| AStorm | actually, you could have a real thread with stackless python I think | 00:00 |
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| moontiger | sounds like its easier to use c/c++ frankly | 00:01 |
| Gracana | The new deblet installer is nice. | 00:01 |
| Stskeeps | Gracana: thanks | 00:01 |
| moontiger | whats the deblet installer? | 00:01 |
| Gracana | http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet | 00:02 |
| Juhaz | the only thing GIL means on a single-cpu device like the tablets is that the code runs shitload faster | 00:02 |
| Stskeeps | Gracana: you on Diablo or Chinook? | 00:04 |
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| Gracana | Diablo, Stskeeps. | 00:05 |
| Stskeeps | Gracana: and you used the .install and it worked? | 00:05 |
| Gracana | Yup. Without a hitch. | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | good | 00:06 |
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| * Stskeeps is trying hard to fix the worst bug in deblet and it's driving him nuts. | 00:07 | |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: username for the tablet default user | 00:08 |
| lbt | not really sure what it's asking... | 00:08 |
| Stskeeps | basically to run X sessions, we dont want to run as root, write in your intended user login :) | 00:08 |
| moontiger | Stskeeps, do you mean i can have xfce on my n810? | 00:08 |
| lbt | so 'david' rather than 'user' (since 'user' is the default tablet user....) | 00:09 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 00:09 |
| Stskeeps | i should really edit that and explain more i guess | 00:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | moontiger: some have installed gnome :> | 00:09 |
| moontiger | ummmmmm do i get a boot menu to choose what env to start in? | 00:09 |
| lbt | that's why I asked :) | 00:09 |
| Stskeeps | moontiger: that's possible with both Easy Debian and Deblet - deblet is a seperate OS, and yes, boot menu | 00:09 |
| Stskeeps | it's debian for the tablets, except we can't call it debian :P | 00:09 |
| moontiger | holy crap ... sign me up :) | 00:09 |
| * qwerty12_N800 sets up mpd on his tablet again. | 00:10 | |
| lbt | (you know I'd like to choose the UID to match my LAN ... but...) | 00:10 |
| lbt | (and what's with all the LC_ALL errors) | 00:11 |
| LinuxCode | Id never use that | 00:11 |
| Stskeeps | eh. if you ran through installer, there shouldn't be any LC_ALL errors | 00:11 |
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| lbt | um - I did and there are... | 00:12 |
| LinuxCode | deblet...it says..it might steal my wife or cause doomsday! | 00:12 |
| lbt | maybe I missed something... | 00:12 |
| Stskeeps | LinuxCode: better than "no warranty" | 00:12 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 00:12 |
| LinuxCode | ;-D | 00:12 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: pastebin them for me? | 00:13 |
| Stskeeps | just one of them | 00:13 |
| lbt | do you know where the log is? | 00:13 |
| moontiger | what is the xfce perfromance like? | 00:14 |
| Stskeeps | we don't keep a log at that point sadly - was there lc_all during debootstrap? if so, /var/log/debootstrap i think | 00:14 |
| Stskeeps | moontiger: quite decent | 00:14 |
| Stskeeps | people even had snappiness in gnome | 00:14 |
| moontiger | so i just follow that guide and get a choice of xfce or maemo essentially? | 00:15 |
| Stskeeps | moontiger: well, i'll start out by the warranty clause about doomsday, since it's still work in progress :) but what the standard environment boots into is a mix of xfce and matchbox wm - the boot menu allows you to either boot into Deblet or to Internal flash (Maemo) | 00:16 |
| lbt | can't pastebin but ::: perl warning: please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE (unset) \n LC_ALL = (unset).... \n...\n LANG = "en_GB"\n are supported and installed on your system | 00:16 |
| lbt | that old chestnut | 00:16 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: okay, that's odd | 00:17 |
| lbt | are you an en_GB? | 00:17 |
| moontiger | wow that sounds pretty awesome ... im impressed :) | 00:17 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: think so.. or da_DK or something. but in my installer launcher script, i do export LC_ALL="C" | 00:17 |
| Stskeeps | arh | 00:19 |
| Stskeeps | run-standalone.sh messes with the LC_MESSAGES maybe | 00:19 |
| lbt | just flashed bootmenu... | 00:19 |
| lbt | booting... | 00:21 |
| lbt | there's a scottie dog in the top left corner | 00:21 |
| Stskeeps | moontiger: the Debian section in Alternatives on internettablettalk.com/forums has a lot of information on various initiatives if you want to read more | 00:21 |
| Stskeeps | mm. sign of doomsday? :P | 00:21 |
| moontiger | cool ... that website hurts my eyes tho :/ | 00:22 |
| Stskeeps | moontiger: select a different theme | 00:22 |
| Stskeeps | i like mobile ii | 00:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:22 |
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| Stskeeps | (it's in the bottom) | 00:22 |
| GNUton | hi there | 00:22 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: OK- it's up and happy - cool :) Now. how do I configure the wifi? | 00:24 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: top right corner icon | 00:24 |
| Stskeeps | it's nm-applet up there | 00:24 |
| lbt | it looked like a crossed out mouse :) | 00:25 |
| Stskeeps | prolly is better on a bigger screen | 00:25 |
| lbt | nb - I'd add a few hints like that to the http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet page | 00:26 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. i primarily focus on getting things developed and write documentation when i need a break | 00:26 |
| lbt | add me to the wiki editors if you like | 00:27 |
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| Stskeeps | k, sec | 00:31 |
| moontiger | when im making a deb do i have to use a version number with "-1" at the end for maemo? | 00:35 |
| Stskeeps | think that's pretty standard style for debs | 00:36 |
| moontiger | it says "you wont want that" in the standard deb howto tho so im puzzled | 00:36 |
| lbt | moontiger: there was some discussion in -dev recently | 00:42 |
| lbt | if this is a native app that you're building then no need for anything 'maemo-ish' | 00:43 |
| lbt | if it's an 'upstream' app (eg ddd) and you build it and don't need to make any changes then just use their version | 00:43 |
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| lbt | if it's an upstream and you need to modify it (eg hildonise) then you add -maemo1 to the upstream version | 00:44 |
| lbt | (that's my understanding) | 00:44 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: is there a package manager? or just use aptitude? | 00:46 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: yeah, or install synaptic or whatever.. i focus mostly on the system issues | 00:47 |
| Stskeeps | and hope for others to build better environments | 00:47 |
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| lbt | I'm just adding some getting going suggestions - so checking what's there etc... | 00:48 |
| lbt | aptitude caused a reboot :( | 00:48 |
| lbt | do I get to help with the fsck problem now <grin> | 00:49 |
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| Xamusk | is there any numpy port for maemo or am I stuck with Numeric? | 00:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sigh, i'll build a newer mpd tomorrow. Austin Che's build is .2 out of date and there have been a crapload of bug fixes, mpd is lagging like hell here... | 00:49 |
| lbt | mmm - "give root passwd for maintenance..." not easy on an N800... | 00:49 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 00:49 |
| Stskeeps | i usually just either 1) boot into maemo, mount it, do something on the filesystem, sync, unmount cleanly | 00:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: is that a gksudo prompt? | 00:50 |
| lbt | so, I need to get my bluetooth keyboard working inside the initfs | 00:50 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: no, console | 00:50 |
| Stskeeps | 2) or plug in usbnet, telnet in, and mount -o remount,rw , do something, and run reboot | 00:50 |
| Stskeeps | i'm still trying to track down what causes it because the filesystem is obviously read-only and yet it refuses to open the block device read-write for fsck | 00:51 |
| moontiger | thnx | 00:52 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: some also claim setting pass = 0 in fstab will get rid of the problem | 00:53 |
| lbt | I notice it says fsck is trying to open /lib/init/rw/rootdev | 00:53 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that's fine | 00:53 |
| lbt | ok - is this battery out time BTW? | 00:53 |
| Stskeeps | hm? | 00:54 |
| Stskeeps | it's something checkroot does if /dev/root != something, - it sets it correctly to the device node of the mmc partition | 00:54 |
| lbt | N800 - console - root passwd | 00:54 |
| Stskeeps | oh | 00:54 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 00:54 |
| Stskeeps | hence my comment about the fact i've popped my battery way too much | 00:54 |
| lbt | I think a kernel hack is needed - it registers battery open as an event | 00:55 |
| Stskeeps | batcover off, yeah | 00:55 |
| Stskeeps | forcing reboot on batcover off, eh? :P | 00:55 |
| lbt | and opening the external flash | 00:55 |
| lbt | so yes | 00:56 |
| Stskeeps | i would rather fix the problem than resorting to that :> | 00:56 |
| lbt | or make that ctrl-alt-sysreq equiv | 00:56 |
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| lbt | I have a feeling it would be useful in other circumstances ;) | 00:56 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 00:56 |
| * Stskeeps reboots into his hopefully more fixed deblet.. | 00:57 | |
| lbt | good - tell no-one - I've been looking for a kernel project for ages | 00:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | you remove that from the kernel, ke-recv will mess up | 00:57 |
| kaie810 | Wow. N810 to digicam, direct usb cable, it really works. I am excited | 00:57 |
| * GeneralAntilles browses through the Tablet School forums and shakes his head. | 00:57 | |
| lbt | qwerty12_N800: ? | 00:57 |
| kaie810 | Cam card mounted automatically | 00:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's like the Ubuntu forums . . . nobody is actually getting help. | 00:57 |
| * Stskeeps swears loudly | 00:58 | |
| Stskeeps | okay, so it wasn't me copying the initfs dev files that causes it | 00:58 |
| * Stskeeps pops battery | 00:59 | |
| Stskeeps | next theory - udev loading the firmware for wlan for some odd reason causes the filesystem block device to become unfsckable.. | 01:01 |
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| Stskeeps | .. and it's not that | 01:08 |
| Andrewfblack | Khertgan_agian you here | 01:09 |
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| trev0r | who here uses their nokia more than a real computer.... outside of work i mean | 01:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn near | 01:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Especially when I'm not around my real computer. | 01:14 |
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| lcuk | trev0r, i use mine as a compile workhorse and testbed for my app - its eather compiling or running my code most of the times im around | 01:16 |
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| lbt | 'night all | 01:18 |
| lcuk | gnite lbt | 01:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | trying to read python code @ 11:19 PM ain't working for me >.> | 01:20 |
| moontiger | GeneralAntilles, thank you for the invite thingy :) | 01:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | night lbt | 01:20 |
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| Gracana | I might buy an iphone. :/ | 01:24 |
| Gracana | Sadface. | 01:24 |
| Gracana | er | 01:24 |
| Gracana | an ipod touch | 01:24 |
| trev0r | why | 01:24 |
| * Gracana does not have the money to spend on an iphone data plan | 01:24 | |
| Gracana | capacitive touchscreen, 3D acceleration, and accelerometers. | 01:25 |
| lcuk | why not, they are graphically interesting, however you lose being able to do precision work due to stylus infriendly screen | 01:25 |
| Gracana | It has some stupid limitations (I really like the openness of the NITs), but it should be a lot of fun. | 01:25 |
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| trev0r | their screens are only a lower resolution | 01:26 |
| lcuk | and you cannot use a stylus.. | 01:26 |
| Gracana | Yeah, quite a bit lower resolution. | 01:26 |
| lcuk | normal one | 01:26 |
| Gracana | lcuk, I'd rather not use a stylus anyway. | 01:26 |
| lcuk | but they have nice shiney things to make up for it | 01:26 |
| Gracana | I am quite drawn to the iphone UI. | 01:26 |
| Gracana | haha, indeed | 01:26 |
| lcuk | Gracana, for some things i agree | 01:27 |
| lcuk | but not for everything, i got the 810 because i wanted a keyboard that didnt take up real eastate | 01:27 |
| moontiger | but single tasking | 01:27 |
| moontiger | iphone that is | 01:27 |
| lcuk | on the itouch things, you lose both ways, not really improved res and having to give up space | 01:27 |
| Gracana | I should add that I don't necessarily think it's a batter platform.. I'm just a gadget freak and I like to try everything out. | 01:27 |
| moontiger | i just really dislike steve jobs and the cult of the cool-aid | 01:28 |
| Gracana | lcuk, I have an N800. I really wish I had an N810, that keyboard would be handy. | 01:28 |
| trev0r | i'm sure surfing is easier on the tablet | 01:28 |
| Gracana | moontiger, no kidding. :| | 01:28 |
| lcuk | trev0r, no way - have you seen the candy when browsing on iphone | 01:28 |
| lcuk | the NIT is like swimming in treacle | 01:29 |
| moontiger | lcuk, if they would give us the 3d driver stuff we could have all that | 01:29 |
| Gracana | So far I haven't found any device this small that I like web surfing on. | 01:29 |
| lcuk | moontiger, nobody agrees with you more than myself :) | 01:29 |
| trev0r | yeah but since the screen is low res you have to zoom in more | 01:29 |
| moontiger | the iphone is a nice web browser device for sure | 01:29 |
| trev0r | i would assume | 01:30 |
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| Gracana | Now, if someone released an open iphone-like hardware with a hardware keyboard and an 800x480 screen, I would just about die with glee. | 01:30 |
| yigal | is there anyway to speed Simple up to approach Claws like speed, or make the led light, and/or visual biff open Claws upon finger/stylus input - I realize there are a few questions in one here but any links, or work in progress or affirmations would be nice. I am just a user, and not such a great researcher. Thank you for reading. | 01:31 |
| lcuk | theres already more powerful MIDs around | 01:31 |
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| Gracana | Also I would go bankrupt, because it would probably cost $800 or something ridiculous *eyes the openmoko* | 01:31 |
