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| woglinde | with kernel 2.6.29 from moblin | 00:00 |
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| Stskeeps | jebba: but it's all flushed out now | 00:00 |
| Chiku | does adblock is for meamo basic browser? | 00:00 |
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| Chiku | I 'installed adblock and I don't it anywhere | 00:00 |
| jebba | odin_: I can use ftp on the SDK box. I don't have ftp client in the scratchbox, but i dont know why offhand it wouldn't work. Just exit the scratchbox if it's not working within it (not a NAT issue) | 00:01 |
| jebba | Stskeeps: as of when? the posts keep coming. | 00:01 |
| odin_ | jebba, works outside (which will do me), from inside I use "wget" that works ftp:// schems | 00:01 |
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| jebba | no clue why it doesnt work within scratchbox | 00:02 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: where? i don't see any new ones | 00:02 |
| jebba | thought i saw some on talk.mo but maybe i'm just lagging. | 00:02 |
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| Stskeeps | jebba: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html#t2010-01-19T20:06:07 it started at, X-Fade picked it up immediately, fixed it | 00:04 |
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| Chiku | someone installed adblock? | 00:06 |
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| wolf^ | Chiku, yes, it does work, but it's hard to configure | 00:09 |
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| Chiku | where is adblock after installation? | 00:09 |
| wolf^ | don't know/don't care | 00:10 |
| wolf^ | you can try to copy your adblock configuration from pc to n900 | 00:10 |
| wolf^ | look into /home/user/.mozilla/microb | 00:10 |
| wolf^ | works for me | 00:10 |
| odin_ | Chiku, you mean how do you configure it/remove it ? I have this same issue with "Load Applet" | 00:10 |
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| __ibz | hi, does anyone know the differences between the various image variants? usa vs middle east & north africa vs global? | 00:10 |
| odin_ | language, legal, radio frequence capability/requirement differences ? (would be by guess) | 00:11 |
| Shrik3 | keyboard layout? | 00:12 |
| __ibz | odin_: ok, so if you have a us device, but using it in europe, you would use global not usa? | 00:12 |
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| * Arkenoi impressed people today with ussd widget: see, this thing is just a couple of scripts and a few mniutes to set up, can you do that on wm, android, or, haha, iphone? | 00:12 | |
| odin_ | __ibz, well I would also guess different specific versions of hardware are also shipped to different parts of the world too | 00:12 |
| odin_ | __ibz, not just visible keyboard layout changes, other things might be different | 00:13 |
| ShadowJK | arkenoi: this is why I like maemo :) | 00:13 |
| Shrik3 | Arkenoi: united studios of self defence widget or what?-) | 00:13 |
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| __ibz | hmmmn, so what image *should* i use, there is no guidance on the tablets-dev.nokia.com webpage.. | 00:14 |
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| Chiku | wolf^, does mean this file patterns.ini ? | 00:14 |
| thomaz | __ibz, i reflashed mine with the global image, seems ok so far | 00:14 |
| wolf^ | Chiku, yes, that one | 00:15 |
| odin_ | __ibz, I would hope is there are real hardware difference, the flasher will refused to flash something that plainly won't work.. but that is a hope! | 00:15 |
| Chiku | ok I will try it | 00:15 |
| Arkenoi | Shrik3, a simple script that requests account balance from cellular operator and shows the result in a small widget | 00:15 |
| Shrik3 | ah | 00:15 |
| odin_ | Shrik3, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unstructured_Supplementary_Service_Data | 00:15 |
| __ibz | i'm going to try global first...thanks odin_, thomaz | 00:16 |
| odin_ | you know the "phone" bit of the device, that you would have expected Nokia to be shit hot on | 00:16 |
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| odin_ | but instead support for things every other phone has may never by part of the N900 | 00:16 |
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| Arkenoi | well, we already have MMS (though a bit tricky to set up) and USSD (not well-integrated), what else do we miss? voice dial? | 00:17 |
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| __ibz | odin_: are you saying maemo will never mature as a phone OS, or that by the time it does, n900 will likely not be supported (e.g maemo 6)? | 00:18 |
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| Arkenoi | i think PR1.2 will be good enough for a phone OS | 00:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, hmm? | 00:19 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: nm | 00:21 |
| Stskeeps | just messing about with a intel graphics device so | 00:21 |
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| Chiku | about repository is I added devel so I don't need testing right? | 00:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | __ibz: fwiw, i work at nokia and don't know anything about the different images | 00:31 |
| timeless_mbp | we didn't really know they existed | 00:31 |
| pronto | i'm having trouble getting fMMS working, i set MMSC to http://mmsc.cingular.com (i have at&t) , but it'll say failed to download message | 00:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | __ibz: note that an n900 _must_ be able to operate anywhere in the world | 00:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | so whatever the differences are, they can't be too interesting :) | 00:36 |
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| Stskeeps | jebba: http://communitizer.blogspot.com/2010/01/backwards-compatibility-broken-pr11-sdk.html re discussions , it refers to it | 00:36 |
| xorAxAx | pronto: maybe you have to configure another APN | 00:36 |
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| jebba | Stskeeps: dude on maemo-devel is still reporting repo errors | 00:39 |
| jebba | in this case .gz related, not gpg | 00:39 |
| jebba | http://pastebin.ca/1757618 | 00:40 |
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| adalal | how do you play m4b file? | 00:43 |
| xorAxAx | with mediabox? :) | 00:43 |
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| jebba | Stskeeps: i'm getting: "W: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG E40DC434616730BD maemo.org Extras repositories (Fremantle Extras) <repositories@maemo.org>" | 00:46 |
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| xorAxAx | yes, i am seeing invalid signatures as well | 00:46 |
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| Chiku | how to copy paste on x termical ? | 00:48 |
| Chiku | oh top menu | 00:48 |
| jebba | xorAxAx: any clue why? Is your error exactly the same as mine? | 00:49 |
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| jebba | X-Fade ? ^^ | 00:50 |
| xorAxAx | jebba: yes, same error. well, invalid signatures :) | 00:50 |
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| jebba | xorAxAx: same BADSIG? If different, can you paste it? | 00:51 |
| jebba | i'm submitting to bugzilla | 00:51 |
| xorAxAx | yes, the same | 00:52 |
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| pronto | heh, when i confugure the at&t internet to use a proxy fmms works, but sites don't load right, there needs to be a way to only use the at&t proxy for fMMS | 00:55 |
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| * jebba waiting for headers man, it's still going on. | 00:55 | |
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| krasatos | hi there, i got a lil question about the fm transmitter on n900 if any1's willing to help: im in a country where it's disabled, so i downloaded this app to enable the transmiter and now i can access it through the settings menu, still there is no option in the media player to route the audio to the fm transmitter... any ideas? | 00:58 |
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| Cas07 | hmmm tea and keyboard not playing nice tonight! | 01:07 |
| timeless_mbp | krasatos: eh | 01:07 |
| timeless_mbp | what do you mean a country where the fm transmitter is disabled? | 01:07 |
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| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: probably legal regulations prohibit private FM transmittors? | 01:09 |
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| krasatos | the fm transmitter of the n900 is disabled in some countries | 01:11 |
| timeless_mbp | krasatos: open settings>fm transmitter | 01:11 |
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| krasatos | depending on the imei of the device | 01:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | krasatos: is it actually disabled? | 01:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | because that's nuts | 01:12 |
| krasatos | ie Greek phones come with the fm transmitters of the device | 01:12 |
| AOK-N | dddd | 01:12 |
| __ibz | timeless_mbp: thanks | 01:12 |
| krasatos | there is a hack to enable it | 01:12 |
| krasatos | lemme fetch a link | 01:12 |
| * GeneralAntilles finally got most of the way through his -community backlog. | 01:12 | |
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| xorAxAx | its in the repo, the hack | 01:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Just need to finish reading that monster Brainstorm usefulness thread. | 01:13 |
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| krasatos | yeh, it's this app "fmtx-faker" | 01:13 |
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| krasatos | thing is, although the transmiter is now working, at least i can access it's settings, | 01:13 |
| xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: you didnt know that? :) | 01:13 |
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| krasatos | it;s not available to select as output on the maemo's built in media player | 01:13 |
| Chiku | wolf^, adblock doens"t block ads like on my pc | 01:14 |
| Chiku | i use same patterns.ini | 01:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: they don't tell us about every stupid thing that goes around in their heads | 01:14 |
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| krasatos | i can select it as output from this mediabox player (havent't tested if it's working yet) but i can select it | 01:15 |
| krasatos | there's no option in the default media player | 01:15 |
| * timeless_mbp frowns | 01:15 | |
| krasatos | that's why im asking for clues :( | 01:15 |
| * timeless_mbp kicks krasatos | 01:15 | |
| timeless_mbp | let's try this again. | 01:15 |
| xorAxAx | krasatos: there is a simple-fmtx widget | 01:15 |
| timeless_mbp | did you open Settings? | 01:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | did you check the checkbox? | 01:15 |
| xorAxAx | krasatos: that lets you enable the tx via the desktop | 01:15 |
| wolf^ | Chiku, try opening xterm and execute "killall -9 browser browserd" | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, I think you should request some stream-of-consciousness microblogging. | 01:15 |
| timeless_mbp | did you select a frequency? | 01:15 |
| wolf^ | ChanServ, preferably as root | 01:15 |
| wolf^ | Chiku, this should reload browser (and adblock) | 01:15 |
| nomis | Hum. hildon.WizardDialog for some reason messes with the title of the dialog when switching pages. It suddenly showed "Welcome" that I did not specify anywhere. | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | wolf^, restart browser may be a better option. | 01:16 |
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| krasatos | timeless_mbp: yes, but the last step is to start playing a song and then have the media player to output it to the fm transmitter right? | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or whatever the hell the upstart recipe is. | 01:16 |
| Chiku | wolf^, I even reboot it | 01:16 |
| timeless_mbp | krasatos: yes | 01:17 |
| timeless_mbp | err no | 01:17 |
| timeless_mbp | last step is to plug in headphones | 01:17 |
| wolf^ | Chiku, which adblock are you using (how have you installed it)? | 01:17 |
| timeless_mbp | and *then* turn on the media player | 01:17 |
| Chiku | yes | 01:17 |
| krasatos | ow, | 01:17 |
| krasatos | lemme check ;) | 01:17 |
| timeless_mbp | if you don't plug in headphones, you don't have an antenna | 01:17 |
| timeless_mbp | if you don't have an antenna, well.. you can't transimt | 01:17 |
| timeless_mbp | s/imt/mit/ | 01:17 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: if you don't have an antenna, well.. you can't transmit | 01:17 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: users suck | 01:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, erm, actually, doesn't plugging in headphones DISABLE the transmitter? | 01:18 |
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| Chiku | adblock plus 1maemo0-8 | 01:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, receiver requires headphones. | 01:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | The transmitter doesn't. | 01:18 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: from memory, no | 01:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Maybe it just lowers the output power when headphones are plugged in. | 01:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | (disproportionately, so you're likely to get a lower quality signal) | 01:19 |
| krasatos | generalantilles ure right, it wont let me launch the transmitter with anything pluged in the jack slot, headphones or av output cable | 01:19 |
| Chiku | lol, I'm reading description "... Will requirea reboot or two after installation before it will work" | 01:19 |
| timeless_mbp | oops | 01:19 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry :) | 01:19 |
| * timeless_mbp doesn't really use the transmitter | 01:19 | |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, you suck. :P | 01:19 |
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| wolf^ | Chiku, see http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/adblock-plus-1.0/ | 01:20 |
| wolf^ | Chiku, seems there are some problems (but with workarounds) | 01:20 |
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| krasatos | hmm... ok, if i enable the transmitter first from the settings menu, then run the media player it routes the sound to the transmitter, it's working | 01:21 |
| wolf^ | Chiku, I have adblock 1.1.1, not from extras, which works better | 01:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, stupid question | 01:21 |
| timeless_mbp | how does one test the fm radio? | 01:21 |
| odin_ | __ibz, I'm saying its been commented on my representatives as Nokia that for the N900 at least certain phone functions (which usually have UI) may never be provided | 01:21 |
| Chiku | where did you got this version? | 01:21 |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, send or receive? | 01:22 |
| timeless_mbp | send :) | 01:22 |
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| * timeless_mbp can't figure out how to use the fm radio on this stereo system | 01:22 | |
| w00t | is there a safe way to restart X without restarting the whole device (over ssh)? I've managed to horribly confuse the application menu in interesting ways | 01:22 |
| krasatos | i just thought that i could enable it after runing the media player and then tapping on the top of the screen and selecting transmitter (saw the option in a youtube vid, had the playlist buttons+ a fm transmitter option) mine doesnt, but it seems to wokr the other way around | 01:22 |
| krasatos | i can leave with it | 01:22 |
| krasatos | live* | 01:23 |
| krasatos | thanx guys, nn+cu round | 01:23 |
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| AOK-N | hmmm | 01:23 |
| odin_ | ah I see why the gzip/akamai talk earliar in channel; to do with current repo errors | 01:24 |
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| * w00t tries to restart it anywaty | 01:24 | |
| timeless_mbp | hey! | 01:24 |
| timeless_mbp | i could test using my n800! | 01:24 |
| wolf^ | Chiku, http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/12/ | 01:25 |
| wolf^ | Chiku, remember to uninstall old adblock first | 01:25 |
| krasatos | hm, thought of another question :).... how do i add msn messenger support to the built in IM thingy? | 01:25 |
| Chiku | thx wolf^ | 01:25 |
| timeless_mbp | wow | 01:25 |
| w00t | hooray | 01:26 |
| * timeless_mbp didn't realize that browser.garage still published news | 01:26 | |
| w00t | restarting hildon-desktop fixed it | 01:26 |
| w00t | though I do wonder why, if the init.d script can stop and start it, why it can't just restart it | 01:26 |
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| w00t | though it is of little consequence | 01:27 |
| timeless_mbp | krasatos: it's in extras | 01:27 |
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| krasatos | any hint on the name so i can search for it? | 01:28 |
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| krasatos | timeless_mbp | 01:28 |
| timeless_mbp | msn protocol plugin for Conversations and Contacts | 01:28 |
| krasatos | thanx timeless | 01:29 |
| timeless_mbp | krasatos: so | 01:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | the fm radio icon in the status area... | 01:29 |
| timeless_mbp | just tells you that you're broadcasting | 01:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | the item in the menu lets you change the settings | 01:29 |
| timeless_mbp | remember that the broadcast range for the fm radio is incredibly small | 01:29 |
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| krasatos | timeless_mbp: mate, when in the "now playing" screen when u tap on the top part, do u get a fm transmitter option? | 01:31 |
| javispedro | the official fmtx middleware _disables_ the tx when headphones are connected | 01:31 |
| timeless_mbp | krasatos: yes | 01:31 |
| krasatos | i dont get one :( | 01:31 |
| timeless_mbp | do you really not get one? | 01:31 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: The FM transmitter runs from a transmit antenna loop that is integrated into the case, and connected by a little spring connector | 01:32 |
| * timeless_mbp frowns | 01:32 | |
| krasatos | yep | 01:32 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: interesting | 01:32 |
| timeless_mbp | krasatos: gah, | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: see the hardware hacking page in the n900_hardware category for the l3/l4 manual | 01:32 |
| krasatos | i only get "Clear current playlist" and "Save playlist" timeless_mbp | 01:32 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: no thanks | 01:32 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 01:33 | |
| SpeedEvil | Also - one way of checking the tx is to measure teh current consumption - but that won't work reliably with the internal sensor - as it's only a 19mA jump | 01:33 |
| uhsf | new Sony VAIO Z is gonna be so powerful but I'm so poor I can't buy laptops | 01:34 |
| w00t | uhsf: info? | 01:35 |
| * w00t is a sony lover | 01:35 | |
| xorAxAx | thinkpads are the better sony | 01:35 |
| krasatos | is there some way to keep incoming messages and missed calls notifications visible in the desktops? | 01:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | krasatos: can you visit a country which doesn't have this rule and then file a bug? | 01:35 |
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| xorAxAx | :-) | 01:36 |
| krasatos | well. i think its working anyway if i enable the transmitter before i run the media app, so i dont think i'll bother | 01:36 |
| timeless_mbp | because if it doesn't work properly when you're in another country, it's buggy | 01:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | ebay | 01:37 |
| krasatos | maybe in an update of the media playeer it'll be fixed | 01:37 |
| timeless_mbp | krasatos: which software are you running? | 01:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | 42-11/44-1/51-1/ ? | 01:38 |
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| krasatos | i update the latest update available | 01:38 |
| krasatos | 5.1? | 01:38 |
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| Chiku | wolf^, when microb need restart, when I tap on restart it won't | 01:39 |
| krasatos | yo timeless... how can i check my contacts? how can i see who's online? | 01:40 |
| timeless_mbp | just open addressbook, tap the title, tap the third tab | 01:40 |
| Chiku | and if I closed microb, when I launch it, I don't see adblock in extension list :( | 01:40 |
| w00t | open contacts, click the title area | 01:40 |
| w00t | timeless_mbp as ever, is faster :-) | 01:40 |
| timeless_mbp | krasatos: which language is your device using? | 01:41 |
| timeless_mbp | iirc we don't offer greek | 01:41 |
| krasatos | i am Greek, but i use the phone in english | 01:41 |
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| wolf^ | Chiku, just open the x terminal and execute kill -9 ... command | 01:41 |
| krasatos | thanx for the tip btw, it would take me a while to find it out ;) | 01:42 |
| pupnik | ssh + mplayer helps locate device | 01:43 |
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| krasatos | gnite guys, thanx for all the help ;) | 01:43 |
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| javispedro | ... specially if you output audio with media.role == "game" which bypasses most volume controls | 01:43 |
| javispedro | and thus you get a loud _bang_ from the speakers | 01:43 |
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| pupnik | didn't try that | 01:44 |
| AOK | fre | 01:44 |
| pupnik | it disables xprot? | 01:44 |
| pupnik | @ javispedro | 01:44 |
| AOK | Soo I have a big problem | 01:44 |
| AOK | I have installed | 01:44 |
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| javispedro | nope, just uses max volume no matter what | 01:44 |
| javispedro | even with headphones connected | 01:44 |
| javispedro | (it's a bug, I filed it) | 01:44 |
| AOK | Beah SSh | 01:44 |
| AOK | the client | 01:45 |
| AOK | I want to install HAMACHI | 01:45 |
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| AOK | http://logmeinwiki.com/wiki/Hamachi:Install_on_Nokia_N800 | 01:45 |
| AOK | The problem is | 01:45 |
| pupnik | ok do not try to move vmware-player to a new system. reinstall instead. | 01:45 |
| AOK | Install dropbear SSH | 01:45 |
| AOK | In xterm, do a dbclient root@127.1 with password "rootme" (if rootme doesn't work, update your Nokia software to the latest version, at least the 3/2007 version. | 01:45 |
| AOK | Now here is where it asks for password | 01:45 |
| AOK | and gainroot is not working | 01:46 |
| AOK | neither is rootme | 01:46 |
| AOK | on my N900 | 01:46 |
| SpeedEvil | type root | 01:46 |
| SpeedEvil | what happens | 01:46 |
| AOK | I have of course ran it under give me a sec | 01:46 |
| SpeedEvil | you have installed the roothsh pachage? | 01:46 |
| SpeedEvil | rootsh | 01:46 |
| AOK | restarting | 01:46 |
| woglinde | aok using old outdate compiled binary stuff is crap | 01:46 |
| AOK | well I know | 01:46 |
| woglinde | get the source code and make a fine package out of it | 01:46 |
| AOK | I am too noob | 01:47 |
| AOK | :-( | 01:47 |
| woglinde | we all were noobs | 01:47 |
| woglinde | try hard to get better | 01:47 |
| AOK | for repacking | 01:47 |
| Cas07 | nice slogan "we all were noobs" :D | 01:48 |
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| woglinde | *g* | 01:48 |
| Cas07 | oh noz my enter and backspace key have suffered from tea attack!! | 01:48 |
| AOK | neither | 01:48 |
| AOK | "root" nor "rootsh" works | 01:49 |
| woglinde | apt-get install rootsh | 01:49 |
| woglinde | sudo gainroot | 01:49 |
| AOK | ye ye ye | 01:49 |
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| AOK | did that ;-) | 01:49 |
| woglinde | enable extras | 01:49 |
| woglinde | in programmanger | 01:49 |
| AOK | as I said prior to runnung the dbclient | 01:49 |
| AOK | I got the root access | 01:49 |
| pupnik | javispedro: do you plan to pursue the rendering in .25 or does it look like a bad path? | 01:50 |
| AOK | but then I have the # sign | 01:50 |
| AOK | ;-) | 01:50 |
| javispedro | pupnik: you mean the hildon scaling stuff? | 01:51 |
| pupnik | yes | 01:51 |
| javispedro | i am trying to encapsulate it | 01:51 |
| javispedro | just now trying to decide how... | 01:51 |
| pupnik | i don't understand | 01:51 |
| javispedro | basically, you need to render your stuff to a window not managed by sdl | 01:51 |
| pupnik | ah | 01:51 |
| pupnik | gtk-pixbuf or smth? | 01:52 |
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| javispedro | then send some commands to the window manager indicating rotation, scale, etc. | 01:52 |
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| javispedro | I currently use a plain x window on drnok | 01:52 |
| Mohan | I was trying to update to the latest 2.2009-51 version from win 7 and software update failed | 01:52 |
| javispedro | and of course it looks a bit ugly to have all the sdl code and THEN some xlib code | 01:52 |
| timeless_mbp | is ham capable of handling *any* conflicts? | 01:52 |
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| Mohan | now my n900 is bricked, I've read the docs for flashing using the flasher utility and the bin image file. | 01:53 |
| javispedro | pupnik: my current plan is to wrap this into a set of SDL_CreateActor / SDL_FreeActor functions that hide that from you and give you a surface to render to | 01:53 |
| javispedro | s/surface/SDL_Surface | 01:53 |
| javispedro | but that may still mean some mods to games.. | 01:54 |
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| Mohan | when I connect the device in a linux mahcine and hold the U key for a while I see that nokia usb rom connected and followed by usb disconnected | 01:54 |
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| pupnik | javispedro: that is GREAT | 01:55 |
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| Mohan | http://pastebin.com/m6debb9 | 01:55 |
| Mohan | can someone help me here to figure out whats the issue. | 01:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | anyone here willing to test something for me? | 01:56 |
| ml-mobile | hmm | 01:56 |
| pupnik | the advantages for sdk in a vm are serious. i should have run with that from the beginning | 01:56 |
| pronto | timeless_mbp: depends | 01:56 |
| ml-mobile | there | 01:56 |
| timeless_mbp | pronto: http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/bugs-maemo-8288/test.install | 01:57 |
| pronto | what do you want tested | 01:57 |
| ml-mobile | all of freenode is locked to unregistered users eh? | 01:57 |
| javispedro | uh oh, updated libc in lenny | 01:57 |
| * javispedro panics | 01:57 | |
| timeless_mbp | add the repo, install the package, go to app/manager | 01:57 |
| timeless_mbp | tap the title area, choose restore | 01:57 |
| timeless_mbp | tap restore | 01:57 |
| pronto | timeless_mbp: what is it? | 01:57 |
| Chiku | someone else already install adblock? | 01:57 |
| timeless_mbp | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8288 | 01:57 |
| povbot` | Bug 8288: application manager restore shouldn't list packages that will lose a replaces-conflicts contest with the current system | 01:57 |
| Mohan | Is this the room to ask support for n900 flashing ? | 01:58 |
| javispedro | povbot: pin | 01:58 |
| Chiku | that's making me creazy | 01:58 |
| javispedro | povbot: ping | 01:58 |
| javispedro | povbot`: ping | 01:58 |
| povbot` | pong | 01:58 |
| javispedro | heh. | 01:58 |
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| pronto | timeless_mbp: added | 01:59 |
| pronto | wella dding | 01:59 |
| Mohan | javispedro: I've got my n900 bricked. I'm trying to reflash it but i dont see the usb logo screen as mentioned in the document | 01:59 |
| pronto | timeless_mbp: added now | 01:59 |
| GAN900 | Mohan, the USB cable must be connected. | 02:00 |
| Mohan | http://pastebin.com/m6debb9 | 02:00 |
| timeless_mbp | pronto: roughly, this is trying to fast track you through the steps in the bug | 02:00 |
| timeless_mbp | you're at around step 15 | 02:00 |
| pronto | heh | 02:00 |
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| pronto | "1 app sucessfully installed" | 02:00 |
| Mohan | thats a tail of /var/log/messages when I hold the u key and connect the usb cable | 02:00 |
| odin_ | can the "devtools" repo be optified? "deb http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools free non-free" ? | 02:01 |
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| Mohan | GAN900: It is kept connected. As of now all i see is the black nokia text and when connected to power cable it shows yellow light for few seconds | 02:02 |
| timeless_mbp | pronto: tap the title area, select restore... | 02:02 |
| javispedro | oh, Nokia fixed something in SDL which I was workarounding in drnok :) | 02:02 |
| pronto | thats greyed out | 02:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: which is? | 02:03 |
| pronto | "Restore applications" that is | 02:03 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 02:03 | |
