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| bobbyd | so | 00:01 |
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| bobbyd | I might be being a dumbass, but I can't find out where you download the images from :) | 00:01 |
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| Stskeeps | tablets-dev.nokia.com | 00:01 |
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| bobbyd | ta | 00:02 |
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| tigert | but if you just want the sw update, you dont need amn image | 00:03 |
| tigert | just run update from application manager | 00:03 |
| SpeedEvil | tigert: it's regionalised | 00:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | not everyione gets the update at once | 00:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | plus - flashing can be easier than uninstalling apps/... | 00:04 |
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| mikhas | yeah | 00:04 |
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| tigert | yea, valid points too | 00:05 |
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| tigert | just pointed out flashing is not mandatory | 00:05 |
| tigert | gnite! | 00:05 |
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| Gadgetoid | humm | 00:06 |
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| SyncA | evening | 00:07 |
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| Gadgetoid | ahoy | 00:08 |
| ar | hi | 00:08 |
| Gadgetoid | new fw seems... better | 00:08 |
| wazd | looks like maemo.org is down :( | 00:09 |
| evo | I guess that browser not showing status bar in portrait mode is a known bug, right? | 00:09 |
| Gadgetoid | for a start my sim card now works | 00:09 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: or slow | 00:09 |
| SyncA | new firmware seems ok | 00:09 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: either that, or you crashed it | 00:09 |
| Gadgetoid | its known i think evo | 00:09 |
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| ar | Any suggestions for a programm that can read .rtf? | 00:09 |
| SyncA | Gadgetoid, thats a fun start for a phone;-) | 00:10 |
| Gadgetoid | the menu doesn't work either? | 00:10 |
| ar | Perferably free and not word to go. | 00:10 |
| SyncA | evo, that's why it's an easther egg and not a feature I guess | 00:10 |
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| evo | SyncA: ok, thanks :) | 00:11 |
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| bobbyd | hi, does anyone know what the difference between the GLOBAL and UK maemo5 images? British English perhaps? | 00:11 |
| SyncA | but it's promising if you like tu use portrait | 00:11 |
| Gadgetoid | evo how do yae turn it on again? | 00:11 |
| RST38h | Imperial British English | 00:11 |
| SyncA | ctrl shift o | 00:12 |
| bobbyd | :) | 00:12 |
| Gadgetoid | cheers synca | 00:12 |
| bobbyd | the best kind | 00:12 |
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| Gadgetoid | hmm | 00:13 |
| Gadgetoid | fail! | 00:14 |
| evo | yesterday I was on train testing the speed with ecoach while ssh'ing to a university server and listening to music ... god, I love my n900, perfect nerd gadget :P | 00:15 |
| RST38h | wazd: Hey, I have seen 3G today! even 3.5G when switching to data | 00:15 |
| mikhas | you were testing the speed of a train? | 00:15 |
| RST38h | wazd: Apparently, spots are starting to appear in Krylatskoe | 00:15 |
| evo | mikhas: I'm a train nerd, I know it sounds weird | 00:15 |
| pcfe | how can I see with what ./configure flags a package from Extras (testing) was using when the package in the repo was buiilt? (In this case I am looking to track down why xchat will not use the system wide clicky GUI certificate store where I imported a CA file so I can check a self-made (but properly signed) cert) | 00:16 |
| wazd | RST38h: wow | 00:16 |
| evo | mikhas: 302 km/h top speed, 220 average lol | 00:16 |
| wazd | RST38h: HSDPA? | 00:16 |
| RST38h | wazd: Guess so | 00:16 |
| mikhas | but what did the test say? | 00:16 |
| mikhas | =p | 00:16 |
| Gadgetoid | woohoo bailout tax on banks | 00:17 |
| niekt0 | uff, just adding extras-devel costs 10MB on / | 00:17 |
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| evo | mikhas: I just wanted to see if it really reached the 300 km/h as advertised | 00:17 |
| torrancew | anyone run the maemo 5 update today? | 00:17 |
| Klowner | yup | 00:17 |
| Gadgetoid | yes torrancew | 00:17 |
| mikhas | ah, success | 00:17 |
| torrancew | did you have to use the PC software? | 00:17 |
| Gadgetoid | yes but no | 00:17 |
| nomis | ~help-update | 00:17 |
| infobot | help-update is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting | 00:17 |
| Gadgetoid | it asked me to- i ignored it | 00:18 |
| torrancew | thanks | 00:18 |
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| torrancew | running linux, no real plans to use that software | 00:18 |
| niekt0 | I found easier reflashing my device than updating;) | 00:18 |
| el_zilcho | haha, few reboots, a few more apt-get -f installs, a few more dpkg --configure -a's and my upgrade is done | 00:19 |
| fdv | probably a moot question, but are there any reasons *not* to upgrade n900? like e.g. some locking-out of 3rd. party repositories or something? | 00:19 |
| el_zilcho | :) | 00:19 |
| el_zilcho | i wonder if the reboot command is safe now | 00:19 |
| wazd | RST38h: e63 doesn't have 3.5G ironically :D | 00:19 |
| evo | cool, apt-get moo works on n900, too | 00:19 |
| wazd | RST38h: only UMTS | 00:19 |
| fdv | also, I'm seemingly able to upgrade from apt, but the application manager doesn't report any upgrades, has anybody seen this? | 00:20 |
| fdv | (apt-get, that is) | 00:20 |
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| SyncA | evo, cool! that speed test, with wich app did you do that? gonna try that as well! | 00:21 |
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| evo | SyncA: I used ecoach, it should be used to monitor your running sessions but .. it worked great, heh | 00:22 |
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| * SyncA is opening up app manager | 00:23 | |
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| torindel | fdv: its fine here, updated today | 00:24 |
| evo | SyncA: it creates a .gpx file, I think you can import into other apps | 00:24 |
| evo | SyncA: GPS apps I mean | 00:24 |
| fdv | torindel: thanks | 00:25 |
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| wazd | RST38h: I'm temporary done with Marina for now, looking at NeXTSTEP UI right now :) | 00:26 |
| xorAxAx | so, there is no away state. but what should i do if the phone is running at night but i am sleeping? | 00:26 |
| xorAxAx | wazd: is marina good? | 00:26 |
| wazd | xorAxAx: da best :) | 00:26 |
| xorAxAx | wazd: where can i get it? | 00:26 |
| torindel | fdv: as for reasons not to upgrade? no, using not tested apps from custom repos? yes ;] | 00:26 |
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| wazd | xorAxAx: I'm trying to upload it to extras | 00:27 |
| wazd | xorAxAx: but maemo.org is down for a while | 00:27 |
| wazd | xorAxAx: http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/12/24/2010-ui-countdown-7-%E2%80%93-marina-theme/ | 00:27 |
| torindel | fdv: and watchout what you install if you use testing/devel repos since i found things that error out on uninstall ;p | 00:28 |
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| fdv | whoopsie | 00:28 |
| fdv | I've disabled devel for the upgrade, but maybe I should disable testing as well | 00:29 |
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| pupnik | beautiful wazd | 00:29 |
| torrancew | wazd: oh, it's not just my company's dns then | 00:30 |
| fdv | torindel: but did you use the app manager or cli? | 00:30 |
| torindel | app manager | 00:30 |
| torrancew | we've been having issues for a while, so i thought maemo.org was just another one of them | 00:30 |
| fdv | hm. weird. I can't see any update there | 00:30 |
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| fdv | apt-get upgrade presents me with an extensive list, though | 00:30 |
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| wazd | pupnik: thx | 00:30 |
| pwnguin | so how much space do i need on rootfs to upgrade ota? | 00:30 |
| pwnguin | 90MB? | 00:30 |
| nomis | pwnguin: that is sufficient. More like 75MB or so. | 00:31 |
| pwnguin | hmm | 00:31 |
| pwnguin | i only have 53, and im not sure what i can cut | 00:31 |
| xorAxAx | wazd: i dont see a download link | 00:31 |
| torindel | fdv: i updated about 4 things today including Maemo 5 | 00:31 |
| wazd | xorAxAx: yeah, cause you can't download it right now, it's being processed to Extras atm | 00:32 |
| evo | bye | 00:32 |
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| xorAxAx | wazd: whats the package name? | 00:33 |
| fdv | torindel: ok. maybe it's because I have another list file under sources.list.d | 00:33 |
| Gadgetoid | pymaemo-optify eh? | 00:33 |
| torindel | fdv: try with orginal one ;] | 00:33 |
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| fdv | trying now :) | 00:34 |
| fdv | nope | 00:34 |
| fdv | oh, well. cli is fine, I hope :) | 00:34 |
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| torindel | fdv: in worst case you can always reflash -__- | 00:35 |
| pwnguin | /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive could probably be cut down... | 00:35 |
| nomis | pwnguin: also try apt-get clean and apt-get autoclean. | 00:35 |
| pwnguin | nomis: already did | 00:35 |
| fdv | torindel: yeah, I backup up the photos :) | 00:36 |
| fdv | the list got a lot shorter after removing testing, btw. thanks for the tip :) | 00:36 |
| wazd | xorAxAx: it's NOT in extras right now | 00:36 |
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| niekt0 | hmm, moving 20MB from /var/lib/dpkg/info freed only 2MB, this must be massively hardlinked | 00:38 |
| xorAxAx | wazd: i know | 00:38 |
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| xorAxAx | niekt0: compressed | 00:38 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nite | 00:42 |
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| xorAxAx | so, there is no away state. but what should i do if the phone is running at night but i am sleeping? | 00:44 |
| pupnik | pwnguin: i got online update with <41MB free today | 00:44 |
| fdv | uhm. does the app manager use somewhere else than /var/cache to download packages to? It's way too small | 00:45 |
| xorAxAx | i guess one would have to switch all services to off | 00:45 |
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| pwnguin | pupnik: well it keeps telling me i need to use the damn PC tool | 00:45 |
| pupnik | errors in editing rx-51 xkb file seem to have eliminated ability to boot | 00:45 |
| xorAxAx | pwnguin: because of conflicts | 00:45 |
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| mikhas | niekt0, reboot the device to regain the freed blocks | 00:45 |
| pupnik | it would be nice if maemo6 could boot to last-known-good-state | 00:46 |
| SplasPood | hrm, I thought the firmware update was supposed to be OTA? It keeps tellin me I need to install via NSU | 00:46 |
| nomis | ~help-update | 00:46 |
| infobot | help-update is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting | 00:46 |
| SplasPood | nomis: danke, sorry for the FAQ | 00:46 |
| SyncA | splaspood it seems to be due to devel apps | 00:46 |
| SplasPood | def have a bunch of those | 00:46 |
| nomis | SplasPood: np. | 00:46 |
| Gadgetoid | ooo digging pymaemo-optify | 00:46 |
| nomis | pymaemo-optify creatively abuses mounting :) | 00:47 |
| xorAxAx | pwnguin: tryy apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 00:47 |
| Gadgetoid | nomis hahaha too true | 00:47 |
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| Gadgetoid | it spams the hell out of my df output | 00:47 |
| SyncA | pymaemo was pushed to my device as an update, is it a systemfile or a devel app? | 00:48 |
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| pwnguin | xorAxAx: package not found? | 00:49 |
| niekt0 | ok, it safe to link /var/cache/apt and /var/lib/apt/lists/ but not /var/lib/dpkg/info;) | 00:49 |
| xorAxAx | pwnguin: then something is seriously broken | 00:50 |
| MaemohammadAG | niekt0, yeah | 00:50 |
| xorAxAx | pwnguin: or you have a typo | 00:50 |
| pwnguin | xorAxAx: what repo is it in? | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | reative abuse?.gimme details ;-P | 00:51 |
| xorAxAx | https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com | 00:51 |
| pwnguin | xorAxAx: ovi? | 00:52 |
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| xorAxAx | pwnguin: no | 00:52 |
| xorAxAx | the main software repo | 00:52 |
| pwnguin | updates? | 00:52 |
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| Aranel | How can I create themes for Maemo? | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well. 2 topics for today's night: 1) let Stskeeps teach me how to create a *flashable* backup. 2) implemet ruskie's augmented partitioning (and maybe even exploit new bootmenu.sh hook) | 00:54 |
| pwnguin | xorAxAx: you missed a 002 | 00:54 |
| pwnguin | mp-fremantle-002-pr | 00:54 |
| SyncA | is there anyone with kernel knowladge that can have a look at my post on maemo5 forum? | 00:54 |
| Aranel | new transition effects are waay bad :/ Can I revert back to old ones? | 00:54 |
| xorAxAx | pwnguin: then you have a different repo than me, maybe because you are not in europe, are you? | 00:55 |
| pwnguin | xorAxAx: im in the US | 00:55 |
| xorAxAx | pwnguin: see, thats likely the reason :) | 00:56 |
| xorAxAx | pwnguin: is your 002 package installed? | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | please helpme out. what's transitions? | 00:56 |
| niekt0 | btw: is there any significand difference between US and global version of firmware? | 00:56 |
| pwnguin | xorAxAx: Installed: 1.2009.44-1.002 Candidate: 2.2009.51-1.002 | 00:56 |
| SyncA | DocScrutinizer51, its an app to change the transition between landscape and portrait info on maemo.org | 00:57 |
| pwnguin | xorAxAx: apparently i dont have enough space for the apt-cache =/ | 00:58 |
| xorAxAx | pwnguin: and apt-get install on that package would work? (and ask for yes)? | 00:58 |
| pwnguin | xorAxAx: not enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives | 00:58 |
| xorAxAx | ok | 00:58 |
| xorAxAx | then move it to opt :) | 00:58 |
| xorAxAx | with a symlink | 00:58 |
| pwnguin | what i dont get is why i have to do this when nobody else seems to | 00:59 |
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| Gadgetoid | yahhr does ye olde irc bot know where the changelog is? | 00:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | pwnguin: seems quite some ppl do | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I did but didn't help to free the needed 42MB | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | today | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so now I'm in for a radical solution | 01:00 |
| Gadgetoid | pwnguin i had to apt-get dist-upgrade | 01:00 |
| Gadgetoid | took 30mins for me with a brief stop to dpkg configure when i ran out of space | 01:01 |
| SyncA | DocScrutinizer51, you disabled the repos? | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | err nope iirc | 01:02 |
| pwnguin | alright. wonder what i should do with the existing apt/archives/ files | 01:03 |
| SyncA | or are you having all the apps available + a fair share not available yet? | 01:03 |
| SyncA | if you disable all repos accept th nokia update you free up allot of space in rootfs | 01:04 |
| Gadgetoid | pwnguin ... mv /var/cache/apt /opt/apt-cache ? | 01:05 |
| Gadgetoid | ln -s /opt/apt-cache /var/cache/apt | 01:05 |
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| Gadgetoid | then apt-get install pymaemo-optify | 01:06 |
| mece | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1 | 01:08 |
| Gadgetoid | icon cache outright removed... interesting | 01:08 |
| Gadgetoid | i always optify my icon cache | 01:09 |
| ivan4th | Woohoo!!! my repartitioned phone booted ok after installing PR1.1 via apt-get (over ssh) and fixing boot scripts before rebooting! I was REALLY expecting the brick!!! | 01:09 |
| xorAxAx | ivan4th: congrats. how did you modify the scripts so quickly? | 01:09 |
| xorAxAx | ivan4th: because it disables all applications and wifi/ssh, right? | 01:10 |
| Target | hehe congrats, anyone tried dualbooting mer or android yet on N900? Should be possible with new bootloader.. | 01:10 |
| pwnguin | android? | 01:10 |
| Target | yeah, it was possible on the previous internet tablets | 01:11 |
| pwnguin | somehow i doubt android supports the n900 cell radio | 01:11 |
| Target | phonestack seems to be inaccesible from other OSes though | 01:11 |
| ivan4th | xorAxAx: no, apt-get doesn't disable anything. I was even silly enough to do it all over wifi. But it didn't go offline either | 01:11 |
| Gadgetoid | wait.. the n900 is a phone?? | 01:11 |
| Target | yeah, its closed by Nokia | 01:11 |
| t7g__ | Not sure they have the rights to just release the source to the phone stack though, could be code from other places that aren't so nice about it. | 01:12 |
| xorAxAx | ivan4th: ah, you used apt-get | 01:12 |
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| Target | ivan4th: it did disable all connections for me during update | 01:12 |
| mece | pwnguin, if it's not allowing you to install from ham, remove quake3, qt4-phonon, qt4-webkit if you have them and try again. | 01:12 |
| xorAxAx | Target: there is ofono | 01:12 |
| Target | used apt-get as wel | 01:12 |
| mece | ham installation requires less rootfs space apparently. | 01:12 |
| ivan4th | Target: I think it was application manager. I didn't use it | 01:12 |
| ivan4th | sorry | 01:12 |
| ivan4th | strange | 01:13 |
| pwnguin | mece: i know i got rid of qt4-phonon and webkit | 01:13 |
| ivan4th | Target: maybe I'm just lucky... I did use GNU Screen to be able to reattach the session just in case though | 01:13 |
| mece | pwnguin, and it didn't work apparently? | 01:13 |
| pwnguin | mece: it didnt free enough space | 01:13 |
| mece | ooh | 01:14 |
| mece | . | 01:14 |
| mece | :) | 01:14 |
| pwnguin | mece: im pretty sure i also removed q3 | 01:14 |
| mece | how much do you have? | 01:14 |
| pwnguin | like 53 | 01:14 |
| pwnguin | maybe 54MB | 01:14 |
| mece | pwnguin should be plenty | 01:14 |
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| mece | for ham installation | 01:14 |
| pwnguin | mece: unless you live in the US | 01:14 |
| Target | xorax: check http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39400 for ofono info, sweet :) | 01:14 |
| mece | pwnguin, orly? | 01:14 |
| pwnguin | mece: from what i can tell, we have a different firmware | 01:15 |
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| mece | pwnguin, the us version bigger? | 01:15 |
| Target | so android + phone support is a possibility? do i understand that correct? | 01:15 |
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| pwnguin | mece: or pulls in more packagegs | 01:15 |
| xorAxAx | Target: if somebody starts integrating it, sure | 01:15 |
| Target | that is just so incredibly awesome :D | 01:16 |
| pwnguin | mece: i need 90MB in apt cache it seems | 01:16 |
| mece | pwnguin, makes no sense, but if it says it needs more space.. | 01:16 |
| pwnguin | mece: so i told apt to use a dir on the eMMC | 01:16 |
| mece | pwnguin, ham doesn't use apt cache | 01:16 |
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| pwnguin | mece: im sure it stores packages somewhere before installing | 01:16 |
| mece | pwnguin, yes, but not in rootfs. | 01:17 |
| mece | apt cache only affects apt. | 01:17 |
| SpeedEvil | pwnguin: /home/user/MyDocs/.apt-cache-directory | 01:17 |
| pwnguin | SpeedEvil: did something similar | 01:17 |
| SpeedEvil | or some similarly named dir is where it put the 90M download when I let it | 01:17 |
| SpeedEvil | I did not have to configure this. | 01:17 |
| pwnguin | mece: at any rate, HAM refuses to proceed with no reason in mind | 01:17 |
| pwnguin | err, no reason given | 01:18 |
| mece | pwnguin, what does it say then? | 01:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: ping | 01:18 |
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| pwnguin | just says, go flash with NSU | 01:18 |
| SpeedEvil | .apt-archive-cache even | 01:18 |
| mece | pwnguin, that means you have conflicting packages. | 01:18 |
| SpeedEvil | pwnguin: have you seen the howto page? | 01:18 |
| pwnguin | mece: except i dont | 01:18 |
| ivan4th | xorAxAx: btw, after apt-get finished and i fixed the new /etc/event.d/rcS-late using vi, I rebooted the device with 'reboot' command. It went into tight reboot loop with Nokia logo on the white background. I thought it's all over (brick), but after doing power-off+power-on it booted without any problems | 01:18 |
| mece | if you have too little space it says so. | 01:18 |
| mece | pwnguin, how do you know? | 01:19 |
| pwnguin | mece: ive checked with apt, there's no conflict. it's upgrading as we speak | 01:19 |
| mrmg | o/ | 01:19 |
| mece | pwnguin, apt doesn't care about the conflicts. | 01:19 |
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| mece | pwnguin, well if it's updating, I guess you're set. | 01:19 |
| pwnguin | i assure you, apt resolves or fails conflicts | 01:19 |
| mece | pwnguin, sure does. | 01:19 |
| mece | pwnguin, but ham does more thorough checks i've been told. Hence the problem. | 01:20 |
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| mece | pwnguin, which is not really a problem, since you can use apt instead. | 01:21 |
| pwnguin | mece: im not even sure what that could mean. more thourough checks | 01:21 |
| mece | pwnguin, well it was timeless or konttori who explained it. | 01:21 |
| mece | pwnguin, I don't remember the details. | 01:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | ? | 01:21 |
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| mece | timeless_mbp, we talked about this ham vs apt for updating this morning | 01:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | So - I've just updated today. WHEN ARE NOKIA RELEASING NEXT UPDATE!!! DELABRAKER! | 01:22 |
| wazd | builder failed again :( | 01:23 |
| pwnguin | SpeedEvil: no kidding. i still dont get my *# shortcodes? | 01:23 |
| mece | lol | 01:23 |
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| pwnguin | USSD or bust! | 01:23 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: who is dela? | 01:23 |
| * SpeedEvil finds that you don't have to scroll all the way back in app-list, the app-installer keeps its place in list. | 01:23 | |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: yep that was a listed fix | 01:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | I missed that when going through the fixes. | 01:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | A couple of my minor niggles addressed at least. | 01:24 |
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| mece | what was jaffa's application menu enhancement called again? | 01:25 |
| SpeedEvil | What does alarmd do that cron doesn't? | 01:25 |
| mece | ah yes. catorise. | 01:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: i think alarmd can wake the system up from being 'off' | 01:25 |
| timeless_mbp | can cron do that? | 01:25 |
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| woglinde | jo | 01:26 |
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| grishnav | Does anyone have the changelog for today's maemo update? | 01:26 |
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| toggles_w | SpeedEvil: annoys me | 01:26 |
| mece | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1 | 01:26 |
| grishnav | thanks | 01:27 |
| woglinde | yeah | 01:27 |
| mece | I'm off. goodnight | 01:27 |
| woglinde | update | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | crond shouldn't do that | 01:27 |
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| Asgerlund | hello there :) i would like to say that i am amazed by this os and the possibility to join an irc network from my n900 :D | 01:27 |
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| woglinde | hm home-applet-tutorial | 01:27 |
| grishnav | Asgerlund: What IRC client are you using? | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | system's not supposed to *power up* from cron | 01:28 |
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| derf | SpeedEvil: alarmd confuses users with poor documentation making it impossible to use. | 01:28 |
| derf | cron doesn't do that. | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cron should resume from suspend. luckily we have no suspend on omap platform | 01:29 |
| derf | Well, perhaps not impossible, but it got over my energy threshold of caring. | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or we don't use it | 01:29 |
| SpeedEvil | I also wonder why it uses a couple of meg more RAM than cron | 01:29 |
| Asgerlund | grishnav im using xchat :) you? | 01:29 |
| mrmg | irsii | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: alarmd? MEG??? o.O | 01:31 |
| grishnav | Asgerlund: I haven't installed an IRC client on my n900 yet, that's why I'm curious as to what people are using. :) | 01:31 |
| simula_ | xchat works for me | 01:31 |
| pwnguin | grishnav: can you imagine a telepathy irc client? | 01:31 |
| fnordianslip | xchat ftw | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | seems we need compare alarmd to fso-atd | 01:32 |
| nomis | mhm, it is probably pointless to file a bug against clock, that complains about the lack of a stop-watch and a countdown? | 01:32 |
| el_zilcho | simula_: why are you not enjoying the relaxing tropics? | 01:32 |
| woglinde | lol | 01:32 |
| el_zilcho | i forwarded you a nasa email about some annular eclipse | 01:32 |
| el_zilcho | ftr | 01:32 |
| woglinde | only 50 mb in /var/cache | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so few | 01:32 |
| woglinde | seems I should make a symlink | 01:32 |
| el_zilcho | ok | 01:33 |
| el_zilcho | except i think you're not who i think you are | 01:33 |
| el_zilcho | nm | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nomis: u bet it is | 01:33 |
| el_zilcho | thinking of asimulator | 01:33 |
| Asgerlund | im using xchat and its working perfectly. i would like a slightly bigger screen, but then again you cant get it all ;) i think xchat is in either extras or extrastesting | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if u need stopwatch then compile one for your platform | 01:34 |
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| pwnguin | Asgerlund: if you need a bigger screen, use the tv out ;) | 01:34 |
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| pupnik | i wish for a console-only runlevel | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Asgerlund: try ctrl-CR | 01:35 |
| simula_ | pupnik, some folks have installed gentoo on the n900... | 01:35 |
| nomis | DocScrutinizer51: it is so funny. There seems to be the scheme of "applications can start up with three big icons to let the user choose". And the clock developer going like, "Ok, We need a list of Alarms. And. Uh. Worldclocks, that have no real effect elsewhere. And. And. Uh. A redundant button duplicating the functionality of the first button in the alarm list. Yeah. That is sane." | 01:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Please ignore me about alarmd - I seem to have been slightly confused. | 01:36 |
| woglinde | hi pupnik | 01:36 |
| Asgerlund | haha true pwnguin. ctrl what? and what would that do? :) yeah but my tv sadly only have dvi and hdmi :) | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Asgerlund: major pita of xchat is scrolling in buffer | 01:36 |
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| pupnik | going back to n810 is like widescreen monitor. morning woglinde | 01:36 |
| wazd | ok, builder hates me :( | 01:36 |
| woglinde | wazd hihih | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nomis: ack ;-P | 01:37 |
| mikhas | wazd, all build bots are evil =( | 01:37 |
| ml-N900 | they are | 01:37 |
| wazd | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/h/hildon-theme-layout-5/hildon-theme-layout-5_0.13.2-1+0m5_all.deb Size mismatch | 01:37 |
| ml-N900 | i wrote some myself | 01:37 |
| Asgerlund | and it is sick that you can do file tranfers through xchat as well! | 01:37 |
| SpeedEvil | (I made a list of stuff by Pss, and then looked at teh Virt column. | 01:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Doh | 01:37 |
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| wazd | ~burn himself | 01:37 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 01:37 | |
| pwnguin | ps is not a good measure of ram usage in the presence of shared libraries | 01:38 |
| timeless_mbp | derf: you're kidding right | 01:38 |
| timeless_mbp | to claim that cron documentation doesn't confuse users | 01:38 |
| timeless_mbp | .... nonsense | 01:38 |
| timeless_mbp | and you know it | 01:38 |
| Asgerlund | does anybody know why i cant delete any files? they all say that they are write protected? | 01:39 |
| derf | timeless_mbp: Well, perhaps I should say, I know how to use cron. | 01:39 |
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| nomis | the longer I use cron, the less I understand it. | 01:39 |
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| derf | And I can't make heads or tails of how to get alarmd to do the same things. | 01:39 |
| pwnguin | Asgerlund: media files, or system files? | 01:39 |
| grishnav | pwnguin: IRC + OTR support for XMPP (and... GASP... skype?!?) would be fucking A-MAZ-ING | 01:39 |
| SplasPood | blah, root fs space bites me again :( | 01:39 |
| timeless_mbp | nomis: both stop watch and countdown have been down by third parties | 01:39 |
| SpeedEvil | pwnguin: pss | 01:40 |
| timeless_mbp | but yes, it's pointless | 01:40 |
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| derf | It's probably been a decade or more since I actually looked at cron documentation. | 01:40 |
| timeless_mbp | the ui designers all had access to iPod Touches and iPhones | 01:40 |
| timeless_mbp | they chose to be stupid | 01:40 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, that's unfair | 01:40 |
| Asgerlund | media files and deb packages as well? pwnguin both in documents and downloads folder? | 01:40 |
| SpeedEvil | pwnguin: pss is a better measure as I understand it - /proc/*/smap | 01:40 |
| derf | This is one of the reasons for using something that people already know. | 01:40 |
| timeless_mbp | they were almost certainly ordered not to work on the clock at all | 01:40 |
| timeless_mbp | the clock hasn't really changed since the 770 | 01:40 |
| nomis | timeless_mbp: true, but the clock application would be the point to implement it in a nice and consistent way. | 01:40 |
| wazd | anyone knows what does that error means? | 01:40 |
| timeless_mbp | nomis: oh, i'm not arguing that | 01:40 |
| timeless_mbp | nomis: if you want the clock to do it, please complain to nokia care | 01:41 |
| timeless_mbp | and get your friends to joim you | 01:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | s/m/n/ | 01:41 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: and get your friends to join you | 01:41 |
| nomis | timeless_mbp: I just sometimes don't understand how such descisions happen. | 01:41 |
| timeless_mbp | care is supposed to aggregte complaints | 01:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | nomis: clock is part of a group of applications which iirc was "complementary applications" | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | fsckng umts blackholes | 01:41 |
| timeless_mbp | roughly it was put together quickly and then abandoned | 01:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | the resources were assigned to other tasks | 01:42 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: which means you can only be nice to them? | 01:42 |
| timeless_mbp | minimal maintenance work allowed | 01:42 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: people who no longer exist or are busy doing other things? | 01:42 |
| timeless_mbp | but who only did what they were ordered to do? | 01:42 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 01:42 | |
| nomis | timeless_mbp: I recently met someone from nokia and she asked me for my opinion about the n900. In hindsight I feel a little bad, because I showed her a lot of glaring usability problems... | 01:42 |
| timeless_mbp | thursday (yesterday for me), i want to an Expat forum | 01:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | nomis: what was her job title? | 01:42 |
| nomis | ...and don't get me started about the map application. | 01:43 |
| Asgerlund | pwnguin any idea? | 01:43 |
| timeless_mbp | nomis: which map application? | 01:43 |
| timeless_mbp | i worked w/ sp3000 to fix the clock's map | 01:43 |
| timeless_mbp | but it missed 1.1 | 01:43 |
| nomis | timeless_mbp: not sure, she works in Berlin but I am not sure what division she works in. | 01:43 |
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| wazd | meheheh, I've Rickrolled Murtazin :D | 01:43 |
| nomis | timeless_mbp: the ovi maps. | 01:43 |
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| woglinde | hm former gate5 I guess | 01:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | nomis: nokia is huge | 01:44 |
| pwnguin | Asgerlund: that sounds not good. and you're doing thsi from the device itself? | 01:44 |
| nomis | timeless_mbp: yeah. | 01:44 |
| timeless_mbp | if should wasn't gate5, she could be Qt or ... | 01:44 |
| SplasPood | Can someone explain to me the reasoning behind making / 256MB or so, or point me to something that does? | 01:44 |
| nomis | timeless_mbp: I am not sure, sorry. | 01:44 |
| timeless_mbp | if she's Gate5 and you showed her bugs in Maps, great :) | 01:44 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, i don't really care | 01:44 |
| pwnguin | SplasPood: the flash chip it boots from is 256MB. easy enough | 01:44 |
| timeless_mbp | ideally engineers working on a product are well aware of their flaws | 01:45 |
| timeless_mbp | in which case you should be preaching to the choir | 01:45 |
| SplasPood | pwnguin: oh, hah, for some reason I thought it was just a portion of the whole | 01:45 |
| timeless_mbp | which is probably not particularly useful | 01:45 |
| Asgerlund | pwnguin yes i am just accessing the folders and pressing delete. and no matter what file or folder i try and delete it says it is protected. | 01:45 |
| pwnguin | SplasPood: lemme find a wiki on this | 01:45 |
| pwnguin | http://wiki.maemo.org/Opt_Problem | 01:45 |
| SplasPood | danke | 01:46 |
| timeless_mbp | otoh, it shows that you care | 01:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | which is sometimes useful | 01:46 |
| nomis | timeless_mbp: I have started filing bugs... | 01:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | :) | 01:46 |
| woglinde | hm | 01:46 |
| woglinde | omap3camd | 01:46 |
| ml-N900 | 512MByte OneNAND is quite new, but 1GB is approaching | 01:46 |
| SpeedEvil | awk 'FNR==1{name=$NF}/^Pss/{split(FILENAME,a,"/"); names[a[3]]=name;pid[a[3]]+=$2}END{for(x in pid){print x"\t"pid[x]"\t"names[x];sum+=pid[x]};print sum}' /proc/*/smaps|sort -nk2 | 01:47 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 01:47 |
| * SpeedEvil is unsure why this does not sum to used memory. | 01:47 | |
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| nomis | SpeedEvil: compressing file system? | 01:47 |
| ivan4th | btw I thought that rootfs on OneNAND is much faster than ext2 on eMMC, but in practice after repartioning & moving /usr to eMMC I didn't notice any slowdowns | 01:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | nomis: used RAM | 01:48 |
| nomis | ah sorry. | 01:48 |
| timeless_mbp | ml-N900: and will be quite expensive | 01:48 |
| nomis | ...compressing ram? ;) | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: please don't get me started about poor EE and about poor sw devel not listening to competent EE | 01:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | nomis: no - not RAM | 01:48 |
| timeless_mbp | increasing cost for products is not typically a goal of nokia | 01:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | ivan4th: you managed to move the entire /usr to the eMMC? | 01:49 |
| woglinde | hm oh wasnt aware eglibc is used | 01:49 |
| hardaker | ruh oh.... bricked my phone I think. | 01:49 |
| niekt0 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7972 | 01:49 |
| povbot | Bug 7972: Kernel in PR1.1 build-depends on fiasco-gen which is nowhere to be found | 01:49 |
| hardaker | anyone know how to turn on boot text during boot? | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless: you see, on OM I'm waiting a year(!) now for kernel devels to implement WSOD fix I suggested | 01:49 |
| niekt0 | hardaker> you need own/modified kernel | 01:49 |
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| pwnguin | hardaker: ive seen suggestions to edit the bootloader but uh, too late for that | 01:49 |
| hardaker | grr... | 01:50 |
| hardaker | you'd think they'd have a boot check for that. | 01:50 |
| niekt0 | hardaker:> for example http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Kernel#Installing_my_custom_kernel which is problematic right now | 01:50 |
| lardman | oh the pain of trying to compile python packages | 01:50 |
| nomis | timeless_mbp: oh, I just realize that the update did some good things for the map application. | 01:50 |
| hardaker | diagnostics mode or something. | 01:50 |
| timeless_mbp | nomis: which update? | 01:50 |
| timeless_mbp | and which map? | 01:50 |
| ml-N900 | If the chips were pin compatible and the underfill npt too strong, I'd see about borrowing our SMD rework station... (just kidding) | 01:50 |
| * hardaker wonders if it was the partial update that bricked it. | 01:50 | |
| nomis | timeless_mbp: to 51.1. Still the ovi maps thing. | 01:50 |
| timeless_mbp | yes 51-1 made ovi maps suck a little less | 01:51 |
| timeless_mbp | it's still wrong side up | 01:51 |
| w00t | wrong side up? | 01:51 |
| niekt0 | hardaker> major update | 01:51 |
| SpeedEvil | ml-N900: underfill isn't often used in these sorts of apps | 01:51 |
| nomis | at least now there is an "x" in the title bar instead of these weird five dots that behave unexpectedly. | 01:51 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t: when you use a map, do you typically go north or south? | 01:51 |
| timeless_mbp | nomis: have you tapped the bottom right corner yet? | 01:51 |
| ml-N900 | SpeedEvil: if not, I know some people who would be happy to hear that... | 01:52 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t: if you typically go north, do you want a big object sitting in the way of where you're going? | 01:52 |
| w00t | timeless_mbp: I see | 01:52 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t: or put another way | 01:52 |
| nomis | timeless_mbp: yeah. | 01:52 |
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| w00t | timeless_mbp: I'm rather used to google maps tbh :-) | 01:52 |
| hardaker | niekt0: yeah, it tried to update 3 things (one being the major maemo bundle) and complained about not enough disk space, so I removed a few things and rebooted. It had already updated the other lame things (tutorial, and something else) | 01:52 |
| timeless_mbp | do you usual want all of your dashboard gauges to occupy the portion of the windscreen showing where you're driving | 01:52 |
| timeless_mbp | so you can't see the car in front of you, so you can crash into it in blissful ignorance :) | 01:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | in map turns, that's so you can miss the critically important intersection/turn because it was covered by a box. | 01:53 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t: have you installed maemo-location or whatever it is? | 01:53 |
| SpeedEvil | ml-N900: I may be wrong - but AIUI it's only for really large chips. | 01:53 |
| nomis | heh, they use the "back" arrow for the options thing, but a "map" icon for the places and routes. | 01:53 |
| w00t | timeless_mbp: I can't remember, probably | 01:53 |
| SpeedEvil | ml-N900: that generate lots of heat. | 01:53 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t: the one that lets you use gps w/ google maps in the browser :) | 01:54 |
| SpeedEvil | ml-N900: I haven't yet soldered on my n900. | 01:54 |
| w00t | yes, then | 01:54 |
| timeless_mbp | maemo-geolocation | 01:54 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry | 01:54 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm quite happy about it :) | 01:54 |
| pwnguin | goes google maps use geolocation? | 01:54 |
| SpeedEvil | pwnguin: it can | 01:54 |
| timeless_mbp | pwnguin: if you install maemo-geolocation, yes | 01:54 |
| w00t | ovi's foot navigation (at least) is on fucking crack, btw. | 01:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | you just tap the dot near the zoom buttons | 01:54 |
| w00t | it gets me there, sure, but it takes the weirdest damn routes :P | 01:54 |
| pwnguin | huh, i figured they'd leave that as an incentive to buy android | 01:54 |
| timeless_mbp | flickr too iirc | 01:54 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t: if you have amusing examples, please file bugs | 01:55 |
| timeless_mbp | preferably w/ proper steps to reproduce | 01:55 |
| timeless_mbp | (don't include gps coords, do include specific start+end points) | 01:55 |
| w00t | timeless_mbp: they're not too odd for an application really | 01:55 |
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| SplasPood | how much space is needed to install the update? | 01:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Myuch of it is not a ovi maps problem. | 01:55 |
