IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2010-01-18

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* GeneralAntilles sighs at the bug template.00:01
GeneralAntillesLove it when people fill in 2 of the 3 steps to reproduce then leave a blank 3.00:01
fralsStskeeps: sounds pretty good00:02
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GeneralAntillesAnybody with a lot of background in small lipolymer batteries want to input on bug #8163?00:03
povbot`Bug battery charge level growing up00:03
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Stskeepsfrals: it's a kinda complex issue but we've reached a size that we will have to have some degree of 'management' going on or we'd keel over :P00:04
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Stskeeps(read: not people controlling other people, but coordination)00:04
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fralsStskeeps: yes, some problems would benefit of more coordination for sure00:05
* GeneralAntilles did his 5-a-day.00:05
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Shrik3_was it up at some point?00:06
Shrik3_It's been down since friday00:07
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fralsStskeeps: i think the problem is not as much of a software as those small projects usually just needs a decent process to work with00:07
MaemohammadAGangrybirds level pack is up again, you can install it using apt-get00:07
johnqwhose resposibility is that?00:07
MaemohammadAGnokia fails sometimes00:07
MaemohammadAGjohnq, they're moving servers00:07
MaemohammadAGor changing ISPs00:07
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johnqand why does this produce outages?00:07
frals(and there I refreshed the thread and saw Jaffa posting pretty much that :D)00:08
MaemohammadAGcause it's a weekend and they don't rush things00:08
xorAxAxMaemohammadAG: is it up? i cannot see it00:08
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MaemohammadAGon ovi yes00:08
xorAxAxbut apt-cache doesnt find it :)00:08
MaemohammadAGcause apt-cache search shows it up00:08
johnqdo they think the community works on weekdays?00:08
Jaffafrals: "great minds/fools" springs to mind00:08
johnqwhere can I complain?00:08
xorAxAxMaemohammadAG: doesnt work for me00:08
xorAxAxi only see angrybirds00:08
MaemohammadAGxorAxAx, apt-get update00:09
fralsJaffa: :)00:09
xorAxAxdid that00:09
johnqI mean: where can I complain so that the situation gets better? ;-)00:09
MaemohammadAGangrybirds-levelpack1 - Extra levels to Angry Birds00:09
Shrik3johnq: there's a bunch of threads on the forums00:09
MaemohammadAGxorAxAx, it shows up here00:09
MaemohammadAGi'll apt-get update again00:09
Jaffajohnq: The situation is sub-optimal. If you want to complain, direct it at; whinge on tmo or bottle it up :-)00:09
xorAxAxMaemohammadAG: perhaps because its installed on your machine?00:09
MaemohammadAGapt-cache shouldn't show it00:10
MaemohammadAGdpkg should00:10
xorAxAxit shows also installed apps, MaemohammadAG00:10
MaemohammadAGi'll uninstall it00:10
Jaffajohnq: But I think the general answer is "it's recognised that this is a sub-optimal situation on a number of levels"00:10
Shrik3"sub-optimal" pretty much describes the whole Nokia situation =)00:10
MaemohammadAGhope it doesn't erase my save00:10
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: my guess is that it's more the measurement is changing00:10
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, I can't picture voltage being stable at that charge percentage.00:11
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johnqJaffa: obivously, Nokia is not willing to spend enough money on it, so it is not recognized on as many levels as needed00:11
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MaemohammadAGxorAxAx, you're right00:11
MaemohammadAGit doesn't show up now00:12
timeless_mbpjohnq: you can try Nokia Care00:12
Jaffajohnq: FUD. Nokia are *investing* in the infrastructure, but unfortunately either the migration has gone slightly wrong OR there's a coincidental timing00:12
destinalanyone here working on running palm pre native SDL binaries?  (ie commercial games)?00:12
* Jaffa doesn't know which.00:12
* destinal is from the webos hacking side of things and heard about it00:12
GeneralAntillesdestinal, #maemo != #webos00:13
destinalGeneralAntilles: duh00:13
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: oh, i must be in the wrong place :)00:13
blizzow1I'm loking at the developer guide at  It says at the top that it's Legacy Maemo 5 Documentation.  Are there current (eg: not legacy) documentation/tutorials around?00:13
* GeneralAntilles gets the question now.00:14
destinalGeneralAntilles: we have commercial games in binary form on the palm pre and apparently some maemo folks are trying to run them.00:14
GeneralAntillesdestinal, no, and aren't they DRM protected anyway?00:14
destinalGeneralAntilles: nope00:14
Jaffadestinal: "apparently"?00:15
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Jaffadestinal: Sounds intriguing.00:15
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timeless_mbpblizzow: the "official" documentation is hosted by Forum Nokia00:15
destinalJaffa: yeah, they're libsdl1.2 and opengl-es (1.1) based and it should be possible to make support libraries work00:15
johnqJaffa: ok, you are right. Perhaps they are investing enough, only something has gone wrong.00:16
timeless_mbppersonally, i'd use the documentation00:16
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johnqJaffa: Nevertheless, some other incidents have shown that Nokia (or whoever) at least has a really bad information policy.00:16
destinalJaffa: only real issue is that you don't have multitouch on N900 so games that depend on it wouldn't work that well, but they certainly don't _all_ depend on it00:16
Jaffajohnq: Of course, there's always the case that *more* investment can prevent problems; but there's a cost/benefit analysis to that - and perhaps things are at a MTBF which is satisfactory. It's just the Time of Failure has been... unfortunate.00:16
timeless_mbpjohnq: yeah, we should never share any information :)00:16
blizzow1timeless_mbp: okay, is the "legacy" documentation outdated at all?00:17
timeless_mbpblizzow1: dunno :)00:17
timeless_mbpnot worth my time to look00:17
timeless_mbpthe formats are probably incompatible00:17
Jaffajohnq: Communication about server moves was discussed at the last sprint meetings; I refer you to its minutes.00:17
timeless_mbpJaffa: how dare you make references to public documents00:18
johnqJaffa: There is always this effect that when you don't know _why_ something does not work, you just blame that big company.00:18
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timeless_mbphow can people complain about a secret cabal!00:18
Jaffatimeless_mbp: I know. I'm such a bastard.00:18
timeless_mbpjohnq: oddly, we use the channel topic for this purpose00:18
JaffaAlthough, I feel remarkably impotent having removed myself from that cabal. Except where I'm not.00:18
JaffaWhich is everywhere.00:18
timeless_mbp> Repositories and mailing lists temporarily down, see
johnqtimeless_mbp: why not ?00:18
GeneralAntillesJaffa, yeah, we know you're still the puppet master behind the curtain.00:19
GeneralAntilles"Removed" my ass.00:19
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* Jaffa would never remove your ass.00:19
timeless_mbpjohnq: i know that not constantly retopicing the same topic can be considered a poor way to communicate the channel topic00:19
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: Except when I want 'em to do things concrete ;-)00:19
* frals read it the same way as Jaffa, appearently :D00:19
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johnqtimeless_mbp: what is This decentralization is just another topic...00:20
Jaffafrals: You have a bad mind :)00:20
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* GeneralAntilles throws a comma in there.00:20
fralsJaffa: I blame the many hours spent reading MMS/WSP standards ;)00:20
timeless_mbpjohnq: is some stupid Finnish default language twitter like stupid stupid thing00:20
* timeless_mbp offers frals a spell checker for "apparently"00:20
fralsthank you!00:21
JaffaWTF's happened to ?00:21
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timeless_mbpJaffa: it was written in British English?00:22
Jaffatimeless_mbp: It used to have a repackaged version of the Qaiku feed to look all nice and pretty and accessible.00:22
frals like that?00:22
Jaffafrals: Ah yeah.00:22
JaffaFuck. Embarassing email sent :)00:22
timeless_mbpyay wikis00:23
timeless_mbpi originally thought the 9 was a sprint number or day00:23
timeless_mbpeventually i wondered if it was a year00:23
timeless_mbpthis is why years should always have 4 digits00:23
timeless_mbp(unless they need 5 or more..)00:23
Jaffajohnq: Anyway, if you don't like Qaiku, it's not decentralised. You can track the current work at
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timeless_mbpanyone here use any Maemo5 sharing service?00:25
johnqJaffa: It would be really great, if there was a big red banner on if something like that happens.00:25
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Jaffajohnq: I don't disagree00:26
johnqand thanks for your time, Jaffa and timeless_mbp.00:26
xorAxAxare there mirrors of the repo?00:26
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timeless_mbpxorAxAx: jebba is running one]00:26
timeless_mbpyou could find it in the irc logs or somewhere00:26
fralstopic has them00:27
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timeless_mbpfrals: oh ... how dare we topic useful information00:27
* timeless_mbp decries topic abuse00:27
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fralstimeless_mbp: yes, i know, quite unorthodox (sp?) of us00:27
Noobmonkeyooo lo alls. x-chat works! havn't used irc in yeaaaaaars!!00:28
xorAxAxdoes it have a #maemo preseet? :)00:28
Noobmonkeyno, was hoping it would have!!00:28
* timeless_mbp wonders how to spell "canceled" "cancelled" :(00:29
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Noobmonkeycan't figure out the xchat menu with my fat thumbs. but looks good so far!00:29
timeless_mbp... bookmarks list00:30
* timeless_mbp cries00:30
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xorAxAxyay, 40028 files and directories currently installed.00:31
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xorAxAxwho outnumbers me? :)00:31
SpeedEvil xchat menu  is a bit fail.00:31
timeless_mbpxorAxAx: how do i check?00:31
SpeedEvilwithout stylus00:31
xorAxAxtimeless_mbp: install something00:31
SpeedEvilbut the rest is great00:31
timeless_mbpfrom ham?00:31
xorAxAxno, apt-get install00:31
xorAxAxthen it shows the number00:31
Noobmonkeyyeah. but still good enough to use00:31
xorAxAxi recommend iptables00:32
xorAxAxsmall and useful00:32
Noobmonkeyiptables? an app? sounds usefull00:32
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Kamuianyone finding that wifi stops connecting in 1.1 without rebooting?00:34
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StskeepsKamui: there was a reported bug00:34
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Noobmonkeynope kamui, but took me 2 days to get wifi working after the update! was a mare!00:34
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Kamuii did a full reflash to upgrade too00:35
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Noobmonkeyhmmm how much battery will xchat eat if i leave it alive in the background? getting about 12hrs of good usage at the mo...00:36
timeless_mbpkamui: there are a handful of bugs which will probably be fixed in a 1.1.100:36
timeless_mbpwhich hopefully isn't too far away00:36
timeless_mbpi suspect the wifi problem might be amongst them00:36
timeless_mbpNoobmonkey: in an active or idle channel?00:37
Kamuithats cool, just wondered if it was something with my config or  ap00:37
Kamuigood to know its not just me00:37
timeless_mbpkamui: it /could/ be ;-)00:37
Noobmonkeyyeah. thankful it is working. as my gf lives in a 2g zone.00:37
timeless_mbpso try some other APs ;-)00:37
pupnikNoobmonkey: what fixed ita.00:37
Noobmonkeytimeless, this channell00:37
Kamuiim using wpa2 psk00:37
Kamuimight downgrade to wpa psk00:37
Noobmonkeypupnik, i posted in talk. was a few xterm commands00:38
timeless_mbpkamui: my understanding is that power management can entail basestation specific issues00:38
pupnikcool beans00:38
* timeless_mbp looks for someone who cares about HAM strings00:38
Noobmonkeymmmmmmmm ham sandwiches...00:39
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Kamuitimeless im also experiencing aweful battery life.  but my understanding is that downgrading is impossible unless i want to turn this thing into an IT only00:39
Noobmonkeyhehe yeah00:40
timeless_mbpKamui: so...00:40
timeless_mbpyou can't dowgrade the cellmo00:40
infobottimeless_mbp meant: you can't downgrade the cellmo00:40
Kamuiits that age old addage, if it aint broke dont upgrade :)00:40
Noobmonkeymy battery got a bit better i think00:40
timeless_mbpKamui: nah00:40
timeless_mbpthis is software, "it's always broken"00:40
mtdanyone with an n900 can tell me what apt source provides "python-evolution"?00:40
timeless_mbpthe key is 3 steps forward, 1 or 2 steps back00:40
GeneralAntillesBattery life improved significantly here.00:41
woglinde_mtd repos are down00:41
Kamuiwell its not unbearable.  system is definitely snappier00:41
timeless_mbpas long as the or is boolean instead of bitwise, you're in good shpe00:41
infobottimeless_mbp meant: as long as the or is boolean instead of bitwise, you're in good shape00:41
redeemanGeneralAntilles: here too00:41
Kamuigeneralantilles, i may reflash then00:41
mtdwoglinde_: not sure that's my problem, but good to know.  I'm getting "Package python-evolution is not available, but is referred to by another package." and "E: Package python-evolution has no installation candidate"00:41
GeneralAntillesTracker is doing some reindexing for some people.00:41
Kamuigeneralantilles, i may reflash then00:41
Noobmonkeygeneral, seems to have improved alot in light usage. and not much if i heavily use.00:41
GeneralAntillesand I think there may be a Skype/IM bug.00:41
Kamui i did restore from my backup00:41
timeless_mbpmtd: presumably you're ignoring the topic about repositories being down?00:41
timeless_mbp... and the alternate mirror00:41
xorAxAxwah, the maemo 5 doesnt have a nat module00:42
redeemanGeneralAntilles: do you know if its possible to make tracker ignore some specified directories?00:42
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mtdtimeless_mbp: yes, because I don't see the relevance.  The cached data is wrong.  Presumably this hasn't been fixed since the repos went down.00:42
timeless_mbpredeeman: certainly possible00:42
Noobmonkeygood idea on the alt mirror. would be grat if it worked out of the box with no user input so to speak00:42
redeemanim guessing it just has a configuration file?00:42
mtdtimeless_mbp: of course it's possible, and would be great.  I thanked woglinde_ for pointing the fact out to me.00:42
Kamuithere is a file in .tracker for that00:42
SpeedEvilredeeman: ~/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg or something00:43
redeemanits really annoying me, in my documents folder i have some saved webpages, and ofc those have images, which are flooding the image viewer00:43
SpeedEvilredeeman: howeer - I have added a dir to the exclude list - and it's not taking notice00:43
Kamuispeedevil: gotta rerun the indexer00:44
* Jaffa beds.00:44
Kamuithen it removes indexed exclusions00:44
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Noobmonkeyright me offski. hi n bye alls.00:44
xorAxAxBT tethering is slow, there is no nat module ... whats the recommended way to get a notebook into the net using the n900?00:44
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SpeedEvilKamui: I rebooted - mounted a fs on the excluded mountpoint - and it started indexing00:45
redeemanxorAxAx: do you use PAN or DUN tethering?00:45
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timeless_mbptimeless@espejo:/var/www/$ zgrep python-evolution Contents-armel.gz00:45
redeemanSpeedEvil: it probably didn't do a full reindex00:45
xorAxAxredeeman: DUN00:45
timeless_mbpusr/share/evolution-python/defs/ebook.defs    python/python-evolution00:45
xorAxAxredeeman: slow because BT is slow00:45
Kamuitill get the command going to my desktop00:45
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xorAxAxPAN would fail because of the missing nat module as well, nor?00:45
redeemanthat's why i was wondering :)00:45
redeemanperhaps you were going it with routes or something00:46
redeemanor some weird way00:46
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xorAxAxso the answer is "no method is supported, the ones available suck"?00:46
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timeless_mbptimeless@espejo:/var/www/$ zgrep python-evolution Packages.gz00:46
timeless_mbpPackage: python-evolution00:46
timeless_mbpFilename: pool/fremantle/free/p/python-evolution/python-evolution_0.0.4-maemo1_armel.deb00:46
xorAxAxthats bad00:46
pupnikit is time for bed. how do i shut off cell radio so i dont microwave my brain while listening to n900:00:46
timeless_mbpmtd: that seems to indicate the file exists...00:47
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GeneralAntillespupnik, it doesn't work like that.00:47
pupnikno cell tower polling with high power bursts00:48
cehtehpupnik: there is a app for the powerbutton menu wich lets you enable/disable cell00:48
timeless_mbppupnik: you can install the thing that lets you turn off your cell radio00:48
timeless_mbpand my version is mod'd to use localized strings00:48
mtdtimeless_mbp: yes, it does...evidently the answe to my questions "what apt source provides python-evolution?" is "extras-devel".  So since I don't have that source set up, I can now a) find the package that isn't in extras-devel that requires it; and b) configure extras-devel :).00:49
pupnikahh finally ty00:49
timeless_mbpcellular modem controls buttons00:49
timeless_mbpmtd: i'm having trouble figuring out where that .deb itself is00:49
timeless_mbpbecause i'm tired00:49
cehtehor nudge xorAxAx to help me with the profile switcher :)00:50
timeless_mbproughly speaking though, i have "raw repo" access00:50
xorAxAxcehteh: btw, what is a profile in your terms?00:50
xorAxAxthe ones in the settings gui?00:50
cehtehxorAxAx: not what nokia thinks about profiles but really global :)00:50
cehtehthis profile in the menu is a subset of that00:50
timeless_mbpyeah, it exists in extras-devel00:51
mtdtimeless_mbp: sigh, I found it also in extras, so I don't know why apt is not installing it :(
kamui__SpeedEvil, not sure if Im too late on this00:51
kamui__add the exclusion to the tracker.cfg file00:51
kamui__then tracker-processes -r00:51
timeless_mbpmtd: oh well. ENOTMYPROBLEM :)00:51
cehtehwell it isnt even a profile because its dynamic in different aspects00:51
mtdtimeless_mbp: perhaps now this is repos down.00:51
mtdtimeless_mbp: thanks for looking.00:51
kamui__after about 15 minutes the exluded directories on my device are excluded00:51
kamui__im not sure how this effects mount points though00:52
xorAxAxcehteh: how about "gestalt"? :)00:52
cehtehxorAxAx: you can do things like "dont turn on gps when you are withing home-wlan"00:52
kamui__Im stilli working on getting the TAB key mapped to shift SPACE00:52
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cehtehxorAxAx: dunno ..00:52
mtdis it OK to have both and apt sources enabled?  Or should I disable one (set) while using the other (set)?00:52
timeless_mbpcehteh: can you do things like "don't use gps while in international roaming"? :)00:52
cehtehxorAxAx: dwim? :)00:52
cehtehtimeless: yes that too00:53
timeless_mbpmtd: i'd disable the default one only because you'll waste time causing pain00:53
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mtdtimeless_mbp: fair enough.00:53
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mtdtimeless_mbp: thx.00:53
xorAxAxcehteh: hehe00:53
timeless_mbpbut in theory no, it's just extra round trips00:53
timeless_mbpthe one w/ the better set of packages wins on a per package basis00:53
mtdtimeless_mbp: cool, thanks again.00:53
xorAxAxsigh, why does the device ship so few network related modules00:54
timeless_mbpxorAxAx: you mean why did nokia make an end user oriented product?00:54
cehtehcommunity kernel ftw00:54
timeless_mbpxorAxAx: each module we add increases the testing surface00:54
SpeedEvilkamui: surely a reboot would work00:54
timeless_mbpit also increases the attack surface00:54
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timeless_mbpand the maintenance burden00:55
SpeedEvilonly loaded modules00:55
xorAxAxtimeless_mbp: a nat module would be useful with a gui for it00:55
xorAxAxand the space requirements00:55
timeless_mbpespecially since our kernel ends up being fairly out of date/sync00:55
cehtehcommunity kernel ftw :P00:55
timeless_mbpxorAxAx: you want nokia to write a NAT GUI?00:55
timeless_mbpare you nuts?00:55
* timeless_mbp watched someone try to configure a NAT/VPN system over newyears00:55
xorAxAxa feature that says "share connection wlan0 over usb"00:55
redeemanlol adding netfilter modules hardly increases the testing/maintenance burden00:56
timeless_mbpxorAxAx: we left that for third party devs to compete on00:56
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xorAxAxnow i know why they are missing - somebody fearing laforge? :)00:56
xorAxAxtimeless_mbp: hehe00:56
timeless_mbpit's an opportunity for you to value add :)00:56
cehtehhaving AP mode for wlan would be damn cool00:56
timeless_mbpsadly, I think technically AP mode might require more hardware than we have00:57
timeless_mbpiirc that's discussed in maemo-devel or something00:57
cehtehmhm can the dsp do hardware crypto? AES or sometihng to encrypt flash?00:57
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cehtehtimeless_mbp: ohnoes00:57
timeless_mbpcehteh: you mean while it's playing an MPEG4 video?00:57
timeless_mbp(from disk)00:58
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cehtehplaying? while encoding and streaming over the net and of course record it to encryted storage :P00:58
timeless_mbpah right00:58
timeless_mbpglad to hear you're appropriately greedy00:58
timeless_mbpwould you like it to make dinner at the same time too?00:58
xorAxAxyeah, it should heat up to fry eggs00:59
cehtehjk bit really the flash is so slow, and i have some experience with encrypted disks, even doing that on the CPU should be not that much burden00:59
janszoonanyone using MfE 2003 yet after 1.1 update......I am :-)00:59
cehteh(you rarely do that much bulk io on such a device)00:59
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xorAxAxcehteh: i do and its slow00:59
cehtehwell lack of ram ..00:59
cehtehfennec will solve that01:00
xorAxAxi had it lately dying from bulk io ... load 16 and /proc/.../sysrq didnt work anymor01:00
xorAxAxcehteh: how?01:00
SpeedEvilCan I file bugs against apps in the app store? I want to file a screenshot of angrybirds - with 'that should so have fallen' :)01:00
cehtehas soon its released we will see smartphones with 2G ram and 2Ghz dualcores :)01:00
xorAxAxah, yes01:00
xorAxAxthe intel scheme01:00
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GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, no bugtracker for Ovi stuff as far as I'm aware.01:01
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timeless_mbpthere's an internal bug tracker01:02
timeless_mbpbut it scares me much more than the internal nokia bugzila01:02
infobottimeless_mbp meant: but it scares me much more than the internal nokia bugzilla01:02
xorAxAxtimeless_mbp: why is that?01:03
timeless_mbpSpeedEvil: as a lark, i'd probably file it in the misfiled part of bugs.maemo :)01:03
timeless_mbpxorAxAx: no comment01:03
timeless_mbpjust trust me, there's scary, scarier, and that.01:03
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xorAxAxbecause of the setup? or the content?01:03
xorAxAxlet me guess, they tried to implement business workflows that were required by the customer? :)01:04
timeless_mbpi really didn't and don't want to think about it01:04
ignaciusI'm trying to open a new browser window programatically using qt dbus01:05
ignaciusI have this piece of code01:05
ignaciusbut doesn't seem to work01:06
ignaciusdoes anybody see something wrong in there?01:06
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xorAxAxah, cool. i can do multiple dial ups with the same chip:01:09
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xorAxAxfirst i connect directly from the n900 and then i dial up via tethering01:09
xorAxAxnow i try to move the tethering part to an ssh connection via usb networking and then i am able to connect to the internet from the laptop via usb cable01:10
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xorAxAxdoesnt sound that odd? :)01:13
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redeemandoes anyone know what applications in maemo uses the tracker data? is it only mediaplayer/imageviewer?01:13
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timeless_mbpcamera contributes to it :)01:17
redeemanyeah okay01:17
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redeemanso its only images/video indexes that are used?01:17
jophishon the n900, does the touch sensitive surface extend beyond the screen?01:18
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SpeedEvilon the right-hand edge by 5mm or so01:18
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redeemanhmm it would appear to do :D01:19
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redeemandidn't notice that before01:19
grishnavalso on the left, no?01:20
redeemandidn't seem like it01:20
xorAxAxcehteh: how could i do that? i want to connect ssh n900 pnatd to pppd01:20
grishnavthat's why the "history" and "cursor emulation" gestures work01:20
xorAxAxcehteh: but pppd wants to open a device01:20
