IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2010-01-21

Stskeepswazd, joppu: they reverted SDK to PR1.0 so there might be problems with the theme packages (you're getting hit by the same issues like everyone else)00:00
Stskeepserr, not SDK, autobuilder00:00
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__ibzless than 12 hours away...hmmmn00:01
ifreqis it possible to sync contacts directly from n900 to ovi service?00:01
RST38h===> sleep00:01
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woglindenite rst00:01
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wazdStskeeps: ah, constant reboot?00:02
wazdStskeeps: or what issues?00:02
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Stskeepswazd: no, there's a silly issue with building apps and having them work on people's devices out of the box00:03
Stskeepswe'll figure something out and it may not be a pretty solution :P00:04
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Stskeepswazd: i've put it on a post-it and will ask X-Fade if it will be OK to temporarily upload files from PR1.1 to extras-devel until issue is solved.00:06
Stskeeps(since those templates are non-critical to software)00:06
xorAxAxifreq: yes, with syncevolution00:07
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* Stskeeps is chewing through maemo-developers mail and is kinda tired of it already00:11
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embeddedno answers :(00:11
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Stskeepsembedded: you did not say anything00:12
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Stskeeps[23:10] <embedded> ??00:12
Stskeeps[23:11] <embedded> no answers :(00:12
StskeepsEnd of Lastlog00:12
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ifreqdoes ovi have any blogging ability?00:12
embeddedok, thx..maybe cause I wasn't not yet registered to nickserv00:12
embeddedThis was the my question:00:13
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embeddedWho knows if is possible to capture on-screen videos/gestures with Nokia N900 ?00:13
Stskeepsembedded: there's a screencast thing i think00:13
wiretappedyeah the load applet records screencasts00:14
wiretappednot gestures though00:14
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embeddedyeah I don't need to record videos from camera but from the screen (I need to record what I'm seeing on it)00:15
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wiretappedthat is what it does00:15
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embeddedwith the screencast feature of the "load applet" I'm able to get only audio, no video!00:17
SpeedEvilJust dictate what you're doing.00:17
SpeedEvilI've never gotten itt o work either.00:17
SpeedEvilThough I last tried some versions ago00:18
* GeneralAntilles sighs at Maemo/ confusion on -developers.00:18
embeddedSpeedEvil: are you talking to me?00:19
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* SpeedEvil wonders if it's quote lines from old movies day.00:20
SpeedEvilThat's no moon!00:20
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: well, some of it is a bit justified as the domain has a lot of luggage still from internal maemo :P00:20
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tybolltThere is no spoon.00:20
embeddedIn practice I'm trying to get a brief video of an installed running application in order to make a review and put its video on the net00:21
PaulAnagramaHi. Where do I set the connection timeout for wifi on n900? I want to set it to disconnect automatically when the connection idle for a while00:21
greenflyLuca Brace sleeps with the fishes00:21
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, it doesn't help when you start out with the "angry 3-year-old" tone, though.00:21
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: of course.00:21
MOUDhow can i browse in portrait mode?00:21
greenflyMOUD: ctrl-shift-o, then close keyboard, then rotate n90000:22
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: i found out i got my way more often through being humble and to the point00:22
MOUDgreenfly, tks00:22
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Arkenoibtw seems that browser remembers that rotation is allowed forever, nice ;-)00:24
xorAxAxtoday's dilbert is also about related misunderstandings, Stskeeps00:24
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StskeepsxorAxAx: indeed00:25
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* Stskeeps thinks the cure for is to be so occupied in community work that they don't have time to moan about issues00:26
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embeddedSpeedEvil : have you read my last reply?00:27
xorAxAxStskeeps: which thread are you talking about btw?00:27
StskeepsxorAxAx: "How to destroy your community" on maemo-developers00:27
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SpeedEvilembedded: sorry - afk intemittently. Have you tried updating to the latest version of the load applet - if it's not already.00:28
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GeneralAntillesStskeeps, an evil part of me still thinks Quim's "poisonous people" comment was the most telling in the thread. ;)00:31
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: is one of my favourite articles00:32
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GeneralAntillesStskeeps, yeah, that's a good one.00:33
mikhasI am interested in becoming poisonous! where to apply?!00:34
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fnordianslipanyone know which smtp server i can use with a 3 sim in the uk, as i can't connect to google not of much help.00:34
SpeedEviltried the obvious - frex?00:35
fnordianslipcurrently in france and need to send mail through n900. yep. tried that,00:36
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fnordianslipand just to be awkward, want an encrypted session00:36
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SpeedEvilumm - if you're in france - won't you want a french one?00:37
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embeddedSpeedEvil: I have just the latest version of it installed (quite daily I perform an update check)00:37
ifreqwhats good blogging platform with n900?00:38
SpeedEvilembedded: sorry - no great ideas - I have not successfully used it.00:38
ifreqerr software*00:38
fnordianslipSpeedEvil, good question. read that forum but no joy. can i force a socks proxy through ssh on latest firmware?00:38
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mikhasifreq, tried maStory?00:39
fnordianslipby that i mean can i get modest to use socks proxy?00:39
SpeedEvilfnordianslip: you can if you install openssh have ssh open a local socks server, which stuff can connect to00:39
ifreqmikhas: nope, thanks ill check it00:39
SpeedEvilI don't know if modest can be setup to use it00:39
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xorAxAxhmm, nokia has an internal irc system, right?00:40
* fnordianslip thinks of webmail as a stopgap00:40
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ifreqmikhas: what blog you recommend? :)00:40
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mikhasheh, none? =p00:41
ifreqok :P00:41
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mikhasI think that is okay-ish00:41
ifreqneed something to write down my biking trips +pics00:41
ifreqlike daily journal :P00:42
mikhaseasy to setup, and facebook/flickr integration00:42
mikhasyeah, you want flickr integration then00:42
ifreqoki ill look into it00:42
ifreqneed just simple blog nothing special :P00:43
ifreqmastory seems to be quite nice cli00:43
mikhaswell, honestly you are limited to whatever your blog client of choice can sync with00:43
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Arkenoiis there an rss reader which is capable of deduplicating similar google reader entries shared by different people?00:44
mikhasin the worst case, there's always =)00:44
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mikhasnow, with so many maemo bloggers, isnt there a "howto to blog w/ {the n900, maemo}" wiki page?00:45
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ifreqi wished there was some blog service on ovi but there was none00:46
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mikhashm, maybe. now that you said it ... it would seem obvious00:46
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GeneralAntillesmikhas, register with a blogging service supported by MaStory. install MaStory. blog.00:48
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mikhasyes yes, of course ...00:49
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GeneralAntillesThe Tips & Tricks section should probably include stuff about mirroring announcements a dozen times and writing tutorials to help users brick their devices.00:50
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pupniki don't know how many days unique311 and i spent trying to get picodrive working01:30
pupniksega genesis emu01:30
pupnikand i spent days working to fix sound buffer problems on fceu, before RST38h joined the scene01:30
tybollthmmm reminds me01:31
pupnikviel zeit im sand gesetzt01:31
tybolltI need to find giana sisters01:31
woglindeand rst fixed it all?01:31
pupnikhis nes port works01:31
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pupnikand i had just gotten my first gp2x port working too01:31
woglindehm nes is not sega01:31
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pupnikfceu was a nes emu that couldn't run at decent speed on n80001:32
woglindebut its not sega01:32
pupniki have a sega emu that runs a couple games01:32
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pupnikin fact there aren't many emus i haven't compiled01:33
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pupnikbut it was javis who took drpocketsnes and made it work01:35
woglindepupnik hm01:35
pupniki think i spent a month on that01:35
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pupnikfrodo still sucks, exult still sucks, kobo deluxe still sucks, pentagram still sucks, technoballz still sucks, penguincommand still sucks, pingus still sucks, secret maryo world still sucks01:37
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woglindeuse oprofile01:38
mikhasI dont know any of those. now what does that mean?01:38
pupnikall game ports that i can help get people started on01:38
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woglindemihkas all games01:39
pupnikoh, Nogravity01:39
pupnikcould be great01:39
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pupniknuvie, haxima01:41
pupnikgod, 4 months on uqm01:42
javispedrotime, always the most scarce resource :(01:43
woglindeyes :(01:44
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pupnikmypaint could be very nice with UI tweaks01:47
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pupnikthe dosbox devs made their fm synth / sound blaster emu faster just for us01:49
pupnikand all of that work is eaten-up by pulseaudio, but with proper driving we could hit the alsa device directly01:49
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woglindehm when I optify myself01:53
woglindewhat is right /opt/maemo/app01:53
woglindeor /opt/app01:53
GeneralAntillesWas there ever agreement on that?01:54
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woglindeI till take /opt/maemo/app01:55
woglindeso its sane with maemo-optify01:55
SpeedEvillook at your /opt01:55
javispedroit's not, as optify would do /opt/maemo (not /app)01:55
javispedro/opt/maemo/usr/bin/app, etc.01:55
woglindehm right01:56
woglindeokay than /opt/app01:56
SpeedEvilopt/maemo is 55M - opt/* (but maemo) is 11101:56
javispedroie /opt/boundce01:56
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SpeedEvilfwiw - opt/app seems to be 'older' apps01:57
pupniki'll go back to penguincommand... cheers01:57
SpeedEvilwith some exceptions01:57
javispedrothere was another missile command clone iirc01:57
SpeedEvildon't think it matters much though01:57
javispedroolder and more faithful to the original one01:58
woglindeso what now?01:58
woglindeoptify isnt smart when you have a lot of pictures01:58
woglindeeach link occupy at least one inode01:59
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GeneralAntillesOne more vote for Catorise.
