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| woglinde | with kernel 2.6.29 from moblin | 00:00 |
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| Stskeeps | jebba: but it's all flushed out now | 00:00 |
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| Chiku | I 'installed adblock and I don't it anywhere | 00:00 |
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| jebba | odin_: I can use ftp on the SDK box. I don't have ftp client in the scratchbox, but i dont know why offhand it wouldn't work. Just exit the scratchbox if it's not working within it (not a NAT issue) | 00:01 |
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| jebba | Stskeeps: as of when? the posts keep coming. | 00:01 |
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| odin_ | jebba, works outside (which will do me), from inside I use "wget" that works ftp:// schems | 00:01 |
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| Stskeeps | jebba: where? i don't see any new ones | 00:02 |
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| Stskeeps | jebba: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html#t2010-01-19T20:06:07 it started at, X-Fade picked it up immediately, fixed it | 00:04 |
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| wolf^ | Chiku, yes, it does work, but it's hard to configure | 00:09 |
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| Chiku | where is adblock after installation? | 00:09 |
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| wolf^ | don't know/don't care | 00:10 |
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| wolf^ | you can try to copy your adblock configuration from pc to n900 | 00:10 |
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| wolf^ | look into /home/user/.mozilla/microb | 00:10 |
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| wolf^ | works for me | 00:10 |
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| odin_ | Chiku, you mean how do you configure it/remove it ? I have this same issue with "Load Applet" | 00:10 |
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| __ibz | hi, does anyone know the differences between the various image variants? usa vs middle east & north africa vs global? | 00:10 |
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| odin_ | language, legal, radio frequence capability/requirement differences ? (would be by guess) | 00:11 |
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| __ibz | odin_: ok, so if you have a us device, but using it in europe, you would use global not usa? | 00:12 |
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| * Arkenoi impressed people today with ussd widget: see, this thing is just a couple of scripts and a few mniutes to set up, can you do that on wm, android, or, haha, iphone? | 00:12 |
| odin_ | __ibz, well I would also guess different specific versions of hardware are also shipped to different parts of the world too | 00:12 |
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| odin_ | __ibz, not just visible keyboard layout changes, other things might be different | 00:13 |
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| ShadowJK | arkenoi: this is why I like maemo :) | 00:13 |
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| Shrik3 | Arkenoi: united studios of self defence widget or what?-) | 00:13 |
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| __ibz | hmmmn, so what image *should* i use, there is no guidance on the tablets-dev.nokia.com webpage.. | 00:14 |
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| Chiku | wolf^, does mean this file patterns.ini ? | 00:14 |
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| thomaz | __ibz, i reflashed mine with the global image, seems ok so far | 00:14 |
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| wolf^ | Chiku, yes, that one | 00:15 |
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| odin_ | __ibz, I would hope is there are real hardware difference, the flasher will refused to flash something that plainly won't work.. but that is a hope! | 00:15 |
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| Chiku | ok I will try it | 00:15 |
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| Arkenoi | Shrik3, a simple script that requests account balance from cellular operator and shows the result in a small widget | 00:15 |
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| Shrik3 | ah | 00:15 |
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| odin_ | Shrik3, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unstructured_Supplementary_Service_Data | 00:15 |
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| __ibz | i'm going to try global first...thanks odin_, thomaz | 00:16 |
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| odin_ | you know the "phone" bit of the device, that you would have expected Nokia to be shit hot on | 00:16 |
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| odin_ | but instead support for things every other phone has may never by part of the N900 | 00:16 |
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| Arkenoi | well, we already have MMS (though a bit tricky to set up) and USSD (not well-integrated), what else do we miss? voice dial? | 00:17 |
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| __ibz | odin_: are you saying maemo will never mature as a phone OS, or that by the time it does, n900 will likely not be supported (e.g maemo 6)? | 00:18 |
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| Arkenoi | i think PR1.2 will be good enough for a phone OS | 00:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, hmm? | 00:19 |
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| Chiku | about repository is I added devel so I don't need testing right? | 00:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | __ibz: fwiw, i work at nokia and don't know anything about the different images | 00:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | we didn't really know they existed | 00:31 |
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| pronto | i'm having trouble getting fMMS working, i set MMSC to http://mmsc.cingular.com (i have at&t) , but it'll say failed to download message | 00:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | __ibz: note that an n900 _must_ be able to operate anywhere in the world | 00:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | so whatever the differences are, they can't be too interesting :) | 00:36 |
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| Stskeeps | jebba: http://communitizer.blogspot.com/2010/01/backwards-compatibility-broken-pr11-sdk.html re discussions , it refers to it | 00:36 |
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| xorAxAx | pronto: maybe you have to configure another APN | 00:36 |
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| jebba | Stskeeps: dude on maemo-devel is still reporting repo errors | 00:39 |
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| jebba | in this case .gz related, not gpg | 00:39 |
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| jebba | http://pastebin.ca/1757618 | 00:40 |
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| jebba | Stskeeps: i'm getting: "W: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG E40DC434616730BD maemo.org Extras repositories (Fremantle Extras) <repositories@maemo.org>" | 00:46 |
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| xorAxAx | yes, i am seeing invalid signatures as well | 00:46 |
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| Chiku | oh top menu | 00:48 |
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| jebba | xorAxAx: any clue why? Is your error exactly the same as mine? | 00:49 |
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| jebba | X-Fade ? ^^ | 00:50 |
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| xorAxAx | jebba: yes, same error. well, invalid signatures :) | 00:50 |
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| jebba | xorAxAx: same BADSIG? If different, can you paste it? | 00:51 |
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| jebba | i'm submitting to bugzilla | 00:51 |
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| xorAxAx | yes, the same | 00:52 |
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| pronto | heh, when i confugure the at&t internet to use a proxy fmms works, but sites don't load right, there needs to be a way to only use the at&t proxy for fMMS | 00:55 |
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| * jebba waiting for headers man, it's still going on. | 00:55 |
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| krasatos | hi there, i got a lil question about the fm transmitter on n900 if any1's willing to help: im in a country where it's disabled, so i downloaded this app to enable the transmiter and now i can access it through the settings menu, still there is no option in the media player to route the audio to the fm transmitter... any ideas? | 00:58 |
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| Cas07 | hmmm tea and keyboard not playing nice tonight! | 01:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | krasatos: eh | 01:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | what do you mean a country where the fm transmitter is disabled? | 01:07 |
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| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: probably legal regulations prohibit private FM transmittors? | 01:09 |
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| krasatos | the fm transmitter of the n900 is disabled in some countries | 01:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | krasatos: open settings>fm transmitter | 01:11 |
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| krasatos | depending on the imei of the device | 01:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | krasatos: is it actually disabled? | 01:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | because that's nuts | 01:12 |
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| krasatos | ie Greek phones come with the fm transmitters of the device | 01:12 |
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| AOK-N | dddd | 01:12 |
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| __ibz | timeless_mbp: thanks | 01:12 |
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| krasatos | there is a hack to enable it | 01:12 |
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| krasatos | lemme fetch a link | 01:12 |
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| xorAxAx | its in the repo, the hack | 01:12 |
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| krasatos | yeh, it's this app "fmtx-faker" | 01:13 |
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| krasatos | thing is, although the transmiter is now working, at least i can access it's settings, | 01:13 |
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| xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: you didnt know that? :) | 01:13 |
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| krasatos | it;s not available to select as output on the maemo's built in media player | 01:13 |
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| Chiku | wolf^, adblock doens"t block ads like on my pc | 01:14 |
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| Chiku | i use same patterns.ini | 01:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: they don't tell us about every stupid thing that goes around in their heads | 01:14 |
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| krasatos | i can select it as output from this mediabox player (havent't tested if it's working yet) but i can select it | 01:15 |
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| krasatos | there's no option in the default media player | 01:15 |
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| * timeless_mbp frowns | 01:15 |
| krasatos | that's why im asking for clues :( | 01:15 |
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| * timeless_mbp kicks krasatos | 01:15 |
| timeless_mbp | let's try this again. | 01:15 |
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| xorAxAx | krasatos: there is a simple-fmtx widget | 01:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | did you open Settings? | 01:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | did you check the checkbox? | 01:15 |
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| xorAxAx | krasatos: that lets you enable the tx via the desktop | 01:15 |
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| wolf^ | Chiku, try opening xterm and execute "killall -9 browser browserd" | 01:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, I think you should request some stream-of-consciousness microblogging. | 01:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | did you select a frequency? | 01:15 |
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| wolf^ | ChanServ, preferably as root | 01:15 |
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| wolf^ | Chiku, this should reload browser (and adblock) | 01:15 |
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| nomis | Hum. hildon.WizardDialog for some reason messes with the title of the dialog when switching pages. It suddenly showed "Welcome" that I did not specify anywhere. | 01:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wolf^, restart browser may be a better option. | 01:16 |
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| krasatos | timeless_mbp: yes, but the last step is to start playing a song and then have the media player to output it to the fm transmitter right? | 01:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Or whatever the hell the upstart recipe is. | 01:16 |
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| Chiku | wolf^, I even reboot it | 01:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | krasatos: yes | 01:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | err no | 01:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | last step is to plug in headphones | 01:17 |
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| wolf^ | Chiku, which adblock are you using (how have you installed it)? | 01:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | and *then* turn on the media player | 01:17 |
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| Chiku | yes | 01:17 |
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| krasatos | ow, | 01:17 |
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| krasatos | lemme check ;) | 01:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | if you don't plug in headphones, you don't have an antenna | 01:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | if you don't have an antenna, well.. you can't transimt | 01:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | s/imt/mit/ | 01:17 |
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| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: if you don't have an antenna, well.. you can't transmit | 01:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: users suck | 01:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, erm, actually, doesn't plugging in headphones DISABLE the transmitter? | 01:18 |
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| Chiku | adblock plus 1maemo0-8 | 01:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, receiver requires headphones. | 01:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The transmitter doesn't. | 01:18 |
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| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: from memory, no | 01:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Maybe it just lowers the output power when headphones are plugged in. | 01:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | (disproportionately, so you're likely to get a lower quality signal) | 01:19 |
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| krasatos | generalantilles ure right, it wont let me launch the transmitter with anything pluged in the jack slot, headphones or av output cable | 01:19 |
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| Chiku | lol, I'm reading description "... Will requirea reboot or two after installation before it will work" | 01:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | oops | 01:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | sorry :) | 01:19 |
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| * timeless_mbp doesn't really use the transmitter | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, you suck. :P | 01:19 |
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| wolf^ | Chiku, see http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/adblock-plus-1.0/ | 01:20 |
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| wolf^ | Chiku, seems there are some problems (but with workarounds) | 01:20 |
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| krasatos | hmm... ok, if i enable the transmitter first from the settings menu, then run the media player it routes the sound to the transmitter, it's working | 01:21 |
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| wolf^ | Chiku, I have adblock 1.1.1, not from extras, which works better | 01:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, stupid question | 01:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | how does one test the fm radio? | 01:21 |
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| odin_ | __ibz, I'm saying its been commented on my representatives as Nokia that for the N900 at least certain phone functions (which usually have UI) may never be provided | 01:21 |
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| Chiku | where did you got this version? | 01:21 |
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| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, send or receive? | 01:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | send :) | 01:22 |
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| * timeless_mbp can't figure out how to use the fm radio on this stereo system | 01:22 |
| w00t | is there a safe way to restart X without restarting the whole device (over ssh)? I've managed to horribly confuse the application menu in interesting ways | 01:22 |
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| krasatos | i just thought that i could enable it after runing the media player and then tapping on the top of the screen and selecting transmitter (saw the option in a youtube vid, had the playlist buttons+ a fm transmitter option) mine doesnt, but it seems to wokr the other way around | 01:22 |
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| krasatos | i can leave with it | 01:22 |
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| krasatos | live* | 01:23 |
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| krasatos | thanx guys, nn+cu round | 01:23 |
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| AOK-N | hmmm | 01:23 |
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| odin_ | ah I see why the gzip/akamai talk earliar in channel; to do with current repo errors | 01:24 |
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| * w00t tries to restart it anywaty | 01:24 |
| timeless_mbp | hey! | 01:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | i could test using my n800! | 01:24 |
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| wolf^ | Chiku, http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/12/ | 01:25 |
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| wolf^ | Chiku, remember to uninstall old adblock first | 01:25 |
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| krasatos | hm, thought of another question :).... how do i add msn messenger support to the built in IM thingy? | 01:25 |
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| Chiku | thx wolf^ | 01:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | wow | 01:25 |
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| w00t | hooray | 01:26 |
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| * timeless_mbp didn't realize that browser.garage still published news | 01:26 |
| w00t | restarting hildon-desktop fixed it | 01:26 |
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| w00t | though I do wonder why, if the init.d script can stop and start it, why it can't just restart it | 01:26 |
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| w00t | though it is of little consequence | 01:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | krasatos: it's in extras | 01:27 |
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| krasatos | any hint on the name so i can search for it? | 01:28 |
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| krasatos | timeless_mbp | 01:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | msn protocol plugin for Conversations and Contacts | 01:28 |
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| krasatos | thanx timeless | 01:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | krasatos: so | 01:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | the fm radio icon in the status area... | 01:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | just tells you that you're broadcasting | 01:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | the item in the menu lets you change the settings | 01:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | remember that the broadcast range for the fm radio is incredibly small | 01:29 |
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| krasatos | timeless_mbp: mate, when in the "now playing" screen when u tap on the top part, do u get a fm transmitter option? | 01:31 |
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| javispedro | the official fmtx middleware _disables_ the tx when headphones are connected | 01:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | krasatos: yes | 01:31 |
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| krasatos | i dont get one :( | 01:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | do you really not get one? | 01:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | timeless: The FM transmitter runs from a transmit antenna loop that is integrated into the case, and connected by a little spring connector | 01:32 |
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| * timeless_mbp frowns | 01:32 |
| krasatos | yep | 01:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: interesting | 01:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | krasatos: gah, | 01:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | timeless: see the hardware hacking page in the n900_hardware category for the l3/l4 manual | 01:32 |
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| krasatos | i only get "Clear current playlist" and "Save playlist" timeless_mbp | 01:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: no thanks | 01:32 |
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| * timeless_mbp sighs | 01:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - one way of checking the tx is to measure teh current consumption - but that won't work reliably with the internal sensor - as it's only a 19mA jump | 01:33 |
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| uhsf | new Sony VAIO Z is gonna be so powerful but I'm so poor I can't buy laptops | 01:34 |
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| w00t | uhsf: info? | 01:35 |
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| * w00t is a sony lover | 01:35 |
| xorAxAx | thinkpads are the better sony | 01:35 |
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| krasatos | is there some way to keep incoming messages and missed calls notifications visible in the desktops? | 01:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | krasatos: can you visit a country which doesn't have this rule and then file a bug? | 01:35 |
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| xorAxAx | :-) | 01:36 |
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| krasatos | well. i think its working anyway if i enable the transmitter before i run the media app, so i dont think i'll bother | 01:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | because if it doesn't work properly when you're in another country, it's buggy | 01:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | ebay | 01:37 |
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| krasatos | maybe in an update of the media playeer it'll be fixed | 01:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | krasatos: which software are you running? | 01:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | 42-11/44-1/51-1/ ? | 01:38 |
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| krasatos | i update the latest update available | 01:38 |
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| krasatos | 5.1? | 01:38 |
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| Chiku | wolf^, when microb need restart, when I tap on restart it won't | 01:39 |
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| krasatos | yo timeless... how can i check my contacts? how can i see who's online? | 01:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | just open addressbook, tap the title, tap the third tab | 01:40 |
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| Chiku | and if I closed microb, when I launch it, I don't see adblock in extension list :( | 01:40 |
