IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2010-01-20

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woglindewith kernel 2.6.29 from moblin00:00
Stskeepsjebba: but it's all flushed out now00:00
Chikudoes adblock is for meamo basic browser?00:00
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ChikuI 'installed adblock and I don't it anywhere00:00
jebbaodin_: I can use ftp on the SDK box. I don't have ftp client in the scratchbox, but i dont know why offhand it wouldn't work. Just exit the scratchbox if it's not working within it (not a NAT issue)00:01
jebbaStskeeps: as of when? the posts keep coming.00:01
odin_jebba, works outside (which will do me), from inside I use "wget" that works ftp:// schems00:01
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jebbano clue why it doesnt work within scratchbox00:02
Stskeepsjebba: where? i don't see any new ones00:02
jebbathought i saw some on talk.mo but maybe i'm just lagging.00:02
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Stskeepsjebba: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html#t2010-01-19T20:06:07 it started at, X-Fade picked it up immediately, fixed it00:04
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Chikusomeone installed adblock?00:06
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wolf^Chiku, yes, it does work, but it's hard to configure00:09
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Chikuwhere is adblock after installation?00:09
wolf^don't know/don't care00:10
wolf^you can try to copy your adblock configuration from pc to n90000:10
wolf^look into /home/user/.mozilla/microb00:10
wolf^works for me00:10
odin_Chiku, you mean how do you configure it/remove it ?   I have this same issue with "Load Applet"00:10
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__ibzhi, does anyone know the differences between the various image variants? usa vs middle east & north africa vs global?00:10
odin_language, legal, radio frequence capability/requirement differences ?  (would be by guess)00:11
Shrik3keyboard layout?00:12
__ibzodin_: ok, so if you have a us device, but using it in europe, you would use global not usa?00:12
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* Arkenoi impressed people today with ussd widget: see, this thing is just a couple of scripts and a few mniutes to set up, can you do that on wm, android, or, haha, iphone?00:12
odin___ibz, well I would also guess different specific versions of hardware are also shipped to different parts of the world too00:12
odin___ibz, not just visible keyboard layout changes, other things might be different00:13
ShadowJKarkenoi: this is why I like maemo :)00:13
Shrik3Arkenoi: united studios of self defence widget or what?-)00:13
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__ibzhmmmn, so what image *should* i use, there is no guidance on the tablets-dev.nokia.com webpage..00:14
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Chikuwolf^, does mean this file patterns.ini ?00:14
thomaz__ibz, i reflashed mine with the global image, seems ok so far00:14
wolf^Chiku, yes, that one00:15
odin___ibz, I would hope is there are real hardware difference, the flasher will refused to flash something that plainly won't work.. but that is a hope!00:15
Chikuok I will try it00:15
ArkenoiShrik3, a simple script that requests account balance from cellular operator and shows the result in a small widget00:15
Shrik3ah00:15
odin_Shrik3, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unstructured_Supplementary_Service_Data00:15
__ibzi'm going to try global first...thanks odin_, thomaz00:16
odin_you know the "phone" bit of the device, that you would have expected Nokia to be shit hot on00:16
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odin_but instead support for things every other phone has may never by part of the N90000:16
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Arkenoiwell, we already have MMS (though a bit tricky to set up) and USSD (not well-integrated), what else do we miss? voice dial?00:17
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__ibzodin_: are you saying maemo will never mature as a phone OS, or that by the time it does, n900 will likely not be supported (e.g maemo 6)?00:18
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Arkenoii think PR1.2 will be good enough for a phone OS00:19
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GeneralAntillesStskeeps, hmm?00:19
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: nm00:21
Stskeepsjust messing about with a intel graphics device so00:21
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Chikuabout repository is I added devel so I don't need testing right?00:27
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timeless_mbp__ibz: fwiw, i work at nokia and don't know anything about the different images00:31
timeless_mbpwe didn't really know they existed00:31
prontoi'm having trouble getting fMMS working, i set MMSC to http://mmsc.cingular.com (i have at&t) , but it'll say failed to download message00:32
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timeless_mbp__ibz: note that an n900 _must_ be able to operate anywhere in the world00:35
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timeless_mbpso whatever the differences are, they can't be too interesting :)00:36
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Stskeepsjebba: http://communitizer.blogspot.com/2010/01/backwards-compatibility-broken-pr11-sdk.html re discussions , it refers to it00:36
xorAxAxpronto: maybe you have to configure another APN00:36
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jebbaStskeeps: dude on maemo-devel is still reporting repo errors00:39
jebbain this case .gz related, not gpg00:39
jebbahttp://pastebin.ca/175761800:40
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adalalhow do you play m4b file?00:43
xorAxAxwith mediabox? :)00:43
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jebbaStskeeps: i'm getting:  "W: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG E40DC434616730BD maemo.org Extras repositories (Fremantle Extras) <repositories@maemo.org>"00:46
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xorAxAxyes, i am seeing invalid signatures as well00:46
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Chikuhow to copy paste on x termical ?00:48
Chikuoh top menu00:48
jebbaxorAxAx: any clue why? Is your error exactly the same as mine?00:49
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jebbaX-Fade ?  ^^00:50
xorAxAxjebba: yes, same error. well, invalid signatures :)00:50
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jebbaxorAxAx: same BADSIG? If different, can you paste it?00:51
jebbai'm submitting to bugzilla00:51
xorAxAxyes, the same00:52
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prontoheh, when i confugure the at&t internet to use a proxy fmms works, but sites don't load right, there needs to be a way to only use the at&t proxy for fMMS00:55
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* jebba waiting for headers man, it's still going on.00:55
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krasatoshi there, i got a lil question about the fm transmitter on n900 if any1's willing to help: im in a country where it's disabled, so i downloaded this app to enable the transmiter and now i can access it through the settings menu, still there is no option in the media player to route the audio to the fm transmitter... any ideas?00:58
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Cas07hmmm tea and keyboard not playing nice tonight!01:07
timeless_mbpkrasatos: eh01:07
timeless_mbpwhat do you mean a country where the fm transmitter is disabled?01:07
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luke-jrtimeless_mbp: probably legal regulations prohibit private FM transmittors?01:09
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krasatosthe fm transmitter of the n900 is disabled in some countries01:11
timeless_mbpkrasatos: open settings>fm transmitter01:11
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krasatosdepending on the imei of the device01:11
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timeless_mbpkrasatos: is it actually disabled?01:12
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timeless_mbpbecause that's nuts01:12
krasatosie Greek phones come with the fm transmitters of the device01:12
AOK-Ndddd01:12
__ibztimeless_mbp: thanks01:12
krasatosthere is a hack to enable it01:12
krasatoslemme fetch a link01:12
* GeneralAntilles finally got most of the way through his -community backlog.01:12
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xorAxAxits in the repo, the hack01:12
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GeneralAntillesJust need to finish reading that monster Brainstorm usefulness thread.01:13
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krasatosyeh, it's this app "fmtx-faker"01:13
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krasatosthing is, although the transmiter is now working, at least i can access it's settings,01:13
xorAxAxtimeless_mbp: you didnt know that? :)01:13
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krasatosit;s not available to select as output on the maemo's built in media player01:13
Chikuwolf^, adblock doens"t block ads like on my pc01:14
Chikui use same patterns.ini01:14
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timeless_mbpxorAxAx: they don't tell us about every stupid thing that goes around in their heads01:14
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krasatosi can select it as output from this mediabox player (havent't tested if it's working yet) but i can select it01:15
krasatosthere's no option in the default media player01:15
* timeless_mbp frowns01:15
krasatosthat's why im asking for clues :(01:15
* timeless_mbp kicks krasatos 01:15
timeless_mbplet's try this again.01:15
xorAxAxkrasatos: there is a simple-fmtx widget01:15
timeless_mbpdid you open Settings?01:15
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timeless_mbpdid you check the checkbox?01:15
xorAxAxkrasatos: that lets you enable the tx via the desktop01:15
wolf^Chiku, try opening xterm and execute "killall -9 browser browserd"01:15
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, I think you should request some stream-of-consciousness microblogging.01:15
timeless_mbpdid you select a frequency?01:15
wolf^ChanServ, preferably as root01:15
wolf^Chiku, this should reload browser (and adblock)01:15
nomisHum. hildon.WizardDialog for some reason messes with the title of the dialog when switching pages. It suddenly showed "Welcome" that I did not specify anywhere.01:16
GeneralAntilleswolf^, restart browser may be a better option.01:16
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krasatostimeless_mbp: yes, but the last step is to start playing a song and then have the media player to output it to the fm transmitter right?01:16
GeneralAntillesOr whatever the hell the upstart recipe is.01:16
Chikuwolf^, I even reboot it01:16
timeless_mbpkrasatos: yes01:17
timeless_mbperr no01:17
timeless_mbplast step is to plug in headphones01:17
wolf^Chiku, which adblock are you using (how have you installed it)?01:17
timeless_mbpand *then* turn on the media player01:17
Chikuyes01:17
krasatosow,01:17
krasatoslemme check ;)01:17
timeless_mbpif you don't plug in headphones, you don't have an antenna01:17
timeless_mbpif you don't have an antenna, well.. you can't transimt01:17
timeless_mbps/imt/mit/01:17
infobottimeless_mbp meant: if you don't have an antenna, well.. you can't transmit01:17
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: users suck01:17
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GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, erm, actually, doesn't plugging in headphones DISABLE the transmitter?01:18
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Chikuadblock plus 1maemo0-801:18
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, receiver requires headphones.01:18
GeneralAntillesThe transmitter doesn't.01:18
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: from memory, no01:18
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GeneralAntillesMaybe it just lowers the output power when headphones are plugged in.01:18
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GeneralAntilles(disproportionately, so you're likely to get a lower quality signal)01:19
krasatosgeneralantilles ure right, it wont let me launch the transmitter with anything pluged in the jack slot, headphones or av output cable01:19
Chikulol, I'm reading description "... Will requirea reboot or two after installation before it will work"01:19
timeless_mbpoops01:19
timeless_mbpsorry :)01:19
* timeless_mbp doesn't really use the transmitter01:19
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, you suck. :P01:19
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wolf^Chiku, see http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/adblock-plus-1.0/01:20
wolf^Chiku, seems there are some problems (but with workarounds)01:20
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krasatoshmm... ok, if i enable the transmitter first from the settings menu, then run the media player it routes the sound to the transmitter, it's working01:21
wolf^Chiku, I have adblock 1.1.1, not from extras, which works better01:21
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timeless_mbpok, stupid question01:21
timeless_mbphow does one test the fm radio?01:21
odin___ibz, I'm saying its been commented on my representatives as Nokia that for the N900 at least certain phone functions (which usually have UI) may never be provided01:21
Chikuwhere did you got this version?01:21
GAN900timeless_mbp, send or receive?01:22
timeless_mbpsend :)01:22
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* timeless_mbp can't figure out how to use the fm radio on this stereo system01:22
w00tis there a safe way to restart X without restarting the whole device (over ssh)? I've managed to horribly confuse the application menu in interesting ways01:22
krasatosi just thought that i could enable it after runing the media player and then tapping on the top of the screen and selecting transmitter (saw the option in a youtube vid, had  the playlist buttons+ a fm transmitter option) mine doesnt, but it seems to wokr the other way around01:22
krasatosi can leave with it01:22
krasatoslive*01:23
krasatosthanx guys, nn+cu round01:23
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AOK-Nhmmm01:23
odin_ah I see why the gzip/akamai talk earliar in channel; to do with current repo errors01:24
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* w00t tries to restart it anywaty01:24
timeless_mbphey!01:24
timeless_mbpi could test using my n800!01:24
wolf^Chiku, http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/12/01:25
wolf^Chiku, remember to uninstall old adblock first01:25
krasatoshm, thought of another question :).... how do i add msn messenger support to the built in IM thingy?01:25
Chikuthx wolf^01:25
timeless_mbpwow01:25
w00thooray01:26
* timeless_mbp didn't realize that browser.garage still published news01:26
w00trestarting hildon-desktop fixed it01:26
w00tthough I do wonder why, if the init.d script can stop and start it, why it can't just restart it01:26
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w00tthough it is of little consequence01:27
timeless_mbpkrasatos: it's in extras01:27
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krasatosany hint on the name so i can search for it?01:28
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krasatostimeless_mbp01:28
timeless_mbpmsn protocol plugin for Conversations and Contacts01:28
krasatosthanx timeless01:29
timeless_mbpkrasatos: so01:29
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timeless_mbpthe fm radio icon in the status area...01:29
timeless_mbpjust tells you that you're broadcasting01:29
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timeless_mbpthe item in the menu lets you change the settings01:29
timeless_mbpremember that the broadcast range for the fm radio is incredibly small01:29
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krasatostimeless_mbp: mate, when in the "now playing" screen when u tap on the top part, do u get a fm transmitter option?01:31
javispedrothe official fmtx middleware _disables_ the tx when headphones are connected01:31
timeless_mbpkrasatos: yes01:31
krasatosi dont get one :(01:31
timeless_mbpdo you really not get one?01:31
SpeedEviltimeless: The FM transmitter runs from a transmit antenna loop that is integrated into the case, and connected by a little spring connector01:32
* timeless_mbp frowns01:32
krasatosyep01:32
timeless_mbpSpeedEvil: interesting01:32
timeless_mbpkrasatos: gah,01:32
SpeedEviltimeless: see the hardware hacking page in the n900_hardware category for the l3/l4 manual01:32
krasatosi only get "Clear current playlist" and "Save playlist" timeless_mbp01:32
timeless_mbpSpeedEvil: no thanks01:32
* timeless_mbp sighs01:33
SpeedEvilAlso - one way of checking the tx is to measure teh current consumption - but that won't work reliably with the internal sensor - as it's only a 19mA jump01:33
uhsfnew Sony VAIO Z is gonna be so powerful but I'm so poor I can't buy laptops01:34
w00tuhsf: info?01:35
* w00t is a sony lover01:35
xorAxAxthinkpads are the better sony01:35
krasatosis there some way to keep incoming messages and missed calls notifications visible in the desktops?01:35
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timeless_mbpkrasatos: can you visit a country which doesn't have this rule and then file a bug?01:35
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xorAxAx:-)01:36
krasatoswell. i think its working anyway if i enable the transmitter before i run the media app, so i dont think i'll bother01:36
timeless_mbpbecause if it doesn't work properly when you're in another country, it's buggy01:37
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SpeedEvilebay01:37
krasatosmaybe in an update of the media playeer it'll be fixed01:37
timeless_mbpkrasatos: which software are you running?01:37
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timeless_mbp42-11/44-1/51-1/ ?01:38
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krasatosi update the latest update available01:38
krasatos5.1?01:38
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Chikuwolf^, when microb need restart, when I tap on restart it won't01:39
krasatosyo timeless... how can i check my contacts? how can i see who's online?01:40
timeless_mbpjust open addressbook, tap the title, tap the third tab01:40
Chikuand if I closed microb, when I launch it, I don't see adblock in extension list :(01:40
w00topen contacts, click the title area01:40
w00ttimeless_mbp as ever, is faster :-)01:40
timeless_mbpkrasatos: which language is your device using?01:41
timeless_mbpiirc we don't offer greek01:41
krasatosi am Greek, but i use the phone in english01:41
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wolf^Chiku, just open the x terminal and execute kill -9 ... command01:41
krasatosthanx for the tip btw, it would take me a while to find it out ;)01:42
pupnikssh + mplayer helps locate device01:43
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krasatosgnite guys, thanx for all the help ;)01:43
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javispedro... specially if you output audio with media.role == "game" which bypasses most volume controls01:43
javispedroand thus you get a loud _bang_ from the speakers01:43
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pupnikdidn't try that01:44
AOKfre01:44
pupnikit disables xprot?01:44
pupnik@ javispedro01:44
AOKSoo I have a big problem01:44
AOKI have installed01:44
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javispedronope, just uses max volume no matter what01:44
javispedroeven with headphones connected01:44
javispedro(it's a bug, I filed it)01:44
AOKBeah SSh01:44
AOKthe client01:45
AOKI want to install HAMACHI01:45
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AOKhttp://logmeinwiki.com/wiki/Hamachi:Install_on_Nokia_N80001:45
AOKThe problem is01:45
pupnikok do not try to move vmware-player to a new system.  reinstall instead.01:45
AOKInstall dropbear SSH01:45
AOKIn xterm, do a dbclient root@127.1 with password "rootme" (if rootme doesn't work, update your Nokia software to the latest version, at least the 3/2007 version.01:45
AOKNow here is where it asks for password01:45
AOKand gainroot is not working01:46
AOKneither is rootme01:46
AOKon my N90001:46
SpeedEviltype root01:46
SpeedEvilwhat happens01:46
AOKI have of course ran it under give me a sec01:46
SpeedEvilyou have installed the roothsh pachage?01:46
SpeedEvilrootsh01:46
AOKrestarting01:46
woglindeaok using old outdate compiled binary stuff is crap01:46
AOKwell I know01:46
woglindeget the source code and make a fine package out of it01:46
AOKI am too noob01:47
AOK:-(01:47
woglindewe all were noobs01:47
woglindetry hard to get better01:47
AOKfor repacking01:47
Cas07nice slogan "we all were noobs" :D01:48
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woglinde*g*01:48
Cas07oh noz my enter and backspace key have suffered from tea attack!!01:48
AOKneither01:48
AOK"root" nor "rootsh" works01:49
woglindeapt-get install rootsh01:49
woglindesudo gainroot01:49
AOKye ye ye01:49
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AOKdid that ;-)01:49
woglindeenable extras01:49
woglindein programmanger01:49
AOKas I said prior to runnung the dbclient01:49
AOKI got the root access01:49
pupnikjavispedro: do you plan to pursue the rendering in .25 or does it look like a bad path?01:50
AOKbut then I have the # sign01:50
AOK;-)01:50
javispedropupnik: you mean the hildon scaling stuff?01:51
pupnikyes01:51
javispedroi am trying to encapsulate it01:51
javispedrojust now trying to decide how...01:51
pupniki don't understand01:51
javispedrobasically, you need to render your stuff to a window not managed by sdl01:51
pupnikah01:51
pupnikgtk-pixbuf or smth?01:52
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javispedrothen send some commands to the window manager indicating rotation, scale, etc.01:52
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javispedroI currently use a plain x window on drnok01:52
MohanI was trying to update to the latest 2.2009-51 version from win 7 and software update failed01:52
javispedroand of course it looks a bit ugly to have all the sdl code and THEN some xlib code01:52
timeless_mbpis ham capable of handling *any* conflicts?01:52
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Mohannow my n900 is bricked, I've read the docs for flashing using the flasher utility and the bin image file.01:53
javispedropupnik: my current plan is to wrap this into a set of SDL_CreateActor / SDL_FreeActor functions that hide that from you and give you a surface to render to01:53
javispedros/surface/SDL_Surface01:53
javispedrobut that may still mean some mods to games..01:54
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Mohanwhen I connect the device in a linux mahcine and hold the U key for a while I see that nokia usb rom connected and followed by usb disconnected01:54
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pupnikjavispedro: that is GREAT01:55
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Mohanhttp://pastebin.com/m6debb901:55
Mohancan someone help me here to figure out whats the issue.01:56
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timeless_mbpanyone here willing to test something for me?01:56
ml-mobilehmm01:56
pupnikthe advantages for sdk in a vm are serious.  i should have run with that from the beginning01:56
prontotimeless_mbp: depends01:56
ml-mobilethere01:56
timeless_mbppronto: http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/bugs-maemo-8288/test.install01:57
prontowhat do you want tested01:57
ml-mobileall of freenode is locked to unregistered users eh?01:57
javispedrouh oh, updated  libc in lenny01:57
* javispedro panics01:57
timeless_mbpadd the repo, install the package, go to app/manager01:57
timeless_mbptap the title area, choose restore01:57
timeless_mbptap restore01:57
prontotimeless_mbp: what is it?01:57
Chikusomeone else already install adblock?01:57
timeless_mbphttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=828801:57
povbot`Bug 8288: application manager restore shouldn't list packages that will lose a replaces-conflicts contest with the current system01:57
MohanIs this the room to ask support for n900 flashing ?01:58
javispedropovbot: pin01:58
Chikuthat's making me creazy01:58
javispedropovbot: ping01:58
javispedropovbot`: ping01:58
povbot`pong01:58
javispedroheh.01:58
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prontotimeless_mbp: added01:59
prontowella dding01:59
Mohanjavispedro: I've got my n900 bricked. I'm trying to reflash it but i dont see the usb logo screen as mentioned in the document01:59
prontotimeless_mbp: added now01:59
GAN900Mohan, the USB cable must be connected.02:00
Mohanhttp://pastebin.com/m6debb902:00
timeless_mbppronto: roughly, this is trying to fast track you through the steps in the bug02:00
timeless_mbpyou're at around step 1502:00
