IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2009-05-03

AStormthe unit is m, with SI prefix it's km00:00
timeless_mbpthanks, note that i added options to get an answer about the lack of a space before the unit00:00
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* timeless_mbp doesn't care about spelling here00:00
AStormor in other words, 3.2808399 ft00:01
AStorm* 100000:01
timeless_mbpiow, localizer = braindead00:01
AStormhaha, now, convert that to miles for fun and profit00:01
AStorm0.621371192 miles, US I think.00:01
AStormthat's 1 km00:02
AStormyes, imperial units *are* braindead00:02
AStormthere's one SI unit I like - it's a barn.00:02
timeless_mbpwell, this was clearly a braindead localiser (i.e. someone failing to impersonate British)00:03
timeless_mbpsince the localiser failed to include the obligatory space in a metric unit :)00:03
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* lcuk wouldnt put one either lol00:04
timeless_mbpyeah, that's a different story00:04
timeless_mbpi'd personally expect x m instead00:04
timeless_mbpbut that's a coder/ui-spec bug00:05
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AStormactually, barn is USAnian unit ;)00:05
AStormI recommend everyone to measure in yottabarns00:07
AStormheck, I'll even make that an optional unit in my hwr00:07
AStorm(for an area, of course)00:09
AStormhm, wrong, too large00:10
AStormonly need zettabarns00:10
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AStormStskeeps, hmm, found a "feature" in application manager00:13
AStormit now doesn't want to go back to the category selector00:14
AStormmaybe there are now only 3 apps to show or sth00:14
Stskeepsyeah - there's a block somewhere00:18
Stskeepsit'll hopefully go away in the HAM update from fremantle00:18
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AStormbtw, who does adv. backlight? I'd like an option to only dim the screen w/o turning it off00:30
AStorm(on same timeout)00:30
AStormrm_you, pingy00:30
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Stskeepsand the problem is actually in DSME :P00:30
AStormaw shucks ;)00:30
Stskeepswe're going to work on putting it through HAL and powerlaunch magic00:30
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AStormI know HAL, but not Powerlaunch... guess I'll have to learn00:30
Stskeepspowerlaunch is basically a event-reaction scripting language00:31
Stskeepshas a bit weird syntax but it makes sense00:31
AStormok, so you say, throw this away and redo it in something sane? later ;)00:33
AStormwe need better-optimized byte-compiled language00:34
AStormno, not Perl.00:34
Stskeepswell, considering the fact it's a lot of tiny recipes, i've actually had trouble coming up with something saner than powerlaunch00:34
Stskeepsand that's scary00:34
AStormtiny things like "on x do y" event system00:35
Stskeepsbasically, but there's also mode changes in it00:35
Stskeepsso "push all events towards X module instead"00:35
AStormso it's a stateful event-based system. duh00:35
Stskeepsand yes00:35
AStormouch, wait, then it's a broken split event system00:35
Stskeepswell it makes sense though00:36
Stskeepswhen you have clicked power button, action/response is different00:36
lcukyou can take many broken pieces and put them together into something that works00:36
AStormsometimes, somewhat :)00:36
AStormassuming the API is good00:36
AStormI recommend bash00:36
AStormdo it "the POSIX way"00:36
lcukbut the cost/benefit/time of redoing everything the sticky tape solution manages is what makes things tough00:36
Stskeepsexcept bash is a memory and cpu hungry bastard :P00:36
AStormmemory, maybe, cpu, not really00:37
Stskeepspowerlaunch comes with glade, dbus, etc support00:37
Stskeepsand is fairly lightweight00:37
AStormdbus-monitor? glade means start another app00:37
Stskeepseh, no, it does it within powerlaunch00:37
Stskeepstake a look at it, i'm glad to hear proposals for better stuff :)00:37
AStormwhich adds to my idea of a broken Piece of Software00:38
Stskeepsi wanted to replace it too initially00:38
Stskeepsalso keep in mind launcing another app is not always the answer on a n8x0 if it's to feel slightly interactive :P00:38
AStormheck, you could use advanced variant of Xdialog and still have better UI00:38
Stskeepssure - powerlaunch ui is just how it is to look like the typical power button ui. but the point of PL isn't the power button ui, it's the behaviour of tablet stuff :)00:39
Stskeepsit's a generic event-reaction daemon, which is really useful to have :P00:39
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Stskeepsit can implement a lot of the behaviours of a tablet, without having to resort to several daemon processes00:40
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AStormit's so generic, you can replace it with bash™00:40
johnxand without having to run shell scripts on events00:41
AStorms/bash/insert any scripted language here/00:41
infobotAStorm meant: it's so generic, you can replace it with insert any scripted language here™00:41
AStorminfobot, failure.00:41
infobotsomebody said failure was always an option, or
AStormfor this bot, it is.00:41
StskeepsAStorm: yeah.. just don't resort to bash as the solution, because that's rather insane :P00:41
johnxwe actually had that on the zaurus and it creates noticeable lag on screen rotation00:41
AStormbecause you don't have a.... bash daemon00:42
AStormyes, real bash uses named pipes.00:42
AStormwhy pay to start it up every time00:42
johnxhow about at least a dash daemon00:42
johnxkeep in mind, some of these machines will have 64MB of RAM00:43
AStormwell, POSIX shell.00:43
AStormor at least, 95% POSIX.00:43
johnxok, that sounds better already :)00:43
AStormnot the broken cut busybox shell00:43
AStormnext step is an Xdialog daemon00:44
Macerlong day today. need to rest.00:44
StskeepsAStorm: anyway.. my requirement for such a language is easily understandable and stable, as in, it doesn't crash on broken scripts. someone should be able to write a recipe for certain behaviour ("press headset button while tethered => mute music") etc00:45
AStormStskeeps, ah btw, is this vim in Mer actual vim 7 with some additions?00:45
AStormStskeeps, yeah, neither shell nor powerlaunch is00:45
StskeepsAStorm: there's vim-tiny and vim i think but i think it's real vim.00:45
AStormshell can at least be made00:46
Stskeepsincluded editors for devel handiness00:46
AStormyes, you can start separated subshells w/o restarting bash00:46
AStormnot sure if POSIX sh can do that00:46
AStormyeah, someone actually wrote a httpd in bash00:47
AStormwith security.00:47
Stskeepsanyway, i'd love a powerlaunch replacement, but having a larger number of processes (including dbus-monitor, etc) and other crap running in mem, instead of a single C process with simply GTK, dbus and such,..00:47
Stskeepsis a bit insane :)00:48
luke-jr_AStorm: pretty sure that's not possible ;)00:48
Stskeepsi'd love another language too, i think powerlaunch syntax is ugly :P00:48
AStormwhich eats how much ram already? :>00:48
AStormluke-jr_, it is00:48
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AStormluke-jr_, ever heard about /dev/tcp?00:49
Stskeepsi'd love to tell you but i don't have a mer n8x0 open00:49
luke-jr_AStorm: yeah, but how do you listen?00:49
AStormI do.00:49
StskeepsAStorm: and with maemo-launcher it's a hell lot less memory00:49
AStormluke-jr_, same :)00:49
AStormyou cat a port00:49
StskeepsAStorm: then give me a hint on the memory size of bash vs powerlaunch :P00:49
AStormbut I'd rather have inetd running than this00:50
luke-jr_AStorm: eh?00:50
luke-jr_AStorm: oh, leave out the IP part?00:50
AStormhmm, nah, you need bash 4 for this00:50
luke-jr_AStorm: what is the path used?00:50
luke-jr_how can it differentiate between connect and listen?00:51
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AStormluke-jr_, because of using a pure . for listen00:52
luke-jr_a what?00:52
AStorm /dev/tcp/./port00:52
AStormthat listens on all interfaces00:52
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luke-jr_i c00:52
luke-jr_what if I want to bind a specific IP? ;)00:52
AStormnot sure how.00:52
AStormstill, there's netcat00:52
luke-jr_netcat isn't bash00:53
AStormyeah, but close enough00:53
* johnx has difficulty that this will take up less memory than powerlaunch (but would love to be proven wrong)00:53
johnxs/ty th/ty believing th/00:53
AStormStskeeps, hey, I installed the apps and they didn't show up in the menu00:53
johnxAStorm, which apps?00:54
AStormah, not just Organize is broken00:54
AStormalso the install part of selecting the place00:54
AStormall got dumped into Extras despite other choices00:54
Stskeepsokay, so 1.4% of one bash instance and 5.0% of powerlaunch00:55
Stskeepspowerlaunch needs maemo-launcher though.00:55
Stskeepsaanyway. i'm off to bed00:56
Stskeepsconsidering how much crap powerlaunch keeps track of however..00:57
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* GeneralAntilles comes home, looks at itT and gets depressed.01:07
GeneralAntillesWow, those wiki places screenshots look a lot like Maemo 5, don't they?01:09
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timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: except for being a bad photoshop job (see scrollback)01:10
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, ah.01:11
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, how do I clone MXR by the way?01:11
timeless_mbphg clone; hg clone;01:11
timeless_mbpthe former is just branding01:11
* xnt now F*cking Hates PulseAudio...01:11
timeless_mbpthe latter is the code01:11
timeless_mbpxnt: this isn't #twitter01:12
GeneralAntillesabort: repository not found! abort: repository not found!01:12
timeless_mbpdid you include http: :)01:12
xntsorry, just wanted to vent my anger somewhere :P01:12
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: sorry, it's 1am and i haven't had dinner/lunch01:13
timeless_mbpi think if you add http:// it should work :)01:13
xntWHAT? that was shopped?01:13
GeneralAntillesabort: '' does not appear to be an hg repository! destination directory: mxr-test real URL is abort: '' does not appear to be an hg repository!01:13
timeless_mbpok, or not :)01:13
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, no worries, trying to find something more productive to do than watch the spirally, flaming descent of itT orchestrated by a bunch of angry trolls.01:14
