IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2010-01-19

javispedrowhere "system" = dependency of pr-fremantle-blablabla00:00
X-Fadejavispedro: But then it still doesn't know which fw version it needs.00:00
X-Fadejavispedro: remember that an ssu only knows about the next version/repository.00:00
X-Fadejavispedro: So 2 updates down the row, it doesn't know.00:00
javispedrowhich means that the "minimal fw version required" doesn't matter at all00:01
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javispedrosince all you can do is "upgrade to next one and try again"00:01
X-Fadejavispedro: Sure, or flash.00:01
javispedrotouché.00:01
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wirelessdreamerMohammadAG: Yes I have the extra codecs packages installed00:02
javispedroXb-Mininal-fw: 1.1.1 (mwahahaha)00:02
wirelessdreamerwhat kind of problems are you seeing?00:02
StskeepsX-Fade: besides that, packages are more than able to indicate they support 'younger' versions i think00:02
X-FadeAnd upgrading 5 SSUs or 1 flash, well I would know what to take ;)00:02
MohammadAGwirelessdreamer, kk00:02
MohammadAGmaybe it's too high-res'd00:02
wirelessdreamerI just checked the video res and codec with mplayer 640x368 @23 fps xvid/mp300:03
wirelessdreamermultiple videos with that encoding play perfectly00:04
javispedroor add an extra "minimal firmware" section in the source package control file,00:04
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wirelessdreamerI still don't have mkv's working though00:04
javispedrothen the autobuilder uses the adequate sdk to build it00:04
javispedrodefaulting to 1.0 .00:04
X-Fadejavispedro: But it needs to be as simple as possible.00:04
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LuserSyncA, mmmhh let me try00:04
X-FadeIf you need sharing-dialog-dev for instance, you need >=pr1.100:04
X-FadeThat would make it really hard for developers.00:05
javispedrohm..00:05
X-FadeAs specifying build-depends is a nightmare already :)00:05
StskeepsX-Fade: maybe build towards the first SDK where a build dependancy is satisfiable?00:05
Stskeepsstart at pr1.0, then see pr1.1 ..00:05
X-FadeBut what if you need a specific feature of a lib?00:05
Stskeepsbuild-dep: package-dev (>= version)00:06
X-FadeYou can't expect a developer to exactly know which sdk he needs?00:06
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X-FadeI would rather default to build on the latest and greatest.00:06
Stskeeps:nod:00:06
X-FadeWe don't want to be debian stable with outdated versions.00:07
javispedrospecially if the shlibdeps are wrong, which means the auto build-depend generator cannot use symbol versions..00:07
X-FadeWe get enough crap for that already00:07
X-FadeAnd developers want the latest and greatest anyway.00:07
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X-FadeWe don't want to hold developers back.00:08
javispedroyes, but if most extras packages are going to be not installable EXCEPT in the latest and greatest firmware..00:08
X-FadeAnd if that orange icon blinks on someones phone, they are going to upgrade anyway.00:08
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javispedrothen no need to put that much effort in this and just tell outdated users to "upgrade"00:08
javispedro"to the nearest ssu / latest FIASCO"00:08
X-Fadejavispedro: But now it just says, failed to install.00:09
X-FadeOr can not install even.00:09
X-FadeWhich is not what you want to present to end users.00:09
X-FadeEverything in extras should install.00:09
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Stskeepsthere's really no pretty solution that doesn't involve modifying HAM00:10
xorAxAxbut what if the sdk doesnt have the package version that the pr has?00:10
Stskeepsor a special DEBIAN/control field00:10
StskeepsxorAxAx: ah, good one00:10
xorAxAxdifferently said, pr and maemo-version might conflict00:10
X-FadeThis is in the same category as the opt problem. Ugly, but we need to do something.00:10
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X-FadexorAxAx: There are a lot more firmware versions than you know ;)00:11
xorAxAxX-Fade: that as well00:11
X-FadexorAxAx: And Mer would probably be in that list too.00:11
Stskeepsthat's why i would prefer to have it in the resulting deb :P00:11
X-FadeStskeeps: Yeah, I don't want to butcher the source.00:12
Stskeepsif it's built by autobuilder it is probably for fremantle, so00:12
xorAxAxX-Fade: yeah, and what will be in the repos? multiple debs for every dependency?00:12
xorAxAxin case of an pr | maemo-version dep00:13
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X-FadexorAxAx: SDK and firware will always match.00:13
X-FadexorAxAx: Otherwise the sdk will not make any sense.00:13
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xorAxAxwell, true. so the sdk and mer need to match the release schedule of the PR?00:13
X-FadexorAxAx: No, mer will have it's own debs.00:14
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X-FadexorAxAx: I don't think Mer is aiming for binary compatibility per se.00:14
Stskeepswith armv7 it's a tad difficult00:14
StskeepsX-Fade: maybe this kind of functionality already exists in HAM00:15
X-FadeStskeeps: Which one?00:15
javispedroovi store using a repo per fw version is a bit odd. do they require uploaders building a package for each fw version? do they let a uploader "not uploading" a package to certain fw versions?00:15
StskeepsX-Fade: well, something to help us00:16
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X-Fadejavispedro: Well I was running pr1.1 before and it was not compatible with it because they were still on 1.0 ;)00:17
xorAxAxon different matters, one cannot use android market with their emulator without doing illegal things. so one has to hunt for packages manually00:17
javispedrochaos ensues.00:18
X-Fadejavispedro: So it seems they build for a specific version.00:18
X-Fadejavispedro: Or... haven't thought about it.00:18
javispedro"repo per fw version, but new packages aim for the latest one. previous fw versions don't have the repo enabled."00:18
X-FadeOr, to be fair, have solved the problem completely ;)00:18
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GeneralAntillesRepo-per-firmware would require mucking with the sources list.00:20
xorAxAxhow about aiming for a stable ABI like windows did from 1.0 to xp? :)00:20
xorAxAxthat would be the enterprise class solution :-)00:20
javispedro:nod:, and come to think of it, it's the same as just setting a "Xb-Minimal-Fw" in the package control file00:20
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GeneralAntillesxorAxAx, out of our control?00:21
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xorAxAxGeneralAntilles: hmm?00:21
xorAxAxindeed00:21
GeneralAntillesWe can't control what Nokia ships.00:21
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Stskeepsjavispedro: that's an actual flag?00:21
xorAxAxdidnt think about that00:21
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javispedroStskeeps: nope, fiction00:21
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Stskeepsnokia isn't really doing ABI breaks, it's a 'feature' of dpkg-buildpackage that it says libosso (>= something)00:22
X-FadeWell, AM could just add -version1 to the repository name.00:22
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X-FadeSo we have numbered repositories ;)00:22
X-FadeBut I hate that.00:22
* javispedro will start depending on pr1.1 from now on on the SDL packages I maintain, since I plan to remove the pr1.0 specific hacks00:23
X-FadeAnyway, time to get some sleep. Reply to the thread on talk, post on -developers or my blog ;)00:23
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javispedrognite00:23
javispedroand also, there will be some packages that will depend on pr1.2 by not implementing the pr1.0/1.1 rotation "hacks"00:24
xorAxAx1.2  will have sane rotation?00:24
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javispedroxorAxAx: that's what I've read (so _SUPPORT flag will mean h-d rotates if device held in portrait)00:25
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javispedrowhich is what everyone though in the first place.... :)00:26
xorAxAxcool00:26
xorAxAxand how is the desktop arranged then?00:26
xorAxAxdoes it shuffle your widgets and icons?00:26
javispedroxorAxAx: I don't mind rotation support in any apps00:26
javispedros/mind/mean00:26
xorAxAx(working like a barkeeper's mixer)00:26
javispedroI mean sane rotation support in libraries,00:27
xorAxAxok00:27
javispedrosince currently to implement it you have to check for accelerometer events and the like00:27
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xorAxAxthe telephone app isnt particularly good at doing so00:27
xorAxAxit often misdetects things here00:27
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Stskeepsneat, mer 0.17testing10 works oob on n900, if you dump firmware files into it00:30
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SpeedEvilDoes it support portrait? :)00:30
Stskeepserr.. possibly00:30
Stskeepsthere's no accelerometer daemon00:30
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* SpeedEvil was playing with xrandr the other night.00:31
javispedroStskeeps: I'm just noticing status bar items (the small ones) still appear color swapped00:31
Knightczwhat's the advantage of mer against the original firmware?00:31
SpeedEvilKnightcz: at the moment - none00:31
javispedrothough this is with clutter pr1.0 + my latest patch00:31
GeneralAntillesbug #8240 . . .00:32
povbot`Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8240 AT&T 850/1900MHz support00:32
SpeedEvilKnightcz: it's considerably less functional.00:32
xorAxAxKnightcz: higher percentage of FOSS code on your device00:32
KnightczSpeedEvil: and in the future?00:32
SpeedEvilKnightcz: maybe in 6 moths - it will be usable as a nice phone00:32
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SpeedEviln00:32
StskeepsKnightcz: full ubuntu userland and sane development00:32
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Knightczah00:32
KnightczSpeedEvil: that's nice00:32
JaffaTheory: if the ABI hasn't changed - what about munging the resulting libosso dependency? (or some kind of symlink to the other version; although this is a packaging rather than runtime problem, AIUI)00:32
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javispedrocause for some packages I guess the ABI has changed...00:33
javispedroand knowing that with broken shlibdeps is like... magic.00:33
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javispedros/packages/functions00:33
KnightczStskeeps: that's also nice00:33
Cas07just read about problems with reboot after boot_count reaches 50 device wont boot?00:33
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javispedroi.e. there are new functions I guess :)00:33
Cas07anyone got any info ?00:33
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Jaffajavispedro: Might be worth checking - Nokia almost certainly wouldn't have done that intentionally (AFAICT) unless there was no choice. We know how they worry about each individual change...00:34
StskeepsCas07: it's a safety mechanism00:34
Cas07to to with filesystem?00:34
Jaffajavispedro: It's been a while since I checked, if it's a C library, new functions don't break the ABI (IIRC)00:34
Cas07do.00:34
javispedroJaffa: That would be the cleanest way (make shlibdeps work, so that a new symbol causes a dependency on the later library, and apps don't using any new symbols don't cause that, then make h-a-m intelligent about this)00:35
javispedrobut seeing X-Fade reaction it also seems the hardest one ;)00:35
JaffaHeh :)00:36
Stskeepsjavispedro: ah, - i think shlibdeps already works but i was thinking we can modify it to check multiple versions of the lib00:36
Stskeepsand the earliest it can use based on symbols00:36
JaffaThat sounds the smartest00:36
javispedroStskeeps: that's how it should work00:36
javispedrobasically, AFAIU, the latest -dev package ships a file with each symbol + version00:36
JaffaThen it's just munging the deps to give a useful error message00:36
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javispedrothere's also the problem that H-A-M only knows about the next SSU version00:37
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JaffaAnything involving HAM doesn't seem optimal.00:37
* javispedro reads shlibdeps docs...00:38
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javispedrohttp://wiki.debian.org/Projects/ImprovedDpkgShlibdeps00:39
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Jaffajavispedro: Sounds promising from the summary00:41
xorAxAxJaffa: is there a changelog for catorise?00:42
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pupnikResults 1 - 10 of about 1,020 for "explosive nipples". (0.19 seconds)00:42
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javispedrobut getting nokia to follow that...00:44
JaffaxorAxAx: Yes, in the source code; but you'd have to look in the .tar.gz00:44
LuserSyncA, http://pastebin.com/m5d45af91. quite horrible but my perl got a bit rusty..00:44
JaffaxorAxAx: 0.6.0 has slightly improved error handling (if you use 1.2009.42-11 and don't have the HAM icons) and `dpkg -s' rather than `apt-cache show'.00:44
JaffaxorAxAx: Main reason was minor tidy-ups before pushing to -testing00:45
Jaffajavispedro: Yeah, one imagines none of the libs have .symbols files atm (one *guesses*, anyway)00:45
xorAxAxok00:45
derflardman|home: Did you ever play around with cropping the video in mbarcode?00:45
javispedroJaffa: in fact, one would guess not even the required dpkg-shlibdeps version are there atm ;)00:45
javispedros/are/is00:46
Jaffajavispedro: Doh00:46
JaffaProbably because anything dpkg related ahsn't been updated since OS2005 ;-)00:46
javispedrooh00:46
javispedrodpkg-shlibdeps in debian-lenny devkit00:46
woglindehi javis00:46
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pupnikare you wasting your time?  this picture will help you decide:  http://www.ectomo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/meathook.jpg00:48
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pupniki see a lot of this00:49
simulais that a diving suit or a robot?00:50
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lardman|homederf: yes, should be done in the latest version of mbarcode iirc00:51
arachnistpupnik: is that a Droid? ;)00:51
derfOh, sweet. I should upgrade.00:51
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lardman|homederf: dragly is doing sterling work producing a Qt QUI and framework, will be hacking on that now00:52
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pupnikarachnist: i look at that and think, 'what am i doing'00:52
derfI'm just at a conference and couldn't read the QR code on my badge.00:52
derfBecause the camera couldn't focus on it well enough.00:52
lardman|homebut still patching any issues in the gtk+ code if they are easy & quick00:52
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lardman|homeyeah give the update a go, should work better (I hope!)00:52
javispedrohi wog00:53
derfYeah, will do. App Manager is slow.00:53
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lardman|homedoh! forgot to upload blas before trying octave00:54
* lardman|home heads back to the TV00:54
derfHmm, updating appears broken.00:55
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Jef91Anyone else having issues getting perl installed on their N900?00:56
derfIt doesn't seem to be following 302 redirects.00:56
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JaffaJef91: Perl itself is in the firmware; perl-modules isn't00:58
Jef91Jaffa - according to my dpkg -l perl is not installed on my phone00:58
Jef91And when I try to install an application it tells me it need perl-modules installed, but there is no package to install for it00:59
JaffaJef91: And when you do `perl -V' what do you get? ;-)00:59
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JaffaJef91: perl-modules is in the SDK repo if you NEED it; but be careful what else you install from there.00:59
Jef91Ahh kk - I wanted to install frozen-bubble01:00
Jef91but it wants perl-modules01:00
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timeless_mbpJef91: perl-base is installed01:01
timeless_mbpperl has more dependencies01:01
VDVsxJef91, frozen bubble probably uses OpenGL/mesa01:01
javispedrofrozen bubble was ported already to diablo iirc01:01
javispedroiirc it's a plain sdl game01:01
VDVsxbetter check that first01:01
timeless_mbp?01:01
javispedrohttp://fb-maemo.blogspot.com/01:02
javispedrolol01:02
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javispedrothere's an entire blog dedicated to porting frozen bubble :)01:02
javispedronice01:02
Jef91timeless_mbp - when I try to install perl-base it tellsme I need perl-modules01:02
timeless_mbpJef91: um01:03
timeless_mbpdpkg -l perl-base01:03
timeless_mbpJef91: i presume you're on an n900 and not in a scratchbox01:03
Jef91timeless_mbp correct01:04
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VDVsxjavispedro, at least more recent versions depend on libsdl-perl that depends on GLU01:04
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Jef91timeless_mbp perl-base is installed - however frozenbubble from the extra repos says it wants perl-modules01:05
timeless_mbpJef91: "not my problem" :)01:05
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xorAxAxgah, i dont manage to pin down fremantle/sdk01:08
timeless_mbpanyone here know how to convert an xwindow id into a gtk window?01:09
timeless_mbp(for the purposes of parenting a gtk window)01:09
derflardman|home: No, I still have to hold the thing an inch away to get it large enough, and it can't focus at that distance.01:09
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wazdI finally got my 770, so I had some new enthusiasm for this.01:11
wazdthat was the time...01:11
xorAxAxJef91: have you succeeded installing perl-modules?01:11
xorAxAxit would install another perl01:11
xorAxAxand that might conflict with perl-base, i am not sure01:11
derflardman|home: This is with 0.0.8 (which I assume is the latest?)01:12
xorAxAxi have a QR code which is focussed but it doesnt recognize it01:12
xorAxAxlardman|home: any idea?01:12
xorAxAxah, it pulls perl from another repo, so it should work01:13
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derfxorAxAx: If you can give me an image file, I can take a look.01:14
Jef91xorAxAx - don't care enough about frozen0bubble to risk bricking my n900 atm01:14
xorAxAxJef91: i dont care enough about perl to risk not playing frozen bubble atm :)01:15
xorAxAxderf: ok, i will take one01:15
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Jef91mmm sweet! fMMS works like a charm01:18
Jef91I no longer have to hear "Your n900 does all that but can't send a picture message why?..."01:18
fralsJef91: great :)01:18
Jef91frals - do you plan to add video support at some point?01:19
fralsyeah, its a bit down the list thou - for now you'll have to settle with receiving videos ;)01:19
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TheFaioliHow to fix scratchbox/SDK installation so that ESBox will recognize it?01:20
Jef91frals - very good.01:21
Jef91I'm so glad the repos are back online now01:21
Jef91and with lots of new software!01:21
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xorAxAxderf: http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/1667/6f6f26ad433440f9aa9895db06c0ce04.jpg01:22
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pillarusr/share/icons/hicolor/26x26/apps <- is that the correct place for app icons in fremantle?01:22
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KamuiN900wow. I love the abiword port.01:23
KamuiN900im pretty much good to go.  just need pptp vpn and the n900 is perfect01:23
KamuiN900eap-fast would be nice too01:23
xorAxAxderf: http://share.ovi.com/guestpass.aspx?emailaddress=alex-test%40alexanderweb.de&confirmationcode=1323&returnurl=%2falbum%2fxoraxax.%253ealex-test%2540alexanderweb.de01:23
xorAxAxderf: and then click download01:23
xorAxAxovi share suckz01:24
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TheFaioliI think the problem was I installed using scratchbox sh/py scripts but for some reason ESBox doesn't like them...01:24
Jef91I saw airsnort has a package in devel now - does the N900 wifi card support packet injection?01:25
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Lusersomebody asked for a list of packages in say, extras, is this available?01:25
Luserit should I guess..01:25
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VDVsxLuser, should help: http://maemo.org/packages/01:27
wndthat's what dists/$distribution/$component/binary-$arch/Packages{,.gz,bz2} is for01:27
wnds/bz2/.&/01:27
infobotwnd meant: that's what dists/$distribution/$component/binary-$arch/Packages{,.gz,.&} is for01:28
Luserwnd yes right, but something trimmed..01:28
wndinfobot's regexp parser isn't exactly complete01:28
wndLuser, just run it through sed or grep ;-)01:28
Luserwget http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages | sed -e '/Maemo-Icon/,/^$/d' |  egrep "^$|^Package|^Description|^ "01:28
Luseryep01:28
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Luseri havent managed to do more horrible..01:29
LuserVDVsx, thanks exactly01:30
corecodethe n900 prices are like the stock market01:32
corecodecompletely unpredictable01:32
corecodeand up and down01:32
xorAxAxcorecode: what happened?01:32
Luserhum wget and pipe was not a good idea01:32
xorAxAxi got one for 499 EUR in germany01:32
corecodewell my newegg order is still somewhere01:32
xorAxAxnew, unbranded, 3 days after order01:32
cehtehfrom where btw?01:33
smpsxorAxAx, where ?01:33
* cehteh still waiting for mp3-player.de01:33
* SpeedEvil finds secret nightvision mode in the camera!!!01:33
xorAxAxhandy-schotte.com01:33
JaffaDamn, maemo.org/packages picking up auto-builder builds seems to be broken01:33
N900evilmplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video001:33
smpsxorAxAx, thx01:33
SpeedEvilnow - in a darkish place - compare the output of that with01:34
cehtehSpeedEvil: woot .. no IR filter or long exposure / charge pump?01:34
JaffaLuser: wget -O - ;-)01:34
N900evil mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video0 -vf eq=77:100,eq=10:100,eq=50:100,denoise3d=8:6:22,scale=320:24001:34
cehtehxorAxAx: what hardware revision do you got?01:34
SpeedEvilthe main camera that is01:34
wndhe could also just use curl01:34
xorAxAxcehteh: how to find out?01:34
cehtehcat /proc/cpuinfo01:34
cehtehSpeedEvil: how that?01:35
xorAxAx210101:35
xorAxAxis that old?01:35
cehtehvideo or still?01:35
SpeedEvilcehteh: video01:35
LuserJaffa, thanks :)01:35
cehtehnice01:35
cehtehxorAxAx: mhm .. i forgotten .. but these are listed in the firmware images01:36
