IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2010-01-17

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jebbaruied: you can't go there in a web browser or you can't use it as a deb src?  What "deb" line did you use?00:00
DocScrutinizerjebba: lists down. confirmed00:01
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: I put in action what you asked, unless the tmo thread changes to go towards finding a solution, I'm going to close it00:01
jebbadeb fremantle free        <---  ruied, like that00:01
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: re: maemo-community downpour00:01
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, it's funny that Off Topic threads don't show Thanks but still count existing ones.00:01
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: eh?00:02
Gadgetoidjebba yeah i was a dummy and left non-free in :)00:02
ruiedjebba: I can go there in web browser, added it to maemo catalogs but when I upate at my n900 i fails ("could not connect to repository....")00:02
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, the thread you moved still counts all the Thanks! I got, it just doesn't show them.00:02
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crashanddiewell, rightly so, no?00:02
jebbaruied: well if you can hit it in your browser, but not in your n900, something is just set up goofy in your n900.00:02
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles: just because people ruin a thread after you've posted shouldn't mean your post is suddenly bad00:03
wacklredeeman: hm, only found references to osso-media-server, which is running on the device00:03
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GeneralAntillescrashanddie, well, I think it should at least still show them.00:03
crashanddiegood point00:03
xorAxAxthe n900 is supposed to switch to the phone app when turning to portrait orientation, right? doesnt work for me. anybody have an idea?00:03
Gadgetoidthanks a butt-ton jebba... i got easy deb00:03
jebbaruied: do what Gadgetoid did  ;)00:03
javispedroxorAxAx: you have to enable that in the phone application -> menu -> orientation sensor settings (or something like that)00:03
javispedrobtw, morning00:04
xorAxAxjavispedro: thanks00:04
Gadgetoidruied if using app manager remove non-free00:04
Gadgetoidor it will fail the whole repo00:04
xorAxAxjavispedro: i was searching for it in the system preferences00:05
jebbaGadgetoid: can you take a screenshot and put it somewhere of HAM and my mirror? I'll put it up as an example on that page so people can use it with HAM  (just extras, not the others). If you have it set up with HAM that is.00:05
Gadgetoidjebba guess so :) i used extras-testing  but saved your mirror url in the description for emergencies00:06
Gadgetoidi changed it back- will do a screenie of extras00:06
fralsjebba: how much disk space does the extras mirror take?00:07
jebbafrals: 1 sec i'll du00:07
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: 29C this morning at 6.30AM00:08
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Gadgetoidwaah what is the print screen shortcut?00:08
jebbafrals: 23G total. Breakdown here:
Milo-Gadgetoid shift, meta p00:09
ruiedjebba hehe! I wrote "freemantle" instead of "fremantle"00:09
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fralsjebba: cheers00:09
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GeneralAntillescrashanddie, how's the humidity?00:09
Gadgetoidahhh gives me 20sec to cap anyeay but thanks Milo-00:10
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: not too bad today, only 80%00:10
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: friday it was around 98%00:10
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, sounds like FL00:10
crashanddieyeah, seriously humid, very sweaty for sure00:11
GeneralAntillesHow was the flight out?00:11
gavintimeless_mbp: microb is not firefox!00:12
crashanddieok, london to bangkok was delayed due to snow and heavy wind, but I had 3 seats to myself so managed to lie down and sleep through the whole way00:12
timeless_mbpgavin: customers are stupid.00:12
timeless_mbpso are managers00:12
timeless_mbpi have to deal with both00:12
gavinI don't really see how customers would ever make that leap00:12
* GeneralAntilles gives timeless_mbp a box of cookies.00:12
gavincustomers don't know that microb uses gecko00:12
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timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: do we have pictures of the n900 box?00:13
gavinand even if they did, going from that to naming it "firefox" is a pretty big leap00:13
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, we being? The Internet? Yes.00:13
gavinfennec, on the other hand, is branded "firefox"00:13
SpeedEvilgavin: it's all over the blogosphere00:14
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gavin"microb == firefox" is all over the blogosphere?00:14
SpeedEvilwell - it was00:14
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jebbadang, i was hoping I had a good explanation of TTLs here, but nope.  ( front: )00:15
SpeedEvilI recall before the announce of firefox00:15
gavinthat's news to me00:15
SpeedEvilthat I'd seen it several times.00:15
SpeedEvilI of course now can't find it.00:15
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GeneralAntillesgavin, I'm sad Fennec is now called Firefox. :(00:16
GeneralAntillesgavin, I really liked the Fennec icon.00:16
gavinthat article seems to make a pretty clear distinction between the two00:16
gavinGeneralAntilles: you can always use a nightly :)00:16
Gadgetoidjebba... like so?
jebbaGadgetoid: ya, like that, but i think the URL is wrong!  It just has extras, but its really like or somesuch00:18
timeless_mbpgavin: isn't AntiPhishing support in FF2 dead?00:18
jebbaisn't it? hehe00:18
Gadgetoidi fail00:19
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jebbatoo bad whole thing won't fit there00:19
Gadgetoidalthough the screenie would never fit it in doh00:19
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GeneralAntillesgavin, for a variety of reasons, I think it's a good idea for Mozilla to maintain two separate brands for the two, though.00:19
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jebbai guess it will just have to be a "hint"  Perhaps in red text i'll write over it with the full URL00:20
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jebbai could do this myself, but my n900 is *way over there* on the table *way over there*00:20
jebbaoh no. it's on this tabel. haha00:20
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jebbaGadgetoid: i'll do it.   i was being real lazy00:21
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woglinde_hm upstart file for speechdispatcher00:22
Gadgetoidcan redo anyway00:22
woglinde_I need to write00:22
jebbaGadgetoid: i added it. Thanks though. I'll want it there anyway.00:22
Gadgetoidjust love the fact i can do all of this ON the n90000:25
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VINCENT_are the repo extra and extra-devel still down ?00:25
SouBEwhat's wrong with
Gadgetoidwill have gimp up and unning soon too00:25
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Gadgetoidanyone know how much headroom the easydebian image has?00:27
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles: it's never been so hard to find an estate agency open on a sunday... everything's open on sundays in London :(00:28
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jophishI wonder how hard it would be to generate a cubemap from the front and back camera data, perhaps updating in real time.00:31
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Gadgetoidjophish.... waaaah?00:32
jebbaVINCENT_: mirror here: :
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jophishGadgetoid, just my brain idling.00:33
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oscillikanyone know if changing the hostname on the N900 would break something?00:34
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Gadgetoidjebba you're officially king of #maemo today00:34
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RST38hhehe, I know why tap paging does not work very well in FBReader00:35
RST38hkonttori: Around?00:35
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Gadgetoidwell that's now linked on my desktop00:35
jebbalets see. Lost mail on mailing list move. Lost bugs on bugzilla move. Server down on repo move. Hmm.00:36
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redRST38h: why is that?00:36
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_cedarhi all00:36
SpeedEvilRST38h: worked OK when I set pressure to anything under - IIRC 800:36
_cedarso i assume is down is as well?00:37
Gadgetoidtap paging is irrelevant... although using the rocker means holding your n900 upsidedown00:37
SpeedEvilGadgetoid: no, it's not.00:37
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RevdKathyGoodnight all00:37
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SpeedEvilGadgetoid: there are any number of positions where holding the n900 is uncomfortable - especially for long periods - if you have to hold your thumb over the buttons.00:38
RST38hSpeedEvil: Well, the thing will tap-scroll on anything it does not consider a stylus click00:38
RST38hSpeedEvil: but the touch screen is too insensitive to distinguish between stylus and finger clicks00:38
RST38hhence the problem00:38
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RST38hThe two bounds that you set in config actually determine the STYLUS CLICK range00:39
GadgetoidSpeedEvil .. the n810 remains close to my heart as made for fbreader00:39
RST38hSo tap scrolling happens on any value OUTSIDE these bounds00:39
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SpeedEvilWhy else would you touch the screen?00:39
_cedardoes anyone have the flasher-3.5 they could send me?00:39
RST38hAll right, probably the only guy who can enlighten me on this is konttori and he is asleep00:39
ShadowJK_hm, ogg-support including dependencies is nearly 2.5 megs not optified00:40
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GadgetoidRST38h i thought the finger/stylus tap issue was already known00:42
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blandarsad the duplicate MyDocs entries persist00:43
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* javispedro finally sees an n900 "on the wild"00:49
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jebbas/on/in  btw i think you mena00:49
jebbamean  :)00:49
woglinde_hi javis00:49
SpeedEvilOr maybe...00:50
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Gadgetoidi will need a new phone if i see anyone else with an n900 round these parts00:50
javispedrohi wog00:50
Gadgetoidfortunately the Pandora has some assured uniqueness00:51
SpeedEvilIf you want unique, I have a neo197300:51
Gadgetoidmy palm m500 arrived today00:51
javispedrothe owner was downloading pr1.1... right on a mall.00:51
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Gadgetoidjavispedo ... in a mall?00:52
* torindel throws neo freerunner at SpeedEvil 00:52
Gadgetoidon a mall? did you tell him not to jump?00:53
blandaryaay javispedro.  awesome speed on drnok00:53
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* torindel throws "almost working" android, gentoo, debian, fso neo install media at SpeedEvil00:53
blandarmappable diagonals soon please00:53
Gadgetoidhas drnok been updatified lately?00:54
* DocScrutinizer throws Openmoko GTA03 prototype boards ar SpeedEvil and torindel00:54
* torindel evades00:54
blandarpr1.1 speeds it up a lot00:54
javispedronot, but I plan to do so now that my final exam week is over00:54
Gadgetoidreally blandar? i will have to reinstall it00:54
VINCENT_can anyone help my / is out of diskspace how can i solve this00:54
javispedroblandar: which build are you using?00:54
javispedroso, 1.2.500:55
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: there were protos made?00:55
javispedrothe one using h-r-t. no flicker?00:55
torindelSpeedEvil: yes00:55
GadgetoidVincent_ stop installing shit from devel00:55
* SpeedEvil hadn't been keeping up on those discussions.00:55
blandarno flicker noticed00:55
torindelSpeedEvil: you have neo or just seen it?00:55
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blandarsuperfast fullscreen00:55
DocScrutinizereven working prototype devices. exactly 3 afaik00:55
SpeedEviltorindel: I have one.00:55
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: I guess that's the ultimate in rarity.00:56
javispedroblandar: it is still slower than the uncomposited build I threw somewhere some time ago (at least on PR1.01!)00:56
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: (once you smash the other two)00:56
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DocScrutinizerall three are at werner in .ar afaik00:56
VINCENT_hmm oke i was trying out something00:56
redVINCENT_: shouldn't use devel stuff if you don't know how to manage diskspace for one00:56
blandarahh?  chrono trigger 28-30 fps and visually smooth.  but sometimes i get excited and misremember real speed from last month00:57
redthey can end up eating space/battery/bricking your phone00:57
DocScrutinizerI only have protoboards of an early stage00:57
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Gadgetoideven i've turned devel off for now... i think things are going to start moving along to extras nicely now00:58 customs has my neo still  :(00:59
javispedro:( is down too.00:59
SpeedEviljebba: :/00:59
Guest41864what's .ar ?00:59
jebba argentina00:59
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Knightczand what's neo? :)01:00
jebbaneo1973, the openmoko fone01:00
MaemohammadAGanyone else having 302 errors on -devel?01:00
fralsMaemohammadAG: repos down01:00
Knightczhmm answer makes another question.. what's openmoko? :)01:00
MaemohammadAGoh ok, ty01:00
jebbaMaemohammadAG:  mirror here:
jebbaKnightcz: wikipedia that one01:01
DocScrutinizerjebba: you got a gta01??01:01
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jebbaDocScrutinizer i ordered from the first public batch, but never got it (the devel hardware testkit thing too).  Got hung up in argentine customs and i just gave up.01:02
jebbai loathe customs.01:02
DocScrutinizerKnightcz: wiki.openmoko.org01:02
Knightczy, I see01:02
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DocScrutinizerjebba: ohh shit01:02
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blubbihi all01:03
jebbaDocScrutinizer this like 1.5 years 2 years ago?  Forever ago. That thing is long gone by now.01:03
blubbidoes anyone know ich mechanize for python is available?01:03
blubbiif not, is it complicated to package it?01:03
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DocScrutinizerjebba: 2 years01:04
lardman|homeanyone know if dh_link's package.links file can accept wildcards?01:05
ivan4thuseful note: to make ssh snappier, it's possible to turn WiFi power saving off temporarily using the following command: iwconfig wlan0 power off01:05
jebbaivan4th: thx :)01:05
ivan4th(package wireless-tools)01:06
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MaemohammadAGthanks jebba01:06
javispedroon the n810, libicd-network-wlan constantly fiddled with that setting though01:07
jebbaMaemohammadAG: cool. glad it works for you. Already getting a number of hits..01:07
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blandarjavispedro, have you gotten a single non-us rover.sys from users yet?01:08
fdvah. topic01:08
blandarty ivan4th !01:08
javispedroblandar: nope. though I guess I should do a sample one with fn'd arrows.01:09
jebbafdv:  Mirror01:10
blandari have uk kbd and it works fine01:10
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blandarjavispedro - is your drnoksnes screen drawing usable for dosbox,  or complex because of many resolutions01:11
javispedroblandar: it's usable, though ugly01:12
lardman|homemm, Qtoctave looks useful01:12
blandarok.  the losing mouse when going over edge is more important atm01:12
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blandarand the clicking on stylus tap could be somehow suspended by held key or toggle01:13
ulewusorry, is a german maemo channal here?01:14
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javispedrolardman: dh_link doesn't seem to support wildcards.01:17
lardman|homeno, I noticed that, have given up and gone back to the postinst script01:18
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lardman|homethanks for looking though01:19
* javispedro has nothing to do since he had some time to reflash n900 but has found tablets-dev is down :(01:20
lardman|homewell if you're that bored, you could try getting lapack to compile... ;)01:20
javispedrofortran??? :(01:21
fdvjebba: thanks01:21
lardman|homeoh yeah! :)01:21
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lardman|homehmm, I see numpy comes with its own version of lapack, perhaps that would work better (as numpy is one of the goals here)....01:22
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lardman|homeballs, damn repos down01:24
lardman|homewhy are the repos down?01:24
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microlithisp screwup apparently01:24
jebbalardman|home:  Mirror01:25
lardman|homewhat's the flag to make dpkg-buildpackage ignore deps?01:25
lardman|homethanks jebba, but am about to head for bed, can't face fiddling with my apt setup atm01:25
infobotno worries, lardman|home01:25
lardman|homethanks chaps, will see if numpy will compile without some python-dbg packages01:26
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GeneralAntillesThat ISP is fail.01:26
ulewudoes anyone know when the repos will be online again?01:27
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javispedro~seen Firebird01:28
infobotfirebird <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 23d 20h 49m 48s ago, saying: 'julianoliver, look at step seven:'.01:28
jebbaulewu:  Mirror01:28
ulewuha... cool01:28
javispedrojebba: I guess you will end up putting that URL on the topic tonight :)01:28
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, I can probably dig him up for you if you need him.01:29
ulewuu could put that in the channal-topic01:29
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jebbajavispedro: heh.  feel free to do so if you have ops01:30
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javispedroGeneralAntilles: na, thanks. I'll get to him via garage.01:31
javispedrojebba: everyone can change the topic iirc.01:31
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jebbaya, i guess so01:32
lardman|home~lart whoever uploaded python-numpy to Debian sid, looks like it can't be compiled01:33
* infobot executes killall -HUP whoever uploaded python-numpy to Debian sid, looks like it can't be compiled01:33
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lardman|homeor at least not without deleting the diff.gz, tar.gz and dsc files anyway01:35
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woglinde_whats the error?01:37
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lardman|homecannot represent changes to source (lots of .pyo files)01:37
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lardman|homedrat, looks like python-dbg is needed afterall01:38
woglinde_seems her forgot too make clean right01:38
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woglinde_should be easy to add01:38
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lardman|homeyep seems so01:39
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lardman|homeI couldn't get ./debian/rules clean to work though01:39
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woglinde_I could look at it if you want01:40
lardman|homecan I upload it tomorrow?01:41
woglinde_dont know01:41
lardman|homeOtherwise just try grabbing the python-numpy package from debian sid01:41
woglinde_I want finish navit oo01:41
lardman|homego for that, the cleaning bit is not high priority, would just be nice01:41
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lardman|homejebba: The version of python in your repo is older than that I have installed for some reason01:42
woglinde_but I am fighting with speech-dispatcher right now01:43
woglinde_lardman I want git-buildpackage too01:43
lardman|homeah, extras-testing01:43
woglinde_but some python-coolmake-doc packages have circular depence01:44
woglinde_thats fun01:44
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lardman|homeno -dbg packages :(01:44
woglinde_~lard all maintainers not using quilt01:45
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woglinde_~lart all maintainers not using quilt01:45
* infobot beats all maintainers not using quilt to within 2.54cm of his life01:45
lardman|homephew, in extras-devel01:45
jebbalardman|home: maybe you installed one from -devel and you just enabled the extras mirror?01:46
lardman|homeyeah, looks like it01:46
jebbalardman|home: what version do you have?01:47
* jebba hearts quilt01:47
javispedrowoglinde_: here's to hoping someone gets a masterplan for developing, testing, publishing and getting uploaded to the autobuilder a new debian sbox devkit :)01:48
lardman|homehmm, some sort of error. Any thoughts? :
lardman|homejavispedro: +101:48
lardman|homeah, fakeroot!01:49
lardman|hometoo late in the evening01:49
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* timeless_mbp looks for someone who cares about English01:49
Targetanyone know when dosbox keyboard layout will be fixed?01:49
javispedroTarget: what?01:50
DangerMauslol timeless_mbp01:50
timeless_mbpDangerMaus: ??01:50
DangerMauscares bout english on irc?01:50
DangerMausnot likely01:50
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timeless_mbpyou'd be surprised01:51
w00ttimeless_mbp: try me01:51
timeless_mbp"Stream already saved as Blah Blah Black Sheep"01:51
timeless_mbpw00t: open media player, tap the third picture01:51
w00tone moment01:51
timeless_mbptap any item in the list01:51
timeless_mbptap the title area01:51
timeless_mbptap the Save... button01:51
* timeless_mbp sighs01:52
timeless_mbpin general, error messages are an indication of a dumb user interface designers01:52
w00tthis is FM radio, right?01:52
w00ter.. sorry, not feeling well01:52
w00tanyway, assuming it is, I have no save option on the title menu01:53
Targetjavispedro, the dos emulator for the N900, the keyboard layout is messed up01:53
DangerMaushehe error for something already saved... lol01:53
w00tFM transmitter, add radio bookmark01:53
Targetjavispedro, can't enter numeric etc01:53
timeless_mbpw00t: ok, add radio bookmark01:53
lardman|homewhoa, python builds are messy, judging by this one anyway01:53
javispedroTarget: ah, you haven't read about rover.sys?01:53
Targeterrr, I guess not? :-)01:53
TargetI'll go google, thx for the hint01:53
w00tstream already bookmarked under 'blah blah blah'01:53
timeless_mbpw00t: right01:53
w00tit seems a ..bit retarded that it offered me the option to bookmark something that is already bookmarked01:54
w00t'remove from bookmarks' would be more useful01:54
DangerMausor save something that is already saved01:54
Targetjavispedro, thanks for the info, I think I'll get it working now :)01:54
lardman|homehmm, curious, it just built quite happily01:54
lardman|homewell that's good news anyway01:55
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corecodeseems newegg never shipped my phone :/01:56
DangerMauslike edit how its saved but not just a save button that then spews an error timeless_mbp01:56
timeless_mbpw00t: i'm going to file a bug about add01:56
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timeless_mbpif you want to file a bug asking for edit or delete01:56
timeless_mbpyou can01:56
corecodeanybody have reasonable prices in europe?01:56
timeless_mbpbut that requires too much intelligence for these people01:56
lardman|homebed time, night all01:56
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timeless_mbpcorecode: very funny01:56
timeless_mbpthis is Europe you're talking about, right?01:56
timeless_mbp... very funny01:57
corecodeis it that nokia is selling the phones in europe at a higher price?01:57
corecodeor do dealers just take more?01:57
corecodemm dell is selling it for $53001:57
timeless_mbpcorecode: Europe has this thing called VAT01:58
corecodei'm in switzerland01:58
corecodenot really much01:58
timeless_mbpwhich generally is much higher than the thing we call Sales Tax in the USA01:58
SpeedEviltimeless: t's not really only that.01:58
timeless_mbpthen there's the Currency Conversion01:58
timeless_mbpand Cost of Living01:58
timeless_mbpthe Euro is more valuable01:59
corecodeand free shipping01:59
timeless_mbpand there's the market factor01:59
timeless_mbpif someone tried to sell a phone in the USA for 1500 USD01:59
