IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2010-01-20

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woglindewith kernel 2.6.29 from moblin00:00
Stskeepsjebba: but it's all flushed out now00:00
Chikudoes adblock is for meamo basic browser?00:00
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ChikuI 'installed adblock and I don't it anywhere00:00
jebbaodin_: I can use ftp on the SDK box. I don't have ftp client in the scratchbox, but i dont know why offhand it wouldn't work. Just exit the scratchbox if it's not working within it (not a NAT issue)00:01
jebbaStskeeps: as of when? the posts keep coming.00:01
odin_jebba, works outside (which will do me), from inside I use "wget" that works ftp:// schems00:01
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jebbano clue why it doesnt work within scratchbox00:02
Stskeepsjebba: where? i don't see any new ones00:02
jebbathought i saw some on but maybe i'm just lagging.00:02
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Stskeepsjebba: it started at, X-Fade picked it up immediately, fixed it00:04
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Chikusomeone installed adblock?00:06
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wolf^Chiku, yes, it does work, but it's hard to configure00:09
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Chikuwhere is adblock after installation?00:09
wolf^don't know/don't care00:10
wolf^you can try to copy your adblock configuration from pc to n90000:10
wolf^look into /home/user/.mozilla/microb00:10
wolf^works for me00:10
odin_Chiku, you mean how do you configure it/remove it ?   I have this same issue with "Load Applet"00:10
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__ibzhi, does anyone know the differences between the various image variants? usa vs middle east & north africa vs global?00:10
odin_language, legal, radio frequence capability/requirement differences ?  (would be by guess)00:11
Shrik3keyboard layout?00:12
__ibzodin_: ok, so if you have a us device, but using it in europe, you would use global not usa?00:12
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* Arkenoi impressed people today with ussd widget: see, this thing is just a couple of scripts and a few mniutes to set up, can you do that on wm, android, or, haha, iphone?00:12
odin___ibz, well I would also guess different specific versions of hardware are also shipped to different parts of the world too00:12
odin___ibz, not just visible keyboard layout changes, other things might be different00:13
ShadowJKarkenoi: this is why I like maemo :)00:13
Shrik3Arkenoi: united studios of self defence widget or what?-)00:13
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__ibzhmmmn, so what image *should* i use, there is no guidance on the webpage..00:14
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Chikuwolf^, does mean this file patterns.ini ?00:14
thomaz__ibz, i reflashed mine with the global image, seems ok so far00:14
wolf^Chiku, yes, that one00:15
odin___ibz, I would hope is there are real hardware difference, the flasher will refused to flash something that plainly won't work.. but that is a hope!00:15
Chikuok I will try it00:15
ArkenoiShrik3, a simple script that requests account balance from cellular operator and shows the result in a small widget00:15
__ibzi'm going to try global first...thanks odin_, thomaz00:16
odin_you know the "phone" bit of the device, that you would have expected Nokia to be shit hot on00:16
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odin_but instead support for things every other phone has may never by part of the N90000:16
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Arkenoiwell, we already have MMS (though a bit tricky to set up) and USSD (not well-integrated), what else do we miss? voice dial?00:17
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__ibzodin_: are you saying maemo will never mature as a phone OS, or that by the time it does, n900 will likely not be supported (e.g maemo 6)?00:18
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Arkenoii think PR1.2 will be good enough for a phone OS00:19
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GeneralAntillesStskeeps, hmm?00:19
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: nm00:21
Stskeepsjust messing about with a intel graphics device so00:21
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Chikuabout repository is I added devel so I don't need testing right?00:27
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timeless_mbp__ibz: fwiw, i work at nokia and don't know anything about the different images00:31
timeless_mbpwe didn't really know they existed00:31
prontoi'm having trouble getting fMMS working, i set MMSC to (i have at&t) , but it'll say failed to download message00:32
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timeless_mbp__ibz: note that an n900 _must_ be able to operate anywhere in the world00:35
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timeless_mbpso whatever the differences are, they can't be too interesting :)00:36
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Stskeepsjebba: re discussions , it refers to it00:36
xorAxAxpronto: maybe you have to configure another APN00:36
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jebbaStskeeps: dude on maemo-devel is still reporting repo errors00:39
jebbain this case .gz related, not gpg00:39
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adalalhow do you play m4b file?00:43
xorAxAxwith mediabox? :)00:43
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jebbaStskeeps: i'm getting:  "W: GPG error: fremantle Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG E40DC434616730BD Extras repositories (Fremantle Extras) <>"00:46
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xorAxAxyes, i am seeing invalid signatures as well00:46
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Chikuhow to copy paste on x termical ?00:48
Chikuoh top menu00:48
jebbaxorAxAx: any clue why? Is your error exactly the same as mine?00:49
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jebbaX-Fade ?  ^^00:50
xorAxAxjebba: yes, same error. well, invalid signatures :)00:50
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jebbaxorAxAx: same BADSIG? If different, can you paste it?00:51
jebbai'm submitting to bugzilla00:51
xorAxAxyes, the same00:52
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prontoheh, when i confugure the at&t internet to use a proxy fmms works, but sites don't load right, there needs to be a way to only use the at&t proxy for fMMS00:55
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* jebba waiting for headers man, it's still going on.00:55
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krasatoshi there, i got a lil question about the fm transmitter on n900 if any1's willing to help: im in a country where it's disabled, so i downloaded this app to enable the transmiter and now i can access it through the settings menu, still there is no option in the media player to route the audio to the fm transmitter... any ideas?00:58
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Cas07hmmm tea and keyboard not playing nice tonight!01:07
timeless_mbpkrasatos: eh01:07
timeless_mbpwhat do you mean a country where the fm transmitter is disabled?01:07
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luke-jrtimeless_mbp: probably legal regulations prohibit private FM transmittors?01:09
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krasatosthe fm transmitter of the n900 is disabled in some countries01:11
timeless_mbpkrasatos: open settings>fm transmitter01:11
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krasatosdepending on the imei of the device01:11
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timeless_mbpkrasatos: is it actually disabled?01:12
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timeless_mbpbecause that's nuts01:12
krasatosie Greek phones come with the fm transmitters of the device01:12
__ibztimeless_mbp: thanks01:12
krasatosthere is a hack to enable it01:12
krasatoslemme fetch a link01:12
* GeneralAntilles finally got most of the way through his -community backlog.01:12
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xorAxAxits in the repo, the hack01:12
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GeneralAntillesJust need to finish reading that monster Brainstorm usefulness thread.01:13
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krasatosyeh, it's this app "fmtx-faker"01:13
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krasatosthing is, although the transmiter is now working, at least i can access it's settings,01:13
xorAxAxtimeless_mbp: you didnt know that? :)01:13
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krasatosit;s not available to select as output on the maemo's built in media player01:13
Chikuwolf^, adblock doens"t block ads like on my pc01:14
Chikui use same patterns.ini01:14
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timeless_mbpxorAxAx: they don't tell us about every stupid thing that goes around in their heads01:14
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krasatosi can select it as output from this mediabox player (havent't tested if it's working yet) but i can select it01:15
krasatosthere's no option in the default media player01:15
* timeless_mbp frowns01:15
krasatosthat's why im asking for clues :(01:15
* timeless_mbp kicks krasatos 01:15
timeless_mbplet's try this again.01:15
xorAxAxkrasatos: there is a simple-fmtx widget01:15
timeless_mbpdid you open Settings?01:15
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timeless_mbpdid you check the checkbox?01:15
xorAxAxkrasatos: that lets you enable the tx via the desktop01:15
wolf^Chiku, try opening xterm and execute "killall -9 browser browserd"01:15
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, I think you should request some stream-of-consciousness microblogging.01:15
timeless_mbpdid you select a frequency?01:15
wolf^ChanServ, preferably as root01:15
wolf^Chiku, this should reload browser (and adblock)01:15
nomisHum. hildon.WizardDialog for some reason messes with the title of the dialog when switching pages. It suddenly showed "Welcome" that I did not specify anywhere.01:16
GeneralAntilleswolf^, restart browser may be a better option.01:16
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krasatostimeless_mbp: yes, but the last step is to start playing a song and then have the media player to output it to the fm transmitter right?01:16
GeneralAntillesOr whatever the hell the upstart recipe is.01:16
Chikuwolf^, I even reboot it01:16
timeless_mbpkrasatos: yes01:17
timeless_mbperr no01:17
timeless_mbplast step is to plug in headphones01:17
wolf^Chiku, which adblock are you using (how have you installed it)?01:17
timeless_mbpand *then* turn on the media player01:17
krasatoslemme check ;)01:17
timeless_mbpif you don't plug in headphones, you don't have an antenna01:17
timeless_mbpif you don't have an antenna, well.. you can't transimt01:17
infobottimeless_mbp meant: if you don't have an antenna, well.. you can't transmit01:17
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: users suck01:17
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GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, erm, actually, doesn't plugging in headphones DISABLE the transmitter?01:18
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Chikuadblock plus 1maemo0-801:18
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, receiver requires headphones.01:18
GeneralAntillesThe transmitter doesn't.01:18
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: from memory, no01:18
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GeneralAntillesMaybe it just lowers the output power when headphones are plugged in.01:18
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GeneralAntilles(disproportionately, so you're likely to get a lower quality signal)01:19
krasatosgeneralantilles ure right, it wont let me launch the transmitter with anything pluged in the jack slot, headphones or av output cable01:19
Chikulol, I'm reading description "... Will requirea reboot or two after installation before it will work"01:19
timeless_mbpsorry :)01:19
* timeless_mbp doesn't really use the transmitter01:19
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, you suck. :P01:19
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wolf^Chiku, see
wolf^Chiku, seems there are some problems (but with workarounds)01:20
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krasatoshmm... ok, if i enable the transmitter first from the settings menu, then run the media player it routes the sound to the transmitter, it's working01:21
wolf^Chiku, I have adblock 1.1.1, not from extras, which works better01:21
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timeless_mbpok, stupid question01:21
timeless_mbphow does one test the fm radio?01:21
odin___ibz, I'm saying its been commented on my representatives as Nokia that for the N900 at least certain phone functions (which usually have UI) may never be provided01:21
Chikuwhere did you got this version?01:21
GAN900timeless_mbp, send or receive?01:22
timeless_mbpsend :)01:22
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* timeless_mbp can't figure out how to use the fm radio on this stereo system01:22
w00tis there a safe way to restart X without restarting the whole device (over ssh)? I've managed to horribly confuse the application menu in interesting ways01:22
krasatosi just thought that i could enable it after runing the media player and then tapping on the top of the screen and selecting transmitter (saw the option in a youtube vid, had  the playlist buttons+ a fm transmitter option) mine doesnt, but it seems to wokr the other way around01:22
krasatosi can leave with it01:22
krasatosthanx guys, nn+cu round01:23
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odin_ah I see why the gzip/akamai talk earliar in channel; to do with current repo errors01:24
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* w00t tries to restart it anywaty01:24
timeless_mbpi could test using my n800!01:24
wolf^Chiku, remember to uninstall old adblock first01:25
krasatoshm, thought of another question :).... how do i add msn messenger support to the built in IM thingy?01:25
Chikuthx wolf^01:25
* timeless_mbp didn't realize that browser.garage still published news01:26
w00trestarting hildon-desktop fixed it01:26
w00tthough I do wonder why, if the init.d script can stop and start it, why it can't just restart it01:26
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w00tthough it is of little consequence01:27
timeless_mbpkrasatos: it's in extras01:27