| yigal | I am using Diablo/os2008 on an n800 | 01:31 |
| Gracana | lcuk, anything that approaches or exceeds the iphone in the 200-300 dollar price range? | 01:32 |
| Gracana | lcuk, I'm open to suggestions | 01:32 |
| moontiger | lcuk, where is the correct place to put icons that my app uses? | 01:32 |
| Gracana | lcuk is popular ;) | 01:32 |
| lcuk | heh moontiger im not the person to ask | 01:32 |
| moontiger | it seems like there are a million places people use | 01:32 |
| trev0r | the n810 | 01:32 |
| lcuk | Gracana, i like my nokia and it will go fast, i think we cant be waiting too much longer for new generation hardware from nokia | 01:32 |
| Gracana | moontiger, maybe /usr/share/pixmaps | 01:33 |
| lcuk | and i assume they wont just end the line and price themselves out of the market so i would expect the new to slot in place | 01:33 |
| moontiger | /usr/share/pixmaps/<appname> seems to be used by others | 01:33 |
| lcuk | moontiger, where will i store the hand drawn sketches from users? | 01:33 |
| Gracana | ah, you beat me to it. Yes, it does seem to be the right choice. | 01:33 |
| lcuk | how can i make the location multi user (for when i expand) | 01:34 |
| moontiger | lcuk, i know its up to me but im trying to get the right way to do things in debian as opposed to the windows way where i would create a folder in the home directory and store them there | 01:34 |
| lcuk | moontiger, linux folder tree makes no sense to me either ;) | 01:35 |
| moontiger | heh its hilarious ... on windows im a pretty good programmer ... here im like a noob | 01:36 |
| lcuk | look over my history, ive spent 9 months bein a total n00b :) | 01:36 |
| moontiger | :) | 01:36 |
| Gracana | man hier ought to be a good place to start | 01:36 |
| yigal | it is surprising that Claws is not seemingly being worked on to replace Simple, no disrespect to the developers of Simple, but for IMAP Claws far and away faster that it. | 01:36 |
| Gracana | That will give you some insight as to how things are laid out | 01:36 |
| lcuk | but i think im over the worst of it all | 01:37 |
| lcuk | awww my little nokia is tired: 23:36:51 up 13:22, load average: 0.87, 0.86, 0.69 | 01:37 |
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| yigal | excuse me s/Simple/Modest/g a bit out of it, but as no one is responding it doesn't appear to make much difference. | 01:39 |
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| lcuk | yigal, i dont use any mail client on my nokia | 01:40 |
| lcuk | so i wouldnt know how they would work | 01:40 |
| lcuk | incidentally, does thunderbird work? whilst its been designed for a desktop, would it give a clue as to relative performance | 01:41 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | don't think i can beat lcuk's uptime :> : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenshot00.png | 01:44 |
| lcuk | :D | 01:44 |
| lcuk | how does it get over 1? | 01:44 |
| lcuk | and i reflashed this morning :P | 01:45 |
| yigal | poweruser | 01:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | now i'm 2 :p | 01:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | cool :) | 01:45 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | on 2 rather | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | moontiger, I didn't have a thing to do with the invite. | 01:46 |
| moontiger | GeneralAntilles, oh wow then that was cool and fast :) | 01:46 |
| moontiger | yigal, what is Simple? | 01:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, have you ever browsed with an iPhone? | 01:47 |
| moontiger | yigal, just read further ... sorry | 01:47 |
| lcuk | ive panned around a bit and had a quick play in the apple store | 01:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, not enough | 01:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's really pretty slow compared to the tablets | 01:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | especially with heavier stuff | 01:48 |
| moontiger | yigal, i think modest is useless right now and thats a shame | 01:48 |
| lcuk | sorry, i shall go out and buy one to do quantitive quality testing | 01:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | itT absolutely destroys the iPhone. | 01:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's got a lot of slick that tries to cover up the slow | 01:48 |
| lcuk | NIT doesnt mean nokia internet tablet, it means Ninja in training | 01:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | but isn't particularly succesful. | 01:48 |
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| lcuk | have you seen the hologram hack? | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | moontiger, file bugs for the stuff that hasn't been reported, vote on the stuff that has been. | 01:49 |
| lcuk | http://thenextweb.org/2008/08/22/see-that-little-creature-its-a-iphone-holographic-illusion/ | 01:50 |
| moontiger | GeneralAntilles, been there done that ... gave up and use claws | 01:51 |
| yigal | moontiger: it has so much potential, with its integration into the OS, but it appears to be unable to use inline images, and while I'm a mutt user on a desktop/laptop the fact that it is so slow to open new emails is for me what sinks it as a reasonably usable application. But I may not understand the full picture. | 01:52 |
| * Stskeeps scratches his head over it seemingily being udev that messes up everything | 01:57 | |
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| Gracana | lcuk, I saw that today.. Really cute idea. | 02:09 |
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| pupnik | look, if McCain wants to bomb russia, i say we drop HIM on moscow | 02:17 |
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| LinuxCode | pupnik, loool | 02:20 |
| LinuxCode | drop him on London | 02:20 |
| LinuxCode | I want to see the spectacle how a 70 year old old fat fuck screams when he falls out of a plane | 02:20 |
| pupnik | me too | 02:21 |
| pupnik | i'll help pay for the roof too | 02:21 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 02:21 |
| LinuxCode | drop him on the olympics site | 02:21 |
| LinuxCode | theres plenty of room | 02:21 |
| pupnik | the guy might start a nuclear war i think... not sure | 02:21 |
| pupnik | i'd rather not find out | 02:21 |
| pupnik | sorry #maemo :( | 02:21 |
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| pupnik | obama is scum of course | 02:22 |
| pupnik | just less likely to fly off the handle and press the big red button | 02:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | yigal, Modest is only about 8 months old. | 02:23 |
| pupnik | and the economy is FUCKED regardless | 02:23 |
| pupnik | cause we're all slaves of fractional reserve banking | 02:23 |
| pupnik | ok selfboot | 02:23 |
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| LinuxCode | pupnik is funny | 02:25 |
| moontiger | what does "incompatible application package" mean when i try to install my .deb file thru application manager? | 02:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | A variety of things | 02:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's the Section: ? | 02:32 |
| yigal | GeneralAntilles: This is good to hear, I hope in the future it matures into a more usable mail client, as I assume do many maemo users. | 02:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | yigal, it's certainly not stagnant | 02:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | and most people are overly pessimistic and pissy about it. | 02:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was pushed too early to "final" status, I agree | 02:33 |
| lcuk | moontiger, look in your sources and disable any none standard repos | 02:33 |
| lcuk | they usually conflict | 02:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | They sort of said "it'll be in Diablo" and it really wasn't quite ready at that point. | 02:33 |
| LinuxCode | any of you guys noticed your devices being a bit sluggish lately ? | 02:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, "incompatible" typical has to do with the section | 02:33 |
| LinuxCode | wiht the latest flash image | 02:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | If it's not in User/ | 02:33 |
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| LinuxCode | the cpu load shows nothing much but it still seems to be unresponsive at times | 02:34 |
| moontiger | hmmmmmmmmm | 02:34 |
| lcuk | gen, whenever i see that removing any new temp repos solves it.. | 02:34 |
| moontiger | i'll check that thnx | 02:34 |
| LinuxCode | specially the side panel bar on the left in hildon | 02:34 |
| moontiger | im building it on my desktop system using the debian packaging tools | 02:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | LinuxCode, corrupt internal card with virtual memory enabled? | 02:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | RSS applet enabled? | 02:34 |
| LinuxCode | hmmm | 02:34 |
| LinuxCode | rss is running but I disabled the autoscroll non-sense | 02:35 |
| moontiger | GeneralAntilles, section in the control file says "user/office" | 02:35 |
| LinuxCode | thats bastard battery rapist | 02:35 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 02:35 |
| LinuxCode | virtual memory could be | 02:35 |
| * LinuxCode disables | 02:35 | |
| GeneralAntilles | It's RSS | 02:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | The applet screws everything up | 02:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | moontiger, check your sources list, then. | 02:36 |
| * GeneralAntilles is so glad that FBReader is finally in Extras. | 02:36 | |
| moontiger | GeneralAntilles, im not sure what you mean? my desktop system sources? how does that affect anything? | 02:37 |
| yigal | GeneralAntilles: This is very good to know. As I wrote earlier the fact that modest is so nicely integrated into maemo is a good thing iff Modest becomes a good mail client and from what you have said there is a good chance that in the near future this indeed will happen. So no pessimism for me, but a hope that it will move quickly to a more mature state. | 02:37 |
| LinuxCode | hmmm | 02:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | moontiger, no, the catalog on the device. | 02:37 |
| lcuk | moontiger, no, on the tablet | 02:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | yigal, you can get to most of the devs on #tinymail. | 02:37 |
| LinuxCode | might be gpe | 02:37 |
| moontiger | ummmmm ok ... im completely confused ... what would be causing that?? | 02:37 |
| LinuxCode | i will do some playing around | 02:38 |
| LinuxCode | see if I can locallize it the next days | 02:38 |
| moontiger | i have to take some repos out of my package list to install my deb? | 02:38 |
| lcuk | moontiger, if your package asks for dependencies which are different to whats already on the device it has to go looking for them | 02:38 |
| moontiger | i have the app running on my tablet already and i removed the files to test the deb | 02:39 |
| moontiger | so all the files it needs are there | 02:39 |
| * GeneralAntilles wishes he could remember all the things that can throw that error. | 02:39 | |
| lcuk | but the installer doesnt and has to recursively check all your dependencies | 02:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm blanking at the moment, though. :\ | 02:40 |
| moontiger | lucuso what do i have to do? | 02:40 |
| moontiger | disable repos? | 02:40 |
| moontiger | lcuk i mean | 02:40 |
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| lcuk | yer - if it doesnt work you can just reenable them | 02:40 |
| lcuk | its just an idea which seems to work for me, and besides having a clean repo list makes life simpler | 02:41 |
| moontiger | lcuk, you mean randomly disable repos? thats completely stupid | 02:41 |
| lcuk | no just those which you got just for single apps or unknown ones added with .install files etc | 02:41 |
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| yigal | GeneralAntilles: Thank you, everyday getting closer to my n800 is a great experience with this channel, the wiki, forums, and blogs etc.. So many people interested in this project it's just great. | 02:41 |
| moontiger | hmmmmm ok i'll try thnx ... but this makes no sense to me at all | 02:42 |
| lcuk | stick with nokia default stuff | 02:42 |
| moontiger | does this mean anyone with that repo cant install my app? | 02:42 |
| lcuk | this means we dont yet know whether it is a repo problem at all | 02:42 |
| moontiger | ok | 02:43 |
| moontiger | ok so thats not it | 02:47 |
| moontiger | incompatible application package is all i get | 02:47 |
| lcuk | what does it say if you try installing from console? | 02:49 |
| moontiger | let me try that | 02:50 |
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| moontiger | package architecture "any" does not match yada yada | 02:51 |
| moontiger | its python ... does it have to say "armel" | 02:52 |
| Stskeeps | isn't it "all"? | 02:52 |
| Stskeeps | not any | 02:52 |
| moontiger | it said either was ok doh! | 02:52 |
| * moontiger goes back to the deb factory | 02:53 | |
| Stskeeps | never trust anything said on the internet | 02:53 |
| moontiger | hahaha | 02:53 |
| moontiger | "All" doesnt work either | 02:55 |
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| * moontiger mutters and curses | 02:55 | |
| Stskeeps | lowercase? | 02:55 |
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| moontiger | i had to say "armel" for it to be happy | 03:00 |
| moontiger | now its telling me "python-sqlite" isnt installed | 03:00 |
| moontiger | but it is | 03:00 |
| bef0rd | isn'it python2.5-sqlite ? | 03:00 |
| bef0rd | isn't it* | 03:00 |
| LinuxCode | nn ladies and gents | 03:01 |
| moontiger | there are no files on the tablet matching that kind of name | 03:01 |
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| Stskeeps | moontiger: lowercase 'all' didn't do the trick? that's fucked | 03:02 |
| moontiger | Stskeeps, yup ... really annoying | 03:02 |
| moontiger | bef0rd, "import sqlite3" works | 03:02 |
| moontiger | depends on "python-sqlite" doesnt | 03:02 |
| bef0rd | that's weird, i've just checked with apt-cache policy python-sqlite | 03:03 |
| bef0rd | I think that sqlite3 comes from python2.5-runtime, but I might be wrong, import sqlite3 print sqlite3.__file__ prints the path of a zip file | 03:10 |
| Gracana | Is it possible to get the microb browser urlbar to be at the top of the screen? | 03:10 |
| moontiger | depends on libsqlite0 doh! | 03:11 |
| moontiger | do i have to the docs say not to mention depends that arent "first level" depends | 03:11 |
| moontiger | thnx bef0rd | 03:12 |
| moontiger | its in the python2.5 zip | 03:13 |
| moontiger | does that mean i dont actually have to "depend" on it ? | 03:13 |
| bef0rd | what's the dpkg command to know if a file comes from a package? | 03:13 |
| GAN800 | Gracana, not that I know of. | 03:13 |
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| bef0rd | dpkg --serach python25.zip | 03:16 |
