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| xorAxAx | certainly, /usr is overrated. i wonder why it works nevertheless | 00:00 |
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| xorAxAx | ah, no, /usr is there | 00:01 |
| mtd | anyone with an n900 used apt-get dist-upgrade and have the new Application Manager but still have Settings > General > About Product reporting version 1.2009.42-11 ? | 00:01 |
| xorAxAx | but my vim is gone | 00:01 |
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| woglinde | mtd read the maemo-dev list | 00:01 |
| woglinde | was discussed there | 00:01 |
| xorAxAx | so /home is missing | 00:01 |
| woglinde | you need maemo-blalfoof-osso-pr package | 00:01 |
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| xorAxAx | ok, i think i know where i fubared it | 00:02 |
| mtd | woglinde: thanks | 00:03 |
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| Stskeeps | oh dear, vodafone firmware disallows access to extras/extras-devel? :P | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | ohrly? | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can you flash regular firmware? | 00:05 |
| wazd | nowai :D | 00:05 |
| Stskeeps | seemingily | 00:05 |
| xorAxAx | ruskie!!1111 | 00:06 |
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| xorAxAx | ruskie: may it be the case that you forget to mount /home? | 00:06 |
| wazd | how did they do that? :) | 00:06 |
| xorAxAx | or is that done by default code? | 00:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, source? | 00:06 |
| frals | Stskeeps: any link? | 00:06 |
| dymaxion | ....interesting.... runnign apt-get upgrade shows 16 packages to be updated requiring 53.4 Mb of data, and then bombs out... not enough disk space in /var/cache/apt/archives... HOWEVER when I use the application manager and click [update] is shows that nothing is avaailable for update... odd | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: well, this is going to sound stupid, but a talk post | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | so the source may not be reliable. | 00:07 |
| Stskeeps | but they're also not getting PR1.0.1 it seems on variant 205 | 00:07 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: "Fraps or never happened" :) | 00:07 |
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| w00t | Stskeeps: christ. | 00:07 |
| gevaerts | dymaxion: the application manager gives an alternate archive location to apt-get | 00:07 |
| Stskeeps | some also claims it disables VoIP and such | 00:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, link? | 00:07 |
| xorAxAx | yippee, runs again, timeless_mbp | 00:07 |
| Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40296 is an interesting read | 00:07 |
| xorAxAx | curious what the problem was? :) | 00:08 |
| dymaxion | gevaerts, so are there really 16 packages ready for upgrade? or is it that the local /var/cache is out of date do you think? | 00:08 |
| wazd | what's the point of selling n900 and limiting it as freaking s40 device? :) | 00:08 |
| wazd | or even s30 :P | 00:08 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: so vodafone executives can snort more cocaine | 00:08 |
| gevaerts | dymaxion: the contents of /var/cache shouldn't matter there | 00:09 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: ah, that makes sense :) | 00:09 |
| dymaxion | so still the app manager is misreporting ... there should be 16 packages for upgrade... sigh... | 00:09 |
| Stskeeps | at least n900 is rebrandable :P | 00:09 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: even threw kathy into a fit, http://revdkathy.livejournal.com/59943.html | 00:09 |
| dymaxion | thanks gevaerts .... off home.. i'll sort it when I'm back.. . goodnight all | 00:10 |
| Tester | Stskeeps: whats variant 205 ? | 00:10 |
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| Stskeeps | Tester: vodafone UK variant i think | 00:10 |
| wazd | "Over 500 new icons"... damn, how do they do that :( | 00:11 |
| Tester | right | 00:11 |
| andre__ | yes, 205 = UK | 00:11 |
| frals | wow, that vodafone stuff... speechless | 00:12 |
| Tester | I though 203 was plain UK | 00:12 |
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| andre__ | Tester, vodafone probably isn't plain enough | 00:12 |
| Tester | right | 00:12 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Hahahaha two men arrested for unsuccessfully driving a car down a frozen canal! | 00:13 |
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| Caesium | saw that on the news, I don't get what they were arrested for? stupidity? :D | 00:14 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Apparently so... stupidity should be a crime and it wastes so much time | 00:14 |
| frals | anyone heard of a way to make the n900 connect to only one of the defined GPRS IAPs? ie, set it to autoconnect to anything but only use one of the GPRS IAPs? | 00:15 |
| Stskeeps | either way, hey, good we can flash the darn things to freedom lovin' maemo versions | 00:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:15 |
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| * Gadgetoid_mbp is still trying to 3 star level 21 | 00:22 | |
| yuizy | :D | 00:23 |
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| mtnbkr | Gadgetoid_mbp: heh I can't seem to get past level 10 | 00:25 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | mtnbkr: you'll fluke your way through eventually :D | 00:25 |
| mtnbkr | Gadgetoid_mbp: heh | 00:25 |
| mtnbkr | cute game actually | 00:26 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Tap again to explode the birds, by the way | 00:26 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | A | 00:26 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | n | 00:26 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | d | 00:26 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | 00:26 | |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | 00:26 | |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | DOH! | 00:26 |
| SpeedEvil | 10 is a bit of a bitch | 00:26 |
| mtnbkr | kinda looks feels and sound a LOT like Worms | 00:26 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | And do it again at the last minute for the best penetrative power | 00:26 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | concentrates the birds on one small target | 00:26 |
| * MaemohammadAG needs the level packs asap! | 00:26 | |
| * SpeedEvil too. | 00:26 | |
| pupnik | that company has some great talent | 00:26 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | iPhone version has over 60 levels | 00:26 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Not sure what the level pack gives on the N900, but I guess it's the same? | 00:27 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | All 3 worls | 00:27 |
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| MaemohammadAG | i think the level packs were online for some time | 00:27 |
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| gevaerts | the level pack gives you worlds 2 and 3, so you get 63 levels in total | 00:27 |
| MaemohammadAG | but nokia pulled down all paid stuff cause it was installable using apt-get | 00:27 |
| mtnbkr | Gadgetoid_mbp: oh cool... scroll up/down on screen zooms scene in/out | 00:28 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | mtnbkr: ironically that feels so much smoother than the iPhone's overrated pinch zooming | 00:28 |
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| mtnbkr | Gadgetoid_mbp: I can't seem to "tap to make the bird explode" they seem to 'splode when they are "done" (ie: when they decide) lol | 00:29 |
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| MaemohammadAG | lol just noticed i can zoom out | 00:29 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | mtnbkr: you can only do that whilst they are in flight | 00:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Can you shuffle bird order? | 00:29 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | It's like a cluster bomb | 00:30 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | SpeedEvil: I don't think so | 00:30 |
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| mtnbkr | Gadgetoid_mbp: AH! cool! | 00:30 |
| MaemohammadAG | Gadgetoid_mbp, i can doing w/o launching them | 00:30 |
| mtnbkr | THAT will help with level 10 heh | 00:30 |
| MaemohammadAG | oh nvm | 00:30 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Aye mtnbkr, explode them as close to the structure as possible for epic win | 00:31 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | MAXIMUM DAMAGE!!! | 00:31 |
| SpeedEvil | well - it depends - a more spread out can give more destruction on light structures | 00:31 |
| pronto | lol maemo browswer gets a 94/100 on the acid3 test, thats really good | 00:31 |
| xorAxAx | why dont i have bounce evolution installed? | 00:32 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Yeah because acid3 is absolutely the measure for real world performance :D | 00:32 |
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| * slonopotamus solved all angry birds levels :( | 00:32 | |
| pronto | just neat | 00:32 |
| lupine_85 | conformance is everything | 00:32 |
| SpeedEvil | slonopotamus: with three stars? | 00:33 |
| * mtnbkr is waiting for IE8 on maemo | 00:33 | |
| mtnbkr | lol | 00:33 |
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| lupine_85 | :S | 00:33 |
| slonopotamus | SpeedEvil, not yet :) | 00:33 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Damn, my batery ran out | 00:33 |
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| pronto | mtnbkr: wait for winehq first lol | 00:33 |
| pronto | thats a scary thought | 00:33 |
| chem|st | re | 00:33 |
| mtnbkr | Gadgetoid_mbp: cleared 10 with only 1 star though | 00:33 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | At least this game is giving me full loadcycles on my battery | 00:34 |
| pillar | 2 stars for me on level 10, yea :) | 00:34 |
| MaemohammadAG | 3 here :p | 00:34 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I've got 3 on everything but level 21, it's driving me nuts | 00:35 |
| pillar | whoa up/down zoom is very smooth | 00:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't believe Nokia thought that hidding packages from h-a-m was a good way to enforce payment. | 00:35 |
| mtnbkr | pillar: yep and pretty cool too... | 00:35 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | That's 1-20, as I haven't got the pack | 00:35 |
| fnordianslip | am i right in thinking that users with Windows PCs get prompted to reflash their device by some Nokia utility and may end up doing that instead of of installing updates with HAM? | 00:35 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | GeneralAntilles: hahahahaha *facepalm* | 00:35 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Security through obscurity, they call it | 00:36 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I think they should have left it that way and got a measure for how many people pay up | 00:36 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i remember thinking to myself hearing about it "hmm, they couldn't have been this stupid" | 00:36 |
| fnordianslip | funny though :) | 00:36 |
| slonopotamus | fnordianslip, looks like that. and they download ~160 megs, no? | 00:37 |
| xorAxAx | ruskie: does SSU still work with your modest package installed? | 00:37 |
| fnordianslip | slonopotamus: somethings not right there then either, is it? | 00:37 |
| slonopotamus | fnordianslip, it's nokia... | 00:38 |
| slonopotamus | :P | 00:38 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: whoever came up with the idea to put all ovi apps (including paid) should be hit hard with a cluebat though | 00:38 |
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| pillar | level 15 seems hard for me | 00:38 |
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| slonopotamus | pillar, you should say 1-15 (or 2-15 or 3-15). otherwise you're ambigious. | 00:38 |
| fnordianslip | the pig in the helmet on level 21 is a git | 00:38 |
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| pillar | slonopotamus oh true, meant 1-15 | 00:39 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | fnordianslip: Haha, no shit :D | 00:39 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | I must be on my 100th try for 3 stars now on 1-21 | 00:39 |
| slonopotamus | pillar, yeah, i passed it with just one star | 00:39 |
| fnordianslip | are there more bird varieties in the other maps? | 00:40 |
| slonopotamus | fnordianslip, black, yellow, red, blue. | 00:41 |
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| fnordianslip | i was too late to go on a apt-get fuelled shop-lifting spree | 00:41 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Ach I wonder if I should just move on to world 2 on ze iPhone, have to re-complete all the levels fro 8 through 21 first though, argh | 00:41 |
| ph1l | jebba, just want to say thanks for your great informations on your wiki! | 00:41 |
| fnordianslip | what do the black birds do? | 00:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Level 8 is evil - It's impossible to 3-star without a horrible fluke | 00:43 |
| SpeedEvil | fnordianslip: you mean the small grey ones? | 00:43 |
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| fnordianslip | i only remember the blue, red and yellow ones | 00:43 |
| SpeedEvil | 21 also | 00:43 |
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| MaemohammadAG | can't 3 star 12 | 00:43 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | My aim is getting disgustingly good | 00:43 |
| slonopotamus | argh... 1-4 with one shot? seems impossible | 00:43 |
| SpeedEvil | 12 is hard. | 00:44 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | slonopotamus: amazing what you can one shot! | 00:44 |
| fnordianslip | i finished it before realising you could zoom in/out | 00:44 |
| SpeedEvil | slonopotamus: I can't do 3 - done 124 | 00:44 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | redoing 1-9 now | 00:44 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Boo, took all 4 shots | 00:45 |
| slonopotamus | SpeedEvil, 1-3 is easy. just hit big ball. | 00:45 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if you can get a low power shot - on 3 - to bounce off the hill - hit the right-hand side of the tall pillar - and do dominos | 00:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | err - 2 - not 3 | 00:45 |
| slonopotamus | ... | 00:45 |
| slonopotamus | stop that | 00:45 |
| slonopotamus | say full level number | 00:46 |
| SpeedEvil | ooh | 00:46 |
| SpeedEvil | fluky | 00:46 |
| SpeedEvil | first try - and yes - you can | 00:46 |
| slonopotamus | 1-2? | 00:46 |
| SpeedEvil | I only have pack 1 | 00:46 |
| SpeedEvil | err the defaults | 00:46 |
| MaemohammadAG | Level pack is not available at the moment due to Ovi Store technical problems. Sorry for the inconvenience! | 00:46 |
| slonopotamus | SpeedEvil, so everyone else does :) | 00:47 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Damn, 2-shot 11 this time | 00:47 |
| slonopotamus | SpeedEvil, if you completed all 21, you can choose big 2 button :P | 00:47 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | 1-11 | 00:47 |
| SpeedEvil | big 2? | 00:48 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 00:48 |
| slonopotamus | 1-1 in one shot! | 00:48 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | 2 shot 1-12, boo | 00:48 |
| slonopotamus | 1-11 | 00:48 |
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| slonopotamus | SpeedEvil, level selection screen, top buttons. | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil | slonopotamus: just says '1' here | 00:49 |
| slonopotamus | SpeedEvil, and two other? | 00:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | slonopotamus: I see no 2 at all | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | slonopotamus: clicking on the 1 does nothing | 00:50 |
| slonopotamus | SpeedEvil, apt-get install angrybirds-levelpack1 | 00:50 |
| slonopotamus | :P | 00:50 |
| MaemohammadAG | black birds explode | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | slonopotamus: that hole was fixed | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | slonopotamus: you can't do that | 00:51 |
| slonopotamus | err... | 00:51 |
| slonopotamus | i did that | 00:51 |
| slonopotamus | sorry | 00:51 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Gah, 1-14... replaying them isn't as fun | 00:51 |
| MaemohammadAG | slonopotamus, did you reboot or do an apt-get clean? | 00:51 |
| SpeedEvil | I was meaning - you can't do it technically - nor manually | 00:52 |
| MaemohammadAG | after doing it | 00:52 |
| SpeedEvil | err - morally | 00:52 |
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| slonopotamus | i have deb in /var/cache/apt/archives/ | 00:53 |
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| * gevaerts can | 00:54 | |
| lardman|home | back to questions about plotting graphs in Python, what's currently available other than DIY like lybniz? | 00:54 |
| gevaerts | t figure out how to do 1-3 for 3 stars | 00:54 |
| gevaerts | no, 1-5 | 00:54 |
| SpeedEvil | 5 I've only gotten 2 on. | 00:54 |
| SpeedEvil | I think you have to fluke it | 00:55 |
| MaemohammadAG | slonopotamus, really? | 00:55 |
| SpeedEvil | The rock will almost fall right sometimes if you cmash the top level | 00:55 |
| angasule | I can confirm that the advanced power statusbar applet leaks like a drunk elephant | 00:55 |
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| slonopotamus | MaemohammadAG, yep :/ | 00:56 |
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| MaemohammadAG | can i have it :p | 00:57 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Woo, back on 1-21 now, whee | 00:57 |
| MaemohammadAG | would it be considered piracy btw? | 00:57 |
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| MaemohammadAG | cause i'm not a big fan of it | 00:57 |
| ds3 | wouldn't gnuplot be a better graphing tool then python? | 00:58 |
| slonopotamus | who knows... | 00:58 |
| lardman|home | ds3: I would like interactive graphs | 00:59 |
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| lardman|home | ds3: matplotlib would be ideal, but I had a look at compiling it and it has lots of deps that are not met | 00:59 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Yay 2-x now | 01:00 |
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| chem|st | lardman|home: what do you mean with interactive? | 01:04 |
| lardman|home | well I'd like to at least be able to embed it as a widget and have buttons, etc. on the side | 01:05 |
| chem|st | that sounds like my script-widget idea | 01:05 |
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| lardman|home | I didn't have the will power to sort out the Octave debianisation stuff, otherwise I would have just settled for that | 01:05 |
| lardman|home | chem|st: what's your idea then? | 01:06 |
| chem|st | I setup a brainstorm for creating a widget-creating program for scripting | 01:06 |
| lardman|home | hmm | 01:06 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Ooooh, 2-1... a challenge, ish... wubb! | 01:06 |
| chem|st | where you can have input at the widget for the script | 01:07 |
| lardman|home | no, I just want a graph widget, nothing more | 01:07 |
| chem|st | thats the idea friend | 01:07 |
| lardman|home | widget creating program for scripting? | 01:07 |
| chem|st | you have a script-widget showing gnuplots output and updating it in userset delay | 01:07 |
| lardman|home | oh I see, use gnuplot | 01:08 |
| gevaerts | 3 stars on 1-5 \☺/ | 01:08 |
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| chem|st | well you may use anything you can grab the output from | 01:09 |
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| Anon220 | hey | 01:09 |
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| Anon220 | whats this | 01:09 |
| chem|st | Anon220: ? | 01:09 |
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| pupnik | Jeffrey Tucker's 4 year old asked him "Do you remember what it was like before the internet?" | 01:09 |
| pupnik | "How did you FIND OUT stuff??" | 01:09 |
| lardman|home | chem|st: sounds interesting, but I'd just like something that works and is easy tbh | 01:10 |
| Anon220 | what is this room about | 01:10 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Anon220: sex | 01:10 |
| chem|st | there is nothing easier than gnuplot I know... | 01:10 |
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| Anon220 | ok | 01:10 |
| pupnik | world domination now | 01:10 |
| lardman|home | chem|st: thro Python though | 01:10 |
| chem|st | Gadgetoid_mbp: if you count fisting... yes sex | 01:10 |
| * gevaerts doesn't see a room | 01:11 | |
| Anon220 | so does anybody know some techniques | 01:11 |
| chem|st | Anon220: I know Shaolin Kung-Fu! | 01:11 |
| Anon220 | no you don't | 01:11 |
| chem|st | you would believe me if I didnt miss Jedi class... damn | 01:12 |
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| chem|st | Anon220: welcome! this is the primary maemo.org IRC channel how may I assist? | 01:12 |
| Anon220 | i'm talking about sex whats the deal | 01:12 |
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| Anon220 | technique wise give me some tips | 01:13 |
| chem|st | lardman|home: well gnuplot is there the python code needs to be called! | 01:13 |
| slonopotamus | -_o | 01:13 |
| lardman|home | chem|st: but it;s not integrated then! :) | 01:13 |
| ds3 | lardman|home: what about a mini webserver serving up stuff to do graphing in javascript? | 01:13 |
| Anon220 | once done pumping rub your helmet on the slice and it will splice | 01:13 |
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| chem|st | Anon220: try upside down with an arm or leg in your partners ass | 01:14 |
| lardman|home | ds3: in a word, no. | 01:14 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Anon220: Well, you part their buttons, gently insert your tongue, reach around with your hands, tickle the balls with one... | 01:14 |
| ds3 | =) | 01:14 |
| chem|st | XP | 01:14 |
| lardman|home | I just need to display some data, not too bothered about how, but I'd prefer to get that written quickly and easily | 01:14 |
| chem|st | its getting disgusting | 01:14 |
| Anon220 | sounds like you know what your on about | 01:14 |
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| svanheulen | ... did i come in at a bad time >.> | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: hack: gnuplot -> gif ->display gif | 01:14 |
| lardman|home | I was hoping I'd find some graphing class floating around that wouldn't need me to compile stuff | 01:14 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Well chem|st, Someone popped a chubby reading that | 01:14 |
| lardman|home | SpeedEvil: Nooooooo! Been there, done that, painful | 01:15 |
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| chem|st | lardman|home: fisting or gif? | 01:15 |
| mrmg_ | cool, a friend just told me about MADDE, looks good. | 01:15 |
| lardman|home | chem|st: both | 01:15 |
| chem|st | ;) | 01:15 |
| Anon220 | pretty shit | 01:16 |
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| lardman|home | chem|st: the no that was, just the latter for the having tried it | 01:16 |
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| svanheulen | anyone know if xterm on the n900 supports unicode? in emacs unicode characters look like ??, not sure if it's a problem with xterm or emacs | 01:16 |
| chem|st | dont think you need to compile gnuplot... just install the arm package | 01:16 |
| lardman|home | I know, I compiled it in the first place iirc | 01:16 |
| Anon220 | have you seen the new graphing code for outbound enax servers | 01:16 |
| lardman|home | but I don't really want to have to use it | 01:17 |
| chem|st | svanheulen: dont know I want urxvt! and urxvtd! | 01:17 |
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| Anon220 | same isn't urc connected with multiple origin connectors in denmark | 01:17 |
| chem|st | svanheulen: copy some umlauts from a UTF-8 encoded homepage to it | 01:18 |
| svanheulen | chem|st: othen then this i really like the built in xterm | 01:18 |
| Jef91 | hey all - are there any special settings I need to change to my make N900 connect to tomobile 3g? (in the usa) | 01:18 |
| lardman|home | ah, balls, guess I'll just have to pull my finger out and compile Octave, bbiam after I boot to Linux | 01:18 |
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| Anon220 | same fuckin aye xterms nt connectors | 01:18 |
| svanheulen | chem|st: good idea, i'll try that | 01:18 |
| Anon220 | and shit | 01:18 |
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| villager | gevaerts: I 3-stared 1-5 by smashing all the ice at the top with my bird, that will destabilize the big rock and fall down on every single pig below it | 01:19 |
| chem|st | svanheulen: you save battery with using a daemon for urxvt as future urxvts dont open a new process | 01:19 |
| svanheulen | Jef91: i changed my gprs settings to use epc.tmobile.com, but i don't know if thats required | 01:19 |
| Anon220 | it is | 01:19 |
| Anon220 | be careful though | 01:19 |
| svanheulen | chem|st: oh, true, didn't think of that | 01:19 |
| gevaerts | villager: I finally did it by smashing a bit of wood. It's all about destabilising things and getting lucky I guess | 01:19 |
| chem|st | svanheulen: I was doing a lot on performance with my netbook, and with 8 urxvts open it saves at least 10minutes | 01:20 |
| MaemohammadAG | gevaerts, and knowing the laws of physics :p | 01:20 |
| chem|st | obey gravity! | 01:20 |
| svanheulen | chem|st: wow, nice | 01:20 |
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| lardman|home | re | 01:21 |
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| chem|st | svanheulen: lately I managed to watch 2 movies and an episode of HIMYM and had +1 hour battery left! | 01:22 |
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| chem|st | caching everything to ram is the major key idea | 01:22 |
| Jef91 | svanheulen how do I do that? | 01:25 |
| svanheulen | Jef91: settings > internet connections > connections > edit | 01:25 |
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| svanheulen | Jef91: it's the "Access point name" setting | 01:27 |
| Talus46_n810 | greetings | 01:27 |
| svanheulen | hi | 01:27 |
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| Talus46_n810 | does anyone know why the last update to diablo makes the n810 loose the date? | 01:28 |
| Jef91 | thanks svanheulen trying that now | 01:29 |
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| pupnik | LOSE | 01:35 |
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| svanheulen | Jef91: also you should check that "Network mode" is set to "Dual" in settings > phone | 01:39 |
| MaemohammadAG | any way to make xchat blink the LED when a PM arrives? | 01:41 |
| lardman|home | hmm, well that's a start I guess, configure is running ok ;) | 01:41 |
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| gevaerts | 3 stars on world 1 \☺/ | 01:43 |
| slonopotamus | gevaerts, cheater! | 01:43 |
| user__ | hey all | 01:43 |
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| * lardman|home ponders the output of Octave build and why it says f77.... | 01:43 | |
| pillar | hmm is there already a desktop widget to connect/disconnect gprs/wlan connection? three-presses and the waiting is too much for such a lazy person as me :) | 01:43 |
| slonopotamus | Jef91, we're all busy playing angry birds. come back in a couple of days. | 01:43 |
| Jeff91 | so my phone says it connects to tmobile 3g | 01:44 |
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| Jeff91 | but it won't actually load any content | 01:44 |
| Jeff91 | suggestions? | 01:44 |
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| MaemohammadAG | dns? | 01:44 |
| pillar | just play angry birds :)( | 01:44 |
| ml-N900 | can't wait until they resolve these watchdog reboots | 01:44 |
| MaemohammadAG | ml-N900, you tried the fix? | 01:45 |
| shinkamui | angry birds rocks | 01:45 |
| shinkamui | ml-N900, what watchdog reboots? | 01:45 |
| svanheulen | Jeff91: try pinging a website or ip | 01:45 |
| ml-N900 | enable_off_mode? yes, it resolved the majority | 01:45 |
| Jeff91 | just "ping www.google.com" in terminal right? | 01:45 |
| svanheulen | yeah | 01:46 |
| Jeff91 | kk brb again | 01:46 |
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| ml-N900 | now I get occasional reboots when I think it would otherwise blank the screen | 01:46 |
| shinkamui | oh wow ok | 01:46 |
| shinkamui | I've had 2 unexpected reboots so far | 01:46 |
| MaemohammadAG | nothing here | 01:46 |
| shinkamui | I was trying to figure out what other people had been writing about in tthe forums to try and avoid it | 01:46 |
| shinkamui | 2 in 3 weeks I think is ok | 01:46 |
| svanheulen | that's silly... you need to be root to use ping | 01:47 |
| shinkamui | what | 01:47 |
| shinkamui | since when | 01:47 |
| svanheulen | on the n900 | 01:47 |
| shinkamui | haha, didn't realize that was the case | 01:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | svanheulen, hey-ho, busybox. | 01:47 |
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| Jeff91 | ping does not work | 01:49 |
| Jeff91 | :( | 01:49 |
| * Jeff91 is a sad panda | 01:49 | |
| slonopotamus | wtf? i passed 1-5 in one shot and got only 2 stars :/ | 01:50 |
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| gevaerts | slonopotamus: that only happens if you falsely accuse people of cheating ;) | 01:51 |
| MaemohammadAG | anyone on xchat on the n900 | 01:51 |
| MaemohammadAG | lol | 01:51 |
| svanheulen | Jeff91: try pinging an ip | 01:51 |
| svanheulen | MaemohammadAG: nope, irssi | 01:51 |
| slonopotamus | MaemohammadAG, yep | 01:51 |
| slonopotamus | gevaerts, :P | 01:51 |
| * MaemohammadAG was accused of cheating during his GCE exam | 01:52 | |
| MaemohammadAG | slonopotamus, can you input the symbol for indices? | 01:52 |
| Jeff91 | svanheulen I'll give that a try - but how is that different from a web adress? | 01:52 |
| MaemohammadAG | the arrow pointing upwards in sym | 01:52 |
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| slonopotamus | hehe | 01:52 |
| slonopotamus | nope | 01:52 |
| MaemohammadAG | Jeff91, for some reason only google pings | 01:53 |
| slonopotamus | it isn't on symbols screen | 01:53 |
| MaemohammadAG | pongs* | 01:53 |
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| Jeff91 | brb | 01:53 |
| kevloral | Hi all | 01:53 |
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| MaemohammadAG | slonopotamus, it is | 01:53 |
| slonopotamus | MaemohammadAG, neither is backtick | 01:53 |
| MaemohammadAG | try the upside down ? | 01:53 |
| slonopotamus | uh? | 01:53 |
| MaemohammadAG | ¿ actually nvm that worked | 01:54 |
| svanheulen | Jeff91: doesn't have to do a dns lookup | 01:54 |
| MaemohammadAG | but the index sign doesn't work | 01:54 |
| slonopotamus | MaemohammadAG, how you did that? | 01:54 |
| MaemohammadAG | blue arrow + ctrl | 01:54 |
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| slonopotamus | meh... it broke | 01:55 |
| MaemohammadAG | but the third row isn't working | 01:55 |
| slonopotamus | brb | 01:55 |
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| MaemohammadAG | lol | 01:55 |
| svanheulen | oh is it just me or can you not type a tilde in xterm on the n900? | 01:55 |
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| MaemohammadAG | tilde? | 01:55 |
| svanheulen | the thing above the tab on a normal keyboard | 01:56 |
| gevaerts | ~ | 01:56 |
| svanheulen | that | 01:56 |
| MaemohammadAG | svanheulen, same as in xchat | 01:57 |
| pupnik | svanheulen: the n900 has different layouts in different countries | 01:57 |
| MaemohammadAG | the whole 3rd row doesn't work | 01:57 |
| slonopotamus | gimme my backtick! | 01:57 |
| MaemohammadAG | pupnik, it shouldn't be the cause | 01:57 |
| MaemohammadAG | it's not accepting the press | 01:58 |
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| kevloral | svanheulen: you can, at least with the spanish keyboard. | 01:58 |
| pupnik | it should, because different countries need different symbols | 01:58 |
| svanheulen | MaemohammadAG: oh shit, you're right | 01:58 |
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| slonopotamus | =~\½²³Nº third row. | 01:59 |
| svanheulen | pupnik: it shouln't because we're talking about the sym menu | 01:59 |
| MaemohammadAG | svanheulen, that's what i was asking slonopotamus about | 01:59 |
| MaemohammadAG | slonopotamus, how'd you do that? | 01:59 |
| pupnik | sorry :) | 01:59 |
| MaemohammadAG | slonopotamus, that's not my 3rd row | 01:59 |
| slonopotamus | ² and ³ are absolutely useless. give me backtick and < looking up instead. | 02:00 |
| slonopotamus | actually ѓ is useless too :) | 02:00 |
| slonopotamus | whatever it is | 02:00 |
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| svanheulen | slonopotamus: caret | 02:00 |
| slonopotamus | svanheulen, still useless :P | 02:01 |
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| svanheulen | slonopotamus: no i mean the < looking up is called a caret | 02:01 |
| slonopotamus | oh, k. | 02:01 |
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| slonopotamus | i don't have it :( | 02:01 |
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| svanheulen | it's in my sym menu but it won't let me type it lol | 02:02 |
| slonopotamus | will exchange it for є and ї | 02:02 |
| MaemohammadAG | svanheulen, do you have ukeyboard installed? | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd love printable keymats somehow. | 02:02 |
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| slonopotamus | SpeedEvil, printable what? | 02:03 |
| svanheulen | MaemohammadAG: nope | 02:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | You design your keymat - send your n900 off (insured) and back comes a n900 with your keymat and all nice and backlit. | 02:03 |
| SpeedEvil | the keymat is the bits of the keys you touch | 02:03 |
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| svanheulen | i really wish <, >, { and } were on the hw keyboard | 02:04 |
| MaemohammadAG | same | 02:04 |
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| MaemohammadAG | i don't need the € and & | 02:04 |
| slonopotamus | svanheulen, well, you have € instead :) | 02:04 |
| MaemohammadAG | or the £ | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | And who uses q? | 02:04 |
| MaemohammadAG | seriously, it's a us device? | 02:04 |
| MaemohammadAG | !* | 02:04 |
| slonopotamus | SpeedEvil, quitters! | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | queers | 02:05 |
| MaemohammadAG | lol | 02:05 |
| MaemohammadAG | who uses the whole keyboard? :p | 02:05 |
| svanheulen | slonopotamus: true, and i use that all the time in the states.... | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | The engb keyboard isn't bad | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | is that the same as the US one | 02:05 |
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| Untouchab1e | Hi all | 02:06 |
| MaemohammadAG | i don't want the £€ signs | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | does the US one have poind sign? | 02:06 |
| Untouchab1e | Someone in here that could help me out a bit? | 02:06 |
| MaemohammadAG | SpeedEvil, yes | 02:06 |
| MaemohammadAG | that's what annoys me lol | 02:06 |
| svanheulen | MaemohammadAG: i use the whole keyboard when i smash my face on it | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean the US currency - not the octothorpe. (#) | 02:06 |
| slonopotamus | ooh! i have ¥ on symbols tab. | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | UK currency | 02:06 |
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| MaemohammadAG | svanheulen, that's using your head! | 02:06 |
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| MaemohammadAG | SpeedEvil, us device here and £$€ | 02:07 |
| Untouchab1e | I am finally setting up my development environment, but I find it slightly more confusing than Android (Eclipse + SDK) or WinMo (Visual Studio).. Probably because unlike those two, I can pretty much choose whatever I want.. | 02:07 |
| MaemohammadAG | from left to right | 02:07 |
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| Untouchab1e | however, I have the SDK installed, and qt installed.. but a bit unsure where to go from there.. I looked at qt designer, but it seems it could only design UI? | 02:07 |
| svanheulen | Untouchab1e: omg, the maemo sdk is painful... i've spent the last couple days trying to figure it out | 02:07 |
| * slonopotamus fails to take a photo of his n900 kb with n900 camera. | 02:07 | |
| Untouchab1e | svanheulen: hah | 02:07 |
| Untouchab1e | installing the SDK wasnt too much of a hazzle | 02:08 |
| Untouchab1e | but what to do now has got me stuck for quite some time | 02:08 |
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| svanheulen | exactly | 02:08 |
| Untouchab1e | Guess you dont have a good answer? :) | 02:09 |
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| svanheulen | sorry, nope :( | 02:09 |
| MaemohammadAG | http://i46.tinypic.com/30ie1ph.jpg my 3rd row | 02:09 |
| Untouchab1e | :( | 02:09 |
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| slonopotamus | oooh | 02:09 |
| slonopotamus | backtick and < turned up | 02:10 |
| slonopotamus | MaemohammadAG, gimme them! | 02:10 |
| MaemohammadAG | slonopotamus, they don't work! | 02:11 |
| cb22 | hmm remapping £ € to | and ` could be quite useful | 02:11 |
| MaemohammadAG | in xchat at least | 02:11 |
| shinkamui | untouchable | 02:11 |
| shinkamui | sex with animals | 02:11 |
| shinkamui | once you have the SDK installed | 02:11 |
| Untouchab1e | shinkamui: uhm.. | 02:11 |
| shinkamui | you might start by getting the source from an already built app to look at | 02:11 |
| Untouchab1e | lol? | 02:11 |
| shinkamui | something you're insterested int | 02:12 |
| shinkamui | in | 02:12 |
| Untouchab1e | the coding itself is not what I am struggling with.. its more like what tools to use and such.. | 02:12 |
| shinkamui | that will at least let you see how to build | 02:12 |
| shinkamui | thats why I said that | 02:12 |
| Untouchab1e | I have qt installed, and I have made a simple hello world app | 02:12 |
| shinkamui | familiar with debian? | 02:12 |
| MaemohammadAG | <shinkamui> sex with animals wtf lol | 02:12 |
| Untouchab1e | yes, I have used debian and ubuntu for quite some time | 02:12 |
| shinkamui | MaemohammadAG, sorry, Aquateen hunger force reference | 02:12 |
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| svanheulen | Untouchab1e: have to gotten into scratchbox? | 02:13 |
| Untouchab1e | yes | 02:13 |
| MaemohammadAG | oh lol | 02:13 |
| Untouchab1e | but I am looking for something equivalent to Eclipse or Visual Studio, where you have UI designer and project solution in one | 02:13 |
| shinkamui | Untouchab1e, suite, then log into the scratchbox and apt-get the source of something you want to look at | 02:13 |
| Untouchab1e | if that made sense | 02:13 |
| shinkamui | ha ha | 02:13 |
| shinkamui | no | 02:13 |
| shinkamui | no IDE | 02:13 |
| Untouchab1e | >.< | 02:13 |
| shinkamui | but there is an eclipse plugin | 02:13 |
| shinkamui | that supposedly works with the scratchbox | 02:13 |
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| shinkamui | easy enough to use vim and autoconf | 02:14 |
| MaemohammadAG | shinkamui, Qt Designer should work | 02:14 |
| * lardman|home regrets starting an Octave build so close to bedtime | 02:14 | |
| shinkamui | yea, I read that too, however I don't know QT, I just started learning it on the suggestion of some other denizens here | 02:14 |
| MaemohammadAG | shinkamui, what langs do you know? | 02:15 |
| Untouchab1e | Yeah, i get the point with Qt Designer.. just cant seem to find any real good "getting started" guides to show me how to actually implement the UI I design and how to connect it to the app | 02:15 |
| MaemohammadAG | Untouchab1e, there's a guide on forum.nokia.com | 02:15 |
| MaemohammadAG | i don't have the direct link atm though | 02:15 |
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| shinkamui | MaemohammadAG, basic, pascal, c++, java, php, obj-c | 02:16 |
| MohammadAG | and what's the easiest to learn from scratch? | 02:17 |
| shinkamui | objective-c is mostly inherited knowledge with some language specifics learned, but Im in no way versed in that, just dabbled | 02:17 |
| MohammadAG | for apps of course | 02:17 |
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| shinkamui | asking me? of those langauges? | 02:17 |
| Untouchab1e | I am comfortable with java, .NET (all of them, really), C, C++ | 02:17 |
| Untouchab1e | and php ofc | 02:17 |
| shinkamui | I'd definately say java is the easiest | 02:18 |
| MohammadAG | i know some python (mostly pys60) and I've read 50 pages of a c++ book | 02:18 |
| Untouchab1e | yeah, java is a great language to start with | 02:18 |
| svanheulen | python | 02:18 |
| shinkamui | of course they are all pretty closely related | 02:18 |
| MohammadAG | but i just can't choose a lang to stay on | 02:18 |
| shinkamui | so you learn one the others are easy to pick up | 02:18 |
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| shinkamui | C++ has been my mainstay | 02:18 |
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| Untouchab1e | I am almost deciding to learn python though | 02:18 |
| shinkamui | no matter what I do, I always coming crawling back inbetwix her busom | 02:18 |
| MohammadAG | svanheulen, you know python? | 02:18 |
| shinkamui | Untouchab1e, me too, I really want to learn python | 02:19 |
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| svanheulen | MohammadAG: yes, it's my favorite language | 02:19 |
| shinkamui | I know perl pretty well, but I hear python is the swiss army knife scripting languages | 02:19 |
| MohammadAG | sadly i don't have the time, school and stuff | 02:19 |
| MohammadAG | (school not uni) | 02:19 |
| lardman|home | I'd say just start a project and you'll learn it as you go along | 02:19 |
| lardman|home | is pretty easy really | 02:19 |
| MohammadAG | well i did that with pys60 | 02:20 |
| svanheulen | python is pretty easy to pick up | 02:20 |
| shinkamui | thats how I learned pascal started learning objective C and now QT | 02:20 |
| MohammadAG | i just don't know basic python | 02:20 |
| svanheulen | there's a nice tutorial on the main page | 02:20 |
| Shapeshifter | what was the name of that bluetooth sorta-replacement that nokia bought a while ago? the one with the butterfly | 02:20 |
| shinkamui | blueterfly | 02:20 |
| lardman|home | MohammadAG: look at some existing code | 02:20 |
| shinkamui | :-D | 02:20 |
| Shapeshifter | :P | 02:20 |
| MohammadAG | lardman|home, i have, many times | 02:21 |
| Untouchab1e | back to my original concern though.. what about ESBox? | 02:21 |
| MohammadAG | but it's mostly c++ | 02:21 |
| Untouchab1e | is that any good? | 02:21 |
| MohammadAG | Untouchab1e, it's part of the vmware image | 02:21 |
| Untouchab1e | what vmware image? | 02:21 |
| MohammadAG | the sdk image, the one on tablets-dev | 02:21 |
| lardman|home | MohammadAG: you need a project to force you to get on with it, at least that's what I always use, plus some time & frustration ;) | 02:22 |
| Untouchab1e | oh.. how do I start it? | 02:22 |
| MohammadAG | you need to download it first | 02:22 |
| MohammadAG | well you can install it on your current desktop, i'm not sure of how to do it though | 02:22 |
| MohammadAG | the image is 2 GBs | 02:22 |
| MohammadAG | i'd say look up how to install it | 02:23 |
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| Untouchab1e | but you use Esbox along with Eclipse? | 02:23 |
| MohammadAG | lardman|home, the time bit is what i'm missing | 02:23 |
| lardman|home | MohammadAG: yeah me too atm | 02:23 |
| lardman|home | time/motivation to concentrate in the evening after a long day | 02:24 |
| lardman|home | he says waiting for Octave to finish at nearly half-midnight.... | 02:24 |
| MohammadAG | i've used none, i don't know any programming languages as I was born a bit late lol, only 16 years old haha | 02:24 |
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| MohammadAG | @ Untouchab1e | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | umm... So? | 02:24 |
| lardman|home | well python is pretty easy, and you can code on the go | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | 16 means you've had at least 8 years to learn. | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Can't have spent _all_ that time fapping. | 02:25 |
| lardman|home | only 8!? | 02:25 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, i was into windows then | 02:25 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 02:25 |
| Untouchab1e | Reading up on the installation procedure now.. downloading the full package that includes eclipse, etc | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Can program under windows. | 02:25 |
| MohammadAG | the gui part of it | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Even visual basic. | 02:25 |
| lardman|home | I learned Basic on an IBM XT as a small child | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Has its adherants. | 02:25 |
| lardman|home | using lever arch file manuals | 02:25 |
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| svanheulen | first programming language i learned was on my TI-80 in 6th grade haha | 02:26 |
| SpeedEvil | was doing asm before 16. | 02:26 |
| SpeedEvil | z80++ | 02:26 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, <lardman|home> only 8!? | 02:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm amazed at the number of people who have managed to remove mp-fremantle-generic-pr. | 02:26 |
| lardman|home | me too, on Psion | 02:26 |
| * GeneralAntilles misses o-s-v | 02:26 | |
| pupnik | btw i searched several hours for any b/w lcd displays like the psion 5mx... they seem to be history | 02:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik: they are available - but not so comon in computer devices | 02:27 |
| pupnik | SpeedEvil: only low resolution | 02:27 |
| pupnik | at affordable prices of course | 02:27 |
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| pupnik | idea being having some light small display you could hook up to a tablet for ssh-style work | 02:28 |
| shinkamui | is it just me or is the debian chroot just as slow as the scratchbox when running apps ;) | 02:28 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: well - yes - http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=73-1315-ND | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | AH | 02:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | Large high-res transflective mono displays are going to be hard to find | 02:30 |
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| pupnik | nice find SpeedEvil - that's the ticket. but argh, price. | 02:32 |
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| pupnik | i think it is a real market hole at the moment | 02:33 |
| MohammadAG | load average's high | 02:33 |
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| MohammadAG | averages are* | 02:34 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: It costs not much less to make a colour LCD than a mono one. So mono is a tiny market ATM. | 02:35 |
| pupnik | colour takes electricity. lcd without backlight is sun-readable with almost no power | 02:36 |
| pupnik | it *is* a market hole | 02:36 |
| phr | kindle? | 02:37 |
| shinkamui | dood, I had no idea | 02:37 |
| shinkamui | then why bother making a mono lcd | 02:37 |
| shinkamui | make a color lcd and keep the colors black and white | 02:37 |
| shinkamui | :) | 02:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | shinkamui, not exactly the same. | 02:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | phr, eink != LCD | 02:38 |
| SpeedEvil | It is a market hole - in principle. | 02:38 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: That doesn't mean someone will start to produce a 1280*1024 12" mono LCD. | 02:39 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: when it might take a large slice of a million to setup a production line to do it. | 02:39 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: Say you'll buy a hundred thousand of the above displays, and you could probably get them quite cheap. | 02:39 |
| lardman|home | e-ink is horrid | 02:40 |
| SpeedEvil | e-ink is horrid - for some things. | 02:40 |
| phr | horrid b/c it's slow? | 02:41 |
| lardman|home | yeah, looks nasty | 02:41 |
| lardman|home | but reads ok, afaict with only a short look ;) | 02:41 |
| phr | ic. for static text i think it looks pretty good, but it would be awful as a dynamic display | 02:41 |
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| lardman|home | also on the device I was playing with it seemed to leave shadowing | 02:41 |
| lardman|home | well really those devices will have to become a lot cheaper to make it worth having one | 02:42 |
| lardman|home | especially as all the books are full price | 02:42 |
| pupnik | SpeedEvil: what about this "e-paper" fad. | 02:43 |
| lardman|home | though if I were travelling to the moon and weight and volume were an issue, I guess it might become more reasonable | 02:43 |
| pupnik | maybe it will get faster and become usable for terminals | 02:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik: it's not a fad. It has real advantages over LCD in principle. | 02:44 |
| ds3 | ``in principle'' heh | 02:45 |
| simula_ | the new transparent displays are nifty :) | 02:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Given at least 'dead pixels' and change speed a little better. | 02:45 |
| SpeedEvil | I little problem with the n900 to read stuff on. | 02:46 |
| lardman|home | perhaps make the pages larger too so you don't spend so much time waiting for the transitions to happen | 02:46 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd prefer it if the backlight was smoother, and it responded to taps | 02:46 |
| SpeedEvil | (fbreader) | 02:46 |
| lardman|home | SpeedEvil: too small for my liking | 02:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | but I'm up to about 6 meg or so read on it. | 02:46 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: it depends. | 02:47 |
| MohammadAG | <simula_> the new transparent displays are nifty :) | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: baen.com have books that are moderately cheaper than paper. | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | they don't help with privacy! | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: also - available sooner as pre-prints. | 02:48 |
| simula_ | mohommadag... i want them in my car windshield :) | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | HUD, nice lol | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.webscription.net/ | 02:48 |
| xorAxAx | uhm, the clock in my n900 says 13:48 even though i am in CET | 02:48 |
| lardman|home | SpeedEvil: really, ok I'll take a look | 02:48 |
| xorAxAx | i.e. its 12 hours off | 02:48 |
| xorAxAx | how can i switch the hemisphere, help! :) | 02:49 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: also - DRM free | 02:49 |
| MohammadAG | xorAxAx, check regional settings | 02:49 |
| lardman|home | SpeedEvil: though I tend to buy most of mine 2nd hand for ~£3.50 | 02:49 |
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| MohammadAG | settings > date and time xorAxAx | 02:49 |
| xorAxAx | MohammadAG: is all correct | 02:49 |
| xorAxAx | and the time is set to sync automatically | 02:50 |
| lardman|home | SpeedEvil: ah, sci-fi only | 02:50 |
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| xorAxAx | # date | 02:50 |
| xorAxAx | Wed Jan 13 13:51:16 CET 2010 | 02:50 |
| xorAxAx | its not a tz issue | 02:50 |
| lardman|home | not necessarily a bad thing, but I'm not on a sci-fi kick this month | 02:50 |
| MohammadAG | then change it manually | 02:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | lardman: yeah - pretty much SF/fantasy | 02:50 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: fictionwise.com is an alternative. | 02:51 |
| lardman|home | ok | 02:51 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: and then you have the sites with ten gigabytes of erotica. | 02:51 |
| lardman|home | This build has taken 1h30m or so, I really want to go to bed but daren't kill it just in case it's nearly done | 02:51 |
| lardman|home | SpeedEvil: lol | 02:51 |
| SpeedEvil | If you ever need any Snape/Dumbeldore slash. | 02:51 |
| Proteous | ... | 02:51 |
| DangerMaus-_- | ha | 02:52 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: why not just go to bed? | 02:52 |
| xorAxAx | MohammadAG: lets see if it remains correct | 02:52 |
| lardman|home | bit worried about CPU temp so don't want to leave PC on overnight | 02:52 |
| MohammadAG | xorAxAx, if not maybe your battery's screwed | 02:52 |
| xorAxAx | hermes rocks | 02:52 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: ah | 02:52 |
| xorAxAx | MohammadAG: the -12h battery illness? :) | 02:53 |
| MohammadAG | lol xorAxAx nope, it's -4 here but it keeps the time | 02:53 |
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| phr | archive.org has a bazillion scanned books | 02:54 |
| lardman|home | right, build just failed - curse forgetting to pass -lf2c | 02:54 |
| lardman|home | but at least I can go to bed now! | 02:54 |
| lardman|home | night all :) | 02:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Night! | 02:54 |
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| MohammadAG | nn lardman | 02:54 |
| MohammadAG | late tab fail, oh well | 02:54 |
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| greenfly | I don't know that there are any Nokia salespeople in this channel, mostly developers | 02:57 |
| greenfly | so most people probably won't spend too much effort trying to sell you one | 02:57 |
| phr | so what was so great about canola, and does anyone use it any more? | 02:58 |
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| greenfly | phr: it has a higher smoke point than other vegetable oils, but people probably use it less because it's more expensive | 02:59 |
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| phr | tx :P | 02:59 |
| shinkamui | tastes worse too | 02:59 |
| shinkamui | Im personally a fan of olive oil | 02:59 |
| shinkamui | but you can't really preheat olive oil | 02:59 |
| * simula_ votes olive oil | 02:59 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Canola is evil. | 02:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Artificial | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not good for you. | 03:00 |
| redeeman | lol | 03:00 |
| shinkamui | anyone in here actually have a problem with their usb port | 03:00 |
| shinkamui | damn forums are getting me scared | 03:00 |
| simula_ | not me | 03:01 |