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krasatosany hint on the name so i can search for it?01:28
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timeless_mbpmsn protocol plugin for Conversations and Contacts01:28
krasatosthanx timeless01:29
timeless_mbpkrasatos: so01:29
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timeless_mbpthe fm radio icon in the status area...01:29
timeless_mbpjust tells you that you're broadcasting01:29
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timeless_mbpthe item in the menu lets you change the settings01:29
timeless_mbpremember that the broadcast range for the fm radio is incredibly small01:29
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krasatostimeless_mbp: mate, when in the "now playing" screen when u tap on the top part, do u get a fm transmitter option?01:31
javispedrothe official fmtx middleware _disables_ the tx when headphones are connected01:31
timeless_mbpkrasatos: yes01:31
krasatosi dont get one :(01:31
timeless_mbpdo you really not get one?01:31
SpeedEviltimeless: The FM transmitter runs from a transmit antenna loop that is integrated into the case, and connected by a little spring connector01:32
* timeless_mbp frowns01:32
timeless_mbpSpeedEvil: interesting01:32
timeless_mbpkrasatos: gah,01:32
SpeedEviltimeless: see the hardware hacking page in the n900_hardware category for the l3/l4 manual01:32
krasatosi only get "Clear current playlist" and "Save playlist" timeless_mbp01:32
timeless_mbpSpeedEvil: no thanks01:32
* timeless_mbp sighs01:33
SpeedEvilAlso - one way of checking the tx is to measure teh current consumption - but that won't work reliably with the internal sensor - as it's only a 19mA jump01:33
uhsfnew Sony VAIO Z is gonna be so powerful but I'm so poor I can't buy laptops01:34
w00tuhsf: info?01:35
* w00t is a sony lover01:35
xorAxAxthinkpads are the better sony01:35
krasatosis there some way to keep incoming messages and missed calls notifications visible in the desktops?01:35
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timeless_mbpkrasatos: can you visit a country which doesn't have this rule and then file a bug?01:35
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krasatoswell. i think its working anyway if i enable the transmitter before i run the media app, so i dont think i'll bother01:36
timeless_mbpbecause if it doesn't work properly when you're in another country, it's buggy01:37
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krasatosmaybe in an update of the media playeer it'll be fixed01:37
timeless_mbpkrasatos: which software are you running?01:37
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timeless_mbp42-11/44-1/51-1/ ?01:38
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krasatosi update the latest update available01:38
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Chikuwolf^, when microb need restart, when I tap on restart it won't01:39
krasatosyo timeless... how can i check my contacts? how can i see who's online?01:40
timeless_mbpjust open addressbook, tap the title, tap the third tab01:40
Chikuand if I closed microb, when I launch it, I don't see adblock in extension list :(01:40
w00topen contacts, click the title area01:40
w00ttimeless_mbp as ever, is faster :-)01:40
timeless_mbpkrasatos: which language is your device using?01:41
timeless_mbpiirc we don't offer greek01:41
krasatosi am Greek, but i use the phone in english01:41
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wolf^Chiku, just open the x terminal and execute kill -9 ... command01:41
krasatosthanx for the tip btw, it would take me a while to find it out ;)01:42
pupnikssh + mplayer helps locate device01:43
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krasatosgnite guys, thanx for all the help ;)01:43
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javispedro... specially if you output audio with media.role == "game" which bypasses most volume controls01:43
javispedroand thus you get a loud _bang_ from the speakers01:43
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pupnikdidn't try that01:44
pupnikit disables xprot?01:44
pupnik@ javispedro01:44
AOKSoo I have a big problem01:44
AOKI have installed01:44
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javispedronope, just uses max volume no matter what01:44
javispedroeven with headphones connected01:44
javispedro(it's a bug, I filed it)01:44
AOKBeah SSh01:44
AOKthe client01:45
AOKI want to install HAMACHI01:45
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AOKThe problem is01:45
pupnikok do not try to move vmware-player to a new system.  reinstall instead.01:45
AOKInstall dropbear SSH01:45
AOKIn xterm, do a dbclient root@127.1 with password "rootme" (if rootme doesn't work, update your Nokia software to the latest version, at least the 3/2007 version.01:45
AOKNow here is where it asks for password01:45
AOKand gainroot is not working01:46
AOKneither is rootme01:46
AOKon my N90001:46
SpeedEviltype root01:46
SpeedEvilwhat happens01:46
AOKI have of course ran it under give me a sec01:46
SpeedEvilyou have installed the roothsh pachage?01:46
woglindeaok using old outdate compiled binary stuff is crap01:46
AOKwell I know01:46
woglindeget the source code and make a fine package out of it01:46
AOKI am too noob01:47
woglindewe all were noobs01:47
woglindetry hard to get better01:47
AOKfor repacking01:47
Cas07nice slogan "we all were noobs" :D01:48
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Cas07oh noz my enter and backspace key have suffered from tea attack!!01:48
AOK"root" nor "rootsh" works01:49
woglindeapt-get install rootsh01:49
woglindesudo gainroot01:49
AOKye ye ye01:49
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AOKdid that ;-)01:49
woglindeenable extras01:49
woglindein programmanger01:49
AOKas I said prior to runnung the dbclient01:49
AOKI got the root access01:49
pupnikjavispedro: do you plan to pursue the rendering in .25 or does it look like a bad path?01:50
AOKbut then I have the # sign01:50
javispedropupnik: you mean the hildon scaling stuff?01:51
javispedroi am trying to encapsulate it01:51
javispedrojust now trying to decide how...01:51
pupniki don't understand01:51
javispedrobasically, you need to render your stuff to a window not managed by sdl01:51
pupnikgtk-pixbuf or smth?01:52
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javispedrothen send some commands to the window manager indicating rotation, scale, etc.01:52
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javispedroI currently use a plain x window on drnok01:52
MohanI was trying to update to the latest 2.2009-51 version from win 7 and software update failed01:52
javispedroand of course it looks a bit ugly to have all the sdl code and THEN some xlib code01:52
timeless_mbpis ham capable of handling *any* conflicts?01:52
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Mohannow my n900 is bricked, I've read the docs for flashing using the flasher utility and the bin image file.01:53
javispedropupnik: my current plan is to wrap this into a set of SDL_CreateActor / SDL_FreeActor functions that hide that from you and give you a surface to render to01:53
javispedrobut that may still mean some mods to games..01:54
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Mohanwhen I connect the device in a linux mahcine and hold the U key for a while I see that nokia usb rom connected and followed by usb disconnected01:54
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pupnikjavispedro: that is GREAT01:55
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Mohancan someone help me here to figure out whats the issue.01:56
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timeless_mbpanyone here willing to test something for me?01:56
pupnikthe advantages for sdk in a vm are serious.  i should have run with that from the beginning01:56
prontotimeless_mbp: depends01:56
prontowhat do you want tested01:57
ml-mobileall of freenode is locked to unregistered users eh?01:57
javispedrouh oh, updated  libc in lenny01:57
* javispedro panics01:57
timeless_mbpadd the repo, install the package, go to app/manager01:57
timeless_mbptap the title area, choose restore01:57
timeless_mbptap restore01:57
prontotimeless_mbp: what is it?01:57
Chikusomeone else already install adblock?01:57
povbot`Bug 8288: application manager restore shouldn't list packages that will lose a replaces-conflicts contest with the current system01:57
MohanIs this the room to ask support for n900 flashing ?01:58
javispedropovbot: pin01:58
Chikuthat's making me creazy01:58
javispedropovbot: ping01:58
javispedropovbot`: ping01:58
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prontotimeless_mbp: added01:59
prontowella dding01:59
Mohanjavispedro: I've got my n900 bricked. I'm trying to reflash it but i dont see the usb logo screen as mentioned in the document01:59
prontotimeless_mbp: added now01:59
GAN900Mohan, the USB cable must be connected.02:00
timeless_mbppronto: roughly, this is trying to fast track you through the steps in the bug02:00
timeless_mbpyou're at around step 1502:00
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pronto"1 app sucessfully installed"02:00
Mohanthats a tail of /var/log/messages when I hold the u key and connect the usb cable02:00
odin_can the "devtools" repo be optified? "deb fremantle/tools free non-free" ?02:01
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MohanGAN900: It is kept connected. As of now all i see is the black nokia text and when connected to power cable it shows yellow light for few seconds02:02
timeless_mbppronto: tap the title area, select restore...02:02
javispedrooh, Nokia fixed something in SDL which I was workarounding in drnok :)02:02
prontothats greyed out02:02
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timeless_mbppronto: which is?02:03
pronto"Restore applications" that is02:03
* timeless_mbp grumbles02:03
timeless_mbpopen xterm02:03
Mohanso many people around, but its a shame no one is willing to help a small issue.02:03
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xorAxAxMohan: and your flasher doesnt recognize the device?02:04
timeless_mbpcat .hildon-application-manager/packages.backup02:04
MohanUnable to enumerate USB buses!, flasher quits saying this02:04
timeless_mbpMohan: are you su?02:04
javispedroMohan: distro?02:04
mikhasyour device needs to be off, not some black nokia text or such02:05
MohanI am running it as root.02:05
prontothere is no "packages.backup" under that dir02:05
pupnikone, two, buckle my shoe02:05
MohanIt was indeed off.02:05
mikhascompletely blank screen?02:05
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jaem_n900morning, folks02:05
xorAxAxMohan: stop fiddling with your device and get the flasher working beforehand02:05
mikhasbecause it doesnt switch off if it was still connected via usb02:05
MohanUSB disconnect, address 902:06
xorAxAxMohan: it has to say "waiting for device" or something like that02:06
javispedroopensuse11.2 uses /dev/bus/usb and not /proc/bus/usb (though I guess flasher already supports that?)02:06
timeless_mbppronto: oops02:06
* timeless_mbp screwed up02:06
prontoshould i go ahead and uninstall it?02:06
timeless_mbpand remove the catalog02:06
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timeless_mbpthen try the link again :)02:06
Mohanwhy does the connected devices disconnects soon? any reason for it.02:06
prontoits "a" right02:06
jaem_n900I reflashed my N900 with PR1.1, leaving the eMMC intact, and now my Tracker db is borked02:06
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xorAxAxMohan: because it doesnt see a flasher02:07
timeless_mbpit installed package 'a' instead of a different package that pulls in package 'b' :)02:07
timeless_mbppronto: this is why i need a tester :)02:07
jaem_n900e.g. the media player only sees some files, and their metadata as shown is wrong02:07
xorAxAxjaem_n900: clear it with tracker-processes -r02:07
jaem_n900xorAxAx, willdo, thanks02:07
prontotimeless_mbp: as long as you doont compeletly brick my phone, i'll test things02:07
xorAxAxjaem_n900: as user02:07
timeless_mbppronto: yeah, so, remove 'a', remove the catalog, and then try the .install link again02:07
Mohanlet me try again. I will remove the battery, for few minutes, put the battery back. run the flasher command. hold the u key and connect the usb cable and keep holding the u key.02:08
jaem_n900xorAxAx, yes - that looked like it flushed it properly :)02:08
Mohanthis should do the job right ?02:08
xorAxAxMohan: wrong wrong wrong02:08
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xorAxAxMohan: you get your flasher working until it says waiting for device02:08
* timeless_mbp grumbles02:08
xorAxAxMohan: did you google for the error message?02:09
Mohanwhen I run the flasher command i see that it says waiting for the device.02:09
timeless_mbphow do i clear this stupid cache02:09
xorAxAxMohan: didnt you say it gives you an error message?02:09
prontotimeless_mbp: going again, with that game link02:09
xorAxAxMohan: please pastebin command line and output on paste.pocoo.org02:10
javispedromarbles is now OSS O.o02:10
timeless_mbppronto: if it asks you to install 'a', then it's doing the wrong thing02:10
timeless_mbpand i need to flush the cache02:10
jaem_n900out of curiousity, is there any documentation for the exposed PCB pads under the battery on the N900?  I recall there were pictures of Nokia folks using flashing jigs that seemed to connect to some of those02:10
timeless_mbpjaem_n900: we don't document that stuff ;-)02:11
cehtehone is the serial port02:11
cehtehmaybe the other is jtag, and maybe usb?02:11
MohanThe error i get is unable to enumerate the usb device. apart from that in the /var/log/messages i see the device found and it gets disconnected. which i have pasted in the paste bin.02:11
jaem_n900timeless_mbp, cehteh, is there any unofficial info available?02:12
pronto timeless_mbp its asking me install Bug 8288   ,and under "installing" it says to install: b(0.1)02:12
povbot`Bug application manager restore shouldn't list packages that will lose a replaces-conflicts contest with the current system02:12
xorAxAxMohan: Url?02:12
jaem_n900also, cehteh, what sort of serial port?02:12
cehtehjaem_n900: google :)02:12
timeless_mbpmuch better :)02:12
prontoand to verify, under uninstall it shows "b"02:13
timeless_mbpok, now try restore :)02:13
prontowhat excatly will it restore?02:14
timeless_mbpit'll fail :)02:14
timeless_mbpit's supposed to restore 'a' :)02:14
AOKhow am I suppossed to get02:14
AOKvi ~/.hamachi/config02:14
AOKthere is no ~ on n900 keyboard02:14
jaem_n900thanks, all02:15
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prontothat "that restore applications is still grayed out02:15
timeless_mbpAOK: blue, ctrl, ~, space02:15
timeless_mbppronto: WAH02:15
