| lardman | jeremiah: ping | 00:00 |
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| mikhas | I am fine with the sharing approach, from a UX perspective. but then it would have been mandatory for every app that creates data to have a "share" option | 00:00 |
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| thp | mikhas: well, you can get files on the device without having a app that creates them | 00:01 |
| thp | mikhas: example from the summit: i could not send a SNES ROM via bluetooth from the file manager :p | 00:02 |
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| jeremiah | lardman: pong | 00:02 |
| mikhas | hm, can I cron the backup app to do a weekly backup? | 00:04 |
| lardman | just wondering if you could give me some help with the accursed Debian build process ;) | 00:04 |
| mikhas | hehe, no sharing option either =) | 00:04 |
| lardman | jeremiah: am building from this basic source http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/libchamplain-0.4-0 | 00:04 |
| jeremiah | lardman: Heh | 00:04 |
| jeremiah | lardman: Did you download the sources with apt-get source? | 00:05 |
| jeremiah | Or some other means? | 00:05 |
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| jeremiah | lardman: That is going to be ugly - lots of depeds | 00:05 |
| jeremiah | depends | 00:05 |
| lardman | modified compat to equal 5, changed debhelper to >=5 in control and s/libsoup-gnome2.4-dev/libsoup2.4-dev | 00:05 |
| lardman | also removed the following from rules: DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS := --enable-gtk-doc | 00:06 |
| lardman | then it builds, but falls over at dh_install | 00:06 |
| jeremiah | I don't think we check the compat file in maemo | 00:06 |
| lardman | and I can't see why, as the files seem to be there | 00:06 |
| jeremiah | hmm | 00:06 |
| lardman | if I don't do that it complains | 00:07 |
| lardman | the compat file | 00:07 |
| jeremiah | lardman: Can you pastebin your rules file? | 00:07 |
| jeremiah | lardman: Are you building with dpkg-buildpacakge? | 00:07 |
| lardman | yep | 00:07 |
| lardman | sure, will paste bin it all | 00:07 |
| jeremiah | Looks like a nice app. | 00:07 |
| jeremiah | Would be cool to have it in maemo | 00:07 |
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| lardman | http://maemo.pastebin.com/m44a98c68 | 00:08 |
| lardman | yeah, looks pretty useful | 00:09 |
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| jeremiah | ah, cdbs | 00:09 |
| jeremiah | evil | 00:09 |
| lardman | oops, need to actually change libsoup-gnome2.4-dev to libsoup2.4-dev | 00:10 |
| lardman | yeah, looks it | 00:10 |
| jeremiah | Can I try to build libchamplain with a different rules file? | 00:10 |
| jeremiah | I assume you don't mind. =] | 00:10 |
| lardman | sure | 00:10 |
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| lardman | no, please go for it :) | 00:10 |
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| lardman | or send it over and I can try | 00:10 |
| jeremiah | Sure; | 00:11 |
| lardman | I swear something different goes wrong each time | 00:11 |
| lardman | or perhaps I just changed it differently last time | 00:11 |
| lardman | complaining about docs dir this time | 00:11 |
| jeremiah | heh | 00:12 |
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| jeremiah | I feel your pain. :) | 00:12 |
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| lardman | dh_install -plibchamplain-doc | 00:12 |
| lardman | cp: cannot stat `.//usr/share/gtk-doc/html/libchamplain': No such file or directory | 00:12 |
| lardman | looks like an odd path there...? | 00:12 |
| jeremiah | yeah | 00:12 |
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| jeremiah | Is there an extraneous "/" in the path? | 00:12 |
| jeremiah | At the beginning? | 00:12 |
| jeremiah | BTW, running with dh_install is the way to go | 00:13 |
| jeremiah | Good way to isolate issues | 00:13 |
| lardman | do I cd to the debian/tmp dir then do that? | 00:13 |
| jeremiah | no, do it from above the debian dir | 00:14 |
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| lardman | just tried and no surprises it says: [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/build/map-friends/libchamplain/libchamplain-0.4.0] > dh_install -plibchamplain-doc | 00:14 |
| lardman | cp: cannot stat `.//usr/share/gtk-doc/html/libchamplain': No such file or directory | 00:14 |
| lardman | dh_install: command returned error code 256 | 00:14 |
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| jeremiah | gtk-docs still causing problems. Hmmm | 00:14 |
| lardman | I don't actually want the docs, so I think I just removed them from the control file last time, but this sounds like the same error I was getting trying to dh_install the lib | 00:15 |
| lardman | where does it pull the directory from, where it should find the docs? | 00:15 |
| * jeremiah checks | 00:16 | |
| jeremiah | Is there a dir called libchamplain-*/docs? | 00:16 |
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| lardman | I have a libchamplain-doc.install | 00:16 |
| lardman | let me check | 00:16 |
| jeremiah | The .install is fine | 00:16 |
| jeremiah | Looks like you don't have the docs dir | 00:16 |
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| lardman | yeah, I have libchamplain-0.4.0/docs | 00:17 |
| jeremiah | k | 00:17 |
| jeremiah | that is not the problem then. | 00:17 |
| zerojayn900 | anyone else having trouble getting on msn through telepathy-haze and telepathy-butterfly? | 00:17 |
| lardman | but it must surely be looking to pull stuff from the temp installation dir? | 00:17 |
| lardman | which for me is debian/tmp | 00:17 |
| lardman | everything is in there | 00:17 |
| jeremiah | I don't think so. | 00:18 |
| jeremiah | At least, looking at the same debian sources, I don't see a /tmp dir on my end | 00:18 |
| jeremiah | Do you still have libchamplain-doc in your control file? | 00:19 |
| lardman | yes it's in there | 00:19 |
| jeremiah | And libchamplain-gtk-doc? | 00:19 |
| lardman | the tmp dir seems to get generated during the build process | 00:19 |
| jeremiah | lardman: Yeah, that is what happens - you may want to run 'debuild clean' | 00:20 |
| lardman | yes, that too | 00:20 |
| jeremiah | cleans things up a bit | 00:20 |
| jeremiah | Didn't you not want to build the docs? | 00:20 |
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| jeremiah | Or do you not care? | 00:20 |
| lbt | any ideas for the best UK contract with an unlimited (VOIP allowed) dataplan. Very low normal phone usage | 00:20 |
| lardman | jeremiah: no, I don't really want the docs | 00:21 |
| jeremiah | You can try and remove those two sections from the control file and see what happens. | 00:21 |
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| lardman | ok hang on a tick | 00:21 |
| jeremiah | :) | 00:21 |
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| * jeremiah starts installing ten million GNOME dependencies to try to build libchamplain. | 00:22 | |
| lardman | hmm | 00:22 |
| lardman | error, some Makefile.in not found | 00:23 |
| lardman | will delete it all and start from dpkg-source -c | 00:23 |
| lardman | dpkg-source -x | 00:23 |
| jeremiah | cursed autotools | 00:23 |
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| RST38h | lardman vs libchamplain | 00:23 |
| lardman | indeed | 00:23 |
| RST38h | Round 2 | 00:23 |
| jeremiah | Hmm, I am getting a 404 error with libgtk-2.0 dev | 00:23 |
| jeremiah | that is weird. | 00:23 |
| lardman | oh no, I'm up to round 45 or so, only I need some water now | 00:23 |
| jeremiah | Do you have that depends installed? | 00:24 |
| lardman | jeremiah: are you building in sb? | 00:24 |
| lardman | I didn't have to install much extra | 00:24 |
| javispedro | Fight! | 00:24 |
| jeremiah | ah | 00:24 |
| jeremiah | right | 00:24 |
| jeremiah | scratchbox | 00:25 |
| lardman | am also building for ARM | 00:25 |
| lardman | Fremantle target | 00:25 |
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| jeremiah | lardman: Latest SDK? | 00:25 |
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| javispedro | btw, do I poke someone to upload maemo-optify to chinook extras or do I upload it without more questions? | 00:25 |
| lardman | jeremiah: yep | 00:25 |
| jeremiah | Cool. | 00:25 |
| jeremiah | :) Just a tiny sanity check on my end. | 00:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Ask mvo on maemo-developers | 00:26 |
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| javispedro | better safe than sorry I guess. maybe there's a reason he didn't upload it to chinook. | 00:26 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Oh, anyone know where File manager bugs go? | 00:27 |
| RST38h | Into the trashbin? | 00:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I've got a simple one which needs fixing | 00:27 |
| RST38h | qwerty: It has been openly suggested that community ports/creates its own file manager | 00:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: Good answer | 00:27 |
| javispedro | at least the Diablo file manager was a simple wrapper over hildon-fm (visibily). | 00:28 |
| javispedro | now that functionality has been reduced, it should be even simpler. | 00:28 |
| lcuk | RST38h, cool, there was a long discussion about an alternative one for n8x0 - maybe wise to revisit that | 00:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Mer would probably appriciate some people fixing FineFM | 00:28 |
| lcuk | now with extra horsepower, something which was removed from consideration might now be valid | 00:28 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Not worth it unless there is at least one person willing to code it | 00:28 |
| lardman | tail end of the output here: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m1c087893 | 00:28 |
| lardman | failed to find the lib | 00:28 |
| jeremiah | Yeah | 00:29 |
| jeremiah | Looks like you are missing a lib somewhere. | 00:29 |
| lardman | but it is there: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m6d91476e | 00:29 |
| * RST38h will got watch a movie and fall asleep, g'night ladies and gentlemen | 00:29 | |
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| javispedro | well, check what the install file says. | 00:29 |
| javispedro | gnite RST38h | 00:30 |
| lardman | night RST38h | 00:30 |
| qwerty12_N810 | 'night, RST38h | 00:30 |
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| lcuk | lardman | 00:30 |
| lcuk | dh_install: libchamplain-0.4-0 missing files (usr/lib/libchamplain-0.4.so.*), aborting | 00:31 |
| lcuk | is missing a proceeding / | 00:31 |
| lcuk | if its looking in usr/lib doesnt that mean its not the prop one? | 00:31 |
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| lcuk | or is that the intent | 00:31 |
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| lardman | no idea | 00:32 |
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| jeremiah | I don't understand why it cannot find the lib that is so obviously there. | 00:32 |
| * lbt looks | 00:33 | |
| jeremiah | dh_install falls back into looking at debian/tmp | 00:33 |
| jeremiah | if it doesn't find them in the current dir | 00:34 |
| lardman | the inventor of cdbs should be shot | 00:34 |
| jeremiah | indeed | 00:34 |
| SpeedEvil | lardmanwhy? | 00:34 |
| jeremiah | (we basically banned cdbs in debian-perl) | 00:34 |
| qwerty12_N810 | jeremiah: Good choice | 00:34 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks it is a shitpile | 00:34 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: too opaque | 00:34 |
| jeremiah | Opaque and very faily | 00:35 |
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| lardman | gnome-pkg-tools, I wonder if that's a bad thing | 00:36 |
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| lardman | as in: include /usr/share/gnome-pkg-tools/1/rules/uploaders.mk in rules | 00:36 |
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| jeremiah | You should be able to eliminate that as a depends I feel | 00:37 |
| jeremiah | Hmm. Maybe not | 00:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | lardman: how else do you work out what's on a cd? | 00:37 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - nvm. | 00:37 |
| * SpeedEvil should wake up. | 00:37 | |
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| SpeedEvil | not cddbs | 00:37 |
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| lardman | ah :) | 00:38 |
| lardman | np, is late | 00:38 |
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| jeremiah | lardman: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m1c769ffd | 00:38 |
| jeremiah | ^ A smaller rules file that does not use CDBS | 00:38 |
| jeremiah | Maybe useful? | 00:39 |
| lardman | sure | 00:39 |
| jeremiah | Meanwhile, I have to install the latest SDK so I can catch up with you. | 00:39 |
| lardman | ok | 00:39 |
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| lardman | well you've certainly peaked on the smallness there | 00:40 |
| jeremiah | heh | 00:40 |
| jeremiah | It just passes everything to debhelper | 00:40 |
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| jeremiah | Which makes things easier to debug, (realtively speaking) | 00:40 |
| lbt | dh 7 | 00:40 |
| lbt | is that suported? | 00:41 |
| lardman | no, I change it to 5 | 00:41 |
| jeremiah | ah | 00:41 |
| lbt | jeremiah's rules was dh 7 | 00:41 |
| jeremiah | Yeah | 00:41 |
| jeremiah | Only works with dh 7 | 00:41 |
| jeremiah | Shit. | 00:41 |
| lardman | oh | 00:41 |
| lbt | :( | 00:41 |
| lbt | upload dh 7... ;) | 00:42 |
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| lardman | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 7) | 00:42 |
| lardman | I tried that, but not really knowing what it is, I failed | 00:42 |
| jeremiah | Yep. Fooey. | 00:42 |
| lardman | was a while back | 00:42 |
| jeremiah | Okay. | 00:43 |
| jeremiah | I am going to try and package this on the latest SDK too, see if another pair of eyes can't help. | 00:43 |
| lardman | ok | 00:43 |
| lardman | I'm going to hit the sack I'm afraid | 00:43 |
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| solarion | lardman: night | 00:44 |
| jeremiah | lardman: np - I understand. :) | 00:44 |
| jeremiah | Hope to have some progress for you tomorrow, if not, let's try again? | 00:44 |
| lardman | I think my pastebin had the necessary details of any changes, and you'll be better anyway | 00:44 |
| lcuk | gnite lardman (wow, slow exit for once!) | 00:44 |
| lardman | jeremiah: yep sounds good; thanks and good lucj | 00:44 |
| lardman | luck | 00:44 |
| lardman | right, night all :) | 00:45 |
| jeremiah | My birthday tomorrow so I can't guarntee I'll be around much though. :) | 00:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah too? | 00:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Damn, EVERYBODY's birthday is around now. | 00:47 |
| lcuk | well, its cold in winter | 00:49 |
| lcuk | lots of parents snuggle for warmth | 00:49 |
| jeremiah | heh | 00:50 |
| jeremiah | w00t | 00:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, that makes no sense. :P | 00:50 |
| jeremiah | no, it doesn't. | 00:50 |
| lcuk | if you screw in winter, little jeremiahs pop out around now | 00:51 |
| wazd | any paintball players in here? :) | 00:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | January is barely winter here, I guess. | 00:51 |
| VDVsx | wazd, why ? I used to play paintball ;) | 00:54 |
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| * GeneralAntilles used to but then found the real thing. ;) | 00:55 | |
| jeremiah | What do people usually do? Do you guys remove scratchbox and re-install when there is a new SDK? Or do you just install over the old one? | 00:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lardman|gone: DEB_DH_INSTALL_SOURCEDIR = debian/tmp | 00:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Add that to rules | 00:56 |
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| jeremiah | I think he pulled that out of rules | 00:56 |
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| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, you use real guns now ? :P | 00:56 |
| jeremiah | qwerty12_N810: So that in fact may be the problem. :) | 00:57 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | jeremiah: Yep, dh_install under compat level 5 does not go for debian/tmo | 00:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | *tmp | 00:57 |
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| jeremiah | qwerty12_N810: Good catch. | 00:57 |
| wazd | VDVsx: I was invited to play with my gf :) | 00:58 |
| wazd | VDVsx: never played before, but I'm good in deep tactical shooters :D | 00:58 |
| VDVsx | wazd, she will kick your ass ;) | 00:58 |
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| wazd | VDVsx: I think we'll be in the same team :) | 00:59 |
| VDVsx | wazd, that's not fun ;) | 00:59 |
| jeremiah | Yay! | 01:00 |
| jeremiah | It is officially my birthday. :) | 01:00 |
| * qwerty12_N810 will jump +1 hour forward and say: Happy Birthday | 01:00 | |
| Macer | hm | 01:01 |
| Macer | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Atmel-SAM9G45EK/ | 01:01 |
| javispedro | happy bday :) | 01:02 |
| javispedro | thp: what have you done! | 01:02 |
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| javispedro | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5300#c2 | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, yeah, more expensive but much better stress relief. ;) | 01:02 |
| jeremiah | Thanks dudes. | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah, congrats. | 01:02 |
| VDVsx | jeremiah, happy b-day :) | 01:03 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Alas, he's right | 01:03 |
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| javispedro | of course. | 01:04 |
| javispedro | Having $a capability is a necessity for $a in $b | 01:04 |
| VDVsx | wazd, when I used to play there was basically three types of paintball players - Rambo player (don't hide from anyone and shoot in all directions), Ghost player (walk a bit then hide and evaluate the environment - repeat) and the stuck/hidden player (make a camping somewhere and wait for the other players) | 01:06 |
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| VDVsx | but also depends on the type of game (free for all, capture the flag,...), you can adopt other tactics :) | 01:07 |
| GAN900 | Hehe | 01:07 |
| GAN900 | Ghost is the way to do it. ;) | 01:08 |
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| javispedro | behold | 01:08 |
| javispedro | the first IPv6 URI | 01:08 |
| javispedro | I ever seen publicy posted | 01:08 |
| javispedro | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=345762&postcount=3 | 01:08 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Ultimately: Voting for the bug is pointless. The whole Maemo Community could vote for it and you know just as well as I that Nokia are gonna do sweet-fuck all about it. :) | 01:08 |
| GAN900 | And, yeah, tactical shooter experience doesn't translate over immediately since you don't have the muscle memory when you first start out. | 01:08 |
| wazd | VDVsx: haven't seen the map yet :) | 01:08 |
| GAN900 | They'll dismiss it with some vague allusion to the spec. | 01:09 |
| wazd | GAN900: well, at least I won't rush out :) | 01:09 |
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| wazd | GAN900: and I hope to perform some tactics moves in the field :) | 01:10 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: why do anything if you're going to throw everything and switch to qt either way. | 01:10 |
| mikhas | qwerty12_N810, the fix is easy: write a better file manager replacement =) I've seen at least one attempt in the extra-devel repo | 01:11 |
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| GAN900 | Actually, that's a good point. | 01:11 |
| mikhas | who says you cannot port the current software stack to maemo6? | 01:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: This isn't Diablo and FiF: Nokia are gonna be selling these devices now | 01:12 |
| javispedro | mikhas: i don't. i just mean that the fremantle file manager will not be ported but rewritten in qt for m6. | 01:12 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | mikhas: It shouldn't have to be done for a feature that I can find on my N810 :) | 01:12 |
| b-man17 | qwerty12_N810: has anyone built dosbox for fremantle yet? | 01:13 |
| * qwerty12_N810 points to javispedro | 01:13 | |
| * javispedro hides | 01:13 | |
| javispedro | b-man17: yes. | 01:13 |
| b-man17 | lol | 01:13 |
| b-man17 | ok :) | 01:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Although pointing is rude, and I apologise | 01:13 |
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| javispedro | it's on extras-devel. missing keyboard mapping, but rest should work "as on diablo". | 01:14 |
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| javispedro | well, going to bed. see you. | 01:15 |
| * b-man17 is looking for stuff that hasn't been ported yet ;) | 01:15 | |
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| qwerty12_N810 | 'night, javispedro | 01:15 |
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| b-man17 | i don´t think anyone has ported Basiliskii yet, although i don´t think it would be of any use... | 01:18 |
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| Shapeshifter | mhh, anyone with experience with android coding? I'll definetly get an n900 so I'm already programming small apps that appear useful to me, and one involves curl. A friend with a htc hero then asked me how I did it and mentioned curl, and we did a search on how to code stuff on android using curl but apparently there's no curl for android. and no wget, and nothing really, that one would know from linux. | 01:38 |
| Shapeshifter | so, it's not really of any use that android is linux based. | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 01:38 |
| Shapeshifter | or is it | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gotta love Android. | 01:38 |
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| xzsh | Linux without everything ppl associate with linux :( | 01:39 |
| Shapeshifter | http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/dialogs.html now THAT is NOT a lot of dialogs, is it. | 01:40 |
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| xzsh | and monocultured language | 01:40 |
| xzsh | only their java, which isn't java | 01:40 |
| Shapeshifter | oh noes, java - and then it's not even java? | 01:41 |
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| Shapeshifter | "Each process has its own Java virtual machine (VM), so application code runs in isolation from the code of all other applications" | 01:41 |
| Shapeshifter | >.> | 01:41 |
| xzsh | Shapeshifter: It's Java, the language, but with their own libs and stuff | 01:42 |
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| lbt | finished well over 70 builds now | 01:48 |
| lbt | wrong chan | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get out of here with your Mer garbage, you hoodlum! | 01:50 |
| * lbt skulks off | 01:51 | |
| lbt | and takes his Mer 3D drivers for N800s with him... | 01:52 |
| Shapeshifter | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5346 why are there still only 3 votes on this | 01:52 |
| Shapeshifter | (app manager being burried) | 01:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey! Those aren't yours! | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, because voting is too hard, there's little evidence that it actually helps and thus people are apathetic. ;) | 01:53 |
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| Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: one is. | 01:53 |
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| Shapeshifter | ah well. | 01:54 |
| lbt | Shapeshifter: the Ovi boss wants an ovi logo on *EVERY* screen | 01:54 |
| lbt | the pushy nature of it makes me uncomfortable | 01:54 |
| Shapeshifter | I don't really think it will have a negative impact on community work anyway. of course clueless end users will miss out on a better experience and instead nag about the stupid ovi hyperlink, but this really is nokias loss | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, but if we don't have Ovi, how will we connect to our friends and family with Nokia devices? | 01:55 |
| Shapeshifter | over IRC | 01:55 |
| * zerojay yaaaaaaaaaaaaawns. | 01:55 | |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, I keep forgetting to snap the good meals. | 01:56 |
| * lbt pops a fly in zerojay's mouth | 01:56 | |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Shit. I just forgot too. | 01:56 |
| Shapeshifter | mhh. instead of the 4 desktops side by side, a desktop wall ala compiz/osx would be nice as well. | 01:56 |
| * Shapeshifter uses 3x3 wall. | 01:56 | |
| Shapeshifter | meh. | 01:56 |
| * Shapeshifter ponders on on ordering now or waiting some more. | 01:57 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Order! | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Order what? | 01:57 |
| * ShadowJK used to use 3x3 until gnome and kde feature purges killed it | 01:58 | |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | bah | 01:58 |
| Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: well, THE phone. the price dropped at my preferred shop just yesterday by 50 bucks. maybe it'll drop some more. but that's rather unlikely | 01:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Order! | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | I ordered 5 weeks ago :-/ | 01:59 |
| Shapeshifter | it's now at 739chf instead of 779chf. | 01:59 |
| Shapeshifter | well that's 40 bucks. | 01:59 |
| Shapeshifter | I failed math | 01:59 |
| Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: have you tried ovi maps? | 02:00 |
| Shapeshifter | and is it utter garbage? | 02:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, it makes me want to gouge out my eyes then chop off the ends of my fingers. | 02:00 |
| zerojay | extras-testing is broken again... the Release file. | 02:00 |
| zerojay | What is causing this breakage anyways? | 02:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, said race condition last time due to load. | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/,// | 02:01 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: X-Fade said race condition last time due to load. | 02:01 |
| Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: ouch | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, maybe it'll get better. | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, Maemo Mapper is certainly coming. | 02:02 |
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| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: At least that's one thing I shouldn't need to worry about causing. lol | 02:02 |
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| zerojay | maemo.org is fucked. | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Indeed | 02:02 |
| zerojay | can't login... wiki's down.. everything's fucked. | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | We need more servers. | 02:02 |
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| zerojay | Imagine once it's actually in the public's hands. | 02:03 |
| Shapeshifter | I find it a bit daft that on this maemo application site where all the os 200x apps are, clicking on screenshots doesn't enlarge them | 02:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tero's working on it, but not sure what the timeline is at this point. | 02:04 |
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| wazd | GeneralAntilles: so, you're good in 3D animation? ;) | 02:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, I'm OK at 3D, not so good at animation. | 02:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Competent but frequently uninspired. ;) | 02:09 |
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| wazd | GeneralAntilles: how long should start up video be? | 02:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | About 3-5 seconds | 02:11 |
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| wazd | GeneralAntilles: nice :) | 02:11 |
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| wazd | GeneralAntilles: the only video I've made in my life was my Lineage II raid coverage :) | 02:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 02:12 |
| VDVsx | wazd, btw -> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sjgadsby/3998092078/ ;) | 02:12 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: If you can tell me where to upload it instead of vimeo I can show it - 5 minutes of fame :D | 02:13 |
| wazd | VDVsx: :D | 02:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | YouTube? | 02:13 |
| wazd | VDVsx: thanks for mentioning me :) | 02:13 |
| VDVsx | wazd, I wasn't the only one ;) Vlad did the same | 02:14 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: well, first time youtube removed the sound :) | 02:16 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: uploading again now | 02:16 |
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| bfrog | so if n900 doesn't officially have some notes about a maemo 6 upgrade, which device will be available with maemo 6 and when? | 02:16 |
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| wazd | bfrog: in 2035, neurochip | 02:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | bfrog, Maemo 6 is q2 2010 timeframe. | 02:17 |
| bfrog | like if I wanted to buy a device and work on maemo, which one would I buy | 02:17 |
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| kr1shnak | thats the question I am pondering also | 02:17 |
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| bfrog | because I don't really want to work on something thats going to be obsolete in 6 months | 02:18 |
| kr1shnak | I have an N800, but maemo 5 doesnt run on it | 02:18 |
| kr1shnak | and the N900 sounds like its going to be obsoleted pretty quickly imo | 02:18 |
| VDVsx | well depends how long you guys want to wait, I guess | 02:18 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: I bet it will be the most extraordinary game fan movie you've ever seen :D | 02:18 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Maemo 6 BETA is q2 2010 timeframe | 02:19 |
| bfrog | I mean, I'm sure its a nice device and everything... seeing its a nokia device | 02:19 |
| wazd | kr1shnak: maemo 6 will be first device to be based on Qt | 02:19 |
| wazd | kr1shnak: better wait for maemo 7 | 02:19 |
| bfrog | but I almost feel like my next phone will be the palm pre instead of a nokia phone | 02:19 |
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| VDVsx | wazd, nah, maemo 8 is so much awesome | 02:19 |
| kr1shnak | well I wish I had the £500 quid to burn, but I dont | 02:20 |
| bfrog | yeah | 02:20 |
| Shapeshifter | I think obsolete is a bit exagerrated. You can already develop Qt applications for maemo 5 and I expect them to run fairly well on maemo6, while I'm certain that gtk apps will still run on maemo6. | 02:20 |
| bfrog | if only the phones were free | 02:20 |
| lbt | night all | 02:20 |
| wazd | VDVsx: I've just tested maemo 9 alpha - maemo 8 sucks balls :D | 02:20 |
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| Shapeshifter | kr1shnak: ^ | 02:20 |
| wazd | lbt: c ya | 02:20 |
| kr1shnak | right | 02:20 |
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| VDVsx | wazd, f***, god damn you eldar !! | 02:21 |
| kr1shnak | I think I will start with developing on the emulator and maybe talking to Nokia about a loan device when I have an app in a testable state | 02:21 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: nope, removed audio again | 02:21 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: any other options?) | 02:21 |
| bfrog | I can buy a laptop these days for less money | 02:22 |
| VDVsx | kr1shnak, there will be a developer discount program soon for the n900 | 02:22 |
| Shapeshifter | VDVsx: how to qualify? | 02:22 |
| wazd | bfrog: then buy a laptop | 02:22 |
| bfrog | ooooooh | 02:22 |
| bfrog | discount? | 02:22 |
| bfrog | as in free to $100 ? | 02:22 |
| kr1shnak | interesting | 02:22 |
| kr1shnak | I will keep an eye out for it. But for getting started the emulator should be fine | 02:23 |
| wazd | developer program works for existing developers, as Quim said, not future | 02:23 |
| VDVsx | Shapeshifter, karma or a good application on extras | 02:23 |
| kr1shnak | right | 02:23 |
| VDVsx | more info about the last discount program(n810) here: http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/n810-maemo-device-program/ | 02:25 |
| bfrog | why did maemo even start off with gtk+ and then suddenly decide Qt was actually the right thing anyways? | 02:26 |
| bfrog | license? | 02:26 |
| zerojay | Because they bought QT. | 02:26 |
| zerojay | Trolltech, I mean. | 02:26 |
| timeless_mbp | cost | 02:27 |
| timeless_mbp | Gtk was free | 02:27 |
| zerojay | So the switch is probably meant as a way to allow developers to write apps across all platforms cheaper and easier. | 02:27 |
| bfrog | Qt has always been free | 02:27 |
| timeless_mbp | not for commercial use | 02:27 |
| bfrog | where are the maemo commercial apps? | 02:27 |
| timeless_mbp | um | 02:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lol | 02:28 |
| timeless_mbp | the Nokia 770 was a commercial product | 02:28 |
| timeless_mbp | 99% of the ui was closed initially i suppose | 02:28 |
| zerojay | Get the feeling Karoliina would be a good person to ask. ;) | 02:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | bfrog: otoh | 02:31 |
| timeless_mbp | if you want to, you can buy Navicore in a nice box for your n800 | 02:31 |
| timeless_mbp | or 770 | 02:32 |