| timeless_mbp | open xterm | 02:03 |
| Mohan | so many people around, but its a shame no one is willing to help a small issue. | 02:03 |
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| xorAxAx | Mohan: and your flasher doesnt recognize the device? | 02:04 |
| timeless_mbp | cat .hildon-application-manager/packages.backup | 02:04 |
| Mohan | Unable to enumerate USB buses!, flasher quits saying this | 02:04 |
| timeless_mbp | Mohan: are you su? | 02:04 |
| javispedro | Mohan: distro? | 02:04 |
| Mohan | opensuse11.2 | 02:05 |
| mikhas | your device needs to be off, not some black nokia text or such | 02:05 |
| Mohan | I am running it as root. | 02:05 |
| pronto | there is no "packages.backup" under that dir | 02:05 |
| pupnik | one, two, buckle my shoe | 02:05 |
| Mohan | It was indeed off. | 02:05 |
| mikhas | completely blank screen? | 02:05 |
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| Mohan | yup | 02:05 |
| jaem_n900 | morning, folks | 02:05 |
| xorAxAx | Mohan: stop fiddling with your device and get the flasher working beforehand | 02:05 |
| mikhas | because it doesnt switch off if it was still connected via usb | 02:05 |
| Mohan | USB disconnect, address 9 | 02:06 |
| xorAxAx | Mohan: it has to say "waiting for device" or something like that | 02:06 |
| javispedro | opensuse11.2 uses /dev/bus/usb and not /proc/bus/usb (though I guess flasher already supports that?) | 02:06 |
| timeless_mbp | pronto: oops | 02:06 |
| * timeless_mbp screwed up | 02:06 | |
| pronto | haha | 02:06 |
| pronto | should i go ahead and uninstall it? | 02:06 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah | 02:06 |
| timeless_mbp | and remove the catalog | 02:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | then try the link again :) | 02:06 |
| Mohan | why does the connected devices disconnects soon? any reason for it. | 02:06 |
| pronto | its "a" right | 02:06 |
| jaem_n900 | I reflashed my N900 with PR1.1, leaving the eMMC intact, and now my Tracker db is borked | 02:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | yep | 02:07 |
| xorAxAx | Mohan: because it doesnt see a flasher | 02:07 |
| timeless_mbp | it installed package 'a' instead of a different package that pulls in package 'b' :) | 02:07 |
| timeless_mbp | pronto: this is why i need a tester :) | 02:07 |
| jaem_n900 | e.g. the media player only sees some files, and their metadata as shown is wrong | 02:07 |
| pronto | lol | 02:07 |
| xorAxAx | jaem_n900: clear it with tracker-processes -r | 02:07 |
| jaem_n900 | xorAxAx, willdo, thanks | 02:07 |
| pronto | timeless_mbp: as long as you doont compeletly brick my phone, i'll test things | 02:07 |
| xorAxAx | jaem_n900: as user | 02:07 |
| timeless_mbp | pronto: yeah, so, remove 'a', remove the catalog, and then try the .install link again | 02:07 |
| pronto | kk | 02:08 |
| Mohan | let me try again. I will remove the battery, for few minutes, put the battery back. run the flasher command. hold the u key and connect the usb cable and keep holding the u key. | 02:08 |
| jaem_n900 | xorAxAx, yes - that looked like it flushed it properly :) | 02:08 |
| Mohan | this should do the job right ? | 02:08 |
| xorAxAx | Mohan: wrong wrong wrong | 02:08 |
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| xorAxAx | Mohan: you get your flasher working until it says waiting for device | 02:08 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 02:08 | |
| xorAxAx | Mohan: did you google for the error message? | 02:09 |
| Mohan | when I run the flasher command i see that it says waiting for the device. | 02:09 |
| timeless_mbp | how do i clear this stupid cache | 02:09 |
| xorAxAx | Mohan: didnt you say it gives you an error message? | 02:09 |
| pronto | timeless_mbp: going again, with that game link | 02:09 |
| xorAxAx | Mohan: please pastebin command line and output on paste.pocoo.org | 02:10 |
| javispedro | marbles is now OSS O.o | 02:10 |
| timeless_mbp | pronto: if it asks you to install 'a', then it's doing the wrong thing | 02:10 |
| timeless_mbp | and i need to flush the cache | 02:10 |
| jaem_n900 | out of curiousity, is there any documentation for the exposed PCB pads under the battery on the N900? I recall there were pictures of Nokia folks using flashing jigs that seemed to connect to some of those | 02:10 |
| timeless_mbp | jaem_n900: we don't document that stuff ;-) | 02:11 |
| cehteh | one is the serial port | 02:11 |
| cehteh | maybe the other is jtag, and maybe usb? | 02:11 |
| Mohan | The error i get is unable to enumerate the usb device. apart from that in the /var/log/messages i see the device found and it gets disconnected. which i have pasted in the paste bin. | 02:11 |
| jaem_n900 | timeless_mbp, cehteh, is there any unofficial info available? | 02:12 |
| pronto | timeless_mbp its asking me install Bug 8288 ,and under "installing" it says to install: b(0.1) | 02:12 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8288 application manager restore shouldn't list packages that will lose a replaces-conflicts contest with the current system | 02:12 |
| xorAxAx | Mohan: Url? | 02:12 |
| jaem_n900 | also, cehteh, what sort of serial port? | 02:12 |
| cehteh | jaem_n900: google :) | 02:12 |
| timeless_mbp | much better :) | 02:12 |
| pronto | and to verify, under uninstall it shows "b" | 02:13 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, now try restore :) | 02:13 |
| pronto | what excatly will it restore? | 02:14 |
| Mohan | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/167333/ | 02:14 |
| timeless_mbp | it'll fail :) | 02:14 |
| AOK | weird | 02:14 |
| timeless_mbp | it's supposed to restore 'a' :) | 02:14 |
| AOK | how am I suppossed to get | 02:14 |
| AOK | vi ~/.hamachi/config | 02:14 |
| AOK | there is no ~ on n900 keyboard | 02:14 |
| jaem_n900 | thanks, all | 02:15 |
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| AOK | ??? | 02:15 |
| pronto | that "that restore applications is still grayed out | 02:15 |
| timeless_mbp | AOK: blue, ctrl, ~, space | 02:15 |
| timeless_mbp | pronto: WAH | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | jaem_n900: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking - if you find out anything | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | meh | 02:15 |
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| xorAxAx | Mohan: ok, now you remove all cables from your n900, press u and while doing so connect the usb cable | 02:16 |
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| xorAxAx | Mohan: before you need to turn off your device | 02:16 |
| pronto | installed that .install you linked, it installed b, checked that menu that says "restore applications" it was greyed out, so i closed and repopened the app manager, its still greyed out | 02:16 |
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| xorAxAx | Mohan: and, does it work? | 02:18 |
| timeless_mbp | pronto: yeah, i need to figure out what's w/ my postinst | 02:19 |
| pronto | kk | 02:20 |
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| pronto | i'll go ahead and uninstall b, and remove that catalog | 02:20 |
| AOK | timeless_mbp: | 02:20 |
| AOK | you mean blue & ctrl and space? | 02:20 |
| AOK | it is not working | 02:21 |
| AOK-N | @ | 02:21 |
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| Mohan | I did exactly that, removed the battery and put it back so just had a black screen. holded the u key and connected the usb cable. | 02:21 |
| timeless_mbp | AOK: blue, ctrl, ~, space | 02:21 |
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| pronto | lol, timeless_mbp "unable to uniinstall 'b' some application packages are needed buy other applcations | 02:21 |
| AOK | still don't understand | 02:21 |
| AOK | PLS can you explain? | 02:21 |
| timeless_mbp | pronto: you need to uninstall 'Bug...' first | 02:22 |
| pronto | oh need to reboge that bug 8288 | 02:22 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8288 application manager restore shouldn't list packages that will lose a replaces-conflicts contest with the current system | 02:22 |
| pronto | yeah just noticed | 02:22 |
| Mohan | started the flasher before connecting the cable, on the second log entry which says new usb device found, the flasher exited saying unable to enumerate usb devices | 02:22 |
| Mohan | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/167337/ | 02:22 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry, i should have it right the next time | 02:22 |
| * timeless_mbp just hasn't built a postinst from scratch in a while | 02:22 | |
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| AOK-N | ~ | 02:22 |
| AOK | Cool timeless_mbp | 02:22 |
| AOK | got it | 02:22 |
| AOK | :-) | 02:23 |
| xorAxAx | Mohan: hmm, no idea | 02:23 |
| xorAxAx | Mohan: thats a nokia proprietary closed source product, ask a nokia guy :) | 02:23 |
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| Mohan | I've checked it twice and it happened exactly what i said. | 02:24 |
| timeless_mbp | Mohan: most nokians sleep before 2am | 02:24 |
| pupnik | 'usb disconnect' | 02:24 |
| timeless_mbp | ask nokians during business hours | 02:24 |
| pronto | wait how did you get that ~ what do you mean by blue? | 02:24 |
| timeless_mbp | pronto: look at the keyboard | 02:25 |
| timeless_mbp | only one key is just blue. | 02:25 |
| pronto | oh that arrow? | 02:25 |
| AOK | OK next weird step: | 02:25 |
| AOK | vi ~/.hamachi/config | 02:25 |
| AOK | KeepAlive 20 | 02:25 |
| AOK | <press enter> | 02:25 |
| AOK | <press "Back" button on device> | 02:25 |
| AOK | :wq | 02:25 |
| pupnik | Mohan: i suspect something wrong on host system or cable | 02:25 |
| Mohan | I'm using a dell laptop for the process wonder would this has something to do with that. (i.e the way usb devices are organised) | 02:25 |
| AOK | vi ~/.hamachi/config | 02:25 |
| AOK | opens the vi | 02:25 |
| timeless_mbp | Mohan: @nokia we use dells, ibms, and hps mostly | 02:26 |
| pupnik | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=maemo+flashing+%22unable+to+enumerate+usb+buses!%22 | 02:27 |
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| Mohan | mount -t usbfs none /proc/bus/usb | 02:27 |
| Mohan | I did run that command before that second attempt. | 02:27 |
| AOK | I can't write anything? | 02:28 |
| AOK | does anyone happen to know why? | 02:28 |
| AOK | any idea why> | 02:28 |
| odin_ | power down of 55-1 looks more organised/better, but a fullscreen message / progress bar (would be better than the initial 3 seconds of all desktops merged on top of each other, like spaghetti) | 02:28 |
| odin_ | timeless_mbp, I've installed 'crash-reporter_1.27+0m5_armel.deb' and now I see 'Segmentation fault (core dumped)' instead of just 'Segmentation fault' but I can't actually locate any "core*" files | 02:30 |
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| odin_ | documentation points to /home/user/MyDocs/core-dumps/ but currently empty (after I make a few 'Segmentation fault (core dumped)' happen with OS default s/w) | 02:31 |
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| Mohan | let me try in ubuntu and see how it goes. | 02:34 |
| timeless_mbp | odin_: crash-reporter collects them | 02:35 |
| timeless_mbp | open settings>crash reporter | 02:35 |
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| odin_ | timeless_mbp, all the ticks in all the boxes I'd expect (the default settings) the collection area is /home/user/MyDocs/core-dumps/ according to http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/sp-rich-core but as yet not gotten it to create one, maybe I compile up the example ./crasher binary and start with that "memset(NULL, 0, 4);" | 02:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | odin_: if you choose "Send all", what happens? | 02:38 |
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| odin_ | timeless_mbp, yep is says it has 1 stored report :) | 02:38 |
| timeless_mbp | it should tell you what it is.. | 02:39 |
| odin_ | yep from the binary that is crashing | 02:39 |
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| ShadowJK | does send all resend old stuff? | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm yummy. Pink breathing light, with a much better rhythm | 02:40 |
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| AOK | how to get out of VI? | 02:41 |
| AOK | Guys pls help | 02:41 |
| ShadowJK | esc :q | 02:41 |
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| AOK | which button is escape on n900? | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | might tweak a lil more to get a veritable heartbeat | 02:41 |
| SpeedEvil | esc ZZ is clearly better | 02:41 |
| SpeedEvil | ZZ is easy to press | 02:41 |
| AOK | what is esc on N900? | 02:41 |
| timeless_mbp | pronto: one more try? | 02:42 |
| pronto | sure give me a second | 02:43 |
| pronto | same link? | 02:43 |
| lardman|home | AOK: onscreen kb | 02:43 |
| timeless_mbp | yep | 02:43 |
| lardman|home | AOK: or rather the shortcut bar at the bottom of xterm | 02:43 |
| odin_ | it knows there has been a crash but I'm trying to get access to the data (the core) | 02:44 |
| pronto | installing ^^ | 02:45 |
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| pronto | installed, "b" and that "bug...." but restore applicatons is still greyed out , when i restarted the application manager, the "restore applications" is clickable | 02:47 |
| pronto | after clicking restore, it wants me to install "a" | 02:49 |
| pronto | timeless_mbp: ^^ | 02:49 |
| pronto | and then it says "unable to install "a" conflicting application packages" | 02:50 |
| pronto | conflicts with "b" | 02:50 |
| timeless_mbp | victory! | 02:50 |
| pronto | :D | 02:50 |
| AOK | A new one | 02:50 |
| AOK | error while loading shared libraires: libcrypto.so.0.9.7: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory | 02:50 |
| AOK | is there by defaul any such library on the phone? | 02:50 |
| timeless_mbp | AOK: who wants libcrypto 097? | 02:50 |
| AOK | hamachi ;-) | 02:51 |
| timeless_mbp | people probably use 098.. | 02:51 |
| AOK | that old hamachi ;-) | 02:51 |
| odin_ | yes OpenSSL is part of the base platform /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8 /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.8 | 02:51 |
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| AOK | great | 02:51 |
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| woglinde | try ln -s /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8 /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.7 | 02:51 |
| AOK | so how am I now going to say to hamachi to use the newer version | 02:51 |
| AOK | OK woglinde | 02:52 |
| AOK | thanks | 02:52 |
| odin_ | woglinde, lol | 02:52 |
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| AOK | that will add a shortcut to that file right with the different name? | 02:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: you can now trash those packages :) | 02:53 |
| odin_ | if you can obtain a 0.9.7 build of openssl you can put the libcrypto.so.0.9.7 in the same dir as the binary (and then use envvar settings to make it load) | 02:53 |
| pronto | already done | 02:54 |
| woglinde | odin old trick | 02:54 |
| woglinde | sometimes work | 02:54 |
| odin_ | ld.so(8) search for LD_PRELOAD and LD_LIBRARY_PATH | 02:54 |
| woglinde | if api didnt change this bad | 02:54 |
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| pronto | timeless_mbp: if you ever need anything else tested, as long as it wont brick my device i'll be happy to test | 02:54 |
| timeless_mbp | pronto: thanks :) | 02:55 |
| AOK | nope didin't worked | 02:55 |
| odin_ | the API did change, just because it runs means the symbols did not change (which is probably true for using a newer version as older) but the strcture sizes may also have changed, in which case random crashes for you | 02:55 |
| AOK | where am I going to find openssl 0.9.7? :-( | 02:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | AOK: you won't | 02:56 |
| AOK | openssl-0.9.7-1.i386 | 02:56 |
| AOK | that the best I found :-( | 02:56 |
| woglinde | the link trick didnt work? | 02:56 |
| AOK | nope | 02:56 |
| woglinde | whats the error now? | 02:56 |
| timeless_mbp | why not rebuild against 098? | 02:56 |
| woglinde | no source code | 02:56 |
| woglinde | its payware crap | 02:56 |
| AOK | woglinde: the same | 02:57 |
| woglinde | aok ????? | 02:57 |
| woglinde | aok whats ldd hamachi-bin says? | 02:57 |
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| odin_ | "apt-cache showpkg openssl" does not show a 0.9.7 release for fremantle, will a previous version (from maemo4 etc..) work on you device (which is ? N900?) | 02:58 |
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| pronto | has anyone seen that "BirdFlew" guy that was working on an app that'll track your device if it's lost? | 03:00 |
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| AOK | http://files.hamachi.cc/linux/nokia-770/ | 03:01 |
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| AOK | :-( | 03:02 |
| odin_ | AOK, what is your device ? | 03:02 |
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| AOK | N900 | 03:02 |
| AOK | that is what I am telling you | 03:02 |
| AOK | I am trying to install it on N900 | 03:02 |
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| AOK | and as you can see from the name it is ment for 770 | 03:02 |
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| odin_ | is libcrypto the _ONLY_ library missing? from "ldd" output? | 03:03 |
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| AOK | perhaps | 03:03 |
| AOK | Don't know | 03:03 |
| odin_ | well run "ldd /path/binary" | 03:03 |
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| AOK | nice | 03:04 |
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| AOK | libcrypto not found | 03:04 |
| AOK | on three others there isare some addresses | 03:04 |
| odin_ | so that all you need? | 03:04 |
| AOK | which might mean that this is the only thing I need | 03:05 |
| AOK | ;-) | 03:05 |
| AOK | yep | 03:05 |
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| AOK | any ideas? | 03:06 |
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| pupnik | it is nice to make a local cache of your debs, for when you get broken apt download | 03:08 |
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| AOK | apt-get install libssl0.9.7 | 03:10 |
| AOK | so I tried this | 03:10 |
| AOK | but | 03:10 |
| timeless_mbp | pupnik: nah, jebba 's solves that | 03:10 |
| AOK | package libssl0.9.7 is not available but is reffered to another package | 03:11 |
| AOK | :-( | 03:11 |
| AOK | guys PLS help me on this one :-) | 03:12 |
| AOK | http://packages.debian.org/etch/libssl0.9.7 | 03:12 |
| odin_ | AOK be patient... | 03:12 |
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| AOK | http://packages.debian.org/etch/arm/libssl0.9.7/download | 03:13 |
| AOK | OK | 03:13 |
| woglinde | ldd should foound it now | 03:13 |
| AOK | :-) | 03:13 |
| woglinde | or you made the link wrong | 03:13 |
| AOK | nope | 03:13 |
| AOK | ok will try again | 03:13 |
| odin_ | AOK try http://www.darrylmiles.org/temp/maemo/libcrypto.so.0.9.7 | 03:13 |
| woglinde | whats /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.7 now poiting too? | 03:14 |
| odin_ | courtesy of the j.e.b.b.a. scratchbox | 03:14 |
| woglinde | odin *g* | 03:14 |
| AOK | so if I try to do the ln again | 03:14 |
| AOK | it says it exists | 03:14 |
| AOK | but | 03:14 |
| woglinde | ls -la /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.7 | 03:14 |
| AOK | ldd and execution of hamachi don't find it | 03:15 |
| odin_ | put it in the same dir as the binary.. run binary like: "LD_PRELOAD=/path/libcrypto.so.0.9.7 /path/hamachi" | 03:15 |
| xorAxAx | hail pulseaudio | 03:16 |
| xorAxAx | 785 pulse 12 -8 83112 3956 2120 S 0.0 1.6 9:16.84 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --system --high-priority | 03:16 |
| odin_ | try "LD_PRELOAD=/path/libcrypto.so.0.9.7 ldd /path/hamachi" | 03:16 |
| AOK | woglinde: no file found | 03:16 |
| xorAxAx | WTH does it need 83 MB VIRT | 03:16 |
| AOK | what did I do wrong? | 03:16 |
| odin_ | you need to "ldconfig" if you installed in a system path (which I do not advise) | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | has anybody found out about LED_patterns madness yet? the chip has E engines and NO mux to assign LEDs to particular engines. The assumption engine3 is for kbd is totally screwed | 03:17 |
| AOK | is usr/bin system path in linux? | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | s/E/3/ | 03:18 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer51 meant: has anybody found out about L3D_patterns madness yet? the chip has E engines and NO mux to assign LEDs to particular engines. The assumption engine3 is for kbd is totally screwed | 03:18 |
| odin_ | ^^ heh | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | fsck | 03:18 |
| xorAxAx | LSD? :) | 03:19 |
| AOK | LDD_PRELOAD did not workd | 03:19 |
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| AOK | finNOT FOUND | 03:19 |
| AOK | NOT FOUND | 03:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | omg. my poor mind is going apeshit on that LED driver | 03:20 |
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| odin_ | AOK, what is the path to your executable and your library ? /opt/far/far/away/hamachi ? | 03:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | nota bene I *love* LP5521. Just what those creeps made of it is.... dunno the right word | 03:21 |
| odin_ | AOK, do DSOs need to be marked executable, i.e. chmod a+x libcrypto.so.0.9.7 ? | 03:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | not afaik | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | i know nuttin tho | 03:23 |
| nomis | mhm, the Progress bar in the Hildon.Note widget apparently is no longer working? | 03:24 |
| woglinde | odin_ nope | 03:25 |
| woglinde | why? | 03:25 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 03:25 | |
| * timeless_mbp = idiot | 03:25 | |
| woglinde | lol | 03:25 |
| timeless_mbp | pronto: ping | 03:25 |
| pronto | hi? | 03:26 |
| timeless_mbp | pronto: please say you *don't* have openssh-server installed | 03:26 |
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| pronto | i have ssh client installed on my n900 | 03:26 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, good | 03:26 |
| timeless_mbp | please disable all repos, and enable/add the tools repo | 03:26 |
| timeless_mbp | then try to add openssh server | 03:26 |
| timeless_mbp | before you add it, find out the version it's going to install | 03:27 |
| pronto | o.O tools repo? | 03:27 |
| odin_ | ~devtools | 03:27 |
| infobot | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? | 03:27 |
| pronto | i have the extra, and extra dev, ovi, and the default one | 03:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | odin_: sounds usefull | 03:28 |
| timeless_mbp | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5#Installation | 03:28 |
| timeless_mbp | pronto: disable all of those, add this one ^ | 03:28 |
| odin_ | infobot devtools is at "deb http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools free non-free" see documentation at http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 | 03:28 |
| infobot | ...but devtools is already something else... | 03:28 |
| odin_ | what has World of Warcraft go to do with Maemo ? | 03:28 |
| timeless_mbp | odin_: use 'maemo ...' | 03:29 |
| timeless_mbp | odin_: please note that infobot is almost certainly a shared resource | 03:29 |
| AOK | odin_: what is DSOs | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | odin_: infobot is channel agnostic | 03:29 |
| AOK | will it be wrong to install the libcrypto 0.97 | 03:30 |
| AOK | will it damage the phone? | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~tell odin_ about batfaq | 03:30 |
| odin_ | AOK, a Dynamic Shared Object, (aka as a DLL in windows world, the libcrypto.so.0.9.7 is a DSO) | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | just for an example | 03:30 |
| lardman|home | night chaps | 03:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | duh | 03:31 |
| AOK | OdI installed it and still | 03:31 |
| AOK | damn | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~tell odin_ about joerg | 03:31 |
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| * odin_ wonders what he is meant to be learning | 03:32 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | you may learn factoids of infobot aren't bound to #cannels | 03:33 |
| pronto | timeless_mbp: 1:5.1p1-2maemo6 | 03:33 |
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| odin_ | so what is infobot good for there, if 100 other channels share it ? | 03:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | infobot: status | 03:34 |
| infobot | Since Tue Jan 19 04:49:42 2010, there have been 2 modifications, 55 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 34 commands. I have been awake for 20h 45m 16s this session, and currently reference 116750 factoids. I'm using about 18972 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1919.25/65.77 child 0.27/0.11 | 03:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | with 100k factoids, it shouldn't be that bad | 03:35 |
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| odin_ | but like about 5 maemo facts? | 03:36 |
| * timeless_mbp frowns | 03:36 | |
| odin_ | infobot how many factiods do you have from #maemo ? | 03:36 |
| timeless_mbp | Proteous_: try enabling extras | 03:37 |
| timeless_mbp | (maemo.org?) | 03:37 |
| timeless_mbp | see which version of openssh server you're offered | 03:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | Proteous_: the goal here is to install one version (old) of openssh-server | 03:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | then enable another repository | 03:38 |
| timeless_mbp | and use the 'updates' view | 03:38 |
| timeless_mbp | it should offer an update for openssh-server | 03:38 |
| pronto | i assume you mean me? | 03:38 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 03:38 |
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| pronto | tab fail :p | 03:38 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry, it's past 3am | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | past 2 here | 03:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | night fellas | 03:39 |
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| pronto | the maemo.org has the same version 1:5.1p1-6maemo1 | 03:39 |
| pronto | err 5( | 03:39 |
| timeless_mbp | pronto: afaik, tools, testing and maemo.org have different versions | 03:39 |
| timeless_mbp | unless ham is lying to me in some really annoying way | 03:39 |
| timeless_mbp | pronto: i'm not picky on the package | 03:40 |
| timeless_mbp | so if you can find something else where you can leverage this, otherwise i'll just setup a pair of repos for testing | 03:40 |
| timeless_mbp | basically, this is https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5309 take 2 | 03:41 |
| povbot` | Bug 5309: Don't show "Update All" if no updates are available | 03:41 |
| timeless_mbp | in take one, 'update all' is always available (or something very close to always) | 03:41 |
| timeless_mbp | in take 2, it's available after you use 'update all' (but before you go 'back') | 03:41 |
| timeless_mbp | but ... you need to be awake to test this :( | 03:42 |
| pronto | it updates when i edit the cataglogs | 03:42 |
| timeless_mbp | that's a different 'update' | 03:43 |
| pronto | when catalog is fremantol tools: for oppenssh server, Available version is 1:5.1p1-2maemo6 | 03:44 |
| timeless_mbp | that's 'update repository information' instead of 'update installed packages on device' | 03:44 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, so there is a difference? | 03:44 |
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| pronto | when the normal repos i have are enabled, openssh server has 1:5.1p1-6.maemo5 | 03:47 |
| * GeneralAntilles needs to empty a drive to install Windows 7 on. . . . | 03:47 | |
| woglinde | hm I should go now to sleep I think | 03:47 |
| pronto | catalong maemo.org | 03:47 |
| woglinde | GeneralAntilles why? | 03:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | woglinde, because I have a Mac Pro and I can. :D | 03:47 |
| woglinde | lol | 03:47 |
| pronto | timeless_mbp: yeah, sorry for the confusion | 03:48 |
| timeless_mbp | no problem | 03:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | woglinde, I might get back into PC gaming a bit. | 03:48 |
| timeless_mbp | ham lied to me | 03:48 |
| timeless_mbp | it doesn't show the '1:' | 03:48 |
| woglinde | GeneralAntilles ah thats a good reason | 03:48 |
| pronto | heh, well that shows under details | 03:48 |
| timeless_mbp | pronto: ok, so, enable tools, update all | 03:48 |
| pronto | when you client install, details | 03:48 |
| pronto | click* | 03:48 |
| pronto | man i get odd typos | 03:48 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah yeah | 03:48 |
| pronto | when the tools repo is on, do i have to disable the other repos? | 03:49 |
| timeless_mbp | please | 03:49 |