| shinkamui | like I should file down my adapters and charge as infrequently as possible | 03:01 |
| * simula_ scoffs | 03:01 | |
| redeeman | wtf file down adapters? | 03:01 |
| greenfly | one of the points of switching to micro-usb was to have a sturdier connector, I thought | 03:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I am obtaining parts to make low-profile right-angle connectors. | 03:01 |
| kevloral | shinkamui: I think the problem with the usb port was solved in the production devices. | 03:02 |
| uhsf | My biggest problem with the Nokia N900 is that Nokia are very mean to Canada and exclude us completely like they could not care less. | 03:02 |
| kevloral | I remember having read that in tmo. | 03:02 |
| shinkamui | kevloral, they SAID that in the forums too, and then showed a picture of them being identical | 03:02 |
| uhsf | That does not encourage me to buy a N900. | 03:02 |
| shinkamui | total scare tactics! | 03:02 |
| kevloral | shinkamui: doh. | 03:03 |
| greenfly | uhsf: sounds like you may not want to | 03:03 |
| shinkamui | uhsf: dude, buy one if you want it, don't buy one if you dont want to | 03:03 |
| shinkamui | what are you looking for here? | 03:03 |
| SpeedEvil | shinkamui: It may - for example - have glue under the socket on one | 03:03 |
| shinkamui | its a great device | 03:03 |
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| shinkamui | SpeedEvil, the universal patch, glue! | 03:03 |
| MohammadAG | it indeed is a great device | 03:03 |
| shinkamui | well, I hope my N900 doesn't get too toasty running blender for an hour | 03:03 |
| SpeedEvil | shinkamui: Well - glue can be a valid fix sometimes. | 03:03 |
| MohammadAG | some ppl gave up 3G for it | 03:04 |
| shinkamui | I did | 03:04 |
| shinkamui | I gave up AT&T 3g | 03:04 |
| shinkamui | here in New Orleans its 7mbit too | 03:04 |
| MohammadAG | i'd give up at&t all in all | 03:04 |
| uhsf | I would like to have a N900 to replace my OpenMoko FreeRunner. | 03:04 |
| shinkamui | lols MohammadAG | 03:04 |
| MohammadAG | but i'm not from the US | 03:04 |
| shinkamui | Im using a relatively slow edge connection | 03:04 |
| SpeedEvil | uhsf: While it's nearly as open as the FR - the software is several orders of magnitude more polished. | 03:04 |
| shinkamui | but its actually bearable | 03:04 |
| shinkamui | approximately 15K/s down | 03:05 |
| uhsf | I do not care about 3g data because it is not available in Canada or way too much expensive. | 03:05 |
| shinkamui | thats fine for status updates and conversational IMs | 03:05 |
| MohammadAG | uhsf, then how's nokia dumping you | 03:05 |
| shinkamui | get it conversation(al) | 03:05 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 03:05 |
| uhsf | MohammadAG: what do you mean? | 03:06 |
| pwnguin | uhsf: are they refusing to ship to canadian addresses? | 03:06 |
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| shinkamui | ha ha ha | 03:06 |
| MohammadAG | you said nokia didn't care about canada | 03:06 |
| shinkamui | thats not true | 03:06 |
| uhsf | Nokia is not selling the N900 in Canada. | 03:06 |
| shinkamui | Nokia doesn't care about the USA | 03:06 |
| shinkamui | not Canada | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: heretic! ;-) | 03:06 |
| shinkamui | Nobody cares about Canada | 03:06 |
| MohammadAG | uhsf, so what? it's not here in israel too | 03:06 |
| ds3 | anyone know if the N900 will work w/3G mode for old TMO customers or do they need to update their contract? | 03:07 |
| pwnguin | uhsf: frankly, its cheaper from amazon | 03:07 |
| MohammadAG | and it will never be here | 03:07 |
| shinkamui | ds3 what does the phone have to do with the contract | 03:07 |
| pwnguin | the only reason to want a canadian model is because you demand a french/english version | 03:07 |
| MohammadAG | update for libillumination0 now available | 03:07 |
| ds3 | shinkamui: some carriers insist on different dataplans for different devices... I think TMO did that for the Android G1 device | 03:08 |
| uhsf | So yes I would be forced to import a N900 from Norway or some place and pay a total brokerage fees, all that for no warranty, etc. | 03:08 |
| shinkamui | after relinking the APT cache, my phone always has about 20-25% free space on root | 03:08 |
| MohammadAG | anyways i'm off (for real this time) | 03:08 |
| MohammadAG | nn | 03:08 |
| shinkamui | that and I relink all my extras-devel games | 03:08 |
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| shinkamui | ds3: tmo USA is like a dirty whore | 03:08 |
| mst | do we reckon I need to have enabled keyboard HID | 03:08 |
| shinkamui | she'll let you put anythign in any of her holes | 03:08 |
| mst | before the n900 will evden bother pairing with one? | 03:08 |
| shinkamui | you just need tmobile internet on your plan ds3 | 03:08 |
| shinkamui | if you want inbound traffic, get access to internet3.voicestream.com AP | 03:09 |
| ds3 | shinkamui: supposely the Android phones use a different APN config | 03:09 |
| shinkamui | doesn't matter, stick wiht tmobile internet and internet3 | 03:09 |
| ds3 | I don't use the TMO internet profile with my plan | 03:09 |
| shinkamui | and you will have unrestricted unmetered access | 03:09 |
| shinkamui | then you'll want that | 03:09 |
| ds3 | IIRC, I use internet2.voicestream.com as the APN | 03:09 |
| shinkamui | tzones only gives port 80 access | 03:09 |
| shinkamui | ds3, internet2 is fine | 03:09 |
| shinkamui | no inbouat, its natted | 03:09 |
| shinkamui | inbouand even | 03:09 |
| shinkamui | inbound eve | 03:10 |
| shinkamui | n | 03:10 |
| ds3 | I can't get on the other APNs | 03:10 |
| pwnguin | uhsf: http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N900-Unlocked-Computer-Touchscreen/dp/B002OB49SW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&qid=1263431350&sr=8-1 | 03:10 |
| shinkamui | DS3, INTERNET2 is FINE. ITS JUST NATTED. No inbound traffic will be allowed | 03:10 |
| uhsf | Are there many Nokia N900 models to choose from or just one, which works with canadian GSM SIM cards? | 03:10 |
| ds3 | in any case, you are saying my SIM will work at 3G speeds with a N900 on TMO? | 03:10 |
| ds3 | shinkamui: then I got it wrong... I am not nat'ed | 03:10 |
| pwnguin | uhsf: there's only one model. no clue if canadian GSM is different than the rest of the worlds. | 03:10 |
| shinkamui | ds3: I believe internet2 is umts as well | 03:10 |
| pwnguin | err, there's some different language programming and keyboard | 03:11 |
| shinkamui | only the tzones wap gateway is edge only | 03:11 |
| shinkamui | and that may have changed since I dropped my data only plan | 03:11 |
| ds3 | 'k | 03:11 |
| shinkamui | can't hurt to try it right | 03:11 |
| ds3 | I'm on an ancient data only plan so I donno what the rules are and apparently TMO don't know it either ;) | 03:11 |
| shinkamui | shouldn't matter | 03:11 |
| shinkamui | the APN is all that matters | 03:12 |
| shinkamui | and if your traffic is metered | 03:12 |
| shinkamui | but that would be extremely old | 03:12 |
| ds3 | nope, unlimited | 03:12 |
| shinkamui | they stopped metering with unlimited data in 2005 | 03:12 |
| shinkamui | you shouldn't have a problem then | 03:12 |
| shinkamui | the N900 works with ANY open APN | 03:12 |
| shinkamui | it even works with BB.voicestream.com | 03:13 |
| shinkamui | :) | 03:13 |
| ds3 | what's BB.voicestream.com do? | 03:13 |
| shinkamui | err blackberry.net | 03:13 |
| ds3 | oh | 03:13 |
| shinkamui | thats tmobiles blackberry apn | 03:13 |
| shinkamui | damn, I can't remember which it is now | 03:13 |
| xorAxAx | does anyone know how i do a sipcall from phonebook? | 03:14 |
| shinkamui | yea, its blackberry.net, moving right along | 03:14 |
| shinkamui | :) | 03:14 |
| shinkamui | xorAxAx, easy | 03:14 |
| shinkamui | if you have sip configured, click on the number you want to call | 03:14 |
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| shinkamui | then pick sip call | 03:14 |
| shinkamui | actually it will be another copy of the number | 03:14 |
| shinkamui | that says sip | 03:14 |
| shinkamui | same with jabber/gtalk/skype | 03:15 |
| ds3 | there is a full sip client from the factory now? | 03:15 |
| shinkamui | built into the devices fw | 03:15 |
| shinkamui | its under settings services or something like that | 03:15 |
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| ds3 | looks like the last contention issue for me is lack of working hostmode | 03:15 |
| shinkamui | only problem with skype, if your numbers aren't already in international format, it doesn't appear to be a way to prefix EVERY number with it | 03:15 |
| shinkamui | pretty huge blunder imo | 03:16 |
| shinkamui | hopefully fixed/fixable in pr1.1 | 03:16 |
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| ds3 | people said the same thing about WiFi on the treo :( | 03:16 |
| xorAxAx | shinkamui: the point was to check a box in the config | 03:16 |
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| shinkamui | xorAxAx, be more specific, site examples when possible | 03:19 |
| angasule | is skype on the n810 really bad, sound quality wise, or is it just my crappy connection? | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | shinkamui: sane contacts management won't use shortened numbers anyway | 03:19 |
| shinkamui | DocScrutinizer51, I dont follow | 03:19 |
| shinkamui | being from the US, and only having US contacts, all my numbers are in (Xxx)-xxx-xxxx format | 03:20 |
| shinkamui | not +1xxx-xxx-xxxx format | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | shinkamui: no sane user stores telnumbers in non-international format | 03:20 |
| shinkamui | lol | 03:20 |
| shinkamui | well, that would explain why the world views all americans as insane | 03:20 |
| angasule | shinkamui: I store my numbers in international format, even though I don't have any numbers from outside, it's just how they show up when someone calls me | 03:20 |
| angasule | shinkamui: yeap, they earned it, sorry :) | 03:21 |
| shinkamui | not here, this whole international thing is more of an on demand thing | 03:21 |
| shinkamui | and Im not offended, Im only half american | 03:21 |
| angasule | I wonder what telcos are like over there | 03:21 |
| shinkamui | pretty lame | 03:21 |
| angasule | you should be half-offended, then? :P | 03:21 |
| shinkamui | I would be, but my american side doesn't really care about what other people think | 03:22 |
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| angasule | I'm currently working for a company and the client is a very well known international telco, and it's pathetic | 03:22 |
| angasule | lots of tech from the 80s and probably 70s | 03:22 |
| shinkamui | dang | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's main issue all the rest of the world has with USA | 03:22 |
| shinkamui | yep | 03:22 |
| angasule | lots of employees from those days, too :P | 03:22 |
| shinkamui | It sure is | 03:22 |
| angasule | as in, one of the issues we're having is with X25 | 03:23 |
| shinkamui | just as long as my house doesn't get bombed, I have a good job, peaceful life, and I can buy toys like the N900, Im quite ok with it | 03:23 |
| angasule | we're using BCD (which recently gave some trouble, when some programs went from 2009 to 2016, that was funny :D ) | 03:23 |
| shinkamui | I heard about that | 03:23 |
| Arkenoi | well, stupid locals here in russia had bad habit of storing phone numbers as 8-xxx-xxx-xxxx instead of +7-xxx-xxx-xxxx | 03:23 |
| shinkamui | 2016 dated text messages | 03:23 |
| angasule | shinkamui: yeap, the problem is that your lifestyle is built on top of bombing others and such :) | 03:24 |
| angasule | shinkamui: that's why the US is hated, very much earned, I must say | 03:24 |
| Arkenoi | because if you called from the landline 8 was "long distance" prefix | 03:24 |
| Arkenoi | and that was "familliar" to them | 03:24 |
| shinkamui | angasule, I can only apologize for myself, and since I didn't bomb anyone, I think I have nothing more to say on the subject | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | shinkamui: and as long as nobody charges you for the CO2 you're emitting and can't recycle in your own country incl sea area | 03:24 |
| Arkenoi | even worse, early cellular network years operators provided caller id in that stupid format | 03:25 |
| Pavlov | is there a way to create a ovi account without a phone number or email address? | 03:25 |
| angasule | Arkenoi: eew | 03:25 |
| Arkenoi | because the majority of people behaved that ridiculous way | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | shinkamui: and nobody dares to say no to any insane request your government might have to rest of the world | 03:25 |
| Arkenoi | but now in 2010 they are extinct | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | s /and/and as long as/ | 03:26 |
| Arkenoi | and americans still behave like that? what a shame ;-) | 03:26 |
| angasule | well, it was nice to see gringos going nuts over the "crisis" | 03:27 |
| angasule | on both sides of the pond, I might add | 03:27 |
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| shinkamui | Gentlemen, Im not actually THE united states of america, you dont' have to gang up on me and hate me for things Im not doing | 03:29 |
| shinkamui | shit, Blame Canada | 03:29 |
| shinkamui | They're not even a real country anyway | 03:29 |
| shinkamui | Southpark movie, Im not actually serious | 03:29 |
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| angasule | blame redheads! | 03:33 |
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| uhsf | For accessories, I was thinking about buying a second battery and a protective case for the N900. I did not find a nice protective case yet so maybe I should just get a screen protector. | 03:34 |
| xorAxAx | i have the nokia case | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there's a ting like nokia case for N900? | 03:36 |
| uhsf | xorAxAx: what is the Nokia case? | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aah THE Nokia case. Notorious at US court ;-P | 03:37 |
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| xorAxAx | uhsf: cp-123 | 03:49 |
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| pupnik | perhaps we misapprehend where our focus should be: to enable humans to use information devices as they wish, without central control | 03:53 |
| xorAxAx | i want a mute boot logo package | 03:56 |
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| angasule | xorAxAx: with the n810, if it was in mute when it shut down, it'll not play the sound, if I remember correctly | 04:03 |
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| uhsf | xorAxAx: I think you meant CP-321. ty. | 04:19 |
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| xorAxAx | uhsf: hehe, indeed | 04:20 |
| svanheulen | anyone know if you're supposed to be able to run the UI, in the maemo 5 sdk, when your target is set to armel? | 04:21 |
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| uhsf | anyway I think I prefer CP-323 or CP-382 protective cases, which are made of cloth/textile instead of leather | 04:22 |
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| mst | DAMMIT | 04:27 |
| mst | what's the package with man in it? :( | 04:27 |
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| KamuiN900 | i love this phone | 04:28 |
| cleary_ | mst: | 04:28 |
| cleary_ | root@ed:/home/bernie# which man | 04:28 |
| cleary_ | /usr/bin/man | 04:28 |
| cleary_ | root@ed:/home/bernie# dpkg -S /usr/bin/man | 04:28 |
| cleary_ | man-db: /usr/bin/man | 04:28 |
| KamuiN900 | just need to remap tab and esc to keys | 04:28 |
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| KamuiN900 | liks fn enter and fn backspace | 04:29 |
| * mst sighs | 04:29 | |
| mst | cleary_: no such package. evidently I'm missing a repo | 04:30 |
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| cleary_ | mst: maybe | 04:30 |
| * cleary_ doesn't have a maemo device/chroot to help :/ | 04:31 | |
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| uhsf | I would order the CP-323 protective case but it was made for the N97 and I am not sure it has the same dimensions as the N900. | 04:41 |
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| uhsf | I guess it would not fit. | 04:43 |
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| phr | so tell me something. if i can browse the web from my phone, why can't i make voice calls from my laptop? | 04:45 |
| phr | i.e. why is voice GSM for laptops not a common feature? | 04:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | phr, because adding it to a device is an expensive, non-trivial, and (for laptops) mostly pointless operation? | 04:46 |
| phr | why expensive? laptops already have cellular data gizmos | 04:46 |
| phr | it wouldn't just be a little more firmware? | 04:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | and a lot more FCC certification | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then they have to talk to carriers | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | It aint just the hardware that costs. :) | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Infact, the hardware is, by far, the smallest part of the cost. | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | phr: because you will hurt your arm holding your laptop to your ear | 04:47 |
| phr | huh? if i buy some crappy chinese GSM phone from dealextreme, the phone mfgr hasn't talked to any of the US carriers | 04:47 |
| phr | docscrutinizer, uh, i'd use a bluetooth headset | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | why? use a phone instead | 04:48 |
| phr | well, i've been resisting getting an n900, and one complaint some ppl have is it's not powerful enough, so why not a laptop? | 04:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | phr, that's a crappy Chinese phone. :) | 04:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | phr, you already own a cellphone, right? | 04:49 |
| phr | generalantilles, i have a crappy finnish phone (not an n900) :) | 04:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | phr, if you want to make calls through your laptop to it, you're looking for BT HFP. | 04:49 |
| phr | what's HFP? | 04:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_profile#Hands-Free_Profile_.28HFP.29 | 04:50 |
| phr | tx. that looks like just the bluetooth earpiece-to-handset protocol | 04:50 |
| phr | what i'm wondering is why laptop gsm dongles don't speak GSM voice | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | phr, how many SIM cards do you have for your phone number? :) | 04:51 |
| phr | just one | 04:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | How many devices are you going to want to use it in with your little plan here? :) | 04:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Clearly you're not going to be taking your laptop with you to a party. | 04:51 |
| phr | why not? | 04:52 |
| phr | i mean the n900 is basically a tiny laptop | 04:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | . . . | 04:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wont disagree with that assertion, but we seem to have changed focus here. | 04:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | You wanted a laptop with GSM voice. | 04:52 |
| phr | yes | 04:52 |
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| phr | i'd just use a BT earpiece for phone calls with it | 04:52 |
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| phr | i'm thinking a small netbook sized laptop, not a 17" workstation style one | 04:53 |
| phr | i mean there's places i wouldn't take a laptop, but i probably wouldn't take an n900 to those places either | 04:54 |
| other_ | phr, the reason you cant use the dongles to make voice calls is there is other hardware in the phone to process that | 04:56 |
| other_ | the networks also handle voice and data calls diferently | 04:56 |
| phr | what kind of hardware, the gsm codec? laptops can do that in software | 04:56 |
| other_ | that and the way the network handles call setup and handoffs etc | 04:57 |
| phr | http://www.thinkpads.com/2010/01/05/ces-2010-finally-official-lenovo-skylight-smartbook/#more-3434 | 04:58 |
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| phr | what i'm mainly thinking is that the size/weight of the n900 is constrained more by its handheld use than its portability/transportability | 04:59 |
| phr | if i give up holding it to my ear to talk on it, i don't mind if it is 2x-3x as big (just leave it in my backpack) | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | phr, what's your end-goal here? :) | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, but normal people do. | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Normal people don't want a tablet or a netbook. | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | They want a phone. | 04:59 |
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| other_ | data is packet switched and voice calls are mostly not (unless you use voip) | 04:59 |
| phr | i bet there's a lot more netbooks out there than n900-level phones | 04:59 |
| phr | i lost interest in my n770 after getting a netbook | 05:00 |
| * GeneralAntilles expects this is a fruitless argument. | 05:00 | |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no such thing as an "n770" | 05:00 |
| phr | 770 | 05:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good for you, most people, however, don't want to take a laptop out drinking. | 05:00 |
| phr | http://www.google.com/search?q=ibeer ;) | 05:01 |
| phr | well what i'm really imaginging is a sub-netbook, bigger than n900, more kindle sized, with a bigger screen and keyboard and battery, USB host ports etc | 05:02 |
| phr | more serious camera like the n86's | 05:03 |
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| mst | well, I have a bluetooth keyboard paired | 05:04 |
| mst | now all I need to do is figure out wtf keybmap it needs | 05:04 |
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| phr | i think most websites want more screen pixels too... my first netbook was near unusable with 480x800 or something like that. i had to upgrade to an xga one | 05:05 |
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| phr | http://slashdot.org/submission/1150612/Nexus-One-Sells-Only-20000-in-First-Week | 05:05 |
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| phr | droid sold a lot more... doesn't give number for n900 | 05:06 |
| phr | oh well. i miss my hp 100lx... | 05:07 |
| microlith | phr: speaking of that, I have one right here | 05:08 |
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| phr | cool. it is still unsurpassed ;) | 05:09 |
| microlith | indeed | 05:09 |
| microlith | I rescued it from certain doom | 05:09 |
| microlith | even has a 10MB flash card | 05:09 |
| phr | heh | 05:10 |
| phr | i had a 1mb cmos ram card for mine | 05:10 |
| microlith | the better question is when you got yours :) | 05:10 |
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| phr | don't remember exactly but it was a long time ago | 05:11 |
| phr | i got it used | 05:11 |
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| jebba | 220.0M Jan 13 21:08 /home/user/.cache/tracker/file-meta.db youch | 05:17 |
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| go1dfish | nexus one is a pretty cool piece hardware wise | 05:20 |
| go1dfish | nicest keyboardless phone Ive encountered | 05:21 |
| go1dfish | havent seen a droid yet | 05:21 |
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| phr | yeah, it's smaller than the 900, but the 900 seems to have the best camera of these new phones. i dunno how many ppl care about that but there are some high-res camera apps that i'd like to write | 05:22 |
| pwnguin | phr: i'd just like to up the jpg quality above 75 | 05:22 |
| phr | i think it defaults to 92 or 95 or something? | 05:22 |
| phr | i was surprised how high they had it set | 05:22 |
| phr | " | 05:23 |
| phr | Google and T-Mobile Team up to Bring You Tons of ETFs" | 05:23 |
| phr | lol | 05:23 |
| pwnguin | the etf sounds about right | 05:24 |
| pwnguin | i was wondering where the extra money was coming from | 05:24 |
| pwnguin | tmo earns like an extra 240 from the 2 year contract | 05:24 |
| go1dfish | heh yeah they will ding you something like 550 USD combined | 05:25 |
| phr | they want you to get some stupendously expensive data plan with that thing | 05:25 |
| phr | i went to the tmo store and they seemed willing to set me up with the browsing plan if i got an n900, even though the n900 can tether etc | 05:25 |
| pwnguin | anyone else recieve a letter from nokia's discount fullfillment? | 05:26 |
| phr | wazzat? the prepaid visa card thing? | 05:26 |
| pwnguin | yea | 05:26 |
| phr | i didn't sign up... i wonder if those deals will keep going... i saw something about dell's coupon code running til 1/16 but it didn't seem to work when i tried it | 05:26 |
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| phr | i figure that a year of any data plan costs more than the phone itself | 05:27 |
| pwnguin | well i got a letter saying to please include more documentation | 05:27 |
| phr | i hate rebates of any sort | 05:27 |
| phr | if i buy a 900 i think i'll just order it from adorama | 05:27 |
| pwnguin | i liked the dell discount | 05:27 |
| pwnguin | and the discover discount | 05:27 |
| phr | apparently dell took a looooong time to ship | 05:27 |
| go1dfish | rebates make money by hoping you wont redeem | 05:27 |
| phr | and i made the mistake of asking dell for some info about their laptops once | 05:27 |
| phr | and they sent me tons of crap postal mail for years afterwards | 05:28 |
| phr | so i don't want to buy anything from them | 05:28 |
| KamuiN900 | goldf1sh the droid is pretty decent. not a huge fan of its membrane style keyboard, but the screen size is perfecct. auto rotation is decently fast. android apps run pretty snappy on it. battery life kis also ok. but an n900 it is not. not even close. | 05:28 |
| phr | are the nok symbian phones even worth thinking about these days? some of them have better cameras than the 900 but maybe not much else | 05:29 |
| pwnguin | phr: so you dont actually have a n900? | 05:29 |
| phr | pwnguin no | 05:29 |
| phr | i have a 770 and a zaurus and a busted hp 100lx | 05:29 |
| phr | and a crappy asus netbook | 05:30 |
| pwnguin | have you seen n900 photo quality? | 05:30 |
| phr | pwnguin yeah, i've been looking at some of the maemo.org and other threads about it | 05:30 |
| KamuiN900 | n97 is pretty nice if you are an enduser type user | 05:30 |
| phr | i'm a developer, i want to write image processing apps that run on the phone | 05:31 |
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| tank-man | does the n900 have a 'usage timer' like other cell phones? (can you tell if the unit is new or used) | 05:31 |
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| KamuiN900 | ive seen some metering apps utils | 05:32 |
| phr | sealed box, i hope ;) | 05:32 |
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| KamuiN900 | you could easily write owhat you want | 05:32 |
| phr | there'd have to be some kind of security module for a non-resettable usage timer | 05:32 |
| tank-man | yea, i was thinking no cause it is flashable | 05:32 |
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| pwnguin | given that one can reflash, theres not much place to hide that | 05:32 |
| phr | the usual approach is to put a smartcard chip inside the unit | 05:33 |
| phr | that's how they do DRM in laptops | 05:33 |
| phr | "trusted platform" blecccch | 05:33 |
| KamuiN900 | lifetime usage:? | 05:33 |
| KamuiN900 | nice | 05:33 |
| phr | i gather the n920 will have DRM | 05:33 |
| KamuiN900 | yes, and an egg timer | 05:34 |
| KamuiN900 | im looking forward to that feature | 05:34 |
| hoxtonhopper | tank-man: the phone app has a call timer | 05:34 |
| pwnguin | theres already an egg timer app | 05:34 |
| phr | http://anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3714 dual core cortex, might be nice for n920 ;) | 05:34 |
| pwnguin | widget even, sits on the desktop | 05:34 |
| hoxtonhopper | it doesn't distinguish between calls to mobiles and calls to landlines though | 05:34 |
| KamuiN900 | lol pwnguin twas a joke | 05:34 |
| pwnguin | the only way things would be easier is if the microwave sent the message itself ;) | 05:34 |
| pwnguin | bluetooth microwaves! | 05:34 |
| KamuiN900 | yes via bluetooth | 05:34 |
| KamuiN900 | and a wifi radio that can cook the egg in its shell | 05:35 |
| pwnguin | and ovens. never burn a cookie again | 05:35 |
| KamuiN900 | rinse and expose to proximity | 05:35 |
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| KamuiN900 | warning, do not hold phone while eggtimer is in use | 05:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ooh what an egg. and even with ears | 05:36 |
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| jebba | wow, so brainstorm is running on something new now? I was able to load a page and click thumbs up! | 05:43 |
| * GeneralAntilles has yet to see anybody actually use a Droid. | 05:45 | |
| phr | i saw droids in the store but not in use | 05:45 |
| pwnguin | phr: when i look at the 'details' menu on images i took, it lists the jpeg quality at 85.5 | 05:45 |
| phr | pwnguin hmm, someone posted the config file and it was set to 95 or so. maybe he had changed it | 05:45 |
| pwnguin | if theres a config file i'd be happy to find it | 05:46 |
| phr | lemme see if i can find it | 05:46 |
| phr | 05:48 | |
| phr | #9 | 05:48 |
| phr | /etc/gdigicam/gdigicam-camerabin.conf | 05:48 |
| phr | "Needs enabling and restarting the camera daemon. DISCLAIMER: Do NOT touch any of that stuff unless you are ready to reflash if things go south." | 05:49 |
| phr | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33420 | 05:49 |
| phr | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=446899&postcount=16 | 05:49 |
| pwnguin | yea, quality is commented out at 95 | 05:49 |
| pwnguin | im guessing the default is 85.5 | 05:49 |
| phr | "OK, I've taken pics at 80% and 99% compression. | 05:49 |
| phr | 80% | 05:49 |
| phr | 99% | 05:49 |
| phr | The 99% one is nearly five times the file size, but I can't see much difference between them, except maybe on the kindling on the right." | 05:49 |
| shinkamui | nice | 05:50 |
| pwnguin | uh | 05:50 |
| pwnguin | theres no way thats 5 MP | 05:50 |
| pwnguin | plus, the scene changed =/ | 05:51 |
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| pwnguin | phr: you say you do image processing. know where i can get a good reference campbell robson chart? | 05:53 |
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| phr | http://neurovision.berkeley.edu/Demonstrations/VSOC/izumi/CSF/A_JG_RobsonCSFchart.html | 05:55 |
| phr | (1st google hit... i didn't know what that was before) | 05:55 |
| phr | i'm not any kind of image whiz ;) | 05:55 |
| pwnguin | yea, i have that google search bookmarked. i figured there might be a printed version i could use | 05:56 |
| phr | i get the impression it's hard to print | 05:56 |
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| pwnguin | hence the request for a professional job ;) | 05:56 |
| phr | http://books.google.com/books?id=NDNfMaht37cC&pg=PA22 | 05:57 |
| pwnguin | heh | 05:58 |
| phr | http://cias.rit.edu/~gravure/tt/pdf/pc/TT6_FranzSigg.pdf hmm | 05:59 |
| pwnguin | that is a neat paper | 05:59 |
| phr | The Pelli-Robson Contrast Sensitivity Chart is available world-wide from any Haag-Streit authorized dealer (e.g. Lombart Instrument). To find a dealer in your area contact: ... | 05:59 |
| phr | is that the same? | 06:00 |
| phr | no that seems to have letters | 06:00 |
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| pwnguin | i was just thinking about ways to measure image quality reliably | 06:00 |
| phr | yeah | 06:00 |
| phr | i think real optical benches use aerial images, not sure how they're generated | 06:01 |
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| phr | http://visiome.neuroinf.jp/modules/xoonips/detail.php?item_id=3181 more tiffs | 06:02 |
| pwnguin | i was doing some document capture with my phone last month before i knew what i was doing | 06:04 |
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| pwnguin | most of the results were pretty bad, need to start over | 06:05 |
| phr | did it work at all | 06:05 |
| phr | ? | 06:05 |
| pwnguin | yea, once i figured out the autofocus | 06:05 |
| phr | how long do you have to wait between shots? | 06:06 |
| pwnguin | about 2 seconds | 06:06 |
| uhsf | I'm still not completely sold on the N900. Maybe it will happen in the next few days. | 06:09 |
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| phr | 2 seconds shot-to-shot isn't bad | 06:11 |
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| phr | for a camera like that | 06:11 |
| phr | uhsf the n900 is the only hi-end phone that i'm even slightly interested in, but as the saying goes, it's sort of a work in progress | 06:11 |
| pwnguin | probably it could go faster if they queued 'jpgization' or stored raws | 06:11 |
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| phr | is it possible to bypass the jpeg encoding and get the raw image? | 06:12 |
| pwnguin | i see an imageenc option | 06:12 |
| pwnguin | element = jpegenc | 06:12 |
| phr | well i mean can you bypass the photo app completely and just have your app talk directly to the camera? | 06:12 |
| pwnguin | probably you could replace that with some other gstreamer component | 06:12 |
| phr | yeah | 06:13 |
| pwnguin | or you could write your own component and integrate with the camera app that way | 06:13 |
| phr | is there source for the camera app? | 06:13 |
| pwnguin | donno | 06:13 |
| pwnguin | looks like yes | 06:15 |
| phr | yay | 06:15 |
| pwnguin | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/gdigicam/ | 06:15 |
| phr | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/gdigicam/src/gdigicam-manager.c looks a little bit hairy | 06:17 |
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| phr | i guess not too bad | 06:17 |
| sshinobi | ugh, I had to reflash my n800, and I'm having trouble using flasher-3.0 | 06:17 |
| pwnguin | maemo vi users: how do i delete a single character? | 06:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flasher | 06:18 |
| infobot | from memory, flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher | 06:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flashing | 06:18 |
| infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 06:18 |
| phr | pwnguin, not backspace ? | 06:18 |
| pwnguin | backspace just moves the cursor | 06:18 |
| sshinobi | I hold down the USB button as I reboot the N800, and run the software. I get the error " Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy. | 06:19 |
| sshinobi | its not doing anything though. | 06:19 |
| sshinobi | I've already flashed the operating system, I"m trying to boot into RD mode. | 06:19 |
| pwnguin | x | 06:20 |
| pwnguin | i swear to god i hate embedded vi | 06:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | sshinobi, VMWare installed? | 06:21 |
| phr | vmware on n900??!!! | 06:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | sshinobi, running it with root permissions? | 06:21 |
| sshinobi | LiveCD of Ubuntu, ran as root | 06:22 |
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| sshinobi | it says that the device or interface is busy. | 06:26 |
| sshinobi | and I have it booted into USB mode. | 06:26 |
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| sshinobi | so... is there an easier way to enable RD mode? | 06:35 |
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| sshinobi | I'm also having trouble connecting my app manager to the maemo repository | 06:47 |
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| KamuiN900 | ma | 06:50 |
| KamuiN900 | te | 06:50 |
| KamuiN900 | te | 06:50 |
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| aspidites | is anyone else unable to create and send sms? | 06:54 |
| aspidites | i can reply just fine but if i try to create sms's they seem to send just fine but the person doesn't receive them | 06:54 |
| BirdFlew | i've got no problem with sms | 06:54 |
| aspidites | hmmm... ok. time to do a bit more testing | 06:55 |
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| t7g_ | So, supposedly the next update is being rolled out. Anyone have it yet? | 07:29 |
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| Proteous | we just got the first update a couple of days ago... | 07:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Proteous, that was PR1.0.1 | 07:34 |
| Proteous | yeah, I know | 07:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | And, holy shit, it's an actual changelog: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1 | 07:34 |
| Proteous | yeah, was just looking at that :P | 07:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Proteous, PR1.0.1 was mostly changes to make it easier to push PR1.1 | 07:34 |
| Proteous | I often run my mouth then look to the internets to see if I am dumb | 07:35 |
| Proteous | I am usualy not disapointed | 07:35 |
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| Proteous | wonder how they fixed this bug "alarm clock does not wake me up when battery has died" | 07:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Proteous, apparently that's a requirement, believe it or not. | 07:40 |
| Proteous | huh | 07:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | The idea being that the phone shuts down earlier to save a bit of battery to run an alarm later. | 07:41 |
| Proteous | saves a little bit of extra juice so you aren't late for work I guess, how nice | 07:41 |
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| Proteous | I was hoping for a "made OVI maps into usable GPS software" | 07:42 |
| Proteous | but alas | 07:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's marginally better. | 07:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though not drastically so. | 07:42 |
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| Proteous | no per contact ringtones | 07:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's moved from "OMG I'm going to shave my eyeballs out with Salad Fingers' rusty spoon" to "Meh, I wouldn't use it regularly, but it'll do in a pinch. | 07:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it'll be interesting to see when that comes. | 07:43 |
| Proteous | "avoid false alarms in pocket" | 07:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | "OMG, you left me on your desk! ohwait" | 07:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno | 07:44 |
| Proteous | lol | 07:44 |
| Proteous | some sort of solution to the phantom vibrate problem | 07:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | the response on Talk is downright disheartening. | 07:47 |
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| Proteous | what are they saying? | 07:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Proteous, lot of entitlement idiocy. | 07:51 |
| Proteous | ah, I thought you ment stuff like, 1.1 bricked my phone!! | 07:51 |
| Proteous | the internets is always good for entitlement dickwads | 07:52 |
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| |R | any idea how to list apps installed from extras-devel or testing ? | 07:58 |
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| |R | any way to access the finland repo? ;) | 08:01 |
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| ruskie | xorAxAx, ? | 08:08 |
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| t7g_ | t.m.o. down for anyone else? | 08:13 |
| wiretapped | yeah | 08:14 |
| wiretapped | HTTP 504 gateway timeout | 08:14 |
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| tekojo | t7g_ looks like it. Reggie isn't online any more :-/ | 08:16 |
| pronto | lol, the browser seems to have crashed, i'm stuck on "Web page not responding, force window to close? YES/NO | 08:17 |
| tekojo | but the site replies to a ping really fast | 08:17 |
| pronto | its not doing anyhitng x.x | 08:17 |
| mece | so how's the updating going? | 08:19 |
| tekojo | mece the web site or what? | 08:20 |
| mece | PR1.1 | 08:20 |
| tekojo | ? | 08:20 |
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| tekojo | have I missed something? | 08:20 |
| mece | well it's out. | 08:21 |
| mece | that is why the website is down. | 08:21 |
| mece | traffic | 08:21 |
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| tekojo | already? | 08:21 |
| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/13/bach_windows_mobile/ <-- lol | 08:21 |
| mece | eyup | 08:22 |
| lcuk | lol tekojo yeah | 08:22 |
| lcuk | its christmas this week | 08:22 |
| mece | althoughhttp://conversations.nokia.com/2010/01/14/nokia-n900-software-update-part-2/ | 08:22 |
| lcuk | apparantly | 08:22 |
| pronto | mircosoft also said the iphone wouldnt sell | 08:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | tekojo, http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/01/14/nokia-n900-software-update-part-2/ | 08:22 |
| tekojo | thanks for the info :-) | 08:22 |
| pronto | :p | 08:22 |
| mece | lcuk, did you update yours already? | 08:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | tekojo, this is what I always find hilarious about Nokia updates. ;) | 08:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | mece, oops. | 08:22 |
| lcuk | mece i work on fremantle, what do you think | 08:22 |
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| mece | GeneralAntilles, what is hilarious about it? | 08:23 |
| mece | lcuk, good point | 08:23 |
| mece | mine says I have to use NSU :( grr argh! | 08:23 |
| tekojo | GeneralAntilles I have to agree :-) | 08:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | mece, the community usually knows more about when, where, what (and faster) than most Nokians. ;) | 08:24 |
| RST38h | Oh yeaaaaaaah | 08:24 |
| lcuk | if you have 1.0.1 already, just try cleaning down all the stuff you arent using | 08:24 |
| mece | hehe | 08:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | and we have the balls to complain about PUBLIC announcements. ;) | 08:24 |
| lcuk | ~GeneralAntilles++ | 08:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | tekojo, on the subject, anyway, I'm not sure if it was Quim or somebody else, but if you happen to find out could you give the person (or persons) that put together the changelog on the wiki a very big thanks from me? ;) | 08:25 |
| tekojo | GeneralAntilles which page :-D | 08:26 |
| RST38h | General: url? | 08:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1 | 08:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bugs and everything | 08:27 |
| RST38h | thanks | 08:27 |
| tekojo | For the bugs it's our very own bugmaster Andre and the text is *I think* Marcell | 08:27 |
| RST38h | "To update the software to this version you must use the Nokia software update application on your PC" | 08:29 |
| RST38h | anyone else getting this? | 08:29 |
| mece | RST38h, exactly, argh! | 08:29 |
| mece | I am. | 08:29 |
| RST38h | what is the story? | 08:29 |
| lcuk | RST38h, mece try cleaning up your device first, its a big update | 08:29 |
| RST38h | ok | 08:29 |
| mece | lcuk, cleaning up how? | 08:29 |
| lcuk | remove unwanted apps etc | 08:29 |
| mece | I already removed _wanted_ apps... | 08:30 |
| rkc_ | i have a .install file downloaded.. how to install it? | 08:30 |
| lcuk | then follow instructions | 08:30 |
| mece | oh well. I'll do it at work. I don't have windows here. | 08:30 |
| rkc_ | what command should i use? | 08:30 |
| mece | lcuk, will do I guess. | 08:31 |
| ruskie | hmm quite a few updates | 08:31 |
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| ruskie | though I guess lucky for me nothing for mini-rc or system-scripts | 08:31 |
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| tekojo | mece a reboot may clear some more space on the device | 08:31 |
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| RST38h | I do not see how anything can be cleaned up | 08:32 |
| RST38h | The biggest third-party app I see is Midnight Commander, 2.2MB | 08:32 |
| RST38h | The rest is optified | 08:32 |
| Tonzas | oh nice, mailboxes seem to work much faster after the upgrade | 08:33 |
| ruskie | try apt-get clean | 08:33 |
| ruskie | hmm appmanager or apt-get... I think I'll need to go the apt-get route... | 08:33 |
| pwnguin | RST38h: maybe clean out the apt-cache and whatnot | 08:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | 45MB minimum, I think. | 08:34 |
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| |R | GeneralAntilles: it's adding 45MB to the root? | 08:35 |
| |R | or it needs it as a buffer for the .deb? | 08:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Buffer for the install, I believe. | 08:35 |
| * GeneralAntilles isn't particularly clear on what, exactly, needs to fit there. | 08:36 | |
| Proteous | can't it buffer into the free 32 GBs on my device :) | 08:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Only that konttori quoted 45MB | 08:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Proteous, debs are cached onto the eMMC. | 08:36 |
| Mece_ | oops | 08:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Proteous, so not really sure what's up. | 08:36 |
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| rkc_ | i have a .install file downloaded.. how to install it? | 08:36 |
| |R | GeneralAntilles: isn't the app manager using some sort of cache folder near MyDocs ? | 08:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | rkc, feed it to the application manager. | 08:37 |
| |R | (if you don't go the apt-get route) | 08:37 |
| * RST38h is massacring his n900 | 08:37 | |
| GeneralAntilles | |R, it caches downloaded .debs to the eMMC. | 08:37 |
| rkc_ | GeneralAntilles: how?? | 08:37 |
| rkc_ | as a new catelog? | 08:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | rkc_, it actually should feed directly from the browser. | 08:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | But there used to be an "open" option in the menu. | 08:38 |
| pwnguin | RST38h: if you're tight on space, perhaps move the handshake video? | 08:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, what's df reporting? | 08:38 |
| cosmo | rkc_: try opening it from file manager. it used to work on diablo | 08:38 |
| RST38h | General: 44MB free | 08:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, huh. | 08:39 |
| Mece_ | 68Mb here | 08:39 |
| rkc_ | cosmo: it looks like working | 08:39 |
| rkc_ | cool | 08:40 |
| cosmo | rkc_: great. normally it should open directly from browser | 08:40 |
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| rkc_ | i am trying to install personl-menu application.. it complains about libhildondesktop0 package missing.. | 08:40 |
| rkc_ | neight i could find using apt-cache | 08:41 |
| rkc_ | any work around? | 08:41 |
| ruskie | well here goes nothing | 08:41 |
| rkc_ | it looks like that package is obsolete | 08:41 |
| |R | man i only got 33MB free | 08:41 |
| pwnguin | is there a feed of just the n900 tag of nokia conversations? | 08:42 |
| Mece_ | is your oython optified? | 08:42 |
| RST38h | lcuk: So how much space does it need? | 08:43 |
| |R | yep | 08:44 |
| rkc_ | from which repo can i get libhildondesktop0 | 08:44 |
| lcuk | not sure exactly RST38h i just recall it being a big update, and if its asking you to do it by flash still that might be your only option. | 08:45 |
| microlith | hmm | 08:45 |
| microlith | bugg 6334 seems to be pending for a future patch | 08:46 |
| lcuk | bug 6334 you mean | 08:46 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6334 random HW watchdog reboots (/proc/bootreason contains "32wd_to") when returning from off_mode | 08:46 |
| microlith | yes | 08:46 |
| pwnguin | so this supposedly fixes the bad gmail perf? | 08:47 |
| RST38h | Ok, installing Nokia Software Updater =( | 08:47 |
| * ruskie wonders what will break on his system | 08:47 | |
| lcuk | RST38h, make a note of things which arent included in your backup procedures | 08:47 |
| lcuk | ie check that xchat saves/restores settings ? | 08:47 |
| RST38h | fuck that. | 08:48 |
| ruskie | :) | 08:48 |
| ruskie | agreed screw backups ;) | 08:48 |
| RST38h | I do hope the address book is backed up though | 08:48 |
| tekojo | RST38h what is eating your space? | 08:48 |
| lcuk | meh, just trying to be constructive | 08:48 |
| RST38h | It is ok to back up to that 32GB flash, right? It is not being trashed? | 08:48 |
| RST38h | tekojo: On top of the list, there is locales database | 08:48 |
| |R | oh wait, disabling a bunch of repo gave me 48.5MB :D | 08:48 |
| RST38h | tekojo: 19MB | 08:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, yes, it wont touch the eMMC. | 08:49 |
| RST38h | |R: Really? Interesting | 08:49 |
| |R | RST38h: yeah... like 15.5MB by disabling OVI, testing, extras and deleting a double of ovi i had (oh and disabling fremantle tool) | 08:50 |
| RST38h | Going to try that, looks like it will clean up /var | 08:50 |
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| pwnguin | theres a neat debian tool called dpigs | 08:50 |
| tekojo | oh, that's low | 08:50 |
| pwnguin | perhaps it could be modfied to consider only a specific FS | 08:50 |
| * |R install debian-goodies to see what dpigs is :) | 08:51 | |
| RST38h | Anyone knows how I clean /var/dpkg/info? | 08:51 |
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| RST38h | Can I just delete stuff there? | 08:51 |
| pwnguin | is debian-goodies on n900? | 08:51 |
| |R | pwnguin: don't think so, on my home debian only i guess hehe | 08:51 |
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| pwnguin | oh, you got my hopes up =( | 08:51 |
| |R | p_- | 08:52 |
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| ruskie | ok.. ran a backup and scped it to my home system | 08:52 |
| ruskie | now to wait for the dist-upgrade to finish | 08:52 |
| pwnguin | dpigs is just a 100 line perl script | 08:53 |
| * |R is pissed is has to go to sleep and wait for tomorrow morning to get the update :P | 08:53 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | This staggered rollout shit is obnoxious. | 08:54 |
| mattiksi | is there some sort of bug in the maemo.org registeration | 08:54 |
| Mece_ | if it is space that is the problem, it requires more than 68Mb rootfs | 08:55 |
| mattiksi | it says That username already exists. | 08:55 |
| mattiksi | Warning: eregi() [function.eregi]: REG_BADRPT in /usr/local/gforge_v4_5_20/www/account/register.php on line 74 | 08:55 |
| mattiksi | and i checked there is no such user | 08:55 |
| mattiksi | atleast the search won't find any.. | 08:55 |
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| |R | how do you backup ? just the system backup of user data? | 08:57 |
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| pwnguin | lol, dpigs is like 80 percent filler | 08:57 |
| mece1 | finally at office. drive-ircing is difficult. | 08:57 |
| mece1 | RST38h, how much space have you got now? | 08:58 |
| ruskie | |R, I just ran the backup app... whatever it does it's enough for my needs for a recovery backup | 08:58 |
| pwnguin | 11 percent comments, 20 percent GPL, and 50 percent getopts processing | 08:58 |
| ruskie | hmm t.m.o is back | 08:58 |
| * microlith disables extras* and recovers 12MB of space | 08:58 | |
| |R | ruskie: ok :) | 08:59 |
| pwnguin | sadly, dpigs just relies on a reported Installed-size field | 08:59 |
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| RST38h | Wonderful | 08:59 |
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| RST38h | PR1.1 is NOT available via NSU | 08:59 |
| RST38h | Hello, Quim | 08:59 |
| |R | NSU = firmware files ? | 09:00 |
| qgil | finally, I'm trying for the first time http://webchat.freenode.net/ | 09:00 |
| RST38h | Nokia Software Updater | 09:00 |
| lcuk | morning qgil, or should we say santa clause :D nice week for updates and announcements! | 09:00 |
| |R | hehe :) | 09:00 |
| ruskie | RST38h, tried through the appmanager yet? | 09:00 |
| RST38h | So, I cannot update on the device (60MB of / is not enough) and I cannot update via NSU (no update available) | 09:00 |
| mni | btw 'll get my device tomorrrow. Is it just best to flash the new firmware into it or should I use ssu? | 09:01 |
| qgil | RST38h: what time is it where do you live? | 09:01 |
| ruskie | RST38h, and you did run apt-get clean as well ? | 09:01 |
| RST38h | yes | 09:01 |
| RST38h | qgil: 10:01 | 09:01 |
| ruskie | hmm | 09:01 |
| mece1 | RST38h, maybe it's something else, other than space. | 09:01 |
| mece1 | qgil, 9:01 here. | 09:01 |
| |R | RST38h: seriously, 60MB not enough ? | 09:01 |
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| RST38h | |R: How do I know? App manager says no | 09:01 |
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| |R | well i mean, nobody is reporting such high level of free space... | 09:02 |
| |R | everyone seems to be around 45 | 09:02 |
| qgil | RST38h: time for relax, then ;) NSU will come perhaps in 1h or so | 09:02 |
| ruskie | lol | 09:02 |
| ruskie | |R how about 180MB on / :) | 09:02 |
| |R | haha, well, you cheated i guess :P | 09:02 |
| * RST38h sighs | 09:02 | |
| mece1 | |R, I have 69Mb free now, and it still says the same. | 09:02 |
| ruskie | |R, repartitioned yeah :) | 09:02 |
| |R | ruskie: lot of trouble? | 09:02 |
| mece1 | qgil, is the app manager update also dependent on time somehow? I'm in Finland here. | 09:02 |
| ruskie | wiki.maemo.org/User:Ruskie | 09:03 |
| ruskie | see there :) | 09:03 |
| |R | thnks :) | 09:03 |
| ruskie | though this is the first major update and I'll need to fixup some things I guess again | 09:03 |
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| ruskie | not to mention my remove list is huge so there's a lot of stuff that was also removed | 09:04 |
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| |R | ruskie: saved a lot with the language removed? | 09:05 |
| qgil | mece1: for what I know the image will be available for everybody at the same time | 09:05 |
| ruskie | can't remove those easily | 09:05 |
| mece1 | qgil, ok. | 09:05 |
| ruskie | or to be precise it'll try to remove the mp- meta package | 09:05 |
| |R | ruskie: dpkg --force-all --purge ? :P | 09:05 |
| ruskie | but I removed that one since I removed mediaplayer | 09:05 |
| ruskie | I'm actually working on a solution for that | 09:06 |
| RST38h | 61MB | 09:06 |
| |R | hehe ok, you did remove everyting :P | 09:06 |
| ruskie | |R, and I need to use apt-get dist-upgrade which iirc isn't recommended for upgrades | 09:06 |
| mece1 | RST38h, I'm thinking it something other than space.. | 09:07 |
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| * RST38h sighs again and goes to work. | 09:08 | |
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| mece1 | oops | 09:09 |
| qgil | https://transifex.net/collections/c/maemo-extras/r/devel/ is cool | 09:09 |