| timeless_mbp | so that is definitely a commercial application | 02:32 |
| timeless_mbp | otoh, since it isn't built around Qt, the fact that Qt required at one time a commercial license is not a particularly interesting detail | 02:32 |
| bfrog | sounds like a google maps I have to pay for? | 02:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | um | 02:32 |
| timeless_mbp | ever used Google Maps while in Canada or Ukraine? | 02:32 |
| wazd | blip.tv saved the day | 02:32 |
| timeless_mbp | you have to pay for those too | 02:32 |
| timeless_mbp | generally the price is quite high | 02:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | i'm not sure which is higher, but ... believe me, you don't want to find out | 02:33 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw, Navicore supported auditory turn by turn directions | 02:34 |
| VDVsx | pay for google maps ? oh god | 02:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | Google Maps to my knowledge doesn't do that, although it's possible there's a mash up for it | 02:34 |
| timeless_mbp | VDVsx: it's called paying for GPRS data | 02:34 |
| timeless_mbp | generally by the kilobyte | 02:34 |
| VDVsx | ah ok, lol | 02:34 |
| timeless_mbp | Google Maps data is not generally cached, pre caching it is generally a violation of ToS | 02:34 |
| VDVsx | I know ;) | 02:35 |
| * VDVsx downloads 1,6 gb of maps data :P | 02:35 | |
| timeless_mbp | any other stupid questions? | 02:35 |
| ShadowJK | navicore is really useful, shame the maps haven't been updated since january2008 (atleast not for scandinavia) | 02:35 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry, i get slightly annoyed when people think that everything in life is free | 02:35 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: i was pleasantly surprised that they had a couple of updates | 02:36 |
| timeless_mbp | that's better than a lot of things i've used | 02:36 |
| * SpeedEvil had a free lunch today. | 02:36 | |
| timeless_mbp | i got something like a free dinner | 02:36 |
| bfrog | eh, I blame google | 02:36 |
| timeless_mbp | but it was a house call | 02:36 |
| ShadowJK | tomtom seems to do monthly updates or something | 02:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Tesco delivered one slightly dodgy chicken legs - one pack of 4 - and refunded me for 2. | 02:36 |
| timeless_mbp | which included walking to/from, plus servicing two laptops | 02:36 |
| qwerty12_N810 | SpeedEvil: Check to see if both your kidneys are still there | 02:36 |
| ShadowJK | but their stuff only runs on their own devices basically | 02:36 |
| ShadowJK | (and they charge for map updates) | 02:37 |
| timeless_mbp | bfrog: how can you blame google for your ignorance of data costs? | 02:37 |
| Shapeshifter | bfrog: huh I don't get it. You're paying for data transfer, not for google maps | 02:37 |
| bfrog | timeless_mbp: ok, in that case, I blame a lack of competition and poor foresight by the cell phone carriers | 02:38 |
| timeless_mbp | um | 02:38 |
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| RichiH | Couldn't authenticate against garage. (DB problem) | 02:38 |
| timeless_mbp | in most of europe, i blame the EU for their insane attempts to mess with the market | 02:38 |
| zerojay | RichiH: Yes, we know. | 02:38 |
| RichiH | someone fix wiki.maemo.org please | 02:38 |
| RichiH | zerojay: ah, k | 02:38 |
| RichiH | sorry, then | 02:39 |
| timeless_mbp | in Canada, i think it's a combination of lack of competition and stupid legislative attempts at regulation | 02:39 |
| RichiH | in that case, i will ask in here :p | 02:39 |
| Shapeshifter | timeless_mbp: blame the EU for what? | 02:39 |
| timeless_mbp | bfrog: i don't see how you can blame a carrier for wanting to make money | 02:39 |
| crashanddie | in Soviet Russia, lack of competition combines YOU! | 02:39 |
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| RichiH | is there an eta for a Mer release (or a somewhat stable snapshot)? | 02:39 |
| ShadowJK | Myabe she should threaten with banning the pairing of devices and contracts/operators :-) | 02:40 |
| bfrog | timeless_mbp: its not that they shouldn't, they should, but they should also not rip me off | 02:40 |
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| Shapeshifter | bfrog: who's ripping you off for what? | 02:40 |
| crashanddie | RichiH, why do I know your nickname? | 02:40 |
| bfrog | cell phone companies | 02:40 |
| * Shapeshifter is confused | 02:40 | |
| timeless_mbp | what the market will bear | 02:40 |
| bfrog | like text messages... | 02:40 |
| bfrog | charging extra for that | 02:40 |
| Shapeshifter | bfrog: huh? >.> | 02:40 |
| bfrog | or small amounts of data, when voice takes up lots more | 02:40 |
| bfrog | is stupid | 02:40 |
| RichiH | crashanddie: how would i know? | 02:40 |
| Shapeshifter | bfrog: why is that stupid? | 02:41 |
| bfrog | so they're charging me for something that costs them nothing? | 02:41 |
| crashanddie | RichiH, hak5 ring a bell? | 02:41 |
| Shapeshifter | bfrog: do you expect them to just give the service to you for free? | 02:41 |
| * timeless_mbp blames users for using services that they shouldn't use | 02:41 | |
| timeless_mbp | encouraging providers to gouge you is entirely your fault | 02:41 |
| timeless_mbp | stop feeding them | 02:41 |
| bfrog | I don't feed them | 02:41 |
| Shapeshifter | bfrog: and what has this to do with google maps again? maybe I missed the point | 02:41 |
| timeless_mbp | vote with your wallet | 02:41 |
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| bfrog | I have an awesome plan, unlimited everything $30/mo | 02:42 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: And be entirely ignored as you're not purchasing services. | 02:42 |
| luke-jr | bfrog: it's society in general these days | 02:42 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: some countries are simply bad value | 02:42 |
| RichiH | crashanddie: it does, but not a large one. i.e. i don't often visit the site or anything | 02:42 |
| Shapeshifter | bfrog: do you have any clue about how phone companies run? | 02:42 |
| ShadowJK | ever since I started using data, my monthly fee has staid approx the same but my use has gone from 20 megs/month to >20 gigs per month :-) | 02:42 |
| crashanddie | RichiH, never mind then, my memory playing tricks on me | 02:42 |
| Shapeshifter | bfrog: at least in this country, their margins are extremely low | 02:42 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: well... you can try to sponsor a competing network | 02:42 |
| luke-jr | bfrog: everyone thinks they're entitled to your money, not merely an equal trade | 02:42 |
| RichiH | timeless_mbp: unless "you" are _many_ or you pay them lots of money, they will not care | 02:42 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless; huh? | 02:42 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: there are none | 02:42 |
| timeless_mbp | which country are you in? | 02:43 |
| Shapeshifter | bfrog: when the subsidise a phone for a new contract, they make practically no money for the first year | 02:43 |
| crashanddie | oh bollocks that | 02:43 |
| RichiH | crashanddie: i am freenode staff and oftc netrep, so it's not unusual for me to pop up in various places | 02:43 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: All the companies - in the UK - charge a more or less comparable rate. | 02:43 |
| timeless_mbp | for SMS, there's Google Talk, Skype, AIM, ICQ, QQ | 02:43 |
| crashanddie | RichiH, aaah, ircop, there you go | 02:43 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: that's the EU's fault | 02:43 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: you can't get data any cheaper. | 02:43 |
| timeless_mbp | they tried to help things | 02:43 |
| crashanddie | RichiH, I remember now, the whole mibbit discussions | 02:43 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: no, they diddn't. | 02:43 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: only for roaming. | 02:43 |
| RichiH | ah | 02:43 |
| RichiH | a fun and loving occasion, that :p | 02:44 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: not internal countries charges to their own perpetrators. | 02:44 |
| bfrog | Shapeshifter: fair enough, doesn't mean they need to nickle and dime me to make up for it | 02:44 |
| Shapeshifter | bfrog: then they might offer other services like fixed line internet which they actually buy from fixnet operators, just to have some service more, and yet again earning nought. | 02:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, get a life? :P | 02:44 |
| crashanddie | RichiH, and me getting banned from the main freenode social channel | 02:44 |
| kr1shnak | is anyone here using a mac as there development platform for maemo? | 02:44 |
| kr1shnak | their not there | 02:44 |
| RichiH | also, did nokia say anything about community pricing plans (or even a real release date), yet? | 02:44 |
| timeless_mbp | kr1shnak: define using | 02:44 |
| Xisdibik | mac? whats that? :o | 02:44 |
| timeless_mbp | this is a mac book pro | 02:44 |
| timeless_mbp | i use VirtualBox + Mer on it | 02:45 |
| timeless_mbp | and i do some of my work straight in OS X | 02:45 |
| kr1shnak | right | 02:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | eventually sbox2 could grow to work on osx | 02:45 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: there's always the secondary social channel | 02:45 |
| crashanddie | RichiH, not looking good from for a rebate, last I heard. There's a thread on tmo on the subject though | 02:45 |
| timeless_mbp | but last i tried, it wasn't anywhere near there | 02:45 |
| RichiH | crashanddie: quite a few people were, as things turned into several levels of nasty | 02:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/maemo.org-startup.mov | 02:45 |
| Shapeshifter | bfrog: I don't know maybe it's different in other countries but here there are 3 major mobile operators and the competition is really strong | 02:45 |
| kr1shnak | so I guess the best thing to do is to run the dev kit in a VM | 02:46 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr, meh, don't try to pick a fight with one of the "Freenode elders" | 02:46 |
| RichiH | luke-jr: there is no seocndary channel. but that being said, people who want a different style of channel are free to choose from the alternatives | 02:46 |
| bfrog | Shapeshifter: depends on where your at I suppose, I really feel like the providers in my area are in cahoots with eachother on pricing | 02:46 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: all things considered, i'd rather a black background | 02:46 |
| crashanddie | I guess I'm lucky to still be on this network | 02:46 |
| bfrog | and basically just compete based on phone selection | 02:46 |
| luke-jr | RichiH: sure there is, however unofficial we may be! | 02:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, easy enough, though it doesn't look as good. | 02:46 |
| timeless_mbp | that nokia uses a white background is incredibly annoying | 02:46 |
| RichiH | luke-jr: that's why you not a secondary, but an alternative | 02:46 |
| crashanddie | there's one thing I want: be able to have the phone icon on all desktops | 02:46 |
| RichiH | difference :) | 02:46 |
| ShadowJK | I don't think operators here compete on phone selection at all | 02:46 |
| crashanddie | is there a bug report for that? | 02:46 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: you can cheat :) | 02:47 |
| * ShadowJK suspects most phones are bought from non-operators | 02:47 | |
| crashanddie | shussh, my gf's next to me | 02:47 |
| timeless_mbp | all it takes is 3 extra .desktop files :) | 02:47 |
| crashanddie | no, I want it automagic | 02:47 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: that definitely varies by country | 02:47 |
| RichiH | crashanddie: we don't just kick people off the network cause they disagree. it takes quite a lot to get klined, on freenode | 02:47 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: i know | 02:47 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: I think in the USA, over 90% of phones are from network providers | 02:47 |
| ShadowJK | timeless: yes | 02:47 |
| crashanddie | RichiH, I was an idiot | 02:47 |
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| RichiH | crashanddie: we all are, sometimes | 02:48 |
| luke-jr | RichiH: if the ToS were enforced strictly, we could get Klined for disagreeing easily | 02:48 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: if i gave you a frame timestamp, could you do something about it? | 02:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, the animation is still way jerky. | 02:48 |
| RichiH | luke-jr: that sounds really well on paper; problem is, it's not true and you know that :) | 02:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, need to work on my path splines. ;) | 02:48 |
| ShadowJK | 2 of 3 have said they don't mind being datapipes, and the former monopoly was terrifiees at the thought. they have crappiest and most expensive data coverage :) | 02:48 |
| timeless_mbp | the text jumps up/down as it grows | 02:48 |
| luke-jr | RichiH: ok, not ToS, but "policy" | 02:48 |
| timeless_mbp | it's kind of wavy | 02:49 |
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| RichiH | still | 02:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, yeah, it was going to be due to a depth of field thing, but that didn't work out. | 02:49 |
| timeless_mbp | you could try a spinning thing | 02:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, basic concept for now, tweaking is coming. | 02:49 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp, is there a bug about the aforementioned? | 02:49 |
| timeless_mbp | where the .org thing pops out at the end | 02:50 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: i don't know of one, i haven't looked | 02:50 |
| timeless_mbp | search, there's only one component to search | 02:50 |
| timeless_mbp | if you can't find a bug, file it | 02:50 |
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| lcuk | when the .org pops out at the end, use the audio noise and click feel of opening the keyboard in the advert | 02:50 |
| timeless_mbp | that'd be cool to try :) | 02:51 |
| crashanddie | by the way | 02:51 |
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| crashanddie | since when did "marketing" start to be a synonym of "TV Commercial", or as someone put it "crappy youtube video"? | 02:51 |
| crashanddie | did I miss a meeting? | 02:51 |
| lcuk | you mustv :D | 02:52 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: when wasn't it? | 02:52 |
| RichiH | crashanddie: btw, do you have the link for the thread handy? | 02:53 |
| luke-jr | hum, we have a bot in #anime that appears to pass the turing test | 02:53 |
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| crashanddie | RichiH, sure | 02:53 |
| luke-jr | or at least he's managed to convince a number of us that he's human | 02:53 |
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| zerojay | RichiH: I think the wiki is back up now. | 02:53 |
| luke-jr | (until he trolls himself and demands to be banned for being an annoying bot) | 02:54 |
| crashanddie | RichiH, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31539 | 02:54 |
| RichiH | zerojay: arrr | 02:55 |
| RichiH | crashanddie: ta | 02:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/maemo.org-startup2.mov | 02:55 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Who was complaining on here a few days ago about not being able to add the same widget to multiple desktops? | 02:56 |
| texrat | hey gang | 02:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Hullo, texrat | 02:57 |
| texrat | qwerty dude | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | /nick Texrat | 02:57 |
| texrat | missed ya at the summit | 02:57 |
| texrat | :p Ryan | 02:57 |
| zerojay | texrat: Hey man. | 02:57 |
| texrat | missed you too! :/ | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | texrat, think up a good sound for this: http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/maemo.org-startup2.mov | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hooray, State Department! | 02:57 |
| zerojay | qwerty12_N810: What's ye ole magic incantation for updating a .deb package? | 02:58 |
| texrat | I hear a 'vrooom' sound | 02:58 |
| texrat | maybe i can synth something | 02:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: For updating the version number? Use "dch -i" | 02:58 |
| * crashanddie can't help but lol at the "Bible App" thread on tmo | 02:59 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | And edit as needed | 02:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | We should just play the Intel sound backwards. | 02:59 |
| texrat | or wait: escalating crowd noise? lol | 02:59 |
| crashanddie | and I thought IRC was the best source of entertainment in Maemo | 02:59 |
| zerojay | qwerty12_N810: And for building the updated package? Same as original? | 02:59 |
| texrat | ha! Intel backwards, yeah | 02:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, people really want their Bibles on their mobile devices. | 02:59 |
| texrat | hey Sebastien | 02:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: Yeah | 02:59 |
| crashanddie | sebastian | 02:59 |
| zerojay | qwerty12_N810: Thanks. | 02:59 |
| texrat | :p | 02:59 |
| crashanddie | hey texrat | 02:59 |
| crashanddie | texrat, don't make me sound more french than I really am | 03:00 |
| texrat | heh | 03:00 |
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| crashanddie | which is, I hope, very little | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | texrat, only if we can get someone shouting "You're all trying to steal my pocket lint!" in the background. | 03:00 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie: That's a sudden 360 | 03:00 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, yada yada yada | 03:00 |
| texrat | yadda* | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, blah blah blah jealous. | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hahaha | 03:00 |
| b-man17 | lol | 03:00 |
| texrat | hey b-man | 03:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yoda Yoda Yoda | 03:01 |
| b-man17 | hello :) | 03:01 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, if you're going to bother with religion, at least be courteous enough to include other beliefs as well | 03:01 |
| texrat | shit I am gonna hate going to work tomorrow... still on AMS time | 03:01 |
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| texrat | applied for another Nokia job today though... 4 apps outstanding now | 03:02 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: if you're going to put false religions on par with the true religion, at least don't pretend to follow any. | 03:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | texrat, if you get in, be sure to go beat up some Ovi managers for me. | 03:02 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr, I beg your pardon? | 03:02 |
| texrat | all religions are true and false :p | 03:02 |
| qwerty12_N810 | texrat: How's the boss? :p | 03:02 |
| texrat | qwerty no comment | 03:02 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Hehe | 03:03 |
| texrat | may be Ryder spies here... | 03:03 |
| qwerty12_N810 | No, I mean: hee hee hee | 03:03 |
| texrat | there ya go | 03:03 |
| texrat | although I am trainign Jayonthabeat to be the new me | 03:03 |
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| texrat | qwerty you are too pure of heart... other than that goat porn thing | 03:03 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr, if you're going to troll, at least do it properly: spell out your thoughts | 03:03 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: to consider two contradicting religions as valid, you inherently deny all of them. | 03:04 |
| texrat | oh bull | 03:04 |
| qwerty12_N810 | texrat: Hey, I didn't know anyone was filming! | 03:04 |
| texrat | lol q | 03:04 |
| b-man17 | luke-jr: take a chill pill ;) | 03:04 |
| texrat | all religions contradict on some points and agree on others | 03:05 |
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| texrat | God prefers linux | 03:05 |
| luke-jr | b-man17: wtf are you doing here? | 03:05 |
| luke-jr | texrat: exactly why endorsing two is denying both. | 03:05 |
| b-man17 | just hanging out, you? :) | 03:05 |
| texrat | oh bull again luke | 03:05 |
| texrat | black and white view | 03:05 |
| luke-jr | b-man17: deciding whether I'm ranting about closed Nxx0 or trying to convince Nokian employees to give me one | 03:05 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr, I'm an agnostic, and not practising nor endorsing any kind of religion, therefore, do not need to deny any nor consider any of them valid | 03:05 |
| texrat | I see colors | 03:05 |
| lcuk | texrat, do you fart rainbows too? | 03:06 |
| lcuk | :D | 03:06 |
| texrat | just did lcuk | 03:06 |
| lcuk | heh | 03:06 |
| * Proteous hums "I didn't start the flame war" | 03:06 | |
| texrat | you should have seen it | 03:06 |
| b-man17 | haha | 03:06 |
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| lcuk | pleasant trip back? | 03:06 |
| luke-jr | b-man17: oh wait, you're *b*-man | 03:06 |
| luke-jr | b-man17: misread your name as z-man | 03:06 |
| luke-jr | :) | 03:06 |
| texrat | as they go, yeah | 03:06 |
| b-man17 | xD | 03:06 |
| luke-jr | b-man17: yandere | 03:06 |
| b-man17 | ḱ | 03:07 |
| texrat | b-man would need a promotion to be z-man | 03:07 |
| texrat | he has a way to go | 03:07 |
| crashanddie | texrat, stop talking about promotions | 03:07 |
| * texrat farts another rainbow | 03:07 | |
| crashanddie | texrat, you're making me itch :P | 03:07 |
| texrat | wow, gold! | 03:07 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Is there gold at the end of it? | 03:07 |
| texrat | see above | 03:07 |
| crashanddie | pre-emptive reply | 03:07 |
| crashanddie | nice | 03:07 |
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| texrat | win | 03:08 |
| crashanddie | anyway | 03:08 |
| texrat | feels good... yesterday I only got lead | 03:08 |
| crashanddie | work work work tomorrow | 03:08 |
| crashanddie | texrat, that must be painful to fart | 03:08 |
| texrat | nah | 03:08 |
| texrat | at 48 it all-- never mind | 03:08 |
| crashanddie | roommate well provided? | 03:08 |
| qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie: Oh, did you get in shit for being 2h late? :p | 03:09 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N810, nope | 03:09 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lol | 03:09 |
| texrat | late to what | 03:09 |
| crashanddie | texrat, work | 03:09 |
| texrat | ah | 03:09 |
| texrat | I took the day off | 03:09 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N810, good thing about not having your direct boss in the office, and the only guy in my department is a proby I'm training | 03:09 |
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| texrat | hey, am I retarded or does N900 not have a Missed call feature? | 03:10 |
| crashanddie | and currently, his agenda is filled with "read this, read that, read those" | 03:10 |
| crashanddie | texrat, you are retarded | 03:10 |
| texrat | explain | 03:10 |
| texrat | cannot find | 03:10 |
| crashanddie | N900 does have a Missed Call feature | 03:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It shows 'em in the Phone app | 03:10 |
| texrat | they hid it well then | 03:10 |
| timeless_mbp | texrat: it has two features | 03:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie: Nice | 03:10 |
| crashanddie | on and off | 03:10 |
| texrat | does not show in mine | 03:10 |
| timeless_mbp | 1. when you get a missed call, there's a flying window that appears | 03:10 |
| texrat | lol timeless | 03:10 |
| texrat | never got | 03:10 |
| texrat | arg | 03:10 |
| timeless_mbp | 2. if you tap that, you get sent to the thing | 03:10 |
| timeless_mbp | 3. if you miss it, the top left corner glows | 03:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | texrat: Your network sucks | 03:11 |
| texrat | I had 3 missed calls with no indications at all | 03:11 |
| crashanddie | hang on | 03:11 |
| crashanddie | that's 3, you said 2 | 03:11 |
| timeless_mbp | 4. if you tap that, you get a box in the window switcher showing missed calls | 03:11 |
| lcuk | if you bring up the phone app it shows in/out numbers doesnt it | 03:11 |
| texrat | interface has so many fucking quirks | 03:11 |
| texrat | nope | 03:11 |
| texrat | lcuk no it doesn't | 03:11 |
| timeless_mbp | 5. the phone call list shows missed calls w/ a red icon and theme color text instead of normal text | 03:11 |
| lcuk | o_O on mine it does | 03:11 |
| texrat | that I can see | 03:11 |
| lcuk | it lists all calls | 03:11 |
| timeless_mbp | there are really only 2 features | 03:11 |
| crashanddie | texrat, good to see you on IRC sir, btw | 03:11 |
| texrat | ahhhhh | 03:11 |
| texrat | thanks | 03:11 |
| timeless_mbp | one is the flying thing that becomes a glowing thing that becomes a box | 03:11 |
| texrat | I want tabs, goddammit | 03:12 |
| crashanddie | ctrl + t | 03:12 |
| timeless_mbp | the other is the phone's red icon + themed colored name/number | 03:12 |
| texrat | mixing all calls=idiocy | 03:12 |
| timeless_mbp | texrat: oh | 03:12 |
| texrat | mile long fuckiogn scroll | 03:12 |
| timeless_mbp | you want separate inbound/outbound/missed views | 03:12 |
| timeless_mbp | um | 03:12 |
| texrat | YES | 03:12 |
| * crashanddie files a bug | 03:12 | |
| texrat | at least the option | 03:12 |
| texrat | agreed | 03:12 |
| timeless_mbp | nope, that isn't supported | 03:12 |
| * texrat votes on bug | 03:12 | |
| timeless_mbp | the ui designers went for "simplicity" (i'm sure they used that word) | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/maemo.org-startup2.mov | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3D, now. | 03:13 |
| texrat | I have sooo many things to file... organizing first | 03:13 |
| texrat | cool GA | 03:13 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: i like | 03:13 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: have you tested on a device? | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, not yet. | 03:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | texrat: You're not gonna get tabs; the Hildon way is to shove everything onto a page with kinetic... | 03:13 |
| texrat | GA you seriously looking for a sound? I think I can find some copyright-free stuff | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | texrat, be fun to have a http://maemo.org sound. | 03:14 |
| texrat | @qwerty12_N810 I disagree with that philosophy | 03:14 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: so... | 03:14 |
| timeless_mbp | we do have views as a menu thing | 03:14 |
| texrat | makes listings a mess | 03:14 |
| lcuk | texrat, timeless thinks the .org should pop out, i think it should use the nokia n900 keyboard slide out and mechanic ;) | 03:14 |
| timeless_mbp | the media player uses them | 03:14 |
| texrat | lol lcuk | 03:14 |
| timeless_mbp | i like lcuk 's suggestion | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody mix up a recording of that. | 03:14 |
| lcuk | extension to your idea | 03:15 |
| texrat | errrrrrrrrrrrrr-CLICK | 03:15 |
| timeless_mbp | iirc image viewer also has views | 03:15 |
| timeless_mbp | a couple of others do too | 03:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: Sure, but GtkNotebooks are discarded in favour (yes, spelt correctly) of the one page - look at the Porting Modest wiki page :) | 03:15 |
| timeless_mbp | so, it's definitely not beyond what's used in our ui | 03:15 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: we don't use notebooks | 03:15 |
| timeless_mbp | we stick them into menus | 03:16 |
| timeless_mbp | calendar uses this thing too | 03:16 |
| timeless_mbp | actually, calendar is a good example | 03:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Filters | 03:16 |
| lcuk | i just found out i can lock the phone in portrait mode | 03:16 |
| timeless_mbp | it has month/week/day views | 03:16 |
| timeless_mbp | those aren't filters | 03:16 |
| lcuk | no longer is it a random thing | 03:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | They are | 03:16 |
| texrat | oh crap, my freeware audio source is down for maintenance | 03:16 |
| texrat | I say we rip off the THX thing | 03:16 |
| lcuk | texrat, get on gtalk with a guitar and make the jingle yourself! :D | 03:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | timeless: I've also used them in code, believe me :) | 03:17 |
| texrat | guitar=broke :( | 03:17 |
| texrat | son dropped it | 03:17 |
| timeless_mbp | :( | 03:17 |
| crashanddie | texrat, too tired to file a bug | 03:17 |
| texrat | I will file | 03:17 |
| crashanddie | texrat, put me on CC | 03:17 |
| texrat | how | 03:17 |
| crashanddie | nevermind | 03:17 |
| texrat | been too long since I used irc | 03:17 |
| texrat | forgot the tricks | 03:17 |
| crashanddie | eh? | 03:18 |
| crashanddie | no, talking about CC on the bug report | 03:18 |
| texrat | I have forgotten the codes for irc | 03:18 |
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| texrat | ah | 03:18 |
| * texrat slaps self | 03:18 | |
| * crashanddie helps self | 03:18 | |
| crashanddie | good self | 03:18 |
| * qwerty12_N810 stabs self | 03:18 | |
| texrat | ^ win | 03:18 |
| b-man17 | hmm | 03:18 |
| b-man17 | ~slap himself | 03:19 |
| * infobot slaps himself, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! | 03:19 | |
| b-man17 | lol | 03:19 |
| texrat | god I leave AMS rainign and damned if it ain't doing the same at home | 03:19 |
| crashanddie | and there you go, a slap, a helping hand, a praise, result: a dead qwerty | 03:19 |
| texrat | ^ win | 03:19 |
| crashanddie | texrat, hint, it's not the same cloud | 03:19 |
| texrat | I refuse to believe that | 03:19 |
| texrat | fucker followed me | 03:19 |
| crashanddie | texrat, clouds don't live long at 600 mph | 03:19 |
| texrat | 600 mph rainstorm | 03:20 |
| texrat | lol | 03:20 |
| qwerty12_N810 | C'mon, why would it willingly go to Texas? | 03:20 |
| texrat | simutype | 03:20 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N810, good point | 03:20 |
| texrat | because Texas always needs rain? | 03:20 |
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| texrat | we have a perpetual rain vacuum | 03:20 |
| crashanddie | Texas needs a lot of things, not sure rain is a priority | 03:20 |
| texrat | tell that to the plants | 03:20 |
| lcuk | it tries to get there but is put off with all the rainbow farts | 03:20 |
| texrat | shit, then, it's MY fault | 03:21 |
| crashanddie | actually, rainbows require rain | 03:21 |
| texrat | not mine | 03:21 |
| lcuk | you and you only, we were hoping you would keep it dry in ams | 03:21 |
| texrat | I did my job on Thursday | 03:21 |
| crashanddie | and got fired on friday? | 03:21 |
| texrat | not sure yet | 03:21 |
| crashanddie | god I'd love to be fired | 03:22 |
| * crashanddie slaps self | 03:22 | |
| texrat | hey, who votes to add a 10 minute talk to next year's format? | 03:22 |
| crashanddie | why the fuck would I say that on a logged channel? | 03:22 |
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| texrat | so I don't get so goddammed embarassed again | 03:22 |
| crashanddie | texrat, you did good | 03:22 |
| lcuk | better than i! | 03:22 |
| texrat | "time's up, asshole, get off the bloody stage!" | 03:22 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, yours was technifail | 03:23 |
| qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie: Don't worry, they don't know you're Sebastian Lauwers of London | 03:23 |
| crashanddie | next year, go for technicolour | 03:23 |
| texrat | it's his fault for spelling luck wrong | 03:23 |
| texrat | lol qwerty | 03:23 |
| lcuk | lol crashanddie - texrats presentation is in color | 03:23 |
| lcuk | mine will be something completely different | 03:23 |
| texrat | a rainbow even | 03:23 |
| texrat | I farted it during lunch | 03:23 |
| texrat | half the table cleared | 03:24 |
| crashanddie | texrat, bonus points if you remember this rainbow farting thing next year and put a rainbow at a random point in your talk | 03:24 |
| texrat | hee | 03:24 |
| lcuk | :D | 03:24 |
| * texrat saves advance presentation file | 03:24 | |
| crashanddie | anyway | 03:24 |
| crashanddie | time for bed | 03:24 |
| crashanddie | take care people | 03:24 |
| lcuk | gnite seb | 03:24 |
| texrat | I'll do it if lcuk includes a unicorn in his | 03:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Night, crashanddie | 03:25 |
| texrat | later bastiEn | 03:25 |
| crashanddie | texrat, I'll put a badger in my talk next year | 03:25 |
| b-man17 | see ya crashhanddie | 03:25 |
| texrat | awesome | 03:25 |
| texrat | and a banana phone | 03:25 |
| texrat | ooo | 03:25 |
| crashanddie | (the only reason for that, is that I encountered a big badger in my ride tonight) | 03:25 |
| crashanddie | they're very cute, up to the point where they charge and growl | 03:26 |
| texrat | a baby badger could kick your ass | 03:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | A mouse trap will kill your ass | 03:27 |
| texrat | I don't wanna see that mouse | 03:27 |
| * SpeedEvil has mice in the walls. | 03:28 | |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 03:28 | |
| SpeedEvil | ~12 traps around, but the damn things are chewing stuff in there. | 03:28 |
| infobot | I think you lost me on that one, SpeedEvil | 03:28 |
| SpeedEvil | And making lots of noise | 03:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Put C4 in the walls | 03:28 |
| SpeedEvil | I think I'm going for the slightly less radical step of demolishing them with a hammer | 03:29 |