timeless_mbpno one would buy it01:59
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corecodei wonder whether they would ship to europe01:59
javispedro.. eBay?01:59
timeless_mbpcorecode: you'll probably need to pay import duty :)01:59
corecodetimeless_mbp: that's alright, still quite cheap01:59
timeless_mbpcorecode: i'm not saying you shouldn't ;-)02:00
SpeedEvilThe nokia n900 is 499 pounds sterling.02:00
corecodeoh god02:00
w00tthat also means shipping back to US if you have problems, though02:00
* Xisdibik buys the 1500 USD phone just because... it would be 1500 USD of awesome?02:00
corecodew00t: yea02:00
corecodenewegg fucked up02:00
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SpeedEvilWhich is $645 - US dollars - taking off the tax02:01
corecodewhy are there no US stores that mail to europe02:01
SpeedEvilThat is the price02:01
SpeedEvil(with free ship)02:01
KenYoungIs there anyone online who is familiar with the process for registering ssh public keys for a maemo garage account?02:02
jebbaKenYoung: i've done it02:03
corecodei think doesn't even sell phones02:03
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GeneralAntillescorecode, because it's a waste of time and effort?02:04
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GeneralAntillescorecode, you realize VAT makes up most of the price difference?02:04
KenYoungjebba, I've received an invitation to become a maintainer of the maemo extras repository, however, when I enter my public keys, I get re-directed to the same page, headed with the message "this should not happen".   Do you have any idea what I may have done wrong?02:05
corecodepossibly, but i'm living in a low-vat country02:05
jebbaKenYoung: probably garage is down right now. Lots of server brokenness right "now"  (now being between right now and october)02:06
corecodeso buying in germany doesn't help me unless the dealer actually does not charge the vat02:06
KenYoungjebba, Do you know if they will be posting an "All Clear" message anywhere, or if they are explaining their progress on the move somewhere?   Does the server move seem to have become stalled?02:07
jebbaKenYoung:      sometimes has info. Or in or here.02:07
KenYoungjebba, Thanks for the pointers!02:08
jebba  is a thread about the work. Not much for current updates though02:08
jebbathough all qaiku updates are from yesterday.  Lots of times if things break on the weekends they are broken all weekend.02:09
smpscorecode, i ordered mine from for 600eur i dont think you'll find cheaper right now02:10
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SpeedEvilAnyone in the UK ordered from through topcashback?02:11
SpeedEvilI'm wondering if anyones had their cashback yet.02:11
SpeedEvilSupposed to usually take a couple of months02:11
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corecodesmps: outrageous02:14
corecodesmps: also, doesn't ship to .ch02:14
smpscorecode, hmm how sure are you ?02:15
DocScrutinizercorecode: (VAT) afaik there's some procedure to get back VAT for devices that get exported02:15
woglinde_~lart the flite maintainer02:16
* infobot hereby declares the flite maintainer a troll02:16
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DocScrutinizercorecode: dealer issues a special paper stating the VAT and with this paper you reclaim VAT from customs02:16
smpsi was refreshing one thread on and it redirected me to <- wtf ?02:16
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corecodeDocScrutinizer: i don't really live close to any german customs agency02:19
corecodesmps: 100%02:19
corecodesmps: only ships books02:19
corecodesmps: no electronics02:19
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smpscorecode, france ?02:21
redrofl at an advertizement in one podcast02:22
red"I don't know about you, but I'm a huge hockey fan, and so is my friend Allison. We were gonna start a blog about the Stanley Cup and went to and tried to registed Two Girls One Cup dot com.... it was taken.. "02:23
redand in the end  she says "please.. please don't go to two girls one cup dot com.. its not about hockey."02:23
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corecodesmps: neither i think02:24
svanheulenred: I eat a chocolate candy bar every morning while watching that video02:24
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redso did those girls02:28
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javispedrooh hi Firebird02:31
javispedroI might want to work a bit on that SDL 1.3 port... specially adding a way to select between 2.0 and 1.0 GLES surface, possibly adding a stub renderer for 2.0, and adding some fremantle specific stuff.02:33
javispedroyou're working on it? got a N900?02:33
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nihil000hi to all02:35
yuizyjavispedro: someone told me that you could know how to get VGB run faster?02:35
yuizyis there any way to do that?02:35
javispedroyuizy: other than upgrading to 1.1, none that I know of.02:36
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woglinde_finally I batteld speech-dispatcher down02:41
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blandarsounds fun woglinde_02:43
woglinde_yeah fun with packaging02:43
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woglinde_but should work now either with espeak or flite02:44
woglinde_now I have to shapen navit02:44
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MohammadAGsBoyfrMohammadAG you here sweetheart ?02:49
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tux900wtf is wrong with him02:49
matthew-sex drugs and rock n roll !02:49
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tybollthookers and ... nokia cell phones!02:50
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DangerMaushoes and phones gotta love it02:51
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matthew-hoes and drugs02:51
matthew-and music02:51
matthew-and guiness02:51
tybolltmmmh yes guiness02:51
bfreethe only Guinness worth drinking is in Ireland :-D  and even here better to go to the Porter House and try the Wrasslers stout instead ;-)02:53
matthew-bfree: well it's same ;d02:54
ifreqbetter stay on  rom :-P02:54
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bfreemathew-: what's the same?  the Guinness?  the draught Guinness outside Ireland is nothing close to the same.  I never managed to even get half way through a pint of it in the UK in about 20 attempts in as many pubs :-(  they adapt the recipe to the local market02:57
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tybolltbfree: Really? I've had guinness in sweden, norway, denmark, england, canada, malaysia (!), thailand and couple other places - I've to say it all tasted pretty much the same02:58
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bfreetybollt: yep.  I don't know how many variants they have, but can say with 100% certainty the UK recipe is "adapted to the local market" (have relatives who worked in Guinnesses who warned me before I moved there, I didn't believe them until I tried to drink it)03:01
tybolltProbably takes an irishman to taste the difference: )03:02
bfreeand I grew to love Guinness drinking some of the worst in the country in a dingy sports club so I'll drink any muck here :-p03:04
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bfreebut to say something on topic, I failed to get the wmlbrowser addon to install in fennec/firefox (had to start with editing prefs.js to ignore version checks just to get it to really try)03:09
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bfreeso any clues to getting a wap/wml browser working still welcome ;-)03:10
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GeneralAntillespema, trouble at the ISP.03:13
pemadam, well looks like i picked a bad day to flash my n81003:13
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pemano trouble at all03:13
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svanheulenmake that news not new03:16
pemathanks svanheulen03:16
KenYoungsvanheulen, That page is 404 for me.03:16
svanheulentupo, sorry03:16
* svanheulen hands fail03:17
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svanheulenthat's the one, heh03:18
pemanews eh you missed the south, North - East - West - South03:19
pemait's the sun cross03:19
pemaoh well, good luck with fixing the repo, look forward to reinstalling the apps on my n810, thanks for all your hard work guys!03:21
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bfreewhy not do something like setup a wildcard dns on * and point country codes to local mirrors (e.g. ca, us and mx might point to a us mirror), publish an apt-spy compatible list of mirrors and promote it as "speed up your repo access" to spread the load and make it easier to work around a broken machine (drop it's dns records and let the wildcard take over it's load)?  either way no mirror(s) seems a bit brave/silly03:21
GeneralAntillesbfree, there's an Akamai cache.03:22
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bfreeGeneralAntilles: thanks for the insight. I guess that makes it messy to make it more resilient (but should let it handle load easier when it's ok)03:25
tadthebuilderim out of the loop, has there been any progress on mer?03:27
tadthebuilderim still chilling with an n800 that isnt collecting dust but could be more useful03:27
tadthebuilder(with no money to buy an n900)03:28
GeneralAntillestadthebuilder, drivers are still being worked on.03:29
GeneralAntillestadthebuilder, they're running and working, but there's still some framebuffer weirdness to work around.03:29
GeneralAntilles5.1 introduced some more stuff to figure out, too.03:29
tadthebuilderI can understand that03:30
GeneralAntillesSo, not a huge amount of progress lately.03:30
tadthebuilderwhats the best way to keep up with mer?03:30
GeneralAntillesHoliday and whatnot are no help. ;)03:30
infobotit has been said that mer is, or on #mer03:30
GeneralAntillesand #mer03:30
tadthebuilderi only checked the forum03:30
tadthebuilderand nothing was going on03:30
tadthebuilderthough it might have been dead03:30
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GeneralAntillestadthebuilder, have a good holiday?03:30
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tadthebuilderI did I did03:31
tadthebuilderit was really nice.03:31
GeneralAntillesYep, had a nice quiet one with the immediate family.03:31
tadthebuilderyeah same here03:32
tadthebuilderbeen really busy of course, Christmas time is a very busy time in my profession03:32
tadthebuilderso you still really liking your n900?03:33
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GeneralAntillesI can imagine. ;)03:34
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GeneralAntillesMy slide has gone another fraction of a mm more crooked03:34
GeneralAntillesBut the latest update really sped the software up.03:34
tadthebuilderthats pretty cool03:34
tadthebuilderbut the big question, worth the price tag?03:34
GeneralAntillesWell, dunno, it's a September 09 proto. ;)03:34
GeneralAntillesI picked up a DDP device for about $370 that my roommate is currently using.03:35
GeneralAntillesBut, even though I haven't PERSONALLY parted with $500+, I'd say it's worth the price.03:35
tadthebuilderim still waiting for a cheap one from someone who got confused by it to show up on ebay haha03:36
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tadthebuilderin the next month or so ill be closing on a house so I cant make any big spends.03:37
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GeneralAntillesCool, congrats.03:38
GeneralAntilles(I'd bet you'll be able to find them for around $400 after February)03:38
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tadthebuildermaybe, might get one for my wife...and hope and pray she doesnt like just kidding that would be aweful03:39
tadthebuilderlukc in here?03:40
GeneralAntillesProbably abed03:41
GeneralAntillesYou're guaranteed that she'll like it.03:41
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tadthebuilderwell there are a few people out there that dont like it03:42
tadthebuilderthough she liked my n800 and begged for it for a little while03:42
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GeneralAntillesNormal people, by and large, seem to love it.03:43
tadthebuilderunless they have been infested with the Icannotuseawebbrowserineedanappacitus03:44
SpeedEvilRandom - the motherboard seems not to be an available spare in any of the vendors I've seen.03:44
SpeedEvilIs it simply you've got to buy a new phone if that dies - if you need one?03:44
tadthebuilderive never heard of anyone replacing a mother board on a phone before03:45
tadthebuilderim satisfied with the ability to change a battery03:45
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uhsfI was thinking about buying a second battery for the Nokia N900 but Mugen Power is working on Extended Battery for N900 and will be releasing a 2300-2400mAh battery in February 2010 so I will wait for this instead.03:47
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* jebba hearts netdepot.com03:48
SpeedEviltadthebuilder: yeah - I was just idly wondering about spares policy.03:48
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uhsfMotorola Shadow Google Nexus Two really has nothing on the Nokia N900.03:49
tadthebuilderwell if everything had a spare you could make your own n900 that worked on different freqeuncies.03:49
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SpeedEviltadthebuilder: well - it's not that simple.03:53
SpeedEviltadthebuilder: As you'd need to write custom firmware for the modem. Which is undocumented.03:53
tadthebuilderah true03:53
SpeedEviltadthebuilder: and almost certainly requires signed code updates.03:53
tadthebuilderforgot about the software part03:53
tadthebuilderand if your going to go to all that trouble03:53
tadthebuilderyou probably have way to much time on your hands03:54
SpeedEvilI'm wondering about stuff like adding a compass and a gyro - which is an almost trivial mod.03:54
tadthebuilderthat could be interesting03:54
tadthebuilderi see the compass as being more useful than the gyro03:54
tadthebuilderbut I could be wrong03:54
SpeedEviltrue - but both is as easy as one.03:55
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SpeedEvil(as they are both hooked to the same power source and I2C)03:55
tadthebuilderthat would void your warranty03:55
SpeedEvilwell - yes.03:55
tadthebuilderi dont like to work with hardware that small03:56
tadthebuilderim afraid id break something03:56
tadthebuilderim fine with desktops03:56
tadthebuilderim okay with laptops03:56
tadthebuildernetbooks and below scare me03:56
bfree2300-2400mAh sounds good but not sure it's worth a new back making the device bigger though :-/03:57
SpeedEvilIt does take a steady hand, and a good magnifying lens.03:57
SpeedEvilMuch of the power gain may be gotten to some degree by software.03:58
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GeneralAntillesbfree, probably better just carrying a spare in your back pocket or something. ;)03:59
SpeedEvilIf it supported suspend-disk, that'd be a no-brainer.03:59
GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, wish we could get them to put a fatcap in there for battery swaps.04:00
SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: well - yes.04:00
SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: but software is free04:01
SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: plus - you'd have to put it in lowest power mode with everything disabled04:01
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DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: that would have to be such a fat goldcap you probably would like to consider diferent ways to achieve that functionality04:04
bfreeI wonder if it can't run on a charger/usb with no battery?   but maybe a 2nd external battery to provide charging over usb would do (me anyway)04:05
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer, at the lowest power consumption the damn thing uses next to nothing.04:05
GeneralAntillesbfree, don't think it's wired up like that04:05
GeneralAntillesThough I've had Mer try to continue booting from the charger after dropping the battery out.04:06
GeneralAntillesOn my N80004:06
DocScrutinizeryep. but how to make *sure* it doesn't leave that lowest state during swap04:06
SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: gold caps are orders of magnitude less dense than the battery04:06
SpeedEvilenergy dense04:06
tadthebuildergoodnight all04:07
tadthebuildersleep time04:07
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SpeedEvilAssuming it's discharging at a rate which will drain the battery in 50h - for a 10s swap - you're looking at on the order of a 5V .1F cap.04:07
DocScrutinizerwell that's not too bad04:08
GeneralAntilles50h is really short.04:08
DocScrutinizerI doubt your calculation though04:08
GeneralAntillesThe N800 could run for about 30 days on a 1500mA battery at approximately the lowest consumption rate04:09
SpeedEvil1200mAh/50h = 25mA. 25mA*8s or so = 200mAs04:09
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GeneralAntillesOMAP3 has way better idle powersaving than OMAP204:09
bfreebah, now I'm getting tempted to try and quickly remove/replace the battery while my N900 is on the charger ;-)04:09
GeneralAntillesTurn off the radios. . . .04:09
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: you can't discharge 5->0V04:09
SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: yes - if it's implemented in the same ways - IIRC the 800 did suspend04:09
crashanddieSpeedEvil: 0.1F is pretty massive of a cap though04:09
GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, didn't.04:10
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizerno - I was assuming a volt04:10
GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, that was at regular idle.04:10
GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, turned on, ready to be used at the tap of the screen.04:10
SpeedEvilAnd today I diddn't get round to finishing my current measury thing as I was fixing the cupboard under the sink to make it mouseproof.04:10
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go1dfishthat's rather annoying04:13
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grishnav1what the hell?04:13
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grishnav1no ops?04:14
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sheepbat#emacs was getting this crap eaclier04:14
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grishnavwe need an op04:15
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GeneralAntillesLove Freenode04:15
sheepbatsomeone needs to make the place invite only temporarily04:15
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles: set +r04:15
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DocScrutinizerneed to check my chans04:15
woglinde_seems a larger attack against freenode04:16
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crashanddieservers dying all over04:16
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villagerhmm, guess I haven't added flood protection my irc client04:16
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crashanddieyour IRC client doesn't protect you from flood -- this is just people joining and leaving, haven't started talking yet04:17
crashanddieanyone can get disconnected04:17
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bfreeok, N900 definitely isn't wired up like that ;-)  though it managed to vibrate when the battery was yanked so _maybe_ if that was disabled and it was in a low enough power state and you could switch battery quick enough :-p04:17
go1dfishthere was a notice posted on freenode earlier today04:17
GeneralAntillesbfree, the big problem is that the device can draw more current than the charger can provide.04:17
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blizzowAnyone here have problems with the N900 headphones?  The earbuds with the integrated jack are failing on me.  Grrrr.04:18
grishnavwhere was it posted?04:18
blizzowI just got this thing three weeks ago.04:18
go1dfishthere are bots posting urls, that cause a web based storm of some sort04:18
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go1dfishgrishnav: as a notice04:18
yuizyblizzow: i have it too04:18
grishnavgo1dfish: oh, right, duh04:18
DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: yep. but not if you don't vibrate ot tx on GSM04:18
grishnavgo1dfish: is there any way to retrieve them after they've been sent?04:18
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yuizyblizzow: have you tested other headphones?04:18
DocScrutinizerand shut down backlight04:18
smpsGeneralAntilles, charger is rated at 1200mA04:18
blizzowIf I use regular earbuds it works fine.  But earbuds with an integrated Mic die.04:18
yuizyexactly the same problem04:19
go1dfishgrishnav: I don't know of a way sorry, I can paste the one I received here though if noone minds04:19
yuizyhappened after upgrading to 1.104:19
grishnavgo1dfish: or send it to me04:19
go1dfish09:46 -LoRez(i=lorez@freenode/staff/lorez)- [Global Notice] Again, for those that haven't been around, don't click the links that are being spammed into channels.  You will turn your browser into  several IRC drones and subsequently get yourself banned from the network.  ChanOps, I suggest making use of the +r or +R chanmodes ( ).04:20
blizzowyuizy: have you contacted nokia about it?04:20
yuizythe problem occurred only couple of days ago04:20
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SpeedEvil - in principle - but it's huuuuge04:20
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bfreeI just closed everything and disabled wifi (so it was inactive on 3g network).  but the fact it vibrated when it lost the battery says to me it has some capacity04:22
blizzowyuizy: me too.04:22
blizzowThat's a bummer.04:22
bfreethe charger was obviously pointless though04:23
yuizyblizzow: have you upgraded to 1.1?04:23
SpeedEvilIf the charger was connected - it's not quite clear that the energy came from caps - not charger.04:24
blizzowyuizy: yeah I did two days ago, but the problem didn't start until today.04:24
SpeedEvilwithout circuit diagrams.04:24
SpeedEvilAnd much annoyuing reading of source04:24
grishnavwonder who in this channel got the virus :p04:24
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bfreehmmm, will I try again without the charger connected ... I don't know, maybe :-p04:25
yuizytry plugging the headphones slowly04:25
yuizyso that you hear some sound in the middle of plugging04:25
yuizyand then plug them copmletely04:25
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GeneralAntillesHey, kloeri.04:25
blizzowI haven't dropped it or anything.  If I really mess with the headphones and press them sideways a few times., it works fine and sounds good.  But then when I unplug them and re-plug them in it works.04:25
blizzowIt sounds like we have the exact same issue.04:25
SpeedEvilThe phone connector is not soldered to the PCB04:26
kloerihiya GeneralAntilles04:26
SpeedEvilIt is connected by a spring.04:26
SpeedEvilif this is dirty, the above can happen.04:26
yuizythat's weird04:27
SpeedEvilOn the other hand - it means that it's much harder to break the phone irretrievably by banging the headphone jack04:27
blizzowSpeedEvil: it works with regular headphones, just not the funky connector that's used for headphones with an integrated mic.04:28
matthew-Is there some ToDo widget ?04:28
blizzowI don't think it's dirty.04:28
matthew-there was ToDo on all symbian mobiles before...04:28
SpeedEvilblizzow: do you have a case on it?04:28
blizzowSpeedEvil: no, it started happening a couple of hours ago.04:29
blizzowI'm going to wait until Monday and maybe stop by the Nokia headquarters in Mountain View California.04:29
blizzowThis N900 was a replacement for my second N97 replacement.04:29
blizzowI really like the N900 a lot (unlike the N97)04:30
matthew-blizzow: Im really sorry to say, but Nokias HQ is not in Mountain View.04:30
matthew-It's not even close04:30
SpeedEvilDoes it have a view of, or from a mountain?04:30
matthew-Bah, its not even American HQ in Mountan View California.04:30
* SpeedEvil has a poor knowledge of .fi's geography.04:30
matthew-SpeedEvil: I think he just wantes to sound cool.04:30
DocScrutinizermatthew-: the maemo HW HQ might though04:31
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matthew-DocScrutinizer: nope.04:31 is pretty flat, no mountains here04:31
yuizythere's no mountains in finland04:31
matthew-It used to be in Irving04:31
matthew-but they moved to Miami04:31
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matthew-Never, ever in history in California ;d04:31
matthew-ever ever ever even.04:32
