| Stskeeps | wazd, joppu: they reverted SDK to PR1.0 so there might be problems with the theme packages (you're getting hit by the same issues like everyone else) | 00:00 |
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| Stskeeps | err, not SDK, autobuilder | 00:00 |
| Anidel | hi | 00:01 |
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| __ibz | less than 12 hours away...hmmmn | 00:01 |
| ifreq | is it possible to sync contacts directly from n900 to ovi service? | 00:01 |
| RST38h | ===> sleep | 00:01 |
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| woglinde | nite rst | 00:01 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: ah, constant reboot? | 00:02 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: or what issues? | 00:02 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: no, there's a silly issue with building apps and having them work on people's devices out of the box | 00:03 |
| Stskeeps | we'll figure something out and it may not be a pretty solution :P | 00:04 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: i've put it on a post-it and will ask X-Fade if it will be OK to temporarily upload files from PR1.1 to extras-devel until issue is solved. | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | (since those templates are non-critical to software) | 00:06 |
| xorAxAx | ifreq: yes, with syncevolution | 00:07 |
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| MOUD | hello | 00:09 |
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| embedded | ?? | 00:11 |
| * Stskeeps is chewing through maemo-developers mail and is kinda tired of it already | 00:11 | |
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| embedded | no answers :( | 00:11 |
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| Stskeeps | embedded: you did not say anything | 00:12 |
| embedded | really? | 00:12 |
| Stskeeps | really. | 00:12 |
| Stskeeps | [22:54] -!- embedded [n=mail@host47-23-dynamic.46-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #maemo | 00:12 |
| Stskeeps | [23:10] <embedded> ?? | 00:12 |
| Stskeeps | [23:11] <embedded> no answers :( | 00:12 |
| Stskeeps | End of Lastlog | 00:12 |
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| ifreq | does ovi have any blogging ability? | 00:12 |
| embedded | ok, thx..maybe cause I wasn't not yet registered to nickserv | 00:12 |
| embedded | This was the my question: | 00:13 |
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| embedded | Who knows if is possible to capture on-screen videos/gestures with Nokia N900 ? | 00:13 |
| Stskeeps | embedded: there's a screencast thing i think | 00:13 |
| wiretapped | yeah the load applet records screencasts | 00:14 |
| wiretapped | not gestures though | 00:14 |
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| embedded | yeah I don't need to record videos from camera but from the screen (I need to record what I'm seeing on it) | 00:15 |
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| wiretapped | that is what it does | 00:15 |
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| embedded | with the screencast feature of the "load applet" I'm able to get only audio, no video! | 00:17 |
| embedded | :( | 00:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Just dictate what you're doing. | 00:17 |
| SpeedEvil | I've never gotten itt o work either. | 00:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Though I last tried some versions ago | 00:18 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs at Maemo/maemo.org confusion on -developers. | 00:18 | |
| embedded | SpeedEvil: are you talking to me? | 00:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 00:19 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders if it's quote lines from old movies day. | 00:20 | |
| SpeedEvil | That's no moon! | 00:20 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: well, some of it is a bit justified as the maemo.org domain has a lot of luggage still from internal maemo :P | 00:20 |
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| tybollt | There is no spoon. | 00:20 |
| embedded | In practice I'm trying to get a brief video of an installed running application in order to make a review and put its video on the net | 00:21 |
| PaulAnagrama | Hi. Where do I set the connection timeout for wifi on n900? I want to set it to disconnect automatically when the connection idle for a while | 00:21 |
| greenfly | Luca Brace sleeps with the fishes | 00:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, it doesn't help when you start out with the "angry 3-year-old" tone, though. | 00:21 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: of course. | 00:21 |
| MOUD | how can i browse in portrait mode? | 00:21 |
| greenfly | MOUD: ctrl-shift-o, then close keyboard, then rotate n900 | 00:22 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i found out i got my way more often through being humble and to the point | 00:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:22 |
| MOUD | greenfly, tks | 00:22 |
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| Arkenoi | btw seems that browser remembers that rotation is allowed forever, nice ;-) | 00:24 |
| xorAxAx | today's dilbert is also about related misunderstandings, Stskeeps | 00:24 |
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| Stskeeps | xorAxAx: indeed | 00:25 |
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| * Stskeeps thinks the cure for maemo.org is to be so occupied in community work that they don't have time to moan about issues | 00:26 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:26 |
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| embedded | SpeedEvil : have you read my last reply? | 00:27 |
| xorAxAx | Stskeeps: which thread are you talking about btw? | 00:27 |
| Stskeeps | xorAxAx: "How to destroy your community" on maemo-developers | 00:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | embedded: sorry - afk intemittently. Have you tried updating to the latest version of the load applet - if it's not already. | 00:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, an evil part of me still thinks Quim's "poisonous people" comment was the most telling in the thread. ;) | 00:31 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: http://www.oreillynet.com/conferences/blog/2006/07/oscon_how_open_source_projects.html is one of my favourite articles | 00:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, yeah, that's a good one. | 00:33 |
| mikhas | I am interested in becoming poisonous! where to apply?! | 00:34 |
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| fnordianslip | anyone know which smtp server i can use with a 3 sim in the uk, as i can't connect to smtp.mac.com. google not of much help. | 00:34 |
| SpeedEvil | tried the obvious - smtp.three.co.uk frex? | 00:35 |
| fnordianslip | currently in france and need to send mail through n900. yep. tried that, | 00:36 |
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| fnordianslip | and just to be awkward, want an encrypted session | 00:36 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.3g.co.uk/3GForum/showthread.php?t=74647 | 00:36 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 00:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | umm - if you're in france - won't you want a french one? | 00:37 |
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| embedded | SpeedEvil: I have just the latest version of it installed (quite daily I perform an update check) | 00:37 |
| ifreq | whats good blogging platform with n900? | 00:38 |
| SpeedEvil | embedded: sorry - no great ideas - I have not successfully used it. | 00:38 |
| ifreq | err software* | 00:38 |
| fnordianslip | SpeedEvil, good question. read that forum but no joy. can i force a socks proxy through ssh on latest firmware? | 00:38 |
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| mikhas | ifreq, tried maStory? | 00:39 |
| fnordianslip | by that i mean can i get modest to use socks proxy? | 00:39 |
| SpeedEvil | fnordianslip: you can if you install openssh have ssh open a local socks server, which stuff can connect to | 00:39 |
| ifreq | mikhas: nope, thanks ill check it | 00:39 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't know if modest can be setup to use it | 00:39 |
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| xorAxAx | hmm, nokia has an internal irc system, right? | 00:40 |
| * fnordianslip thinks of webmail as a stopgap | 00:40 | |
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| ifreq | mikhas: what blog you recommend? :) | 00:40 |
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| mikhas | heh, none? =p | 00:41 |
| ifreq | ok :P | 00:41 |
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| mikhas | I think that blogger.com is okay-ish | 00:41 |
| ifreq | need something to write down my biking trips +pics | 00:41 |
| ifreq | like daily journal :P | 00:42 |
| mikhas | easy to setup, and facebook/flickr integration | 00:42 |
| mikhas | yeah, you want flickr integration then | 00:42 |
| ifreq | oki ill look into it | 00:42 |
| ifreq | need just simple blog nothing special :P | 00:43 |
| ifreq | mastory seems to be quite nice cli | 00:43 |
| mikhas | well, honestly you are limited to whatever your blog client of choice can sync with | 00:43 |
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| Arkenoi | is there an rss reader which is capable of deduplicating similar google reader entries shared by different people? | 00:44 |
| mikhas | in the worst case, there's always wordpress.com =) | 00:44 |
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| mikhas | now, with so many maemo bloggers, isnt there a "howto to blog w/ {the n900, maemo}" wiki page? | 00:45 |
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| ifreq | i wished there was some blog service on ovi but there was none | 00:46 |
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| mikhas | hm, maybe. now that you said it ... it would seem obvious | 00:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | mikhas, register with a blogging service supported by MaStory. install MaStory. blog. | 00:48 |
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| mikhas | yes yes, of course ... | 00:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The Tips & Tricks section should probably include stuff about mirroring announcements a dozen times and writing tutorials to help users brick their devices. | 00:50 |
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| pupnik | i don't know how many days unique311 and i spent trying to get picodrive working | 01:30 |
| woglinde | picodrive? | 01:30 |
| pupnik | sega genesis emu | 01:30 |
| woglinde | ah | 01:30 |
| pupnik | and i spent days working to fix sound buffer problems on fceu, before RST38h joined the scene | 01:30 |
| tybollt | hmmm reminds me | 01:31 |
| pupnik | viel zeit im sand gesetzt | 01:31 |
| woglinde | lol | 01:31 |
| tybollt | I need to find giana sisters | 01:31 |
| woglinde | and rst fixed it all? | 01:31 |
| pupnik | his nes port works | 01:31 |
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| pupnik | and i had just gotten my first gp2x port working too | 01:31 |
| woglinde | hm nes is not sega | 01:31 |
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| pupnik | fceu was a nes emu that couldn't run at decent speed on n800 | 01:32 |
| woglinde | but its not sega | 01:32 |
| pupnik | i have a sega emu that runs a couple games | 01:32 |
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| pupnik | in fact there aren't many emus i haven't compiled | 01:33 |
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| pupnik | but it was javis who took drpocketsnes and made it work | 01:35 |
| woglinde | pupnik hm | 01:35 |
| pupnik | i think i spent a month on that | 01:35 |
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| pupnik | frodo still sucks, exult still sucks, kobo deluxe still sucks, pentagram still sucks, technoballz still sucks, penguincommand still sucks, pingus still sucks, secret maryo world still sucks | 01:37 |
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| woglinde | use oprofile | 01:38 |
| mikhas | I dont know any of those. now what does that mean? | 01:38 |
| pupnik | all game ports that i can help get people started on | 01:38 |
| pupnik | picodrive | 01:38 |
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| woglinde | mihkas all games | 01:39 |
| pupnik | oh, Nogravity | 01:39 |
| pupnik | could be great | 01:39 |
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| pupnik | nuvie, haxima | 01:41 |
| pupnik | god, 4 months on uqm | 01:42 |
| javispedro | time, always the most scarce resource :( | 01:43 |
| woglinde | yes :( | 01:44 |
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| pupnik | mypaint could be very nice with UI tweaks | 01:47 |
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| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/igannik.jpg | 01:47 |
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| pupnik | the dosbox devs made their fm synth / sound blaster emu faster just for us | 01:49 |
| pupnik | and all of that work is eaten-up by pulseaudio, but with proper driving we could hit the alsa device directly | 01:49 |
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| pupnik | gemrb... | 01:50 |
| woglinde | hm when I optify myself | 01:53 |
| woglinde | what is right /opt/maemo/app | 01:53 |
| woglinde | or /opt/app | 01:53 |
| woglinde | ? | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Was there ever agreement on that? | 01:54 |
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| woglinde | hms | 01:54 |
| woglinde | okay | 01:55 |
| woglinde | I till take /opt/maemo/app | 01:55 |
| woglinde | so its sane with maemo-optify | 01:55 |
| SpeedEvil | look at your /opt | 01:55 |
| javispedro | it's not, as optify would do /opt/maemo (not /app) | 01:55 |
| javispedro | /opt/maemo/usr/bin/app, etc. | 01:55 |
| woglinde | hm right | 01:56 |
| woglinde | okay than /opt/app | 01:56 |
| SpeedEvil | opt/maemo is 55M - opt/* (but maemo) is 111 | 01:56 |
| woglinde | ???? | 01:56 |
| javispedro | ie /opt/boundce | 01:56 |
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| javispedro | *bounce | 01:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | fwiw - opt/app seems to be 'older' apps | 01:57 |
| pupnik | i'll go back to penguincommand... cheers | 01:57 |
| SpeedEvil | with some exceptions | 01:57 |
| javispedro | there was another missile command clone iirc | 01:57 |
| SpeedEvil | don't think it matters much though | 01:57 |
| javispedro | older and more faithful to the original one | 01:58 |
| woglinde | so what now? | 01:58 |
| woglinde | optify isnt smart when you have a lot of pictures | 01:58 |
| woglinde | each link occupy at least one inode | 01:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | One more vote for Catorise. http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/catorise/0.6.0 | 01:59 |
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| javispedro | maemo-optify could gain some "agressive" flag where ie it symlinks entire /share dir | 02:00 |
| woglinde | javis sure, thats what I mean | 02:00 |
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| VDVsx | don't use maemo-optify :D install directly into /opt | 02:01 |
| * VDVsx hides | 02:01 | |
| pronto | wow , installing this maemo sdk is giving me so many issues x.x | 02:02 |
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| mikhas | why hide? *points to libqt4-maemo5* | 02:04 |
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| VDVsx | mikhas, people use to shoot at me, I'm anti-maemo-optify :D | 02:06 |
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| pronto | is there any way to get that sdk going on a non-debain system -.- | 02:06 |
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| VDVsx | pronto, other linux distro ? | 02:07 |
| pronto | yeah | 02:07 |
| * GeneralAntilles fires bottlecaps at VDVsx. | 02:07 | |
| VDVsx | humm, is saw something about fedora, but can remember where | 02:08 |
| javispedro | pronto: "you're on your own installation", or vm. | 02:08 |
| mikhas | pronto, catch aep on #qt-maemo | 02:08 |
| mikhas | or this channel, heh | 02:08 |
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| xorAxAx | are there python bindings for libprofile? | 02:12 |
| xorAxAx | i cannot find any | 02:12 |
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| xorAxAx | there is less, hardaker | 02:25 |
| hardaker | err... under what package name/ | 02:25 |
| hardaker | ? | 02:25 |
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| zaheerm-lp | X-Fade, are the builders stuck? | 02:26 |
| hardaker | E: Package less has no installation candidate | 02:27 |
| xorAxAx | hardaker: well, i have one :-) | 02:28 |
| xorAxAx | hardaker: try the tools repo | 02:28 |
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| hardaker | for maemo5? | 02:29 |
| hardaker | didn't know it existed. | 02:30 |
| hardaker | what's the source.list line for it? | 02:31 |
| hardaker | I can't see it by browsing quickly through the repo dir | 02:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/development/tools/ | 02:31 |
| woglinde | good nite | 02:32 |
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| hardaker | GA: thanks. | 02:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol, TI works to get OMAP2 GL drivers and people still hate on them. | 02:34 |
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| wazd | GeneralAntilles: humans | 02:35 |
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| tybollt | GeneralAntilles: _opensource_? | 02:37 |
| tybollt | of course people hate when the drivers are closed source and the doco is NDA | 02:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | tybollt, same setup as OMAP3. | 02:38 |
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| wiretapped | why must less be hidden in the tools repo? should be in extras. | 02:39 |
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| wiretapped | most of tools is only needed by people doing maemo development; less is needed by anyone who wants to use the local shell for anything | 02:40 |
| wiretapped | mtnbkr: netcat is in tools also | 02:40 |
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| ShadowJK | would be cool to put optified less,netcat,nano,etc in extras | 02:40 |
| tybollt | nano? :-| | 02:41 |
| __ibz | mutt! | 02:41 |
| tybollt | olrite, off to bed | 02:41 |
| SpeedEvil | gcc | 02:41 |
| tybollt | yay gcc | 02:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | wiretapped, probably, but, meh. | 02:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | wiretapped, feel free to go harass the SDK team about it. | 02:41 |
| ShadowJK | well vim and emacs are already in extras iirc | 02:41 |
| mtnbkr | wiretapped: would that repo be http://repository.maemo.org/tools ? | 02:43 |
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| wiretapped | mtnbkr: no, see http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5#Installation | 02:45 |
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| mtnbkr | wiretapped: K thanks... | 02:45 |
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| goriofab | hi guys.. how i know my qt version ? | 02:47 |
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| ljp | qmake --version | 02:50 |
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| mza | what do you think the chances are of seeing blackberry connect for the N900? | 02:53 |
| mikhas | > 0? | 02:53 |
| mza | yea | 02:53 |
| mza | i figured | 02:53 |
| mza | here's to wishing | 02:53 |
| mza | blackberry messenger would be awesome | 02:54 |
| mza | im gonna leave the bb service on with accnt when i get mine for a week | 02:54 |
| mza | see what i can see | 02:54 |
| cehteh | ipv6 .. public ip .. | 02:54 |
| cehteh | *dream* | 02:54 |
| mza | surprised there aren't routers that do that already | 02:55 |
| mza | ipv6 -> ipv4 | 02:55 |
| mza | with nat | 02:55 |
| mza | hmm, yea nevermind still need to tunnel ipv6 | 02:55 |
| cehteh | native v6 i mean .. but the n900 kernel has prolly no v6 and i dont know any carrier who lets you use v6 over 3g | 02:56 |
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| cehteh | well with openvpn that might become possible somehow (if only the kernel supports v6) | 02:57 |
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| mza | no need, if you can do openvpn you can make tunnel devices | 02:57 |
| mza | ipv6 tunneling | 02:57 |
| mza | i ran a tunnel broker for a minute | 02:58 |
| cehteh | yes | 02:58 |
| cehteh | but well i want my phone reachable from the internet over a public v6 ip | 02:58 |
| cehteh | ok i can do that with openvpn and v4 too | 02:59 |
| mza | the kernel doesnt have v6? | 02:59 |
| mza | that's surprising. | 02:59 |
| cehteh | i dont know | 02:59 |
| mza | do you have the device? | 02:59 |
| mza | ifconfig should tell you | 02:59 |
| cehteh | dont have a device currently | 02:59 |
| mza | me either | 02:59 |
| mza | lemme fire up the sdk | 02:59 |
| cehteh | i would be rather surprised if its enabled | 02:59 |
| mza | why? | 02:59 |
| mza | everything has v6 these days | 02:59 |
| mza | yea, cant tell with the sdk | 03:00 |
| mza | someone with an n900 wanna post ifconfig -a somewhere?:) | 03:00 |
| cehteh | you can check the kernel config | 03:00 |
| mza | be a pal | 03:00 |
| mza | buddy | 03:00 |
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| goriofab | how to know my qt version ? | 03:05 |
| aep | qmake -v | 03:05 |
| aep | uh on the n900, no clue | 03:06 |
| goriofab | qmake: not found | 03:06 |
| aep | yeah wont work on the device. | 03:06 |
| aep | you gotta use some apt-foo | 03:07 |
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| goriofab | :(not found too | 03:07 |
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| aep | that was a methaphor. | 03:09 |
| goriofab | i did a maemo update and somy app doesnt work 100%.. i try to use qtirreco now and doesn work.. i research on the web and i saw that i need to update my qt | 03:10 |
| goriofab | sorry aep but i'm new user :) | 03:10 |
| aep | me too. i have no clue how debian works | 03:10 |
| nomis | dpkg -l | grep -i qt | 03:10 |
| mikhas | dpgk -i is not good enough? | 03:10 |
| mikhas | -l, yeah | 03:10 |
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| mza | nobody can show me an ifconfig -a | 03:13 |
| mza | pls | 03:13 |
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| cehteh | xorAxAx: do a ifconfig -a | 03:13 |
| xorAxAx | why? thats private data | 03:15 |
| xorAxAx | mza: why do you need it? | 03:15 |
| mza | i would like to see if there is ipv6 support and i'm just curious what interfaces exist | 03:16 |
| mza | ifconfig -a |sed 's/[0-9]/666/g' | 03:16 |
| mza | i dont wanna see your ip | 03:16 |
| goriofab | mikhas how to type | on n900 ? | 03:16 |
| mza | actually | 03:17 |
| mikhas | fn + ctrl | 03:17 |
| mza | make that ifconfig -a |sed 's/[0-9]/6/g' | 03:17 |
| nomis | mza: seems I have a wlan666 here :) | 03:17 |
| mza | yea | 03:17 |
| mikhas | then it is the top right icon on the virtual keyboard | 03:17 |
| mza | hmm | 03:17 |
| mza | ifconfig -a |sed 's/[1-9]/6/g' | 03:17 |
| mza | better?:) | 03:17 |
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| mikhas | goriofab, ^^^ | 03:18 |
| nomis | mza: interfaces: lo, phonet0, wlan0, wmaster0. | 03:18 |
| mza | is there any ipv6 info? | 03:18 |
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| goriofab | mikhas yes.. | 03:18 |
| nomis | mza: I don't see any. | 03:18 |
| mza | inet6 fe80::21f:5bff:fec7:d6c8%en1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x5 | 03:18 |
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| mza | nomis: i love you | 03:19 |
| mza | a true pal | 03:19 |
| mza | im curious how tcpdump will interact with phonet0:) | 03:19 |
| goriofab | mikhas thks.. but dpkg cmd not found qt packages.. :( | 03:19 |
| mza | wonder if wireshark can record calls off that like it can sip | 03:19 |
| nomis | mza: using the gprs connection I also get a "gprs0". | 03:20 |
| goriofab | algum brasileiro por aqui ? | 03:20 |
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| mza | wasn't GPRS cracked recently? | 03:21 |
| mikhas | goriofab, sorry I cant help you there =/ | 03:21 |
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| nomis | mza: that probably was GSM you heard about. | 03:21 |
| mza | oh that sucks | 03:21 |
| mza | still be neat to look at:) | 03:22 |
| mza | dump gprs into a pcap file | 03:22 |
| mza | that's what gets me excited for the N900 | 03:22 |
| mza | finally a device you can hack on | 03:22 |
| nomis | mza: uh, isn't that just a name? There probably will just be regular IP packets going over gprs. Not sure why you think that'd be very interesting. | 03:23 |
| SpeedEvil | It's just ppp | 03:24 |
| nomis | right. | 03:24 |
| SpeedEvil | IP over PPP | 03:24 |
| SpeedEvil | With an ISDN-like underlayer IIRC | 03:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | you don't get any of the raw info. That stays inside the modem | 03:24 |
| nomis | maybe, but this probably won't be visible on "gprs0". | 03:24 |
| mza | what's the 3g interface? | 03:25 |
| mza | and which interface does voice ride over? | 03:25 |
| xorAxAx | SpeedEvil: gprs isnt ppp | 03:25 |
| SpeedEvil | mza: it goes to the modem as analog | 03:25 |
| SpeedEvil | xorAxAx: It's not? | 03:25 |
| xorAxAx | SpeedEvil: the ppp endpoint is in your device | 03:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | oh - k. | 03:25 |