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| pronto | clicked the update icon with the tools repo only on | 03:51 |
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| matthew- | Hey | 03:52 |
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| pronto | when i click the "update all" it says ready to install updates, memory req'd 0kB | 03:52 |
| matthew- | I downloaded maps for ovi | 03:52 |
| nomis | oh wow. hildon.NOTE_TYPE_PROGRESSBAR is totally broken. | 03:52 |
| timeless_mbp | pronto: ok | 03:52 |
| matthew- | and now ive got a problem | 03:52 |
| matthew- | as all those tracks lke 'turn left' bla bla bla | 03:52 |
| timeless_mbp | after it installs, tap the title area | 03:52 |
| timeless_mbp | you should see 'update all' in the menu | 03:53 |
| matthew- | are in my player :< | 03:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | use ctrl-shift-p to take a picture | 03:53 |
| odin_ | interesting stuff in 'dmesg': UBI: number of bad PEBs: 2, UBI: max/mean erase counter: 39/10 | 03:53 |
| pronto | yeah update all is there | 03:54 |
| timeless_mbp | pronto: wanna file a bug? :) | 03:54 |
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| pronto | not quite sure what the bug is, but if you need me to i'll get you that screen | 03:55 |
| timeless_mbp | pronto: well, is there anything to update? :) | 03:55 |
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| pronto | two things | 03:55 |
| pronto | that didnt work | 03:55 |
| timeless_mbp | ?! | 03:55 |
| pronto | "personal-menu" and "sdlquike-mmc1" | 03:56 |
| pronto | both of the updates say 0 kB though | 03:56 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, confused | 03:56 |
| timeless_mbp | i was hoping you'd use update all to update all (hopefully) 1 items in the list | 03:56 |
| pronto | that personal-menu has always said 0 kB update and never worked | 03:57 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd suggest uninstalling it | 03:57 |
| pronto | heh | 03:57 |
| matthew- | thanks for help... | 03:57 |
| matthew- | not | 03:57 |
| matthew- | ;] | 03:57 |
| matthew- | also, where is the maemo.org theme? | 03:58 |
| matthew- | as it's not in 'themes' | 03:58 |
| timeless_mbp | try graphics? | 03:58 |
| timeless_mbp | it's in Desktop | 03:59 |
| shinkamui | koffice was reeased? | 03:59 |
| shinkamui | where the heck was I | 03:59 |
| pronto | timeless_mbp: removed, now only with the tools repo on, the update area says no updates alvaible , and there is no "update all" | 03:59 |
| shinkamui | been waiting for that, though abiword has kept me happy for the last day or so | 03:59 |
| shinkamui | :) | 03:59 |
| matthew- | timeless_mbp: what desktop? | 04:00 |
| timeless_mbp | matthew-: did you install maemo-org or were you looking for it? | 04:00 |
| matthew- | i did install it | 04:00 |
| matthew- | thou cant find a way to activate it | 04:00 |
| timeless_mbp | go to the desktop | 04:01 |
| timeless_mbp | tap the desktop | 04:01 |
| timeless_mbp | tap the title area | 04:01 |
| matthew- | yeah | 04:01 |
| timeless_mbp | tap themes or something | 04:01 |
| shinkamui | I keep seeing the koffice referenced as a "viewer". does this mean the maemo 5 version doesn't edit documents? | 04:01 |
| shinkamui | anyone use it yet | 04:01 |
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| matthew- | timeless_mbp: it is _not_ in themes :) | 04:01 |
| shinkamui | really curious about how snappy it is or isnt | 04:01 |
| pronto | shinkamui: when i noticed it said viewer, i didnt bother | 04:01 |
| timeless_mbp | matthew-: it is for me | 04:01 |
| timeless_mbp | pronto: ok, enable the other repo that had the newer version | 04:02 |
| shinkamui | pronto, I thought so too, but in the article they say you can copy and paste from AND to it | 04:02 |
| timeless_mbp | go to updates | 04:02 |
| shinkamui | that indicates that it should be an editor | 04:02 |
| shinkamui | I was thinking maybe some parts are view only, like presentation | 04:02 |
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| pronto | enable myother repos, and disable tools? | 04:02 |
| matthew- | How can I delete themes? | 04:02 |
| shinkamui | hoping someone had actually tried it, Ill just install it as soon as my battery recharges | 04:02 |
| shinkamui | long freeking day, I was dead by 4:30 | 04:02 |
| timeless_mbp | sure | 04:03 |
| timeless_mbp | pronto: although, for simplicity, i'd prefer if you only enabled *one* other repo | 04:03 |
| timeless_mbp | e.g. maemo.org | 04:03 |
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| shinkamui | pulseaudio is killing my battery. Every time I check, the process is between 14 and 19 percent. AND Im in the silent profile to boot | 04:03 |
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| * timeless_mbp hates users | 04:04 | |
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| * timeless_mbp has had a couple of bugs filed about the same stupid crash | 04:05 | |
| timeless_mbp | in about 24 hours | 04:05 |
| matthew- | timeless_mbp: ur on a macbook pro? | 04:05 |
| timeless_mbp | ayup | 04:05 |
| matthew- | any way of synching mac and n900 yet? | 04:05 |
| timeless_mbp | but my users are lusers running various flavors of linux | 04:05 |
| matthew- | apart from using google? | 04:05 |
| timeless_mbp | matthew-: i use MfE | 04:05 |
| matthew- | ah ok | 04:05 |
| pronto | timeless_mbp with only the maemo.org repo, there are no updatse alvible | 04:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: add testing? | 04:06 |
| pronto | is that another repo , or? | 04:06 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 04:06 |
| timeless_mbp | pronto: any repo that has the newer version will do | 04:07 |
| timeless_mbp | i just don't want 20 repos enabled :) | 04:07 |
| pronto | repos i have are the defualt nokia, ovi, maemo, my-maemo, applications, extras, maemo extras, maemo extras-devel, fremantle tools ,, atm only maemo.org is on | 04:07 |
| matthew- | How to delete themes? | 04:08 |
| timeless_mbp | is maemo.org different from maemo extras? | 04:08 |
| timeless_mbp | matthew-: themes should be packages | 04:08 |
| timeless_mbp | so you'd use add/remove | 04:08 |
| matthew- | they're not in there. | 04:08 |
| pronto | thats respo....maemo/extras | 04:08 |
| timeless_mbp | matthew-: i presume you're using English (US? UK?) | 04:08 |
| matthew- | yes | 04:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: anyway, enable whichever repo you like | 04:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | pronto, kill my-maemo. | 04:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | pronto, it's evil. | 04:10 |
| pronto | oh? | 04:10 |
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| pronto | how is it evil? | 04:11 |
| AOK | so now another problem :-( | 04:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | pronto, it's a broken, outdated mirror of maemo.org stuff. | 04:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | pronto, evil. | 04:11 |
| pronto | oh | 04:11 |
| pronto | heh | 04:11 |
| AOK | "cp /hamachi/hamachi /usr/bin/hamachi" | 04:11 |
| AOK | "cp /hamachi/tuncfg /sbin/tuncfg" | 04:11 |
| AOK | on the second one it says no "omitting directory" | 04:12 |
| timeless_mbp | cp -r ? | 04:12 |
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| AOK | Is not a directory error | 04:12 |
| matthew- | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39791 | 04:12 |
| matthew- | ive got this | 04:12 |
| matthew- | and how can i remove it? | 04:13 |
| pupnik | shinkamui: pulseaudio doesn't use cpu unless something is playing audio | 04:13 |
| AOK | cp - r /hamachi/tuncfg /sbin/tuncfg" | 04:14 |
| AOK | says | 04:14 |
| AOK | .. /sbin/tuncfg/tuncfg is not a directory | 04:15 |
| AOK | timeless_mbp: any ideas? | 04:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | ls -l /sbin/tuncfg | 04:15 |
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| AOK | yep there are the three files inside | 04:16 |
| timeless_mbp | ls -ld /sbin/tuncfg | 04:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | ls -ld /hamachi/tuncfg | 04:17 |
| AOK | good | 04:18 |
| AOK | the actual problem is another one as it seems | 04:18 |
| AOK | since those are there | 04:18 |
| AOK | there is no hamachi-init | 04:18 |
| AOK | in the package | 04:18 |
| AOK | :-( | 04:18 |
| pupnik | "More recently, a law is proposed in Italy that requires Internet users to apply for and receive authorization from the Communications Ministry to upload video to Internet sites." | 04:22 |
| pronto | i'm tempted to make a ducttape case for my n900 | 04:22 |
| microlith | anyone know how to gethe terminal font size smaller than 6pt? | 04:22 |
| pupnik | wow, apt nickname | 04:23 |
| pronto | microlith: holy hell do you have mircoscope eyes? | 04:23 |
| pronto | my font for the maemo terminal is 16 :| | 04:23 |
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| microlith | no, the problem is that font size in the maemo terminal is much, much bigger than what is shown in the terminal dialog | 04:23 |
| microlith | a font size of 10 is enormous | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | microlith, yeah, X DPI is set to 96. :\ | 04:24 |
| microlith | o_O | 04:24 |
| microlith | that's... less than half of the actual dpi... | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, lot less than half | 04:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~265 or so, I think? | 04:25 |
| ShadowJK | use the zoom buttons | 04:25 |
| microlith | zoom buttons? | 04:25 |
| microlith | OH | 04:25 |
| ShadowJK | the rocker switch on top left | 04:25 |
| microlith | thank you | 04:26 |
| * microlith rolls the font size down | 04:26 | |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, remember the DPI | 04:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | ? | 04:27 |
| ShadowJK | so are you using minimum now? :) | 04:27 |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't feel like calculating it at the moment. | 04:27 | |
| ShadowJK | more like 300 on n900 isn't it | 04:27 |
| microlith | ShadowJK: no, the font size now matches the font dialog, and it's slightly higher than it was | 04:27 |
| microlith | overall though, smaller | 04:27 |
| * ShadowJK can see pixels on n810 but not n900 :/ | 04:27 | |
| ShadowJK | I think I need glasses now | 04:28 |
| AOK | Soo | 04:28 |
| AOK | I have a symlink from hamachi to hamachi-init | 04:28 |
| AOK | but then cant start it | 04:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno 15:9 ratio, 3.5", 800x480 | 04:28 |
| pupnik | incredible dpi. something like 10 pixels per millimeter | 04:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, I love having a device that I can't readily see the pixels on. | 04:28 |
| AOK | it says it can't find it | 04:29 |
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| AOK | Any idea why? | 04:29 |
| SpeedEvil | !math(15^2+9^2) | 04:29 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - 266dpi | 04:31 |
| ShadowJK | "point" is a measure of physical size, not pixel size. And since n900 fakes the dpi, you het a much much smaller font size than the correct size when asking for 10pt font | 04:31 |
| ShadowJK | s/het/get/ | 04:31 |
| infobot | ShadowJK meant: "point" is a measure of physical size, not pixel size. And since n900 fakes the dpi, you get a much much smaller font size than the correct size when asking for 10pt font | 04:31 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders a USB hot-metal type machine | 04:31 | |
| odin_ | a point is 1/72 of an inch ? | 04:32 |
| AOK | how do I edit with VI? | 04:32 |
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| odin_ | press ESCAPE then type ":q!" to exit (and find a text editor you can use) | 04:33 |
| timeless_mbp | they're trying to fit way too much text into way too narrow of a field | 04:33 |
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| AOK | Sooo. :-) | 04:42 |
| AOK | I edit it with the commander under root | 04:42 |
| AOK | it worked | 04:42 |
| AOK | so | 04:42 |
| AOK | the problem is now | 04:42 |
| arpwatch | Anyone else unable to stream radio on the n900 after the update? I searched on the forums but didn't find anything definite. | 04:42 |
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| AOK | ... /bin/sh: Tuncfg: Permission denied | 04:43 |
| AOK | I have to start tunecfg before everything else | 04:43 |
| AOK | :-) | 04:43 |
| AOK | any ideas | 04:43 |
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| AOK | any ideas? | 04:44 |
| AOK | Guys PLS | 04:44 |
| AOK | odin_: | 04:44 |
| AOK | timeless_mbp: | 04:45 |
| AOK | ? | 04:45 |
| AOK | You are my saviours so far | 04:45 |
| AOK | thansk to you I did great progress | 04:45 |
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| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 04:46 | |
| * timeless_mbp doesn't really care | 04:46 | |
| timeless_mbp | it's ~5am | 04:46 |
| AOK | OK | 04:47 |
| AOK | Get it | 04:47 |
| dotblank | So as soon as it becomes 12:00 Eastern im going to buy the n900. Anyone regret buying it or have serious issues or know something I should know? | 04:48 |
| adalal | how do you play m4b files on an n900? | 04:48 |
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| dotblank | I heard the range on the radio transmitter is fairly limited and it very depeneding on your local | 04:51 |
| smps | dotblank, gps does not work well without a-gps | 04:51 |
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| smps | dotblank, range is ok (imho) | 04:51 |
| pupnik | why are you considering buying one, dotblank | 04:51 |
| smps | dotblank, 88 - 107.9 | 04:51 |
| dotblank | smps, how is the actual phone part | 04:51 |
| smps | dotblank, ? | 04:52 |
| adalal | dotblank: you dont need any range higher for the radio transmitter lol | 04:52 |
| dotblank | Can you put the n900 in speaker and have it play over FM? | 04:52 |
| pupnik | i can't get a clean signal unless the n900 is immediately next to the radio | 04:52 |
| pupnik | i am in a very FM-dense region though | 04:52 |
| dotblank | It just seems to be a hit or miss for most people | 04:53 |
| pupnik | dotblank: not knowing anything about you, it is not possible to give advice | 04:53 |
| smps | dotblank, i use it only in my car and its working just fine for me (but my n900 sits 15 cm from radio tho) | 04:53 |
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| dotblank | but yea im buying it mainly because it seems really easy to develop for. (GTK and python) | 04:54 |
| smps | btw. todays hit news : http://twitter.com/billgates | 04:54 |
| pupnik | if you use linux, the n900 is like a thinkpad in your pocket | 04:54 |
| smps | yes i like it when i can log into server and quickly change something or check something from xterm on n900 | 04:55 |
| dotblank | ok me Im a big linux user. I also mess around with nearly all of the application ported thus far. Im a guy that likes to look at the inner workings of a device. | 04:55 |
| smps | i only miss ipsec/l2tp | 04:55 |
| pupnik | i think you'll love it. the phone is missing some functions i need, but they are fixing that | 04:55 |
| dotblank | BTW any of you tried setting up a network sink for PA over wifi on the device yet? | 04:55 |
| smps | "network sink for pa" ? | 04:56 |
| dotblank | pulseaudio | 04:56 |
| pupnik | networked audio | 04:56 |
| smps | nope | 04:56 |
| dotblank | like if my home stereo system has a discoverable network server | 04:57 |
| dotblank | if it is a full fledged pulseaudio it should work right? | 04:57 |
| dotblank | network sound server | 04:57 |
| dotblank | * | 04:57 |
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| smps | dont know never messing with audio | 04:58 |
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| pupnik | shouldn't be too hard - i did streaming audio with 770 for a test | 04:59 |
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| dotblank | also does the phone have the module module-ladspa-sink? cause if I take that and combine it with AutoTalent(http://web.mit.edu/tbaran/www/autotalent.html) in theory I should be able to AutoTune my voice calls.. which would be very very cool (imho) | 05:00 |
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| dotblank | I could sing "im on a boat" with uncanny precision | 05:01 |
| timeless_mbp | wow | 05:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dotblank, lol, awesome. | 05:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Add a backing drum-track too. | 05:04 |
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| dotblank | you could also add simple effects and filter out static and such | 05:04 |
| dotblank | Also very possible to EQ your media | 05:05 |
| dotblank | You could make your voice sound like god and other nifty tricks | 05:06 |
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| dotblank | Ive been saving up a lot of ideas to test on this phone | 05:07 |
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| arpwatch | what would be cool is running autotalent realtime and speaking to people like t-pain or cher with the n900. | 05:09 |
| arpwatch | That is the path I want to see it take. | 05:09 |
| dotblank | I also would like to try and take FUPPES (http://fuppes.ulrich-voelkel.de/) so that if I go over to a friends place and he/she has an xbox/ps3/whatever I would be able to spoof a upnp Windows Media Player and thus allow them to play stuff off my phone without any wires | 05:10 |
| dotblank | on the console | 05:10 |
| arpwatch | dang you're full of interesting links | 05:11 |
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| dotblank | I have several other ideas but I cant remember them right now | 05:11 |
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| dotblank | also that aircrack-ng looks very promising. | 05:15 |
| SpeedEvil | dotblank: have anyone in your contacts list with an annoyingly high voice? | 05:16 |
| SpeedEvil | tune it down on a per-contact basis | 05:17 |
| dotblank | So yea im thinking I might actually get it. | 05:17 |
| dotblank | Ive been wanting this phone for 3 months | 05:17 |
| dotblank | SpeedEvil, Thats great | 05:17 |
| dotblank | "Um hold on a sec dude, I gotta make your voice less gay... Ok much better" | 05:18 |
| smps | lol | 05:18 |
| dotblank | "you would make a great darth vader" | 05:18 |
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| dotblank | Whoa i just thought of something... Lets say you have a projector and have it connected via TV-out cable. and someone is standing in front of the projection screen with the n900 filming you. The n900 creates a dynamic chromo key and then (basically) green screens you. But this would look alot nicer because instead of a greanscreen you could have a dynamic pattern | 05:22 |
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| dotblank | Actually it have better applications in augmented reality | 05:26 |
| dotblank | would* | 05:26 |
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| dotblank | But yea I like the fact this phone has pulse... there so much you can do with that | 05:28 |
| dotblank | would be better with jack but oh well | 05:29 |
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| arpwatch | i don't get the green screen thing...you want to project the background and film at the same time with the n900? | 05:30 |
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| dotblank | yea but because your doing both you can genereate a pattern that the n900 expects to see.. | 05:31 |
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| dotblank | from that you can draw 3d objects in the video with proper size and everything | 05:32 |
| arpwatch | ok. that would be really neat. | 05:32 |
| dotblank | you could also make a really crude 3d scanner | 05:33 |
| uhsf | the "3d" seems overstatement here | 05:34 |
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| dotblank | not really you can do this with a sheet of paper | 05:35 |
| dotblank | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBMZGYx179E | 05:35 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 05:36 |
| timeless_mbp | Catorize is interesting | 05:36 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: um | 05:36 |
| timeless_mbp | catorize is problematic | 05:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, it's awesome! | 05:38 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: have you tried it with enus1? | 05:38 |
| dotblank | Catorize? | 05:38 |
| timeless_mbp | it doesn't wrap long category names | 05:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, you mean the fact that h-d doesn't wrap? | 05:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah. | 05:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | I dunno if anybody opened a bug yet. | 05:38 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm about to | 05:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | On Hildon Desktop, please. | 05:39 |
| timeless_mbp | not catorize? | 05:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Catorize just shuffles the .desktop files and such around | 05:39 |
| timeless_mbp | ah | 05:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | It doesn't have any control over how Hildon Desktop displays stuff. | 05:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, you know what I mean. | 05:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | btw, Maep rocks | 05:57 |
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| goodwill | timeless_mbp: catorise is still miles better then the default display | 05:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | goodwill: oh, i'm not arguing that | 05:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe we can get this in for PR1.2. | 06:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody poke konttori. | 06:00 |
| goodwill | timeless_mbp: is it even possible to get hildon desktop to wrap? | 06:00 |
| timeless_mbp | goodwill: i wouldn't know :) | 06:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | and somebody else con Jaffa into writing a patch. | 06:00 |
| goodwill | timeless_mbp: I check Pidgin Internet Messenger ... and apparent hildon cuts off strings | 06:02 |
| goodwill | timeless_mbp: I tested it ... and hildon won't wrap even when you force line break with \n | 06:03 |
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| goodwill | angry birds is really fun | 06:07 |
| timeless_mbp | does zootube not support hiding the progress bar? | 06:15 |
| timeless_mbp | this is annoying | 06:15 |
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| Tester | goodwill: why use pidgin ? you can install "extras pidgin plugins" for the built-in ui... | 06:16 |
| goodwill | Tester: OTR | 06:16 |
| Tester | ah | 06:16 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 06:16 |
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| Proteous | stupid +R | 06:17 |
| goodwill | timeless: its an encryption plugin | 06:17 |
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| ShadowJK | timeless_mbp: do you never sleep? :-) | 06:17 |
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| pupnik | people just don't drink enough coffee | 06:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, hides here. | 06:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, try tapping or something? | 06:22 |
| pupnik | see how fast uae runs GeneralAntilles ? | 06:22 |
| greenfly | I'm hoping for otr support in the default IM client myself, but I'm glad at least pidgin supports it for now | 06:28 |
| Tester | we're doing a new telepathy api for crypto, but its not goign ot make it into any officiel fremantle release | 06:30 |
| greenfly | ahhh ok | 06:31 |
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| dotblank | Ok im about to buy it online... any recomendations on where to get it from? | 06:52 |
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| tank-man | amazon? | 06:53 |
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| Smily | right then, anyone knows if it's possible to delete a whole calendar? | 06:56 |
| greenfly | dotblank: sometimes dell.com has a coupon that gives a good discount | 06:59 |
| dotblank | it ended just a few days + that has tax | 07:00 |
| Smily | ohh found it | 07:04 |
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| dotblank | Well.. I will get my N900 in the mail | 07:07 |
| dotblank | I cant wait | 07:07 |
| dotblank | these next days are going to suck | 07:08 |
| dotblank | few* | 07:08 |
| pupnik | be thankful you live somewhere where the mail gets delivered reliably. | 07:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, that's not a thing. | 07:11 |
| pupnik | ? | 07:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no such place. ;) | 07:11 |
| pupnik | eh ok. | 07:12 |
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| dotblank | Hes serious I think | 07:13 |
| dotblank | Ive got my sim card waiting to be put into the phone | 07:13 |
| dotblank | all it has to do is get here | 07:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik is always serious. | 07:14 |
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| pupnik | it's just so pretty to see the blinkenlights running !~60fps | 07:18 |
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| pupnik | for some reason that's what motivates me | 07:18 |
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| pronto | O_o the media player added a whole bunch of stuff i didnt want it to, like random ring tones | 07:33 |
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| pupnik | it comes with the OS | 07:33 |
| pronto | not that stuff, crap from a mirco sd card i have | 07:34 |
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| ml-mobile | bleh | 07:35 |
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| pupnik | pronto: you can disable it from scanning your microSD | 07:37 |
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| pronto | is there a way just to have it scan a list of folders? , like on the device istself i want it to scan /path/to/music , and on the mircoSD i want it to only scan a single folder | 07:38 |
| pronto | not disable it 100% | 07:38 |
| derf | pupnik: How do you disable it? | 07:38 |
| pupnik | not sure. let me check | 07:39 |
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| pupnik | nope, i don't remember. this might be interesting -- cat /home/user/.config/user-dirs.dirs | 07:40 |
| pronto | looks like to disable the mircoSD from tracker all togeather its under .config/tracker/tracker.cfg | 07:44 |
| goodwill | according to apt-get update fremantle extras and tools repos have an incorrect gpg signature | 07:45 |
| goodwill | anyone knows why? | 07:45 |
| pronto | IndexRemovableMedia=true is default | 07:45 |
| pronto | hrm looks like i could add the mirco SD to no watch, and then add a watch to a certain path i wanted on the SD card | 07:46 |
| pupnik | same problem here goodwill | 07:46 |
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| pupnik | BADSIG E40DC434616730BD | 07:47 |
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| goodwill | yup | 07:47 |
| pupnik | i tend to copy downloaded debs from /var/cache/apt/archives to ~/MyDocs/debs so i can reinstall if needed | 07:48 |
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| * RST38h yawns widely | 07:53 | |
| pupnik | morning Rhoruns | 07:53 |
| pupnik | RST38h: | 07:53 |
| Rhoruns | :) | 07:53 |
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| RST38h | heya pupnik | 07:55 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/uae_n900.avi that cyclone 68k core is nice | 07:56 |
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| pupnik | ok .. audio.cpp and a fresh pot of coffee | 07:59 |
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| RST38h | still hacking audio? | 08:04 |
| RST38h | and yes, cyclone is the right path to go | 08:04 |
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| pupnik | most of the time i just spend looking at stuff and being confused | 08:10 |
| pupnik | but it's fun | 08:11 |
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| KamuiN900 | suxorz. koffice on n900 is a viewer only atm | 08:30 |
| KamuiN900 | at least we still have abiword... | 08:31 |
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| slonopotamus | err... KamuiN900 really? | 08:35 |
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| RST38h | yep | 08:37 |
| RST38h | And I had to uninstall koffice anyway. Very very slow. | 08:37 |
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| * pupnik loves his trackpoint keyboard | 08:43 | |
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| * RST38h almost lost a finger to trackpoint keyboard once | 08:46 | |
| RST38h | --= never again =-- | 08:46 |
| jaska | did it try to nom nom on it? | 08:46 |
| pupnik | need to adjust sensitivity and use a light touch | 08:47 |
| RST38h | well, the rubber condom has worn off, and so has a large patch of my skin =) | 08:48 |
| * RST38h will take a trackpad, at least until the trackballs return to laptops | 08:49 | |
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| pupnik | i love guessing the exact number of lines to yank in vi | 08:53 |
| RST38h | pupnik: ever though of using pico? =) | 08:55 |
| RST38h | thought | 08:55 |
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| RST38h | ---> work | 08:55 |