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javispedromaemo-optify could gain some "agressive" flag where ie it symlinks entire /share dir02:00
woglindejavis sure, thats what I mean02:00
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VDVsxdon't use maemo-optify :D install directly into /opt02:01
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prontowow , installing this maemo sdk is giving me so many issues x.x02:02
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mikhaswhy hide? *points to libqt4-maemo5*02:04
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VDVsxmikhas, people use to shoot at me, I'm anti-maemo-optify :D02:06
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prontois there any way to get that sdk going on a non-debain system -.-02:06
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VDVsxpronto, other linux distro ?02:07
* GeneralAntilles fires bottlecaps at VDVsx.02:07
VDVsxhumm, is saw something about fedora, but can remember where02:08
javispedropronto: "you're on your own installation", or vm.02:08
mikhaspronto, catch aep on #qt-maemo02:08
mikhasor this channel, heh02:08
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xorAxAxare there python bindings for libprofile?02:12
xorAxAxi cannot find any02:12
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* hardaker can't stand it any longer and runs off to package less.02:23
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xorAxAxthere is less, hardaker02:25
hardakererr...  under what package name/02:25
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zaheerm-lpX-Fade, are the builders stuck?02:26
hardakerE: Package less has no installation candidate02:27
xorAxAxhardaker: well, i have one :-)02:28
xorAxAxhardaker: try the tools repo02:28
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hardakerfor maemo5?02:29
hardakerdidn't know it existed.02:30
hardakerwhat's the source.list line for it?02:31
hardakerI can't see it by browsing quickly through the repo dir02:31
woglindegood nite02:32
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hardakerGA: thanks.02:32
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GeneralAntilleslol, TI works to get OMAP2 GL drivers and people still hate on them.02:34
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wazdGeneralAntilles: humans02:35
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tybolltGeneralAntilles: _opensource_?02:37
tybolltof course people hate when the drivers are closed source and the doco is NDA02:38
GeneralAntillestybollt, same setup as OMAP3.02:38
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wiretappedwhy must less be hidden in the tools repo? should be in extras.02:39
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* mtnbkr wonders where telnet or nc is 02:39
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wiretappedmost of tools is only needed by people doing maemo development; less is needed by anyone who wants to use the local shell for anything02:40
wiretappedmtnbkr: netcat is in tools also02:40
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ShadowJKwould be cool to put optified less,netcat,nano,etc in extras02:40
tybolltnano? :-|02:41
tybolltolrite, off to bed02:41
tybolltyay gcc02:41
GeneralAntilleswiretapped, probably, but, meh.02:41
GeneralAntilleswiretapped, feel free to go harass the SDK team about it.02:41
ShadowJKwell vim and emacs are already in extras iirc02:41
mtnbkrwiretapped: would that repo be    ?02:43
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wiretappedmtnbkr: no, see
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mtnbkrwiretapped: K thanks...02:45
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goriofabhi guys.. how i know my qt version ?02:47
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ljpqmake --version02:50
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mzawhat do you think the chances are of seeing blackberry connect for the N900?02:53
mikhas> 0?02:53
mzai figured02:53
mzahere's to wishing02:53
mzablackberry messenger would be awesome02:54
mzaim gonna leave the bb service on with accnt when i get mine for a week02:54
mzasee what i can see02:54
cehtehipv6 .. public ip ..02:54
mzasurprised there aren't routers that do that already02:55
mzaipv6 -> ipv402:55
mzawith nat02:55
mzahmm, yea nevermind still need to tunnel ipv602:55
cehtehnative v6 i mean .. but the n900 kernel has prolly no v6 and i dont know any carrier who lets you use v6 over 3g02:56
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cehtehwell with openvpn that might become possible somehow (if only the kernel supports v6)02:57
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mzano need, if you can do openvpn you can make tunnel devices02:57
mzaipv6 tunneling02:57
mzai ran a tunnel broker for a minute02:58
cehtehbut well i want my phone reachable from the internet over a public v6 ip02:58
cehtehok i can do that with openvpn and v4 too02:59
mzathe kernel doesnt have v6?02:59
mzathat's surprising.02:59
cehtehi dont know02:59
mzado you have the device?02:59
mzaifconfig should tell you02:59
cehtehdont have a device currently02:59
mzame either02:59
mzalemme fire up the sdk02:59
cehtehi would be rather surprised if its enabled02:59
mzaeverything has v6 these days02:59
mzayea, cant tell with the sdk03:00
mzasomeone with an n900 wanna post ifconfig -a somewhere?:)03:00
cehtehyou can check the kernel config03:00
mzabe a pal03:00
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goriofabhow to know my qt version ?03:05
aepqmake -v03:05
aepuh on the n900, no clue03:06
goriofabqmake: not found03:06
aepyeah wont work on the device.03:06
aepyou gotta use some apt-foo03:07
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goriofab:(not found too03:07
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aepthat was a methaphor.03:09
goriofabi did a maemo update and somy app doesnt work 100%.. i try to use qtirreco now and doesn work.. i research on the web and i saw that i need to update my qt03:10
goriofabsorry aep but i'm new user :)03:10
aepme too. i have no clue how debian works03:10
nomisdpkg -l | grep -i qt03:10
mikhasdpgk -i is not good enough?03:10
mikhas-l, yeah03:10
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mzanobody can show me an ifconfig -a03:13
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cehtehxorAxAx: do a ifconfig -a03:13
xorAxAxwhy? thats private data03:15
xorAxAxmza: why do you need it?03:15
mzai would like to see if there is ipv6 support and i'm just curious what interfaces exist03:16
mzaifconfig -a |sed 's/[0-9]/666/g'03:16
mzai dont wanna see your ip03:16
goriofabmikhas how to type | on n900 ?03:16
mikhasfn + ctrl03:17
mzamake that ifconfig -a |sed 's/[0-9]/6/g'03:17
nomismza: seems I have a wlan666 here  :)03:17
mikhasthen it is the top right icon on the virtual keyboard03:17
mza ifconfig -a |sed 's/[1-9]/6/g'03:17
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mikhasgoriofab, ^^^03:18
nomismza: interfaces: lo, phonet0, wlan0, wmaster0.03:18
mzais there any ipv6 info?03:18
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goriofabmikhas yes..03:18
nomismza: I don't see any.03:18
mzainet6 fe80::21f:5bff:fec7:d6c8%en1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x503:18
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mzanomis: i love you03:19
mzaa true pal03:19
mzaim curious how tcpdump will interact with phonet0:)03:19
goriofabmikhas thks.. but dpkg cmd not found qt packages.. :(03:19
mzawonder if wireshark can record calls off that like it can sip03:19
nomismza: using the gprs connection I also get a "gprs0".03:20
goriofabalgum brasileiro por aqui ?03:20
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mzawasn't GPRS cracked recently?03:21
mikhasgoriofab, sorry I cant help you there =/03:21
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nomismza: that probably was GSM you heard about.03:21
mzaoh that sucks03:21
mzastill be neat to look at:)03:22
mzadump gprs into a pcap file03:22
mzathat's what gets me excited for the N90003:22
mzafinally a device you can hack on03:22
nomismza: uh, isn't that just a name? There probably will just be regular IP packets going over gprs. Not sure why you think that'd be very interesting.03:23
SpeedEvilIt's just ppp03:24
SpeedEvilIP over PPP03:24
SpeedEvilWith an ISDN-like underlayer IIRC03:24
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SpeedEvilyou don't get any of the raw info. That stays inside the modem03:24
nomismaybe, but this probably won't be visible on "gprs0".03:24
mzawhat's the 3g interface?03:25
mzaand which interface does voice ride over?03:25
xorAxAxSpeedEvil: gprs isnt ppp03:25
SpeedEvilmza: it goes to the modem as analog03:25
SpeedEvilxorAxAx: It's not?03:25
xorAxAxSpeedEvil: the ppp endpoint is in your device03:25
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SpeedEviloh - k.03:25
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xorAxAxSpeedEvil: the on the air protocol is multiple layers deep03:25
xorAxAxand unrelated to ppp03:25
SpeedEvilyes, I know03:25
SpeedEvilI mean - it's presented by teh modem as ppp03:25
SpeedEvilas I understand it anyway.03:25
VDVsxgoriofab, I'm not Brazilian, but I do speak Portuguese, if you need help :)03:25
xorAxAxSpeedEvil: "If you look at the GPRS related output on an ip.access nanoBTS while your mobile phone makes a HTTP request, the stack is something like HTTP-TCP-IP-PPP-SNDCP-LLC-BSSGP-NS-UDP-IP-Ethernet, while the first HTTP-TCP-IP-PPP is obvious, I would not have expected that many layers on the underlying network."03:26
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SpeedEvilI mean - it's presented to the user as ppp - and they have no visibility of the underlayers03:27
goriofabSpeedEvil: ok obrigado.. estou tentando descobrir a versao do qt no meu n900.. meu qtirreco parou de funcionar após a atualização do maemo03:27
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SpeedEvilWhere user in this case is - as I understand it - SoC - the modem presents it as ppp03:28
GeneralAntillesWe need an "Expect in Jackassery" label for certain Talk users.03:29
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: We need an "Expert in Jackassery" label for certain Talk users.03:30
VDVsxshiii don't say bad things about talk :p03:30
GeneralAntillesVDVsx, clearly a conspiracy from the council to silence me!03:31
goriofabhow to know if IR is work on my n900 ?03:33
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VDVsxGeneralAntilles, yes, but only in the agenda of the next council. Silence anyone that say bad things about talk or doesn't use talk :D :D :D03:35
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goriofabhow to know if IR is work on my n900 ?03:37
fredrindouble right click03:38
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shinkamuiwow, that was stupid03:39
shinkamui shinkamui #maemo :Cannot send to channel so cannot change nicks03:39
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shinkamuiI wanted to say before that, fredrin that your comment was quite entertaining :)03:40
villagerSpeedEvil: pretty sure that's wrong. The modem has no reason to expose gprs as ppp, it would involve extra complexity and overhead, and probably a massive slowdown in throughput, when it could just as well expose a net interface, and as far as I can tell, that's what the N900 does - it doesn't do ppp03:41
fredrinit fun to say to some people, their brains can parse it03:41
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fredrini made a antitech friend right click on the micre, lol03:42
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Arkenoiwhat is "keyboard-shortcuts" package?03:43
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villagerSpeedEvil: I think usually ppp is just emulated by phone software that talks to a serial port (real or virtual, like in bluetooth/usb) and pretends to be a Hayes-compatible modem... while the actual gsm chip doesn't do it and shouldn't have to03:44
cehtehits even more complicated than you expect03:46
cehtehthere is no 'gsm chip' thats rather a chipset with maybe 2-3 cpus/controler alone03:46
blizzowIs it possible to connect to a wireless access point using wpa-psk & wpa2-psk authentication and tkip+aes encryption with an N900?03:47
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blizzowcehteh, has that changed with the recent firmware updates?03:48
shinkamuiIm seriously considering another reflash03:49
shinkamuibattery life is pretty bad03:49
shinkamui19% at "idle"03:49
cehtehhuh no .. i used that when i had a device03:49
shinkamuiwith random hildon labeled processes spiking03:49
shinkamuion the plus side, I finally beat the first part of Jagged alliance 2.  Just took me 10 years03:49
villagerblizzow: don't think that has changed... so it's still possible...03:50
blizzowvillager: cool thanks.  I wasn't able to connect before the firmware update, but now I seem to be able to.  Awesome.03:51
shinkamuidid the upgrade to the conversations plugins help anyones battery life?03:51
shinkamuiIm going to switch back to that since it looks like the battery issue I have isn't actually helped by pidgin after all03:51
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* Arkenoi is switching from rss reader app to , seems like it works better and looks better ;-)03:54
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matthew-hey guys03:55
matthew-anyone using Blogger on your n900 ?03:55
matthew-and the blogging application ?03:55
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matthew-I would like to know that is the Account Name (as opposed to Username) when intputing the info.03:55
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GeneralAntillesmatthew-, same thing it means in your email client.04:02
shinkamuiI HATE web apps04:05
shinkamuiespecially on the N90004:05
shinkamuithen you're at the mercy of the slowness04:05
shinkamuimatthew-, im using MaStory04:06
shinkamuiworks pretty well for managing 2 wordpress blogs04:06
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shinkamuiimage upload isn't the best though04:06
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shinkamuidang, first time I've had the portrait mode bug, I was real excited at first, like damn  they added portrait to the SMS app too!?!?, but no, it was the bug.04:08
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matthew-GeneralAntilles: as in what?04:17
matthew-it cant log in04:17
matthew-shinkamui: cant get it wotking with blogger04:17
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shinkamuihaven't used blogger, I found MaStory to be more than sufficient04:20
shinkamuithe image issue is only an issue if you don't specify the dimensions.  A lot of smarter blogger apps will do that for you based on the theme and width04:20
shinkamuianyway, seems only to affect wordpress04:20
matthew-well i cant get it connect04:22
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matthew-as im dat ;d04:22
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matthew-the account name is admin i think04:22
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matthew-im getting now error getting the blog list04:26
matthew-"error getting the blog list"04:26
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matthew-yeah, not clicking.04:33
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shinkamuidamn it04:46
shinkamuiI created a new desktop icon04:46
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shinkamuiits not showing up04:46
shinkamuihow do you refresh icons manually04:46