Luserwget -O -  http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages | sed -e '/Maemo-Icon/,/^$/d' |  egrep "^$|^Package|^Description|^ " | less01:36
smpsi got same revision01:36
SpeedEvilcehteh: it goes from a totally black screen to a visible-but-grainy image01:36
Luserok real life waiting for me, bye01:37
SpeedEvilwave01:37
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cehtehSpeedEvil: yeah charge pumping mode01:37
SpeedEvilcehteh: err - no.01:37
cehtehmhm01:37
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SpeedEvilcehteh: it's simply using several chained mplayer brightness filters, then a denoise filter.01:37
cehtehduh ..01:38
pupnikyou can also do denoise without temporal denoising01:38
SpeedEvilcehteh: there is a large amount of fixed noise, which could also be subtracted.01:38
cehtehthought you found something in firmware01:38
SpeedEvilpupnik: yes - temporal makes it lots quieter though01:38
pupnikyeah i just thought i'd say something stupid01:38
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pupnikimpressive how well denoise3d worked01:39
cehtehSpeedEvil: normally a CCD is discharged/recharged (dunno which way around) when you read it out01:39
SpeedEvilcehteh: it's a CMOS imager01:39
SpeedEvilcehteh: it will be totally discharged on readout.01:39
cehtehbut some sensors can be put into a mode to accumulate over longer times01:39
cehtehok01:39
SpeedEvilcehteh: it may be possible to get it working better - but as I understnad it that would involve hackery01:39
SpeedEvilpossibly involving the non-existant camera datasheet01:39
cehtehxorAxAx: flasher-3.5 -l -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin01:40
cehtehgives a nice list of known hardware revisions01:40
xorAxAxcehteh: pastebin it01:40
xorAxAxfor me that means piping it into a three letter acronym01:40
xorAxAxthanks to paste.pocoo.org01:40
xorAxAx(including vim and emacs support)01:41
cehtehhttp://pastebin.com/m105a033b01:41
SpeedEviloh - obviously - move the denoise before the scale, and it's better01:41
cehtehso 2101 is first batch or? .. i dont know which hardware revisions are really released and which how they are ordered01:42
cehtehbut mine was 2101 too01:42
smpswas ?01:42
cehtehi send it back a week ago01:44
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* thomaz strugrling with msn plugins01:55
pupnikmicrosoft: the company that tried to prevent tcp/ip from being used on PCs01:55
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swc|666then took the bsd tcp/ip stack01:56
xorAxAxand replaced it by a complete rewrite01:56
pupniki wonder how many suicides they caused01:57
swc|666and still is a fail OS... lol01:57
swc|666pupnik, a lot i presume01:57
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pupnikhttp://pupnik.de/Are_You_A_Microsoft_User.jpg02:03
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swc|666nice02:04
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mtnbkrpupnik: microsoft has had a LONG history of buying/tealing/borrowing other people02:12
mtnbkr's code (or whole companies) and then putting the "innovate" lie^H^Hable on the tech or just shelving it02:12
timeless_mbpcan you guys please complain about ms somewhere else?02:13
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xorAxAxyeah, complaining about nokia would be ontopic02:13
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pupnikwe still don't have an *apology* for blocking *#02:14
pupnikwhen you can pass them straight through to the modem from cmdline02:15
xorAxAxthey are not blocked, they behave differently than calls02:15
pupnikah thanks02:15
xorAxAxyou need to decode the reply02:15
timeless_mbppupnik: *# kinda expects a ui02:15
timeless_mbpand iirc most of that is coming in 1.202:15
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darkcoolhi i need help to find two libraries02:17
darkcoolwhere i can download and how i can install it on my n81002:18
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darkcoolncurses-base and tcpdump02:18
kamui__pupnik02:18
kamui__sup G02:19
derfxorAxAx: That first image you posted is not a QR code.02:19
xorAxAxderf: oh, what is it?02:19
derfThe second one requires an Ovi membership.02:19
derfxorAxAx: Datamatrix.02:19
xorAxAxis that supported?02:19
pupniklistening to great music kamui__02:19
derfSupposedly, but it's actually multiple codes all shoved adjacent to each other.02:20
kamui__haha, nice02:20
derfWhich I'm not sure is supported.02:20
hardakerdoes the ovi store work on anyone's n900 yet?  mine says to upgrade, but it's sort of in an odd state.02:20
kamui__I have been unnecessarily fascinated with the Abiword port02:20
derfI didn't write the datamatrix code.02:20
kamui__I wrote a paper just to try it out02:20
hardaker(since I had at flash it after the last upgrade trashed it)02:20
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darkcoolill try to use this apt-get install ncurses-base tcpdump02:20
darkcooland doesnt work02:20
niekt0when I do $ mplayer tv://... video1, how the hell mplayers knows the turn of n900? I doubt its parsing input from accelometers, so it must be "build in" funcionality of camera (??)02:21
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SpeedEvilumm02:21
darkcoolits works02:21
* SpeedEvil wonders if that was a deeply stupid question.02:21
* kamui__ wonders if he's the only one who doesn't quite understand the question 02:22
xorAxAxderf: http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Japan-qr-code-billboard.jpg&filetimestamp=2009010411094902:22
xorAxAxderf: thats an qr example which doesnt extract the url correctly02:23
xorAxAxderf: also i would like to have a feature which opens google with the number extracted from barcodes02:23
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derfxorAxAx: It decodes fine here with zbar.02:24
xorAxAxderf: yes, but then it doesnt chop the message02:25
niekt0well, when I do mplayer tv:// /dev/video1, I see myself upside down (in02:25
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xorAxAxderf: but it passes the full message to the browser02:25
darkcooli have kismet with gps02:25
xorAxAxwhich is more than the url02:25
derfxorAxAx: Ah, I see.02:25
niekt0"vertical" mode, even when I turn mobile. I can fix it by som scwitch to mplayer, but where is this "inteligence" done?02:26
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kamui__niekt0, odd.  When run mplayer on the video device, I see the 5mp camera's image, normal inversion02:29
kamui__what is the exact command you're typing02:29
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kamui__that would describe the default output of the front vga camera02:29
villagerI think he wrote video1, not video0, so probably got the front cam02:29
kamui__but I dont see how you get that from your command02:29
kamui__at least for me, ANY video device is linking to the rear cam02:30
kamui__though mirror works :)02:30
niekt0for me, video0 is big(rear) cam, and video1 is small(front) camera02:30
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niekt0I just want to know how this get automatically flipped02:31
kamui__niekt0, are you saying that when you rotate the phone the camera image reorients?02:33
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Guest21975question for people - anyone else suffering from bookmarks that disappear?02:34
Guest21975I've added store.ovi.mobi about half a dozen times as a bookmark, and it just keeps on disappearing!02:34
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milhousethat's better. :)02:34
villagerI think I see what he means... he's holding the phone in portrait mode, which means that the video will appear rotated 90 degrees twice (once by holding it in portrait when it's really a landscape camera, and once by the mplayer also trying to display in landscape)02:35
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hardakerso does store.ovi.mobi actually work for you milhouse?02:35
hardaker(cause it doesn't for me).02:35
villagerhence a total of 180 degrees rotation02:35
Guest10594hardaker: yes02:35
* hardaker pats nickserv on the shoulder; good man.02:35
villagerof course, that means there's no intelligence in this anywhere02:35
villager(and that is totally was a totally stupid question)02:36
niekt0kamui__> actually, I am saying that when I turn camera upside down, the image is still same. So I cannot film someone upside down. I am not saying this is a bug, I just wonder where does it come from, and if it can be dissabled.02:36
hardakersigh I think that means I have a half-upgraded device.02:36
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Guest10594aha, think i've hit bug #626902:37
povbot`Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6269 Can't reuse the name of a bookmark that has been deleted02:37
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svanheulenHello!02:38
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timeless_mbpGuest10594: so, it's not too hard to fix the locally...02:39
svanheulenHey, anyone else here use T-Mobile with their N900?02:39
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ProteousI do02:39
niekt0svanheulen> I do02:39
SpeedEvilsvanheulen: me02:39
milhouse@timeless: sorry, what do you mean?02:40
timeless_mbpmilhouse: it's a text fike02:40
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timeless_mbps/ke/le/02:40
infobottimeless_mbp meant: milhouse: it's a text file02:40
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svanheulenAre your guys data connections proxied? Mine wasn't until about a week ago, now I'm being proxied through Tennessee02:40
timeless_mbpyou can open it in vi and get rid of the bits you don't like02:40
milhousetimeless: yes but according to that bug this is fixed in 51-102:40
milhousetimeless: well yes... I could... ideally i'd rather the bug was fixed :)02:41
Proteoussvanheulen: what APN ARE YOU USING02:41
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Proteouser sorry bout caps02:41
svanheulenepc.t-mobile.com02:41
corecodei heard there is some service where you can upload your mp3s and then listen to them from everywhere using a flash player02:42
corecodeanybody know that?02:42
timeless_mbpmilhouse: so...02:42
timeless_mbpi'm running 51-102:42
corecodealternative to using spotify on the n90002:42
timeless_mbpi created a bookmark by right clicking 'world' on news.google.com02:42
timeless_mbpthen i went to bookmarks, right clicked 'world', and deleted it02:42
milhouseyeah, it doesn't happen straight away02:42
Proteoussvanheulen: I belive they are all proxied now but you can try internet2.tmobile.com02:42
timeless_mbpthen i loaded news.google.com again, right clicked again, added the bookmark again02:43
timeless_mbpmilhouse: so...killall browser didn't cause my bookmark to disappear02:43
Proteousmight come out somewhere closer02:43
svanheulenProteous: well if they are all proxied it must have happened recently because it wasn't doing that a couple weeks ago02:44
milhousetimeless: I'm yet to identify the circumstances under which it disappears... could be time, or reboot02:44
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timeless_mbpmilhouse: so...02:44
timeless_mbpi looked at the xml file02:44
timeless_mbpi don't see a second entry for 'world'02:44
timeless_mbpjust use xterm and look at the file02:44
milhousei've created a bookmark - Mozilla Mobile Test - which is still there. It's just my "Ovi Store" (store.ovi.mobi) bookmark which won't stay put02:45
timeless_mbpif you see an interesting entry, lemme know02:45
timeless_mbpmilhouse: err02:45
timeless_mbpisn't ovi store a default bookmark?02:45
milhousetimeless: what is the location of the is the file?02:45
milhousetimeless: Yes, I think it might be02:45
timeless_mbp~/.bookmarks/MyBookmarks.xml ?02:45
Proteoussvanheulen: it's hard to find good recent info on that stuff02:45
timeless_mbpanyway, congrats, you shot yourself with predefined content02:45
milhousetimeless: but come on... that's a bug, right?02:46
timeless_mbpmilhouse: come on, you read the bug, right?02:46
GeneralAntillesOh, milhouse, by the by, do you want a maemo.org cloak?02:46
svanheulenProteous: very true02:47
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milhousetimeless: yes, I'm trying to get my head around it. still can't see how this can be excused as not being something designed to confuse the hell out of the end user02:47
milhouseGA: Sure, need my postal address? ;)02:47
timeless_mbpmilhouse: um02:48
GeneralAntillesmilhouse, blood type, and mother's maiden name.02:48
svanheulenblood type: red02:48
timeless_mbpmilhouse: anyway02:48
timeless_mbpthe code they changed was to 'is duplicate bookmark'02:48
timeless_mbpwhich to me seems like an incredibly odd place to 'fix' it02:49
timeless_mbpif you can still trigger the problem, attach your file showing the deleted entry02:49
timeless_mbpand reopen the bug02:49
milhousetimeless: yes, "Ovi Store" is a stock bookmark and in the XML it still has the original "link.ovi.mobi" but that bookmark is no longer visible02:49
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timeless_mbpdoes the xml have a deleted annotation?02:50
milhouseyep02:50
milhousevalue 102:50
milhouse <bookmark href="http://link.ovi.mobi/n900ovistore" favicon="" thumbnail="thumbnail_ovistore.png">02:50
milhouse      <title>Ovi Store</title>02:50
milhouse      <info>02:50
milhouse        <metadata>02:50
milhouse          <time_visited>1263377812</time_visited>02:50
milhouse          <time_added>1190302841</time_added>02:50
milhouse          <visit_count>2</visit_count>02:50
milhouse          <operator_bookmark>1</operator_bookmark>02:50
milhouse          <deleted>1</deleted>02:50
milhouse        </metadata>02:50
milhouse      </info>02:50
milhouse    </bookmark>02:50
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timeless_mbp... i trust you... no need to flood here02:50
svanheulenblarg, pastebin02:50
milhouse(Sorry)02:50
timeless_mbpupload your file02:51
milhouseI also have 4 more entries also titled "Ovi Store"02:51
timeless_mbpthen reopen the bug, change the version to 51-102:51
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timeless_mbpmilhouse: the problem here is that ui designers are well, stupid02:51
milhouseso basically I have 5 "Ovi Store" bookmarks, one deleted, four not deleted, none show up.02:51
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timeless_mbpand bug fixers are contracted02:51
timeless_mbpthe bug was probably "fixed" w/o looking at my suggested fix :/02:52
milhousesigh... good to know nokia are taking this all seriously.02:52
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timeless_mbp...02:52
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timeless_mbpwe wanted to drop bookmarks entirely02:52
timeless_mbpthat got approved and then dropped iirc02:52
timeless_mbpwhich left us up a creek with some really messed up paddles02:52
timeless_mbp(and a boat with lots of holes in it)02:53
torindelok maybe dumb question: anyother way to close openarena than via ssh? xD02:54
timeless_mbpctrl-backspace? power key?02:54
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torindelpower key screws things up02:54
hardakererr...02:54
hardakercan someone tell me if "dpkg -l maemo5" lists anything for them?02:55
Jef91"E: Build-dependencies could not be satisfied.02:55
Jef91" - is there a way I can have it tell me which build depens it cannot find/get?02:55
torindeltimeless_mbp: i.e. power key menu shows up but its not on "top layer" of clicking on touchscreen02:55
timeless_mbphardaker: NO02:55
hardakerok, that sort of makes me feel better.02:55
timeless_mbptorindel: awesome02:55
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timeless_mbphardaker: the package you want is something like mp-fremantle-...02:56
hardakermp-fremantle-002-pr?02:56
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hardakersee...  cause the ovi store still says it's not available for my device, which means the image I flashed to the phone is, um, wrong-ish.02:57
hardaker(though it looks right-ish)02:57
torindeltimeless_mbp: ctrl+backspace doesnt work02:58
timeless_mbphardaker: what does settings>about say?02:59
timeless_mbptorindel: ctrl-shift-x? :)02:59
timeless_mbpoh, or, open the camera lens cover :)02:59
SpeedEvilhardaker: or the ovi store is broken02:59
timeless_mbphardaker: did you try store.ovi.mobi ?02:59
hardaker2.2009.51-1.00202:59
Jef91hardaker - try manually entering the store URL03:00
timeless_mbphardaker: that's current03:00
hardakerJef91: did that.03:00
torindeltimeless_mbp: ok got it /quit from openarena console xD03:00
hardaker(that's where I get the error)03:00
timeless_mbptorindel: try the others03:00
hardakerthe OVI button actually takes me to a page that says "go to the app manager to update your phone"03:00
timeless_mbphardaker: javascript:navigator.userAgent03:00
hardaker(err...  button = silly app that registers a desktop setting just to open a web page)03:01
timeless_mbpdid you install something stupid like browser-useragent-hider?03:01
hardakertimeless_mbp: ahh...  yes, I did.03:01
hardakerduh.03:01
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timeless_mbpRESOLVED USERS ARE STUPID03:01
hardakerlong enough ago totally forgot about it.03:01
hardakerI bet that's it.03:01
redeemantimeless_mbp: no, ovi store is stupid for requiring user agent03:01
timeless_mbpplease feel free to yell at ovi for being somewhat stupid03:01
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timeless_mbptheir help should suggest that you not forge your useragent03:02
hardakerdefinitely true.03:02
hardakeror better yet, they should ask you which phone you're using and let you in anyway.03:02
torindeltimeless_mbp: shift+; acts as esc ^^03:02
redeemanits absurd that they require a specific useragent03:02
GeneralAntilleshttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=47745703:02
timeless_mbpredeeman: why?03:02
hardakerI don't like telling web servers which type of device I'm using.  serve approved standard compliant objects to me please.03:03
timeless_mbpwould you like to buy software that won't work on your device?03:03
timeless_mbpi'd be pissed03:03
redeemaneasy, don't be stupid enough to try and buy if you are on the wrong store03:03
timeless_mbpredeeman: very funny03:03
redeemani also don't automatically get custom tailored clothes at the clothe shops03:03
GeneralAntillesGawd, Brainstorm is such a cesspool03:03
redeemani can buy incorrect clothes03:03
timeless_mbpredeeman: i can return clothes03:03
timeless_mbpeven in this stupid country03:04
timeless_mbpalthough, perhaps not undergarments03:04
hardakeryou can return software too, they just have to trust you.03:04
hardakerI've actually done it with other companies03:04
timeless_mbpdoes ovi support refunds?03:04
redeemannevertheless, if a user is stupid enough to buy something which it clearly says what is, but without looking, that is the users problem03:04
* timeless_mbp rotfl03:04
timeless_mbpthat's not the way users work03:04
timeless_mbplook at the indignant users here!03:04
timeless_mbpthe customer is always right03:05
redeemanrofl03:05
timeless_mbpbest not to allow the customer if they're going to be annoying03:05
timeless_mbpthey're bad for business03:05
hardakerI think a company that offers a web site for downloading free software that they could just put in the repo is insanely stupid too03:05
timeless_mbphardaker: there's a word for this03:05
timeless_mbpbut roughly, if you register, you're good for a certain statistic03:05
timeless_mbpfor about 6 months iirc03:05
timeless_mbpwhich means even though it's "Free" to you, you're "Valuable" to them03:06
timeless_mbp(i'm not calling this smart, i'd actually call it dishonest)03:06
redeemannot to mention they are testing their shit03:06
greenflybut "repository" doesn't sound like "App store" and everyone knows a portable device has to have an App Store03:06
timeless_mbpgreenfly: and an app store can't be successful without content!03:06
timeless_mbpespecially free content03:06
redeemanofcourse with the (rumored?) policies for the ovi app store, its NEVER going to get successful03:07
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hardakerit's companies like that which remind me why I use throw-away addresses per company.03:07
timeless_mbpredeeman =~ s/its/it's/03:07
greenflyhardaker: heh, same here03:07
timeless_mbphardaker: i just gave my phone number to paypal03:07
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redeemanlol i used fake email and phone number aswell03:07
timeless_mbpbecause i'm going to arrange to block their software from firefox customers around the globe :)03:07
hardakerI loved google's requirement you give them a cellphone number to activate your developer account via SMS03:08
redeemani didn't even check if it send me a mail, ovi store was nice enough to just let me in right after creation, no shitty activation03:08
hardakerwhat the purpose of that is certainly is informatiion collection.03:08
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torindelhardaker: well you can always buy prepaid for 1$ and threw it away afterwards -__-03:09
timeless_mbptorindel =~ s/threw/throw/03:09
timeless_mbp(you want future tense, not past tense)03:09
timeless_mbp(or conditional present or something)03:10
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GeneralAntilleshttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=48113003:10
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greenflyanyone know if the recent addition of pidgin-otr (and the main otr libs and binaries) also means OTR support in telepathy?03:11
GeneralAntillesI love stream-of-consciousness requests.03:11
pillarGeneralAntilles: heh03:11
timeless_mbp'nakian' is that like 'naked'?03:13
Xisdibikdebian without clothes?03:13
greenflyubuntu?03:14
shinkamuinudebuntu03:14
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Xisdibikhey shinka, might i ask where you are located?03:15
Xisdibikim just curious where no.no.cox.net is lol03:15
Xisdibikshinka being shinkamui03:16
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pupniki hope the rumored good sales solves the chicken-and-egg problem with app stores03:18
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vip-Im gonna order an n900 this week :D03:21
vip-pretty excited03:21
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shinkamuiXisdibik, New Orleans03:23
shinkamuiwell, you'03:24
shinkamuire not in the US03:24
shinkamuicox is a cable provider here03:24
shinkamuianyway Im off to th gym, cheers to you guys03:24
shinkamuianyone who hasn't tried the new abiword release needs to get that sh1t installed03:24
Jef91The N900 really needs a Pandora Radio app03:24
shinkamuiits fantastic03:24
Jef91ones things I really miss03:24
shinkamuiJef91,  second03:25
shinkamuibut I hear spotify is good03:25