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| sgbirch | My n900 is still not picking up the small firmware upgrade (UK), is this a common problem? | 09:13 |
| sgbirch | Using a regular browser on a PC I see: | 09:14 |
| sgbirch | You don't have permission to access "http://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/apps/" on this server | 09:14 |
| sgbirch | seems odd | 09:14 |
| ruskie | sgbirch, of course you don't | 09:14 |
| cb22 | looks like the big update is availability is determined by which akamai server your country gets handed | 09:14 |
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| sgbirch | ruskie: why not? | 09:14 |
| ruskie | hmm running ssh server+xmms2+openvpn and running a dist-upgrade on my device | 09:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | sgbirch, did you remove mp-fremantle-generic-pr? | 09:14 |
| ruskie | sgbirch, because it's protected and iirc isn't it https ??? | 09:15 |
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| sgbirch | ruskie: That was an https request in firefox | 09:15 |
| |R | firmware is out on NSU | 09:15 |
| |R | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php <- well, if that is the NSU :P | 09:15 |
| sgbirch | GeneralAntilles: Not as far as I know, but I had to do "Restore Applications" at one point, cant remember why | 09:16 |
| |R | what's the diff between global and the others? | 09:16 |
| sgbirch | hildon-application-manager.list looks like this: | 09:16 |
| melmoth | Does NSU means apt-get update without having to reflash ? | 09:16 |
| sgbirch | deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/apps/ ./ | 09:16 |
| sgbirch | deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/203 ./ | 09:16 |
| sgbirch | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free non-free | 09:16 |
| sgbirch | deb http://moff.mozilla.com/ chinook release | 09:16 |
| sgbirch | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing fremantle free non-free | 09:16 |
| sgbirch | deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ovi/ ./ | 09:16 |
| sgbirch | Is that correct? | 09:16 |
| ruskie | sgbirch, stop spaming | 09:16 |
| melmoth | or in other words, will i have to reflash to get the new update or may i use the software manager in the device to do so ? | 09:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | sgbirch, have you been messing around with apt-get? | 09:17 |
| ruskie | melmoth, of course you can | 09:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | melmoth, NSU is just flasher with a Windows UI. | 09:17 |
| melmoth | ruskie: cool; some messgae frome qgil on internettablettalk made me doubt this | 09:17 |
| sgbirch | GeneralAntilles: no, I dont think so | 09:17 |
| ruskie | melmoth, well the issue is free space on / apparently | 09:17 |
| sgbirch | GeneralAntilles: I was thinking of doing apt-get upgrade at one point but was scared off by postings in maemo.org | 09:17 |
| sgbirch | did and apt-get update | 09:18 |
| melmoth | Ahhh, ok, this may be the reason i was confused, i was assuming NSU meant apt-get update | 09:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | sgbirch, it's a potential recipe for disaster with the wrong repos. | 09:18 |
| melmoth | and qim was talking about NSU. | 09:18 |
| |R | haha | 09:18 |
| sgbirch | GeneralAntilles: is my list of repos correct (sorry if ruskie called it spam) | 09:18 |
| |R | NSU = windows... no wonder no one gets it ;P | 09:18 |
| ruskie | hence why I disabled all other repos but the two official ones when I did a dist-upgrade | 09:18 |
| Slasheri | hmm, is that possible to use linux instead of windows to install the update? | 09:19 |
| sgbirch | ruskie: is apt now ok for use? | 09:19 |
| ruskie | sure... | 09:19 |
| ruskie | sgbirch, no clue | 09:19 |
| ruskie | I don't have much choice as my system is rather modified | 09:19 |
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| sgbirch | http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/redpill-devel.html | 09:19 |
| sgbirch | At the bottom of that is a note saying that trhey are moving to apt-get | 09:20 |
| ruskie | last I heard it is infact better to use apt then red pill mode though | 09:20 |
| sgbirch | ruskie: can you look at my set of links from sources.list.d, are they correct? | 09:20 |
| sgbirch | s/links/sources/ | 09:20 |
| infobot | sgbirch meant: ruskie: can you look at my set of sources from sources.list.d, are they correct? | 09:20 |
| sgbirch | GeneralAntilles: any ideas? | 09:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Erm, the firmware is 51-1? | 09:21 |
| ruskie | sgbirch, not at the moment | 09:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, um, what did I just spend 3 weeks testing and filing bugs for, exactly? | 09:22 |
| mece1 | So, in theory, I could use apr-get dist-upgrade instead of app manager? | 09:22 |
| mece1 | apt-get even | 09:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | sgbirch, apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 09:22 |
| sgbirch | GeneralAntilles: ok | 09:22 |
| mece1 | Il try that before nsu.. | 09:23 |
| sgbirch | GeneralAntilles: E: Couldn't find package mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 09:23 |
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| sgbirch | GeneralAntilles: I suspect my repos are not correct but cant find the docs telling me what they should be | 09:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | sgbirch, hrm, that's really weird. | 09:24 |
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| ruskie | note: do not do this over a ssh connection that you are connected to over cell since apparently cell connection is lost during update | 09:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | sgbirch, I've only got 44-1 and 51-1 here. | 09:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | sgbirch, get somebody with 42-11 to dump /etc/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | 09:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | My line 2 ends in /mr0 ./ rather than /203 ./ | 09:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | sgbirch, not sure what it is in 44-11 | 09:26 |
| tekojo | sgbirch maybe danielwilms can help out | 09:26 |
| sgbirch | GeneralAntilles: hmm | 09:26 |
| qgil | I guess you know already but the global, USA and MENA images are in the usual place now | 09:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qgil, 51-1 is actually 51-1? | 09:27 |
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| |R | Top5 popular tags: 1 #haiti 2 #innovaatiojuna 3 #Nowplaying 4 #fail 5 #n900 (New) http://scandinavia.twirus.com | 09:27 |
| sgbirch | can anyone here dump /etc/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list on 42.11 | 09:27 |
| rlinfati | why the 51-1 update say me i need a nokia system update ???? | 09:27 |
| Jaffa | morning, all | 09:27 |
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| ColdFyre | ponies | 09:27 |
| sgbirch | GeneralAntilles: I am getting close to flashing the unit ... but that seems ott | 09:27 |
| sgbirch | GeneralAntilles: One thing, I travel between here and the US and have a SIMM in both locals | 09:28 |
| sgbirch | GeneralAntilles: Each time I cross the pond and change the SIMM it does a "where are you" startup | 09:28 |
| sgbirch | GeneralAntilles: I wonder if that affects the repo list | 09:28 |
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| qgil | GeneralAntilles: why shouldn't? | 09:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, mostly because of this list: http://tinyurl.com/y8wyoh3 | 09:29 |
| slonopotamus | woah | 09:30 |
| slonopotamus | 51-1 update | 09:30 |
| slonopotamus | any breakages yet? :) | 09:30 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: sorry, what is this list supposed to be? | 09:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qgil, bugs filed against 51-1. | 09:30 |
| ColdFyre | ooh i didnt know there was a 51-1 | 09:30 |
| ColdFyre | i'm tempted to try it | 09:31 |
| ColdFyre | as long as it does not randomly reboot like 42-11 | 09:31 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: don't know the details but I guess at some point you need to go out - of course the Fremantle program is working on the next one | 09:32 |
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| slonopotamus | 89mb... | 09:33 |
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| slonopotamus | looks like they replaced everything :) | 09:33 |
| slonopotamus | err... | 09:33 |
| ColdFyre | slonopotamus: you tried it? | 09:33 |
| slonopotamus | it wants to pull qt | 09:33 |
| slonopotamus | ColdFyre, not yet | 09:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, well, it just kinda makes me wonder what the point of the beta testing was. | 09:33 |
| ColdFyre | i am going to flash, but i'm a bit skurred, i never flashed my n900 before.. | 09:35 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: to see if there was something bad enough to delay? | 09:36 |
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| Jaffa | xorAxAx: re Bounce, in Catorise v0.0.2 it should be in "Ovi" | 09:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, need to hunt down the guy who did the cat icons for an Ovi icon. | 09:39 |
| Jaffa | qgil: is there an announcement to prevent tmo going into ridiculous meltdown with incessant one-liners saying "It's not available in $PLACE yet" | 09:39 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: there's also a "Maemo" one, btw | 09:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, yes, they're ignoring it. | 09:40 |
| sgbirch | GeneralAntilles: Where are the docs describing changes in each maemo release for N900? | 09:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=469810 | 09:40 |
| sgbirch | thx | 09:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, what's in "Maemo"? | 09:41 |
| mece1 | apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 09:41 |
| mece1 | is working... | 09:41 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Nothing from Catorise, but there is an icon for it in the HAM themes | 09:42 |
| mece1 | RST38h, ping | 09:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, ah, interesting. | 09:42 |
| slonopotamus | w/e... | 09:42 |
| * slonopotamus starts updating to pr1.1 | 09:42 | |
| * ifreq follows | 09:43 | |
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| qgil | Jaffa: I believe we have done our homework telling to people that the SSU is a staggering process both in the wiki page and the first post of the Talk thread | 09:43 |
| Jaffa | Gilly: great wiki page btw | 09:43 |
| Jaffa | s/Gilly/qgil/ | 09:43 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: qgil: great wiki page btw | 09:43 |
| Jaffa | qgil: yeah, just seen. good stuff. | 09:43 |
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| Jaffa | Can't believe there are over 11 pages on the tmo thread in the last 2.5 hours. Any useful/interesting content? ;) | 09:44 |
| ruskie | lol | 09:44 |
| ifreq | doubt it | 09:44 |
| ruskie | Jaffa, pr1.1 release? | 09:44 |
| lcuk | jaffa, summary "w00t" | 09:45 |
| ruskie | with all the is it safe, I'll wait, it broke etc... comments ;) | 09:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, oh, nevermind, icon loading fail. | 09:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | How do we get new icons to load without the icon cache? | 09:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, no. | 09:45 |
| konttori_nokia | ah, nice, pr1.1 is out | 09:45 |
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| zaheerm | mine says it requires nsu | 09:46 |
| phr | SSU? | 09:46 |
| ruskie | upgrade still running here(dist-upgrade that is ;) | 09:46 |
| zaheerm | qgil, wiki page is very informative, thanks | 09:47 |
| koala_man | so when the N900 crashes and you get a faint "Nokia" on the screen and the gui starts up again, what is that? X restarting? soft reboot? | 09:47 |
| thresh | what do i use to sync n900 calendar, contacts etc on linux ? | 09:47 |
| ifreq | pen and paper | 09:48 |
| thresh | that's so 20th century | 09:48 |
| ruskie | I just hope nothing will auto restart the device though while updating... I tane update mechanisms that do that | 09:48 |
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| konttori_nokia | zaheerm, you have some conflicting package installation on your device | 09:51 |
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| sshinobi | so... I've got my N800 hooked up to my linux box, and booted into USB mode, and I'm trying to enable RD mode with flasher-3.0, and the CLI is coming back with "Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy." Any help? | 09:52 |
| mece1 | konttori_nokia, thanks for the info on the packages. Wasn't sure what the problem was | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | morning | 09:52 |
| konttori_nokia | mece1, if you see a package that conflicts, it would probably make a lot of sense to notify the developer | 09:52 |
| cosmo | sshinobi: turn the n800 off | 09:53 |
| mece1 | konttori_nokia, well i guess I do but I have no idea which one it is. | 09:53 |
| sshinobi | working on it | 09:54 |
| mece1 | konttori_nokia, going with apt-get instead. moved apt cache under MyDocs so the debs would fit. | 09:54 |
| sshinobi | and off. | 09:54 |
| cosmo | sshinobi: run the command (as root) and then turn on the device | 09:55 |
| cosmo | just like when flashing | 09:55 |
| sshinobi | alright, let me try | 09:55 |
| sshinobi | still same error. | 09:56 |
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| sshinobi | I turned it off, ran the command, and turned it on into USB mode. | 09:56 |
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| Jaffa | oh, tmo, how you entertain us, "where's universal portrait and MMS?" | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | i don't think mms was ever announced | 09:57 |
| ruskie | lol | 09:58 |
| ruskie | I'm very happy with no mms and no universal portrait | 09:58 |
| ruskie | that really bugged me on the n95 | 09:58 |
| ruskie | had apps randomly flipping on the side or even upside down | 09:58 |
| sshinobi | did it again, still nothing. | 09:58 |
| mece1 | ruskie, mms bugged you? | 09:58 |
| ruskie | mece1, the fact that it was a useless feature :) | 09:58 |
| ruskie | the one time I tried using it the phone shat itself | 09:58 |
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| siriusnova | ooooh | 09:59 |
| siriusnova | new Firmware Update | 09:59 |
| siriusnova | so whats new | 09:59 |
| siriusnova | :D | 09:59 |
| siriusnova | in the firmware | 09:59 |
| siriusnova | for those that have installed already | 09:59 |
| ruskie | still installing | 09:59 |
| ruskie | and have been so for the last 30 minutes | 09:59 |
| siriusnova | oh | 09:59 |
| siriusnova | lol | 09:59 |
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| cehteh | s 1.1 out? | 10:00 |
| ruskie | yup | 10:00 |
| cosmo | anyone know how much free space 1.1 ota update requires? | 10:00 |
| sshinobi | should I try rebooting, cosmo? | 10:00 |
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| ruskie | 60 or so mb iirc | 10:00 |
| ruskie | though some seem to do it with less | 10:01 |
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| cosmo | sshinobi: dunno.. sounds really weird. try checking the flashing wiki page | 10:01 |
| konttori_nokia | browser works in portrait if you press shift+crtl+o | 10:01 |
| konttori_nokia | just to let those know who want browser portrait | 10:02 |
| sshinobi | I ran into this problem before, but I forget what I did to fix it. | 10:02 |
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| Jaffa | siriusnova: full changelog on the wiki | 10:04 |
| ruskie | would be nice if updates were more rolling than a huge pile of things at the same time | 10:06 |
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| ruskie | but I guess that loses PR value | 10:06 |
| qgil | konttori_nokia: hi there :) I have updated http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1 trying to reflect the reasons why a user would be asked to conect the device to PC instead of OTA, please help completing | 10:06 |
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| tigert | heya quim | 10:07 |
| zaheerm | konttori_nokia, how can i detect what packages are conflicting? | 10:07 |
| Jaffa | siriusnova: changelog is at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1 | 10:08 |
| siriusnova | sweet thanks | 10:08 |
| * Stskeeps gets out his morning coffee and starts digging into PR1.1 contents | 10:08 | |
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| zaheerm | qgil, aah saw your added info on wiki pointing to konttori_nokia's talk entry, thx | 10:09 |
| avs | ruskie, a consumer cellular device has to go through a significant number of vertifications and qualifications, and this would potentially cause issues with new small changes being shipped all the time | 10:09 |
| konttori_nokia | qgil, will do | 10:09 |
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| ruskie | avs, for things like application updates??? | 10:10 |
| qgil | zaheerm: yeah, I encourage anybody with a good clue to add in the wiki page links to good ansers to FAQ - konttori_nokia thanks! | 10:11 |
| Wolfie | the maemo update summary is pretty nondescriptive on what the update is doing. some sort of changelog highlights would be appreciated | 10:12 |
| qgil | Wolfie: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1 | 10:12 |
| qgil | ah, you mean while updating? | 10:12 |
| qgil | that would be nice, fullscreen flash of sorts like you get when installing OpenOffice.org or Ubuntu-Live | 10:13 |
| avs | ruskie, the higher the SW is in the stack, the less probable it is that it would affect certification/qualification, but yes, there may be such effects on the very top user-facing app level, too. | 10:13 |
| Wolfie | qgil: no, when i select the update in the phone, it doesn't say what it's supposed to do to my phone. I understand that there's a nitty-gritty changelog online somewhere, but some kind of text, other than a generig "update for maemo" in-device would be great | 10:13 |
| qgil | Wolfie: well, there is a Details tab... | 10:13 |
| tekojo | morning Stskeeps | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | morning tekojo :) | 10:14 |
| qgil | but overall I agree that there is room for improvement here | 10:14 |
| Wolfie | also, when doing an "update all", i need to accept, and may check the details of, only one application. Is there a way to look at the update summaries of the other applications aswell, other than just clicking each app through, canceling the individual update? | 10:14 |
| Wolfie | qgil: yes, and that tells me only the updated package names. qt-foo-bar-1.2.3 isn't descriptive | 10:15 |
| thresh | hooray PR1.1 | 10:15 |
| qgil | Wolfie: ? you get the info the packager maintainer decided to introduce, isn't it? | 10:15 |
| qgil | anyway, it's not that I have time now to engage in this discussion :) | 10:16 |
| Wolfie | qgil: only for the first one. Once i check the "i accept" and press "continue", it doesn't show any other applications, it just proceeds to download and install | 10:16 |
| Wolfie | like now, i install maemo update, facebook install, documents to go install, and pygtkeditor all at once, and it prompted me only with pygtkeditor's update dialogue | 10:17 |
| Wolfie | once i accepted it, it just started updating everything | 10:17 |
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| zaheerm | Wolfie, you should file that bug in bugzilla | 10:19 |
| slonopotamus | okay. | 10:19 |
| * slonopotamus updated | 10:19 | |
| flux | how much /-space does OTA-updating of PR1.1 require? | 10:19 |
| flux | or, what's the least amount (or any amount..) of space someone has had before successfully upgrading? | 10:20 |
| Wolfie | zaheerm: i should. I should file the accelerometer bug aswell | 10:21 |
| Slasheri | hmm, could i symlink /var/cache/apt/archives to /home/user to enable enough space for OTA-update? | 10:21 |
| Corsac | the updater says I would need 90M | 10:21 |
| zaheerm | Wolfie, sure file all bugs you think are bugs | 10:21 |
| thresh | how do i properly change the DNS nameserver on n900 in console? | 10:21 |
| thresh | i'm setting up the usb networking | 10:21 |
| Wolfie | zaheerm: there's just the factor of remembering, having the time, and having the inspiration ;) | 10:21 |
| Slasheri | i have only 50M free in / after trying to remove everything non essentials | 10:21 |
| zaheerm | Wolfie, if you have it fresh in your head, you can help everyone not just yourself by filing hte bugs | 10:22 |
| tigert | thresh: it uses /etc/network/interfaces file | 10:23 |
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| Wolfie | zaheerm: point taken | 10:23 |
| tigert | maybe you can specify a nameserver there? | 10:23 |
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| flux | corsac, thanks, so now I have a goal, at 31M now :) | 10:23 |
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| tigert | thresh: I am not sure though | 10:24 |
| thresh | tigert: looks like a hack | 10:24 |
| tigert | thresh: thats where your usb networking entry is | 10:24 |
| tigert | at least on my tablet | 10:24 |
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| thresh | i believe when i connect to some public WIFI service UI does not change /etc/resolv.conf | 10:24 |
| thresh | but alters dnsmasq configuration | 10:24 |
| tigert | hmm | 10:24 |
| Corsac | flux: I'm not sure that's the required space in /var/cache but... | 10:24 |
| tigert | ah | 10:24 |
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| tigert | could be | 10:24 |
| tigert | but if you put the dns in /etc/resolv.conf, that at least should work? | 10:25 |
| tigert | but yeah, good point | 10:25 |
| thresh | yeah | 10:25 |
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| thresh | but i'm looking for a clearer way | 10:25 |
| thresh | and have no wifi networks to test here :) | 10:25 |
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| tigert | oh yeah | 10:25 |
| tigert | my tablet has dns server of localhost | 10:25 |
| tigert | so yeah, its handled some other way | 10:25 |
| thresh | yes, that points to dnsmasq | 10:25 |
| konttori_nokia | qgil, I updated the talk entry a bit. Looks to me like qt-webkit and qt-phonon are the most likely culprits for the NSU message for people. | 10:25 |
| flux | actually I have dpkg and apt files move to /home, but I don't think it takes that into account | 10:26 |
| konttori_nokia | so, then midori would be a good candidate to remove before proceeding with ssu. | 10:26 |
| konttori_nokia | none of the ovi store programs block the update | 10:26 |
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| flux | does anyone have a script handy that lists packages that consume significant space from /? | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | midori isn't qt-webkit though, just webkit? | 10:27 |
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| konttori_nokia | Slasheri, 50 is enough | 10:27 |
| konttori_nokia | Stskeeps, oh. right. true | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | (are you bundling qt-webkit on pr1.1?) | 10:27 |
| Corsac | flux: try disabling all extra repositories | 10:27 |
| tigert | thresh: theres stuff in /etc/dnsmasq.conf | 10:27 |
| konttori_nokia | it's not part of the release. | 10:27 |
| tigert | thresh: but you probably looked at that already | 10:27 |
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| konttori_nokia | other qt libs, but not phonon and webkit, are part of release | 10:28 |
| thresh | yes i did | 10:28 |
| konttori_nokia | pr1.2 will have all qt libs installed by default | 10:28 |
| thresh | seems like the best solution is | 10:28 |
| flux | corsac, what would that help, as I already have dpkg and apt files off the root? | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | konttori_nokia: sounds good :) | 10:28 |
| thresh | to create /var/run/resolv.conf or similar (that is listed in that config) and send SIGHUP to dnsmasq | 10:28 |
| Corsac | ha, no :/ | 10:28 |
| thresh | mmmm might work actually | 10:28 |
| flux | konttori_nokia, hmm, good point, I was thinking of removing all QT libs, but some of them came with the phone? | 10:28 |
| konttori_nokia | flux, well, qt-core came on sales release and 1.0.1 | 10:29 |
| flux | konttori_nokia, only that? | 10:29 |
| konttori_nokia | 1.1 has more qt packages included | 10:29 |
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| konttori_nokia | (network, gui, svg, and something else) | 10:30 |
| flux | I also have libqt4-dbus libqt4-gui libqt4-network libqt4-opengl libqt4-phonon libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-sqlite libqt4-xml installed, so I suppose I could remove them before upgrade (and depending packages) | 10:30 |
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| ifreq | anyone tested mfe? | 10:30 |
| flux | random sampling suggests they aren't optified either | 10:30 |
| konttori_nokia | (dbus, sqlite, opengl) | 10:30 |
| konttori_nokia | dbus and sqlite are also on the sales release as far as I remember | 10:31 |
| flux | is there a list of sales release packages somewhere? | 10:31 |
| konttori_nokia | no there isn't | 10:31 |
| flux | or, did someone just reset their device so he could do dpkg --get-selections :-) | 10:31 |
| * RST38h idly wonders why the Nokia Software Updater comes as a 23.4MB installation file | 10:31 | |
| RST38h | What the hell is there to fill that much space? =) | 10:32 |
| swc|666 | yea rly | 10:32 |
| swc|666 | disect it | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: animations of how to plug in USB cable into all nokia phones? ;) | 10:32 |
| Corsac | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1.7M Oct 9 09:57 intellisyncd | 10:32 |
| thresh | tigert: yeah it worked :) | 10:32 |
| zaheerm | RST38h, a solitaire game to keep you occupied while update happens? :) | 10:32 |
| Corsac | mpf. | 10:32 |
| RST38h | Sts: yea, localized in 50 languages... | 10:32 |
| * swc|666 wishes localepurge were an option in maemo | 10:33 | |
| tigert | thresh: i wonder if it would work if you added an entry to dnsmasq.conf for usb0 | 10:33 |
| thresh | tigert: i think so. | 10:33 |
| thresh | not that i use usb networking much. | 10:33 |
| tigert | yea | 10:34 |
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| tigert | then maybe temporarily hacking the resolv.conf should work | 10:34 |
| qgil | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/5.0/1.2009.42-11_vs_2.2009.51-1_content_comparison.html | 10:34 |
| thresh | mmm, not app manager wants some connection to be up. hmm. | 10:34 |
| qgil | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/5.0/1.2009.42-11_vs_2.2009.51-1_content_changes.html | 10:34 |
| Corsac | why is fiasco-flasher removed? | 10:35 |
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| Corsac | flasher replace it completely? | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: neat, thanks! | 10:35 |
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| Stskeeps | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/5.0/Changelog_1.2009.42-11_vs_2.2009.51-1.txt is also useful for those wanting to go really in depth | 10:37 |
| Corsac | nice, thanks | 10:37 |
| timeless_mbp | hey! | 10:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | "open in new window" finally came in handy! | 10:37 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.whywaitforbooks.com/ | 10:37 |
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| thresh | what is the name of the (virtual?) package that brings new update? | 10:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | thresh: it isn't a virtual package | 10:38 |
| thresh | appmanager wants some 'connection' to be active, while i do have internets via usb networking | 10:38 |
| timeless_mbp | it's a meta pacakge | 10:38 |
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| thresh | so i'm trying to dist-upgrade using apt-get | 10:39 |
| timeless_mbp | thresh: but why not install the dummy network thing which lets you use it | 10:39 |
| thresh | oh nice, what is it? | 10:39 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a package *somewhere* for dummy networking which is designed to let you have usb networking and get icd to stop bugging you | 10:39 |
| rmrfchik | I wonder, in maemo 6 there will in fact 2 API sets? GTK for backward compatibility and new shine qt | 10:39 |
| timeless_mbp | not sure of the name, but i'd search for 'dummy' | 10:39 |
| timeless_mbp | rmrfchik: no | 10:39 |
| thresh | timeless_mbp: well that's the first thing i did. | 10:40 |
| timeless_mbp | gtk will be community supported | 10:40 |
| rmrfchik | timeless_mbp: no compatibility? | 10:40 |
| L0cutus | re | 10:40 |
| timeless_mbp | which roughly means "if someone is stupid enough to stick gtk into a repository, they can use it" | 10:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | there will probably be 3 apis: Qt, DUI, NokiaHTML | 10:40 |
| rmrfchik | timeless_mbp: all applications will have to be rebuilt with qt? | 10:40 |
| thresh | not rebuilt but rewritten | 10:40 |
| rmrfchik | this what I mean | 10:41 |
| timeless_mbp | rmrfchik: no, but maemo6 is unlikely to _include_ gtk | 10:41 |
| timeless_mbp | it would probably *work* if you got gtk from a community repository | 10:41 |
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| Stskeeps | just like qt in the past | 10:41 |
| timeless_mbp | or python :) | 10:41 |
| tigert | ust like now you install an app and it pulls qt | 10:41 |
| rmrfchik | that's mean, maemo6 isn't "upgrade" for enduser. it will be new OS | 10:41 |
| tigert | or python yes | 10:42 |
| timeless_mbp | rmrfchik: did we say anything about that? | 10:42 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't remember us making that promise | 10:42 |
| timeless_mbp | i seem to recall us trying very hard *not* to make that promise | 10:42 |
| rmrfchik | timeless_mbp: i'm not talking about promise.. i'm thinkging about buying n900. | 10:42 |
| timeless_mbp | we have promised a number of updates to maemo5 | 10:42 |
| timeless_mbp | rmrfchik: there are a number of updates to the n900 coming | 10:42 |
| timeless_mbp | one hopefully soon | 10:42 |
| RST38h | NSU still does not show any updates :(( | 10:43 |
| timeless_mbp | (like between 1day and 4months depending on how silly management decides to be) | 10:43 |
| rmrfchik | i don't want to buy n900 which will be outdated in 3 month. | 10:43 |
| lcuk | (today, its rolling now) | 10:43 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: ?? | 10:43 |
| * RST38h wonders if anyone managed to update to 51.1 today | 10:43 | |
| rmrfchik | there are no updates in n810, no new apps. all write for maemo5. | 10:43 |
| lcuk | an update | 10:43 |
| lcuk | 1.1 | 10:43 |
| tigert | timeless_mbp: pr1.1 is out right now | 10:43 |
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| Wolfie | rmrfchik: nokia has promised to release only one maemo phone this year. It's unlikely that it will be outdated within the two first quarters | 10:43 |
| timeless_mbp | tigert: oh, wow | 10:43 |
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| tigert | :) | 10:43 |
| timeless_mbp | ok s/1day/0days/ | 10:43 |
| * timeless_mbp has been exploited by management | 10:43 | |
| asj_ | RST38h: I have | 10:44 |
| RST38h | asj: How? | 10:44 |
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| Wolfie | rmrfchik: my personal guesstimate would be at the end of the year, just in time for the christmas rush. | 10:44 |
| tigert | N900 wont stop working when something else is announced.. | 10:44 |
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| asj_ | RST38h: normal way | 10:44 |
| Corsac | RST38h: it's currently updating | 10:44 |
| lcuk | lol timeless thats been the same since the very first manager existed | 10:44 |
| RST38h | asj: And you have not got "use NSU"? | 10:44 |
| RST38h | Corsac: via SSU? | 10:44 |
| thresh | so what's the name of that meta package? | 10:44 |
| Corsac | RST38h: and i'll be late for work because of that! | 10:44 |
| asj_ | RST38h: no, I had 44-1 | 10:44 |
| rmrfchik | Wolfie: it will be outdated by community. | 10:44 |
| Corsac | RST38h: yes | 10:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | thresh: mp-fremantle-*-pr | 10:45 |
| asj_ | RST38h: I had to use NSU to go from 42-2 to 44-1 | 10:45 |
| timeless_mbp | or something like that | 10:45 |
| rmrfchik | tigert: nah... | 10:45 |
| RST38h | Corsac,asj: How much / space do you guys have??? | 10:45 |
| zaheerm | ok managed to free up 45 MB so i can update | 10:45 |
| timeless_mbp | asj_: did you uninstall the meta package? | 10:45 |
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| rmrfchik | looking at past, when new device/os is coming, nobody cares about prev model. | 10:45 |
| Wolfie | my OTA update for the 44-1 seems to proceed very well, for those who are interested | 10:45 |
| zaheerm | konttori_nokia, thx for tip re: libqt4-phonon/webkit | 10:45 |
| asj_ | RST38h: 42-1 20 megs, 44-1 70 megs, 51-1 45 megs | 10:45 |
| rmrfchik | unless it compatible | 10:45 |
| Corsac | RST38h: 60 or 70M I think | 10:45 |
| Wolfie | and i trust nokia's usability experts to make sure that space problems are announced _before_ the download starts | 10:46 |
| timeless_mbp | konttori_nokia: did you see my complaint about the calendar color being missing? | 10:46 |
| RST38h | Ok, so it needs 70M | 10:46 |
| asj_ | timeless_mbp: no, I just came home to a blinking yellow update indicator | 10:46 |
| asj_ | the only major change I saw was ovi maps | 10:46 |
| Corsac | hmmh, I can't check now becaue it shut downs the network when updateing | 10:46 |
| timeless_mbp | asj_: i mean why did 44-1 not install via ssu | 10:46 |
| timeless_mbp | konttori_nokia: so, open calendar | 10:47 |
| timeless_mbp | switch to week view | 10:47 |
| * RST38h has 61M free but SSU is not working | 10:47 | |
| timeless_mbp | tap and hold on an event and look at the event | 10:47 |
| timeless_mbp | watch it disappear as you tap | 10:47 |
| rmrfchik | "We have new shine maemo5!... oh, sorry, we have fucked up with gtk. here is new brilliant maemo6 (pls, don't forget to dump old applications) | 10:47 |
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| rmrfchik | that's bothering me | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | rmrfchik: gtk apps will still work | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | and they said this very very early :P | 10:47 |
| RST38h | rmrfchik: You should see Qt DUI framework plans | 10:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | rmrfchik: there are plans to update maemo5 for a while | 10:48 |
| RST38h | rmrfchik: THAT will bother you. A lot | 10:48 |
| Corsac | I'm annoyed tooltips are diusplayed right to the tap | 10:48 |
| timeless_mbp | in fact afaiu konttori_nokia is responsible for them | 10:48 |
| timeless_mbp | Corsac: instead of? | 10:48 |
| Corsac | since I'm right handed I tap with the right hand, so the tooltip is hidden by my hand | 10:48 |
| timeless_mbp | Corsac: ah, my favorite complaint | 10:48 |
| Corsac | it'd be nicer for me to have it displayed on the left | 10:48 |
| Wolfie | Corsac: here here | 10:48 |
| Corsac | but then it'd would bother left-handed people :) | 10:48 |
| rmrfchik | I looked throu maemo.org and can't find roadmap. can you poke me? | 10:48 |
| timeless_mbp | whenever anyone working on the 770/n800/n810/n900 does so | 10:48 |
| RST38h | rmrfchik: All the way down to importing document-controller-view model from Series60 | 10:48 |
| Wolfie | Corsac: above/below would be a good compromise, i guess | 10:48 |
| rmrfchik | Stskeeps: that was my question about 2 api sets :) | 10:49 |
| timeless_mbp | they say "this is designed for righties, i wonder if it'll work for lefties" | 10:49 |
| timeless_mbp | to which, I laugh, because as a lefty, i know it works better for us :) | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | rmrfchik: heck, you can use wxWindows right now :P | 10:49 |
| rmrfchik | timeless_mbp: good to hear. any urls to read plans or it insider info? ;) | 10:49 |
| Corsac | timeless_mbp: if *for once* something works better for lefties, I guess we can let it :) | 10:49 |
| siriusnova | as long as I can watch my porn on my N900 | 10:49 |
| jhp | I'm a lefty and it works very well. | 10:49 |
| siriusnova | i dont care | 10:49 |
| siriusnova | the day i cant watch my porn | 10:49 |
| siriusnova | is the day i sell my N900 | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | rmrfchik: http://wiki.maemo.org/Open_development/Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle , http://wiki.maemo.org/Open_development/Maemo_roadmap/Harmattan | 10:50 |
| siriusnova | :P | 10:50 |
| timeless_mbp | siriusnova: well, that'll probably be when flash13 or something is required | 10:50 |
| timeless_mbp | but wait | 10:50 |
| lcuk | leftie rightie arguments are bad, theres so much of device thats oriented for wrong handed people. yet its most likely lefties who come up with the ideas :D lol | 10:50 |
| rmrfchik | Stskeeps: i don't talking about plain gtk/vxwindows. i'm talking about maemo specific api | 10:50 |
| timeless_mbp | last i checked, youporn.com [NSFW] didn't work on the n900 | 10:50 |
| siriusnova | o | 10:50 |
| timeless_mbp | (the flash team actually has to test that site) | 10:50 |
| siriusnova | i never been to youporn on my N900 | 10:51 |
| rmrfchik | Stskeeps: thanks! i was stucked on http://wiki.maemo.org/Open_development/Maemo_roadmap ;) | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | rmrfchik: feel free to edit page in order to make it point to the actual releases | 10:51 |
| lcuk | timeless, extensive retesting everyday no doubt lol | 10:51 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk: given that it doesn't work, i doubt they test it often | 10:51 |
| rmrfchik | BugzillaReports : Can't get database connection (maemobugs@10.5.1.101) : | 10:51 |
| rmrfchik | ;) | 10:51 |
| timeless_mbp | only after they've improved something | 10:51 |
| thresh | i wonder if anything will break if i move /var/cache/apt/archives to /home/user/MyDocs/somewhere/ | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | rmrfchik: server migration issue probably | 10:52 |
| timeless_mbp | actually, should i load that site to verify it doesn't work? | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | thresh: actually HAM does it like that | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | .apt-archive-cache or something | 10:52 |
| timeless_mbp | thresh: given that ham does that as of 44-1 | 10:52 |
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| thresh | hmm, i'm on 42-1 | 10:52 |
| thresh | 1 | 10:53 |
| timeless_mbp | you're supposed to get 44-1 via SSU | 10:54 |
| timeless_mbp | ... | 10:54 |
| flux | thresh, I moved my /var/cache/apt to /home/var/cache/apt, nothing has broken so far | 10:55 |
| Corsac | woot restarting | 10:55 |
| timeless_mbp | so, did you install the dummy network package? | 10:55 |
| flux | thresh, (even 1.0.1 installed fine) | 10:55 |
| thresh | timeless_mbp: no i didnt | 10:55 |
| timeless_mbp | why not? | 10:55 |
| thresh | well wait, i was referring to 42-11 in a hostname | 10:55 |
| Corsac | oh, dotted boot is gone | 10:55 |
| thresh | which was not probably changed | 10:55 |
| Davetha-n900 | lol just noticed im still on irc | 10:55 |
| Corsac | ha, rescue mode maybe | 10:55 |
| LoCusF | is anyone else getting size mismatches during the SDK upgrade= | 10:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | thresh: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3306 | 10:56 |
| povbot | Bug 3306: DUMMY connections not visible in Select connection dialog | 10:56 |
| thresh | Get:1 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ mp-fremantle-generic-pr 2.2009.51-1 [14.5kB] tada | 10:56 |
| timeless_mbp | the bug is for maemo4 | 10:56 |
| timeless_mbp | but hopefully it works | 10:56 |
| timeless_mbp | thresh: err, no! | 10:56 |
| timeless_mbp | no no no no no no no | 10:56 |
| thresh | ctrl-c'ed | 10:56 |
| timeless_mbp | do NOT try to upgrade from 42-11 to 51-1 | 10:57 |
| thresh | how do i check which firmware i'm on? | 10:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | DO upgrade from 42-11 to 44-1 and then to 51-1 | 10:57 |
| timeless_mbp | settings>about [product] | 10:57 |
| Corsac | thresh: settings / about | 10:57 |
| thresh | says 44-1 | 10:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok | 10:57 |
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| thresh | the hostname is still 42-11 somehow | 10:57 |
| Corsac | ok, it booted | 10:57 |
| Corsac | “operating system syuccessfuly updated” | 10:57 |
| cehteh | mhm .. kow long is the time from production to shipping? .. the shop where i ordered will be delivered at 25th or so .. any chance that these phones then already have the new firmware *thinking* | 10:57 |
| timeless_mbp | Corsac: do you want better English? :) | 10:58 |
| Corsac | I'm french anyway | 10:58 |
| cehteh | well produced in korea .. it needs at least 2 weeks shipping around the world | 10:58 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, so 'syuccessfully' is your translation | 10:58 |
| Corsac | not, my fingers | 10:58 |
| timeless_mbp | was your device speaking french or english | 10:59 |
| timeless_mbp | if english, why? | 10:59 |
| cehteh | engrish :) | 10:59 |
| * timeless_mbp will be in paris the first weekend of feb | 10:59 | |
| timeless_mbp | englinch | 10:59 |
| Wolfie | When I have created an alarm (say, on a sunday) to be triggered on mo,ti,we,th and fr, and let's say it's thursday morning, five minutes before the alarm should go off. I'm awake and I want to cancel the alarm. How do I do that, without deleting friday's scheduled alarm too? | 10:59 |
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| Corsac | timeless_mbp: because I prefer having all my IT-related stuff in english | 10:59 |
| Wolfie | editing and unchecking the thursday's alarm apparently didn't do the trick | 10:59 |
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| Wolfie | ...or is this also a bug that should be reported? :) | 11:00 |
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| andre__ | Wolfie, disable the checkbox of that alarm, and enable it 6min later? | 11:00 |
| flux | a "skip next alarm"-button would be great | 11:00 |
| Wolfie | andre__: i need to check that, but i think i disabled the check for it, but it still went off | 11:00 |
| timeless_mbp | Corsac: English or Fingrish? | 11:00 |
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| flux | wolfie, works for me (TM) | 11:01 |
| Wolfie | it was early morning, so i might've disabled the wrong day, but i'm somewhat certain that i did select the right day | 11:01 |
| Wolfie | okay. Probably my fault,t hen | 11:01 |
| lcuk | Wolfie, heh i generally leave it and smile as it goes off thinking yes! i beat you | 11:01 |
| Wolfie | lcuk: hehe | 11:01 |
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| zaheerm | wonder if ayone will implement accelerometer controlled alarm shutoff | 11:01 |
| Corsac | timeless_mbp: Frenglish | 11:01 |
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| zaheerm | ie throw n900 far to turn it off :) | 11:01 |
| Wolfie | flux: but yeah, i'm with you - a "skip next alarm" would be useful. disable/re-enable is a bit of a hack | 11:01 |
| timeless_mbp | Wolfie: if you can reproduce this (it seems easy enough to do), please file a bug | 11:02 |
| lcuk | zaheerm im sure if the device has a large enough decelleration the alarm will stop | 11:02 |
| Wolfie | timeless_mbp: will do | 11:02 |
| flux | zaheerm, if (acceleration > 10 * g) { shut_off(); } ? | 11:02 |
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| Wolfie | my pending bug reports are piling up :) | 11:02 |
| Wolfie | flux: sounds like a plugin for n900fly | 11:02 |
| flux | wolfie, not to mention error prone. untick it, forget to enable it again.. | 11:02 |
| andre__ | zaheerm: if I throw the N900 through half of my room the alarm will go off anyway when crashing on the wall | 11:02 |
| Wolfie | flux: exactly | 11:02 |
| zaheerm | problem is, if it flips in the air...it will snooze | 11:02 |
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| tybollt | hmm | 11:02 |
| tybollt | maemo5 update again? | 11:02 |
| zash | andre__: hahaha | 11:03 |
| tybollt | is 1.1being pushed? | 11:03 |
| thresh | yes | 11:03 |
| thresh | updating atm :) | 11:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | Wolfie: you don't get cookies for pending reports :) | 11:03 |
| timeless_mbp | only filed reports :) | 11:03 |
| tybollt | \o/ \o/ \o/ | 11:03 |
| Wolfie | timeless_mbp: cookies! | 11:03 |
| lcuk | tybollt, christmas week :) | 11:03 |
| Wolfie | yeah. I should take my coffee break to file the bugs I've discovered | 11:04 |
| tybollt | lcuk: :D | 11:04 |
| Wolfie | let me write them down into smultron... | 11:04 |
| timeless_mbp | # Menu command for opening the current web page or selected frame in a new browser window | 11:04 |
| lcuk | ~Wolfie++ | 11:04 |
| timeless_mbp | msgid "weba_me_open_in_new_window" | 11:04 |
| timeless_mbp | msgstr "Open in new window" | 11:04 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 11:04 | |
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| timeless_mbp | this is a bug from collapsing the context menu | 11:04 |
| timeless_mbp | did anyone ever actually *file* a bug about open in new window? | 11:04 |
| timeless_mbp | it's not like the localization hint was ambiguous or anything... | 11:05 |
| timeless_mbp | oh good | 11:05 |
| asj_ | timeless_mbp: 44-1 needed couldb't be ota for me | 11:06 |
| asj_ | s/needed/ | 11:06 |
| timeless_mbp | asj_: were you one of those people who uninstalled the product meta package? | 11:06 |
| zaheerm | nokia logo screen had a blue progress bar for me | 11:07 |
| asj_ | timeless_mbp: no | 11:07 |
| cyndis | mine won't install ota either, probably because there isn't enough space for the package to download | 11:07 |
| cyndis | 51 actually | 11:07 |
| cyndis | was 44 supposed to move apt/archives onto mmc or something? | 11:08 |
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| Wolfie | mine did update ota, but i think it's a pretty big bug that an update smaller than 100mb can't be applied in a device coming with 32 gigs of space | 11:08 |
| lcuk | cyndis, http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1 | 11:08 |
| timeless_mbp | andre__: hey, since 51-1 (?) is out, shouldn't you add it as a version to bugzilla? | 11:08 |
| Wolfie | (it's rebooting right now *giddy*) | 11:08 |
| RST38h | Anyone could update via NSU? | 11:08 |
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| cyndis | lcuk, thanks | 11:09 |
| Wolfie | wow. I can use the phone as a hand warmer now. it's pretty hot :) | 11:09 |
| asj_ | hmm, interesting, I'm AU and I got mine at 7am .fi time ;) | 11:09 |
| lcuk | has info, you need as much space as possible (i believe >50mb and its recommended to disable the extra repos and theres some conflicting packages which are being discovered atm) | 11:09 |
| andre__ | timeless_mbp: hey, when I get out of my bed and a coffee, I could really do that, why not? :-) | 11:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | i could do it w/o getting off my couch if you like | 11:09 |
| timeless_mbp | i presume you're just adding, not renaming | 11:09 |
| cyndis | i have 60M free on root, but i did install qt-maemo5-*, gonna try removing them | 11:09 |
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| asj_ | cyndis: I have libqt4-maemo5 (4.6) installed | 11:10 |
| andre__ | timeless_mbp, I have my prepared list of to-do's here for updates :) and there will be a small amount of renaming involved... | 11:10 |
| cyndis | and 51 succeeded ota? | 11:10 |
| asj_ | cyndis: yes | 11:10 |
| cyndis | ok, something else then | 11:10 |
| asj_ | cyndis: I have ...git-2010011 installed | 11:10 |
| cyndis | mine is older | 11:11 |
| ruskie | well here goes nothing | 11:11 |
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| Wolfie | whee, the update works. | 11:12 |
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| Wolfie | xterm got a new icon, and the scrolling seems a bit more smoother now, even with an invisble shield on | 11:12 |
| zaheerm | the xterm icon looks worse | 11:13 |
| asj_ | * Rename Maemo Extras to maemo.org and enable by default | 11:13 |
| zaheerm | but hopefully i can add my email account again finally | 11:13 |
| asj_ | that's fantastic | 11:13 |
| Wolfie | zaheerm: well, it's a bit clunkier perhaps, but it's much more descriptive now | 11:14 |
| lcuk | asj_ :) indeed | 11:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | andre__: alright, have fun | 11:15 |
| lcuk | mornin bilboed | 11:16 |
| timeless_mbp | zaheerm: fwiw, i also dislike the newer icon | 11:16 |
| timeless_mbp | but oh well | 11:16 |
| timeless_mbp | install konttori_nokia 's icon set | 11:16 |
| timeless_mbp | it gives a less aggressive icon | 11:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | oddly, i think the icon we like is a windows icon :) | 11:17 |
| mece1 | righty. everything worked out peachy with apt-get. | 11:17 |
| timeless_mbp | since > is more of a dos prompt than a unix prompt | 11:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | mece1: please don't recommend that | 11:17 |
| mece1 | timeless_mbp, I think the new icon is just fine. | 11:17 |
| timeless_mbp | as it's very easy for it to end up less than peachy | 11:17 |
| asj_ | ooh ooh maybe I can use Imap | 11:18 |
| timeless_mbp | asj_: if you use gmail, might i suggest you forget about it? :) | 11:18 |
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| asj_ | timeless_mbp: poop :( | 11:18 |
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| mece1 | timeless_mbp, I use gmail with imap. works just fine. What's the issue with that? | 11:18 |
| timeless_mbp | asj_: someday MfE will work with gmail | 11:18 |
| timeless_mbp | mece1: your average gmail mailbox gets too big for modest | 11:19 |
| timeless_mbp | modest is a solution for modestly sized mailboxes | 11:19 |
| mece1 | hmm.. | 11:19 |
| asj_ | timeless_mbp: nokia messaging seems useable now, about time they'll start charging for it | 11:19 |
| mece1 | hehehe | 11:19 |
| timeless_mbp | no comment. | 11:19 |
| timeless_mbp | mece1: seriously. | 11:20 |
| asj_ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3762 -- about imap | 11:20 |
| povbot | Bug 3762: Performance is unusable on IMAP accounts with a large number of messages in one or more folders (e.g. INBOX) | 11:20 |
| timeless_mbp | i mean, i say it in a way so that it can sound funny, but it's true | 11:20 |
| cehteh | .. but still no imap idle? | 11:20 |
| fcrozat | MfE works somehow with gmail. After PR1.1 update, I had to resync full but it works now | 11:20 |
| timeless_mbp | fcrozat: from memory MfE for google is a bit of a toss up | 11:20 |
| asj_ | presumably it works with nuevasync.com | 11:20 |
| timeless_mbp | asj_: no | 11:21 |
| timeless_mbp | iirc we have bugs about that | 11:21 |
| timeless_mbp | but you should test it | 11:21 |
| asj_ | timeless_mbp: they list it as working, except for the part about "it syncs every folder, inclding spam" | 11:21 |
| fcrozat | timeless_mbp: well, it has issue if you start merging contacts. But for me, contacts and calendar sync works | 11:21 |
| timeless_mbp | and if it doesn't work and you can't find a public bug, you should file one | 11:21 |
| mece1 | timeless_mbp, I have a pretty small mailbox. 2000 mails. | 11:21 |
| timeless_mbp | mece1: that makes you incredibly atypical | 11:22 |
| tigert | fcrozat: heya :) | 11:22 |
| mece1 | timeless_mbp, I suppose :) I've been careful with my gmail. I have other boxes that get spammed. | 11:22 |
| tigert | fcrozat: there was an app in extras-devel that supposedly lets you select folderd to sync | 11:23 |
| timeless_mbp | even the normal people i meet who use gmail have mailboxes larger than that | 11:23 |
| * fcrozat needs to retest mergeing contacts when one of the contact is from google talk account. It was broken | 11:23 | |
| asj_ | nice to see such a complete change log unlike on s60 releases | 11:23 |
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| fcrozat | tigert: when I was talking about MfE for gmail, I mean calendar and contacts. Folders (ie mail) is better handled through Nokia Messaging or IMAP ;) | 11:23 |
| fcrozat | and gmail doesn't support MfE for mail IIRC | 11:24 |
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| pillar | asj_ my thoughts exactly too | 11:24 |
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| asj_ | fcrozat: wife just an email from nokia messaging thanking her for trialing the service | 11:24 |
| tigert | fcrozat: yea, i agree | 11:24 |
| timeless_mbp | anyone here have spanish 51-1? | 11:24 |
| * timeless_mbp doesn't want to reboot | 11:24 | |
| * zash wonders why modest is in ubuntus repos, and why the crap it just segfaults | 11:25 | |
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| fcrozat | asj_: it seems my nokia messaging trial is about to expire in february too. Let's hope Orange France has paid Nokia for it (since they announced an deal months ago but still nothing) | 11:25 |
| timeless_mbp | zash: ubuntu mobile | 11:25 |
| zash | timeless_mbp: ic | 11:25 |
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| TriztFromWork | anything that should be uninstalled if upgrading to 51.1 ? | 11:26 |
| * timeless_mbp can't browse es_ES/modest | 11:26 | |
| asj_ | fcrozat: they told her Optus (AU provider she uses) has a data plan just for her ;) | 11:26 |
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| fcrozat | asj_: I'll see. I'm supposed to have already a "email" plan on my account but who knows with ORange ;) | 11:27 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 11:27 | |
| RST38h | Is it possible that OpenSSH interferes with SSU? | 11:27 |
| timeless_mbp | management is annoying | 11:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | they fix bugs, they release their fix, now i have to verify the bugs i filed publicly | 11:28 |
| timeless_mbp | making me do work... | 11:28 |
| zash | timeless_mbp: damn them! | 11:29 |
| pillar | hmm not letting me do OTA updata for some reason.. | 11:29 |
| pillar | saying I should use pc suite | 11:29 |
| timeless_mbp | pillar: how much free space do you have? | 11:30 |
| ifreq | anyone tested mfe with exchange 2003? | 11:30 |
| fcrozat | pillar: it wants to go into no network mode to upgrade. could be that.. | 11:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | ifreq: kinda hard to know | 11:30 |
| timeless_mbp | but isn't there a place where the MfE owner explained which versions are supported | 11:31 |
| timeless_mbp | i use MfE w/ nokia's mail server | 11:31 |
| RST38h | Ah NSU finally clicked | 11:31 |
| pillar | just checked the space, probably too low since I enabled devel again, only 27,1MB in rootfs | 11:31 |
| timeless_mbp | but i have no way (As an end user) to find out which version that is | 11:31 |
| RST38h | I guess, the magic time has come to Ireland finally | 11:31 |