| SpeedEvil | It will be a data quality problem. | 01:56 |
| w00t | (as in, I've never seen a router give me directions that were as good as a person's) | 01:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Which is probably mostly pulled from teleatlas/* | 01:56 |
| pwnguin | SplasPood: in my experience 90MB =( | 01:56 |
| woglinde | SplasPood you can workaround the cache | 01:56 |
| woglinde | http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space | 01:56 |
| SplasPood | hrm.. good point | 01:56 |
| SplasPood | yea, I forgot about that section | 01:56 |
| * timeless_mbp looks for andrew black | 01:56 | |
| SpeedEvil | you do _not_ need 90M free | 01:56 |
| SplasPood | (keep gettin distracted at work) | 01:56 |
| SplasPood | been waitin all day to do this :) | 01:56 |
| w00t | oh, while I remember | 01:56 |
| w00t | anyone here a midori user? | 01:56 |
| SpeedEvil | It works by installing lots of little packages. And caches them into MyDocs before it uses them | 01:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | I had ~44M free when I upgraded | 01:57 |
| w00t | it seems to enjoy segfaulting on startup for me and I'm not sure why, nor who to contact about it | 01:57 |
| SplasPood | I'm at 37.6 | 01:57 |
| w00t | (if it's reproducable) | 01:57 |
| hardaker | I'd give you my script to calculate the biggest packages under /... but it's no my dead phone. | 01:57 |
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| SplasPood | hardaker: hah, yea that'd be helpful :) | 01:57 |
| hardaker | I worked well. I used it to figure out what sucked up the most space on my device. | 01:57 |
| hardaker | assuming I can ever boot it again, I'll be happy to send it along (sigh) | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: same here | 01:58 |
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| w00t | nobody, anybody? | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | had to ininstall rounabout 2 dozen apps | 01:59 |
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| woglinde | hm new dsplibs too | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | woglinde: hmÄ | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ? | 02:01 |
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| woglinde | apt-cache search dsplibs | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | what,s that? | 02:03 |
| pwnguin | probably the firmware for the dsp, or a library to access it | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | audio? | 02:04 |
| pwnguin | and video? | 02:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah | 02:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | Smell! | 02:06 |
| woglinde | argssssss | 02:08 |
| woglinde | No space left on device | 02:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | woglinde: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Ruskie#Repartitioning | 02:09 |
| * lardman curses libraries that include FORTRAN for seeming to take an awfully long time to compile | 02:10 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | lardman: ADA, much better | 02:10 |
| lardman | pah! | 02:11 |
| lardman | FORTRAN is the one and only ;) way to do mathematics... apparently | 02:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | bah. COBOL here | 02:11 |
| lardman | lol | 02:12 |
| woglinde | hihi | 02:12 |
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| lardman | hey woglinde | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ADD 5 TO 7 GIVING X | 02:12 |
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| shinkamui | holy backne batman! | 02:12 |
| lardman | yeah, I can't see myself writing FE code with that ;) | 02:13 |
| shinkamui | the update pr1.1 was today? | 02:13 |
| shinkamui | I just saw a 90meg update that apparently requires the pc to update | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | DIVIDE X BY 5 GIVING R REMAINDER FRAC | 02:13 |
| woglinde | hm one hour for update | 02:13 |
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| woglinde | thats bad | 02:13 |
| Vratha | hi | 02:13 |
| shinkamui | has anyone been able to to the update ota? | 02:14 |
| Vratha | mine is downloading now | 02:14 |
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| woglinde | shinkamui I am running it | 02:14 |
| Vratha | i was using the Nexus One at work and didn't have a chance to get this until now | 02:14 |
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| Vratha | woglinde: did they do much to improve the UI? | 02:14 |
| shinkamui | woglinde, mine fails | 02:14 |
| woglinde | I said I run the upgrade | 02:14 |
| shinkamui | when I download it it says this update must be applied from a pc | 02:14 |
| woglinde | shinkamui -> http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space | 02:15 |
| Vratha | what i want to do is install starcraft on it :) | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | shinkamui: accomplished | 02:15 |
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| TTilus | shinkamui: did yo do PR1.0.1? | 02:15 |
| shinkamui | yes | 02:15 |
| shinkamui | I have pr 1.01 | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~help-update | 02:15 |
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| infobot | help-update is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting | 02:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~tell shinkamui about help-update | 02:16 |
| Vratha | is the infobot running on an n900? :-P | 02:16 |
| shinkamui | thanks doc, Im reading it now | 02:16 |
| TTilus | hum, then | 02:16 |
| shinkamui | well it can't be not enough space in the apt archive | 02:17 |
| shinkamui | I relinked that a long time ago | 02:17 |
| Vratha | downloaded the update. now it's applying the update | 02:18 |
| Vratha | hopefully all goes well | 02:18 |
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| woglinde | vratha now you can go eat | 02:18 |
| woglinde | last half an hour the update | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | FIRST: Pr1.1 update seems intended to be applied thru HAM *exclusively* | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | NO apt | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | NO shell | 02:19 |
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| TTilus | lardman: FORTRAN nowhere near mathematics, Prolog is way closer ;) | 02:19 |
| Vratha | woglinde: nice. i've already been stuffing my face :) | 02:20 |
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| Vratha | om nom nom | 02:20 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 queeeks and hides | 02:20 | |
| Vratha | i gotta say i love what they've done with the Nexus One, but I'm hoping solid apps and a refined UI come for maemo | 02:21 |
| Vratha | making phone calls on the n900 isn't the most thrilling experience in the world :'( | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~beat lisp with prolog | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | What's annoying you about the UI? | 02:21 |
| * infobot beats lisp with prolog with a very wet, sticky noodle | 02:21 | |
| SpeedEvil | And have you filed bugs on it? | 02:21 |
| Vratha | no portrait mode. "switch off" on-screen key is right next to the sound profile switcher. skype requires the full country code and can't have a default set | 02:22 |
| lardman | TTilus: depends if you want to think about it or actually do some calcs I guess ;) | 02:22 |
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| Vratha | i filed a bug related to the skype country codes | 02:22 |
| Vratha | oh, and no email search | 02:22 |
| lardman | TTilus: but I'm an engineer anyway, so who cares | 02:22 |
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| Vratha | other than that, it mostly seems alright, except when some app crashes or whatever | 02:22 |
| redeeman | Vratha: theres portrait mode in the dialier | 02:22 |
| Vratha | redeeman: yeah, but i'd like a more consistent use of portrait mode, like, say, when i want to bring up the dialer | 02:23 |
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| Vratha | or if i want to use an on-screen keyboard and text message someone | 02:23 |
| Vratha | things like that | 02:23 |
| Vratha | mainly for when i have to use one hand only, which is more often than you'd think | 02:23 |
| lardman | anyway night all | 02:23 |
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| simula_ | night lardman | 02:24 |
| woglinde | ah | 02:24 |
| woglinde | now at setting up stage | 02:25 |
| shinkamui | damn it | 02:25 |
| shinkamui | it just refuses to install fo rme | 02:25 |
| shinkamui | I might have to flash | 02:25 |
| woglinde | shinkamui hm have you ssh or rootsh installed? | 02:26 |
| shinkamui | and I only have 64bit win7 and 64bit ubuntu systems | 02:26 |
| shinkamui | I have both woglinde | 02:26 |
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| woglinde | whats df saying? | 02:26 |
| shinkamui | do I have to remove one or them | 02:26 |
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| shinkamui | hold on, Im rerunning it one more time after doing an apt-get update at the terminal | 02:26 |
| shinkamui | hoping I had some pending updates that were preventing it | 02:27 |
| woglinde | luckly I only had to delete the packages I installed third party so far | 02:27 |
| woglinde | gdb navit | 02:27 |
| woglinde | libc6-dbg | 02:27 |
| shinkamui | Maemo 5 2.2009.51-1.002 90.0mb | 02:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ADD BREZELKUCHEN TO ANDROMEDA, THEN MOVE CORRESPONDING ANDROMEDA TO ATOM, AFTER SUBTRACT 2 FROM ELECTRON INATOM | 02:28 |
| woglinde | apt-get distupgrade | 02:28 |
| shinkamui | MAemo update: To update your device to this version of the opeating system you must use the Nokia software update application on your pc | 02:28 |
| shinkamui | I thought I shouldn't do the update using the console | 02:28 |
| woglinde | flasher should run with ia32-libs | 02:28 |
| woglinde | ~flasher | 02:28 |
| nomis | Brezelkuchen sounds tasty. | 02:28 |
| infobot | [flasher] http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher | 02:28 |
| shinkamui | waht do you think, distupgrade or try the reflash in a VM | 02:28 |
| shinkamui | my ubuntu box is on a system with very unstable USB | 02:29 |
| shinkamui | devices randomly disconnect, I wouldn't risk it with a flash operation | 02:29 |
| Vratha | 51% complete | 02:29 |
| shinkamui | nothing is plugged into the USB but keybaord/mouse | 02:29 |
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| woglinde | shinkamui dist-upgrade | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | shinkamui: you can't brick N900 | 02:30 |
| woglinde | I had no problems here after the dis was full | 02:30 |
| woglinde | and delete some stuff | 02:31 |
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| pwnguin | what did you delete? | 02:31 |
| shinkamui | ok, Ill try it, worst case scenario, Ill just reflash it in the vm, if that fails, I can always install XP 32bit on this turion laptop I have | 02:31 |
| woglinde | so now lets try reboot | 02:31 |
| pwnguin | woglinde: my damn phone filled up =( | 02:32 |
| woglinde | pwnguin the packages I wrote | 02:32 |
| dockane | raskelisutbogfk4001M | 02:32 |
| woglinde | I didnt installed this much | 02:32 |
| woglinde | from extras | 02:32 |
| shinkamui | woglinde, I just relinked /var/cache/apt/archive to /opt a long time ago | 02:32 |
| shinkamui | I have tons of crap in there now | 02:32 |
| shinkamui | :) | 02:32 |
| woglinde | hm / has now 5mb free | 02:32 |
| shinkamui | it freed up like 70megs on / too | 02:32 |
| shinkamui | also I relink everything I download from extras-dev if its a game | 02:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | woglinde: OUCH | 02:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I just uninstalled all the crap I haven't used for 2 days. can install in bno time any time | 02:34 |
| woglinde | hm ah | 02:35 |
| Vratha | what i do is ride the wave of danger. i push / up past 90% | 02:35 |
| woglinde | now the bootup flash is through | 02:35 |
| Vratha | sometimes i hit 110% when i'm going full throttle | 02:35 |
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| woglinde | yeah phone is up again | 02:36 |
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| Vratha | when it says there's no space left, i just punch in rm -rf / and let it run for a couple seconds. then i cancel the operation and try to find out what i can't do anymore | 02:36 |
| Vratha | it's a wave of danger! my phone and i live life one command at a time | 02:36 |
| woglinde | cratha lol | 02:36 |
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| woglinde | args | 02:37 |
| woglinde | second cam is still in bad state | 02:37 |
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| woglinde | ah after the update i hav 50mb free again | 02:39 |
| Vratha | email seems snappier | 02:39 |
| Vratha | man, the fucking web browser keeps forgetting bookmarks i've added | 02:40 |
| Vratha | wtf | 02:40 |
| woglinde | yeah ovi maps | 02:40 |
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| woglinde | Vratha he didnt you make the backup as suggested? | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | eerks ovi maps | 02:40 |
| Vratha | woglinde: no, in general, the browser forgets bookmarks | 02:40 |
| Vratha | they just don't show in the list anymore | 02:41 |
| Proteous | do the show up on your desktop instead? | 02:41 |
| Vratha | no, i add them to the browser list of bookmarks | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | had 42M free in root before update, 33 now | 02:42 |
| redeeman | i had same free after as before | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I go for | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | woglinde: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Ruskie#Repartitioning | 02:43 |
| pwnguin | ok, so NSU question: do i need mass storage or PC suite mode to flash it? | 02:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | next 24h | 02:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | pwnguin: flashing is unrelated to mass storage | 02:44 |
| pwnguin | so pc suite | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | bbiab | 02:45 |
| pwnguin | lkjasdfl;sjsf | 02:45 |
| pwnguin | "device not supported" | 02:45 |
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| grishnav | pwnguin: weird. works fine for me lulz | 02:46 |
| grishnav | pwnguin: though I haven't tested it yet with PR1.1 | 02:46 |
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| hardaker | ugh. well, at least I know how to flash the phone now. | 02:47 |
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| thomaz | finally got my n900 with internet via usb :) | 02:48 |
| woglinde | waahaah | 02:48 |
| woglinde | QS failed | 02:48 |
| woglinde | at gps-settings | 02:49 |
| Vratha | alright, the ovi maps does look much improved | 02:49 |
| woglinde | cratha yupp | 02:49 |
| ifreq | Vratha: good to hear | 02:49 |
| Vratha | still needs turn-by-turn though, a way to make the text a lot bigger, and proper use of the "blue shift key" | 02:49 |
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| Vratha | i.e. click the "blue shift key", then click "w" and get "2" to appear. right now i have to hold them at the same time for tha to happen in the maps app | 02:50 |
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| pwnguin | Vratha: what if you press and hold w | 02:51 |
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| jebba | hmm, i still don't see the PR1.1 in HAM. Is it still being rolled out to places and hasn't yet arrived? | 02:53 |
| SplasPood | hrm.. after upgrade it doesnt' seem to wanna do DNS resolution | 02:53 |
| jebba | or anyone know which repo it is being fed from? | 02:53 |
| woglinde | jebba as announced step by step | 02:53 |
| woglinde | seems .ar will become it late | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: no problem here | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | standard repos | 02:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | location Germany | 02:54 |
| SplasPood | Anyone had DNS trouble | 02:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | no | 02:54 |
| tripzero | what is maemo doing for voice recognition (if any) ? | 02:54 |
| SplasPood | hrm... | 02:54 |
| SplasPood | Does it store DNS info in /etc/resolv.conf like normal? | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | tripzero: nuttin so far | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | get rich!.:-) | 02:55 |
| ifreq | SplasPood: yeah had today (but thought it was more ISP prob) | 02:55 |
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| jebba | ok, probably gotta wait til tomorrow then. | 02:56 |
| jebba | oh wait, i see it in a apt-get upgrade.... | 02:56 |
| ifreq | SplasPood: tryed to reboot? | 02:56 |
| SplasPood | ifreq: not after the upgrade rebooted.. will try | 02:56 |
| ifreq | had today some prob with 3G/2G.. but wifi was ok.. was def. ISP issue :P | 02:57 |
| SplasPood | yea, this is on wifi for me | 02:57 |
| SplasPood | was workin fine 3 seconds before the upgrade | 02:57 |
| jebba | 1040 upgraded in 90 megs wowza | 02:57 |
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| shinkamui | dfdamn | 02:59 |
| shinkamui | didnt' work | 02:59 |
| shinkamui | gonna have to use the flasher I guess | 03:00 |
| shinkamui | in the VM | 03:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | http://www.google.com/m?q=i+got+me+three+beers+and+a++++clowns | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | night | 03:01 |
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| exes | does Maemo run only on the Nokia platforms? | 03:04 |
| jebba | y | 03:04 |
| shinkamui | lot of people ask that | 03:05 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 03:05 |
| tripzero | should run on anything | 03:05 |
| pwnguin | exes: people have reported running Mer on other platforms | 03:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Wel - yes - if you write a qemu target for the n900, then maemo can run on anything. | 03:05 |
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| woglinde | okay time to go to bed again | 03:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | exes: yes. maemo is nokia. mer is FOSS. see wiki | 03:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLTrGt2Yf6I | 03:15 |
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| nomis | huh, importing a vcard file apparently ignores the UID and duplicates phonebook entries :-/ | 03:15 |
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| hardaker | well, in the end the re-flash, restore from backup process is relatively painless. And ya gotta like the fact that the flash instructions discuss doing it from linux first ;-) | 03:18 |
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| derf | So how do I disable the media scanner? | 03:19 |
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| shinkamui | gotta reboot | 03:21 |
| shinkamui | gonna try XP mode | 03:21 |
| odin_ | can I list all packages installed via a specific repositoriy ? | 03:21 |
| shinkamui | if this doesn't work, Im going to cry | 03:21 |
| shinkamui | I really want pr1.1 | 03:21 |
| shinkamui | is portrait supported? | 03:21 |
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| smegheadz | hello, nice to be able to come here through the wiki | 03:22 |
| odin_ | also my Media Player lost all its indexing (when I did the last minor system software upgrade to 44-1) | 03:22 |
| smegheadz | how are you all? | 03:23 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 hooks up N900 to a Bose 7-1 active stereo to enjoy youtube | 03:23 | |
| pronto | is there a way to edit the tags of songs, so they go to the right artist in the meida player app itself? | 03:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer51, oops, you've just embarrassed yourself. :P | 03:24 |
| smegheadz | i usualy edit all my song tags on my pc with winamp when i'm listening to them | 03:24 |
| pronto | will my media manager on my server handles it fine , with out editing tags | 03:24 |
| odin_ | is it possible to get Media Player to reindex all storage ? | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | with Bose? | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or with tha F.Z. quote? | 03:25 |
| smegheadz | i'm wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction since i'm getting conflicting information | 03:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | anyway. as long as I haven't done nasty to others ... nevermind | 03:26 |
| Jef91 | Hey all, what does it mean if the light on my n900 keeps flashing white? | 03:26 |
| Jef91 | Started after the firmware update this morning | 03:26 |
| smegheadz | i'm in ireland and only way to get the n900 is order online through someone. but alot of people are getting eastern eu models not uk models. just wondering if that will have an effect | 03:26 |
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| Caesium | Jef91: I believe that's just the "device is on" indication | 03:27 |
| Caesium | can turn it off in Settings | 03:27 |
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| grishnav | I don't know who the correct person to thank for fixing imap email on the n900 is, but THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!! | 03:32 |
| pronto | you're welcome | 03:32 |
| pronto | >.> | 03:32 |
| pronto | <.< | 03:32 |
| grishnav | lol <3 | 03:32 |
| pronto | (wasnt me) | 03:32 |
| grishnav | i know :D | 03:33 |
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| pronto | :D | 03:33 |
| grishnav | i got that from the shift eyes :P | 03:33 |
| pwnguin | i hear the front camera is fixed too | 03:33 |
| grishnav | well... | 03:33 |
| pronto | yeah i tested it with that mirror app | 03:33 |
| grishnav | the band on the left side is | 03:33 |
| pronto | its like 40x better | 03:33 |
| pronto | still shittty, but hell of al ot better | 03:33 |
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| pronto | though with 0.3 megapixles i dont know how much better you can get | 03:33 |
| pronto | yeah the band is gone, and it looks better | 03:34 |
| grishnav | my front camera still eats balls | 03:34 |
| grishnav | uhh... the .3mp camera on my hp is crystal clear | 03:34 |
| pronto | compared to before its a lot better | 03:34 |
| grishnav | it's 640x480 (or whatever), but at that resolution, it looks great | 03:34 |
| pronto | heh | 03:34 |
| pronto | and to be honest the 5mp camera on the n900 isnt that good either | 03:35 |
| pronto | though i havent tested that since the update | 03:35 |
| * SpeedEvil adds busybox awk to his hate-list. | 03:35 | |
| grishnav | oh i dunno about that | 03:35 |
| grishnav | i think the 5pm camera produces excellent pictures | 03:35 |
| SpeedEvil | pronto: (1.22*wavelength)/diameter | 03:35 |
| pronto | SpeedEvil: huh? | 03:35 |
| SpeedEvil | The camera lens is some 1.8mm in diameter. | 03:35 |
| grishnav | i mean, it's not comparable to a good dslr with good glass | 03:35 |
| grishnav | but fuck, it's a cell phone | 03:36 |
| pwnguin | hardaker: you promised us a script to detect rootfs pigs | 03:36 |
| grishnav | well, mini computer | 03:36 |
| grishnav | anyway | 03:36 |
| pronto | lol | 03:36 |
| grishnav | it takes pictures that look just about as nice as my point and shoot at 10mp | 03:36 |
| grishnav | and certainly way better than any cell phone camera that i've ever used | 03:36 |
| grishnav | granted, i haven't used the one on the n97 or anything like that :p | 03:36 |
| SpeedEvil | 1.22*(500*10^-9)/.0018 = .00033 radians angular resolution. | 03:37 |
| dockane | its not all about mega pixel but mp/sensor size and optic | 03:37 |
| grishnav | wow. now that I know that my life is complete. | 03:37 |
| grishnav | dockane: i know :p | 03:37 |
| microlith | wow | 03:38 |
| microlith | my front camera is fucked up | 03:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Or another way - a thousand pixels each way is hopelessly optimistic | 03:38 |
| grishnav | microlith: they all are :p | 03:38 |
| microlith | I thought it actually worked with this patch | 03:38 |
| grishnav | SpeedEvil: is that the 5mp or the front cam? | 03:38 |
| SpeedEvil | grishnav: main | 03:38 |
| grishnav | hmm | 03:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - maybe a little more than a thousand. Nothing close to 2. | 03:38 |
| microlith | front cam | 03:39 |
| microlith | the 5mp works great | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Rear cam is an OK 2MP cam IME. | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | In decent light. | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Or if you're in flash range. | 03:39 |
| microlith | front cam can barely display an image | 03:39 |
| dockane | i dont think the 5 mp sensor is much bigger than a strike head | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | microlith: not true. | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | microlith: go in a suny place, and it's merely bad. | 03:40 |
| SpeedEvil | dockane: A what? | 03:40 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - match | 03:40 |
| dockane | sorry.. | 03:40 |
| * dockane can has poor english | 03:40 | |
| dockane | ;) | 03:40 |
| SpeedEvil | np - slightly conused me for a moment. | 03:41 |
| * SpeedEvil needs to go to sleep. | 03:41 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | nah | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | actually the vga cam is 'usable' in bright light | 03:41 |
| SyncA | hi | 03:41 |
| odin_ | can anyone thing of a valid reason why the built in XTerm by default doesn't honor the /etc/passwd shell choice ? | 03:42 |
| odin_ | s/thing/think | 03:42 |
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| grishnav | odin_: because you touch yourself at night | 03:42 |
| grishnav | lol | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | odin_: it does | 03:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | let,s see | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~busybox | 03:43 |
| infobot | i guess busybox is the swiss army knife of embedded linux. It combines tiny versions of many common UNIX utilities into a single small executable. It provides replacements for most of the utilities you usually find in GNU fileutils, shellutils, etc. See http://www.busybox.net/. | 03:43 |
| grishnav | i still don't understand why it mixes it into a single executable | 03:44 |
| grishnav | is it space savings thing or...? | 03:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~busybox also is total crap fucked up beyond all repair | 03:44 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer51: what are you talking about? | 03:44 |
| odin_ | grishnav, yes that is one of the primary goals (exec footprint size) | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~die | 03:45 |
| * infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. | 03:45 | |
| * jaska loots infobots remains | 03:45 | |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: awk breaking on NULs recently annoyed me. | 03:46 |
| odin_ | I hope to release a busyboxless DEB over this weekend... this is a collective DEB which pulls a bunch of DEBs that provide proper GNU tools (these are all shoved into /opt and available from /usr/local and is mainly for interactive shell use, not to replace system functions) | 03:46 |
| Pavlov | can i sync my google contacts to maemo yet? | 03:46 |
| pronto | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orBKkl6x-II lmao apache on n900 | 03:46 |
| odin_ | I already have all the binaries that symlink to busybox built, just working through installer/DEB descriptor (well tomorrows job now) | 03:46 |
| odin_ | also need to do a bit of testing on each and make sure they all work more-o-less as expected | 03:47 |
| nomis | odin_: you can reset the tracker database completely by using "tracker-processes -r". That will lose all information stored in tracker. | 03:47 |
| odin_ | but... for me XTerm is not honoring the /etc/passwd shell field, but OpenSSH server is (of course) | 03:48 |
| grishnav | tracker is runnong on n900? | 03:48 |
| grishnav | no fuckin' way | 03:48 |
| grishnav | how do I use it? | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | odin_: don't miss mandb | 03:48 |
| odin_ | I see: /usr/lib/tracker/trackerd | 03:48 |
| nomis | grishnav: "look at the stuff the media player displays" :) | 03:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | grishnav, it doesn't do full indexing. | 03:48 |
| grishnav | nomis: that's using tracker? I had no idea... | 03:48 |
| nomis | grishnav: yup. | 03:49 |
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| odin_ | DocScrutinizer51, "man" is not provided by busybox... but I will next look at that GNU tools as still missing, that busybox doesn't provide, but which are available on any sane minimal linux install (and man is one)... I already have bzip2, ed, gawk, less (in my personal list built and installed) | 03:50 |
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| nomis | at some point I'll just write some python scripts to influence the sorting of stuff in the media player overview. Grgh. | 03:54 |
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| pwnguin | pronto: apache used to run on hardware much slower than n900 | 03:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | n900 is a cutting-edge desktop class system of maybe 15 years ago | 04:01 |
| ds3 | you are, of course, referring to raw CPU power, I take it? | 04:02 |
| nomis | huh? | 04:02 |
| ds3 | totally ignore the power consumption plague on those systems | 04:02 |
| jaska | 1995? id say a couple years more modern than that | 04:03 |
| nomis | 15 years ago meant 300MHz and hoping that you maybe could playback a mp3. | 04:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, ^ | 04:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Less than 300MHz | 04:03 |
| nomis | yeah, probably. | 04:03 |
| jaska | 15 years ago? 300MHz? i wish | 04:03 |
| microlith | a pentium 75 could play back an mp3 without choking | 04:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pentium II came out in 1997 | 04:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, more like 8-10 years ago. | 04:04 |
| matthew- | 1995 had 233 i think | 04:04 |
| matthew- | no, that was '96 | 04:04 |
| matthew- | no | 04:04 |
| matthew- | 95, right | 04:04 |
| microlith | my p2-400 was tested by throwing Q3A at it | 04:04 |
| matthew- | 96 only did MMX | 04:04 |
| SpeedEvil | ppro was 1995 | 04:05 |
| SpeedEvil | and ppro and arm are probably order of magnitude comparable. | 04:05 |
| odin_ | I say 8 to 10 as well | 04:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, not a Cortex A8 | 04:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cortex is vaguely comparable to PIII | 04:06 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - not counting the otehr cores | 04:06 |
| SpeedEvil | s/desktop/server/ | 04:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | CPU-to-CPU | 04:06 |
| * nomis heads for the bed. Night all. | 04:07 | |
| ds3 | GA: a PIII based celeron might be a better comparism | 04:07 |
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| odin_ | DocScrutinizer51 this XTerm honor's /etc/passwd were you testing that ? before you went into the ~busybox tangent :) | 04:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, indeed. | 04:10 |
| odin_ | nomis, thanks for tracker reset, now when I boot media player I get "Retrieving information on the new media file" "Estimated time remaining: 02:10" (I got this before) also the estimated time keeps going UP ! | 04:12 |
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| odin_ | nomis, should: tracker-status => "Segmentation fault" ? | 04:15 |
| odin_ | oh I read he (nomis) heads for bed, ah well till tomoz | 04:15 |
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| Phantasm | Does anyone know a way to allow adding a widget (showing battery charge level percentage instead of the default bar) as a widget the way normal widgets are added? Currently the widget made by krk969 needs to be manually started to work each time the phone is rebooted. (See http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38749 ) | 04:34 |
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| cyberbaze | hey guys | 04:35 |
| odin_ | hi | 04:37 |
| SplasPood | hrm.. so 3G doesn't give me anything in resolv.conf either, but DNS resolution does work.. | 04:37 |
| odin_ | anything ? don't you have 127.0.0.1 always in resolve.conf and dnsmasq running ? | 04:39 |
| Phantasm | Anyone know how to make x terminal start up as full screen (that is the top bar hidden like the button in bottom bar sets it)? | 04:39 |
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| cyberbaze | following the trend of importing games on maemo, most recently warcraft and starcraft, is there a bluetooth mouse option available? | 04:42 |
| SplasPood | odin_: nada | 04:45 |
| SplasPood | odin_: post upgrade (and numerous reboots) | 04:45 |
| SplasPood | odin_: however, when connected via 3G, things work... when connected via wifi I cannot resolve names | 04:45 |
| SplasPood | dnsmasq is running | 04:47 |
| SplasPood | and remains running on either connection | 04:47 |
| SplasPood | and I can confirm I can ping ips | 04:48 |
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| shinkamui | cyberbaze, whate are you talking about starcraft? You're not referring to the fledgling stargus are you? | 04:51 |
| SplasPood | seems i'm not the only one, trollin talk.maemo | 04:52 |
| SplasPood | looks like it might have been an upgrade problem related to vpnc | 04:54 |
| AndrewFBlack2 | how do you put bugtracker information on maemo.org/packages | 04:57 |
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| SplasPood | yup, that fixed it | 04:59 |
| SplasPood | ahh, and resolv.conf is in /var/run | 05:01 |
| cyberbaze | SplasPood yes i am talking about stargus, and woundering about the option of using bluetooth mouse to play, something similiar to the quake 3 on e90 with bt mouse | 05:01 |
| SplasPood | cyberbaze: misfire, I assume.. | 05:01 |
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| jkimball4 | what's the password to use if i want to sudo something? | 05:08 |
| jkimball4 | on n900 | 05:08 |
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| thomaz | what's the difference between maemo sdk and sdk+? | 05:09 |
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| shinkamui | cyberbaze, prepare to be extremely dissapointed | 05:11 |
| shinkamui | wargus is perfect though, thats totally worth it | 05:11 |
| shinkamui | as for BT mouse support, I couldn't say, I just use the keyboard to issue commands so a single tap is all thats needed | 05:12 |
| shinkamui | and scrolling is done with the mini map. Feel free to post if you have success with a BT mouse | 05:12 |
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| shinkamui | don't see why it wouldn't work if the mouse connects | 05:12 |
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| ShadowJK_ | jkimball4, install rootsh, "sudo gainroot" to get rootshell. | 05:14 |
| jkimball4 | well i don't want to be root. i just want to borrow its powers :) | 05:15 |
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| SplasPood | prolly need to edit sudoers? I didn't bother.. | 05:15 |
| jkimball4 | this package needs to be purged | 05:16 |
| jkimball4 | upgrade messed up this package so i need to figure out how to get rid of it forcefully. | 05:16 |
| SplasPood | sudo gainroot | 05:16 |
| SplasPood | whats the problem.. | 05:16 |
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| pronto | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/personal-menu/ for what ever reason when i try to installt his, i get "application not found" | 05:38 |
| shinkamui | well, the install of the update went well, reflashed and all | 05:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | The only interaction I have with Twitter are the "somebody new is following you" emails I get every so often. . . . | 05:39 |
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| acidjazz | so whats hte current best map app? | 05:46 |
| acidjazz | for finding stuff and getting directions | 05:46 |
| shinkamui | what are the choices I get to vote from | 05:49 |
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| |R | how come the icons are not kept for the contacts after you signoff from an IM ? All my contacts are blank...(blue) | 05:55 |
| grishnav | acidjazz: google maps website with microb geolocation | 05:56 |
| acidjazz | grishnav: url | 05:56 |
| grishnav | ovi sucks and maep is great for wandering around but is not (nor is it supposed to be) a full blow navigation app | 05:56 |
| grishnav | uhh | 05:56 |
| grishnav | google maps is at http://maps.google.com/ | 05:56 |
| acidjazz | just hte whole app itself? | 05:56 |
| acidjazz | thats to much | 05:56 |
| acidjazz | too much | 05:56 |
| acidjazz | tkaes forever | 05:56 |
| grishnav | microb geolocation is here http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/maemo-geolocation/ | 05:57 |
| grishnav | yeah | 05:57 |
| grishnav | it's not great | 05:57 |
| grishnav | hopefully someone will whip up a google maps app soon | 05:57 |
| grishnav | i know a lot of people are barking at google for one | 05:57 |
| acidjazz | yea .. just lookin for something in the meantime | 05:58 |
| odin_ | why on scratchbox is: /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 -> libtermcap.so ?? | 05:58 |
| acidjazz | lol wat | 05:58 |
| ravas | kinda interesting: | 05:58 |
| ravas | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1SLjo7WGug | 05:58 |
| ravas | for goog maps | 05:58 |
| ravas | and maemo-geolocation | 05:59 |
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| acidjazz | maemaps is not too bad | 06:01 |
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| grishnav | meh | 06:02 |
| acidjazz | theres no way to click and drag in the browser is there | 06:02 |
| grishnav | it's not gonna switch me from myt omtom any time soon heh | 06:02 |
| grishnav | yeah | 06:03 |
| grishnav | drag the cursor out from the left | 06:03 |
| grishnav | then tap the cursor icon | 06:03 |
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| siriusnova | is it just me or is the Ovi Maemo store content really depressingly bad | 06:15 |
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| Proteous | angry birds is amazing! | 06:20 |
| Proteous | other than that thought... | 06:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | siriusnova, it was just opened up a few days ago. | 06:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | siriusnova, content doesn't magically appear over night. | 06:20 |
| Proteous | yes it does, you just put your n900 under your pillow and the content fairy fills it with goodies | 06:21 |
| goodwill | Proteous: and if you want to run on maemo yourself just put it on top of your head and the firmware will flow down | 06:23 |
| Proteous | yes, through osmosis | 06:23 |
| Proteous | it's so easy | 06:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Note, Sygic should be releasing a navigation app next week to the Ovi Store. | 06:24 |
| Proteous | hope it's nice | 06:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | UI isn't integrated judging by the screenshots | 06:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | So no better than Ovi Maps there. | 06:25 |
| goodwill | GeneralAntilles: is Sygic good? | 06:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lots of people seem to like it. | 06:25 |
| goodwill | GeneralAntilles: and does one need a data plan for the maps ... | 06:26 |
| goodwill | I'd preffer predownloaded set | 06:26 |
| goodwill | http://www.youtube.com/v/2HWs4nAJaiM&autoplay=1 | 06:26 |
| goodwill | found a video | 06:26 |
| cosmo | siriusnova: yep it's horrible | 06:26 |
| cosmo | now we have app manager and real repos (which are nice) and ovi stori which isn't | 06:27 |
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| goodwill | hmm Sygic has speed cameras alert | 06:28 |
| * GeneralAntilles pokes Sygic about their trademark misuse again. | 06:29 | |
| goodwill | yes!!! preinstalled maps | 06:29 |
| goodwill | GeneralAntilles: trademark? | 06:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | goodwill, they chopped up the maemo.org logo to use as a "maemo" logo. | 06:29 |
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| goodwill | I see | 06:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | The back button on the bottom of the screen is the most irritating part of that application. | 06:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Oops | 06:30 |
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| odin_ | can you got from 44-1 to 51-1 with 'apt-get dist-upgrade' ? | 06:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | odin_, not recommended. | 06:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | odin_, for a variety of reasons. | 06:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most of them pretty good. | 06:30 |
| odin_ | well my N900 seems to have started doing that (as I was following information given in Wiki on freeing up rootfs space) | 06:31 |
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| |R | odin_: didn't have much of a choice, and it worked here | 06:32 |
| odin_ | it downloaded 109Mb into /home and now is trying to apply each one... watching my rootfs space go down and down, at 21.1Mb so far | 06:32 |
| goodwill | my upgrade went without a hitch | 06:33 |
| odin_ | what are the possible failure vectors ? (of this method ?) | 06:33 |
| goodwill | GeneralAntilles: Sygic prices are reasonable I'd say | 06:33 |
