| RST38h | depending on the input | 00:00 |
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| zap | yep | 00:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | bunanson is such a spaz. | 00:00 |
| RST38h | given how few buttons are in the on-screen keypad, semi-polish notation looks like a better choice | 00:01 |
| RST38h | but for direct kbd input, direct notation is a way better of course | 00:01 |
| zap | btw is it possible to make ESC switch between graph/calc mode instead of MENU? | 00:02 |
| zap | I find myself often opening the keyboard just because of this | 00:02 |
| liri | GeneralAntilles: http://wiki.maemo.org/Howto_install_pykaraoke | 00:02 |
| RST38h | yea | 00:02 |
| RST38h | I have got a similar request from someone about the emulators | 00:03 |
| liri | GeneralAntilles: that page needs some fix up to the styles of <code> entries and such, but it's mostly there | 00:03 |
| RST38h | make ESC act as fast forward and make MENU invoke builtin menu | 00:03 |
| zap | fast forward in games? :) | 00:03 |
| RST38h | it kinda breaks the default behaviour though | 00:03 |
| RST38h | yes | 00:03 |
| zap | is there such a function there? | 00:04 |
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| RST38h | of course there is, currently assigned to MENU | 00:04 |
| zap | in fmsx? | 00:04 |
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| * RST38h got used to it so much that often tries pressing PGUP (fast-forward in PC versions of emulators) when his laptop gets slow | 00:05 | |
| RST38h | zap: in all of them | 00:05 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: Sounds like it needs to be unfucked. Delete /var/lib/dpkg/info/microb-pageupdown.postinst and replace /usr/lib/microb-engine/chrome/toolkit/content/global/platformHTMLBindings.xml with this one : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/platformHTMLBindings.xml . the file after the update with pageupdown applied. after that, run apt-get -f install | 00:07 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | s/the file after the update with pageupdown applied/that is the file after the update with pageupdown applied | 00:08 |
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| * RST38h writes down the word "unfucked". | 00:09 | |
| RST38h | Anyways, sleep time. | 00:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | liri, fixed. In the future, remember not to hard wrap. :) http://wiki.maemo.org/Installing_PyKaraoke#Configuration | 00:11 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Timidity... I have memories installing that in BeOS for prboom :> | 00:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ssh couldn't be any more laggy | 00:16 |
| * GeneralAntilles stabs snav to death | 00:18 | |
| GeneralAntilles | That worked, anyway, qwerty12_N800. | 00:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Minus snav still being on | 00:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | stop browserd and edit prefs.js. or about:config come think of it. | 00:19 |
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| * lbt plaintively asks if anyone knows about gtkmm show_all not calling show() of a class that overrides a container? | 00:22 | |
| lbt | I think show_all() has been 'optimised' | 00:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, working fine now. | 00:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | This _is_ interesting: initfs-diablo (0.95.15-200819maemo3) unstable; urgency=low | 00:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | New usbflasher without gpl'd code. | 00:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yep just saw | 00:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | That seems to mean Nokia owes us some code, no? | 00:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | someone sue nokia so that someone can write a cal flasher | 00:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 00:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, might be worth asking about it, anyway. | 00:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Download the diablo image off tablets-dev quick before they update it :> | 00:29 |
| * qwerty12_N800 hopes the dsm svn repo on garage is haxed one day. | 00:30 | |
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| jott | qwerty12_N800: you could try to get commit rights to the garage web sites :P | 00:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | jott: hehe, i tried going into the project page but i'm not allowed | 00:32 |
| jott | and accidently comment out some authentication checks :D | 00:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 00:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | where do I sign up? :p | 00:33 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | There are a *lot* of binaries shipped with the system that read CAL. The only source we have that shows that is mce. Useless w/out dsme though. | 00:34 |
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| moontiger | lbt... is show virtual? | 00:39 |
| lbt | do I need to declare it as such? | 00:39 |
| lbt | I'm not an expert c++ | 00:39 |
| moontiger | it should be declared as virtual in the base class afaik | 00:40 |
| lbt | I am declaring a class as class ItemView: public Gtk::HBox | 00:40 |
| moontiger | so it will inherit all methods etc of hbox | 00:40 |
| lbt | http://www.gtkmm.org/docs/gtkmm-2.4/docs/reference/html/classGtk_1_1Widget.html#a791d86a0bb3658e378e81d731dd0121 | 00:41 |
| moontiger | but if the show() isnt marked as virtual in the base afaik it wont call derived functions that overload the base | 00:41 |
| lbt | OK | 00:41 |
| lbt | so the base show_all() won't call my show() | 00:42 |
| moontiger | maybe you have to provide a show_all_vfunc() that gets the call | 00:42 |
| lbt | I then overrode show_all() to call the base show_all() and then my show (which uses logic to hide some widgets) | 00:42 |
| lbt | and then :) | 00:42 |
| lbt | I wrote a show_all_vfunc | 00:43 |
| moontiger | from there you could call your show() func | 00:43 |
| lbt | which was ignored :( | 00:43 |
| lbt | void ItemView::show_all_vfunc() | 00:43 |
| moontiger | you didnt declare yours as virtual tho right? | 00:43 |
| lbt | correct I didn't | 00:43 |
| moontiger | ok hmmmmmmm | 00:43 |
| lbt | yep | 00:44 |
| lbt | the first instantiation I removed all show() calls from my class - including contained widgets | 00:44 |
| lbt | they all appear !! | 00:44 |
| moontiger | and the vfunc isnt called at all? | 00:44 |
| lbt | nope | 00:44 |
| lbt | I've been googling for it | 00:45 |
| moontiger | istead of inheriting from hbox maybe inherit from container? | 00:45 |
| lbt | everything else works fine | 00:46 |
| lbt | and container is a virtual class (?) | 00:46 |
| lbt | abstract | 00:46 |
| lbt | isn't it? | 00:46 |
| lbt | and I'd need Box, not Container... | 00:48 |
| moontiger | im trying to find some info ... brb | 00:53 |
| moontiger | on subclassing :) | 00:53 |
| moontiger | with gtkmm | 00:53 |
| lbt | 'k | 00:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Modest "chagelogs" are a little hilarious: http://p.quinput.eu/debfarm/changelog.html | 00:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Their NB shit is a joke. | 00:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's really insane | 00:56 |
| moontiger | lbt ... do you have to register your new class with gobject? | 00:56 |
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| lbt | I thought the point of gtkmm was simple inheritance.... | 00:56 |
| lbt | happy to try though | 00:57 |
| moontiger | http://library.gnome.org/devel/gobject/unstable/howto-gobject.html | 00:57 |
| moontiger | that talks about subclassing in gtk | 00:57 |
| moontiger | seems like you have to register your new class to get it "seen" | 00:58 |
| lbt | yeah - that's the main reason I went to gtkmm ;) | 00:58 |
| lbt | http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/tutorial/html/ch05s02.html | 00:58 |
| moontiger | apparently you still have to do some of that | 00:58 |
| lbt | eww | 00:59 |
| lbt | what? | 00:59 |
| moontiger | wow thats ugly | 01:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, I'm tempted to compile a "List of Shame" of all the Nokia engineers in that list who've made "changelogs" that mention NB# without any more information. ;) | 01:00 |
| lbt | bear in mind that this app is 99.99% working - the only quirk appears to be a show/hide issue which I'm beginning to suspect is a bug in some optimisation somewhere... | 01:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: You should. FFS, they are keeping bugs hidden for a open source product. | 01:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol: osso-af-startup (1.66-4) unstable; urgency=low * mkdir -p the f0rking /var/tmp directory, because, /apparently/, it doesn't exist. Halleluja! | 01:02 |
| moontiger | http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk-tutorial/stable/x2191.html | 01:02 |
| moontiger | lbt that looks promising | 01:02 |
| moontiger | im reading it now | 01:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Nokia's idea of open source is bullshit. Pussies are even scared to open source the memory applet. | 01:03 |
| lbt | that's all the C/Gtk+ stuff though - why do you think it is relevant? | 01:04 |
| lbt | ... just asking :) | 01:04 |
| * qwerty12_N800 wants to add support for quickly making a swap file on mmc1. ke-recv supports enabling swap off mmc1. | 01:05 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I really want to destroy the "competitive advantage" argument by getting all of the closed-source Nokia UI stuff replaced with much more useful open source alternatives. | 01:06 |
| * GeneralAntilles started with the Backlight and Volume applets. | 01:06 | |
| lbt | GeneralAntilles: doesn't the kernel source provide some hints for the battery stuff? | 01:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, I'm more interested in * applets and the like | 01:08 |
| moontiger | lbt ... just seeing how the gtkmm stuff works under the hood | 01:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll leave the low-level stuff to other people. | 01:08 |
| moontiger | the vfunc ... is there a func called "on_show_all()" | 01:08 |
| moontiger | to handle the event? | 01:08 |
| lbt | err | 01:09 |
| lbt | Widget doesn't declare on_show_all | 01:10 |
| lbt | and nor do I | 01:10 |
| lbt | there is : virtual void Gtk::Widget::on_show | 01:10 |
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| yacoob | Hello there. | 01:10 |
| yacoob | Does wizard-mounter works on OS2008? I can't seem to find the packages with portmap and kernel modules anywhere :( | 01:11 |
| lbt | hi yacoob - don't suppose you're shit hot at gtkmm are you? | 01:11 |
| * yacoob checks | 01:12 | |
| yacoob | ...nope. | 01:12 |
| yacoob | :P | 01:12 |
| lbt | yacoob: dunno about wizard mounter - I ported autofs the other night. I compiled up the various nfs modules - dead easy. | 01:14 |
| lbt | nfs-common has portmap AFAIK | 01:14 |
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| lbt | I'm busy atm but if you're around tomorrow then I may be able to help... | 01:15 |
| moontiger | lbt ... can you get the event mask for your widget and see if its handling the draw events? | 01:15 |
| yacoob | I'm just a bit suprised that they've added smb to file dialog... | 01:15 |
| lbt | moontiger: lets make sure we're on the same page :) | 01:15 |
| yacoob | ...but not to the system. | 01:15 |
| yacoob | and yes, I think I saw kernel modules including smb in other package, but I'd like to have a nice gui for mounting :) | 01:16 |
| yacoob | (hm, I can force dependencies...) | 01:16 |
| moontiger | lbt... if your widget isnt responding to show_all() right? | 01:16 |
| lbt | I've got a class subclassing hbox. The class contains a label, button and some more boxes. I pack up the components into the hbox/class | 01:17 |
| lbt | according to application state I *may* hide or show the composite widget | 01:17 |
| moontiger | right | 01:17 |
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| lbt | the very first time I show the widget, *all* the composite parts show | 01:17 |
| moontiger | ok | 01:18 |
| lbt | thereafter they hide/show correctly | 01:18 |
| lbt | the first time involves the hildon window doing a show_all | 01:18 |
| * moontiger makes notes... | 01:18 | |
| lbt | now, if I remove *all* show() calls (including the composite parts) | 01:19 |
| lbt | they *still* show | 01:19 |
| lbt | !!! | 01:19 |
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| moontiger | they show just by calling show_all() on the parent container? | 01:19 |
| lbt | 'tell you what - I'll publish the code... | 01:19 |
| Pavlz | hello | 01:19 |
| moontiger | ok | 01:19 |
| lbt | yes | 01:19 |
| moontiger | hey Pavlz :) | 01:20 |
| lbt | the parent container has a show() which uses application state to decide if it should show. | 01:20 |
| Pavlz | i finished now to write to the vice president of usa | 01:20 |
| moontiger | the show_all() must be calling the individual show() functions itself | 01:20 |
| moontiger | there is that "shaow_all_children(bool)" function | 01:21 |
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| Pavlz | is impossible that in the usa noboby say where : my aunt, his husband and my cousins are actually, they started 20 years ago from Naples | 01:22 |
| moontiger | i would imagine that is iterating over the containers children and calling "show()" on them | 01:22 |
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| Pavlz | now remain only fbi, cia and nsa | 01:23 |
| moontiger | Pavlz, whats the problem? | 01:23 |
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| lbt | is the wiki down? | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, not here | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe ferenc just restarted it | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seems faster than usual, actually. | 01:27 |
| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 01:28 |
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| lbt | could be my cache I guess - is that page there for you | 01:29 |
| lbt | the rest of the wiki seems OK : | 01:29 |
| lbt | :) | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, it's there for me | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cached blank page? | 01:29 |
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| moontiger | lbt ... shift-refresh | 01:29 |
| moontiger | *always* does that to me too | 01:29 |
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| lbt | ah - was doing ctrl-refresh... | 01:30 |
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| lbt | ah - at last.. hmm something odd... never mind :) | 01:31 |
| moontiger | :) | 01:32 |
| moontiger | GeneralAntilles, btw the auto-builder is really cool :) | 01:32 |
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| lbt | that's the problem when I make notes on how to do things off my LAN :) | 01:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it's a nice thing to have around | 01:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's especially helpful in cleaning up Extras. | 01:33 |
| feingarden | Is this the proper forum to ask questions about DosBox installation problems on a 770 w/ OS2006, or is this a development only room? | 01:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | This is everything Maemo | 01:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just don't expect everybody here to know the answer to everything at all times. ;) | 01:33 |
| yacoob | judging from the comments on the forum, the packages are simply gone. Woe upon me! :) | 01:35 |
| moontiger | lbt... if i can see the code you're talking about i *might* be able to help ... c++ is my fave language but im new to gtkmm and gtk | 01:36 |
| feingarden | No worries. I have just reflashed my 770 after several failed attempts to install DosBox and I was hoping to try again while this resource was available to help w/ problems. Mainly package issues, I think, but I confess that I'm no developer. | 01:37 |
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| lbt | well, this is my 'get back into it' - so I've never really done C++ and this is my first ever gtk/gtkmm code :) | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://pupnik.de/dosbox.html | 01:38 |
| moontiger | heh then between the 2 of us we might be able to f*** it up even better! ;) | 01:38 |
| lbt | :) | 01:39 |
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| moontiger | im going to be writing a c gtk app for the nit next so its all good stuff to get into | 01:41 |
| lbt | well, seriously - use c++ if you have any choice | 01:41 |
| lbt | gtk+ will make you very miserable if you like C++ | 01:41 |
| lbt | and actually gtkmm is pretty nice | 01:42 |
| moontiger | but the c++ bindings are an extra download for the nit no? | 01:43 |
| moontiger | makes the app "bigger" | 01:44 |
| lbt | not so's you'd notice | 01:44 |
| yacoob | hm... ITOS2008 != OS2008? | 01:44 |
| lbt | and there are enough apps using it now... | 01:44 |
| lbt | try installing shopper from extras-devel | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | yacoob, s/!=/==/ | 01:45 |
| yacoob | GeneralAntilles, ok, just wanted to make sure. Then I don't know where on earth authors of wizard-mount found the packages for 2008 :( | 01:46 |
| moontiger | what are you writing? | 01:46 |
| lbt | moontiger: me? | 01:47 |
| moontiger | yes | 01:47 |
| lbt | shopper :) | 01:47 |
| moontiger | ohhhhhhhhhhh .... *goes to install it* | 01:47 |
| lbt | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/shopper/ | 01:47 |
| moontiger | i have the extras-devel repo so its in the AM | 01:48 |
| moontiger | says it will use 3.61mb | 01:48 |
| lbt | mmm - I have an 8Gb SD card... | 01:51 |
| lbt | wait 'til you get some Qt apps :) | 01:51 |
| Mek | (or kde ones! :P) | 01:52 |
| Mek | I could just fit enough of my kde packages on the default rootfs to be able to run plasma :) | 01:52 |
| feingarden | GeneralAntilles - No prerequisites? This is a squeaky-clean, freshly installed OS, no bells, no whistles. | 01:52 |
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| moontiger | lbt, thats why i wont be using qt apps | 01:54 |
| moontiger | until qt is in the rom | 01:54 |
| lbt | you'll like it when you do | 01:54 |
| lbt | but although Qt is fairly new to the nit, it's pretty well established. | 01:55 |
| moontiger | i used to use kde a lot | 01:55 |
| * lcuk will use whatever gives the crispest performance | 01:55 | |
| moontiger | and i played with kdevelop | 01:55 |
| moontiger | and qt | 01:55 |
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| moontiger | dont really like the look of qt apps altho the libs are really quite nice | 01:56 |
| lcuk | you choose the style i believe | 01:56 |
| moontiger | yes it is themed but i just never found a theme i liked | 01:57 |
| lbt | according to some recent posts the visual style should be the same | 01:57 |
| lbt | for 'hildon' | 01:57 |
| moontiger | hmmmmmmm then that would be nice | 01:57 |
| moontiger | but its a very large lib install | 01:57 |