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xnttimeless_mbp: your right :(01:15
ShadowJK_nxdomain here too :(01:15
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xnttimeless_mbp: wtf, they actually have a #twitter channel?01:15
timeless_mbpxnt: i so don't want to know :)01:16
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, waiting on Nokia to change the DNS. Not sure if they have it's propagating or if they've just been ignoring us.01:16
timeless_mbpok, try that instead01:18
timeless_mbpi probably don't have .htaccess in a .hg sharing mood01:18
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johnxGeneralAntilles, eh, pretty sure it will all blow over. Eventually even the people who don't like the new theme will get tired of listening to the trolls complaining :)01:21
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GeneralAntillesjohnx, hopefully, but it's more . . . angry than these sorts of things have been in the past.01:21
johnxmore people = more angry01:21
GeneralAntillesThere's a lot more "we hate" tied up in the whole thing.01:21
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johnxeh, I think they'll get used to it or go away eventually. or that's what I hope01:22
GeneralAntillesSeveral of them I'd rather see gone, true.01:24
GeneralAntillesIn the mean time, though, I'm worried that they're doing a lot of damage.01:24
johnxI think a lot of people are just avoiding those threads. I know I am01:24
GeneralAntillesThe whole Maemo School thing is rather depressing, too.01:27
luke-jr_honestly, I like the brighter colours, just the implementation annoys me01:27
johnxGeneralAntilles, I would like to see that go somewhere, but that's another thread I don't have the energy to follow.01:28
GeneralAntillesI would, too, but I'd rather NOT see time and energy spent creating a custom solution when there's a perfectly usable wiki that fulfills all of the technical requirements running right now.01:28
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johnxhi NCommander01:29
GeneralAntillesAlso, I don't really love the whole "only one editor" idea.01:29
NCommanderjohnx, how goes it?01:29
GeneralAntillesIt sort of goes against the spirit of
johnxGeneralAntilles, it's funny that some people want a more community feel and some people want more hand holding01:29
johnxNCommander, well enough. kinda busy. and you?01:30
NCommanderjohnx, just ran into the OS2008 bug with external keyboard (yay LAG! :-/)01:30
ShadowJK_yay lag?01:31
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johnxdid you disable all the predictive text stuff?01:31
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NCommanderjohnx, trying to find them all :-/01:31
NCommanderjohnx, I'm told though even with all of them off, there is still a resudial lag.01:31
johnxinput -> dictionaries01:31
* ShadowJK_ thought the initial lag was just due to bluetooth powersaving :-)01:31
johnxthere is some even with a usb keyboard. it's mostly high CPU requirements I think01:31
johnxdunno why01:31
NCommanderjohnx, I used to use an internal keyboard on a Palm III, which had an 8Mhz processor01:32
NCommanderIf the N810 can't drive one, I would be *greatly* disturbed :-)01:32
johnxand most of the OS for the palm III was probably written in assembly :)01:33
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NCommanderjohnx, point taken01:33
NCommanderjohnx, no love01:33
NCommanderThe process keeps spiking everytime I type01:33
johnxgtk is in some ways a bit heavy for this, especially input into a browser suffers for me01:33
* NCommander notes Qt is as bad or worse01:33
johnxtry switching to performance mode?01:33
NCommanderwhere's the switch?01:34
* NCommander is fairly new to the N810 as a PDA01:34
johnxit's a command line thing :)01:34
NCommanderah, right at home there01:34
lcukor a liqbase thing :P01:34
GeneralAntillesOr adv-power.01:34
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AStorm"106. I do not have weapon proficiency in cat." :D01:35
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AStormoh, btw, what do I have to do to install adv. power on mer?01:35
AStormwhich repo(s) to add?01:35
NCommanderjohnx, I'm fairly sure its a OS2008 issue :-/01:37
johnxwell, adv power is up here:
ShadowJK_the hw keyboard on N810 suffers no lag ime?01:37
johnxno ideas about bt keyboards other than that...01:37
NCommanderShadowJK_, I might not be able to type fast enough to trigger it01:39
NCommanderI know hildon does some weird things with Gtk input01:39
AStormShadowJK_, yes, it doesn't01:43
AStormtested that, I can type fairly fast on this01:43
ShadowJK_I can type even faster on bluetooth keyboard because the keys are nicer01:45
ShadowJK_But the first keystroke after a pause takes ages to register, I always assumed it was waking up from powersaving slumber..01:46
* NCommander gets stutters of lag01:50
NCommanderIts completely unusable for me :-/01:50
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GeneralAntillesCan we just deploy the Debian packages application to
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AndrewFBlackI wish avatars on Talk were bigger I lose so much detail in my new one02:33
AndrewFBlackI took the time to recreate my entire n810 viewing but at 50 pixels square its hard to see02:33
GeneralAntillesAndrewFBlack, feel free to open a Newstyle enhancement request.02:33
AndrewFBlackI mean its ok everyone elses looks ok I just put to much detail into my drawning I even drew the keys out.02:34
AndrewFBlackI used real the test from maemo.orgs front page also lol02:35
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rm_youAStorm: pongy?03:58
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* AndrewFBlack is getting a headache from all the fightin on Talk04:31
GeneralAntillesAndrewFBlack, I'm just getting depressed. ;)04:31
AndrewFBlackIt wouldn't be so bad it there wasn't so many threads ask/saying the same things I don't know how many times we have to tell them no we can't just put the old theme up it doesn't work with new version of vBulletin04:33
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AndrewFBlackhave you noticed after I told people to stop complaining on my minimalist theme post no one has posted anything lol04:38
doc|workthey're being minimalist04:43
fireundamn nihilists04:46
fireuntotally different than the minimalists, of course04:47
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xnt~nuke b-man's MMC05:38
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at b-man's MMC ... B☢☢M!05:38
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b-man~nuke xnt's HDD05:41
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at xnt's HDD ... B☢☢M!05:41
* xnt is on an ssd05:41
xnt~nuke b-man's cpu05:42
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at b-man's cpu ... B☢☢M!05:42
b-man~nuke xnt's SSD05:42
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at xnt's SSD ... B☢☢M!05:42
b-man~nuke xnt's computer05:42
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at xnt's computer ... B☢☢M!05:42
* xnt gets on his eee05:42
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b-man~nuke xnt's eee05:43
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at xnt's eee ... B☢☢M!05:43
xnt_eee~kill b-man05:43
* infobot shoots a excited photon gun at b-man05:43
xnt_eee~attack b-man's body05:43
* infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing b-man's body05:43
* b-man can run when he's dead? 0o05:43
infobotLa ... lalalala ... beer!05:44
xnt_eeewtf, :P05:44
infobotyes master, I'll STFU05:45
* infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless.05:45
* infobot humps the channel05:45
* infobot strips and bends over.. give it to me baby ;)05:45
* infobot flies a F16, or
b-man~burn himself05:46
* infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze05:46
infobotxnt_eee: brb, too.  Be Right Back05:46
infobotit has been said that lol is stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead.05:46
* xnt_eee lol05:46
infoboti heard nit is Nokia Internet Tablet05:46
infobotit has been said that rofl is rolling on the floor laughing05:46
infobothmm... infobot is [infobot], or infobot, or likes abuse05:47
infobotSince Thu Apr 30 17:30:04 2009, there have been 42 modifications, 237 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 131 commands.  I have been awake for 2d 9h 17m 26s this session, and currently reference 116128 factoids.  I'm using about 21520 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 5402.81/229.91 child 0.09/0.0505:47
b-maninfobot: you suck05:48
infobotand very well I might add05:48
xnt_eee~google lol05:48
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xnt_eee~read lol05:49
xnt_eee~buy b-man05:49
infobotit has been said that help is /msg infobot help05:49
infobot[lol] stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead.05:49
infobotyes :(05:49
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b-maninfobot: your a dork05:49
infobotRight back at you, b-man.05:50
b-manf*ck you, infobot05:50
xnt_eeeinfobot: kernelstats05:50
* infobot did it for da lulz05:50
xnt_eee~attack luke-jr05:50
* infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing luke-jr05:50
* infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless.05:50
xnt_eee~stab luke-jr_05:51
* infobot runs at luke-jr_ with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut.05:51
luke-jr_b-man: xnt_eee!05:51
luke-jr_come to #anime for IRC gamez05:51
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b-manshure !!!05:51
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b-mani'm back06:22
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DavidePalmhi, does anyone use penguintv?06:41
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luke-jrb-man: hi b-mean06:55
* infobot did it for da lulz06:56
infoboti do?06:56
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b-manhello xnt aka b-mean06:57
b-man~burn b-mean06:58
* infobot pours gasoline all over b-mean, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze06:58
b-mean~attack b-man06:59
* infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing b-man06:59
b-man~nuke b-mean06:59
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at b-mean ... B☢☢M!06:59
* infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless.06:59
luke-jr]y xnt06:59
b-man~stab b-mean06:59