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matthew-shinkamui: u better tell me how to fix the MyWord04:50
shinkamuifix what?04:51
matthew-the MyWord04:54
GeneralAntillesshinkamui, used to be you'd update the icon cache.04:56
GeneralAntillesNo more icon cache in PR1.1, however.04:57
GeneralAntillesSo, restart?04:57
microlith:( my phone's gone stupid and won't swap out of portrait mode04:57
shinkamuiwell, I suck again today GeneralAntilles04:57
shinkamuilooks like it WAS updating automatically04:57
GeneralAntillesmicrolith, restart.04:57
shinkamuijust wasn't falling into the correct category04:57
shinkamuishows up under all though04:57
shinkamuifiguring out why my categories don't work will be another fun task though04:58
timeless_mbpsomeone was complaining about a lack of a way to do copy from modest, right?04:58
timeless_mbpgtkhtml will provide a way to do copy for 1.204:58
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timeless_mbpwhich means there will be at least some slightly less hacky way of dealing w/ it04:58
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matthew-$5 to who solves my problem! :D04:59
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shinkamuiGeneralAntilles,  how would I execute or troubleshoot a .desktop link05:01
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shinkamuithe Exec= line runs fine in the terminal, but launcher eventually closes on me when I run the icon05:01
shinkamuiI'd like to see what its doing, but I dont know how to execute the shortcut or trace its execution from the cmd line.  is there a log I can look at?05:01
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timeless_mbpoh speaking of things that might be coming05:11
timeless_mbpit might someday be possible to send arbitrary files using bluetooth from the filemanager in some version of maemo5 :o05:12
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mtnbkr_any one else have issues with the k/b backlight not always coming on when screen is slid open on N900? is there currently a bug open05:22
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DocScrutinizer51timeless_mbp: the fact that filemanager doesn't know how to access files outside of MyDocs pretty much perverts the meaning of 'arbitrary'05:31
infobottimeless_mbp meant: it might someday be possible to send  files using bluetooth from the filemanager in some version of maemo5 :o05:31
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timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer51: what i meant was "files that aren't pictures (which you can send with images) or tracks/movies (which if you try hard enough you can send with Media Player)05:32
_andyi can't get my IMAP e-mail account to work. I ran tcpdump and found out that the client is attempting an SSLv2 handshake.. which the server may not accept. is there a way I can force it to use V3?05:32
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timeless_mbp_andy: um05:34
timeless_mbpwhat kind of connection did you pick?05:34
timeless_mbpif you chose Normal (TLS) you shouldn't be getting SSLv205:34
_andynaw.. its pop3s over port 995.05:34
_andythe TCP handshake is OK so I know the port its not a networking issue05:35
timeless_mbpusing an obsolete protocol and expecting decent behavior...05:35
DocScrutinizer51IMAP over POP3?? o.O05:35
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povbot`Bug 3728: Modest reports email username / password incorrect when it is correct05:37
timeless_mbpdescribes how to get some logging from something05:37
_andyty timeless_mbp05:39
T7gAngrybirds, 2-18 in one shot05:40
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_andyhmm.. nothing useful sadly..05:45
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_andyjust "failed to read valid greeting from pop server" which would make sense since the server isn't respoding to the SSLv2 handshake request05:45
shinkamuiangry birds was awesome, I just beat the  3rd map yesterday05:45
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DocScrutinizer51 is exactly to the point I've seen every now and then with Pr1.0 mailer. My suspicion was it's caused by a 'minpoll time 15Minutes' error I might get for reply from mailservice05:52
povbot`Bug 3728: Modest reports email username / password incorrect when it is correct05:52
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_andythanks DocScrutinizer51  this is exactly the behavior I am seeing06:01
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SpeedEvilIt was doing that a while back for me06:03
SpeedEvilWhen my hostname somehow got screwed up06:03
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SpeedEvilto sixteen nulls.06:03
DocScrutinizer51nah, comes and goes here. concurrent polling mail clients on other machines. clear case of interference.06:05
matthew-SpeedEvil: c'mon help me! :D06:05
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DocScrutinizer51the annoying part is maemo mailer doesn't know to 'read' the error details reported from server (POP3 btw fwiw) and reacts with the silly passwors dialog06:07
_andybed time then I guess.06:08
_andynn ty for infos06:08
DocScrutinizer51_andy: still I wonder how a IMAP account can be accessed via POP306:09
DocScrutinizer51Or did I get something wrong06:09
DocScrutinizer51043248 <_andy> i can't get my IMAP e-mail account to work.    043433 <timeless_mbp> what kind of connection did you pick?    043439 <_andy> pop3s06:11
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shinkamuipupnik,  around?06:22
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goodwillgarnetvm brings back memories07:56
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goodwilland it has handwriting recognition08:03
goodwilland it super slow08:03
goodwillto type up a word like that08:03
goodwilldoes anyone know how simulate F1 - F10 keys on n90008:05
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gks2001i am new to maemo.please tell me where to place .c file to compile it.08:09
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goodwillgks: anywhere?08:10
goodwillgks: that's a very stran08:11
goodwillgks: that's a very strange question08:11
goodwillgks: it is standard gcc .. same as everywhere08:14
gks2001i placed it in home directory.. but its giving that No such file or directory08:16
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goodwillgks2001: again the question makes no sense08:18
ShadowJKWell the N900 itself does not come with a c compiler installed08:23
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RST38hThere is FORTRAN installed as an easter egg though08:28
RST38hTo enable it, you have to rotate your N900 in counterclockwise direction 360 times08:28
sheepbatI knew those accelerometers were in there for a reason08:29
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goodwillRST38h: u just wait till soe writes fortran qt bindings ... then you will cry and cry ;)08:33
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LuciusMarehey, how it's going with the wront-terminal-keycode_sending?08:45
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LuciusMareimportant life leson08:51
LuciusMaredont code on wc08:51
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adeusdropped your laptop into the toilet?09:03
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adeusthat community thread in maemo-devel is a fun read09:11
adeusgood to see that ad hominem is alive and kicking :)09:11
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HukkaSpeaking of maemo-devel, do people really think that normal users will not upgrade their maemo fw?09:16
HukkaI think it's like saying that they won't update their desktops, since it happens OTA and there's a flashing icon all the time they won't do it. Very different from having to first find out that there is an update for their S60 phone and then reflashing with a computer.09:17
adeusno they don't09:18
adeusbut personally I just wouldn't give them new packages until they do09:18
HukkaWhile forcing users is usually bit bad, I think that making the upgrading the path of least resistance is good for the experience too; less bugs, crashes and reboots.09:19
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Corsacwell, they're not forced, they are forced *if they want to install/upgrade extra applications”09:20
Corsacno problem imho09:20
Corsacif they stay with only the original applications, no problem, they can stay with 42-1109:21
HukkaEverything is updating these days. Games have done that for ages, and I think they are updating even devices classified as appliances (consoles at least, but even bluray players have Internet...)09:21
HukkaCorsac: I'm not thinking really forcing, but something like a reminder when booting. A dialog that says "updates available". At least for the main fw.09:21
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HukkaAhhahahaha :D. Jeff asking who the hell is the current ISP. Answer: Logica :)09:39
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Stskeepswell, any idiot could have digged that up with a 'whois'09:40
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HukkaWell yeah, but that's not the point. The point was that I didn't particularily care about it before, but now it's painfully clear where things started to go wrong.09:40
HukkaLogica, fail :)09:40
Stskeepsin .dk, it's IBM of all things that has a bad reputation09:41
HukkaStskeeps: At least that's an american company. Over here the worst screwups are patently local players09:42
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HukkaI can understand (well, somewhat understand) that the goverment keeps shooting it's own leg time after time, since there's nothing much better in here, but Nokia shouldn't have the stupid sentimentality of buying finnish services, when they are worthless09:43
HukkaAnd I'm sure most of users are not finns either...09:43
Stskeepslogica exists in .dk too though, but not sure if it's same company09:44
adeusLogica is a uk company09:44
adeusfailure is universal :)09:45
mecewell put09:45
HukkaIt is? Wow, I guess they have just bought quite many Finnish companies, then09:45
StskeepsHukka: then again you have to appreciate a company you can sling finnish curses at, difficult to do with international companies ;)09:45
HukkaOver the years quite many services over here have changed brands over to that, and gone down the cliff09:45
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HukkaWell, at least Tunaattori, I mean Tieto is still completely our fault :)09:46
meceHukka, what did they do/screw?09:46
Hukkaadeus: Do you know how integrated they are? was particularily hosted by logica.fi09:47
Hukkamece: Fortunately for others, mostly just municipial and goverment projects09:47
adeusbeing a hosting company, I would hope they have nodes in many places09:47
HukkaThough there are some examples of other companies folding, because their IT upgrade costs exploded under Tieto09:47
StskeepsHukka: well, logica is the new hosting, not sure who old hosting was09:48
* mece has been "chatting" all morning without reading that he should identify before his messages are seen... *awkward*09:48
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Wolfiegoddamn freenode09:49
adeusyeah09:49 works well comparet to this :)09:49
meceWolfie, Åbo Akademi O.O09:49
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Wolfiecouldn't talk because i wasn't identified. but I couldn't change my nick because i couldn't talk at #maemo09:49
Wolfiemece: indeed09:49
Hukkamece: I suppose I could give endless examples, but Tieto is responsible from things ranging from travel expenses programs to the botched electronic voting pilot09:50
meceHukka, ok... I guess I haven't been paying attention09:50
HukkaThey really try to do everything that the goverment needs IT for...09:50
WolfieHukka: it's not much to try. Give the lowest bid and they're forced to take you. Since you underbid yourself, you don't have the resources to do the job properly, leading to the lucrative business of failing09:51
HukkaWolfie: Except that it seems that underbidding doesn't prevent overrunning...09:52
Wolfieso, in practie, the finnish law guarantees any bid-based systems to be crap09:52
HukkaSo they actually produce crap, but get paid for it decently09:52
WolfieHukka: of course not. That's just a bid. The budget can still be exceeded, leading to financial interestingness09:52
HukkaI'd like to hear if they've ever done a succesfull project09:52
Wolfiethe Sampo bank migration?09:53
Wolfieoh, no. wait09:53
Wolfiei give up :)09:53
HukkaWolfie: That was theirs too?09:53
meceI actually think that was some danish peeps09:53
Hukkamece: Well the new owners are danish. Hard to say who handled the migration09:53
WolfieHukka: afaik, yes. Along with IBM09:53
Wolfiecan't say about the particulars, though. I guess wikipedia would know this too :)09:53
mecefun times09:54
HukkaBut anyway, I have the feeling that there's a bunch of companies that specialize in knowing nothing and offering everything, thus handling all the public infrastructure projects09:54
HukkaBut for the love of all that is holy, I can't understand why any commercial entity, that is not forced to go for the lowest bid, would want anything to do with them.09:54
Stskeepson the other hand, it's hard to find any ISP that does not have some person disliking them09:55
HukkaStskeeps: But at least choose one that has managed to do something right :)09:55
HukkaPreferably something, that is actually an ISP as their core business09:56
meceso anyone actually know wtf is up with tmo or are we just guessing?09:56
HukkaLogica is one of those companies that agrees to do anything, if asked for the price09:56
Hukka(Withour actually knowing how)09:56
Stskeepsmece: tmo is hosted somewhere else than the rest of site09:56
WolfieHukka: because they have money to spend09:56
WolfieHukka: i can't divulge any details, but I'm in a project with one of those integrators that seem to have money for projects but no interest or skill to drive one09:57
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meceStskeeps, I know, but do we know if stuff is being worked on to get it online and whatnot?09:57
Stskeepsmece: Reggie's domain09:57
Wolfiethey pay well, so it's profitable for subcontractors to get paid09:57
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mecehaha twitter: @RevdKathy is t.m.o down? I've got the shakes already. #n90009:57
Stskeepsmece: but yeah, not getting my TMO fix is making me twitchy09:57
adeusworks here09:58
HukkaWolfie: You'd think that nobody has that much money, that if they are interested enough to bother actually paying for something, they wouldn't want it to succeed with somewhat large likelyhood09:58
meceirt's up!09:58
HukkaAnd you just can't find any good references to Tieto or Logica, I think...09:58
HukkaThe best are something like "It worked, if you didn't sneeze on it, and only costed 50% extra"09:59
WolfieHukka: you'd think that, yes09:59
HukkaIt's beyond me how someone with such a irresponsible attitude ever managed to get their hands on such a big pile of money09:59
Wolfiebut it seems like once they sell only a few units (which are _huge_ units, btw), they have covered the development costs already, so they don't have to care about quality10:00
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meceHukka, Wolfie, there are some companies that invest a lot in marketing and have excellent sales people, that people "trust" and go to even though their services are shit.10:00
Wolfiei think it's a problem of having too big an organization. The left hand doesn't know that the right hand doesn't really care, and wants to go home10:01
