IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2010-01-16

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xorAxAx	ruskie: all your fault :)	00:00
whore\|book	its what?	00:00
RevdKathy	Yeah, I can't seem to open the link in witter, either	00:00
tekonivel	whore\|book: shareware	00:00
whore\|book	ahhh	00:00
ruskie	xorAxAx, ???	00:00
evo	RevdKathy: the second time it should work .. bug confirmed then, thanks a lot	00:00
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xorAxAx	ruskie: because /usr is on emmc, program operations became slower	00:01
xorAxAx	ruskie: ;-)	00:01
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RevdKathy	doesn't seem to work for me at all, evo - but I could be doing it wrong	00:01
pupnik_	wtf, did someone post the #maemo irc channel on t.m.o or something?	00:01
ruskie	xorAxAx, I believe I did tell this :)	00:01
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ruskie	xorAxAx, frankly I find it more or less acceptable	00:01
woglinde	pupnik?	00:01
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pupnik_	or mention this channel on twitter?	00:01
evo	RevdKathy: try to move down to user actions and then up again to urls actions	00:01
pupnik_	just reading scrollback	00:01
xorAxAx	ruskie: but its noticable, right? i only know this slow speed (reparted directly after i got it) but assume it would be faster without	00:02
ruskie	xorAxAx, well considering that all the data is still on the emmc	00:02
ruskie	and that quite a few apps tend to be preloaded anyway	00:02
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ruskie	I only notice it on bootup	00:03
xorAxAx	hmm, aufs would be cool	00:03
RevdKathy	No, can't seem to get a response on either	00:03
evo	is there a way to sort browser bookmarks by name?	00:03
ruskie	but not during normal system operation	00:03
sp3000	hmm, has http://www.fonearena.com/blog/2010/01/16/google-maps-with-gps-on-the-nokia-n900.html just not discovered interaction modes or what's with this talk about mobile gmaps limitations	00:04
evo	RevdKathy: btw I just realized I tweeted u some weeks ago, it's a really small world :P	00:04
ruskie	xorAxAx, aufs?	00:04
svanheulen	evo: i was wondering the same thing. haven't found a way yet :(	00:04
RevdKathy	LOL! Yeah, the net makes it a lot smaller, evo	00:04
yuizy	can anyone get headphones working with the new fw?	00:04
xorAxAx	ruskie: another union fs. you would layer / and an emmc /usr and get best of both worlds. fast loads for the pristine /usr stuff (which i keep anyway) and a lot of storage for newly written files	00:05
evo	svanheulen: well, yet a new bug to raise then :)	00:05
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wazd_e63	reheya	00:07
ruskie	xorAxAx, I think you would actually have a bit worse performange	00:07
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sp3000	or, put another way, would you mind going to http://www.google.com/maps/m and checking that it pans as expected in manipulation mode in whatever's released atm	00:07
xorAxAx	ruskie: why? because of the layering overhead?	00:07
sp3000	just to double-check ;)	00:07
ruskie	yup	00:07
xorAxAx	wazd_e63: hi, where is mar(t)ina? :)	00:07
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flux	sp3000, I just used it today (to test maemo-geolocation) and it seemed to work just fine.. ?	00:08
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flux	sp3000, if my manipulation mode you mean the mouse pointer you get from left-right swipe	00:09
flux	s/my/by/	00:09
infobot	flux meant: sp3000, if by manipulation mode you mean the mouse pointer you get from left-right swipe	00:09
flux	hngh	00:09
Smily	works for me	00:09
SpeedEvil	sp3000: wfm	00:09
sp3000	tx	00:09
SpeedEvil	However - if you don't know interaciton modes, you're screwed	00:10
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bfree	the overhead from aufs is minute but it doesn't look like it will ever be accepted upstream into Linus' kernel :-/ there are namespace based unions coming sometime though to eventually do the same thing, but god knows how long before Nokia provides a 2.6.33 or newer kernel ;-)	00:12
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xorAxAx	hell, why does emmc IO slow it down so much	00:13
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evo	sigh, I hate when all the widgets crash	00:14
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xorAxAx	yeah	00:15
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ruskie	bfree, well if you can apply the patches and get ts working you could roll your own	00:15
evo	frals: thanks for your mail	00:15
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ShadowJK_	emmc is designed for FAT, and a few huge files, and doing one thing at once. It's very bad at small files, and it's very bad at multitasking. Combine the two, small files and multitasking, and you've got a performance impact that will be felt as slowdowns/"lags"..	00:17
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flux	1	00:17
flux	(whops)	00:17
ShadowJK_	The good thing about it is that it's very cheap	00:17
ruskie	ShadowJK_, erm... for FAT??? that's a bit weird	00:19
xorAxAx	ruskie: if the emmc dies, its your fault :)	00:19
ruskie	from what should it die?	00:19
xorAxAx	wear levelling giving up because of too many small writes	00:20
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ShadowJK_	wrote amplification :)	00:20
ShadowJK_	write*	00:20
xorAxAx	whats that?	00:20
ruskie	are you using ext3?	00:21
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xorAxAx	no, but ext2 does more writes than fat, nor?	00:21
KamuiN900	so far the update was good but my battery life is waaaay down	00:21
ShadowJK_	If you write 4k to a emmc, it can translate into a real write of 256k - 512k.. so you think you're not doing much, but the emmc is in fact working hard behind your back	00:21
ruskie	wasn't aware of that	00:21
KamuiN900	like 30% down	00:22
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ShadowJK_	Basically the "native" block size is something like half a megabyte, and your average OS deals in blocks of 4 kilobytes, and filesystems sometimes deals in blocks of 512 bytes..	00:22
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xorAxAx	yeah	00:22
ruskie	half a mb???	00:22
niekt0	KamuiN900> same here	00:23
ShadowJK_	When you just write mp3 files and play mp3 files to it, or movies, etc, the huge block size doesn't matter	00:23
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SpeedEvil	IIRC 128K	00:23
SpeedEvil	but ...	00:23
ShadowJK_	Well nobody discloses it :)	00:23
ShadowJK_	Well... sandisk does, for some products.. if you find the right datasheet..	00:23
SpeedEvil	Speeds with random writes of sectors can be as low as a few tens of k's a second	00:23
KamuiN900	niekt0 sucks man. gonna post in the forum.. even considering doing a full flash and not resttoring my backup	00:23
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SpeedEvil	everybody discloses it	00:23
SpeedEvil	on - for NAND flash	00:24
SpeedEvil	not so much for SD	00:24
ShadowJK_	right	00:24
SpeedEvil	If you care enough, you can decap	00:24
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niekt0	ShadowJK> I think it shoul be possible to tune ext2 for this, with bigger block size	00:25
ShadowJK_	niekt0, well for just filesystem use, LogFS would be ideal	00:25
evo	I feel a bit stupid to ask this, but ... is anyone using the multimedia widget? I can't understand a thing about it	00:26
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ruskie	ShadowJK_, nilfs?	00:26
ruskie	actually someone suggested ext4 without the journal	00:26
ShadowJK_	SpeedEvil, hehe, I have this "superfast" Verbatim USB stick.. it does something silly like 20 megabytes/sec write... but when writing a few dozen small jpeg's to it, the write performance drops to about 50 kilobytes/sec... lol	00:27
ShadowJK_	Yeah nilfs is good too	00:27
ShadowJK_	btrfs isn't so bad either...	00:27
ShadowJK_	Except that it has a tendency of not working :-)	00:27
niekt0	hmm, i will have to find out how exactly cryptsetup will behave on emmc	00:27
xorAxAx	how about razorfs? :)	00:27
ShadowJK_	haven't heard about that	00:27
thresh	wouldnt that kill your wife?	00:27
xorAxAx	ShadowJK_: thats the OS that kills your wife at night	00:28
ShadowJK_	I tested nilfs and btrfs with my sheevaplug where I have USB sticks as root disk	00:28
xorAxAx	s/O/F/	00:28
infobot	xorAxAx meant: ShadowJK_: thats the FS that kills your wife at night	00:28
xorAxAx	s,meant,meant but didnt mean infobot to help:,	00:28
ShadowJK_	they both crashed within a week :/	00:28
SpeedEvil	niekt0: works OK.	00:29
xorAxAx	ShadowJK_: whats a sheevaplug?	00:29
SpeedEvil	niekt0: though I've not used it on n900	00:29
greenfly	yeah but doesn't have good support for chroot jails now?	00:29
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ShadowJK_	xorAxAx, oh it's this low power server thing. 1.2GHz ARM, 512M ram. Gigabit ethernet and usb ports	00:29
SpeedEvil	xorAxAx: it's a n900 class processor in a mains plug. With just ethernet and USB	00:29
xorAxAx	usable for what? :)	00:29
SpeedEvil	xorAxAx: routing, ...	00:29
ShadowJK_	I'm not sure I'd call it n900 class... it's armv5 and has no fpu	00:29
SpeedEvil	ShadowJK_: order of magnitude	00:30
ruskie	serving, firewall etc?	00:30
niekt0	SpeedEvil> I HAD, untill last upgrade;(	00:30
SpeedEvil	ruskie: that sort of shit.	00:30
RevdKathy	Right...Goodnight all!	00:30
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ShadowJK_	I'm using mine for handling my backup internet connection over 3g/gprs, through bluetooth, handles my VPN, and runs a squid proxy server.. my fileserver died, so I'm moving that there too soon...	00:30
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xorAxAx	ok, a lot of things	00:32
xorAxAx	i am using a fritz!box for such tasks	00:32
ShadowJK_	Anyway.. nilfs was the fastest of the filesystems I tested... by a significant margin in the typical untar kernel, compile kernel type benchmark..	00:32
xorAxAx	and a separate filer "minnet"	00:32
ShadowJK_	Sheevaplug is mostly aimed at developers/geeks, it's pretty blank out of the box, but you can install almost any distro on it and use it for whatever you want, etc	00:34
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pupnik_	id like n900 to be my backup internet too. but i am close to shutting down the always on computer. too much powerwaste for my taste	00:34
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* sp3000 has an 8W fanless creature doing the always on work		00:38
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sp3000	although the laptop only suspends at night	00:39
ShadowJK_	My setup is mostly a leftover from the time when I only had 2 * 5kbyte/s connections from different ISPs and ran my own magic to bond them together	00:39
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* sp3000 never learned to enjoy speeling with afn noise :)		00:40
sp3000	sleeping even	00:40
* sp3000 never leaned spelling either, apparently		00:40
sp3000	>_<	00:40
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KamuiN900	shotgunned isdn modems	00:40
KamuiN900	hahaha reminded me of my highschool days	00:40
xorAxAx	whats the screen res?	00:40
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xorAxAx	800 × 480, thanks	00:40
KamuiN900	wvga ftw	00:40
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xorAxAx	hmm, wesnoth starts	00:41
xorAxAx	fairly quick as well	00:41
KamuiN900	would have been nice had it been wvga at 3.7"	00:41
[Tycho]	Fans are evil :)	00:41
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SpeedEvil	How large was the PR1.1 testicle team?	00:53
SpeedEvil	err - tester team	00:53
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cityOfLights	hi all, how may I debug this network issue?	00:53
pupnik_	jesus	00:53
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cityOfLights	I can connect to an access point , I see the dhcp requested coming in, yet after establishing connection -I can't ping the gateway	00:53
cityOfLights	other clients work fine	00:53
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ifreq	cityOfLights: add your deviced MAC address to the router mayb	00:54
ifreq	device*	00:54
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pupnik_	ah ty	00:54
pupnik_	i thought that was the end of your question	00:54
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pupnik_	network too laggy	00:56
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cityOfLights	ifreq: It is all under my control	00:57
SpeedEvil	hmm	00:57
SpeedEvil	http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/proposed_talk_forum_redesign_for_2010/	00:57
cityOfLights	ifreq: N900 does get an IP address from dhcp server - I see the dhcp answering it	00:57
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SpeedEvil	Would 'Add a nntp-tmo gateway, so users can use client of their choice with its own filtering algorithms' be silly.	00:57
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ifreq	cityOfLights: okay, try to add dns servers manually? or maybe ip too.. +gw	00:58
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Luser	cityOfLights, maybe you have twice the same ip on your network?	01:00
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ifreq	Luser: well from dhcp its hardly possible.	01:01
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Luser	ifreq, unless some machines are used fixed ip within the dhcp range..	01:03
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Luser	s/used/using/	01:03
pH5	hm, did anybody with accounts-plugin-haze installed and an icq account set up do the backup-reflash-restore cycle? my icq account is still there, but all its settings are empty (including password and the username, which is impossible to change)	01:03
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ifreq	Luser: yes but i pretend cityOfLights knows all such issues.	01:04
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goriofab	hi guys.. is it possible to install Carman on maemo 5 ?	01:23
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chem\|st	Flandry: do you get why the Brainstorm Open Discussion was moved to Brainstorm?	01:24
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cityOfLights	ifreq: no other client uses this IP address, cause I know all the clients	01:24
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cityOfLights	ifreq: tried to change the IP address and th N900 took the new address - still it can't ping the gateway	01:25
cityOfLights	route -n shows the right data	01:25
cityOfLights	very odd	01:25
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Flandry	chem\|st: No, who moved it?	01:25
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SpeedEvil1	Oh joy.	01:25
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pupnik	why the hell isn't the cia going around killing freenode DDOS'ers	01:26
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fredrin	is upgrade good? what's good and what's fail?	01:29
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fredrin	pupnik: lol	01:30
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xorAxAx	hmm, is there a hack to make the file open dialog more usable, i.e. showing also ~?	01:36
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cityOfLights	I see the dhcp queries: DHCPDISCOVER and DHCPOFFER to the N900	01:36
cityOfLights	yet it sometimes doesnt take the address	01:36
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cityOfLights	but even after afew lines m it does take it, and I see the route -n on the N900 updated	01:36
cityOfLights	yet it can't ping the gateway	01:36
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Luser	cityOfLights, and does "arp -an" show the mac of your router?	01:38
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asj__	cityOfLights: and try turning off powersavings	01:41
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cityOfLights	Luser: yes	01:44
cityOfLights	Luser: the router is a box with ethernet and wifi	01:44
cityOfLights	I connected the router to a linux gateway, running dhcp and connected to the router using ethernet	01:44
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cityOfLights	so my linux gateway is handling dhcp and NAT	01:44
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xorAxAx	is anybody using vgb? it doesnt show my GB files in the file open dialog	01:46
cityOfLights	asj_: wow! it works!	01:47
cityOfLights	asj_: why? what? bug?	01:47
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xorAxAx	RST38h: any idea? the file size is a multiple of 512	01:47
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user_abc	Hi! anybody able to do a restore of data with the actual pcsuite over usb?	01:48
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uhsf	i think maemo.org website sucks	01:49
ifreq	is that so	01:49
barfoos	for what reason?	01:49
uhsf	it's slow, the user forum is not organised, etc	01:50
SpeedEvil	every reason.	01:50
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ifreq	could you do it better?	01:53
ifreq	if so why not volunteering?	01:53
ifreq	if it bugs you so much.	01:53
Proteous	heh	01:53
SpeedEvil	Actually yes.	01:53
SpeedEvil	apt-get nntpd	01:53
SpeedEvil	err	01:53
SpeedEvil	innd	01:53
glass_	yeh and the fix is to make it better, rit	01:53
glass_	e	01:53
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uhsf	i am now almost decided about ordering a Nokia N900 in the next few days, i hope my experience will be good and i wish i will have some money left to eat	01:54
uhsf	and go to school	01:54
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user_abc	can u install mplayer after the upgrade?	01:54
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uhsf	so amazon is the best place to order from for people in canada?	01:54
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barfoos	user_abc: yes, i did	01:55
__ibz	does anyone here run mutt on the n900, or do you do ssh+mutt instead?	01:55
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barfoos	does anyone run pluthon on amd64?	01:56
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Guest21975	anyone got a link confirming that portrait mode is coming, just want to shut some twat up on a forum who is whinging that the n900 is sh1t because he can't send a one handed sms (while he tugs over his iphone with his other hand)	01:58
pupnik	if mplayer doesn't work, i have a case full of frozen fish	01:58
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uhsf	i never bought anything from amazon, i usually buy from ncix but they sell the N900 for 900$ that's ridiculous	01:58
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cb22	Guest21975, don't feed the trolls...	01:58
SpeedEvil	pupnik: What sort of fish?	01:58
SpeedEvil	pupnik: and is it smoked?	01:58
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ShadowJK_	lol	01:59
user_abc	barfoos: u have mplayer installed or u did a restore?	01:59
pupnik	to slap someone with	01:59
cb22	wow, whats up with freenode lately?	01:59
barfoos	user_abc: i installed it after the last maemo upgrade	01:59
pupnik	SpeedEvil: dunno, it's just sitting there in the freezer, still dead	01:59
SpeedEvil	cb22: It's returning to its ground state of being splitty.	01:59
SpeedEvil	Quick - excite it!	01:59
* pupnik does a lapdance for the fish		02:01
pupnik	$900......	02:01
cb22	SpeedEvil, ah, a science joke... according to our government here, i dont know enough about science to understand that...	02:01
fredrin_	sweet, gtalk video	02:01
user_abc	barfoos: k k so i should go and check my apt sources	02:01
cb22	fredrin_, yeah, now we just need a sorted front camera	02:02
odin_	what we all upto this evening ?	02:02
fredrin_	the n900 should have a virtual cam, where you chan choose the feed, video, image, text, screen, what ever	02:03
cb22	i dont see that being too hard to do... what with gstreamer and all	02:03
fredrin_	like manycams on windows	02:03
pupnik	uhsf amazon.de has it for 826.50 USD or 850 CAD	02:03
SpeedEvil	there is a virtual webcam v4l thingy for linux	02:04
SpeedEvil	I forget the name	02:04
cb22	fredrin_, heck http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-base-plugins/html/gst-plugins-base-plugins-textoverlay.html should be able to do it right now	02:04
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fredrin_	i know somebody that made an app for linux, http://sourceforge.net/projects/webcamstudio/ but waaaaay to bloated and java	02:05
pupnik	http://www.amazon.co.uk/GreyMobiles-Clear-Crystal-Skin-Nokia/dp/B002UFL142/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1263600280&sr=8-3 cool n900 case...	02:05
Guest21975	sooo.... would it be true to say that nobody from Nokia/Maemo has officially confirmed that portrait mode is coming in future? or is this just speculation?	02:05
Guest21975	finding links to such a comment - assuming it exists - is proving difficult...	02:05
fredrin_	it's a shortcut	02:06
fredrin_	ctrl+alt+O or something	02:06
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fredrin_	dont have a n900 yet, so not tried	02:06
ml-N900	ctrl+shift+o	02:06
Guest21975	no, i mean proper portrait for all apps not the easter egg	02:06
ml-N900	not all apps	02:07
fredrin_	depends on the app	02:07
ml-N900	but no reason it couldn't be put into any new app	02:07
fredrin_	noo	02:07
fredrin_	more work maybe	02:07
fredrin_	always a minus	02:07
Guest21975	ok maybe not all, but more than we have right now (and not just browser)	02:07
fredrin_	:D	02:07
ml-N900	but I'm liking the landscape mode	02:08
ShadowJK_	and phone	02:08
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fredrin_	Guest21975: which apps?	02:08
Guest21975	ml-n900: i know, but some divs coming to the n900 can't seem to grasp it and hanker for portrait mode just like their old phone	02:08
ifreq	any progress with video calls on n900?	02:08
pupnik	it would help sell them, but to people who maybe won't be happy with them	02:09
fredrin_	they should make apps work in both modes imho	02:09
fredrin_	:D	02:09
fredrin_	lazy dev bastards	02:09
pupnik	they is us	02:09
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fredrin_	:P	02:09
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Guest21975	fredrin: i don't know. there's is a beliefe, not sure where I read it, that portrait mode support has been promised for a future update. i seem to recall it was supposed to come before christmas 2009	02:09
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pupnik	the PHONE works in portrait mode.	02:09
pupnik	OK	02:09
fredrin_	Guest21975: update PR1.1 is out	02:09
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pupnik	The RADIO does not	02:10
pupnik	The CAMERA does not	02:10
SpeedEvil	The camera does	02:10
ml-N900	it's like people asking if they can write apps for maemo in visual studio, you can but you will fail to understand your target.	02:10
fredrin_	that is fail	02:10
pupnik	you are fail	02:10
fredrin_	as i say, dont have a n900 yet, will be getting it soon, got the money just waiting for delivery	02:10
fredrin_	pupnik: maybe	02:10
fredrin_	:P	02:10
pupnik	ml-N900 thanks for a more cogent response	02:10
Guest21975	yep i know pr1.1 is out. i'm talking about this alleged comment from nokia - does anyone have a link	02:11
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fredrin_	Guest21975: it's your claim, lol	02:11
pupnik	SpeedEvil: please explain how camera app rotates	02:12
Guest21975	err by the way I'm milhouse my nick has been stuffed up by all the splits and disconnects	02:12
SpeedEvil	pupnik: Oh - my mistake - the camera app tags pictures according to accellerometer.	02:12
pupnik	see, now milhouse knows how to really whine about things	02:12
Guest21975	fredrin - not my claim, it's been posted on the web otherwise i wouldn't have read it in various places. just wondered if anyone knew the source	02:12
pupnik	hi :)	02:12
Guest21975	pupnik: fcking right	02:12
Guest21975	:)	02:12
fredrin_	lol	02:12
Guest21975	pupnik: but i just want to bitch slap some whiny iphone fanboi first :)	02:13
pupnik	they are easy to catch	02:13
fredrin_	can i haz kill iPhone app?	02:13
fredrin_	with some bluetooth/wifi/sms/mms searching/sending, insert mallicous code...	02:14
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pupnik	apple does make stylish products	02:14
fredrin_	and boring	02:15
redeeman	lol stylish	02:15
pupnik	but they reduce the user interface to almost nothing.	02:15
fredrin_	braincontroll next from apple	02:16
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pupnik	so, who are the top 5 people doing game ports now	02:17
pupnik	and emus. i'd say rst38h, flandry, ukki, javispedro, and ...?	02:17
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xorAxAx	Load average: 13.73 11.48 8.	02:17
ShadowJK_	almost nothing? Like the great gnomish purges?	02:17
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red	minimalistic tends to be usable and fast	02:19
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GeneralAntilles	pupnik, mikkov.	02:21
DocScrutinizer-8	just managed to cause infinite reboot irrecoverable on Pr1.1. By simply trying to move the location widget from one desktop to another	02:21
pupnik	ah wormux	02:21
GeneralAntilles	Among others.	02:21
pupnik	ahhh nice battlegweled too	02:21
pupnik	this should go into a post	02:22
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ShadowJK_	red, as long as it does what you want :)	02:22
fredrin_	DocScrutinizer-8: lol, fail	02:22
red	DocScrutinizer-8: thats not nice	02:22
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer-8: had you done anything odd?	02:22
fredrin_	most likely	02:22
fredrin_	:P	02:23
GeneralAntilles	DocScrutinizer-8, cannot reproduce. ;)	02:23
red	ShadowJK_: indeed. apple got the style down 10/10 but ill give only 1 point from customization :p	02:23
DocScrutinizer-8	would anybody know if sshd is up and receptive for loging in to that friggin system, while pin query is shown?	02:23
DocScrutinizer-8	SpeedEvil: Of course not!	02:23
red	i smell reflash	02:24
DocScrutinizer-8	noooooooo!	02:24
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fredrin_	pretend it's a Neo Freerunner	02:24
ShadowJK_	red, like that horror example of making the minimalist print dialog that always assumes and mandates A4 size paper ;-)	02:24
DocScrutinizer-8	I even can open the systry dropdown. alas ~5sec later screen turns black and led turns white -> reboot	02:25
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red	just talking bout iphone	02:25
red	everything pc related is horrid for my liking	02:26
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* DocScrutinizer-8 assumes it's the location widget itself that, on getting rebdered to screen and thus started, somehow kills the system		02:27
fredrin_	DocScrutinizer-8: is it possible to mount it over usb and edit config files?	02:27
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Guest43140	hi. what source do i need for mplayer? i have only thr gui in my application catalouge	02:27
DocScrutinizer-8	fredrin_: not afaik	02:27
pillar	what does package maemo-launcher do	02:27
DocScrutinizer-8	/home/user not exposed via usb	02:28
DocScrutinizer-8	fredrin_: I hope to be able to ssh login	02:28
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fredrin_	yeah, that would be easiest i guess	02:29
DocScrutinizer-8	while stopping the normal crankup of graphical desktop	02:29
fredrin_	but what's plan B?	02:29
DocScrutinizer-8	reflash?	02:29
fredrin_	:(	02:29
rabbitear	man I'm suppose to be a Bug-Squasher, and I had this n900 since 24th of December, and zero bugs findings	02:29
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red	give kayboard shortcut to kill gui :)	02:30
rabbitear	its fun enough playing tho :)	02:30
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DocScrutinizer-8	or send in to Nokia for repair ;-)	02:30
fredrin_	heh	02:30
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rabbitear	maybe next week, I'll start trying to actually re-pro bugs or something	02:31
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red	hmm	02:32
rabbitear	I got this pretty good camera case for the n900... really nice, hang keys from etc... any skins available that anyone has experience with?	02:32
DocScrutinizer-8	nobody polite and willing to confirm you can ssh in during PIN query? please...	02:33
SpeedEvil	I have a not-great ebay cheap clear case	02:33
red	what port does butterfly use? my account gets disconnected at home wifi	02:33
red	due nat	02:33
rabbitear	cool, SpeedEvil I suppose evenutally the cases with make their way onto a market	02:34
SpeedEvil	there is an accessories page off the main n900 page on the wiki	02:35
SpeedEvil	~accessories	02:35
SpeedEvil	~satan	02:35
infobot	i guess satan is in a7r's pants	02:35
rabbitear	slipin/out safe case, with a magnet to hold it closed is what I have, hand has like 'fake' mountain climber hook on it... good for keys	02:36
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pupnik	DocScrutinizer-8: testing...	02:36
pupnik	not here	02:37
rabbitear	SpeedEvil: well was just wondering... this camera case works well, 10 backs at (freds, like everything store, in the electronics dept)	02:37
rabbitear	10 dollars.	02:37
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SpeedEvil	you might add it to the wiki - ideally with some pictures.	02:38