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shinkamuiI have yet to try it though, since its not available here03:25
Jef91spotify?03:25
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shinkamuiI hear its a pandora where you can selectively listen to what you want03:25
Jef91ahh kinda like grooveshark03:25
shamusgrooveshark is nice03:25
Jef91I like pandora exactly because I don't have to pick what I listen to...03:25
jebbahey Jef91 is abiword optified? sry too lazy to check myself  ;)03:26
Jef91and running pandora via flash in the browser lags hardcore03:26
Jef91jebba - not sure, that one in the repos is not my port03:26
milhouseshinkamui: is abiword in maemo.org?03:26
shinkamuiI think its in extras-devel atm03:26
shamusis there any chance of geting abiword to work on the old n800?03:26
Jef91Although I am now killing mine since someone else beat me to it lol03:26
shinkamuiI just noticed it today03:26
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shinkamuishamus,  I thought there was already an N800 port of abiword03:26
Jef91the abiword port in the repos is solid though - works very well03:27
shamusther is?03:27
shinkamuiIIRC shamus  there is03:27
jebbaah, ok i thought it was yours03:27
milhouseshinkamui: thanks. hopefully it will make it to maemo.org soon enough03:27
shamuswhat repository?03:27
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shamuschinook?03:27
Xisdibikshinkamui: im from the US though, im just in japan for 2 weeks ;)03:27
shinkamuimilhouse, Im not sure if its even optified, but it works pretty flawlessly, I wrote a very complex document today as a test03:27
shinkamuiXisdibik, where are you from?03:27
Xisdibikshinkamui: San Francisco Bay Area03:28
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shinkamuioh, nice03:28
shinkamuiIm hoping to move further west soon03:28
shinkamuihaven' tbeen to Sanfran yet03:28
Xisdibikwest is the best ;)03:28
shinkamuibut that would be a nice place to settle down03:28
milhouseshinkamui: watch out you don't run out of rootfs :)03:28
Xisdibikits a tad expensive though03:28
Xisdibikanyways im heading out of the hotel now03:28
Xisdibikill be online again sometime, or when im back in the states on thursday03:28
shinkamuimilhouse, I constantly monitor mine :)  when in doubt, I use the optify script to relink packages03:28
ml-mobilehey Xisdibik have you gotten the anthy-based IME to work?03:29
Jef91however the abiword port lacks spell checking...03:29
ml-mobilegah03:29
shinkamuiok, GYM time :)03:29
shinkamuibbl03:29
Jef91(red lines everything for me) and it doesn't play well with auto word complete03:29
Xisdibikml-mobile: i havnt tried yet03:29
ml-mobileok03:29
Xisdibikml-mobile: i fubared my phone in the SF airport and had to reflash in japan03:29
Xisdibiknot gonna go down that route again03:29
ml-mobiledoh03:29
Xisdibikuntil im home03:29
Xisdibikbut i was happy to see it in the repos03:30
Xisdibikso im gonna test it a bunch when im home03:30
ml-mobilecool03:30
Xisdibiki also dont have wifi at this hotel and most of the places ive been staying03:30
Xisdibikthey just have LAN connections03:30
Xisdibikanyways off i go03:31
Xisdibikttyl03:31
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Jef91No wifi? That would kill me03:32
shamusok i know this might be a sill question but what are the odds of a text based sl client with voice suport?03:33
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SpeedEvilsl?03:33
ml-N900hmm03:34
shamussecond life03:34
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ml-N900it installed without issue on my phone, guess the sdk environment isn't quite the same for some packages03:34
SpeedEvilah03:34
SpeedEvilI have never sl'd.03:34
SpeedEvilI've not played the first one through yet.03:34
Jef91"deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian lenny main"03:35
Jef91is that the only URL for the lenny repos?03:35
Jef91Or are there others for extra software?03:35
jebbadeb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main03:35
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jebbadeb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main03:36
Jef91whats that second one jebba?03:36
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AndrewFBlack2X-Fade, Ping03:36
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jebbahttp://www.debian.org/volatile/ Jef9103:40
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fredrindo the new n900 come with PR1.1?03:46
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fredrinwiting for my n900 to restock at the local shop03:46
fredringot a gift card i got to use03:46
fredrin29. jan will be a good day03:47
fredrin:D03:47
SpeedEvildoesn't really matter.03:47
fredrini know03:47
SpeedEvilupgrade is painless03:47
fredrinnot for me03:47
fredrinhopefully03:47
fredrinheh03:47
fredrincan you dual boot with mer?03:48
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b-man17fredrin: yes03:49
fredrinsweet03:49
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b-man17btw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_ETSvTAo4A&feature=sub  if only they did something like that for the N900 xD03:50
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fredrinsweeet, good marketing03:52
b-man17indeed xD03:52
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pupniki liked the n900 chris cunningham ad, with the green interrogation room and the pupnik spazzing out03:54
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shamusso what dose the red pill do? is it just a easter egg or dose it basicly thro the app maniger into look at me i thjnk i realy know what im doign mode?03:54
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pupnikit's there for people who watch matrix and want to break-out of the mundane world into the light of reality03:57
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SpeedEvilThere should so be blue pill mode.03:59
SpeedEvilWhich starts a nokia 3310 emulator.03:59
shamuslol03:59
yuizy:D04:00
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DocScrutinizer51lol04:01
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Realcomixhi04:06
shamushum looks like gpe-calender dose not like my google ical as the inport fails04:06
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shamusinvalid format for type "date/time" in attribute CREATED04:08
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Jef91Does anyone know how i can figure out what package provides the file ld-linux.so.204:08
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Jef91nvm found it04:12
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phreckim about to shoot myself04:20
phreckanyone used the flasher in win7?04:20
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phreckbecause i cant even get my n900 to go into flash mode04:20
phrecki feel like a big bag of failure04:20
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Realcomixha i couldnt get it to work04:20
SpeedEviljust linux04:20
phreckyea04:21
phreckim in ubuntu right now, about to give it another shot04:21
Realcomixjust dl live ubuntu iso04:21
SpeedEvilwhat does it do?04:21
phreckgotta go through the install first.04:21
phrecki have a dedicated ubuntu box04:21
kamui__me too04:21
kamui__Im BAACK!04:21
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phreckannnd im SOL due to me running 64 bit?!04:25
jebbaphreck: you need 32bit libraries. Too bad the flasher isn't free software  :(04:27
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phrecksigh04:27
jebbaThere is a free software version that may work with N900:  http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Flash#Flashing_N900_with_0xFFFF     See there for a few details04:28
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matthew-HMM, can you download podcasts from iTunes onto your n900?04:28
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fredrincan't you just apt-get something and have a flasher?04:30
fredrinlike the Neo Freerunner04:31
SpeedEvilfredrin: the other side04:31
fredrindfu-util04:31
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SpeedEvilfredrin: the PC flasher is not open source04:31
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jebbafredrin: this definitely isn't a freerunner...04:31
SpeedEvilfredrin: though a linux 32 bit binary is available04:31
fredrinmmkay04:32
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swc|666jebba, bravo @ message to the list ;)04:52
hardakerangry birds rocks04:52
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xorAxAxwould something like this be possible for maemo? "On an incoming call country and if available state or city of the caller is displayed."05:00
GeneralAntillesDon't get enough non-contacts calls to make that worthwhile.05:00
SpeedEvilIf you can supply the reverse directory - probably05:00
jebbaxorAxAx: i once wrote a script for asterisk (which handled my calls) to do a reverse whitepages lookup of the caller and display it on google maps. heh05:00
xorAxAxhah05:01
xorAxAxthe question is whether i can hook into the telephony event and augment the caller dialog with info05:01
clmntchhello05:02
jebbacertainly could be done... can't think of how off the top of my head, but i still dont grok all the dbus stuff yet05:02
jebbahola05:02
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* xorAxAx is currently developing a rule driven dwid daemon05:03
xorAxAxthat controls:05:03
xorAxAx# availability, profile, cellular, secure, lock, wifi05:03
xorAxAxanything else that should be controlled?05:03
xorAxAxs/dwid/dwim/05:03
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jebbadwim?05:08
xorAxAxdo what i mean05:08
xorAxAxit controls the device like an automatic profile daemon05:09
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jebbaah cool05:12
xorAxAx# gps, time, weekday, load, location, orientation05:12
xorAxAx# moving, charging, playing, display, locked05:12
xorAxAxare  the inputs05:12
xorAxAxi am using a rule engine05:12
matthew-damn05:13
matthew-my bat died after 3hours today05:13
matthew-new record :D05:13
xorAxAxwhat did you do?05:13
matthew-just browse internet05:13
matthew-_and shit_05:13
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revnilthat is when i get the most use out of my n900, on the crapper.  i lose track of time playing angry birds.05:16
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matthew-revnil: i take my laptop to the loo05:18
KenYoungRemind me not to buy revnil's used N900.05:18
KenYoungEspecially if there's water damage.05:19
matthew-:-D05:19
revnil:) i take my laptop too, but only at home.  co-workers look at you funny when you lug a dell into the restroom05:20
microlith:/ ovi store needs to work again so I can get the extra levels for angry birds05:20
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matthew-revnil: i've got toilet in my office05:20
matthew-dont share it with any1 :D05:20
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revnillucky...work from home?05:20
matthew-nope05:21
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matthew-one company i work for i own so ive got en suit office05:21
matthew-other company i work for its an investment bank and im a director, hence ive got en suite05:21
matthew-;)05:21
revnilah nice.05:21
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* goodwill contemplates ovi maps vs sygic maps05:23
goodwillany thought anyone05:23
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matthew-are sygic maps out yet?05:24
vip-does the n900 come with any memory card already ?05:24
matthew-vip-: nope05:24
vip-:l05:24
matthew-goodwill: they're not.05:24
goodwillmatthew-: I know ... but they are coming soon05:24
matthew-;]05:25
DocScrutinizerthere's a dbus msg with full phonenumber on inbound call05:26
SpeedEvilvip-: but it has 32G inside05:26
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DocScrutinizershould be a matter of a 10 limer python proggy to look up the countrycode of the number in a table and fire up a notifier05:28
revnilmatthew-: you looking for an assistant or anything?  i'm willing to travel!05:28
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matthew-revnil: Are you hot? red head? 3 languages a minimum? willing to sleep with your boss?05:28
DocScrutinizereven mere shellscript05:28
revnilyes, yes, hoe gaat het met jou?, na klar!05:29
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matthew-:)05:29
matthew-let me see if i can find my current PA on some facebook/myspace05:30
matthew-heh ofc she is05:31
matthew-revnil: http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/32/l_5ad9e04151e32bd978477896f831181d.jpg05:32
matthew-+ shes EASY like sunday morning05:32
matthew-http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/10/l_58bb61926b31b75b9652aaf91a9a4114.jpg05:32
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revniloh you didn't say female....jeez05:33
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revnil:)05:33
matthew-heheh05:33
revnilgood lord.  i want one of those....05:34
SyncAhi, I'd like to check for a bug report and if not present maybe try to file one on the volume inconsitencies in mediabox.05:34
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matthew-revnil: yeah,05:35
SyncAfound wiki.maemo.org/bugs:Tasks05:35
matthew-she gets over £100k a year thou05:35
doc|homeshe's not hot, just kinda skanky looking05:37
revnilshe can't be over, what, 27?05:37
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SyncAbut cannot find a bug on mediabox and volume on bugs.maemo.org/query.cgi?format=specific05:38
SyncAis there an other place I should check if this is a known bug?05:39
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revnilbugs.maemo.org?05:43
revnilseems like that's the place.05:43
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SyncAhmm bad connection...05:48
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SyncAso is it a problem with mediabox that the program sound control is more quiet than the system sound?05:49
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SyncAor is it a system problem? how do I adress resolving this whole problem... that's the wiki I'm looking for...05:51
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uhsfi'm waiting for my N900 to be shipped, i have two microsd card available, should i use a faster 8GB or a slower 16GB?05:53
GeneralAntillesGod I hate resolution trolls.05:54
goodwilluhsf: do you need speed or size?05:54
Realcomixlol05:54
SyncAdeam **** connection, goin home, will reconnect there... BBL05:55
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KenYoungGeneralAntilles, What's a "resolution troll" ?05:57
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GeneralAntillesKenYoung, a bugzilla user who typically REOPENs or re-RESOLVES bugs after a developer or triager has already closed them.05:58
GeneralAntillesSimilar to an edit war on wikipedia.05:58
KenYoungGeneralAntilles, Thanks, I'd never heard of that.05:59
uhsfgoodwill: I need a good compromise between speed and size.05:59
uhsfbut i'm mostly bored waiting for my N900 to be shipped06:01
goodwilluhsf: split the difference ... get a 12GB with medium speed06:02
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solrizeanyone got a zagg sparq?  do you like it?  there is a $20 off coupon supposedly on logicbuy so i'm sort of thinking of ordering one.  and i don't even have an n900 yet :(06:04
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uhsfNokia N900 accessories I ordered are: Clarivue Ultra-Clear screen protector, Crystal Case from eBay and Shure Music Phone Adapter MPA-3C.06:09
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uhsfI will wait for the Mugen Power extended battery and 32GB microSD cards to be available and get this also.06:11
solrizegood plan06:12
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phreckflashing via linux is retarded simple.06:21
phrecki cant believe i even tried via windows06:21
microlith'tis06:21
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microlithI'm glad that vmware can map usb devices directly into a VM without trouble06:22
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phreckyah06:22
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solrizehttp://www.wayneschulz.com/2010/01/zagg-sparq-promises-4-iphone-recharges-can-it-deliver/   brutal review, maybe i will try to build my own portable pack from aa cells06:31
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janszoonPhotos off th n900: How do you get yours off? I used to use PCSuite for older nokia, worked quite well, ordered photos by day taken etc. n900 does not work for photos with PCSuite and as far as I know knot for OVi suite either.......any ideas????06:33
janszoonYes I know mass sotrage, but I dont want to name all the folders etc...to transfer06:33
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microlithjanszoon: mass storage is pretty much it... at least for me06:39
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janszoonmicrolith - thanks.....might have to try picasa or something06:41
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Jef91Hey all - is there a way I can force my n900 to stop accessing mydocs so it gives it to my computer when I plug it in?06:51
derfReboot it.06:51
derfAnd hope you're faster than the media scanner.06:51
Jef91:-/06:52
Jef91Thats super annoying06:52
derfNo kidding.06:52
derfI want to disable the media scanner completely.06:52
Jef91No other way?06:52
GeneralAntillesJef91, SFTP is less work.06:52
Jef91General SFTP?06:52
GeneralAntillesInstall OpenSSH server06:52
GeneralAntillesConnect with an SFTP client.06:52
derfGeneralAntilles: That requires setting up USB networking. Or having wifi.06:52
derfWhich most of the past week or two I have not had.06:53
Jef91Thats way over kill...06:53
GeneralAntillesJef91, it's easier than having to attach it.06:53
Jef91Plus I'm not always connecting to a Linux PC06:53
GeneralAntillesYou can transfer files to it from anywhere.06:53
Jef91I only need it for USB because it is many gigs06:53
Jef91and wifi is slow...06:53
Jef91And I only have an 8 gig micro sd card06:54
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derfOr, when I have wifi, like right now, it will only let a single device connect at a time.06:54
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Jef91Its a shame fat32 doesn't support symlinks06:57
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Jef91that would be the quick fix06:57
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goodwillanyone managed to download ovi maps onto the device07:31
goodwillI tried following:http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?s=99035a40ee972fcd9db84654cfc17e67&t=3887207:31
goodwillto no luck07:31
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prontothat maps app that is included?07:31
goodwillyeah07:31
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goodwillappearantly its possible to do an offline download07:32
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prontoheh odd timing, i so just ran it07:32
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goodwillpronto: did it work?07:32
prontoyeah o.O why wouldnt it?07:32
goodwillcause it does not work for me07:32
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goodwillhow did you do it?07:32
prontoi clicked it07:32
prontoand it came up O_o07:32
goodwillclicked what?07:32
prontothe maps icon07:33
goodwillI am trying to use the PC Suite07:33
prontonever used that07:33
goodwillhow did you do it?07:33
prontoby cilcking the program that came with the phone , and it just worked07:34
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goodwillthat does not help07:34
goodwillI am not sure what you are talking about07:34
prontoi know i'm looing at a map, that has a red dot where i am07:34
goodwillthats no offline maps07:35
goodwillI am talking about loading all the maps for use offline07:35
prontooh07:35
prontonever tried that07:35
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Proteousthat's no moon07:41
prontoyou can only do thiw with that method?07:41
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RST38hGoogle is investigating whether one or more of its employees in China helped launch the cyber attack against it last month08:05
RST38hah! the witch hunt!08:05
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Proteouswhy they start burning them at the stake let me know08:16
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Proteousor compairing their weight to a ducks...08:17
Guest63262I've uploaded a couple packages; they compiled and said they were fine.  However, they are not being imported or showing up in the list.   It has been several hours.   Who do I need to ping to get this fixed?   In fact the lists of packages on the sidebar are out of date.08:18
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* GeneralAntilles groans at bug #825308:22
povbot`Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8253 Phone heats up when 3G connection established.08:22
Proteouslol08:24
Proteousthat's not a bug, I use it to keep my hands warm08:24
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ruskie:)08:26
ruskieactually it has it established here and it's not heating up08:26
ruskieit does though if I run openvpn08:26
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* RST38h yawns08:32
RST38hGeneral: Does it really heat up? =)08:33
GeneralAntillesRST38h, not a clue, never used 3G on the goddamn thing.08:33
threshcause it would help surviving the walk for me08:33
prontoheh, i cant scroll though a moive (86min long) with the default media player, but with kmplayer i can08:34
RST38hGeneral: We finally got 3G here (spot coverage) but I have never seen it heat up08:34
* GeneralAntilles 's 5-a-Day is done.08:34
Exconvictriddickhi08:35
RST38hNow, running Transmission makes it heat up really fast, really well08:35
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Proteousit heats up when you use a lot of CPU08:36
Proteousso I guess it probably is more warm when browsing with 3g then with 2g08:36
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Proteoussince the browser spends more time rendering and less time waiting for the data08:37
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Proteousor if you are streaming video over 3g which you can't do over 2g really08:37
Exconvictriddickcan anyone recommend a good converter mp4/h264 for 900?08:37
Proteoushandbrake08:37
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Proteoushttp://handbrake.fr/08:38
Exconvictriddicki tried handbrake. it didnt work.i even followed the guide in maemo.org.08:38
Proteousworks for me08:38
GeneralAntillesProteous, 3G consumes more power.08:38
GeneralAntillesThus, more heat.08:38
ProteousGeneralAntilles: yes08:38
Exconvictriddickwhat plist did you use? did you create your own?08:38