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| w00t | open contacts, click the title area | 01:40 |
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| w00t | timeless_mbp as ever, is faster :-) | 01:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | krasatos: which language is your device using? | 01:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | iirc we don't offer greek | 01:41 |
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| krasatos | i am Greek, but i use the phone in english | 01:41 |
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| wolf^ | Chiku, just open the x terminal and execute kill -9 ... command | 01:41 |
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| krasatos | thanx for the tip btw, it would take me a while to find it out ;) | 01:42 |
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| pupnik | ssh + mplayer helps locate device | 01:43 |
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| krasatos | gnite guys, thanx for all the help ;) | 01:43 |
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| javispedro | ... specially if you output audio with media.role == "game" which bypasses most volume controls | 01:43 |
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| javispedro | and thus you get a loud _bang_ from the speakers | 01:43 |
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| pupnik | didn't try that | 01:44 |
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| AOK | fre | 01:44 |
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| pupnik | it disables xprot? | 01:44 |
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| pupnik | @ javispedro | 01:44 |
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| AOK | Soo I have a big problem | 01:44 |
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| AOK | I have installed | 01:44 |
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| javispedro | nope, just uses max volume no matter what | 01:44 |
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| javispedro | even with headphones connected | 01:44 |
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| javispedro | (it's a bug, I filed it) | 01:44 |
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| AOK | Beah SSh | 01:44 |
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| AOK | the client | 01:45 |
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| AOK | I want to install HAMACHI | 01:45 |
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| AOK | http://logmeinwiki.com/wiki/Hamachi:Install_on_Nokia_N800 | 01:45 |
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| AOK | The problem is | 01:45 |
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| pupnik | ok do not try to move vmware-player to a new system. reinstall instead. | 01:45 |
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| AOK | Install dropbear SSH | 01:45 |
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| AOK | In xterm, do a dbclient root@127.1 with password "rootme" (if rootme doesn't work, update your Nokia software to the latest version, at least the 3/2007 version. | 01:45 |
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| AOK | Now here is where it asks for password | 01:45 |
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| AOK | and gainroot is not working | 01:46 |
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| AOK | neither is rootme | 01:46 |
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| AOK | on my N900 | 01:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | type root | 01:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | what happens | 01:46 |
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| AOK | I have of course ran it under give me a sec | 01:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | you have installed the roothsh pachage? | 01:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | rootsh | 01:46 |
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| AOK | restarting | 01:46 |
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| woglinde | aok using old outdate compiled binary stuff is crap | 01:46 |
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| AOK | well I know | 01:46 |
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| woglinde | get the source code and make a fine package out of it | 01:46 |
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| AOK | I am too noob | 01:47 |
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| AOK | :-( | 01:47 |
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| woglinde | we all were noobs | 01:47 |
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| woglinde | try hard to get better | 01:47 |
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| AOK | for repacking | 01:47 |
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| Cas07 | nice slogan "we all were noobs" :D | 01:48 |
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| woglinde | *g* | 01:48 |
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| Cas07 | oh noz my enter and backspace key have suffered from tea attack!! | 01:48 |
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| AOK | neither | 01:48 |
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| AOK | "root" nor "rootsh" works | 01:49 |
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| woglinde | apt-get install rootsh | 01:49 |
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| woglinde | sudo gainroot | 01:49 |
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| AOK | ye ye ye | 01:49 |
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| AOK | did that ;-) | 01:49 |
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| woglinde | enable extras | 01:49 |
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| woglinde | in programmanger | 01:49 |
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| AOK | as I said prior to runnung the dbclient | 01:49 |
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| AOK | I got the root access | 01:49 |
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| pupnik | javispedro: do you plan to pursue the rendering in .25 or does it look like a bad path? | 01:50 |
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| AOK | but then I have the # sign | 01:50 |
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| AOK | ;-) | 01:50 |
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| javispedro | pupnik: you mean the hildon scaling stuff? | 01:51 |
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| pupnik | yes | 01:51 |
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| javispedro | i am trying to encapsulate it | 01:51 |
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| javispedro | just now trying to decide how... | 01:51 |
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| pupnik | i don't understand | 01:51 |
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| javispedro | basically, you need to render your stuff to a window not managed by sdl | 01:51 |
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| pupnik | ah | 01:51 |
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| pupnik | gtk-pixbuf or smth? | 01:52 |
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| javispedro | then send some commands to the window manager indicating rotation, scale, etc. | 01:52 |
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| javispedro | I currently use a plain x window on drnok | 01:52 |
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| Mohan | I was trying to update to the latest 2.2009-51 version from win 7 and software update failed | 01:52 |
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| javispedro | and of course it looks a bit ugly to have all the sdl code and THEN some xlib code | 01:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | is ham capable of handling *any* conflicts? | 01:52 |
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| Mohan | now my n900 is bricked, I've read the docs for flashing using the flasher utility and the bin image file. | 01:53 |
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| javispedro | pupnik: my current plan is to wrap this into a set of SDL_CreateActor / SDL_FreeActor functions that hide that from you and give you a surface to render to | 01:53 |
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| javispedro | s/surface/SDL_Surface | 01:53 |
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| javispedro | but that may still mean some mods to games.. | 01:54 |
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| Mohan | when I connect the device in a linux mahcine and hold the U key for a while I see that nokia usb rom connected and followed by usb disconnected | 01:54 |
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| pupnik | javispedro: that is GREAT | 01:55 |
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| Mohan | http://pastebin.com/m6debb9 | 01:55 |
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| Mohan | can someone help me here to figure out whats the issue. | 01:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | anyone here willing to test something for me? | 01:56 |
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| ml-mobile | hmm | 01:56 |
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| pupnik | the advantages for sdk in a vm are serious. i should have run with that from the beginning | 01:56 |
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| pronto | timeless_mbp: depends | 01:56 |
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| ml-mobile | there | 01:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/bugs-maemo-8288/test.install | 01:57 |
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| pronto | what do you want tested | 01:57 |
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| ml-mobile | all of freenode is locked to unregistered users eh? | 01:57 |
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| javispedro | uh oh, updated libc in lenny | 01:57 |
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| * javispedro panics | 01:57 |
| timeless_mbp | add the repo, install the package, go to app/manager | 01:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | tap the title area, choose restore | 01:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | tap restore | 01:57 |
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| pronto | timeless_mbp: what is it? | 01:57 |
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| Chiku | someone else already install adblock? | 01:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8288 | 01:57 |
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| povbot` | Bug 8288: application manager restore shouldn't list packages that will lose a replaces-conflicts contest with the current system | 01:57 |
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| Mohan | Is this the room to ask support for n900 flashing ? | 01:58 |
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| javispedro | povbot: pin | 01:58 |
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| Chiku | that's making me creazy | 01:58 |
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| javispedro | povbot: ping | 01:58 |
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| javispedro | povbot`: ping | 01:58 |
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| povbot` | pong | 01:58 |
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| javispedro | heh. | 01:58 |
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| pronto | timeless_mbp: added | 01:59 |
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| pronto | wella dding | 01:59 |
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| Mohan | javispedro: I've got my n900 bricked. I'm trying to reflash it but i dont see the usb logo screen as mentioned in the document | 01:59 |
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| pronto | timeless_mbp: added now | 01:59 |
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| GAN900 | Mohan, the USB cable must be connected. | 02:00 |
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| Mohan | http://pastebin.com/m6debb9 | 02:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: roughly, this is trying to fast track you through the steps in the bug | 02:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | you're at around step 15 | 02:00 |
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| pronto | heh | 02:00 |
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| pronto | "1 app sucessfully installed" | 02:00 |
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| Mohan | thats a tail of /var/log/messages when I hold the u key and connect the usb cable | 02:00 |
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| odin_ | can the "devtools" repo be optified? "deb http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools free non-free" ? | 02:01 |
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| Mohan | GAN900: It is kept connected. As of now all i see is the black nokia text and when connected to power cable it shows yellow light for few seconds | 02:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: tap the title area, select restore... | 02:02 |
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| javispedro | oh, Nokia fixed something in SDL which I was workarounding in drnok :) | 02:02 |
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| pronto | thats greyed out | 02:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: which is? | 02:03 |
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| pronto | "Restore applications" that is | 02:03 |
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| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 02:03 |
| timeless_mbp | open xterm | 02:03 |
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| Mohan | so many people around, but its a shame no one is willing to help a small issue. | 02:03 |
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| xorAxAx | Mohan: and your flasher doesnt recognize the device? | 02:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | cat .hildon-application-manager/packages.backup | 02:04 |
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| Mohan | Unable to enumerate USB buses!, flasher quits saying this | 02:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | Mohan: are you su? | 02:04 |
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| javispedro | Mohan: distro? | 02:04 |
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| Mohan | opensuse11.2 | 02:05 |
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| mikhas | your device needs to be off, not some black nokia text or such | 02:05 |
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| Mohan | I am running it as root. | 02:05 |
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| pronto | there is no "packages.backup" under that dir | 02:05 |
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| pupnik | one, two, buckle my shoe | 02:05 |
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| Mohan | It was indeed off. | 02:05 |
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| mikhas | completely blank screen? | 02:05 |
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| Mohan | yup | 02:05 |
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| jaem_n900 | morning, folks | 02:05 |
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| xorAxAx | Mohan: stop fiddling with your device and get the flasher working beforehand | 02:05 |
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| mikhas | because it doesnt switch off if it was still connected via usb | 02:05 |
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| Mohan | USB disconnect, address 9 | 02:06 |
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| xorAxAx | Mohan: it has to say "waiting for device" or something like that | 02:06 |
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| javispedro | opensuse11.2 uses /dev/bus/usb and not /proc/bus/usb (though I guess flasher already supports that?) | 02:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: oops | 02:06 |
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| * timeless_mbp screwed up | 02:06 |
| pronto | haha | 02:06 |
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| pronto | should i go ahead and uninstall it? | 02:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | yeah | 02:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | and remove the catalog | 02:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | then try the link again :) | 02:06 |
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| Mohan | why does the connected devices disconnects soon? any reason for it. | 02:06 |
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| pronto | its "a" right | 02:06 |
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| jaem_n900 | I reflashed my N900 with PR1.1, leaving the eMMC intact, and now my Tracker db is borked | 02:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | yep | 02:07 |
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| xorAxAx | Mohan: because it doesnt see a flasher | 02:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | it installed package 'a' instead of a different package that pulls in package 'b' :) | 02:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: this is why i need a tester :) | 02:07 |
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| jaem_n900 | e.g. the media player only sees some files, and their metadata as shown is wrong | 02:07 |
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| pronto | lol | 02:07 |
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| xorAxAx | jaem_n900: clear it with tracker-processes -r | 02:07 |
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| jaem_n900 | xorAxAx, willdo, thanks | 02:07 |
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| pronto | timeless_mbp: as long as you doont compeletly brick my phone, i'll test things | 02:07 |
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| xorAxAx | jaem_n900: as user | 02:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: yeah, so, remove 'a', remove the catalog, and then try the .install link again | 02:07 |
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| pronto | kk | 02:08 |
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| Mohan | let me try again. I will remove the battery, for few minutes, put the battery back. run the flasher command. hold the u key and connect the usb cable and keep holding the u key. | 02:08 |
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| jaem_n900 | xorAxAx, yes - that looked like it flushed it properly :) | 02:08 |
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| Mohan | this should do the job right ? | 02:08 |
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| xorAxAx | Mohan: wrong wrong wrong | 02:08 |
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| xorAxAx | Mohan: you get your flasher working until it says waiting for device | 02:08 |
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| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 02:08 |
| xorAxAx | Mohan: did you google for the error message? | 02:09 |
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| Mohan | when I run the flasher command i see that it says waiting for the device. | 02:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | how do i clear this stupid cache | 02:09 |
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| xorAxAx | Mohan: didnt you say it gives you an error message? | 02:09 |
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| pronto | timeless_mbp: going again, with that game link | 02:09 |
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| xorAxAx | Mohan: please pastebin command line and output on paste.pocoo.org | 02:10 |
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| javispedro | marbles is now OSS O.o | 02:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: if it asks you to install 'a', then it's doing the wrong thing | 02:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | and i need to flush the cache | 02:10 |
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| jaem_n900 | out of curiousity, is there any documentation for the exposed PCB pads under the battery on the N900? I recall there were pictures of Nokia folks using flashing jigs that seemed to connect to some of those | 02:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | jaem_n900: we don't document that stuff ;-) | 02:11 |
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| cehteh | one is the serial port | 02:11 |
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| cehteh | maybe the other is jtag, and maybe usb? | 02:11 |
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| Mohan | The error i get is unable to enumerate the usb device. apart from that in the /var/log/messages i see the device found and it gets disconnected. which i have pasted in the paste bin. | 02:11 |
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| jaem_n900 | timeless_mbp, cehteh, is there any unofficial info available? | 02:12 |
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| pronto | timeless_mbp its asking me install Bug 8288 ,and under "installing" it says to install: b(0.1) | 02:12 |
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| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8288 application manager restore shouldn't list packages that will lose a replaces-conflicts contest with the current system | 02:12 |
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| xorAxAx | Mohan: Url? | 02:12 |
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| jaem_n900 | also, cehteh, what sort of serial port? | 02:12 |
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| cehteh | jaem_n900: google :) | 02:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | much better :) | 02:12 |
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| pronto | and to verify, under uninstall it shows "b" | 02:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, now try restore :) | 02:13 |
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| pronto | what excatly will it restore? | 02:14 |
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| Mohan | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/167333/ | 02:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | it'll fail :) | 02:14 |
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| AOK | weird | 02:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | it's supposed to restore 'a' :) | 02:14 |
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| AOK | how am I suppossed to get | 02:14 |
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| AOK | vi ~/.hamachi/config | 02:14 |
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| AOK | there is no ~ on n900 keyboard | 02:14 |
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| jaem_n900 | thanks, all | 02:15 |
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| AOK | ??? | 02:15 |
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| pronto | that "that restore applications is still grayed out | 02:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | AOK: blue, ctrl, ~, space | 02:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: WAH | 02:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | jaem_n900: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking - if you find out anything | 02:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | meh | 02:15 |
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| xorAxAx | Mohan: ok, now you remove all cables from your n900, press u and while doing so connect the usb cable | 02:16 |
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| xorAxAx | Mohan: before you need to turn off your device | 02:16 |
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| pronto | installed that .install you linked, it installed b, checked that menu that says "restore applications" it was greyed out, so i closed and repopened the app manager, its still greyed out | 02:16 |
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| xorAxAx | Mohan: and, does it work? | 02:18 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: yeah, i need to figure out what's w/ my postinst | 02:19 |
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| pronto | kk | 02:20 |
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| pronto | i'll go ahead and uninstall b, and remove that catalog | 02:20 |
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| AOK | timeless_mbp: | 02:20 |
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| AOK | you mean blue & ctrl and space? | 02:20 |
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| AOK | it is not working | 02:21 |
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| AOK-N | @ | 02:21 |
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| Mohan | I did exactly that, removed the battery and put it back so just had a black screen. holded the u key and connected the usb cable. | 02:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | AOK: blue, ctrl, ~, space | 02:21 |
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| pronto | lol, timeless_mbp "unable to uniinstall 'b' some application packages are needed buy other applcations | 02:21 |
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| AOK | still don't understand | 02:21 |