SpeedEvil	and where you got it.	02:38
pupnik	there is a nice custom case on amazon.co.uk	02:38
pupnik	ports open	02:38
rabbitear	SpeedEvil: I could do that...	02:38
shinkamui	hi pupnik	02:38
pupnik	hi	02:38
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DocScrutinizer-8	pupnik: 'not here' means no ssh?	02:39
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pupnik	couldn't ping device even	02:39
rabbitear	SpeedEvil: its a "Lowepro" case, at a department store (probably anywhere, but could make some pix for u)	02:39
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DocScrutinizer-8	pupnik: OMG. thanks nevertheless	02:40
SpeedEvil	dunno.	02:40
pupnik	now perhaps it would help if i told you i don't autoconnect to network	02:40
SpeedEvil	It can be good to have pics - if yuore looking to buy online	02:40
SpeedEvil	over usb-net?	02:40
SpeedEvil	wifi doesn't come up till the GUI	02:41
DocScrutinizer-8	well, once during the 30 boots I even managed to get a weird borked microb window that also stopped the reboot prozess	02:41
pupnik	yeah, as indicated even when autoconnecting, by the wifi icon	02:41
pwnguin	http://www.openshareicons.com/ <-- is there any evidence this is needed?	02:41
shinkamui	anyone know if the battery drain issue has been acknowledged by nokia yet	02:41
shinkamui	Im really bummed I upgraded	02:41
SpeedEvil	shinkamui: what battery drain issue?	02:42
SpeedEvil	I see none.	02:42
red	"unable to connect to one or more accounts" and butterfly in error stage yet again. and i opened tcp and udp for the port it uses	02:42
pupnik	so the question behind DocScrutinizer-8's question is, perhaps we could start openssh daemon somewhere earlier in the boot process to help with broken devices...	02:42
DocScrutinizer-8	SpeedEvil: sure over usbnet	02:42
shinkamui	after 1.01 my battery life dropped almost 30%	02:42
rabbitear	SpeedEvil: actually found it .. at: http://products.lowepro.com/product/Tasca-20,2099,25.htm	02:42
red	it just errors upon 3g to wifi swap	02:42
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SpeedEvil	pupnik: that 'early boot' thing witht ee keyb slide open would be a great place	02:42
red	and even if i go back to 3g it wont connect	02:42
DocScrutinizer-8	pupnik: ack. if your finding holds true	02:42
rabbitear	SpeedEvil: there is also a Tasca-30 (I THINK I have the 20, one is wider)	02:42
pwnguin	shinkamui: what's the life now?	02:43
shinkamui	from 8 work hours mostly idle, a little use, I was at 50-60% now after 8 hours with no use im in the red.	02:43
DocScrutinizer-8	Stskeeps: was it just me or have you banned me on #mer?	02:43
red	reboot ->	02:43
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shinkamui	and by a little use I would respond to xmpp messages, 30-40	02:44
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shinkamui	today I didn't answer a single message	02:44
rabbitear	SpeedEvil: I also use a 'camera hook?' that goes to the lander (sp) on the nokia.. hooks to the other end of the keychain, so the case dangles when using it, but A> its something to grab onto, B> its a light case, soft..	02:44
rabbitear	camera spring+hook	02:44
SpeedEvil	shinkamui: have you got any thing that may access the net over 3G running?	02:45
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thesov	what good is the release of aircrack-ng if you can capture packets?	02:45
shinkamui	SpeedEvil, I don't have 3g, only on gsm, I do have wifi, and I have the xmpp IM connected not using pidgin or xchat	02:45
DangerMaus	rabbitear, how dose it fit in that lowepro? thats one that i was looking at	02:45
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DocScrutinizer-8	shinkamui: chat protocols have shitloads of hidden traffic. If you handled all that over UMTS then your findings are quite normal	02:45
SpeedEvil	shinkamui: does top (over ssh) show any non-idle processes?	02:46
pwnguin	shinkamui: is it set to 2.5 then?	02:46
SpeedEvil	shinkamui: If so - may be woreth looking at stracing them	02:46
shinkamui	DocScrutinizer-8, GSM and wifi. Wouldn't argue with you except that Im running the same config, other than possibly a new update to the protocol which might have made it heavier	02:46
shinkamui	SpeedEvil, Ill check, my phone was dead by the time I got home, so its off and charging now	02:47
rabbitear	DangerMaus: it could be the Tasca 30 that I have, not sure, it doesn't say -- I don't have the packaging anymore, but its same size as say an ipod	02:47
DocScrutinizer-8	wifi should last for days	02:47
rabbitear	DangerMaus: or iphone ..	02:47
shinkamui	pwnguin, yep	02:47
shinkamui	2.5	02:47
DangerMaus	k k	02:47
rabbitear	DangerMaus: I bought it, In the store, so I just opened the case, and see if it fit :)	02:48
odin_	can some one please run "tracker-status" and tell me if that SIGSEGV for you? thanks	02:48
DangerMaus	yepyep	02:48
DocScrutinizer-8	could someone talk me thru the procedure to ssh to N900 via usb? never did that before	02:49
DocScrutinizer-8	so missing IP etc	02:49
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odin_	also how do you get core dumps? I have ulimit -c unlimited set	02:49
rabbitear	DangerMaus: the magnet is cool --- reality its not a hard case, so still possible to crush the screen, but better then no case .. shurgs	02:49
rabbitear	DangerMaus: camera shops...	02:50
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DangerMaus	yepyep that whats ive been looking at in compact digicam puches and cases	02:51
DangerMaus	since the 3rd of dec havent found muchin stores	02:51
shinkamui	speedevil	02:51
rabbitear	DangerMaus: well, who wants to zipper anything all the time, this makes the magnet nice...	02:51
DangerMaus	ordered a few lowepro and tamerac pouches havent got them yet	02:51
shinkamui	got my phone up	02:51
DangerMaus	what you kill it?	02:53
rabbitear	DangerMaus: I just didn't do any research, just thought and got lucky.. <--fast shopper in a store .. just saying not-un-happy about it (hehe, okay I'll be quiet about the case:)	02:53
DangerMaus	god i cant stand going itto B&M stores	02:54
rabbitear	I don't like shopping unless they have cool couches or lawn stuff to sit in for awhile	02:56
red	hmm, has haze been removed from repo?	02:56
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pupnik	http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31nFVeXtaaL._SS400_.jpg << nice case for n900	02:58
pupnik	'Greymobiles Clear Crystal Skin'	02:59
pwnguin	i wonder how much it would cost to just replace the damn housing	02:59
pupnik	2.49 GBP	02:59
ml-N900	can someone deal with that tool OrangeBox?	02:59
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odin_	hmm the N900 backup seems to jumble up into settings.zip both system-wide settings and user settings from /home/user	03:03
odin_	this is a pain if you only wish to restore setting due to a re-flash	03:03
ShadowJK_	sounds like it	03:03
ShadowJK_	Someone else reported some funny shit with backup asking, repeatedly, whether to replace file	03:03
ShadowJK_	did you encounter that?	03:03
fiferboy_n900	stskeeps - it looks like the gtk-theme-name in gtkrc just needs to be different	03:03
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fiferboy_n900	worldcity uses "World City"	03:04
odin_	not during a backup all went well then	03:04
rabbitear	pupnik: yes, but you never know, until you touch it, use it etc..	03:04
t7g__	Can anyone recall what happened to the maemo page that listed the different versions of python libraries installed for diablo and fremantle?	03:04
ShadowJK_	odin_, I meant during restore	03:06
SpeedEvil	pupnik: I think I have that one - it's OK - it could be a hair tighter - and the finish is poor.	03:06
odin_	ShadowJK_, Ive not attempted a restore yet	03:06
odin_	ShadowJK_, as I didn't know exactly what stuff was where (i.e. what does "Settings" section really mean)	03:07
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rabbitear	my mom has a really nice iphone case, that is semi-soft, but the iphone is simpler contruct..	03:07
pupnik	SpeedEvil: for 3 euro i wouldn't look too closely at the finish	03:08
rabbitear	pupnik: feel ://	03:09
pupnik	yeah well thanks for the info. some people might have been disappointed.	03:09
ShadowJK_	odin_, if you think the behaviour is wrong, you should file a bug report.	03:09
pupnik	so s/nice/cheap	03:10
rabbitear	well the case that she has, she can drop it, and it will absorb some shock	03:10
SpeedEvil	pupnik: a few moments with some sandpaper resolves many of the issues	03:10
ShadowJK_	odin_, Let's be realistic, if a cleverer way is found, it wont likely be included in a future Maemo 5 upgrade, and probably not Maemo 6 either, but when we get Maemo 7 and the direct eye implant screen, it'll work perfectly :)	03:11
rabbitear	pupnik: I don't wanna auger with you, but I'd get a case to protect the more expensive device....	03:11
rabbitear	<-- poor at spelling, anywayz..	03:12
* SpeedEvil is good at augering.		03:12
* SpeedEvil has a petrol-powered auger.		03:12
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odin_	I got a restore of Settings and Application list as "incomplete"	03:14
odin_	no access to no log or nuffin	03:14
rabbitear	ya what SpeedEvil said	03:14
pupnik	rabbitear: unfortunately i've already verified the n900's durability and i have to say, "wow".	03:14
SpeedEvil	I've thrown mine across the room.	03:14
SpeedEvil	The above case is slippery.	03:14
rabbitear	pupnik: my keys would scratch it up evenually, --- I always liked to put the cell on the keys	03:14
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rabbitear	somepeople thing its easier to keep track of 3 things..	03:15
pupnik	i've worn through the raised bars on 'f' and 'j' keys with my sandpaper thumbs already	03:16
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rabbitear	those keys are okay, I guess, ... there could always be the onscreen keyboard :/	03:17
rabbitear	evenually all things do actually brake ... :/	03:17
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DocScrutinizer-8	usb 1-1: Product: N900 (storage mode)	03:18
DocScrutinizer-8	:-(	03:18
odin_	Hmm.. I did a restore and now my M900 boots up without either /home/user/MyDocs or /media/mmc1 mounted	03:18
ShadowJK_	was it switched on?	03:18
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rabbitear	I still have two phones (well to devices I'm carring) was wondering if I could get away without a 'phone service' this time, still thinking about it.. (not lost in the woods much)	03:19
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rabbitear	that would easily pay for another nokia...	03:19
xorAxAx	phone service?	03:20
xorAxAx	you mean an insurance?	03:20
rabbitear	no I mean I'm a student	03:21
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rabbitear	in a small city....	03:21
pupnik	hopefully still learning how to spell 'break'	03:21
rabbitear	I know its like crazy for lots of ppls...	03:21
rabbitear	ya that too	03:22
SpeedEvil	where are you rabbitear?	03:22
rabbitear	Anchorage, Alaska..	03:22
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xorAxAx	are alaskians like depicted in the movie the simpsons?	03:23
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uhsf	pupnik: what are you talkin about, the N900 is 550 on amazon not 850	03:23
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rabbitear	I dunno... haven't seen that one..	03:24
SpeedEvil	uhsf: $ca?	03:24
rabbitear	xorAxAx..	03:24
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xorAxAx	rabbitear: in it, they are dumber than the average american :)	03:24
rabbitear	xorAxAx: well claim is really that?	03:25
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uhsf	550.00 USD	03:26
uhsf	=	03:26
rabbitear	xorAxAx: its the simpons, but ya, there's alot of say 'dumb' things, if you like that kinda thing, its pretty deverified...	03:26
uhsf	566.940 CAD	03:26
uhsf	not 850	03:26
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pupnik	uhsf: in germany, we pay $850 for a N900	03:27
rabbitear	xorAxAx: kinda like any place where there is a reason to move in and out of, like college towns/cities, L.A. Boston, Nyc...	03:27
ShadowJK_	and $1300 for iphone :-)	03:27
rabbitear	xorAxAx: simpons is cool, just haven't watch it in a long time	03:27
pupnik	ShadowJK_: you are kidding me i hope. iphone is more expensive?	03:27
rabbitear	xorAxAx: thanks for your question..	03:27
ShadowJK_	pupnik, yes it is	03:28
uhsf	there is no way i'm gonna pay more than 550US for a N900	03:28
* pupnik asplodes		03:28
ShadowJK_	pupnik, the 3Gs 32 gigabyte variant	03:28
pupnik	lame	03:28
red	x)	03:29
ShadowJK_	It's distorted by operators and contracts	03:29
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rabbitear	xorAxAx: everybody CAN have a phone up here actually, for 1 dollar a month, even if your homeless..	03:29
red	the price u pay for more gigs is like wtf	03:29
* xorAxAx is leeching extras-devel stuff		03:29
xorAxAx	rabbitear: good	03:29
rabbitear	xorAxAx: so you have to buy your own phone tho..	03:30
red	how does a homeless recharge his phone?	03:30
acidjazz	hmm ctrl+shift+o isnt workin for me	03:30
pupnik	close keyboard before rotating	03:30
red	or who the fuck would call him :D	03:30
xorAxAx	red: crank dynamo	03:30
rabbitear	its kinda crazy if you haven't been here before..	03:30
ShadowJK_	It's a bit sad really. Nokia tried to price N900 competitively by being 300 Euro below their competitors at the time of launch, but the operators bake random call minutes and service chargers into their random packages, so you never know who you are paying what :/	03:30
ShadowJK_	On the other hand, nokia hasn't been able to meet the demand for N900, so maybe their pricing strategy worked.	03:31
pupnik	hey, that's great	03:31
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rabbitear	we try not to make anybody jeallous	03:32
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rabbitear	I don't miss the 554.xx bones that I paid cash for	03:35
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red	how do u activate that browser portrait?	03:36
* mtnbkr laughs when he shows someone his N900 and they other person says "Yeah, my phone can do that too..." lol "normal" people just don't get what the N900 is or can do...		03:36
rabbitear	I don't think you do red	03:36
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ShadowJK_	red, ctrl-shift-o, close keyboard, hold phone upright	03:37
ShadowJK_	or so I'm told	03:37
ShadowJK_	I haven't tried it myself	03:37
red	ill try	03:37
red	tried i and p lol	03:37
smps	red, its working i tested it	03:37
rabbitear	mtnbkr: this 3rd day, I hadn't even got to use the phone myself, ppl where, like you have this one.. wait a minute	03:37
asj__	I swear c-s-o doesn't work, but p did....	03:37
rabbitear	mtnbkr: like "you are not worthy to have THIS phone" ... in the malls	03:37
ShadowJK_	lol	03:38
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red	cant get it to work	03:38
pupnik	great marketing rabbitear ... Wayne's World "we're not worrrthy!"	03:38
mtnbkr	lol No one I talk to even has a clue about phones... it's all iPhone this and iPhone that..	03:38
mtnbkr	rabbitear: although when I went into the AT&T store to get a car charger the sales guy knew what the n900 was... :)	03:38
rabbitear	because I was busy with fam, no wifi at the time, didn't actually had been using it -- if that makes sense	03:38
smps	i hate GPS !	03:38
pupnik	got any avid SD 1.9 brakes lying around mtnbkr ?	03:38
rabbitear	I know mtnbkr	03:39
mtnbkr	pupnik: lol but I have some ORIGINAL Magura Tomac rim hydraulic brakes if yo need them...	03:39
rabbitear	I was just asking for a skin actually... (I did not pull out the phone in the at&t shop)..	03:39
ShadowJK_	Ignoring my first two phones, I've bought phones based on their feature list and potential for development :/	03:40
mtnbkr	rabbitear: skin? like screen film?	03:40
ShadowJK_	And then it was as close as linux I could get, the better :/	03:40
rabbitear	mtnbkr: (reason trying to get the dollar phone, I don't make all that much money, I am a student here)	03:40
uhsf	maemo updates nokia releases often are they full images for complete reinstall or just patches applied successively?	03:40
red	got it to work now ahh	03:40
rabbitear	mtnbkr: but it is like that ... I see it	03:41
red	so handy for few sites	03:41
ShadowJK_	uhsf, both	03:41
rabbitear	<be right back if I may>	03:41
ShadowJK_	uhsf, there are incremental updates that update you to the latest version, and then there are also images of that version if you want to do a complete reinstall, or if the update fails	03:41
rabbitear	or seen it, -- just one more thing -- these days I keep the phone under the table -- like when at sportsbar watching football,brb	03:42
uhsf	good	03:42
ShadowJK_	"incremental" being quite large, in the sense that there have been 2 updates so far since the release of N900.	03:42
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* asj__ beats the maemo repos		03:44
asj__	get just give me my damn debs	03:44
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rabbitear	by the way, I'm suppose to be bugsquasher but I'm on my 5th beer, and these are true stories, good luck and god spell/speed :)	03:45
* rabbitear moves to newwindow		03:46
ShadowJK_	Drunken people are a good way to test whether interfaces are usable and intuitive	03:46
mtnbkr	lol	03:46
ShadowJK_	(assuming they don't play soccer with the device)	03:47
mtnbkr	or spill their drink on it	03:47
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asj__	rabbitear: I find it really easy to write a log of code after 5 beers, but it never compiles and I just go git reset --hard the next day	03:48
smps	ppl anyone noticed few new packages in repos ?	03:48
uhsf	cause of the ovi store?	03:51
woglinde	asj g	03:51
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woglinde	ah nice	03:52
woglinde	optify now works	03:52
woglinde	~hail glom-maintainer	03:52
* infobot bows down to glom-maintainer and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"		03:52
smps	http://pastebin.com/d26fd02ab	03:52
rabbitear	asj__: your worthless after awhile, do not pay attention, better to be angeryfeels more grounded, can't stay for now, peace	03:53
rabbitear	asj__: and thanks	03:54
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DocScrutinizer-8	suuuuuuuuuuuuuper	03:54
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pupnik	woglinde: can you give me more info on this 'glom'?	03:55
DocScrutinizer-8	I really cant BELIEVE it	03:55
rabbitear	asj__: thats what the undernet is for its 4:53 pm	03:55
asj__	rabbitear: you've had 5 beers and it's 5pm?	03:55
DocScrutinizer-8	the friggin system boots all the way to wallpaper and systray functional	03:55
mtnbkr	asj__: 1 beer/hour starting at lunch ;)	03:56
pupnik	sounds like our SQL server admin	03:56
asj__	mtnbkr: he's going to be sore by mignight ;)	03:56
DocScrutinizer-8	still I can't recover from endless boot loop as the system insists in starting some friggin app (widget) that makes BOOM -> reboot	03:56
mtnbkr	pupnik: MS SQL? then I can understand that... ;)	03:57
pupnik	this was back around version 6	03:57
pupnik	he has a healthier job now	03:58
woglinde	pupnik the maintainer of glom	03:58
asj__	can anyone fetch anything frmo repos?	03:58
DocScrutinizer-8	and due to great policy not to export rootfs nor to stop session init on e.g. a special key pressed I can't edit the widget as 10 sec are too short to ssh in and do anything meaningful	03:58
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woglinde	has in his blog how to use maemo-optify with cdbs	03:58
red	god!.fucking retarded sites of the internets! found 5 sites that seem to have kings quest 2 original	03:59
kamui	anyone using qtnx successfully?	03:59
woglinde	or better in his glom package	03:59
woglinde	kamui sorry	03:59
woglinde	dont works yet	03:59
kamui	oh ok	03:59
red	when i get to download page, every site says no #: available	03:59
woglinde	but I am working on it	03:59
kamui	I connect and all, but then it just says bye and dies	03:59
kamui	but thats good to know	03:59
kamui	its in active devel	03:59
pupnik	glom - Database designer and user interface hmm	03:59
kamui	cause I REALLY want it :)	03:59
kamui	who's working on the rDesktop port	03:59
kamui	Im wondering if there's a way to zoom	03:59
kamui	I could probably get away with rdesktop and the xrdp module for X	04:00
pupnik	for me, setting up the nx server correctly is the pita	04:00
xorAxAx	currently debugging catorise	04:00
xorAxAx	does $skip \|\|= /^Type=(.*)$/i && $1 !~ /^Application$/i;	04:00
xorAxAx	trigger on X-Osso-Type=application/x-executable	04:00
xorAxAx	...?	04:00
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xorAxAx	i think not because there is ^	04:00
woglinde	kamui but I am focused on navit this weekend	04:00
xorAxAx	but maybe i am too stupid for perl	04:01
pupnik	my perl books are in storage sorry	04:01
bfree	xorAxAx: no, the ^..$ means it only matches the exact string "Application"	04:02
pupnik	xorAxAx: keep going plz :)	04:02
red	whats the default unzip command?	04:03
kamui	woglinde, no rush for me, Im more or less just trying to adjust my workflows around the N900 :)	04:04
kamui	pupnik, you working on anything cool lately?	04:04
kamui	like maybe exult? ;)	04:04
pupnik	imo exult needs UI rework	04:05
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pupnik	i actually played that, and started hating the experience, i did finish a couple of tweaks for stylus-only	04:06
kamui	really pupnik? what kind of work and what tweaks?	04:07
kamui	I played through a bit of exult on my old SL-C3000	04:07
pupnik	creating savegames, redoing how objects are picked up	04:07
kamui	I believe on the zaurus, there was a right click hotkey	04:07
kamui	to compensate for the obvious lack of 2 buttons	04:08
pupnik	yeah i went down a rabbit hole on that too	04:08
woglinde	which app has a right package uucode ico for n900?	04:08
* mtnbkr wonders what his Zaurus is worth these days...		04:08
asj__	woglinde: ses maybe	04:08
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asj__	(I followed the directions)	04:09
kamui	pupnik, is that the exult package on your site? I dont remember if that one was missing or not	04:09
pupnik	it's up there	04:09
kamui	on a scale of 1 to 10, what would you rate its current playability	04:09
kamui	from that build	04:09
woglinde	asj hm thanks	04:10
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xorAxAx	Jaffa: can you please find out why capsule.desktop (in package capsule) is skipped? i am too stupid for perl	04:10
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pupnik	um ... 4-6	04:11
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kamui	you convinced me	04:11
kamui	im gonna try it	04:11
kamui	:)	04:11
pupnik	please do, it really* needs to get done	04:12
pupnik	i need some kind of usb-PATA adapter that can do hot-swap to find my old sources	04:12
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pupnik	i had about 170 directories of stuff built/half-built in old scratchbox sdk :(	04:13
kamui	lol	04:13
kamui	mine is starting to build up like that too	04:13
kamui	blender alone had about 12 deps	04:13
red	pupnik: how do i mount my user folder into dosbox	04:14
woglinde	mount c: foomooo	04:14
red	i know how to use and mount to it on pc but not on linux	04:14
pupnik	go for it man, exult (sdl stuff) is way easier	04:14
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pupnik	ugh, why does wget need 1966KB of space	04:19
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woglinde	pupnik he www stuff isnt easy	04:20
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red	dosbox isnt in /opt	04:22
red	sigh	04:23
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red	oh wtf	04:23
red	hidden folders	04:23
red	illogic linux is illogic	04:24
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pupnik	oh kamui please don't make fun of how i played the mp3s	04:24
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pupnik	that needs a fix	04:24
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asj__	is there a known dns issue with pr1.1?	04:26
KenYoung	Could anyone point me to a debian/control file that has the Bugtracker field specified correctly for maemo? I'm getting an error regarding that line when I build my .deb package.	04:26
asj__	KenYoung: I don't have a Bugtracker: entry	04:27
KenYoung	asj My understanding is that packages submitted to Extras Testing are supposed to specify a bugtracker that way.	04:28
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woglinde	asj__ nope	04:29
woglinde	asj__ maybee your dns-provider didnt hit the server movment yet	04:30
asj__	KenYoung: ah, I'm just doing extras-devel	04:30
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asj__	woglinde: I force the dns servers since the AP can't be configured to give out valid ones (love AU ISPs), and it didn't apply them	04:30
red	hah nearly woke up gf with leisure suit larrys intro music x)	04:31
KenYoung	asj__, Do you specify a bug tracking system in your .deb package at all?	04:31
asj__	(as in /var/run/resolv.conf was invalid)	04:31
asj__	KenYoung: no, I didn't see any docs saying	04:35
asj__	I should...	04:35
pupnik	red does your dosbox run keyb rover.sys 48 (or something)	04:38
woglinde	hm which was an upstart converted package?	04:38
pupnik	if you need numbers/fn-symbols, it needs a dos layout.sys file for each country keyboard on n900	04:39
KenYoung	asj__, THe reason I think it is required is on this page http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/QA_Checklist#Blockers in the section titled "Lack of bug reporting database" .	04:39
red	pupnik: no idea	04:39
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red	trying to find out a way to enter numbers	04:39
red	need em for larry	04:40
red	ah	04:40
red	well i changed to english layout	04:40
pupnik	you can add your mount and keyb commands to your dosbox config file in /home/user/.dosb???	04:41
red	u know if any layout has fn working natively	04:41
pupnik	none does. you need rover.sys	04:41
red	added mount stuff there	04:41
red	k	04:41
pupnik	and big props to javisp for figuring that out	04:42
red	ill go read the threads a bit more	04:42
pupnik	and if you need mouse control, you cannot attempt running dosbox at a high cycle number	04:42
pupnik	i think i've spent 30 hours failing on dosbox mouse	04:42
red	larry doesnt need mouse	04:43
pupnik	great music eh :)	04:43
red	i just wanna play -quest games	04:43
pupnik	doo, doo, doo doo-dedoodoot...	04:43
pupnik	sciv / freesci will interpret those games	04:43
red	doot.. do doo do doot dooo	04:44
pupnik	lol	04:44
red	where can i find those rover.sys and where to slap em?	04:44
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red	cant access pc atm and looking dor stuff on n900 is tedious	04:45
xorAxAx	http://qik.ly/1E2F	04:48
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red	i think i got it	04:48
red	lucky find	04:48
xorAxAx	http://qik.ly/1E4z	04:49
xorAxAx	is it with sound?	04:50
red	works!	04:50
red	larrytime	04:50
xorAxAx	red: can you test that url?	04:51
yuizy	no sound	04:52
yuizy	ah, yes there is	04:52
yuizy	it's pretty silent	04:52
xorAxAx	ok	04:53
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red	sorry was playing on dosbox	04:54
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xorAxAx	is it possible to reconfigure the camera launch on slide opening?	05:03
xorAxAx	i want to disable it	05:03
xorAxAx	s/slide/cover/	05:04
DocScrutinizer-8	a good plan	05:05
GeneralAntilles	I want the lens cover to activate the flashlight.	05:05
xorAxAx	yes, good idea	05:06
xorAxAx	but i think i go with the possible solution for now and install camkeyd	05:06
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DocScrutinizer-8	replace it with flashlight autostarting the white LED, and showing a screen with a button to start cam/videocam and a slider to adjust LED brightness	05:06
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red	that would be cool	05:06
xorAxAx	DocScrutinizer-8: do you want to implement it? :)	05:07
GeneralAntilles	I'd just use the camera button to start the camera.	05:07
red	i use the systray flashlight and camera opening is annohying	05:07
red	test	05:07
SpeedEvil	Me too.	05:07
DocScrutinizer-8	xorAxAx: eventually I might consider implementing that aka augmenting flashlight	05:08
SpeedEvil	I'd prefer the hardware zoom to do flashlight level	05:08
SpeedEvil	open-close-open triggers flashlight	05:08
SpeedEvil	then zoom buttons change the level	05:08
DocScrutinizer-8	SpeedEvil: not bad either	05:09
SpeedEvil	I don't want to have to unlock to use the flashlight	05:09
DocScrutinizer-8	a way to choose for stillcam or videocam would be nice anyway	05:09
DocScrutinizer-8	flashlight is kinda emergeny function. you want to get it with as less hassle as possible	05:10
DocScrutinizer-8	and I wish there was a way to safe all my bookmarks >:-(	05:11
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DocScrutinizer-8	or is backup app actually saving bookmarks? sorry can't check as I sent my N900 to infinite boot loop	05:12
Jaffa	Morning, all	05:13
DocScrutinizer-8	moo jaffa	05:13
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer-8: places.sqlite	05:13
DocScrutinizer-8	SpeedEvil: huh?	05:13
Jaffa	xorAxAx: Will do	05:13