GeneralAntillesProteous, my 5800, for instance, would heat up nearly to scalding just with extended tethering.08:39
Exconvictriddickpresent i meanrt08:39
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ProteousGeneralAntilles: yeah, just sitting there not transfering any data it would be fine, but if you are actualy using the 3g connection the phone gets warm, it's unavoidable until we get quantum chips I guess08:39
ProteousExconvictriddick ment preset08:39
RST38hWeird08:39
alongstHi All. I just had my calendar and notes/tasks erased. Any ideas where to look for the lost data? I can use a terminal / ssh into the device.08:40
WolfieExconvictriddick: coding on apple lately, have we? :)08:40
alongstI'm using an n90008:40
ruskiegah... just stupid...08:40
RST38hGeneral: it is true that 3G uses more power, but to heat up the phone to scalding temperatures?08:40
ruskiesomeone figured out why camera didn't work on ext308:40
RST38hWeird...May depend on the amount of data transferred though...08:41
ruskiestupid permissions on DCIM dir08:41
Exconvictriddickno. not real expert in video coding. i just want to play whole dexter hd in my 900. /sigh08:41
Proteousbug #ID10T my video card heats up when I play 3d games on my comptuer08:42
ruskie:)08:42
Proteouscauses annoying fan noise08:42
Proteousmaybe they will fix it in the next driver update08:42
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chetanis talk.maemo.org down again?08:44
TTilusmy desktop effects have been really jerky since last update08:44
Proteousit was up?08:44
TTiluswhere to start debugging?08:44
TTilustop shows noting suspicious08:44
chetanProteous: lol08:44
TTilus(somebody already suggested its reindexing and thus slow)08:44
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ruskiechetan, hmm looks like it to me08:48
chetanruskie: hmm.. i can't connect to it. i can ping the server, but can't telnet to port 8008:50
ruskiehmm anyone managed to use a .mkv for hildon-welcome vid?08:52
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ShadowJK_RST38h, also wakeups :-)08:58
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ShadowJK_on edge amount of power used is more closely correlated with amount of data transfered08:58
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mecegood morning maemites09:05
ProteousExconvictriddick: I can give you the preset that I used09:05
lcukn900mornin09:05
ProteousExconvictriddick: it is a custom one I made to encode video for my n97, works fine for the n900 too although I could probably up the resolution and bitrate, still looks great though09:05
mece"It's not just you!  http://talk.maemo.org looks down from here."09:05
Proteoushttp://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/09:06
meceexactly09:06
Proteous:)09:06
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meceso what's up with tmo? server move there too?09:07
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tekojomece, looks like it crashed09:07
mecetekojo, fun times :)09:07
goodwillnice09:07
tekojoReggie just appeared online, so I guess it should be handled soon09:07
lcukn900tekojo, random reboot lol09:07
goodwillmaemo.org has been getting the smackdown since n900 came out09:08
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Nathanael_AndersTekojo, do you have access to the server that promotes the stuff from the builderbots to extras-devel.  It appears to be down also.09:09
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tekojogoodwill yes, the loads have been pretty amazing09:09
ruskie/home/user/.config/user-dirs.dirs <-- hmm anyone know what this file should contain?09:09
* lcukn900 heads through the snow to the nrc09:09
tekojoNathanael no, that's Ed and Niels09:10
goodwillruskie: user dirs for the freedesktop .deskto directories?09:10
Nathanael_Andersk, thx.09:10
ruskiegoodwill, hmm09:10
tekojoping X-Fade and he'll notice it09:10
tekojoNathanael what's your package name?09:11
Nathanael_AndersSamba, and Truecrypt.09:11
tekojoOoh, big ones09:11
Nathanael_AndersBut the sidebar shows packages from like much earlier; so I suspect the whole process failed.09:12
fralsNathanael_Anders: i noticed it showed up in -devel when browsing on device way before it showed up on the webpage (maemo.org/packages)09:12
fralsthats what happend to my package anyway09:12
Nathanael_AndersYeah, I got bored with the small ones like Cifs.   Had to try some big ones.  ;-D09:12
tekojoYes, last one seems to be yesterday at 17:15 UTC09:12
alongstFor whomever was interested, I found a backup in ~user/.calendar, it is sqlite3, just copying it should work. I was trying syncevolution, may be related, no idea how. Thanks for listening.09:19
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tekojotmo back on-line09:24
Proteousdon't everyone load it up at once or it will go down again09:24
Proteoustoo late...09:25
tekojoit was running an update (what a weird time to do that)09:25
ShadowJK_monday morning would be better ;)09:26
mecetekojo,  it's never a good time since it's not centered on a particular continent.09:26
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tekojoThe best time we know is the EET early morning hours09:27
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goodwillfantastic reviews ... "maemo is the first device LOSELY based on linux"09:31
goodwillmarooons09:31
goodwillLOOSELY09:31
ruskierofl09:32
ruskieI think that would be Android, PalmPre, etc...09:33
goodwillpretty much09:33
ruskiethose are losley based09:33
ruskiemaemo is a full distro09:33
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ruskiegah why does the camera need to be so stupid09:33
goodwillalso given linux is a kernel even android and palmpre is fully linux09:34
threshorly09:34
goodwillI still would like for the camera key not to bring the camera09:34
thomazi forgot in which i file a set the location for the default folders in MyDocs... anybody?09:35
* goodwill contemplates recompiling camera app09:35
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ruskieI would like the camera to NOT be volume based but just point it where you want to store09:35
goodwillruskie: I think you can ... I set it for internal storage only09:35
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ruskiegoodwill, erm... no you can't09:35
goodwillyeah you can09:36
ruskiegoodwill, it needs a volume09:36
ruskiei.e partition09:36
ruskienot a directory09:36
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goodwillyou mean you want to set a folder?09:36
ruskieyes09:36
goodwillI see09:36
thomaznevermind, found it09:36
goodwillovi maps really make me sad09:36
goodwillanyone here use ovi maps 3.0 are they really good?09:37
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timeless_mbpgoodwill: is that the web app or the thing for other platforms?09:39
goodwilltimeless_mbp: web app?09:39
timeless_mbpis that your final answer?09:39
goodwillI am not really sure what you are refering to?09:40
ruskiedear nokia... please make the camera app less anal about where it can store images09:41
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goodwillI think DCIM folder is the camera standard?09:42
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ruskiegoodwill, yeah but the app doesn't care about that at this stage... only: I have no volume I can store to09:43
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ruskie:)09:45
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Corsacmode +R would help09:45
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ruskieCorsac, that's why they go with CTCPs09:45
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goodwillfreaking windows bots09:46
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tigert /ignore *!*@* CTCPS09:46
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tigertthat works good for irssi09:46
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goodwillso far my xchat scripts are protecting meee ...09:47
goodwillhehehe09:47
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pwnguini get a bunch of 'no such nick/channel' messages instead09:47
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ruskieI hardly notice anything09:47
ruskiepwnguin, that would be one of your scripts I think09:47
ruskieI get those as well09:47
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ruskieevery so often09:47
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pwnguini think they're related09:47
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goodwillautomatic CTCP ignore scripts09:47
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ruskiegoodwill, that's what /ignore is for09:48
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Corsac[08:48:02]    1 *: CTCPS09:48
Corsacdidn't remember that :)09:48
ruskie:)09:48
goodwillruskie: I got automatic ignoring for too many requests :)09:48
pwnguingetting ctcp's from non existent users09:48
ruskiegoodwill, lol... I just ignore outright09:48
Fatalhmm, doesn't freenode use ctcp to probe for bots during connect?09:48
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ruskiethey're free to do so09:49
ruskieand I'm free to ignore the probe09:49
ruskieand I don't think it's bots09:49
ghastwow i hate these fucking asshole trolls09:49
ruskieit's open proxies09:49
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tigertwhatever, put ctcp on ignore and go on with life09:49
ruskieyup09:49
tigertits not like ctcp is that useful in daily life anyway09:50
ruskieand regex ignore the rest09:50
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jaskaexcept.. ctcp action \o/09:50
tigertI mean, the only time I see it is usually with floodbots :)09:50
tigertwell, duh :)09:50
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mecedamm09:50
Fatalruskie: I only mentioned it since I've forgotten how it reacts to no replies :)09:50
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go1dfishhow would one reverse that command09:51
go1dfishon irssi /ignore *!*@* CTCPS09:51
ghastare you go1dfish from efnet09:51
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ghast#anxiety09:51
pwnguingo1dfish: type /ignore and get a list09:51
pwnguinthen /unigore #09:51
Fatalruskie: but yes, you're correct, faq states they don't require it, might be another network I'm confusing that with09:51
go1dfishghast: I haven't been to efnet for quite a while and never frequented it, so likely not09:51
ghastare you lying09:52
go1dfishcool pwnguin thanks09:52
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go1dfishno09:52
adeusyou can ignore ctcps from freenode only if you want09:52
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go1dfishthis is me: http://tunetrack.net/go1dfish09:52
ghastsup w/ those pubes on your chin holmes09:53
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go1dfishthey are now shaved, the hair is much shorter now to heh09:53
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Stskeepsblah, attack again?09:55
go1dfishI'm a lazy mofo, that's why I am a developer09:55
Stskeepsoh dear, GNAA is at it again?09:55
ghastthey already killed lilo09:56
ghastwhy must they bother us again09:56
go1dfishStskeeps: that was my reaction I hadn't seen anything from GNAA since the slashdot css makeover (i.e. when they went away from the horrible table layout)09:56
Stskeepsmore importantly, why doesn't their IRCd have throttling09:56
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meceghast, perhaps it's easy..09:57
ghast02:55 < Stskeeps> oh dear, GNAA is at it again?09:57
ghastoops mispaste09:57
go1dfishfreenode has a smaller percentage of windows users (and therefore owned boxes), and script kiddies that most other irc networks, so the admins are lulled into a false sense of security?09:57
ghastor maybe they are just incompetent09:58
Stskeepsgo1dfish: it could also be that ircd coders are a dying breded09:58
goodwillirc is usually not a good playground for bots09:58
Stskeepsbreed09:58
* Stskeeps got out of it in time09:58
goodwillits usually techie infested09:58
go1dfishStskeeps: heh I've never tried to write an ircd, clients on occasion, but never crazy enough to write an ircd09:59
pwnguingo1dfish: i figure it's like natural selection09:59
MyrttiOr maybe you should concentrate on helping them  test the new ircd instead of complaining09:59
pwnguingo1dfish: you know how antibiotic strains of staph accumulate in hospitals?09:59
pwnguingo1dfish: well, freenode accumulates banhammer resistant botnets09:59
go1dfishpwnguin: yeah, they are whats left off after all the drugs/antivirals etc... kill the rest09:59
go1dfishand they breed09:59
StskeepsMyrtti: freenode ircd's are another pandora's box of stuff :P10:00
* Stskeeps sips his coffee10:00
go1dfishconsidering freenode's audience, I'd expect the attacks here to be more sophisticated/interesting, and less frequent10:00
go1dfishthan say efnet10:00
MyrttiWasnt saying theyre not10:00
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ghastdid you know that the attacks actually dont work on efnet10:01
ghastseems theyre a little more sophisticated10:01
ghastand all while handling so many users10:01
Stskeepsghast: nah, they just have seen the type of attacks before and implemented defenses against them10:01
ghastwhat an odd sense of superiority freenode has10:01
go1dfishghast: I was speaking more of the people who chat on freenet moreso than the admins10:01
go1dfishdue to all the warez etc, efnet has a lot more easy targets10:02
go1dfishI would expect that on the whole the userbase (not the admins) are more comp. savvy than the userbase of efnet10:02
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ghastwhy do you expect that10:03
Stskeepsgo1dfish: i don't think admins are as visible as they are on efnet.10:03
go1dfishghast: because most of the channels, and traffic on freenode is related to development10:03
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PitHi - I think my N900 is brokent - I just got it10:04
StskeepsPit: what are the issues?10:04
PitThere is no WIFI10:04
PitLaptop shows 5-10 wireless access points, N900 shows none10:04
PitEven if I enter my home router's SSID etc. manually, it doesn't work10:05
go1dfishwhat firmware version are you running?10:05
go1dfishSettings -> About10:05
Pit11-42, I think10:05
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go1dfishI'd try flashing to 51 or whatever the latest is and see if that helps, but I haven't heard of any issues like that before10:06
PitI tried a bit fiddling with the USB flahers, but didnt get it to work10:06
Pitbut i was wondering, if this is a hardware defect, shouldn't dmesg show something suspicious?10:07
adeuswell you should see messages from wl125110:08
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adeusat least I do when it works10:08
PitI think I saw them, too.... but let me check10:09
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PitYeah... I have some w11251 messages. The last one is "firmware booted"10:10
adeusThen I'd say it works10:10
PitHmmm.... any idea what I can do to find out what's going on?10:11
PitIt's a sad device without wifi10:12
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goodwill*sighs*10:13
goodwillis it wrong to try to convince people that n900 supports nextel and verizon by using Custom Operator Name Widget10:14
Proteouslol10:15
Proteousdepends, do you like these people?10:15
Pitis there a way to use the terminal to see wireless accesspoints?10:15
PitE.g., like "iwlist scan" does under my linux box?10:15
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L0cutusre10:17
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Pitanyone has an idea? I'm desperate!10:18
ifreqgo see a doctor10:18
PitI did, but he said "go, chat on #maemo"10:18
Cy8aerPit: (hard way, and I do not know, if it is compiled allready) kismet?10:18
goodwillPit I think you have to install it10:18
Pitinstall kismet, you mean?10:19
StskeepsPit: did you try with flasher under ubuntu 32-bit or the likes?10:19
ifreqwifi should work quite straight from the box10:19
goodwillPit: I think its: apt-get install wireless-tools10:19
PitI used opensuse10:19
Pitgoodwill: don't I need network for apt-get?10:20
goodwillyes ... you can use a usb set up10:20
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ifreqPit: you didnt mention your 3G does not work10:20
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Pitifreq: no, WIFI (WLAN) doesn't work10:20
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Pitgoodwill: where can i find instructions to set up usb networking?10:20
goodwillPit: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking10:21
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ifreqis the wireless tool package so huge you cannot download it via 3G?10:21
Pitthanks - I'll try this!10:21
PitI dont have a data contract10:21
goodwillPit: you'll need rootsh first10:22
goodwillPit: run ifconfig to see if you have a wlan interface?10:22
Pitok10:23
mecedoes romaniausa on tmo seem rather young, or is it just me that think so?10:23
Pitwhat is the path for ifconfig?10:23
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goodwill/sbin/ifconfig10:23
Pitthx10:23
goodwillPit: put my nick in your questions ... cause otherwise it does not alert me10:24
Pitgoodwill: o.k. - i have wlan0 and wmaster0 and some others10:24
ifreqor you can continue on private goodwill10:24
goodwillifreq: why?10:24
goodwillifreq: maybe if I can not help others can read the discussion and step in10:25
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goodwillPit: so wlan0 being there is already good10:26
* RST38h reMoos10:26
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hrwmorning10:27
mecehrw, mornin'10:27
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koala_manI'm trying to set up mail for exchange with google calendar. after I enter the account details, it sits there for a bit and finally gives some vague message about communication errors with exchange server, but the calendar is synchronized10:27
RST38hmoorning hrw10:28
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koala_manbut since it thinks it fails, I can't save the connection or anything10:28
koala_manwhat's up with that?10:28
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* RST38h is constantly getting invited to join Facebook by people he does not know10:29
RST38hIs it some kind of spam Facebook itself is sending out?10:29
ifreqnope10:29
StskeepsRST38h: people using their feature to spam people on your email list10:29
hrwRST38h: to facebook or to VK?10:30
Stskeepson their address list10:30
RST38hFacebook10:30
RST38hSts: Oh =(10:30
RST38hOMG bug #4371 is finally fixed!!!10:30
povbot`Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4371 Scrollbar handle in subscriptions list does not look like a handle.10:30
aquatixmoaning10:30
goodwillPit: how is it going?10:31
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Pitgoodwill: I'm not sure what to do now10:31
RST38hThe replacement still vaguely looks like a Mac user turd, but it is definitely better than the previous piece10:32
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goodwillPit: set up usb networking10:32
goodwillPit: then use Application Manager to install rootish10:32
Pitgoodwill: how can I enable RD mode?10:33
goodwillPit: then run terminal and: "rootsh apt-get install wireless-tools"10:33
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goodwillPit: which maemo version are you running10:33
Pitgoodwill: Maemo 5 (?)10:33
goodwillPit: Settings > About10:34
goodwillPit: there should be a version10:34
goodwillPit: 42 ? or 51?10:34
Pitgoodwill: 1.2009.42-11.00210:35
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goodwillPit: in that case you can enable Red Pill10:35
goodwillPit: but you still need a netwok connection first10:35
Pitgoodwill: thanks - but how?10:35
goodwillPit: so try the USB tutorial I sent10:36
goodwillPit: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking10:36
Pitgoodwill: When I follow usb network instructions, I enter "sudo gainroot", it says "Enable RD mode if you want to break your device"10:36
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goodwillhmm10:36
goodwillPit: http://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode10:36
ml-N900did you install the rootsh package?10:36
goodwillml-N900: he does not have networking10:37
goodwillno wireless10:37
ml-N900no wifi even?10:37
ml-N900ouch10:37
Stskeepsdid you verify flashing doesn't work? ..10:37
Stskeeps:P10:37
tekojogoodwill red pill is out as of 1.0.110:37
Pitml-900: this is the problem - wifi does not work10:37
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goodwilltekojo: he still ahs 1.010:38
goodwillhas10:38
tekojook10:38
ml-N900Pit: I'd suggest Stskeeps reflash suggestion10:39
Pitgoodwill: the N900 is brand new. I could try to install new firmware using NSU from nokia europe. But not sure - I'm in the US and I don't want to break warranty, especially since it looks something might be broken...?10:39
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StskeepsPit: i would just use flasher-3.5 really10:40
ml-N900Pit: so you can't see any access points at all?10:40
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goodwillPit: you can reflash using using the flasher 3.510:40
Pitml-N900: no, no access points10:41
goodwillPit: a really stupid question ... is your wlan available?10:41
goodwillthe route10:41
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goodwillrouter10:41
* goodwill got to go10:41
Pitgoodwill: yeah, I can try flasher again... but it didn't work.. some usb error message10:41
goodwillPit: good luck ... people here are helpful10:41
Pitgoodwill: thanks a log!10:41
Pitgoodwill: a lot10:42
goodwillsorry could not help more :)10:42
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Pitml-N900: yes, i have my own wifi router on, several other devices connect fine. also, lots of access points in the neighbourhood10:42
ml-N900hmm10:42
adeusthe antenna might be broken10:43
ml-N900yeah, reflash once then RMA10:43
Pitadeus: yeah, that's a good point10:43
cosmooff-topic question,  but i'm getting lines like this in my irssi's server window: 09:47 [freenode] -!- crolqsdumxbe: No such nick/channel10:43
Pitml-N900: o.k., I'll try...10:43
Stskeepscosmo: attacks on freenode, disable ctcp responses10:43
cosmois this normal and any ideas what might be causing it?10:43
Pitml-N900: too bad I was so much looking forward to getting this10:44
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ml-N900 Pit: yeah that does suck. but sometimes lemons pop up10:44
cosmoStskeeps: ok, thanks10:44
StskeepsPit: grab a ubuntu livecd, 32-bit and try there10:44
Stskeepsusb error is usually on the host.10:44
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PitStskeeps: o.k., I can do this. But I have a Windoze laptop, couldn't I use the NSU?10:45