| lcuk | so is a reflash | 01:57 |
| moontiger | the demo app in the repos is 7+mb | 01:57 |
| lcuk | thats tiny in real terms, dont reject it before we see what it has to offer :) | 01:58 |
| moontiger | well the nit only has 256mb storage | 01:58 |
| moontiger | half of which gets eaten anyways | 01:58 |
| lcuk | and if a whole generation of apps comes across and uses the libraries we wont need as much space for the old stuff | 01:58 |
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| moontiger | true dat | 01:59 |
| lcuk | it works in the long run :) | 01:59 |
| lbt | OK - my code is now here : https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=721 | 01:59 |
| moontiger | i mean its cool if we switch over to qt as the base ... but having both seems a little daft on a nit | 01:59 |
| lbt | shopperView.cc contains the problem widget | 01:59 |
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| lbt | MainWindow::create_list_view is where it is called | 02:00 |
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| lcuk | lbt, you have seen liqbase, i currently save away all new sketches automatically and named to reflect, i dont like to ever over write anything, but i know this is inpractical. do you trust your users to make backups of the shopping list and stuff | 02:00 |
| yacoob | uh... ssh connection to the tablet freezes ever so often :( | 02:00 |
| lbt | I've thrown it at the autobuilder | 02:00 |
| lbt | lcuk: I give them file->save | 02:00 |
| lbt | :D | 02:01 |
| lcuk | but for the sketching thats long winded, in draw out | 02:01 |
| lbt | (I also save on exit) | 02:01 |
| lbt | (and open on startup) | 02:01 |
| feingarden | Okay, first attempt at DosBox install gives error that packages are missing, specifically libasound2 and libsdl-net1.2. Which repository is the best source for those? | 02:01 |
| moontiger | i use sqlite :) | 02:01 |
| lcuk | i like the way the wikis work, but this cannot be implimented without a database properly | 02:01 |
| lbt | you need to provide some management - some sketches need binning | 02:01 |
| lcuk | and i want to share small subset folders without needing an extract | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | yacoob, wifi PSM | 02:02 |
| lbt | versioning? | 02:02 |
| lcuk | thats true, and any can be removed | 02:02 |
| lcuk | but i keep history | 02:02 |
| lbt | git | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Turn it off and kill your battery life or keep something network-related running on the other side. | 02:02 |
| lcuk | well this is kinda what im thinking about | 02:02 |
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| lcuk | the evolution of a set of related sketches sounds afwully like the evolution of a set of source files | 02:02 |
| lcuk | and the way they link together and are used in the project needs tracking | 02:03 |
| lbt | octopus merges | 02:03 |
| lcuk | just looking.. | 02:03 |
| yacoob | GeneralAntilles, I just wonder whether tcpkeepalives would help here. If tablet gets traffic, it won't turn off the wireless... | 02:03 |
| lbt | well, I've had a good night - I've fixed all my known crash bugs in shopper - a few other useability ones and just have the one left which is a bit of a pain... | 02:04 |
| lcuk | great stuff! | 02:05 |
| lcuk | thanks for this pointer, looks like ill be reading for some time :) | 02:05 |
| lbt | so lets see if autobuilder does 3.3-buggy1 for the morning and I'll hit it again when I'm fresh... | 02:05 |
| lcuk | bank holiday tomorrow? | 02:05 |
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| * lcuk doesnt know where you are | 02:05 | |
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| lbt | you need a proper linux box so you can play with git and some of the other stuff | 02:06 |
| lbt | I'm in Reading - so yes | 02:06 |
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| lbt | (you have a bad memory mcr boy) | 02:06 |
| lcuk | yes i know and ive setup the laptop now so will be doing more on it in the next couple of weeks | 02:06 |
| lbt | gitk I think is the gui - quite helpful to see git repos | 02:07 |
| lcuk | yer ill have a look, it does seem like what i want, or would at least recommend using when configuring sketch groups | 02:08 |
| lcuk | yes! just like a standard source editor doesnt care, as long as i think in terms of versioning and inform the operator as such i just say "bleugh and write over everything | 02:09 |
| moontiger | lbt i'll look thru the sources more later today ... looks ... complicated :) | 02:09 |
| lcuk | moontiger, have you ever been shopping, its serious business. they move stuff around on purpose. | 02:10 |
| moontiger | hehe yes i go often ... and they move stuff to increase impulse buying | 02:10 |
| moontiger | its careful psychology | 02:10 |
| lcuk | yes cos without shopper you forget what you want | 02:10 |
| lcuk | and depending upon hunger levels you impulse buy the bacon and tomatoes for some reason | 02:11 |
| moontiger | hahahaha | 02:11 |
| * moontiger is vegetarian | 02:11 | |
| lcuk | its only bacon, i thought that was like your candy? | 02:11 |
| moontiger | naaaaaa i dont eat animals ... animals are friends not food! | 02:12 |
| moontiger | ;) | 02:12 |
| lcuk | lardman has converted me. i have seen the light and it has a smoked aroma | 02:12 |
| Pavlz | ltb if you want to enjoy with a GNU/linux box take the gp2x | 02:12 |
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| moontiger | hehehe | 02:15 |
| moontiger | Pavlz, what were you saying about cousins and aunts? | 02:15 |
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| Pavlz | that your country does not say which end they did | 02:17 |
| Pavlz | is impossible | 02:17 |
| moontiger | Pavlz, not my country ... im just visiting | 02:18 |
| moontiger | you mean how they died? | 02:18 |
| Pavlz | no | 02:19 |
| Pavlz | i need only and address or a zip, and i find him | 02:19 |
| moontiger | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh | 02:20 |
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| moontiger | well they have privacy laws here | 02:20 |
| Pavlz | i find the broker ball of viagra | 02:20 |
| moontiger | have you tried googleing them? | 02:20 |
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| Pavlz | and i gave to the fbi | 02:20 |
| Pavlz | we too have privacy | 02:21 |
| Pavlz | but are my cousins and aunt | 02:22 |
| moontiger | im not understanding you properly ... im sorry :| | 02:22 |
| moontiger | well anybody can say they are cousins and aunt | 02:22 |
| Pavlz | it seems not so easy | 02:22 |
| Pavlz | all beginned 1 month ago | 02:23 |
| moontiger | they moved here? | 02:23 |
| Pavlz | and usa are not able to find people | 02:23 |
| moontiger | well it is a big place | 02:23 |
| Pavlz | 20 years ago are arrived in USA | 02:23 |
| moontiger | ok | 02:23 |
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| Pavlz | i take contact with whitehouse.gov | 02:24 |
| moontiger | you are trying to get in contact with them yes? | 02:24 |
| Pavlz | with american embassy in rome (italy) | 02:24 |
| Pavlz | with italian embassy in wdc | 02:24 |
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| Pavlz | and with ministero degli esteri (italia) | 02:25 |
| Pavlz | i waith only a reply from vice pesident of usa | 02:25 |
| moontiger | Pavlz, what are u trying to do? | 02:25 |
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| Pavlz | to contact them | 02:26 |
| moontiger | ahhhhhhhhhh finally right | 02:26 |
| moontiger | and u have no address? | 02:26 |
| Pavlz | no | 02:26 |
| moontiger | and u cant find them | 02:26 |
| moontiger | have u tried google? | 02:26 |
| Pavlz | yes | 02:26 |
| moontiger | what state did they live in? | 02:26 |
| Pavlz | i don't know | 02:27 |
| Pavlz | this must to know usa | 02:27 |
| moontiger | ok i have to go out for half hour | 02:27 |
| moontiger | brb | 02:27 |
| Pavlz | not i, they pay tax, they say where they live | 02:27 |
| Pavlz | ok | 02:28 |
| Pavlz | we wait here | 02:28 |
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| Pavlz | google is a censorship | 02:42 |
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| Pavlz | i tried to use httP://google.us and it redirect to http://google.it | 02:43 |
| Pavlz | max i got was http://google.com | 02:44 |
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| jga23 | anybody know if the tekkeon tek charge has an adaptor for the n810? | 02:53 |
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| lcuk | does anyone know why this works: echo "hello error world" | perl -p -e 's/error/\e[31merror\e[0m/' but then make | perl -p -e 's/error/\e[31merror\e[0m/' doesnt | 03:01 |
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| Grackle_ | make's errors are being printed to stderr, not stdout | 03:03 |
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| lcuk | ahhh Grackle_, thanks - do you know how i can redirect them so that would work? | 03:03 |
| Grackle_ | you need to redirect stderr (see google, i forget how) | 03:03 |
| lcuk | heh thanks im lookin | 03:04 |
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| lcuk | excellent Grackle_ thanks for the pointer: make 2>&1 | perl -p -e 's/error/\e[31merror\e[0m/' works as expected | 03:08 |
| Grackle_ | ah, good. you're welcome. | 03:08 |
| moontiger | Pavlz, so why dont they get in touch with you | 03:15 |
| moontiger | ? | 03:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Pure awesome: http://www.tabletscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90 | 03:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless, ping. | 03:34 |
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| pupnik | GeneralAntilles: how new is that tabletscene site? Never heard of it | 03:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Month-ish? | 03:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's krisse and Reggie's baby | 03:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Intended for "newbies-only" | 03:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Read: welcome to the Ubuntu forums where questions either get no answer or bad answers. :\ | 03:40 |
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| Jucato | good day/evening! I don't know if this is the right place to ask this: How long is the N800 going to be supported? I mean, for example, how long will future ITOS releases work on it? (latest is OS2008 right?) | 03:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should be through Fremantle. | 03:59 |
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| Jucato | when is Freemantle to be released? (sorry, not really familiar with the codenames :) | 04:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There's no date | 04:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Call it somewhere in the Q4 2008-Q2 2009 range | 04:08 |
| Jucato | aaah | 04:10 |
| Jucato | thanks :) | 04:10 |
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| hircus | anyone knows a place to download stable tarballs of libhildon, etc.? | 04:40 |
| hircus | (Debian and Ubuntu have them, but do not indicate where the upstream URL is) | 04:41 |
| Mek | apt-get source ...? | 04:41 |
| hircus | Mek: well yes. but I want to package it for Fedora. | 04:41 |
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| hircus | Let people experiment with targeting Hildon without having to install the full SDK. e.g. to use MonoDevelop's Vala support for development | 04:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/libh/libhildon/ | 04:46 |
| jott | hircus: ...and https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/ | 04:46 |
| hircus | GeneralAntilles: thanks | 04:47 |
| hircus | jott: that works too, but I probably don't want to deal with SVN snapshots | 04:47 |
| jott | they also have tags - but you asked for the upstream url :) | 04:48 |
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| hircus | jott: indeed. I think there's a movement for Linux distributions to integrate directly with upstream's version control, but sadly we're not there yet | 04:52 |
| gregorovius | Hi. l installed a kernel with rotation and l'm not using it. l'm wondering how can l go back to the stock kernel. | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure, but there isn't a whole lot of point to it. | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just: flasher-3.0 -F <FIASCO image> --flash-only=kernel -R | 04:57 |
| gregorovius | (l used the sliderotate package) | 04:57 |
| gregorovius | well, i left my tablet overnight and found it with a dead battery... not sure if that was it, but anyway i'm not using the rotation. | 04:59 |
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| feingarden | Looking for libasound2 for OS version 3.2006.49-2. Any repository suggestions? | 04:59 |
| gregorovius | where do i get "fiasco image"? | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flashing | 04:59 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | It wasn't rotation | 05:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It was something eating your CPU | 05:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like, say, a broken home applet | 05:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | or similar. | 05:00 |
| gregorovius | i only have weather, radio and search | 05:00 |
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| gregorovius | i also have the cpu monitor tray applet to check if a process is eating up all the cpu | 05:01 |
| gregorovius | i don't remember if i checked lastight, though | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Internal card could also be corrupted | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the external card, too. | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Stock_answers#Power_management | 05:03 |
| gregorovius | it seems to be working fine, how could i check? | 05:03 |
| feingarden | Found libasound2 libraries on pupnik, but all versions give me "Unable to install. Incompatible package." message. Any help? | 05:04 |
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| gregorovius | GeneralAntilles, those instructions require a PC, isn't there a way to do it directly on the tablet? | 05:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | gregorovius, erm | 05:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, yeah | 05:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | But you need to get the kernel image first | 05:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Honestly, it's really not that important | 05:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Leaving rotation installed doesn't do anything | 05:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | and, who knows, you may find yourself needing it at some point and wishing you had it. | 05:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Assuming you can get a kernel image, then a: fiasco-flasher -k <zImage> -f | 05:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | will work. | 05:26 |
| gregorovius | may be, i usually tend to uninstall whatever i find myself not using, but'll take your word this time =) | 05:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not a size issue, it's not a stability issue, it's not an anything issue | 05:27 |
| gregorovius | the more anything, the more something can go wrong... | 05:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not in this case | 05:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can explain in more detail about why it's going to be a pain to get the kernel image (especially without a PC, as you seem not to have), but I'm not gonna invest the effort unless you're really interested. | 05:28 |
| gregorovius | no, it's ok, i can get a pc tomorrow, i thought it would be simple. thanks. | 05:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | The procedure isn't particularly difficult | 05:30 |
| jott | gregorovius: fwiw, if you use diablo you could do apt-get --reinstall kernel-diablo-flasher && flash-and-reboot | 05:30 |
| gregorovius | maybe the battery thing was an isolated event... i've had a few spontaneous reboots as well lately | 05:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | But getting the kernel image is a bit of a catch-22 situation | 05:30 |
| jott | still i don't see any particular need. | 05:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | jott, would --reinstall actually do it? | 05:30 |
| * GeneralAntilles makes a not. | 05:30 | |
| GeneralAntilles | s/not/note/ | 05:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | gregorovius, whatever the battery issue was, it wasn't related to rotation. :) | 05:31 |
| gregorovius | jott, i am running diablo. so that's it? | 05:31 |
| * GeneralAntilles takes back what he said about a catch-22 | 05:31 | |
| jott | gregorovius: maybe do a apt-get clean before to make sure it's the package from the repository. | 05:31 |
| jott | gregorovius: so apt-get clean && apt-get --reinstall kernel-diablo-flasher && flash-and-reboot | 05:32 |
| * GeneralAntilles iz still apt nub | 05:33 | |
| jott | better have power connected while do so. | 05:33 |
| * jott is a hildon application manager noob :D | 05:34 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 05:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | That one I'm OK with. ;) | 05:34 |
| lcuk | is an eternal-n00b | 05:34 |
| lcuk | :D omg i even forgot /me | 05:34 |
| gregorovius | heh, ok, l'll give it a shot, thanks | 05:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | jott's method will do it for you. | 05:35 |
| Grackle_ | i kinda wished the nit just used ipkg. apt isn't really used properly, and ipkg would be a lot simpler for new devs | 05:35 |
| jott | Grackle_: install mamona :) | 05:37 |
| Grackle_ | http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BuildingIpkgs wee it is easy | 05:38 |
| Grackle_ | jott, really? cool. | 05:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody with an N810 want to reproduce this? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3632 | 05:38 |
| gregorovius | # apt-get --reinstall kernel-diablo-flasher && flash-and-reboot | 05:38 |
| Mek | Grackle_: ipkg files aren't significantly different from deb files... | 05:38 |
| jott | Grackle_: mamona is openembedded based | 05:38 |
| gregorovius | E: Invalid operation kernel-diablo-flasher | 05:39 |
| jott | oooh | 05:39 |
| Mek | Grackle_: only the meaning of some fields is different I think, the format is the same | 05:39 |
| jott | gregorovius: sorry, missed an install | 05:39 |
| jott | apt-get --reinstall install kernel-diablo-flasher | 05:39 |
| Grackle_ | oh, very cool indeed. | 05:39 |
| gregorovius | gotcha | 05:39 |
| Grackle_ | Mek, but the build and management system is simplified. | 05:40 |
| gregorovius | The following packages have unmet dependencies. | 05:40 |
| gregorovius | osso-software-version-rx34: Depends: kernel-diablo-flasher (= 2.6.21-200829maemo1) but 2.6.21-200823maemo3 is to be installed | 05:40 |
| jott | wooo! | 05:40 |
| gregorovius | weird | 05:41 |
| jott | indeed. | 05:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Weird one indeed. | 05:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | You installed the SSU update successfully, right? | 05:41 |