| odin_ | can I drop runlevel or something and shutdown X? so I can reclaim shared filespace ? | 06:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | goodwill, too bad they didn't even attempt to integrate the software. | 06:34 |
| goodwill | GeneralAntilles: integrate? | 06:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | goodwill, UI paradigms and guidelines. | 06:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're abusing them | 06:34 |
| * goodwill is looking at screenshots | 06:35 | |
| GeneralAntilles | For some reason companies think users are more interested in having a consistent UI across all of the platforms they support instead of having a a UI that follows the UI guidelines of the platform it's on. | 06:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | This is a large part of why the Ovi Maps' UI sucks so goddamn much. | 06:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | goodwill, see the back/cancel button in the bottom left? | 06:35 |
| |R | sygic is out? | 06:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | goodwill, the X is supposed to turn into a back arrow. | 06:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | |R, 18th, last I heard. | 06:35 |
| goodwill | GeneralAntilles: they are probably going for branding | 06:35 |
| |R | GeneralAntilles: oh ok, same here :) | 06:36 |
| goodwill | GeneralAntilles: any good alternatives you know of? | 06:36 |
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| * goodwill does not like ovi maps | 06:36 | |
| |R | odin_: have you "optified" /var/cache/ ? and/or /var/lib/dpkg ? | 06:37 |
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| odin_ | yes /var/lib/dpkg not /var/cache | 06:37 |
| |R | odin_: oh yes, you said you downloaded all the packages to home :) | 06:38 |
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| |R | odin_: so, is it working? | 06:38 |
| odin_ | but I used: -o dir::cache=/home/user/MyDocs/apt-archive-cache | 06:38 |
| odin_ | yes it appears to be working no error/issues do far, but I am watching my rootfs space go down and down | 06:38 |
| odin_ | I really need to kill off processes to allow the replaced DSOs to be reclaimed on the filesystem | 06:39 |
| |R | mine crapped in the middle, had to optify /var/lib/dpkg ... and after a loop between apt-get -f install and dpkg --configure -a it worked #1 :) | 06:39 |
| odin_ | while 1 or more processes has an open filehandle to a file, the space of the old version/one will not be reclaimed and my rootfs will become full | 06:39 |
| odin_ | can I Ctrl-C it to move /var/cache ? | 06:39 |
| |R | let it crash out of space... | 06:40 |
| |R | have you disabled extra / testing repository ? | 06:40 |
| odin_ | nope | 06:40 |
| |R | this saved me 15MBs... | 06:40 |
| |R | so when it crash, try that, than dpkg --configure -a i guess :) | 06:41 |
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| odin_ | I see lots of Preparing the Unpacking (has the upgrade actually taken place?) | 06:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | goodwill, open up the application manager, tap Navigation. | 06:41 |
| odin_ | s/the/then | 06:42 |
| goodwill | GeneralAntilles: I mean on the market :) | 06:42 |
| |R | odin_: nop, not until you type upgrade and see 0 package to upgrade :) | 06:42 |
| odin_ | is it there a commit phase? | 06:42 |
| |R | yep, "setting up" | 06:42 |
| odin_ | so I can Ctrl-C and it will abort? | 06:42 |
| |R | well... i guess, but why? | 06:42 |
| odin_ | so I can continue reclaiming space | 06:43 |
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| |R | uhm... | 06:43 |
| |R | well why not i guess | 06:43 |
| |R | you'll have to dpkg --configure -a either way | 06:43 |
| |R | I don't think there is much risk this way or when it runs out of space | 06:43 |
| grishnav | the 2 gig rootfs is so retarded | 06:44 |
| |R | 256MB that is :| | 06:44 |
| grishnav | wut? really? | 06:45 |
| grishnav | ugh | 06:45 |
| |R | yeah, the 2GB is for apps | 06:45 |
| gandhii | 2 gigs is retarded too | 06:45 |
| grishnav | nobody is going to put 32 gigs of family photos on their fucking phone | 06:45 |
| grishnav | and if they do, they can use fuckign expansion cards | 06:45 |
| grishnav | there's no reason for those partitions to be so small | 06:45 |
| grishnav | or to be partitions at all for that matter | 06:45 |
| odin_ | can I just copy and move /var/cache and symlink up ? | 06:45 |
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| |R | well the root is on a special memory chip i think | 06:45 |
| Jef91 | Hey All | 06:46 |
| grishnav | oh | 06:46 |
| grishnav | what for? | 06:46 |
| grishnav | faster? | 06:46 |
| |R | not sure though, and not sure either where the swap is | 06:46 |
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| odin_ | Samsung OneNAND | 06:46 |
| |R | or just safer | 06:46 |
| grishnav | i thought it was all just ont he flash | 06:46 |
| odin_ | 256Mb OneNAND (rootfs, kernel, boot) 32Gb eMMC /home /home/user/MyDocs | 06:47 |
| grishnav | what's the difference between the two? | 06:47 |
| |R | and the swap is on the 32GB then? | 06:47 |
| grishnav | and why don't app installs work off the eMMC? | 06:47 |
| odin_ | SWAP is on eMMC and memory another 256Mb is seperate still | 06:47 |
| |R | eMMC is more wear resistant i think? | 06:47 |
| |R | Can't remember... that was 4 months ago ;) | 06:48 |
| odin_ | to confirm "cat /proc/swaps" and see the device name is same as 'df' for eMMC | 06:48 |
| grishnav | sounds like a good reason to have the rootfs on it! lol! | 06:48 |
| |R | ah yes | 06:48 |
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| |R | i was thinking, where is fdisk -l :P | 06:48 |
| odin_ | I have fdisk on mine now :) | 06:48 |
| |R | i guess i could apt-get install cfdisk but don't want to fuck things up right now, it's all working fine (except i need PR1.2 out soon :P) | 06:49 |
| grishnav | so is everything optified by default now? | 06:50 |
| grishnav | keeping in mind I got my device in december and haven't had any rootfs problems yet... yet :p | 06:50 |
| |R | I think dev have to do it properly | 06:50 |
| |R | but that's probably why there is a devel repository | 06:50 |
| grishnav | ugh | 06:51 |
| grishnav | so really, waht's the advantage to the onenand? speed? | 06:51 |
| grishnav | ahahahaha | 06:52 |
| grishnav | conan is laying it on nbc think | 06:52 |
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| odin_ | 42Mn on rootfs now :) yum yum | 06:52 |
| grishnav | thick* | 06:52 |
| odin_ | can I continue/restart the OS upgrade from HAM now ? even though it did something via apt-get on command line ? also when I see "Maemo" in HAM now I'm sure it was 90Mb and now its 74Mb (is this because some stuff got installed?) | 06:54 |
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| odin_ | and is it safe to reboot right now ? given I might have installed 50 out of 1000 packages? | 06:54 |
| grishnav | isn't ham just an interface to the apt repository ala synaptic? | 06:54 |
| |R | odin_: no idea, Aplication manager (What's the H for ?) said i needed some USB / software for backup bla bla... so i forced it down its throat with apt-get ;) | 06:55 |
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| |R | odin_: i would finish | 06:55 |
| grishnav | |R: I believe it's Hildon App Manager | 06:55 |
| |R | oh hildon, right :P | 06:55 |
| |R | so maemo 6 will have QAM ? | 06:55 |
| Jef91 | In order to run qemu does my processor need to support virtualization? | 06:56 |
| grishnav | Jef91: Pretty sure not. Qemu was in use before VT was conceived of :p | 06:57 |
| grishnav | but who knows, i don't use it myself :p | 06:57 |
| Jef91 | grishnav very good - going to set it up on my netbook then (or try to at least | 06:57 |
| odin_ | going to try a reboot... I must be insane | 06:57 |
| grishnav | five minutes from now: odin_: so how do I reflash an N900? | 06:58 |
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| |R | odin_: why? | 06:58 |
| grishnav | lol, just messing | 06:58 |
| |R | haha | 06:59 |
| |R | it'll probably reboot... | 06:59 |
| |R | But... why risk it | 06:59 |
| odin_ | well its taking its time ! | 06:59 |
| odin_ | maybe the desktop is b0rked | 06:59 |
| grishnav | it took mine a while to reboot after the update too | 06:59 |
| |R | but he didn't update | 06:59 |
| grishnav | i assume it'll be faster next time i reboot, or at least i hope so | 06:59 |
| grishnav | oh... | 06:59 |
| grishnav | well | 06:59 |
| grishnav | lol | 06:59 |
| |R | yeah, well i had a progress bar / nokia logo after upgrading | 07:00 |
| grishnav | yeah me too | 07:00 |
| grishnav | i hope that's not a regular feature now | 07:00 |
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| grishnav | otherwise boot time just tripled :( | 07:00 |
| |R | of course not hehe | 07:00 |
| |R | unless i get PR1.2, then 1.3... it's auto evolving ;) | 07:01 |
| odin_ | yep looks fatal | 07:01 |
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| |R | _doh_ | 07:01 |
| grishnav | 4 minutes and 30 seconds, called it! :p | 07:02 |
| |R | ~last --with flasher-3.5 | 07:02 |
| |R | does that even work? hehe | 07:02 |
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| message144 | Well... my n900 was running like a charm until this update that got pushed today. It's a complete disaster... Is there anything i can do? | 07:06 |
| odin_ | I want the "GLOBAL" flash Image for the UK version ? | 07:06 |
| grishnav | what's wrong with it? | 07:06 |
| Jef91 | Anyone know if there is a qemu image of Maemo lurking around anywhere? | 07:06 |
| Jef91 | message144: Reflash it back to the old firmware | 07:06 |
| message144 | Jef91, any hints on how i can do that? Also, how do I find what the previous firmware was? | 07:07 |
| grishnav | the new firmware has been working great for me. they finally added imap mail! | 07:07 |
| goodwill | Jef91: there is vpc image of the sdk ... which I am sure you can convert to a qemu image | 07:07 |
| message144 | grishnav, imap? mine has had that for a month | 07:07 |
| odin_ | I tortured my N900 today... I let it install about 50 packages out of 1000 in the new update and then I rebooted it :) | 07:07 |
| grishnav | message144: you obviously don't have much mail saved... the n900 choked on all my mailboxes | 07:07 |
| goodwill | grishnav: thats been there since the beginning | 07:07 |
| Jef91 | message144 - http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 07:07 |
| goodwill | grishnav: but the new update made it super speedy | 07:08 |
| grishnav | goodwill: just because you can connect to an imap server doesn't mean it's usable. :p | 07:08 |
| Jef91 | goodwill - what is VPC? | 07:08 |
| grishnav | it's usable now :) | 07:08 |
| message144 | well whatever the case, i was pretty excited on my n900 until today.. the thing is incredibly slow now | 07:08 |
| goodwill | grishnav: it was for me | 07:08 |
| grishnav | message144: do you know how to get to an xterm? | 07:08 |
| goodwill | Jef91: Virtual PC | 07:08 |
| message144 | grishnav, yes | 07:08 |
| grishnav | goodwill: yeah, but it wasn't for me. it choked badly and i only have a few hundred thousand messages | 07:08 |
| grishnav | message144: try running top and seeing if something is eating cpu? | 07:09 |
| Jef91 | goodwill - Whats that, never heard of it. Different processor emulation software I take it? | 07:09 |
| goodwill | Jef91: its an emulator by Microsoft | 07:09 |
| Jef91 | oh ack. | 07:09 |
| goodwill | Jef91: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Virtual_PC | 07:10 |
| Jef91 | That explains why I've never heard of/used it before | 07:10 |
| message144 | grishnav, cpu looks fine on top | 07:10 |
| odin_ | it boots up to charge at least ! | 07:10 |
| grishnav | hmm | 07:10 |
| goodwill | Jef91: in any case I bet you can convert to a qemu or virtual box or whatever | 07:10 |
| Jef91 | goodwill - the fact that they make an image for that is another testiment to the fact that Nokia gets it but doesn't at the same time | 07:10 |
| goodwill | Jef91: its not an official nokia image | 07:10 |
| Jef91 | goodwill - remember virtual box only support x86 and 64bit guests - its not processor emulation | 07:10 |
| goodwill | Jef91: http://vpc-sdk.garage.maemo.org/ | 07:11 |
| goodwill | Jef91: right .... | 07:11 |
| goodwill | Jef91: :) | 07:11 |
| message144 | so, i guess I am the only one that has experience severely regressive performance for the new n900/maemo update today? | 07:11 |
| Jef91 | Got debian ARM installing via qemu right now | 07:11 |
| grishnav | first i've heard -- mine is running way better after the update | 07:11 |
| goodwill | message144: mine is snappier after upgrade | 07:11 |
| Jef91 | hoping to do some dev work on that bugger | 07:11 |
| grishnav | message144: how about `free'? is something eating ram? | 07:11 |
| |R | message144: have you just done the update? | 07:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | message144, Tracker may be indexing. | 07:12 |
| |R | message144: maybe it's just reindexing ... | 07:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | message144, what does top say? | 07:12 |
| message144 | checking... | 07:12 |
| goodwill | message144: run top and see whats happening | 07:12 |
| |R | here it's faster, at least in 3 games that is.. | 07:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | It should be marginally to significantly faster. | 07:12 |
| goodwill | Jef91: I do not know if its an ARM image ... cause SDK is both x86 and arm | 07:13 |
| message144 | the UI is laggy.. windows are minimizing very slowly... buttons are responding slowly | 07:13 |
| message144 | i just did the update about an hour ago | 07:13 |
| odin_ | shit I can't run the flasher, its linked against some newer GLIBC :( | 07:13 |
| goodwill | message144: run terminal and top inside it | 07:13 |
| odin_ | windows time I guess | 07:13 |
| goodwill | odin_: breath deep buddy :) | 07:14 |
| message144 | goodwill, running top shows that cpu usage is very low | 07:14 |
| |R | what's the load average? | 07:15 |
| goodwill | message144: what about ram usage? | 07:15 |
| message144 | although.. in intervals /usr/bin/modest is taking 30% cpu | 07:15 |
| message144 | every minute or so | 07:15 |
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| message144 | ram usage is pretty tame | 07:15 |
| message144 | the most cpu/ram is browserd at 10% cpu | 07:16 |
| grishnav | message144: probably silly to ask, but, have you tried restarting? | 07:16 |
| message144 | grishnav, i actually did and it improved a lot, but its still much slower than it was before the upgrade | 07:16 |
| message144 | so yes that helped | 07:16 |
| message144 | is it logical to assume that restarting again will yield similar results? heh | 07:17 |
| grishnav | probably not, but who knows | 07:17 |
| goodwill | message144: if tracker is indexing it could be the disk activity that messing you up | 07:17 |
| grishnav | a lot of this stuff is just a shy better than beta quality | 07:17 |
| goodwill | message144: or thumbnailer? | 07:17 |
| message144 | what is tracker? | 07:17 |
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| grishnav | message144: an indexing search engine. do you have lots of songs or pictures or anything that would cause something like tracker to chew for a while? | 07:18 |
| goodwill | message144: indexing service ... for quick search | 07:18 |
| message144 | no.. i have very little data on this phone | 07:18 |
| grishnav | i have almost no content on my n900 yet... | 07:18 |
| grishnav | hrm | 07:18 |
| goodwill | message144: it indexes files and email messages and etc | 07:18 |
| grishnav | i'm out of ideas... install openssh and let someone hack on it? :p | 07:18 |
| message144 | heh | 07:18 |
| message144 | ill have to lurk here for a while before im comfortable with that i suppose | 07:18 |
| goodwill | hehehe .... latest emacs is available for n900 | 07:19 |
| grishnav | message144: what is your load average? | 07:19 |
| goodwill | I shoudl install it, along with lisp dbus bindign and just run the phone and sms from inside emacs | 07:19 |
| wiretapped | anybody here messed with rtcom-eventlogger's db? | 07:19 |
| message144 | grishnav, its only 1.65% | 07:19 |
| goodwill | just so I can be more geeky | 07:19 |
| message144 | grishnav, you know what... it might be getting snappy again... | 07:19 |
| message144 | i will mess around on it for a while and report back here in about an hour | 07:20 |
| grishnav | message144: in xterm, run `uptime' and read us those numbers | 07:20 |
| * wiretapped is trying to make a trigger adjust the group_uid on incoming tmo email-to-sms events | 07:20 | |
| grishnav | if your load average is 1.65, that's not 1.65%, that's 165%, ie very effing overloaded | 07:20 |
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| grishnav | if you'er not seeing it in cpu usage, then it's probably i/o | 07:20 |
| grishnav | which points to something chewing on the flash for some reason | 07:21 |
| wiretapped | the GroupCache is making life difficult | 07:21 |
| message144 | grishnav, sorry i meant 1.65% | 07:21 |
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| message144 | brb.. have to walk the stupid dog | 07:21 |
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| grishnav | message144: wait! | 07:21 |
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| grishnav | get us the load averages before they change! :p | 07:21 |
| goodwill | if I update hostname and hosts for a custom name you think there would any issues? | 07:24 |
| |R | works here :) | 07:24 |
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| milos_ | goodwill: depends how you change | 07:24 |
| goodwill | milos_: I was planning to edit /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts | 07:25 |
| milos_ | goodwill: i did just than on my ubuntu machine and works great. changed karmic to lucid in hostname and hosts | 07:26 |
| odin_ | grishnav, |R : I just remember some of the reasons for OneNAND | 07:26 |
| goodwill | milos_: its a standard linux thing ... I just wonder if there are any problems for n900 specifically | 07:26 |
| grishnav | please! i'm curious to hear | 07:26 |
| odin_ | grishnav, |R : the ubifs does wearleveling in the OS and in a special layout, this means the flashing operation will keep counters over complete re-flashes | 07:27 |
| milos_ | goodwill: shouldn't be any problem, they are booth debian based | 07:27 |
| odin_ | my baby is alive, MY BABY IS ALIVE !!! | 07:27 |
| grishnav | odin_: the eMMC doesn't have wear leveling? | 07:27 |
| goodwill | greped /etc ... those are the only two references | 07:28 |
| |R | grishnav: only in software, i think the NAND does it by itself | 07:28 |
| odin_ | grishnav, yes but its implemented in a hardware chip, like a flash usb/pen drive, one of the points of UBIFS use is that Nokia and kernel have 100% control over that aspect | 07:28 |
| grishnav | whats the advantage to that? | 07:28 |
| grishnav | variable algorithms based on usage or something? | 07:29 |
| goodwill | bluetooth volume levels are fixed in the PR1.1 | 07:29 |
| |R | then again home and MyDocs are in ext3 and vfat ... | 07:29 |
| goodwill | when playing from the media players | 07:29 |
| goodwill | NICE!! | 07:29 |
| |R | I wonder how battery is drained by ext3 writing every 5 sec... | 07:29 |
| |R | and how much wear does it bring | 07:30 |
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| odin_ | damn wireless lan settings have been lost | 07:30 |
| |R | odin_: tell you did a backup before ? ;) | 07:30 |
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| |R | (ok ok, i'm not sure i want to hear the scream :P) | 07:30 |
| odin_ | ah yes i did a backup a few days ago | 07:30 |
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| |R | ehhe :) | 07:30 |
| goodwill | also codecs seem to be updated ... cause all the video files I have on it play well | 07:31 |
| goodwill | now I do not have to using vlc from command line | 07:31 |
| goodwill | one question | 07:32 |
| grishnav | |R: it's mounted with data=wireback | 07:32 |
| goodwill | is there an way to snap the icons to grid on the desktops | 07:32 |
| grishnav | so I would say nothing and none :p | 07:32 |
| goodwill | I always find they are a few pixels off | 07:32 |
| grishnav | or | 07:32 |
| grishnav | very minimal | 07:32 |
| grishnav | since it's only metadata | 07:32 |
| odin_ | right since I am no averse to reflashing OS (and expect to more) I think I shall work out which important goodies are needed and try to script/automate something from /home to fix things | 07:33 |
| odin_ | are you sure this backup stored system settings ? I still have my personal settings intact | 07:33 |
| |R | grishnav: well, it won't stamp access time all over the place, but the journal is still written every 5 sec no ? | 07:33 |
| grishnav | |R: there is no data journal, just metadata journal | 07:34 |
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| |R | grishnav: ? | 07:34 |
| |R | there is an FS journal (not sure where your distinction is / means? :-) | 07:34 |
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| grishnav | ok uhh | 07:35 |
| grishnav | in journal mode | 07:36 |
| grishnav | when you write a file | 07:36 |
| grishnav | the data is written to a journal | 07:36 |
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| grishnav | before it's written to the filesystem | 07:36 |
| grishnav | so that if the system crashes | 07:36 |
| grishnav | the data that would have been written is still there | 07:36 |
| grishnav | in metadata only journaling | 07:37 |
| grishnav | it just writes file metadata | 07:37 |
| grishnav | but if the system crashes while the data is being witten, it's lost | 07:37 |
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| grishnav | the metadata journal allows you to fsck really fast and bring the filesystem back into a consistent state, but doesn't allow for any data recovery | 07:38 |
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| grishnav | i dunno about it being updated every five seconds | 07:38 |
| grishnav | it's mounted with commit=1, which i think means the commit interval is one second | 07:39 |
| odin_ | thats the default linux metadata sync policy (5 secs) | 07:39 |
| grishnav | oh | 07:39 |
| grishnav | hrm | 07:39 |
| grishnav | but what does that mean? | 07:39 |
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| grishnav | does stuff still get written if you aren't attempting to write or modify the filesystem? | 07:39 |
| odin_ | huh... no you must sucessfully modify the filesystem (in order for stuff to get written) | 07:40 |
| odin_ | i.e. there is no such thing as "attempting" i.e. impliying a failure might occur | 07:40 |
| odin_ | but the stuff that needs to be written might not get written immediately, it might stay in memory buffer-cache | 07:41 |
| grishnav | write... it's not just sporadically writing some kind of data to the every five seconds, if the buffer is empty, it does nothing | 07:41 |
| odin_ | so the 5 second policy rule ensure that the OS attempt to write something to disk (that is "dirty" in the buffer-cache) | 07:41 |
| grishnav | or in this case every 1 second | 07:41 |
| odin_ | cat /proc/memory look for "Dirty:" | 07:42 |
| odin_ | otherwise in the case of large memory systems, the OS might never actually push the write to disk, if the buffer-cache is huge | 07:42 |
| grishnav | right | 07:42 |
| grishnav | that's pretty much how i understood it | 07:42 |
| grishnav | but if you've got no data to go to the disk | 07:42 |
| grishnav | ie. the buffer is empty | 07:43 |
| odin_ | correct | 07:43 |
| grishnav | nothing happens, right? | 07:43 |
| grishnav | so there ya go |R :p | 07:43 |
| odin_ | but in the case of "atime" updates, reads cause writes on traditional unix filesystems | 07:43 |
| grishnav | ah | 07:43 |
| grishnav | but ont he n900 it's also mounted noatime, so no problem there | 07:43 |
| odin_ | but it more-o-less the defaco standard that the "noatime" option is set | 07:43 |
| odin_ | yup | 07:43 |
| grishnav | i turned atime on once because i had a retarded imap server that relied on it's behavior for some reason... | 07:44 |
| odin_ | right I must sleep | 07:45 |
| odin_ | I shall fix up baby tomorrow | 07:45 |
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| crashanddie | http://arrogantandcondescending.blogspot.com/2010/01/planes-in-spain-cause-passengers-pain.html | 07:55 |
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| crashanddie | I think that's my longest post to date | 07:56 |
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| grishnav | you spelled arrogant wrong | 07:58 |
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| crashanddie | grishnav: sorry? | 08:00 |
| siriusnova | man | 08:01 |
| siriusnova | Citi Cards just rocks | 08:01 |
| siriusnova | for customer service | 08:01 |
| grishnav | just kidding, lulz | 08:01 |
| siriusnova | My credit card was stolen while i was overseas | 08:01 |
| crashanddie | heh | 08:01 |
| siriusnova | and some guy cloned it and bought like $2k worth of stuff | 08:01 |
| siriusnova | D: | 08:01 |
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| crashanddie | siriusnova: and? | 08:02 |
| siriusnova | i just called Citi Card and i explained to them that since im overseas i cant get that form they send in the mail to dispute | 08:02 |
| siriusnova | and they are like | 08:02 |
| siriusnova | "Sure no problem we will block that account and just email the form, nothing you have to do" | 08:03 |
| siriusnova | and im like "woot" | 08:03 |
| siriusnova | :D | 08:03 |
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| crashanddie | siriusnova: and? | 08:05 |
| siriusnova | and they wont charge me | 08:05 |
| crashanddie | and? | 08:05 |
| siriusnova | for all the fradulent charges :P | 08:05 |
| siriusnova | finished | 08:05 |
| siriusnova | heh | 08:05 |
| crashanddie | you do realise that credit card law forces them to do that | 08:05 |
| crashanddie | right? | 08:05 |
| siriusnova | I know but they have good customer service | 08:05 |
| crashanddie | right | 08:05 |
| siriusnova | for example it could be a total pain in the ass like amex | 08:05 |
| siriusnova | where im on the phone for hours | 08:05 |
| crashanddie | lol, the only people who have trouble with amex are those who can't afford a real amex card | 08:06 |
| siriusnova | I have an Amex Gold :P | 08:06 |
| crashanddie | then you're doing something wrong | 08:06 |
| siriusnova | :( | 08:06 |
| crashanddie | Amex and diner's club are by far the best cards you can get | 08:07 |
| crashanddie | you pay a hefty fee, but they will *never* discuss your claims as long as you use the card regularly | 08:07 |
| siriusnova | weird | 08:08 |
| crashanddie | and by regularly, I mean $3k+ every month -- why would you have a gold if you didn't? | 08:08 |
| crashanddie | it's like people complaining their BT CC is shit... well... duh :P | 08:08 |
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| tigert | whats BT? | 08:10 |
| crashanddie | british telecom | 08:10 |
| siriusnova | lol | 08:11 |
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| RST38h | Angry Haitians block roads with corpses | 08:20 |
| RST38h | http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/15/2793056.htm | 08:20 |
| hrw|gone | bug #6933 | 08:20 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6933 Alarm times are shown wrong | 08:20 |
| adeus | makes perfect sense to block roads to protest delays by causing delays | 08:21 |
| hrw|gone | am I wrong or someone from other side has problems with brain? | 08:21 |
| RST38h | hrw: Please specify | 08:21 |
| RST38h | If you mean haitians, they are simply using the most abundant building material | 08:22 |
| hrw|gone | RST38h: bug is clear, example event is provided as ical file which works on desktop but fails on n900. and they as which phone it was from (already provided info and there is info from example ical is) and then about time zone which does not change alarm time anyway | 08:23 |
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| RST38h | Ah that | 08:24 |
| RST38h | hrw: konttori is your man, ask him | 08:24 |
| |R | well, Haïti is in fucking hell mode right now :( ... can't blame them, 3M people homeless? I'd go crazy too | 08:25 |
| hrw|gone | RST38h: maybe later, but I do not want to bug him about each and each bug in their closed crap | 08:25 |
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| hrw|gone | RST38h: and he said that 'pr1.2 will continue at least a month' so may it be that 1.2 is frozen internally already | 08:26 |
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| * GeneralAntilles doesn't get the anti-mailing list mentality. | 08:41 | |
| RST38h | hrw: Collect 4-5 most odious one | 08:42 |
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| * RST38h has the anti-mailing list mentality | 08:42 | |
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| RST38h | General: To me, mailing list is more spam into my mailbox. | 08:42 |
| RST38h | Plus, this "technology" has been outdated for at least 20-25 years now | 08:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, mostly in a cultural and political sense here. | 08:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, anyway, that's why I have filters that move mailing list messages to their own folders. | 08:46 |
| RST38h | Well, if it gets moved, I never see it. If it does not get moved, I see it as spam. No good either way. | 08:47 |
| * RST38h usually reads ml archives on the web though | 08:47 | |
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| RST38h | Ah clever new HAM, if it fails downloading the whole update, it only downloads the remaining part the second time | 08:50 |
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| RST38h | BTW, what is it about iPhone that makes people create such visually attractive apps? | 09:01 |
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| ruskie | RST38h, because it's Apple? | 09:01 |
| ruskie | I wonder if they are functionaly attractive though | 09:01 |
| RST38h | Is it the type of people developing for it, or is it something in the programming framework that helps? | 09:01 |
| Corsac | hmhm, the calendar doesn't support removet caldav calendar, does it? | 09:02 |
| ruskie | it didn't the last I heard | 09:02 |
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| RST38h | If it is something in the framework, can we borrow that? =) | 09:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, it's a combination of a lot of things, I think. | 09:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Same is true of all Apple platforms. | 09:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good UI guidelines, leading by example, a drive to release a polished product, etc. | 09:04 |
| RST38h | Ok, can it be somehow simulated? | 09:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, you notice how Apple never releases documentation that's on the shittiness level Nokia manages? | 09:05 |
| RST38h | Like, maybe we need to provide a toolkit with visually attractive basic UI elements and a dead simple way to arrange them? | 09:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's that attention to detail that seems to be at the core of it. | 09:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, yeah, that'd probably be a start. | 09:05 |
| RST38h | General: As far as Maemo is concerned, Nokia hardly releases any documentation, most toolkits are OSS anyway | 09:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, true enough. | 09:06 |
| RST38h | Symbian stuff does suck a lot, mostly because it is generated with Oxygen (or something) and the frameworks themselves are a mess | 09:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | But what documentation there is doesn't exactly strive for excellence. | 09:06 |
| goodwill | Apple strength is that it has a polished product that does eveything one specific way | 09:06 |
| goodwill | Apple WEAKNESS is that it has a polished product that does everything ONE specific way | 09:06 |
| RST38h | General: Well, the documentation guy is always the fifth wheel in the team | 09:06 |
| RST38h | For better or for worse | 09:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | goodwill, that's a part of what allows them to ship quality products. | 09:07 |
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| goodwill | granted maemo SDK is a mess ... but it won't be in about half a year once enough examples are out there | 09:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | goodwill, and a side effect of that is that that level of quality and attention to detail seems to rub off on its developers. | 09:07 |
| RST38h | goodwill: Sorry, but do you know for how long Maemo SDK exists? | 09:07 |
| goodwill | RST38h: there is a difference between a tablet and tablet with a phone | 09:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I think a partial problem with that is that Nokia has only recently really started getting behind the platform. | 09:08 |
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| RST38h | General: which may not necessarily be a good thing :) | 09:08 |
| goodwill | RST38h: before n900 I was nto considering nokia stuff at all | 09:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | (as hesitantly and weakly as they) | 09:08 |
| RST38h | General: If you have seen the Qt DUI (sic) framework plans, you know what I mean | 09:08 |
| goodwill | GeneralAntilles: I agree ... but its a two edged sword | 09:08 |
| RST38h | goodwill: See? I suggest you learn a bit of background first :) | 09:09 |
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| RST38h | General: They pretty much took Qt and made their OWN UI framework based on it | 09:09 |
| RST38h | General: In two different incompatible versions (Maemo and Symbian) | 09:09 |
| goodwill | RST38h: so? | 09:09 |
| goodwill | most folks who got the tablets do nto care about symbian | 09:10 |
| RST38h | General: Both using dreaded document-view-controller model that pretty much killed most UI development on Symbian/S60 | 09:10 |
| goodwill | the maemo audience is different IMHO | 09:10 |
| goodwill | look at apple SDK: polished and locked in | 09:10 |
| RST38h | what audience? there are several. | 09:11 |
| goodwill | OIbjectiveC and the toolkit | 09:11 |
| RST38h | and, again, you want to learn the background before making statements | 09:11 |
| goodwill | RST38h: what statements? | 09:11 |
| goodwill | RST38h: I am comparing current state of maemo sdk to current state of apple sdk | 09:11 |
| goodwill | not exploring the past | 09:12 |
| svanheulen | speaking of the maemo sdk... FFFFFFUUUUUU | 09:12 |
| goodwill | in half a year it will have enough code to rock | 09:13 |
| svanheulen | shit is so painful | 09:13 |
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| goodwill | where is its almost never possible to see apps for apples source code and learn from them | 09:13 |
| RST38h | svan: Interestingly, I find it ok | 09:13 |
| RST38h | The only problem is that you have to install Linux | 09:14 |
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| goodwill | does anyone know if its possible to change availability per account on n900 | 09:14 |
| RST38h | Once you do that and stick to SB2, you are fine | 09:14 |
| RST38h | ok, <work> | 09:14 |
| svanheulen | well i run linux and i still hate it haha | 09:14 |
| shinkamui | goodwill: wtf are you talking about hildonized GTK? QT examples? | 09:14 |
| shinkamui | what is this CODE that will be availalbe in droves in 6 months thats not available now | 09:14 |
| goodwill | shinkamui: the garage scm is full of it | 09:15 |
| goodwill | I've been using it to write my own little apps | 09:15 |
| goodwill | granted QT samples are not as numerous but that will change | 09:15 |
| svanheulen | i just want gcc and such optified and in extras | 09:16 |
| shinkamui | svanheulen, use the development chroot image | 09:17 |
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| * slonopotamus_ just wants disk layout that doesn't require optification at all :) | 09:17 | |
| svanheulen | shinkamui: where do i get that?! | 09:17 |
| shinkamui | look it up in the forums, image is pretty small too | 09:17 |
| svanheulen | sweet, thanks | 09:18 |
| * shinkamui bows and heads for dreamland | 09:18 | |
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| svanheulen | my problem with the sdk is that qemu sucks. segfaults on me often. | 09:22 |
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| svanheulen | anyone here good with emacs? | 09:26 |
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| goodwill | svanheulen: depends on what you mean by good | 09:27 |
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| goodwill | svanheulen: I have an emacs env I spent year developing ... but my lisp is just so so | 09:27 |
| svanheulen | do you know if there's a way to remap keys? like make the up arrow be esc? | 09:28 |
| rkc_ | Hi guys.. i am completly new to maemo. Could any one tell me the place where can i get the infromation about the threading in symbian.. I just want to play around creating multiple processes / threads... | 09:28 |
| goodwill | svanheulen: I do not think you can make up key be escape but you can make up do what esc does | 09:28 |
| goodwill | rkc_: maemo is not symbian | 09:29 |
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| cosmo | rkc_: forum.nokia.com might have some docs | 09:29 |
| goodwill | svanheulen: esc is considered a meta / modifier key in emacs | 09:29 |
| rkc_ | goodwill: then how can i create threads?? | 09:29 |
| goodwill | rkc_: I do not understand the question ... maemo is not symbian ... | 09:30 |
| goodwill | rkc_: and create them where? | 09:30 |
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| svanheulen | goodwill: yeah, that' why i want to map it, no esc on n900 keyboard | 09:30 |
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| adeus | can I list somehow the packages B that directly depend on some package A? | 09:31 |
| rkc_ | goodwill: ok.. let me put in the other way.. when i click on a button... i want to do some network search.. but i dont want my UI to be blocked.. how to do this?? | 09:31 |
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| Stskeeps | adeus: apt-get rdepends | 09:31 |
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| svanheulen | rkc_: fork() | 09:31 |
| goodwill | rkc_: set up an event? | 09:31 |
| rkc_ | svanheulen: same like unix calls?? | 09:32 |
| adeus | Stskeeps, invalid comman? | 09:32 |
| adeus | +d | 09:32 |
| rkc_ | goodwill: can you show me some example for this kind of use case? | 09:32 |
| svanheulen | rkc_: maemo is linux | 09:32 |
| adeus | or operation to be exact | 09:32 |
| cosmo | rkc_: on fremantle you probably use glib's threads | 09:33 |
| cosmo | although on glib you can do network stuff asynchronously | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | adeus: eh. apt-cache rdepends then | 09:34 |
| rkc_ | cosmo: thanks for the keyword.. :) let me explore it.. | 09:34 |
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| cosmo | on qt it's even more easier | 09:34 |
| adeus | ah | 09:34 |
| rkc_ | cosmo: yep.. but currently i am trying to learn hildon... | 09:34 |
| adeus | that lists all the packages | 09:35 |
| cosmo | ok, then see glib's documentation | 09:35 |
| rkc_ | cosmo: sure.. any example code.. tat would be easier for me to grab.. | 09:35 |
| goodwill | svanheulen: see your PM | 09:35 |
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| cosmo | rkc_: can be found by googling | 09:35 |
| rkc_ | ok | 09:36 |
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| cosmo | and glib is same on maemo and desktop linux, so you don't have to search maemo specific examples | 09:36 |
| Tonzas | anybody knows is there any combination for TAB key at microb. It would be useful when filling up forms or login details :o - ill tested with ctrl+i but it wont work at browser... | 09:36 |
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| Untouchab1e | so i got QT creator and the SDK installed.. What must I do with the QT creator? | 09:39 |
| Untouchab1e | in order to start developing for Maemo? | 09:39 |
| adeus | type code? :) | 09:39 |
| SplasPood | You must sacrifice a virgin | 09:40 |
| SplasPood | Then the QT Creator will reveal all | 09:40 |
| Untouchab1e | But to Debug, I need to do something.. | 09:41 |
| Untouchab1e | and what about the maemo UI.. | 09:41 |
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| Untouchab1e | or do I just create my app as a normal qt project then just run it in scratchbox? | 09:44 |
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| lucent | dur... I just killed my rootfs on N900 | 09:52 |
| lucent | I know what I did though, is there a way to mount it on a laptop computer or something? | 09:52 |
| lucent | recovery terminal? | 09:52 |
| ruskie | hmm fun... now if I want to control volume I need to unlock the device first... | 09:52 |
| ruskie | lucent, do you get any boot? | 09:52 |
| ruskie | or just a Nokia logo | 09:52 |
| pwnguin | its a nand flash. good luck with that | 09:52 |
| lucent | ruskie: yeah I got tired of unlocking, so I run without lock-by-default | 09:53 |
| cosmo | lucent: sounds like you need to reflash | 09:53 |
| lucent | ruskie: Nokia logo, then power LED fades from bright (white) and dims, and reboot | 09:53 |
| lucent | endless yup | 09:53 |
| ruskie | lucent, I got hit by the same thing | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | lucent: give the community some time to create rescue tools or help out doing so :) | 09:53 |
| ruskie | had to reflash rootfs | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | PR1.1 gives ample opportunity to prepare for rescue in advance | 09:53 |