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| xorAxAx | SpeedEvil: the on the air protocol is multiple layers deep | 03:25 |
| xorAxAx | and unrelated to ppp | 03:25 |
| SpeedEvil | yes, I know | 03:25 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean - it's presented by teh modem as ppp | 03:25 |
| SpeedEvil | as I understand it anyway. | 03:25 |
| VDVsx | goriofab, I'm not Brazilian, but I do speak Portuguese, if you need help :) | 03:25 |
| xorAxAx | SpeedEvil: "If you look at the GPRS related output on an ip.access nanoBTS while your mobile phone makes a HTTP request, the stack is something like HTTP-TCP-IP-PPP-SNDCP-LLC-BSSGP-NS-UDP-IP-Ethernet, while the first HTTP-TCP-IP-PPP is obvious, I would not have expected that many layers on the underlying network." | 03:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah | 03:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | I mean - it's presented to the user as ppp - and they have no visibility of the underlayers | 03:27 |
| goriofab | SpeedEvil: ok obrigado.. estou tentando descobrir a versao do qt no meu n900.. meu qtirreco parou de funcionar após a atualização do maemo | 03:27 |
| xorAxAx | yes | 03:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | Where user in this case is - as I understand it - SoC - the modem presents it as ppp | 03:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | We need an "Expect in Jackassery" label for certain Talk users. | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/Expect/Expert/ | 03:30 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: We need an "Expert in Jackassery" label for certain Talk users. | 03:30 |
| VDVsx | shiii don't say bad things about talk :p | 03:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, clearly a conspiracy from the council to silence me! | 03:31 |
| goriofab | how to know if IR is work on my n900 ? | 03:33 |
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| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, yes, but only in the agenda of the next council. Silence anyone that say bad things about talk or doesn't use talk :D :D :D | 03:35 |
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| goriofab | how to know if IR is work on my n900 ? | 03:37 |
| fredrin | double right click | 03:38 |
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| shinkamui | wow, that was stupid | 03:39 |
| fredrin | :) | 03:39 |
| shinkamui | shinkamui #maemo :Cannot send to channel so cannot change nicks | 03:39 |
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| shinkamui | I wanted to say before that, fredrin that your comment was quite entertaining :) | 03:40 |
| villager | SpeedEvil: pretty sure that's wrong. The modem has no reason to expose gprs as ppp, it would involve extra complexity and overhead, and probably a massive slowdown in throughput, when it could just as well expose a net interface, and as far as I can tell, that's what the N900 does - it doesn't do ppp | 03:41 |
| fredrin | it fun to say to some people, their brains can parse it | 03:41 |
| fredrin | can't | 03:41 |
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| fredrin | i made a antitech friend right click on the micre, lol | 03:42 |
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| Arkenoi | what is "keyboard-shortcuts" package? | 03:43 |
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| villager | SpeedEvil: I think usually ppp is just emulated by phone software that talks to a serial port (real or virtual, like in bluetooth/usb) and pretends to be a Hayes-compatible modem... while the actual gsm chip doesn't do it and shouldn't have to | 03:44 |
| cehteh | its even more complicated than you expect | 03:46 |
| cehteh | there is no 'gsm chip' thats rather a chipset with maybe 2-3 cpus/controler alone | 03:46 |
| blizzow | Is it possible to connect to a wireless access point using wpa-psk & wpa2-psk authentication and tkip+aes encryption with an N900? | 03:47 |
| cehteh | yes | 03:47 |
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| blizzow | cehteh, has that changed with the recent firmware updates? | 03:48 |
| shinkamui | Im seriously considering another reflash | 03:49 |
| shinkamui | battery life is pretty bad | 03:49 |
| shinkamui | 19% at "idle" | 03:49 |
| cehteh | huh no .. i used that when i had a device | 03:49 |
| shinkamui | with random hildon labeled processes spiking | 03:49 |
| shinkamui | on the plus side, I finally beat the first part of Jagged alliance 2. Just took me 10 years | 03:49 |
| villager | blizzow: don't think that has changed... so it's still possible... | 03:50 |
| blizzow | villager: cool thanks. I wasn't able to connect before the firmware update, but now I seem to be able to. Awesome. | 03:51 |
| shinkamui | did the upgrade to the conversations plugins help anyones battery life? | 03:51 |
| shinkamui | Im going to switch back to that since it looks like the battery issue I have isn't actually helped by pidgin after all | 03:51 |
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| * Arkenoi is switching from rss reader app to www.google.com/reader/i , seems like it works better and looks better ;-) | 03:54 | |
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| matthew- | hey guys | 03:55 |
| matthew- | anyone using Blogger on your n900 ? | 03:55 |
| matthew- | and the blogging application ? | 03:55 |
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| matthew- | I would like to know that is the Account Name (as opposed to Username) when intputing the info. | 03:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | matthew-, same thing it means in your email client. | 04:02 |
| shinkamui | I HATE web apps | 04:05 |
| shinkamui | especially on the N900 | 04:05 |
| shinkamui | then you're at the mercy of the slowness | 04:05 |
| shinkamui | matthew-, im using MaStory | 04:06 |
| shinkamui | works pretty well for managing 2 wordpress blogs | 04:06 |
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| shinkamui | image upload isn't the best though | 04:06 |
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| shinkamui | dang, first time I've had the portrait mode bug, I was real excited at first, like damn they added portrait to the SMS app too!?!?, but no, it was the bug. | 04:08 |
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| shinkamui | rebooting | 04:08 |
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| matthew- | GeneralAntilles: as in what? | 04:17 |
| matthew- | it cant log in | 04:17 |
| matthew- | shinkamui: cant get it wotking with blogger | 04:17 |
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| shinkamui | haven't used blogger, I found MaStory to be more than sufficient | 04:20 |
| shinkamui | the image issue is only an issue if you don't specify the dimensions. A lot of smarter blogger apps will do that for you based on the theme and width | 04:20 |
| shinkamui | anyway, seems only to affect wordpress | 04:20 |
| matthew- | :-) | 04:22 |
| matthew- | well i cant get it connect | 04:22 |
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| matthew- | as im dat ;d | 04:22 |
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| matthew- | the account name is admin i think | 04:22 |
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| matthew- | im getting now error getting the blog list | 04:26 |
| matthew- | "error getting the blog list" | 04:26 |
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| matthew- | yeah, not clicking. | 04:33 |
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| shinkamui | damn it | 04:46 |
| shinkamui | I created a new desktop icon | 04:46 |
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| shinkamui | its not showing up | 04:46 |
| shinkamui | how do you refresh icons manually | 04:46 |
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| matthew- | shinkamui: u better tell me how to fix the MyWord | 04:50 |
| matthew- | ;] | 04:50 |
| shinkamui | fix what? | 04:51 |
| shinkamui | ls | 04:52 |
| shinkamui | oops | 04:52 |
| matthew- | ;] | 04:52 |
| matthew- | the MyWord | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | shinkamui, used to be you'd update the icon cache. | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | No more icon cache in PR1.1, however. | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, restart? | 04:57 |
| microlith | :( my phone's gone stupid and won't swap out of portrait mode | 04:57 |
| shinkamui | well, I suck again today GeneralAntilles | 04:57 |
| shinkamui | looks like it WAS updating automatically | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | microlith, restart. | 04:57 |
| shinkamui | just wasn't falling into the correct category | 04:57 |
| shinkamui | shows up under all though | 04:57 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 04:58 |
| shinkamui | figuring out why my categories don't work will be another fun task though | 04:58 |
| timeless_mbp | someone was complaining about a lack of a way to do copy from modest, right? | 04:58 |
| timeless_mbp | gtkhtml will provide a way to do copy for 1.2 | 04:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | which means there will be at least some slightly less hacky way of dealing w/ it | 04:58 |
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| matthew- | damn! | 04:59 |
| matthew- | $5 to who solves my problem! :D | 04:59 |
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| shinkamui | GeneralAntilles, how would I execute or troubleshoot a .desktop link | 05:01 |
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| shinkamui | the Exec= line runs fine in the terminal, but launcher eventually closes on me when I run the icon | 05:01 |
| shinkamui | I'd like to see what its doing, but I dont know how to execute the shortcut or trace its execution from the cmd line. is there a log I can look at? | 05:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh speaking of things that might be coming | 05:11 |
| timeless_mbp | it might someday be possible to send arbitrary files using bluetooth from the filemanager in some version of maemo5 :o | 05:12 |
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| matthew- | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=485817#post485817 | 05:12 |
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| mtnbkr_ | any one else have issues with the k/b backlight not always coming on when screen is slid open on N900? is there currently a bug open | 05:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: the fact that filemanager doesn't know how to access files outside of MyDocs pretty much perverts the meaning of 'arbitrary' | 05:31 |
| timeless_mbp | s/arbitrary// | 05:31 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: it might someday be possible to send files using bluetooth from the filemanager in some version of maemo5 :o | 05:31 |
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| _andy | howdy | 05:32 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: what i meant was "files that aren't pictures (which you can send with images) or tracks/movies (which if you try hard enough you can send with Media Player) | 05:32 |
| _andy | i can't get my IMAP e-mail account to work. I ran tcpdump and found out that the client is attempting an SSLv2 handshake.. which the server may not accept. is there a way I can force it to use V3? | 05:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | _andy: um | 05:34 |
| timeless_mbp | what kind of connection did you pick? | 05:34 |
| _andy | pop3s | 05:34 |
| timeless_mbp | if you chose Normal (TLS) you shouldn't be getting SSLv2 | 05:34 |
| _andy | naw.. its pop3s over port 995. | 05:34 |
| _andy | the TCP handshake is OK so I know the port its not a networking issue | 05:35 |
| timeless_mbp | using an obsolete protocol and expecting decent behavior... | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | IMAP over POP3?? o.O | 05:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3728#c1 | 05:37 |
| povbot` | Bug 3728: Modest reports email username / password incorrect when it is correct | 05:37 |
| timeless_mbp | describes how to get some logging from something | 05:37 |
| _andy | coolbeans. | 05:39 |
| _andy | ty timeless_mbp | 05:39 |
| T7g | Angrybirds, 2-18 in one shot | 05:40 |
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| _andy | hmm.. nothing useful sadly.. | 05:45 |
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| _andy | just "failed to read valid greeting from pop server" which would make sense since the server isn't respoding to the SSLv2 handshake request | 05:45 |
| shinkamui | angry birds was awesome, I just beat the 3rd map yesterday | 05:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3728#c12 is exactly to the point I've seen every now and then with Pr1.0 mailer. My suspicion was it's caused by a 'minpoll time 15Minutes' error I might get for reply from mailservice | 05:52 |
| povbot` | Bug 3728: Modest reports email username / password incorrect when it is correct | 05:52 |
| matthew- | https://twitter.com/mfrenzys | 05:55 |
| matthew- | ;-) | 05:55 |
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| _andy | thanks DocScrutinizer51 this is exactly the behavior I am seeing | 06:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | It was doing that a while back for me | 06:03 |
| SpeedEvil | When my hostname somehow got screwed up | 06:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | to sixteen nulls. | 06:03 |
| _andy | lol | 06:05 |
| _andy | ouch | 06:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nah, comes and goes here. concurrent polling mail clients on other machines. clear case of interference. | 06:05 |
| matthew- | SpeedEvil: c'mon help me! :D | 06:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | ? | 06:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the annoying part is maemo mailer doesn't know to 'read' the error details reported from server (POP3 btw fwiw) and reacts with the silly passwors dialog | 06:07 |
| _andy | :( | 06:08 |
| _andy | bed time then I guess. | 06:08 |
| _andy | nn ty for infos | 06:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | _andy: still I wonder how a IMAP account can be accessed via POP3 | 06:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Or did I get something wrong | 06:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ? | 06:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 043248 <_andy> i can't get my IMAP e-mail account to work. 043433 <timeless_mbp> what kind of connection did you pick? 043439 <_andy> pop3s | 06:11 |
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| shinkamui | pupnik, around? | 06:22 |
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| goodwill | garnetvm brings back memories | 07:56 |
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| goodwill | and it has handwriting recognition | 08:03 |
| goodwill | hehehe | 08:03 |
| goodwill | and it super slow | 08:03 |
| goodwill | to type up a word like that | 08:03 |
| goodwill | does anyone know how simulate F1 - F10 keys on n900 | 08:05 |
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| gks2001 | i am new to maemo.please tell me where to place .c file to compile it. | 08:09 |
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| goodwill | gks: anywhere? | 08:10 |
| goodwill | gks: that's a very stran | 08:11 |
| goodwill | gks: that's a very strange question | 08:11 |
| goodwill | gks: it is standard gcc .. same as everywhere | 08:14 |
| gks2001 | i placed it in home directory.. but its giving that No such file or directory | 08:16 |
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| goodwill | gks2001: again the question makes no sense | 08:18 |
| ShadowJK | Well the N900 itself does not come with a c compiler installed | 08:23 |
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| RST38h | There is FORTRAN installed as an easter egg though | 08:28 |
| RST38h | To enable it, you have to rotate your N900 in counterclockwise direction 360 times | 08:28 |
| sheepbat | I knew those accelerometers were in there for a reason | 08:29 |
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| goodwill | RST38h: u just wait till soe writes fortran qt bindings ... then you will cry and cry ;) | 08:33 |
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| LuciusMare | hey, how it's going with the wront-terminal-keycode_sending? | 08:45 |
| LuciusMare | *wrong | 08:45 |
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| LuciusMare | oy | 08:51 |
| LuciusMare | important life leson | 08:51 |
| LuciusMare | dont code on wc | 08:51 |
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| adeus | dropped your laptop into the toilet? | 09:03 |
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| adeus | that community thread in maemo-devel is a fun read | 09:11 |
| adeus | good to see that ad hominem is alive and kicking :) | 09:11 |
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| Hukka | Speaking of maemo-devel, do people really think that normal users will not upgrade their maemo fw? | 09:16 |
| Hukka | I think it's like saying that they won't update their desktops, since it happens OTA and there's a flashing icon all the time they won't do it. Very different from having to first find out that there is an update for their S60 phone and then reflashing with a computer. | 09:17 |
| adeus | no they don't | 09:18 |
| adeus | but personally I just wouldn't give them new packages until they do | 09:18 |
| Hukka | While forcing users is usually bit bad, I think that making the upgrading the path of least resistance is good for the experience too; less bugs, crashes and reboots. | 09:19 |
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| Corsac | well, they're not forced, they are forced *if they want to install/upgrade extra applications” | 09:20 |
| Corsac | no problem imho | 09:20 |
| Corsac | if they stay with only the original applications, no problem, they can stay with 42-11 | 09:21 |
| Hukka | Everything is updating these days. Games have done that for ages, and I think they are updating even devices classified as appliances (consoles at least, but even bluray players have Internet...) | 09:21 |
| Hukka | Corsac: I'm not thinking really forcing, but something like a reminder when booting. A dialog that says "updates available". At least for the main fw. | 09:21 |
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| Hukka | Ahhahahaha :D. Jeff asking who the hell is the current maemo.org ISP. Answer: Logica :) | 09:39 |
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| Stskeeps | well, any idiot could have digged that up with a 'whois' | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:40 |
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| Hukka | Well yeah, but that's not the point. The point was that I didn't particularily care about it before, but now it's painfully clear where things started to go wrong. | 09:40 |
| Hukka | Logica, fail :) | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | in .dk, it's IBM of all things that has a bad reputation | 09:41 |
| Hukka | Stskeeps: At least that's an american company. Over here the worst screwups are patently local players | 09:42 |
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| Hukka | I can understand (well, somewhat understand) that the goverment keeps shooting it's own leg time after time, since there's nothing much better in here, but Nokia shouldn't have the stupid sentimentality of buying finnish services, when they are worthless | 09:43 |
| Hukka | And I'm sure most of maemo.org users are not finns either... | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | logica exists in .dk too though, but not sure if it's same company | 09:44 |
| adeus | Logica is a uk company | 09:44 |
| adeus | failure is universal :) | 09:45 |
| mece | aahah | 09:45 |
| mece | well put | 09:45 |
| Hukka | It is? Wow, I guess they have just bought quite many Finnish companies, then | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | Hukka: then again you have to appreciate a company you can sling finnish curses at, difficult to do with international companies ;) | 09:45 |
| Hukka | Over the years quite many services over here have changed brands over to that, and gone down the cliff | 09:45 |
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| Hukka | Well, at least Tunaattori, I mean Tieto is still completely our fault :) | 09:46 |
| mece | Hukka, what did they do/screw? | 09:46 |
| adeus | everything? | 09:47 |
| Hukka | adeus: Do you know how integrated they are? maemo.org was particularily hosted by logica.fi | 09:47 |
| Hukka | mece: Fortunately for others, mostly just municipial and goverment projects | 09:47 |
| adeus | being a hosting company, I would hope they have nodes in many places | 09:47 |
| Hukka | Though there are some examples of other companies folding, because their IT upgrade costs exploded under Tieto | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | Hukka: well, logica is the new hosting, not sure who old hosting was | 09:48 |
| * mece has been "chatting" all morning without reading that he should identify before his messages are seen... *awkward* | 09:48 | |
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| Wolfie | goddamn freenode | 09:49 |
| adeus | yeah | 09:49 |
| adeus | maemo.org works well comparet to this :) | 09:49 |
| mece | Wolfie, Åbo Akademi O.O | 09:49 |
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| Wolfie | couldn't talk because i wasn't identified. but I couldn't change my nick because i couldn't talk at #maemo | 09:49 |
| Wolfie | mece: indeed | 09:49 |
| Hukka | mece: I suppose I could give endless examples, but Tieto is responsible from things ranging from travel expenses programs to the botched electronic voting pilot | 09:50 |
| mece | Hukka, ok... I guess I haven't been paying attention | 09:50 |
| Hukka | They really try to do everything that the goverment needs IT for... | 09:50 |
| Wolfie | Hukka: it's not much to try. Give the lowest bid and they're forced to take you. Since you underbid yourself, you don't have the resources to do the job properly, leading to the lucrative business of failing | 09:51 |
| Hukka | Wolfie: Except that it seems that underbidding doesn't prevent overrunning... | 09:52 |
| Wolfie | so, in practie, the finnish law guarantees any bid-based systems to be crap | 09:52 |
| Hukka | So they actually produce crap, but get paid for it decently | 09:52 |
| Wolfie | Hukka: of course not. That's just a bid. The budget can still be exceeded, leading to financial interestingness | 09:52 |
| Hukka | I'd like to hear if they've ever done a succesfull project | 09:52 |
| Wolfie | the Sampo bank migration? | 09:53 |
| Wolfie | oh, no. wait | 09:53 |
| Wolfie | i give up :) | 09:53 |
| Hukka | Wolfie: That was theirs too? | 09:53 |
| mece | Aaaaahahahhaa | 09:53 |
| mece | I actually think that was some danish peeps | 09:53 |
| Hukka | mece: Well the new owners are danish. Hard to say who handled the migration | 09:53 |
| Wolfie | Hukka: afaik, yes. Along with IBM | 09:53 |
| Wolfie | can't say about the particulars, though. I guess wikipedia would know this too :) | 09:53 |
| mece | fun times | 09:54 |
| Hukka | But anyway, I have the feeling that there's a bunch of companies that specialize in knowing nothing and offering everything, thus handling all the public infrastructure projects | 09:54 |
| Hukka | But for the love of all that is holy, I can't understand why any commercial entity, that is not forced to go for the lowest bid, would want anything to do with them. | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | on the other hand, it's hard to find any ISP that does not have some person disliking them | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:55 |
| Hukka | Stskeeps: But at least choose one that has managed to do something right :) | 09:55 |
| Hukka | Preferably something, that is actually an ISP as their core business | 09:56 |
| mece | so anyone actually know wtf is up with tmo or are we just guessing? | 09:56 |
| Hukka | Logica is one of those companies that agrees to do anything, if asked for the price | 09:56 |
| Hukka | (Withour actually knowing how) | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | mece: tmo is hosted somewhere else than the rest of site | 09:56 |
| Wolfie | Hukka: because they have money to spend | 09:56 |
| Wolfie | Hukka: i can't divulge any details, but I'm in a project with one of those integrators that seem to have money for projects but no interest or skill to drive one | 09:57 |
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| mece | Stskeeps, I know, but do we know if stuff is being worked on to get it online and whatnot? | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | mece: Reggie's domain | 09:57 |
| Wolfie | they pay well, so it's profitable for subcontractors to get paid | 09:57 |
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| mece | haha twitter: @RevdKathy is t.m.o down? I've got the shakes already. #n900 | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | mece: but yeah, not getting my TMO fix is making me twitchy | 09:57 |
| adeus | works here | 09:58 |
| Hukka | Wolfie: You'd think that nobody has that much money, that if they are interested enough to bother actually paying for something, they wouldn't want it to succeed with somewhat large likelyhood | 09:58 |
| mece | irt's up! | 09:58 |
| Hukka | And you just can't find any good references to Tieto or Logica, I think... | 09:58 |