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StskeepsPit: we've used flasher in community for ages and sometimes it is less buggy than NSU :P10:46
Stskeepsis it a 64-bit or 32-bit laptop?10:46
PitStskeeps: o.k., then I should use flasher10:46
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Stskeepsyeah, and grab a fiasco image from tablets-dev.nokia.com10:46
PitStskeeps: laptop is 64-bit, but Windoze is 32-bit. Linux is 64-bit10:46
Stskeepsright, 32-bit windows should do the trick10:46
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PitStskeeps: o.k. - thanks for your help10:47
StskeepsPit: let me know if there's any problems10:47
PitStskeeps: O.k. will do10:47
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go1dfishPit: does bluetooth work?10:48
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go1dfishPit: on the n900 wifi and bt share an antenna10:48
Pitgo1dfish: Didnt try10:48
Pitgo1dfish: Have never really used bluetooth for anything10:49
go1dfishcool, well if it doesn't work after the flash, try out bt and see what happens10:49
Pitgo1dfish: good idea!10:49
go1dfishyeah I don't use it much either10:49
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go1dfishantenna issue is the first thing that comes to mind that could be hardware problem and have dmesg still show up right10:50
rohit22hi10:50
Proteous(after 10 hours of troubleshooting we find out Pit's n900 was in offline mode)10:50
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Pitgo1dfish: makes sense, although its the least desirable one - sending it back and waiting forever until i get a replacement - sucks10:50
rohit22hello all10:51
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Proteoushi10:51
PitProteous: what's offline mode? ;-)10:51
Proteous:P10:51
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rohit22i m new in maemo... i need u ppl help ..i want to know how to get start with mameo..10:52
Proteousget started doing what?10:52
ifreqrohit22: you can start going thru maemo.org talk.maemo.org10:52
juhjokelrohit22: Regarding software development?10:52
rohit22yes10:52
juhjokelrohit22: http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html10:53
juhjokelsdk installer10:53
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juhjokelrohit22: Of course could ask first, if you are using linux :)10:53
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sejoI cannot seem to install the maemo update10:55
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ifreqsejo: please explain more.10:55
sejoalways states I have not enough memory on target10:55
sejohow can I fix that?10:55
ifreqsejo: then clean up some installed apps10:55
sejoI uninstalled a lot of apps already10:55
ifreqyour root fs is full10:55
sejogot 18 M free10:55
ifrequninstall more10:55
mecesejo, http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space10:56
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Hukkasejo: Also run apt-get clean10:57
Hukkasejo: At least in my case HAM hadn't done that automatically, I got 17 megs extra space10:57
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Hukkasejo: And reboot the tablet, as the file system is compressing and is smallest just after booting10:58
Exconvictriddickhow do you press ctrl F7 on n900?10:59
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Gadgetoid_mbpKapow!11:02
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JaffaMorning, all11:07
JaffaX-Fade: ping11:08
X-FadeJaffa: Here.11:08
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Gadgetoidmorning11:08
JaffaX-Fade: Is /packages/ known to be broken? (Not updated since 2010-01-15 08:05, AFAICT)11:08
Nathanael_AndersX-fade, the process to move files from the builders to the extra-devel seems to be down.11:09
X-FadeJaffa: The build part needs a bit of work for the new situation still.11:09
X-FadeJaffa: And the import part is down because we're working on the maintenance server.11:10
X-FadeJaffa: But that is only for a few hours.11:10
JaffaX-Fade: Righto. ETA? (I'll send a mail to maemo-developers)11:10
X-FadeJaffa: Depends on the agenda today. There is a lot of stuff going on ;)11:10
woglindehi x-fade11:10
X-FadeAnybody seen this before?11:11
X-Fade23:56:48 up 14665 days, 18:06,  1 user,  load average: 0.99, 0.97, 0.9111:11
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StskeepsX-Fade: maemo.org is older than any of us?11:11
X-FadeIs this clock counting backwards or what? :)11:11
woglinde*g*11:11
Stskeeps40 years uptime, not bad11:12
Stskeeps:P11:12
ruskie:)11:12
woglindex-fade is this error because moving from builders dont works?11:12
X-Fadewoglinde: No, will need to look into that.11:12
sejomece: thanks!11:12
sejoHukka: thanks11:13
Hukkasejo: Which one helped you?11:13
sejothe link and yours is good info :p11:14
sejowell the dist-upgrade is renning11:14
sejobight brick my phone :p11:14
sejos/bight/might/11:14
infobotsejo meant: might brick my phone :p11:14
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arachnistX-Fade: i had an opensolaris virtual machine reporting that kind of uptime... after several reboots11:16
X-Fadearachnist: this is a kvm.11:16
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arachnistmine was vmware-server11:16
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sejonow to get the dpkg tool onto my fedora so I can start playing :p11:18
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sejohmm appears that the new nokia version made it quicker?11:22
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sejomaemo version I mear11:22
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Corsacfor which value of “new”?11:24
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X-FadeNathanael_Anders: Issue should be resolved now.11:37
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woglindethanks x-fade11:40
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pupnikgood morning woglinde11:41
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woglindejo pupnik11:44
vanksihas anyone managed to get vpnc-gui's autoconnect to work?11:45
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vanksiand also, how could i make a shortcut to bash shell11:49
arachnistxterm -e bash11:50
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Stskeepshow on earth can i have two jehovas witnesses visits in two weeks12:03
X-FadeStskeeps: You showed interest the first time?12:03
StskeepsX-Fade: "not interested" "slam door"12:03
adeusyou should've asked what's the point since your heaven is full12:04
Avea challenge12:04
ruskielol12:04
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ruskieI tend to listen to all these people that come to the door12:04
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ruskielet them talk and talk and talk12:04
ruskiethen say not interested12:04
ruskieand slam the door12:04
Stskeeps"let me introduce you to cheap polish vodka and strippoker"12:05
ruskieI do the same for telemarketers12:05
ruskieworks like a treat12:05
adeusor about the whacky predictions they make12:05
adeusand why they're always false12:05
ruskiethey get to have their pitch and after that they never call again as they see I'm a waste of time :)12:05
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ruskieand I always either sound or look really interested12:06
fatal^Stskeeps: this worked for me (didn't do it on purpose): show basic interest first time based on the assumption that you get rid of them faster by letting them say whatever they came for, promise to read up on the litterature they hand out until next time, next time open up using "I give blood donations" t-shirt..... Resulted in "You're not very interested, are you?" and never having any visits again. :)12:06
Pitgo1dfish: still there?12:07
Pitgo1dfish: bluetooth works12:07
Pitgo1dfish: updated, but doesnt help12:07
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TTilusmy desktop effects (app change, desktop slide, background fade on menu, scroll) have been jerky and jumpy since last system upgrade, any idea why?  how to debug?  top shows >95% idle and nothing suspicious and scrolling/effects still jump randomly, but at least once every single time12:11
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felipecX-Fade: hello12:22
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X-Fadefelipec: Hi12:23
felipecX-Fade: any update regarding the missing dependencies issue? would updating the package again help?12:23
* thresh wants python-xcbgen in repos12:24
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woglindethresh whats the problem?12:24
woglindetake debain package optify it12:24
woglindeand upload it12:24
felipecwoglinde: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/telepathy-msn-pecan/0.1.0~rc2-0maemo612:24
felipecthe build system added those missing dependencies, not me12:25
threshwoglinde: the problem is that libxcb source package has that binary package but it's not published12:25
threshi have no idea why12:25
threshand i need that for vlc12:25
Guest85647hi! has anybody the extra plugins installed for conversations. i can not create an account for icq.12:25
X-Fadefelipec: We're probably going back to 1.0 SDK soon.12:25
X-Fadefelipec: And rebuild everything submitted after 1.1 sdk release.12:25
woglindex-fade was quicker12:25
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felipecX-Fade: so in the mean time there's no way I can promote my package?12:26
X-Fadefelipec: No, it will be removed behind the scenes and rebuilt.12:26
felipeccrap12:26
X-FadeThis is the best  thing we can do for end users.12:27
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woglindethresh uh what binary package?12:27
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woglindethresh apt-get source libxcb?12:28
felipecX-Fade: yeah, but in the meantime my users need to enable extras-devel just to use this package12:28
threshwoglinde: oh, sorry, i was wrong with the source package name. It is xcb-proto, of course.12:29
woglindefelipec I am sure they will solve it that week12:29
woglindeI think your user can just wait this couple of days12:29
X-Fadefelipec: You have to put your misery in the background on this.12:29
threshwoglinde: yeah, i did apt-get source xcb-proto and rebuilt that package and got python-xcbgen binary deb. I wonder why the latter is not available by default, without rebuilding, though.12:30
X-FadeIt should not break for end-users.12:30
woglindethresh ????12:30
threshduh.12:30
X-FadeI know that is a pain, but there is not more I can do.12:30
X-FadeI didn't release the sdk :)12:30
felipecwoglinde: yes, but I will need to keep checking until I see it's solved, and then click on promote12:30
woglindex-fade the left hand?12:30
woglindeor the right?12:31
woglindeepic fail of to low communication12:31
X-Fadefelipec: There will be a post when everything is done.12:31
X-Fadewoglinde: Well the problem has always been there.12:31
felipecX-Fade: ah, cool :)12:31
X-FadeBut in diablo we just don't cared.12:31
X-FadeWhich resulted in uninstallable apps in Extras.12:31
X-FadeBetter prevent that now, we should be more professional as a community too.12:32
threshokay, here we go. There is a source package named xcb-proto. debian/control in it it has two binary packages: xcb-proto and python-xcbgen. Latter is not available on public repos.12:32
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X-FadeWorks for me is not enough ;)12:32
AdmiralSausageGuest85647, I can create an account in ICQ but it never oconnects. same thing? pidgin rorks jufst fine12:32
mecewhere's the random reboot bug?12:32
Stskeepsthresh: python isn't part of SDK i think so12:32
Guest85647AdmiralSausage: Same problem here12:33
threshStskeeps: yeah, that's why http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=python returns so many 'python' packages.12:33
Guest85647pidgin worksfor sure.12:33
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jjopython is in the repositories, but it's not officially supported12:33
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Stskeepsah12:33
jjoalso we do not provide all binaries for all source packages on purpose12:34
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jjosometimes it's a mistake but not always12:34
Stskeepsworth exploring in a bug report maybe, jjo?12:34
jjopossibly12:34
threshjjo: how do i know if it is?12:34
AdmiralSausageGuest85647, I don't use ICQ much so not a big deal for me. wierd that pidgin is ok as it's the same library underneath.12:34
jjobut usually we try to provide the binaries that are on the device12:35
Stskeepsthresh: submit a bug on it against SDK, missing binary package and let's see what it concludes with. it can be a plus for you that it is a package you need but you can't include in extras cos it's in SDK12:35
AdmiralSausageIM is a huge battery drainer for me so I can't generally stay online anyway12:35
threshthe lack of python-xcbgen is the most annoying thing because i cant build VLC for maemo without it12:35
threshStskeeps: okay.12:35
Stskeepsand mention your specific use case12:36
jjoif a developer developes a piece of software against binaries in the SDK it would be nice if it was pretty likely to work on the device also12:36
jjowithout extra binaries12:36
wazdhello maemo12:36
threshit will.12:36
woglindehi wazd12:36
woglindelibnl1 is problem too12:36
felipecAdmiralSausage: it depends which telepathy CMs you use for IM12:36
jjoand without the temptation to add the SDK repositories on the device to satisfy these dependencies == bad idea12:36
felipecI have no problems staying online all the time12:37
Guest85647Admiralsausage: Yes. So i think I will use pidgin in the future as I already do.12:37
threshyeah, of course. the plan is to minimize vlc external dependancies.12:37
Stskeepsthresh: why does it need python-xcb btw?12:37
Stskeeps(out of curiousity)12:37
fralsah, only sent 75 MMS the last month, wasnt that bad ;D12:37
jjoif you need extra binaries in the SDK you'll most propably also understand that you have to provide them for the device also12:37
threshStskeeps: to build some contrib libraries vlc needs to be linked with.12:38
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Guest85647AdmiralSausage: I have the same power problems if i enable skype. Better stay offline with IMs.12:38
woglindethresh disable them for now12:38
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woglindeor you really needs the python-bindings?12:38
AdmiralSausagefelipec: got the "pidgin protocols plugin" so I'd assume they were using the same libpurple as pidgin itself (not checked though)12:39
felipecAdmiralSausage: yeah, they should... I think most libpurple plugins are poorly developed... but it also depends which ones exactly you use12:39
renatoHi! I've got my Nokia N900 bricked. I can't make it on Flashing mode (that's with the usb signal on the right upper corner). Cananyone help?12:40
Guest85647So in generally the icq plugin is broken.12:40
Guest85647Maybe I go to file a bugreport12:40
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felipecGuest85647: you can try on Pidgin's tracker, but I wouldn't have much hope on getting it fixed12:42
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AdmiralSausageGuest85647: looks like it. I can add the account, but can't sign in even with the same settings as pidgin. just stays on 'not signed in'12:42
Guest85647hm... but at least the developers get a msg that it's broken.12:42
Guest85647Yes. same for me.12:43
felipecwait, so it works in Pidgin on the N900, but not telepathy?12:43
Guest85647yes.12:43
AdmiralSausagefelipec: yes12:43
Guest85647pidgin works fine.12:43
felipecthen it's a telepathy-haze issue12:44
pupnikhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware  renato12:44
felipecyou can try disabling the account, then on a terminal: HAZE_PERSIST=1 HAZE_DEBUG=all /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-haze > ~/debug.log12:44
Guest85647so i should file the bug against telpathy-haze12:45
felipecGuest85647: I would file it against telepathy-extras: http://maemo.org/packages/view/telepathy-extras/12:45
felipecbut the debug log would be very useful12:46
Guest85647ah ok! I will do it later on.12:46
Guest85647Includung the log12:46
aephm constant 25% cpu usage when idle. is that normal?12:46
X-Fadeaep: How do you measure that?12:47
renatoPupnik: thanx, i've tried that but it doesn't go into Flash mode. Is there a way to make Win7 work as winXP?12:47
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aepX-Fade: htop12:47
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aepover ssh12:48
X-Fadeaep: Which app is running on top?12:48
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wjtIs there an officially-sanctioned way to file bugs against the Ovi Store?12:48
pupnikrenato: i don't know how to use windows12:48
Guest85647thx for your help!12:48
aepX and hildonsomething12:48
aephildon-desktop12:49
X-Fadeaep: Some applet active?12:49
aepapplet= widget?12:49
X-Fadeyes12:49
aepyes, lots12:49
X-Fadestart with disabling those ;)12:49
aeprss,  weather, calendar12:49
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X-FadeTo see if that stops it.12:49
aepthey draw even when idle? oO12:50
X-FadeThey should not.12:50
aepbut going to try, yeah12:50
kryptoz Hi! How do I install a .deb package in /home/user/MyDocs or any other partition other than root partition ? I wanted to install python and qt12:50
renatoPupnik: thanx again, seems that i'll have to keep on searching.... =\12:50
X-Fadeaep: But that would be a good thing to find out ;)12:50
felipecaep: also try dimming the screen12:50
pupnikrenato: make sure device is really off before pluggin in?  remove battery to make sure?12:50
felipecer, blanking12:50
aepfelipec: actually... i just figured that does it12:51
aepits all idle now, except dbus taking 10%12:51
aepoh and htop itself..12:51
felipechtop takes *a lot* of cpu12:51
aepthis thing doesnt have acpi has it? would be interesting to check with powertop12:51
X-FadeAlso notice that 25 of cpu in low frequency is different from 25% at full power.12:52
aepsince battery lasts not even a day12:52
aepyeah12:52
X-FadeThere is powertop.12:52
aepi'm more interested in wakups anyway12:52
aepreally?  where12:52
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X-Fadesdk/tools repo, IIRC.12:52
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aephm i have tools, but cant find powertop12:53
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renatoPupnik: i'll try connecting without the battery in. Do you know if the sim card needs to be in?12:54
AdmiralSausagefelipec: can't disable the accout as such as it doesn't have the checkbox. I think because it's never been signed in before.12:54
pupniki meant temporarily remove battery to ensure it is off.12:54
pupniki don't know if sim card affects flashing12:55
AdmiralSausagefelipec: talking about icq plugin again12:55
SpeedEvilrenato: can't remove bat and have it work12:55
AdmiralSausagefelipec: I can see plenty of activity in that log file when I sign into (eg) MSN. but when I attempt to sign in to ICQ, the account dialog disappears and nothin is written to the log.12:56
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aepaccording to google, powertop should be built in, but i dont have it. oO12:59
AdmiralSausageaep: i found that too. I got some guy to email it to me from this forum. not ideal, and noone could work out why i didn!t have it!13:01
aepi ordered mine from the us 3 weeks ago. you?13:01
renatoSpeedEvil: it seems the battery needs to be fully loaded for the flasher to work. Damn phone wont charged when fully bricked. Have to wait till i get my hands on a 5800 battery as i can't find anyone with the n900...13:01
AdmiralSausageuk, early december13:02
aepmight be broken formware. would explain all the crashes...13:02
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renatoThanx anyway guys!13:02
aepAdmiralSausage: US version too?13:02
AdmiralSausageaep: doubt it, i think it just doesn't ship with it. other people (i think) hat tetsting fw versions13:02
aepoh uk13:02
aephm13:03
SpeedEvilrenato: it will charge13:03
SpeedEvilrenato: it just won't charge at more than 100mA from a computer, or 500mA from the charger13:03
aeptesting might be more stable then what i have here :/13:03
SpeedEvilaccorfding at least to the l3/l4 manual13:03
aepany change of bricking when running testing?13:03
AdmiralSausageaep have you enabled extras devel & testing and apt-get install powertop? it might have been packaged since13:04
aepnot yet. i am about to13:04
SpeedEvilit's not.13:05
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SpeedEvilapt-get install powertop - dose nothing13:05
aepew :(13:05
skon Is it possible to install xpdf or evince. Can't seem to wrap text in default acroread reader13:05
aepwell i'll go compile it myself then later13:05
SpeedEvilskon: err - that's the whole point of pdf13:05
aepcan't be that hard, its just linux-arm isnt it?13:05
woglindehttp://maemo.org/packages/view/powertop/13:05
SpeedEvilskon: pdf is a fixed page format, you can't wrap it13:06
AdmiralSausageaep: will sent it direct to you if you're comfortable with it13:06
woglindesame as with libnl13:06
SpeedEvilConvert to html or something, and then ...13:06
skonSpeedEvil: Yeah might have to do that13:06
aepAdmiralSausage: sure.13:06
woglindeare you need to be root13:07
skonused to be able to wrap text in previous pdf reader13:07
woglindeapt-get install rootsh13:07
woglindesudo gainroot13:07
woglindepowertop13:07
aepwoglinde: you're talking to me?13:07
woglindesure13:07
aepi am root. and there is no powertop binary anywhere13:07
aep find / -name powertop  == nothing13:07
Remositheres never been powertop on my n900 either13:08
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woglinde/sbin/powertop13:08
aepwoglinde: nope13:08
aepall i have there is poweroff13:08
woglindeas root too?13:08
go1dfishPit: sounds like it's time to contact nokia13:08
Remosiaep, well... poweroff would help save significant amounts of energy on your phone.....13:09
aepwoglinde: yes13:09
woglindehm pr1.113:09
woglindemaybee13:09
aepwhat?13:09
woglindethe updated version13:09
aepwell i got mine from the second wave13:09
woglindedid you update it to pr1.1?13:10
woglindeand which country?13:10
aeperr, i did update it to something, yes13:10
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aepits a US device13:10
woglindemaybee thats the problwm13:10
woglindehm ah13:10
RemosiI have a Pr1.1, it is a US device (although I'm physically in NZ)13:10
woglindeI remember slightly some other us user didnt have powertop13:10
woglindemaybee powertop cannt scope with the cdma modem13:11
woglindebut that are all wild guesses13:11
woglindevi VDVsx13:11
aepum its a different modem?13:11
aepcrap13:11
woglindesure13:11