| lucent | it was 'cause I am trying to free up some space to do the Maemo5 upgrades | 09:53 |
| Corsac | hmhm, the internet radio stuff seems a bit picky | 09:54 |
| ruskie | need to give an initramfs a try | 09:54 |
| Corsac | I tried to add three radio stations and none worked because of “unsupported media” | 09:54 |
| ruskie | that would actually be usable if it can be booted in | 09:54 |
| lucent | I'm not afraid of reflash, but is that the most sane thing to do here? | 09:54 |
| ruskie | Corsac, were they shout/icecast ? | 09:54 |
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| ruskie | lucent, as it stands I think so | 09:54 |
| Corsac | http://stream.kcdx.com/KCDX / http://citadelcc-KLOS-FM.wm.llnwd.net/citadelcc_KLOS_FM / http://live.cumulusstreaming.com/KSAN-FM?MSWMExt=.asf | 09:54 |
| frals | crap, forgot to enable powersaving on the wifi again and the battery is almost discharged now, knew i shouldve brought the real charger and not just the usb cable >_< | 09:55 |
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| lucent | ruskie: thanks. will give it a whirl. any special advice for me - I'm on Ubuntu - ? | 09:55 |
| Corsac | ruskie: I think thrice are asf format, which is kind-of common for internet radios I think | 09:55 |
| ruskie | Corsac, not really | 09:55 |
| pwnguin | reflashing is sane. apparently works in linux. check the wiki | 09:55 |
| ruskie | the common internet radio format is shout/icecast | 09:55 |
| ruskie | everything else is ok so we want an easy to deploy solution but don't care about people using anything else but our software | 09:56 |
| Corsac | well, all FM radio station streaming on internet I know use asf :/ | 09:56 |
| cosmo | shout/icecast streams usually mp3 or ogg stream | 09:56 |
| cosmo | asf is some microsoft special format afaik | 09:56 |
| ruskie | yup | 09:57 |
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| Corsac | yes, and it's surely a piece of crap, but it /is/ widely used :) | 09:57 |
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| ruskie | not really | 09:57 |
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| pwnguin | these days i can even stream real in totem | 09:57 |
| cosmo | not, all internet radios i listen are ogg or mp3 streams | 09:57 |
| ruskie | Corsac, hmm do you have the extra codecs support | 09:58 |
| ruskie | ? | 09:58 |
| ruskie | that might give you this | 09:58 |
| Corsac | ok guys, I don't want to troll on that, I don't like that fact either, but it is a fact | 09:58 |
| ruskie | else it probably needs to be added | 09:58 |
| Corsac | hmhm, I have ogg support, but I'm not sure about “extra codecs” | 09:58 |
| Corsac | will check | 09:58 |
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| ruskie | http://www.shoutcast.com/ <-- tons of stations here, and here --> http://dir.xiph.org/index.php | 09:59 |
| pwnguin | Corsac: numerically theres a hell of a lot of shoutcast. asf might be more popular for fm radio stations with inet presnce | 10:00 |
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| Corsac | that's what I'm talking about since the beginning :/ | 10:00 |
| ruskie | but probably won't find normal stations there much | 10:00 |
| ruskie | Corsac, as for widely used I haven't seen all that many to tell the truth :) | 10:01 |
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| ruskie | and asf is streaming but that just pushes wma over from what I can tell | 10:01 |
| ruskie | http://wiki.barix.com/index.php5/Windows_Media_streaming <-- but technical | 10:01 |
| ruskie | maybe try running that url with mplayer ? | 10:01 |
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| Corsac | ruskie: don't have mplayer installed on the device but it does work fine on a desktop at least | 10:02 |
| goodwill | vlc works nicely too | 10:02 |
| goodwill | just no ui | 10:02 |
| lucent | I'm kind of confused by which N900 firmware I need to download, who's done that before and can advise me? I'm located in the USA and bought my N900 off Amazon retail online | 10:02 |
| Corsac | extra-codec is in extra-devel? | 10:03 |
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| lucent | "OS 2009 version 2.2009.51-1" for USA, right? | 10:03 |
| ruskie | lucent, it says at the side | 10:03 |
| ruskie | yes | 10:03 |
| ruskie | sounds about right | 10:03 |
| ruskie | Corsac, I think it's been renamed to something "friendlier" | 10:04 |
| ruskie | decoders-support | 10:04 |
| ruskie | Maemo-Display-Name: Decoders Support | 10:04 |
| ruskie | that's the thing | 10:04 |
| lucent | thanks ruskie | 10:05 |
| Corsac | http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showpost.php?s=c0ad98f260e65aebd0199018b324edbc&p=453764&postcount=12 doesn't look very promising though | 10:05 |
| Corsac | hmhm yeah, it was already installed anyway | 10:06 |
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| ruskie | Corsac, well he did say he'll look into it :) | 10:06 |
| lucent | I don't understand how we are supposed to do a 90MiB Maemo5 update from Nokia when the rootfs fills up so bloody quickly | 10:06 |
| ruskie | lucent, were you using apt-get or HAM? | 10:06 |
| Corsac | arg, HAM doesn't support quick access with typing stuff | 10:06 |
| ruskie | Corsac, I think there's a bug | 10:06 |
| lucent | ruskie: I tried HAM and apt-get, there was 30MiB free on rootfs | 10:06 |
| ruskie | ham supposedly stores things somewhere other than root | 10:07 |
| ruskie | the temporary ones | 10:07 |
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| lucent | ruskie: my failing was when I tried to relocate /usr/share to /opt/somewhere | 10:07 |
| ruskie | mine was no clue why | 10:08 |
| ruskie | probably the ctrl+c I had to do during apt-get dist-upgrade | 10:08 |
| lucent | ah | 10:08 |
| ruskie | during setting up whatever | 10:08 |
| ruskie | I reran dpkg --configure -a | 10:08 |
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| ruskie | but I guess something broke someplace anyway | 10:08 |
| tekojo | Notice: wiki.maemo.org and garage.maemo.org went offline | 10:08 |
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| ruskie | I simply couldn't use HAM since I had the metapackage removed | 10:09 |
| * lucent grins | 10:09 | |
| lucent | that's a pain! | 10:09 |
| ruskie | I really wish there were more small rolling updates | 10:09 |
| BriGe | http://www.lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139723800 please com on this site. thats not a virus | 10:09 |
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| ruskie | lol | 10:09 |
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| ruskie | not a virus :) | 10:10 |
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| lucent | whoa, it's like DALnet here today with the splits | 10:11 |
| pwnguin | they'd get more hits with "its not porn" | 10:11 |
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| ruskie | :) | 10:12 |
| ruskie | well reported him in #freenode | 10:12 |
| ruskie | :) | 10:12 |
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| pwnguin | was the n800 this much a pain to update? | 10:13 |
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| pwnguin | klines? | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | .. why is random people being k-lined? | 10:14 |
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| pronto | probally spam bots | 10:14 |
| pronto | or something of that nature | 10:14 |
| pwnguin | solarion isnt a spambot | 10:14 |
| pronto | did somethign wrong then | 10:14 |
| ruskie | klines? | 10:14 |
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| ruskie | I get a netsplit here | 10:14 |
| pronto | thers both k-lines and netsplits going on atm | 10:15 |
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| lucent | I was k-lined earlier, though I am IRC'ing from a shared unix resource | 10:15 |
| lucent | some kind of cyber war | 10:15 |
| BriGe | http://www.lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139723800 New website browser. | 10:15 |
| pronto | then false postivies | 10:15 |
| pronto | :p | 10:15 |
| ruskie | ow look again | 10:15 |
| pwnguin | diaf brige | 10:15 |
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| Stskeeps | something tells me that's spam | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:16 |
| pwnguin | like i said | 10:16 |
| ruskie | latvia | 10:16 |
| pwnguin | they'd get more hits with "its not porn" | 10:16 |
| pronto | for the n900 is there a way to force a rescan | 10:16 |
| pronto | besides a reboot (for music) | 10:16 |
| ruskie | pronto, restart tracker? | 10:16 |
| ruskie | or try a hup signal to it? | 10:16 |
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| lucent | pronto: kind of joking, but a very strong magnet? | 10:17 |
| ruskie | lol | 10:17 |
| lucent | bad idea, don't do that! | 10:17 |
| pronto | haha | 10:17 |
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| pronto | thers no acutly harddiscs though O_o | 10:17 |
| lucent | the mount/unmount switch for microSD card is a magnet attached to the back case | 10:17 |
| lucent | that's the truth | 10:17 |
| pronto | yeah flash/sd stuff isnt effected by magnets | 10:18 |
| pwnguin | except it is | 10:18 |
| lucent | I have no idea if that triggers any rescan in the media player when mount/unmount attempt of the microSD | 10:18 |
| pronto | well i dont have a SD card in my n900 atm | 10:18 |
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| pronto | i have one, just not using it, (its only 4GB) so meh | 10:18 |
| pronto | http://easytag.sourceforge.net/ side note << this is awesome | 10:19 |
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| lucent | that's another problem with what I said, true | 10:19 |
| pwnguin | easiest way to restart tracker? | 10:19 |
| pronto | i guess cli ? | 10:19 |
| pwnguin | no init.d | 10:19 |
| ruskie | might be | 10:20 |
| pronto | yeah, cli= commanline interfane | 10:20 |
| pronto | lol | 10:20 |
| pronto | be neat if you could run bash scripts from the desktop place, i'm sure theres a a way | 10:20 |
| pwnguin | there is | 10:20 |
| pwnguin | make a .desktop | 10:20 |
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| ruskie | you could try: pkill -1 trackerd | 10:21 |
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| grishnav | eek | 10:21 |
| pwnguin | stick it in /usr/share/application/hildon | 10:21 |
| ruskie | it might tell it to reload | 10:21 |
| grishnav | i think if ound a bug with pr1.1 | 10:21 |
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| lucent | grishnav: what kind of problem? | 10:21 |
| grishnav | lucent: in the media player, can no longer seek in mp3s accessed by http | 10:21 |
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| lucent | grishnav: oh, I never had that to work anyways | 10:22 |
| pronto | not seeing a tracker in /etc/init.d/ | 10:22 |
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| grishnav | but the person hosting the mp3s has been having server trouble recently, so it's possible they switched servers and it's not supporting the appropriate http commands to do so | 10:22 |
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| grishnav | anyone else use this feature and can try it? | 10:22 |
| pwnguin | webdav? | 10:23 |
| lucent | is 2009SE_2.2009.51 the same as PR1.1 being mentioned? | 10:23 |
| grishnav | aannddd.... now seeking is working | 10:23 |
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| grishnav | yeah, i'm gonna say this is a media player bug not present in 1.0 or 1.0.1 :) | 10:23 |
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| pupnik | that's the other thing, to submit decent bugreports, if you can flash, do | 10:32 |
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| lucent | so hey, if my rootfs (N900) was too full, when I use the Backup util to restore a previous backup, do I want to avoid the Application List restoration? | 10:33 |
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| koala_man | how do I turn off the clicking sound? | 10:33 |
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| ruskie | lucent, not really | 10:35 |
| ruskie | atleast I restored it that way | 10:35 |
| ruskie | more or less worked fine | 10:36 |
| pekuja | koala_man: I think it's in profile settings | 10:36 |
| pupnik | koala_man: settings | 10:36 |
| koala_man | pekuja: oh, indeed. thanks! | 10:38 |
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| tybollt | ok | 10:39 |
| pekuja | speaking of sounds, does anybody know why alarms still make a sound when a silent profile is enabled? | 10:39 |
| tybollt | I'm really starting to enjoy my n900 experience now | 10:39 |
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| wazd | RST38h: heya | 10:40 |
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| koala_man | I was confused because the vibration setting was under 'Display' | 10:40 |
| RST38h | wazd: remoo | 10:40 |
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| jX | you mean that doesn't make sense? ;) | 10:41 |
| RST38h | Ahahhaha: http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/apa/1549254971.html | 10:41 |
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| Hukka | pekuja: Not hard to test... | 10:43 |
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| Hukka | pekuja: Whops, sorry, morning vision... | 10:44 |
| Hukka | pekuja: I want to have my alarms make sound even in silent. I don't want to get calls at night, but I do want to wake up | 10:44 |
| Hukka | pekuja: But calendar reminders are silent | 10:44 |
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| pupnik | how about you set calls to forward to mailbox when you don't want to get calls | 10:45 |
| pekuja | Hukka: yeah, I have to admit with my previous phone I sometimes had the phone on silent and it didn't make a peep when I had to wake up | 10:45 |
| lucent | Hukka: clock alarm will sound in silent mode | 10:46 |
| lucent | Hukka: calendar alarm will not sound in silent mode | 10:46 |
| pekuja | lucent: yeah, I know | 10:46 |
| Hukka | lucent: Yes? | 10:46 |
| pekuja | lucent: that's what he just said :-P | 10:46 |
| Lynoure | lucent: that migh actually be just like I want it. | 10:46 |
| Hukka | lucent: And he asked "why" | 10:46 |
| Lynoure | s/migh/might/ | 10:46 |
| infobot | Lynoure meant: lucent: that might actually be just like I want it. | 10:46 |
| pekuja | hmm | 10:46 |
| fatal^ | pekuja: how about teaching people some manners and not call on inappropirate times? | 10:46 |
| fatal^ | :) | 10:47 |
| pekuja | fatal^: huh? no, there's no problem with people calling | 10:47 |
| lucent | I'm Captain Obvious aka lucent, be here all night. | 10:47 |
| lucent | fatal^: I get robo-dialed by TMobile collections | 10:47 |
| fatal^ | pekuja: my solution seems much easier then forwarding calls to voicemail. | 10:47 |
| Lynoure | That way you can go to movies without having to check that you do not have some obscure calendar alarm, but you can set a clock alarm to remind you to make the phone non-silent again | 10:48 |
| pekuja | fatal^: the problem I had was that I had an alarm that went off when I had the phone on silent, and it was embarrasing | 10:48 |
| pekuja | the real solution is of course not to use alarms for non-important stuff | 10:48 |
| pekuja | well actually that one was actually an alarm, because I just had woken up before my alarm, but anyways | 10:48 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://video.online.ua/124908/ *warning, a little NFSW* | 10:48 |
| wazd | RST38h: that's near my house :) | 10:48 |
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| lucent | they have a bug in their system and don't have any means to alert the people responsible to fix it | 10:48 |
| lucent | so, I get called everyday at 7am by a computer | 10:48 |
| pekuja | I wonder if repeating calendar events have been added in an update | 10:48 |
| Lynoure | With my Palm Treo I couple of times had embarrassing "my fave tv show" alerts in situations like that | 10:48 |
| pekuja | because I can't remember exactly why I was using alarms instead of calendar events for some of my notifications | 10:48 |
| pekuja | fatal^: there's no problem with people calling me | 10:49 |
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| Hukka | I get emails during the night... Didn't leave the notification sound on after first night | 10:49 |
| Hukka | fatal^: What? | 10:49 |
| Hukka | fatal^: What are you talking about, the question was about the alarm function | 10:49 |
| fatal^ | 09:44 < pupnik> how about you set calls to forward to mailbox when you don't want to get calls | 10:49 |
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| koala_man | can I add a shortcut to an arbitrary command or script? | 10:49 |
| koala_man | on the desktop | 10:49 |
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| Hukka | pekuja: Hm? Repeated events was on the phone even in the first retail fw | 10:50 |
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| Hukka | Lynoure: Oh, and hi :) | 10:50 |
| * tybollt <3 noscript | 10:50 | |
| Lynoure | Hukka: I was about to ask whether it's you or some other Hukka | 10:51 |
| Hukka | It's me. It's been quite a long time when I last had to fight for this nick | 10:51 |
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| jysky | what's the status of syncml over ip with new firmware? | 10:52 |
| tybollt | browsing newspaper sites w/out it is vritually impossible | 10:52 |
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| Hukka | Ugh, my freenode node is laggy this morning | 10:53 |
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| pekuja | Hukka: yeah, I'm just wondering what the reason was for me to use alarms for stuff that should had been calendar event | 10:53 |
| pekuja | +s | 10:53 |
| lucent | Hukka: freenode is being attacked by spam bots | 10:53 |
| Hukka | What is this? No "new posts" link on tmo anymore :/ | 10:53 |
| Hukka | No, wait... my browser has logged me out :) | 10:54 |
| Hukka | Maybe I should make some tea | 10:54 |
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| ruskie | jysky, from what I know still not there | 10:59 |
| jysky | :( | 10:59 |
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| jysky | thought so, as there were nothing about it in change log | 11:01 |
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| ruskie | jysky, there is syncevolution | 11:02 |
| ruskie | ta sync it | 11:02 |
| ruskie | erm to syncml it | 11:02 |
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| ruskie | but I hadn't had much luck with my setup mainly due to a syncevo missing feature... it does work apparently for other people with different setups | 11:03 |
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| ruskie | gah this is annoynig | 11:08 |
| ruskie | needing to unlock the device to control volume | 11:08 |
| ruskie | I mean even the n95 allowed to me mess with the volume when fully locked | 11:09 |
| ruskie | and here I was hopping I wouldn't even need to bring up the screen anymore to control the sound | 11:09 |
| frals | it did? where was that setting? i always had to unlock it to change volume | 11:10 |
| vesa | thats why i bought earplugs with a volumecontrol | 11:10 |
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| ruskie | frals, I never had to unlock | 11:11 |
| L0cutus | re | 11:11 |
| ruskie | just turn the screen on | 11:12 |
| ruskie | now I actually need to unlock it to have it work | 11:12 |
| ruskie | vesa, I don't like or tend to use earplugs | 11:12 |
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| frals | i usually just slid the display to get to the play/pause buttons and then changed volume thou so wasnt that big of a deal | 11:13 |
| vesa | ruskie: great in open offices if they have noise cancellation =) | 11:13 |
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| vesa | frals: that's not really an option if you set a playlist and get on the tube and you're wearing n+1 layers of clothes with the n900 in your innerjackets breastpocket | 11:14 |
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| ruskie | vesa, erm... open office here... and I don't need noise cancelation | 11:18 |
| ruskie | I just need a drone in the background | 11:18 |
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| frals | understandably not since that was how i used my n95 ;-) | 11:19 |
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| guido_g | does anyone know if there is another copy of the pymaemo docs available online? garage is down atm | 11:20 |
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| jpe__ | got the new firmware installed, all seems ok, but what's the new convention for the the led, it's blinking lightblue... | 11:23 |
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| ruskie | guido_g, garage is down for the day but maybe try archive.org or google cache? | 11:23 |
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| guido_g | ahh... archive.org, i always forget about that, thanks ruskie | 11:24 |
| ruskie | :) | 11:25 |
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| leon-_ | what's the best rss reader for the n900? | 11:28 |
| guido_g | ha! http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo <- there it is | 11:28 |
| RST38h | Google Reader? | 11:28 |
| guido_g | best? | 11:29 |
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| guido_g | compared to what? what are the expectations? | 11:29 |
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| siriusnova | so im debating wether to pop in my sim into my N900 | 11:35 |
| siriusnova | does 1.2 make it phone ready? | 11:35 |
| siriusnova | :P | 11:35 |
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| `0660 | i've been able to use it as a phone since day one | 11:36 |
| `0660 | i wonder how mighty requirements you might have | 11:36 |
| `0660 | :) | 11:36 |
| pupnik | I managed to reflash a second time with the damaged microusb port | 11:36 |
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| pupnik | immediately after inserting, i avoided any movement around cable | 11:36 |
| Corsac | 1.2? | 11:36 |
| pupnik | whatever latest on tablet-dev is | 11:36 |
| pupnik | 1.1 | 11:37 |
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| leon-_ | guido_g, I guess I'm looking for the sort of a really simple widget-like reader that would allow multiple feeds and only show links to the articles in the feeds with a nice ui | 11:37 |
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| * MaemohammadAG found a bug | 11:38 | |
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| Markus23 | What has changend in the latest maemo 5 update? | 11:41 |
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| Markus23 | maps seems to be improved a lot | 11:41 |
| siriusnova | really? | 11:42 |
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| siriusnova | how so | 11:42 |
| pronto | the front camera is a bit better | 11:42 |
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| villager | ~pr1.1 | 11:43 |
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| villager | hmm | 11:43 |
| pupnik_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1 maemo pr1.1 update changes | 11:43 |
| infobot | methinks pr1.1 is http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1 | 11:43 |
| Markus23 | which application used the front camera? | 11:44 |
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| pupnik_ | thanks villager, i didn't know the infobot key | 11:44 |
| Markus23 | is pr1.1 2.2009.51-1? | 11:44 |
| villager | I saw it yesterday | 11:44 |
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| villager | yes, markus | 11:47 |
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| MaemohammadAG | Markus23, mirror uses the front cam | 11:47 |
| MaemohammadAG | there was a dark side on the right of the image | 11:47 |
| MaemohammadAG | that got fixed, but the quality is still not as good as other devices | 11:47 |
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| villager | i can recognize my own face now though | 11:48 |
| DenierButton | I have to ask something. Is there some way to get despotify to autoconnect with username/password? | 11:48 |
| wazd | RST38h: do you know what does this -> Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/h/hildon-theme-layout-5/hildon-theme-layout-5_0.13.2-1+0m5_all.deb Size mismatch | mean? :) | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: means server move in progress :P | 11:51 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: well, it was yesterday :) | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, that error is weird | 11:51 |
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| X-Fade | wazd: Cached in the network. | 11:52 |
| feri | yes, we are in the middle of the move. we have to flush the CDN caches every now and then. | 11:52 |
| feri | but they should be OK soonish... | 11:52 |
| feri | the repo backend is holding nicely and that's what matters. | 11:52 |
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| jpe__ | is that blinking white LED just indicating 'alive' for the n900 ( after upgrade ?) | 11:55 |
| acidjazz | hai | 11:55 |
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| acidjazz | any sweet new apps | 11:56 |
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| feri | thanks lcuk! | 11:56 |
| pupnik_ | usbcontrol "to enable host mode" is interesting | 11:56 |
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| alterego | God the maemo.org website is schlow | 11:57 |
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| alterego | Catchable fatal error: Object of class midcom_core_user could not be converted to string in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/core/privilege.php on line 670 | 12:04 |
| alterego | Nice | 12:04 |
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| Stskeeps | things are moving:P | 12:05 |
| pupnik_ | catorise is a pretty cool applet - puts application icons into their user/section categories | 12:05 |
| pronto | to bad maemo.org is down x.x | 12:05 |
| pupnik_ | pronto, alterego: switchover day to new servers. leave complaints for tomorrow | 12:06 |
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| alterego | pupnik_: ah, that's today. Fair nuff | 12:06 |
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| grishnav | is freenode really slow right now? | 12:13 |
| ifreq | its lagging | 12:13 |
| ifreq | as always | 12:13 |
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| Arkenoi | mugen power announced 2200mAh batteries. quite a strange number: too small for double size, too big for standard | 12:14 |
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| bleader | a slightly bigger in the same format would be quite nice, I'm most of the time barely making the day, would feel good to have a little spare :) | 12:15 |
| bleader | sligthly bigger battery that is | 12:16 |
| pupnik_ | how about a tiny battery in front of real battery to allow battery swapping | 12:17 |
| Arkenoi | slightly bigger means custom back cover anyways | 12:17 |
| pupnik_ | yep | 12:17 |
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| bleader | Arkenoi: sligthly bigger capacity, that's why I said, same format | 12:18 |
| pupnik_ | also if you hold back cover off, lay another battery on, then lay the cover on that, you can see what a 'brick' really looks like | 12:18 |
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| ifreq | im thinking about getting usb charger battery packs | 12:19 |
| ifreq | like zagg sparq | 12:19 |
| Arkenoi | i wish it had big support stand like n800 had, not that small frame around the camera which makes the thing too easy to drop over and almost useless when the keyboard is slid down | 12:19 |
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| alterego | The kick stands are really only useful when watching media. | 12:20 |
| alterego | I guess that's their only purpose. | 12:20 |
| alterego | Might be fine with a BT keyboard though. | 12:20 |
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| tybollt | alterego: bullshit, the kickstand is very usefull for me when at work... having the thing between the screen and the keyboard is very pleasant. | 12:21 |
| tybollt | I get calendar notifications and whatnot | 12:21 |
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| MaemohammadAG | it's not useful if you want to use it | 12:22 |
| tybollt | arkenoi's analysis is, IMHO, very accurate, the stand on the n900 is an engineering FAIL or, more likely, a trade-off between design and functionality where functionality lost to design :P | 12:22 |
| MaemohammadAG | i'd say it's the former :P | 12:22 |
| Arkenoi | n900 is quite uncomfortable to type two-handed on the hard surface, you need to place something soft under | 12:22 |
| alterego | tybollt: that's pretty much just watching media though isn't ot. | 12:23 |
| alterego | You're not really interacting with the device, don't get me wrong, without a stand would be worse, I'd make one if that was the case, just so I can have a nice viewing angle on my desk like you describe. | 12:23 |
| tybollt | alterego: watching media, watching text as they popin, watching email alerts, watching calendar events... etc | 12:23 |
| RST38h | tybollt: Neither fail nor tradeoff | 12:23 |
| alterego | Exactly | 12:23 |
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| RST38h | tybolt: they simply reused design from symbian phones | 12:23 |
| tybollt | RST38h: I said "IMHO" :) | 12:24 |
| alterego | Personally, I'd only ask that the next device, the stand would be sturdy enough to interact with the touch screen, I don't care asbout keyboard usage as that's something you can really only do with it in your hands anyway. | 12:24 |
| alterego | The N810 stand annoyed me slightly, because it wasn't sturdy enough to use the touch screen when not fully opened, in a more vertical orientation. | 12:25 |
| MaemohammadAG | http://twitpic.com/y5xvc LOL | 12:25 |
| alterego | But meh, at least you could use it, even if it did fall down a bit. | 12:26 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, why not take it from n800 instead? | 12:26 |
| tybollt | yes, that's... my .oO( ... ) too :) | 12:27 |
| woglinde | moo | 12:27 |
| alterego | It'd be even nicer if the stand could aid in auto image capture. | 12:29 |
| alterego | Image/video | 12:29 |
| `0660 | n800 stand is perfect, but the n900 stand is so much better than no stand at all :) | 12:29 |
| tybollt | fair enough... :) | 12:30 |
| wazd | all we hear is Ladio Gaga | 12:32 |
| wazd | *clap-clap* | 12:33 |
| ruskie | I hope Mugen might make a better back and stand with a thicker battery ;) | 12:33 |
| tybollt | mugen? | 12:34 |
| ruskie | they make more powerfull batteries that tend to need a replacement cover | 12:34 |
| woglinde | lady gaga? | 12:35 |
| woglinde | oh now | 12:35 |
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| MaemohammadAG | tybollt, they make extended batteries | 12:35 |
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| Stskeeps | morning andre__ | 12:35 |
| MaemohammadAG | sometimes the same size as the original | 12:35 |
| MaemohammadAG | and ruskie they already confirmed it | 12:35 |
| ruskie | that it'll have a better stand? | 12:35 |
| andre__ | heja Stskeeps! | 12:36 |
| ruskie | I know they are working on an extend battery | 12:36 |
| ruskie | I'm wondering if they'll improve the stand as well | 12:36 |
| ruskie | if they'll even have it | 12:36 |
| MaemohammadAG | ruskie, i think it's the same size | 12:36 |
| ruskie | the extended battery? | 12:37 |
| MaemohammadAG | like the 1800mAh n97 battery | 12:37 |
| MaemohammadAG | yeah | 12:37 |
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| ruskie | hmm | 12:37 |
| ruskie | will see :) | 12:37 |
| MaemohammadAG | their 1800 battery is the same size as the 1500 one | 12:37 |
| ruskie | still hoping for 2000+ | 12:37 |
| MaemohammadAG | 4000 hopefully | 12:37 |
| tybollt | http://byebyeos.com/mugen-is-developing-a-powerful-battery-for-n9 | 12:37 |
| MaemohammadAG | (not joking) | 12:37 |
| ruskie | I think that's a bit of an overkill | 12:38 |
| tybollt | 4000... dude | 12:38 |
| range | 2300-2400 says mugen's website. | 12:38 |
| MaemohammadAG | 6000 then :p | 12:38 |
| tybollt | range: formfactor? Same as current? | 12:38 |
| ruskie | yeah I think I've read the same | 12:38 |
| range | http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/nokia/nokia-n900.html | 12:38 |
| ruskie | though on such a device 4k or 6k would be nice | 12:38 |
| MaemohammadAG | off to the british council | 12:40 |
| MaemohammadAG | bbl | 12:40 |
| range | tybollt: I'd hope so. A thicker battery backdoor on the n900 would lead to cube device. | 12:40 |
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| tybollt | range: my point exactly | 12:40 |
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| * ruskie doesn't really care if it becomes brick sized | 12:40 | |
| tybollt | I do | 12:41 |
| tybollt | I'd hate to have to buy baggy pants to use my n900 :-| | 12:41 |
| range | :) | 12:41 |
| ruskie | lol | 12:41 |
| Nitial | mobira cityman n900 | 12:41 |
| ruskie | I don't keep anything in my pants pockets | 12:41 |
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| jaska | anything up to nokia 2110i with high capacity battery -size is ok with me | 12:41 |
| ruskie | the 2110i needs a high capacity battery??? | 12:42 |
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| ruskie | how long does it last then? a month? | 12:42 |
| tybollt | the 2110i? Aka "the milk package"? :) | 12:42 |
| jaska | bout a week or so.. its been a while, was my first gsm | 12:42 |
| ruskie | my n5110 lasted 2 weeks or so | 12:43 |
| ruskie | and even after 6 years I still got a week out of it | 12:43 |
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| mango_ | is it possible to catch an SMS message before the user gets notified about it in maemo5? | 12:43 |
| chem|st | has someone a link ready for the comparison picture for EU/US to DE keypad? cant find it anymore | 12:44 |
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| `0660 | i wish ctrl+space would change the keyboard layout too in addition to changing the input languages | 12:46 |
| `0660 | sucks to try to write two languages currently... | 12:47 |
| `0660 | hmm, maybe there is a bug for that | 12:48 |
| inz | `0660, if you find one, or create one, ill vote for it | 12:49 |
| nomis | is this usefull for two languages both based on the latin charset? | 12:50 |
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| range | bug 2501 - and it looks like there is a solution on the way | 12:51 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2501 Hardware keyboard doesn't switch Input language when pressing Ctrl+Space | 12:51 |
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| `0660 | nomis, yes it is | 12:53 |
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| `0660 | at least in finnish ä and ö letters are used in about 20% of the words | 12:54 |
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| wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/symbian-provides-early-glimpse-at-2011-nokia-smartphone-experien/ | 12:54 |
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| `0660 | and using a and o instead of them looks really clumsy | 12:54 |
| `0660 | and sometimes changes the meaning | 12:54 |
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| inz | wazd, looks totally not unlike maemo5 | 12:58 |
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| nomis | `0660: I am just worried about the discrepancy between the stuff printed on the KB and the functionality. This would probably need a big fat status indicator somewhere. | 13:00 |
| inz | nomis, for me the problem is indeed the prints, i have uk/us layout printed so id like to normally use it | 13:01 |
| `0660 | when pressing ctrl+space, it already says quite clearly that it is changing the input languages | 13:01 |
| `0660 | also, this would only happen with people who have set up two languages | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51, ruskie, etc: http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/01/making-flashable-rootfss-for-n900.html | 13:02 |
| inz | nomis, but nt want to go through major hassle when writing finnish | 13:02 |
| `0660 | yeah, i also have us layout, so i have huge trouble inputting special characters in finnish layout | 13:02 |
| nomis | yeah, I understand the problem. I am german and I cannot even enter 'ß' at all with the english kb layout. | 13:02 |
| ruskie | Stskeeps, SWEET | 13:03 |
| `0660 | i'm sure a status bar applet would be trivial to implement | 13:03 |
| ruskie | might even interest Jebba :) | 13:03 |
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| nomis | but when switching the layout 'z' and 'y' would exchange position... | 13:04 |
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| Stskeeps | ruskie: i use the snapshot thing very often as i screw up my n900 immensely at times | 13:04 |
| ruskie | Stskeeps, I wish that was known earlier | 13:05 |
| nomis | `0660: heh,. that notifier does not even tell me which language it switched *to*. Plus it disappears within a second. | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: yeah, sorry, known the info for months but i should have blogged it earlier :P | 13:05 |
| ruskie | Stskeeps, any way to grab a snapshot of the devices rootfs? other than ssh tar it over? | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: i rsync it to SD personally | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: noone says we can't do something cool with g_ether and bootmenu.sh now though | 13:06 |
| thesov | rsync is good! | 13:06 |
| thesov | hey sts remember me im the guy with the x64 who bricked the n900 | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: like remount the rootfs read-only and then ship it over | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | thesov: does it work again? | 13:06 |
| thesov | thanks to your help its working again | 13:06 |
| `0660 | i'm pretty used to changing the layout whenever the characters i type don't match my expectations | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | the nokia guys were helpful? | 13:06 |
| thesov | I went over to the nokia store and asked them to charge my batter and they just replaced it with a new one for me | 13:07 |
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| thesov | i had a battery that was part of a recall a 5c or something | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | oh, that's cool | 13:07 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: flasher can snapshot your rootfs? | 13:07 |
| ruskie | there's a battery recall? | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: no, sadly | 13:08 |
| thesov | yeah if your battery model ends in 5c | 13:08 |
| Corsac | so how do you do that? with dd? | 13:08 |
| ruskie | thesov, on any device? | 13:08 |
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| thesov | any n series device | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: rsync your rootfs over to ext3 :P | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | and then re-make the fs | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | it's just files anyway | 13:08 |
| thesov | http://batteryreplacement.nokia.com/batteryreplacement/en/ | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: heh, other possibility.. - defrag for n900 ;p | 13:08 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: ok | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | rsync everything out, recompress, flash back ;p | 13:09 |
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| thesov | when you use the flasher utility doesnt it just erase your root fs anyway? | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | but now we can make own rootfs's too | 13:09 |
| thesov | eh? | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | thesov: well, make our own rootfs's we can flash onto device | 13:10 |
| ruskie | Stskeeps, I wasn't aware it needed defraging ;) | 13:10 |
| * ruskie hopes he finally has the breakrepo script working | 13:10 | |
| thesov | how does that work, i thought the 256 meg disk on chip was the only boot capable device | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | thesov: nah, most stuff is boot capable | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | but we have multiboot too | 13:10 |
| thesov | so you dont use the nokia updates? | 13:11 |
| * ruskie wonders who at nokia ppl would have to beg to replace nolo with uboot | 13:11 | |
| wazd | damn, I can't even check out my own theme :D | 13:11 |
| thesov | wouldnt that break your setup? | 13:11 |
| nomis | the battery in my n900 is a BL-5J | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: you should be able to insert it into Maemo SDK too | 13:11 |
| thesov | mine was too nomis but they replaced it anyway | 13:12 |
| ruskie | /home/user/MyDocs/.break-repository/break-osso-profiles-l10n-frca_6.0+r7359+0m5_all.deb mmm... hope the preinst script will work once I try it... | 13:12 |
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| lcuk | wazd you are the only person in russia without an n900 (who wants one). what exactly prevents you from getting one unlike all the other people? | 13:13 |
| Muhvi | hi, should the browser support vertical browsing now? and how do i enable it ? | 13:13 |
| Muhvi | (N900) | 13:13 |
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| Stskeeps | ctrl-shift-o, slide keyboard bac kin | 13:13 |
| thesov | control shift o | 13:13 |
| Muhvi | mhmhm | 13:13 |
| ruskie | Stskeeps, do make the bootmenu hook for teh sd dump though | 13:13 |
| Muhvi | doesn't seem to do anything with my phone | 13:13 |
| thesov | has anyone figured out how to overclock the phone? | 13:13 |