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mecelike tieto10:01
Hukkamece: How can you market something, when you can't give a single example of doing things right...? I personally wonder if it's all about just hiring people from the goverment and cities into the company, so that they will then sell the sw back to their old friends.10:02
meceHukka, it takes skill :)10:02
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meceif you just give them the screenshots and leave out the bad stuff, it all sounds very good -> papers are signed.10:03
HukkaThere's an error in the world!10:03
meceno kiddin10:04
HukkaThis is not a good way to start a day; to think these thoughts :/10:04
StskeepsHukka: it's the darkness of finnish winter that does that to you10:04
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HukkaI have a alarm light.10:04
HukkaThough I didn't sleep next to it last night...10:05
lcukStskeeps, this morning itsn ot the darkness thats a problem, its just brassic10:05
lcukthe sun is up and its a lovely "brisk" morning10:05
Stskeepsit's supposed to be -24 in windchill here in poland today10:05
mecebrisk as in fecking cold?10:05
Stskeepsi still wonder if HEL will feel colder than warsaw or not.10:05
HukkaThe weather feels weird. Last evening it was only -10, but I could have sworne it was below -1510:05
HukkaEven breathing in seemed harsh10:06
adeusit's -20 right now10:06
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Hukka-16 in Espoo10:06
meceStskeeps, nice. It's only -11 here in Tku10:06
HukkaStskeeps: We don't even think about the windchill. We are next to the sea...10:06
HukkaIt's there, always10:06
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StskeepsHukka: yeah, i come from denmark originally so the climate there is different10:06
meceStskeeps, HEL? I always considered it rather neutral in temperature. Slightly cool.10:07
oilinki+31.3 in Phuket :)10:07
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Hukkaoilinki: Wouldn't trade for that10:07
Stskeepslcuk: got any pictures from HEL uploaded btw?10:08
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Stskeepsjust wondering how bad it -actually- is10:08
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* mece is thinking of an entirely different hel, apparently.10:08
HukkaMarius Vollmer is my hero10:08
oilinkiHukka: I did and would not trade back :)10:09
HukkaHe says the right thing for those people, and he's not an outsider10:09
meceStskeeps, I was thinking of Loki's daughter's place.10:09
Hukkaoilinki: Actually this winter is decent in Newland. I'm from Karelia, and so far all the winters have been bleak and awful10:10
Stskeepsmece: well, Hel is freezing over due to Nokia going to be having ogg and flac support in harmattan, so it might be10:10
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Hukkaoilinki: -20 -- -25 in winter, +20 -- +25 in summer. That's the best temerature :)10:10
Stskeepsi still think the best application for maemo is the weather applet example that constantly shows 35 C in helsinki.10:11
ifreqyeah its tropical in here atm.10:12
oilinkiHukka: since I moved to SEA there has not been an reason to look for weather forecasts and temperatures. Always decent weather. Sometimes rains. But I would love to import the Loong Finnish summerdays  here.10:12
X-FadeUgh, sorry for the spam on the extras-cauldron-builds list :(10:14
adeusin Hawaii, there weather forecast only told the wave heights10:14
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meceStskeeps, are they having ogg in harmattan?10:14
Stskeepsmece: seems so10:14
Stskeepsmece: look at the ogg bug10:15
meceStskeeps, nice.10:15
oilinkiis the free nokia navigation confirmed somewhere already?10:15
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meceHmm, "ogg" is from pratchett, right?10:15
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Wolfiedoesn't the librarian say "ook"?10:16
mecehmm, ok. I'm not a pratcheteer, so I don't know. I just had a feeling it was from pratchett. I guess not.10:16
StskeepsX-Fade: BTW, are you reverting to 1.0 or 1.0.1?10:17
peturhe does10:17
X-FadeStskeeps: Maemo5 update2 to be exact.10:17
mecemoar tea!10:17
StskeepsX-Fade: excellent, then i don't need to be doing tricks for the themers finally building themes using source packages :)10:18
Stskeeps(hildon-theme-layout-5 is in there and hildon-theme-tools)10:18
X-FadeBut I hop to find some time to experiment with the things Marius proposed.10:18
X-FadeBasically we only see issues in libosso, gstreamer and sharing, as fas I can see now.10:19
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lcukStskeeps, no i havent setup any sharing services up10:19
X-FadeAlthough the sharing one is the hardest one as it wasn't available in earier versions.10:20
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Stskeepsactually sharing-plugin -lib- was10:21
Stskeepsjust not -dev10:21
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X-FadeAh, well then that should theoretically not be a problem :)10:21
mecedid you read Texrat's blog post?10:21
Stskeepsmece: yes, had to do something while tmo is down10:22
Stskeepsgah, this is going to be a long day10:22
Stskeepsmigrating 7k worth of mail from my uni account10:22
guerbytimeless_mbp, hi again, did you get a chance to test on google maps with right click yesterday?10:22
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Stskeepswoo, tmo is back up10:36
HukkaStskeeps: How does that take long?10:37
HukkaStskeeps: You don't sort your mail by content, do you :?10:37
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StskeepsHukka: well, i'm moving them one by one :P10:38
Stskeepsthat came out wrong10:38
Stskeepsi move them using thunderbird copy, mark, transfer10:38
lcukCTRL+A, DELETE10:38
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Stskeepslcuk: i did consider that10:39
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lcukive still got backup of my homefolder from college10:39
lcuktucked away inside a backup of my first home pc10:39
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Stskeepsi rarely delete data10:40
Stskeepsexcept when lost10:40
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Stskeepslike when i dropped my friggen backup hd on concrete floor in midst of server migratio10:40
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HukkaStskeeps: Er, why?10:41
HukkaStskeeps: Why not just move them all at the same time?10:42
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StskeepsHukka: misunderstood me, i am :P10:44
Stskeepsit just takes time cos i have to do a roundtrip dk-pl-gmail10:44
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HukkaHmh, I don't get it. It seems like a simple "mark all", "move all marked" command to me10:45
HukkaThough I don't use Thuunderbird, so I'm not sure what the commands are exactly10:45
Stskeepsit is, but it just takes time to complete10:46
Stskeepsand between two IMAP accounts10:46
HukkaShouldn't take more than 15 minutes. Slow connection?10:46
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Stskeepsprobably. eastern european country :P10:47
Stskeepseither way, 6000/7400 atm10:47
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JaffaMorning, all11:04
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timeless_mbpHukka: upgrades of browsers on leading edge iirc are in the 95% range. on the trailing edge for firefox it's 75%, on the trailing edge for IE it's well, not done.11:11
timeless_mbpguerby: hold shift11:11
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guerbytimeless_mbp, ok this does work thx! so I screwed up my testing of modifiers yesterday...11:13
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prontohaha, lighthtpp does11:13
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Hukkatimeless_mbp: Do you mean between versions, or bugfixes?11:15
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timeless_mbpHukka: have *any* finnish ISPs done *anything* right?11:16
timeless_mbpHukka: between releases11:16
Hukkatimeless_mbp: Does funet count :?11:16
timeless_mbpincluding minors11:16
timeless_mbpHukka: dunno, you're the one w/ stories11:16
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Hukkatimeless_mbp: Well, so far it's been fine, but it's not really a commercial entity11:17
pronto >.>  is being run from my n900 xD11:17
Hukkapronto: Is that also your only phone :?11:17
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prontonah, why?11:18
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prontoi'm just bored and messing around with tings11:18
Hukkatimeless_mbp: I think that the fair comparison for maemo are FF autoupdates. There you get a window telling about updates and it's as simple to accept as to cancel them11:18
HukkaAnd if you cancel, you get them later again11:18
timeless_mbplcuk: you still in HEL? i wanna say hello11:19
Hukkapronto: Was just wondering if dossing that down will prevent you from taking calls11:19
prontoat 4am i doubt i'm going to get calls11:19
Hukkapronto: And that dossing N900 is probably so easy that it can happen with a very small slashdot-effect11:19
prontoits not like its staying up, i'm just playing around11:19
prontoalso, webservers used to run on a lot slower hardware then then n900 has11:21
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timeless_mbpHukka: i'm a mozillan roughly speaking before i'm a nokian11:22
timeless_mbpthose numbers i tossed out really are Firefox numbers11:22
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mecegaah why is twitter being spammed with new firmware for N900??11:23
Hukkatimeless_mbp: What do those numbers actually mean? That 75% of FF2 users have never updated their browser since the initial install?11:23
timeless_mbpHukka: i think the number is adoption at a given minor release11:24
timeless_mbpand i think 75% is uptake on the ff3.0.x series11:24
timeless_mbpso 25% haven't updated from ff3.0.x to ff3.0.y where x = y - 111:24
timeless_mbpff2 is EOL11:25
timeless_mbpit doesn't mean they'll never update11:25
timeless_mbpbut, .11:25
timeless_mbpwell, Nokia is funny11:25
timeless_mbpa colleague's Firefox was 3.0.611:25
timeless_mbpcurrent is 3.0.16 iirc11:25
timeless_mbpthere are installers in the automated system for 3.5.4 and 3.5.611:26
timeless_mbp(neither are current)11:26
HukkaLemme guess, the updates should come from Tivoli?11:26
timeless_mbpnokia's systems of course are locked11:26
timeless_mbpused to. we replaced Tivoli w/ something else11:26
HukkaOh, ok11:26
HukkaHaven't been in Nokia since 200411:26
timeless_mbpthe something else is Java based (bad fonts, bad pictures Java)11:26
timeless_mbpbut basically the geniuses don't push updates11:27
timeless_mbpoh, and i tried to use it to upgrade his wXP system to Office 200711:27
Shrik3ah, nokia IT admins, how I *don't* miss them =)11:27
timeless_mbpthe download is ~1.5gb afaik11:27
timeless_mbpit thought it had downloaded and installed11:27
timeless_mbpafaict, it didn't11:28
Shrik3if the managers didn't know how to game the system, no one would get their job done ever11:28
timeless_mbpso now it thinks he has 2007 installed :)11:28
meceomg how my N900 needs a webcomic widget11:28
timeless_mbpmece: heh11:28
Hukkamece: Hey, that's a good idea11:28
timeless_mbpoh, did i mention, Java is / was out of date on his system?11:28
Hukkamece: Do you want to make one, or just test one?11:28
meceI was looking at porting the kde one, but I can't seem to find the time (or the skills)11:28
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HukkaHm, port...11:29
HukkaI was thinking about just making one11:29
meceit's Qt11:29
Stskeepsmorning andre__11:29
meceHukka, yes, that would be easier.11:29
HukkaYeah, I would go for Qt too11:29
andre__Stskeeps, heja11:29
Hukkamece: Also I think that the port wouldn't be so nice11:29
mecefuckit, hardcoded xkcd widget !11:29
Hukkamece: touch scrolling and fitted to just the right resolution11:29
mecewell I guess you don't really need to scroll.11:30
Hukkamece: But I was thinking more about a real reader app, how would you envision the widget?11:30
mecelemme draw it up.11:30
Hukkamece: Just update notification, or something that actually shows comics on the desktop?11:30
meceactually shows it.11:30
HukkaAnd portrait mode!11:31
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Hukka(Since some comics are actually longer than wider, the 2x2 format, not the 1x3 format)11:31
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ifreqanyone got random dns/route issues with n90011:33
meceI was thinking a combo, of scrollable fullscreen (aw fukit, launch browser for that) and a readable thumbnail.11:33
ifreqlast time i had when connecting to 3G.. now same occurred when connecting to home wifi11:33
ifreqand both are tested and usually work okay.11:34
ifreqcant get idea what the problem could be :P11:34
Hukkamece: Actually I was thinking more about the fullscreen app, since the browser isn't that nice11:34
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Hukkamece: Lot's of screen estate is wasted on the navigation etc with comics11:34
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Hukkamece: I'd quite like the possibility to just move to next and previous strip by just kinetic scrolling11:35
HukkaAlso the app could preload the next/previous comics, and I think you might get quit a smooth experience11:35
meceHukka, kinetic scrolling on widgets is not a good idea. Well up/down I guess. but we could have buttons.11:36
timeless_mbpis awesome11:36 we're currently suffering from fpu things11:36
Hukkamece: I don't mean a continious scroll, but more like a swiping gesture11:36
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HukkaI guess I used the wrong term to what I meant11:36
meceHukka, yeah, but that's still how you move from desktop to desktop...11:37
Hukkamece: That's what I was thinking11:37
HukkaNo need to hit a particular button, just swipe for the next "page"11:37
Gadgetoid_iMac"Nokia makes worldwide walk and drive navigation free on smartphones"11:37
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Stskeepsn900 is a computer, obviously11:38
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meceHukka, but I mean if it's a widget, swiping will cause you not to move to next desktop, but to view next comic11:39
Gadgetoid_iMacn900 needs some love, too!11:39
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Hukkamece: Do you really want to read comics in some 100x50 widget?11:39
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Hukkamece: I was talking about the fullscreen app11:40
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meceHukka, we obviously need both :)11:51
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meceHukka, I want this:
Hukkamece: I'm just having troubles grasping this, but why would you want to read it in a widget instead of full screen?11:52
meceHukka, with click to embiggen11:52
HukkaWidgets are nice for things that you can glance on, but comics are not really like that11:52
meceHukka, because I don't want to klick to see it. If I wanted that I could just add the bookmark.11:53
mecenow I can just go "oh, a new xkcd! nice!11:53
meceand if it's big, I can click to read it11:53
Hukkamece: Ok, so you want it to show only unread comics?11:53
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ifreqmece: isnt that the way of rss feeds :P11:57
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ifreqseems to offer that one. tryed it?11:58
meceHukka, no just the latest, unless I browse.