prontoheh02:00
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pronto"1 app sucessfully installed"02:00
Mohanthats a tail of /var/log/messages when I hold the u key and connect the usb cable02:00
odin_can the "devtools" repo be optified? "deb http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools free non-free" ?02:01
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MohanGAN900: It is kept connected. As of now all i see is the black nokia text and when connected to power cable it shows yellow light for few seconds02:02
timeless_mbppronto: tap the title area, select restore...02:02
javispedrooh, Nokia fixed something in SDL which I was workarounding in drnok :)02:02
prontothats greyed out02:02
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timeless_mbppronto: which is?02:03
pronto"Restore applications" that is02:03
* timeless_mbp grumbles02:03
timeless_mbpopen xterm02:03
Mohanso many people around, but its a shame no one is willing to help a small issue.02:03
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xorAxAxMohan: and your flasher doesnt recognize the device?02:04
timeless_mbpcat .hildon-application-manager/packages.backup02:04
MohanUnable to enumerate USB buses!, flasher quits saying this02:04
timeless_mbpMohan: are you su?02:04
javispedroMohan: distro?02:04
Mohanopensuse11.202:05
mikhasyour device needs to be off, not some black nokia text or such02:05
MohanI am running it as root.02:05
prontothere is no "packages.backup" under that dir02:05
pupnikone, two, buckle my shoe02:05
MohanIt was indeed off.02:05
mikhascompletely blank screen?02:05
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Mohanyup02:05
jaem_n900morning, folks02:05
xorAxAxMohan: stop fiddling with your device and get the flasher working beforehand02:05
mikhasbecause it doesnt switch off if it was still connected via usb02:05
MohanUSB disconnect, address 902:06
xorAxAxMohan: it has to say "waiting for device" or something like that02:06
javispedroopensuse11.2 uses /dev/bus/usb and not /proc/bus/usb (though I guess flasher already supports that?)02:06
timeless_mbppronto: oops02:06
* timeless_mbp screwed up02:06
prontohaha02:06
prontoshould i go ahead and uninstall it?02:06
timeless_mbpyeah02:06
timeless_mbpand remove the catalog02:06
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timeless_mbpthen try the link again :)02:06
Mohanwhy does the connected devices disconnects soon? any reason for it.02:06
prontoits "a" right02:06
jaem_n900I reflashed my N900 with PR1.1, leaving the eMMC intact, and now my Tracker db is borked02:06
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timeless_mbpyep02:07
xorAxAxMohan: because it doesnt see a flasher02:07
timeless_mbpit installed package 'a' instead of a different package that pulls in package 'b' :)02:07
timeless_mbppronto: this is why i need a tester :)02:07
jaem_n900e.g. the media player only sees some files, and their metadata as shown is wrong02:07
prontolol02:07
xorAxAxjaem_n900: clear it with tracker-processes -r02:07
jaem_n900xorAxAx, willdo, thanks02:07
prontotimeless_mbp: as long as you doont compeletly brick my phone, i'll test things02:07
xorAxAxjaem_n900: as user02:07
timeless_mbppronto: yeah, so, remove 'a', remove the catalog, and then try the .install link again02:07
prontokk02:08
Mohanlet me try again. I will remove the battery, for few minutes, put the battery back. run the flasher command. hold the u key and connect the usb cable and keep holding the u key.02:08
jaem_n900xorAxAx, yes - that looked like it flushed it properly :)02:08
Mohanthis should do the job right ?02:08
xorAxAxMohan: wrong wrong wrong02:08
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xorAxAxMohan: you get your flasher working until it says waiting for device02:08
* timeless_mbp grumbles02:08
xorAxAxMohan: did you google for the error message?02:09
Mohanwhen I run the flasher command i see that it says waiting for the device.02:09
timeless_mbphow do i clear this stupid cache02:09
xorAxAxMohan: didnt you say it gives you an error message?02:09
prontotimeless_mbp: going again, with that game link02:09
xorAxAxMohan: please pastebin command line and output on paste.pocoo.org02:10
javispedromarbles is now OSS O.o02:10
timeless_mbppronto: if it asks you to install 'a', then it's doing the wrong thing02:10
timeless_mbpand i need to flush the cache02:10
jaem_n900out of curiousity, is there any documentation for the exposed PCB pads under the battery on the N900?  I recall there were pictures of Nokia folks using flashing jigs that seemed to connect to some of those02:10
timeless_mbpjaem_n900: we don't document that stuff ;-)02:11
cehtehone is the serial port02:11
cehtehmaybe the other is jtag, and maybe usb?02:11
MohanThe error i get is unable to enumerate the usb device. apart from that in the /var/log/messages i see the device found and it gets disconnected. which i have pasted in the paste bin.02:11
jaem_n900timeless_mbp, cehteh, is there any unofficial info available?02:12
pronto timeless_mbp its asking me install Bug 8288   ,and under "installing" it says to install: b(0.1)02:12
povbot`Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8288 application manager restore shouldn't list packages that will lose a replaces-conflicts contest with the current system02:12
xorAxAxMohan: Url?02:12
jaem_n900also, cehteh, what sort of serial port?02:12
cehtehjaem_n900: google :)02:12
timeless_mbpmuch better :)02:12
prontoand to verify, under uninstall it shows "b"02:13
timeless_mbpok, now try restore :)02:13
prontowhat excatly will it restore?02:14
Mohanhttp://paste.pocoo.org/show/167333/02:14
timeless_mbpit'll fail :)02:14
AOKweird02:14
timeless_mbpit's supposed to restore 'a' :)02:14
AOKhow am I suppossed to get02:14
AOKvi ~/.hamachi/config02:14
AOKthere is no ~ on n900 keyboard02:14
jaem_n900thanks, all02:15
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AOK???02:15
prontothat "that restore applications is still grayed out02:15
timeless_mbpAOK: blue, ctrl, ~, space02:15
timeless_mbppronto: WAH02:15
SpeedEviljaem_n900: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking - if you find out anything02:15
SpeedEvilmeh02:15
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xorAxAxMohan: ok, now you remove all cables from your n900, press u and while doing so connect the usb cable02:16
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xorAxAxMohan: before you need to turn off your device02:16
prontoinstalled that .install you linked, it installed b, checked that menu that says "restore applications" it was greyed out, so i closed and repopened the app manager, its still greyed out02:16
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xorAxAxMohan: and, does it work?02:18
timeless_mbppronto: yeah, i need to figure out what's w/ my postinst02:19
prontokk02:20
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prontoi'll go ahead and uninstall b, and remove that catalog02:20
AOKtimeless_mbp:02:20
AOKyou mean blue & ctrl and space?02:20
AOKit is not working02:21
AOK-N@02:21
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MohanI did exactly that, removed the battery and put it back so just had a black screen. holded the u key and connected the usb cable.02:21
timeless_mbpAOK: blue, ctrl, ~, space02:21
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prontolol, timeless_mbp "unable to uniinstall 'b' some application packages are needed buy other applcations02:21
AOKstill don't understand02:21
AOKPLS can you explain?02:21
timeless_mbppronto: you need to uninstall 'Bug...' first02:22
prontooh need to reboge that bug 828802:22
povbot`Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8288 application manager restore shouldn't list packages that will lose a replaces-conflicts contest with the current system02:22
prontoyeah just noticed02:22
Mohanstarted the flasher before connecting the cable, on the second log entry which says new usb device found, the flasher exited saying unable to enumerate usb devices02:22
Mohanhttp://paste.pocoo.org/show/167337/02:22
timeless_mbpsorry, i should have it right the next time02:22
* timeless_mbp just hasn't built a postinst from scratch in a while02:22
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AOK-N ~02:22
AOKCool timeless_mbp02:22
AOKgot it02:22
AOK:-)02:23
xorAxAxMohan: hmm, no idea02:23
xorAxAxMohan: thats a nokia proprietary closed source product, ask a nokia guy :)02:23
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MohanI've checked it twice and it happened exactly what i said.02:24
timeless_mbpMohan: most nokians sleep before 2am02:24
pupnik'usb disconnect'02:24
timeless_mbpask nokians during business hours02:24
prontowait how did you get that ~ what do you mean by blue?02:24
timeless_mbppronto: look at the keyboard02:25
timeless_mbponly one key is just blue.02:25
prontooh that arrow?02:25
AOKOK next weird step:02:25
AOKvi ~/.hamachi/config02:25
AOKKeepAlive 2002:25
AOK<press enter>02:25
AOK<press "Back" button on device>02:25
AOK:wq02:25
pupnikMohan: i suspect something wrong on host system or cable02:25
MohanI'm using a dell laptop for the process wonder would this has something to do with that. (i.e the way usb devices are organised)02:25
AOKvi ~/.hamachi/config02:25
AOKopens the vi02:25
timeless_mbpMohan: @nokia we use dells, ibms, and hps mostly02:26
pupnikhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=maemo+flashing+%22unable+to+enumerate+usb+buses!%2202:27
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Mohanmount -t usbfs none /proc/bus/usb02:27
MohanI did run that command before that second attempt.02:27
AOKI can't write anything?02:28
AOKdoes anyone happen to know why?02:28
AOKany idea why>02:28
odin_power down of 55-1 looks more organised/better, but a fullscreen message / progress bar (would be better than the initial 3 seconds of all desktops merged on top of each other, like spaghetti)02:28
odin_timeless_mbp, I've installed 'crash-reporter_1.27+0m5_armel.deb' and now I see 'Segmentation fault (core dumped)' instead of just 'Segmentation fault' but I can't actually locate any "core*" files02:30
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odin_documentation points to /home/user/MyDocs/core-dumps/ but currently empty (after I make a few  'Segmentation fault (core dumped)' happen with OS default s/w)02:31
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Mohanlet me try in ubuntu and see how it goes.02:34
timeless_mbpodin_: crash-reporter collects them02:35
timeless_mbpopen settings>crash reporter02:35
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odin_timeless_mbp, all the ticks in all the boxes I'd expect (the default settings) the collection area is /home/user/MyDocs/core-dumps/ according to http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/sp-rich-core but as yet not gotten it to create one, maybe I compile up the example ./crasher binary and start with that "memset(NULL, 0, 4);"02:37
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timeless_mbpodin_: if you choose "Send all", what happens?02:38
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odin_timeless_mbp, yep is says it has 1 stored report :)02:38
timeless_mbpit should tell you what it is..02:39
odin_yep from the binary that is crashing02:39
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ShadowJKdoes send all resend old stuff?02:40
DocScrutinizer51hmm yummy. Pink breathing light, with a much better rhythm02:40
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AOKhow to get out of VI?02:41
AOKGuys pls help02:41
ShadowJKesc :q02:41
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AOKwhich button is escape on n900?02:41
DocScrutinizer51might tweak a lil more to get a veritable heartbeat02:41
SpeedEvilesc ZZ is clearly better02:41
SpeedEvilZZ is easy to press02:41
AOKwhat is esc on N900?02:41
timeless_mbppronto: one more try?02:42
pronto sure give me a second02:43
prontosame link?02:43
lardman|homeAOK: onscreen kb02:43
timeless_mbpyep02:43
lardman|homeAOK: or rather the shortcut bar at the bottom of xterm02:43
odin_it knows there has been a crash but I'm trying to get access to the data (the core)02:44
prontoinstalling ^^02:45
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prontoinstalled, "b" and that "bug...." but restore applicatons is still greyed out , when i restarted the application manager, the "restore applications" is clickable02:47
prontoafter clicking restore, it wants me to install "a"02:49
prontotimeless_mbp: ^^02:49
prontoand then it says "unable to install  "a" conflicting application packages"02:50
prontoconflicts with "b"02:50
timeless_mbpvictory!02:50
pronto:D02:50
AOKA new one02:50
AOKerror while loading shared libraires: libcrypto.so.0.9.7: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory02:50
AOKis there by defaul any such library on the phone?02:50
timeless_mbpAOK: who wants libcrypto 097?02:50
AOKhamachi ;-)02:51
timeless_mbppeople probably use 098..02:51
AOKthat old hamachi ;-)02:51
odin_yes OpenSSL is part of the base platform /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8 /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.802:51
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AOKgreat02:51
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woglindetry ln -s /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8  /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.702:51
AOKso how am I now going to say to hamachi to use the newer version02:51
AOKOK woglinde02:52
AOKthanks02:52
odin_woglinde, lol02:52
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AOKthat will add a shortcut to that file right with the different name?02:52
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timeless_mbppronto: you can now trash those packages :)02:53
odin_if you can obtain a 0.9.7 build of openssl you can put the libcrypto.so.0.9.7 in the same dir as the binary (and then use envvar settings to make it load)02:53
prontoalready done02:54
woglindeodin old trick02:54
woglindesometimes work02:54
odin_ld.so(8) search for LD_PRELOAD and LD_LIBRARY_PATH02:54
woglindeif api didnt change this bad02:54
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prontotimeless_mbp: if you ever need anything else tested, as long as it wont brick my device i'll be happy to test02:54
timeless_mbppronto: thanks :)02:55
AOKnope didin't worked02:55
odin_the API did change, just because it runs means the symbols did not change (which is probably true for using a newer version as older) but the strcture sizes may also have changed, in which case random crashes for you02:55
AOKwhere am I going to find openssl 0.9.7? :-(02:55
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timeless_mbpAOK: you won't02:56
AOKopenssl-0.9.7-1.i38602:56
AOKthat the best I found :-(02:56
woglindethe link trick didnt work?02:56
AOKnope02:56
woglindewhats the error now?02:56
timeless_mbpwhy not rebuild against 098?02:56
woglindeno source code02:56
woglindeits payware crap02:56
AOKwoglinde: the same02:57
woglindeaok ?????02:57
woglindeaok whats ldd hamachi-bin says?02:57
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odin_"apt-cache showpkg openssl" does not show a 0.9.7 release for fremantle, will a previous version (from maemo4 etc..) work on you device (which is ? N900?)02:58
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prontohas anyone seen that "BirdFlew" guy that was working on an app that'll track your device if it's lost?03:00
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AOKhttp://files.hamachi.cc/linux/nokia-770/03:01
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AOK:-(03:02
odin_AOK, what is your device ?03:02
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AOKN90003:02
AOKthat is what I am telling  you03:02
AOKI am trying to install it on N90003:02
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AOKand as you can see from the name  it is ment for 77003:02
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odin_is libcrypto the _ONLY_ library missing?  from "ldd" output?03:03
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AOKperhaps03:03
AOKDon't know03:03
odin_well run "ldd /path/binary"03:03
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AOKnice03:04
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AOKlibcrypto not found03:04
AOKon three others there isare some addresses03:04
odin_so that all you need?03:04
AOKwhich might mean that this is the only thing I need03:05
AOK;-)03:05
AOKyep03:05
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AOKany ideas?03:06
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pupnikit is nice to make a local cache of your debs, for when you get broken apt download03:08
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AOKapt-get install libssl0.9.703:10
AOKso I tried this03:10
AOKbut03:10
timeless_mbppupnik: nah, jebba 's solves that03:10
AOKpackage libssl0.9.7 is not available but is reffered to another package03:11
AOK:-(03:11
AOKguys PLS help me on this  one :-)03:12
AOKhttp://packages.debian.org/etch/libssl0.9.703:12
odin_AOK be patient...03:12
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AOKhttp://packages.debian.org/etch/arm/libssl0.9.7/download03:13
AOKOK03:13
woglindeldd should foound it now03:13
AOK:-)03:13
woglindeor you made the link wrong03:13
AOKnope03:13
AOKok will try again03:13
odin_AOK try http://www.darrylmiles.org/temp/maemo/libcrypto.so.0.9.703:13
woglindewhats /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.7 now poiting too?03:14
odin_courtesy of the j.e.b.b.a. scratchbox03:14
woglindeodin *g*03:14
AOKso if I try to do the ln again03:14
AOKit says it exists03:14
AOKbut03:14
woglindels -la /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.703:14
AOKldd and execution of hamachi don't find it03:15
odin_put it in the same dir as the binary.. run binary like: "LD_PRELOAD=/path/libcrypto.so.0.9.7 /path/hamachi"03:15
xorAxAxhail pulseaudio03:16
xorAxAx  785 pulse     12  -8 83112  3956  2120 S  0.0  1.6  9:16.84 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --system --high-priority03:16
odin_try "LD_PRELOAD=/path/libcrypto.so.0.9.7 ldd /path/hamachi"03:16
AOKwoglinde:  no file found03:16
xorAxAxWTH does it need 83 MB VIRT03:16
AOKwhat did I do wrong?03:16
odin_you need to "ldconfig" if you installed in a system path (which I do not advise)03:16
DocScrutinizer51has anybody found out about LED_patterns madness yet? the chip has E engines and NO mux to assign LEDs to particular engines. The assumption engine3 is for kbd is totally screwed03:17
AOKis usr/bin system path in linux?03:17
DocScrutinizer51s/E/3/03:18
infobotDocScrutinizer51 meant: has anybody found out about L3D_patterns madness yet? the chip has E engines and NO mux to assign LEDs to particular engines. The assumption engine3 is for kbd is totally screwed03:18
odin_^^ heh03:18
DocScrutinizer51fsck03:18
xorAxAxLSD? :)03:19
AOKLDD_PRELOAD did not workd03:19
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AOKfinNOT FOUND03:19
AOKNOT FOUND03:19
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DocScrutinizer51omg. my poor mind is going apeshit on that LED driver03:20
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odin_AOK, what is the path to your executable and your library ?  /opt/far/far/away/hamachi ?03:21
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DocScrutinizer51nota bene  I *love* LP5521. Just what those creeps made of it is.... dunno the right word03:21
odin_AOK, do DSOs need to be marked executable, i.e. chmod a+x libcrypto.so.0.9.7 ?03:22
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DocScrutinizer51not afaik03:22
DocScrutinizer51i know nuttin tho03:23
nomismhm, the Progress bar in the Hildon.Note widget apparently is no longer working?03:24
woglindeodin_ nope03:25
woglindewhy?03:25
* timeless_mbp sighs03:25
* timeless_mbp = idiot03:25
woglindelol03:25
timeless_mbppronto: ping03:25
prontohi?03:26
timeless_mbppronto: please say you *don't* have openssh-server installed03:26
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prontoi have ssh client installed on my n90003:26
timeless_mbpok, good03:26
timeless_mbpplease disable all repos, and enable/add the tools repo03:26
timeless_mbpthen try to add openssh server03:26
timeless_mbpbefore you add it, find out the version it's going to install03:27
prontoo.O tools repo?03:27
odin_~devtools03:27
infobotIriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at   http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999  Why isn't it in the default client yet?03:27
prontoi have the extra, and extra dev, ovi, and the default one03:27
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DocScrutinizer51odin_: sounds usefull03:28
timeless_mbphttp://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5#Installation03:28
timeless_mbppronto: disable all of those, add this one ^03:28
odin_infobot devtools is at "deb http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools free non-free" see documentation at http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo503:28
infobot...but devtools is already something else...03:28
odin_what has World of Warcraft go to do with Maemo ?03:28
timeless_mbpodin_: use 'maemo ...'03:29
timeless_mbpodin_: please note that infobot is almost certainly a shared resource03:29
AOKodin_:  what is DSOs03:29
DocScrutinizer51odin_: infobot is channel agnostic03:29
AOKwill it be wrong to install the libcrypto 0.9703:30
AOKwill it damage the phone?03:30
DocScrutinizer51~tell odin_ about batfaq03:30
odin_AOK, a Dynamic Shared Object, (aka as a DLL in windows world, the libcrypto.so.0.9.7 is a DSO)03:30
DocScrutinizer51just for an example03:30
lardman|homenight chaps03:31
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DocScrutinizer51duh03:31
AOKOdI installed it and still03:31
AOKdamn03:31
DocScrutinizer51~tell odin_ about joerg03:31
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* odin_ wonders what he is meant to be learning03:32
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DocScrutinizer51you may learn factoids of infobot aren't bound to #cannels03:33
prontotimeless_mbp: 1:5.1p1-2maemo603:33
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odin_so what is infobot good for there, if 100 other channels share it ?03:34
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timeless_mbpinfobot: status03:34
infobotSince Tue Jan 19 04:49:42 2010, there have been 2 modifications, 55 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 34 commands.  I have been awake for 20h 45m 16s this session, and currently reference 116750 factoids.  I'm using about 18972 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1919.25/65.77 child 0.27/0.1103:34
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timeless_mbpwith 100k factoids, it shouldn't be that bad03:35
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odin_but like about 5 maemo facts?03:36
* timeless_mbp frowns03:36
odin_infobot how many factiods do you have from #maemo ?03:36
timeless_mbpProteous_: try enabling extras03:37
timeless_mbp(maemo.org?)03:37
timeless_mbpsee which version of openssh server you're offered03:37
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timeless_mbpProteous_: the goal here is to install one version (old) of openssh-server03:38
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timeless_mbpthen enable another repository03:38
timeless_mbpand use the 'updates' view03:38
timeless_mbpit should offer an update for openssh-server03:38
prontoi assume you mean me?03:38
timeless_mbpyes03:38
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prontotab fail :p03:38
timeless_mbpsorry, it's past 3am03:38
DocScrutinizer51past 2 here03:38
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DocScrutinizer51night fellas03:39
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prontothe maemo.org has the same version 1:5.1p1-6maemo103:39
prontoerr 5(03:39
timeless_mbppronto: afaik, tools, testing and maemo.org have different versions03:39
timeless_mbpunless ham is lying to me in some really annoying way03:39
timeless_mbppronto: i'm not picky on the package03:40
timeless_mbpso if you can find something else where you can leverage this, otherwise i'll just setup a pair of repos for testing03:40
timeless_mbpbasically, this is https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5309 take 203:41
povbot`Bug 5309: Don't show "Update All" if no updates are available03:41
timeless_mbpin take one, 'update all' is always available (or something very close to always)03:41
timeless_mbpin take 2, it's available after you use 'update all' (but before you go 'back')03:41
timeless_mbpbut ... you need to be awake to test this :(03:42
prontoit updates when i edit the cataglogs03:42
timeless_mbpthat's a different 'update'03:43
prontowhen catalog is fremantol tools: for oppenssh server, Available version is 1:5.1p1-2maemo603:44
timeless_mbpthat's 'update repository information' instead of 'update installed packages on device'03:44
timeless_mbpok, so there is a difference?03:44
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prontowhen the normal repos i have are enabled, openssh server has 1:5.1p1-6.maemo503:47
* GeneralAntilles needs to empty a drive to install Windows 7 on. . . .03:47