* infobot runs at b-mean with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut.06:59
luke-jrbot abusers07:00
b-man~stab himself07:00
* infobot runs at himself with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut.07:00
* xnt wants his own infobot07:00
infobotinfobot is, like, [infobot], or infobot, or likes abuse07:00
luke-jrmy N810 is a portable pocket warmer while it compiles GCC!07:00
b-manmine is too lol07:01
Shadow__Xwhat temps does it go upto07:01
b-man~stab everyone and everything like a mad man07:01
* infobot runs at everyone and everything like a mad man with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut.07:01
luke-jrit needs a label: CAREFUL: avoid direct skin contact while compiling code!07:01
luke-jrb-man: hurry up07:02
* infobot takes out his screw driver and screws b-mean right up07:02
b-man~screw luke-jr07:03
* infobot asks luke-jr to bend over07:03
* luke-jr charges infobot with first degree sexual assault of a child.07:03
fireunwell thats cultured07:03
GeneralAntillesOK, enough bot abuse.07:03
* xnt wants xntbot07:03
luke-jrGeneralAntilles: come play with us in #anime ? :p07:04
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xntgo to #anime07:08
b-man~screw everyone07:08
* infobot asks everyone to bend over07:08
b-manomfg lol07:09
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xnt~kill yandere07:11
* infobot shoots a ionized fluxquark gun at yandere07:11
xnti win07:12
b-man~rape yandere07:12
* infobot takes yandere behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams07:12
xntWTF :P07:13
LiraNunar.i.p #maemo07:14
GeneralAntillesb-man, enough.07:14
b-manok, i'm done :)07:14
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b-manxntbot: lol07:16
xnt(hack b-man07:16
* xntbot hacks up b-man's acer07:17
* b-man 's screen flickers07:17
* b-man sees a error message from xntbot07:18
b-manlol jk07:18
xnt(take  lm b-man07:18
* xntbot takes b-man's lunch money07:18
b-man(take lm xnt07:19
xntbotCommand Ignored07:19
xnt(buy lol07:19
xntbotLol out of stock07:19
xnt(take nt b-man07:21
* b-man downloads and installs infobot07:21
luke-jryou two better hope GeneralAntilles can't gain op ;)07:21
* xntbot rips b-man's Nokia Internet TabletTM right out of brians hands07:22
pupnikGeneralAntilles: we'll see about RX51 d-pad and buttons.  if they're not suitable for gaming, i'm finished.07:22
xntluke-jr wait does this count against my bots too?07:22
pupnikn810 is a bust in that department, unfortunately07:22
xntnokia better add that because better gpu = better games07:23
luke-jrmy N810 seems to lose wifi connection when it gets hot enough07:24
xnt( destroy /07:25
luke-jr(rm -rf /07:25
* xntbot destroys / (rm -rf /)07:25
xntbotDO NOT RUN THAT!!!07:25
luke-jrxnt: too late, why?07:25
xntlol fail07:26
luke-jrrm: cannot remove root directory `/'07:26
luke-jrxnt: it just errors07:26
xntit deletes everything07:26
luke-jrjust errors07:26
* xnt slaps his forehead07:26
Shadow__Xif you run it as user on a maemo devices07:26
b-mannot if you run rm -f /*07:26
Shadow__Xyou dont get access to root do you07:27
xntluke-jr seriously don't run that07:27
luke-jrShadow__X: -r is dangerous ;)07:27
luke-jrxnt: seriously I did07:27
luke-jrbut not on N81007:27
luke-jron desktop07:27
Shadow__X-r is recursive -f is force07:28
luke-jrand --preserve-root is nice07:28
xntbe careful with rm commands07:28
* pupnik first rm'd by accident in 198807:28
Shadow__Xluke-jr, i know what it does i also know that some repos are flaky and if you upgrade using apt it will delete your mounted share07:28
* xnt has never rm'd07:28
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GeneralAntillespupnik, just get a Pandora then help out Mer.07:29
* xnt nevers rms on his ipod07:29
xntit bricks07:29
* luke-jr rms xnt's ipod07:29
* xnt 's ipod it off (drained battery from listening to music all day07:30
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Shadow__XGeneralAntilles, whens the eta for the pandora07:33
GeneralAntillesShadow__X, maybe sometime in 2012 as far as I can tell.07:33
luke-jrpupnik: let's design our own Free software handheld? ;)07:33
luke-jrShadow__X: I think Pandora is vapourware07:33
Shadow__Xhmm but shouldnt the new tablet be better07:33
Shadow__Xfor everything other than gaming07:34
GeneralAntillesShadow__X, than?07:34
Shadow__Xpandora will be better for games07:34
Shadow__Xall the buttons07:34
GeneralAntillesDepends on the games.07:35
GeneralAntillesAccelerometers will be nice for a few of them.07:35
Shadow__Xright hmm would that give an iphone  type feel07:36
GeneralAntillesI'd really dig a marble-maze style game.07:36
pupniklike Marble Madness?07:36
pupnikmaybe a simpler one07:36
pupnikmarble madness made heavy use of trackball07:37
luke-jrGeneralAntilles: like Neverball?07:37
pupnikyou wouldn't just want to tilt to get super speed07:37
pupnikyeah neverball would be perfect07:37
luke-jrpupnik: I've played Neverball with my Thinkpad07:37
luke-jrit has accelerometers07:37
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pupnikwhich thinkpad?07:37
luke-jrI forget07:38
luke-jrit's long broken07:38
locutusalmost all thinkpads have accelerators07:38
pupniknot my t42p, a30, a21, or the 486 based ones07:38
locutusthose are ANCIENT07:38
locutusactually, t42 should have it07:40
pupnikhmm maybe u right07:40
pupnik2ghz is fast enough btw07:40
pupnikand the 14.1 form factor is much more pleasant than these big honkin notebooks07:41
pupniki mean, i need room for coffee and ashtray07:41
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DavidePalmHi, anyone have issues with penguintv not starting at all?07:42
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DavidePalmanyone know what that error could be?07:44
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* xnt has an imb thinkpad r32 :P07:48
xnt* ibm07:48
locutusi have a IBM z50 \o/07:48
locutusMIPS Thinkpad!07:48
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fireunI have a sliderule!07:49
* xnt has a TI-89 when he was in the 7th grade07:50
luke-jrBUT IS IT MIPS⁈07:50
xnt* + titanium07:50
GeneralAntillesWhich is much cooler than MIPS07:51
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luke-jrno wai07:51
* xnt had an old intel dos server as a first comp07:51
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luke-jrI was raised by a Z8007:51
xntcant recall the cpu07:51
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fireunidentity theft! alert! alarm! actung!07:57
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b-man2I CAN HAZ N80007:57
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xnt~seen b-man07:58
infobotb-man <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2m 46s ago, saying: 'wtf'.07:58
xntok ill stop07:58
* xnt14 is done07:58
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xntdamn #anime and #mer looks like crap07:59
xntlong list of nick changes07:59
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xnt14ok i really am 14 so ill take xnt1407:59
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xnt14バカ jk08:01
xnt14luke-jr is a 愚か者08:02
xnt14luke-jr did you read that?08:03
* xnt14 imagines the look on luke-jr's face when he reads that08:03
luke-jrxnt14: s/when/if/08:04
luke-jrI have no intention to08:04
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xnt14ok that didn't translate right08:05
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xnt14luke-jr doesn't come out right throgh google translate08:12
_neither does b-man08:13
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radic_where are the configurationfiles of the webbrowser located?08:13
xnt14b-homem não08:13
xnt14radic_ : /home/user/.mozilla I think08:14
xnt14b-man translate08:14
xnt14b-homem não08:14
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b-manxnt14: look at #anime lol08:16
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jmobIs it possible to get flash version 10 on the n810?08:36
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pupnikmy new samsung mp3 player runs on linux + sdl, mmuless kernel08:43
pupnikpretty cheap, slim08:43
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Stskeepsmorning kaltsi :)08:47
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timeless_mbpradic_: which "configuration files" for the web browser?09:10
timeless_mbpthe web browser ui is controlled by a couple of other files, the core is mostly in the directory previously mentioned09:10
timeless_mbpbut we also pay attn to some gconf settings09:10
radic_timeless_mbp: I solved the problem09:11
timeless_mbpjmob: if you pay adobe $$$$$$$$$$ and then work on it, sure09:11
timeless_mbpotherwise, not really09:12
Stskeepsmorning timeless_mbp09:12
timeless_mbpreally it's more like (very) late evening, but hello there :)09:12
jmobDoesnt it exist for linux?09:12
timeless_mbpfor arm?09:12
timeless_mbpcan i have whatever you're smoking?09:12
jmobOh, right, arm...09:12
timeless_mbpto the extent that it exists for arm, it's mostly because nokia is paying adobe and working w/ adobe on it09:13
jmobAdobe is incapable of compiling for other archs...09:13
timeless_mbpit's just not quite the same priority09:13
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timeless_mbpit can work on arm, but if you want it to work fast on strange hardwares09:13
timeless_mbpthe first problem should be obvious09:13
timeless_mbpflash itself is reasonably portable09:14
timeless_mbpbut what matters to users isn't really portability09:14
timeless_mbpit's performance (battery life, speed)09:14
jmobI dont quite understand the barriers though, why is compiling for other archs so hard if their code is well written/tested09:15
timeless_mbpsadly video decoders written in C don't magically become fast on random platforms09:15
timeless_mbpespecially when you're asked to use a really lame version of a C compiler09:15
timeless_mbpbut really, if you want to be a consumer, and you sound like one09:15
timeless_mbpplease don't wonder here09:15
timeless_mbpyou aren't paying me enough09:16
jmobWhat does maemo require?09:16
timeless_mbpconsumers pay for products that work well09:16
timeless_mbpbut engineers aren't paid by consumers to listen to them complain about random products09:16
timeless_mbpotoh, if you give me 1kEUR i'll be your consultant and listen to you whine for ... hrm, 5 hours :)09:17
jmobTrue enough...09:17
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jmobI am a consumer in this case09:17