zashwatup with the caps?04:32
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matthew-zash: What caps ?04:32
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DocScrutinizerwell there was a job offer which said 'mountain view'04:32
matthew-blizzow: So, I think you got conned if you got your n900 from California.04:33
* zash looks questioning towards SpeedEvil04:33
matthew-DocScrutinizer: Oh there are offices there, and they do a bit of RnD there.04:33
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matthew-i think the NPI's are there too04:33
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SpeedEvilzash: discussion of what sort of cap would be needed to do backup while battery change.04:33
matthew-but more from software side.04:33
matthew-DocScrutinizer: New Product Introduction04:33
zashSpeedEvil: cool04:34
* ivan4th got ffcall tests pass after working around horrible miscompilation issue with Maemo's gcc 4.2.1. Next step: CLISP+CFFI; next: CL-GTK2; next: Common Lisp bindings for Hildon? Maybe CommonQt after that?..04:35
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ElleoI just realised that big companies should really start having their buildings constructed to look like their logos from above for better google maps exposure04:36
matthew-blizzow: yes, i've been there.04:36
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: what you need isn't a goldcap. You need a fancy little plastic and copper contacs rails gadget to temporarily connect 2 bats concurrently04:36
grishnavElleo: that would make it really expensive to change your logo04:36
matthew-Fairchild drive.04:36
matthew-blizzow: still not a HQ04:36
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: or 3 bats, and a USB lead.04:37
bfreeno vibrate when yanking battery while off the charger, so much for that theory ;-)04:37
matthew-BTW. does your device vibrate differently ?04:37
matthew-on different ocasions?:D04:37
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: what I thought of is basically a means to swap bat in "zero time"04:38
matthew-blizzow: What are you googling for now?04:38
blizzowwhy people with small dicks are trolls?04:40
matthew-You tell us :-)04:40
blizzow'cause I have a small dick, dumbass.04:41
matthew-Ah, ok.04:41
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GeneralAntillesHighlight me if the spam comes back.04:41
matthew-blizzow: Well, condolences. But next time please get your facts right.04:41
matthew-GeneralAntilles: +r ?04:42
matthew-as in to registered users?04:42
matthew-Didnt they change to ircd ...04:42
blizzowWhat fact is that?04:42
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matthew-blizzow: That there is no Nokia HQ in California04:43
DocScrutinizermatthew-: not yet04:43
DocScrutinizerin 2 weeks04:43
jooseppimy battery is dead, tried to charge it with an USB first, then changed to 240v outlet and now it doesnt even respond to that.04:43
jooseppiwhat should i do? it doesnt start04:43
matthew-DocScrutinizer: Ah, ok04:43
matthew-jooseppi: take it out, and put it in.04:43
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: isn't that funny? I really feel like deja-vu wrt bat charging of flat bat04:45
jooseppii charged it first on my pc usb, then took it out because it wasnt responding and changed it to 240v outlet and now it's not responding on that either04:45
jooseppiit's just dead04:45
matthew-jooseppi: If you talk to me here, more people can contribute and help you to solve your problem.04:45
matthew-damn i got myself poured half a pint of whiskey04:46
matthew-dunno if i can hack it ;d04:46
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DocScrutinizerjooseppi: you're repeating yourself?04:46
jooseppii know im damn drunk04:46
yuizymaybe he had some too04:46
DocScrutinizerjooseppi: please remove bat, then after 30sec re-insert and hook up to wallcharger04:46
sheepbat<looks up>04:47
sheepbatoh, *battery*04:47
jooseppinot working ;<04:47
jooseppitried to have it off for several minutes04:47
DocScrutinizerbats in my phone, eeeeek04:47
jaskaa battery of bats04:48
zashbattering batteries of bats04:48
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matthew-7 year old surgeon04:49
DocScrutinizerjojooseppi: it's working usually. It may need a remove and re-insert of charger plug, and then takes some patience as charging might happen slowly and without notice (aiui)04:50
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jooseppihave had it 30 min on charger, everything is working like it should except for the phone04:54
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DocScrutinizersorrry. no idea then. maybe charger is broken? or your mains outlet no power?04:57
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yuizyor your electricity company went down04:58
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jooseppione fucking question: six hundred euros and the phone doesnt respond when i plug it into a charger. 12 hours and i will buy a fucking nexus 105:01
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GeneralAntillesjooseppi, huh?05:01
* DocScrutinizer fails to read the '?'05:02
GeneralAntillesjooseppi, perhaps you got a defective unit?05:02
GeneralAntillesjooseppi, hardware defects have been known to happen. . . .05:02
ShadowJK_2 years warranty05:02
DocScrutinizer[2010-01-17 03:57:35] <DocScrutinizer> sorrry. no idea then. maybe charger is broken?05:02
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jooseppithanks, will get back to you tomorrow. the charger is working fine btw.05:03
jooseppibut the phone is wasted05:03
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KenYoungFor a maemo 5 application, is it possible that needs GPS location information, is it possible to completely avoid dealing with DBUS if one uses the liblocation calls?05:04
KenYoungFor a maemo 5 application  that needs GPS location information, is it possible to completely avoid dealing with DBUS if one uses the liblocation calls?05:04
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woglinde_liblocation dont uses dbus05:05
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woglinde_only glib05:05
woglinde_good nite05:06
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KenYoungwoglinde_, If liblocation doesn't use DBUS, how does it acquire the GPS data?05:06
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ShadowJK_from gpsd probably05:07
* DocScrutinizer51 wonders how anybody can state 'charger works fine' when there's no LED or anything on that black block and charging is not working allegedly05:07
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torindelDocScrutinizer: maybe he got other nokia?05:08
DocScrutinizer51though I seem to remember he said he's drunk05:09
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DocScrutinizer51anecdotal tale. the battery of my 6210 worked for 8 years 24/7 and still has 70% today. I have to say I virtually never discharged it to flat all those 8 years of usage05:14
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DocScrutinizer51common notion is that's impossible for LiIon. Supposed to be dead after 5 years. No matter if used or not05:16
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KenYoungDocScrutinizer, The temperature matters a lot, doen't it?05:17
DocScrutinizer51and storing on flat. and deep discharge. both cause severe deterioration of cell chemistry05:18
infobotDocScrutinizer51 meant: and storing while flat. and deep discharge. both cause severe deterioration of cell chemistry05:18
bfreelol, infobot does regular expressions :-p05:20
DocScrutinizer51not really05:20
infobotDocScrutinizer51 meant: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx05:21
infobotDocScrutinizer51 meant: ;-)05:21
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bfreelol, looks like perl regular expressions to me05:22
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DocScrutinizer51yeah. but it,s kinda filtered. So the better parts won't work05:23
jebbaman, the outages are so common nowadays, people don't even bother to file the bug report  ;)05:24
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jebbahow many hours have they been down?05:24
DocScrutinizer51jebba: maybe trac is down as well? ;-P05:25
infobotyuizy meant: eese05:26
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infobotyuizy meant: tchest05:26
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goriofabwath happened with maemo's repository?05:30
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smpsgo1dfish, read topic05:31
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cityOfLightshow come is : unknown host ?05:37
odin_due to poorly planned changes to the network05:37
cityOfLightsodin_: oh, so what is the IP address?05:39
cityOfLightswhen will it be back online?05:39
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odin_dont know on that one05:41
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matthew-ANY good ToDo planner ?05:49
matthew-foe n900 ?05:49
SplasPoodI'd love something that syncs with RTM, but I haven't seen any yet05:53
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SplasPoodhrm.. is the move related to why is broken?06:01
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ElleoSplasPood: NoLazy has RTM support06:02
Elleo(in extras-devel)06:02
SplasPoodoh?  I'll have to check it out when/if repository is fixed ;)06:02
Elleothere is a mirror at if you're impatient06:03
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uhsfso I'm about to confirm my order of a Nokia N900 at and be part of your community is that good06:27
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uhsfnow I think I will just drink a beer to ease the pain on my so desperate nerd soul who can barely afford such expensive product06:32
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DocScrutinizer51you'll forget that pain once you hold it in your hands06:44
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goodwilluhsf: I agree with DocScrutinizer06:51
goodwilluhsf: I went back and forth on n900 decision ...06:51
goodwilluhsf: but it totally rocks06:51
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pwnguingood thing i got mine already!06:52
goodwillflipping APPLY06:52
goodwillback to their tricks06:52
pwnguinwell, i gather nokia did it first06:53
goodwillboth companies got to flipping stop doing this06:53
goodwillpwnguin: yeah ... but I dislike apple more :)06:53
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GeneralAntillespwnguin, they're both pretty goddamn culpable. ;)07:05
pwnguinfrom what i gather apple bought some exclusive multitouch patents07:05
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pwnguinand nokia would very much like to offer a competing product07:06
pwnguinits not the first time apple's secured killer features as exclusives. the original ipod had an 18 month contract for all of the micro hard drives07:07
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goodwillpwnguin: thats strange ... cause ipod was nto the first device to use them07:11
pwnguingoodwill: you sure?07:11
goodwillipod was not the first mp3 player to use them07:12
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goodwillit was just most popular at the time07:12
pwnguinname another one07:12
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microlithwhat other mp3 player used the 5GB 1.8" drives?07:12
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microlithThe nomad was out, but it used 2.5" drives07:13
goodwillthats not how I understood your comment pwnguin07:14
goodwillmaybe I am wrong07:15
pwnguinif microdrive has a specific meaning, im not sure what it is07:17
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pwnguinim talkin bout the original ipod design07:17
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oscillikthe iPod wasn't Apple's idea anyway, an ex-Psion engineer sold his idea to Apple07:17
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goodwillApple does not innovate  .. they polish07:19
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microlithpwnguin: if you ask me what a microdrive is, I'd point you to the compact-flash formfactor hard disks IBM created back around the time of the original iPod Mini07:20
microlithand other devices were definitely using those07:20
oscillikthey were out before iPod mini07:21
ColdFyreis it a HW or SW issue jumping from 2.5G to 3G constantly?07:21
oscilliki remember people trying to get those ibm microdrives to work in Psion handhelds07:21
oscillikback in 1998-199907:21
goodwillColdFyre: it sounds like the cell phone is detecting availablity07:21
goodwillColdFyre: there is a plugin to limit it to one or another07:21
microlithoscillik: I wanted to get a 6GB one and stick it in a zaurus SL-C86007:22
pwnguinalright. well i cant source it right now but i recall reading that apple had an exclusive contract on the high capacity drives in the 1st gen ipod07:22
microlithpwnguin: not unlikely07:22
ColdFyrethat plugin though, if it can't hold the 3G, then i have no service07:22
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microlithColdFyre: t-mobile?07:22
goodwillno service?07:23
microlithoff chance that your 3G signal is real weak where you are07:23
goodwillI use t-mobile ... I force it down to 2.507:23
goodwillbut then I do not really use the data services07:23
ColdFyresometimes it will hold the 3g for hours, other times it's stuck at 2.5, i dunno07:24
* microlith is still on AT&T07:24
goodwillI do not think its a phone thing07:24
goodwillI think its network availablity07:24
oscillikT-Mobile (at least in the UK) are pretty bad for 3G07:24
oscillikas well as Orange07:24
goodwillin US its pretty good07:25
ColdFyrehm, i'm in the US, silicon valley to be more specific07:25
goodwillsillicon valley should have good 3g07:25
microlithshould, but this is t-mobile07:25
microlithAT&T and verizon probably have the area covered07:26
* ColdFyre shrugs07:26
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ColdFyreon another note, what is up with ?07:26
microlithserver migration, isp dropped the ball07:26
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ColdFyreah, i spent hours dicking with the dns on my phone thinking i broke something07:27
oscillikanyone have any clue when it'll be back up?07:27
goodwillat least 3 iphone users at work now want the next version of N9x07:27
goodwillafter seeing mine07:28
microlithgoodwill: co-worker of mine is drooling over mine, only thing holding him back is the price07:28
goodwillon top of it all they really hate AT&T07:28
goodwillthey do not want the hardware keyboard though07:28
goodwilland I love it07:28
microlithhardware keyboard was a selling point for me07:28
oscilliksame here07:29
goodwillme too07:29
microlithreal easy to avoid the iPhone/other android devices07:29
goodwillapple is so stupid for not having a iphone version with hardware keyboard07:29
oscilliklol Nexus One - with added battery-sucking 'Live Wallpaper'07:29
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goodwilla lot of business users I know do not want to give up their blackberries because of the keyboard07:30
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goodwillnot to mention lock down on activesync07:31
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goodwilla friend of mine set up outlook > gmail > net sync just so he can see from his local computer07:31
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goodwillhe almost cried when he saw my bluetooth syncing07:31
oscillikonly thing i miss android for is Google Maps, and Google contacts integration. oh and push Gmail of course. i really miss that07:32
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goodwilloscillik: ruskie has modest copiled version with IMAP IDLE07:33
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mzawhen's that coming?07:34
mzaIMAP IDLE07:34
microlithmy only problem with using imap and gmail was it synced 200 spam messages07:34
goodwilloscillik: also MfE works with
goodwillnot perfectly but still works07:34
oscillikyeah. not perfectly.07:34
goodwillit will all be here soon07:34
goodwillI give it 6 month till its all fixed up07:34
oscilliktbh, just the fact that the email client doesn't support IMAP IDLE, that's a really big let down from my perspective07:35
oscillikif it'd support that, i'd have no major complaints about the N90007:35
mzaIMAP IDLE and any kind of calendar sync07:35
mzawell, decent calendar sync07:36
goodwilloscillik: I managed to set up successfull gmail sync07:36
goodwilloscillik: talk to ruskie first though ... he had some bits of info on it07:36
oscillikgoodwill: i tried getting that to work, couldn't even add the repository. App Manager was complaining it couldn't access t or something07:37
goodwilloscillik: you need to import the ssl certificate07:37
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oscilliki don't remember reading anything about that in the wiki :-/07:38
goodwilloscillik: talk to ruskie ... he is around all the time07:38
blizzowWhat's the story with Vuze shares on the N900 media player.  I see my roommate's vuze instance, but can't see mine.  I was wondering how I might make it available to my N900.07:39
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oscillikgoodwill: thanks, i shall give him a nudge sometime. i'm gonna head off to bed i think now though - it's 5:39am here :p07:40
goodwillblizzow: vuze shares? what service is it using?07:40
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* goodwill loves the stylus07:40
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goodwillI just can not believe you can not buy replace ones from nokia07:41
GeneralAntillesI don't use the stylus much07:42
GeneralAntillesBut the one on the N800 was top-notch07:42
GeneralAntillesFirst stylus since the Newton that actually felt good to hold.07:42
goodwillI like the fact that n900 stylus is flat07:42
prontohrm, the camera needs a panorama  thing07:43
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blizzowgoodwill: I have no idea, I just see my roommate's vuze instance in the media player  In the lower left part of the window, it just says "vuze on roommatecomputer"  I tap it, and it shows no shared files.07:43
blizzowIf I can have access to my desktop library via the media player, I would configure vuze to share it.07:43
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goodwillblizzow: maybe he did not configure it to share actual files07:45
DocScrutinizergoodwill: the finish site with spare parts lists sylus for 7.5 EUR07:45
goodwilldockane_: U am in US ... I doubt they will ship it here07:46
blizzowgoodwill: I set up a "classic-share" on my own desktop and I still only see my roommate's vuze instance.  I guess I'm more wondering if there is a way to choose from multiple vuze shares.07:46
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blizzowAnd I was also wondering if there is a way to manually refresh the media library.  A bunch of files are listed in my library that are no longer there.07:49
goodwilldockane_: I think they are out of stock07:50
goodwillDocScrutinizer: thank you for the tip  but I think they are out of stock07:50
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uhsfat least in the next few days i will have a nice and shiny new phone if someone ever decides to call me!08:04
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fureddoAnyone has the latest link to the Maemo 5 SDK installter?08:06
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sylarpowahi all08:33
goodwillis now down too?08:34
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microlithgoodwill: up for me08:49
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uhsfas i said earlier today i just think is just painfully slow and has a hard time struggling with the increasing popularity due to the N90008:50
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uhsfi wish upgrades it's hosting soon08:51
microlithit's in the process of upgrading08:52
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sylarpowammm is pyside broken?09:04
sylarpowaI get an undefined symbol error when trying to use pyside.maemo09:05
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El_Angelobe glad the channel isn't hosted on maemo.org09:07
El_Angeloor it would prolly be down as well09:07
* Arkenoi wishes there could be a way to view short message details, similar to email header: originating smsc at least. my old nokia 9500 can do that!09:10
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cold\cellirc'ing from my n900 in a bar!!09:45
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`0660boring night at the bar? :)09:50
cold\celleveryone is on thier iphones09:51
* cold\cell a;msot dtunk09:53
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lcukn900\me dislikes sunday mornings09:57
cold\cellaat night here09:58
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LuciusMarehi,anybody thought of porting vlc to maemo?09:59
microlithI think some people are looking into it10:00
microlithbut as mplayer gets more optimized, the need for it will probably dip10:00
LuciusMarei dont think so,vlc is a great tool for streaming10:02
LuciusMareand aside from that,it is also a good player10:02
cold\cellwindows media player10:06
microlithhush cold\cell10:06
* LuciusMare stabs cold\cell 10:06
microlithdrunk people say silly things10:06
cold\cellwhp sai i was drunk10:07
LuciusMareit is kinda obvious10:07
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LuciusMaremoo pupnik10:09
cold\cellnot sure if this old creepy dude is staring at me or my n90010:10
LuciusMareis hildon opensource?10:11
LuciusMareafter hassles,i heard that all nokia gui things are closed source,and it would be a shame if hildon would be also closed10:11
lcukn900i dont think hildon himself is opensource, but his framework is10:11
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LuciusMarewhat does it mean?10:12
LuciusMarecan i take the code, modify it and use it in my devices?10:12
LuciusMare(in case i would be a pda manufacturer)10:12
lcukn900go grab hildon10:14
lcukn900its not an os distro tho10:14
lcukn900its a component part10:14
doc|homeLuciusMare: check the licence for hildon itself. If it's gpl then you can, provided you provide access to the source as the license stipulates10:16
* doc|home guessing lgpl10:16
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lcukn900hey seb10:17
LuciusMarecreative commons? O_o10:19
LuciusMareit was the license of the wiki page -_-10:21
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LuciusMareyour space key is broken?10:25
SplasPoodenter works fine10:26
LuciusMarei see10:26
LuciusMarehm,when i am developing an app,should i use qt or gtk?10:27
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lcukn900luc depends on history and your skills10:28
lcukn900are you happy in c or c++ or neither10:28
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LuciusMarewell, i cant code very much :/10:31
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LuciusMare*very well10:31
LuciusMarei want to learn10:31
lcukn900then it doesnt matter what10:31
LuciusMareso,let's give qt a shot10:32
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slonopotamushow do you use powertop on n8x0? it shows nothing except for C states because of lack of kernel config params.10:34
ravas#/join #maemo-devel10:35
ravasps slonopotamus, that was not a mean way of pointing you to maemo-devel, that was just me mis-typing  :)10:40
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cold\cellim sorry but palying with with liqflow whiled drunk is freaking sweet10:50
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slonopotamusanyone else experiences non-working enter is some programs in fremantle xterm? for example, search (/) in less.11:25
slonopotamusit prints ESCOM, whatever that means.11:26
slonopotamusahha. bug 600911:27
povbot`Bug "Enter" key sends wrong keycode to console applications11:27
Stskeepsthat might be HIM shit11:29
LuciusMare_awaysame here11:30
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LuciusMarei cant even use space11:30
bleaderslonopotamus: yes, when getting my screen back on n900, most of the time I have to use ctrl-m in mutt11:30
slonopotamusvery annoying.11:30
LuciusMareso no bbs :(11:30
LuciusMareStskeeps: i hope they'll fix it11:31
Stskeepssubmit a patch, it's open source11:31
Stskeepsand openly developed11:31
* LuciusMare cant code11:32
povbot`Bug 6009: "Enter" key sends wrong keycode to console applications11:32
slonopotamuseverything is already submitted.11:32
LuciusMareslonopotamus: the patch?11:33
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slonopotamusLuciusMare, just reed comments 6 and 9.11:34
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Stskeepsslonopotamus: i don't think the right people to get the patch is CC'ed11:35
