IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2008-06-25

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GeneralAntillesIf you have the same repositories.00:00
Navitimeless, ping00:01
killfillhey.. im trying to use syncevolution00:05
mgedminkkrusty: the diablo repositories are mostly empty today, but you can continue to use chinook repositories00:05
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mgedminmost packages appear to work00:05
aquatixsay, where are maemo's themes stored?00:05
mgedminsome don't00:05
killfillanyone can share a config ?...00:06
killfillim getting this: http://pastebin.com/ma7cc00700:06
kkrustymgedmin: good to hear00:06
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m-c__Hmmm - Nokia announces plans to release Symbian over the next two years, under the "Eclipse" Public License00:07
killfillwhat type should i use got gpe-calendar?...00:07
konttori_Jaffa: nice wallpaper you have00:08
GeneralAntilleskonttori_, it's an old OS X wallpaper. ;)00:08
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konttori_really? Yeah, I suppose so, with hue shift. nice anyway.00:09
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killfilldammit.. synevolution doesnt work.. :S00:16
killfillanyone uses it, or synconizes gpe-calendar with an external syncML server?00:16
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killfillit isnstalls things in /usr/lib/syncevolution/00:18
killfillis that correct?...00:18
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kkrustyIm thinking that maemo repositories might be in heavy use right now00:25
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timelesshello world00:26
timelessi'm looking for someone w/ 4.1 and a bit of time00:26
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kkrustydiablo?00:26
jsmithtimeless: Do do what?00:26
GeneralAntillesHow much time?00:26
kkrustyyou have 3 volunteers00:26
Stskeepswill there be cookies?00:27
kkrustywill you take my n800 and give me an n810?00:27
Navitimeless, what do you need?00:28
RST38hWell, Modest crashed. Only took 30 minutes or so00:28
RST38hIn background mode.00:28
GeneralAntilleslol00:28
GeneralAntillestimeless's personal gopher squad00:28
NaviPfft00:28
killfillnooe uses syncevolution?...00:29
killfillnoone00:29
killfillhow do you guys sync your gpe-calendar then?...00:29
NaviI played with it, but I've never set it up00:29
timelessload http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/feeds.opml00:29
timelesswhat happens?00:29
timelesssorry, distracted :(00:30
Navion the browser?00:30
timelessyes00:30
Navik00:30
kkrustykillfill: erming?00:31
Navitimeless, oh yeah, do you do your testing with the svn on 4.1?00:31
killfillkkrusty, its for google only...00:31
kkrustykillfill: right00:31
timelessjust normal browser from 4.100:31
GeneralAntilleshttp://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/microb-test1.jpg00:31
Navitimeless, oh, this is an unrelated question00:31
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kkrustyI've been trying to use the simple way of installing packages; running the .install files from maemo.org. And thats not working, any ideas?00:32
timelessok, it didn't change00:33
timelessfigures00:33
timelessjust checking00:33
* Navi shrugs00:33
Navilololololol00:33
NaviI have two wifi applets in my statusbar00:34
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GeneralAntillesNavi broke Diablo00:34
GeneralAntillesgj Navi00:34
NaviThanks!00:34
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GeneralAntillestimeless, my text input bugs didn't get fixed, either. :(00:34
JaffaDamn, can I be bothered to unpack, and flash separately the FIASCO parts using 0xFFFF (on x86_64), or just wait and use Windows tomorrow00:34
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NaviGeneralAntilles, build teh svn dood00:35
GeneralAntillesYou do it, Mr. I-actually-have-Scratchbox.00:35
Navibut you're so leet00:35
Naviyou can compile using your mind00:35
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NaviThat's the extent of your leetness00:37
kkrustyso am I supposed to build with svn too? speaking of which, how do I get something built on scratchbox onto the n800?00:37
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GeneralAntillesHi, sjgadsby.00:37
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JaffaOh, that answers that: 0xFFFF latest version barfs on the diablo image.00:37
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Navikkrusty, copy it over?00:38
kkrustyNavi: really? I was expecting to have to build packages00:38
timelesssorry, keep in mind that 23 is 2-3weeks ago00:38
sjgadsbyHey, GeneralAntilles.00:38
timelessand the product was mostly burried a few months ago00:38
mgedminhow is the {{Release history table}} mediawiki magic implemented?00:38
kkrustyNavi: but that makes sense. Did I mention that I was extra slow today?00:38
Navitimeless, latest SVN work on 4.1?00:38
mgedminit still claims diablo is in the future00:38
Navikkrusty, packages aren't a requirement, but it keeps things clean00:39
keesjfor me diablo is still not on maemo.org , it 's a kind of weird00:39
aquatixdiablo is up and running \o/00:40
GeneralAntillesmgedmin, it's a template00:40