| texrat | Hey GeneralAntilles: http://www.freesound.org/ | 03:29 |
| SpeedEvil | (and then reinstalling with insulation) (and mouseproofing) | 03:30 |
| texrat | I see we have destroyed the maemo wiki | 03:30 |
| texrat | yay Nokia for server speed and resilience! | 03:30 |
| lcuk | texrat, as a member of the council, put a request in and see whether the licensed sound can be used in a maemo.org context | 03:31 |
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| lcuk | if it is indeed licensed | 03:31 |
| texrat | nobody listens to me lcuk | 03:31 |
| lcuk | could the sound just be rerecorded | 03:31 |
| lcuk | mmm | 03:31 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: Actually, you could have lcuk saying "maemo.org" in his accent. Then again, that may cause a rush of people wanting to remove it... | 03:31 |
| texrat | I got voted in by people hoping to see me do soemthign stupid :D | 03:31 |
| texrat | see, I can't even spell "something" | 03:31 |
| lcuk | well now we know thats not gonna happen, how about doin something practical :P | 03:32 |
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| texrat | wow... never thought of that... | 03:32 |
| texrat | geez, do you think I could? | 03:32 |
| lcuk | nopers | 03:32 |
| lcuk | this is you | 03:32 |
| lcuk | :D | 03:32 |
| texrat | thanks for getting my hope up, damn you | 03:32 |
| texrat | sodd off :p | 03:32 |
| texrat | or sod | 03:33 |
| * lcuk raises a glass | 03:33 | |
| * texrat drinks | 03:33 | |
| texrat | kippis | 03:33 |
| lcuk | oi! that was mine | 03:33 |
| texrat | lol | 03:33 |
| texrat | I did by the obligatory Amsterdam shot glass | 03:33 |
| texrat | my collection grows | 03:33 |
| lcuk | heh cool, how many now | 03:34 |
| texrat | 6 | 03:34 |
| texrat | buy* | 03:34 |
| lcuk | more than most, but not yet epic then :P | 03:34 |
| texrat | I'll hit epic by 80 or so | 03:34 |
| lcuk | has anyone ever been to a barcamp | 03:35 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Camp? :\ | 03:36 |
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| lcuk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp | 03:36 |
| texrat | wow, wonder if BarCamp could work for Maemo 2010 summit... | 03:38 |
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| lcuk | well i might have the opportunity to get down to london for one at the end of the month | 03:40 |
| texrat | GeneralAntilles you still here? | 03:40 |
| qwerty12_N810 | He's on the beach | 03:40 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: I'd make sure that it is a sure thing. Manchester... Bleh | 03:41 |
| lcuk | hah | 03:41 |
| texrat | maemo sound effect nominee: http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=30938 | 03:41 |
| texrat | or: http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=27281 | 03:42 |
| texrat | or:http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=25076 | 03:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | How about a Garage version of the Nokia Tune | 03:43 |
| texrat | or: http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=62260 | 03:43 |
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| texrat | I like this one: http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=25070 | 03:44 |
| texrat | ooo, this one pans! http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=25075 | 03:44 |
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| texrat | cool one: http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=2248 | 03:45 |
| lcuk | texrat, the middle one sounds like what i want when scrolling | 03:45 |
| texrat | more audio spam: http://www.freesound.org/searchText.php?search=whoosh&start=30&searchDescriptions=1&searchTags=1&searchFilenames=0&searchUsernames=0&order=1 | 03:46 |
| * lcuk wants wind noise, or book pages flapping ideally | 03:46 | |
| texrat | lcuk, take 'em-- these are all freeware | 03:46 |
| lcuk | similar, wouldnt work right - it just remined me of it | 03:46 |
| texrat | interesting one: http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=19309 | 03:47 |
| qwerty12_N810 | texrat: Next time you produce a rainbow, use the sound recorder on the tablet | 03:47 |
| texrat | lcuk you can find ANY sound at this site | 03:47 |
| lcuk | hahahaha | 03:47 |
| texrat | qwerty12_N810 I would break it | 03:47 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N810, its mono too | 03:48 |
| lcuk | texrats' eruptions are more ummm vibrant | 03:48 |
| qwerty12_N810 | texrat: nonsense, my N800 still works and it's been in my hands for years... | 03:48 |
| qwerty12_N810 | heh | 03:48 |
| SpeedEvil | qwerty12_N810: you should probably put it down occasionally. | 03:49 |
| qwerty12_N810 | But that'd be no fun :( | 03:49 |
| texrat | I was fighting gas before my aborted speech-- was so afraid I'd let 'er rip on stage | 03:50 |
| texrat | I think my pants were swelling | 03:50 |
| texrat | oo this one's nice: http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=63373 | 03:51 |
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| * lcuk laughs heartily | 03:51 | |
| lcuk | you just recorded that texrat ? | 03:51 |
| texrat | no | 03:51 |
| texrat | pulling them off site | 03:52 |
| zerojay | Heh.. I just got a PM from that moron that was posting links to some movie site directly on TMO. | 03:52 |
| * qwerty12_N810 siphons texrat's fart into lcuk's open mouth | 03:52 | |
| texrat | ack | 03:52 |
| zerojay | "yeah you must be a real,hoot at a party.. " | 03:52 |
| * lcuk promptly dies | 03:52 | |
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| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: That one who was making up that shit about getting it tested on the N900? | 03:53 |
| zerojay | Probably. | 03:53 |
| zerojay | My response: "And I'm sure you're the one that likes doing incredibly stupid shit at parties that gets them shut down and ruins the night for everyone." | 03:53 |
| texrat | this is for lcuk: http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=37733 | 03:53 |
| zerojay | qwerty12_N810: Name is slartibart | 03:53 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: Ah, different guy | 03:54 |
| texrat | this is for zerojay: http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=38594 | 03:54 |
| * lcuk has started to get many "servicing request from [ip]" recently | 03:55 | |
| lcuk | wtf is that all about | 03:55 |
| lcuk | texrat, eww | 03:55 |
| texrat | my oldest son likes this one: http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=546 | 03:56 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: "servicing request" says it all | 03:56 |
| texrat | classic: http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=53922 | 03:56 |
| lcuk | which means what | 03:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ~$100 | 03:57 |
| zerojay | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=345876#post345876 - :) | 03:57 |
| * infobot gives qwerty12_n810 full service! | 03:57 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: You may be able to figure it out from the above | 03:57 |
| zerojay | TMO mods awake? | 03:57 |
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| lcuk | zerojay, reggie has already looked over the thread i believe | 03:58 |
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| zerojay | k | 03:58 |
| texrat | sheer poetry: http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=47247 | 03:59 |
| * lcuk is listenin to coldplay now | 04:00 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: Tired? | 04:00 |
| lcuk | yeah, managed to do something cool tonight i think | 04:00 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Ah, good: Coldplay is a nice way to make you go to sleep quickly | 04:01 |
| texrat | zerojay yay drama! | 04:01 |
| zerojay | texrat: Gotta love it. ;) | 04:01 |
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| texrat | zerojay: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=345881&posted=1#post345881 | 04:03 |
| zerojay | texrat: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=345882&postcount=7 | 04:04 |
| texrat | http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=79667 | 04:04 |
| zerojay | Dunno if Jay's joking or not, but whatever. ;P | 04:04 |
| texrat | he is | 04:05 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Texrat will sort him out | 04:05 |
| texrat | from what? | 04:05 |
| zerojay | I'm not worried about it. He seems to be alright anyways. | 04:05 |
| texrat | he looks like everyone else :p | 04:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | texrat, just got back from the grocery store. | 04:05 |
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| texrat | jayonthebeat is my protege | 04:05 |
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| zerojay | Yeah, I noticed. :) | 04:06 |
| texrat | GeneralAntilles: I linked you several whoosh sounds above. Ignore the farts (or use as you wish) | 04:06 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Poor guy | 04:06 |
| zerojay | Anyone else having trouble logging in to MSN with the telepathy plugins suddenly? | 04:06 |
| texrat | shaddap | 04:06 |
| texrat | this is for qwerty: http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=79664 | 04:07 |
| texrat | even better: http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=79660 | 04:07 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | /nick freesoundwhore | 04:07 |
| qwerty12_N810 | :) | 04:07 |
| texrat | GeneralAntilles: start with a whoosh and end with a grenade ftw. | 04:07 |
| texrat | lol | 04:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 04:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm just going to use the UT2004 intro clip. :P | 04:08 |
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| texDrat | RRRRRRRRRRRRampage!!! | 04:08 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | The music in the Trophy Room of UT99 was the best | 04:08 |
| lcuk | MMMMMMMonsterkill | 04:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpzIC0ob8Ec | 04:08 |
| *** texDrat is now known as TexStraat | 04:09 | |
| TexStraat | that was the name of an Amsterdam street | 04:09 |
| *** qwerty12_N810 is now known as TexAss | 04:09 | |
| TexStraat | Blue team SCOOORES!!!! | 04:09 |
| TexAss | Hint, hint | 04:09 |
| TexStraat | ... | 04:09 |
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| TexStraat | crap now I wanna play an FPS | 04:10 |
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| * lcuk is puttin ut99 on as we speak | 04:10 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Tremulous | 04:10 |
| * qwerty12_N810 misses UT99 | 04:10 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Free and open source. | 04:10 |
| TexStraat | http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=78825 | 04:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, there's something about those dual Enforcers. | 04:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | No UT since has been quite the same. | 04:11 |
| TexStraat | I am just here for the deejay work | 04:11 |
| sin18 | has google changed its url for google maps again; maemo mapper - n800/diablo - cannot download maps (http://mt0.google.com/mt/v=w2.95&hl=en&x=%d&y=%d&zoom=%d) | 04:11 |
| TexStraat | http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=78824 | 04:11 |
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| * qwerty12_N810 fires up Q3 with its auto-aim... | 04:13 | |
| GeneralAntilles | TexStraat, after Quim's LinuxTag talk I tried to cut it up to get him saying "Maemo" as a pronunciation example. | 04:13 |
| TexStraat | http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=62050 | 04:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wish I still had those clips, they all turned into incomprehensible gibberish. | 04:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be great to mix them together. :D | 04:13 |
| TexStraat | lol | 04:13 |
| * lcuk vanishes, cyas later | 04:14 | |
| * lcuk is doin the skyscraper level | 04:14 | |
| TexStraat | http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=78484 | 04:14 |
| TexStraat | LMAO... GeneralAntilles, THIS is your intro sound: http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=77405 | 04:15 |
| TexStraat | perfect! | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack wants to get me murdered FLS. | 04:16 |
| TexStraat | ? | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | He was asking if I had an N900 for the Mer booth. :D | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | TexStraat, lol. | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | I might just have to do that one. | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | 10 seconds is took long, though. | 04:17 |
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| TexStraat | compress or edit | 04:17 |
| TexStraat | have the maemo logo shake at the end | 04:17 |
| TexStraat | accelerometer effect...lol | 04:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: Do it anyway. We've already made the best of you into a bot | 04:18 |
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| TexStraat | here ya go GA: http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=73593 | 04:22 |
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| zerojay | I must have fucked something up with sending my public key to garage or something... anyone help me out maybe? | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Use the Extras assistant? | 04:24 |
| Texrat | Jay, did YOU bring down the wiki??? | 04:24 |
| zerojay | Texrat: I could bring down just about anything. lol | 04:25 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Guess I could. | 04:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.legocyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/letni_dnuos.mp3 | 04:25 |
| zerojay | Texrat: Oh shit... it's down again? | 04:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.leghttp://www.legocyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/letni_dnuoscyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/letni_dnuos.mp3 | 04:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oops | 04:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Texrat, I wish you luck in cleaning up that wiki. ;) | 04:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | All of my previous efforts have resulted in lots of talk and zero action. | 04:27 |
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| Texrat | GeneralAntilles: I will just do the best I can, no more | 04:29 |
| Texrat | one item at a time ;) | 04:29 |
| Texrat | <GeneralAntilles> http://www.legocyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/letni_dnuos.mp3 = 404 | 04:29 |
| Texrat | same with 2nd link | 04:30 |
| qwerty12_N810 | legocy | 04:30 |
| zerojay | Question... am I uploading *_source.changes or *.changes? | 04:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | legacy | 04:30 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: source | 04:31 |
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| zerojay | qwerty12_N810: And the others are without _source as it says, correct? | 04:32 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Yeah, you should be asked to upload a tar.gz and a dsc after the changes | 04:32 |
| * zerojay clicks "move files to autobuilder" and dances. | 04:33 | |
| * Texrat blinds self after imagining zerojay dancing | 04:34 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | Texrat is dazzled easily | 04:34 |
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| zerojay | Last time I tried dancing, at a girl's request and lead, I almost went through her parents entertainment center. | 04:35 |
| Texrat | hey it must be time for me to tell how EIPI got hit on by a couple of ladies in Amsterdam | 04:35 |
| zerojay | Really? haha. | 04:36 |
| zerojay | Real ladies? | 04:36 |
| Texrat | he said he was canadian and one said, "good, I don't like Americans" | 04:36 |
| zerojay | lol | 04:36 |
| Texrat | whereupon I proceeded to let her dig herself in | 04:36 |
| zerojay | Average app approval times: | 04:36 |
| Texrat | his brownness was a clever discuss | 04:37 |
| Texrat | disguise | 04:37 |
| zerojay | Apple iPhone - 38 days | 04:37 |
| zerojay | WinMo - 4 days | 04:37 |
| Texrat | lol | 04:37 |
| zerojay | Android - 7 seconds | 04:37 |
| Texrat | Microosft will allow anything | 04:37 |
| Texrat | ... | 04:37 |
| Texrat | Microsoft | 04:37 |
| clmntch | when you make a multi-column HildonTouchSelector are the rows in each column independant of each other? | 04:37 |
| Hydroxide | heh, woo nokia for giving a really confusingly blank green bar for the N900 at http://www.nokiausa.com/find-products/phones?intc=prdcts-fw-ilc-fp_prd01-con-na-nokiacom-us-na-ph_001 | 04:37 |
| clmntch | or when you select one, the other is selected? sort of like a table | 04:37 |
| zerojay | That's according to Scoble... dunno how true all of that is except I do know iPhone sounds correct according to what I've personally seen. | 04:38 |
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| Texrat | lol Hydrozide | 04:38 |
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| Texrat | er, lol Hydroxide I mean | 04:38 |
| Texrat | I am sooo steamed that Ovi won't sync with N900...grrrr | 04:39 |
| * qwerty12_N810 introduces Texrat to the Tab key | 04:39 | |
| Hydroxide | Texrat: I pre-ordered a month and a half ago ... hopefully they do it in chronological order and I get it well before the end of october. we'll see... | 04:39 |
| * Texrat slaps qwerty | 04:39 | |
| Hydroxide | Texrat: can't it sync with lots of more standard stuff? why do you need to sync with Ovi? | 04:39 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Still forgot to use Tab | 04:39 |
| Texrat | because I have ALL my contacts on Ovi | 04:39 |
| Hydroxide | ah, heh | 04:40 |
| Texrat | wtf? tab? | 04:40 |
| zerojay | Texrat: Really? | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | He lurves Ovi. | 04:40 |
| Texrat | I am TRYING to lurve Ovi | 04:40 |
| zerojay | Texrat: I think you're the only one I know that even remotely uses Ovi then. | 04:40 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Texrat: You mean after all of the Ovi stuff on the N900, they've forgotten syncing? | 04:40 |
| Texrat | it is my goal to make the damn thign work or die | 04:40 |
| Texrat | there is no Ovi sync | 04:40 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: I hear lcuk and his finger love it too | 04:40 |
| Texrat | in fact you can't get past a certain point in dialogs | 04:40 |
| Hydroxide | Texrat: is there a reason you're set on ovi? again, if you can do syncml or opensync or something, it's a lot more standard and you can be compatible with lots of stuff | 04:41 |
| Texrat | I am set on Ovi because I want to help Nokia get it working | 04:41 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N810, i dont know about love, but for a brief moment i was in sync with ovi | 04:41 |
| Texrat | <--lazy bastard who likes the promise of Ovi | 04:41 |
| lcuk | noble target Texrat :) | 04:42 |
| Hydroxide | Texrat: so maybe write a ovi<->standardstuff connector? | 04:42 |
| zerojay | qwerty12_N810: Heh... i386 build failed... didn't know I had to do anything for i386. Suggestions? | 04:42 |
| Texrat | Hydroxide I am pushing Nokia | 04:42 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: Then it told you to GTFO and dumped your ass on the road | 04:42 |
| Texrat | I feel another Ovi watch blog article coming on... | 04:42 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: Got a link to the log? | 04:42 |
| Hydroxide | Texrat: if qgil's posts on the forum have any pattern to them, it's "nokia can't spend resources on X right now but we'd welcome it if the community felt like doing X" | 04:43 |
| Texrat | Hydroxide, that has nothing to do with Ovi | 04:43 |
| Hydroxide | Texrat: and really community participation is one of the biggest strengths of Maemo | 04:43 |
| Texrat | separate teams | 04:43 |
| Texrat | the syncing is broken on Ovi side | 04:44 |
| Hydroxide | ah... | 04:44 |
| Hydroxide | so there is an ovi sync client on the n900? | 04:44 |
| Texrat | half a client | 04:44 |
| Hydroxide | ah | 04:44 |
| Texrat | lol...it seems | 04:44 |
| Hydroxide | so they're trying to make it work but it doesn't ... that's different :) | 04:44 |
| Texrat | it tries to sync and can't complete the task... | 04:44 |
| Hydroxide | I don't have a device since I didn't go to maemo summit... | 04:44 |
| zerojay | qwerty12_N810: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/classic-gaming-wallpapers_1.3-1maemo1/i386.build.log.FAILED.txt | 04:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haaaa | 04:46 |
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| * Hydroxide is a debian developer but not very involved yet in maemo - never got into the habit of carrying my 770 or my n800 with me enough to start hacking much on them, because they were in addition to carrying a phone | 04:47 | |
| Hydroxide | hopefully this will change that. | 04:47 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: Is your architecture in debian/control any or all? | 04:47 |
| zerojay | Well, we'll be glad to have you. | 04:47 |
| zerojay | qwerty12_N810: I think it's any. :/ | 04:47 |
| lcuk | zerojay, shhh we might not be glad | 04:48 |
| zerojay | lcuk: lol... shaddap. :) | 04:48 |
| lcuk | :D debian devs are wild beasts | 04:48 |
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| zerojay | I figure I've run one person out of Maemo today, I might as well try to get someone to want to stay too. ;) | 04:48 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: Make it all; there's no need to have it built twice for i386 and arm anyway | 04:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hydroxide, might want to talk to jeremiah. He hails from Debian, too. | 04:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, psh, it's not about the quantity, it's about the quality. :P | 04:49 |
| lcuk | Hydroxide, which phone do you hack on atm | 04:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get back to me when you manage to run some long-timers out. :D | 04:49 |
| zerojay | qwerty12_N810: Hey... by the way, thanks for helping me out with all this. You've been nothing but patient with me and extremely helpful. | 04:49 |
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| Hydroxide | lcuk: right now I don't hack on a phone - very few are hackable in a debian-geek-friendly way. I'm looking forward to the N900 | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, everybody's foot stool. :P | 04:50 |
| Hydroxide | GeneralAntilles: is he involved in the debian community or a debian user who hasn't gotten involved in the debian community? no problem either way, but just trying to think if I might know him | 04:50 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: No problem, Streets of Rage did it for me :p | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hydroxide, Jeremiah Foster? Packages Perl stuff, current http://maemo.org debmaster. | 04:51 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: Don't make me make a shitton of camelCase wiki articles | 04:51 |
| lcuk | camelcase should be all lowercase | 04:51 |
| Hydroxide | GeneralAntilles: oh, there's his name in the pkg-perl alioth project. cool. | 04:52 |
| zerojay | qwerty12_N810: One Chrono Trigger and two Earthbound backgrounds in this new .deb. | 04:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | droool | 04:53 |
| * qwerty12_N810 has never played either :/ | 04:53 | |
| GeneralAntilles | ! | 04:53 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: It was you that was asking, wasn't it? | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, that's why we have all of these wonderful emulators on the N900. :P | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Earthbound | 04:54 |
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| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: The Chrono Trigger one is 1000AD's world map. Earthbound is Onett and Threed. | 04:54 |
| zerojay | Onett needed major changes to make it loopable, so it's not 100% faithful... Threed got VERY minor changes. | 04:54 |
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| zerojay | But they should be very familar, even with the changes. | 04:55 |
| Texrat | ok girls, gotta bail | 04:55 |
| Texrat | try to keep young qwerty out of the gutter | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'night | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too late. | 04:55 |
| lcuk | gnite Texrat | 04:55 |
| Texrat | ah | 04:55 |
| Texrat | later | 04:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Girls? And this is coming from a Texan? | 04:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | See ya | 04:55 |
| * GeneralAntilles prods qwerty12 with his shoe. | 04:55 | |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Ow | 04:56 |
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| bfrog | is there any money to be made with maemo? | 05:03 |
| zerojay | My boss comes by my desk and sees me playing Super Mario World on the N900 and using a Wii devkit wiimote to play it with. | 05:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | and now you're porting Assassin's Creed? | 05:04 |
| zerojay | She goes, "What are you doooooing?" in a singsong way. | 05:04 |
| zerojay | And when I show her, she looks at me and goes "it's a good thing you aren't evil." | 05:04 |
| qwerty12_N810 | She's gonna get together with that mall guy to rob you of your N900 | 05:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | If only she knew. | 05:04 |
| zerojay | lol | 05:04 |
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| zerojay | classic-game-wallpapers has been queued for loading into fremantle extras-devel - YAY! | 05:06 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Nice | 05:06 |
| zerojay | I love that the interface says "your package will be done in 15-30 minutes" and in the time it takes for me to reload the page, it's already done. :P | 05:07 |
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| * GeneralAntilles refreshes the package list again. | 05:22 | |
| zerojay | Still waiting for the import process, probably. | 05:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | MST3k on Netflix. | 05:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Awesome. | 05:23 |
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| orbarron|OoO | all: does someone have Maemo 5 file system up and running? I am looking for /etc/event.d I would like to see the whole file. | 05:32 |
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| orbarron|OoO | anyone.... | 05:34 |
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| samad | Hello i want to implemennts contacts show , phone call and SMS's for N-900 , I found "telepathy-glib" but i dont know the the way | 05:44 |
| samad | is there anybody who can help me to start ......... | 05:44 |
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| ensi | samad: have a look at osso-abook for showing contacts | 06:11 |
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| samad | ensi, i am very beginer, could u plz tell me the other tow mean SMS's and phone call | 06:13 |
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| ensi | i think you can start those through the contact chooser dialog | 06:16 |
| ensi | you can find this too in osso-abook | 06:16 |
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| samad | I have found "osso-abook-init" | 06:18 |
| samad | ensi I have found "osso-abook-init" | 06:18 |
| samad | but limited API | 06:18 |
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| kybalion | Hello. | 06:35 |
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| kybalion | Today I met a brilliant young linux using child with an unsupportive mother. | 06:35 |
| kybalion | And I just decided to pull out my old 770 from the closet and give it to him next time I see him. | 06:35 |
| kybalion | What should I flash to it first? | 06:36 |
| kybalion | The latest 2007HE? | 06:36 |
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| bigbrovar | kybalion: Am giving out my N810 to a young linux new user hehe | 06:37 |
| kybalion | Cool. | 06:38 |
| kybalion | This kid really sort of reminds me of me kind of thing. | 06:38 |
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| ensi | samad: take the osso-abook dev package and start reading the headers | 06:39 |
| kybalion | Doesn't have internet at home, and the internet cafe he hangs out in only lets him get online when the 2 computers they have aren't being used by paying customers. | 06:39 |
| kybalion | But they provide free wifi. | 06:39 |
| samad | ensi thanks a lot | 06:39 |
| bigbrovar | kybalion: sorry IDK about the 770 why not try the latest official image , the also try the HE and make a comparison | 06:39 |
| ensi | samad: osso-abook is badly documented so you really need to read the headers :/ | 06:40 |
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| kybalion | bigbrovar, because I don't want to spend all night comparing when I'm just going to give it away tommorrow. | 06:40 |
| ensi | samad: http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_using_abook.html#basics | 06:40 |
| samad | thanks | 06:40 |
| samad | ensi thanks | 06:40 |
| ensi | yw | 06:40 |
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| kybalion | Guess I'll check out mer like the topic suggests | 06:42 |
| bigbrovar | kybalion: which ever u decide to go with, make sure its stable enough for kid's basic needs .. had to reflash my n810 removing my mer dualboot before i gave it out | 06:44 |
| kybalion | This kid derives enjoyment from hacking /ns | 06:45 |
| kybalion | Erm, from hacking away in linux. | 06:46 |
| kybalion | So if it doesn't work, I think I can tell him to enjoy fixing it. | 06:46 |
| bigbrovar | in that case knocking him out then ;) | 06:46 |
| kybalion | Um, do I have to have linux installed to install Mer to my 770? | 06:49 |
| kybalion | Ignore that, taking it to #mer | 06:50 |
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| ensi | kybalion: whats wrong with that kid? :/ | 06:54 |
| kybalion | Aspie, I guess. | 06:54 |
| kybalion | ;) | 06:54 |
| kybalion | I think what I'm going to do is tell him that if he get the latest testing version of Mer running on it, he can have it. | 06:55 |
| kybalion | :D | 06:55 |
| kybalion | That way, it's not a gift, it's a reward. | 06:56 |
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| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: pizza. | 07:02 |
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| kybalion | Okay, so I'll install the latest stable which is 2006. | 07:06 |
| kybalion | To teach him the value of flashing unapproved files onto devices for fun and profit. | 07:07 |
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| kybalion | Thanks! | 07:09 |
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| spencer_ | does anyone use xephyr on the ubuntu karmic? | 07:12 |
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| zgold | What are the typical steps to see why a widget won't show up in the list? (This is a c widget, not a python one) | 07:32 |
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| kybalion | Um, any advice on flashing a 770 from Windows 7 x64? | 07:35 |
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| kybalion | Windows fails to find a driver for "Nokia 770 (Update Mode)" | 07:36 |
| fernand0 | is Windows Vista x64 supported for flashing devices? | 07:37 |
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| fernand0 | Operating system: | 07:39 |
| fernand0 | * Windows Vista x32 and x64 editions | 07:39 |
| fernand0 | yup so it should work with no issues | 07:39 |
| kybalion | Yeah. | 07:40 |
| kybalion | I get three different instances of that when I connect. | 07:41 |
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| kybalion | I'm begininng to remember why I never used this thing very much. | 07:43 |
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| kybalia | Nokia Flashing Cable Driver is installed in the control panel. | 07:58 |
| kybalia | So happy a driver for the cable is installed.... | 07:58 |
| kybalia | heh | 07:58 |
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| kybalia | This is what I get for being an early adopter. | 08:01 |
| kybalia | If I wasn't, I'd neither own this thing or be running Windows 7. | 08:01 |
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| microlith | own waht thing? | 08:04 |
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| kybalia | 770 | 08:07 |
| Sargun_screen | So rumour has it that Nokia N900s should be shipped by the last week of October for the US | 08:08 |
| Sargun_screen | or should start shipping | 08:08 |
| |R | let's scare people for halloween! | 08:08 |
| samad | ensi , i have found how to show contact list now need your help how can be established phone call and SMS | 08:09 |
| Sargun_screen | |R: Sounds like an excellent idea | 08:09 |
| ensi | samad: i dont know the answer. I think there's a contacts dialog or something in osso-abook that can start phone calls | 08:10 |
| microlith | Sargun_screen: one of many rumors, I've seen another that says next monday. | 08:10 |
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| samad | ensi, ok i am trying thank u for ur quick answer | 08:11 |
| ensi | nop | 08:12 |
| Sargun_screen | microlith: The rumour about the end of the month is a bit more substantiated | 08:13 |
| ShadowJK | what counts as shupping? first unit going out or queue emptied to day-long in length? | 08:14 |
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| * RST38h moos | 08:15 | |