SpeedEviljaem_n900: - if you find out anything02:15
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xorAxAxMohan: ok, now you remove all cables from your n900, press u and while doing so connect the usb cable02:16
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xorAxAxMohan: before you need to turn off your device02:16
prontoinstalled that .install you linked, it installed b, checked that menu that says "restore applications" it was greyed out, so i closed and repopened the app manager, its still greyed out02:16
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xorAxAxMohan: and, does it work?02:18
timeless_mbppronto: yeah, i need to figure out what's w/ my postinst02:19
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prontoi'll go ahead and uninstall b, and remove that catalog02:20
AOKyou mean blue & ctrl and space?02:20
AOKit is not working02:21
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MohanI did exactly that, removed the battery and put it back so just had a black screen. holded the u key and connected the usb cable.02:21
timeless_mbpAOK: blue, ctrl, ~, space02:21
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prontolol, timeless_mbp "unable to uniinstall 'b' some application packages are needed buy other applcations02:21
AOKstill don't understand02:21
AOKPLS can you explain?02:21
timeless_mbppronto: you need to uninstall 'Bug...' first02:22
prontooh need to reboge that bug 828802:22
povbot`Bug application manager restore shouldn't list packages that will lose a replaces-conflicts contest with the current system02:22
prontoyeah just noticed02:22
Mohanstarted the flasher before connecting the cable, on the second log entry which says new usb device found, the flasher exited saying unable to enumerate usb devices02:22
timeless_mbpsorry, i should have it right the next time02:22
* timeless_mbp just hasn't built a postinst from scratch in a while02:22
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AOK-N ~02:22
AOKCool timeless_mbp02:22
AOKgot it02:22
xorAxAxMohan: hmm, no idea02:23
xorAxAxMohan: thats a nokia proprietary closed source product, ask a nokia guy :)02:23
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MohanI've checked it twice and it happened exactly what i said.02:24
timeless_mbpMohan: most nokians sleep before 2am02:24
pupnik'usb disconnect'02:24
timeless_mbpask nokians during business hours02:24
prontowait how did you get that ~ what do you mean by blue?02:24
timeless_mbppronto: look at the keyboard02:25
timeless_mbponly one key is just blue.02:25
prontooh that arrow?02:25
AOKOK next weird step:02:25
AOKvi ~/.hamachi/config02:25
AOKKeepAlive 2002:25
AOK<press enter>02:25
AOK<press "Back" button on device>02:25
pupnikMohan: i suspect something wrong on host system or cable02:25
MohanI'm using a dell laptop for the process wonder would this has something to do with that. (i.e the way usb devices are organised)02:25
AOKvi ~/.hamachi/config02:25
AOKopens the vi02:25
timeless_mbpMohan: @nokia we use dells, ibms, and hps mostly02:26
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Mohanmount -t usbfs none /proc/bus/usb02:27
MohanI did run that command before that second attempt.02:27
AOKI can't write anything?02:28
AOKdoes anyone happen to know why?02:28
AOKany idea why>02:28
odin_power down of 55-1 looks more organised/better, but a fullscreen message / progress bar (would be better than the initial 3 seconds of all desktops merged on top of each other, like spaghetti)02:28
odin_timeless_mbp, I've installed 'crash-reporter_1.27+0m5_armel.deb' and now I see 'Segmentation fault (core dumped)' instead of just 'Segmentation fault' but I can't actually locate any "core*" files02:30
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odin_documentation points to /home/user/MyDocs/core-dumps/ but currently empty (after I make a few  'Segmentation fault (core dumped)' happen with OS default s/w)02:31
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Mohanlet me try in ubuntu and see how it goes.02:34
timeless_mbpodin_: crash-reporter collects them02:35
timeless_mbpopen settings>crash reporter02:35
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odin_timeless_mbp, all the ticks in all the boxes I'd expect (the default settings) the collection area is /home/user/MyDocs/core-dumps/ according to but as yet not gotten it to create one, maybe I compile up the example ./crasher binary and start with that "memset(NULL, 0, 4);"02:37
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timeless_mbpodin_: if you choose "Send all", what happens?02:38
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odin_timeless_mbp, yep is says it has 1 stored report :)02:38
timeless_mbpit should tell you what it is..02:39
odin_yep from the binary that is crashing02:39
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ShadowJKdoes send all resend old stuff?02:40
DocScrutinizer51hmm yummy. Pink breathing light, with a much better rhythm02:40
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AOKhow to get out of VI?02:41
AOKGuys pls help02:41
ShadowJKesc :q02:41
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AOKwhich button is escape on n900?02:41
DocScrutinizer51might tweak a lil more to get a veritable heartbeat02:41
SpeedEvilesc ZZ is clearly better02:41
SpeedEvilZZ is easy to press02:41
AOKwhat is esc on N900?02:41
timeless_mbppronto: one more try?02:42
pronto sure give me a second02:43
prontosame link?02:43
lardman|homeAOK: onscreen kb02:43
lardman|homeAOK: or rather the shortcut bar at the bottom of xterm02:43
odin_it knows there has been a crash but I'm trying to get access to the data (the core)02:44
prontoinstalling ^^02:45
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prontoinstalled, "b" and that "bug...." but restore applicatons is still greyed out , when i restarted the application manager, the "restore applications" is clickable02:47
prontoafter clicking restore, it wants me to install "a"02:49
prontotimeless_mbp: ^^02:49
prontoand then it says "unable to install  "a" conflicting application packages"02:50
prontoconflicts with "b"02:50
AOKA new one02:50
AOKerror while loading shared libraires: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory02:50
AOKis there by defaul any such library on the phone?02:50
timeless_mbpAOK: who wants libcrypto 097?02:50
AOKhamachi ;-)02:51
timeless_mbppeople probably use 098..02:51
AOKthat old hamachi ;-)02:51
odin_yes OpenSSL is part of the base platform /usr/lib/ /usr/lib/
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woglindetry ln -s /usr/lib/  /usr/lib/
AOKso how am I now going to say to hamachi to use the newer version02:51
AOKOK woglinde02:52
odin_woglinde, lol02:52
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AOKthat will add a shortcut to that file right with the different name?02:52
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timeless_mbppronto: you can now trash those packages :)02:53
odin_if you can obtain a 0.9.7 build of openssl you can put the in the same dir as the binary (and then use envvar settings to make it load)02:53
prontoalready done02:54
woglindeodin old trick02:54
woglindesometimes work02:54 search for LD_PRELOAD and LD_LIBRARY_PATH02:54
woglindeif api didnt change this bad02:54
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prontotimeless_mbp: if you ever need anything else tested, as long as it wont brick my device i'll be happy to test02:54
timeless_mbppronto: thanks :)02:55
AOKnope didin't worked02:55
odin_the API did change, just because it runs means the symbols did not change (which is probably true for using a newer version as older) but the strcture sizes may also have changed, in which case random crashes for you02:55
AOKwhere am I going to find openssl 0.9.7? :-(02:55
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timeless_mbpAOK: you won't02:56
AOKthat the best I found :-(02:56
woglindethe link trick didnt work?02:56
woglindewhats the error now?02:56
timeless_mbpwhy not rebuild against 098?02:56
woglindeno source code02:56
woglindeits payware crap02:56
AOKwoglinde: the same02:57
woglindeaok ?????02:57
woglindeaok whats ldd hamachi-bin says?02:57
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odin_"apt-cache showpkg openssl" does not show a 0.9.7 release for fremantle, will a previous version (from maemo4 etc..) work on you device (which is ? N900?)02:58
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prontohas anyone seen that "BirdFlew" guy that was working on an app that'll track your device if it's lost?03:00
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odin_AOK, what is your device ?03:02
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AOKthat is what I am telling  you03:02
AOKI am trying to install it on N90003:02
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AOKand as you can see from the name  it is ment for 77003:02
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odin_is libcrypto the _ONLY_ library missing?  from "ldd" output?03:03
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AOKDon't know03:03
odin_well run "ldd /path/binary"03:03
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AOKlibcrypto not found03:04
AOKon three others there isare some addresses03:04
odin_so that all you need?03:04
AOKwhich might mean that this is the only thing I need03:05
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AOKany ideas?03:06
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pupnikit is nice to make a local cache of your debs, for when you get broken apt download03:08
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AOKapt-get install libssl0.9.703:10
AOKso I tried this03:10
timeless_mbppupnik: nah, jebba 's solves that03:10
AOKpackage libssl0.9.7 is not available but is reffered to another package03:11
AOKguys PLS help me on this  one :-)03:12
odin_AOK be patient...03:12
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woglindeldd should foound it now03:13
woglindeor you made the link wrong03:13
AOKok will try again03:13
odin_AOK try
woglindewhats /usr/lib/ now poiting too?03:14
odin_courtesy of the j.e.b.b.a. scratchbox03:14
woglindeodin *g*03:14
AOKso if I try to do the ln again03:14
AOKit says it exists03:14
woglindels -la /usr/lib/
AOKldd and execution of hamachi don't find it03:15
odin_put it in the same dir as the binary.. run binary like: "LD_PRELOAD=/path/ /path/hamachi"03:15
xorAxAxhail pulseaudio03:16
xorAxAx  785 pulse     12  -8 83112  3956  2120 S  0.0  1.6  9:16.84 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --system --high-priority03:16
odin_try "LD_PRELOAD=/path/ ldd /path/hamachi"03:16
AOKwoglinde:  no file found03:16
xorAxAxWTH does it need 83 MB VIRT03:16
AOKwhat did I do wrong?03:16
odin_you need to "ldconfig" if you installed in a system path (which I do not advise)03:16
DocScrutinizer51has anybody found out about LED_patterns madness yet? the chip has E engines and NO mux to assign LEDs to particular engines. The assumption engine3 is for kbd is totally screwed03:17
AOKis usr/bin system path in linux?03:17
infobotDocScrutinizer51 meant: has anybody found out about L3D_patterns madness yet? the chip has E engines and NO mux to assign LEDs to particular engines. The assumption engine3 is for kbd is totally screwed03:18
odin_^^ heh03:18
xorAxAxLSD? :)03:19
AOKLDD_PRELOAD did not workd03:19
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DocScrutinizer51omg. my poor mind is going apeshit on that LED driver03:20
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odin_AOK, what is the path to your executable and your library ?  /opt/far/far/away/hamachi ?03:21
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DocScrutinizer51nota bene  I *love* LP5521. Just what those creeps made of it is.... dunno the right word03:21
odin_AOK, do DSOs need to be marked executable, i.e. chmod a+x ?03:22
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DocScrutinizer51not afaik03:22
DocScrutinizer51i know nuttin tho03:23
nomismhm, the Progress bar in the Hildon.Note widget apparently is no longer working?03:24
woglindeodin_ nope03:25
* timeless_mbp sighs03:25
* timeless_mbp = idiot03:25
timeless_mbppronto: ping03:25
timeless_mbppronto: please say you *don't* have openssh-server installed03:26
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prontoi have ssh client installed on my n90003:26
timeless_mbpok, good03:26
timeless_mbpplease disable all repos, and enable/add the tools repo03:26
timeless_mbpthen try to add openssh server03:26
timeless_mbpbefore you add it, find out the version it's going to install03:27
prontoo.O tools repo?03:27
infobotIriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at  Why isn't it in the default client yet?03:27
prontoi have the extra, and extra dev, ovi, and the default one03:27
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DocScrutinizer51odin_: sounds usefull03:28
timeless_mbppronto: disable all of those, add this one ^03:28
odin_infobot devtools is at "deb fremantle/tools free non-free" see documentation at
infobot...but devtools is already something else...03:28
odin_what has World of Warcraft go to do with Maemo ?03:28
timeless_mbpodin_: use 'maemo ...'03:29
timeless_mbpodin_: please note that infobot is almost certainly a shared resource03:29
AOKodin_:  what is DSOs03:29
DocScrutinizer51odin_: infobot is channel agnostic03:29
AOKwill it be wrong to install the libcrypto 0.9703:30
AOKwill it damage the phone?03:30
DocScrutinizer51~tell odin_ about batfaq03:30
odin_AOK, a Dynamic Shared Object, (aka as a DLL in windows world, the is a DSO)03:30
DocScrutinizer51just for an example03:30
lardman|homenight chaps03:31
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AOKOdI installed it and still03:31
DocScrutinizer51~tell odin_ about joerg03:31
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* odin_ wonders what he is meant to be learning03:32
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DocScrutinizer51you may learn factoids of infobot aren't bound to #cannels03:33
prontotimeless_mbp: 1:5.1p1-2maemo603:33
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odin_so what is infobot good for there, if 100 other channels share it ?03:34
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timeless_mbpinfobot: status03:34
infobotSince Tue Jan 19 04:49:42 2010, there have been 2 modifications, 55 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 34 commands.  I have been awake for 20h 45m 16s this session, and currently reference 116750 factoids.  I'm using about 18972 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1919.25/65.77 child 0.27/0.1103:34
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timeless_mbpwith 100k factoids, it shouldn't be that bad03:35
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odin_but like about 5 maemo facts?03:36