woglindehm I should go now to sleep I think03:47
prontocatalong maemo.org03:47
woglindeGeneralAntilles why?03:47
GeneralAntilleswoglinde, because I have a Mac Pro and I can. :D03:47
woglindelol03:47
prontotimeless_mbp: yeah, sorry for the confusion03:48
timeless_mbpno problem03:48
GeneralAntilleswoglinde, I might get back into PC gaming a bit.03:48
timeless_mbpham lied to me03:48
timeless_mbpit doesn't show the '1:'03:48
woglindeGeneralAntilles ah thats a good reason03:48
prontoheh, well that shows under details03:48
timeless_mbppronto: ok, so, enable tools, update all03:48
prontowhen you client install, details03:48
prontoclick*03:48
prontoman i get odd typos03:48
timeless_mbpyeah yeah03:48
prontowhen the tools repo is on, do i have to disable the other repos?03:49
timeless_mbpplease03:49
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prontoclicked the update icon with the tools repo only on03:51
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matthew-Hey03:52
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prontowhen i click the "update all" it says ready to install updates, memory req'd 0kB03:52
matthew-I downloaded maps for ovi03:52
nomisoh wow. hildon.NOTE_TYPE_PROGRESSBAR is totally broken.03:52
timeless_mbppronto: ok03:52
matthew-and now ive got a problem03:52
matthew-as all those tracks lke 'turn left' bla bla bla03:52
timeless_mbpafter it installs, tap the title area03:52
timeless_mbpyou should see 'update all' in the menu03:53
matthew-are in my player :<03:53
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timeless_mbpuse ctrl-shift-p to take a picture03:53
odin_interesting stuff in 'dmesg': UBI: number of bad PEBs: 2, UBI: max/mean erase counter: 39/1003:53
prontoyeah update all is there03:54
timeless_mbppronto: wanna file a bug? :)03:54
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prontonot quite sure what the bug is, but if you need me to i'll get you that screen03:55
timeless_mbppronto: well, is there anything to update? :)03:55
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prontotwo things03:55
prontothat didnt work03:55
timeless_mbp?!03:55
pronto"personal-menu" and "sdlquike-mmc1"03:56
prontoboth of the updates say 0 kB though03:56
timeless_mbphrm, confused03:56
timeless_mbpi was hoping you'd use update all to update all (hopefully) 1 items in the list03:56
prontothat personal-menu has always said 0 kB update and never worked03:57
timeless_mbpi'd suggest uninstalling it03:57
prontoheh03:57
matthew-thanks for help...03:57
matthew-not03:57
matthew-;]03:57
matthew-also, where is the maemo.org theme?03:58
matthew-as it's not in 'themes'03:58
timeless_mbptry graphics?03:58
timeless_mbpit's in Desktop03:59
shinkamuikoffice was reeased?03:59
shinkamuiwhere the heck was I03:59
prontotimeless_mbp: removed, now only with the tools repo on,   the update area says no updates alvaible , and there is no "update all"03:59
shinkamuibeen waiting for that, though abiword has kept me happy for the last day or so03:59
shinkamui:)03:59
matthew-timeless_mbp: what desktop?04:00
timeless_mbpmatthew-: did you install maemo-org or were you looking for it?04:00
matthew-i did install it04:00
matthew-thou cant find a way to activate it04:00
timeless_mbpgo to the desktop04:01
timeless_mbptap the desktop04:01
timeless_mbptap the title area04:01
matthew-yeah04:01
timeless_mbptap themes or something04:01
shinkamuiI keep seeing the koffice referenced as a "viewer".  does this mean the maemo 5 version doesn't edit documents?04:01
shinkamuianyone use it yet04:01
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matthew-timeless_mbp: it is _not_ in themes :)04:01
shinkamuireally curious about how snappy it is or isnt04:01
prontoshinkamui: when i noticed it said viewer, i didnt bother04:01
timeless_mbpmatthew-: it is for me04:01
timeless_mbppronto: ok, enable the other repo that had the newer version04:02
shinkamuipronto, I thought so too, but in the article they say you can copy and paste from AND to it04:02
timeless_mbpgo to updates04:02
shinkamuithat indicates that it should be an editor04:02
shinkamuiI was thinking maybe some parts are view only, like presentation04:02
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prontoenable myother repos, and disable tools?04:02
matthew-How can I delete themes?04:02
shinkamuihoping someone had actually tried it, Ill just install it as soon as my battery recharges04:02
shinkamuilong freeking day, I was dead by 4:3004:02
timeless_mbpsure04:03
timeless_mbppronto: although, for simplicity, i'd prefer if you only enabled *one* other repo04:03
timeless_mbpe.g. maemo.org04:03
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shinkamuipulseaudio is killing my battery.  Every time I check, the process is between 14 and 19 percent.  AND Im in the silent profile to boot04:03
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* timeless_mbp hates users04:04
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* timeless_mbp has had a couple of bugs filed about the same stupid crash04:05
timeless_mbpin about 24 hours04:05
matthew-timeless_mbp: ur on a macbook pro?04:05
timeless_mbpayup04:05
matthew-any way of synching mac and n900 yet?04:05
timeless_mbpbut my users are lusers running various flavors of linux04:05
matthew-apart from using google?04:05
timeless_mbpmatthew-: i use MfE04:05
matthew-ah ok04:05
pronto timeless_mbp with only the maemo.org repo, there are no updatse alvible04:05
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timeless_mbppronto: add testing?04:06
prontois that another repo , or?04:06
timeless_mbpyes04:06
timeless_mbppronto: any repo that has the newer version will do04:07
timeless_mbpi just don't want 20 repos enabled :)04:07
prontorepos i have are the defualt nokia, ovi, maemo, my-maemo, applications, extras, maemo extras, maemo extras-devel, fremantle tools ,, atm only maemo.org is on04:07
matthew-How to delete themes?04:08
timeless_mbpis maemo.org different from maemo extras?04:08
timeless_mbpmatthew-: themes should be packages04:08
timeless_mbpso you'd use add/remove04:08
matthew-they're not in there.04:08
prontothats respo....maemo/extras04:08
timeless_mbpmatthew-: i presume you're using English (US? UK?)04:08
matthew-yes04:08
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timeless_mbppronto: anyway, enable whichever repo you like04:10
GeneralAntillespronto, kill my-maemo.04:10
GeneralAntillespronto, it's evil.04:10
prontooh?04:10
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prontohow is it evil?04:11
AOKso now another problem :-(04:11
GeneralAntillespronto, it's a broken, outdated mirror of maemo.org stuff.04:11
GeneralAntillespronto, evil.04:11
prontooh04:11
prontoheh04:11
AOK"cp /hamachi/hamachi /usr/bin/hamachi"04:11
AOK"cp /hamachi/tuncfg /sbin/tuncfg"04:11
AOKon the second one it says no "omitting directory"04:12
timeless_mbpcp -r ?04:12
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AOKIs not a directory error04:12
matthew-http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=3979104:12
matthew-ive got this04:12
matthew-and how can i remove it?04:13
pupnikshinkamui: pulseaudio doesn't use cpu unless something is playing audio04:13
AOKcp - r /hamachi/tuncfg /sbin/tuncfg"04:14
AOKsays04:14
AOK.. /sbin/tuncfg/tuncfg is not a directory04:15
AOKtimeless_mbp:  any ideas?04:15
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timeless_mbpls -l /sbin/tuncfg04:15
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AOKyep there are the three files inside04:16
timeless_mbpls -ld /sbin/tuncfg04:17
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timeless_mbpls -ld /hamachi/tuncfg04:17
AOKgood04:18
AOKthe actual problem is another one as it seems04:18
AOKsince those are there04:18
AOKthere is no hamachi-init04:18
AOKin the package04:18
AOK:-(04:18
pupnik"More recently, a law is proposed in Italy that requires Internet users to apply for and receive authorization from the Communications Ministry to upload video to Internet sites."04:22
prontoi'm tempted to make a ducttape case for my n90004:22
microlithanyone know how to gethe terminal font size smaller than 6pt?04:22
pupnikwow, apt nickname04:23
prontomicrolith: holy hell do you have mircoscope eyes?04:23
prontomy font for the maemo terminal is 16 :|04:23
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microlithno, the problem is that font size in the maemo terminal is much, much bigger than what is shown in the terminal dialog04:23
microlitha font size of 10 is enormous04:24
GeneralAntillesmicrolith, yeah, X DPI is set to 96. :\04:24
microlitho_O04:24
microliththat's... less than half of the actual dpi...04:24
GeneralAntillesYeah, lot less than half04:25
GeneralAntilles~265 or so, I think?04:25
ShadowJKuse the zoom buttons04:25
microlithzoom buttons?04:25
microlithOH04:25
ShadowJKthe rocker switch on top left04:25
microliththank you04:26
* microlith rolls the font size down04:26
GeneralAntillespupnik, remember the DPI04:27
GeneralAntilles?04:27
ShadowJKso are you using minimum now? :)04:27
* GeneralAntilles doesn't feel like calculating it at the moment.04:27
ShadowJKmore like 300 on n900 isn't it04:27
microlithShadowJK: no, the font size now matches the font dialog, and it's slightly higher than it was04:27
microlithoverall though, smaller04:27
* ShadowJK can see pixels on n810 but not n900 :/04:27
ShadowJKI think I need glasses now04:28
AOKSoo04:28
AOKI have a symlink from hamachi to hamachi-init04:28
AOKbut then cant start it04:28
GeneralAntillesDunno 15:9 ratio, 3.5", 800x48004:28
pupnikincredible dpi. something like 10 pixels per millimeter04:28
GeneralAntillesShadowJK, I love having a device that I can't readily see the pixels on.04:28
AOKit says it can't find it04:29
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AOKAny idea why?04:29
SpeedEvil!math(15^2+9^2)04:29
SpeedEvilyeah - 266dpi04:31
ShadowJK"point" is a measure of physical size, not pixel size. And since n900 fakes the dpi, you het a much much smaller font size than the correct size when asking for 10pt font04:31
ShadowJKs/het/get/04:31
infobotShadowJK meant: "point" is a measure of physical size, not pixel size. And since n900 fakes the dpi, you get a much much smaller font size than the correct size when asking for 10pt font04:31
* SpeedEvil ponders a USB hot-metal type machine04:31
odin_a point is 1/72 of an inch ?04:32
AOKhow do I edit with VI?04:32
* timeless_mbp sighs04:33
* timeless_mbp kicks MfE04:33
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odin_press ESCAPE then type ":q!" to exit (and find a text editor you can use)04:33
timeless_mbpthey're trying to fit way too much text into way too narrow of a field04:33
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AOKSooo. :-)04:42
AOKI edit it with the commander under root04:42
AOKit worked04:42
AOKso04:42
AOKthe problem is now04:42
arpwatchAnyone else unable to stream radio on the n900 after the update?  I searched on the forums but didn't find anything definite.04:42
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AOK... /bin/sh: Tuncfg: Permission denied04:43
AOKI have to start tunecfg before everything else04:43
AOK:-)04:43
AOKany ideas04:43
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AOKany ideas?04:44
AOKGuys PLS04:44
AOKodin_:04:44
AOKtimeless_mbp:04:45
AOK?04:45
AOKYou are my saviours so far04:45
AOKthansk to you I did great progress04:45
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* timeless_mbp shrugs04:46
* timeless_mbp doesn't really care04:46
timeless_mbpit's ~5am04:46
AOKOK04:47
AOKGet it04:47
dotblankSo as soon as it becomes 12:00 Eastern im going to buy the n900. Anyone regret buying it or have serious issues or know something I should know?04:48
adalalhow do you play m4b files on an n900?04:48
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dotblankI heard the range on the radio transmitter is fairly limited and it very depeneding on your local04:51
smpsdotblank, gps does not work well without a-gps04:51
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smpsdotblank, range is ok (imho)04:51
pupnikwhy are you considering buying one, dotblank04:51
smpsdotblank, 88 - 107.904:51
dotblanksmps, how is the actual phone part04:51
smpsdotblank, ?04:52
adalaldotblank: you dont need any range higher for the radio transmitter lol04:52
dotblankCan you put the n900 in speaker and have it play over FM?04:52
pupniki can't get a clean signal unless the n900 is immediately next to the radio04:52
pupniki am in a very FM-dense region though04:52
dotblankIt just seems to be a hit or miss for most people04:53
pupnikdotblank: not knowing anything about you, it is not possible to give advice04:53
smpsdotblank, i use it only in my car and its working just fine for me (but my n900 sits 15 cm from radio tho)04:53
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dotblankbut yea im buying it mainly because it seems really easy to develop for. (GTK and python)04:54
smpsbtw. todays hit news : http://twitter.com/billgates04:54
pupnikif you use linux, the n900 is like a thinkpad in your pocket04:54
smpsyes i like it when i can log into server and quickly change something or check something from xterm on n90004:55
dotblankok me Im a big linux user. I also mess around with nearly all of the application ported thus far. Im a guy that likes to look at the inner workings of a device.04:55
smpsi only miss ipsec/l2tp04:55
pupniki think you'll love it.  the phone is missing some functions i need, but they are fixing that04:55
dotblankBTW any of you tried setting up a network sink for PA over wifi on the device yet?04:55
smps"network sink for pa" ?04:56
dotblankpulseaudio04:56
pupniknetworked audio04:56
smpsnope04:56
dotblanklike if my home stereo system has a discoverable network server04:57
dotblankif it is a full fledged pulseaudio it should work right?04:57
dotblanknetwork sound server04:57
dotblank*04:57
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smpsdont know never messing with audio04:58
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pupnikshouldn't be too hard - i did streaming audio with 770 for a test04:59
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dotblankalso does the phone have the module module-ladspa-sink? cause if I take that and combine it with AutoTalent(http://web.mit.edu/tbaran/www/autotalent.html) in theory I should be able to AutoTune my voice calls.. which would be very very cool (imho)05:00
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dotblankI could sing "im on a boat" with uncanny precision05:01
timeless_mbpwow05:03
* timeless_mbp finds shiny05:03
GeneralAntillesdotblank, lol, awesome.05:04
SpeedEvilAdd a backing drum-track too.05:04
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dotblankyou could also add simple effects and filter out static and such05:04
dotblankAlso very possible to EQ your media05:05
dotblankYou could make your voice sound like god and other nifty tricks05:06
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dotblankIve been saving up a lot of ideas to test on this phone05:07
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arpwatchwhat would be cool is running autotalent realtime and speaking to people like t-pain or cher with the n900.05:09
arpwatchThat is the path I want to see it take.05:09
dotblankI also would like to try and take FUPPES (http://fuppes.ulrich-voelkel.de/) so that if I go over to a friends place and he/she has an xbox/ps3/whatever I would be able to spoof a upnp Windows Media Player and thus allow them to play stuff off my phone without any wires05:10
dotblankon the console05:10
arpwatchdang you're full of interesting links05:11
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dotblankI have several other ideas but I cant remember them right now05:11
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dotblankalso that aircrack-ng looks very promising.05:15
SpeedEvildotblank: have anyone in your contacts list with an annoyingly high voice?05:16
SpeedEviltune it down on a per-contact basis05:17
dotblankSo yea im thinking I might actually get it.05:17
dotblankIve been wanting this phone for 3 months05:17
dotblankSpeedEvil, Thats great05:17
dotblank"Um hold on a sec dude, I gotta make your voice less gay... Ok much better"05:18
smpslol05:18
dotblank"you would make a great darth vader"05:18
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dotblankWhoa i just thought of something... Lets say you have a projector and have it connected via TV-out cable. and someone is standing in front of the projection screen with the n900 filming you. The n900 creates a dynamic chromo key and then (basically) green screens you. But this would look alot nicer because instead of a greanscreen you could have a dynamic pattern05:22
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dotblankActually it have better applications in augmented reality05:26
dotblankwould*05:26
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dotblankBut yea I like the fact this phone has pulse... there so much you can do with that05:28
dotblankwould be better with jack but oh well05:29
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arpwatchi don't get the green screen thing...you want to project the background and film at the same time with the n900?05:30
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dotblankyea but because your doing both you can genereate a pattern that the n900 expects to see..05:31
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dotblankfrom that you can draw 3d objects in the video with proper size and everything05:32
arpwatchok.  that would be really neat.05:32
dotblankyou could also make a really crude 3d scanner05:33
uhsfthe "3d" seems overstatement here05:34
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dotblanknot really you can do this with a sheet of paper05:35
dotblankhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBMZGYx179E05:35
timeless_mbphrm05:36
timeless_mbpCatorize is interesting05:36
timeless_mbpJaffa: um05:36
timeless_mbpcatorize is problematic05:37
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, it's awesome!05:38
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: have you tried it with enus1?05:38
dotblankCatorize?05:38
timeless_mbpit doesn't wrap long category names05:38
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, you mean the fact that h-d doesn't wrap?05:38
GeneralAntillesYeah.05:38
GeneralAntillesI dunno if anybody opened a bug yet.05:38
timeless_mbpi'm about to05:38
GeneralAntillesOn Hildon Desktop, please.05:39
timeless_mbpnot catorize?05:39
GeneralAntillesCatorize just shuffles the .desktop files and such around05:39
timeless_mbpah05:39
GeneralAntillesIt doesn't have any control over how Hildon Desktop displays stuff.05:39
GeneralAntillesWell, you know what I mean.05:39
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timeless_mbpbtw, Maep rocks05:57
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goodwilltimeless_mbp: catorise is still miles better then the default display05:58
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timeless_mbpgoodwill: oh, i'm not arguing that05:58
GeneralAntillesMaybe we can get this in for PR1.2.06:00
GeneralAntillesSomebody poke konttori.06:00
goodwilltimeless_mbp: is it even possible to get hildon desktop to wrap?06:00
timeless_mbpgoodwill: i wouldn't know :)06:00
GeneralAntillesand somebody else con Jaffa into writing a patch.06:00
goodwilltimeless_mbp: I check Pidgin Internet Messenger ... and apparent hildon cuts off strings06:02
goodwilltimeless_mbp: I tested it ... and hildon won't wrap even when you force line break with \n06:03
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goodwillangry birds is really fun06:07
timeless_mbpdoes zootube not support hiding the progress bar?06:15
timeless_mbpthis is annoying06:15
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Testergoodwill: why use pidgin ? you can install "extras pidgin plugins" for the built-in ui...06:16
goodwillTester: OTR06:16
Testerah06:16
timeless_mbp?06:16
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Proteousstupid +R06:17
goodwilltimeless: its an encryption plugin06:17
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ShadowJKtimeless_mbp: do you never sleep? :-)06:17
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pupnikpeople just don't drink enough coffee06:21
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, hides here.06:21
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, try tapping or something?06:22
pupniksee how fast uae runs GeneralAntilles ?06:22
greenflyI'm hoping for otr support in the default IM client myself, but I'm glad at least pidgin supports it for now06:28
Testerwe're doing a new telepathy api for crypto, but its not goign ot make it into any officiel fremantle release06:30
greenflyahhh ok06:31
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dotblankOk im about to buy it online... any recomendations on where to get it from?06:52
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tank-manamazon?06:53
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Smilyright then, anyone knows if it's possible to delete a whole calendar?06:56
greenflydotblank: sometimes dell.com has a coupon that gives a good discount06:59
dotblankit ended just a few days + that has tax07:00
Smilyohh found it07:04
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dotblankWell.. I will get my N900 in the mail07:07
dotblankI cant wait07:07
dotblankthese next days are going to suck07:08
dotblankfew*07:08
pupnikbe thankful you live somewhere where the mail gets delivered reliably.07:10
GeneralAntillespupnik, that's not a thing.07:11
pupnik?07:11
GeneralAntillesThere's no such place. ;)07:11
pupnikeh  ok.07:12
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dotblankHes serious I think07:13
dotblankIve got my sim card waiting to be put into the phone07:13
dotblankall it has to do is get here07:13
GeneralAntillespupnik is always serious.07:14
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pupnikit's just so pretty to see the blinkenlights running !~60fps07:18
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pupnikfor some reason that's what motivates me07:18
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prontoO_o the media player added a whole bunch of stuff i didnt want it to, like random ring tones07:33
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pupnikit comes with the OS07:33
prontonot that stuff, crap from a mirco sd card i have07:34
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ml-mobilebleh07:35
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pupnikpronto: you can disable it from scanning your microSD07:37
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prontois there a way just to have it scan a list of folders? , like on the device istself i want it to scan /path/to/music  , and on the  mircoSD i want it to only scan a single folder07:38
prontonot disable it 100%07:38
derfpupnik: How do you disable it?07:38
pupniknot sure. let me check07:39
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pupniknope, i don't remember.  this might be interesting -- cat /home/user/.config/user-dirs.dirs07:40
prontolooks like to disable the mircoSD from tracker all togeather its under .config/tracker/tracker.cfg07:44
goodwillaccording to apt-get update fremantle extras and tools repos have an incorrect gpg signature07:45
goodwillanyone knows why?07:45
prontoIndexRemovableMedia=true is default07:45
prontohrm looks like i could add the mirco SD to no watch, and then add a watch to a certain path i wanted on the SD card07:46
pupniksame problem here goodwill07:46
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pupnikBADSIG E40DC434616730BD07:47
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goodwillyup07:47
pupniki tend to copy downloaded debs from /var/cache/apt/archives to ~/MyDocs/debs so i can reinstall if needed07:48
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pupnikmorning Rhoruns07:53
pupnikRST38h:07:53
Rhoruns:)07:53
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RST38hheya pupnik07:55
pupnikhttp://pupnik.de/uae_n900.avi that cyclone 68k core is nice07:56
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pupnikok .. audio.cpp and a fresh pot of coffee07:59
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RST38hstill hacking audio?08:04
RST38hand yes, cyclone is the right path to go08:04
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pupnikmost of the time i just spend looking at stuff and being confused08:10
pupnikbut it's fun08:11
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KamuiN900suxorz. koffice on n900 is a viewer only atm08:30
KamuiN900at least we still have abiword...08:31
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slonopotamuserr... KamuiN900 really?08:35
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RST38hyep08:37
RST38hAnd I had to uninstall koffice anyway. Very very slow.08:37
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* pupnik loves his trackpoint keyboard08:43
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* RST38h almost lost a finger to trackpoint keyboard once08:46
RST38h--= never again =--08:46
jaskadid it try to nom nom on it?08:46