| ensi | you guys know how can i find a location of an application on n900? Say i have a shortcut but i dont know where the actual binary is | 08:15 |
| Sargun_screen | ShadowJK: first unit | 08:16 |
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| zgold | woot, xkcd widget works :) | 08:27 |
| RST38h | ensi: xterm, "which <appbinaryname> | 08:28 |
| RST38h | ensi: usually /usr/bin | 08:28 |
| ensi | RST38h: no. i mean i have a shortcut on the desktop and i wanna know where it points to | 08:29 |
| zgold | any advise for making an image into a button without seeing the button styling? (e.g. just the image) | 08:31 |
| zerojay | Don't do it. | 08:33 |
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| zerojay | Users have an expectation that anything pressable will have that button styling. | 08:33 |
| zgold | I believe this is an exception | 08:33 |
| RST38h | ensi: usr/share/applications/hildon | 08:34 |
| zerojay | zgold: How so? | 08:34 |
| * RST38h has no such expectation | 08:34 | |
| zgold | zerojay: its an image. Thats it. Its going on the desktop, and when the user clicks it I want it to open in the photo viewer | 08:34 |
| zgold | or maybe the browser | 08:34 |
| zerojay | Oh, a widget. | 08:35 |
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| RST38h | zgold: You can use GtkImage widget and attach a callback on click | 08:35 |
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| zgold | RST38h: I tried to connect to the 'clicked' event | 08:35 |
| zgold | although im just now discovering wht an EventBox is | 08:35 |
| RST38h | "GtkImage is a "no window" widget (has no GdkWindow of its own), so by default does not receive events. If you want to receive events on the image, such as button clicks, place the image inside a GtkEventBox, then connect to the event signals on the event box. " | 08:36 |
| zgold | :-) I figured that out the hard way -- where did you find such helpful documentation? | 08:36 |
| zgold | (EventBox worked perfectly, btw) | 08:36 |
| RST38h | http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/GtkImage.html | 08:37 |
| zgold | ty :) | 08:37 |
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| zerojay | zgold: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Human_Interface_Guidelines/Desktop_Widget_UI_Guidelines#Interaction might also be helpful to make sure your widget fits the rest. | 08:38 |
| zgold | Yeah, I fully intend for this widget to be abnormal and take up an entire desktop | 08:39 |
| ensi | hmm a memory card comes up in the device tree ? | 08:39 |
| * zerojay rolls his eyes. | 08:40 | |
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| * RST38h wonders if he should tell zerojay what he thinks of the quoted URLs, then decides to skip on profanity this time | 08:40 | |
| zerojay | RST38h: What's the big problem with them? | 08:40 |
| zgold | Don't get me wrong -- I am all for UI guidelines | 08:41 |
| zgold | but this isn't a normal widget. Its a comic displayer, which really doesn't have value unless you can actually see the whole comic | 08:41 |
| RST38h | In polite terms, they try to enforce the same UI for everybody independently on whether it fits the purpose, and the UI definition itself is far from perfect | 08:42 |
| zerojay | zgold: Are you planning on making it scrollable? | 08:46 |
| zgold | zerojay: at the moment, no | 08:46 |
| zerojay | Not all of xkcd strips will fit 800x480. | 08:46 |
| zgold | probably will have to eventually | 08:46 |
| zgold | Agreed | 08:47 |
| zgold | just so happens that today's fits perfectly :) | 08:47 |
| zerojay | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/anatomy_text.png | 08:47 |
| zgold | good choice | 08:47 |
| zgold | proper way to spawn browser is dbus, yes? | 08:47 |
| zerojay | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/tech_support_cheat_sheet.png - I didn't realize they sometimes made them this big. :/ | 08:48 |
| zerojay | zgold: As far as I know, yes. | 08:48 |
| zgold | im looking for dbus docs :/ | 08:48 |
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| zgold | zerojay: you think panning is even possible on desktop? | 09:01 |
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| thp | X-Fade: ping | 09:14 |
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| RST38h | ab: Got the code + paper? | 09:24 |
| ab | RST38h, when did you send it? | 09:25 |
| RST38h | yesterday night to samba acct | 09:25 |
| ab | I do not see anything | 09:26 |
| RST38h | Hmmm...Ok, let me retry. Please msg some other email address | 09:26 |
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| traut | uh-oh, trying to install hermes | 10:37 |
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| lardman | morning | 10:38 |
| vesa | anyone used the n900 for a music-center? i'm wondering if the media player has some feature for importing playlists i've missed | 10:41 |
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| traut | morning | 10:42 |
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| lardman | samppa: ping | 10:56 |
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| lardman | come on Garage, can someone reboot the 770 please? | 11:01 |
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| crashanddie | word | 11:02 |
| crashanddie | o/ lardman | 11:02 |
| lardman | hey crashanddie, how's things | 11:02 |
| crashanddie | tired | 11:02 |
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| crashanddie | very tired | 11:02 |
| crashanddie | went for a bike ride last night | 11:02 |
| lardman | you're getting old ;) | 11:02 |
| crashanddie | 2 hours in the freezing cold around dorking | 11:02 |
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| lardman | nice! | 11:03 |
| crashanddie | absolutely beautiful, and very good fun, but seriously, my fingers were freezing | 11:03 |
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| crashanddie | (got new tyres my bike has well, immensely more amounts of grip) | 11:03 |
| crashanddie | lardman, how are you guys doing? Got back home AOK> | 11:03 |
| crashanddie | ? | 11:03 |
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| lardman | going back on topic briefly, something really does need to be done about Garage, it is painfully slow | 11:03 |
| lardman | crashanddie: yeah, long old day, but back and have slept a fair bit so most of the alcohol is out of my system now | 11:04 |
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| lardman | all those bloody Symbian users downloading Python I bet ;) | 11:05 |
| lardman | argh, connection refused, serve me right for badmouthing Garage | 11:07 |
| crashanddie | lardman, good | 11:08 |
| crashanddie | lardman, did holly enjoy herself? | 11:08 |
| lardman | yes, was nice for her to get away from work | 11:08 |
| crashanddie | I can't imagine being squashed between a bunch of geeks is most people's idea of a romantic weekend | 11:08 |
| crashanddie | gotta run, late for work | 11:08 |
| crashanddie | talk later | 11:08 |
| lardman | ah, wasn't supposed to be romantic, I was on work, she was tagging along | 11:08 |
| lardman | ok, cu later | 11:08 |
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| woglinde | hm gst-dsp and gst-ti now | 11:10 |
| lardman | yes, looks nice | 11:10 |
| lardman | or rather sounds nice, have not had a chance to look yet | 11:10 |
| woglinde | lardman to me it seems like a double work | 11:11 |
| lardman | yeah | 11:11 |
| woglinde | but gst-dsp seems to work around the prop stuff of ti | 11:11 |
| lardman | I've not looked closely, I presume there was a reason to do it | 11:11 |
| lardman | yep | 11:11 |
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| zaheerm | gst-dsp is i am told much much faster than using gst-openmax | 11:12 |
| lardman | zaheerm: cool | 11:12 |
| lardman | yay! someone's rebooted the 770! | 11:12 |
| zaheerm | tho i am a bit surprised the package installed on the n900 currently has no h264 decoding, so it will use the openmax h264 decoder for h264 clips currently | 11:13 |
| zaheerm | hopefully that will change | 11:13 |
| woglinde | zaheerm aehm gst-ti hast h264 support | 11:13 |
| woglinde | hm gst-dsp -> ou'll need these ringio.dll64P, usn.dll64P, and the corresponding | 11:14 |
| woglinde | 6 | 11:14 |
| woglinde | SN mp4vdec_sn.dll64P (MPEG-4 video), h264vdec_sn.dll64P (H.264). | 11:14 |
| woglinde | but no hint where to download | 11:14 |
| woglinde | hahahaaaa | 11:14 |
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| woglinde | ah hm they are in openmax | 11:18 |
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| ensi | openmax :| | 11:19 |
| mgedmin | avahi: still broken | 11:19 |
| woglinde | avahi suckz | 11:19 |
| mgedmin | (ordering of inistscripts) | 11:19 |
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| woglinde | like networkmanager | 11:20 |
| lardman | it would be nice if it worked though | 11:20 |
| lardman | e.g. at the summit | 11:20 |
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| woglinde | hm I like the gst-ti approach more looking at the stuff | 11:20 |
| frankS2 | anyone got theyre hands on n900? | 11:21 |
| lardman | Is till- Till Harbaum? | 11:21 |
| mgedmin | frankS2: yup | 11:21 |
| lardman | hey mgedmin | 11:22 |
| mgedmin | hey, lardman | 11:22 |
| frankS2 | mgedmin: nice, where did u get it? | 11:22 |
| zaheerm | frankS2, yah they lent everyone who was at summit on weekend one for 6 months | 11:23 |
| mgedmin | maemo summit in amsterdam | 11:23 |
| lardman | back of a truck ;) | 11:23 |
| frankS2 | oh sweet | 11:23 |
| frankS2 | anyone have an idea for when it comes for sale? | 11:23 |
| mgedmin | late october/early november | 11:23 |
| zaheerm | end of the month | 11:23 |
| frankS2 | niiice | 11:23 |
| frankS2 | :) | 11:23 |
| zaheerm | i cancelled my pre-order, will re-order when i have to give it back :) | 11:24 |
| * mgedmin has a laptop, a n900 and only one sim card with 3g | 11:24 | |
| * mgedmin desperately needs internet connection sharing | 11:24 | |
| woglinde | mgedmin and where is the problem? | 11:24 |
| mgedmin | there's no "pretend to be a wifi access point and share your 3g connection" option on my n900 | 11:25 |
| woglinde | use usbnet | 11:25 |
| mgedmin | afaiu there's some kind of crazy plug-in-usb-cable-and-run-nokia-pc-suite-on-laptop-to-use-the-n900-as-a-modem | 11:25 |
| zaheerm | mgedmin, only a matter of time before one makes a 3g wifif router on the n900 | 11:25 |
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| woglinde | maybee the wifi driver dont has ap support yet? | 11:25 |
| mgedmin | two problems: no pc suite on linux, n900 apps can't use connection at the same time, needs a cable | 11:26 |
| mgedmin | er, three problems | 11:26 |
| woglinde | which wifi card is in the n900? | 11:26 |
| woglinde | and which kernel at the moment? | 11:26 |
| mgedmin | I should look into usbnet, I suppose | 11:26 |
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| mgedmin | 2.6.28-omap1 | 11:26 |
| woglinde | ?????? | 11:26 |
| woglinde | omap1? | 11:26 |
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| woglinde | what a namingfuck | 11:26 |
| mgedmin | that's what uname -a says | 11:26 |
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| suihkulokki | -omap1 as in -rc1, -rc2 etc | 11:27 |
| suihkulokki | eg. the first omap patchlevel on top of 2.6.28 | 11:28 |
| lardman | mgedmin: the PC suite mode is just g_ether + some extra stuff | 11:28 |
| woglinde | suihkulokki lol you know there are omap1 omap2 and omap3 platforms | 11:28 |
| woglinde | so its namingfuck | 11:28 |
| lardman | it ought to work, but I didn't have enough time to make it work yesterday | 11:28 |
| mgedmin | lardman: that probably would make some kind of sense to me if read up on it (and had time to read up on it) | 11:28 |
| mgedmin | adhoc wifi between my n900 and my laptop was utter failure | 11:29 |
| lardman | I've never had much luck with adhoc | 11:29 |
| mgedmin | as in: I'm not competent enough to configure it | 11:29 |
| woglinde | mgedmin open a shell | 11:29 |
| mgedmin | "connecting to the adhoc wifi connection you created . . . . . . . . . failed" | 11:29 |
| woglinde | and look if there are iw or iwconfig now | 11:29 |
| mgedmin | iwconfig ain't there | 11:30 |
| mgedmin | iw ditto | 11:30 |
| woglinde | urgs | 11:30 |
| woglinde | same mistake as in diablo | 11:30 |
| mgedmin | might be installable from some repo somewhere | 11:30 |
| mgedmin | speaking of which, I need to add the tools repo | 11:31 |
| mgedmin | I hate typing urls by hand | 11:31 |
| mgedmin | is there a .install file somewhere I could click? | 11:31 |
| lardman | there used to be a site didn't there, just with lots of .install files | 11:31 |
| lardman | should add it as an enhancement request for maemo.org ;) | 11:32 |
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| mgedmin | are .install files even supported in maemo 5? | 11:35 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 11:35 |
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| mgedmin | then we should create one and put a link to it here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 | 11:35 |
| timeless_mbp | i think ovi store expects to use them | 11:35 |
| mgedmin | here's a working .install file: http://mg.pov.lt/770/tools-repository.install | 11:44 |
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| lardman | good to see you still use 770 in your urls, just like me | 11:46 |
| mgedmin | :) | 11:46 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 11:46 |
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| woglinde | lol | 11:46 |
| woglinde | I dont use any 770 stuff | 11:47 |
| mgedmin | cool urls don't change etc | 11:47 |
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| mgedmin | aah, sshfs at last | 11:48 |
| lardman | :) | 11:49 |
| lardman | bbl | 11:50 |
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| zaheerm | timeless, thx for the comment on the prioritypass website bug | 11:52 |
| mgedmin | is there a way of hosting that .install file somewhere within the maemo.org domain? | 11:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | zaheerm: =) | 11:53 |
| timeless_mbp | thanks for being responsive, it's very much appreciated | 11:53 |
| mgedmin | lack of icons for the home ip applet: known bug, or something broken on my n900 only? | 11:55 |
| zaheerm | timeless_mbp, yes it was a problem with the site then, i didn't have anything but my n900 when going to that site on sunday..when i got back i tried with firefox and it worked, assumed it was an n900 issue without checking it on the n900 at time and posted the bug | 11:55 |
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| zaheerm | does n900 skype support being called by a computer into a skype multi-user conference? | 11:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | zaheerm: it shouldn't know the difference, right? | 11:58 |
| timeless_mbp | want to call me? | 11:58 |
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| zaheerm | timeless_mbp, well i have a meeting in a minute where they'll call me over skype :) | 11:59 |
| timeless_mbp | zaheerm: ah yes, people should definitely test with their device at the time of filing :) | 11:59 |
| timeless_mbp | zaheerm: oh, well... easy enough for you to test :) | 11:59 |
| zaheerm | timeless_mbp, yes next bug i'll test with device at time of filing :) | 12:00 |
| timeless_mbp | :), life is a learning experience | 12:00 |
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| zaheerm | i have a gtk VBox and i put a hildon button in it below a TouchSelector and 2 hildon entries but button looks weird, as if it is 2 buttons but with text centred over the crack in the two buttons...however it works as one button | 12:02 |
| mgedmin | zaheerm: the n810 worked just fine in multi-user skyperences | 12:02 |
| mgedmin | couldn't initiate one from the ui, but when called could participate just fine | 12:02 |
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| mgedmin | zaheerm: my guess would be that you're allowing the widget to expand, and the theme only supports fixed-height buttons | 12:03 |
| zaheerm | mgedmin, interesting...i just used the default settings for vbox | 12:05 |
| mgedmin | yeah, well | 12:05 |
| mgedmin | one of the things that irritated me most about glade was that you had to fiddle with all kinds of settings to make a UI conform to the HIG | 12:05 |
| mgedmin | instead of glade setting up the defaults for you | 12:05 |
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| zaheerm | i'm not using glade | 12:09 |
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| zaheerm | or libglade, just creating ui manually | 12:09 |
| mgedmin | right | 12:10 |
| mgedmin | IIRC when you add a widget to a vbox, you can specify whether you want it to expand or not | 12:10 |
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| mgedmin | gtk_box_pack_start(vbox, button, FALSE, FALSE, 0) | 12:12 |
| zaheerm | aah i just did, add...will use pack_start | 12:14 |
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| zaheerm | mgedmin: thx | 12:20 |
| zaheerm | mgedmin, it fixed it nicely | 12:20 |
| Macer | i love the original star trek | 12:21 |
| Macer | an interstellar space ship with the capabilities of destroying entire planets.. and they still take photographs :) | 12:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | could someone try loading http://www.altinportakal.org.tr/ | 12:23 |
| Macer | it saysy 10 | 12:25 |
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| zaheerm | timeless_mbp, has a picture of a man's chest | 12:27 |
| timeless_mbp | it's supposedly a ... actually, i dunno | 12:27 |
| timeless_mbp | try using it | 12:27 |
| zaheerm | aah wrong one | 12:27 |
| Macer | haha | 12:28 |
| Macer | timeless_mbp: it uses flash or something | 12:28 |
| zaheerm | yah has flash | 12:28 |
| Macer | don't think i have it on my tb :) | 12:28 |
| zaheerm | with annoying sound | 12:28 |
| Macer | haha | 12:28 |
| Macer | ah well.. i have to take a shower.. later | 12:28 |
| Myrtti | Robot101: have you btw advertised on the clug mailing list? | 12:28 |
| Myrtti | stupid question, I just looked and it seems you haven't | 12:29 |
| RST38h | Moo, Macer, Myrtti | 12:29 |
| Myrtti | moo RST38h | 12:29 |
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| Macer | word | 12:29 |
| Macer | bbl | 12:29 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:31 |
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| samad | ensi, libosso-abook compilation erorr libosso-abook/osso-abook-contact-detail-store.h:65: error: comma at end of enumerator list | 12:42 |
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| woglinde | hi jaffa | 12:42 |
| sarower | Hello all, Good morning | 12:42 |
| woglinde | hi rst | 12:42 |
| sarower | Problem in the library, libosso-abook-1.0 | 12:42 |
| sarower | Compilation error... | 12:42 |
| ensi | samad: is that the only error? | 12:43 |
| sarower | Is there any body, who knows about it | 12:43 |
| RST38h | heya woglinde | 12:43 |
| sarower | ? | 12:43 |
| timeless_mbp | anyone here use twitter? | 12:43 |
| sarower | ensi: I think there are some other errors | 12:44 |
| sarower | ensi: So it might be the problem of the library.... | 12:45 |
| samad | ensi, there is another error ibosso-abook/osso-abook-contact.h:234: error: invalid conversion from 'const void*' to 'const char*' | 12:45 |
| samad | 12:45 | |
| sarower | ensi: The people did something wrong with that library | 12:45 |
| samad | error: invalid conversion from 'int' to 'OssoABookCapsFla | 12:46 |
| sarower | ensi: Look at the code of, "osso-abook-button.h" typedef enum { | 12:47 |
| sarower | OSSO_ABOOK_BUTTON_STYLE_NORMAL, | 12:47 |
| sarower | OSSO_ABOOK_BUTTON_STYLE_PICKER, | 12:47 |
| sarower | OSSO_ABOOK_BUTTON_STYLE_LABEL, | 12:47 |
| sarower | } OssoABookButtonStyle; | 12:47 |
| timeless_mbp | samad: are you using C++ or C? | 12:47 |
| sarower | It is totally wrong...! | 12:47 |
| samad | c++ | 12:48 |
| timeless_mbp | -- | 12:48 |
| timeless_mbp | Support for trailing coma is part of the C99 standard. AFAIK, it should be included in C++ standard as well. See here: | 12:48 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/cwg_defects.html#518 | 12:48 |
| timeless_mbp | -- | 12:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | -- | 12:49 |
| cvandonderen | timeless: GCC is not C99 compatible | 12:49 |
| timeless_mbp | Ineresting - a trailing comma on an enumerator-list has been in ANSI C syntax from the start (6.7.2.2), | 12:49 |
| timeless_mbp | -- | 12:49 |
| timeless_mbp | cvandonderen: i'm randomly quoting : | 12:49 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 12:49 |
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| sarower | timeless_mbp: then what could be done | 12:49 |
| samad | then how can i solved the problem | 12:49 |
| timeless_mbp | extern "C" { | 12:49 |
| timeless_mbp | #include <any/maemo/file.h> | 12:50 |
| timeless_mbp | } | 12:50 |
| timeless_mbp | 99% of maemo5 files are C, not C++ | 12:50 |
| timeless_mbp | trying to import a C file as C++ is a terrible idea | 12:50 |
| timeless_mbp | you should thank your compiler for warning you | 12:50 |
| timeless_mbp | (and then complain that its warning sucked) | 12:50 |
| nomis | timeless_mbp: uh, extern "C" changes the acceptable grammar? | 12:51 |
| timeless_mbp | um... well... um | 12:51 |
| timeless_mbp | try it? | 12:51 |
| nomis | I guess I have to. :) | 12:51 |
| * timeless_mbp doesn't want to setup scratchbox | 12:51 | |
| timeless_mbp | or launch vbox:Mer | 12:51 |
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| samad | timeless_mbp , thanks a lot i am trying | 12:51 |
| * nomis was under the impression that this extern "C" was mostly about prohibiting name mangeling. | 12:52 | |
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| lardman | re | 12:52 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/mixing-c-and-cpp.html | 12:52 |
| * timeless_mbp chuckles | 12:52 | |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/mixing-c-and-cpp.html#faq-32.3 | 12:53 |
| timeless_mbp | you're welcome to try filing bugs asking for 32.4 from the abook people | 12:53 |
| timeless_mbp | they'll sadly ignore you | 12:53 |
| ensi | samad: osso-abook doesnt compile as C++ | 12:53 |
| ensi | only compiles as C code | 12:53 |
| timeless_mbp | iirc we hit that internally | 12:53 |
| ensi | the headers are fucked up | 12:53 |
| timeless_mbp | don't ask me why we were pulling in their junk | 12:54 |
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| nomis | timeless_mbp: I usually find the C++ FQA more enlightening: http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/mixing.html#fqa-32.3 | 12:54 |
| g55 | Which kernel will be in the n900 ? | 12:54 |
| timeless_mbp | > Too bad there's no extern "C++ compiled with a different compiler". | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | g55: what's that mean? | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | do you want the entire binary for an unshipped product? | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | g55: linux kernel, duh ;p | 12:55 |
| sarower | ensiL i am agreed with you | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | 2.6.28-omap1 | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | roughly | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | whatever the heck that means | 12:56 |
| samad | ensi right u r | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | and keep in mind there might be random changes which will be available as proper diffs somewhere | 12:56 |
| nomis | the g++ on my desktop machine does not complain about the trailing comma when compiling c++. | 12:57 |
| g55 | I only know the n770 boardfile in the mainline kernel. Where are the sources for n900 ? | 12:57 |
| timeless_mbp | g55: for a product that hasn't shipped? | 12:57 |
| timeless_mbp | what kind of question is that? | 12:57 |
| timeless_mbp | in general, gpl requires that the sources be provided to recipients of the binary upon request | 12:58 |
| ensi | samad: got the same problem myself | 12:58 |
| glass | well some of them are out, so some people could have requested | 12:58 |
| timeless_mbp | of note, the people who don't work for nokia who happen to have n900s have them under loan | 12:58 |
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| samad | ensi yes thats the problem | 12:58 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not quite sure about the terms of the loan, as i was inelligible | 12:58 |
| g55 | I want to buy an n900 and want to know, whether there is some information on the kernel. | 12:59 |
| timeless_mbp | i can certainly imagine that anyone of the recipients who asked for the sources for a prerelease would find them receiving the sources + a prepaid return device to sender package | 12:59 |
| Corsac | if the loan is a used as a way to circumvent the GPL, it's not really nice ;) | 12:59 |
| timeless_mbp | g55: again, the kernel will be the one that is included in the box | 12:59 |
| timeless_mbp | since afaik, the precise binary isn't known | 12:59 |
| timeless_mbp | it's impossible to say in any useful manner | 12:59 |
| timeless_mbp | "i'll know it when i see it" | 12:59 |
| Corsac | it's not even yet finalized, is it? | 12:59 |
| timeless_mbp | afaik it isn't | 12:59 |
| timeless_mbp | Corsac: anyone who actually buys a device is certainly entitled to request the source | 13:00 |
| Corsac | I didn't yet examined all the sdk contents, how much maemo5 sources is available atm? | 13:00 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 13:00 | |
| Corsac | timeless_mbp: with a nice postcard! | 13:00 |
| timeless_mbp | oh sure | 13:00 |
| timeless_mbp | and a note "please don't expect to get another loaner from us" | 13:00 |
| * timeless_mbp should actually build an xref for maemo5 and maemo5-sdk | 13:00 | |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 13:00 |
| Corsac | though if nokia only provides an email address ist's kind-of hard to send a real postcard :( | 13:01 |
| timeless_mbp | lemme finish my localization app | 13:01 |
| timeless_mbp | Corsac: again, i didn't see the contract people signed, i have no idea what it says | 13:01 |
| timeless_mbp | however i believe the gpl says one can deliver it in similar means to the original binary | 13:01 |
| Corsac | ask Faust! | 13:01 |
| timeless_mbp | the binary was delivered in person, not electronically | 13:01 |
| timeless_mbp | "sure, come to HEL, return your device, we'll give you the sources" :) | 13:02 |
| jaska | hell | 13:02 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not saying we'd do that | 13:02 |
| Corsac | yeah well, when you buy the device it's given to you in person, not electronically :) | 13:02 |
| timeless_mbp | it's just that a loaner program involves a certain deal of trust | 13:02 |
| Corsac | I think if you ask the reseller about the source, he'll just look at you weirdly | 13:03 |
| Corsac | (sadly) | 13:03 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 13:03 | |
| mgedmin | scariest thing that could happen: nokia is unhappy with the loaned program and doesn't give us n1000s next year | 13:03 |
| timeless_mbp | is he violating the distribution terms? :) | 13:03 |
| zaheerm | mgedmin, :) | 13:03 |
| ShadowJK | n1000 is such a crappy name | 13:03 |
| mgedmin | yeah, I doubt they'll use that | 13:03 |
| Corsac | mgedmin: nokia didn't give me one this year! | 13:03 |
| zaheerm | they could make the m series | 13:03 |
| mgedmin | nA00? | 13:03 |
| timeless_mbp | note that 4 and 3 digit numbering spaces are unrelated | 13:03 |
| Corsac | timeless_mbp: I'm not exactly sure yeah | 13:03 |
| timeless_mbp | and 3 v. n+3 are unrelated | 13:04 |
| mgedmin | wrap around to n100? | 13:04 |
| jaska | we used to joke about nokia having x110.. like 2110 3110 etc... 11110 | 13:04 |
| Corsac | nA00 | 13:04 |
| glass__ | n1k | 13:04 |
| jaska | n1k, now for 1ke? | 13:04 |
| zaheerm | nokia m001 | 13:04 |
| timeless_mbp | personally, i want an e900 | 13:04 |
| Corsac | mgedmin: damn sorry | 13:04 |
| * timeless_mbp is not a fan of n | 13:04 | |
| Corsac | mgedmin: I didn't see you wrote it before :/ | 13:04 |
| glass__ | timeless_mbp: sip voip included? | 13:04 |
| zaheerm | timeless, in aluminium? | 13:05 |
| timeless_mbp | glass__: eh? | 13:05 |
| timeless_mbp | zaheerm: the e90 was black plastic | 13:05 |
| ShadowJK | glass, in N900? yeah | 13:05 |
| timeless_mbp | glass__: i've used googletalk Call | 13:05 |
| zaheerm | timeless_mbp, the e51 and e71 weren't | 13:05 |
| timeless_mbp | it works | 13:05 |
| glass__ | timeless_mbp: joke about nokia leaving stuff out of n devices thats in e | 13:05 |
| timeless_mbp | interesting | 13:05 |
| mgedmin | maemo 5 let me add my ekiga.net SIP account; I haven't tried making any SIP calls yet | 13:05 |
| ShadowJK | That E900 mockup looked awesome ;-) | 13:05 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: url? | 13:05 |
| zaheerm | like home screen email preview | 13:05 |
| * timeless_mbp missed that | 13:05 | |
| * mgedmin googles e900 | 13:06 | |
| Corsac | it was on planet.m.o | 13:06 |
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| mgedmin | there's a samsung phone of that name | 13:06 |
| ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/nokia-e900/ | 13:06 |
| zaheerm | http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/nokia-e900/ | 13:06 |
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| ShadowJK | Plus: tab! | 13:06 |
| ShadowJK | Negative: no y | 13:06 |
| zaheerm | ShadowJK, yah they mixed german and english layouts :) | 13:07 |
| timeless_mbp | um | 13:07 |
| timeless_mbp | where's the 'y' key on that kyeboard? | 13:07 |
| zaheerm | space bar between b and n sucks | 13:07 |
| ShadowJK | timeless, compromises compromises | 13:07 |
| mgedmin | they mixed it up with the yen character which is the same as \ due to microsoft sillyness | 13:08 |
| zaheerm | timeless_mbp, people should accept, not ask why the y is not there ;) | 13:08 |
| timeless_mbp | zaheerm: a lot of people want it | 13:08 |
| ShadowJK | y can be accessed through chr, surely.. oh wait, there's no chr... | 13:08 |
| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: yeah that one was cute | 13:08 |
| timeless_mbp | at least you can reach % easily | 13:08 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 13:08 | |
| zaheerm | also red and green hardware keys for hangup and call is nice to have | 13:09 |
| ShadowJK | typing in IP addresses should be easy too | 13:09 |
| timeless_mbp | oh sure, there's a business case for that... | 13:09 |
| mgedmin | is there really no way to select & copy text from emails? | 13:10 |
| * RST38h ehlos wazd, mgedmin | 13:10 | |
| timeless_mbp | try dragging from the bottom left edge of the email to the right a bit | 13:10 |
| ShadowJK | timeless, yeah but Nokia is so future-proof that all keyboards since E70 are optimized for IPv6 :( | 13:10 |
| zaheerm | mgedmin, currently only through replying to get a real textview and then selecting in that | 13:10 |
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| mgedmin | zaheerm: nice cheat! | 13:10 |
| Beho | does anyone happen to have prebuilt maemo deb for despotify? tried gspotify but the splash screen gets stuck on screen | 13:10 |
| * mgedmin didn't think of that | 13:10 | |
| timeless_mbp | ok, that doesn't work | 13:10 |
| timeless_mbp | but yeah, i reply | 13:10 |
| zaheerm | mgedmin, yah it was very frustrating | 13:10 |
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| mgedmin | the browser-like drag-from-left-to-enter-select-mode gesture ought to be part of the hildon text view widget, I think | 13:11 |
| ShadowJK | in diablo you could just hammer the screen with the stylus and eventually text would be selected :/ | 13:11 |
| * mgedmin currently mostly misses plus/minus keys in fbreader and the ability to type Lithuanian letters | 13:12 | |
| wazd | heya all | 13:12 |
| lardman | jeremiah: ping | 13:12 |
| lardman | hi wazd | 13:12 |
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| VDVsx | Maemo summit security: http://www.flickr.com/photos/43614522@N08/4009380327/ :P | 13:30 |
| VDVsx | lardman, ^ | 13:30 |
| VDVsx | crashanddie, ^ | 13:31 |
| lardman | oh dear | 13:36 |
| Ceron^ | lool | 13:36 |
| jaska | hah | 13:37 |
| timeless_mbp | nah | 13:40 |
| timeless_mbp | summit security wore black suits | 13:40 |
| * timeless_mbp would have been a better poser | 13:40 | |
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| Shapeshifter | mhh, the sdk doesn't include gstreamer? how can I get it? | 13:43 |
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| Shapeshifter | #include <gst/gst.h> gst/gst.h: No such file or directory :( | 13:44 |
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| Shapeshifter | mh but gstreamer is installed. | 13:46 |
| zaheerm | gstreamer0.10-devel you probably need | 13:47 |
| Shapeshifter | ah nevermind | 13:47 |
| Shapeshifter | didn't link in makefile | 13:47 |
| Shapeshifter | zaheerm: I do? why? | 13:48 |
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| zaheerm | :) | 13:48 |
| crashanddie_ | I just had the best idea | 13:48 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk: you're going to love it | 13:48 |
| crashanddie_ | I'll write the app tonight | 13:48 |
| zaheerm | `pkg-config gstreamer-0.10 --cflags --libs` | 13:48 |
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| crashanddie_ | lcuk: I might need the source code of liqflow | 13:48 |
| woglinde | re | 13:48 |
| Shapeshifter | zaheerm: yeah, sure. | 13:49 |
| woglinde | zaheerm hm why mix CFLAGS and LDFAGS? | 13:49 |
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| woglinde | thats not good style | 13:49 |
| zaheerm | if he is doing just gcc -o abc abc.c | 13:50 |
| zaheerm | then it is fine | 13:50 |
| zaheerm | if he has multiple files etc. and needs a proper Makefile separate them | 13:50 |