* timeless_mbp frowns03:36
odin_infobot how many factiods do you have from #maemo ?03:36
timeless_mbpProteous_: try enabling extras03:37
timeless_mbpsee which version of openssh server you're offered03:37
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timeless_mbpProteous_: the goal here is to install one version (old) of openssh-server03:38
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timeless_mbpthen enable another repository03:38
timeless_mbpand use the 'updates' view03:38
timeless_mbpit should offer an update for openssh-server03:38
prontoi assume you mean me?03:38
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prontotab fail :p03:38
timeless_mbpsorry, it's past 3am03:38
DocScrutinizer51past 2 here03:38
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DocScrutinizer51night fellas03:39
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prontothe has the same version 1:5.1p1-6maemo103:39
prontoerr 5(03:39
timeless_mbppronto: afaik, tools, testing and have different versions03:39
timeless_mbpunless ham is lying to me in some really annoying way03:39
timeless_mbppronto: i'm not picky on the package03:40
timeless_mbpso if you can find something else where you can leverage this, otherwise i'll just setup a pair of repos for testing03:40
timeless_mbpbasically, this is take 203:41
povbot`Bug 5309: Don't show "Update All" if no updates are available03:41
timeless_mbpin take one, 'update all' is always available (or something very close to always)03:41
timeless_mbpin take 2, it's available after you use 'update all' (but before you go 'back')03:41
timeless_mbpbut ... you need to be awake to test this :(03:42
prontoit updates when i edit the cataglogs03:42
timeless_mbpthat's a different 'update'03:43
prontowhen catalog is fremantol tools: for oppenssh server, Available version is 1:5.1p1-2maemo603:44
timeless_mbpthat's 'update repository information' instead of 'update installed packages on device'03:44
timeless_mbpok, so there is a difference?03:44
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prontowhen the normal repos i have are enabled, openssh server has 1:5.1p1-6.maemo503:47
* GeneralAntilles needs to empty a drive to install Windows 7 on. . . .03:47
woglindehm I should go now to sleep I think03:47
prontocatalong maemo.org03:47
woglindeGeneralAntilles why?03:47
GeneralAntilleswoglinde, because I have a Mac Pro and I can. :D03:47
prontotimeless_mbp: yeah, sorry for the confusion03:48
timeless_mbpno problem03:48
GeneralAntilleswoglinde, I might get back into PC gaming a bit.03:48
timeless_mbpham lied to me03:48
timeless_mbpit doesn't show the '1:'03:48
woglindeGeneralAntilles ah thats a good reason03:48
prontoheh, well that shows under details03:48
timeless_mbppronto: ok, so, enable tools, update all03:48
prontowhen you client install, details03:48
prontoman i get odd typos03:48
timeless_mbpyeah yeah03:48
prontowhen the tools repo is on, do i have to disable the other repos?03:49
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prontoclicked the update icon with the tools repo only on03:51
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prontowhen i click the "update all" it says ready to install updates, memory req'd 0kB03:52
matthew-I downloaded maps for ovi03:52
nomisoh wow. hildon.NOTE_TYPE_PROGRESSBAR is totally broken.03:52
timeless_mbppronto: ok03:52
matthew-and now ive got a problem03:52
matthew-as all those tracks lke 'turn left' bla bla bla03:52
timeless_mbpafter it installs, tap the title area03:52
timeless_mbpyou should see 'update all' in the menu03:53
matthew-are in my player :<03:53
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timeless_mbpuse ctrl-shift-p to take a picture03:53
odin_interesting stuff in 'dmesg': UBI: number of bad PEBs: 2, UBI: max/mean erase counter: 39/1003:53
prontoyeah update all is there03:54
timeless_mbppronto: wanna file a bug? :)03:54
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prontonot quite sure what the bug is, but if you need me to i'll get you that screen03:55
timeless_mbppronto: well, is there anything to update? :)03:55
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prontotwo things03:55
prontothat didnt work03:55
pronto"personal-menu" and "sdlquike-mmc1"03:56
prontoboth of the updates say 0 kB though03:56
timeless_mbphrm, confused03:56
timeless_mbpi was hoping you'd use update all to update all (hopefully) 1 items in the list03:56
prontothat personal-menu has always said 0 kB update and never worked03:57
timeless_mbpi'd suggest uninstalling it03:57
matthew-thanks for help...03:57
matthew-also, where is the theme?03:58
matthew-as it's not in 'themes'03:58
timeless_mbptry graphics?03:58
timeless_mbpit's in Desktop03:59
shinkamuikoffice was reeased?03:59
shinkamuiwhere the heck was I03:59
prontotimeless_mbp: removed, now only with the tools repo on,   the update area says no updates alvaible , and there is no "update all"03:59
shinkamuibeen waiting for that, though abiword has kept me happy for the last day or so03:59
matthew-timeless_mbp: what desktop?04:00
timeless_mbpmatthew-: did you install maemo-org or were you looking for it?04:00
matthew-i did install it04:00
matthew-thou cant find a way to activate it04:00
timeless_mbpgo to the desktop04:01
timeless_mbptap the desktop04:01
timeless_mbptap the title area04:01
timeless_mbptap themes or something04:01
shinkamuiI keep seeing the koffice referenced as a "viewer".  does this mean the maemo 5 version doesn't edit documents?04:01
shinkamuianyone use it yet04:01
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matthew-timeless_mbp: it is _not_ in themes :)04:01
shinkamuireally curious about how snappy it is or isnt04:01
prontoshinkamui: when i noticed it said viewer, i didnt bother04:01
timeless_mbpmatthew-: it is for me04:01
timeless_mbppronto: ok, enable the other repo that had the newer version04:02
shinkamuipronto, I thought so too, but in the article they say you can copy and paste from AND to it04:02
timeless_mbpgo to updates04:02
shinkamuithat indicates that it should be an editor04:02
shinkamuiI was thinking maybe some parts are view only, like presentation04:02
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prontoenable myother repos, and disable tools?04:02
matthew-How can I delete themes?04:02
shinkamuihoping someone had actually tried it, Ill just install it as soon as my battery recharges04:02
shinkamuilong freeking day, I was dead by 4:3004:02
timeless_mbppronto: although, for simplicity, i'd prefer if you only enabled *one* other repo04:03
timeless_mbpe.g. maemo.org04:03
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shinkamuipulseaudio is killing my battery.  Every time I check, the process is between 14 and 19 percent.  AND Im in the silent profile to boot04:03
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* timeless_mbp hates users04:04
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* timeless_mbp has had a couple of bugs filed about the same stupid crash04:05
timeless_mbpin about 24 hours04:05
matthew-timeless_mbp: ur on a macbook pro?04:05
matthew-any way of synching mac and n900 yet?04:05
timeless_mbpbut my users are lusers running various flavors of linux04:05
matthew-apart from using google?04:05
timeless_mbpmatthew-: i use MfE04:05
matthew-ah ok04:05
pronto timeless_mbp with only the repo, there are no updatse alvible04:05
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timeless_mbppronto: add testing?04:06
prontois that another repo , or?04:06
timeless_mbppronto: any repo that has the newer version will do04:07
timeless_mbpi just don't want 20 repos enabled :)04:07
prontorepos i have are the defualt nokia, ovi, maemo, my-maemo, applications, extras, maemo extras, maemo extras-devel, fremantle tools ,, atm only is on04:07
matthew-How to delete themes?04:08
timeless_mbpis different from maemo extras?04:08
timeless_mbpmatthew-: themes should be packages04:08
timeless_mbpso you'd use add/remove04:08
matthew-they're not in there.04:08
prontothats respo....maemo/extras04:08
timeless_mbpmatthew-: i presume you're using English (US? UK?)04:08
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timeless_mbppronto: anyway, enable whichever repo you like04:10
GeneralAntillespronto, kill my-maemo.04:10
GeneralAntillespronto, it's evil.04:10
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prontohow is it evil?04:11
AOKso now another problem :-(04:11
GeneralAntillespronto, it's a broken, outdated mirror of stuff.04:11
GeneralAntillespronto, evil.04:11
AOK"cp /hamachi/hamachi /usr/bin/hamachi"04:11
AOK"cp /hamachi/tuncfg /sbin/tuncfg"04:11
AOKon the second one it says no "omitting directory"04:12
timeless_mbpcp -r ?04:12
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AOKIs not a directory error04:12
matthew-ive got this04:12
matthew-and how can i remove it?04:13
pupnikshinkamui: pulseaudio doesn't use cpu unless something is playing audio04:13
AOKcp - r /hamachi/tuncfg /sbin/tuncfg"04:14
AOK.. /sbin/tuncfg/tuncfg is not a directory04:15
AOKtimeless_mbp:  any ideas?04:15
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timeless_mbpls -l /sbin/tuncfg04:15
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AOKyep there are the three files inside04:16
timeless_mbpls -ld /sbin/tuncfg04:17
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timeless_mbpls -ld /hamachi/tuncfg04:17
AOKthe actual problem is another one as it seems04:18
AOKsince those are there04:18
AOKthere is no hamachi-init04:18
AOKin the package04:18
pupnik"More recently, a law is proposed in Italy that requires Internet users to apply for and receive authorization from the Communications Ministry to upload video to Internet sites."04:22
prontoi'm tempted to make a ducttape case for my n90004:22
microlithanyone know how to gethe terminal font size smaller than 6pt?04:22
pupnikwow, apt nickname04:23
prontomicrolith: holy hell do you have mircoscope eyes?04:23
prontomy font for the maemo terminal is 16 :|04:23
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microlithno, the problem is that font size in the maemo terminal is much, much bigger than what is shown in the terminal dialog04:23
microlitha font size of 10 is enormous04:24
GeneralAntillesmicrolith, yeah, X DPI is set to 96. :\04:24
microliththat's... less than half of the actual dpi...04:24
GeneralAntillesYeah, lot less than half04:25
GeneralAntilles~265 or so, I think?04:25
ShadowJKuse the zoom buttons04:25
microlithzoom buttons?04:25
ShadowJKthe rocker switch on top left04:25
microliththank you04:26
* microlith rolls the font size down04:26
GeneralAntillespupnik, remember the DPI04:27
ShadowJKso are you using minimum now? :)04:27
* GeneralAntilles doesn't feel like calculating it at the moment.04:27
ShadowJKmore like 300 on n900 isn't it04:27
microlithShadowJK: no, the font size now matches the font dialog, and it's slightly higher than it was04:27
microlithoverall though, smaller04:27
* ShadowJK can see pixels on n810 but not n900 :/04:27
ShadowJKI think I need glasses now04:28
AOKI have a symlink from hamachi to hamachi-init04:28
AOKbut then cant start it04:28
GeneralAntillesDunno 15:9 ratio, 3.5", 800x48004:28
pupnikincredible dpi. something like 10 pixels per millimeter04:28
GeneralAntillesShadowJK, I love having a device that I can't readily see the pixels on.04:28
AOKit says it can't find it04:29
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AOKAny idea why?04:29
SpeedEvilyeah - 266dpi04:31
ShadowJK"point" is a measure of physical size, not pixel size. And since n900 fakes the dpi, you het a much much smaller font size than the correct size when asking for 10pt font04:31
infobotShadowJK meant: "point" is a measure of physical size, not pixel size. And since n900 fakes the dpi, you get a much much smaller font size than the correct size when asking for 10pt font04:31
* SpeedEvil ponders a USB hot-metal type machine04:31
odin_a point is 1/72 of an inch ?04:32
AOKhow do I edit with VI?04:32
* timeless_mbp sighs04:33
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odin_press ESCAPE then type ":q!" to exit (and find a text editor you can use)04:33
timeless_mbpthey're trying to fit way too much text into way too narrow of a field04:33
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AOKSooo. :-)04:42
AOKI edit it with the commander under root04:42
AOKit worked04:42
AOKthe problem is now04:42
arpwatchAnyone else unable to stream radio on the n900 after the update?  I searched on the forums but didn't find anything definite.04:42
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AOK... /bin/sh: Tuncfg: Permission denied04:43
AOKI have to start tunecfg before everything else04:43
AOKany ideas04:43
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AOKany ideas?04:44
AOKGuys PLS04:44
AOKYou are my saviours so far04:45
AOKthansk to you I did great progress04:45
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* timeless_mbp shrugs04:46
* timeless_mbp doesn't really care04:46
timeless_mbpit's ~5am04:46
AOKGet it04:47
dotblankSo as soon as it becomes 12:00 Eastern im going to buy the n900. Anyone regret buying it or have serious issues or know something I should know?04:48
adalalhow do you play m4b files on an n900?04:48
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dotblankI heard the range on the radio transmitter is fairly limited and it very depeneding on your local04:51
smpsdotblank, gps does not work well without a-gps04:51
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smpsdotblank, range is ok (imho)04:51
pupnikwhy are you considering buying one, dotblank04:51
smpsdotblank, 88 - 107.904:51
dotblanksmps, how is the actual phone part04:51
smpsdotblank, ?04:52
adalaldotblank: you dont need any range higher for the radio transmitter lol04:52
dotblankCan you put the n900 in speaker and have it play over FM?04:52
pupniki can't get a clean signal unless the n900 is immediately next to the radio04:52
pupniki am in a very FM-dense region though04:52
dotblankIt just seems to be a hit or miss for most people04:53
pupnikdotblank: not knowing anything about you, it is not possible to give advice04:53
smpsdotblank, i use it only in my car and its working just fine for me (but my n900 sits 15 cm from radio tho)04:53
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dotblankbut yea im buying it mainly because it seems really easy to develop for. (GTK and python)04:54
smpsbtw. todays hit news :
pupnikif you use linux, the n900 is like a thinkpad in your pocket04:54
smpsyes i like it when i can log into server and quickly change something or check something from xterm on n90004:55
dotblankok me Im a big linux user. I also mess around with nearly all of the application ported thus far. Im a guy that likes to look at the inner workings of a device.04:55