pupnikneed to adjust sensitivity and use a light touch08:47
RST38hwell, the rubber condom has worn off, and so has a large patch of my skin =)08:48
* RST38h will take a trackpad, at least until the trackballs return to laptops08:49
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pupniki love guessing the exact number of lines to yank in vi08:53
RST38hpupnik: ever though of using pico? =)08:55
RST38hthought08:55
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RST38h---> work08:55
pupnikenjoy08:55
pupnikno vi is faster08:56
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redeen900i have a minor problem, my onscreen keyboard has disappeared after a reboot08:57
redeen900it is enabled in settings08:58
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sivangmorning dear community!08:58
Milo-dearling more community08:59
sivangHas anyone managed to use the so called 5mega pixel camera and produce good quality photos with the N900 ?08:59
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sivangMilo-: huh?08:59
thomazsimeoni, try macro mode08:59
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ifreqsivang: yes @outside on good lightning ive done some medium pics08:59
sivangI strongly start to question if it is a really 5mp camera. It produces photos like a 90's poor 640x480 camera09:00
Milo-medium != good09:00
sivangwhich is *highly* disappointing09:00
sivangs/camera/webcam/09:00
sivangsorry about the harsh words :)09:00
thomazsivang, it doesn't mean the picture is good, it means the picture is big09:00
ifreqidd..09:00
slonopotamusthomaz, :D09:00
sivangah , right09:00
sivangwhat about Carl Zeiss09:00
ifreqoptics09:00
sivangand other markeing talk09:01
ifreqso its big and it has good lens. dunno bout the picture processor09:01
redeen900any ideas on how to fix my osk?09:01
sivangokay , thanks09:01
Milo-carl zeiss doesn't exist09:01
Milo-he is a fictional character09:01
thomazsivang, i took some pictures today, let me show you09:01
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thomazok, i give up... chromium crashed 3 times while trying to upload the picture09:04
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Milo-sshfs <309:05
sivangthomaz: please do09:05
Milo-and scp <309:05
thomazhold on09:05
thomazi think i got it with drag n drop09:05
thomazgtk is seriously messed up09:05
ifreqanyone know is there a ovi suite for osc?09:06
ifreqosx*09:06
jkimball4what's osx?09:06
thomazsivang, http://bayimg.com/image/bajnbaacm.jpg09:07
thomazterrible quality09:07
ruskiehmm odd... openvpn-applet got lost09:07
ruskiethomaz, hmm did you enable 5MP mode09:08
ruskieit was by default 3.5MP here09:08
sivangthomaz: this is unreal09:08
thomazno09:08
sivangruskie: I have09:08
thomazi used default widescreen mode09:08
sivangruskie: and I treid in less pixel mode to try make it better09:08
sivangwe have to do something about it09:08
ifreqyeah write some filters09:08
ifreqbuy a decent pocket cam09:08
ifreqetc09:09
sivangmy iPhoner friends are starting to make jokes of me trying to evengalize the phone to them :)09:09
sivangifreq: are you suggesting that this is a software issue ?09:09
ifreqnope not saying a word.09:09
ifreqas im not quite interested of the cam feature09:09
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sivangifreq: ah, okay09:09
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sivangifreq: for most of the users it will be of interest09:10
ifreqwell i can take pics to share on social networks09:10
ifreqits decent for that09:10
sivang(the non developers users, and I can't possibly assume that NOkia targets this device to developers only)09:10
ifreqas i dont hafty share them 5MP size09:10
KamuiN900slot, looks it for sure09:10
KamuiN900slot: autocomplete fail09:10
KamuiN900sigh...09:10
KamuiN900no tab no char09:11
KamuiN900slot: test09:11
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KamuiN900and fail because im stupid09:12
thomazruskie, do you think 5mp mode will give me a better picture?09:12
KamuiN900slonopotamus:09:12
KamuiN900no such luck. definately read only09:12
ruskiethomaz, well unless the software/hardware does anything special with the extra MPs it probably will a bit09:16
thomazsivang, does the iphone cam take good pictures?09:16
ruskieI don't have atm any good light to take a pic09:17
redeen900its far worse than the n900 cam09:17
redeen900someti09:17
redeen900sometimes the n900 cam does great pics09:17
thomazi think it's a matter of practice09:18
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thomazi've seen good pictures with the n90009:18
ruskiewell you do have the half press for focus... which a lot of people seem to miss09:18
ruskieor don't even know about it09:19
ruskieetc...09:19
threshwell, when the sun is shining, it really does09:19
threshlike http://www.flickr.com/photos/thresh/4245016955/09:20
ruskiehttp://ruskie.codemages.net/caches/20081120032.jpg <-- N95, N900 --> http://ruskie.codemages.net/caches/20091031010.jpg09:20
ruskieof course hard to compare since one is outside the other inside09:20
ruskieand the one inside I believe was at 3.509:21
ruskiebefore I found out it actually defaults to 3.509:21
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ruskieanyway for the most part I only need the large detail in the pics I take with the N90009:22
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ruskieif I want to actually get some decent shots I'll grab my DSLR09:22
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thomazruskie, thanks for the half press focus, i didn't know that09:23
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ifreqheres with 5MP on good lightning: http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/1671/cf72610a4f4d486095b9b1fc5440681d.jpg09:24
ifreqthought its been resized with the ovi service :P09:24
threshnow why did i open vacation photos, i want to go to mountains again09:25
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sivangthomaz: yes, I have a friend who likes to show them off when I tell him he can't see flash :-)09:26
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redeen900anyone that can help me get the onscreen keyboard back? it is enables in settings09:27
pupnikhttp://www.tigert.com/2009/10/18/photojourney-with-n900/  more nice n900 pics09:27
sivangruskie: you in russia ?09:27
sivangruskie: that photo you sent seems to have HUngarian writing09:28
sivangredeen900: how do you try to bring it on?09:28
redeen900sivang: like i always did, press in an input field09:28
thomazhere's the magic of half press focus... before >> http://bayimg.com/image/cajnhaacm.jpg and after >> http://bayimg.com/image/cajnjaacm.jpg09:28
sivangredeen900: and the physical kbd is closed ?09:28
redeen900it stopped working after a reboot09:29
redeen900yes yes09:29
ruskiesivang, no09:29
threshsivang: i am in Russia09:29
sivangredeen900: hmm, at certain input fields it takes more time or more cliks from my experience09:29
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redeen900sivang: i have used the phoene before, the keyboard never appears now09:30
sivangruskie: ah, okay09:30
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ruskiesivang, and where the h... do you see any hungarian writting on that???09:32
threshyeah looks slovenian:)09:33
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ruskie:)09:34
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sivangruskie: I got confused, too early09:36
sivang:)09:36
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redeen900this is really annoying, and ofc it happens on the day i actually need my phone alot09:37
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sivangredeen900: what happens if you re-reboot ?09:37
redeen900i already tried that09:39
redeen900it changes nothing09:39
sivangredeen900: backup ?09:39
sivangredeen900: I always make backups before I install new apps when I first use an N90009:40
redeen900i have not installed anything new09:40
redeen900and im not home so i cant reflash, but obviously it should be solvable without that09:41
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redeen900hello danielwilms09:42
redeen900you wouldnt by an off chance happen to know anything about the onscreen keyboard? ;)09:43
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redeen900gonna try rebooting again09:46
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redeen900ok i fixed it09:51
sivangredeen900: how?09:51
redeen9002 sec09:51
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redeen900i disabled it, restarted, then enabled, and restarted09:52
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sivanghas anyone managed to actually connecto to a GPS ?10:03
sivangsince I got the It failed in all the attempts.10:03
adeusyes10:03
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sivangadeus: I wonder if my phone is just factory damanged10:04
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pupniksivang: gps with tiny radios is hit-and-miss.  n900 is fast with agps.10:11
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pupniksometimes i just don't get a lock without the cellular connection10:12
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prontothe GPS on the n900 works here, it got me with in feet of where i was a few times  (my two HTC phones would get like 100 to 200 feet off at best)10:14
threshlucky you10:16
threshi never got it to work without data connection :(10:16
prontooh w/o data connection?, i havent tried that10:16
threshyeah it's an issue when you're in roaming you know :)10:16
prontoi have an ulimited data plan10:16
prontoso meh10:16
adeusunlimited roaming plan10:17
adeusthat sounds good :)10:17
prontobut now that you say you're trying to get it w/o data connection, how did you get the maps on your device itself?10:17
prontobecause sient it downloading the map data as well?10:17
prontoisnt*10:17
prontonever had a roaming issue ever10:17
prontosince i dont use my phone international , i don't have to worry about roaming10:18
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pupnikpronto: you are using agps, not gps10:21
sivangpupnik: agps is using a data connection instead of the GPS to do location pointing ?10:23
pupnikassist10:23
sivangpupnik: tried it, with Maep, doesn't work10:23
sivangpupnik: how do you ask Maep to give you directions?10:24
pupnik...10:24
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pupnikspeak loudly and slowly "maep, where do i go now?"10:25
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Stskeepsmorning10:27
Stskeepssivang: no, AGPS can get a quick fix with celluar stuff, but it also helps kickstart real GPS fixes.10:27
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ColdFyreis anyone using tmobile with fmms?10:35
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RST38hAnyone knows if Maep author visits here?10:50
Stskeepsisn't it till?10:51
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guerbyhi, anyone knows the AT command to get SIM phonebook? AT+CPBR=1,10 does not work10:54
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timeless_mbpguerby: addressbook, menu, groups, sim card contacts10:57
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guerbytimeless_mbp, yep but not all entries from my previous phone are shown that's why I wanted to check low level10:58
timeless_mbpinteresting10:58
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guerbytimeless_mbp, may be I didn't sync properly SIM from my previous phone (Nokia 6086) let me check10:59
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guerbyhmm I always feel like I'll break something when opening the N90011:02
guerbyI wonder how long the small plastic thing will hold11:02
Stskeepsthe slider?11:03
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Stskeepsif it's anything like the n810, practically unbreakable :P11:03
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sivangStskeeps: I should do some more reading on that wikipedia page then :)11:04
sivangguerby: does the machine gets AT commands?11:04
sivangwowa11:04
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sivangit has been a while since I heared that term :)11:05
sivangreminds me of the BBS days11:05
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guerbyStskeeps, no the battery access11:07
Stskeepsguerby: ah11:07
guerbyStskeeps, the keyboard slider is not an issue :)11:07
guerbyStskeeps, I have a N810 too :)11:07
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aepit isn't? feels like it's quite loose. hard to press down with only one finger, since it tilts11:10
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tk421i like the way it clicks when i open it11:14
guerbytimeless_mbp, ok I just didn't save all contacts to the SIM in my previous phone11:15
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timeless_mbpuser error?11:15
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guerbynow I just have some cut names but I guess it's a SIM limitation11:15
guerbytimeless_mbp, yes11:15
timeless_mbpyes, sim limit11:16
timeless_mbpwhy did you use sim for transfer?11:16
timeless_mbpyou should be able to Import via bluetooth11:16
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hrwmorgning11:20
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guerbytimeless_mbp, yep should have worked as well11:27
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timeless_mbpso, you'll get less dataloss (hopefully none) if you do that11:27
timeless_mbpcould i please get you to try? :)11:27
timeless_mbpif it doesn't work, then we have a bug which needs to be reported, and if it does, you get better data fidelity :)11:27
guerbytimeless_mbp, it will probably create conflict havoc if I reimport via bluetooth11:28
timeless_mbpturn off your presence accounts, and delete your contacts (you imported everything from the sim, right?)11:29
timeless_mbpheck you can create a backup of your contacts using the backup app first :)11:29
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fluxis there a command line clipboard manipulation tool for maemo5 around?11:34
adeussomething beyond xterm does?11:35
fluxsomething like what xclip does11:35
fluxxclip -i < foo -> puts contents of foo into clipboard11:36
alteregoSlight learning curve between N8X0 and N90011:36
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alteregoBut it's quite nice.11:36
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Stskeepsgave in, alterego?11:36
alteregoMy brother loaned me his (hesitantly) for a few days so I could do some testing.11:36
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alteregoI'm going to wait to see if I get anything out of the DDP first11:37
* alterego crosses fingers.11:37
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Stskeepsif you have luck this late in the process, let me know :P11:38
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alteregoStskeeps: I think Quim is negotiating "key members with low karma" devices ;)11:39
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alteregoThough, I'll be lucky if I'm perceived as a "key member" tbh11:40
alteregoBut I might as well try11:40
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Stskeepsmorning andre__ :)11:51
dagbseeing how this channel is fairly quiet now: anyone who cares to provide real-life experiences on battery consumption on the n900? how often do you need to charge it, and how do you use it?11:51
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guerbyhmmm is there a way to copy/paste from a received email? nothing I tried works. I didn't even find a way to save a message as text file11:52
andre__ahoj Stskeeps11:53
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adeusguerby, the only way I've figured out is to reply11:55
MohammadAGguerby, reply then copy from there11:55
adeusand copy from the box11:55
MohammadAGheh11:55
guerbyadeus, MohammadAG copy doesn't seem to work when I reply at least with the stylus, did you use keys?11:56
MohammadAGyes11:57
MohammadAGshift + cursors11:57
guerbyMohammadAG, ok thanks it works11:57
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MohammadAGnp, if only i could get rid of the >11:58
tk421anyone heard of something that allows me to use keys to switch between screens?11:58
alteregotk421: you mean the "virtual home screens"?11:59
tk421perhaps11:59
tk421like ctrl backspace goes back to the apps running11:59
tk421ctrl up and down could take me to desktop and settings12:00
guerbyMohammadAG, timeless_mbp https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=503312:00
povbot`Bug 5033: Select/Copy text within email is nonintuitive/broken12:00
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guerbystill open so no fix expected12:00
MohammadAGwhy isn't povbot working?12:01
MohammadAGhttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=503312:01
povbot`Bug 5033: Select/Copy text within email is nonintuitive/broken12:01
timeless_mbpguerby: um, well, yeah, um12:01
* timeless_mbp shrugs12:01
* timeless_mbp works on browser12:01
timeless_mbpthe mail team is different12:01
timeless_mbpheck, i don't know where they live! :)12:01
timeless_mbpi spend more time talking to the MfE team12:02
timeless_mbpthey're much more responsive :)12:02
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Robot101there should be a modest irc channel somewhere, no?12:03
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MohammadAG#modest maybe?12:03
guerbytimeless_mbp, BTW on browser do you know how to right click?12:03
MohammadAGhold12:03
MohammadAGyep #modest but it's kinda empty lol12:04
MohammadAGonly 3 users there12:04
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timeless_mbpguerby: tap and hold12:05
guerbytimeless_mbp, doesn't work on google maps when I activate the "crossed arrow" mode12:06
* fcrozat wishes there was a shortcut to close a fullscreen browser window12:06
guerbydon't remember the name in  the manual12:06
guerbyto have a regular mouse12:06
timeless_mbpfcrozat: ctrl-backspace? tap power key?12:06
MohammadAGguerby, why would you need to right click in arrow mode?12:07
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guerbyMohammadAG, to get a context menu in google maps12:07
timeless_mbpguerby: i get that when in normal mode12:07
MohammadAGuse it in normal mode12:07
timeless_mbpsurely it won't kill you to swap modes12:07
MohammadAG^^^12:07
fcrozattimeless_mbp: Ctrl-backspace will return me to applications list (so two keys) and requires sliding keyboard. Isn't power key / terminate a little to much to kill the window ? (I haven't tested)12:07
timeless_mbpfcrozat: yes it12:08
guerbyMohammadAG, in normal mode I get "copy image" menu from browser12:08
timeless_mbpit's supposed to be 'close active window' not 'kill the app brutally'12:08
guerbynot the context menu from google maps12:08
fcrozatthis is a little problematic when using portrait (unsupported) mode with new windows opened (by google reader for instance)12:08
MohammadAGfcrozat, download camerad12:08
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fcrozatMohammadAG: still two clicks :) (but I thought about it and it seems it was causing my n900 to become a little unstable)12:09
timeless_mbpfcrozat: konttori wants to enable the title bar for portrait mode12:09
guerbytimeless_mbp, so normal mode tap and hold doesn't work on google maps to get right click12:09
timeless_mbpguerby: WFM12:09
timeless_mbpfcrozat: not sure if we'll manage to get that into the browser too for 1.212:09
MohammadAGi prefer the bug to make the n900 go it portrait mode12:09
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MohammadAGat least you get the title bar12:10
fcrozattimeless_mbp: that would be good, but it would still requires two clicks (either portrait or landscape) ;)12:10
MohammadAGand the bottom bar12:10
fcrozatfunny, I can't get star to work in google reader iphone view, in portrait mode12:10
guerbytimeless_mbp, you get the context menu from google when you leave the stylet on a point for a while?12:10
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guerbyI wonder what I do wrong12:10
timeless_mbpguerby: i use my fingernail, but..12:10
timeless_mbpabout 2s12:11
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MohammadAGbe sure to see it highlight before holding12:11
guerbyfor me image blurs then I get "copy image" and "save image as" menu12:11
MohammadAGyou might be holding an empty area12:11
fcrozattimeless_mbp: hmm, using power key, it killed all browser windows :(12:11
timeless_mbpguerby: you are using 51-1, right?12:12
timeless_mbpfcrozat: 'oops' ;-)12:12
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* fcrozat smells "killall browserd" somewhere :)12:12
guerbytimeless_mbp, 2.2009.51-112:12
timeless_mbpfcrozat: nah, that wouldn't work12:12
timeless_mbpmore like killall browser12:13
timeless_mbpfcrozat: i'll poke someone about that today12:13
fcrozatis there a "go to top / bottom page" shortcut for browser ?12:13
timeless_mbpno.12:13
timeless_mbpbut feel free to file a bug saying that 'close active window' isn't doing what it says12:13
fcrozatkinetic scrolling can be very long sometime :)12:14
* fcrozat opens a bug report for the "close active task"12:14
MyrttiFun sitting at the lobby, first time on personal business12:14
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timeless_mbpMyrtti: you @nokia?12:15
aephm, can you disable kinetic scrolling?12:15
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timeless_mbpaep: no12:15
MyrttiYeah12:15
aepsad12:15
guerbytimeless_mbp, well I don't know what I do wrong but I always get the image menu12:15
timeless_mbpMyrtti: waiting for a lunch mate?12:16
* timeless_mbp wouldn't mind dropping by to say hello12:16
* timeless_mbp is 10mins away12:16
MyrttiI have an appointment of being a guinea pig of some kind :-(12:16
* Stskeeps will have a thursday with first a haircut and then dentist. so lovely.12:17
MyrttiNo familiar faces seen yet. Im surprised12:18
Stskeepseven though longer hair might be nice to stand finnish winter next week12:18
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MyrttiHair is overrated12:19
fcrozatfilled as bug #830612:20
povbot`Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8306 choosing "stop active task" in power menu kills all browser window12:20
guerbytimeless_mbp, about: says MicroB 3.6 maemo browser 1.5.6 RX-51 N90012:20
timeless_mbpguerby: sorry, i just moved aware from 51-1 last night12:20
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timeless_mbpbut i know it worked12:20
timeless_mbpone thing i should ask:12:21
timeless_mbphave you installed *any* browser related packages?12:21
timeless_mbpbrowser user agent changers / forgers12:21
timeless_mbpbrowser switchboard12:21
timeless_mbpadblock/geoloc/greasemonkey/...12:22
fralsStskeeps: he. also got dentist appointment, next tuesday though. >_<12:22
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Stskeepsfrals: i have four wisdom teeth in queue for being taken out, so i hope my dentist doesn't get funny ideas12:23
frals:D12:23
hrwtimeless_mbp: does future brings something working better?12:23
* fcrozat really needs to find time to remap some dead keys to physical qwerty for french accentuated letters12:23
timeless_mbphrw: gecko1.9.212:23
hrwtimeless_mbp: nice12:24
timeless_mbpand apparently string changes that i haven't handled12:24
* timeless_mbp grumbles and goes to figure out which way to handle them12:24
sivangStskeeps: I have 2 of them, locked between others, terribly painful12:25
timeless_mbpfcrozat: all i want is a way to replace GBP w/ PIPE12:25
sivangStskeeps: the proble with the removal is that it damages the jaw structure, and can have side effects at an older age to come.12:25
sivanghey timeless_mbp12:25
timeless_mbphi12:26
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Stskeepssivang: mine is pushing out another corner teeth which i really don't want to have damaged too badly as i plan to eat steak for many years to come12:26
Stskeeps:P12:26
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fcrozattimeless_mbp: not a bad idea either :)12:26
fcrozatshould I fill a enhancement request for Ctrl-Up / Ctrl-Down to go top / bottom of web page ?12:27
fcrozatseems sensible12:27
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timeless_mbpfcrozat: so...12:28
sgbirchHow do you find the EXACT source used to build packages released from extras-testing?12:28
timeless_mbpup/down don't exist on most keyboards12:28
timeless_mbpsgbirch: you don't12:28
sgbirchId like to look at pwsafe12:28
timeless_mbpat least, it doesn't really work that way12:28
fcrozattimeless_mbp: damn.. I forgot12:29
timeless_mbpfor extras, you can find the builder logs12:29
timeless_mbpand see which packages it pulled in12:29
fcrozatpoor users12:29
X-Fadesgbirch: apt-get source?12:29
fcrozatctrl-left / Ctrl-right then ? (not very pretty)12:29
timeless_mbpif the package is in 'free' instead of 'non-free', then in general, the sources should be in the repo12:29
timeless_mbpError: could not open file for reading, trying lower image quality format!? $@$@$12:30
* timeless_mbp wtfs12:30
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: the source repos dont seem to be set up, apt-get source fails12:30