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| Khertan_ | hello ! | 13:52 |
| Khertan_ | someone know to make settings in about:config permanent ? | 13:53 |
| Khertan_ | as setting user-agent for example isn t permanent | 13:53 |
| Khertan_ | and is reset to default each time you start or restart microb | 13:54 |
| RST38h | Khertan: ~/.mozilla/*js ? | 13:56 |
| RST38h | Khertan: there is a js file that sets them all, change it | 13:57 |
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| Khertan_ | thank youm rst38h | 14:03 |
| andre__ | Argh, I cannot reset my Qaiku password: "Cannot send message without a sender address POST not allowed (POST /settings/forgotpassword/)" | 14:04 |
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| zerojay | extras-devel is broken.. again. | 14:05 |
| zerojay | Release file is fucked. | 14:05 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, WTF is going on? | 14:05 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade & jeremiah_ pings | 14:05 |
| javispedro | hiyo | 14:05 |
| zerojay | Some sort of race condition was what they said yesterday. | 14:05 |
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| Khertan_ | the .mozilla/microb/prefs.js contain it but is rewrite at each start | 14:07 |
| RST38h | it should not be rewritten | 14:07 |
| RST38h | qwerty: around? | 14:07 |
| crashanddie_ | can we ban users? | 14:07 |
| crashanddie_ | on tmo? | 14:08 |
| Khertan_ | so i should submit a bug | 14:08 |
| lcuk | crashanddie_, its in the git repo | 14:08 |
| RST38h | Khertan: Wait | 14:10 |
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| RST38h | Khertan: Try this: http://kb.mozillazine.org/User.js_file | 14:10 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk: k | 14:10 |
| zerojay | crashanddie_: Who? | 14:10 |
| crashanddie_ | zerojay: "pppppppppppp" | 14:10 |
| zerojay | Oh yeah, that bitch can die. | 14:11 |
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| lardman | crashanddie_: what's your cool app then? | 14:14 |
| crashanddie_ | lardman: wait and see | 14:14 |
| khertan2 | sorry i ve been disconnected | 14:14 |
| lardman | crashanddie_: python? | 14:14 |
| crashanddie_ | lardman: maybe, if the correct API is available | 14:14 |
| khertan2 | rst38h could you resend your link ? | 14:14 |
| crashanddie_ | [12:11] <RST38h> Khertan: Try this: http://kb.mozillazine.org/User.js_file | 14:14 |
| lardman | crashanddie_: k, let me know if you need anything | 14:14 |
| crashanddie_ | lardman: is the API to the accelerometer available from python? | 14:15 |
| khertan2 | ps google wave is useable on the n900 ... amazing browser | 14:15 |
| lardman | crashanddie_: yeah, check Jaffa's Horizon | 14:15 |
| khertan2 | crashanddie : you can read value directly | 14:15 |
| crashanddie_ | lardman: good | 14:16 |
| khertan2 | but it s seems doing it like me made some delay | 14:16 |
| khertan2 | look at msaber | 14:16 |
| lcuk | crashanddie_, liqflow isnt python tho | 14:16 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk: no shite? | 14:16 |
| crashanddie_ | :P | 14:16 |
| lcuk | ;) | 14:16 |
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| lardman | where's Jamie, I still need to send him videos...? | 14:19 |
| Shapeshifter | I need to do something with gstreamer for my app, but although I included <gst/interfaces/xoverlay.h>, I'm getting undefined reference to `gst_x_overlay_get_type errors. Any idea how to fix this? do I need to link it against something else? ATM I'm doing CFLAGS= -Wall -pedantic `pkg-config --cflags $(LIBRARIES) --libs libcurl gstreamer-0.10` | 14:20 |
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| * javispedro counts number of days missing to 3d drivers... | 14:21 | |
| lardman | Shapeshifter: your pkg-config string is odd | 14:21 |
| lardman | is gstreamer in $(LIBRARIES) too? | 14:21 |
| lardman | does it find the include file? | 14:21 |
| Shapeshifter | lardman: it does find the include file but gstreamer is not in LIBRARIES but in EXTRA_LIBRARIES | 14:23 |
| lardman | I don't see that in the string you posted | 14:23 |
| lardman | it's a linker error though is it? | 14:24 |
| javispedro | yep (from the msg) | 14:24 |
| javispedro | better post the full makefile... | 14:24 |
| javispedro | post/pastebin | 14:25 |
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| lardman | CFLAGS= ..... | 14:25 |
| lardman | do you not want some of that in LD_FLAGS? | 14:25 |
| javispedro | because depending on how you wrote it you may need to put --libs in §LiBs | 14:25 |
| javispedro | er.. $LIBS | 14:25 |
| Shapeshifter | lardman: yes. LIBRARIES=gconf-2.0 hildon-1 hildon-fm-2 gtk+-2.0 gdk-2.0 gconf-2.0 gnome-vfs-2.0 and EXTRA_LIBRARIES=gstreamer-0.10 and CFLAGS= -Wall -pedantic `pkg-config --cflags $(LIBRARIES) --libs libcurl gstreamer-0.10` and EXTRA_CFLAGS= -Wall -pedantic `pkg-config --cflags $(LIBRARIES) $(EXTRA_LIBRARIES)` and LDFLAGS=`pkg-config --libs $(LIBRARIES)` and EXTRA_LDFLAGS=`pkg-config --libs $(LIBRARIES) $(EXTRA_LIBRARIES)` | 14:26 |
| woglinde | again mixing CLFAGS and LDFLAGS is bad style | 14:26 |
| Shapeshifter | I honestly took this more or less 1on1 from the maemo_examples makefile and removed bits I don't need. | 14:26 |
| lardman | wow, that's complicated | 14:26 |
| lardman | if someone would reboot the 770 running Garage, I'd post a link to the makefile I use | 14:26 |
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| woglinde | shapeshifter *sigh* get familiar with Makefiles gcc stuff and perhaps autotools | 14:27 |
| woglinde | will make your life easier | 14:27 |
| Jaffa | traut: ping | 14:27 |
| Shapeshifter | woglinde: yeah. :| will do that. | 14:27 |
| lardman | not autotools | 14:27 |
| woglinde | lardman not again this discussion | 14:27 |
| lardman | lol | 14:27 |
| lardman | X-Fade: ping | 14:28 |
| lardman | X-Fade: any ideas what's up with Garage today? | 14:28 |
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| Jaffa | traut: Python access to osso-abook: http://tinyurl.com/ygtm58n and http://tinyurl.com/yjx2laj | 14:28 |
| * lardman considers driving home, booting his PC and sending Makefile from there, rather than waiting for Garage to respond | 14:29 | |
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| inte_ | 14:35 | |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter, do a real pastebin of that makefile | 14:36 |
| lcuk | or is that the whole thing | 14:36 |
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| lardman | documentation bugs go to bugs.maemo.org I take it? | 14:40 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: Yup. Or, lots on the wiki now, just fix it ;-) | 14:41 |
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| RST38h | Lynoure: Maybe you do not have enough apps there to require scrolling? | 14:57 |
| Lynoure | adeus: not really surprised about there being a bug, just baffled by this bug :) | 14:57 |
| Lynoure | RST38h: IMO, more than one page ought to be enough | 14:58 |
| Lynoure | RST38h: showing 3 top pixels is not quite sufficient =) | 14:58 |
| Lynoure | at least I can get to them through launchers after adding those to the desktop :) | 14:59 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Battling with insane loads all day. | 15:01 |
| lardman | X-Fade: Garage? | 15:02 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Yeah, some processes keep running away. | 15:03 |
| lardman | Is painful | 15:04 |
| lardman | I imagine my repeated stabbing of F5 doesn't help either ;) | 15:04 |
| lcuk | lol lardman, dont tell him that you opened 20 tabs too | 15:06 |
| lardman | no, one was enough to drive my blood pressure up | 15:06 |
| lcuk | boo | 15:06 |
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| traut | Jaffa: thanks, but I've realized that I need select contact widget | 15:08 |
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| traut | Jaffa: not just address book data | 15:08 |
| lardman | nice to see that the osso-abook can be used to grab presence data | 15:09 |
| mgedmin | 6 hours of use and battery is almost empty | 15:09 |
| traut | Jaffa: I didn't find how to push in osso-abook widget request method GtkWindow pointer from python | 15:09 |
| Milo- | listening a lecture by tekojo \o/ | 15:09 |
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| mgedmin | khertan2: firefox has prefs.js (overwritten) and user.js (never touched); you're supposed to edit user.js | 15:10 |
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| mgedmin | perhaps microb is the same | 15:10 |
| traut | Jaffa: I mean push gtk.Window to osso_abook_contact_chooser_new | 15:10 |
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| Jaffa | traut: The osso_abook contact view didn't work for me in Python through ctypes; I got only the left most pixel of the image shown. | 15:12 |
| Jaffa | traut: Which is why I reimplemented my own in Hermes (called contactview.py) | 15:12 |
| traut | Jaffa: yes, I've noticed | 15:13 |
| mgedmin | Lynoure: I've seen that bug too | 15:13 |
| traut | Jaffa: one more thing — evolution.ebook.get_addressbooks returns me [] | 15:13 |
| Lynoure | mgedmin: does adding more stuff help? Or do they get hidden, too? | 15:13 |
| Jaffa | traut: hash() and addressof() will both help. I think I did ebook.gtk_window_add(hash(myPythonGtkWindow), myCtypesPointer) | 15:14 |
| Jaffa | traut: You need to specify "default", IIRC | 15:14 |
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| mgedmin | Lynoure: not sure how it happened, but it fixed itself a bit later | 15:14 |
| Jaffa | traut: I don't think you can enumerate them reliably (I've not seen any code which does) | 15:14 |
| Jaffa | Ha! My wife just asked if I "saw the picture message just now" - had to point out the N900 doesn't do MMS. | 15:15 |
| amr | i wonder why my tablet doesnt work on university wireless.. | 15:15 |
| Mek | amr: wpa2 with mschap or whatever it is called authentication? | 15:15 |
| X-Fade | amr: because it uses eduroam? | 15:15 |
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| X-Fade | amr: FIXED in Fremantle | 15:16 |
| traut_ | Jaffa: hm. I'll try with hash | 15:16 |
| amr | it's wpa2 PEAP iirc | 15:16 |
| Mek | when I specified my username in the advanced settings thingy for the connection I did managed to make it work (although the connection is sometimes still shown as disconnected) on my n900 | 15:16 |
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| amr | but i have an n810, X-Fade :p | 15:16 |
| X-Fade | amr: yeah, that is a problem then. | 15:17 |
| amr | i dont think we use eduroam tho | 15:17 |
| mgedmin | amr: just read the thread on maemo lists, there's a fix | 15:17 |
| mgedmin | somewhere in advanced settings you can set the user name | 15:17 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: only for maemo5 | 15:17 |
| Jaffa | traut_: Yeah, so instead of trying to use the Python API, I turned my Python-created gtk.Window into a pointer and used the C API for it ;-) | 15:17 |
| mgedmin | I missed that part | 15:17 |
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| amr | ahh, cheers mgedmin | 15:18 |
| mgedmin | someone mentioned having the same problem on an n810, and then I thought the same someone mentioned the workaround worked for him | 15:18 |
| amr | oh, wank | 15:18 |
| amr | well ill have a go anyway | 15:18 |
| mgedmin | but then again maybe that someone had both tablets and the workaround worked on the n900 | 15:18 |
| mgedmin | so dunno | 15:18 |
| amr | i can still get on to their web-authentication ap, but i cant access anything other than port 80 if i login that way | 15:18 |
| mgedmin | read the list, check bugzilla, pray, hope | 15:18 |
| amr | lol | 15:18 |
| amr | will do, thanks | 15:18 |
| mgedmin | port 80 workaround: http://mg.pov.lt/blog/escaping-hotel-firewall.html | 15:19 |
| mgedmin | did graham package proxytunnel for maemo yet? | 15:19 |
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| X-Fade | mgedmin: yes, but it failed to build | 15:19 |
| mgedmin | uh oh | 15:19 |
| amr | oh you're a star, mgedmin | 15:19 |
| Jaffa | Yay, I've passed GeneralAntilles on karma :-) | 15:19 |
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| mgedmin | X-Fade: do you know any details? because I just tried running 'make' in scratchbox and got a ./proxytunnel binary | 15:21 |
| mgedmin | oh cool, there's a debian subdir already | 15:21 |
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| mgedmin | dpkg-buildpackage fails because there's no dh_installman in scratchbox's debhelper | 15:22 |
| mgedmin | sorry, misunderstood | 15:22 |
| mgedmin | there's no manual page in ./debian/ | 15:22 |
| traut_ | Jaffa: sorry for noob question, but 'abook.osso_abook_contact_chooser_new(hash(self.window), 'Title')' should do the thing? | 15:22 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/proxytunnel_1.9.0-2+maemo-1/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt | 15:22 |
| traut_ | Jaffa: it's my first time with ctypes :) | 15:23 |
| timeless_mbp | so... | 15:23 |
| timeless_mbp | people reading my bugs.maemo.org bugs can easily see when i used my n900 to type :( | 15:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | > fwiw, this also affects twitter's ability to tell you how many characters you | 15:23 |
| timeless_mbp | > csn type bwfore hitting its limit. | 15:23 |
| wazd | RST38h: were you wearing something grey at the summit? :) | 15:23 |
| mgedmin | so, libmhash looks broken | 15:24 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: Yeah, probably doesn't use optify properly or so. | 15:24 |
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| lizardo | Hi all, is http://garage.maemo.org/ down ? | 15:26 |
| Jaffa | traut_: It was my first time too. Took a while to get things working and my head around things. | 15:27 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: for a few minutes, yes. | 15:27 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: We're trying to bring the load down to actually do some maintenance. | 15:27 |
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| lizardo | X-Fade: ok thanks, I was starting to wonder if it was some local problem, because it was terribly slow to load some garage pages a few minutes ago :) | 15:28 |
| mgedmin | oh, cool, now I need garage as well | 15:28 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: Load was above 80 ;) | 15:28 |
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| lizardo | X-Fade: well, I hope it is temporary , we are planning the PyMaemo release for ... today :) | 15:31 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: Should be better soon(ish) | 15:31 |
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| traut | Jaffa: about 'default' : when I'm trying to make open_addressbook('default') all I get is 'Segmentation fault' | 15:32 |
| mgedmin | ctypes is one of the easiest ways to segfault a python interpreter | 15:32 |
| traut | yeah | 15:32 |
| traut | and no explanations | 15:33 |
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| plastun | hello! how to make screenshot on n900? | 15:33 |
| X-Fade | plastun: ctrl-shift p | 15:34 |
| X-Fade | plastun: or use load-applet | 15:34 |
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| mgedmin | speaking of load-applet, can I ask it to remove those incomprehensible buttons from my statusbar? | 15:34 |
| timeless_mbp | btw, did people find ctrl-shift-x? | 15:35 |
| mgedmin | only 8 items fit there (not counting battery and volume), and load applet's useless screenshot buttons push the brightness bar offscreen | 15:35 |
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| plastun | thnks | 15:35 |
| mgedmin | timeless_mbp: yes | 15:35 |
| timeless_mbp | someone told me about that at lunch today :o | 15:35 |
| mgedmin | timeless_mbp: are those keys documented somewhere? | 15:35 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: huh? | 15:36 |
| mgedmin | e.g. there's a hidden ctrl+shift+something to enable reflow mode in the browser, but I forgot what the something was | 15:36 |
| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: there seems to be | 15:36 |
| timeless_mbp | because when we were looking for keys we were able to know which ones we couldn't take | 15:36 |
| timeless_mbp | although, these shortcuts don't seem to work the way i'd expect | 15:37 |
| mgedmin | oh, duh, the status are is scrollable | 15:37 |
| mgedmin | silly me | 15:37 |
| timeless_mbp | ctrl-shift-x doesn't work from this dialog :( | 15:37 |
| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: what?! | 15:37 |
| gomiam | RAE | 15:38 |
| mgedmin | why don't people understand me? | 15:38 |
| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: you mean that when you tap the clock, the thing you get can be scrolled if it has more than 6 rows? | 15:38 |
| mgedmin | what do you call that big bar full of finger-friendly statusy things you get when you tap on the little bar full with tiny status icons? | 15:38 |
| mgedmin | yes | 15:38 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, it wasn't that i didn't understand you | 15:38 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: And you have brightness in there? | 15:38 |
| mgedmin | more than 5 rows in my case | 15:38 |
| timeless_mbp | it's that i was 99% certain i had been told it wasn't scrollable | 15:38 |
| mgedmin | battery, volume, clock, profile, connection, bluetooth, availability, location, usb connected, load applet, brightness applet | 15:39 |
| mgedmin | is what I have right now | 15:39 |
| X-Fade | ah the separate applet. | 15:39 |
| mgedmin | brightness doesn't fit, but I can scroll to it | 15:39 |
| mgedmin | discovered this by accident by trying to tap on the usb connected icon in order to switch from 'pc suite' back to 'charging only' | 15:40 |
| mgedmin | apparently you can't do that | 15:40 |
| mgedmin | had to unplug and replug | 15:40 |
| lcuk | isnt this the time we call back rm_you and say "ummm can you do a combined version again please" ;) | 15:40 |
| timeless_mbp | it's clearly not a button ;-) | 15:40 |
| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: i think the problem is that a usb device isn't allowed to change its profile | 15:40 |
| timeless_mbp | once you've told the other side you do X and it's using X | 15:40 |
| mgedmin | hmm | 15:40 |
| timeless_mbp | you can't change your mind and do Y | 15:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | charging is a special case | 15:41 |
| mgedmin | no way | 15:41 |
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| mgedmin | what about those silly "I'm a USB cdrom with windows drivers! no, now I'm a USB serial device with a HSPA modem" dongles? | 15:41 |
| timeless_mbp | i think that's additive | 15:41 |
| timeless_mbp | those are basically saying "i'm a usb hub" | 15:41 |
| mgedmin | dunno how that's implemented at usb level (simulate unplug, then replug?) | 15:41 |
| mgedmin | hm | 15:41 |
| mgedmin | okay | 15:41 |
| timeless_mbp | "oh, i got an insertion into one of my hub slots for X" | 15:42 |
| timeless_mbp | "oh, i got an insertion into another slot for Y" | 15:42 |
| timeless_mbp | now, it's probably possible for us to implement a hub somehow | 15:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | and then we could say "ooh look, i found a usb camera in a port" | 15:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | "ooh look, i found a usb touchpad in a port" | 15:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | but we definitely aren't doing that today | 15:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | if you look at those windows devices, it'll show you a tree topology | 15:43 |
| timeless_mbp | with some sort of meta device | 15:43 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry, i grew up w/ windows :) | 15:43 |
| jonwil | hi | 15:43 |
| jonwil | Is anyone else having problems getting to garage.maemo.org or is it just me? | 15:43 |
| timeless_mbp | Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at garage.maemo.org. | 15:44 |
| lardman|home | jonwil: not just you | 15:44 |
| jonwil | ok, thanks | 15:44 |
| lardman|home | X-Fade knows about it so don't worry too much | 15:44 |
| jonwil | Mostly I was trying to download https://garage.maemo.org/docman/view.php/106/354/maemopackages-20080725.ods | 15:44 |
| koala_man | how does opengl es work? can you cross compile any normal opengl app that doesn't use certain extensions? | 15:45 |
| timeless_mbp | "cross compile" doesn't sound right :) | 15:45 |
| timeless_mbp | but otherwise | 15:45 |
| timeless_mbp | opengl es is afaiu a strict subset of opengl | 15:46 |
| *** mgedmin changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Summit 09 -> http://tinyurl.com/maesum | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/N8x0, use Mer instead | garage.maemo.org currently down for maintenance" | 15:46 | |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.khronos.org/opengles/ | 15:46 |
| timeless_mbp | > OpenGL ESOpenGL® ES is a royalty-free, cross-platform API for full-function 2D and 3D graphics on embedded systems - including consoles, phones, appliances and vehicles. It consists of well-defined subsets of desktop OpenGL, creating a flexible and powerful low-level interface between software and graphics acceleration. | 15:46 |
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| mgedmin | X-Fade: any chance you would find spare 5 minutes some time and implement 'garage is down for maintenance' temporary static page you could pull up when you're doing maintenance? | 15:47 |
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| X-Fade | it is up again. | 15:48 |
| koala_man | sweet | 15:48 |
| lardman|home | X-Fade: thanks :) | 15:48 |
| woglinde_ | koala_man there is some libgl -> libgles converting tool | 15:48 |
| woglinde_ | but seems its not maintained anymore | 15:48 |
| koala_man | ah, it's a different lib and header files and such? | 15:49 |
| woglinde_ | koala_man search for kates ahlohas blog | 15:49 |
| *** mgedmin changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Summit 09 -> http://tinyurl.com/maesum | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/N8x0, use Mer instead" | 15:49 | |
| woglinde_ | there she describes a little bit | 15:49 |
| woglinde_ | args ah | 15:49 |
| woglinde_ | should be in the wiki | 15:49 |
| woglinde_ | let me search it | 15:49 |
| woglinde_ | haha | 15:49 |
| woglinde_ | was in url-cache | 15:49 |
| woglinde_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenGL-ES | 15:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: is it possible to have a note explaining the most recent maintenance window? | 15:56 |
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| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: -ENOTIME | 15:56 |
| timeless_mbp | -EOK | 15:56 |
| lardman|home | -EBROKEN? | 15:56 |
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| RST38h | -EFUCKOFFNOW | 15:57 |
| lardman|home | -ELOL | 15:57 |
| Corsac | -EFGH | 15:57 |
| Ronaldo38741 | -ENOWAI | 15:58 |
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| MaceN8x0 | blah | 15:59 |
| jaska | -EWWW | 15:59 |
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| MaceN8x0 | huh? | 15:59 |
| guysoft42 | hey all, i am trying to install the maemo SDK on debian, and i am getting the following error: http://pastebin.com/m7cc68f53 | 15:59 |
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| lardman|home | hmm, strange, mbarcode looks all GTK+-like, rather than masquerading as a native app | 16:01 |
| X-Fade | lardman|home: run-standalone.sh ? | 16:02 |
| lardman|home | on-device | 16:02 |
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| mgedmin | guysoft42: maemo-sdk is not the official sdk, it's some kind of experimental thing | 16:02 |
| mgedmin | maybe it's broken? | 16:02 |
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| mgedmin | this is the sdk+, right? from http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/? | 16:03 |
| mgedmin | I got it installed once; it kinda worked except that you couldn't use apt-get inside scratchbox2 | 16:03 |
| lardman|home | maybe I need to do something different to the old program = HILDON_PROGRAM (hildon_program_get_instance ()); | 16:03 |
| mgedmin | which made it pretty much useless for development | 16:03 |
| lardman|home | no, just the basic one released last week | 16:03 |
| guysoft42 | mgedmin, i am using http://maemo.org/development/sdks/ | 16:03 |
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| guysoft42 | mgedmin, yes, i had that problem too, and i need it. i want to install drivers | 16:04 |
| guysoft42 | well, make them | 16:04 |
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| guysoft42 | SpeedEvil, um, ping | 16:05 |
| guysoft42 | ? | 16:05 |
| zaheerm | Jaffa, btw you need to do hildon.Program.get_instance() not hildon.Program() in hermes | 16:05 |
| guysoft42 | mgedmin, isnt there a few commands i can run here to get the sdk? | 16:05 |
| mgedmin | sh maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sh, once you've downloaded it from the nokia forum as was said on the web page you mentioned | 16:05 |
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| guysoft42 | mgedmin, thats maemo 5 right? | 16:08 |
| mgedmin | yes | 16:09 |
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| mgedmin | any irc/freenode experts here? | 16:12 |
| mgedmin | on some channels chanserv msgs you telling that the channel is logged, and where to find the logs | 16:12 |
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| mgedmin | I believe this is freenode policy: no logging without informing the users | 16:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | ? | 16:13 |
| mgedmin | how can I (or somebody else) set this up for #maemo? | 16:13 |
| SpeedEvil | guysoftI have no clue | 16:13 |
| SpeedEvil | help chanserv | 16:13 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 16:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | err | 16:13 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean message chanserv help | 16:13 |
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| mgedmin | I imagine any random irc user can't just tell chanserv to do stuff | 16:14 |
| mgedmin | you need access rights etc. | 16:14 |
| mgedmin | who has those for #maemo? | 16:14 |
| X-Fade | me? | 16:14 |
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| lardman|home | fyi gtk_init() has to change to hildon_gtk_init() | 16:16 |
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| qwerty12 | RST38h: Pong | 16:16 |
| Myrtti | /msg chanserv help set entrymsg | 16:17 |
| mgedmin | thanks, Myrtti! | 16:17 |
| mgedmin | now the only remaining question is do we want this kind of entrymsg? | 16:19 |
| mgedmin | if so, X-Fade could /msg chanserv set #maemo entrymsg This channel is logged at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | 16:19 |
| * lcuk says yes | 16:20 | |
| X-Fade | Do we have some kind of nice IRC introduction wiki page somewhere? :) | 16:20 |
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| lcuk | which might also give a short n00bs guide | 16:21 |
| * frals says le cock speaks the truth | 16:21 | |
| qwerty12 | frals: Makes a change ;P | 16:21 |
| lcuk | i am not used to speaking the truth, i speak the northern | 16:22 |
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| jeremiah | Jaffa: Pong | 16:23 |
| lcuk | jeremiah, happy birthday! | 16:23 |
| jeremiah | lcuk: thanks! :) | 16:24 |
| jeremiah | Almost over, thank god. | 16:24 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: Congrats, feeling old already? :) | 16:24 |
| jeremiah | X-Fade: Thank you and yes, I do. :/ | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | happy birthday jeremiah | 16:25 |
| * Hydroxide waves in greeting at jeremiah after being suggested yesterday to say hi to him | 16:25 | |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: Yeah, hate birthdays. | 16:25 |
| jeremiah | Yeah, me too. Never been a fan. | 16:25 |
| * mgedmin throws a cake towards jeremiah | 16:25 | |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: Thanks Stskeeps :) | 16:25 |
| lcuk | jeremiah, cant be that bad, more socks, maybe some slippers, a guide to unix you have already read and a headache from packaging the night before | 16:25 |
| jeremiah | Mmmmmm, cake | 16:25 |
| jeremiah | lcuk: heh | 16:25 |
| jeremiah | Actually, I asked my wife to buy me a tatoo! | 16:25 |
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| jeremiah | (No midlife crisis there.) | 16:26 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: maemo.org logo? :) | 16:26 |
| lcuk | cool, for on you or on her? | 16:26 |
| Hydroxide | hehe | 16:26 |
| jeremiah | Well, I actually have thoght about the debian swirl, but then thought against it. | 16:26 |
| jeremiah | lcuk: For me. :) | 16:26 |
| lardman|home | Happy Birthday | 16:26 |
| jeremiah | lardman|home: Thanks! | 16:26 |
| jeremiah | lardman|home: How goes the packaging? | 16:26 |
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| jeremiah | Did you see the tip from qwerty12 ? | 16:26 |
| frals | ive never seen the point of tatooing someones trademark on yourself ;o | 16:26 |
| * Myrtti tosses a cake towards jeremiah | 16:27 | |
| lardman|home | jeremiah: yes I did, thanks | 16:27 |
| lardman|home | jeremiah: will get back to that this evening | 16:27 |
| jeremiah | lardman|home: Did it work? | 16:27 |
| jeremiah | ah, cool | 16:27 |
| jeremiah | Myrtti: Hi - thanks for the cake, but it has pink frosting! | 16:27 |
| * fiferboy sighs and waits for the Qt 4.6 debs to be released | 16:28 | |
| * lcuk consoles fiferboy with a bit of jeremiah's pink frosted cake | 16:28 | |
| jeremiah | Cake for all my friends! | 16:29 |
| * lardman|home wonders why he still has a funny looking app window | 16:29 | |
| fiferboy | Mmmm, pink frosting | 16:29 |
| fiferboy | Happy Birthday, Jeremiah! | 16:29 |
| jeremiah | Thanks fiferboy! | 16:29 |
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| fiferboy | lardman|home: What's it look like? | 16:30 |
| Shapeshifter | lardman|home: I'm back :) | 16:30 |
| guysoft42 | hey qwerty12_N810 here? | 16:30 |
| Shapeshifter | http://pastie.org/654320 well here's my horrible makefile | 16:31 |
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| VDVsx | fiferboy, ping | 16:35 |
| fiferboy | VDVsx: pong | 16:35 |
| mgedmin | Shapeshifter: I *think* it's customary to use install -m 644 foo /path/to/install/location instead of cp foo /path/to/install/location | 16:35 |
| Robot101 | Myrtti: which list? | 16:35 |
| VDVsx | fiferboy, installed personal IP applet, seems that the applet icon is missing :( | 16:35 |
| Myrtti | Robot101: camlug mailing list | 16:36 |
| fiferboy | VDVsx: Yes, that happens on the first install for some reason. I will look to fix it for the next version. | 16:36 |
| Robot101 | Myrtti: ahh | 16:36 |
| Myrtti | Robot101: or ubuntu-uk | 16:36 |
| fiferboy | VDVsx: If you remove the widget and then add it to your desktop again it will show up :) | 16:36 |
| lardman|home | hmm, I guess my app looks all gray and GTK+ like as it uses a notebook, would that make sense? | 16:36 |
| Myrtti | Robot101: (not sure about the latter, though, but camlug has had job ads before) | 16:37 |
| VDVsx | fiferboy, ok thanks :) | 16:37 |
| X-Fade | lardman|home: Is there a hildon equivalent for that? | 16:37 |
| fiferboy | NP | 16:37 |
| lardman|home | X-Fade: no, it's not recommended | 16:37 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, fiferboy, if you want to be able to add your widget to multiple desktops: X-Multiple=true | 16:37 |
| X-Fade | lardman|home: Some gtk widgets aren't supported and look like plain gtk. | 16:37 |
| lardman|home | X-Fade: but it did look fine in the beta SDK | 16:37 |
| lardman|home | yeah, ok | 16:38 |
| fiferboy | qwerty12: Seriously? Awesome! | 16:38 |
| qwerty12 | Yep, tried it out with Personal IP Address last night | 16:38 |
| fiferboy | qwerty12: It will be a major headache to keep track of what events should be on what instance, though... | 16:38 |
| fiferboy | For countdown-home, anyway | 16:38 |
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| qwerty12 | fiferboy: I have faith in you. Now go and do it. :p | 16:39 |
| Shapeshifter | mgedmin: mhh, okay. Seems like the maemo_examples aren't such good examples :| | 16:39 |
| fiferboy | qwerty12: :| | 16:39 |
| mgedmin | Shapeshifter: nah, I think dh_fixperms fixes any permission issues you might get with cp | 16:39 |
| mgedmin | assuming your debian/rules uses debhelper and calls dh_fixperms | 16:39 |
| jonwil | What is CAL in the context of MAEMO? | 16:39 |
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| mgedmin | and if you were to go with install instead of cp, then use install -d instead of mkdir -p | 16:40 |
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| mgedmin | but it probably doesn't matter | 16:40 |
| mgedmin | forget I said anything | 16:40 |
| fiferboy | Hmm, Qt 4.6 beta was just released, but no maemo packages | 16:40 |
| lcuk | cp works on n810 directly where i believe install doesnt | 16:40 |
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| lcuk | i think its fixed on n900 | 16:41 |
| lcuk | but i remember z4chh having an issue with it | 16:41 |
| lardman|home | is stuff like osso_initialize() used anymore? | 16:41 |
| qwerty12 | lardman|home: Of course | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | jonwil: cal is a place for wifi calibration data and other persistent low level settings | 16:41 |
| lardman|home | it locks my app up, that browser opening code | 16:41 |
| lardman|home | on the plus side the dialog now closes | 16:41 |
| qwerty12 | lardman|home: Your changes in SVN? | 16:42 |