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer-8: ~/.mozilla/microb/places.sqlite is where the bookmarks are	05:14
xorAxAx	Jaffa: i went nearly insane putting the debug prints into the code :)	05:14
red	hm	05:15
DocScrutinizer-8	SpeedEvil: I have no access to ~. THANKS NOKIA I can access MyDocs only	05:15
red	do the function keys work in dosbox by any chance	05:15
red	gg playing casino in larry on minimum bet lol	05:15
SpeedEvil	ah	05:15
SpeedEvil	:/	05:15
SpeedEvil	forgot, sorry	05:15
SpeedEvil	umm.	05:16
red	like F1 and so on	05:16
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DocScrutinizer-8	SpeedEvil: thus my question. Did I save my bookmarks when I did a backup with backupapp yesterday?	05:16
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fredrin_	DocScrutinizer-8: did you fix your problem?	05:16
SpeedEvil	I assume so ...	05:16
DocScrutinizer-8	fredrin_: no way :-( Preparing for reflash	05:17
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fredrin_	:(	05:17
DocScrutinizer-8	SpeedEvil: could you list for me all the checkbox options of backup app please?	05:18
SpeedEvil	yes.	05:19
SpeedEvil	no	05:19
SpeedEvil	not at the moment - n900 isn't to hand.	05:19
SpeedEvil	I can confirm that if you tick everything - it does back up bookmarks	05:20
DocScrutinizer-8	ok thanks. fair enough	05:20
SpeedEvil	In 'bookmarks.zip' - in the backups dir	05:20
DocScrutinizer-8	so REFLASH grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr	05:20
SpeedEvil	which contains a bookmarks.xml file somewhere	05:20
SpeedEvil	hmm.	05:20
Flandry	has anyone had a build make it out of the builder since yesterday?	05:20
pupnik	wb flandry. cheers	05:21
Flandry	hi Pupnik :)	05:21
pupnik	i just played through Mass Effect - in many ways an homage to Star Control II	05:21
Flandry	yeah it is, isn't it	05:21
Flandry	i haven't played it yet but it sounds cool	05:22
Flandry	what platform do you play it on?	05:22
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pupnik	except for a couple of catastrophically bad segments, it was one of the most impressive things i've seen	05:22
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pupnik	i stuck a seperate drive in this box and suffered through an XP install to play it	05:22
Flandry	ha	05:23
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Flandry	how long does it take to play through?	05:23
pupnik	14 hours, 16 hours, 12 hours	05:23
pupnik	3 days ;)	05:24
Flandry	heh	05:24
SpeedEvil	14+16+12 is under 2.	05:24
pupnik	lol	05:24
Flandry	had to work in there at some point? or no	05:24
pupnik	i do not use stimulants	05:25
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Flandry	i get a good dose of maemo now and then	05:25
pupnik	ok, planet rover physics are idiotic (xboxlike). planets are too uniformly mountainy. (but gorgeous for the most part). many levels are too tunnel-y, lots of 'neat looking' areas that are totally unbelievable, one mission is completely out-of-character filler material	05:26
Flandry	uqm planets are too uniformly flat ;)	05:27
pupnik	SpaceFlight planets were awesome	05:27
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rabbitear	a dose	05:27
pupnik	sorry StarFlight	05:27
Flandry	i didn't play that	05:28
Flandry	it's legendary i know	05:28
rabbitear	one dose two dose three dose of maemo	05:28
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pupnik	well it's too crufty to get into now	05:28
Flandry	yeah	05:28
rabbitear	test it	05:28
Flandry	the autobuilder ate my uqm version	05:28
rabbitear	:)	05:28
jX	bloody hell	05:28
jX	ok	05:28
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jX	what's the preferred coden and container for a high res video on the n900?	05:29
jX	codec	05:29
Flandry	i uploaded it yesterday and never heard back	05:29
pupnik	yesterday was the switch to new servers, no?	05:29
jX	and the first guy who says "use mplayer to watch videos!" is going to get a stick poked through their esophagus.	05:29
Flandry	no idea jX, but you make quite an entrance	05:29
Flandry	yeah it was	05:29
jX	Flandry: Like Kramer. :)	05:29
Flandry	lol	05:29
pupnik	mplayer is the wrong answer for high res video	05:29
Flandry	use kmplayer...	05:30
Flandry	;)	05:30
pupnik	ok... where's a stick	05:30
* jX stabs Flandry in the throat with a stick		05:30
mfinkle	anybody notice the volume hardkeys sending keystroke events after upgrading to 1.1?	05:30
* Flandry dies noisily		05:30
jX	nice gurgle,	05:30
jX	that touch was appreciated.	05:30
* pupnik sprays insta-heal on the wound		05:30
jX	pupnik; mplayer is always the wrong answer.	05:30
Flandry	i was trying to show a friend a video i took with the N900 today, showing it off you know, and it froze up	05:30
Flandry	the built in player really has issues	05:31
Flandry	later it kept skipping	05:31
jX	try closeing other apps	05:31
Flandry	i had nothing else open :/	05:31
jX	it seems very memory sensitive	05:31
jX	really?	05:31
jX	interesting.	05:31
Flandry	yeah	05:31
red	i use kmplayer myself	05:31
Flandry	i blame the crawler	05:31
Flandry	or whatever that nasty media indexer is called	05:32
jX	I blame the myan calendar.	05:32
pupnik	jX: how high-res do you want to go?	05:32
DocScrutinizer-8	lol. was about to curse flashing doesn't work. But now I got the right micro usb plug. the one that runs to PC, not to charger :o)	05:32
jX	pupnik: I'm looking to reencode a dvd at full res	05:32
red	1080!	05:32
jX	since the screen can handle it	05:32
pupnik	so NTSC dvd is 480 lines?	05:32
jX	I mean, hell, the 9 trailed that comes on the unit is bigger	05:32
jX	it'll be 720x478	05:33
jX	yeah	05:33
pupnik	i scale pal down 480 cause i just don't want to make it scale, but maybe that's not needed	05:33
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pupnik	tablet-encode might be a good search term	05:34
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pupnik	LOL DocScrutinizer-8	05:36
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DocScrutinizer-8	pupnik: actually much less LOL than I thought. Still fails saying "Unable to enumerate USB busses!"	05:38
pupnik	i'm sorry to hear that. flash from a different pc perhaps	05:38
SpeedEvil	pupnik: going to 240 lines is probably more sensible. Unless you're doing TV out	05:39
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer-8: you're	05:39
pupnik	oh i really love the 480. seen enough 240 on 770/n810	05:39
SpeedEvil	booting it and pressing U?	05:39
jX	SpeedEvil: Why in the name of Festivus would 240 be sensible?	05:39
DocScrutinizer-8	SpeedEvil: of course	05:40
SpeedEvil	jX: Well - if you watch from a distance of over 30cm	05:40
pupnik	it isn't that much worse, and a lot smaller	05:40
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jX	SpeedEvil: No, see, I have normal eyes, I can see the terrible blur of the low res	05:40
jX	I boiught an N900 over an iPhone because of the screen (among other reasons)	05:40
DocScrutinizer-8	SpeedEvil: what is the feedback to show it's actually flashing?	05:40
jX	the last thing I want to do is put shitty video on it	05:40
SpeedEvil	I don't remember	05:40
DocScrutinizer-8	SpeedEvil: but there is some sort of feedback?	05:41
pupnik	you get lots of feedback	05:41
pupnik	bytes transferred, then other stuff happens	05:41
DocScrutinizer-8	k	05:42
pupnik	what i did was, device off, start flasher, hold u and connect usb	05:42
pupnik	and it worked with a damaged usb-connector too	05:43
thomaz	should i be worried that my n900 is heating up when charging via usb?	05:43
DocScrutinizer-8	not here. best I get is a b&w NOKIA with usb icon upper left and no backlight. And an immediate ~can't enumerate USB buses!" after "...not found, wiating"	05:44
jX	thomaz: How hot, like, VERY hot?	05:44
DocScrutinizer-8	seems I have to rmmod the mass storage	05:44
DocScrutinizer-8	~help-update	05:44
infobot	extra, extra, read all about it, help-update is http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting	05:44
thomaz	jX, not very hot, more like warm	05:44
jX	no, that's normal	05:44
jX	that means it's getting lots of love via USB and it's happy.	05:45
thomaz	jX, hahahah	05:45
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DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: http://pastebin.com/f33bd47c7	05:59
DocScrutinizer	time to finish: ~0.5sec	05:59
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DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: also tried without the --flash-only rootfs	06:00
DocScrutinizer	same result	06:01
DocScrutinizer-8	anybody any hints?	06:02
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SpeedEvil	hmm	06:04
SpeedEvil	no obvious thoughts - sorry	06:04
SpeedEvil	It was very fast - ~1 min maybe - but not 0.5s	06:04
SpeedEvil	Good luck.	06:04
SpeedEvil	Going to sleep.	06:04
DocScrutinizer	night	06:05
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: and thanks	06:05
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DocScrutinizer	wel lets see.maybe it actually flashed the rottenfs in 0.5s	06:06
DocScrutinizer	nope. still bootloop :-((((	06:07
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* wazd_e63 yawns		06:10
* GeneralAntilles chuckles at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7917#c2		06:11
povbot`	Bug 7917: Extreme Lag in Phone UI after 44-1 Update	06:11
wazd_e63	GeneralAntilles: heya	06:11
KenYoung	When I try to add my public ssh keys to my account on maemo.org, I get the message "this should not happen" . Does anyone know why that message is generated, and how I can avoid it?	06:13
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DocScrutinizer-8	~lart DocScrutinizer	06:14
* infobot frags DocScrutinizer with his BFG9000		06:14
DocScrutinizer-8	forgot -f	06:14
DocScrutinizer-8	c&p error	06:14
b-man17	~burn	06:15
b-man17	~burn himself	06:15
* infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze		06:15
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asj__	KenYoung: did you solve your bugtracker problem?	06:17
GeneralAntilles	Yo, wazd_e63.	06:18
KenYoung	asj__, No, not really. I looked on the web, and there are several discussions where people say the tag I was using should be used in the debian control file, yet the package builder emits a warning when it sees it. Since it is only a warning, and since the package that gets built installs properly, I've decided to ignore the problem fo now.	06:19
asj__	KenYoung: yeah warnings are ok, it warns on the icon too	06:19
GeneralAntilles	KenYoung, the QA docs may have something.	06:20
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GeneralAntilles	If not, pick a package in Extras. . . .	06:20
GeneralAntilles	KenYoung, as for the error, site just moved today, so there may be some niggling little things floating around	06:21
GeneralAntilles	I'd recommend filing a bug.	06:21
KenYoung	GeneralAntilles, The QA doc is where I originally saw that tag mentioned. The QA doc makes it sound like that field is required.	06:21
GeneralAntilles	KenYoung, it is for Extras.	06:21
KenYoung	GeneralAntilles, But not Extras_devel or Extras_Testing?	06:22
rabbitear	do it yourself	06:22
GeneralAntilles	KenYoung, well, no, -devel and -testing don't have any QA requirements.	06:24
wazd_e63	Daaaaamn, first cinema opens at 9.30, and now its 7.23 :(	06:25
KenYoung	GeneralAntilles, Is it mandatory that a newly submitted package must first go into -devel, then be officially promoted to -Testing, and then officially promoted to Extras?	06:25
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GeneralAntilles	Well, inasmuch as "officially" can be defined as "voted on by 10 registered members of maemo.org"	06:26
wazd_e63	What I supposed to do in absolutely unknown city for 3 hours?)	06:26
KenYoung	wazd_e63, Map it for Openstreetmap	06:26
wazd_e63	KenYoung: meh))	06:27
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KenYoung	GeneralAntilles, So all new packages must start out in Extras-devel ?	06:27
GeneralAntilles	wazd_e63, go find a museum?	06:27
wazd_e63	KenYoung: I don't have proper hardware/software anyway)	06:27
wazd_e63	GeneralAntilles: 7:30 am :)	06:28
KenYoung	wazd_e63, IHOP	06:28
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wazd_e63	GeneralAntilles: that's the problem :)	06:29
GeneralAntilles	wazd_e63, ah, something outdoors then?	06:29
wazd_e63	GeneralAntilles: well, yeah, that's the sollution)	06:30
wazd_e63	GeneralAntilles: just wandering around :)	06:30
wazd_e63	GeneralAntilles: but there's no excuse for no 24/7 theatres	06:30
GeneralAntilles	Hehe	06:31
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bfree	wazd_e63: find somewhere to buy some chalk and do some guerilla street marketing for maemo.org ;-)	06:33
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DocScrutinizer	backup app actually is a convenient way to install a bunch of selected apps and still uncheck a few that aren't intended to be installed	06:39
KenYoung	Is there anyone online who has successfully entered their public keys in their maemo.org account information page?	06:40
rabbitear	no no no	06:40
rabbitear	nobody has KenYoung	06:41
rabbitear	you have no know about how public keys actually work	06:41
KenYoung	rabbitear, I sure can't	06:41
wazd_e63	you can enter random stuff	06:41
rabbitear	before you can do anything..	06:41
wazd_e63	Blahblah will do	06:41
KenYoung	rabbitear, I think I know how public keys work.	06:41
rabbitear	KenYoung: maybe you should of gotten an iphone	06:41
KenYoung	rabbitear, Thanks so much for your helpful advice.	06:42
rabbitear	KenYoung: seriously I haven't	06:42
rabbitear	KenYoung: I was just messing with you	06:42
rabbitear	KenYoung: :)	06:42
wazd_e63	KenYoung: maemo.org servers are in move now so you can face some weird bugs eventually	06:43
DocScrutinizer	where to buy the pile of 770 from old server farm?	06:43
rabbitear	KenYoung: you must remember that these people are those helpful, and at the EDGE of the maemo...	06:43
KenYoung	rabbitear, I am normally not so thin skinned, but I've been trying to enter the damn keys for a couple of hours. I just get a "this should not happen" error from the maemo.org website, which isn't extra helpful.	06:44
rabbitear	KenYoung: I don't always think they know the correct way.	06:44
wazd_e63	KenYoung: see my answer above	06:44
rabbitear	KenYoung: I actually say (I mean not you) I just had my n900 since 24th of dec... and I just play	06:45
KenYoung	wazd_e63, THanks. That might be it. Is there a scheduled time for when the move is supposed to be completed?	06:45
rabbitear	KenYoung: eg... I wouldnt care of my stuff was signed or encrypted yet...	06:45
wazd_e63	KenYoung: well, check again in 6 hours or so	06:45
rabbitear	KenYoung: so some real ones exist	06:46
rabbitear	KenYoung: wazd_e63 is right.... irc, is like avatars...	06:47
Flandry	man the autobuilder is fast now	06:47
rabbitear	(if that makes no since too)	06:47
wazd_e63	Flandry: and it still hates me)	06:47
Flandry	well, it ate my app yesterday	06:48
rabbitear	hugs wazd_e63 for reals	06:48
Flandry	i finally gave up and resubmitted ten minutes ago and it's done	06:48
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wazd_e63	Flandry: it just said to me "I won't upload your tar.gz cause you're a stupid looser, hahaha, cya"	06:48
Flandry	wow	06:49
wazd_e63	:D	06:49
rabbitear	gone --- with the slackware crowd, that can't understand that you do not understand.... <--- gone	06:49
Flandry	it's a very sophisticated autobuilder obviously	06:49
Flandry	to resort to such insults	06:50
wazd_e63	Flandry: you bet :D	06:50
wazd_e63	Are there any community themes in extras yet?	06:51
DocScrutinizer	I love coments like 'you are a lOOser' - muhahaha	06:52
DocScrutinizer	comments even ;-)	06:52
Flandry	i dunno but the matrix one is just waiting on kontori's update to theme maker	06:52
wazd_e63	Ah, ok, then Marina can make it first, buhaha :)	06:53
Flandry	really need a tool to do it automatically	06:53
Flandry	i'm glad he's working on that	06:53
wazd_e63	well, there are some more tools along with TM	06:54
DocScrutinizer	yeeeeha. back to normal after a hard recovery action	06:54
wazd_e63	I've used hildon-theme-example + madde as stskeeps sugested	06:54
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orangey	hello all!	06:55
wazd_e63	Docscrutinizer: I'm far from normal after 8 hours in the train)	06:55
orangey	is there anything like qik that uses more free software?	06:55
orangey	or gives an ogg / wmv / whatever feed instead of flash?	06:56
wazd_e63	Ok, lets walk around, bbl	06:56
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DocScrutinizer51	task accomplished :-)	06:57
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pronto	thats what she said	06:57
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DocScrutinizer51	wtf?	06:58
pronto	o.o welcome back my love	06:58
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\|R	Uhm, how does the file manager access windows shares without samba? :)	07:10
\|R	I was at a friend's house and could see the share, though password, i couldn't see anything inside and no where to login...	07:11
\|R	passworded	07:11
DocScrutinizer	\|R: huh?	07:12
tank-man	he wants to access a shared directory on a windows pc from his NIT file manager	07:13
tank-man	and the share has a password	07:14
DocScrutinizer	you seen a samba share of local WiFi LAN in N900 FM?	07:14
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DocScrutinizer	wow	07:15
\|R	DocScrutinizer: yep	07:15
\|R	go figure!	07:15
\|R	you get the device, the memory card and then, shares or something like that	07:16
Jaffa	UPnP perhaps	07:16
Jaffa	Rather than SMB	07:16
DocScrutinizer	yep	07:16
\|R	uhm, maybe :)	07:16
Jaffa	Anyway, resleep time whilst catorise_0.0.3 goes through the autobuilder.	07:17
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DocScrutinizer	Jaffa: hmm. here as well. Now that I went thru that recover from bootloop action	07:19
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DangerMaus	hehe	07:22
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DangerMaus	so it is widespread with the bugs comming with the update?	07:22
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DangerMaus	*is it	07:24
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DocScrutinizer	no idea.	07:27
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DocScrutinizer	update went flawlessly mostly. just had to deinstall a butload of apps to free >42MB in /	07:28
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DangerMaus	heh docScrutinizer been reading bout the issues with needing / space... i think im fine atm dumoped some not optified stuff	07:38
fling	any one wanna hav sex?	07:39
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jX	sure	07:41
DocScrutinizer51	DangerMaus: hildon AppMan will tell you if spave on / is sufficient when you try to update maemo5	07:41
jX	I really hope you're a girl fling or you're about to get a shock	07:41
DangerMaus	k	07:41
DangerMaus	fling, go ask Gary	07:42
fling	gary will u bend over	07:42
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fling	i just jizzed all over my n900	07:47
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pronto	:s	07:48
fling	i want to know is it possible to run abiworld on the n900?	07:49
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FlavioFabricio	#forumnokia	07:51
pronto	o.O	07:51
pronto	O.o	07:52
FlavioFabricio	some here is contributor of forum nokia?	07:52
pwnguin	is that like a crappy version of t.m.o	07:54
pwnguin	?	07:54
\|R	what does du -scm /dev/lib/dpkg gives you? 29MB here...	07:54
pwnguin	\|R: /dev/lib?	07:54
\|R	err	07:55
\|R	/var/lib/dpkg	07:55
pwnguin	25	07:55
\|R	uhm ok :)	07:55
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microlith	hmm	08:06
microlith	N900 attached to a 32" display is amusing	08:06
\|R	bounce time	08:06
Flandry	ffs could someone please fix the promotion finally	08:07
microlith	color reproduction is terrible though	08:07
Flandry	Warning: Cannot use a scalar value as an array in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/services/cache/module/content.php on line 1094	08:07
Flandry	gives that error a bajillion times when i try to promote a package	08:07
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\|R	there should be an optify thingie for locales, 16MB!	08:09
GeneralAntilles	Flandry, X-Fade's probably still down for the count for a few more hours.	08:12
Flandry	Yeah i know it's weird hours	08:12
GeneralAntilles	Flandry, biggest problem with open source projects.	08:13
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GeneralAntilles	Paid hours and hacking hours never overlap.	08:13
Flandry	I was just overly hopeful that the new servers would fix the promotion weirdness	08:13
SyncA	T.M.O down at the moment?	08:14
Flandry	i keep thinking i've collected all the bugs	08:14
GeneralAntilles	Flandry, there are weird config bugs all over the place.	08:14
Flandry	in promotion	08:14
GeneralAntilles	Flandry, probably something pretty easy to fix.	08:14
Flandry	and then i get a new one	08:14
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Flandry	lol	08:14
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Flandry	SyncA: seems to be	08:16
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SyncA	at least I found a fix for my problem, the thanks will be for next time then ;-)	08:19
SyncA	bye all	08:23
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Flandry	now it's back	08:24
Flandry	magically	08:24
Flandry	oh, he's gone	08:24
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DocScrutinizer51	hehe	08:25
DocScrutinizer51	drive by asker	08:25
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DocScrutinizer51	is there a mailing list you could register to, to get T.M.O new posts? I hate forum	08:27
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\|R	Where does HAM puts the repo that use 15MB ?	08:37
\|R	it doesn't seem to be in /var/cache/apt or /var/lib/dpkg	08:38
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DocScrutinizer51	\|R: possibly keeps it in RAM as that is what we have most of, considering swap file size compared to du /	08:49
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DocScrutinizer51	btw do you know it's annoying like hell to get your nick on the line? at least on N900	08:50
rabbitear	I say its open	08:52
rabbitear	agree to just destroy	08:53
rabbitear	nobody else cares	08:53
\|R	DocScrutinizer51: haha, get the \| char in the bar :-)	08:55
\|R	DocScrutinizer51: but, if it's in RAM, then how come you save / space when removing repo?	08:55
DocScrutinizer51	bar?	08:55
\|R	xterm-bar... well i thought you'd be using irssi hehe.. what's the client? :)	08:55
DocScrutinizer51	repo : dunno	08:56
DocScrutinizer51	no xterm here	08:56
DocScrutinizer51	xchat	08:56
\|R	:)	08:57
DocScrutinizer51	and in a magic way all the settings and even custom file in ~/.xchat2 survived the rootfs flashing I had to do 4h ago	08:59
DocScrutinizer51	seems rootfs really doesn't mean /home	08:59
\|R	nop, /home is the 2GB partition :)	09:01
DocScrutinizer51	quite convenient to have a click and kick on highlighted msgs in xchat	09:01
\|R	ok, the lists are in /var/lib/apt/lists/	09:01
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Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer51: ehh.. no	10:24
DocScrutinizer51	Stskeeps: ehh what? :-) howdy!	10:25
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer51: banned you i didnt	10:25
Stskeeps	you on t-dialin	10:25
DocScrutinizer51	freenode madness	10:25
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DocScrutinizer51	hmm kinda	10:26
Stskeeps	fixed now	10:27
Stskeeps	there was a ban matching you by accident	10:27
DocScrutinizer51	Stskeeps: I'm just looking into usb networking (like ssh to N900 over usb). Seems I'm missing a few bits. Any comments	10:27
DocScrutinizer51	?	10:28
slonopotamus	hmm	10:29
DocScrutinizer51	first of all cdc_ether (which I think is upnlink0) is missing an IP addr	10:29
slonopotamus	pr1.1 stopped playing some mpeg files, says no codec found.	10:30
Stskeeps	mtd: not sure, sorry	10:31
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BluesLee	ping all	10:38
DocScrutinizer	ponggong	10:39
BluesLee	hey Doc	10:40
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer51: saw my ubifs guide btw?	10:40
DocScrutinizer	hrhrhrrr	10:40
* DocScrutinizer remembers a pack of cookies		10:40
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: yep	10:40
BluesLee	DocScrutinizer: do you know something about this python-optify package which adds additional mountpoints and doesnt remove them after removing the package?	10:41
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DocScrutinizer	rather short	10:41
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: but exact	10:41
DocScrutinizer	BluesLee: nada	10:41
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: yup. yet have to check if ubitize or what it's called is available for my distro	10:42
Stskeeps	mtd-utils has it	10:42
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DocScrutinizer	no mtd-utils for me :-/	10:49
Stskeeps	compile on your own then	10:49
DocScrutinizer	yo	10:50
ruskie	hmm odd... the battery meter is showing ~80% full yet if I check using lshal I get 68%	10:52
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: this night I would have paid a couple of beers for that guy who might have implemented a simple bootmenu script that checks for a special key combination pressed and if it sees that then opens a xterm and stops all further system startup	10:53
ruskie	I doubt you would have xterm so early	10:54
DocScrutinizer	ruskie: hmm. a shell without xterm then?	10:58
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DocScrutinizer	lol	11:00
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ruskie	DocScrutinizer, yeah but the keymap would need to be fixed to support the fn keys	11:05
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Stskeeps	ruskie: you really don't have xterm that early	11:10
Stskeeps	err, DocScrutinizer	11:10
Stskeeps	this is way pre X	11:11
Stskeeps	best thing you can get is telnet over usbnet or the likes	11:11
DocScrutinizer	well even that would be handy	11:11
DocScrutinizer	but for now and atm I fail to see any defaults for any usbnet	11:12
Stskeeps	there's support for it in bootmenu but not implement	11:12
Stskeeps	just use community standard	11:12
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Stskeeps	g_ether, 192.168.2.14 for host, 2.15 for device	11:12
pupnik	wiki, howto?	11:13
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DocScrutinizer	pc-connectivity offers exactly this for 'network'. alas it fails obviously	11:13
pupnik	because if i edit rx-51 keymap again, i dont want to reflash on screwup	11:13
Stskeeps	well that or g_serial	11:13
pupnik	tried adding pgup,dn,home,end to arrows	11:14
Flandry	lol pupnik	11:14
DocScrutinizer	pupnik: ssh over WiFi works like a charm	11:14
pupnik	not when you get 5 dots	11:14
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DocScrutinizer	hmmm	11:14
Flandry	about 3 hours here :/	11:15
pupnik	sleep?	11:15
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: grab bootmenu SVN and hack in the support :P	11:15
Flandry	so far	11:15
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: aah	11:15
DocScrutinizer	k	11:15
pupnik	Stskeeps: ty. this is a good thing to do	11:16
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Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: there is actually support just not working for n900	11:17
Stskeeps	as you need to add g_ether module or find a way to use g_nokia	11:17
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DocScrutinizer	thats what I guessed as I thought this is heritage from N810 etc	11:17
Stskeeps	yeah	11:18
DocScrutinizer	same like usb-host	11:18
Stskeeps	i decided it was more important to get the framework going as it was a jungle on n8x0	11:18
DocScrutinizer	framework?	11:19
Stskeeps	well, bootmenu stuff	11:19
Stskeeps	it has the ability to be extended to a lot more than being just a bootmenu so	11:19
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* pupnik gets all kinds of bad ideas		11:24
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DocScrutinizer	like dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/mtdblk0 ?	11:27
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pupnik	http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding thanks bigtime to RevDkathy for the handbrake profile!	11:28
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DocScrutinizer	wow. ts-calib has a break key (bs) and a note telling you	11:30
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ruskie	mmm first time testing the fm transmitter... works nice	11:40
ruskie	and I like that it's pulse based... means that even though I'm using xmms2 it still outputs there	11:40
pupnik	german airwaves are a bit noisy for it	11:41
pupnik	what range can you get ruskie	11:42
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Trizt	I tried it once and got nothing but statics	11:42
ruskie	no clue	11:42
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Stskeeps	worked for me when close enough to receiver's antenna	11:43
Trizt	qt vs gtk? pro cons in maemo?	11:43
Stskeeps	qt for officially continued development past maemo5	11:43
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Trizt	it's qt4 right?	11:43
Stskeeps	yeah	11:44