redeemangrishnav: what?01:20
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xorAxAxcehteh: it is a program that behaves like a modem to stdin/stdout01:21
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cehtehno idea01:21
grishnavredeeman: in the web browser, you activate the history by dragging your finger in from the right. just dragging from the right screen edge doesn't work, you have to start outside the screen. Same with cursor emulation, dragging in from the bottom-left.01:21
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Kamuiim going back to pidgin until the conversation plugin bug is resolved01:25
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xorAxAxcehteh:  ah, with notty it should work01:26
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rdDoes the N900 camera app write the geotags into the jpg image or a separte database?01:27
Kamuiinto the image01:28
Kamuiits removed if you share and specify otherwise01:28
SpeedEvilinto the image - badly01:28
Kamuipenis butter01:28
povbot`Bug 6584: GPS geotagged pictures truncate precision of GPS reading (0 decimal places)01:28
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xorAxAxcehteh: how can i create anonymous sockets in sh?01:28
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xorAxAxcehteh: and use them as stdin/stdout in the next line?01:29
cehtehno idea :P01:29
rdI copied the jpg using ssh onto my linux machine01:29
rdexif does show only coordiantes though01:29
xorAxAxcehteh: i thought you are a shell magician01:29
cehtehdoing other stuff and going to bed01:29
rdis there a way to read the geotags?01:29
rdoutside of the N900?01:30
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MaemohammadAGrd i thought that's how all of them worked01:31
MaemohammadAGby adding coordinates01:31
xorAxAxssh n900 >&3 <&401:31
xorAxAxsudo /usr/sbin/pppd call tmobileusb <&3 >&401:31
xorAxAxcehteh: that should work, right? good night01:31
SpeedEvilrd: exif01:32
rdI thought the N900 adds the city name to the jpg01:32
cehtehnote that redirections are done as the calling user not sudo01:32
SpeedEvilrd: anything that reads exif metadata will tell you lat/lon01:32
MaemohammadAGrd no device does that afaik01:32
rdWhat ist the point of displaying the city while I am taking the photo?01:32
rdshows exif01:33
SpeedEvilrd: it's to auto-tag it for flickr et al.01:33
MaemohammadAGcause any site like wikimapia will give you the location01:33
SpeedEvilrd: so it for example shows up if someone searches for that city01:33
redeemanSpeedEvil, kamui: after inspecting the tracker configuration file i think that it is not working properly - it appears to index stuff not specified in there01:34
* MaemohammadAG checks the coordinates and finds out where rd lives01:34
rdSpeedEvil: is it correct that the city name is not in the exif information, just the lat/lon/alt ?01:34
SpeedEvilrd: dunno that - not loooked01:34
Kamuiredeeman, ivd not looked intgo it since 1.0101:34
Kamuicould be a 1.1 bug01:34
MaemohammadAGrd, correct01:34
rdMaemohammadAG: it will only tell where I took the photo ;-)01:35
MaemohammadAGi assume it's close to your house :)01:35
redeemanKamui: it exhibited this behavior before too - for instance, it appears to index the backgrounds that comes bundled etc01:35
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Kamuibut it indexes your home folder01:35
rdMaemohammadAG: The assumption is not bad....01:35
Kamuii had to exclude my wallpaper and game folders01:35
redeemanKamui: the config file doesn't specify the homedir, only a few subdirs01:36
rd....but what is the point of Nokia that it displays me where I am while taking a photo?01:36
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MaemohammadAGi seem to have a problem, duplicate .folders in MyDocs01:36
Kamuiotherwise i had an assload of warcraft 2 images in photos app01:36
MaemohammadAGonly in filemanager01:36
Kamuiredeeman, might be in a global file, i havent looked much further into t01:36
Kamuinot since i got it working01:36
SpeedEvilrd: in case the position is in error - or to remind you if you want to edit it01:37
rdwhy don't they store it in the jpeg....when they already "paid" for getting the information01:38
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SpeedEvilthere is no standard field for it I guess01:38
redeemanKamui: no global config files for tracker01:38
Kamuiwell nipples. that kills that theory01:40
Kamuigotta be a symlink or something thats not obvious01:41
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bekozsuch a long list of people and no chatter?01:43
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SmilyOrgwell, it's around midnight in europe01:45
SmilyOrgand it's monday :)01:45
bekozI'm in th eUS01:45
* MaemohammadAG likes the headphone daemon01:46
bekoznot sure why this web IRC client put me on a european server01:46
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ShadowJK_the servers are connected. same people as if you had been connected to a us or asian server01:47
MaemohammadAGheadphoned - Pauses the media player when headphones are unplugged01:47
bekozit's strange then that there is no chatter from the people that are awake01:48
bekozor at least should be01:48
GeneralAntillesbekoz, this is IRC01:48
GeneralAntillesPeople are often idle.01:48
bekozidle is one thing01:49
bekozwith a list this size for no one to be talking is yet another01:49
MaemohammadAGlurking is another :P01:49
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bekozlooks like there mey be some lag also01:50
SpeedEvilbekoz: most of these people are in fact down for maintainance. The server at nokia is broken.01:50
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bekozyeah I got that earlier trying to down some apps01:51
bekozI had to use espejo's mirror01:51
bekozwas glad to find it too01:51
ShadowJK_most lag originates from people ;)01:52
bekozhey MOUD01:52
bekozTrue ShadowJK01:52
MOUDhello bekoz01:52
MOUDhow can I watch DivX movies on my n900?01:52
bekozI'm fairly new to my N900 MOUD01:53
ShadowJK_I'm actually at work right now, using xchat on n900 for irc, which I shouldn't be doing being at work :001:53
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MOUDthat's ok bekoz01:53
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MOUDi just bought mine toda01:54
smpsMOUD, try n900 integrated media player01:54
MOUD*today (sorry for the multi post)01:54
smpsMOUD, or kmplayer01:54
MOUDsmps: do you have the links pleaes?01:54
bekoznot sur eif you can get some additional decoders for DIVX01:54
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smpsMOUD, try first preinstalled media player01:54
MOUDsmps: the divx (.avi) file shows on the "Videos" section but no image appears and it can't be played01:55
bekozShadowJK everyone does it anyhow01:55
MOUDit says something about that codec not supported01:55
redeemanKamui: i made it do as i want by manually removing the documents watch, and then adding MyDocs to nowatch01:55
redeemannow it only indexes explicitly listed01:56
GeneralAntillesbekoz, you clearly don't have much experience with IRC. ;)01:56
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ShadowJK_i think divx doesn't require any extra codecs01:56
MaemohammadAGMOUD, it's happened to me a lot01:57
ShadowJK_does it play the included 9 trailer ans N900 promo video?01:57
MaemohammadAGi think it's the extra-decoders package01:57
MOUD*yes it plays the promo video01:57
bekozhaven't done it in many years01:57
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smpsMOUD, do you hear sound of your divx ?01:58
bekozI 'm rysty01:58
MOUDsmps: no, it doesn't open because the codec is not supported01:58
ShadowJK_what resolution?01:58
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MOUDnot sure, torrents02:00
smpsok i am downloading divx to my device to test it02:00
ShadowJK_ok, using the fm transmitter with 3dB power overclock isn't going to lasta all the remaining 4 hours of work :)02:00
smpsit does not work when i try to look that from server directly02:00
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smpsShadowJK_, you overclocked fm transmitter ?02:01
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ShadowJK_well you can boost the power a bit02:02
ShadowJK_not sure if that eventually fries it por what02:03
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bekozShadowJK < Are you using the FM Boost script? Is anyone?02:04
ShadowJK_but battery is dropping 1 percentage every 5 minutes.. 50 percent remaining times 5 minutes would only leave 10 minutes to spare :)02:04
Kamuimtpaint runs nicely on the n90002:04
ShadowJK_no i just did it manually02:04
Kamuislight interface issues02:04
smpsShadowJK_, how did you do that ?02:04
Guest33601Anyone know how to manually refresh the library for the media player, or clear the old library cache?  I have a bunch of mp3s I deleted that are still listed in the media player.02:04
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Kamuinext indexing they will vanish02:05
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Kamuitracker-processes -r iirc to clear the cache02:05
Guest33601cool, thanks.02:06
smpsMOUD, divx from stream does not work but one directly from device is working02:06
Kamuimplayer is also working for me now02:06
Kamuiin 1.102:06
Kamuilotta good changes02:07
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Kamuibtw, confirmed its definitely a problem with the conversation IM plugins02:07
smpsMOUD, but mplayer does play it just fine both ways02:07
Kamuiexcessive battery drain stopped now that im using pidgin02:07
smpsShadowJK_, how did you "overclocked" fm trans ?02:08
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ShadowJK_it's a file in /sys, search I saw it there02:08
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smpsShadowJK_, power_level ?02:10
MOUDis it worth to update the system ?02:11
MOUDi have to go now02:11
MOUDthank you for the help02:12
xorAxAx  this is how i use pnatd to do internet over ppp over pnatd over ssh over usb:
xorAxAxworks like a charm02:12
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MaemohammadAGany way to change a song's name?02:14
MaemohammadAGthe metadata name02:14
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Kamuidang, playing audio really rapes system resources02:16
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SpeedEvilkamui: that can be misleading02:20
jebbakamui ya, pulseaudio takes like 33%  ...02:21
bekozAnyone use MediaBox?02:23
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bekozis there something better with similar functionality?02:24
GeneralAntillesAt what CPU level, though.02:24
bekozwell that is the question02:25
bekozIC MediaBox is a bit of a CPU hog02:25
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bekozon the N90002:26
bekozwondering if there is something even slightly better02:26
bekozGeneralAntilles: was that to me or jabba?02:27
redeemananyone else have problems playing xvid files?02:27
redeemani just get black screen02:28
redeemanthough i know it can decode it, since it usually freezes at first frame or something like it(video only, audio continues), and sometimes that frame contains something already02:28
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smpsredeeman, i have that problem if i try to watch movie from server02:30
GeneralAntillesbekoz, about Pulse eating resources.02:30
smpsredeeman, but from device directly without problems02:30
redeemansmps: ah, i do it from dlna02:30
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redeemankamui_ hmm, it seems after i made the modification to tracker.cfg it now indexes ringtones02:41
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bekozhow do you get the media player to just index teh directories you want it to index?02:42
bekozor watch the directories you want it to watch02:44
redeemanmodify .config/tracker/tracker.cfg, but i haven't yet made it work exactly as i want02:45
bekozsomeone else said they did that a little earlier but I switched IRC clients so I don't have that part of hte convo02:46
* timeless_mbp looks for someone brave enough to use Nokia Messaging02:46
timeless_mbp#define brave foolhardy02:47
bekozThank you redeeman02:47
redeemanbekoz: let me know if you get it working as you want02:47
bekozwill do02:47
bekozI looked back in the logs and it was you02:50
redeemanyes that was for the photo thing02:50
redeemanthat works02:50
redeemanbut it now indexes ring tones02:50
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smpsis there any way to copy link in web browser on n900 ?02:52
bekozhold your finger or stulus on the link02:52
bekozyou wil get a popup menu02:53
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bekozredeeman are you on the N900?02:53
redeemani have it in my one hand, but im not on irc from it02:54
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arpyheh i just logged in on my n900.  xchat is nice.02:54
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bekozI'm not familliar with the directory structure. where is the .config directory?02:55
redeemanin /home/user02:55
redeemangotta go now, laters02:55
bekoznot on mine02:56
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bekozbe back another time03:01
bekoznice to meet everyone03:02
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jebbahow is it that  is down too? Nearly everything is gone...03:02
MaemohammadAGthat's a bad move03:03
MaemohammadAGthanks again for the repos jebba03:03
jebbano prob  :)03:03
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smpspowerplant outage ?03:04
MaemohammadAGisp move03:05
GeneralAntillesjebba, same host.03:05
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xorAxAxthe location posting feature is cool03:07
jebbathey've moved to a new multi-SPOF network03:07
pwnguinmultiple single point of failure?03:08
jebbaya, they have multiple points where a single failure can bring the whole thing down03:08
pwnguini thought that was a few days ago03:09
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jebbahard to keep track of all the outages.03:09
pwnguinnah, nagios makes it easy to track multiple outages03:09
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UQsfnighty all03:12
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cpscottiHey there.. is extras repository totally out or is there something bad with me?03:29
SpeedEvilsee hte topic03:29
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SpeedEvilA reindeer pooped on the server.03:29
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cpscottiSpeedEvil: that answer was for me?03:33
cpscottiany ideas on when it's comming back?03:33
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SpeedEvilI assume sometime monday is likely.03:36
SpeedEvilpresumably nobody was able to work on it during the weekend due to the security lions or something.03:36
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SpeedEvilbut I don't think there has been any actual info from anyone that knows on an ETA03:37
GeneralAntillesMonday is the ETA.03:37
goodwillI think the servers just needed a good wekend of drinking03:37
cpscottijust found on talk03:37
goodwilleveryone needs that at some point or other03:37
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cpscottigoodwill: totally agreed!03:37
similacare the espejo mirrors still working?03:38
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goodwillall hail jebba03:38
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similacstrange I can't get to them or the maemo servers now03:38
goodwillsimilac: ... works for me03:39
goodwillqtircelco is nice03:40
goodwillbut I think the transmitter is directional instead of area03:41
goodwillcause I have to point it directly03:41
goodwilltomorrow I'll mess with Mac boys at work ...03:41
goodwilliPhone my a....03:41
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MaemohammadAGgoodwill, you're right03:44
MaemohammadAGi thought it was weak03:44
MaemohammadAGpointing it directly works03:44
goodwillMaemohammadAG: I kinda wonder if its possible to install a little lense over it ...03:45
MaemohammadAGmight be possible03:47
MaemohammadAGor a small reflector03:47
MaemohammadAGanyways i'm off03:51
MaemohammadAGhave fun with your mac friends goodwill :p03:51
* MaemohammadAG marks his next target, the tv store03:51
similacnot sur ewhy Application manager is failing on getting the info from those catalogs now, it worked earkier today03:53
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similacearlier even03:53
goodwillinteresting ... messaging uses html and js for render03:53
goodwillthis opens up a lot of possibilities03:53
ruiedcan I open samba shares in n900?03:54
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torindelruied: if you install kernel module yes03:54
similacanyone have any ideas why the catalogs I should be able to reach are failing to refresh on N90003:56
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goodwillsimeoni: there shoudl be an error message yo can look at03:56
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similacstrange messages03:56
similacit's telling me it couldn't resolve teh domain but it gives nme the ip address to the name03:57
jebbasimilac: which messages? I just checked each server and the logs are flowing.03:57
VDVsxso, the mailing list are down ? (I was out during the week, catching up atm :) )03:57
jebbaVDVsx: yes down.03:57
jebbafor the whole  weekend. Along with the repos, the firmware images on etc.03:58
VDVsxseems that Nokia has a god provider :p03:58
similacactually its telling me it could not connect to the url03:58
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similacUnable to connect to espejo.freemoe.org04:00
jebbasimilac: well, others can.  Something local to you.04:00
similacjust my phone04:00
swc|666change your dns04:00
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similacI have been having strange results with networking today04:02
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jebbagoodwill: in what way?04:03
goodwilljebba: nm ... I think I overreacted ...04:04
jebbaif you want i'll give you shell access and you can check the log files and see for yourself that it's not down.  :)04:04
goodwilljebba: :)04:04
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goodwilljebba: I kinda thought it overloaded04:04
goodwilljebba: thanks for the repos04:04
swc|666jebba, i've noticed lag in resolving it by domain name, but it resolves instantly by the A record ip's04:04
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similacso maybe I'm not crazy?04:05
goodwillsimilac: lets not mix 2 things :)04:06
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similacNow I received teh updates from the catalogs04:08
jebbaswc|666: use for your nameserver :)04:09
goodwillwhat exactly is the point of the flashlight applet04:11
goodwillit just flashesh04:11
swc|666jebba, yea i can resolve it quick from my corporate dns.. but i'd _never_ use google for resolving because it would feel *dirty* ;)04:11
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goodwillit does not keep it on04:11
SpeedEvilgoodwill: it works for me.04:14
SpeedEvilgoodwill: that is - it stays on04:14
goodwillinteresting ...04:14
goodwillfor me it just flashes04:14
SpeedEvilgoodwill: open camera, dismiss camera app, click time/... area, click 'flashlight' to turn it on04:15
similacyeah works for me just fine04:15
jebbabe careful with that flashlight thing. It may damage your hardware.  There's a thread on talk about it.04:15
SpeedEvilWhich is ass-hatted.04:15
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SpeedEvilUnless the comments in the driver are incorrect, the flashlight is being used at its rated power for continuous duty.04:16
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jebba  flashlight thread04:16
SpeedEvilHowever - there is no protection against the flash being used at full power quite often indeed - which will heat it more04:16
jebbaSpeedEvil: which comment in the driver?04:17
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jebbag2g for a bit04:17
goodwillah .. a reboot fixed it04:17
goodwilli think it had something to do with the camera04:18
SpeedEviljebba: the comment in the platform driver. Look at the comment about it I made in the n900_hardware_flashlight page on the wiki04:19
SpeedEvilwhich links04:19
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goodwillalso I had it plugged intoi chargin04:20
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jebbaSpeedEvil: ya, that's what i was talking about. But i read it differently. See that talk thread too04:27
SpeedEvilI see nothing more than largely uninformed speculation.04:27
SpeedEvilquote the lines that concern you04:28
jebbado you see the parts where i put the kernel code and the git log?04:28
SpeedEvilno - I was skimming it looking for concrete data04:28
jebbai'm not sure in the flashlight app how high it runs it though04:28
SpeedEvilwithout kernel mods - it can't run it continuously at low power04:29
SpeedEvilas I read the driver04:29
SpeedEvilThermal reasons04:29
SpeedEvilthe LEDs are flash rated LEDs04:29
SpeedEvilthat do not have adequate tehrmal paths to sustain operation at full current forever04:30
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ShadowJK_anyone know how many mA full current is?04:31
SpeedEvil320 IIRC04:31
SpeedEvilvs 50 continyous04:31
SpeedEvilthe LED brightness is on the order of a tenth of flash LED brightness, so I've not bothered checking the source.04:32
smpshuh 320 is some big number04:32
SpeedEvilIt's clearly _lots_ dimmer.04:32
SpeedEvil.32A is a much smaller number04:32
smpsfor leds 320 mA is big04:32
torindelSpeedEvil: i think better idea would be just use screen backlight (white display + ignore light sensor) instead of that flashlight app04:33
SpeedEvilno, it's not.04:33
ShadowJK_for a led without heatsink it's not something you want for more than a few seconds04:33
SpeedEviltorindel: The driver explicityl says that 50mA is OK. The flashlight app cannot without patrching the kernel do more than 50mA04:33
SpeedEvilIt could of course flash - but...04:34
arpwatchstrobe flashlight?04:34
SpeedEvilPower LEDs are quite high power these days.04:34
SpeedEvilI have one 3.5*3.5mm LED that takes up to 3 watts, and emits about as much light as a 15W halogen bulb.04:35
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ShadowJK_consider that maglite LED module (bulb replacement) is 350mA (iirc), and goes into thermal throttle because the maglite torches have inadequate thermal path (designed for incandescent bulbs), then compare the thermal heatsinking of the n900 LEDs...04:35
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SpeedEvilAnd yes - that's all quite irrelevant to the LEDs being run at 1/7th their peak power.04:36
SpeedEvilWhich is explicityl stated in the driver that they can do04:36
SpeedEvilthey will get lots hotter at 0.5s flash per 3 seconds or so04:37
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SpeedEvilover a couple of minutes say04:37
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redmelted screen04:39
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SpeedEvil1/7th of the peak current rather. probably more like 1/10th of the peak power.04:41
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redspent 30min rendering something04:48
redand noticed I had been editing effects in a keyframe one too soon, so next frame applied old values04:48
redffs >_<04:48
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microlithjebba: I like your subdomains05:17
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Dr_Cainrepos still down?05:23
Dr_Cainalso in which repo is the portmap package?05:23
Dr_Cainkind of need it for nfs :|05:23
KenYoungDr_Cain, Down 'til tomorrow, at least.05:24
Dr_Cainah, alright05:24
jebbaDr_Cain: mirror here:
Dr_Cainheh cool05:25
Dr_CainI think I can wait another day though05:25
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arpwatchanyone ever convert one non-working video (.mkv file, VLC says its codecs are avc1/a52) into a format that will play on n900?  I followed these directions and no luck.  The audio plays but the video blinks.05:29
arpwatchtried playing in kmplayer and the default player(mplayer?)05:32
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pwnguinhaving a digital camera around is pretty handy for debugging IR LEDs05:49
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grishnavdamnit, are the catalogs really still down?07:10
microlithuntil monday07:14
KenYoung(Ooops - I meant grishnav )07:15
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arpwatchguess people don't work over there in Yurop on the weekends07:18
grishnavso is there any harm in using a mirror? if i install stuff from the mirror, will it correctly get updates from the regular repo when it comes back online?07:21
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arpwatchgrishnav: best to disable the official repo for the moment if you are using mirror07:23
arpwatchI installed xchat today with no worries from the mirror.  Darn fast, too.07:23
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ShadowJK_I hope this doesn't ignite some drive to move to ncorporate nokia infrastructure07:38
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KenYoungShadowJK_, What do you mean by "this" ?07:40
ShadowJK_the weekend outage07:40
KenYoungShadowJK_, My understanding is that there have been server problems for a longer time period than that.   Why would it be a bad think to move to Nokia servers, or was thant not what you were referring to?07:42
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ShadowJK_despite the problems I think it's better that maemo has "control" over the server and can add new stuff and change stuff without having to go through nokia sysadmins...07:43
ShadowJK_the thing timeless said about anything taking a minimum of 6 months on nokia's own infra :)07:45