| gregorovius | yeah | 05:41 |
| jott | apt-get --reinstall install kernel-diablo-flasher=2.6.21-200829maemo1 | 05:41 |
| jott | ah | 05:41 |
| jott | hmmm | 05:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2.6.21-200823maemo3 shouldn't even be AVAILABLE in 30-2, actually. | 05:42 |
| jott | it's probably messed up with the diablo-1 stuff. | 05:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | 05:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | then: slexy.org | 05:42 |
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| gregorovius | http://slexy.org/view/s21WugOK2K | 05:45 |
| jott | man nokia screwed up here. | 05:45 |
| gregorovius | why so? | 05:46 |
| gregorovius | (tablet noob here) | 05:46 |
| jott | the kernel is in the /diablo/ repository not in the /diablo-1/ repository | 05:46 |
| jott | (which was changed after the ssu) | 05:46 |
| jott | another reason to hate this -1 concept | 05:46 |
| gregorovius | should i change it back? | 05:47 |
| jott | yes, change it back, do an apt-get update - install the package and change it back to -1 | 05:47 |
| gregorovius | hm, app manager doesn't let me. mc to the rescue! | 05:48 |
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| * GeneralAntilles is waiting for m-vo to get back from vacation to discuss that bit of nonsense. | 05:49 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Having a single upgrade repo was going to be so simple | 05:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | it worked fine during the Diablo pre-release period | 05:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why'd they have to cock it up so badly now that they hit a release? | 05:49 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 05:49 | |
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| jott | gregorovius: after setting setting it back to diablo-1 do an apt-get update again. | 05:50 |
| gregorovius | back to diablo-1? | 05:50 |
| jott | yes, after you installed the kernel change it back to diablo-1 | 05:51 |
| jott | otherwise the next ssu probably breaks. | 05:51 |
| gregorovius | argh, okay | 05:51 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: they should atleast put all packages that are currently installed into diablo-1 | 05:52 |
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| gregorovius | mkay, wish me luck... hopefully brb | 05:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | jott, yeah, at a minimum. | 05:54 |
| * GeneralAntilles is hoping his "Nokia fails at changelogs" email will generate more noise by Monday. | 05:55 | |
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| pupnik | sometimes i almost drop the N810 and think i'll get a heart attack | 05:58 |
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| Grackle_ | I would like to take an oop course this coming semester. :/ | 06:00 |
| lcuk | pupnik, i have a big red sketch in my system saying "omg i dropped my nokia" | 06:00 |
| gregorovius | well it seems to be alright. advanced- backlight still thinks i've got rotation though | 06:00 |
| * Grackle_ ventures into oop on his own... *woosh* | 06:01 | |
| jott | gregorovius: that's because you have the xserver installed | 06:01 |
| jott | the modified | 06:01 |
| Grackle_ | pupnik: ive droppes my n800. the battery shot out across the floor, but it was otherwise ok. | 06:02 |
| gregorovius | can i reinstall that as well? | 06:02 |
| jott | gregorovius: yes package is xserver-xomap and again it's in /diablo/ not /diablo-1/ *grr* | 06:02 |
| pupnik | the 770 is extremely robust. i love that | 06:03 |
| gregorovius | ok, i haven't changed it back yet | 06:03 |
| jott | pupnik: i sometimes think one of our cats throws it the ground when i leave it on the stand and go out :) | 06:04 |
| jott | sometimes i walk back and put it in the pouch :) | 06:04 |
| Grackle_ | pupnik: i would prefer the 800 hardware in the 770 case | 06:04 |
| jott | or put it in my pocket :) | 06:04 |
| * jott could not live without a hw keyboard | 06:05 | |
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| Grackle_ | hmm, how similar is the hardware. is that possible? >.> | 06:05 |
| Grackle_ | jott: i've gotten much better at using the onscreen thunb keyboard. nothing teaches typing like irc | 06:06 |
| Grackle_ | of course, i still make mistakes. :P | 06:07 |
| jott | Grackle_: yes but i use xterm alot and i could not stand 90% of the screen wasted ;) | 06:07 |
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| * Grackle_ wishes for iphone-style spelling correction | 06:07 | |
| GeneralAntilles | The 770 doesn't have room for stereo | 06:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | The iPhone's spelling correction only succeeds in pissing me the hell off. | 06:08 |
| Grackle_ | jott: oh, too true | 06:08 |
| Grackle_ | haha ga | 06:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It "corrects" it to WRONG half the time | 06:08 |
| gregorovius | jott, i did apt-get -reinstall install xserver-xomap, but still the same, advanced-backlight shows the rotate icons | 06:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | and since it's not 100% right, you always have to pay attention to it | 06:09 |
| Grackle_ | well, ill rephrase: i wish the nit would magically correct my mistakes :) | 06:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | which slows me down a lot. | 06:09 |
| jott | gregorovius: hmmm strange. | 06:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | --reinstall | 06:09 |
| gregorovius | typo | 06:09 |
| Grackle_ | meh i just blast through and let peop figure out my mistakes | 06:09 |
| Grackle_ | unless theyre really bad | 06:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, the flash timeless.justdave.net is empty. . . . | 06:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/the flash // | 06:10 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Hrm, timeless.justdave.net is empty. . . . | 06:10 |
| jott | man apt-get | 06:11 |
| Grackle_ | ;) | 06:11 |
| gregorovius | might have to remove xrandr? | 06:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | xrandr is shipped by default | 06:11 |
| gregorovius | Depends: python2.5-runtime, xrandr (>= 1:1.2.2-0), xserver-xomap (= 1:1.3.99.0~git20070321-0osso20074202), libxrandr2 (>=2:1.2.1-1), xmodmap, flash-and-reboot | 06:12 |
| gregorovius | oh, hold on, i hadn't removed the sliderotate repo | 06:19 |
| gregorovius | # apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xomap | 06:19 |
| gregorovius | Reinstallation of xserver-xomap is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. | 06:19 |
| gregorovius | wth? | 06:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | dialbo-1/ ? | 06:20 |
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| jott | make sure you have the diablo instead of diablo-1 repo :) maybe after reboot it was changed back automatically by the ham statusbar thingy :) | 06:20 |
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| jott | (and then apt-get update ) | 06:20 |
| gregorovius | oh, you're right... damn automation =) | 06:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be nice when they start consulting the community on things like this in, oh, about 5 years. *g* | 06:22 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: well maybe the summit will help to improve things. | 06:23 |
| gregorovius | brb | 06:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, we're moving in a positive direction | 06:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | and Fremantle will have alpha and beta releases. | 06:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I just wish Nokia could pull their head of out their ass just a TOUCH more quickly. . . . | 06:24 |
| ShadowJK | Such is the way of big corporations | 06:25 |
| jott | yeah well it's a big company. :/ | 06:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Blessing and a curse | 06:25 |
| ShadowJK | I wonder why the decided to ditch the "Tube" name that the press had been hyping and marketing for them for free for months | 06:25 |
| ShadowJK | why they* | 06:25 |
| ShadowJK | for example | 06:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because it's retarded? | 06:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | and Nokia isn't Motorola? :P | 06:26 |
| ShadowJK | they could quote that alaskan senator in their marketing | 06:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably trademarked, anyway. | 06:26 |
| gregorovius | well, that didn't work | 06:27 |
| gregorovius | not a big deal, thanks all | 06:27 |
| jott | hehe i bet some insane nokia marketing guys insist on naming all devices by numbers :p | 06:28 |
| jott | "naah tube is bad, name it 5800 that's consistent with our other product lines" | 06:29 |
| jott | gregorovius: still rotation in advanced-backlight?! | 06:30 |
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| gregorovius | jott, yeah | 06:31 |
| ShadowJK | their non-marketing model numbers are cooler | 06:31 |
| jott | gregorovius: it did download *and* install the xserver?! | 06:32 |
| manyoso | hmm, i wonder if openpandora device will have capacitive or resistive touch screen... | 06:33 |
| pupnik | there has been no mention of multi-touch yet | 06:35 |
| pupnik | it's an ugly beast, but i will have to get one | 06:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't imagine it not being resistive | 06:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I hope I have the cash to get a Pandora, too. | 06:36 |
| manyoso | GeneralAntilles: yes, you are probably right | 06:36 |
| manyoso | i really want a capacitive touch screen device though | 06:36 |
| pupnik | why? | 06:36 |
| manyoso | so can only hope | 06:36 |
| manyoso | pupnik: because it makes app development for some features so much easier and more responsive | 06:36 |
| ShadowJK | I just wish I could make my idea of where the stylus is, and the touch screen's idea of where the stylus is, consistent from day to day :-) | 06:37 |
| ShadowJK | (yes I know there's calibrate, but that doesn't help when my own idea of where the stylus is also drifts) | 06:37 |
| manyoso | i don't want stylus anymore :) | 06:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, Nokia managed to find the cheapest touch panels imaginable | 06:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd be a bit impressed if it weren't so pathetic. | 06:38 |
| derf | It also depends a lot on the angle you hold the tablet at. | 06:38 |
| Grackle_ | haha | 06:38 |
| ShadowJK | also dark/light? | 06:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Capacitive is too expensive for the Pandora, I think. | 06:39 |
| manyoso | most likely | 06:39 |
| manyoso | hard to have that without subsidizing with cellphone contracts | 06:39 |
| * GeneralAntilles would like to get Maemo running on the Pandora. | 06:39 | |
| ShadowJK | cellphone contracts don't make anything cheaper :/ | 06:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | "cellphone payment plan" ;) | 06:40 |
| pupnik | i'm happy for any new linux device really | 06:40 |
| derf | Really, the touchscreen concerns me much less than the quality of the keyboard. If they had managed to make the keys any more clumsy or hard to press, I'd have been even more impressed than GA. | 06:40 |
| Grackle_ | does the pandora have accelerometers? | 06:40 |
| pupnik | no | 06:40 |
| ShadowJK | it's just a fancy way to buy a handset on credit, and make comparison between different plans nearly impossible as a side-effect... | 06:40 |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't want an N810. | 06:40 | |
| derf | It's not like the buttons on the N800 are any better. | 06:41 |
| ShadowJK | derf, yes. The qwerty on their E70 and 6820 were much better | 06:41 |
| manyoso | well, thing I want most fixed in next N series device is the #($&#&(*%&$ screen tearing | 06:41 |
| derf | There's just fewer of them. | 06:41 |
| ShadowJK | screen tearing? | 06:41 |
| pupnik | it will be manyoso | 06:41 |
| Grackle_ | worst keyboard award goes to the olpc | 06:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | manyoso, that's fixed automagically by OMAP3. | 06:41 |
| manyoso | that's what i here | 06:41 |
| ShadowJK | Oh like vsync type tearing? | 06:41 |
| Grackle_ | it is unimaginably bad | 06:41 |
| manyoso | and the performance of xrender will also be automagically fixed i hope | 06:42 |
| manyoso | ShadowJK: yes | 06:42 |
| Grackle_ | how-did-this-pass-design-phase bad. | 06:42 |
| manyoso | yes | 06:42 |
| manyoso | hard to believe | 06:42 |
| pupnik | are you interested in helping with some game/emu ports manyoso ? | 06:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Grackle_, we're keeping the 3rd world children from catching up too much be making it so they can't type. ;) | 06:42 |
| manyoso | pupnik: don't have time unfortunately | 06:42 |
| Grackle_ | haha, i guess so. | 06:42 |
| manyoso | jott: this is weird! when i compile my Qt app with -02 optimization setting it segfaults | 06:43 |
| manyoso | compiling without -0N option and it works fine | 06:43 |
| jott | manyoso: strange. | 06:43 |
| manyoso | what's more, Qt is compiled with -02 and it works | 06:43 |
| manyoso | and the crash happens in the X server!! | 06:44 |
| jott | yes. well gcc 3.4.4 has it's serious bugs :) | 06:44 |
| manyoso | it happens as a result of QMainWindow::show() | 06:44 |
| manyoso | just weird | 06:44 |
| manyoso | i wonder if anyone else has this | 06:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, there's 10 hours of LotR done | 06:44 |
| * manyoso eats now | 06:44 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Oh hell, they've got Spider-Man on next? | 06:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn you, TNT! | 06:47 |
| Grackle_ | >.> | 06:48 |
| Grackle_ | i have watched almost no tv since i came home from college | 06:49 |
| Grackle_ | my roommate had the tv on all the time | 06:49 |
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| Grackle_ | on mtv mostly :X | 06:49 |
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| Grackle_ | luckily my new roommate is a quiet gamer | 06:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 06:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just DVR everything I usually want to watch | 06:51 |
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| Grackle_ | i use bittorent, but it's a similar idea | 06:53 |
| * Grackle_ was watching bsg religiously but then stopped for some reason | 06:54 | |
| moontiger | Grackle, *laughs* | 06:54 |
| Grackle_ | dont like bsg? | 06:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | BSG has a weird tone to it that throws me off | 06:55 |
| Grackle_ | I loved it. | 06:56 |
| Grackle_ | I think I just got sick of TV. | 06:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | MXR is down. :\ | 06:56 |
| ShadowJK | bsg is kinda dipping its toe into surrealism, but it's kinda odd when it's only slightly surreal | 06:57 |
| Grackle_ | hmm, my imac's fan noise is a strange rushing burble. It is pleasing. | 06:57 |
| Grackle_ | hmm, indeed. | 06:58 |
| Grackle_ | unlike lost, which rolls around in it :P | 06:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | The fan noise on my G4 is somewhere near "jet during takeoff" at the moment. | 06:59 |
| Grackle_ | hah | 07:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Still not quite as loud as my G5's "actually a jet taking off" fan noise levels when it KPs. :D | 07:00 |
| Grackle_ | ever heard a ps3 with fans going full blast? | 07:00 |
| Grackle_ | it should never do it during normal operation | 07:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Never even seen a PS3 first-hand, interestingly enough. | 07:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | My 360 is fairly loud most of the time, though. | 07:01 |
| Grackle_ | sounds and feels like a public restroom blowdrier | 07:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 07:01 |
| Grackle_ | my 360 is out for rrod repairs :( | 07:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 07:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mine was out of _4_ months for that | 07:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | They sent me a 12-month subscription for the trouble. | 07:02 |
| Grackle_ | the ps is generally quieter than the xbox, but if you force the fan into full blast mode, it is much loude | 07:02 |
| Grackle_ | louder* | 07:02 |
| Grackle_ | oh geez | 07:03 |
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| * GeneralAntilles likes the no-noise Wii. | 07:03 | |
| Grackle_ | mine arrived at the repair place a few days ago | 07:03 |
| Grackle_ | im not really a fan of wii games | 07:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm a sucker for the first-party Nintendo stuff | 07:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | and it has a lot of party appeal. | 07:04 |
| Grackle_ | im not saying it's bad, it just isn't for me | 07:04 |
| Grackle_ | yeah, i suppose it does | 07:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The SNES was my first platform | 07:05 |
| * Grackle_ is more of a bloody-killing-things gamer | 07:05 | |
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| Grackle_ | though i do like a good story | 07:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll play anything as long as it's fun. | 07:05 |
| Grackle_ | the atari 2600 was mine | 07:05 |
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| Grackle_ | never really got into the nintendo stuff | 07:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Really? | 07:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Odd | 07:06 |
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| Grackle_ | Well, I didn't have a console after the 2600 until I bought my 360, and I didn't really play games at friends' houses. | 07:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 07:08 |
| Grackle_ | That is a, uh, large gap... | 07:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sounds a bit like me upgrading from a Performa 400 to a Rev.D Candy iMac. | 07:08 |
| Grackle_ | haha | 07:09 |
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| Grackle_ | are you a mac user, then? | 07:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 07:09 |
| * GeneralAntilles still can't bring himself to "upgrade" the G5 to Intel. | 07:09 | |
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| Grackle_ | Whee. I used to use macs, up until 2000 when I switched to "PCs" with lnux. | 07:10 |
| Grackle_ | I am currently setting up to make a hackintosh, though. | 07:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Linux is too much work with little benefit over OS X for me | 07:11 |
| Grackle_ | For iphone development, mostly. | 07:11 |
| Grackle_ | makes sense. | 07:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, it hates my hardware. | 07:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | The G5 still doesn't have working fan controller drivers. | 07:12 |
| Grackle_ | A lot of windows users who think they want linux really just need OS X. | 07:12 |