smpsi only miss ipsec/l2tp04:55
pupniki think you'll love it.  the phone is missing some functions i need, but they are fixing that04:55
dotblankBTW any of you tried setting up a network sink for PA over wifi on the device yet?04:55
smps"network sink for pa" ?04:56
pupniknetworked audio04:56
dotblanklike if my home stereo system has a discoverable network server04:57
dotblankif it is a full fledged pulseaudio it should work right?04:57
dotblanknetwork sound server04:57
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smpsdont know never messing with audio04:58
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pupnikshouldn't be too hard - i did streaming audio with 770 for a test04:59
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dotblankalso does the phone have the module module-ladspa-sink? cause if I take that and combine it with AutoTalent( in theory I should be able to AutoTune my voice calls.. which would be very very cool (imho)05:00
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dotblankI could sing "im on a boat" with uncanny precision05:01
* timeless_mbp finds shiny05:03
GeneralAntillesdotblank, lol, awesome.05:04
SpeedEvilAdd a backing drum-track too.05:04
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dotblankyou could also add simple effects and filter out static and such05:04
dotblankAlso very possible to EQ your media05:05
dotblankYou could make your voice sound like god and other nifty tricks05:06
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dotblankIve been saving up a lot of ideas to test on this phone05:07
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arpwatchwhat would be cool is running autotalent realtime and speaking to people like t-pain or cher with the n900.05:09
arpwatchThat is the path I want to see it take.05:09
dotblankI also would like to try and take FUPPES ( so that if I go over to a friends place and he/she has an xbox/ps3/whatever I would be able to spoof a upnp Windows Media Player and thus allow them to play stuff off my phone without any wires05:10
dotblankon the console05:10
arpwatchdang you're full of interesting links05:11
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dotblankI have several other ideas but I cant remember them right now05:11
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dotblankalso that aircrack-ng looks very promising.05:15
SpeedEvildotblank: have anyone in your contacts list with an annoyingly high voice?05:16
SpeedEviltune it down on a per-contact basis05:17
dotblankSo yea im thinking I might actually get it.05:17
dotblankIve been wanting this phone for 3 months05:17
dotblankSpeedEvil, Thats great05:17
dotblank"Um hold on a sec dude, I gotta make your voice less gay... Ok much better"05:18
dotblank"you would make a great darth vader"05:18
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dotblankWhoa i just thought of something... Lets say you have a projector and have it connected via TV-out cable. and someone is standing in front of the projection screen with the n900 filming you. The n900 creates a dynamic chromo key and then (basically) green screens you. But this would look alot nicer because instead of a greanscreen you could have a dynamic pattern05:22
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dotblankActually it have better applications in augmented reality05:26
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dotblankBut yea I like the fact this phone has pulse... there so much you can do with that05:28
dotblankwould be better with jack but oh well05:29
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arpwatchi don't get the green screen want to project the background and film at the same time with the n900?05:30
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dotblankyea but because your doing both you can genereate a pattern that the n900 expects to see..05:31
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dotblankfrom that you can draw 3d objects in the video with proper size and everything05:32
arpwatchok.  that would be really neat.05:32
dotblankyou could also make a really crude 3d scanner05:33
uhsfthe "3d" seems overstatement here05:34
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dotblanknot really you can do this with a sheet of paper05:35
timeless_mbpCatorize is interesting05:36
timeless_mbpJaffa: um05:36
timeless_mbpcatorize is problematic05:37
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, it's awesome!05:38
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: have you tried it with enus1?05:38
timeless_mbpit doesn't wrap long category names05:38
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, you mean the fact that h-d doesn't wrap?05:38
GeneralAntillesI dunno if anybody opened a bug yet.05:38
timeless_mbpi'm about to05:38
GeneralAntillesOn Hildon Desktop, please.05:39
timeless_mbpnot catorize?05:39
GeneralAntillesCatorize just shuffles the .desktop files and such around05:39
GeneralAntillesIt doesn't have any control over how Hildon Desktop displays stuff.05:39
GeneralAntillesWell, you know what I mean.05:39
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timeless_mbpbtw, Maep rocks05:57
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goodwilltimeless_mbp: catorise is still miles better then the default display05:58
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timeless_mbpgoodwill: oh, i'm not arguing that05:58
GeneralAntillesMaybe we can get this in for PR1.2.06:00
GeneralAntillesSomebody poke konttori.06:00
goodwilltimeless_mbp: is it even possible to get hildon desktop to wrap?06:00
timeless_mbpgoodwill: i wouldn't know :)06:00
GeneralAntillesand somebody else con Jaffa into writing a patch.06:00
goodwilltimeless_mbp: I check Pidgin Internet Messenger ... and apparent hildon cuts off strings06:02
goodwilltimeless_mbp: I tested it ... and hildon won't wrap even when you force line break with \n06:03
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goodwillangry birds is really fun06:07
timeless_mbpdoes zootube not support hiding the progress bar?06:15
timeless_mbpthis is annoying06:15
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Testergoodwill: why use pidgin ? you can install "extras pidgin plugins" for the built-in ui...06:16
goodwillTester: OTR06:16
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Proteousstupid +R06:17
goodwilltimeless: its an encryption plugin06:17
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ShadowJKtimeless_mbp: do you never sleep? :-)06:17
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pupnikpeople just don't drink enough coffee06:21
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, hides here.06:21
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, try tapping or something?06:22
pupniksee how fast uae runs GeneralAntilles ?06:22
greenflyI'm hoping for otr support in the default IM client myself, but I'm glad at least pidgin supports it for now06:28
Testerwe're doing a new telepathy api for crypto, but its not goign ot make it into any officiel fremantle release06:30
greenflyahhh ok06:31
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dotblankOk im about to buy it online... any recomendations on where to get it from?06:52
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Smilyright then, anyone knows if it's possible to delete a whole calendar?06:56
greenflydotblank: sometimes has a coupon that gives a good discount06:59
dotblankit ended just a few days + that has tax07:00
Smilyohh found it07:04
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dotblankWell.. I will get my N900 in the mail07:07
dotblankI cant wait07:07
dotblankthese next days are going to suck07:08
pupnikbe thankful you live somewhere where the mail gets delivered reliably.07:10
GeneralAntillespupnik, that's not a thing.07:11
GeneralAntillesThere's no such place. ;)07:11
pupnikeh  ok.07:12
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dotblankHes serious I think07:13
dotblankIve got my sim card waiting to be put into the phone07:13
dotblankall it has to do is get here07:13
GeneralAntillespupnik is always serious.07:14
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pupnikit's just so pretty to see the blinkenlights running !~60fps07:18
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pupnikfor some reason that's what motivates me07:18
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prontoO_o the media player added a whole bunch of stuff i didnt want it to, like random ring tones07:33
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pupnikit comes with the OS07:33
prontonot that stuff, crap from a mirco sd card i have07:34
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pupnikpronto: you can disable it from scanning your microSD07:37
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prontois there a way just to have it scan a list of folders? , like on the device istself i want it to scan /path/to/music  , and on the  mircoSD i want it to only scan a single folder07:38
prontonot disable it 100%07:38
derfpupnik: How do you disable it?07:38
pupniknot sure. let me check07:39
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pupniknope, i don't remember.  this might be interesting -- cat /home/user/.config/user-dirs.dirs07:40
prontolooks like to disable the mircoSD from tracker all togeather its under .config/tracker/tracker.cfg07:44
goodwillaccording to apt-get update fremantle extras and tools repos have an incorrect gpg signature07:45
goodwillanyone knows why?07:45
prontoIndexRemovableMedia=true is default07:45
prontohrm looks like i could add the mirco SD to no watch, and then add a watch to a certain path i wanted on the SD card07:46
pupniksame problem here goodwill07:46
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pupnikBADSIG E40DC434616730BD07:47
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pupniki tend to copy downloaded debs from /var/cache/apt/archives to ~/MyDocs/debs so i can reinstall if needed07:48
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* RST38h yawns widely07:53
pupnikmorning Rhoruns07:53
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RST38hheya pupnik07:55
pupnik that cyclone 68k core is nice07:56
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pupnikok .. audio.cpp and a fresh pot of coffee07:59
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RST38hstill hacking audio?08:04
RST38hand yes, cyclone is the right path to go08:04
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pupnikmost of the time i just spend looking at stuff and being confused08:10
pupnikbut it's fun08:11
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KamuiN900suxorz. koffice on n900 is a viewer only atm08:30
KamuiN900at least we still have abiword...08:31
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slonopotamuserr... KamuiN900 really?08:35
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RST38hAnd I had to uninstall koffice anyway. Very very slow.08:37
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* pupnik loves his trackpoint keyboard08:43
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* RST38h almost lost a finger to trackpoint keyboard once08:46
RST38h--= never again =--08:46
jaskadid it try to nom nom on it?08:46
pupnikneed to adjust sensitivity and use a light touch08:47
RST38hwell, the rubber condom has worn off, and so has a large patch of my skin =)08:48
* RST38h will take a trackpad, at least until the trackballs return to laptops08:49
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pupniki love guessing the exact number of lines to yank in vi08:53
RST38hpupnik: ever though of using pico? =)08:55
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RST38h---> work08:55
pupnikno vi is faster08:56
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redeen900i have a minor problem, my onscreen keyboard has disappeared after a reboot08:57
redeen900it is enabled in settings08:58
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sivangmorning dear community!08:58
Milo-dearling more community08:59
sivangHas anyone managed to use the so called 5mega pixel camera and produce good quality photos with the N900 ?08:59
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sivangMilo-: huh?08:59
thomazsimeoni, try macro mode08:59
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ifreqsivang: yes @outside on good lightning ive done some medium pics08:59
sivangI strongly start to question if it is a really 5mp camera. It produces photos like a 90's poor 640x480 camera09:00
Milo-medium != good09:00
sivangwhich is *highly* disappointing09:00
sivangsorry about the harsh words :)09:00
thomazsivang, it doesn't mean the picture is good, it means the picture is big09:00
slonopotamusthomaz, :D09:00
sivangah , right09:00
sivangwhat about Carl Zeiss09:00
sivangand other markeing talk09:01
ifreqso its big and it has good lens. dunno bout the picture processor09:01
redeen900any ideas on how to fix my osk?09:01
sivangokay , thanks09:01
Milo-carl zeiss doesn't exist09:01
Milo-he is a fictional character09:01
thomazsivang, i took some pictures today, let me show you09:01
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thomazok, i give up... chromium crashed 3 times while trying to upload the picture09:04
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Milo-sshfs <309:05
sivangthomaz: please do09:05
Milo-and scp <309:05
thomazhold on09:05
thomazi think i got it with drag n drop09:05
thomazgtk is seriously messed up09:05
ifreqanyone know is there a ovi suite for osc?09:06
jkimball4what's osx?09:06
thomazterrible quality09:07
ruskiehmm odd... openvpn-applet got lost09:07
ruskiethomaz, hmm did you enable 5MP mode09:08
ruskieit was by default 3.5MP here09:08
sivangthomaz: this is unreal09:08
sivangruskie: I have09:08
thomazi used default widescreen mode09:08
sivangruskie: and I treid in less pixel mode to try make it better09:08
sivangwe have to do something about it09:08
ifreqyeah write some filters09:08
ifreqbuy a decent pocket cam09:08
sivangmy iPhoner friends are starting to make jokes of me trying to evengalize the phone to them :)09:09
sivangifreq: are you suggesting that this is a software issue ?09:09
ifreqnope not saying a word.09:09
ifreqas im not quite interested of the cam feature09:09
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sivangifreq: ah, okay09:09
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sivangifreq: for most of the users it will be of interest09:10
ifreqwell i can take pics to share on social networks09:10
ifreqits decent for that09:10
sivang(the non developers users, and I can't possibly assume that NOkia targets this device to developers only)09:10
ifreqas i dont hafty share them 5MP size09:10
KamuiN900slot, looks it for sure09:10