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| AOK | PLS can you explain? | 02:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: you need to uninstall 'Bug...' first | 02:22 |
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| pronto | oh need to reboge that bug 8288 | 02:22 |
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| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8288 application manager restore shouldn't list packages that will lose a replaces-conflicts contest with the current system | 02:22 |
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| pronto | yeah just noticed | 02:22 |
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| Mohan | started the flasher before connecting the cable, on the second log entry which says new usb device found, the flasher exited saying unable to enumerate usb devices | 02:22 |
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| Mohan | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/167337/ | 02:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | sorry, i should have it right the next time | 02:22 |
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| * timeless_mbp just hasn't built a postinst from scratch in a while | 02:22 |
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| AOK-N | ~ | 02:22 |
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| AOK | Cool timeless_mbp | 02:22 |
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| AOK | got it | 02:22 |
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| AOK | :-) | 02:23 |
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| xorAxAx | Mohan: hmm, no idea | 02:23 |
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| xorAxAx | Mohan: thats a nokia proprietary closed source product, ask a nokia guy :) | 02:23 |
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| Mohan | I've checked it twice and it happened exactly what i said. | 02:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | Mohan: most nokians sleep before 2am | 02:24 |
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| pupnik | 'usb disconnect' | 02:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | ask nokians during business hours | 02:24 |
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| pronto | wait how did you get that ~ what do you mean by blue? | 02:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: look at the keyboard | 02:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | only one key is just blue. | 02:25 |
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| pronto | oh that arrow? | 02:25 |
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| AOK | OK next weird step: | 02:25 |
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| AOK | vi ~/.hamachi/config | 02:25 |
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| AOK | KeepAlive 20 | 02:25 |
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| AOK | <press enter> | 02:25 |
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| AOK | <press "Back" button on device> | 02:25 |
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| AOK | :wq | 02:25 |
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| pupnik | Mohan: i suspect something wrong on host system or cable | 02:25 |
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| Mohan | I'm using a dell laptop for the process wonder would this has something to do with that. (i.e the way usb devices are organised) | 02:25 |
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| AOK | vi ~/.hamachi/config | 02:25 |
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| AOK | opens the vi | 02:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | Mohan: @nokia we use dells, ibms, and hps mostly | 02:26 |
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| pupnik | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=maemo+flashing+%22unable+to+enumerate+usb+buses!%22 | 02:27 |
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| Mohan | mount -t usbfs none /proc/bus/usb | 02:27 |
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| Mohan | I did run that command before that second attempt. | 02:27 |
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| AOK | I can't write anything? | 02:28 |
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| AOK | does anyone happen to know why? | 02:28 |
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| AOK | any idea why> | 02:28 |
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| odin_ | power down of 55-1 looks more organised/better, but a fullscreen message / progress bar (would be better than the initial 3 seconds of all desktops merged on top of each other, like spaghetti) | 02:28 |
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| odin_ | timeless_mbp, I've installed 'crash-reporter_1.27+0m5_armel.deb' and now I see 'Segmentation fault (core dumped)' instead of just 'Segmentation fault' but I can't actually locate any "core*" files | 02:30 |
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| odin_ | documentation points to /home/user/MyDocs/core-dumps/ but currently empty (after I make a few 'Segmentation fault (core dumped)' happen with OS default s/w) | 02:31 |
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| Mohan | let me try in ubuntu and see how it goes. | 02:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | odin_: crash-reporter collects them | 02:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | open settings>crash reporter | 02:35 |
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| odin_ | timeless_mbp, all the ticks in all the boxes I'd expect (the default settings) the collection area is /home/user/MyDocs/core-dumps/ according to http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/sp-rich-core but as yet not gotten it to create one, maybe I compile up the example ./crasher binary and start with that "memset(NULL, 0, 4);" | 02:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | odin_: if you choose "Send all", what happens? | 02:38 |
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| odin_ | timeless_mbp, yep is says it has 1 stored report :) | 02:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | it should tell you what it is.. | 02:39 |
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| odin_ | yep from the binary that is crashing | 02:39 |
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| ShadowJK | does send all resend old stuff? | 02:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm yummy. Pink breathing light, with a much better rhythm | 02:40 |
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| AOK | how to get out of VI? | 02:41 |
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| AOK | Guys pls help | 02:41 |
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| ShadowJK | esc :q | 02:41 |
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| AOK | which button is escape on n900? | 02:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | might tweak a lil more to get a veritable heartbeat | 02:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | esc ZZ is clearly better | 02:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | ZZ is easy to press | 02:41 |
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| AOK | what is esc on N900? | 02:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: one more try? | 02:42 |
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| pronto | sure give me a second | 02:43 |
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| pronto | same link? | 02:43 |
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| lardman|home | AOK: onscreen kb | 02:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | yep | 02:43 |
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| lardman|home | AOK: or rather the shortcut bar at the bottom of xterm | 02:43 |
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| odin_ | it knows there has been a crash but I'm trying to get access to the data (the core) | 02:44 |
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| pronto | installing ^^ | 02:45 |
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| pronto | installed, "b" and that "bug...." but restore applicatons is still greyed out , when i restarted the application manager, the "restore applications" is clickable | 02:47 |
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| pronto | after clicking restore, it wants me to install "a" | 02:49 |
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| pronto | timeless_mbp: ^^ | 02:49 |
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| pronto | and then it says "unable to install "a" conflicting application packages" | 02:50 |
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| pronto | conflicts with "b" | 02:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | victory! | 02:50 |
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| pronto | :D | 02:50 |
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| AOK | A new one | 02:50 |
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| AOK | error while loading shared libraires: libcrypto.so.0.9.7: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory | 02:50 |
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| AOK | is there by defaul any such library on the phone? | 02:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | AOK: who wants libcrypto 097? | 02:50 |
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| AOK | hamachi ;-) | 02:51 |
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| timeless_mbp | people probably use 098.. | 02:51 |
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| AOK | that old hamachi ;-) | 02:51 |
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| odin_ | yes OpenSSL is part of the base platform /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8 /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.8 | 02:51 |
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| AOK | great | 02:51 |
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| woglinde | try ln -s /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8 /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.7 | 02:51 |
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| AOK | so how am I now going to say to hamachi to use the newer version | 02:51 |
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| AOK | OK woglinde | 02:52 |
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| AOK | thanks | 02:52 |
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| odin_ | woglinde, lol | 02:52 |
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| AOK | that will add a shortcut to that file right with the different name? | 02:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: you can now trash those packages :) | 02:53 |
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| odin_ | if you can obtain a 0.9.7 build of openssl you can put the libcrypto.so.0.9.7 in the same dir as the binary (and then use envvar settings to make it load) | 02:53 |
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| pronto | already done | 02:54 |
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| woglinde | odin old trick | 02:54 |
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| woglinde | sometimes work | 02:54 |
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| odin_ | ld.so(8) search for LD_PRELOAD and LD_LIBRARY_PATH | 02:54 |
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| woglinde | if api didnt change this bad | 02:54 |
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| pronto | timeless_mbp: if you ever need anything else tested, as long as it wont brick my device i'll be happy to test | 02:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: thanks :) | 02:55 |
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| AOK | nope didin't worked | 02:55 |
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| odin_ | the API did change, just because it runs means the symbols did not change (which is probably true for using a newer version as older) but the strcture sizes may also have changed, in which case random crashes for you | 02:55 |
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| AOK | where am I going to find openssl 0.9.7? :-( | 02:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | AOK: you won't | 02:56 |
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| AOK | openssl-0.9.7-1.i386 | 02:56 |
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| AOK | that the best I found :-( | 02:56 |
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| woglinde | the link trick didnt work? | 02:56 |
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| AOK | nope | 02:56 |
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| woglinde | whats the error now? | 02:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | why not rebuild against 098? | 02:56 |
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| woglinde | no source code | 02:56 |
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| woglinde | its payware crap | 02:56 |
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| AOK | woglinde: the same | 02:57 |
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| woglinde | aok ????? | 02:57 |
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| woglinde | aok whats ldd hamachi-bin says? | 02:57 |
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| odin_ | "apt-cache showpkg openssl" does not show a 0.9.7 release for fremantle, will a previous version (from maemo4 etc..) work on you device (which is ? N900?) | 02:58 |
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| pronto | has anyone seen that "BirdFlew" guy that was working on an app that'll track your device if it's lost? | 03:00 |
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| AOK | http://files.hamachi.cc/linux/nokia-770/ | 03:01 |
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| AOK | :-( | 03:02 |
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| odin_ | AOK, what is your device ? | 03:02 |
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| AOK | N900 | 03:02 |
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| AOK | that is what I am telling you | 03:02 |
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| AOK | I am trying to install it on N900 | 03:02 |
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| AOK | and as you can see from the name it is ment for 770 | 03:02 |
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| odin_ | is libcrypto the _ONLY_ library missing? from "ldd" output? | 03:03 |
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| AOK | perhaps | 03:03 |
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| AOK | Don't know | 03:03 |
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| odin_ | well run "ldd /path/binary" | 03:03 |
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| AOK | nice | 03:04 |
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| AOK | libcrypto not found | 03:04 |
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| AOK | on three others there isare some addresses | 03:04 |
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| odin_ | so that all you need? | 03:04 |
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| AOK | which might mean that this is the only thing I need | 03:05 |
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| AOK | ;-) | 03:05 |
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| AOK | yep | 03:05 |
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| AOK | any ideas? | 03:06 |
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| pupnik | it is nice to make a local cache of your debs, for when you get broken apt download | 03:08 |
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| AOK | apt-get install libssl0.9.7 | 03:10 |
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| AOK | so I tried this | 03:10 |
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| AOK | but | 03:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | pupnik: nah, jebba 's solves that | 03:10 |
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| AOK | package libssl0.9.7 is not available but is reffered to another package | 03:11 |
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| AOK | :-( | 03:11 |
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| AOK | guys PLS help me on this one :-) | 03:12 |
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| AOK | http://packages.debian.org/etch/libssl0.9.7 | 03:12 |
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| odin_ | AOK be patient... | 03:12 |
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| AOK | http://packages.debian.org/etch/arm/libssl0.9.7/download | 03:13 |
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| AOK | OK | 03:13 |
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| woglinde | ldd should foound it now | 03:13 |
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| AOK | :-) | 03:13 |
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| woglinde | or you made the link wrong | 03:13 |
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| AOK | nope | 03:13 |
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| AOK | ok will try again | 03:13 |
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| odin_ | AOK try http://www.darrylmiles.org/temp/maemo/libcrypto.so.0.9.7 | 03:13 |
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| woglinde | whats /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.7 now poiting too? | 03:14 |
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| odin_ | courtesy of the j.e.b.b.a. scratchbox | 03:14 |
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| woglinde | odin *g* | 03:14 |
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| AOK | so if I try to do the ln again | 03:14 |
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| AOK | it says it exists | 03:14 |
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| AOK | but | 03:14 |
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| woglinde | ls -la /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.7 | 03:14 |
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| AOK | ldd and execution of hamachi don't find it | 03:15 |
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| odin_ | put it in the same dir as the binary.. run binary like: "LD_PRELOAD=/path/libcrypto.so.0.9.7 /path/hamachi" | 03:15 |
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| xorAxAx | hail pulseaudio | 03:16 |
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| xorAxAx | 785 pulse 12 -8 83112 3956 2120 S 0.0 1.6 9:16.84 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --system --high-priority | 03:16 |
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| odin_ | try "LD_PRELOAD=/path/libcrypto.so.0.9.7 ldd /path/hamachi" | 03:16 |
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| AOK | woglinde: no file found | 03:16 |
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| xorAxAx | WTH does it need 83 MB VIRT | 03:16 |
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| AOK | what did I do wrong? | 03:16 |
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| odin_ | you need to "ldconfig" if you installed in a system path (which I do not advise) | 03:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | has anybody found out about LED_patterns madness yet? the chip has E engines and NO mux to assign LEDs to particular engines. The assumption engine3 is for kbd is totally screwed | 03:17 |
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| AOK | is usr/bin system path in linux? | 03:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | s/E/3/ | 03:18 |
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| infobot | DocScrutinizer51 meant: has anybody found out about L3D_patterns madness yet? the chip has E engines and NO mux to assign LEDs to particular engines. The assumption engine3 is for kbd is totally screwed | 03:18 |
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| odin_ | ^^ heh | 03:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | fsck | 03:18 |
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| xorAxAx | LSD? :) | 03:19 |
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| AOK | LDD_PRELOAD did not workd | 03:19 |
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| AOK | finNOT FOUND | 03:19 |
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| AOK | NOT FOUND | 03:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | omg. my poor mind is going apeshit on that LED driver | 03:20 |
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| odin_ | AOK, what is the path to your executable and your library ? /opt/far/far/away/hamachi ? | 03:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | nota bene I *love* LP5521. Just what those creeps made of it is.... dunno the right word | 03:21 |
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| odin_ | AOK, do DSOs need to be marked executable, i.e. chmod a+x libcrypto.so.0.9.7 ? | 03:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | not afaik | 03:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | i know nuttin tho | 03:23 |
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| nomis | mhm, the Progress bar in the Hildon.Note widget apparently is no longer working? | 03:24 |
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| woglinde | odin_ nope | 03:25 |
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| woglinde | why? | 03:25 |
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| * timeless_mbp sighs | 03:25 |
| * timeless_mbp = idiot | 03:25 |
| woglinde | lol | 03:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: ping | 03:25 |
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| pronto | hi? | 03:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: please say you *don't* have openssh-server installed | 03:26 |
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| pronto | i have ssh client installed on my n900 | 03:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, good | 03:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | please disable all repos, and enable/add the tools repo | 03:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | then try to add openssh server | 03:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | before you add it, find out the version it's going to install | 03:27 |
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| pronto | o.O tools repo? | 03:27 |
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| odin_ | ~devtools | 03:27 |
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| infobot | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? | 03:27 |
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| pronto | i have the extra, and extra dev, ovi, and the default one | 03:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | odin_: sounds usefull | 03:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5#Installation | 03:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: disable all of those, add this one ^ | 03:28 |
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| odin_ | infobot devtools is at "deb http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools free non-free" see documentation at http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 | 03:28 |
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| infobot | ...but devtools is already something else... | 03:28 |
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| odin_ | what has World of Warcraft go to do with Maemo ? | 03:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | odin_: use 'maemo ...' | 03:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | odin_: please note that infobot is almost certainly a shared resource | 03:29 |
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| AOK | odin_: what is DSOs | 03:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | odin_: infobot is channel agnostic | 03:29 |
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| AOK | will it be wrong to install the libcrypto 0.97 | 03:30 |
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| AOK | will it damage the phone? | 03:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~tell odin_ about batfaq | 03:30 |
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| odin_ | AOK, a Dynamic Shared Object, (aka as a DLL in windows world, the libcrypto.so.0.9.7 is a DSO) | 03:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | just for an example | 03:30 |
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| lardman|home | night chaps | 03:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | duh | 03:31 |
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| AOK | OdI installed it and still | 03:31 |
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| AOK | damn | 03:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~tell odin_ about joerg | 03:31 |
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| * odin_ wonders what he is meant to be learning | 03:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | you may learn factoids of infobot aren't bound to #cannels | 03:33 |
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| pronto | timeless_mbp: 1:5.1p1-2maemo6 | 03:33 |
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| odin_ | so what is infobot good for there, if 100 other channels share it ? | 03:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | infobot: status | 03:34 |