| timeless_mbp | pillar: sounds too low | 11:31 |
| pillar | but would that be the message then? last update just said that there is not enough room | 11:31 |
| karbas | how much does it need to have in rootfs to be able to upgrade | 11:31 |
| RST38h | It says 165MB not 82MB though | 11:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | pillar: make a backup of installed applications | 11:31 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: eh? | 11:32 |
| timeless_mbp | NSU is a flashable image | 11:32 |
| timeless_mbp | the image is always going to be about the same size | 11:32 |
| timeless_mbp | it isn't a delta | 11:32 |
| timeless_mbp | it's "say goodbye to your root file system" | 11:32 |
| ifreq | timeless_mbp: 1.1 should support 2003.. but got problems with it atm. | 11:32 |
| ifreq | im not blind you know | 11:32 |
| timeless_mbp | ifreq: roughly, if you have problems, file bugs, the guys who work on it do want to hear about them | 11:33 |
| timeless_mbp | they're very nice :) | 11:33 |
| * timeless_mbp owes them some complaints | 11:33 | |
| * RST38h says goodbye to his root filesystem | 11:33 | |
| timeless_mbp | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7893 is probably my favorite bug fwiw | 11:33 |
| povbot | Bug 7893: Alarm clock does not wake me up when battery has died. | 11:33 |
| * RST38h wonders what happens when NSU applies that image to a prototype device | 11:33 | |
| ifreq | timeless_mbp: yeh just wanted to hear if anyone else have probs | 11:34 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: say hello to brick? | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: reminds me of a windows IRC server admin that was wondering why his IRCd crashed when he turned off the machine. | 11:34 |
| RST38h | Oh well | 11:34 |
| timeless_mbp | ... | 11:34 |
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| Mozillion | again.. h-a-m doesn't see any update but apt-get dist-upgrade on the commandline does | 11:36 |
| Mozillion | any ideas? | 11:36 |
| timeless_mbp | Mozillion: do you have the meta package? | 11:36 |
| timeless_mbp | because if you don't, it won't | 11:36 |
| timeless_mbp | and it's your fault. | 11:36 |
| ruskie | lol | 11:36 |
| ruskie | well had to reflash rootfs sadly | 11:36 |
| Mozillion | well.. I only installed a few apps from extras and extra-testing.. so I am not aware of that | 11:36 |
| Mozillion | what is it called? | 11:36 |
| tybollt | huzzah | 11:37 |
| tybollt | update requires 98,5 MB >:) | 11:37 |
| tybollt | 95,8 sorry :) | 11:37 |
| thresh | rootfs 227.9M 225.4M 0 100% / | 11:37 |
| thresh | duh | 11:37 |
| thresh | this is while doing install mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 11:38 |
| thresh | :/ | 11:38 |
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| RST38h | /var/lib really has to be optified | 11:38 |
| asj_ | any idea how to purge a broken .deb that won't uninstall even with dpkg --purge -r <pkg> ? | 11:38 |
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| Stskeeps | i really wonder about some people at times | 11:39 |
| tybollt | asj: done apt-get autoclean and apt-get -f install? | 11:39 |
| asj_ | tybollt: let me try | 11:39 |
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| Stskeeps | ogg community with pitchforks: add ogg support to nokia products! for years on end. nokia actually announces they will do so. ogg community: *sound of crickets* | 11:39 |
| RST38h | Sts: As in "are the motherfuckers even human"? =) | 11:39 |
| cosmo | asj_: if the pre/postrm scripts fail, you can disable running them with some dpkg option | 11:40 |
| asj_ | tybollt: still fails, the pre-removal script is failing and won't remove itself | 11:40 |
| asj_ | cosmo: thank you | 11:40 |
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| MohammadAG | oh pr1.1 is out | 11:40 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG: go for it =) | 11:41 |
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| RST38h | Sts: These will be http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/issues.htm | 11:41 |
| ifreq | http://www.nokiausa.com/search?page=1&cat=support&qt=N900+and+exchange+2003&np=products,services&cnt=1&fullcontent=true | 11:41 |
| ifreq | *sigh* | 11:41 |
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| mece1 | RST38h, did you get your phone updated? | 11:41 |
| MaemohammadAG | not enough memory grrr | 11:42 |
| RST38h | mece: Apparently yes | 11:42 |
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| Mozillion | timeless_mbp: ? | 11:42 |
| MaemohammadAG | how do i move and symlink again? last time i ended up losing apt | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | ifreq: the typo makes it very convincing | 11:42 |
| Corsac | back | 11:42 |
| ifreq | Stskeeps: oh | 11:42 |
| timeless_mbp | Mozillion: ham does updates of the maemo system by updating a single meta package | 11:42 |
| timeless_mbp | if you delete the meta package, it can't update it .. | 11:43 |
| ifreq | Stskeeps: even the mfe pages on maemo wiki now says so | 11:43 |
| Mozillion | yes, I understand... but what is the name? | 11:43 |
| ifreq | but im sure i saw 2003 mentioned on pr.1.1 notes :P | 11:43 |
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| wazd | hello maemo | 11:43 |
| lcuk | hiya wazd! | 11:43 |
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| * RST38h found a bug in Backup App | 11:44 | |
| Mozillion | ah.. mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 11:44 |
| RST38h | heya wazd | 11:44 |
| Mozillion | indeed.. it got deinstalled at some point... | 11:46 |
| mece1 | MaemohammadAG, I did this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=468063&postcount=1 (#3 on that page) | 11:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | Mozillion: so... how / when / why did you remove it? | 11:48 |
| red | why is a finnish news site boasting about nokia launching a big firmware update yesterday | 11:48 |
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| Mozillion | timeless_mbp: well.. if I try to install it, it complains of my readline5 libs not to have the correction version.. so probably something force readline to update forcing the metapkg to be removed? | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | red: PR1.0.1 and misunderstanding? :P | 11:48 |
| timeless_mbp | Mozillion: sounds right | 11:49 |
| timeless_mbp | red: slow news country | 11:49 |
| timeless_mbp | red: but it's better than them boasting about 41-1 :) | 11:49 |
| red | the newssite said that they released 1.1 :p | 11:49 |
| timeless_mbp | err 44-1 | 11:49 |
| red | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1 | 11:49 |
| timeless_mbp | red: maybe they did at 11:59pm ? | 11:49 |
| smaug | before updating to 1.1, are there any known serious bugs in it? | 11:49 |
| timeless_mbp | smaug: it works better | 11:50 |
| timeless_mbp | that's a bug | 11:50 |
| smaug | oh, that is a very serious one | 11:50 |
| timeless_mbp | i've been using it for a month or so now | 11:50 |
| xorAxAx | ruskie: hmm? :) | 11:50 |
| red | I thought the firmware update I installed yesterday was just a minor patch and that a big one is coming :D | 11:50 |
| smaug | ok, sounds good | 11:50 |
| timeless_mbp | smaug: and 'the browser update is not in 1.1' | 11:50 |
| * smaug updates | 11:50 | |
| timeless_mbp | and 'you need to use ctrl-shift-o to trigger portrait mode support in the browser' | 11:50 |
| smaug | timeless_mbp: but email client update is? | 11:50 |
| tybollt | red: this one today is the "big one" | 11:50 |
| xorAxAx | Jaffa: there is no ovi category | 11:50 |
| Mozillion | pff.. odd.. the update needs 95MB.. I have 70MB free.. but if I look in the app manager I only got 8MB worth of apps installed | 11:50 |
| timeless_mbp | smaug: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1 has the list of fixes | 11:50 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: oh they did include protrait mode huh? | 11:51 |
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| timeless_mbp | tybollt: see the quotes | 11:51 |
| timeless_mbp | it's not a user facing feature | 11:51 |
| timeless_mbp | but you're free to use it if you don't mind using your fingers | 11:51 |
| smaug | 89Mb | 11:51 |
| smaug | not too bad | 11:51 |
| smaug | "backup", hah | 11:51 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: I'm entirely w/ michal jerz on this one in that I can't seem to understand the necesity... but perhaps now it is there I may find a use for it... *shrug* | 11:52 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't know michal jerz | 11:52 |
| tybollt | my-maemo.com | 11:52 |
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| smaug | hmm, I have only 1MB 3G connection... why didn't I use my wlan | 11:52 |
| red | tybollt: ohh, didn't see it yet in updates | 11:52 |
| red | gotta refresh | 11:52 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: tbh, i rarely use portrait mode | 11:52 |
| timeless_mbp | but it is "shiny" | 11:52 |
| MaemohammadAG | after disabling all repos i still don't have enough space | 11:52 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: exactly :D | 11:52 |
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| hrw | morning | 11:53 |
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| MaemohammadAG | morning hrw | 11:53 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: it gives a ui designer and a couple of engineers something to do | 11:53 |
| timeless_mbp | plus testers | 11:53 |
| tybollt | MaemohammadAG: reboot and do try apt-get autoclean and apt-get -f install | 11:53 |
| hrw | so today is 1.1 release? | 11:53 |
| sgbirch | what is the best way to tell if the minor patch has been installed? | 11:53 |
| MaemohammadAG | tybollt, already done those | 11:53 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: ;) | 11:53 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: so everyone claims | 11:54 |
| tybollt | MaemohammadAG: uninstall apps I suppose? | 11:54 |
| timeless_mbp | sgbirch: settings>about (product) | 11:54 |
| red | tybollt, timeless_mbp: I love portrait mode for using the phone while driving/doing stuff that requires one hand | 11:54 |
| tybollt | no | 11:54 |
| timeless_mbp | red: you surf while driving? | 11:54 |
| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: what do I look for? | 11:54 |
| timeless_mbp | that's gotta be much worse than drunk driving | 11:54 |
| tybollt | YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO POKE YOUR CELL PHONE WHILE DRIVING A VEHICLE. | 11:54 |
| timeless_mbp | sgbirch: the version number | 11:54 |
| tybollt | please people - get that into your heads | 11:54 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt++ | 11:54 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt++ | 11:54 |
| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: which should be? | 11:54 |
| Corsac | timeless_mbp: hmhm, ctrl+shift+O doesn't do anything here | 11:55 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: will have to check then does h-a-m got fixed | 11:55 |
| timeless_mbp | sgbirch: what does it say? | 11:55 |
| red | I worked as a truck driver, driving 80km/h, interstates for hours | 11:55 |
| timeless_mbp | Corsac: you press it once, then close the keyboard | 11:55 |
| Corsac | k | 11:55 |
| timeless_mbp | and hold the phone in portrait mode | 11:55 |
| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: 1.2009.42-11.203.2 | 11:55 |
| red | I did read facebook/news from phone while driving :p | 11:55 |
| timeless_mbp | err orientation | 11:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | sgbirch: 42-11 is sales/FCS | 11:55 |
| timeless_mbp | 44-1 is 1.0.1/bridge | 11:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | 51-1 is 1.1/first feature update | 11:56 |
| thresh | do i need to reboot after installing new mp-fremantle-generic-pr? | 11:56 |
| timeless_mbp | thresh: um | 11:56 |
| timeless_mbp | i have no idea how that's going to work | 11:56 |
| timeless_mbp | since part of installing it involves the system doing magic | 11:56 |
| MaemohammadAG | tybollt, can't I just move the cache dir and symlink it? | 11:56 |
| red | timeless_mbp: also using mediabox in portrait mode > in landscape | 11:56 |
| timeless_mbp | including changing your cellmo | 11:56 |
| BabelO_ | morning everybody | 11:56 |
| taljurf | i'm trying to install the maemo sdk but i'm having a problem | 11:56 |
| timeless_mbp | red: we're only talking about the web browser | 11:56 |
| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: what does FCS stand for? | 11:57 |
| tybollt | MaemohammadAG: ehr I wouldn't know | 11:57 |
| red | i just commented to one line, multitasking here x) | 11:57 |
| red | sorry | 11:57 |
| ifreq | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1 <-- is this all valid data | 11:57 |
| taljurf | anybody knows about the sdk? | 11:57 |
| ifreq | getting chaotic response is there or isnt a ex2003 support atm :P | 11:57 |
| timeless_mbp | FCS - Internet Acronym Server | 11:57 |
| timeless_mbp | FCS: Butts AAF airport (code) [United States]: File Control Systemction: First Customer Ship ... Not the acronym you meant? Try the ACE Acronym Creator ... | 11:57 |
| timeless_mbp | acronyms.silmaril.ie/cgi-bin/uncgi/acronyms?FCS | 11:57 |
| timeless_mbp | 'first customer ship' | 11:57 |
| timeless_mbp | it isn't an acronym nokia uses | 11:57 |
| thresh | wow, new splashscreen | 11:57 |
| thresh | blue line :) | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | well, old | 11:58 |
| timeless_mbp | thresh: that's an updating thing | 11:58 |
| thresh | ah, okay | 11:58 |
| timeless_mbp | and maemo has always had various flavors of that | 11:58 |
| sgbirch | timeless_mbp: ahhh .. ok | 11:58 |
| timeless_mbp | light blue/blue/green | 11:58 |
| thresh | i don't think i updated my n810 this way | 11:58 |
| ColdFyre | i want to disable the splash screen all together and just see the kernel messages scrolling | 11:58 |
| timeless_mbp | if you used the flasher, it did | 11:58 |
| tybollt | but meh... now 1.1 is out ... must find something else to whine/rant about... what an anti-climax ;-) | 11:58 |
| timeless_mbp | ColdFyre: there's a kernel package from someone that supports that | 11:58 |
| thresh | theni simply don't remember that then :) | 11:58 |
| ColdFyre | really? where? | 11:58 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: you can complain that the browser engine update isn't there :) | 11:58 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: hehe :) | 11:59 |
| timeless_mbp | really. dunno. | 11:59 |
| RST38h | Ah, the device is getting HOT | 11:59 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: you were asking, right? | 11:59 |
| RST38h | tybollt: Ah, just whine about Ovi maps and Modest | 11:59 |
| RST38h | These two are eternal | 11:59 |
| * tybollt complains about "the browser engine update isn't there" yet | 11:59 | |
| tybollt | ;) | 11:59 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: you could also complain that you didn't have enough time to complain that 44-1 didn't fix your favorite pet bugs :) | 11:59 |
| tybollt | haha | 11:59 |
| red | what are GLES -apps? | 11:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | red: google. | 11:59 |
| timeless_mbp | speaking of ovi | 12:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | did it get fullscreen mode in 51-1? | 12:00 |
| * timeless_mbp accidentally opens maps | 12:00 | |
| ruskie | lol | 12:00 |
| thresh | ueah, updated device at least boots | 12:00 |
| timeless_mbp | it did | 12:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | tap the bottom right corner | 12:00 |
| BabelO_ | i ve a question about the maemo upgrade, it seem that the online upgrade use only system fs which can't have enough space :( | 12:00 |
| Wolfie | ooh! Airport isn't at all choppy anymore! respect | 12:01 |
| Wolfie | i imagine labyrith is smooth aswell | 12:01 |
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| ifreq | BabelO_: did you try it? | 12:01 |
| timeless_mbp | you can still complain that ovi maps eats valuable screen real estate @North | 12:01 |
| thresh | gui looks faster and more responsive | 12:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | instead of south | 12:01 |
| * swc|666 solders a 1gb nand | 12:01 | |
| ruskie | swc|666, that would certainly be nice | 12:01 |
| ruskie | or atleast 512mb | 12:01 |
| thresh | \o/ | 12:01 |
| swc|666 | yep | 12:01 |
| swc|666 | doable | 12:02 |
| Corsac | ColdFyre: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Kernel#Installing_my_custom_kernel | 12:02 |
| timeless_mbp | BabelO: yes, the system wants to live on the rootfs | 12:02 |
| timeless_mbp | BabelO: create a backup of your "application list" | 12:02 |
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| Corsac | ColdFyre: as always, beware when installing binary blobs from random users | 12:02 |
| timeless_mbp | then uninstall your third party apps | 12:02 |
| timeless_mbp | then update | 12:02 |
| timeless_mbp | then open backup and restore them | 12:02 |
| jon1012 | how to know which installed apps are not optified ? | 12:02 |
| jon1012 | to remove them ? | 12:02 |
| timeless_mbp | if you're lucky, you'll get everything | 12:02 |
| ColdFyre | hm, i am ballsy enough to build my own kernel :p | 12:02 |
| pillar | does anyone know what is the minimum free space needed for the update? | 12:02 |
| ColdFyre | if it's jsut a matter of doing that | 12:02 |
| jon1012 | (since I want to update but I have to free space on root partition before) | 12:02 |
| timeless_mbp | jon1012: i think the target is something like 80mb | 12:03 |
| jon1012 | ughhhh | 12:03 |
| tybollt | that's going to get "interesting" for the service centers... | 12:03 |
| timeless_mbp | but the problem is that the rootfs is compressed | 12:03 |
| jon1012 | I only have 39 :( | 12:03 |
| timeless_mbp | so it's really hard to know how meaningful that number is | 12:03 |
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| MaemohammadAG | 1069 upgraded, 5 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 12:03 |
| RST38h | tybollt: actually not, as there is the NSU option | 12:03 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd try to get +10mb at a time and try to update | 12:03 |
| BabelO_ | ifreq, i can't update as the upgrade 51 is 89 Mb and i never had 89 Mb on my device system root | 12:03 |
| MaemohammadAG | what's the symlink cmd | 12:04 |
| tybollt | RST38h: fair enough, NSU will take care of updating a device even one the user's clobbered by means of repartitioning etc? | 12:04 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: yeah, service centers will at most create a backup, use their NSU flasher equivalent | 12:04 |
| timeless_mbp | and return the device | 12:04 |
| RST38h | tybollt: Users who repartition know better than call service centers | 12:04 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: oh, users dumb enough to do that get what they deserve | 12:05 |
| tybollt | I'm _not_ against hacking the device. I'm _very much_ against noobs frivolously trhashing their devices generating lots of overhead for support-people so they can't deal w/ actual problems. | 12:05 |
| timeless_mbp | the software they have is fully capable of wiping out the eMMC too | 12:05 |
| BabelO_ | timeless_mbp, yes i have to do that or download deb file, put it on /opt and start it by hand ? :) | 12:05 |
| timeless_mbp | however the update doesn't do much if anything to the eMMC so it doesn't matter | 12:05 |
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| tybollt | fair enough | 12:05 |
| RST38h | Ahahaha, My-Symbian guy discovers portrait mode! | 12:06 |
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| tybollt | and there you go a progress-bar on the nokia screen | 12:06 |
| tybollt | >:) | 12:06 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: since you seem aware. can you look into https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6201 for me? | 12:06 |
| povbot | Bug 6201: libnice violates Debian packaging policy for description of package "libnice0" | 12:06 |
| timeless_mbp | afaict it isn't fixed | 12:06 |
| ruskie | lol | 12:06 |
| ruskie | my device simply didn't want to boot | 12:06 |
| ruskie | just get rebooting the NOKIA logo | 12:06 |
| RST38h | But of course he is still pissed as Nokia took away his red pill mode | 12:06 |
| ruskie | tried reflashing nolo,kernel and cmt but that didn't help so in the end had to do a fell reflash | 12:07 |
| RST38h | http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41119&sid=37 <=== news to me =) | 12:07 |
| timeless_mbp | ruskie: i hope your work was saved on another computer.. | 12:07 |
| ruskie | I'm not deing that on the device yet :) | 12:07 |
| Corsac | timeless_mbp: not fixed here either | 12:08 |
| ruskie | and I did run the backup app before the upgrade | 12:08 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: sorry I'm not affiliated w/ the project in that regard... | 12:08 |
| ruskie | so I don't have any hassle with that | 12:08 |
| timeless_mbp | Corsac: wanna comment? | 12:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | tybollt: affiliated here = have a device running 51-1 | 12:08 |
| timeless_mbp | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1 claims it's fixed | 12:08 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: oh well let me try that then | 12:09 |
| RST38h | Ah, my personal pet peeve is fixed: NO MORE EQUALISER ICON! | 12:09 |
| tybollt | sure | 12:09 |
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| MaemohammadAG | moved and symlinked :D | 12:09 |
| Corsac | timeless_mbp: done | 12:09 |
| timeless_mbp | thanks | 12:09 |
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| tybollt | RST38h: yes what the hell was that icvon all about anyway? | 12:09 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: eh?! | 12:09 |
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| * RST38h actually made a package to FIX the equaliser icon, but removing it completely is also ok | 12:09 | |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: are you sure? | 12:09 |
| timeless_mbp | i coulda sworn it was still there | 12:10 |
| RST38h | tybollt: Some engineer's attempt at art | 12:10 |
| tybollt | it is still there | 12:10 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: finnish engineers are stupid :) | 12:10 |
| msanchez | a humble link to help those having problems with OTA update to pr1.1: http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting | 12:10 |
| tybollt | RST38h: what timeless_mbp says - it is still there | 12:10 |
| timeless_mbp | the item goes to 'now playing' | 12:10 |
| timeless_mbp | the idea is that an equalizer shows what is 'now playing' | 12:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | the icon should have been a spinning CD or a musical note w/ a play/pause icon | 12:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | but they insisted on this icon | 12:10 |
| RST38h | tybollt: not in the applet | 12:10 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: who uses the applet? | 12:11 |
| RST38h | tybollt: as to the player itself, we can still fix it pretty easily ;) | 12:11 |
| pillar | msanchez: thank you | 12:11 |
| tybollt | RST38h: for me it is right there next to the battery icon in the status panel/applet/thingamajig | 12:11 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: pretty please | 12:11 |
| timeless_mbp | actually, wazd: pretty please | 12:11 |
| RST38h | tybollt: Just need to talk wazd into making a new one (I am currently using the one from GNOME volume control) | 12:11 |
| msanchez | the wiki is an effor to try to help people suffering the common problems (most likely due to have manually installed packages out of the AppManager) | 12:12 |
| ruskie | the two things I would like to see on the N900 no matter what... uboot and an initramfs one could use to solve problems | 12:12 |
| msanchez | if you find something wrong or missing, please go ahead and edit it :-) | 12:12 |
| tybollt | and btw - since I am from sweden... No finish engineers are quite brilliant, the problem is they're drunk all the time (sorry for the lame joke). ;) | 12:12 |
| * RST38h seriously considers checking out XTerm and finally fixing it | 12:12 | |
| RST38h | Then uploading it back to garage, just to piss designated maintainer off | 12:12 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: pretty please | 12:13 |
| timeless_mbp | heck, i'll send you 5usd today by paypal if you do | 12:13 |
| ColdFyre | i wonder why that guy does not jsut post the .config | 12:13 |
| RST38h | timeless: it is $65/hr | 12:13 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry, i could do it myself | 12:13 |
| timeless_mbp | but you could get 5usd from a bunch of us | 12:13 |
| RST38h | Which kinda lowers chances of the above thing happening, until I run out of projects | 12:13 |
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| slonopotamus | :( | 12:14 |
| slonopotamus | browser doesn't go in portrait mode for me | 12:14 |
| RST38h | Ctrl_Shift-O, no? | 12:14 |
| slonopotamus | does do anything | 12:14 |
| timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: you used ctrl-shift-o, closed the keyboard and held the phone in portrait orientation? | 12:14 |
| Corsac | ColdFyre: jebba is right here if you need him :) | 12:14 |
| timeless_mbp | the keyboard being open will prevent it from flipping | 12:15 |
| ColdFyre | ahh :) | 12:15 |
| slonopotamus | timeless_mbp: ooooh | 12:15 |
| Corsac | timeless_mbp: I think the device need to be in portrait orientation before using ctrl+shift+o | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | ... | 12:15 |
| Corsac | but not sure | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | no. | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | Corsac: remember, this is the app i actually work on | 12:15 |
| RST38h | slonopotamus: apparently there are now about:config settings to enable this stuff by default | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | and i've had this image running for a lot longer than you guys :) | 12:15 |
| RST38h | slono: Just need to catch romaxa and interrogate =) | 12:15 |
| Corsac | ColdFyre: btw, you can just checkout the sources | 12:15 |
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| Corsac | ColdFyre: http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/dists/unstable/main/source/kernel_2.6.28-20094102.6+0m14/kernel_2.6.28-20094102.6+0m14.dsc | 12:16 |
| rlinfati | what flash first? the combined image or the emmc ? | 12:16 |
| Corsac | config will be there | 12:16 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: iirc most of these are in .browser not prefs, but whatever | 12:16 |
| timeless_mbp | rlinfati: don't flash emmc unless you want to lose all your data | 12:16 |
| timeless_mbp | rlinfati: combined = the os | 12:17 |
| ColdFyre | nice! thanks | 12:17 |
| timeless_mbp | (and cellmo and some other bits) | 12:17 |
| tybollt | besides CS+O being virtually impossible to press at the same time - it does nothing here. | 12:17 |
| rlinfati | timeless_mbp, i want loss all my data.... ( /home/ and /home/user/mydocs ) | 12:17 |
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| Corsac | ColdFyre: and if you just take some time to read the page: http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/scratchbox/kernel/configs/config-2.6.28-20094102.3+0m10 | 12:18 |
| slonopotamus | tybollt: as timeless_mbp said, close kb after that and turn it in portrait orientation | 12:18 |
| tybollt | there you go, cheers | 12:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | rlinfati: well, if you really don't like your /home and /home/user/MyDocs data then go ahead and reflash eMMC | 12:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | but ... you're nuts. | 12:21 |
| tybollt | mmmm nuts... | 12:21 |
| timeless_mbp | yum? | 12:22 |
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| TriztFromWork | yast? | 12:22 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 preders snickers | 12:22 | |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: =D | 12:22 |
| TriztFromWork | mars.... Mmmm... | 12:22 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: =~ s/d/f/ | 12:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yummy | 12:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless: thanx | 12:23 |
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| hrw | Maemo 5 51.1 uses bootsplash which looks like psplash ;D | 12:24 |
| TriztFromWork | I have some apps from devel and testing installed, should I uninstall those before update? | 12:25 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 wants a "DONT PANIC" replacement for shaking hands | 12:25 | |
| hrw | TriztFromWork: I did not uninstalled anything | 12:25 |
| timeless_mbp | Trizt: you can try just updating | 12:25 |
| Jaffa | re | 12:25 |
| timeless_mbp | but personally: | 12:25 |
| timeless_mbp | 1. create a backup | 12:25 |
| timeless_mbp | 2. try to update | 12:26 |
| Jaffa | xorAxAx: In Catorise v0.0.2 there's an "Ovi" category | 12:26 |
| timeless_mbp | 3. if update fails, uninstall stuff (first from devel, then testing if necessary) | 12:26 |
| TriztFromWork | I have a backup from yesterday, so thats ok | 12:26 |
| timeless_mbp | 4. update | 12:26 |
| hrw | shit.. wdgt_bd_done on start.. | 12:26 |
| timeless_mbp | 5. restore from backup | 12:26 |
| rlinfati | timeless_mbp, but... what first? | 12:26 |
| hrw | wdgt_va_24h_time | 12:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | rlinfati: if you really insist on losing your data... | 12:27 |
| hrw | ai_ni_system_update_installed | 12:27 |
| hrw | heh | 12:27 |
| wazd | DocScrutinizer51: simpsons did it | 12:27 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: you seem to be short a locale :) | 12:27 |
| * tybollt cringes - date format not possible to fix - still... | 12:27 | |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: are you using mine? | 12:27 |
| pupnik | ty msanchez - very helpful wiki link | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | is there a diskimage alike way for complete backup (besides dd yesyes) | 12:27 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: no, Polish | 12:27 |
| TriztFromWork | I hope that the update will fix my problem | 12:27 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: cute | 12:27 |
| koala_man | DocScrutinizer51: on the fs level? | 12:28 |
| asjo | I de-installed the meta-package that pulls in modest (to install my own modest package); but I didn't write down the name of the meta-package (D'oh)... Any of you know what it is? | 12:28 |
| hrw | DocScrutinizer51: use dd | 12:28 |
| RST38h | andre:(in case you are around) I am closing Clear-in-xterm and ham-exhausts-rootfs bugs | 12:28 |
| Corsac | tybollt: try to export LC_TIME at the correct place | 12:28 |
| RST38h | ah ok closed already | 12:28 |
| hrw | asjo: mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 12:29 |
| andre__ | RST38h, let me.... | 12:29 |
| andre__ | yeah :-P | 12:29 |
| asjo | hrw: Thanks much! | 12:29 |
| smaug | timeless_mbp: so how to get portrait mode? | 12:29 |
| RST38h | andre: also close colors in ham incorrect (fixed in 44.1) | 12:29 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: I know reason probably | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | smaug: | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | 1. open keyboard | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hrw: I'd like to... humm create a flashable backup, that doesn't need a working system to run dd on it | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | 2. ctrl-shift-o | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | 3. close keyboard | 12:29 |
| RST38h | andre: The Modest shit I would keep in verification for now | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | 4. hold phone in portrait orientation | 12:29 |
| smaug | ah | 12:30 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: rsync -aHx / to /ext2 or 3 sd | 12:30 |
| smaug | a bit strange | 12:30 |
| slonopotamus | yay! | 12:30 |
| slonopotamus | they fixed wifi! | 12:30 |
| hrw | DocScrutinizer51: dd /dev/mtdX where X is proper value | 12:30 |
| tybollt | Corsac: grrr no, that should not be needed. That is upsetting. I can change date format independently from language choice in any fricken nokia - but this phone... :-| | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: i think i can step you through how to make a flashable image out of that | 12:30 |
| andre__ | RST38h: I don't have all bug numbers in my head, IDs welcome - or just do it :-) | 12:30 |
| tybollt | but it's all good - now I still have a thing to rant and rave about ;-P | 12:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: great | 12:31 |
| RST38h | andre: Ok, I will go through them | 12:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: I'll ping you later | 12:31 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: localepurge purged too much | 12:31 |
| zaheer_ | andre__, in the bugs that got fixed with pr1.1 do you want us to confirm they are fixed or only comment if not? | 12:31 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: don't suggest dd | 12:31 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: LOL | 12:32 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: why not? | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: there's a nanddump which people should use | 12:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | dd is going to fail 99% of the time | 12:32 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: I am upgrading sbox now which will give me locales back | 12:32 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: ah, right | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | because there *are* bad blocks in your average nand | 12:32 |
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| tybollt | timeless_mbp: nanddump? that like dump/restore specially for nand? | 12:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | tybollt: guess so | 12:32 |
| andre__ | zaheer_, confirmation ("verified" status) is welcome, as hopefully written already in the message when I closed as "fixed" | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | i've never personally use it | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | i just walk to the nearest nand maintainer and say "here's my dead device, please do something" | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | worksforme | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | your mileage may vary | 12:33 |
| smaug | hmm, email client doesn't still work | 12:34 |
| smaug | or works | 12:34 |
| smaug | but is still a bit slow | 12:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | greedy | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: thanks - will you promise me to document them on wiki when that is? | 12:35 |
| timeless_mbp | smaug: there's a MfE group nouvasync or something | 12:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: sure | 12:35 |
| tybollt | you still can't tell MFE to only sync inbox - what an utter and complete failure :) | 12:35 |
| timeless_mbp | they supposedly work w/ us | 12:35 |
| timeless_mbp | you could try them | 12:35 |
| tybollt | MFE is useless w/out that | 12:35 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: bah | 12:36 |
| timeless_mbp | it's great @nokia | 12:36 |
| timeless_mbp | especially w/ a 3day window | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: ta | 12:36 |
| timeless_mbp | how big is your mailbox as a 3 day window? | 12:36 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: no | 12:36 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: I have a mailfolder !inbox that gets mails _very often_ | 12:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: dfu-util (OM) has -U and -D (up/download). I assume that's not the way any of the maemo flashers work | 12:37 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: I want it to dissregard that folder. | 12:37 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: so it doesn't fins updates there on every sync. | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: in this case just use flasher-3.5 -r ubi.img -f -R | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | but no, it doesn't support download | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | which kinda sucks | 12:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: ack | 12:39 |
| pupnik | In microb, often when i "open in new window", i get the same page i was on. | 12:39 |
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| ifreq | mfe +2003 works ok now. confirmed. | 12:43 |
| lardman | morning | 12:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | pupnik: that's what open in new window is supposed to do | 12:44 |
| timeless_mbp | it didn't say open _link_ in new window | 12:44 |
| timeless_mbp | (see the bug i just filed on the subject) | 12:44 |
| timeless_mbp | it's only supposed to appear if a page is a <frame> or <iframe> not in general | 12:44 |
| lardman | so is PR1.0.1 just a stepping stone to allow the installation of PR 1.1? I.e. by changing the kernel to allow variable ubifs compression, etc? | 12:44 |
| timeless_mbp | lardman: yes | 12:45 |
| pupnik | ah so i missed the link thanks timeless_mbp | 12:45 |
| timeless_mbp | we've been trying to tell people that for a while | 12:45 |
| timeless_mbp | pupnik: it's ok, no one got around to filing a bug about that | 12:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | (until today) | 12:45 |
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| pupnik | Per.. :( | 12:46 |
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| w00t | hmm. anyone in the UK gotten 1.1 yet? I'm not seeing anything available even after jumping through odd hoops | 12:47 |
| ifreq | updated appmanager? | 12:47 |
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| w00t | to put it another way, i'm not seeing any updates :P | 12:48 |
| TheAppleMan | w00t: me neither | 12:48 |
| ifreq | then wait | 12:48 |
| w00t | i'm perfectly capable of waiting, my question was as to whether anyone else in the UK has seen it, not why I am not seeing it | 12:49 |
| xorAxAx | Jaffa: i hjave 0.0.2 but no ovi category. perhaps because i used apt-get install? | 12:49 |
| lardman | timeless: ok, thanks | 12:49 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | No sign of 1.1 for me (UK) | 12:50 |
| lardman | Python gurus, anyone compiled numpy? | 12:50 |
| w00t | Gadgetoid_mbp: ta | 12:50 |
| lardman | Gadgetoid_mbp: is not 1.1, is 1.0.1 | 12:50 |
| w00t | I'll assume peter was wrong then | 12:50 |
| w00t | lardman: er.. | 12:50 |
| w00t | lardman: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40421 | 12:50 |
| lardman | oh I see, and I take it back | 12:51 |
| w00t | :) | 12:51 |
| lardman | hmm, I wonder if they have fixed the Qt problems now then..... | 12:51 |
| lardman | hmm, nice a Changelog :) | 12:52 |
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| thresh | what is "Fast SMS rejection of incoming call" ? | 12:52 |
| mece1 | sounds like the option to send a quick sms when you can't answer. | 12:53 |
| mece1 | do we have that now? | 12:53 |
| lardman | is there anyone here who has upgraded to PR1.1 then, and not the pre-release people? | 12:53 |
| lardman | I'd like to see what repos are enabled | 12:53 |
| mece1 | I have | 12:53 |
| mece1 | oh.. | 12:54 |
| ifreq | lardman: yes | 12:54 |
| mece1 | same as with 1.0.1 | 12:54 |
| Lynoure | hmm "Downloading Maemo 5 failed" without any details | 12:54 |
| flux | for some curious reason the upgrade doesn't appear in the software manager, although it does seem to be accessible via apt-get | 12:54 |
| mece1 | Lynoure, how helpful | 12:54 |
| Lynoure | feels a bit windowsy, that :/ | 12:54 |
| RST38h | Hehe, China bans IMDB! | 12:54 |
| Slasheri | just upgrading with apt-get dist-upgrade, app manager didn't allow to do that | 12:54 |
| mece1 | LOOOOL | 12:54 |
| flux | will I be in a world of pain if I apt-get dist-upgrade it? | 12:54 |
| RST38h | Seems to be in full anal defense mode too | 12:55 |
| pillar | yeah, finally got it upgrading OTA - don't know what it was that I uninstalled that finally did it | 12:55 |
| SpeedEvil | opt-internet. | 12:55 |
| hrw | flux: mp-fremantle-generic-pr uninstalled? | 12:55 |
| lardman | if you end up in one, no-one will throw you a lifering | 12:55 |
| mece1 | It felt safer to just do apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 12:55 |
| flux | hrw, indeed it is. so that's the issue? | 12:55 |
| Slasheri | flux: so far it's working great.. the upgrade should be complete soon | 12:55 |
| flux | I suppose I may have removed its dependency when making more space | 12:55 |
| Lynoure | I suspect that it tries to download to root partition and runs out of space... | 12:55 |
| mece1 | Lynoure, did you use apt? | 12:55 |
| mece1 | app manager does not download to root afaik. | 12:56 |
| Lynoure | mece1: no, the app manager | 12:56 |
| Lynoure | mece1: with apt I would not be running blind... | 12:56 |
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| Slasheri | heh.. W: Bizarre Error | 12:57 |
| Slasheri | and no space left on device | 12:57 |
| Slasheri | apt-get dist-upgrade is not a good idea | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | you people should use app manager for SSU's | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:58 |
| flux | slasheri, I take it you didn't take precautions on the apt-cache space? | 12:58 |
| tg` | hoi | 12:58 |
| Slasheri | flux: i put the apt-cache in /home/user | 12:58 |
| w00t | what Stskeeps said | 12:58 |
| flux | slasheri, interesting :) | 12:58 |
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| Slasheri | indeed | 12:58 |
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| flux | slasheri, so your / is now 0 bytes free? | 12:58 |
| msanchez | Slasheri: apt-get dist-upgrade is not a good idea | 12:58 |
| flux | slasheri, how much did you have to begin with? | 12:58 |
| msanchez | you're right. That's the (only supported) way | 12:59 |
| Slasheri | flux: about 50M | 12:59 |
| msanchez | performing SSU out of the HAM is not guaranteed to work fine | 12:59 |
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| Slasheri | about 6M still free but some packages and the upgrade sequence failed | 12:59 |
| Slasheri | trying to figure out what used the space | 12:59 |
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| mece1 | Slasher, try -f | 12:59 |
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| msanchez | moreover, HAM takes care of some extra checks and tasks to ensure SSU is smoothly installed (such as turning the online mode off) | 13:00 |
| Slasheri | msanchez: ok, trying that | 13:00 |
| Slasheri | mece1 | 13:00 |
| mece1 | perhaps the conflicting packages are taking to much space | 13:00 |
| mece1 | am I mece1? | 13:00 |
| mece1 | eh. | 13:00 |
| mece1 | waitup. | 13:00 |
| flux | I'd love to use the app manager if it just showed the darn update, just like apt does :) | 13:00 |
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| msanchez | and in case something went wrong during the middle of the installation, using HAM you make sure the device will rescue itself during the next boot | 13:00 |
| Lynoure | flux: or if it told me why the download fails. | 13:01 |
| tg | hm, shall i try the upgrade if i only have 35M free on / ? | 13:01 |
| msanchez | so using apt-get you're exposed to harsh solutions if something goes bad | 13:01 |
| mece | no | 13:01 |
| flux | lynoure, well, it doesn't even give me any suggestion to download | 13:01 |
| Slasheri | mece: had to run dpkg --configure -a first | 13:01 |
| flux | lynoure, as if no upgrades are available, whereas apt-get shows that there are | 13:01 |
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| msanchez | take a look at http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting before considering using any other way to update the device ;-) | 13:02 |
| Lynoure | flux: even after reconnecting to network or device restart? | 13:02 |
| mece | Slasheri, interesting. I didn't do anything complicated. Just outsourced apt cache to MyDocs and then apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 13:02 |
| mece | but I had 68Mb free in rootfs | 13:02 |
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| flux | lynoure, well, I restarted the device after an hour ago and it's online alright. and apt-get shows it! | 13:02 |
| msanchez | btw, changing the APT cache from one place to the other could be troublesome in case the rescue mode needed to be executed | 13:02 |
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| Slasheri | mece: interesting.. well, i could destroy the icon cache at least to free up something | 13:02 |
| flux | mece, perhaps I'll try that then, as I have 69M free | 13:02 |
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| dimitris82z | hi all | 13:03 |
| flux | msanchez, but didn't the upgrade use some non-default apt directory anyway? | 13:03 |
| mece | actually now that you mention it, it jammed on 99% on downloads, so I ran the command again, it downloaded one last library that apparently timed out, and then installed. | 13:03 |
| konttori_nokia | Lynoure, just try the update again. | 13:03 |
| mece | then I manually rebooted and viola. | 13:03 |
| konttori_nokia | the dialog is not very informative, I agree. | 13:03 |
| mece | flux, well I still recommend ham if you get it working. | 13:03 |
| msanchez | flux: yes, but apart from that HAM keeps track of the directory used in a log file, and that log file is checked out by the rescue mode to find the deb packages to rescue from in case it was needed | 13:04 |
| dimitris82z | there is a maemo update right now 55.1 ,if i will update i will loose all my email accounts and other settings ? | 13:04 |
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| mece | I was impatient and the conflicting packages were not discovered yet at that time. | 13:04 |
| mece | dimitris82z, no. | 13:04 |
| dimitris82z | mece, thnx :D | 13:04 |
| msanchez | you in case you haven't used HAM for the upgrade and the rescue mode needed to be triggered, you migh find fancy situation :-) | 13:04 |
| hrw | can someone send me /usr/share/locale/pl*/ dirs? | 13:04 |
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| SyncA | hellow | 13:05 |
| hrw | sbox do not updates fully yet ;( | 13:05 |
| msanchez | moreover, you should take care of extra things HAM already does before the upgrade, such as setting the phone in offline mode or closing a lot of processes and apps | 13:05 |
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| msanchez | so I can't do anything else than strongly discourage anyone from using another method than HAM or NSU/flashed | 13:05 |
| Lynoure | konttori_nokia: Maybe 3rd time will be a charm | 13:06 |
| Jaffa | xorAxAx: So, you have 0.0.2, and Bounce doesn't appear anywhere apart from "All"? Can you send me /etc/xdg/menus/hildon.menu and /opt/catorise/menu please? | 13:06 |
| dimitris82z | mece, have they add missed calls list | 13:06 |
| tybollt | msanchez: why? OTA worked perfecly here | 13:06 |
| dimitris82z | ? | 13:06 |
| konttori_nokia | sure. the https stack that HAM is using in the download is not exactly rock stable. | 13:06 |
| msanchez | I'm not saying it won't work, just that it's not supported and that could fail | 13:06 |
| konttori_nokia | (HAM == hildon application manager) | 13:06 |
| msanchez | but most important thing is that it doesn't guarantee nothing... although of course it could work, I don't say the contrary | 13:06 |
| Lynoure | "Downloading 14kB" but not really started with getting that. | 13:07 |
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| tybollt | konttori_nokia: is HAM just wrapping apt or does it do some magic of its own? | 13:07 |
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| msanchez | tybollt: both things | 13:07 |
| Lynoure | konttori_nokia: failed again :/ | 13:07 |
| konttori_nokia | noo.... how much dl do you have left? | 13:08 |
| mece | dimitris82z, not that I can see. | 13:08 |
| konttori_nokia | did it proceed at all? | 13:08 |
| msanchez | HAM wraps apt and offers just a subset of its full power... and on top of that HAM also does some magic on its own, specially when it comes to the SSU package | 13:08 |
| Lynoure | konttori_nokia: the 14kb, now. | 13:08 |
| Lynoure | s/now/no/ | 13:08 |
| infobot | Lynoure meant: konttori_nokia: the 14kb, no. | 13:08 |
| konttori_nokia | so, last 14kb? | 13:08 |
| Lynoure | konttori_nokia: I don't know. First time it was downloading 85M or so, after than jsut 14kB | 13:08 |
| msanchez | that's why using HAM is specially important for the SSU (it's like an life insurance, in case something went wrong) | 13:09 |
| mece | Lynoure, that does sound awkward. | 13:09 |
| konttori_nokia | ok, that means that is has downloaded everything else but the last 14 kb | 13:09 |
| Lynoure | konttori_nokia: Feels like running blind, no idea what's going on. | 13:09 |
| konttori_nokia | do you have connection issue? wlan or 3g? | 13:09 |
| mece | konttori_nokia, interestingly, that seems like the same thing that happened to me with apt. | 13:09 |
| SyncA | to bussy on the update here, BBL, bye | 13:10 |
| dimitris82z | mece, SDK for maemo now is stable edition ? have they put compatibility with QT? or again with scratchbox ? | 13:10 |
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| mece | dimitris82z, no idea. Haven't launched SDK lately. | 13:10 |
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| Slasheri | mece: the install is now continuing after freeing up some space from / | 13:10 |
| dimitris82z | mece, okz thnx agian | 13:11 |
| mece | Slasheri, good to hear. I hope it works out. | 13:11 |
| Slasheri | it did also some modem flashing or things like that when i ran dpkg --configure -a | 13:11 |
| xorAxAx | how long did the update take for you? | 13:11 |
| mece | Slasheri, I wasn't nervous during the (40minute long) download period, but when it started installing the stuff I was biting my nails... | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | fellas, here come the ultimately fast and small and simple successor to liqtorch. So simple you'll have it 'downloaded' after reading this line :-) Open mrcrob, enter 'about:blank' to addressfield, press ctrl-D and select 'desktop shortcut' | 13:11 |
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| qgil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1 updating putting the 2 top issues on top: not enough space & not possible OTA | 13:11 |
| pupnik | i think everyone at summit in amsterdam took pictures of those bicycles... :) | 13:12 |
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| mece | DocScrutinizer, Nice! | 13:12 |
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| pupnik | qgil: s/staggering/staggered or incremental | 13:12 |
| flux | msanchez, but in the end, if an apt-get upgrade goes wrong, NSU would work in any case? | 13:12 |
| mece | qgil, link to this perhaps: http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space | 13:13 |
| msanchez | flux: sure | 13:13 |
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| msanchez | NSU reflashes the rootfs partition | 13:13 |
| msanchez | but make sure you make a backup before :-) | 13:13 |
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| flux | did a backup before 1.0.1, good enough for me ;) | 13:13 |
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| msanchez | I would do another one right before the PR1.0.1 -> PR1.1 upgrade | 13:14 |
| msanchez | but your backup from Pr1.0 should work anyway | 13:14 |
| pillar | hmm any idea what is meant by this on the changelog: Fast call from home shortcuts. | 13:14 |
| dimitris82z | mece, did they allow now to put folders in application lists? and organise ? | 13:14 |
| Slasheri | mece: it did work and now rebooting.. got a new progress bar or something during startup :) | 13:15 |
| * w00t cautiously prods n900 | 13:16 | |
| pillar | I cannot figure out how the calling is faster than it used to be - you tap the shortcut and choose mobile | 13:16 |
| qgil | pupnik mece please edit the page yourselves, appreciated! | 13:16 |
| qgil | must run to a meeting now | 13:17 |
| mece | qgil, will do. | 13:17 |
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| qgil | mece thank you very much, and same for the rest of people here: feel free improving the page as new hot topics arise | 13:18 |
| Slasheri | it works after all o/ | 13:18 |
| qgil | as long as you dont edit the changelog content itself :) | 13:18 |
| nomis | qgil: that changelog rocks. | 13:18 |
| rkc__ | waht is GTK_BOX?? | 13:19 |
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| rkc__ | what si the need of a GTK_BOX? | 13:19 |
| ccooke | Morning, all | 13:19 |
| nomis | rkc__: it is a container widget | 13:20 |
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| konttori_nokia | mece, what was the last package that was downloaded | 13:20 |
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| rkc__ | nomis: could you elaborate on that?? when we need to use that? | 13:20 |
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| rkc__ | for instance.. a window itself a container wideget.. isnt it? | 13:21 |
| nomis | rkc__: yes, but a window is a GTK_BIN, which can contain just a single widget. | 13:21 |
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| nomis | rkc__: a GTK_BOX (or actually HBOX/VBOX, BOX is just the superclass) allows a row/column of widgets, with optional spacing inbetween. | 13:22 |
| mece | konntori_nokia, I don't remember. something containing the word sound :) | 13:22 |
| rkc__ | nomis: oh.. ok.. so when our use case is something like creating a list of menus we need this.. right? | 13:23 |
| mece | s/konntori/konttori | 13:23 |
| mece | oh? I fails | 13:23 |
| rkc__ | as a pack of widget which is supposed to be considered as a single widget.. is my understanding correct? | 13:23 |
| mece | konttori_nokia, I don't remember. something containing the word sound. | 13:23 |
| cosmo | should maemo mapper for fremantle work? mine doesn't find gps receiver | 13:24 |
| nomis | rkc__: for menus there are more convenient widgets available. You generally need a BOX when subdividing your window into different areas. Well, you can use tables as well, but boxes sometimes are more flexible. | 13:24 |
| nomis | rkc__: yeah, that understanding is correct. | 13:24 |
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| Stskeeps | hm, 1664 users on talk.* at midday | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if we're going to break the 1888 record | 13:25 |
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| rkc__ | nomis: is the menu assosicated with window or the program? | 13:26 |
| nomis | rkc__: what menu are you talking about exactly? | 13:26 |
| rkc__ | how can i associate my menubar with program.. that is.. how can i have my menubar through out the program?? | 13:26 |