Disconnectask george france (of about the mess he had when hp bought compaq, and again when they closed down the research lab that hosted it, and again when they stopped gifting the server space. way better to be on external infra, even if nokia wants to pay for it outright..07:53
arpwatchCarly Fiorina was teh CEO of HP when they bought Compaq.  Of course the devil is going to screw you over.07:55
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ShadowJK_man, that "ISP's" webpage makes me think of dilbert comics08:00
Disconnectarpwatch: sure, cuz she went around to every employee to see how she could make their lives difficult.. or something..08:01
Disconnectit had way more to do with stuff like router configs, ip address changes, domain management..08:01
ShadowJK_50 pages to say "we consultants. we take your money."08:01
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* RST38h moos 08:09
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RST38hBTW, Fiorina is still alive and kicking08:10
RST38hShe is considered very successfull =)08:11
KenYoungRST38h, It is believed she will run for the US Senate soon.   She wants to move beyond distroying the US one company at a time.08:13
infobotKenYoung meant: RST38h, It is believed she will run for the US Senate soon.   She wants to move beyond destroying the US one company at a time.08:14
RST38hKenYoung: I hope she runs for Texas or something then08:14
KenYoungRST38h, She's got her eye on a California Senate seat.08:15
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RST38hHELO tekojo08:20
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tekojoRST38h what does "dig" say to you?08:22
RST38ha moment08:23
RST38h;; Query time: 182 msec08:23
RST38h;; WHEN: Mon Jan 18 01:23:07 201008:23
RST38h;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 9708:23              3600    IN      SOA 2010011701 7200 3600 1209600 360008:23
tekojonot good, should be something else entirely08:24
* microlith seems to have confused the n900 media player greatly08:24
TommyBresthere's no place like
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RST38htommy: that is the local address issuing the query apparently08:30
TommyBresRST38h: that's a joke, i've seen it written on a nerd's t-shirt08:31
TommyBres127.0.0.1 = localhost = "home"08:31
TommyBresthere's no place like home08:31
hrw| still dead?08:31
arpwatchoh come on you don't have to spell it out. :P08:31
tekojohrw|gone yep, dns points to nowhere08:31
tekojostill some more clearing work to do08:31
TommyBresarpwatch: apparently i do lol :P08:31
hrw|gonenice server move08:32
tekojonot happy either08:32
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arpwatchhrw|gone: apparently Yurop'eans don't work on weekends.08:32
arpwatch(I have no idea if that is true or not, just perpetuating stereotypes)08:33
tekojosome of us do, but apparently not our isp08:33
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microlithmm, note to self, don't transfer files over wifi08:36
microlithdevice is quite toasty08:36
arpwatchmine seems to be a bit warm over the past couple of days.  I don't know if the update is causing it somehow or what.  I've been moving quite a few files over usb/wifi.08:38
hrw|gonearpwatch: it rather looks like 'we chosen hosting center which does not have any weekend time support'08:38
microlitharpwatch: over wifi it pegs the cpu08:39
microliththat and I have to turn off wifi power management or my router won't talk to my device08:39
hrw|gone~curse modest development08:40
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, modest development !08:40
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arpwatchhrw: is it Bob's Bit's n Stuff ?08:41
arpwatchI know every country is a little different but it seems like the internet and apps run on their own time.  I can't imagine a company that just says "Stuff it, we'll save it for Monday"08:42
tekojoarpwatch I so agree and will tell it to an ISP in about half an hour when there is someone to talk to in colourful language08:44
arpwatchtekojo: ha!  Well if you want you can forward them to me.  I'm 3 sheets into the wind and I'll curse them in bad english, worse german, or awful dutch.08:45
microlithdo all 3, for added effect08:46
arpwatchat the same time?  it just might work.08:46
tekojoarpwatch, Ooh cursing in dutch would be a great trick08:46
tigerttekojo: so whats the real ip the dns should point to?08:47
tekojoto akamai caching08:47
tekojoit's a CNAME08:47
tigertah ok08:47
tekojonot an ip08:47
arpwatch:) time for the fools to go to bed.  Hopefully I won't be using the mirror tomorrow.08:48
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tigertthe isp screwed up and there is nobody looking over things over weekend?08:48
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tigerti guess a good isp is one where you can /msg the sysadmin on irc because he hangs on the same channels ;)08:54
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tigertthose are getting rare though08:56
tigert(or I am on wrong channels ;)08:56
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hrw~curse modest development09:16
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, modest development !09:16
hrwthere is a fix for bug in 3.2 and master branches. but 51.1 uses modest-3.1 branch which lacks too many changes to get fix applicable...09:18
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ifreqdoes the mediaplayer lib have long refresh/indexing time?09:27
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TriztFromWorkHow's it going with the DNS for r.m.o?09:38
prontoRis there any easy fast way to force update on the media players video list?09:38
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tekojoTriztFromWork propagating according to our hostmaster09:43
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pupnikwe need a frontend for building media player playlists that allows some more flexible selection.  i cannot build a playlist from multiplÃe albums or categories09:44
pupnikApple seeks ban on nokia imports
pupnikWhen government is allowed to regulate buying and selling, the first thing bought and sold is government. - P.J. OäRourke09:47
TriztFromWorklets ban US and the world becomes a better place09:48
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Caesiumis there any known reason that ctrl isn't sticky like shift and blue-fn arrow are? and is it fixable in the keymap?09:56
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TriztFromWorkhow often do you need a sticky ctrl?10:11
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Caesiumquite often, screen detach of ctrl-a d is hard using left hand only without it10:13
tigertName:   a515.g.akamai.net10:13
tigertok, propagating indeed10:13
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WolfieCaesium: xterm's on-screen ctrl is sticky10:15
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Caesiumyeah, that's what I use atm10:16
ifvoidthat doesn't look good :(10:16
X-Fadeifvoid: Waiting for the cache to be flushed.10:17
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ruskie <-- hmm10:43
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LynoureInteresting, before the latest upgrade, if I had Quicknote running and clicked on the launcher on the desktop, I got sent to the existing Quicknote10:45
LynoureNow a new one gets started.10:45
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timeless_mbptekojo: oh, can you record your discussions? i want to hear finns using colorful language10:49
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tekojotimeless_mbp it's fairly monotonic10:49
timeless_mbptigert: dunno, DreamHost sitll does that10:50
jXtimeless: Love the hidden portrait mode for the browser, btw10:50
HukkaUrgh, apt complains of missing repository keys10:50
jXit's schweet.10:50
HukkaDid something happen with the old ones?10:50
jXHukka: is on the move10:50
jXso they're down for now10:50
timeless_mbpHukka: you should read the channel topic10:50
tekojoHukka you are seeing a problem with the akamai caching. It's being solved10:50
timeless_mbpfor some stupid reason we put topical information into the topic10:51
timeless_mbptekojo: presumably you'll use qaiku to update people10:51
Hukkatimeless_mbp: I read it when I join, but yeah, should check it more often10:51
tekojotimeless_mbp good point10:51
* timeless_mbp goes to a morning meeting10:51
timeless_mbptekojo: are you going to be at the meeting or are you still babysitting the isp?10:52
HukkaI just thought it was odd that the packages download, but the keys are off10:52
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tekojotimeless_mbp meeting?10:55
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timeless_mbpoops, wrong group10:58
tekojono prob10:59
timeless_mbppeople don't seem to understand the definition of "all"10:59
timeless_mbpso someone hijacked it10:59
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X-FadeHukka: Better now?11:02
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HukkaX-Fade: Yeah11:03
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Arkenoilooks strange: my n900 *always* charges from USB cable but if i plug the charger shipped with the device it ofiten have to re-plug it second time to get it charging11:16
Arkenoii often have, even11:16
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* timeless frowns11:20
timelessLynoure: that'd be a bug in quicknote11:20
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simonssHello. Anyone here that could answer a question about flashing my n900?11:22
timelessx-fade: ping11:23
timelesstimeless_mbp can't join #maemo11:23
X-Fadetimeless: yep11:23
simonssI want to flash my N900 with a Norwegian keyboard, and unsure which image is the right11:23
X-Fadetimeless: Now you should.11:23
X-Fadetimeless: removed -r mode.11:23
timelessthe irc client there claims that the channel required users to be ...11:23
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X-FadeDon't know who set that, but that is a bit of a barrier to entry.11:24
timelessno kidding11:24
StskeepsX-Fade: a huge spam attack and it was advised by freenode staff i think11:24
simonsswhich image will enable the norgwegian hardware keyboard and let flash the device with the norwegian settings?11:24
Stskeepssimonss: any, i think11:24
X-FadeStskeeps: Yeah, but that is jus not an option.11:24
* timeless_mbp has now surpassed an unreasonably high barrier to entry11:24
StskeepsX-Fade: for longer than attack lasts, yeah, it's not11:24
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X-FadeStskeeps: That will wipe out about half of our users.11:25
* Stskeeps still has 84% of the ircd market, so he knows :P11:25
simonssok? so should I just go with ?11:25
hrwok, need to take care of other things. bye11:25
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timeless_mbpsimonss: you know that you can change the keyboard layout after you boot, right?11:25
timeless_mbpand that the device is supposed to figure out which country it's in so that it doesn't violate local airwave laws11:26
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simonssnope. didn't know. but sounds great. was just wondering because there were different images for us and middle easst11:27
simonssanyway. Thanks for lovely and quick support :) see you around!11:27
ifvoiddoes anyone know which repository libgles2 (for fremantle) is supposed to be in?  Qt depends on it, but apt-get can't find it...11:28
Stskeepsifvoid: nokia-binaries11:28
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simonssBy the way I'm flashing because of this Bug: Its unresolved and has happened to other people I know.11:29
povbot`Bug 5838: Certain directory entries are duplicated11:29
ifvoidStskeeps: how do I install those for fremantle?11:29
simonssany ideas?11:29
ifvoidStskeeps: maemo-sdk says: "Error: Binary-only supplement package not available for fremantle5.0minimal_armel."11:29
sivangmorning rockefellas!11:30
sivangWhat a wonderful rainey morning.11:30
Stskeepsifvoid: that's sb1 or sb2?11:30
Stskeepsno idea sorry :/11:30
ifvoidtrying to follow the instruction here
ifvoidwhich worked perfectly for diablo11:31
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sivangStskeeps: why don't you use the install script ?11:31
sivangStskeeps: it uses system's pakcages11:31
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sivangStskeeps: so no /opt pollution11:32
Stskeepser.. me or ifvoid11:32
sivangyes :)11:32
sivangifvoid: ^^^11:32
ifvoidsivang: install script?11:32
rkcHi.. I have a touch selector in my window.. I want to append new elements in the selector. Appending works fine. But, the windw is not getting refreshed... how to refresh the window?11:32
sivangifvoid: yeah, a PyQt4 based install script for the sdk11:32
sivangifvoid: very neat11:32
ifvoidoh, sounds nice11:32
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ifvoidwhere can I get it?11:32
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sivangifvoid: getting you the link11:33
sivangifvoid: chmod 755 on the file, then execute it and it wil tell you eeveryhting needed to install the SDK11:34
ifvoidok, let's see if that works11:35
sivangifvoid: worked like a charm for me on sid and ubuntu11:35
ifvoid64 bit?11:35
sivangifvoid: a friend of mine I think managed to do with 64bit11:36
sivangifvoid: on an AMD based machine11:36
sivangPhenom processor11:36
ifvoidyeah, but 64 bit distro or 32 bit?11:36
ifvoidbefore, quemu only worked on 32 bit or some such weirdness11:37
sivangifvoid: 64bit 9.10, ubuntu11:37
sivangifvoid: he might have been using a 32bit compatibility mode or something like that11:37
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sivangshame eh took the machine else i could have checked for you11:37
sivang(he was a flatmate and moved out)11:37
sivangifvoid: anyway, see what the install script tells you11:38
ifvoidit seems to use scratchbox1, is that right?11:38
sivangifvoid: but I don't have a 64bit machine, so I wouldn't be able to help much other that that.11:38
sivangifvoid: it does11:38
sivangifvoid: I can give you his email and you can ask how he managed to solve possible issues he had.11:39
ifvoidlet's first see if this works correctly11:39
simonssdoes anyone know if last firmware update helped Google services sync through exchange?11:40
fcrozatsimonss: no change11:40
fcrozatit still kind of work ;)11:40
fcrozatjust don't merge contacts on your n90011:40
simonssso still only intial sync of contacts and calendar right? I can't get them to continuously sync11:40
simonsswhat happens if you merge on the n900?11:41
fcrozatfor me, continuously sync works11:41
fcrozatjust make sure to remove ALL calendar items on your n90011:41
fcrozatand force a full resync11:41
fcrozatafter that, I get contacts and calendar sync working11:42
simonssI like to merge them so I can use the feature of having google talk, msn, skype and sms of a person all in one contact.11:42
simonssbut thats maybe what bugs the syncing...11:42
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fcrozatif you try to merge contacts (when google talk, msn, etc are enabled), it breaks contact sync11:42
Stskeepsmorning wazd11:42
* timeless_mbp grumbles11:42
timeless_mbp28 bugmails from bugs.maemo.org11:43
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simonsshm. I just tried to flash my device (wanted to completely flash it) but still all the documents and settings persist? only factory settings are reset and programs gone. Have I only flashed the rootfs? How do i flash the whole device?11:44
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simonssDo i need to follow the instructions for flashing eMMC?11:46
DocScrutinizersimonss: flash eMMC11:47
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simonssokidok. It says " Vanilla flash image doesnt come with preloaded maps" What does that mean?11:47
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Stskeepssimonss: as in they don't precache according to your region11:49
Stskeepsyou can always download and extract though11:49
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simonssStskeeps: I never realized my device came with preloaded maps. was sure I had to download everything I viewed. Where can I find map files to upload to my device?11:50
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Meceso what's the word on the repos?11:52
X-FadeMece: should be working?11:52
floriangood morning11:52
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sakkadakkaStskeeps: sorry I fell out. hope I didn't miss ur answer?11:53
Meceheh good timing. I tried it 5m ago :D11:53
Mecewhat's the word on tmo then?11:54
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Stskeepstmo hasn't been down11:54
Mecei can't seem to reach tmo11:55
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Meceoh sweet updates how I've missed you!11:55
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sakkadakkaStskeeps: thanks. wonderful :) Last question: Is there any way to sync N900 Ovi Maps with the browser version?11:56
Stskeepsno idea11:56
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SargunHas anyone hacked plain old debian or ubuntu onto the n90011:56
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StskeepsSargun: Mer runs on n900, so ubuntu does too11:57
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wazdheya all11:57
sivangis Mer better catch than Maemo ?11:57
Stskeepsdepending on perspective but not often11:57
Mecestskeeps, apparently it's just me. brilliant site that on :)11:58
adeushmm why is ~/.gnupg with root owner?11:58
JaffaMorning, all11:58
infobotfrom memory, mer is, or on #mer11:58
sivanghey hrw11:58
sivanghey Jaffa11:58
StskeepsSargun: ubuntu rootfs plus and xserver-xorg-input-tslib should do the trick11:58
sivangJaffa: what's going on with the tool to download ovi maps on the machine ?11:58
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Sarguncan you put the radios into monitor mode?11:59
* sivang checks if his mirror is ready11:59
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sivanghas anybody else experienced very long time before connecting the GPS data?11:59
sivangIt practically never works.11:59
Stskeepssivang: AGPS is really a good thing to use12:00
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RST38hSts: Indeed, when you have A-12:00
StskeepsRST38h: that said, there are fishy situations with non A- gps12:00
* wazd 's looking where to buy anaglyph goggles12:00
sivangStskeeps: what is it?12:01
Stskeepssivang: assisted GPS12:01
sivangjebba: oh dear, my disk ran full12:01
Stskeepson n900 that works fine for me12:01
sivangjebba: so rsync stopped in the middle12:01
* sivang googles for assisted GPS12:01
RST38hwazd: mghm...why?12:01
wazdRST38h: want to try it :P12:02
Stskeepssivang: PR1.0 or PR1.1?12:02
sivangStskeeps: you mean the software version?12:02
wazdRST38h: nVidia 3D g's are "oh my god why so expensive"12:02
sivangStskeeps: not sure what you're asking me :)12:02
RST38hwazd: these are made by holding red/blue glasses to left/right eyes12:02
wazdRST38h: well, I know :D12:02
Stskeepssivang: right12:03
RST38hwazd: You can either make them yourself or pick some kids' magazine from the nearest kiosk12:03
sivangStskeeps: /me Abouts on the N90012:03
Stskeepsand Maep gives a much better experience of the n900 gps :P12:03
Stskeepsthan ovi maps12:03
RST38hMaep rules12:03
RST38hDo you know how I can contact the author btw?12:03
sivangStskeeps: OVI maps is quite poor, yes12:04
Stskeepsit's till- isn't it12:04
sivangStskeeps: Maep is a FLOSS app?12:04
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Stskeepsyes, you can use it to floss with12:04
sivangStskeeps: no PR on at the about product page12:05
sivangStskeeps: where do I get that PR number?12:05
Stskeepssivang: what version does it say?12:05
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Stskeepsright, PR1.112:06
Stskeepstry out Maep and see how it performs then12:06
Stskeepsi really had no issue with my setup12:06
sivangJUst need to fix the sources.list12:06
* Stskeeps tries to make Maep cache maps for helsinki12:06
sivangare nokia repos up ?12:06
sivangI tried mirroring them, but I do not have enough disk space :/12:06
StskeepsDNS is changing, takes time12:06
Stskeepsso it might be12:06
sivanglet's check12:07
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arachnistwhy doesn't it have a more reasonable TTL, like 3600s?12:09
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sivangrepos seems to be up12:11
sivangbtw, anybody esle saw the terrible bug when asking the phone app to kick it on tilt ?12:12
sivangwhen the call finishes,12:12
sivangit puts you back in the desktop but doesn't go back to landscape view12:12
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sivangand from there everything's corrupted12:12
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sivangthe view size of the desktop12:12
X-Fadesivang: Yes, I have seen this, but couldn't reproduce.12:12
sivangX-Fade: hard to reprodue, but I think I can12:13
X-Fadesivang: At least I couldn't find the exact sequence.12:13
sivangit doesn't seem to be deterministic12:13
sivangwe also need to improve multitasking.12:13
X-Fadesivang: lock device, press powerbutton. and open with on screen slider.12:13
sivangThere are certain tasks, that make doing other things on the phone jerky12:14
sivangfor example, having a call and trying to use Conboy12:14
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sivang(to take a note)12:14
rabbitearI think people think powermanagement is a slow thing12:14
X-FadeThat is basically swapping.12:14
sivangthat happens also when not using the phone app12:14
X-FadeNot enough ram, so it swapsand this is slow.12:14
sivangthe phone app seems to be eating lots of resources for some odd reason12:14
rabbitearI used to use slower computers then the n90012:14
sivangX-Fade: how can I increase RAM?12:15
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X-Fadesivang: You can't ;)12:15
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rabbitearI'm useless at finding things that are wrong..12:15
sivangand watching a film, is always jerky until about 10 minutes of playing12:15
sivangrabbitear: I was a QA for too lonng.12:15
sivangrabbitear: even when I'm developing, I am finding bugs.12:15
rabbitearsivang: mencoder will tone down your videos for you12:16
rabbitearsivang: you can even do it on the device..12:16
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sivangrabbitear: what does that mean? (no native english speaking here)12:16
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sivangtone == color tone?12:17
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rabbitearsivang: you run a choppy hog video throw a ... like converter ... and get something that is completely playable12:17
rabbitearsivang: you make it easier for the n900 to play12:17
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sivangrabbitear: but why does the iPhone need not this to play vidoes properly?12:18
rabbitearsivang: high speed == tone in that case12:18
sivangrabbitear: it's not using ATOM right?12:18
rabbitearsivang: resource hog -- some videos are12:18
pupnikyou think a "choppy hog" is parseable by a non-english native?12:19
sivangpupnik: the hog was enough12:19
sivangchoppy got EPARSE for me12:19
rabbitearthe point got across12:19
rkcis there any refresh method for GtkWidget?12:19
sivangrabbitear: .redraw something12:19
sivangrkc: ^^^12:19
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rkcsivang: I want to redraw my selector widget after adding elements dynamically12:21
rkcit gets refreshed only when i select some item in the selector12:21
sivangrkc: listen to the event12:21
sivangrkc: then12:21
sivangrkc: you can listen to the adding/removing event, and respond accordingly12:22
rkcbut there is not addition event that can be listened12:22
sivangrkc: IIRC the GTK selector widget fires those events.12:22
rkcok.. even if i can catch those events.. how to command to redraw?12:23
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lardmanJaffa: that email did get through btw12:24
lardmanthe previous one12:24
rkchildon-touch-selector has only one signal "changed", thats been fired when we click on the item..12:24
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sivangrkc: well, you can subclass it and create an improved widget that will fire the events.12:25
rkcthanks.. taht might help me12:27
sivangrkc: you on fremantel ?12:28
wazdX-Fade: ah, the Savior is here! :D12:28
rkcsivang: yes12:28
sivangrkc: okay12:28
* sivang -> lunch12:29
rkcsivang: I maed a small work around.. which helped me..12:29
rkcwhenever a new item is added i will set that item as active.. (simulating the user selection), this fires an event "changed"..12:30
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rkcon those signal handling the widget has been drawn properly12:30
sivangrkc: make sure this is not incurring overheard. I've seen cases where it did.12:30
sivangrkc: test it on the device when other tasks are running before you release it12:30
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rkcyeah.. of course it may be.. but as long as i am not doing much on the slot i hope its fine12:30
rkcsivang: sure12:31
rkci am just a learner.. so its really far from releasse.. but ur point is really valid..12:31
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sivangrkc: cool :)12:42
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timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles / Jaffa / X-Fade : help12:48
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adamgood morning12:51
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FIQgood morning12:51
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X-FadeJaffa: ping?12:59
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Fatalfrals: sorry to poke you, but couldn't find anyone else, do you have problems with internet over 3g on your tele2 sim?13:16
Fatalor anyone know of any issues regarding mobile internet after 1.1 update?13:16