* timeless_mbp noticed09:17
jmobOtoh, you continue to respond to my "whining"09:18
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* timeless_mbp is stupid09:18
jmob(That was meant in jesting manner)09:19
jmobDoesnt omap include some hardware acceleration aimed at video decoding?09:19
timeless_mbpthose things don't work out of the box09:20
timeless_mbpthere aren't C primitives for them, and since you don't use them when you write code for x86/x64/ppc, you actually have to write and test new code09:21
timeless_mbpthis is where the claim of "if your code is so portable, why... " falls apart09:21
timeless_mbpthe n8x0s have a DSP too09:21
timeless_mbpbut again, those aren't standard items you find in x86 hardware09:22
jmobRight, just "wondering", sorry (-:09:22
timeless_mbpso again, you have to write and test09:22
timeless_mbpand as it happens, it seems that each DSP is different09:22
timeless_mbpso it isn't write once, it's write per device09:22
timeless_mbp(or perhaps device class if you claim the n800 and n810 are different devices in the same class)09:22
GAN800Hopefully that'll be getting better soon.09:23
* timeless_mbp chuckles09:23
timeless_mbpyeah right09:23
GAN800With slightly more standardized DSP software09:24
timeless_mbpoh, and this stuff is hardly standard stuff that any random programmer can just do09:24
timeless_mbpyou get to read lots of technical specifications, contact the vendors to ask questions09:24
RST38hGAN: Standardized across OMAP3 line :)09:24
timeless_mbpand then you deal w/ reality which includes bugs09:24
GAN800OpenMAX LOOKS to be moving in a positive direction.09:24
GAN800RST38h, better than every vendor rolling their own for OMAP2. ;)09:24
jmobWell, presumably there's certain "pivot" points in the  code such that not everything has to be rewritten...09:25
* RST38h thought TI was the only vendor of OMAP2. Missed something? =)09:25
timeless_mbpjmob: mostly it's just the video decoders09:25
timeless_mbpbut it isn't *one* decoder09:25
timeless_mbpit's one for each codec09:25
timeless_mbpsince they all need to be fast09:25
GAN800RST38h, DSP software implementation.09:25
timeless_mbpwell.. ok, we might not give you all of them09:25
timeless_mbpbut anyway, that's the idea09:25
RST38hGAN: Ah, that...09:26
timeless_mbpadobe could probably ship a flash10 for the n800/n810 w/o support for Videos09:26
timeless_mbpbut they wouldn't09:26
timeless_mbpand they wouldn't let anyone else09:26
timeless_mbp(it'd fail the certification requirements)09:26
timeless_mbpand no consumer would want it09:26
GeneralAntillesFlash == YouTube09:26
jmobThere's at least one that would09:27
* timeless_mbp is shocked09:27
timeless_mbpwhat could you possibly need from flash10 that doesn't include video?09:27
jmobOh, you said w/o video, i retract  my previous statement09:28
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RST38hNeither Nokia nor SE are included though. Weird.09:30
RST38h   <=== Nokia does show up in "dumb phones" category. I wonder how they did that survey...09:32
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pupnikRead Thomas Woods' "Meltdown" to understand the cause of the crisis.10:07
pupnik"It is curious that Congress is on the verge of passing an economic stimulus bill that is opposed by nearly two thirds of Americans. Mr. Woods provides the logic behind the intuition of this increasingly disenfranchised majority. Americans opposed to further government meddling should read this book to fully arm themselves with the knowledge necessary to win the debate. Well-intentioned Americans who support government intervention in the economy should10:07
RST38hWell, opposed != wrong10:13
RST38hJust means that if these gentlemen fuck up, they can forget about being reelected.10:13
roopelet's not debate economics or politics here, please. :)10:17
RST38hroope: Should we discuss the new ITT theme instead then? =)10:19
* RST38h cackles evilly10:19
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roopeWell, my opinions on it could really start an argument, so perhaps not. :)10:28
* RST38h hands out huge plastic happy face masks to everyone then10:29
* Vulcanis puts on happyface mask.10:31
VulcanisVoilà! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of Fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin van-guarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition.10:31
VulcanisThe only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous.10:31
VulcanisVerily, this vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose, so let me simply add that it's my very good honor to meet you and you may call me Vulcanis.10:31
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pupnikif the world's governments continue in this fashion, we may see such a decline in civilization as to make maemo irrelevant10:35
pupniki would ask you to consider whether you are seeing this already10:35
Vulcanismaemo won't be irrelivant, you can... organize your... revolution.. on it10:36
pupnikanybody got a graph for commits, bug reports, updates, new releases over the past 3 years?10:36
GeneralAntillesOf everything or just Maemo?10:38
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GeneralAntillesSteady increase, I'd say.10:41
GeneralAntillesWith a spike over the past year or so.10:41
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EpoXXygood morning =)10:45
GeneralAntillesI definitely know Maemo SW has be hiring like crazy.10:46
EpoXXyi've seen that it's possible to send a2dp from an n800 to a compatible headset etc. but is it possible for a computer to send a2dp TO the n800 that plays the sounds on its small speakers?10:47
roopeYes, we're hiring like crazy.10:48
roopeMostly to Finland, unfortunately.10:48
GeneralAntillesHope some real fruit from that hiring will be coming sooner rather than later, though. :(10:49
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roopeYeah, obviously it takes some time from hiring to learning the ropes to doing work for products to the products coming out.10:50
RST38hFinland is good.10:52
* RST38h suspects that Nokia does have a secret plan on Maemo in phones then. Otherwise, there would be no reason for hiring that many people10:53
timeless_mbpRST38h: way to silence roope  :)10:53
roopeYeah. :)10:54
roopeYeah to the silencing, that is. :)10:54
timeless_mbppupnik: :)10:54
* pupnik clicks10:54
timeless_mbpRST38h: finland is evil10:54
pupnikfinland kicks ass10:54
timeless_mbpmy ass10:54
pupnikdid you see their kill ratio in their war with russia?10:54
roopeYeah... We sure like to kill Russians...10:55
roope(another very good topic ;)10:55
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timeless_mbptechnically we hired a handful of people in the bay area10:57
timeless_mbpone hand that is10:57
roopekeeping with the "no numbers" policy, timeless could be referring to a centipede.10:57
roope(well that made no sense whatsoever).10:58
timeless_mbpindeed not10:58
RST38hOh it makes perfect sense10:58
timeless_mbpbut i'm not really certain how many names fit in one hand10:58
timeless_mbpso roope  is technically correct10:58
RST38hBay area. Centipede.10:58
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* RST38h is trying to make binary translator backtrack and set sane branch addresses11:01
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RST38hAnyone remembers if x86 has conditional jumps to address given in a register11:08
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RST38hNaah it does not =(11:13
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sampppahey, can you guys get horizontal scrolling to work with hildon pannable?11:15
sampppa  like in this example it should work11:15
sampppabut i only can scroll vertical11:15
sampppaoh it shouldnt scroll vertical by default?11:16
sampppahorizontal i mean11:16
RST38hit should not11:17
RST38hAppears to be a vertically scrollable list11:17
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sampppayeah it needs HILDON_MOVEMENT_MODE_BOTH to be set11:19
sampppabut it says on the bottom of that page, "In this example, horizontal and vertical panning are activated as that is needed to allow users to be able to interact both all the widgets."11:20
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timeless_mbpa buggy example in beta documentation, wow11:27
timeless_mbpif the text is wrong, please file a bug :)11:27
timeless_mbpthey crave feedback11:27
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user__any  application for copy website localy iam on diablo instead chinook?11:44
thuxhello all, does tear have config file somewhere? i would like to set where to save folder11:48
user__any  application for copy website localy iam on diablo instead chinook?11:49
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thuxuser__: wget?11:51
thuxwget -k -r website.address11:52
radic_how can i write the degree-char?11:52
thuxif i remember rightly11:52
thuxfirst have to install wget11:53
thuxsudo apt-get install wget11:53
thuxi don't know if you have to have extras repository11:54
user__no is not in the extra11:54
radic_Stskeeps: you are there?11:55
user__its source or a .deb11:55
thuxqwerty12: in what repo is wget?11:55
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user__every go11:56
user__tx qwerty11:56
user__and thux11:56
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radic_qwerty12: can you say me how too wriite special chars like the degree symbol?11:57
qwerty12Dunno, I just use the symbols input on the VKB if I need to use symbols11:57
RST38h"Merck created a phony, but real sounding, peer-review journal titled the 'Australasian Journal of Bone and Joint Medicine' to publish data favorable to its products"11:57
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thuxsome websites are quite large remembered pulling easily 500mb with wget -k -r12:02
thuxsome can disable wget if no phony broser header is not set12:03
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RST38hthat is easy to work around though :)12:09
radic_qwerty12: ° is not on the software keybord12:10
qwerty12It's always fun to run wget --recursive to get a folder while, all the time, you forgot --no-parent12:10
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thuxsome sysadmin downloaded ms-site with wget12:11
thuxapparently large12:12
lcukmicrosoft site is really bad for saving - they destroy links after just a few months instead of planning for the future12:17