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Stskeepswell, inz may be or RST38h11:36
Stskeepsboth have commit access11:36
slonopotamusStskeeps, comment #11.11:36
Stskeepswell then it's well underway11:37
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__ibzbleader: do you run mutt on the device, or do you use ssh+mutt to a remote box?11:41
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bleader__ibz: ssh + screen + mutt actually11:44
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__ibzbleader: i see.  what do you lose by running mutt directly on the device? everyone appears to do the same as you..11:49
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bleader__ibz: well I do have a screen with irssi and I'm always getting it11:49
bleaderso having mutt inside the same screen allows me to have mail + irc wherever I go without anything on device I'm using11:50
bleaderadditionally, there are quite a lot of phone service providers in france who aren't including mail in data plan11:51
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bleaderit's like unlimited web (in a 500MB limit...) and 10MB for mails11:51
bleaderor so11:51
bleaderit's more an habit than anything else actually, I could use mutt on the device now11:51
bleaderand actually with C-m working as a return for now, I'm not really disturbed by this, was just saying, I also have an issue :)11:52
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__ibzthanks, yeah, i get my device tomorrow, so can't help with your issue - i was just asking what the pros and cons were between running locally, and using ssh.11:54
__ibzirssi i can understand, but mutt+imap, doesn't make much sense to me, to run remotely11:55
redid imagine having irssi on at the phone would make you connect/disconnect spam all over11:56
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redif you keep it on 24/711:56
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FIQWtf happened tonight?11:56
__ibzred: indeed. and i understand that, but mutt+imap carries little "state"11:56
reddamned Cinema 4D.. left it to render last night after working for hours and it had rendered 50 frames before going "out of memory.."11:57
FIQmass-excessflood, d/c, etc11:57
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StskeepsFIQ: freenode getting attacked :P11:58
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gileadhi, I try to download flasher and image for my n900 but access to currently fails. Any news about that?12:00
Stskeepsgilead: probably connected to what's in topic12:01
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gileadstskeeps: possible. I would like to update my n900 but I installed so many extra apps that it fails12:03
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Stskeepsgilead: best thing i can say is to wait for monday :/12:04
pupnik_enjoy the outdoors a bit12:04
_|Nix|_Hey! What's going on with repository.maemo.org12:04
felipecanyone knows anything about the issue of the builder using the new SDK, and the web interface checking dependencies with the old one?12:04
Luser_|Nix|_, they are down12:05
gileadStskeeps: I will. But today I have time and next week I won't :(12:05
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_|Nix|_Luser: *sigh* ... thanks ...12:05
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slonopotamuscraaap :(12:07
* lardman|home updates sb apt sources to point to jebba's mirror12:08
lardman|homebut indeed, crap, bad time for the repos to go down, when people actually want to do work12:08
* slonopotamus fixes stack corruption in his program.12:08
Stskeeps_|Nix|_: topic12:08
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lardman|homeotoh I can't seem to fetch Package lists from jebba's mirror12:09
lardman|homewhat are other people using in sources.list?12:10
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lardman|homee.g. deb fremantle free non-free ??12:11
Stskeepsno non-free on there12:11
lardman|homeah yes12:11
lardman|homeErr fremantle/sdk/free Packages12:13
lardman|home  Unable to connect to http:12:13
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lardman|homeFailed to fetch  Unable to connect to http:12:14
Stskeepshey MoonTiger12:14
lardman|homeI guess that's my fault somewhere there12:14
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fralslardman: does he have the sdk mirrored? might only be extras/testing/devel12:16
fralsuh, nvm, says on his page sdk is mirrored :P12:17
lardman|homeI get the same error for all the repos12:17
lardman|homestrange, I can wget the Packages.gz file12:17
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Shrik3the repos are all broken12:20
* RST38h moos evilly12:21
RST38hHELO lardman, frals, Stskeeps12:21
fralsmornin o/12:21
RST38hLooks like I have resolved the FBReader scroll-on-tap problem12:21
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fralshmm, turns out "Photos" or whatever the image viewer is called doesnt show .wbmp :(12:22
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cosmonever even heard of .wbmp12:23
ifreqfrals: and how common is this format?12:23
Stskeepsfrals: gstreamer codec maybe?12:23
fralsifreq: someone reported that fMMS didnt handle it, so I assume someone still uses it12:23
fralsStskeeps: loaded it into a gtk.pixmap and it showed up fine12:24
MoonTigerhey Stskeeps  :)12:24
lardman|homehi RST38h12:27
lardman|homeanyone else got the mirror repos working for them in sb?12:28
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timelessfrals: you visiting HEL soon?12:29
fralstimeless: hopefully yes, date not set yet12:29
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timelesscosmo, wbmp is a failed mobile bmpp12:30
timelessfrom the idiots who brought you wap,wml12:30
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timelessanone here ever read the aemo5 hig?12:31
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cosmotimeless: ah ok.. i did some wap stuff back in the 90's but i've forgotten it all :)12:32
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cosmoreally terrible stuff12:33
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RST38hOk, so, for one thing, Maemo is unable to detect finger tapping.12:34
RST38hAnd, secondly, when they say "stylus not moved if it has not moved farther than 5 pixels" is wrong for our devices12:35
villagerwhat would be different between a finger tap and a stylus tap?12:35
RST38hFor us, it is more like 20 :)12:35
RST38hvillager: pressure reading, apparently12:35
RST38hActually, I *can* make it kinda recognize my finger, semireliably12:35
villagerI mean, what would you use that distinction for?12:36
RST38hBut it is inexact science12:36
RST38hvillager: stylus (or nail) for selection, finger for turning pages12:36
villagerI'm sure I might want to use the stylus for turning pages if I had it in hand, but ok12:37
villagerI figured the maemo way is to use a swipe to turn pages12:37
RST38hyou can, there is an option for that12:37
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RST38hNot really, in fact FBReader code explicitely says "swipe = do not turn pages"12:38
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villagerwhat does a swipe do then?12:38
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RST38hMaybe I can actually make swipe turn pages, not a bad idea12:39
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villagerwell, I'm not using fbreader myself... don't really have anything to read on it12:40
villagerI don't suppose it would read pdfs?12:41
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RST38hno, but why would you read pdfs?12:42
villagerwhen people make pdfs, they usually mean for people to read it? I have some documents in pdf format...12:43
SpeedEvilRST38h: I'm missing something. Why would you ever want a touch on the page not to change pages12:43
LuciusMareSpeedEvil: moving on the zoomed page12:44
SpeedEviloh - I never use zoom, as it's generally insane.12:44
LuciusMareme neither ;)12:46
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RST38hSpeedEvil: There are two types of touches: stylus and finger12:54
RST38h+ there is touch+slide12:54
RST38hThey do not want touch+slide to switch pages12:54
RST38hscroll-on-finger-only is an option tat you can enable though12:54
RST38hbut it does not work on Maemo because our touchscreen is kinda shitty12:54
RST38hnow, even generic touch does not always work and I have found why12:56
RST38hthe reason is somewhat funny though ;)12:56
LuciusMaren900 touchscreen is good12:56
LuciusMarehm,tell us the reason :)12:56
pupnikRST38h: i can scroll through vgba maemo settings just fine12:56
pupniki use fingernail always though12:56
RST38hpupnik: I am specifically talking of FBReader12:57
RST38hthe lack of clear distinction between scroll and select in Hildon is a different thing12:57
pupnikok thanks12:58
pupnik120hz 3d monitors 230 euro in germany.  hallelujah ... finally12:58
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pupniklcd catches up to crt12:58
RST38hwhen it catches in terms of color gamut, come back and tell us =)12:59
pupnikmy iiyama/diamondtron still works.  so i'm keepin it12:59
red < RST38h> now, even generic touch does not always work and I have found why12:59
red < RST38h> the reason is somewhat funny though ;)13:00
redgif whye13:00
cehtehis the n900 touchscreen pressure sensitive? .. i dont see any app which takes advantage of that13:02
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RST38hcehteh: it is supposed to be but it is not really13:04
LuciusMaredear god touchsearch sucks13:04
redyou keep dodging the question13:04
LuciusMarei dont want to use your freaking customized google, that gives you money everytime i search13:05
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redthat app is redundant anyway13:05
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LuciusMarenot really13:06
LuciusMareits useful, i keep searhing through a lot of engines13:06
cold\cellstill drunk13:07
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redwhats better than google?13:08
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LuciusMarei think you meant "yahoo"13:09
cehtehRST38h: well 3 sensities would be nice already .. /me once added a 'pressed' state to the synaptics driver which can be used for some things13:09
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timelessanone here ever read the aemo5 hig?13:10
timelessanyone here ever read the maemo5 hig?13:11
ColdFyreis there a way to get an arabic virtual keyboard?13:11
wazdhello maemo13:11
pupnikhahahah red nice13:12
pupniki wazd13:12
timelesscoldfyre: what's the rush?13:12
RST38hcehteh: let us just say that it is not a software problem.13:13
cehteh*cough* :)13:13
ColdFyrewhat rusdh?13:13
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redRST38h: so you are saying theres a design flaw in N900 touch screen, which causes the odd quirks?13:14
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fralstimeless: i've skimmed through it, why?13:14
redRST38h: why just go on implying things, but not saying anything? makes you feel cool? should just be quiet, if you don't want to share what you know/think you know. :p13:16
* RST38h sighs13:16
redmy point exactly13:16
RST38hred: I am saying that the pressure readings from N800, N810, and N900 touchscreens cannot be trusted.13:16
RST38hThus, any program that tries using these settings to do stuff is faulty13:17
LuciusMarestop,think and collaborate13:17
RST38hFurthermore, I am saying that the screen is so small that you cannot assume that the stylus release will happen within the 5x5 spot from the stylus press, like FBReader assumes13:18
LuciusMarewhere can i find a guide how to read data from sensors? (such as accelerometers, proximity sensor and such)13:18
RST38hEspecially if the "stylus" is your finger which the touchscreen has detected god-knws-where13:18
RST38hLucius: Development section.13:19
redaye, thats quite logic. finger/stylus will mostly move more than 5px from the spot you push it down at when releasing the pressure - unless you really concentrate on it, and even then it will move few pixels13:19
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frals~curse osso_filemanager13:21
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, osso_filemanager !13:21
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fralsnot being able to open any path in it is.. :(13:21
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redwonder what it's name is, if you tried to launch it in terminal with gainroot?13:26
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pupnik_lol, the best thing ever is having an unpatched t-online dsl modem13:28
pupnik_you can see exactly what they are doing13:28
fralsred: i'm doing a dbus call to open it with path as /home/user/.dir.. appearently it refuses to open any dir that is below ~/MyDocs (it seems)13:30
wazddaaamn, Eldar will never stop :D13:31
fralswazd: the WM7 stuff? just read that hehe13:31
LuciusMarewhere can i find a guide how to read data from sensors? (such as accelerometers, proximity sensor and such)13:31
redfrals: tested with root rights?13:31
redguess you did, annoying13:32
fralsred: since its a user-facing gui i prefer if it didnt launch it as root13:32
SpeedEvilLuciusMare: search the wiki for the keyword13:32
redfrals: preferrable yeah, but guessing it might be the only way for now13:33
fralsgonna try it as root and see if it works13:33
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fralsdidnt work either13:34
LuciusMarehm, i heard that n900's got a serial console... where?13:36
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slonopotamusmeh, disks from ovi has very stupid ai.13:37
RST38hwazd: What? Predicting immediate death of Noia again?13:37
wazdRST38h: better :)13:38
RST38hwazd: Last time I checked he has been pissing all over some hapless "journalist" girl writing for a competing site13:39
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fralshe certainly knows how to generate site traffic13:39
threshah, muldar again13:41
timelessi'm trying to get someone to confirm a bug13:41
LuciusMaretimeless: what but?13:41
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slonopotamuswazd, who cares about winmo...13:43
* LuciusMare 13:44
LuciusMarei parsed winmo as something completely different13:45
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Luseris it possible to control media player from the command line? like go to next track. and what about volume control? on an n800?13:47
redbrainstorming guide voice is quite Finglish13:47
redwasn't sure at first if it was a voice synthesizer or a person13:47
LuciusMareLuser: maybe,if mediaplayer accepts dbus poking13:48
LuserLuciusMare, yes but I'm so bad with dbus..13:48
LuciusMareme too :x13:48
LuciusMarebut let's just read the medpla manual pages or/and refferences13:48
LuciusMare(me wonders if he spelt "refferences" correctly)13:49
SpeedEvilLuciusMare: not enough f's.13:49
Luserah I've found how to pause.. dbus-send /com/nokia/osso_media_server
LuciusMareyou are just fucking with me,right?13:50
LuciusMareLuser: win,now write a script or make an alias13:51
LuserLuciusMare, well, I only found pause/resume. the script on top of it, I know how to do this. its just dbus that bothers me13:52
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LuciusMaregoogle for dbus tutorial,or something13:53
Shadikka_ah, so that was what it was13:53
redor for dbus tutorial and the likes!13:53
LuciusMareor try to catch the dbus messages with dbus-monitor13:53
Shadikka_Wondered why I had a long line of "no such nick/channel" :P13:53
LuciusMarered: hush,hush,hush,hush13:53
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LuserLuciusMare, yes exactly what I'm doing with dbus-monitor. Now I have a hundred lines to analyse..13:54
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LuciusMaregrep the ones with mediaplayer13:55
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DocScrutinizergoogle for mdbus. get strings and do 'strings /usr/bin/mediaplayer'13:56
Luserok no binutils, time to use the mirror repo then.. :)13:58
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LuserDocScrutinizer, that's hardcore, I like it13:59
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* pupnik_ ponders just using 4x AAs and ignoring voltage regulation14:01
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wazdRST38h: well, that girl acts just like eldar actually. When I was talking with her she mentioned herself as Chief Editor like 5 times or so :D14:02
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Stskeepsthe internet: where everyone can be a chief editor of your own shitty blog14:03
RST38hwazd: Well, she is a stupid pseudo-journo girl14:03
RST38hwazd: Not even *supposed* to behave as an intelligent human being14:03
DocScrutinizerpupnik_: that will fry your device14:03
easy-debian-userdoes the java plugin on easy-debian on the n900 work? the browser always hangs whenever i try to access a page using the java plugin14:03
RST38hwazd: I am not going to apply the same expectations to Eldar though14:04
DocScrutinizerpupnik_: USB Vmax 5.25V14:04
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pupnik_sorry i meant 1.2v Ni-MH14:04
ShadowJK_it's not like alkaline would give 6V for more than a few minutes anyway14:05
timelessfrals, bug 814914:05
povbot`Bug edit net radio station dialog (mp_ti_edit_radio) labels aren't left aligned14:05
Luserhum looks like diablo is not mirrored :( and binutils pulls libgcc1 which is conflicting with diablos one. so.. no strings for now14:05
* Stskeeps ponders about the concert selection in poland14:06
Stskeepsmetal and chippendales14:06
* RST38h isn't sure what chippendales is but the name sounds uncomfortable14:07
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RST38hStskeeps: Is Gadget involved?14:07
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RST38hStskeeps: <urgh>14:08
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* RST38h would probably take a visit to the zoo over this any time14:09
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timelesseasy-debian-user: it's certainly not supported14:15
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timeless... install debuging symbols and gdb14:16
timelessget a stack trace from gdb14:16
LuciusMarewhat's this easy-debian thingy anyway?14:17
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timelessobviously it isn't easy14:17
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barfoos__n900it a debian image you can chroot into and install/use debian packages14:19
infobotbarfoos__n900 meant: it's a debian image you can chroot into and install/use debian packages14:20
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odin_how do you get a core dump from N900 ?14:20
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timelessodin: for what purpose?14:20
timelessit's a standard linux..14:21
odin_well "ulimit -c unlimited" is set so and "tracker-status" says "Segmentation fault"  (maybe someone can try on their handset too)14:21
odin_maybe a sub-process SIGSEGV14:22
timelessodin: install crash-reporter14:22
timeless~ $ cat /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern14:22
timeless|/usr/sbin/rich-core-dumper --pid=%p --signal=%s14:22
odin_I have "/what/me/worry" in "/proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern"14:23
timelessodin: install crash-reporter14:23
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odin_need to lookup repo, as its no in the default ones apt-get has setup14:23
odin_I'll google in a bit need to grab a drink14:24
timelessodin: roughly you collecting a core dump by hand for a nokia process is a waste of everyone's time14:26
timelesscrash-reporter otoh collects the core and other bits for you and sends them to nokia in a nice little package14:26
timelesscrash-reporter otoh collects the core and other bits for you and sends them to nokia in a nice little packagealthough, in my case it collected 50 reports and forgot the 'send' step..14:27
odin_are kernel crash dumps the same ?  I have not seen an Opps (maybe I never had one)14:27
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timelesscrash-reporter can handle oops's too14:28
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cvandonderenDoes anybody have an idea for an app for Maemo but no time to make it?14:30
cvandonderenI'm bored14:30
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LuciusMarehow can i vibeate?14:30
LuciusMarei mean14:30
LuciusMarehow can i use the vibration module?14:31
Stskeepscvandonderen: tile cacher for Maep14:31
LuciusMareevolution and life simulator14:32
cvandonderenLuciusMare: that is an interesting one, something like game of life14:32
cvandonderenStskeeps: where is the sourcecode14:32
redcvandonderen: oh yes :>14:32
Stskeepscvandonderen: well, atm :P or somewhere14:32
nedkowhat is wrong with i cannot resolve it14:32 is down for me ATM14:33
cvandonderennedko: hahah14:33
LuciusMareand well yes14:33
LuciusMaredesktop plugin for game of life14:33
cvandonderenLuciusMare: that should give me some experience with the platform too ;-)14:35
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cvandonderenthe desktop widgets can be done in Qt right?14:35
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Luserso.. it's not possible to go to next track in media player using dbus as the playlist is handled internally in media player. doh I'll have to stand up everytime14:40
LuciusMarei am sure you can,this widget thingy can control even skipping tracks14:41
LuserLuciusMare, yes, media player looks at the playlist internally and does a; member=play_media and string is the url14:41
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LuciusMareand,what about the vibration module?14:42
LuciusMarei heard there is a notification plugin,but...14:42
LuciusMarecant find more info 'bout it14:43
ewohaving a bit of trouble using rdesktop-cli14:44
ewoWARNING: Remote desktop does not support colour depth 16; falling back to 2414:44
ewoWARNING: Remote desktop changed from 800x480 to 1920x1200.14:44
ewodisconnect: Unknown reason.  Error code: 76814:45
ewoanyone have a clue whats wrong?14:45
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ewotried to change my windows to different resolutions and colordephts but it gives the "error code: 768" line every time14:45
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xorAxAxdid ya google for it?14:46
ewoi did14:46
ewono results14:46
ewocouldnt find a list of error codes for rdesktop14:47
xorAxAxthats probably a remote error code14:47
xorAxAxof the rdp protocol14:47
timelessluser: does the desktop applet really cheat for next/previous?14:47
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* LuciusMare wants to make n900 vibrate14:47
odin_I see:  (but can't see how you get it onto your phone?  it doesn't show up in HAM under Devel section, and 'apt-get install' does not know it)14:48
xorAxAxLuciusMare: are you female?14:48
timelessodin: it's probably in the tools repo14:48
LuciusMarei am afraid to say no14:48
xorAxAxLuciusMare: then why do you need vibration? :)14:49
Lusertimeless, I am on n800. is there a desktop applet for diablo?14:49
LuciusMarei want it to vibrate in my pocket when i am heading my station14:49
LuciusMareso i wont miss it14:49
xorAxAxi dont understand, what do you mean by "heading my stattion"?14:49
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LuciusMarein a train14:50
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LuciusMarei'll set the location of my station and when i will be near,it will gently wake me up14:50
StskeepsLuciusMare: good idea14:51
Stskeepsi often have that with bus stops14:51
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Stskeepsi think it's called vibra api14:51
xorAxAxi had the problem a few days ago as well14:51
xorAxAxbecause i was playing with my n900 :)14:51
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timelessluser: i don't remember, if there is (and there probably is), it would have come  w/ the n80014:52
timelessso you just need to try to add a widget and select it14:52
barfoos__n900computers: for solving poblems you otherwise wouldnt have :)14:52
xorAxAxLuciusMare: good idea, i think i would take your app14:52
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Lusermedia player is closed source right?14:58
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wazdStskeeps: any chance to see some Marina shots? :P15:00
Stskeepswazd: you have an excellent ability to catch me when i'm unable to do anything :P15:00
wazdStskeeps: :D15:00
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wazdStskeeps: that's a gift :D15:01