| ruskie | Stskeeps, but how could you have fixed the issue that happened to me... i.e. NOKIA logo keeps reloading | 13:13 |
| wazd | lcuk: I'm not that rich | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | thesov: we got explictly warned not to do that at summit | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | it -will- torch the cpu | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:14 |
| thesov | i know | 13:14 |
| wazd | lcuk: $1k is a bit high price even for a device I want | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | (i think they tested) | 13:14 |
| thesov | thats why im going to add a heatsink to my cpu | 13:14 |
| thesov | its below the battery | 13:14 |
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| thesov | and theirs a metal plate right their | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | after your close call, isn't that a bit risk? | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | y | 13:14 |
| thesov | so if u use thermal grease and small sheet of glass u can thermally connect the cpu to the metal enclosure | 13:15 |
| lcuk | ahh | 13:15 |
| ruskie | I'm actually worried with the heat simply while I have openvpn running and some music playing | 13:15 |
| woglinde | hi lcuk | 13:15 |
| ruskie | thesov, glass??? | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | thesov: keep in mind this isn't a traditional x86 processor :P | 13:15 |
| lcuk | did you solve your paypal issue? | 13:15 |
| thesov | not the regular glass, the stuff they use to make processor dies | 13:15 |
| lcuk | i will happily put something into it | 13:15 |
| ruskie | btw Stskeeps what are those full path to base ubi img things? | 13:15 |
| thesov | but the unit feels so underpowered | 13:16 |
| redeeman | Stskeeps: don't we need to flash another bootloader to boot from sd? | 13:16 |
| lcuk | (not much mind you lol, but certainly ill help you along your way a little) | 13:16 |
| frals | wazd: did you sign up on the fremantle device listqueuethingy on the wiki? | 13:16 |
| thesov | when i open the app manager, im not kidding the processor spikes at 100 percent for over 30 seconds | 13:16 |
| wazd | frals: yes | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | redeeman: no, but kernel is always loaded from USB or from NAND | 13:16 |
| frals | okey, just checking so you didnt miss that :) | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | redeeman: in most cases the system is OK enough to run /sbin/preinit | 13:16 |
| ruskie | thesov, so try doing a cat on /var/dpkg/lib/status on a debian system | 13:16 |
| ruskie | it takes a while to do it as well | 13:17 |
| alterego | I'm working on a scratchbox+buildroot system for the company I work for for our own embedded linux dist. | 13:17 |
| wazd | lcuk: it can't be "fixed" | 13:17 |
| redeeman | Stskeeps: ah ok, i wanted to run a custom kernel | 13:17 |
| alterego | Pretty fun. | 13:17 |
| lcuk | :( | 13:17 |
| wazd | lcuk: it's paypal issue | 13:17 |
| thesov | but the n900 catalogs are much smaller than a full blown debian system | 13:17 |
| ruskie | redeeman, you can :) | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | redeeman: you are fully able to | 13:17 |
| ruskie | thesov, relative to the device not really | 13:17 |
| redeeman | ruskie: yes but i was hoping i didn't have to put new on nand or new bootloader | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | redeeman: just don't assume kexec works :/ | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: my condolences, you will loose your sanity | 13:18 |
| alterego | redeeman: the flasher allows you to flash a kernel | 13:18 |
| ruskie | thesov, and the stuff you see in HAM is a small subset of the repositiories | 13:18 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: it's working pretty well so far :P | 13:18 |
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| wazd | lcuk: we have OMWeather account and we already spent $140 that we got on one DDP device | 13:18 |
| ruskie | redeeman, hmm so not replace the kernel? just have a second one available | 13:18 |
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| redeeman | ruskie: elaborate, that would require me to switch bootloader no? | 13:18 |
| wazd | anyway, I don't want to discuss it actually | 13:19 |
| ruskie | redeeman, technically you can do it by following the instructions on Jebbas wiki page... backup the old modules... install the new kernel... restore the old modules | 13:19 |
| ruskie | then you can use flasher to replace the kernel | 13:19 |
| thesov | that flash update blew out all my symlinks and now i gotta recopy and recreate those symlinks , very annoying | 13:19 |
| ruskie | i.e. flash it back to original or to the new etc... | 13:19 |
| lcuk | wazd not trying to push, just want to see your issue solved | 13:19 |
| redeeman | ruskie: yeah i know i can flash to a new kernel, what i'd have liked to do was just load it from a file :) | 13:19 |
| ruskie | redeeman, petition nokie to switch to using uboot ? | 13:20 |
| ruskie | erm nokai | 13:20 |
| ruskie | gah | 13:20 |
| ruskie | can't type | 13:20 |
| redeeman | yeah uboot owns | 13:20 |
| alterego | They wont do that .. | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: not going to happen, especially with the changes for m6 devices | 13:20 |
| ruskie | I'd like to have it as well | 13:20 |
| ruskie | Stskeeps, you mean DRM? | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: sadly | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | but you don't switch bootloader mid-product | 13:20 |
| ruskie | to bad | 13:20 |
| redeeman | i fail to see how that affects a bootloader | 13:21 |
| ruskie | how about docs so that uboot devs can do it? | 13:21 |
| ruskie | redeeman, I'm guessing it'll have some drm hooks as well | 13:21 |
| thesov | has anyone ported IW to n900? the aircrack for n900 requires it | 13:21 |
| alterego | You could do it if you get jtag working. | 13:21 |
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| Stskeeps | there's no jtag ports visible on device pads, afaik | 13:21 |
| ruskie | Stskeeps, I guess the n900 will be the only maemo device I'll own then | 13:21 |
| redeeman | ruskie: i see no reason the bootloader needs to know any of that | 13:21 |
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| ruskie | redeeman, to be able to lock the kernel? | 13:21 |
| alterego | I'm sure there's some on the inside ;) | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: the DRM is quite less evil though :P | 13:22 |
| ruskie | Stskeeps, it's still DRM | 13:22 |
| thesov | \ | 13:22 |
| ruskie | I'm a tad hardcore on Free Software and DRM :) | 13:22 |
| thesov | why the hell would u want drm on an open device? | 13:22 |
| * Stskeeps shrugs and leaves this discussion for the professionals | 13:22 | |
| redeeman | ruskie: theres no reason why people shouldn't be able to boot another kernel, they can just have DRM stuff not run on custom kernels | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | redeeman: that's what the plan is | 13:22 |
| lardman | thesov: so you can view/listen to DRM'd content perhaps? | 13:22 |
| nomis | is it harmless to change the password of the "user" user? | 13:22 |
| redeeman | as such, theres no reason they couldnt use uboot | 13:22 |
| ruskie | nomis, it's harmless to change passwords | 13:23 |
| * nomis wants to login via dropbear. | 13:23 | |
| thesov | id rather pirate it, than use the drm version | 13:23 |
| thesov | when you use drm content you are empowering people who sell it. | 13:23 |
| redeeman | Stskeeps: ofcourse that doesn't mean nokia isn't asshat retarded for doing DRM, which is not gonna protect ANYTHING anyway | 13:23 |
| lardman | well that is truely wrong | 13:23 |
| ruskie | I'll just avoid DRMed media and software.. hell I even removed non-free from extras* repos | 13:23 |
| thresh | how do i get three stars on 1-2? ;) | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | redeeman: the other side of it is that nolo comes with a lot of nice support tools for nokia service centers | 13:23 |
| ruskie | thesov, content is something you are :) | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | porting that to uboot or the cost when a device suddenly has uboot instead of nolo is not neglible :P | 13:24 |
| ruskie | Stskeeps, and none for the hackers | 13:24 |
| redeeman | still, uboot is the superior software | 13:24 |
| redeeman | everyone should be using it | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | also, uboot is kinda bloated | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:24 |
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| ruskie | Stskeeps, it's not asking for much... just provide either info on what uboot should do to boot or provide a build of uboot | 13:24 |
| ruskie | but simply state it's not officially supported | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: that info costs to create as well | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | and what would benefit be? :P | 13:25 |
| redeeman | lol yeah, a few engineer hours | 13:25 |
| lardman | plus some lawyer hours | 13:25 |
| redeeman | lardman: only if they are retarded and demands that | 13:25 |
| lardman | but I guess if you pay for the work it will get done | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | plus maintaince hours | 13:25 |
| lardman | redeeman: that is the way business works | 13:25 |
| ruskie | Stskeeps, ability to do a lot of stuff without needing to rely on the flasher | 13:25 |
| thesov | have you guys seen the pandora?, its supposed to be awesome but for some reason i cant get ahold of one | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | a build of uboot isn't trivial either | 13:25 |
| redeeman | lardman: SOME businesses work | 13:25 |
| redeeman | Stskeeps: he only asked for docs OR builds | 13:26 |
| ruskie | thesov, because they only do pre-orders for now iirc | 13:26 |
| redeeman | docs are created one time for each device | 13:26 |
| lardman | thesov: it was supposed to be delivered more than a year ago, is still not done | 13:26 |
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| ruskie | lardman, I thought they shipped decemberL | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | redeeman: that said, restarting the flasher discussion wouldn't be a bad thing. | 13:26 |
| Hukka | pekuja: Have you noticed, that there are Megaman episodes in Ovi store :? | 13:26 |
| lardman | ruskie: I don't think so | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | err | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: | 13:26 |
| ruskie | Stskeeps, ??? what flasher discussion? | 13:26 |
| lardman | ruskie: perhaps a couple of dev devices or something? | 13:26 |
| ruskie | lardman, from what I know they had some 100+ consumer ones | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: hang on while i find the thread | 13:27 |
| thesov | my mouth is watering for flash 10 on the 900 | 13:27 |
| thesov | hulu desktop! | 13:27 |
| ruskie | lardman, ahh I see more issues | 13:27 |
| lardman | ruskie: http://www.open-pandora.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=98&Itemid=13&lang=en | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-community@maemo.org/msg00874.html and http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-community@maemo.org/msg00903.html is rest of thread | 13:28 |
| lardman | ruskie: always more issues ;) | 13:28 |
| ruskie | thesov, and mine for a break repo so I can keep everything looking nice for HAM but remove flash completly | 13:28 |
| thesov | u want flash gone? | 13:28 |
| thesov | odd, why? | 13:28 |
| ruskie | thesov, it's non-Free and completly pointless and useless | 13:28 |
| ruskie | :) | 13:29 |
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| Stskeeps | ruskie: basically nokia reached out but noone was there to actually do something about it | 13:29 |
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| ruskie | Stskeeps, I wonder if the -community ML is better than the -devel one | 13:29 |
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| thesov | but many many websites use it. also the flash on the n900 is not quite full it refuses to load apps that play music and the like | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: i'll put flasher on my list but i will need to find people who know enough to maintain flasher | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | or help maintaining it | 13:29 |
| thesov | playlist, grooveshark etc dont work on the n900 | 13:30 |
| ruskie | Stskeeps, how about the 0xffff crew? | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: it's one guy | 13:30 |
| ruskie | so ? it's a start | 13:30 |
| ruskie | thesov, I don't care if they use it... the web for me is NOT a media player, book reader etc... it's just a huge information store from where I can retrieve data(be it media or anything else) | 13:31 |
| ruskie | thesov, so only thing I generally need is a way to read text | 13:31 |
| thesov | so u want a base install and links? | 13:31 |
| ruskie | elinks if we're there to be precise :) | 13:32 |
| ruskie | but yeah | 13:32 |
| thesov | im kidding of course :P | 13:32 |
| ruskie | that is generally sufficent for my needs | 13:32 |
| ruskie | and I'm not the only one | 13:32 |
| ruskie | I know a person that doesn't even use X | 13:32 |
| ruskie | does everything in terminals | 13:32 |
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| ruskie | most of the stuff I run is terminal based but I use X as a terminal multiplexer | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | true | 13:32 |
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| thesov | has anyone ported IW to arm yet? | 13:33 |
| thesov | i need it for aircrack | 13:33 |
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| villager | thesov: then those websites should stop using flash and find a technology that's not total pile of crap | 13:33 |
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| lardman | lol http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?/topic/51442-what-is-the-status-of/ | 13:34 |
| lardman | read first post on that page, then last | 13:34 |
| thesov | also i heard theirs a project to get a host controlling functionality on the n900? | 13:34 |
| thesov | usb* | 13:34 |
| ruskie | how? | 13:35 |
| thesov | i dont know their is a project in the repository for it | 13:36 |
| thesov | its called usbcontrol | 13:37 |
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| thesov | i suppose one could be a usb client device that would have host control headers in it and pass info along to the n900 which could emulate the rest | 13:38 |
| lardman | thesov: that's for the N8x0 devices iirc | 13:39 |
| thesov | using an arduino or something a little more powerfull | 13:39 |
| woglinde | coolio | 13:39 |
| woglinde | we have maemo_vehicle for navit | 13:39 |
| woglinde | and the segfault problem is known | 13:39 |
| ruskie | hmm navit would be nice to have | 13:39 |
| woglinde | failure compiling with freetype | 13:40 |
| ruskie | and maybe hook it with espeak for the voice comms | 13:40 |
| woglinde | seems I will work hard this weekend | 13:40 |
| woglinde | to get into the builder | 13:40 |
| woglinde | ruskie I nearly pushed all depends | 13:40 |
| woglinde | only 2 or so missing | 13:40 |
| thesov | or maybe someone can write drivers for a network usb device? | 13:41 |
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| ruskie | thesov, there are a few USB/IP projects iirc | 13:42 |
| ruskie | http://usbip.sourceforge.net/ | 13:42 |
| ruskie | have fun | 13:42 |
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| thesov | god, i really need to learn to program | 13:42 |
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| ruskie | I need to improve my skills to actually be bale to do anything other than shell scripting | 13:43 |
| lardman | nothing like a little project to motivate you | 13:43 |
| ruskie | but so far shell scipting was always enough for all my needs | 13:43 |
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| thesov | what language would u guys recommend a beginner learn, i been hearing alot about python | 13:44 |
| alterego | ruskie: python or ruby would be a good evolution | 13:44 |
| alterego | thesov: ^ | 13:44 |
| lardman | python I reckon | 13:44 |
| lardman | or asm | 13:44 |
| alterego | Heh | 13:44 |
| lardman | ;) | 13:44 |
| ruskie | alterego, I already did some ruby and I actually like ruby since it let's me do things more or less the way I want them... not to mention no stupidy with whitespace like python has | 13:44 |
| thesov | its a good high level language? does it have serious limitations? | 13:45 |
| glass_ | python you can find lots of 'newbie' coding howtos etc | 13:45 |
| ruskie | alterego, and I actually know Java minimal C and Pascal | 13:45 |
| alterego | I'm contemplating writing maemo-lang ^.^ | 13:45 |
| ruskie | thesov, it's retarted about whitespaces | 13:45 |
| lardman | not really | 13:45 |
| lardman | just different | 13:46 |
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| Gilly | thesov: Haskell is also a good option for general programming but it's not a good choice for Maemo (yet). I think it could be easier to learn Haskell when you have no former programming background in imperative languages. | 13:46 |
| lardman | but in terms of value for time invested, python will at least be useful on pretty much any platform | 13:47 |
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| lardman | and has bindings for most things you might want to use that are not written in python | 13:47 |
| hrw | morning | 13:47 |
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| ruskie | I don't have much of a problem with understanding the code as I do with writing it... generally takes me a lot of time to put an idea into code | 13:47 |
| lardman | hrw: morning | 13:47 |
| Gilly | Python would be my imperative language of choice as well. | 13:47 |
| woglinde | hi hrw | 13:47 |
| Gilly | It's a very good language to get into touch with programming and move on from if needed. | 13:48 |
| BirdFlew | g'day all | 13:48 |
| lardman | hi BirdFlew | 13:48 |
| ruskie | lo | 13:48 |
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| ruskie | hmm Stskeeps do your instructions apply to the eMMC as well for flashing? | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | no | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | that part i don't know anything about sorry | 13:50 |
| ruskie | :( | 13:50 |
| BirdFlew | are the maemo repos down for anyone else? | 13:51 |
| ruskie | asking since I have emmc repartitioned | 13:51 |
| ruskie | Brumle, server move | 13:51 |
| ruskie | will be offline for the day or so | 13:51 |
| ruskie | gah | 13:51 |
| ruskie | BirdFlew, even | 13:51 |
| BirdFlew | righto | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: i am kinda curious how that works though | 13:51 |
| ruskie | BirdFlew, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40496 | 13:51 |
| ruskie | Stskeeps, the repartitioning? | 13:51 |
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| Stskeeps | ruskie: no, the emmc flash | 13:52 |
| lardman | hmm, where was the server offline announcement? | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: everywhere, planet.maemo.org, t.m.o, etc | 13:52 |
| ruskie | even a notice here | 13:52 |
| lardman | ml? | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | think so | 13:52 |
| lardman | I didn't see it | 13:52 |
| hrw | konttori: is there a way to know will nokia fix calendar bugs in pr1.2? | 13:53 |
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| ruskie | Stskeeps, hmm well the emmc image can be disected... so I guess it could be rebuilt as well | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: i think someone claimed it was a specialized kernel or something | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | with a mini rootfs | 13:54 |
| ruskie | ow | 13:54 |
| ruskie | hmm I must say the pr1.1 fixed one annoying thing... it doesn't disconnect me at random anymore | 13:55 |
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| ruskie | sometimes I just lost connection | 13:55 |
| nibia | @all Does anyone know how can I enable IPv6 at maemo 5?? | 13:55 |
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| hrw | konttori: for example #5294, | 13:56 |
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| ruskie | nibia, new kernel | 13:56 |
| ruskie | and everything recompiled to support it? | 13:56 |
| nibia | yes | 13:56 |
| ruskie | considering the ipv4 exhaustion it's odd that ipv6 wasn't on by default | 13:56 |
| ruskie | but I guess it's assume that most cellcos do some sort of nating | 13:57 |
| nibia | @ruskie humm, I see | 13:57 |
| hrw | konttori: for example #5294, #6362, #5540, #5954, #6051, #6489 etc... | 13:58 |
| hrw | man... calendar UI has too many bugs to be listed ;( | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: from Eero: - eMMC flashing isn't done by the bootloader, it starts kernel & minimal user-space system to do the eMMC flashing. | 13:58 |
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| hrw | 94 bugs present in bugzilla... | 13:58 |
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| Stskeeps | ruskie: i think i'm going to try and unpack a emmc image | 13:58 |
| ruskie | Stskeeps, I did unpack it myself | 13:59 |
| ruskie | when I needed the default MyDocs :) | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | well, flasher-3.5 -u? | 13:59 |
| ruskie | yup | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | i just wonder how it's done | 13:59 |
| ruskie | hmm I think checking the init scipts is a good idea as well | 13:59 |
| ruskie | iirc there are some things mentioned there as well | 14:00 |
| ruskie | gah still no mailer switchboard | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: i just wonder if there's more than the 'mmc' part of the fiasco image so | 14:01 |
| ruskie | Stskeeps, feel free to check but I think there wasn't | 14:01 |
| ruskie | Stskeeps, this might be of help as well: /etc/init.d/rcS:in_flash_mode() | 14:02 |
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| ruskie | Stskeeps, and: start_softupd | 14:03 |
| ruskie | Stskeeps, /etc/init.d/softupd.rcS | 14:03 |
| ruskie | that's the thing | 14:04 |
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| ruskie | hmm need to see once bootmenu is updated to PR 1.1 about getting a rescue chroot or two on the device | 14:06 |
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| ruskie | or even a pivot_root | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | yeah i guess softupd would be the one doing it | 14:06 |
| tybollt | hmm | 14:07 |
| tybollt | is there return receipt posibility for texts? | 14:07 |
| ruskie | tybollt, enable it iirc | 14:07 |
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| tybollt | aaah there it is, sorry :) | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: then mmc flashing isn't as cool as i thought it was :P | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | i thought it started a initrd and stuff so | 14:10 |
| ruskie | Stskeeps, I guess one could even use dd :) | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 14:10 |
| ruskie | hmm still need to try making an initramfs | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | you need something that is merged with zimage somehow | 14:10 |
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| ruskie | initramfs allows that | 14:10 |
| ruskie | just enter it in the kernel config | 14:10 |
| ruskie | and it will store it into the kernel | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that needs to be checked | 14:11 |
| ruskie | fbcon would be I guess needed there though | 14:11 |
| RST38h | Eeeek: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/15/china_avatar/ | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: in kernel, yeah | 14:12 |
| ruskie | I'll wait for Jebba to do another kernel build with the update | 14:12 |
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| ruskie | then modify it for my needs... after that try to figure out how to do an initramfs | 14:13 |
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| ruskie | I never did any intir{d/amfs} setups | 14:13 |
| alterego | ruskie: it just so happens I've been working on initramfs' all week ^.^ | 14:13 |
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| ruskie | alterego, for the n900? | 14:14 |
| ruskie | RST38h, good thing I'll never bother watching it | 14:14 |
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| alterego | ruskie: No, for an embedded system we use at work. | 14:15 |
| alterego | ruskie: same kind of thing though | 14:15 |
| RST38h | ruskie: I probably will, in a year or so | 14:16 |
| RST38h | ruskie: May, after all, be good | 14:16 |
| ruskie | RST38h, I saw a nice fail entry somewhere... goes like this: -Disney's- Cameron's -Pocahontas- Avatar | 14:17 |
| ruskie | :) | 14:17 |
| ruskie | simply substituning names and events | 14:17 |
| ruskie | apparently most of the story is the same :) | 14:17 |
| Nitial | it's not even the only one :) | 14:18 |
| Nitial | http://jboriss.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/james_cameron_avatar1.png | 14:18 |
| RST38h | ruskie: Well, the theme itself is not new | 14:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | nobbing aliens. | 14:18 |
| RST38h | Nitial: Ahhahaha | 14:19 |
| wazd | awcmon, you really expect some deep noir storyline from a family movie? :D | 14:19 |
| RST38h | wazd: Yes. | 14:19 |
| wazd | RST38h: meh :) | 14:19 |
| pupnik_ | is it offtopic day here? | 14:19 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik_: stop being offtopic! | 14:19 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Should I whine about Modest some more instead? =)~ | 14:20 |
| ruskie | pupnik_, well servers are being moved... nothing much else to do but be off topic ;) | 14:20 |
| pupnik_ | i am containing myself | 14:20 |
| ruskie | RST38h, just write a mail switchboard app already | 14:20 |
| ruskie | ;) | 14:20 |
| ruskie | so we can replace it with something better as the default mail client | 14:20 |
| RST38h | Naah, I just ssh + pine | 14:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Add repository.microsoft.com, and apt-get dist-upgrade | 14:20 |
| ruskie | RST38h, not alpine or re-alpine? | 14:21 |
| RST38h | Well, I have no idea what version of pine it is, looks all the same | 14:21 |
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| ruskie | version should be upper left | 14:21 |
| ruskie | ALPINE 2.01(1266) | 14:21 |
| zash | pupnik_: every day is offtopic day on irc! | 14:21 |
| RST38h | PINE 4.64 | 14:21 |
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| ruskie | RST38h, what I'd like is to have a build of re-alpine for the n900 and be able to hit a mail link and have it open it in compose | 14:23 |
| ruskie | other than that I don't really have a use for a mail client | 14:23 |
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| RST38h | Building alpine for Maemo has been done | 14:23 |
| ruskie | I know | 14:23 |
| RST38h | I guess hitting mail links is off the table though | 14:24 |
| ruskie | but I mean an extras package as well :) | 14:24 |
| ruskie | why? | 14:24 |
| RST38h | See no easy way to do it | 14:24 |
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| ruskie | as said need a mail switchboard | 14:24 |
| ruskie | kinda like the browser switchboard | 14:24 |
| RST38h | even with the switchboard... | 14:24 |
| ruskie | then all that's needed is: alpine addrs>...Go directly into composer sending to given address | 14:24 |
| RST38h | you click in xterm, so xterm should know what to do with it | 14:24 |
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| Hukka | I wish there was another kind of zoom for the browser too :/ One that actually changes the layout | 14:25 |
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| RST38h | Hukka: There is. | 14:25 |
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| Hukka | RST38h: I know about reflow, but that disables the normal zoom | 14:25 |
| Hukka | RST38h: I'd like to have both at the same time | 14:25 |
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| Hukka | Adding portrait, I would get a really nice way to read news and blogs | 14:26 |
| Hukka | Now most pages are a bit too wide for the portrait mode | 14:26 |
| Hukka | And with reflow on, I can't get rid of the extra crud. Navigation menus and so on. | 14:26 |
| ruskie | RST38h, all apps iirc send the mailto event to dbus and dbus is what triggers the client | 14:27 |
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| Hukka | Something like shift-ZOOM for reflowing zoom would be perfect | 14:27 |
| pupnik_ | the only people i see wanting portrait browsing are phone-users, and americans | 14:27 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik_: it is handy for reading large amounts of text | 14:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik_: I've read a couple of novels now - in portrait | 14:28 |
| SpeedEvil | fbreader++ | 14:28 |
| Hukka | pupnik_: I like it, since in landscape the lines are a bit too long | 14:28 |
| pupnik_ | hmm | 14:28 |
| ruskie | I have an enik 6" reader for reading books :) | 14:28 |
| ruskie | erm eink even | 14:28 |
| pupnik_ | thanks for the correction | 14:28 |
| tybollt | yeah | 14:28 |
| * RST38h wonders if that makes him a phone user or an american | 14:28 | |
| Hukka | pupnik_: Mabe I'm old school, but 80 chars a line is what I'm used to | 14:28 |
| tybollt | I have a dedicated enook reader | 14:28 |
| tybollt | that freench company | 14:28 |
| ruskie | I wouldn't read on the n900 screen even if I got offerd money for it | 14:28 |
| tybollt | bokeen | 14:28 |
| RST38h | Because YES, I WANT portrait mode in the browser and the book reader | 14:28 |
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| Hukka | RST38h: Amen | 14:29 |
| ruskie | tybollt, Jinke Hanlin V3 | 14:29 |
| RST38h | ruskie: It is ok really | 14:29 |
| ruskie | and I might get the A9 serious when they get it | 14:29 |
| tybollt | ruskie: ? | 14:29 |
| ruskie | tybollt, that's the eink reader I have :) | 14:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Hukka: 80 chars a line works well if you are close to a static display. | 14:29 |
| Hukka | ruskie: I don't want another device in my pockets for travelling | 14:29 |
| RST38h | ruskie: Not exactly like reading a normal book but ok | 14:29 |
| pupnik_ | websites dont really want to serve you text, their game is to lure with text and serve ads | 14:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Hukka: Doesn't work so well if you're further from a moving display. | 14:29 |
| Hukka | SpeedEvil: Well, I'm not quite sure what would be nicest on N900, but something less than what I get on N900 on the levels I zoom to | 14:30 |
| ruskie | RST38h, well I can't stand anything else other than paper like view | 14:30 |
| ruskie | RST38h, and eink is decent for that | 14:30 |
| ruskie | Hukka, I prefer my eyes | 14:30 |
| tybollt | ruskie: Ah, I have the cybook | 14:30 |
| Hukka | ruskie: They need some exercise :) | 14:30 |
| Hukka | ruskie: You do walk the stairs too, instead of using the elevator, right :? | 14:31 |
| ruskie | Hukka, yes... they do... and rest as well :) a backlit screen doesnt do | 14:31 |
| tybollt | hukka: GOD no. :) | 14:31 |
| ruskie | Hukka, I don't have an elevator anywhere | 14:31 |
| Hukka | ruskie: Oh, old school :) | 14:31 |
| ruskie | and I liev on the 3rd floor... most people that come to visit that are a lot healtthier than me(asthma) get winded | 14:31 |
| ruskie | and I tend to not have much probs there | 14:31 |
| tybollt | I live ona first floor | 14:32 |
| tybollt | very bad for my health - yes | 14:32 |
| ruskie | Hukka, anyway a backlit display hurts my eyes... a small backlit display actually hurts more than a big one at that | 14:32 |
| ruskie | but both are bad for me | 14:32 |
| Hukka | ruskie: Ok. I'm fine with them, fortunately | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | The backlight frequency of the display on the n900 is too low. | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I keep meaning to see if that's changeable. | 14:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Try simple-brightness-applet | 14:33 |
| SpeedEvil | I find it's lots more readable at low brightness | 14:33 |
| ruskie | Hukka, and also a 3.5" screen is to small to read for me a 6" is just at the tail end of readable | 14:33 |
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| pupnik_ | maemo backup restored all the little stuff i left in /home/user... thank you! | 14:34 |
| tybollt | ruskie: well ebooks don't have refresh rate, that's why they are pleasant and cause less strain on your eyes | 14:34 |
| ruskie | can't wait for the 9" one | 14:34 |
| tg | hm, rss feed reader stopped working for me after the pr1.0.1 update, all the feeds were gone | 14:34 |
| ruskie | tybollt, eink screens don't have refresh rate as well :) | 14:34 |
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| mece | repos up yet? | 14:34 |
| ruskie | tybollt, they don't consume power as well... unles you "turn" a page :) | 14:34 |
| tybollt | ruskie: yeah this goes for all ebook resders, eink, bookeen, amazon, etc | 14:34 |
| tybollt | readers | 14:34 |
| ruskie | my V3 lasts for 3 weeks and then some depending on how much I read | 14:35 |
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| tg | and i just noticed now that the /home partition got filled up because it filled the searchentries file with <upd then few gigabytes of 0x00's | 14:35 |
| ruskie | and it's running openinkpot so I'm not stuck with the default firmware | 14:35 |
| Hukka | ruskie: For me the resolution is the chokepoint. I can always just have the small screen closer to me | 14:35 |
| ruskie | Hukka, I already have glasses for distance | 14:35 |
| ruskie | don't want to mess my eyes further | 14:35 |
| ruskie | time to see if my breakrepo script actually works | 14:36 |
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| Stskeeps | new low on t.m.o | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | "Vote for quick release of Maemo 6" | 14:40 |
| Hukka | Erh | 14:41 |
| frals | lol | 14:41 |
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| Hukka | Well, there are also people who vote the politicians promising least amount of taxes... damn the crumbling schools | 14:41 |
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| juhjokel | Hukka: Well most of the voters are beyond school age anyway :P | 14:42 |
| wazd | oh my | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | someone needs to write an article on governance of maemo | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | 'Hint: It's not a democracy' | 14:42 |
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| wazd | Nokia should understand that $text$ | 14:43 |
| shd_ | nokia should document the damned network manager well | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 14:44 |
| shd_ | or release the source that people could reverse engineer their messages ;) | 14:44 |
| Corsac | does someone know 0xFFFF status? | 14:44 |
| shd_ | just bursting out frustration ;) | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | shd_: what particular issues do you have? | 14:45 |
| shd_ | Stskeeps: i would like to poll network manager to ask we have in wlan-infra or gprs | 14:46 |
| shd_ | s/we have/if we are/ | 14:46 |
| infobot | shd_ meant: Stskeeps: i would like to poll network manager to ask if we are in wlan-infra or gprs | 14:46 |
| frals | libconic can tell you that, no? | 14:46 |
| shd_ | it should be able to do that, yes.. | 14:46 |
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| shd_ | infobot <3 | 14:47 |
| infobot | I love you. <3 | 14:47 |
| shd_ | infobot: me too! | 14:47 |
| infobot | moi? | 14:47 |
| shd_ | Stskeeps: is this documented somewhere? | 14:48 |
| frals | libconic api docs are on maemo.org, which is moving servers >_< | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | shd_: libconic would do that yeah | 14:52 |
| shd_ | googling some more :) | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | it's oss too, libconic | 14:52 |
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| pupnik_ | ruskie: hopefully we'll get something that is daylight readable and yet fast enough to page through terminal text | 14:55 |
| ruskie | pupnik_, why? | 14:55 |
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| pupnik_ | for working | 14:55 |
| ruskie | I have an LCD device if I want fast responses | 14:55 |
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| pupnik_ | sucks power | 14:56 |
| pupnik_ | best thing there is for that is still a psion 5mx | 14:56 |
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| pupnik_ | yes, LCD, greyscale, no backlight | 14:58 |
| tybollt | oh | 14:59 |
| tybollt | <3 psion 5mx | 14:59 |
| tybollt | Though missus made me throw mine away a month ago :( | 14:59 |
| ruskie | lol | 14:59 |
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| juhjokel | tybollt: Did it have same kind of "how high you can throw me" application as N900 has? :) | 15:00 |
| tybollt | the only thing it lacked was connectivity - really... rs232 is ... suboptimal speed and connectivity wise ;) | 15:00 |
| tybollt | juhjokel: >:) | 15:00 |
| X-Fade | Any talk moderators here? | 15:00 |
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| chem|st | X-Fade: yes | 15:01 |
| chiku00 | hello | 15:01 |
| X-Fade | chem|st: Can you reopen http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40496 ? | 15:01 |
| chiku00 | which firmware I should use ? | 15:01 |
| chiku00 | RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1.003_PR_COMBINED_003_ARM.bin | 15:01 |
| chiku00 | or RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 15:01 |
| X-Fade | chem|st: We're not done yet. | 15:01 |
| chem|st | open X-Fade what is missing? I just checked the sites... | 15:02 |
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| X-Fade | repositories, builder, garage parts etc etc. | 15:02 |
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| roshenia | hi! | 15:02 |
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| chem|st | X-Fade: oh the repos I did not check | 15:02 |
| X-Fade | chem|st: And dns can take another 6 hours for some people. | 15:03 |
| roshenia | did i must in new firmware (51.1) add echo 1 > /sys/power/..... to some ? | 15:03 |
| chem|st | X-Fade: ok its open just check back when done | 15:03 |
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| roshenia | echo 0 > /sys/power/enable_off_mode && echo 1 > /sys/power/sr_vdd1_autocomp && echo 1 > /sys/power/sr_vdd2_autocomp | 15:05 |
| roshenia | i must add it or not in new firmware? | 15:06 |
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| Nitial | I wouldn't | 15:07 |
| Nitial | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7633#c21 | 15:08 |
| povbot | Bug 7633: Enable SmartReflex on N900 by default | 15:08 |
| roshenia | why? that commands (as i hear on community). activate come funktions | 15:08 |
| roshenia | Nitial, and? | 15:08 |
| Nitial | seems to cause crashes | 15:08 |
| roshenia | hmm. strange, i enable that and all okey, but i enable echo 0 > /sys/power/enable_off_mode | 15:09 |
| Nitial | I'm already much happier with the power management of the 51-1 | 15:10 |
| pupnik_ | roshenia: what are you trying to accomplish with those settings? | 15:10 |
| pupnik_ | https://gforge.ti.com/gf/project/omapkernel/wiki/?pagename=Power+Management | 15:11 |
| thresh | anyone got a .deb for angry birds level pack? ;) | 15:11 |
| pupnik_ | http://elinux.org/OMAP_Power_Management | 15:11 |
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| roshenia | pupnik_, i wanna get advce to fix problems with random reboots and improove PM | 15:11 |
| cosmo | thresh: someone said it's available free with apt-get | 15:11 |
| SpeedEvil | roshenia: First read the PM sections of the kernel. Then read the CPU datasheet. | 15:11 |
| thresh | i don't think it is now | 15:11 |
| SpeedEvil | roshenia: Then read the PMU datasheet. | 15:11 |
| roshenia | hmmm | 15:12 |
| pupnik_ | and do not set cpufreq manually to a high speed "you will burn out cpu" | 15:12 |
| thresh | i've completed all levels with 3 stars and want moooar | 15:12 |
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| roshenia | hmmmm | 15:12 |
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| flux | I played to level 14 before finding out what happens with the little birds when you touch the screen while they're flying | 15:13 |
| flux | they should give extra score for that :) | 15:14 |
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| pupnik_ | roshenia: have you seen 'random reboots' and checked /proc/bootreason? | 15:14 |
| pekuja | Hukka: I had not noticed that. I pretty much skipped all the videos | 15:14 |
| roshenia | pupnik_, no.... | 15:14 |
| pupnik_ | i can not recreate them at all. seems to be related to installed -devel stuff, perhaps. | 15:14 |
| roshenia | echo 0 > /sys/power/enable_off_mode can heat cpu? | 15:14 |
| pupnik_ | no, forcing cpufreq to max can | 15:15 |
| Hukka | pekuja: Seems quite old, which is good. But dubbed. | 15:15 |
| roshenia | but i didnt change cpufreq | 15:15 |
| pupnik_ | good! | 15:15 |
| Hukka | pekuja: I bought it mainly to test how Ovi store works for paid content and to see if there are any drms and so on | 15:15 |
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| roshenia | SmartReflex control can broke n900? | 15:17 |
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| pekuja | Hukka: so did it have DRM? | 15:20 |
| murrayc | Does anyone have the address for returning the maemo-summit N900s. I'm not sure where I have the piece of paper. | 15:21 |