| Hukka | The best are something like "It worked, if you didn't sneeze on it, and only costed 50% extra" | 09:59 |
| Wolfie | Hukka: you'd think that, yes | 09:59 |
| Hukka | It's beyond me how someone with such a irresponsible attitude ever managed to get their hands on such a big pile of money | 09:59 |
| Wolfie | but it seems like once they sell only a few units (which are _huge_ units, btw), they have covered the development costs already, so they don't have to care about quality | 10:00 |
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| mece | Hukka, Wolfie, there are some companies that invest a lot in marketing and have excellent sales people, that people "trust" and go to even though their services are shit. | 10:00 |
| Wolfie | i think it's a problem of having too big an organization. The left hand doesn't know that the right hand doesn't really care, and wants to go home | 10:01 |
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| mece | like tieto | 10:01 |
| Hukka | mece: How can you market something, when you can't give a single example of doing things right...? I personally wonder if it's all about just hiring people from the goverment and cities into the company, so that they will then sell the sw back to their old friends. | 10:02 |
| mece | Hukka, it takes skill :) | 10:02 |
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| mece | if you just give them the screenshots and leave out the bad stuff, it all sounds very good -> papers are signed. | 10:03 |
| Hukka | There's an error in the world! | 10:03 |
| Hukka | Argh. | 10:04 |
| mece | no kiddin | 10:04 |
| Hukka | This is not a good way to start a day; to think these thoughts :/ | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | Hukka: it's the darkness of finnish winter that does that to you | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:04 |
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| Hukka | I have a alarm light. | 10:04 |
| Hukka | Though I didn't sleep next to it last night... | 10:05 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, this morning itsn ot the darkness thats a problem, its just brassic | 10:05 |
| lcuk | the sun is up and its a lovely "brisk" morning | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | it's supposed to be -24 in windchill here in poland today | 10:05 |
| mece | brisk as in fecking cold? | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | i still wonder if HEL will feel colder than warsaw or not. | 10:05 |
| Hukka | The weather feels weird. Last evening it was only -10, but I could have sworne it was below -15 | 10:05 |
| Hukka | Even breathing in seemed harsh | 10:06 |
| adeus | it's -20 right now | 10:06 |
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| Hukka | -16 in Espoo | 10:06 |
| mece | Stskeeps, nice. It's only -11 here in Tku | 10:06 |
| Hukka | Stskeeps: We don't even think about the windchill. We are next to the sea... | 10:06 |
| Hukka | It's there, always | 10:06 |
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| Stskeeps | Hukka: yeah, i come from denmark originally so the climate there is different | 10:06 |
| mece | Stskeeps, HEL? I always considered it rather neutral in temperature. Slightly cool. | 10:07 |
| oilinki | +31.3 in Phuket :) | 10:07 |
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| Hukka | oilinki: Wouldn't trade for that | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: got any pictures from HEL uploaded btw? | 10:08 |
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| mece | wtf? | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | just wondering how bad it -actually- is | 10:08 |
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| * mece is thinking of an entirely different hel, apparently. | 10:08 | |
| Stskeeps | helsinki | 10:08 |
| Hukka | Marius Vollmer is my hero | 10:08 |
| oilinki | Hukka: I did and would not trade back :) | 10:09 |
| Hukka | He says the right thing for those maemo.org people, and he's not an outsider | 10:09 |
| mece | Stskeeps, I was thinking of Loki's daughter's place. | 10:09 |
| Hukka | oilinki: Actually this winter is decent in Newland. I'm from Karelia, and so far all the winters have been bleak and awful | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | mece: well, Hel is freezing over due to Nokia going to be having ogg and flac support in harmattan, so it might be | 10:10 |
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| Stskeeps | :P | 10:10 |
| Hukka | oilinki: -20 -- -25 in winter, +20 -- +25 in summer. That's the best temerature :) | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | i still think the best application for maemo is the weather applet example that constantly shows 35 C in helsinki. | 10:11 |
| ifreq | yeah its tropical in here atm. | 10:12 |
| oilinki | Hukka: since I moved to SEA there has not been an reason to look for weather forecasts and temperatures. Always decent weather. Sometimes rains. But I would love to import the Loong Finnish summerdays here. | 10:12 |
| X-Fade | Ugh, sorry for the spam on the extras-cauldron-builds list :( | 10:14 |
| adeus | in Hawaii, there weather forecast only told the wave heights | 10:14 |
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| mece | Stskeeps, are they having ogg in harmattan? | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | mece: seems so | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | mece: look at the ogg bug | 10:15 |
| mece | Stskeeps, nice. | 10:15 |
| oilinki | is the free nokia navigation confirmed somewhere already? | 10:15 |
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| mece | Hmm, "ogg" is from pratchett, right? | 10:15 |
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| Wolfie | doesn't the librarian say "ook"? | 10:16 |
| mece | hmm, ok. I'm not a pratcheteer, so I don't know. I just had a feeling it was from pratchett. I guess not. | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: BTW, are you reverting to 1.0 or 1.0.1? | 10:17 |
| petur | he does | 10:17 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Maemo5 update2 to be exact. | 10:17 |
| mece | moar tea! | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: excellent, then i don't need to be doing tricks for the themers finally building themes using source packages :) | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | (hildon-theme-layout-5 is in there and hildon-theme-tools) | 10:18 |
| X-Fade | But I hop to find some time to experiment with the things Marius proposed. | 10:18 |
| X-Fade | Basically we only see issues in libosso, gstreamer and sharing, as fas I can see now. | 10:19 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, no i havent setup any sharing services up | 10:19 |
| X-Fade | Although the sharing one is the hardest one as it wasn't available in earier versions. | 10:20 |
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| Stskeeps | actually sharing-plugin -lib- was | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | just not -dev | 10:21 |
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| X-Fade | Ah, well then that should theoretically not be a problem :) | 10:21 |
| mece | did you read Texrat's blog post? | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | mece: yes, had to do something while tmo is down | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | gah, this is going to be a long day | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | migrating 7k worth of mail from my uni account | 10:22 |
| guerby | timeless_mbp, hi again, did you get a chance to test on google maps with right click yesterday? | 10:22 |
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| Stskeeps | woo, tmo is back up | 10:36 |
| Hukka | Stskeeps: How does that take long? | 10:37 |
| Hukka | Stskeeps: You don't sort your mail by content, do you :? | 10:37 |
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| Stskeeps | Hukka: well, i'm moving them one by one :P | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | that came out wrong | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | i move them using thunderbird copy, mark, transfer | 10:38 |
| lcuk | CTRL+A, DELETE | 10:38 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: i did consider that | 10:39 |
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| lcuk | ive still got backup of my homefolder from college | 10:39 |
| lcuk | tucked away inside a backup of my first home pc | 10:39 |
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| Stskeeps | i rarely delete data | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | except when lost | 10:40 |
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| Stskeeps | like when i dropped my friggen backup hd on concrete floor in midst of server migratio | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | n | 10:40 |
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| Hukka | Stskeeps: Er, why? | 10:41 |
| Hukka | Stskeeps: Why not just move them all at the same time? | 10:42 |
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| Stskeeps | Hukka: misunderstood me, i am :P | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | it just takes time cos i have to do a roundtrip dk-pl-gmail | 10:44 |
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| Hukka | Hmh, I don't get it. It seems like a simple "mark all", "move all marked" command to me | 10:45 |
| Hukka | Though I don't use Thuunderbird, so I'm not sure what the commands are exactly | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | it is, but it just takes time to complete | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | and between two IMAP accounts | 10:46 |
| Hukka | Shouldn't take more than 15 minutes. Slow connection? | 10:46 |
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| Stskeeps | probably. eastern european country :P | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | either way, 6000/7400 atm | 10:47 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | Hukka: upgrades of browsers on leading edge iirc are in the 95% range. on the trailing edge for firefox it's 75%, on the trailing edge for IE it's well, not done. | 11:11 |
| timeless_mbp | guerby: hold shift | 11:11 |
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| guerby | timeless_mbp, ok this does work thx! so I screwed up my testing of modifiers yesterday... | 11:13 |
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| pronto | haha, lighthtpp does | 11:13 |
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| Hukka | timeless_mbp: Do you mean between versions, or bugfixes? | 11:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | Hukka: have *any* finnish ISPs done *anything* right? | 11:16 |
| timeless_mbp | Hukka: between releases | 11:16 |
| Hukka | timeless_mbp: Does funet count :? | 11:16 |
| timeless_mbp | including minors | 11:16 |
| timeless_mbp | Hukka: dunno, you're the one w/ stories | 11:16 |
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| Hukka | timeless_mbp: Well, so far it's been fine, but it's not really a commercial entity | 11:17 |
| pronto | http://moo.pronto185.com:666/ >.> is being run from my n900 xD | 11:17 |
| Hukka | pronto: Is that also your only phone :? | 11:17 |
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| pronto | nah, why? | 11:18 |
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| pronto | i'm just bored and messing around with tings | 11:18 |
| Hukka | timeless_mbp: I think that the fair comparison for maemo are FF autoupdates. There you get a window telling about updates and it's as simple to accept as to cancel them | 11:18 |
| Hukka | And if you cancel, you get them later again | 11:18 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: you still in HEL? i wanna say hello | 11:19 |
| Hukka | pronto: Was just wondering if dossing that down will prevent you from taking calls | 11:19 |
| pronto | lmao | 11:19 |
| pronto | at 4am i doubt i'm going to get calls | 11:19 |
| Hukka | pronto: And that dossing N900 is probably so easy that it can happen with a very small slashdot-effect | 11:19 |
| pronto | its not like its staying up, i'm just playing around | 11:19 |
| pronto | also, webservers used to run on a lot slower hardware then then n900 has | 11:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | Hukka: i'm a mozillan roughly speaking before i'm a nokian | 11:22 |
| timeless_mbp | those numbers i tossed out really are Firefox numbers | 11:22 |
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| mece | gaah why is twitter being spammed with new firmware for N900?? | 11:23 |
| Hukka | timeless_mbp: What do those numbers actually mean? That 75% of FF2 users have never updated their browser since the initial install? | 11:23 |
| timeless_mbp | Hukka: i think the number is adoption at a given minor release | 11:24 |
| timeless_mbp | and i think 75% is uptake on the ff3.0.x series | 11:24 |
| timeless_mbp | so 25% haven't updated from ff3.0.x to ff3.0.y where x = y - 1 | 11:24 |
| timeless_mbp | ff2 is EOL | 11:25 |
| timeless_mbp | it doesn't mean they'll never update | 11:25 |
| timeless_mbp | but, . | 11:25 |
| timeless_mbp | well, Nokia is funny | 11:25 |
| timeless_mbp | a colleague's Firefox was 3.0.6 | 11:25 |
| timeless_mbp | current is 3.0.16 iirc | 11:25 |
| timeless_mbp | there are installers in the automated system for 3.5.4 and 3.5.6 | 11:26 |
| timeless_mbp | (neither are current) | 11:26 |
| Hukka | Lemme guess, the updates should come from Tivoli? | 11:26 |
| timeless_mbp | nokia's systems of course are locked | 11:26 |
| timeless_mbp | used to. we replaced Tivoli w/ something else | 11:26 |
| Hukka | Oh, ok | 11:26 |
| Hukka | Haven't been in Nokia since 2004 | 11:26 |
| timeless_mbp | the something else is Java based (bad fonts, bad pictures Java) | 11:26 |
| timeless_mbp | but basically the geniuses don't push updates | 11:27 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, and i tried to use it to upgrade his wXP system to Office 2007 | 11:27 |
| Shrik3 | ah, nokia IT admins, how I *don't* miss them =) | 11:27 |
| timeless_mbp | the download is ~1.5gb afaik | 11:27 |
| timeless_mbp | it thought it had downloaded and installed | 11:27 |
| timeless_mbp | afaict, it didn't | 11:28 |
| Shrik3 | if the managers didn't know how to game the system, no one would get their job done ever | 11:28 |
| timeless_mbp | so now it thinks he has 2007 installed :) | 11:28 |
| mece | omg how my N900 needs a webcomic widget | 11:28 |
| timeless_mbp | mece: heh | 11:28 |
| Hukka | mece: Hey, that's a good idea | 11:28 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, did i mention, Java is / was out of date on his system? | 11:28 |
| Hukka | mece: Do you want to make one, or just test one? | 11:28 |
| mece | I was looking at porting the kde one, but I can't seem to find the time (or the skills) | 11:28 |
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| Hukka | Hm, port... | 11:29 |
| Hukka | I was thinking about just making one | 11:29 |
| mece | it's Qt | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | morning andre__ | 11:29 |
| mece | Hukka, yes, that would be easier. | 11:29 |
| Hukka | Yeah, I would go for Qt too | 11:29 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, heja | 11:29 |
| Hukka | mece: Also I think that the port wouldn't be so nice | 11:29 |
| mece | fuckit, hardcoded xkcd widget ! | 11:29 |
| mece | :) | 11:29 |
| mece | anyway | 11:29 |
| Hukka | mece: touch scrolling and fitted to just the right resolution | 11:29 |
| mece | well I guess you don't really need to scroll. | 11:30 |
| Hukka | mece: But I was thinking more about a real reader app, how would you envision the widget? | 11:30 |
| mece | lemme draw it up. | 11:30 |
| Hukka | mece: Just update notification, or something that actually shows comics on the desktop? | 11:30 |
| mece | actually shows it. | 11:30 |
| Hukka | And portrait mode! | 11:31 |
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| Hukka | (Since some comics are actually longer than wider, the 2x2 format, not the 1x3 format) | 11:31 |
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| ifreq | anyone got random dns/route issues with n900 | 11:33 |
| mece | I was thinking a combo, of scrollable fullscreen (aw fukit, launch browser for that) and a readable thumbnail. | 11:33 |
| ifreq | last time i had when connecting to 3G.. now same occurred when connecting to home wifi | 11:33 |
| ifreq | and both are tested and usually work okay. | 11:34 |
| ifreq | cant get idea what the problem could be :P | 11:34 |
| Hukka | mece: Actually I was thinking more about the fullscreen app, since the browser isn't that nice | 11:34 |
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| Hukka | mece: Lot's of screen estate is wasted on the navigation etc with comics | 11:34 |
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| Hukka | mece: I'd quite like the possibility to just move to next and previous strip by just kinetic scrolling | 11:35 |
| timeless_mbp | http://qc.embarcadero.com/wc/qcmain.aspx?d=51215 | 11:35 |
| Hukka | Also the app could preload the next/previous comics, and I think you might get quit a smooth experience | 11:35 |
| mece | Hukka, kinetic scrolling on widgets is not a good idea. Well up/down I guess. but we could have buttons. | 11:36 |
| timeless_mbp | is awesome | 11:36 |
| timeless_mbp | @mozilla.org we're currently suffering from fpu things | 11:36 |
| Hukka | mece: I don't mean a continious scroll, but more like a swiping gesture | 11:36 |
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| Hukka | I guess I used the wrong term to what I meant | 11:36 |
| mece | Hukka, yeah, but that's still how you move from desktop to desktop... | 11:37 |
| Hukka | mece: That's what I was thinking | 11:37 |
| Hukka | No need to hit a particular button, just swipe for the next "page" | 11:37 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | "Nokia makes worldwide walk and drive navigation free on smartphones" | 11:37 |
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| Stskeeps | n900 is a computer, obviously | 11:38 |
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| mece | Hukka, but I mean if it's a widget, swiping will cause you not to move to next desktop, but to view next comic | 11:39 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | n900 needs some love, too! | 11:39 |
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| Hukka | mece: Do you really want to read comics in some 100x50 widget? | 11:39 |
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| Hukka | mece: I was talking about the fullscreen app | 11:40 |
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| mece | Hukka, we obviously need both :) | 11:51 |
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| mece | Hukka, I want this: http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/1674/5ee629960db540a986d78f2f8159ec20.jpg | 11:51 |
| Hukka | mece: I'm just having troubles grasping this, but why would you want to read it in a widget instead of full screen? | 11:52 |
| mece | Hukka, with click to embiggen | 11:52 |
| Hukka | Widgets are nice for things that you can glance on, but comics are not really like that | 11:52 |
| mece | Hukka, because I don't want to klick to see it. If I wanted that I could just add the bookmark. | 11:53 |
| mece | now I can just go "oh, a new xkcd! nice! | 11:53 |
| mece | and if it's big, I can click to read it | 11:53 |
| Hukka | mece: Ok, so you want it to show only unread comics? | 11:53 |
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| ifreq | mece: isnt that the way of rss feeds :P | 11:57 |
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| ifreq | seems to offer that one. tryed it? | 11:58 |
| mece | Hukka, no just the latest, unless I browse. http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/1674/f8b2c3c8bc5e4efc91fa497703abcff4.jpg | 11:58 |
| mece | ifreq, what do you mean? | 11:59 |
| ifreq | those are usually done via rss feeds | 11:59 |
| mece | ifreq, quite. | 11:59 |
| ifreq | just need widget on nXXX to red it | 11:59 |
| adeus | listening to Belphegor I see | 11:59 |
| ifreq | xkcd atleast seems to offer feeds on their site | 11:59 |
| mece | ifreq, exactly | 11:59 |
| mece | adeus \,,/ | 11:59 |
| ifreq | mece: ah i thought there is reader allrdy | 12:00 |
| mece | ifreq, no, it's a mockup | 12:00 |
| mece | ifreq, it's what I want. | 12:00 |
| mece | Hukka, you make the app, I'll make the widget, then combine? | 12:00 |
| mece | is python widgets still a nono? | 12:02 |
| ifreq | mece: okay understood | 12:03 |
| * Arkenoi still has ff2 on a platform that cannot update | 12:03 | |
| timeless_mbp | Arkenoi: which platform is that? | 12:03 |
| Arkenoi | timeless_mbp, hp-ux pa-risc | 12:04 |
| timeless_mbp | ... | 12:04 |
| thresh | 'cannot' means 'there are no updated available' :P | 12:04 |
| timeless_mbp | https://h20293.www2.hp.com/portal/swdepot/displayProductInfo.do?productNumber=HPUXJAVAFFTB ? | 12:04 |
| thresh | s/ed/es/ | 12:04 |
| infobot | thresh meant: 'cannot' means 'there are no updates available' :P | 12:04 |
| timeless_mbp | which version of hp-ux do you have? | 12:05 |
| Arkenoi | thresh: well, newer version requires newer gtk, newer gtk uses different input method and different input method is not compatible with X server's way to hadle russian keyboard | 12:05 |
| Arkenoi | 11.23 | 12:05 |
| Arkenoi | s/hadle/handle/ | 12:05 |
| timeless_mbp | so | 12:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | your claim is kinda misleading | 12:06 |
| mece | ffs! wiki is busted | 12:06 |
| timeless_mbp | ff3 is available for your platform | 12:06 |
| timeless_mbp | it could update | 12:06 |
| Arkenoi | so that effectively means no working update is available | 12:06 |
| timeless_mbp | you just don't want to because of something else | 12:06 |
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| Arkenoi | it could, but it is unusable | 12:06 |
| Arkenoi | so i am stuck with old version | 12:06 |
| timeless_mbp | whose xserver is this btw? | 12:06 |
| Arkenoi | i probably need an itanic machine to install 11iV3 | 12:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | it sounds like the hp-ux equiv of Xsun | 12:07 |
| Arkenoi | timeless, HP's own version of xfree86 which is not really xfree86 | 12:07 |
| * timeless_mbp nods | 12:07 | |
| timeless_mbp | i presume Xorg doesn't support your card-thing | 12:07 |
| Arkenoi | maybe. the card is pretty generic but replacing X server may lead to more problems. the input device drivers on HP-UX are non-standard. | 12:09 |
| Arkenoi | and it is too much a mess for just upgrading firefox ;-) | 12:10 |
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| mece | I think I'll get crackin on this comic widget thing. Don't hold your breath though, I have a full time job and 4 small kids... | 12:12 |
| Hukka | mece: Could work on it, yeah, once I finish this one | 12:13 |
| Hukka | Well, finish... get it working for normal people | 12:13 |
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| Hukka | mece: Four kids... you sure like a busy life | 12:13 |
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| mece | Hukka, got triplets, so I don't have four kids by choice. | 12:15 |
| Hukka | Oh, wow | 12:15 |
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| anidel | morning everyone | 12:21 |
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| lucent | morning. about bloody time that I figured out how to hop onto ssh screen irssi session from my N900 | 12:21 |
| lucent | would be nice to cherrypick packages from testing or devel | 12:23 |
| lucent | I am wanting the new ogg support so that tags will be read from flac | 12:24 |
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| lucent | is there an "Alt" in the X Terminal? i.e. for Alt+n to switch irssi views | 12:28 |
| Fatal | esc-n | 12:28 |
| lucent | fabulous. thank you Fatal | 12:29 |
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| ifreq | esc-a for next active window | 12:29 |
| ifreq | <3 | 12:29 |
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| pupnik | or control-n for next window | 12:31 |
| pupnik | @ lucent | 12:32 |
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| mece | oops | 12:42 |
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| Oli`` | What's happened to maemo.org? | 12:51 |
| mece | interesting. | 12:52 |
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| chem|st | mece: int..eresting | 12:53 |
| odin_ | It works! | 12:54 |
| odin_ | right on maemo.org admin | 12:54 |
| chem|st | looks like the discussion of two wikipedia admins "You cant delete the main page!"..."Sure I can, I show you!"..."WTF, you deleted the wiki mainpage?!?"..."I said I can..." | 12:55 |
| odin_ | any uses of BeagleBoard or IGEPv2 ? I am looking at the IGEPv2 it seems like a mini N900 on a board (all be it slighly diff chipset) | 12:56 |
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| FIQ | Seems like the server has the default apache files | 12:56 |
| chem|st | odin_: I thought about using 4 of those to build a cluster... | 12:56 |
| odin_ | I'm sure they will undelete it soon, wiki has undo history | 12:57 |
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| chem|st | mmh someone said "yes" when asked while upgradeing "Do you wnat to replace the modified with the maintainers file" | 12:57 |
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| chem|st | odin_: maemo main page is not part of the wiki... and FIQ allready said, looks like apache configs replaced | 12:58 |