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| jonwil | ok, so its the place where they put all the bits set at the factory as part of testing and which they need to stop users from directly messing with (screwing up the device, making it operate contrary to spectrum use laws etc) | 16:42 |
| lardman|home | not yet, let me see if I can work this out then I'll push | 16:42 |
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| mgedmin | does CAL stand for anything? | 16:42 |
| qwerty12 | lardman|home: Push it, and I'll give you a replacement for that browser opening code | 16:42 |
| mgedmin | Cellular Access Layer or something like that? | 16:43 |
| lardman|home | ok, hang on a tick | 16:43 |
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| lardman|home | qwerty12: pushed | 16:45 |
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| qwerty12 | OK, doing a checkout | 16:45 |
| lardman|home | cool, heading back to work, bbiab | 16:45 |
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| penguinbait | is t.m.o down? I can't get there or ITT | 16:46 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: Did Stskeeps talk to you about doing osv-community? | 16:46 |
| range | Looks like it. I was just about to ask the same question :) | 16:46 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade: Nope | 16:46 |
| andre__ | yeah, t.m.o is down | 16:46 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: Could you try to see if you can make one for diablo based on the latest SSU? | 16:47 |
| Shapeshifter | http://doc.cern.ch//archive/electronic/cern/others/PHO/photo-bul///bul-pho-2009-090_06.jpg offtopic, but hey, seems like cern and the LHC are using linux ;) | 16:47 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade: Sure, but I've got some Fremantle stuff I wish to finish off first | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure they do | 16:47 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: Sure, no hurry. | 16:47 |
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| X-Fade | qwerty12: I still need to setup repositories and a lot of other things ;) | 16:48 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: but for frontends as well. often, researchers will have windows workstations even though the servers run linux. | 16:48 |
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| Shapeshifter | s/linux/unix-bases systems/ | 16:48 |
| infobot | Shapeshifter meant: DocScrutinizer: but for frontends as well. often, researchers will have windows workstations even though the servers run unix-bases systems. | 16:48 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade: Will this get done after IRC? (I'm still envious) :p | 16:49 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: ? | 16:49 |
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| qwerty12 | Ah, sorry, I'm still envious of your job involving being on IRC all day | 16:50 |
| MaceN8x0 | hm | 16:50 |
| MaceN8x0 | wtf | 16:50 |
| MaceN8x0 | why does ssh seem to be more latent tethered than on the phone | 16:50 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: hehe, you don't know what hard work is being done behind the scenes ;) | 16:50 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: I spot at least two windows machines on this cern photo http://mediaarchive.cern.ch/MediaArchive/Video/Public/Movies/2009/CERN-MOVIE-2009-096/CERN-MOVIE-2009-096-posterframe-640x360-at-50-percent.jpg ;) | 16:51 |
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| qwerty12 | X-Fade: Alt + 9 in irssi? :p | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: Multiple monitors is key ;) | 16:52 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe | 16:52 |
| penguinbait | It seems like its been a while since itt crashed, is this new user influx? | 16:53 |
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| Jaffa | jeremiah: It was about extras-devel breakage raised by zerojay | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: Cern had large improvements from KSM | 16:53 |
| mgedmin | proxytunnel 1.9.0-0mg1 builds OK | 16:53 |
| jeremiah | Jaffa: Ah, okay | 16:54 |
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| fiferboy | Mek: Just for the record, if you want to compile Qt 4.6 TP for x86 in scratchbox, you have to use -opengl desktop | 16:54 |
| mgedmin | of course, because of the "No Hash entry in Release file" error in extras-devel, I cannot test if it works | 16:54 |
| penguinbait | and itt's back | 16:55 |
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| mgedmin | pls fix extras-devel pls! | 16:59 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: takes a while, reindexing | 17:00 |
| mgedmin | X-Fade: is the repository unusable during the reindexing? or are updates supposed to be atomic? | 17:01 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: They should be atomic. | 17:02 |
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| mgedmin | do you know what causes these broken Release files? | 17:03 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: Yes, race condition | 17:03 |
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| X-Fade | mgedmin: unsigned version gets synced to the caching network. | 17:03 |
| lardman | re | 17:03 |
| mgedmin | hm | 17:04 |
| mgedmin | so the tool produces a Release file and signs it in place, instead of signing it somehwere else and moving it to the final destination? | 17:04 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: no, Release file gets created and other signs and syncs | 17:04 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: here? | 17:05 |
| mgedmin | ah, so the race is between two running copies of the create-sign-and-sync script? | 17:05 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: Hiya | 17:05 |
| mgedmin | you end up create-sign-create-sync-sign-sync? | 17:05 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: Yeah, looks like it. Due to insane load on the box, one doesn't finish before the other. | 17:06 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: Will implement pid check. | 17:06 |
| RST38h | qwerty: goood...care to run Transmission under strace? | 17:06 |
| lardman | has anyone noticed if the contact merge functionality is in the supplied api, or you have to write your own? | 17:06 |
| mgedmin | thanks for the explanation, X-Fade | 17:06 |
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| X-Fade | mgedmin: But try now, it should have synced. | 17:07 |
| mgedmin | woohoo, extras-devel is fixed now | 17:07 |
| clmntch | good morning | 17:07 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: I can do, but it is extremely slow at starting up under strace. Fuck, the fan on my computer starts whirring up and Transmission isn't even being ran on it (it's just displaying the log via SSH) | 17:08 |
| RST38h | qwerty: direct to file | 17:08 |
| mgedmin | yep, that ought to be faster | 17:08 |
| mgedmin | strace -o trace.log ... | 17:08 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Or, better, run it separately and then attach strace to the running process | 17:08 |
| RST38h | qwerty: basically, it can't do this crap to the tablet by just eating 100% cpu | 17:08 |
| * mgedmin had to disable wlan power savings if he wanted to ssh into his old n810 | 17:09 | |
| qwerty12 | Thanks | 17:09 |
| * mgedmin went out to lunch and found his n810 with an empty battery when he came back | 17:09 | |
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| RST38h | qwerty: It has to be some system call, invoked with insane speed | 17:09 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: Once we find what it is, we can optimize | 17:10 |
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| mgedmin | strace -c could be useful | 17:12 |
| mgedmin | instead of looking at a huge log look at the counts | 17:13 |
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| qwerty12 | RST38h: Whee, there's a fucker of a log: http://qwerty12.qole.org/transmission.log | 17:17 |
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| Robot101 | heh | 17:18 |
| Robot101 | someone tweeting that the N900 should support IAX at the same time as me blogging that it could be added to Telepathy | 17:19 |
| Robot101 | if I had like twitter and stuff I could get involved | 17:19 |
| Robot101 | hrm | 17:19 |
| zaheerm | :) | 17:19 |
| X-Fade | zaheerm: Do you like your maemo activities to be visible on the planet? | 17:19 |
| zaheerm | X-Fade, sure | 17:19 |
| X-Fade | zaheerm: Do you have a maemo specific feed for me then? | 17:20 |
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| zaheerm | X-Fade, ok give me a sec | 17:20 |
| |R | Robot101 : that'd be awesome! | 17:20 |
| |R | Asterisk-like on the device directly :) | 17:21 |
| Robot101 | yeah, well, it can. thats the point of telepathy. its not exactly a priority for us though, but I've been wondering about having pledgebanks or donations or something to let people fund us doing this kinda work | 17:21 |
| |R | Not having to go through my home gw to get SIP from remote locations would be a lot more efficient... I wonder how many people use such setups though | 17:22 |
| |R | hopefully a lot :) | 17:22 |
| zaheerm | X-Fade, http://zaheer.merali.org/articles/category/maemo/feed | 17:24 |
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| X-Fade | zaheerm: Ok, added. | 17:25 |
| zaheerm | X-Fade, thx | 17:26 |
| X-Fade | zaheerm: Now you have to blog more cool things ;) | 17:26 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: All righty, was it done when transmission was running and eating CPU cycles? | 17:26 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: Yes, I promise you that :) | 17:28 |
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| zaheerm | X-Fade, will do | 17:28 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Look at the bottom of the epic thing | 17:28 |
| RST38h | Here is what I see: | 17:28 |
| RST38h | gettimeofday({1255529630, 149659}, NULL) = 0 | 17:28 |
| RST38h | clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC, {96798, 891602568}) = 0 | 17:28 |
| RST38h | poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=3, events=POLLIN}, {fd=17, events=POLLIN}, {fd=20, events=POLLIN}, {fd=6, events=POLLIN}, {fd=7, events=POLLIN}, {fd=25, events=POLLIN}], 7, 0) = 0 (Timeout) | 17:28 |
| RST38h | ioctl(3, FIONREAD, [0]) = 0 | 17:28 |
| RST38h | qwerty: So it is doing lots of polling and gettimeofday() calls | 17:28 |
| X-Fade | Clock is very expensive | 17:28 |
| Shapeshifter | lardman, fyi, I needed to link against gstreamer-interfaces-0.10 for XOverlay to work | 17:29 |
| RST38h | absolutely, this is what fucked up Flash plugin on Diablo | 17:29 |
| Shapeshifter | not only gstreamer-0.10. this was the problem. | 17:29 |
| RST38h | I guess polling isn't cheap either | 17:29 |
| X-Fade | Wonder if you preload something to make it a null operation ;) | 17:29 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Is there browseable source of Transmission somewhere online? | 17:29 |
| X-Fade | *can | 17:29 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: He has got the complete source code so it is easier to simply fix it | 17:30 |
| X-Fade | Maybe it is just the progress indicator ;) | 17:30 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: As to gettimeofday() in Flash, I have been told what it was at the summit | 17:30 |
| RST38h | Supposed to be fixed now | 17:30 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: http://trac.transmissionbt.com/browser/trunk | 17:30 |
| lardman | Shapeshifter: indeed, sorry I didn't get you that Makefile in time | 17:30 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Thanks! | 17:30 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: No, thank you :) | 17:30 |
| Shapeshifter | lardman: no worries! | 17:31 |
| Meiz_n810 | my tablet screen is not about to fall apart -.- | 17:31 |
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| qwerty12 | Meiz_n810: I do hope you have x11vnc and SSH installed? :) | 17:32 |
| Meizirkki | ssh is there :) | 17:33 |
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| zaheerm | X-Fade, don't worry http://www.flickr.com/photos/aandza/4010839955/ is the first image of a few for my next blog | 17:34 |
| zaheerm | :) | 17:34 |
| lardman | Anyone here got Jamie Bennett's phone no? Could they PM it to me so I can work out what I'm supposed to be doing with the Summit video footage | 17:34 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Check out libtransmission/utils.h | 17:35 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: gettimeofday() call is there. Remove it, make it always return constant time | 17:36 |
| RST38h | qwerty: recompile, run, see what changes | 17:36 |
| * mgedmin expects "everything breaks" | 17:36 | |
| * RST38h does not expect too much damage | 17:36 | |
| mgedmin | doesn't that gettimeofday() come from the glib main loop or something? | 17:36 |
| RST38h | No | 17:37 |
| mgedmin | oh | 17:37 |
| RST38h | Just disable it and always return 0 or something | 17:37 |
| RST38h | If it still eats CPU time, then it is the poll() | 17:37 |
| qwerty12 | Will do in a minute, thanks | 17:38 |
| Meizirkki | http://picasaweb.google.fi/meizirkki/NokiaN810#5392465183283167442 *digh* | 17:39 |
| Meizirkki | sigh loil | 17:39 |
| Meizirkki | -i | 17:39 |
| * qwerty12 found X | 17:39 | |
| Meizirkki | the touchlayer still works | 17:40 |
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| RST38h | Meirzirkki: Oh =( | 17:40 |
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| Meizirkki | I have to say, that my n810 is really holding on :) | 17:41 |
| wazd | Meizirkki: nice wallpaper :) | 17:41 |
| Meizirkki | haha | 17:42 |
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| Meizirkki | Touch Book arrived to the country this morning, i'll soon get another device to break | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | woo | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | and put mer on :P | 17:42 |
| Meizirkki | sure :) | 17:43 |
| RST38h | put mer on == break? =) | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: improve, in this case, it seems | 17:43 |
| qwerty12 | Meizirkki: lol, I don't think that will survive a fall :p | 17:43 |
| qwerty12 | Then again, looking at its batteries... | 17:43 |
| RST38h | "Broken through improvement" <== there is a single German word for that | 17:43 |
| mikhas | What is Verschlimmbesserung? | 17:44 |
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| * qwerty12 will stick to "Broken through improvement" | 17:44 | |
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| RST38h | Verschlimmbesserung sounds more threatening | 17:47 |
| zerojayn900 | lardman, i sent jamie a message on twitter for you. | 17:47 |
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| * Stskeeps wonders wtf his n900 stylus is | 17:47 | |
| RST38h | has it tried talking to you already? | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | ah, on the floor | 17:49 |
| nomis | yess! Txtr came out with their Ebook reader. Including quite some hardware documentation and linux-howtos already: https://developer.txtr.org/ | 17:51 |
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| Stskeeps | but does it run maemo | 17:51 |
| nomis | Stskeeps: port it! :) | 17:51 |
| nomis | although it probably is not that much fun on an e-ink display... | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | imx31 | 17:52 |
| RST38h | nomis: There is a .ua company that has been doing it for months now | 17:52 |
| nomis | RST38h: iliad? That is quite a bit more expensive though. | 17:52 |
| RST38h | They even give out prizes for the best ereader app | 17:52 |
| RST38h | no | 17:52 |
| RST38h | a moment | 17:52 |
| nomis | eh, what is .ua? Do you mean .uk? | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 17:52 |
| qwerty12 | Ukraine | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | armv6vfp | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | 128mbram.. | 17:53 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, it could run mer | 17:53 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps-attracting ability, ... | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | who's up for greyscale maemo? | 17:53 |
| nomis | it even boots from the SD-card, including boot loader apparently. | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | right, i'm sold | 17:54 |
| guysoft42 | i seem to be getting while installing maemo sdk: root@golem3:/home/guy# chroot /opt/maemo/dists/lenny-2009-1 mount -t proc proc /proc mount: error while loading shared libraries: libuuid.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 17:54 |
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| Stskeeps | nomis: but where can i buy it? :P | 17:56 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: I take cash. No refunds | 17:56 |
| nomis | Stskeeps: starting in December apparently. | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | ooh. xmas gift for myself. | 17:57 |
| * nomis can't wait. | 17:57 | |
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| nomis | no audio though apparently. | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: you still have your Xephyr setup with different resolutions? | 17:58 |
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| Meizirkki | Stskeeps, not right now | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 17:58 |
| RST38h | nomis: The name is PocketBook | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: if you're bored sometime, test how 8bit / greyscale mer looks like | 17:59 |
| Meizirkki | okay | 17:59 |
| RST38h | nomis: Searching for dev site | 17:59 |
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| Stskeeps | https://developer.txtr.org/index.php?title=Architecture_Documentation is worth a read | 17:59 |
| RST38h | nomis,Stskeeps: http://pocketbook.com.ua/ | 18:00 |
| RST38h | Check the open source option at the far right | 18:00 |
| RST38h | Competition results (in English) here: http://pocketbook-free.sourceforge.net/en/index.shtml | 18:00 |
| nomis | RST38h: interesting. | 18:01 |
| RST38h | In fact, it looks like there are already TWO competing .UA ebook companies - lBook and PocketBook. Both basically sell Chinese OEM hardware with their own firmware | 18:02 |
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| RST38h | Next Nintendo Handheld To Be Powered By NVIDIA's Tegra Chipset | 18:04 |
| wazd | RST38h: that's rumor :) | 18:07 |
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| wazd | GeneralAntilles: around? | 18:08 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, :) @ grey | 18:08 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: Still need JamieBennett's mobile number? | 18:11 |
| Jaffa | lardman: I'll send you his contact card from my N900 | 18:11 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: You should have SMS | 18:18 |
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| plastun | how to set avatar for my account on maemo.org? | 18:23 |
| X-Fade | plastun: http://maemo.org/profile/publish/ | 18:24 |
| plastun | and how can I rich this link over UI? | 18:24 |
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| X-Fade | plastun: through edit | 18:24 |
| mgedmin | rich? ITYM reach | 18:24 |
| X-Fade | plastun: is the page you see after you hit save on edit. | 18:25 |
| X-Fade | plastun: But also in the toolbar when you are on your profile page. Page -> publish account details | 18:26 |
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| plastun | X-Fade, yes, it works. Thanks. | 18:28 |
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| andre__ | errm... Bluetooth mice are not supported in Fremantle, right? | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | if you enable a cursor, maybe | 18:32 |
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| andre__ | heh. but not officially supported, right? | 18:35 |
| rikshot_ | Does anyone know when will the final versions of ESBox and the maemo SDK VM image will be released? | 18:35 |
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| VDVsx | andre__, works in the browser with the cursor enabled | 18:37 |
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| VDVsx | humm, can't play vimeo videos with the last fw, can anyone confirm this ? | 18:39 |
| andre__ | okay. how to enable the cursor?! | 18:39 |
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| VDVsx | andre__, swipe gesture | 18:39 |
| qwerty12 | andre__: File a bug and VDVsx will tell you there | 18:39 |
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| andre__ | :-D | 18:40 |
| andre__ | i'm asking because i wonder what to respond to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5425 | 18:40 |
| VDVsx | but I'm not sure if the mouse works fine, I only saw it working at the summit, didn't test it yet | 18:41 |
| Shapeshifter | I'm writing something involving gstreamer and I think my pipeline and all that is okay, but when I run it, I receive this error: OIL: ERROR liboiltest.c 405: oil_test_check_impl(): function mas10_u8_mmx_2 in class mas10_u8_l15 failed check (6933 > 0) || (outside=0) Any clues? | 18:41 |
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| VDVsx | andre__, gonna talk with Tomasz at #mer | 18:43 |
| andre__ | oh cool. no average customer but a developer it seems :-P | 18:44 |
| lardman | zerojay: thanks for the tweet, he send me a text | 18:44 |
| lardman | s/send/sent | 18:45 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__: power user, not developer :P | 18:45 |
| VDVsx | can someone try to play a vimeo video in the n900 with fw-41 ? | 18:46 |
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| VDVsx | Stskeeps, he's a good speaker too ;) | 18:46 |
| andre__ | 38 votes on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5300 in just one day?! whouah. community certainly rocks | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | VDVsx: Sure. What's their selection of porn like? | 18:46 |
| jjrv | managed to get the sdk installed on an N900, compiled and ran some gtk tests using gcc | 18:46 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12, red tube is better ;) | 18:46 |
| derf | Shapeshifter: I usually give up when I run into liboil problems. | 18:46 |
| derf | You could ask ds about it, though. | 18:46 |
| lardman | I thought someone said the app manager forgetting its place was fixed in the current release....? | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | VDVsx: Ah. Well in that case, I'm suddenly not available for testing it | 18:47 |
| andre__ | lardman, no, the one after. see the bug report about it | 18:47 |
| lardman | andre__: ah ok | 18:47 |
| andre__ | (or if my comment on that ticket is unclear hit me hard) | 18:47 |
| lardman | andre__: no, I seem to remember that now | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | VDVsx: The video on its front page "plays" but I cannot see anything | 18:48 |
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| VDVsx | qwerty12, only sound ? | 18:49 |
| lardman | what was the screenshot shortcut? | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | Ctrl-Shift-P | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | VDVsx: Dunno, it's in mute. Wait a sec | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | But I certainly cannot see any video | 18:50 |
| fiferboy | qwerty12: I have 7 instances of personal-ip-address running :) | 18:50 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12, only sound here, the image is static | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | VDVsx: I get only sound, and choppy sound at that | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | fiferboy: Nice :) | 18:50 |
| VDVsx | oh hell, seems that I've to give some more work to andre__ ;) | 18:50 |
| fiferboy | I'll have to test if they all have an ID or something I can reference them by, otherwise they will always show the same content | 18:51 |
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| lardman | hmm, anyone know how to get rid of this? http://share.ovi.com/media/lardman.mymedia/lardman.10001 | 18:54 |
| lardman | assuming you guys can see that | 18:55 |
| Shapeshifter | derf: :( | 18:55 |
| Shapeshifter | http://pastie.org/654666 here's the relevant code if someone with gstreamer and gtk expertise wants to have a look. | 18:56 |
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| lardman | Shapeshifter: what's the problem?> | 18:59 |
| lardman | ah, I see | 18:59 |
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| Shapeshifter | lardman: I want to embed a gstreamer video in gtk but I receive an odd liboid error which I can't find anything about on google. | 18:59 |
| lardman | no, never seen that myself | 19:00 |
| zaheerm | Shapeshifter, i've seen the liboil warning but it shouldn't affect you too much | 19:01 |
| zaheerm | Shapeshifter, this is on the sdk or on the device? | 19:02 |
| lardman | you know gst_x_overlay_set_xwindow_id() shouldn't be called there? | 19:02 |
| zaheerm | yah you should set the x window id when you get it in a synv bus message handler | 19:02 |
| lardman | so I was told anyway. It should be called from a bus callback as the pipeline starts up | 19:02 |
| lardman | ^ | 19:03 |
| zaheerm | has to be a sync bus callback | 19:03 |
| Shapeshifter | zaheerm: in the SDK. I just ran the gstreamer pipeline in the SDK and noticed the same error popping up but it really doesn't affect it, so it's still working. Definetely a problem in my code. | 19:03 |
| Shapeshifter | ah. | 19:03 |
| zaheerm | otherwise you get a gtk window | 19:03 |
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| zaheerm | temporarily | 19:03 |
| Shapeshifter | mhhh | 19:03 |
| lardman | off home | 19:03 |
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| zaheerm | yah liboil error i saw in sdk not on device | 19:05 |
| zaheerm | however it is harmless | 19:05 |
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| Shapeshifter | zaheerm: thanks. | 19:07 |
| mgedmin | gaah, chromium makes browsing maemo.org a pain | 19:07 |
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| mgedmin | press alt+number to switch tabs, chromium does that *and* trigger a <a accesskey="number"> link | 19:08 |
| mgedmin | maemo uses those | 19:08 |
| mgedmin | whyyy? | 19:08 |
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| luke-jr | mgedmin: probably a better question is why Chromium does such a thing | 19:12 |
| luke-jr | and why one would use such a browser | 19:12 |
| mgedmin | because firefox got so slow I can't stand it any more | 19:12 |
| mgedmin | click link in irc/terminal, count to 3, get a new tab/window | 19:12 |
| mgedmin | chromium: click link in irc/terminal, get a new tab/window | 19:12 |
| mgedmin | in most other respects chromium sucks | 19:13 |
| mgedmin | (e.g. where's my "subscribe to the rss feed of this website" icon?) | 19:13 |
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| luke-jr | mgedmin: I didn't suggest Firefox. Learn to use a sane browser. | 19:14 |
| luke-jr | like Konqueror or Arora | 19:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wazd, ping? | 19:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I lost, like, 300 points somewhere along the line. | 19:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hooray, spec defeats sanity again! http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5262 | 19:22 |
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| lardman | re | 19:23 |
| Shapeshifter | who is Quim Gil? | 19:24 |
| lardman | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5369 is another interesting spec choice | 19:24 |
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| zerojayN900 | he's nokia's open source advocate and part of maemo devices. | 19:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody with Maemo 5, a UPnP server and an unmodified string set want to do a quick test for me? | 19:25 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: heya | 19:25 |
| zerojayN900 | i can when i get home. | 19:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, then spec AGAIN?! | 19:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/then/the/ | 19:25 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: lardman, the spec AGAIN?! | 19:26 |
| mikhas | thp, your bug #5300 got nice traction, well done =) | 19:26 |
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| zerojayN900 | ,general btw, it's finally in extras-testing. vote it up. | 19:26 |
| zerojayN900 | fucking nick complete. | 19:26 |
| jjrv | is there a way to get a bluetooth keyboard such as nokia's SU-8W working? | 19:26 |
| jjrv | without that coding on the device is sub-optimal | 19:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Nokians have all been holed away working on Fremantle for too long. | 19:27 |
| zerojayN900 | general, test | 19:27 |
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| zerojayN900 | wtf. | 19:27 |
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| solarion | GeneralAntilles: meh. that's rather insignificant in the grand scheme of things | 19:28 |
| solarion | UPnP is Univeral Plug-n-Pwn? ;) | 19:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | solarion, have you read the manual? :) | 19:29 |
| solarion | jjrmy palm keyboard worked fin | 19:29 |
| solarion | fricking network-induced lag | 19:30 |
| solarion | Geaa | 19:30 |
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| * qwerty12 is witnessing the creation of a new language | 19:30 | |
| thp | mikhas: :) | 19:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now let's get some votes on this: http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5431 | 19:32 |
| lardman | sold! | 19:34 |
| solarion | qwerty12: the language of a sucky network link? | 19:35 |
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| zerojayN900 | it's got my vote. | 19:35 |
| thp | 5431 got my vote, too :) | 19:35 |
| qwerty12 | solarion: Hmm, you'll need to give it a catchier name if you want it to take off | 19:36 |
| mgedmin | what? | 19:36 |
| mgedmin | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5262 | 19:36 |
| mgedmin | we have a device with broken bluetooth and someone is harping about obscure English stylistic points? | 19:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, different teams. | 19:36 |
| solarion | qwerty12: sucklang? | 19:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, and it's hardly obscure. | 19:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, read the manual, please. | 19:36 |
| qwerty12 | solarion: I'm officially sold | 19:37 |
| mgedmin | what, me read the manual? whatever for? | 19:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, because then you'll realize exactly how bad Nokia's abuse of English really is. | 19:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | and, seriously, the people who working on the manual wont take time and effort away from people working on Bluetooth. | 19:38 |
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| mikhas | the english in my manual looked like french | 19:38 |
| mgedmin | IIRC, the English style guides I've read recomment "for example" instead of "e.g." | 19:38 |
| mgedmin | but anyway, I don't care | 19:38 |
| andre__ | nokia style guides say that latin abbreviations shall not be used | 19:38 |
| * mgedmin looks at what he just wrote and quivers in terror | 19:39 | |
| solarion | GeneralAntilles: I've not read the n900 manual; I don't have one. | 19:39 |
| solarion | :( | 19:39 |
| mgedmin | oh dear, I misspelt "recommend" | 19:39 |
| mgedmin | the shame :( | 19:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | solarion, there's a PDF floating around somewhere. | 19:39 |
| mgedmin | planet.maemo.org had a link | 19:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, at the very least they can try for grammatical correctness when not using Latin abbreviations. | 19:39 |
| solarion | e | 19:40 |
| zerojayN900 | has anyone been able to connect to msn on their n900s in the last day or two? | 19:41 |
| mikhas | for that the English language would first have to define a proper grammar *runs* | 19:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, anyway, whatever, if they don't care then I don't care. | 19:41 |
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| mgedmin | so, does anybody want to help me set up Bluetooth PAN between my laptop and my N900? | 19:42 |
| mgedmin | my laptop already has a network interface called 'pan0' from my last (unsuccessful) attempt | 19:43 |
| thp | mgedmin: isn't bug 5431 about HildonTouchSelector (as opposed to the treeview in a pannable area like on app manager)? | 19:44 |
| mgedmin | ... oops | 19:45 |
| thp | (but of course, all these scollable lists should have search-as-you-type( | 19:45 |
| mgedmin | somebody please stop me from saying anything out loud on the internet for the rest of the evening | 19:45 |
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| Shapeshifter | mgedmin: maybe you ARE the internet | 19:45 |
| Shapeshifter | so you have no other choice... | 19:45 |
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| mgedmin | arf! arf! | 19:46 |
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| vladovg | hi | 19:46 |
| proberts_ | hi | 19:46 |
| ali1234 | mgedmin: i highly recommend blueman for that stuff, it's really easy to use | 19:46 |
| vladovg | have a problem | 19:46 |
| vladovg | with shared folder over XP | 19:46 |
| vladovg | some times ay see the folder and some times it not shol ani share networck | 19:47 |
| vladovg | in shiped file menager | 19:47 |
| vladovg | ani suggestons wat kan bi the problem | 19:48 |
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| SamPieter | hello! I'd like to install the newest (preview release) version of Flipclock on my N810. This cannot be completed because I miss file "libsdl-gfx.1.2-4. How do I get this file, and where should I put in? | 19:50 |