Stskeepsi am seriously pondering to set up a virtual n900 for you15:01
wazdWarning: You are using an invalid section: user/themes!15:01
wazdWhile your package will not be rejected, we would like to encourage you to change your package to comply with the official list. More information about valid sections/categories can be found on the wiki page.15:01
Stskeepsoh the madmen15:02
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RST38hwazd: user/desktop15:02
* Stskeeps goes fix in template15:02
Stskeepswazd: edit file debian/control15:03
wazdwell, "move files to autobuilder queue" doesn't seems to work anyway15:04
* Stskeeps fixes template15:04
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LuciusMarebut,the only thing is15:05
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LuciusMarei am not sure if i can handle such app15:05
LuciusMareit will be a complicated job15:05
StskeepsLuciusMare: write it in python and determine a way to calculate distance to a point or something15:06
LuciusMarei mean,reading the gps, and ranging it, where should it start and so15:06
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Stskeepsthere's python liblocation headers and quite easyt at that15:06
LuciusMarewell,yes, i think python is enough15:06
Corsachmmh, is there a “GPS coordinates” field in contacts?15:08
SpeedEvilLuciusMare: why not simply set an alarm?15:08
LuciusMareBecause we can!15:10
Luserahh I've found15:10
LuciusMareand, this solution is more elegant,what if the bus will be much quicker or slower?15:10
Lusersocat -v tcp-l:6666,reuseaddr,fork unix:/tmp/mediaplayer-engine.socket15:10
LuciusMaredbus-send --print-reply --system /com/nokia/mce/request string:'PatternTouchscreen'15:10
LuciusMaredbus-send --print-reply --system /com/nokia/mce/request
Luserfrom my machine: echo "next" | nc ip_n800 666615:11
Luserarrrhhhhh strace rulz15:11
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Luseri love unix15:11
Gadgetoid_mbpom nom nom nom samosas!15:12
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LuciusMaremoo Gadgetoid_mbp15:13
Gadgetoid_mbpAhoy LuciusMare !15:13
StskeepsLuciusMare: i think API changed mid-way15:15
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xorAxAxLuciusMare: you can also echo into the proc file15:15
Gadgetoid_mbpdbus-send --print-reply --system /com/nokia/mce/request string:'PatternTouchscreenRampagingRabbit'15:15
pupnik  battery packs could be simple if our devices could deal with 4.8v15:15
SpeedEvil4.8V is not what 4 NiMH AA's outputs.15:16
pupnikoh a bit more?15:16
SpeedEvilthey start out at 1.45*415:16
pupnikah k., too much variation15:16
Shadikka_RampagingRabbit? XD15:17
SpeedEvilis what you want15:17
ShadowJK_(and drops to 1.2...1.3 something when/if n900 starts pulling 1amp)15:17
SpeedEvilI mean15:17
SpeedEvilbut the above only goes to 200mA15:17
Gadgetoid_mbpShadikka_: don't google it15:17
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pupnik  1.5A max for this booster15:17
LuciusMarewhat is the proc file.15:18
LuciusMareand dont i need to be root?15:18
pupnikor use a nokia 12v car charger and use more AA batteries to source15:18
Gadgetoid_mbppupnik: ....15:18
Corsachmmh, and no way to bookmark stuff in ovi maps either?15:18
pupniksorry for the noise15:18
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pupnikthat handles the high-power charging spec for microusb?15:19
Gadgetoid_mbpIt'll charge, but it wont charge a totally dead device15:19
Gadgetoid_mbpI use 'em to power a USB hub15:20
SpeedEvilIt will charge a dead device15:20
SpeedEvilLook at the l3/l4 manual15:20
* LuciusMare waves15:20
LuciusMarewhat is the proc file?15:20
SpeedEvilIt charges at 100mA - from anything - with a completely dead battery15:20
LuciusMareand dont i need to be root?15:20
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* DocScrutinizer mentions the charger adapter that seems to come with each N90015:21
Gadgetoid_mbpmy travel chargers have been in a drawer for months, now, I've got so many devices I just switch to another if one dies15:21
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LuciusMarei think i get where is your nick from15:22
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: I've got one of those open. lots of comple durface mounty. NEed to desolder the heatsink and do some more measuring15:22
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: that sounds rather decent15:23
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Gadgetoid_mbpHaha, my nick derives from my site which derives from my love of all things gadgetoid15:24
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DocScrutinizerand you got a 1.8 and a 3.5 (both ??) barrel receptacle to take any there's-a-zillion 6V power supply15:24
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: >20 components I guess. the receptacles are not soldered - just press contacts15:24
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: chokes?15:25
SpeedEvillooking at reverse engineering the capabilities. Though today I will be working on kitchen furniture and baking.15:25
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: please throw that shit on a flatbed scanner for me15:26
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SpeedEvilGadgetoid_mbp: I have 12kg of bread dough to mix, freeze into 200g batches.15:26
Gadgetoid_mbpSpeedEvil: Are you... a... baker?15:26
pupnikjust makin bread here - how do you plan to get it to rise?15:27
Corsaca bhacker?15:27
SpeedEvilErr - 8kg.15:27
SpeedEvilI like nice bread.15:27
SpeedEvilI have problems getting to the shops.15:27
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pupniksame ;P15:27
Gadgetoid_mbpFair enough!15:27
Gadgetoid_mbpI've pondered getting a bread maker, a mate of mine bigs 'em up15:27 is offline, right? any way to use another repository or an IP address?15:27
Gadgetoid_mbpAll the crazy shit you can put in bread, like cheese and pickle15:28
pupnik  ptl15:28
Gadgetoid_mbpI hope jebba has unlimited bandwidth15:28
ptlpupnik: it has everything, including nokia-apps and nokia-binaries? I need to install those15:29
SpeedEvilTake one third of it. Add yeast to the dough. Let it rise, and bang it down till it stops rising and goes all alcohol smelling. Now, mix that with the rest of the dough and immediately freeze. Take 200g lump of dough out, put it in a silicone flexy small loaf mould, place in oven at 40c to rise, then when it does, raise temp to 180c15:29
DocScrutinizerGadgetoid_mbp: I doubt it15:29
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Gadgetoid_mbpSpeedEvil: I trust you own a chest freezer15:30
Gadgetoid_mbpMine's full of frozen lumps of meat and samosas, couldn't fit bread in if I wanted to15:30
SpeedEvilGadgetoid_mbp: I lost the paddle from mine. One key thing if you have one with the paddle at the bottom. Grease the shaft with margerine before placing on the paddle. Otherwise it will wear _rapidly_.15:30
SpeedEvilit's only 6l or so of dough - when frozen15:31
Gadgetoid_mbpHmm, I am going to have to give this a try at some point15:31
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DocScrutinizermakes a nice app :-) add capabilities to read out USB or BT thermometers, maybe evebn a scale15:33
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DocScrutinizerand a shouting audi "mix harder! mix better! You lazy bugger" ;-P15:34
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Gadgetoid_mbpHum de dum, now I need to cook something15:35
DocScrutinizersupervision by pattern recognition via front cam15:35
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LuciusMareGadgetoid_mbp: i often cook my cpz15:35
pupnikbetter than a freezer full of samoans15:36
Gadgetoid_mbpHahaha, I need to sell my old PC.. must be worth 5, maybe £1015:36
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Gadgetoid_mbpNetburst 3ghz+ pentium, dual core.. the OLD type of dual core...15:36
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: Don't joke :) I'm contemplating using my neo1973 for exactly that15:37
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: you're incredible! thanks15:37
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: microwave oven control - with USB camera.15:37
SpeedEvil(not great pic - I'll take better ones when I find my other camera)15:38
pupnikwhat is that adaptor for? temp?15:38
SpeedEvilStupid tracker15:38
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: just *all* my jokes contain a honest core ;-P15:38
SpeedEvilpupnik: that's the included power adaptor with the n90015:38
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: USB camera detects peak of bread rising15:38
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: sounds like a veritable app, yes15:40
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: what's on the other side of the PCB?15:40
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LuciusMareHow do i display actual accelerometer data on display? When i use while true do loop, the cpu is 100% on load15:42
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DocScrutinizerLuciusMare: liqacceltest15:42
LuciusMareand how does liqacceltest do that?15:42
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: couple of coils, and a big heatsink covering the rest - and the connection pads for the spring connectors for the sockets15:43
DocScrutinizercoils. :-)15:43
redI need to borrow googles serverfarm for some 3D rendering15:43
SpeedEvilOn a related matter.15:43
redgod my pc is slow15:43
SpeedEvilHow the hell do I tell trackerd not to bloody index my /home/user/data15:43
SpeedEvilI've added it to the 'don't index or watch these directories' list.15:43
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: seems we talked about that before. There is a config somewhere for trackerd. But it seems to be borked to some extent, not completely obbeying what's in that config15:44
Gadgetoid_mbpLuciusMare: 100% load? you might want to slow your polling rate :D15:44
LuciusMareGadgetoid_mbp: i while true do :P15:44
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DocScrutinizerLuciusMare: so 100% is exactly what U asked for15:45
DocScrutinizeruse sleep 115:45
DocScrutinizer(alas messybox doesn't know sleep 0.1)15:45
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LuciusMarebut i dont think that while true {read; sleep 1} wont help15:46
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chem|stgood afternoon15:46
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redhow do I make the image gallery not to make thumbnails out of custom directories under mydocs? I have contact image thumbnails and I'd not want them in the photo slideshow thing15:50
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TriztAwayred, I think this is about that: "<DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: seems we talked about that before. There is a config somewhere for trackerd. But it seems to be borked to some extent, not completely obbeying what's in that config"15:52
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SpeedEvilThe answer is quite obvious if you look in /home/user/.config/tracker.cfg15:53
SpeedEvilbut - that doesn't seem to do what it claims15:53
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DocScrutinizerfor an alternative to dbus-* tools you might be interested in mdbus:;a=blob_plain;f=mickeydbus/mdbus;hb=HEAD15:53
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DocScrutinizernot yet tested on maemo (afgaik)15:54
chem|stwhat the heck... is midgard now down as well?15:54
DocScrutinizeralso see
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tghm, wtf15:57
tgHost not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)15:57
ShadowJK_been like that forf a day and counting15:57
tgyeah noticed yesterday as well that i could not update15:58
tgwhat's the ip address? anyone knows?15:58
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chem|stX-Fade: ping16:00
xorAxAxbut doesnt seem to answer on port 80 either16:00
tgyeah, true16:01
DocScrutinizerI think there's a reason the DNS doesn't resolve anymore16:01
DocScrutinizerprolly they move to another box16:02
chem|stDocScrutinizer: tg xorAxAx tok.. something said some mount was broken and the DNS hang up it will stay that way till monday morning16:02
DocScrutinizerhmm DNS hang up doesn't explain the IP doesn't answer, no?16:03
xorAxAxmaybe they disclose the IP only when the system is up completely16:04
DocScrutinizerIf I were Nokia I knew the boots to get to kick the ISP16:04
angasule:( I can't get OSM data into mapper16:05
ShadowJK_kick the isp for what16:06
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LuciusMarefor butts,apparently16:07
chem|stDocScrutinizer: by now the timeout of DNS caches is reached, you wont get any IP the one I had listed was the old one, also the server is down because of this failed NFS mount16:08
wazdis there any gui for imagemagick?16:08
chem|stwazd: ???16:08
RST38hwazd: nope.16:09
chem|stwazd: what do you wnat to do?16:09
ShadowJK_if it does come back with a new IP, the nxdomain cache time is probably much much lower, and then the new ip would spread almost immediately16:09
chem|stmy imagemagick gui:
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wazd ?16:10
chem|stShadowJK_: at the moment the does not respond at all to me16:10
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chem|stwazd: but not for N90016:11
ShadowJK_works for me16:11
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wazdchem|st: I'm not talking bout n90016:11
wazdchem|st: any gui16:11
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chem|stwazd: there are some web-based guis for fontediting but I dont know any usable guis16:14
chem|stat least not for desktop16:14
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chem|stif you want a gui for imagemagick you might just use gimp...16:14
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awwaiidI use mdbus on the openmoko a lot and it is quite nice16:17
pupnikunique311 had a gimp built for n800 iirc16:17
DocScrutinizerawwaiid: so have you tried it on the N900?16:18
awwaiidno. here, lets see...16:18
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Stskeepswazd, imagemagick is a bunch of command line tools16:21
awwaiidDocScrutinizer, works in general after wget (lists services), now trying to send a message...16:23
wazdStskeeps: well, yeah, I see :D16:23
wazdStskeeps: can you remind me yesterday's Marina link?16:24
DocScrutinizer51awwaiid: cool. My wget is 'missing' :-/16:24
LuciusMareno imagemagick for maemo?16:24
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chem|stLuciusMare: make a list... I was doing so for myself, but as long as I dont have a N900 I cant test the stuff at a device, I will port or find some of my friends if Im not capable to port my favourite CLI tools16:27
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awwaiidDocScrutinizer51, this works: ./mdbus -s org.freedesktop.Notifications  /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog  'Hello, world!' 0 'NAO OK!'16:28
chem|stawwaiid: what OS do you use your moko with?16:28
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DocScrutinizer51awwaiid: nice16:28
awwaiidwhich is a bit simplified from dbus-send, and has good introspection built in16:28
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xorAxAxjohnq: ping (This message has been postponed.)16:28
johnqxorAxAx: ?16:29
chem|stdoes anyone know which nick here is Niels?16:29
RST38hSaint Nick?16:29
awwaiidchem|st, hackable1 or SHR (I swithch randomly). but i haven't played with it as much lately for SOME reason16:29
RST38h"How about another Dirty Harry movie where Clint looks the way he looked in 1975?" Cameron suggests. "Or a James Bond movie where Sean Connery looks the way he did in Doctor No? How cool would that be?"'16:30
* RST38h facepalms16:30
chem|stawwaiid: a friend of mine runs android atm, he didnt get any OS in a state of realy usable16:30
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chem|stsometimes he had GSM running but not network or network and no gsm then no gps but gsm and so on16:31
DocScrutinizer51awwaiid: SOME starts with N and ends with 900?16:31
LuciusMareso,if anyone has free time on their hands,port imagemagick16:31
awwaiidI had a sweeet debian install going on there for a while... but I "upgraded" without a backup and never quite got it back.16:31
awwaiidDocScrutinizer51: perhaps :)16:31
chem|stis Mer an option?16:31
jebbawow. still down. Hmm.16:32
chem|stjebba: wow... wrong chanel...16:32
awwaiid6es, but last I knew there was no phone stack (working) on mer. but I'm not up to date16:32
DocScrutinizer51jebba: yeah grrr >:-(16:32
DocScrutinizer51jebba: and I'm missing wget here16:33
jebbaDocScrutinizer51:   mirror  ;)16:33
awwaiidok, I'm going to go to my flight now... I kinda like this always connected thing + 3.5G :)16:33
DocScrutinizer51jebba: pain to setup?16:33
awwaiidjebba, see mdbus stuff above and thanks for your dbus wiki doc :)16:34
DocScrutinizer51awwaiid: have a nice trip16:34
UQsfanyone using any particulary pleasant font for xterm, not sure I like the default one :/16:34
awwaiidflying back to DC from florida after perl oasis conference16:35
DocScrutinizer51awwaiid: isn,t exactly my wiki16:35
jebbaDocScrutinizer51: easy to set up. Just like adding a new repo:
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DocScrutinizer51well. I'll try to get it right. stay tuned to help me out please16:35
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redbtw is the offline mode really offline mode, so theres 0 wifi/mobile signal16:36
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redreason I'm asking is airplane usage :p16:36
MaemohammadAGmeh no t6 separate bit16:36
chem|stred: refer to your manual16:36
redI will if nobody knows :)16:37
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DocScrutinizer51jebba: distribution? components?16:37
redor well, forums/google first16:37
redgetting up is a pain16:37
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Guest68982I want n900 :)16:37
DocScrutinizer51red: yes16:38
DocScrutinizer51red: offline is specified for use in airplanes16:38
LuciusMareu stupid piece of crap,yes,that is a link and yes, i want to click on it?16:38
Triztwhere do you find the index file for tracker? would like to test to delete that and see if it will then ignore ~/MyDocs/.images according to the new settings16:39
DocScrutinizer51jebba: ???16:40
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DocScrutinizer51jebba: ping16:40
* LuciusMare sigkills the browser16:40
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DocScrutinizer51LuciusMare: powerbutton -> 'stop current task'16:41
redDocScrutinizer51: thats what I hoped for goodie :)16:41
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jebbaDocScrutinizer51:  did you go to that page?16:43
* LuciusMare is in rage16:43
jebbait even has a screenshot...16:43
DocScrutinizer51no, i entered the URL to appmngr new repo16:43
LuciusMareanybody experiencing the same stupid problem display ignoring any sign of link and displays normal menu like when clicking to non-link?16:43
jebbaah, just go to that page in a web browser  :)16:43
LuciusMarei want to copy a link and it does not register it16:44
xorAxAxjohnq: hi16:44
LuciusMarei mean,it does not notice it,it acts like there was normal text16:44
DocScrutinizer51jebba: didn't realize I'm supposed to go there16:44
xorAxAxjohnq: i started evopedias map feature and now the gps icon doesnt stop blinking16:44
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* LuciusMare wgets and cats the freaking page16:46
LuciusMarei want my link and you wont stop me,buggy software16:46
* LuciusMare has a link16:48
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bfreeanyone know of a way (or bug/brainstorm to vote for perhaps) to make the N900 right handed.  There's places where you can press and hold on screen to bring up menu's, but I find that doing that with my right index finger means I can't see the resulting menu without contortions.16:59
ShadowJK_whoah, I never realized it was left handed :)17:00
cehtehits the first cross handed device ever invented :)17:00
cehtehnext time the keyboard will slide out on the upper side :)17:01
ShadowJK_I know what you mean, I just never rrealized it could be fixed by making menu pop up left of finger instead of right17:01
cehtehmoving menus to the bottom..17:01
timeless_mbp!last ping timeless17:02
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timeless_mbpbfree: you're welcome to brainstorm17:03
bfreeyep as long as the screen space is there then imvho it should pop out left of finger (unless you set it to left-handed mode, most people are rightys ;-)17:03
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timeless_mbpthe device doesn't realize that it isn't designed for right handed people17:03
redcoming to think of it, never realized that it could be changed too17:04
redjust accepted it as an annoying quirk17:04
timeless_mbpred: we don't really have a way to change it17:04
rednot us no17:04
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redbut kinda just didnt even give it a thought, just ignored17:04
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superdumpany news on the repo servers?17:06
superdumpi looked at the url in the topic17:06
superdumpnothing since 20 hours ago on there it seems17:07
timeless_mbpsuperdump: did you notice today was a sunday?17:07
timeless_mbpand that oddly enough, yesterday was a saturday?17:07
superdumpyes, but i can still ask...17:07
ShadowJK_I think that's why he was trying to do stuff ;-)17:07
superdumphey ShadowJK_17:08
w00ttimeless_mbp: to not have someone on call for infra stuff seems a bit ..17:08
timeless_mbpw00t: welcome to maemo.org17:08
timeless_mbpdone wrong on a shoestring17:08
ShadowJK_I bet they'd just be sitting there playing cards waiting for the spare parts on monday anyway17:09
w00ttimeless_mbp: is there a feedback loop to help fix such broken processes?17:09
timeless_mbpw00t: what do you want?17:09
timeless_mbpi think they're changing ISPs17:09
DocScrutinizer51hmmm mdbus is really handy17:09
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timeless_mbpdo you think they're so absolutely clueless as to not notice there's a problem?17:10
w00ttimeless_mbp: of course not17:10
w00ttimeless_mbp: but noticing a problem and acting to fix it are two different things17:10
timeless_mbpfeedback loops are only useful if one can act17:10
w00ttimeless_mbp: if this is the ISP's problem then I would have really big questions to be asking them with regards to SLAs17:10
timeless_mbpw00t: did i mention that we're in Finland?17:11
w00ttimeless_mbp: I know this, however I think you're trying to convey something that is missing my attention :-)17:11
timeless_mbpthere's no such thing as 'service' in finland17:11
timeless_mbpthey only work during business hours17:11
timeless_mbpand they don't make commitments17:11
superdumpeven nokia...?17:11
timeless_mbpand it's all done by contractors17:11
ShadowJK_and the servers probably aren't in finland, unless nokia feels like blowing 29 times more money than necedssary17:11
w00tso you have no concept of overtime there?17:11
w00tsomething seems very, very broken there17:12
timeless_mbpyou're just realizing this now?17:12
superdumpif it's not going to be fixed until monday at the earliest, maybe someone should post that in the link in the topic17:12
timeless_mbpwell, better late than never :)17:13
w00tI work for a 20 person company with no real management and even we can manage to call someone up on a weekend, offer them OT, and get a problem fixed when the shit hits the fan17:13
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timeless_mbpsuperdump: i'm sorry17:13
DocScrutinizer51~hail jebba17:13
* infobot bows down to jebba and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"17:13
timeless_mbpthe topic has
timeless_mbpwhat is remotely unclear about it?17:13
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chem|stX-Fade: now awake?17:14
chem|stwho is niels btw17:14
superdumptimeless_mbp: 'work is ongoing' gives no kind of ETA and you seem to be suggesting that as it's the weekend it's not going to get fixed until at least monday17:15
superdumpmaybe adding that information would be useful to readers17:15
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timeless_mbpand maybe it'd be wrong17:15
timeless_mbpi'm not in contact with them17:15
timeless_mbpbut i do live in Finland17:15
jebbaw00t: i 100% agree by the way. I've started a few different threads on maemo-devel list about this...17:15
timeless_mbpand i've seen "infrastructure" not heal very quickly17:15
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jebbaoftentimes if it croaks friday night, it doesn't come back til monday. It's mind boggling actually.17:16