KamuiN900slot: autocomplete fail09:10
KamuiN900no tab no char09:11
KamuiN900slot: test09:11
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KamuiN900and fail because im stupid09:12
thomazruskie, do you think 5mp mode will give me a better picture?09:12
KamuiN900no such luck. definately read only09:12
ruskiethomaz, well unless the software/hardware does anything special with the extra MPs it probably will a bit09:16
thomazsivang, does the iphone cam take good pictures?09:16
ruskieI don't have atm any good light to take a pic09:17
redeen900its far worse than the n900 cam09:17
redeen900sometimes the n900 cam does great pics09:17
thomazi think it's a matter of practice09:18
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thomazi've seen good pictures with the n90009:18
ruskiewell you do have the half press for focus... which a lot of people seem to miss09:18
ruskieor don't even know about it09:19
threshwell, when the sun is shining, it really does09:19
ruskie <-- N95, N900 -->
ruskieof course hard to compare since one is outside the other inside09:20
ruskieand the one inside I believe was at 3.509:21
ruskiebefore I found out it actually defaults to 3.509:21
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ruskieanyway for the most part I only need the large detail in the pics I take with the N90009:22
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ruskieif I want to actually get some decent shots I'll grab my DSLR09:22
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thomazruskie, thanks for the half press focus, i didn't know that09:23
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ifreqheres with 5MP on good lightning:
ifreqthought its been resized with the ovi service :P09:24
threshnow why did i open vacation photos, i want to go to mountains again09:25
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sivangthomaz: yes, I have a friend who likes to show them off when I tell him he can't see flash :-)09:26
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redeen900anyone that can help me get the onscreen keyboard back? it is enables in settings09:27
pupnik  more nice n900 pics09:27
sivangruskie: you in russia ?09:27
sivangruskie: that photo you sent seems to have HUngarian writing09:28
sivangredeen900: how do you try to bring it on?09:28
redeen900sivang: like i always did, press in an input field09:28
thomazhere's the magic of half press focus... before >> and after >>
sivangredeen900: and the physical kbd is closed ?09:28
redeen900it stopped working after a reboot09:29
redeen900yes yes09:29
ruskiesivang, no09:29
threshsivang: i am in Russia09:29
sivangredeen900: hmm, at certain input fields it takes more time or more cliks from my experience09:29
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redeen900sivang: i have used the phoene before, the keyboard never appears now09:30
sivangruskie: ah, okay09:30
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ruskiesivang, and where the h... do you see any hungarian writting on that???09:32
threshyeah looks slovenian:)09:33
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sivangruskie: I got confused, too early09:36
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redeen900this is really annoying, and ofc it happens on the day i actually need my phone alot09:37
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sivangredeen900: what happens if you re-reboot ?09:37
redeen900i already tried that09:39
redeen900it changes nothing09:39
sivangredeen900: backup ?09:39
sivangredeen900: I always make backups before I install new apps when I first use an N90009:40
redeen900i have not installed anything new09:40
redeen900and im not home so i cant reflash, but obviously it should be solvable without that09:41
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redeen900hello danielwilms09:42
redeen900you wouldnt by an off chance happen to know anything about the onscreen keyboard? ;)09:43
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redeen900gonna try rebooting again09:46
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redeen900ok i fixed it09:51
sivangredeen900: how?09:51
redeen9002 sec09:51
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redeen900i disabled it, restarted, then enabled, and restarted09:52
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sivanghas anyone managed to actually connecto to a GPS ?10:03
sivangsince I got the It failed in all the attempts.10:03
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sivangadeus: I wonder if my phone is just factory damanged10:04
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pupniksivang: gps with tiny radios is hit-and-miss.  n900 is fast with agps.10:11
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pupniksometimes i just don't get a lock without the cellular connection10:12
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prontothe GPS on the n900 works here, it got me with in feet of where i was a few times  (my two HTC phones would get like 100 to 200 feet off at best)10:14
threshlucky you10:16
threshi never got it to work without data connection :(10:16
prontooh w/o data connection?, i havent tried that10:16
threshyeah it's an issue when you're in roaming you know :)10:16
prontoi have an ulimited data plan10:16
prontoso meh10:16
adeusunlimited roaming plan10:17
adeusthat sounds good :)10:17
prontobut now that you say you're trying to get it w/o data connection, how did you get the maps on your device itself?10:17
prontobecause sient it downloading the map data as well?10:17
prontonever had a roaming issue ever10:17
prontosince i dont use my phone international , i don't have to worry about roaming10:18
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pupnikpronto: you are using agps, not gps10:21
sivangpupnik: agps is using a data connection instead of the GPS to do location pointing ?10:23
sivangpupnik: tried it, with Maep, doesn't work10:23
sivangpupnik: how do you ask Maep to give you directions?10:24
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pupnikspeak loudly and slowly "maep, where do i go now?"10:25
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Stskeepssivang: no, AGPS can get a quick fix with celluar stuff, but it also helps kickstart real GPS fixes.10:27
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ColdFyreis anyone using tmobile with fmms?10:35
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RST38hAnyone knows if Maep author visits here?10:50
Stskeepsisn't it till?10:51
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guerbyhi, anyone knows the AT command to get SIM phonebook? AT+CPBR=1,10 does not work10:54
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timeless_mbpguerby: addressbook, menu, groups, sim card contacts10:57
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guerbytimeless_mbp, yep but not all entries from my previous phone are shown that's why I wanted to check low level10:58
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guerbytimeless_mbp, may be I didn't sync properly SIM from my previous phone (Nokia 6086) let me check10:59
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guerbyhmm I always feel like I'll break something when opening the N90011:02
guerbyI wonder how long the small plastic thing will hold11:02
Stskeepsthe slider?11:03
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Stskeepsif it's anything like the n810, practically unbreakable :P11:03
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sivangStskeeps: I should do some more reading on that wikipedia page then :)11:04
sivangguerby: does the machine gets AT commands?11:04
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sivangit has been a while since I heared that term :)11:05
sivangreminds me of the BBS days11:05
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guerbyStskeeps, no the battery access11:07
Stskeepsguerby: ah11:07
guerbyStskeeps, the keyboard slider is not an issue :)11:07
guerbyStskeeps, I have a N810 too :)11:07
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aepit isn't? feels like it's quite loose. hard to press down with only one finger, since it tilts11:10
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tk421i like the way it clicks when i open it11:14
guerbytimeless_mbp, ok I just didn't save all contacts to the SIM in my previous phone11:15
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timeless_mbpuser error?11:15
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guerbynow I just have some cut names but I guess it's a SIM limitation11:15
guerbytimeless_mbp, yes11:15
timeless_mbpyes, sim limit11:16
timeless_mbpwhy did you use sim for transfer?11:16
timeless_mbpyou should be able to Import via bluetooth11:16
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guerbytimeless_mbp, yep should have worked as well11:27
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timeless_mbpso, you'll get less dataloss (hopefully none) if you do that11:27
timeless_mbpcould i please get you to try? :)11:27
timeless_mbpif it doesn't work, then we have a bug which needs to be reported, and if it does, you get better data fidelity :)11:27
guerbytimeless_mbp, it will probably create conflict havoc if I reimport via bluetooth11:28
timeless_mbpturn off your presence accounts, and delete your contacts (you imported everything from the sim, right?)11:29
timeless_mbpheck you can create a backup of your contacts using the backup app first :)11:29
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fluxis there a command line clipboard manipulation tool for maemo5 around?11:34
adeussomething beyond xterm does?11:35
fluxsomething like what xclip does11:35
fluxxclip -i < foo -> puts contents of foo into clipboard11:36
alteregoSlight learning curve between N8X0 and N90011:36
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alteregoBut it's quite nice.11:36
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Stskeepsgave in, alterego?11:36
alteregoMy brother loaned me his (hesitantly) for a few days so I could do some testing.11:36
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alteregoI'm going to wait to see if I get anything out of the DDP first11:37
* alterego crosses fingers.11:37
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Stskeepsif you have luck this late in the process, let me know :P11:38
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alteregoStskeeps: I think Quim is negotiating "key members with low karma" devices ;)11:39
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alteregoThough, I'll be lucky if I'm perceived as a "key member" tbh11:40
alteregoBut I might as well try11:40
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Stskeepsmorning andre__ :)11:51
dagbseeing how this channel is fairly quiet now: anyone who cares to provide real-life experiences on battery consumption on the n900? how often do you need to charge it, and how do you use it?11:51
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guerbyhmmm is there a way to copy/paste from a received email? nothing I tried works. I didn't even find a way to save a message as text file11:52
andre__ahoj Stskeeps11:53
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adeusguerby, the only way I've figured out is to reply11:55
MohammadAGguerby, reply then copy from there11:55
adeusand copy from the box11:55
guerbyadeus, MohammadAG copy doesn't seem to work when I reply at least with the stylus, did you use keys?11:56
MohammadAGshift + cursors11:57
guerbyMohammadAG, ok thanks it works11:57
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MohammadAGnp, if only i could get rid of the >11:58
tk421anyone heard of something that allows me to use keys to switch between screens?11:58
alteregotk421: you mean the "virtual home screens"?11:59
tk421like ctrl backspace goes back to the apps running11:59
tk421ctrl up and down could take me to desktop and settings12:00
guerbyMohammadAG, timeless_mbp
povbot`Bug 5033: Select/Copy text within email is nonintuitive/broken12:00
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guerbystill open so no fix expected12:00
MohammadAGwhy isn't povbot working?12:01
povbot`Bug 5033: Select/Copy text within email is nonintuitive/broken12:01
timeless_mbpguerby: um, well, yeah, um12:01
* timeless_mbp shrugs12:01
* timeless_mbp works on browser12:01
timeless_mbpthe mail team is different12:01
timeless_mbpheck, i don't know where they live! :)12:01
timeless_mbpi spend more time talking to the MfE team12:02
timeless_mbpthey're much more responsive :)12:02
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Robot101there should be a modest irc channel somewhere, no?12:03
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MohammadAG#modest maybe?12:03
guerbytimeless_mbp, BTW on browser do you know how to right click?12:03
MohammadAGyep #modest but it's kinda empty lol12:04
MohammadAGonly 3 users there12:04
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timeless_mbpguerby: tap and hold12:05
guerbytimeless_mbp, doesn't work on google maps when I activate the "crossed arrow" mode12:06
* fcrozat wishes there was a shortcut to close a fullscreen browser window12:06
guerbydon't remember the name in  the manual12:06
guerbyto have a regular mouse12:06
timeless_mbpfcrozat: ctrl-backspace? tap power key?12:06
MohammadAGguerby, why would you need to right click in arrow mode?12:07
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guerbyMohammadAG, to get a context menu in google maps12:07
timeless_mbpguerby: i get that when in normal mode12:07
MohammadAGuse it in normal mode12:07
timeless_mbpsurely it won't kill you to swap modes12:07
fcrozattimeless_mbp: Ctrl-backspace will return me to applications list (so two keys) and requires sliding keyboard. Isn't power key / terminate a little to much to kill the window ? (I haven't tested)12:07
timeless_mbpfcrozat: yes it12:08
guerbyMohammadAG, in normal mode I get "copy image" menu from browser12:08
timeless_mbpit's supposed to be 'close active window' not 'kill the app brutally'12:08
guerbynot the context menu from google maps12:08
fcrozatthis is a little problematic when using portrait (unsupported) mode with new windows opened (by google reader for instance)12:08
MohammadAGfcrozat, download camerad12:08
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fcrozatMohammadAG: still two clicks :) (but I thought about it and it seems it was causing my n900 to become a little unstable)12:09
timeless_mbpfcrozat: konttori wants to enable the title bar for portrait mode12:09
guerbytimeless_mbp, so normal mode tap and hold doesn't work on google maps to get right click12:09
timeless_mbpguerby: WFM12:09
timeless_mbpfcrozat: not sure if we'll manage to get that into the browser too for 1.212:09