| rkc__ | which is popped up when we click on the application area | 13:26 |
| pillar | what's new on sdk and development side, I read something about that as well | 13:26 |
| nomis | rkc__: generic GTK+ programming or inside Maemo? | 13:27 |
| smaug | 1.1 has some annoying new sounds | 13:27 |
| smaug | I wonder how to disable those | 13:27 |
| rkc__ | inside maemo | 13:27 |
| bittin| | Morning :) | 13:27 |
| smaug | I'm not even sure what causes them | 13:27 |
| smaug | skype, or network connection or something | 13:27 |
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| Lynoure | hmm, seems it upgraded when I was no longer even considering it would | 13:27 |
| niekt0 | uff, major update? | 13:28 |
| Lynoure | :) | 13:28 |
| nomis | rkc__: then you might want to look into convenience widgets like HildonWindow etc. Been a while since I dealt with those. | 13:28 |
| mece | niekt0, yes. | 13:28 |
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| tybollt | so any word when full ovi.com sync (calendar/phonebook) will be available? | 13:28 |
| rkc__ | nomis: thanks.. i would try wiht that | 13:28 |
| tybollt | that's been the single most sought for feature since I got my device :-/ | 13:28 |
| hrw | lets check does modest in 51.1 works | 13:29 |
| cosmo | evolution sync would be a good start.. | 13:29 |
| ArtVanda1ae | Hi all... I'm writing a GTK+ app for Maemo. It's being written in C, and Glade 3 (GtkBuilder). It compiles and works on both of my desktop machines. I then compile it in scratchbox (no problems), but when I run it, I get "GLIB CRITICAL ** Gtk - gtk_widget_show: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed"... I've googled for this, but no one seems to have come up with the answer. The only think that I could think, that is changing | 13:29 |
| ArtVanda1ae | between the machines is the GTK version, desktop machines are: 2.16.1 (first desktop), 2.18.3 (second desktop), 2.14.7 (Maemo). Could it be that Maemo GTK+ version is understanding the GtkBuilder syntax? | 13:29 |
| ArtVanda1ae | I've also tried to debug it, and it gets to gtk_main(), not problem... I still think the assertion failing is where my problem lies. I can paste code if that would be useful. | 13:31 |
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| kirma | hints how to fix homebrew stuff-on-xterm that broke on firmware update? | 13:32 |
| nomis | ArtVanda1ae: maybe your desktop computers have gtk+-debugging disabled? | 13:32 |
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| kirma | ehh. | 13:32 |
| leon- | is there any way to disable the stupid bootup animation on the device? :| | 13:32 |
| kirma | where has my ssh client gone? | 13:32 |
| kirma | leon: "hands" ? | 13:33 |
| leon- | the sound is reeeeally irritating :) | 13:33 |
| leon- | yep | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | ArtVanda1ae: possibly try in #maemo-devel , more focused channel | 13:33 |
| kirma | it's hackable, see talk.maemo.org something | 13:33 |
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| leon- | kirma, k | 13:33 |
| hrw | ok modest looks much faster | 13:33 |
| hrw | but still suxx | 13:33 |
| ArtVanda1ae | Stskeeps, thanks | 13:33 |
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| testerus | hello, my n900 finaly arrived, but now I am stuck trying to connect to WLAN, Problem is that the key contains the % sign + entering the hex value doesnt work either :( any ideas how to proceed? | 13:34 |
| hrw | heh... nokia should really pay someone to make email client for maemo5 ;( | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | testerus: fn? | 13:35 |
| Tonzas | Anyone created new folders to the maemo menu? How changes take effect? (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=442281&postcount=5) | 13:35 |
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| ccooke | testerus: see the "sym" key on the keyboard? Top right? | 13:35 |
| testerus | on what key should the % be ? | 13:35 |
| ccooke | testerus: you need to use the fn (blue up arrow) with it | 13:35 |
| testerus | I have a germany layout. | 13:35 |
| hrw | Tonzas: install catorise from extras-devel and will get nice folders | 13:35 |
| ccooke | if you do that, you'll get a symbol table to select from | 13:36 |
| Tonzas | hrw: oh ok - ty | 13:36 |
| TriztFromWork | catorise needs a way to customise things, I have some apps that ended in the wrong place IMHO | 13:36 |
| testerus | @ccoke thanks a lot, that works | 13:37 |
| xorAxAx | TriztFromWork: file a bug on the package | 13:37 |
| ccooke | testerus: no problem | 13:37 |
| pillar | TriztFromWork: yeah it would be nice to manually be able to change places, but it's way nice already | 13:37 |
| xorAxAx | yippee, upgrade nearly finished | 13:37 |
| mece | hmm I seem strangely happy about helping noobs with the problems today. Perhaps it's the copious amoiunts of coffee doing it? | 13:38 |
| hrw | TriztFromWork: edit /opt/catorise/menu and run catorise again | 13:38 |
| mece | s/amoiunts/amounts | 13:38 |
| mece | dammm.. why doesn't that work? anyone? | 13:38 |
| pillar | maemo repos seem really slow right now - I wonder why :) | 13:39 |
| mece | hahaha | 13:39 |
| bigon | hi, I´ve just updated to pr1.1 and when I make a apt-get upgrade it still show me some updates, but there is nothing into the application manager is that normal? | 13:39 |
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| ifreq | howto disable peak scheduler on mfe? | 13:42 |
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| bigon | nobody? | 13:44 |
| xorAxAx | ruskie: hmm, the update bricked the device, because it overwrote the mount commands | 13:44 |
| xorAxAx | ruskie: well done :-P any idea? | 13:45 |
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| red | 90Mb space required on rootfs for the Maemo 5 update | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | xorAxAx: well I seem to remember I asked "will it conflict with updates" | 13:49 |
| red | this is going to be difficult | 13:49 |
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| pillar | red 60mb was enough | 13:49 |
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| pillar | using the app manager | 13:49 |
| ruskie | xorAxAx, lol... I thought that was obvious | 13:49 |
| xorAxAx | DocScrutinizer51: he just patched the files directly ... | 13:49 |
| red | I'm still 23 MB away then | 13:49 |
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| xorAxAx | ruskie: well :-P | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | xorAxAx: obviously | 13:49 |
| mece | red, did you check the nice wiki page? | 13:49 |
| ruskie | xorAxAx, in my case I expected it and fixed it but something else went wrong somewhere so had to reflash | 13:50 |
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| ruskie | as in the device wouldn't even boot to the init at all | 13:50 |
| ruskie | I don't think it even hit the kernel | 13:50 |
| ruskie | just NOLO in an endless loop | 13:50 |
| red | mece: with the list of things updated? read about 75% of it | 13:50 |
| xorAxAx | ruskie: thats exactly what is saw as well :-) | 13:50 |
| mece | red I meant the free rootfs space one. | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ruskie: adding a initscript instead of patching an existing one that eventually gets overwritten? | 13:50 |
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| mece | linked on that page. | 13:50 |
| ruskie | DocScrutinizer51, hard | 13:51 |
| ruskie | DocScrutinizer51, need /usr early | 13:51 |
| red | mece: ahh ye, it just said you could back up the application list | 13:51 |
| ruskie | and still need to patch the one with the generation of fstab | 13:51 |
| red | ill read the link ty | 13:51 |
| mece | red, http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space | 13:51 |
| SouBE | did the update package change recently? my download size was merely 4 MB | 13:53 |
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| SouBE | or maybe it was cached from previous download session which was interrupted | 13:53 |
| mece | SouBE, did you try it before? | 13:54 |
| xorAxAx | umm, do i need to download 42-11 or 51-1? | 13:55 |
| mece | SouBE, when I did it, the download jammed on 99%, so I ctrl-c and did the same again, this time only a couple of kb was downloaded and it started installing. | 13:55 |
| SouBE | ok, it was the same case with me | 13:55 |
| mece | xorAxAx, 51-1 i guess. | 13:55 |
| ruskie | xorAxAx, 51-1 | 13:55 |
| mece | SouBE, did you see what the package was called that was left? | 13:55 |
| SouBE | no | 13:56 |
| ruskie | I basically had to repeat all the steps in the instructions other than repartitioning and formating | 13:56 |
| mece | k. | 13:56 |
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| cehteh | i guess camera app can only store to fat filesystem isnt fixed or? | 13:57 |
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| xorAxAx | ruskie: maybe one shouldnt delete /usr from / :) | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 51-1???? o.O | 13:58 |
| ruskie | xorAxAx, it's an option | 13:58 |
| ruskie | DocScrutinizer51, that's what has been released as PR1.1 | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | has been?? | 13:58 |
| ruskie | what? | 13:58 |
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| * ccooke is waiting impatiently for PR1.1 to turn up OTA for him | 13:59 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | seems I lived under a stone last few days | 13:59 |
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| neal | one of my n900's has been updating for over an hour and the progress bar has not moved (it's stuck just before the U). Is there a way to see a log to determine if it is really stuck? Should I just reboot it at this point? (Another n900 took 30 minutes to completely update) | 13:59 |
| ruskie | DocScrutinizer51, happened today | 13:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | oooh | 13:59 |
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| ccooke | (Anyone else in the UK already got it?) | 13:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SSU? | 13:59 |
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| w00t | ccooke: my girlfriend has it, I don't >:( | 14:00 |
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| ccooke | w00t: annoying! | 14:00 |
| SpeedEvil | oooh | 14:00 |
| w00t | yes | 14:00 |
| w00t | she's busily going "ha-ha, exchange 2003 works for me" and similar things | 14:00 |
| * ccooke is trying to be patient and not just do a firmware update | 14:00 | |
| * w00t also | 14:00 | |
| mece | is it the 203 one that is the uk version? | 14:01 |
| papo | ah this is not cool. The intermediate update never showed up on my N900. Now the big firmware is out and yet I cannot update. And even if I could, I would have to use the nokia software update thing which probably does not exist for linux? | 14:02 |
| hrw | let me check my bugs | 14:02 |
| papo | any way to force the polling for updates? | 14:02 |
| w00t | 203 and 205 are both UK variants afaik, one of them is vodaphone | 14:02 |
| frals | go app manger and "update" | 14:02 |
| papo | frals: I did | 14:03 |
| neal | papo: Do you not see the first update in the app manager? | 14:03 |
| Corsac | hmhm, I'm puzzled, the apt source is the same for everybody isn't it? | 14:03 |
| papo | frade: it offered me to update the flashlight app but nothing else | 14:03 |
| neal | papo: I did both updates one after the other | 14:03 |
| papo | neal: I don't see any. If I would see both that would be helpful, though | 14:03 |
| mece | Corsac, no, there are different sources for uk, us and global | 14:03 |
| Corsac | ok | 14:04 |
| mece | I'm curious though, would you not be able to use the global firmware in the UK? | 14:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah - I only get update to gnuplot | 14:05 |
| hrw | FUCK | 14:05 |
| hrw | nokia you MORONS!@ | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | a small but important change in pr1.1 (for the OS hackers), http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/01/small-but-important-update-in-pr11.html | 14:05 |
| RST38h | hrw: They are? | 14:05 |
| hrw | calendar is broken even more | 14:05 |
| hrw | brb | 14:05 |
| papo | mece: I either flashed the global or the general firmware back then and it certainly works here... still not sure what the differences are | 14:05 |
| frals | Stskeeps: wow, thats pretty awesome | 14:06 |
| Bluewind | papo: you can use apt-get dist-upgrade | 14:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: neat | 14:06 |
| Bluewind | first run normal update though | 14:06 |
| Bluewind | upgrade* | 14:06 |
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| mece | so the impatient can just change the repo and install global :) | 14:06 |
| * w00t logs into tabletsdev. and tries to resist downloading from there. | 14:06 | |
| odin_ | is PR1.1 the next major release ? (but as yet not date known) what is the current PR#.# version I am on now in 44-1 ? | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | odin_: PR1.1 is arriving over the globe today | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | PR1.0.1 is 44-1 | 14:07 |
| papo | Bluewind: hm aptitude dist-upgrade seems to give me the small update (~25 MB) | 14:07 |
| ivan4th | did anyone succeed in installing PR1.1 via apt-get? My N900 is repartitioned and I'm thinking of using apt-get to upgrade and then fixing initscripts before reboot... | 14:07 |
| papo | Bluewind: I'll try that, thank you | 14:07 |
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| ifreq | ivan4th: dont use apt-get for it | 14:07 |
| mece | ivan4th, I installed over apt-get | 14:07 |
| ifreq | ah okay | 14:07 |
| mece | ivan4th, but apparently you shouldn't | 14:07 |
| Bluewind | mine is running atm | 14:07 |
| ifreq | repartitioning ftw | 14:07 |
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| papo | oooook guys it's downloading, you have 30 seconds left to decide whether I should abort it | 14:07 |
| Bluewind | why not use apt-get? | 14:08 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: why does it check slide state? o.O | 14:08 |
| ivan4th | as far as i understand I'm guaranteed to brick my device unless I use apt-get | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: best way to detect if you want bootmenu | 14:08 |
| matthew- | Stskeeps: Another update today? | 14:08 |
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| Stskeeps | matthew-: aye, the big one | 14:08 |
| ifreq | matthew-: just one. 1.1 | 14:08 |
| frals | hmm... did 51-1 not change the hostname either? :D | 14:08 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: mmm, I would have thought just checking if the .sh existed would have done, but I suppose it's a minor detail.. good news anyway | 14:08 |
| matthew- | ifreq: i mean, there was one just a few days back, right? | 14:08 |
| papo | hmk I'll go to my office and try to get the big firmware from there... cya later | 14:08 |
| papo | and thank you | 14:08 |
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| ifreq | matthew-: yeah "bridge" patch.. 1.0.1.. to prepare for pr1.1 | 14:08 |
| matthew- | aaah ok | 14:09 |
| matthew- | but the pr1.1 is not out yet, right ? | 14:09 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps / GeneralAntilles / Jaffa / ... | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: people can probably develop tools to start repartitioning very early etc | 14:09 |
| red | is | 14:09 |
| timeless_mbp | matthew-: 1.1 is out | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | like make /home bigger, etc | 14:09 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQgSZXP6qAs :D | 14:10 |
| timeless_mbp | but you can't install 1.1 w/o first installing 1.0.1 | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: yes - being able to do stuff in early boot is cool. | 14:10 |
| matthew- | ive got 1.0.1 | 14:10 |
| red | 40MB free space on rootfs now | 14:10 |
| * pupnik pictures maemo.org server room getting very warm | 14:10 | |
| red | *hard work* | 14:10 |
| pupnik | what did you free up? | 14:10 |
| wazd | RST38h: epic win :D | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: Everything from repartitioning to early-ssh/fbconsole | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: wooooooohooooooooo | 14:10 |
| Bluewind | 20mb free on /; moving apt caches away helps a lot | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ruskie: seen Stskeeps post | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ? | 14:11 |
| odin_ | Stskeeps, can I boot my own alternative kernel with that now? but keep Maemo5 (I want that manual control per-bootup) | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | odin_: someone needs to play with tony lindgren's kexecp atch | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | and get it working on 2.6.28 | 14:12 |
| red | pupnik: optified python and removed few apps, rebooted for carbage collection | 14:12 |
| ruskie | DocScrutinizer51, ? | 14:12 |
| ruskie | DocScrutinizer51, link | 14:12 |
| pupnik | http://www.flickr.com/photos/timsamoff/2884782903/in/set-72157607469693966/ i think this expresses my sediments | 14:12 |
| hrw | heh.. | 14:12 |
| SpeedEvil | I am unsure why I've suddenly got only 8M on / - it used to be 40 | 14:12 |
| * hrw want real fixes | 14:12 | |
| pupnik | ty red, i forgot the reboot | 14:12 |
| red | nokia could have launched the update in two parts :) | 14:12 |
| odin_ | Stskeeps, I have Linux kernel experience (some years ago mind) but thats do-able, just no ARM asm experneice yet (but I have some userspace bespoke thread stuff to port over the coming months) | 14:12 |
| hrw | SpeedEvil: /var/cache/apt/archives not on mmc? | 14:12 |
| hrw | SpeedEvil: I had ~45MB free and still have | 14:13 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Yup? | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | odin_: alright,: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=434110&postcount=40 | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ruskie: 130522 <Stskeeps> a small but important change in pr1.1 (for the OS hackers), http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/01/small-but-important-update-in-pr11.html | 14:13 |
| SpeedEvil | hrw: Actually - on reflection - it was 28M - it was 8M last night - after I blew away the cache. It won't simply redownload what it needs? | 14:14 |
| ruskie | ow sweet | 14:14 |
| ruskie | but what if it doesn't get to init at all... | 14:14 |
| ruskie | or the kernel | 14:14 |
| red | pupnik: 40,6MB and the update started downloading (before it said I not enough space) | 14:14 |
| ccooke | Hmm. No UK version of the flash image yet. Damn. Maybe I should wait for the SSU | 14:14 |
| ivan4th | btw, I've got GNU CLISP running on N900. It was HARD (involved ARM assembly hacking)... Anyone here interested in this? | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: then you resort to mmc booting :P | 14:14 |
| red | Anyone know if the update will install with just 40MB on rootfs free? | 14:14 |
| ruskie | Stskeeps, on the n900??? how? | 14:14 |
| matthew- | ivan4th: | 14:14 |
| matthew- | ifreq: posix pls :D | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: well, put mmc modules in kernel, adjust root..? | 14:15 |
| ruskie | Stskeeps, considering that if nolo can't do anything with the kernel even that won't help I think | 14:15 |
| Bluewind | red: where is your apt cache? | 14:15 |
| ruskie | I need to start working on an initramfs | 14:15 |
| pupnik | ivan4th: congrats, and yes some people will appreciate it. | 14:15 |
| ruskie | then atleast there'll be some decent rescue | 14:15 |
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| Stskeeps | ruskie: it should be trivial to make a sd thing to dd onto | 14:16 |
| ruskie | Stskeeps, also one key thing missing still in the kernel to make bootmenu.sh actually usable... fbcon by default | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: agreed, but noone says we can't add .kos. | 14:16 |
| hrw | "You tried to change the Version field from 5.0/(1.2009.42-11) to 5.0/(2.2009.51-1) , but only the assignee or reporter of the bug, or a sufficiently empowered user may change that field. " | 14:16 |
| red | Bluewind: I dunno. I did apt-get clean | 14:16 |
| hrw | andre__: #7127 is present in 51.1 | 14:17 |
| ivan4th | pupnik: here's the patch for clisp 2.48 http://depni.sinp.msu.ru/~ivan_iv/clisp-fremantle-patch.diff I'm currently trying to get ffcall working. Older effort for N8x0 was not sufficient | 14:17 |
| red | doesn't that clean it up? | 14:17 |
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| ruskie | Stskeeps, hmm good point | 14:17 |
| red | Bluewind: it's in default location I'd presume anyway | 14:17 |
| asj_ | red: docs says it needs 45 | 14:17 |
| ruskie | I'd still be happier if we could get uboot there | 14:17 |
| ruskie | instead of nolo | 14:17 |
| Bluewind | red: ah well I think you have to move it to /opt because iirc it dled nearly 100mb here | 14:17 |
| andre__ | hrw, just add a comment. Thanks a lot for testing! :) | 14:17 |
| mece | ruskie, I think it's quite describing that "nolo" means embarassed :D | 14:18 |
| ruskie | I doubt that feature would have saved me from reflashing today | 14:18 |
| red | Bluewind: any instructions how to do that anywhere? ty asj_. | 14:18 |
| Bluewind | yeah it did | 14:18 |
| * TriztFromWork can now use his Hi3G SIM | 14:18 | |
| asj_ | red: look on the wiki | 14:18 |
| hrw | andre__: added | 14:18 |
| ruskie | still usable for those that play with pivot_roots and so on | 14:18 |
| ivan4th | pupnik: the most surprising thing was accidental ARM endianness switch. Nearly broke my brain trying to debug it | 14:18 |
| Bluewind | mv /var/cache/apt /opt/apt_chache; ln -s /opt/apt_cache /var/cache/apt | 14:18 |
| ruskie | hmm I wonder if kexec would work on the n900 | 14:18 |
| Bluewind | well withotu that typo | 14:18 |
| hrw | can someone confirm bug #6932 as I use catorise now? | 14:18 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6932 "More..." view is not sorted at all | 14:18 |
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| red | asj_: already searched for apt-cache in wiki | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so gentlemen, what's common notion on Pr1.1? Safe to upgrade? Worth it and even right now, or should I postpone til next week? | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: i tried it at some point and it didn't work | 14:19 |
| red | Bluewind: without the ; I guess | 14:19 |
| Jaffa | hrw: It is sorted in PR1.1; although the first 12 are treated "special" | 14:19 |
| Bluewind | red: mv /var/cache/apt /opt/apt_cache; ln -s /opt/apt_cache /var/cache/apt | 14:19 |
| hrw | Bluewind: better symlink to /home/user/MyDocs/ somewhere | 14:19 |
| red | ah | 14:19 |
| mece | DocScrutinizer51, go for it! | 14:19 |
| ruskie | to bad | 14:19 |
| Bluewind | red: nope with that | 14:19 |
| ruskie | would be nice | 14:19 |
| red | ok | 14:19 |
| hrw | Jaffa: thx | 14:19 |
| asj_ | red: tere's a bunch of new pages | 14:19 |
| ruskie | just have a tiny linux initramfs kernel | 14:19 |
| Bluewind | hrw: mydocs doesn't have unix permissions | 14:19 |
| ruskie | that just boots to a "boot" loader | 14:19 |
| red | hmm, the update started updating with just 40MB :p | 14:19 |
| hrw | Bluewind: apt archive does not need them | 14:19 |
| ruskie | and then executes kexec to the system and kernel you want | 14:20 |
| red | if it fails I guess I'll do that | 14:20 |
| red | or regardless actually | 14:20 |
| mece | red, well that might break... | 14:20 |
| mece | red, apt-get clean | 14:20 |
| Bluewind | hrw: ok i'm not really into apt | 14:20 |
| hrw | Jaffa: marked bug as verified then. | 14:20 |
| red | i have, mece | 14:20 |
| Bluewind | 2gb are enough atm though | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: not sure ARM kernels like initramfs | 14:20 |
| mece | red, after it breaks I mean | 14:20 |
| ruskie | ow? | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | or embedding | 14:20 |
| red | ah ye | 14:20 |
| red | brb | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ok, bbl then (hope so ;-P) | 14:20 |
| ifreq | if i have "lite" version installed and buying pro should i deinstall the lite 1st? | 14:20 |
| ruskie | I thought all the other Linux arm devices had an initramfs or something like it for "rescue mode" | 14:20 |
| mece | I have apt cache in MyDocs now that you mention it. works fine. | 14:21 |
| Jaffa | hrw: I've added a comment | 14:21 |
| mece | but I had it in opt before, and that also worked fine :) | 14:21 |
| Bluewind | would like to make mydocs ext3 | 14:21 |
| Bluewind | or at least smaller | 14:21 |
| ruskie | Bluewind, see thread: Reparitinoning the internal mmc on talk.maemo.org | 14:22 |
| ruskie | a few different methods of doing it | 14:22 |
| ruskie | http://www.klc.net.nz/linux/?page_id=10 <-- Stskeeps hmm | 14:22 |
| Bluewind | ah nice | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: it needs to merge into the zimage | 14:23 |
| odin_ | Stskeeps, I have not even compiled a kernel for N900 yet, so maybe I should attempt that today: apt-get source kernel-source-fremantle ??? | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | this loads a ramdisk.img in uboot | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | odin_: apt-get source kernel | 14:24 |
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| slonopotamus | timeless_mbp: what product should i use in bugzie to file a bug against symbols on-screen keyboard? | 14:24 |
| odin_ | Stskeeps, that did it | 14:24 |
| slonopotamus | ah, Desktop platform. | 14:24 |
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| frals | hmm, anyone actually able to see the "wappushd-dev" package? | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | FSCK!!! storage doesn't suffice | 14:24 |
| siriusnova | whats that | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | frals: isn't it in SDK nokia-binaries? | 14:25 |
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| zerojay | Has PR1.1 gone live in North America yet? | 14:25 |
| odin_ | has the N900 gone live in NA yet ? they can wait, ha ha | 14:25 |
| neal | docscrutinizer: btw I'm 1/2, so i'd recommend being careful. | 14:25 |
| zerojay | odin_: Thanks, awesomely helpful. | 14:26 |
| konttori_nokia | slonopotamus, lemme know the bug # when done and I'll chase that it gets fixed for pr1.2 | 14:26 |
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| zerojay | odin_: I want them to wait. It's my only chance I'll be able to upgrade at all. | 14:26 |
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| siriusnova | how do i get microb into portrait mode? | 14:26 |
| konttori_nokia | zerojay, not in NAM yet | 14:26 |
| siriusnova | soemone posted a shortcut | 14:26 |
| siriusnova | like ctrl-shift o | 14:26 |
| siriusnova | or something | 14:26 |
| siriusnova | a while back | 14:26 |
| konttori_nokia | siriusnova, that works | 14:26 |
| zerojay | konttori_nokia: Good, I still have time to get 1.0.1 first! | 14:26 |
| siriusnova | is it really ctrl-shift o? | 14:26 |
| konttori_nokia | yes | 14:26 |
| konttori_nokia | then close kb and rotate to portrait mode | 14:27 |
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| slonopotamus | how "^" symbol is called? | 14:27 |
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| pekuja | caret | 14:27 |
| siriusnova | ahh | 14:27 |
| siriusnova | cool | 14:27 |
| siriusnova | whats does ctrl-shift o exactly do? | 14:27 |
| slonopotamus | pekuja: thx | 14:27 |
| frals | Stskeeps: right, thats probably true, my bad for checking on device :P | 14:27 |
| bionoid | Trying to use the GUI installer on Debian 5.0, in the "Nokia binaries" page there is no magic number to input into the box. Is this a known bug? - see http://www.dumpt.com/img/viewer.php?file=1jn9alz76jg0yk7ncy5l.jpg | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | bionoid you get a magic number from tablets-dev.nokia.com | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | bionoid you get a magic number from tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula i mean | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | neal: huh? | 14:28 |
| X-Fade | bionoid: Holdon, fixing that now. | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | .. or not | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | right, ignore me, X-Fade knows best :) | 14:29 |
| siriusnova | ooooh | 14:29 |
| siriusnova | portrait mode for the browser is pretty | 14:29 |
| siriusnova | :D | 14:29 |
| bionoid | X-Fade: Cheers | 14:29 |
| hrw | argh... #5553 | 14:29 |
| siriusnova | too bad the keyboard doesnt work in portrait mode | 14:30 |
| siriusnova | :( | 14:30 |
| timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: "input method" | 14:30 |
| frals | package importer dead? my build that succeeded ~0200 still not improted :( | 14:30 |
| X-Fade | bionoid: Check again ;) | 14:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | friggin bloody shit. Too less storage for Pr1.1 | 14:31 |
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| siriusnova | are you doing apt-get? | 14:31 |
| siriusnova | dont do apt-get | 14:31 |
| bilboed-pi | anybody else having issues with ICQ/AIM accounts having errors logging in for a past few weeks ? | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | even after reboot (aka garbage collection) | 14:32 |
| siriusnova | just do it using the app installer | 14:32 |
| Bluewind | siriusnova: why not apt-get? | 14:32 |
| hrw | bilboed-pi: I did | 14:32 |
| bilboed-pi | hrw, still an issue ? | 14:32 |
| siriusnova | BlueWind - i had the same problem, it runs out of space during apt-get | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | siriusnova: that's for me? | 14:32 |
| siriusnova | and this is with a Fresh firmwared N900 | 14:32 |
| siriusnova | no | 14:32 |
| siriusnova | yes | 14:32 |
| siriusnova | i mean | 14:32 |
| bionoid | X-Fade: Works like a charm, thank you very much! | 14:32 |
| siriusnova | for you DocScrutinizer-8 | 14:32 |
| hrw | bilboed-pi: my icq did not logged in | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | siriusnova: I did | 14:33 |
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| siriusnova | oh | 14:33 |
| siriusnova | weird | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | siriusnova: with HAM | 14:33 |
| siriusnova | herm | 14:33 |
| siriusnova | dunno then | 14:33 |
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| auenf | welp, n900 pairs to my car, n810 doesnt | 14:33 |
| auenf | now i've just gotta get around to ordering myself a n900 | 14:33 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Life is a sexually transmitted disease with 100% mortality rate! | 14:33 |
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| ShadowJK | wtf, is 1.1 out? | 14:34 |
| bilboed-pi | yah | 14:34 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Yup | 14:34 |
| andre__ | yesh. | 14:34 |
| * Gadgetoid_mbp refreshes again | 14:34 | |
| ShadowJK | Well that was unexpected :) | 14:34 |
| red | seems that 40,5MB was enough to apply the 1.1 update :) | 14:35 |
| siriusnova | now all we need is full portrait mode enabled | 14:35 |
| siriusnova | and im all set | 14:35 |
| siriusnova | :D | 14:35 |
| Bluewind | hm does apt-get support some kind of globbing to remove all those locales I don't need? | 14:35 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Anyone have any trouble with available space when updating? | 14:35 |
| pillar | siriusnova: seems that is not gonna happen before harmattan | 14:35 |
| red | siriusnova: agreed | 14:35 |
| slonopotamus | aaah crap! | 14:35 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | My rootfs is now at a lovely 91% | 14:36 |
| siriusnova | well did they fix email? | 14:36 |
| slonopotamus | i broke bugzie | 14:36 |
| slonopotamus | undef error - Insecure dependency in exec while running with -T switch at /usr/share/perl5/Mail/Mailer/sendmail.pm line 22. | 14:36 |
| red | anyone else just hate the slide unlock button placement/size? | 14:36 |
| siriusnova | it was maddingly slow | 14:36 |
| siriusnova | before | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | red: here it says '85.xMB' and I don't see how to free that much on / | 14:36 |
| hrw | harmattan is magic word. | 14:36 |
| siriusnova | how is it now, has anyone tested? | 14:36 |
| ShadowJK | for some definitions of "fix" | 14:36 |
| Bluewind | DocScrutinizer-8: mv /var/cache/apt /opt/apt_cache; ln -s /opt/apt_cache /var/cache/apt | 14:36 |
| red | DocScrutinizer-8: I only freed to 40,5MB and the update was that size. | 14:36 |
| red | (85.xMB) | 14:36 |
| Bluewind | you can aswell use /home/user/MyDocs | 14:36 |
| pupnik | same here, 40,6 MB | 14:36 |
| pillar | siriusnova email fast now at least for me | 14:36 |
| red | documentation said you need 45MB free for it | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | k thnx. will try | 14:37 |
| slonopotamus | damnit. i can't report a bug :( | 14:37 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I'm pretty stuffed with my lowly 20mb then ;D | 14:37 |
| X-Fade | slonopotamus: What are you trying to do? | 14:37 |
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| slonopotamus | where i file a bug about broken bugzie? :D | 14:37 |
| X-Fade | slonopotamus: me me me ;) | 14:37 |
| hrw | if something is broken in fremantle then standard answer is 'maybe will be fixed in harmattan'? | 14:37 |
| slonopotamus | X-Fade: tried to create a bugreport. | 14:37 |
| pupnik | provide more info slonopotamus | 14:38 |
| X-Fade | slonopotamus: At what moment did you see that? | 14:38 |
| X-Fade | slonopotamus: On save? | 14:38 |
| vesa | is there a t-shirt yet "fixed in harmattan"? | 14:38 |
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| slonopotamus | X-Fade: yeah, save. and it wasn't created, btw. that's what i entered: http://dpaste.com/145050/ | 14:38 |
| frals | X-Fade: *poke* package importer seems stuck, is this something you can fix/take a look at? :) | 14:38 |
| hrw | vesa: or better 'I found a bug, they say "fixed in harmattan" and I still have broken device' | 14:38 |
| X-Fade | frals: already running update | 14:39 |
| frals | cheers :) | 14:39 |
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| X-Fade | slonopotamus: Does it happen when you try again? | 14:40 |
| slonopotamus | X-Fade: yeah | 14:40 |
| slonopotamus | X-Fade: i suspect it didn't like funny unicode symbols :) | 14:41 |
| X-Fade | slonopotamus: Can you try without? | 14:41 |
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| slonopotamus | X-Fade: then my report won't make sense :) | 14:41 |
| X-Fade | slonopotamus: I can edit ;) | 14:41 |
| X-Fade | slonopotamus: Just want to make sure, it is that. | 14:41 |
| slonopotamus | well, ok. | 14:41 |
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| slonopotamus | X-Fade: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7970 | 14:42 |
| povbot | Bug 7970: Russian symbols on-screen keyboard is lacking backtick (`) and caret (^) | 14:42 |
| bionoid | Is there a way to _power off_ the wlan adapter? I have "always ask" for connections, but it seems as long as I | 14:42 |
| bionoid | oops sorry, as long as I'm not in offline mode, the wlan is draining power? | 14:43 |
| slonopotamus | X-Fade: so you need to replace text in <> with "ѓ, upper 3, upper 2, Ϊ or ‰" | 14:43 |
| flux | bionoid, turn wlan scanning off? | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | var/cache/apt gave me 1% (so 89% used now) :-( | 14:43 |
| bionoid | flux: Where? | 14:43 |
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| flux | bionoid, under the settings somewhere, I don't remember. maybe "Internet Connections" | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | usr/share eats 92MB >:-( | 14:43 |
| bionoid | flux: I looked everywhere, can't find it :( N900 | 14:44 |
| slonopotamus | konttori_nokia: err... why? :) my bugs are top priority? :) | 14:44 |
| ShadowJK | "Pulseaudio: Ringtone is heard from the loudspeaker if BT connected. " <- heh, can we now submit a "Ringtone is heard from the loudspeaker if BT connected"-bug, or is there one already? :) | 14:44 |
| flux | my n900 is upgrading ATM, so can't tak e alook | 14:44 |
| konttori_nokia | slonopotamus, well, we are working on kb layouts atm, and this is a good timing to also fix yours | 14:44 |
| siriusnova | DOH | 14:44 |
| jebba | so is this the new kernel? kernel_2.6.28-20094803.3+0m5.dsc | 14:44 |
| siriusnova | they didnt fix USSD Codes issue | 14:44 |
| siriusnova | i stil cant dial *166# | 14:45 |
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| siriusnova | :/ | 14:45 |
| vesa | bionoid: if you have always ask on then it doesn't scan afaik. but if you connect to a wlan you have to drop the connection after usage for it to stop being connected | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: think so | 14:45 |
| slonopotamus | konttori_nokia: okaay :) just wait until X-Fade fixed my report/bugzie so it contains symbols list. | 14:45 |
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| vesa | top drop the connection press the status bar -> internet connection -> disconnect | 14:45 |
| * slonopotamus pokes X-Fade | 14:46 | |
| slonopotamus | konttori_nokia: btw, whoever fixed wifi power, say thanks to him :) | 14:46 |
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| X-Fade | slonopotamus: Working with andre__ .. hang on. | 14:46 |
| onion | does anyone know in what quality the audio hw can record on the N900 ? | 14:47 |
| * slonopotamus hang on. | 14:47 | |
| jebba | gah my connection keeps dropping. But: so is this the new kernel? kernel_2.6.28-20094803.3+0m5.dsc | 14:47 |
| slonopotamus | oouch | 14:47 |
| slonopotamus | X-Fade: actually they got created | 14:47 |
| slonopotamus | X-Fade: 7967 through 7970. | 14:48 |
| slonopotamus | O:-) | 14:48 |
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| X-Fade | slonopotamus: Good for your karma ;) | 14:49 |
| slonopotamus | closed dupes :) | 14:49 |
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| slonopotamus | X-Fade: btw, it also produced that error when i was closing them too. | 14:49 |
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| slonopotamus | konttori_nokia: here you are: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7967 | 14:49 |
| povbot | Bug 7967: Russian symbols on-screen keyboard is lacking backtick (`) and caret (^) | 14:49 |
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| bionoid | vesa: If I disconnect from home network (manually) and walk outside, neighbors networks show up. So it must be receiving beacons; Only way I've found to stop it is offline mode, but that also leaves me without packet data.. Maybe I should try a factory reset or something | 14:49 |
| X-Fade | slonopotamus: It must not like you. | 14:49 |
| dockane | still no ussd? *grml* | 14:50 |
| slonopotamus | X-Fade: it's just my karma. i run into bugs just too often :) | 14:50 |
| slonopotamus | ouch, chromium crashed :( | 14:51 |
| jebba | hm, they've added this to the kernel boot line: | 14:51 |
| jebba | snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6 | 14:51 |
| vesa | bionoid: it scans the wlans when you click 'internet connection' | 14:51 |
| siriusnova | can we still send dial tones | 14:51 |
| siriusnova | in teh N900 dialer? | 14:51 |
| siriusnova | i mean can we still not? | 14:51 |
| red | doesn't butterfly work after update? | 14:51 |
| siriusnova | i dont remember being able too send Dial Tones before | 14:51 |
| siriusnova | *to | 14:51 |
| ifreq | siriusnova: atleast im using some tone based auth services just ok | 14:51 |
| ifreq | before and now | 14:51 |
| siriusnova | oh | 14:52 |
| siriusnova | weird | 14:52 |
| ifreq | dunno if its dial or not.. :P "press 1 to authenticate" .. pressing 1 = works :P | 14:52 |
| siriusnova | i c | 14:52 |
| siriusnova | mebbe its the voip thing | 14:52 |
| ifreq | could be | 14:52 |
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| bionoid | vesa: Hmm.. | 14:52 |
| red | bionoid: every time you click the internet connections it automaticly scans | 14:52 |
| slonopotamus | konttori_nokia: beware, it produces weird errors when you're doing anything to that bug :) | 14:52 |
| bionoid | vesa: So you're saying if I open the internet connections, it powers on WLAN? So I have to connect to a network and disconnect again to power it back off? | 14:53 |
| red | App Manager -> Update -> "Operation Failed" (after applying the 80MB update) | 14:53 |
| ruskie | Stskeeps, when you were testing kexec... have you patched userspace tools? http://guug.org/nit/kexec/kexec-nit.patch | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: yes | 14:53 |
| bionoid | red: It's dawning on me slowly. I just can't beleive how crappy my battery is, so trying to turn everything off. | 14:54 |
| ruskie | hmm | 14:54 |
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| ruskie | anything bad happened or did it just not work? | 14:54 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Clearing space is not easy, boo | 14:54 |
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| jebba | looking at kernel diff, quite a few powermanagement tweaks | 14:56 |
| red | I did | 14:56 |
| bionoid | Another thing is the list of networks is very fast, could beacons for 10 networks really be gathered in <.3 seconds if the adapter was truly off in the first place? | 14:56 |
| red | 14:15 < Bluewind> red: mv /var/cache/apt /opt/apt_cache; ln -s /opt/apt_cache (( /var/cache/apt )) without the part with (()). | 14:56 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Is mplayer optified? | 14:57 |
| red | Anyone able to help me fix it? :P | 14:57 |
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| red | (apt-get isn't working now) | 14:57 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | red: is your root fs full? | 14:57 |
| red | no, 45MB free | 14:57 |
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| red | "Archive directory /var/cache/apt/arhcies/partial is missing." | 14:57 |
| ifreq | red, how did you update? | 14:57 |
| ifreq | appmanager or apg-tet | 14:57 |
| red | I've already updated via appmanager. | 14:58 |
| ifreq | apt-get* | 14:58 |
| ifreq | k | 14:58 |
| jebba | http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/scratchbox/kernel/compare-1.1/kernel_2.6.28-20094102.6+0m5-vs-20094803.3+0m5.diff there's a kernel diff if anyone is interested | 14:58 |
| red | And I did that afterwards | 14:58 |
| inz | yeaaah, just got final level w/ 3 stars in angry birds \o/ | 14:58 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | inz: 1-21? | 14:58 |
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| jon1012 | bwah had to reflash to get the update :( | 14:58 |
| inz | Gadget, yeah, the bundled levels | 14:58 |
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| ifreq | jon1012: why? | 14:58 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | I've got 3 stars in everything BUT that level | 14:58 |
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| jon1012 | ifreq: no way to update | 14:58 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Really frustrating | 14:59 |
| ifreq | jon1012: howcome? everyone else is updating via appmanager etc | 14:59 |
| jon1012 | ifreq: app manager wasn't willing to to the update, and the cli didn't tell any conflict | 14:59 |
| ifreq | jon1012: where you live? | 14:59 |
| jon1012 | France | 14:59 |
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| ifreq | and the 1.1 has rolled over there allready? k | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: +Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0), fiasco-gen worries me | 14:59 |
| jon1012 | the update manager was telling me to connect the n900 to my computer, and use nokia update crap :) | 15:00 |
| jon1012 | so well, gave up | 15:00 |
| jon1012 | and reflashed | 15:00 |
| jon1012 | (and I lost the angrybirds-levelpack1 in the way... lol) | 15:00 |
| jon1012 | (someone got the .deb ? I would be willing to pay 3 euros for it, but it's not even accessible anymore) | 15:00 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | jon1012: ouch! those levels are freakin' awesome... until they start to get silly | 15:00 |
| ifreq | it told me something about pc suite too.. but updated via network | 15:00 |
| X-Fade | Can somebody upload a package to extras-devel for diablo and chinook? | 15:00 |
| ifreq | jon1012: sure you can redownload it on the site.. | 15:01 |
| X-Fade | I need to test the builder ;) | 15:01 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | 41.8m free... getting there | 15:01 |
| ifreq | or contact store about the issue | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: does your nokia-binaries contain a fiasco-gen? | 15:01 |
| red | "Archive directory /var/cache/apt/arhcies/partial is missing." -- anyone able to gimme a hand? :P | 15:01 |
| thresh | mkdir | 15:01 |
| jebba | Stskeeps: E: Couldn't find package fiasco-gen | 15:01 |
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| jebba | didnt check nokia binaries | 15:01 |
| mece | red, mkdir -p partial in the dir where you moved apt cache. | 15:02 |
| red | well I moved it to opt but its still looking for it in var | 15:02 |
| jon1012 | ifreq: no... the level pack isn't on the site anymore | 15:02 |
| ifreq | oh | 15:02 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | red you'll need to re-create the link | 15:02 |
| mece | red, archies? did you paste or type that one? | 15:02 |
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| konttori_nokia | slonopotamus, thanks! | 15:03 |
| jebba | Stskeeps: no fiasco-gen in nokia-binaries either | 15:03 |
| jebba | goddamn them | 15:03 |
| red | Gadgetoid_mbp: thats what I figure, but no idea how | 15:03 |
| red | mece: creating the dir in the current place atm | 15:03 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | how'd you do it in the first place!? | 15:03 |
| konttori_nokia | ah, russian KB! Great! we have been improving those quite a bit | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: filin' a bug | 15:03 |
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| jebba | ok | 15:03 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | use ln -s /opt/var/cache....etc /var/cache... etc | 15:03 |
| red | Gadgetoid_mbp: 14:15 < Bluewind> red: mv /var/cache/apt /opt/apt_cache; ln -s /opt/apt_cache /var/cache/apt | 15:03 |
| red | but I guess I made a typo | 15:04 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | just run the latter command again, and use tab completion to ensure the correct paths | 15:04 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I'm running out of things to uninstall, sheesh | 15:05 |
| red | Gadgetoid_mbp: Tried it but it gave a file exists error. Should I remove it? | 15:05 |
| jebba | Stskeeps: lemme know it's number as well. I wonder wtf it does. Gah, if they close off kernel building i'll be real pissed | 15:05 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | you might want to cd into /var/cache/apt and check it's empty | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: i highly doubt so | 15:06 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | then remove the apt folder, and run the command again | 15:06 |
| red | three files | 15:06 |
| red | aight | 15:06 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | probably nonsense that app manager has created in there whilst attempting to work | 15:06 |
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| red | could be aye | 15:07 |
| red | works now :) | 15:07 |
| red | thanks a bunch | 15:07 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | eggsellent! | 15:07 |
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| slonopotamus | konttori_nokia: who decided that ѓ should be on russian kb at all? :) | 15:07 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I wonder if mine will esplode | 15:07 |
| jebba | Stskeeps: "* Packaging updated to accomondate flashing changes" ... | 15:07 |
| pupnik | os update worked here even with a lot of edited files - menus, configs, etc | 15:08 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | I forgot to move my apt cache, har, that freed me up some space | 15:09 |
| HKisd_wrk | is source code for mplayer for N900 available somewhere? | 15:09 |
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| X-Fade | frals: Better now? | 15:09 |
| konttori_nokia | slonopotamus, dunno. We have a localization / UX department for the layouts and from somewhere deep down, that surfaced. | 15:10 |
| jebba | Stskeeps: +FLASHER=/sbin/fiasco-image-update | 15:10 |
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| jebba | + fiasco-gen -o $(CURDIR)/debian/$(PACKAGE)/boot/zImage-$(RELEASE).fiasco -g \ | 15:10 |
| jebba | + -k $(KSRC)/arch/arm/boot/zImage -v $(RELEASE) | 15:10 |
| jebba | + chmod 644 $(CURDIR)/debian/$(PACKAGE)/boot/zImage-$(RELEASE).fiasco | 15:10 |
| jon1012 | who could send some old stnky eggs to this dept ? | 15:11 |
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| jon1012 | stink* | 15:11 |
| jon1012 | I mean, on my french n900... no fucking direction keys | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7972 | 15:11 |
| povbot | Bug 7972: Kernel in PR1.1 build-depends on fiasco-gen which is nowhere to be found | 15:11 |
| frals | X-Fade: not seen it get promoted yet in packages interface but i'll bother you again if its not there in an hour :) | 15:11 |
| jon1012 | (for up/down) | 15:11 |
| X-Fade | frals: Ah, not extras-devel updated only. Will do testing now. | 15:11 |
| jebba | Stskeeps: that's in debian/rules. So we can't generate the image the way the new flasher wants = we can't build flashable kernels, no? | 15:11 |
| slonopotamus | konttori_nokia: okay :) i suggest an easy check - hw kb + symbols kb should have all symbols found on desktop keyboards for _any_ language :) | 15:11 |
| slonopotamus | konttori_nokia: i mean, on desktop kb for same language. | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: well, flasher-3.5 takes zImages happily. | 15:12 |
| jebba | Stskeeps: vote for that bug. | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: this is just the internal device flasher | 15:12 |
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| jebba | Stskeeps: ya, but it is also used in the build-scripts to prep the image some how | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: yeah, i know - it isn't needed for -actually- building the kernel, but not being able to build the kernel unmodified is a bit of a slap in the face :) | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | so i think it's just neglect and we'll find a solution | 15:13 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Yay, update appearing for mee, time to esplode my phone | 15:14 |
| frals | X-Fade: it's a -devel package I'm waiting for (http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmms/) :) | 15:14 |
| w00t | ohshi- | 15:14 |
| w00t | I see an update! | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | du -h /usr | grep "[0-9]M" o.O WTF!!! | 15:15 |
| jebba | Stskeeps: looks like it's needed to build a FLASHABLE kernel | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: nah | 15:15 |
| jebba | it's doing majick voodoo to prep it. | 15:15 |
| ShadowJK | HKisd_wrk, I think you can find a source package through http://maemo.org/packages | 15:15 |
| X-Fade | frals: So it built fine and doesn't show up in the packages interface? | 15:15 |
| jebba | "fiasco-gen -o $(CURDIR)/debian/$(PACKAGE)/boot/zImage-$(RELEASE).fiasco -k $(KSRC)/arch/arm/boot/zImage -v $(RELEASE)" | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: -k is input, -o is output | 15:15 |
| jebba | ya, and zimage-2.6.28.fiasco is what gets flashed now. | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: this is just for the on-device flasher, which applies versioning | 15:16 |
| frals | X-Fade: it built fine (at 0010 UTC) and is not imported to -devel yet | 15:16 |
| ShadowJK | hey, powertop isn't mentioned on that wiki comparison page. Does that mean it's silently deleted? :-) | 15:16 |
| jebba | Stskeeps: ya, but on-device flashing is the way to go... | 15:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | ~lart nokia 'managers' who decided on partitioning | 15:16 |
| * infobot shoves a crumpet down nokia 'managers' who decided on partitioning's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? | 15:16 | |
| jebba | goddamnit why do they have to add non-free unavailable crap. | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: but anyway, enough discussion, we both agree this is a completely shitty situation :) | 15:16 |
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| jebba | Stskeeps: well, at least vote for it. Need to push for it to be free too. | 15:17 |
| Ronnie^ | wow, video recording has improved a lot | 15:17 |
| Ronnie^ | no more dropped frames | 15:17 |
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| zerojay | really? | 15:17 |
| MaemohammadAG | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6622 | 15:17 |
| povbot | Bug 6622: nokia messaging doesn't synchronize selected imap folders | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: non-free is first step, in order to get things buildable, then there's a legal check | 15:17 |
| MaemohammadAG | i still don't have my folders | 15:17 |
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| jebba | Stskeeps: if we need non-free shit to build a kernel now i'm very tempted to bail as it is a very very very bad path i see they are taking if crap like this crops up} | 15:18 |
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| Stskeeps | jebba: honestly, i think it's neglect not malice | 15:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | microb/chrome and nokiamaps each eat >10MB on usr/share | 15:19 |
| frals | dont attribute to malice what can be explained as stupidity.. or something like that ;) | 15:19 |
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| w00t | what frals said | 15:19 |
| w00t | :P | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: so let's keep our heads level and fix this situation :) | 15:20 |
| pupnik | the whole device feels much faster with update. congratulations to the browser and opengl people! | 15:20 |
| zerojay | Stskeeps: Level heads and maemo? That's hilarious. ;) | 15:21 |
| MaemohammadAG | menu opening transition changed a bit | 15:21 |
| tg | hm | 15:21 |
| evo | anyone is using keepassx here? | 15:21 |
| odin_ | FYI my HAM is showing "Maemo" update now 2.2009.51-1.203.2 | 15:21 |
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| tg | how long does it usually take to install this new maemo update? | 15:21 |
| trbs | is there a known problem with the firmware update and security/pin dialog ? | 15:22 |
| thresh | odin_: yeah it's PR1.1 | 15:22 |
| niekt0 | is there any way to find all and only packages from extras/devel? | 15:22 |
| Ronnie^ | evo: on N900? | 15:22 |
| ifreq | trbs: what kind of? | 15:22 |
| pekuja | tg: fifteen minutes? not sure. not too long | 15:22 |