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woglindecdma vs. gsm13:11
go1dfishwoglinde: no13:11
go1dfishthere is no cdma version of the n90013:12
X-Fadewoglinde: there is no cdma modem ;)13:12
go1dfishthe us model is gsm like the rest of them13:12
aep think i have gsm. at least it _works_ here and all we have in .de is gsm13:12
woglindeuh?13:12
VDVsxwoglinde, I'm not a file, you can't open me with vi :D13:12
woglindelol13:12
go1dfishthere is WCDMA, but thats a whole different thing (3g for some gsm networks)13:12
go1dfishand all n900's support wcdma13:12
woglindeI thought without cdm you are lost in us13:12
AdmiralSausageVDVsx: everything is a file!13:12
aepwoglinde: i'm not in the US :P13:12
go1dfishthe only hardware difference I'm aware of across regions on the n900 is the keyboard layout/print13:13
go1dfishwoglinde: in the rural areas yeah, cdma is all there is13:13
aepand the .de keyboard sucks13:13
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go1dfishin more civilized/dense areas gsm coverage is decent/getting better13:13
woglindehm but still stands usversions missing powertop13:14
aepAdmiralSausage: nope that binary won't work D:13:14
aepstatus: Unknown job: pmtrackerdaemon13:14
go1dfishI'm pretty sure mine has powertop13:14
AdmiralSausageaep: really? did you run it a second time?13:15
aepyes13:15
aepuh wait, it works13:15
renatoSpeedEvil: i have tried a lots of ways to falsh the phone and read many many posts about ppl tryng to unbrick it. My last hope before taking it back to the shop is that the battery isn't fully loaded. I left it charging through the whole night and still it didn't charge. I hope (if i can fix it) that this thing won't happen very often as i need the phone to work properly cause i'm always travelling and can't waste much time unbrick13:15
aepits just different then the powertop i know13:15
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aephuh wait, usbhost?13:16
aepthis thing has an usb host mode?13:17
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aepwell powertop tells me nothing13:23
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aepother then that there are lots of wakups13:24
aepbut from what... no clue13:24
X-FadeThere are tools fo that in tools, iirc.13:25
threshwoglinde: well vlc is totally useless without libxcb, so i really need python-xcbgen :) the one in standard repositories is crippled.13:25
go1dfishaep: the drivers support usbhost, the hardware/circuitry does not as I understand it13:25
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aepwell there is an irq for it!13:26
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aepi guess i'm just reading this all wrong.13:26
aepthe powertop i have on my desktop is easier13:27
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SpeedEvilgo1dfish: not quite true as I understand it - the lowest level driver does not support the chip in question for host mode. According to the readings of datasheets and kernels I've done13:37
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SpeedEvilrenato: how are you verifying it diddn't charge?13:37
go1dfishhonestly I'm afraid to do too much connecting/disconnecting on the microusb port13:37
xorAxAxgo1dfish: i smoothed down the plug13:38
go1dfishxorAxAx: yeah me to13:38
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go1dfishlots of discussion about it on this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=3710713:39
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xorAxAx"fwiw the cases reported here were pre-production devices. This problem was addressed in the final sales devices. "13:44
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go1dfishkeep reading13:47
go1dfishthere have been reports on production devices as well13:47
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xorAxAxtoo much noise in that thread13:49
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tgalal_HI, is it possible to show that a person is typing in conversations? like for msn or google talk13:50
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lardmanmorning13:54
SpeedEvilmorning13:55
lardmanX-Fade: did you see the email from Thomas Tanner re upload rights? Would you mind taking a look at that as we'd like to get some code into the repo asap. Thanks13:55
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lardmanexciting exam invigilations! /me goes to find a coffee to wake up13:55
SpeedEvilIt's gotta be exciting - it's got vigil in there!13:56
X-Fadelardman: Will look at it after lunch.13:56
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KenYoungX-Fade,  Are you in charge of the maemo garage website?13:58
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lardmanX-Fade: thanks14:04
lardmanX-Fade: uername is tanner if that's of use14:05
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wazdX-Fade: maemo.org works like a charm, great job :)14:06
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tekojowazd X-Fade and feri have been working like crazed lemmings to make things good14:17
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wazdtekojo: I can only imagine :)14:18
aephm how does maemo find windows shares? it lists my gfs vista but not my samba share14:20
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alteregoaep: netbios14:20
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aepah14:20
alteregoaep: you should be able to see it if you enter the address manually however.14:21
pupnikthing about websites is people tend to assume everything always works, when they are often actually complex applications managing a lot of (often dirty) data14:21
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aepalterego: and where do i enter that?14:25
aepthe file manager doesnt seem to have any option to enter something14:25
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hrwmaemo filemanager? it is parody of application14:25
hrws/filemanager/files/14:25
infobothrw meant: maemo files? it is parody of application14:25
aepthere isnt any other14:25
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aepi doubt you used fuse for this so i can just do it manually14:26
aepoh well, going to copy it using usb...14:27
wazdall: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=481778&postcount=4614:28
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wazdany help is much appreciated14:28
pupnikwhat color mess where wazd ?  on some user theme?14:30
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koala_manI can sync contacts and calendar with google just fine until I change the icon of a contact, then it fails. it appears completely reproducible. is this a known issue?14:35
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mtdkoala_man: I'm going to try that now.  How do you fix it (delete the MfE account and re-set-up?)?14:37
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fcrozatmtd: no need to delete14:38
fcrozattry to force a full resync14:38
mtdfcrozat: thx14:38
fcrozatyou might need to clear your calendar on n90014:38
koala_manno, re-setup fails too. doing a full resync fails. changing the contact icon back worked a few times14:38
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fcrozat(I usually need to do so when sync breaks, like when you try to merge contact)14:38
fcrozatkoala_man: did you clear all your calendar data ?14:38
wazdpupnik: well, my Marina theme has it :)14:39
wazdpupnik: I don't know what template color does what14:39
koala_manfcrozat: I did rm -r .calendar14:39
pupnikahh context14:39
fcrozatkoala_man: well, removing them with UI might be better (just a guess) ;)14:39
koala_manI didn't figure out how to delete everything at once14:40
koala_manbut I did go into the calendar to verify that nothing was there14:40
fcrozatkoala_man: try to delete the n900 calendar, it will complain "can't delete calendar, want to delete all entries instead ?" :)14:40
mtdkoala_man: to delete everything from the calender, I attemp to delete the calendar itself.  The Calendar app then asks if you want to delete all the events instead (for the N900 calendar).14:41
mtdfcrozat: jinx14:41
mtd:)14:41
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koala_manhow do you delete the calendar itself?14:41
fcrozatkoala_man: you can't (because it is the system calendar) but it will clear all entries14:41
koala_manI mean, how do you try to delete it14:41
mtdkoala_man: Calendar -> Settings -> Edit calendars14:42
koala_manah14:42
redeemanhave anyone precompiled the pidgin-otr plugin for maemo?14:43
hrwredeeman: it is in extras(something)14:44
redeemanah ok14:44
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gks200hi14:46
hrwzeenix: rygel question I have14:47
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jebbaqgil: "Distributing devices to community developers around Maemo, KDE & Debian - BAU"          What's BAU?14:50
jebbaredeeman: ya, i did14:51
frals"business as usual"?14:51
jebbai think it hit extras-devel  heh. If it made it thru the builder14:51
jebbaah14:51
gks200hi guys, i have problem in   installing maemo SDK. someone please help             Documentation/Maemo 5 Final SDK Installation  Contents [hide]  1 Introduction  1.1 What is not i14:51
gks200hi guys, i have problem in   installing maemo SDK. someone please help14:51
roidewhat problem ?14:52
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Stskeepsjebba: it's good he's working on distributing devices, device queue must be starting then14:52
jebbaprobably the akamai "last mile" problem, if that hasnt been fixed yet.14:53
hrwdid someone finally built some kind of file manager other then MC for maemo5?14:53
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jebbawhat device queue? It's early, i really need things explained  ;)14:53
jebbals, cp, mv'14:53
jebba;)14:53
hrwjebba: haha14:54
Stskeepsjebba: http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Developer_Device_Queue14:54
zeenixhrw: yes14:54
zeenixhrw: in a meeting so could be slow in replying14:54
mtdtelepath-/win 1114:54
DocScrutinizer51jebba: mooin14:55
hrwzeenix: I can wait14:55
gks200i am able to install xephyr, but not able to run it14:56
DocScrutinizer51hrw: what's wrong with mc?14:56
hrwDocScrutinizer51: suxx in portrait?14:56
DocScrutinizer51k14:56
redeemanhow might i disable the camera sound?14:57
DocScrutinizer51redeeman: shutter or recordng?14:57
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redeemanfor normal picture taking14:57
hrwredeeman: cd /usr/share/sounds/;rm *cam*wav or sth like that14:57
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DocScrutinizer51replace the audio file by a link to dev/null14:58
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redeemanmight it not get upset when it cant read?14:58
Shadikkaredeeman: switch to silent mode14:58
redeemanShadikka: ah, didn't test that :)14:59
redeemanalso, i have noticed that there now appears to be a "enter code for unlocking sim card" in the settings menu - it wasnt there before, perhaps PR1.1 brought it, what is it? and what code exactly does it want? afaik my sim is not locked14:59
ShadikkaAt least I've heard that it should work :P14:59
DocScrutinizer51redeeman: when you have a link from foo.wav to dev/null it has nothing to complain about14:59
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DocScrutinizer51redeeman: that's PUK aiui15:00
ifreqwoah conboy gets updated like 2 times a week15:00
ifreq=)15:00
ifreqgotta like it15:00
redeemanDocScrutinizer51: i got all those codes for the SIM, but what unlocking exactly does it do?15:00
DocScrutinizer51PUK unlocks a SIM with 3false-PIN lock15:01
redeemanbut its not locked now? the pin code works15:01
DocScrutinizer51so you dont need PUK. feel happy!15:02
redeemanthat makes no sense, the puk code should only be requested if the pin code fails and requires puk, why is that menu item then available after i've entered pin?15:02
DocScrutinizer51and don't forket your PIN otherwise you'll need PUK15:02
redeeman(and that option was not there before)15:02
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DocScrutinizer51forget15:03
DocScrutinizer51redeeman: I have not the slightest idea why it's implemented that way15:03
redeemaneither way15:03
redeemanit should not be shown when all is well then15:03
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DocScrutinizer51doesn't bother me15:04
redeemanwell... it bothers me that im not sure what its doing there exactly15:04
redeemani don't care that its there, i wanna know WHY15:04
DocScrutinizer51ask Nokia customer service. Then enlighten us ;-)15:05
redeemani will15:05
mtdugh, I always have to kill telepathy-butterfly's python process when I switch from WiFi to GPRS :(15:05
Caesiumthe normal way to ask for a PUK on a phone is to insist it's entered after you got your PIN wrong 3 times, but the N900 isn't a phone, it's a tablet.15:06
wjtmtd: filed a bug? :)15:06
CaesiumI would be a bit miffed if I got my PIN wrong 3 times, then couldn't use my Internet tablet on wifi because it was insisting I enter a PUK15:06
Caesiumtherefore, it being in a menu for me to enter at my leisure is perfect15:06
mtdwjt: naw, I'm just at the complaining stage :).  Before I file a bug I'll hace to do work and stuff, like finding logs.  So I just waste this channel's time.15:07
mtds/hace/have/15:07
infobotmtd meant: wjt: naw, I'm just at the complaining stage :).  Before I file a bug I'll have to do work and stuff, like finding logs.  So I just waste this channel's time.15:07
mtdinfobot: stopit15:07
* wjt bounces on /ignore15:07
DocScrutinizer51Caesium: fair enough15:07
redeemanCaesium: yes, correct, but perhaps it should only be showed when the pin has been entered wrong, also, does that mean that before the update one couldnt enter puk code?15:08
wjtmtd: fair :)15:08
Caesiumdon't know, I didn't need my PUK before the update :)15:08
Caesiumperhaps someone could downflash and try it ;)15:08
Caesium(have another phone handy to unlock your SIM) :P15:08
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DocScrutinizer51redeeman: Caesium: also the very basic method is to enter sth like "**4711*<PUK>#" and we all know the dialer doesn't yet(!) know how to enter those commendcode numbers15:10
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DocScrutinizer51redeeman: yes, I'm quite sure with Pr1.0 you had now way to enter PUK15:11
Caesiumredeeman: it only being shown when required sounds like a good idea for a bugs.maemo.org entry :)15:11
DocScrutinizer51just adds complexity15:11
redeemanwell i don't care, as long as i just know that's why its there15:11
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DocScrutinizer51and this additional complexity might fail15:12
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gks200hi, when i try to run Xephyr , i am getting the following error.15:15
gks200[config/dbus] couldn't take over org.x.config: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied (Connection ":1.67" is not allowed to own the service "org.x.config.display2" due to security policies in the configuration file)15:15
gks200anybody knows how to fix this?15:15
lupine_85hee, maemo uses telepathy for sip15:15
DocScrutinizer51redeeman: hiding PUK menu implies querying the modem if PIN is locked. Modem might be shut down though (offline mode e.g.) or any other complications may happen like modem completely busy with UMTS data download or something15:16
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redeemanyes, as i said, i don't care that its there as long as i know that's why its there15:17
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DocScrutinizer51redeeman: I try to explain to you why (at least what I guess is why)15:18
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redeemanyes i know15:18
DocScrutinizer51k15:18
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Maemobhi all, I am new to the community, I needed a help15:19
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Maemobhow can I use my PC to install applications on N900?15:20
ifreqMaemob: what is wrong with application manager on phone?15:20
Maemobnothing actually, I am away from wlan15:21
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DocScrutinizer51so the question isn't quite to the point I guess15:21
adalalMaemob: use the pc suite if you're in windows15:22
adalalMaemob: or, transfer installation files over to the phone, and run dpkg -i <filename> to install15:22
Maemobok, let me put it it this way: how can I install a pre downloaded application on N900 through my PC?15:23
DocScrutinizer51or set up usb networking with your PC as router' though that's quite tricky15:23
Maemobok, I oppend the .install file, it is just redirecting the N900 to dowload site15:23
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tybollthmm I'm a bit annoyed that my n900 doesn't make my coffee or give me a backrub... when will nokia fix that?15:25
tybollt;-)15:26
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Maemobcan you guide me how to set up usb netwrking?15:26
threshthere is a howto on the wiki15:26
Maemobcool, I better refer it then,15:27
MaemobI read about red pill for .deb installations, is it not safe?15:28
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MohammadAGMaemob, it was removed from 51-115:28
redthat was removed15:28
MohammadAGhi ppl15:29
Maemobok, then is there any way to install using .deb files?15:29
adalalMaemob: it will have to be compiled for the maemo device15:30
adalalyou can install using terminal15:30
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Maemobadalal, can you please guide me?15:31
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DocScrutinizer51Maemob: to clearly say what you're planning to do would be a great start15:34
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fatal^what's the proper way to autostart an application when the session starts on fremantle?15:34
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DocScrutinizer51Fatal: excellent question15:35
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FatalDocScrutinizer51: I didn't state one15:37
MaemobDocScrutinizer51: I am away from Network and I do not have connectivity on my N900, but I have a PC which has Internet, then how can I dowload and install aplications?15:37
DocScrutinizer51oops15:37
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Maemobis there any way?15:38
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MohammadAGMaemob, download the deb files and the dependencies, then use rootsh and dpkg -i to install them15:39
MohammadAGor get a wifi adapter and create an ad hoc connection15:39
DocScrutinizer51that's what I was pondering ATM15:40
MaemobMohammadAG: ok, let me try this, this is something I can try right away15:40
MohammadAGyou need to install rootsh in one way or another though15:40
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DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: do you have rootsh installed already?15:41
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MohammadAGyes15:41
DocScrutinizer51sorry15:41
DocScrutinizer51Maemob:  do you have rootsh installed already?15:41
Maemobyes I have15:41
MohammadAGheh tab :p15:41
DocScrutinizer51ooh good15:41
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DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: sure :-P15:42
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MaemobI am trying, I will be back, thanks so far15:43
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DocScrutinizer51Maemob: so procedure is simple: download the .deb with your PC. Copy to N900 using mass storage. fire 'root' in terminal. then install using dpkg as adviced above15:44
DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: put your LED to pirpse yet?15:45
fatal^DocScrutinizer51: /etc/osso-af-init/ maybe?15:45
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DocScrutinizer51fatal^: huh?15:46
MaemobOk, thanks.15:46
fatal^DocScrutinizer51: the way to autostart progams in the users session...15:46
DocScrutinizer51aah15:46
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DocScrutinizer51fatal^: no idea, honestly. Tried this for maemo4 once (N810) but gave up15:47
Dialekti wonder what will be announced thursday15:48
Dialektmaemo 6?15:48
DocScrutinizer51it involved editing one of the very classical X files, like ~/.xinit or sth15:48
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DocScrutinizer51but didn,t pan out in the end15:49
GeneralAntillesOops, guess I took +r off too early.15:50
GeneralAntillesSorry, folks!15:50
DocScrutinizer51GeneralAntilles: ooh?15:50
* DocScrutinizer51 runs to check on one of the non ctcp filtered clients15:50
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer51, lots of GNAA spam around 2:45AM EST.15:51
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nedkowhat you use for microblogging in n900?15:51
GeneralAntillesMauku? MaStory?15:51
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nedkomauku does not behave very well here :]15:52
joerg_42GeneralAntilles: EST?  mind to convert to UTC?15:52
nedkomastory is for non-microbloging, i.e. real blog15:53
GeneralAntillesjoerg_42, -515:53
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nedkoat least accroding to the functionality i get here15:53
joerg_42k15:53
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rkchow to simulate click event using gdkevent / gtk_main_do_event ?15:54
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GeneralAntillesGoddamn, 4 dupes.15:56
tybollthuh?15:57
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GeneralAntillesCommit only needs to be clicked *once*. . . .15:57
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DocScrutinizer51GeneralAntilles: 150332 <PaulFert`> DocScrutinizer51: my robot did trigger, but i have no OP in #maemo :)16:04
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GeneralAntillesJaffa, ping?16:05
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DocScrutinizer51GeneralAntilles: sure it doesn't help to set +r to stop a already joined malicious client16:05
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer51, they spam themselves into oblivion.16:06
DocScrutinizer51yup16:06
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer51, what, do you want me to give PaulFerster op?16:06
DocScrutinizer51not really been my suggestion16:06
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DocScrutinizer51just to let yu know that smart oneliner actually kinda works nice16:07
* GeneralAntilles shrugs.16:07
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DocScrutinizer51GeneralAntilles: nevermind16:08
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, yep :)16:18
MohammadAGadded the dbus-send for leds, plus a sleep 10 then a disable signal16:18
DocScrutinizer51aah a timer. OK :-)16:18