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Gadgetoid_mbpNokia Ovi Press event, 21st January, they're claiming "big new" ... interesting13:16
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SpeedEvilWallpapers with lots of titties!13:17
SpeedEvilOfficial nokia onws!13:17
Laiskammm, titties13:17
rangeHmmm. All those Beachbabe themes seem to have gone from the ovi store.13:18
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SpeedEvilI hope it's actual useful stuff tho13:18
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Gadgetoid_mbplikewise, although I will not be attending13:18
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SpeedEvilFor example turn by turn, or a compatibility layer.13:18
* SpeedEvil has some in the garden.13:19
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Gadgetoid_mbpIt's bound to be something generally relating to Ovi, like several new developers/publishers onboard13:19
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lardmanSpeedEvil: working repos?13:20
SpeedEvilmedia content.13:21
SpeedEvillardman: don't be silly. Way too radical.13:21
StskeepsGadgetoid_mbp: maybe that they fixed the SNAFU of paid apps possible to apt-get13:22
lardmanhmm, even if that's fixed, how do you stop people from packaging up an installed app?13:23
Caesiumwith lawyers ;)13:23
SpeedEvilAdd hidden signatures in the binaries13:23
lardmanwhat does that do?13:24
lardmandoesn't stop it running I assume13:24
RemosiMagical Crypto Pixie Dust.... Crypto can fix all our security problems.... right?13:24
lardmanah, pixies, always the answer13:24
SpeedEvillardman: let you trace who shared the app13:25
lardmanyeah I suppose so13:25
RemosiDoes this mean that all the paid apps are going to run their own updaters?  Are our status areas going to look like (!) ()) (!) (!) (!) (!) /!\ (!) with all the apps that want us to upgrade?13:25
Remosibonus points if they all blink on different periods13:26
Remosigiving a neat disco effect13:26
lardmanand different colours ;)13:26
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ShadikkaLED goes pink blue yellow green pink orange white rinse repeat.13:27
RemosiWill at least one of them ignore your settings and decide to download a 2GB update over GPRS while you happen to be roaming?13:27
Shrik3wouldn't be fun otherwise13:28
* alterego yawns13:28
RemosiShrik3, We need to make sure we give end users an /authentic/ computing experience13:28
Shrik3the Nokia experiance13:29
StskeepsRemosi: i think they'll just settle for token repo like things13:29
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Shrik3experience even13:29
RemosiStskeeps, that'd be nice, apt is /awesome/, and it's even more awesome having it on a phone13:29
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wazd <- go test everybody!13:30
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niekt0Fatal> I have13:38
inzthe double-powerkey-lock is pretty handy13:38
niekt0btw: Vote for, it's blocking bug13:39
povbot`Bug 7972: Kernel in PR1.1 build-depends on fiasco-gen which is nowhere to be found13:39
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xorAxAxniekt0: how do i build a single kernel module for the device?13:43
SpeedEvillook for the jebba kernel thingy - it may have hte module yuou want13:43
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xorAxAxSpeedEvil: indeed13:44
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Stskeepslo javispedro13:46
javispedrohi Stskeeps!13:46
niekt0xorAxAx > i build my module in SDK, according to howto in wiki. (but it was pain). Jebbas howto seems to be more actual.13:46
javispedrojust wanting to ping you :)13:46
javispedrohows the white textures issue?13:46
Stskeepsjavispedro: hmm, think i integrated the patch and i can't recall having problems13:47
javispedrothe last one (testing the byte_order flag)?13:47
javispedro:) wouldn't want to cause any other regression13:48
JaffaX-Fade: pong13:48
X-FadeJaffa: Requested dpkg update in PR1.2 devkit. Marcell will ask around if that is possible.13:50
javispedrooh, that's nice13:50
javispedrothough my condolences to the one that will battle sbox's devkit template13:50
Stskeepsmay god have mercy on his soul13:51
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X-FadeWell, sdk dpkg is up to date. And it works if you upgrade, so I don't see a big problem for the devkit.13:52
X-FadeOther than politics :D13:52
StskeepsX-Fade: the problem is that devkit is riddled with weird SB patches13:52
Stskeepsand dpkg is overriden by devkit13:52
X-FadeStskeeps: Indeed.13:52
Stskeepsi have done it once but i almost went mad13:52
JaffaX-Fade: Cool, ta13:53
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JaffaX-Fade: Good weekend? ;-)13:53
X-FadeJaffa: Not really :(13:54
X-FadeRuined my weekend nicely.13:54
andre__how long does it take until a new blogpost is shown on ? asking because my last one never appeared, and I'd at least like to see mine form this morning.13:56
Stskeepsandre__: what hosting provider do you have?13:56
Stskeepsfor the blog13:56
andre__Stskeeps, blogs.gnome.org13:57
X-Fadeandre__: import runs at :30 each hour.13:57
andre__X-Fade, then something is wrong.13:57
Stskeepsandre__: if there's a non-UTC timestamp on the RSS, planet will be sorting it as if the TS was UTC13:57
Stskeepsbut hmm, can't seem to find it earlier13:58
andre__ is missing my last two posts.13:58
Stskeepsandre__: is an excellent illustration of misinformation btw :P13:58
andre__looks like it definitely has a UTC timestamp.13:58
Stskeeps(people are freaking out cos there's plain text passwords)13:59
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xorAxAxjebba: can you update your modules for the PR1.1?13:59
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RemosiHrm, my N900 since the firmware updates seems to make random, quiet sounds.  I think it's trying to tell me it's just connected to an IM service14:02
Remosibut there are no banners when it does so14:02
X-Fadeandre__: It gets an error when parsing your feed.14:02
Remosianyone know what it is?14:02
pupnik  Stskeeps X-Fade can we get a link from package page to voting page?14:02
rangewazd: Nice clean one.14:02
rangeMe likes14:02
Fatalniekt0: interesting, did it stop working post 1.1 upgrade? I mostly use it on wlan at work, so didn't notice it until yesterday when I wasn't near a AP :/14:02
andre__X-Fade, any more verbose info?14:03
X-Fadeandre__: Your feed is broken.14:03
andre__fuck. why? :)14:03
X-Fadeandre__: Escape & ;)14:03
andre__so if I fix that one, my posts will automatically show up? let's try14:04
mstandre__: that's so easy to miss.14:04
niekt0Fatal> yop, i think it's somewhere in bugzilla also14:04
mstcos it works most places14:04
wazdrange: any bugs?14:04
X-Fadeandre__: I think so.14:05
andre__done. let's see. thanks so much for showing me that it's my fault :-D14:05
Jaffapupnik: There's no voting for Catorise yet as it's not in -testing :)14:05
rangewazd: No obvious ones, yet.14:06
wazdrange: if you don't mind, can you post some screenshots for me? :D14:06
pupnik  ahh there's a link there - good deal14:06
rabbitearandre__: I haven't been in the list at all, I'm been having too much fun with this n90014:06
rangewazd: Some special things you are interested in?14:07
rabbitearwazd: we post the minds14:07
wazdrange: well, desktops, calculator, call ui, browser and conversations would be awesome14:07
rabbitearwazd: not no simple screenshots14:07
rangewazd: Okie. Let me see.14:08
wazdrange: and onscreen keyboard :P14:08
rabbitearwazd: sorry your out of the scene, but thats fine14:08
Fatalniekt0: recall any words of the report? no luck with gprs or tele2 so far14:08
rabbitearwazd: I'm steeling credit card numbers on my n90014:09
rabbitearwazd: what are you doing?14:09
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Stskeepsrabbitear: are you high?14:09
rabbitear:) I'm just kidding14:09
rabbitearbut I'm not in a position to take any shots14:10
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niekt0Fatal> hmm, cannot find it, I thing it was something with 3G, or 2G14:11
fralsFatal: nope, no problems, just got dropped of the cell network yday and after reboot i got a service message with new settings (which i rejected)14:11
niekt0Fatal> Maybe its worth creating new one14:11
rabbitearyes Stskeeps just don't say much14:12
fatal^Fatal: tele2 works perfectly for me.14:13
xorAxAxJaffa: now that you are using translated labels, the german ones are truncated14:13
rangewazd: SMS/Mail notifications are too dark.14:13
xorAxAxJaffa: because they are too long14:13
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rangewazd: Let me wait for a new one.14:13
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rabbitearits just in the bodies they are too long14:13
rabbitearthey can be read too14:14
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niekt0hm, something like whereis would be really usefull for n90014:16
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Stskeepsmorning VDVsx14:17
VDVsxmorning Stskeeps14:17
rabbitearI can't write appications of my own because I am afaird of doing work... the management14:18
* VDVsx is lost in the mail :(14:18
StskeepsVDVsx: if you want a distraction :P (proposal about project management sw for
JaffaxorAxAx: Same for "Location & Navigation" in en_GB14:18
rabbitearwe rather just tell somebody what to do...14:18
rabbitearthen anything do it14:19
xorAxAxJaffa: ok14:19
mstrabbitear: s/we/humans/ and your statement still stands.14:19
rabbitearand management is people too14:19
X-FadeJaffa: Lctn & nvgtn ;)14:19
JaffaxorAxAx: Not sure how best to approach it. 1) Probably should be a hildon-desktop bug that it doesn't wrap; 2) pending that, have own set of shorter translations? But "short label" is an anethema to de_DE ;-)14:19
VDVsxStskeeps, oh, I started a tool with some friends at University, a basecamp clone :p14:19
rangeHow do I enable the onscreen keyboard?14:19
rabbitearas a selfish one tho, if you wanna talk14:19
mstrange: it's in settings14:19
mstrange: text input or something14:20
rabbitearit is in the settings range14:20
StskeepsVDVsx: interesting14:20
rabbitearits kinda annoying tho...14:20
rabbitearI tried that...14:20
rabbiteara first its cool tho..14:20
rangewazd: No screenshot from that - I cannot press CTRL-Shift-P on it :)14:22
bigbrovaris anyone having problem with upnp videos? it was working fine for me before the PR 1.1 software update14:22
wazdrange: heh)14:22
bigbrovarsound plays fine but video is missing :S14:23
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rabbitearI always say you need to read the man page of mencoder14:23
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rabbitearbut what do I know14:23
rabbitearwhats the 1080p bandwidth? thats pretty smart of you to push it thru a cell phone14:24
rabbitearyou da man14:24
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X-Faderabbitear: Something like 8GB/hour ;)14:25
* javispedro notes tablets-dev is up and downloads everything14:25
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Fatalfrals / fatal^: and the only setting you guys have is "" right? no proxy or other thing like that14:26
fralsFatal: proxy
rabbitearthats like saying my cell is better then that computer on your desk, rich kid with the pool14:27
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rabbitearin networking we work from the inside ... not the imagination on the outside14:28
rabbiteareverything happens from within14:28
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VDVsxStskeeps, I like the idea, but the system has to be very simple and also you will need some 'global leader's for the system :)14:29
Stskeeps:nod: it has to be very simple for anyone to understand the concept, yeah14:30
rabbitearVDVsx: sorry I'm not one of them, we just drink alot14:30
rabbitearVDVsx: go do your own works14:30
rabbitearVDVsx: not interest14:30
VDVsxrabbitear, ??14:31
rabbitearVDVsx: don't say anything meaning less14:31
StskeepsVDVsx: the problem will really be who's the leaders and if it will be seen things can work without them14:31
Fatalfrals: hmm, ok, didn't use to need that (nor did it make a difference now) will try to debug further later, thanks14:31
Stskeepsrabbitear: next hypothesis, are you drunk?14:31
rabbitearStskeeps: not really14:32
rabbitearbut I can't lie14:32
rabbitearI think that is a great compliment14:32
VDVsxrabbitear, are you on drugs ? :D14:32
rabbitearbut the action shouldn't be thought about unless there is comment on the 'action'14:32
rabbitearno VDVsx stop that14:33
VDVsxI'm lost14:33
rabbitearVDVsx: I'm commenting on what your saying14:33
rabbitearVDVsx: your commenting on what happening no14:34
javispedroclutter/eglx/clutter-stage-egl.c: Changed depth to 24 bits. O.o14:34
Stskeepsjavispedro: where did you see that?14:34
VDVsxrabbitear, I'm commenting about a project manager tool for small community projects :D14:34
javispedroStskeeps: maemo clutter14:34
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rabbitearVDVsx: how would you know?14:35
Stskeepsjavispedro: they did RGBA in the past14:35
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rabbitearwell this community got some fixing to do14:36
rabbitearthings like VDVsx14:36
rabbitearsaying what he mean14:36
VDVsxStskeeps, probably the leaders will be more like moderators, since the projects should be organized by the team working on them14:36
javispedroStskeeps: ah, well.14:37
RST38hmoo javispedro14:37
StskeepsVDVsx: :nod: like removing trash projects etc14:37
VDVsxStskeeps, exactly14:37
javispedromorning RST14:37
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VDVsxRST38h, morning :)14:38
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* RST38h moos at VDVsx evilly14:38
rabbitearsee you laters14:38
StskeepsVDVsx: and the usual user management stuff, if someone just jumps at any project they see fit but never contributes14:38
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VDVsxStskeeps, are you familiar with basecamp ? (proprietary but damn simple)14:39
rabbitearthats a true rule14:39
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StskeepsVDVsx: yeah i am14:40
StskeepsVDVsx: a community is sometimes inverted though, a lot of unknowns / people without specific job descriptions14:40
Stskeepsbut with abilities that could fit possible roles14:40
rabbitearand like 10 percent actually fit the roles in real life14:41
rabbitearanywayz, its also important to state who you is...14:41
rabbitearwhich I'm just a damn drunk C programmer14:41
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VDVsxStskeeps, true, probably there's no tools for that :p14:42
rabbitearthere's an iphone app for that VDVsx14:43
StskeepsVDVsx: think we'll start implementing like it for Mer at least.. and see how it goes14:43
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rabbitearhappy holidays VDVsx14:45
VDVsxrabbitear, thanks, same for you:)14:45
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rangewazd: See /query14:47
VDVsxStskeeps, Stskeeps, free basecamp alternative: I'm out of the project atm, but jrocha can help if you see any potential in the tool :)14:48
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VDVsxdouble tab :D14:48
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X-Fade /deop VDVsx ;)14:48
smaugDoes anyone happen to know bug # for the email client slowness?14:48
* smaug is too lazy to search14:49
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wazdrange: what? :)14:49
StskeepsVDVsx: lookin'14:49
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rangewazd: I queried you with an URL to the screenshots.14:50
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rabbiteardon't be so hard VDVsx14:50
rangewazd: - if you don't see the query.14:50
rangeTell me when you have them.14:51
rabbitearscaring us, asking for help14:51
wazdrange: yeah, I have a very strange IRC client, better mail or something :)14:51
VDVsxrabbitear, what is your problem ? :D14:51
rangewazd: Ummm. Tell me where :)14:51
VDVsxrabbitear, what I did to you ?14:51
wazdrange: thx for the link, downloading14:51
rabbitearI'm just messing with you VDVsx14:51
rangewazd: Moment.14:51
rangeI just accidentally removed them :(14:51
rangewazd: try again.14:52
VDVsxrabbitear, please choose another victim :)14:52
rangeI hate screen in screen.14:52
rabbiteareverybody needs a weirdo to keep them going14:52
StskeepsVDVsx: looks good, but would probably have to be extended to be suitable for a large community14:52
VDVsxStskeeps, it's open source, django(python)14:53
rabbitearlast thing I worked on was vimfs14:54
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rabbitearyou don't have the voice to say this is mine VDVsx14:54
wazdrange: thanks a lot, looks very nice, some bugs are there though :)14:55
rabbitearmy opinion and I go away now..14:55
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GeneralAntillesJaffa, h-d bug/enhancement.14:56
wazdrange: what do you think bout black text inputs btw?14:56
* GeneralAntilles despairs for some sunlight in Florida.14:57
rangewazd: I have no problem with those, when they fit into the theme.14:57
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* rabbitear pukes up a storm14:58
JaffaGeneralAntilles: Indeed14:58
JaffaGeneralAntilles: It's a bug cos any application with a long label will suffer the same problem14:58
* Stskeeps faceplams over the 'exploit' thread14:58
JaffaThis is why, no matter how whizzy an interface you can build with Clutter, trying to recreate your own widget set is bound to fail14:58
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, that thread is awesome.14:58
rabbitearI don't think the iphone is that cool14:59
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rabbitearmy mom has one15:00
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rabbitearand as usual, I think you froget the focus15:01
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rabbitearits about yourself15:01
javispedroexploit! ohnoes!15:01
javispedrothe world is going to end!15:01
rabbitearnot what other poeple do.15:01
javispedroI propose ROT13 encryption.15:01
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zashjavispedro: no, thats to weak, use double rot1315:01
zashit's inpenetrable15:02
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rabbitearallow rabbitear to remind you what for yourself means15:02
rabbitearyou do things for yourself... you do work for yourself15:03
rabbitearfor what you like.15:03
javispedro... and this proves why "bug confirmed by popular vote" threshold is too low right now15:03
wazdrabbitear: it's ok, you can breath out now15:03
andre__javispedro, hehehe15:03
javispedrojust appearing on tmo is enough to get the vote count high enough15:03
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, pish, ROT26 for twice the encryption powa!15:03
andre__javispedro, feel free to file a ticket pushing it up15:03
GeneralAntillesDamn you, zash!15:03
lcukjaffa every framework starts somewhere15:03
lcukif you used that attitude, gtk or qt wouldnt exist either15:04
zashGeneralAntilles: ROT13(ROT13(data)) is clearly better than ROT26(data)!15:04
lcukits not bound to fail, it just takes longer than you expect15:04
GeneralAntilleszash, clearly.15:04
Corsachmhm, does one know if it's possible to have multiple “synchronized” calendars?15:04
Jaffalcuk: yes, obviously there are exceptions15:04
rabbitearas long as I have to read.................15:04
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rabbitearisn't that funny you wouldn't have to read, if you did it15:04
GeneralAntillesjavispedro/andre__, actually, I agree. I think we have the usebase that 5 makes more sense. . . .15:04
* GeneralAntilles will let andre__ change all of the products if we decide to switch. ;)15:05
andre__i'm fine with that.15:05
fralswow, that exploit-thread is pretty awesome15:05
rangeAlthough I think of that as a bug.15:05
lcukfrals, link15:06
* GeneralAntilles feels like Thanking! mass hysteria posts in that thread to drum up more insanity.15:06
GeneralAntillesWe should just use Nokia Messaging to change everybody's IM and email passwords to "rootme"15:06
javispedro... or posting more luc picard images15:06
rabbitearI can't take the promise in here, I'm going back to the undernet...15:07
rabbitearwere life is more relaxed15:07
niekt0hmm, MC si quite strange when using "shell link" to copy files to n90015:07
rangerabbitear: You might want to come back sober.15:07
niekt0realy slow15:07
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: top categories15:09
Stskeeps"N900 VS IPHONE"15:09
rangeGeneralAntilles: I like the one about CTRL-SHIFT-O activating the accelerometer.15:09
javispedrofirst one uploading a patch to the bugreport implementing vigenere with key "pebkac" gets free tmo karma!15:09
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Untouchab1eSo i have scratchbox and the SDK set up in ubuntu.. and I created a simple HelloWorld app in QtCreator.. I copy the app to scratchbox and try to run the app and it runs fine, but it doesnt use the native Maemo UI15:11
Untouchab1ewhat do I have to do to achieve this?15:11
alteregoUntouchab1e: the native maemo ui is Gtk currently15:12
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Untouchab1eI can use Qt though, or?15:12
alteregoWell, you are using Qt15:13
cosmoalterego: the Qt widgets are "hildonized"15:13
Untouchab1eRight.. but what do I have to do?15:13
alteregoI forgot what they're doing.15:13
javispedroUntouchab1e: do you use "" ?15:13
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DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: [2010-01-18 14:10:02] <PaulFertser> Hey guys. Might come useful for channel ops: /trigger -pubctcps -debug -regexp '^VERSION' -command '/mode $C +R; /wait 60000; /mode $C -R'15:13
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Untouchab1ejavispedro: when? I just copy it and do ./helloworld15:13
cosmoUntouchab1e: they _should_ look native by default15:13
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javispedroUntouchab1e: " ./helloworld"15:14
alteregoOh yeah, run the wrapper script :P15:14
javispedroshould look a bit better15:14
fralslcuk: hows helsinki? :)15:14
DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: seems to work on #openmoko and *-cdevel15:14
Untouchab1ejavispedro: thanks, that worked nicely15:14
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alteregoUntouchab1e: also, maemo integration is handled through DuiApplication and some other classes I believe.15:15
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: that kinda looks like being able to exploit that with just sending a ctcp version to channel15:15
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Untouchab1eI will figure out how to fix that when I deploy the app once I get that far.. I havent given much effort into figuring out how to deploy apps in maemo yet.. thought I would finish developing it first15:15
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: actually you can15:15
Untouchab1ebut QtCreator should cover my need for app development, right?15:16
DocScrutinizerstill better than keeping the chan +R all the time15:16
javispedroUntouchab1e: I guess so for most use cases.15:16
alteregoUntouchab1e: for plain Qt applications, yeah, I think the Dui maemo stuff has some maemo specific things.15:16
Untouchab1ealterego: I think I should be covered for now then15:16
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: also it doesn't help against bots that are in channel15:16
javispedrobtw what does pr1.1 come with? qt4.5 or .6?15:16
GAN900DocScrutinizer, +r15:16
Untouchab1emy app ideas are simple but useful15:16
SpeedEvilMy app ideas are complex, and useful and unimplemented.15:17
X-Fade+r is evil.15:17
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: yes. but the current attack is with random bots joining15:17
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GAN900X-Fade, until the botspam stops. . . .15:17
rabbitearI mess up evil druing the day15:17
X-FadeGAN900: yeah, but that makes it hard for people to join.15:17
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X-FadeAnd I think that is even worse than the spam.15:18
Stskeepsactive ops are more relevant though15:18
rabbitearnobody cares15:18
GAN900X-Fade, the spam killed the whole damn channel.15:18
X-FadeGAN900: hehe, yeah ok that is bad ;)15:18
Untouchab1eIs app deployment as difficult as getting started with it? for Android I just had to upload my .apk to Google and they handled the rest15:18
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: the spam makes lots of clients being kicked for flooding while answering the ctcp requests15:18
ruskie <-- have fun ;)15:18
lcukfrals, lovely15:18
rabbitearmind don't care if your good, or evil, just likes to mess you up15:18
fralslcuk: :)15:19
* frals goes back to listening to concurrent programming lecture15:19
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lcukfrals, cant you listen to it whilst doing other things15:19
fralsi can, but my experience tells me one thing or the other tends to get more focus, and more often than not the "listen to lecture" part suffers :P15:20
* lcuk listens to lecture on "listening to serialized lectures about concurrent programming"15:21
Stskeepsfrals: record it on n900 and play angry birds!15:21
fralslcuk: ;D15:21
X-Fadelcuk: Stay away from the doors, please ;)15:21
rabbitearI write crap on paper and watch these fools with samsungs try to take notes on the phone15:22
lcukX-Fade, i bloody well did!15:22
rabbitearI'm like studying two things at once15:22
X-Fadelcuk: Hands on your back all the time :)15:22
rabbitearI'm missing 5 hours of class tomorrow15:23
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rabbitearand in the first one there is some hot chics15:23
fralsbest instructions "google amdahl's law, i wont explain it"15:23
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rabbitearwhy am I using a computer and not the n900?15:25
rabbitearbecause its out of batteries, ya thats it15:25
* Jaffa is glad he's read to the end of the "Expoit!" thread15:26