| pupnik | enjoy | 08:55 |
| pupnik | no vi is faster | 08:56 |
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| redeen900 | i have a minor problem, my onscreen keyboard has disappeared after a reboot | 08:57 |
| redeen900 | it is enabled in settings | 08:58 |
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| sivang | morning dear community! | 08:58 |
| Milo- | dearling more community | 08:59 |
| sivang | Has anyone managed to use the so called 5mega pixel camera and produce good quality photos with the N900 ? | 08:59 |
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| sivang | Milo-: huh? | 08:59 |
| thomaz | simeoni, try macro mode | 08:59 |
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| ifreq | sivang: yes @outside on good lightning ive done some medium pics | 08:59 |
| sivang | I strongly start to question if it is a really 5mp camera. It produces photos like a 90's poor 640x480 camera | 09:00 |
| Milo- | medium != good | 09:00 |
| sivang | which is *highly* disappointing | 09:00 |
| sivang | s/camera/webcam/ | 09:00 |
| sivang | sorry about the harsh words :) | 09:00 |
| thomaz | sivang, it doesn't mean the picture is good, it means the picture is big | 09:00 |
| ifreq | idd.. | 09:00 |
| slonopotamus | thomaz, :D | 09:00 |
| sivang | ah , right | 09:00 |
| sivang | what about Carl Zeiss | 09:00 |
| ifreq | optics | 09:00 |
| sivang | and other markeing talk | 09:01 |
| ifreq | so its big and it has good lens. dunno bout the picture processor | 09:01 |
| redeen900 | any ideas on how to fix my osk? | 09:01 |
| sivang | okay , thanks | 09:01 |
| Milo- | carl zeiss doesn't exist | 09:01 |
| Milo- | he is a fictional character | 09:01 |
| thomaz | sivang, i took some pictures today, let me show you | 09:01 |
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| thomaz | ok, i give up... chromium crashed 3 times while trying to upload the picture | 09:04 |
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| Milo- | sshfs <3 | 09:05 |
| sivang | thomaz: please do | 09:05 |
| Milo- | and scp <3 | 09:05 |
| thomaz | hold on | 09:05 |
| thomaz | i think i got it with drag n drop | 09:05 |
| thomaz | gtk is seriously messed up | 09:05 |
| ifreq | anyone know is there a ovi suite for osc? | 09:06 |
| ifreq | osx* | 09:06 |
| jkimball4 | what's osx? | 09:06 |
| thomaz | sivang, http://bayimg.com/image/bajnbaacm.jpg | 09:07 |
| thomaz | terrible quality | 09:07 |
| ruskie | hmm odd... openvpn-applet got lost | 09:07 |
| ruskie | thomaz, hmm did you enable 5MP mode | 09:08 |
| ruskie | it was by default 3.5MP here | 09:08 |
| sivang | thomaz: this is unreal | 09:08 |
| thomaz | no | 09:08 |
| sivang | ruskie: I have | 09:08 |
| thomaz | i used default widescreen mode | 09:08 |
| sivang | ruskie: and I treid in less pixel mode to try make it better | 09:08 |
| sivang | we have to do something about it | 09:08 |
| ifreq | yeah write some filters | 09:08 |
| ifreq | buy a decent pocket cam | 09:08 |
| ifreq | etc | 09:09 |
| sivang | my iPhoner friends are starting to make jokes of me trying to evengalize the phone to them :) | 09:09 |
| sivang | ifreq: are you suggesting that this is a software issue ? | 09:09 |
| ifreq | nope not saying a word. | 09:09 |
| ifreq | as im not quite interested of the cam feature | 09:09 |
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| sivang | ifreq: ah, okay | 09:09 |
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| sivang | ifreq: for most of the users it will be of interest | 09:10 |
| ifreq | well i can take pics to share on social networks | 09:10 |
| ifreq | its decent for that | 09:10 |
| sivang | (the non developers users, and I can't possibly assume that NOkia targets this device to developers only) | 09:10 |
| ifreq | as i dont hafty share them 5MP size | 09:10 |
| KamuiN900 | slot, looks it for sure | 09:10 |
| KamuiN900 | slot: autocomplete fail | 09:10 |
| KamuiN900 | sigh... | 09:10 |
| KamuiN900 | no tab no char | 09:11 |
| KamuiN900 | slot: test | 09:11 |
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| KamuiN900 | and fail because im stupid | 09:12 |
| thomaz | ruskie, do you think 5mp mode will give me a better picture? | 09:12 |
| KamuiN900 | slonopotamus: | 09:12 |
| KamuiN900 | no such luck. definately read only | 09:12 |
| ruskie | thomaz, well unless the software/hardware does anything special with the extra MPs it probably will a bit | 09:16 |
| thomaz | sivang, does the iphone cam take good pictures? | 09:16 |
| ruskie | I don't have atm any good light to take a pic | 09:17 |
| redeen900 | its far worse than the n900 cam | 09:17 |
| redeen900 | someti | 09:17 |
| redeen900 | sometimes the n900 cam does great pics | 09:17 |
| thomaz | i think it's a matter of practice | 09:18 |
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| thomaz | i've seen good pictures with the n900 | 09:18 |
| ruskie | well you do have the half press for focus... which a lot of people seem to miss | 09:18 |
| ruskie | or don't even know about it | 09:19 |
| ruskie | etc... | 09:19 |
| thresh | well, when the sun is shining, it really does | 09:19 |
| thresh | like http://www.flickr.com/photos/thresh/4245016955/ | 09:20 |
| ruskie | http://ruskie.codemages.net/caches/20081120032.jpg <-- N95, N900 --> http://ruskie.codemages.net/caches/20091031010.jpg | 09:20 |
| ruskie | of course hard to compare since one is outside the other inside | 09:20 |
| ruskie | and the one inside I believe was at 3.5 | 09:21 |
| ruskie | before I found out it actually defaults to 3.5 | 09:21 |
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| ruskie | anyway for the most part I only need the large detail in the pics I take with the N900 | 09:22 |
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| ruskie | if I want to actually get some decent shots I'll grab my DSLR | 09:22 |
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| thomaz | ruskie, thanks for the half press focus, i didn't know that | 09:23 |
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| ifreq | heres with 5MP on good lightning: http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/1671/cf72610a4f4d486095b9b1fc5440681d.jpg | 09:24 |
| ifreq | thought its been resized with the ovi service :P | 09:24 |
| thresh | now why did i open vacation photos, i want to go to mountains again | 09:25 |
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| sivang | thomaz: yes, I have a friend who likes to show them off when I tell him he can't see flash :-) | 09:26 |
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| redeen900 | anyone that can help me get the onscreen keyboard back? it is enables in settings | 09:27 |
| pupnik | http://www.tigert.com/2009/10/18/photojourney-with-n900/ more nice n900 pics | 09:27 |
| sivang | ruskie: you in russia ? | 09:27 |
| sivang | ruskie: that photo you sent seems to have HUngarian writing | 09:28 |
| sivang | redeen900: how do you try to bring it on? | 09:28 |
| redeen900 | sivang: like i always did, press in an input field | 09:28 |
| thomaz | here's the magic of half press focus... before >> http://bayimg.com/image/cajnhaacm.jpg and after >> http://bayimg.com/image/cajnjaacm.jpg | 09:28 |
| sivang | redeen900: and the physical kbd is closed ? | 09:28 |
| redeen900 | it stopped working after a reboot | 09:29 |
| redeen900 | yes yes | 09:29 |
| ruskie | sivang, no | 09:29 |
| thresh | sivang: i am in Russia | 09:29 |
| sivang | redeen900: hmm, at certain input fields it takes more time or more cliks from my experience | 09:29 |
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| redeen900 | sivang: i have used the phoene before, the keyboard never appears now | 09:30 |
| sivang | ruskie: ah, okay | 09:30 |
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| ruskie | sivang, and where the h... do you see any hungarian writting on that??? | 09:32 |
| thresh | yeah looks slovenian:) | 09:33 |
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| ruskie | :) | 09:34 |
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| sivang | ruskie: I got confused, too early | 09:36 |
| sivang | :) | 09:36 |
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| redeen900 | this is really annoying, and ofc it happens on the day i actually need my phone alot | 09:37 |
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| sivang | redeen900: what happens if you re-reboot ? | 09:37 |
| redeen900 | i already tried that | 09:39 |
| redeen900 | it changes nothing | 09:39 |
| sivang | redeen900: backup ? | 09:39 |
| sivang | redeen900: I always make backups before I install new apps when I first use an N900 | 09:40 |
| redeen900 | i have not installed anything new | 09:40 |
| redeen900 | and im not home so i cant reflash, but obviously it should be solvable without that | 09:41 |
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| redeen900 | hello danielwilms | 09:42 |
| redeen900 | you wouldnt by an off chance happen to know anything about the onscreen keyboard? ;) | 09:43 |
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| redeen900 | gonna try rebooting again | 09:46 |
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| redeen900 | ok i fixed it | 09:51 |
| sivang | redeen900: how? | 09:51 |
| redeen900 | 2 sec | 09:51 |
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| redeen900 | i disabled it, restarted, then enabled, and restarted | 09:52 |
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| sivang | has anyone managed to actually connecto to a GPS ? | 10:03 |
| sivang | since I got the It failed in all the attempts. | 10:03 |
| adeus | yes | 10:03 |
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| sivang | adeus: I wonder if my phone is just factory damanged | 10:04 |
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| pupnik | sivang: gps with tiny radios is hit-and-miss. n900 is fast with agps. | 10:11 |
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| pupnik | sometimes i just don't get a lock without the cellular connection | 10:12 |
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| pronto | the GPS on the n900 works here, it got me with in feet of where i was a few times (my two HTC phones would get like 100 to 200 feet off at best) | 10:14 |
| thresh | lucky you | 10:16 |
| thresh | i never got it to work without data connection :( | 10:16 |
| pronto | oh w/o data connection?, i havent tried that | 10:16 |
| thresh | yeah it's an issue when you're in roaming you know :) | 10:16 |
| pronto | i have an ulimited data plan | 10:16 |
| pronto | so meh | 10:16 |
| adeus | unlimited roaming plan | 10:17 |
| adeus | that sounds good :) | 10:17 |
| pronto | but now that you say you're trying to get it w/o data connection, how did you get the maps on your device itself? | 10:17 |
| pronto | because sient it downloading the map data as well? | 10:17 |
| pronto | isnt* | 10:17 |
| pronto | never had a roaming issue ever | 10:17 |
| pronto | since i dont use my phone international , i don't have to worry about roaming | 10:18 |
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| pupnik | pronto: you are using agps, not gps | 10:21 |
| sivang | pupnik: agps is using a data connection instead of the GPS to do location pointing ? | 10:23 |
| pupnik | assist | 10:23 |
| sivang | pupnik: tried it, with Maep, doesn't work | 10:23 |
| sivang | pupnik: how do you ask Maep to give you directions? | 10:24 |
| pupnik | ... | 10:24 |
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| pupnik | speak loudly and slowly "maep, where do i go now?" | 10:25 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | sivang: no, AGPS can get a quick fix with celluar stuff, but it also helps kickstart real GPS fixes. | 10:27 |
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| ColdFyre | is anyone using tmobile with fmms? | 10:35 |
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| RST38h | Anyone knows if Maep author visits here? | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | isn't it till? | 10:51 |
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| guerby | hi, anyone knows the AT command to get SIM phonebook? AT+CPBR=1,10 does not work | 10:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | guerby: addressbook, menu, groups, sim card contacts | 10:57 |
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| guerby | timeless_mbp, yep but not all entries from my previous phone are shown that's why I wanted to check low level | 10:58 |
| timeless_mbp | interesting | 10:58 |
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| guerby | timeless_mbp, may be I didn't sync properly SIM from my previous phone (Nokia 6086) let me check | 10:59 |
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| guerby | hmm I always feel like I'll break something when opening the N900 | 11:02 |
| guerby | I wonder how long the small plastic thing will hold | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | the slider? | 11:03 |
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| Stskeeps | if it's anything like the n810, practically unbreakable :P | 11:03 |
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| sivang | Stskeeps: I should do some more reading on that wikipedia page then :) | 11:04 |
| sivang | guerby: does the machine gets AT commands? | 11:04 |
| sivang | wowa | 11:04 |
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| sivang | it has been a while since I heared that term :) | 11:05 |
| sivang | reminds me of the BBS days | 11:05 |
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| guerby | Stskeeps, no the battery access | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | guerby: ah | 11:07 |
| guerby | Stskeeps, the keyboard slider is not an issue :) | 11:07 |
| guerby | Stskeeps, I have a N810 too :) | 11:07 |
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| aep | it isn't? feels like it's quite loose. hard to press down with only one finger, since it tilts | 11:10 |
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| tk421 | i like the way it clicks when i open it | 11:14 |
| guerby | timeless_mbp, ok I just didn't save all contacts to the SIM in my previous phone | 11:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | user error? | 11:15 |
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| guerby | now I just have some cut names but I guess it's a SIM limitation | 11:15 |
| guerby | timeless_mbp, yes | 11:15 |
| timeless_mbp | yes, sim limit | 11:16 |
| timeless_mbp | why did you use sim for transfer? | 11:16 |
| timeless_mbp | you should be able to Import via bluetooth | 11:16 |
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| hrw | morgning | 11:20 |
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| guerby | timeless_mbp, yep should have worked as well | 11:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | so, you'll get less dataloss (hopefully none) if you do that | 11:27 |
| timeless_mbp | could i please get you to try? :) | 11:27 |
| timeless_mbp | if it doesn't work, then we have a bug which needs to be reported, and if it does, you get better data fidelity :) | 11:27 |
| guerby | timeless_mbp, it will probably create conflict havoc if I reimport via bluetooth | 11:28 |
| timeless_mbp | turn off your presence accounts, and delete your contacts (you imported everything from the sim, right?) | 11:29 |
| timeless_mbp | heck you can create a backup of your contacts using the backup app first :) | 11:29 |
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| flux | is there a command line clipboard manipulation tool for maemo5 around? | 11:34 |
| adeus | something beyond xterm does? | 11:35 |
| flux | something like what xclip does | 11:35 |
| flux | xclip -i < foo -> puts contents of foo into clipboard | 11:36 |
| alterego | Slight learning curve between N8X0 and N900 | 11:36 |
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| alterego | But it's quite nice. | 11:36 |
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| Stskeeps | gave in, alterego? | 11:36 |
| alterego | My brother loaned me his (hesitantly) for a few days so I could do some testing. | 11:36 |
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| alterego | I'm going to wait to see if I get anything out of the DDP first | 11:37 |
| * alterego crosses fingers. | 11:37 | |
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| Stskeeps | if you have luck this late in the process, let me know :P | 11:38 |
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| alterego | Stskeeps: I think Quim is negotiating "key members with low karma" devices ;) | 11:39 |
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| alterego | Though, I'll be lucky if I'm perceived as a "key member" tbh | 11:40 |
| alterego | But I might as well try | 11:40 |
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| Stskeeps | morning andre__ :) | 11:51 |
| dagb | seeing how this channel is fairly quiet now: anyone who cares to provide real-life experiences on battery consumption on the n900? how often do you need to charge it, and how do you use it? | 11:51 |
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| guerby | hmmm is there a way to copy/paste from a received email? nothing I tried works. I didn't even find a way to save a message as text file | 11:52 |
| andre__ | ahoj Stskeeps | 11:53 |
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| adeus | guerby, the only way I've figured out is to reply | 11:55 |
| MohammadAG | guerby, reply then copy from there | 11:55 |
| adeus | and copy from the box | 11:55 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 11:55 |
| guerby | adeus, MohammadAG copy doesn't seem to work when I reply at least with the stylus, did you use keys? | 11:56 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 11:57 |
| MohammadAG | shift + cursors | 11:57 |
| guerby | MohammadAG, ok thanks it works | 11:57 |
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| MohammadAG | np, if only i could get rid of the > | 11:58 |
| tk421 | anyone heard of something that allows me to use keys to switch between screens? | 11:58 |
| alterego | tk421: you mean the "virtual home screens"? | 11:59 |
| tk421 | perhaps | 11:59 |
| tk421 | like ctrl backspace goes back to the apps running | 11:59 |
| tk421 | ctrl up and down could take me to desktop and settings | 12:00 |
| guerby | MohammadAG, timeless_mbp https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5033 | 12:00 |
| povbot` | Bug 5033: Select/Copy text within email is nonintuitive/broken | 12:00 |
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| guerby | still open so no fix expected | 12:00 |
| MohammadAG | why isn't povbot working? | 12:01 |
| MohammadAG | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5033 | 12:01 |
| povbot` | Bug 5033: Select/Copy text within email is nonintuitive/broken | 12:01 |
| timeless_mbp | guerby: um, well, yeah, um | 12:01 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 12:01 | |
| * timeless_mbp works on browser | 12:01 | |
| timeless_mbp | the mail team is different | 12:01 |
| timeless_mbp | heck, i don't know where they live! :) | 12:01 |
| timeless_mbp | i spend more time talking to the MfE team | 12:02 |
| timeless_mbp | they're much more responsive :) | 12:02 |
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| Robot101 | there should be a modest irc channel somewhere, no? | 12:03 |
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| MohammadAG | #modest maybe? | 12:03 |
| guerby | timeless_mbp, BTW on browser do you know how to right click? | 12:03 |
| MohammadAG | hold | 12:03 |
| MohammadAG | yep #modest but it's kinda empty lol | 12:04 |
| MohammadAG | only 3 users there | 12:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | guerby: tap and hold | 12:05 |
| guerby | timeless_mbp, doesn't work on google maps when I activate the "crossed arrow" mode | 12:06 |
| * fcrozat wishes there was a shortcut to close a fullscreen browser window | 12:06 | |
| guerby | don't remember the name in the manual | 12:06 |
| guerby | to have a regular mouse | 12:06 |
| timeless_mbp | fcrozat: ctrl-backspace? tap power key? | 12:06 |
| MohammadAG | guerby, why would you need to right click in arrow mode? | 12:07 |
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| guerby | MohammadAG, to get a context menu in google maps | 12:07 |
| timeless_mbp | guerby: i get that when in normal mode | 12:07 |
| MohammadAG | use it in normal mode | 12:07 |
| timeless_mbp | surely it won't kill you to swap modes | 12:07 |
| MohammadAG | ^^^ | 12:07 |
| fcrozat | timeless_mbp: Ctrl-backspace will return me to applications list (so two keys) and requires sliding keyboard. Isn't power key / terminate a little to much to kill the window ? (I haven't tested) | 12:07 |
| timeless_mbp | fcrozat: yes it | 12:08 |
| guerby | MohammadAG, in normal mode I get "copy image" menu from browser | 12:08 |
| timeless_mbp | it's supposed to be 'close active window' not 'kill the app brutally' | 12:08 |
| guerby | not the context menu from google maps | 12:08 |
| fcrozat | this is a little problematic when using portrait (unsupported) mode with new windows opened (by google reader for instance) | 12:08 |
| MohammadAG | fcrozat, download camerad | 12:08 |
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| fcrozat | MohammadAG: still two clicks :) (but I thought about it and it seems it was causing my n900 to become a little unstable) | 12:09 |
| timeless_mbp | fcrozat: konttori wants to enable the title bar for portrait mode | 12:09 |
| guerby | timeless_mbp, so normal mode tap and hold doesn't work on google maps to get right click | 12:09 |
| timeless_mbp | guerby: WFM | 12:09 |
| timeless_mbp | fcrozat: not sure if we'll manage to get that into the browser too for 1.2 | 12:09 |
| MohammadAG | i prefer the bug to make the n900 go it portrait mode | 12:09 |
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| MohammadAG | at least you get the title bar | 12:10 |
| fcrozat | timeless_mbp: that would be good, but it would still requires two clicks (either portrait or landscape) ;) | 12:10 |
| MohammadAG | and the bottom bar | 12:10 |
| fcrozat | funny, I can't get star to work in google reader iphone view, in portrait mode | 12:10 |
| guerby | timeless_mbp, you get the context menu from google when you leave the stylet on a point for a while? | 12:10 |
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| guerby | I wonder what I do wrong | 12:10 |
| timeless_mbp | guerby: i use my fingernail, but.. | 12:10 |
| timeless_mbp | about 2s | 12:11 |
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| MohammadAG | be sure to see it highlight before holding | 12:11 |
| guerby | for me image blurs then I get "copy image" and "save image as" menu | 12:11 |
| MohammadAG | you might be holding an empty area | 12:11 |
| fcrozat | timeless_mbp: hmm, using power key, it killed all browser windows :( | 12:11 |
| timeless_mbp | guerby: you are using 51-1, right? | 12:12 |
| timeless_mbp | fcrozat: 'oops' ;-) | 12:12 |
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| * fcrozat smells "killall browserd" somewhere :) | 12:12 | |
| guerby | timeless_mbp, 2.2009.51-1 | 12:12 |
| timeless_mbp | fcrozat: nah, that wouldn't work | 12:12 |
| timeless_mbp | more like killall browser | 12:13 |
| timeless_mbp | fcrozat: i'll poke someone about that today | 12:13 |
| fcrozat | is there a "go to top / bottom page" shortcut for browser ? | 12:13 |
| timeless_mbp | no. | 12:13 |
| timeless_mbp | but feel free to file a bug saying that 'close active window' isn't doing what it says | 12:13 |
| fcrozat | kinetic scrolling can be very long sometime :) | 12:14 |
| * fcrozat opens a bug report for the "close active task" | 12:14 | |
| Myrtti | Fun sitting at the lobby, first time on personal business | 12:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | Myrtti: you @nokia? | 12:15 |
| aep | hm, can you disable kinetic scrolling? | 12:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | aep: no | 12:15 |
| Myrtti | Yeah | 12:15 |
| aep | sad | 12:15 |
| guerby | timeless_mbp, well I don't know what I do wrong but I always get the image menu | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | Myrtti: waiting for a lunch mate? | 12:16 |
| * timeless_mbp wouldn't mind dropping by to say hello | 12:16 | |
| * timeless_mbp is 10mins away | 12:16 | |
| Myrtti | I have an appointment of being a guinea pig of some kind :-( | 12:16 |
| * Stskeeps will have a thursday with first a haircut and then dentist. so lovely. | 12:17 | |
| Myrtti | No familiar faces seen yet. Im surprised | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | even though longer hair might be nice to stand finnish winter next week | 12:18 |
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| Myrtti | Hair is overrated | 12:19 |
| fcrozat | filled as bug #8306 | 12:20 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8306 choosing "stop active task" in power menu kills all browser window | 12:20 |
| guerby | timeless_mbp, about: says MicroB 3.6 maemo browser 1.5.6 RX-51 N900 | 12:20 |
| timeless_mbp | guerby: sorry, i just moved aware from 51-1 last night | 12:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | but i know it worked | 12:20 |
| timeless_mbp | one thing i should ask: | 12:21 |
| timeless_mbp | have you installed *any* browser related packages? | 12:21 |
| timeless_mbp | browser user agent changers / forgers | 12:21 |
| timeless_mbp | browser switchboard | 12:21 |
| timeless_mbp | adblock/geoloc/greasemonkey/... | 12:22 |
| frals | Stskeeps: he. also got dentist appointment, next tuesday though. >_< | 12:22 |
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| Stskeeps | frals: i have four wisdom teeth in queue for being taken out, so i hope my dentist doesn't get funny ideas | 12:23 |
| frals | :D | 12:23 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: does future brings something working better? | 12:23 |
| * fcrozat really needs to find time to remap some dead keys to physical qwerty for french accentuated letters | 12:23 | |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: gecko1.9.2 | 12:23 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: nice | 12:24 |
| timeless_mbp | and apparently string changes that i haven't handled | 12:24 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles and goes to figure out which way to handle them | 12:24 | |
| sivang | Stskeeps: I have 2 of them, locked between others, terribly painful | 12:25 |
| timeless_mbp | fcrozat: all i want is a way to replace GBP w/ PIPE | 12:25 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: the proble with the removal is that it damages the jaw structure, and can have side effects at an older age to come. | 12:25 |
| sivang | hey timeless_mbp | 12:25 |
| timeless_mbp | hi | 12:26 |
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| Stskeeps | sivang: mine is pushing out another corner teeth which i really don't want to have damaged too badly as i plan to eat steak for many years to come | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:26 |
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| fcrozat | timeless_mbp: not a bad idea either :) | 12:26 |
| fcrozat | should I fill a enhancement request for Ctrl-Up / Ctrl-Down to go top / bottom of web page ? | 12:27 |
| fcrozat | seems sensible | 12:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | fcrozat: so... | 12:28 |
| sgbirch | How do you find the EXACT source used to build packages released from extras-testing? | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp | up/down don't exist on most keyboards | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp | sgbirch: you don't | 12:28 |
| sgbirch | Id like to look at pwsafe | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp | at least, it doesn't really work that way | 12:28 |
| fcrozat | timeless_mbp: damn.. I forgot | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | for extras, you can find the builder logs | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | and see which packages it pulled in | 12:29 |
| fcrozat | poor users | 12:29 |
| X-Fade | sgbirch: apt-get source? | 12:29 |
| fcrozat | ctrl-left / Ctrl-right then ? (not very pretty) | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | if the package is in 'free' instead of 'non-free', then in general, the sources should be in the repo | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | Error: could not open file for reading, trying lower image quality format!? $@$@$ | 12:30 |
| * timeless_mbp wtfs | 12:30 | |
| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: the source repos dont seem to be set up, apt-get source fails | 12:30 |
| guerby | MohammadAG, do you get the "direction from here" google menu when you're holding the stylus on one point? | 12:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | sgbirch: yeah well, you have to add them | 12:30 |
| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: the reason for this .. I want to know if I can trust pwsafe with bank account numberfs | 12:30 |
| timeless_mbp | /etc/apt.d/sources.list.d/ | 12:30 |
| timeless_mbp | just add a file | 12:30 |