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| infobot | Since Tue Jan 19 04:49:42 2010, there have been 2 modifications, 55 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 34 commands. I have been awake for 20h 45m 16s this session, and currently reference 116750 factoids. I'm using about 18972 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1919.25/65.77 child 0.27/0.11 | 03:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | with 100k factoids, it shouldn't be that bad | 03:35 |
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| odin_ | but like about 5 maemo facts? | 03:36 |
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| * timeless_mbp frowns | 03:36 |
| odin_ | infobot how many factiods do you have from #maemo ? | 03:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | Proteous_: try enabling extras | 03:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | (maemo.org?) | 03:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | see which version of openssh server you're offered | 03:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | Proteous_: the goal here is to install one version (old) of openssh-server | 03:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | then enable another repository | 03:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | and use the 'updates' view | 03:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | it should offer an update for openssh-server | 03:38 |
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| pronto | i assume you mean me? | 03:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | yes | 03:38 |
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| pronto | tab fail :p | 03:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | sorry, it's past 3am | 03:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | past 2 here | 03:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | night fellas | 03:39 |
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| pronto | the maemo.org has the same version 1:5.1p1-6maemo1 | 03:39 |
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| pronto | err 5( | 03:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: afaik, tools, testing and maemo.org have different versions | 03:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | unless ham is lying to me in some really annoying way | 03:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: i'm not picky on the package | 03:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | so if you can find something else where you can leverage this, otherwise i'll just setup a pair of repos for testing | 03:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | basically, this is https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5309 take 2 | 03:41 |
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| povbot` | Bug 5309: Don't show "Update All" if no updates are available | 03:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | in take one, 'update all' is always available (or something very close to always) | 03:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | in take 2, it's available after you use 'update all' (but before you go 'back') | 03:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | but ... you need to be awake to test this :( | 03:42 |
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| pronto | it updates when i edit the cataglogs | 03:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | that's a different 'update' | 03:43 |
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| pronto | when catalog is fremantol tools: for oppenssh server, Available version is 1:5.1p1-2maemo6 | 03:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | that's 'update repository information' instead of 'update installed packages on device' | 03:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, so there is a difference? | 03:44 |
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| pronto | when the normal repos i have are enabled, openssh server has 1:5.1p1-6.maemo5 | 03:47 |
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| * GeneralAntilles needs to empty a drive to install Windows 7 on. . . . | 03:47 |
| woglinde | hm I should go now to sleep I think | 03:47 |
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| pronto | catalong maemo.org | 03:47 |
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| woglinde | GeneralAntilles why? | 03:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | woglinde, because I have a Mac Pro and I can. :D | 03:47 |
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| woglinde | lol | 03:47 |
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| pronto | timeless_mbp: yeah, sorry for the confusion | 03:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | no problem | 03:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | woglinde, I might get back into PC gaming a bit. | 03:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | ham lied to me | 03:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | it doesn't show the '1:' | 03:48 |
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| woglinde | GeneralAntilles ah thats a good reason | 03:48 |
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| pronto | heh, well that shows under details | 03:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: ok, so, enable tools, update all | 03:48 |
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| pronto | when you client install, details | 03:48 |
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| pronto | click* | 03:48 |
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| pronto | man i get odd typos | 03:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | yeah yeah | 03:48 |
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| pronto | when the tools repo is on, do i have to disable the other repos? | 03:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | please | 03:49 |
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| pronto | clicked the update icon with the tools repo only on | 03:51 |
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| matthew- | Hey | 03:52 |
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| pronto | when i click the "update all" it says ready to install updates, memory req'd 0kB | 03:52 |
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| matthew- | I downloaded maps for ovi | 03:52 |
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| nomis | oh wow. hildon.NOTE_TYPE_PROGRESSBAR is totally broken. | 03:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: ok | 03:52 |
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| matthew- | and now ive got a problem | 03:52 |
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| matthew- | as all those tracks lke 'turn left' bla bla bla | 03:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | after it installs, tap the title area | 03:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | you should see 'update all' in the menu | 03:53 |
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| matthew- | are in my player :< | 03:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | use ctrl-shift-p to take a picture | 03:53 |
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| odin_ | interesting stuff in 'dmesg': UBI: number of bad PEBs: 2, UBI: max/mean erase counter: 39/10 | 03:53 |
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| pronto | yeah update all is there | 03:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: wanna file a bug? :) | 03:54 |
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| pronto | not quite sure what the bug is, but if you need me to i'll get you that screen | 03:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: well, is there anything to update? :) | 03:55 |
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| pronto | two things | 03:55 |
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| pronto | that didnt work | 03:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | ?! | 03:55 |
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| pronto | "personal-menu" and "sdlquike-mmc1" | 03:56 |
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| pronto | both of the updates say 0 kB though | 03:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm, confused | 03:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | i was hoping you'd use update all to update all (hopefully) 1 items in the list | 03:56 |
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| pronto | that personal-menu has always said 0 kB update and never worked | 03:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | i'd suggest uninstalling it | 03:57 |
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| pronto | heh | 03:57 |
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| matthew- | thanks for help... | 03:57 |
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| matthew- | not | 03:57 |
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| matthew- | ;] | 03:57 |
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| matthew- | also, where is the maemo.org theme? | 03:58 |
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| matthew- | as it's not in 'themes' | 03:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | try graphics? | 03:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | it's in Desktop | 03:59 |
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| shinkamui | koffice was reeased? | 03:59 |
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| shinkamui | where the heck was I | 03:59 |
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| pronto | timeless_mbp: removed, now only with the tools repo on, the update area says no updates alvaible , and there is no "update all" | 03:59 |
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| shinkamui | been waiting for that, though abiword has kept me happy for the last day or so | 03:59 |
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| shinkamui | :) | 03:59 |
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| matthew- | timeless_mbp: what desktop? | 04:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | matthew-: did you install maemo-org or were you looking for it? | 04:00 |
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| matthew- | i did install it | 04:00 |
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| matthew- | thou cant find a way to activate it | 04:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | go to the desktop | 04:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | tap the desktop | 04:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | tap the title area | 04:01 |
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| matthew- | yeah | 04:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | tap themes or something | 04:01 |
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| shinkamui | I keep seeing the koffice referenced as a "viewer". does this mean the maemo 5 version doesn't edit documents? | 04:01 |
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| shinkamui | anyone use it yet | 04:01 |
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| matthew- | timeless_mbp: it is _not_ in themes :) | 04:01 |
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| shinkamui | really curious about how snappy it is or isnt | 04:01 |
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| pronto | shinkamui: when i noticed it said viewer, i didnt bother | 04:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | matthew-: it is for me | 04:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: ok, enable the other repo that had the newer version | 04:02 |
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| shinkamui | pronto, I thought so too, but in the article they say you can copy and paste from AND to it | 04:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | go to updates | 04:02 |
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| shinkamui | that indicates that it should be an editor | 04:02 |
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| shinkamui | I was thinking maybe some parts are view only, like presentation | 04:02 |
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| pronto | enable myother repos, and disable tools? | 04:02 |
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| matthew- | How can I delete themes? | 04:02 |
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| shinkamui | hoping someone had actually tried it, Ill just install it as soon as my battery recharges | 04:02 |
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| shinkamui | long freeking day, I was dead by 4:30 | 04:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | sure | 04:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: although, for simplicity, i'd prefer if you only enabled *one* other repo | 04:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | e.g. maemo.org | 04:03 |
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| * timeless_mbp has had a couple of bugs filed about the same stupid crash | 04:05 |
| timeless_mbp | in about 24 hours | 04:05 |
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| matthew- | timeless_mbp: ur on a macbook pro? | 04:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | ayup | 04:05 |
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| matthew- | any way of synching mac and n900 yet? | 04:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | but my users are lusers running various flavors of linux | 04:05 |
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| matthew- | apart from using google? | 04:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | matthew-: i use MfE | 04:05 |
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| matthew- | ah ok | 04:05 |
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| pronto | timeless_mbp with only the maemo.org repo, there are no updatse alvible | 04:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: add testing? | 04:06 |
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| pronto | is that another repo , or? | 04:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | yes | 04:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: any repo that has the newer version will do | 04:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | i just don't want 20 repos enabled :) | 04:07 |
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| pronto | repos i have are the defualt nokia, ovi, maemo, my-maemo, applications, extras, maemo extras, maemo extras-devel, fremantle tools ,, atm only maemo.org is on | 04:07 |
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| matthew- | How to delete themes? | 04:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | is maemo.org different from maemo extras? | 04:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | matthew-: themes should be packages | 04:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | so you'd use add/remove | 04:08 |
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| matthew- | they're not in there. | 04:08 |
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| pronto | thats respo....maemo/extras | 04:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | matthew-: i presume you're using English (US? UK?) | 04:08 |
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| matthew- | yes | 04:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | pronto: anyway, enable whichever repo you like | 04:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | pronto, kill my-maemo. | 04:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | pronto, it's evil. | 04:10 |
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| pronto | oh? | 04:10 |
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| pronto | how is it evil? | 04:11 |
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| AOK | so now another problem :-( | 04:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | pronto, it's a broken, outdated mirror of maemo.org stuff. | 04:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | pronto, evil. | 04:11 |
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| pronto | oh | 04:11 |
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| pronto | heh | 04:11 |
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| AOK | "cp /hamachi/hamachi /usr/bin/hamachi" | 04:11 |
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| AOK | "cp /hamachi/tuncfg /sbin/tuncfg" | 04:11 |
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| AOK | on the second one it says no "omitting directory" | 04:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | cp -r ? | 04:12 |
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| AOK | Is not a directory error | 04:12 |
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| matthew- | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39791 | 04:12 |
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| matthew- | ive got this | 04:12 |
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| matthew- | and how can i remove it? | 04:13 |
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| pupnik | shinkamui: pulseaudio doesn't use cpu unless something is playing audio | 04:13 |
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| AOK | cp - r /hamachi/tuncfg /sbin/tuncfg" | 04:14 |
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| AOK | says | 04:14 |
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| AOK | .. /sbin/tuncfg/tuncfg is not a directory | 04:15 |
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| AOK | timeless_mbp: any ideas? | 04:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | ls -l /sbin/tuncfg | 04:15 |
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| AOK | yep there are the three files inside | 04:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | ls -ld /sbin/tuncfg | 04:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | ls -ld /hamachi/tuncfg | 04:17 |
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| AOK | good | 04:18 |
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| AOK | the actual problem is another one as it seems | 04:18 |
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| AOK | since those are there | 04:18 |
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| AOK | there is no hamachi-init | 04:18 |
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| AOK | in the package | 04:18 |
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| AOK | :-( | 04:18 |
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| pupnik | "More recently, a law is proposed in Italy that requires Internet users to apply for and receive authorization from the Communications Ministry to upload video to Internet sites." | 04:22 |
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| pronto | i'm tempted to make a ducttape case for my n900 | 04:22 |
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| microlith | anyone know how to gethe terminal font size smaller than 6pt? | 04:22 |
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| pupnik | wow, apt nickname | 04:23 |
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| pronto | microlith: holy hell do you have mircoscope eyes? | 04:23 |
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| pronto | my font for the maemo terminal is 16 :| | 04:23 |
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| microlith | no, the problem is that font size in the maemo terminal is much, much bigger than what is shown in the terminal dialog | 04:23 |
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| microlith | a font size of 10 is enormous | 04:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | microlith, yeah, X DPI is set to 96. :\ | 04:24 |
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| microlith | o_O | 04:24 |
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| microlith | that's... less than half of the actual dpi... | 04:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, lot less than half | 04:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ~265 or so, I think? | 04:25 |
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| ShadowJK | use the zoom buttons | 04:25 |
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| microlith | zoom buttons? | 04:25 |
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| microlith | OH | 04:25 |
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| ShadowJK | the rocker switch on top left | 04:25 |
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| microlith | thank you | 04:26 |
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| * microlith rolls the font size down | 04:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, remember the DPI | 04:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ? | 04:27 |
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| ShadowJK | so are you using minimum now? :) | 04:27 |
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| * GeneralAntilles doesn't feel like calculating it at the moment. | 04:27 |
| ShadowJK | more like 300 on n900 isn't it | 04:27 |
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| microlith | ShadowJK: no, the font size now matches the font dialog, and it's slightly higher than it was | 04:27 |
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| microlith | overall though, smaller | 04:27 |
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| * ShadowJK can see pixels on n810 but not n900 :/ | 04:27 |
| ShadowJK | I think I need glasses now | 04:28 |
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| AOK | Soo | 04:28 |
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| AOK | I have a symlink from hamachi to hamachi-init | 04:28 |
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| AOK | but then cant start it | 04:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Dunno 15:9 ratio, 3.5", 800x480 | 04:28 |
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| pupnik | incredible dpi. something like 10 pixels per millimeter | 04:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, I love having a device that I can't readily see the pixels on. | 04:28 |
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| AOK | it says it can't find it | 04:29 |
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| AOK | Any idea why? | 04:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | !math(15^2+9^2) | 04:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah - 266dpi | 04:31 |
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| ShadowJK | "point" is a measure of physical size, not pixel size. And since n900 fakes the dpi, you het a much much smaller font size than the correct size when asking for 10pt font | 04:31 |
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| ShadowJK | s/het/get/ | 04:31 |
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| infobot | ShadowJK meant: "point" is a measure of physical size, not pixel size. And since n900 fakes the dpi, you get a much much smaller font size than the correct size when asking for 10pt font | 04:31 |
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| * SpeedEvil ponders a USB hot-metal type machine | 04:31 |
| odin_ | a point is 1/72 of an inch ? | 04:32 |
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| AOK | how do I edit with VI? | 04:32 |
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| * timeless_mbp sighs | 04:33 |
| * timeless_mbp kicks MfE | 04:33 |
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| odin_ | press ESCAPE then type ":q!" to exit (and find a text editor you can use) | 04:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | they're trying to fit way too much text into way too narrow of a field | 04:33 |
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| AOK | Sooo. :-) | 04:42 |
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| AOK | I edit it with the commander under root | 04:42 |
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| AOK | it worked | 04:42 |
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| AOK | so | 04:42 |
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| AOK | the problem is now | 04:42 |
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| arpwatch | Anyone else unable to stream radio on the n900 after the update? I searched on the forums but didn't find anything definite. | 04:42 |
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| AOK | ... /bin/sh: Tuncfg: Permission denied | 04:43 |
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| AOK | I have to start tunecfg before everything else | 04:43 |
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| AOK | :-) | 04:43 |
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| AOK | any ideas | 04:43 |
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| AOK | any ideas? | 04:44 |
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| AOK | Guys PLS | 04:44 |
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| AOK | odin_: | 04:44 |
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| AOK | timeless_mbp: | 04:45 |
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| AOK | ? | 04:45 |
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| AOK | You are my saviours so far | 04:45 |
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| AOK | thansk to you I did great progress | 04:45 |