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| Oli`` | Whatever its cause, it looks like another in a long line of maintenance cock ups. My cat could run it better than it's been for the last couple of weeks. | 12:59 |
| odin_ | the FIQ ? | 13:00 |
| FIQ | what | 13:00 |
| FIQ | i'm not a thing, i'm a person. :< | 13:00 |
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| chem|st | odin_: what your language ;) | 13:02 |
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| chem|st | odin_: watch your language ;) | 13:02 |
| odin_ | huh | 13:02 |
| chem|st | should that say... I'm highly disturbed by work, I should quit here and become a professional IRC idler | 13:02 |
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| ifreq | anyone else have this same prob https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8133 ? | 13:04 |
| povbot` | Bug 8133: dnsmasq segfaults when connecting to a certain WLAN AP | 13:04 |
| odin_ | maybe also install crash-reporter from devtools | 13:05 |
| odin_ | so the SEGV is uploaded back to mothership | 13:05 |
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| odin_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 | 13:05 |
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| pupnik_ | best bug report i've seen in a long time ifreq | 13:08 |
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| odin_ | its just a shame by default the necessary tooling to run gdb and get crash dumps is not available very easily on the N900, so all Nokia can expect is a "this doesn't work for me" report | 13:10 |
| ifreq | pupnik_: too bad its not made by me :P but hope it gets solved soon *g* | 13:11 |
| ifreq | pupnik_: theres been some strange problems with DNS resolv after pr1.1 | 13:11 |
| odin_ | ifreq, can you cuild a debugging version of dnsmasq ? | 13:11 |
| odin_ | s/cuild/build | 13:11 |
| ifreq | odin_: unfortunately not, i dont know exact steps howto proceed. (not developer) :( | 13:12 |
| odin_ | dpkg -l dnsmasq, are you on 55-1 so have dnsmasq=2.35-1osso11+etch4+0m5 | 13:14 |
| ifreq | aha okay | 13:16 |
| ifreq | im on 55-1 yeah | 13:16 |
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| pupnik_ | wb javispedro ! | 13:21 |
| javispedro | morn pupnik_ | 13:21 |
| pupnik_ | http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/27/sharps-5-inch-pc-z1-netwalker-honors-the-zaurus-legacy/ almost doesn't suck | 13:22 |
| pupnik_ | - screen too small, - no user-changeable-battery - unknown openness of OS | 13:22 |
| chem|st | "almost doesnt suck" nices | 13:23 |
| javispedro | too expensive | 13:23 |
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| javispedro | I can get a x86 laptop for half the price and that also reaches 10h of battery (well, _almost_) | 13:23 |
| javispedro | s/laptop/crapbook | 13:24 |
| alterego | does anyone know where the scroll toggle in xterm went? | 13:24 |
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| javispedro | oh, ovi maps should have free navigation on other phones now | 13:26 |
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| alterego | the icon has been replaced with ctrl :( | 13:26 |
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| ifreq | seems my pr1.1 is missing all /var/run/resolv.conf*interface files | 13:26 |
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| ifreq | like on the bug too | 13:26 |
| javispedro | alterego: it doesn't appear until there's something to scroll | 13:26 |
| ifreq | whats the benefit on dnsmasq on mobile device? | 13:27 |
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| alterego | javis, oh, so it is kinda related to me scree session :) thanks | 13:31 |
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| chem|st | javispedro: an x86 laptop with 10h battery life? show me... | 13:32 |
| javispedro | chem|st: a crapbook. though, to be honest, it won't be 5'. | 13:33 |
| Nitial | nokia booklet says even 12h ;) | 13:33 |
| odin_ | ifreq, the current version of dnsmasq is: 2.45-1+lenny1 but N900 ships with 2.35-1osso11+etch4+0m5 maybe a refresh is better... Nokia removes their bespoke patches (if any) and updates the base package and reapplies their stuff | 13:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | my digibox's power supply was "faulty" | 13:35 |
| timeless_mbp | so they've "serviced" it | 13:35 |
| * timeless_mbp goes to pick up a refurbished digibox | 13:35 | |
| timeless_mbp | oh, no, if i do this, i'll miss lunch | 13:36 |
| hendry | i enabled extras on my new n900 and i search for ssh and I can't find any 'ssh' package. what am i doing wrong? | 13:36 |
| timeless_mbp | oh well :) | 13:36 |
| timeless_mbp | hendry: how are you 'searching' and in which version? | 13:36 |
| hendry | hey there timeless_mbp btw, don't see you on w3c stuff much anymore | 13:36 |
| timeless_mbp | because the "new" ham search is stupidy | 13:36 |
| timeless_mbp | it searches app names only and only from the beginning of the string | 13:36 |
| timeless_mbp | hendry: i'm dazed sadly | 13:36 |
| timeless_mbp | i think there's a call today, but i need things in my calendar or i miss them | 13:37 |
| hendry | timeless_mbp: i tried 'openssh' and 'ssh'. brand new n900, not sure how to find the version | 13:37 |
| timeless_mbp | settings>about (product) | 13:37 |
| hendry | crikey, er 1.2009.44-1.203.4 | 13:37 |
| ifreq | odin_: atm im running 2.35-1osso11+etch4+0m5 even i have pr1.1 | 13:38 |
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| chem|st | javispedro: I mean another... with fully crypted hdd and several tweaks I get about 6 or 7h out of my samsung, lately tested with watching movies while on a train for 4.3h and had about 1h left | 13:39 |
| timeless_mbp | hendry: you want to update to 51-1 | 13:39 |
| timeless_mbp | app manager should offer it in 'updates' ... | 13:39 |
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| ifreq | odin_: ah okay.. need to wait patch then :-P | 13:39 |
| timeless_mbp | but be warned, some version of ham makes searching incredibly stupid :) | 13:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | i don't remember if it's 44-1, 51-1, or later | 13:40 |
| timeless_mbp | (later = something you'll get the next time we release) | 13:40 |
| hendry | timeless_mbp: ok, will update now | 13:40 |
| odin_ | ifreq, I've added to the bug report | 13:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh brother | 13:42 |
| * timeless_mbp kicks self | 13:42 | |
| timeless_mbp | trying to do an 'alpha' search for '%' doesn't work very well | 13:43 |
| hendry | hmm, unable to update 'tutorial-home-applet'. not very polished, eh? :) | 13:43 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 13:44 |
| hendry | timeless_mbp: conflict with maemo 51 with 'tutorial-home-applet' when updating. i just clicked 'yes' and moved on | 13:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm, i bet we can't save the log | 13:45 |
| timeless_mbp | since it's going to reboot | 13:45 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 13:45 | |
| timeless_mbp | you're the first person i've heard to have that problem | 13:45 |
| * hendry doesn't undestand these "AP news installer" packages. Why would I want to install an installer. | 13:45 | |
| timeless_mbp | the installer packages are typically preinstalled | 13:45 |
| timeless_mbp | they're just items in the launcher in 'more...' | 13:46 |
| alterego | they're there by default. | 13:46 |
| timeless_mbp | the sad thing is that there are updates available to them :) | 13:46 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: BTW, did you ever raise a hildon-desktop wrapping label bug? | 13:46 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 13:46 |
| alterego | heh | 13:46 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry, please do it | 13:47 |
| range | hendry: So the installer can install the installable package. | 13:47 |
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| pupnik_ | i'm surprised nobody seems to be using synergy to test stuff on n900 | 13:47 |
| pupnik_ | current structure of -testing / qa discourages frequent releases, no? | 13:48 |
| timeless_mbp | pupnik_: i think so | 13:48 |
| timeless_mbp | and yeah, i've been meaning to consider synergy | 13:48 |
| timeless_mbp | please lemme know if it's available | 13:48 |
| pupnik_ | would you prefer the quicksynergy with gui or the cmdline | 13:49 |
| timeless_mbp | i keep wanting to use my mbp's keyboard to type into my n900 when it's "docked" in front of my screen :) | 13:49 |
| pupnik_ | same | 13:49 |
| timeless_mbp | i've *never* used synergy | 13:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | it'd be kinda neat if the led could glow in some color when my "mouse" is on top of the n900 :) | 13:50 |
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| alterego | timeless_mbp: I used to have that all the time with the N8X0 | 13:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | i didn't have a mbp then :) | 13:52 |
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| Stskeeps | hey RevdKathy | 13:55 |
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| pupnik_ | i'd like a semitransparent popup keyboard like the yellow clutter notifications (volume control) for xkbd | 13:58 |
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| pupnik_ | customized with different user-layouts and strings, for an overlay ontop of sdl games/emulators. click button, tap custom-key to send x event to sdl | 13:59 |
| VDVsx | frals, congrats, glad to see nokia helping you :D | 14:01 |
| lupine_85 | ooh, maemo.org is down.. | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | lupine_85: works for me | 14:02 |
| VDVsx | same here (working) | 14:02 |
| lupine_85 | I just get "We're having some difficulties. Please try again in a few minutes." | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | well, http://maemo.org does | 14:02 |
| * pupnik_ pokes javispedro with ↖↑↗ | 14:02 | |
| hendry | lupine_85: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/maemo.org | 14:02 |
| * javispedro hides | 14:03 | |
| timeless_mbp | hendry: i'm a bad juggler and one of my incoming balls caused me to drop that one... | 14:03 |
| frals | VDVsx: thanks :) | 14:03 |
| * timeless_mbp isn't sure if it was mercurial, or something else | 14:03 | |
| lupine_85 | haha. so www.maemo.org is down, maemo.org is up | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: any news from your side re MBX drivers? i requested ability to make a WSEGL as that might do the trick | 14:03 |
| lupine_85 | that's a bit opposite | 14:04 |
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| * lupine_85 hunts bugreports | 14:04 | |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: no, no work done :( | 14:04 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: neither here | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: i submitted patch tree to girish and now waiting for an answer if he has a shrinkwrap yet | 14:05 |
| javispedro | hopefully a non xorg borking one :) | 14:06 |
| adeus | argh need to conf my dosbox | 14:06 |
| adeus | hard to play commander keen without alt :) | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: well, i asked if we can write our own WSEGL as that seems to give us enough data to tell it where to render things :P | 14:06 |
| pupnik_ | hard to map a 101-key keyboard to n900 | 14:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, Synergy worked well in Diablo, I'm assuming you could just install the daemon for Fremantle if QuickSynergy isn't cooperative. | 14:08 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd need a howto | 14:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | since i've never done it :) | 14:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, this is pretty good: http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/running.html | 14:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Don't think there are any synergy packages available for Fremantle, though. | 14:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where's qwerty12 when you need him? | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully having a college girlfriend and getting good grades | 14:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, something makes me doubt it. ;) | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: if it was possible for me to find someone who would marry me, i bet qwerty12 could get a gf :P | 14:10 |
| VDVsx | lol | 14:11 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, he's hang around at TMO | 14:11 |
| zaheerm | likewise | 14:11 |
| VDVsx | grr | 14:11 |
| Remosi | timeless, hrm, theres an old package called x2x | 14:11 |
| Remosi | that I use from time to time | 14:11 |
| Remosi | that doesn't even need to run on the N900 | 14:11 |
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| Remosi | although that's probably true of synergy too -- ssh -X <remotehost> from the N900 | 14:12 |
| Remosi | then connect to that display | 14:12 |
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| red | is there any turn-by-turn navigation software for N900? | 14:13 |
| Oli`` | red: did you just see the news that Ovi maps is going to include TBT for free? | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil1 | Not really. | 14:14 |
| xorAxAx | red: maemo mapper | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil1 | oh | 14:14 |
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| xorAxAx | Oli``: where? | 14:14 |
| Oli`` | red: No idea when that'll ever hit the n900 | 14:14 |
| Oli`` | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8472165.stm | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil | It's more a licensing thing than anything else. | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil | It costs more to license the maps if you do turn by turn | 14:15 |
| Oli`` | But yeah, if that ever makes it to the n900, it'll be superawesome | 14:15 |
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| red | Oli``: ah yeah | 14:15 |
| red | great | 14:15 |
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| Oli`` | Ha! Nokia owns Navteq! That'll simplify the licensing =) | 14:16 |
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| Shapeshifter | hum | 14:18 |
| Shapeshifter | that thing should definetely hit the n900. | 14:19 |
| red | http://mashable.com/2010/01/17/fbi-bin-laden/ | 14:19 |
| Shapeshifter | would be daft if it didn't. | 14:19 |
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| alterego | not really impressed with the new maps application | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | Ovi Maps PR1.0 or PR1.1? | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | PR1.0 is utter shite | 14:25 |
| matthew- | ;] | 14:25 |
| alterego | pr1.1 | 14:25 |
| matthew- | pr1.1 isnt better | 14:25 |
| Oli`` | maps was updated in the latest firmware? | 14:25 |
| nomis | matthew-: it is better, just not very much. | 14:26 |
| alterego | I'm on the latest firmware | 14:26 |
| matthew- | i installed maps for 'offline' use, and it's still well, lets just say useless. | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | matthew-: Maep is the altenraitve | 14:26 |
| nomis | maep is beautifully simple. | 14:27 |
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| alterego | it seems to destroy performance with the rest of the device. no 3D view | 14:27 |
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| matthew- | Stskeeps: i don't know Maep | 14:27 |
| alterego | takes ages to load and you're stuck staring at the loading screen. doesn't have any satelite status info | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | matthew-: worth getting to know | 14:28 |
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| frals | wonder whats best for not getting lost in HEL, ovi maps or maep? :P | 14:29 |
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| Shapeshifter | http://twitter.com/FoneArena/status/8022903616 ? | 14:30 |
| Shapeshifter | "Arshia Varlet (Nokia): The N900 will be added to list of compatible devices soon" | 14:30 |
| Shapeshifter | so you don't have to click. | 14:31 |
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| Stskeeps | frals: i precached Maep | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | frals: what hotel are you at? | 14:32 |
| frals | uh, something in the centre of hel, sec | 14:32 |
| frals | klaus k hotel | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | don't know it :P | 14:33 |
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| Stskeeps | either way, just run maep over some places and it caches it | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | in the later versions | 14:33 |
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| pupnik_ | i really like till's designs | 14:34 |
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| frals | Stskeeps: thanks, ill do that :) | 14:35 |
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| TomaszD | kulve, are you going to promote the 1.0.6-rc1 package to extras-testing? | 14:36 |
| alterego | maep is nice, for what it is. | 14:36 |
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| alterego | the trak log feaure I,ve been after for a while | 14:36 |
| kulve | TomaszD: nope | 14:37 |
| TomaszD | kulve, ok | 14:37 |
| kulve | TomaszD: I'll add couple of other fixes, and after some testing push 1.0.6 to extras-testing | 14:37 |
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| ifreq | odin_: nice :) | 14:37 |
| TomaszD | kulve, because my package depends on it and now I can't promote :) | 14:37 |
| TomaszD | I'll revert to 1.0.5 | 14:37 |
| kulve | yeah, depend on that, if you don't explicitly want the flac tag support | 14:38 |
| kulve | ..in tracker | 14:38 |
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| TomaszD | oh | 14:38 |
| TomaszD | kulve, once 1.0.6 gets released, but decoders-support pulled 1.0.5, will users get notified? | 14:39 |
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| alterego | no speed indicator though, and still no sat status. i think I'll write a desktop plugin which shows gps sat status. | 14:40 |
| kulve | TomaszD: yes | 14:40 |
| TomaszD | alright, so it's not a big problem | 14:40 |
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| adeus | oh yeah | 14:42 |
| adeus | keymap worked | 14:42 |
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| Stskeeps | hey jebba, welcome back to civilization ;) | 14:43 |
| ifreq | Stskeeps: on which definition this chan is near civilization? | 14:43 |
| jebba | heh. getting on another plane in like 10 min... ;) | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | ifreq: compared to maemo-developers at the moment, this is like hawaii on a good warm day. | 14:43 |
| ifreq | lol | 14:43 |
| ifreq | good point | 14:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, try not to slip on the bile. | 14:44 |
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| matthew- | Hey, I'm getting an error when try to add new account on MaStory. | 14:45 |
| matthew- | I use my google account as my username, and the password is correct for sure ant it gives me back "Error getting the blog list" . | 14:45 |
| matthew- | Any idea why? | 14:45 |
| ifreq | which blog youre trying to connect? | 14:45 |
| matthew- | oh, sorry, its Blogger. | 14:46 |
| SpeedEvil | I would install tcpdump. | 14:46 |
| TomaszD | are password case-sensitive? maybe the field capitalizes your password's first letter | 14:46 |
| SpeedEvil | and check things otu that way | 14:46 |
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| matthew- | TomaszD: Checked it, and no it doesnt. | 14:46 |
| TomaszD | ok | 14:46 |
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| _berto_ | anyone with an N900 locked to a carrier? | 14:52 |
| pupnik_ | talk.maemo.org very fast now - nice work | 14:52 |
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| * hendry is still waiting for the maemo update to apply. scary how long it's taking. | 14:54 | |
| matthew- | hendry: yeah, 30mins | 14:54 |
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| alterego | i think I know what's been bugging me about the N900 software. It's no where near as customisable (the apps) as the N810 software or the symbian counter parts. the maps application is just one example. everything seems pretty limited. | 14:56 |
| igagis_ | hi | 14:56 |
| alterego | though, I still think it's the tits compared to anything else out there | 14:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | alterego, Ovi Maps should be dismissed from your thought processes immediately. | 14:56 |
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| alterego | yeah, you're probably right | 14:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, Maemo isn't about the built-in stuff. ;) | 14:57 |
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| alterego | i'm gonna code a ome widget that shows gps status this evening. | 14:57 |
| * igagis_ have recently uploaded Theremin package for N900 to extras-devel and cannot promote it to extras testing | 14:57 | |
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| alterego | anyhow, shower time. | 14:58 |
| pupnik_ | igagis_: where is the procedure you followed? what went wrong? | 14:58 |
| igagis_ | can someone tell me if they can install this http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/theremin/1.7.1-3/ ? | 14:58 |
| igagis_ | pupnik_, look at the link | 14:58 |
| igagis_ | pupnik_, it says there is a missing dependency | 14:59 |
| pupnik_ | that is showing up in other packages | 14:59 |
| igagis_ | pupnik_, but I dont know why is it missing, autobuilder put incorrect version of the lib or what? | 14:59 |
| igagis_ | pupnik_, so, how can I workaround this? any ideas? | 15:00 |
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| pupnik_ | installs without problems here | 15:01 |
| igagis_ | pupnik_, that's good, thanks! | 15:01 |
| igagis_ | I want to promote it to extras-testing, but cant due to this missing dependency, it looks like it is not really missing, but fremantale package interface thinks it is | 15:02 |
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| igagis_ | :( | 15:03 |
| pupnik_ | not sure how to help. i just heard that another package had same issue | 15:03 |
| igagis_ | pupnik_, ok, thanks anyway | 15:04 |
| pupnik_ | meanwhile, theremin has dropouts and distorts on glissando. and it could use accelerometers :) | 15:04 |
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| pupnik_ | but nice job! | 15:04 |
| igagis_ | pupnik_, yeah, I also think about accelerometers | 15:04 |
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| igagis_ | pupnik_, what is glissando? | 15:05 |
| pupnik_ | sliding from one note to the next | 15:05 |
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| igagis_ | pupnik_, ah, yes, I think it is because mouse move events come not frequent enough, on N810 it was better | 15:05 |
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| igagis_ | pupnik_, just in case you are interested, now Space button toggles fulscreen mode, backspace button goes to previous screen | 15:06 |
| hendry | timeless_mbp: finally! i see openssh after updating :D only slowed down dev by a couple of hours :) | 15:06 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 15:07 |
| igagis_ | it just a quick workaround for N900 I did yesterday | 15:07 |
| timeless_mbp | when's my telco? (in relative time?) | 15:07 |
| timeless_mbp | btw, did you install my package? | 15:07 |
| hendry | timeless_mbp: will do shortly ... | 15:07 |
| pupnik_ | the distortion is kind of analogue-sounding use keyboard and slide from low to high quickly | 15:07 |
| pupnik_ | very interesting use of cairo etc | 15:08 |
| Corsac | timeless_mbp: hmhm, sorry to bother, I seem to recall there was a browser keyboard shortcut to auto-adjust font size to fit the screen, did I dram? | 15:08 |
| Corsac | dream | 15:08 |
| hendry | is there some tool recommended showing the IP on the home screen? | 15:08 |
| timeless_mbp | i believe that's a dream | 15:08 |
| ifreq | homeip | 15:08 |
| red | should theremin be generating sound? | 15:08 |
| red | dont hear anything :p | 15:08 |
| igagis_ | pupnik_, ok, thank you very much! | 15:08 |
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| igagis_ | red, yes, it should | 15:08 |
| red | the older version didn't and the update neither | 15:09 |
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| red | keyboard mode on updated version however does | 15:09 |
| hendry | ifreq: what's the package name? I can't find it | 15:09 |
| igagis_ | red, try tuning with left right keys | 15:09 |
| igagis_ | red it may help | 15:09 |
| red | kk | 15:09 |
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| rohitcw | hi | 15:10 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 15:10 | |
| timeless_mbp | parsing input is such a pain in the neck | 15:10 |
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| ifreq | hendry: sorry its under extras-devel | 15:11 |
| red | got it to work, funny =) | 15:14 |
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| igagis_ | red, :) | 15:14 |
| red | would be cool to get an app to XZY filter with touchpad an ongoing signal | 15:14 |
| red | and getting to pick from variety of lowpass, highpass, bandpass, bandstop et | 15:14 |
| red | etc. | 15:14 |
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| pupnik_ | rubberduck / 303 / 808 / 909 go | 15:15 |
| igagis_ | red, :) you want to turn N900 to audio studio ;) | 15:15 |