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| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: was that a typo .. should it be /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ (no .d after apt) | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 12:32 |
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| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | well, thougho | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | t | 12:32 |
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| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: would "deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing fremantle free non-free" be correct? | 12:34 |
| timeless_mbp | sounds right | 12:34 |
| timeless_mbp | don't forget to specify the version you care about when you get source | 12:35 |
| timeless_mbp | because you want to check the version you're using, not some other one :) | 12:35 |
| MohammadAG | guerby, lol no, it's not working anymore | 12:35 |
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| guerby | MohammadAG, you get blur then the copy image browser menu? | 12:35 |
| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: hmm .. I didnt realize you had to do that, what is "the other one" | 12:36 |
| MohammadAG | the context menu yes | 12:36 |
| X-Fade | sgbirch: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/pool/fremantle/free/source/ | 12:36 |
| MohammadAG | in arrow mode it doesn't do anything | 12:36 |
| X-Fade | sgbirch: You can browse it with your browser too. | 12:36 |
| timeless_mbp | sgbirch: well, consider that if you install version 1.0 | 12:36 |
| guerby | MohammadAG, ok so you don't get the google context menu "direction from here" etc... | 12:36 |
| timeless_mbp | and then 1.1 is added to the repo, and it has a conflict or something | 12:36 |
| guerby | I wonder what trigger the behaviour | 12:36 |
| timeless_mbp | if you apt-get source, you'll get 1.1 | 12:36 |
| sgbirch | The installed version has a 'f' postfix, was not sure why | 12:37 |
| MohammadAG | nomis, the system context menu | 12:37 |
| * timeless_mbp frowns | 12:37 | |
| timeless_mbp | you guys aren't getting the google maps menu? | 12:37 |
| timeless_mbp | i got it consistently while using 51-1 | 12:37 |
| sgbirch | pwsafe 1.5.5f ... | 12:37 |
| sgbirch | I expected 1.5.5 | 12:37 |
| red | can u guy see this? | 12:38 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, in normal/arrow mode? | 12:38 |
| timeless_mbp | red: no | 12:38 |
| red | damn, registration didn't work | 12:38 |
| guerby | timeless_mbp, I've never been able to get the google context menu whatever I do | 12:38 |
| timeless_mbp | red: if your message is rejected, the irc server will give you an error message | 12:38 |
| guerby | normal mode arrow mode whatever | 12:38 |
| MohammadAG | do i have to be zoomed in or something? | 12:38 |
| timeless_mbp | guerby: i'll have to go find an n900 w/ 51-1 :( | 12:38 |
| timeless_mbp | but this really does work | 12:38 |
| timeless_mbp | i was using it for >1month | 12:39 |
| red | timeless_mbp: it will unless you've hidden most things that show up in status to see relevant stuff easy | 12:39 |
| guerby | timeless_mbp, do you want me to open a bug? | 12:39 |
| timeless_mbp | (on 51-1) | 12:39 |
| timeless_mbp | guerby: no | 12:39 |
| timeless_mbp | red: well, don't do that =b | 12:39 |
| red | timeless_mbp: and well, i've disabled some semi-relevant stuff on the side but cba to tweak | 12:39 |
| guerby | timeless_mbp, uh ok | 12:39 |
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| Hukka | Hey, any debian users around willing to test one thing in pysqlite2? | 12:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | guerby: so, you really don't have any browser addons? | 12:39 |
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| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, it's not working here too | 12:40 |
| guerby | timeless_mbp, absolutely none (I refrained from installing adblock) | 12:40 |
| guerby | (to test the browser) | 12:40 |
| sgbirch | Hukka: would ubuntu be ok? | 12:40 |
| guerby | timeless_mbp, about:plugins says only "default plug-in" | 12:41 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, i'll be in the office w/in about 2hours, i'll hunt for a device and play then | 12:41 |
| Hukka | sgbirch: No, I'm on ubuntu, and I'd like to test if debian has same kind of problem | 12:41 |
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| sgbirch | Hukka: oh .. ok | 12:41 |
| timeless_mbp | guerby: there are extensions, hacks, and plugins | 12:41 |
| timeless_mbp | plugins are unlikely to be interesting | 12:41 |
| timeless_mbp | extensions and hacks are | 12:41 |
| guerby | timeless_mbp, let me check | 12:41 |
| Hukka | sgbirch: There's a bug report that says it's fixed in debian, so I'm wondering if it just hasn't propagated to Ubuntu yet | 12:41 |
| sgbirch | k | 12:42 |
| timeless_mbp | tap the title bar, options(settings?), addons, | 12:42 |
| timeless_mbp | tap the extensions icon | 12:42 |
| pupnik | dammit cavity | 12:42 |
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| guerby | timeless_mbp, atlas default mediaplayer nokia messagebus shockwave | 12:43 |
| bionoid | Anyone else experienced a crazy bug on N900 with device lock on and incoming call while playing music? My phone went absolutely nuts, blinking between the unlock screen, answer call screen and black. I managed to hit answer (without unlocking), but music kept blasting and no audio from the caller. | 12:43 |
| bionoid | I can't seem to reproduce it though :/ | 12:44 |
| guerby | extensions: single sign on ovi | 12:44 |
| guerby | timeless_mbp, nothing else | 12:44 |
| timeless_mbp | ok | 12:44 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, i can't do anything until i get another n900 | 12:44 |
| timeless_mbp | so it'll take 2 hours | 12:44 |
| guerby | timeless_mbp, ok no hurry | 12:45 |
| guerby | I'll be on the road and without 3G until late today | 12:45 |
| Hukka | Grah, the debian package wants python << 2.6. Why?! | 12:45 |
| Hukka | Can't just install it to Karmic | 12:45 |
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| nomis | 12:47 | |
| nomis | eh. | 12:48 |
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| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: still trying to add the source repo, it complains that public key isnt available: 667387BFFF445C24 | 12:51 |
| timeless_mbp | do you care? | 12:51 |
| timeless_mbp | if you do, ask a wiki and decide if you trust the wiki | 12:51 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 12:51 | |
| timeless_mbp | you're being paranoid in a way which is going to fail anyway | 12:52 |
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| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: yes ... its part paranoid but mainly learning curve. I want to learn more about the way the n900 source is stored. | 12:53 |
| timeless_mbp | "in hidden repositories between a build system which is entirely illogical" | 12:53 |
| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: I am thinking of helping port some packages from debian to increase the package count | 12:53 |
| timeless_mbp | useful packages or just stacking the count? | 12:53 |
| * timeless_mbp is still annoyed at someone stacking the CVE count for no good reason | 12:54 | |
| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: hidden repos ... really, are you sure | 12:54 |
| timeless_mbp | sgbirch: most of the maemo5 ui is hidden :) | 12:54 |
| timeless_mbp | the vcs for maemo5 code is generally not public | 12:54 |
| timeless_mbp | sgbirch: my sources for my interesting packages aren't published (i have reasons) | 12:54 |
| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: I am starting to discover that. I cant believe Nokia has come so far ... and dropped the ball | 12:54 |
| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: the n900 could become the ubuntu of phones | 12:55 |
| thresh | oh noes | 12:55 |
| * Stskeeps gets the popcorn | 12:55 | |
| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: by that I mean .. popularity | 12:55 |
| w00t | used by a majority of an overly vocal minority, you mean? | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | sgbirch: so... | 12:56 |
| frals | lol w00t | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | we have way more customers than nokia management knows what to do with | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | c.f. the availability shortage earlier | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | and the perennial server shortages | 12:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What an awful affliction. | 12:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | (death to the dinosaurs) | 12:57 |
| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: you mean production cannot keep up with demand? | 12:57 |
| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: on the hardware side? | 12:57 |
| timeless_mbp | initial production was throttled / limited | 12:57 |
| timeless_mbp | because management didn't think there'd be demand | 12:57 |
| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: lmao | 12:58 |
| timeless_mbp | they got the message, but it takes a bit to fix that (about 2months to get the trickle down i suppose) | 12:58 |
| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: this has the potential to be the best damn phone ever made | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | besides the first phone? | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:58 |
| sgbirch | Stskeeps: Come here watson ... yes | 12:58 |
| * timeless_mbp pokes sgbirch in private | 12:59 | |
| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: but while they fix production shortfalls we can be working on the software | 12:59 |
| timeless_mbp | sgbirch: yeah, hence i'm testing 1.2's browser | 13:00 |
| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: maybe Nokia doesnt realize how productive and FREE a motivated community can be | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | sgbirch: they have several years of experience in that | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | it isn't always pretty | 13:00 |
| * GeneralAntilles is inclined to blame management. | 13:00 | |
| sgbirch | Stskeeps: They are SO close | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | sgbirch: they state 80% open, 20% closed for the platform | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | which is fair, since they have to make money | 13:01 |
| murrayc | andre__: What bugzilla product should I use to file a bug about the swipe-to-close clock. It doesn't show the time when using some themes, because the foreground and background colors are the same. | 13:01 |
| timeless_mbp | murrayc: that'd be a bug in the theme, no? | 13:01 |
| sgbirch | Stskeeps: That is fine, dont have a problem with that | 13:01 |
| murrayc | timeless_mbp: Maybe. But I think apps should be aware of the colors imposed on them by the theme, maybe via platform API. | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | sgbirch: so, what do you mean by ubuntu? :P | 13:01 |
| sgbirch | Stskeeps: I WANT them to make money and dont mind helping for free | 13:02 |
| timeless_mbp | murrayc: and do what, work against the theme? | 13:02 |
| sgbirch | Stskeeps: Even though my day job is integrating software on Ubuntu | 13:02 |
| timeless_mbp | what if a themer *wants* to hide something? :) | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | sgbirch: and what's keeping you? | 13:02 |
| * andre__ wonders what swipe-to-close bug is | 13:02 | |
| Stskeeps | (i'm not here to discuss, i'm here to help you doing so) | 13:02 |
| sgbirch | Stskeeps: Nothing, I am starting up the learning curve | 13:02 |
| red | timeless_mbp: kinda funny about the demand. have a friend still waiting for N900 and he ordered two days later than I did. | 13:02 |
| red | and I've had mine for month and 10 days :) | 13:03 |
| murrayc | timeless_mbp,: I don't know what the documented thing to do is, but I can imagine either a) the theme tells the app what foreground color to use. b) The app discovers the background color and choose an apppriate foreground color. | 13:03 |
| red | 8* | 13:03 |
| andre__ | murrayc: try Desktop / Themes | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | sgbirch: maemo.gitorious.org is always a good place to start :) | 13:03 |
| murrayc | andre__: What if I think that the app should work with all themes? | 13:03 |
| sgbirch | Stskeeps: my first baby step is to set up the apt so I can apt-get source | 13:03 |
| timeless_mbp | murrayc: basically, themebuilder is or whichever template a theme is using is responsible for explaining to themers how things work | 13:03 |
| sgbirch | Stskeeps: git is my friend | 13:03 |
| aep | is the menu hardcoded or can i change that via some config? | 13:04 |
| andre__ | murrayc, actually I still don't know what app you talk about, hence file a ticket with steps, and we'll see :) | 13:04 |
| timeless_mbp | aep: system menu is an xml backed thing | 13:04 |
| timeless_mbp | there's an addon for turning on/off the phone module | 13:04 |
| aep | eww, sounds like not configurable | 13:04 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, it's pluggable | 13:04 |
| sgbirch | Stskeeps: Wow. What is that site for, it looks great | 13:04 |
| timeless_mbp | works quite nicely | 13:04 |
| murrayc | andre__: The clock with the swipe bar when you just press the power key when the N900 is sleeping | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | sgbirch: it's where maemo is openly developed | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | well, one of the spots | 13:05 |
| murrayc | andre__: Which took me weeks to even discover. | 13:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unlock screen. | 13:05 |
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| aep | uh i just got the main menu and more.. displayd the same time. oO | 13:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | aep, known bug. | 13:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | aep, was improved in PR1.1. | 13:07 |
| aep | ok good. | 13:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | But not actually fixed like they asserted. | 13:07 |
| aep | err but how do i make it go away? heh | 13:08 |
| aep | restart i guess | 13:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | bug #6361 | 13:09 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6361 'base' and 'more' applications are visible sametime (messed) | 13:09 |
| aep | thanks | 13:09 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Not registered? :) | 13:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 13:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Win | 13:10 |
| sgbirch | In Nokia still working on the bluetooth issue? seems like the stack still has problems | 13:11 |
| sgbirch | s/In/Is/ | 13:11 |
| infobot | sgbirch meant: Is Nokia still working on the bluetooth issue? seems like the stack still has problems | 13:11 |
| * RST38h reYawns | 13:11 | |
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| sgbirch | what is the correct/recommended way for a user to disconnect a bt device? Should the device simply be powered down or must it be disconnected using the n900 menus first? | 13:14 |
| lcuk | timeless, did i see you embedded in a meeting yesterday | 13:15 |
| sgbirch | I ask because my Nokia bt speakers are a bit temperamental. Id like to just turn them off | 13:15 |
| pekuja | I think the nature of the beast is such that since the devices can't count on a constant connection anyhow, you should be able to just turn them off, I think | 13:16 |
| RST38h | power it down and n900 will disconnect it after a while | 13:16 |
| RST38h | or disconnect it through the top menu | 13:16 |
| pekuja | I mean, for the N900 the result would be the same if you just carried the speakers out of range | 13:16 |
| RST38h | yes | 13:16 |
| sgbirch | ok .. thanks | 13:16 |
| sgbirch | pr1.1 is much better with bt, but not yet perfect | 13:17 |
| lcuk | RST38h, moo! | 13:17 |
| sgbirch | before pr1.1 you could disconnect by just using them :-) | 13:17 |
| RST38h | heya lcuk | 13:17 |
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| RST38h | "I thought i heard somewhere you could charge the n900 using the old nokia chargers through the audio out?" Join datew: Jan 2010 | 13:18 |
| RST38h | Is it me getting older or them getting dumber? | 13:18 |
| lcuk | *blink* | 13:19 |
| aep | tell them you can also charge it by running in circles screaming "IMA CHICKEN" | 13:19 |
| X-Fade | That is a nice way to blow things up ;) | 13:19 |
| alterego | I was thinking to my self, "Wow, the file manager is aweful". But then I thought, actually, it's probably good enough for a normal "user" it's pretty similar to the built in S60 one really. | 13:19 |
| alterego | I'd like it to (when going up) to act more like a back and move the list to where it was before. | 13:20 |
| RST38h | "Haha, that won't work, that would require the audio-jack to have a pin in the middle... And it won't." Join Date: Dec 2009 | 13:20 |
| lcuk | alterego, check for bugs then | 13:20 |
| lcuk | and file if not | 13:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | alterego, by the way, Ah ha ha @ borrowing your brother's N900. | 13:20 |
| Remosi | RST38h, Geniuses! | 13:20 |
| lcuk | RST38h, induction | 13:20 |
| sgbirch | RST38h: Cant you just wire a 3.5mm jack to a wall plug and not bother with a transformer? I am sure that would work. :) | 13:20 |
| RST38h | lcuk: no shit... | 13:21 |
| RST38h | sgbirch: no need for jacks, your body is a good enough electricity conductor | 13:21 |
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| sgbirch | RST38h: lol | 13:21 |
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| hrw | alterego: s60 filemanager is useful. maemo5 one is useless | 13:21 |
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| RST38h | s60 filemanager useful? noooo | 13:22 |
| hrw | alterego: on s60 (v3fp1) I can check all dirs of internal storage and memory card. under maemo5 I cannot go below ~user/ | 13:22 |
| alterego | hrw: you're kidding? The inbuilt S60 filemanager? It's pretty much the same functionality as the maemo one .. | 13:22 |
| RST38h | hrw: But really, why don't you implement your own or port an existing one (like Roxfiler) correctly? | 13:22 |
| hrw | RST38h: thinking of it - time limits | 13:23 |
| RST38h | lots of people will be grateful | 13:23 |
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| alterego | I was going to make a "PowerFileManager" application myself actually. | 13:23 |
| hrw | roxfiler is no no for me. even when I used it I patched half of it out | 13:23 |
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| lcuk | i cant imagine my mum ever needing to browse the contents of /etc or something, let alone explain why she cant do anything with the contents there anyway | 13:23 |
| aep | there is mc for those who like menu thingies | 13:23 |
| hrw | alterego: build pcmanfm? | 13:23 |
| alterego | Yeah, that might work | 13:24 |
| hrw | I wonder will ~user/MyDocs/.umbaumba/ will be shown by maemo5 'files' as Umbaumba dir ;D | 13:24 |
| hrw | and no, I do not want to check it | 13:24 |
| alterego | No, it's not a "special" dir. | 13:24 |
| pupnik_ | file browser not going above MyDocs is a feature | 13:25 |
| hrw | I hate maemo5 special dirs | 13:25 |
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| hrw | pupnik_: I have a dir in ~user/ | 13:25 |
| alterego | pupnik_: I agree, the built in file manager should be "shit" from our perspectives. | 13:25 |
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| RST38h | hrw: just stay away from emelfm please | 13:25 |
| RST38h | hrw: pcmanfm may work well | 13:25 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: hrm | 13:26 |
| timeless_mbp | me, in a meeting | 13:26 |
| timeless_mbp | oh wait, you're around aren't you | 13:26 |
| alterego | Agreed, I'll look into porting it this evening. | 13:26 |
| timeless_mbp | ~let's get together, yeah, yeah, yeah~ | 13:26 |
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| sgbirch | is there a way to make a n900 speak irc traffic as it comes in (using espeak) | 13:28 |
| wazd | heya all | 13:28 |
| timeless_mbp | sgbirch: out of the box the n900 doesn't do irc :) | 13:28 |
| wazd | http://www.kdedevelopers.org/files/images/Screenshot-20100119-141352.png <- eeew | 13:29 |
| timeless_mbp | so you're basically asking "can xchat, pidgin, or some third party addon do it" | 13:29 |
| timeless_mbp | wazd: what's wrong w/ that? | 13:29 |
| lcuk | timeless, heh yeah im here till the end of the week | 13:29 |
| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: I was thinking maybe xchat -> expeak | 13:29 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: did you grab lunch? | 13:29 |
| * timeless_mbp could use lunch | 13:29 | |
| lcuk | yes, too late, lunched already. | 13:30 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: so, that "Phone" is under "Network" in catorize | 13:30 |
| wazd | timeless_mbp: well, looks like a mess :) I'm thinking of writing a blogpost with improvements | 13:30 |
| timeless_mbp | is going to take a lot of getting used to | 13:30 |
| timeless_mbp | wazd: good luck with that | 13:30 |
| timeless_mbp | if this is the same group i'm thinking of | 13:30 |
| timeless_mbp | i sent them feedback and nothing happened | 13:30 |
| timeless_mbp | (tm) | 13:30 |
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| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: yes .. that is correct .. I am asking if xchatm pidgin or some third part addon can do speak irc traffic | 13:31 |
| pupnik | surely irssi can with some plugin | 13:31 |
| * timeless_mbp pokes telepathy/sophia-sip | 13:32 | |
| * timeless_mbp can't hear a ringing tone | 13:32 | |
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| aep | umm where is the users "Audio CLips" directory? (anything that media player finds works for me) | 13:33 |
| timeless_mbp | aep: anything in ~/MyDocs is indexed | 13:33 |
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| Stskeeps | morn javispedro | 13:34 |
| javispedro | morning | 13:34 |
| aep | nice. | 13:35 |
| aep | where is it anyway? ;) | 13:35 |
| timeless_mbp | ~/MyDocs/.audio iirc | 13:35 |
| aep | ah dot oO | 13:35 |
| aep | thanks | 13:35 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry ~/MyDocs/.sounds | 13:35 |
| aep | yeah. just didnt think it has a dot. seeing them all now | 13:36 |
| pupnik | http://chadok.info/darcs/irssi-espeak/espeak.pl | 13:36 |
| timeless_mbp | you can read the irc logs for my explanation of why it is the way it is | 13:36 |
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| pupnik | i have a couple thousand files under ~/MyDocs - do not want it all to be crawled | 13:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | there's a tracker config file you can use to tell it not to look at certain files | 13:39 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders how to find a 'welho' bill in an online system | 13:40 | |
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| timeless_mbp | nice, my card transactions are hidden elsewhere | 13:42 |
| pupnik | looks to me like tracker.cfg does not scann all of MyDocs, but instead specific .* directories | 13:42 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: central metro station is still FUBAR? | 13:43 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: it isn't scheduled to open for a while | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | k | 13:43 |
| timeless_mbp | it was still dead on monday :) | 13:43 |
| * Stskeeps notes himself to take a taxi | 13:43 | |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: from airport? | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | bus from airport, taxi to hotel | 13:44 |
| timeless_mbp | where's your hotel, when do you arrive? | 13:44 |
| timeless_mbp | oh darn, it's lunch time | 13:44 |
| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: I am trying to find your discussion about the n900 dot decision, is there an faq on it? | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | well, i can always walk but at that point i'll be trying to deal with the cold :P | 13:44 |
| timeless_mbp | sgbirch: only in that i've repeatedly explained it here | 13:44 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, which hotel are you in | 13:44 |
| timeless_mbp | i'll probably stick it into my blog someday | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: will be in omena/eerinkatu | 13:45 |
| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: PLEASE!!! Then next time some noob like me asks you can just send the url | 13:45 |
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| X-Fade | Stskeeps: I use that one all the time. Works fine. | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: yeah, my third visit :P | 13:45 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: And free internet now ;) | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: yeah, i noticed that | 13:46 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: And on a good day you can even walk to nrc ;) | 13:47 |
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| RST38h | New Vulture's Eye is out, please, test and vote: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/vultures/2.2.100-1maemo5 | 13:55 |
| Myrtti | fsck | 13:55 |
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| javispedro | hm.. transifex looks nice | 14:05 |
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| xorAxAx | google patented map/reduce | 14:13 |
| xorAxAx | so stop selling software written in functional languages :) | 14:13 |
| Myrtti | meh | 14:14 |
| Myrtti | dear twitter. could you please clean up your act so I can get things over with and go home? | 14:15 |
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| javispedro | xorAxAx: Palm,Inc. has a patent on garbage collection, so .... | 14:19 |
| Shrik3 | ah, software patents | 14:19 |
| Shrik3 | they make life exciting | 14:19 |
| xorAxAx | javispedro: which way of GC? | 14:20 |
| Shrik3 | lessee what the apple vs nokia kerfuffle results in | 14:20 |
| alterego | I have to say, I'm extremely happy with the N900, I wish I had my own now :( | 14:20 |
| javispedro | xorAxAx: actually I just remember it's not about GC but rather plain dynamic memory allocation | 14:21 |
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| alterego | I'm gonna have to give this one back to my brother in a couple of days, I'll probably make an image of what I've setup though in anticipation of me eventually getting my own. | 14:21 |
| xorAxAx | javispedro: ah | 14:21 |
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| wazd | Sonic the Hedgehog: $5.99 for the iPhone | 14:23 |
| Myrtti | fscking twitter | 14:23 |
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| hrw | RST38h: what is it? | 14:24 |
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| javispedro | "According to one embodiment, a method is disclosed. The method includes launching a first application on a handheld device implementing a Palm Operating System (OS), and launching a second application." sigh. | 14:27 |
| xorAxAx | :) | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: could you do me a favour and pull gconftool-2 -R /apps from a SDK that have had the UI running? | 14:28 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: should I run gconf-clean.sh before running the GUI? | 14:28 |
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| javispedro | well, better so | 14:28 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: i need something related to input method so | 14:30 |
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| javispedro | http://pastebin.com/d2ea6d377 | 14:31 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps^^ | 14:31 |
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| javispedro | (fremantle update3) | 14:31 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, lovely | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 14:32 |
| * Stskeeps needs to find a way to petition the opening of the input method as this is getting crazy | 14:32 | |
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| javispedro | and someone's using Gconf as IPC? | 14:32 |
| timeless_mbp | so, about context menu | 14:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | you have to hold shift while you tap and hold | 14:33 |
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| swc|666 | lame | 14:34 |
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| TomaszD | kulve, are you planning on updating your gstreamer decoder packages? PR1.1 brought new gstreamer packages, this might get ugly | 15:45 |
| kulve | TomaszD: at some point yes. I'm waiting for the new maemo servers be up'n'running because it was way too slow to do anything.. | 15:45 |
| TomaszD | kulve, apt-get source works fine in scratchbox here | 15:46 |
| kulve | what about the build machine? | 15:46 |
| pupnik | kulve: would it be unreasonable to request libpulsedsp.so and /dev/dsp? | 15:46 |
| TomaszD | kulve, it just failed on me within a minute, so it works | 15:46 |