| mece | murrayc, you wanna return it now? | 15:21 |
| pekuja | "oops, I totally forgot the address" | 15:21 |
| murrayc | Yes. | 15:21 |
| pekuja | "I guess I can't return it now" | 15:21 |
| mece | pekuja, my thoughts exactly | 15:21 |
| Hukka | pekuja: Doesn't seem to have, looks like plain 3gp | 15:22 |
| pekuja | Hukka: cool | 15:22 |
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| Stskeeps | murrayc: Terhi Nousu, P.O. BOX 226, FIN-00045 NOKIA GROUP | 15:23 |
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| murrayc | Stskeeps: Thanks. I wish that was somewhere online. | 15:24 |
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| Stskeeps | murrayc: could be wiki-izable i guess but i guess someone editing the address on where to send it would be rather comical :P | 15:24 |
| murrayc | Ha | 15:24 |
| chem|st | murrayc: do you want my privat or office address? ask quim! | 15:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | roshenia: PM and stability are _horribly_ complex. To meaningfully debug you need to do a _LOT_ of reading | 15:29 |
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| rlinfati | Hi, the nokia repositories for n800 are with problem ? | 15:30 |
| rlinfati | http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/dists/diablo/user/binary-armel/Packages.gz | 15:30 |
| mece | repos are down | 15:31 |
| Hukka | are some audio codecs decoded on hw, or more precisly does decoding some codecs use less power? | 15:31 |
| Hukka | on n900, I mean | 15:31 |
| `0660 | Hukka, ye | 15:31 |
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| `0660 | s | 15:31 |
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| Hukka | which? | 15:31 |
| `0660 | some of them use hw | 15:32 |
| ShadowJK_ | http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2009/11/07/n900-battery-duration-ogg-vs-mp3/ | 15:32 |
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| rlinfati | bad day to reflash my n800... :( | 15:33 |
| Hukka | ShadowJK_: what about 'lesser' codecs :? | 15:34 |
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| ShadowJK_ | dunno, and I have no motivation to run a 2-day test to find out such things :) | 15:34 |
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| ShadowJK_ | actually more like 2 week test since I'd have to establish a baseline for my own device first | 15:35 |
| tybollt | is the n8xx and N900 compatible HW wise? | 15:35 |
| BriGe | http://www.lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139723800 New TORENT. | 15:35 |
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| ShadowJK_ | tybollt, no | 15:35 |
| thresh | tybollt: nope. | 15:35 |
| ShadowJK_ | tybollt, The N8x0 is a generation older | 15:35 |
| Hukka | sure, but if there's some released info, we would know without any effort | 15:35 |
| ShadowJK_ | What do you mean "released info"? Someone would have to test it, and I think people like their N900s a bit too much to give them up for weeks of testing :) | 15:36 |
| ShadowJK_ | I think that's what kulve said too, that the testing takes too much time ;) | 15:36 |
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| Hukka | ShadowJK_: having a doc that says what codecs are hw decoded | 15:37 |
| ShadowJK_ | Frankly I think they all are | 15:37 |
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| Hukka | since the usual material only says what are supported, which is different | 15:37 |
| Hukka | hm | 15:38 |
| ShadowJK_ | And ffvorbis is definitely software decoded, and does as well as Nokia's mp3 decoder... so even if the nokia mp3 decoder ran on DSP, it doesn't seem to provide any advantage... and the wait states for the CPU Core looked similar for them both, too | 15:38 |
| ShadowJK_ | I suspect only video codecs run on DSP | 15:38 |
| thresh | is git.maemo.org abandoned? | 15:38 |
| X-Fade | thresh: No, it will redirect to vcs.maemo.org though. | 15:39 |
| thresh | i was expecting to find recent busybox there :) | 15:39 |
| thresh | seems like someone forgots to push ;P | 15:39 |
| ShadowJK_ | Hukka, also... if you look in /lib/dsp... it looks like mostly video codecs? | 15:39 |
| alterego | Did any DDP winners get their phones insured? Just wondering if it was possible. | 15:40 |
| X-Fade | thresh: Maybe that project went to maemo.gitorious.com? | 15:40 |
| Hukka | ShadowJK_: ok | 15:40 |
| thresh | X-Fade: oh, could be, thanks! | 15:40 |
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| BriGe | http://www.lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139723800 Please everybody click on this site.. thats not a virus | 15:45 |
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| xorAxAx | please vote for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7334 | 15:46 |
| povbot | Bug 7334: audio disappear using other device functions(connecting-disconnecting wi-fi,hspa) | 15:46 |
| X-Fade | james: Can you kill BriGe? | 15:46 |
| DerSaidin | +1 that | 15:47 |
| Myrtti | he's not the sharpest pencil in the box, coming back so soon | 15:47 |
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| X-Fade | Just needs a nice k-line. | 15:47 |
| Myrtti | yup | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | it's probably all automated, though. | 15:48 |
| james | Hopefully that should be the end of the problem. If it recurs, feel free to prod me or another staffer :) | 15:48 |
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| pupnik_ | I'd still prefer N810 if the N900 keyboard weren't so superior | 15:48 |
| hrw|gone | andre__: I got this: "undef error - Insecure dependency in exec while running with -T switch at /usr/share/perl5/Mail/Mailer/sendmail.pm line 22. " when tried to report bug against Translations/Polish | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: brainstorm loads instantly, good job! | 15:48 |
| pupnik_ | or wasn't. | 15:48 |
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| andre__ | hrw|gone, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7854 | 15:49 |
| povbot | Bug 7854: undef error - Insecure dependency in exec while running with -T switch at /usr/share/perl5/Mail/Mailer/sendmail.pm line 22. | 15:49 |
| hrw|gone | andre__: thx | 15:49 |
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| andre__ | hrw|gone, I hope that feri can take a look at it soon | 15:49 |
| andre__ | because it did not happen before moving servers | 15:49 |
| andre__ | err, moving to new servers | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: random issue btw, it seems to me planet.maemo.org doesn't understand RSS timestamps that are anything but UTC | 15:50 |
| hrw|gone | andre__: thx. | 15:50 |
| hrw|gone | bug #8052 can be maybe interested for Polish speaking people | 15:50 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8052 "Dane sieci komórkowej niedostępne" sounds strange | 15:50 |
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| X-Fade | Stskeeps: No idea. | 15:52 |
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| X-Fade | Can somebody test the Extras Assistant? | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: k, will poke about this issue at some other point instead | 15:53 |
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| hrw|gone | andre__: 7864 and 7865 are probably duplicates | 15:54 |
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| hrw|gone | andre__: maybe even 7843 | 15:54 |
| hrw|gone | andre__: same with 7800/7801 | 15:54 |
| andre__ | hrw|gone, hmm, unsure. can you leave a comment in the reports? | 15:55 |
| hrw|gone | mkey | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: things working OK now? | 15:56 |
| AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps, new version hasn´t showed yet has is server move done? | 15:57 |
| * hrw|gone -> off | 15:57 | |
| Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: slowly getting there it seems | 15:57 |
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| wazd | tango out | 16:00 |
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| siriusnova | whats wrong with the maemo.org server? | 16:07 |
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| siriusnova | i cant download packages | 16:07 |
| siriusnova | im getting a hash mismathc | 16:07 |
| siriusnova | match | 16:07 |
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| fiferboy | AndrewFBlack: maemo-org 1.2-1 has the highlight issue :( | 16:09 |
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| nedko | hi ppl. i got my n900 two days ago! :) | 16:10 |
| fiferboy | AndrewFBlack: It does uninstall, though :) | 16:10 |
| AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps, anyway to fix highlight issue when building themes new way? | 16:10 |
| AndrewFBlack | fiferboy, lol | 16:10 |
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| Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: just follow the instructions in try_it_out.sh in newest version.. the problem is that you have to make the "maemo.org theme" into "Maemo.org theme" which is sure to throw GA into a fit | 16:13 |
| fiferboy | Stskeeps: lol! | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: well, if we can trace it down, theme name and theme description should be uppercase now | 16:13 |
| felipec | siriusnova: the servers are being moved AFAIK | 16:13 |
| siriusnova | aha | 16:13 |
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| fiferboy | Stskeeps: Actually, it only seems to be the GtkTheme entry in index.theme that matters. It almost seems like it has to have _different_ capitalization from the theme name | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | ... | 16:14 |
| felipec | siriusnova: but I think the package repos are back up | 16:14 |
| siriusnova | i get a hash mismatch | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | fiferboy: :blink: | 16:14 |
| siriusnova | for Packages.gz | 16:14 |
| fiferboy | Stskeeps: AndrewFBlack's latest maemo-org has a captial latter in the theme name (which also mean a capital in GtkTheme) | 16:15 |
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| Stskeeps | fiferboy: i wonder what causes that bug :P | 16:16 |
| MaemohammadAG | anyone know if the 90999 number works outside the US | 16:17 |
| fiferboy | Stskeeps: If I switch it to a lower case in index.theme (for GtkTheme only) and in gtk-2.0/gtkrc it works fine :| | 16:17 |
| AndrewFBlack | fiferboy, so name is right now right | 16:18 |
| TriztFromWork | MaemohammadAG; you mean a shortnumber from us? | 16:18 |
| AndrewFBlack | anyway to have script change the lettr to lower case? | 16:18 |
| fiferboy | AndrewFBlack: It seems whichever way the name is is the wrong way | 16:18 |
| MaemohammadAG | TriztFromWork, donation for haiti | 16:18 |
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| MaemohammadAG | idk if it's in the US | 16:18 |
| AndrewFBlack | fiferboy, its uppercase but doesn't theme name have to be upper case | 16:19 |
| fiferboy | AndrewFBlack: It depends. If the theme name is upper case, than the GtkTheme name needs to be lowercase | 16:19 |
| TriztFromWork | MaemohammadAG; all shortnumbers are national, so if your country has a 90999 registred and it's for the haiti help, then yes, otherwise no | 16:19 |
| Flandry | Anyone know whether the XSetScreenSaver functions work in Fremantle? | 16:19 |
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| woglinde | hi fiferboy | 16:20 |
| fiferboy | Stskeeps, AndrewFBlack: Actually, the entry in index.theme doesn't matter (apparently), only the one in gtk-2.0/gtkrc | 16:20 |
| fiferboy | Hi woglinde | 16:20 |
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| Stskeeps | fiferboy: is the gtkrc one visible anywhere? | 16:20 |
| fiferboy | Stskeeps: I don't think so. I changed gtk-theme-name from "Maemo-org" to "maemo-org" and it works - that is the only change I needed to get it to work | 16:21 |
| fiferboy | You don't even have to reload the theme to get it to take effect (although you might have to restart running apps) | 16:22 |
| X-Fade | Cool decoders-support 0.3 just got promoted on the new servers ;) | 16:22 |
| X-Fade | Glad to see that working. | 16:22 |
| AndrewFBlack | just a heads up Juppo is havn same error with Hi tech theme or he was the other day | 16:22 |
| fiferboy | AndrewFBlack: Yep, I checked that one too, the same change works there | 16:23 |
| red | http://i29.tinypic.com/10gidzr.jpg | 16:23 |
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| Bluewind | hm just installed some apps from ovi store but the icons only work after reboot (dektop icons) | 16:23 |
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| fiferboy | Stskeeps: But with reflect, which has a lower case theme name, I need to change gtk-theme-name to "Reflect" :/ | 16:24 |
| fiferboy | Stskeeps, AndrewFBlack: the "melody" theme from the ovi store has the same configuration - lower case theme name, but gtk-theme-name in gtkrc is "Melody" | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | fiferboy: i guess we can script it in the template | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | since the uppercase one is invisible | 16:25 |
| fiferboy | Stskeeps: Yes, I think the only visible name comes from index.theme | 16:26 |
| AndrewFBlack | I´m just happy my theme is working again lol going to test then push to testing to get everyones phone working right again | 16:27 |
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| fiferboy | Stskeeps: I think theme maker acts this way - if you give it an upper-case theme name it uses the lower case version for gtk-theme-name | 16:27 |
| fiferboy | Stskeeps: But if you give it a lower case theme name you get the highlighting problem because the case matches | 16:28 |
| fiferboy | Very, very strange bug | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | so it only needs to be uppercase if the index.theme name is lowercase.. | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | and reverse | 16:28 |
| fiferboy | Stskeeps: Yep | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | just trying to understand :P | 16:30 |
| fiferboy | It doesn't make any sense, but that is how it looks :) | 16:30 |
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| fiferboy | Stskeeps: Did you write the hildon-theme-tools? | 16:31 |
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| Stskeeps | no, that's maemo stuff | 16:32 |
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| Stskeeps | my contribution was turning variant-template into something usable by theme makers | 16:32 |
| pigpen_ | HI, new to the chat room. Just had an N900 dropped off but do have some experience on an N800. I am having trouble installing some apps, keep getting broken pipe message in log. Any help would be approeciated. | 16:32 |
| * AndrewFBlack doesn´t think Stskeeps knows how big a contribution that was | 16:33 | |
| X-Fade | AndrewFBlack: Which version of your package is the correct one? | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: hey, i get something in return too :P any themes made this way will work for mer too | 16:34 |
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| AndrewFBlack | X-Fade, 1.2-1 is last one I uploaded I think | 16:35 |
| X-Fade | AndrewFBlack: Ok, I see that on my N900. | 16:35 |
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| AndrewFBlack | fiferboy, if you try to delete an icon on my theme do you see X or the word con? | 16:36 |
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| gandhii | so whats with this latest maemo update? | 16:38 |
| woglinde | pr1.1 | 16:38 |
| gandhii | says i need to use some pc software.. but none came in the box | 16:38 |
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| gandhii | besides.. since when doesm debian need to be updated from a 2nd computer? | 16:39 |
| Flandry | What's the proper way to stop the screenblank? Use osso? | 16:40 |
| Bluewind | you didn't isntall 1.0.1? | 16:40 |
| range | Or you have libqt4-phonon installed? | 16:40 |
| range | Or your rootfs is full? | 16:40 |
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| ivan4th | is there any way to switch N900 display off but still see the user interface via x11vnc? | 16:41 |
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| qgil | Hi, does http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting work for you? | 16:42 |
| angasuleN810 | I want a hardware tab :/ | 16:42 |
| frals | yes | 16:42 |
| qgil | Imean the link :) | 16:42 |
| frals | as in yes qgil, the link works here :) | 16:42 |
| X-Fade | qgil: Nokia proxy/dns is laggy. | 16:43 |
| qgil | thanks, doesn't work for me but maybe just because I'm inside the Nokia intranet | 16:43 |
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| Bluewind | X-Fade: your an admin? | 16:43 |
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| Flandry | works fine | 16:44 |
| woglinde | qgil yes worked | 16:44 |
| X-Fade | Bluewind: do a whois ;) | 16:45 |
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| Bluewind | ah ok | 16:45 |
| Bluewind | might be an idea to add wiki.new.maemo.org and redirect / of the old server to that | 16:45 |
| gandhii | diskusage says i got 36 mgs | 16:45 |
| gandhii | free | 16:45 |
| Bluewind | later redirect wiki.new. back to wiki. | 16:46 |
| X-Fade | Bluewind: Dns requests take a day for us, so that does not help. | 16:46 |
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| tybollt | heh | 16:46 |
| Bluewind | hm ok i'm used to instant updates :( | 16:46 |
| tybollt | TTL ftw! | 16:46 |
| X-Fade | Bluewind: Yeah, me too. But not there ;) | 16:47 |
| Bluewind | ip of the new server? | 16:47 |
| woglinde | ah | 16:47 |
| woglinde | new server | 16:47 |
| woglinde | yeah | 16:47 |
| woglinde | okay | 16:47 |
| red | whats libqt4-phonon | 16:47 |
| woglinde | hehe | 16:47 |
| woglinde | fast fast maemo.org | 16:47 |
| fiferboy | AndrewFBlack: con | 16:47 |
| fiferboy | Weird | 16:47 |
| red | or more likely | 16:47 |
| woglinde | red multimedia abstraction lib | 16:47 |
| red | why its suggested to be removed for free space in order to update? :P | 16:48 |
| woglinde | original from kde project | 16:48 |
| red | does the update reinstall it? | 16:48 |
| AndrewFBlack | fiferboy, yeah I´ll look at that today and maybe we can get this highlight thing fixed so I can get a new copy in testing today | 16:48 |
| fiferboy | AndrewFBlack: And the settings wrench is gs_icon | 16:48 |
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| AndrewFBlack | fiferboy, thanks | 16:49 |
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| angasuleN810 | midori is kind of nice, why does tear get so much more headlines? | 16:53 |
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| tybollt | woglinde: I say.. that is quite some speed increase | 16:56 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Promotion better now? | 16:57 |
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| ivan4th | angasuleN810: does it still highlight all the text on the page whenever it can? | 17:02 |
| ivan4th | I tried midori before, but removed it due to that problem | 17:02 |
| woglinde | tyboolt so the machine is not the bottleneck | 17:02 |
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| angasuleN810 | hehe it doesn't have drag-scroll, yeah | 17:02 |
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| angasuleN810 | but being able to comfortably see several pages beats microb | 17:03 |
| ivan4th | angasuleN810: it would be not so bad if there was a way to disable selection at least | 17:03 |
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| Khertan | Hello everybody ! | 17:05 |
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| squidd | umm, anyone having problems with repositories? something about gzip | 17:07 |
| siriusnova | yes | 17:07 |
| siriusnova | the servers are being moved | 17:07 |
| siriusnova | apparently | 17:07 |
| squidd | ok, good :) | 17:08 |
| squidd | was kinda scared that i broke something :D | 17:08 |
| siriusnova | :) | 17:08 |
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| Flandry | yay new servers | 17:09 |
| squidd | you never know with these toys, so its better to ask :) | 17:09 |
| Khertan | someone have try pygtkeditor 3.0.4 ? | 17:09 |
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| ivan4th | by the way, is there any way to open files above MyDocs directory in pygtkeditor? | 17:19 |
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| kamui | yay! | 17:25 |
| kamui | portrait web browsing! | 17:25 |
| kamui | 1 step closer to pure 1 handed bliss :) | 17:26 |
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| angasuleN810 | bah, I want lcd goggles + chording keyboard | 17:30 |
| Bluewind | how to refresh the icons when installing an app? doesn't seem to work automatically since 1.1 | 17:31 |
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| Bluewind | hm doesn't affect every app | 17:35 |
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| rlinfati | The nokia repositories for n800/diablo are still down? | 17:37 |
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| LuciusMare | HI | 17:37 |
| LuciusMare | I am upgrading and,er... | 17:38 |
| LuciusMare | it seems it froze | 17:38 |
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| LuciusMare | it does not vibrate on touch,and the progress bar does not move | 17:38 |
| Bluewind | upgrade tp 1.1? | 17:38 |
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| LuciusMare | i guess | 17:38 |
| LuciusMare | i upgraded once already | 17:38 |
| LuciusMare | and now it told me again | 17:38 |
| LuciusMare | oh dear,i hope i will not have to reflash | 17:39 |
| Bluewind | well that one is quite big | 17:39 |
| LuciusMare | wait,wat? | 17:39 |
| LuciusMare | pr1.1 out already? | 17:39 |
| Bluewind | yes | 17:39 |
| LuciusMare | nice | 17:39 |
| ifreq | LuciusMare: welcome to this century traveler | 17:39 |
| ifreq | :) | 17:39 |
| LuciusMare | meh | 17:39 |
| LuciusMare | hey, we all know these "it can come any day" things | 17:40 |
| lcuk | it was yesterday | 17:40 |
| LuciusMare | think of duke nukem forever :) | 17:40 |
| LuciusMare | oh | 17:40 |
| tybollt | IIRC DNF was cancelled period though - since the motehr company went bancrupt or something :) | 17:40 |
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| LuciusMare | hm,i saw screenshots | 17:41 |
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| VINCENT__ | hi all | 17:42 |
| LuciusMare | hi | 17:44 |
| VINCENT__ | is anyone also having problems with the mediaplayer widget on n900. It's not starting to play after pressing play on the desktop? | 17:44 |
| fnordianslip | VINCENT__: i noticed that earlier | 17:44 |
| mtnbkr | VINCENT__: I have seen this too. Smetimes I can get it to work by starting the media player app then minimizing it | 17:45 |
| LuciusMare | VINCENT__: same | 17:45 |
| LuciusMare | so it seems to be known bug | 17:45 |
| VINCENT__ | is this reported as a bug cause when it plays pause does work | 17:45 |
| _claesbas_ | How can I see who is moderator for what forum on talk.maemo.org? | 17:45 |
| LuciusMare | wow, new xterm icon | 17:46 |
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| LuciusMare | are there any major changes? | 17:46 |
| LuciusMare | such as... | 17:46 |
| LuciusMare | portrait mode? *pants* | 17:46 |
| range | No, no pants. | 17:46 |
| cb22_ | LuciusMare, for the browser only really | 17:46 |
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| LuciusMare_n900 | haha | 17:46 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | but browser is also enough | 17:47 |
| bergie | portait mode in browser is pretty nice when reading a long page | 17:47 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | how to enable it? | 17:47 |
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| bergie | Ctrl-Shift-o | 17:47 |
| tank-man | _claesbas_, just treat everyone with respect :) | 17:47 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | and you,ghost, be quitted! | 17:47 |
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| _claesbas_ | tank-man, yes I will.. but I would like my thread in one forum to change topic text | 17:47 |
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| mtnbkr | cb22_: I just updated yesterday, yet my browser does not do portrait. is there a specific on/off setting somewhere? | 17:48 |
| cb22_ | mtnbkr, yep ctrl-shift-o | 17:49 |
| cb22_ | and the keyboard has to be closed | 17:49 |
| cb22_ | and you have to hold it vertically | 17:49 |
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| mtnbkr | cb22_: ahh OK cool works now | 17:50 |
| alterego | Looking at the minimal reqs for that spring RTS engine, not likely goign to run on the N900 ^.^ | 17:50 |
| Bluewind | has emelfm2 yet been ported to maemo5? | 17:50 |
| VINCENT__ | how to press ctrl + shift + o with the keyboard closes :S | 17:50 |
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| ShadowJK_ | spring.. is that the total annihilation clone? | 17:51 |
| hrw | VINCENT__: open keyboard, press, close keyboard | 17:51 |
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| * pupnik_ boggles at the number of ebay sellers advertising N810 as a 'smartphone' | 17:53 | |
| pupnik_ | used ones... | 17:53 |
| ifreq | wtb my n770.. its smart phone too | 17:54 |
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| ifreq | :) | 17:55 |
| inz | the upadate all is fun, when it asks for confirmation it just shows the name of one of the packages | 17:55 |
| inz | i dont even know which | 17:55 |
| fcrozat | andre__: regarding https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553, it looks like fremantle specs you quote isn't implemented at all, therefore the bug ;) | 17:56 |
| povbot | Bug 1553: Headphone hardware button should act as pause button | 17:56 |
| fcrozat | (I prefer to discuss it here than on the bug report ;) | 17:56 |
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| andre__ | fcrozat, hmm. I think internally they simply don't know what they are doing :-P | 17:57 |
| andre__ | probably the Specs are wrong | 17:57 |
| andre__ | but that's nothing the user has to care about in the end | 17:58 |
| fcrozat | andre__: well, it looks fine to me :) | 17:58 |
| fcrozat | implementation is "just" missing ;) | 17:58 |
| fcrozat | (even with a nokia headset) | 17:58 |
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| * mtnbkr also would like earbud volume and pause/play buttons on cord to work as expected | 17:59 | |
| pupnik_ | would building mlocate be a waste of time? i'm really in the habit of using that | 17:59 |
| ShadowJK_ | There aren't that many cords that have those... and they generally only work with few symbian devices too :/ | 17:59 |
| fcrozat | ShadowJK_: well, nokia is selling such stuff. So you would expect they are supported on a nokia device ;) | 18:00 |
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| fcrozat | no matter the OS (from a customer PoV) | 18:00 |
| ShadowJK_ | lol | 18:00 |
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| ShadowJK_ | You know, I'm not sure any of the devices that have TVOUT support the play/pause/next/prev/volume controls :) | 18:01 |
| X-Fade | it is just resistance? | 18:01 |
| ShadowJK_ | ? | 18:01 |
| X-Fade | Different value? | 18:01 |
| mtnbkr | ShadowJK_: my N900 came with earbus and there is a mutl-switch on the cord (just like an iPhone) yet it does not work "just like an iPhone" :) | 18:02 |
| ShadowJK_ | When I use Nokia AD-54 controller with my Nokia E75, whenever I press a button, there's a sequence of "taps" heard in the background of the audio, a communication sequence that lasts maybe 250-500ms.. and the buttons generally have that kind of latency too :) | 18:02 |
| ShadowJK_ | So atleast for the more complex class of buttons I'd assume it's more complex than resistance :) | 18:03 |
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| ShadowJK_ | The single-button headsets seem to work with N8x0, but my multibutton thing does not (not even the blips/taps are heard) | 18:03 |
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| clmntch | how do you manually invoke the mediaplayer metadata update process? | 18:10 |
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| AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps, how do I fix the highlight bug right now fixed the only other bugs I know of any getting ready to build a new version | 18:11 |
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| red | When I'm sending an SMS, and if that person replies fast - the SMS receiving sound is really silent | 18:14 |
| red | is there any way to remove that? Always miss those :) | 18:14 |
| red | I get the concept of mass messaging causing annoying amounts of sound, but couldnt figure out where I could disable that since I really don't do that much | 18:14 |
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| ml-N900 | ok | 18:14 |
| ml-N900 | enable_off_mode reactivated | 18:15 |
| ml-N900 | let's see how this goes | 18:15 |
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| Corsac | what's off_mode? | 18:15 |
| ml-N900 | one of the powersave modes | 18:16 |
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| red | how does it function? | 18:16 |
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| villager | it turns the cpu off when the system has nothing to do | 18:19 |
| thesov_n900 | dude xchat looks so odd on the nokia | 18:19 |
| squidd | villager: is it enabled by default? | 18:19 |
| zash | xterm → ssh → screen → irssi → awesomeness | 18:19 |
| villager | squidd: yes | 18:19 |
| villager | squidd: I assume ml-N900 just had to turn it off because some units crash with it enabled, at least with the original firmware | 18:20 |
| hrw | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8048 - check and vote | 18:20 |
| povbot | Bug 8048: Multi day events are not readable in week view | 18:20 |
| squidd | villager: i see | 18:21 |
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| jpe__ | someone any idea about the white LED blinking ( every 5 sec ) on my freshly upgraded N900 | 18:21 |
| Corsac | jpe__: on and working? | 18:22 |
| MaemohammadAG | jpe__, settings notificatoin light | 18:22 |
| MaemohammadAG | notification* | 18:22 |
| MaemohammadAG | turn off 'device on' | 18:22 |
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| jpe__ | ah ok, thanks | 18:22 |
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| nedko | how to install xauth on a n900? | 18:27 |
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| woglinde | hrw seems more an more maemo has no proper QS staff | 18:32 |
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| pupnik_ | hrw, have you tried apt-cache search calendar? | 18:33 |
| hrw | woglinde: QA? maemo? you must be kidding... it is sure that they do not have | 18:34 |
| hrw | pupnik_: gpe-calendar fails to import my calendars | 18:34 |
| hrw | pupnik_: and maemo one has useful widget on my 1st desktop | 18:35 |
| woglinde | hrw *g* | 18:35 |
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| hrw | woglinde: or other way it is. they have QA but software designers never used phones/tablets/pdas before | 18:36 |
| pupnik_ | I think you raise many good points about the calendar, but maybe it would be preferable to work toward an open-source, non-nokia calendar | 18:36 |
| pupnik_ | i can't be much help since i'm happy planning my day on a piece of paper | 18:37 |
| woglinde | pupnik the xth one? | 18:37 |
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| pupnik_ | no, toward making something like gpe do what hrw wants, since he is the #maemo specialist | 18:38 |
| hrw | pupnik_: I started - bug #7797 | 18:38 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7797 Bugs got lost during server move? | 18:38 |
| hrw | ios | 18:38 |
| hrw | ops | 18:38 |
| hrw | pupnik_: I started - bug #7811 | 18:38 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7811 Release source code of Calendar on open licence | 18:38 |
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| pupnik_ | hope it gets some good discussion | 18:40 |
| hrw | pupnik_: I rather expect wontfix | 18:41 |
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| * alterego wishes the N900 would work with a media remote | 18:41 | |
| hrw | alterego: such as AD-54? | 18:41 |
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| hrw | shit.. ical from maemo5 calendar cant be imported to korganizer | 18:42 |
| alterego | I dunno, like the phones I got with my N95 & N96 | 18:42 |
| hrw | alterego: I would like to get them working too | 18:42 |
| hrw | but so far I did not even checked button on provided ones | 18:43 |
| pupnik_ | i just dont think nnokia or anyone has the ability to ship best-of-class apps for free with their devices | 18:43 |
| alterego | I doubt they'll work. I don't think Nokia bothered wiring up the media port for the buttons to function. | 18:43 |
| pupnik_ | you guys saw konttoris usb host app? | 18:44 |
| pupnik_ | whats up with that | 18:44 |
| alterego | Nope | 18:44 |
| hrw | pupnik_: I did not | 18:44 |
| alterego | link? | 18:44 |
| pupnik_ | in extras-? | 18:45 |
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| alterego | Ah, well, I don't think it actually works on the N900 :P | 18:45 |
| pupnik_ | not on n900 atm -- usbÃ-host-controlà | 18:45 |
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| alterego | I think it's just been put into the builder, probably for Mer on N8X0? | 18:45 |
| hrw | you mean usbcontrol? | 18:45 |
| pupnik_ | well i wouldbuy a battery powered hub if i could find one | 18:46 |
| pupnik_ | yeah | 18:46 |
| redeeman | hrw: what fails with korganizer? | 18:46 |
| hrw | redeeman: import of maemo5 calendar exported calendar | 18:46 |
| pupnik_ | usbcontrol | 18:46 |
| hrw | pupnik_: it is n8x0 package just passed to builder | 18:46 |
| fnordianslip | oh noes. microb doesn't support gopher :( | 18:46 |
| pupnik_ | ok.ty | 18:46 |
| X-Fade | Can somebody try to upload something through the extras-assistant? It should work better now ;) | 18:46 |
| redeeman | hrw: what's the problem? (error message?) | 18:46 |
| hrw | redeeman: it opens it fine but do not display events from it | 18:47 |
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| alterego | fnordianslip: hah, I noticed that when I used to have an N800 ^.^ | 18:48 |
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| hrw | redeeman: but due to #7790 it does not surprise me | 18:49 |
| fnordianslip | alterego: must be about 15 years since i've even thought of gopher | 18:49 |
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| * hrw used gopher:// ~year ago | 18:49 | |
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| fnordianslip | gopher://druuna.dud-t.org/0/ascii-art/ascii_pinups/pinup00.txt | 18:50 |
| alterego | I like this bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8025 | 18:50 |
| povbot | Bug 8025: *#0000# does not display details properly in Portrait mode | 18:50 |
| hrw | redeeman: many things can be said about maemo5 calendar. but most of them are not polite | 18:50 |
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| alterego | Anyone tried the FM transmitter with a really cheap coin sized fm radio? (cheap wireless headphones) ^.^ | 18:52 |
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| andre__ | hmm. Did changing the sound volume without unlocking the phone ever work in 42-11? I'm surprised that people state this. | 18:52 |
| X-Fade | andre__: I kind of remember it did. | 18:53 |
| X-Fade | andre__: But not sure. | 18:53 |
| andre__ | crazy. | 18:53 |
| clmntch | 'tracker-process -f' if you want to rebuild your media metadata | 18:53 |
| X-Fade | No. | 18:53 |
| andre__ | I think it never worked for me. | 18:53 |
| clmntch | err | 18:53 |
| clmntch | tracker-process -r | 18:53 |
| X-Fade | Makes sense . | 18:53 |
| andre__ | Hmm. I'll wait for my g/f who still runs 41-10 on her N900 :-P | 18:54 |
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| Target | can you guys control media player from widget if the app is not running in the background? | 18:56 |
| Target | doesn't work on my n900 :x | 18:56 |
| alterego | Ooo, I like this bug too ^.^: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8021 | 18:56 |
| povbot | Bug 8021: Vibration on Alarm signal makes slow waking up impossible | 18:56 |
| villager | Target: didn't work for me on the original firmware, but seems to work in pr1.1 | 18:57 |
| alterego | Poor guy ^.^ | 18:57 |
| MaemohammadAG | LOL | 18:57 |
| alterego | I usually want to wake up as quick as possible :D | 18:57 |
| Target | villager: yeah, worked once after firmware update but not anymore now | 18:57 |
| Target | already tried rebooting to no avail | 18:57 |
| nedko | how to install xauth on a n900? | 18:59 |
| mtd | andre__: for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6703 , is the source anywhere by any chance? | 19:00 |
| povbot | Bug 6703: MfE calendar sync causes dummy email sync account to appear | 19:00 |
| villager | still works for me it seems... closing media player stops the music, but pressing play on widget starts it again fine | 19:00 |
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| andre__ | mtd, uh, I don't know | 19:00 |
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| Target | hmm might try reuploading my music or something | 19:01 |
| andre__ | mtd, Stskeeps might know :) | 19:01 |
| alterego | Anyone know what codes the N900 responds too? I'm guessing definitely *#06# and *#0000# | 19:01 |
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| mtd | Stskeeps: do you happen to know where the source for the component with the bug/undesired behaviour in https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6703 is? | 19:03 |
| povbot | Bug 6703: MfE calendar sync causes dummy email sync account to appear | 19:03 |
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| penguinbait | Why is it that the same people who say I am being too quiet as a council member, are completely against what comes out of my mouth when it opens? | 19:04 |
| alterego | penguinbait: :) | 19:06 |
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| odin_ | anyone got access to their ARMEL scratchbox ? does your symlink "/usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 -> libtermcap.so" exist ? | 19:13 |
| odin_ | infact does: "ls -l /usr/lib/libncurses.so /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 /usr/lib/libtermcap.so" show a loop for you ? | 19:14 |
| odin_ | oh no one points to /lib | 19:15 |
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| rkc1 | is maemo.org down? | 19:31 |
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| woglinde | rkc1 nope | 19:31 |
| woglinde | rkc1 your dns didnt yet hit the ip changes | 19:32 |
| woglinde | boaah this suckz http://revdkathy.livejournal.com/59943.html | 19:33 |
| woglinde | poor kathy | 19:33 |
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| frals | she doesnt have a locked one thou | 19:34 |
| woglinde | frals hehe okay | 19:35 |
| SpeedEvil | What does a white notifier LED flash mean? | 19:37 |
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| tuxer | SpeedEvil: your device is on. You can disable it from settings | 19:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | err - what? | 19:41 |
| SpeedEvil | it blinks occasionally to tell you it's on? | 19:41 |
| LuciusMare_n900 | SpeedEvil: exactly | 19:42 |
| MaemohammadAG | breathing light | 19:42 |
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| odin_ | I think the device should flash white fast during bootup and slow down as it gets almost finished, just to display something is going on | 19:42 |
| MaemohammadAG | or just allow a disabled splash screen | 19:42 |
| pupnik_ | maybe flash if it is not being used, but some process is chewing up battery... | 19:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | Wacky | 19:43 |
| LuciusMare | pupnik_: nice idea,but how do you know what is eating battery? | 19:43 |
| odin_ | well its not using a tick-less kernel is it? so its always chewing battery | 19:43 |
| tuxer | SpeedEvil: for someone that could be helpful to know whether device is on or off | 19:43 |
| MaemohammadAG | anyone using nokia messaging? | 19:43 |
| SpeedEvil | tuxer: but it's not on often enough that yioyu can see it without staring at it | 19:43 |
| LuciusMare | also,some processes like tracker run while not being used on purpose | 19:43 |
| pupnik_ | odin_: we have battery charge left in /proc. A process could check every minute, and flash if delta-charge > xx percent | 19:44 |
| pupnik_ | no need to run powertop or top | 19:44 |
| tuxer | SpeedEvil: yeah... well I'm not gonna use it :D | 19:44 |
| tuxer | Don't really get the point of it, just annoying flashling light :D | 19:45 |
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| pupnik_ | perhaps user left a browser window open whose webpage chews up cpu with javascript or flash | 19:45 |
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| pupnik_ | i see a lot of complaints from confused users who don't understand why their battery is not lasting very long... | 19:46 |
| pupnik_ | actually it would make more sense to test every 15 minutes or so | 19:46 |
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| * LuciusMare praises nokia for the pr1.1 portrait browser mode | 19:48 | |
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| woglinde | LuciusMare he | 19:48 |
| woglinde | this is only easter-egg | 19:48 |
| * tybollt shrug portrait mode shmortrait mode | 19:49 | |
| LuciusMare | uh,huh | 19:49 |
| tybollt | it is non essential, really | 19:49 |
| LuciusMare | what a nice feature,as an easter egg? | 19:49 |
| tybollt | silly iphonery | 19:49 |