| Grackle_ | Oh, that's not handled by firmware? | 07:13 |
| Grackle_ | weirdy. | 07:13 |
| pupnik | i touched OS X for a few minutes and immediately hated it | 07:13 |
| Grackle_ | That is one thing I hate about most x86 systems. Fuck shitty BIOS and ACPI implementations. | 07:14 |
| pupnik | "how do i get a command line?" | 07:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, /Applications/Utilities/Terminal.app | 07:14 |
| Grackle_ | pupnik: applications>terminal | 07:14 |
| Grackle_ | or that | 07:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or cmd-space "terminal" | 07:14 |
| pupnik | ah ok. it was at a party. we were sloshed. all i could was open a browser. | 07:14 |
| pupnik | it was like being castrated | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 07:15 |
| * GeneralAntilles shakes his head. | 07:15 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | OS X is just BSD with a lot of shiny. | 07:15 |
| Grackle_ | pupnik, i get your point though, i think. os x feels restrictive if you're used to linux. | 07:15 |
| Grackle_ | oh heh | 07:15 |
| Grackle_ | oddly enough, i dont feel that way in windows. i think that's because i expext it there. >.> | 07:16 |
| Grackle_ | agh so much typing on the n800 | 07:17 |
| pupnik | i am so damaged by microsoft, i can't begin to describe | 07:17 |
| Grackle_ | my thumbs are all cramped | 07:17 |
| * Grackle_ has been ircing on it all day | 07:17 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Gotta loosen up, Grackle_. ;) | 07:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tap light and fast | 07:17 |
| Grackle_ | mostly it is from curling my thumbs to hit keys near the bottom | 07:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, you're holding it too tight. | 07:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Straighten your knuckles and joints a bit | 07:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Let it rest on your fingers | 07:19 |
| * GAN800 does way too much tablet-typing. ;) | 07:20 | |
| Grackle_ | hmm | 07:21 |
| Grackle_ | i just needed a break for a minute or s | 07:21 |
| Grackle_ | or so, that's all | 07:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wow | 07:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | That was quite a power surge | 07:23 |
| Grackle_ | :x | 07:24 |
| Grackle_ | my osx86 dvd is about halfway downloaded :) | 07:25 |
| Grackle_ | I probably won't get to it until tomorrow. | 07:25 |
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| pupnik | still no decent Chrono Trigger on tablets | 07:28 |
| pupnik | that is such a shame | 07:29 |
| gregorovius | l'd love to have House of the Dead | 07:32 |
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| pupnik | gregorovius: what system is that on | 07:38 |
| Grackle_ | reading pdfs on the nit is pretty nice :) | 07:41 |
| gregorovius | pupnik, arcade, saturn and windows | 07:42 |
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| tank-man | and wii | 07:47 |
| tank-man | and dreamcast | 07:48 |
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| pupnik | y'all are way out of line | 07:53 |
| pupnik | we don't have a fullsped NES emulator yet | 07:53 |
| pupnik | eh no we do.. RST38h wrote one | 07:53 |
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| RST38h | hey, pupnik, could you check if SlideRule is in the Extras now? | 08:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Frepository.maemo.org%2Fextras+sliderule&btnG=Search | 08:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd say, "No" | 08:13 |
| RST38h | oh, it's there | 08:13 |
| RST38h | GAN: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/4.1/non-free/binary-armel/Packages | 08:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Why is UKMP in non-free? | 08:15 |
| gregorovius | my neighbour should get a better router | 08:16 |
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| RST38h | who knows... | 08:20 |
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| RST38h | rm_you | 08:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | rm_you | 08:44 |
| rm_you | rm_you | 08:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, so I've got a bug. | 08:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | 770 doesn't detect rotation properly | 08:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the rotation section is always visible | 08:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which means you can "rotate" but can't unrotate | 08:47 |
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| patoh | hey has pidgin been ported to diablo yet? | 08:53 |
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| RST38h | it works on diablo without changes | 08:56 |
| RST38h | there is a new version available from collabora but it is too large, I am afraid to install it | 08:57 |
| patoh | have you got a url for collabora's one? | 08:57 |
| patoh | i can't install pidgin through the .install file on their site as its for chinook | 08:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Just use rtcomm? | 08:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's much lighter. | 08:59 |
| RST38h | http://ageofikon.info/packrat/index.php?Action=list&System=OS2008&Arg=pidgin&Section=&Repo=0 | 08:59 |
| RST38h | rtcomm sucks | 08:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Works fine here | 08:59 |
| patoh | forgot about rtcomm | 08:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Either install the beta or install the telepathy plugin from the Collabora repo | 09:00 |
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| RST38h | rtcomm does work but it is awkward | 09:04 |
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| qwerty12 | it's lacking compared to pidgin but tbh pidgin doesn't have the best of interfaces either on the tablet. | 09:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Less awkward than having Pidgin occupying valuable taskbar space all the time. | 09:05 |
| qwerty12 | The presence applet does the same unless I disable my accounts. Or edit the desktop file to let me disable it. | 09:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Statusbar space isn't as valuable to me | 09:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, I'm already using rtcomm for sip | 09:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | No sense adding more nonsense into the mix | 09:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, fucking gnomes is unsanitary. | 09:15 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 09:15 |
| qwerty12 | Sigh, I've already rebooted twice in less than 15 mins. Even in windows that doesn't happen. I should burn that leopard osx86 iso I got sometime... | 09:16 |
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| RST38h | What if he washes them first? | 09:18 |
| RST38h | And sterilizes? | 09:18 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: noted. now, for sleep | 09:20 |
| * rm_you sleeps | 09:20 | |
| qwerty12 | Anyone know a server where I could upload an armel libmp4ff? | 09:23 |
| patoh | the collabora blows | 09:23 |
| qwerty12 | ~lart licenses | 09:23 |
| * infobot gets a hotmal account and SPAMs licenses | 09:23 | |
| patoh | pidgin even | 09:23 |
| patoh | collabora pidgin* | 09:23 |
| qwerty12 | hotmal? | 09:23 |
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| t_s_o | about those apps that have taskbar icons, anyone else having issues with forgetting about that, closing the app window, and then have the maemo desktop vanish when using the taskbar icon to bring back the app so you can really close it? | 09:26 |
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| RST38h | pidgin works fine for me | 09:28 |
| RST38h | has got a couple of annoying bugs but works otherwise | 09:28 |
| patoh | it works, but the prefs pane dosn't scroll, toolbar is actually in the window | 09:28 |
| RST38h | ? | 09:28 |
| RST38h | does not happen here. prefs work just fine | 09:29 |
| patoh | i found that they just overflowed off the screen :( | 09:29 |
| RST38h | maybe you are using the wrong version? | 09:32 |
| RST38h | t_s_o: that "problem" is caused by Maemo desktop crashing | 09:33 |
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| t_s_o | RST38h: i would not say it crashes. it seems to still function as one can bring it back via the "home" button | 09:33 |
| t_s_o | it just seems to vanish when a window is created from a already running app | 09:34 |
| t_s_o | still, the only two i recall seeing it happen with is mitter and pidgin, and i use neither to avoid the issue... | 09:35 |
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| RST38h | oh, yes, you mean that one | 09:35 |
| RST38h | it is the first on my list of annoying pidgin bugs | 09:35 |
| t_s_o | i think its more then just a pidgin bug, i suspect its hildon thats not playing nice with existing tray stuff from desktop apps | 09:38 |
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| johnx | ok, firefox on the desktop still has some memory usage issues :/ | 09:43 |
| johnx | just got 700MB back by closing it... | 09:43 |
| qwerty12 | Ouch. I used to have like 200 extensions and all I'd get up to was ~500MB. | 09:44 |
| johnx | It's been running for a week or so now I guess... | 09:44 |
| johnx | I'm willing to blame flash :) | 09:45 |
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| * qwerty12 can now see why the mpd port hasn't been updated in a while :/ | 09:49 | |
| johnx | qwerty12, why? | 09:49 |
| johnx | pain in da butt? | 09:50 |
| qwerty12 | Yep :/. Latest debian diff against mpd is pretty strictly debian (yes, it would be naturally, but this one even more so). | 09:50 |
| moontiger | can i actually do anything with my garage project home page? like maybe put a simple page up? | 09:51 |
| XTL | I haven't got FF3 to huge bloat levels so far | 09:52 |
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| XTL | Might be flash crashing it regularly, but at least it doesn't grow like FF2 did. | 09:52 |
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| melmoth | moontiger: yup you can | 09:59 |
| melmoth | moontiger: create a www directory at the same level than trunk in your svn repo, and here you go | 09:59 |
| moontiger | melmoth, cool ... at least a simple screen shot and some text would be great :) | 09:59 |
| moontiger | ok cool | 09:59 |
| moontiger | thank you :) | 09:59 |
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| moontiger | wow garage. is soooooooooooooooo slow from here at least :( | 10:02 |
| qwerty12 | Unlucky, I'm getting decent speeds here :P | 10:03 |
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| moontiger | yah i think its comcastic more than anyone :| | 10:06 |
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| moontiger | ok well off to bed now ... up early to teach tomorrow ... laterz :) | 10:10 |
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| qwerty12 | mpd package = debian maintainer gone crazy :>. I've replaced log_warning_msg with the standard echo. I'll see if my changes (read: mutilation to the mpd.init) take. | 10:12 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: mpd broke so badly when i tried to just normally install it on deblet | 10:15 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: No wonder, have you seen the amount of checks in the /etc/init.d/mpd? I've toned it down and I hate invoke-rc.d on tablets so I've made the postinst start it directly via the init script. | 10:16 |
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| * bef0rd mutilated emesene to make it run on maemo too | 10:17 | |
| qwerty12 | bef0rd: You don't happen to keep instructions anywhere? :) | 10:18 |
| * qwerty12 loves emsene. Only linux msn client that does offline messaging properly. | 10:18 | |
| qwerty12 | s/emsene/emesene/ | 10:18 |
| bef0rd | I *believe* to have found the reason why it doesn't work on tablets | 10:18 |
| bef0rd | they have a class called 'Socket' | 10:18 |
| bef0rd | and in some places, they use import Socket | 10:19 |
| bef0rd | but since its running on a FAT filesystem | 10:19 |
| bef0rd | Socket.py == socket.py | 10:19 |
| bef0rd | socket.py being python2.5 sockets implementation | 10:19 |
| bef0rd | I had to rename their Socket.py to EmsnSocket.py | 10:19 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, thanks! | 10:20 |
| bef0rd | I've started hildonizing it too | 10:20 |
| bef0rd | do you want to see what't I've done so far? | 10:20 |
| qwerty12 | Yes, please. | 10:20 |
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| qwerty12 | *sigh*, itt won't load. Now that it loads, the maemo wiki won't load. | 10:21 |
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| bef0rd | I am using emesene trunk with support to 'see' others webcam | 10:22 |
| bef0rd | but that feature won't work too well on maemo | 10:23 |
| bef0rd | i've tried it on my desktop and it opens a new window to show the webcam | 10:23 |
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| bef0rd | qwerty12, http://beford.org/stuff/emesene.tar.gz | 10:28 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks | 10:28 |
| patoh | funny, after flashing to diablo sound seems to have stopped working =/ | 10:28 |
| XTL | Stopped how? | 10:29 |
| patoh | the device fails to produce sound where as before it did | 10:29 |
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| XTL | No errors, no nothing. Just no sound? Have you checked the volume controls? | 10:30 |
| patoh | yep, its at full | 10:30 |
| qwerty12 | Is esd, dsp_dld etc running | 10:30 |
| patoh | not muted | 10:30 |
| patoh | let me check | 10:30 |
| patoh | the nokia startup sound also isn't working | 10:30 |
| XTL | That would also happen if the volume is down/muted. | 10:31 |
| XTL | I guess there isn't a way to bypass that.. | 10:31 |
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| patoh | dsp_dld is running | 10:32 |
| patoh | and so is esd | 10:32 |
| XTL | One odd thing to try might be to see if you can record something | 10:32 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm :/ | 10:32 |
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| ow1_ | hi. does anyone has any idea where can I find the Bora rootstrat? | 10:34 |
| ow1_ | the links from here http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_3-x_bora/ | 10:35 |
| ow1_ | are not available | 10:35 |
| patoh | shutting down and removing the battery seems to have fixed it =/ | 10:35 |
| ow1_ | The requested URL /3.1/i386/Maemo-sdk-rootstrap_3.1_i386.tgz was not found on this server. | 10:35 |
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| Stskeeps | popping the battery. the internet tablet equivalent of duct tape | 10:36 |
| qwerty12 | ow1_: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/3.1/ | 10:36 |
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| ow1_ | qwerty12: and where could I find the rootstrap ? | 10:38 |
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| qwerty12 | in the armel and i386 folders which are right there. | 10:39 |
| ow1_ | sorry | 10:39 |
| ow1_ | I found it | 10:39 |
| ow1_ | thank you! | 10:39 |
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| ow1_ | do you know who is in charge of updating the maemo webpage? | 10:40 |
| ow1_ | I want to inform the webmaster about those dead links | 10:40 |
| aquatix | well, maybe GeneralAntilles is interested | 10:41 |
| aquatix | but i guess we need more people maintaining the site(s) | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it's so bad i started ignoring maemo.org results when i google tablet stuff | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | cos links dont work etc | 10:42 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: how did the strace go? | 10:45 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: well, beyond that udev obviously registers for uevent on the devices /sys/block stuff, nothing incriminating | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | but it definately is udev causing it | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | i can't find any evidence of it keeping the device open or anythin | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | g | 10:51 |
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| lbt | ok - just hoping | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | im gonna look more into it later - i got it to replicate that its definately udev startup causing it, so | 11:00 |
| emma | hi guys | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | morning | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: and i have considered moving udev startup till -after- checkroot | 11:00 |
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| lbt | given it's an initfs - can you checkroot in initfs before udev and then there is no messingwith the normal startup script? and presumably that will clean it and even allow a drop back to telnet rather than maintenance mode? | 11:02 |
| lbt | bbiab - coffee | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | i've thought about that, yeah | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | it's not clean but would work | 11:07 |
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| thux | diablo's browser seems to fall much more often than earlier os2008 browser, is there any settings to prevent regular falling or better browser? | 11:17 |
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| Pavlz | hello | 11:22 |
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| dexem | I'm trying to make a Task Navigator plugin that could listen some dbus signals, but it seems not to enter into the handler function... http://rafb.net/p/OjZ9Qj17.html Does anyone know what could be happening? | 11:23 |
| qwerty12 | ~lart cdbs | 11:24 |
| * infobot whips cdbs with a wet and grimy noodle just because | 11:24 | |
| Pavlz | i got a surprise for any of you : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zKNQaOnDS4 | 11:25 |
| Pavlz | Rock 'n' Roll High School - Trailer - New Concorde Home Ent. | 11:27 |
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| Pavlz | have you never thinked to do explose your old school ? this did the ramones :-) | 11:29 |
| sven-tek | The media player's database on my n800 contains lots of files i have deleted a long time ago. How can i clean up the database? | 11:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd fix the links if the page would freaking load. . . . | 11:31 |
| qwerty12 | sven-tek: something like metalayer-crawler update in a terminal. | 11:31 |
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| sven-tek | thanxs | 11:33 |
| qwerty12 | If you keep media player open, it comes up with a notification it's updating when you run that. | 11:33 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: any luck with mtdutils yet? | 11:35 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: No :(. I compile static zlib and mtdutils against uclibc and it still complains when I try running it on the device. I could compile against glibc but then we'd need another update to make the initfs partition bigger... | 11:36 |
| tuukkah | has anyone heard of a problem where the Chr key opens the virtual keyboard? | 11:36 |