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| matthew- | UPDATE: Ok, i just opened a new blog on @gmail.com ; and this works. So it seems that there is lack of support for other mails when connected with blogger... Shame. | 15:15 |
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| red | amusing, the most "digged" story on for past 365 days is "Michael Jackson Dies" | 15:16 |
| red | on digg.com that is | 15:16 |
| matthew- | ;-) | 15:16 |
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| bigbrovar | Hi guys am writting a piece on how network proxy support should be improved with core and 3rd party apps in maemo 5 and I would like to know how maemo annouces its systemwide proxy settings to applications | 15:19 |
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| adeus | libconic? | 15:20 |
| bigbrovar | I observed that maemo happen to be the worst proxy support of any OS I have tried. only about 20% of core applications work with proxy and almost 99% of 3rd part applications dont. | 15:21 |
| bigbrovar | this is a far cry from what obtains in gnome, kde, mac, windows, or even symbian | 15:21 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | bigbrovar: I didn't find Ubuntu proxy support much better, but that was 8.x I think | 15:22 |
| bigbrovar | Gadgetoid_iMac: its much more better | 15:22 |
| ifreq | ppl use proxies these days? work related or? | 15:22 |
| adeus | kopete still lacks proxy support | 15:23 |
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| adeus | yeah at work | 15:23 |
| bigbrovar | Gadgetoid_iMac: I use ubuntu (which is based on gnome) almost all gtk/gnome applications work with the systemwide proxy .. | 15:23 |
| bigbrovar | Gadgetoid_iMac: the only app which doesnt work with proxy on gnome is empathy and gwibber, this is a known bug (the gwibber issue as the fixed not sure about the empathy issue which affect telepathy framework) | 15:24 |
| bigbrovar | Gadgetoid_iMac: and on kde the situation is same.. every kde app work with KIO settings | 15:25 |
| adeus | except kopete that I just mentioned :P | 15:25 |
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| bigbrovar | adeus: yeah the kopete issue is well known. Its one of the oldest bugs in free desktop history, wrote the developers mailing list about it. and from the response i got I dont see it being fixed anytime soon | 15:26 |
| adeus | I actuallu partially fixed it once | 15:27 |
| adeus | but then kde did something massive to the repos and I gave up as kdelibs didn't compile | 15:27 |
| adeus | it's kinda interesting that/if n900 doesn't have good proxy support | 15:29 |
| adeus | knowing that all nokia devs are behind one | 15:29 |
| rohitcw | i have problem in compiling gtk+ with hildon | 15:29 |
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| pupnik | " | 15:43 |
| pupnik | "I'm not a programmer. But, I didn't come to this realization easily." - TimSamoff <- wise man | 15:43 |
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| koala_man | haha | 15:45 |
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| w00t | anyone here played with pyside? I'm having severe difficulty getting QtGui to act in a sane manner on my n900 | 15:53 |
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| lizardo | w00t: can you join us in #pyside ? | 15:54 |
| w00t | I certainly can | 15:54 |
| lizardo | w00t: there are some more PySide core developers there :) | 15:54 |
| lizardo | (not sure if everyone there is here too) | 15:54 |
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| lupine_85 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8362 = boooo | 16:09 |
| povbot` | Bug 8362: Some combination of Maemo 5 + Nokia N900 results in improper onChange callbacks in the maemo browser | 16:09 |
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| villager | I wonder if I should try to port flightgear to n900 one of these days | 16:12 |
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| odin_ | yes what is the OpenGL library on N900 ? | 16:12 |
| villager | Imagination GL/ES2 or something? | 16:13 |
| odin_ | so the API for that is package up into ? Mesa? | 16:14 |
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| odin_ | ah glade exists... /usr/lib/libEGL.so /usr/lib/libGLESv2.so | 16:15 |
| villager | I think it's proprietary, not mesa | 16:16 |
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| pupnik | now do a sample proggie that shows how to use opengl2.0 -> opengl ES 2.0 wrapper | 16:16 |
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| odin_ | there is a /usr/lib/libQtOpenGL.so.4.5.3 as well | 16:17 |
| fragment | libGLES.so is available too | 16:19 |
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| villager | well, current flightgear uses openscenegraph for rendering, and it looks like openscenegraph dev version can use opengl ES directly without wrapper | 16:21 |
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| uhsf | I'm starting to receive accessories now newegg.ca better hurry up with my N900 | 16:27 |
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| LuciusMare | may i present you my... | 16:42 |
| LuciusMare | timelapse.py ! | 16:42 |
| LuciusMare | http://timelapse.pastebin.com/m36bac178 | 16:42 |
| LuciusMare | if anyone likes timelapse photos, feel free to use my script | 16:43 |
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| tybollt | timelapse? | 16:44 |
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| tybollt | oh | 16:44 |
| tybollt | heh | 16:44 |
| LuciusMare | its kinda useful,actually | 16:45 |
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| LuciusMare | at least i didnt get bored at school, one wouldnt believe how many things can you do with such a program | 16:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | LuciusMare: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=481097#post481097 - also. | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | LuciusMare: there are numbers of things you might do to improve images taken in the dark. | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - dark frame subtraction. | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Of course - jpeg will screw you | 16:47 |
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| LuciusMare | Feel free to edit it | 16:48 |
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| LuciusMare | i didnt actually "invent" the gstreamer line by myself | 16:48 |
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| LuciusMare | i just copypasted it from the perl script, if you think you have better way to take pictures in dark, feel free to edit it | 16:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | Nop - I was meaning if you were thinking of dfeatures to add | 16:49 |
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| LuciusMare | SpeedEvil: when we're talking about features, the rewriting in python was just because of PIL, i thought it will be nice to have a timestamp | 16:50 |
| LuciusMare | never got to it, though | 16:50 |
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| w00t | ImportError: /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.5/PySide/QtMaemo5.so: undefined symbol: _ZTI22QMaemo5KineticScroller | 16:53 |
| w00t | oh this doesn't look fun | 16:53 |
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| pupnik | Could any python friends (fiends) look-into Jokosher http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41692 | 16:54 |
| pekuja | you want a recording studio in your pocket? | 16:56 |
| pupnik | actually a simple multitracker would be preferable, to sketch ideas | 16:57 |
| SpeedEvil | 'Is that a recording studio in your pocket, or are you just pleased to see me' | 16:57 |
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| Elleo | pupnik: I've got jokosher running under maemo, and making a small screen friendly interface is on my todo list | 16:59 |
| Elleo | but so are lots of other things ;) | 16:59 |
| pupnik | woot | 16:59 |
| LuciusMare | pupnik: i believe you meant to highlight w00t | 17:00 |
| w00t | :-/ | 17:01 |
| Elleo | heh | 17:01 |
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| pupnik | Elleo: have you looked at any other editor/sequencer stuff? | 17:03 |
| Elleo | nope | 17:03 |
| Elleo | well, other than as a user | 17:03 |
| Elleo | but I'm a jokosher dev so naturally that's my focus | 17:04 |
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| hrw | morning | 17:04 |
| lizardo | w00t: I think it is because the current packages where installed with an older qt snapshot | 17:04 |
| lizardo | w00t: I should warn you that qt was a technology preview and just now has reached beta quality | 17:05 |
| w00t | lizardo: yes, I know this of course | 17:05 |
| lizardo | w00t: the 4.6 version, I mean | 17:05 |
| w00t | I'm fully prepared to be burned by this | 17:05 |
| lizardo | w00t: so I think we need to rebuild PySide against the latest version | 17:05 |
| w00t | I'm just interested in helping make it better as I go through the process | 17:05 |
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| w00t | lizardo: I took it to #pyside anyway, mairas is telling me to yell elsewhere | 17:06 |
| lizardo | w00t: sure, keep reports coming :) but better on #pyside so reports don't get lost | 17:06 |
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| Hukka | What does skype availability of green dot with white exclamation mark on n900 mean? | 17:06 |
| tekojo | Hukka problem connecting to one or more accounts | 17:07 |
| tekojo | Open the accounts to see which one | 17:08 |
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| Hukka | It went already away, I noticed it when I was switching from 3g to wifi | 17:08 |
| Hukka | I wonder if my operator blocks skype... | 17:08 |
| kuriiri | Hukka: which operator? | 17:09 |
| Hukka | Saunalahti | 17:09 |
| Hukka | It has worked before, though | 17:09 |
| Hukka | I'll try again with 3g | 17:09 |
| kuriiri | yeah do that | 17:09 |
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| pv2b | is there a handy little utility for the n900 which will dump useful information about GSM status? such as signal strength, current operator, imsi, that kind of stuff. or - failing that - is there some kind of API to get these kinds of things? | 17:10 |
| Hukka | No, it's ok | 17:10 |
| Hukka | Hmh. Must've been a temporary glitch | 17:10 |
| kuriiri | yeah, thought so :) | 17:10 |
| Hukka | Just hadn't seen that symbol before | 17:11 |
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| pupnik | wonderful Elleo ! shall i delete my jokosher post? | 17:14 |
| pupnik | oh nm, you responded | 17:15 |
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| Milo- | I think there is a design flaw in the maemo's package system. Optifying shouldn't be necessary | 17:16 |
| Milo- | it should set install path to /opt/bin /opt/lib and so on | 17:16 |
| Milo- | and extend path variable with /opt/ | 17:16 |
| ifreq | Milo-: yes we know it. | 17:17 |
| ifreq | i dont like optify in any way. | 17:17 |
| Milo- | why is it done so stupidly? | 17:17 |
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| ifreq | dunno, ask ppl who got the idea. | 17:17 |
| Milo- | optify just sounds like a marketing buzzword | 17:17 |
| Milo- | with proper paths and install destinations, there wouldn't be any issues which optifying and those stupid links can cause | 17:18 |
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| LuciusMare | any progress with dropbox on maemo? | 17:18 |
| pekuja | ask the Dropbox people | 17:19 |
| villager | Milo-: no, the word optify was invented by users who needed to work around the n900 partitioning scheme | 17:19 |
| Milo- | but it still sounds like a buzzword | 17:19 |
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| X-Fade | Milo-: No, it is named like that because things needed to be changed to opt, hence opt-ify. | 17:20 |
| villager | so you're trying to pick on innocent users for inventing a word that accidentally sounds like a buzzword? | 17:20 |
| X-Fade | Everybody involved thinks that the issue is ugly. | 17:20 |
| X-Fade | Certainly not marketing :) | 17:21 |
| Milo- | they are not that innocent | 17:21 |
| Milo- | they extended a design flaw | 17:21 |
| Milo- | and 'accidentally' created a word that sounds like a buzzword | 17:22 |
| villager | setting install path to /opt/bin would also have been optifying, fwiw | 17:22 |
| Milo- | you wouldn't need a term for it | 17:22 |
| range | And it does sound better than usrify. | 17:22 |
| Milo- | well, the proper term would be 'common sense' | 17:23 |
| Milo- | let the package manager handle do its thing and let the developers do their thing | 17:23 |
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| LuciusMare | at first i thought optify is from optimalizating | 17:24 |
| villager | well, all you need to do now is take over the word, then everyone can start using your preferred words, and you can make sure they never sound buzzword-y by your subjective standards | 17:24 |
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| Milo- | villager why are you so defensive on this matter? | 17:25 |
| pv2b | if they wanted to make it a buzzword, they'd just have called it "/opt-imizing". | 17:25 |
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| villager | Milo-: I'm not, I'm being offensive here | 17:26 |
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| pupnik | orange juice + cola + water is yummy | 17:28 |
| villager | it is my position that common sense is not a commodity, and anyone who genuinely thinks they have it, don't | 17:29 |
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| villager | (it's not very common either, but someone famous already said that) | 17:31 |
| lopz | hola | 17:31 |
| pekuja | pupnik: sounds weird | 17:32 |
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| Milo- | villager can't find that quote, but either way. my point is that 'optifying' shouldn't exist. | 17:33 |
| Milo- | I know we needed a work around, but we could just as well have fixed the issue | 17:34 |
| Milo- | completely | 17:34 |
| PhonoN900 | is there any solution to pairing and using the igo ultraslim kb with the n900? is anyone trying to address this, or am i the only one using this kb? | 17:34 |
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| Milo- | without caring about partition system | 17:34 |
| Milo- | that's what PATH is for | 17:34 |
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| * w00t has gotten a nonworking prototype of his first real n900 application :P | 17:35 | |
| pv2b | does anybody have access to the garage wiki so far that they can see the source code for a wiki page, and can somehow unmangle the example shell script at https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?Tools&id=1106&type=g ? | 17:36 |
| w00t | (not bad considering I haven't used python in some months, and pyside ..ever) | 17:36 |
| pv2b | (somebody thought it would have been an awesome idea to paste a useful shell script into the wiki and then not check how the wiki markup would completely mangle it) | 17:36 |
| odin_ | jobs | 17:36 |
| odin_ | ls -ltr | 17:36 |
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| pupnik | pv2b: the nature of wiki is being able to edit it yourself | 17:37 |
| pv2b | pupnik: i thought so too. i made an account, but i don't see anywhere i can edit it. | 17:38 |
| pv2b | except a friendly red text that says "read only" | 17:38 |
| ivan4th | interesting observation: if I plug N900 into USB port and skip usb connection dialog (leave it in 'charge only') state, N900 seems to be charging slower and also becomes rather hot, even when there are no CPU eating processes. No such problem if PC Suite mode is selected... | 17:38 |
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| tybollt | PhonoN900: hmm I have the logitech dinovo min keyboard... I wonder the same thing about that | 17:38 |
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| X-Fade | pv2b: I seem to have edit rights. | 17:38 |
| X-Fade | pv2b: I'll pastebin the page. | 17:39 |
| pv2b | x-fade: great. thanks. :) | 17:39 |
| X-Fade | http://maemo.pastebin.com/m5def537e | 17:39 |
| pv2b | much better. | 17:40 |
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| PhonoN900 | tybolt: at least i'm not the only one. this device is dying for a bluetooth kb. my n900 is sitting on the kb's stand, and i'm pecking away on my virtual kb... it's just a little silly to look at my tablet sitting on my closed and useless kb | 17:43 |
| Zeddy | is there a maemo qt development channel or do i just have to jump between maemo and qt chans ? :P | 17:44 |
| tybollt | PhonoN900: anyway did you try bluemaemo? | 17:45 |
| red | bluemaemo for me didn't work | 17:46 |
| red | tried to pair up it to my pc for like 2 hours without much luck (windows 7) | 17:46 |
| red | either it didnt want to pair, or it paired, or my pc didnt recognzie it as a mouse/keyb | 17:46 |
| red | when it finally worked, it couldnt reconnect x) | 17:46 |
| mikhas | hm, I posted screenies to t.m.o, and the source was a website with self-signed certificates. so usually the n900's microb displays "secure connection failed" but in that case it didnt ... it simply wouldnt show the screenies at all. is that a bug with t.m.o then? the way it embeds images? | 17:47 |
| Zeddy | is there something like QSelectListDialog ? :) | 17:47 |
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| PhonoN900 | tybollt: it didn't occur to me to try that... | 17:50 |
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| PhonoN900 | well, i got it paired for the first time using blue maemo (so thanks for the suggestion), but the keyboard is not interacting with the device | 17:58 |
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| Arkenoi | quite strange: my "self-made" ussd widget (ussdquery.py|grep to command execution widget) works way better than purpose-made "ussd widget" | 17:59 |
| timeless_mbp | Milo-: you make it sound like optify was something that was planned long in advance | 18:01 |
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| Milo- | timeless_mbp no, optifying wasn't planned at all | 18:02 |
| timeless_mbp | Milo-: optify was not designed long in advance. it was an emergency measure when people realized there was a problem | 18:02 |
| Milo- | which is the problem | 18:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | Milo-: users are problems | 18:02 |
| timeless_mbp | we have too many of them | 18:02 |
| timeless_mbp | they want too much software | 18:02 |
| Milo- | users that don't think, are the problem | 18:02 |
| timeless_mbp | success is definitely a problem | 18:02 |
| Milo- | heh | 18:02 |
| timeless_mbp | life was simpler before success | 18:02 |
| timeless_mbp | roughly speaking, apt does not really support prefix in any useful way | 18:03 |
| Meizirkki | AI fails | 18:03 |
| Meizirkki | https://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/info.htm They say Maemo is on it's way | 18:03 |
| timeless_mbp | at least, i've never seen any sign of it supporting such a thing | 18:03 |
| wazd | konttori_nokia: around? :) | 18:03 |
| Milo- | if the _users_ who made the emergency solution, would have spent few minutes thinking before implementing the first hackish solution that comes into mind | 18:03 |
| timeless_mbp | Milo-: um | 18:03 |
| timeless_mbp | do some research | 18:04 |
| Milo- | no | 18:04 |
| Milo- | :( | 18:04 |
| timeless_mbp | it was discussed for more than 2 minutes | 18:04 |
| Milo- | ah, 3 it is | 18:04 |
| timeless_mbp | grr | 18:04 |
| timeless_mbp | go away. | 18:04 |
| Milo- | I know what you mean | 18:04 |
| Milo- | just messing with your head, don't be so serious | 18:04 |
| t_s_o | heh, free maps on nokia phones. now how about a backport to maemo4, as a parting gift? | 18:04 |
| timeless_mbp | t_s_o: very funny | 18:05 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd settle for a forward port for maemo5 | 18:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | since the version of maps we have is afaiu not the same as the one in s60 | 18:05 |
| PhonoN900 | exactly | 18:05 |
| Milo- | yeah | 18:05 |
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| AndrewFBlack | Anything wrong with garage that would keep my themes for building right last few days | 18:05 |
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| t_s_o | Meizirkki: they have probably confused maemo and mer. Or it could be that they are pulling a chinese oem... | 18:06 |
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| RST38h | Something is wrong. | 18:07 |
| RST38h | I cannot have that much karma. WTF happened? | 18:07 |
| Zeddy | ok people i get an error complaining that i cant set a QDialog as the parent for a QListWidget since the new parent is in a different thread | 18:08 |
| Zeddy | what should i be doing.. :p | 18:08 |
| Milo- | timeless_mbp did old maemo-devices have the optify issue, I promise not to joke around this time | 18:08 |
| RST38h | Zeddy: Use single thread for all the UI? | 18:08 |
| timeless_mbp | Milo-: old devices didn't have secondary extN storage | 18:08 |
| Milo- | okay | 18:09 |
| Meizirkki | t_s_o, Lets see if they reinvent Mer by compiling Maemo platform to OE or something... | 18:09 |
| timeless_mbp | so, it's more like 'they had no solution to the fact they were perennially low on disk space' | 18:09 |
| Zeddy | RST38h, well i havent told it to use a new thread for the dialog | 18:09 |
| Zeddy | apprently it does that by default, and i have no idea how i change that :P | 18:09 |
| * GeneralAntilles wonders if that March 2010 deadlines applies to Maemo. | 18:09 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I really hope somebody kicks the Ovi Maps devs into shape. | 18:09 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: from speaking to a guy yesterday | 18:10 |
| timeless_mbp | i highly doubt it does | 18:10 |
| RST38h | Zeddy: Make it modal maybe? | 18:10 |
| Milo- | timeless_mbp well the obvious alternative would have been to fix apt to support custom install paths | 18:11 |
| timeless_mbp | "obvious" | 18:11 |
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| Zeddy | Do you know how i can do that? | 18:11 |
| timeless_mbp | requiring how many engineers / engineering months + testing? | 18:11 |
| timeless_mbp | and how do you decide when something goes to /opt and when it doesn't? | 18:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, "focused" on bringing it to the next device. | 18:11 |
| timeless_mbp | the "obvious" solution is unionfs | 18:11 |
| Zeddy | holy crap! | 18:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, N900 users are screwed again! | 18:11 |
| Zeddy | i got it working | 18:11 |
| timeless_mbp | which is not stable | 18:11 |
| * tybollt 's got a beer for the one kicking the ovi maps team into shape :) | 18:11 | |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: eh? | 18:12 |
| Milo- | timeless_mbp optifying is okay, but since there are lots of packages in the devel section that aren't optified or hardly maintained at all | 18:12 |
| timeless_mbp | Milo-: those shouldn't be promoted to testing/extras | 18:12 |
| Zeddy | yeah, if Nokia leaves n900 users hanging im going back to symbian :p | 18:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, "N900 owners shouldn't hold their breath, though, as Nokia is focusing on bringing its free navigation service to the next generation of Maemo devices. That's not to say that the N900 won't get it eventually, only that it's not currently on the roadmap. " | 18:12 |
| timeless_mbp | urlme? | 18:12 |
| Milo- | timeless_mbp yes, and they won't | 18:12 |
| * GeneralAntilles finds the capacitive insanity . . . insane. | 18:12 | |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/nokia-offering-free-turn-by-turn-navigation-on-smartphones-globa/ | 18:12 |
| Zeddy | will maemo 6 work on n900 | 18:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Zeddy, not officially. | 18:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because Nokia really hates its currently installed users. | 18:13 |
| timeless_mbp | Zeddy: maemo6 might be available in 2030 :) | 18:13 |
| timeless_mbp | you're free to wait for the cows to come home | 18:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're only interested in NEW users or conning their existing users into upgrading. | 18:13 |
| Zeddy | :p | 18:13 |
| Zeddy | yeah, thats pretty sad | 18:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Capacitive my ass. | 18:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh | 18:14 |
| timeless_mbp | btw | 18:14 |
| timeless_mbp | i really hate it when people talk about Nokia as a monolithic monster | 18:14 |
| Zeddy | :D well i prefer resistive, i guess its because i dont like making phone calls on an iphone in -25 degrees celsius | 18:14 |
| timeless_mbp | the monster in question is Gate5/Berlin | 18:14 |
| hrw | hi | 18:14 |
| hrw | what goes? | 18:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | Zeddy: i don't enjoy making them at -5..-15 either | 18:15 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: gate.-..what? | 18:15 |
| odin_ | well time will tell on the above | 18:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | I have a feeling I'm going to have to find a different manufacturer after Maemo 6. | 18:15 |
| tybollt | and yeah screwing the users of the HIGHEND product over wrt ovi maps is ... bit criminal | 18:15 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: I do not talk about Nokia. I am talking about nokia | 18:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | tybollt: have you tried Maep? | 18:16 |