| TomaszD | but for some reason it's still using old gstreamer packages...? | 15:47 |
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| kulve | pupnik: I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean..? | 15:47 |
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| pupnik | a number of older linux games expect /dev/dsp to exist, and pulseaudio has a compatibility module for that, except maemo pulseaudio-utils does not have a working one | 15:48 |
| pupnik | we used to use esddsp on N8x0 | 15:49 |
| kulve | pupnik: ah, for some reason I read that /lib/dsp and though you have some DSP stuff for pulseaudio.. ;) | 15:49 |
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| kulve | that doesn't really relate to ogg, however. | 15:49 |
| kulve | I think it would be better to create a separate package for that thing, I guess | 15:50 |
| pupnik | i understand, just remembered that you did some sound work and thought i'd ask | 15:50 |
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| pupnik | building uae4all from scratch takes 3 seconds on my new box | 15:51 |
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| TomaszD | how... how did they build the package in the sdk if the autobuilder fails to build it... | 15:53 |
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| TomaszD | configure: Requested 'gstreamer-0.10 >= 0.10.24' but version of GStreamer is 0.10.23.1 | 15:53 |
| TomaszD | builds fine locally | 15:54 |
| * timeless pokes lcuk | 15:54 | |
| X-Fade | TomaszD: PR1.1 sdk instead of 1.0? | 15:54 |
| TomaszD | X-Fade, yes | 15:54 |
| X-Fade | TomaszD: Autobuilder uses 1.0 | 15:55 |
| TomaszD | X-Fade, when will it start using 1.1? | 15:55 |
| X-Fade | TomaszD: Never. | 15:55 |
| X-Fade | TomaszD: 1.1 is not backwards compatible with 1.0, this needs to be fixed. | 15:55 |
| X-Fade | TomaszD: And is on target for PR1.2 | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: "Backwards compatibility broken PR1.1 SDK" discussion on maemo-developers i think | 15:56 |
| TomaszD | X-Fade, so what is the solution for this at the moment? upload non-free? | 15:56 |
| X-Fade | TomaszD: No, revert to 1.0 | 15:57 |
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| TomaszD | ah, so not do anything then (my changes are specifically for PR1.1 deps) | 15:57 |
| X-Fade | TomaszD: Extras does not support 1.1 specific features at the moment. | 15:57 |
| X-Fade | TomaszD: Check the mailinglist discussion. This is something that needs to be fixed on sdk level. | 15:57 |
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| X-Fade | We reverted to protect users as it causes installation of apps to fail. | 15:58 |
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| TomaszD | I would imagine that there could be a debian/version file like the debian/optify one to tell the autobuilder which SDK release to use, but it's not ideal | 15:59 |
| X-Fade | TomaszD: Again, check discussion :) | 15:59 |
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| TomaszD | alright, I'll take a look | 16:00 |
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| aep | most manuals jump from running the installeer script to using apt, but how do i get apt into this thing? | 16:00 |
| SpeedEvil | it's already there | 16:01 |
| aep | the scratchbox thingy, sorry | 16:01 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 16:01 |
| aep | nope. no such command | 16:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | I need to setup the sb thing | 16:02 |
| SpeedEvil | but meh | 16:02 |
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| aep | i think i'll build my own toolchain.. this is all scary | 16:03 |
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| pupnik | aep: seen MADD? | 16:03 |
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| AndrewFBlack | grrr have to leave channel to set name to AndrewFBlack because of lock | 16:04 |
| aep | pupnik: yes, the installer just quits silently after the license | 16:04 |
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| AndrewFBlack | anyway 24 hours since I posted about maemo.org theme and no replys I´ve never gone so long without someone complaining about a theme of mine | 16:04 |
| pupnik | you forgot to include a bug to see how many people use it | 16:05 |
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| alterego | Anyone use the "Location" desktop widget? | 16:11 |
| alterego | I keep getting errors "Unable to retreive map data" or | 16:12 |
| alterego | something like that. | 16:12 |
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| alterego | Hah, so the N900 shows up as a "Phone" on bluetooth now, lame. | 16:19 |
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| Arkenoi | alterego: it works reasonably good for me | 16:22 |
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| alterego | Doesn't work at all for me :( | 16:25 |
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| alterego | Oh, now it's working .. Weird. | 16:26 |
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| Arkenoi | alterego: it could thake awhile for gps to get position | 16:29 |
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| alterego | Arkenoi: I think it's a network issue. | 16:34 |
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| alterego | Arkenoi: the only difference is now I'm getting the network via an adhoc wireless connection to my laptop | 16:34 |
| lopz | hola ;) | 16:34 |
| alterego | Aloha | 16:35 |
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| MohammadAG_ | err what filesystems does fremantle support? | 16:36 |
| alterego | ubifs, vfat | 16:36 |
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| MohammadAG_ | and vfat is fat32 right? | 16:36 |
| alterego | yeah, and fat, and ext3 | 16:37 |
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| MohammadAG_ | erm, so what parition does it look for first? | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG_ | cause it says memory card not supported | 16:37 |
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| MohammadAG_ | (I'm dual booting mer so I formatted a partition of the card in ext3 | 16:38 |
| alterego | and ext2, nfs msdos and god knows what through fuse :) | 16:38 |
| alterego | Might need to modprobe ext2? | 16:38 |
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| MohammadAG_ | err | 16:39 |
| MohammadAG_ | on my PC it's /dev/sdd1 ext3 | 16:40 |
| MohammadAG_ | sdd2 swap | 16:40 |
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| MohammadAG_ | and sdd3 is fat32 | 16:40 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG_: Probably expects the first partition to be fat32 | 16:40 |
| MohammadAG_ | well I moved it and it stayed as sdd3 | 16:41 |
| MohammadAG_ | repartitioning | 16:41 |
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| pupnik | browsing on n900 and microb is really amazing. it is as fast as my desktop for practical purposes | 16:45 |
| thresh | you seem to be the only one guy who's microb is fast | 16:45 |
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| pupnik | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1226699 thresh, last page i pulled up | 16:47 |
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| alterego | N900 microb runs beautifully for me too. | 16:52 |
| alterego | Such an improvement from N8X0 | 16:52 |
| thresh | it is really slow even compared to firefox | 16:53 |
| alterego | Not for me. | 16:53 |
| alterego | Are you sure it's not your crap internet connection? :P | 16:53 |
| X-Fade | thresh: No way, take a 5 year old pc and use ff there. | 16:53 |
| udovdh | alterego, what is different in hardware (cpu, ram) from n8x0 to n900? | 16:53 |
| alterego | udovdh: a lot :P | 16:54 |
| X-Fade | udovdh: 3 times the power, twice the ram. | 16:54 |
| udovdh | hmm | 16:54 |
| udovdh | also battery life? | 16:54 |
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| alterego | Battery life, for me, seems better. | 16:54 |
| X-Fade | Basically the same. | 16:54 |
| thresh | X-Fade: I do use Celeron M 1.4 on daily basis | 16:54 |
| udovdh | ok... | 16:54 |
| alterego | Yeah, same or better. | 16:54 |
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| X-Fade | If you use it as a tablet. | 16:54 |
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| udovdh | access point usage is different, I guess ;-) | 16:54 |
| alterego | I've mainly been using it as a tablet, I've made 3 phone calls since I borrowed it yesterday morning. | 16:55 |
| X-Fade | thresh: Still no comparison | 16:55 |
| MohammadAG_ | memory card format unsupported :/ | 16:55 |
| thresh | X-Fade: you asked for 5 years old one, i replied :P | 16:55 |
| MohammadAG_ | any advice? | 16:56 |
| X-Fade | thresh: It basically is firefox. | 16:56 |
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| alterego | Is it possible to get the IM to go through a proxy? | 16:58 |
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| ifreq | IM is quite wide protocol range | 17:02 |
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| TomaszD | anyone has any examples of how to use maemo-confirm-text? I don't really know where to put the file to display | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG_ | well dual booting didn't go well | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG_ | nothing happened, it just went into maemo | 17:05 |
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| TomaszD | nevermind, I figured it out I think | 17:06 |
| alterego | Where's the positions of home widgets kept? | 17:06 |
| SplasPood | alterego: I'd like to know that as well... so I can force them into alignment ;) | 17:07 |
| alterego | SplasPood: exactly ;) | 17:07 |
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| alterego | Apparently in gconf | 17:09 |
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| SplasPood | alterego: good to know, hadn't bothered lookin yet.. I'll check it out later.. Thanks! | 17:10 |
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| MohammadAG_ | well sorted the boot menu | 17:11 |
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| MohammadAG_ | but the device shuts down instead of booting up | 17:11 |
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| alterego | SplasPood: gconf path /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/applets | 17:12 |
| tybollt | hmm I had a bizarre incident last night | 17:12 |
| tybollt | the device shut down during the course of the night while hooked to the charger on my nightstand | 17:13 |
| tybollt | funny thing is when I turn it on in the morning as I wake up the bugger has a fully loaded battery | 17:13 |
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| tybollt | so the only reason I can see for it shutting down is software fault... spontaneous such as the device was really not in use | 17:14 |
| tybollt | OR one of my lolcats shut it down... that's probably less likely though ;) | 17:14 |
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| TomaszD | duplicate value for user-defined field `Maemo-Display-Name' | 17:21 |
| TomaszD | wtf | 17:21 |
| vanksi | is there an usable app to browse windows shares in maemo 5 | 17:21 |
| MohammadAG_ | R&D mode cause the sides of the keyboard to light on? | 17:22 |
| MohammadAG_ | nvm N900: The keyboard backlight behind the left and right side of the keyboard flickers in response to system activity. | 17:22 |
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| MohammadAG_ | that scared the hell out of me :/ | 17:22 |
| alterego | Screenshot tool not available for N900? | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | ctrl-shift-p | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG_ | alterego, ctrl shift p | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG_ | beat me to it | 17:23 |
| alterego | Thanks :) | 17:23 |
| alterego | Where does it save it? :) | 17:24 |
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| MohammadAG_ | Stskeeps, I'm trying to boot mer on the N900, followed the instructions to install it and all, but there's one small problem | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG_ | alterego, /home/user/MyDocs/.images/screenshots | 17:24 |
| alterego | Thanks MohammadAG_ | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG_ | or "Photos" | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 17:24 |
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| MohammadAG_ | it says booting from mer (p1 ext3) | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG_ | nothing else happens | 17:25 |
| MohammadAG_ | p1=partition1? | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | show me item file | 17:25 |
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| * MohammadAG_ thinks he didn't change it into partition 2 | 17:25 | |
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| MohammadAG_ | Stskeeps, nano isn't working for some reason | 17:28 |
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| Stskeeps | vi | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG_ | :/ | 17:29 |
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| MohammadAG_ | Stskeeps, I changed the name instead of the ITEM_DEVICE :/ | 17:30 |
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| Stskeeps | k | 17:30 |
| MohammadAG_ | err | 17:30 |
| MohammadAG_ | how do i edit in vim? | 17:31 |
| MohammadAG_ | it only moves the pointer | 17:31 |
| SpeedEvil | i to enter insert mode | 17:31 |
| SpeedEvil | esc to exit | 17:31 |
| MohammadAG_ | and save is? | 17:31 |
| w00t | <esc>:w | 17:31 |
| MohammadAG_ | CTRL S? | 17:31 |
| alterego | http://alterego.metapath.org/images/tablets/Screenshot-20100120-152341.png | 17:31 |
| SpeedEvil | escZZ | 17:32 |
| SpeedEvil | to save | 17:32 |
| alterego | :) | 17:32 |
| w00t | or that | 17:32 |
| SpeedEvil | is easy to hit with the keyb | 17:32 |
| * w00t hearts vim | 17:32 | |
| * MohammadAG_ hates vim | 17:32 | |
| w00t | MohammadAG_: it's all learning curve | 17:32 |
| MohammadAG_ | true, but I find nano easier to use | 17:33 |
| MohammadAG_ | and I haven't found much of a difference between both | 17:33 |
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| w00t | if you try it for a week and read over a few tutorials/cheat sheets, t starts to fit together | 17:33 |
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| MohammadAG_ | well esc isn't doing anything | 17:33 |
| w00t | yes, it does | 17:33 |
| w00t | it takes you into what is called command mode | 17:33 |
| w00t | after that, you have to use a command | 17:33 |
| MohammadAG_ | esc is the on screen button right? | 17:33 |
| TomaszD | can anyone take a look and tell me what's wrong with this http://paste-it.net/public/e3d5165/ | 17:33 |
| TomaszD | duplicate value for user-defined field `Maemo-Display-Name' | 17:34 |
| w00t | hold on and I'll have a try, I haven't actually used it on my n900 yet | 17:34 |
| MohammadAG_ | using vi btw, not vim | 17:34 |
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| w00t | yes, esc is the onscreen key | 17:34 |
| w00t | notice you can't type any more | 17:34 |
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| MohammadAG_ | so it's saved now? | 17:35 |
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| w00t | no | 17:35 |
| w00t | press esc | 17:35 |
| w00t | then, ':w' | 17:35 |
| w00t | without quotes | 17:35 |
| w00t | or ':wq' if you want to save and exit | 17:35 |
| w00t | (or ZZ if it works, but that's not how I do it) | 17:35 |
| MohammadAG_ | assuming it worked | 17:35 |
| MohammadAG_ | shut down | 17:35 |
| MohammadAG_ | how long does it normally take to boot? | 17:36 |
| MohammadAG_ | or does a bootscreen/boot log appear? | 17:36 |
| MohammadAG_ | Stskeeps, looked on wiki.maemo.org | 17:38 |
| MohammadAG_ | # create a missing directory | 17:38 |
| MohammadAG_ | mkdir mnt/initfs | 17:38 |
| MohammadAG_ | this needed? | 17:38 |
| pupnik | same here. I say us :wq foks round up the ZZ folks and move them to eastern europe | 17:39 |
| w00t | pupnik: ^5 | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | ZZ is clearly better on the n900 keyb | 17:39 |
| pupnik | one keystroke less too | 17:39 |
| w00t | your hereticism has been noted and will be dealt with at the nearest opportunity :P | 17:40 |
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| pupnik | what do you miss most in busybox vi? for me it's cl for some reason | 17:40 |
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| w00t | don't know, I've (thankfully) not experienced it a lot | 17:41 |
| microlith | proper indicators that you've changed mode | 17:41 |
| pupnik | oo there was a lightweight bsd vi around here | 17:41 |
| microlith | and arrow keys that work :> | 17:41 |
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| w00t | pupnik: nvi? | 17:41 |
| w00t | i'd rather poke my eyes out with a fork. | 17:41 |
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| * w00t is forced to use that on occasion due to work and really, really wishes he didn't have to | 17:42 | |
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| pupnik | gqview_2.0.1-1_armel.deb hehe | 17:43 |
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| jebba | hmm, still reports of repo outages. | 17:47 |
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| jebba | pupnik: you build that? gqview rules :) | 17:47 |
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| pupnik | yeah ages ago. i like it too. it has practical keyboard shortcuts | 17:48 |
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| jebba | pupnik: in the repo though? i dont see it. | 17:49 |
| alterego | You know, the more I think about it, the more I think portrait mode is pointless except on contacts and dialler. | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG_ | how do i check the partitions on the microSD from the N900 itself? | 17:50 |
| alterego | MohammadAG_: df -h | 17:50 |
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| MohammadAG_ | alterego, it doesn't show all partitions | 17:51 |
| MohammadAG_ | just the mounted ones | 17:51 |
| pupnik | no jebba just my personal build | 17:51 |
| jebba | why not submit it? | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | sfdisk -l, MohammadAG_ | 17:52 |
| MohammadAG_ | "no initfs \o/" ??? | 17:52 |
| pupnik | too stupid to make proper deb source packages | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG_: rd mode | 17:53 |
| MohammadAG_ | I'm in it | 17:53 |
| pupnik | i was looking for my 'vi' build tho | 17:54 |
| MohammadAG_ | thought the keyboard backlight got screwed | 17:54 |
| jebba | heh. pupnik in the dir where you made binary deb, just run: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -uc -us -sa or similar | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | unless you have very good reason, you shouldnt be in rd | 17:54 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps, anything odd here http://paste-it.net/public/e3d5165/ ? | 17:54 |
| MohammadAG_ | Stskeeps, mer | 17:54 |
| TomaszD | also, could you remind me of that link from yesterday about sprinting? | 17:54 |
| alterego | Hrm, is there a page with all the keyboard shortcuts for maemo, like ctrl+shift+p ? | 17:56 |
| yuizy | alterego: don't you use the device while you're walking or in a bus etc? | 17:56 |
| yuizy | (related to portrait mode) | 17:56 |
| alterego | yuizy: sure, I also still have two hands when I'm walking and on the bus :P | 17:57 |
| aep | any idea which package dns_sd.h is in? i installed everything avahi related i could find | 17:57 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 wonders if there's any comprehensive description of properties of RD, beyond 'you have root without installing rootsh' | 17:57 | |
| pupnik | doesn't work without hacking/breaking debian/* | 17:57 |
| alterego | I prefer getting root by installing openssh | 17:58 |
| yuizy | for me it's much easier to hold the device with one hand when walking, otherwise i have to look down | 17:58 |
| pupnik | other hand must hold pants up? | 17:58 |
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| yuizy | yeah | 17:58 |
| TomaszD | buy a belt? | 17:59 |
| yuizy | :) | 17:59 |
| tybollt | other hand is busy w/ fap(n)? | 17:59 |
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| pupnik | obviously it is easier, walking with two hands held rigid is awkward | 17:59 |
| yuizy | yeah i fap while walking on the streets | 17:59 |
| yuizy | and in bus too | 17:59 |
| alterego | Sure, but how long are you going to actually be holding it? | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: you got any idea about that 'secondary BL' and other fuzzy foo fund in flasher options | 17:59 |
| yuizy | alterego: for a long time if you're chatting actively with someone | 18:00 |
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| pupnik | jebba - maybe there's an older debian repo i should use for source packages, like from 2005? | 18:00 |
| alterego | yuizy: then it's pretty dangerous moving around and chatting to someone like that :P | 18:01 |
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| jebba | pupnik: it's often easy to base a package on etch, but it's nice to have the latest version of a package too. | 18:01 |
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| yuizy | not if holding the device with only one hand | 18:01 |
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| alterego | jebba: it's less effort to packport ubuntu packages tbh | 18:01 |
| pupnik | jebba: do you have debhelper 7 in sdk? | 18:02 |
| yuizy | you can keep it up and while chatting you can lok forward too | 18:02 |
| alterego | yuizy: I don't see how that makes you any safer. | 18:02 |
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| alterego | Hrm, not convinced. I wouldn't be chatting (using the keyboard anyway) whilst moving much. | 18:02 |
| yuizy | looking forward? | 18:02 |
| pupnik | i'd like to compile and submit something to extras - anything - that i don't have to hack | 18:02 |
| alterego | I migsend a text, maybe an IM, but if I was in a serious conversation I wouldn't keep walking about. | 18:02 |
| jebba | pupnik: just change 7 to 5 in control and echo 5 > debian/compat | 18:03 |
| tybollt | walking is one thing | 18:03 |
| pupnik | and that won't break builder? | 18:03 |
| tybollt | as long as you don't text/chat while driving a motor vehicle | 18:03 |
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| jebba | pupnik: i haven't seen it break anything yet. | 18:04 |
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| pupnik | thanks jebba | 18:06 |
| jebba | np | 18:07 |
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| alterego | Do people find the double power tap easier than flicking the lock button? | 18:11 |
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| mtnbkr | alterego: I do. Since it is almost where my thumb naturally fits, and can be done one-handed | 18:12 |
| alterego | Hrm, I find it easier because my index finger is usually there when I'm about to put it away. | 18:13 |
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| alterego | It seems like the lock switch is in a realy unusual place for me. It makes it pretty hard to use imo | 18:13 |
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| mtnbkr | yep... I agree It's kind of an un-natural two-handed downward sliding motion. But then again< i am still getting used to me "phone" being used in landscape more almost all the time because my "phone" is really an Internet Tablet.. :) | 18:14 |
| mtnbkr | s/more/most/ | 18:15 |
| infobot | mtnbkr meant: yep... I agree It's kind of an un-natural two-handed downward sliding motion. But then again< i am still getting used to me "phone" being used in landscape most almost all the time because my "phone" is really an Internet Tablet.. :) | 18:15 |
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| alterego | mtnbkr: yeah, is this your first tablet? It actually seems pretty natural to me but then this is my third | 18:15 |
| alterego | To me it's a computer, which has the ability to make mobile phone calls | 18:16 |
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| alterego | Hell, I even forget I'm texting and not IM'ing, good job I've got unlimited text messages ^.^ | 18:16 |
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| ShadowJK | I use the lock switch all the time | 18:17 |
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| ShadowJK | my finger seems | 18:17 |
| mtnbkr | alterego: yeah, all my previous phone were phones with INternet tacked on - then my last phone was iPhone so I am still getting used to (and loving) the slide-out k/b on the N900 whereas I used to avoid landscape mode on iPhone 'cause the virtual k/b covered too much of the screen | 18:17 |
| ShadowJK | to be right there when i slip n900 into pocket | 18:18 |
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| ShadowJK | the gereat thing is that there's more than one way to do things :) | 18:19 |
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| mtnbkr | ShadowJK: agreed | 18:19 |
| tybollt | it's unix! | 18:19 |
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| pupnik | for getting things done, n900 layout is superior to anything else i've seen | 18:28 |
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| ShadowJK | Brits must be overjoyed with the charger port placement | 18:29 |
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| ShadowJK | I noticed in car that since I am on the right, and the charger port is in the left, but the car's cigarette lighter socket is on the right.... | 18:29 |
| ShadowJK | uh | 18:29 |
| ShadowJK | since I am on the left, of course | 18:29 |
| ShadowJK | It's like optimized for brits who drive on the right side | 18:29 |
| ShadowJK | ... sitting in the right side, driving on left side of road | 18:29 |
| mtnbkr | ShadowJK: usb/charger placement on N900 is one of my peeves... sticks out and UP if you are suing phone... kind of silly. | 18:30 |
| mtnbkr | using | 18:30 |
| pupnik | palm pre looks nice, but keyboard layout and screen viewing is cramped. iphone hardly bears mentioning. nor does windows mobile | 18:30 |
| ShadowJK | the USB port is on the side on my E75 ;) | 18:30 |
| hugokernel | hello | 18:31 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: Better yet: put N900 into your pocket headphones socket up | 18:33 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Now quickly pull it out by the cord: how will the portrait mode look like? | 18:33 |
| RST38h | ---> home | 18:33 |
| ShadowJK | Well I usually use hand to take out phone from pocket, and that makes portrait mode come right way up | 18:34 |
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| ShadowJK | This was annoying with my older E75, where headphone port was on top, and when I had it in pocket with headphone port upwards, it was upside down when I took it out.. | 18:34 |
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| alterego | I wonder if I can use /etc/bluetooth/rfcomm.conf on the N900 to bind it to my Bluetooth RS232 converter | 18:40 |
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| dotblank | alterego: I really would like to find that out | 18:45 |
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| dotblank | what program would you use to read the rfcomm0 device | 18:46 |
| dotblank | ? | 18:46 |
| tg | hoi | 18:47 |
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| tg | is the microphone supposed to work with flash player in the browser? | 18:48 |
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| alterego | dotblank: probably just python, but I'd need pyserial. Actually, I'd use ruby | 18:49 |
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| alterego | The serial stuff is in the ruby dist which is in extras-testing | 18:49 |
| dotblank | ah ok | 18:49 |
| dotblank | would be very cool to get that working. Makes my job easier | 18:50 |
| alterego | dotblank: I was thinking of just using getty on a listening port so I could access the tablet's console via bluetooth | 18:50 |
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| Arkenoi | libqt4-webkit 51000 blocks omfg | 18:50 |
| dotblank | I would use it to program cisco devices | 18:50 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:50 |
| alterego | I plan on using it to control CCTV cameras :) | 18:50 |
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| alterego | And debugging serial protocols. | 18:51 |
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| mtnbkr | hmmm what's the easiest way to get album art in maemo media player? | 18:55 |
| anunakin | Flandry: Hi man! | 18:55 |
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| alterego | dotblank: (stty <serial configuration>; echo "blah") < /dev/rfcomm0 > /dev/rfcomm0 | 18:56 |
| alterego | That'd work :) | 18:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ./me wonders if Nokia could have considered building a 'stylus-in-bay switch'. Would be handy for a small reminder app so you don't lose that friggin expensive plastic shit | 18:59 |
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| alterego | DocScrutinizer51: with an RFID tag and reader built in so you know it's yours and it's still close? ;) | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lol | 19:00 |