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| vladovg | sudo gainroot apt-get install libsdl-gfx.1.2-4 | 19:52 |
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| mgedmin | that made no sense at all | 19:54 |
| lardman | qwerty12: right, got urls opening, but rest of gui isn't interested once the fn returns. Any ideas appreciated of course. | 19:54 |
| MaceN8x0 | blah | 19:54 |
| SamPieter | vladovg: thank you I will try! | 19:55 |
| lardman | binary here for anyone else who fancies trying: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/mbarcode/fremantle/ | 19:55 |
| proberts_ | Windows SMB can be like that - sometimes it can take a long time (hours) or reboots to pick up when windows shares are added. I'm a Maemo noob, but if you have a shell and smbclient on your NIT and/or use 'net' in a windows cmd shell and see if you can list the resources on the remote device. | 19:56 |
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| lardman | proberts_: or you can net send a message to someone :) | 19:58 |
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| proberts_ | lardman: How would that help? | 19:59 |
| SamPieter | vladovg: "couldn't find package ..." Any ideas? | 20:00 |
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| mgedmin | SamPieter: the package is called libsdl-gfx1.2-4 | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | no . between x and 1 | 20:05 |
| SamPieter | ah | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | it's available in extras-devel | 20:06 |
| SamPieter | that worked mgedmin, thanks | 20:06 |
| mgedmin | and in extras | 20:06 |
| mgedmin | flipclock ought to depend on it, if it needs it, no? | 20:06 |
| mgedmin | why isn't it installed automatically? | 20:06 |
| mgedmin | *why the heck didn't avahi-daemon start up on boot* | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | cos of it not being event.d'ed? | 20:07 |
| solarion | better | 20:07 |
| mgedmin | /etc/rc2.d/S94avahi-daemon | 20:07 |
| mgedmin | it's S94 because when it was S14 it also failed to start | 20:07 |
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| Stskeeps | they don't use runlevels anymore | 20:08 |
| wiretapped | watchout, openmoko has a new device with multitouch ! | 20:13 |
| wiretapped | http://www.thewikireader.com/ | 20:13 |
| wiretapped | lol | 20:13 |
| SamPieter | mgedmin: this is an early preview release of Flipclock. Therefor dependencies have to be taken care of manually | 20:16 |
| mgedmin | ah, so it's not in a repository | 20:17 |
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| mgedmin | Stskeeps: oh? tell me more! this is a n810 | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | nm | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | anyone with a beagle around who is interested in getting maemo5 for beagle port going again? | 20:18 |
| mgedmin | I probably have same problem on the n900 if that makes you feel better | 20:18 |
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| SamPieter | mgedmin --no, not (yet?) It's version 0.9-preview1 | 20:20 |
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| lardman | proberts_: no it wouldn't help, my apologies | 20:22 |
| proberts_ | lardman: :( Thought I was going to learn a new windows trick :P | 20:23 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: So, what happened when you removed gettimeofday()? | 20:25 |
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| qwerty12 | RST38h: It still gets called from somewhere. I removed it from utils and the third party libraries it uses to no avail. Either way, it still locks up | 20:26 |
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| lardman | proberts_: nah, but it's a nice trick to play on Windows users ;) | 20:27 |
| clmntch | if it's not on google, it doesn't exist | 20:27 |
| clmntch | whoops | 20:28 |
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| proberts_ | lardman: Ohhh..... I did learn a new windows trick :) | 20:28 |
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| solarion | ah, Windows. Where would we be without you? | 20:28 |
| lardman | qwerty12: aaargh, that bloody dialog is still screwing things up | 20:28 |
| Myrtti | in heaven | 20:28 |
| solarion | I think we'd have flying cars getting 100mpg. :) | 20:28 |
| Ronaldo38741 | I get 68mpg, close enough | 20:29 |
| solarion | Ronaldo38741: hybrid? | 20:29 |
| lardman | I get exactly half that | 20:29 |
| Ronaldo38741 | Currently a BMW 120d | 20:30 |
| Ronaldo38741 | Nope | 20:30 |
| solarion | I get less than half that | 20:30 |
| qwerty12 | lardman: After digging up my N800, switching through targets 1000 times, changing the libosso code, making a qrcode, finally getting it to scan the code; I saw | 20:30 |
| Ronaldo38741 | A lot of new European cars are getting 55+ | 20:30 |
| solarion | I need to get a postdoc in Germany | 20:30 |
| lardman | qwerty12: have gone for plain dbus code now, checked it in | 20:30 |
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| solarion | or professorship. That might be nice. | 20:30 |
| Corsac | a lot of european car get kpl | 20:31 |
| lardman | qwerty12: for QR just do a google image search, they are all advertising website urls ;) | 20:31 |
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| lardman | http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00399/keeley280_399469a.jpg | 20:31 |
| * qwerty12 should've made "thesun" connection | 20:31 | |
| lardman | nice to see the N900 camera works far better with this release | 20:32 |
| Ronaldo38741 | Corsac, I was talking mpg | 20:32 |
| Corsac | I know :) | 20:32 |
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| proberts_ | Is that the ring girl for Robot Wars? | 20:32 |
| Ronaldo38741 | Keeley Hazell I believe | 20:33 |
| lardman | http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=qr+code&oe=utf-8&rls=com.ubuntu:en-GB:unofficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=B9TVSurcE4HSjAfE38H9CQ&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=5&ved=0CDIQsAQwBA | 20:33 |
| lardman | she was on the first page, promise! | 20:33 |
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| lardman | so any GTK+ dialog/threading experts lurking here to diagnose my UI halt after trying to use a dialog? | 20:34 |
| Shapeshifter | lardman: I'm not an expert, but I've done it and it worked. | 20:34 |
| Shapeshifter | lardman: code? | 20:35 |
| derf | lardman: I also have some time today. | 20:35 |
| lardman | hang on, will get url | 20:35 |
| lardman | qwerty12: can you build for a diablo target? | 20:35 |
| qwerty12 | I have to GTFO my computer now | 20:36 |
| lardman | ~gtfo | 20:36 |
| infobot | Sorry sir, I won't bother you anymore. | 20:36 |
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| lardman | get the ... off | 20:36 |
| lardman | I see | 20:36 |
| qwerty12 | That's all it needed? | 20:36 |
| lardman | code is here: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/branches/simon_wip/maemo-barcode/?root=maemo-barcode | 20:37 |
| lardman | problem is at the bottom of web.c | 20:37 |
| lardman | if you show the dialog, after it's closed the rest of the ui becomes unresponsive (but it does return) | 20:37 |
| guysoft42 | guy@golem3:~/mydocuments/devel/maemo$ sb2 apt-get install kernel-source-diablo SB2: apt-get wrapper: Operation denied in this mode (devel) .. why is it giving me that?? | 20:37 |
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| lardman | if you don't show the dialog, it happily opens the browser and off it goes | 20:37 |
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| lardman | if you have an N900, code here: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/mbarcode/ | 20:39 |
| lardman | need to install the libdmtx0 deb | 20:39 |
| lardman | if not, you still need libdmtx0 from here: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/mbarcode/diablo/ | 20:39 |
| lardman | but that binary is out of date | 20:39 |
| lardman | typo, N900 code here: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/mbarcode/fremantle/ | 20:40 |
| derf | The keys are right next to each other. | 20:40 |
| derf | Should you really be trying to open a dialog from the gst callback? | 20:42 |
| lardman | that I don't know | 20:42 |
| fiferboy | lardman: Try not setting GTK_DIALOG_DESTROY_WITH_PARENT if you are explicitly destroying the dialog yourself | 20:43 |
| derf | I suspect that is your problem. | 20:43 |
| lardman | fiferboy: doesn't seem to matter, wasn't sure from the examples I've seen, they all have it set | 20:43 |
| lardman | derf: hmm, ok | 20:43 |
| fiferboy | I've had weird things happen with that flag... | 20:43 |
| lardman | derf: that callback should be in the glib main loop, or so I thought | 20:44 |
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| lardman | ok, I'll try setting a timer callback to run the processing code and see what happens | 20:45 |
| derf | I am by no means a gst expert. | 20:45 |
| lardman | is anyone? ;) | 20:45 |
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| derf | I know a few. | 20:45 |
| zaheerm | what's the gst issue? | 20:45 |
| derf | It hasn't rubbed off, though. | 20:45 |
| lardman | zaheerm: can I alter GTK+ ui components (like run a dialog) from a bus callback? | 20:46 |
| zaheerm | lardman, if it is a normal bus callback, yes | 20:46 |
| zaheerm | lardman, but.... | 20:46 |
| derf | The documentation does say that gst_bus_add_watch() means it adds a GSource to the glib main loop. | 20:46 |
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| lardman | gst_bus_add_watch (bus, (GstBusFunc) bus_callback, NULL); | 20:47 |
| lardman | that sort? | 20:47 |
| zaheerm | yes | 20:47 |
| zaheerm | you should be fine | 20:47 |
| lardman | hmm | 20:47 |
| zaheerm | but | 20:47 |
| derf | lardman: Where do you think I got function name to look up in the documentation? | 20:47 |
| lardman | :) | 20:47 |
| zaheerm | what error do you get? | 20:47 |
| guysoft42 | lardman, might you know where i can get the diablo kernel source? | 20:48 |
| lardman | derf: that should be ok then...? | 20:48 |
| lardman | guysoft42: from the repo | 20:48 |
| lardman | zaheerm: I try to display a dialog, but the rest of the UI freezes after I close it | 20:48 |
| derf | lardman: Well, that means that non-blocking calls to modify GUI elements should be okay. | 20:48 |
| lardman | guysoft42: "apt-cache search kernel" and choose the one with "source" near it | 20:49 |
| zaheerm | lardman, the bus callback should be happening in the main thread | 20:49 |
| derf | I'm less convinced that automatically implies running a dialog with its recursive main loop invocation will work. | 20:49 |
| zaheerm | lardman, ie the one where your gtk mainloop is | 20:49 |
| lardman | hmm, my dialog is modal so it "blocks" | 20:49 |
| guysoft42 | lardman, ah, had do to 'source'' | 20:49 |
| zaheerm | lardman, aah bad idea | 20:49 |
| lardman | ok, so I'll add a timer callback and see if that works better | 20:50 |
| zaheerm | means your whole gtk mainloop is blocked | 20:50 |
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| zaheerm | no events get processed, nothing | 20:50 |
| lardman | zaheerm: yeah, but it should unblock once the dialog closes...? | 20:50 |
| zaheerm | yes it should | 20:50 |
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| lardman | that's my problem, it doesn't seem to | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | till-: poke | 20:51 |
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| zaheerm | but...how does gtk get its clicks etc. | 20:51 |
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| lardman | it doesn't after the dialog is dismissed | 20:51 |
| zaheerm | i am not much of a gtk person so not sure how it marshals the events | 20:51 |
| lardman | whole thing locks up, but the bus_callback thread keeps running until it returns | 20:51 |
| derf | My suspicion is that something in the gst bus code is not re-entrant. | 20:51 |
| lardman | yeah | 20:52 |
| lardman | ok, will do the timer thing and see what happens | 20:52 |
| zaheerm | or you could do an idle_add | 20:52 |
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| zaheerm | the bus callback is not designed to be blocked... | 20:52 |
| lardman | ok | 20:52 |
| lardman | is idle_add a better bet than the timer? | 20:53 |
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| zaheerm | it's ugly but easier to write | 20:53 |
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| lardman | timer callback didn't seem to work from my webscrape/parse code I should mention | 20:53 |
| guysoft42 | yay! cdc_acm is in the kernel source.. now how on earth do you compile a kernel module? | 20:53 |
| dmsuperman | Will Maemo 5 be able to be run on the N800 in any fashion? | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | ~mer | 20:53 |
| zerojayN900 | no. | 20:53 |
| guysoft42 | dmsuperman, no.. | 20:53 |
| infobot | i guess mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer | 20:53 |
| zaheerm | dmsuperman, the mer project is trying similar stuff | 20:53 |
| * qwerty12_N810 points dmsuperman to the /topic | 20:53 | |
| Stskeeps | he said any fashion, mer counts ;p | 20:54 |
| derf | lardman: Whups, dinner calls. | 20:54 |
| derf | Let me know if you have any luck. | 20:54 |
| dmsuperman | Ah | 20:54 |
| guysoft42 | um, how can i compile modules within the maemo kernel source? | 20:54 |
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| lardman | derf: will do, thanks | 20:54 |
| lardman | zaheerm: thanks also | 20:54 |
| lardman | guysoft42: alter the defconfig | 20:55 |
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| guysoft42 | lardman, is there menu-config? | 20:55 |
| guysoft42 | Laiska, ok.. | 20:55 |
| lardman | run make menuconfig iirc | 20:55 |
| lardman | make sure you have the right arch set | 20:55 |
| dmsuperman | The ars article I just read mentioned that one of the biggest features of maemo 5 will be calendaring, which really doesn't exist for my N800... any idea if there are plans to either emulate or port this functionality to mer then? | 20:55 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: ;) | 20:55 |
| zaheerm | dmsuperman, ask in #mer i think | 20:55 |
| lardman | dmsuperman: I imagine it will come | 20:55 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Here? | 20:55 |
| guysoft42 | /opt/maemo/dists/lenny-2009-1/bin/bash: defconfig: command not found | 20:55 |
| dmsuperman | Or perhaps there's a calendar app that I've missed | 20:55 |
| dmsuperman | Will do zaheerm | 20:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: Ja, but I'm computer-less now | 20:56 |
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| lardman | guysoft42: not directly, and it's called .defconfig | 20:56 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Got a chance to try it without gettimeofday? | 20:56 |
| lardman | I think | 20:56 |
| lardman | do make menuconfig or similar | 20:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: I said (before): yes, but it still gets called from somewhere | 20:56 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Is it still slow? (sorry, I did not see the original answer) | 20:57 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: Yes | 20:57 |
| RST38h | a'ok. is it slow when you stop all transfers btw? | 20:58 |
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| fiferboy | success! | 20:59 |
| guysoft42 | lardman, ok, this is strange! make menuconfig results in a compile error! http://pastebin.com/m7d65181b | 20:59 |
| Jaffa | dmsuperman: gcobb maintains GPE Calendar | 20:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: No, when I get the chance to actually stop it =) | 20:59 |
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| dmsuperman | Jaffa: Last I used it GPE calendar didn't work well or sync with google calendar without several issues | 21:00 |
| RST38h | qwerty: then poll it is. | 21:00 |
| lardman | derf: when you get back from supper, as you're not so busy ;) fancy doing a libdmtx rewrite a la QR code? ;) | 21:00 |
| guysoft42 | dmsuperman, for me it just pulled calendars fine, but did not update them | 21:00 |
| RST38h | qwerty: I will look further into it | 21:00 |
| dmsuperman | guysoft42: I need bi-directional or it's useless to use | 21:00 |
| Jaffa | dmsuperman: Maemo 5'll only sync to your first calendar OOtB. There's also Khertan's mCalendar | 21:00 |
| lardman | guysoft42: ah, you may need to alter the .defconfig manually | 21:01 |
| guysoft42 | dmsuperman, bidi works in N810 quite fine.. | 21:01 |
| dmsuperman | Jaffa: Yeah mcalendar also had some issues... like it would just randomly set off alarms | 21:01 |
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| lardman | guysoft42: I've not compiled a kernel in ages though, so I may be wrong, sorry, just going from a ~2yo memory | 21:01 |
| guysoft42 | dmsuperman, in the GPE there is a glitch | 21:01 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: Thank you. Apart from lacking the knowledge, I'm also having fun with my pet applet :) | 21:01 |
| dmsuperman | guysoft42: I have an N800, but shouldn't they theoretically both work? | 21:01 |
| guysoft42 | dmsuperman, um, yes.. well i am not sure | 21:01 |
| guysoft42 | anyone knows how to compile a kernel module in maemo? | 21:02 |
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| lardman | guysoft42: google maemo kernel compile, etc | 21:04 |
| lardman | it knows everything after all ;) | 21:04 |
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| guysoft42 | lardman, it says to do make menuconfig : | 21:04 |
| guysoft42 | :( | 21:04 |
| lardman | really? | 21:05 |
| lardman | hmm, I seem to remember having troubles with that, depending on the target | 21:05 |
| lardman | which device is this? | 21:05 |
| guysoft42 | Laiska, yay got it! | 21:08 |
| guysoft42 | had do add exit to some file | 21:09 |
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| Ronaldo38741 | Opening any webpage with my N810, it sits at 'Connecting' for 30-40 secs. Is that normal? | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | sadly. :P | 21:10 |
| RST38h | 40 secs is not normal | 21:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | You've been targeted by Nokia's N900 advertising campaign | 21:10 |
| RST38h | unless that page has got loads of images and javascript | 21:10 |
| Ronaldo38741 | *any* page | 21:11 |
| Ronaldo38741 | Like, google.com | 21:11 |
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| Ronaldo38741 | Are any of the other browsers faster? | 21:12 |
| Meizirkki | Ronaldo38741, open up this link with our browser http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/tear.install | 21:12 |
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| Meizirkki | it'll install Tear | 21:12 |
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| Ronaldo38741 | Which is? | 21:12 |
| Meizirkki | s/our/your tablets/ | 21:12 |
| Meizirkki | it's a fast web browser | 21:12 |
| * guysoft42 is compiling the kernel | 21:13 | |
| Ronaldo38741 | So it's a microb rather than N810 issue? | 21:13 |
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| Meizirkki | n810 isn't the best hardware for todays web-pages, but Tear makes browsing a lot faster :) | 21:14 |
| Ronaldo38741 | I'd just like to be able to Google in under a minute | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | sounds like you need Tear | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | it transformed my n810 experience | 21:15 |
| Ronaldo38741 | Does it have adblock/flashblock/equivalents? | 21:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I present our first Tearaholics member: Stskeeps | 21:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | That said, I use it over MicroB on the N810 | 21:16 |
| andre__ | damn. looks like usb is broken on this machine so i can't flash my n900. grumble | 21:16 |
| Meizirkki | just open up the link with microb and it'll open application-manager asking about the install :) | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: yeah, ran into that earlier | 21:16 |
| Ronaldo38741 | Meizirkki: installing now | 21:17 |
| andre__ | i want my (broken) T61 back. sigh | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: had to switch away from my USB hub and then it worked :P | 21:17 |
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| andre__ | heh | 21:18 |
| andre__ | i simply need even more machines here :-P | 21:18 |
| Ronaldo38741 | How does microb relate to Fennec? | 21:18 |
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| derf | lardman: Long term, yes. | 21:23 |
| derf | I don't think I have _that_ much time, though. | 21:23 |
| derf | At least not today. | 21:23 |
| prometoys | andre__: when do you change a bug from unconfirmed to new? | 21:23 |
| Ronaldo38741 | Meizirkki, tear is about 10x quicker. Thanks | 21:24 |
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| derf | Did anything ever get announced about an N900 developer program? | 21:25 |
| lardman | derf: lol | 21:26 |
| lardman | for long time bit | 21:26 |
| andre__ | prometoys, basically when you can confirm it :-P e.g. reproduce in case of a bug, or if it makes sense for an enhancement. i admit the latter is vague | 21:26 |
| lardman | re. dev program, no. | 21:26 |
| andre__ | derf, nope | 21:26 |
| derf | I thought something was supposed to get announced at the summit. | 21:26 |
| derf | I guess not. | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | all participants got a n900 though, except if they were subcontractors or employeees of nokia | 21:28 |
| prometoys | andre__ thx | 21:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | In which case they'll have already had one ;) | 21:28 |
| pH5 | hi, is the tag cloud widget used in the fremantle image viewer contained in libcumulus? | 21:29 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, actually that rule was not applied that drastically. because i also got one (after convincing them that keeping the old brick wasn't a solution) | 21:29 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__: well what was said official, not what was actually done ;) | 21:30 |
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| VDVsx | Stskeeps, I didn't asked for a new one for example ;) | 21:32 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | VDVsx: Being their bit^H^H a Maemo Community Council member does not make you an employee :p | 21:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | pH5: Yessir | 21:33 |
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| VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, nop, but I'm not greedy ;) | 21:35 |
| prometoys | andre__: are you automatically CC of all bugs? | 21:35 |
| qwerty12_N810 | VDVsx: Should've pretended you didn't already have one | 21:36 |
| andre__ | prometoys, nope | 21:36 |
| qwerty12_N810 | prometoys: He has the All Seeing Eye over bugs.maemo.org | 21:36 |
| pH5 | qwerty12_N810: thanks. | 21:36 |
| andre__ | but i have x-ray eyes and superpowers! | 21:36 |
| andre__ | after eating chocolate. which reminds me of... | 21:37 |
| prometoys | andre__: what does it mean, when you are a CC of a bug. did you take a look on it | 21:37 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, lol, that's general knowledge at this point ;) | 21:37 |
| andre__ | prometoys, basically yes. in some rare cases not | 21:37 |
| frals | the "did your n900 ship today" is pretty awesome | 21:37 |
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| * solarion wishes his n00 shipped today | 21:38 | |
| * VDVsx goes watch football | 21:38 | |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: here's my movie I was talking about :) http://wazd.blip.tv/ | 21:38 |
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| solarion | 'course, it shipping is predicated on it being ordered. :) | 21:38 |
| andre__ | oh, football. right. i need a tv... | 21:38 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Sell your kitchen sink | 21:39 |
| * Stskeeps wants to get rid of his tv signal | 21:39 | |
| solarion | TV sucks | 21:39 |
| solarion | it sucks less than no TV, however. | 21:40 |
| andre__ | but what to do with all the dirty dishes then? outsourcing again? | 21:40 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | andre__: Ask Nokia for their kitchen sink that tells Ovi the items you wash up | 21:40 |
| andre__ | oh. | 21:41 |
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| prometoys | andre__ i'm looking for unconfirmed bugs and try to triage them. does it make sense to triage a bug, where you (or someone else) is in the CC? | 21:43 |
| andre__ | oh, of course :) | 21:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, I tried getting a roommate, but it just made for more dishes and less dishwashing. :P | 21:44 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: is your beagle still dead: | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 21:45 |
| andre__ | prometoys, just because I'm on CC does not mean that everything is okay, and that opinions and ideas cannot be added ;-) | 21:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, more or less. | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | k | 21:45 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, same here with the other male flatmates. the female ones though are quite useful :-P | 21:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I think it boots, but I used its SD card in something else. | 21:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why? | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: resurrecting beagle port of maemo | 21:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, that would require me working on things, or . . . ? :P | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | dunno | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | or testing | 21:47 |
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| solarion | bo-riing | 21:57 |
| solarion | why isn't qgil on here? | 21:57 |
| RST38h | why should he be here? | 21:57 |
| timeless_mbp | at 10pm? | 21:57 |
| timeless_mbp | you mean that instead of spending time with his family, he should be here? | 21:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | He found out you were here and took a rain check | 21:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because he has insufficient dedication. | 21:57 |
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| Stskeeps | he used to, but keeping track on here and talk.* would steal anyones sanity | 21:58 |
| javispedro | Now I know why that sudden drop in my personal performance. | 21:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo's too big to track all of the channels these days. | 21:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | _I_ can't even keep up with them, and I'm a poor college student with oodles of free time. :P | 21:59 |
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| * qwerty12_N810 mutters something about spending time and beaches | 21:59 | |
| andre__ | it's really hard to keep up with all the communication channels nowadays, yeah | 22:00 |
| lcuk | word of mouth works well enough | 22:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, if only. ;) | 22:01 |
| lcuk | if something is outragious on tmo GAN will keep us informed | 22:01 |
| javispedro | andre__, btw, I think it was you who redirectered some maemian with MSCHAPv2 problems to the eduroam PAP bug; they're not the same, there's a separate eduroam MSCHAPv2 bug actually (but can't find it...) | 22:01 |
| * lcuk keeps an eye on the spy page | 22:02 | |
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| qwerty12_N810 | And if I want to find about Ovi and Maemo, I ask lcuk's finger | 22:02 |
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| frals | is there some easy way to track the bugzilla btw? | 22:03 |
| solarion | Stskeeps: I'd see that. :) | 22:03 |
| javispedro | (in case anyone is having eduroam problems and wants to joing the very select libicd-network-wpa testers group, please backup your tablet and email me :) ) | 22:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | frals, you can create a recent changes search. | 22:03 |
| lcuk | those same people, pack up their tablets and mail em to me | 22:03 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: I still have r13 installed :p | 22:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | frals, so you can get a list of all bugs that have been changed in the past x days. | 22:04 |
| frals | GeneralAntilles: oh cool | 22:04 |
| * timeless_mbp pokes andre__ | 22:04 | |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: any battery-dead-in-the-morning issue? | 22:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | frals, that, or just subscribe to any bug that peaks your interest. | 22:04 |
| timeless_mbp | andre__: getting random groups to fix files | 22:04 |
| timeless_mbp | is a terrible approach | 22:04 |
| timeless_mbp | i've spent over a year trying to get mozilla to fix their repository | 22:04 |
| timeless_mbp | it doesn't work | 22:04 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: No, but I haven't had a chance to use it :/ | 22:04 |
| solarion | stupid uelesse library network | 22:04 |
| frals | yeah ive subscribed to a few bugs, the problem is finding them really, might just be me not used to bugzilla thou | 22:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd love to see a recent changes search added to the default searches. . . . | 22:04 |
| timeless_mbp | frals: um | 22:05 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: it being active is enough to crash your tablet | 22:05 |
| javispedro | ;) | 22:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | frals, bugzilla fails for browsing. | 22:05 |
| timeless_mbp | bugs you voted for or bugs you cc'd yourself to? | 22:05 |
| timeless_mbp | because both are trivial | 22:05 |
| lcuk | can a .install fiel add a repository, download and install files, remove repository again? | 22:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, no. | 22:05 |
| javispedro | jsut joking of course. but i am still having a once in a month dead-in-the-morning issue it's getting very hard to debug. | 22:05 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: no? | 22:05 |
| timeless_mbp | why not? | 22:05 |
| * qwerty12_N810 stops gatecrashing the libicd-network-wpa party | 22:05 | |
| timeless_mbp | a .install file can suggest a package to install | 22:05 |
| timeless_mbp | the package can in post.inst as root do anything | 22:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, well, I suppose if you do something fun with the postinst. . . . | 22:06 |
| lcuk | o_O | 22:06 |
| timeless_mbp | including trying to find the stupid xml file and sources.list.d/ file | 22:06 |
| javispedro | (not necessarily libicd-network-wpa's fault :P) | 22:06 |
| timeless_mbp | and then delete its bits | 22:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it's not a feature of h-a-m or the .install file, no. ;) | 22:06 |
| andre__ | timeless, file an internal ticket if that's really such a huge problem for you | 22:07 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: it's not the designed goal of an .install file | 22:07 |
| javispedro | then check if the tablet is a loaned one and if so rm -rf / . | 22:07 |
| lcuk | so, basically with http://10.0.0.1/a.install from a machine on the local network | 22:07 |
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| andre__ | looks like using cannons to shoot small birdies to me (hmm, does this proverb really work in english?) | 22:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | not particularly well :) | 22:07 |
| timeless_mbp | there's an equivalent somewhere, but i don't use it | 22:07 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: You're not gonna get thumbs up that way ;) | 22:07 |
| lcuk | the other alternative is to have the presentation software on maemo.org and find its data locally | 22:07 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: basically, it is possible to do what you want | 22:08 |
| timeless_mbp | it's considered evil | 22:08 |
| timeless_mbp | but well... | 22:08 |
| lcuk | timeless, well i had a bit of a problem at the summit | 22:08 |
| lcuk | about timing to get apps through into extras | 22:09 |
| derf | andre__: "Using a bazooka to shoot a fly" is the normal English idiom. | 22:09 |
| lcuk | the need for small groups of special interest users to have a simple mechanism to install software for an event isnt high yet, but it was frustrating at odz | 22:09 |
| javispedro | Software EXchange sharing plugin! | 22:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | ah yes, what derf said | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, something involving a sledgehammer and finishing nails would work better. ;) | 22:10 |
| timeless_mbp | or that | 22:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: SEX sharing plugin? | 22:10 |
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| javispedro | eaxctly. | 22:11 |
| proberts_ | Any of you guys in EU: Can you just go in to a mobile shop and buy a N900? (ME Magazine UK for Oct 09 lists it as the device for 'prosumers') | 22:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: That's called Bluetooth | 22:11 |
| frals | proberts_: no, its not released yet | 22:11 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12_N810, transmission client running on all machines in a lan and a growing collection of media with automatic refresh and downloads | 22:13 |
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| javispedro | the spirit of Direct Connect iirc. | 22:13 |
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| * lcuk nods | 22:13 | |