| bef0rd | it comes from python2.5 | 03:16 |
| bef0rd | s/serach/search/ | 03:18 |
| moontiger | bef0rd, you dont have to explicitly mention it | 03:19 |
| moontiger | :) | 03:19 |
| moontiger | it works :) | 03:19 |
| moontiger | thnx for the help | 03:19 |
| * moontiger does a little dance | 03:20 | |
| bef0rd | heh, I was trying to figure it out for me too :P | 03:20 |
| moontiger | i can send you the control file stuff if you like :) | 03:20 |
| moontiger | now to figure out how to get it up to the repo | 03:22 |
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| moontiger | whats a "changes" file? i dont have one of those? | 03:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol, Reggie finally killed that useless Modest thread. | 03:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Let's hope he decides to open another and gets himself banned. | 03:27 |
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| moontiger | GeneralAntilles, it says i need a ".changes" file with my .deb package ... what is that? | 03:39 |
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| Stskeeps | moontiger: it's a specially formatted stating changes done to the package in which version | 03:42 |
| moontiger | ok so i need one of those too *sigh* ... i'll google it ... thnx :) | 03:43 |
| bef0rd | moontiger, have you tried Khertan's py2deb? | 03:45 |
| moontiger | well i want to know how to do this myself properly :) | 03:45 |
| Stskeeps | look at how his script does it too maybe? | 03:46 |
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| moontiger | jeeeeeeez why cant these people write docs that actually you know *help* someone do something *sighs* | 04:04 |
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| moontiger | can i just make a changes file by hand? | 04:12 |
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| moontiger | GeneralAntilles, is the ".changes" file the same thing as the "changelog" file ? | 04:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | changelog should be program changes, .changes should be packaging changes. iirc, anyway. | 04:21 |
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| moontiger | this is so frustrating | 04:36 |
| moontiger | im sorry but im still not understanding what a ".changes" file is or where im supposed to get one from | 04:38 |
| moontiger | :/ | 04:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | This might be helpful: https://maemo.org/forrest-images/pdf/maemo-policy.pdf | 04:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/Maemo_Diablo_Reference_Manual_for_maemo_4.1.pdf | 04:41 |
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| moontiger | thnx GeneralAntilles ... reading them now | 04:49 |
| moontiger | i have a deb that works on a clean tablet ... i just cant figure out these ".changes" files :( | 04:50 |
| moontiger | this is just not worth the effort | 04:58 |
| moontiger | the docs all contradict each other | 04:58 |
| moontiger | and nothing actually makes much sense | 04:58 |
| moontiger | i think i'll just put the deb on my own server and host it there | 04:58 |
| moontiger | thanks anyways' | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | ugh | 05:00 |
| moontiger | none of the docs are set up or geared to python apps | 05:03 |
| Proteous | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | 05:03 |
| Proteous | gah | 05:03 |
| Proteous | sorry | 05:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | moontiger, talk to Khertgan. | 05:03 |
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| moontiger | its amazing ... nokia builds a tablet and hopes the community writes software for it ... but gives not much help with docs and such | 05:04 |
| moontiger | very frustrating | 05:04 |
| timeless | erm | 05:05 |
| timeless | i'm confused | 05:05 |
| timeless | nokia built a platform around Gtk - C | 05:05 |
| timeless | they didn't provide instructions for building applications using Wx | 05:05 |
| timeless | nor did they provide instructions for building applications using VB | 05:05 |
| timeless | nor using VJ++ | 05:05 |
| timeless | nor VC# | 05:05 |
| timeless | nor Haskel | 05:06 |
| timeless | nor Delphi | 05:06 |
| timeless | nor dozens of other languages | 05:06 |
| * timeless thinks they should have included at least VB | 05:06 | |
| timeless | it's a really popular language! | 05:06 |
| timeless | how do they expect people to write crummy apps w/o instructions? | 05:06 |
| timeless | oh, and the real crime is that they don't include instructions for building apps using Logo | 05:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The point is, Python is officially supported, so why would you expect official documentation? | 05:14 |
| moontiger | sorry timeless im just very frustrated | 05:14 |
| moontiger | its not so much building the package ... that i have ... its the "uploading to extras" bit and requirements that im having trouble with | 05:16 |
| moontiger | im gonna quit posting here as im too frustrated and im pissing everyone off | 05:17 |
| moontiger | laterz | 05:17 |
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| * GeneralAntilles agrees that the docs on that stuff aren't very useful, but isn't sure exactly what Nokia should do about that. | 05:18 | |
| GeneralAntilles | There's an Extras BoF setup during the Summit, no? | 05:18 |
| lpotter | Qt has ample documentation | 05:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Erm, is that relevant? | 05:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Erm, that should read "_isn't officially supported" | 05:26 |
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| sp3000 | timeless: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mail/extensions/newsblog/content/Feed.js#383 | 05:33 |
| sp3000 | why is ) red? :) | 05:33 |
| sp3000 | (#407 may be interesting) | 05:33 |
| timeless | sp3000: can you use konigsberg? | 05:34 |
| sp3000 | a what? | 05:34 |
| sp3000 | .mozilla.org, tx google | 05:35 |
| timeless | http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mail/extensions/newsblog/content/Feed.js#383 | 05:35 |
| timeless | the ) is red because i haven't properly figured out how to write regexp terminators :( | 05:35 |
| sp3000 | blog/146 says "to crowded" :) | 05:35 |
| timeless | oh gah | 05:36 |
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| timeless | fixed :o | 05:38 |
| sp3000 | and the answer is, apparently not | 05:38 |
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| timeless | sp3000: are you 80.*, 193.*, or 24.* ? | 05:39 |
| sp3000 | 80 | 05:39 |
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| timeless | try again | 05:40 |
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| sp3000 | better | 05:47 |
| timeless | but yeah, in short that just requires a lot of magic work for the word highlighting rules | 05:48 |
| * sp3000 is surprised that http://www.google.fi/search?q=konigsberg turned out as relevant as it did | 05:48 | |
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| timeless | wow | 05:49 |
| timeless | that rocks | 05:49 |
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| timeless | kinda sad that .com is not as nice | 05:49 |
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| sp3000 | yeah, &hl=en buries to 12 | 05:50 |
| timeless | http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/mxr-test/source/lib/LXR/Common.pm?mark=29-43,36#25 | 05:51 |
| timeless | is the code that does the work iirc | 05:51 |
| timeless | http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/mxr-test/source/lib/SimpleParse.pm | 05:51 |
| timeless | is the rest of the magic | 05:51 |
| sp3000 | heh, I started complaining about colored parens when I got cross-eyed reading js, and now you make me read perl :P | 05:52 |
| * sp3000 needs a nap | 05:52 | |
| timeless | well, if you can figure it out, i'll buy you dinner | 05:53 |
| timeless | did you hear about corematic? | 05:53 |
| timeless | it sounds like it might not have collected useful stacks for gecko (!js) crashes | 05:54 |
| timeless | we're having a hard time figuring out if that's true though | 05:54 |
| sp3000 | I think I noticed a few ending in libxul but I didn't have time to look at it | 05:55 |
| timeless | if you could try to resubmit those, that'd be great | 05:56 |
| timeless | w30+ should automatically do something better | 05:56 |
| timeless | resubmit seems to be: echo 'resubmit' > corematic-resubmit ; lzop corematic-resubmit; cat corematic-resubmit.lzo >> foo.rcore | 05:57 |
| timeless | then upload *.rcore :) | 05:57 |
| sp3000 | heh | 05:58 |
| sp3000 | that'll work | 05:58 |
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| lpotter | GeneralAntilles: isn't officially supported _yet_ | 07:07 |
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| AFBN810 | Hello | 07:21 |
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| moontiger | does anybody know how to move your gpg private key to another machine? | 08:46 |
| shapr | moontiger: It's in ~/.gnupg/ | 08:46 |
| shapr | in the keyring | 08:47 |
| shapr | moontiger: gpg --list-keys | 08:47 |
| shapr | find the one you want | 08:47 |
| moontiger | i did that | 08:48 |
| moontiger | then export and import | 08:48 |
| moontiger | but it doesnt work | 08:48 |
| shapr | for example, one of my keys has the short name 26351E19 | 08:48 |
| shapr | So I do gpg --armor --export 26351E19 | 08:48 |
| shapr | What doesn't work? | 08:48 |
| moontiger | ok so im trying to use py2deb on the nit | 08:49 |
| shapr | moontiger: If it's your personal key, you'll need --export-secret-keys | 08:49 |
| moontiger | but i set up my gpg keys on my laptop | 08:49 |
| moontiger | so i exported my secret key | 08:49 |
| moontiger | and imported my secret key | 08:49 |
| moontiger | on the nit | 08:49 |
| shapr | check out ~/.gnupg/options | 08:49 |
| moontiger | but gpg --sign says it cant find a secret key | 08:50 |
| shapr | see if it's using a different keyring than the one used by py2deb? | 08:50 |
| shapr | weird | 08:50 |
| shapr | You could also use default-key XXXXXXXX in the options | 08:50 |
| shapr | My key sig is B0EF20CC, which I particularly enjoy. | 08:51 |
| shapr | 20CCs of beef please! | 08:51 |
| moontiger | can i just generate a new key? or wont it match the one in garage? | 08:52 |
| shapr | I don't know anything about the garage, I've never uploaded a package. | 08:52 |
| moontiger | all day i have been trying to get my deb file ok to upload | 08:52 |
| moontiger | and still im f***ing around at it | 08:53 |
| moontiger | SO frustrating | 08:53 |
| shapr | Look at your ~/.gnupg/options file, see if it specifies some particular secret keyring. | 08:53 |
| shapr | Look at py2deb, see if it only check for the default keyring? | 08:53 |
| shapr | Maybe there's a verbose mode for py2deb? | 08:54 |
| moontiger | there wasnt one | 08:55 |
| moontiger | just trust.db and the pub and priv keys | 08:55 |
| moontiger | i deleted them all | 08:55 |
| moontiger | so how should i import the private key again? | 08:55 |
| moontiger | as root or just a user? | 08:55 |
| shapr | Well, I assume the secret key is saved as your user? | 08:56 |
| moontiger | i would assume too but gpg goofs out if u dont use root | 08:56 |
| moontiger | i'll try again | 08:56 |
| shapr | That doesn't make sense. | 08:56 |
| moontiger | do u know the private key import command? | 08:56 |
| shapr | gpg --import ? | 08:56 |
| shapr | I've never done that. | 08:56 |
| moontiger | and of course on garage thees no way to actually change my key | 09:00 |
| moontiger | so im stuck with my key being on a machine that cant generate the packages | 09:01 |
| moontiger | and the machine that can generate the packages cant find my key | 09:01 |
| shapr | Sorry, I don't know how to help. | 09:01 |
| moontiger | *smiles* no thank you for trying ... im sorry to let off ... im just so frustrated | 09:02 |
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| moontiger | shapr ... it worked :) | 09:18 |
| moontiger | finally after the whole day :) | 09:19 |
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| beford | :) | 09:32 |
| moontiger | beford, yah its painful for the first time but now i could do it much more easily | 09:33 |
| moontiger | its called "mgcal" in extras-cevel in case you use google calendar | 09:34 |
| moontiger | devel even | 09:34 |
| moontiger | :) | 09:34 |
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| shapr | moontiger: yay! | 09:41 |
| moontiger | yes :) | 09:41 |
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| moontiger | well so if anybody uses google calendar i would appreciate some feedback :) | 10:05 |
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| Pavlz | hello | 10:06 |
| Pavlz | yersterday morning i worked on charger battery of cell phone k608i | 10:06 |
| Pavlz | it works fine | 10:07 |
| Pavlz | now my nokia 770 can be charged with a charger batter of cell phone k608i | 10:07 |
| Pavlz | why the charger battery of nokia 770 was borken | 10:08 |
| Pavlz | now i am satisfied of my little job | 10:08 |
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| Pavlz | so if you never need necessity of a charger battery it is necessary to cut the shell, unmount the cable of sony ericsson and to munt the cables of nokia 770 | 10:09 |
| Pavlz | happy hacking Paolo | 10:10 |
| moontiger | hi Pavlz :) | 10:12 |
| Pavlz | hi | 10:13 |
| Pavlz | all ok ? | 10:13 |
| Pavlz | this night too i did later | 10:13 |
| Pavlz | from 12 hours i go with my mom to eat a Pizza | 10:14 |
| Pavlz | between | 10:14 |
| moontiger | Pavlz, yes all good :) | 10:14 |
| moontiger | almost time for bed again tho | 10:15 |
| Pavlz | not so well | 10:15 |
| moontiger | i got my first app into the repos | 10:15 |
| Pavlz | i work the night, bacause is cold | 10:15 |
| moontiger | really? | 10:15 |
| moontiger | the day is too hot? | 10:15 |
| Pavlz | and in the morning is cold | 10:15 |
| Pavlz | yes very hot | 10:16 |
| Pavlz | for me | 10:16 |
| Pavlz | and for my laptop | 10:16 |
| moontiger | heh here is not so hot in the summer | 10:16 |
| moontiger | in spring and fall it gets hot | 10:16 |
| Pavlz | i prefeer winter | 10:17 |
| Pavlz | i work better | 10:17 |
| Pavlz | ah, i got a news | 10:17 |
| Pavlz | i forgotten to communnicate last day | 10:17 |
| moontiger | ? | 10:18 |
| Pavlz | the next 4 october 2008 | 10:18 |
| moontiger | last day = yesterday (in english) | 10:18 |
| Pavlz | i had my 3 conference | 10:18 |
| Pavlz | i don't remember if was yesterday or before | 10:18 |
| moontiger | heh | 10:19 |
| moontiger | what is 3 conference? | 10:19 |
| Pavlz | yes about http://pdelbene.blogspot.com/ | 10:23 |
| Pavlz | i talk in Italy about free software | 10:23 |
| moontiger | oh wow thats cool! :) | 10:24 |
| Pavlz | but many people that want to use free software don't know the difference between free software and opensource | 10:24 |
| Pavlz | or why too share between hackers | 10:25 |
| Pavlz | which are the benefits | 10:25 |
| Pavlz | and why the GNU General Public License | 10:25 |