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ruskie	I had to put it to 88.2 else I got a lo tof noise	11:45
ruskie	haven't tried the range though	11:45
Stskeeps	hmm, shell hackers	11:45
Stskeeps	how would be the best way to uppercase first letter in a string?	11:46
Stskeeps	i'm thinking tr and such	11:46
lcuk	ask_maemo.sh	11:46
* RST38h moos		11:48
ruskie	Stskeeps, sed	11:48
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RST38h	Bug #8114	11:52
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8114 Video player volume control desynced from master control	11:52
RST38h	Gentlemen, could I ask you to verify and vote on this bug? =)	11:52
red	11:37 < pupnik> german airwaves are a bit noisy for it	11:53
Stskeeps	i did get my ears blasted out the other day due to something like that	11:53
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red	Same in Tampere Finland. I actually put my car stereo to near full and went thru the whole FM band with 0.5 ticks and there was no frequencies where I didn't get feedback from radio stations.	11:53
red	Like very small ambient signal talk/music/hissing	11:53
lcuk	red, where is the antenna in your car?	11:54
red	which then translates to buzzing while running the FM transmitter	11:54
lcuk	i can move my radio around the cabin on most channels and override radio	11:54
red	it extends from left A-Pillar	11:54
red	couldnt override any channels	11:54
red	even with N900 at the antenna	11:54
red	im guessing they use more powerful transmitters here, to cover more area (Finland is big)	11:54
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thresh	FM TX should not be used to override FM radios	11:55
lcuk	is there some sort of booster app around that i recall seeing, not sure what it does or why or how or if it will eat your firstborn but it might work	11:55
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lcuk	thresh, of course it can	11:56
thresh	find a clear frequency, tune both devices to it, and you're done	11:56
lcuk	its fun putting my music over the top	11:56
lcuk	tracy goes mad	11:56
lcuk	:D	11:56
cehteh	you booted the n900 transmitter power too? there is a app for that .. or just some /sys hacking	11:56
red	thresh: if only there were such frequencies	11:56
barfoos	do i have to enable birthdays in the calendar or should they be shown by default when birthdays exist my contacts? my calendar doesnt display the birthdays i entered. (most recent firmware)	11:56
* Stskeeps bangs his head against insane gtk theming issues		11:56
thresh	in two countries i've been with n900 (turkey and russia) signals are just too powerful	11:56
red	id like to find a app to boost the power aswell, but unlikely one exists	11:57
red	or is possible	11:57
thresh	red: you usually need 0.2 range or something	11:57
red	thresh: I tried at the antenna.	11:57
cehteh	red: there is one	11:57
red	literally touching it	11:57
red	cehteh: whats it called?	11:57
cehteh	at least here in germany the transmitter is artifically limited because of regulations, but i suspect thats the case in many countries	11:57
red	ah, sounds plausible	11:58
cehteh	forgot its name maybe its in devl or testing	11:58
red	tradeoff - I guess, is that it eats more cpu	11:58
red	battery*	11:58
cehteh	i have no device currently .. but search tmp there are tipps .. you can just echo 118 >/sys/somewhere	11:58
cehteh	to set the power level to max	11:58
cehteh	certainly that too	11:59
pupnik_	hardly helps for me	11:59
cehteh	well i didnt had any problems with receiving the transmitter and tried with different radios	11:59
pupnik_	30 cm max here	11:59
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red	did u try in a car?	12:00
cehteh	you need to find a free frequenncy or at least tune between two frequencies .. and find a good spot to place the device	12:00
cehteh	yes that too	12:00
red	like outside rather than in an apartment	12:00
red	k	12:00
red	I tweaked the frequencies like 30 min @ my car	12:00
cehteh	if the car antenna is on the roof you may have to place the device near the radio or very front under the windschield	12:00
red	wasnt able to find a good one so I just use a 3.5mm to 3.5mm cord at the moment but i dislike having that in my car	12:00
cehteh	and dont connect usb or headphones	12:00
red	no I don't use those :P god a good audio set in the car	12:01
red	and I keep it on the little area under the windshield	12:01
pupnik_	i found a spot in car that works ok	12:01
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red	kinda that or pocket	12:01
red	it works "ok" but theres background hissing and spikes at times	12:01
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red	and its very noticeable with good audio kit	12:01
cehteh	when you plug any cable in, it reduces power to satisfy the requirements ..	12:02
red	"FM Boost - a script to boost FM TX to 118"	12:02
cehteh	which is bit overreacting	12:02
red	that it?	12:02
cehteh	yes	12:02
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red	ill give it a go next time Im driving	12:02
cehteh	note: using it might be illegal in your country .. i am not liable for this tip :P	12:02
red	like someone cares lol	12:03
red	or monitors	12:03
lcuk	it should boost it to 11	12:03
* ColdFyre ponies		12:03
red	app said "118"	12:03
Corsac	the thing is, receivers won't go to 118 :/	12:04
red	ahh	12:04
pupnik_	thanks, government	12:04
red	the booster is just 88-107 to 88-118? :P	12:04
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pupnik_	got a pack of 2500 mAh AA batts	12:06
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cehteh	someone saied 118 is the max power level	12:06
cehteh	well read the source luke .. the one of the fm transmitter in the kernel of course	12:06
cehteh	88?	12:06
pupnik_	could fit 7 of them behind n900 :)	12:06
cehteh	dont confuse frequency with sending power	12:07
red	cehteh: thats what I wanted to make sure	12:07
red	that we were talking about power and not freq =)	12:07
red	SeriesFinale app <3	12:07
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cehteh	actually the frequency can be as low as 76Mhz .. but for legal reasons it starts at 88	12:08
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cehteh	and thats really dangerous to go down .. first: normal radios dont receive that and second these frewquencies are used by police and rescue services	12:08
cehteh	if you use or block them then the'll really go after you	12:09
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pupnik_	hahaha @ "block"	12:09
cehteh	no point to try to tweak there	12:09
cehteh	well standing next to a police care blocking the freq while your buddy robs the bank on the other side :)	12:09
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red	cehteh: I'd bet the fatsos would have no clue	12:10
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cehteh	here in germany receiving this frequencies is illegal too	12:11
red	ye but like someone can see that you hook up a pirated police radio	12:11
red	countless reporters do that I bet	12:11
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BluesLee	some python packaging experts here?	12:12
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cehteh	my father was radio technical and once got a job to make a report for a court finding out if the defendant tweaked his car radio	12:12
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Veggen	it's not illegal in Norway. used to be, but it was challenged some years ago, and found legal.	12:13
cehteh	dunno about other countries .. but ago they where quite serious about that here	12:13
red	yeah well that way you can ofcourse see	12:13
cehteh	yeah i once seen a netherlands internet radio which streams amsterdam police radio .. HAHA :P	12:13
red	but to monitor if someone is receiving the frequency is impossible	12:13
pupnik_	schon G3Zahlt?	12:13
cehteh	red: yes but if you have evidince that he tweaked his radio maybe to circumvent speeding charged by finding out where they hide or assist some other crime that had a big penality	12:15
red	plausible, but unrealistic 99% cases	12:16
Veggen	for some reason, it's legal at home - but not in your car - here.	12:16
red	you need to get caught of something else basicly to make them suspect that	12:16
cehteh	yes	12:16
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Veggen	hmm. confusing. think I'll have to go closer to the source to check specifics.	12:17
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red	ahh, now I updated SeriesFinale with the series I watch and know what and when :)	12:20
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slonopotamus	what is the reasoning behind serving bugzilla via https, btw?	12:25
Stskeeps	so your cookies and passwords aren't caught?	12:26
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slonopotamus	how my bugzie cookie is more important than t.m.o cookie (that isn't served via ssl)	12:28
slonopotamus	?	12:28
Stskeeps	well.	12:28
Stskeeps	:P	12:28
slonopotamus	yep.	12:28
slonopotamus	:P	12:28
slonopotamus	Stskeeps, maybe nokia thinks t.m.o content has no value? :)	12:30
Stskeeps	bugs.maemo.org != nokia	12:30
slonopotamus	and isn't worth being protected :P	12:30
slonopotamus	Stskeeps, doesn't matter. whoever manages it.	12:31
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RST38h	X-Fade: Here?	12:36
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flux	is it just me, or have there been very few packages upgraded lately in the maemo-extras/maemo-extras-evel?	12:51
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Stskeeps	X-Fade: isn't debian/optify set to 'auto' supposed to make autobuilder optify the thing?	12:52
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LuciusMare	ohai, how filled rootfs bricks my device?	12:55
SpeedEvil	With extreme prejudice!	12:56
SpeedEvil	That would be good actually.	12:56
LuciusMare	i have got 80 and i am afraid i wont boot	12:56
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SpeedEvil	LuciusMare: are you installing through HAM?	12:56
Proteous	or BEEF	12:56
Proteous	sorry	12:56
SpeedEvil	HAM installed fine for me with 50M free	12:57
SpeedEvil	40	12:57
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LuciusMare	i dont think so, i dont even know what HAM is	12:57
LuciusMare	default app manager	12:57
wazd_e63	Reheya maemo	12:57
RST38h	moo wazd	12:57
Proteous	reheated hi to you too wazd_e63	12:58
LuciusMare	and,oh, i meant 80% filled	12:58
Proteous	that's nothing	12:58
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LuciusMare	so no brick?	12:58
wazd_e63	Rst38h: holding ddp device in my hands, trying to resist)	12:58
LuciusMare	and,what is this HAM?	12:58
Proteous	tasty	12:59
LuciusMare	>_>	12:59
Proteous	the app manager	12:59
LuciusMare	oh	12:59
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LuciusMare	well, i installed the last app w/ apt-get, because the app manager keeps updating its repos,and i cant afford it on gprs	13:00
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Proteous	find some free wifi and do it there :)	13:00
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LuciusMare	hah	13:01
LuciusMare	no free wifi in sight, i am afraid	13:01
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xorAxAx	wazd_e63: hey, did you push the marina package already?	13:02
LuciusMare	aw,shit,man	13:03
LuciusMare	this piece of fbreader keeps freezing, i just reinstgalled it	13:03
LuciusMare	"making list book.please wai-freeezee."	13:04
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pupnik_	xorAxAx: any luck with updating app icons?	13:05
pupnik_	if i click on "all" i get the whole list	13:05
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xorAxAx	pupnik_: well, there is a bug	13:05
xorAxAx	report	13:05
pupnik_	whats the package called again	13:05
xorAxAx	pupnik_: as long as its not fixed, you can workaround it by calling /opt/catorise/catorise manually	13:06
Jaffa	pupnik_: Catorise	13:06
pupnik_	i can not find packages in bugtracker btw	13:06
pupnik_	ty	13:06
Jaffa	pupnik_: https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?product=Catorise	13:06
pupnik_	the bug is known	13:06
* Jaffa is about to upload 0.0.4 with a fix :)		13:06
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pupnik_	sweet	13:07
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RST38h	wazd: Do not resist, just buy the damn thing	13:07
pupnik_	it is just wonderful to have orted app icons	13:07
lardman\|home	what's the damn thing in question?	13:07
pupnik_	sorted	13:07
Anidel	hi	13:08
RST38h	lardman: n900	13:08
Anidel	hey lardman .. hi RST38h and Jaffa	13:08
RST38h	moo Anidel	13:08
Anidel	:)	13:09
Jaffa	lardman\|home: Catorise?	13:09
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Jaffa	hi Anidel	13:09
lardman\|home	hi chaps	13:09
lardman\|home	<RST38h> wazd: Do not resist, just buy the damn thing	13:10
lardman\|home	Jaffa: but Catorise works nicely, especially since the update and web appearing :)	13:10
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Jaffa	lardman\|home: bug 8206 should now be fixed; but bug 8111 is worrying	13:11
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8206 was not found.	13:11
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8111 Catorise creates issues for dbus-activate apps (phone, messaging ui, etc ..)	13:11
Jaffa	8026 rather	13:11
maxxle	Hello! Since upgrading PR1.1 i can't find mplayer in my reposirotry. Was there any change? I have the maemo-repository for fremantile with free non-free.	13:12
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SpeedEvil	mplayer from my previous installation works - at least for mp3	13:13
lardman\|home	I've not seen problems re 8111 when launching from desktop shortcut	13:13
xorAxAx	RST38h: hi, vgb doesnt show GB and GBC files, only gb and gbc	13:13
xorAxAx	RST38h: can you fix that? :)	13:13
RST38h	xorAxAx: Fix what?	13:14
lardman\|home	ah, triggers issue, rootstrap needs updating	13:14
xorAxAx	RST38h: the file mask for the file open dialog	13:14
RST38h	xorAxAx: What is wrong with the file mask?	13:14
maxxle	SpeedEvil: I don't have an mplayer from my previous installation left. The update purged it.	13:14
xorAxAx	RST38h: vgb doesnt show GB and GBC files, only gb and gbc	13:14
RST38h	Oh, the letter case...	13:14
RST38h	xorAxAx: rename your files to have proper extensions. Linux is case-sensitive.	13:14
xorAxAx	my files came from a DOS partition	13:14
xorAxAx	i know	13:14
RST38h	too bad.	13:15
RST38h	But Windows preserves letter case, so this should not be a problem.	13:15
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maxxle	Maybe someone could do a "apt-cache search mplayer" on an upgraded n900 and tell me if there is a package for mplayer. I can see only pulseaudio, kmplayer worldtv99	13:16
RST38h	"Muscovites complain that the porno movie shown at a huge advertising display in the downtown last night was of extremely low quality"	13:16
* RST38h cackles		13:16
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till-	isnt mplayer part of kmplayer?	13:17
lardman\|home	~curse our toolchain for not supporting FORTRAN therefore making lardman's life difficult having to deal with f2c	13:17
infobot	May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, our toolchain for not supporting FORTRAN therefore making lardman's life difficult having to deal with f2c !	13:17
maxxle	till-: No. kmplayer ist just a frontend to mplayer imho	13:17
Lynoure	Ever since the latest upgrade, the device asks me now and then what network I want to connect to, when I turn on the display	13:17
pupnik_	mplayer - The Ultimate Movie Player, N900 version.	13:17
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Lynoure	Anything I can do to stop that? I'm not running any network-needy programs.	13:18
till-	i want mencoder on maemo	13:18
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maxxle	pupnik_: Thx. I wonder why I don't have it in my repositories available. Do you have any other repositories: Nokia Applications, Nokia System Software Updates, Ovi, Maemo.org	13:19
RST38h	lardman: 505 IT IS SAID YOU CAN CODE IN FORTRAN	13:19
RST38h	lardman: 515 USING ANY LANGUAGE	13:19
lardman\|home	GOTO 505	13:19
frals	lol	13:19
pupnik_	Filename: pool/fremantle/free/m/mplayer/mplayer_1.0svn_armel.deb	13:20
SpeedEvil	till-: I've been using it - it comes with mplayer	13:20
pupnik_	is that -devel?	13:20
till-	really? not on my n800	13:20
SpeedEvil	till-: using it for transcoding on device - which is silly - but gets 6fps even on biggish files, and encoding video	13:21
pillar	maemo.org repos still down for me from the device..	13:21
SpeedEvil	mplayer --version says SVN-r30099-4.2.1	13:21
pupnik_	there must be a way to get apt-cache to show -devel -testing or whatevah	13:22
maxxle	Hm. I think I should remove the maemo repository and add it again.	13:22
maxxle	I'll have a try!	13:22
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maxxle	Hm. I even can't delete/edit entries in my "Application catalogs"	13:24
maxxle	I'll try to edit it in /etc/sources.list	13:24
pupnik_	i hope some commercial navi software with traffic updates is in the works	13:25
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maxxle	pupnik_: I hope Ovi Maps 3.0 will be available for n900. I was using i on my 5800XM	13:26
maxxle	Great Software.	13:26
pupnik_	cool	13:26
pupnik_	turn navi worked ok?	13:27
maxxle	pupnik_: Yes! It worked perfect including Voice and all the stuff. Just as good as my TomTom.	13:27
pupnik_	if people had n900 option against expensive car navigation, that would sell units	13:28
pupnik_	nice	13:28
maxxle	I couldn't believe that there was only Maps 1.0 on the n900 as I used it the first time. In this version the navigation is just useless.	13:28
SpeedEvil	I could implement a xkcd GPS in one line of awk.	13:29
maxxle	Maps 3.0 would be a real Killer App imho for the N900	13:29
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SpeedEvil	http://xkcd.com/407/	13:29
SpeedEvil	with voice directions with espeak too	13:30
Stskeeps	wazd_e63: grab it and run for it!	13:30
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jaska	that kind of gps would just say cold cold cold cold all the time here	13:31
Stskeeps	till-: ping	13:31
jaska	except for a couple days/weeks a year	13:31
maxxle	Wired. Portmap and nfs is missing too in my repository :(	13:31
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pupnik_	maybe the german government dns proxy is out of sync	13:34
* RST38h read "german government proxy" and wondered		13:35
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pupnik_	t-online dns broke when they were forced to implement that	13:35
pupnik_	i consider it a tos violation	13:35
Lynoure	Does this constant attempt to get online happen to other with the new upgrade as well?	13:36
pupnik_	thanks jaffa for the bugfix	13:37
pupnik_	Lynoure: not for me. i set device to connect manyally	13:37
Jaffa	pupnik_: np	13:38
Lynoure	pupnik_: How? I found the "always ask" option, but that does not seem to help	13:38
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pupnik_	lynoure, sounds like a bug	13:39
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Lynoure	pupnik_: Feels like one too, I wonder if it is having IM accounts defined that makes it nag.	13:40
pupnik_	ahh maybe	13:40
maxxle	For the mplayer/nfs/portmap problem. You need another repository: http://repository.maemo.org => install for latest rleases (this means "fremantle extras-devel")	13:40
felipec	I can't find how to push packages to extras-testing, the wiki page doesn't help: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing	13:42
joppu	felipec: it's currently broken - atleast for me	13:43
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Stskeeps	joppu: fixed highlighting (if you follow directions in try_it_out.sh) i think and optification	13:46
felipec	joppu: today or yesterday?	13:47
X-Fade	joppu: Still broken, should be fixed now?	13:48
LuciusMare_away	and,how is it going with catorise?	13:48
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felipec	anyway, what's the procedure to get them to -devel?	13:48
felipec	er, -testing	13:48
X-Fade	felipec: go to the package instance page in maemo.org/packages/	13:49
X-Fade	felipec: And click on promote there.	13:49
felipec	X-Fade: http://maemo.org/packages/view/telepathy-msn-pecan/ <- I see no promote there =/	13:50
X-Fade	felipec: go to the specific version, armel .	13:51
X-Fade	felipec: Ah, it has missing dependencies?	13:52
Jaffa	LuciusMare: Catorise 0.0.4 fixes bug 8026 but suffers from bug 8111	13:52
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8026 Catorise does not add icon in the category when a new application is installed	13:52
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8111 Catorise creates issues for dbus-activate apps (phone, messaging ui, etc ..)	13:52
LuciusMare	hm	13:52
felipec	X-Fade: nope, I don't know why it says that	13:53
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X-Fade	felipec: I did not update for new sdk yet.	13:53
X-Fade	felipec: is this depending on versions available in pr1.1 ?	13:54
LuciusMare	so,you say "do not want" yet?	13:54
red	is the N900 wifi only able to pull about 350KB/sec or is Revision3:s DL server slow?	13:54
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red	the second part is retorical :p	13:54
hrw\|n900	hi	13:54
felipec	X-Fade: the package works fine on PR1.0	13:54
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hrw\|n900	Jaffa: you here?	13:55
LuciusMare	ow	13:55
bigon_	hi, should I open a bug report for that? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40786	13:55
LuciusMare	my headphone is borken	13:55
felipec	X-Fade: there are no hard-coded dependencies	13:55
felipec	X-Fade: the build dependencies are: debhelper (>= 5), librtcom-accounts-widgets-dev, libglade2-dev, libnss3-dev, maemo-optify	13:55
X-Fade	felipec: how can that be if it depends on libosso1 >= 2.26, while 2.23 is in pr1?	13:56
LuciusMare	only one,though,my songs are stereo,so i only hear these drums.	13:56
felipec	X-Fade: that's something the build system added	13:56
felipec	Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}	13:56
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LuciusMare	can i switch it so both channels are going into only one physical channel?	13:56
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X-Fade	felipec: Ah, yeah it is built against new sdk repository.	13:57
Jaffa	hrw\|n900: Yup	13:58
hrw\|n900	X-Fade: so sdk has newer stuff?	13:59
hrw\|n900	Jaffa: tried to upgrade sbox?	13:59
* hrw\|n900 off		13:59
felipec	X-Fade: looks like that... all I did was scp to garage.maemo.org:/var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle/ as the instructions said	13:59
X-Fade	hrw\|n900: yes, new sdk == pr1.1 == 51-1 rootfs on device.	13:59
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Jaffa	hrw\|n900: Given the autobuilder is using the same version as my locale one	14:01
Jaffa	s/locale/local/	14:01
infobot	Jaffa meant: hrw\|n900: Given the autobuilder is using the same version as my local one	14:01
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X-Fade	felipec: Yes, just need to load pr1.1 into the interface. I'll try to do that today.	14:01
felipec	X-Fade: awesome! :)	14:01
X-Fade	felipec: Just didn't have time for that yet with the server move and all.	14:01
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* Jaffa wonders where the new SDK announcement and upgrade instructions are :-(		14:03
* X-Fade wonders if those were uploaded to the old server ;)		14:03
felipec	X-Fade: yeah, they were, I think I did it just before the server move	14:04
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X-Fade	wtf. Why is qik in sdk? :)	14:04
Stskeeps	where? :P	14:05
trem	hi all	14:05
X-Fade	Oh, no it is in Nokia applications.	14:05
X-Fade	http://maemo.org/packages/view/qik/	14:05
Stskeeps	ah	14:05
Stskeeps	http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/16/apple-retaliates-requests-us-import-ban-on-nokia-phones/ <- neat	14:06
hrw\|n900	Jaffa: I just did apt-get update/upgrade in sbox for new sdk	14:06
hrw\|n900	off again _ arrived home	14:06
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Jaffa	hrw\|n900: Yeah, historically though that's been an "unsupported" way of upgrading	14:09
red	nvm, was just bad server.. getting 550KB/sec now which is decent	14:09
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LuciusMare	can i install extensions to microb just as in "normal" firefox?	14:11
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pupnik_	vgba is so great now with assignable keys for diagonals. i am testing n900 keyboard as i-way dpad for the first time and it works very nicely.	14:13
hrw\|n900	Jaffa: you know what I am thinking of other ways?	14:13
pupnik_	8-way	14:13
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PBeck	hi	14:22
PBeck	hi where can i find the dbus api for maemo? I search for it since half an hour - but i think i have the wrong searchwords ;)	14:22
villager	what do you mean dbus api? it's just standard dbus...	14:23
xorAxAx	he means the docs	14:24
PBeck	villager: for example i search for the meaning of this sentence	14:24
xorAxAx	hi PBeck	14:24
PBeck	/com/nokia/hildon_desktop com.nokia.hildon_desktop.set_state int32:128	14:24
villager	xorAxAx: I know that	14:24
PBeck	hi xorAxAx, all right? :) You own an n900? :)	14:24
xorAxAx	PBeck: yep	14:24
PBeck	-n	14:24
PBeck	xorAxAx: nice to hear :)	14:24
villager	PBeck: then you're not looking for the dbus api... you're looking for a spec on the com.nokia.hildon_desktop interface, not a spec on dbus	14:25
PBeck	villager: yes exactly	14:26
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hrww	re	14:26
PBeck	http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/UI_Framework#D-Bus_signal_for_closing_applications <= ah that should be not completely wrong	14:26
PBeck	hi hrww	14:27
hrww	Jaffa: my sbox has dpkg 1.14.25	14:27
hrww	Jaffa: so it looks like autobuilder require upgrade	14:27
hrww	bye	14:28
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Jaffa	hrw\|n900: Cool	14:35
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dylanm	hi everyone, i have a small question about the maemo 5 media player	14:49
dylanm	how do i play a video in full screen mode?	14:49
slonopotamus	err	14:50
lcuk	press it	14:50
slonopotamus	how you play video in non-fullscreen?	14:50
lcuk	press it	14:50
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lcuk	afaik lol	14:50
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lcuk	ok maybe not	14:51
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frals	:D	14:51
Andy80	hi all	14:51
lcuk	how do you play a video not fullscreen	14:51
slonopotamus	:P	14:51
frals	yes, how do you get it to not be fullscreen? :D	14:51
Andy80	why Pixelpipe plugin is no more available in App Manager?	14:51
slonopotamus	you've just repeated my question	14:51
PBeck	perhaps it had not the right resolution?	14:52
PBeck	smaller then 800x480	14:52
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Andy80	oh sorry.. just joined the channel :)	14:52
dylanm	yeah, it's smaller, but it should still be possible to view it in full screen, right?	14:52
PBeck	so the n900 has no fullscreen mode - perhaps	14:52
Andy80	slonopotamus: oh... it's on the Ovi Store now O_o	14:52
* lcuk sits with slonopotamus wondering now how to make a video not fullscreen		14:52
* frals leaves the confusion and goes back to fixing with MMS		14:52
lcuk	frals, you should have an automatic test # setup	14:53
lcuk	and make a gallery of the mmses you have gotten from people saying thankyou!	14:53
frals	haha	14:53
frals	that be pretty cool	14:53
slonopotamus	dylanm, it is maximied to fit screen.	14:53
* lcuk would send a picture of a trophy		14:53
slonopotamus	dylanm, what else are you expecting?	14:54
dylanm	hmmm, yeah, i was afraid that would be the case	14:54
dylanm	well then, is there an 800x480 video to fix stuck pixels?	14:54
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lcuk	frals, you never know, some ladies might be even more appreciative lol	14:54
lcuk	mornin konttori	14:54
frals	lcuk: i dont think the misses would appreciate that ;D	14:55
lcuk	konttori, you gonna be around nrc next week?	14:55
lcuk	frals, what can you do	14:55
lcuk	mms groupies	14:55
frals	hehe	14:55
Luser	i must be blind.. how to see the history of a bug on bugzilla? like status/enhancement/milestone?	14:56
Arkenoi	wtf? i cannot see my shared shit on Ovi anymore! why did i use that ugly service at all?	14:56
slonopotamus	Luser, 'view bug activity'	14:56
dylanm	so there is no n900 video to fix stuck pixels? or perhaps a video with the same aspect ratio so it is downscaled?	14:56
lcuk	wat?	14:56
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slonopotamus	dylanm, you can crop your original video so it scales to 800x480.	14:57
RST38h	back	14:57
Luser	slonopotamus, thx. I need to be logged in then? cause I don't see it..	14:57
lcuk	i onder how a video can fix stuck pixels? and if that works, can we get a video to remove bubbles from screen protectors	14:57
slonopotamus	lcuk, what's 'stuck pixels'?	14:58
lcuk	i dunno	14:58
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slonopotamus	lcuk, but you were talking about them pretending you know :P	14:58
dylanm	nvm, i'll get help elsewhere	14:58
lcuk	dylanm, first you ask about fullscreen video	14:59