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| LuciusMare | i find it myself useful | 19:50 |
| tybollt | let me guess? you use it in the car? | 19:50 |
| mj__ | does any one know how to get to maemo.org? is there an ip address | 19:50 |
| mj__ | um... dont worry | 19:50 |
| tybollt | mj: 80.248.164.250 | 19:51 |
| tybollt | olrite | 19:51 |
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| LuciusMare | tybollt: no,but... for example,writing down some informations from a page | 19:51 |
| tybollt | ? | 19:51 |
| LuciusMare | or,i find it more natural to hold the phone like this | 19:52 |
| LuciusMare | tybollt: it is actually hard to hold it in the landscape and scroll with one hand | 19:52 |
| tybollt | you also find it usefull to have your webpage ... cut in half? :) | 19:52 |
| tybollt | nevermind though, I won't argue w/ you :) | 19:53 |
| LuciusMare | not really | 19:53 |
| LuciusMare | :) | 19:53 |
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| LuciusMare | and,what is the changelog for pr1.1? | 19:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | ~upgrade | 19:55 |
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| infobot | i heard upgrade is to upload the files and run the /setup/upgrade.php script from 0.9.8 and higher | 19:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | umm - no | 19:55 |
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| LuciusMare | haha | 19:56 |
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| tybollt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1 | 19:57 |
| Phantasm | Anyone know how to make x terminal open in full screen mode (that is, top bar hidden as the button does manually)? | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: (white 'breathing' light) you easily should be able to change the pattern by defining a different program for the 5521 engine somewhere in MCE config or wherever it's defined | 20:00 |
| xorAxAx | ruskie: have you found out why images contains many from /usr? | 20:01 |
| xorAxAx | ruskie: that might be related to the repartitioning | 20:01 |
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| mj__ | does any one know if there is a project for a calorie counter on n900? | 20:05 |
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| inz | ive thought of starting one but didnt get into it | 20:07 |
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| simula | is there a pedometer app? | 20:07 |
| mj__ | inz: ok, any reason you stopped? | 20:08 |
| Myrtti | he hasn't done my knitting pattern app yet | 20:08 |
| Myrtti | that's why ;-) | 20:08 |
| Myrtti | *snerk* | 20:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | mj__: weightjinni | 20:08 |
| SpeedEvil | mj__: sorta | 20:09 |
| SpeedEvil | mj__: or the loads of web 0.2 websites | 20:09 |
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| simula | heh | 20:09 |
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| mj__ | speedevil: sorry slow on the uptake.. web 0.2 websites? | 20:10 |
| SpeedEvil | mj__: Using livestrong.com/myplate It sucks somewhat. In other ways t's great. | 20:10 |
| inz | mj, got bored of counting calories :) (well i wasnt even counting calories but carbs) | 20:10 |
| mj__ | inz: that was what i wanted the app to do | 20:10 |
| mj__ | not just calories, but carbs and sugar | 20:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Tha above website does that - but it has problems with data quality. Yu need to doublecheck the items you enter are in fact correct. | 20:11 |
| inz | mj, ive got a php/mysql app i planned to port to gtk/sqlite | 20:11 |
| inz | mj, the biggest problem is that the data im using is in finnish | 20:11 |
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| mj__ | inz: i know php/mysql but no idea about gtk/sqlite | 20:11 |
| inz | mj. and dont really know if it is distributable | 20:12 |
| embedded | Hi all guys | 20:12 |
| Trizt | inz; Whats the problem with Finnish? | 20:12 |
| inz | trizt, i dont have any, someone else might | 20:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=433385 - and my comments on my ideal weight-tracker program at the bottom | 20:13 |
| embedded | Who knows how to download a package from a repository on Maemo5 to a different folder ? | 20:13 |
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| embedded | no-one? | 20:14 |
| embedded | :O | 20:15 |
| SpeedEvil | wget | 20:15 |
| angasuleN810 | use apt-get ? | 20:16 |
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| mtd | barisione: am I correct in reading https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5549#c4 to say that the "code for metacontacts" part of the stack is free software? If so, what's it called? | 20:16 |
| povbot | Bug 5549: libosso-abook should be open source | 20:16 |
| angasuleN810 | I normally just download the source package | 20:17 |
| embedded | but I don't know the package name and location, I know only the repo parameters | 20:17 |
| barisione | mtd: it's not | 20:17 |
| barisione | :( | 20:17 |
| angasuleN810 | a repo has many packages... | 20:17 |
| barisione | mtd: «libosso-abook contains the code to make using EDS non-painful, the code for | 20:18 |
| barisione | metacontacts (the integration between the IM contacts and the local ones) and | 20:18 |
| barisione | the widgets.» | 20:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | embedded: why? | 20:18 |
| mtd | barisione: ok, thanks for confirmation. is that bit of code libosso-abook, though? So I can access it from python via ctypes? | 20:18 |
| barisione | yes | 20:18 |
| mtd | barisione: thanks. Would love to use it, so thanks for the code anyway :) | 20:19 |
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| embedded | I see their name through HAM but their size is big and if I try to install some of them I receive an enough space message (or something like that) | 20:19 |
| barisione | mtd: btw, read http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Generic_Platform_Components/Using_Address_Book_API | 20:19 |
| mtd | barisione: (I'm trying to keep track of a list of online contacts from python, btw. I got annoyed traversing all the telepathy objects and was hoping to use some abook code) | 20:19 |
| mtd | barisione: cool, thanks | 20:19 |
| barisione | mtd: and the api reference is at http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libosso-abook/ | 20:20 |
| mtd | barisione: thanks for the pointers | 20:20 |
| barisione | mtd: it's easy if you use libosso-abook and you care about metacontacts | 20:20 |
| mtd | barisione: just my case...thanks. | 20:20 |
| barisione | it could be slightly harder I think if you want to watch for single contacts | 20:20 |
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| barisione | mtd: np | 20:21 |
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| mtd | barisione: if there's anything a user like me could say to help the open-sourcing of that component, let me know :) | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: see PatternDeviceOn=254;0;0;rgb;9d... in /etc/mce/mce.ini (ref: http://wiki.maemo.org/LED_patterns ) | 20:21 |
| embedded | any suggestion ? | 20:22 |
| barisione | mtd: not much, you can vote for it if you didn't do yet | 20:22 |
| mtd | barisione: yup, already done. | 20:22 |
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| barisione | thanks then :) | 20:22 |
| mtd | barisione: thank you :) | 20:22 |
| embedded | ??? | 20:24 |
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| embedded | Is it possible that nobody can help me??? | 20:29 |
| RST38h | E900 shot: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/jan09fakekindledxjan09.jpg | 20:29 |
| lcuk | embedded, help with what? | 20:30 |
| lcuk | use apt download only option? | 20:30 |
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| RST38h | embedded: yes, it is possible that nobody can help you | 20:30 |
| RST38h | embdedd: what "huge" package are you trying to download? | 20:31 |
| lcuk | embedded, open source, open channel i dont answer questions via pm | 20:31 |
| LuciusMare | haha | 20:31 |
| MaemohammadAG | lemme guess, openarena? | 20:31 |
| odin_ | is the beagleboard compatible enough with N900 hardward arch to consider getting ? (or the purpose of kernel development) | 20:32 |
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| tripzero | odin_: should be pretty close | 20:34 |
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| tripzero | IIRC, they both use the omap3 | 20:35 |
| embedded | RST38h : eh it's a big package to partecipate to a beta testing program for a new sw | 20:35 |
| tripzero | hi wirelessdreamer | 20:35 |
| wirelessdreamer | tripzero: sup | 20:35 |
| wirelessdreamer | we win you over yet? ;) | 20:35 |
| embedded | lcuk: Can you reply in prv? | 20:35 |
| LuciusMare | oh,and pr11 does not bring any change in front camera driver... | 20:36 |
| tripzero | wirelessdreamer, I was in radioshack yesterday looking for the n900... they didn't have one :( | 20:36 |
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| wirelessdreamer | anyone here install the firmware update on their n900 yet? I'm having a hard time location the linux binary for my desktop | 20:37 |
| * ShadowJK_ updated through OTA | 20:38 | |
| Trizt | wirelessdreamer; did OTA | 20:38 |
| wirelessdreamer | I just tried an ota update, and its telling me to plug it in for an update | 20:38 |
| lcuk | embedded, if you know the server details you can browse the repository? | 20:39 |
| lcuk | i fail to see your problem | 20:39 |
| Trizt | wirelessdreamer; plug it in for power, so you won't run out in the middle of the install | 20:39 |
| wirelessdreamer | Trinzt: already plugged in | 20:39 |
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| ShadowJK_ | wirelessdreamer, need 45M free on / | 20:39 |
| ShadowJK_ | and *qt*phonon* conflicts if some app you installed dragged in that :/ | 20:40 |
| embedded | lcuk: no I can't browse repo, I think that they use some .htaccess policies to prevent it | 20:40 |
| wirelessdreamer | only 15 megs free on / | 20:40 |
| wirelessdreamer | I haven't been able to find what packages are using the space to pull them either | 20:40 |
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| redeeman | i have 69.1MB free :P | 20:41 |
| pupnik_ | the program icon categorizer is great-- foss f t w | 20:41 |
| ShadowJK_ | Disable extras-devel and extras-testing catalogues, that frees up maybe 10 megs.. then you just have to uninstall some stuff.. | 20:41 |
| ShadowJK_ | unfortunately it doesn't tell you beforehand how much space will be gained by uninstalling something... or it does tell you, but it's mostly wrong | 20:41 |
| embedded | lcuk: can you answer in private chat? | 20:42 |
| lcuk | embedded, then make some space :) not a lot anyone else can tell you | 20:42 |
| lcuk | i already said, no | 20:42 |
| embedded | ah ok | 20:42 |
| embedded | I'm sorry | 20:42 |
| Trizt | 5%M free on mine | 20:43 |
| embedded | Is not possible to specify a destination folder to the apt-get command different from the default one? | 20:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | embedded: you are NOT supposed to use apt-get | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | use Hildon *pp'anager! | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | AppManager even | 20:44 |
| villager | embedded: why would you, apt-get is trying to install the package, and there's only one place to install a package: on your system | 20:44 |
| wirelessdreamer | ShadowJK_: I'm up to 30 megs free, out of ideas how I can find an app to pull thats using space on / | 20:44 |
| ShadowJK_ | reboot and see if it improves | 20:45 |
| villager | embedded: for downloading without installing, you can't use apt-get... though you can get apt-get to give you the url with --print-uri I think | 20:45 |
| villager | --print-uris | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | oops sorry I messed embedded with wirelessdreamer | 20:45 |
| embedded | I can't install the package of 260MB using the default HAM folder | 20:46 |
| Trizt | ShadowJK_; is it possible to grow the rootfs? I could have lived with a smaller MyDocs | 20:46 |
| embedded | I though there was an option to download and install it through the terminal to a different folder | 20:47 |
| flux | embedded, using apt will require manual intervention if you have 70M free space, _even if_ apt archives are not downloaded to the root filesystem | 20:47 |
| ShadowJK_ | Trizt, it's a separate chip | 20:47 |
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| flux | maybe 90M could be enough? | 20:47 |
| ShadowJK_ | The N900 has one 256M OneNAND type chip, and one 32G emmc type chip | 20:47 |
| SpeedEvil | flux: no, itr doesn't | 20:48 |
| Trizt | ShadowJK_; okey, then it's a bit more difficult to make it larger | 20:48 |
| SpeedEvil | I installed the 90M package with 40M of free space. | 20:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Doing nothing other than simply allowing the install | 20:48 |
| flux | speedevil, you mean with apt or with HAM? | 20:48 |
| SpeedEvil | HAM | 20:48 |
| flux | speedevil, yes, that should work | 20:48 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - apt | 20:48 |
| SpeedEvil | misread | 20:48 |
| embedded | flux: I haven't problem to intervene by hand through the shell, but I would like how to do it | 20:49 |
| LuciusMare | what is HAM? | 20:49 |
| flux | embedded, also be warned that the automatic recovery mechanisms wont work if you do it from the command line | 20:49 |
| MaemohammadAG | hildon app mgr | 20:49 |
| villager | or perhaps apt can download without installing... --download-only | 20:49 |
| odin_ | maybe the operating system package manager should shutdown everything, leaving only a framebuffer console up and the OS update is done (so that all those DSOs that can't be freed during the install get released) this means the rootfs space requirements can drop by a lot? 90Mb update with only 10Mb free | 20:49 |
| LuciusMare | aw,great. | 20:49 |
| embedded | flux: ok, no prob, but say me how to do that :) | 20:50 |
| flux | embedded, I used apt-get, though, because the upgrade didn't appear in the HAM for some reason. but I took some precautions, like turn the devic eoff. | 20:50 |
| flux | embedded, in other words, you are prepared to flash the device if it fails? | 20:50 |
| embedded | flux, sure | 20:50 |
| LuciusMare | mediaplayer>audio (678 songs)>nothing to show | 20:50 |
| LuciusMare | :( | 20:50 |
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| MaemohammadAG | i had to move /var/cache/apt/archives | 20:51 |
| odin_ | maybe a runlevel 1, 2 and 3 is needed, I see that the normal mode is runlevel 3 | 20:51 |
| embedded | flux, I just did it some times :) | 20:51 |
| odin_ | opps runlevel 2 is normal mode | 20:51 |
| flux | embedded, well, just apt-get upgrade. I moved my apt files off the root before that. when the disk space runs out (or preferably before that!) interrupt the process, run dpkg --configure -a, and do apt-get upgrade again. eventually it'll go through, hopefully :) | 20:51 |
| Trizt | isn't level 2 multiusre, no networking | 20:51 |
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| flux | embedded, btw, it took 3 hours for me to upgrade. might be because I have also dpkg files off the root filesystem. | 20:52 |
| flux | also, I downloaded the files beforehand (apt-get upgrade -d) and switched the device to offline mode before starting that | 20:52 |
| flux | apparently it's a good idea to turn off browserd as well, but I don't know how to do that :-o | 20:53 |
| Trizt | kill -9 <pid> | 20:53 |
| Trizt | :P | 20:53 |
| embedded | mhh...I thinking back on it | 20:53 |
| flux | yes, and the watchdog reboots your phone, not good.. | 20:53 |
| embedded | uff | 20:54 |
| thomaz | how do i add music to mediaplayer? | 20:54 |
| odin_ | I think a runlevel 1 (and bootuped rescue mode, i.e. boot into runlevel 1 by holding a key down during power on) is useful | 20:55 |
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| wirelessdreamer | ShadowJK_: I have 54M free on / now and its still telling me I have to run the nokia updater program | 20:56 |
| SpeedEvil | thomaz: drag and drop some music onto the 'MyDocs' partition when it's plugged into a PC - and it should be auto-indexed | 20:56 |
| wirelessdreamer | package is Maemo 5 2.2009.51-1.002 | 20:56 |
| mrmg | I have no Ovi store still | 20:56 |
| mrmg | am on 2009.51 though | 20:57 |
| Trizt | mrmg; you don't miss anything | 20:57 |
| mrmg | haha | 20:57 |
| mrmg | My life is incomplete | 20:57 |
| thomaz | SpeedEvil, yeah, it was working this way before, but now the index is not catching my music | 20:57 |
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| Trizt | I have to say ovi suxx, slow and many parts works only with a virus installed | 20:58 |
| ShadowJK_ | wirelessdreamer, then something installed probably conflicts :( | 20:58 |
| embedded | mrmg: maybe have you installed the Maemo app to hide the browser identity? | 20:58 |
| MaemohammadAG | virus? | 20:58 |
| MaemohammadAG | ... | 20:58 |
| ShadowJK_ | Since updating through NSU or flasher will lose all your apps anyway, I'd just uninstall more... heh | 20:58 |
| wackl | installed 51-1 yesterday. now the alarm clock isn't working anymore (or it's working too good, because i can't disable it when ringing ;) | 20:58 |
| X-Fade | joppu: Can you upload your theme again? I think I fixed the issue now. | 20:58 |
| hrw | Trizt: who needs ovi when you can install apps from it by apt-get | 20:58 |
| Trizt | MaemohammadAG; from that corrupt code stealing company from usa | 20:59 |
| MaemohammadAG | i'm not following | 20:59 |
| hrw | Trizt: watched too much Antitrust movie? | 20:59 |
| hrw | MaemohammadAG: watch Antitrust movie | 20:59 |
| hrw | MaemohammadAG: worth it | 20:59 |
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| Trizt | hrw; I did try to download some songs from Ovi Music Store for my GF as I had given her an n86, damn it was difficult and didn't work | 20:59 |
| * MaemohammadAG checks the imdb | 21:00 | |
| wirelessdreamer | anyone know if the firmware update fixes a2dp stuttering? | 21:00 |
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| Trizt | hrw; No, read news on different sites, using GPL code and change the license (usb), using other companies software and claiming it to be theirs (chinese writing) | 21:01 |
| hrw | Trizt: welcome in a real world | 21:02 |
| Jaffa | ev'ning | 21:02 |
| Trizt | wirelessdreamer; don't think it did, nad I have to say the wlan didn't work too well yesterday evening for me, it said it connected but you couldn't do anything (unless reboot) | 21:03 |
| pronto | *rocks while a 332 MB .bz2 extracts on my n900* | 21:03 |
| hrw | hi Jaffa | 21:03 |
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| Jaffa | pupnik_: glad you like catorise btw :) | 21:04 |
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| hrw | Jaffa: what are plans for 0.0.3? | 21:05 |
| pronto | lol | 21:05 |
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| LuciusMare | Jaffa: catorise? | 21:05 |
| pronto | i'm installing that eaasy debain ting | 21:05 |
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| kevloral | hi all | 21:06 |
| pupnik_ | thank you Jaffa it's the shiznit! Now add the 5 most clicked-on app icons to front page. | 21:07 |
| pupnik_ | :P | 21:07 |
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| pupnik_ | I have no idea how that could be reasonably done though | 21:07 |
| Jaffa | hrw: Using Config::Tiny, i18n from HAM, chaged some default categories (Ovi Store in Ovi, Phone & Conversations in Network) and hopefully try and investigate why triggers aren't working for some: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8026 | 21:08 |
| povbot | Bug 8026: Catorise does not add icon in the category when a new application is installed | 21:08 |
| pupnik_ | I'll add mine manually | 21:08 |
| pupnik_ | aha ty | 21:08 |
| Jaffa | pupnik_: I'll have a think | 21:08 |
| LuciusMare | wait,the main menu can be edited,or what? | 21:09 |
| LuciusMare | what is catorise? | 21:09 |
| * LuciusMare is lost. | 21:09 | |
| kevloral | LuciusMare: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2010/01/12/catorise_auto_organise_n900_applications | 21:10 |
| Jaffa | kevloral: ta | 21:10 |
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| Jaffa | LuciusMare: The apps menu uses the Freedesktop.org Desktop Menu spec | 21:11 |
| LuciusMare | wow | 21:11 |
| LuciusMare | nice, is it in the repos already? | 21:11 |
| LuciusMare | er | 21:11 |
| LuciusMare | nvm | 21:11 |
| * LuciusMare bookmarks | 21:12 | |
| Jaffa | LuciusMare: -devel. I hope to get it into -testing by the end of the weekend | 21:12 |
| odin_ | should HAM have a user/cmdline group ? or is the debian package Section following a debian convention ? I'm thinking I have a number of pure-command-line packages to release and sticking them in system or utilities really could mess up all the nice GUI stuff | 21:13 |
| LuciusMare | nice,nice | 21:13 |
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| hrw | odin_: do not use user/ section so people will install by apt-get? | 21:15 |
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| odin_ | erm... I want the same visibility as everything else, i.e. via HAM (or apt-get) | 21:15 |
| MaemohammadAG | NOOO It is currently in Extras-devel. This should, therefore, only be tested by people who are willing to suffer potential data loss, hair loss and the eating of babies. | 21:16 |
| Jaffa | odin_: There's threads about this on maemo_community. If it's something big and hefty (like SSH) which people may want to install through HAM, you can use user/network or whatever's most appropriate and there's an icon/badge you can use along with a standard sentence in the description | 21:16 |
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| Jaffa | odin_: However, if it's lots of little tools, the user can install them using apt-get | 21:17 |
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| Jaffa | odin_: The final option is to give a .desktop launcher for them. | 21:17 |
| odin_ | Jaffa, not sure its "big and hefty" but it will be a collection of maybe 30 packages (its looking to be that kind of size) | 21:17 |
| X-Fade | Is there anybody who has still errors when updating in HAM? | 21:17 |
| * X-Fade hears everybody click on the update button in HAM ;) | 21:18 | |
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| odin_ | Jaffa, no I don't intend on providing any desktop launcher support these are 100% command line tools, but do want same access, ease-of-install and visibility as everything else in HAM gets | 21:18 |
| acab|book_ | hi! why i in call log list i cannot call to skype? | 21:18 |
| Jaffa | odin_: If they're related, is a single big package an option? | 21:19 |
| acab|book_ | i mean in old firmwares i can call directly and i can call via skype | 21:19 |
| odin_ | Jaffa, hmm.. yes I will have 1 agregate package called "busyboxless", which will contain about half (around 15) packages it depends on (and sucks in) | 21:19 |
| Jaffa | odin_: but, as I said, you can reuse a standard icon to let the user know what they'll be getting (see maemo-community archives) | 21:20 |
| MaemohammadAG | desktop didn't get restarted well | 21:20 |
| MaemohammadAG | after installing catorise | 21:20 |
| MaemohammadAG | how do i redo it? | 21:20 |
| Jaffa | acab|book_: Have you got Skype account set up and logged in? | 21:20 |
| odin_ | Jaffa, does the icon have a name/label that you can recall ? I can search for ? | 21:20 |
| Jaffa | MaemohammadAG: define "well"? | 21:20 |
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| MaemohammadAG | 'image' stuck on the right | 21:21 |
| Jaffa | odin_: it's been discussed in the last 2 months | 21:21 |
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| acab|book_ | Jaffa, yes | 21:21 |
| Jaffa | MaemohammadAG: sorry, I don't understand | 21:21 |
| MaemohammadAG | so i can't access the X button (or the userlist in xchat) | 21:21 |
| MaemohammadAG | err | 21:21 |
| odin_ | even after update "tracker-status" still crashes for me.. and Media Player indicates I have no content on my handset (which I do) | 21:22 |
| MaemohammadAG | idk if a screenshot would get this but, just a sec | 21:22 |
| acab|book_ | from contacts i can call via gsm and via skype. but from call list, i cannot, but in old firmware i can... | 21:22 |
| wazd_e63 | Live broadcast from the train "moscow - st. Petersburg" ) | 21:22 |
| odin_ | Jaffa, ok what is the topic being discusses exactly ? packaging of 100% command line tools ? | 21:22 |
| Jaffa | MaemohammadAG: it sounds like hildon-desktop has crashed, reboot may help (or my not) | 21:22 |
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| MaemohammadAG | or may not LOL | 21:23 |
| acab|book_ | wazd_e63, hi | 21:23 |
| konttori | hrw: those calendar bugs seem interesting. Has there been any work on calendar external bugs? | 21:23 |
| Jaffa | odin_: I can't remember oTTOMH, but it's something like "Community command-line icon" | 21:23 |
| MaemohammadAG | lol the browser closed with an internal error and it got removed | 21:23 |
| Jaffa | MaemohammadAG: indeed :( | 21:23 |
| odin_ | Jaffa ok thanks that should help me find it | 21:23 |
| konttori | hrw: referring to your earlier list of https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=5294%2C5294%2C6362%2C5540%2C5954%2C6051%2C6489+ | 21:23 |
| yuizy | do headphones work with the new fw? | 21:23 |
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| odin_ | one another note... how can I debug "tracker" ? | 21:23 |
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| odin_ | can someone login and run "tracker-status" and tell me if that crashes for you too ? | 21:24 |
| MaemohammadAG | Jaffa, here's the screenshot anyways http://i45.tinypic.com/vov30w.jpg | 21:24 |
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| Jaffa | MaemohammadAG: ta | 21:25 |
| Archanamiya | Can anyone help me with this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40762 | 21:25 |
| range | Magnifying glass is needed for portrait browser mode. | 21:25 |
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| pupnik_ | any of you good with sourcing hard-to-find documentary movies? | 21:26 |
| hrw | konttori: what you mean as 'any work on calendar external bugs'? | 21:26 |
| Archanamiya | Can anyone help me with this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40762 | 21:26 |
| acab|book_ | Jaffa, did that bug or not? | 21:26 |
| MaemohammadAG | Jaffa, i have a suggestion, not that it affects me but it might be better to put 'phone' on the main menu | 21:26 |
| MaemohammadAG | instead of in categories | 21:26 |
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| konttori | hrw: I mean, I don't know if the maintenance team has been working on the external bugzilla bugs at all. I was just curious. | 21:27 |
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| hrw | ah | 21:27 |
| konttori | I cannot go on friday evening to visit the calendar team, so I cannot ask them. | 21:27 |
| MaemohammadAG | Jaffa, love the menu. Thanks! | 21:27 |
| konttori | it's a new team, the old one has moved to harmattan. So, I don't know if they are actually checking the external one or not. You never know with new teams . | 21:28 |
| konttori | as I don't see any developer comments on those bugs | 21:28 |
| konttori | so, I became curious if someone has just | 21:29 |
| Archanamiya | Can anyone help me with this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40762 | 21:29 |
| xorAxAx | Jaffa: hmm, often i have the problem that new apps dont show up in their category when using catorise | 21:29 |
| konttori | *forgotten* that external bugzilla exists ;) | 21:29 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Do you think it is possible to show what is inside a folder when you hold the icon pressed? :) | 21:29 |
| konttori | Archanamiya: what are LPIA debs? | 21:29 |
| xorAxAx | Jaffa: the ovi problem that i had such an effect for example | 21:29 |
| Archanamiya | konttori, LPIA is a processor, just like i386 or amd64 | 21:30 |
| hrw | konttori: just open calendar source maybe then? :D | 21:30 |
| yuizy | my phone doesn't recognise headphones | 21:30 |
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| yuizy | no icon in the status applet | 21:30 |
| konttori | Archanamiya: as in this: http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/low-power-on-intel-architecture-research-project/ | 21:31 |
| Archanamiya | Yes | 21:31 |
| konttori | recompile everything is the only option | 21:31 |
| Archanamiya | >:( | 21:31 |
| konttori | are LPIAs x86 compatible? | 21:32 |
| Archanamiya | afaik | 21:32 |
| konttori | if so, then you can run the x86 binaries and you don't need to recompile | 21:32 |
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| konttori | so, use the x86 architecture version | 21:32 |
| Archanamiya | blah | 21:32 |
| Archanamiya | hwo | 21:32 |
| Archanamiya | **how | 21:32 |
| konttori | well, just use the SDK debs from the repository | 21:33 |
| Archanamiya | :/ | 21:33 |
| Archanamiya | Alright | 21:33 |
| Archanamiya | Well anyways | 21:33 |
| villager | konttori: lpia is basically mobile i386, only ubuntu treats like a separate arch because they want to recompile their apps to use less resources on such platforms | 21:33 |
| Archanamiya | yeah | 21:33 |
| Archanamiya | exactly | 21:33 |
| Archanamiya | It's a pain somethines | 21:34 |
| Archanamiya | hehe | 21:34 |
| embedded | by to all | 21:34 |
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| Archanamiya | LPIA == large pain in the ass | 21:34 |
| Archanamiya | xD | 21:34 |
| xorAxAx | Jaffa: any idea? i could only cope with it by resetting menu | 21:34 |
| villager | konttori: lpia = low-power intel architecture | 21:34 |
| acab|book_ | why i cant call via skype from call log page, but i can call via skype from contacts? | 21:34 |
| Archanamiya | villager, LPIA = large pain in the ass xD | 21:34 |
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| Archanamiya | oh well | 21:35 |
| Archanamiya | bye all | 21:35 |
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| MaemohammadAG | err how do i kill the menu? | 21:40 |
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| Jaffa | xorAxAx: sounds like https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8026. Vote & provide debug info, please. Also, ls -l /opt/catorise and copy & paste output of installing an app using apt-get. TIA | 21:40 |
| povbot | Bug 8026: Catorise does not add icon in the category when a new application is installed | 21:40 |
| ml-N900 | can anyone paste my earlier quit message? | 21:41 |
| MaemohammadAG | * ml-N900 has quit ("Leaving") | 21:42 |
| ml-N900 | ty | 21:42 |
| ml-N900 | accidental click in pocket then | 21:42 |
| acab|book_ | why i cant call via skype from call log page, but i can call via skype from contacts? | 21:42 |
| ml-N900 | thought my phone had rebooted | 21:42 |
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| xorAxAx | Jaffa: will do | 21:43 |
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| konttori | acab|book_: file a bug. | 21:48 |
| konttori | it's silly | 21:48 |
| acab|book_ | konttori what? | 21:48 |
| konttori | "acab|book_: why i cant call via skype from call log page, but i can call via skype from contacts?" | 21:48 |
| acab|book_ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6651 | 21:48 |
| povbot | Bug 6651: Call Log only displays contact name that called, not phone number | 21:48 |
| acab|book_ | may be that fix do that? | 21:49 |
| xorAxAx | Jaffa: cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/catorise.triggers | 21:49 |
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| acab|book_ | hecouse was very effective | 21:49 |
| LuciusMare_ | oy | 21:49 |
| xorAxAx | Jaffa: cat: can't open '/var/lib/dpkg/info/catorise.triggers': No such file or directory | 21:49 |
| LuciusMare_ | i accidentally pressed "skip pinů | 21:49 |
| LuciusMare_ | er | 21:49 |
| LuciusMare_ | "skip pin" | 21:49 |
| LuciusMare_ | How do i enter it manually? | 21:49 |
| cehteh | it will ask later | 21:49 |
| acab|book_ | when in call log, were i click on caller, i can do many things with that person, send sms\call\ call via skype\ send icq message | 21:50 |
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| cehteh | when you try to enable celluar, want to phone and so on | 21:50 |
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| LuciusMare_ | thanks | 21:50 |
| xorAxAx | cehteh: hi you guy without phone :) | 21:50 |
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| cehteh | i dont really miss it :P | 21:50 |
| LuciusMare_ | er | 21:50 |
| LuciusMare_ | okay,where can i enable cellular >_> | 21:51 |
| cehteh | gave karin a chance to play with her gps today :P | 21:51 |
| LuciusMare_ | The opinion in setting tells me "celllular network unavailible" | 21:51 |
| cehteh | (an i only commented "my n900 could do better" :P) | 21:51 |
| cehteh | LuciusMare: there is a power menu applet you can install for enabling/disabling celluar | 21:52 |
| LuciusMare_ | (sorry for all these spelling errors) | 21:52 |
| acab|book_ | cehteh, yes. phone is very pure | 21:52 |
| * cehteh used it a lot and dont want to miss that | 21:52 | |
| LuciusMare_ | cehteh: well, my only connection is done through...cellular. :( | 21:52 |
| Arkenoi | the most annoying thing in maemo browser is no relow on resize. just zoom a bit and you get ugly scrollbars. is there an enhancement request already filled? | 21:52 |
| cehteh | LuciusMare: hehe ok then you may have to reboot | 21:53 |
| * LuciusMare_ facepalms | 21:53 | |
| cehteh | at least i dont know | 21:53 |
| cehteh | try to make a phone call | 21:53 |
| LuciusMare_ | Anybody, please,submit it, as an enhancement | 21:53 |
| thresh | relow? is that even english? | 21:53 |
| LuciusMare_ | hm | 21:53 |
| cehteh | iirc it asked me that time for the pin too | 21:53 |
| LuciusMare_ | lemme try | 21:53 |
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| LuciusMare_ | woo,win | 21:54 |
| Arkenoi | reflow | 21:54 |
| Arkenoi | typo | 21:54 |
| acab|book_ | n900 have big problem with power saving | 21:54 |
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| slonopotamus | acab|book_, no. power saving has big problem with n900 | 21:55 |
| LuciusMare_ | :D | 21:55 |
| acab|book_ | yes =) | 21:55 |
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| * slonopotamus doesn't want powersaving | 21:56 | |
| * slonopotamus wants BIG battery | 21:56 | |
| ml-N900 | powersaving makes the big battery last longer | 21:56 |
| slonopotamus | like, 12h under 100% cpu load. | 21:56 |
| cehteh | you cant turn it off .. | 21:57 |
| cehteh | that gives incredible battery lifetime :) | 21:57 |
| RST38h | a windup handle... | 21:57 |
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| whore|book | nonono. for example my nokia live about 1 day | 21:57 |
| whore|book | with callings and other | 21:57 |
| slonopotamus | cehteh, that gives _standby_ time. not use time. | 21:57 |
| cehteh | btw any impressions how effective the pr1.1 battery improvements are? | 21:57 |
| ml-N900 | slonopotamus: I wish. | 21:57 |
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| slonopotamus | cehteh, almost invisible :) | 21:58 |
| Hukka | cehteh: yah, not much | 21:58 |
| Hukka | I suppose it can help in some tasks | 21:58 |
| LuciusMare_ | and when we are at battery saving,anybody got a boinc-client for n900?) | 21:58 |
| Hukka | I will try enabling skype again later | 21:59 |
| LuciusMare_ | I always cry about the lost cpu cycles on overnight charging | 21:59 |
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| Hukka | LuciusMare_: think about all the countless office pcs... | 21:59 |
| Arkenoi | so, no one else thinks this web browser behavior is a problem? | 22:00 |
| LuciusMare_ | Hukka: *rage* | 22:00 |
| Hukka | LuciusMare_: or how some people use radiators for heating, not old computers! | 22:00 |
| whore|book | # CPU idle latencies and thresholds updated. | 22:00 |
| whore|book | # CellMO power consumption reduced. | 22:00 |
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| cehteh | well i had some ideas and got ok'ish battery time | 22:00 |
| LuciusMare_ | I think it should be illegal to waste cycles like this | 22:00 |
| MaemohammadAG | Hukka, i use my ps3 :p | 22:00 |
| LuciusMare_ | think of the score | 22:00 |
| thomaz | is it reasonable to change the username in the n900 from "user" to something else? | 22:00 |
| cehteh | have to try that when i have a device again | 22:00 |
| LuciusMare_ | :D | 22:00 |
| whore|book | when i can turn off wifi? | 22:01 |
| LuciusMare_ | thomaz: i wouldnt rather try it | 22:01 |
| cehteh | tweak some proc settings and so on | 22:01 |
| LuciusMare_ | for example, MyDocs is AFAIK mounted in /home/*user*/MyDocs | 22:01 |
| Hukka | thomaz: I have a feeling that many apps have or will hardcode at least the home folder path... | 22:01 |
| cehteh | thomaz: it better try carefully adding a new user | 22:01 |
| thomaz | makes sense | 22:01 |
| LuciusMare_ | yes,look above me :D | 22:01 |
| cehteh | but renaming 'user' is very likely a road to desaster | 22:01 |
| Knightcz | hello guys, I'm new here :) | 22:01 |
| cehteh | hardlink ~user to ~newuser ? :) | 22:02 |
| MaemohammadAG | Maemo should ask what you want the username to be | 22:02 |
| Hukka | Knightcz: uhhuh, and what about gals *glare* | 22:02 |
| MaemohammadAG | at startup | 22:02 |
| thomaz | MaemohammadAG, agreed | 22:02 |
| Knightcz | uh, no gals, my heart belongs to maemo :) | 22:03 |
| cehteh | i'd even like to have a real login | 22:03 |
| cehteh | ssh_pam auth :) | 22:03 |
| t_s_o | ok, why am i getting 404 errors on rss feeds from maemo.org, when they show up fine in firefox?! | 22:03 |
| thomaz | i'm setting my ssh keys between my phone and server, and it would be easier to have the same username | 22:03 |
| MaemohammadAG | i'd like to be able to use sudo | 22:03 |
| Hukka | MaemohammadAG: then again, why? as long as there is no proper multiuser support | 22:03 |
| MaemohammadAG | instead of the sudo su like root | 22:03 |
| cehteh | thomaz: that can be configured in .ssh/config | 22:03 |
| cehteh | user mappings per host and so on | 22:04 |
| Hukka | thomaz: just use aliases | 22:04 |
| thomaz | cehteh, yes, i know | 22:04 |
| MaemohammadAG | Hukka, i see what you mean | 22:04 |
| MaemohammadAG | plus it would confuse ppl in tutorials | 22:04 |
| Knightcz | for the last month I've been thinking whether I should or I should not buy the n900 | 22:04 |
| Knightcz | should I? | 22:04 |
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| Hukka | MaemohammadAG: people generally regard phones as quite personal anyway | 22:04 |
| Hukka | Knightcz: how can we know? | 22:05 |
| thresh | Knightcz: no, don't buy it. | 22:05 |
| Hukka | Knightcz: do you want a phone? | 22:05 |
| Knightcz | Hukka: dunno, looking for some advice | 22:05 |
| slonopotamus | Knightcz, don't | 22:05 |
| MaemohammadAG | Knightcz, if you're not sure about it, it's not for you | 22:05 |
| Knightcz | Hukka: I've got a phone.. that's not what I'm looking for.. I really like the linux tablet idea | 22:06 |
| MaemohammadAG | i decided i wanted to buy the first day it was announced | 22:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Is there an open bug for calendar not showing day in new event picker? | 22:06 |
| Hukka | Knightcz: well then maybe | 22:06 |
| Hukka | Knightcz: some people think it is not a good phone | 22:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | I mean - sure the scrolly day/month/year is cute - but it doesn't help me find 'next friday' | 22:06 |
| Hukka | Knightcz: but my last one was 1650 :) | 22:06 |
| cb22_ | Hukka, interestingly enough my dad thinks it is a good phone, and he is quite the typical "normal" user | 22:07 |
| Hukka | Knightcz: so I like it as a small pc | 22:07 |
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| Knightcz | Hukka: yes, thats great... small PC | 22:07 |
| cb22_ | then again, i kinda did set it up so he can access his desktop through rdesktop and the like | 22:07 |
| cb22_ | SpeedEvil, hi :) moved on from openmoko? haha | 22:07 |
| SpeedEvil | cb22: mostly. | 22:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Highlighting on fiasco-gen. Ugh. | 22:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | cb22: plowed lots of hours into the project at least sort-of-helping - with no return almost. | 22:08 |
| Trizt | Knightcz, Hukka: a small personal computer with a bit limited battery time | 22:08 |
| cb22 | SpeedEvil, yeah, i remember... i never ended up getting one, due to my credit card not being accepted... guess it was some sort of blessing in disguise... | 22:08 |
| Knightcz | About a year ago I bought a netbook and I rarely use it | 22:08 |
| MaemohammadAG | Trizt, it's better than my laptop, that lasts 5 minutes | 22:09 |
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| MaemohammadAG | if i'm lucky | 22:09 |
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| * MaemohammadAG should recalibrate his battery | 22:09 | |
| SpeedEvil | cb22: and it's not looking like GTA03 is happening - at least a a price/featurepoint comparable with n900. And given that I found n900 at half priceish due to vouchers - and could use it as an excuse to reward myself for a diet... (-14kg so far). | 22:09 |
| Trizt | MaemohammadAG; sounds like you have a HP dvXXXX | 22:09 |
| Knightcz | Hukka: what do you use it for? | 22:09 |
| SpeedEvil | cb22: wasn't hard to decide. | 22:09 |
| Knightcz | Hukka: I mean n900 | 22:09 |
| MaemohammadAG | Trizt, worse | 22:09 |
| MaemohammadAG | LG LT-20 | 22:09 |
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| Knightcz | Trizt: how limited battery time? | 22:09 |