meceifreq, what do you mean?11:59
ifreqthose are usually done via rss feeds11:59
meceifreq, quite.11:59
ifreqjust need widget on nXXX to red it11:59
adeuslistening to Belphegor I see11:59
ifreqxkcd atleast seems to offer feeds on their site11:59
meceifreq, exactly11:59
meceadeus \,,/11:59
ifreqmece: ah i thought there is reader allrdy12:00
meceifreq, no, it's a mockup12:00
meceifreq, it's what I want.12:00
meceHukka, you make the app, I'll make the widget, then combine?12:00
meceis python widgets still a nono?12:02
ifreqmece: okay understood12:03
* Arkenoi still has ff2 on a platform that cannot update12:03
timeless_mbpArkenoi: which platform is that?12:03
Arkenoitimeless_mbp, hp-ux pa-risc12:04
thresh'cannot' means 'there are no updated available' :P12:04
timeless_mbp ?12:04
infobotthresh meant: 'cannot' means 'there are no updates available' :P12:04
timeless_mbpwhich version of hp-ux do you have?12:05
Arkenoithresh: well, newer version requires newer gtk, newer gtk uses different input method and different input method is not compatible with X server's way to hadle russian keyboard12:05
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timeless_mbpyour claim is kinda misleading12:06
meceffs! wiki is busted12:06
timeless_mbpff3 is available for your platform12:06
timeless_mbpit could update12:06
Arkenoiso that effectively means no working update is available12:06
timeless_mbpyou just don't want to because of something else12:06
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Arkenoiit could, but it is unusable12:06
Arkenoiso i am stuck with old version12:06
timeless_mbpwhose xserver is this btw?12:06
Arkenoii probably need an itanic machine to install 11iV312:07
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timeless_mbpit sounds like the hp-ux equiv of Xsun12:07
Arkenoitimeless, HP's own version of xfree86 which is not really xfree8612:07
* timeless_mbp nods12:07
timeless_mbpi presume Xorg doesn't support your card-thing12:07
Arkenoimaybe. the card is pretty generic but replacing X server may lead to more problems. the input device drivers on HP-UX are non-standard.12:09
Arkenoiand it is too much a mess for just upgrading firefox ;-)12:10
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meceI think I'll get crackin on this comic widget thing. Don't hold your breath though, I have a full time job and 4 small kids...12:12
Hukkamece: Could work on it, yeah, once I finish this one12:13
HukkaWell, finish... get it working for normal people12:13
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Hukkamece: Four kids... you sure like a busy life12:13
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meceHukka, got triplets, so I don't have four kids by choice.12:15
HukkaOh, wow12:15
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anidelmorning everyone12:21
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lucentmorning. about bloody time that I figured out how to hop onto ssh screen irssi session from my N90012:21
lucentwould be nice to cherrypick packages from testing or devel12:23
lucentI am wanting the new ogg support so that tags will be read from flac12:24
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lucentis there an "Alt" in the X Terminal? i.e. for Alt+n to switch irssi views12:28
lucentfabulous. thank you Fatal12:29
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ifreqesc-a for next active window12:29
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pupnikor control-n for next window12:31
pupnik@ lucent12:32
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Oli``What's happened to
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chem|stmece: int..eresting12:53
odin_It works!12:54
odin_right on admin12:54
chem|stlooks like the discussion of two wikipedia admins "You cant delete the main page!"..."Sure I can, I show you!"..."WTF, you deleted the wiki mainpage?!?"..."I said I can..."12:55
odin_any uses of BeagleBoard or IGEPv2 ?  I am looking at the IGEPv2 it seems like a mini N900 on a board (all be it slighly diff chipset)12:56
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FIQSeems like the server has the default apache files12:56
chem|stodin_: I thought about using 4 of those to build a cluster...12:56
odin_I'm sure they will undelete it soon, wiki has undo history12:57
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chem|stmmh someone said "yes" when asked while upgradeing "Do you wnat to replace the modified with the maintainers file"12:57
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chem|stodin_: maemo main page is not part of the wiki... and FIQ allready said, looks like apache configs replaced12:58
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Oli``Whatever its cause, it looks like another in a long line of maintenance cock ups. My cat could run it better than it's been for the last couple of weeks.12:59
odin_the FIQ ?13:00
FIQi'm not a thing, i'm a person. :<13:00
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chem|stodin_: what your language ;)13:02
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chem|stodin_: watch your language ;)13:02
chem|stshould that say... I'm highly disturbed by work, I should quit here and become a professional IRC idler13:02
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ifreqanyone else have this same prob ?13:04
povbot`Bug 8133: dnsmasq segfaults when connecting to a certain WLAN AP13:04
odin_maybe also install crash-reporter from devtools13:05
odin_so the SEGV is uploaded back to mothership13:05
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pupnik_best bug report i've seen in a long time ifreq13:08
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odin_its just a shame by default the necessary tooling to run gdb and get crash dumps is not available very easily on the N900, so all Nokia can expect is a "this doesn't work for me" report13:10
ifreqpupnik_: too bad its not made by me :P but hope it gets solved soon *g*13:11
ifreqpupnik_: theres been some strange problems with DNS resolv after pr1.113:11
odin_ifreq, can you cuild a debugging version of dnsmasq ?13:11
ifreqodin_: unfortunately not, i dont know exact steps howto proceed. (not developer) :(13:12
odin_dpkg -l dnsmasq, are you on 55-1 so have dnsmasq=2.35-1osso11+etch4+0m513:14
ifreqaha okay13:16
ifreqim on 55-1 yeah13:16
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pupnik_wb javispedro !13:21
javispedromorn pupnik_13:21
pupnik_   almost doesn't suck13:22
pupnik_- screen too small,  - no user-changeable-battery - unknown openness of OS13:22
chem|st"almost doesnt suck" nices13:23
javispedrotoo expensive13:23
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javispedroI can get a x86 laptop for half the price and that also reaches 10h of battery (well, _almost_)13:23
alteregodoes anyone know where the scroll toggle in xterm went?13:24
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javispedrooh, ovi maps should have free navigation on other phones now13:26
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alteregothe icon has been replaced with ctrl :(13:26
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ifreqseems my pr1.1 is missing all /var/run/resolv.conf*interface files13:26
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ifreqlike on the bug too13:26
javispedroalterego: it doesn't appear until there's something to scroll13:26
ifreqwhats the benefit on dnsmasq on mobile device?13:27
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alteregojavis, oh, so it is kinda related to me scree session :) thanks13:31
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chem|stjavispedro: an x86 laptop with 10h battery life? show me...13:32
javispedrochem|st: a crapbook. though, to be honest, it won't be 5'.13:33
Nitialnokia booklet says even 12h ;)13:33
odin_ifreq, the current version of dnsmasq is: 2.45-1+lenny1  but N900 ships with 2.35-1osso11+etch4+0m5 maybe a refresh is better... Nokia removes their bespoke patches (if any) and updates the base package and reapplies their stuff13:34
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timeless_mbpmy digibox's power supply was "faulty"13:35
timeless_mbpso they've "serviced" it13:35
* timeless_mbp goes to pick up a refurbished digibox13:35
timeless_mbpoh, no, if i do this, i'll miss lunch13:36
hendryi enabled extras on my new n900 and i search for ssh and I can't find any 'ssh' package. what am i doing wrong?13:36
timeless_mbpoh well :)13:36
timeless_mbphendry: how are you 'searching' and in which version?13:36
hendryhey there timeless_mbp btw, don't see you on w3c stuff much anymore13:36
timeless_mbpbecause the "new" ham search is stupidy13:36
timeless_mbpit searches app names only and only from the beginning of the string13:36
timeless_mbphendry: i'm dazed sadly13:36
timeless_mbpi think there's a call today, but i need things in my calendar or i miss them13:37
hendrytimeless_mbp: i tried 'openssh' and 'ssh'. brand new n900, not sure how to find the version13:37
timeless_mbpsettings>about (product)13:37
hendrycrikey, er 1.2009.44-1.203.413:37
ifreqodin_: atm im running 2.35-1osso11+etch4+0m5 even i have pr1.113:38
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chem|stjavispedro: I mean another... with fully crypted hdd and several tweaks I get about 6 or 7h out of my samsung, lately tested with watching movies while on a train for 4.3h and had about 1h left13:39
timeless_mbphendry: you want to update to 51-113:39
timeless_mbpapp manager should offer it in 'updates' ...13:39
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ifreqodin_: ah okay.. need to wait patch then :-P13:39
timeless_mbpbut be warned, some version of ham makes searching incredibly stupid :)13:39
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timeless_mbpi don't remember if it's 44-1, 51-1, or later13:40
timeless_mbp(later = something you'll get the next time we release)13:40
hendrytimeless_mbp: ok, will update now13:40
odin_ifreq, I've added to the bug report13:41
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timeless_mbpoh brother13:42
* timeless_mbp kicks self13:42
timeless_mbptrying to do an 'alpha' search for '%' doesn't work very well13:43
hendryhmm, unable to update 'tutorial-home-applet'. not very polished, eh? :)13:43
hendrytimeless_mbp: conflict with maemo 51 with 'tutorial-home-applet' when updating. i just clicked 'yes' and moved on13:44
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timeless_mbphrm, i bet we can't save the log13:45
timeless_mbpsince it's going to reboot13:45
* timeless_mbp grumbles13:45
timeless_mbpyou're the first person i've heard to have that problem13:45
* hendry doesn't undestand these "AP news installer" packages. Why would I want to install an installer.13:45
timeless_mbpthe installer packages are typically preinstalled13:45
timeless_mbpthey're just items in the launcher in 'more...'13:46
alteregothey're there by default.13:46
timeless_mbpthe sad thing is that there are updates available to them :)13:46
Jaffatimeless_mbp: BTW, did you ever raise a hildon-desktop wrapping label bug?13:46
timeless_mbpsorry, please do it13:47
rangehendry: So the installer can install the installable package.13:47
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pupnik_ i'm surprised nobody seems to be using synergy to test stuff on n90013:47
pupnik_current structure of -testing / qa discourages frequent releases, no?13:48
timeless_mbppupnik_: i think so13:48
timeless_mbpand yeah, i've been meaning to consider synergy13:48
timeless_mbpplease lemme know if it's available13:48
pupnik_would you prefer the quicksynergy with gui or the cmdline13:49
timeless_mbpi keep wanting to use my mbp's keyboard to type into my n900 when it's "docked" in front of my screen :)13:49
timeless_mbpi've *never* used synergy13:49
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timeless_mbpit'd be kinda neat if the led could glow in some color when my "mouse" is on top of the n900 :)13:50
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alteregotimeless_mbp: I used to have that all the time with the N8X013:52
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timeless_mbpi didn't have a mbp then :)13:52
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Stskeepshey RevdKathy13:55
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pupnik_i'd like a semitransparent popup keyboard like the yellow clutter notifications (volume control) for xkbd13:58
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pupnik_customized with different user-layouts and strings, for an overlay ontop of sdl games/emulators.  click button, tap custom-key to send x event to sdl13:59
VDVsxfrals, congrats, glad to see nokia helping you :D14:01
lupine_85ooh, is down..14:02
Stskeepslupine_85: works for me14:02
VDVsxsame here (working)14:02
lupine_85I just get "We're having some difficulties. Please try again in a few minutes."14:02
Stskeepswell, does14:02
* pupnik_ pokes javispedro with ↖↑↗14:02
* javispedro hides14:03
timeless_mbphendry: i'm a bad juggler and one of my incoming balls caused me to drop that one...14:03
fralsVDVsx: thanks :)14:03
* timeless_mbp isn't sure if it was mercurial, or something else14:03
lupine_85haha. so is down, is up14:03
Stskeepsjavispedro: any news from your side re MBX drivers? i requested ability to make a WSEGL as that might do the trick14:03
lupine_85that's a bit opposite14:04
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javispedroStskeeps: no, no work done :(14:04
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Stskeepsjavispedro: neither here14:05
Stskeepsjavispedro: i submitted patch tree to girish and now waiting for an answer if he has a shrinkwrap yet14:05
javispedrohopefully a non xorg borking one :)14:06
adeusargh need to conf my dosbox14:06
adeushard to play commander keen without alt :)14:06
Stskeepsjavispedro: well, i asked if we can write our own WSEGL as that seems to give us enough data to tell it where to render things :P14:06
pupnik_hard to map a 101-key keyboard to n90014:07
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, Synergy worked well in Diablo, I'm assuming you could just install the daemon for Fremantle if QuickSynergy isn't cooperative.14:08
timeless_mbpi'd need a howto14:08
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timeless_mbpsince i've never done it :)14:08
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GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, this is pretty good:
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GeneralAntillesDon't think there are any synergy packages available for Fremantle, though.14:09
GeneralAntillesWhere's qwerty12 when you need him?14:09
Stskeepshopefully having a college girlfriend and getting good grades14:10
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, something makes me doubt it. ;)14:10
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: if it was possible for me to find someone who would marry me, i bet qwerty12 could get a gf :P14:10
VDVsxGeneralAntilles, he's hang around at TMO14:11
Remositimeless, hrm, theres an old package called x2x14:11
Remosithat I use from time to time14:11
Remosithat doesn't even need to run on the N90014:11
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Remosialthough that's probably true of synergy too -- ssh -X <remotehost> from the N90014:12
Remosithen connect to that display14:12
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redis there any turn-by-turn navigation software for N900?14:13
Oli``red: did you just see the news that Ovi maps is going to include TBT for free?14:14
SpeedEvil1Not really.14:14
xorAxAxred: maemo mapper14:14
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xorAxAxOli``: where?14:14
Oli``red: No idea when that'll ever hit the n90014:14
SpeedEvilIt's more a licensing thing than anything else.14:14
SpeedEvilIt costs more to license the maps if you do turn by turn14:15
Oli``But yeah, if that ever makes it to the n900, it'll be superawesome14:15
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redOli``: ah yeah14:15
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Oli``Ha! Nokia owns Navteq! That'll simplify the licensing =)14:16
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Shapeshifterthat thing should definetely hit the n900.14:19
Shapeshifterwould be daft if it didn't.14:19
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alteregonot really  impressed with the new maps application14:25
StskeepsOvi Maps PR1.0 or PR1.1?14:25
StskeepsPR1.0 is utter shite14:25