| tg | hm | 15:22 |
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| trbs | cause after clicking install, i came back to the device to find the security dialog with layered on top of it my desktop widgets (so i could not type in the code) | 15:22 |
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| evo | Ronnie^: yeah | 15:22 |
| tg | because the progress bar is like stuck somewhere in the beginning for me.. | 15:22 |
| Ronnie^ | didnt know it was available. ill check it out | 15:22 |
| MaemohammadAG | what's with the new option in the settings title bar | 15:23 |
| MaemohammadAG | enter code for unlocking sim card | 15:23 |
| cb22 | tg, are you using NSU? | 15:23 |
| trbs | after pressing power button i could quickly see that the install dialog was at something like 10 or 15% and after starting up again it is now saying "installing software update. please do not interrupt." on the console | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | odin_: FYI. My HAM shows "not enough storage...S on trying to install maemo5 update | 15:23 |
| thresh | was it only me or you got this too: in "silent profile", "vibration" is unchecked after firmware update | 15:23 |
| trbs | so it seems to work just fine :) | 15:23 |
| tg | or maybe it's just progressing really slow, unfortunately there's no percentage display, but seems like now it progressed a millimeter or so:) | 15:23 |
| Oli``` | Why can't I install 1.1 ota? Do I really need to borrow somebody elses Windows PC, install Nokia PC Suite on it and flash that way? Seems hugely counter-intuitive to me | 15:23 |
| MaemohammadAG | tg, it got stuck here too | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | Oli```: or linux flasher-3.5 | 15:24 |
| trbs | but it's a weird "user experience" so to speak | 15:24 |
| odin_ | DocScrutinizer-8, I rebooted my N900 to make it reclaim all it can on rootfs before trying, I am about to attempt install | 15:24 |
| MaemohammadAG | i rebooted and it continued the update at startup | 15:24 |
| evo | Ronnie^: new firmware almost made it unusable, :/ | 15:24 |
| Ronnie^ | is it hildonized? | 15:24 |
| ShadowJK | evo, how? | 15:24 |
| X-Fade | Oli```: Or wait until it is available for your country. | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | odin_: didn't help here | 15:24 |
| odin_ | DocScrutinizer-8, how much you got free? | 15:25 |
| evo | ShadowJK: the GUI is messed up ... sorry I can't give many details, I'm still a newbie :) | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | 89% | 15:25 |
| rlinfati | what is the hostname on pr1.1 ? still 42-11 ? | 15:25 |
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| tg | cb22: what's nsu? the default sw update tool? or? | 15:25 |
| thresh | rlinfati: it doesnt change between the updates | 15:25 |
| cb22 | nokia software updater | 15:25 |
| Oli``` | X-Fade: It is! I'm looking at the update on my n900 and after a bit of twitching it comes back "To update your device to this version of the operating system you must use the Nokia software update application on your PC. Connect the device to your PC via a USB cable and launch the application." With a button for creating a backup next to it. | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | seems I like to uninstall that liqfoo (acceltest or whatever). It's a hog iirc | 15:26 |
| X-Fade | Oli```: Then you have an older device. | 15:26 |
| X-Fade | Oli```: That is not a retail one? | 15:26 |
| Oli``` | yes | 15:26 |
| tg | cb22: i'm using this application manager on the phone itself | 15:26 |
| Oli``` | (it is retail) | 15:26 |
| X-Fade | Oli```: Did you install 44-2 first? | 15:27 |
| Oli``` | X-Fade: the update the other day? Yes. | 15:27 |
| cb22 | oh right... just flashed mine with NSU, figured it'd be nice to clean it up... took like 3 minutes for everything | 15:27 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | OTA update wouldn't happen for me, either, what utter suckage | 15:27 |
| ruskie | Samsung has souped up its flash capacity with a 64GB MoviNAND product and a 32GB microSD (Secure Digital) product. <-- nice... 32GB microSD | 15:27 |
| tg | but but yeah, it's definitely progressing now, just really slowly | 15:27 |
| w00t | X-Fade: can also be caused by conflicts in packages, no? | 15:27 |
| ShadowJK | Oli```, how much free space? | 15:28 |
| ruskie | and the MoviNAND they consider as a good place to boot from in mobile devices :) | 15:28 |
| ShadowJK | amd dp you have libqt4-phonon installed (I saw on tmo that was an issue) | 15:28 |
| Oli``` | ShadowJK: 15% free on rootfs | 15:28 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Oli```: same trouble here, did you move your apt cache folder into opt? | 15:28 |
| Oli``` | Gadgetoid_mbp: nope | 15:28 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Althoguh I have enough free space | 15:28 |
| ShadowJK | Oli```, df -h, how much in megabytes? | 15:28 |
| joppu | Nice, I tried to update via OTA and now the N900 is in a reboot loop! Any suggestions? NSU or Flasher? | 15:28 |
| evo | agreed, libqt4-phonon must be uninstalled before, it took me 30 minutes to realize it, heh | 15:28 |
| ShadowJK | ruskie, look for the combined OneNAND+SDRAM chips ;-) | 15:29 |
| Oli``` | ShadowJK: 31.1 | 15:29 |
| ShadowJK | Oli```, over 45 is required for OTA update | 15:29 |
| ShadowJK | or so they say | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | joppu: flasher | 15:29 |
| Oli``` | ShadowJK: how the monkeys do I get it that low? I'm not sure it's ever been that low | 15:29 |
| pupnik | just performed uptate with 40.6 MB free here. red did it with 40.5 | 15:30 |
| X-Fade | frals: Ok, it is because of repository cache issue in place because of ssu today ;) | 15:30 |
| joppu | Stskeeps: Is the newest FW availtable for Flasher? | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | joppu: tablets-dev and i hope so | 15:30 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | ShadowJK: got 50mb free and no dice here | 15:30 |
| frals | X-Fade: alright, thanks :) | 15:30 |
| Arkenoi | "To update your device.. blabla.. you must use the Nokia software update application on your PC." WTF?! | 15:30 |
| X-Fade | frals: Update is in the origin repository, but not visible on repository.m.o | 15:30 |
| ShadowJK | I guess one method would be to use the backup application to backup the application list, then uninstall apps until free space is enough...upgrade and then reinstall apps | 15:30 |
| frals | X-Fade: cheers :) | 15:31 |
| andre__ | Arkenoi: which version do you currently run and how much free space do you have? | 15:31 |
| Oli``` | righto... here goes | 15:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Arkenoi, remove qt4-phonon. | 15:31 |
| andre__ | Arkenoi: this only happens if you cannot update via OTA. | 15:31 |
| w00t | Updating 'Maemo 5' 2.2009.51-1.203.2 \o/ | 15:31 |
| Arkenoi | 44.1 | 15:31 |
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| ShadowJK | man, I wish all the libqt4* crap was optified.. especially as the update installs more of it | 15:33 |
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| ShadowJK | I wish the SDK tools repo was optified, too :-) | 15:33 |
| Oli``` | I don't suppose there's a way to list all the after-market packages installed on the phone so you can bulk apt-get remove? | 15:33 |
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| ShadowJK | "Uninstall" in application manager generates a pretty good list for me | 15:33 |
| Oli``` | I mean something that can be piped straight into apt | 15:34 |
| acidjazz | YOYO | 15:34 |
| acidjazz | pls to be urling me update/bugfix log | 15:34 |
| acidjazz | for this update | 15:34 |
| andre__ | acidjazz, urling? | 15:35 |
| andre__ | acidjazz, does that mean you want a web address or what? | 15:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Oli```: "" | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | acidjazz: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1 | 15:35 |
| andre__ | acidjazz, http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1 | 15:35 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | GeneralAntilles: libqt4-maemo5-phonon? | 15:35 |
| joppu | Stskeeps: there is only the sales release, no PR1.1. Is it safe to flash to it? | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | joppu: hmm, no PR1.1? | 15:35 |
| Arkenoi | GeneralAntilles: qt4-phonon or qt4-maemo5-phonon? | 15:35 |
| andre__ | joppu, where? | 15:35 |
| frals | "urling", nice expression :D | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | joppu: it shows me 51.1 just fine | 15:36 |
| evo | PR1.1 is pretty cool, thanks to all the developers .. I only miss modest-3.2 to fix #5634 and it'd be perfect :) | 15:36 |
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| tekojo | joppu should be available at tablets-dev | 15:36 |
| acidjazz | andre__: graci | 15:36 |
| w00t | I see 51.1 at tablets-dev, yes | 15:36 |
| joppu | What build string it is? | 15:36 |
| andre__ | evo: yeah, modest-3.2 is planned for PR1.2 I think | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | joppu: depending on your needs | 15:37 |
| evo | andre__: cool :) | 15:37 |
| joppu | *.42-11 ? | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | no, 51.1 | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | 51-1 i mean | 15:37 |
| Oli``` | w00t!! up to 46megs of free space on rootfs! | 15:37 |
| acidjazz | oh man SO STOKED to see an update | 15:37 |
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| ShadowJK | Oli```, try a reboot too :-) | 15:37 |
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| papo | hm let's check if I got it right: original sales firmware is 42-11, the intermediate (small) one is 44-1 and the new one is something larger than 44? | 15:38 |
| Oli``` | "apt-get remove offscr*; apt-get remove qt4-phon*; apt-get autoremove; apt-get clean" | 15:38 |
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| tekojo | papo yes, new one is 51-1 | 15:38 |
| ShadowJK | papo, 51-1 | 15:38 |
| papo | ok | 15:38 |
| papo | that's odd | 15:38 |
| sgbirch | I am at 44-1, just got the 51.1 but it tells me I have to update using the Nokia software update application. ??? | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | tekojo: btw, soumya still in charge of contents of SDK? or was that responsibility transferred | 15:38 |
| jon1012 | bwah after upgrade webcam wuality is still horrible :( | 15:39 |
| tekojo | Stskeeps, Marcell is now the owner | 15:39 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Marcell for fremantle | 15:39 |
| jon1012 | quality* | 15:39 |
| ShadowJK | sgbirch, need mroe than 45M free on /, uninstall *qt4*phonon* stuff... | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | ah, we should probably change a lot of bugs to be assigned to marcell then | 15:39 |
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| papo | one hour ago, some people recommended me to run the upgrade manually using apt-get dist-upgrade. I did it and it did upgrade the packages to the intermediate firmware. I seem to have these packages now, but settings->about still reports 42-11 | 15:39 |
| MaemohammadAG | ShadowJK, he can move archives to /home and symlink | 15:39 |
| Oli``` | woo! it allows me to install OTA!! thanks for the help everybody! | 15:39 |
| MaemohammadAG | worked for me | 15:39 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps: I've changed the default assignee already, but did not reassign the existing ones I must admit | 15:39 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Oli```: damn, I'm still failing | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: ta - i'll go ahead and cc him on the ones that are relevant | 15:40 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, appreciated. thanks! | 15:40 |
| Oli``` | Gadgetoid_mbp: did you see my apt-get statements above? | 15:40 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Wtf is offscr doing here, haha | 15:40 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Yeah Oli```, giving 'em a try | 15:40 |
| Oli``` | Gadgetoid_mbp: autoremove really helped a lot | 15:40 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | But I have oodles of space already | 15:40 |
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| Oli``` | oh | 15:40 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Might be because i moved my apt cache to /opt | 15:41 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | But I don't see why | 15:41 |
| Oli``` | move it back? | 15:41 |
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| Arkenoi | Silence ringing by flipping face down. <- it was there from the beginning, why is it listed as new feature? | 15:41 |
| MaemohammadAG | Gadgetoid_mbp, did you symlink? | 15:41 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | MaemohammadAG: yeah :D | 15:41 |
| sgbirch | ShadowJK: I have 48.8M free on / but it still says I need to use the PC app | 15:41 |
| MaemohammadAG | then it should work | 15:41 |
| evo | sgbirch: try to uninstall libqt4-phonon | 15:42 |
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| MaemohammadAG | sgbirch, you didn't install 1.0.1 | 15:42 |
| ShadowJK | (44-1) | 15:42 |
| sgbirch | MaemohammadAG: How do I make it install 1.0.1 | 15:42 |
| sgbirch | MaemohammadAG: this sucks | 15:42 |
| MaemohammadAG | too late i think | 15:42 |
| MaemohammadAG | you should've installed it yesterday | 15:43 |
| MaemohammadAG | or the day b4 | 15:43 |
| papo | does anyone know where the version number in settings->about come from? | 15:43 |
| sgbirch | I couldnt .. it didnt show up on my device | 15:43 |
| ShadowJK | I think it should be available still | 15:43 |
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| MaemohammadAG | sgbirch, did you update the sources list? | 15:43 |
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| sgbirch | MaemohammadAG: I gave up and reflashed .. | 15:43 |
| MaemohammadAG | lol | 15:44 |
| sgbirch | MaemohammadAG: But there was no UK version of PR1.1 so I installed 44.11 and then tried upgrade | 15:44 |
| anunakin | Flandry: hi! | 15:44 |
| sgbirch | This is exactly why Nokia should have rolled this out slowly and to all ppl working with extras-testing | 15:44 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Grarrghhhggh still a big pile of OTA fail | 15:46 |
| Caesium | morning all | 15:46 |
| Caesium | ooh update eh | 15:46 |
| * ShadowJK is waiting for N900 to charge :( | 15:46 | |
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| sgbirch | Nokia ... read my lips RELEASE EARLY AND OFTEN | 15:46 |
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| Oli``` | sgbirch: lips? | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | sgbirch: two updates in one week ;p | 15:47 |
| sgbirch | Stskeeps: of which neither work on my N900 | 15:47 |
| Caesium | I assume it works? ;) | 15:47 |
| sgbirch | Stskeeps: Instead of releasing a bunch of changes, they should dribble out to extras-testing | 15:48 |
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| odin_ | up goes another bug#7679 | 15:48 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7679 Importing using Exchange server search results in a field of EMAIL;TYPE=OTHER | 15:48 |
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| odin_ | opps.. bug#7976 | 15:48 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7976 More descriptive error is needed than: Not enough memory in target location | 15:48 |
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| sgbirch | Oli```: It is an old expression from Bush, "read me lips, no new taxes" Then he increased taxes | 15:49 |
| Caesium | from 1.1 changelog: 'Silence ringing by flipping face down.' | 15:49 |
| Caesium | huh? that was in 1.0? :) | 15:49 |
| nomis | fun bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7977 | 15:50 |
| povbot | Bug 7977: Entering PIN-Code post-boot is too obscure. | 15:50 |
| Oli``` | sgbirch: I just meant the concept of lips on irc... I mean... Are they USB? | 15:50 |
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| * Caesium gets a conflicting package report | 15:50 | |
| Caesium | tutorial-home-applet conflicts with new Maemo 5, hum | 15:50 |
| sgbirch | Caesium: I had that ... removed it but then upgrade failed. Tells me to use a PC app | 15:51 |
| Oli``` | Blimey this update takes a while to install | 15:52 |
| Caesium | 0.6.14 conflicts only with tutorial-home-applet-wimax, I wonder if 0.6.16 (which it's trying to install) has an incorrect conflict list | 15:53 |
| joppu | Stskeeps and everyone, Thank you very much, got it flashed and working :) | 15:53 |
| Caesium | sgbirch: I'll try removing it. | 15:53 |
| sgbirch | Caesium: let me know how it goes, I hope better for you than it did for me | 15:53 |
| ShadowJK | how do you get wimax tutorial on n900, uh.. | 15:55 |
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| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: url? | 15:57 |
| Caesium | hm I saw a link about conflicting packages a minute ago | 15:57 |
| Caesium | lost it now. | 15:57 |
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| goriofab | hi guys. how to install nokia pc suite in windos 7? i have a n900 | 15:57 |
| ShadowJK | sts: to what.. | 15:58 |
| sgbirch | goriofab: why are you asking, is your upgrade failing or is this unrelated to PR1.1? | 15:58 |
| Arkenoi | HW volume keys always have same orientation. <- so it won't reverse in portrait mode? seems illogical | 15:58 |
| pierlux | hum, my n900 look "locked" during the install of the update... I almost forced it to reboot until I saw the progress bar move... not good ;-) | 15:58 |
| zash | goriofab: install win7 on n900 and then ps suite and then build a loopback cable! ;) | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: tutorial for wimax on n900 :P | 15:58 |
| slonopotamus | are color squares (approx 0.5x0.5mm with small hole in center) a normal thing on front camera? | 15:58 |
| sgbirch | zash: rotfl | 15:59 |
| slonopotamus | (testing with mirror app) | 15:59 |
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| ShadowJK | I was just commenting on Caesium, I'm probably not getting enough context ... | 15:59 |
| goriofab | yes i'd like to update my maemo but i got a message to install pc suite | 15:59 |
| Caesium | ShadowJK: my update won't apply because tutorial-home-applet is conflicting | 15:59 |
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| Caesium | 0.6.16 of tutorial-home-applet (which it wants to install) conflicts with "Maemo 5" | 16:00 |
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| Caesium | although I don't see evidence in apt-cache show to support that | 16:00 |
| Caesium | unless Maemo 5 update is trying to install tutorial-home-applet-wimax | 16:00 |
| slonopotamus | how i take snapshot from front camera, btw? | 16:00 |
| tg | yay, 1hour elapsed and the update is already at ~30% :> | 16:01 |
| tuxer | Caesium: it conflicts with 42 and 44 but will install when you have upgraded your firmware to 51 | 16:02 |
| pupnik | Caesium: interesting bug. i expect most of us removed that to free up space | 16:02 |
| Caesium | yeah that's what I'm gonna try. | 16:04 |
| Caesium | apparently sgbirch did it and got further errors though. | 16:04 |
| sgbirch | Caesium: sorry to hear that ... what errors? | 16:04 |
| Caesium | haven't done it yet :)O | 16:04 |
| SpeedEvil | slonopotamus: mencoder can do it | 16:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | slonopotamus: but that's involved at best | 16:04 |
| Caesium | ok, removed it now, now seeing what App Manager says | 16:04 |
| slonopotamus | SpeedEvil: nah, i'm lazy :) | 16:05 |
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| Caesium | sgbirch: it looks happier now.. | 16:07 |
| Caesium | not sure why yours broke when you removed that :/ | 16:07 |
| ShadowJK | I removed the tutorial, I think, and no issues so far? | 16:07 |
| ShadowJK | though it's only downloading now :) | 16:07 |
| SpeedEvil | WTF. | 16:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Uninstalling google-latitude-updater freed 10M | 16:08 |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil: on root? | 16:08 |
| ShadowJK | I would have expected more than that | 16:08 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 16:08 |
| ShadowJK | it looked absolutely gigantic :) | 16:08 |
| slonopotamus | oooh! that's "dead huge pixels" from https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5663 | 16:09 |
| povbot | Bug 5663: User-facing camera produces a left side dark vertical band | 16:09 |
| * AndrewFBlack is so tired of hearing people complain that extra-devel broke my tablet | 16:09 | |
| ShadowJK | though most of it non-optified qt, I think? | 16:09 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: no clue | 16:09 |
| slonopotamus | who is Andre Klapper here? :) | 16:09 |
| * w00t points at andre__ | 16:10 | |
| andre__ | me? | 16:10 |
| slonopotamus | andre__: can you comment on bug 5663 and "dead huge pixels"? | 16:10 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5663 User-facing camera produces a left side dark vertical band | 16:10 |
| zerojay | andre__: You're in trouble now! | 16:10 |
| * andre__ looks at his sandwich and waits three minutes to have two hands again | 16:11 | |
| ccooke | Hmm. portrait mode browser is working very well :-) | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | mm, sandwich | 16:12 |
| slonopotamus | andre__: is front camera really so broken or it is just sw problems? | 16:12 |
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| thresh | it is a problem in driver, IIRC | 16:12 |
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| andre__ | slonopotamus, what do you refer to? general camera quality, or the bug report itself which is fixed now? | 16:14 |
| thresh | and it is fine now in PR1.1 | 16:14 |
| thresh | (wasnt in 44-1) | 16:14 |
| slonopotamus | andre__: Comment #6 from Tim Samoff : Should this be reopened, or should a new bug be filed? | 16:14 |
| andre__ | slonopotamus, feel free to file a new report... | 16:15 |
| slonopotamus | and comment #11 | 16:15 |
| andre__ | don't know. | 16:15 |
| slonopotamus | okaay | 16:15 |
| w00t | since everyone else says portrait mode is so good, let me be the first to whinge about my webpages looking too small in portrait mode | 16:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | w00t, only fools say that. ;) | 16:15 |
| andre__ | slonopotamus, I simply don't know. I have no N3000 to compare the quality to :-P | 16:15 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: :-D | 16:15 |
| Ronnie^ | ccooke: apart from the screen tearing and the complete absence of any controls ;p | 16:16 |
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| slonopotamus | andre__: well, if you saw huge dead pixels, you would know it is totally unacceptable | 16:16 |
| X-Fade | slonopotamus: No dead pixels here. | 16:16 |
| andre__ | slonopotamus, for that I would have to use the camera | 16:16 |
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| * chem|st saw dead people... | 16:16 | |
| tybollt | chem|st: you in haita then | 16:17 |
| slonopotamus | meh... how i take a shot of it? | 16:17 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: I'm in a race. | 16:17 |
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| anidel | hi ! | 16:17 |
| kynde | Could someone do a `uname -a' on a 1.1 updated device? (did the kernel change, or was it even supposed to change?) | 16:17 |
| chem|st | hi anidel | 16:17 |
| anidel | hi chem|st | 16:17 |
| w00t | kynde: one moment | 16:17 |
| chem|st | tybollt: no through the front cam... | 16:17 |
| ccooke | Ronnie^: not noticed any tearing, but the lack of a controls... | 16:17 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Charge N900 battery fast enough to get 1.0.1 before 1.1 release... and if not, I'm fucked. lol | 16:17 |
| w00t | Linux explicit 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Thu Dec 17 09:40:52 EET 2009 armv7l unknown | 16:17 |
| ShadowJK | I guess I could take pic with Nokia E75 front webcam as comparison point :) | 16:17 |
| kynde | w00t: thanks | 16:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, why? | 16:18 |
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| kynde | So it didn't. | 16:18 |
| slonopotamus | ShadowJK: have them too? | 16:18 |
| w00t | nope, at least, not the build info :P | 16:18 |
| w00t | the date certainly did. | 16:18 |
| X-Fade | zerojay: Connect it to usb while updating? Works fine. | 16:18 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: If I don't have 1.0.1, I can't SSU to 1.1 and need to reflash instead... and I can't do that. | 16:18 |
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| zerojay | X-Fade: That would be nice if I had a USB port left that worked. | 16:18 |
| ShadowJK | slonopotamus: never tried front cam on n900 :) | 16:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, SSU should work just like Diablo. | 16:18 |
| X-Fade | zerojay: Get more batteries then ;) | 16:18 |
| kynde | w00t: alright then, all's well. :) | 16:18 |
| ShadowJK | ooh, it's installing the update now | 16:18 |
| zerojay | X-Fade: And if.. you know, Quim or anyone at Nokia would respond to my e-mails about it being broken, but I'm just ignored so... | 16:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, you'll always get the next newest update. | 16:19 |
| tybollt | ShadowJK: grab a coffee, recline your chair... relax... it's not going to be quick =) | 16:19 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Well, according to quim's notes, if you don't have 1.0.1 installed, you can't SSU 1.1. | 16:19 |
| pierlux | bilboed-pi, looks like I will have to update mapbuddy's website, ovi maps now start in 21 seconds! ;) | 16:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, well, duh. | 16:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, which is why you install 1.0.1 THEN 1.1. | 16:19 |
| ShadowJK | tybollt: I grabbed my N810 ;) | 16:20 |
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| zerojay | Yes, but when 1.1 goes active on SSU, 1.0.1 is no longer available. :) | 16:20 |
| tybollt | ShadowJK: :) | 16:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, really? | 16:20 |
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| zerojay | That's what he said. | 16:20 |
| X-Fade | zerojay: 1.0 devices can't even see the 1.1 release. | 16:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Interesting | 16:20 |
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| slonopotamus | meh, ctrl+shift+p doesn | 16:20 |
| X-Fade | zerojay: Because they don't know about the correct repo? | 16:20 |
| zerojay | X-Fade: I'm just going by what his release notes said. | 16:20 |
| zerojay | X-Fade: No idea. | 16:20 |
| tybollt | nonono zerojay, the correct meme goes "That's what _she_ said" ;-) | 16:20 |
| chem|st | guim jsut stated today that the guys disabled adobe-flash-cam-support because of the bad video output it produced, maybe they left out the whole front cam stuff like video phoning and else... | 16:21 |
| zerojay | lol | 16:21 |
| zerojay | Guim lives in Guam. | 16:21 |
| anidel | Quim then lives in ? | 16:21 |
| chem|st | sry quim... | 16:21 |
| edheldil | Qwlghm | 16:21 |
| anidel | eheh | 16:21 |
| zerojay | Quim lives in Quahog. | 16:22 |
| zerojay | With the Griffins. | 16:22 |
| anidel | zerojay, how cold is over there? | 16:22 |
| anidel | zerojay, you know, tomorrow I'll know if I'm moving up there or not :D | 16:22 |
| zerojay | anidel: It's -4C, -10C with wind chill right now. Not bad. | 16:23 |
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| anidel | I like the "not bad" part :p | 16:23 |
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| dymaxion | Woo hoo ! new firmware H3G SIM fixed ... just need to update... | 16:23 |
| dymaxion | OTA update not available for PR1.1 ... at least not for me :-( don't know why... sigh | 16:24 |
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| zerojay | I'm new here in this area too, so I'm not too sure what the norm is but it seems like it's milder than it was in Quebec. Worst it's been here was about -20C with the windchill whereas I was lucky if it wasn't worse than that all the time in Quebec. | 16:24 |
| ShadowJK | last week the digital thermometer was blinking "out of range" like a blinking vcr clock, and I lost a power cable when the plastic disitegrated in the cold :( | 16:24 |
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| guaqua | hi folks, any way of accessing /home without booting? | 16:25 |
| ShadowJK | "not bad" is accurate for -10C ;P | 16:25 |
| guaqua | i.e. a bricked device | 16:25 |
| chem|st | dymaxion: just be patient... it will drop in some time soon for everybody | 16:25 |
| fcrozat | dymaxion: which release are you running ATM ? | 16:25 |
| guaqua | (most likely due to /var now residing in mmc it doesn't boot anymore) | 16:25 |
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| ShadowJK | guaqua: no | 16:26 |
| dymaxion | I see it on the OTA updates in App manager, but when I try to install it won't let me... says I need to use NSU... i've updated the other day with PR 1.0.1 now at revision 1.2009.44-1.203.4 | 16:26 |
| ShadowJK | guaqua: but the regular flashing doesn't touch anything on mmc | 16:26 |
| guaqua | ShadowJK: is there a way to access some part of the device during bootup | 16:26 |
| zerojay | Some people have said that if you remove some of your installed apps from -devel or extras, it will allow SSU update. | 16:27 |
| dymaxion | only problem I'll not be able to update because I don't have Windows :-( so I'm gonna be stuck with old firmware unless I buy windows :-( | 16:27 |
| guaqua | ShadowJK: and all user data is in /home? | 16:27 |
| fcrozat | dymaxion: you can upgrade with linux .. | 16:27 |
| zerojay | dymaxion: Reflash using Linux. | 16:27 |
| guaqua | i.e. if i do the "regular flashing" i won't lose my contacts etc? | 16:27 |
| fcrozat | dymaxion: what kind of error do you have ? | 16:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qgil, ping? | 16:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori_nokia, ping? | 16:28 |
| chem|st | dymaxion: free some space | 16:28 |
| ShadowJK | guaqua: you'll lose installed apps, but I think contacts is stored in /home and not touched. I'm not entirely sure though | 16:28 |
| Caesium | woo update seems to be chugging along, it just rebooted and now displaying a progress bar | 16:28 |
| guaqua | ShadowJK: err, emmc i mean | 16:28 |
| dymaxion | no error.. just prompt to update via USB .. ... I'm sure I read that PR1.1 could be updates OTA... so just confused why not possible... chem|st maybe it's a space issue? I have 21Mb in rootfs... | 16:29 |
| pupnik | THANKS for the live twit update | 16:29 |
| chem|st | it is a space issue then | 16:29 |
| ShadowJK | yes you need over 45 meg free | 16:29 |
| Caesium | pupnik: sorry :) | 16:29 |
| flux | sooo, I'm almost at the end of apt-get upgrading (yes, it's bad) to PR1.1, should I do reboot as root or just turn off/turn on the device normally?-) | 16:30 |
| dymaxion | given that I've backed up my app list... I can freely uninstall every app right... and the restore should apt-get install all the missing stuff right? | 16:30 |
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| dymaxion | any idea how to find out what app is taking up the most space? | 16:31 |
| ShadowJK | guaqua: basically without one of those nokia service rigs with serial, jtag and what not, your best bet is the normal flashing (NOT emmc flashing!) | 16:31 |
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| ShadowJK | guaqua: btw, battery charging does not work when your device is in that state, and you will not be able to flash if battery is too low... just a warning :) | 16:33 |
| mrmg | woo | 16:33 |
| mrmg | Got linux of my UX now. Maybe this'll make development easier. :) | 16:34 |
| bilboed-pi | pierlux, f34r :) | 16:34 |
| mrmg | on | 16:34 |
| mrmg | s/of/on | 16:34 |
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| flux | whoo, it worked with apt-get as well, however I cannot suggest it to others, because I had to manually intervene during the ugprade | 16:35 |
| RST38h | Ok, telepathy-haze dies in 51-1 | 16:35 |
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| RST38h | Anyone knows what to do? | 16:35 |
| flux | also it took 3 freakin hours (possibly due to me moving dpkg off the fast flash) | 16:35 |
| gevaerts | Is there a way to disable the startup tune? People are getting annoyed by my attempts to make my phone work... | 16:35 |
| tybollt | ja | 16:36 |
| tybollt | I want to know as well >:) | 16:36 |
| tybollt | RST38h: ugh, what, really? I use it a lot, that's very sad :-/ | 16:36 |
| dymaxion | in /var/lib/dpkg/info /var/lib/apt/lists is taking up about 50Mb ! can i purge any of this in order to enable the OTA f/w update? | 16:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, works here. | 16:37 |
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| guaqua | ShadowJK: the battery is ok | 16:38 |
| tigert | gevaerts: put it to silent profile | 16:38 |
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| flux | everything almost went fine, except root shell (direct ssh) shows Nokia-N900-42-11, hmm.. | 16:39 |
| gevaerts | tigert: thanks! I'll try that | 16:39 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | OTA fails even with tons of space free, boo! | 16:39 |
| Caesium | flux: that's just from /etc/hostname. | 16:39 |
| Caesium | it didn't change after the 44-1 update either. | 16:40 |
| Arkenoi | google latitude icon changed to blue square after updating to pr1.1 and reinstall | 16:40 |
| flux | caesium, right, of course! should've noticed as I did the 44-upgrade the proper way :) | 16:40 |
| * gevaerts likes the no-lifeguard-reset flag | 16:41 | |
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| tigert | gevaerts: it shouldnt make noises then | 16:42 |
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| jon1012 | someone knows if there is a good design app for n900 ? | 16:43 |
| jon1012 | (maybe an inkscape port ?) | 16:43 |
| jon1012 | (or a gimp port ?) | 16:43 |
| X-Fade | jon1012: resolution is just too low. | 16:43 |
| Caesium | gimp on the n900 would make my eyes bleed :) | 16:43 |
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| lcuk | art/design on the n900 would work | 16:44 |
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| lcuk | if the app is written cleanly | 16:44 |
| * ifreq would love to have sketch app which support txt typing also :P | 16:44 | |
| ifreq | (from keyboard) | 16:44 |
| dneary | hi | 16:44 |
| lcuk | indeed ifreq | 16:44 |
| lcuk | lolcat creation ftw | 16:44 |
| lcuk | hi dneary | 16:45 |
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| dneary | lcuk, Did you see Attanu's mail? | 16:45 |
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| tigert | lcuk: it would need a good ui | 16:46 |
| jon1012_ | oops got disconnected | 16:46 |
| lcuk | i get something in the region of 400 mails a day | 16:46 |
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| jon1012_ | someone told me something ? | 16:46 |
| lcuk | tigert :) | 16:46 |
| tigert | but other than that, why not | 16:46 |
| lcuk | dneary, narrow it down a bit and ill look | 16:46 |
| tigert | precise input is tricky | 16:46 |
| lcuk | zoom | 16:47 |
| lcuk | draw | 16:47 |
| lcuk | zoom | 16:47 |
| lcuk | draw | 16:47 |
| dneary | lcuk, The guy who wants to write an article on PUSH | 16:47 |
| flux | btw, what is the proper way to turn off browserd? grep browser /etc/event.d/* turns up nothing. | 16:47 |
| dneary | lcuk, Ah, sorry - not Attanu, Swapnil | 16:47 |
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| * Gadgetoid_mbp does apt-get dist-upgrade and grumbles | 16:48 | |
| gevaerts | tigert: silent mode works. Thanks! | 16:48 |
| dneary | And it's Atanu, not Attanu | 16:48 |
| flux | gadgetoid_mbp, how much space in root? | 16:48 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | flux: about 50mb | 16:48 |
| flux | gadgetoid_mbp, well, I had 70 and I had to do it in two phases | 16:48 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | and my apt cache is in opt | 16:48 |
| flux | gadgetoid_mbp, so after installing 900 packages I had to interrupt and do dpkg --configure -a | 16:48 |
| lcuk | hey dneary yeah! just read now | 16:49 |
| lcuk | cool | 16:49 |
| tigert | gevaerts: np | 16:49 |
| flux | gadgetoid_mbp, after that I had 17M free to continue the rest of the installation | 16:49 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | flux: Cheers, sounds like..err... "fun" | 16:49 |
| lcuk | ben is gonna answer all the push stuff (since im not directly involved) but theres a party in london :D | 16:49 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | But damned if I can be bothered to flash this thing | 16:49 |
| flux | gadgetoid_mbp, try to make more space :) | 16:49 |
| flux | gadgetoid_mbp, I moved my dpkg files off the root.. | 16:49 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | not much left to uninstall | 16:50 |
| flux | gadgetoid_mbp, (whicih might have resulted in the slowwww upgarde, 3 hours) | 16:50 |
| pupnik | space is not his problem | 16:50 |
| gevaerts | hm, the lifeguard-reset thing keeps rebooting my phone. Any ideas on how to find why? | 16:50 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | space, the final frontier | 16:50 |
| flux | pupnik, what is, then? | 16:50 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | pupnik: fate is my problem, it just doesn't like me | 16:50 |
| * gevaerts doesn't really want to keep his phone in r&d mode forever | 16:51 | |
| tigert | cat /proc/bootreason | 16:51 |
| pupnik | there are many ways to break a computer os. arent where? :) | 16:52 |
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| niekt0 | damm package manager, cannot determine that I am already connected via usb cable | 16:53 |
| thresh | hehe | 16:53 |
| thresh | apt-get rules ;P | 16:53 |
| gevaerts | tigert: it reboots again too fast to be able to get at that, unless I'm in r&d mode with no-lifeguard-reset, and then it doesn't reboot at all... | 16:53 |
| gevaerts | Would syslog help? | 16:53 |
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| X-Fade | gevaerts: It records the *previous* boot. | 16:54 |
| niekt0 | thesh> yes, but sometimes I see packege in those manager after I apt-get purget it, strange | 16:54 |
| chem|st | dymaxion: still there? | 16:54 |
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| X-Fade | gevaerts: But I'm not sure it it updates before completely booting though. | 16:54 |
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| gevaerts | X-Fade: It was in a reboot loop until I switched it off, used the flasher to put it in r&d mode, and then it says pwr_btn | 16:56 |
| X-Fade | gevaerts: Hmm ok, then you are our of luck. Well you can install syslog? | 16:57 |
| gevaerts | trying that now | 16:57 |
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| HoX | is there anybody which can help me with a flashing issues? | 16:57 |
| chem|st | HoX: just ask your question | 16:58 |
| pupnik | suggest removing "RnD Mode" permanently | 16:58 |
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| qgil | GeneralAntilles: pong | 16:59 |
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| RST38h | Ok, one victim of 51-1 is the ICQ support | 16:59 |
| tigert | gevaerts: bootreason should still be there | 16:59 |
| HoX | i'm flashing my n900, but it stops on the message "Suitable USB device not found, waiting." | 16:59 |
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| tigert | iirc | 16:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, is 51-1 a 5.0 or a 5.1 release? | 17:00 |
| HoX | is it normal or should it tell me something while flashing? | 17:00 |
| chem|st | HoX: running which host system? | 17:00 |
| gevaerts | "Jan 14 15:57:09 Nokia-N900-42-11 init: nokiamessaging main process (1165) terminated with status 2" | 17:00 |
| konttori_nokia | GeneralAntilles, pong | 17:00 |
| qgil | 5.0, if that matters | 17:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | konttori_nokia, good timing | 17:00 |
| wazd | konttori_nokia: we have a question bout QML | 17:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, interesting, thanks | 17:00 |
| dymaxion | hi chem|st , yup I', here... decided might try the flasher.3.5 from linux instead...... don't think I can free up anymore space on my rootfs | 17:01 |
| wazd | konttori_nokia: is it worth using to code UI for future maemo releases? | 17:01 |
| chem|st | dymaxion: you can be patient | 17:01 |
| wazd | konttori_nokia: since it's actually not stable and stuff | 17:01 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: no significant change in the tools or API, just a content upgrade to match the OS | 17:01 |
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| chem|st | what about old .deb files? | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: Qt for sure | 17:01 |
| xorAxAx | do you know how i can configure the alarm sound of gpe-calendar? | 17:01 |
| chem|st | dymaxion: apt-get clean or autoclean? | 17:02 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: well, Qt, yes, but QML? :) | 17:02 |
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| dymaxion | yup tried both.. | 17:02 |
| HoX | linux | 17:02 |
| dymaxion | the main stuff left is in dpkg/info | 17:02 |
| dymaxion | 30Mb | 17:02 |
| konttori_nokia | wazd, qml will be also in harmattan | 17:02 |
| konttori_nokia | I see no reason why not use it | 17:02 |
| chem|st | HoX: what does dmsg say to you device? | 17:02 |
| konttori_nokia | it will also be in S60, so if you make qml app, it will be easily cross platform compatible | 17:02 |
| dymaxion | even with the USB.... I'm guessing I'll still need to move these files out of the way? shall i move them to mmc1, or MyDocs somewhere like that.. or will that break it ? | 17:03 |
| konttori_nokia | one definite advantage over anything you would do on dui | 17:03 |
| wazd | konttori_nokia: oh, great, thanks | 17:03 |
| konttori_nokia | qml is mostly stable already | 17:03 |
| pillar | qgil I just tried to upgrade the sdk, but apt-get upgrade returns errors and stops | 17:03 |
| qgil | konttori_nokia: watch your language: it's called Symbian ;) | 17:03 |
| konttori_nokia | it'll be just some additions after this | 17:03 |
| konttori_nokia | qgil, oh, yeah, well, that too | 17:03 |
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| chem|st | dymaxion: have you uninstalled extras-devel and testing stuff? | 17:04 |
| pillar | also, trying to upgrade libqt4-maemo5-* on the device gives error when upgrading maemo-launcher - reason: Size mismatch | 17:04 |
| qgil | pillar: I'm sorry but I'm not the best person to ask | 17:04 |
| konttori_nokia | so, you can easily make a qt app that contains all of the UI code in qml and all logic is handled in the qt component | 17:04 |
| dymaxion | i've deactivated the repos, but not uninstall any apps from there.... not sure which apps to remove... | 17:04 |
| pillar | qgil: sure, just thought that maybe there was some known error | 17:04 |
| wazd | konttori_nokia: we're already hacking around with fancy animations :P | 17:05 |
| konttori_nokia | nice! | 17:05 |
| dymaxion | want to big hit and remove the biggest ones... any guesses ? or definitive way of finding out which apps? | 17:05 |
| * SpeedEvil is listening to Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of the Sun - on unamplified 4 ohm speakers plugged into the phones socket. Surprisingly listenable. | 17:05 | |
| konttori_nokia | don't you just love the flexibility of it! | 17:05 |
| konttori_nokia | It's really close to what flash offers. | 17:05 |
| * dymaxion thinks this tiny rootfs thing is such a pain :-) | 17:05 | |
| konttori_nokia | even better in some respects (and free to use) | 17:05 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | flux: no space left on device :D | 17:05 |
| wazd | konttori_nokia: well, the main advantage that it's not flash :D | 17:06 |
| konttori_nokia | we are planning to to on-boot optification of content. It should release a lot of space (that will be digested with the qt4.6 - at least partially ) | 17:06 |
| flux | gadgetoid_mbp, well, it was to be expected | 17:06 |
| konttori_nokia | wazd, sure! | 17:06 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Configuring now | 17:06 |
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| HoX | chem|st: this are the last lines of dmesg | 17:07 |
| HoX | usb 1-5: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 12 | 17:08 |
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| HoX | usb 1-5: configuration #1 chosen from 2 choices | 17:08 |
| HoX | scsi9 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices | 17:08 |
| HoX | usb-storage: device found at 12 | 17:08 |
| HoX | usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning | 17:08 |
| HoX | usb 1-5: USB disconnect, address 12 | 17:08 |
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| HoX | ata1.00: configured for UDMA/133 | 17:08 |
| HoX | ata1: EH complete | 17:08 |
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| chem|st | HoX: usb 1-5: USB disconnect? | 17:09 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | flux: then apt-get dist-upgrade to resume with -f ? | 17:10 |
| chem|st | dymaxion: uninstall games like duke3D, google latituded frees about 10MB | 17:10 |
| HoX | chem|st: it could be from the previous work... i mounted the device for a backup and then i toggle the usb as the instruction says | 17:11 |
| Bluewind | Gadgetoid_mbp: yes | 17:11 |
| konttori_nokia | GeneralAntilles, did you have anything else you wanted comments on, except that qml thingy? | 17:11 |
| konttori_nokia | we already have qml on harmattan afaik. | 17:11 |
| flux | gadgetoid_mbp, well, you're still out of space, no? | 17:12 |
| chem|st | HoX: Remove USB, hold the u key and plug it back in. Wait until you get a boot screen with usb logo in top right, and let go of the key. | 17:12 |
| flux | gadgetoid_mbp, dpkg --configure -a | 17:12 |
| HoX | i've done it | 17:12 |
| Bluewind | can I somehow get rid of all those -l10n packages for locales I don't need? | 17:12 |
| flux | gadgetoid_mbp, in any case I think 50M was too low to ever complete this operation without a reboot, and I don't know if you can reboot during that.. well, best of luck :) | 17:12 |
| chem|st | HoX: at the point u get the no suitable device | 17:12 |
| chem|st | msg | 17:12 |
| HoX | chem|st: I already have the boot screen with the usb logo | 17:12 |
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| HoX | chem|st: but the flasher is still on that message | 17:13 |
| chem|st | mmh | 17:13 |
| chem|st | try again... | 17:13 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Well, it's finished | 17:14 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | And it didn't take 3 hours | 17:14 |
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| MohammadAG | dymaxion, you could've moved the apt directory to /home | 17:14 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Took about 30 mins | 17:14 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | 98% root usage... err | 17:15 |
| Bluewind | i'm updateing mostyl locales -.- | 17:15 |
| redeeman | im surprised it doesn't use more space | 17:15 |
| redeeman | i got no increase in space usage and it added Qt packages | 17:15 |
| chem|st | redeeman: should be around 102% now... | 17:15 |
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| HoX | chem|st: from what I understand if it's flashing the device? something on the phone or on the computer console? | 17:17 |
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| redeeman | im confused, the wiki changelog says they fixed the problem with not being able to properly align icons on the "desktop", but i cant see how to do that? | 17:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | wooot. Pr1.1 finally. Only took me uninstalling of xxty apps to make space for HAM dl | 17:19 |
| chem|st | HoX: it should start extracting to your device | 17:19 |
| chem|st | instantly | 17:19 |
| HoX | again... it does nothing | 17:19 |
| HoX | chem|st: I try to put it in flashing mode BEFORE i start the program... | 17:20 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | flux: Rebooted, looks good, thanks :) | 17:20 |
| chem|st | HoX: no | 17:20 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | And back to a not-too-bad 77% root usage | 17:20 |
| Bluewind | how much free? | 17:21 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | 51.6mb | 17:21 |
| chem|st | you start the flashing tool wait for the message 'No suitable...' and then you press 'u' plugin and wait for the state, then release keys and it should start | 17:21 |
| Jef91 | 90 maemo update... | 17:21 |
| Jef91 | Dare I ask? | 17:21 |
| flux | all that disk space recovery put me into 57M free - from 30M. I suppose I won't be installing all those remaining non-optified programs back.. | 17:21 |
| HoX | chem|st: could it be related to the mandriva issue? (http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher on the bottom) | 17:21 |
| HoX | chem|st: i'm using arch linux | 17:21 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | flux: too right! | 17:21 |
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| Jef91 | 90meg* | 17:22 |
| Bluewind | and around 1k packets | 17:22 |
| Bluewind | ahm packages* | 17:22 |
| chem|st | HoX: you may try an ubuntu live cd... but it should work with arch... | 17:23 |
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| flux | too bad it's difficult to know beforehand which apps are optified and which not | 17:23 |
| tybollt | guess we need a HALL OF SHAME list for packages ;) | 17:23 |
| HoX | chem|st: I'll try tomorrow on my office pc (with debian) | 17:23 |
| flux | maybe new headers are in order: X-Opt-Installed-Size: xxx? | 17:24 |
| Jef91 | flux: its not hard to optify a package | 17:24 |
| pupnik | would love that | 17:25 |
| chem|st | HoX: are u using a hub or something? | 17:25 |
| HoX | chem|st: at the third time, finally it works | 17:25 |
| HoX | chem|st: thanks for the help | 17:25 |
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| HoX | chem|st: how much time will it take? | 17:25 |
| chem|st | a while, hope you battery is fully charged... | 17:26 |
| HoX | chem|st: it has finished :D | 17:26 |
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| HoX | chem|st: thank you very much | 17:26 |
| chem|st | HoX: happy to assist | 17:27 |
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| |R | so uhm, should i apt-get install mp-fremantle-002-pr ? the app manager want me to have a USB cabe and a software i don't have... | 17:32 |
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| Dr_Cain | so uh | 17:33 |
| Dr_Cain | update through the app manager or through apt-get? | 17:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | |R, remove libqt4-phonon | 17:33 |
| qgil | About to leave my desk. I think the best is to protect http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1 from changes | 17:33 |
| |R | GeneralAntilles: not installed :/ | 17:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | |R, then something else is conflicting. | 17:33 |
| pupnik | GeneralAntilles: do you recall the name of app to control phone 2G/3G? | 17:33 |
| qgil | there is still the discussion page and several community guys with editing permissions | 17:34 |
| pupnik | good call | 17:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qgil, done. | 17:34 |
| guaqua | umm. where can i get the fiasco image? | 17:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, 2G/3G switch or something like that | 17:35 |
| guaqua | it says to get the fiasco image, but there is no url to it | 17:35 |
| qgil | wow GeneralAntilles you were faster than me | 17:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | guaqua, same place as always. | 17:35 |
| guaqua | "as always" | 17:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com | 17:35 |
| qgil | next time I'll do first and then comment :) | 17:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, good plan. ;) | 17:35 |
| qgil | ;) | 17:35 |
| qgil | touché | 17:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, it's in Desktop near the top. | 17:35 |
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| pupnik | 3g2g-mode-selection-applet - Switch between the three network modes (3G, 2G and Dual) from the status menu | 17:35 |
| pupnik | ty | 17:35 |
| * GeneralAntilles assumed the comment was a request. *g* | 17:35 | |
| qgil | alright, thank you everybody! I think it's one of the best maintenance releases we have done so far | 17:36 |
| qgil | thanks to you as well | 17:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | later, qgil | 17:36 |
| |R | GeneralAntilles: should i just alias /var/cache/apt/archives and do it with apt-get ? (apt-get install only complains about free space) | 17:36 |
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| pupnik | GA is great | 17:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | |R, it's an option, just review apt's changes list carefully. | 17:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'd disable any of the non-default repositories, too. | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I can't install coreutils via HAM. I've been told that's intentional and OK. But WTF is showing up coreutils_l10n-ZHHK in HAM then?? And how could I possibly get rid of those *-ZHHK pkgs spamming the whole appmanager? | 17:37 |
| pupnik | it is a great upgrade qgil | 17:37 |
| pupnik | DocScrutinizer51: agree | 17:37 |
| |R | GeneralAntilles: I did (repo off) and the list seems legit, nothing removed, only upgrades or suggested package :) | 17:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer51, disable Extras-devel. | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: hmm. OK | 17:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | But, yes, somebody needs to describe the concept of metapackages to that maintainer then delete the spam. | 17:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: ...if you will spank ZHHK maintainer ;-P | 17:39 |
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| zitune | hi everybody | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: ack. :) | 17:40 |
| papo | ok, so flashing will wipe *everything*, including /, /home and /home/MyDocs, right? | 17:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | papo, no. | 17:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Flashing wipes / | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nope | 17:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you want to wipe stuff on the eMMC, you have to flash the eMMC image. | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | flashing eMMC wipes all | 17:41 |
| papo | hrm I don't feel comfortable with the wiki which sais "Beware that flashing a new image on your device will reset the device back to factory defaults and remove all data not on the memory card" | 17:41 |