| Pavlz | how the universities gave their contribute to build kernel or microkernel.... | 10:27 |
| moontiger | right | 10:28 |
| moontiger | these are common issues | 10:28 |
| Pavlz | as so i find myself to reply to guys or people that are more than 30 years old and don't know nothing about, because they are only journalist | 10:28 |
| moontiger | a lot of people dont realise free doesnt always mean zero money | 10:28 |
| Pavlz | infact this is the story | 10:28 |
| moontiger | i guess if ur not a geek who loves writing and sharing code its hard to understand | 10:29 |
| moontiger | the idea of programming for the pure love of it | 10:30 |
| Pavlz | i bought the t-shirt http://shop.fsf.org/product/happy-hacking-shirt/ and i payd 15 euro | 10:31 |
| Pavlz | so yuo can see the shirt that i got and personally rms gave me | 10:32 |
| moontiger | nice :) | 10:32 |
| moontiger | rms?? u met him? | 10:32 |
| Pavlz | yes, i eaten too with him to dinner to the ARA PACIS in ROMA (ITALY) to the RESTAURANT | 10:33 |
| moontiger | very nice :) | 10:33 |
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| liri | beford: hey | 10:41 |
| beford | hi | 10:41 |
| liri | did you get pykaraoke_mini to play karaoke files | 10:42 |
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| Pavlz | moontiger i searched for you this http://www.laitspa.it/laitweb/festival_innovazione/programma.php?giorno=8 | 10:52 |
| moontiger | Pavlz, hahaha :) | 10:53 |
| Pavlz | unfortunately the homepage is available in all the languages but these idiots, have not create a link to the homepage for english, spanish, deutch | 10:53 |
| moontiger | maybe next year :) | 10:53 |
| Pavlz | you can always see http://www.fsf.org/events/ to know where rms is | 10:55 |
| moontiger | if i get time before i leave in december i will | 10:56 |
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| Pavlz | if you are in texas you are lucky | 10:57 |
| Pavlz | are you in texas ? | 10:57 |
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| moontiger | if im in texas im in the wrong place | 10:57 |
| moontiger | san francisco, california | 10:57 |
| Pavlz | lucky you | 10:57 |
| moontiger | why lucky? | 10:58 |
| Pavlz | wonderful california | 10:58 |
| Pavlz | i saw many movies | 10:58 |
| moontiger | well its ok but its not like the movies trust me | 10:58 |
| * qwerty12 likes Compton | 10:59 | |
| * moontiger prefers watts | 10:59 | |
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| moontiger | i must go to bed now as its late and im tired from coding all day :) | 11:00 |
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| moontiger | i will be back 2moro tho | 11:00 |
| Pavlz | 25 (The Free Software Movement)-26 (Free Software in Ethics and in Practise) August 2008 in Houston Texas | 11:01 |
| moontiger | houston is too far from here | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: why on earth would udev starting up cause a block device to become unfsckable? :( | 11:02 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: No idea >.<. Are you sure it's udev and if so, what udev rules are defined? | 11:02 |
| Pavlz | this available !!! do you prefeer Paraguay or Perù ? | 11:02 |
| moontiger | i think peru | 11:02 |
| Pavlz | is more near | 11:03 |
| Pavlz | don't seem me | 11:03 |
| moontiger | just prefer the name :) | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: the fail upon boot which is replicable by popping battery and booting again, disáppears totally with dpkg --remove udev | 11:03 |
| moontiger | Pavlz, im off now ... ciao :) | 11:04 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: crap. Hmm, do you have a copy of the udev rules that come with deblet by default? | 11:04 |
| Pavlz | 18 November 2008 El Peligro de las Patentes Informaticas | 11:04 |
| lbt | mornint | 11:04 |
| Pavlz | bye bye | 11:04 |
| Pavlz | Lima Perù | 11:05 |
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| Pavlz | bye bye | 11:05 |
| Pavlz | ciao ciao | 11:05 |
| Pavlz | to this evening | 11:05 |
| lbt | Pavlz: you still here? | 11:05 |
| Pavlz | i go to bed now | 11:06 |
| lbt | toodle pip then ;) | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: http://projects.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-commits/2008-February/012323.html <- i suspect this might be a fix (scroll down to SlugOS mention in the patch) | 11:06 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, hmm, it could be | 11:07 |
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| qwerty12 | Would it be possible to make udev start after the file system check or the file system check before udev? | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | probably, but its not healthy since udev is handy to have | 11:08 |
| * Stskeeps will boot up his tablet after coffee | 11:08 | |
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| qwerty12 | Yeah, you are right | 11:09 |
| qwerty12 | Looks like mamona has that fix already | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | manona's trac is a nightmare to go through, constant server errors :P | 11:10 |
| lbt | how do they do it? | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | doesnt mamona only do flash-based booting? | 11:10 |
| * qwerty12 hates trac fullstop. | 11:10 | |
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| Stskeeps | i like trac for many things, not fond of the bug system but the rest is okay | 11:11 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: no, i remember rodrigo booting off mmc. his blog post was the reason I started to modify initfs | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 11:11 |
| qwerty12 | although not with functional mods :> | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: btw InstallationProcess is out of date, so it might be more wise to base it on main page installation steps instead | 11:12 |
| lbt | 'k | 11:12 |
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| Addison | Greetings fellas! :) | 11:15 |
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| pupnik | nice to see you again Addison | 11:17 |
| pupnik | in an irc sense, of course | 11:17 |
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| Addison | You can see me all you want pupnik!!!! If you would like, I can even strip down to my skivvies! *lol* | 11:19 |
| doc|home | are you female? | 11:21 |
| Addison | Hey, it's good to see you as well ArnimS! I actually had a good question for you. | 11:21 |
| Addison | "Ancient Domains of Mystery" just put up a new Telnet site for the first time, but certain characters aren't showing up. | 11:22 |
| Addison | I remember something about Dawnmist saying that Xterm's colors is buggy. Is that correct? | 11:22 |
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| pupnik | Addison: yes | 11:25 |
| pupnik | but don't know if that info is current | 11:25 |
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| pupnik | i assume it works on your PC? | 11:26 |
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| pupnik | talking about this Addison ? http://ancardia.ath.cx/adom_server_info.txt | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | heh, - best way to watch maemo mess up, accidentially pivot_root inside it :> | 11:28 |
| Addison | Yes exactly pupnik! | 11:30 |
| Addison | It's not showing all of the junk of the screen. I think it has something to do with Xterm not showing the right shade of grey. | 11:30 |
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| pupnik | are you playing atm Addison ? | 11:33 |
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| Addison | Nope. But I can give you a screenshot of it. | 11:33 |
| pupnik | i'm on as spectator | 11:33 |
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| Addison | There's no walls.... | 11:34 |
| Addison | http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/1128/adomxp1.png | 11:34 |
| Addison | By the way, I've got a really great keyboard for that site. I probably should post it on the forums.... | 11:35 |
| Addison | http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/7741/screenshot2008082023084yz8.png | 11:35 |
| pupnik | yeah that's the bug. dark grey appearing as black | 11:36 |
| Addison | Can you hack it, ArnimS or do you need the fellas at Maemo to clear out that bug? | 11:36 |
| qwerty12 | Addison: does the same behaviour occur with roxterm? If so, it may be a libvte problem. | 11:36 |
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| pupnik | http://inz.fi/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/shot-2007-05-15-14-14-01.png | 11:37 |
| Addison | Yeah, I've also tried Roxterm immediately after. I also tried Putty but it doesn't want to accept the row and column feature within the program. | 11:37 |
| Addison | You lost me on that last post ArnimS, is that a program to change the colors? | 11:38 |
| pupnik | http://www.cs.rice.edu/~scrosby/software/tf256color/src/256colors2.pl addison, qwerty12 you can test colors iwth that | 11:38 |
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| qwerty12 | pupnik: cool, thanks | 11:38 |
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| Addison | Shit, now I'm lost. Is that a file within the tablet? | 11:39 |
| pupnik | it's a little perl script to display the colors you see on http://inz.fi - well maybe not exactly those | 11:40 |
| pupnik | run it with "perl 256colors2.pl | 11:40 |
| Addison | So what is there to do in getting Xterm to see that it's being stupid with the gray coloring? | 11:41 |
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| qwerty12 | For comparison purposes: Desktop: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/osso-xterm-grey-test-desktop.png Tablet: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/osso-xterm-grey-test-tablet.png | 11:44 |
| * qwerty12 should have set the desktop xterm to black too >.< | 11:45 | |
| * qwerty12 upload it again | 11:45 | |
| pupnik | bbl | 11:45 |
| Addison | Good job typing with your feet pupnik! Can't wait to hear from you again! *lol* | 11:46 |
| Addison | Oh wait, perhaps "bbl" means something and I'm just too stupid to know? | 11:47 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, is it me or do those colours look the same? I think it's something in libvte. | 11:47 |
| qwerty12 | bbl = be back later | 11:47 |
| qwerty12 | as far as I know | 11:47 |
| Addison | Hey qwerty, how about you come here to the states and work for the NSA. They'll pay you top dollar! | 11:48 |
| pupnik | qwerty12: the "bright black" on the tablet is wrong... | 11:48 |
| pupnik | it's in the 2nd row on the left - below "System colors" | 11:49 |
| pupnik | bbl = be back later | 11:49 |
| Addison | You are way too smart for your country. You really need to ditch that shithole space called England! :) | 11:49 |
| qwerty12 | Addison: Hehe, I'm not that smart :) | 11:49 |
| qwerty12 | pupnik: yes, I see it now, I must be blind :) | 11:49 |
| Addison | Becoming blind only happens with unrelenting, obessive masturbation. Care to share your thoughts on this Qwerty? | 11:50 |
| Addison | :) | 11:50 |
| pupnik | inz new about the problem ages ago. surprised it's not fixed. | 11:50 |
| pupnik | knew | 11:51 |
| qwerty12 | Addison: *sigh* | 11:51 |
| Addison | Sorry qwerty, weird and unnecessary joke at your expense. At least it was fun typing it! :) | 11:51 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 11:51 |
| pupnik | holy crap the conversation we just had came up on a google search for this topic | 11:52 |
| pupnik | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html | 11:52 |
| qwerty12 | Happened to me yesterday, I was surprised as I thought it was slow at collecting logs :P :D | 11:53 |
| Addison | Hey, the internet is just a daily, turd depository. | 11:53 |
| pupnik | the surprising part is that google indexed it so fast Addison | 11:54 |
| Addison | I once tried to check up on something simple online and got a hit for "texas roadkill bondage". Seriously, what the hell? | 11:54 |
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| Addison | So can the grey mis-color junk be fixed or is it going to be a wait and see sort of thing? | 11:59 |
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| beford | I'm blind too :| | 12:02 |
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| Addison | So pupnik, is there an easy fix to the weird bright black color in Xterm or is that something that I'll have to live with? | 12:08 |
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| Addison | Hey pupnik and Qwerty, I thought that we were having an engaging conversation with eachother...... What happened? :) | 12:17 |
| * qwerty12 has nothing to say :) | 12:18 | |
| Addison | Are you angry with me for my stupid posts? | 12:18 |
| qwerty12 | No no, nothing like that, I just don't know what more I can contribute to this topic. + that I'm busy working on Conky | 12:19 |
| Addison | If you say no, you're going to get more of them, you know this right? | 12:19 |
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| Addison | Well, it looks like I'm out like a fat kid in dodge ball. I'll see you all around sometime soon. :) | 12:23 |
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| lbt | Ok, so I want to install e2fsprogs - packrat says it's in the repository.maemo.org - but what line do I need in sources.list? | 12:30 |
| lbt | http://ageofikon.info/packrat/index.php?Action=list&System=OS2008&Arg=e2fsprogs&Section=&Repo=0 | 12:30 |
| qwerty12 | It's also in diablo extras-devel | 12:30 |
| lbt | there is too much 'random knowledge' required!! | 12:31 |
| * Stskeeps wonders why the hell O_EXCL, O_RDONLY fails on a block device | 12:31 | |
| Stskeeps | or even how to list what holds the lock | 12:33 |
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| kulve | lock? | 12:37 |
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| Stskeeps | kulve: i have a bizarre problem with udev causing open("/dev/root", O_RDONLY|O_EXCL) to fail with EBUSY | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | fs is mounted ro and all | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | (this happens in fsck.ext3) | 12:39 |
| kulve | lsof and fuser might be able to tell who's using it | 12:40 |
| kulve | why do you have the O_EXCL there? | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: that's fsck.ext3 doing that | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | which fails, causing boot process to stall | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | as it cannot fsck root filesystem | 12:41 |
| kulve | ah, ok | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | it also happens with the "real" device, mmcblk1p2 | 12:41 |
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| Mikho | would somebody instruct me how to ignore non-zero exit values in a .sh file? | 12:56 |
| trenka | Mikho: program ||: | 12:56 |
| Mikho | I'm trying to write a postrm file, but it aborts to an unsuccessful groupdel command | 12:57 |
| Mikho | ||? | 12:57 |