jebbai bet they have like 95% uptime or worse (literally)17:16
w00tit's not just mind boggling, to me at least, it's incomprehensible17:16
w00tbut then, that's probably because I'm usually the one working the OT17:16
w00t(usually *before* I get called about it.. and it's not because I lack a life, it's just because I know about it before my boss does)17:17
Stskeepsit does seem like they are getting a really angry call though (see tmo thread)17:17
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ShadowJK_since getting my n900 I remember one weekend where something didn't croak :)17:17
ifreqif you do projects/migrations on weekend you usually have resources preserved (or atleast should be)17:17
w00tifreq: see, that's the other thing17:17
timeless_mbpifreq: 'preserved' is the wrong word17:17
ifreqtimeless_mbp: yeah sorry for that17:17
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ifreqtimeless_mbp: i ment reserved17:18
w00tiif you do major stuff like this, you don't do it on a friday when nobody is going to be around the day after :|17:18
* timeless_mbp shrugs17:18
jebbaw00t: see:
chem|stis anyone of you admin of at least one server?17:18
timeless_mbpi would never do hosting in .fi17:18
DocScrutinizer51well we won't change things today, no matter how much rant and whining. If Nokia feels that,s been a major impact on their customer convenience and corporate image then they probably want to do it better *next time*17:18
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timeless_mbpthe problem nokia has is roughly this:17:19
w00tI don't feel that what has been going on here has been ranting.. at least, if I'm coming across that way, it's not my intention17:19
jebbawell, what the hell sysadmin setup doesn't have 24/7 coverage? Akamai *must* have 24/7 folks... They're huge.17:19
ifreqim ok with missing repos atm.. no need to update somethin continuoysly :)17:19
timeless_mbpwith time the customer base grows17:19
w00tI'm just trying to provide my view about it17:19
jebbachem|st: ya, i am now  ;)17:19
ifreqjebba: :-)17:19
timeless_mbpwhich means that even if they do manage to scale up a bit to match a previously missed capacity17:19
timeless_mbpit doesn't actually match the current demands17:19
timeless_mbpsecond, we're trying to avoid using the IT infrastructure17:19
jebbaw00t: i do have a mirror setup:
chem|stthis is a server move in progress, it went wrong and ISP messes up and DNS change did hang...17:20
timeless_mbpwhich takes 6months to roll out _anything_17:20
w00tjebba: I don't need anything right now, so I'm not really majorly inconvenienced17:20
jebbawell, they should just have public mirrors, for starters at least. That's like the base minimum.17:20
timeless_mbpthat means we need to find someone willing to treat us as a small fish17:20
w00tbut I understand that people in the middle of things (on a weekend, when they have time to hack) are probably a bit annoyed17:20
timeless_mbpbecause we aren't the big 'nokia' fish17:20
ifreqjebba: yeah im sure there is lots of voluteenteers for mirros like us17:20
timeless_mbpwe're 'some small group with some tiny budget'17:20
ifreqthat shouldnt be a prob.17:20
timeless_mbpifreq: i can actually stick a mirror on dreamhost, i've done it before17:21
chem|stjebba: the mirror thing I do not understand, any distro mirrors as much as they can to spread the traffic17:21
timeless_mbpthe problem is that not all content can be legally mirrored17:21
ifreqi can host on my own servers timeless_mbp .. and yes thats the point.. cant mirror all stuff atm.17:21
jebbaifreq: well, don't even need "volunteers like us" really. The free software world already has hundreds of mirrors they could tap into by just sending one freaking email.17:21
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ShadowJK_dreamhost probably has people around 24/7, but probably no spare parts :D17:21
timeless_mbpiirc includes stuff which is supposedly bound by a nokia distribution clause17:21
ifreqjebba: thats true :)17:21
chem|stjebba: exactly17:21
jebbaat least free stff could17:21
timeless_mbpcomplaining today will not get anyone anywhere17:22
jebbai'll have a third mirror up in about 15 minutes at a different data center.17:22
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ifreqtimeless_mbp: no ones complaining. i see only suggestions and wonderings.17:22
jebbaCOMPLAIN! that's one way to be heard. Everyone should complain. :)17:22
ShadowJK_how big is this failing SAN anyway... iirc when's raid array failed it took half a week to run fsck17:22
chem|stjebba: non-free too...17:22
w00ttimeless_mbp: it won't get anyone anywhere, but it might help enable more fluent discussion about solutions next week17:22
jebbathis is the official bug report place:
povbot`Bug 5818: We need servers17:22
timeless_mbpnot a chance17:22
timeless_mbpit only works if the relevant people are listening17:22
timeless_mbpand clearly they aren't17:23
timeless_mbpif they were, they'd be speaking instead of me17:23
jebbaShadowJK_: can't be too big. The entire repository is only 32G17:23
jebbaand all the archives. I'm guessing less than a terabyte.17:23
w00tbut taking a pessimistic stance means you win from the outset17:23
DocScrutinizer51~praise jebba17:23
infobotAll hail jebba!17:23
w00tby being optimistic about this, sure, we might fail, but at least we tried :-)17:23 fremantle free works17:23
timeless_mbphave you all read ?17:23
chem|stjebba: 4TB raid took abaout 24h to recover17:24
jebbatimeless_mbp: you mean the doc from October?17:24
timeless_mbpit's last modified december :)17:24
jebbachem|st: then use a different FS17:24
timeless_mbpnot that stale :)17:24
timeless_mbpchem|st: ZFS.17:24
jebbaya, and it's only January 17....17:24
timeless_mbpjebba: things are slow in the winter in Finland :)17:24
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jebbai've fsck'd 3 terabyte raids and it didnt take that long. Need better hardware ;)17:25
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ifreqjebba: sure its hardware ;P17:25
jebbathat was even crappy 3ware cards too ;)17:25
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DocScrutinizer51timeless_mbp: slow like loading that URL you mentioned? ;-D17:26
chem|stjebba: timeless_mbp on hardware raid? what for? and it wasnt to recover the FS just to recover the raid properly17:26
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timeless_mbpchem|st: to skip hardware raid17:26
timeless_mbpcommodity disks.17:26
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DocScrutinizer51actually it's not just slow. it hangs on loading some 60%17:27
jebbai was talking about hardware raid, fwiw, on "average" SATA drives17:27
jebbai can't even get right now front page...17:27
chem|sttimeless_mbp: why should I want software raid if I can have hardware raid...17:28
jebbathis is pretty funny
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ShadowJK_that's the usual weekend activity peak load isn't it ;)17:28
LuciusMarei lost the connection17:28
timeless_mbpchem|st: rebuilding raid is a pain17:28
timeless_mbpZFS recovery is better17:28
chem|sttimeless_mbp: yes it is17:28
ShadowJK_luciusmare: I got text :)17:28
chem|styou mean faster?17:28
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chem|straid on FS layer isnt my first choice17:29
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chem|sta good point is to get rid of fsck for powerlosses...17:31
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jebbaok, third mirror at second data center online.17:31
DocScrutinizer51ok. borked. jebba hero of the day. /me happy with mdbus and away17:32
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ShadowJK_I like the way is on a different isp :-)17:33
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jebbaawwaiid: mdbus looks cool thx  :)17:34
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timeless_mbpShadowJK_: is on a different ISP too :)17:34
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timeless_mbptwo eggs outside the primary basket :)17:35
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chem|stqgil: hey17:36
qgilhi, can you access ?17:37
chem|stqgil: thanks for your message, I cant access anything apart of talk properly...17:37
qgilok, no worries just wanted to know how big the scope17:38
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qgiltime to have a proper Sunday I guess   ;)17:38
ShadowJK_I was able to access wiki 5 minutes ago on my n81017:38
LuserI can access but looks like css/images not. it's only text, as awfull as my website17:39
qgilmaybe Jaffa 's proposal has been slashdotted?  ;)17:39
ShadowJK_jebba: dude it's pretty impressive/scary that your mirror pegged 100mbit/s17:39
ShadowJK_like, I'd imagine only a handful of users would have added it17:40
superdumpCorsixTH seems to not be packaged properly or somehting...17:40
superdumpwhen running from a terminal it complains about /home/user/MyDocs/Hospital/ not being a directory17:40
superdumpi guess the installer was supposed to create it...?17:41
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sp3000installers aren't supposed to touch $HOME :)17:41
superdumpthen maybe it needs optifying?17:41
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sp3000(well, for this usual class of installers, anyway)17:41
timeless_mbpsp3000: hi17:41
ShadowJK_it might make sense for some to move big data files to MyDocs17:41
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jebbaShadowJK_: ya, i was surprised for sure too, actually. The bandwidth stats have gone a bit whack now though (e.g. reporting 0 traffic), so i'm not sure what it is at the moment. I do have webstats here:17:42
sp3000timeless_mbp: went skiing, bumped into zeeshan17:42
sp3000why was I not expecting that? :)17:42
jebbacrappy webstats:17:42
ShadowJK_jebba: install iptrav or something in ssh and checkÅ :)17:42
cvandonderenwhen will be online again?17:42
sp3000timeless_mbp: clearly this is a small town ;)17:43
jebbaShadowJK_: ya, lots of ways to do it, not *that* interesting to me though. I'll leave it to netdepot  ;)17:43
ShadowJK_the last post by tekojo to the tmo thread said "However tomorrow morning it has to come back."17:43
jebbacvandonderen: who knows. see for a mirror.17:43
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jebbaI kind of call "bullshit" on the line that akamai has no one to fix this stuff on the weekend17:44
timeless_mbpjebba: afaict you had 20 robots17:44
ShadowJK_jebba: I wouldn't want to mirror on my server then, I "only" have 5T per month :)17:44
jebbatimeless_mbp: what makes you think that?17:44
timeless_mbp20 17/Jan/10 08:42/
ShadowJK_jebba: seems it's about stage.maemo which isn't akamai?17:44
jebbaah, ya, but that's not who was downloading everything.17:44
timeless_mbp20 17/Jan/10 08:39/
ShadowJK_dunno how it works, but I'm guessing sgage feeds akamai17:45
cvandonderenjebba: thanks :-)17:45
timeless_mbpi can't imagine 20 people snarfed libcap17:45
jebbaShadowJK_: akamai mirrors stage afaict17:45
timeless_mbpwhatever the heck that is17:45
timeless_mbpjebba: that sounds right17:45
timeless_mbpand generally akamai isn't going to keep/offer content that upstream 'disappears' iirc17:45
timeless_mbpso it actually makes sense17:45
timeless_mbpakamai isn't reliability, it's distribution17:46
jebbatimeless_mbp: every access of that had "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("17:46
ShadowJK_oh hey, that maemo weekly news wiki link qgil pasted.. it eventually loaded with css and all :)17:46
cvandonderentimeless_mbp: well, Akamai has an uptime guarantee too17:46
timeless_mbpcvandonderen: sure, is the akamai host actually down?17:46
timeless_mbpbecause if it's up and serving "go away"17:46
timeless_mbpbecause that's what the thing it's mirroring is serving17:47
cvandonderenis not an Akamai machine?17:47
timeless_mbpthat's not akamai doing anything wrong17:47
jebbatimeless_mbp: see
cvandonderennormally it resolves to a for me17:47
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jebbaDNS was totally foo too, which is nokia....17:47
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* timeless_mbp can't find an answer17:48
timeless_mbp; <<>> DiG 9.4.3-P3 <<>> repository.maemo.org17:48 2010011701 7200 3600 1209600 360017:48
timeless_mbpso nokia owns it, yippee17:48
Stskeepsi do wonder why rep is down too, maybe dns got messed up and then no akaamai will help17:48
jebbatimeless_mbp: those accesses all look "legit", no?  That's just today's (not yesterday too)17:48
chem|sttimeless_mbp: thats output I had last night...17:48
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timeless_mbpchem|st: but there's no content in the answer section17:49
timeless_mbpjebba: pastebin the logs for robots.txt17:49
ShadowJK_if akamai basically works like a distributed squid infront of stage., then stage vanishing would make repository.maemo serve 404 too, right...17:49
timeless_mbpchem|st: that's purely nokia's fault17:49
user_abcHello! Is there already a profile manager that switches profies at a certain time?17:49
timeless_mbpShadowJK_: yep17:49
chem|sttimeless_mbp: it changed to17:49
chem|st; <<>> DiG 9.5.1-P3 <<>> repository.maemo.org17:49
chem|st;; global options:  printcmd17:49
chem|st;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached17:49
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sle Can someone please help me with making this example: installable with an icon ?17:50
timeless_mbp;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 4017417:50
timeless_mbpis what i'm getting :)17:50
sp3000yeah I get nxdomain for rmo too :)17:50
sp3000meh, who's gonna miss that ;)17:50
jebba  timeless_mbp   confirms they are legit....17:51
chem|stwiki is loading... in hours, now I have content but no css...17:51
timeless_mbpjebba: alright17:52
jebbatimeless_mbp: seeeee?  ;)    lots of users using it, no doubt...17:52
* timeless_mbp still finds it odd that 20 humans would try to load robots.txt17:52
timeless_mbpconclusion: we have some really stupid humans17:52
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bfreeI think I'll wait for the server to come properly back to life before trying to register to post my right-handed brainstorm ;-)17:53
jebbatimeless_mbp: well, some are wget and some are likely google, so not *all* those robots were human  ;)   most bots know to not index .deb and such for their own sake.17:53
timeless_mbpjebba: not true17:53
timeless_mbpwhen i hosted a mirror, i had bots grabbing debs17:53
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ShadowJK_hey everyone, let's wget -r jebba's mirror before it too dies! ;-)17:54
jebba*most*  ;)17:54
timeless_mbpmaybe not17:54
timeless_mbpmy current robots just seem to crawl, they don't seem to taste17:54
jebbaShadowJK_: go for it. I set up rsync so you can mirror the whole thing easily  :)     (there's 3 of them now too, btw, in two different places)17:55
timeless_mbp67.218.116.166 - - [17/Jan/2010:07:21:05 -0800] "GET /repository/ HTTP/1.0" 404 334 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Twiceler-0.9"17:55
ShadowJK_jebba: it was a joke :)17:55
oscillikruskie: hi, i was speaking to someone last night who said that you might be able to give me a hand with adding your repo to my N900?17:55
ShadowJK_but rsync is awesome17:55
ShadowJK_does/did have rsync?17:56
timeless_mbpjebba: did you see the .deb i made to change the dns for
* timeless_mbp wonders if that's still around17:56
ruskieoscillik, adding it is straightforward17:56
jebbaShadowJK_: no, they don't do rsync (!!!)17:56
Luserbug 8139: not resolvable17:56
povbot`Bug not resolvable17:56
jebbatimeless_mbp: no didn'¿t see that deb17:57
timeless_mbpjebba: just fix the DEBIAN bits to match your ip addresses17:57
timeless_mbpand have people install that17:57
timeless_mbpmake the version number 0.1-1 though17:57
timeless_mbpbecause some one could have 0.1 installed :)17:57
uhsfApple's latest move should only urge americans to get more N900 quicker and finally Apple will never get what they want.17:57
Stskeepswhat move? :17:58
redye, what move?17:58
jebbatimeless_mbp: well, i don't want to muck with their dns and resolving of though.....17:58
timeless_mbpjebba: when the package uninstalls the dns reverts :)17:58
ShadowJK_apple is trying to get nokia banned from selling devices in the US17:58
uhsfStskeeps: red: Apple Seeks To Ban Nokia Imports To US.17:58
oscilliki must be doing something really wrong then :(17:58
reduhsf: ye the counter lawsuti for Nokia suing Apple :P17:59
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jebbatimeless_mbp: cool trick, but i'd rather have them do it manually for now.17:59
redKodak is now also suing apple for patent infringments.17:59
gevaertsnot very surprising. Nokia is trying to get Apple banned from selling devices in the US17:59
ruskieoscillik, what's the problem17:59
redgevaerts: Nokia is actually demanding royalties for patents, not to ban importing of their products.17:59
johnqxorAxAx: sorry, I was afk17:59
oscillikruskie: trying to add via App Manager, putting the url in the Web address field, and then "opt" in the components that not the right way to go about it?18:00
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redI bet after enough fighting over, Apple will settle with Nokia and Kodak and pay up.18:00
ruskieoscillik, no18:00
redNot like it would bankrupt them.18:00
johnqxorAxAx: it should stop after some time if you close the browser18:00
ruskieoscillik, the url includes opt18:00
gevaertsthey'll reach some sort of agreement, yes18:00
ruskiethe component field is ./18:00
oscillikruskie: thanks, i'll give that a go now :)18:01
redThe style just is, you gotta countersue, or it leaves the door for other tryers too open :P18:01
ruskiecomponent would be blank18:01
redquite typical18:01
ruskieit's the distribution that's ./18:01
ruskieanyway last field is blank18:01
oscillikthink that might've worked - it's not thrown up a complaint this time18:02
ruskiewhat are you looking for btw?18:03
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oscilliki was trying to install your gcoreutils :) just tried now though, and apt-get is saying "gcoreutils: PreDepends: libattrl (>= 2.4.41-1) but 2.4.16-2~maemo1 is to be installed E:Broken packages"18:04
pupniksue everybody!18:05
oscilliki'm guessing it's something i need from maemo repos18:05
ruskieii  libattr1                                            1:2.4.43-118:06
ruskiethat's what I have installed18:06
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ShadowJK_whoah, gcoreutils? :)18:06
ruskiealso gtar18:07
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ShadowJK_is it optified?18:07
* ShadowJK_ runs18:07
ruskieif you use the opt repo18:07
ruskieI don't18:07
ruskieI have two.. opt and nonopt18:07
ruskiealso break that can break things ;)18:07
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cvandonderencan one still not add a Qt4 widget to the desktop?18:09
cvandonderenthat you have to use a shortcut first?18:09
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xorAxAxjohnq: ah18:13
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Macerbunch of silly stuff... must be hinet at it again18:14
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Macerthe world should just blacklist :)18:15
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wazdoh, new firmware for e63 :P18:21
wazdno portrait browsing though :)18:22
RST38hwazd: but MMS support present? =)18:23
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DocScrutinizer51desktop cmd execution widget is rather nice. Alas it seem you can add/activate just exactly *one* of those to desktop which makes it kinda crippled out of no need18:25
wazdRST38h: yep :D18:25
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jf-anyone got global emmc image? upload to somwhere pls because the servers are down18:27
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wazdmeh, 103 Mb of "stuff"18:29
RST38hOTA! OTA!18:29
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oscillikOTA update caused problems for me, so i had to reflash18:32
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Caesiumanyone ever notice widgets disappear from their maemo desktop without explanation? :/18:38
CaesiumI have to keep re-adding OMweather and Personal Dataplan Monitor for some reason18:39
wazdhaha, changelog18:40
wazd- amazing new features18:40
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inzCaesium, HD at least used to disable plugins when it crashed18:50
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greenflyI'm assuming the errors I'm getting with the package manager for repos is due to the server move?18:51
SpeedEvilThe guy with the key to the server room is in the sauna.18:52
siriusnovais he in the Sauna with ladies18:52
siriusnovaor just by himself18:52
villagersteal his clothes18:52
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gevaertsvillager: we want the key, not the clothes!18:53
villagerwhat if the key is in the clothes18:53
gevaertsah, good thinking18:53
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mtnbkrCaesium: I have seen this random behavior too... All widgets/shortcuts gone when I was making wallpaper chnages - but the contacts dsesktop has always remained fine.19:02
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sivanghey all19:10
sivangwhat's up with the fremantel extras ?19:10
sivangis it down for the last 2 days?19:10
fralsmirror in topic19:10
bfreedoh, I just discovered my media player won't play anything now saying unsupported codec (or silently failing on the 9 and n900 videos).  I did install the extras codecs support 0.3 :-/ strangley the mp3 ringtone works fine in profiles but won't play in "media player" (kmplayer seems ok)19:10
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redkmplayer uses its own codecs19:12
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SpeedEvilA killer app for maemo 5. Clown detection
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goodwillrepository still down?19:15
rednow theres an url to click19:15
mtnbkrSpeedEvil: lol was just reading that story...19:15
bfreewierd, just rebooted and now some stuff (like the mp3 I'm using as ringtone) does play :-/19:15
fralsred: yeah, after reading all the notices from ircops, one really have to click it :D19:15
* mtnbkr wonders when ringtone-per-contact will be available19:16
andre__goodwill, until tomorrow19:16
odin_once I have packages to release, what is the next step ?  or what is the wiki page relating to that workflow?  thanks19:17
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sivangjebba: can I offer my server for more mirroning ?19:22
sivangjebba: I understandt Extras is hosed19:22
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matthew-guys, is there any way of getting maps pre downloaded on my cell?19:24
matthew-so it works smoother?19:24
jebbasivang: you can mirror mine if you want19:24
jebbarsync is available which makes it a bit easier19:24
greenflymatthew-: yeah there is. the steps are on the forum19:24
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greenflyI think there might even be a wiki entry for it19:25
sivangjebba: cool, thanks19:25
matthew-smps: thanks19:25
fralshello RevdKathy o/19:26
redwhich one of those would work for n90019:26
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RevdKathyHi frals19:27
RevdKathyhow're you, frals? How's life?19:27
odin_does scratchbox work on x86_64 ?  or am I best to create an I386 debian Xen guest install , and then install scratchbox into that ?19:27
slonopotamushow i start video recording in pr1.1?19:27
pupnikcenter is supposed to be + and outside is supposed to be -?19:28
fralsI'm good, just packaged a new version of fMMS, after which I realised both garage and the repos are down so I did it for nothing really.. :D hows you?19:28
odin_frals, how are you dealing with the MMS APN issue ?19:28
RevdKathyI saw that everything was down and thought - by the time they get if fixed, fMMS will have six new updates :p19:28
fralsodin_: which one of the issues? ;-)19:28
RevdKathyMe? I'm... depressed19:28
odin_frals, i.e. when the MMS APN is connected, is WLAN disconnected (and all other internet disconnected) ?19:29
fralsodin_: for now, it has to be done manually19:29
odin_frals, there is also the GUI to configure up artibrary APNs issue, but thats not as major a problem as above19:29
smpsslonopotamus, open camera app & slider19:29
fralsthere is a way to disconnect all active connections, but i really don't wanna do that as its quite invasive :P19:29
smpsslonopotamus, and then tap onto "A" and down there on "Video Mode"19:29
slonopotamussmps, done that. switched to video mode.19:29
smpsslonopotamus, and there you go19:29
fralsodin_: for adding more IAP's i released fAPN ;-)19:29