Arkenoi	ah. share.ovi.com still works, but it's just a different site with no link from ovi.com. FAIL FACEPALM	14:59
lcuk	the n900 doesnt appear to play video not fullscreen	14:59
lcuk	then you ask about one to remove something which is theoretically hardware related	15:00
dylanm	uh, then what about this: http://www.jscreenfix.com/video.php	15:00
slonopotamus	o_O	15:01
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Andy80	uff... that f*** pixelpipe doesn't work :\	15:01
lcuk	dylanm, o_O indeed, my eyes, the googles they do nothing!	15:02
frals	lcuk: some "stuck pixels" are revived after a lot of cycles of that pixel appearently	15:02
Andy80	it only uploads on Pixelpipe and not on pipes I've configured	15:02
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lcuk	my eyes are dead after the same amount of cycles tho!	15:02
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lcuk	ok dylanm so you want that video to play without any aspect ratio borders?	15:03
dylanm	so what should i do... grab the PAL version of the video and upscale it with handbrake?	15:03
RST38h	"Burnt-in areas should be noticeably improved within 12 hours"	15:03
lcuk	i hear there is a build of mplayer	15:03
RST38h	Yea right	15:03
lcuk	which has options for doing what you need	15:03
Luser	slonopotamus, thx, yes i neede to be logged in.. found my 1 yo password	15:03
slonopotamus	+1 for mplayer	15:03
Luser	+1 too	15:03
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lcuk	it looks like the stuff they show aliens in close encounters :D	15:04
lcuk	i wonder what its embedding in your mind	15:04
lcuk	"these are not the stuck pixels you are looking for"	15:04
pupnik_	:)	15:04
lcuk	dylanm, is it just random colors ? or is there a proper order	15:05
RST38h	lcuk: Don't they go for electric shock right away?	15:05
slonopotamus	lcuk, stop watching!	15:05
lcuk	WARNING: DO NOT LOOK INTO STUCKPIXELFIXVIDEO WITH REMAINING EYE!"	15:05
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lcuk	i cant help it :'(	15:05
slonopotamus	how they made it loop, i wonder	15:05
lcuk	it says theres java versions	15:06
slonopotamus	lcuk, close 1 eye at least.	15:06
lcuk	i could push a liq* version in a few minutes doing similar	15:06
lcuk	but i fear for your eyes	15:06
lcuk	its like game of life on drugs	15:06
pupnik_	there is a nice CA algorithm called 'rug'	15:07
RedSky	ok nvm the stuck/dead pixels on my n900's screen, could anyone tell me what's the best way to sync ogg/flac files to the n900? because songbird recodes them to wma	15:08
Andy80	is there anyone else that cannot make pixelpipe+twitpic work?	15:09
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RST38h	lcuk: I am sure you can cycle those colors faster qith liqbase!	15:12
RST38h	with	15:12
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xorAxAx	RedSky: scp	15:13
saltsa_	how I type the ø letter in N900?	15:13
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lcuk	RST38h, hell yeah!	15:13
saltsa_	ie. the letter which is found from the "ö" button	15:14
LuciusMare	saltsa_: /o/	15:14
Wolfie	is the maemo sdk gui installer supposed to be this buggy? the captcha-portion of the wizard is horrible	15:14
PBeck	RedSky: rsync or scp :>	15:14
PBeck	saltsa_: type first the blue arrow and then strg - then you get an onscreen keyboard with that symbol	15:15
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RedSky	yeah, how about an automatic way to sync those files?	15:15
frals	cron rsync? ;D	15:15
RedSky	i mean, including album art and such	15:15
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PBeck	RedSky: when you load a album from jamendo the album art is included in the dir - that will be synced too	15:16
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LuciusMare	lolwut	15:17
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PBeck	Redhttp://www.markspace.com/gogadget/index.html <= RedSky thats sounds good	15:17
LuciusMare	i accidentally unplugged my charging cable,plugged it in again,the led started randomly blinking, so i pulled it off, it showed full battery, then i put it in and showed not a half of it...	15:18
PBeck	but i think its only for a mac	15:18
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saltsa_	PBeck, strg?	15:18
slonopotamus	RedSky, scp? :)	15:18
slonopotamus	or usb cable and cp?	15:19
RedSky	PBeck: it only syncs from within itunes	15:19
PBeck	saltsa_: oh - german - ctrl ;)	15:19
PBeck	saltsa_: or sym	15:19
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saltsa_	PBeck, that onscreen-keyboard doesn't show that ø character :/	15:19
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RedSky	PBeck: and yeah, it only runs on a mac	15:19
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PBeck	RedSky: perhaps http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Wireless_Music_Sync_with_Amarok_1.4 RedSky perhaps that can be interesting too	15:20
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saltsa_	LuciusMare, you have idea how to get it?	15:21
PBeck	saltsa_: i seen in the right bottom corner - the last but one	15:21
saltsa_	just wondering that there must be some way to produce that char 'cause it's printed on the keyboard	15:21
RedSky	PBeck: i run windows :s	15:21
PBeck	saltsa_: it's printed on the keyboard?	15:21
RedSky	PBeck: is there a windows version of amarok?	15:22
RedSky	PBeck: nvm, there is	15:22
saltsa_	PBeck, jes. The key have "ö" at bottom left (normal press), "!" at upper right (blue arrow press) and the ø below the "!"	15:22
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PBeck	RedSky: yes	15:22
xorAxAx	does anyone know how i can find out whether the n900 is on battery?	15:23
RedSky	PBeck: through "KDE for Windows"... is there any way to make Songbird sync my flac/ogg files to the n900? i'm kinda attached to that app	15:23
saltsa_	PBeck, http://www.cs.hut.fi/~kirma/n900-nordic.jpg	15:23
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saltsa_	the key right from "L"	15:24
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bigbrovar	.	15:25
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PBeck	saltsa_: hum perhaps shift + ctrl + Ö?	15:25
PBeck	saltsa_: i haven't such a keyboard	15:25
PBeck	saltsa_: have you found anything in the instructions?	15:26
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saltsa_	PBeck, nothing works and i haven't the manual with me right now	15:26
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fen1x	hi all, i was thinking to buy the N900, but I have a question. Is it possible to use it in portrait mode? and i'm talking about the maeome interface and its basic features, like phone, address book etc..is it possible?	15:27
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frals	uh, just me or talk being reaaaaaaally slow atm?	15:28
PBeck	fen1x with the last update it's only possible in the browser	15:28
frals	fen1x: most builtin apps does NOT have portrait mode, so no	15:28
PBeck	fen1x: the phone app can be used in portrait too	15:28
saltsa_	PBeck, but well, I don't need it very often and used the copypaste :)	15:28
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fen1x	thanks. well, from your personal experience, is it convenient? doesn't it bother you sometimes, that most of the apps don't have portrait mode? as a phone, you would expect it to be easy to use with one hand as well..	15:29
PBeck	saltsa_: where you have bougth your device - country?	15:30
saltsa_	PBeck, finland and finnish layout is in use	15:30
frals	~curse t.m.o	15:30
infobot	May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, t.m.o !	15:30
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saltsa_	i needed that char only for one contact	15:30
PBeck	fen1x: i think it should be possible to use it in portrait - for example in the media player	15:30
frals	fen1x: only been annoyed once and that was trying to text with onehand in landscape, otherwise i havent really thought about it since i use it more as a computer than phone	15:31
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fen1x	how about walking, when you carry something in one hand?	15:32
RST38h	Mhm...51-1 broke transparency on that little sliding icon in FBReader	15:32
* pupnik_ smiles at vgba's fps counter		15:33
pupnik_	the UI for configuration is good.	15:34
pupnik_	did you see speedup with 51-1 RST38h ?	15:34
RST38h	nope	15:34
RST38h	was there a speedup?	15:34
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PBeck	saltsa_: i can' read finnish -.-	15:36
PBeck	't	15:36
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PBeck	saltsa_: and in the german manuel i think it'	15:36
PBeck	s not written	15:36
xorAxAx	PBeck: do you have a n900?	15:37
PBeck	xorAxAx: yes	15:37
xorAxAx	cool	15:37
xorAxAx	i can recommend qik, even though it isnt opensource	15:37
PBeck	xorAxAx: yes thats a nice application :)	15:38
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wazd_e63	Stskeeps: around?	15:44
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Stskeeps	wazd_e63: mm?	15:45
wazd_e63	Stskeeps: can you somehow share any marina deb now?	15:46
wazd_e63	Stskeeps: cause I have a small chance to see it myself)	15:46
Stskeeps	wazd_e63: ironically i am not at my desk :/	15:47
Stskeeps	but hmm, sec	15:48
wazd_e63	Stskeeps: ah, damn	15:48
villager	saltsa_: that ø is probably only if you go into settings and choose that you want to type danish or norwegian	15:48
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villager	especially if they use the same keyboard for all the nordic countries	15:49
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lopz	hi	15:50
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pupnik_	can you get ip for hatari.berlios.de? t-online.de DNS is not showing	15:54
villager	195.37.77.138	15:55
pupnik_	ty	15:57
lcuk	pupnik_, write an rfc for dns over irc	15:57
pupnik_	i'm giving them a call. this is not acceptable	15:57
frals	lol lcuk	15:58
frals	~curse talk.maemo.org for timing out	15:58
infobot	May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, talk.maemo.org for timing out !	15:58
felipec	X-Fade: if you get to update the interface can you let me know?	15:59
felipec	so that I propose msn-pecan for extras-testing	15:59
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Luser	pupnik_, I'm at t online and it works	16:01
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pupnik_	see...	16:05
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Stskeeps	wazd_e63: didnt update wallpaper but one of your templates. http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/hildon-theme-mermantle_3.2_all.deb	16:07
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Stskeeps	wazd_e63: hope it works	16:08
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xorAxAx	Stskeeps: is it mermantle or marina?	16:09
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chem\|st	now that maemo.org is fast talk. isnt loading that fast any more... grml	16:10
Stskeeps	xorAxAx: i havent changed name in mer yet due to lazyness	16:10
trem	little question, mameo will support mms soon ?	16:11
xorAxAx	trem: it does already	16:13
lcuk	trem, it has an implementation in progress. maemo community ftw!	16:13
trem	xorAxAx: so the N900 can do mms now ?	16:13
frals	fmms 0.1.11-1 has been queued for loading into fremantle extras-devel repository \o/	16:13
wazd_e63	Stskeeps: wow! 10 mb?)	16:13
Stskeeps	wazd_e63: themes are bloody huge	16:15
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wazd_e63	Stskeeps: well, thanks anyway :)	16:16
Stskeeps	warning, not optified	16:16
xorAxAx	trem: yes, ask frals	16:16
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wazd_e63	Stskeeps: nah, too expensive for me)	16:17
frals	it can do mms, but its not really stable yet :P	16:17
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Stskeeps	wazd_e63: k	16:17
Luser	is there a known problem on n800 where the wireless driver gets stucks. For me, I can make it live again when pinging from the n800 to the outside. it happens nearly everytime. wpa2.	16:18
trem	frals: N900 can do mms now ?	16:18
frals	trem: [15:17:14] <frals> it can do mms, but its not really stable yet :P	16:18
Stskeeps	Luser:	16:18
Stskeeps	~wifi-psm	16:18
trem	frals: sorry, I'm missed this line	16:18
infobot	well, wifi-psm is http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM)	16:18
trem	great :)	16:19
Luser	Stskeeps, ok I'll try this again. thanks.	16:19
slonopotamus	...	16:19
Stskeeps	Luser: read that page, it explains it	16:19
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Luser	Stskeeps, bingo. Have to add my router to the list. Speedport w 500v. Thanks. Hope it solves my upnp problems.	16:32
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Stskeeps	Luser: btw, the symptoms you mention are typical on all psm	16:36
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Stskeeps	if you ping -to- the n800, it will often not respond	16:36
Stskeeps	from will work	16:36
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Stskeeps	its an artefact of the power saving	16:37
lardman\|home	anyone know about optification?	16:38
Luser	Stskeeps, yes, it's 100% sure. I rebooted with psm, wait 1minute. connect to the ssh server, login takes about 30s. Rebooted, disabled psm and it's now very quick. so the n800 has been unused for months because of this.. pity. I will search if there's an update on the router (gpl inside)	16:38
Stskeeps	Luser: ok. did you read the description of psm?	16:38
Stskeeps	Luser: psm means the device will poll for new data when it makes sense	16:39
Stskeeps	which means outside connections often wont make it in	16:39
Stskeeps	it is very effective power sacing	16:39
lardman\|home	re optification, am I better to allow Octave to be auto-optified (what will this actually do) or to do ./configure --prefix=/opt/octave/ and then symlink the binary and change LD_LIBRARY_PATH?	16:40
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pupnik_	it is easy to run a ping if you want to force connection on	16:40
Luser	Stskeeps, humm. "when it makes sense". so it's a bit flawed.. well, even in the application manager it sometimes lagged, probably waiting for an ack then. usually from maemo.org repo..	16:41
lardman\|home	or should that be /opt/maemo in which case is /opt/maemo/bin placed in the path and /opt/maemo/lib in the library path?	16:41
Luser	yes, my solution was a constant ping but.. not very nice..	16:41
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Stskeeps	Luser: maemo.org repo is another can of worms	16:41
Luser	anyway this t online router is not good.	16:42
Stskeeps	Luser: but not being able to ssh to your device on psm when its idle is normal	16:42
Luser	Stskeeps, yes, problem it was still not so good when i received my n800, 2 years ago. I see nothing it still is a bit the same..	16:42
Luser	ok thanks, I have to leave	16:43
pupnik_	i am also curious about lardman's question	16:43
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ivan4th	what is /system/warranty gconf key that appeared in PR1.1 and why does it contain 'invalid'?	16:44
ivan4th	gconftool-2 -g /system/warranty	16:44
ivan4th	this worries me	16:44
maxxle	Hello! I wrote a little python application and want to add a application-icon to the menu. Where do I have to put the XY.desktop file on the device?	16:44
pupnik_	i would prefer if builder optified for me	16:44
lardman\|home	maxxle: iirc /usr/share/applications/hildon/ but check that it's there	16:45
X-Fade	pupnik_: auto option will do that, iirc.	16:45
lardman\|home	pupnik_: that would be fine if the paths are simply added	16:45
maxxle	lardman\|home: this looks good! And where do i have to put the D-BUs-Service file?	16:46
lardman\|home	I wonder if debian/files can also contain directories	16:46
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Stskeeps	X-Fade: i couldnt get debian/optify with 'auto' to work, which was a bit weird	16:46
lardman\|home	/usr/share/dbus-1/services ?	16:46
X-Fade	Stskeeps: http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify/blobs/master/README	16:47
Stskeeps	X-Fade: on autobuilder	16:47
X-Fade	Stskeeps: Checked that?	16:47
Stskeeps	yes	16:47
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X-Fade	Stskeeps: So you created the debian/optify file containing the word auto?	16:47
Stskeeps	X-Fade: right	16:48
X-Fade	Stskeeps: Did you try setting optify as build-depends?	16:48
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Stskeeps	X-Fade: hmm, guess not - thought autobuilder ran it as a post step when debian/optify	16:48
Jaffa	lardman\|home: If you using maemo-optify-deb (i.e. auto-optification), it'll go into /opt/maemo/usr/bin/octave, /opt/maemo/usr/share/... and /opt/maemo/usr/lib/...; with symlinks into the corresponding dirs under /	16:49
X-Fade	Stskeeps: I have not kept up with that discussion. I was working on other things.	16:49
lardman\|home	Jaffa: why symlinks and not path addition?	16:49
Jaffa	lardman\|home: I do manual optification for all my homegrown apps, under /opt/<package>; but for a port, I use auto-optification and not worry about it	16:49
X-Fade	Stskeeps: But there must be packages using auto already?	16:49
Stskeeps	X-Fade: maemo-org tries	16:49
Jaffa	lardman\|home: Because as far as the app is aware, it can still access everything under /, rather than /opt/maemo	16:50
Stskeeps	but didnt show up as optified	16:50
lardman\|home	Jaffa: Octave contains many many .m script files, can I auto-optify the whole directory they live in rather than symlinking each one?	16:50
Jaffa	Stskeeps: If there's any /opt entry already, "auto" mode does nothing	16:50
X-Fade	lardman\|home: afaik, dirs are not symlinked.	16:50
Jaffa	lardman\|home: It'll do a dir if it's the name of the package IIRC	16:50
Stskeeps	Jaffa: no /opt nor maemo-optify build dep	16:50
X-Fade	lardman\|home: Creates loops etc.	16:50
lardman\|home	hmm, this will be painful then	16:50
Jaffa	lardman\|home: Why is the script symlinking each one painful for you?	16:51
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Stskeeps	is there like an information page on how to optify in practice for maemo.org builder?	16:51
lardman\|home	so I would be better to optify manually then and create my own symlinks for the binary and libs	16:51
X-Fade	Stskeeps: I think there is wiki page.	16:51
lardman\|home	Jaffa: not for me, but it will take a long while to create all the links	16:51
X-Fade	Stskeeps: But as said, I really haven't touched this.	16:51
Stskeeps	X-Fade: yeah.. good job on the server move :)	16:52
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Jaffa	There's http://wiki.maemo.org/Opt_Problem IIRC, but I've not really read it	16:54
lardman\|home	does anyone know off the top of their heads how the optification heuristic works?	16:55
X-Fade	Stskeeps: Not done yet, but starting to look ok.	16:55
lardman\|home	is it per-file size?	16:55
lardman\|home	e.g. I have ~1k scripts totalling 4MB	16:56
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lardman\|home	would that get auto-optified?	16:56
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lcukx200_	lardman\|home, in your case, optifying the whole folder owuld be beneficial if you can do it from the package side	17:01
lcukx200_	automatically install directly to /opt	17:01
lcukx200_	and add a single symlink	17:01
lcukx200_	if you are in control of it it will be simplest for your thinking	17:01
lardman\|home	surely easier to just install everything to /opt/octave/ then make symlinks for the binary and libs?	17:02
* lcukx200_ is looking at similar things atm		17:02
lcukx200_	yes	17:02
lardman\|home	is just a pita	17:02
* lcukx200_ nods		17:02
lardman\|home	modifying path would be easier for most packages I imagine	17:02
* frals just installs everything to /opt/fmms and skips the symlink		17:02
gevaerts	is tmo slow for anyone else?	17:02
lcukx200_	lardman, it depends on how app is put together	17:02
lardman\|home	frals: how do you run things?	17:03
lardman\|home	frals: not in the path, so directly from the .desktop file?	17:03
frals	yeah	17:03
lardman\|home	frals: no libs?	17:03
frals	only depends on libs in pythons path	17:03
frals	which is why its so easy for me i guess	17:03
lardman\|home	I guess I could create a script wrapper to modify LD_LIBRARY_PATH	17:03
lardman\|home	but then again Octave has no GUI, so people will need to be able to run it from the term, so that's out :(	17:04
lcukx200_	just a symlink from exe to your /opt subdir	17:04
lardman\|home	needs libraries too	17:04
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lcukx200_	those too! but i thought you were only thinking about its data at first	17:05
lardman\|home	I was wondering what would be easiest	17:05
lardman\|home	and require the least hacking around of the build scripts	17:05
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X-Fade	Oh crap.	17:08
villager	lardman\|home: setting rpath is probably cleaner than making wrappers	17:08
lardman\|home	what's rpath?	17:09
* lardman\|home only has vague ideas about it		17:09
villager	a compiled-in library search path	17:09
lardman\|home	ah I see	17:09
lcuk	X-Fade, that sounds a bit worrysome	17:09
X-Fade	It is.	17:09
lcuk	:(	17:10
lardman\|home	villager: that sounds useful	17:10
lcuk	run out of coffee?	17:10
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villager	lardman\|home: not usually trivial to set though	17:10
* frals ponders if the "Oh crap" has anything to do with build list not updating on maemo.org/packages		17:10
X-Fade	No, storage on one of the new boxes just hangs. Not sure if it is fiber or network connected, but it is blocking.	17:10
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X-Fade	Affects garage and repository.	17:11
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lardman\|home	villager: as I need to symlink the binary anyway, I'll have a go symlinking the libs too	17:11
lardman\|home	only 3 of them iirc	17:11
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gevaerts	xorAxAx: isn't that what it's normally used for? ;)	17:16
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wazd_e63	Well, that was awesome)	17:20
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wazd_e63	Mini maemo summit)	17:20
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RST38h	wazd: Was that abbra visiting?	17:21
wazd_e63	RsT38h: well, me and Vlad were picking ddp devices here	17:22
thresh	i thought ab is back in .fi :)	17:22
wazd_e63	Rst38h: and bought used n800 from gLobster	17:23
wazd_e63	Rst38h: abbra?)	17:23
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RST38h	wazd: Oh you finally picked a DDP device?	17:25
* RST38h expects themes =)		17:25
wazd_e63	Well, not for myself)	17:25
wazd_e63	But you can still expect themes)	17:25
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wazd_e63	Reconnect	17:27
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\|R_	Isn't there a category for filling bugs for OVI store apps?	17:28
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\|R	backgammon needs a bug report, it crashes and makes stones disapear :P	17:28
RST38h	True	17:29
RST38h	First makes stones disappear, THEN crashes	17:29
RST38h	+ some UI elements get stuck when touched	17:30
\|R	well even once at the end of the game it crashed without magic stone tricks hehe	17:30
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Jef91	Gah, the maemo repositories are so crappy.	17:30
\|R	But where would i fill this bug, in extras / games I don't seem t be able to create a new category for it	17:30
slonopotamus	Jef91, :)	17:31
torindel	doh	17:31
Jef91	Every time I try to apt-get update, something fails.	17:32
Jef91	Its beyond annoying	17:32
torindel	maemo.org/extras devel/extras testing repos dont work for me	17:32
torindel	:<	17:32
Jef91	torindel - I just ran update from terminal now, checking which repos fail	17:32
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Jef91	I wanted to install fmms this morning :-/	17:33
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\|R	https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?classification=Extras <- can anyone create "products" for all the ovi apps here?	17:33
lcuk	everyone that manages to install fmms, find out frals phone number and send him a thank you mms	17:33
torindel	Jef91: you're saying that from console apt-get it works not from gui thingy?	17:33
frals	lol lcuk	17:33
Jef91	torindel - trying it now.	17:33
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lcuk	frals, i want to see a gallery - seriously now, the more i think of it, the cooler it would be :D	17:34
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adalal	anyone know what's up with the appliction manager?	17:34
frals	if i had a spare device id get a pay as you go sim and set it up	17:34
Asger	lol :)	17:34
adalal	it's being very weird	17:34
frals	as much as trust this community i rather not have my personal cellnumber floating around that much ;)	17:34
torindel	adalal: assuming its appliction manager and not repos themselfes	17:35
xorAxAx	\|R: and who would read the bug reports?	17:35
torindel	-e	17:35
lcuk	frals, understood :D let us know when you do get a spare sim sorted tho	17:35
* gevaerts suspects that X-Fade's latest remarks explain the repository issues right now		17:35
Jef91	gevaerts What remark was that, I just got here	17:35
\|R	xorAxAx: well, those who make them hopefully...	17:35
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gevaerts	< X-Fade> No, storage on one of the new boxes just hangs. Not sure if it is fiber or network connected, but it is blocking.	17:36
xorAxAx	\|R: lol	17:36
gevaerts	< X-Fade> Affects garage and repository.	17:36
\|R	xorAxAx: one centralised place to receive specific critic might help them :)	17:36
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adalal	torindel: is there a way to confirm that?	17:36
lardman\|home	if I do something like this: for file in /opt/octave/bin/octave* ; do	17:36
\|R	but ok then, i'll go rant on their home page ;)	17:36
lardman\|home	will ${file} contain the whole path?	17:36
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lcuk	frals, ontop of everything else, once you have an mms from everywhere in the world, you know the database is complete	17:36
lcuk	before then, its just idle banter lol	17:36
torindel	adalal: lets wait for Jef91 to try apt-get from console	17:36
frals	lcuk: haha	17:36
* lcuk prepares to break his device		17:37
Jef91	Apt-get from terminal appears to fail as well heh	17:37
torindel	adalal: altroo yesterday it worked fine for me, when some ppl started complaining about non-working application-manager	17:37
Jef91	lcuk - reflashing is easy ;)	17:38
adalal	torindel: i'll try apt-get update from console as well i suppose	17:38
Jef91	I can reflash with out the wiki page now I've bricked my phone so many times	17:38
lcuk	does reflashing fix /opt	17:38
lcuk	or do the contents remain	17:38
Jef91	lcuk - define fix /opy	17:38
torindel	Jef91: xD	17:38
lcuk	empty it	17:38
Jef91	/opt*	17:38
lcuk	clear it out	17:38
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lcuk	reset it	17:38
Jef91	lcuk - only if you reflash the eMMC	17:39
lcuk	neutralize	17:39
Jef91	which wipes out all user data	17:39
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lcuk	exterminate	17:39
Jef91	and defaults the device	17:39
lcuk	so i would have problems if i did a clone to mmc	17:39
gevaerts	mkfs.ext3 is on the root filesystem, so fixing /opt is easy :)	17:39
lcuk	because the clone would be trying to use the /opt	17:39
torindel	lcuk: you can always install sudo gainroot thingy, umount it, mkfs on it, mount it back	17:39
lcuk	that the main system uses too	17:39
Jef91	gevaerts isn't it mkfs.ext2 -j ?	17:39
torindel	Jef91: thats same as mkfs.ext3 ;]	17:40
gevaerts	Jef91: is there a real difference?	17:40
torindel	gevaerts: nope	17:40
lcuk	right Jef91	17:40
gevaerts	It also has mkfs.ext4 if you prefer :)	17:40
lcuk	so if i reflash i wont fix it	17:40
lcuk	since im doing something with /opt	17:40
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* lcuk looks skyward		17:41
Jef91	o really?	17:41
Jef91	supports ext4 now?	17:41
lcuk	well if /opt remains	17:41
lcuk	and i reflash	17:41
lcuk	and reflash and reflash	17:41
lcuk	it wont be reset so will become bloated	17:41
gevaerts	Jef91: I wouldn't use ext4 on 2.6.28, but you can try I guess	17:41
lcuk	with stuff from previous incarnations	17:41
adalal	torindel: the repostiories are out! argh	17:42
gevaerts	I suspect that mkfs.ext4 is mainly there because you get that if you build e2fsprogs	17:42
gevaerts	adalal: surely that's better than things not working because your phone is broken?	17:43
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* gevaerts wants more angry birds levels		17:44
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slonopotamus	gevaerts, got 3 stars on all? :)	17:46
Jef91	apt-get update is still running /sigh	17:46
lardman\|home	does this look reasonable as a postinst script?: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m71bbca03	17:46
gevaerts	slonopotamus: yes, all three worlds :)	17:46
torindel	Jef91: did it manage to connect to repos? xD	17:47
lardman\|home	and the accompanying prerm script: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m1a2c571	17:47
adalal	gevaerts: yes, but it's annoying nonetheless	17:47