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| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 04:46 |
| * timeless_mbp doesn't really care | 04:46 |
| timeless_mbp | it's ~5am | 04:46 |
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| AOK | OK | 04:47 |
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| AOK | Get it | 04:47 |
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| dotblank | So as soon as it becomes 12:00 Eastern im going to buy the n900. Anyone regret buying it or have serious issues or know something I should know? | 04:48 |
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| adalal | how do you play m4b files on an n900? | 04:48 |
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| dotblank | I heard the range on the radio transmitter is fairly limited and it very depeneding on your local | 04:51 |
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| smps | dotblank, gps does not work well without a-gps | 04:51 |
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| smps | dotblank, range is ok (imho) | 04:51 |
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| pupnik | why are you considering buying one, dotblank | 04:51 |
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| smps | dotblank, 88 - 107.9 | 04:51 |
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| dotblank | smps, how is the actual phone part | 04:51 |
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| smps | dotblank, ? | 04:52 |
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| adalal | dotblank: you dont need any range higher for the radio transmitter lol | 04:52 |
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| dotblank | Can you put the n900 in speaker and have it play over FM? | 04:52 |
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| pupnik | i can't get a clean signal unless the n900 is immediately next to the radio | 04:52 |
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| pupnik | i am in a very FM-dense region though | 04:52 |
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| dotblank | It just seems to be a hit or miss for most people | 04:53 |
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| pupnik | dotblank: not knowing anything about you, it is not possible to give advice | 04:53 |
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| smps | dotblank, i use it only in my car and its working just fine for me (but my n900 sits 15 cm from radio tho) | 04:53 |
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| dotblank | but yea im buying it mainly because it seems really easy to develop for. (GTK and python) | 04:54 |
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| smps | btw. todays hit news : http://twitter.com/billgates | 04:54 |
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| pupnik | if you use linux, the n900 is like a thinkpad in your pocket | 04:54 |
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| smps | yes i like it when i can log into server and quickly change something or check something from xterm on n900 | 04:55 |
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| dotblank | ok me Im a big linux user. I also mess around with nearly all of the application ported thus far. Im a guy that likes to look at the inner workings of a device. | 04:55 |
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| smps | i only miss ipsec/l2tp | 04:55 |
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| pupnik | i think you'll love it. the phone is missing some functions i need, but they are fixing that | 04:55 |
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| dotblank | BTW any of you tried setting up a network sink for PA over wifi on the device yet? | 04:55 |
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| smps | "network sink for pa" ? | 04:56 |
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| dotblank | pulseaudio | 04:56 |
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| pupnik | networked audio | 04:56 |
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| smps | nope | 04:56 |
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| dotblank | like if my home stereo system has a discoverable network server | 04:57 |
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| dotblank | if it is a full fledged pulseaudio it should work right? | 04:57 |
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| dotblank | network sound server | 04:57 |
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| dotblank | * | 04:57 |
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| smps | dont know never messing with audio | 04:58 |
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| pupnik | shouldn't be too hard - i did streaming audio with 770 for a test | 04:59 |
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| dotblank | also does the phone have the module module-ladspa-sink? cause if I take that and combine it with AutoTalent(http://web.mit.edu/tbaran/www/autotalent.html) in theory I should be able to AutoTune my voice calls.. which would be very very cool (imho) | 05:00 |
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| dotblank | I could sing "im on a boat" with uncanny precision | 05:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | wow | 05:03 |
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| * timeless_mbp finds shiny | 05:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | dotblank, lol, awesome. | 05:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | Add a backing drum-track too. | 05:04 |
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| dotblank | you could also add simple effects and filter out static and such | 05:04 |
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| dotblank | Also very possible to EQ your media | 05:05 |
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| dotblank | You could make your voice sound like god and other nifty tricks | 05:06 |
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| dotblank | Ive been saving up a lot of ideas to test on this phone | 05:07 |
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| arpwatch | what would be cool is running autotalent realtime and speaking to people like t-pain or cher with the n900. | 05:09 |
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| arpwatch | That is the path I want to see it take. | 05:09 |
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| dotblank | I also would like to try and take FUPPES (http://fuppes.ulrich-voelkel.de/) so that if I go over to a friends place and he/she has an xbox/ps3/whatever I would be able to spoof a upnp Windows Media Player and thus allow them to play stuff off my phone without any wires | 05:10 |
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| dotblank | on the console | 05:10 |
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| arpwatch | dang you're full of interesting links | 05:11 |
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| dotblank | I have several other ideas but I cant remember them right now | 05:11 |
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| dotblank | also that aircrack-ng looks very promising. | 05:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | dotblank: have anyone in your contacts list with an annoyingly high voice? | 05:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | tune it down on a per-contact basis | 05:17 |
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| dotblank | So yea im thinking I might actually get it. | 05:17 |
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| dotblank | Ive been wanting this phone for 3 months | 05:17 |
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| dotblank | SpeedEvil, Thats great | 05:17 |
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| dotblank | "Um hold on a sec dude, I gotta make your voice less gay... Ok much better" | 05:18 |
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| smps | lol | 05:18 |
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| dotblank | "you would make a great darth vader" | 05:18 |
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| dotblank | Whoa i just thought of something... Lets say you have a projector and have it connected via TV-out cable. and someone is standing in front of the projection screen with the n900 filming you. The n900 creates a dynamic chromo key and then (basically) green screens you. But this would look alot nicer because instead of a greanscreen you could have a dynamic pattern | 05:22 |
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| dotblank | Actually it have better applications in augmented reality | 05:26 |
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| dotblank | would* | 05:26 |
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| dotblank | But yea I like the fact this phone has pulse... there so much you can do with that | 05:28 |
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| dotblank | would be better with jack but oh well | 05:29 |
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| arpwatch | i don't get the green screen thing...you want to project the background and film at the same time with the n900? | 05:30 |
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| dotblank | yea but because your doing both you can genereate a pattern that the n900 expects to see.. | 05:31 |
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| dotblank | from that you can draw 3d objects in the video with proper size and everything | 05:32 |
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| arpwatch | ok. that would be really neat. | 05:32 |
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| dotblank | you could also make a really crude 3d scanner | 05:33 |
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| uhsf | the "3d" seems overstatement here | 05:34 |
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| dotblank | not really you can do this with a sheet of paper | 05:35 |
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| dotblank | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBMZGYx179E | 05:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm | 05:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | Catorize is interesting | 05:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: um | 05:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | catorize is problematic | 05:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, it's awesome! | 05:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: have you tried it with enus1? | 05:38 |
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| dotblank | Catorize? | 05:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | it doesn't wrap long category names | 05:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, you mean the fact that h-d doesn't wrap? | 05:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah. | 05:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I dunno if anybody opened a bug yet. | 05:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | i'm about to | 05:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | On Hildon Desktop, please. | 05:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | not catorize? | 05:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Catorize just shuffles the .desktop files and such around | 05:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | ah | 05:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It doesn't have any control over how Hildon Desktop displays stuff. | 05:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, you know what I mean. | 05:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | btw, Maep rocks | 05:57 |
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| goodwill | timeless_mbp: catorise is still miles better then the default display | 05:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | goodwill: oh, i'm not arguing that | 05:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Maybe we can get this in for PR1.2. | 06:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Somebody poke konttori. | 06:00 |
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| goodwill | timeless_mbp: is it even possible to get hildon desktop to wrap? | 06:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | goodwill: i wouldn't know :) | 06:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and somebody else con Jaffa into writing a patch. | 06:00 |
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| goodwill | timeless_mbp: I check Pidgin Internet Messenger ... and apparent hildon cuts off strings | 06:02 |
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| goodwill | timeless_mbp: I tested it ... and hildon won't wrap even when you force line break with \n | 06:03 |
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| goodwill | angry birds is really fun | 06:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | does zootube not support hiding the progress bar? | 06:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | this is annoying | 06:15 |
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| Tester | goodwill: why use pidgin ? you can install "extras pidgin plugins" for the built-in ui... | 06:16 |
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| goodwill | Tester: OTR | 06:16 |
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| Tester | ah | 06:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | ? | 06:16 |
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| Proteous | stupid +R | 06:17 |
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| goodwill | timeless: its an encryption plugin | 06:17 |
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| ShadowJK | timeless_mbp: do you never sleep? :-) | 06:17 |
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| pupnik | people just don't drink enough coffee | 06:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, hides here. | 06:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, try tapping or something? | 06:22 |
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| pupnik | see how fast uae runs GeneralAntilles ? | 06:22 |
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| greenfly | I'm hoping for otr support in the default IM client myself, but I'm glad at least pidgin supports it for now | 06:28 |
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| Tester | we're doing a new telepathy api for crypto, but its not goign ot make it into any officiel fremantle release | 06:30 |
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| greenfly | ahhh ok | 06:31 |
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| dotblank | Ok im about to buy it online... any recomendations on where to get it from? | 06:52 |
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| tank-man | amazon? | 06:53 |
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| Smily | right then, anyone knows if it's possible to delete a whole calendar? | 06:56 |
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| greenfly | dotblank: sometimes dell.com has a coupon that gives a good discount | 06:59 |
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| dotblank | it ended just a few days + that has tax | 07:00 |
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| Smily | ohh found it | 07:04 |
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| dotblank | Well.. I will get my N900 in the mail | 07:07 |
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| dotblank | I cant wait | 07:07 |
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| dotblank | these next days are going to suck | 07:08 |
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| dotblank | few* | 07:08 |
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| pupnik | be thankful you live somewhere where the mail gets delivered reliably. | 07:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, that's not a thing. | 07:11 |
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| pupnik | ? | 07:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There's no such place. ;) | 07:11 |
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| pupnik | eh ok. | 07:12 |
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| dotblank | Hes serious I think | 07:13 |
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| dotblank | Ive got my sim card waiting to be put into the phone | 07:13 |
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| dotblank | all it has to do is get here | 07:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | pupnik is always serious. | 07:14 |
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| pupnik | it's just so pretty to see the blinkenlights running !~60fps | 07:18 |
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| pupnik | for some reason that's what motivates me | 07:18 |
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| pronto | O_o the media player added a whole bunch of stuff i didnt want it to, like random ring tones | 07:33 |
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| pupnik | it comes with the OS | 07:33 |
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| pronto | not that stuff, crap from a mirco sd card i have | 07:34 |
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| ml-mobile | bleh | 07:35 |
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| pupnik | pronto: you can disable it from scanning your microSD | 07:37 |
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| pronto | is there a way just to have it scan a list of folders? , like on the device istself i want it to scan /path/to/music , and on the mircoSD i want it to only scan a single folder | 07:38 |
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| pronto | not disable it 100% | 07:38 |
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| derf | pupnik: How do you disable it? | 07:38 |
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| pupnik | nope, i don't remember. this might be interesting -- cat /home/user/.config/user-dirs.dirs | 07:40 |
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| pronto | looks like to disable the mircoSD from tracker all togeather its under .config/tracker/tracker.cfg | 07:44 |
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| goodwill | according to apt-get update fremantle extras and tools repos have an incorrect gpg signature | 07:45 |
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| goodwill | anyone knows why? | 07:45 |
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| pronto | IndexRemovableMedia=true is default | 07:45 |
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| pronto | hrm looks like i could add the mirco SD to no watch, and then add a watch to a certain path i wanted on the SD card | 07:46 |
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| pupnik | same problem here goodwill | 07:46 |
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| pupnik | BADSIG E40DC434616730BD | 07:47 |
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| goodwill | yup | 07:47 |
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| pupnik | i tend to copy downloaded debs from /var/cache/apt/archives to ~/MyDocs/debs so i can reinstall if needed | 07:48 |
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| pupnik | morning Rhoruns | 07:53 |
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| pupnik | RST38h: | 07:53 |
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| Rhoruns | :) | 07:53 |
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| RST38h | heya pupnik | 07:55 |
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| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/uae_n900.avi that cyclone 68k core is nice | 07:56 |
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| pupnik | ok .. audio.cpp and a fresh pot of coffee | 07:59 |
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| RST38h | and yes, cyclone is the right path to go | 08:04 |
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| pupnik | but it's fun | 08:11 |
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| KamuiN900 | suxorz. koffice on n900 is a viewer only atm | 08:30 |
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| RST38h | yep | 08:37 |
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| RST38h | And I had to uninstall koffice anyway. Very very slow. | 08:37 |
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| RST38h | --= never again =-- | 08:46 |
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| pupnik | need to adjust sensitivity and use a light touch | 08:47 |
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| RST38h | well, the rubber condom has worn off, and so has a large patch of my skin =) | 08:48 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: ever though of using pico? =) | 08:55 |
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| pupnik | no vi is faster | 08:56 |
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| redeen900 | i have a minor problem, my onscreen keyboard has disappeared after a reboot | 08:57 |
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| redeen900 | it is enabled in settings | 08:58 |
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| sivang | morning dear community! | 08:58 |
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| Milo- | dearling more community | 08:59 |
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| sivang | Has anyone managed to use the so called 5mega pixel camera and produce good quality photos with the N900 ? | 08:59 |
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| thomaz | simeoni, try macro mode | 08:59 |
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| ifreq | sivang: yes @outside on good lightning ive done some medium pics | 08:59 |
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| sivang | I strongly start to question if it is a really 5mp camera. It produces photos like a 90's poor 640x480 camera | 09:00 |
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| Milo- | medium != good | 09:00 |
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| sivang | which is *highly* disappointing | 09:00 |
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| sivang | s/camera/webcam/ | 09:00 |
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| sivang | sorry about the harsh words :) | 09:00 |
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| thomaz | sivang, it doesn't mean the picture is good, it means the picture is big | 09:00 |
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| ifreq | idd.. | 09:00 |
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| slonopotamus | thomaz, :D | 09:00 |
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| sivang | ah , right | 09:00 |
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| sivang | what about Carl Zeiss | 09:00 |
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| ifreq | optics | 09:00 |
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| sivang | and other markeing talk | 09:01 |
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| ifreq | so its big and it has good lens. dunno bout the picture processor | 09:01 |
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| redeen900 | any ideas on how to fix my osk? | 09:01 |
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| sivang | okay , thanks | 09:01 |
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| Milo- | carl zeiss doesn't exist | 09:01 |
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| Milo- | he is a fictional character | 09:01 |
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| thomaz | sivang, i took some pictures today, let me show you | 09:01 |
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| thomaz | ok, i give up... chromium crashed 3 times while trying to upload the picture | 09:04 |
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| Milo- | sshfs <3 | 09:05 |
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| sivang | thomaz: please do | 09:05 |
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| Milo- | and scp <3 | 09:05 |
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| thomaz | hold on | 09:05 |
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| thomaz | i think i got it with drag n drop | 09:05 |
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| thomaz | gtk is seriously messed up | 09:05 |
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| ifreq | anyone know is there a ovi suite for osc? | 09:06 |
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| ifreq | osx* | 09:06 |
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| jkimball4 | what's osx? | 09:06 |
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| thomaz | sivang, http://bayimg.com/image/bajnbaacm.jpg | 09:07 |
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| thomaz | terrible quality | 09:07 |
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| ruskie | hmm odd... openvpn-applet got lost | 09:07 |
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| ruskie | thomaz, hmm did you enable 5MP mode | 09:08 |
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| ruskie | it was by default 3.5MP here | 09:08 |
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| sivang | thomaz: this is unreal | 09:08 |
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| thomaz | no | 09:08 |