guerbyMohammadAG, do you get the "direction from here" google menu when you're holding the stylus on one point?12:30
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timeless_mbpsgbirch: yeah well, you have to add them12:30
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: the reason for this .. I want to know if I can trust pwsafe with bank account numberfs12:30
timeless_mbp /etc/apt.d/sources.list.d/12:30
timeless_mbpjust add a file12:30
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sgbirchtimeless_mbp: was that a typo .. should it be /etc/apt/sources.list.d/   (no .d after apt)12:32
timeless_mbpyes12:32
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sgbirchtimeless_mbp:12:32
timeless_mbpwell, thougho12:32
timeless_mbpt12:32
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sgbirchtimeless_mbp: would "deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing fremantle free non-free" be correct?12:34
timeless_mbpsounds right12:34
timeless_mbpdon't forget to specify the version you care about when you get source12:35
timeless_mbpbecause you want to check the version you're using, not some other one :)12:35
MohammadAGguerby, lol no, it's not working anymore12:35
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guerbyMohammadAG, you get blur then the copy image browser menu?12:35
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: hmm .. I didnt realize you had to do that, what is "the other one"12:36
MohammadAGthe context menu yes12:36
X-Fadesgbirch: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/pool/fremantle/free/source/12:36
MohammadAGin arrow mode it doesn't do anything12:36
X-Fadesgbirch: You can browse it with your browser too.12:36
timeless_mbpsgbirch: well, consider that if you install version 1.012:36
guerbyMohammadAG, ok so you don't get the google context menu "direction from here" etc...12:36
timeless_mbpand then 1.1 is added to the repo, and it has a conflict or something12:36
guerbyI wonder what trigger the behaviour12:36
timeless_mbpif you apt-get source, you'll get 1.112:36
sgbirchThe installed version has a 'f' postfix, was not sure why12:37
MohammadAGnomis, the system context menu12:37
* timeless_mbp frowns12:37
timeless_mbpyou guys aren't getting the google maps menu?12:37
timeless_mbpi got it consistently while using 51-112:37
sgbirchpwsafe 1.5.5f ...12:37
sgbirchI expected 1.5.512:37
redcan u guy see this?12:38
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, in normal/arrow mode?12:38
timeless_mbpred: no12:38
reddamn, registration didn't work12:38
guerbytimeless_mbp, I've never been able to get the google context menu whatever I do12:38
timeless_mbpred: if your message is rejected, the irc server will give you an error message12:38
guerbynormal mode arrow mode whatever12:38
MohammadAGdo i have to be zoomed in or something?12:38
timeless_mbpguerby: i'll have to go find an n900 w/ 51-1 :(12:38
timeless_mbpbut this really does work12:38
timeless_mbpi was using it for >1month12:39
redtimeless_mbp: it will unless you've hidden most things that show up in status to see relevant stuff easy12:39
guerbytimeless_mbp, do you want me to open a bug?12:39
timeless_mbp(on 51-1)12:39
timeless_mbpguerby: no12:39
timeless_mbpred: well, don't do that =b12:39
redtimeless_mbp: and well, i've disabled some semi-relevant stuff on the side but cba to tweak12:39
guerbytimeless_mbp, uh ok12:39
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HukkaHey, any debian users around willing to test one thing in pysqlite2?12:39
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timeless_mbpguerby: so, you really don't have any browser addons?12:39
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MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, it's not working here too12:40
guerbytimeless_mbp, absolutely none (I refrained from installing adblock)12:40
guerby(to test the browser)12:40
sgbirchHukka: would ubuntu be ok?12:40
guerbytimeless_mbp, about:plugins says only "default plug-in"12:41
timeless_mbpanyway, i'll be in the office w/in about 2hours, i'll hunt for a device and play then12:41
Hukkasgbirch: No, I'm on ubuntu, and I'd like to test if debian has same kind of problem12:41
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sgbirchHukka: oh .. ok12:41
timeless_mbpguerby: there are extensions, hacks, and plugins12:41
timeless_mbpplugins are unlikely to be interesting12:41
timeless_mbpextensions and hacks are12:41
guerbytimeless_mbp, let me check12:41
Hukkasgbirch: There's a bug report that says it's fixed in debian, so I'm wondering if it just hasn't propagated to Ubuntu yet12:41
sgbirchk12:42
timeless_mbptap the title bar, options(settings?), addons,12:42
timeless_mbptap the extensions icon12:42
pupnikdammit cavity12:42
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guerbytimeless_mbp, atlas default mediaplayer nokia messagebus shockwave12:43
bionoidAnyone else experienced a crazy bug on N900 with device lock on and incoming call while playing music? My phone went absolutely nuts, blinking between the unlock screen, answer call screen and black. I managed to hit answer (without unlocking), but music kept blasting and no audio from the caller.12:43
bionoidI can't seem to reproduce it though :/12:44
guerbyextensions: single sign on ovi12:44
guerbytimeless_mbp, nothing else12:44
timeless_mbpok12:44
timeless_mbpanyway, i can't do anything until i get another n90012:44
timeless_mbpso it'll take 2 hours12:44
guerbytimeless_mbp, ok no hurry12:45
guerbyI'll be on the road and without 3G until late today12:45
HukkaGrah, the debian package wants python << 2.6. Why?!12:45
HukkaCan't just install it to Karmic12:45
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nomis12:47
nomiseh.12:48
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sgbirchtimeless_mbp: still trying to add the source repo, it complains that public key isnt available: 667387BFFF445C2412:51
timeless_mbpdo you care?12:51
timeless_mbpif you do, ask a wiki and decide if you trust the wiki12:51
* timeless_mbp shrugs12:51
timeless_mbpyou're being paranoid in a way which is going to fail anyway12:52
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sgbirchtimeless_mbp: yes ... its part paranoid but mainly learning curve. I want to learn more about the way the n900 source is stored.12:53
timeless_mbp"in hidden repositories between a build system which is entirely illogical"12:53
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: I am thinking of helping port some packages from debian to increase the package count12:53
timeless_mbpuseful packages or just stacking the count?12:53
* timeless_mbp is still annoyed at someone stacking the CVE count for no good reason12:54
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: hidden repos ... really, are you sure12:54
timeless_mbpsgbirch: most of the maemo5 ui is hidden :)12:54
timeless_mbpthe vcs for maemo5 code is generally not public12:54
timeless_mbpsgbirch: my sources for my interesting packages aren't published (i have reasons)12:54
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: I am starting to discover that. I cant believe Nokia has come so far ... and dropped the ball12:54
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: the n900 could become the ubuntu of phones12:55
threshoh noes12:55
* Stskeeps gets the popcorn12:55
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: by that I mean .. popularity12:55
w00tused by a majority of an overly vocal minority, you mean?12:55
timeless_mbpsgbirch: so...12:56
fralslol w00t12:56
timeless_mbpwe have way more customers than nokia management knows what to do with12:56
timeless_mbpc.f. the availability shortage earlier12:56
timeless_mbpand the perennial server shortages12:57
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GeneralAntillesWhat an awful affliction.12:57
GeneralAntilles(death to the dinosaurs)12:57
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: you mean production cannot keep up with demand?12:57
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: on the hardware side?12:57
timeless_mbpinitial production was throttled / limited12:57
timeless_mbpbecause management didn't think there'd be demand12:57
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: lmao12:58
timeless_mbpthey got the message, but it takes a bit to fix that (about 2months to get the trickle down i suppose)12:58
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: this has the potential to be the best damn phone ever made12:58
Stskeepsbesides the first phone?12:58
Stskeeps:P12:58
sgbirchStskeeps: Come here watson ... yes12:58
* timeless_mbp pokes sgbirch in private12:59
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: but while they fix production shortfalls we can be working on the software12:59
timeless_mbpsgbirch: yeah, hence i'm testing 1.2's browser13:00
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: maybe Nokia doesnt realize how productive and FREE a motivated community can be13:00
Stskeepssgbirch: they have several years of experience in that13:00
Stskeepsit isn't always pretty13:00
* GeneralAntilles is inclined to blame management.13:00
sgbirchStskeeps: They are SO close13:00
Stskeepssgbirch: they state 80% open, 20% closed for the platform13:00
Stskeepswhich is fair, since they have to make money13:01
murraycandre__: What bugzilla product should I use to file a bug about the swipe-to-close clock. It doesn't show the time when using some themes, because the foreground and background colors are the same.13:01
timeless_mbpmurrayc: that'd be a bug in the theme, no?13:01
sgbirchStskeeps: That is fine, dont have a problem with that13:01
murrayctimeless_mbp: Maybe. But I think apps should be aware of the colors imposed on them by the theme, maybe via platform API.13:01
Stskeepssgbirch: so, what do you mean by ubuntu? :P13:01
sgbirchStskeeps: I WANT them to make money and dont mind helping for free13:02
timeless_mbpmurrayc: and do what, work against the theme?13:02
sgbirchStskeeps: Even though my day job is integrating software on Ubuntu13:02
timeless_mbpwhat if a themer *wants* to hide something? :)13:02
Stskeepssgbirch: and what's keeping you?13:02
* andre__ wonders what swipe-to-close bug is13:02
Stskeeps(i'm not here to discuss, i'm here to help you doing so)13:02
sgbirchStskeeps: Nothing, I am starting up the learning curve13:02
redtimeless_mbp: kinda funny about the demand. have a friend still waiting for N900 and he ordered two days later than I did.13:02
redand I've had mine for month and 10 days :)13:03
murrayctimeless_mbp,: I don't know what the documented thing to do is, but I can imagine either a) the theme tells the app what foreground color to use. b) The app discovers the background color and choose an apppriate foreground color.13:03
red8*13:03
andre__murrayc: try Desktop / Themes13:03
Stskeepssgbirch: maemo.gitorious.org is always a good place to start :)13:03
murraycandre__: What if I think that the app should work with all themes?13:03
sgbirchStskeeps: my first baby step is to set up the apt so I can apt-get source13:03
timeless_mbpmurrayc: basically, themebuilder is or whichever template a theme is using is responsible for explaining to themers how things work13:03
sgbirchStskeeps: git is my friend13:03
aepis the menu hardcoded or can i change that via some config?13:04
andre__murrayc, actually I still don't know what app you talk about, hence file a ticket with steps, and we'll see :)13:04
timeless_mbpaep: system menu is an xml backed thing13:04
timeless_mbpthere's an addon for turning on/off the phone module13:04
aepeww, sounds like not configurable13:04
timeless_mbpoh, it's pluggable13:04
sgbirchStskeeps: Wow.  What is that site for, it looks great13:04
timeless_mbpworks quite nicely13:04
murraycandre__: The clock with the swipe bar when you just press the power key when the N900 is sleeping13:04
Stskeepssgbirch: it's where maemo is openly developed13:04
Stskeepswell, one of the spots13:05
murraycandre__: Which took me weeks to even discover.13:05
GeneralAntillesUnlock screen.13:05
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aepuh i just got the main menu and more.. displayd the same time. oO13:06
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GeneralAntillesaep, known bug.13:07
GeneralAntillesaep, was improved in PR1.1.13:07
aepok good.13:07
GeneralAntillesBut not actually fixed like they asserted.13:07
aeperr but how do i make it go away? heh13:08
aeprestart i guess13:08
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GeneralAntillesbug #636113:09
povbot`Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6361 'base' and 'more' applications are visible sametime (messed)13:09
aepthanks13:09
* GeneralAntilles prods povbot`.13:10
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Not registered? :)13:10
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GeneralAntillesHa13:10
GeneralAntillesWin13:10
sgbirchIn Nokia still working on the bluetooth issue? seems like the stack still has problems13:11
sgbirchs/In/Is/13:11
infobotsgbirch meant: Is Nokia still working on the bluetooth issue? seems like the stack still has problems13:11
* RST38h reYawns13:11
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sgbirchwhat is the correct/recommended way for a user to disconnect a bt device?  Should the device simply be powered down or must it be disconnected using the n900 menus first?13:14
lcuktimeless, did i see you embedded in a meeting yesterday13:15
sgbirchI ask because my Nokia bt speakers are a bit temperamental. Id like to just turn them off13:15
pekujaI think the nature of the beast is such that since the devices can't count on a constant connection anyhow, you should be able to just turn them off, I think13:16
RST38hpower it down and n900 will disconnect it after a while13:16
RST38hor disconnect it through the top menu13:16
pekujaI mean, for the N900 the result would be the same if you just carried the speakers out of range13:16
RST38hyes13:16
sgbirchok .. thanks13:16
sgbirchpr1.1 is much better with bt, but not yet perfect13:17
lcukRST38h, moo!13:17
sgbirchbefore pr1.1 you could disconnect by just using them :-)13:17
RST38hheya lcuk13:17
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RST38h"I thought i heard somewhere you could charge the n900 using the old nokia chargers through the audio out?" Join datew: Jan 201013:18
RST38hIs it me getting older or them getting dumber?13:18
lcuk*blink*13:19
aeptell them you can also charge it by running in circles screaming "IMA CHICKEN"13:19
X-FadeThat is a nice way to blow things up ;)13:19
alteregoI was thinking to my self, "Wow, the file manager is aweful". But then I thought, actually, it's probably good enough for a normal "user" it's pretty similar to the built in S60 one really.13:19
alteregoI'd like it to (when going up) to act more like a back and move the list to where it was before.13:20
RST38h"Haha, that won't work, that would require the audio-jack to have a pin in the middle... And it won't." Join Date: Dec 200913:20
lcukalterego, check for bugs then13:20
lcukand file if not13:20
GeneralAntillesalterego, by the way, Ah ha ha @ borrowing your brother's N900.13:20
RemosiRST38h, Geniuses!13:20
lcukRST38h, induction13:20
sgbirchRST38h: Cant you just wire a 3.5mm jack to a wall plug and not bother with a transformer?  I am sure that would work. :)13:20
RST38hlcuk: no shit...13:21
RST38hsgbirch: no need for jacks, your body is a good enough electricity conductor13:21
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sgbirchRST38h: lol13:21
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hrwalterego: s60 filemanager is useful. maemo5 one is useless13:21
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RST38hs60 filemanager useful? noooo13:22
hrwalterego: on s60 (v3fp1) I can check all dirs of internal storage and memory card. under maemo5 I cannot go below ~user/13:22
alteregohrw: you're kidding? The inbuilt S60 filemanager? It's pretty much the same functionality as the maemo one ..13:22
RST38hhrw: But really, why don't you implement your own or port an existing one (like Roxfiler) correctly?13:22
hrwRST38h: thinking of it - time limits13:23
RST38hlots of people will be grateful13:23
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alteregoI was going to make a "PowerFileManager" application myself actually.13:23
hrwroxfiler is no no for me. even when I used it I patched half of it out13:23
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lcuki cant imagine my mum ever needing to browse the contents of /etc or something, let alone explain why she cant do anything with the contents there anyway13:23
aepthere is mc for those who like menu thingies13:23
hrwalterego: build pcmanfm?13:23
alteregoYeah, that might work13:24
hrwI wonder will ~user/MyDocs/.umbaumba/ will be shown by maemo5 'files' as Umbaumba dir ;D13:24
hrwand no, I do not want to check it13:24
alteregoNo, it's not a "special" dir.13:24
pupnik_file browser not going above MyDocs is a feature13:25
hrwI hate maemo5 special dirs13:25
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hrwpupnik_: I have a dir in ~user/13:25
alteregopupnik_: I agree, the built in file manager should be "shit" from our perspectives.13:25
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RST38hhrw: just stay away from emelfm please13:25
RST38hhrw: pcmanfm may work well13:25
timeless_mbplcuk: hrm13:26
timeless_mbpme, in a meeting13:26
timeless_mbpoh wait, you're around aren't you13:26
alteregoAgreed, I'll look into porting it this evening.13:26
timeless_mbp~let's get together, yeah, yeah, yeah~13:26
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sgbirchis there a way to make a n900 speak irc traffic as it comes in (using espeak)13:28
wazdheya all13:28
timeless_mbpsgbirch: out of the box the n900 doesn't do irc :)13:28
wazdhttp://www.kdedevelopers.org/files/images/Screenshot-20100119-141352.png <- eeew13:29
timeless_mbpso you're basically asking "can xchat, pidgin, or some third party addon do it"13:29
timeless_mbpwazd: what's wrong w/ that?13:29
lcuktimeless, heh yeah im here till the end of the week13:29
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: I was thinking maybe xchat -> expeak13:29
timeless_mbplcuk: did you grab lunch?13:29
* timeless_mbp could use lunch13:29
lcukyes, too late, lunched already.13:30
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: so, that "Phone" is under "Network" in catorize13:30
wazdtimeless_mbp: well, looks like a mess :) I'm thinking of writing a blogpost with improvements13:30
timeless_mbpis going to take a lot of getting used to13:30
timeless_mbpwazd: good luck with that13:30
timeless_mbpif this is the same group i'm thinking of13:30
timeless_mbpi sent them feedback and nothing happened13:30
timeless_mbp(tm)13:30
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sgbirchtimeless_mbp: yes .. that is correct .. I am asking if xchatm pidgin or some third part addon can do speak irc traffic13:31
pupniksurely irssi can with some plugin13:31
* timeless_mbp pokes telepathy/sophia-sip13:32
* timeless_mbp can't hear a ringing tone13:32
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aepumm where is the users "Audio CLips"  directory?  (anything that media player finds works for me)13:33
timeless_mbpaep: anything in ~/MyDocs is indexed13:33
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Stskeepsmorn javispedro13:34
javispedromorning13:34
aepnice.13:35
aepwhere is it anyway? ;)13:35
timeless_mbp~/MyDocs/.audio iirc13:35
aepah dot oO13:35
aepthanks13:35
timeless_mbpsorry ~/MyDocs/.sounds13:35
aepyeah. just didnt think it has a dot. seeing them all now13:36
pupnikhttp://chadok.info/darcs/irssi-espeak/espeak.pl13:36
timeless_mbpyou can read the irc logs for my explanation of why it is the way it is13:36
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pupniki have a couple thousand files under ~/MyDocs - do not want it all to be crawled13:37
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timeless_mbpthere's a tracker config file you can use to tell it not to look at certain files13:39
* timeless_mbp wonders how to find a 'welho' bill in an online system13:40
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timeless_mbpnice, my card transactions are hidden elsewhere13:42
pupniklooks to me like tracker.cfg does not scann all of MyDocs, but instead specific .* directories13:42
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Stskeepstimeless_mbp: central metro station is still FUBAR?13:43
timeless_mbpStskeeps: it isn't scheduled to open for a while13:43
Stskeepsk13:43
timeless_mbpit was still dead on monday :)13:43
* Stskeeps notes himself to take a taxi13:43
timeless_mbpStskeeps: from airport?13:43
Stskeepsnah13:43
Stskeepsbus from airport, taxi to hotel13:44
timeless_mbpwhere's your hotel, when do you arrive?13:44
timeless_mbpoh darn, it's lunch time13:44
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: I am trying to find your discussion about the n900 dot decision, is there an faq on it?13:44
Stskeepswell, i can always walk but at that point i'll be trying to deal with the cold :P13:44
timeless_mbpsgbirch: only in that i've repeatedly explained it here13:44
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lcukStskeeps, which hotel are you in13:44
timeless_mbpi'll probably stick it into my blog someday13:45
Stskeepslcuk: will be in omena/eerinkatu13:45
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: PLEASE!!!  Then next time some noob like me asks you can just send the url13:45
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X-FadeStskeeps: I use that one all the time. Works fine.13:45
StskeepsX-Fade: yeah, my third visit :P13:45
X-FadeStskeeps: And free internet now ;)13:45
StskeepsX-Fade: yeah, i noticed that13:46
X-FadeStskeeps: And on a good day you can even walk to nrc ;)13:47
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RST38hNew Vulture's Eye is out, please, test and vote: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/vultures/2.2.100-1maemo513:55
Myrttifsck13:55
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javispedrohm.. transifex looks nice14:05
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xorAxAxgoogle patented map/reduce14:13
xorAxAxso stop selling software written in functional languages :)14:13
Myrttimeh14:14
Myrttidear twitter. could you please clean up your act so I can get things over with and go home?14:15
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javispedroxorAxAx: Palm,Inc. has a patent on garbage collection, so ....14:19
Shrik3ah, software patents14:19
Shrik3they make life exciting14:19
xorAxAxjavispedro: which way of GC?14:20
Shrik3lessee what the apple vs nokia kerfuffle results in14:20
alteregoI have to say, I'm extremely happy with the N900, I wish I had my own now :(14:20
javispedroxorAxAx: actually I just remember it's not about GC but rather plain dynamic memory allocation14:21
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alteregoI'm gonna have to give this one back to my brother in a couple of days, I'll probably make an image of what I've setup though in anticipation of me eventually getting my own.14:21
xorAxAxjavispedro: ah14:21
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wazdSonic the Hedgehog: $5.99 for the iPhone14:23
Myrttifscking twitter14:23
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hrwRST38h: what is it?14:24
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javispedro"According to one embodiment, a method is disclosed. The method includes launching a first application on a handheld device implementing a Palm Operating System (OS), and launching a second application." sigh.14:27
xorAxAx:)14:28
Stskeepsjavispedro: could you do me a favour and pull gconftool-2 -R /apps from a SDK that have had the UI running?14:28
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javispedroStskeeps: should I run gconf-clean.sh before running the GUI?14:28
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javispedrowell, better so14:28
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Stskeepsjavispedro: i need something related to input method so14:30
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javispedrohttp://pastebin.com/d2ea6d37714:31
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javispedroStskeeps^^14:31
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javispedro(fremantle update3)14:31
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Stskeepsah, lovely14:32
Stskeepsthanks14:32
* Stskeeps needs to find a way to petition the opening of the input method as this is getting crazy14:32
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javispedroand someone's using Gconf as IPC?14:32
timeless_mbpso, about context menu14:32
* SpeedEvil passes Stskeeps a pitchforn and a burning torch.14:33
timeless_mbpyou have to hold shift while you tap and hold14:33
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timeless_mbp"I'm powerless!"14:33
timeless_mbp(someone stole my mbp's power adapter+cable)14:33
swc|666lame14:34
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Mohanhi14:40
Mohandoes n900 charges when its bricked ?14:40
Mohanwill n900 show something when its powered on when its bricked?14:41