matthew-pr1.1 isnt better14:25
Oli``maps was updated in the latest firmware?14:25
nomismatthew-: it is better, just not very much.14:26
alteregoI'm on the latest firmware14:26
matthew-i installed maps for 'offline' use, and it's still well, lets just say useless.14:26
Stskeepsmatthew-: Maep is the altenraitve14:26
nomismaep is beautifully simple.14:27
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alteregoit seems to destroy performance with the rest of the device. no 3D view14:27
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matthew-Stskeeps: i don't know Maep14:27
alteregotakes ages to load and you're stuck staring at the loading screen. doesn't have any satelite status info14:28
Stskeepsmatthew-: worth getting to know14:28
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fralswonder whats best for not getting lost in HEL, ovi maps or maep? :P14:29
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Shapeshifter ?14:30
Shapeshifter"Arshia Varlet (Nokia): The N900 will be added to list of compatible devices soon"14:30
Shapeshifterso you don't have to click.14:31
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Stskeepsfrals: i precached Maep14:32
Stskeepsfrals: what hotel are you at?14:32
fralsuh, something in the centre of hel, sec14:32
fralsklaus k hotel14:32
Stskeepsdon't know it :P14:33
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Stskeepseither way, just run maep over some places and it caches it14:33
Stskeepsin the later versions14:33
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pupnik_i really like till's designs14:34
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fralsStskeeps: thanks, ill do that :)14:35
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TomaszDkulve, are you going to promote the 1.0.6-rc1 package to extras-testing?14:36
alteregomaep is nice, for what it is.14:36
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alteregothe trak log feaure I,ve been after for a while14:36
kulveTomaszD: nope14:37
TomaszDkulve, ok14:37
kulveTomaszD: I'll add couple of other fixes, and after some testing push 1.0.6 to extras-testing14:37
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ifreqodin_: nice :)14:37
TomaszDkulve, because my package depends on it and now I can't promote :)14:37
TomaszDI'll revert to 1.0.514:37
kulveyeah, depend on that, if you don't explicitly want the flac tag support14:38 tracker14:38
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TomaszDkulve, once 1.0.6 gets released, but decoders-support pulled 1.0.5, will users get notified?14:39
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alteregono speed indicator though, and still no sat status. i think I'll write a desktop plugin which shows gps sat status.14:40
kulveTomaszD: yes14:40
TomaszDalright, so it's not a big problem14:40
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adeusoh yeah14:42
adeuskeymap worked14:42
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Stskeepshey jebba, welcome back to civilization ;)14:43
ifreqStskeeps: on which definition this chan is near civilization?14:43
jebbaheh. getting on another plane in like 10 min... ;)14:43
Stskeepsifreq: compared to maemo-developers at the moment, this is like hawaii on a good warm day.14:43
ifreqgood point14:44
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, try not to slip on the bile.14:44
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matthew-Hey, I'm getting an error when try to add new account on MaStory.14:45
matthew-I use my google account as my username, and the password is correct for sure ant it gives me back "Error getting the blog list" .14:45
matthew-Any idea why?14:45
ifreqwhich blog youre trying to connect?14:45
matthew-oh, sorry, its Blogger.14:46
SpeedEvilI would install tcpdump.14:46
TomaszDare password case-sensitive? maybe the field capitalizes your password's first letter14:46
SpeedEviland check things otu that way14:46
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matthew-TomaszD: Checked it, and no it doesnt.14:46
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_berto_anyone with an N900 locked to a carrier?14:52 very fast now - nice work14:52
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* hendry is still waiting for the maemo update to apply. scary how long it's taking.14:54
matthew-hendry: yeah, 30mins14:54
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alteregoi think I know what's been bugging me about the N900 software. It's no where near as customisable (the apps) as the N810 software or the symbian counter parts. the maps application is just one example. everything seems pretty limited.14:56
alteregothough, I still think it's the tits compared to anything else out there14:56
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GeneralAntillesalterego, Ovi Maps should be dismissed from your thought processes immediately.14:56
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alteregoyeah, you're probably right14:57
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GeneralAntillesAnyway, Maemo isn't about the built-in stuff. ;)14:57
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alteregoi'm gonna code a ome widget that shows gps status this evening.14:57
* igagis_ have recently uploaded Theremin package for N900 to extras-devel and cannot promote it to extras testing14:57
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alteregoanyhow, shower time.14:58
pupnik_igagis_: where is the procedure you followed?  what went wrong?14:58
igagis_can someone tell me if they can install this ?14:58
igagis_pupnik_, look at the link14:58
igagis_pupnik_, it says there is a missing dependency14:59
pupnik_that is showing up in other packages14:59
igagis_pupnik_, but I dont know why is it missing, autobuilder put incorrect version of the lib or what?14:59
igagis_pupnik_, so, how can I workaround this? any ideas?15:00
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pupnik_installs without problems here15:01
igagis_pupnik_, that's good, thanks!15:01
igagis_I want to promote it to extras-testing, but cant due to this missing dependency, it looks like it is not really missing, but fremantale package interface thinks it is15:02
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pupnik_not sure how to help.  i just heard that another package had same issue15:03
igagis_pupnik_, ok, thanks anyway15:04
pupnik_meanwhile, theremin has dropouts and distorts on glissando.  and it could use accelerometers :)15:04
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pupnik_but nice job!15:04
igagis_pupnik_, yeah, I also think about accelerometers15:04
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igagis_pupnik_, what is glissando?15:05
pupnik_sliding from one note to the next15:05
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igagis_pupnik_, ah, yes, I think it is because mouse move events come not frequent enough, on N810 it was better15:05
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igagis_pupnik_, just in case you are interested, now Space button toggles fulscreen mode, backspace button goes to previous screen15:06
hendrytimeless_mbp: finally! i see openssh after updating :D only slowed down dev by a couple of hours :)15:06
igagis_it just a quick workaround for N900 I did yesterday15:07
timeless_mbpwhen's my telco? (in relative time?)15:07
timeless_mbpbtw, did you install my package?15:07
hendrytimeless_mbp: will do shortly ...15:07
pupnik_the distortion is kind of analogue-sounding use keyboard and slide from low to high quickly15:07
pupnik_very interesting use of cairo etc15:08
Corsactimeless_mbp: hmhm, sorry to bother, I seem to recall there was a browser keyboard shortcut to auto-adjust font size to fit the screen, did I dram?15:08
hendryis there some tool recommended showing the IP on the home screen?15:08
timeless_mbpi believe that's a dream15:08
redshould theremin be generating sound?15:08
reddont hear anything :p15:08
igagis_pupnik_, ok, thank you very much!15:08
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igagis_red, yes, it should15:08
redthe older version didn't and the update neither15:09
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redkeyboard mode on updated version however does15:09
hendryifreq: what's the package name? I can't find it15:09
igagis_red, try tuning with left right keys15:09
igagis_red it may help15:09
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timeless_mbpparsing input is such a pain in the neck15:10
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ifreqhendry: sorry its under extras-devel15:11
redgot it to work, funny =)15:14
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igagis_red, :)15:14
redwould be cool to get an app to XZY filter with touchpad an ongoing signal15:14
redand getting to pick from variety of lowpass, highpass, bandpass, bandstop et15:14
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pupnik_rubberduck / 303 / 808 / 909 go15:15
igagis_red, :) you want to turn N900 to audio studio ;)15:15
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matthew- UPDATE: Ok, i just opened a new blog on ; and this works. So it seems that there is lack of support for other mails when connected with blogger... Shame.15:15
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redamusing, the most "digged" story on for past 365 days is "Michael Jackson Dies"15:16
redon that is15:16
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bigbrovarHi guys am writting a piece on how network proxy support should be improved with core and 3rd party apps in maemo 5 and I would like to know how maemo annouces its systemwide proxy settings to applications15:19
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bigbrovarI observed that maemo happen to be the worst proxy support of any OS I have tried. only about 20% of core applications work with proxy and almost 99% of 3rd part applications dont.15:21
bigbrovarthis is a far cry from what obtains in gnome, kde, mac, windows, or even symbian15:21
Gadgetoid_iMacbigbrovar: I didn't find Ubuntu proxy support much better, but that was 8.x I think15:22
bigbrovarGadgetoid_iMac: its much more better15:22
ifreqppl use proxies these days? work related or?15:22
adeuskopete still lacks proxy support15:23
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adeusyeah at work15:23
bigbrovarGadgetoid_iMac: I use ubuntu (which is based on gnome) almost all gtk/gnome applications work with the systemwide proxy ..15:23
bigbrovarGadgetoid_iMac: the only app which doesnt work with proxy on gnome is empathy and gwibber, this is a known bug (the gwibber issue as the fixed not sure about the empathy issue which affect telepathy framework)15:24
bigbrovarGadgetoid_iMac: and on kde the situation is same.. every kde app work with KIO settings15:25
adeusexcept kopete that I just mentioned :P15:25
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bigbrovaradeus: yeah the kopete issue is well known. Its one of the oldest bugs in free desktop history, wrote the developers mailing list about it. and from the response i got I dont see it being fixed anytime soon15:26
adeusI actuallu partially fixed it once15:27
adeusbut then kde did something massive to the repos and I gave up as kdelibs didn't compile15:27
adeusit's kinda interesting that/if n900 doesn't have good proxy support15:29
adeusknowing that all nokia devs are behind one15:29
rohitcwi have problem in compiling gtk+ with hildon15:29
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pupnik"I'm not a programmer. But, I didn't come to this realization easily." - TimSamoff <- wise man15:43
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w00tanyone here played with pyside? I'm having severe difficulty getting QtGui to act in a sane manner on my n90015:53
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lizardow00t: can you join us in #pyside ?15:54
w00tI certainly can15:54
lizardow00t: there are some more PySide core developers there :)15:54
lizardo(not sure if everyone there is here too)15:54
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lupine_85 = boooo16:09
povbot`Bug 8362: Some combination of Maemo 5 + Nokia N900 results in improper onChange callbacks in the maemo browser16:09
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villagerI wonder if I should try to port flightgear to n900 one of these days16:12
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odin_yes what is the OpenGL library on N900 ?16:12
villagerImagination GL/ES2 or something?16:13
odin_so the API for that is package up into ?  Mesa?16:14
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odin_ah glade exists... /usr/lib/ /usr/lib/libGLESv2.so16:15
villagerI think it's proprietary, not mesa16:16
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pupniknow do a sample proggie that shows how to use opengl2.0 -> opengl ES 2.0 wrapper16:16
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odin_there is a /usr/lib/ as well16:17 is available too16:19
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villagerwell, current flightgear uses openscenegraph for rendering, and it looks like openscenegraph dev version can use opengl ES directly without wrapper16:21
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uhsfI'm starting to receive accessories now better hurry up with my N90016:27
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LuciusMaremay i present you my...16:42 !16:42
LuciusMareif anyone likes timelapse photos, feel free to use my script16:43
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LuciusMareits kinda useful,actually16:45
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LuciusMareat least i didnt get bored at school, one wouldnt believe how many things can you do with such a program16:45
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SpeedEvilLuciusMare: - also.16:47
SpeedEvilLuciusMare: there are numbers of things you might do to improve images taken in the dark.16:47
SpeedEvilFor example - dark frame subtraction.16:47
SpeedEvilOf course - jpeg will screw you16:47
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LuciusMareFeel free to edit it16:48
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LuciusMarei didnt actually "invent" the gstreamer line by myself16:48
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LuciusMarei just copypasted it from the perl script, if you think you have better way to take pictures in dark, feel free to edit it16:49
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SpeedEvilNop - I was meaning if you were thinking of dfeatures to add16:49
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LuciusMareSpeedEvil: when we're talking about features, the rewriting in python was just because of PIL, i thought it will be nice to have a timestamp16:50
LuciusMarenever got to it, though16:50
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w00tImportError: /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.5/PySide/ undefined symbol: _ZTI22QMaemo5KineticScroller16:53
w00toh this doesn't look fun16:53
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pupnikCould any python friends (fiends) look-into Jokosher
pekujayou want a recording studio in your pocket?16:56
pupnikactually a simple multitracker would be preferable, to sketch ideas16:57
SpeedEvil'Is that a recording studio in your pocket, or are you just pleased to see me'16:57
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Elleopupnik: I've got jokosher running under maemo, and making a small screen friendly interface is on my todo list16:59
Elleobut so are lots of other things ;)16:59
LuciusMarepupnik: i believe you meant to highlight w00t17:00
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pupnikElleo: have you looked at any other editor/sequencer stuff?17:03
Elleowell, other than as a user17:03
Elleobut I'm a jokosher dev so naturally that's my focus17:04
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lizardow00t: I think it is because the current packages where installed with an older qt snapshot17:04
lizardow00t: I should warn you that qt was a technology preview and just now has reached beta quality17:05
w00tlizardo: yes, I know this of course17:05
lizardow00t: the 4.6 version, I mean17:05
w00tI'm fully prepared to be burned by this17:05
lizardow00t: so I think we need to rebuild PySide against the latest version17:05
w00tI'm just interested in helping make it better as I go through the process17:05