MohammadAGi prefer the bug to make the n900 go it portrait mode12:09
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MohammadAGat least you get the title bar12:10
fcrozattimeless_mbp: that would be good, but it would still requires two clicks (either portrait or landscape) ;)12:10
MohammadAGand the bottom bar12:10
fcrozatfunny, I can't get star to work in google reader iphone view, in portrait mode12:10
guerbytimeless_mbp, you get the context menu from google when you leave the stylet on a point for a while?12:10
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guerbyI wonder what I do wrong12:10
timeless_mbpguerby: i use my fingernail, but..12:10
timeless_mbpabout 2s12:11
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MohammadAGbe sure to see it highlight before holding12:11
guerbyfor me image blurs then I get "copy image" and "save image as" menu12:11
MohammadAGyou might be holding an empty area12:11
fcrozattimeless_mbp: hmm, using power key, it killed all browser windows :(12:11
timeless_mbpguerby: you are using 51-1, right?12:12
timeless_mbpfcrozat: 'oops' ;-)12:12
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* fcrozat smells "killall browserd" somewhere :)12:12
guerbytimeless_mbp, 2.2009.51-112:12
timeless_mbpfcrozat: nah, that wouldn't work12:12
timeless_mbpmore like killall browser12:13
timeless_mbpfcrozat: i'll poke someone about that today12:13
fcrozatis there a "go to top / bottom page" shortcut for browser ?12:13
timeless_mbpbut feel free to file a bug saying that 'close active window' isn't doing what it says12:13
fcrozatkinetic scrolling can be very long sometime :)12:14
* fcrozat opens a bug report for the "close active task"12:14
MyrttiFun sitting at the lobby, first time on personal business12:14
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timeless_mbpMyrtti: you @nokia?12:15
aephm, can you disable kinetic scrolling?12:15
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timeless_mbpaep: no12:15
guerbytimeless_mbp, well I don't know what I do wrong but I always get the image menu12:15
timeless_mbpMyrtti: waiting for a lunch mate?12:16
* timeless_mbp wouldn't mind dropping by to say hello12:16
* timeless_mbp is 10mins away12:16
MyrttiI have an appointment of being a guinea pig of some kind :-(12:16
* Stskeeps will have a thursday with first a haircut and then dentist. so lovely.12:17
MyrttiNo familiar faces seen yet. Im surprised12:18
Stskeepseven though longer hair might be nice to stand finnish winter next week12:18
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MyrttiHair is overrated12:19
fcrozatfilled as bug #830612:20
povbot`Bug choosing "stop active task" in power menu kills all browser window12:20
guerbytimeless_mbp, about: says MicroB 3.6 maemo browser 1.5.6 RX-51 N90012:20
timeless_mbpguerby: sorry, i just moved aware from 51-1 last night12:20
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timeless_mbpbut i know it worked12:20
timeless_mbpone thing i should ask:12:21
timeless_mbphave you installed *any* browser related packages?12:21
timeless_mbpbrowser user agent changers / forgers12:21
timeless_mbpbrowser switchboard12:21
fralsStskeeps: he. also got dentist appointment, next tuesday though. >_<12:22
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Stskeepsfrals: i have four wisdom teeth in queue for being taken out, so i hope my dentist doesn't get funny ideas12:23
hrwtimeless_mbp: does future brings something working better?12:23
* fcrozat really needs to find time to remap some dead keys to physical qwerty for french accentuated letters12:23
timeless_mbphrw: gecko1.9.212:23
hrwtimeless_mbp: nice12:24
timeless_mbpand apparently string changes that i haven't handled12:24
* timeless_mbp grumbles and goes to figure out which way to handle them12:24
sivangStskeeps: I have 2 of them, locked between others, terribly painful12:25
timeless_mbpfcrozat: all i want is a way to replace GBP w/ PIPE12:25
sivangStskeeps: the proble with the removal is that it damages the jaw structure, and can have side effects at an older age to come.12:25
sivanghey timeless_mbp12:25
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Stskeepssivang: mine is pushing out another corner teeth which i really don't want to have damaged too badly as i plan to eat steak for many years to come12:26
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fcrozattimeless_mbp: not a bad idea either :)12:26
fcrozatshould I fill a enhancement request for Ctrl-Up / Ctrl-Down to go top / bottom of web page ?12:27
fcrozatseems sensible12:27
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timeless_mbpfcrozat: so...12:28
sgbirchHow do you find the EXACT source used to build packages released from extras-testing?12:28
timeless_mbpup/down don't exist on most keyboards12:28
timeless_mbpsgbirch: you don't12:28
sgbirchId like to look at pwsafe12:28
timeless_mbpat least, it doesn't really work that way12:28
fcrozattimeless_mbp: damn.. I forgot12:29
timeless_mbpfor extras, you can find the builder logs12:29
timeless_mbpand see which packages it pulled in12:29
fcrozatpoor users12:29
X-Fadesgbirch: apt-get source?12:29
fcrozatctrl-left / Ctrl-right then ? (not very pretty)12:29
timeless_mbpif the package is in 'free' instead of 'non-free', then in general, the sources should be in the repo12:29
timeless_mbpError: could not open file for reading, trying lower image quality format!? $@$@$12:30
* timeless_mbp wtfs12:30
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: the source repos dont seem to be set up, apt-get source fails12:30
guerbyMohammadAG, do you get the "direction from here" google menu when you're holding the stylus on one point?12:30
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timeless_mbpsgbirch: yeah well, you have to add them12:30
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: the reason for this .. I want to know if I can trust pwsafe with bank account numberfs12:30
timeless_mbp /etc/apt.d/sources.list.d/12:30
timeless_mbpjust add a file12:30
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sgbirchtimeless_mbp: was that a typo .. should it be /etc/apt/sources.list.d/   (no .d after apt)12:32
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timeless_mbpwell, thougho12:32
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sgbirchtimeless_mbp: would "deb-src fremantle free non-free" be correct?12:34
timeless_mbpsounds right12:34
timeless_mbpdon't forget to specify the version you care about when you get source12:35
timeless_mbpbecause you want to check the version you're using, not some other one :)12:35
MohammadAGguerby, lol no, it's not working anymore12:35
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guerbyMohammadAG, you get blur then the copy image browser menu?12:35
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: hmm .. I didnt realize you had to do that, what is "the other one"12:36
MohammadAGthe context menu yes12:36
MohammadAGin arrow mode it doesn't do anything12:36
X-Fadesgbirch: You can browse it with your browser too.12:36
timeless_mbpsgbirch: well, consider that if you install version 1.012:36
guerbyMohammadAG, ok so you don't get the google context menu "direction from here" etc...12:36
timeless_mbpand then 1.1 is added to the repo, and it has a conflict or something12:36
guerbyI wonder what trigger the behaviour12:36
timeless_mbpif you apt-get source, you'll get 1.112:36
sgbirchThe installed version has a 'f' postfix, was not sure why12:37
MohammadAGnomis, the system context menu12:37
* timeless_mbp frowns12:37
timeless_mbpyou guys aren't getting the google maps menu?12:37
timeless_mbpi got it consistently while using 51-112:37
sgbirchpwsafe 1.5.5f ...12:37
sgbirchI expected 1.5.512:37
redcan u guy see this?12:38
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, in normal/arrow mode?12:38
timeless_mbpred: no12:38
reddamn, registration didn't work12:38
guerbytimeless_mbp, I've never been able to get the google context menu whatever I do12:38
timeless_mbpred: if your message is rejected, the irc server will give you an error message12:38
guerbynormal mode arrow mode whatever12:38
MohammadAGdo i have to be zoomed in or something?12:38
timeless_mbpguerby: i'll have to go find an n900 w/ 51-1 :(12:38
timeless_mbpbut this really does work12:38
timeless_mbpi was using it for >1month12:39
redtimeless_mbp: it will unless you've hidden most things that show up in status to see relevant stuff easy12:39
guerbytimeless_mbp, do you want me to open a bug?12:39
timeless_mbp(on 51-1)12:39
timeless_mbpguerby: no12:39
timeless_mbpred: well, don't do that =b12:39
redtimeless_mbp: and well, i've disabled some semi-relevant stuff on the side but cba to tweak12:39
guerbytimeless_mbp, uh ok12:39
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HukkaHey, any debian users around willing to test one thing in pysqlite2?12:39
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timeless_mbpguerby: so, you really don't have any browser addons?12:39
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MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, it's not working here too12:40
guerbytimeless_mbp, absolutely none (I refrained from installing adblock)12:40
guerby(to test the browser)12:40
sgbirchHukka: would ubuntu be ok?12:40
guerbytimeless_mbp, about:plugins says only "default plug-in"12:41
timeless_mbpanyway, i'll be in the office w/in about 2hours, i'll hunt for a device and play then12:41
Hukkasgbirch: No, I'm on ubuntu, and I'd like to test if debian has same kind of problem12:41
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sgbirchHukka: oh .. ok12:41
timeless_mbpguerby: there are extensions, hacks, and plugins12:41
timeless_mbpplugins are unlikely to be interesting12:41
timeless_mbpextensions and hacks are12:41
guerbytimeless_mbp, let me check12:41
Hukkasgbirch: There's a bug report that says it's fixed in debian, so I'm wondering if it just hasn't propagated to Ubuntu yet12:41
timeless_mbptap the title bar, options(settings?), addons,12:42
timeless_mbptap the extensions icon12:42
pupnikdammit cavity12:42
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guerbytimeless_mbp, atlas default mediaplayer nokia messagebus shockwave12:43
bionoidAnyone else experienced a crazy bug on N900 with device lock on and incoming call while playing music? My phone went absolutely nuts, blinking between the unlock screen, answer call screen and black. I managed to hit answer (without unlocking), but music kept blasting and no audio from the caller.12:43
bionoidI can't seem to reproduce it though :/12:44
guerbyextensions: single sign on ovi12:44
guerbytimeless_mbp, nothing else12:44
timeless_mbpanyway, i can't do anything until i get another n90012:44
timeless_mbpso it'll take 2 hours12:44
guerbytimeless_mbp, ok no hurry12:45
guerbyI'll be on the road and without 3G until late today12:45
HukkaGrah, the debian package wants python << 2.6. Why?!12:45
HukkaCan't just install it to Karmic12:45
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sgbirchtimeless_mbp: still trying to add the source repo, it complains that public key isnt available: 667387BFFF445C2412:51
timeless_mbpdo you care?12:51
timeless_mbpif you do, ask a wiki and decide if you trust the wiki12:51
* timeless_mbp shrugs12:51
timeless_mbpyou're being paranoid in a way which is going to fail anyway12:52
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sgbirchtimeless_mbp: yes ... its part paranoid but mainly learning curve. I want to learn more about the way the n900 source is stored.12:53
timeless_mbp"in hidden repositories between a build system which is entirely illogical"12:53
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: I am thinking of helping port some packages from debian to increase the package count12:53
timeless_mbpuseful packages or just stacking the count?12:53
* timeless_mbp is still annoyed at someone stacking the CVE count for no good reason12:54
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: hidden repos ... really, are you sure12:54
timeless_mbpsgbirch: most of the maemo5 ui is hidden :)12:54
timeless_mbpthe vcs for maemo5 code is generally not public12:54
timeless_mbpsgbirch: my sources for my interesting packages aren't published (i have reasons)12:54
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: I am starting to discover that. I cant believe Nokia has come so far ... and dropped the ball12:54
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: the n900 could become the ubuntu of phones12:55
threshoh noes12:55
* Stskeeps gets the popcorn12:55
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: by that I mean .. popularity12:55
w00tused by a majority of an overly vocal minority, you mean?12:55
timeless_mbpsgbirch: so...12:56
fralslol w00t12:56
timeless_mbpwe have way more customers than nokia management knows what to do with12:56
timeless_mbpc.f. the availability shortage earlier12:56
timeless_mbpand the perennial server shortages12:57
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GeneralAntillesWhat an awful affliction.12:57
GeneralAntilles(death to the dinosaurs)12:57
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: you mean production cannot keep up with demand?12:57
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: on the hardware side?12:57
timeless_mbpinitial production was throttled / limited12:57
timeless_mbpbecause management didn't think there'd be demand12:57
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: lmao12:58
timeless_mbpthey got the message, but it takes a bit to fix that (about 2months to get the trickle down i suppose)12:58
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: this has the potential to be the best damn phone ever made12:58
Stskeepsbesides the first phone?12:58
sgbirchStskeeps: Come here watson ... yes12:58
* timeless_mbp pokes sgbirch in private12:59
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: but while they fix production shortfalls we can be working on the software12:59
timeless_mbpsgbirch: yeah, hence i'm testing 1.2's browser13:00
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: maybe Nokia doesnt realize how productive and FREE a motivated community can be13:00
Stskeepssgbirch: they have several years of experience in that13:00
Stskeepsit isn't always pretty13:00
* GeneralAntilles is inclined to blame management.13:00
sgbirchStskeeps: They are SO close13:00
Stskeepssgbirch: they state 80% open, 20% closed for the platform13:00
Stskeepswhich is fair, since they have to make money13:01
murraycandre__: What bugzilla product should I use to file a bug about the swipe-to-close clock. It doesn't show the time when using some themes, because the foreground and background colors are the same.13:01
timeless_mbpmurrayc: that'd be a bug in the theme, no?13:01