fralsRevdKathy: that sucks :( anything you wanna chat about?19:30
slonopotamussmps, but how i _start_ recording?19:30
pupnikok, yep, and n810 charger shows 7 volts19:30
pupnikhit camera button slonopotamus19:30
RevdKathyYes loads, and no, nothing I can really talk about, frals. Just thought I could use some company19:30
smpsslonopotamus, press camera button on top of your n90019:30
slonopotamuspupnik, did that.19:30
RevdKathyso I popped in here for half an hour before starting some study19:30
pupnikwhat study19:30
RST38hUs as a company?19:31
RST38hOh no19:31
RevdKathyyeah - IRC = good company19:31
fralsRevdKathy: plenty of company here at least... ;)19:31
slonopotamuspupnik, smps nothing happens :)19:31
RevdKathyalways, frals :)19:31
odin_frals, I'm thinking of building something into "Settings" application, for APN setup and also allowing both GPRS/WLAN to be connected at same time (and selecting priority) and the MMS issue is that, I guess most/all operators have a walled garden for their MMS APN which means you don't want WLAN to disconnect while sending/receiving MMS ?19:31
slonopotamusit worked before pr1.1.19:31
odin_frals, there are some kernel requirements/changes needed for managing allowing both GPRS/WLAN to both be connected at same with without conflict and clear management19:32
slonopotamusah crap19:32
slonopotamusi wasn't pressing hard enough :/19:32
smpsslonopotamus, i just tested on mine its working19:32
slonopotamusstupid button.19:32
SplasPoodwow, angry birds is addictive19:32
fralsodin_: Yeah, every carrier ive heard about requires you to atleast be connected to their apn to send/receive MMS19:32
fralsodin_: would be awesome if you managed to solve it in a nice way :)19:33
slonopotamussmps, pupnik false alarm :)19:33
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odin_frals, yes I have the technical understanding of Linux/kernel/userspace to solve it, just need to keep messing with Maemo but need some UI in "Settings"19:33
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fralsodin_: cool19:34
pierluxthe repositories are still down?! that's 24 hours!19:34
smpspupnik, hahahah19:34
smpspupnik, cool19:34
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odin_shame with repos this weekend, not got much done at all (that I wanted to get done)19:36
tigertso is the dns borken still?19:38
odin_did anyone know is scratchbox works on 64bit Linux ?  Looks like I won't be able to upgrade from FC4 to FC12 anytime soon (X11 showstopper bugs)19:39
siriusnovathe world is so boring right now19:39
siriusnovawe need an alien invasion19:39
siriusnovato set things right19:39
odin_like an invasion of Andriod(tm)s ?19:40
siriusnovaAliens that are really slow moving Zombies19:41
smpsodin_, there is 64bit afaik for debian19:41
siriusnovaAliens + Zombies = Ultimate Shotgunning19:41
pekujaodin_: upgrading from FC4? O__o19:41
alterego_odin_: You could always use a VM? I have 64bit ubuntu as my host system on my develo[pment laptop and I use 32bit VM's for all my development systems, maemo-sdk is installed in a 32bit debian system for me.19:41
pekujaodin_: you should really upgrade more often19:41
alterego_Then I use X forwarding through ssh for xephyr connections19:41
ifreqodin_: you need to atleast go thru every distro by hand until fc8 (i mean upgrade +updatere repos)19:42
ifrequntil you can use preupdate cli which comes on fc8 :P19:42
ifreqand lets you update on the fly into 1219:42
odin_pekuja, why do I need to upgrade more often ?  I've always had a 4year cycles on reinstalls of my workstation box (it is only now things are being linked against GLIBC 2.4/2.5 which I don't have19:43
pupnikalterego has a good approach19:43
jebbaodin_: because you're running fedora, not openbsd....19:43
pekujaodin_: security for one thing19:43
odin_ifreq, I am not upgrading, I am reinstalling, hardware refresh at same time (a pair of 1.5Tb seagates)19:43
ifreqodin_: okay19:43
odin_pekuja, what kind of security ?  this is my desktop machine, only I use it, my browser, java development environment are kept uptodate manualy (as I use those applications always)19:45
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pekujaodin_: ok then19:48
jebbaodin_: even downloading a rouge .png can get you with old stuff like that19:48
pupnikI found 100% polyester dress pants!19:48
fralsRevdKathy: what kind of studying are you doing tonight then?19:49
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RevdKathyJust going to spend an hour or so transcribing some interviews19:49
RevdKathymindless stuff19:49
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RevdKathyand my latest pile from amazon arrived yesterday19:50
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* timeless_mbp grumbles19:51
timeless_mbpor was that my stomach?19:51
fralsRevdKathy: alright19:51
RevdKathyOk, I'd better go be productive - later guys!19:51
RevdKathygood luck with the mmses frals19:52
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matthew-ok, now could someone link me link to unzip. and where to place those downloaded maps :)19:54
matthew-as im on my n900 and its kinda hard to google on gprs interner :)19:54
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matthew-smps: :)19:56
smpsmatthew-, i did unzip on my computer and then copy over usb to n90019:57
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SpeedEvil1I would suggest apt-get install unzip19:58
smpsmatthew-, there is unzip somewhere in repos but they are down19:58
woglindeare the repos up again?19:58
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inzr.m.o doesn't even seem to have a dns entry atm19:59
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jebbai dont think they work weekends. Really. I'm not kidding. Hard to believe, but true.20:00
woglindeI wanted finished navit20:01
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tybolltok so whom do I need to send kosken to get maemo repos back online? ;)20:02
matthew-yeah repos are down20:02
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matthew-can i download unzip from somewhere else thou?20:02
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goodwillanyone here a fan a of sygic?20:03
sejorepositrory down?20:05
matthew-no? :)20:05
sejois there a mirror somewhere so I can instaal the sdk?20:05
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sejoFirefox can't find the server at
arachnist$ host
arachnistHost not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)20:06
sejo does link to there20:07
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Stskeepsread topic20:08
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sejoStskeeps: no link to sdk there20:09
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Stskeepsno, but repos are down so not much to do20:11
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pupniki have plenty of work here, no repo needed20:15
RST38hpupnik: You should really start committing stuff to Extras-* though20:17
RST38hEven although it is pain20:17
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arachnistcreating .deb is also a pain20:18
inzno it isn't20:19
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dmj726_n900Is fremantle extras down?20:20
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dmj726_n900Eta on being back?20:20
RST38hinz: It is. Consists of multiple complicated and badly explained steps.20:20
RST38hdmj: Monday.20:20
inzRST, sure, but it is still not pain; cumbersome, sure; pain, not. ;)20:21
inzRST, for example I prefer it over rpm packaging any day.20:21
RST38hinz: Pain as far as I am concerned20:21
RST38hSimple example:20:22
fralsinteresting, got dropped from my cellular network, now i rebooted and got a message with new service settings20:22
jebbainz, apt beats yum, but making a foo.spec is much better than makinga .deb....20:22
RST38hTry moving a directory inside your .deb to /opt, without resorting to postinst20:22
inzMaybe pain is in the eye of the beholder.20:22
inzjebba, I used to hate creating .specs20:23
inzjebba, debian packaging is almost fun =)20:23
jebbainz: ya, but it makes adding multiple Sources: easy, for instace. And patches are cleaner. And it's not spewed all over the place and...20:23
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jebbainz, you can't even include a debian/foo.png in maemo packaging!!!20:23
inzjebba, that is a problem with the .orig + .diff20:24
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caoticis there any way to increase the frequency of the notification led on the n900. I have to stare way longare than a glance to see if I have any notification20:31
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SpeedEvilcaotic: look at /etc/mce/*20:32
cehtehstill no app which helps reprogramming the notification lights?20:33
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SpeedEvilthis means - on a SMS - it's on for 250ms, and off for 2000, at an intensity of 1520:36
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SpeedEvilwith a timeout of 30 seconds, quite high priority - and only when the screen is off.20:37
SpeedEvilon ratehr20:37
SpeedEvilSimply changing that to 100/1000 will make it flash .1s/1s20:38
cehtehyeah ,, well for a programmer .. but errors there are rather unforgiving and its not very intuitive20:38
microlithan app for that wouldn't be too hard20:38
SpeedEvilbut errors aren't important20:38
microlithI'm happy that it's so well documented20:38
SpeedEvilI mean - they don't brick the device20:38
cehtehsome app where one can choose color and blink pattern would be really nice20:38
SpeedEvilthat would be nice20:39
cehtehi changed mine too20:39
cehtehbut its really nothing a causual user should touch20:39
chezgihello, i want to develop an application for maemo and i want to call someone and send some data to it. is this possible at all? and where can i find documents for that?20:39
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cehtehxorAxAx: btw since you have your device now .. do you think the profile switcher is a feasible project?20:40
SpeedEvil'send some data to it' ?20:40
chezgiSpeedEvil: ok i want to send "DATA" not "VOICE".20:41
microlithare NJoyRX44 and NJoyRX48 the N800 and N810?20:41
SpeedEvilchezgi: What do you mean by that. making a connection to it is like any other internet connected (often NAT'd) device20:41
chezgiSpeedEvil: i want to use GSM network no wifi network.20:42
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SpeedEvilAh. Followup in #m-d20:44
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plr_what is maemo-launcher and why it's complaining size mismatch when trying to upgrade20:48
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woglinde_jo wazd20:53
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cvandonderendo the libqt4-maemo5 packages contain any stuff from git, or is it just 4.6.0? I want to use setAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5ForcePortraitOrientation);21:13
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xorAxAxcehteh: yeah21:15
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cehtehfine :)21:17
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konttoriHey, have we mentioned in any changelog that change to fullscreen auto-toggles non-composite mode in pr1.1?21:26
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konttorianyway, if we haven't well, ^^^ ( instant gain of over 10% speed to any app by going to full screen)21:27
konttorisome apps gain up to 25% that way21:27
Stskeepsthat's kinda clever21:28
gevaertsoh, that probably explains the game performans improvements that people noticed21:28
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* gevaerts hasn't seen that in the wiki changelog at least21:29
fralsthats something you generally see companies brag about in changelogs ;)21:30
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konttoriI just realized that when I was looking at doom emulator and started thinking if it needs the perf boost or not21:31
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Stskeepsworth a small blog post to mention that trick21:32
RST38hkonttori: Yes, I have noticed that it toggles non-composite mode in PR1.1 =(21:32
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konttoriRST38h: why the sour face?21:34
konttoriit's good news, no?21:34
RST38hkonttori: FBReader back-to-windowed-mode icon went opaque in PR1.121:34
RST38hAnd now I know why...21:34
konttoriif you set any 'need' e.g. scaling for window, it will stay composited21:34
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konttorialso, if you have any window stack (e.g. a dialog), it will go non-composited21:35
konttoriand when dialog goes away, it switches back to non-composited21:35
konttoriwe thought to make things easier for the devs that way21:35
konttorialso, in pr1.2 there is a new auto-rotate window property21:35
konttorithat allows apps to stop having to listen to dbus messages about the accelerometer, or the kb opening a21:36
gevaertsopen a window and it rotates the phone? :)21:36
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* gevaerts should probably be ignored21:36
konttorialso, there is a new resize event for the windows early on21:37
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konttoriso, when rotation starts, the compositor takes snapshot of the window, then sends resize even to the window, then starts the rotation animation while the app itself is adjusting to new resolution21:38
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konttorithis makes the rotation smoother.21:38
RST38hkonttori: absolutely correct way to do it, as long as it works as advertised =)21:39
Jaffakonttori: Sounds good21:39
JaffaNice to have such things designed for fluidity21:39
RST38hresize event should really be the ONLY way to report rotation21:39
Jaffakonttori: PR1.2's a definite for release, then?21:39
Jaffa(or as definite as such things are)21:39
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konttoriwell, we might call it 5.2 if stars align right21:39
JaffaSounds sensible21:40
konttorialso, we might call if 5.3 if stars align a bit differently, but still about ok21:40
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konttorithere is definitely going to be a release between now and pr1.221:40
RST38hkonttori: Could you pull the correct strings to finally make POP3 work in Modest?21:40
konttoriwhat that will be called...21:40
* Jaffa 's only just convinced his mgmt that the development/project team should be in charge of x, y and z in 5.x.y.z. Marketing can own major, and we'll own everything else21:40
konttoriRST38h: bug #?21:40
RST38hkonttori: a moment21:41
RST38hbug #583921:41
povbot`Bug Modest gets stuck updating POP3 mailboxes21:41
RST38hbug #583621:42
povbot`Bug POP3 TCP connection is left open leading to locking issues21:42
RST38hbug #556721:42
povbot`Bug Cannot delete messages off POP3 server in Modest21:42
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* Jaffa hopes the modest patches for proper attribution and signature position get included in 5.x21:43
Stskeepspeople still use pop3?21:44
konttoriRST38h: so, how come you have not voted on those bugs?21:44
RST38h+ the damn thing DOES NOT LET COPY&PASTE email messages!21:44
RST38hkonttori: I have21:44
konttorianyway, especially 5836 looks really bad21:44
RST38hIf not, going to vote right away21:44
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RST38hkonttori: No shit, it prevents me from keeping track of my email account21:44
* microlith will use pop3 with gmail until it doesn't sync spam messages21:44
konttoricopy paste was just introduced in pannable areas in general21:44
konttoriso, that will be there in pr1.221:44
konttorikeep shift down in any pannable area and you can select content and copy it21:45
RST38hthat is related to that pan/select bug tracker right?21:45
Jaffakonttori: bug 2563 and bug 3700 ftw - they've even got patches attached!21:46
povbot`Bug Please provide an attribution line for replying21:46
povbot`Bug Put signatures not on top in replies (thereby not forcing top-post)21:46
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konttoriumm... dunno. This was a feature that was picked to be done roughly when device was released21:46
wazd_RST38h: if you'll have some free time - marina shots are much appreciated :P21:46
RST38hkonttori: Oh there is one more thing related to POP3, I have not reported it because it is being obscured by #583621:46
RST38hwazd: Ok, in a moment21:46
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RST38hkonttori: When you select "leave messages at the server", Modest will retrieve the same messages again and again21:47
RST38hkonttori: Reporting this is kinda pointless at the moment because Modest will lock after checking pop3 mailbox just a few times21:47
konttoriPlease report it now21:47
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konttoriwe have only few weeks of dev time for pr1.221:48
microlithRST38h: gmail must internally mark messages as retrieved and not show them to clients...21:48
konttorithat sounds like a good bug to fix21:48
RST38hmicrolith: Not everyone uses GMail.21:48
microlithjust noting what I've seen21:48
konttoriyou mean #556721:48
RST38hkonttori: ok, but only after I make sure that th ebug still exists in 1.121:48
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alterego_Just seems to me, that the "killer" phone application is a web browser.21:49
* gevaerts disagrees. The killer app is the terminal21:49
woglindethe killer app is sudo21:50
RST38hthe killer app is the weight and durability21:50
JaffaHehe, "killer", "terminal". Teehee.21:50
microlithgevaerts: for a specific audience, yes21:50
RST38hthat is what matters when you kill people with it21:50
gevaertsmicrolith: that's true for *all* killer apps21:50
JaffaRST38h: I find the built-in blowtorch to be quite handy21:50
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RST38hJaffa: Slow.21:50
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JaffaRST38h: Not if your victim is stood next to a fuel tank.21:51
RST38hJaffa: But good for thermorectal cryptoanalysis21:51
JaffaRST38h: That doesn't sound like fun; to receive anyway.21:51
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alteregoWell, I've just been talking to some friends that use iPhones, and asking them what apps they use, they all said "facebook", and other websites that do things like give them cinema times, local news and that kind of stuff.21:52
alteregoAll websites.21:52
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smpskonttori, do you know status of this bug report ?
povbot`Bug 7026: Can't get a GPS lock with several satellites at view21:52
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RST38h#7026 is The Bug21:53
RST38hEpic etc21:53
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RST38hwazd: Well...installing.21:55
konttorismps: I don't, but I have taken it now under my radar. I'll get the location guys working on it.21:57
smpskonttori, thx21:57
RST38hkonttori: #7026 is half-a-bug. Another half is Ovi Maps restarting gps acquisition every 30 seconds21:58
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smpsactually i did some tests with that location test gui app mentioned in bug report and have not used ovi maps at all21:58
smpsi was testing if phone can get location fix21:58
Stskeepskonttori: think quim is gently whipping them a bit on the issue already21:59
smpsthere are time where i get 5 sats in view and all of them have over 25 dbHz signals but no fix21:59
RST38hwazd: Miraculously I do not see too much disk space decrease22:00
konttoriHmm.. I will only next week start digesting the other teams, so I have quite bad knowledge of some components (e.g. gps ). will improve next week22:00
RST38hWhatever those 9MB contained, did not go to /22:00
RST38hTheme selector says "Marina by Andrew Zhilin"22:01
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Zoupis dead? i can not even resolve the address22:01
RST38hwazd: Ok, you want comments?22:01
smpsZoup, read topic22:01
fralsZoup: yes, mirror is in topic22:01
Jaffakonttori: You 1.2 mgr?22:02
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konttoriJaffa: I'll start managing OS from next week on for fremantle22:03
Jaffakonttori: Exciting stuff :)22:03
konttoriso, everything but the apps (well, OS includes also HAM, backup, file manager, contacts,xterm)22:04
konttoribut not e.g. rtcom nor browser.22:04
RST38hAaaa! Heeere you go!22:04
RST38hkonttori: XTerm!!! 8)22:04
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konttoriwhile, e.g. logically rtcom would be more part of the base level, and contacts part of apps.22:05
konttoribut, you know, it's not always logical in a big organization22:05
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konttoriwhat about xterm?22:05
RST38hkonttori: cannot configure shortcut bar, cannot move shortcut bar to the right22:05
StskeepsRST38h: didn't you have commit to osso-xterm?22:06
RST38hkonttori: Enter key behaves weirdly, because it is KP_Enter22:06
RST38hStskeeps: Still do, do not have time though22:06
konttorihmm... let's make bugs again for those lost features and we'll add those at some point.22:06
konttoriwell, some of them22:07
RST38hkonttori: ideally, would love full screen transparent keyboard overlay but yes, I do understand it is too much to ask22:07
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RST38hkonttori: We have all the bugs22:07
konttorithe shortcuts to right won't happen22:07
RST38ha moment22:07
RST38hkonttori: Why? There is even a patch22:07
konttoriit's so against the UI paradigm22:07
RST38hBut it is comfortable22:07
JaffaWhat about configurable shortcuts?22:07
konttorilast time I owned xterm (in diablo), we had so many discussions about that22:07
JaffaI miss ctrl-a,n and ctrl-a,p :-(22:07
RST38hMake it an option22:08
konttorisince then, I lost xterm for fremantle and now have regained it back22:08
RST38hJaffa: configurable, but only through the anus for now22:08
RST38hkonttori: if it is a secret gconf setting, that would already be sufficient22:08
Stskeepsyeah, people can just make a XTerm configurator or something :P22:08
fralssecret gconf-settings are awesome tbh22:09
konttorisure, we can think about that for the after pr1.2 release22:09
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RST38hOk, here we go: bug #3929, bug #4912, bug #4914, bug #4913, bug #5327, bug #532622:09
povbot`Bug Requesting integration of some community supplied XTerm enhancements22:10
povbot`Bug Add vertical shortcut placement option to XTerm22:10
povbot`Bug Add context menu to XTerm (for URLs, etc)22:10
povbot`Bug Add transparent full screen keyboard option to XTerm22:10
povbot`Bug Reintroduce shortcut configuration into Maemo5 XTerm22:10
povbot`Bug Reintroduce character encoding options into Maemo5 XTerm22:10
RST38hAnd bug #6045 to top it off22:10
povbot`Bug ENTER key stops working in XTerm22:10
RST38hkonttori: [you can instantly see what app geeks use most]22:10
konttoriwtf. the last must get fixed22:11
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RST38hit is a KP_Enter issue22:11
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MaemohammadAGdo nokia check all bugs? or does it depend on votes?22:13
MaemohammadAGcause this one hasn't been replied to by anyone
povbot`Bug 8089: Clicking notifications for e-mails in folders displays an error22:14
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pupnikgood summary RST38h22:20
RST38hwell the xterm issues are well known22:20
pupniki need to remember how i made fullscreen truly fullscreen so i can't access menu22:20
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pupniknow when i have one fullscreen xterm, and click the terminal desktop icon, it brings up my existing fullscreen xterm - and there's no way to open another one clicky-wise22:21
pupnikimo desktop icon should create a new xterm22:21
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RST38hwell, xterm is a single app that opens multiple windows22:27
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RST38hthat is how it has been designed afaik22:27
wazd_downloaded new firmware after 8 attempts :)22:27
RST38hwazd: Ok, you want comments on the theme, before I go do some chores?22:28
wazd_RST38h: sure22:28
RST38hwazd: 1) No little "cross" icons used in desktop editing mode (see screenshot)22:28
wazd_RST38h: ah22:28
RST38hwazd: 2) The background is way too bold, it practically obscures desktop shortcuts22:28
wazd_RST38h: then it is an old template22:28
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RST38hwazd: 3) highlighted buttons (SEND, END, etc) are too dark, they are hard to differentiate from normal buttons22:29
wazd_RST38h: background of what?22:29
RST38hwazd: desktop background22:29
wazd_RST38h: bold? :)22:29