lcukthe number of times i click results and stuff and end up on dead "this page fucked off" holding page is terrible12:18
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timeless_mbplcuk: can i get you to look at a random C change?12:21
lcukwith what?12:22
timeless_mbpignore the what12:22
timeless_mbpthe goal is to change the code w/o changing the logic12:22
lcukas long as you dont want me rebuilding the linux kernel lol12:23
timeless_mbpquery lcuk12:23
timeless_mbpno, don't build anything12:23
timeless_mbpjust read it and tell me if you see any way that the code's old and new behavior could be different12:24
timeless_mbpassume that arrays are not going to change while the code is running and that functions will behave rationally12:24
lcukalright, gimme a few12:24
mavhcwhat's great is when you click links in the WinXP interface and those are broken too12:25
user__ how download in mmc1 whit wget?12:28
thuxcd in mmc112:29
lcuktimeless, your new check "" while(i!=0) "" is different to the old method which would continue while ""i>=0""12:29
user__ i make it but download in /12:30
lcukthe old method used a for loop12:30
lcukwith i >= 0 && some other things12:30
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thuxuser__: cd /media/mmc112:30
lcukyour new one continues looping only while (i!=0)12:30
user__ yes12:30
lcukso you will miss the final char12:31
lcukor first char whichever way its working12:31
timeless_mbpwill it?12:31
* timeless_mbp looks12:31
user__but after the downld go in / instead /media/mcc112:31
lcuki prefer the readability of the while() loop over the complex for(;;) block :)12:32
timeless_mbplcuk: so, if the string is 0 long, it will return false, right?12:32
timeless_mbpand then the only question is what it thinks about the first char in the string...12:32
lcukhmmm you also start from one character further along in the new block12:32
thuxuser__: are you in /media/mmc1 what say pwd?12:33
lcukold: PRInt32 i = pos - 1;12:33
lcuknew: PRUint32 i = pos;12:33
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lcukthe answer is, yes you have changed the logic and its different :P12:33
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timeless_mbpyeah, ok...12:33
* timeless_mbp sighs and tries to fix12:33
lcuktimeless, ive been working with these damned +- 1 adjustments all year ;)12:34
lcukthis kind of logic makes liqbase show graphical glitches and drawing too much or too little12:34
lcukthey are annoyingto fix12:34
user__yes iam in and sudo12:34
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thuxqwerty12: ain't wget should download in working directory?12:35
qwerty12it should do as far as I am aware12:36
lcuktimeless, also if you want me to glance over stuff - i cant read patch files well, i broke it into the 2 final pieces and put them side by side12:36
timeless_mbpwould -y be better?12:36
lcuki dunno im not a patch machine lol12:36
lcuki didnt know that codebase was in c++ thou12:37
thuxuser__: i try it myself if you wait12:37
user__ok tx for generous help12:37
lcuktick tock - amazing clock designs:
BobbeHey guys. I just got my N800, so I don't know if it should be this way, but is my E71 supposed to access my wifi connection faster than my E71?12:38
Bobbe*sorry, than my N800?12:38
* lcuk erases the witty comment he was typing12:38
lcukBobbe, dunno what have you noticed speed wise12:39
timeless_mbpBobbe: define access?12:39
BobbeWell, I just tried using the youtube website from my E71, from Canola and from the N800 browser12:40
BobbeCanola is the slowest by far12:40
Bobbethe N800 fares very well12:40
Bobbebut I see the wifi more responsive to the E7112:40
timeless_mbpsee.. wifi is a service12:40
thuxuser__: i got the page in mmc1 when wget -k -r i didn't use sudo12:41
BobbeI have to use my 3g modem and share it with my router over wifi via ICS (modem doesn't work on Linux, trust me, I tried)12:41
Bobbeso I keep looking at the connection icons in my tray (all of them, there are three actually), and when I access something on the internet with my E71, the moment I open the browser the connection lights flash and I see them working12:42
Bobbewith the N800 the connection flashes quickly, turns off, waits 2 or 3 seconds, then launches again, but not as fast12:43
Bobbedoes that make any sense?12:43
Stskeepsdifference in browser engine maybe12:43
BobbeI dunno, but it doesn't seem like it. The same thing happens with loads of different apps12:44
Stskeepsmorning AStorm12:45
Bobbewhatever tries to access my wifi from the N800 seems to be having a hard time doing it. Could it be related to some config in my router? Something about the channel, or some other config?12:45
Stskeepstry disabling power saving and see if it helps12:45
timeless_mbpsadly, i can't think of *any* apps which can be used for benchmarking12:45
user__i got it tx12:45
timeless_mbpbecause the platforms are so different12:45
Bobbeyeah that's true12:46
Bobbemaybe trying to download a given file12:46
AStormStskeeps, so, it mostly works12:46
AStormwhat do I have to install to get the adv. battery monitor?12:46
AStorm(urls, repo urls wanted)12:47
Bobbehow do I disable power save?12:47
StskeepsAStorm: qwerty12 probably knows12:47
infobotwifi-psm is probably
Stskeeps-> Bobbe12:47
AStormyes, in Maemo, it's in connection options12:47
AStormjust below transmitter power12:47
Bobbek lemme try12:47
AStormwarning - this *will* drain battery12:48
user__and if i want just one kind of file downld in website?12:48
timeless_mbpBobbe: trying to download a file may test browser behaviors more than network behavior12:49
Bobbehm, how so?12:49
RST38hIs mov dword ptr <immediate>,edx prohibited ???12:50
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* timeless_mbp shrugs12:51
AStormRST38h, in ARM?12:52
AStormah, no x8612:52
RST38hAStorm: Of course not, x8612:53
AStormptr can't go through immediate12:53
AStormit has to go via one of CS, SS12:53
AStormand then SP,BP12:53
AStormyou probably want EDP12:54
AStormgrr tpyos12:54
RST38hWhat is EDP?12:54
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AStorm:) EBP12:54
RST38hAll I want is mov dword ptr MAGICKEY,edx when MAGICKEY is a 32bit field12:54
RST38hReally weird that MASM does not let this through12:54
AStormthen why ptr?12:55
RST38himmediate operand not allowed12:55
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AStormptr means "pointing to memory"12:55
AStormdrop it and just bump the immediate value12:55
RST38hbecause MAGICKEY points to memory?12:55
AStormit doesn't, if it's an ASM const.12:55
AStormother than that, you have to go via stack registers12:56
RST38hI have to do WHAT???12:56
AStormmov that to EBP12:56
AStormthen mov dword ptr EBP, EDX12:56
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AStormyou can't move immediate ptr to EDX directly, that's why12:57
AStormthis is MASM, so it's intel syntax, yes12:59
AStormhmm, going through ESI should work too12:59
RST38hI am not moving anything to EDX12:59
RST38hI am moving EDX to a 32bit memory location pointed to by MAGICKEY13:00
AStormah, so *again* I mistook the order13:00
RST38hAnd, of course, I can use ANY register for the dest address not just EBP13:00
* AStorm wants to kill AT&T and Intel13:00
AStormyes, in extended mode, sorry for the confusion, too much 16-bit recently13:00
RST38hThe real question is why the hell I can't use an immediate address....13:01
AStormshouldn't that be @MAGICKEY or such?13:01
AStormagain AT&T, meh13:02
AStormthis should be [MAGICKEY]13:02
AStormor mov dword ptr offset MAGICKEY, EDX13:03
AStormI got rusty with Intel syntax13:03
AStormone or the other should work13:03
RST38hdword ptr MAGICKEY show do the job.13:05
AStormI think yes13:06
AStormno idea why it doesn't13:06
AStormwhat does MAGICKEY point to?13:06
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AStormif you did to [MAGICKEY], you'll write to the contents of it...13:07
infobotAStorm meant: if you did to [MAGICKEY], you'd write to the contents of it...13:08
AStormmhm, no, to the location it points to13:08
BobbeOk there's definitely something wrong13:08
AStormwhich is what you want13:08
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Bobbemy 3g connection (600kbps) is loading faster than my 2mbps wifi13:09
AStormBobbe, does it happen with other connections?13:09
AStormI mean, wifi13:09
BobbeI could only test with the one at work13:10
Bobbeand that is some slow connection13:10
Bobbecould never tell13:10
Bobbemaybe I messed something up with my router config?13:11
AStormhard to mess up so bad13:11
AStormbut if it's going at 2Mbps, then it's definitely broken13:11
AStormprobably packet loss13:12
AStorm3G is resilient OTOH13:12
Bobbehow can I test/fix this/13:13
Bobbetry a different router?13:14
Bobbemaybe it's the damn ICS thing?13:14
AStormnah, ICS works well...13:14
RST38hSome chinese web design studio continues spamming me and the WANT a response13:14
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RST38hPoor annoying suckers...13:15
RST38hYea, that may be a good idea in this case13:15
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Bobbeis there a network activity applet for maemo?13:25
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Stskeepsthere's in Connection info in the app menu or something13:25
AStormin the menu and control panel too13:26
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oilinkiI wonder if anyone have tried to use cdma evdo usb modem with n810?13:36
AStormsure, people did13:37
AStormthe problem is that you have to carry the cable13:37
AStormand powered hub too13:37
AStorm(as evdo modems need full 500 mA)13:37
oilinkiAStorm: ok thanks. the power might be the biggest issue.13:38
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oilinkione option, I was thinkin is to use n810 or 770 as wan connection. eg.  Internet - CDMA modem - 770 - router - PC :)13:40
oilinkiI'm currently using openwrt router with usb-port, but that could be another option.13:41
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AStormthat's crazy talk13:42
AStormit *is* possible, but indeed crazy13:42
AStormfor CDMA you still need a powered hub and possibly another external power source (outlet)13:43
oilinkiwell could be. Anyway now the connection is working. I had to put usb-modem to the roof to be able to get an decent connection. using 10m usb-cable is not the best option either, but it works.13:43