| pupnik | command1 || command2 will execute command2 on a nonzero return of command1 | 12:58 |
| Mikho | ah, I see | 12:59 |
| pupnik | not sure whether that helps | 12:59 |
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| trenka | and : is a "always true" command | 12:59 |
| pupnik | i have a broken prerm here on my laptop | 12:59 |
| pupnik | ahhhh | 12:59 |
| Mikho | so I should "groupdel blah || :" | 13:00 |
| Mikho | ok, thanks | 13:00 |
| trenka | Mikho: how many times should I say it? | 13:00 |
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| pupnik | thanks trenka - you just fixed my laptop debian | 13:01 |
| infobot | gern geschehen, pupnik | 13:01 |
| * qwerty12 just uses || true | 13:01 | |
| Mikho | trenka, had no idea what || or : meant | 13:01 |
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| trenka | Mikho: people write manpages for you | 13:02 |
| pupnik | at least for me, mpd is borked in debian sid.. Stopping Music Player Daemon: mpd failed! invoke-rc.d: initscript mpd, action "stop" failed. | 13:02 |
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| Mikho | trenka, I got enough information now and I'm grateful | 13:03 |
| Mikho | sometimes scanning manpages is not the fastest way to do things, consider man gcc for instance | 13:05 |
| pupnik | some manpages require serious concentration and more than a few kb free RAM in your brain | 13:06 |
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| pupnik | hello ianslip | 13:10 |
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| fnordianslip | pupnik:, are you talking to me? i can't see the fnord. | 13:11 |
| pupnik | lol | 13:11 |
| fnordianslip | indeed. | 13:11 |
| * pupnik wonders how many ppl here got that | 13:11 | |
| fnordianslip | me too. | 13:12 |
| Mikho | I got it | 13:12 |
| Mikho | ...probably | 13:12 |
| fnordianslip | well done. a nice apple for you. | 13:12 |
| fnordianslip | golden, of course. | 13:12 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: How does a Conky applet that you can't move around sound like? | 13:16 |
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| Mikho | I'm wondering if there is any way of checking the binary compability of a shared library, without actually running the code and possibly encountering a segfault... | 13:40 |
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| fnordianslip | Mikho: perhaps you could use 'file' ? I'm not expert though. | 13:48 |
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| pupnik | "discordian popes" is one of the best band names evar | 13:49 |
| fnordianslip | pupnik: sounds good. what genre are they? | 13:50 |
| fnordianslip | don't worry, watching them on youtube now | 13:52 |
| fnordianslip | well, i'd have to peg them as avantgarde, I guess. | 14:00 |
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| user_ | hello | 14:17 |
| user_ | i don't find irssi for nokia 770 | 14:17 |
| user_ | and on maemo there is the link but not the software | 14:18 |
| user_ | error 404 | 14:18 |
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| XTL | guess it's rotten | 14:22 |
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| lcuk | ~geometric equations | 14:31 |
| lcuk | ~lart geometric equations | 14:31 |
| * infobot blames geometric equations for all the evil in the world | 14:31 | |
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| Stskeeps | ~lart udev | 14:46 |
| * infobot runs at udev with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut | 14:46 | |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, are we frustrated just because its sunday morning? | 14:50 |
| fnordianslip | pupnik: i've just built a binary for ddate if you want to add some discordianism to your tablet. | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: no, frustrated over dealing with some fucked up bug in either linux kernel or in udev that locks the root file system block device :/ | 14:52 |
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| lcuk | not good, is this for deblet? | 14:53 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah. case is - have a ext2/3 filesystem as rootfs, boot normally - mounting rootfs read only and all that jazz.. in the case where the file system needs recovery (battery popped, for instance), fsck refuses to check, because something has a lock on the block device | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | and this only happens when udev is installed | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | it's pretty serious when a system crash causes the system to become unbootable totally | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:55 |
| lcuk | yes sounds like it :(, unfortunately all that was way over my head, but have you had a look at what the actual lock that fsck is encountering | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | it's not in lsof, atleast :P | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | and linux kernel is not the easiest to get to divulge it's secrets | 14:58 |
| lcuk | can you compile a custom fsck and log whats triggering its failing? | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | i ran with strace and it fails on open("/dev/mmcblk1p2", O_RDONLY|O_EXCL) | 14:59 |
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| Stskeeps | with EBUSY | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | >P | 15:00 |
| lcuk | theres not something funny on this device like a 5 second timeout delay or something in hardware? | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | you'd think so - but when i run fsck in usbnet shell afterwards, even after 10 minutes, it still happens | 15:01 |
| pupnik_ | do you have the usb cable plugged in? | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but g_file_storage isn't loaded | 15:01 |
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| Stskeeps | (this is under debian) | 15:01 |
| lcuk | *deblet isnt it :P | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, well, this isn't a specific deblet problem as far as i can tell, so i blame on the underlying base:P | 15:02 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders idly | 15:02 | |
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| pupnik_ | oh just saw usbnet | 15:04 |
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| Stskeeps | but if anyone can solve wtf it happens, i'm buying them a pizza :P | 15:13 |
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| crashanddie | Stskeeps, wouldn't it be easier to ask this in #debian ? | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: ten bucks i'll get told it's not debian | 15:17 |
| crashanddie | deal | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | and this channel deals with tablet issues ranging from maemo to the tablets and hacking them to do cool stuff, afaik :P | 15:17 |
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| crashanddie | btw, what's your problem exactly ? | 15:18 |
| crashanddie | ok, I scrolled up | 15:19 |
| crashanddie | you're trying to find out why you can't fsck on a mounted device , | 15:19 |
| crashanddie | ? | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | it's a mounted device, obviously, but read-only like normal OS'es | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: when a mounted read-only ext2/3 filesystem on a MMC partition needs repair (usual when crashing..), fsck fails to execute due to Device or resource busy. This only happens when udev is installed. Additionally, the system is booted through a pivot_root initfs | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:20 |
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| crashanddie | should be (usually *after* crashing) | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | well, or not unmounting it cleanly | 15:21 |
| crashanddie | that's still considered as a crash in my book | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | well it's able to be replicated so | 15:21 |
| crashanddie | btw | 15:22 |
| crashanddie | are you sure it's read only ? | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | positive | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | i can't write to files on it either | 15:22 |
| crashanddie | tried to write something on it ? | 15:22 |
| crashanddie | ok | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | and strace of fsck.ext3 claims the open(O_EXCL stuff from earlier :P | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | with EBUSY | 15:24 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps, couldn't you blacklist the rootfs in udev conf ? | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: there's even no mention of automounting in udev conf, so | 15:24 |
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| crashanddie | echo /dev/mmcblk1p2 >> /etc/udev/mount.blacklist | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | been there done that, didn't help | 15:25 |
| crashanddie | and add loglevel=8 and console=tty0 | 15:25 |
| crashanddie | to the kernel boot parameters | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | flasher set boot parameters won't work afaik | 15:27 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 15:28 |
| crashanddie | That sucks ! | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | yup | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | it's been haunting me for quite a while | 15:28 |
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| crashanddie | can you check if udev is done with everything ? | 15:29 |
| crashanddie | or if it's still busy with stuff ? | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | it's all done according to itself | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | even 30 minutes after | 15:29 |
| crashanddie | have you checked using a /sbin/udevsettle --timeout=10 ? | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | it says in console it has settled, so :P | 15:32 |
| jott | Stskeeps: does lsof show anything else having the device open? | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | jott: nop, checked | 15:33 |
| jott | Stskeeps: could it be that the device changes due to different root? (as /dev/mmcblk1 <-> /dev/mmcblk0) | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | jott: hm, good one - but i checked device major,minor of the root device matches with the partition | 15:36 |
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| * Stskeeps goes ask in #debian for the sake of it. | 15:37 | |
| crashanddie | Monster.co.uk: "Please enter your Target Job Title: 'Death; Apocalypse Knight; Dictator'" | 15:40 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, there will be a vacancy opening up in the labour party soon | 15:41 |
| crashanddie | I'm not a British National | 15:41 |
| crashanddie | Well... [joins fingertips like Mr. Burns] It is only a matter of time... | 15:42 |
| crashanddie | No but really, what is my "target job title" ? | 15:42 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, you are the only one who knows that | 15:44 |
| crashanddie | oh | 15:45 |
| crashanddie | well, erhm, I fuckeled then | 15:45 |
| lcuk | but i think trying for gigalo wont get you many placements :P the record breaking gurning champion is higher on the list than you | 15:45 |
| crashanddie | not, but what are example job titles for programmer ? | 15:45 |
| lcuk | code monkey | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | developer | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | slave | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:46 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: just wondered about labels... | 15:51 |
| lbt | is udev looking at the ext label? | 15:51 |
| lbt | could that somehow stay open... | 15:51 |
| lbt | thinking about how it created /dev/disk/by-name type stuff | 15:52 |
| RST38h | satan's enema | 15:57 |
| RST38h | (C)XEvil | 15:58 |
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| RST38h | although I guess it is a marketing position | 16:00 |
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| thux | GeneralAntilles: why forget gronmayer, something wrong there? any other similar repository page? | 16:03 |
| RST38h | thux: fms.komkon.org/Maemo | 16:05 |
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| crashanddie | thux, because having 5000 different repositories isn't a good idea | 16:17 |
| thux | ok i see | 16:17 |
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| thux | nokia should set up one community repository where everybody could upload their maemos | 16:18 |
| RST38h | guess what? it did! | 16:19 |
| thux | really i didn't know that | 16:20 |
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| lcuk | is anyone hungry? http://lloydandlauren.com/?page_id=863 | 16:22 |
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| RST38h | Given that they look like regular-volume people, they feed this stuff to strangers... | 16:24 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: i tried disabling volume-id atleast | 16:31 |
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| Stskeeps | but that would be my thought to | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | o | 16:32 |
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| Stskeeps | nothing better than free wifi on trains.. and screaming babies | 16:44 |
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| GNUtonio | Hi | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | morning | 16:51 |
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| RST38h | Sts <-- must be from Finland or something | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: hehe. nah, it's 5pm or so in finland :P | 16:59 |
| lcuk | does anyone know of a simple console application which will allow me to add color to gcc compilation logs? i want something i can pipe through and highlight errors | 17:01 |
| lcuk | colorgcc :D | 17:03 |
| RST38h | why not write your own perl script? | 17:04 |
| RST38h | sts: Some weird socialist state then. California? | 17:05 |
| lcuk | 1) i dont know perl, 2) this is wrote in perl already. i knew i wasnt the first, but my initial google foo was in the wrong direction | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: .dk | 17:08 |
| RST38h | only takes a few minutes to write anyways | 17:08 |
| RST38h | Sts: 16:08 in Denmark | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 17:08 |
| RST38h | not morning =) | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | feels like it | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:08 |
| RST38h | Just two hours behind | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | was up till fucking late messsing around with fsck | 17:09 |
| RST38h | never a good idea | 17:09 |
| johnx | fscking around with it even? | 17:12 |
| * johnx ducks | 17:12 | |
| johnx | hey Stskeeps, m00 RST38h :D | 17:12 |
| RST38h | boo, johnx | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo johnxx | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | -x | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i suspect udev is messing around a bit :P | 17:13 |