| odin_ | GeneralAntilles, yes I hope for another brand to clone the basic architecture into a phone package, then maemo forks to a more generic platform (which Nokia can if they wish be involved in) | 18:16 |
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| tybollt | timeless_mbp: They are the one making it? | 18:16 |
| tybollt | ones | 18:16 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: google. | 18:16 |
| tybollt | meh | 18:17 |
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| tybollt | <-- lost interest right there :P | 18:17 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, i'm quite happy w/ Maep | 18:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | and if Maemo Mapper worked, i'd consider it | 18:17 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: would you prefer "bing it"? | 18:17 |
| Corsac | yeah, maep is nice | 18:17 |
| Corsac | I like its simplicity | 18:18 |
| timeless_mbp | Maep is very shiny | 18:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | odin_, the capacitive announcement was like a punch in the gut for me. | 18:18 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: Please do not make me vomit, Sir. | 18:18 |
| Corsac | I miss a way to disable gps but besides that it's really shiny | 18:18 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: well, you objected to google | 18:18 |
| Corsac | (though there's still a need for a more complete solution, like Mapper or Maemo Mapper0 | 18:18 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: I am googling it and frankly - does it offer tturn by turn? | 18:18 |
| timeless_mbp | i just had to ensure you weren't boycotting on behalf of china | 18:18 |
| odin_ | ping Stskeeps | 18:18 |
| Corsac | (or ovi maps, for that matter) | 18:18 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: which, Gate5 or Maep? | 18:19 |
| timeless_mbp | Gate5 = Ovi Maps | 18:19 |
| tybollt | maep | 18:19 |
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| Corsac | turn by turn in a map application? | 18:19 |
| tybollt | heh | 18:19 |
| timeless_mbp | Maep atm is afaict just a Map | 18:19 |
| timeless_mbp | but it's shiny | 18:19 |
| tybollt | I see | 18:19 |
| timeless_mbp | and finger friendly | 18:19 |
| timeless_mbp | and it could get directions/navigation right | 18:19 |
| timeless_mbp | since its initial point isn't broken | 18:20 |
| timeless_mbp | whereas Ovi Maps has a broken starting point | 18:20 |
| xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: nokia has an internal irc server, right? | 18:20 |
| xorAxAx | sounds cool to have companies using irc | 18:20 |
| pupnik | "Now, finally, let's talk about this handset's real treat, its crown jewel: the glorious browser." congrats timeless_mbp | 18:20 |
| * AndrewFBlack is still pissed he has a subscription to N810 GPS for 2 more years | 18:20 | |
| tybollt | got to say I'm very happy w/ microb | 18:20 |
| SpeedEvil | maep cannot get - on its own - routes - as it merely has tiles | 18:21 |
| tybollt | now idea what kind of black magic/ goat sacrifice nokia engaged in to make it that speedy >:) | 18:21 |
| pupnik | "To say we were blown away by the N900's raw browsing power would be an understatement -- in fact, we could realistically see carrying it in addition to another phone for browsing alone, because even in areas where it gives a little ground to the iPhone or Pre in usability, it smacks everyone down in raw power and compatibility." | 18:21 |
| tybollt | no* | 18:21 |
| timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: i wouldn't know or couldn't comment | 18:21 |
| timeless_mbp | i certainly don't use any such thing | 18:22 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.tangogps.org/gps/articles/34-tangoGPS-0.99.1-lots-of-layout-love.html | 18:22 |
| timeless_mbp | pupnik: yeah, the top of the browser team sent that link to us all | 18:22 |
| timeless_mbp | we're very very proud | 18:22 |
| * lupine_85 gets impressed by the response to maemo bugs | 18:22 | |
| SpeedEvil | there are alternatives that provide online routes as graphics | 18:22 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: btw, did you install maemo-geolocation? | 18:22 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: so you guys are basically laughing att he fennec people - or? :) | 18:23 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: no | 18:23 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: I did - yes, why? | 18:23 |
| timeless_mbp | we just sit here and cry | 18:23 |
| tybollt | why? | 18:23 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: well, you can use it w/ google maps | 18:23 |
| tybollt | roger that | 18:23 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: well, i got an email asking about MicroB support for Weave | 18:23 |
| tybollt | ugh ok | 18:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | in reality, it isn't impossible | 18:25 |
| timeless_mbp | it just isn't an efficient path forward | 18:25 |
| timeless_mbp | porting component after component to a platform | 18:25 |
| timeless_mbp | does not a shiny platform make | 18:25 |
| lupine_85 | well. at least fennec has a compliance ;) | 18:25 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 18:25 |
| * lupine_85 wonders if timeless_mbp is the same timeless as hit his bugreport | 18:25 | |
| w00t | i'd have thought that embracing fennec would make sense | 18:25 |
| lupine_85 | 8362...? | 18:26 |
| timeless_mbp | lupine_85: i'm timeless , yes | 18:26 |
| timeless_mbp | _mbp = macbook pro | 18:26 |
| tybollt | ah a jesus computer | 18:26 |
| timeless_mbp | you mean one that works? | 18:26 |
| bfree | Milo-: you can't just install to an alternate path for most things, they need to be compiled for the alternate path. so "fixing" apt isn't an option (and imvho forking apt is a really bad idea). options where you don't recompile include: binary patching (very ugly), unionfs or aufs2 (not in mainline kernel and never will be), dev-mapper (requires a partition or large loop file), name-space mounts (not ready yet) or just mount some more dirs for | 18:26 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: granted the right OS - most HW will work ;-P | 18:26 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: builder failed to build marina :( | 18:27 |
| tybollt | nownow, no religious wars here, pleasE? :) | 18:27 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: sure, but i'm more interested in the hardware | 18:27 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: in the _shiny_ hardware, yeah? :P | 18:27 |
| timeless_mbp | i use Indiana, w7, and Mer on here too | 18:27 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: oh yeah, _shiny_, good point | 18:27 |
| tybollt | I'd tell you I fancy a Thinkpad any day of the week - then that was prior to getting an N900... I'll have to reconsider wich one I fancy the most right now :) | 18:29 |
| odin_ | GeneralAntilles, why should the "capacitive" announcement cause major problems, I'd like to see a number of maemo based products now pitching to different markets | 18:31 |
| lupine_85 | timeless_mbp: cool :) | 18:31 |
| luke-jr | bfree: last I checked, NIT already have a forked apt :p | 18:31 |
| AndrewFBlack | any ETA on when Garage will be fixed? | 18:31 |
| * lupine_85 will probably continue using fennec on his N900 since it's installed now, at any rate | 18:31 | |
| * GeneralAntilles 's new troll prediction: March 2010 brings N920 with Maemo "6" (actually only Fremantle PR1.2 with an additional patch to make all touchscreen operations require two fingers), Ovi Maps with voice navigation, full portrait support, MMS, and a kitchen sink. Available for only $299 or $899 for existing N900 owners. | 18:31 | |
| GeneralAntilles | odin_, because it means no Maemo 6 on the N900. | 18:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | odin_, because Maemo 6 "requires" multitouch. | 18:32 |
| lupine_85 | well, if it makes me dip into swap constantly, I'll dump it | 18:32 |
| t_s_o | GeneralAntilles: ouch ;) | 18:32 |
| Milo- | bfree you don't define an absolute installation path with Makefiles ._· | 18:32 |
| TomaszD | zaheerm, I've enhanced the troubleshooting guide, if you have any suggestions then tell me http://code.google.com/p/extra-decoders-support-for-n900/wiki/Troubleshooting | 18:32 |
| lupine_85 | GeneralAntilles: meh. It'll be portable :) | 18:32 |
| zaheerm | TomaszD, thx | 18:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, and the next DDP program will bring the device's price down to $99, but is bundled with an Ovi Store contract which brings it up to $1299. | 18:33 |
| luke-jr | Milo-: usually you do, or autoconf, or whatever build system | 18:33 |
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| Zeddy | wtf, ok somebody tell me QMaemoInternetConnectivity has recieved an error | 18:33 |
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| odin_ | anyone know how to get the crash-reporter to give me access to the core dumps created... the documentation says the dir /home/user/MyDocs/core-dumps/ should have a dir per crash thing | 18:33 |
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| luke-jr | Milo-: regardless, absolute paths are often hard-coded into binaries | 18:33 |
| red | GeneralAntilles: rofl at the prediction | 18:33 |
| red | Btw, anyone know where the hell I can disable the graphic smilies? | 18:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | red, you wont be laughing when it pans out. :P | 18:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | red, don't think there's a way. | 18:34 |
| red | GeneralAntilles: I will be, maniacly cackling. | 18:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or, rather, nobody's figured it out yet. | 18:34 |
| red | Jeesh | 18:34 |
| red | Thats kinda ultimately gay | 18:34 |
| Milo- | only should effect the relative paths to those files that are needed by the application | 18:34 |
| odin_ | also does Nokia produce a "-dbg" repository of all the OS stuff, like http://debug.debian.net/debian/ does ? | 18:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | red, I like how it ignores your "Insert automatically after completed words" setting, too. | 18:34 |
| red | could it be possible to find the graphics and substitute them with images with text-based smilies? :) | 18:35 |
| Milo- | you need to be able to run make everywhere where you happen to have the code, make install should only place the binary and data files to where they belong | 18:35 |
| red | what ignores? | 18:35 |
| timeless_mbp | TomaszD: iirc i couldn't get that to install | 18:35 |
| timeless_mbp | if you have time | 18:35 |
| red | I just disabled the dictionary alltogether | 18:35 |
| red | The way it functioned and seeing the WONTFIX made it a winner choice. | 18:36 |
| odin_ | is there a time target for making a release (like 2.2009.51-1) and then all the souce being available in the source repo? | 18:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | red, the smilies. | 18:36 |
| pupnik | tybollt: now that i can quickly launch links from IRC, my thinkpad hasn't been touched since november | 18:36 |
| TomaszD | timeless_mbp, sure | 18:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | red, there's a space inserted after the smilie whether you've checked that box or not. | 18:36 |
| timeless_mbp | Milo-: linkers generally hard code absolute paths to dynamic libraries | 18:36 |
| red | GeneralAntilles: not for me :o | 18:36 |
| timeless_mbp | it's a fairly standard linuxism | 18:36 |
| red | ill doublecheck | 18:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | red, oh? Interesting. | 18:36 |
| timeless_mbp | osx introduced @dyn_path@ or things | 18:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Not disableable AND inconsistently buggy. | 18:37 |
| red | there is, it was so small i hadnt noticed | 18:37 |
| timeless_mbp | but it's not really common otherwise to have portable applications in unix | 18:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | red, ah. | 18:37 |
| Milo- | timeless_mbp those, yes | 18:37 |
| red | on the other hand, havent seen such option either? | 18:37 |
| red | just looking at text input | 18:37 |
| pupnik | GeneralAntilles: btw would capacitive be so awful? | 18:37 |
| Milo- | but you are not changing the location of those, are you? | 18:37 |
| tybollt | pupnik: it would, yes | 18:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, yes. | 18:37 |
| pupnik | i like the precise clicking | 18:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, I'm VERY used to resistive. | 18:38 |
| pupnik | on the resistive | 18:38 |
| red | pupnik: glass hybrid screen ty | 18:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, whenever I try to use a capacitive device I always try to use my nails. | 18:38 |
| red | I'm a resistive fan aswell tbh | 18:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, and it fscking pisses me off. | 18:38 |
| red | And imo small links did not bother me on iPhone | 18:38 |
| pupnik | clicking with nails is the way to go for browsing normal sites | 18:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, besides the fact that fat-fingering everything at 266ppi is an excellent way to kill an advantage gained from the high ppi. | 18:38 |
| tybollt | pupnik: capacitive means you lose the ability to use a pen - realisticly it means you will have to do zooming ALL THE TIME to be able to click on small items... | 18:38 |
| SpeedEvil | SAW++ | 18:38 |
| tybollt | pupnik: that will S U C K : | 18:38 |
| tybollt | :) | 18:38 |
| * lupine_85 <3s stylus | 18:39 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I want MyPaint for Fremantle. | 18:39 |
| red | tybollt: that would not be a problem if zooming worked well | 18:39 |
| pupnik | mypaint works fine here. | 18:39 |
| tybollt | red: fuck yeah it will | 18:39 |
| red | double tap \ pinching works wonderfully | 18:39 |
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| tybollt | red: ZOOMING ITSELF is the problem :) | 18:39 |
| red | yeh on the n900 since its shit | 18:39 |
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| tybollt | I dont want to zoom | 18:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, more specifically, I want somebody to implement your mockup. | 18:39 |
| red | but not on some other devices I've used :p | 18:39 |
| tybollt | shouldn't have to zoom, | 18:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thinking about what, exactly, Nokia's implementing with multitouch that will make Maemo 6 _REQUIRE_ it gives me nightmares. | 18:39 |
| red | and I rarely had to really zoom to be able to click something | 18:40 |
| tybollt | I am using n900 - not iphone | 18:40 |
| red | sometimes I would however double tap next to it to not have to aim that hard | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | "No, we're not going to ship both a resistive and a capacitive device to appeal to more people." | 18:40 |
| red | and the zoom would just reset upon loading the link | 18:40 |
| pupnik | i agree with red, GeneralAntilles and tybollt -- maybe we can get some revolutionary anti-capacitive graphics with che and red/white/black colors | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Let's just alienate all of our existing customers . . . again." | 18:40 |
| red | rofl | 18:40 |
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| pupnik | "fat-fingering everything at 266ppi is an excellent way to kill an advantage" <<< | 18:41 |
| red | opinions are like assholes | 18:41 |
| tybollt | brown and hairy | 18:41 |
| tybollt | ? | 18:41 |
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| pupnik | GeneralAntilles is always right. I got used to it. | 18:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | red, yes, mine is clearly more important than anybody else's. | 18:42 |
| red | tybollt: everyone has one :) | 18:42 |
| red | or | 18:42 |
| tybollt | red: I know, I was just being an asshole (pun intended) :) | 18:43 |
| red | "it's a matter of taste, said the dog, while licking his balls" | 18:43 |
| red | har har :p | 18:43 |
| Zeddy | Wtf | 18:43 |
| TomaszD | X-Fade, around? I have a problem with the autopromoter :( | 18:43 |
| Zeddy | my vmware ubuntu just decided not to let me surf with it | 18:43 |
| Zeddy | wierd, i can ping google.com | 18:43 |
| Zeddy | but no access it with the browser.. >-< | 18:43 |
| red | Zeddy: behind a NAT? | 18:44 |
| Zeddy | not to talk about my maemo app not being able to retrieve xml from the net from within scratchbox | 18:44 |
| X-Fade | TomaszD: What's up? | 18:44 |
| Zeddy | well my router acts as a nat | 18:44 |
| TomaszD | X-Fade, gstreamer0.10-plugins-good-extra (= 0.10.15-git180-0maemo8+0m5) | gstreamer0.10-mkv (>= 0.10.16-0maemo3) | 18:44 |
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| X-Fade | TomaszD: Those need to be recompiled. | 18:44 |
| TomaszD | X-Fade, gstreamer0.10-mkv didn't get autopromoted from devel to extras-testing | 18:45 |
| X-Fade | Because it had missing deps? | 18:45 |
| TomaszD | uh | 18:45 |
| TomaszD | zaheerm, ? | 18:45 |
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| Zeddy | red, is it a vmware setting ? | 18:46 |
| TomaszD | X-Fade, no, it has conditional deps actually | 18:46 |
| X-Fade | TomaszD: Hmm no, I see it there? | 18:46 |
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| Zeddy | i think this started after i re-installed wmware | 18:46 |
| X-Fade | TomaszD: Yes, it is not complaining. | 18:46 |
| X-Fade | TomaszD: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/gstreamer0.10-mkv/0.10.16-0maemo3/ | 18:46 |
| TomaszD | timeless_mbp had some issues with this, I thought the autopromoter failed | 18:47 |
| zaheerm | TomaszD, maybe because of the conditional dep | 18:47 |
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| TomaszD | I guess it was just a fluke | 18:47 |
| pupnik | http://pandorapress.net/2010/01/19/ioquake3-meets-omap3/ in case you missed this bit of humour - openpandora is so starved for news, they posted video of the Nokia/Maemo Amsterdam Summit | 18:47 |
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| zaheerm | TomaszD, not sure how to fix this...because of the mess in the packages between pr1.0 and pr1.1 | 18:47 |
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| Wolfie | so, how will the new free nokia maps differ from the one already in n900? | 18:48 |
| zaheerm | TomaszD, not sure why the package name changed either :( | 18:48 |
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| TomaszD | I am thoroughly confused about what is going on | 18:49 |
| TomaszD | I'm not even sure what's wrong here | 18:49 |
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| zaheerm | TomaszD, what happened between pr1.0 and pr1.1 is a whole load of gstreamer packages changed name and contents | 18:50 |
| zaheerm | libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10 in pr1.0 and libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 in pr1.1 | 18:50 |
| zaheerm | for example | 18:50 |
| timeless_mbp | Wolfie: since it's unclear that the announced thing will come to the n900 | 18:50 |
| TomaszD | we have that covered in the mkv package though | 18:51 |
| zaheerm | yes but the red is because it couldn't find the pr1.0 package | 18:51 |
| timeless_mbp | the difference is between "something that runs on symbian" and "something you already have" | 18:51 |
| timeless_mbp | woohoo | 18:51 |
| * timeless_mbp goes to file a bug | 18:51 | |
| * timeless_mbp thanks Maep and MfEfolders | 18:51 | |
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| TomaszD | zaheerm, my only concern is if this is going to be installable once it enters extras | 18:52 |
| timeless_mbp | oh brother | 18:52 |
| * timeless_mbp kicks ham | 18:52 | |
| zaheerm | TomaszD, i think it'll need manual promotion | 18:52 |
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| zaheerm | TomaszD, like you had to do for extras-testing | 18:52 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: so 'Update All' appears for a short period and then goes away | 18:52 |
| TomaszD | well, I know I need to promote manually, I just hope all the dependencies will follow | 18:53 |
| TomaszD | in other words, I hope the autopromoter pulls the conditional dependencies | 18:53 |
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| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: when nothing's available? | 18:54 |
| sp3000 | or >2 or whatever | 18:54 |
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| sp3000 | er, >1 | 18:54 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: after using update all to update whatever was available | 18:54 |
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| TomaszD | timeless_mbp, so what's the status, tried updating, installable now? | 18:55 |
| timeless_mbp | if the first thing you do after update all finishes | 18:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | is tap the title area | 18:55 |
| timeless_mbp | you'll see Update All there for a bit | 18:55 |
| timeless_mbp | TomaszD: which repos do you want me to have enabled? | 18:56 |
| timeless_mbp | and remember i'm still having issues w/ bad-extra | 18:56 |
| sp3000 | or, that | 18:56 |
| sp3000 | oh, evben | 18:56 |
| sp3000 | even, even | 18:56 |
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| TomaszD | this should work with only extras-testing enabled, because I've promoted the decoders-support package, so everything else should have followed automatically | 18:56 |
| TomaszD | zaheerm, if -mkv didn't, maybe you could promote manually or something | 18:56 |
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| zaheerm | mkv it says is in testing | 18:57 |
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| TomaszD | well fine then | 18:57 |
| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: so update all is available while the spinner is running to figure out whether there are updates available | 18:58 |
| timeless_mbp | you sure? | 18:58 |
| * timeless_mbp will need to write some testcases for this junk | 18:58 | |
| sp3000 | well that's what I got | 18:59 |
| an0therb0x | help, nokia n900 flash support has changed after "firmware upgrade" i am getting error at hulu.com "express install not supported on this operating system" | 18:59 |
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| sp3000 | it used to work? | 19:01 |
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| an0therb0x | yeah it did | 19:02 |
| sp3000 | it's possible they're sniffing for particular versions | 19:02 |
| Corsac | uh | 19:02 |
| Corsac | I have a shortcut contact on my home screen, when taping on it I just have a band at bottom which says “osso-abook-home-applet” | 19:03 |
| sp3000 | considering we have some sort of 9 apparently while googling suggests hulu has generally required 10 for some time? | 19:03 |
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| an0therb0x | sp3000: i was certainly able to watch shows on hulu, the only thing i can think of is post firmware upgrade the videos no longer come up... its possible hulu may have change as well | 19:08 |
| an0therb0x | my phone also reboots itself 3 - 4x a day now | 19:08 |
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| * Arkenoi looks at screenshots thread and wonders how people manage to get damn that much free desk space to afford fancy layouts with widgets placed artistically around girl and car photos. i always feel that 4 desktops is not enough. | 19:14 | |
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| w00t | how do applications on maemo generally do 'save'/'cancel' type stuff in dialogs? | 19:15 |
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| w00t | (it's a stacked dialog for reference) | 19:15 |
| w00t | I'm tempted to just have a save and leave the '<' for cancelling | 19:15 |
| w00t | then again.. maybe using a stacked dialog is a mistake in the first place | 19:16 |
| * w00t experiments | 19:16 | |
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| Zeddy | hello.. anyone know how to get internet connectivity to my scratchbox :)? | 19:20 |
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| pupnik | it just started working here | 19:21 |
| cehteh | Zeddy: it has .. but you likely have to configure /etc/resolf.conf | 19:24 |
| cehteh | resolv | 19:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | w00t: i think the browser is probably the only thing w/ save+cancel | 19:31 |
| timeless_mbp | it shouldn't exist elsewhere | 19:32 |
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| w00t | timeless_mbp: no | 19:33 |
| w00t | well, not entirely at least | 19:33 |
| w00t | conversations (for example) has a settings dialog with save | 19:33 |
| w00t | okay, a QDialog does what I want | 19:34 |
| w00t | so that's fine | 19:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh, you meant 'save file' | 19:39 |
| timeless_mbp | err didn't mean 'save file' | 19:39 |
| * timeless_mbp obviously assumed w00t did | 19:39 | |
| w00t | nope | 19:39 |
| w00t | sorry, I wasn't very concise | 19:39 |
| w00t | I didn't even quite know what I wanted myself until I went source diving in witter | 19:40 |
| timeless_mbp | you weren't very _precise_ | 19:40 |
| timeless_mbp | well, you weren't concise either, but that's a different story | 19:40 |
| w00t | :-) | 19:41 |
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| Mousey | good morning internets! | 19:42 |