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w00tlizardo: I took it to #pyside anyway, mairas is telling me to yell elsewhere17:06
lizardow00t: sure, keep reports coming :) but better on #pyside so reports don't get lost17:06
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HukkaWhat does skype availability of green dot with white exclamation mark on n900 mean?17:06
tekojoHukka problem connecting to one or more accounts17:07
tekojoOpen the accounts to see which one17:08
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HukkaIt went already away, I noticed it when I was switching from 3g to wifi17:08
HukkaI wonder if my operator blocks skype...17:08
kuriiriHukka: which operator?17:09
HukkaIt has worked before, though17:09
HukkaI'll try again with 3g17:09
kuriiriyeah do that17:09
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pv2bis there a handy little utility for the n900 which will dump useful information about GSM status? such as signal strength, current operator, imsi, that kind of stuff. or - failing that - is there some kind of API to get these kinds of things?17:10
HukkaNo, it's ok17:10
HukkaHmh. Must've been a temporary glitch17:10
kuriiriyeah, thought so :)17:10
HukkaJust hadn't seen that symbol before17:11
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pupnikwonderful Elleo ! shall i delete my jokosher post?17:14
pupnikoh nm, you responded17:15
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Milo-I think there is a design flaw in the maemo's package system. Optifying shouldn't be necessary17:16
Milo-it should set install path to /opt/bin /opt/lib and so on17:16
Milo-and extend path variable with /opt/17:16
ifreqMilo-: yes we know it.17:17
ifreqi dont like optify in any way.17:17
Milo-why is it done so stupidly?17:17
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ifreqdunno, ask ppl who got the idea.17:17
Milo-optify just sounds like a marketing buzzword17:17
Milo-with proper paths and install destinations, there wouldn't be any issues which optifying and those stupid links can cause17:18
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LuciusMareany progress with dropbox on maemo?17:18
pekujaask the Dropbox people17:19
villagerMilo-: no, the word optify was invented by users who needed to work around the n900 partitioning scheme17:19
Milo-but it still sounds like a buzzword17:19
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X-FadeMilo-: No, it is named like that because things needed to be changed to opt, hence opt-ify.17:20
villagerso you're trying to pick on innocent users for inventing a word that accidentally sounds like a buzzword?17:20
X-FadeEverybody involved thinks that the issue is ugly.17:20
X-FadeCertainly not marketing :)17:21
Milo-they are not that innocent17:21
Milo-they extended a design flaw17:21
Milo-and 'accidentally' created a word that sounds like a buzzword17:22
villagersetting install path to /opt/bin would also have been optifying, fwiw17:22
Milo-you wouldn't need a term for it17:22
rangeAnd it does sound better than usrify.17:22
Milo-well, the proper term would be 'common sense'17:23
Milo-let the package manager handle do its thing and let the developers do their thing17:23
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LuciusMareat first i thought optify is from optimalizating17:24
villagerwell, all you need to do now is take over the word, then everyone can start using your preferred words, and you can make sure they never sound buzzword-y by your subjective standards17:24
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Milo-villager why are you so defensive on this matter?17:25
pv2bif they wanted to make it a buzzword, they'd just have called it "/opt-imizing".17:25
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villagerMilo-: I'm not, I'm being offensive here17:26
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pupnikorange juice +  cola + water is yummy17:28
villagerit is my position that common sense is not a commodity, and anyone who genuinely thinks they have it, don't17:29
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villager(it's not very common either, but someone famous already said that)17:31
pekujapupnik: sounds weird17:32
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Milo-villager can't find that quote, but either way. my point is that 'optifying' shouldn't exist.17:33
Milo-I know we needed a work around, but we could just as well have fixed the issue17:34
PhonoN900is there any solution to pairing and using the igo ultraslim kb with the n900? is anyone trying to address this, or am i the only one using this kb?17:34
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Milo-without caring about partition system17:34
Milo-that's what PATH is for17:34
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* w00t has gotten a nonworking prototype of his first real n900 application :P17:35
pv2bdoes anybody have access to the garage wiki so far that they can see the source code for a wiki page, and can somehow unmangle the example shell script at ?17:36
w00t(not bad considering I haven't used python in some months, and pyside ..ever)17:36
pv2b(somebody thought it would have been an awesome idea to paste a useful shell script into the wiki and then not check how the wiki markup would completely mangle it)17:36
odin_ls -ltr17:36
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pupnikpv2b: the nature of wiki is being able to edit it yourself17:37
pv2bpupnik: i thought so too. i made an account, but i don't see anywhere i can edit it.17:38
pv2bexcept a friendly red text that says "read only"17:38
ivan4thinteresting observation: if I plug N900 into USB port and skip usb connection dialog (leave it in 'charge only') state, N900 seems to be charging slower and also becomes rather hot, even when there are no CPU eating processes. No such problem if PC Suite mode is selected...17:38
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tybolltPhonoN900: hmm I have the logitech dinovo min keyboard... I wonder the same thing about that17:38
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X-Fadepv2b: I seem to have edit rights.17:38
X-Fadepv2b: I'll pastebin the page.17:39
pv2bx-fade: great. thanks. :)17:39
pv2bmuch better.17:40
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PhonoN900tybolt: at least i'm not the only one. this device is dying for a bluetooth kb. my n900 is sitting on the kb's stand, and i'm pecking away on my virtual kb... it's just a little silly to look at my tablet sitting on my closed and useless kb17:43
Zeddyis there a maemo qt development channel or do i just have to jump between maemo and qt chans ? :P17:44
tybolltPhonoN900: anyway did you try bluemaemo?17:45
redbluemaemo for me didn't work17:46
redtried to pair up it to my pc for like 2 hours without much luck (windows 7)17:46
redeither it didnt want to pair, or it paired, or my pc didnt recognzie it as a mouse/keyb17:46
redwhen it finally worked, it couldnt reconnect x)17:46
mikhashm, I posted screenies to t.m.o, and the source was a website with self-signed certificates. so usually the n900's microb displays "secure connection failed" but in that case it didnt ... it simply wouldnt show the screenies at all. is that a bug with t.m.o then? the way it embeds images?17:47
Zeddyis there something like QSelectListDialog ? :)17:47
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PhonoN900tybollt: it didn't occur to me to try that...17:50
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PhonoN900well, i got it paired for the first time using blue maemo (so thanks for the suggestion), but the keyboard is not interacting with the device17:58
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Arkenoiquite strange: my "self-made" ussd widget (|grep to command execution widget) works way better than purpose-made "ussd widget"17:59
timeless_mbpMilo-: you make it sound like optify was something that was planned long in advance18:01
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Milo-timeless_mbp no, optifying wasn't planned at all18:02
timeless_mbpMilo-: optify was not designed long in advance. it was an emergency measure when people realized there was a problem18:02
Milo-which is the problem18:02
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timeless_mbpMilo-: users are problems18:02
timeless_mbpwe have too many of them18:02
timeless_mbpthey want too much software18:02
Milo-users that don't think, are the problem18:02
timeless_mbpsuccess is definitely a problem18:02
timeless_mbplife was simpler before success18:02
timeless_mbproughly speaking, apt does not really support prefix in any useful way18:03
MeizirkkiAI fails18:03
Meizirkki They say Maemo is on it's way18:03
timeless_mbpat least, i've never seen any sign of it supporting such a thing18:03
wazdkonttori_nokia: around? :)18:03
Milo-if the _users_ who made the emergency solution, would have spent few minutes thinking before implementing the first hackish solution that comes into mind18:03
timeless_mbpMilo-: um18:03
timeless_mbpdo some research18:04
timeless_mbpit was discussed for more than 2 minutes18:04
Milo-ah, 3 it is18:04
timeless_mbpgo away.18:04
Milo-I know what you mean18:04
Milo-just messing with your head, don't be so serious18:04
t_s_oheh, free maps on nokia phones. now how about a backport to maemo4, as a parting gift?18:04
timeless_mbpt_s_o: very funny18:05
timeless_mbpi'd settle for a forward port for maemo518:05
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timeless_mbpsince the version of maps we have is afaiu not the same as the one in s6018:05
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AndrewFBlackAnything wrong with garage that would keep my themes for building right last few days18:05
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t_s_oMeizirkki: they have probably confused maemo and mer. Or it could be that they are pulling a chinese oem...18:06
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RST38hSomething is wrong.18:07
RST38hI cannot have that much karma. WTF happened?18:07
Zeddyok people i get an error complaining that i cant set a QDialog as the parent for a QListWidget since the new parent is in a different thread18:08
Zeddywhat should i be doing.. :p18:08
Milo-timeless_mbp did old maemo-devices have the optify issue, I promise not to joke around this time18:08
RST38hZeddy: Use single thread for all the UI?18:08
timeless_mbpMilo-: old devices didn't have secondary extN storage18:08
Meizirkkit_s_o, Lets see if they reinvent Mer by compiling Maemo platform to OE or something...18:09
timeless_mbpso, it's more like 'they had no solution to the fact they were perennially low on disk space'18:09
ZeddyRST38h, well i havent told it to use a new thread for the dialog18:09
Zeddyapprently it does that by default, and i have no idea how i change that :P18:09
* GeneralAntilles wonders if that March 2010 deadlines applies to Maemo.18:09
GeneralAntillesI really hope somebody kicks the Ovi Maps devs into shape.18:09
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: from speaking to a guy yesterday18:10
timeless_mbpi highly doubt it does18:10
RST38hZeddy: Make it modal maybe?18:10
Milo-timeless_mbp well the obvious alternative would have been to fix apt to support custom install paths18:11
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ZeddyDo you know how i can do that?18:11
timeless_mbprequiring how many engineers / engineering months + testing?18:11
timeless_mbpand how do you decide when something goes to /opt and when it doesn't?18:11
GeneralAntillesAh, "focused" on bringing it to the next device.18:11
timeless_mbpthe "obvious" solution is unionfs18:11
Zeddyholy crap!18:11
GeneralAntillesSo, N900 users are screwed again!18:11
Zeddyi got it working18:11
timeless_mbpwhich is not stable18:11
* tybollt 's got a beer for the one kicking the ovi maps team into shape :)18:11
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: eh?18:12
Milo-timeless_mbp optifying is okay, but since there are lots of packages in the devel section that aren't optified or hardly maintained at all18:12
timeless_mbpMilo-: those shouldn't be promoted to testing/extras18:12
Zeddyyeah, if Nokia leaves n900 users hanging im going back to symbian :p18:12
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, "N900 owners shouldn't hold their breath, though, as Nokia is focusing on bringing its free navigation service to the next generation of Maemo devices. That's not to say that the N900 won't get it eventually, only that it's not currently on the roadmap. "18:12
Milo-timeless_mbp yes, and they won't18:12
* GeneralAntilles finds the capacitive insanity . . . insane.18:12
Zeddywill maemo 6 work on n90018:13
GeneralAntillesZeddy, not officially.18:13
GeneralAntillesBecause Nokia really hates its currently installed users.18:13
timeless_mbpZeddy: maemo6 might be available in 2030 :)18:13
timeless_mbpyou're free to wait for the cows to come home18:13
GeneralAntillesThey're only interested in NEW users or conning their existing users into upgrading.18:13
Zeddyyeah, thats pretty sad18:14
GeneralAntillesCapacitive my ass.18:14
timeless_mbpi really hate it when people talk about Nokia as a monolithic monster18:14
Zeddy:D well i prefer resistive, i guess its because i dont like making phone calls on an iphone in -25 degrees celsius18:14
timeless_mbpthe monster in question is Gate5/Berlin18:14
hrwwhat goes?18:14
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timeless_mbpZeddy: i don't enjoy making them at -5..-15 either18:15
tybollttimeless_mbp: gate.-..what?18:15
odin_well time will tell on the above18:15
GeneralAntillesI have a feeling I'm going to have to find a different manufacturer after Maemo 6.18:15
tybolltand yeah screwing the users of the HIGHEND product over wrt ovi maps is ... bit criminal18:15
hrwtimeless_mbp: I do not talk about Nokia. I am talking about nokia18:15
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timeless_mbptybollt: have you tried Maep?18:16
odin_GeneralAntilles, yes I hope for another brand to clone the basic architecture into a phone package, then maemo forks to a more generic platform (which Nokia can if they wish be involved in)18:16
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tybollttimeless_mbp: They are the one making it?18:16
timeless_mbptybollt: google.18:16
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tybollt<-- lost interest right there :P18:17
timeless_mbpanyway, i'm quite happy w/ Maep18:17
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timeless_mbpand if Maemo Mapper worked, i'd consider it18:17
timeless_mbptybollt: would you prefer "bing it"?18:17
Corsacyeah, maep is nice18:17
CorsacI like its simplicity18:18
timeless_mbpMaep is very shiny18:18
GeneralAntillesodin_, the capacitive announcement was like a punch in the gut for me.18:18
tybollttimeless_mbp: Please do not make me vomit, Sir.18:18
CorsacI miss a way to disable gps but besides that it's really shiny18:18
timeless_mbptybollt: well, you objected to google18:18
Corsac(though there's still a need for a more complete solution, like Mapper or Maemo Mapper018:18
tybollttimeless_mbp: I am googling it and frankly - does it offer tturn by turn?18:18
timeless_mbpi just had to ensure you weren't boycotting on behalf of china18:18
odin_ping Stskeeps18:18
Corsac(or ovi maps, for that matter)18:18
timeless_mbptybollt: which, Gate5 or Maep?18:19
timeless_mbpGate5 = Ovi Maps18:19
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Corsacturn by turn in a map application?18:19
timeless_mbpMaep atm is afaict just a Map18:19
timeless_mbpbut it's shiny18:19
tybolltI see18:19
timeless_mbpand finger friendly18:19
timeless_mbpand it could get directions/navigation right18:19
timeless_mbpsince its initial point isn't broken18:20
timeless_mbpwhereas Ovi Maps has a broken starting point18:20
xorAxAxtimeless_mbp: nokia has an internal irc server, right?18:20
xorAxAxsounds cool to have companies using irc18:20
pupnik"Now, finally, let's talk about this handset's real treat, its crown jewel: the glorious browser."  congrats timeless_mbp18:20
* AndrewFBlack is still pissed he has a subscription to N810 GPS for 2 more years18:20
tybolltgot to say I'm very happy w/ microb18:20
SpeedEvilmaep cannot get - on its own - routes - as it merely has tiles18:21
tybolltnow idea what kind of black magic/ goat sacrifice nokia engaged in to make it that speedy >:)18:21