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Jef91	torindel - it hasen't told me any of them failed to connect yet...	17:47
torindel	Jef91: well for me i got to wait about 2mins till application manager tells me that it failed to connect to all 3 -__-	17:48
Macer	anybody know how much it costs to mail a letter? I have $0.37 stamps	17:48
RST38h	http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/13/nokias-maemo-ovi-store-looking-rickety-beta-label-well-deser/	17:48
RST38h	Wonderful	17:48
Macer	it goes up every other week so i don't even know how much it costs to mail a letter heh	17:48
adalal	Jef91: i tried pinging the repository.maemo.org	17:48
RST38h	Nobody thought of having to distribute paid stuff via open repos? :)	17:48
Macer	RST38h: like the android market?	17:48
Macer	heh	17:48
xorAxAx	Stskeeps: whats the ETA of marina in the repos?	17:48
Macer	oh do they mean the actual store? :)	17:49
Macer	i guess the actual market app isn't too bad	17:49
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xorAxAx	RST38h: but they are hidden!111eleven	17:49
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adalal	Macer: it costs 36p i think to post first class envelope	17:50
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Macer	heh	17:51
Macer	in the US?	17:51
Macer	i think it's 42 cents	17:51
gevaerts	Macer: you didn't specify that!	17:51
Macer	i figured the $ kind of gave it away ;)	17:51
adalal	ah	17:51
adalal	lol	17:51
Macer	it's ok though. i'll just put 2 37 cent stamps on it	17:51
Macer	if it costs more than that.. then fuck the usps	17:52
Macer	haha	17:52
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lardman\|home	when gcc links, the order of the object files is important isn't it? Should a fn provider static lib be located before an object file that uses said fn?	17:58
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xorAxAx	lardman\|home: i think its only important when there multiple objects that define a certain name	18:10
pierlux_	frak, isn repository.maemo.org down?	18:10
xorAxAx	symbol that is	18:10
villager	lardman\|home: after I think	18:10
lardman\|home	yeah, that's what I think too	18:11
villager	lardman\|home: gcc keeps a list of undefined symbols and pulls them in from any lib defining them as it moves along the list of libraries	18:11
torindel	lardman\|home: it shouldnt be important	18:11
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villager	or rather ld	18:11
lardman\|home	though trying to find the particular Makefile to modify in lapack is quite hard	18:11
torindel	lardman\|home: unless you use -Wl,--as-needed in LDFLAGS	18:12
torindel	but thats due to bugs in ld	18:12
pierlux_	is anyone able to download this file: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/r/recorder/recorder_0.3.4_armel.deb	18:12
lardman\|home	http://maemo.pastebin.com/m2a3040e5	18:12
X-Fade	pierlux_: We're having a problem at the origin server for the repository.	18:13
Guest21975	pierlux: nope, is there another server move going on?	18:13
lardman\|home	so I'm guessing I need the libf2c.a at the end	18:13
Jef91	Bleh, super annoying the repos are down again. Guess I actually go do my Linear Algebra homework instead of playing with fMMS	18:13
pierlux_	X-Fade, just the one day I really needed to download apps ;-) no body has got access to the files? I don't have my laptop with to generate a package from source	18:13
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frals	Jef91: i'd tell you where to get the latest deb, but i know how fun linear algebra is so... ;-)	18:16
Jef91	frals - I cannot get repository.maemo.org to open either...	18:17
frals	Jef91: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=1210&release_id=3126 (worksforme)	18:17
Jef91	frals i need fapn as well - is it on the garage?	18:17
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arachnist	hi	18:18
frals	negative, ill see if i can mirror the latest deb somewhere	18:18
arachnist	is it just me, or did "repositories.maemo.org" repo broke a few minutes ago?	18:18
arachnist	(extras-devel)	18:18
frals	Jef91: http://mms.frals.se/fapn_0.5-1_all.deb	18:18
mkargar	arachnist:hi	18:18
Jef91	your the best frals :)	18:19
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pierlux_	arachnist, yes it doesn't work for me either	18:20
* torindel yawns at arachnist		18:20
* arachnist yawns at thuttu77		18:20
* arachnist yawns at torindel		18:21
arachnist	sorry, tabfail	18:21
pierlux_	whois tabfail lol	18:21
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mkargar	frals:mms work since of installed fapn on n900?	18:23
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frals	uh, fMMS is the package that enables mms send & receive, but it's very much alpha and might kill your device or other bad stuff :)	18:24
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xorAxAx	frals: how does it hook into maemo for mms receive?	18:24
uhsf	I may look later today to order a Nokia N900. It is much pricier than I can afford and I'm trying to rationalize this purchase telling myself I have not bought any electronic device in a long time and that there is no other item available right now that is interesting to me. Nothing exciting has come out of the CES except maybe Intel CPUs but a new PC will have to wait until summer when I get more money and USB3, SATA3 and SSDs are more	18:25
frals	xorAxAx: wappushd	18:25
Jef91	frals - I need python-conic for fMMS, what package is that in?	18:25
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frals	Jef91: its in python-conic... in the repos :P	18:25
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Jef91	uhsf - honestly the N900 isn't any more costly than most other high end smart phones	18:26
Jef91	frals face plam	18:26
DangerMaus	uhsf, i just said to myself its not a phone its a pocket puter that has a phone app	18:26
Jef91	DangerMaus - thats cheaper than the iPhone :P	18:26
Jef91	And faster...	18:26
DangerMaus	and i just didnt build a new gaming box	18:26
Jef91	And more storage...	18:26
DangerMaus	yepyep	18:27
Jef91	and much better screen	18:27
Jef91	both my brothers have iPhails and the 800x480 screen is sooo nice in comparison	18:27
DangerMaus	thats all i could come up with on dec1 when i realized nokia had them in stock	18:27
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DangerMaus	Jef91, me mum just got an iphone without a data pkg... dont ask me how might have to do with the senior plan	18:29
DangerMaus	just using it as a phone	18:29
Jef91	Heh, my younger brother did that for a long time.	18:29
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Jef91	Theres Wifi everywhere...	18:29
DangerMaus	yep	18:29
Jef91	(Plus Data plans on AT&T are stupid expensive)	18:29
Jef91	AT&T wanted 60$/month for a tether data plan on my N900	18:30
Jef91	I told them to kindly stick it where the sun doesn't shine	18:30
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DangerMaus	i find the 900 to be the best war driving device it locks to any open wifi	18:30
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Jef91	DangerMaus - fact.	18:31
homeasvs__	if you provide a repo, how should users install your gpg key	18:31
homeasvs__	?\	18:31
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* DangerMaus did tmobile theytaged the acct as a smart phone and no issues got the full 3.5g in chicago and sporatic 3.5 where i live more popping up everyday		18:31
Jef91	That reminds me - I need to look into setting up AirSnort on the n900	18:31
Jef91	DangerMaus - you live near Chicago? I'm on the south side thehehe	18:32
xorAxAx	DangerMaus: with which app are you wardriving?	18:32
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sp3000	I guess I need someone with a talk account	18:32
sp3000	is https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7997#c2 anchor navigation, as opposed to loading a new page?	18:32
povbot`	Bug 7997: Browser retains zoom status in followed links	18:32
DangerMaus	dont need to look for things to lockon to it just dose	18:32
KenYoung	Does anyone know if the maemo server reconfiguration has completed?	18:33
sp3000	or, I imagine it may be anchor nav and page nav depending on the case, even	18:33
DangerMaus	Jef91, i live in milwaukee my rents live on the north side	18:33
Jef91	DangerMaus, ahh very good. I get 3.5 in most places round where I live	18:33
Jef91	Although its really not that fast... only 100kb/sec download	18:34
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Jef91	Anyone know off hand what libc6 version debia etch uses?	18:34
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DangerMaus	though on the little panel at the top of screen hit network it'll list all the available networks	18:34
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Luser	homeasvs, using apt-key	18:34
homeasvs	Luser, there is no non-command-line way to do it ?	18:35
inz	Jef91, http://packages.debian.org/etch/libc6	18:35
DangerMaus	Jef91, that sounds more like the 3g	18:35
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lo__	regarding the problem of repository.maemo.org, I've found that adding Acquire::http::Retries "3"; and Acquire::http::timeout "10"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf/20timeout helps	18:36
Jef91	hrm, phone said 3.5 xD - at any rate I will give the iPhone this - my brother gets around 270kb/sec download with it	18:36
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DangerMaus	test wise it says im getting 941kb/s / 351kb/s	18:39
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Jef91	Like via speed test?	18:40
Jef91	Because if so that translates to 100kb/sec download	18:40
DangerMaus	heh	18:41
DangerMaus	should be quicker	18:41
lo__	anyone knows a _reliable_ upnp server to stream music under linux or windows?	18:43
DangerMaus	then like 1500kb/s wifi	18:43
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KenYoung	Is there anyone online who is familiar with thr process for registering ssh public keys for a maemo garage account?	18:43
DangerMaus	but that is mucked up atm	18:43
anidel	any Canadian over here?	18:44
akashihi	anyone knows, why repository.maemo.org is unavailable and when it is expected to get online?	18:45
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Jef91	akashihi it is offline cause Nokia blows	18:46
Jef91	Its expected back online sometime after the 14th coming of Christ ;)	18:46
type_t	<lo__> http://mirrors.nic.funet.fi/pub/OpenBSD/songs/	18:46
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akashihi	Jef91: oh, long time to wait :-)	18:47
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lo__	type_t, yes not bad :)	18:49
Kamui	is xchat hildonized?	18:49
Kamui	i think i might have an old version vs the ver on maemo.org	18:50
Kamui	front page	18:50
ShadowJK_	not very	18:50
torindel	Kamui: why not ssh+screen+irssi? ;]	18:51
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troff76	is repository.maemo down, or have i broken my phone?	18:52
arachnist	troff76: it seems so	18:52
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KenYoung	troff76, It seems like a lot of the maemo servers are messed up.	18:52
__ibz	any mutt users available?	18:53
troff76	and i am not allowed to login to talk.maemo.org	18:54
Stskeeps	KenYoung, troff76: server move still in progress	18:54
troff76	i see	18:54
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RST38h	troff76: You have been naughty.	18:54
KenYoung	Stskeeps, Any estimates availbalbe for when the move will be completed?	18:54
RST38h	troff76: That is the punishment for your sins.	18:54
troff76	naughty? how?	18:54
RST38h	troff76: REPENT!	18:55
KenYoung	Stskeeps, Do you know if a notice will be posted somewhere when the move is complete?	18:55
Stskeeps	KenYoung: DNS is a horrible thing so within 72 hours after yesterday	18:55
Stskeeps	also akamai was messing with .gz files (bad for apt)	18:56
KenYoung	Stskeeps, OK, thanks for the info!.	18:56
Stskeeps	follow #maemork on qaiku and the server move thread on talk	18:56
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adalal	is it just me that can't access the maemo rep?	19:00
RST38h	You have also been naughty.	19:00
RST38h	You should read the N900 user manual cover to cover, three times in a row.	19:01
arachnist	hmm	19:01
cb22	RST38h, even the parts in french?	19:01
arachnist	apt-get dist-upgrade seems to take quite a bit time	19:01
Kamui	torindel: personally i like xchat more.	19:01
RST38h	cb22: Correct.	19:01
cb22	thought so	19:01
arachnist	(on the N900)	19:01
cb22	explains why i havent had any problems	19:01
* SpeedEvil found his BT headphones after ages.		19:03
SpeedEvil	And finds they are fucked - as the battery is flat.	19:03
* SpeedEvil hates li-ion in some ways.		19:03
* adalal likes lions though :P		19:03
adalal	but, anyone having problems with the repositories at the moment?	19:04
Stskeeps	adalal: server move still in progress	19:04
Stskeeps	KenYoung: DNS is a horrible thing so within 72 hours after yesterday	19:04
Stskeeps	er, adalal	19:04
Stskeeps	follow #maemork on qaiku and the server move thread on talk	19:04
cb22	SpeedEvil, grab some generic li-ions and cram them in there?	19:04
adalal	ah okay thanks	19:04
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cb22	although with something like bluetooth headphones, i wouldnt want them exploiding...	19:05
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lo__	Don't know for the n900 but at least for the n8x0 apt is using the default timeout/retry and that makes the app manager hang badly, you can lower them : http://pastebin.com/m34404c5	19:05
sp3000	hmm, I need a bug comment containing a "bug nnn comment ccc" link	19:06
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dev	lo__: what's your definition of _reliable_? -> coherence-project.org, runs even on the tablet	19:14
angasule	hmm, gpe calendar seems to have a huge bug	19:14
lcukx200_	Stskeeps, ping	19:15
angasule	aah, no, scratch that, maemo has a huge bug :)	19:15
zeev	Hi, its already a week that I try to move my contacts from my old phone to N900 via bluetooth, the problem that I face: "not enough space". I assume that my old phone reports wrong file size. Is there a way to deactivate file size check on bluetooth?	19:15
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lo__	dev, I had problems with ushare. coherence I tried but didnt really get it how it was working :) thanks I'll recheck	19:17
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angasule	hmm, alright, yes, it's gpe calendar, it's ignoring LC_MESSAGES	19:21
angasule	so the friggin' interface is in Spanish :(	19:21
SpeedEvil	cb22: possibly.	19:21
SpeedEvil	cb22: or 1*18650 on each side for balance.	19:22
zeev	is it possible at all to deactivate file size check in bluetooth?	19:22
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PBeck	hum my ogg files will not be shown in the mediaplayer?	19:25
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ShadowJK_	did you install ogg-support?	19:25
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barfoos	anyone using openvpn? the applet doesn't ask me for the password of my p12 file. using test throws "password can not be verified". on the console it works perfectly. any ideas maybe?	19:26
PBeck	yes, i can play the files through the filemanager	19:26
ShadowJK_	:/	19:26
lcukx200_	can i optify /usr/bin or /usr/lib	19:27
lcukx200_	or rather, if i do, will bad things happen	19:28
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kulve	PBeck: it can take some time for them to appear is Media Player because Tracker must first find and index them	19:28
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PBeck	kulve: i have started tracker manually but it do not work	19:28
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zeev	any ideas?	19:32
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zeev	is my assumption correct?	19:35
torindel	zeev: probably yes	19:35
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torindel	unless thats closed source part and dont have option to at all ;p	19:35
zeev	so is there a way to deactivate file size check?	19:35
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zeev	bluetooth part in N900 is closed source??	19:36
greenfly	afaik they use bluez like any other distro	19:38
redeeman	it uses bluez	19:40
zeev	so is there an option to deactivate file size check on recieving?	19:40
redeeman	hmm don't know	19:40
Mozillion	repository.maemo.org still unresolvable?	19:40
redeeman	that is not part of bluez	19:40
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adalal	same	19:40
zeev	redeeman: but of what? what checks the size of the file recieved via bluetooth?	19:41
adalal	Mozillion: i think it's cuz of the DNS propagation time.. it can take up to 72 hours looking up at the root-server records	19:41
redeeman	zeev: whichever app they have listening to the dbus events from bluez, don't know which it is	19:41
redeeman	resolves to 80.248.164.237 here	19:42
zeev	file manager?	19:42
redeeman	zeev: i do not know what is listening to it and providing the dialog	19:42
zeev	I assume its file manager	19:42
zeev	is there an option to deactivate file size checking?	19:42
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adalal	80.248.164.237 here as well.... seems that's an old record?	19:43
adalal	redeeman: can you ping the server? or connect to it	19:43
redeeman	can not connect	19:43
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adalal	dns propagation will take a while...	19:44
zeev	Any idea how to deactivate file size check in file manager (for copying to a location)?	19:45
mtnbkr	someone should have lowered the TTLs long before the move... Would have mitigated slow "dns propogation" issues when the servers were moved	19:45
mtnbkr	s/someone/domain owner/	19:45
infobot	mtnbkr meant: domain owner should have lowered the TTLs long before the move... Would have mitigated slow "dns propogation" issues when the servers were moved	19:45
adalal	is there a manual way to lower them after?	19:46
adalal	or request to lower them	19:46
ShadowJK_	Sure, but it still takes the old TTL time to propagate the new TTL... so no	19:46
mtnbkr	adalal: won't matter. if TTL for a host is 7 days, and your ISP's dns server (or your own) will have cahced the 7 day TTL and will keep handing you that IP until the 7 days are up...	19:46
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adalal	mtnbkr: unless the dns server admin updates it right? i have my own dns server at home	19:47
RST38h	wazd: Around?	19:47
mtnbkr	so, someone should have lowered the TTLs to an hour or less at least 7 days prior to the move (if the TTL was 7 days... I am just using that as an example)	19:47
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woglinde_	hm can someone test https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/imlib2/	19:48
woglinde_	if the url works	19:48
woglinde_	moo rst	19:48
adalal	well, i suppose i can update my own records right? if i have my own dns server... mtnbkr	19:48
RST38h	hey awoglinde	19:48
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adalal	woglinde_: what ip does that resolve to?	19:48
mtnbkr	adalal: or, if you know the new ip, you can add it to your hosts file.	19:48
woglinde_	rst is the icon in xchat debin/control file working?	19:48
odin_	are the USB port(s) of the device provided by CPU on-chip support ? how many native independant ports does it have?	19:49
adalal	mtnbkr: might as well update it on my dns server...	19:49
woglinde_	adalal is garage	19:49
woglinde_	other grarage sites are working	19:49
adalal	woglinde_: not working for me	19:49
zeev	how do I check options of the File Manager what is its command line name?	19:49
ShadowJK_	heh, ns.nokia.com is returning NXDOMAIN	19:50
adalal	woglinde_: im supposing that either mine, or the google servers doesn't have the updated records	19:50
woglinde_	here it hangs	19:50
Mozillion	ShadowJK_: yes, still!	19:50
odin_	ShadowJK_, ns.nokia.com not for me status: NOERROR, ns.nokia.com. 86400 IN A 131.228.20.19	19:50
adalal	woglinde_: can u send me the IP address the garage site goes to?	19:50
mtnbkr	ShadowJK_: it resolves to 131.228.20.19 here.	19:50
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ShadowJK_	I mean I queried ns.nokia.com for repository.maemo.org., and the nokia nameserver said NXDOMAIN	19:51
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RST38h	woglinde: yes, why shouldn't it?	19:51
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mtnbkr	ShadowJK_: oh gotcha!	19:51
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adalal	i can't even ping ns.nokia.com	19:51
Mozillion	so if the NS servers are not saying it correctly, how can it ever propagate	19:51
Mozillion	adalal: nah.. that is anti-DoS.. refusing pings	19:52
Mozillion	probably	19:52
mtnbkr	reminds me of a favorite saying of mine: Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance	19:52
woglinde_	RST38h hm I think its the small one as in diablo	19:52
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lcukx200_	wheres the tutorial flash thingy stored?	19:52
smps	there is no dns record for repository.maemo.org	19:52
woglinde_	and fremantle should have 45x45 or so	19:52
RST38h	woglinde: Oh, you want a bigger icon...	19:52
woglinde_	no	19:52
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woglinde_	I only asking	19:52
adalal	ok.. yeah it is .. BUT	19:52
adalal	; <<>> DiG 9.6.1-P2 <<>> -x repository.maemo.org @ns.nokia.com	19:52
adalal	;; global options: +cmd	19:52
adalal	;; Got answer:	19:52
adalal	;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 7817	19:52
adalal	;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0	19:52
adalal	;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available	19:52
lcukx200_	i noticed that some places accept big icons	19:53
angasule	greap, gpe calendar doesn't have a working bugzilla	19:53
lcukx200_	and others dont	19:53
* RST38h wonders what makes people ping repositories long after these people have been told that repositories are down		19:53
* lcukx200_ should file this after work		19:53
RST38h	Why not wait until the morning?	19:53
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lcukx200_	RST38h, "did you hear RANDOMDOMAIN is under DOS attack?" "really? f5f5f5f5f5 yeah you are right..."	19:54
adalal	RST38h: the repositories are supposed to be up by now lol	19:54
Wolfie	apt-get update on my updated scratchbox yields a lot of "302 found" messages, warning about that it can't stat source package lists on some repositories, finally failing at an error that it can't update some index files	19:54
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Wolfie	anyone have an idea what's going on?	19:54
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Jef91	Wolfie - yep Nokia repos suck	19:54
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Jef91	Been down all morning	19:54
Wolfie	my esbox project can't be compiled, because the scratchbox update erased all qt4-libraries, so i'm pretty much stuck	19:54
Wolfie	ffs	19:54
lcukx200_	Jef91, please refrain from saying they suck	19:55
adalal	Wolfie: either the repositories are down, or the DNS propagation has failed.. or not taken place yet	19:55
Wolfie	lcukx200_: they induce a low pressure?	19:55
lcukx200_	they are being upgraded for your benefit	19:55
Jef91	Wolfie - join the club. We have T-Shirts	19:55
mtnbkr	lcukx200_: re: DDOS attack lol	19:55
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Wolfie	lcukx200_: so, it's a matter of waiting it out? thanks	19:55
adalal	im surprised they dont have a fallback server	19:55
lcukx200_	its gets worse when the web sites cotton on	19:55
lcukx200_	"omg the massive DOS attack on RANDOMDOMAIN	19:56
odin_	does anybody know anything about /usr/local/share/locale/ ? and how files like usr/local/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/xyz.mo work? thats gettext? glibc?	19:56
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adalal	btw, anyone knows where the nokia ringtone is stored?	19:56
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lcukx200_	yes Wolfie	19:56
woglinde_	odin_ gettext makes the .mo	19:56
lcukx200_	it will all be better soon :)	19:56
lcukx200_	where can i get the tutorial applet from	19:56
woglinde_	and your libintl implementation makes it work	19:56
woglinde_	glibc/eglibc has its own libintl	19:57
woglinde_	so the one from gettext ist not used	19:57
woglinde_	but why is it in usr/local?	19:57
odin_	adalal, /home/user/.local/share/sounds/NokiaTune.aac.wav ??	19:57
adalal	i'll check	19:57
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woglinde_	hm	19:57
woglinde_	whats now wrong with garage	19:57
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lcukx200_	prolly the same as other stuff	19:58
Jef91	woglinde_ garage was working for me as of a half out ago	19:58
odin_	woglinde_, why should it not be in /usr/local/ ? ok I need to know how to instruct glibc to search /usr/local/share/locale for those files	19:58
woglinde_	Jef91 right	19:58
woglinde_	for me too	19:58
woglinde_	but now	19:58
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Jef91	Doesn't Nokia know there are lots of nerds with nothing better to do on a Saturday morning other than dev for their platform?	19:59
Jef91	They should really do these updates during the week	19:59
lcukx200_	then dev	19:59
villager	the maemo.org domain has no working dns server, so garage is going to be unavailable as well	19:59
* mtnbkr wishes the phone would flip from landscape to portait f-a-s-t-e-r after a call		19:59
woglinde_	Jef91 I fear tjere is more wrong	19:59
lcukx200_	Jef91, in case you hadnt noticed, this week has been VERY busy	19:59
odin_	dig @ns.nokia.com. maemo.org. (this works for me right now)	19:59
woglinde_	here too	20:00
woglinde_	Name: maemo.org	20:00
woglinde_	Address: 80.248.164.250	20:00
smps	adalal, http://pastebin.com/dc8ae84f	20:00
villager	hmm, okay, just repository that isn't on the dns then	20:01
Jef91	Busy, broken... You know - whatever	20:01
mtnbkr	sweet! xchat for maemo is now avail!	20:01
woglinde_	mtnbkr??? now	20:01
Jef91	mtnbkr - I've been using it for the last week or so ;)	20:01
woglinde_	its there since nov	20:01
woglinde_	or so	20:01
Mozillion	except it's in the repositories which are unreachable	20:02
Jef91	Although the 1.1 firmware update fixed my VGB crashes	20:02
Mozillion	:P	20:02
* mtnbkr just noticed it on the maemo.org/downloads "fresh" section :)		20:02
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torindel	mtnbkr: for some time now	20:06
torindel	it was in either devel or testing	20:06
woglinde	vote up and promotion	20:06
woglinde	hm I am little bit pissed now about maemo.org	20:07
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zeev	what is the command line name of the File Manager?	20:08
dvoid_	zzzz soon maybe soon n900 will finaly be available in sweden ;) \o/	20:08
Elerion	I can't access maemo and nokia repositories with my gprs connection. When using different provider over wifi they work. Everything was working fine 5 days ago. Is it possible my provider is on some blacklist or something?	20:08
ShadowJK_	maemo repositories work for nobody right now	20:09
torindel	Elerion: dns'es changed and they havent propagated yet	20:09
pupnik_	i leeched like 300 MB today. shouldn't we have a donations thing for it?	20:09
odin_	well don't we donate enough with patches/packages and bug fixes ?	20:10
torindel	Elerion: p.s. some people here might want working repositories.maemo.org ip ;p	20:10
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Elerion	oh ok. i was thinking conspiracy theory. :-) tnx	20:10
odin_	I'm sure Nokia can buy bandwidth cheaper than the rest of us !	20:10
Kamui	lol 2012!!!	20:10
torindel	Elerion: in about 72h it should be all ok	20:10
Kamui	get to denver airport!	20:10
adalal	odin_: lol, im sure they could get it even if it were available at a premium	20:11
pupnik_	everyone should do spinal tap codpieces when flying	20:11
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lo__	72h???? usually ttl are set to 4h. 72h is just crazy	20:12
adalal	wait	20:12
adalal	not 72h	20:12
arachnist	4h?	20:12
adalal	7200	20:12
arachnist	TTL is usually set to 1h	20:12
lo__	or 1h yes	20:12
adalal	it's set to 7200 seconds, i suppose?	20:12
adalal	which is 2 hours	20:13
lo__	or 20mn in case of dns hijacking..	20:13
Kamui	anyone else notice after pr1.1 that firfox is actually useable, dare i even say fast?!?!?	20:13
dvoid_	is there any simple to setup maemo emulator i could try? to get a better feel for the os before buying a n900?	20:13
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adalal	are there any maemo rep mirrors?	20:14
Kamui	lol. get the sdk and scratchbox dvoid	20:14
Kamui	wont give you a good feel for anything though	20:14
woglinde	Kamui firefox?	20:14
Kamui	obviously no hardware accel and the wm is compositing	20:15
Kamui	woglinde yes	20:15
adalal	Kamui: it does seem faster	20:15
adalal	still not as smooth	20:15
Elerion	dvoid: or just buy it. you'll not regret it.	20:15
adalal	a webkit based browser would be better i suppose	20:15
adalal	Kamui: still takes up a lot of memory	20:16
Kamui	adalal, before it was purely unusable. now i can actually read maemo.org without studdering.	20:16
lo__	the thing is.. the old ip is not answering. if at least it was giving a simple rst/ack my device would not hang..	20:16
lo__	lol they are funny at nokia	20:16