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| odin_ | has anyone managed to get direct core dumps out of N900 ? can I replace /usr/bin/crash_reporter_daemon with the standard mechanism (or just kill it?) | 19:55 |
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| andres | odin_: likely you just have to redefine /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern | 19:58 |
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| LuciusMare | hi | 19:59 |
| Tenkawa | Anyone working on a ff 3.6 build yet for diablo? | 19:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | I wonder about ff1.5 | 19:59 |
| xorAxAx | i wonder about netscape 3 | 20:00 |
| LuciusMare | kalikiana seems to like cheezburgers | 20:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | I used it for some time on a laptop with 128M of RAM and a 300MHz PII class processor. | 20:00 |
| SpeedEvil | That is of the same order as the n900 | 20:00 |
| SpeedEvil | and it was fine with a couple of dozen tabs open | 20:00 |
| odin_ | andres, thanks, I'd be happy enough if the daemon was emitting dirs in /home/user/MyDocs/core-dumps/ like the documentation at http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/sp-rich-core suggests :) | 20:00 |
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| odin_ | andres, rich-core-extract is not installed on my N900, the dir core-dumps is always empty, maybe I should compare 2 /usr/bin/find runs for new files, but "echo core > /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern" is doing the trick | 20:04 |
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| * andres likes more elaborate patterns ;-) | 20:05 | |
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| odin_ | well it is on the N900 itself, the last thing I want is it unbootable cure to core.1 and core.2 etc.. and no rootfs space :( | 20:05 |
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| w00t | speaking of core dumps.. anyone managed to get midori working without crashing constantly on n900? | 20:08 |
| mancha | hi there. anyone know where i can see an updated maemo mapper map url list? my google street map url is not working. | 20:08 |
| w00t | it crashes on start for me, so.. | 20:08 |
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| odin_ | found the buggers... /media/mmc1/core-dumps/exe-xxxx-0-.rcore.lzo | 20:10 |
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| * w00t stops hacking and goes to play some angry birds for a break | 20:12 | |
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| SplasPood | angry birds is awesome | 20:18 |
| SplasPood | is there any way to buy the additional levels at this point? | 20:18 |
| timeless_mbp | odin_: um | 20:18 |
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| slonopotamus | SplasPood, level pack 1. | 20:18 |
| SplasPood | slonopotamus: I thought they had pulled it because of security problems with the ovi store | 20:19 |
| timeless_mbp | odin_: it probably would if you didn't have an sd card in your n900 | 20:19 |
| timeless_mbp | certainly i have a core-dumps directory | 20:19 |
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| w00t | you *can* buy the levels now? me and the gf have been waiting for that :P | 20:19 |
| timeless_mbp | the program has a bunch of fallbacks | 20:19 |
| slonopotamus | SplasPood, oh... and didn't put back? | 20:19 |
| odin_ | does maemo.org have a repo searcher? like debians http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages (also the search package contents ability?) I am looking for the package that has the devtool: rich-core-extract (its not in sp-rich-core) | 20:19 |
| timeless_mbp | odin_: it should be in the tools repo... | 20:20 |
| odin_ | timeless_mbp, ah yes, but it threw me that I had the directory created and the example shows it in use | 20:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | well, it does! | 20:20 |
| timeless_mbp | if you don't give it something else it happens to prefer :) | 20:20 |
| timeless_mbp | most people don't do that :) | 20:20 |
| odin_ | yeah I shall edit the Wiki page in a bit | 20:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | note that it has other fallbacks too iirc | 20:21 |
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| pupnik | RST38h: fixing up vultures gfx | 20:21 |
| timeless_mbp | so you should probably point people to the code instead of asserting "it will always use X or Y" | 20:22 |
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| LuciusMare | moo timeless | 20:22 |
| timeless_mbp | oom? | 20:22 |
| LuciusMare | ohm | 20:22 |
| slonopotamus | moh | 20:22 |
| LuciusMare | meh. | 20:22 |
| timeless_mbp | mih | 20:23 |
| slonopotamus | uh oh | 20:23 |
| LuciusMare | HIM | 20:23 |
| timeless_mbp | HAM | 20:23 |
| xorAxAx | browserd. | 20:23 |
| LuciusMare | oink | 20:23 |
| xorAxAx | my n900 is swapping most of the time :-( | 20:24 |
| xorAxAx | hildon-desktop is a real memory hog | 20:24 |
| xorAxAx | any way to debug that? | 20:24 |
| cehteh | its designed for swapping .. with 256MB ram only and 786MB swap :P | 20:24 |
| LuciusMare | lolwut | 20:24 |
| konttori | hmm... afaik, desktop fixed all mem leaks for pr1.1. | 20:25 |
| konttori | well, all that really mattered. | 20:25 |
| LuciusMare | even with 8 windows open, ihave no more than 150 mb | 20:25 |
| w00t | h-d is at 8mb for me | 20:25 |
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| LuciusMare | used, so what swapping? | 20:25 |
| w00t | uptime of 3 days | 20:25 |
| xorAxAx | w00t: how much VIRT? | 20:25 |
| * cehteh hopes ramzswap will appear for the current n900 kernel | 20:25 | |
| konttori | cehteh: that would be sweet indeed | 20:26 |
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| cehteh | xorAxAx: is there /proc/sys/vm/block_dump | 20:27 |
| cehteh | if yes you can activate that | 20:27 |
| LuciusMare | ~ramzswap | 20:27 |
| LuciusMare | huh | 20:27 |
| cehteh | konttori: whom to nudge at nokia to integrate that? | 20:27 |
| LuciusMare | what is ramzswap and what is the name of the bot? | 20:28 |
| cehteh | LuciusMare: http://code.google.com/p/compcache/ | 20:28 |
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| xorAxAx | cehteh: every additional module is a maintenance burden!111eleven | 20:28 |
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| cehteh | there where modules for n810 and iirc the maemo mantainer proposed some n900 package | 20:28 |
| konttori | cehteh: eero.tamminen@nokia.com might be good first candidate | 20:28 |
| cehteh | i used it on my laptop, works really great | 20:28 |
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| cehteh | with 2.6.33 it will be in mainline | 20:29 |
| cehteh | well .. i dont have much hopes that a very well optimized and up to date kernel is a top priority thing for nokia | 20:30 |
| cehteh | (i mean more than just the basic stuff .. and of course no experiments in any way) | 20:31 |
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| pupnik | good lord, some one changed my keyboard layout on my desktop | 20:36 |
| pupnik | probably ubuntu in vmware | 20:36 |
| pupnik | now / is shift-3 | 20:36 |
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| TomaszD | fiferboy, how's that wesnoth port coming along? | 20:43 |
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| xorAxAx | wesnoth! | 20:43 |
| TomaszD | I was pretty close to having ported it, but I ran out of space | 20:44 |
| TomaszD | :) | 20:44 |
| AndrewFBlack | anyone remembe where maemo.org logo in svg was on wiki? | 20:44 |
| red | Anyone having troubles using facebook? :D | 20:44 |
| red | Seems shaky at past two hours, or then my router is going to blow up soon | 20:45 |
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| red | In a call with Michael Halbherr, Nokia's VP of Social Location, we were told that the new Ovi Maps would arrive on the flagship N97 very shortly. It's currently a "software logistics issue" related to the maturity of the N97 device | 20:48 |
| red | N900 owners shouldn't hold their breath, though, as Nokia is focusing on bringing its free navigation service to the next generation of Maemo devices. That's not to say that the N900 won't get it eventually, only that it's not currently on the roadmap. | 20:48 |
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| red | Now THAT is gay. | 20:49 |
| odin_ | timeless_mbp, sorry took phonecall, sp-rich-core-postproc is the package, only known because is a small mention in the sp-rich-core wiki page.. I'll edit the devtools wiki page in a bit to explicitly mention it :) | 20:49 |
| timeless_mbp | odin_: those should be in tools... | 20:50 |
| odin_ | timeless_mbp, its the Wiki documentation that talks of "devtools" from the category heading but the repo is fremantle/tools | 20:51 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah | 20:51 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't think 'devtools' was ever the actual path | 20:51 |
| timeless_mbp | the 'dev' part is to remind people it's for developers, not end users | 20:51 |
| timeless_mbp | no end user should be manually running these programs :) | 20:51 |
| odin_ | yeah but just the title of the documentation wiki grouping | 20:51 |
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| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 20:51 | |
| timeless_mbp | wikis = disasters anyone can try to fix | 20:52 |
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| konttori | [extras-builds] [fremantle]: nuvofre 1.05 OK | 20:52 |
| konttori | WOhoo. Theme maker creates now a compatible source package | 20:53 |
| * odin_ is happy now... he will leave crash_reporter_daemon to do its thing | 20:53 | |
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| konttori | I have no clue if that results to a theme though, but ... let's see. | 20:53 |
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| red | anyone got the angry bird debs? would like to test the game since you can't buy it yet | 20:54 |
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| konttori | red: use ovi store | 20:56 |
| konttori | you can get the test 21 levels from there | 20:56 |
| konttori | and for the extra levels, they will be back up soonish. | 20:56 |
| konttori | if soon means within a few weeks ;) | 20:56 |
| w00t | weeks? :( | 20:57 |
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| red | konttori: ah, is there a free test app? | 20:58 |
| red | guess ill register there, not like its too much to pay in any case | 20:58 |
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| rantom | Hmm | 21:00 |
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| pupnik | connect irc.oftc.net | 21:00 |
| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: fud soonish? | 21:00 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 21:00 |
| rantom | Anyone else getting RFCOMM drop outs on PR 1.1 with Bluetooth DUN? | 21:00 |
| timeless_mbp | where? | 21:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | everest? | 21:00 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: you still in town? | 21:01 |
| rantom | I can't seem to get my Bluetooth DUN work anymore, after PR1.1 | 21:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | (or anyone else?) | 21:01 |
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| rantom | So uh anyone else having this problem? I did re-pair my Mac and N900 via Bluetooth and recreated the Bluetooth DUN on Mac -> solved for couple of connections and then errors again | 21:04 |
| odin_ | how do I use "dpkg" to do the same as "apt-get install --reinstall" when I have the *.deb packages locally (i.e. the ones I built) | 21:04 |
| rantom | I think it's the N900 that's messing it since this has happened before my MBP update also | 21:04 |
| rantom | odin_: I reinstalled it already and didn't help | 21:04 |
| odin_ | rantom, sorry that wasn't a reply to your question, it was my own question to channel | 21:05 |
| rantom | Yes, I got the connection back via reinstallation but the bug reappeared | 21:05 |
| rantom | odin_: Ok, my bad, I misread it | 21:06 |
| rantom | I'll post this to the talk.maemo before making a bug-verification | 21:06 |
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| PhonoN900 | My N900 is showing an up-time of 16hrs. That is definitely a new record | 21:08 |
| jkimball4 | I prequently go a week or two. | 21:09 |
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| jkimball4 | frequently even | 21:09 |
| odin_ | maybe apt-get behind the scene does uninstall then install, but.. a lot of package depend on the thing I am wishing to reinstall (via dpkg) | 21:10 |
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| odin_ | giving: "dpkg -i --force-all" a go, standby to reflash! | 21:11 |
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| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: yeah everest works | 21:12 |
| timeless_mbp | ok | 21:12 |
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| * timeless_mbp shivers | 21:13 | |
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| andres | jkimball4: wow. | 21:14 |
| wazd | konttori: heya | 21:14 |
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| jkimball4 | andres: well unless he means on a single charge. | 21:14 |
| jkimball4 | but you shouldn't ever have to turn it off | 21:14 |
| andres | I think it was about a single charge. | 21:15 |
| wazd | konttori: I've found a small bug in theming | 21:15 |
| jkimball4 | even then, i get more than that for sure | 21:15 |
| timeless_mbp | wazd: bugs in theming? no way! | 21:16 |
| wazd | timeless_mbp: well, yeah :D | 21:16 |
| wazd | timeless_mbp: and I'm not talking bout absolutely ridiculous color management :) | 21:16 |
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| wazd | konttori: http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=6113&d=1264013098 | 21:16 |
| wazd | konttori: if you'll look closer at the address text input, you | 21:17 |
| wazd | you'll notice a small black box on top of it | 21:17 |
| wazd | I'm not quite sure what it exactly is | 21:18 |
| odin_ | I have installed a package "foobar" and then "foobar-dbg" successfully, but the executable /usr/bin/foobar still does not have any debugging info, the "foobar-dbg" metapackage is the debug sections from the ELF exec, and its on the system in /usr/lib/debug/xxxx tree | 21:19 |
| andres | odin_: sounds normal? | 21:20 |
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| odin_ | andres, but pages like http://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace indicate the symbols should now be present (I don't have objdump/nm on N900) so I am going by the "stripped" and "not stripped" flag and the executable file size | 21:21 |
| andres | odin_: gdb or similar will load the debugging info from the external file | 21:22 |
| odin_ | andres, I am not a previous debian user (well I was used not developer), but Red Hat has something similar in their package system so they can generate debugging symbols, for debian the entire http://debug.debian.net/debian/ repo is the *-dbg packages | 21:22 |
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| w00t | who packaged git? | 21:23 |
| odin_ | andres, ok I try that (automatically ?) or I need to give it the symbol-file ? | 21:23 |
| w00t | it seems to be a little oddly behaved | 21:23 |
| andres | automagically normally | 21:23 |
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| w00t | specifically: | 21:24 |
| w00t | # git add --interactive | 21:24 |
| w00t | git: 'add--interactive' is not a git-command. See 'git --help'. | 21:25 |
| w00t | looks a bit uh.. | 21:25 |
| w00t | strange | 21:25 |
| alterego | N900+TV, just done it, pretty cool :) | 21:25 |
| alterego | Shame it's not HDMI though | 21:25 |
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| alterego | ..I didn't think it was working to begin with mind | 21:26 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t: try w/ only one dash/ | 21:26 |
| hardaker | there are multiple git packages actually... | 21:26 |
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| hardaker | there is also a git core. | 21:26 |
| hardaker | err... git-core. | 21:26 |
| odin_ | yep its finding symbols.. but not stopping for main, does gdb work as normal on N900 directly ? i.e. breakpoints work ok | 21:26 |
| hardaker | I actually packaged the raw "git" but didn't have all the sub-dependcency packages around when I did it. | 21:26 |
| w00t | timeless_mbp: I originally got that error from 'git add -p' | 21:27 |
| w00t | so I suspect it's not the arguments I'm using | 21:27 |
| w00t | but nevertheless, hold on | 21:27 |
| w00t | error: did you mean `--interactive` (with two dashes ?) | 21:28 |
| andres | odin_: interrupt the program set a breakpoint to some lines ahead and continue and you will see ;-) | 21:28 |
| andres | (never tried using gdb on my n900) | 21:28 |
| javispedro | I have to wonder what's the logic of "client looks better composited IF client requested non-composited mode". | 21:28 |
| javispedro | I guess the flag's meaning got inverted. | 21:28 |
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| javispedro | ah, my old friend strcmp (class_hint.res_class, "Chessui") | 21:29 |
| odin_ | andres, program does not run (well I have a coredump of a crash in strcmp() during dbus setup... which is done as the 2nd function call in main(), but its not stopping in main, it crashes before main or that is what I can observe at least at the moment) | 21:29 |
| w00t | sshd also seems to not like me logging in multiple times, after X attempts I get PTY allocation failures and it ceases to work until I reboot | 21:30 |
| odin_ | going to write a crasher.c with debugging and test | 21:30 |
| w00t | (where X is a number I haven't figured out yet) | 21:30 |
| andres | odin_: well you should get a backtrace after crashing? | 21:30 |
| andres | odin_: in that you should see your main if it got called. | 21:30 |
| odin_ | no its scrubbed (like stack overwrite...) #1 0x00000000 in ?? () | 21:30 |
| hardaker | I think I built git without the interactive support enabled (probably a missing readline library or something) | 21:31 |
| hardaker | sorry... | 21:31 |
| hardaker | I'll look at updating it. | 21:31 |
| hardaker | or you might try the other packages. | 21:31 |
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| odin_ | ah even my crasher.c (based on sp-rich-code example: memcpy(p, 0x00, sizeof(p)); ) does not work as expected, I am using gdb from devtools (fremantle/tools) repo: 6.8.50.20090417-debian | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | odin_: it's a sysctl to enable core dumps :P | 21:33 |
| odin_ | Thanks Stskeeps, I'm past that one... echo core > /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern" as I found the core-dumps also on /media/mmc1 which Wiki does not indicate (I'll fix wiki shortly) | 21:34 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | odin_, dpkg -i <package> reinstalls if it's already installed (it doesn't care what version it's uninstalling) | 21:35 |
| odin_ | so I'm happy with crash-reporter, but there is something Stskeeps have you BeagleBoard ? have you looked at IGEPv2 ? | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | odin_: no, i don't have a beagleboard | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | odin_: i wish i did | 21:35 |
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| odin_ | Stskeeps, I'm looking at IGEPv2 looks somewhat more like an N900 than a Beagle (for a few more $$$) http://www.igep-platform.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=46&Itemid=55 | 21:36 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | also... how about strace as a first instead of gdb | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | hrm, 145 e | 21:36 |
| odin_ | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks for your reply.. yep I did run "-i --force-all" and after doing that realize -i would have done just as well | 21:37 |
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| odin_ | CutMeOwnThroat, can't strace ./crasher as its this code here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/sp-rich-core (but I can add some printf()s and stuff) | 21:38 |
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| Stskeeps | odin_: anyway, why did you bring up igepv2? | 21:38 |
| Hukka | CutMeOwnThroat! What is relatively fresh, 'though not biting anymore today? | 21:38 |
| Hukka | Sorry... can't resist such a blatant nick... :) | 21:39 |
| odin_ | Stskeeps, I thought you had a beagle (or something similar from the kernel dev interest) | 21:39 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | Hukka, the sausages inna bun are at their all-time... err... best | 21:39 |
| Hukka | CutMeOwnThroat: No pies today? | 21:39 |
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| Stskeeps | odin_: used to at my previous work | 21:39 |
| Hukka | I'd have liked one with a really nasty personality | 21:40 |
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| TomaszD | nice, fmms works | 21:41 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I've also fresh fish... came here directly by horse-carriage from the 200-miles-distant ocean | 21:41 |
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| Hukka | Well, that's better than from Ankh, by far! | 21:42 |
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| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: alright | 21:43 |
| timeless_mbp | oh no | 21:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | is it too late to be there/ | 21:43 |
| sp3000 | yeah | 21:43 |
| timeless_mbp | are you there? | 21:43 |
| timeless_mbp | we should be able to call everest or the indian place and order | 21:43 |
| timeless_mbp | they know us | 21:43 |
| sp3000 | nah, not started yet | 21:43 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 21:44 |
| timeless_mbp | so, that leaves elmos? | 21:44 |
| timeless_mbp | which we'll need to get to early enough to miss coat check/last call | 21:44 |
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| Hukka | Mmm, everest | 21:44 |
| timeless_mbp | Hukka: geoping | 21:45 |
| Hukka | Otaniemi | 21:45 |
| timeless_mbp | etoofar | 21:45 |
| Hukka | Heh, sorry :) Not hungry either | 21:45 |
| Hukka | And I had their takeaway on Sunday | 21:45 |
| timeless_mbp | Hukka: how early do you do dinner? | 21:46 |
| timeless_mbp | (we're as you can see, a late dinner group) | 21:46 |
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| Hukka | Earlier, definately. As I strive to wake up at 7.30, I try to go to bed around 23 | 21:47 |
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| odin_ | can anyone confirm the gdb 6.8.50.20090417-0maemo2+0m5 works on 55-1 on N900 ? | 21:47 |
| mtnbkr | well I get up at 7 yeah and go to work by 9... got no time for livin' yeah, I 'm workin' all the time... | 21:47 |
| * timeless_mbp repokes sp3000 about elmos | 21:48 | |
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| odin_ | opps not clear enough, that you can set a breakpoint on "main" and have it stop there (in a "cc -g3 -o crasher crasher.c" program say from sp-rich-core wiki page) | 21:48 |
| * mtnbkr --- long time RUSH fan lol | 21:48 | |
| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: yeah, I'm -> | 21:48 |
| timeless_mbp | -g3 ? | 21:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# gdb | 21:48 |
| SpeedEvil | GNU gdb (GDB) 6.8.50.20090417-debian | 21:48 |
| SpeedEvil | odin_: | 21:48 |
| Hukka | I can't stand Geddy Lee | 21:48 |
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| odin_ | SpeedEvil, /msg me wads of lines | 21:48 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 21:48 |
| Hukka | Nothing personal, it's just the voice | 21:48 |
| mtnbkr | Hukka: lol most people I know that don't like Rush blame their hatred on Geddy's voice | 21:49 |
| Hukka | I guess I'm more neoprog anyway | 21:49 |
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| odin_ | maybe -g3 break things, trying -g | 21:51 |
| hardaker | anyone here a ham radio person? | 21:52 |
| odin_ | yup | 21:52 |
| hardaker | I now have a full copy of the US FCC database on my phone with a lookup utility.... | 21:52 |
| hardaker | wanna try it? | 21:52 |
| hardaker | ;-) | 21:53 |
| odin_ | G7LED | 21:53 |
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| hardaker | ah, england | 21:53 |
| hardaker | I need to put DX country codes into the lookup utility still. | 21:53 |
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| odin_ | as in "egrep (Darryl|G7LED) linux/net/*/*.[ch]" | 21:55 |
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| hardaker | heh. | 21:56 |
| hardaker | someone once came up to me and said "did you know your name is returned on a strings of the iss security scanner?" | 21:56 |
| hardaker | no, I didn't. | 21:56 |
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| konttori | wazd: yes, I know the issue. The problem is not in theme, but in the input field, as it is implemented by browser. | 21:58 |
| wazd | konttori: ah | 21:59 |
| pupnik | http://dl.openhandhelds.org/cgi-bin/pandora.cgi?0,0,0,0,1 << [nelson] Ha Ha! | 21:59 |
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| konttori | wazd: so, now theme maker creates the source packages as well. | 22:00 |
| konttori | wohoo! | 22:00 |
| konttori | although, so far I've only tested under osx. | 22:00 |
| wazd | konttori: wow, great! | 22:01 |
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| MOUD | Hello | 22:01 |