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lcukyerga, are you around14:10
yergalcuk, yes I think so14:10
lcukheh, whats  your blog page link14:10
lcukive got someone asking about gtk widgets and what can be included14:11
lcuksampppa, step out of the shadows and ask ffs :D14:12
AStormhey, I messed up root pass in Mer I think14:12
AStormhow can I fix this?14:12
lcuksame way you fix root password forgetfullness anywhere else14:12
AStormboot single and run passwd? a bit hard :P14:13
lcukmy finger looks like ET14:13
sampppayerga: is it possible to put hildon pannablea area in gtkfixed container ?14:13
yergasampppa, I haven't tested it14:13
yergabut I imagine so14:13
sampppayerga: so that it would work14:13
yergapannable area is similar to scrollwindow14:13
lcukhildon extensions are just subclassed gtk widgets arent they14:13
AStormah, I didn't14:14
sampppaand scrollwindow works in gtkfixed ?14:14
AStormjust wrong kb layout14:14
lcukheh astorm14:14
yergasampppa, if it doesn't work with a simple 'add'14:14
lcukgory ET finger picture after stitches removed :O
yergatry with 'add_with_viewport'14:14
sampppayerga: ok gonna try14:15
AStormlcuk, aaargh my brain! ;)14:15
yergasampppa, tell us if it works ;)14:15
Stskeepslcuk: auch14:15
Jaffalcuk: was the trip worth the pain?14:16
lcukabsolutely - i had said i would give my right hand to go - i really didnt think nokia would take it literally14:17
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lcukjaffa, this week of not really coding has been good as well, when i recover and get going i know what i have to do14:19
GAN800yerga, see the Ars article?14:20
yergaGAN800, yes14:20
yergaI'm famous now :P14:20
lcukim moving liqbase from the private .git server to maemo garage soon as well14:20
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pupnikgot pix of the hand lcuk?14:24
lcuki just posted it14:24
pupniki see it14:24
pupniklooks worse than mine14:25
pupnik<- also put hand through a door 2 weeks ago14:25
lcukhow did you manage that!14:26
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pupnikpunched the window in14:26
pupnikto make a point14:27
GeneralAntillespupnik, betting that the glass wasn't fist-proof? :P14:29
pupniktwas not mah frieahn14:30
pupnikbbl lunch14:30
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sampppayerga: yeah it works14:41
yergasampppa, ok, cool14:41
lcuk\o/ nice14:42
sampppayerga: at least if i put hildon pannable area on gtk table and gtktable on gtkfixed14:43
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AStormmmmh, Mer has Python 2.6.215:07
AStormwill we get an update for Chinook/Diablo too?15:08
Stskeepsnot sure15:09
Stskeepsmer has python2.6 cos ubuntu has it :P15:09
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AStormok, any todo app I can grab right now?15:14
Stskeeps"osmo", maybe15:15
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AStormand there's gtodo too, and other random stuff15:17
AStormI need that list in app manager too15:17
AStormbtw, do add less to the next one15:18
AStormnext version of Mer15:18
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AStormhey, it is there, wth?15:24
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AStormStskeeps, maemopad+ change directory dialog is thoroughly broken16:05
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Stskeepswe're lacking icons, it's the new hildon file chooser16:05
Macerthat pacquiao fight was just a brutal ass kicking16:06
Stskeepslo macer16:06
Macerhi Stskeeps16:06
Macerhatton got killed and that last punch hurt me and i was only watching it on television16:07
AStormStskeeps, also, this time it seems adv. backlight exploded16:07
AStormon the reboot16:07
AStormnow it doesn't change the backlight level16:07
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thuxi got 'cannot preserve ownership of' when move files to mmc, is it cause of dosfs in mmc? would it be good to format mmcs to ext2?16:08
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AStormStskeeps, more importantly, all hildon-fm is broken16:11
AStormthis includes tiny file manager16:11
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AStormhmmh, and "close this app" applet is missing an icon16:12
AStormadd some X or another :)16:12
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Stskeepshmm? the rightmost one?16:13
Stskeepsor the applet you can enable which shouldn't be there in the first place :P16:13
AStormyes, that one, which is excellent usability16:14
AStorm*do* fix it :)16:14
AStormjust needs an icon or sth16:14
Stskeepsthe rightmost one in ?16:14
Macerwonder how much i can download before tmob cuts my connection16:15
Maceri should just leave it downloading for like 4 days straight and see what happens16:15
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Stskeepswho is btw?16:34
suihkulokkiStskeeps: try the command "whois" :916:37
Stskeepsthat'd be too easy ;>16:38
* Stskeeps really wonders what it would take to bring n8x0 kernel to be sane on newer versions16:39
Stskeepsother than loss of sanity, that is16:39
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alphaluxcan someone clue me into a cron daemon for diablo? I found an extremely old binary from some obscure place, and it's functionality was a bit obscure.16:48
AStormStskeeps, hmmh?16:51
AStormrightmost? I can see no icon there16:51
AStormunless you mean the picker16:51
AStormI mean the unselected "Close window" applet16:51
StskeepsAStorm: the rightmost moon like thing :P16:51
Stskeepswell it just needs an icon then it probably works16:51
AStormwhich works, but needs an icon16:51
AStormdraw some X and be done with it :)16:52
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AStormand the X buttons in the switcher need to be larger16:53
AStormthey're not finger-friendly16:53
Stskeepsfile a bug or add to really16:53
Stskeepsmy memory is shot so it's better to add it or report it, or noone will pick it up16:54
lcukmake some icon so god damned afwul that ppl offer new ones16:56
lcukred background and yellow X or something16:56
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airtonarantesI have installed here maemo emulator and I've already tested some apps, but I don't understand why when I call the python interpreter I can't import nothing about gtk or PyQt4(these are installed).But some example that I did works fine. Does anyone here can explain me?17:06
qwerty12_N800You're running "python2.5" as opposed to "python"?17:08
airtonarantesthe imports statements don't work directly on terminal, only when I run the application using "run-standalone ./"17:08
crashanddieqwerty12_N800, OH. MY. GOD.17:08
qwerty12_N800lol, hi crashanddie17:10
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zeevHi, will the new Nokia tablet be able to connect with GPRS and run skype?17:10
crashanddiezeev, sure, apparently we'll even be able to use the Apple App Store17:11
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crashanddiezeev, it is unsure if RIM will allow access to the Blackberry app store though, so we're still negotiating on that17:12
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crashanddiezeev, finally, because of Lex Nokia, we've now been able to pinpoint that a fair percentage of Nokia employees believe in Santa (being in Finland and all), so the next version of the devices will only work within the arctic circle17:13
Stskeepsdeep sarcasm there :P17:13
crashanddieya think?17:14
airtonarantesqwerty12_N800: great success, it works very well with python2.5, thank you very much17:15
lcukuntil the upgrade to python 2.6 comes out17:18
thuxpersonally i didn't understand all the noise about lex nokia17:18
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lcukpersonally i didnt hear too much noise about it17:19
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thuxi was in sendmail post list long time a go and common question was howto cc boss every mail sent out17:20
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thuxprobably now all postfix and exim admins has samekind of configs17:22
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crashanddieqwerty12_N800, so, when you coming off age? Might be time for us to catch that beer, don't ya think?17:23
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qwerty12_N800crashanddie: lol, about 1 year & 6 months17:24
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AStormStskeeps, seems like vkb is ignoring the keyboard_available setting17:31
AStormand is always show17:31
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AStormhow do I disable this useless PoS17:31
AStormalso, the xkb applet doesn't work17:32
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StskeepsAStorm: edit /usr/bin/start-hildon and remove hildon-input-method.17:33
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AStormmhmmm, so it's a script :)17:35
FirebirdDoes anyone know the forced window size in hildon (windowed mode)?17:35
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airtonarantesFolks, I'm with a problem using pyqt to do a simple app. please, see . What's wrong?17:36
qwerty12_N800Firebird: around 720x43517:37
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Meizirkkifremantle will have Opera based browser?17:46
Stskeepseh? :P17:46
MeizirkkiThere is "" in their index.theme17:47
Stskeepsah, that's a leftover from 2007 times17:47
Stskeepswell, or 200617:47
Stskeepsthere -used- to be opera17:47
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AStormStskeeps, hmm, matchbox is broken17:49
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AStormI get in some places a dialog to allow access to my keyring17:49
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AStormand stupid matchbox places previous dialog windows on top of it17:50
AStormand there's no way to access that window17:50
Stskeepsaware of it, -- feel free to write it down17:50
Stskeepssomewhere, so we can pick up on it :)17:50
AStormI'm not much into writing - feel free to copy and paste17:51
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slonopotamuslazy :P17:52
lcukastorm u know more about issues and its better if described by you, Stskeeps will tell you where, you paste it in17:52
AStormthat I can do... :P17:53
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* xnt is thinking of setting up a linuxmce setup because maemo has an orbiter app :)18:01