| Trizt | MaemohammadAG; is there worse than HP dv? | 22:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Knightcz: I've only seen 2.5 hours or so battery life worst-case. | 22:10 |
| Knightcz | Trizt: I do charge almost every day (1st gen of iphone) | 22:10 |
| MaemohammadAG | Trizt, at least the dv-s have good specs | 22:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Knightcz: But that was downloading something big over 3g - while playing games. | 22:10 |
| Hukka | cb22: yah, it's phone enough for me | 22:10 |
| MaemohammadAG | this one doesn't have an internal optical drive | 22:10 |
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| Knightcz | SpeedEvil: that's good, no 3G in here :) | 22:10 |
| Hukka | cb22: much better sound quality than before | 22:10 |
| Hukka | cb22: and skype! | 22:11 |
| cb22 | SpeedEvil, yeah, i saw that... it seems they're not making phones anymore... when i first saw the N900 i was quite overjoyes | 22:11 |
| whore|book | what os nokia install on regular cell phones? | 22:11 |
| Trizt | Knightcz; if I leave it over night charing, I have 3-4h of idle use, if I stop the charging when it's full, then idle use will last a couple of days or more (I always use, so I get kind of up to half day/day) | 22:11 |
| Knightcz | SpeedEvil: although thats cool you can download something with a phone :) | 22:11 |
| cb22 | whore|book, depends, S40, S60, or their own propritary one | 22:11 |
| whore|book | on regular | 22:11 |
| Hukka | cb22: but some are used to this one handed smartphone concept that integrates to their company systems | 22:11 |
| whore|book | not simbian | 22:11 |
| Hukka | just look at all the complaints about exchange and multisim | 22:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Knightcz: I was blown away when I realised that the easiest way to backup my laptops hard disk (the / partition which seemed though it was going dodgy) was rsync to the phone. | 22:11 |
| Trizt | MaemohammadAG; Mine had good specs, but it's utterly crap | 22:11 |
| Knightcz | SpeedEvil: hah :) | 22:12 |
| Hukka | Knightcz: I have been tired of carrying many devices for a long time | 22:12 |
| MaemohammadAG | whore|book, they use symbian only afaik | 22:12 |
| cb22 | Hukka, in my opinion, if you want a one handed smartphone, go get the E72. if you wanna be able to do "N900$ ls /" get an n900 :) | 22:12 |
| Hukka | Knightcz: this is the first one that combines pda, phone and pmp | 22:12 |
| MaemohammadAG | S40 is what you might be referring to | 22:12 |
| Knightcz | Is it possible to connect a bluetooth keyboard to it? | 22:12 |
| Trizt | by the way, mouting nfs shares with the n900, that supported? | 22:12 |
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| Hukka | Knightcz: i also own 770 and iRiver H120 | 22:13 |
| odin_ | scratchbox has libncursesw.so.5 but N900 doesn't? is this intended ? | 22:13 |
| whore|book | i think. if nokia help with programming, and impove power management, and nokia n900 can love about 2 days | 22:13 |
| Hukka | but haven't used them in a while | 22:13 |
| MaemohammadAG | Knightcz, to the n900. yes | 22:13 |
| cb22 | SpeedEvil, yes, it's crazy what you can do with it when you think about... all that power in such a small device... with good hardware specs, and a usable interface | 22:13 |
| cb22 | according to one post, it can last for ~20 hours or so playing music | 22:14 |
| Knightcz | MaemohammadAG: so, you can connect it to a TV, bluetooth keyboard and work on it? | 22:14 |
| Knightcz | MaemohammadAG: what about BT mouse? | 22:14 |
| MaemohammadAG | Knightcz, well yes, idk about menus though | 22:14 |
| Knightcz | MaemohammadAG: thats awesome | 22:14 |
| SpeedEvil | cb22: well - I got the neo to do that... | 22:15 |
| MaemohammadAG | Knightcz, mice use HID, same as keyboards, so it would work but w/o a pointer | 22:15 |
| cb22 | Knightcz, might be intersting to do that with a debian chroot | 22:15 |
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| MaemohammadAG | cb22, it was tried | 22:15 |
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| MaemohammadAG | a slight move would move the cursor from end to end | 22:15 |
| MaemohammadAG | so Xorg has to be modified | 22:15 |
| cb22 | SpeedEvil, the playing music part, or the rsyncing part? | 22:15 |
| odin_ | is it possible to browser https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/freemantle/ssu/ somewhere? | 22:16 |
| cb22 | MaemohammadAG, i'd imagine most of the power saving is handled by the kernel, with a daemon or 2 handling the rest? | 22:16 |
| Knightcz | I want the phone :( | 22:16 |
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| cb22 | i wonder if anyone has just installed debian raw on the phone | 22:16 |
| SpeedEvil | cb22: playing music | 22:16 |
| Knightcz | when is nokia going to release a successor of the n900? | 22:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Knightcz: wednesday. | 22:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Knightcz: Plus or minus three days. | 22:17 |
| cehteh | when they sold enough n900 :) | 22:17 |
| Knightcz | SpeedEvil: eh? | 22:17 |
| whore|book | Knightcz, and what will be added in it? batteery in 2500-3000mA? | 22:17 |
| cb22 | SpeedEvil, ah, just dont try to play videos on it... or the freerunner... that good ol' glamo... | 22:17 |
| Trizt | Knightcz; but the n920 is supposed to without keyboard... my friends with iPhones wish they had a keyboard like the n900 | 22:18 |
| Knightcz | whore|book: I dunno.. I just dont wanna buy something that is unsupported after 2 months.. | 22:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | cb22: yes. Damn shame that the glamo is at best a wash generally. | 22:18 |
| MaemohammadAG | cb22, no idea :p | 22:18 |
| whore|book | n900 in few month will be unsupported? | 22:18 |
| Knightcz | Trizt: yes, that's something I really miss on iphone | 22:18 |
| odin_ | https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/freemantle/ssu/mr0/dists/Release ?? | 22:18 |
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| X-Fade | odin_: there is no such thing. | 22:18 |
| Knightcz | it happened to me with n80 | 22:18 |
| odin_ | I'm after the package manager descriptor, to find the URL of the ncurses package | 22:19 |
| Knightcz | I bought it, and after few months there was n73 with different display resolution and noone were making apps for my n80 :) | 22:19 |
| Knightcz | that sucked | 22:20 |
| cb22 | SpeedEvil, indeed... but now there's a DSP and dedicated graphics processor :) | 22:20 |
| Dr_Cain | hmm, did adblock stop working in 1.1 or is it just me? | 22:20 |
| SpeedEvil | cb22: undocumented | 22:20 |
| SpeedEvil | (for various values of un) | 22:20 |
| cb22 | well, some people have gone and ported theora to it | 22:20 |
| tybollt | Trizt: n920 w/o keyboard and capacitive screen? Nokia will kill the maemo franchise that way | 22:21 |
| SpeedEvil | tybollt: in a large way - they can't. | 22:21 |
| tybollt | why | 22:21 |
| SpeedEvil | tybollt: n900 has proved open linux can sell phones. | 22:21 |
| Knightcz | SpeedEvil: how open maemo really is? | 22:21 |
| MaemohammadAG | tybollt, N950* | 22:21 |
| cb22 | SpeedEvil, but yes, "Unfortunately, these pieces are not publicly documented by TI, so the current Theora port (which is open source) is unable to use them" | 22:21 |
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| tybollt | really? have n900 sold more than to a bunch of nerds yet? :) | 22:22 |
| SpeedEvil | tybollt: If they try to put it back in the box, then you can get someone putting their own UI elements on mer. | 22:22 |
| SpeedEvil | tybollt: and then selling phones based on that. | 22:22 |
| tybollt | I mean I ride the tube here every day. and every other guy has an iphone... I've so far to see the n900 even in store shelves :) | 22:22 |
| MaemohammadAG | tybollt, check out talk.maemo.org, and look at the stupid questions | 22:22 |
| cb22 | now imagine if everyone had one :P | 22:22 |
| MaemohammadAG | it was sold to non nerds too :p | 22:23 |
| wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: around? | 22:23 |
| Knightcz | I am not nerd and I wanna buy n900 :) | 22:23 |
| tybollt | <-- nerd and fairly stupid ;) | 22:23 |
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| whore|book | why i cannot view my other mobile phone via bt in browser like in 770\800\810? | 22:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | whore|book: because that's as yet unimplemented. | 22:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/cameras/nokia/n900/ - some sort of proxy for numbers of users. | 22:27 |
| Knightcz | am I nerd? | 22:27 |
| whore|book | SpeedEvil, but why? | 22:27 |
| norayr | hello everyone :) | 22:27 |
| Knightcz | norayr: hello you | 22:27 |
| norayr | anyone uses os2008 repo righ now? | 22:27 |
| whore|book | norayr, darova | 22:27 |
| bfree | hi, does anyone know if there is a browser capable of handling wml available for the N900? I thought midori might but no :-( Trying to get into vodafone live (on an unbranded sim free device) to see if I can get their "mobile tv" working (Ireland). thanks | 22:27 |
| evo | umm, is there a way to sort bookmarks alphabeticaly and not by add? | 22:28 |
| norayr | i wonder whether nokia official repo is down, or i have problems with apt-get ;) | 22:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | whore|book: because it hasn't. To find the answer for that question, you have to travel to the peak of the highest mountain in finland, and yodel it. | 22:29 |
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| norayr | whore|book: priv. my znakomy? | 22:29 |
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| whore|book | SpeedEvil, okay. but why its was implemented in old os? | 22:29 |
| whore|book | norayr, not yet | 22:29 |
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| norayr | :) | 22:29 |
| cb22 | bfree, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/62 maybe as a start... | 22:29 |
| SpeedEvil | whore|book: The designers do not see all things users might want as priorities. | 22:30 |
| whore|book | SpeedEvil, they are jercs | 22:30 |
| Dr_Cain | wap, lol | 22:30 |
| cb22 | jerks* | 22:30 |
| Dr_Cain | also that won't work in microB because of lack of XUL probably | 22:30 |
| whore|book | http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2598/3993155950_d77b8493be.jpg wtf? | 22:30 |
| cb22 | Dr_Cain, try install fennec then | 22:31 |
| Dr_Cain | whore|book: rolling shutter on a CMOS sensor camera ;P | 22:31 |
| Dr_Cain | makes that effect | 22:31 |
| Dr_Cain | cb22: yeah it's nice.. but soo slow :/ | 22:31 |
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| whore|book | hmmmm, strange.. | 22:31 |
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| norayr | i am getting bzip2 error on nokia certified repo - error code (2). I have bunzip2 installed. | 22:31 |
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| cb22 | Dr_Cain, that effect is awesome... | 22:32 |
| norayr | anyone can check whether nokia repo is down? | 22:32 |
| whore|book | norayr, do you came from? | 22:32 |
| Dr_Cain | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_shutter | 22:32 |
| Dr_Cain | some more there :) | 22:32 |
| norayr | whore|book: Armenia :) | 22:32 |
| norayr | whore|book: and you? | 22:32 |
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| whore|book | Giorgia? | 22:32 |
| SpeedEvil | rolling shutter isn't very awesome :( | 22:32 |
| hrw | anywaone brave enough to check my nearly not tested on device application? | 22:32 |
| cb22 | hehe, when you want to make cool looking photos of moving objects, it seems to be | 22:32 |
| norayr | whore|book: no, Armenia :) | 22:32 |
| whore|book | Dr_Cain, gooood | 22:32 |
| cb22 | but if you want a proper shot, guess not | 22:32 |
| norayr | whore|book: which device do you own? | 22:33 |
| whore|book | norayr, n900 | 22:33 |
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| norayr | whore|book: so, it's maemo 5 | 22:33 |
| norayr | ok, people, if nobody can check whether nokia repo works, then... | 22:33 |
| whore|book | yes, and device very pure | 22:33 |
| X-Fade | norayr: they work. | 22:34 |
| norayr | hmmm | 22:34 |
| whore|book | X-Fade, in armenia wery pooor internet and slooooooow | 22:34 |
| pupnik_ | the brothers' gonna work it out | 22:34 |
| norayr | no, actually :) | 22:34 |
| norayr | then i assume it is a gpg problem | 22:34 |
| odin_ | why is "rootfs" and "ubi0:rootfs" listed as well? is that a startup error with incorrect editing of /etc/mtab ? or pivor_root issue ? | 22:34 |
| odin_ | s/pivor_root/pivot_root | 22:35 |
| konttori | Funny to look at 'how big the changelog is' http://www.fonearena.com/blog/2010/01/14/omg-nokia-n900-pr1-1-firmware-changelog-is-huge.html as the *real* amount of fixes was in four digits for pr1.1 | 22:35 |
| norayr | it all started after i did apt-get update manually, from console. so, now i wonder, whether apt-get from console behavour differ from "Application Manager" behavour? | 22:36 |
| gevaerts | konttori: I wouldn't say that too loudly :) | 22:36 |
| X-Fade | konttori: More reason to push for moving bugzilla to public for more non critical items :) | 22:36 |
| konttori | application framework fixes seem to have counted to over 250. | 22:37 |
| konttori | I say that number only, as it's all open stack, so anybody can calculate the bugs from gits, even if the reasons of the bugs are not always shown in the changelogs | 22:37 |
| konttori | of course, more often they are | 22:37 |
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| bfree | thanks guys, didn't realise there was no xul in microb :-/ do I have to install fennec directly from mozilla (i.e. not an apt repo, if so yuck)? | 22:38 |
| gevaerts | well yes, but biased reviewers are not likely to do that work... | 22:38 |
| Luser | application manager == joke , at least on my n800. click cancel and you end up with apt-worker reading a deleted file.. | 22:39 |
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| norayr | Luser: i mean, it all started after i run apt-get update manually. Before that, i was using "app manager" and it was fine. | 22:40 |
| gevaerts | \☺/ | 22:40 |
| * gevaerts just reached his 63rd 3-star level in angry birds :) | 22:40 | |
| norayr | Luser: and apt-get update didn't end up successfully | 22:40 |
| slonopotamus | extras-testing broken? | 22:40 |
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| hrw | Luser: h-a-m started to be usable just after maemo5-44.1 | 22:41 |
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| redeeman | ham? | 22:41 |
| Luser | yea because apt-worker has taken the lock | 22:41 |
| hrw | redeeman: hildon application manager | 22:41 |
| konttori | yeah, speed issues were fixed for 44-1 | 22:41 |
| SpeedEvil | How do I search brainstorm for calendar? | 22:41 |
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| norayr | Luser: sec, i'll check for apt-worker in the ps output | 22:42 |
| Luser | hrw i have the latest firmware and its not usable.. | 22:42 |
| norayr | Luser: thanks, this is it | 22:42 |
| hrw | Luser: on n800 it will never be :( | 22:43 |
| norayr | Luser: but wait | 22:43 |
| hrw | Luser: this is nokia - they do not care about not-latest models | 22:43 |
| norayr | Luser: no, this is not the case. i was running apt without "app manager" other time. | 22:43 |
| ml-N900 | hmm | 22:44 |
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| norayr | Luser: I mean, i know about the lock, just apt-get update says: | 22:44 |
| Anidel | hi | 22:44 |
| ml-N900 | maybe my bug was fixed | 22:44 |
| ml-N900 | no reboots all day | 22:44 |
| SpeedEvil | It can't be impossible to search brainstorm can it? | 22:44 |
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| lcuk | Anidel, \o | 22:45 |
| whore|book | ml-N900, what bug? | 22:45 |
| SpeedEvil | I can see no search facility, and it seems so critically vital that no sane dev would leave it out... | 22:45 |
| konttori | we had a lot of work done together with TI on making the reboots disappear. | 22:45 |
| norayr | Hit http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com chinook Release | 22:45 |
| norayr | Ign http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com ./ Release | 22:45 |
| norayr | Get:1 http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com chinook/user Packages [14.8kB] | 22:45 |
| norayr | 99% [1 Packages bzip2 0] [Waiting for headers] 379B/s 0s | 22:45 |
| norayr | bzip2: Data integrity error when decompressing. | 22:45 |
| norayr | Input file = (stdin), output file = (stdout) | 22:45 |
| norayr | It is possible that the compressed file(s) have become corrupted. | 22:45 |
| norayr | You can use the -tvv option to test integrity of such files. | 22:45 |
| norayr | oops | 22:45 |
| ml-N900 | konttori: very cool | 22:45 |
| X-Fade | norayr: Still on chinook? | 22:45 |
| konttori | not *all* reasons for the HW reboots were found but enough that you don't have to worry about those anymore. | 22:45 |
| X-Fade | norayr: Time to update, really. | 22:46 |
| norayr | u mean software update, yeah? | 22:46 |
| X-Fade | I had uptime of 12 days on pr1.1 | 22:46 |
| konttori | I think we know one more reason that can cause reboots, but that's it. (well, except for obvious kernel panics and such) | 22:46 |
| Luser | norayr i have exactly the same :) | 22:46 |
| norayr | :) | 22:46 |
| norayr | Luser: so, repo is down? | 22:46 |
| ml-N900 | konttori: will keep an eye out | 22:47 |
| frals | norayr: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=474703&postcount=19 | 22:47 |
| frals | i guess thats whats happening | 22:47 |
| norayr | frals: thank, i'll check it | 22:47 |
| norayr | frals: thanks* | 22:47 |
| Luser | norayr let me try again.. | 22:47 |
| konttori | wow! | 22:48 |
| konttori | (about the frals comment) | 22:48 |
| konttori | I really hope that's not the case anymore | 22:48 |
| whore|book | konttori greeteengs from belarus | 22:49 |
| X-Fade | konttori: fds notified, they're on it. | 22:49 |
| konttori | so, does that affect extras only or all akamai repos? | 22:49 |
| X-Fade | sdk, ssu diablo and extras. | 22:50 |
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| X-Fade | They need to turn this 'feature' off per ip. | 22:50 |
| X-Fade | And those ips changed today of course. | 22:50 |
| w00t_ | hrrm. anyone had experience with the charging light not working after update to 1.1? | 22:51 |
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| ShadowJK_ | works for me | 22:51 |
| X-Fade | w00t_: lock device | 22:51 |
| ShadowJK_ | and check settings | 22:52 |
| w00t_ | X-Fade: *blink*? | 22:52 |
| * gevaerts sometimes wonders why he hasn't had any issues with his n900 at all | 22:52 | |
| w00t_ | already did, ShadowJK_ | 22:52 |
| X-Fade | w00t_: Or close keyboard | 22:52 |
| thresh | gevaerts: you never turned it on, of course! | 22:52 |
| w00t_ | gevaerts: the 'issues' I have aren't really anything that annoy me | 22:52 |
| X-Fade | w00t_: It only does it when idle | 22:52 |
| w00t_ | X-Fade: it's closed, idle, and hasn't been touched in 10 minutes | 22:52 |
| gevaerts | thresh: ah, well spotted! | 22:52 |
| w00t_ | it's not flashed at all during that time | 22:52 |
| Anidel | hi lcuk | 22:52 |
| X-Fade | w00t_: Hmm, then it should. | 22:52 |
| frals | does it charge? ;-) | 22:52 |
| w00t_ | frals: yes | 22:52 |
| w00t_ | at least, it *says* it's charging, and it hasn't run out of battery since the update, so I'm assuming so. :-P | 22:53 |
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| w00t_ | X-Fade: i'll try replicate on mine and report if I can reproduce it, otherwise I'll try a reflash and see if that helps | 22:53 |
| xorAxAx | w00t_: maybe its disabled in the settings>? | 22:53 |
| w00t_ | xorAxAx: it's enabled | 22:53 |
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| norayr | frals: Luser: actually i've got my device just couple of days ago | 22:53 |
| xorAxAx | maybe your yellow LED is broken :) | 22:53 |
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| norayr | which explains why repo is chinook probably? | 22:54 |
| xorAxAx | norayr: which device? | 22:54 |
| norayr | ok, then should I change /etc/apt/sources/hi***.list? | 22:54 |
| norayr | n810 | 22:54 |
| xorAxAx | an n800? | 22:54 |
| xorAxAx | n810 is shipped with chinook? wow | 22:54 |
| tybollt | hrrrm | 22:55 |
| norayr | ok, enlighten me please | 22:55 |
| norayr | why is it wrong? | 22:55 |
| * tybollt just learned how to "long click" >:) | 22:55 | |
| Luser | lovely if you open the ..packages.bz2 in a browser. nice trace error.. | 22:55 |
| norayr | i just don't know what version it has to be shipped with | 22:56 |
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| xorAxAx | norayr: well, its certainly correct | 22:56 |
| norayr | :) nice | 22:57 |
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| xorAxAx | norayr: but it would make sense to flash a newer version, see tablet-dev.nokia.com | 22:57 |
| norayr | thank you | 22:57 |
| norayr | I thought | 22:57 |
| norayr | that it is possible to do with apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade | 22:57 |
| norayr | sorry, but url doesn't work | 22:59 |
| norayr | tablet-dev.nokia.com ? are you sure? | 22:59 |
| slonopotamus | fresh blood :) norayr, you have a wonderful future of tons of dissapointments about maemo :) | 22:59 |
| xorAxAx | tablets-dev.nokia.com | 22:59 |
| xorAxAx | sorry | 22:59 |
| xorAxAx | i dont think dist-upgrade works on maemo | 22:59 |
| norayr | ok, then I'll flash a new version, and I also want to have another alternate os | 22:59 |
| norayr | what would you suggest: Mer, Ubuntu, Gentoo? | 23:00 |
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| norayr | Is it the choice? | 23:00 |
| SyncA | hi | 23:00 |
| gevaerts | norayr: netbsd | 23:00 |
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| Luser | norayr debian, the underlayer is really fine, it's more what nokia added which is crap | 23:00 |
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| slonopotamus | norayr, try mer first. | 23:01 |
| norayr | wow! slonopotamus? | 23:01 |
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| norayr | actually i am an experienced gentoo user | 23:01 |
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| norayr | that's why am I asking | 23:01 |
| Jaffa | xorAxAx: thanks for tha, now to work out why... (well, tomorrow probably) | 23:02 |
| norayr | I suppose I would use windowmaker, roxterm, moc, and wireless-tools in case of gentoo | 23:02 |
| slonopotamus | norayr, err... yep, i'm slonopotamus | 23:02 |
| whore|book | konttori greeteengs from belarusckjybr | 23:02 |
| whore|book | slonopotamus, слоник :) | 23:02 |
| slonopotamus | o_O | 23:02 |
| norayr | so, there is also debian port? | 23:02 |
| tybollt | slonopotamus: :D | 23:02 |
| whore|book | O_o | 23:02 |
| konttori | whore|book: thanks | 23:03 |
| Luser | norayr, I have "ported" openbox if you want | 23:03 |
| norayr | and the choice is debian, ubuntu, gentoo by slonopotamus, and mer | 23:03 |
| norayr | Luser: openbox for Maemo 4? | 23:03 |
| slonopotamus | norayr, there was deblet, but it's lost in time and forgotten. | 23:03 |
| Luser | norayr, yes. etternal problem is the keyboard emulation for n800.. | 23:04 |
| konttori | how about kde? | 23:04 |
| slonopotamus | konfoo, 'kde' isn't a distro. | 23:04 |
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| slonopotamus | err | 23:04 |
| Luser | and that's why i'm tempted to buy the n900 | 23:04 |
| slonopotamus | konttori, kde isn't a distro. | 23:04 |
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| whore|book | i wanna nokia n1000 with big screen and thin brick | 23:06 |
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| whore|book | and nokia must prepare coffie | 23:07 |
| norayr | Luser: I see | 23:08 |
| norayr | Luser: nice, I will try it | 23:08 |
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| norayr | Luser: Is it on extra repo? | 23:08 |
| norayr | I am downloading latest OS2008 release | 23:08 |
| konttori | slonopotamus: true enough | 23:09 |
| konttori | Luser: n900 has surprisingly good kb. MUch better than n810s kb | 23:09 |
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| xorAxAx | konttori: yep | 23:10 |
| konttori | even though device is smaller | 23:10 |
| xorAxAx | i really hated the n810 keyboard | 23:10 |
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| norayr | ok, am I right, that there will be no other OS2008 releases? So, if I want to add something, like keyboard layout, I cannot do it for the next release of OS2008, only for Maemo 5? | 23:10 |
| Myrtti | norayr: there's always Mer | 23:10 |
| whore|book | what is mer? | 23:11 |
| Myrtti | ~mer | 23:11 |
| xorAxAx | norayr: of course you can provide stuff for older versions | 23:11 |
| infobot | mer is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer | 23:11 |
| norayr | Myrtti: uhu, so this is why I wonder | 23:11 |
| whore|book | tnx | 23:11 |
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| whore|book | There is currently no text in this page, you can search for this page title in other pages or edit this page. | 23:11 |
| norayr | what should I install as alternate system - Mer, Ubuntu, or Gentoo :) | 23:11 |
| Luser | norayr, no, it's on my private repo. search http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php for openbox | 23:12 |
| xorAxAx | does anyone know why i cannot start x applications from a chroot? | 23:12 |
| norayr | OK, I suppose, Mer is very similar to Maemo, right? Is it Maemo based? | 23:12 |
| norayr | Luser: Thanks, today I have found this page with a lot of repos. | 23:12 |
| Luser | norayr, the only thing missing is that you need to kill the whole maemo before starting openbox. and actually I don't have the script anymore.. | 23:12 |
| norayr | Luser: I'll definitely give it a try :) | 23:12 |
| Luser | maybe somebody has one | 23:12 |
| Luser | I'll try mer | 23:13 |
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| norayr | Luser: whole Maemo? I see :) | 23:13 |
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| norayr | Ok, is Mer Maemo based? Debian based, I assume. | 23:13 |
| whore|book | nokia != maemo? | 23:13 |
| norayr | I mean, does it use Maemo source code? | 23:13 |
| Luser | norayr, well, matchbox, sapwood, .. | 23:14 |
| MaemohammadAG | whore|book, who would've thought :p | 23:14 |
| whore|book | MaemohammadAG, but why OS2008 didnt update? | 23:14 |
| norayr | ok, i've read about matchbox | 23:14 |
| MaemohammadAG | support for it stopped? | 23:14 |
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| whore|book | i think yes | 23:14 |
| xorAxAx | maemo is owned by nokia, whore|book | 23:14 |
| whore|book | stopped | 23:14 |
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| MaemohammadAG | just a thought | 23:14 |
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| Luser | norayr, it's a bit tricky to bring down matchbox and sapwood.. | 23:15 |
| slonopotamus | norayr, mer is the only one alternative that is based on maemo. | 23:15 |
| whore|book | nokia 6 is developing? | 23:16 |
| whore|book | sorry. maemo 6 | 23:16 |
| norayr | Luser: searching for sapwood in wikipedia | 23:16 |
| slonopotamus | whore|book, looks like yes. | 23:16 |
| norayr | Luser: besides, nothing | 23:16 |
| norayr | :) | 23:16 |
| MaemohammadAG | maemo 6 is in development | 23:16 |
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| norayr | matchbox is a window manager | 23:16 |
| norayr | afaik | 23:16 |
| norayr | :) | 23:16 |
| whore|book | but why programmers make branches? why did not just update all | 23:17 |
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| whore|book | from realese to relliease? | 23:17 |
| whore|book | i think it sill be better | 23:17 |
| fiferboy | Does anyone know how to get an app to respond to change of theme? | 23:17 |
| MaemohammadAG | what would a bug with nokia messaging be filed under | 23:17 |
| whore|book | and many people can update own n800 or same to maemo5 | 23:17 |
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| norayr | actually yes, i think there are some marketing issues, which explains why maemo 5 doesn't work on previous hardware | 23:18 |
| MaemohammadAG | maemo official applications i guess | 23:18 |
| norayr | which is why Mer as an open source initiative rules :) | 23:18 |
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| whore|book | google nexus one how many battery live? | 23:19 |
| whore|book | same like in n900 =)& | 23:19 |
| slonopotamus | norayr, that's how all binary-based distros work. they can't have smooth updates because of abi changes. | 23:19 |
| penguinbait | are we having fun yet? | 23:19 |
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| w00t_ | aren't we always | 23:20 |
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| whore|book | who use nexus one? | 23:21 |
| slonopotamus | norayr, sooner or later you they need to do whole world upgrade. | 23:21 |
| Luser | slonopotamus, really? I'm using debian since several years and never saw any problem.. | 23:21 |
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| Luser | penguinbait :) | 23:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Binary isn't the point | 23:22 |
| slonopotamus | Luser, i didn't say there are any problems. | 23:22 |
| penguinbait | at least someones having fun | 23:22 |
| SpeedEvil | You think you can throw together random source, and have it 'just work' - in a nice manner for users? | 23:22 |
| slonopotamus | lupine_85, you just have libs versions fixed in ach release, | 23:22 |
| SpeedEvil | With no UI bugs? | 23:22 |
| lupine_85 | hmm? | 23:22 |
| slonopotamus | s/lupine_85/Luser/ | 23:23 |
| infobot | slonopotamus meant: Luser, you just have libs versions fixed in ach release, | 23:23 |
| slonopotamus | *each | 23:23 |
| lupine_85 | :p | 23:23 |
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| Luser | ok yes, when abi changes well.. then everything has to change yes if that's what you meant with smooth. | 23:24 |
| lupine_85 | as long as you have good QA, you can get away with anything, ABI-wise | 23:24 |
| slonopotamus | whence, separate releases. | 23:24 |
| bfree | there are "binary" "rolling release" distros that let you update to the latest state whenever you want. as long as the packages dependency info (and the upgrade method) is good there's no problem | 23:24 |
| * xorAxAx is running debian on his n900 | 23:25 | |
| xorAxAx | in a chroot | 23:25 |
| Luser | sometimes on my n800, the wifi is just lagging, until I ping from the n800 to something and then it restarts. anybody has this? I wonder if it's not my neighboor and his 801n | 23:25 |
| Luser | that basically makes the device unusable | 23:25 |
| slonopotamus | bfree, oh, didn't know. have an example? | 23:25 |
| bfree | slonopotamus: Debian sid ... or sidux ;-) | 23:25 |
| MaemohammadAG | on alias in bugzilla, do I enter the title of the bug? | 23:26 |
| bfree | slonopotamus: I think arch also aims for the same but to be honest I don't really know about it | 23:26 |
| hrw | I need brave tested which likes Protracker modules | 23:26 |
| hrw | s/tested/tester | 23:26 |
| slonopotamus | hrw, tracker is a thing that eats all my cpu when i'm copying large file to n900? | 23:26 |
| hrw | slonopotamus: no, it is music from old times | 23:27 |
| ShadowJK_ | Heh. I have Debian Stable.. some version before 3.0... on a machine... can't upgrade it, the machine doesn't have enough power :-) | 23:27 |
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| lupine_85 | hmmm, potato | 23:27 |
| lupine_85 | probably | 23:27 |
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| hrw | potato was 2.2 | 23:28 |
| ShadowJK_ | ya | 23:28 |
| hrw | 3.0 was woody | 23:28 |
| ShadowJK_ | something like that | 23:28 |
| hrw | I started from slink (2.1) | 23:28 |
| ShadowJK_ | it actually might be woody | 23:28 |
| wnd | good old potato | 23:29 |
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| konttori | slonopotamus: yes, that's tracker | 23:29 |
| Luser | 3 years between the 3.0 and the 3.1! :) | 23:29 |
| ShadowJK_ | Not enough disk, not enough RAM.. and a Sheevaplug runs 10X faster, has 20 times more RAM, and uses 10 times less electricity.. | 23:30 |
| konttori | slonopotamus: otoh, it should temporarily blacklist a fast changing file | 23:30 |
| konttori | ok,night all! | 23:30 |
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| Luser | I didnt know Mer provided a flashable image. wow.. is it safe? humm | 23:31 |
| * xorAxAx tries to run wesnoth on n900 :) | 23:31 | |
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| * slonopotamus drinks beer and doesn't care. | 23:32 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Hmm. Calendar cannot do hourly tasks... | 23:34 |
| SpeedEvil | annoying. | 23:35 |
| tybollt | Luser: what image? | 23:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Can someone put up crond to extras-devel? | 23:35 |
| whore|book | how much battery live in n900? | 23:35 |
| xorAxAx | SpeedEvil: there is fcrond in ruskies repo | 23:35 |
| xorAxAx | SpeedEvil: try gpe-calendar, its better iMHO | 23:35 |
| Luser | tybollt, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Installation#Flashable_Image | 23:35 |
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| Luser | I'll do the not-so-brave method first anyway | 23:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | whore|book: from 4 days to 2.5 hours depending on what you're doing | 23:36 |
| whore|book | SpeedEvil, i just use for little musik, some hour of speack and little wifi | 23:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | I hope to have some decent benchmarks of battery consumption in all use-cases up soon. | 23:40 |
| hrw | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=475041 - my app got released to public | 23:40 |
| MaemohammadAG | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8089 | 23:41 |
| povbot | Bug 8089: Clicking notifications for e-mails in folders displays an error | 23:41 |
| Luser | hrw, very good! you should add a screenshot in the post! People like screenshot, it's just like this :) | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: heya. you hooked some hirschmans and labcables to N900 and your DVM? | 23:43 |
| hrw | Luser: I wrote: UI suxx | 23:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I have a partially done testing rig with USB ADC and a proper clip to attach to the battery that won't short it out at random times. | 23:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Explosions are bad. | 23:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | lol | 23:44 |
| ShadowJK_ | how low can it reliably measure? | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and... COOOL | 23:45 |
| woglinde | re | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | frals, shoutout from Jaaksi: http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2010/01/maemo-is-on-right-tracks-friday.html | 23:45 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK_: probably a few hundred microamps | 23:45 |
| frals | GeneralAntilles: yes, I read that earlier, quite.. humbled :) | 23:46 |
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| frals | (also got solid twitter spam about new followers ;D) | 23:46 |
| Shrik3 | is the nokia certified catalogue for diablo supposed to be broken? | 23:47 |
| hrw | bye | 23:47 |
| Shrik3 | the Packages.gz my N810 is trying to load is broken, badly | 23:47 |
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| woglinde | bye hrw | 23:47 |
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| frals | Shrik3: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=474703&postcount=19 | 23:47 |
| RevdKathy | You have a lot of people watching in twitter who don;' say much, frals | 23:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | hrw|gone, oh, don't piss on the fun. :P | 23:48 |
| frals | RevdKathy: Yes, I feel... followed ;) | 23:48 |
| woglinde | kathy nice blogpost about the branding | 23:48 |
| RevdKathy | People are solidly behond you | 23:48 |
| Shrik3 | frals: ok, thanks | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | "New follower" emails are my only interaction with twitter since I opened an account. | 23:48 |
| hrw|gone | GeneralAntilles: que? | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | hrw|gone, the Jaaksi post. | 23:49 |
| hrw|gone | .... him | 23:49 |
| RevdKathy | thanks woglinde. it was the principle of branding/locking something as open as Maemo - heckd me off! | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | RevdKathy, this is why the whole GSM voice thing has scared me since the beginning. | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Regional firmwares, locked devices, price hikes, lack of frequency support. . . . | 23:50 |
| xorAxAx | hi RevdKathy | 23:50 |
| RevdKathy | yeah - I saw what you said on the feneral form, GeneralAntilles | 23:50 |
| RevdKathy | Hi xorAxAx - how's tricks? | 23:50 |
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| xorAxAx | RevdKathy: all fine here, how about you? | 23:51 |
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| xorAxAx | btw, i got an allegedly vodafone branded n900 here which was a vanilla phone | 23:51 |
| Luser | it's not only confusing app manager, it's simply dead on the webserver if you look there: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/dists/diablo/user/binary-armel/Packages.bz2 | 23:51 |
| RevdKathy | mildly depressed, and the storms on maemo.org haven't helped. Mind, niether has the G&T, xorAxAx. Thanks for asking | 23:51 |
| xorAxAx | RevdKathy: G&T? | 23:52 |
| * GeneralAntilles points at laughs at the crayon: http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/official-htc-capacitive-stylus-for-hd2-now-shipping/ | 23:52 | |
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| SpeedEvil | xlr | 23:52 |
| RevdKathy | glad you got an unbranded one - I believe only the ones FROM voda are currently damaged | 23:52 |
| SpeedEvil | xorAxAx: complain to vosd | 23:52 |
| RevdKathy | G&T = gin and tonic | 23:52 |
| SpeedEvil | voda | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Has anybody confirmed whether you can flash a Nokia firmware? | 23:52 |
| woglinde | ga new windowsmobil version is shedulded to next year | 23:53 |
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| xorAxAx | RevdKathy: hehe, is that your usual recipe against depression? | 23:53 |
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| RevdKathy | wow! That stylus looks... odd | 23:53 |
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| VINCENT__ | does anyone know the location of the default ringtones | 23:53 |
| SpeedEvil | VINCENT__: ME! | 23:53 |
| RevdKathy | xorAxAx - no, I usually settle for chocolate | 23:53 |
| VINCENT__ | can you tell me :P | 23:54 |
| SpeedEvil | /usr/share/sounds | 23:54 |
| woglinde | kathy black or white? | 23:54 |
| VINCENT__ | ahh oke thanks there | 23:54 |
| xorAxAx | white chocolate doesnt work, woglinde | 23:54 |
| evo | is anyone using witter by any chance? | 23:54 |
| xorAxAx | as a anti-depressant :) | 23:54 |
| xorAxAx | evo: isnt mauku better? | 23:54 |
| RevdKathy | Yes, I have witter, evo | 23:54 |
| RevdKathy | mauku is faster, witter is more feature-rich | 23:55 |
| xorAxAx | ok | 23:55 |
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| evo | xorAxAx: I used mauku since today but I needed something more powerful | 23:55 |
| RevdKathy | No - choc needs to be strong for anti-depressant qualities. Mind, gin has no anti-depressant qualities | 23:55 |
| VINCENT__ | SpeedEvil these are the interface sounds i'm looking for the ringtones they aren't in there | 23:55 |
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| RevdKathy | evo - witter is clunkier - slower and lesssmooth. But you get @replies, DMs and searches | 23:56 |
| RevdKathy | I keep both for different moments | 23:56 |
| xorAxAx | RevdKathy: your gallery is in upgrading mode | 23:57 |
| evo | mauku has a nasty bug, I switched because of that: you can't keep your tweets private | 23:57 |
| RevdKathy | really? I upgraded a few days back! | 23:57 |
| * lcuk waves @ kathy | 23:57 | |
| SpeedEvil | VINCENT__: oh - I saw message sounds - the new SMS sound certainly is - so assumed the rest were there | 23:57 |
| tekonivel | Gravity on m900 perhaps someday? | 23:58 |
| SpeedEvil | VINCENT__: find a name of a ringtone - then find / -name "*ringtonename*" | 23:58 |
| tekonivel | that's a good twitter-client | 23:58 |
| evo | RevdKathy: when you highlight a tweet containing an URL there's a popup menu with "URL actions", right? | 23:58 |
| whore|book | tekonivel, graviti? | 23:58 |
| VINCENT__ | i'm excualy looking where the files are stored that you copy from your pc to the device | 23:58 |
| tekonivel | it really should also have a desktop widget | 23:58 |
| VINCENT__ | thanks i try that | 23:58 |
| pupnik_ | nice rant on Vodaphone RevdKathy | 23:58 |
| tekonivel | whore|book: "Gravity", a really great twitter client for s60 | 23:58 |
| pupnik_ | wish Rolling Stone or Salon.com would publish a version of it | 23:59 |
| whore|book | ohhhh | 23:59 |
| evo | RevdKathy: actually I can't navigate into it the first time I open the popup menu, but I have to close it and reopen ... it happens to you, too? | 23:59 |
| tekonivel | whore|book: it is quite popular indeed | 23:59 |
| tekonivel | whore|book: it | 23:59 |
| whore|book | i didnt use twitter | 23:59 |
| tekonivel | whore|book: it's payware thought, but worth the 8€ | 23:59 |
| pupnik_ | twitter is aptly named | 23:59 |
| xorAxAx | sigh, the n900 is slow on emmc IO | 23:59 |
| VINCENT__ | oke it's in /home/user/MyDocs/.sound/ | 23:59 |
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