| jon1012 | qgil is here ? | 17:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | The eMMC is a memory card. | 17:41 |
| papo | hm ok | 17:42 |
| papo | I agree but still don't feel comfortable :) | 17:42 |
| papo | GeneralAntilles: so which is which? | 17:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | papo, because you don't trust us? | 17:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | papo, the eMMC is a soldered-on SD card. | 17:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | So there are two memory cards. | 17:42 |
| papo | GeneralAntilles: just because I'm prudent | 17:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be aware that the wiki page goes over the steps to flash the eMMC. | 17:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So that warning is applicable if you follow those steps. | 17:43 |
| papo | GeneralAntilles: Hm yes it makes sense, I saw two different types of images | 17:43 |
| guaqua | papo: bricked yours too? | 17:43 |
| papo | guaqua: not yet | 17:43 |
| guaqua | guardian: i'm just flashing mine after bricking it, with the non-emmc-image | 17:43 |
| guaqua | we'll see what's missing | 17:44 |
| pupnik | bricks are not flashable | 17:44 |
| matthew- | any way of changing the looks of the console ? | 17:44 |
| papo | so the MMC-image is / and the other image is /home and /home/user/MyDocs or is it vice-versa? | 17:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | matthew-, options? | 17:44 |
| guaqua | pupnik: bricking as in not being able to boot | 17:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | papo, the eMMC image is /home /home/user/MyDocs | 17:44 |
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| ifreq | hmm my 3G/2G does not work anymore.. getting IP but no data traffic :P | 17:44 |
| matthew- | GeneralAntilles: i can only see the font settings | 17:44 |
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| papo | GeneralAntilles: ok so to get the new firmware I want to flush the non-MMC then | 17:45 |
| papo | err flash | 17:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | guaqua, no, bricking is either hardware or bootloader failure. | 17:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | guaqua, a corrupted install isn't "bricking" | 17:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's a reboot loop. | 17:45 |
| guaqua | semantics | 17:45 |
| guaqua | mine didn't boot | 17:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | matthew-, what else do you need? | 17:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | guaqua, but important ones here. | 17:45 |
| guaqua | nor did it go to a reboot loop | 17:45 |
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| matthew- | GeneralAntilles: wanna change background color! | 17:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | guaqua, when you throw around terms like "brick" it means different things to different people. | 17:45 |
| matthew- | want it to look as my desktop does | 17:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | matthew-, then look more closely at that dialog. | 17:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | guaqua, when discussing troubleshooting, brick means unrecoverable | 17:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | if you flash it and get it working again, it aint bricked. | 17:46 |
| papo | GeneralAntilles: last time I checked, there were several flavours of that one, including general and global (IIRC). Which one do you recommend? And one more thing: I would still have stuff in my /home/opt then, right? can I safely remove it? and use the backupped application list to re-install the apps I had before? | 17:46 |
| guaqua | GeneralAntilles: well what is it, then? | 17:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | papo, you can remove it, but you don't really need to. | 17:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | guaqua, unbootable. | 17:46 |
| guaqua | okay | 17:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | papo, pick the firmware for your region. | 17:47 |
| matthew- | guaqua: just reinstall the od | 17:47 |
| matthew- | os* | 17:47 |
| guaqua | i reflashed and it seems to work | 17:47 |
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| guaqua | or boot | 17:47 |
| niekt0 | how much space is required for new update? 50MB is evidently too few.. | 17:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | niekt0, why do you say so? | 17:48 |
| matthew- | niekt0: on rootfs? | 17:48 |
| matthew- | i had 43 | 17:48 |
| papo | GeneralAntilles: I'll come back to that question when I will download the image... so if I import my backup (done with the backup application) after flashing, I won't be missing anything? (SMS, contacts, call log, shortcuts, widgets etc)? | 17:48 |
| niekt0 | matthew> failed to write status record about `telnet' to `/var/lib/dpkg/status': No space left on device | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | niekt0: me as well 42MB | 17:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | papo, no. | 17:48 |
| niekt0 | hmm | 17:48 |
| papo | ok | 17:48 |
| hrw | niekt0: I had 45MB | 17:49 |
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| papo | GeneralAntilles: I guess I'll give it a try then | 17:49 |
| papo | GeneralAntilles: thank you | 17:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | niekt0, are you upgrading with apt-get? | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | niekt0: depends on locale or the like | 17:49 |
| X-Fade | niekt0: Using apt-get? | 17:49 |
| niekt0 | jj | 17:49 |
| X-Fade | don't do that. | 17:49 |
| niekt0 | apt-get update, upt-get upgrade | 17:49 |
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| matthew- | use the updater | 17:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | niekt0, apt caches to the rootfs. | 17:49 |
| niekt0 | it wail to work while connected over usb | 17:49 |
| matthew- | or u need extra 90meg | 17:49 |
| X-Fade | That will leave you with alot less space after upgrade too. | 17:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | niekt0, so clearly it can't manage to download 85MB of packages to 50MB of space. | 17:49 |
| niekt0 | no, my cache is linked to /home/user/MyDocs/cache | 17:49 |
| X-Fade | As apt-get doesn't set compression settings. | 17:50 |
| matthew- | :) | 17:50 |
| jon1012 | are there peoiple from nokia here or just community ? | 17:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | niekt0, use the application manager. | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | jon1012: community includes nokians | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | niekt0: doesn,t matter where Ur cache is linked | 17:50 |
| matthew- | jon1012: both! | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | use HAN! | 17:50 |
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| jon1012 | what is the best way to distribute a closed source app for n900 ? | 17:51 |
| tybollt | PLEASE EVERYONE can you stop saying HAM all the time? I'm getting hungry over here >:) | 17:51 |
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| jon1012 | (using pymaemo) | 17:51 |
| thresh | mmmm... beer | 17:51 |
| penguinbait | bacon | 17:51 |
| thresh | sorry | 17:51 |
| matthew- | damn, im argueing with my gf. and she brought food to me. i was starving and i thought ill breake but hunger is gone | 17:51 |
| matthew- | break | 17:51 |
| niekt0 | DocScrutinizer51> ?? doesn't matter? | 17:51 |
| Dr_Cain | alright, 1.1 going in | 17:51 |
| * Dr_Cain holds thumbs | 17:52 | |
| matthew- | :p | 17:52 |
| matthew- | gl | 17:52 |
| Dr_Cain | hehe | 17:52 |
| matthew- | and is n900 louder than ipod? | 17:53 |
| tybollt | n900 isn't particularely loud | 17:53 |
| Dr_Cain | louder in what way? | 17:53 |
| tybollt | makes a pretty feeble alarm bell :) | 17:53 |
| Dr_Cain | the speakers or headphones? | 17:53 |
| tybollt | that said I should get pair of BT speakers ;) | 17:53 |
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| nomis | tybollt: just put it on a hard surface. The vibration motor will wake you up without any support by the speakers. | 17:54 |
| tybollt | nomis: :) that's actually how it does work for me - yes | 17:54 |
| nomis | tybollt: (which I actually dislike a lot) | 17:54 |
| tybollt | bzzzzzzzzzzzzt bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt :) | 17:54 |
| * gevaerts 's phone is working again :) | 17:54 | |
| matthew- | Dr_Cain: speakers | 17:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | nomis, I don't get why they have an ascending volume alarm but start the vibra off at full throttle. <_< | 17:54 |
| nomis | GeneralAntilles: I don't get why it is impossible to disable this, except globally for everything. | 17:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | nomis, indeed. | 17:55 |
| nomis | it totally kills the "sneakingly-wake-up" effect. | 17:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | nomis, I'd also like to kill vibra for IMs. | 17:55 |
| Dr_Cain | isn't pulseaudio there to protect them? :P | 17:55 |
| cvandonderen | How long does that 2.2009.51.1 update take to complete? | 17:55 |
| cvandonderen | it has been on 'time left: 3 minutes' for the past 10 minutes | 17:56 |
| matthew- | cvandonderen: 15mins? | 17:56 |
| nomis | cvandonderen: takes a while. Took at least half an hour for me. | 17:56 |
| matthew- | :) | 17:56 |
| cvandonderen | okay | 17:56 |
| nomis | (there was a "time left" indicator???) | 17:56 |
| cvandonderen | I was thinking it had crashed already | 17:56 |
| * |R apt-get install the upadte .... | 17:56 | |
| cvandonderen | NSU 1.8.10 | 17:56 |
| nomis | cvandonderen: or is it still downloading? | 17:57 |
| cvandonderen | no, I use gthe desktop app | 17:57 |
| cvandonderen | not the flasher | 17:57 |
| X-Fade | cvandonderen: Flashing itself should only take a few seconds. | 17:57 |
| cvandonderen | hmmm | 17:57 |
| * xorAxAx pushes 9 crash reports! | 17:57 | |
| Dr_Cain | it's installing still for me still.. | 17:57 |
| Dr_Cain | looks about 45% complete | 17:57 |
| cvandonderen | but I'll probably brick it when I pull the cable out, won't it? | 17:57 |
| xorAxAx | my device is a gold mine for developers :) | 17:57 |
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| tg | mine just finished | 17:58 |
| tg | it took 3 hours | 17:58 |
| |R | d/l complete... | 17:58 |
| tybollt | ok so now 1.1 is in ... your top caveats after 1.1 is applied (things that weren't fixed)? | 17:58 |
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| X-Fade | Anyway, flashing is better than OTA upgrading when you look at available space left on root. | 17:59 |
| cvandonderen | I hope they fixed secure bluetooth pairing (apple keyboard ;-)) | 17:59 |
| X-Fade | Altough OTA is less work for most. | 17:59 |
| pupnik | 1.1 upgrade freed 1.2MB here | 17:59 |
| Hydroxide | X-Fade: is that even true after the next reboot? | 17:59 |
| Hydroxide | or is that bug fixed too? | 17:59 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | just put my three sim in | 17:59 |
| * Hydroxide just applied 1.1 himself | 17:59 | |
| X-Fade | Hydroxide: Flash image uses the highest compression. OTA a bit lower. | 18:00 |
| Hydroxide | X-Fade: is that referring to compression in terms of transfer to the device, or some kind of semi-permanent on-disk compression? | 18:00 |
| X-Fade | Hydroxide: Rootfs is compressed. | 18:01 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Yay1 | 18:01 |
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| X-Fade | Hydroxide: On the fly compression is at a lower level, because it would hurt performance a lot. | 18:01 |
| cvandonderen | what should I do when it really doesn't respond anymore? | 18:01 |
| Hydroxide | X-Fade: ok. IIRC one of the fixes in 1.0.1 did make the kernel compatible with some kind of higher level of ubifs/lzo compression... I would have to look up the details. but ok | 18:01 |
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| X-Fade | Hydroxide: Yes, higher. | 18:01 |
| X-Fade | Hydroxide: Not highest. | 18:02 |
| Hydroxide | ok. so highest is only from the flash. got it. | 18:02 |
| Hydroxide | Gadgetoid_mbp: works? | 18:02 |
| hrw | question: what do you think about reporting bugs against extras(any) packages due to lack of descriptions? | 18:02 |
| |R | unpacking and the rootfs is down to 10MB... | 18:02 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Hydroxide: Yup :D | 18:02 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Just worked with 3G right out of the box | 18:02 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Don't know about calls, as it's technically a data-only AIM | 18:02 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | SIM* | 18:02 |
| Hydroxide | hrw: wearing my debian-developer hat I think that's a good idea, though I have no idea what maemo's policy is on that | 18:02 |
| Hydroxide | Gadgetoid_mbp: ah | 18:03 |
| hrw | Hydroxide: with my debian-user hat I also think of it as good. but I also know that community packages are often low quality | 18:03 |
| Hydroxide | hrw: at least if you pick the appropriate severity/whateverbugzillacallsit | 18:03 |
| Hydroxide | hrw: true. that's no reason not to encourage higher quality IMHO :) | 18:03 |
| |R | 0 space left... | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: frontcam still borked fubar | 18:04 |
| Hydroxide | X-Fade: looks like my root partition is 84% used whereas I think it was closer to 88% used before the upgrade. I may be misremembering but in any case it doesn't seem worse in a relevant way for me | 18:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: or at least mirror app clinging to the old pointilism behaviour | 18:06 |
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| |R | where does apt unpacks it stuff? | 18:06 |
| X-Fade | Hydroxide: That doesn't tell you anything? | 18:06 |
| |R | it just filled the rootfs and died | 18:06 |
| Hydroxide | X-Fade: I'm not sure what you're asking. | 18:06 |
| guaqua | i'm not suggesting OTA for anyone | 18:06 |
| X-Fade | Hydroxide: That just tells you that the upgrade uses less storage. Doesn't tell you what you would have had if you flashed ;) | 18:07 |
| Hydroxide | X-Fade: oh, I do realize that | 18:07 |
| niekt0 | hmm, what now, apt freezes somewhere in the middle, 5MB left free on / ?;) | 18:07 |
| Hydroxide | X-Fade: I just meant it didn't seem worse in a relevant way than before the upgrade, not as compared to flashing | 18:08 |
| |R | niekt0: same here... | 18:08 |
| X-Fade | Hydroxide: Fwiw, my N900 is at 73% after ota. | 18:08 |
| Hydroxide | X-Fade: sorry if I was unclear | 18:08 |
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| * |R dpkg --configure -a ... we'll see | 18:08 | |
| Hydroxide | X-Fade: ah. well I do have a bunch of stuff installed, and even with optification some of it adds up | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | X-Fade: any idea when we might see a fix for VGA cam driver? | 18:08 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer51: Works fine now? | 18:08 |
| X-Fade | At least it does on my devices? | 18:09 |
| niekt0 | |R > I removed almost everything except basic system, so maybe is time for reflash | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nah' not at all | 18:09 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer51: Band is gone? | 18:09 |
| |R | niekt0: you're doing it with apt-get ? | 18:09 |
| niekt0 | I was;) | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yup band is gone | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but noise is same as before | 18:09 |
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| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer51: Well, then you see the real 'quality' of the cam ;) | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | impossible | 18:10 |
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| pupnik | it is microscopic | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | X-Fade: any chance to get the manuf's specs and QA criteria for that cam? | 18:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | X-Fade: btw is it the same as in N810? | 18:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | X-Fade: maybe my device actually is broken | 18:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | hrw, yes. | 18:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | hrw, Extras QA requirement is good description. | 18:13 |
| tg | anyone knows an expected release date for PR1.2? | 18:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | hrw, don't mention application name in short description, short description is not followed by a period, etc. | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | N810 cam is orders of magnitude better. Still crap but somewhat useable | 18:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | tg, no. | 18:13 |
| tg | mmhm | 18:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | tg, PR1.1 was just released today. :) | 18:14 |
| tg | yeah but seems like bug #5357 (ussd codes) is still not fixed in PR1.1 | 18:14 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5357 Does not accept GSM (USSD) Codes starting with *# | 18:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | tg, so, the answer for PR1.2 is "when it's ready". :) | 18:15 |
| qole | GeneralAntilles, how is the update going? | 18:15 |
| tg | okay | 18:15 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: odd. | 18:15 |
| hrw | tg: there are many bugs which were not fixed in 1.1 | 18:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | qole, aside from Qt brokenness, seemingly fine. | 18:15 |
| qole | t.m.o. was DDOSed when I went to bed last night | 18:15 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: the spec is IIRC 37dB@100 lux. Which isn't horribly aweful. | 18:15 |
| hrw | tg: and bugs which got note "maybe will be fixed in maemo17" | 18:16 |
| tg | yeah i thought so:> | 18:16 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: though that spec is a bit ambiguous - 100 lux on what sort of target. | 18:16 |
| tg | whats maemo17? | 18:16 |
| SpeedEvil | tg: A leak from the future. | 18:16 |
| tg | okay :> | 18:16 |
| hrw | tg: big unknown future | 18:16 |
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| hrw | tg: joking I am - s/maemo17/harmattan/ | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | anyway on N810 it's really pretty compared to N900 | 18:17 |
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| tg | btw, is there a way to run a script when the power button is pressed? | 18:18 |
| tg | or how can i catch that event | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: while with N810 I almost could take a passport snapshot at least, on N900 I hardly recognice myself (or any human face at all) | 18:18 |
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| niekt0 | |R> US or european (localized) version? | 18:19 |
| pupnik | http://manasource.org/files/maemo/ mana world devs picking up maemo - new packages | 18:19 |
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| jon1012 | woohoo first time using xchat on n900 | 18:21 |
| |R | niekt0: US | 18:21 |
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| Arkenoi | there is abiword in extras-devel, does it really work? | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | jon1012: nice, isn't it? | 18:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: MOAR LIGHT! | 18:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: at ~100000 lux - it's just bad. (sunlight) | 18:23 |
| jon1012 | yeah but had to put the black on white colors manually | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | SpeedEvil: well probably | 18:23 |
| jon1012 | and user list and menus look strange | 18:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I have problems believing it's _that_ bad in hardware if there is not a hardware issue. | 18:23 |
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| jon1012 | also, there is no touch scroll on chat panel so when i swipe to scroll, I select text | 18:24 |
| |R | ok moved /var/lib/dpkg too... | 18:24 |
| * DocScrutinizer-8 wonders if that's caused by the 'sunglasses effect' mentioned in disassemblage movie for the TS panel plastic | 18:24 | |
| niekt0 | hmm, maybe my problem is that update tried to install all language mutation | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | X-Fade: would you incidentally know if the N810 and N900 have same cam? | 18:26 |
| qole | Is packages interface generally borked ATM? | 18:26 |
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| qole | I try to go to my package, and get: "Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/helper/_dbfactory.php on line 451" | 18:28 |
| niekt0 | someone with working PR1.1 > do you have all the localization packages installed? | 18:28 |
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| |R | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 18:29 |
| |R | ok, went through them all... | 18:29 |
| |R | now ... rebooting haha (scream or pleasure? Answer after the break! :P) | 18:30 |
| jon1012 | qole: i dont know, but french is here | 18:30 |
| slonopotamus | yay | 18:30 |
| slonopotamus | first world with 3 stars :) | 18:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: actually a 'MOAR LIGHT' issue. With a 36W-FL it works quite 'good' now. With a 60W incandescent N810 outperforms N900 cam completely | 18:31 |
| inz | DocScrut, given that N810 gives semi-decent picture and N900 gives ~white noise, I would guess they're different | 18:32 |
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| Va6 | Hi | 18:32 |
| cvandonderen | when I have it connected over USB to use the software updater does it get it's power from the USB? | 18:32 |
| cvandonderen | I think my battery will die otherwise | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | inz: see above | 18:32 |
| Va6 | Is this the right channel to get help for N900? | 18:32 |
| cehteh | cvandonderen: when it says charging (and acctually does that) then yes | 18:32 |
| chem|st | Va6: maybe | 18:32 |
| cvandonderen | cehteh: it is updating | 18:32 |
| cvandonderen | has been for over an hour now | 18:33 |
| chem|st | cvandonderen: dont no didnt test but I guess no | 18:33 |
| lcuk | Va6, its the right channel to speak to a lot of n900 owners, whether any of can help you is a different issue | 18:33 |
| cvandonderen | what happens when I disconnect the cable now then? | 18:33 |
| cvandonderen | will it break, or can I use the flasher to repair? | 18:33 |
| chem|st | hi cehteh | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cvandonderen: you *always* can repair flash | 18:34 |
| cehteh | mine charged when usb is plugged in, sans bugs | 18:34 |
| cehteh | i made my charge light blink even when display is on .. thats a nice notifier | 18:34 |
| Va6 | Ok if somebody has a idea I would like to transfer callendar from my old 6680 to N900. I tried sync via Bluetooth. And it says failed. | 18:34 |
| cehteh | so just leave it it | 18:34 |
| cehteh | hi chem|st | 18:34 |
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| Va6 | I have win 7 so theree is no outlook yet. As far as i know. | 18:34 |
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| cehteh | note that the device can not run from usb power alone | 18:34 |
| cvandonderen | DocScrutinizer51: hmm, I might disconnect it then, this takes way too long | 18:34 |
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| chem|st | Va6: what possibilities do you have to export the 6680 calendar? | 18:35 |
| hrw | Va6: use pc suite? | 18:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: wasn,t it you who did evaluation of the (missing) controls of cam? Maybe check again now for the VGA might be informative | 18:37 |
| cehteh | mhm what costs more power, headphone amp or bluetooth? *thinking* | 18:37 |
| cehteh | about if a bluetooth headphone makes sense | 18:37 |
| Va6 | I have pc suite | 18:38 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: no. | 18:38 |
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| chem|st | Va6: then use it... | 18:38 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: probably the phone amp | 18:38 |
| Va6 | I am not certan I know how to export callendar | 18:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | cehteh: but it could be a wash at low volume | 18:38 |
| chem|st | find out? | 18:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | I was surprised to find that playing at full volume into 4 ohm speakers for 2 albums at 1/5th battery diddn't affect the battery meter. | 18:39 |
| Va6 | By making a security copy? | 18:39 |
| cehteh | yeah maybe this is no issue at all | 18:39 |
| |R | niekt0: rebooted and all seems fine, 47MB free :) | 18:39 |
| chem|st | Va6: maybe I dont know what the copy looks like | 18:40 |
| |R | niekt0: so, screw cleaning up ;) | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: negligable. both should take no more than 15 to 20% of system standby consumption you inevitably have during music playback | 18:40 |
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| chem|st | but if you are able to upload a security copy to your n900 afterwards then it was the way... | 18:40 |
| cehteh | yeah prolly | 18:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: BT has better controls for mediaplayer | 18:41 |
| Va6 | Security copier doesn't recognize N900 | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wired hs doesn't obey the hold button | 18:41 |
| chem|st | Va6: then the answer is 'no'... | 18:42 |
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| cehteh | i know | 18:42 |
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| hrw | Va6: 6680 is S40 phone? you can try Gammu to make usable ICal backup | 18:42 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer-8: in the long term i consider a sennheiser pxc310 bt | 18:43 |
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| Va6 | What is Gammu? | 18:43 |
| cehteh | but waiting until my current headphone breaks and/or the price drops | 18:43 |
| Va6 | And yes if I am not mistaking 6680 is S40 | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: you make me remember there were complaints about micro-dropouts on BT A2DP | 18:44 |
| inz | Va6, according to wikipedia it's S60 | 18:44 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer-8: headphone, not headset | 18:44 |
| Va6 | Sorry | 18:44 |
| chem|st | Va6: have a google account? | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: s/micro/ultrashort/ | 18:45 |
| Va6 | Gmail? | 18:45 |
| cehteh | ah | 18:45 |
| chem|st | any | 18:45 |
| Va6 | You are thinking about going trough the google callendar? | 18:46 |
| chem|st | sync with google calendar export ical file put it on n900 import it | 18:46 |
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| chem|st | if you phone doesnt do ical... | 18:46 |
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| wazd | konttori_nokia: I have something more for you :) | 18:54 |
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| wazd | konttori: http://i075.radikal.ru/1001/17/8f97802278c0.png | 18:55 |
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| phr | hahahaa | 18:57 |
| phr | "Hi, | 18:58 |
| phr | I recently bought Nokia N98. But i see some russian characters written on the keys. Is this original Nokia made? It says Made in Korea. But when i try to find that model in www.nokia.com, it gives me no results of that kind. " | 18:58 |
| thresh | :) | 18:58 |
| phr | yow that was from 2007 | 18:59 |
| phr | did they ever release an n98? | 18:59 |
| thresh | nokla did | 18:59 |
| phr | lol | 18:59 |
| wazd | http://mobilenet.cz/aktuality/img/a647/n98.jpg | 19:00 |
| Myrtti | X-D | 19:01 |
| cehteh | not even bad specs .. comared to the chinese n900 | 19:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | Hmm. | 19:02 |
| phr | nice ;) | 19:02 |
| phr | what kind of cpu do those symbian phones have? | 19:02 |
| Arkenoi | symbian s70? | 19:02 |
| Arkenoi | wow | 19:02 |
| Arkenoi | must be something from parallel universe | 19:03 |
| SpeedEvil | I accidentally filled up / - and camera seems to drop pictures on the floor. | 19:03 |
| cehteh | http://www.papayaone.com/sensor-cellphone-p-3211.html | 19:03 |
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| niekt0 | flas-flash-flash | 19:03 |
| phr | hee | 19:04 |
| wazd | cehteh: maybe I have a problem with my FF, but I can't see the phone there, just a girl :) | 19:05 |
| Corsac | Messaging | 19:05 |
| Corsac | 19:05 | |
| Corsac | SMS, MMS | 19:05 |
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| Arkenoi | http://www.cellaz.com/news/3134/new-lanye-n70-mini-projector-phone-from-china/ | 19:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | Can anyone with 1.1 test the following. dd if=/dev/urandom of=/klfejf | 19:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Take a couple of pics. | 19:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Remove /klfejf | 19:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | (take pics and close camera app) | 19:09 |
| cehteh | eh .. that makes your root explode | 19:09 |
| SpeedEvil | pics are then dropped on the floor - and not saved | 19:09 |
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| papo | whoa | 19:09 |
| papo | it works! | 19:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure. | 19:09 |
| papo | still awesome | 19:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | However - shouldn't there be notification to the user - or is stuff expected to explode in unexpected ways if / fills. | 19:09 |
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| pupnik | hooray for "filter by folder" in Photos app | 19:11 |
| hrw | bug #6933 | 19:13 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6933 Alarm times are shown wrong | 19:13 |
| hrw | die, nokia devs, die | 19:13 |
| lcuk | not all of us i hope :( | 19:14 |
| Arkenoi | event descriptions are finally properly synced with google | 19:15 |
| pupnik | can you make a suggested layout in gimp, hrw? | 19:16 |
| phr | http://blog.dpreview.com/editorial/2009/07/new-nokia-heralds-camerphone-convergence.html nice article about n86 camera | 19:16 |
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| hrw | pupnik: ? | 19:17 |
| hrw | lcuk: you are nokia dev now? | 19:18 |
| pupnik | i dont see your problem | 19:18 |
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| hrw | pupnik: event has alarm time set to 1:45 before event - calendar shows 3:00 instead of 1:45 | 19:19 |
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| pupnik | ah thanks | 19:19 |
| frals | lcuk is keeper of the bacon | 19:19 |
| lcuk | hrw, yes | 19:20 |
| hrw | lcuk: congratulations then - really | 19:21 |
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| papo | what does "always on" mean for the MfE sync setting? That it keeps syncing all the time? | 19:21 |
| konttori | wazd: cool | 19:22 |
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| konttori | papo: it keeps connection alive | 19:22 |
| hrw | konttori: can I ask question about release cycle? | 19:23 |
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| konttori | sure | 19:23 |
| papo | konttori: Something like IMAP IDLE? | 19:23 |
| konttori | papo: afaik | 19:23 |
| konttori | but I'm not activesync developer | 19:23 |
| papo | konttori: Ok nice, thank you. Let's check how much it drains the battery | 19:23 |
| hrw | konttori: what makes nokia Maemo team to decide 'this build will be base of next update'? | 19:23 |
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| hrw | konttori: as I would like to know does reporting bugs has any sense because I can start reporting bugs today/tomorrow just to get information that this may be included in PR 1.3 which will be in ~8 months from now (for example). | 19:25 |
| Bluewind | do I need python2.5-minimal when python2.5 is installed? | 19:25 |
| hrw | Bluewind: python2.5 depends on python2.5-minimal iirc | 19:25 |
| Bluewind | ah k | 19:25 |
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| Jooseppi | hello. should i run the uppdate via nokia software uppdater ? will i loose all my files on my tablet ? | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | on your rootfs yes, update can be done on device | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | which is better | 19:28 |
| Bluewind | ok only 1mb free left on / but update finished | 19:28 |
| Bluewind | should I free some more or try rebooting? | 19:29 |
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| dymaxion | uprade to 51-1 failed :-( rebooted said installing 0%.. don't switch off device in ugly console font..... then just stalled and rebooted only to show 44-1 still installed and no error message ... sigh.... | 19:31 |
| Jooseppi | When i run the uppdate in applications it tells me to run it via my computer, NSU... | 19:31 |
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| dymaxion | Jooseppi, I had that prompt, but once I freed up around 58Mb space it allowed me to proceed with the install OTA | 19:31 |
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| evo | there's a thing I don't understand about multimedia widget; I click on play and music starts (no player window are open), but if I want to change artist I have to click on his name and this will open a player window ... I mean, can I do everything without having a window open (even in the background)? | 19:35 |
| |R | upgrading the foreca installer even though it was already installed doubled the icon in the More folder... | 19:36 |
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| Bluewind | dymaxion: using apt-get dist-upgrade worked fine here | 19:39 |
| wazd | konttori: I was right bout Ovi skin location :) | 19:40 |
| melmoth | this page mention a PR1.0.1 that could have been missed http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting | 19:41 |
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| melmoth | howto know if i missed it or not ? -my product version is 1.2009.42-11) | 19:41 |
| Corsac | evo: no | 19:41 |
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| Bluewind | 42 is 1.0.0 and 44 ist 1.0.1 | 19:42 |
| evo | Corsac: ok, but when I changed the artist I can close the window without blocking the reproducing? | 19:42 |
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| melmoth | Bluewind: crap. How could i have missed it ? i were updating regularly for a month. | 19:42 |
| phr | fooo | 19:42 |
| phr | sorry | 19:42 |
| Corsac | evo: reproducing? | 19:43 |
| Bluewind | melmoth: hm it came 4 or 5 days ago I think | 19:43 |
| Bluewind | time window wasn't that big | 19:43 |
| melmoth | pfffft | 19:43 |
| zitune | i'm trying to find a calendar using webdav ? do you know one ? | 19:43 |
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| melmoth | ok, so i have to reflash now. | 19:44 |
| zaheerm | anyone got an issue with liblzo2-2 from extras? | 19:44 |
| evo | Corsac: sorry, bad English, I meant that I can listen to music thru the widget, without the media player being open, but once I had to open it to change artist I can't go back to initial state, ie. widget only with no media player windows open | 19:44 |
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| * melmoth looks for the flash page again... | 19:46 | |
| melmoth | i though i would never had to look for this again..except in case of catastrophy | 19:46 |
| melmoth | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware | 19:47 |
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| dymaxion | Bluewind, I retried the update it after the failed first attempt... seemed to work ok this time.. weird eh! seems like updates are still a little flakey... | 19:49 |
| Bluewind | well / is dan small | 19:50 |
| Hukka | dymaxion: Indeed | 19:50 |
| Hukka | I got the opportunity to upgrade during the day, but didn't have enough battery. Now it doesn't show any updates, since it can't refresh the lists :/ | 19:50 |
| Hukka | Doesn't even remember what it saw before | 19:50 |
| melmoth | if i m in france i guess i should use the Global release ? | 19:51 |
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| red | Hukka: tried via apt-get? | 19:52 |
| * dymaxion is also annoyed, the backup restore, said there was a conflict, do you want to rename the file... but kindly didn't tell me what the filename was that conflicted !! grrr | 19:52 | |
| inz | Hmm, can't seem to get the portrait browser working | 19:52 |
| X-Fade | inz: close keyboard | 19:53 |
| inz | X-Fade, tried many times already | 19:53 |
| X-Fade | inz: ctrl-shift-o ? | 19:53 |
| inz | X-Fade, yeah | 19:53 |
| X-Fade | inz: That is a toggle, so switch on/off. | 19:53 |
| inz | I understood that, and I've tried press-slide-press-slide just to be sure | 19:54 |
| inz | but still no go | 19:54 |
| |R | uhm, is progress bar loading in microB gone? | 19:54 |
| X-Fade | inz: And are you sure you have 51-1? :) | 19:54 |
| X-Fade | |R: Only first time when opening a bookmark. | 19:54 |
| inz | X-Fade, either I do, or I dl'd 90 MB for nothing ;) | 19:54 |
| |R | X-Fade: haha ok :) | 19:55 |
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| ml-N900 | mmm, fresh firmware | 19:56 |
| Hukka | red: Not yet, just came home | 19:56 |
| pupnik | keep your thumbtips dirt-free guys | 19:57 |
| Arkenoi | will removing unneeded locale support (grep dpkg for unwanted languages and get rid of it) break os upgrade metapackage? | 19:59 |
| inz | pupnik, at least sand free ;) | 19:59 |
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| loppear | ugh. won't allow OTA upgrade, appears because not enough rootfs space (no apt conflicts per http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting). have 36M, appears I may need >90M (although some are saying 45M). | 20:00 |
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| loppear | should I bother scraping for it, or reflash? | 20:00 |
| Arkenoi | seems that simply removing all languages except couple you need should free 20Mb or so on root fs | 20:00 |
| pupnik | unlikely arkenoi. btw how fo you grep dpkg for it? i used to dpkg-reconfigure | 20:01 |
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| konttori | pr1.2 work will continue at least a month | 20:01 |
| konttori | hrw|gone: ^ | 20:01 |
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| inz | loppear, I had ~40 ree and was able to upgrade | 20:01 |
| |R | konttori: arf, no SIP fix for a month :P | 20:01 |
| konttori | so, you should file bugs now | 20:01 |
| melmoth | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware states "N900: Remove USB, hold the u key" .What _exactly_ is the u key ? | 20:02 |
| melmoth | is it, the letter u ? | 20:02 |
| melmoth | the upward arrow ? | 20:02 |
| melmoth | one funny switch on the side ? | 20:02 |
| pupnik | trying to figure out my last two browser reboots system reboots | 20:02 |
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| pupnik | u | 20:02 |
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| melmoth | thanks pupnik | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | OMG *100# wrong number. WTF! how hard can it be to fix that issue? | 20:04 |
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| Nitial | the default media player uses gstreamer as a backend, right? | 20:05 |
| Nitial | just wondering, because I can write gst-launch oneliner to play rtsp stream, but the media player doesn't play it | 20:06 |
| Arkenoi | ~ $ dpkg -l|egrep "cs_CS|da_DK|de_DE|es_ES|es_MX|fi_FI|fr_CA|fr_FR|it_IT|nl_NL|no_NO|pl_PL|pt_PT|sv_SE" | wc -l | 20:07 |
| Arkenoi | 741 | 20:07 |
| Arkenoi | i'd like to just remove all of those but i am afraid it will break something | 20:07 |
| * fnordianslip had an excercise in how to screw up an N900 in novel and exciting ways today, and came out of it with a working N900 but unsure of its actual upgrade state. I feel a reflash coming on :) | 20:07 | |
| fnordianslip | ran out of rootfs space 4 times during the upgrade | 20:07 |
| loppear | hmm. 49M rootfs and it's still asking me to use NSU rather than OTA. | 20:08 |
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| wazd | ok, HAM icons are themeable :P | 20:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ..but a giant leap for maenkind | 20:09 |
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| pupnik | loppear: mysterious. i have seen two reports of it working with 41.x MB and two which dont | 20:11 |
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| * DocScrutinizer51 wishes they'd finally fix dialer resp modem driver to accept the very mandatory CUSD like *#61#, #31#<number> and *100# | 20:12 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | rather than making HAM icons themable | 20:13 |
| koala_man | this thing with the watchdog always rebooting the device, that's a hardware problem, right? | 20:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | huh? | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I had exactly ONE reboot in >6 weeks now. That was when closing angry-birds | 20:14 |
| koala_man | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6334 I think I'm having that one | 20:15 |
| povbot | Bug 6334: random HW watchdog reboots (/proc/bootreason contains "32wd_to") when returning from off_mode | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | one *unsolicited* that is | 20:15 |
| koala_man | I had 6 the first day | 20:15 |
| konttori | DocScrutinizer51: please file a bug about those. | 20:16 |
| konttori | I'll take care of checking that will those work in pr1.2 | 20:16 |
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| pupnik | i have two 32wd_to reboots today since 1.1 | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | angry birdies? | 20:16 |
| konttori | my cellmo team has exactly one bug for 1.2, so they have plenty of time to look into those (external bugs). | 20:16 |
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| konttori | DocScrutinizer51: dialer | 20:17 |
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| Arkenoi | yep, metapackage depends on all that shit :-( | 20:17 |
| Arkenoi | dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of as-config-applet-l10n-cscz: | 20:17 |
| Arkenoi | mp-fremantle-generic-pr depends on as-config-applet-l10n-cscz (= 6.0+r7389+0m5) | 20:17 |
| Arkenoi | and so on | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | konttori: there IS a ticket for long time | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | konttori: still I wonder how Nokia pushed N900 thru certs in this state | 20:18 |
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| konttori | oh, nice. I'll check it out. | 20:18 |
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| konttori | koala_man: about the reboots. pr1.1 should have fixed most of the Watchdog reboots | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | konttori: I'd have assumed at least the 2 digit netop codes like *61# are mandatory for all gsm devices | 20:19 |
| koala_man | konttori: what's pr1.1? | 20:19 |
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| w00t | the newest software update, released today | 20:20 |
| koala_man | ah, nice | 20:20 |
| koala_man | not by the battery draining hack I hope | 20:20 |
| konttori | DocScrutinizer51: well, obviously not | 20:20 |
| pupnik | DocScrutinizer51: baffling bug | 20:21 |
| siriusnova | is it just me or is the N900 email client kind of bad | 20:21 |
| siriusnova | esp with Gmail | 20:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | pupnik: baffling? | 20:21 |
| Corsac | hmhm, something is desperately trying to access network while the screen is down | 20:21 |
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| pupnik | most folks i know in germany use services using *# | 20:21 |
| Corsac | don't know what, but every time I let it sleep a bit, when waking it up there's a connection popup displayed | 20:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | konttori: so I get it your team has no vacancies right now? :-) | 20:22 |
| konttori | DocScrutinizer51: If I am not mistaken, those codes start to work in pr1.2 | 20:22 |
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| konttori | DocScrutinizer51: well, harmattan development has some vacancies | 20:22 |
| plr_ | I don't get all this *# hassle, I have never heard anyone using them :) | 20:22 |
| konttori | fremantle team is completely soldered for the maintenance period (until harmattan is out) | 20:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | emphasis low level and hw/EE? | 20:23 |
| siriusnova | is there a way for my N900 to download full messages in IMAP? | 20:23 |
| siriusnova | using the email client | 20:23 |
| konttori | sounds like you might indeed want to contact certain guys | 20:23 |
| konttori | send me email urho.konttori@nokia.com and I'll forward you to suitable person. | 20:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | konttori: great :) | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: i thought USSD was entirely possible through pnatd according to some | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | so it wouldn't be in that layer | 20:25 |
| Corsac | gmail is bad anyway | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: I tried it but somehow results were sub par | 20:25 |
| konttori | some USSD only afaik | 20:25 |
| konttori | full support in pr1.2 afaik | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: anyway, you ready for the ubifs stuff yet? | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | konttori: exactly | 20:26 |
| pupnik | the sdl performance boost makes for much joy in this brain :) | 20:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ubifs. how could I be ready for that? | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: dunno, not sure if you're on your device/not at home, so :) | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: aaah. flashable image | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | kinda not at home. ping you later | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | k | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | (moving) | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | (moving flat even) | 20:27 |
| * Stskeeps continues hacking at matchbox1 | 20:28 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | now lemme cpy konttori 's mailadr before it scrolls out of irc :-D | 20:28 |
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| Stskeeps | turns out matchbox-window-manager-1 theme was still so well updated that this is possible: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer0.17-matchbox1.png | 20:29 |
| fnordianslip | hmm. just restoring a backup after a reflash with new release, and the device is saying "Device contains a file of the same name. Rename the file from the backup to prevent loss of data?" Wish it would tell me what the file is called :( | 20:30 |
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| fnordianslip | 3 times it said that during the restore with no hint as to what the sodding file was | 20:32 |
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| fnordianslip | today's experience ranks 3rd in my greatest battles with apt and still left me with a device that would boot and function, even with the new 3 SIM fix (woohoo) but left my N900 in a state I had no real confidence in, so I've reflashed it for the first time since i got it. | 20:37 |
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| luke-jr | 3 SIM? like you import the SIM cards into a file and use 3 concurrently? | 20:38 |
| valdyn | luke-jr: 3 like t-mobile | 20:39 |
| valdyn | luke-jr: a name | 20:39 |
| fnordianslip | nope. "three" the cellular network operator | 20:39 |
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| luke-jr | o | 20:39 |
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| fnordianslip | finally my phone works as a phone | 20:39 |
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| fnordianslip | just been using a data only vodafone sim so far | 20:40 |
| Myrtti | one of the nicest ones in UK about their prepaid data plans | 20:40 |
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| * Myrtti has one of their SIMs in UK | 20:40 | |
| fnordianslip | which, vf or 3? | 20:40 |
| Myrtti | 3 | 20:40 |
| SpeedEvil | t-mobiles PAYG + booster seems cheapest for me. | 20:41 |
| Myrtti | O2 is one of the carriers I'll rather chew my arm of than use | 20:41 |
| fnordianslip | i'm out of contract with 3, so planning on shopping around for a deal, as i have a nice unlocaked n900 to bring to the table | 20:41 |
| SpeedEvil | 20 quid gets you 6 months internet at 1G/mo | 20:41 |
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| Myrtti | SpeedEvil: nice | 20:41 |
| SpeedEvil | and PAYG for voice/text | 20:41 |
| toggles_w | SpeedEvil: don't you eat up your 1G pretty quick? | 20:42 |
| SpeedEvil | toggles_w: yes - if I was using it 24*7 | 20:42 |
| milos_ | are video calls gona work between n900 and pc through jabber in PR1.2? I know they will work between n900's | 20:42 |
| fnordianslip | indeed. left o2 for their bizarrely inaccurate gprs data billing. i swear they were charging me for packets, dropping them and charging me again for the retransmitted ones, which they mostly dropped as well | 20:42 |
| Myrtti | then again, for me that 20 quid might be thrown to the wind, since I usually am in UK for maximum 45 days and might have two months or more in between | 20:42 |
| fnordianslip | and the costs never matched the tariffs. they gave me a refund every month, but never got the bills right | 20:43 |
| Myrtti | fnordianslip: I just find it distasteful I can't view anything of shop.o2.co.uk from Finland. | 20:43 |
| SpeedEvil | toggles_w: But even if you're mobile for 3h/day - that's 10M/hour | 20:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | which is not completely unreasonable | 20:43 |
| Hukka | Urgh, I give up. Can't seem to get enough space | 20:43 |
| Hukka | Just have to flash. OTA, right... | 20:43 |
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| Myrtti | it's like they're showing the finger to everyone who's travelling or planning getting their services, while being outside of UK | 20:43 |
| X-Fade | Hukka: Try to reboot. | 20:43 |
| Hukka | X-Fade: Did | 20:43 |
| X-Fade | Hukka: Ok. | 20:43 |
| Hukka | X-Fade: That gave me 700k extra... | 20:43 |
| X-Fade | Hukka: Using the AM, right? | 20:44 |
| Hukka | Yeah | 20:44 |
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| Hukka | Does it need less space with bare apt? | 20:44 |
| X-Fade | No, more | 20:44 |
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| Hukka | There's not even enough installed apps left to go over 40 megs of free space, is package size according to HAM is correct | 20:45 |
| melmoth | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware how long does one is supposed to wait with the u key pressed ? | 20:45 |
| melmoth | nothing happened after a minute | 20:45 |
| X-Fade | Hukka: Any Qt apps installed? | 20:45 |
| fnordianslip | i ran out of rootfs space 3 times with apt (i lost count) but i had 51MB free when i started | 20:45 |
| ml-N900 | melmoth: just long enough for theb Nokia logo to appear and the USB logo to stay visible | 20:45 |
| ShadowJK_ | the package size according to HAM is not correct | 20:45 |
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| Myrtti | I could keep on ranting about the bloody O2 for ages. | 20:46 |
| Hukka | Oh, wow | 20:46 |
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| melmoth | well it did not | 20:46 |
| Hukka | As a last attempt, I ran apt-get clean | 20:46 |
| ml-N900 | then plug in the cable and start whatever is flashing your device | 20:46 |
| Hukka | Got 15 megs extra, just like that | 20:46 |
| ShadowJK_ | If two packages depend on python, python will only get uninstalled when you uninstalled the second package. Before that, both will show that uninstalling either will free some tiny amount of space | 20:46 |
| melmoth | ok, i replug, thigs happened. but there was no logo | 20:46 |
| Hukka | I thought HAM would keep old debs away... | 20:46 |
| johnsq | Hi. | 20:46 |
| ml-N900 | melmoth: are you holding the button down when you turn the power on? | 20:46 |
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| melmoth | i did not turn the power on yet. | 20:47 |
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| melmoth | the doc does nto mention to turn the device on yet | 20:47 |
| melmoth | grmm. well, now it reboots | 20:47 |
| AndrewFBlack | X-Fade, ping | 20:47 |
| X-Fade | AndrewFBlack: pong | 20:47 |
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| AndrewFBlack | X-Fade, I uploaded something to devel last night and it still hasnt showed up in repo but it passes build any idea? | 20:48 |
| melmoth | hmm, looks liek the update worked..but no logo when i did it. | 20:49 |
| melmoth | anyway | 20:49 |
| X-Fade | AndrewFBlack: yes, that is because we cache the index. Because the old hardware would otherwise not survive the SSU storm. | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | X-Fade: sorry. forget about my cam rant. turns out it needs a little more light than N810 cam. If you are willing to give that amount of lux needed it's almost 'ok' now | 20:50 |
| AndrewFBlack | so it wont show until after upgrade? | 20:50 |
| X-Fade | Will be fixed tomorrow. | 20:50 |
| Arkenoi | is pymaemo-optify still needed with 51? | 20:50 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer51: Yeah, it is not great but it is quite a lot better than in earlier versions ;) | 20:50 |
| AndrewFBlack | ok several people can´t update firmware because they downloaded my broken theme from devel | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 20:50 |
| X-Fade | AndrewFBlack: We are moving servers etc atm. Big switch will happen tomorrow morning. | 20:51 |
| fnordianslip | AndrewFBlack: the maemo.org one? | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | X-Fade: hehe thanks for the warning words | 20:52 |
| wazd | AndrewFBlack: Is there any place where I can check out screenshots of maemo.org theme? :) | 20:52 |
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| ml-N900 | yay, MfE is active | 20:53 |
| fnordianslip | i like the m.o theme. most of the ones from ovi have dysfunctional font colours | 20:53 |
| wazd | haha | 20:53 |
| wazd | even nokia's themes has font color bug :D | 20:53 |
| AndrewFBlack | fnordianslip, yep | 20:54 |
| AndrewFBlack | wazd, no screenshots yet since its unreleased | 20:54 |
| wazd | ah, ok | 20:54 |
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| pupnik | i love t.m.o. dark color theme with orange. love it | 20:55 |
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| Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: workflow is OK though | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 20:55 |
| fnordianslip | with the badlands theme wallpaper | 20:55 |
| AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps, not sure I hope it works this time | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:56 |