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| L0cutus | hello | 11:42 |
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| L0cutus | a good editor to write python program on n8x0 ? (diablo) | 11:42 |
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| thux | is fennec worth to try? | 12:01 |
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| lbt | fixed the stupid bug from last night - and I know the correct fix too... | 12:09 |
| lbt | Qt | 12:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | OK, Bora development page links should be fixed. | 12:12 |
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| thux | why ssh -X from pc to ---> n800 diablo doesn't seem to work? | 12:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Do you have xauth installed? | 12:21 |
| thux | i check | 12:21 |
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| XTL | I've always considered qt a bug. | 12:23 |
| lpotter | funny, I;ve always considered gtk a bug | 12:24 |
| lbt | XTL try gtk | 12:24 |
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| XTL | I know. Ahs, ass. | 12:24 |
| lbt | and have you seen #c++ on irc.gnome.org...... bleak... | 12:25 |
| * qwerty12 uses gnome and hates kde so gtk ftw | 12:25 | |
| GAN800 | we went so long without toolkit wars. . . . | 12:25 |
| lbt | and so it begins... tk/tcl | 12:25 |
| qwerty12 | get your glocks here | 12:25 |
| XTL | Well, maybe we're at a point where there won't be a serious war. | 12:25 |
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| lbt | just sniping.... | 12:26 |
| lbt | :D | 12:26 |
| XTL | Yeah. A little friendly fire never hurt anyone. | 12:26 |
| * lbt runs over to the other side and snipes at moc | 12:26 | |
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| qwerty12 | ~lart building libs | 12:27 |
| * infobot grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats building libs until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with | 12:27 | |
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| lpotter | there has always been toolkit wars | 12:37 |
| GAN800 | Just not in here, thank god. | 12:38 |
| GAN800 | Though you, lpotter, seem somewhat set on changing that. | 12:39 |
| lpotter | i didnt start it | 12:39 |
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| qwerty12 | The next person to start a war has to use ncurses. | 12:42 |
| XTL | Mmm.. curses. | 12:43 |
| * XTL considers insulting someone's nobility | 12:43 | |
| XTL | I wonder how mutt and newsbeuter would feel on a nit | 12:44 |
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| samppa | extras web assistant broken? | 12:47 |
| pupnik | if so, contact author | 12:49 |
| samppa | after selecting packages it says no repository selected | 12:49 |
| samppa | cannot get to the phase where i can "move files to autobuilder" | 12:49 |
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| GAN800 | bugs.maemo.org | 12:56 |
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| qwerty12 | lol, zap is everywhere. I'm on the mikmod page - "New color interface by Andrew Zabolotny" | 13:04 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hi guys ! | 13:52 |
| MicroChip123 | hi | 13:52 |
| Khertan_n810 | no exciting news today ? | 13:55 |
| aquatix | depends | 13:57 |
| aquatix | seems the Olympics are done | 13:57 |
| XTL | yay | 13:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | usa is winner ? | 13:58 |
| aquatix | if you count all medals, yes | 13:58 |
| aquatix | if you count gold, no | 13:58 |
| aquatix | or something | 13:58 |
| Khertan_n810 | seems darius is still spamming dev mailing list | 13:58 |
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| Khertan_n810 | and no answer to my alarmd with python question | 13:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | :( | 13:59 |
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| zap | china got 51 gold medals, us 36 | 14:07 |
| qwerty12 | ~fuck cdbs | 14:09 |
| zap | cdbs rullz | 14:09 |
| qwerty12 | cdbs can suck my balls. I'm currently replacing all the rules that use cdbs to the standard stuff. | 14:10 |
| zap | you just can't cook it :) | 14:10 |
| qwerty12 | cdbs sucks but I can't deny I do too :). Still hate cdbs though. | 14:10 |
| zap | most my packages use cdbs, its easy to use once you get how it works :) | 14:10 |
| zap | do you know the gnu make language? its easier if you browse through /usr/share/cdbs/1/*/* | 14:11 |
| qwerty12 | It won't use my CFLAGS. I'm trying to override it in every way I can but it still uses -02 -Wall -G | 14:11 |
| qwerty12 | *-g | 14:11 |
| zap | are you using autotools.mk? | 14:11 |
| qwerty12 | yes | 14:12 |
| zap | look in autovars.mk | 14:12 |
| zap | there you will find the command line for configure | 14:12 |
| qwerty12 | ah, ok, thank you. i've been looking in some other file due to grep telling me something. | 14:12 |
| zap | look for "CFLAGS" | 14:12 |
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| qwerty12 | will do, need to take a break now :) | 14:12 |
| qwerty12 | thanks again. | 14:13 |
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| t_s_o | so you did get your charger working in the end, qwerty12_N800? | 14:26 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | t_s_o: kinda... my sister gave me hers :D | 14:26 |
| t_s_o | sisters are nice to have, sometimes ;) | 14:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 14:27 |
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| lbt | if I create many Gtk::Images using a stock item does gtk create many duplicates? | 14:35 |
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| zap | get the gtk sources and look :) | 14:37 |
| zap | but stock images are so small, I'd say this is negligible if you don't create thousands of them | 14:37 |
| lbt | :D | 14:38 |
| lcuk | lbt, are the stock items images themselves and are you just grabbing a reference to them | 14:40 |
| lcuk | or are you actually creating new image objects each time (which you can draw on and customize each one) | 14:40 |
| zap | there's a function gtk_image_from_stock() or something like that | 14:40 |
| lcuk | i hope wallstreet doesnt crash | 14:41 |
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| lcuk | lbt, from my reading of it, yes - you create an icon then fill it with data from the stock library | 14:45 |
| Anunakin | Any knows wehere I can get VLC packages for maemo? | 14:46 |
| lbt | back now... | 14:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Anunakin: check lokidor's posts @ itt | 14:47 |
| lbt | I'm doing it in gtkmm -- i_del(Gtk::Stock::DELETE, Gtk::ICON_SIZE_SMALL_TOOLBAR) | 14:47 |
| * qwerty12_N800 can't decide whether to rebuild esd with optmisations | 14:47 | |
| Anunakin | qwerty12_N800: OK! | 14:47 |
| * Anunakin Looking for N800 emulator!!! | 14:48 | |
| lbt | Anunakin: scratchbox? | 14:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I think he means hrw's proper n800 emulation, not just the processor | 14:49 |
| Anunakin | lbt: No, I want use the poky N800 Emulator, but it needs a patched file... and anyone have it | 14:49 |
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| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, esd ? | 15:11 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, if you wanna do something fun, get a newer version of gstreamer available :P | 15:12 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: i'm rebuilding mpd for maemo, because i'd had a shitty experience with the current one,adding optmisations in everything mpd depends on :) | 15:13 |
| crashanddie | wow | 15:13 |
| crashanddie | you're saturday nights must be joy :P | 15:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol :p. i've spent 6 hours and i've only built 2 packages. converting the mpd rules file to a standard rules file slowed me down | 15:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | one thing for sure, i'm never doing this again :p | 15:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sigh, a shame matchbox doesn't support double buffering | 15:16 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, this is you: http://www.xkcd.com/456/ | 15:18 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 15:19 |
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| yacoob | hm... calendar choices for os2008 seems to consist of either gpe-calendar or mcalendar. Both of which lacking. | 15:21 |
| msh | yacoob: yep. | 15:21 |
| msh | it's an internet tablet, not a pda... | 15:21 |
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| yacoob | "And you'll experience it with great force!" | 15:22 |
| yacoob | but I think I'll be fine with gpe+erminig, as soon as I can make first to start weeks on Monday, and stop second from bailing out | 15:22 |
| XTL | Anunakin: I though it was linked on that page | 15:22 |
| XTL | With the rest of the info | 15:22 |
| XTL | Never had time to look into it | 15:23 |
| lcuk | yacoob, you can always store your calendar entries from the console, its simple, youi just have to echo "blah blah $date" > newcalentry_$date.cal and to read them back you just have to create a perl script to decode all the filenames and merge them together to display the whole thing and grep to the specific days you want, should only take you a couple of months to get something usable | 15:27 |
| * XTL recommends getting a notebook and learning a system | 15:28 | |
| XTL | Bound type, glued ones fall apart too fast. | 15:28 |
| yacoob | lcuk, while I do value irony, you're getting repetative. | 15:28 |
| lcuk | really, when did i last tell you about calendars? | 15:29 |
| yacoob | hush. | 15:29 |
| * lcuk gets told | 15:30 | |
| crashanddie | what's this calendar thing ? | 15:30 |
| yacoob | I'm trying very hard to evaluate n810 as a device that doesn't require much twiddling and changing things under hood. Mostly because those kinds of things tend to get stale, and sooner or later you end up with broken functionality AND no time to fix it :) | 15:30 |
| lbt | we want a pim | 15:30 |
| crashanddie | oh, wait, wait wait, hang on, lemme guess ! | 15:31 |
| lbt | I think we should standardise on gpe-calendar and egroupware | 15:31 |
| crashanddie | yacoob, you're going to rant about how bad the n810 is, right ? | 15:31 |
| lcuk | yacoob, at present the point is, there are not very good pim clients for this device | 15:31 |
| yacoob | funnily enough, I've looked at two linux "embedds" last week. Both have the advantages of Linux (you can do stuff) with all disadvantages of Linux (you have to do stuff :) | 15:31 |
| lcuk | so you can roll your own or accept what there is, there is no all in one | 15:31 |
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| yacoob | crashanddie, not really, I was planning to whine a bit, find the best working solution, and look how this can be improved :) | 15:32 |
| lbt | yacoob: gpe-calendar and egroupware | 15:32 |
| crashanddie | Problem is, I never used a PIM, so I don't know what people expect, if I were to write one | 15:32 |
| Khertan | Hi ... again ... | 15:32 |
| lbt | crashanddie: something like gpe-calendar and egroupware | 15:32 |
| Khertan | need a PIM ? | 15:32 |
| lcuk | so yacoob you havent yet got a n8x0? | 15:32 |
| crashanddie | lbt, WE HEAR YOUR | 15:32 |
| Khertan | use mCalendar :) | 15:32 |
| crashanddie | s/your/you/ | 15:32 |
| yacoob | lbt, I'll probably end up hacking on erming :) | 15:32 |
| * lbt is making sure that people hear about gpe-calendar and egroupware | 15:33 | |
| yacoob | Khertan, mCalendar looks nice, but it's not there yet. For example, it only syncs with your main Google calendar. | 15:33 |
| lbt | OK - what's erming.... | 15:33 |
| * lbt goes to see | 15:33 | |
| lcuk | ermmmm | 15:33 |
| Khertan | yacoob: multi google calendar is ready | 15:33 |
| crashanddie | lbt, djeezus... You said those two app names 4 times in... 2 minutes ! | 15:33 |
| yacoob | lcuk, I do, I got n810 last week. About the same time I got qnap ts-209, and at the moment I've been spending more time with the latter :) | 15:33 |
| Khertan | i'm making some test before unleash it | 15:33 |
| lbt | yes, to different people | 15:33 |
| Khertan | s/unleash/release | 15:33 |
| yacoob | Khertan, neat, I'll give it a go then :) | 15:33 |
| lbt | sigh | 15:33 |
| lbt | some people... | 15:34 |
| XTL | they just don't listen | 15:34 |
| crashanddie | lol @ unleash | 15:34 |
| lbt | I know, what can you do... ? | 15:34 |
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| Khertan | :) | 15:34 |
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| lcuk | the qnap looks like a small desktop box - like an apple mini thingy | 15:34 |
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| Khertan | be carefull with ermining ... don't look the code ... | 15:34 |
| Khertan | or you ll lost your hair :) | 15:34 |
| * lbt saw erminig and went in the other direction | 15:35 | |
| yacoob | lcuk, it's more or less that. You can have qpkg on that, so it's pretty flexible. | 15:35 |
| crashanddie | Khertan, what the hell happened to you, your english used to be better than that | 15:35 |
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| Khertan | crashanddie: i m a bit tired :) | 15:35 |
| lcuk | yacoob, but they are totally different devices, i can take my 810 anywhere and work, can you (easily) take your desktop + monitor + keyboard + power supply around? | 15:35 |
| Khertan | lcuk: you can ... | 15:36 |
| crashanddie | I'm really at a loss why people come in here and say they've been using X device more than the NIT they acquired a week ago | 15:36 |
| lcuk | (easily) | 15:36 |
| yacoob | lcuk, oh, yes, they're totaly different things. It's just I got both new gadgets about the same time, so at the moment I'm playing with one, and the other is waiting its turn :D | 15:36 |
| crashanddie | It's really starting to get old, and I'm getting pretty pissed off | 15:36 |
| yacoob | crashanddie, ? | 15:37 |
| crashanddie | nha, nevermind | 15:37 |
| yacoob | right. | 15:37 |
| crashanddie | I drank too much last night, got an insane headache, I need some coffee | 15:37 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, mail.. | 15:39 |
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| yacoob | hm, opensync + plugin for google calendar might be an option too. | 15:40 |
| msh | bluetooth symcml support? | 15:40 |
| msh | (from a desktop, looking like a phone) | 15:41 |
| andrewfblack | Khertan you around? | 15:41 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, cheers | 15:41 |
| lcuk | do you need me to send milk or can you handle that? | 15:41 |
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| yacoob | msh, might be an option, although I'd rather be syncing from the origin :) | 15:42 |
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| msh | ah, but my definitive calendar is ical.app :) | 15:44 |
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| yacoob | msh, ...which syncs pretty well, since recent release of caldav interface for gcal | 15:49 |
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| msh | yeah, I could set up a google account I suppose | 15:50 |
| msh | seems a bit pointless syncing all the way over there. suppose it makes device negotiation easy | 15:50 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, a fried of mine once replied to the question "do you want milk": "I take my coffee, the same way I take my women: black" | 16:00 |
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| RST38h | PING 1219670992 | 16:29 |
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| Khertan | adrewfblack: i m here now :) | 16:34 |
| andrewfblack | Khertan I finished that UI just need to send it to you its on my hold computer | 16:35 |
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| Khertan | ;) | 16:36 |
| Khertan | gmail could receive it :) | 16:36 |
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| andrewfblack | never did get it in email I got it off your site | 16:37 |
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| Khertan | yep ... same thing | 16:39 |
| Khertan | khertan@khertan.net is managed by gmail :) | 16:39 |
| Khertan | hum ... i ve got nothing ... | 16:40 |
| Khertan | do you have already send it ? | 16:40 |
| andrewfblack | no I'll send it when I get home forgot to send it this morning | 16:40 |
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| Khertan | no problemo :) | 16:41 |
| andrewfblack | I got the icons looking good and the layout but of course you might have to fix a few things that I didn't do right | 16:44 |
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| Khertan | andrewfblack: :) | 17:06 |
| andrewfblack | only thing I havn't made an Icon yet is the Formats and the other thing that was in Pref menu can't remember what it is now but I wasn't sure what those were for so I wasn't sure what to make the icon look like | 17:07 |
| Mek | hmm... what is the expected/average response time for requests to be added to planet maemo? :) | 17:09 |
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| crashanddie | Sunflower Broadband ? | 17:23 |
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| * msh ponders. anyone played much with trying to read the gps with good battery life? | 18:11 | |
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| msh | if I gpsctrl_set_chip_on, read the /dev/pgps briefly then close it, I still get the OMAP UART2 interrupt counter ticking over | 18:12 |
| msh | but if I sleep long enough that sleeps and the whole gps seems to turn off. | 18:12 |
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| msh | it'd be nice to leave the chip running and looking for satellites, but just wake up the kernel etc to read what it has to say every 30 secs or so... | 18:13 |
| johnx | I think I remember someone talking about something somewhat related...but I'm not sure if it would help | 18:13 |
| msh | gypsy? | 18:14 |
| qwerty12 | osso-esd rules file: "...--enable-dsp --disable-alsa --sysconfdir=/etc" | 18:15 |
| * qwerty12 likes alsa | 18:15 | |
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| * RST38h likes /dev/dsp | 18:17 | |
| RST38h | Too bad Nokia does not provide it, even via ALSA drivers | 18:17 |
| johnx | it's oss... | 18:18 |
| johnx | I don't really know how alsa's oss emulation would work in this case either | 18:18 |
| RST38h | OSS is a bit more | 18:18 |
| RST38h | There is a core set of fctls which one needs to support | 18:19 |
| RST38h | They act more or less like Sun's /dev/audio. OSS adds to them a shitload of other stuff | 18:19 |
| johnx | well, on desktop linux you can load an alsa oss-emu (sp?) module that gives you a /dev/dsp and /dev/audio | 18:20 |
| RST38h | ah | 18:20 |
| johnx | but that's inside the kernel...and the alsa setup on the tablets isn't in kernel space | 18:20 |
| RST38h | On FreeBSD, /dev/dsp has been linked to /dev/pcm and supported all the needed calls | 18:20 |
| RST38h | pcm was inside the kernel as well | 18:20 |
| johnx | yeah, well the tablets are really, really special when it comes to sound | 18:21 |
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| RST38h | Still, it is difficult to understand why they wouldn't provide audio support in the kernel | 18:21 |