odin_	does anyone have a beagle board?	20:17
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Elerion	btw what's the new IP of repository.maemo.org?	20:17
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timeless_mbp	Kamui: where did you get firefox?	20:18
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adalal	timeless_mbp: it's in the repository	20:18
adalal	Elerion: dont think anyone here knows it just yet... i can't even say if they're up	20:18
adalal	Elerion: i wanted to update my dns records a long time ago as well	20:19
Kamui	timeless. the repo from mozilla	20:19
* timeless_mbp kicks mozilla for their stupid brand confusion		20:19
_claesbas_	timeless, http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/m/	20:20
adalal	Kamui: for the mozilla repository, what did you put down as the distribution?	20:20
timeless_mbp	_claesbas_: i'm well aware of what it is	20:20
_claesbas_	timeless, download page for firefox for n900	20:20
timeless_mbp	it's just very hard to know which of 3 products people mean when they say firefox	20:20
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adalal	isn't firefox for mobile known as fennec?	20:21
timeless_mbp	adalal: officially fennec was a codename	20:21
_claesbas_	that link was to the download page for firefox mobile for n900 the /m/	20:21
_claesbas_	it adds the repo	20:21
timeless_mbp	but in practice 'fennec' has the advantage of not being confusing	20:22
timeless_mbp	it isn't ambiguous	20:22
Elerion	OK. I'm so thrilled with with this n900, i hardly can leave it alone for more then 30 minutes. :-)	20:22
timeless_mbp	unlike 'firefox' which could mean: firefox, fennec, or microb	20:22
timeless_mbp	depending on how ignorant the person speaking is	20:22
adalal	lol	20:22
timeless_mbp	and diving that without asking them is pretty much impossible	20:22
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pupnik_	what about it is exciting you most right now, Elerion ?	20:23
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dev91	hi	20:24
torindel	hihi	20:24
adalal	hello	20:24
dev91	does anyone know if there's a maemo app to controll which services start upon boot?	20:24
adalal	commandline?	20:24
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timeless_mbp	dev91: i think there's a control panel item that can let you break your system that way	20:25
timeless_mbp	if you're suitably inclined and insane	20:25
Elerion	New apps keep popping up every hour, I've been configuring easy-deb-chroot to a deskop grade system. Lot's of fun.	20:25
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dev91_	sorry, for some reason this stoped responding..	20:27
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adalal	and so did his client along with it :S	20:27
dev91_	I was saying, I'm looking for an app to controll which services start upon boot, like sshd and lighttpd	20:27
v2px_	all repos are down for me	20:27
dev91_	same here. I can't update anything !!!	20:28
mfinkle	Kamui: yeah, fennec does seem faster after pr1.1	20:28
dev91_	It's apain, because I decided to reflash my n800...	20:28
sp3000	timeless, bug 8117 comment 3 :)	20:29
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8117 Browser doesn't show progress indicator when user selects url from urlbar completion list	20:29
sp3000	but yeah, that's one of teh more convenient str I've seen lately	20:29
SpeedEvil	dev91_: I frob /etc/event.d/rcS-late	20:29
adalal	does maemo6 use upstart?	20:29
xorAxAx	timeless_mbp: do you think that it makes sense to push non-nokia crash dumps using crash reporter?	20:29
SpeedEvil	dev91_: which is probably the wrong way to do it	20:29
xorAxAx	timeless_mbp: or are they thrown away?	20:29
timeless_mbp	xorAxAx: they aren't thrown away	20:30
timeless_mbp	we don't do much with them	20:30
timeless_mbp	but they don't die	20:30
RST38h	Ehehehe, Chinese start monitoring and censoring IM :)))	20:30
timeless_mbp	if you can send them somewhere more appropriate, that's obviously better	20:30
xorAxAx	crashreporter should grow that feature	20:30
timeless_mbp	but in theory if we were good guys (like microsoft), we'd notice when a third party app crashed a lot and contact the thrid party	20:30
xorAxAx	based on a control field :)	20:30
timeless_mbp	...	20:31
timeless_mbp	crash-reporter is kinda a waste of resources	20:31
xorAxAx	oh yes	20:31
timeless_mbp	they should have used bug-buddy or wahtever	20:31
dev91_	SpeedEvil: ? there's no /etc/event.d/.. on OS2008	20:31
sp3000	how would it be better in practise?	20:31
timeless_mbp	sp3000: i used um, news.google.com iirc	20:32
timeless_mbp	his steps worked perfectly	20:32
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SpeedEvil	dev91_: oops. Sorry.	20:32
timeless_mbp	sp3000: in theory bug-buddy was control field awaer	20:32
timeless_mbp	s/aer/are/	20:32
infobot	timeless_mbp meant: sp3000: in theory bug-buddy was control field aware	20:32
SpeedEvil	dev91_: Sorry - there should really be #maemo5 - but...	20:32
xorAxAx	WTF, rootsh is broken?	20:32
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* xorAxAx pins the old version		20:33
rd	Can the N900 tell how much data was transfered over the cell phone connection?	20:33
SpeedEvil	yes	20:33
rd	how?	20:33
SpeedEvil	rd: search the repos for 'gprs-data-applet' or something similarly named	20:33
sp3000	timeless, your comment lacks version information :)	20:33
SpeedEvil	that's a desktop widget	20:33
sp3000	wfm, anyhow	20:34
rd	SpeedEvil: many thanks	20:34
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SpeedEvil	rd: otherwise there is a meter somewhere in settings	20:34
timeless_mbp	sp3000: it was just a fun comment	20:34
timeless_mbp	i was mostly rewriting the summary	20:34
adalal	SpeedEvil: i thought the repos were down	20:34
timeless_mbp	sp3000: but you know me, i'm not moving from 51-1 until someone gives me a really good reason	20:34
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woglinde	re	20:34
SpeedEvil	adalal: ah - well - apart from that...	20:34
rd	SpeedEvil: I searched for the settings meter, but I did not find that one.	20:34
* SpeedEvil tries to work out where his n900 is.		20:35
adalal	rd: the repositories are down atm	20:35
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SpeedEvil	bash.org ++	20:35
pupnik_	anybody find how to disable xprot and limit volume in PA?	20:35
SpeedEvil	'it responds to pings - I just can't find it'	20:35
rd	adalal: thanks.	20:36
Trizt	Hmm... my login don't seem to be valid at the bugzilla anymore	20:36
rd	Is personal-gprs-mon the right one?	20:36
SpeedEvil	rd: that sounds like it	20:36
dev91	Does anyone still use the 770 model? what's the "best" firmware for it?	20:36
arachnist	hi	20:36
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Trizt	Seems someone has deleted my account, thanks for that	20:37
andre__	Trizt, ? I don't think so.	20:37
rd	dev91: I use it with the last officially released fw	20:37
andre__	Accounts cannot be deleted. Just disabled. And if so, you see a message why.	20:37
arachnist	what do i have to do to get maemo updated on my N900? the 'about product' says it's still 42-11, but "update" in the app manager doesn't show any upgrades	20:37
SpeedEvil	Trizt: there are reported problems with the sites aTM	20:38
pupnik_	i want a fm scanner that can detect the most empty channel...	20:38
andre__	http://maemo.org/news/announcements/repositories_down/	20:38
arachnist	apt-get dist-upgrade also doesn't say it wants to update any packages	20:38
Trizt	andre__; it says there is no such account when I try to reset password	20:38
andre__	Trizt, can you post your account ID in a private message please?	20:38
Trizt	SpeedEvil; okey, thanks	20:38
SpeedEvil	rd: personal dataplan monitor - it appears in 'details' of apps	20:38
dev91	rd: can you make sip calls and chat ?	20:38
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andre__	Note that Bugmail does not work currently due to http://maemo.org/news/announcements/repositories_down/ .	20:38
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lcuk	hiya andre__	20:39
andre__	hi	20:39
Trizt	andre__; so when is it expected to work again?	20:39
andre__	Trizt, when it's fixed.	20:39
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Trizt	so it prevents you to login to the bugzilla too?	20:40
andre__	Trizt, no.	20:40
andre__	that's why I asked you for your ID.	20:40
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andre__	so I can check.	20:40
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xorAxAx	WTF	20:40
xorAxAx	Disable ICMP echo reply for GPRS. This is done because some cellular	20:40
xorAxAx	# operators do not have any firewall for cellular traffic. The idea	20:40
xorAxAx	# here is that by disabling ping replies, the other end might stop	20:40
xorAxAx	# flooding us junk which in turn will save power.	20:40
andre__	you can comment in Bugzilla. But you will not receive Bugmail. Which is... unfortunate. ;-)	20:40
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rd	dev91: sip calls did never work well for me	20:46
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rd	dev91: there is a gizmo sip application, I guess if you register with gizmo that might work	20:46
adalal	arachnist: repositories are down/dns have not propagated	20:46
rd	dev91: with googletalk (jabber) you can chat and talk	20:47
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adalal	sip calls work amazing for me.. i have a couple of betamax accounts	20:47
adalal	and im priced £0.005/min to the US... and all :P	20:47
rd	adalal: on the 770?	20:48
adalal	n900	20:48
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rd	that makes a difference ;-)	20:48
adalal	hmm	20:48
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arachnist	adalal: i thought that maemo.org repos were not the ones providing software updates, but the downloads.maemo.nokia.com were	20:49
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adalal	arachnist: those are working :S	20:49
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rd	SpeedEvil: > it appears in 'details' of apps .... is that in settings?	20:50
adalal	arachnist: but im not entirely sure...	20:50
rd	I have a german localization, i.e. I have to match the strings ;-)	20:50
tingeltangel	hi. did the repos change ?	20:50
SpeedEvil	rd: app-manager - uninstall - view details	20:50
SpeedEvil	tingeltangel: yes.	20:51
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SpeedEvil	tingeltangel: from working to broken	20:51
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tingeltangel	lol	20:51
Jef91	anyone know if the repos are back up yet?	20:51
SpeedEvil	See above answer.	20:52
rd	SpeedEvil: are you sure that this shows how much data accumulated went over a UMTS/GPRS connection?	20:52
tingeltangel	just tested :)	20:52
tingeltangel	still down	20:52
Jef91	thanks tingeltangel	20:52
SpeedEvil	rd: it purports to, and seemed to be moderately accurate when I checked.	20:52
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tingeltangel	np Jef91	20:53
adalal	dont think the repositories will be up b4 monday.. getting people to work on saturday evenings and sundays would be ahrd	20:53
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andre__	tingeltangel: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/repositories_down/	20:53
adalal	hard*	20:53
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Jef91	adalal - very true. Still makes me, a sad panda at any rate.	20:54
tingeltangel	thx andre__	20:54
* Trizt hope that the bt/wifi bug would be fixed in next release, but guess that is too much to hope for		20:55
tingeltangel	andre__ r you from germany ?	20:55
andre__	tingeltangel: I have a German ID card	20:56
tingeltangel	lol	20:56
andre__	"from" always confuses me. yes, I was born there and lived a part of my life there :-P	20:56
tingeltangel	k :) thought you could be that andre who ported kismet ...	20:57
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timeless_mbp	xorAxAx: thank elisa.fi for that	20:57
andre__	tingeltangel, nope, I'm out :)	20:57
xorAxAx	timeless_mbp: for what? :)	20:58
* SpeedEvil ponders posting to TMO that the repos are down as the n900 is not being supported anymore.		20:58
woglinde	speedevil g	20:58
andre__	:-D	20:58
timeless_mbp	the icmp stuff	20:58
tingeltangel	hehe	20:58
timeless_mbp	elisa is among the operators which has no firewall	20:59
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timeless_mbp	it means you can ssh into most n900s that have sshd on them on elisa's network..	20:59
SpeedEvil	Neat.	20:59
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SpeedEvil	I'd like the option to turn my firewall/NAT on and off.	20:59
SpeedEvil	(on the 3G side)	20:59
ifreq	cool to run sshd on a mobile phone.. (not)	20:59
SpeedEvil	2G/3G side	21:00
ifreq	you can make sshd to listen on home private LAN	21:00
SpeedEvil	Why isn't it cool?	21:00
ifreq	if you really need to run such daemons	21:00
adalal	well,, sshd let's ur login from a desktop... which i do	21:00
ifreq	SpeedEvil: well i bet most users dont change pass and have gainroot enabled	21:00
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ifreq	its quite fast bye bye to phone if someone really wants to do some harm to your phone	21:01
SpeedEvil	ifreq: well - yes. But the install ssh package I saw asks you to pick a password	21:01
ifreq	ah yeh. hope they choose good ones.	21:01
sp3000	timeless_mbp: data:text/html,<frameset><frame src="http://bugs.maemo.org/"> and make a diagonal pan flick	21:01
ifreq	SpeedEvil: i would rather run it over private lan ip if ive must :)	21:01
adalal	ifreq: you have to choose a password when you install openssh server	21:01
timeless_mbp	sp3000: typing is hard	21:02
ifreq	adalal: yes i understood it from SpeedEvils answer thank you.	21:02
* gevaerts has key authentication only on his phone		21:02
adalal	lol, didn't see it	21:02
timeless_mbp	much better	21:02
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timeless_mbp	sp3000: do i need a certain font size?	21:03
evo	umm, how to tell file manager to show hidden files/directories too?	21:03
timeless_mbp	evo: get another file manager	21:04
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timeless_mbp	it isn't a hackable app	21:04
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evo	timeless_mbp: heh, ok	21:04
timeless_mbp	it's for end users, and you clearly don't qualify :)	21:04
LuciusMare	ohai,can i edit the buttons that are in down xterm's toolbar?	21:04
sp3000	timeless_mbp: I think I'm on large, but I doubt it should matter	21:04
goodwill	is lists.maemo.org being moved right now?	21:04
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wazd_e63	Reheya	21:04
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timeless_mbp	LuciusMare: in n8x0 you could	21:05
timeless_mbp	the ui seems gone	21:05
Mozillion	I tried doing it on the n900 using gconf	21:05
Mozillion	but it doesn't seem to work very well	21:05
sp3000	timeless_mbp: anyhow a diagonal or horizontal flick makes the page run away ;) luckily the next pan brings it back to the cnostrained area	21:05
RST38h	moo wazd	21:05
RST38h	how are things?	21:06
timeless_mbp	wfm 51-1	21:06
xorAxAx	timeless_mbp: but pings arent evil or problematic	21:06
sp3000	timeless_mbp: anyhow bug 7942 wfm there so there must be something besides a frame going on there?	21:06
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7942 selects in frameset do not work	21:06
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xorAxAx	timeless_mbp: ok, flood pings probably	21:06
timeless_mbp	xorAxAx: so....	21:06
timeless_mbp	network traffic of any sort to a phone is POWER expensive	21:06
xorAxAx	nevertheless, you can DOS an n900 without pings	21:06
wazd_e63	RsT38h: heading back to moscow :)	21:07
timeless_mbp	in fact, sporadic pings are probably WORSE than FLOODS	21:07
timeless_mbp	sp3000: in 51-1, w/o the frameset, the select works	21:07
timeless_mbp	w/ the frameset, the select doesn't work	21:07
RST38h	wazd: that was quick	21:07
timeless_mbp	i didn't spend the time testing something more complicated	21:07
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sp3000	same in mine	21:08
timeless_mbp	oh	21:08
timeless_mbp	but maemo. gotcha	21:08
sp3000	but I was looking for something simpler :)	21:08
* timeless_mbp is slow		21:08
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timeless_mbp	<td valign="bottom"><SELECT name="guidelinks" onChange="parent.bottom_frame.location=document.guideform.guidelinks.options[document.guideform.guidelinks.selectedIndex].value">	21:08
timeless_mbp	the onchange looks interesting	21:09
timeless_mbp	we probably do something stupid	21:09
timeless_mbp	like blow away the frame document onclick	21:09
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LuciusMare	noo,penguinbait.	21:09
sp3000	yeah I was about to say	21:09
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sp3000	wait, how many fricking levels of frames are there	21:13
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wazd_e63	Is autobuilder sane now btw?	21:13
sp3000	whywaitforbooks.com -> frameset.html -> state.htm	21:14
woglinde	wazd I am trying	21:14
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sp3000	that one doesn't have any more frames ;)	21:14
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woglinde	wazd but dot seem so	21:14
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woglinde	hangs at movining to autobuilder	21:14
sp3000	the select foo already works on frameset.html	21:14
sp3000	but not if that is framed	21:14
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wazd_e63	Woglinde: well, it has 9 more hours to fix himself up)	21:15
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adalal	i can't logon to talk.maemo.org :S	21:16
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adalal	is that account dependant on one of the failed servers?]	21:16
woglinde	adalal there is something wrong right	21:17
woglinde	but we will have until monday before it will be fixed	21:17
adalal	yeah,	21:17
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goodwill	does anyone know when repository.maemo.org and lists.maemo.org is coming back?	21:18
X-Fade	adalal: Those servers are not related.	21:18
woglinde	uh	21:18
woglinde	he x-fade	21:18
woglinde	seens we are lucky	21:18
woglinde	seems	21:18
X-Fade	goodwill: hopefully soon, work is ongoing.	21:18
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woglinde	x-fade thanks ;)	21:19
X-Fade	woglinde: Yeah, this is how I want to spend my saturday evening..	21:19
X-Fade	NOT	21:19
woglinde	sure	21:19
adalal	X-Fade: garage.maemo.org isn't responding to pings, and I think the accounts are hosted there... :S	21:19
woglinde	you should have travel again	21:19
wazd_e63	X-Fade: yeah yeah :)	21:19
X-Fade	adalal: I think I should know that ;)	21:19
goodwill	garage.maemo.org is lightling speedy now	21:20
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timeless_mbp	fwiw, in case people are curious	21:21
xorAxAx	does anybody have the repository.maemo.org IP?	21:21
adalal	X-Fade: well, my account is missing, says my username is invalid :S...	21:21
timeless_mbp	there is actually a web browser whose urlbar is worse than microb's!	21:21
X-Fade	adalal: talk and garage are not linked.	21:21
adalal	X-Fade: it isn't? clicking on register for a username on talk takes you to the garage.maemo.org registration page	21:21
X-Fade	adalal: no it doesn't.	21:22
adalal	that's odd, it just that for me :S	21:22
adalal	and now it's going to the talk.maemo.org registration page	21:22
goodwill	X-Fade: a stupid question ... is there a blog entry somewhere on the server move schedule?	21:22
X-Fade	adalal: maemo.org itself goes to garage.	21:22
X-Fade	goodwill: yes, check the planet or maemo.org/news/	21:23
adalal	X-Fade: i am aware of that... :P	21:23
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timeless_mbp	oh neat/bad	21:23
timeless_mbp	i can read ui specs w/o a vpn	21:23
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timeless_mbp	oh brother	21:28
timeless_mbp	X-Fade: ever used calendar?	21:28
X-Fade	Sure	21:28
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timeless_mbp	how many 'calendars' do you have in your calendar?	21:28
X-Fade	3	21:29
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Elerion	did anyone think about porting UAE and/or Vice to Maemo 5?	21:29
timeless_mbp	brithdays, device, private?	21:29
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X-Fade	yes	21:30
timeless_mbp	have you ever added events with reminders?	21:30
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timeless_mbp	(birthday reminders count)	21:30
X-Fade	yes	21:30
timeless_mbp	have you ever used options>manage calendars (your string will be different if you aren't using enus1/engb1)	21:31
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X-Fade	Settings/edit calendars ?	21:31
timeless_mbp	sure	21:31
* timeless_mbp wonders what it says to the right of "Edit calendars" in the "Settings" dialog		21:32
X-Fade	3 visible	21:32
PBeck	have anybody an idea why tracker index not my ogg files in .sounds?	21:33
PBeck	*has	21:33
timeless_mbp	ok, so, suppose you had a reminder in each of those 3 calendars scheduled for 30mins from now	21:33
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timeless_mbp	and you look at the month view	21:33
PBeck	i have deleted the database but ist ever the same	21:33
timeless_mbp	and find that there are too many annoying boxes on it, and you just want to see Birthdays and Private for a bit	21:34
timeless_mbp	based on "3 visible"	21:34
timeless_mbp	or rather "2 visible" since you've now made 3 into 2	21:34
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timeless_mbp	how many of those 3 reminders do you expect to encounter in 30mins?	21:34
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timeless_mbp	(now made 3 into 2 by using settings>edit calendars and unchecking device ..)	21:35
X-Fade	Oh, Oh, Oh, I know that one ...	21:36
X-Fade	2	21:36
timeless_mbp	what part of 'visible' told you that?	21:36
timeless_mbp	note: i have no clue what actually happens	21:36
pupnik_	it is fun watching maemo evolve	21:37
timeless_mbp	i've only read the spec	21:37
timeless_mbp	reading specs is unfair	21:37
Mozillion	hoo.. repository.maemo.org has address 80.248.164.237 :(	21:37
Mozillion	:) *	21:37
timeless_mbp	because it makes finding bugs like shooting fish in a barrel	21:37
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Mozillion	ok, it's a resolve, but no response... false alarm	21:38
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* timeless_mbp sighs		21:39
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timeless_mbp	the way that the calendar shows "now" in week view leaves sanity to be desired	21:39
odin_	ifreq, " well i bet most users dont change pass and have gainroot enabled" the SSH server installation forces you to set a new root pass (when installed from HAM at least)	21:40
ifreq	odin_: why you are reading my line but nothing to follow?	21:40
ifreq	ive seen same answer now twice. why the repeating?	21:40
timeless_mbp	ifreq: fwiw	21:40
ifreq	repeat is gold	21:40
timeless_mbp	internally the devs @nokia get a version of sshd which is just part of the device	21:40
ifreq	like on martial arts	21:41
timeless_mbp	so there's no "change password dialog"	21:41
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timeless_mbp	and we're on one of those service providers w/o a firewall	21:41
ifreq	yeah, tho you can run sshd on certain IP only	21:41
ifreq	or do you need to offer sshd services over 3G?	21:41
Trizt	Anyone know if those people who had problems with DC-11 and N900 not charging, has those issues been fixed? The bug/problem keeps me from buying one	21:42
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timeless_mbp	ifreq: what part of "default configuration" is unclear?	21:42
GuySoft_nokia	hey, my garnet VM just stoped working, is it a demo?? or could it be a bug because of 210?	21:42
GuySoft_nokia	2010*	21:42
ifreq	timeless_mbp: none.	21:42
timeless_mbp	ok.	21:42
xorAxAx	GuySoft_nokia: mine crashes quite quickyl	21:42
xorAxAx	GuySoft_nokia: not usable at all	21:42
ifreq	its not my issue either, was just commenting about stuff.	21:42
xorAxAx	GuySoft_nokia: on n900, though	21:42
GeneralAntilles	Hooray, "PR1.1 sux!" spam.	21:43
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timeless_mbp	GeneralAntilles: where?	21:43
GuySoft_nokia	it rocked here, i gotg planetarium to work on it. there is no app like that on any handheld device	21:43
* timeless_mbp doesn't get enough spam		21:43
Mozillion	rocking here too :P	21:43
GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, Talk, where else? ;)	21:43
timeless_mbp	does-not-exist	21:43
* timeless_mbp repokes X-Fade		21:44
GeneralAntilles	Hey, that's the BT name of my N900.	21:44
timeless_mbp	X-Fade: so, why did you pick 2?	21:44
Mozillion	I miss evolution's week view in most calendar apps, and also maemo5's	21:44
odin_	ifreq, because I'd had not gotten to those lines yet	21:44
SpeedEvil	I suspect a planetarium app may be in the works for n900.	21:44
GuySoft_nokia	Mozillion, are you sure ? it says here "demo period over"	21:44
Mozillion	GuySoft_nokia: ? about what?	21:44
GuySoft_nokia	SpeedEvil, its a palmos app	21:44
xorAxAx	GuySoft_nokia: which version are you using?	21:44
GuySoft_nokia	Mozillion, garnet palmos that is	21:45
SpeedEvil	GuySoft: xephem	21:45
Mozillion	GuySoft_nokia: I was not saying anything about it	21:45
GuySoft_nokia	xorAxAx, i think the laetest, i got it a few months ago	21:45
xorAxAx	GuySoft_nokia: check	21:46
goodwill	can a standard user PM on talk.maemo.org?	21:46
goodwill	I seems to be lacking that capability	21:46
GuySoft_nokia	SpeedEvil, xephem is not as good as planetarium . its database and interface are better	21:46
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SpeedEvil	UI would need some tweaks	21:47
GeneralAntilles	goodwill, you need 3, 5, 7 or 10 posts or something like that.	21:47
GuySoft_nokia	xorAxAx, hang on, will try in the package manager . it will not open anymore	21:47
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GeneralAntilles	RST38h, have you pushed your patches upstream for FBReader?	21:49
* GeneralAntilles finds it hilarious that one of the Fremantle Stars had to wait for a random community dev to step in and clean it up.		21:49
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GuySoft_nokia	xorAxAx, version 1.0.3b garnet-vm	21:51
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Guest72108	GuySoft_nokia: you work for nokia?	21:52
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GuySoft_nokia	GuySoft, lol, no not at all	21:52
GuySoft_nokia	the nick is because of my nokia N810	21:53
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GuySoft_nokia	its just to explain my typos	21:53
timeless_mbp	GuySoft: please use _n810 instead	21:54
GeneralAntilles	GuySoft, s/nokia/N810/	21:54
timeless_mbp	konttori_nokia actually works for nokia	21:54
konttori	timeless: apropos do you see any issues in optification of the browser?	21:54
zerojay	It's kind of convention here.	21:54
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SpeedEvil	GuySoft: works OK - but only in portrait mode.	21:54
evo	god, the more I use N900 the more I love it ... I'm becoming addicted I think :)	21:54
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timeless_mbp	so your nick is confusing	21:54
SpeedEvil	GuySoft: and stylus only	21:54
timeless_mbp	konttori: other than it potentially slowing down maps	21:54
timeless_mbp	which is already a disaster?	21:55
konttori	timeless_mbp: not anymore	21:55
konttori	test latest pr1.2	21:55
w00t	heh	21:56
w00t	maps no longer a disaster? woo	21:56
SpeedEvil	How many 1.1 testers were there - and where were htey slected from?	21:56
Trizt	konttori; is there a "changelog" for pr1.2 which we normal mortals can peek at?	21:56
GeneralAntilles	Until Maps has a UI that isn't a spit in the face to the HIG, it's gonna suck.	21:56
lo__	is it possible to control media player from command line, like go to next track?	21:56
konttori	Trizt: there will be once pr1.2 is out	21:57
Trizt	konttori; I hate to wait	21:57
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konttori	GeneralAntilles: by they way, how would you feel if we started calling these releases maemo 5.0, 5.0.1 and 5.1?	21:57
Trizt	too much waiting when it comes to maemo	21:57
* sp3000 giggles at the troll on ari's blog: "None of the important applications work well (listed below) ... No MMS (i dont care)"		21:57
blandar	link SpeedEvil ?	21:58
konttori	sure. by the way, looks like we'll make intermediate release between 1.1 and 1.2	21:58
timeless_mbp	sp3000: url	21:58
GeneralAntilles	konttori, PR1.0, PR1.0.1, and PR1.1, you mean?	21:58
blandar	sp3000:	21:58
SpeedEvil	blandar: ?	21:58
* sp3000 is somewhat amused by the exciting combination of "important" and "dont care"		21:58
GeneralAntilles	konttori, probably be more sensible.	21:58
timeless_mbp	konttori: 5.. would be wonderful	21:58
Trizt	konttori; how many? one, two, ten?	21:58
sp3000	timeless, http://www.google.fi/search?q=ari+blog silly	21:58
GeneralAntilles	Trizt, https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&target_milestone=5.0%2B&&resolution=FIXED	21:58
timeless_mbp	Trizt: hopefully only one	21:58
sp3000	:P	21:58
GeneralAntilles	Trizt, that's sort of mostly accurate now.	21:59