| AndrewFBlack | was trying to downlaod the deb version from maemo packags but page not loading for me | 20:56 |
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| ColdFyre | argh, after the 51-1 update, wifi does not work properly, it does not assign the route/dns, but it does connect to the AP and gets an IP address | 20:56 |
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| melmoth | are the repository down ? | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | probably getting beaten | 20:57 |
| * melmoth sigh | 20:57 | |
| fnordianslip | ColdFyre R U sure you haven't got another dhcp server on the network | 20:57 |
| melmoth | feels like the first n800 update. | 20:57 |
| ColdFyre | fnordianslip: i am VERY sure | 20:58 |
| jkimball4 | you could set the dhcp server you're using to be authoratative just to be sure. :) | 20:58 |
| fnordianslip | ColdFyre: just checking :) it can cause confusion | 20:58 |
| jkimball4 | though if you have a packet sniffer, you can check if there are two responses being returned | 20:59 |
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| fnordianslip | my lodger had dhcp running on his windows box and it had me baffled for a bit | 20:59 |
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| ColdFyre | it happens on two networks 5 miles away | 21:02 |
| ColdFyre | and ONLY happed after the update | 21:02 |
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| fnordianslip | did you get the ip address you were expecting? | 21:03 |
| pekuja | so what's the deal with there not being enough memory to install the update? | 21:03 |
| pekuja | I'm guessing that's a common problem | 21:04 |
| ColdFyre | i got the IP, yes | 21:04 |
| fnordianslip | i spent most of the afternoon massaging apt-get around a full rootfs (sorry for repeating myself just responding) | 21:04 |
| ColdFyre | i also spent forever clearing space for it | 21:05 |
| fnordianslip | ColdFyre: and it was was in the subnet you expected? | 21:05 |
| ColdFyre | correct IP,netmask, yes | 21:05 |
| fnordianslip | odd | 21:05 |
| pekuja | does all software get installed in the tiny rootfs? | 21:06 |
| pekuja | while /home is huge | 21:06 |
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| fnordianslip | stuff from extras should go into /home/opt | 21:06 |
| pekuja | ah | 21:07 |
| fnordianslip | tuff from extras-testing might go into /home/opt | 21:07 |
| fnordianslip | stuff | 21:07 |
| fnordianslip | and tuff from extras-devel may kill kittens | 21:07 |
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| fnordianslip | stuff (dmaned mac book pro keybd) | 21:07 |
| fnordianslip | damned. argh | 21:07 |
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| siriusnova | ColdFyre: i have the exact same problem with wifi | 21:10 |
| siriusnova | i have to turn off wifi and turn it on again to fix it | 21:10 |
| chem|st | AndrewFBlack: do they know how to fix? | 21:10 |
| pekuja | fnordianslip: sounds like I'm getting rid of extras-devel | 21:10 |
| siriusnova | but yeah for some reason Wifi loses the ip address | 21:10 |
| siriusnova | if the N900 is not used for osme time | 21:10 |
| siriusnova | with this new fw | 21:11 |
| siriusnova | :| | 21:11 |
| siriusnova | so we stamp out a lot of bugs but gain one major one | 21:11 |
| siriusnova | lol | 21:11 |
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| AndrewFBlack | chem|st, my new package should fix it but repo has been frozen until tomorrow morning. Some people say if you download version from testing in deb form you can manually install over 1.1-3 | 21:12 |
| * fnordianslip wonders if auto-reinstalling with HAM after a restore will get all packages or just the apps from the user category ? | 21:13 | |
| MaemohammadAG | 5mAh left | 21:13 |
| SouBE | oh crap. operator just killed gprs internet by sending a malformat setup message. now I have only WAP connection :/ | 21:13 |
| fnordianslip | great. no bash. my .profile hangs ash | 21:14 |
| SouBE | so sad that user is unable to create new gprs profiles in N900 | 21:14 |
| MaemohammadAG | SouBE, use fApn | 21:15 |
| X-Fade | SouBE: Sure you can. | 21:15 |
| AndrewFBlack | chem|st, are you having hte bug with maemo-org theme or just asking? | 21:15 |
| chem|st | AndrewFBlack: yeah it will be stuck after downloading from apt-get dist-upgrade, fixing with apt-get install (as root) | 21:15 |
| chem|st | AndrewFBlack: had yes | 21:16 |
| chem|st | or having... | 21:16 |
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| chem|st | I just do in the sdk atm | 21:16 |
| AndrewFBlack | try installing this deb and see if it works http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/pool/fremantle/free/m/maemo-org/maemo-org_1.0-3_all.deb | 21:16 |
| pekuja | how do I get a list of software installed from extras-devel? | 21:17 |
| VRe | SouBE: happened to me once too, using gprs I received wap setting and not knowing hit the yes | 21:17 |
| cvandonderen | Has anyone tried the Ovi Store after updating to 51? | 21:17 |
| * wazd is finihing Marina widgets styling meanwhile :) | 21:17 | |
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| cvandonderen | for me it stays at the 'Preparing for installation' screen | 21:17 |
| * anunakin Compiling sdlmame for N8x0! | 21:18 | |
| anidel | cvandonderen, takes time... | 21:18 |
| pupnik | new drnoksnes with pr1.1 is *much* smoother! | 21:18 |
| AndrewFBlack | btw I want to say according to one person on t.m.o 50% of all n900 users use maemo-org theme. According to him 50% of n900 users can´t update there phones because they install my theme from extras-devel | 21:18 |
| anidel | cvandonderen, sometimes it stays on the "Welcome screen" (after completing the Preparing for... step) for many seconds | 21:18 |
| anidel | cvandonderen, and THEN starts installing the package | 21:18 |
| cvandonderen | anidel: okay, thanks, do you know why? does it check some security keys or something? | 21:19 |
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| anidel | cvandonderen, I am not sure... should file a bug probably | 21:19 |
| SpeedEvil | AndrewFBlack: 98.4% of people on tmo are asshats. | 21:19 |
| VRe | SouBE: you can remove the connection under /var/lib/gconf/system/osso/connectivity/IAP/ | 21:19 |
| wazd | AndrewFBlack: 50% of n900 users use your theme - and no screenshots? :D | 21:20 |
| fnordianslip | AndrewFBlack: lol. so you caused my epic apt-get battle this afternoon then :) | 21:20 |
| anidel | AndrewFBlack, let's verify it :) how many people use that theme HERE? I don't | 21:21 |
| anidel | :p | 21:21 |
| fnordianslip | i did | 21:21 |
| SouBE | VRe: ok. I'll try fAPN too | 21:21 |
| anidel | "did" doesn't count | 21:21 |
| AndrewFBlack | fnordianslip, what you mean did not going ot use it anyore? | 21:21 |
| fnordianslip | did until i tried to update | 21:21 |
| fnordianslip | then i went mad with apt and ended up with a franken900 that sorta worked | 21:22 |
| AndrewFBlack | I kinda hope some people on t.m.o learned their lesson on downloading extra-devel stuff | 21:22 |
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| fnordianslip | i learnt a huge lesson about upgrading with apt-get and the ramifications of no space :) | 21:23 |
| AndrewFBlack | fnordianslip, all you had to do was download http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/pool/fremantle/free/m/maemo-org/maemo-org_1.0-3_all.deb and install it would have fixed it | 21:23 |
| fnordianslip | i had problems way worse than that one :) | 21:23 |
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| fnordianslip | it all happened when i decided to remove libqt4.5-core (or whatever its called) and all its deps. it removed some unimportant stuff and then went on to upgrade a bazillion packages without even asking | 21:24 |
| fnordianslip | then ran out of space | 21:25 |
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| Stskeeps | what was that command line thing that allowed you to do all sorts of weird crap to windows based on name/class etc? | 21:26 |
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| chem|st | does fakeroot work on the device? | 21:28 |
| fnordianslip | you may want the rootsh package | 21:29 |
| mzz | Stskeeps: devilspie? | 21:29 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm, yeah | 21:29 |
| chem|st | fnordianslip: I try to write a script for those with the maemo-org problem | 21:29 |
| fnordianslip | chem|st: which problem? the theme? | 21:30 |
| chem|st | I got no device so I cant test syntax apart of sdk (but what works there should work on the device?!) | 21:30 |
| chem|st | fnordianslip: yes the theme | 21:30 |
| fnordianslip | that stops HAM from upgrading? | 21:30 |
| chem|st | yes | 21:31 |
| fnordianslip | ah | 21:31 |
| chem|st | it stops not only ham | 21:31 |
| pekuja | is there a way to get a list of programs that are installed from extras-devel? | 21:31 |
| chem|st | apt will get stuck with 600+ packages not finished install | 21:31 |
| fnordianslip | really? sounds familiar. | 21:32 |
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| chem|st | fnordianslip: I know A: a work araound without installing maemo-org and now with the package included | 21:33 |
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| villager | grbl, PR1.1 didn't want to install OTA before I got 60MB free on rootfs | 21:35 |
| loppear | (gave up on OTA at 52M free on rootfs, flashed with PR1.1, redownloaded 275M apps, 1.1 seems happy.) | 21:35 |
| fnordianslip | i managed to get as far as zero packages needing upgrading, with a device that actually rebooted with the new kernel, but identified as the old version. but i had no faith in the integrity of the installation and opted for a reflash | 21:35 |
| chem|st | yeah I am at the final state in the SDK... | 21:36 |
| chem|st | anybody to test the script? | 21:36 |
| fnordianslip | i would but i've reflashed it now | 21:37 |
| melmoth | relfash and backup over... Took less than an hour, felt like a day. | 21:37 |
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| melmoth | i do really hope next time the sofwtare update will work. | 21:38 |
| fnordianslip | way quicker than battling apt | 21:38 |
| pekuja | hmm, that's a good idea | 21:38 |
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| spaghetty | hi | 21:39 |
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| spaghetty | someone try to update n900 from ubuntu | 21:40 |
| spaghetty | ? | 21:40 |
| fnordianslip | i did it on a mac | 21:40 |
| melmoth | just did it from a fedora12 | 21:40 |
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| melmoth | should work the same as on a mac or any linux | 21:41 |
| melmoth | s/mac/ubuntu/ | 21:41 |
| infobot | melmoth meant: should work the same as on a ubuntu or any linux | 21:41 |
| spaghetty | melmoth: i just want to know if you find some trobules | 21:41 |
| spaghetty | :) | 21:41 |
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| melmoth | not really. except that the doc states a logo should appear when you press the letter u while reflashing | 21:41 |
| melmoth | and i did not see the logo | 21:41 |
| melmoth | so i freaked out | 21:41 |
| melmoth | but it work anyway | 21:41 |
| melmoth | and the backup restauratin took quite a while, and even though it resinstall all software, it forgot to re add the extras repository | 21:42 |
| fnordianslip | saw the logo, but there was no backlight on | 21:42 |
| spaghetty | wich one you install i see combined_002_arm combined__003_arm and combined_mr0_arm | 21:42 |
| melmoth | funny thing is, it added back the extras devel and extras testing (as well as disabled them as they were before) | 21:42 |
| pekuja | fnordianslip: did you happen to check how much free space is on rootfs on a clean install? | 21:43 |
| melmoth | i picked RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 21:43 |
| melmoth | (i m from france so i guess this was the good one) | 21:43 |
| fnordianslip | nope | 21:43 |
| jkimball4 | what's the password for sudo | 21:44 |
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| jkimball4 | need to try to reinstall a messed up package | 21:44 |
| fnordianslip | although its at 65MB free now, and i've reinstalled a bunch of stuff | 21:44 |
| pekuja | ok, thanks | 21:45 |
| pekuja | gives me a ballpark at least | 21:45 |
| pekuja | wow, I'm freeing up a lot of space by deleting small stuff | 21:45 |
| pekuja | weird | 21:45 |
| caotic | Am I wrong but was today a new firware was released ? last week there was a firmware update didnt it ? | 21:45 |
| pekuja | either that, or it's getting rid of some caches or something | 21:45 |
| jkimball4 | today is a major release | 21:46 |
| jkimball4 | earlier was minor to prepare for this major | 21:46 |
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| caotic | jkimball4: I see, is there any precautions to take before upgrading to this firmware ? (other than the backup) ? | 21:46 |
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| jkimball4 | i can only say that the upgrade went swimmingly for me. backup is a good thing for sure. | 21:47 |
| fnordianslip | some. removing maemo.org theme might be a good plan | 21:47 |
| jkimball4 | oh right | 21:47 |
| jkimball4 | that broke for me :) | 21:47 |
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| caotic | jkimball4: ok, thanks, last firmware update didnt went so smooth for me | 21:47 |
| jkimball4 | now i have to figure out how to purge that maemo.org theme | 21:47 |
| jkimball4 | fnordianslip: ideas? | 21:47 |
| caotic | fnordianslip: does it come with the device by defaul ? (I dont rememeber installing any theme) | 21:48 |
| jkimball4 | caotic: no | 21:48 |
| jkimball4 | it's an extra theme | 21:48 |
| fnordianslip | remove it with app man. only if you installed it yourself | 21:48 |
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| caotic | great, seem like I am all set | 21:48 |
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| spaghetty | mmm I'm quite ready :) | 21:49 |
| koala_man | is there a key combo for pressing escape? can I map one? | 21:51 |
| fnordianslip | in xterm or in general? | 21:52 |
| koala_man | in general | 21:52 |
| fnordianslip | what about the toolbar button for Esc? or did i put that there myself :) | 21:52 |
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| fnordianslip | that's in xterm. in general, just hit the blurry bit of the screen | 21:53 |
| nomis | chem|st: that script to fix the postrm-script of maemo-org would basically consist of the command "tr -d \\r" applied to the prerm-script. | 21:53 |
| nomis | s/postrm/prerm/ | 21:53 |
| infobot | nomis meant: chem|st: that script to fix the prerm-script of maemo-org would basically consist of the command "tr -d \\r" applied to the prerm-script. | 21:53 |
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| villager | wonder if the update fixed the accelerometer occasionally losing calibration | 21:54 |
| pupnik | javi..jav... meh | 21:54 |
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| ar | Hi | 21:54 |
| red | theres an app that changes the camera key to task switch screen | 21:54 |
| alterego | Another day, another day without an N900. I hate my life :~( | 21:54 |
| red | (while lid is closed) | 21:54 |
| ar | Is there a free app that acts as a open office? | 21:55 |
| koala_man | how do I skip a cut scene in scummvm or exit a game in openarena? is there an alternative to Esc that's usually used? | 21:55 |
| ar | I really only need a reader. | 21:55 |
| red | koala_man: two choices, an app that I just said about | 21:55 |
| red | or a key combo of (sec, checking) | 21:55 |
| red | ctrl-backspace | 21:55 |
| alterego | In the production devices, is the front facing camera any better? | 21:56 |
| koala_man | red: ctrl-backspace shows the windows side by side | 21:56 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: It's comically bad. | 21:56 |
| nomis | alterego: no | 21:56 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: in any but brightest light | 21:56 |
| alterego | Ah, so it's still shit then ::) | 21:57 |
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| alterego | Anyone ran it through any gst filters to try and clean it up? | 21:57 |
| ar | Something that can work with RTF files. | 21:57 |
| koala_man | how do I map keys? there's no xmodmap | 21:57 |
| alterego | koala_man: there's some information around, I saw a blog entrty about doing it. | 21:57 |
| chem|st | nomis: no pre rm | 21:58 |
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| chem|st | nomis: I have it working with full install and upgrade of maemo-org | 21:58 |
| nomis | chem|st: oh? I had to fix the one from the package I installed from the feeds before I was unable to uninstall the package. | 21:58 |
| frals | uh, why do people expect me to know every single operators MMS settings because i released fMMS? :( | 21:58 |
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| X-Fade | Any deveropers around willing to test the new server for dput-ing your sources? | 21:58 |
| X-Fade | This server should not drop your ssh connections ;) | 21:59 |
| luke-jr | frals: hey, what are the fMMS settings for me? | 21:59 |
| alterego | frals: are you telling me you don't?!?! :) | 21:59 |
| alterego | frals: maybe setup a wiki page where we can all add them? | 22:00 |
| chem|st | nomis: no uninstall... fixing | 22:00 |
| frals | alterego: there is actually one, and ive linked it in my announcement of the application.. but.. yeah >_< | 22:00 |
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| alterego | Oh, sorry :/ You know what users are like though | 22:00 |
| frals | yeah, now i know :D | 22:01 |
| alterego | Hah | 22:01 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Within an hour I should have new Catorise to upload | 22:01 |
| villager | users... users are everywhere | 22:01 |
| nomis | X-Fade: sorry, did not yet port any of my stuff to the n900... | 22:02 |
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| spaghetty | done :) | 22:02 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: Use drop.maemo.org instead of garage. All settings the same. | 22:02 |
| lardman | evening | 22:02 |
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| lardman | anyone else noticed that hsp support seems to be broken for at least a2dp headsets? | 22:02 |
| Corsac | undef error - Insecure dependency in exec while running with -T switch at /usr/share/perl5/Mail/Mailer/sendmail.pm line 22. | 22:02 |
| * Corsac cries | 22:02 | |
| lardman | or rather I can't hear people, but they can hear me | 22:02 |
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| X-Fade | Corsac: Known issue, bug is created but mail failed. | 22:03 |
| Corsac | woot, my BR is not lost | 22:03 |
| Corsac | ok | 22:03 |
| X-Fade | Corsac: has to do with utf8 chars it seems, will look at that later. | 22:03 |
| pupnik | ./usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51 | 22:03 |
| RST38h | Anyone tried (and failed) using ICQ with 51-1? | 22:03 |
| pupnik | wow... | 22:03 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: Can you try to dput some of your non-free apps to drop.maemo.org? So I can test if the incoming-nonfree queue works? | 22:04 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: a moment | 22:04 |
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| RST38h | Will have to reboot to Linux | 22:05 |
| Corsac | could someone try to reproduce #8002 (needs 15 wait :/) | 22:05 |
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| alterego | frals: http://www.filesaveas.com/gprs.html | 22:05 |
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| pupnik | // broken UI spec. | 22:07 |
| pupnik | key <RTRN> { [ KP_Enter ] }; | 22:07 |
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| * pupnik chuckles | 22:07 | |
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| leon-_ | wow, 1.1 finally out and quake works again.. wohoo :D | 22:09 |
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| chem|st | is here someone with the broken maemo-org theme problem not able to install the upgrades? | 22:09 |
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| el_zilcho | haha, i love how its telling me up update i have to use NSU on a PC | 22:10 |
| el_zilcho | so i need a pc to perform linux updates | 22:10 |
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| el_zilcho | a windows pc at that | 22:10 |
| ShadowJK_ | you can use linux | 22:10 |
| fnordianslip | or mac os x | 22:11 |
| el_zilcho | whoa? | 22:11 |
| Aranel | el_zilcho: use flasher app or OTA instead? | 22:11 |
| el_zilcho | there's a linux nsu now? | 22:11 |
| el_zilcho | oh ok | 22:11 |
| fnordianslip | nope. flasher3.5 is a shell tool | 22:11 |
| el_zilcho | well its OTA that i was trying to do | 22:11 |
| RST38h | XFade: Uploaded vgba to drop | 22:11 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Ok, I see it. | 22:12 |
| Aranel | el_zilcho: doesnt It work? If so, free up at least 40 megs on rootfs, and remove libqt4-phonon | 22:12 |
| ShadowJK_ | You need 48M or so free space on /, and then there are some packages that conflict with the upgrade.. .such as *qt*phonon* | 22:12 |
| villager | it won't do OTA before you have like 60MB free on / and a conflictless upgrade path | 22:12 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: No delays now? :) | 22:12 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: You need >63 | 22:12 |
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| koala_man | awesome, now shift-backspace is escape! foss firmware <3 | 22:12 |
| villager | 48MB was not enough | 22:12 |
| el_zilcho | oh alright | 22:12 |
| RST38h | XFade: I see none, but then garage has not acted up on me for months (with dput that is) | 22:12 |
| el_zilcho | i can do that | 22:12 |
| el_zilcho | maybe | 22:12 |
| el_zilcho | :) | 22:12 |
| el_zilcho | ty for the advice | 22:12 |
| ShadowJK_ | RST38h, I thought some people did it with less... and that doing it with apt-get requires huge amounts? | 22:12 |
| Aranel | fnordianslip: so what? :) shell tool != bad tool. | 22:13 |
| fnordianslip | dude, don't think i was complaining :) | 22:13 |
| Aranel | It was OK for me with 49meg free space. | 22:13 |
| fnordianslip | i'm just trying to get bash installed again on the device | 22:13 |
| RST38h | XFade: the rest of the path (devel->testing->extras) has been experiencing some problems lately though | 22:14 |
| Aranel | you can get it from SDK repository i guess | 22:14 |
| villager | I had 58MB free and it wouldn't do it, then I finally got to 62 or something and it would do it | 22:14 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Yeah, I know but that should be better starting tomorrow. | 22:14 |
| evo | sorry for asking again guys, but I need an advice about multimedia widget; how can you continue to listen to music with the widget without having the player app open? | 22:15 |
| fnordianslip | i'm getting dns timeouts on downloads.maemo.org while apt-get updating | 22:15 |
| X-Fade | fnordianslip: Hmm that is weird. | 22:15 |
| villager | then again, removing libqt4-phonon and friends was part of what got to me to over 60MB free | 22:16 |
| fnordianslip | not entirely unusual to have problems though | 22:16 |
| el_zilcho | yeah, i guess i'm just gonna let apt do its thing here and see what happens | 22:17 |
| el_zilcho | that was actually a good call :) | 22:17 |
| fnordianslip | sorry. correction. downloads.maemo.nokia.com giving the dns timeouts | 22:17 |
| * RST38h got accidentally pissed by 51-1 :( | 22:17 | |
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| el_zilcho | my apt archive cache i symlinked over to /home/opt anyways | 22:17 |
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| el_zilcho | since it was causing me some previous issues | 22:18 |
| X-Fade | fnordianslip: 193.184.164.144 :) | 22:18 |
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| tybollt | RST38h: how so? | 22:19 |
| pupnik | el_zilcho: do you have any guesses why archive is not in opt by default? | 22:20 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: If I upload to drop.maemo.org, is it /dev/nulled, btw? | 22:21 |
| RST38h | tybollt: icq died | 22:21 |
| tybollt | ugh | 22:21 |
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| tybollt | RST38h: which ... client were you using? | 22:21 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: For you yes. You will receive mail from the builder though. | 22:21 |
| RST38h | tybollt: telepathy-haze | 22:21 |
| Arkenoi | icq died even before the update | 22:21 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: But we still sync from live. | 22:21 |
| Arkenoi | i guess it is yet another protocol change | 22:21 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: Nope | 22:22 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: So it will need to be uploaded to garage too. | 22:22 |
| tybollt | hmm I seem to remember having something like that but that does msn? | 22:22 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Cool, ta | 22:22 |
| wazd | well, lloks like Marina template is finished | 22:22 |
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| pH5 | RST38h: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26017 ? | 22:22 |
| povbot | Bug 26017: was not found. | 22:22 |
| * RST38h moos at wazd evilly | 22:22 | |
| Arkenoi | rst38h: it stopped working two days ago, _before_ i got pr1.0.1 even | 22:22 |
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| wazd | RST38h: reheya) | 22:22 |
| RST38h | hmmmm | 22:22 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Well Pidgin works fine | 22:22 |
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| RST38h | but telepathy haze is not | 22:23 |
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| RST38h | both are supposed to be based on the same code | 22:23 |
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| Target | hi everyone | 22:25 |
| ifreq | hi | 22:26 |
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| bittin| | hi | 22:26 |
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| Target | I suspect the search scope for the calendarwidget was shortened to 2 weeks after the last update, could anyone confirm this? | 22:27 |
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| Milo- | hmm | 22:28 |
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| Milo- | I have 57M left in my rootfs, and the new update is 90M.. is that an issue? | 22:28 |
| ifreq | no | 22:28 |
| Milo- | good | 22:29 |
| ifreq | update says if it doesnt have enuff space | 22:29 |
| Milo- | okay | 22:29 |
| ifreq | recommend do to backup at same time while updating | 22:29 |
| Milo- | before it starts to download? | 22:29 |
| Milo- | or after? | 22:29 |
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| Target | currently I only have 2 appointments in the next 2 weeks but before the update I could also see the events that are further away, maybe it has something to do w/ the performance enhancements? | 22:29 |
| ifreq | nope when you start it | 22:29 |
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| ifreq | it offers it same time | 22:29 |
| Milo- | that free space thingy | 22:29 |
| ifreq | Target: configure your calendar options | 22:29 |
| ifreq | calendar/mail | 22:30 |
| Milo- | I mean, I don't want to end up downloading 60MB with my gprs connection and then realising I don't have enough space | 22:30 |
| ifreq | Milo-: cant say with 100% sure is it enuff or not. | 22:30 |
| chem|st | Milo-: wait for wifi? | 22:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Milo-: or battery charge | 22:30 |
| till- | i think you will need more temp space | 22:30 |
| Milo- | battery is full :P | 22:31 |
| villager | nah, the HAM will download it to a different partition | 22:31 |
| till- | well than it should work | 22:31 |
| Target | ifreq: i checked calendar settings but couldnt find it, are you sure? | 22:31 |
| villager | the rootfs just needs room for the unpacking after the download | 22:31 |
| fnordianslip | was surprised how dirty the inside of my n900 was when i swapped sims today | 22:31 |
| ifreq | Target: if you only see two weeks far? | 22:32 |
| Target | yeah on desktop widget, not calendar app. srry if I was unclear | 22:32 |
| w00t | does anyone use the facebook applet and occasionally notice complete crap in the newsfeed from applications they don't use and have never heard of? | 22:32 |
| ifreq | Target: im using the widget too..and my calendar is setup to sync 2weeks now in future. | 22:33 |
| ifreq | to be honest havent even checked anything else than widget cal ) | 22:33 |
| ifreq | :) | 22:33 |
| * w00t is getting quite tired of it. | 22:33 | |
| Target | you think the sync freq has anything to do w/ display of the widget? its a local calendar | 22:33 |
| * konttori just re-enabled font support to theme maker and added new support for theme based transitions | 22:34 | |
| konttori | (to theme maker) | 22:34 |
| konttori | will test a bit and possibly release today | 22:34 |
| ifreq | Target: ah then nvm.. dunno | 22:34 |
| Target | ifreq: i was used to just using the widget too so this kind of sucks, though usually I have more appointments so won't be a dealbreaker anyway | 22:34 |
| ifreq | Target: im using the synced cal with widget | 22:34 |
| Target | ifreq: thx anyway, appreciated | 22:34 |
| Target | ifreq: yeah I'm gonna use that soon, too :) | 22:35 |
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| ifreq | is there a way to reset all virtual screens? | 22:36 |
| ifreq | i mean clear the screens without closing every widget separately | 22:36 |
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| pwnguin | any way to clear out locale-archive? | 22:38 |
| pwnguin | its pretty big and is probably blocking my OTA update to 1.1 =( | 22:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | lardman: was it you trying to compile gnuplot-nox? | 22:39 |
| Target | penguin: check maemo website for a couple of fixes for installisues | 22:40 |
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| Target | cant post link now, on n900 and in a hurry | 22:41 |
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| pwnguin | python's already optified | 22:41 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: no, I was trying to use it as a dep for Octave | 22:42 |
| lardman | had issues getting it to install | 22:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | lardman: I just noticed it in my /usr/bin - after installing gnuplot | 22:42 |
| SpeedEvil | non optified | 22:42 |
| lardman | yeah, no idea what it actually is | 22:43 |
| lardman | well I uploaded it a while back for Fremantle, so partly my fault I guess there ;) | 22:43 |
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| lardman | complains now about something /opt/ related | 22:43 |
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| andres | Some congratulations to the people involved in PR1.1... Since today the actual use-cases of my n900 got a lot bigger (working mail...) | 22:50 |
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| tybollt | andres: how is the mail working now that it wasnt before? | 22:51 |
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| jX | when filing a bug at bugs.maemo.org, would an application manager bug go under Desktop Platform, System Software, or another category? | 22:51 |
| ifreq | tybollt: exchange 2003 support | 22:51 |
| tybollt | aaah | 22:51 |
| tybollt | yeah | 22:51 |
| andres | tybollt: it takes less than 14h to open a mail folder via imap. | 22:52 |
| andre__ | jX: Settings&Maintenance | 22:52 |
| tybollt | still, the fact you can't block it from reading !inbox folders is making the MFE thingy quite useless :-| | 22:52 |
| jX | andre__: I don't see that as a product choice | 22:52 |
| pwnguin | tybollt: there's a config app | 22:52 |
| tybollt | pwnguin: so I heard, can't find it :-| | 22:52 |
| pwnguin | mfe folders | 22:52 |
| andre__ | jX: maybe in Platform instead... | 22:53 |
| Target | yeah congrats indeed, the phone greatly improved!! | 22:53 |
| tybollt | pwnguin: url? google isn't helping :-| | 22:54 |
| * andres has 500+ imap folders as well - but I can live with that if I can open them at least... | 22:54 | |
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| jX | my 900 is mid update right now, can someone paste me the version string for the 44-1 release? | 22:55 |
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| * andres would be more interested in mfimapfolders app... | 22:55 | |
| andres | tybollt: should be in the repositories | 22:56 |
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| pupnik | http://www.diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/little-noname-uav | 22:56 |
| pwnguin | http://maemo.org/packages/view/mfefolders/ | 22:56 |
| fnordianslip | it is really nice now actually using my n900 as a phone. i'd kind of gotten used to using it as a tablet | 22:56 |
| pwnguin | tybollt: its in testing now | 22:56 |
| pwnguin | user/office | 22:57 |
| tybollt | cool | 22:57 |
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| tybollt | thanks | 22:57 |
| xorAxAx | is the marina theme good? where can i get it? | 22:59 |
| alterego | I still can't believe there's no themes or backgrounds on the maemo nokia site. | 23:00 |
| ifreq | there was | 23:00 |
| ifreq | until someone got pissed because of babe themes :( | 23:01 |
| Arkenoi | did anyone got abiword working? | 23:01 |
| alterego | ifreq: what? | 23:01 |
| ifreq | alterego: need repeating? | 23:01 |
| konttori | andres: I'm glad to hear that. I'll let the mail developers know that | 23:02 |
| alterego | Well, why were there babe themes? | 23:02 |
| tybollt | \o/ | 23:02 |
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| tybollt | <3 mfefolders :) | 23:02 |
| alterego | Or is it a community run section? I.E. open? | 23:02 |
| ifreq | alterego: why not? someone put em there on 1st day we got into store :P | 23:02 |
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| alterego | Oh | 23:04 |
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| konttori | wazd: new theme maker uploaded - start messing with fonts and transitions! | 23:06 |
| konttori | oh, you still don't have a device. crap. I always forget - as themable transitions really need to be tuned on the device to find the right balance. | 23:07 |
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| ifreq | Light a candle in your device. It's just like burning a real candle! | 23:07 |
| ifreq | impressive apps.. | 23:07 |
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| ifreq | too bad it isnt just like the real thing | 23:07 |
| b-man17 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=472035#post472035 these kind of threads really bug me | 23:08 |
| b-man17 | i don't get why people think re-flashing the device voids the warranty - if that was so, nokia would have never provided a flashing tool. :P | 23:08 |
| alterego | Just read about Vodafone locking and branding their N900's now .. | 23:08 |
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| alterego | Interesting | 23:08 |
| jX | alterego: link> | 23:08 |
| jX | ? | 23:08 |
| jX | also, konttori, link? | 23:08 |
| alterego | http://revdkathy.livejournal.com/59943.html | 23:08 |
| fiferboy | konttori: Does the latest theme maker solve the highlighting bug? | 23:09 |
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| konttori | fiferboy: what highlighting bug | 23:11 |
| fiferboy | konttori: Some themes built do not properly highlight activated widgets (ex when pushing a button or selecting an item view) | 23:12 |
| konttori | jX: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=36 | 23:12 |
| konttori | fiferboy: oh, that, I think that's still there, but not sure | 23:13 |
| fiferboy | konttori: The fix I found is to change the capitalization in the index.theme file for the GtkTheme entry | 23:13 |
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| fiferboy | konttori: I have no idea why that works, but it has fixed it in every case I have tried | 23:13 |
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| konttori | oh, cool. Lemme see. | 23:14 |
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| konttori | so, make it lowercase? | 23:14 |
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| konttori | fiferboy: ^ | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | fiferboy: could you verify http://gitorious.org/hildon-theme-example-stskeeps/hildon-theme-example-stskeeps/trees/master would have it fixed if you followed instructions in try_it_out.sh? | 23:15 |
| fiferboy | konttori: It depends on the theme, but usually to captilize the first letter | 23:15 |
| konttori | fiferboy: humm... | 23:15 |
| fiferboy | Stskeeps: Line 11 looks like what I am talking about | 23:17 |
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| fiferboy | Stskeeps: But in joppu's hitech theme, I had to lowercase the first letter in the GtkEntry to get it to work :| | 23:17 |
| konttori | fiferboy: so, lowercase fixes it? | 23:18 |
| fiferboy | konttori: Only in that one case. It is very strange, and I don't even know why that solution works | 23:18 |
| fiferboy | Stskeeps: I think joppu built hitech with that tool, but it needed correction the other way | 23:18 |
| konttori | ok. i'll try tomorrow | 23:18 |
| Klowner | hrrm, can't play some videos after the maemo update :[ | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yo, fiferboy. | 23:20 |
| fiferboy | Hey GeneralAntilles, still cold in Florida? | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, on the cusp of warming up. | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Apparently we smashed a bunch of records, though. | 23:21 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Try to get it warmed up by the end of February | 23:22 |
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| jX | anyone know of a port of Nano for maemo 5? | 23:22 |
| jX | I used to have it on my 810 | 23:22 |
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| el_zilcho | yay :) using apt left me in a spot where i should run dpkg --configure -a but i can't because my disk usage is 100% :) so i also can't uninstall anything :) | 23:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, Disney? | 23:22 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Yeah | 23:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, well, the good news is that Orlando is always hotter than the rest of the state. ;) | 23:23 |
| Klowner | jX: shows up in apt-cache search for me.. it might be in devel or extras | 23:23 |
| el_zilcho | haha, did a backup, going to reboot and see if i can squeak out enough space to get it going again | 23:23 |
| ml-N900 | el_zilcho: lots of unoptified packages? | 23:23 |
| * jX knows he has at least one of those in his repo list | 23:23 | |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Excellent! My parents were down in December and didn't complain about the cold | 23:23 |
| el_zilcho | likely | 23:23 |
| el_zilcho | :0 | 23:24 |
| el_zilcho | its all good | 23:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, in December I was wondering when winter was coming. | 23:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then it did! :D | 23:24 |
| el_zilcho | i know how to flash if it comes to it | 23:24 |
| ml-N900 | amazing people hitting that problem | 23:24 |
| zerojay | AIM not working for anyone else? | 23:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, RST38h. | 23:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, though it works fine here. . . . | 23:25 |
| zerojay | I just can't get a connection at all. | 23:26 |
| jX | Klowner: I have extras and extras-devel, don't see it | 23:26 |
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| RST38h | ICQ not working for me | 23:26 |
| RST38h | No idea on AIM | 23:26 |
| RST38h | does telepathy-haze have a log? | 23:27 |
| zerojay | I know it output to the syslogd in the past. | 23:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, last time I was trying to troubleshoot AIM connection issues I wasn't able to find one. | 23:27 |
| ml-N900 | if ICQ and AIM both screw up, it's probably AOL... | 23:27 |
| RST38h | don't think so | 23:27 |
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| RST38h | haze gives up too fast and quits | 23:27 |
| RST38h | i.e. plugin not present in memory | 23:27 |
| RST38h | and pidgin works fine | 23:28 |
| Klowner | jX: are you lookin in the app browser or apt-cache from the command line? | 23:28 |
| pupnik | is there a microb shortcut to go to top of page withour scrolling? | 23:28 |
| jX | I was doing a search in the app manager. | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, bind Home/End to fn+arrows? | 23:28 |
| pupnik | i was looking at xkb and got confused. want to do that along with pgup pgdown | 23:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, http://blogs.igalia.com/berto/ | 23:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, comments have the xkb magic for Home/End/Paging | 23:30 |
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| pupnik | ty ty ty ty ty | 23:30 |
| Klowner | jX: it won't show up there | 23:30 |
| jX | Klowner: Ahh, what's teh commadn then, if you don't mind. | 23:30 |
| Klowner | jX: get a root shell and apt-get install nano | 23:30 |
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| jX | oh | 23:30 |
| jX | simple | 23:30 |
| libben_ | so why is all the n900 lovers in here =) Shouldent you guys be in n900 channel =) | 23:31 |
| libben_ | anyway, is the n900 that good as i Hope it to be? | 23:31 |
| Stskeeps | cos it's more fun to hang out with the maemo crowd | 23:31 |
| jX | libben_: Better | 23:31 |
| Klowner | libben_: it's dead in there :) | 23:31 |
| libben_ | i just sold my HTC hero | 23:31 |
| jX | prepare for Awesome Town, population: you | 23:31 |
| mtnbkr | Anyone know what I need to delete when I get "not enough memory in target location" during a Maemo upgrade? Or how much space I actually need? I killed off a bunch of .ogg file sand photos etc still "not enough room" | 23:32 |
| Klowner | it seems like either today's maemo 5 update improved the N900 battery life significantly, or broke the battery meter :) | 23:32 |
| libben_ | i really like the hero, but still felt a bit tied up in the handling | 23:32 |
| Target | the N900 is awesome imho, love it | 23:32 |
| jX | mtnbkr: is your unit plugged into a PC at the time you're updating? | 23:32 |
| jX | if so, disconenct | 23:32 |
| libben_ | maemo seems to be the way to go, and Ive alwaysed loved debian | 23:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Klowner, there were several power consumption related fixes and improvements. | 23:32 |
| mtnbkr | Klowner: i'll take either at this point :) | 23:32 |
| jX | GeneralAntilles: Is there a list anywhere of changes? | 23:32 |
| jX | a "changelog" if you will? | 23:33 |
| Klowner | mtnbkr: http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space | 23:33 |
| mtnbkr | jX: currently. but was getting this when it was not... lemme try now since I have deleted some stuff thx | 23:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1 | 23:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~PR1.1 is http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1 | 23:33 |
| Klowner | jX: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1 | 23:33 |
| infobot | okay, GeneralAntilles | 23:33 |
| libben_ | so any tip on where to get one? Here in sweden no one has it in store or have it stocked | 23:33 |
| * jX wonders if http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1 is the url he needs | 23:33 | |
| GeneralAntilles | mtnbkr, it's going to be package removal more than file deletion. | 23:33 |
| Klowner | lol | 23:33 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly about the council finally awakening | 23:33 | |
| jX | oh hey guys, I found it, it's at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1 ! | 23:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | mtnbkr, especially if you're using non-optified stuff from -testing or -devel. | 23:33 |
| mtnbkr | GeneralAntilles: yeah, that's what Iwas afraid of. thanks.. But I will NOT remove Angry Birds lol | 23:34 |
| jX | libben_: No idea, I've been reshipping several for friends in Euroland this past week | 23:34 |
| libben_ | where are you shipping from? | 23:34 |
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| jX | Virginia USA | 23:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | mtnbkr, anything from Ovi should be optified. | 23:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | mtnbkr, what does df -h tell you? | 23:34 |
| libben_ | so you guys have it stocked everywhere? | 23:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | You need about 45MB free. | 23:34 |
| jX | Newport News, near Norfolk if you know where that is. | 23:34 |
| libben_ | yeah | 23:35 |
| jX | libben_: Noooo, there are lots of places in the US Alike Dell.com taht have it in stock and I've been buying them for friends. | 23:35 |
| wazd | who's garage admin? :) | 23:35 |
| X-Fade | wazd: me | 23:35 |
| jX | dell ships them out in a day or two, then I just reship it to friends marked as a gift | 23:35 |
| libben_ | Im myself thinking of taking the boat over to finland just to buy one ther =) | 23:35 |
| libben_ | there | 23:35 |
| jX | hahaahah | 23:35 |
| wazd | X-Fade: can you please accept me to troll in Extras? :) | 23:35 |
| mtnbkr | df -h for rootfs shows about 39.5M free | 23:35 |
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| bobbyd | hi | 23:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, bribes, man, or you've got no hope. | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: might be a bad time to accept, server move tomorrow :P | 23:36 |
| nomis | is python installed on the n900 by default? | 23:36 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: I've suffered enough :D | 23:36 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: meh | 23:36 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: that stuff worked :) | 23:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd's gonna bring down maemo.org by distracting Niels at exactly the wrong time. | 23:37 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: the building of tar.gz and dsc? | 23:37 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: and using try_it_out.sh? | 23:38 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: yep | 23:38 |
| bobbyd | my n900 is showing an update for maemo5 (2.2009.51-1.203.2) when I try to update it it just tells me to use the nokia software update application, and gives me the option to create a backup | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: cool | 23:38 |
| X-Fade | wazd: done | 23:38 |
| bobbyd | when I use the software updater, it says there are no updates | 23:38 |
| wazd | X-Fade: ta | 23:38 |
| bobbyd | but lists the previous update | 23:38 |
| bobbyd | am I doing something wrong? | 23:38 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: see? the world is still alive :) | 23:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, just wait 'til tomorrow. | 23:39 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: Niels is like Dr. Manhattan. The only difference that he has pants on actually :D | 23:39 |
| wazd | I hope :D | 23:39 |
| X-Fade | lol, you'll never know ;) | 23:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, it's just gonna be Laughing Man on the front page. | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | ~flashing | 23:40 |
| infobot | it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, let's hope he has pants on. | 23:40 |
| bobbyd | should I flash my phone to get the update? shouldn't it just work? | 23:41 |
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| nomis | bobbyd: if it doesn't work it means that you probably have installed some experimental packages. | 23:41 |
| libben_ | haha, the phone is like out of stock everywhere in sweden, february is the next batch.. .and some small ones that are allready pre booked in lat january =) | 23:41 |
| bobbyd | ah | 23:41 |
| bobbyd | I most certainly have | 23:41 |
| nomis | bobbyd: the updater is a little bit picky there. | 23:42 |
| bobbyd | so what's my best bet then? backup and flash? | 23:42 |
| X-Fade | Ok, tomorrow will be a bit of a mess on the websites, but it should be a lot better after that than it is now.. | 23:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, afterwards you're dropping into a coma for a couple of days? ;) | 23:42 |
| nomis | bobbyd: in the wiki there is a guide on what you might want to try if you really want a "live" update. | 23:42 |
| wazd | public SSH keys? Wut? :) | 23:43 |
| bobbyd | nomis: is it really a better idea to just reset it though? | 23:43 |
| wazd | I knew it won't me that easy :) | 23:43 |
| nomis | bobbyd: depends on your confidence :) | 23:43 |
| nomis | bobbyd: http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting | 23:43 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: just write blahblah | 23:43 |
| Stskeeps | (according to X-Fade) | 23:43 |
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| bobbyd | nomis: ta :) | 23:43 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Well, I'll keep alive for a few more days, but after that.. It's time for some rest. | 23:43 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: ah, that makes sense :) | 23:44 |
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| jX | "# CellMO power consumption reduced." I assuem cellmo is the cell radio? | 23:45 |
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| Stskeeps | i -think- it means celluar module :P | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | ~help-update is http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting | 23:45 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer-8 | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, that's my impression. | 23:45 |
| jX | which is a fancy term for the transceiver, right? | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | Stskeeps: MOdem? | 23:46 |
| Stskeeps | i think it's like a seperate processor really | 23:46 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer-8: maybe | 23:46 |
| jX | I refuse to call it a modem | 23:46 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: what about .changes file? :) | 23:46 |
| wazd | oh | 23:47 |
| wazd | \stupid me | 23:47 |
| wazd | nm | 23:47 |
| Corsac | hmhmh, would it be possible to have a “scp” sharing service? | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: for OBS .changes doesn't matter at least :) | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | jX: why? in fact it acts like ancient Hayes basically | 23:47 |
| sjgadsby | If Nokia published sales figures for the N900, I'd know how many more times the same exact upgrade questions would be asked on TMO. I'm trying to decide if possession of that knowledge would be better or worse than ignorance. | 23:48 |
| jX | DocScrutinizer-8: ORLY? It accepts AT commands? Regardless, it's not a modulator/demodulator, so it's not a modem. | 23:48 |
| wazd | oh well, it's 0.1 , but whatever | 23:48 |
| X-Fade | Ok, alarm clock set awfully early for the switch. I always hate that part :( | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | jX: yes it does accept AT | 23:48 |
| jX | interesting. | 23:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hey, sjgadsby. | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | at least with a little help from pnatd | 23:49 |
| jkimball4 | one thing i notice is that i can no longer tap an entry in the call log and choose skype. am i missing something? | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | sjgadsby, I'm guessing the number isn't insignificant. | 23:49 |
| wazd | Thank you for uploading hildon-theme-marina. Your files have now been moved to the autobuilder queue | 23:49 |
| Stskeeps | woop | 23:49 |
| Stskeeps | could you mail me the dsc and tar.gz too? | 23:49 |
| wazd | well, looks like I've lost my linux virginity :D | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | well, unix / shell at least | 23:50 |
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| jkimball4 | nix* | 23:51 |
| mtnbkr | *nix ;) | 23:52 |
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| jkimball4 | doh | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i'm hoping to see more development in this area such as people starting to make guides on revision control etc :P | 23:52 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: now you can say "Even wazd was able to do that, it's dead simple" :D | 23:53 |
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| wazd | I stil wonder why they have made MADDE terminal so uber-ugly | 23:54 |
| wazd | to shock me? :) | 23:54 |
| Stskeeps | well, it didn't finish compiling but it wasn't your fault it seems :P | 23:54 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: wut?! | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | the log claims that it failed to grab a file so | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | try to re-upload i guess | 23:55 |
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| Stskeeps | (not your fault nor mine, just repositories are under a -lot- of stress today :P) | 23:55 |
| wiretapped | the call log still sucks | 23:55 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: oh, you mean autobuilder? | 23:56 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 23:56 |
| wiretapped | some entries have no avatar, and thus the contact's other numbers are now inaccessible | 23:56 |
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| wiretapped | skype entires have only an avatar, no call button | 23:56 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: now you get to experience the same issues as us 'grown ups' do too ;) | 23:57 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: it just says FAILED, NOOB! | 23:57 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: now I have to wear sweaters and beard | 23:57 |
| wazd | oh wait :D | 23:57 |
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| mikhas | and stop showering | 23:58 |
| zerojay | For all the talk about improved battery life, I'm still seeing 25% battery life gone in less than an hour. :/ | 23:58 |
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| Klowner | wazd: socks and sandal time! | 23:58 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: so, just upload another package? | 23:58 |
| SpeedEvil | zerojay: I noticed that a couple of days ago. | 23:58 |
| simula_ | i'm charging my n900 every other day :) | 23:58 |
| SpeedEvil | zerojay: then I noticed I'd been playing angrybirds solid | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: re-upload and if that fails, edit debian/changelog to 0.2 version and run the source package generation again | 23:59 |
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| mikhas | repackaging should be a *-i increment | 23:59 |
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