| johnx | interesting | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | if i remove udev, fsck problem cannot be replicated | 17:13 |
| johnx | I wonder why we didn't hit it before | 17:13 |
| johnx | in beta3 or earlier in beta4... | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | beta3 was mounted rw | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | in bootmenu.conf | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | the fsck bug has been around almost since the start :P | 17:14 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm thinking to just default it with rw and let the boot process remount the stuff ro while it should | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | even if that's not the correct technical solution | 17:16 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, sounds good to me, but I always take the path of least resistance | 17:16 |
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| Stskeeps | well since it's a showstopper to any kind of decent release, i dont mind least resistance :P | 17:18 |
| crashanddie | jott, I'm about to start working on the progress bar :P | 17:19 |
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| * Stskeeps shakes his head | 17:26 | |
| Stskeeps | rw didn't fix it | 17:26 |
| * esworp is in a conundrum. | 17:26 | |
| esworp | :] | 17:26 |
| esworp | bleb.org appears down, hwich is the home of the osx gui solution for flashing the firmware. | 17:27 |
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| esworp | has anyone got a copy of the flasher.app? I could really use it presently. | 17:27 |
| esworp | wow. crickets chirping. | 17:30 |
| esworp | :p | 17:30 |
| esworp | maybe someone at ITT posted a mirror.. dumdedumdum... | 17:31 |
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| Grackle | garage.maemo.org | 17:33 |
| Grackle | 666 projects, 13410 users | 17:33 |
| Grackle | hah. | 17:33 |
| aquatix | :) | 17:33 |
| Grackle | Well, the maemo.org front page says 666, the garage.maemo.org front page says 662 | 17:34 |
| Grackle | and 13,513 users | 17:34 |
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| Stskeeps | Maemo, sponsored by the devil | 17:35 |
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| Grackle | whee I am getting good at typing on my N800 | 17:41 |
| Grackle | I wish it could autocorrect spelling mistakes. | 17:42 |
| Grackle | Like just now I typed "wprry" instead of "worry" | 17:42 |
| crashanddie | probably the devil didn't correct that error because at no point in this discussion have you had to use the word "worry" whatsoever | 17:45 |
| Grackle | :P I am using my PC to talk in this channel | 17:46 |
| crashanddie | Remember, the devil is just a demon, he's not like that sod of a God who "Knows it all" | 17:46 |
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| pupnik | i read that as 'whee I am getting wood at typing on my N800' | 18:05 |
| * pupnik ponders a random auto-miscorrect hildon input method | 18:06 | |
| aquatix | s/wood/pood? | 18:10 |
| aquatix | nm | 18:11 |
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| * esworp looks at http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithmacosx/ and sees significant problems. | 18:23 | |
| esworp | the links to he downloads for the gui and cli flashers are missing. | 18:24 |
| esworp | a google of the apps indicates the server hosting the fils is offline as of aug 15thish. | 18:24 |
| esworp | so... who at nokia should I talk to? what are the odds that hey'll say 'go buy a windows machine...' | 18:25 |
| crashanddie | not windows per se | 18:25 |
| esworp | yeah, my bad.. | 18:25 |
| crashanddie | well, the thing is, I don't believe Nokia cares about the Mac flasher | 18:25 |
| crashanddie | they don't provide it, so they'll probably wash their hands off it | 18:25 |
| esworp | that seems sorta not-in-the-spirit of the tablet, doesn't it? | 18:26 |
| crashanddie | erhm | 18:26 |
| crashanddie | no | 18:26 |
| crashanddie | You can't ask Nokia to endorse all the third party apps possible, right | 18:26 |
| esworp | i don't want them to support them.. | 18:26 |
| esworp | just host the durn 630k file. | 18:27 |
| crashanddie | So if hosting for a third party app goes down, it's not their problem, and rightfully so | 18:27 |
| crashanddie | Your only chance is finding a charitable soul in the Maemo community who would have a copy of it | 18:27 |
| crashanddie | Or just contact the website owner and ask for it by email | 18:27 |
| esworp | i asked when i entered the chat room. :\ | 18:27 |
| crashanddie | Yeah but IRC is not really a good representation of the community | 18:28 |
| crashanddie | post on ITT | 18:28 |
| esworp | i will. | 18:28 |
| crashanddie | But I really don't think you should expect Nokia hosting something they didn't write | 18:28 |
| crashanddie | especially for a consumer device, that's bound to cause problems | 18:28 |
| esworp | i'm suprised, really. I was under the impression that a nokia staffer wrote it on thier free time. that, added to the notion that the less use I get out of this thing, the more likely I am to take my money to someone who make it easier to use with my setup (iphone <barf>) | 18:30 |
| crashanddie | Listen, I'm just trying to be helpful | 18:31 |
| esworp | i'm not arguing or trying to get a rise out of yah, man. I appreciate the help. | 18:32 |
| crashanddie | If someone from Nokia wrote it on their freetime, perfect, awesome, I'm sure it'll work fine, but as it has not been written by Nokia, and thus, Nokia doesn't own any rights on it, I don't see why they would risk hosting something, because, sadly, in our world, hosting = endorsing | 18:32 |
| esworp | would the same go for the maemo community? | 18:32 |
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| crashanddie | I'm sorry if support for Macs is sketchy, but ranting about it, and saying you're going to buy yet some more Apple hardware, well, that's not going to change a damned thing | 18:33 |
| esworp | i will expect to see /someone/ (me?) in the community take up the flame in terms of hosting the app. :] | 18:33 |
| GAN800 | ~flashing | 18:33 |
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| infobot | hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 18:33 |
| crashanddie | That would be good, indeed | 18:33 |
| qwerty13 | What do you mean the macos x flashers have gone? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php | 18:33 |
| GAN800 | 770Flasher should be hosted on maemo.org | 18:34 |
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| esworp | i didn't say they were gone.. but the meamo community page on how to flash had the links removed. | 18:34 |
| esworp | the sentence ended with blank spaces. | 18:34 |
| esworp | :] | 18:34 |
| GAN800 | esworp, did you somehow miss the GIANT 'this wiki is deprecated message'? | 18:34 |
| esworp | yup | 18:34 |
| esworp | :] | 18:34 |
| esworp | <--- not a morning person. | 18:34 |
| GAN800 | 770Flasher is just a GUI wrapper for Nokia's flasher. | 18:35 |
| GAN800 | Made by Jaffa, a community person. | 18:35 |
| esworp | lemme know if you bump into it. | 18:36 |
| GAN800 | Just use the console flasher | 18:37 |
| GAN800 | The instructions are right there. | 18:37 |
| esworp | i am in the middle of that. | 18:37 |
| * esworp was ranting? wow. | 18:37 | |
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| lcuk | GAN800, quite a storm you are havin over there | 18:39 |
| GAN800 | 'support' consists of flashing software. | 18:39 |
| esworp | Fay? | 18:39 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, what storm? | 18:40 |
| GAN800 | I've gotten about an inch of rain. :P | 18:40 |
| esworp | it was a total non-event here in the pandhandle. | 18:40 |
| lcuk | yes fay, werent you covering your windows | 18:40 |
| GAN800 | No | 18:40 |
| GAN800 | Not for a tropical storm that went in waay sough | 18:41 |
| lcuk | and sinking the chairs | 18:41 |
| esworp | i bought a little more beer, in case of... a bonring rainy day. | 18:41 |
| GAN800 | s/sough/south/ | 18:41 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: Not for a tropical storm that went in waay south | 18:41 |
| GAN800 | Sank the chairs when I thought it was coming here | 18:41 |
| GAN800 | Was ready to board if it went into the Gulf and got up around a cat3 | 18:42 |
| GAN800 | But it didn't. ;) Cuba tore it to pieces then it went straight for more land. | 18:42 |
| * GAN800 is really really tired of the cyrillic spam. | 18:43 | |
| esworp | what part of the state are you in? | 18:43 |
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| GAN800 | St. Pete | 18:44 |
| esworp | i am in the panhandle presently, but used to work for noaa in the keys. | 18:44 |
| GAN800 | We never actually get storms, even though all the predictions continually say they're coming here. | 18:45 |
| esworp | something about living on a 4 foot tall island has you watching the forecasts, eh? | 18:45 |
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| esworp | Invalid FIASCO subblock count (2) | 18:46 |
| esworp | that means... bogus download? | 18:46 |
| esworp | corrupted file? | 18:46 |
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| GAN800 | Corrupt | 18:49 |
| esworp | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2325 | 18:49 |
| GAN800 | Safari likes to chew up the downloads for some reason | 18:49 |
| esworp | an ooooooolllld post about this error presenting with the old installer | 18:50 |
| GAN800 | There's an md5 you shoukd check it against. | 18:50 |
| esworp | yah | 18:50 |
| esworp | i dont use safari | 18:50 |
| esworp | but yah. | 18:50 |
| GAN800 | Did you download flasher.macosx or flasher-2.0.macosx? | 18:51 |
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| * esworp looks | 18:52 | |
| GAN800 | RST38h, your claim about the bug isn't correct. | 18:52 |
| esworp | pfft.. | 18:52 |
| * esworp is retarded. | 18:52 | |
| GAN800 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3629 | 18:52 |
| GAN800 | Extras downloads are counted | 18:53 |
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| GAN800 | and if they're not, well, that's a REAL bug. | 18:53 |
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| zap | Is there a good kernel project, which provides a complete ready-for-end-user kernel, easily installable through app manager? | 19:17 |
| trenka | zap: official kernel is not ready for end user? | 19:18 |
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| zap | it is ok for most users, but it has connection tracking disabled and this cannot be cured by building just modules | 19:19 |
| trenka | BTobotras: great persons here, nice to meet :) | 19:19 |
| zap | B == Boris? | 19:19 |
| zap | indeed | 19:20 |
| GAN800 | zap, the community-kernels project is working on that. | 19:20 |
| zap | GAN800: cool. Who I should contact? :) | 19:21 |
| GAN800 | fanoush's kernels are really easy to install as long as you can follow instructions. | 19:21 |
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| GAN800 | zap, well, uh, probably fanoush | 19:21 |
| GAN800 | or maybe trickie | 19:21 |
| zap | ty | 19:22 |
| GAN800 | or qwerty12 | 19:22 |
| GAN800 | qwerty12 is packing a kernel for rotation support. | 19:22 |
| trenka | Anybody of the project is going to visit maemo summit? | 19:22 |
| GAN800 | Probabky trickie | 19:23 |
| zap | maybe we can make just a single kernel, and pack features separately in modules | 19:23 |
| GAN800 | Dunno about fanoush. | 19:23 |
| esworp_ | fanoush.. sounds like something yummy at a curry restraunt | 19:23 |
| trenka | I'm just thinking if it's useful to go there, see, there are a lot of kernel related activity in community | 19:23 |
| esworp_ | "can I have the fanoush? ... extra fennel!" | 19:24 |
| zap | "and put some esworp on top" :) | 19:24 |
| esworp_ | hehe | 19:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | esworp_, you don't know fanoush? | 19:27 |
| esworp_ | nope.. not terribly 'hip' or 'cool'. | 19:27 |
| zap | where I can find him btw? | 19:27 |
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| * zap wonders why everybody on this planet does not use irc | 19:27 | |
| GeneralAntilles | thux: | 19:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~extras | 19:27 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 19:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | zap, on the lists or through Garage or itT or something | 19:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's mostly everwhere | 19:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's just that he has, you know, a life and a job and such. ;) | 19:28 |
| esworp_ | i don't usually zero in on the names so much. | 19:28 |
| * zap sometimes has a life too :) | 19:28 | |
| GeneralAntilles | esworp_, he's been around forever and is pretty much the first and foremost Maemo kernel hacker. :) | 19:28 |
| esworp_ | does he have maemo groupies? "OMG he touched me!!" | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did Planet stop updating again or are Maemo bloggers just being lame? | 19:29 |
| esworp_ | "I'll never wash my stylus again." | 19:29 |
| esworp_ | seriously, though.. the kernel stuff HAS to be hard. | 19:29 |
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| esworp_ | out of all the code manifestations.. the hardware side freaks me out the most. | 19:30 |
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| AFBN810 | Hey does USB Control not work on diablo? | 19:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is there an error? . . . | 19:57 |
| AFBN810 | Won't install | 19:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That's not an error. . . . | 19:58 |
| AFBN810 | Says incompable package | 19:58 |
| AFBN810 | Sorry slow typing on tabet | 19:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | AFBN810, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21376&page=2 that may or may not be useful. | 20:00 |
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| DanielW | hi | 20:02 |
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| DanielW | my n810 is missing ldconfig can not install the qt4 packages because of that. should i install some other pakcage before? | 20:02 |
| moontiger | GA... igot it working eventually ...thnx for the help :) | 20:03 |
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| AFBN810 | alson will a gamepad work with the n810 and usb control? | 20:04 |
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| moontiger | i am putting a quik guide together for the process if u would be interested in it for the wiki | 20:06 |
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| AStorm | DanielW: ldconfig is in binutils afaicr | 20:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | moontiger, I misspoke last night. Python is NOT officially supported. ;) | 20:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wiki page sounds great. | 20:13 |
| AStorm | DanielW: no, it is in glibc | 20:13 |
| AStorm | so I guess it is on the system | 20:13 |