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| RST38h | Especially considering how buggy and undocumented esd is | 18:22 |
| johnx | it is in the kernel :) | 18:22 |
| johnx | just not the support you want | 18:22 |
| RST38h | I mean *standardized* support =) | 18:22 |
| johnx | ha! | 18:22 |
| johnx | why do it the way everyone else does it when you can do it differently?! | 18:22 |
| johnx | individuality and all that | 18:22 |
| RST38h | yea, the wonders of open source | 18:22 |
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| johnx | RST38h, actually, this is a Nokia thing for the most part | 18:23 |
| johnx | the wonders of closed source... | 18:23 |
| RST38h | well, both alsa and esd are open source things | 18:23 |
| qwerty12 | Nokia sucks when it comes to this but I happily point a finger at TI too :) | 18:23 |
| johnx | RST38h, yup, and Nokia made them use a closed backend (a dsp task) | 18:23 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: I do suspect TI has an audio circui that does not require passing data through DSP =) | 18:24 |
| johnx | RST38h, yup. It's likely that it's even wired up on our ITs. Just needs a driver, IIRC | 18:24 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: Want to open up your tablet and find out? :> | 18:25 |
| RST38h | qwerty: rather give me OMAP2 data sheet | 18:25 |
| qwerty12 | I tried looking, it's not leaked :( | 18:25 |
| * RST38h tired of tie-wearing idiots who think hiding data sheets will give them competitive advantage | 18:25 | |
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| qwerty12 | For me, I'm not so so bothered if something is closed but then if the people who are coding it are doing a shit job... | 18:26 |
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| * qwerty12 has to add I'd be no better but I still like my point :) | 18:27 | |
| ariya | GNUton: hi | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | Nokia = F***** W******. I can rebuild osso-esd without osso-dsp-headers-rx-*4 but then I have a package with libraries that will refuse to talk to the DSP. | 18:29 |
| msh | aha, gpsctrl_set_internal_power_level looks promising. | 18:29 |
| johnx | qwerty12, anyways, why do you want to enable the alsa backend? | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: It's not the alsa I really want, it's the mpd stuff, I want to optimise everything so I'm rebuilding everything from source. Unfortunately, I can't do that and it seems like Nokia decided not to optimise it. | 18:31 |
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| * qwerty12 attempts to alleviate my fear of cdbs | 18:35 | |
| lcuk | qwerty12, aren't the current binaries compiled for size? | 18:36 |
| lcuk | ie your optimized versionwont fit | 18:37 |
| * trenka does not like cdbs | 18:37 | |
| qwerty12 | lcuk: no idea. not really bothered about size, if they are bigger, they shouldn't be by much | 18:37 |
| lcuk | enabling inlining and loop unrolling can extend certain apps by very considerable margins, just keep an eye on the size difference | 18:38 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk: oh no, I'm going for simple optimisation. I've left the heavy optimisation on my x11vnc rebuild. | 18:39 |
| lcuk | lol | 18:39 |
| qwerty12 | export CFLAGS="-Os -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp -mcpu=arm1136j-s -mtune=arm1136j-s -fomit-frame-pointer" | 18:39 |
| * lcuk simply uses -O3 | 18:39 | |
| RST38h | Gentlemen, you are using a system with very slow memory | 18:40 |
| RST38h | Do not expect inlining and loop unrolling help you ;) | 18:40 |
| RST38h | At least not as much as you hope for | 18:40 |
| lcuk | i KNOW it helps with what i do :) | 18:40 |
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| lcuk | the speed test in liqbase goes from 3.2fps to 6.5 (this is rendering preset fixed text 1000 lines per frame) | 18:41 |
| lcuk | 3.2=noopt | 18:41 |
| qwerty12 | Right now, the bigger problem for me is cdbs :) | 18:41 |
| qwerty12 | Though zap helped me a lot before | 18:41 |
| lcuk | im gonna test your compiler optimizations qwerty12 :) | 18:41 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk: not much and certainly not mine :). I just grabbed them from maemo and simplified them down :) | 18:42 |
| qwerty12 | You should have seen my first list... | 18:42 |
| lcuk | heh, i havent tried any specific opts, so with these i will see how much they matter (for my case) | 18:42 |
| qwerty12 | X11vnc CFLAGS = -g -Wall -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp -mcpu=arm1136j-s -mtune=arm1136j-s -s -pipe -O3 -fomit-frame-pointer -falign-loops=2 -fstrict-aliasing -mstructure-size-boundary=32 -fexpensive-optimizations -fweb -frename-registers -falign-functions=32 -falign-labels -falign-jumps | 18:43 |
| * qwerty12 rolls eyes after seeing the size of that list | 18:43 | |
| lcuk | holy mother of textwallness | 18:43 |
| * qwerty12 also has a feeling a lot of them are crap | 18:43 | |
| qwerty12 | Though x11vnc does run better for me though now | 18:43 |
| lcuk | yer ill let you know how this goes, ive wanted some various examples of the opt flags | 18:44 |
| lcuk | RST38h, it was you who suggested using perl script to highlight gcc :) thank you, i relooked and made something which works | 18:45 |
| * lcuk has yellow warnings and red errors | 18:46 | |
| lcuk | make 2>&1 | perl -p -e 's/warning/\e[33mwarn \e[0m/; s/error/\007\e[31mERROR \e[0m/' | 18:47 |
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| qwerty12 | Do you have a function for making the computer screen flash blue and play police siren sound? | 18:47 |
| yacoob | qwerty12, do you use gentoo by any chance? :) | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: windows bluescreening and overheating CPU? | 18:47 |
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| qwerty12 | yacoob: No, Ubuntu user :). | 18:48 |
| yacoob | just curious 8) | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: hehe, I'm finding Linux more unstable atm :/ | 18:48 |
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| kulve | I got a beagleboard (omap3) today. Now I should find something to do with it.. | 18:49 |
| johnx | kulve, what distro are you running on it? | 18:50 |
| kulve | nothing yet :) | 18:50 |
| kulve | probably first attempt is ångstrom as there's working images for it | 18:50 |
| johnx | sounds reasonable | 18:51 |
| johnx | angstrom is pretty nice | 18:51 |
| lcuk | kulve, what display are you driving with it? | 18:51 |
| lcuk | normal monitor? | 18:52 |
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| kulve | yeah | 18:52 |
| lcuk | i hope a prebuilt device comes out soon with touch :) | 18:53 |
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| kulve | I'm sure there will be omap3 based devices a lot soon. Didn't archos just announced a player with omap3? Can't remember if it was touchscreen though.. | 18:54 |
| lcuk | yeah, the ompa3 is going to be everywhere | 18:55 |
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| johnx | there was a video of the pandora the other day at a gaming con too | 18:55 |
| kulve | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS8246055816.html | 18:55 |
| kulve | this one has a touchscreen | 18:55 |
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| kulve | actually that's known to be cortex A8, not sure about omap3 yet.. | 18:56 |
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| sp3000 | timeless: re 87658, do you have some particular set that needs reprocessing? | 18:58 |
| sp3000 | of hints to constrain the set | 18:58 |
| sp3000 | s/of/or/ | 18:59 |
| infobot | sp3000 meant: or hints to constrain the set | 18:59 |
| sp3000 | ~lart infobot | 18:59 |
| * infobot urinates on sp3000 | 18:59 | |
| sp3000 | >:| | 19:00 |
| johnx | ahaha | 19:00 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, i tried your LONG opt string, and your medium opt string, and my -O3 and no optimisations, in order of speed: none(1.9), long opt(5.8), O3(5.9), medium opt(5.9) | 19:00 |
| lcuk | ive just put back my -O3 and stopped messing :) | 19:01 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk: crap, thanks for that. | 19:01 |
| lcuk | its ok, but the diff between your opt string and mine is so neglible its not worth adding to the complexity. just letting gcc do its stuff is enough in my case | 19:02 |
| qwerty12 | I guess it depends on what your code uses, I'm compiling audio stuff so there's a chance that the floating point will be used and the medium opt may speed things up. | 19:03 |
| qwerty12 | Only 9 more libs to compile :) | 19:03 |
| lcuk | i use some floats to do the scaling and aspect ratio stuff for drawing sketches | 19:04 |
| lcuk | evey single point drawn has to be tranformed | 19:04 |
| kulve | qwerty12: do you know that you can pass gcc options directly to gcc without playing around with CFLAGS (that some apps may ignore)? | 19:04 |
| qwerty12 | kulve: yeah, thanks. I'm checking the compile log to see if any optimisations are missed out. | 19:05 |
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| kulve | qwerty12: I'm talking about SBOX_EXTRA_COMPILER_ARGS (or something like that) | 19:06 |
| kulve | they won't even show up in any logs | 19:06 |
| lbt | in C++/stl if I iterate round a <list> and remove() the item the *iter points to should iter++ work? | 19:07 |
| qwerty12 | kulve: ah, ok, I didn't know that. Thanks for that, will save me time | 19:07 |
| kulve | qwerty12: http://scratchbox.org/wiki/EnvironmentVariables | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: btw run-standalone.sh seems to overwrite LC_ALL/stuff :P | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | so it's a tradeoff | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | either that i should just learn how to export variables properly in python.. | 19:09 |
| kulve | qwerty12: if you also set SBOX_VERBOSE_WRAPPER to anything you get verbose gcc wrapper and you can see the actual gcc arguments. But those extra prints make some configure scripts to fail because they interpret that extra print as error | 19:09 |
| qwerty12 | *nod*, thanks a lot for that. I'll go back and check again :) | 19:10 |
| dexem | does exist python-osso bindings? The ones I have found use an older version of the library... | 19:10 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Selectively export the themeing variables :P | 19:10 |
| qwerty12 | *theming | 19:10 |
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| GNUton | hey ariya! :) | 19:20 |
| msh | aha, gps_driver is reading /dev/ttyS0. that would explain things. | 19:20 |
| msh | shame I can't do anything about it though :-\ | 19:21 |
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| qwerty12 | ~lart scratchbox | 19:24 |
| * infobot changes scratchbox's permissions to 0777 and tells the world | 19:24 | |
| * qwerty12 finally got cdbs to use my cflags instead. Turns out that scratchbox diverts usage of cdbs to the one in the debian-etch devkit. | 19:26 | |
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| fiekia | holy crap this channel is huge | 19:34 |
| fiekia | bots??? | 19:34 |
| BULLE | fiekia: yes, only bots, nothing else | 19:34 |
| fiekia | oh ok | 19:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre___, lol@osso-mail. | 19:35 |
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| andre___ | GeneralAntilles, well. I don't change things because I love changing. ;-) | 19:35 |
| ariya | GNUton: I need to leave now, I'll talk to you tomorrow then! | 19:35 |
| andre___ | got to go... | 19:36 |
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| fiekia | hmm really wish dopewars was ported | 19:37 |
| qwerty12 | fiekia: penguinbait's got a build somewhere | 19:39 |
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| fiekia | thanks | 19:40 |
| fiekia | ive got to get back to work | 19:40 |
| fiekia | ttyl | 19:40 |
| fiekia | http://penguinbait.com/dopewars.deb | 19:42 |
| GNUton | ariya: ok, no problem, | 19:42 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hello again (Apple computer copyright) | 19:49 |
| t_s_o | hmm, maemo going x.org? where did that come from? | 19:49 |
| Khertan_n810 | wiki freemanthle roadmap | 19:50 |
| Khertan_n810 | iff i remember well | 19:50 |
| dougt | romaxa_: yt | 19:52 |
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| fiekia | awesome game works | 19:53 |
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| fiekia | is a little cramped buut works | 19:53 |
| fiekia | lata | 19:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, bugzilla. | 19:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's in one of the Xserver bugs. | 19:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | What a load of shit threads on itT today | 19:55 |
| qwerty12 | X.org != window manage | 19:55 |
| qwerty12 | *manager | 19:55 |
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| XTL | Is Xomap a fork of something or some completely new eg reference design? | 20:02 |
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| RST38h | Xfree86? | 20:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Xomap is based on KDrive | 20:03 |
| XTL | I see | 20:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Interesting use of eg, btw. | 20:04 |
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| XTL | There doesn't seem to be a very clear project page or anything | 20:05 |
| XTL | Just crossed my mind. | 20:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There really isn't any information available about it on the net | 20:06 |
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| RST38h | KDrive has a page | 20:07 |
| Gracana | Sadface. I thought it was possible to replace the battery with the AC charger connected without powering down the device. | 20:08 |
| RST38h | Here: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Xserver | 20:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Gracana, no. | 20:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | The charger can't supply enough juice to completely power the device under load, anyway. | 20:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm hoping for a "fat cap" to allow battery hot-swaps in the next tablet. | 20:09 |
| Gracana | Has anyone tried putting a cap in the PSU? | 20:10 |
| Gracana | Obviously it has greater than average power than the device draws, because it can charge it while it's running. | 20:10 |
| Gracana | greather than the average power the device draws, rather | 20:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | The device draws nearly nothing at idle | 20:10 |
| * Gracana speak english good | 20:10 | |
| Khertan_n810 | with the n3410 and the zpm we will don t need to switch baterry | 20:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | but I didn't say idle | 20:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | I say under load. | 20:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/say/said/ | 20:10 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: I said under load. | 20:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | so useless ! | 20:11 |
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| Gracana | GA, can the condescending attitude please. | 20:11 |
| pupnik810 | how to close a channel tab in xchat?? | 20:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik810, tab the little x button. | 20:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | the x button under the tabs | 20:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unless you're in tree view | 20:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | then /part | 20:12 |
| sp3000 | a ctrl-w will probably do /something/ | 20:12 |
| Gracana | I know what /you/ said, I'm saying that if it can supply sufficient average power, then it might be possible to simply beef up the power supply to handle spikes. | 20:12 |
| pupnik810 | oooh ty | 20:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then change to button view. | 20:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gracana, OK, whatever. | 20:12 |
| * GeneralAntilles goes back to doing useful things. | 20:12 | |
| Gracana | That assumes that the device's charging circuitry can handle that, of course. | 20:12 |
| Gracana | Wow. | 20:13 |
| Gracana | Apparently I'm not worthy enough to argue with the gods. ;) | 20:14 |
| johnx | nah, he just gets cranky sometimes | 20:14 |
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| johnx | but I was under the impression that the device ran directly off the battery and the dc-input just went to charging the battery | 20:15 |
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| johnx | thus, why it will turn off when the battery is removed | 20:15 |
| Gracana | Oh, that could be. | 20:15 |
| Gracana | I don't know anything about the battery (other than it's lithium ion), maybe the third terminal is just for charging? | 20:15 |
| Gracana | I always assumed it was for data, but data can just as easily be sent along the power rails. | 20:16 |
| Gracana | Oh wait, I recall why I was under the impression that it would continue to run. If the device freezes and you're connected to AC power, you have to disconnect that and the battery. | 20:19 |
| Gracana | But don't quote me on that, that's what I remember. That may not coincide with reality. | 20:19 |
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| johnx | I'll try and pull my battery while plugged into AC if you'd like :) | 20:21 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | bye johnx ;) | 20:21 |
| johnx | heh, running IRC on my desktop qwerty12_N800 :P | 20:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | or rather your tablet while it starts up again :) | 20:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yeah just realised :D | 20:22 |
| johnx | Gracana, yup. just turned off like I expected | 20:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i hope you sync'd before doing that :p | 20:22 |
| johnx | meh | 20:22 |
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| Gracana | johnx, can you get it to crash first? | 20:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mtd + jffs2 are picky as hell :p | 20:23 |
| Khertan_n810 | ouch sourceforge is now only an advertising server ? | 20:23 |
| johnx | the j in jffs2 is for journalling... | 20:23 |
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| johnx | Gracana, sorry, I don't really get what you mean? | 20:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx: i'm always getting jffs2 errors. my tablet reboots upon startup multiple times to fix them :\ | 20:23 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, that's interesting. I've never had a problem with jffs2 on any device I owned | 20:24 |
| Gracana | johnx, erm, nevermind, I must have remove ac power first. I was thinking that it was a software controlled thing.. Device crashes, remove battery, it continues to stay on until power is unplugged.. But I just realized I probably did that in the opposite sequence ;) | 20:24 |
| Gracana | Remove power, it's still on.. *removes battery* | 20:25 |