pupnik"To say we were blown away by the N900's raw browsing power would be an understatement -- in fact, we could realistically see carrying it in addition to another phone for browsing alone, because even in areas where it gives a little ground to the iPhone or Pre in usability, it smacks everyone down in raw power and compatibility."18:21
timeless_mbpxorAxAx: i wouldn't know or couldn't comment18:21
timeless_mbpi certainly don't use any such thing18:22
timeless_mbppupnik: yeah, the top of the browser team sent that link to us all18:22
timeless_mbpwe're very very proud18:22
* lupine_85 gets impressed by the response to maemo bugs18:22
SpeedEvilthere are alternatives that provide online routes as graphics18:22
timeless_mbptybollt: btw, did you install maemo-geolocation?18:22
tybollttimeless_mbp: so you guys are basically laughing att he fennec people - or? :)18:23
timeless_mbptybollt: no18:23
tybollttimeless_mbp: I did - yes, why?18:23
timeless_mbpwe just sit here and cry18:23
timeless_mbptybollt: well, you can use it w/ google maps18:23
tybolltroger that18:23
timeless_mbptybollt: well, i got an email asking about MicroB support for Weave18:23
tybolltugh ok18:24
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timeless_mbpin reality, it isn't impossible18:25
timeless_mbpit just isn't an efficient path forward18:25
timeless_mbpporting component after component to a platform18:25
timeless_mbpdoes not a shiny platform make18:25
lupine_85well. at least fennec has a compliance ;)18:25
* lupine_85 wonders if timeless_mbp is the same timeless as hit his bugreport18:25
w00ti'd have thought that embracing fennec would make sense18:25
timeless_mbplupine_85: i'm timeless , yes18:26
timeless_mbp_mbp = macbook pro18:26
tybolltah a jesus computer18:26
timeless_mbpyou mean one that works?18:26
bfreeMilo-: you can't just install to an alternate path for most things, they need to be compiled for the alternate path. so "fixing" apt isn't an option (and imvho forking apt is a really bad idea).   options where you don't recompile include: binary patching (very ugly), unionfs or aufs2 (not in mainline kernel and never will be), dev-mapper (requires a partition or large loop file), name-space mounts (not ready yet) or just mount some more dirs for18:26
tybollttimeless_mbp: granted the right OS - most HW will work ;-P18:26
wazdStskeeps: builder failed to build marina :(18:27
tybolltnownow, no religious wars here, pleasE? :)18:27
timeless_mbptybollt: sure, but i'm more interested in the hardware18:27
tybollttimeless_mbp: in the _shiny_ hardware, yeah? :P18:27
timeless_mbpi use Indiana, w7, and Mer on here too18:27
timeless_mbptybollt: oh yeah, _shiny_, good point18:27
tybolltI'd tell you I fancy a Thinkpad any day of the week - then that was prior to getting an N900... I'll have to reconsider wich one I fancy the most right now :)18:29
odin_GeneralAntilles, why should the "capacitive" announcement cause major problems, I'd like to see a number of maemo based products now pitching to different markets18:31
lupine_85timeless_mbp: cool :)18:31
luke-jrbfree: last I checked, NIT already have a forked apt :p18:31
AndrewFBlackany ETA on when Garage will be fixed?18:31
* lupine_85 will probably continue using fennec on his N900 since it's installed now, at any rate18:31
* GeneralAntilles 's new troll prediction: March 2010 brings N920 with Maemo "6" (actually only Fremantle PR1.2 with an additional patch to make all touchscreen operations require two fingers), Ovi Maps with voice navigation, full portrait support, MMS, and a kitchen sink. Available for only $299 or $899 for existing N900 owners.18:31
GeneralAntillesodin_, because it means no Maemo 6 on the N900.18:32
GeneralAntillesodin_, because Maemo 6 "requires" multitouch.18:32
lupine_85well, if it makes me dip into swap constantly, I'll dump it18:32
t_s_oGeneralAntilles: ouch ;)18:32
Milo-bfree you don't define an absolute installation path with Makefiles ._·18:32
TomaszDzaheerm, I've enhanced the troubleshooting guide, if you have any suggestions then tell me
lupine_85GeneralAntilles: meh. It'll be portable :)18:32
zaheermTomaszD, thx18:32
GeneralAntillesOh, and the next DDP program will bring the device's price down to $99, but is bundled with an Ovi Store contract which brings it up to $1299.18:33
luke-jrMilo-: usually you do, or autoconf, or whatever build system18:33
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Zeddywtf, ok somebody tell me QMaemoInternetConnectivity has recieved an error18:33
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odin_anyone know how to get the crash-reporter to give me access to the core dumps created... the documentation says the dir /home/user/MyDocs/core-dumps/  should have a dir per crash thing18:33
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luke-jrMilo-: regardless, absolute paths are often hard-coded into binaries18:33
redGeneralAntilles: rofl at the prediction18:33
redBtw, anyone know where the hell I can disable the graphic smilies?18:33
GeneralAntillesred, you wont be laughing when it pans out. :P18:33
GeneralAntillesred, don't think there's a way.18:34
redGeneralAntilles: I will be, maniacly cackling.18:34
GeneralAntillesOr, rather, nobody's figured it out yet.18:34
redThats kinda ultimately gay18:34
Milo-only should effect the relative paths to those files that are needed by the application18:34
odin_also does Nokia produce a "-dbg" repository of all the OS stuff, like does ?18:34
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GeneralAntillesred, I like how it ignores your "Insert automatically after completed words" setting, too.18:34
redcould it be possible to find the graphics and substitute them with images with text-based smilies? :)18:35
Milo-you need to be able to run make everywhere where you happen to have the code, make install should only place the binary and data files to where they belong18:35
redwhat ignores?18:35
timeless_mbpTomaszD: iirc i couldn't get that to install18:35
timeless_mbpif you have time18:35
redI just disabled the dictionary alltogether18:35
redThe way it functioned and seeing the WONTFIX made it a winner choice.18:36
odin_is there a time target for making a release (like 2.2009.51-1) and then all the souce being available in the source repo?18:36
GeneralAntillesred,  the smilies.18:36
pupniktybollt: now that i can quickly launch links from IRC, my thinkpad hasn't been touched since november18:36
TomaszDtimeless_mbp, sure18:36
GeneralAntillesred, there's a space inserted after the smilie whether you've checked that box or not.18:36
timeless_mbpMilo-: linkers generally hard code absolute paths to dynamic libraries18:36
redGeneralAntilles: not for me :o18:36
timeless_mbpit's a fairly standard linuxism18:36
redill doublecheck18:36
GeneralAntillesred, oh? Interesting.18:36
timeless_mbposx introduced @dyn_path@ or things18:36
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GeneralAntillesNot disableable AND inconsistently buggy.18:37
redthere is, it was so small i hadnt noticed18:37
timeless_mbpbut it's not really common otherwise to have portable applications in unix18:37
GeneralAntillesred, ah.18:37
Milo-timeless_mbp those, yes18:37
redon the other hand, havent seen such option either?18:37
redjust looking at text input18:37
pupnikGeneralAntilles: btw would capacitive be so awful?18:37
Milo-but you are not changing the location of those, are you?18:37
tybolltpupnik: it would, yes18:37
GeneralAntillespupnik, yes.18:37
pupniki like the precise clicking18:37
GeneralAntillespupnik, I'm VERY used to resistive.18:38
pupnikon the resistive18:38
redpupnik: glass hybrid screen ty18:38
GeneralAntillespupnik, whenever I try to use a capacitive device I always try to use my nails.18:38
redI'm a resistive fan aswell tbh18:38
GeneralAntillespupnik, and it fscking pisses me off.18:38
redAnd imo small links did not bother me on iPhone18:38
pupnikclicking with nails is the way to go for browsing normal sites18:38
GeneralAntillespupnik, besides the fact that fat-fingering everything at 266ppi is an excellent way to kill an advantage gained from the high ppi.18:38
tybolltpupnik: capacitive means you lose the ability to use a pen - realisticly it means you will have to do zooming ALL THE TIME to be able to click on small items...18:38
tybolltpupnik: that will S U C K :18:38
* lupine_85 <3s stylus18:39
GeneralAntillesI want MyPaint for Fremantle.18:39
redtybollt: that would not be a problem if zooming worked well18:39
pupnikmypaint works fine here.18:39
tybolltred: fuck yeah it will18:39
reddouble tap \ pinching works wonderfully18:39
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tybolltred: ZOOMING ITSELF is the problem :)18:39
redyeh on the n900 since its shit18:39
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tybolltI dont want to zoom18:39
GeneralAntillespupnik, more specifically, I want somebody to implement your mockup.18:39
redbut not on some other devices I've used :p18:39
tybolltshouldn't have to zoom,18:39
GeneralAntillesThinking about what, exactly, Nokia's implementing with multitouch that will make Maemo 6 _REQUIRE_ it gives me nightmares.18:39
redand I rarely had to really zoom to be able to click something18:40
tybolltI am using n900 - not iphone18:40
redsometimes I would however double tap next to it to not have to aim that hard18:40
GeneralAntilles"No, we're not going to ship both a resistive and a capacitive device to appeal to more people."18:40
redand the zoom would just reset upon loading the link18:40
pupniki agree with red, GeneralAntilles and tybollt -- maybe we can get some revolutionary anti-capacitive graphics with che and red/white/black colors18:40
GeneralAntilles"Let's just alienate all of our existing customers . . . again."18:40
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pupnik"fat-fingering everything at 266ppi is an excellent way to kill an advantage"  <<<18:41
redopinions are like assholes18:41
tybolltbrown and hairy18:41
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pupnikGeneralAntilles is always right.  I got used to it.18:42
GeneralAntillesred, yes, mine is clearly more important than anybody else's.18:42
redtybollt: everyone has one :)18:42
tybolltred: I know, I was just being an asshole (pun intended) :)18:43
red"it's a matter of taste, said the dog, while licking his balls"18:43
redhar har :p18:43
TomaszDX-Fade, around? I have a problem with the autopromoter :(18:43
Zeddymy vmware ubuntu just decided not to let me surf with it18:43
Zeddywierd, i can ping google.com18:43
Zeddybut no access it with the browser.. >-<18:43
redZeddy: behind a NAT?18:44
Zeddynot to talk about my maemo app not being able to retrieve xml from the net from within scratchbox18:44
X-FadeTomaszD: What's up?18:44
Zeddywell my router acts as a nat18:44
TomaszDX-Fade, gstreamer0.10-plugins-good-extra (= 0.10.15-git180-0maemo8+0m5) | gstreamer0.10-mkv (>= 0.10.16-0maemo3)18:44
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X-FadeTomaszD: Those need to be recompiled.18:44
TomaszDX-Fade, gstreamer0.10-mkv didn't get autopromoted from devel to extras-testing18:45
X-FadeBecause it had missing deps?18:45
TomaszDzaheerm, ?18:45
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Zeddyred, is it a vmware setting ?18:46
TomaszDX-Fade, no, it has conditional deps actually18:46
X-FadeTomaszD: Hmm no, I see it there?18:46
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Zeddyi think this started after i re-installed wmware18:46
X-FadeTomaszD: Yes, it is not complaining.18:46
TomaszDtimeless_mbp had some issues with this, I thought the autopromoter failed18:47
zaheermTomaszD, maybe because of the conditional dep18:47
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TomaszDI guess it was just a fluke18:47
pupnik  in case you missed this bit of humour - openpandora is so starved for news, they posted video of the Nokia/Maemo Amsterdam Summit18:47
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zaheermTomaszD, not sure how to fix this...because of the mess in the packages between pr1.0 and pr1.118:47
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Wolfieso, how will the new free nokia maps differ from the one already in n900?18:48
zaheermTomaszD, not sure why the package name changed  either :(18:48
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TomaszDI am thoroughly confused about what is going on18:49
TomaszDI'm not even sure what's wrong here18:49
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zaheermTomaszD, what happened between pr1.0 and pr1.1 is a whole load of gstreamer packages changed name and contents18:50
zaheermlibgstreamer-plugins-base0.10 in pr1.0 and libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 in pr1.118:50
zaheermfor example18:50
timeless_mbpWolfie: since it's unclear that the announced thing will come to the n90018:50
TomaszDwe have that covered in the mkv package though18:51
zaheermyes but the red is because it couldn't find the pr1.0 package18:51
timeless_mbpthe difference is between "something that runs on symbian" and "something you already have"18:51
* timeless_mbp goes to file a bug18:51
* timeless_mbp thanks Maep and MfEfolders18:51
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TomaszDzaheerm, my only concern is if this is going to be installable once it enters extras18:52
timeless_mbpoh brother18:52
* timeless_mbp kicks ham18:52
zaheermTomaszD, i think it'll need manual promotion18:52
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zaheermTomaszD, like you had to do for extras-testing18:52
timeless_mbpsp3000: so 'Update All' appears for a short period and then goes away18:52
TomaszDwell, I know I need to promote manually, I just hope all the dependencies will follow18:53
TomaszDin other words, I hope the autopromoter pulls the conditional dependencies18:53
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sp3000timeless_mbp: when nothing's available?18:54
sp3000or >2 or whatever18:54
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sp3000er, >118:54
timeless_mbpsp3000: after using update all to update whatever was available18:54
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TomaszDtimeless_mbp, so what's the status, tried updating, installable now?18:55
timeless_mbpif the first thing you do after update all finishes18:55
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timeless_mbpis tap the title area18:55
timeless_mbpyou'll see Update All there for a bit18:55
timeless_mbpTomaszD: which repos do you want me to have enabled?18:56
timeless_mbpand remember i'm still having issues w/ bad-extra18:56
sp3000or, that18:56
sp3000oh, evben18:56
sp3000even, even18:56
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TomaszDthis should work with only extras-testing enabled, because I've promoted the decoders-support package, so everything else should have followed automatically18:56
TomaszDzaheerm, if -mkv didn't, maybe you could promote manually or something18:56
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zaheermmkv it says is in testing18:57
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TomaszDwell fine then18:57
sp3000timeless_mbp: so update all is available while the spinner is running to figure out whether there are updates available18:58
timeless_mbpyou sure?18:58
* timeless_mbp will need to write some testcases for this junk18:58
sp3000well that's what I got18:59
an0therb0xhelp, nokia n900 flash support has changed after "firmware upgrade" i am getting error at "express install not supported on this operating system"18:59
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sp3000it used to work?19:01
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an0therb0xyeah it did19:02
sp3000it's possible they're sniffing for particular versions19:02
CorsacI have a shortcut contact on my home screen, when taping on it I just have a band at bottom which says “osso-abook-home-applet”19:03
sp3000considering we have some sort of 9 apparently while googling suggests hulu has generally required 10 for some time?19:03
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an0therb0xsp3000: i was certainly able to watch shows on hulu, the only thing i can think of is post firmware upgrade the videos no longer come up... its possible hulu may have change as well19:08
an0therb0xmy phone also reboots itself 3 - 4x a day now19:08
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* Arkenoi looks at screenshots thread and wonders how people manage to get damn that much free desk space to afford fancy layouts with widgets placed artistically around girl and car photos. i always feel that 4 desktops is not enough.19:14
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