|Rhehe, what a waste of time15:27
* SpeedEvil wonders if microb suffers from the same issue as FF15:27
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JaffaNah, so much fun trolling. It's much more enjoyable than "bah, you're all mailing list-using, IRC-spodding maniacs intent on maintaing your cabal" threads.15:27
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Shrik3"maling list-using" just went to the top of my favourite insults =)15:28
rabbitearyour lives would be seriously boring with out major trolls15:29
rabbitearso stop hating15:29
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SpeedEvilhmm it does.15:30
rabbitearI'm old15:30
povbot`Bug 505037: was not found.15:30
SpeedEvilfor those that care.15:30
SpeedEvilWhich is probably none of you.15:30
* SpeedEvil confuses bots!15:30
SpeedEvilNot a serious bug - failing listing dirs with some chars in15:31
rabbitear<--- troll and a bot at the same time15:31
Shrik3Still waiting for the damn diablo repos to get up&running15:32
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StskeepsShrik3: worksforme15:32
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rabbitearre hrw15:34
rabbitearlike you chat before15:34
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GeneralAntillesJaffa, the truth is never very much fun to read, is it? *eg*15:34
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Stskeepsrabbitear: didn't you say you were leaving before?15:34
wazdRST38h: haha15:35
rabbitearGeneralAntilles: you wanna bet?15:35
wazdRST38h: I think it's possible to make image background in conversations btw :)15:35
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* hrw prepares for creating maemo5/system-upgrades repository15:35
wazdRST38h: thru CSS hack15:35
rabbitearI plan to say what I said yesterday15:35
Shrik3Stskeeps: I need the certified catalogue=/15:35
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xorAxAxJaffa: anethema?15:36
StskeepsShrik3: hmm15:36
X-FadeShrik3: Working on that.15:36
Shrik3that one, which is still akamai'd15:36
rabbitearwhich is I'm not gonna thank you for nothing about you people making holes in the walls15:36
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Shrik3waiting for it =)15:36
rabbitearyou need to stop that15:36
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Shrik3Just got my N810 on friday and I need exactly one package from the certified dist =)15:36
StskeepsShrik3: agps-ui? :P15:36
rabbitearyou have no kinda for-thought of what is gonna happen15:37
Shrik3the primary reason I bought the damn thing =)15:37
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rabbitearyou just complaints about what you know15:37
Shrik3the cheapest way of getting gps + topographic maps of finland = N81015:37
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rabbitearobviously it is not that much15:38
* rabbitear opens up the window15:39
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rabbitearif there is one thrreat that you have during your mean peroid15:40
rabbitearin really is probably me friend.15:40
rabbiteargood luck .15:40
rabbitearbeing mean15:40
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* aquatix wonders whether he can make a backup dump of his n81015:41
aquatixso i can try whether a reflash fixes some issues I have, and if not, restore the backup15:42
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DocScrutinizerhmmm, failure on medication?15:45
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DocScrutinizerso maybe a good idea to visit you medical doctor15:46
rabbitearDocScrutinizer: are you a doctor yourself?15:47
DocScrutinizerno, I'm a doc scrutinizer15:47
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rabbitearDocScrutinizer: do you know this is an open conference?15:48
rabbitearwhy do feel like giving me some advice about doctors?15:48
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rabbitearDocScrutinizer: is it mean that is gonna have to be the judge of your acting?15:49
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rabbitearDocScrutinizer: do you know things in your life, or you just saying things to about people?15:50
rabbitearDocScrutinizer: recall what you mean15:50
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rabbitearhey DocScrutinizer your a dork15:53
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* Stskeeps adds another person to his ignore list and sighs15:54
smpsrabbitear, what are you studying ?15:55
rabbitearccna stuff15:55
rabbitearits lame15:55
smpsrabbitear, just cisco stuff or ?15:55
rabbitearwell we have to do student things like communicates too smps15:56
bigbrovardoes any one else experience audio stuttering when listen to music and doing other activities esp connecting to wireless network/ or installing an application. This happens to me everytime and has gotten worse since upgrading to PR1.115:56
rabbitearenglishes and maths15:56
rabbitearbut done with that...15:56
rangebigbrovar: Only when the notifier throws out a notification when I got an SMS or a mail in my Inbox.15:56
rabbitearnobody is ever done15:57
rabbitearbut done with them15:57
JaffaxorAxAx: i.e. in German you'll never get a short label :)15:57
JaffaStskeeps: Oh?15:57
rabbitearthank god15:57
rangeI'm not seeing it during updates, really.15:57
smpsrabbitear, good for you15:57
rabbitearthx smps15:57
rabbitearI'm pretty poor smps15:58
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smpsrabbitear, go work something15:58
rabbitearanchorage, alaska15:58
smpsrabbitear, get yourself a job15:58
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rabbitearI'll be cool15:58
rabbitearsmps: I do this15:59
smpswhat ?15:59
smpsyou do any drugs ?15:59
bigbrovarrange: I get it everytime am connecting to a wifi network or installing an application using the app man or sometimes.. its becoming really unbearable :(15:59
rabbitearI have mind of lust for everybody else16:00
rabbitearI kid16:00
smpsbigbrovar, are you listening to online radio / stream ?16:00
X-FadeJaffa, Stskeeps: There seems to be a new devkit in the works. We might have chance to see it in PR1.2 timeframe even.16:00
rabbitearwell we do whatever16:00
rangebigbrovar: Hmmm.16:00
bigbrovarsmps: music stored on the 32gb harddrive16:00
rabbitearI'm kinda weird smps16:01
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rabbitearwe don't like you16:01
rabbitearif you have cash.16:01
smpsrabbitear, stop smoking16:01
rabbitearI should16:01
rangeDo tell. Can you be weird somewhere else? Far away from here?16:01
rabbitearI have to before.16:01
smpsbigbrovar, can you check if any process hogs your cpu ?16:01
StskeepsX-Fade: scary, but i guess there's some people who still knows how SB1 works inside nokia16:01
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smpsbigbrovar, with conky or top in xterm ?16:01
rabbitearI love all smps16:02
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bigbrovarrange: I can always reproduce it.. happens everytime, with the media player and even panucci the audiobook-podcast player ( which is actually worse)16:02
X-FadeStskeeps: Hehe ;)16:02
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Stskeepsmorning andrew16:02
rabbitearbrb... back onto where people need me16:02
SpeedEvilThe compression options on jffs have changed - which may impact CPU usage when writing files to /16:02
bigbrovarsmps: ok I will do that16:02
SpeedEvilin pr1.1 that is16:03
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: changed? when? pr1.116:03
SpeedEvilor maybe 1.0116:03
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JaffaX-Fade: Cool stuff16:04
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hrwX-Fade: so few packages will get upgrades in sbox?16:04
rmrfchikafter connecting to desktop by usbnet, all cards unmounts16:04
rmrfchikhave to remount manually.. annoying16:04
X-Fadehrw: I am only the messenger ;)16:05
hrwX-Fade: mkey16:05
X-Fadehrw: But devkits change all the time.16:05
Stskeepshrw: first ogg support now updates to devkit, hell must be freezing over16:05
hrwX-Fade: the bigger fuckup is that sbox devkits are not upgradable16:05
Stskeepshrw: they're not? they're just debian packages16:05
javispedroRST38h: new vu's eye in -devel16:06
hrwStskeeps: 'ogg support' in harmattan. this can sound like 'in 2020 when no one will ever use ogg etc'16:06
hrwmaemo@maemo-desktop:/scratchbox/users/maemo/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL/lib$ dpkg -S /scratchbox/users/maemo/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL/lib/
hrwdpkg: /scratchbox/users/maemo/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL/lib/ not found.16:07
RST38hjavispedro: =)16:07
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Stskeepshrw: that's part of the target and not devkit though16:07
Stskeepsas in, rootstrap16:07
Stskeepsthey are overriden with sb dpkg16:07
hrwdpkg: /scratchbox/users/maemo/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL not found.16:07
RST38hhrw: I agree on the system updates repo16:08
Stskeepshrw: dpkg -S would be more fair16:08
RST38hhrw: Should have done this long time ago, too16:08
AndrewFBlackStskeeps, any changes to theme template?16:08
StskeepsAndrewFBlack: yes, optification and hilight fight16:08
AndrewFBlackStskeeps, nice highlight was last bug I had16:09
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X-Fadedevkits get release separately from sdk.16:09
hrwStskeeps: ok, my sbox VM (which is official maemo5 vm) has scratchbox-devkit-debian and scratchbox-devkit-maemo3 installed16:09
X-FadeSo new versions show up there first.16:09
TTilusafter latest system upgrade my ui effects have been really jerky and jumpy16:09
Stskeepshrw: anyway, back to blog post, if you need to make your own SSU you need to make it trusted by HAM (there's a command for that)16:09
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hrwmaemo3... was it chinook or previous one?16:09
TTilusreboot did not help16:09
javispedro$ dpkg -S /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/bin/dh_make16:09
javispedroscratchbox-devkit-debian: /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/bin/dh_make16:09
StskeepsTTilus: probably rescanning your media16:09
TTilusStskeeps: top shows nothing16:10
hrwStskeeps: ssu? trusted? I just plan to make it available for people. so far installing modest worked with dpkg for me16:10
TTilusand this has been going on for days now16:10
bigbrovarsmps: top showed 65% of cpu was in use and major culprit was pulse-audio, so I closed panucci audio player which was running in the background all this while and the cpu dropped to considerably, and the stuttering of the media player stopped whem am playing music. however I still get stuttering if am installing an app from the application manager16:10
Stskeepshrw: fair enough16:10
hrw sounds nice16:11
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smpsbigbrovar, check your ram and swap usage16:11
javispedrohrw: those devkits only contain parts of debhelper16:11
smpsbigbrovar, reboot your n900 and try only with media player without panucci16:11
SpeedEvilbigbrovar: top can be misleading. audio playing may be for example running at 50% of CPU - but at 250MHz16:11
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* DocScrutinizer suggests making load applet a mandatory bit od default install16:12
RST38hNot until it is fixed16:12
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DocScrutinizerfixed? wrt cpu clock to take into account?16:13
javispedroI do not run the load applet -- it is like the cpu temp sensors16:13
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bigbrovarsmps: closing panucci seems to stop the media stutter when I connect to a network. but I still get the stutter when installing applications right now am restarting the device to see if same thing would happen16:13
AndrewFBlackStskeeps, I did noticed that on last build I did media player icons and colors didn´t match the template I put in there.16:13
Arkenoii guess there is no way to send class 0 sms from n900?16:14
StskeepsAndrewFBlack: hmm, don't know16:14
rabbitearArkenoi: nobody cares16:14
StskeepsAndrewFBlack: it will automatically dither i think16:14
rabbitearArkenoi: you are actually gonna have to talk to your ISP for that16:15
SpeedEviljavispedro: It can be useful.16:15
rabbitearArkenoi: you'll be okay16:15
StskeepsAndrewFBlack: either way, wazd succeeded in making a proper theme with newest template16:15
AndrewFBlackStskeeps, ok testing it now16:16
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StskeepsAndrewFBlack: but we need to figure out what to do about let's say bugtracker in debian/control and icon  for the package16:16
Stskeepsif we can make that simpler16:16
AndrewFBlackis that stuff we can add to script to put in16:16
X-FadeStskeeps: Imagemagick cut a part out of the template and resize? :)16:16
StskeepsX-Fade: maybe16:17
Arkenoirabbitear, why ISP?16:17
DocScrutinizermaybe a basic signal for loads >3% should be integrated into bat applet16:18
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rabbitearArkenoi: no reason its just a saying16:19
rabbitearArkenoi: they don't know what they are talking about16:19
rabbitearso its like when I'm drunk I yell at the bar, INSTALL LINUX16:19
rabbiteareven if I'm getting arrested and beat up, I'm still saying INSTALL LINUX16:20
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rabbitearI have love16:20
rangeIsn't there some op in here to stop that inane babbling?16:21
jebbaX-Fade: can you set up an rsync server on the repositories so others can easily and properly mirror them?16:21
rabbitearyou mean a cop range ?16:21
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hrwDocScrutinizer: I prefer cpumem-applet16:22
rabbitearI use it in school.16:22
X-Fadejebba: Not at the moment. There are lots of things to consider when doing that, it isn't easy.16:22
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rabbitearI use in at parties16:23
rabbitearI use it when we are eating16:23
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rabbitearI use it in interviews16:23
DocScrutinizerhrw: me too16:23
Caesiumit's not often I exercise my ignore list :/16:23
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rabbitearI use it to put crap in ppls mind that don't know16:24
jebbaX-Fade: what needs to be considered?16:24
X-Faderabbitear: Please, try to keep the chatter a minimum.16:24
rabbiteark X-Fade16:25
javispedrojebba: i still believe that we need signed repos first. Also, now we have a whole set of people that have your repo in sources.list for no reason; any future mirror needs to keep "" url.16:25
rabbitearinstall linux16:25
X-Fadejebba: Updating from a different repo won't work16:25
javispedroand ensure that dns uptime is "good enough", of course.16:25
X-Fadejebba: It will complain about all kinds of things.16:25
jebbaX-Fade: well, they dont have to be official parts of the infrastructure, just make it easy for people to grab.16:26
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rabbitearI'm management16:27
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rabbitearI'm gonna say what to do16:27
rabbiteareven if I have zip ties on my hands16:27
jebbajavispedro: what do you mean by "keep the" URL. You mean use that hostname?16:27
X-Fadejebba: But the problem we had was a problem on top of a problem.16:27
rabbitearI'm yelling, install linux!16:28
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javispedrojebba: keep the same repository url, by doing balancing at dns level -- like debian.16:28
jebbajavispedro: ya, that's one way, but that would have failed this weekend, for example (since no DNS!)16:28
X-Fadejavispedro: It does that with Akamai.16:28
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jebbait does that with espejo too  heh (but cheap version)16:29
rabbitearmake people happy16:29
javispedrothe alternative, just giving extra repo urls to users, is awful IMHO16:29
StskeepsX-Fade: the problem was the repository.* DNS messing up and hence akamai didn't work along with stage.* going down?16:29
jebbajavispedro: how would you have done it? What you suggested above would have meant everyone was broken all weekend.16:30
X-FadeStskeeps: No, we pointed to the wrong origin. So we ended up serving every requests ourselves.16:30
StskeepsX-Fade: ah.16:30
X-FadeStskeeps: Which worked fine, but then there was the SAN issue.16:30
javispedrojebba: well I had to fsck off for the entire weekend since I want to reflash and tablets-dev was down, so  you're asking the wrong persons >:)16:30
StskeepsX-Fade: sounds like a bad weekend indeed16:30
bigbrovarsmps: rebooting seems to fix the stuttering problems.. really weird :/16:31
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jebbajavispedro: so since you weren't around you can't answer? That makes no sense. You didnt have to actually be here.16:31
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javispedrojebba: I mean that I would have told people to wait.16:31
smpsbigbrovar, it can be that panucci app has some sort of mem leak , an kernel keeps swaping most of the time16:31
jebbajavispedro: lame16:31
javispedrojebba: this is not something that is expected to happen many times a year16:31
smpsbigbrovar, which results in "stuttering" or bigger i/o's16:31
jebbait's been true every day i've had my n900 (some sort of outage)16:32
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javispedrojebba: I know the irony of the situation, but still.16:32
Caesiumjavispedro: that makes it ok to have no redundancy? :)16:32
jebbait should happen *zero* times....16:32
rabbitearif I was ever in a postion to flight you people, you'd be laughing your ass off16:32
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jebbawhat's the irony?16:32
rabbitearI mean what I say.16:32
javispedrothat the entire "not cheap" akamai load balancing "that is supposedly better than what you have in espejo" was unusable for whatever reason16:32
bigbrovarsmps: could very well me, I might have to test it to be sure and try to file a bug against the app. It its been running pulsed since like 5 hours now so it must have eat up so much mem.. thanks very much for the help btw16:33
smpsbigbrovar, no prob16:33
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X-Fadejavispedro: Yes, because it wasn't used. Which was problem 1 ;)16:34
rabbitearlets order some nochas16:35
jebbawe should have mirrors with UK Mirror service, ibiblio, etc.  Then people can at least get the files.  They will mirror *for free*. Just set up a rsync server for them to hit.16:35
El_Angelowere temporarily down?16:36
El_Angelo"were" ?16:36
El_Angeloit's solved?16:36
Stskeepsjebba: this is only trivial for extras{-devel,-testing} though16:36
smpsEl_Angelo, yes16:36
jebbaEl_Angelo: permanently down, temporarily up is more like it.16:36
lcukX-Fade, arms firmly in pockets during entry today16:36
X-Fadelcuk: Good!16:37
jebbaStskeeps: and sdk, tools, etc. Ya, just the repo i'm talking about.16:37
lcukits leaving that will give me problems :D16:37
Stskeepsjebba: for the 'free' part, yes16:37
DocScrutinizeryea tha annoying policy16:38
Stskeepswhich you illustrated yourself isn't enough :P16:38
rangejebba: But then you need a means to a) either have several ip addresses in DNS for a round-robin type of service or b) a possibility to give out a mirrorlist of some sort.16:39
jebbaStskeeps: it isnt ideal, since there is so much key non-free software needed in maemo. But it surely is a plus, as we can see by how many people used the quickly slapped together mirrors16:39
rangeOr tell people to change the catalogue settings, which isn't ideal either ...16:39
DocScrutinizerrange: for b) see topic16:39
jebbarange: ya, have a page listing mirrors.16:39
jebbalike 100s of other distros .16:39
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X-FadeWell, that will end in maemo6 anyway.16:40
Stskeepsjebba: the third issue is that i (think) extras repo is enabled in pr1.116:40
rangeDocScrutinizer: Yeah, that doesn't work.16:40
rabbitearjebba: you love the books don't you16:40
X-FadeAs installing from another source will have all kinds of different meanings.16:40
DocScrutinizersure, I know16:40
RST38hThe co-founder of MySQL is hoping to convince Chinese and Russian regulators to halt Oracles planned buyout of Sun Microsystems, after grumbling that European watchdogs looked set to clear the takeover.16:40
jebbaStskeeps: yes, it is enabled in pr1.1. But that doesn't mean people can't se mirrors.16:40
rabbitearyou have whole books of dns servers...16:41
rabbitearI wanna read those16:42
javispedrojebba: it still means that now you have a shitload of people that have both repos enabled16:42
RST38hAnyone knows if Messaging plugins v.2.6.4 are ok to install?16:42
* rabbitear throws up in the corner16:42
javispedronot to mention the issues this can cause with h-a-m's "trusted-domains" concept16:43
Stskeepsrabbitear: will you please be constructive or leave?16:43
Stskeepsjavispedro: domains are on GPG key16:43
rabbitearI'll come back when there are smart people here16:43
javispedroStskeeps: ah, so they all go into the "unsigned" bah16:43
Stskeepsjavispedro: nah, if you copy gpg files too, it doesn't become unsigned16:44
Stskeepsjust a diff host16:44
X-Fadejavispedro: And then they are not available for update.16:44
jebbajavispedro: ok, i guess we'll just sit around and use crap then, eh?16:44
rabbitearyour not a workable person jebba16:45
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: /ignore failed? :-)16:45
javispedrojebba: it just means that you may actually be causing a lot of trouble to novice users for just a weekend of repos16:45
javispedroit shouldn't be taken lightly16:46
rangeDocScrutinizer: I fail to see why > 500 people should ignore one loonie, when a ban will remove that one?16:46
DocScrutinizerrange: k16:46
RST38hWell, there is always an alternative method of removing loonies16:46
DocScrutinizerIm not oped here ;-)16:46
RST38hrabbitear: So, what are you wearing, kiddo?16:47
rabbitearDocScrutinizer: relax16:47
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kamui*yawn* sauce16:47
rangeRST38h: Yeah, but that is forbidden in most countries.16:47
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Stskeepsjebba: we can all agree that this messup and when akamai is acting up is bad. but it is comparable to DNS fuckups at and vanishing mirrors/misbehaving mirrors. the situation is complex cos 1) SDK is placed on r.m.o 2) nokia-binaries is placed on r.m.o 3) in case of other mirrors they need to be professional or get pulled out of the pool. unsynchronized repos are a -nightmare- in both scenarios16:47
tybollthaze/msn users?16:47
rabbitearRST38h: some jeans, a back coller...16:47
RST38hrange: Only if it is used for sexual gratification16:47
rabbitearand a hoodie16:47
Stskeepsand hence akamai was used as they promise a SLA and we have a phone number for someone to call 24/7 there16:47
rabbitearno no no RST38h16:48
RST38hrabbitear: Feeling lonely today, ain't you?16:48
rabbitearRST38h: I ain't16:48
RST38hrabbitear: Wanna talk about it though?16:48
rabbitearRST38h: you doing the wrong mind set16:48
jebbaStskeeps: apparently the problem *wasnt* akamai, from what GAN said. Also, at least one problem was clearly something at nokia, since DNS was hosed too.16:48
DocScrutinizerrange: If you like to suggest to GeneralAntilles to remove that burden from our ignorelists, I'll sure support that16:48
rabbitearyeah thats cool RST38h16:48
Stskeepsjebba: right, akamai has had issues in the past. in this case, it was a DNS screwup, which happens to the best of us.16:48
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jebbaStskeeps: no it doesn't. Not for that long.16:49
tybolltheh ye16:49
RST38hrabbitear: Soooo, let us start with that raBBIT, SHOULD WE16:49
hrwX-Fade: can someone update git frontend on to give urls for cloning?16:49
smpsis no one working @nokia over weekend ?16:49
jebbadns screwups are for minutes, not days.16:49
RST38hrabbitear: How come you took this nick? Got something about those rabbits?16:49
rabbitearyou can't parse me RST38h16:49 is back, right?16:49
smpsptl, yes16:49
tybolltjebba: given the right amount of propagated TTL it can >:)16:49
Stskeepsjebba: either way, this problem wouldn't have been avoided we had being a pool of mirrors16:49
ptlbut I can't watch flash yet, what package should I install?16:49
RST38hParsing you will not be necessary16:49
rabbitearIm happy your here tho RST38h16:49
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RST38hrabbitear: Yea but let us talk rabbits16:50
ptlI tried apt-cache search flash and there's only kmplayer16:50
jebbaStskeeps: which isn't what i was suggesting.16:50
jebbathat's what javispedro was suggesting.16:50
ptlI can get to youtube but it says I don't have java installed16:50
rabbitearRST38h: I don't mean that much16:50
tybolltRST38h: What kind of rabbit? The pink vibrating kind? :P16:50
RST38hrabbitear: Please do not be shy, talk about rabbits. All of us are waiting!16:50
jebbaactually, all i'm suggesting is a fkn rsync daemon so people can grab it easily at least.16:50
RST38htybollt: I hope we will find out in a moment16:50
ptlplease help this poor soul!16:50
smpsptl, what does java have to do with flash ?16:50
rabbitearRST38h: good morning16:51
Stskeepsjebba: then there's the issue of doing which i may agree with. but there's the problem of trusting mirror maintainers to provide service constantly which isn't a trivial process :/16:51
ptlsmps: java? did ? say java? I'm kinda sleepy16:51
ptlI said java16:51
smpsptl, yeah you did16:51
ptlI AM sleepy16:51
ptlI am nuts16:51
ptlI mean flash!16:51
RST38hrabbitear: You already greeted me. Please, keep on rabbits.16:51
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tybolltRST38h: :D16:51
X-FadeStskeeps: And trust them to not change anything.16:51
rabbitearRST38h: well my mom is looking on here too16:51
smpsptl, you should have flash preinstalled with phone16:51
RST38hrabbitear: So, rabbit ears...What do you do with rabbit ears?16:51