| johnx | exactly | 20:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx: bad behaviour on my part, multiple flashes, removing battery lots etc | 20:25 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, could be not-so-healthy flash memory | 20:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx: yeah :) | 20:25 |
| * qwerty12_N800 sets up sd boot | 20:26 | |
| johnx | there's no real reason that flashing it is worse than just using it and saving files | 20:26 |
| johnx | and when I was first hacking Debian onto mine, do you think I didn't pull the battery about a bazillion times? | 20:26 |
| lcuk | apart from flashing effects a hell of a lot more of the surface than just modifying random files | 20:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | sourceforge really suck now ! | 20:26 |
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| manyoso | what's the proper way to add a menu item for a debian package? | 20:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx: ah, but have you flashed 15 initfs's consecutivly (spelling, sorry) | 20:27 |
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| Khertan_n810 | manyoso: look at the maemo wiki | 20:27 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, guess not :P | 20:27 |
| manyoso | the docs sugges 'maemo-select-menu-location' but that's only for choosing | 20:27 |
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| Gracana | oh dear christ | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | manyoso: it also has a default setting though | 20:28 |
| * Gracana just formatted the wrong drive | 20:28 | |
| Gracana | Ooooooooooooops. | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | which is perfectly alright since people can choose where it goes then | 20:28 |
| lcuk | oh shit Gracana | 20:28 |
| fie_wrk | I honestly can't believe that this channel is so big. | 20:28 |
| fie_wrk | I dunno why :-/ | 20:28 |
| Gracana | Well, I suppose their wasn't anything very useful on there. | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | fie_wrk: people love their tablets | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:28 |
| johnx | Gracana, which fs? | 20:28 |
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| manyoso | Stskeeps: it is clear where this app should go | 20:28 |
| lcuk | whats so big about it? | 20:28 |
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| fie_wrk | Stskeeps, Apparently. | 20:28 |
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| johnx | manyoso, make a .desktop file under /usr/share/applications/hildon (sp?), IIRC | 20:28 |
| fie_wrk | Anyone have the magnetic cover? | 20:28 |
| Gracana | I formatted my linux/windows drive instead of the secondary drive I was installing MacOS onto. | 20:28 |
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| Gracana | Well, the good news is that SATA support works. | 20:29 |
| lcuk | as long as it was a windows drive no1 will cry | 20:29 |
| Gracana | :| | 20:29 |
| johnx | Gracana, formatted or just repartitioned? | 20:29 |
| manyoso | johnx: i've done that, but it doesn't show up | 20:29 |
| Gracana | Just repartitioned, johnx. I guess I could restore the table. | 20:29 |
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| johnx | manyoso, that should do it | 20:29 |
| johnx | Gracana, yeah, you're lucky...really lucky | 20:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | manyoso: it only doesn't show if you put it in /usr/share/applications ;) | 20:30 |
| Gracana | johnx, why, is there any easy way to restore the partition table? | 20:30 |
| johnx | Gracana, let me find the app I used last time. one sec | 20:30 |
| Gracana | cool, ok. | 20:30 |
| Gracana | It is not a huge deal if this drive is trashed. All my important stuff is on another machine. | 20:30 |
| Gracana | It would jut be lame. | 20:30 |
| * Stskeeps chose to have a file server with ZFS and store all his documents on there, with a backup system replicating his /home | 20:31 | |
| manyoso | qwerty12_N800: it is in /usr/share/applications/hildon | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | (and raidz) | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | never been happier, no data loss | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:31 |
| eichi | someone used roadmap and got some openstreetmap data? what to do? | 20:31 |
| Gracana | Stskeeps, I would like to do something like that. What I do right now is keep important files on three different computers. :P | 20:31 |
| Gracana | That way I can fuck up two and I'll still have them. | 20:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | manyoso: should show then unless the desktop file is at fault. maybe call update-desktop-database? | 20:32 |
| manyoso | ok | 20:32 |
| lcuk | i post all my important code to irc, that way i can just scrollback when i need to | 20:32 |
| Gracana | haha | 20:32 |
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| manyoso | qwerty12_N800: there it is! thanks | 20:33 |
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| manyoso | now do you know what controls which menu it is in? | 20:33 |
| manyoso | right now it is in 'Extras' | 20:34 |
| manyoso | but there is nothing in the desktop file that would put it there | 20:34 |
| manyoso | per se | 20:34 |
| johnx | Gracana, I believe it was testdisk | 20:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | manyoso: add maemo-select-menu-location as a dependency, run maemo-select-menu-location <name_of_desktop_ file> | 20:35 |
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| Gracana | johnx, that is an awesome tool. I will definitely try that out. | 20:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | run that from the postinst | 20:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | @manyoso | 20:36 |
| manyoso | qwerty12_N800: but how to do it without giving the user the choice? | 20:36 |
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| Khertan_n810 | manyoso: don t do thid | 20:37 |
| johnx | Gracana, yeah, I actually *formatted* my 500GB storage drive FAT32 over an ext3 fs when I mistook which /dev file it was | 20:37 |
| Khertan_n810 | s/thid/this | 20:37 |
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| Gracana | johnx, and you got it all back? o.o | 20:37 |
| johnx | I thought I was formatted an SD card...but it got about 99% of everything back | 20:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | manyoso: it takes a 3rd argument. can't remember the exact possible commands but to put something in utilities automaticly, use maemo-select-menu-location <name_of_desktop_ file> tana_fi_utilites | 20:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (spelling) | 20:38 |
| Gracana | johnx, wow, that is impressive. | 20:38 |
| dougt | timeless: you around? | 20:38 |
| johnx | well, FAT32 will just overwrite a very small bit at the beginning of the disk, and ext2/3 keeps backup superblocks all over the place | 20:38 |
| johnx | but yeah, I was lucky | 20:38 |
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| Gracana | I once accidentally started to erase my root reiserfs partition. Erased a bunch of partition data at the beginning. I couldn't get the reiserfs tools to fix it.. What I ended up doing was kind of weird. I dd'd /dev/zero over the entire beginning of the partition, and then used the reiserfs tools to restore the partition from scratch. It worked! | 20:39 |
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| Gracana | johnx, yeah, if you had used a different fs, you'd have been quite screwed. | 20:40 |
| lbt | how does time stay synced on the tablets? no ntp? | 20:40 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lbt: i use rdate and run retutime to shove the updated system time on the hardware clock | 20:41 |
| johnx | Gracana, oh, I'm sure. :) | 20:41 |
| Gracana | What a draining feeling that is.. | 20:41 |
| Gracana | "Oh god, it's all gone. *enter zombie mode trying to fix it*" | 20:42 |
| johnx | anything is recoverable, it just depends on how motivated you are | 20:42 |
| lbt | qwerty12_N800: ta - I'll look | 20:43 |
| Gracana | I suppose you're right. | 20:43 |
| Gracana | Even if you write a new partition table and filesystem over it, the data is still mostly there. | 20:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | bye | 20:44 |
| Gracana | Hell, even if you write over it, it can be somewhat recoverable. | 20:44 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lbt: it doesn't run automaticly but you can add a cronjob. i think ntpd is compiled somewhere too. | 20:45 |
| * qwerty12_N800 has only got 3 more libs to compile. i'd share the updated mpd but i've compiled it with libmp4ff :/ | 20:46 | |
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| Stskeeps | Gracana: i have my systems in three seperate locations, so my data is safer from fire ;> | 20:48 |
| * qwerty12_N800 uses a blowtorch with butane canisterz on all 3 | 20:49 | |
| Stskeeps | two of them is underground, one of them you need to go through three doors | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:49 |
| Gracana | Stskeeps, ah. My setup is not that organized, but I suppose I do have my important data copied to drives in different geographical locations. | 20:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: I'll use more butane :p | 20:49 |
| Gracana | Whee, do you have 3 colo boxes or what? | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | nah, net admin of a dorm | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | so have different locations to place boxen | 20:50 |
| Gracana | Oh hehe | 20:50 |
| lcuk | ~lart toothache | 20:50 |
| * infobot tries to shut toothache up | 20:50 | |
| Gracana | Saying "underground" sounds a lot cooler than "basement of a dorm" :P | 20:50 |
| * johnx has friends with too much space on their hands and fast inet connections :) | 20:51 | |
| Stskeeps | well it is underground.. they say that this dorm would be standing even after a nuclear war | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | as it's like.. serious concrete | 20:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: Ah, but will it survive a qwerty12 war? | 20:51 |
| lbt | sounds pretty | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, yeah :P | 20:52 |
| * lbt goes to encode his data into the DNA of cockroaches... | 20:52 | |
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| Stskeeps | someone seriously need to find a way to fix rdnis on n8x0 kernels | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | that, or compile g_serial.k | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | o | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | rndis, my bad | 20:56 |
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| johnx | hmm? is it really a problem on the n8x0 or is it a problem on the windows side? | 20:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zap's bug is a good thing to look at if someone wants to fix. i compared 2.6.18 and .21 and there is a lot of musb + gadget changes | 20:56 |
| yacoob | hm, anyone tried using automounter on tablet? | 20:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx: 2.6.21 kernel problem | 20:57 |
| johnx | g_ether seems to work fine when connected to linux | 20:57 |
| johnx | I haven't stressed it much, admittedly | 20:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yeah, rndis is windows specific | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | g_serial could be fun as it may be possible to put a serial console that way :P | 20:58 |
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| zap | qwerty12_N800: have you tried musb from latest kernel? | 20:59 |
| lcuk | but wouldnt you need the jtag adapter | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: well if you load it in initfs | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | admittedly it's not a -real- serial console, but it would output console messages if done properly | 21:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zap: no, i wanted to port the .18 one but never got around to it | 21:00 |
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| * Stskeeps goes take another shot at a workaround for the fsck/udev bug | 21:05 | |
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| qwerty12_N800 | "retu-adc #8: 476 batt: 50% [###___] idle:120.4h idle(w/wifi):45.3h" - "idle:120.4h idle(w/wifi):45.3h". I doubt that. | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it gives some funny results once in a while | 21:09 |
| johnx | I believe the 5 days | 21:09 |
| johnx | I don't believe the wifi idle time | 21:09 |
| johnx | maybe 4.5h of "wifi idle" | 21:09 |
| * Stskeeps moves udev to another place in the boot process and tries to see how bad that goes. | 21:11 | |
| * johnx plays with lxde/openbox and midori | 21:11 | |
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| johnx | having fast javascript is nice | 21:11 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | someone should update bundyo's midori hildonisation patch to the latest svn :> | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | midori.. whats that again? | 21:12 |
| mickeyl | are the dbus APIs for Chinook published anywhere in the reference docs? anyone got an URI offhand? | 21:13 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, webkit-gtk browser | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | brb booting into ubuntu since my tablet stalled at deblet boot. wonderful. | 21:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, another rounds of made up power consumption figures to compare x86 to ARM. | 21:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21233&goto=newpost | 21:14 |
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| Anunakin | johnx: You here? | 21:49 |
| johnx | Anunakin, for a bit | 21:49 |
| johnx | gonna head to sleep in a couple minutes | 21:49 |
| johnx | what's up? | 21:49 |
| Anunakin | johnx: I compiled g77 ... from diablo sources | 21:50 |
| johnx | ah, cool I guess. Are you a big Fortran fan? | 21:51 |
| Anunakin | johnx: Just now I compiling another math program for maemo... not hildonized at all | 21:51 |
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| Anunakin | johnx: no, just ... some cool programs ... uses fortran for compile | 21:51 |
| johnx | sounds good, then | 21:51 |
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| manyoso | how do i install a damn icon in the menu? | 21:53 |
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| manyoso | it should be the 'Icon=' line in the .desktop file, but nothing works | 21:53 |
| Anunakin | But, any knows where to get a sound equalizer for canola? | 21:53 |
| manyoso | i've installed the icon to /usr/share/icons/26x26/hildon/ but no go | 21:54 |
| johnx | manyoso, look at the .desktop and icon locations for a package that does | 21:54 |
| manyoso | i've done gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/hicolor | 21:54 |
| johnx | something simple, like maemopad | 21:54 |
| manyoso | johnx, i have | 21:54 |
| manyoso | i looked at skype | 21:54 |
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| johnx | no ideas then | 21:54 |
| manyoso | i verified that if I do 'Icon=skype' the skype icon shows up for my app | 21:54 |
| johnx | anyways, I need to catch some sleep | 21:55 |
| johnx | 'night all | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | nini | 21:55 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | night johnx | 21:55 |
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| * Stskeeps goes commit his fsck workaround | 21:55 | |
| manyoso | so then i did 'find . *|grep skype' and found only two png's both under /usr/share/icons/hicolor | 21:55 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, congrats :) | 21:55 |
| manyoso | so i overwrote those two pngs with my own icon | 21:55 |
| manyoso | but still the damn skype icon shows up | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: its a bad bad workaround | 21:55 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, my favorite kind :) | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: fsck rootfs manually before udev starts | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | :/ | 21:55 |
| manyoso | and i've tried gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/hicolor but this does nothing | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | without console or anything | 21:56 |
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| johnx | manyoso, use dpkg -L package-name to see all the icon files a package owns | 21:56 |
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| Anunakin | shit, this compile time is infinite | 21:57 |
| manyoso | johnx: that shows the same thing. and i've verified that I overwrote both of those with my own icon | 21:58 |
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| manyoso | but still the menu shows the skype icon | 21:58 |
| shepheb | anyone have a link to a working .deb of freeciv? I tried to build from SVN trunk, but it restarts my N810 after a few minutes at the menu, which seems largely unresponsive. | 21:59 |
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| shepheb | from the garage project's SVN trunk, I mean. | 21:59 |
| manyoso | wtf | 21:59 |
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| jott | manyoso: i think the g-u-i-cache does not flush the icons already cached by the menu. better name them differently instead of just overwriting them. | 22:05 |
| jott | (you need to restart the desktop or the device in that case) | 22:06 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=217345&postcount=76 <- some people -really- have too much time on their hands. | 22:15 |
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| Anunakin | Any knows why occur this error: "Relocations in generic ELF(EM:3)" ? | 22:17 |
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| Navi_ | Khertan: ping | 22:17 |
| lbt | Just an announcement - Shopper is now at 0.3.5 in extras-devel and works fairly well. Some cosmetic work and maybe some performance tweaks needed. | 22:18 |
| Navi_ | What's Shopper? | 22:19 |
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| lbt | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/shopper/ | 22:20 |
| Navi_ | Cool | 22:20 |
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| zethero1 | where can I get themes for my N800? | 22:22 |
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| Navi_ | There are a few on the maemo site | 22:25 |
| moontiger | lbt ... im going to try it out now :) | 22:25 |
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| zethero1 | Hey I recently bought a battery for my N800 but its not an original by the looks of it ... is this safe to use? | 22:27 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: i think i may have fixed the fsck bug now.. by making fsck be run before udev | 22:29 |
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| moontiger | manyoso, i was going to say too that a restart is needed often times to pick up new stuff | 22:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why are people so dead set on bad features? https://bugs.maemo.org/process_bug.cgi | 22:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd have to guess he's a Windows user. | 22:38 |