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| sivang | ruskie: I have | 09:08 |
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| thomaz | i used default widescreen mode | 09:08 |
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| sivang | ruskie: and I treid in less pixel mode to try make it better | 09:08 |
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| sivang | we have to do something about it | 09:08 |
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| ifreq | yeah write some filters | 09:08 |
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| ifreq | buy a decent pocket cam | 09:08 |
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| ifreq | etc | 09:09 |
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| sivang | my iPhoner friends are starting to make jokes of me trying to evengalize the phone to them :) | 09:09 |
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| sivang | ifreq: are you suggesting that this is a software issue ? | 09:09 |
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| ifreq | nope not saying a word. | 09:09 |
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| ifreq | as im not quite interested of the cam feature | 09:09 |
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| sivang | ifreq: ah, okay | 09:09 |
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| sivang | ifreq: for most of the users it will be of interest | 09:10 |
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| ifreq | well i can take pics to share on social networks | 09:10 |
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| ifreq | its decent for that | 09:10 |
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| sivang | (the non developers users, and I can't possibly assume that NOkia targets this device to developers only) | 09:10 |
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| ifreq | as i dont hafty share them 5MP size | 09:10 |
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| KamuiN900 | slot, looks it for sure | 09:10 |
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| KamuiN900 | slot: autocomplete fail | 09:10 |
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| KamuiN900 | sigh... | 09:10 |
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| KamuiN900 | no tab no char | 09:11 |
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| KamuiN900 | slot: test | 09:11 |
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| KamuiN900 | and fail because im stupid | 09:12 |
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| thomaz | ruskie, do you think 5mp mode will give me a better picture? | 09:12 |
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| KamuiN900 | slonopotamus: | 09:12 |
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| KamuiN900 | no such luck. definately read only | 09:12 |
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| ruskie | thomaz, well unless the software/hardware does anything special with the extra MPs it probably will a bit | 09:16 |
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| thomaz | sivang, does the iphone cam take good pictures? | 09:16 |
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| ruskie | I don't have atm any good light to take a pic | 09:17 |
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| redeen900 | its far worse than the n900 cam | 09:17 |
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| redeen900 | someti | 09:17 |
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| redeen900 | sometimes the n900 cam does great pics | 09:17 |
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| thomaz | i think it's a matter of practice | 09:18 |
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| thomaz | i've seen good pictures with the n900 | 09:18 |
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| ruskie | well you do have the half press for focus... which a lot of people seem to miss | 09:18 |
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| ruskie | or don't even know about it | 09:19 |
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| ruskie | etc... | 09:19 |
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| thresh | well, when the sun is shining, it really does | 09:19 |
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| thresh | like http://www.flickr.com/photos/thresh/4245016955/ | 09:20 |
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| ruskie | http://ruskie.codemages.net/caches/20081120032.jpg <-- N95, N900 --> http://ruskie.codemages.net/caches/20091031010.jpg | 09:20 |
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| ruskie | of course hard to compare since one is outside the other inside | 09:20 |
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| ruskie | and the one inside I believe was at 3.5 | 09:21 |
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| ruskie | before I found out it actually defaults to 3.5 | 09:21 |
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| ruskie | anyway for the most part I only need the large detail in the pics I take with the N900 | 09:22 |
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| ruskie | if I want to actually get some decent shots I'll grab my DSLR | 09:22 |
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| thomaz | ruskie, thanks for the half press focus, i didn't know that | 09:23 |
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| ifreq | heres with 5MP on good lightning: http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/1671/cf72610a4f4d486095b9b1fc5440681d.jpg | 09:24 |
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| ifreq | thought its been resized with the ovi service :P | 09:24 |
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| thresh | now why did i open vacation photos, i want to go to mountains again | 09:25 |
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| sivang | thomaz: yes, I have a friend who likes to show them off when I tell him he can't see flash :-) | 09:26 |
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| redeen900 | anyone that can help me get the onscreen keyboard back? it is enables in settings | 09:27 |
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| pupnik | http://www.tigert.com/2009/10/18/photojourney-with-n900/ more nice n900 pics | 09:27 |
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| sivang | ruskie: you in russia ? | 09:27 |
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| sivang | ruskie: that photo you sent seems to have HUngarian writing | 09:28 |
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| sivang | redeen900: how do you try to bring it on? | 09:28 |
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| redeen900 | sivang: like i always did, press in an input field | 09:28 |
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| thomaz | here's the magic of half press focus... before >> http://bayimg.com/image/cajnhaacm.jpg and after >> http://bayimg.com/image/cajnjaacm.jpg | 09:28 |
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| sivang | redeen900: and the physical kbd is closed ? | 09:28 |
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| redeen900 | it stopped working after a reboot | 09:29 |
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| redeen900 | yes yes | 09:29 |
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| ruskie | sivang, no | 09:29 |
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| thresh | sivang: i am in Russia | 09:29 |
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| sivang | redeen900: hmm, at certain input fields it takes more time or more cliks from my experience | 09:29 |
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| redeen900 | sivang: i have used the phoene before, the keyboard never appears now | 09:30 |
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| sivang | ruskie: ah, okay | 09:30 |
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| ruskie | sivang, and where the h... do you see any hungarian writting on that??? | 09:32 |
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| thresh | yeah looks slovenian:) | 09:33 |
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| ruskie | :) | 09:34 |
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| sivang | ruskie: I got confused, too early | 09:36 |
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| sivang | :) | 09:36 |
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| redeen900 | this is really annoying, and ofc it happens on the day i actually need my phone alot | 09:37 |
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| sivang | redeen900: what happens if you re-reboot ? | 09:37 |
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| redeen900 | i already tried that | 09:39 |
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| redeen900 | it changes nothing | 09:39 |
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| sivang | redeen900: backup ? | 09:39 |
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| sivang | redeen900: I always make backups before I install new apps when I first use an N900 | 09:40 |
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| redeen900 | i have not installed anything new | 09:40 |
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| redeen900 | and im not home so i cant reflash, but obviously it should be solvable without that | 09:41 |
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| redeen900 | hello danielwilms | 09:42 |
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| redeen900 | you wouldnt by an off chance happen to know anything about the onscreen keyboard? ;) | 09:43 |
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| redeen900 | gonna try rebooting again | 09:46 |
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| redeen900 | ok i fixed it | 09:51 |
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| sivang | redeen900: how? | 09:51 |
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| redeen900 | 2 sec | 09:51 |
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| redeen900 | i disabled it, restarted, then enabled, and restarted | 09:52 |
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| sivang | has anyone managed to actually connecto to a GPS ? | 10:03 |
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| sivang | since I got the It failed in all the attempts. | 10:03 |
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| adeus | yes | 10:03 |
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| sivang | adeus: I wonder if my phone is just factory damanged | 10:04 |
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| pupnik | sivang: gps with tiny radios is hit-and-miss. n900 is fast with agps. | 10:11 |
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| pupnik | sometimes i just don't get a lock without the cellular connection | 10:12 |
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| pronto | the GPS on the n900 works here, it got me with in feet of where i was a few times (my two HTC phones would get like 100 to 200 feet off at best) | 10:14 |
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| thresh | lucky you | 10:16 |
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| thresh | i never got it to work without data connection :( | 10:16 |
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| pronto | oh w/o data connection?, i havent tried that | 10:16 |
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| thresh | yeah it's an issue when you're in roaming you know :) | 10:16 |
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| pronto | i have an ulimited data plan | 10:16 |
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| pronto | so meh | 10:16 |
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| adeus | unlimited roaming plan | 10:17 |
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| adeus | that sounds good :) | 10:17 |
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| pronto | but now that you say you're trying to get it w/o data connection, how did you get the maps on your device itself? | 10:17 |
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| pronto | because sient it downloading the map data as well? | 10:17 |
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| pronto | isnt* | 10:17 |
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| pronto | never had a roaming issue ever | 10:17 |
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| pronto | since i dont use my phone international , i don't have to worry about roaming | 10:18 |
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| pupnik | pronto: you are using agps, not gps | 10:21 |
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| sivang | pupnik: agps is using a data connection instead of the GPS to do location pointing ? | 10:23 |
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| pupnik | assist | 10:23 |
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| sivang | pupnik: tried it, with Maep, doesn't work | 10:23 |
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| sivang | pupnik: how do you ask Maep to give you directions? | 10:24 |
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| pupnik | ... | 10:24 |
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| pupnik | speak loudly and slowly "maep, where do i go now?" | 10:25 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 10:27 |
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| Stskeeps | sivang: no, AGPS can get a quick fix with celluar stuff, but it also helps kickstart real GPS fixes. | 10:27 |
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| RST38h | Anyone knows if Maep author visits here? | 10:50 |
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| Stskeeps | isn't it till? | 10:51 |
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| guerby | hi, anyone knows the AT command to get SIM phonebook? AT+CPBR=1,10 does not work | 10:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | guerby: addressbook, menu, groups, sim card contacts | 10:57 |
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| guerby | timeless_mbp, yep but not all entries from my previous phone are shown that's why I wanted to check low level | 10:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | interesting | 10:58 |
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| guerby | timeless_mbp, may be I didn't sync properly SIM from my previous phone (Nokia 6086) let me check | 10:59 |
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| guerby | hmm I always feel like I'll break something when opening the N900 | 11:02 |
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| guerby | I wonder how long the small plastic thing will hold | 11:02 |
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| Stskeeps | the slider? | 11:03 |
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| Stskeeps | if it's anything like the n810, practically unbreakable :P | 11:03 |
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| sivang | Stskeeps: I should do some more reading on that wikipedia page then :) | 11:04 |
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| sivang | guerby: does the machine gets AT commands? | 11:04 |
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| sivang | wowa | 11:04 |
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| sivang | it has been a while since I heared that term :) | 11:05 |
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| sivang | reminds me of the BBS days | 11:05 |
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| guerby | Stskeeps, no the battery access | 11:07 |
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| Stskeeps | guerby: ah | 11:07 |
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| guerby | Stskeeps, the keyboard slider is not an issue :) | 11:07 |
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| guerby | Stskeeps, I have a N810 too :) | 11:07 |
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| aep | it isn't? feels like it's quite loose. hard to press down with only one finger, since it tilts | 11:10 |
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| tk421 | i like the way it clicks when i open it | 11:14 |
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| guerby | timeless_mbp, ok I just didn't save all contacts to the SIM in my previous phone | 11:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | user error? | 11:15 |
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| guerby | now I just have some cut names but I guess it's a SIM limitation | 11:15 |
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| guerby | timeless_mbp, yes | 11:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | yes, sim limit | 11:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | why did you use sim for transfer? | 11:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | you should be able to Import via bluetooth | 11:16 |
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| hrw | morgning | 11:20 |
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| guerby | timeless_mbp, yep should have worked as well | 11:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | so, you'll get less dataloss (hopefully none) if you do that | 11:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | could i please get you to try? :) | 11:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | if it doesn't work, then we have a bug which needs to be reported, and if it does, you get better data fidelity :) | 11:27 |
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| guerby | timeless_mbp, it will probably create conflict havoc if I reimport via bluetooth | 11:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | turn off your presence accounts, and delete your contacts (you imported everything from the sim, right?) | 11:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | heck you can create a backup of your contacts using the backup app first :) | 11:29 |
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| flux | is there a command line clipboard manipulation tool for maemo5 around? | 11:34 |
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| adeus | something beyond xterm does? | 11:35 |
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| flux | something like what xclip does | 11:35 |
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| flux | xclip -i < foo -> puts contents of foo into clipboard | 11:36 |
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| alterego | Slight learning curve between N8X0 and N900 | 11:36 |
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| alterego | But it's quite nice. | 11:36 |
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| Stskeeps | gave in, alterego? | 11:36 |
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| alterego | My brother loaned me his (hesitantly) for a few days so I could do some testing. | 11:36 |
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| alterego | I'm going to wait to see if I get anything out of the DDP first | 11:37 |
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| * alterego crosses fingers. | 11:37 |
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| Stskeeps | if you have luck this late in the process, let me know :P | 11:38 |
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| alterego | Stskeeps: I think Quim is negotiating "key members with low karma" devices ;) | 11:39 |
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| alterego | Though, I'll be lucky if I'm perceived as a "key member" tbh | 11:40 |
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| alterego | But I might as well try | 11:40 |
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| Stskeeps | morning andre__ :) | 11:51 |
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| dagb | seeing how this channel is fairly quiet now: anyone who cares to provide real-life experiences on battery consumption on the n900? how often do you need to charge it, and how do you use it? | 11:51 |
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| guerby | hmmm is there a way to copy/paste from a received email? nothing I tried works. I didn't even find a way to save a message as text file | 11:52 |
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| andre__ | ahoj Stskeeps | 11:53 |
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| adeus | guerby, the only way I've figured out is to reply | 11:55 |
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| MohammadAG | guerby, reply then copy from there | 11:55 |
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| adeus | and copy from the box | 11:55 |
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| MohammadAG | heh | 11:55 |
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| guerby | adeus, MohammadAG copy doesn't seem to work when I reply at least with the stylus, did you use keys? | 11:56 |
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| MohammadAG | yes | 11:57 |
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| MohammadAG | shift + cursors | 11:57 |
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| guerby | MohammadAG, ok thanks it works | 11:57 |
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| MohammadAG | np, if only i could get rid of the > | 11:58 |
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| tk421 | anyone heard of something that allows me to use keys to switch between screens? | 11:58 |
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| alterego | tk421: you mean the "virtual home screens"? | 11:59 |
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| tk421 | perhaps | 11:59 |
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| tk421 | like ctrl backspace goes back to the apps running | 11:59 |
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| tk421 | ctrl up and down could take me to desktop and settings | 12:00 |
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| guerby | MohammadAG, timeless_mbp https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5033 | 12:00 |
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| povbot` | Bug 5033: Select/Copy text within email is nonintuitive/broken | 12:00 |
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| guerby | still open so no fix expected | 12:00 |
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| MohammadAG | why isn't povbot working? | 12:01 |
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| MohammadAG | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5033 | 12:01 |
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| povbot` | Bug 5033: Select/Copy text within email is nonintuitive/broken | 12:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | guerby: um, well, yeah, um | 12:01 |
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| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 12:01 |
| * timeless_mbp works on browser | 12:01 |
| timeless_mbp | the mail team is different | 12:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | heck, i don't know where they live! :) | 12:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | i spend more time talking to the MfE team | 12:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | they're much more responsive :) | 12:02 |
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| Robot101 | there should be a modest irc channel somewhere, no? | 12:03 |
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| MohammadAG | #modest maybe? | 12:03 |
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| guerby | timeless_mbp, BTW on browser do you know how to right click? | 12:03 |
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| MohammadAG | hold | 12:03 |
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| MohammadAG | yep #modest but it's kinda empty lol | 12:04 |
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| MohammadAG | only 3 users there | 12:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | guerby: tap and hold | 12:05 |
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| guerby | timeless_mbp, doesn't work on google maps when I activate the "crossed arrow" mode | 12:06 |
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| * fcrozat wishes there was a shortcut to close a fullscreen browser window | 12:06 |
| guerby | don't remember the name in the manual | 12:06 |
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| guerby | to have a regular mouse | 12:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | fcrozat: ctrl-backspace? tap power key? | 12:06 |
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| MohammadAG | guerby, why would you need to right click in arrow mode? | 12:07 |
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| guerby | MohammadAG, to get a context menu in google maps | 12:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | guerby: i get that when in normal mode | 12:07 |
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| MohammadAG | use it in normal mode | 12:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | surely it won't kill you to swap modes | 12:07 |
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| MohammadAG | ^^^ | 12:07 |
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| fcrozat | timeless_mbp: Ctrl-backspace will return me to applications list (so two keys) and requires sliding keyboard. Isn't power key / terminate a little to much to kill the window ? (I haven't tested) | 12:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | fcrozat: yes it | 12:08 |