rabbitearRST38h: she'll be cool16:51
ptlI've been awake for what must be about 60 hours now16:51
matthew-are repos up again?16:51
ptlsmps: it's maemo scratchbox16:52
RST38hAha, very good16:52
rabbitearRST38h: she's into math16:52
rabbitearRST38h: a weirdo16:52
ptlhad to install nokia-apps and nokia-bin16:52
ptlbut still no flash16:52
matthew-DocScrutinizer: they are?16:52
RST38hrabbitear: Will she be willing to talk about rabbits?16:52
smpsptl, go in browser and open "about:plugins"16:52
DocScrutinizermatthew-: supposed to be up, yes16:52
ptlI googled all my way down the forums and FAQs16:52
smpsptl, and look if shockwave flash is there16:52
rabbitearRST38h: what do you think?16:52
ptlcouldn't find it16:52
ptlonly the default plugin16:53
RST38hrabbitear: I think you have been naughty, bugging people you do not know about problems they are not responsible for16:53
rabbitearyour suppose make a judgement RST38h16:53
jebbaStskeeps: lets just start with a freaking rsync server so people can get copies, since doing a full mirroring system isnt likely to happen.16:53
matthew-DocScrutinizer: did the url change?16:53
ptlthis 'osso' browser has an ugly name, 'osso' means 'bone' in portuguese16:53
RST38hrabbitear: But your mom does not need to know about that, right? We won't tell16:53
rabbitearyour not actually doing one RST38h16:53
jebbathat way at least other people have copies...16:53
jebbasince who knows if nokia/maemo have good backups! for that matter...16:53
DocScrutinizermatthew-: no idea. why should it?16:53
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RST38hRabbits, rabbitear, rabbits, KEEP ON THE RABBITS16:53
rabbitearRST38h: what do you mean my mom does not need to know about that?16:54
matthew-cause and extras aint workin16:54
Stskeepsjebba: make a sprint item / task and get it moving that way then16:54
tybolltI'd like to taste me a proper rabbit stew one day. Anyone had that16:54
RST38htybollt: Yea. Overrated.16:54
rabbitearRST38h: what kinda talk is that RST38h ?16:54
tybolltRST38h: ah ok...16:54
* DocScrutinizer wonders how to extent /ignore to regex :-(((16:54
matthew-DocScrutinizer: cause it doesnt work foe nearly a week for me now16:54
RST38htybollt: But makes a perfect dish to bring to US workplace16:54
jebbaStskeeps: i can make sprint items?  heh.16:54
ptlso, how do I install flash??16:54
rabbitearyou can relax RST38h16:55
tybolltRST38h: entirely politically incorrect - no?16:55
RST38htybollt: Half the office will throw up once they find out who is for lunch16:55
tybollt"poor bunneh!"16:55
alterego... "Tom Swindell Nokia N900 arriving tomorrow, I've not updated my facebook status in almost half a year in anticipation of this monumental moment. Woo ..." ...16:55
RST38htybollt: yea, more or less16:55
matthew-i mean extras and are not working...16:55
rabbitearRST38h: I'd hate that job16:55
Stskeepsjebba: yes, of course16:55
X-Fadematthew-: Then the problem must be at your end.16:56
rabbitearRST38h: your gonna need that help from females after awhile RST38h16:56
ptlplease, someone using maemo's scratchbox, do a dpkg -S on your, could ya?16:56
matthew-X-Fade: are they working for you?16:56
X-Fadematthew-: For all of us, yes.16:56
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rabbitearRST38h: I don't need no help from females16:56
javispedroptl: why do you think sbox comes with flash?16:56
rabbitearRST38h: what I do.16:56
rabbitear*hugs* RST38h16:57
matthew-ive got = could not resolve repository.maemo.org16:57
DocScrutinizermatthew-: check your catalog settings16:57
rabbitearrelax mr. man RST38h16:57
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ifreqwhats good music player instead of the default one?16:57
julianol1veri see that 51-1 is out. when i attempt to upgrade from 44-1 i am told i need to use the PC suite. how does a Linux user upgrade?16:57
rabbitearmplayer ifreq16:58
smpsptl, adobe-flashplayer16:58
tybolltjulianol1ver: OTA16:58
RST38hrabbitear: You really want to know what to do kiddo?16:58
ifreqrabbit. for mp3 :016:58
rabbitearRST38h: :)16:58
rabbitearno its too illegal don't worry about it16:58
matthew-X-Fade: yeah, got it16:58
hrwjulianol1ver: we just ignore what it says and upgrade16:58
ptljavispedro: doesn't it?16:58
matthew-but i wonder why16:58
rabbitearits not free software16:59
DocScrutinizerdamn. /ignore doesn't make it less annoying16:59
RST38hrabbitear: Ok, I am glad you guessed it right16:59
ptlsmps: hmm, apt-cache policy adobe-flashplayer16:59
RST38hAnd did what was right16:59
* RST38h grins evilly16:59
ptlsmps: which repository does it come from?16:59
julianol1verhrw: ahh.. so it is possible to use the Application Manager regardless?16:59
rabbitearRST38h: I'm a sick person16:59
matthew-doesnt work for me16:59
X-Fadematthew-: flush your dns cache?17:00
rabbitearRST38h: I been on shell accounts when I was a kid on irc17:00
matthew-it works in a browser17:00
javispedroptl: I believe not17:00
rabbitearRST38h: I'm not right in the mind17:00
julianol1vertybollt: i'm not familiar with that acronymn.17:00
RST38hHmm... I am afraid he has not exactly got it17:00
DocScrutinizermatthew-: check your catalog settings17:00
ptlok, thanks17:00
hrwjulianol1ver: yes17:01
* julianol1ver tries this17:01
rabbitearI know things that you people would actually puke and have the bad runs at17:01
tybolltjulianol1ver: OverTheAir.17:01
rabbiteartalking about even something as little as software is17:01
tybolltdo not try OTA julian17:01
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tybolltthe repo's seem to be down, that means it will fail for you :)17:01
rabbitearI was a kid before slashdot was a kid17:01
hrwjulianol1ver: you need ~45MB free on / it was said17:02
julianol1vertybollt: ahah. i will wait.17:02
Jaffajulianol1ver: And no packages which conflict.17:02
julianol1verhrw: Jaffa i don't believe any are in conflict. i will check with dpkg17:02
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AndrewFBlackare repos still running slow updating stuff?17:02
Jaffajulianol1ver: Failing that,
julianol1verdf -h tells me i have sufficient free space.17:02
rabbitearbut thats cool RST38h I like fighting with you17:02
julianol1verJaffa: yes, i am familiar with this page. cheers.17:03
javispedroAndrewFBlack: repos work fast and lean for me17:03
julianol1verjavispedro: same here, dialing from Berlin.17:03
rabbiteari noamlly only tell jokes anymore17:04
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jebbaStskeeps: ok, i'll make it a sprint item. I'll see how.17:04
Corsachnmhn Tasks can only be reached through calendar?17:04
matthew-ok had to flush dns again17:04
rabbitearsome of us actually figure out working isn't where its at all17:04
matthew-where can i find unzip now?17:04
matthew-as its not apt-get install unzip17:05
rabbiteardrink and be weird with your friends17:05
rabbitearand insert pain when you can17:05
rabbitearthings that mean something17:05
rabbitearinstall linux17:06
rabbitearI know I'm been light17:06
rabbitearbut its easy17:06
tigertmatthew-: apt-get update maybe to see if your stuff is uptodate after the dns snafu?17:06
RST38hNo he has not got it17:06
matthew-tigert: did it, thou i dont have devel added at all17:07
chem|stjebba: why didnt you include the non-free stuff on your mirrors? non-free just means that the sources are non-free but does not mean that its non-free to spread17:08
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timeless_mbpandre__: re 4053, thanks17:08
kamuihas anyone seen any bug reports about IM modules killing battery life?17:08
timeless_mbpkamui: IM=input methods?17:08
timeless_mbpor telepathy?17:08
kamuisince I switched to pidgin, my battery life has improved drastically17:08
rabbitearwell last time I got arrested, and they where putting me in the back, I was yelling install linux17:08
rabbitearand I will, you can stop me17:08
kamuilol timless, yea telepathy17:08
jebbachem|st: non-free to me is things i wont spread.17:08
chem|stjebba: so it is a sort of religion of yours?17:09
jebbathough i'm also not 100% certain i could or not17:09
javispedroactually, there might be reason not to mirror the non-free packages17:09
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kamuitimeless_mbp, literally, since I did the update to 1.01 and then 1.1, my battery life from 7-9am usually drops almost 20%17:09
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chem|stthe one you dont spread or arent allowed to are to pay for and thats not part of non-free17:10
kamuitimeless_mbp,  this morning however since I moved to pidgin and disabled those, 7-9, Im at 95%17:10
kamuithe bar hasn't even moved17:10
odin_this pymaemo-optify 0.4 package does is still setup a load of bind mounts?  (i.e. a big fat mess) ?17:10
timeless_mbpkamui: it wouldn't exactly shock me if some third party telepathy modules are battery killers17:11
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rabbiteartimeless_mbp: what would be a money maker too17:11
timeless_mbpkamui: are you only using first party modules?17:11
julianol1vertybollt: hrw is it safe to simply apt-get upgrade on the device? i see no meta package called 'maemo5' as per the app manager.17:11
chem|stkamui: timeless_mbp most of the modules come from a pidgin plugin so it might be telepathy itself17:11
lizardoodin_: yes, but don't use it , it is in extras-devel :)17:11
kamuitimeless_mbp, the only thing that blows is that It worked fine before the upgrade, though there have been some updates since17:11
matthew-unzip is not in extras devel ;p17:11
rabbiteartimeless_mbp: if you can do something that sucks up energy17:11
rabbitearlike visual basic.....17:12
tybollttimeless_mbp: From my entirely unscientific testing enabling MFE is .. well I should say, disabling MFE gives you a lot of battery back17:12
kamuitimeless_mbp,  I think first party only, the xmpp client and skype17:12
tybolltjulianol1ver: apt-get dist-upgrade17:12
tybolltjulianol1ver: yes that is safe17:12
julianol1vertybollt: oops, that's what i meant to say. good news.17:12
rabbitearwell I'll tell you people... I don't need any money17:13
rabbitearat all17:13
tybolltjulianol1ver: HOWEVER, as someone around here said... there's a bunch of extras in the app-manager which makes it a better choice than using plain apt-get17:13
rabbitearI'm as they say pretty good17:13
timeless_mbptybollt: i kinda need MfE17:13
rabbiteareven without asking17:13
tybollttimeless_mbp: me too, it is the reason why I have this devices (one of them)17:13
timeless_mbpso while it makes sense that MfE would hurt battery life, i don't really have a choice17:13
julianol1vertybollt: the app manager seems broken for the upgrade here. it insists i make a backup and then offers no path back to itself.17:14
rabbitearbut I'm from cambridge mass17:14
timeless_mbptybollt: fwiw, there was an internal demo of a task-manager17:14
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Corsacwhat exactly do you use MFE for? outlook calendar sync?17:14
tybollttimeless_mbp: cross my fingers and wish for 1.2, huh? :P17:14
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rabbitearI'm in my 30's and no the logo freaks17:15
rabbitearin real life17:15
timeless_mbptybollt: dunno, i'm actually on my way to talk to the MfE folks17:15
rabbitearhey I miss kendle square17:15
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rabbitearwe lifed alot of stuff from them17:16
rabbitear300 baud modems17:16
odin_In HAM the message in the Updating tab "Updating 'Foobar' requires 172 kB of device memory"  is that additional memory (i.e. the difference between the old and new, or is that the size of required total) ?17:16
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rabbitearcool terminals17:17
tybollttimeless_mbp: Well, then, kiitos! :)17:17
timeless_mbpi'll thank you for not speaking finnish to me ;-)17:17
rabbitearwe even stole taxi cabs17:17
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tybollttimeless_mbp: :D17:17
rabbitearthey would be stealing cop cars by now17:18
rabbitearthats why I'm here17:18
tybollttimeless_mbp: Anyway it is of course very hard to meassure these things...17:18
timeless_mbptybollt: actually17:19
timeless_mbpsomeone had a command they stuck in a bug showing a way to measure battery something17:19
timeless_mbpand there's a tool (hopefully in tools or extras) which does cpu state monitoring17:19
rabbitearI'm charging up my phone17:19
timeless_mbp-- don't ask me for names of things, i can't remember any of them17:19
tybolltbut things such as screen brightness17:19
tybollthow many times you flip the keyboard17:20
rabbitearhow many times17:20
timeless_mbpso, keyboard open/close is logged to syslog17:20
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tybollttimeless_mbp: heh so we can actually quantify this eh? :)17:20
julianol1ver you should be able to write a shell script that reads bits and pieces from the equiv of /proc/acpi on the device.17:20
hrwbrightness... I new device which needed in-kernel stuff to limit brightness when battery voltage dropped too much otherwise cpu started to be unstable17:21
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julianol1verwrites out a log of all the acpi events and uses bc to calculate the mean load.17:21
rabbitearthis guy has no lady friends17:21
rabbitearif he is so (seriously)17:21
tybolltwho put this spambot rabbitear in here?  :)17:21
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infobotjulianol1ver meant: writes out a log of all the acpi events and uses bc to calculate the mean drain.17:21
timeless_mbptybollt: oddly, i think so :o17:22
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rabbitearwe learn17:22
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X-Faderabbitear: I'm going to check if you are a spambot. To prevent banning from this channel you should not respond for 5 minutes.17:23
rabbiteardo it17:23
ShadikkaDun dun dun dun.17:23
ShadikkaWouldn't it just be easier to PM "him", or something? :P17:23
rabbitearI don't pm17:24
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X-FadeShadikka: I like public warnings etc ;)17:24
julianol1verhehe oops17:24
ShadikkaHeh :P17:24
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rabbitearstay in the goal17:25
rabbitearI do, but I take off17:25
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rabbitearwe're bad man....17:26
rabbitear*yeah right*17:26
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wazdRST38h: <- test! :D17:26
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tybolltwazd: scrshots?17:26
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rabbiteargo android17:27
Myrttirabbitear: *yawn*17:27
tybolltI call spambot on that asshole... :)17:28
ShadikkaA pretty boring one.17:28
X-Fadeop #maemo X-Fade17:29
X-Fadelol ;)17:29
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Hukkarabbitear: Quick, run!17:29
rabbitearin real life too17:30
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MyrttiHukka: funny that you said that. Some sense of irony in the world17:30
X-FadeThat helps ;)17:30
X-FadeAnd now returning is not possible for him.17:30
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X-FadeI usually don't get annoyed by people, but this one really had a problem.17:31
Creteilhi all, this is my first try of xchat under my precious :-)17:32
Arkenoicould anyone please remind me a link to the thread where a way to make ussd requests from command line was discussed?17:32
RST38hwazd: Optified?17:32
julianol1verX-Fade: looked pretty bot-like to me.17:32
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X-Fadejulianol1ver: It didn't make any sense at least.17:32
RST38hArkanoid: ?17:32
RST38hArkanoid: also
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threshin some bug also17:34
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wazdRST38h: yep17:36
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ifreqwhat was the cmd to refresh media library?17:39
ifreqor whats good alternative music player17:39
KenYoungAre the servers still messed up?17:40
CreteilLinux Nokia-N900-42-11 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Thu Dec 17 09:40:52 EET 2009 armv7l unknown17:41
CreteilDamn, this 'exec' command under xchat rewlz !!! :-)17:42
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Creteil 16:43:31 up 1 day, 2 min, load average: 0.20, 0.33, 0.5917:43
matthew-anyone can tell me where should i now put the maps i downloaded for ovi maps?17:44
matthew-is it /mydocs/cities17:44
javispedroload average: 120.01, 121.29, 121.4217:44
javispedrolovely isp17:44
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matthew-and should i put it in the catalogue that is already there or create a new one?17:45
Creteilok, under BitchX, '/wi' command was usefull, what is the equivalent under xchat ???17:45
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javispedroyou can use the ovi map loader too17:45
javispedroit worked for me.17:45
ArkenoiRST38h, what package do i need for pexpect?17:46
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Jaffafrals: ta17:46
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RST38hwazd: Sorry, really do not like these glossy buttons :(17:47
fralsyw (? :D)17:47
RST38hArkenoi: No idea, never installed it17:47
tybolltglossy buttons++17:47
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RST38hwazd:unchecked checkboxes are blue for some reason, not gray17:48
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alteregoDoes the N900 have rfcomm and hcitools?17:48
RST38hwazd: Actually, no, unchecked checkboxes are bright white, checked are blue, very confusing17:48
alteregoI'd really like rfcomm device nodes :(17:49
SpeedEvilhcitool and hciconfig - yes17:49
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SpeedEvilalso - it must be able to do rfcomm17:49
RST38hwazd: The desktop-edit gear is corrupted somehow, shown in a light vertical strip17:49
SpeedEvilas you can pair an external GPS17:49
alteregoSure, I'll just cross-compile and package rfcomm and see if I Can get it to work.17:50
SpeedEvilPerhaps the gear has been stripped by overloading. could this be an indication of disk full? :)17:50
RST38hwazd: The blue color in scroll bars (like volume) is too dark, almost the same as gray17:50
SpeedEvilalterego: I mean - there must be rfcomm - in some incarnation on the phone.17:50
RST38hwazd: the top of the background is bright blue instead of subdued blue17:50
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SpeedEvilalterego: as GPS devices are rfcomm, and they work by default17:50
koala_manwhen you move a widget in the desktop conf mode, the sides show up as blue. why is that?17:51
RST38hwazd: the cross buttons, when editing desktop, are too thick, they prevent you from concentrating on actual desktop items17:51
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alteregoSpeedEvil: good point.17:53
alteregoWell, I'll be able to do some testing tomorrow.17:53
hrwandre__: thx for blog comment17:53
andre__hrw, sure - I think we all want a way to somehow get newer builds for testing for those people that want to live on the edge...17:54
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hrwandre__: s/live on the edge/have fixed software/17:55
andre__well, some fixes. and some new bugs ;-)17:55
Arkenoihow can i open an arbitruary url in browser from a command line?17:55
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hrwnow... why my ISP decided today to break sftp/ftps ;(17:56
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Jiyuu|Worki asked this here a while ago17:58
Jiyuu|Workbut i've read something today and wondered about that17:59
Jiyuu|Workat the time i asked if its possible to install maemo on a phone that comes installed with android17:59
SpeedEvilJiyuu|Work: no17:59
Jiyuu|Worki was tolled that would be pretty difficult17:59
SpeedEvilJiyuu|Work: In principle yes, in practice, no, not without several hundred-several thousand hours of work.17:59
Jiyuu|Workbut just today i read how people are already doing it the other way around17:59
RST38hDoes not work the other way18:00
RST38hAndroid is pretty much a Java machine + some frameworks18:00
SpeedEvilThe n900 is implicitly documented by the available maemo code.18:00
RST38hMaemo is a whole software stack18:00
Jiyuu|Workso how come this is around?18:00
SpeedEvilEssentially all platforms android runs on are not nearly so well documented.18:00
SpeedEvilSee above18:01
Jiyuu|Workso it was simple because the n900 is well documented18:01
SpeedEvilPretty much18:01
tybolltRST38h: just what maemo is... the definition, itrigues me...18:01
tybolltRST38h: debian + hildon = maemo?18:01
SpeedEvilMaemo = mer + closed source elements from nokia18:01
SpeedEvilpretty much18:01
tybolltI'd love to read up on the intricacies :)18:01
Jiyuu|Workwhile trying to convert an android phone will be a lot of reverse engineering?18:02
infobotfrom memory, closed is
SpeedEvilSeethat tybollt18:02
SpeedEvilJiyuu|Work: basically, yes18:02
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kamuiAny kind soul care to invite me to spotify?18:03
javispedro mer = maemo - closed source, thus maemo = (maemo - closed source) + closed source, thus closed source = closed source18:03
kamuipm'd tybollt, greatly greatly appreciated! :)18:03
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DocScrutinizer51Arkenoi: see
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Creteilis there a command to see what apps installed from a particular repository ???18:06
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edheldilCreteil:  no18:07
jondyhello.. got this problem that the n900 isnt charging ?18:07
tybolltjondy: from usb or wall socket18:07
tybolltso you haven't connected a charging cable and you're wondering why it isn't working? Is this Monty Python flying circus?18:08
DocScrutinizer51id the device booted or off?18:08
jondysry i meant i tried them both18:08
tybolltleave it plugged into wall socket for a while18:09
tybolltshould do the trickl18:09
jondyit was over night18:09
MaemohammadAGjondy, try pulling it out and putting it back in18:09
tybolltif the battery is drained charing off of usb will usually fail18:09
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DocScrutinizer51renove bat. wait. insert bat. plug in wallcharger18:10
AndrewFBlackWhy the F*** do people keep updating my theme from devel!!18:10
jondytried that also18:10
AndrewFBlacksorry had to get that out I feel better now18:10
jondyis it possible that the battery is so dead that it doesnt even star charging ? :D18:10
AndrewFBlackjondy, yes18:11
DocScrutinizer51AndrewFBlack: fine :-)18:11
AndrewFBlackjondy, if you charging off USB I know it can be to dead to charge18:11
FatalAndrewFBlack: what do you mean? (regarding theme)18:11
DocScrutinizer51that's why I said 'wallcharger'18:11
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AndrewFBlackDocScrutinizer51, sorry people keep downloading theme from devel and complaining its not right :)18:12
tybolltall these "my phone's out cold, what now!?" is getting boring18:12
tybolltshould we wiki this perhaps?18:12
* tybollt contemplates18:12
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jondytried everyhting in wikis, this is allways the last option18:13
javispedroAndrewFBlack: people take -devel too lightly.18:13
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jondyso.. off to buy a new battery then..18:14
tybolltagain, make the device charge from wall socket - not USB and wait for a while18:14
tybolltif nothing still18:14
tybollttry removing and reinserting the cable18:14
DocScrutinizer51and wait again 1h at least18:15
jondytybollt: come on i've tried everything im not an idiot18:15
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tybolltjondy: I did not call you an idiot, I was trying to help you (However derogatory my tone may have been ;). Buying a new battery now is probably not the fix...18:16
jondywell then battery can die completely, right ?18:16
tybolltyes but it is unlikely in a device that _can not_ be older than about a month tops (granted you don't have a maemo summit device)18:17
DocScrutinizer51it can. but it's highly unlikely you ran into that18:18
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jondyok.. what about the musb socket... ?18:19
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DocScrutinizer51jondy: there are known issues with N900 not starting to charge in a normal way, on flat battery. And there are recommendations to cure that18:20
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DocScrutinizer51jondy: of course you *might* face any nasty kind of hw bug atm.18:21
DocScrutinizer51but it's more likely you ran into that known issue18:21
jondyhey, tried everything. it was running "oddly" after the uppdate. freezing, running slowly etc.18:23
DocScrutinizer51jondy: aiui one of the major characteristics of that issue is N900 will not *indicate* it's charging18:23
DocScrutinizer51jondy: then it's charging very slowly. and 3) it does this only from wallcharger18:23
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X-Fadeyes, all nokias have a mode where they can charge really empty batteries before they do a 'startup' for proper charging.18:26
X-FadeAs a proper startup would take more form the battery than the charger would provide at that moment ;)18:27
Arkenoii am not familliar with python regexps, how do i write "take first line only"?18:27
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DocScrutinizer51X-Fade: thanks for shedding some more light on this18:28
ShadikkaArkenoi: If you want first line only, regexp isn't the best choice18:28
X-FadeDocScrutinizer51: Even my really old monochrome Nokias did this :)18:28
ShadikkaI'd go for something like text.split()[0] or text[:text.find("\n")]18:28
ArkenoiShadikka, i am configuring ussd-widget, so it probably is18:28
jondyis it possible that the phone thinks its still connected to a computer18:28
ShadikkaIf you really want regexp, r'(.*?)[\r\n]'18:29
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DocScrutinizer51X-Fade: so the advice would be 'hook up to wallcharger and *wait*. then wait even longer'18:29