RST38hwazd: 4) App Manager main screen is orange with...mhmm...PINK highlights.22:29
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RST38hwazd: 5) Media Player main screen is poisonously green =)22:30
wazd_RST38h: aaaah22:30
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wazd_RST38h: ok, that's a very old template, sorry :P22:30
RST38hwazd: bold as in yarkij, kontrastnyi22:30
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wazd_RST38h: yeah, now I see22:30
wazd_RST38h: "bloody" :D22:30
RST38hwazd: the default bg konttori used was actually a nice example of a good background22:31
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wazd_RST38h: these are current22:31
RST38hwazd: but anyway 6) Dark halves of the buttons are a bit too dark, they blend with the black background22:31
wazd_RST38h: that background is not mine :P22:31
konttoriI really like mer gb image22:31
RST38hYea, I know :)22:31
RST38hwazd: 7) dunno if it is doable, but can you make scroll bar knobs round? :)22:32
wazd_RST38h: don't think so22:32
RST38hwazd: Ah...well, no big deal22:32
* Stskeeps is a big fan of the Dexter-style variant background of the nokia hildon-theme-variant-template,
RST38hSts: is bloody! =)22:33
Stskeepsindeed it is22:33
RST38hwazd: (actually, I wanted to ask you to maybe fix the default Digital Life theme a little bit ;))22:34
cehteh... still waiting for a bright theme :P22:34
cehteh(and a new device)22:34
villagerpupnik: well, you can un-fullscreen the xterm, click the menu/title bar, and click "new", then re-fullscreen it... that's how I do it clicky-wise but it's a bit many clicks yeah22:35
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konttorisome nice bgs in here:
konttorie.g. this is pretty freakin great:
RevdKathyThere's a bright Pink theme if you want bright22:37
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konttorihey, we have nice new feature for bgs in pr1.2: all images of 3200x480 are automatically listed in the bgs list.22:38
villagerwell, I guess people might consider me slightly gay anyway, why not22:38
konttoriAny idea if that should be relaxed to cover also everything larger than that?22:38
Jaffakonttori: Nice; I think that's a good heuristic.22:38
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Jaffakonttori: People will be downloading images specifically of that size.22:39
RST38hkinda hard to expect someone to have an image of these dimensions by chance...22:39
cehtehRevdKathy: thinking more about black on white22:39
wazd_cehteh: I was really thinking to make some milky "ovi suite" style theme22:39
fralsRevdKathy: thats... really pink :D22:39
janszoonHello all: Simple question...what is th xterminal command to view battery level?22:39
RST38hcehteh: A NeXTstep theme!22:39
RevdKathyI have teddy bears22:39
RevdKathyyes, the pink is seriously... pink22:40
fralsjanszoon: lshal|grep batt22:40
RST38hNo desktop is complete without a NeXTstep theme22:40
RevdKathyI may use it for Valentines. One day peryear might be its limit22:40
janszoon@frals Thanks !22:40
cehtehwazd_: purpose: when using the n900 in bright sunlight .. much white and big/bold black text is best readable on the transreflexive display then22:40
RevdKathyI have the digital nature with a bears wallpaper22:40
timeless_mbpRevdKathy: so i have some questions for people22:40
RST38h<gone period="20m"/>22:40
cehtehso mostly white .. black text and few but satuated colors22:40
timeless_mbpJaffa: got time to read a draft blog entry?22:40
Jaffatimeless_mbp: As long as it's shorter than War & Peace...22:41
RevdKathyif I can help, timeless_mbp - not sure I can tho22:41
Jaffatimeless_mbp: About to sit down with the missus.22:41
Jaffatimeless_mbp: But I can take a look...22:41
cehtehbtw where is the relation between brightness sensor and screen brightness configured?22:41
MaemohammadAGlol angrybirds lvlpack1 is on a repo on my device22:41
timeless_mbpit's shorter :)22:41
MaemohammadAGcould be jebba's22:41
Stskeepsjanszoon: hal-device bme22:42
MaemohammadAGangrybirds-levelpack1 - Extra levels to Angry Birds22:42
fralson the topic of backgrounds, i love this for my "xterm and devstuff" desktop on the n900 ;D22:42
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janszoonIs there a wiki or something somewhere for simple xterminal commands like battery, CPU etc?22:43
konttorigood point. there should be, but there isn't afaik22:43
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RevdKathywould be really, really useful in the wiki22:44
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RevdKathyI;m surprised it doesn't already exist22:45
janszoonCool, can someone who knows this stuff think about setting it up, I'm sure HEAPS of people would benifit and enjoy :-)22:45 has hordes of info22:45
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RevdKathyis it in one tidy place, Stskeeps? Could we put it in one tidy place, like the keyboard shortcuts?22:46
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StskeepsRevdKathy: n900 tips and tricks not so much22:46
RevdKathywould it be worth making a page for 'common xterminal commands'?22:47
Stskeepsof course22:47
Stskeepsn900 cheatsheet22:47
RevdKathyThat would be brilliant :)22:47
RevdKathyYes please!22:47
janszoonthat souds good...looking at wiki too though....just hard to see in one view ;-)22:47
* Stskeeps is sitting and looking at a way to do miniprojects in a community22:47
chem|sthi RevdKathy btw22:47
RevdKathyHi Chm|st22:48
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chem|st'common xterminal commands'?22:48
chem|stwhat are you after? "df -h" like stuff?22:49
RevdKathyhow do I move a brainstorm on now, so it doesn't get stuck at the ideas stage? O wise one of the Brainstorm (chem|st)22:49
chem|stRevdKathy: dont know yet22:49
RevdKathyyeah - df -h, the command to see the exact battery level22:49
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chem|stso real basics?22:50
RevdKathyI want to know whether I can do the python optify safely22:50
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RevdKathyyeah - a few basic ones for us linux n900bs to try22:50
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RevdKathy(only python I ever knew was a dance partner)22:50
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chem|stshould I start typing at the wiki then?22:50
RevdKathyyes please! do22:51
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RevdKathythe first xterm command I ever used was the battery level22:51
RevdKathythen Hopbeat talked me through colecting sheep22:51
chem|steverything apart of talk is stuck for me at the moment, dont know what the guys do but there seems to be some kind of css messup22:51
RevdKathyyeah - it's all part of the server crash22:52
JaffaRevdKathy: "Do the Python optify safely"?22:52
chem|stshows partition usage22:52
smpsRevdKathy, lshal | grep perc | awk '{print $3}'22:52
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chem|stJaffa: didnt want to ask this ;)22:52
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RevdKathypeople in the n900 forum are saying you can optify the python libraries and free up rootfs space22:52
JaffaRevdKathy: The people in the N900 forum are talking bollocks. Quelle surprise!22:53
chem|stRevdKathy: dont do that stuff yourself22:53
JaffaRevdKathy: Python and its libraries are now optified by default!22:53
RevdKathyLOL - it seems to have worked for them22:53
fralspython is optified by default isnt it?22:53
Jaffafrals: Yes22:53
fralsdoh, Jaffa beat me to it :)22:53
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RevdKathyreally? what if I installed stuff from before it was?22:53
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pupnikimportant to use ! for tmo22:53
JaffaRevdKathy: Go to X Terminal, and do `apt-cache policy pymaemo-optify' (don't need to be root)22:54
fluxhow recent feature was that? because I'm pretty sure I release some root space by installing the pymaemo-optify -package22:54
JaffaRevdKathy: If you've got an * next to a version, Python is optified.22:54
RevdKathyThanks flux - I didn;t imagine it22:54
JaffaAlternatively, you can just type "mount" and if you see references to /usr/lib/python2.5 (and other Python stuff), Python is optified.22:54
fluxalso: dpkg -S /usr/lib/python2.5/ -> says python2.5 owns a file not in /opt22:54
Jaffaflux: Python owns lots of files not in /opt22:55
fluxjaffa, sure, but I'm also pretty sure those mounts didn't exist before I installed the package :)22:55
Jaffaflux: But they're not in the rootfs.22:55
fluxjaffa, yes, I know how it works22:55
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Jaffaflux: Just checkin' ;-)22:55
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chem|stguys keep it basic for RevdKathy22:55
RevdKathyunable to locate package pymaemo-optify22:55
Jaffaflux: There is a point in time at which pymaemo-optify was not installed.22:55
RevdKathyis what it says22:55
pupnikcan for me too22:55
fluxjaffa, is pymaemo-optify part of pr1.1?22:56
RevdKathyMo is obviously missing summat22:56
Jaffaflux: Python isn't part of the base; it comes from extras.22:56
fluxoh, ok22:56
fluxso it should come as part of the upgrades22:56
Jaffaflux: Yeah22:56
Jaffapymaemo-optify 0.2 is in Extras22:56
fluxwell, I might have skipped a beat while making space for pr1.1, by installing it manually22:57
RevdKathyI think that's what people said they were doing, flux22:57
* Jaffa emails pymaemo-developers, Quim, X-Fade and jeremiah about making sure that pymaemo-optify 0.4 is in extras22:57
JaffaRevdKathy: If you install a Python app, you SHOULD be getting it automatically. That's the intent.22:58
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JaffaPeople spend so long thinking they're clever rather than reporting a problem.22:58
wazd_RST38h: right now widgets should look like this:
RevdKathyI suspect I have python apps from before it was there22:58
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RevdKathyI have had witter for a while, for exaple22:58
RevdKathyfrom testing22:58
chem|stRevdKathy: with an upgrade of those apps you should get the optified one22:59
RevdKathyThat's what I was assuming - and waiting for something to upgrade22:59
RevdKathybut witter has stuck.22:59
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RevdKathynot sure what else I have on python22:59
fralssince fMMS depends on python you shouldve gotten the upgrade when installing that a few days back22:59
chem|stcommon sense is "stay away from testing and devel as long as you arent tester nor developer"22:59
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RevdKathyahhh apparently not22:59
chem|stRevdKathy: have you set up mirror repos?23:00
RevdKathyI agree, chem|ist - i have about 2 apps fro anything other than extras so I could do my bit for testing23:00
RevdKathyno, I thought I'd wait23:00
edgar2revdkathy, my friend mece also had problems getting python optified23:00
konttoriso, garage servers aren't working?23:00
Jaffafrals: HAM won't update library dependencies.23:00
Jaffakonttori: Indeed; though things seem to come through occasionally23:01
konttoriwazd_: those widgets look great23:01
fralsJaffa: ah, okey23:01
wazd_konttori: well, thanks :)23:01
fralsive gotten garage to load a few times, not dared to do anything on there thou23:01
edgar2in his case, he'd gotten it automatically through some -devel app, and the solution afair was to remove python completely and the reinstall it through some extras app that needed python23:01
RevdKathyI'm not too worried - I kind of assumed it would right itself in sue course as something updated23:01
RevdKathywon't it?23:02
JaffaRevdKathy: Thanks for the pointer - I've sent an email to the appropriate people23:02
RevdKathyThanks - there#s a few threads on it in the n900 forum23:02
chem|stJaffa: thx23:02
chem|stthis is just not the way it should be...23:02
* RevdKathy reads voraciously, and remembers even what she doesn;t understand23:02
JaffaRevdKathy: Yes, it should do (well, ish, see earlier commment about HAM upgrading non user/ libraries)23:02
JaffaRevdKathy: Handy23:02
* Jaffa reads less voraciously, hence his "someone reads TMO so I don't have to" idea (
RevdKathyvery useful - brain = search function23:03
RevdKathywhen I left my last place after 10 years they complained I was depriving them of the archive23:03
RevdKathyI think that's a good idea Jaffa - I think more dynamic communications generally23:04
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RevdKathyI like the 'ticker' for vital news (like the repos being down) is a good one too23:04
RevdKathyand we defo need an offical twitter account23:04
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RevdKathyI's sign up to be one of the 'feeds' for your news if you like - just pick up bits from the forum and let someone see if they're important23:05
konttoriwazd_: I need to get the rss widget image set correctly finally23:05
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konttorinew version of nuvofre:
fralsseeing as RevdKathy usually responds within 2minutes on twitter I think she'd make a great twitter-spammer for maemo news ;)23:06
RevdKathyLOL - yeah, twitter-spammer that's me23:06
konttoridefinitely worth testing. Lots of improvements.23:06
chem|stspammer indeed... ;)23:06
RevdKathythe python issue is on the wiki:
chem|stah wiki is working for me again...23:07
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chem|stRevdKathy: that entry is just fine!23:08
wazd_btw, while visiting spb, we've discussed /opt stuff23:08
RevdKathyand here;'s the thread where I read it:
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RevdKathytook it in, thought "I has python apps... should  do that?" and decided I'd wait and hope it sorted itself23:09
wazd_I came up with the idea to move the system to the 30gb partition and make a small FAT partition with autorun to install EXT drivers for windows23:10
wazd_am I crazy?23:10
Stskeepswazd_: no, except emmc is for some reason slower23:10
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Stskeepscloning happened on n8x0 too23:10
wazd_is it that slower? :)23:11
chem|stwazd_: no that is what I will do, well not that way but some alike23:11
chem|stwazd_: yes its that slower23:11
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chem|stas I dont need vfat I wont have one23:12
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RST38hwazd: Have to admit I do not like the two-sided look23:13
chem|stfor everyone else I can just send an email with a link to the windows drivers...23:13
RST38hwazd: Something does not click: I do not perceive it as a single square reflecting light23:13
RST38hwazd: Looks like two halves, bright and dark23:13
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wazd_RST38h: well, yeah, gloss is too bright, I've changed that already23:14
cehtehchem|st: is the camera save on non fat solved?23:14
chem|stcehteh: not yet afaik23:15
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RST38hwazd: really like the Digital Nature's "concave" button look though, too bad it has got some other problems23:15
chem|stcehteh: you remind me that I wanted to buy a wifi sd card...23:15
wazd_RST38h: haven't seen it23:15
GeneralAntillesmicrolith, N810 and N810 WiMAX Edition.23:16
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GeneralAntillesJaffa, that MWN logo your work?23:17
microlithGeneralAntilles: Ok, so those entries probably don't have any effect on the N900...23:17
GeneralAntillesSygic is horribly slow at responding to trademark issues.23:17
GeneralAntillesmicrolith, no.23:18
pupnikrss-glx could be ported23:18
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timeless_mbpwazd_: the ext? drivers last i checked were fairly risky23:20
sivanghow do I create a normal user that can sudo on the N900 ?23:20
timeless_mbpit'd be one thing if they were fuse based23:20
sivangI want to log using SSH23:20
timeless_mbpand fuse worked well23:20
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timeless_mbpbut i'd sooner rely on SMB23:20
sivangand I don't want to enable R&D mode23:20
timeless_mbpand supply the usb-ethernet driver instead23:20
timeless_mbpsivang: err23:20
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timeless_mbpyou can add an ssh key to root23:21
timeless_mbpand just ssh to root@ :)23:21
timeless_mbp but /etc/sudoers.d/ exists23:21
timeless_mbpif you want to add something, just create a file there and run update-sudoers23:21
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* timeless_mbp pokes RevdKathy in /query23:23
chem|stcehteh: not resolved23:23
povbot`Bug 7160: Camera app hardcodes and requires FAT partition23:23
RST38hDoes it?23:23
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cehtehthats the most stupid bug i seen so far23:24
cehtehdunno what they smoked when doing that wrong23:25
chem|stcehteh: I'd like to know who was it and ask him to share?!23:25
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cehtehchem|st: nope thats really bad stuff23:25
pupnikthey were _doing_ something, unlike me23:25
pupnikthere is a foss camera app btw23:26
cehtehneither shrooms nor thc impedes coding that way :P23:26
chem|stcehteh: maybe it wasnt smoking, maybe they are from microsoft and tried balmer's experiment again remeber ME?23:26
cehtehyeah .. or failed the ballmer-peak23:26
chem|styeah failed it about two bottles23:27
cehtehmethanole :)23:27
RST38hok, sleep.23:28
chem|stwho gave them guys a year supply on wiskey would be in...teresting, maybe I could sign up...23:28
RST38hthis is it23:28
RST38hbtw, thanks to whoever made BT work better with WiFi on.23:28
timeless_mbpcehteh: so um23:28
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timeless_mbpwe drank the Gnome VFS CoolAid23:29
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timeless_mbpit says "listen for volume mount notices" "don't write to volumes that aren't mounted"23:29
timeless_mbpand other fun stuff23:29
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cehtehtimeless: but from where comes the limit on fat?23:30
cehtehbug in gnome vfs?23:31
timeless_mbpi haven't seen a specific fat limit so far23:31
timeless_mbpi'm @c9 reading23:31
pupnikmicrob is inserting www. in front of pupnik.de23:31
pupnikbad microb23:31
cehtehpeople telling that it cant write to self partitioned devices23:31
cehtehi dont have a device currently ..23:31
timeless_mbppupnik: what precisely did you do?23:32
chem|stcehteh: oh sent back...23:32
cehtehbut hey .. there is statfs() and you can make it not to write to the root volume instead the other way around and expect a specific volume23:32
pupniktyping http://pupnik.de23:32
pupnikworks on pc23:32
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pupnikis this dns hijinks again?23:32
chem|stcehteh: I found some fiber selfpatching equipment at a local hardware store for building car stuff, not very expensive though23:33
pupnikit is dns hijinks.. sorry23:33
cehtehand looks ugly i bet23:33
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timeless_mbppupnik: what's that?23:34
chem|stcehteh: white...23:34
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chem|stfrom realy fine to known coarse23:34
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cehtehbtw .. we have a gps which has a slightly milky/ antiglare very hard screen protector foil, i dont know that brand, but i want that for the n90023:35
cehtehanyone knows which ones are these?23:36
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cehtehsimilar surface like non-glare laptop screens, but feels even tougher23:36
cehteh(and thinner)23:36
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xorAxAxyou bought a gps without any name on it?23:39
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GeneralAntillescehteh, Boxwave is probably the brand you're after.23:39
GeneralAntillesBut they haven't released a protector for the N900 yet.23:39
cehtehxorAxAx: karin got a 2nd hand one as chrismas present .. with a 3rd party screen protector23:40
cehtehi am very much impressed about the screen protector :)23:40
xorAxAxah, you want to know the brand of the foil23:40
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cehtehit feels hard and you can easily swipe with your fingers on it23:41
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GeneralAntillesYeah, Boxwave anti-glare.23:41
cehtehok .. guess i use my used durasec until these become available23:42
xorAxAxgoogle goggles for maemo would be cool23:42
GeneralAntillesEverybody fill this in:
xorAxAxdo you know it?
cehtehGeneralAntilles: are these sticky? this one here seems to be very sticky not just slightly adhesive23:43
GeneralAntillescehteh, it stays stuck to the screen if that's what you're asking23:44
GeneralAntillesIt's not like the back's coated in glue, though.23:44
cehtehthe one on the gps is coated with glue23:44
* GeneralAntilles wonders why is afflicted with a string of awful ISPs.23:44
SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: someones skimming the funds!23:45
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cehtehthe durasec was quite hard to peel off btw23:45
redthat with accelerometer23:45
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arpwatchdid xchat finally make it into extras, or is it only on the extras-mirror?23:47
GeneralAntillescehteh, is that a desirable feature?23:47
GeneralAntillesI like ones that aren't impossible to remove so they can be reapplied as dirt and dust creeps in under the sides.23:47
RevdKathyyeahm xchat made it to extras so I could update it - just as the repos went down :(23:47
cehtehGeneralAntilles: well something inbetween .. should not accidentally peel off at least23:48
GeneralAntillesred, nauseating.23:48
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RevdKathyok, Goodnight all :)23:48
GeneralAntilles cehteh, yeah, that's not even close to an issue. :)23:48
fralsgnite RevdKathy23:49
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xorAxAxi applied a screen protector but a lot of air bubbles remained23:49
xorAxAxwhat did i do wrong?23:49
xorAxAxi was annoyed and removed it and threw it away23:49
GeneralAntillesxorAxAx, depends on the brand.23:49
GeneralAntillesBoxwave provides a little plastic widget to push all of the bubbles out.23:50
cehtehfor mine it was the same and settles within 2-3 days like a 2nd skin23:50
romano2kwhat are the best brands?23:50
cehtehdepends on your preference23:50
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GeneralAntillesPersonally, I really like Boxwave.23:50
SpeedEvilxorAxAx: if the bubbles are just bubbles - then they can dissapear in a day or three23:50
cehtehsome very good protecting ones have some rubbery feel23:50
xorAxAxSpeedEvil: i should have known that :)23:51
SpeedEvilxorAxAx: diffusion23:51
user__is there a way I can see how much data I've used so far on my N900?23:51
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SpeedEviluser__: settings -> phone or something - has phone data counters for the phone connection23:51
cehtehGeneralAntilles: you are right .. i just tried, the one on this gps has no glue but sticks very well23:51
cehtehso i think boxware anti-glare will be my favorite23:52
Jeff91thanks SpeedEvil23:52
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timeless_mbpJaffa / GeneralAntilles :
timeless_mbpcan anyone argue that the default assignee is not wrong for Camera?23:54
JaffaGeneralAntilles: Yes; MWkN logo is my own work23:55
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, no.23:55
GeneralAntillesJaffa, I like the n. ;)23:55
JaffaGeneralAntilles: Ta. GIMP FTW23:55
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GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, "Internet Tablet" isn't a part of the Nokia brand anymore.23:55
JaffaGeneralAntilles: Once I realised variants of 'mwn' were taken, I had to expand it. Hence the temporary "k"23:55
xorAxAxwoah, at first glance i thought my screen is broken23:56
xorAxAxbut its just braek23:56
Jaffatimeless_mbp: A hang over from the N8x0 days23:56
SpeedEvilbraek is  silly.23:56
SpeedEvilbraek should be packaged witn n900fly23:56
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles / Jaffa : oh, i know23:56
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JaffaBah, email is still not being delivered.23:57
romano2kthank you cehteh23:57
GeneralAntillesJaffa, Monday, I suppose.23:57
cehtehxorAxAx: what brand of screen protector do you have?23:57
xorAxAxn900fly was secretly developed by nokia to increase sales23:57
romano2kwhat about Brando and Exim ?23:57
xorAxAxcehteh: a cheap noname one23:57
cehtehfor all other devices i own i made good success with self adhesive cold laminating foil23:58
xorAxAxcehteh: i chose not to use one23:58
romano2krepositories still down right?23:58
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