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Maceri wonder why this xforwarding is going so slow over my phone18:52
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lcukthe electrons have trouble moving down curly phone wires18:56
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lcuku need to straighten the wire18:56
Maceror the xserver on the macbook is set to too high of a color? :)18:56
Macerand it's a cell ;) no curly phone lines on it18:57
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Macerbut it's seriously going slow as shit ... don't know why18:57
Macereverything else is going an ok speed18:58
lcukis it normally so slow?18:58
Maceri honestly never really used it over the cell before18:58
Macergoes fast enough over wifi18:58
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Macerthe cell gives me like 90K/s so have no idea what is slowing it down like that18:58
Macerplus i'm typing in the same ssh screen with no lag18:58
Macerugh. i just need to change one thing :)19:00
Macerpiece of shit heh... ah well.. i'll just do it when i get home. guess it isn't that serious19:00
Maceri should have opened up this port a long time ago... whatever.. i'm going to head home. later19:01
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Macerblah. this is starting to get on my damn nerves19:27
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Maceri will just have to wait til i get home... grrr19:27
Maceri figured 90K/s would be fast enough for ssh xforwarding19:28
MacerGUESS NOT19:28
ShadowJK_It depends on the app19:28
Macerwas trying ff19:29
ShadowJK_IME QT doesn't do as much extra pointless crap so it works better over slow links19:29
ShadowJK_Yeah, ff is really terrible19:29
ShadowJK_konqueror is better iirc19:29
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Macerkonqueror is almost as bad as opera19:29
Maceri need something to work with actual java support19:29
ShadowJK_I haven't tested opera over slow X, but it's probably not as bad as ff19:30
Maceri'm sure it's not... but i need something that actually works with ajax19:30
ShadowJK_speaking of java, ff consistently failed on that for me today19:31
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ShadowJK_Like, I could switch windows, and it'd redraw them, and the java applet was running okay, but firefox ignored all other UI input...19:31
ShadowJK_This was kinda new19:31
Macerwell.. maybe i can use opera just to set up the port19:31
Maceri just need to get on a local browser to change the nat of my router19:32
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ShadowJK_You'd be better off using vnc on that slow a connection really19:32
Maceryeah i know.. but vnc isn't encrypted19:32
ShadowJK_neither is X19:32
Macerit is when ssh forwarding pkts19:33
ShadowJK_same for vnc19:33
Maceryou mean run vnc in ssh? :)19:33
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Maceryou said X isn't encrypted19:33
ShadowJK_ssh gives you encrypted pipe19:33
ipndrmathSorry to interrupt. What is better for speed and reliability: Placing OS2008 of my N810 on the internal 2G memory or a 8G Class 6 microSDHC card?19:34
ShadowJK_you can forward arbitrary ports over ssh19:34
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ShadowJK_so with -L 5900:localhost:5900 then connecting to the local localhost 5900 would make sshd on the remote host connect to the remote host's localhost ;-)19:34
Macerthat's kind of ghetto :)19:35
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Maceropera is going slow too.. i guess it's just an overall xfowarding thing19:36
ShadowJK_It's slow even over wlan :)19:37
Macerthen again i'm doing this on a macbook so there is probably something jacked up with the osx xserver19:37
ShadowJK_on gigabit it's approaching usable19:37
Macerwifi is ok19:37
Macernot bad at all.. but over my damn cell it's killing me19:37
ShadowJK_X is too fast so developers don't notice if they do stupid things :)19:37
Stskeepslatency is bigger on cell afaik19:37
Macerit's not lagging talking on irc too badly?19:38
Macerand i'm ssh'd to the same box using irssi... you can hardly notice the lag19:38
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ShadowJK_yeah well, 3 vs 30 vs 300ms isn't noticeable over ssh19:39
Maceri suppose i will just set up vnc on it for now19:39
ShadowJK_but it's noticeable of GTK doees something stupid that requires 300 round-trips to X19:39
ShadowJK_NX might be able to remove some of those roundtrips, but I wouldn't want to use NX on highlatency either :)19:40
ipndrmathOkay. I'm going to multi-task. So if anyone has an answer to my question please call out to me, i.e. ipndrmath:19:40
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Macerwhich is pointless now because i can't set up the port forwarding to get to the box because i need to use a local web browser :)19:41
Macerlooks like i'm really stuck til i get home19:41
ShadowJK_huh you've already got ssh19:41
ShadowJK_you can port forward through that19:41
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Maceryeah i suppose... blah... i'm too lazy now .. i'm at work and i want to walk around a bit19:42
Maceri'm falling asleep19:42
ShadowJK_ipndrmath, if I would want to find that out, I'd run iozone with a dataset twice of four times as big as RAM, concentrating on the 4K random read and random write performance. The "Class 6" stuff is only specified for sequential write speed, which says nothing about random read/write speed, which has more of an impact on general OS use :)19:43
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Stskeepsjeremiah_: idea: tests in maemian that shows the package has a strong reliance on being built in scratchbox19:45
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Stskeepsfor example links to /scratchbox in the source package, etc19:45
ipndrmathShadowJK_: Hmm okay. Darn, I thought it would be an easy answer. Do you have an idea as to where the results may lean? Thanks for your help.19:49
ShadowJK_no idea :)19:50
ShadowJK_let me see if I can get it compiled on the device though19:51
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ipndrmathokay. thanks. There seems to be a repository, albeit chinook, for it19:52
ipndrmathdebfarm, specifically19:52
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ShadowJK_running it now on my Class 620:11
ShadowJK_class 6 microsdhc20:11
ipndrmathcool thanks. I don't have my mini adapter yet, So I couldn't run this. Thanks for all your help20:11
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ShadowJK_On my N810, 8Gbyte Class 6 microsdhc, 128M test file, 4K record size. Sequential write: 6135 Sequential read: 6423 Random read: 2029 random write: 79120:21
ipndrmathokay. Could you run it on the internal 2g card? Do smaller numbers mean quicker?20:22
ShadowJK_smaller is slower20:24
ShadowJK_Yeah I'll run it on internal20:24
ShadowJK_it just takes some time to run20:24
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ipndrmathThat was a stupid question after you told me kbyte/s, sorry20:25
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PowerGridhas anyone encountered hildon-input-method running hot on diablo lately?20:27
ipndrmathI haven't noticed, but I haven't been looking. Hot as in heavy CPU?20:28
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ipndrmath*CPU Load20:28
PowerGridipndrmath yes two processes one running at 90% or higher20:29
ipndrmathNo, I haven't. Does it lag up your machine20:30
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PowerGridyes I have to go kill it to make the system useable and prevent battery usage20:31
PowerGridunneccessary battery usage20:31
DantonicIs there such a file as 'fstab' in ubuntu for os2008 where someone could permanently mount a network location?20:32
PowerGriddantonic i haven't loaded ubuntu on os2008 but there should be ... however20:33
ipndrmathOh. Have you been screwing around at all on that level?20:33
PowerGridif your start-up scripts do not call mount -a or mount -T nfs -a then it does nothing for you20:33
DantonicPowerGrid, no, what i meant is  just on maemo is there such a file, i don't have ubuntu installed on the nit, i'm just looking for a way to permanently mount a network location20:34
PowerGridlet me check20:34
qwerty12~lart diablo autobuilder20:35
* infobot eats diablo autobuilder and falls over dead20:35
qwerty12An annoyance of mine20:35
PowerGriddantonic so it does exist as a file and you should be able to update it20:36
PowerGridhowever check /proc/filesystems to see if the kernel can handle nfs or smbfs or cifs20:36
Dantonicwhere is it located?20:37
Dantonicah kk20:37
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PowerGridbut let me check which rc script neeeds to be update to make it work though20:38
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Dantonicpowergrid, how can i edit it from the command lline?  what's the call to open it with leafpad?20:39
PowerGridi haven't used leafpad i normally use vi from busybox20:40
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PowerGridso i would run vi /etc/fstab20:40
yergaqwerty12, thanks for the post on -developers20:40
Dantonici suck at vi, is there a way i could make leafpad open it?20:41
yergaqwerty12, I have been three days waiting for a package20:41
PowerGriddantonic I don't see why not20:41
qwerty12yerga: 3 days! :(20:41
qwerty12I'm waiting for the python-vte bindings to be transferred >.<20:42
PowerGridhow ever i'm not sure if you load leafpad manually that you'll be able to edit the file you need root access to modify it20:42
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Dantonicpowergrid i suck at linux just trying to figure out the command.  'leafpad /etc/fstab' doesn't work20:43
ipndrmathShadowJK_ : Any word?20:44
PowerGriddo a which leafpad to see where it is20:44
ShadowJK_not yet20:44
ipndrmathHmm... well if the time is any indication, I'm guessing the Class 6 will be faster20:45
ipndrmath*time to complete20:45
Dantonicpowergrid it's in usr/bin/20:45
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PowerGridso try /usr/bin/leafpad /etc/leafpad20:45
PowerGridbut if you're in root you may not be able to start the app as X may not permit you20:46
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Dantonicah that's what it was, i got out of root and 'leafpad /etc/fstab' worked.20:48