jondysry ment n90018:30
ShadikkaArkenoi: Do you need to just give it a regexp or a line of code?18:30
DocScrutinizer51jondy: if you removed bat as adviced, the phone for sure won't think anything. Even after you reinserted battery18:30
tybolltjondy: one thing I would try - whatever the situation - is yank the battery out of the phone18:30
tybolltput it back in18:30
ArkenoiShadikka, regexp18:31
tybolltthen try charging out of the wall socket for a while18:31
ShadikkaArkenoi: (.*?)[\r\n) should return the first line as the first group of the match then18:31
jondyok ill try it once again. ->18:31
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DocScrutinizer51for a looong while. and don't care about wheter t shows it's charging18:32
Arkenoiit says NoneType object has no attribute group18:32
ShadikkaArkenoi: sorry, "(.*?)[\r\n]?" without quotes should work18:32
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ShadikkaFirst I typoed the closing ] and forgot the question mark to make it not require a linebreak18:33
jondyok. im getting a feeling that the usb i kaput18:33
ShadikkaBadly coded if it gives that error :/ You should _always_ check if the re.match() or returns None instead of a Match object..18:33
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DocScrutinizer51jondy: why????18:34
ArkenoiShadikka, nope, still get 2 lines18:34
jondynot sure but its litlle bit looser18:34
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DocScrutinizer51jondy: you harrdly even started to charge in the way we adviced at you18:34
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jondyDocScrutinizer51: hey i did this allready on sunday, everything u said here...18:35
DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: is usb receptacle also solder free mount?18:35
ShadikkaArkenoi: That's strange. What kind of input does it get?18:35
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Arkenoi~ $ "*101#"18:36
ArkenoiâÁÌÁÎÓ 55.22ÒÕÂ. 18.01.10 14:2318:36
Arkenoiexactly like that18:36
Arkenoii need fist line but i do need second one18:36
adrian_hello everybody, no one has installed maemo on a nokia e65????18:36
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alteregoadrian_: not possible unfortunately.18:36
alteregoWell, I actually don't think it's that unfortunate really.18:37
adrian_alterego, why's that? I want to go deeper in it18:37
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alteregoadrian_: I'd forget about it.18:37
ShadikkaArkenoi: Alternative try: "([^\r\n]*)" without quotes18:37
DocScrutinizer51jondy: so maybe you're really better of to buy or borrow a spare bat somewhere18:37
alteregoIt wont ever happen.18:37
adrian_alterego, and android???18:37
adrian_I want a linux in my phone18:38
alteregoNo, nothing except series 6018:38
adrian_that's what I've got, sadly18:38
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jondyDocScrutinizer51: yes, that was my plan but someone thought it was a bad idea.18:38
DocScrutinizer51jondy: if only for testing purposes18:38
alteregoIf people could run Linux on any Series 60 device, it would have been done by now adrian_18:38
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adrian_I said E65, is E series, if I'm not wrong18:39
DocScrutinizer51jondy: if your usb receütacle is broken then you easily can tell it fails to function when you booted from new battery18:39
alteregoadrian_: it is a Symbian Series 60 phone.18:39
alteregoThat is the operating system it runs.18:39
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jondyyes. ok thanks alot. battery shopping ->18:40
DocScrutinizer51jondy: yw18:40
adrian_alterego, ohh right18:40
ArkenoiShadikka, thanks! it worked.18:41
hrwcan someone at nokia fix that repository? is 40318:41
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: what USB18:42
alteregoAnyhow, adrian_ you're more likely to get struck by lightening than you are getting anythiong other than the supplied operating system running on a Nokia symbian or even S40 based phone.18:42
ShadikkaArkenoi: np :)18:42
DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: the micro usb receptacle on N90018:42
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SpeedEvilah - yes.18:42
hrwPreparing to replace mp-fremantle-generic-pr 2.2009.51-1.0 (using .../mp-fremantle-generic-pr_2.2009.51-1.hrw0_all.deb) ...18:43
hrwyes ;D18:43
DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: yes means solder free?18:43
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HukkaIs there any way to get some extra output from sb-menu? It just freezes today. Even after a reinstall.18:51
HukkaAlternatively, would someone want to compile libspatiallite2 for N900 :?18:52
adrian_alterego, all right, sadly N900 here is priced as a home18:52
Hukkaadrian_: Homes are cheap, depending on your taste. Houses, on the other hand, are not :)18:52
adrian_Hukka, I probably meant house18:53
adrian_I live in cuba, guys18:53
arachnist <| rotfl, sfw (at least this episode)18:53
tybolltif you live in cuba - don't use linux... it's not free you know - better get something approved by the state censorship.18:54
tybollt(ref google vs china :)18:54
|RCuba hires russians to control their (smallish) network18:54
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aepis it normal that "updating maemo"  takes forever?18:59
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greenflyI have a feeling everyone is hammering the repos right now19:00
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xorAxAxaep: yes, its very slow19:05
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aepglad to hear its not my device. just received it19:07
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kamuiyay! abiword is available!!!19:09
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kamuinow we just need gnumeric and my officelust will be satiated!19:09
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tybolltsomeone get that word-suite that comes w/ the phone running?19:09
kamuiyou talkin about documents2go?19:10
kamuiisn't that readonly anyway19:10
tybolltno idea really19:10
tybolltit tried to coerce me into paying for it when I tried it19:10
kamuino way, waste of $$$19:10
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andre__kamui, abiword? where?19:11
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Arkenoidoes it really work?19:13
Arkenoii tried installing it, does not seem to19:13
Arkenoiat least did not a few days ago19:13
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VDVsxoh boy,t he 14p discussion at TMO about closing the mailing lists, really shows the difference between the MLs and TMO19:30
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lupine_85So on the N900, what sorts of VoIP does it support in the native phone app? Can I connect it up to an asterisk server over SIP/IAX?19:31
lupine_85I've noticed it offering voice calls over xmpp, but I don't have any endpoints to test that with...19:31
arachnistlupine_85: it supports SIP19:31
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smpslupine_85, i used it with asterisk and its fine19:32
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lupine_85ooh, excellent :)19:32
smpslupine_85, search some posts on talk.maemo.org19:32
lupine_85means I should look at setting my own asterisk server up again, I guess :)19:33
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type_t<lupine_85>  AsteriskNOW redhat?19:36
* lupine_85 avoids redhat anything19:36
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smpstype_t, its centos iirc19:37
lupine_85debian has packages, that's good enough for me :)19:37
type_t# because of the GPL licence? i dint get it.19:37
lupine_85hopefully means I can connect to my work's SIP server, too19:37
smpstype_t, ?19:38
luke-jrtype_t: because RedHat sucks?19:38
type_thaha ok19:38
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smps <- crazy stuff19:40
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Jaffahrw: Your blog post is a very nice white screen for me...19:45
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kamuiStill lookin for a spotify invite, if anyone has one they can spare19:48
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hrwTomaszD: hej19:54
fralsTomaszD: thanks for your comment on fAPN in -testing - i do think that "fAPN" is enough in display-name though as it contains a description :)19:57
* lcuk just realised frals wrote the first maemo component for fapping19:57
fralslcuk: doh! i realised that after i named it.. and well.. its a good name! ;D19:58
tybolltThat's good - we need to have one of those too19:58
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lcuktybollt, the accelometer can tell you how fast you are going19:58
ivan4thjust noticed that my N900 became too hot. started top and noticed maemo-xinput-sounds grabbing 100% CPU. Had to kill it with kill -9 ...19:59
lcukit can detect "sedate, strong, vigerous, omg it burns"19:59
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tybolltand then you can capture the entire thing w/ the camera - you know Nokia should get into the pr0n bussiness20:00
SpeedEvilpedometer with extra modes for other oscillatory excersizes!20:00
TomaszDhey guys20:00
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hrwJaffa: and now?20:00
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: lol20:00
SpeedEvilI would actually really like a pedo app. And otehr execrises.20:01
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: audio peek meter?20:01
lcukSpeedEvil, it should have a calory ocunter20:01
SpeedEvilIntegrated diet managment too20:01
hrwTomaszD: fixed Modest does not use 'Odp:' anymore - want package?20:01
user_whats the repo for extras testing?20:01
TomaszDhrw: I rarely send e-mail from my N900, I only treat it as a reader20:02
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TomaszDso no, thx20:02
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tybolltthe n900 is awesome for short emails20:02
tybollt"I'm late"20:02
hrwtybollt: or 'me too'20:02
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tybollt"Still stuck w/ the hand in the vent trying to pick up that m&m that's been there forever- can you come get me?" etc...20:03
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lcuktybollt, you lie20:03
tybollthrw: Are you going all AOL on my ass? :)20:03
hrwtybollt: n900 with one hand is usable only for calls or hammering20:03
tybolltlcuk: Dang, how'd you notice?20:04
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w00ttybollt: lcuk already got that m&m yesterday20:04
lcuktybollt, one handed usage as hrw says :p20:05
tybolltseriously - I use MFS a lot and I can tell you it's S O much better on N900 than on E75 for instance.20:05
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SpeedEvilhrw: the on-screen keyboard is usable for short text20:05
DocScrutinizerwhile talking bout it: what's general opinion about a speech2text app for N900?20:05
DocScrutinizeranything in the pipe somewhere?20:06
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: espeak20:06
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: oops20:06
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: other way round20:06
CaesiumDocScrutinizer:  could that also facilitate launching things by speech command? if so I'd hit it :)20:06
Caesiumdialling contacts by saying name, yummy20:06
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DocScrutinizerall new Nokia phones have a very decent s2t. I fonly Nokia was willing to port that to maemo20:07
DocScrutinizerCaesium: exactly. works like a charm on N9520:07
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hrwSpeedEvil: you need two hands or place to put n900 to type one handly20:08
SpeedEvilhrw: it's a bit awkward - you can thumb it though20:08
Jaffahrw: Still white screen20:09
DocScrutinizer51a lie20:09
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Jaffahrw: If I bypass our work proxy, it loads though20:09
DocScrutinizer51this thumbed in  even lefthand20:09
N900evillike this,,20:10
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N900evilactually you use it with finger next to thumb20:11
SpeedEvilor that's one way20:11
SpeedEvilit's annoying - yes20:11
Jaffahrw: If you include Modest patches from bug 3700 and bug 2563, I'll be in :)20:11
povbot`Bug Put signatures not on top in replies (thereby not forcing top-post)20:11
povbot`Bug Please provide an attribution line for replying20:11
SpeedEvilwith the device held in thumb and end two fingers.20:11
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hrwJaffa: are they in upstream modest?20:12
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: nah. N900 in my palm, typing with thumb20:12
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Jaffahrw: NAFAIK, no.20:13
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: luckily that's NOT portrait mode ;-)20:13
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: my thumb may not be flexy enough20:13
Jaffahrw: Despite the patches being maintained by the community, there seems to be no movement on getting them into Maemo Modest in the short term20:13
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: gicht?20:13
KenYoungJaffa, What's Maemo Modest?20:14
SpeedEvilan alternate vkbd would be nice for thumb20:14
SpeedEvilleft and right thumb20:14
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DocScrutinizererr, s/gicht/gout/20:14
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JaffaKenYoung: The Modest which is shipped as part of an officially maintained and distributed and supported Maemo.20:15
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KenYoungJaffa, Thanks.20:15
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: well it's not really in my palm. more resting on my four fingers20:16
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DocScrutinizerslightly holding it with tip of middle and ring finger20:17
lcukare we still talking about the fapmoter?20:17
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DocScrutinizermore about reverse ploish dvorak20:18
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N900evilah i see20:18
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SpeedEvilThat doesn't work - as I'm in bed - and I can't see the n900 likle that. held flat, yes it works20:19
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hrwJaffa: both patches apply nice and sound like nice addons20:20
DocScrutinizeryeah will hurt your face when looking at it while laying in bed20:20
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DocScrutinizerand darn, you bet my IroN900 can hit hard20:21
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SpeedEvilI have tried nose-typing.20:22
SpeedEvilIt doesn't really work well20:22
SpeedEvilIf the front camera wasn't utterly crap - video gesture recognition of some sort would be interesting for pointer contrtol20:23
Jaffahrw: Cool20:24
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cehtehdidnt the firmware updated the frontcam issues a bit?20:24
* Jaffa would also love it if Modest's editor actually fitted 72 characters on a line, but I doubt there's a bug for that - and I've certainly not seen a patch20:24
simulai haven't updated my firmware, does anyone have a link to a picture taken with the frontcam?20:24
tybolltSpeedEvil: that'd be nothing short of awesome... for deaf people, a realtime OCRish parser for sign language >:)20:24
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cehtehtybollt: just: who holds the device?20:25
tybolltcehteh: duuuh, it's got a stand built in :D20:25
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SpeedEvilIt's better than it was20:25
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: wow. sounds like a nice idea nevertheless20:26
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SpeedEvilgaze trakcing would be utterly awesome20:26
cehtehwell just *simple* gestures like moving hand up/down left/right or so would be nice already20:26
tybolltcehteh: give the finger and have the phone interpret it as... well >:)20:27
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: for that it will be really too crappy20:27
DocScrutinizersimula: I dunno how to take pics with frontcam20:28
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SpeedEvilmplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video1 -vo pnm20:30
tybolltppm? :S20:31
SpeedEvilThis is an image of my laptop screen, with it set to brightest20:31
cehtehthats at least much better than before20:31
SpeedEvilby quite a lot20:32
DocScrutinizer"gwenview can not display content of type application/octet-stream" baah20:32
Caesiumwhat's ppm? Opera won't touch it20:32
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MOUDI just upgraded my phone's firmware and now I can't see my songs and videos folder (before they were working)20:34
MOUDhow can I fix it?20:34
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SpeedEvilAs a comparison - - is an image of the same conditions. (not focussed properly)20:35
lcukarhhh fuck im shooting slectric sparks out of my fingertips20:35
DocScrutinizerCaesium: man ppm20:35
lcuki just zapped computer and n900, is it like safe?20:35
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angasuleN810lcuk: probably not20:36
angasuleN810lcuk, I used to reset my cellphone that way20:36
fralslcuk: evolving in to a superhero?20:36
fnordianslipanyone have any opinions on focus stealing on maemo5?  it annoys me when i launch an app, and switch to another, as the app I launched steals focus when it is ready.  it should stay in the background until i switch to it, in my opinion.20:36
ShadowJK_fnordianslip, I agree.20:36
* cehteh agrees too20:37
angasuleN810fnordianslip, that's annoying and happens in diablo, too20:37
ShadowJK_I just noticed that gpodder steals focus even after having launched. I picked ot update all feeds, and switched to xchat, then gpodder stole focus once the update was complete, to display list of new episodes20:37
fnordianslipi wonder if it is a bug, or a feature20:37
SpeedEvil and
Cas07@MOUD what release have you installed and have you searched the talk forums?20:37
SpeedEvilfnordianslip: bug20:37
angasuleN810also, your nickname is too long20:37
SpeedEvilfnordianslip: start an app install20:37
SpeedEvilfnordianslip: switch to another app20:37
angasuleN810I need tab completion!20:37
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SpeedEvilfnordianslip: come back, and wonder why your keyboard isn't working20:38
SpeedEvilas the 'app installed' banner stole focus20:38
* fnordianslip is too long? you should see the derivatives20:38
fnordianslipSpeedEvil: i think that might have been fixed, not sure though20:38
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MOUDCas07: I have Version 2.2009.51-1.003 and I haven't checked the talk forums yet20:38
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tybolltmeh :)20:39
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povbot`Bug 6365: maemo-xinput-sounds uses all available CPU20:39
xorAxAx> 100% of the time is in state C0 at 600MHz20:40
xorAxAxAccording to Igor's summit lightning talk that WILL fry the CPU.  Bumping20:40
DocScrutinizerangasuleN810: you need tab completion ;-P20:40
angasuleN810I do!20:40
xorAxAxanybody heard his lightning talk?20:40
fnordianslipangasuleN810: my nick is shorter than yours, btw :)20:40
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DocScrutinizerangasuleN810: so why don't you configure xchat to *do* tab completion for you?20:41
angasuleN810same length, actually :-P20:42
angasuleN810I tried, but I couldn't figure it out20:42
angasuleN810ok, I didn't try *hard*20:42
fnordianslipangasuleN810: in chars, perhaps, but not in my font20:42
pupnik_i heard it xorAxAx20:43
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angasuleN810I'm usiing a fixed width font, weird20:43
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xorAxAxpupnik_: and, does it fry the cpu? :)20:43
MOUDCas07: case solved, I just had to restart my device20:44
MOUDthanks anyways20:44
pupnik_i just got a flat tire.  so i decided to chat with n900 before going outside the car to fix20:44
DocScrutinizerangasuleN810: settings -> key shortcuts. find "nick comp(letion)". asign key combo20:44
SpeedEvilmplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video1 -vf denoise3d=50:50:5020:44
pupnik_strange luxury to have internet everywhere...20:44
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DocScrutinizerpupnik_: indeed20:45
pupnik_very high denoise settings SpeedEvil  how does it look20:45
DocScrutinizerkinda adicting20:45
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angasuleN810DocScrutinizer, uhm, I just found out about chr :-P20:46
pupnik_try lower settings.  too much ghosting20:46
angasuleN810I HAVE TEH PIPE20:47
DocScrutinizerangasuleN810: huh?20:47
SpeedEvilpupnik: smooth - but blobby20:47
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bekozwhat are we talking about?20:48
DocScrutinizerangasuleN810: novice user? :-)20:48
pupnik_10:10:10 gives normal rresults here20:48
angasuleN810DocScrutinizer, yeap, relatively20:48
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jebba"The problem you are seeing is called last mile acceleration and should not be there. It tries to be helpful and opens the zip on the fly for you, which is not what apt-get wants. Mailing support to turn it off."  -Tero.                    How is this not thought of in advance?20:48
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angasuleN810he multiplies!20:49
DocScrutinizer-8angasuleN810: well I'm using this lovely gadget since almost 2 years now :-)20:50
uhsfmplayer tv:// on the N900?20:50
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DocScrutinizerjebba: WTF???20:51
angasuleN810I've had it since christmas20:51
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DocScrutinizerangasuleN810: I'm such a fanboy I even got me a spare, just in case :-P20:52
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angasuleN810DocScrutinizer, got an N900?20:53
Cas07@uhsf run from xterm20:53
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DocScrutinizer51angasuleN810: as well, yes20:53
angasuleN810DocScrutinizer, I kinda hate your guts :-D20:53
villagerjebba: I figured the provider enables it by default and whoever moved providers didn't know that?20:53
DocScrutinizerwas inevitable as I always dreamt of a N810 with GSM modem20:54
Cas07@speedevil didnt realise that easy :)20:54
villagerjebba: just assumed it would work like a regular webserver20:54
angasuleN810DocScrutinizer, I'm dreaming of moving to NL, then getting  an N900 and iRex iLiad and a pony20:55
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xorAxAxsigh, i want an nntp frontend for tmo21:01
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dmj726_n900capitalization in the virtual keyboard seems broken after pr1.121:05
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dmj726_n900anybody else noticed this?21:05
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Cas07if you mean gestures there is a forum post about it21:06
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konttoridmj726_n900: you need to open control panel and set the auto-capitalization to your liking21:09
angasuleN810I lIkE iT lIkE tHiS21:10
aepumm any idea why my n900 doesnt resolve the local domain?  /etc/resolv.conf shows  which is odd21:10
* angasuleN810 is a 13 year old girl :-P21:10
hrwJaffa: you have my repo enabled?21:10
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aepi guess i can't just edit /etc/resolv.conf, can i? it will be overriden by some tool21:12
Jaffahrw: not yet21:12
smpsaep, yes, but in connection setting on your phone you can manually add dns server21:13
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aepah nice.21:13
aepwhy doesnt it use my local one (which it gets via dhcp) in the first place?21:13
smpsaep, it does21:13
aepwell no.  resolv.conf says
aepand i cant resolv the local domain#21:13
smpsaep, yes but locally you have "dnsmasq"21:14
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smpsaep, which listens for it21:14
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aepah, for what?21:14
smpsaep, how do you try it ?21:14
aep"ping barf"  which resolvs on other computers in my network just fone21:14
smpsaep, try "ping barf.domain"21:14
smpsaep, where ".domain" is your local domain21:15
aepgood catch21:15
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hrwJaffa: modest with your requests is there....21:15
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* timeless_mbp sighs21:15
timeless_mbpMfE Folders triggers an annoying "feature" in modest21:16
tybolltdo tell21:16
aephey that works, except it asks for a root password21:16
aepwhat root password?21:16
smpsaep, what asks for root password ?21:16
aeperr well sudo ping21:16
timeless_mbpsudo gainroot21:16
aepah. thanks21:16
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timeless_mbpyou need to install 'rootsh' to use gainroot21:17
aepthats not in the gui installers list, and sudo apt asks for a password again :(21:17
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Jaffahrw: cool, ta. I'll test when I get home.21:18
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aepoh there it is, never mind21:18
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aepssh from my phone to control my router which runs lastfm. that was worth the money!21:20
* aep is happy21:20
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rdMy N900 tries to signal me something with a "white" light where it usually signals emails, chats, missed calls witht the blue LED21:22
SpeedEvilit on21:22
SpeedEvilstupid - go to 'notification light' in setting21:22
SpeedEviland turn it off21:22
SpeedEvilI have no idea why they decided this was a good ide21:22
rdMany thanks, I found it21:23
wolf^SpeedEvil, at least you can turn it off, not like in n7321:23
GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, s/jffs/ubifs/21:24