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| zethero1 | how do I install new themes on my N800? | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just install them | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're no different from normal packages. | 22:40 |
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| zethero1 | I downloaded a tar.gz file ... | 22:41 |
| zethero1 | from here | 22:41 |
| zethero1 | http://www.ubuntu-art.org/content/show.php/Maemo?content=25226&PHPSESSID=df5da8b0c13328546e38997d908946ca | 22:41 |
| lbt | back now :) | 22:41 |
| lbt | moontiger: let me know how it goes | 22:41 |
| Navi_ | zethero1: That's not actually a tablet theme | 22:42 |
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| zethero1 | ok? | 22:42 |
| lbt | turns out there maemo build of gtkmm is minimal | 22:42 |
| Navi_ | zethero1: you wanted a gnome theme? | 22:42 |
| lbt | so the _vfuncs are turned off | 22:42 |
| zethero1 | Navi_: sure | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | which is bloody irritating when porting | 22:42 |
| Navi_ | You just have to untar it in ~/.theme and change the metacity setting | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | gparted would be a straight port otherwise | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:42 |
| lbt | yes | 22:42 |
| Navi_ | or ~/.themes | 22:43 |
| Navi_ | I don't remember | 22:43 |
| lbt | well, there are workarounds - access the gobj() | 22:43 |
| lbt | (ugh!!) | 22:43 |
| Navi_ | They're not very consistent with the pluralities | 22:43 |
| moontiger | ~extras | 22:43 |
| infobot | extras is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 22:43 |
| moontiger | ~extras-upload | 22:44 |
| lbt | anyhow Navi_, moontiger, I would be pleased if you tried it and let me know of any issues... | 22:44 |
| lbt | ~extras-devel | 22:44 |
| moontiger | doh! | 22:44 |
| Navi_ | zethero1: yeah, it's ~/.themes | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~upload-extras | 22:44 |
| infobot | hmm... upload-extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 22:44 |
| Navi_ | GAsux | 22:44 |
| moontiger | doh! doh! | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~extras-upload is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 22:44 |
| infobot | okay, GeneralAntilles | 22:44 |
| Navi_ | lbt: are we talking about the shopping list? | 22:44 |
| lbt | yes | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~extras-uploading is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 22:44 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles: okay | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~uploading-extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 22:45 |
| Navi_ | all right, I'll give it a go, lbt | 22:45 |
| infobot | okay, GeneralAntilles | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Solved. | 22:45 |
| zethero1 | Navi_: so that would be through the terminal .. right? | 22:45 |
| Navi_ | zethero1: well, you can tar it to ~/.themes/ in any way you'd like | 22:45 |
| Navi_ | with your favorite uncompressor or whatnot | 22:46 |
| Navi_ | and the metacity theme setting is in the gnome control panel somewhere | 22:46 |
| zethero1 | so that link I sent to you ... was that a tablet theme? | 22:46 |
| Navi_ | Nah | 22:46 |
| Navi_ | that was a gnome theme | 22:46 |
| zethero1 | hmm | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~extras-devel is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras#Extras-devel | 22:46 |
| infobot | okay, GeneralAntilles | 22:46 |
| Navi_ | like I had said before :P | 22:46 |
| zethero1 | do you know of any good themes for tablets? | 22:46 |
| Navi_ | NuvoClear is a pretty popular tablet theme | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Aren't the server upgrades supposed to be coming this week? . . . | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/ | 22:49 |
| Navi_ | Suck less, GeneralAntilles | 22:49 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | ~lart python | 22:51 |
| * infobot send killer squirrels to attack python | 22:51 | |
| GeneralAntilles | ~python qwerty12_N800 | 22:51 |
| * infobot sends a jittery python to attack qwerty12_N800. | 22:51 | |
| moontiger | lol | 22:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | HOLY SHIT | 22:51 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 lied | 22:52 | |
| Navi_ | How well does VGB run? | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better than Navi_ runs. | 22:53 |
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| Navi_ | GeneralAntilles: shut up, if you want pics of me walking down the street with a wiimote and tablet. | 22:53 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | wiimote and tablet = Navi's chainz | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | The dedicated gamer. | 22:54 |
| Navi_ | nubz | 22:54 |
| Navi_ | I want some POKEY MANS | 22:54 |
| * GeneralAntilles throws a pile of Pandora mock-ups at Navi. | 22:54 | |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I want Cokemon but vgb refuses to load it :( | 22:54 |
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| Navi_ | It's because you suck. | 22:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | suck your pokéballs | 22:55 |
| ccooke | So... is internettablettalk dying a bit? There doesn't seem to be any real news in the last month or so... | 22:57 |
| moontiger | GeneralAntilles, what do i have to change when i upload a new version of my app to make it show up as an update? | 22:57 |
| lbt | the version... | 22:57 |
| lbt | add a new changelog entry C-C C-v in emacs | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | ccooke: define "real news"? :P | 22:58 |
| Navi_ | ccooke: we're just all too busy playing with our N900s | 22:58 |
| Navi_ | even too busy to announce it | 22:58 |
| lbt | the laser projected full size keyboard is cool | 22:58 |
| Navi_ | Pretty impractical, though | 22:58 |
| lbt | cats like it | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | ccooke: there's plenty activity going about in the deblet threads and different people doing kde/gnome etc on tablets, and bootmenu trouble | 22:59 |
| ccooke | Navi_: *laugh* | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:59 |
| lbt | what else matters | 22:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | ccooke, itT has been dying for a very long time. | 22:59 |
| Navi_ | itT can't die | 22:59 |
| Navi_ | the guy who runs it is like, the smartest guy in the world | 22:59 |
| lbt | (doesn't run deblet then) | 22:59 |
| * lbt runs and hides | 22:59 | |
| ccooke | Navi_: The n900's the one that has a built in fusion plant, right? | 23:00 |
| * Stskeeps yawns and passes lbt the coffee pot | 23:00 | |
| * qwerty12_N800 shoots lbt for Stskeeps | 23:00 | |
| GeneralAntilles | The N900 is powered by the hopes and dreams of little children. | 23:00 |
| Navi_ | Of course not. It's next door, in the anti-matter containment field | 23:00 |
| dougt | GeneralAntilles: i heard it was made by little children. | 23:00 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: OK - how do I patch my deblet to include your fix... | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: sec | 23:00 |
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| Stskeeps | edit your /etc/fstab to have 0 0 in the end of rootfs instead, and replace /etc/init.d/boot-basics with this file..: | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/browser/trunk/nit-base-packages/boot-basics/etc/init.d/boot-basics | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | .. or just upgrade_deblet and apt-get dist-upgrade | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | (if you have a running deblet) | 23:02 |
| lbt | can't boot yet | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | it will prolly work in chroot too | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | er | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | no | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | just replace that file :P | 23:02 |
| * Stskeeps needs to look into debian chroot and upgrade path | 23:02 | |
| dougt | do dbus messages get handled through the event loop? | 23:03 |
| dougt | or are the handled in some other magic way? | 23:03 |
| lbt | ok | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | dougt: i think it's the underpants gnomes delivering them to the application | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:03 |
| lbt | does trac have a download url ? like ....bootbasics?format=raw | 23:04 |
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| moontiger | lbt, thnx | 23:04 |
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| moontiger | im looking thru ur app and will give u feedback later | 23:04 |
| lbt | :D | 23:04 |
| * lbt says "yes lbt - there's a dl link at the bottom of the page you idiot" | 23:05 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/nit-base-packages/boot-basics/etc/init.d/boot-basics | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | as well | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:05 |
| lbt | ooh - I've got diff on my tablet at last... | 23:07 |
| lbt | I like deblet | 23:07 |
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| zethero1 | is there a way to graphically browse the filesystem? | 23:07 |
| lbt | file manager? | 23:08 |
| qwerty12_away | emelfm2, mc etc | 23:08 |
| zethero1 | how do I get into root? | 23:08 |
| lbt | https://wiki.maemo.org/ | 23:08 |
| qwerty12_away | ~rootsh | 23:08 |
| infobot | i heard rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ | 23:08 |
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| zethero1 | do I do that in the terminal? | 23:09 |
| zethero1 | can I browse to / in the file manager ? | 23:11 |
| zethero1 | or is that not possible? | 23:12 |
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| dougt | Stskeeps: that explains that! | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | dougt: afaik dbus is a seperate socket prolly selected() during event loop or whatever | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | dougt: and the question is a bit ambigious since there's different toolkits and ways to do it :) | 23:14 |
| dougt | Stskeeps: mostly wanna understand how the osso_hw_set_event_cb | 23:14 |
| * dougt works. | 23:14 | |
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| Stskeeps | IHateSourceforge: join the club | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | i officially hate it after the huge download banners | 23:15 |
| dougt | i was told it uses dbus to notify the application that registered for this notification | 23:15 |
| * Stskeeps is off to bed | 23:15 | |
| * IHateSourceforge can t found the download link | 23:15 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: just prod me if the fix actually works. i messed around my installation image quite badly so i cant be sure | 23:15 |
| lbt | yes - it's up | 23:16 |
| Stskeeps | it worked? good | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~root-access | 23:16 |
| lbt | well | 23:16 |
| lbt | I mounted fsck and made the changes | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~root-access is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access | 23:16 |
| lbt | I got some dsme errors | 23:16 |
| infobot | okay, GeneralAntilles | 23:16 |
| lbt | and now I'm stuck with nm-applet asking for the keyring passwd | 23:16 |
| lbt | and it won't take no for an answer | 23:17 |
| lbt | <sigh> | 23:17 |
| lbt | I'll see what happens on the next crash | 23:17 |
| lbt | hopefully it'll be a while | 23:17 |
| dougt | anyone interested in helping on the Mozilla Fennec project? We need someone to help fix up our deb packaging; it is a mess. | 23:17 |
| * GeneralAntilles can't deal with the non-native interface. | 23:17 | |
| zethero1 | is it possible to browse the N800 root filesystem from a computer when connected via USB? | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | zethero1, wrong question to ask | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're looking for sshfs or sftp | 23:21 |
| zethero1 | ok | 23:21 |
| dougt | GeneralAntilles: we get pretty damn close. | 23:21 |
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| lbt | zethero1: most of the questions you're asking I'd answer by just trying :) | 23:21 |
| zethero1 | I am trying to graphically browse my root area ... | 23:21 |
| dougt | making progress all of the time. :-) | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Install OpenSSH and either add the connection to an ftp client or install sshfs on your computer. | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | dougt, to Hildon? I think not. | 23:21 |
| dougt | oh, hildon. | 23:22 |
| dougt | we haven't started on that yet. | 23:22 |
| zethero1 | GeneralAntilles: I have to do all that? | 23:22 |
| dougt | native theming still has to happen. | 23:22 |
| lbt | or open the application manager and browse for a file manager | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | But Firefox's "native" set in OS X isn't really workable. | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Close but just not close enough. | 23:22 |
| zethero1 | GeneralAntilles: why is it that the file manager cannot browse the root area? | 23:22 |
| dougt | FF3 is very good. | 23:22 |
| dougt | ff2 sucked. | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | FF3 is BETTER, but still not GOOD. | 23:23 |
| lbt | dougt: URL? | 23:23 |
| dougt | to? | 23:23 |
| lbt | Mozilla Fennec | 23:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | zethero1, Nokia's "usability" philosophy. | 23:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | zethero1, just install emelfm2 | 23:23 |
| dougt | lbt: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/ | 23:23 |
| zethero1 | is there an alternative file manger? | 23:23 |
| zap | they promise a up to 40X speedup in javascript in tff3.1 | 23:23 |
| lbt | ta | 23:23 |
| zap | that would be megacool, as the ff UI is all in javascript | 23:23 |
| dougt | lbt: there are some downloads here: http://people.mozilla.com/~pavlov/fennec/m7/ | 23:24 |
| dougt | pre-alpha. | 23:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | zethero1, emelfm2 | 23:24 |
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| lbt | dougt: is it scratchbox compatible? | 23:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'd rather see some of the more interesting UI stuff integrated into MicroB. | 23:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | XUL is just too heavy for the tablets. | 23:24 |
| dougt | lbt: it is best to run on the device. | 23:24 |
| dougt | qemu doesn't really work for us. | 23:25 |
| lbt | I meant to build :) | 23:25 |
| dougt | oh yeah, | 23:25 |
| zethero1 | GeneralAntilles: its not in my list of apps | 23:25 |
| dougt | here are our instructions: | 23:25 |
| dougt | https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/cs2007q3 | 23:25 |
| lbt | pulling src | 23:25 |
| dougt | that is how we setup scratchbox | 23:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-0f3ef474be5211dcbd9c2f00d5e47c2a7c2a | 23:25 |
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| lbt | I see CHINOOK - Diablo too? | 23:26 |
| dougt | lbt: and this is how we built: | 23:26 |
| dougt | https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/Maemo_Build_Instructions | 23:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fennec's not interesting to me until I can actually input text into it, anyway. | 23:26 |
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| lbt | :D | 23:26 |
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| dougt | lbt: #mobile on irc.mozilla.org for help/questions | 23:26 |
| dougt | GeneralAntilles: yeah, software keyboard. | 23:27 |
| hvelarde | hi, is there a way to debug a connection between the tablet and a phone | 23:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get some Raid | 23:27 |
| hvelarde | I was using my tablet with internet connection in my phone, but suddenly it stop working | 23:27 |
| dougt | GeneralAntilles: there is a patch, but it needs some help. | 23:27 |
| dougt | GeneralAntilles: wanna help? :-) | 23:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hvelarde: if you want raw bluetooth data, bluez-hcidump | 23:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dougt, I'm not much of a coder, and most of my time is already invested MicroB's direction. ;) | 23:28 |
| hvelarde | qwerty12_N800: mmm, no... I want to know why it is failling, if the network operator changed the password or something | 23:28 |
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| dougt | cool. if things change, the door is always open ! :-) | 23:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Will keep it in mind! | 23:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | It just hasn't tickled my fancy yet. . . . | 23:29 |
| lbt | dougt: I noted the urls - I'll see if I can build it sometime... bed now though... cheers. | 23:29 |
| dougt | lbt: cool. here to help when you get stuck! | 23:30 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 really has to pack dpkg so it doesn't quit when writing to a vfat card so i can repack debss quickly to install graphics etc to the mmc | 23:31 | |
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| zethero1 | can I run emelfm2 as root? | 23:33 |
| Navi_ | Sure? | 23:33 |
| Navi_ | run it as root in the terminal | 23:34 |
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| zethero1 | ok I did sudo emelfm2 and its asking me for a password | 23:34 |
| zethero1 | but I don't remember making one .. | 23:34 |
| zethero1 | !? | 23:34 |
| Navi_ | use becomeroot or easyroot or something | 23:35 |
| zethero1 | ok .. working ... thanks | 23:37 |
| dougt | does anyone know if callbacks set in osso_hw_set_event_cb get called even if the event loop isn't looping? | 23:39 |
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| * dougt writes a test case. | 23:39 | |
| zethero1 | is there a rename option in emelfm2 ? | 23:41 |
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| IHateSourceforge | yep -> osso-xterm -> mv | 23:44 |
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| moontiger | IHateSourceforge, does py2deb pick up a changelog file automatically in the build process? | 23:45 |
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| IHateSourceforge | if you specify it :) | 23:45 |
| moontiger | hmmmmmmmmmm how do i do that? | 23:46 |
| moontiger | change=True? | 23:46 |
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| IHateSourceforge | nope changelog="* blabla" | 23:47 |
| moontiger | just have that file in the folder with the other files? | 23:48 |
| IHateSourceforge | as a param of the generate method | 23:48 |
| moontiger | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh | 23:48 |
| moontiger | just the new entry for this build? | 23:48 |
| IHateSourceforge | take a string in param not file | 23:48 |
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