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TomaszDkulve, are you planning on updating your gstreamer decoder packages? PR1.1 brought new gstreamer packages, this might get ugly15:45
kulveTomaszD: at some point yes. I'm waiting for the new maemo servers be up'n'running because it was way too slow to do anything..15:45
TomaszDkulve, apt-get source works fine in scratchbox here15:46
kulvewhat about the build machine?15:46
pupnikkulve: would it be unreasonable to request libpulsedsp.so and /dev/dsp?15:46
TomaszDkulve, it just failed on me within a minute, so it works15:46
TomaszDbut for some reason it's still using old gstreamer packages...?15:47
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kulvepupnik: I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean..?15:47
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pupnika number of older linux games expect /dev/dsp to exist, and pulseaudio has a compatibility module for that, except maemo pulseaudio-utils does not have a working one15:48
pupnikwe used to use esddsp on N8x015:49
kulvepupnik: ah, for some reason I read that /lib/dsp and though you have some DSP stuff for pulseaudio.. ;)15:49
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kulvethat doesn't really relate to ogg, however.15:49
kulveI think it would be better to create a separate package for that thing, I guess15:50
pupniki understand, just remembered that you did some sound work and thought i'd ask15:50
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pupnikbuilding uae4all from scratch takes 3 seconds on my new box15:51
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TomaszDhow... how did they build the package in the sdk if the autobuilder fails to build it...15:53
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TomaszDconfigure: Requested 'gstreamer-0.10 >= 0.10.24' but version of GStreamer is 0.10.23.115:53
TomaszDbuilds fine locally15:54
* timeless pokes lcuk15:54
X-FadeTomaszD: PR1.1 sdk instead of 1.0?15:54
TomaszDX-Fade, yes15:54
X-FadeTomaszD: Autobuilder uses 1.015:55
TomaszDX-Fade, when will it start using 1.1?15:55
X-FadeTomaszD: Never.15:55
X-FadeTomaszD: 1.1 is not backwards compatible with 1.0, this needs to be fixed.15:55
X-FadeTomaszD: And is on target for PR1.215:56
StskeepsTomaszD: "Backwards compatibility broken PR1.1 SDK" discussion on maemo-developers i think15:56
TomaszDX-Fade, so what is the solution for this at the moment? upload non-free?15:56
X-FadeTomaszD: No, revert to 1.015:57
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TomaszDah, so not do anything then (my changes are specifically for PR1.1 deps)15:57
X-FadeTomaszD: Extras does not support 1.1 specific features at the moment.15:57
X-FadeTomaszD: Check the mailinglist discussion. This is something that needs to be fixed on sdk level.15:57
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X-FadeWe reverted to protect users as it causes installation of apps to fail.15:58
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TomaszDI would imagine that there could be a debian/version file like the debian/optify one to tell the autobuilder which SDK release to use, but it's not ideal15:59
X-FadeTomaszD: Again, check discussion :)15:59
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TomaszDalright, I'll take a look16:00
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aepmost manuals jump from running the installeer script to using apt, but how do i get apt into this thing?16:00
SpeedEvilit's already there16:01
aepthe scratchbox thingy, sorry16:01
SpeedEviloh16:01
aepnope. no such command16:01
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SpeedEvilI need to setup the sb thing16:02
SpeedEvilbut meh16:02
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aepi think i'll build my own toolchain.. this is all scary16:03
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pupnikaep: seen MADD?16:03
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AndrewFBlackgrrr have to leave channel to set name to AndrewFBlack because of lock16:04
aeppupnik: yes, the installer just quits silently after the license16:04
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AndrewFBlackanyway 24 hours since I posted about maemo.org theme and no replys I´ve never gone so long without someone complaining about a theme of mine16:04
pupnikyou forgot to include a bug to see how many people use it16:05
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alteregoAnyone use the "Location" desktop widget?16:11
alteregoI keep getting errors "Unable to retreive map data" or16:12
alteregosomething like that.16:12
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alteregoHah, so the N900 shows up as a "Phone" on bluetooth now, lame.16:19
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Arkenoialterego: it works reasonably good for me16:22
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alteregoDoesn't work at all for me :(16:25
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alteregoOh, now it's working .. Weird.16:26
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Arkenoialterego: it could thake awhile for gps to get position16:29
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alteregoArkenoi: I think it's a network issue.16:34
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alteregoArkenoi: the only difference is now I'm getting the network via an adhoc wireless connection to my laptop16:34
lopzhola ;)16:34
alteregoAloha16:35
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MohammadAG_err what filesystems does fremantle support?16:36
alteregoubifs, vfat16:36
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MohammadAG_and vfat is fat32 right?16:36
alteregoyeah, and fat, and ext316:37
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MohammadAG_erm, so what parition does it look for first?16:37
MohammadAG_cause it says memory card not supported16:37
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MohammadAG_(I'm dual booting mer so I formatted a partition of the card in ext316:38
alteregoand ext2, nfs msdos and god knows what through fuse :)16:38
alteregoMight need to modprobe ext2?16:38
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MohammadAG_err16:39
MohammadAG_on my PC it's /dev/sdd1 ext316:40
MohammadAG_sdd2 swap16:40
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MohammadAG_and sdd3 is fat3216:40
X-FadeMohammadAG_: Probably expects the first partition to be fat3216:40
MohammadAG_well I moved it and it stayed as sdd316:41
MohammadAG_repartitioning16:41
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pupnikbrowsing on n900 and microb is really amazing.  it is as fast as my desktop for practical purposes16:45
threshyou seem to be the only one guy who's microb is fast16:45
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pupnikhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1226699  thresh, last page i pulled up16:47
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alteregoN900 microb runs beautifully for me too.16:52
alteregoSuch an improvement from N8X016:52
threshit is really slow even compared to firefox16:53
alteregoNot for me.16:53
alteregoAre you sure it's not your crap internet connection? :P16:53
X-Fadethresh: No way, take a 5 year old pc and use ff there.16:53
udovdhalterego, what is different in hardware (cpu, ram) from n8x0 to n900?16:53
alteregoudovdh: a lot :P16:54
X-Fadeudovdh: 3 times the power, twice the ram.16:54
udovdhhmm16:54
udovdhalso battery life?16:54
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alteregoBattery life, for me, seems better.16:54
X-FadeBasically the same.16:54
threshX-Fade: I do use Celeron M 1.4 on daily basis16:54
udovdhok...16:54
alteregoYeah, same or better.16:54
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X-FadeIf you use it as a tablet.16:54
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udovdhaccess point usage is different, I guess ;-)16:54
alteregoI've mainly been using it as a tablet, I've made 3 phone calls since I borrowed it yesterday morning.16:55
X-Fadethresh: Still no comparison16:55
MohammadAG_memory card format unsupported :/16:55
threshX-Fade: you asked for 5 years old one, i replied :P16:55
MohammadAG_any advice?16:56
X-Fadethresh: It basically is firefox.16:56
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alteregoIs it possible to get the IM to go through a proxy?16:58
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ifreqIM is quite wide protocol range17:02
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TomaszDanyone has any examples of how to use maemo-confirm-text? I don't really know where to put the file to display17:03
MohammadAG_well dual booting didn't go well17:05
MohammadAG_nothing happened, it just went into maemo17:05
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TomaszDnevermind, I figured it out I think17:06
alteregoWhere's the positions of home widgets kept?17:06
SplasPoodalterego: I'd like to know that as well... so I can force them into alignment ;)17:07
alteregoSplasPood: exactly ;)17:07
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alteregoApparently in gconf17:09
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SplasPoodalterego: good to know, hadn't bothered lookin yet..  I'll check it out later..  Thanks!17:10
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MohammadAG_well sorted the boot menu17:11
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MohammadAG_but the device shuts down instead of booting up17:11
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alteregoSplasPood: gconf path /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/applets17:12
tybollthmm I had a bizarre incident last night17:12
tybolltthe device shut down during the course of the night while hooked to the charger on my nightstand17:13
tybolltfunny thing is when I turn it on in the morning as I wake up the bugger has a fully loaded battery17:13
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tybolltso the only reason I can see for it shutting down is software fault... spontaneous such as the device was really not in use17:14
tybolltOR one of my lolcats shut it down... that's probably less likely though ;)17:14
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TomaszDduplicate value for user-defined field `Maemo-Display-Name'17:21
TomaszDwtf17:21
vanksiis there an usable app to browse windows shares in maemo 517:21
MohammadAG_R&D mode cause the sides of the keyboard to light on?17:22
MohammadAG_nvm N900: The keyboard backlight behind the left and right side of the keyboard flickers in response to system activity.17:22
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MohammadAG_that scared the hell out of me :/17:22
alteregoScreenshot tool not available for N900?17:23
Stskeepsctrl-shift-p17:23
MohammadAG_alterego, ctrl shift p17:23
MohammadAG_beat me to it17:23
alteregoThanks :)17:23
alteregoWhere does it save it? :)17:24
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MohammadAG_Stskeeps, I'm trying to boot mer on the N900, followed the instructions to install it and all, but there's one small problem17:24
MohammadAG_alterego, /home/user/MyDocs/.images/screenshots17:24
alteregoThanks MohammadAG_17:24
MohammadAG_or "Photos"17:24
Stskeepsmm?17:24
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MohammadAG_it says booting from mer (p1 ext3)17:24
MohammadAG_nothing else happens17:25
MohammadAG_p1=partition1?17:25
Stskeepsshow me item file17:25
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* MohammadAG_ thinks he didn't change it into partition 217:25
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MohammadAG_Stskeeps, nano isn't working for some reason17:28
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Stskeepsvi17:29
MohammadAG_:/17:29
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MohammadAG_Stskeeps, I changed the name instead of the ITEM_DEVICE :/17:30
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Stskeepsk17:30
MohammadAG_err17:30
MohammadAG_how do i edit in vim?17:31
MohammadAG_it only moves the pointer17:31
SpeedEvili to enter insert mode17:31
SpeedEvilesc to exit17:31
MohammadAG_and save is?17:31
w00t<esc>:w17:31
MohammadAG_CTRL S?17:31
alteregohttp://alterego.metapath.org/images/tablets/Screenshot-20100120-152341.png17:31
SpeedEvilescZZ17:32
SpeedEvilto save17:32
alterego:)17:32
w00tor that17:32
SpeedEvil is easy to hit with the keyb17:32
* w00t hearts vim17:32
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w00tMohammadAG_: it's all learning curve17:32
MohammadAG_true, but I find nano easier to use17:33
MohammadAG_and I haven't found much of a difference between both17:33
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w00tif you try it for a week and read over a few tutorials/cheat sheets, t starts to fit together17:33
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MohammadAG_well esc isn't doing anything17:33
w00tyes, it does17:33
w00tit takes you into what is called command mode17:33
w00tafter that, you have to use a command17:33
MohammadAG_esc is the on screen button right?17:33
TomaszDcan anyone take a look and tell me what's wrong with this http://paste-it.net/public/e3d5165/17:33
TomaszD duplicate value for user-defined field `Maemo-Display-Name'17:34
w00thold on and I'll have a try, I haven't actually used it on my n900 yet17:34
MohammadAG_using vi btw, not vim17:34
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w00tyes, esc is the onscreen key17:34
w00tnotice you can't type any more17:34
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MohammadAG_so it's saved now?17:35
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w00tno17:35
w00tpress esc17:35
w00tthen, ':w'17:35
w00twithout quotes17:35
w00tor ':wq' if you want to save and exit17:35
w00t(or ZZ if it works, but that's not how I do it)17:35
MohammadAG_assuming it worked17:35
MohammadAG_shut down17:35
MohammadAG_how long does it normally take to boot?17:36
MohammadAG_or does a bootscreen/boot log appear?17:36
MohammadAG_Stskeeps, looked on wiki.maemo.org17:38
MohammadAG_# create a missing directory17:38
MohammadAG_mkdir mnt/initfs17:38
MohammadAG_ this needed?17:38
pupniksame here.  I say us :wq foks round up the ZZ folks and move them to eastern europe17:39
w00tpupnik: ^517:39
SpeedEvilZZ is clearly better on the n900 keyb17:39
pupnikone keystroke less too17:39
w00tyour hereticism has been noted and will be dealt with at the nearest opportunity :P17:40
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pupnikwhat do you miss most in busybox vi?  for me it's cl for some reason17:40
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w00tdon't know, I've (thankfully) not experienced it a lot17:41
microlithproper indicators that you've changed mode17:41
pupnikoo there was a lightweight bsd vi around here17:41
microlithand arrow keys that work :>17:41
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w00tpupnik: nvi?17:41
w00ti'd rather poke my eyes out with a fork.17:41
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* w00t is forced to use that on occasion due to work and really, really wishes he didn't have to17:42
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pupnikgqview_2.0.1-1_armel.deb  hehe17:43
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jebbahmm, still reports of repo outages.17:47
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jebbapupnik: you build that? gqview rules :)17:47
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pupnikyeah ages ago.  i like it too.  it has practical keyboard shortcuts17:48
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jebbapupnik: in the repo though? i dont see it.17:49
alteregoYou know, the more I think about it, the more I think portrait mode is pointless except on contacts and dialler.17:50
MohammadAG_how do i check the partitions on the microSD from the N900 itself?17:50
alteregoMohammadAG_: df -h17:50
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MohammadAG_alterego, it doesn't show all partitions17:51
MohammadAG_just the mounted ones17:51
pupnikno jebba just my personal build17:51
jebbawhy not submit it?17:52
Stskeepssfdisk -l, MohammadAG_17:52
MohammadAG_"no initfs \o/" ???17:52
pupniktoo stupid to make proper deb source packages17:53
StskeepsMohammadAG_: rd mode17:53
MohammadAG_I'm in it17:53
pupniki was looking for my 'vi' build tho17:54
MohammadAG_thought the keyboard backlight got screwed17:54
jebbaheh.   pupnik in the dir where you made binary deb, just run:  dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -uc -us -sa               or similar17:54
Stskeepsunless you have very good reason, you shouldnt be in rd17:54
TomaszDStskeeps, anything odd here http://paste-it.net/public/e3d5165/ ?17:54
MohammadAG_Stskeeps, mer17:54
TomaszDalso, could you remind me of that link from yesterday about sprinting?17:54
alteregoHrm, is there a page with all the keyboard shortcuts for maemo, like ctrl+shift+p ?17:56
yuizyalterego: don't you use the device while you're walking or in a bus etc?17:56
yuizy(related to portrait mode)17:56
alteregoyuizy: sure, I also still have two hands when I'm walking and on the bus :P17:57
aepany idea which package dns_sd.h is in? i installed everything avahi related i could find17:57
* DocScrutinizer51 wonders if there's any comprehensive description of properties of RD, beyond 'you have root without installing rootsh'17:57
pupnikdoesn't work without hacking/breaking debian/*17:57
alteregoI prefer getting root by installing openssh17:58
yuizyfor me it's much easier to hold the device with one hand when walking, otherwise i have to look down17:58
pupnikother hand must hold pants up?17:58
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yuizyyeah17:58
TomaszDbuy a belt?17:59
yuizy:)17:59
tybolltother hand is busy w/ fap(n)?17:59
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pupnikobviously it is easier, walking with two hands held rigid is awkward17:59
yuizyyeah i fap while walking on the streets17:59
yuizyand in bus too17:59
alteregoSure, but how long are you going to actually be holding it?17:59
DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps: you got any idea about that 'secondary BL' and other fuzzy foo fund in flasher options17:59
yuizyalterego: for a long time if you're chatting actively with someone18:00
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pupnikjebba - maybe there's an older debian repo i should use for source packages, like from 2005?18:00
alteregoyuizy: then it's pretty dangerous moving around and chatting to someone like that :P18:01
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jebbapupnik: it's often easy to base a package on etch, but it's nice to have the latest version of a package too.18:01
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yuizynot if holding the device with only one hand18:01
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alteregojebba: it's less effort to packport ubuntu packages tbh18:01
pupnikjebba: do you have debhelper 7 in sdk?18:02
yuizyyou can keep it up and while chatting you can lok forward too18:02
alteregoyuizy: I don't see how that makes you any safer.18:02
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alteregoHrm, not convinced. I wouldn't be chatting (using the keyboard anyway) whilst moving much.18:02
yuizylooking forward?18:02
pupniki'd like to compile and submit something to extras - anything - that i don't have to hack18:02
alteregoI migsend a text, maybe an IM, but if I was in a serious conversation I wouldn't keep walking about.18:02
jebbapupnik: just change 7 to 5 in control and  echo 5 > debian/compat18:03
tybolltwalking is one thing18:03
pupnikand that won't break builder?18:03
tybolltas long as you don't text/chat while driving a motor vehicle18:03
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jebbapupnik: i haven't seen it break anything yet.18:04
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pupnikthanks jebba18:06
jebbanp18:07
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alteregoDo people find the double power tap easier than flicking the lock button?18:11
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mtnbkralterego: I do. Since it is almost where my thumb naturally fits, and can be done one-handed18:12
alteregoHrm, I find it easier because my index finger is usually there when I'm about to put it away.18:13
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alteregoIt seems like the lock switch is in a realy unusual place for me. It makes it pretty hard to use imo18:13
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mtnbkryep... I agree It's kind of an un-natural two-handed downward sliding motion.   But then again< i am still getting used to me "phone" being used in landscape more almost all the time because my "phone" is really an Internet Tablet.. :)18:14
mtnbkrs/more/most/18:15
infobotmtnbkr meant: yep... I agree It's kind of an un-natural two-handed downward sliding motion.   But then again< i am still getting used to me "phone" being used in landscape most almost all the time because my "phone" is really an Internet Tablet.. :)18:15
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alteregomtnbkr: yeah, is this your first tablet? It actually seems pretty natural to me but then this is my third18:15
alteregoTo me it's a computer, which has the ability to make mobile phone calls18:16
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alteregoHell, I even forget I'm texting and not IM'ing, good job I've got unlimited text messages ^.^18:16
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ShadowJKI use the lock switch all the time18:17
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ShadowJKmy finger seems18:17
mtnbkralterego: yeah, all my previous phone were phones with INternet tacked on - then my last phone was iPhone so I am still getting used to (and loving) the slide-out k/b on the N900 whereas I used to avoid landscape mode on iPhone 'cause the virtual k/b covered too much of the screen18:17
ShadowJKto be right there when i slip n900 into pocket18:18
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ShadowJKthe gereat thing is that there's more than one way to do things :)18:19
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mtnbkrShadowJK: agreed18:19
tybolltit's unix!18:19
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pupnikfor getting things done, n900 layout is superior to anything else i've seen18:28
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ShadowJKBrits must be overjoyed with the charger port placement18:29
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ShadowJKI noticed in car that since I am on the right, and the charger port is in the left, but the car's cigarette lighter socket is on the right....18:29
ShadowJKuh18:29
ShadowJKsince I am on the left, of course18:29
ShadowJKIt's like optimized for brits who drive on the right side18:29
ShadowJK... sitting in the right side, driving on left side of road18:29
mtnbkrShadowJK: usb/charger placement on N900 is one of my peeves... sticks out and UP if you are suing phone... kind of silly.18:30
mtnbkrusing18:30
pupnikpalm pre looks nice, but keyboard layout and screen viewing is cramped.  iphone hardly bears mentioning.  nor does windows mobile18:30
ShadowJKthe USB port is on the side on my E75 ;)18:30
hugokernelhello18:31
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RST38hShadowJK: Better yet: put N900 into your pocket headphones socket up18:33
RST38hShadowJK: Now quickly pull it out by the cord: how will the portrait mode look like?18:33
RST38h---> home18:33
ShadowJKWell I usually use hand to take out phone from pocket, and that makes portrait mode come right way up18:34
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ShadowJKThis was annoying with my older E75, where headphone port was on top, and when I had it in pocket with headphone port upwards, it was upside down when I took it out..18:34
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alteregoI wonder if I can use /etc/bluetooth/rfcomm.conf on the N900 to bind it to my Bluetooth RS232 converter18:40
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dotblankalterego: I really would like to find that out18:45
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dotblankwhat program would you use to read the rfcomm0 device18:46
dotblank?18:46
tghoi18:47
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tgis the microphone supposed to work with flash player in the browser?18:48
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alteregodotblank: probably just python, but I'd need pyserial. Actually, I'd use ruby18:49
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alteregoThe serial stuff is in the ruby dist which is in extras-testing18:49
dotblankah ok18:49
dotblankwould be very cool to get that working. Makes my job easier18:50
alteregodotblank: I was thinking of just using getty on a listening port so I could access the tablet's console via bluetooth18:50
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Arkenoilibqt4-webkit 51000 blocks omfg18:50
dotblankI would use it to program cisco devices18:50
alteregoHeh18:50