| AStorm | /sbin/ldconfig | 20:13 |
| RST38h | GAN: Who would think... | 20:15 |
| RST38h | Given how much stuff uses it | 20:15 |
| pupnik | AFBN810: yes, i've seen USB joysticks on N810s | 20:16 |
| pupnik | make that singular, not plural | 20:16 |
| AStorm | plural is possible with an USB hub | 20:17 |
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| AFBN810 | pupnik do you know if it needs any extra software to make it work or is it just the gamepad I'm trying | 20:18 |
| Kegetys | if its a standard HID device then it should work without any extra software, if it doesn't require more power than what the port can supply | 20:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, Python isn't actually shipped or developed by Nokia. | 20:20 |
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| AFBN810 | This is just a cheap gamepad that says no file system found when I plug it in | 20:21 |
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| Kegetys | well there usually arent filesystems on gamepads so that doesnt matter :P | 20:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Normal, ignore that. | 20:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's just being pedantic. :P | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | gamepads with fs'es.. he | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | h | 20:22 |
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| AFBN810 | ok I didn't even try it I knew there was no file system on a gamepad just nthought it might had thought it was a usb drive or something | 20:24 |
| DanielW | is there an easy way to make screenshots? | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | think there's osso-screenshot or something | 20:26 |
| lbt | http://beans.seartipy.com/2007/10/03/different-ways-of-taking-screenshots-in-nokia-n800/ | 20:26 |
| lbt | (guess who wondered that) | 20:27 |
| lbt | that would be good to port to the wiki DanielW - it's on my list :) | 20:27 |
| RST38h | http://www.fredoneverything.net/Military101.shtml | 20:30 |
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| moontiger | i know ga but they do have examples and they do push it as a dev option | 20:34 |
| moontiger | thats why they should have at least the packaging and dist stuff too | 20:34 |
| moontiger | imo anyways | 20:34 |
| moontiger | :) | 20:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | "they" | 20:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Nokia certainly doesn't push it | 20:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Remember, maemo.org isn't Nokia. | 20:36 |
| moontiger | yes they do they have it on the nokia web site | 20:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Link? | 20:37 |
| moontiger | il find in a bit when i get out of bed ...gimme 20mins | 20:37 |
| moontiger | brb | 20:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ~30-2-changelog is http://p.quinput.eu/debfarm/changelog.html | 20:39 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles: okay | 20:39 |
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| possy | Good afternoon | 20:40 |
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| possy | I am looking for a couple of packages. For example libmysqlclient1.2-dev for Chinook. According to gronmayer.com the file should be in http://repository.maemo.org/extras . But adding that line to my sources.list in the maemo appliance does not find the libmysqlclient1.2-dev | 20:41 |
| possy | Anyone has an idea, what I might do wrong? | 20:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | possy, Extras is included by default | 20:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Erm, scratchbox | 20:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nevermind | 20:46 |
| * GeneralAntilles demands that Nokia bugs mentioned in public changelogs be made public. | 20:46 | |
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| possy | GeneralAntilles, yes, it is, but I can't find it using apt-cache search | 20:47 |
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| possy | probably has to do with the architecture. I just downloaded the http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/4.0/free/m/mysql-dfsg/libmysqlclient12-dev_4.0.24-10sarge2_armel.deb file, but got an error regarding not matching my system | 20:48 |
| possy | (armel) does not match system (i386) | 20:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, where should I file a bug bitching about mentioning Nokia bug numbers in changelogs. . . . | 20:48 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm. any of you ever used initfs hacks to redirect console to a usbserial? | 20:51 |
| possy | GeneralAntilles, forget what I just said. I am just too stupid! | 20:52 |
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| moontiger | GeneralAntilles, http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Developing_Python_Applications_for_maemo | 20:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wiki | 20:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not quite official | 20:56 |
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| moontiger | ummmmm its on nokia.com and it has their logos all over it | 20:59 |
| moontiger | sure looks like its blessed to me | 20:59 |
| moontiger | and i sure dont see any "NOT OFFICIALLY SUPPORTED" banners anywhere | 20:59 |
| moontiger | anyways..... | 21:00 |
| moontiger | my point is there could be some more docs explaining the process and im happy to make them up ... if you would want them in the wiki | 21:00 |
| moontiger | :) | 21:00 |
| moontiger | then at least i would feel i paid back for my frustration | 21:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is a wiki EVER officially blessed? :\ | 21:01 |
| moontiger | well if they DON'T like them they sure as hell say so | 21:01 |
| glass | wiki.forum.nokia.com is official part of their dev relations/site | 21:02 |
| moontiger | i think its like google's perpetual betas ... it means nobody can criticize them but they get the good stuff from it | 21:02 |
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| user_ | moontiger | 21:09 |
| moontiger | ? | 21:10 |
| user_ | i am Pavlz | 21:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be happy that they've put any resources AT ALL into it. | 21:10 |
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| user_ | i turned back now in chat | 21:11 |
| moontiger | GeneralAntilles, im not trying to start a lawsuit or anything ... i just pointed out where some of my frustration came from | 21:13 |
| moontiger | and you asked for the link | 21:13 |
| moontiger | no big deal to me | 21:13 |
| moontiger | :) | 21:13 |
| moontiger | i wanted to write up a page detailing how to do the python packaging thing is all and wondered if you would be interested for the wiki | 21:13 |
| moontiger | hi pavlz :) | 21:14 |
| RST38h | moontiger: You should probably talk to Jaffa and/or Khertan | 21:15 |
| moontiger | RST38h, its cool i got it all figured out now ... my app is up in the repos | 21:15 |
| RST38h | moontiger: Jaffa is behind the python maemo packager, Khertan is the guy most actively using it afaik | 21:15 |
| moontiger | but i was going to write a wiki page detailing the process for others | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | moontiger: what did you develop btw? been watching the talk here so :P | 21:16 |
| RST38h | moontiger: Jaffa should also be able to tell you where to place the wiki page | 21:16 |
| * GeneralAntilles shoots his changelog rant off towards -developers. | 21:16 | |
| moontiger | mgcal ... just a home screen applet for seeing your google calendar | 21:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, what makes you say Jaffa has anything to do with Python on Maemo? | 21:16 |
| moontiger | something i needed and a learning experience for me | 21:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's INdT. | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | moontiger: ah, sounds handy | 21:16 |
| RST38h | GAN: I remember he was behind the packager | 21:16 |
| RST38h | May be wrong of course | 21:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, that's MUD Builder | 21:16 |
| moontiger | it has lots more features coming but i wanted to get the first version out | 21:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ | 21:17 |
| RST38h | ah | 21:17 |
| moontiger | with khertans py2deb mod and some trial and error it works well but getting there is a journey | 21:17 |
| liri | I'm not seeing a way to register to wiki.maemo.org | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | liri, it tells you how to register on the login page | 21:17 |
| moontiger | it = the packaging process | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | It uses the Garage accounts. | 21:17 |
| moontiger | btw id appreciate some feedback if anybody cares to :) | 21:18 |
| liri | GeneralAntilles: I'm not seeing that it says that but ok :) | 21:18 |
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| liri | ok, I'm in, thanks. | 21:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | liri, looks like the notice was removed or overwritten or something | 21:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | It WAS there. . . . :\ | 21:22 |
| liri | GeneralAntilles: alright, so add it :) | 21:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | liri, I can't. | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3236 | 21:23 |
| liri | GeneralAntilles: I'm documenting how I got pykaraoke to work on the n810 which provides karaoke functionality to the tablet | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just N810? | 21:24 |
| liri | GeneralAntilles: do you think a proper name for the page is how_to_install_pykaraoke or something more general like how_to_get_a_karaoke_machine ? | 21:24 |
| liri | GeneralAntilles: well it might work on the n800 too but I don't have one to test it :) | 21:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | They're identical except for the keyboard | 21:26 |
| liri | GeneralAntilles: so it should work | 21:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Installing pykaraoke | 21:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | My point being, try not to limit it to a subset of devices unless it actually requires that subset. ;) | 21:26 |
| liri | GeneralAntilles: I read ya | 21:27 |
| liri | GeneralAntilles: I'm thinking that I got a good set of midi files (33mb) installed on my desktop (from which I got the procedure going in the first place) through some other package, I'll try to track where I got it from | 21:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I just went through and fixed a bunch of old articles that were for "N810-only" or "N800-only" and weren't actually anything of the sort, so. . . . :P | 21:29 |
| zap | hmm, anybody can try invoking "dpkg -s iptables" ? | 21:32 |
| zap | osso-software-version-rx44-locked depends on it, but for some reason it's not installed here? | 21:32 |
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| user_ | where can i find the old application catalogue ? | 21:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | "application catalog" ? | 21:36 |
| user_ | yes | 21:37 |
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| DanielW | quassel on maemo: http://arch.der-winti.de/quasseln810/ :-) | 21:38 |
| RST38h | needs work. | 21:38 |
| user_ | for nokia 770 | 21:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | user_, what I mean to say is, "What, exactly, do you mean by 'application catalogue"? | 21:38 |
| user_ | irssi for nokia 770 | 21:39 |
| * GeneralAntilles is taking the easy way out: http://gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo2 | 21:39 | |
| RST38h | it is not in any of the repos | 21:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2006/irssi/ | 21:41 |
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| user_ | Not found | 21:44 |
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| Grackle_ | wee, #maemo on the nit | 21:46 |
| * Grackle_ got better at typing on the n800 very quickly after he started ircing with it | 21:47 | |
| Stskeeps | sometimes i just wonder about ITT.. "What partition do I install deblet in?" | 21:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, run and keep running | 21:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | itT is a hellhole | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: it is, but some of the people on there aren't bad | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | .. it's also a good place to retrieve guinea pigs to try out evil experiments | 21:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some of them, but most of the useful people are on here anyway. | 21:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the rest need to be recruited. | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | i agree.. things would be a lot easier with people on here | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | i'm getting tired of ITT's private message stuff | 21:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 21:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tell them to get on here | 21:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I recruited sjgadsby and Benson | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | oh, never saw benson on here, .. i think | 21:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | He was here for about a week, then dropped off for some reason. | 21:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bug qole, though. | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, qole really needs to be on to discuss once in a while :P | 21:55 |
| * Stskeeps runs strace on udev start just to have some reading for tonight | 21:56 | |
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| moontiger | Stskeeps, a cure for insomnia | 22:00 |
| * johnx runs the latest version of deblet installer, puts off sleep for a bit | 22:02 | |
| Stskeeps | okay, i've definately confirmed it's udev doing it :P | 22:03 |
| johnx | ah, so we have a culprit | 22:04 |
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| timeless | !seen qwerty12 | 22:29 |
| liri | ARGG!!! | 22:30 |
| * Stskeeps sends liri off to the mental asylum | 22:30 | |
| liri | I wrote the entire page on the wiki and accidently hit the back button on the browser, then I went forward back to the edit page and it's all GONE | 22:30 |
| liri | GGEZ | 22:30 |
| liri | these kind of things can drive me mad! | 22:31 |
| * liri gonna take a shower to cool off | 22:31 | |
| johnx | liri, after the shower set your browser to store POST data | 22:31 |
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| johnx | same thing happened to me so many freaking times... ;/ | 22:31 |
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| liri | johnx: how is that done in firefox? | 22:38 |
| liri | brb, gone to the shower | 22:39 |
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| johnx | liri, I did it through tab mix plus, but I'm pretty sure it's available in about:config | 22:41 |