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| guerby | MohammadAG, in normal mode I get "copy image" menu from browser | 12:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | it's supposed to be 'close active window' not 'kill the app brutally' | 12:08 |
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| guerby | not the context menu from google maps | 12:08 |
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| fcrozat | this is a little problematic when using portrait (unsupported) mode with new windows opened (by google reader for instance) | 12:08 |
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| MohammadAG | fcrozat, download camerad | 12:08 |
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| fcrozat | MohammadAG: still two clicks :) (but I thought about it and it seems it was causing my n900 to become a little unstable) | 12:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | fcrozat: konttori wants to enable the title bar for portrait mode | 12:09 |
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| guerby | timeless_mbp, so normal mode tap and hold doesn't work on google maps to get right click | 12:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | guerby: WFM | 12:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | fcrozat: not sure if we'll manage to get that into the browser too for 1.2 | 12:09 |
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| MohammadAG | i prefer the bug to make the n900 go it portrait mode | 12:09 |
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| MohammadAG | at least you get the title bar | 12:10 |
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| fcrozat | timeless_mbp: that would be good, but it would still requires two clicks (either portrait or landscape) ;) | 12:10 |
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| MohammadAG | and the bottom bar | 12:10 |
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| fcrozat | funny, I can't get star to work in google reader iphone view, in portrait mode | 12:10 |
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| guerby | timeless_mbp, you get the context menu from google when you leave the stylet on a point for a while? | 12:10 |
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| guerby | I wonder what I do wrong | 12:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | guerby: i use my fingernail, but.. | 12:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | about 2s | 12:11 |
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| MohammadAG | be sure to see it highlight before holding | 12:11 |
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| guerby | for me image blurs then I get "copy image" and "save image as" menu | 12:11 |
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| MohammadAG | you might be holding an empty area | 12:11 |
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| fcrozat | timeless_mbp: hmm, using power key, it killed all browser windows :( | 12:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | guerby: you are using 51-1, right? | 12:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | fcrozat: 'oops' ;-) | 12:12 |
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| * fcrozat smells "killall browserd" somewhere :) | 12:12 |
| guerby | timeless_mbp, 2.2009.51-1 | 12:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | fcrozat: nah, that wouldn't work | 12:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | more like killall browser | 12:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | fcrozat: i'll poke someone about that today | 12:13 |
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| fcrozat | is there a "go to top / bottom page" shortcut for browser ? | 12:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | no. | 12:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | but feel free to file a bug saying that 'close active window' isn't doing what it says | 12:13 |
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| fcrozat | kinetic scrolling can be very long sometime :) | 12:14 |
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| * fcrozat opens a bug report for the "close active task" | 12:14 |
| Myrtti | Fun sitting at the lobby, first time on personal business | 12:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | Myrtti: you @nokia? | 12:15 |
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| aep | hm, can you disable kinetic scrolling? | 12:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | aep: no | 12:15 |
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| Myrtti | Yeah | 12:15 |
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| aep | sad | 12:15 |
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| guerby | timeless_mbp, well I don't know what I do wrong but I always get the image menu | 12:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | Myrtti: waiting for a lunch mate? | 12:16 |
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| * timeless_mbp wouldn't mind dropping by to say hello | 12:16 |
| * timeless_mbp is 10mins away | 12:16 |
| Myrtti | I have an appointment of being a guinea pig of some kind :-( | 12:16 |
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| * Stskeeps will have a thursday with first a haircut and then dentist. so lovely. | 12:17 |
| Myrtti | No familiar faces seen yet. Im surprised | 12:18 |
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| Stskeeps | even though longer hair might be nice to stand finnish winter next week | 12:18 |
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| Myrtti | Hair is overrated | 12:19 |
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| fcrozat | filled as bug #8306 | 12:20 |
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| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8306 choosing "stop active task" in power menu kills all browser window | 12:20 |
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| guerby | timeless_mbp, about: says MicroB 3.6 maemo browser 1.5.6 RX-51 N900 | 12:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | guerby: sorry, i just moved aware from 51-1 last night | 12:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | but i know it worked | 12:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | one thing i should ask: | 12:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | have you installed *any* browser related packages? | 12:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | browser user agent changers / forgers | 12:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | browser switchboard | 12:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | adblock/geoloc/greasemonkey/... | 12:22 |
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| frals | Stskeeps: he. also got dentist appointment, next tuesday though. >_< | 12:22 |
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| Stskeeps | frals: i have four wisdom teeth in queue for being taken out, so i hope my dentist doesn't get funny ideas | 12:23 |
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| frals | :D | 12:23 |
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| hrw | timeless_mbp: does future brings something working better? | 12:23 |
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| * fcrozat really needs to find time to remap some dead keys to physical qwerty for french accentuated letters | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: gecko1.9.2 | 12:23 |
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| hrw | timeless_mbp: nice | 12:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | and apparently string changes that i haven't handled | 12:24 |
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| * timeless_mbp grumbles and goes to figure out which way to handle them | 12:24 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: I have 2 of them, locked between others, terribly painful | 12:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | fcrozat: all i want is a way to replace GBP w/ PIPE | 12:25 |
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| sivang | Stskeeps: the proble with the removal is that it damages the jaw structure, and can have side effects at an older age to come. | 12:25 |
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| sivang | hey timeless_mbp | 12:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | hi | 12:26 |
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| Stskeeps | sivang: mine is pushing out another corner teeth which i really don't want to have damaged too badly as i plan to eat steak for many years to come | 12:26 |
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| Stskeeps | :P | 12:26 |
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| fcrozat | timeless_mbp: not a bad idea either :) | 12:26 |
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| fcrozat | should I fill a enhancement request for Ctrl-Up / Ctrl-Down to go top / bottom of web page ? | 12:27 |
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| fcrozat | seems sensible | 12:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | fcrozat: so... | 12:28 |
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| sgbirch | How do you find the EXACT source used to build packages released from extras-testing? | 12:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | up/down don't exist on most keyboards | 12:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | sgbirch: you don't | 12:28 |
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| sgbirch | Id like to look at pwsafe | 12:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | at least, it doesn't really work that way | 12:28 |
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| fcrozat | timeless_mbp: damn.. I forgot | 12:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | for extras, you can find the builder logs | 12:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | and see which packages it pulled in | 12:29 |
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| fcrozat | poor users | 12:29 |
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| X-Fade | sgbirch: apt-get source? | 12:29 |
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| fcrozat | ctrl-left / Ctrl-right then ? (not very pretty) | 12:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | if the package is in 'free' instead of 'non-free', then in general, the sources should be in the repo | 12:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | Error: could not open file for reading, trying lower image quality format!? $@$@$ | 12:30 |
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| * timeless_mbp wtfs | 12:30 |
| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: the source repos dont seem to be set up, apt-get source fails | 12:30 |
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| guerby | MohammadAG, do you get the "direction from here" google menu when you're holding the stylus on one point? | 12:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | sgbirch: yeah well, you have to add them | 12:30 |
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| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: the reason for this .. I want to know if I can trust pwsafe with bank account numberfs | 12:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | /etc/apt.d/sources.list.d/ | 12:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | just add a file | 12:30 |
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| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: was that a typo .. should it be /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ (no .d after apt) | 12:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | yes | 12:32 |
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| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: | 12:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | well, thougho | 12:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | t | 12:32 |
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| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: would "deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing fremantle free non-free" be correct? | 12:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | sounds right | 12:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | don't forget to specify the version you care about when you get source | 12:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | because you want to check the version you're using, not some other one :) | 12:35 |
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| MohammadAG | guerby, lol no, it's not working anymore | 12:35 |
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| guerby | MohammadAG, you get blur then the copy image browser menu? | 12:35 |
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| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: hmm .. I didnt realize you had to do that, what is "the other one" | 12:36 |
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| MohammadAG | the context menu yes | 12:36 |
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| X-Fade | sgbirch: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/pool/fremantle/free/source/ | 12:36 |
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| MohammadAG | in arrow mode it doesn't do anything | 12:36 |
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| X-Fade | sgbirch: You can browse it with your browser too. | 12:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | sgbirch: well, consider that if you install version 1.0 | 12:36 |
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| guerby | MohammadAG, ok so you don't get the google context menu "direction from here" etc... | 12:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | and then 1.1 is added to the repo, and it has a conflict or something | 12:36 |
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| guerby | I wonder what trigger the behaviour | 12:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | if you apt-get source, you'll get 1.1 | 12:36 |
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| sgbirch | The installed version has a 'f' postfix, was not sure why | 12:37 |
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| MohammadAG | nomis, the system context menu | 12:37 |
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| * timeless_mbp frowns | 12:37 |
| timeless_mbp | you guys aren't getting the google maps menu? | 12:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | i got it consistently while using 51-1 | 12:37 |
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| sgbirch | pwsafe 1.5.5f ... | 12:37 |
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| sgbirch | I expected 1.5.5 | 12:37 |
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| red | can u guy see this? | 12:38 |
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| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, in normal/arrow mode? | 12:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | red: no | 12:38 |
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| red | damn, registration didn't work | 12:38 |
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| guerby | timeless_mbp, I've never been able to get the google context menu whatever I do | 12:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | red: if your message is rejected, the irc server will give you an error message | 12:38 |
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| guerby | normal mode arrow mode whatever | 12:38 |
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| MohammadAG | do i have to be zoomed in or something? | 12:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | guerby: i'll have to go find an n900 w/ 51-1 :( | 12:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | but this really does work | 12:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | i was using it for >1month | 12:39 |
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| red | timeless_mbp: it will unless you've hidden most things that show up in status to see relevant stuff easy | 12:39 |
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| guerby | timeless_mbp, do you want me to open a bug? | 12:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | (on 51-1) | 12:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | guerby: no | 12:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | red: well, don't do that =b | 12:39 |
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| red | timeless_mbp: and well, i've disabled some semi-relevant stuff on the side but cba to tweak | 12:39 |
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| guerby | timeless_mbp, uh ok | 12:39 |
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| Hukka | Hey, any debian users around willing to test one thing in pysqlite2? | 12:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | guerby: so, you really don't have any browser addons? | 12:39 |
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| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, it's not working here too | 12:40 |
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| guerby | timeless_mbp, absolutely none (I refrained from installing adblock) | 12:40 |
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| guerby | (to test the browser) | 12:40 |
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| sgbirch | Hukka: would ubuntu be ok? | 12:40 |
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| guerby | timeless_mbp, about:plugins says only "default plug-in" | 12:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | anyway, i'll be in the office w/in about 2hours, i'll hunt for a device and play then | 12:41 |
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| Hukka | sgbirch: No, I'm on ubuntu, and I'd like to test if debian has same kind of problem | 12:41 |
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| sgbirch | Hukka: oh .. ok | 12:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | guerby: there are extensions, hacks, and plugins | 12:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | plugins are unlikely to be interesting | 12:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | extensions and hacks are | 12:41 |
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| guerby | timeless_mbp, let me check | 12:41 |
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| Hukka | sgbirch: There's a bug report that says it's fixed in debian, so I'm wondering if it just hasn't propagated to Ubuntu yet | 12:41 |
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| sgbirch | k | 12:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | tap the title bar, options(settings?), addons, | 12:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | tap the extensions icon | 12:42 |
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| pupnik | dammit cavity | 12:42 |
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| guerby | timeless_mbp, atlas default mediaplayer nokia messagebus shockwave | 12:43 |
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| bionoid | Anyone else experienced a crazy bug on N900 with device lock on and incoming call while playing music? My phone went absolutely nuts, blinking between the unlock screen, answer call screen and black. I managed to hit answer (without unlocking), but music kept blasting and no audio from the caller. | 12:43 |
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| bionoid | I can't seem to reproduce it though :/ | 12:44 |
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| guerby | extensions: single sign on ovi | 12:44 |
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| guerby | timeless_mbp, nothing else | 12:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok | 12:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | anyway, i can't do anything until i get another n900 | 12:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | so it'll take 2 hours | 12:44 |
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| guerby | timeless_mbp, ok no hurry | 12:45 |
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| guerby | I'll be on the road and without 3G until late today | 12:45 |
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| Hukka | Grah, the debian package wants python << 2.6. Why?! | 12:45 |
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| Hukka | Can't just install it to Karmic | 12:45 |
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| nomis | eh. | 12:48 |
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| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: still trying to add the source repo, it complains that public key isnt available: 667387BFFF445C24 | 12:51 |
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| timeless_mbp | do you care? | 12:51 |
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| timeless_mbp | if you do, ask a wiki and decide if you trust the wiki | 12:51 |
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| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 12:51 |
| timeless_mbp | you're being paranoid in a way which is going to fail anyway | 12:52 |
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| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: yes ... its part paranoid but mainly learning curve. I want to learn more about the way the n900 source is stored. | 12:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | "in hidden repositories between a build system which is entirely illogical" | 12:53 |
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| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: I am thinking of helping port some packages from debian to increase the package count | 12:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | useful packages or just stacking the count? | 12:53 |
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| * timeless_mbp is still annoyed at someone stacking the CVE count for no good reason | 12:54 |
| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: hidden repos ... really, are you sure | 12:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | sgbirch: most of the maemo5 ui is hidden :) | 12:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | the vcs for maemo5 code is generally not public | 12:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | sgbirch: my sources for my interesting packages aren't published (i have reasons) | 12:54 |
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| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: I am starting to discover that. I cant believe Nokia has come so far ... and dropped the ball | 12:54 |
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| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: the n900 could become the ubuntu of phones | 12:55 |
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| thresh | oh noes | 12:55 |
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| * Stskeeps gets the popcorn | 12:55 |
| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: by that I mean .. popularity | 12:55 |
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| w00t | used by a majority of an overly vocal minority, you mean? | 12:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | sgbirch: so... | 12:56 |
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| frals | lol w00t | 12:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | we have way more customers than nokia management knows what to do with | 12:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | c.f. the availability shortage earlier | 12:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | and the perennial server shortages | 12:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What an awful affliction. | 12:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | (death to the dinosaurs) | 12:57 |
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| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: you mean production cannot keep up with demand? | 12:57 |
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| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: on the hardware side? | 12:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | initial production was throttled / limited | 12:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | because management didn't think there'd be demand | 12:57 |
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| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: lmao | 12:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | they got the message, but it takes a bit to fix that (about 2months to get the trickle down i suppose) | 12:58 |
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| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: this has the potential to be the best damn phone ever made | 12:58 |
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| Stskeeps | besides the first phone? | 12:58 |
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| Stskeeps | :P | 12:58 |
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| sgbirch | Stskeeps: Come here watson ... yes | 12:58 |
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| * timeless_mbp pokes sgbirch in private | 12:59 |
| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: but while they fix production shortfalls we can be working on the software | 12:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | sgbirch: yeah, hence i'm testing 1.2's browser | 13:00 |
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| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: maybe Nokia doesnt realize how productive and FREE a motivated community can be | 13:00 |
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| Stskeeps | sgbirch: they have several years of experience in that | 13:00 |
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| Stskeeps | it isn't always pretty | 13:00 |
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| * GeneralAntilles is inclined to blame management. | 13:00 |
| sgbirch | Stskeeps: They are SO close | 13:00 |
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| Stskeeps | sgbirch: they state 80% open, 20% closed for the platform | 13:00 |
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| Stskeeps | which is fair, since they have to make money | 13:01 |
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| murrayc | andre__: What bugzilla product should I use to file a bug about the swipe-to-close clock. It doesn't show the time when using some themes, because the foreground and background colors are the same. | 13:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | murrayc: that'd be a bug in the theme, no? | 13:01 |
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| sgbirch | Stskeeps: That is fine, dont have a problem with that | 13:01 |
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| murrayc | timeless_mbp: Maybe. But I think apps should be aware of the colors imposed on them by the theme, maybe via platform API. | 13:01 |
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| Stskeeps | sgbirch: so, what do you mean by ubuntu? :P | 13:01 |
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| sgbirch | Stskeeps: I WANT them to make money and dont mind helping for free | 13:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | murrayc: and do what, work against the theme? | 13:02 |
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| sgbirch | Stskeeps: Even though my day job is integrating software on Ubuntu | 13:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | what if a themer *wants* to hide something? :) | 13:02 |
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| Stskeeps | sgbirch: and what's keeping you? | 13:02 |
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| * andre__ wonders what swipe-to-close bug is | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | (i'm not here to discuss, i'm here to help you doing so) | 13:02 |
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| sgbirch | Stskeeps: Nothing, I am starting up the learning curve | 13:02 |
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| red | timeless_mbp: kinda funny about the demand. have a friend still waiting for N900 and he ordered two days later than I did. | 13:02 |
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| red | and I've had mine for month and 10 days :) | 13:03 |
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| murrayc | timeless_mbp,: I don't know what the documented thing to do is, but I can imagine either a) the theme tells the app what foreground color to use. b) The app discovers the background color and choose an apppriate foreground color. | 13:03 |
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| red | 8* | 13:03 |
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| andre__ | murrayc: try Desktop / Themes | 13:03 |
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| Stskeeps | sgbirch: maemo.gitorious.org is always a good place to start :) | 13:03 |
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| murrayc | andre__: What if I think that the app should work with all themes? | 13:03 |
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| sgbirch | Stskeeps: my first baby step is to set up the apt so I can apt-get source | 13:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | murrayc: basically, themebuilder is or whichever template a theme is using is responsible for explaining to themers how things work | 13:03 |
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| sgbirch | Stskeeps: git is my friend | 13:03 |
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| aep | is the menu hardcoded or can i change that via some config? | 13:04 |
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| andre__ | murrayc, actually I still don't know what app you talk about, hence file a ticket with steps, and we'll see :) | 13:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | aep: system menu is an xml backed thing | 13:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | there's an addon for turning on/off the phone module | 13:04 |
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| aep | eww, sounds like not configurable | 13:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh, it's pluggable | 13:04 |
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| sgbirch | Stskeeps: Wow. What is that site for, it looks great | 13:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | works quite nicely | 13:04 |
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| murrayc | andre__: The clock with the swipe bar when you just press the power key when the N900 is sleeping | 13:04 |
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| Stskeeps | sgbirch: it's where maemo is openly developed | 13:04 |
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| Stskeeps | well, one of the spots | 13:05 |
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| murrayc | andre__: Which took me weeks to even discover. | 13:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Unlock screen. | 13:05 |
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| aep | uh i just got the main menu and more.. displayd the same time. oO | 13:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | aep, known bug. | 13:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | aep, was improved in PR1.1. | 13:07 |
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| aep | ok good. | 13:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | But not actually fixed like they asserted. | 13:07 |
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| aep | err but how do i make it go away? heh | 13:08 |
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| aep | restart i guess | 13:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | bug #6361 | 13:09 |
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| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6361 'base' and 'more' applications are visible sametime (messed) | 13:09 |
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| aep | thanks | 13:09 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Not registered? :) | 13:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 13:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Win | 13:10 |
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| sgbirch | In Nokia still working on the bluetooth issue? seems like the stack still has problems | 13:11 |
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| sgbirch | s/In/Is/ | 13:11 |
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| infobot | sgbirch meant: Is Nokia still working on the bluetooth issue? seems like the stack still has problems | 13:11 |
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| * RST38h reYawns | 13:11 |
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| sgbirch | what is the correct/recommended way for a user to disconnect a bt device? Should the device simply be powered down or must it be disconnected using the n900 menus first? | 13:14 |
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| lcuk | timeless, did i see you embedded in a meeting yesterday | 13:15 |
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| sgbirch | I ask because my Nokia bt speakers are a bit temperamental. Id like to just turn them off | 13:15 |
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| pekuja | I think the nature of the beast is such that since the devices can't count on a constant connection anyhow, you should be able to just turn them off, I think | 13:16 |
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| RST38h | power it down and n900 will disconnect it after a while | 13:16 |
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| RST38h | or disconnect it through the top menu | 13:16 |
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| pekuja | I mean, for the N900 the result would be the same if you just carried the speakers out of range | 13:16 |
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| RST38h | yes | 13:16 |
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| sgbirch | ok .. thanks | 13:16 |
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| sgbirch | pr1.1 is much better with bt, but not yet perfect | 13:17 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, moo! | 13:17 |
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| sgbirch | before pr1.1 you could disconnect by just using them :-) | 13:17 |
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| RST38h | heya lcuk | 13:17 |
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| RST38h | "I thought i heard somewhere you could charge the n900 using the old nokia chargers through the audio out?" Join datew: Jan 2010 | 13:18 |
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| RST38h | Is it me getting older or them getting dumber? | 13:18 |
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| lcuk | *blink* | 13:19 |
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| aep | tell them you can also charge it by running in circles screaming "IMA CHICKEN" | 13:19 |
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| X-Fade | That is a nice way to blow things up ;) | 13:19 |
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| alterego | I was thinking to my self, "Wow, the file manager is aweful". But then I thought, actually, it's probably good enough for a normal "user" it's pretty similar to the built in S60 one really. | 13:19 |
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| alterego | I'd like it to (when going up) to act more like a back and move the list to where it was before. | 13:20 |
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| RST38h | "Haha, that won't work, that would require the audio-jack to have a pin in the middle... And it won't." Join Date: Dec 2009 | 13:20 |
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| lcuk | alterego, check for bugs then | 13:20 |
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| lcuk | and file if not | 13:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | alterego, by the way, Ah ha ha @ borrowing your brother's N900. | 13:20 |
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| Remosi | RST38h, Geniuses! | 13:20 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, induction | 13:20 |
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| sgbirch | RST38h: Cant you just wire a 3.5mm jack to a wall plug and not bother with a transformer? I am sure that would work. :) | 13:20 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: no shit... | 13:21 |
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| RST38h | sgbirch: no need for jacks, your body is a good enough electricity conductor | 13:21 |
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| sgbirch | RST38h: lol | 13:21 |
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| hrw | alterego: s60 filemanager is useful. maemo5 one is useless | 13:21 |
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| RST38h | s60 filemanager useful? noooo | 13:22 |
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| hrw | alterego: on s60 (v3fp1) I can check all dirs of internal storage and memory card. under maemo5 I cannot go below ~user/ | 13:22 |
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| alterego | hrw: you're kidding? The inbuilt S60 filemanager? It's pretty much the same functionality as the maemo one .. | 13:22 |
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| RST38h | hrw: But really, why don't you implement your own or port an existing one (like Roxfiler) correctly? | 13:22 |
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| hrw | RST38h: thinking of it - time limits | 13:23 |
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| RST38h | lots of people will be grateful | 13:23 |
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| alterego | I was going to make a "PowerFileManager" application myself actually. | 13:23 |
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| hrw | roxfiler is no no for me. even when I used it I patched half of it out | 13:23 |
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| lcuk | i cant imagine my mum ever needing to browse the contents of /etc or something, let alone explain why she cant do anything with the contents there anyway | 13:23 |
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| aep | there is mc for those who like menu thingies | 13:23 |
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| hrw | alterego: build pcmanfm? | 13:23 |
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| alterego | Yeah, that might work | 13:24 |
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| hrw | I wonder will ~user/MyDocs/.umbaumba/ will be shown by maemo5 'files' as Umbaumba dir ;D | 13:24 |
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| hrw | and no, I do not want to check it | 13:24 |
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| alterego | No, it's not a "special" dir. | 13:24 |
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| pupnik_ | file browser not going above MyDocs is a feature | 13:25 |
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| hrw | I hate maemo5 special dirs | 13:25 |
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| hrw | pupnik_: I have a dir in ~user/ | 13:25 |
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| alterego | pupnik_: I agree, the built in file manager should be "shit" from our perspectives. | 13:25 |
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| RST38h | hrw: just stay away from emelfm please | 13:25 |
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| RST38h | hrw: pcmanfm may work well | 13:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk: hrm | 13:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | me, in a meeting | 13:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh wait, you're around aren't you | 13:26 |
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| alterego | Agreed, I'll look into porting it this evening. | 13:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | ~let's get together, yeah, yeah, yeah~ | 13:26 |
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| sgbirch | is there a way to make a n900 speak irc traffic as it comes in (using espeak) | 13:28 |
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| wazd | heya all | 13:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | sgbirch: out of the box the n900 doesn't do irc :) | 13:28 |
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| wazd | http://www.kdedevelopers.org/files/images/Screenshot-20100119-141352.png <- eeew | 13:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | so you're basically asking "can xchat, pidgin, or some third party addon do it" | 13:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | wazd: what's wrong w/ that? | 13:29 |
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| lcuk | timeless, heh yeah im here till the end of the week | 13:29 |
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| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: I was thinking maybe xchat -> expeak | 13:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk: did you grab lunch? | 13:29 |
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| * timeless_mbp could use lunch | 13:29 |
| lcuk | yes, too late, lunched already. | 13:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: so, that "Phone" is under "Network" in catorize | 13:30 |
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| wazd | timeless_mbp: well, looks like a mess :) I'm thinking of writing a blogpost with improvements | 13:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | is going to take a lot of getting used to | 13:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | wazd: good luck with that | 13:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | if this is the same group i'm thinking of | 13:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | i sent them feedback and nothing happened | 13:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | (tm) | 13:30 |
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| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: yes .. that is correct .. I am asking if xchatm pidgin or some third part addon can do speak irc traffic | 13:31 |
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| pupnik | surely irssi can with some plugin | 13:31 |
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| * timeless_mbp can't hear a ringing tone | 13:32 |
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| aep | umm where is the users "Audio CLips" directory? (anything that media player finds works for me) | 13:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | aep: anything in ~/MyDocs is indexed | 13:33 |
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| Stskeeps | morn javispedro | 13:34 |
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| javispedro | morning | 13:34 |
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| aep | nice. | 13:35 |
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| aep | where is it anyway? ;) | 13:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | ~/MyDocs/.audio iirc | 13:35 |
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| aep | ah dot oO | 13:35 |
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| aep | thanks | 13:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | sorry ~/MyDocs/.sounds | 13:35 |
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| aep | yeah. just didnt think it has a dot. seeing them all now | 13:36 |
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| pupnik | http://chadok.info/darcs/irssi-espeak/espeak.pl | 13:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | you can read the irc logs for my explanation of why it is the way it is | 13:36 |
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| pupnik | i have a couple thousand files under ~/MyDocs - do not want it all to be crawled | 13:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | there's a tracker config file you can use to tell it not to look at certain files | 13:39 |
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| * timeless_mbp wonders how to find a 'welho' bill in an online system | 13:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | nice, my card transactions are hidden elsewhere | 13:42 |
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| pupnik | looks to me like tracker.cfg does not scann all of MyDocs, but instead specific .* directories | 13:42 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: central metro station is still FUBAR? | 13:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: it isn't scheduled to open for a while | 13:43 |
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| Stskeeps | k | 13:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | it was still dead on monday :) | 13:43 |
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| * Stskeeps notes himself to take a taxi | 13:43 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: from airport? | 13:43 |
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| Stskeeps | nah | 13:43 |
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| Stskeeps | bus from airport, taxi to hotel | 13:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | where's your hotel, when do you arrive? | 13:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh darn, it's lunch time | 13:44 |
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| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: I am trying to find your discussion about the n900 dot decision, is there an faq on it? | 13:44 |
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| Stskeeps | well, i can always walk but at that point i'll be trying to deal with the cold :P | 13:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | sgbirch: only in that i've repeatedly explained it here | 13:44 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, which hotel are you in | 13:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | i'll probably stick it into my blog someday | 13:45 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: will be in omena/eerinkatu | 13:45 |
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| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: PLEASE!!! Then next time some noob like me asks you can just send the url | 13:45 |
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| X-Fade | Stskeeps: I use that one all the time. Works fine. | 13:45 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: yeah, my third visit :P | 13:45 |
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| X-Fade | Stskeeps: And free internet now ;) | 13:45 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: yeah, i noticed that | 13:46 |
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| X-Fade | Stskeeps: And on a good day you can even walk to nrc ;) | 13:47 |
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| RST38h | New Vulture's Eye is out, please, test and vote: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/vultures/2.2.100-1maemo5 | 13:55 |
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| javispedro | hm.. transifex looks nice | 14:05 |
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| xorAxAx | google patented map/reduce | 14:13 |
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| xorAxAx | so stop selling software written in functional languages :) | 14:13 |
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| Myrtti | meh | 14:14 |
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| Myrtti | dear twitter. could you please clean up your act so I can get things over with and go home? | 14:15 |
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| javispedro | xorAxAx: Palm,Inc. has a patent on garbage collection, so .... | 14:19 |
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| Shrik3 | ah, software patents | 14:19 |
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| Shrik3 | they make life exciting | 14:19 |
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| xorAxAx | javispedro: which way of GC? | 14:20 |
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| Shrik3 | lessee what the apple vs nokia kerfuffle results in | 14:20 |
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| alterego | I have to say, I'm extremely happy with the N900, I wish I had my own now :( | 14:20 |
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| javispedro | xorAxAx: actually I just remember it's not about GC but rather plain dynamic memory allocation | 14:21 |
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| alterego | I'm gonna have to give this one back to my brother in a couple of days, I'll probably make an image of what I've setup though in anticipation of me eventually getting my own. | 14:21 |
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| xorAxAx | javispedro: ah | 14:21 |
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| wazd | Sonic the Hedgehog: $5.99 for the iPhone | 14:23 |
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| Myrtti | fscking twitter | 14:23 |
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| javispedro | "According to one embodiment, a method is disclosed. The method includes launching a first application on a handheld device implementing a Palm Operating System (OS), and launching a second application." sigh. | 14:27 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: could you do me a favour and pull gconftool-2 -R /apps from a SDK that have had the UI running? | 14:28 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: should I run gconf-clean.sh before running the GUI? | 14:28 |
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| javispedro | well, better so | 14:28 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: i need something related to input method so | 14:30 |
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| javispedro | http://pastebin.com/d2ea6d377 | 14:31 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps^^ | 14:31 |
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| javispedro | (fremantle update3) | 14:31 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, lovely | 14:32 |
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| javispedro | and someone's using Gconf as IPC? | 14:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | so, about context menu | 14:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | you have to hold shift while you tap and hold | 14:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | "I'm powerless!" | 14:33 |
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