alteregoI plan on using it to control CCTV cameras :)18:50
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alteregoAnd debugging serial protocols.18:51
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mtnbkrhmmm what's the easiest way to get album art in maemo media player?18:55
anunakinFlandry: Hi man!18:55
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alteregodotblank: (stty <serial configuration>; echo "blah") < /dev/rfcomm0 > /dev/rfcomm018:56
alteregoThat'd work :)18:56
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DocScrutinizer51./me wonders if Nokia could have considered building a 'stylus-in-bay switch'. Would be handy for a small reminder app so you don't lose that friggin expensive plastic shit18:59
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alteregoDocScrutinizer51: with an RFID tag and reader built in so you know it's yours and it's still close? ;)19:00
DocScrutinizer51lol19:00
zaheermand with an extra 10 quid to pay19:00
DocScrutinizer51actually a switch or reflex IR fotodetector like for cam lid slider is more like 10ct19:01
cehtehDocScrutinizer-8: i once had this idea to add such a switch to my newton, but never did that19:01
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DocScrutinizer51for Nokia it's 20ct now, as the'll have to pay 10ct royalty to me per device ;-P19:02
cehtehlol19:04
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cehtehi sue you for prior art .. i had this idea in 1995 with my newton19:04
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DocScrutinizer51prove it :-P19:05
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DocScrutinizer51irc logs are on my side :)19:05
cehtehtoo bad i didnt implement it19:05
DocScrutinizer51too bad Nokia didn't implement it19:06
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xorAxAxcehteh: dwimd could handle the switch polling :)19:08
xorAxAxif moving and not styles: force(alarm, on) :)19:08
xorAxAxs/les/lus/19:08
infobotxorAxAx meant: if moving and not stylus: force(alarm, on) :)19:08
cehteha magnet on the stylus which holds it in bay, turns a switch and might even be used to use the stylus to pick up skrews would be nice19:08
xorAxAxmoving plugin for dwimd is finished19:09
cehtehnice19:09
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cehtehdo you interpolate like i suggested?19:10
xorAxAxi am using a maximum likehood estimation19:10
DocScrutinizer51cehteh: ok. now you earned your share. 5ct me, 5ct you :-D19:10
xorAxAxno, what did you suggest?19:10
cehtehold=(old+new)/2   on each iteration19:10
xorAxAxDocScrutinizer51: will you be using dwimd as well, the environment sensing gestalt optimizer for the n900 ?19:10
DocScrutinizer51never heard of it19:10
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xorAxAxno, i am calculating the maximum likely hood variance19:11
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xorAxAxon 8 samples19:11
cehtehmhm19:11
alteregoAnyhow, time to go to the pub.19:11
xorAxAxDocScrutinizer51: its brand new19:11
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xorAxAxDocScrutinizer51: currently in the works19:11
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DocScrutinizer51sounds interesting19:11
cehteh8 samples in a row or rolling buffer every 30 sec (or whatever the possing interwal is?)19:11
xorAxAx# planned inputs:19:12
xorAxAx# gps, time, weekday, load, location, orientation19:12
xorAxAx# charging, playing, display, locked19:12
xorAxAx# planned outputs:19:12
xorAxAx# availability, profile, cellular, secure, lock, wifi19:12
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xorAxAxDocScrutinizer51: and then you write a tiny python program that connects these inputs to the outputs19:12
cehtehi think you can just one sample each time you wake up19:12
cehtehinterpolate that with the last one .. store the values .. and see if we shaken19:12
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DocScrutinizer51planned inputs += noise level.  planned outputs += execute arbitrary cmd19:13
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cehtehif cpu wont be so expensive it would be nice to have a ongoing accelerometer sampling and do a fft over that19:13
cehtehthen you can actually do pattern matching and find out what kind of movement happens19:13
DocScrutinizer51planned inputs += ringing19:13
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cehteh(or tag the road surface while doing osm mapping automatically :P)19:14
cehtehrinnging is to transient19:14
cehtehwe only poll infrequently19:14
cehtehwell maybe adding events .. so rinning could be implemented19:14
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DocScrutinizer51don't poll! catch dbus signals19:15
cehtehnotification pending could be a input19:15
cehtehwell some things have to be polled19:15
DocScrutinizer51yep19:15
DocScrutinizer51others not19:15
cehtehi am all after events .. but many things cant be19:15
DocScrutinizer51sounds good19:15
cehtehif we have events we can do the polling in one rush when its close to its deadline19:15
DocScrutinizer51but I have to run now19:15
DocScrutinizer51bbl19:16
cehtehwould be nice if the accelerormeter could send interrupts on attitude changes19:16
DocScrutinizer51cehteh: they can19:16
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DocScrutinizer51err it can19:17
DocScrutinizer51(this not FR. only one gmeter ;)19:17
cehtehmhm19:17
cehtehis this programmable or can one set up watches for that?19:17
DocScrutinizer51the chip is programmable19:18
DocScrutinizer51no idea what maemo made of it19:18
cehtehyes but that likely interferes with the os .. you need some service to do that in a controlled way19:18
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cehtehi know that it has tap-recognition19:18
MohammadAG_how do I uninstall bootmenu?19:19
cehtehand most accelerometers can generate interrupts on on freefall or such19:19
Gadgetoid_iMacFor those of you with more devices than fingers, Proporta have started selling Wildcharge(r) http://www.gadgetoid.com/2010/01/20/wild-charger-wireless-charging-pad-review/19:19
cehtehbut i dont know if attitude changes can generate interrupts and how this can be programmed19:19
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cehtehwould meed maemo support anyways19:20
Gadgetoid_iMacAlthough I tend to use Powermat more, because it looks prettier19:20
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xorAxAxre free fall, i wonder whether somebody has broken his device while playing n900fly already19:22
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cehtehdidnt used my shell :)19:23
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AndrewfBlackanyone take a look at this and give any help you have.  http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=484637#post48463719:23
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zaheermTomaszD, ping19:35
xorAxAxhow do you do dbus debugging?19:35
xorAxAxi am currently setting up gabriel to use d-feet locally19:35
xorAxAxbecause X forwarding doesnt work for me19:35
saltsa_how to change calc fw in ati85, it's now ti-it19:37
saltsa_ti-8519:38
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tybolltsaltsa_: corerct me if I'm wrong but I think the firmware used is compile time19:42
tybolltsaltsa_: so you'll have to recompile the entire pkg19:42
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lbtso I got the OTA ssu available the other day and just tried to install it...19:57
lbtnot enough space - shocker19:58
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lbtso I apt-get remove the qt4 libs and it insists on installing some of the upgrades19:58
lbtOK, fine19:58
lbtso now it still won't install and : Need to get 64.9MB of archives.19:59
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lbtis it even possible to get 65Mb free on / ?19:59
matthew-on rootfs u mean ?19:59
lbtyes19:59
SpeedEvilare you installing using HAM?20:00
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lbtno longer available in HAM20:00
SpeedEvilwell - with HAM - it worked with only 40M20:00
SpeedEvilthough that doesn't actually help you a whole lot20:00
lbtwhen I tried HAM it mentioned >60Mb20:00
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SpeedEvilWell - 44M IIRC20:01
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SpeedEvilcertainly well less than 6020:01
lbtwhat's the maemo5 package called?20:01
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MohammadAGhaving a problem atm20:05
DocScrutinizer51lbt: Pr1.1 update HAM stated some 80MB of space needed. Worked fine with 45M free though20:05
MohammadAGhow do i flash initfs only20:05
lbtDocScrutinizer51: any recollection of the packagename to use apt-get ?20:05
DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: --initfs-only or similar20:06
MohammadAGit's not in -h20:06
DocScrutinizer51apt-get won't work I've been told20:06
lbtI don't think an "apt-get upgrade" is right20:06
lbthmm20:06
lbtgreat20:06
MohammadAGoh found it20:07
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MohammadAGapt-get dist-upgrade?20:07
DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: in the flasher.tgz there's been a quite comprehensive readme20:07
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DocScrutinizer51or manpage20:08
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, any idea where the bootloader is?20:10
MohammadAGnolo/kernel/initfs/rootfs/cmt20:10
DocScrutinizer51err where where?20:10
DocScrutinizer51nolo is the bl20:10
lbtso About product shows 1.2009.44-1  and HAM offers no upgrade20:12
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chem|stcan someone tell why no f*** company is delivering outside UK?20:12
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DocScrutinizer51~help-update20:12
infobotmethinks help-update is http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting20:12
lbtDocScrutinizer51: ta20:13
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chem|st"Mainland and islands without TAX free islands"20:13
chem|stwell ire... but thats it20:13
MohammadAGbrb20:13
AndrewfBlackAny Python or QT People want to take a look at this and point me in right direction?  http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=4156720:14
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ShadowJKlbt, apt-get uses more disk space than ham ;/20:14
destinalham doesn't take much disk space20:15
destinalit's hard to digitize ham, however, or other pork products20:16
bfreeas the new account finally synced across I've added my "right handed" brainstorm, thumbs up welcome ;-) https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=452620:16
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lbtShadowJK: *nod*20:17
lbtthe wiki page makes sense though20:17
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xorAxAxdoes anybody know how i can change the acctive connection with dbus?20:26
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xorAxAxcehteh: hehe, there is an dbus address com.nokia.profiled20:27
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cehtehxorAxAx: no i dont know, but i expected to scrap other apps which do such things ad-hoc like the celluar switcher and so on20:30
cehtehuse the source luke ... or RTFM .. whatever you favor20:30
xorAxAxindeed, i could monitor the bus while selecting another profile20:31
cehtehthats cheating :)20:31
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cehtehheh how about a generic daemon and forget all about this input and output stuff? .. monitor bus and have bayes filter and just a gui with a punish and a reward button? :=20:33
timelesshey20:33
timelessabout catorize20:33
timelessis "All" supposed to show *all* applications?20:33
* SpeedEvil wonders what else it would do.20:34
timelessnot show Browser for one ...20:34
cehtehdid you uninstalled it?20:34
timelessno20:34
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AndrewfBlackAny Python Programmers that want to make a few bucks helping me with my program, PM me20:37
Arkenoiwhat is catorize? something like mymenu?20:37
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bfreeI see now the link I gave above was useless but this "works":   http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/right_handed_popup_menus20:38
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timelessandrewfblack: is there some useful output i could provide for bug 8328?20:39
povbot`Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8328 all isn't showing All applications (especially the former main screen apps)20:39
xorAxAxcehteh: too much noise on the bus, i use the strings solution :)20:39
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AndrewfBlacktimeless, Thats Jaffa not me wrong Andrew :)20:41
zaheermX-Fade, did the ssh keys not get transferred from old garage to new one?20:41
X-Fadezaheerm: drop.maemo.org20:41
andre__timeless: I assume that killing one browser window in Fremantle by design kills all windows and that this is not changeable, right?20:41
X-Fadezaheerm: replace garage with drop in your dput config.20:42
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timelessandre__: i'm not sure actually20:42
zaheermX-Fade, thx, working :)20:42
timelessit depends on just how stupid both sides are20:42
timelessah20:42
timelessit's a lie20:42
timelessit isn' close active window20:42
timelessit's close active application20:43
timelesstry it with Conversations20:43
timelessif you want to file a bug, it's against hildon desktop or whatever for lying20:43
timelessbecause it clearly isn't doing what it claims to do in the string20:43
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* fcrozat guess andre__ is trying my bug report from this morning :)20:43
timelesssomeone claimed it was polite, but i guess that means it just says "dear app, please die now, or i kill you, unless you do something clever,"20:43
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fcrozatq/trying/triaging/20:44
timelessfcrozat: in the future, please test against a logical comparitive app20:44
andre__fcrozat, oh yeah :-D20:44
timelessthankfully there typically is one20:44
timelessin this case, conversations20:44
timelessalthough, perhaps that's a bad sample20:44
* timeless wonders if there are any others20:44
fcrozattimeless: well, I didn't fill it against the browser ;)20:44
Arkenoianyone here using bt headset with volume buttons - do they work? if no, is there a bug at bmo for it?20:44
timelessoh, godo :)20:44
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timelessarkenoi: my bt headset is w/ the bt guys20:45
timelessfrom memory, headset volume buttons affect internal applification20:45
timelessnot system20:45
fcrozatcorrect20:45
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fcrozat(I wish play / pause / next / previous were working on my BT headset :(20:45
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timelessandre: sorry, no clue20:46
andre__anybody knows some kind of a "Backlight Brightness" app / widget in Extras?20:46
andre__timeless, np20:46
timelessroughly speaking,t he platform doesn't really support multi windowed applications20:46
timelessand it certainly doesn't encourage them20:46
timelesswhich is kinda ironic20:46
zaheermX-Fade, is there a lag between uploading to drop and package appearing in the build queue?20:47
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xorAxAxare there python bindings for libconic?20:47
zaheermpython-conic20:47
andre__fcrozat, it's "End current task" and I'd consider the complete browser a task. What's the french translation saying?20:48
xorAxAxzaheerm: thanks20:48
Arkenoitimeless: i ajusted volume on my e90 and system was always in sync with headset buttons20:48
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Arkenoitried two different headsets20:48
Arkenoihs-12w and bh90220:49
fcrozatandre__: "Arrêter la tâche en cours"20:49
ShadowJKtimeless, it's feature complete with windows, it asks if you want to whack firefox too when it hangs, and then it whacks all of them :-D20:49
andre__Arkenoi, there are a few bluetooth bugs at b.m.o, yeah20:49
timelessshadowjk: firefox doesn't use windows20:49
timelessit uses tabs20:49
andre__hmm, tâche... a wonderful vague term :)20:49
timelesswhich works around this confusion20:49
fcrozatandre__: I was looking for an easy way to close fullscreen window window too much interaction20:49
fcrozat(specially in portrait mode)20:49
timelessandre: i presume that means 'task'20:49
ShadowJKtimeless, tabs and windows :-)20:50
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andre__yeah20:50
timelessi'm going to change my translation20:50
ShadowJKor are multiple windows removed now in recent versions?20:50
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timelessi was told20:50
timelessshadowjk: Firefox for mobile = Fennec20:50
timelessit doesn't use windows, just tabs20:50
ShadowJKright20:50
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timelessi was told... that it would send a message to close the current window20:51
timelessi think the person who told me this was either misinformed or lying20:51
ShadowJKOh you are talking about the power button menu thing, not the one that appears whenever apps hang20:51
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timelessyes20:51
X-FadeDoes anybody know berjan or is he here?20:51
timelessalthough i suppose it's possible the person talking to me was similarly confused20:51
timelessalthough i sure hope not20:52
timelessi try to be very explicit when dealing with people20:52
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DocScrutinizer2timeless: looking for a true multiwindow app? xchat (there open preferences). I'd say this is an app with 2 windows21:05
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ShadowJKyou can also detach tabs through some a magic incantation of keyboard shortcuts21:07
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ShadowJKI do it accidentally all the time :/21:08
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RST38hAhhahahahaha: http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/15/electrosensitives-to.html21:10
ShadowJKlol21:10
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RST38hChronic lack of proper medication.21:11
timelessdocscrutinizer2: try using the power key's close active window menu item on the xchat preferences window21:11
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DocScrutinizer51timeless: did that21:11
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timelesswhat happened?21:12
xorAxAxjebba: can you compile your modules for the current kernel?21:12
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DocScrutinizer51here it's 'aktuelle Aufgabe beenden' so 'task' not window. And task is the whole process21:13
DocScrutinizer51i.e. killed xchat21:13
alteregothere's no alt :(21:13
timeless'task' is very ambiguous in English21:13
alteregoi can't change tabs in irssi21:13
timelessit can mean anything21:13
timelessand thus shouldn't really be used21:14
ShadowJKalterego, esc 121:14
ShadowJKesc 221:14
ShadowJKetc21:14
ShadowJKesc is on the status line thing in xterm21:14
DocScrutinizer51timeless: 'Aufgabe' in German is even rather nonsense21:14
timelessi can't say i'm surprised21:14
timelessGiGo21:14
alteregochrist, that's a finger twister O_O21:15
yuizyyou don't need to press them simultaneously21:15
* DocScrutinizer51 would be happy to find a device to help him finish current 'Aufgaben' ;-P21:15
yuizyfirst esc, then number21:15
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alteregooh, bad visual feedback :P21:16
ShadowJKesc atleast used to stay highlighted21:16
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blackxoredhello guys maemo on e65 impossible right?21:17
alteregothat's weird. I've lost the pointer icon that switches scrollVselect21:17
RST38hright21:17
zaheermblackxored, is the e65 a touchscreen?21:18
alteregoIs that because of the screen session?21:18
alteregoheh21:18
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blackxoredzaheerm, no, AFAIK :P21:18
alteregomaemo is a touch os21:18
zaheermblackxored, means even if you did get it ported, most of the UI you wouldn't be able to use21:18
ShadowJKblackxored, yes there's no info available on how to boot other operating systems on the S60 phones, and Maemo requires touchscreen anyway :)21:18
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redeven if you got it to work, you would lack touch screen operationality and it would be slow as hell21:19
X-Fadezaheerm: We run 1.0 sdk.21:19
alteregoAlso, I told you all this last night21:19
jebbaxorAxAx: i haven't bothered with the pr1.1 kernel yet due to changes in the flasher. Hopefully starting in a couple days i'll dive into all that again.21:19
matthew-hey21:19
blackxoredok now let me ask you something i want to run some linux apps there, that's all I want, there's an easy way?21:19
matthew-After apt-get upgrade21:19
matthew-apt-get update21:19
xorAxAxjebba: cool21:19
matthew-i lost like 30 mb on rootfs21:19
zaheermX-Fade, explains the problems i'm having :)21:20
timeless_mbpShadowJK: so, maemo4 and older almost worked on touchscreenless systems21:20
matthew-can i delete cache ?21:20
matthew-the apt cache i mean ?21:20
alteregoblackxored: no easy way if you're not a programmer21:20
X-Fadezaheerm: Yeah, the backwards incompatibility thing blocked upgrade.21:20
kuriirihmm21:20
blackxoredalterego, and if I am ??? ;)21:20
kuriirianyone using butterfly?21:20
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zaheermX-Fade, yah understood, i just made the package dep on earlier versions now, fingers crossed21:20
redthen you wouldn't probably be asking here :)21:20
ShadowJKtimeless, maemo4? really? I can bring up the app menu somehow? :)21:21
alteregoblackxored: but youzmreobviously not21:21
zaheermkuriiri, i use the pecan msn plugin21:21
timeless_mbpShadowJK: if you have an app or two already running21:21
blackxoredalterego, why are you assuming that? Yes I am21:21
timeless_mbpyou can use the hardware home key to do some work to get to the app launcher21:21
timeless_mbpthe trick was to get the first app or two up21:21
kuriirimine stopped working today21:21
blackxoredalterego, ruby/python and java/c# currently, although I've stepped through a lot of languages21:21
timeless_mbpwhich iirc one could try to do by using the hardware menu key to get to help or something21:21
blackxoredI'm also debian and ubuntu developer21:21
ShadowJKI can only get to desktop or to open-app switcher with it21:22
kuriiributterfly i mean, network error21:22
timeless_mbpShadowJK: press the left arrow once21:22
timeless_mbpthen press up21:22
timeless_mbpyou press up a couple of times and land at the tap for a parent21:22
blackxoredalterego, so, what can I do???21:22
timeless_mbpthen press right21:22
timeless_mbpthat walks you into a menu21:22
timeless_mbpto fire something, use the center of the dpad21:22
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ShadowJKMaybe one could use a bluetooth mouse21:23
blackxoredso guys, how can i get linux on my phone????21:23
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zaheermblackxored, buy an n90021:23
woglindejo21:23
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blackxoredzaheerm, I'm in cuba, I wish I could, they're priced like houses in here, *if* you can find one21:24
woglindeblackxored oh cool21:24
zaheermblackxored, smuggle it in from florida ;)21:24
woglindeeven inet isnt cheap in cuba I read somewhere21:25
blackxoredwoglinde, I don't think I've realized what's cool21:25
StskeepsDocScrutinizer51: there's NOLO and then 2nd (x-loader) i think21:25
blackxoredoh guys don't do it again, we cubans chat21:25
blackxoredalso I said I'm a Debian and Ubuntu developer21:25
blackxoredbut that doesn't mean I'm excort of limitations :P21:25
woglindefrom cuba?21:25
woglindecool21:25
blackxoredyes cuba21:26
blackxoredwhois me21:26
woglindedebconf in cuba21:26
blackxoredok, back to focus21:26
blackxoredyeah right21:26
woglindeokay21:26
blackxoredI wish21:26
blackxoredhow can either a) get linux on my e65 b) get another phone21:26
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woglindee65b forget it21:26
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woglindeonly symbian21:27
blackxoredwoglinde, so that let's me with b21:27
blackxoredsadly :'(21:27
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woglinden900 its only linux-phone device so far from nokia21:27
woglindemaybe other nxx will follow21:27
DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps: yep. any more detailled info about all that?21:27
woglindebut thats rumor21:27
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blackxoredok21:28
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blackxoredso let's assume I just want a n90021:28
blackxoredhow in the earth I'm gonna get that21:28
X-Fadezaheerm: Worked a lot better ;)21:29
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woglindeblackxored smuggle21:29
zaheermX-Fade, yep thx for the tip21:29
borenblackxored: order one from eurpoe?21:29
ShadowJKhow do you get E65 in  Cuba anyway :-)21:29
woglindehi x-fade21:29
zaheermblackxored, become friends with raul castro and ask him not to block import :)21:29