timeless_mbp	Trizt: the browser and something else have some fixes pending	21:59
timeless_mbp	which management wants sooner than "5.1"	21:59
timeless_mbp	err "5.2"	21:59
timeless_mbp	whatever	21:59
Trizt	GeneralAntilles; thanks	21:59
GeneralAntilles	Trizt, andre__ set correct milestones for most of the 51-1 bugs.	21:59
konttori	timeless_mbp: product management also likes it after patrik flykt suggested it	21:59
frals	man adding new features is so much more fun than refactoring old code...	21:59
timeless_mbp	konttori: patrik++	21:59
GeneralAntilles	Hopefully a fix for the broken UPnP video streaming might also make it.	21:59
lcukx200_	konttori++ on the versioning	22:00
timeless_mbp	konttori: hey	22:00
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Trizt	nice, 3941 fixed	22:00
evo	GeneralAntilles: thanks for the link, #5634 fixed, yay!	22:00
timeless_mbp	create an alarm in calendar for 10:05pm w/ a reminder @time of event	22:00
blandar	did you see ftp sharing app on ovi?	22:00
timeless_mbp	(give it a name and save it)	22:00
timeless_mbp	when it fires, tap the view button	22:00
* lcukx200_ finally gets 5 minutes to liqbase before packing		22:00
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pekuja	blandar: I was pretty excited about that, but then realized it probably doesn't do SFTP.	22:00
blandar	my site uses normal ftp	22:01
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pekuja	and I'm not using FTP	22:01
konttori	timeless_mbp: Cannot do it. My device is reserved by my wife for angrybirds.	22:01
pekuja	normal FTP isn't very secure	22:01
blandar	also youtube uploader ftw	22:01
timeless_mbp	konttori: lol	22:01
timeless_mbp	sp3000: please try	22:01
timeless_mbp	oh, after saving the event, scroll your week view to the bottom of the day	22:01
pekuja	yes, that one I installed	22:02
GeneralAntilles	konttori, so, when do I get to tell andre__ I'm actually psychic? ;)	22:02
konttori	GeneralAntilles: about what?	22:03
blandar	wow OGL ES 1.1 !	22:03
GeneralAntilles	konttori, the new version numbers.	22:03
andre__	GeneralAntilles, but I thought I am the person unable to communicate with normal users :-P	22:03
konttori	oh. well, they are not approved way of working yet	22:03
konttori	I really hope they will be though	22:03
GeneralAntilles	Ah, damn.	22:03
GeneralAntilles	Jaffa, ping?	22:04
sp3000	yeah, you totally can't use those :P	22:04
konttori	I think they will be as everybody likes the idea (even internally)	22:04
dmj726	hi KamuiN900	22:04
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Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: pong	22:04
GeneralAntilles	Jaffa, what TMs do you want on bmo?	22:04
sp3000	timeless_mbp: so, what should be wrong	22:05
timeless_mbp	sp3000: when i do that, the calendar scrolls up	22:05
timeless_mbp	so i can't see the event i asked to 'view'	22:05
sp3000	when?	22:05
sp3000	the event opens	22:05
timeless_mbp	after the alarm fires and i click view and then click back	22:05
timeless_mbp	i think	22:05
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Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: TMs?	22:05
sp3000	yes, the week view is annoying and scrolls to the topmost thing in your week all the time	22:06
GeneralAntilles	Target Milestones	22:06
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Jaffa	Ah	22:06
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Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: For Maemo?	22:06
sp3000	which is great because I have a bus or two marked at around 1am on tues	22:06
sp3000	this week	22:06
GeneralAntilles	0.0.2, 0.0.3, 0.0.4, 0.0.5?	22:06
Jaffa	"Soon", "We'll see", "You'll be lucky", "Month of Sundays", "Ha, buy the next device"	22:06
sp3000	so every time I open week view I get something useless :)	22:06
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timeless_mbp	sp3000: awesome	22:07
Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: After 0.0.5, I'm thinking 0.6.0	22:07
sp3000	it probably should do something in the ballpark of "now"	22:07
* timeless_mbp cries		22:07
redeeman	what is the default password for "secure device" ?	22:07
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GeneralAntilles	Jaffa, OK, done.	22:07
timeless_mbp	for some reason my engb1 strings are better than my enus1 strings	22:07
frals	12345 afaik	22:07
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sp3000	or, "next event from now"	22:07
Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: Ta	22:07
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redeeman	frals: yeah thanks	22:08
GeneralAntilles	Jaffa, by the way, I switched the theme to Nseries, rebooted and I'm still stuck with the orange category icons.	22:08
sp3000	timeless_mbp: well, ok, it doesn't scroll to the top when you select a thing in the week view and go back	22:08
nedko	what pc software i need in order to synchronize my contacts via bluetooth?	22:08
sp3000	so not quite always ;)	22:08
RevdKathy	You guys with calendar issues might contibute here: http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/improving_the_calendar_in_n900/	22:08
timeless_mbp	sp3000: but it does from the alarm form?	22:08
nedko	what pc software i need in order to synchronize my contacts via bluetooth or wireless?	22:08
timeless_mbp	RevdKathy: most of us don't believe in brainstorm	22:08
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RevdKathy	LOL so why do we have it?	22:09
Stskeeps	random question for the finns, is the strike still going on in luggage handling in HEL?	22:09
timeless_mbp	RevdKathy: fwiw solution2 is wrong	22:09
frals	hey, two of my brainstorms have been "successful"	22:09
sp3000	yeah I dunno why it decided to reset it even with the view already open	22:09
GeneralAntilles	Though we'd have more managerial investment. . . .	22:09
timeless_mbp	if the event is <15mins away	22:09
timeless_mbp	it won't default to 15mins :)	22:09
frals	one for harmattan and one i started to develop myself... :P	22:09
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RevdKathy	Really? I'll take your word for that	22:10
goodwill	quick question	22:10
Trizt	I don't understand why you can't set CET as your timezone, I hate those city/country things	22:10
sp3000	timeless_mbp: fwiw I would somewhat expect it to default to something <15min	22:10
sp3000	in that case	22:10
sp3000	but, shruggery	22:10
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goodwill	I could have sworn that the unlock screen (the one where you enter a numeric password) should have emergency calls button	22:10
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jerhum	Hello	22:10
jerhum	some people here :)	22:10
timeless_mbp	RevdKathy: well, the only options i get are no reminder and at time of event	22:11
jerhum	you know if i have french channel ?	22:11
sp3000	Trizt, well, time is political and changes at a whim	22:11
timeless_mbp	(your strings will vary if you aren't using enus1, why aren't you?)	22:11
RevdKathy	Right - I'll edit to include that	22:11
timeless_mbp	RevdKathy: believe me, i'm not saying calendar does anything right	22:11
sp3000	Trizt, so having resolution at least to political entity level can come in handy	22:11
* GeneralAntilles sighs at maemo.org logo abuse.		22:12
timeless_mbp	and i wish someone from nokia would publish the ui specs so you could tare them to shreds	22:12
timeless_mbp	GeneralAntilles: by nokia? :)	22:12
Trizt	sp3000; republican time?	22:12
sp3000	you could argue that at this time cet could be close enough, but, you never know ;)	22:12
RevdKathy	I find calendar coud be a lot better	22:12
sp3000	Trizt, heh	22:12
sp3000	not that kind of entity :D	22:12
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GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, by bloggers and by Ovi Store application developers.	22:12
Trizt	:)	22:12
timeless_mbp	RevdKathy: the calendar could be a lot worse too :)	22:12
GeneralAntilles	http://sygic.com/ http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/	22:12
timeless_mbp	GeneralAntilles are you allowed to send CnD letters? :)	22:13
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RevdKathy	I've used worse. But I've used better	22:13
Trizt	but people who don't live in the capital of a country don't like to have the capital as the town, they rather in that case have the town where they are as the town, at least that the case among those I know who can't use CET	22:13
timeless_mbp	Trizt: sp3000 and i spent hours trying to get the world map fixed	22:13
* lcuk baaaas @ RevdKathy		22:13
timeless_mbp	there are huge issues w/ adding map points to the map	22:14
timeless_mbp	it makes it a royal pain to actually get what you want or search for it	22:14
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GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, last I heard, Nokia owns the maemo.org trademark (which goes against my understanding of the situation from 2008), so, doubtful.	22:14
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timeless_mbp	if you don't like your country's captial, get a new country	22:14
Trizt	timeless_mbp; I would have been happy with a drop down list :P	22:14
* RevdKathy baaas back at lcuk		22:14
timeless_mbp	Trizt: there is a drop down	22:14
timeless_mbp	it just only lists the bits we have :)	22:14
Trizt	timeless_mbp; but then I get a hour wrong with the time	22:14
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timeless_mbp	Trizt: technically you can edit the map data file and add entries for the time zones	22:15
timeless_mbp	there are only like 30-50 time zones to add	22:15
Trizt	timeless_mbp; can I do it myself on my phone? or this something you need to do before compiling?	22:15
timeless_mbp	Trizt: what locale are you using?	22:15
timeless_mbp	Trizt: on your phone	22:15
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timeless_mbp	i can give you a package which demos the idea	22:16
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Trizt	timeless_mbp; en_GB mostly and some sv_SE	22:16
* frals ponders if what RevdKathy and lcuk is doing is some ancient brittish custom		22:17
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sp3000	yeah, it's called lambasting	22:18
RevdKathy	No, the ancient custom for tonight should be pouring cider over apple trees and feeding them toast	22:18
timeless_mbp	RevdKathy: did i get you to use engb1? :)	22:18
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RevdKathy	No, what's that?	22:18
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* RevdKathy much prefers to little blue reproducing birds to the yellow turbocharged ones		22:19
* Jaffa moos at lcuk, frals and RevdKathy.		22:20
RevdKathy	Evning Jaffa	22:20
frals	ello	22:20
RevdKathy	how's the mms going tonight, frals?	22:20
frals	RevdKathy: looking through the specs to see what kind of message I'm suppose to send to confirm that the message is received, other than that it's quite excellent thank you ;)	22:21
frals	pushed a new release earlier today with a lot of fixes, hoping to keep the hy^H^Husers at bay for a while with that ;)	22:22
nedko	what pc software i need in order to synchronize my contacts via bluetooth or wireless?	22:22
RevdKathy	excellent! Great news!!!	22:22
torindel	nedko: nokia pc suite	22:22
nedko	torindel: for linux?	22:22
torindel	win -__-	22:22
nedko	i dont run windows...	22:23
torindel	nedko: that hurts me too ;P	22:23
frals	RevdKathy: also received a donation from some kind soul today, so my caffiene intake is secured for the coming week :D	22:23
nedko	torindel: so what you do atm?	22:23
timeless_mbp	RevdKathy: it's an alternate translation	22:23
RevdKathy	Brilliant!	22:23
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rd	nedko: I copied over the .vcf file from linux using ssh....not really synchronization....	22:23
RevdKathy	alternate translation of what, timeless_mbp?	22:24
rd	....but at least I could use my contacts from kdepim	22:24
timeless_mbp	the system	22:24
torindel	nedko: atm i just dont synchronize, i used .vcf export from gmail and pulled it into nokia	22:24
nedko	i bet n900 could do better	22:24
nedko	what if i install evolution thing on my pc?	22:25
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blandar	ii dont see duplicate MyDocs entries fixed in 1.2	22:28
blandar	looks bad when demoing device	22:29
* GeneralAntilles had a dream last night that he pulled the USB port out of his N900.		22:29
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timeless_mbp	GeneralAntilles: you sure that was a dream?	22:30
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zash	GeneralAntilles: did you proceed with replacing it with a firetwire port?	22:30
frals	GeneralAntilles: sounds like a nightmare indeed	22:30
zash	or a serial port	22:31
arachnist	firewire might be interesting	22:31
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GeneralAntilles	arachnist, no power on the 4-pin port, though.	22:40
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blandar	lacking anamorphic support in media player is a pretty big hole	22:45
Stskeeps	anawhat	22:45
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blandar	dvds are encoded to be displayed at wider than square pixel ratio	22:46
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blandar	properly encoded, a player must stretch to non-square pixel ratio	22:47
blandar	bug files	22:47
inz	Hmm, is I got my calendar once sync'd with google calendar, but further syncs aren't working	22:48
blandar	filed	22:48
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blandar	it is so lame that these 30 year old coin-op games are still illegal to distribute	22:52
villager	blame disney... aren't they the ones that keep extending copyright	22:53
pekuja	I guess pretty much.	22:54
pekuja	I don't think they're the only ones, but definitely one of the biggest ones.	22:54
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LuciusMare	ohai	22:57
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LuciusMare	I got to ask, what is the reason you bought n900?	22:57
uhsf	anyone here noticed newegg now ships to Canada? and why was I not informed about this?	22:57
tg	hoi	22:58
uhsf	I suppose newegg.ca is by far the best choice from where to order a Nokia N900 since it's 200$ cheaper than ncix.ca	22:58
tg	hm, i found an alternative way to reboot the device: start maemo-mapper then click anywhere :)	22:59
LuciusMare	or you are going to buy n900?	22:59
inz	tg, ooh, what a nice feature =)	22:59
tg	maybe it's because the custom kernel i just installed? or the last maemo update, not sure which	22:59
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gevaerts	not playing angry birds seems to make my battery last a lot longer	23:00
zash	N900, sweden, when?	23:00
LuciusMare	...	23:00
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tg	gevaerts: yeah but if you connect the charger you can play it and it will even last longer! :)	23:01
pekuja	gevaerts: what else can you do though? :-O	23:01
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pekuja	gevaerts: life loses meaning	23:01
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smps	try to compile kernel on device itself	23:01
smps	:D	23:01
tg	:D	23:01
tg	i needed it because i want to nat	23:01
gevaerts	tg: I could, but it gets less interesting once you have three stars everywhere	23:02
inz	it does	23:02
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inz	thus i removed it to get the upgrade =)	23:02
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tg	and there's no nat module in the standard kernel, afaik	23:03
smps	tg, yes i know	23:04
smps	there is no ppp support either	23:04
smps	i would need it for ipsec/l2tp	23:04
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tg	mmhm	23:04
tg	i needed it quickly so i used this one from jebba for now: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Kernel	23:05
tg	maybe i'll compile one myself later	23:05
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dev91_	I'd like to utn the screen (when the unit is sleeping) with a shell script. any ideas?	23:05
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smps	tg, pls dont do that on device :D its going to be veery hot ,	23:05
jebba	tg that kernel isn't updated to pr1.1 btw	23:06
gevaerts	smps: really?	23:06
* gevaerts has compiled gcc on his n900, it didn't get hot		23:06
tg	jebba: yeah i just noticed that	23:07
smps	gevaerts, how come ? i did some tests over night with gps and it was hot	23:07
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tg	maybe that's why i had this reboot problem? or something like that	23:07
gevaerts	smps: no idea. It gets a lot hotter if I let it autoselect between 2g and 3g in an area without 3g coverage	23:07
tg	jebba: will you do an update ?	23:07
torindel	smps: for me 100% cpu usage produces barely noticable heat, and i wouldnt call that hot	23:08
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jebba	tg: well, i was going to do an update, but nokia has added some proprietary program needed to generate the image for the flasher now	23:09
MaemohammadAG	kinda hate how the device's performance becomes less when multitasking with a call on	23:09
LuciusMare	Has anybody had written a library to access the camera? I want to write a time-lapse app	23:09
jebba	tg: vote for this bug:	23:10
jebba	https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7972	23:10
povbot`	Bug 7972: Kernel in PR1.1 build-depends on fiasco-gen which is nowhere to be found	23:10
LuciusMare	?	23:10
LuciusMare	bug 666	23:10
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=666 Problems with Javascript setTimeout function	23:10
tg	jebba: hm, too bad, thanks for the info	23:10
LuciusMare	bug 1337	23:10
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1337 Menu item News -> garage news is broken	23:10
jebba	repository.maemo.org does not exist (Authoritative answer) ?	23:10
LuciusMare	I think i finally got what is the povbot >_>	23:10
LuciusMare	bug 1	23:11
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 test - ignore it	23:11
LuciusMare	hah	23:11
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LuciusMare	So,the camera library?	23:12
LuciusMare	:(	23:13
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blandar	let us insist on maemo.org doing optification	23:17
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ifreq	blandar: ?	23:18
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blandar	farking with packages to that end is a bad timesink	23:18
* Stskeeps thought the consensus at the workshop was automatic optification too		23:18
ifreq	blandar: coders doing the packages should do that. not some repo site.	23:19
blandar	cool	23:19
ifreq	Stskeeps: i thought its not so easy as it sounds?	23:19
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SplasPood	heh, this is when a mirror of repository would come in handy :)	23:19
Stskeeps	ifreq: opt out should solve those	23:19
woglinde_	damn my wife let met sleep again	23:19
Stskeeps	SplasPood: there was a clearly announced service break	23:19
SplasPood	Stskeeps: Hrm, I thought I saw some post that there were 'problems with the machine' and that it was 'tough to find people on saturday'	23:20
Stskeeps	SplasPood: well, yes, but the server move was yesterday	23:20
SplasPood	Stskeeps: in either case a mirror would still allow the repository to function even if there were no updates coming in.	23:20
lardman\|home	Why is it so hard to build lapack?	23:20
SplasPood	But I'm not complainin, thats why there was a :)	23:20
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Stskeeps	SplasPood: we had this discussion .. apt doesn't like redirect and they'd need to provide vhost for repository.maemo.org	23:20
Stskeeps	:P	23:20
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ifreq	Stskeeps: yeah but you can install 2nd repo by hand :P	23:21
woglinde_	lardman because life isnt easy	23:21
lardman\|home	yeah :(	23:21
ifreq	just need to get stuff copied via rsync :P	23:21
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DocScrutinizer	I'd really prefer usrificartion and varification. I.E. implement a sane classic partitioning with dedicated partitions/volumes for /usr /var and /opt and /home. Then mount these volumes early in system startup rather than doing nasty symlinking or bindmounting etc. Heythis worked in unixes evers since. I don't see why it couldn't be done for maemo as well	23:21
xorAxAx	GuySoft_nokia: there is 1.04b already	23:21
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woglinde_	hm is autobuilder repaired?	23:22
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Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: i'd rather like to see /usr and /usr/local	23:22
wackl	is someone using fuppes for video streaming on N900?	23:22
Stskeeps	but hmm	23:22
Stskeeps	:P	23:22
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* ShadowJK_ 'd like to see /usr and /usr/local too		23:28
ShadowJK_	or /opt/maemo used as /usr/local	23:29
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ruied	Hi! I can't access to repository.maemo.org is the site down?	23:30
Trizt	how do you install portmap the simplest way? and does the nfs module support nfs4?	23:30
Stskeeps	yes, from #maemork from qaiku: We have SAN issues on the machine hosting the repositories and the mail/list server. Work on bringing things back is ongoing.	23:30
Stskeeps	, ruied	23:30
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blandar	it is hard to see all the issues related to /opt	23:31
nedko	torindel, rd: have you tried syncevolution or opensync?	23:31
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torindel	nedko: nope	23:31
torindel	might take look at opensync thoo unless it requires some cow like evolution -__-	23:31
nedko	torindel: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=467613#post467613	23:31
nedko	torindel: n900 addressbook is stored in evolution kind of db	23:32
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blandar	why dont we fuse another partition into root after happy system startup	23:34
ruied	Stskeeps: ok, thanks. is there other mirrors of the repository available?	23:35
wackl	am i right that the n900 mediaplayer does not support resizing of videos streamed via upnp-servers?	23:35
ShadowJK_	I think jebba is the one who just made a new partition on the 32g and edited system scripts to use it as /usr or something	23:35
blandar	jebba is a can-do guy	23:35
jebba	i haven't repartitioned though :) caused me a bit of pain upgrading for sure...	23:36
\|R	uhm all the maemo.org repo are down ?	23:37
woglinde_	jo jebba	23:37
woglinde_	\|r jupp	23:37
\|R	woglinde_: server upgrade didn't go very smoothly?	23:38
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blandar	im ready to go with ext2 and bootloader to another partition personally	23:40
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jebba	hey woglinde_	23:40
* Trizt could accept gentoo and jfs ;P		23:40
jebba	seems there are intermittant DNS issues with repository.maemo.org. Change you DNS server and you may have better luck (ala 8.8.8.8)	23:40
ruied	what's the ip address of repository.maemo.org ?	23:42
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jebba	ruied: i think it varies depending on where you are (akamai foovoo)	23:42
jebba	repository.maemo.org has address 80.248.164.237 is one	23:42
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Mozillion	it's not only DNS	23:45
Mozillion	http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=476503&postcount=35	23:46
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jebba	well, this week was server cut-over week, rumour has it	23:47
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DocScrutinizer	FWIW http://pastebin.com/f52532339 (repo DNS)	23:48
woglinde_	x-fade is working on it	23:48
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Stskeeps	just so see #maemork, it explains it pretty welll	23:48
Stskeeps	:P	23:48
Gadgetoid	arrr is there an easydebian .deb available outside of extras testing?	23:49
woglinde_	?????	23:49
Gadgetoid	want to grab it... but the repos are a little down	23:49
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jebba	yikes. ok tekojo: "I can't verify, as my DNS is still pointing to the old ip number " does this strike any other sysadmins?	23:50
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jebba	http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=473813&postcount=13	23:50
Gadgetoid	need the new ip, could set up a hosts entry	23:50
ruied	Today I had to remove almost all applications (no space left...) to upgrade to maemo 2.2009.51-1, now I was going to install everithing that I need (openvpn remote desktop vnc and others) but the repository is not available . Think I'll have to wait...	23:51
flux	gadgetoid, the old ip isn't responding either	23:51
Stskeeps	jebba: no, that's fairly normal	23:51
Stskeeps	jebba: DNS changes can take up to 72 hours to propogate	23:51
flux	is there a new ip around?	23:51
Gadgetoid	flux... guess its a fail either way as i am pointing to the old	23:52
flux	if they had prepared for this move, they could've changed the dns addresses in a few minutes..	23:52
ifreq	Stskeeps: or longer.. really depends on ISP :)	23:52
Gadgetoid	yup flux.. been there done that	23:52
flux	well, maybe not, but a few hours in any case (because they wouldn't want people banging their servers every minute)	23:52
jebba	Stskeeps: yes. And if it was a system you were adminning, would you, say, know a way or two to workaround that?	23:52
Gadgetoid	never use direct dns if you want a contingent environment	23:53
jebba	they could also have previously set the DNS expire to like 2 minutes or something so propigation would happen quickly. /etc/hosts /etc/resolv.conf, uh, the workarounds just fly at me ;)	23:53
ifreq	jebba: yeah thats the normal prosedure on quich change tasks with DNS	23:54
Stskeeps	jebba: in this particular case working around internal nokia DNS is a lot more difficult than it sounds, and tekojo doesn't have admin rights on maemo.org	23:54
Stskeeps	(intentionally)	23:54
jebba	ifreq: yes. "NORMAL PROCEDURE" nothing majick. Nothing unique. VERY VERY COMMON.	23:54
Gadgetoid	jebba nah they should maintain the dns at a third party provider with the cacpacity to failover or switch insatantly	23:54
Gadgetoid	like a proxy	23:54
jebba	Gadgetoid: ya, yet another way.....	23:54
ifreq	jebba: yeah indeed.	23:54
flux	in any case, the traffic from the previous ip could have been forwarded to the new one for the transition period	23:54
goodwill	jebba: nokia provides dns and peple doing server move do not have as speedy access to it as possible	23:54
jebba	ah, ya, that too. Anyone else got another way this could have been done?	23:55
flux	but at the moment no server is online (?), so I guess all this DNS discussion is moot :)	23:55
jebba	we got about 6 so far....	23:55
goodwill	jebba: patience is cool	23:55
jebba	haha	23:55
Gadgetoid	basically.... they fail at elemantary server management... probably byleaving too much to the dicscretion of a provider	23:55
ruied	isn't there any repository mirrors?	23:55
goodwill	no	23:55
flux	this is just a kickoff for the community mirror of repository.maemo.org?-)	23:55
goodwill	I do not think anyone volunteered to host them yet	23:55
DocScrutinizer	jebba posted link to a very precise explanation not involving any DNS issues	23:55
ifreq	ruied: if yhere would be i would be one mirroring it asap.	23:55
ifreq	goodwill: its not about volunteering.	23:56
Gadgetoid	definitely would be nice to have a mirror	23:56
* Stskeeps goes relax on the couch		23:56
ifreq	its not hard to add by hand backup repo on n900	23:56
ifreq	but well. if its not wanted. cant do anythign else :) /me goes sit on couch too (own couch)	23:56
flux	I suppose anyone who wants could just mirror the repository home (once its up)	23:56
jebba	ruied: ifreq: I started a thread about Mirroring on maemo-devel. It's very instructive....	23:57
flux	although that will cause a lot of load initially to the server..	23:57
jebba	flux: i do have a mirror here: http://espejo.freemoe.org/repository.maemo.org/	23:57
ifreq	jebba: okay goodie.	23:57
flux	jebba, aren't you worried you might get overhelmed with traffic?	23:57
Gadgetoid	jebba ..... really???	23:57
Gadgetoid	how recent... i want easydebian	23:57
DocScrutinizer	actually Mozillion posted link to a very precise explanation not involving any DNS issues	23:58
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jebba	but it only mirrors maemo, not the nokia repos. Just mirrors "free"	23:58
DocScrutinizer	[2010-01-16 22:46:23] <Mozillion> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=476503&postcount=35	23:58
wackl	can someone recommend a upnp media server? so far i tried fuppes and ushare, but both don't support video resizing...	23:58
redeeman	you want to scale the video down?	23:58
jebba	looks like lists.maemo.org is down too (but may be my crap connection here)	23:58
wackl	redeeman: yes	23:59
ruied	jebba: I've tried it but didn't work for me... ("fail to update")	23:59
jebba	flux: not worried about overflow of traffic, no.	23:59
jebba	ruied: tried what?	23:59
wackl	redeeman: as i understand the default media player on the n900 does not support videos > 848x480	23:59
redeeman	wackl: theres one called maemo media server i believe	23:59

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