MohammadAGwas wondering if I could send a notification to the dashboard (like sms-s) that says xchat16:19
MohammadAGjust for showing what it blinked for16:19
igagisHi16:19
DocScrutinizer51I guess it should be simple16:19
MohammadAGbut dbus-send-notifications failed16:19
igagisDoes anyone have any idea why could this be: http://pastebin.org/7868216:19
DocScrutinizer51once we got to know the right dbus incantation ;-)16:20
igagisand how to solve it16:20
MohammadAGigagis, dns problem16:20
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DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: failed? threw error or simply no effect?16:20
MohammadAGcould be your resolve.conf16:21
MohammadAGerror i think16:21
MohammadAGsec i'll try again16:21
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MohammadAGswitching to wlan16:21
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igagisMohammadAG: ok, I actually can open maemo.org by browser16:21
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igagisMohammadAG: ok, I actually can open maemo.org by browser16:22
igagisMohammadAG: but ping maemo.org does not work too16:22
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PhonoN900has anyone had any issues with hildon-thuimbnail process pegging your processor for an extended amount of time?16:22
X-Fadeigagis: You can't ping maemo.org anyway.16:22
igagisX-Fade: ah, ok16:23
DocScrutinizer51PhonoN900: seems to be normal16:23
tekojoigagis http://wiki.maemo.org/Developer_FAQ#Why_can_I_reach_an_IP-address_but_no_domain_inside_Scratchbox.3F16:23
xorAxAxBabelO: does your rds thingie work with mediabox?16:23
MohammadAGigagis, check your resolve.conf16:23
PhonoN900it's been the top process all morning, and i don't think i've ever seen it before16:23
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, this should work right?16:23
MohammadAGdbus-send-notification "foo bar boo bah bang"16:23
alteregoWhat do we have in the way of bittorrrent clients for Maemo?16:23
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alteregoI'm thinking of porting transmission with both Gtk and Qt front ends.16:23
X-FadePhonoN900: Added memory card with a lot of pictures or multimedia files?16:23
pupnikbleh manually resetting up vmplayer is a nice timesink16:24
DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: no idea. never tested yet16:24
MohammadAG-sh: dbus-send-notification: not found16:24
PhonoN900x-fade, i loaded a new album on yesterday, via transmission, but that is all...16:24
DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: so the name or the path (or syntax) is wrong16:24
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igagistekojo, MohammadAG: thanks I will try that16:25
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, the command's wrong16:25
MohammadAGdbus-send is the command for dbus signals16:25
DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: you might want to use mdbu (google for it) to introspect for correct method names16:25
bfree1alterego: transmission (gtk) is already there (extras-testing) ;-)16:25
MohammadAGthat one has -notification and it's not a parameter16:25
MohammadAGdbus monitor?16:26
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DocScrutinizer51mdbus does active introspection16:26
alteregobfree1: awesome, I don't have to do anythign then :)16:26
PhonoN900my usual offenders in conky are hildon-desktop and xorg, which i assume are fine... i16:27
wjtmdbus? yet another better dbus-send clone?16:27
DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: see sth like http://wiki.openmoko.org/mdbus16:27
PhonoN900this process is running between 30-60 percent of 500mhz, constantly16:28
StskeepsPhonoN900: hildon-video-thumbnailer you mean?16:28
X-FadePhonoN900: Are you sure it isn't indexing your torrents?16:29
PhonoN900in conky all i see is "hildon-thumbnai"16:29
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DocScrutinizer51http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework/mdbus16:30
PhonoN900xffade: i'm not sure of anything :)16:30
DocScrutinizer51that's python and works flawlessly on maemo16:30
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ifreqah ww16:31
lizardoDocScrutinizer51: nice finding :)16:32
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angasuleN810is there an equivalent to alt-tab?16:33
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angasuleN810to go back and fort, I mean, alt-tab then release16:33
PhonoN900process is gone, i guess i over reacted. thanks for the help and suggestions, everybody16:33
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DocScrutinizer51angasuleN810: alas no16:33
DocScrutinizer51angasuleN810: just ctrl-BS16:34
angasuleN810bummerous, I'm an obsessive multitasker16:34
angasuleN810DocScrutinizer, what does that do?16:34
DocScrutinizer51angasuleN810: and for unknown reasons on dashboard not even cursor arrow keys work to select one16:35
angasuleN810ctrl-bs doesn't seem to do anything for me16:35
DocScrutinizer51angasuleN810: ctrl-BS opens dashboard (taskswitcher)16:35
DocScrutinizer51angasuleN810: oooh on maemo416:36
DocScrutinizer51no won't work there16:36
angasuleN810my nicname is too subtle :-P16:36
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angasuleN810in general I love the buttons16:37
DocScrutinizer51angasuleN810: but on N810 it works with homekey just like you'd expect16:37
angasuleN810stardict is nicer on the n810 than my desktop, even16:37
DocScrutinizer51by pressing short to switch and holding to select16:37
angasuleN810but I mean quick switching16:37
angasuleN810short shows the list as an overlay, hold takes me to the desktop16:38
DocScrutinizer51no quick switching back and forth (afaik) :-(16:38
xorAxAxwuah, syncevolution deleted half of my calendar16:38
xorAxAxtogether with mobical16:39
DocScrutinizer51angasuleN810: multiple short jump to next in list. hold selects the one you just moved mark to16:39
lopzhola16:39
wazdI really wonder what bright mind decided to make text shadow the same color as default font color http://img10.imageshack.us/i/screenshot2010011914074.png/16:39
angasuleN810I don't like holding, I prefer one click and then d pad16:40
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DocScrutinizer51angasuleN810: (like the power button menu for selecting profiles on *ancient* phones ;-)16:41
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DocScrutinizer51text shadow WTF - eeeeew16:42
angasuleN810I like the power button menu :-P no need to hold!16:42
DocScrutinizer51useless eyecandy crap16:42
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angasuleN810is it useless or rather harmful?16:43
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DocScrutinizer51more like harmful16:44
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joerg_42GeneralAntilles: anticipating further impact?16:45
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GeneralAntillesjoerg_42, well, the last two times #freenode has said things have quieted down and I took it off, we got hit again. ;)16:46
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DocScrutinizer51hehe16:46
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DocScrutinizer51(taskswitching) so le's face that: N810 has 2 working concepts to switch tasks with kbd only (not using touchscreen) - short/long click of homebutton, and dpad. N900 has exactly ZERO. I'm wondering if this isn't a bug actually16:51
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StskeepsDocScrutinizer51: ctrl-backspace.16:51
DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps: and THEN??16:52
angasuleumh, +R makes it impossible to change nicks, too16:52
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angasulethanks, GeneralAntilles16:52
StskeepsDocScrutinizer51: good point16:52
angasulecan anyone recommend an msn program other than pidgin?16:52
angasuleit crashes a lot, it's slow and a hog16:53
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DocScrutinizer51angasule: (change nick) I guess you can switch to any nick actually registered to your 'account' (i.e. GROUPed)16:55
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DocScrutinizer-2actually no problem16:56
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angasulemy n810 nick isn't registered at all, since most programs suck at dealing with nickserv in the middle of a session16:56
pupnikirssi on tablet could use a 'enter nick' script on firstrun16:57
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DocScrutinizer51well +R is exactly to forbid login with unregistered nicks16:57
AndrewFBlackwhats shortcut from screenshot about Ctrl Shift I or O?16:57
Stskeepsheh, like that ever stopped bots16:58
StskeepsAndrewFBlack: p16:58
AndrewFBlackp ahh I was way off16:58
AndrewFBlackbtw when did I have to start identifying to talk in here?16:58
javispedromorning16:58
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javispedrohm.. any reason "happy new year" is still in topic?16:59
fralsAndrewFBlack: after freenode got infected with spambots a day or so ago17:00
DocScrutinizer51AndrewFBlack: 'p' like 'ppppprintscreen' ;-P17:00
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javispedro~GeneralAntilles++17:01
javispedroer..17:01
FIQcouldn't they make a temporary script g-lining everyone that send that line and not notices the link at all?17:01
javispedrothat extraneous character before the pipe symbols again17:01
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FIQi've no experience with making an ircd, just asking. :p17:02
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igagisHi All17:08
igagisI still did not resolve the problem17:08
igagisthe questions is, is this normal: http://pastebin.org/78698 ?17:08
igagis(the original problem is here http://pastebin.org/78682)17:09
bionoidigagis: First link just tells you that one hop does not let your ICMP through. The second link says there is a problem _resolving_ the hostname, meaning your DNS setup is probably incorrect.17:11
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KamuiN900pumpernicl.e17:11
bionoidigagis: You could try echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" > /etc/resolv.conf17:11
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igagisbionoid: hm, ok, let me try that17:11
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pupniki get a similar block of icmp igagis - that isnt really a problem to use the service17:14
igagisbionoid: no, it did not help17:14
igagispupnik: so, how do you use it?17:14
pupnikyou should be aple to apt-get now17:14
igagispupnik: ah, ok17:14
adalalanyone know of a trip planning software?17:14
DocScrutinizer51friggin pastebin ad just opened a second browser window with some crap when clicking first pastebin link above17:14
pupnikadalal: vi ?   what do you need it to do?17:16
adalalpupnik: lol, you know how they have trippit, and worldmate for iphones and blackberries... is there any such software for maemo.. or for linux in general?17:16
adalaltripit*17:17
pupniki dont know really17:17
* DocScrutinizer51 wonders how to disable JS on microb17:17
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DocScrutinizer51temporarily(!) disable JS17:18
adalalis there a about:config?17:18
DocScrutinizer51hmm17:18
w00ttimeless_mbp_: question, why does microb constantly reset its useragent?17:19
mtnbkrigagis: try traceroute -T maemo.org if you're curious to see more of the route17:20
adalalw00t: it does? that's weird... i use the hide agent app... and it the ettings stick17:20
DocScrutinizer51adalal: actually there is. Not practicable for fast switching of JS though17:20
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adalalDocScrutinizer, well, one could always build a script for it right :P17:20
igagismtnbkr: yes, it found maemo.org that way17:21
angasuleDocScrutinizer, I think a bookmark would work17:21
angasuleDocScrutinizer, if I remember right, settings can be switched with an URL17:21
DocScrutinizer51sounds interesting. No idea about such tings though17:21
angasulea short google would tell you, I don't know it myself17:22
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angasulebut it takes 2' and no scripting :-)17:22
* mtnbkr wonders where his "simple brightness applet" went17:23
DocScrutinizer51anyway I just learned there's a JS setting in menu under 'options'17:24
angasulecool17:24
* DocScrutinizer51 fool17:25
DocScrutinizer51nevertheless a key shortcut would be great. plus a tiny notifier icon thingie somewhere in a corner17:26
DocScrutinizer51maybe th*t's there as well and I failed to notice. I'll shut up for a while17:27
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w00t01/19@16:22:57 | 16:20 [timeless(n=timeless@65.75.195.122)] sorry. i can't comment because the channel is rude17:29
w00t01/19@16:22:57 | 16:21 [timeless(n=timeless@65.75.195.122)] in short: the browser orders the engine to reset a bunch of prefs. why do you ask? (please repeat my comments to the17:29
w00t    channel)17:29
w00t01/19@16:23:59 <w00t> I asked because it's a bit annoying; I'm dealing with a few sites that don't identify maemo as mobile correctly, so I want to (for them at least) switch17:30
w00t                      myself to something more obviously mobile17:30
w00t01/19@16:24:16 <w00t> usually changing it to something like "Maemo; better than iPhone" works17:30
tybolltheh17:30
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w00t(just so everyone is kept in the loop there, he's unable to talk due to +R)17:31
tybolltI guess the channel was locked to avoid spambots17:31
tybolltI'm actually all for it17:31
GAN900Sites that identify Maemo as mobile piss me off.17:32
GAN900timeless, /msg nickserv identify17:32
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w00tGAN900: it's sort of a hit and miss thing17:33
w00tGAN900: google reader, for example, is absolutely terrible17:33
* tybollt is actually waiting for a google-breader... I will not be surprised :)17:34
w00tGAN900: facebook is also a bit irritating to use in some ways, in that I dislike having to zoom constantly, but at least they offer a seperate URL that I can use and don't *force* one UI on me by guessing what they think I want17:34
w00t(touch.facebook.com)17:34
GAN900Yeah, mostly Newegg and such irritate me with their useless mobile versions.17:34
Stskeepslite.facebook.com isn't bad17:34
w00tnever used lite17:34
w00ttouch is good.17:34
_berto_and http://www.google.com/reader/i  is very usable17:34
w00t_berto_: yeah, reader has alternatives17:35
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w00tthere are others, though (can't remember now, I found one yesterday, which is why I asked about this :-)) that do horrible guessing17:35
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hrwGReader is hard to use in MicroB also because browser steals keys17:36
w00t*nod*17:37
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GAN900Wish some of these themes actually came with icon sets.17:37
tybolltwhat themes are good - what are you folks using?17:38
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* tybollt has been running hitech for a few days now17:38
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hrwtybollt: still 'digital nature' - tried all ovi ones, hitech17:40
hrwah... enabling manipulation mode in microb makes greader getting keys :)17:41
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angasuleI need MSN :/17:42
tybolltyou HAVE msn17:42
angasulewhere?17:42
GAN900WordCity is nice17:42
* angasule checks under the carpet17:42
GAN900Although the colors are screwy.17:42
hrwangasule: msn is not not out of box - you need to install 'extra protocols for conversations and contacts' pacakge17:42
StskeepsAndrewFBlack: how did you solve the icons stuff?17:42
AndrewFBlackmaemo-org theme is in testing now and here is screenshots http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=4136317:43
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AndrewFBlackStskeeps, all I have is App Manger icons so far that was easy they just go in background folder17:43
angasulehrw, thanks17:43
StskeepsAndrewFBlack: also your blurred text is worthless17:43
Stskeeps:P17:43
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StskeepsAndrewFBlack: at least in the SMS view17:43
DocScrutinizer51has anyone seen problems with copying marked text in microb is somewhat broken? Sometimes I need to disable the cursormode to make copy show up in menu. ctrl-c doesn't work at all when those situations hit17:44
AndrewFBlackStskeeps, lol not an interesting converstation you wouldn want to read it lol17:44
angasulehrw, I don't see it17:44
hrwAndrewFBlack: nice, but I would drop orangre frames17:44
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fiferboyI like the orange frames17:44
hrwangasule: you need to enable 'extras' repository catalog in application manager17:44
Stskeepshrw: it's not maemo.org theme for nothing17:45
Stskeeps:P17:45
fiferboyAndrewFBlack: The font colour for notifications is orange with and orange shadow on an orange background :)17:45
AndrewFBlackhrw, lol yeah everone else has longed the orange frames17:45
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hrw;)17:45
angasulehrw, yes, I have it,hmm17:45
TTilusdebugging help needed: my desktop effects (app change, desktop slide, background fade on menu, scroll) have been jerky and jumpy since last system upgrade, any idea why?  how to debug?  top shows >95% idle and nothing suspicious and scrolling/effects still jump randomly, but at least once every single time17:46
StskeepsTTilus: PR1.1?17:46
TTilusyep17:46
angasulehrw, I have an N81017:46
StskeepsTTilus: is there anything doing heavy I/O?17:46
TTilusStskeeps: how do i tell17:46
X-FadeTTilus: Or swapping?17:46
TTilusStskeeps: should top show it?17:47
TTilusX-Fade: how do i tell?17:47
hrwangasule: ah.. so install accounts-plugin-haze (or other with 'haze' in it)17:47
hrwangasule: my n810 is discharged so cannot test17:47
AndrewFBlackfiferboy, its orange with white shadow on orange BG afraid only way I can fix it is make background grey I´ll do that in next release17:47
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angasulehrw, no package has haze in the name17:47
fiferboyAndrewFBlack: I thought it was probably a limitation of the colour scheme17:47
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fiferboyAndrewFBlack: Also, on the lock screen the date is orange on an orange background17:48
AndrewFBlackfiferboy, yeah I get getting questions about changing font in just on program or widget have to keep telling people I have like 12 colors to work with and thats it.17:48
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agihi, what's the recommended way to install scratchbox in debian(sid)? nokia's maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0.download ?17:49
fiferboyAndrewFBlack: Yeah, and the colours seem to be really geared towards dark themes17:49
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AndrewFBlackfiferboy, on that one I think I might draw a grey box on background since I like orange back and I cna change text17:49
angasuleagi, the script will call apt-get, but I use squeeze17:50
fiferboyAndrewFBlack: And the calendar widget date box is white text on white background.  That one is probably hardest to fix17:50
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agiangasule: I was wondering if the script is 'clean' enough, or if it will mess my current install...17:50
angasuleagi, not sure, it does some strange stuff17:51
hrwangasule: try: purple-extra-protocols17:51
AndrewFBlackfiferboy, thats going to be imposible to fix unless I change hte white font on whole theme.  I was trying to find the littleicon for the calendar but I can´t find t anywhere17:52
angasuleagi, you are better off asking in #debian-arm or something, I guess17:52
agiangasule: not sure people @ #debian-arm know about this particular script...17:52
fiferboyAndrewFBlack: I'll look for it17:52
agiI guess I'll try it and see what happens17:52
AndrewFBlackfiferboy, thanks17:53
AndrewFBlackStskeeps, do you need to know the full path to each icon folder to make icons work?17:53
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angasulehrw, it's not showing in the app manager, weird, since I have pidgin installed17:54
StskeepsAndrewFBlack: mm, maybe we should make a template for icon sets too17:54
StskeepsAndrewFBlack: meiz did a freemantle-icons package17:54
xorAxAxDocScrutinizer51: is there a kind of profile daemon for openmoko or other platforms that e.g. silences the phone at night?17:55
AndrewFBlackStskeeps, seporate is would better I guess incase someone doesn´t want icons17:55
wjtangasule: the haze package is called something like "Pidgin protocols for Conversations and Contacts" currently17:56
DocScrutinizer51xorAxAx: not afaik17:56
wjt(a name I think is misleading)17:56
wjtangasule: "Extra protocols for Conversations and Contacts" installs pretty much all the extra Telepathy CMs17:56
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angasuleumh, I have pidgin installed, but I don't want it17:57
angasuleI want anything else17:57
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wjtright. you can remove pidgin, and install "Extra protocols for Conversations and Contacts"17:57
agiwhere can I find the kernel .config used in maemo5/n900? I guess it's the one in rx51_defconfig, but is it accesible from any website?17:57
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eijkHi, the repositories are currently broken?17:58
hrwagi: it is in maemo5 kernel source17:58
eijkhttp://repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/sdk/free/source/Sources.gz17:58
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eijkgives me a system error17:58
X-Fadeeijk: Should not. Works for me?17:58
agihrw: thanks, /me searches for that17:59
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TTilusStskeeps, X-Fade: still there?18:00
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TTilusStskeeps, X-Fade: how do i tell if theres heavy io or swapping going on?18:00
tybolltTTilus: get the desktop load widget18:00
TTilustybollt: i have18:01
X-FadeTTilus: install loadapplet and see if memory usage is high.18:01
TTilusit doesnt show heavy load18:01
tybolltso there is no heavy load?18:01
X-FadeTTilus: 4 blocks in the right column is not ok.18:01
tybolltif you want to make sure18:01
angasulewjt, I'm just not finding the package you mention18:01
tybolltopen a friggen xterm and use ps/top/ etc18:01
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wjtangasule: oh... it's in extras-devel or -testing, not extras proper yet18:02
wjti think18:02
angasuleah18:02
TTilusX-Fade: ive got one faint gray block in left and two white in right18:02
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X-FadeTTilus: That should be fine then.18:02