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| anidel | Great work Konttori | 22:01 |
| konttori | thanks. worth the 2 hours I put to it yesterday and today | 22:01 |
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| MOUD | is there an on screen keyboard for browsing? I mostly use firefox | 22:02 |
| timeless | @elmos | 22:03 |
| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: going? | 22:03 |
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| timeless | here | 22:03 |
| timeless | food ordered | 22:03 |
| anidel | wrong | 22:03 |
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| timeless | you're coming, right? | 22:03 |
| anidel | food has to be prepared and eaten | 22:03 |
| anidel | :p | 22:03 |
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| konttori | MOUD: open control panel and you can turn on screen kb on from there | 22:06 |
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| timeless | does osk work w/ firefox? | 22:06 |
| odin_ | which does pop-up (somehow) when you do (something) in text input fields and such (in microb at least) | 22:06 |
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| anidel | leaving.. see you later guys | 22:07 |
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| konttori | it's funny to read that n900 will be getting the ovi maps navigation support now. | 22:08 |
| alterego | How's that funny? | 22:08 |
| konttori | funny in the sense that I should know about it, but maemo is completely detached from ovi maps guys | 22:08 |
| MOUD | konttori, thanks | 22:08 |
| alterego | I thought it alreaedy had ovi maps support? | 22:08 |
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| konttori | we just get code drops every now and then, but never any info on what is going on. | 22:08 |
| alterego | Oh, hah | 22:08 |
| konttori | it has ovi maps, but not the navigation | 22:08 |
| alterego | Really? Mine does routing | 22:09 |
| frals | interesting workflow | 22:09 |
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| timeless | kontorri: we aren't | 22:09 |
| timeless | read the followup | 22:09 |
| konttori | timeless: you mean that you actually know what is going on with maps guys? | 22:09 |
| ShadowJK | it has routing, but it doesn't have navigation in the sense that there is a voice that tells you "In 500 metres turn right... in 200 metres turn right... in 50 metres turn right... turn right now. Why didn't you turn right? Make a U-turn. Make a U-turn. Make a U-turn. .... " | 22:10 |
| timeless | there's a followup, someone asked and was told maemo was busy working on something else | 22:10 |
| konttori | "At the press conference announcing the news this morning, Nokia executive vice president Anssi Vanjoki confirmed that the Nokia N900, which runs Maemo 5, a different operating system to most Nokia smartphones, will eventually support the free turn by turn service too" | 22:10 |
| ShadowJK | "eventually" :) | 22:10 |
| konttori | http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2010/01/21/nokia-n900-to-get-nokia-ovi-maps-free-navigation/ | 22:10 |
| ShadowJK | That's Maemo 7 then... oh wait but it says 5? damn | 22:10 |
| timeless | 2 or 3 years | 22:10 |
| konttori | no, he states n900 | 22:11 |
| alterego | ShadowJK: coming from Nokia, at least it's still going to be supported ;) Normally they'd s ay. Wait for Maemo 6 :P | 22:11 |
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| timeless | nokia: often, release late | 22:11 |
| konttori | anyway, not that it could not have been just a mistake, but I mean, I really never hear what is going on with those guys, so I would also not be surprised if that was the case. | 22:11 |
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| zaheerm-lp | konttori, is that the only team that is completely detached? | 22:12 |
| MOUD | the on screen keyboard is enabled but how can I use it while browsing? | 22:12 |
| konttori | zaheerm-lp: more or less, yeah. | 22:13 |
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| andre__ | MOUD: by clicking a text input field? | 22:13 |
| MOUD | andre__: trying it on google but doesnt work | 22:14 |
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| alterego | Heh 'g_nokia' presumably that's the PC suite usb mode? :) | 22:15 |
| andre__ | MOUD, URL? and which field do you click? | 22:15 |
| * mtnbkr just submitted a bug regarding the on-screen k/b not always popping up when a text field is tapped (with physical k/b closed) | 22:15 | |
| andre__ | heh. fits :) | 22:15 |
| andre__ | hmm, works for google.cz here | 22:16 |
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| timeless | maps is more detached than most | 22:16 |
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| timeless | arguably the other ovi services are worse | 22:16 |
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| MOUD | andre__: it worked, I re-enabled the keyboard, thanks :) | 22:16 |
| MOUD | and thanks to konttori too | 22:17 |
| timeless | and the nokia.com phone database.... | 22:17 |
| odin_ | ok I found the problem (to gdb)... $SHELL=/usr/local/bin/safebash and gdb is doing "$SHELL -c exec /home/user/crasher" to run it, but my "safebash" is a script which exec's /usr/local/bin/bash if installed or /bin/sh otherwise | 22:17 |
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| * alterego starts working on his "gps-status" home applet. | 22:25 | |
| alterego | Actually, I think I'll make it a status bar plugin. | 22:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | alterego: isn't there one of those already? | 22:27 |
| SpeedEvil | It'd be nice if it gave some indication of lock state tho | 22:27 |
| SpeedEvil | coarse/fine/epe | 22:27 |
| alterego | Which is what I'm doing. | 22:27 |
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| alterego | It's "status" not control of any kind. | 22:27 |
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| alterego | It'll have available sats and signal strength for all channels. | 22:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | umm - that's gonna be a bit big | 22:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | oh - you mean once you tap | 22:28 |
| alterego | Yes ;) | 22:28 |
| SpeedEvil | are you doing anything for the non-tapped case? | 22:29 |
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| alterego | Probably, though I'm not sure yet. | 22:29 |
| alterego | Any ideas? | 22:29 |
| timeless | doesn't the standard gps indicator range precision? | 22:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | umm - greyed = no position - flashing = network position, continuous = GPS? | 22:30 |
| odin_ | Ive seen it red (I'm sure) | 22:30 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: Yeah, something like that would be quite neat, maybe even an indication of accuracy. | 22:30 |
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| * corecode is so excited | 22:31 | |
| corecode | the n900 has been delivered | 22:31 |
| odin_ | 2d fix, 3d fix, etc.. ? | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there *is* accuracy indicator in systray menu | 22:31 |
| alterego | I just really want a good sat view with signal strength :P | 22:31 |
| corecode | wrong continent, but still | 22:31 |
| SpeedEvil | corecode: :) | 22:32 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: there is? | 22:32 |
| corecode | now i need to figure out how to get it | 22:32 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I completely missed it | 22:32 |
| corecode | either direct mail + pay customs, or mail to friend at conference, then figure out how to get it from friend | 22:32 |
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| alterego | I suppose I could "replace" the current GPS status applet, seems a bit silly having two :/ | 22:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | corecode: black ninja suit and grappling hooks should figure in any sensible plan. | 22:33 |
| corecode | SpeedEvil: so you're saying send to friend, then sneak in and steal from friend | 22:33 |
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| shrdlu- | corecode is here too | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for sat view with signal strength you might want to check location test app or/and gpsjinni | 22:34 |
| corecode | shrdlu-: yes yes | 22:34 |
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| tps_ | How can i get access to maemo phone functionality from python? | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dbus | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | check jebba,s user site at wiki | 22:37 |
| lizardo | tps_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 22:37 |
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| tps_ | lizardo: I saw that before. Sorry, my question was kinda wrong. It should be "Are there any dbus wrapper for python to access maemo phone functionality?" | 22:39 |
| villager | hmm, would be fun to try to write an app that uses the camera and shows it on the display with targeting HUD overlays like Terminator or Robocop | 22:39 |
| lizardo | tps_: python-dbus is a generic DBUS interface for python | 22:40 |
| villager | perhaps also a button to toggle that "secret nightvision mode" | 22:40 |
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| luke-jr | villager: or even AR support | 22:40 |
| lizardo | tps_: there is a python example on that page... | 22:40 |
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| alterego | lizardo: he wants a silly wrapper for the functionality ;) | 22:40 |
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| villager | luke-jr: would be more work though | 22:41 |
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| villager | luke-jr: wouldn't mind trying anyway, but probably won't have time | 22:41 |
| tps_ | lizardo: thanks | 22:41 |
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| villager | AR might be easier if the device had 6-axis accelerometer | 22:43 |
| SpeedEvil | err - what? | 22:44 |
| villager | alternatively, two 3-axis accelerometers at different locations in the device | 22:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | villager: nope | 22:44 |
| SpeedEvil | villager: witht he class of accellerometers available for even as much as $1000 for 3 axes - differential accellerometers is a joke. | 22:44 |
| SpeedEvil | villager: you want accel + gyro | 22:45 |
| villager | SpeedEvil: differential? I want to measure torque | 22:45 |
| SpeedEvil | villager: which is about to come down lots in price - as MEMS gyros with integrated A/D are coming out | 22:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | villager: that doesn't pan out so much | 22:45 |
| SpeedEvil | villager: differential in that you are measuring the difference in accellerations between the accels - and trying to extract a differential reading. | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | villager: FR has that | 22:46 |
| SpeedEvil | villager: but the fundamental is so noisy that unless you're actually using the device as a cricket bat - the output is in the noise | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | villager: believe me you want a gyro for rotation sensing | 22:46 |
| SpeedEvil | and/or a compass | 22:46 |
| villager | SpeedEvil: well you can put two cheap accelerometers at different locations in the device and try to compute the torque in software, can't you? | 22:47 |
| ShadowJK | villager, they don't have the accuracy really | 22:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: seen my comment about Freerunner? | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | s/speedevil/ villager / | 22:49 |
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| villager | DocScrutinizer: yes, but I had no idea what "FR" was an acronym for | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aah ok | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Openmoko Freerunner | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | a linux phone | 22:51 |
| * konttori won't be doing any work on week after next - http://ve3d.ign.com/videos/60897/PC/Mass-Effect-2/Trailer/Launch-Trailer | 22:51 | |
| konttori | sick leave ahead ;) | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | with W of the accels N900 has ne | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | one | 22:51 |
| SpeedEvil | villager: The noise is horrible. | 22:51 |
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| cehteh | better add a gyro or compass | 22:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | s/W/2/ | 22:51 |
| cehteh | (in favor of compass of course) | 22:52 |
| SpeedEvil | villager: For example - the n900 has accels with a resolution of 18mg - this is 17cm/s^2. You have two of these in a differential measurement - so the error is on the order of 30cm/s^2. | 22:52 |
| villager | yeah, I've gotten the point | 22:53 |
| SpeedEvil | villager: With a 10cm baseline between accels - you have an error of about 30 degrees/second | 22:53 |
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| cehteh | put them farer apart .. 10meters or so .. add some telescope poles to the device :) | 22:54 |
| cehteh | like antennas on ghetto blasters :) | 22:55 |
| villager | SpeedEvil: the idea was, though, to combine optical-mouse-type image recognition with the accelerometer data to determine rotation | 22:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | villager: you can do that yes - in principle. | 22:55 |
| cehteh | villager: just use the front cam for that would be already better than the accel :) .. even while the front cam is crap | 22:55 |
| SpeedEvil | it's far from trivial | 22:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | still there's one axis along the two gmeters which a ratoation along that axis goes unnoticed to the gmeters | 22:56 |
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| cehteh | so you need 3 of those | 22:56 |
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| cehteh | and a triangular shaped phone ... | 22:56 |
| SpeedEvil | that - in principle - only happens if the axis between the accels and the gravity axis aligns | 22:56 |
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| cehteh | or even better 4 with a tetraeder brick :) | 22:57 |
| villager | cehteh: except when looking at a solid-colored wall or something, or turning really fast | 22:57 |
| cehteh | yeah of course | 22:57 |
| cehteh | or just looking into blue sky | 22:57 |
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| cehteh | take it .. the n900 has no reasonable sensor to notice rotation :( | 22:58 |
| cehteh | wel bad phrased | 22:58 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd like to add one. | 23:02 |
| SpeedEvil | But it involves voiding the warranty - but isn't very hard | 23:02 |
| timeless | anyone here want to explain to the idiots who made this dialog how they managed to spell out "fuck you koffice community": http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/koffice/Screenshot-20100121-225100.png | 23:02 |
| villager | no sensor that can be tethered with the n900 over bluetooth or something, and taped to your head or whatever? | 23:03 |
| * timeless doesn't have the energy to track them down and beat them up | 23:03 | |
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| tps_ | anyone here used the python "easy api" for maemo? | 23:05 |
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| villager | actually I suspect any VR goggles out there would have their own builtin head tracker, maybe the output of those could be used if you wanted to strap such goggles to your head to do AR anyway | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | villager: if you happen to find a nice BT based sensor for that, I guess coupling won't be the main obstacle | 23:05 |
| konttori | X-Fade: are we going to get away from these errors soon: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/nuvofre/1.06/ | 23:06 |
| konttori | Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in | 23:07 |
| konttori | /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/core/privilege.php on line 457 | 23:07 |
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| timeless | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 66 Jan 21 22:36 /usr/share/kde4/apps/kpresenter/styles/defaultstyles.xml -> /opt/maemo/usr/share/kde4/apps/kpresenter/styles/defaultstyles.xml | 23:08 |
| timeless | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1546 Jan 14 15:25 /usr/share/kde4/apps/kword/styles/defaultstyles.xml | 23:08 |
| * timeless wonders how someone managed to optify this that way | 23:08 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | kde4? LOL | 23:09 |
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| pupnik | i just played through mass effect 1 and it was almost perfect. really silly level killing the intelligent plants though. | 23:11 |
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| pupnik | it's like some producer with no artistic sense at all said 'we need a zombie level!' | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~optification is a botch to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR | 23:12 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer51: okay | 23:12 |
| pupnik | DocScrutinizer51: which packages have you optified? | 23:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I'd rather chew my arm off than to do optification to a package for my own device | 23:15 |
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| pupnik | it's very simple if you use "ar" to make the deb :D | 23:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | shooting my knee once I got a gun also is simple | 23:17 |
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| timeless | ar comes w/ your n900 | 23:17 |
| pupnik | i observe that the loudest complaints come from folks like me who fail a lot | 23:18 |
| LuciusMare | haha | 23:18 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless: it looks like the work of maemo-optify heuristis | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | cs | 23:25 |
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| villager | hmm yeah, maybe I will start up my "VillageAR" project in a couple of weeks or something... | 23:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | villager: keep us updated. Particularly about the goggles - highly intriguing topic | 23:26 |
| villager | dunno if there are any goggles that would communicate with the n900, but maybe I can look into it too | 23:27 |
| LuciusMare | hi, i caught an event with dbus-monitor, but i dont understand the output, is there an explanation? i want to resend it with dbus-send | 23:27 |
| woglinde | LuciusMare ? | 23:28 |
| woglinde | dbus-monitor is mostly for debugging only | 23:29 |
| alterego | Has anyone wrote a decent call recording app? | 23:29 |
| woglinde | alterego hm look at the blogroll on maemo.org | 23:29 |
| woglinde | I read somthing yesterday | 23:29 |
| alterego | woglinde: okay | 23:30 |
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| pupnik | why even say 'decent' | 23:30 |
| woglinde | LuciusMare probably you can write something with dbus-monitor und and dbus-send as shell script | 23:30 |
| LuciusMare | woglinde: then, how do i get what dbus event should i send to - pause mediaplayer,reset data counter... | 23:30 |
| alterego | Media player pausing is easy, it's on the wiki | 23:31 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: really? | 23:31 |
| alterego | LuciusMare: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#dbus-send-music-pause | 23:31 |
| woglinde | LuciusMare seem google isnt your friend? | 23:32 |
| LuciusMare | well | 23:32 |
| LuciusMare | yes | 23:32 |
| LuciusMare | but there arent pages about everything | 23:32 |
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| mikhas | didnt thp write a working app for that even? pause the player when earbuds are unplugged? | 23:34 |
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| villager | apparently someone has used a Wiimote as a head tracker | 23:36 |
| LuciusMare | er | 23:36 |
| LuciusMare | i didnt talk about an exact example | 23:37 |
| mikhas | well, but the code ... it would say it all | 23:37 |
| LuciusMare | not really | 23:37 |
| LuciusMare | it would just say how to pause the mediaplayer | 23:37 |
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| * mikhas scans backlog ... | 23:38 | |
| woglinde | bahaha that destroy community thread continuned | 23:39 |
| woglinde | I thought all was said | 23:39 |
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| pupnik | Very poor original post imo. Hardly representative of reality. | 23:39 |
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| LuciusMare | in fact, i want to create an app that will change the volume depending on the noise going to micrphone | 23:39 |
| LuciusMare | ( and a few others,understanding the output of dbus-monitor will help with a great piecej | 23:40 |
| LuciusMare | *piece) | 23:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | LuciusMare: heh using another of my patents? :-) | 23:45 |
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| xorAxAx | LuciusMare: you can do that using dwimd! | 23:45 |
| xorAxAx | the environment sensing gestalt optimizer for the n900! | 23:45 |
| LuciusMare | DocScrutinizer51: blast, and i thought i was original | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | xorAxAx: that's why I added 'ambient noise' to list of inputs | 23:45 |
| xorAxAx | DocScrutinizer51: do you want to implement an ambient noise plugin? :) | 23:46 |
| LuciusMare | ambient plugin? | 23:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | LuciusMare: nah I'm holding the copyright for ambient controlled ringer volume for ~8 years now ;-D | 23:46 |
| xorAxAx | LuciusMare: yes, in dwimd you only need 2 plugins and 3 lines of code | 23:46 |
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| LuciusMare | lol | 23:47 |
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| xorAxAx | LuciusMare: do you want to participate? | 23:47 |
| xorAxAx | in the development | 23:47 |
| LuciusMare | er | 23:47 |
| LuciusMare | yes, i would like to | 23:47 |
| xorAxAx | it already supports geolocation | 23:47 |
| xorAxAx | so you can say "please only increase volume when i am not at home" | 23:48 |
| LuciusMare | but the furthest i went was a python scriptie, learning c in progress | 23:48 |
| LuciusMare | oh | 23:48 |
| xorAxAx | its written in python | 23:48 |
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| xorAxAx | do you know hg? | 23:48 |
| LuciusMare | Also, DocScrutinizer51, you broke my mood, i thought its a great original idea | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | xorAxAx: (noise plugin) actually that should be easy like shit | 23:48 |
| LuciusMare | i dont think so | 23:49 |
| LuciusMare | (i was responding to xorAxAx) | 23:49 |
| woglinde | xorAxAx mercurial you meang | 23:49 |
| woglinde | hg is only the commandline tool | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | LuciusMare: it,s a great idea actually. You have to live with prior art all your life though | 23:49 |
| xorAxAx | LuciusMare: see http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/CzechTutorial | 23:49 |
| xorAxAx | then you can clone http://hg.alexanderweb.de/dwimd-main/ | 23:49 |
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| LuciusMare | DocScrutinizer51: i see, but i am kinda sad i am not first | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah probably as I'm not | 23:51 |
| LuciusMare | xorAxAx: bookmarking, will read tommorow, bye for now | 23:51 |
| LuciusMare | hah | 23:51 |
| LuciusMare | you said something about a patent... | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ;-P | 23:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I *hate* sw patents (though I actually claim a few, proxied by my boss that time) | 23:52 |
| Lynoure | emma: did not know you were into maemo as well | 23:52 |
| * LuciusMare looks forward for testing his new and shiny timelapse photo taker script | 23:52 | |
| LuciusMare | if you mind to look, timelapse.pastebin.com | 23:53 |
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| alterego | Can you add your own emoticons to conversations? | 23:54 |
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| sifr | are there any promotional codes floating around for getting n900? Please! Thanks. | 23:55 |
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| LuciusMare | lol | 23:55 |
| thresh | i only have a 500$ discount | 23:55 |
| thresh | want one? | 23:56 |
| xorAxAx | i have a 500 USD discount code | 23:56 |
| xorAxAx | but i wont sell it for less than 500 USD :) | 23:56 |
| sifr | haha | 23:56 |
| sifr | nvm | 23:56 |
| LuciusMare | i have a 250 code | 23:56 |
| LuciusMare | lets make an offer, i think 400 is just fair | 23:56 |
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| sifr | well i thought it'd be worth checking, anyway. | 23:57 |
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| LuciusMare | lolwut | 23:57 |
| LuciusMare | docscrutempoary? | 23:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yoh. for login purposea | 23:58 |
| LuciusMare | ah | 23:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | friggin irc doesn't allow to login with the same nick | 23:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | so you have to use a temporary one to ghost the one you wan to reclaim | 23:59 |
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