| zaheerm | and with an extra 10 quid to pay | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | actually a switch or reflex IR fotodetector like for cam lid slider is more like 10ct | 19:01 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer-8: i once had this idea to add such a switch to my newton, but never did that | 19:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | for Nokia it's 20ct now, as the'll have to pay 10ct royalty to me per device ;-P | 19:02 |
| cehteh | lol | 19:04 |
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| cehteh | i sue you for prior art .. i had this idea in 1995 with my newton | 19:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | prove it :-P | 19:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | irc logs are on my side :) | 19:05 |
| cehteh | too bad i didnt implement it | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | too bad Nokia didn't implement it | 19:06 |
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| xorAxAx | cehteh: dwimd could handle the switch polling :) | 19:08 |
| xorAxAx | if moving and not styles: force(alarm, on) :) | 19:08 |
| xorAxAx | s/les/lus/ | 19:08 |
| infobot | xorAxAx meant: if moving and not stylus: force(alarm, on) :) | 19:08 |
| cehteh | a magnet on the stylus which holds it in bay, turns a switch and might even be used to use the stylus to pick up skrews would be nice | 19:08 |
| xorAxAx | moving plugin for dwimd is finished | 19:09 |
| cehteh | nice | 19:09 |
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| cehteh | do you interpolate like i suggested? | 19:10 |
| xorAxAx | i am using a maximum likehood estimation | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: ok. now you earned your share. 5ct me, 5ct you :-D | 19:10 |
| xorAxAx | no, what did you suggest? | 19:10 |
| cehteh | old=(old+new)/2 on each iteration | 19:10 |
| xorAxAx | DocScrutinizer51: will you be using dwimd as well, the environment sensing gestalt optimizer for the n900 ? | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | never heard of it | 19:10 |
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| xorAxAx | no, i am calculating the maximum likely hood variance | 19:11 |
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| xorAxAx | on 8 samples | 19:11 |
| cehteh | mhm | 19:11 |
| alterego | Anyhow, time to go to the pub. | 19:11 |
| xorAxAx | DocScrutinizer51: its brand new | 19:11 |
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| xorAxAx | DocScrutinizer51: currently in the works | 19:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | sounds interesting | 19:11 |
| cehteh | 8 samples in a row or rolling buffer every 30 sec (or whatever the possing interwal is?) | 19:11 |
| xorAxAx | # planned inputs: | 19:12 |
| xorAxAx | # gps, time, weekday, load, location, orientation | 19:12 |
| xorAxAx | # charging, playing, display, locked | 19:12 |
| xorAxAx | # planned outputs: | 19:12 |
| xorAxAx | # availability, profile, cellular, secure, lock, wifi | 19:12 |
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| xorAxAx | DocScrutinizer51: and then you write a tiny python program that connects these inputs to the outputs | 19:12 |
| cehteh | i think you can just one sample each time you wake up | 19:12 |
| cehteh | interpolate that with the last one .. store the values .. and see if we shaken | 19:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | planned inputs += noise level. planned outputs += execute arbitrary cmd | 19:13 |
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| cehteh | if cpu wont be so expensive it would be nice to have a ongoing accelerometer sampling and do a fft over that | 19:13 |
| cehteh | then you can actually do pattern matching and find out what kind of movement happens | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | planned inputs += ringing | 19:13 |
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| cehteh | (or tag the road surface while doing osm mapping automatically :P) | 19:14 |
| cehteh | rinnging is to transient | 19:14 |
| cehteh | we only poll infrequently | 19:14 |
| cehteh | well maybe adding events .. so rinning could be implemented | 19:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | don't poll! catch dbus signals | 19:15 |
| cehteh | notification pending could be a input | 19:15 |
| cehteh | well some things have to be polled | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | others not | 19:15 |
| cehteh | i am all after events .. but many things cant be | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sounds good | 19:15 |
| cehteh | if we have events we can do the polling in one rush when its close to its deadline | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but I have to run now | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | bbl | 19:16 |
| cehteh | would be nice if the accelerormeter could send interrupts on attitude changes | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: they can | 19:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | err it can | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | (this not FR. only one gmeter ;) | 19:17 |
| cehteh | mhm | 19:17 |
| cehteh | is this programmable or can one set up watches for that? | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the chip is programmable | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no idea what maemo made of it | 19:18 |
| cehteh | yes but that likely interferes with the os .. you need some service to do that in a controlled way | 19:18 |
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| cehteh | i know that it has tap-recognition | 19:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | how do I uninstall bootmenu? | 19:19 |
| cehteh | and most accelerometers can generate interrupts on on freefall or such | 19:19 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | For those of you with more devices than fingers, Proporta have started selling Wildcharge(r) http://www.gadgetoid.com/2010/01/20/wild-charger-wireless-charging-pad-review/ | 19:19 |
| cehteh | but i dont know if attitude changes can generate interrupts and how this can be programmed | 19:19 |
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| cehteh | would meed maemo support anyways | 19:20 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | Although I tend to use Powermat more, because it looks prettier | 19:20 |
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| xorAxAx | re free fall, i wonder whether somebody has broken his device while playing n900fly already | 19:22 |
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| cehteh | didnt used my shell :) | 19:23 |
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| AndrewfBlack | anyone take a look at this and give any help you have. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=484637#post484637 | 19:23 |
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| zaheerm | TomaszD, ping | 19:35 |
| xorAxAx | how do you do dbus debugging? | 19:35 |
| xorAxAx | i am currently setting up gabriel to use d-feet locally | 19:35 |
| xorAxAx | because X forwarding doesnt work for me | 19:35 |
| saltsa_ | how to change calc fw in ati85, it's now ti-it | 19:37 |
| saltsa_ | ti-85 | 19:38 |
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| tybollt | saltsa_: corerct me if I'm wrong but I think the firmware used is compile time | 19:42 |
| tybollt | saltsa_: so you'll have to recompile the entire pkg | 19:42 |
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| lbt | so I got the OTA ssu available the other day and just tried to install it... | 19:57 |
| lbt | not enough space - shocker | 19:58 |
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| lbt | so I apt-get remove the qt4 libs and it insists on installing some of the upgrades | 19:58 |
| lbt | OK, fine | 19:58 |
| lbt | so now it still won't install and : Need to get 64.9MB of archives. | 19:59 |
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| lbt | is it even possible to get 65Mb free on / ? | 19:59 |
| matthew- | on rootfs u mean ? | 19:59 |
| lbt | yes | 19:59 |
| SpeedEvil | are you installing using HAM? | 20:00 |
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| lbt | no longer available in HAM | 20:00 |
| SpeedEvil | well - with HAM - it worked with only 40M | 20:00 |
| SpeedEvil | though that doesn't actually help you a whole lot | 20:00 |
| lbt | when I tried HAM it mentioned >60Mb | 20:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | Well - 44M IIRC | 20:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | certainly well less than 60 | 20:01 |
| lbt | what's the maemo5 package called? | 20:01 |
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| MohammadAG | having a problem atm | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lbt: Pr1.1 update HAM stated some 80MB of space needed. Worked fine with 45M free though | 20:05 |
| MohammadAG | how do i flash initfs only | 20:05 |
| lbt | DocScrutinizer51: any recollection of the packagename to use apt-get ? | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: --initfs-only or similar | 20:06 |
| MohammadAG | it's not in -h | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | apt-get won't work I've been told | 20:06 |
| lbt | I don't think an "apt-get upgrade" is right | 20:06 |
| lbt | hmm | 20:06 |
| lbt | great | 20:06 |
| MohammadAG | oh found it | 20:07 |
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| MohammadAG | apt-get dist-upgrade? | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: in the flasher.tgz there's been a quite comprehensive readme | 20:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | or manpage | 20:08 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, any idea where the bootloader is? | 20:10 |
| MohammadAG | nolo/kernel/initfs/rootfs/cmt | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | err where where? | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nolo is the bl | 20:10 |
| lbt | so About product shows 1.2009.44-1 and HAM offers no upgrade | 20:12 |
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| chem|st | can someone tell why no f*** company is delivering outside UK? | 20:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~help-update | 20:12 |
| infobot | methinks help-update is http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting | 20:12 |
| lbt | DocScrutinizer51: ta | 20:13 |
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| chem|st | "Mainland and islands without TAX free islands" | 20:13 |
| chem|st | well ire... but thats it | 20:13 |
| MohammadAG | brb | 20:13 |
| AndrewfBlack | Any Python or QT People want to take a look at this and point me in right direction? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41567 | 20:14 |
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| ShadowJK | lbt, apt-get uses more disk space than ham ;/ | 20:14 |
| destinal | ham doesn't take much disk space | 20:15 |
| destinal | it's hard to digitize ham, however, or other pork products | 20:16 |
| bfree | as the new account finally synced across I've added my "right handed" brainstorm, thumbs up welcome ;-) https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=4526 | 20:16 |
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| lbt | ShadowJK: *nod* | 20:17 |
| lbt | the wiki page makes sense though | 20:17 |
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| xorAxAx | does anybody know how i can change the acctive connection with dbus? | 20:26 |
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| xorAxAx | cehteh: hehe, there is an dbus address com.nokia.profiled | 20:27 |
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| cehteh | xorAxAx: no i dont know, but i expected to scrap other apps which do such things ad-hoc like the celluar switcher and so on | 20:30 |
| cehteh | use the source luke ... or RTFM .. whatever you favor | 20:30 |
| xorAxAx | indeed, i could monitor the bus while selecting another profile | 20:31 |
| cehteh | thats cheating :) | 20:31 |
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| cehteh | heh how about a generic daemon and forget all about this input and output stuff? .. monitor bus and have bayes filter and just a gui with a punish and a reward button? := | 20:33 |
| timeless | hey | 20:33 |
| timeless | about catorize | 20:33 |
| timeless | is "All" supposed to show *all* applications? | 20:33 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders what else it would do. | 20:34 | |
| timeless | not show Browser for one ... | 20:34 |
| cehteh | did you uninstalled it? | 20:34 |
| timeless | no | 20:34 |
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| AndrewfBlack | Any Python Programmers that want to make a few bucks helping me with my program, PM me | 20:37 |
| Arkenoi | what is catorize? something like mymenu? | 20:37 |
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| bfree | I see now the link I gave above was useless but this "works": http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/right_handed_popup_menus | 20:38 |
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| timeless | andrewfblack: is there some useful output i could provide for bug 8328? | 20:39 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8328 all isn't showing All applications (especially the former main screen apps) | 20:39 |
| xorAxAx | cehteh: too much noise on the bus, i use the strings solution :) | 20:39 |
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| AndrewfBlack | timeless, Thats Jaffa not me wrong Andrew :) | 20:41 |
| zaheerm | X-Fade, did the ssh keys not get transferred from old garage to new one? | 20:41 |
| X-Fade | zaheerm: drop.maemo.org | 20:41 |
| andre__ | timeless: I assume that killing one browser window in Fremantle by design kills all windows and that this is not changeable, right? | 20:41 |
| X-Fade | zaheerm: replace garage with drop in your dput config. | 20:42 |
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| timeless | andre__: i'm not sure actually | 20:42 |
| zaheerm | X-Fade, thx, working :) | 20:42 |
| timeless | it depends on just how stupid both sides are | 20:42 |
| timeless | ah | 20:42 |
| timeless | it's a lie | 20:42 |
| timeless | it isn' close active window | 20:42 |
| timeless | it's close active application | 20:43 |
| timeless | try it with Conversations | 20:43 |
| timeless | if you want to file a bug, it's against hildon desktop or whatever for lying | 20:43 |
| timeless | because it clearly isn't doing what it claims to do in the string | 20:43 |
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| * fcrozat guess andre__ is trying my bug report from this morning :) | 20:43 | |
| timeless | someone claimed it was polite, but i guess that means it just says "dear app, please die now, or i kill you, unless you do something clever," | 20:43 |
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| fcrozat | q/trying/triaging/ | 20:44 |
| timeless | fcrozat: in the future, please test against a logical comparitive app | 20:44 |
| andre__ | fcrozat, oh yeah :-D | 20:44 |
| timeless | thankfully there typically is one | 20:44 |
| timeless | in this case, conversations | 20:44 |
| timeless | although, perhaps that's a bad sample | 20:44 |
| * timeless wonders if there are any others | 20:44 | |
| fcrozat | timeless: well, I didn't fill it against the browser ;) | 20:44 |
| Arkenoi | anyone here using bt headset with volume buttons - do they work? if no, is there a bug at bmo for it? | 20:44 |
| timeless | oh, godo :) | 20:44 |
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| timeless | arkenoi: my bt headset is w/ the bt guys | 20:45 |
| timeless | from memory, headset volume buttons affect internal applification | 20:45 |
| timeless | not system | 20:45 |
| fcrozat | correct | 20:45 |
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| fcrozat | (I wish play / pause / next / previous were working on my BT headset :( | 20:45 |
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| timeless | andre: sorry, no clue | 20:46 |
| andre__ | anybody knows some kind of a "Backlight Brightness" app / widget in Extras? | 20:46 |
| andre__ | timeless, np | 20:46 |
| timeless | roughly speaking,t he platform doesn't really support multi windowed applications | 20:46 |
| timeless | and it certainly doesn't encourage them | 20:46 |
| timeless | which is kinda ironic | 20:46 |
| zaheerm | X-Fade, is there a lag between uploading to drop and package appearing in the build queue? | 20:47 |
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| xorAxAx | are there python bindings for libconic? | 20:47 |
| zaheerm | python-conic | 20:47 |
| andre__ | fcrozat, it's "End current task" and I'd consider the complete browser a task. What's the french translation saying? | 20:48 |
| xorAxAx | zaheerm: thanks | 20:48 |
| Arkenoi | timeless: i ajusted volume on my e90 and system was always in sync with headset buttons | 20:48 |
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| Arkenoi | tried two different headsets | 20:48 |
| Arkenoi | hs-12w and bh902 | 20:49 |
| fcrozat | andre__: "Arrêter la tâche en cours" | 20:49 |
| ShadowJK | timeless, it's feature complete with windows, it asks if you want to whack firefox too when it hangs, and then it whacks all of them :-D | 20:49 |
| andre__ | Arkenoi, there are a few bluetooth bugs at b.m.o, yeah | 20:49 |
| timeless | shadowjk: firefox doesn't use windows | 20:49 |
| timeless | it uses tabs | 20:49 |
| andre__ | hmm, tâche... a wonderful vague term :) | 20:49 |
| timeless | which works around this confusion | 20:49 |
| fcrozat | andre__: I was looking for an easy way to close fullscreen window window too much interaction | 20:49 |
| fcrozat | (specially in portrait mode) | 20:49 |
| timeless | andre: i presume that means 'task' | 20:49 |
| ShadowJK | timeless, tabs and windows :-) | 20:50 |
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| andre__ | yeah | 20:50 |
| timeless | i'm going to change my translation | 20:50 |
| ShadowJK | or are multiple windows removed now in recent versions? | 20:50 |
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| timeless | i was told | 20:50 |
| timeless | shadowjk: Firefox for mobile = Fennec | 20:50 |
| timeless | it doesn't use windows, just tabs | 20:50 |
| ShadowJK | right | 20:50 |
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| timeless | i was told... that it would send a message to close the current window | 20:51 |
| timeless | i think the person who told me this was either misinformed or lying | 20:51 |
| ShadowJK | Oh you are talking about the power button menu thing, not the one that appears whenever apps hang | 20:51 |
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| timeless | yes | 20:51 |
| X-Fade | Does anybody know berjan or is he here? | 20:51 |
| timeless | although i suppose it's possible the person talking to me was similarly confused | 20:51 |
| timeless | although i sure hope not | 20:52 |
| timeless | i try to be very explicit when dealing with people | 20:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | timeless: looking for a true multiwindow app? xchat (there open preferences). I'd say this is an app with 2 windows | 21:05 |
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| ShadowJK | you can also detach tabs through some a magic incantation of keyboard shortcuts | 21:07 |
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| ShadowJK | I do it accidentally all the time :/ | 21:08 |
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| RST38h | Ahhahahahaha: http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/15/electrosensitives-to.html | 21:10 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 21:10 |
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| RST38h | Chronic lack of proper medication. | 21:11 |
| timeless | docscrutinizer2: try using the power key's close active window menu item on the xchat preferences window | 21:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless: did that | 21:11 |
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| timeless | what happened? | 21:12 |
| xorAxAx | jebba: can you compile your modules for the current kernel? | 21:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | here it's 'aktuelle Aufgabe beenden' so 'task' not window. And task is the whole process | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | i.e. killed xchat | 21:13 |
| alterego | there's no alt :( | 21:13 |
| timeless | 'task' is very ambiguous in English | 21:13 |
| alterego | i can't change tabs in irssi | 21:13 |
| timeless | it can mean anything | 21:13 |
| timeless | and thus shouldn't really be used | 21:14 |
| ShadowJK | alterego, esc 1 | 21:14 |
| ShadowJK | esc 2 | 21:14 |
| ShadowJK | etc | 21:14 |
| ShadowJK | esc is on the status line thing in xterm | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless: 'Aufgabe' in German is even rather nonsense | 21:14 |
| timeless | i can't say i'm surprised | 21:14 |
| timeless | GiGo | 21:14 |
| alterego | christ, that's a finger twister O_O | 21:15 |
| yuizy | you don't need to press them simultaneously | 21:15 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 would be happy to find a device to help him finish current 'Aufgaben' ;-P | 21:15 | |
| yuizy | first esc, then number | 21:15 |
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| alterego | oh, bad visual feedback :P | 21:16 |
| ShadowJK | esc atleast used to stay highlighted | 21:16 |
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| blackxored | hello guys maemo on e65 impossible right? | 21:17 |
| alterego | that's weird. I've lost the pointer icon that switches scrollVselect | 21:17 |
| RST38h | right | 21:17 |
| zaheerm | blackxored, is the e65 a touchscreen? | 21:18 |
| alterego | Is that because of the screen session? | 21:18 |
| alterego | heh | 21:18 |
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| blackxored | zaheerm, no, AFAIK :P | 21:18 |
| alterego | maemo is a touch os | 21:18 |
| zaheerm | blackxored, means even if you did get it ported, most of the UI you wouldn't be able to use | 21:18 |
| ShadowJK | blackxored, yes there's no info available on how to boot other operating systems on the S60 phones, and Maemo requires touchscreen anyway :) | 21:18 |
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| red | even if you got it to work, you would lack touch screen operationality and it would be slow as hell | 21:19 |
| X-Fade | zaheerm: We run 1.0 sdk. | 21:19 |
| alterego | Also, I told you all this last night | 21:19 |
| jebba | xorAxAx: i haven't bothered with the pr1.1 kernel yet due to changes in the flasher. Hopefully starting in a couple days i'll dive into all that again. | 21:19 |
| matthew- | hey | 21:19 |
| blackxored | ok now let me ask you something i want to run some linux apps there, that's all I want, there's an easy way? | 21:19 |
| matthew- | After apt-get upgrade | 21:19 |
| matthew- | apt-get update | 21:19 |
| xorAxAx | jebba: cool | 21:19 |
| matthew- | i lost like 30 mb on rootfs | 21:19 |
| zaheerm | X-Fade, explains the problems i'm having :) | 21:20 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: so, maemo4 and older almost worked on touchscreenless systems | 21:20 |
| matthew- | can i delete cache ? | 21:20 |
| matthew- | the apt cache i mean ? | 21:20 |
| alterego | blackxored: no easy way if you're not a programmer | 21:20 |
| X-Fade | zaheerm: Yeah, the backwards incompatibility thing blocked upgrade. | 21:20 |
| kuriiri | hmm | 21:20 |
| blackxored | alterego, and if I am ??? ;) | 21:20 |
| kuriiri | anyone using butterfly? | 21:20 |
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| zaheerm | X-Fade, yah understood, i just made the package dep on earlier versions now, fingers crossed | 21:20 |
| red | then you wouldn't probably be asking here :) | 21:20 |
| ShadowJK | timeless, maemo4? really? I can bring up the app menu somehow? :) | 21:21 |
| alterego | blackxored: but youzmreobviously not | 21:21 |
| zaheerm | kuriiri, i use the pecan msn plugin | 21:21 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: if you have an app or two already running | 21:21 |
| blackxored | alterego, why are you assuming that? Yes I am | 21:21 |
| timeless_mbp | you can use the hardware home key to do some work to get to the app launcher | 21:21 |
| timeless_mbp | the trick was to get the first app or two up | 21:21 |
| kuriiri | mine stopped working today | 21:21 |
| blackxored | alterego, ruby/python and java/c# currently, although I've stepped through a lot of languages | 21:21 |
| timeless_mbp | which iirc one could try to do by using the hardware menu key to get to help or something | 21:21 |
| blackxored | I'm also debian and ubuntu developer | 21:21 |
| ShadowJK | I can only get to desktop or to open-app switcher with it | 21:22 |
| kuriiri | butterfly i mean, network error | 21:22 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: press the left arrow once | 21:22 |
| timeless_mbp | then press up | 21:22 |
| timeless_mbp | you press up a couple of times and land at the tap for a parent | 21:22 |
| blackxored | alterego, so, what can I do??? | 21:22 |
| timeless_mbp | then press right | 21:22 |
| timeless_mbp | that walks you into a menu | 21:22 |
| timeless_mbp | to fire something, use the center of the dpad | 21:22 |
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| ShadowJK | Maybe one could use a bluetooth mouse | 21:23 |
| blackxored | so guys, how can i get linux on my phone???? | 21:23 |
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| zaheerm | blackxored, buy an n900 | 21:23 |
| woglinde | jo | 21:23 |
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| blackxored | zaheerm, I'm in cuba, I wish I could, they're priced like houses in here, *if* you can find one | 21:24 |
| woglinde | blackxored oh cool | 21:24 |
| zaheerm | blackxored, smuggle it in from florida ;) | 21:24 |
| woglinde | even inet isnt cheap in cuba I read somewhere | 21:25 |
| blackxored | woglinde, I don't think I've realized what's cool | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: there's NOLO and then 2nd (x-loader) i think | 21:25 |
| blackxored | oh guys don't do it again, we cubans chat | 21:25 |
| blackxored | also I said I'm a Debian and Ubuntu developer | 21:25 |
| blackxored | but that doesn't mean I'm excort of limitations :P | 21:25 |
| woglinde | from cuba? | 21:25 |
| woglinde | cool | 21:25 |
| blackxored | yes cuba | 21:26 |
| blackxored | whois me | 21:26 |
| woglinde | debconf in cuba | 21:26 |
| blackxored | ok, back to focus | 21:26 |
| blackxored | yeah right | 21:26 |
| woglinde | okay | 21:26 |
| blackxored | I wish | 21:26 |
| blackxored | how can either a) get linux on my e65 b) get another phone | 21:26 |
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| woglinde | e65b forget it | 21:26 |
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| woglinde | only symbian | 21:27 |
| blackxored | woglinde, so that let's me with b | 21:27 |
| blackxored | sadly :'( | 21:27 |
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| woglinde | n900 its only linux-phone device so far from nokia | 21:27 |
| woglinde | maybe other nxx will follow | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: yep. any more detailled info about all that? | 21:27 |
| woglinde | but thats rumor | 21:27 |
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| blackxored | ok | 21:28 |
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| blackxored | so let's assume I just want a n900 | 21:28 |
| blackxored | how in the earth I'm gonna get that | 21:28 |
| X-Fade | zaheerm: Worked a lot better ;) | 21:29 |
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| woglinde | blackxored smuggle | 21:29 |
| zaheerm | X-Fade, yep thx for the tip | 21:29 |
| boren | blackxored: order one from eurpoe? | 21:29 |
| ShadowJK | how do you get E65 in Cuba anyway :-) | 21:29 |
| woglinde | hi x-fade | 21:29 |
| zaheerm | blackxored, become friends with raul castro and ask him not to block import :) | 21:29 |
| X-Fade | zaheerm: 61 second build for 2 archs, not bad. | 21:29 |
| woglinde | ShadowJK eh right good point | 21:29 |
| blackxored | guys don't maket his political | 21:29 |
| zaheerm | X-Fade, yah it is compiling like 2 files i think | 21:29 |
| blackxored | s/maket/make this | 21:29 |
| woglinde | x-fade autobuilders now at pr 1.0 again? | 21:29 |
| boren | or canada... | 21:29 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: yes. | 21:30 |
| blackxored | boren, I can't do that | 21:30 |
| woglinde | x-fade okay thanks | 21:30 |
| blackxored | woglinde, probably | 21:30 |
| woglinde | blackxored have you cdma or gsm in cuba? | 21:30 |
| blackxored | woglinde, we got *only* gsm | 21:30 |
| woglinde | order from europe | 21:30 |
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| blackxored | woglinde, and it will get here?? umm I'm reluctant to believe that | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | woglinde: US N900 is gsm too | 21:31 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer-8, but US companies aren't allowed to trade with Cuba | 21:32 |
| blackxored | DocScrutinizer-8, I think he was talking with regulations in mind :P | 21:32 |