angasuleso no msn other than pidgin? (which is unusable for me)18:02
eijkX-Fade, http://pastebin.com/d47772c2518:02
TTilusX-Fade: but its not  :)18:02
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igagispupnik: just want to let you know that 'sudo cp /etc/resolv.conf /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf' solved the problem for me18:04
TTilusany thoughts how to debug this (jerky effects and scroll) further?18:04
X-FadeTTilus: I think a question to maemo-developers is in order.18:04
TTilusmm, gonna go there...18:05
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hrwARGHHH!$!@#$@!#$18:05
hrwfscking expired token on tmo18:05
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hrwYour submission could not be processed because the token has expired.18:06
hrwPlease reload the window.18:06
hrwI just reloaded...18:06
MohammadAGigagis, didn't i tell you to check it before...18:06
hrwfuck it18:06
javispedroand your message is gone!18:06
igagisMohammadAG: yes, I just was so stupid that copied the resolv.conf to targets/FREMANTE/etc :-)18:07
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eijkX-Fade, also apt-get update (in scratchbox) fails because it gets non-gzip content.18:07
angasulethanks fornthye help guys, I'm off to lunch18:07
MohammadAGlol18:07
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X-Fadeeijk: Yeah, your local mirror cached an error.18:07
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eijkX-Fade, ok, if it's fixed, I can wait :-)18:08
teilzeitstudentWhat kind of firewall is running on the maemo? basic iptables? Or none at all? :p18:08
agiis there a way to know if someone already packaged a certain kernel module?18:08
X-Fadeeijk: Yeah, it is fixed. But now I need to ask for it to get flushed, will take a while as everybody is gone/going home atm ;)18:09
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andre__teilzeitstudent: N900 you mean? I wonder what "the maemo" is...18:10
teilzeitstudenterr.. yea, the n900.18:10
teilzeitstudentfremantle.18:10
FIQuh18:11
RST38hAhhhahahahahahaha18:12
* RST38h can talk now *and* KOffice seems to be out18:12
tybolltrst =)18:12
FIQi've heard that a N900 stock is delayed in swe..?18:12
FIQi seems to be forced to wait to feb 10th anyway18:12
FIQi don't like waiting to feb 10th18:12
tybolltuhm I'm in .se and I've got my device for what a month now :)18:13
FIQyes, it was release a while ago18:13
tybolltgranted I ordered via nokia online thingy18:14
RST38hlibgsf missing, cannot install18:14
FIQbut it seems to be out of devices everywhere except the official shop atm that has got SO good reviews.. not18:14
andre__FIQ: get money, go to different country, buy N900, go back to Sweden. RESOLVED WORKSFORME.18:14
tybolltFIQ: I had _no_ problems what-so-ever w/ the official shop18:14
eijkX-Fade, what rough timeframe will the flush take?18:14
teilzeitstudentandre__, connecting via ssh works on another port, the command iptables is unknown..so I'm guessing no firewall at all?18:14
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tybolltRST38h: s/koffice/freeoffice/ but ye :P18:15
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FIQTybollt: ok, i will check it soon.18:15
RST38hAh, freoffice needs libgsf but it can only be found in extras-devel18:15
RST38hX-Fade: Looks like something has not got promoted automatically18:15
andre__people asking me in private why this channel is +R.18:15
RST38handre: No shit Sherlock18:16
ivan4thwould anyone please tell me a working IP address for repostory.maemo.org to put in /etc/hosts ?18:16
X-Fadeandre__: people == timeless? :)18:16
* tybollt guessing it is due to the spambot the other day18:16
andre__harhar, no... frals.18:16
andre__errr oops18:16
andre__fatal^ I meant.18:16
RST38hoh wait they are both in devel which is down18:16
X-FadeRST38h: koffice is only in -devel?18:16
tybollt?18:17
javispedrodevel is down again?18:17
RST38hyea18:17
tybolltfreeoffice just installed fine here18:17
RST38hyea x218:17
tybolltno problems18:17
tybolltRST38h: can't verify that?18:17
RST38hBTW, apt-get package lists are starting to really hurt / free space18:18
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RST38hAre there any plans to move them to /opt?18:18
slonopotamusdoes n900 support CSD?18:18
javispedroI guess removing older package versions would help18:19
javispedrosince having them grow too much hinders h-a-m performance18:19
X-FadeYeah, should be done soon(ish)18:20
kamuiRST38h,  I relinked my apt cache18:20
RST38hjavispedro: But I think this is being done every now and then18:20
kamuisolves that problem18:20
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RST38hHow safe is it though in the case of an update?18:20
kamuibecause that was really annoying18:20
kamuiI was able to do the 1.1 update fine18:20
kamuiI ended up reflashing anyway because of hte battery life, but it wasn't an issue18:20
RST38hhmm, no cannot refresh -devel and -testing18:21
kamuiI just relinked /var/cache/apt or whatever that folder is18:21
RST38hyea18:21
kamuiwhere all the downloads go first18:21
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RST38h---> home18:21
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* MohammadAG did that too18:22
MohammadAGand i'm at 89% root18:22
bfreeanyone know about new accounts on maemo.org?  I created one ~18h ago, it's logged in on the garage but I can't login to the main site yet (for brainstorm)18:22
X-Fadebfree: We're working on account sync. Will take a while still.18:23
bfreeX-Fade: ok, thanks (was wondering if I might have managed to typo my password somehow)18:23
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bfreeI want my N900 right-handed damnit ;-)18:24
adalalwhat did you mean?18:25
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GeneralAntillesTo the unregistered or unidentified users in the room. It's simpler if you just register with NickServ or identify yourself than bothering me about it. Thanks.18:26
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bfreeadalal: me?   the pop-up menus when you hold on something should try to appear left of press not right of it (so you can see it), though with a config option for the lefties to get current behaviour18:26
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adalalhm18:27
andre__GeneralAntilles, so what's the reasoning for +R?18:28
GeneralAntillesandre__, botspam.18:29
andre__ah, okay18:29
javispedroGeneralAntilles: lol. thought the silence is nice >:)18:29
GeneralAntillesandre__, we had a round of GNAA spam at about 0745 UTC.18:29
javispedros/thought/though18:29
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andre__I see18:31
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javispedroinfobot: ping18:33
infobot~pong18:33
javispedrowell, at least infobot is R.18:33
DocScrutinizer51bfree: exactly what I thought when clearing my mail a few minutes ago18:33
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tybolltwhat-the-hell18:34
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bfreewell anyone can feel free to brainstorm it seeing as though I'm still awaiting the account sync :-p  it may even be bug worthy ;-)18:35
tybollt7,4MB for a battery widget? :)18:35
DocScrutinizer51andre__: and +R is what [<christel>] suggests18:35
tybolltthat's... insane :)18:35
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andre__okay. Christel is always right :)18:36
alteregoOh dear, people pasting their IMEI numbers on the internet again ..18:38
SpeedEvilIt's OK as long as you post the CC number in the same message.18:39
alteregoHeh18:39
goodwillPit: ya figure it out?18:39
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alteregoIs the UK version of the Nokia image the "Global" release?18:39
alteregoOr is it still stuck on 41?18:40
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ilovefishsweet! http://img263.yfrog.com/img263/418/screenshot2010011917363.png18:47
plastunhi! where I can find maemo-specific fields of debian/control file, such as XB-Memo-Icon?18:48
javispedroilovefish:18:48
javispedrohttp://depot.javispedro.com/er.png18:48
_berto_plastun: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=xb-maemo-icon :)18:48
_berto_plastun: first entry18:49
_berto_:)18:49
plastun_berto_, but this page contains only this field and no more18:49
ilovefishjavispedro, now that a nice pattern there!18:49
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_berto_plastun: there's a couple of links there18:49
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DocScrutinizer51javispedro: meh18:50
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javispedro:)18:51
DocScrutinizer51javispedro: told ya not to use that stiching pattern for a wallpaper18:52
javispedro... because after using it for a while it corrupts the application manager? ;)18:53
javispedroactually I was toying with clutter when that started happening (and it fixed after reboot), so it's cheating18:53
DocScrutinizer51appmgr can't decrypt payTV ;-)18:53
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t_s_ocrap, each time i read something related to maemo5, i wish nokia would make a non-phone device...18:55
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javispedroyou can imagine how cool the blur effect was (basically a random new pattern each frame)18:56
alteregot_s_o: why?18:56
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t_s_oalterego: never liked big expensive phones. they risk turning into big expensive bricks all to soon, given that its carried everywhere18:56
alteregoAh, okay18:57
javispedrowell, I used to carry my PDA everywhere too.18:57
t_s_oa second device can be left at home or similar when not needed, while my more rugged featurephone can come along for those calls and messages18:57
* timeless tries to talk18:57
Stskeepssuccess18:57
timelesshow do i add other nicks there's some link command?18:57
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t_s_oalso, my N800 have a battery life of hours, while my phone can sit for days as i do not play with it all the time ;)18:58
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DocScrutinizer51timeless: GROUP19:00
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GeneralAntillestimeless, /msg nickserv identify timeless <password> from your other nicks.19:00
GeneralAntillesthen /msg nickserv group19:00
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timelessgan900: can you give 'timeless' the maemo cloak?19:04
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GeneralAntillestimeless, sure.19:05
* timeless frowns19:05
GeneralAntillestimeless, just want /community/contributor/ or something more?19:05
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timelessi'm pretty sure i don't know/care :)19:06
timelessso why not?19:06
DocScrutinizer51timeless: just group it to timeless_mbpÄ19:06
DocScrutinizer51?19:06
AndrewFBlackStskeeps, Ping19:06
zaheerm..19:06
plastunhow to add new application to bugs.maemo.org?19:06
GeneralAntillestimeless, well, the other option is to indicate Nokia affiliation. So I'd assume conributor would be preferred. ;)19:07
timelessplastun: file a bug in bugs.maemo.org asking for it19:07
timelessthere's even a wiki w/ instructions19:07
timelessgan: .19:07
GeneralAntilleshttp://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Adding_Extra_products19:07
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timelessok, so um19:07
timelessnow i can't change my nick19:07
plastunthanks!19:07
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DocScrutinizer51timeless: you can change to grouped nicks only19:08
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GeneralAntillestimeless, it's the spambot-fighting +R19:08
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javispedrothe spambot is still around?19:09
timelesshow do i tell colloquy about ident?19:09
GeneralAntillestimeless, should be a setting for the NickServ password in the server settings.19:10
DocScrutinizer51timeless: most easy procedure: identify with a known nick; change to new nick; /ns group19:10
GeneralAntillescmd-1 or something brings it up19:10
* GeneralAntilles switched to Adium.19:10
DocScrutinizer51timeless: I guess you can't du that while you joined +R channels though19:11
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DocScrutinizer51do*19:11
StskeepsAndrewFBlack: pong19:11
AndrewFBlackStskeeps, any idea why a theme made with Upper Case Folder name is not optified?19:12
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StskeepsAndrewFBlack: give me an example package please19:13
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AndrewFBlackStskeeps, Maemo-org19:13
AndrewFBlackwas optifed chnged folder name to Maemo-org from maemo-org and now its now19:13
AndrewFBlacknot19:13
Stskeeps1.2-6?19:14
AndrewFBlackyeah19:14
fiferboyAndrewFBlack: Why not use lowercase folder name?19:14
Stskeepsfiferboy: cos name of theme is maemo.org19:14
DocScrutinizer51maemo6 ?? :-P19:14
AndrewFBlackfiferboy, problems with hilights and relationsip between folder name and theme name19:15
DocScrutinizer51Maemo-org is a.... strange package name anyway19:15
AndrewFBlackIḿ going to be forced to make theme name Maemo.org I guess19:15
fiferboyStskeeps, AndrewFBlack: Then make folder name lower case and gtk-theme-name uppercase19:15
fiferboyAndrewFBlack: You can make the theme name whatever you want with no impact on the folder name19:15
DocScrutinizer51so I suggest to call the package 'theme_ maemo-org'19:16
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fiferboyAndrewFBlack: You just need to adjust the XB-Maemo-Display-Name in the control file, and the name inside index.theme19:16
Stskeepsfiferboy: it's a little more complex than that in the template so :P19:16
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Stskeepsfiferboy: we can't edit -layout-5 easily so19:16
StskeepsAndrewFBlack: anyway19:16
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StskeepsAndrewFBlack: 1.2-6 is optified19:16
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AndrewFBlackStskeeps, ok someone said something on Testing pag for it about not being optified19:17
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StskeepsAndrewFBlack: it is, it is actually optified but the heuristics keep some things on rootfs19:17
Stskeepshttp://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/listing.txt19:18
agiI've got a problem trying to install scratchbox:19:18
agiE: Host kernel module binfmt_misc is required for the CPU transparency feature.19:18
agiagi@var:~$ lsmod | grep bin19:18
agibinfmt_misc             6860  019:18
agibut:19:18
agiagi@var:~$ ls /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc19:18
agils: cannot access /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc: No such file or directory19:18
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fiferboyAndrewFBlack: If you just look in /opt/themes it is not there, but it is in /opt/maemo/usr/share/themes19:18
agimodule exists, but the dir the script is looking for does not19:18
agi(2.6.31)19:18
StskeepsAndrewFBlack: we don't optify in same way as theme maker does it so19:18
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fiferboyStskeeps: What is the highlighting fix using the theme layout template?19:19
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AndrewFBlackStskeeps, ok just checking because it something was said about it.19:19
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StskeepsAndrewFBlack: yeah and tell them that it is optified, they can check for themselves. maemo-optify does some heuristics so19:19
Stskeepsfiferboy: if theme name (the visible one) is lowercase, directory name is uppercase, and reverse.19:20
Stskeepsdirectory name is invisible, so19:20
fiferboyStskeeps: Gotcha19:20
fiferboyStskeeps: Does the theme tool also handle the packaging?19:20
Stskeepsfiferboy: try_it_out.sh modifies the packaging yeah19:21
fiferboyStskeeps: But it doesn't use the theme thumbnail to generate a XB-Maemo-Icon in control.  I guess that is up to the user afterwards?19:21
Stskeepsfiferboy: we can make the source code do so if we want19:22
AndrewFBlackStskeeps, any idea how I can add the calendar icon in theme package19:22
Stskeepsfiferboy: i just didn't get a patch for it or make it one19:22
Stskeepsfiferboy: the idea is to extend it to support icon replacements etc19:22
Stskeepsas well19:22
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Stskeepsfiferboy: so if someone gives me a good idea how to do it sanely, or send me a patch, i'm all ears :)19:23
fiferboyStskeeps: I'll see if I have some free time19:23
fiferboyAndrewFBlack: I tried creating a /usr/share/icons/Maemo-org dir, point gtkrc to it and populating it with an alternate calendar_applet png19:24
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fiferboyAndrewFBlack: Didn't work.  Either I did something wrong, or calendar applet is hardcoded to look in a specific directory for an icon19:24
Caesiumagi: perhaps you can mount it?19:25
AndrewFBlackfiferboy, wonder who we can ask if its hardcoded19:25
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Caesiumagi: "mount binfmt_misc -t binfmt_misc /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc" or similar?19:25
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agiCaesium: I tried, but failed:19:25
fiferboyAndrewFBlack: Good question19:26
agiroot@var:~# mount -t binfmt_misc none /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc19:26
agimount: mount point /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc does not exist19:26
agiroot@var:~# mkdir /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc19:26
agimkdir: cannot create directory `/proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc': No such file or directory19:26
fiferboyAndrewFBlack: Changing the icon in the /usr/share/icons/hicolor directory works19:26
Caesiumagi: no /proc at all?19:26
agi/proc/sys/fs/ does exist19:26
Caesiumah, um.. :)19:26
agiI can mount binfmt_misc in /mnt i.e.19:27
agibut that's not what the install script is looking for19:27
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andre__anybody having an idea where it's defined (codewise, not specs) that .desktop files go into /usr/share/applications/hildon/ in Maemo5?19:29
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eijkX-Fade, any news about the flush? I still get the error page...19:40
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hrw19:44
hrwI starts to like people like Nathan Anderson due to his mail to maemo-devel19:45
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woglindere19:50
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woglindestill attacks?19:50
slonopotamus...19:50
slonopotamuswoglinde, now it's perfectly protected and silent here :D19:51
woglindeyeah its nice19:51
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woglinde good nobody knows /msg nickserv foo19:52
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Arkenoithe drawback of slow bundled updates is that we unlikely to expect icq to work again soon. maybe that's not bad at all, though ;-)19:52
woglindehm wonder who needs icq19:53
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woglindexmpp and irc is enough19:53
hrwArkenoi: icq is by community19:53
derfPeople who started using the internet in 1997.19:53
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woglindederf I started 96 and used irc19:53
Stskeepsicq was the way to keep in touch with girls you met on irc19:54
Stskeeps:P19:54
DocScrutinizer51I fail to see how +R may cause silence - while number of users is almost same19:54
hrwwoglinde: I started 1997, used irc. in 98/99 I connected my Amiga to internet. used irc and icq19:54
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StskeepsDocScrutinizer51: it bans non-reg users to talk19:54
hrwwoglinde: icq was first popular IM client19:54
woglindehrw it was hype19:55
woglindeand dont believe in hypes19:55
DocScrutinizer51Oh so +R doesn,t block join, it rather simply 'devoices'?19:55
hrwwoglinde: it was nice way to catch friends from other dormitories19:55
woglindeand server was controlled by yahoo right?19:55
hrwwoglinde: so?19:56
hrwwoglinde: irc servers were also controlled by someone19:56
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woglindedont like yahoo till today19:56
StskeepsDocScrutinizer51: might do both19:56
woglinde*g*19:56
hrwwoglinde: you trusted ircops?19:56
ArkenoiI started in 1994 (and email was almost 5 years earlier)19:56
hrwArkenoi: you are older then19:56
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woglindehrw more than yahoo19:56
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DocScrutinizer51please anybody who's not registered and thus van't post: please speak up now X-P19:57
gevaertsspamming problems?19:58
Arkenoithat's funny there are people who show off with "short" icq numbers trying to say "people, look, i had internet in 1996/7!". Actually using icq in that years was considered incredibly lame, as the client was windows-only and using windows was mauvais ton19:58
javispedroI can't post19:58
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DocScrutinizer51javispedro: too bad ;-P19:58
woglindeArkenoi ms-comic-chat19:58
woglindehaha19:58
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woglindewas fun on irc19:59
Cas07lol ICQ that takes me back19:59
StskeepsArkenoi: icq got so bloated19:59
Arkenoihrw: i even seen the great efnet/ircnet split by my own eyes!19:59
* Arkenoi is old fart19:59
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hrwArkenoi: ;)19:59
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woglindeokay20:00
javispedro~curse endianness20:00
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, endianness !20:00
woglindedinnertime20:01
woglindestill later20:01
woglindejavispedro wine on n900 and ms-comic-chat?20:01
woglindehahahaha20:01
penguinbaitits better than vista20:01
Hukkawoglinde: I just had dinner. That does not prevent chatting :)20:01
woglindeor wine with win9520:01
penguinbaitor even coming back as OS220:01
woglindehukka I have a 3 year child20:01
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woglindeeven when he can use the browser20:01
woglindewe still not eating at computers20:01
woglindetill later20:02
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javispedroit's not fun at all when you try to glue together 3 libs: one which tries to be host-endianness independent, another one which follows host-endianness, and some other one where some functions are endianness dependent and some are not.20:02
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Hukkawoglinde: You need one of those plastic, deforming keyboards. I'm sure they are anything-proof20:02
ivan4thjavispedro: accidental ARM endianness switch is even better than this.