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qwerty12_N800' leafpad /etc/fstab' to run it as root BTW20:49
PowerGriddantonic no problem20:49
Dantonicok ty20:49
Dantonicnow if i specify a windows network location i have to include 'cifs' in the command right?20:50
ShadowJK_ipndrmath, Oh I haven't started the test on internal yet20:51
ShadowJK_I'm running with record sizes 4 to 512k to see how much faster it is with more sequential access20:51
PowerGriddantonic yes ... but also make sure it is loaded in the kernel20:52
ShadowJK_Starting on internal now :)20:52
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DantonicWhat's the command to reload fstab without rebooting?20:52
Dantonicoh powergrid how do i make sure it's loaded?20:52
PowerGridcat /proc/filesystems20:53
Dantonicpowergrid, hmm cifs is not loaded, but why is my filemanager sometimes able to recognize that windows partition anyway?  is it using a different file system?20:56
Dantonicah, when i do a mount i see it is currently loading it as tmpfs20:57
PowerGridi think it's using upnp20:57
ShadowJK_On my N810, internal mmc, 128M test file, 4K record size. Sequential write: 6100 Sequential read: 7510 Random read: 2018 random write: 97820:58
ipndrmathOH! so the Internal is quicker?21:00
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ipndrmathfor write anyway21:00
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ShadowJK_I'd say it's too close to mean anything :)21:02
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ShadowJK_I'd clone to internal21:02
ShadowJK_and keep the card swappable21:02
ipndrmathYeah. That's what I was thinking. Cool.21:02
ShadowJK_this is with hispeed mmc kernel btw21:02
Dantonicheh won't let me save over the old fstab21:03
ShadowJK_though I hadn't locked cpu speed :/21:03
ipndrmathhispeed mmc kernel?21:03
ipndrmathHmm... do you suggest I patch?21:04
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ipndrmathOkay. Well anyway. Thank you ShadowJK_ for your help and the link to the custom kernel. I'll consider it.21:08
Stskeepshmm, does the maemo statusbar go right to left?21:08
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RST38hAStorm: here?21:30
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jeremiah_Hey qwerty12_N80021:46
Stskeepslo jeremiah_ :)21:46
jeremiah_Stskeeps: Hi 'keeps? How is everything?21:46
qwerty12_N800Hi jeremiah_,  was in the process of typing a reply but IRC may be faster :P :)21:46
Stskeepssts ;)21:47
jeremiah_Stskeeps: :)21:47
Stskeepsjeremiah_: well, good - doing some homework and rather surprised over - but it will hopefully bring quality packages to all of us21:47
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jeremiah_Stskeeps: You rock.21:47
jeremiah_Stskeeps: That just proves it.21:47
Stskeepsand i'm also absolutely crap at packaging :>21:48
jeremiah_Stskeeps: Ubuntu is basing its MID strategy on your work?21:48
Stskeepsjeremiah_: (that does not imply that Mer would be a ubuntu project, but more like working on common packages and packaging)21:48
jeremiah_Stskeeps: Dude, quit school, call Canonical, get some money for your work.21:48
jeremiah_Actually, don't quit school.21:48
jeremiah_School is good.21:49
Stskeepsi would fail the first packaging exaxm21:49
qwerty12_N800jeremiah_: thank you for reindexing the packages, the autobuider usually runs awesomely - maybe it just got used to the Finnish holiday :)21:49
jeremiah_qwerty12_N800: Sorry it broke. :( I think there is something seriously wrong since this is the second time in about four days.21:49
jeremiah_Stskeeps: There are no packaging exams!21:50
jeremiah_Stskeeps: You make it up as you go along.21:50
jeremiah_qwerty12_N800: I am going to bring this up at the sprint - the autobuilder cannot eat source packages.21:50
Stskeepsjeremiah_: and i just compiled my first Maemo kernel + modules today with OBS, so that's neat :>21:51
Stskeepsand compiling the openmoko kernel right now21:51
jeremiah_Holy shit, very cool.21:51
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jeremiah_But isn't Openmoko dead?21:52
Stskeepsjeremiah_: they still sell but not develop sw21:52
zecrazytuxI've installed espeak on my n810, but I cannot get any sound... did anyone tried ?21:52
zakkmyou guys heard of wolfram alpha?21:52
qwerty12_N800jeremiah_: heh, I just hope python-vte source packge is there, it took me time to seperate that one from vte :) - but a massive thank you for your responiveness21:53
jeremiah_zakkm: Wolfram is a software development company - they created Mathematica.21:53
jeremiah_zakkm: Google is your friend.21:53
zakkmapparently they are making a search engine21:53
Stskeeps.. and google uses linear algebra for their pagerank21:53
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jeremiah_qwerty12_N800: My pleasure qwerty12_N800, again, I feel a bit responsible being the debmaster and all, but I didn't really build the autobuilder.21:54
jeremiah_qwerty12_N800: I will try to get it fixed though.21:54
Stskeepsjeremiah_: at least you're the debmaster right now and not dealing with the iTT rebels :>21:55
qwerty12_N800Yeah, I just blame it for thinking i can have some R&R due to the Finnish holiday :D21:55
qwerty12_N800s/ingg i/it/21:55
jeremiah_qwerty12_N800: Holiday here in Sweden too.21:55
jeremiah_These Scandinavians love their holidays!21:55
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jeremiah_Stskeeps: iTT rebels - they scare me.21:56
qwerty12_N800Hehe, hope it was a good one! :)21:56
jeremiah_qwerty12_N800: I worked in the woods all weekend, _very_ Scandinavian!21:56
slonopotamus'there is gps, gsm, wireless and bluetooth support but i’m not able to test them ATM until we will not solve the GUI issues' wtf?21:56
Stskeepsslonopotamus: as in, we get the ui working first, then the tech stuff is more fun :P21:57
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slonopotamushuh. i first got wifi working, only then usable gui21:57
qwerty12_N800jeremiah_: hehe, mind shipping some over? I need large amounts of paper... :P21:57
Stskeepsslonopotamus: ah, i got usbnet working first. priorities21:58
Stskeepsslonopotamus: also, the pieces for GSM, GPS, etc are already there21:58
Stskeepswe just need to integrate them21:58
slonopotamusi wonder if there's someone brave enough to make tablets run on newer kernel...21:58
jeremiah_Stskeeps: I like your maemian / scratchbox test21:59
Stskeepsslonopotamus: solca :P21:59
jeremiah_Stskeeps: That makes sense to me.21:59
Stskeepsjeremiah_: they are so damn irritating to clean up afterwards :P21:59
slonopotamusStskeeps, who is solca?21:59
Stskeepsslonopotamus: nitdroid guy21:59
zecrazytuxnobody's using espeak (or at least know why it does not work on my n810, without any error) ?21:59
slonopotamusStskeeps, oh22:00
jeremiah_Stskeeps: Yeah, any idea like that which makes the packagers life easier I think is worth doing.22:00
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Stskeepsjeremiah_: other silly things can be running autoconf when not build-dep on autoconf.. and so forth22:00
Stskeepsmany funny things to test for22:00
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Stskeeps(that's a scratchboxism: people think autoconf is always there, but you can't rely on that Maemo6 will have scratchbox automatically installed, or autoconf provided)22:01
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Stskeepsor if you build on other OSes using normal builders, autoconf isn't there unless you build-dep on it :)22:01
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Stskeepsbut i think we can discuss this further some other time22:02
Stskeepswe're building a bunch of Extras packages right now to find the common patterns22:03
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jeremiah_Stskeeps: Yes indeed.22:04
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jpereirasomebody using HP/Ipaq folding keyboard in NXXX?22:06
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Stskeepser, don't they have a properitary port or how was it?22:07
Stskeepsat least my ipaq 3630 one does :P22:07
qwerty12_N800jpereira: if it's bluetooth, tried kbdd: ?22:08
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Stskeepsyou have flu A? :P22:08
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RST38hGiven two instructions: mov eax,dword ptr 666 and mov eax,dword ptr ds:666 what will the difference be, you think?22:08
jpereiraqwerty12_N800:  just, i get and try kbdd... but make changes and make patch for optimize the kbdd.22:08
jpereirai using now the kbdd and works fine, i think that maybe had other alternative for kbdd. thanks qwerty12_N80022:10
qwerty12_N800Ah :)22:10
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jpereiraqwerty12_N800: the keyboard works in my n800 and my desktop! ;)22:11
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mikkov_qwerty12_N800: do you delete your source packages once they are ready? :)22:23
qwerty12_N800mikkov_: after I've uploaded... I now see this isn't a good habit... :)22:24
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mikkov_you like to live dangerously :)22:24
jeremiah_There is a tool in debian that makes new packages out of packages you have already built, so it can be good to keep old packages around.22:24
jeremiah_Especially if  you are just updaing.22:24
jeremiah_One such tool is called uupdate22:25
qwerty12_N800lol... I've become too used to hitting shift+delete... :)22:25
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zecrazytuxI've found that espeak can create a valid wav file, but can't play it (no sound)22:27
zecrazytuxis there a workaround ?22:28
qwerty12_N800I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that python-vte shows up... I plan on using it and i need to reupload it as I fixed the python vte reaper support patch to actually cause the pygtk codegen not to fail...22:28
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mikkov_does anybody know if autobuilder configuration problem is causing libgda3 build to fail or if it's something that has to worked around?22:29
mikkov_problem is "-L/scratchbox/devkits/apt-https/lib" in linker command22:30
zecrazytuxwhat could i use to play a wav file in console ?22:31
zecrazytuxthere is no "aplay" in maemo22:31
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zecrazytuxgst-launch is the key22:38
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