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rdI am wondering, did that come with a recent FW update or was it always there?21:24
SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: oh - yeah - true21:24
aepummm no pipe key?21:24
aepand no less21:25
SpeedEvilapt-get install less - with the tools repository enabled21:25
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aepah where is that?21:26
aepi think i need to read some "introduction to hacking the n900" :D21:26
aepah found21:27
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AndrewFBlackStskeeps, ping?21:31
Arkenoi that's damn great, i was thinking about creating a project like that myself21:31
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RST38hwhat is stopping you?21:32
timeless_mbphey AndrewFBlack21:33
timeless_mbpis your theme fixed?21:33
AndrewFBlacktimeless_mbp, yep21:34
AndrewFBlackgoing to be pushing to testing soon21:34
timeless_mbperr, soon?21:34
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timeless_mbpwhere is nit now?21:34
infobottimeless_mbp meant: where is it now?21:34
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aephm how do i debug the browser? it just shows a white page and a loading animation forever21:36
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aepdoes this thing have a log or something?21:36
xorAxAx20:32:45 -!- Irssi: New peak in #maemo@freenode : 55821:36
RST38hwhere are they all coming from?21:37
Jaffahrw: Doesn't show up in App Manager, AFAICT21:38
AndrewFBlacktimeless_mbp, 1.2-6 just got done building I´m going to test it a while then move it to testing.  All should be good its the same as last version just new App Manger Icons21:38
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javispedrowow, the autobuilder is now faster than this machine21:39
timeless_mbpAndrewFBlack: i'm stuck w/ maemo-org 1.1-321:39
hrwJaffa: I did not touched packaging21:39
X-Fadejavispedro: Heh ;)21:39
aepjust calling "browser" from the commandline doesnt do anything :/21:39
timeless_mbpaep: there's a browser dbus command for opening urls21:39
hrwJaffa: Section: mail21:39
aepwell i need the browser to open in terminal though to get at least som,e debug output21:40
aepthe gui doesnt exactly tell you anything other then "please wait forever"21:40
AndrewFBlacktimeless_mbp, if you want to update from devel then current version should update that one.  You got 1.1-3 from devel also21:40
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redis there any way to shut of the N900 screen while the phone is connected to TV?21:40
redguessing it would save some battery.21:41
X-Fadejavispedro: You don't have dual quadcore Xeon with 32GB of RAM? How odd :)21:41
Jaffahrw: HAM has the concept of trusted dupdate domains IIRC21:41
AndrewFBlackhow come Build Queue and Latest Build not working on anymore?21:41
javispedroX-Fade: hehe... nice! :)21:41
X-FadeAndrewFBlack: Haven't enabled that yet.21:41
AndrewFBlackX-Fade, ok21:41
AndrewFBlackbtw, just want to say Site is running better then it ever as.21:42
Jaffahrw: ah no, I might have a typo ;)21:42
redcould anyone give me a url to wget bounce from?21:42
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redor should the repo work already?21:43
xorAxAxred: you can echo 0 >/sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/brightness21:43
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xorAxAxprobably in a watch loop21:44
xorAxAxwatch "..."21:44
X-FadeAndrewFBlack: We will speed it up some more.21:44
xorAxAxX-Fade: by doing what? :)21:44
AndrewFBlackX-Fade, I´m just happy that I don´t time out uploading to extras anymore lol21:45
X-FadexorAxAx: Improving the way caching etc works. And moving to a HA mysql cluster for the databases.21:45
X-FadeAndrewFBlack: Heh, no that should be solved now :)21:46
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timeless_mbpaep: so um21:46
timeless_mbpabout your browser21:46
timeless_mbpis browserd running in your process list?21:47
timeless_mbpand did you install anything *stupid* like browser-switchboard?21:47
aepi didnt install anything yet21:47
aepother then update21:47
aepi restarted the device. browser works again, until it crashes21:47
timeless_mbpwell, what did you install *before* the update?21:47
aepnothing. i updated right away21:48
timeless_mbpso you haven't installed anything?21:48
timeless_mbpsorry, i'm used to users lying to me21:48
timeless_mbpand it's a very bad use of my time :)21:48
aepwell yes rootsh21:48
timeless_mbpis that all? :)21:48
javispedro2:30 for a full build of vulture's eye. I think I'm going to stop local builds ;)21:48
timeless_mbpwell, for now, how about installing 'crash-reporter' (it's probably in the 'tools' repository)21:49
aepah nice. will do21:49
timeless_mbpwhen something crashes, try to include your email address or something similarly identifiable21:49
aepas soon as the browser stops crashing so i can enable the tools repo21:49
aepsince the manual link is a 40421:49
lardman|homehow do I tell if something is optified?21:49
aepso i guess i have to use this one click thing21:49
javispedroRST38h: diablo vulture's eye is up (also updated fremantle one again, using gzip for savefiles)21:49
timeless_mbpyou can always manually enter repository bits21:50
timeless_mbpfree non-free21:50
Jaffalardman|home: grep /opt /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.list21:50
javispedroRST38h: of course the diablo one is working, and at a playable speed.21:50
timeless_mbp[ ] Do not use21:50
aeptimeless_mbp: says  refresh failed. 40421:50
lardman|homeJaffa: before I install it?21:50
Jaffalardman|home: or it installs under /usr/lib/python2.521:50
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Jaffalardman|home: dpkg -c on the deb? ;)21:50
lardman|homeJaffa: I hope not for gnuplot ;)21:51
lardman|homeah, ok :)21:51
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RST38hjavispedro: !!!21:51
RST38hjavispedro: thanks =)21:51
lardman|homeah good, gnuplot is fwiw21:52
lardman|homewould be nice for HAM to tell us that21:52
RST38hjavispedro: Should I promote Fremantle one to testing and make a tmo post warning people to uninstall the previous version?21:52
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javispedroRST38h: yes, if you find the usual functionality is OK in the new one21:53
javispedro(it's -1maemo5 fwiw)21:54
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MaemohammadAGif i disable the vibrator module from mce, will anything happen to the device?21:54
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RST38hjavis: I played it for a while, feels ok21:57
aepah great got it working21:57
RST38hjavis: omg, is not found on the server21:57
cehtehMaemohammadAG: it wont vibrate anymore .. well dont forget to restart mce21:58
javispedrohmm ?21:58
RST38hthis works21:58
MaemohammadAGcehteh, it doesn't vibrate now21:58
javispedroah yes, the new one is not yet there21:58
MaemohammadAGjust makes the sound and till i get it fixed i'm disabling it21:58
* cehteh did that too .. at least for incomming emails21:58
pupnikjavispedro: do you think the bypassing pulse idea is bad or good?21:58
javispedroRST38h: wait a bit and promote -1maemo521:58
cehtehi dont want it vibrating every few minutes21:59
RST38hjavispedro: apply as a package maintainer, two is better than one21:59
RST38hpupnik: IMHO bad21:59
MaemohammadAGwell the vibrator's broken so loading it is pointless21:59
javispedropupnik: I don't mind. if it can break the speakers, then bad.21:59
MaemohammadAGnow i have to find a way to get rid of the startup vibration21:59
RST38hNo idea what it will do, hence bad21:59
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RST38hOn the other hand, we do not quite know what PA does =(22:00
pupnikit arbitrates access between apps, runs eq (xprot), and takes care of buffering and format/samplerate conversion22:00
cehtehMaemohammadAG: thats prolly hardcoded into the bootloader already .. iirc it vibrates very early22:00
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RST38hthanks =)22:01
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redanyone suggest any game for dosbox? so far tested larry 1 :)22:04
gevaertsIs there a way to make the fm transmitter keep transmitting if there's no sound playing?22:05
ml-N900it does22:05
ml-N900it transmits beeps22:05
MaemohammadAGcehteh, oh kk22:05
gevaertsalthough I get the impression that it shuts off after a while22:06
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MaemohammadAGit does22:06
cehtehfor powersaving reasons prolly22:06
ml-N900red: Descent! (good luck controlling it!)22:06
gevaertsI'd like to use it for RDS only22:06
cehtehtransmit silence22:07
gevaertsthat works of course, but it's slightly more work22:07
cehtehhow that?22:07
gevaertsyou have to keep track of it22:08
* gevaerts has to think about this22:08
koala_manso my screen appears to be stuck sideways (portrait mode). what's supposed to trigger it to change?22:09
X-Fadekoala_man: lock screen, press powerbuttton, slide on screen to unlock.22:09
xorAxAxIMHO the portrait detection is broken and a bit unusable because it triggers sometimes in the wrong moment or not at all. thats probably the reason why its not enabled by default22:09
X-FadeAnd yes, that is a bug ;)22:09
koala_manX-Fade: oh, nice. thanks22:10
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redml-N900: rofl22:10
red22:00 < red> anyone suggest any game for dosbox? so far tested larry 1 :)22:10
redlet me rephrase - those who have used dosbox on n900 - any suggestions?22:11
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redi've read the forum threads mostly :)22:11
lardman|homehmm, is there a generic env var I can set to make things ignore python2.3 in preference to python2.5?22:11
xorAxAxcommander keen22:11
MaemohammadAGcehteh, how do i restart mce?22:12
hrwlardman|home: sbox has python2.3?22:12
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xorAxAxred: is that enough?22:12
hrwo fuck.. it has22:12
RST38hpupnik: Does not arbitrate well enough, judging by that stupid lockup bug22:12
lardman|homehrw: yep, pretty advanced stuff ;)22:12
hrwlardman|home: nokia is poor company22:13
* RST38h reminds hrw of sb2 existance22:13
igagis_hello all22:13
hrwRST38h: and madde22:13
xorAxAxRST38h: is it already maemo compatible?22:13
igagis_can someone help me with this?
hrwRST38h: official way is 'use sbox1' and I keep that way22:13
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redxorAxAx: ty22:13
xorAxAxred: never tried most of them, though22:13
RST38hxorAxAx: SB2? I develop with it.22:14
RST38hhrw: Official way is also "use autoconf"22:14
RST38hhrw: But I refuse to go mad.22:14
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RST38hhrw: So, yes, just forgetting about sb1 may not be such a bad idea22:15
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AndrewFBlackstrange are repos faster then now just updated to newest version of my theme but update isn´t showing on site22:15
hrwRST38h: I like autoconf22:15
RST38hhrw: What for?22:15
RST38hit is "solving" preciously few actual problems nowadays22:15
xorAxAxRST38h: are there debs?22:15
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RST38hxorAxAx: ? yes, sb2 can create debs22:16
xorAxAxRST38h: no, for sb2 installation22:16
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hrwbye all22:17
xorAxAxRST38h: or do i need to install from source?22:17
hrwRST38h: I prefer to work with soft which uses autoconf then other crazy ways22:17
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xorAxAxah, there is
aepis my device broken? i get frequent crashes with browser, xchat, etc22:18
rom1dephello ! Just a dumb question... Where are stored the files of the "Documents" directory ? I had a quick look in ~ but I think there is a special pounting point for these dirs...22:18
javispedroon any of the cpumem-applets, when the cpu usage is 100%, does the bar turn red or blue?22:18
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Shadikkarom1dep: They're in hidden folders, try ls -a22:22
javispedrorom1dep: ~/MyDocs/.documents22:22
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Shadikkaoh, sorry, misread22:22
ShadikkaYeah, just as javispedro said.22:22
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xorAxAxdoes anyone know if it is possible to configure the file open dialog to also show e.g. the home directory?22:23
javispedroah, the bar blinks red.22:23
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pupnikxorAxAx: just pretend mydocs is your home dir22:24
redwonder if X-COM series work on N900 dosbox22:24
pupnikit gets backed-up22:24
redgotta try to find and play22:24
rom1depthanks Shadikka and javispedro ! On my desktop I have -a in my aliases so I totaly forgot to try that >.<22:24
xorAxAxpupnik: a) it is fat b) ruskie made it too small22:24
xorAxAxevil ruskie22:24
pupnikany hi-fi music fans /msg me22:25
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xorAxAxpupnik: for what?22:25
pupnikneed advice22:26
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rom1dephas anyone here tested msn-pacan on the n900 ?22:30
tuxerworks pretty good for me22:33
MaemohammadAGrom1dep, best of all 3 imo22:34
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MaemohammadAGhaze kept having server problems22:35
rom1deptuxer: MaemohammadAG: did you built it or is theresomething available in the repos ?22:35
MaemohammadAGthe no named one kept disappearing22:35
MaemohammadAGit's on the repos22:36
MaemohammadAGlike a person would show up as online but there's no button to chat22:36
MaemohammadAGalso green LED for IM FTW22:36
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tuxerrom1dep: it's in devel or testing22:37
lardman|homehmm, so do I need to create a file to enable optification, or will it just happen (talking about random libs I'm packaging up here)22:37
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MohammadAGanyone found a way to set up xchat notifications?22:37
rom1deptuxer: thanks ! so I'll switch to testing :)22:38
lardman|homexchat allows binary plugins doesn't it?22:38
MohammadAGnot sure22:38
MohammadAGperl/tcl/python on a pc22:38
lardman|homepython would do22:38
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MohammadAGstep by step?22:39
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lardman|homeMohammadAG: find LED control code in Python, find example xchat plugin, merge ;)22:39
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MohammadAGyou're good at step by step-s :p22:40
lardman|homethanks :)22:40
xorAxAxRST38h: how do you do the gui tests? it says: Error: Binary-only supplement package not available for fremantle5.0minimal_armel.22:40
MohammadAGnp :p22:40
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ruskiexorAxAx, or generate a vfat image and loop mount it on MyDocs ;)22:43
xorAxAxRST38h: make: *** [clean] Segmentation fault22:43
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xorAxAxRST38h: doesnt look usable yet :)22:43
xorAxAxruskie: hmm22:44
xorAxAxruskie: currently i am bindmounting like hell22:44
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ruskiesee the rest of the repartitioning thread... it mentions this option as well22:45
MohammadAGhow do i start mce again?22:45
MohammadAGi killed it22:45
ruskietried start mce22:45
xorAxAxruskie: the option to create an image?22:45
ruskiexorAxAx, as an alternative to a real MyDocs partition22:46
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MohammadAGwell that was a stupid question22:47
MohammadAGthanks ruskie22:47
ruskiethere are no stupid questions22:47
MohammadAGstart mce22:47
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ruskieand I could have been wrong22:47
ruskiels /etc/event.d22:47
MohammadAGactually it was lol22:47
ruskieyou can start name or stop name22:47
ruskiefor anything in that dir22:47
ruskieI think22:47
ruskienot used to upstart22:47
RST38hxorAxAx: Well, works-for-me22:48
MohammadAGi knew about start and stop, that's why i said it was stupid22:48
RST38hxorAxAx: What host OS / toolchain / bootstrap are you using?22:48
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* igagis_ cannot ping the maemo.org22:49
xorAxAxRST38h: ubuntu 9.10, armel, fremantle22:49
oscillikruskie: sorry to be a pain, but i'm getting "resolving host timed out:" while trying to install gcoreutils...anything i can do to get this working?22:50
ruskieoscillik, try pinging it22:50
MohammadAGthe orange led isn't the same as the red one22:50
ruskieMohammadAG, naturally not22:50
MohammadAGi thought the orange one was named red22:51
ruskieMohammadAG, orange is orange red is red22:51
oscillikruskie: i'm getting a response when pinging22:51
MohammadAGnot if you're colourblind :P22:51
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ruskieI think it's a multi colour led22:51
ruskieoscillik, odd22:51
MohammadAG(i'm not, thankfully)22:51
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ruskieMohammadAG, so you can play with red green and blue values on it22:51
MohammadAGit is, but i thought it was 3 colours only22:51
ruskieoscillik, tried apt-get update?22:52
MohammadAGwhat about orange?22:52
MohammadAGis it for charging only?22:52
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ruskieMohammadAG, no... go to an online colour picker22:52
ruskieand pick a colour then you'll need what values you need22:53
ruskienot sure what mce uses22:53
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MohammadAGplus it has different patterns for different devices22:53
MohammadAGRX51 (this one obviously)22:53
MohammadAGand a few others22:54
oscillikruskie: just did update. now when i try to install it says "failed to fetch the requested URL returned error: 404"22:54
ruskiewhat's the lowest led colour number? and the highest?22:54
prontoany easy way to disable smilies in text messages?22:54
ruskiepronto, no22:54
RST38hxorAxax: Again, what toolchain?22:54
ruskieoscillik, it's not opt/opt22:54
prontodoes that hexedit method still work with that pr1.122:55
ruskieoscillik, your deb line is wrong22:55
RST38hxorAxAx: AFAIK, you have to use the latest toolchain, then it works22:55
xorAxAxRST38h: arm-2007q322:55
ruskiepronto, probably22:55
xorAxAxwhat is the latest one, RST38h?22:55
ruskieoscillik, it's deb ./22:55
RST38hxorAxAx: compiler looks ok22:55
ruskieyou apprantely have deb opt22:55
RST38hxorAxAx: What about the tools (etch-what?)22:55
RST38hxorAxAx: that may be it22:55
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* RST38h vaguely remembers getting a coredump with the wrong tools22:56
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oscillikruskie: odd. the entry in App Manager is ""22:56
ruskieoscillik, that is correct22:56
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ruskieoscillik, what about component and the other entry?22:56
oscillikcomponent is "/"22:56
oscillikhang on22:57
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oscillikdistribution is /22:57
ruskiethe last field should be blank22:57
ruskiethe other one should be ./22:57
oscillikyeah it is :-s22:57
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oscilliklemme try it again22:57
ruskiecheck in case the line extends further for the location22:57
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ruskieoscillik, check also what this returns: grep codemages /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list22:58
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oscillikin the distribution field it had "/" instead of "./", so i'm gonna try again now i changed it22:59
ruskieactually should be deb opt/22:59
ruskieatleast that's what I have22:59
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oscillikruskie: it's still putting /opt/opt :-s23:01
ruskieoscillik, try with https://repo.codemages.net23:01
oscilliki'm gonna remove /opt from the url altogether23:01
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oscillikyeah :D23:01
ruskieand opt/ for distro23:01
oscillikjust waiting for App Manager to respond so i can change it23:02
rom1deptuxer: me again, can you give me the exact name of the msn-pecan package please ?23:03
MohammadAGtelepathy-msn-pecan rom1dep23:03
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DocScrutinizer[2010-01-18 21:37:43] (<MohammadAG> anyone found a way to set up xchat notifications?)  Yup23:04
DocScrutinizermoment, I'll paste it23:04
oscillikruskie: sucess :D (i think)23:04
MohammadAGthanks :D23:04
rom1depapt-get install telepathy-msn-pecan it's probbably in devel, not in testing23:05
* MohammadAG sees it's not only him who reads scrollbacks23:05
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles: finally have wifi (never thought the mbp could act as an AP xD), how do you recommend I update the n900?23:06
MohammadAGcrashanddie, HAM23:06
MohammadAGyou can use apt-get dist-upgrade too23:06
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: still claims the repos are down, even though the forums yell other things23:06
MohammadAGthey're working for me23:07
crashanddiecould be my akamai routing is dodgy -- i'm on the other face of the planet23:07
oscillikruskie: many thanks, that sorted it out23:07
crashanddiebut maemo extras and extras-devel is still down23:07
crashanddieMohammadAG: oh hang on, I don't need those do I?23:07
crashanddiebecause the servers hosting it are the Nokia ones, so completely different23:08
MohammadAGnope lol23:08
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MohammadAGnokia repos have always been up23:08
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woglindecrashanddie hm I installed libimlib223:09
woglindeso extras-devel is up for me23:09
MohammadAGcrashanddie, did an apt-get update, they're up23:10
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, thanks, will have a look23:10
crashanddiefor you -- not necessarily for me23:10
DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: then in settings enter '/home/user/.xchat2/' for *audio playback* program23:11
rom1depit's amazing how the maemo community is active and how oyou can find everything on the repos Oo23:11
DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: simple like that23:11
davygabout repo, still down ?23:12
woglindedavyg no23:12
* timeless_mbp updates crash-reporter23:12
davygwoglinde, ok thanks time to update then23:13
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teilzeitstudentIs there some guide somewhere detailing the theming mechanism of maemo? like..file syntaxes, locations, filename-to-application icon mapping etc? tried looking at some theme .debs, but that'd be mainly guesswork..23:14
Shrik3what's the correct package if I want to install python on my N810 (diablo)23:14
timeless_mbpteilzeitstudent: there's thememaker23:14
timeless_mbpwhich is what people typically use23:14
timeless_mbpit basically gives you a layout whicih you paint over23:15
Jaffacrashanddie: ping23:15
crashanddieJaffa: pong, but not for long23:15
teilzeitstudenttimeless_mbp, yea but I'm not so much interessted atmaking themes (they'd look horribly :>), know.. poking around23:15
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, what's the dbus for the led again?23:15
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MohammadAGcause my vib. is broken23:16
crashanddieyour vibrator is broken?23:16
MohammadAGn900 vibrator yes23:17
teilzeitstudentFor example, a simpler way to convert basic gnome, kde, freedesktop icon themes to maemo23:17
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MohammadAGcrashanddie, the way you asked that was a bit weird o.O23:17
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Jaffacrashanddie: Was just wondering about MWKN technologies.23:18
oscillikruskie: just one more question - where doe the gcoreutils install to?23:18
crashanddieJaffa: what about them?23:18
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: you probably need to find a way to send eventually though23:18
Jaffacrashanddie: If you had any preferences, if you wanted to be involved in the dev23:19
MohammadAGwell it stopped23:19
MohammadAGi ran the .sh outside xchat23:19
MohammadAGin terminal, as a test23:19
MohammadAGand it stopped23:19
ruskieoscillik, they are all in your path... just prefixed with g23:19
crashanddieJaffa: not Java, because we're going to be flying off Reggie's servers. So obviously PHP, prolly MySQL. You had a nice little lib you'd found regarding javascript foo23:19
MohammadAGthought it was infinite23:19
ruskieoscillik, you can do a dpkg -L gcoreutils to see a full list23:19
teilzeitstudentoscillik, if you have a .deb file, you can extract it, extract the "data.tar.gz" therein, that directory structure is the one used afaik23:20
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: me too23:20
ruskieteilzeitstudent, why go to all that trouble?23:20
crashanddieJaffa: that is for the interface, how we gather data is something else, maybe (and prolly) PHP isn't best adapter for that. And maybe we'll have to run it off somewhere else23:20
ruskieteilzeitstudent, dpkg --contents deb will list that as well ;)23:20
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: you may try different patern though23:20
oscillikruskie: thanks. colour LS now :D23:20
teilzeitstudentruskie, I always forget the commands, plus I do not use .debs normally :p23:20
crashanddieJaffa: I don't mind providing for an additional server that would run an aggregation bot23:20
ruskieteilzeitstudent, I don't as well23:20
ruskieteilzeitstudent, infact I don't use any binary distros really23:20
crashanddieif we go that way, haven't thought about it really23:20
oscillikteilzeitstudent: thanks for that additional info :)23:21
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, what's the play-sound for?23:21
ruskieoscillik, you can even alias ls=gls23:21
oscillikruskie: oh i totally shall23:21
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teilzeitstudentruskie, so..another gentoo user?23:21
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: o.O23:21
ruskieteilzeitstudent, not at all23:21