X-Fadezaheerm: 61 second build for 2 archs, not bad.21:29
woglindeShadowJK eh right good point21:29
blackxoredguys don't maket his political21:29
zaheermX-Fade, yah it is compiling like 2 files i think21:29
blackxoreds/maket/make this21:29
woglindex-fade autobuilders now at pr 1.0 again?21:29
borenor canada...21:29
X-Fadewoglinde: yes.21:30
blackxoredboren, I can't do that21:30
woglindex-fade okay thanks21:30
blackxoredwoglinde, probably21:30
woglindeblackxored have you cdma or gsm in cuba?21:30
blackxoredwoglinde, we got *only* gsm21:30
woglindeorder from europe21:30
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blackxoredwoglinde, and it will get here?? umm I'm reluctant  to believe that21:31
DocScrutinizer51woglinde: US N900 is gsm too21:31
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer-8, but US companies aren't allowed to trade with Cuba21:32
blackxoredDocScrutinizer-8, I think he was talking with regulations in mind :P21:32
woglindeblackxored sorry dont know21:32
X-FadeThere is only one N900 and that is a GSM one.21:32
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DocScrutinizer51yep, but smuggling a lot easier ;)21:32
ShadowJKtheoretically european companies are allowed, but the US kinda ignores that and makes life for them difficult anyway21:32
X-FadeSo order from anywhere, just watch out for keyboard layouts ;)21:32
woglindex-fade I already know21:32
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blackxoredX-Fade, england will work for me then???21:33
woglindeyou could order from russia maybee21:33
ShadowJKAnd then I don't know about the Cuban side of things, whether there are restrictions on that end..21:33
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blackxoredwhat's it's exact price???21:33
woglindearound 500 euros now21:33
woglindewithout shipping21:33
blackxoredand with shipping21:33
blackxored????21:33
woglindelol21:33
DocScrutinizer51with VAT!21:33
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woglindeneither shiped something to cuba21:33
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xorAxAxso you want to make the customs officer happy and make a large gift for him? :)21:34
blackxoredguys I'll have to make some money :P21:34
guido_gobviously21:34
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woglindexorAxAx hm I dont know what the customs in cuba does or is21:34
blackxoredok I won't spam but developing, pentest, linux administration, whatever you hear about that throw him to me :P21:34
blackxoredis a pain anyways21:35
blackxoredI think the best way is to someone bring it21:35
woglindehm21:35
DocScrutinizer51yup21:35
woglindeand the custom?21:35
woglindeif it catches me with the device21:35
woglindeI maybee get jailed21:35
DocScrutinizer51forget custom for cellfones on your pocket21:35
blackxoredno there are no restrictions on mobile imports, or computer-related devices21:35
blackxoredthey've relaxed that21:36
blackxoredfor our sake21:36
woglindeoh21:36
woglindecool21:36
blackxoredand you're talking about a phone dude, not about a mac :P21:36
DocScrutinizer51bbl21:36
woglindehe its as cool as a mac21:36
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woglindeyou can connect it to beamers21:36
blackxoredwoglinde, yes but the mac is bigger :P, don't loose my point21:37
woglindeand it has fm-transmitter21:37
woglindeis fm-transmitter allowed in cuba?21:37
guido_gnope, more cool then a mac! ]:->21:37
blackxoredguido_g, +121:37
blackxoredwoglinde, radio???21:37
guido_gyes21:37
blackxoredemisor???21:37
woglindejupp21:37
guido_gyour keyboard is broken21:37
woglindeyou cann connect it to your car-radio21:38
blackxoredI'll have to ask into that, can't tell for sure21:38
* simula is itching for madde qt-creator integration21:38
woglindeor the car-radio to its freqeunz21:38
woglindesimula madde?21:38
simulahttps://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE21:38
woglindeargs21:38
woglindesorry21:38
woglindeI overread madde21:38
woglindein your line21:39
woglindeI know what madde is21:39
simulais mad cross-compiling only, or will it also support debugging on a phone connected to your dev workstation?21:39
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borensimula: cross compilers normally support gdb21:40
simulaboren, i'm wondering if an n900 plugged into my linux box will trigger a break-point on my linux box while it's running :)21:41
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borensimula: ever used gdb-remote?21:42
simulanope, cool :)21:42
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keesjis it something like gdbserver?21:43
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woglindejo wazd21:44
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blackxoredwoglinde, yes it's allowed21:46
wazdreheya all21:46
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blackxoredthe radio stuff21:46
wazdwoglinde: hi21:46
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ivan4thsimula: last time I needed to debug something on n900 I used insight there (built on scratchbox from cvs sources) via X11 forwarding21:49
* AndrewfBlack is looking for help with a Python/Qt Application to access t.m.o21:49
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woglindeivan4th I coppied debug stuff from sdk and gdb package from harald21:50
matthew-Is there ANYONE helping here:?21:51
matthew-a) it would be nice to know how to remove the redalert theme21:51
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cehtehivan4th: C/C++?21:52
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cehtehi recently ported my debugging library to maemo, but its not much tested and not packaged21:52
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woglindecehteh which debug library?21:53
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BadRobotHello21:54
cehtehhttp://lumiera.org/nobug_manual.html21:54
BadRobotHow r our maemo community going?21:54
* konttori is looking at the callui buttons in the theme template and shakes his head in disbelief of what some designers have done21:54
* konttori just cannot believe it no matter how many times he has seen it21:55
w00tkonttori: people are idiots, it's official!21:55
w00t:P21:55
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konttoriso true21:55
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BadRobotAny good themes for maemo 5 which doesn't mess up my phone?21:55
matthew-or how to manage themes ?21:56
matthew-is there any directory i can delete them from ???21:56
Stskeepskonttori: any particular feature? (just pondering what's wrong)21:56
BadRobotThose which comes with the phones is ugly as hell21:56
timeless_mbpkonttori: oh21:57
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timeless_mbpdid i complain that hildon-desktop doesn't support wrapping app names?21:57
konttoriBadRobot: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/7258/nuvofre_1.05_all.deb21:57
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: doesn't it just cut them off?21:57
timeless_mbpStskeeps: which sucks21:57
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: "Install Bootman", yes21:58
Stskeeps:P21:58
BadRobotHow do i install , deb files in this device?21:58
Stskeepser, Bootmen21:58
timeless_mbp???21:58
AndrewfBlackBadRobot, Look for maemo.org theme in extras-testing21:58
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: Install bootmenu gets cut into Install bootmen21:58
konttoriStskeeps: well, they have different button graphics than any other button, for no reason. That would be understandable. What is not that they have 10 different buttons, which only have different width in them.21:58
konttoriwell, 2 of those are red as well.21:58
timeless_mbpheh21:59
konttoriin total, they have 22 pixmaps for different buttons that all look alike21:59
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timeless_mbpcomplaining about how to make your theme work in various places?21:59
konttori(and 2 are red)21:59
* AndrewfBlack wonders if konttori is talking about him?21:59
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timeless_mbpAndrewfBlack: the phone icon21:59
timeless_mbpwhich has 22 aspect ratios21:59
timeless_mbpfor one object21:59
konttorino, I'm talking about the theme template graphics21:59
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timeless_mbpwhich makes themere's life hell22:00
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konttoriyeah, well, only 9 aspect ratios, some of those 22 pixmaps are pressed variant of the 9.22:00
slonopotamuserr...22:01
BadRobotHi i am back. So how I install a .deb file on my n900 ?22:01
slonopotamusfremantle terminal can only open 4 windows????22:01
Stskeepsslonopotamus: low amount of ptys22:02
Stskeepsto save memory22:02
slonopotamus...22:02
konttoriBadRobot: open xterm22:02
slonopotamuscraaap!22:02
konttoritype: sudo gainroot22:02
konttoridpkg -i <filename>22:02
Stskeepsslonopotamus: same issue on gentoo, kernel issue22:02
BadRobotWhat is the password?22:02
konttoriBadRobot: if you don't have root access, install first rootsh22:02
slonopotamusStskeeps, i hate when software tries to be smarter than me.22:02
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konttori(using application manager)22:02
slonopotamusStskeeps, any sysctl to increase it? :)22:03
* RST38h fixed goddamn genesis emulator22:03
Stskeepsslonopotamus: not sure22:03
RST38hEXT.W broken22:03
AndrewfBlackkonttori how come you never put your themes in extras?22:03
* Stskeeps checks22:03
BadRobotOk i will try, kiitos22:03
dotblankThere is a genesis emulator?22:03
matthew-so awesome that no one gives a fuck here.22:03
konttoriAndrewfBlack: I am saving for the time I can make the src with one button22:04
Stskeepsslonopotamus: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-increase-pty-session.html22:04
konttorinow I would need to type one line in xterm22:04
Stskeepsmatthew-: themes are packages like any other22:04
Stskeepsmatthew-: you remove them in application manager22:04
AndrewfBlackkonttori ok22:04
matthew-Stskeeps: they are not there22:04
matthew-that's why im asking about it22:04
Stskeepsmatthew-: the default ones may not be22:04
Stskeepswell22:04
Stskeepsor at least removable22:05
matthew-it's one i installed from maemo.org22:05
Stskeepshmm22:05
* AndrewfBlack has been begging people on install themes from deb or over ftp to device22:05
Stskeepsmatthew-: which theme?22:05
AndrewfBlackmatthew-, was it in deb or did you have to move files over ftp?22:05
matthew-Stskeeps: Red Alert22:05
matthew-AndrewfBlack: deb22:05
Stskeepsmatthew-: looking..22:06
slonopotamusStskeeps, yay! it works :)22:06
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matthew-Stskeeps: appreciated.22:06
Stskeepsmatthew-: and it doesn't show in Uninstall?22:06
matthew-nope22:06
Stskeepsmatthew-: for what it is worth, that theme does -not- come from maemo.org extras22:06
Stskeeps:P22:06
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matthew-Stskeeps: I know.22:07
matthew-also, i've got icon called 'close debian' in my desktop -> More22:07
matthew-and i dont have an idea what that is22:07
Stskeepsthat's from easy debian22:07
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matthew-now to purge it?22:08
matthew-i deleted easy debian ;d22:08
Stskeepsmatthew-: the way you remove it is sudo gainroot, sudo dpkg --purge redalert22:08
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Stskeepserr22:08
Stskeepssudo gainroot, dpkg --purge redalert22:08
matthew-BUT!22:08
matthew-dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove redalert which isn't installed.22:08
matthew-Stskeeps: I do use google _a lot_ before I start asking here :)22:08
Stskeepsmatthew-: i hope so :P22:09
Stskeepsmatthew-: ls -l /usr/share/themes and pastebin.com22:09
Stskeeps+it22:09
matthew-yeah ive got drwxrwxrwx   15 user     root         2344 Jan 11 01:45 redalert22:09
matthew-there ;-)22:09
matthew-http://pastebin.com/m6346dec622:10
Stskeepsmatthew-: seems like prerm failed22:10
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Stskeepsah, it only rm -r's22:10
Stskeepsmatthew-: what happens if you rm -r /usr/share/themes/redalert ?22:10
AndrewfBlackStskeeps, I think problem is guy who made that theme is just modifiying other themes and know tell what package name is22:11
StskeepsAndrewfBlack: nah, this seems like a old theme maker bug22:11
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Stskeepsmatthew-: does it error or something?22:13
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BadRobotI am trying to intall this theme. But it says file not found22:15
Stskeepsmatthew-: (please help me debug the issue)22:15
matthew-wait a sec22:16
BadRobotI have saved it to downloads in the main phone memory. How could someone help?22:16
matthew-Stskeeps: ok, rm -rf fixed it22:17
BadRobot... Sorry i meam could someone help?22:17
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BadRobot...Mean22:17
Stskeepsmatthew-: .. wasn't what i asked you22:17
Stskeepsmatthew-: what happens if you 'just' rm -r it :)22:17
AndrewfBlackBadRobot, you need to go to what ever directory you save it in is it in MyDocs?22:17
matthew-oh, i didnt.22:18
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matthew-i always force it :)22:18
Stskeepsmatthew-: try rm -r /usr/share/icons/redalert22:18
AndrewfBlackBadRobot, if so cd /home/user/MyDocs then your other command22:18
matthew-rm: cannot remove '/usr/share/icons/redalert': No such file or directory22:18
matthew-:>22:18
Stskeepseh :P22:18
matthew-Stskeeps: Sowwie :)22:18
matthew-BUT, what are the Emacs, Raleigh, alpha themes?22:19
BadRobotI have saved it to N900/downloads22:19
matthew-they're not in my Theme manager22:19
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matthew-BadRobot: then cd /home/user/MyDocs/.downlaods/22:19
Stskeepsmatthew-: meh, okay22:19
BadRobotThx22:19
matthew-Stskeeps: What are the other themes?22:19
Stskeepskonttori: if theme maker doesnt rm -rf in prerm in the debian packages it might be a good reason to22:20
Stskeepsmatthew-: alpha is one of the default themes22:20
StskeepsRaleigh and Emacs.. gtk crap22:20
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konttoriStskeeps: what should it rm?22:20
Stskeepskonttori: currently it rm -r /usr/share/themes/themename, but it seems like not being enough22:20
matthew-isn't /usr/share on rootfs?22:20
Stskeepsit should be rm -rf22:20
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Stskeepskonttori: matthew experienced a theme that didn't disappear when removed22:21
konttoriStskeeps: enough for what?22:21
Stskeepskonttori: for removing the theme contents that postinst puts there22:21
matthew-Stskeeps: isn't /usr/share on rootfs?22:21
konttoriStskeeps: really? why didn't it remove?22:21
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konttoribecause it would have needed the -rf?22:21
Stskeepskonttori: not sure, but it seems it didn't for matthew22:21
konttoriok, adding the -f there22:22
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Stskeepsmatthew-: yes, and some things are OK having on rootfs22:22
Stskeepsthere's a heuristic so22:22
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matthew-:-)22:22
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Stskeepsmatthew-: it makes sense if you read postinst.22:22
konttoridamn,  themes are not working on pr1.2 correctly on the new virtual keyboard, as it has changed pixmap names for the buttons. I hate that we have million different buttons.22:22
matthew-Stskeeps: yeah, i understand22:23
RST38hkonttori <-- teasing22:23
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matthew-Stskeeps: and i understand having it there makes sense, but i would get rid of the things that are useless, and that would make sense too, right?22:23
matthew-http://pastebin.com/m2f86169222:23
matthew-have a look22:23
matthew-emacs and Raleigh can be deleted, should I leave the rest?22:24
Stskeepsmatthew-: maybe GTK will break if they are removed.22:24
Stskeepstheyre tiny.22:24
Stskeepslike, what, 40 kb total22:24
matthew-mhm22:24
konttoriprerm+="rm -rf /usr/share/themes/"+themeFolder+"\n";22:25
konttoriprerm+="rm -rf /usr/share/icons/"+themeFolder+"\n";22:25
matthew-true22:25
Stskeepskonttori: thanks22:25
konttoriStskeeps: looks about right, no?22:25
Stskeepsright22:25
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matthew-and any idea on how to get rid of the Exit debian thing?22:25
konttorinext release will have that.22:25
Stskeepsmatthew-: /usr/share/applications/ somewhere22:25
Stskeepsmatthew-: and report it as a bug22:26
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matthew-also, http://pastebin.com/m8e6065b22:26
matthew-Stskeeps: yeah i am22:26
matthew-also, Nokia-N900-42-11:/usr/share/applications# find / -name debian22:27
matthew-/etc/dpkg/origins/debian22:27
matthew-so how should i know what's the name of it ?22:27
matthew-:)22:27
matthew-Stskeeps: removing easy-chroot make the Exit Debian dissapear22:29
matthew-damn, weird.22:29
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SpeedEvilRST38h: Is it possible to make - if you have change-page-tap activated - it not activate on a stroke that activates the 'leave fullscreen' button?22:32
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SpeedEvilRST38h: fbreader22:32
matthew-oh oh , and anotther thing!22:33
matthew-well, 2 things :)22:33
prontonow that we have a working TV remote app, we need one that just will cycle though lots of tv turn off codes :D22:33
matthew-but let me go to google first with them22:33
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BadRobotdkpg not found22:39
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matthew-:o22:39
matthew-ok fixed it.22:40
redhttp://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/01/11-year-old_writes_iphone_app_donates_proceeds_to_charity.php22:40
redlol :)22:40
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matthew-http://n900.2hands.co.uk/22:43
matthew-I found it, for people using MAC's22:43
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DocScrutinizer51I got no MAC yet. Always access my media via semi anonymous protocol ;-)22:46
matthew-:-)22:46
matthew-Mac's :)22:46
matthew-shish22:46
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matthew-where should I report an application bug? like the 3G/2G mode selector22:49
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matthew-i think then 3G is activated it also should enable 2G if 3G is not available22:49
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fralsdoesnt it have the dual mode matthew-?22:50
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fralsi recall a discussion about something similiar, and the point of the "3G" mode is to only use 3g, and if its not available nothing at all22:50
matthew-frals: Nope22:50
matthew-frals: its EITHER 3G or 2G22:51
matthew-no both22:51
matthew-and well, 3G doesnt support 3.5G either22:51
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xorAxAxmine has a dual mode22:53
xorAxAxthere seem to be at least 222:53
matthew-xorAxAx: you mean the application ?22:53
xorAxAx2 selectors22:53
matthew-xorAxAx: '3G/2G Mode Selector' application ?22:53
xorAxAxwell, its not an app but a status bar widget22:53
matthew-yes, the widget22:54
matthew-doesnt allow me to choose Dual Mode22:54
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RST38h"Quanta says it's building a "smartbook" device with a 3.5-inch touchscreen, with voice calling and web browsing the primary functionalities."23:00
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RST38hplace is getting crowded real fast23:00
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woglindejo rst23:03
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chem|stjebba: you are still missing non-free at your mirror23:15
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plastunhello!23:25
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plastunafter my app have been installed, app item will appears in Main menu with icon like app-manager and only after reboot icon shows normal. What the matter?23:26
VDVsxplastun, N900 ?23:27
plastun81023:27
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VDVsxyou need to update the icon cache23:27
wazdplastun: forget bout n810 :D23:27
plastunhow to do this?23:28
VDVsx1 sec23:28
wazdplastun: you have n900 anyway :P23:28
ifreqanyone know howto clear default media player cache for good? ive got 3 albums which keep coming back on filelist even they are removed everytime by hand (and the files do not exists)23:28
plastunwazd, I can't :)23:28
threshi have the similar stuff on n90023:28
jebbachem|st: i'm not missing them. I deliberately don't have them there.23:28
plastunwazd, but there are still many people with n810, what about them& say 'bye-bye'?23:28
wazdplastun: yep, screw these loosers :D23:29
plastun^)23:29
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threshwazd: don't you have one? :)23:29
wazdthresh: I have n800 :P23:29
VDVsxplastun, wiki search is falling on me again, I'll pastebin a script for you23:29
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plastunVDVsx, ok23:29
ifreqcan anyone answer to my question regarding media player cache?23:30
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Proteousifreq: not sure23:31
VDVsxplastun, you don't need all of these, but is fancier, line 13 onwards takes care of the menu-location: http://pastebin.com/m5e7c7d8123:31
VDVsxreplace bluemaemo by your app name23:32
VDVsxplace this script under /debian as postinst23:32
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plastunok, I'll try. thanks23:33
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chem|stjebba: I dont get it... mirror is mirror and not mirror but without23:35
VDVsxplastun, please notice that icon-cache was dropped in maemo5 (Pr1.1)23:35
chem|stjebba: well its private I guess...23:35
chem|stnevermind I'll ask someone at my university23:35
VDVsxplastun, and menu-location was dropped in maemo5 (all versions) :)23:35
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ifreqProteous: cant find anything related to this so its a bit annoying recopy music into library.. and notice 3 albums come back everytime.. empty :P23:36
plastunand how icon updates processes in maemo5?23:36
VDVsxplastun, since pr1.1 you got a nice blue square :p23:36
VDVsx*get23:36
plastunyes23:36
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wazdthe one who coded maemo 5 theme colors23:39
wazdI oficially hate you23:39
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plastunwazd, why?23:42
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wazdplastun: cause he's a *really* funny guy23:43
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wazdplastun: or she23:43
ifreqProteous: seems tracker-processes -r does the hard reset23:43
ifreq:)23:43
plastun?23:43
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wazdplastun: he used same color for font color and font shadow color same time23:44
wazdplastun: more than that, he did it twice23:44
PhonoN900ifreq: i just popped in, but does that mean i can run that command (only) and hard reset my n900?23:45
wazdplastun: http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=6118&d=1264014617 <- white font, red shadow23:45
ifreqPhonoN900: ah no, its related to default media player23:45
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ifreq This will kill all Tracker processes and remove all databases23:45
wazdplastun: http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=6120&d=1264014730 <- red font white shadow23:45
ifreqPhonoN900: i have some dead songs on my database so needed to remove those23:45
PhonoN900gotcha, thanks23:45
plastunwazd, true!23:46
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Stskeepswazd: well, we can always fork the layout23:47
Stskeepsif it's a really nasty bug23:48
wazdStskeeps: well, it's not that nasty but it's definitely stupid :D23:49
wazdStskeeps: I can solve this problem, but I can't cure the brain :)23:49
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chem|stjebba: how do you sync your mirror?23:50
wazdoh damn!23:50
wazdNo, he's really stupid!23:50
wazdhttp://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=6113&d=126401309823:50
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wazdNow I can't make it black! :D23:51
wazdare they kidding? :D23:51
Stskeepswazd: a lot of the stuff can be customized though23:51
Stskeepswhich is another trip down the rabbit whole23:52
wazdStskeeps: yeah, but seriously23:52
wazdStskeeps: what the hell :)23:52
Stskeepshttp://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/h/hildon-theme-layout-5/hildon-theme-layout-5_0.13.2-1+0m5.tar.gz , look in rc/23:52
Stskeepsand data/23:52
wazdStskeeps: yes, but I really want to know what evil mind has done all this stuff23:53
Stskeepswazd: might be people sitting in this channel :P23:53
ifreqhumm23:54
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wazdStskeeps: maybe they can come up with any same explaination :)23:54
ifreqtracker-processes -r doesnt remove empty songs/albums *sigh*23:54
wazdsane*23:54
ifreqafter reboot i see them again23:54
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