| johnx | something about "store unlimted post data" | 22:41 |
| RST38h | Garage now has 666 projects. | 22:42 |
| RST38h | It is Apocalypse time!!! | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo! | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~seen qwerty12 | 22:43 |
| infobot | qwerty12 <n=faheem@host-84-9-53-226.dslgb.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 9h 26m 34s ago, saying: 'RST38h: How does a Conky applet that you can't move around sound like?'. | 22:43 |
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| guenther | GeneralAntilles: sorry, commented with the missing details :) | 22:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, just read that. Thanks! | 22:47 |
| guenther | sure, you're welcome | 22:47 |
| guenther | I just hoped I can add that later. | 22:47 |
| timeless | hrm, someone here have the latest ssu? | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | You well enough to check over this for any glaring errors? http://maemo.org/development/bugs/ | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, I do. | 22:48 |
| guenther | I'm really feeling like I am watching myself from the outside today... | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Load up on the Nyqil and sleep the day away. ;) | 22:48 |
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| guenther | GeneralAntilles: Looks good to me. | 22:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Excellent! | 22:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | I went through and fixed most of the stuff in the development section | 22:51 |
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| guenther | Rather generic and the basics -- but no problems with that, and it doesn't claim anything wrong either. ;) | 22:51 |
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| guenther | IMHO it always is a good idea to mention these guidelines more than once. :) | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | guenther, more sounds good to me. | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just wasn't feeling particularly inspired. | 22:52 |
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| * guenther nods | 22:53 | |
| guenther | Hey, at the very least, it is a really good start. | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mostly that was a branding and glaring typo fix, but some refinement would help a lot. | 22:53 |
| guenther | We can always add more details, if appropriate. | 22:53 |
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| guenther | hmm... | 22:55 |
| guenther | First thing that comes to mind for adding details: | 22:55 |
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| guenther | Community projects, etc. | 22:56 |
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| guenther | Currently it mentions the "Maemo platform" only. | 22:56 |
| guenther | oh | 22:57 |
| guenther | "Note! You will need an account in order to access bugzilla." | 22:57 |
| guenther | That's not exactly true. | 22:57 |
| guenther | s/access/file bugs/ # ;) | 22:57 |
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| guenther | Reading is free (as in beer and account). | 22:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I was saving the "and community projects" for whenever the new templates go live. :P | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fixed the note | 22:59 |
| guenther | cool | 22:59 |
| guenther | right, we can add stuff later | 22:59 |
| guenther | I know I shouldn't today. | 22:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | How are those templates coming, anyway? :p | 22:59 |
| * guenther should not write anything public right now... | 23:00 | |
| guenther | What templates? | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | For the Garage tracking in Bugzilla | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | The new bug submission form templates. | 23:00 |
| guenther | er... delayed | 23:01 |
| guenther | I'm hacking on the stuff to get bugzilla in shape before the summit. :) | 23:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 23:02 |
| guenther | When I'm done with the current hacking, mostly the filed bugs part of this Sprint, I'll take care about the Garage migration. | 23:02 |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't want to run out of inertia on the Garage stuff. | 23:02 | |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, cool. | 23:02 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Downloads from a repo do not increment Garage downloads counter | 23:03 |
| guenther | yeah, I understand... probably another week or so, until I get some time | 23:03 |
| RST38h | Bug report submitted | 23:03 |
| guenther | Hrm, I want a favicon with transparency. | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | guenther, that would be nice | 23:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | The white corners are ugly on a gray toolbar | 23:05 |
| guenther | exactly | 23:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, there wont be any progress on that until at least September 6th | 23:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since Download's is X-Fade's domain. | 23:05 |
| guenther | IIRC one can use PNGs, though that would be some other way to get a favicon, not the exact same as currently used. | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/Download's/Downloads/ | 23:06 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Since Downloads is X-Fade's domain. | 23:06 |
| guenther | Dunno how IE handles it, though... | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I'd hope it would choke on it and die. | 23:06 |
| RST38h | ah | 23:07 |
| guenther | heh | 23:07 |
| RST38h | favicon is an .ico file [eeeek] | 23:07 |
| RST38h | and .ico files may contain transparency | 23:08 |
| guenther | they can? | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://mxr.maemo.org/mxr.png | 23:08 |
| RST38h | yes, you can set a separate mask | 23:08 |
| guenther | <link rel="icon" type="image/png" href="image.png" | 23:09 |
| guenther | That works as a favicon, too. | 23:09 |
| guenther | GeneralAntilles: The problem with that very png is, that it is too big -- which results in sub-obtimal smoothness. | 23:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, but it looks hot in places that use big favicons. Like bookmarks, etc. ;) | 23:11 |
| RST38h | you can have multiple icons in an ico file | 23:11 |
| RST38h | small one + big one | 23:11 |
| MishaS | infobot: you talk? | 23:12 |
| guenther | hmm, is that how the N810 default bookmarks get the large icons? | 23:12 |
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| MishaS | seen x-fade | 23:13 |
| MishaS | infobot: seen x-fade? | 23:13 |
| infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (1d 6h 59m 23s), last said: 'murrayc: Probably later this day.'. | 23:13 |
| lbt | liri: if you installed the Live HTTP Headers then you can often do a replay and grab the post data in the event that the server times out or goes down. Worth having for when you need it ;) | 23:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | MishaS, he's on vacation. | 23:14 |
| MishaS | GeneralAntilles, thank you :) | 23:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | MishaS: use ~seen :) | 23:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | September 6th | 23:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you need help with Extras (FBReader, right?), hit up Ed Bartosh. | 23:15 |
| MishaS | GeneralAntilles, aha... good. | 23:15 |
| MishaS | GeneralAntilles, I was wondering about the download stats :D | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, RST38h is having trouble, too. | 23:15 |
| MishaS | qwerty12_N800, aha! thanks :) | 23:15 |
| * MishaS does not really have a trouble... :) | 23:15 | |
| * MishaS just wonders if those "2 weeks" are really 2 weeks... | 23:15 | |
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| RST38h | moo, qwerty | 23:17 |
| RST38h | Not trouble, just finding them incomplete | 23:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, well, the stats from Extras seem to be being counted for adv-backlight. | 23:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hey RST38h. I kinda made conky into an applet... | 23:17 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Seen it, haven't installed it yet | 23:17 |
| RST38h | Given that people report it flickering, not sure if I want to... | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, what's the word on microb-pageupdown? | 23:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: happened with the last version as well :/ | 23:18 |
| RST38h | GAN: Maybe I am mistaking, dunno | 23:18 |
| RST38h | qwerty: yes, that is why I had to remove it | 23:18 |
| RST38h | qwerty: basically, using a plain XWindow for it is wrong, I think. You have to use whatever applets use | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless didn't know what was happening. | 23:19 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: Not sure, i'm not sure if it's just it's one person having problems or if it is a problem as a result of the update. | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, be cool if the "downloads xxxx times" were a link to a page with a breakdown of where that number comes from. | 23:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: true >.< | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | "xxx from Diablo Extras, xxx from Chinook Extras, xxx from .install" | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, I get: http://slexy.org/view/s21par6CIw | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | snav is enabled and dpad moves line-by-line rather than page-by-page. | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, uh, I have it installed, but it's showing the default dpad behavior. | 23:21 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Hmm, the sed lines must have changed. i can repack debs off the tablet, i'll take a look. | 23:22 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: I think timeless has put out a fix but not packaged it. Could you run dpkg -s microb-pageupdown and tell me the version number? Thanks. | 23:24 |
| RST38h | GAN: Yea, but the breakdown page may be too time consuming to do | 23:24 |
| RST38h | + I kinda doubt the current system stores information on individual downloads | 23:24 |
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| RST38h | hrw | 23:29 |
| hrw | hi | 23:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800: 0.1 | 23:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Welcome back, hrw. :) | 23:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: yep, he's got files for a 0.2. i'll package it up... | 23:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hey hrw | 23:34 |
| * qwerty12_N800 has yet to install n800 emulation. i'm a lazy asshole. | 23:34 | |
| RST38h | http://cbs3.com/local/kimberly.jernigan.second.2.801089.html | 23:35 |
| RST38h | Woman Attempts to Kidnap Ex-Virtual Boyfriend! | 23:36 |
| RST38h | [and yes, she is ugly like hell] | 23:36 |
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| moontiger | man thats a weird story | 23:39 |
| RST38h | most dailyrotten.com stories are weird | 23:40 |
| zap | RST38h: any news about your great calc? :) | 23:41 |
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| RST38h | zap: released it | 23:46 |
| RST38h | zap: http://fms.komkon.org/SlideRule/ | 23:46 |
| zap | any changes wrt the version you gave me? | 23:46 |
| RST38h | The Garage page is up and I will make itt announcement as soon as it pops up in Extras | 23:47 |
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| zap | cool | 23:47 |
| RST38h | zap: Screen size now changes properly | 23:47 |
| zap | megacool :) | 23:47 |
| zap | buttons are still same size? | 23:47 |
| RST38h | a few other things you reported have been fixed I think | 23:47 |
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| RST38h | buttons become bigger in full screen mode | 23:47 |
| zap | good. My fingers are a bit too large for buttons in windowed mode :) | 23:48 |
| RST38h | I added labels in the plotter mode for the range selection | 23:48 |
| RST38h | zap: Grow nails =) | 23:48 |
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| zap | I can't, I eat them regularily :) | 23:48 |
| * RST38h can't press anything with his fingers | 23:48 | |
| RST38h | can't even invoke finger keyboard | 23:48 |
| zap | you calculate using the stylus? | 23:49 |
| RST38h | yep. or a nail. | 23:49 |
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| zap | I like how it takes derivatives :) | 23:49 |
| RST38h | I think singularities detection still does not work right though | 23:49 |
| RST38h | So some graphs look funny | 23:49 |
| zap | still asks for the folder on upgrade :) | 23:51 |
| RST38h | yea, I did not experiment with that option | 23:52 |
| RST38h | kinda afraid to, given how far from the "official template" my deb setup is | 23:52 |
| zap | I can help you with packaging, last months I made a lot of them | 23:53 |
| RST38h | I made the packaging stuff work | 23:54 |
| RST38h | But really hated the way it is overdesigned | 23:55 |
| zap | actually its really easy | 23:55 |
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| zap | just don't use the dh_make template :) | 23:55 |
| zap | if you use cdbs, it's way easier to make packages | 23:55 |
| zap | hmm, if you enter, say, "8*" and then press F1 and choose, say "sin(x)" it will enter a carriage return | 23:56 |
| zap | is that how it's desiged to work? | 23:56 |
| RST38h | yep | 23:57 |
| zap | what if I want to enter 8*sin*cos? | 23:57 |
| RST38h | always enters the current input beforeapplying whatever Fx function you have chosen | 23:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: Odd, i installed microb-pageupdown 0.1 fine, just stopped browserd manually by init. Here's version 0.2 anyway : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/microb-pageupdown-0.2.deb | 23:57 |
| RST38h | sin of what? | 23:57 |
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| RST38h | x cannot be assumed | 23:57 |
| zap | I cannot enter anything after sin | 23:57 |
| RST38h | even the current version will let you enter other vars | 23:57 |
| zap | because after sin it does CR automatically | 23:58 |
| RST38h | enter: | 23:58 |
| zap | well, '=' | 23:58 |
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| RST38h | 8 | x sin | * = | 23:58 |
| RST38h | or open the keyboard and type 8*sin(x) | 23:58 |
| zap | hmm | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, http://slexy.org/view/s20rlC9FZL | 23:59 |
| zap | it partially works kind of reverse polish notation | 23:59 |
| zap | and partially like normal expressions | 23:59 |
| RST38h | I guess the confusion is because of the fact that I support both direct and polish notations | 23:59 |
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