| lcuk | tho dc was less about shared dl | 22:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Direct Connect. Share 3TB or GTFO. | 22:14 |
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| proberts_ | frals: I think it was releases here in the US last week? Or did it get delayed? | 22:14 |
| lcuk | each download had to be manually assigned to each user afaik | 22:14 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12_N810, gtfo then lol | 22:14 |
| lcuk | or share your C:\ drive | 22:14 |
| javispedro | 3TB C:\ drive O.o | 22:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I have nothing interesting | 22:15 |
| * javispedro still not used to year 2009. | 22:15 | |
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| lcuk | qwerty12_N810, that never stopped people trying | 22:15 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: you're running out of time :) | 22:15 |
| lcuk | even in the low ceiling chans | 22:15 |
| javispedro | october already? :( | 22:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: Meh, doesn't matter. The files available were shit or were readily available from other sources | 22:16 |
| andre__ | derf, ah. thanks :) | 22:16 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12_N810, retention on dc is greatly more than the retention of any torrent client | 22:17 |
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| proberts_ | frals: Looks like it was delayed here.... so, where are people from the Maemo community getting them? | 22:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, I think the only thing keeping me from losing my mind is it not reading 3000GB. :D | 22:17 |
| wazd | 3TB Hdd <- that's what porn does with people :D | 22:17 |
| javispedro | lol 30 times my current "C:\" drive. | 22:17 |
| lcuk | my c drive has just gone upto 60gb | 22:18 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: Sure, but I'm not limiting this to just BitTorrent | 22:18 |
| * lcuk nods | 22:18 | |
| lcuk | im a fat bloater today, tea was delicious and well needed. | 22:19 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: I'm still boggling that my current computer has a million times more RAM than my first, and is a million times as fast. | 22:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | My boot volume just dropped down to 80GB. | 22:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hooray SSD. | 22:20 |
| SpeedEvil | (zx81, c2d laptop with 2G RAM) | 22:20 |
| javispedro | and only about ten times more productive! | 22:20 |
| javispedro | :) | 22:20 |
| javispedro | joooking. | 22:21 |
| javispedro | don't want to open than particular can of bugs (again) ;) | 22:21 |
| ShadowJK | proberts_, it's not out in US either. Those who haven't received prototypes or loaners are waiting on preorders still :) | 22:22 |
| fiferboy | This may seem like a simple question - but isn't hildon_gtk_tree_view_new supposed to create the view AND be scrollable? | 22:22 |
| proberts_ | ShadowJK: Thanks. | 22:23 |
| timeless_mbp | so, who lost track of cc listed bugs? | 22:23 |
| timeless_mbp | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&field0-0-0=cc&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%25user%25 | 22:23 |
| timeless_mbp | is a query you should try | 22:23 |
| javispedro | fiferboy: nope. you still need gtkscrollabe/hildonpannable. | 22:23 |
| fiferboy | If I put it in a pannable, the headers scroll off the top... | 22:23 |
| fiferboy | Am I not supposed to be using headers :| | 22:23 |
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| javispedro | hum. I didn't notice that. | 22:23 |
| javispedro | doesn't happen with scrollable for sure. | 22:23 |
| * javispedro checks. | 22:24 | |
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| javispedro | fiferboy: WORKSFORME. | 22:26 |
| fiferboy | javispedro: Thanks for the sanity check. I was adding with _add_viewport, and of course treeview has it's own viewport | 22:26 |
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| fiferboy | Just need to do a container add on the pannable area :) | 22:26 |
| javispedro | :) | 22:26 |
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| Tadthebuilder | hey all | 22:38 |
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| Xisdibik | hey Tadthebuilder | 22:41 |
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| GAN900 | qwerty12, where's my nice kinetic scrolling for Fremantle XChat? :P | 22:47 |
| Tadthebuilder | give me kinetic scrolling for freemantle xchat or give me death | 22:47 |
| RST38h | it's death then | 22:47 |
| Tadthebuilder | kk | 22:48 |
| GAN900 | What's 'freemantle'? :P | 22:48 |
| Tadthebuilder | thats fine | 22:48 |
| Tadthebuilder | well | 22:48 |
| RST38h | he means fermantle | 22:48 |
| Tadthebuilder | its an extra e put in fremantle | 22:48 |
| Tadthebuilder | emphasize the free software foundation of said software | 22:48 |
| GAN900 | It's called 'fermantel' duh | 22:48 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GAN900: I really do not wish to give you another "/dev" answer | 22:48 |
| lcuk | Tadthebuilder, its open source, supply a patch :D | 22:49 |
| GAN900 | qwerty12, doooo it. | 22:49 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah okay | 22:49 |
| Tadthebuilder | ill get right on that | 22:49 |
| * lcuk is joking of course | 22:49 | |
| lcuk | its rather annoying | 22:49 |
| Tadthebuilder | to be honest I dont use xchat, and I dont know what kinetic scrolling is | 22:49 |
| lcuk | but the list has dual function | 22:49 |
| Tadthebuilder | I was just tring to help on Gan900 and make him feel not alone | 22:49 |
| * GAN900 wishes rtcomm would use his name instead of his screenname for IM. | 22:50 | |
| lcuk | good idea lol | 22:50 |
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| RST38h | you can set screen names for every account | 22:50 |
| GAN900 | Kinetic is where the scrolling area has inertia. | 22:50 |
| GAN900 | Keeps on scrolling so you can 'flick' it | 22:50 |
| RST38h | afaik XChat uses custom gtk widget for message window, so no luck | 22:50 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GAN900: Get me Tab | 22:51 |
| ShadowJK | xchat's rendering is so slow that kinetic scrolling would be a disaster anyway | 22:51 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, that appears to have no effect. | 22:51 |
| RST38h | GAN: Well, afaik for kinetic scrolling you need to derive it from one of standard widgets | 22:51 |
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| GAN900 | qwerty12, I tried. :( | 22:52 |
| GAN900 | khertan got it working, apparently. | 22:52 |
| Firebird | now that you mention it, moving the xchat scrollbar up and down uses quite a bit of CPU power | 22:53 |
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| ShadowJK | It used to be so bad (probably still is), that you could hang an xchat client on P3-733MHz by sending enough junk to it (but not enough junk for most irc servers to kick you off) | 22:55 |
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| Tadthebuilder | ah | 22:56 |
| Tadthebuilder | kinetic scrolling is cool then | 22:56 |
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| raim0_ | is there some easy way to configure n810 to go to standby when I slide in the keyboard? | 22:58 |
| raim0_ | and then come back when I slide it out | 22:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | slidelock | 22:58 |
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| lbt_ | lcuk: you there? | 23:03 |
| Tadthebuilder | so was maemo summit profitable for those of you that went? | 23:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | By the way, lbt_, did the ping timeout? ;) | 23:04 |
| lbt_ | mmm I think so... Maemo Security Talk IIRC | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | and the free n900 helps | 23:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah | 23:05 |
| Firebird | free? I thought they were loans | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, free loaners. | 23:06 |
| lbt_ | Firebird they are loans and don't let anyone tell you different | 23:06 |
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| Tadthebuilder | its still a free n900 for what 4 months? | 23:07 |
| ShadowJK | I hope this doesn't mean Nokia is secretly estimating 4 months until enough N900 units are available </conspiracy> | 23:08 |
| Tadthebuilder | im just hoping they sell the loaners as cheap refurbished unites | 23:08 |
| Tadthebuilder | units* | 23:08 |
| Xisdibik | or maybe they forget to ask for them back? ;) | 23:08 |
| Tadthebuilder | I would not like that...haha | 23:09 |
| Xisdibik | lol why | 23:09 |
| Tadthebuilder | well | 23:09 |
| Xisdibik | ah, i take it you dont have one of them? | 23:09 |
| Tadthebuilder | its fine if they forget | 23:09 |
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| Tadthebuilder | as long as if they remembered they were not going to sell them for cheap | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jealously is an ugly color, Tadthebuilder. :D | 23:09 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 23:09 |
| Xisdibik | haha | 23:09 |
| Tadthebuilder | :) | 23:09 |
| Tadthebuilder | im just kidding | 23:09 |
| Xisdibik | has anyone heard any news on the official release? | 23:09 |
| Tadthebuilder | i hope everyone keeps their n900's forever | 23:09 |
| Tadthebuilder | and they work really well | 23:09 |
| Tadthebuilder | and never mess up | 23:09 |
| Tadthebuilder | and I also hope that someone throws one at me in a violent rage and I isntead of pressing charges of assault keep it | 23:10 |
| Xisdibik | thats my plan Tadthebuilder, when I get mummified, i plan to have mine with me in my tomb | 23:10 |
| RST38h | What if you are due for cremation? | 23:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | We'll know by him sharing it on Twitter, using Mauku | 23:12 |
| Xisdibik | RST38h, ive already told the loved ones around me i wish to be buried | 23:13 |
| Xisdibik | you never see cremated zombies, nor frozen ones | 23:13 |
| Tadthebuilder | i have no wishes for my body when I die...ill be dead. | 23:13 |
| Tadthebuilder | hmm | 23:13 |
| Tadthebuilder | good point | 23:13 |
| Xisdibik | and mummies must be mummafied | 23:14 |
| Xisdibik | mummies > zombies in terms of undead power | 23:14 |
| Xisdibik | :D | 23:14 |
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| Tadthebuilder | that might make a good movie | 23:15 |
| Tadthebuilder | zombies vs mummies | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 23:15 |
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| Tadthebuilder | i see massive amounts of n900 product placement potential | 23:19 |
| Stskeeps | hobos with tablets | 23:19 |
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| jaska | hoblet | 23:20 |
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| JamieBennett | Anyone else in the room at the CELF conference tomorrow? | 23:22 |
| Proteous | Tadthebuilder: the mummies vs zombies movie is out there... | 23:23 |
| Proteous | along with mummies vs ninjas | 23:23 |
| Proteous | zombies vs pirates | 23:23 |
| Proteous | pirates vs mummies | 23:23 |
| Proteous | pirates vs ninjas | 23:23 |
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| Xisdibik | I think the network split, but thats just me ;) | 23:26 |
| SpeedEvil | could be. | 23:26 |
| lardman | re | 23:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Or they all just got n900s delivered. | 23:26 |
| javispedro | orwell vs freenode | 23:26 |
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| lardman | hmm, despite the split, quite a few online | 23:27 |
| javispedro | hiyo lardman | 23:27 |
| lardman | hey javispedro | 23:27 |
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| Xisdibik | in all honesty SpeedEvil, if my N900 was delivered, i wouldnt even waste time signing off IRC ;) | 23:27 |
| gnuton | javispedro: I checked your last update and it works nicely now.. | 23:27 |
| javispedro | you'd let it timeout :) | 23:27 |
| javispedro | gnuton: ah, .zip files. yes, I touched quite a few things. | 23:27 |
| JamieBennett | lardman: thank for sending the video, I'll get to work on it at the weekend | 23:28 |
| jysky | if i had mine n900 i most certanly would irc with it | 23:28 |
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| lardman | JamieBennett: he lives! | 23:28 |
| JamieBennett | :) just | 23:28 |
| gnuton | javispedro: Just one thing.. what about using HildonStackedWindows? | 23:28 |
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| javispedro | gnuton: btw, it'll use the largest file on the .zip file as "rom". | 23:28 |
| Xisdibik | jysky, of course, we all will, but would u bother signing off IRC on your computer before leaving to go open your n900? i think not :) | 23:28 |
| JamieBennett | Not long got here, 10:30 hr trip! | 23:28 |
| lardman | JamieBennett: np, serious cursing this morning trying to get anything from laptop to desktop (with DVD burner) | 23:28 |
| javispedro | gnuton: for the controls dialog? | 23:28 |
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| gnuton | javispedro: for control dialogs and the emulator windows itself. | 23:29 |
| javispedro | actually, the emulator is another process. | 23:29 |
| gnuton | javispedro: you have just to set the correct XAtoms.. i | 23:29 |
| JamieBennett | lardman: You could of put it on your n900 and I would of borrowed it (then ebay'd it ;)) | 23:29 |
| jysky | Xisdibik, i don't understand signing of irc on my computer, you mean the time all electricity is gone? | 23:29 |
| gnuton | javispedro: mmm ok | 23:29 |
| lardman | JamieBennett: I lost your number when I did an impulse upgrade to the latest flash image, doh! | 23:29 |
| javispedro | gnuton: i plan to do like the other fremantle games and just a hardcoded "back" button there. | 23:29 |
| javispedro | s/just/just draw | 23:30 |
| lardman | JamieBennett: didn't think of that, it was on there | 23:30 |
| JamieBennett | lardman: I'm easy to get hold of :) | 23:30 |
| gnuton | javispedro: ok, btw what is crap now.. are the buttons.. :( | 23:30 |
| javispedro | hardware buttons? | 23:30 |
| lardman | JamieBennett: but mine has no N900 on it, collectors' edition ;) | 23:30 |
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| gnuton | javispedro: it's difficult to play to Super street fighter whit N900 buttons.. :( | 23:30 |
| JamieBennett | larman: (cheap Chinese knock-off then) | 23:30 |
| Xisdibik | jysky, no, i mean if your n900 came, you would stop anything you were doing to go open it and use it :) | 23:30 |
| javispedro | gnuton: ah well. even worse than n810? :( | 23:30 |
| lardman | JamieBennett: yes, zerojayN900 did a good job tweeting you I understand :) | 23:31 |
| gnuton | javispedro: yes | 23:31 |
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| jysky | Xisdibik, naturally :) | 23:31 |
| lardman | JamieBennett: you in France now then? | 23:31 |
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| jysky | btw. any news about n900 shipment date? | 23:31 |
| gnuton | javispedro: pressing right + up in N810 was more simple | 23:31 |
| JamieBennett | lardman: In the bar paying £7 a pint :( | 23:31 |
| gnuton | javispedro: (for example) | 23:31 |
| javispedro | gnuton: oh, I feared that :( | 23:31 |
| JamieBennett | lardman: zerojay did what? | 23:31 |
| lardman | JamieBennett: ouch! | 23:32 |
| lardman | JamieBennett: he said he was going to tweet you to ask for your mobile # | 23:32 |
| zemm | that "singing off irc" thing is almost as oldfashioned as using multiple clients on separate machines ;-F | 23:32 |
| Xisdibik | jysky, if you find out, let me know :) | 23:32 |
| lardman | JamieBennett: switch to wine, should be cheaper! | 23:32 |
| JamieBennett | ah, I haven't been on twitter whist in transit | 23:32 |
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| lardman | oh right, how come the sms then? | 23:32 |
| t_s_o | hmm, wifi direct and rumors of a N920, things happen it seems | 23:33 |
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| javispedro | "wifi direct"? | 23:33 |
| lardman | wb GeneralAntilles | 23:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is that a term for GSM over wifi roaming? | 23:33 |
| JamieBennett | lardman: yep, zerojay tweet (email is easier :)) | 23:34 |
| jysky | why can't nokia be like apple when releasing products. why is it that they all ways say "we have this awesome new gadget. BUT you can't get it till next year" | 23:34 |
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| Mek | and to be like apple would be to just not mention it at all until next year? | 23:34 |
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| frals | wifi direct is the wifi version of bt pan | 23:34 |
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| frals | ie p2p | 23:34 |
| lardman | true, just thought email would be more difficult than sms, but then I didn't reckon on the wonders of the N900! | 23:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, those creepers on the other side of that split | 23:34 |
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| javispedro | frals: it's called adhoc. | 23:34 |
| lcuk | or break the legs of people who do mention it | 23:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Agh! They're back. | 23:35 |
| jysky | Mek, well i would like it much more that when they release device i can go show and buy it | 23:35 |
| * GeneralAntilles hides. | 23:35 | |
| jysky | not wait till next year | 23:35 |
| * lcuk uses wifi and multicast | 23:35 | |
| frals | javispedro: its a new standard for doing pretty much that | 23:35 |
| t_s_o | frals: i hope its more then that if they plan to fully replace bluetooth | 23:35 |
| Shapeshifter | I don't see in what respect any n900 follower would be significantly better/different. | 23:35 |
| frals | what ive read about it, anyway | 23:35 |
| Shapeshifter | except more speed and all that | 23:35 |
| Shapeshifter | smaller | 23:35 |
| Shapeshifter | etc. | 23:35 |
| ali1234 | keyboardless? | 23:35 |
| Shapeshifter | ali1234: that would be horrible | 23:35 |
| Shapeshifter | hope not. | 23:35 |
| zemm | jysky: saunalahti's forums say that they will be receiving small shipment in week 44 or 45 for those who preordered first | 23:35 |
| Myrtti | jysky: have a cookie and enjoy life | 23:35 |
| javispedro | frals: lol, and who is reiventing the wheel this time? apple? | 23:35 |
| ali1234 | it would not necessarily be better, but it would be significantly different | 23:36 |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter, not horrible, just different | 23:36 |
| Xisdibik | zemm, what week are we in now :) | 23:36 |
| zemm | 42 | 23:36 |
| jysky | zemm, darn, i preordered from verkkokauppa | 23:36 |
| frals | "WI-FI ALLIANCE® ANNOUNCES GROUNDBREAKING SPECIFICATION | 23:36 |
| frals | TO SUPPORT DIRECT WI-FI CONNECTIONS BETWEEN DEVICES | 23:36 |
| frals | ops, multiline, sorry about that | 23:36 |
| Myrtti | which is probably when they'll get a small shipment as well | 23:36 |
| javispedro | ............... | 23:36 |
| lcuk | frals, mmm i do that now | 23:36 |
| lcuk | i did it with adhoc for ages | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | frals: that's adhoc? :P | 23:37 |
| lcuk | i can even do it with hotel wifi | 23:37 |
| jysky | Myrtti, i'm not counting on that :D | 23:37 |
| frals | http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/14/wi-fi-direct-enabling-p2p-communications-amongst-wifi-wares-sca/ | 23:37 |
| Tadthebuilder | whats new about that? | 23:37 |
| Shapeshifter | hasn't ad-hoc been possible for a loooong time? | 23:37 |
| javispedro | Wi-Fi Alliance wants to get up in the marketing bandwagon. | 23:37 |
| VRe | p2p wifi, just wait for RIAA to come knockin on ur door :) | 23:37 |
| javispedro | and they even say that the "standard was previously named WIFi peer to peer". no mention of adhoc. | 23:38 |
| frals | no idea what the diff with adhoc is but yeah... | 23:38 |
| Tadthebuilder | i wonder if the wi-fi alliance demands to be taken seriously | 23:38 |
| lcuk | what would be good is maintaining connection to 3g, but using wifi chipset for adhoc too | 23:38 |
| lcuk | but i dont know if the hardware supports | 23:38 |
| JamieBennett | anyone wishing for a thinner and lighter n900 with no keyboard or am I mad? | 23:38 |
| lbt_ | so, gestures... | 23:38 |
| SpeedEvil | wifi and 3g are completely seperate | 23:38 |
| lcuk | .|.. to gestures | 23:38 |
| javispedro | frals: for a start I'd guess "standarized" way of doing WPA2. | 23:38 |
| lcuk | they get in the way of real work | 23:39 |
| ali1234 | bluetooth is already p2p and much much better | 23:39 |
| lbt_ | lcuk: the man I wanted | 23:39 |
| lcuk | or limit what real work can be done | 23:39 |
| Flyser_ | JamieBennett: mad | 23:39 |
| lbt_ | new kind of gesture | 23:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, ping? | 23:39 |
| proberts_ | JamieBennett: I think there's a "Nokla" N900 that fits that description ;) | 23:39 |
| lbt_ | you know sometimes you listen to music | 23:39 |
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| lbt_ | and it's a PITA to get it out of your pocket to pause | 23:39 |
| lcuk | lbt, any gesture that overlays actual content increases the risk of incorrectly actioning things | 23:39 |
| lbt_ | double tap it | 23:39 |
| lbt_ | accelerometer gesture | 23:40 |
| lcuk | which leads to iphone tick as people go back and try again | 23:40 |
| JamieBennett | proberts: that wouldn't be the n800 would it? | 23:40 |
| JamieBennett | I want the n900 with better hardware | 23:40 |
| lcuk | lbt, shake2control | 23:40 |
| lbt_ | double tap pauses music | 23:40 |
| lcuk | samppa has it for mafw now | 23:40 |
| lbt_ | double tap un pauses it | 23:40 |
| lcuk | its a widget | 23:40 |
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| proberts_ | JamieBennett: Could be the Nokla N800 with an "N900" sticker :P | 23:40 |
| lbt_ | just patting my coat pocket | 23:40 |
| lbt_ | should send a "double pat" dbus signal | 23:41 |
| VRe | WLAN/bluetooth/etc.. between two nodes its not hard but if there a network its bit more complicated as all devices have to take part in routing. Also less business for accesspooints.. | 23:41 |
| lcuk | on the railtracks clickity click clickity click | 23:41 |
| ali1234 | i've got an n800 here, it's much bigger and heavier than the n900 | 23:41 |
| proberts_ | JamieBennett: make in "Fineland" :P | 23:41 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: lol | 23:41 |
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| JamieBennett | lol | 23:41 |
| lbt_ | lcuk: that's why I need you to recognise the gesture | 23:41 |
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| VRe | JamieBennett: I compared it to my phone today, n900 is bit fat but I rather have keyboard still. I think the n1000 or what ever will the be the slim bigger brother | 23:42 |
| JamieBennett | GeneralAntilles: Don't feed the animals! | 23:42 |
| JamieBennett | VRe: I'm coming from the iPhone so as a phone I'm really disappointed :( | 23:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | JamieBennett, oh, please. :P | 23:43 |
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| Xisdibik | hey, let him feed me im hungry | 23:43 |
| JamieBennett | Even my MDA Vario III was slimmer and that was a pig | 23:43 |
| ali1234 | compared to my previous phone n900 is exactly the same width x height and about 60% of the thickness | 23:43 |
| VRe | I have grown to dislike onscreen keyboards | 23:43 |
| javispedro | :( I login into Amazon and my book suggestions are all iphone books :( | 23:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, you gonna libnotify up XChat? | 23:43 |
| jysky | i've never understood what's so special about iPhone. to me it's just expensive toy | 23:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: I've got other stuff ATM | 23:43 |
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| lardman | VRe: be careful, someone will direct lightening your way with that sort of talk ;) | 23:44 |
| lardman | s/lightening/lightning | 23:44 |
| lardman | doh! | 23:44 |
| VRe | Well, 770, n800 and iphone all suck in that | 23:44 |
| Xisdibik | javispedro: all my amazon.com suggestions are for the kindle I bought my mom for her bday. | 23:44 |
| JamieBennett | VRe: I can out-type anyone with an n900 on the iPhone in landscape mode! | 23:44 |
| javispedro | Xisdibik: but I didn't buy an iPhone! | 23:44 |
| ali1234 | did anyone else notice the typo on the gupnp slides, "lightning control"? now that would be a really awesome feature... | 23:45 |
| lcuk | and i can make understandable notes faster than you JamieBennett :P | 23:45 |
| Xisdibik | JamieBennett: but can you out type a japanese person on a normal number pad? I think not! | 23:45 |
| lardman | lcuk: he can't type, that's not fair | 23:45 |
| Corsac | ahaha | 23:45 |
| Corsac | ali1234: do want! | 23:45 |
| zeenix | ali1234: there was a typo? | 23:45 |
| proberts_ | jysky: 'i' part is great (UX) ('phone' part is terrible) | 23:45 |
| Corsac | a railgun! | 23:45 |
| * lcuk cant tpye either | 23:45 | |
| jysky | petteri, :) | 23:45 |
| jysky | oh | 23:45 |
| Corsac | dyslexics haev mroe fnu | 23:45 |
| jysky | proberts_, :D | 23:45 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: They know your true allegiance is to the iPhone. Traitor. | 23:46 |
| * Xisdibik starts making a stake to burn javispedro at ;) | 23:46 | |
| zeenix | ali1234: iirc i mentioned it as an example :) | 23:46 |
| Xisdibik | grab the matches qwerty12_N810 | 23:46 |
| JamieBennett | and I can stand on my head and recite the national anthem of Tunisia too, backwards ner-ner-n-ner-ner | 23:46 |
| zeenix | ali1234: to explain what UPnP is | 23:46 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Xisdibik: Yessir | 23:46 |
| lcuk | javis is just happy the "101 uses for your midget" book has finally gone from his recommends list | 23:46 |
| * qwerty12_N810 gets some petrol | 23:46 | |
| VRe | I just wonder as the device is so fat, so in my pocket .. will the girls like :) | 23:46 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: what? but I pay the daily tributes to the Maemo gods! | 23:46 |
| JamieBennett | VRe: Depends on which pocket | 23:47 |
| ali1234 | zeenix: sure, but lighting control != lightning control :) | 23:47 |
| zeenix | ali1234: but if you want lightning control on your device, gupnp-network-light should be pretty easy to build for n900 | 23:47 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Pay? You steal the tributes paid by others and pay Jobs himself | 23:47 |
| zeenix | ah :) | 23:47 |
| VRe | JamieBennett: I think there is niche people for both sides | 23:47 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Urgh, a fucking iPhone advert was just on TV | 23:47 |
| zeenix | ali1234: english ain't my first language :( | 23:47 |
| RST38h | what name do I give to pkg-config to configure for dbus? | 23:48 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Annoying prick speaking, annoying music, annoying phone... fuck off | 23:48 |
| * javispedro buys one of the iphone books: "How to cook forty iPhone users" | 23:48 | |
| * proberts_ thinks there's a little dust on that book, no? | 23:48 | |
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| JamieBennett | VRe: I'm not knocking the n900 and every comment I make on email, irc or any other media I say its not for *me* and that mainly to do with the current hardware. | 23:48 |
| javispedro | RST38h: tried the usual dbus-1, libdbus-1 ... ? | 23:49 |
| JamieBennett | VRe: Maemo will have other hardware. | 23:49 |
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| javispedro | ow wow, 383 users on this channel | 23:49 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Get off. 381 is a nicer number | 23:49 |
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| proberts_ | JamieBennett: N900 is a beta device IMO... normally a company would build a bunch of close-enough protos and give them to developers and influencers to build the library and debug the UX for the official device, but Nokia has enough devs and early adopters they can sell it. | 23:50 |
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| aSIMULAter | lul | 23:50 |
| prometoys | its so frustrating, I'm really looking for already reported bugs but still producing duplicates :( | 23:51 |
| VRe | JamieBennett: half of the thickness and it would be sizewise total winner - but is any other device with same hardware slimmer? | 23:51 |
| qwerty12_N810 | iPhoneUser381: Evidence of your treachery! | 23:51 |
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| aSIMULAter | the phone isn't even that big imo. how small are you people's pockets? | 23:51 |
| JamieBennett | proberts_: I've been there since the 770 so I know a beta device or two. The n900 is a major push for them, hell, advert on bus stops, free upgrades on contract. This is a big thing for them | 23:51 |
| qwerty12_N810 | aSIMULAter: Agreed | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | seems like a lot of people wear very tight pants | 23:52 |
| GAN900 | aSIMULAter, amen! | 23:52 |
| proberts_ | hot pants, baby - hot pants :P | 23:52 |
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| GAN900 | Stskeeps, indeed. | 23:52 |
| aSIMULAter | dude i'm like 5'2" probably the smallest person in here and i haven't complained about the size at all | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | i guess n900 wouldn't be for the napoleon dynamite type of guy | 23:52 |
| aSIMULAter | remember hte 3210? i remember when that was ooh wow such a small phone! | 23:52 |
| SpeedEvil | half the thickness and pull off hte keyboard, and it'd just about be doable. | 23:52 |
| aSIMULAter | and that fit in my pocket | 23:52 |
| JamieBennett | aSIMULAter: Its not the pant issue (I keep my phone in my bag) its the clunkyness when you use it | 23:52 |
| aSIMULAter | to each their own i guess, i think it's a solid device | 23:52 |
| SpeedEvil | but without the keyb... | 23:52 |
| GAN900 | This aint the 80s. Wear real clothers. :P | 23:52 |
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| JamieBennett | indeed | 23:53 |
| aSIMULAter | thank spaghetti monster for the keyboard though | 23:53 |
| lardman | anyone know if I need to free the pointer I get from g_value_get_string() ? | 23:53 |
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| VRe | JamieBennett: me too, my internal hacker went bonkers with 770.. but it was just and promise then | 23:53 |
| GAN900 | JamieBennett, er, clunkyness? | 23:53 |
| proberts_ | GAN900: If this was the 80's, you would have plenty of room in your parachute pants for an N900. | 23:53 |
| lcuk | the UI does need the official keyboard slider noise making when you slide it out | 23:54 |
| GAN900 | JamieBennett, that just sounds silly, quite hinestly. | 23:54 |
| JamieBennett | GAN900: Its too big in the hand (ooh err!) | 23:54 |
| aSIMULAter | why though? if you slide out hte keyboard you already heard hte noise :P | 23:54 |
| GAN900 | Oh, small hands? | 23:54 |
| JamieBennett | GAN900: I'm 6 feet 4", not small hands | 23:54 |
| aSIMULAter | ugh grammar mistakes, i think thsi means sleep | 23:54 |
| GAN900 | Fits in my hands just fine. | 23:54 |
| GAN900 | HTE really needs to be a mobile electronics brand. | 23:55 |
| lardman | he is quite tall | 23:55 |
| JamieBennett | GAN900: You can't use it one handed, keyboard open its not balanced for me, but hey, this may be just me. | 23:55 |
| prometoys | how can I test if the accelerometer on my N900 is working? | 23:55 |
| aSIMULAter | go into images | 23:55 |
| prometoys | conboy starts sometimes in portrait mode | 23:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | prometoys: Eyes Widget! | 23:55 |
| prometoys | qwerty12_N810: thx, | 23:55 |
| aSIMULAter | turn device | 23:55 |
| aSIMULAter | call | 23:55 |
| aSIMULAter | play bounce | 23:56 |
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| aSIMULAter | use that light saber app in extrasdevel | 23:56 |
| aSIMULAter | throw it at a kitten | 23:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | prometoys: It should be in Extras; install it and watch the eyes move as you turn :) | 23:56 |
| prometoys | aSIMULAter: turn phone for call doesnt work, but bounce | 23:56 |
| * GAN900 spent 5 minutes trying to get the eyes widget to see my taps. . . . | 23:56 | |
| aSIMULAter | prometoys: you need to activate it, go into the call application, press on the view menu | 23:56 |
| aSIMULAter | there should be a rotation setting button | 23:56 |
| JamieBennett | prometoys: install bounce? | 23:56 |
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| prometoys | JamieBennett: I can play bounce | 23:57 |
| aSIMULAter | call app -- view menu -- turning control | 23:57 |
| JamieBennett | prometoys: then it works | 23:57 |
| lardman | the answer, for those listening, is "probably not" (depending on whether I now get a SEGFAULT) | 23:58 |
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| lardman | the bad news is that adding my barcode processing code to an idle thread hasn't really sorted the problem out | 23:59 |
| GAN900 | On a completely unrelated not, Ocean Spray finally took HFC out of their cranberry juice. | 23:59 |
| lardman | at least now I can press the X in the corner, but the rest of the UI is still locked | 23:59 |
| prometoys | ok, accelerometer works. thanks to everybody | 23:59 |
| lardman | any other ideas? | 23:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lardman: give up | 23:59 |
| lardman | never! | 23:59 |
| prometoys | does anybody has problems with conboy and portrait/landscape mode recognition? | 23:59 |
| JamieBennett | lardman, whats the problem, sorry butting in late | 23:59 |
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