sgbirchStskeeps: That is fine, dont have a problem with that13:01
murrayctimeless_mbp: Maybe. But I think apps should be aware of the colors imposed on them by the theme, maybe via platform API.13:01
Stskeepssgbirch: so, what do you mean by ubuntu? :P13:01
sgbirchStskeeps: I WANT them to make money and dont mind helping for free13:02
timeless_mbpmurrayc: and do what, work against the theme?13:02
sgbirchStskeeps: Even though my day job is integrating software on Ubuntu13:02
timeless_mbpwhat if a themer *wants* to hide something? :)13:02
Stskeepssgbirch: and what's keeping you?13:02
* andre__ wonders what swipe-to-close bug is13:02
Stskeeps(i'm not here to discuss, i'm here to help you doing so)13:02
sgbirchStskeeps: Nothing, I am starting up the learning curve13:02
redtimeless_mbp: kinda funny about the demand. have a friend still waiting for N900 and he ordered two days later than I did.13:02
redand I've had mine for month and 10 days :)13:03
murrayctimeless_mbp,: I don't know what the documented thing to do is, but I can imagine either a) the theme tells the app what foreground color to use. b) The app discovers the background color and choose an apppriate foreground color.13:03
andre__murrayc: try Desktop / Themes13:03
Stskeepssgbirch: is always a good place to start :)13:03
murraycandre__: What if I think that the app should work with all themes?13:03
sgbirchStskeeps: my first baby step is to set up the apt so I can apt-get source13:03
timeless_mbpmurrayc: basically, themebuilder is or whichever template a theme is using is responsible for explaining to themers how things work13:03
sgbirchStskeeps: git is my friend13:03
aepis the menu hardcoded or can i change that via some config?13:04
andre__murrayc, actually I still don't know what app you talk about, hence file a ticket with steps, and we'll see :)13:04
timeless_mbpaep: system menu is an xml backed thing13:04
timeless_mbpthere's an addon for turning on/off the phone module13:04
aepeww, sounds like not configurable13:04
timeless_mbpoh, it's pluggable13:04
sgbirchStskeeps: Wow.  What is that site for, it looks great13:04
timeless_mbpworks quite nicely13:04
murraycandre__: The clock with the swipe bar when you just press the power key when the N900 is sleeping13:04
Stskeepssgbirch: it's where maemo is openly developed13:04
Stskeepswell, one of the spots13:05
murraycandre__: Which took me weeks to even discover.13:05
GeneralAntillesUnlock screen.13:05
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aepuh i just got the main menu and more.. displayd the same time. oO13:06
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GeneralAntillesaep, known bug.13:07
GeneralAntillesaep, was improved in PR1.1.13:07
aepok good.13:07
GeneralAntillesBut not actually fixed like they asserted.13:07
aeperr but how do i make it go away? heh13:08
aeprestart i guess13:08
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GeneralAntillesbug #636113:09
povbot`Bug 'base' and 'more' applications are visible sametime (messed)13:09
* GeneralAntilles prods povbot`.13:10
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Not registered? :)13:10
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sgbirchIn Nokia still working on the bluetooth issue? seems like the stack still has problems13:11
infobotsgbirch meant: Is Nokia still working on the bluetooth issue? seems like the stack still has problems13:11
* RST38h reYawns13:11
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sgbirchwhat is the correct/recommended way for a user to disconnect a bt device?  Should the device simply be powered down or must it be disconnected using the n900 menus first?13:14
lcuktimeless, did i see you embedded in a meeting yesterday13:15
sgbirchI ask because my Nokia bt speakers are a bit temperamental. Id like to just turn them off13:15
pekujaI think the nature of the beast is such that since the devices can't count on a constant connection anyhow, you should be able to just turn them off, I think13:16
RST38hpower it down and n900 will disconnect it after a while13:16
RST38hor disconnect it through the top menu13:16
pekujaI mean, for the N900 the result would be the same if you just carried the speakers out of range13:16
sgbirchok .. thanks13:16
sgbirchpr1.1 is much better with bt, but not yet perfect13:17
lcukRST38h, moo!13:17
sgbirchbefore pr1.1 you could disconnect by just using them :-)13:17
RST38hheya lcuk13:17
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RST38h"I thought i heard somewhere you could charge the n900 using the old nokia chargers through the audio out?" Join datew: Jan 201013:18
RST38hIs it me getting older or them getting dumber?13:18
aeptell them you can also charge it by running in circles screaming "IMA CHICKEN"13:19
X-FadeThat is a nice way to blow things up ;)13:19
alteregoI was thinking to my self, "Wow, the file manager is aweful". But then I thought, actually, it's probably good enough for a normal "user" it's pretty similar to the built in S60 one really.13:19
alteregoI'd like it to (when going up) to act more like a back and move the list to where it was before.13:20
RST38h"Haha, that won't work, that would require the audio-jack to have a pin in the middle... And it won't." Join Date: Dec 200913:20
lcukalterego, check for bugs then13:20
lcukand file if not13:20
GeneralAntillesalterego, by the way, Ah ha ha @ borrowing your brother's N900.13:20
RemosiRST38h, Geniuses!13:20
lcukRST38h, induction13:20
sgbirchRST38h: Cant you just wire a 3.5mm jack to a wall plug and not bother with a transformer?  I am sure that would work. :)13:20
RST38hlcuk: no shit...13:21
RST38hsgbirch: no need for jacks, your body is a good enough electricity conductor13:21
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sgbirchRST38h: lol13:21
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hrwalterego: s60 filemanager is useful. maemo5 one is useless13:21
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RST38hs60 filemanager useful? noooo13:22
hrwalterego: on s60 (v3fp1) I can check all dirs of internal storage and memory card. under maemo5 I cannot go below ~user/13:22
alteregohrw: you're kidding? The inbuilt S60 filemanager? It's pretty much the same functionality as the maemo one ..13:22
RST38hhrw: But really, why don't you implement your own or port an existing one (like Roxfiler) correctly?13:22
hrwRST38h: thinking of it - time limits13:23
RST38hlots of people will be grateful13:23
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alteregoI was going to make a "PowerFileManager" application myself actually.13:23
hrwroxfiler is no no for me. even when I used it I patched half of it out13:23
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lcuki cant imagine my mum ever needing to browse the contents of /etc or something, let alone explain why she cant do anything with the contents there anyway13:23
aepthere is mc for those who like menu thingies13:23
hrwalterego: build pcmanfm?13:23
alteregoYeah, that might work13:24
hrwI wonder will ~user/MyDocs/.umbaumba/ will be shown by maemo5 'files' as Umbaumba dir ;D13:24
hrwand no, I do not want to check it13:24
alteregoNo, it's not a "special" dir.13:24
pupnik_file browser not going above MyDocs is a feature13:25
hrwI hate maemo5 special dirs13:25
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hrwpupnik_: I have a dir in ~user/13:25
alteregopupnik_: I agree, the built in file manager should be "shit" from our perspectives.13:25
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RST38hhrw: just stay away from emelfm please13:25
RST38hhrw: pcmanfm may work well13:25
timeless_mbplcuk: hrm13:26
timeless_mbpme, in a meeting13:26
timeless_mbpoh wait, you're around aren't you13:26
alteregoAgreed, I'll look into porting it this evening.13:26
timeless_mbp~let's get together, yeah, yeah, yeah~13:26
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sgbirchis there a way to make a n900 speak irc traffic as it comes in (using espeak)13:28
wazdheya all13:28
timeless_mbpsgbirch: out of the box the n900 doesn't do irc :)13:28
wazd <- eeew13:29
timeless_mbpso you're basically asking "can xchat, pidgin, or some third party addon do it"13:29
timeless_mbpwazd: what's wrong w/ that?13:29
lcuktimeless, heh yeah im here till the end of the week13:29
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: I was thinking maybe xchat -> expeak13:29
timeless_mbplcuk: did you grab lunch?13:29
* timeless_mbp could use lunch13:29
lcukyes, too late, lunched already.13:30
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: so, that "Phone" is under "Network" in catorize13:30
wazdtimeless_mbp: well, looks like a mess :) I'm thinking of writing a blogpost with improvements13:30
timeless_mbpis going to take a lot of getting used to13:30
timeless_mbpwazd: good luck with that13:30
timeless_mbpif this is the same group i'm thinking of13:30
timeless_mbpi sent them feedback and nothing happened13:30
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sgbirchtimeless_mbp: yes .. that is correct .. I am asking if xchatm pidgin or some third part addon can do speak irc traffic13:31
pupniksurely irssi can with some plugin13:31
* timeless_mbp pokes telepathy/sophia-sip13:32
* timeless_mbp can't hear a ringing tone13:32
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aepumm where is the users "Audio CLips"  directory?  (anything that media player finds works for me)13:33
timeless_mbpaep: anything in ~/MyDocs is indexed13:33
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Stskeepsmorn javispedro13:34
aepwhere is it anyway? ;)13:35
timeless_mbp~/MyDocs/.audio iirc13:35
aepah dot oO13:35
timeless_mbpsorry ~/MyDocs/.sounds13:35
aepyeah. just didnt think it has a dot. seeing them all now13:36
timeless_mbpyou can read the irc logs for my explanation of why it is the way it is13:36
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pupniki have a couple thousand files under ~/MyDocs - do not want it all to be crawled13:37
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timeless_mbpthere's a tracker config file you can use to tell it not to look at certain files13:39
* timeless_mbp wonders how to find a 'welho' bill in an online system13:40
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timeless_mbpnice, my card transactions are hidden elsewhere13:42
pupniklooks to me like tracker.cfg does not scann all of MyDocs, but instead specific .* directories13:42
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Stskeepstimeless_mbp: central metro station is still FUBAR?13:43
timeless_mbpStskeeps: it isn't scheduled to open for a while13:43
timeless_mbpit was still dead on monday :)13:43
* Stskeeps notes himself to take a taxi13:43
timeless_mbpStskeeps: from airport?13:43
Stskeepsbus from airport, taxi to hotel13:44
timeless_mbpwhere's your hotel, when do you arrive?13:44
timeless_mbpoh darn, it's lunch time13:44
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: I am trying to find your discussion about the n900 dot decision, is there an faq on it?13:44
Stskeepswell, i can always walk but at that point i'll be trying to deal with the cold :P13:44
timeless_mbpsgbirch: only in that i've repeatedly explained it here13:44
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lcukStskeeps, which hotel are you in13:44
timeless_mbpi'll probably stick it into my blog someday13:45
Stskeepslcuk: will be in omena/eerinkatu13:45
sgbirchtimeless_mbp: PLEASE!!!  Then next time some noob like me asks you can just send the url13:45
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X-FadeStskeeps: I use that one all the time. Works fine.13:45
StskeepsX-Fade: yeah, my third visit :P13:45
X-FadeStskeeps: And free internet now ;)13:45
StskeepsX-Fade: yeah, i noticed that13:46
X-FadeStskeeps: And on a good day you can even walk to nrc ;)13:47
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RST38hNew Vulture's Eye is out, please, test and vote:
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javispedrohm.. transifex looks nice14:05
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xorAxAxgoogle patented map/reduce14:13
xorAxAxso stop selling software written in functional languages :)14:13
Myrttidear twitter. could you please clean up your act so I can get things over with and go home?14:15
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javispedroxorAxAx: Palm,Inc. has a patent on garbage collection, so ....14:19
Shrik3ah, software patents14:19
Shrik3they make life exciting14:19
xorAxAxjavispedro: which way of GC?14:20
Shrik3lessee what the apple vs nokia kerfuffle results in14:20
alteregoI have to say, I'm extremely happy with the N900, I wish I had my own now :(14:20
javispedroxorAxAx: actually I just remember it's not about GC but rather plain dynamic memory allocation14:21
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alteregoI'm gonna have to give this one back to my brother in a couple of days, I'll probably make an image of what I've setup though in anticipation of me eventually getting my own.14:21
xorAxAxjavispedro: ah14:21
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wazdSonic the Hedgehog: $5.99 for the iPhone14:23
Myrttifscking twitter14:23
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hrwRST38h: what is it?14:24
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javispedro"According to one embodiment, a method is disclosed. The method includes launching a first application on a handheld device implementing a Palm Operating System (OS), and launching a second application." sigh.14:27
Stskeepsjavispedro: could you do me a favour and pull gconftool-2 -R /apps from a SDK that have had the UI running?14:28
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javispedroStskeeps: should I run before running the GUI?14:28
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javispedrowell, better so14:28
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Stskeepsjavispedro: i need something related to input method so14:30
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javispedro(fremantle update3)14:31
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Stskeepsah, lovely14:32
* Stskeeps needs to find a way to petition the opening of the input method as this is getting crazy14:32
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javispedroand someone's using Gconf as IPC?14:32
timeless_mbpso, about context menu14:32
* SpeedEvil passes Stskeeps a pitchforn and a burning torch.14:33
timeless_mbpyou have to hold shift while you tap and hold14:33
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timeless_mbp"I'm powerless!"14:33
timeless_mbp(someone stole my mbp's power adapter+cable)14:33
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Mohandoes n900 charges when its bricked ?14:40
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