| woglinde | blackxored sorry dont know | 21:32 |
| X-Fade | There is only one N900 and that is a GSM one. | 21:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yep, but smuggling a lot easier ;) | 21:32 |
| ShadowJK | theoretically european companies are allowed, but the US kinda ignores that and makes life for them difficult anyway | 21:32 |
| X-Fade | So order from anywhere, just watch out for keyboard layouts ;) | 21:32 |
| woglinde | x-fade I already know | 21:32 |
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| blackxored | X-Fade, england will work for me then??? | 21:33 |
| woglinde | you could order from russia maybee | 21:33 |
| ShadowJK | And then I don't know about the Cuban side of things, whether there are restrictions on that end.. | 21:33 |
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| blackxored | what's it's exact price??? | 21:33 |
| woglinde | around 500 euros now | 21:33 |
| woglinde | without shipping | 21:33 |
| blackxored | and with shipping | 21:33 |
| blackxored | ???? | 21:33 |
| woglinde | lol | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | with VAT! | 21:33 |
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| woglinde | neither shiped something to cuba | 21:33 |
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| xorAxAx | so you want to make the customs officer happy and make a large gift for him? :) | 21:34 |
| blackxored | guys I'll have to make some money :P | 21:34 |
| guido_g | obviously | 21:34 |
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| woglinde | xorAxAx hm I dont know what the customs in cuba does or is | 21:34 |
| blackxored | ok I won't spam but developing, pentest, linux administration, whatever you hear about that throw him to me :P | 21:34 |
| blackxored | is a pain anyways | 21:35 |
| blackxored | I think the best way is to someone bring it | 21:35 |
| woglinde | hm | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yup | 21:35 |
| woglinde | and the custom? | 21:35 |
| woglinde | if it catches me with the device | 21:35 |
| woglinde | I maybee get jailed | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | forget custom for cellfones on your pocket | 21:35 |
| blackxored | no there are no restrictions on mobile imports, or computer-related devices | 21:35 |
| blackxored | they've relaxed that | 21:36 |
| blackxored | for our sake | 21:36 |
| woglinde | oh | 21:36 |
| woglinde | cool | 21:36 |
| blackxored | and you're talking about a phone dude, not about a mac :P | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | bbl | 21:36 |
| woglinde | he its as cool as a mac | 21:36 |
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| woglinde | you can connect it to beamers | 21:36 |
| blackxored | woglinde, yes but the mac is bigger :P, don't loose my point | 21:37 |
| woglinde | and it has fm-transmitter | 21:37 |
| woglinde | is fm-transmitter allowed in cuba? | 21:37 |
| guido_g | nope, more cool then a mac! ]:-> | 21:37 |
| blackxored | guido_g, +1 | 21:37 |
| blackxored | woglinde, radio??? | 21:37 |
| guido_g | yes | 21:37 |
| blackxored | emisor??? | 21:37 |
| woglinde | jupp | 21:37 |
| guido_g | your keyboard is broken | 21:37 |
| woglinde | you cann connect it to your car-radio | 21:38 |
| blackxored | I'll have to ask into that, can't tell for sure | 21:38 |
| * simula is itching for madde qt-creator integration | 21:38 | |
| woglinde | or the car-radio to its freqeunz | 21:38 |
| woglinde | simula madde? | 21:38 |
| simula | https://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE | 21:38 |
| woglinde | args | 21:38 |
| woglinde | sorry | 21:38 |
| woglinde | I overread madde | 21:38 |
| woglinde | in your line | 21:39 |
| woglinde | I know what madde is | 21:39 |
| simula | is mad cross-compiling only, or will it also support debugging on a phone connected to your dev workstation? | 21:39 |
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| boren | simula: cross compilers normally support gdb | 21:40 |
| simula | boren, i'm wondering if an n900 plugged into my linux box will trigger a break-point on my linux box while it's running :) | 21:41 |
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| boren | simula: ever used gdb-remote? | 21:42 |
| simula | nope, cool :) | 21:42 |
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| keesj | is it something like gdbserver? | 21:43 |
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| woglinde | jo wazd | 21:44 |
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| blackxored | woglinde, yes it's allowed | 21:46 |
| wazd | reheya all | 21:46 |
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| blackxored | the radio stuff | 21:46 |
| wazd | woglinde: hi | 21:46 |
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| ivan4th | simula: last time I needed to debug something on n900 I used insight there (built on scratchbox from cvs sources) via X11 forwarding | 21:49 |
| * AndrewfBlack is looking for help with a Python/Qt Application to access t.m.o | 21:49 | |
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| woglinde | ivan4th I coppied debug stuff from sdk and gdb package from harald | 21:50 |
| matthew- | Is there ANYONE helping here:? | 21:51 |
| matthew- | a) it would be nice to know how to remove the redalert theme | 21:51 |
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| cehteh | ivan4th: C/C++? | 21:52 |
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| cehteh | i recently ported my debugging library to maemo, but its not much tested and not packaged | 21:52 |
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| woglinde | cehteh which debug library? | 21:53 |
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| BadRobot | Hello | 21:54 |
| cehteh | http://lumiera.org/nobug_manual.html | 21:54 |
| BadRobot | How r our maemo community going? | 21:54 |
| * konttori is looking at the callui buttons in the theme template and shakes his head in disbelief of what some designers have done | 21:54 | |
| * konttori just cannot believe it no matter how many times he has seen it | 21:55 | |
| w00t | konttori: people are idiots, it's official! | 21:55 |
| w00t | :P | 21:55 |
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| konttori | so true | 21:55 |
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| BadRobot | Any good themes for maemo 5 which doesn't mess up my phone? | 21:55 |
| matthew- | or how to manage themes ? | 21:56 |
| matthew- | is there any directory i can delete them from ??? | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | konttori: any particular feature? (just pondering what's wrong) | 21:56 |
| BadRobot | Those which comes with the phones is ugly as hell | 21:56 |
| timeless_mbp | konttori: oh | 21:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | did i complain that hildon-desktop doesn't support wrapping app names? | 21:57 |
| konttori | BadRobot: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/7258/nuvofre_1.05_all.deb | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: doesn't it just cut them off? | 21:57 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: which sucks | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: "Install Bootman", yes | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:58 |
| BadRobot | How do i install , deb files in this device? | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | er, Bootmen | 21:58 |
| timeless_mbp | ??? | 21:58 |
| AndrewfBlack | BadRobot, Look for maemo.org theme in extras-testing | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: Install bootmenu gets cut into Install bootmen | 21:58 |
| konttori | Stskeeps: well, they have different button graphics than any other button, for no reason. That would be understandable. What is not that they have 10 different buttons, which only have different width in them. | 21:58 |
| konttori | well, 2 of those are red as well. | 21:58 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 21:59 |
| konttori | in total, they have 22 pixmaps for different buttons that all look alike | 21:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | complaining about how to make your theme work in various places? | 21:59 |
| konttori | (and 2 are red) | 21:59 |
| * AndrewfBlack wonders if konttori is talking about him? | 21:59 | |
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| timeless_mbp | AndrewfBlack: the phone icon | 21:59 |
| timeless_mbp | which has 22 aspect ratios | 21:59 |
| timeless_mbp | for one object | 21:59 |
| konttori | no, I'm talking about the theme template graphics | 21:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | which makes themere's life hell | 22:00 |
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| konttori | yeah, well, only 9 aspect ratios, some of those 22 pixmaps are pressed variant of the 9. | 22:00 |
| slonopotamus | err... | 22:01 |
| BadRobot | Hi i am back. So how I install a .deb file on my n900 ? | 22:01 |
| slonopotamus | fremantle terminal can only open 4 windows???? | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: low amount of ptys | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | to save memory | 22:02 |
| slonopotamus | ... | 22:02 |
| konttori | BadRobot: open xterm | 22:02 |
| slonopotamus | craaap! | 22:02 |
| konttori | type: sudo gainroot | 22:02 |
| konttori | dpkg -i <filename> | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: same issue on gentoo, kernel issue | 22:02 |
| BadRobot | What is the password? | 22:02 |
| konttori | BadRobot: if you don't have root access, install first rootsh | 22:02 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, i hate when software tries to be smarter than me. | 22:02 |
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| konttori | (using application manager) | 22:02 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, any sysctl to increase it? :) | 22:03 |
| * RST38h fixed goddamn genesis emulator | 22:03 | |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: not sure | 22:03 |
| RST38h | EXT.W broken | 22:03 |
| AndrewfBlack | konttori how come you never put your themes in extras? | 22:03 |
| * Stskeeps checks | 22:03 | |
| BadRobot | Ok i will try, kiitos | 22:03 |
| dotblank | There is a genesis emulator? | 22:03 |
| matthew- | so awesome that no one gives a fuck here. | 22:03 |
| konttori | AndrewfBlack: I am saving for the time I can make the src with one button | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-increase-pty-session.html | 22:04 |
| konttori | now I would need to type one line in xterm | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | matthew-: themes are packages like any other | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | matthew-: you remove them in application manager | 22:04 |
| AndrewfBlack | konttori ok | 22:04 |
| matthew- | Stskeeps: they are not there | 22:04 |
| matthew- | that's why im asking about it | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | matthew-: the default ones may not be | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | well | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | or at least removable | 22:05 |
| matthew- | it's one i installed from maemo.org | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 22:05 |
| * AndrewfBlack has been begging people on install themes from deb or over ftp to device | 22:05 | |
| Stskeeps | matthew-: which theme? | 22:05 |
| AndrewfBlack | matthew-, was it in deb or did you have to move files over ftp? | 22:05 |
| matthew- | Stskeeps: Red Alert | 22:05 |
| matthew- | AndrewfBlack: deb | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | matthew-: looking.. | 22:06 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, yay! it works :) | 22:06 |
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| matthew- | Stskeeps: appreciated. | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | matthew-: and it doesn't show in Uninstall? | 22:06 |
| matthew- | nope | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | matthew-: for what it is worth, that theme does -not- come from maemo.org extras | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:06 |
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| matthew- | Stskeeps: I know. | 22:07 |
| matthew- | also, i've got icon called 'close debian' in my desktop -> More | 22:07 |
| matthew- | and i dont have an idea what that is | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | that's from easy debian | 22:07 |
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| matthew- | now to purge it? | 22:08 |
| matthew- | i deleted easy debian ;d | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | matthew-: the way you remove it is sudo gainroot, sudo dpkg --purge redalert | 22:08 |
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| Stskeeps | err | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | sudo gainroot, dpkg --purge redalert | 22:08 |
| matthew- | BUT! | 22:08 |
| matthew- | dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove redalert which isn't installed. | 22:08 |
| matthew- | Stskeeps: I do use google _a lot_ before I start asking here :) | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | matthew-: i hope so :P | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | matthew-: ls -l /usr/share/themes and pastebin.com | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | +it | 22:09 |
| matthew- | yeah ive got drwxrwxrwx 15 user root 2344 Jan 11 01:45 redalert | 22:09 |
| matthew- | there ;-) | 22:09 |
| matthew- | http://pastebin.com/m6346dec6 | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | matthew-: seems like prerm failed | 22:10 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, it only rm -r's | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | matthew-: what happens if you rm -r /usr/share/themes/redalert ? | 22:10 |
| AndrewfBlack | Stskeeps, I think problem is guy who made that theme is just modifiying other themes and know tell what package name is | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | AndrewfBlack: nah, this seems like a old theme maker bug | 22:11 |
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| Stskeeps | matthew-: does it error or something? | 22:13 |
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| BadRobot | I am trying to intall this theme. But it says file not found | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | matthew-: (please help me debug the issue) | 22:15 |
| matthew- | wait a sec | 22:16 |
| BadRobot | I have saved it to downloads in the main phone memory. How could someone help? | 22:16 |
| matthew- | Stskeeps: ok, rm -rf fixed it | 22:17 |
| BadRobot | ... Sorry i meam could someone help? | 22:17 |
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| BadRobot | ...Mean | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | matthew-: .. wasn't what i asked you | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | matthew-: what happens if you 'just' rm -r it :) | 22:17 |
| AndrewfBlack | BadRobot, you need to go to what ever directory you save it in is it in MyDocs? | 22:17 |
| matthew- | oh, i didnt. | 22:18 |
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| matthew- | i always force it :) | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | matthew-: try rm -r /usr/share/icons/redalert | 22:18 |
| AndrewfBlack | BadRobot, if so cd /home/user/MyDocs then your other command | 22:18 |
| matthew- | rm: cannot remove '/usr/share/icons/redalert': No such file or directory | 22:18 |
| matthew- | :> | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | eh :P | 22:18 |
| matthew- | Stskeeps: Sowwie :) | 22:18 |
| matthew- | BUT, what are the Emacs, Raleigh, alpha themes? | 22:19 |
| BadRobot | I have saved it to N900/downloads | 22:19 |
| matthew- | they're not in my Theme manager | 22:19 |
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| matthew- | BadRobot: then cd /home/user/MyDocs/.downlaods/ | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | matthew-: meh, okay | 22:19 |
| BadRobot | Thx | 22:19 |
| matthew- | Stskeeps: What are the other themes? | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | konttori: if theme maker doesnt rm -rf in prerm in the debian packages it might be a good reason to | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | matthew-: alpha is one of the default themes | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | Raleigh and Emacs.. gtk crap | 22:20 |
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| konttori | Stskeeps: what should it rm? | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | konttori: currently it rm -r /usr/share/themes/themename, but it seems like not being enough | 22:20 |
| matthew- | isn't /usr/share on rootfs? | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | it should be rm -rf | 22:20 |
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| Stskeeps | konttori: matthew experienced a theme that didn't disappear when removed | 22:21 |
| konttori | Stskeeps: enough for what? | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | konttori: for removing the theme contents that postinst puts there | 22:21 |
| matthew- | Stskeeps: isn't /usr/share on rootfs? | 22:21 |
| konttori | Stskeeps: really? why didn't it remove? | 22:21 |
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| konttori | because it would have needed the -rf? | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | konttori: not sure, but it seems it didn't for matthew | 22:21 |
| konttori | ok, adding the -f there | 22:22 |
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| Stskeeps | matthew-: yes, and some things are OK having on rootfs | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | there's a heuristic so | 22:22 |
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| matthew- | :-) | 22:22 |
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| Stskeeps | matthew-: it makes sense if you read postinst. | 22:22 |
| konttori | damn, themes are not working on pr1.2 correctly on the new virtual keyboard, as it has changed pixmap names for the buttons. I hate that we have million different buttons. | 22:22 |
| matthew- | Stskeeps: yeah, i understand | 22:23 |
| RST38h | konttori <-- teasing | 22:23 |
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| matthew- | Stskeeps: and i understand having it there makes sense, but i would get rid of the things that are useless, and that would make sense too, right? | 22:23 |
| matthew- | http://pastebin.com/m2f861692 | 22:23 |
| matthew- | have a look | 22:23 |
| matthew- | emacs and Raleigh can be deleted, should I leave the rest? | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | matthew-: maybe GTK will break if they are removed. | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | theyre tiny. | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | like, what, 40 kb total | 22:24 |
| matthew- | mhm | 22:24 |
| konttori | prerm+="rm -rf /usr/share/themes/"+themeFolder+"\n"; | 22:25 |
| konttori | prerm+="rm -rf /usr/share/icons/"+themeFolder+"\n"; | 22:25 |
| matthew- | true | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | konttori: thanks | 22:25 |
| konttori | Stskeeps: looks about right, no? | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | right | 22:25 |
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| matthew- | and any idea on how to get rid of the Exit debian thing? | 22:25 |
| konttori | next release will have that. | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | matthew-: /usr/share/applications/ somewhere | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | matthew-: and report it as a bug | 22:26 |
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| matthew- | also, http://pastebin.com/m8e6065b | 22:26 |
| matthew- | Stskeeps: yeah i am | 22:26 |
| matthew- | also, Nokia-N900-42-11:/usr/share/applications# find / -name debian | 22:27 |
| matthew- | /etc/dpkg/origins/debian | 22:27 |
| matthew- | so how should i know what's the name of it ? | 22:27 |
| matthew- | :) | 22:27 |
| matthew- | Stskeeps: removing easy-chroot make the Exit Debian dissapear | 22:29 |
| matthew- | damn, weird. | 22:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Is it possible to make - if you have change-page-tap activated - it not activate on a stroke that activates the 'leave fullscreen' button? | 22:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | RST38h: fbreader | 22:32 |
| matthew- | oh oh , and anotther thing! | 22:33 |
| matthew- | well, 2 things :) | 22:33 |
| pronto | now that we have a working TV remote app, we need one that just will cycle though lots of tv turn off codes :D | 22:33 |
| matthew- | but let me go to google first with them | 22:33 |
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| BadRobot | dkpg not found | 22:39 |
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| matthew- | :o | 22:39 |
| matthew- | ok fixed it. | 22:40 |
| red | http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/01/11-year-old_writes_iphone_app_donates_proceeds_to_charity.php | 22:40 |
| red | lol :) | 22:40 |
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| matthew- | http://n900.2hands.co.uk/ | 22:43 |
| matthew- | I found it, for people using MAC's | 22:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I got no MAC yet. Always access my media via semi anonymous protocol ;-) | 22:46 |
| matthew- | :-) | 22:46 |
| matthew- | Mac's :) | 22:46 |
| matthew- | shish | 22:46 |
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| matthew- | where should I report an application bug? like the 3G/2G mode selector | 22:49 |
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| matthew- | i think then 3G is activated it also should enable 2G if 3G is not available | 22:49 |
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| frals | doesnt it have the dual mode matthew-? | 22:50 |
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| frals | i recall a discussion about something similiar, and the point of the "3G" mode is to only use 3g, and if its not available nothing at all | 22:50 |
| matthew- | frals: Nope | 22:50 |
| matthew- | frals: its EITHER 3G or 2G | 22:51 |
| matthew- | no both | 22:51 |
| matthew- | and well, 3G doesnt support 3.5G either | 22:51 |
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| xorAxAx | mine has a dual mode | 22:53 |
| xorAxAx | there seem to be at least 2 | 22:53 |
| matthew- | xorAxAx: you mean the application ? | 22:53 |
| xorAxAx | 2 selectors | 22:53 |
| matthew- | xorAxAx: '3G/2G Mode Selector' application ? | 22:53 |
| xorAxAx | well, its not an app but a status bar widget | 22:53 |
| matthew- | yes, the widget | 22:54 |
| matthew- | doesnt allow me to choose Dual Mode | 22:54 |
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| RST38h | "Quanta says it's building a "smartbook" device with a 3.5-inch touchscreen, with voice calling and web browsing the primary functionalities." | 23:00 |
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| plastun | after my app have been installed, app item will appears in Main menu with icon like app-manager and only after reboot icon shows normal. What the matter? | 23:26 |
| VDVsx | plastun, N900 ? | 23:27 |
| plastun | 810 | 23:27 |
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| VDVsx | you need to update the icon cache | 23:27 |
| wazd | plastun: forget bout n810 :D | 23:27 |
| plastun | how to do this? | 23:28 |
| VDVsx | 1 sec | 23:28 |
| wazd | plastun: you have n900 anyway :P | 23:28 |
| ifreq | anyone know howto clear default media player cache for good? ive got 3 albums which keep coming back on filelist even they are removed everytime by hand (and the files do not exists) | 23:28 |
| plastun | wazd, I can't :) | 23:28 |
| thresh | i have the similar stuff on n900 | 23:28 |
| jebba | chem|st: i'm not missing them. I deliberately don't have them there. | 23:28 |
| plastun | wazd, but there are still many people with n810, what about them& say 'bye-bye'? | 23:28 |
| wazd | plastun: yep, screw these loosers :D | 23:29 |
| plastun | ^) | 23:29 |
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| thresh | wazd: don't you have one? :) | 23:29 |
| wazd | thresh: I have n800 :P | 23:29 |
| VDVsx | plastun, wiki search is falling on me again, I'll pastebin a script for you | 23:29 |
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| plastun | VDVsx, ok | 23:29 |
| ifreq | can anyone answer to my question regarding media player cache? | 23:30 |
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| Proteous | ifreq: not sure | 23:31 |
| VDVsx | plastun, you don't need all of these, but is fancier, line 13 onwards takes care of the menu-location: http://pastebin.com/m5e7c7d81 | 23:31 |
| VDVsx | replace bluemaemo by your app name | 23:32 |
| VDVsx | place this script under /debian as postinst | 23:32 |
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| plastun | ok, I'll try. thanks | 23:33 |
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| chem|st | jebba: I dont get it... mirror is mirror and not mirror but without | 23:35 |
| VDVsx | plastun, please notice that icon-cache was dropped in maemo5 (Pr1.1) | 23:35 |
| chem|st | jebba: well its private I guess... | 23:35 |
| chem|st | nevermind I'll ask someone at my university | 23:35 |
| VDVsx | plastun, and menu-location was dropped in maemo5 (all versions) :) | 23:35 |
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| ifreq | Proteous: cant find anything related to this so its a bit annoying recopy music into library.. and notice 3 albums come back everytime.. empty :P | 23:36 |
| plastun | and how icon updates processes in maemo5? | 23:36 |
| VDVsx | plastun, since pr1.1 you got a nice blue square :p | 23:36 |
| VDVsx | *get | 23:36 |
| plastun | yes | 23:36 |
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| wazd | the one who coded maemo 5 theme colors | 23:39 |
| wazd | I oficially hate you | 23:39 |
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| plastun | wazd, why? | 23:42 |
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| wazd | plastun: cause he's a *really* funny guy | 23:43 |
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| wazd | plastun: or she | 23:43 |
| ifreq | Proteous: seems tracker-processes -r does the hard reset | 23:43 |
| ifreq | :) | 23:43 |
| plastun | ? | 23:43 |
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| wazd | plastun: he used same color for font color and font shadow color same time | 23:44 |
| wazd | plastun: more than that, he did it twice | 23:44 |
| PhonoN900 | ifreq: i just popped in, but does that mean i can run that command (only) and hard reset my n900? | 23:45 |
| wazd | plastun: http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=6118&d=1264014617 <- white font, red shadow | 23:45 |
| ifreq | PhonoN900: ah no, its related to default media player | 23:45 |
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| ifreq | This will kill all Tracker processes and remove all databases | 23:45 |
| wazd | plastun: http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=6120&d=1264014730 <- red font white shadow | 23:45 |
| ifreq | PhonoN900: i have some dead songs on my database so needed to remove those | 23:45 |
| PhonoN900 | gotcha, thanks | 23:45 |
| plastun | wazd, true! | 23:46 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: well, we can always fork the layout | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | if it's a really nasty bug | 23:48 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: well, it's not that nasty but it's definitely stupid :D | 23:49 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: I can solve this problem, but I can't cure the brain :) | 23:49 |
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| chem|st | jebba: how do you sync your mirror? | 23:50 |
| wazd | oh damn! | 23:50 |
| wazd | No, he's really stupid! | 23:50 |
| wazd | http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=6113&d=1264013098 | 23:50 |
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| wazd | Now I can't make it black! :D | 23:51 |
| wazd | are they kidding? :D | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: a lot of the stuff can be customized though | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | which is another trip down the rabbit whole | 23:52 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: yeah, but seriously | 23:52 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: what the hell :) | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/h/hildon-theme-layout-5/hildon-theme-layout-5_0.13.2-1+0m5.tar.gz , look in rc/ | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | and data/ | 23:52 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: yes, but I really want to know what evil mind has done all this stuff | 23:53 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: might be people sitting in this channel :P | 23:53 |
| ifreq | humm | 23:54 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: maybe they can come up with any same explaination :) | 23:54 |
| ifreq | tracker-processes -r doesnt remove empty songs/albums *sigh* | 23:54 |
| wazd | sane* | 23:54 |
| ifreq | after reboot i see them again | 23:54 |
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