timelessi believe so00:40
GeneralAntillesTemplate:Release history table00:40
timelessbe sure to include all the pieces00:40
timelessbe careful about dependencies00:42
timelesswe're in the process of moving to some other packages which aren't in diablo core00:42
timelesswe may be internally hosting them, if we are, it's definitely possible to get your own versions00:43
timelyqwerty12_N800: bugs are made high priority by internal email00:43
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timelymost people ignore bugmail00:43
Navitimeless, are you talking to me?00:44
timelythat said, i get to read the internal bug tracker starting in an hour or so00:44
qwerty12_N800timely, me?00:44
timelybecause my browser release notes are now overdue :(00:44
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timelyGeneralAntilles: you could only use stage if stage doesn't enforce it00:45
timelyandre___: wrt browser, don't expect us to ship more often00:45
aquatixhm, maemo sites a bit overloaded?00:46
* aquatix tries to install some programs00:46
andre___damn :)00:46
timelywe're actively destablizing and not likely to be stable for a while00:46
Jaffatimely: can you say anything about intent to release more frequent in-life upgrades using SSU? Or is it going to be primarily used to streamline the twice-yearly upgrade cycle?00:46
kkrustyaquatix: you're installing it with those .install files?00:46
kkrusty*it = them00:46
timelyJaffa: i certainly can't say anything publicly00:47
timelyand i definitely don't know anything00:47
aquatixkkrusty: i was browsing the os2008 site, and clicked the link to fbreader's garage page00:47
timelyi do know of one planned update00:47
aquatixbut it loads now00:47
Jaffatimely: one implies the other, certainly :-)00:47
aquatixkkrusty: and yes, with those .install files00:47
timelywrt browser, the fact is that anyone can build browser from svn and just play w/ it00:47
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timelyi expect some people will do that00:47
Jaffatimely: aye00:47
kkrustyaquatix: so how are you installing programs?00:47
aquatixbut it can't find fbreader, so i'll wait for a diablo version00:47
Navilike GeneralAntilles00:47
timelyand i will try to take any bugs filed based on that and get them addressed asap00:47
aquatixkkrusty: clicking the Install now link :)00:47
NaviHe's totally going to build the SVN and play with it00:47
kkrustyaquatix: righto. Thats what Im seeing00:48
JaffaNavi: Yeah, I heard that too.00:48
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timelyandre___: wrt 2765 you basically get to do two restores00:48
NaviNah, he can't build :P00:48
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timelyone to restore repos, then you enable extras, then you reinstall applications00:48
JaffaTsk, there's a VMware image and everything.00:48
timelythis was a documented bug many moons ago00:48
djsiegelHey, whenever I try to install an app using an install link I get an "Application not found error" -- I just flashed the device with Diablo. What gives?00:49
qwerty12_N800surely cs2005 toolchains exist for macs for cross compiling?00:49
JaffaOooh, that reminds me: I've got a get-out clause when my mother-in-law arrives at the weekend: sticking vala, and a vala app in mud and then poking them into the extras-devel autobuilder.00:49
kkrustydjsiegel: welcome to the club00:49
djsiegelok, glad to know it's not my fault :)00:49
djsiegelor some sort of mummy's curse00:49
mgedmindjsiegel: the repositories are empty now00:49
lcddcan someone test if http://feeds.feedburner.com/scienceblogs/wDAM works in the diablo feed reader?00:50
NaviJaffa, he always gets me to build stuff00:50
Navilike I'm some whore or something00:50
JaffaThe install files almost certainly don't specify the distribution. The 'diablo' extras are fairly empty; but 'chinook' is still full.00:50
kkrustydjsiegel: It could be that. Are you wearing socks?00:50
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djsiegelmgedmin, that's what I suspected.00:50
djsiegelkkrusty: negative00:50
qwerty12_N800Navi, whores build?00:50
JaffaNavi: well, I did you picture in a London phone box the other day on a little postcard.00:50
Navi>_>00:50
Naviqwerty12_N800, whores build for other people on demand00:51
kkrustyso how about chinook repositories. How do we use them?00:51
djsiegelCan you guys point me to some good maemo/n810 blogs? I've never felt like I've used it to near its fullest potential00:51
timelyandre___: assuming you were the one posting about combining bugs.maemo+garage00:51
Jaffadjsiegel: planet.maemo.org - all the good ones in one place00:51
timelyi'm all in favor. i think we should probably use classifications to shield garage from main00:51
andre___i was00:51
timelybut that's a minor detail00:51
andre___yupp00:51
Jaffakkrusty: there was stuff on the wiki page you were pointed to earlier IIRC00:51
djsiegelAnd does anyone know what the ETA is on Diablo repos being populated?00:52
kkrustyJaffa: aah! sorry00:52
Jaffadjsiegel: it's primarily up to the app authors.00:52
djsiegelugh, that's what I was about to ask00:52
djsiegeloh well, I'm sure all the worthwhile apps will be repackaged soon00:52
GeneralAntillesJaffa, find me a vmware that works on ppc. :P00:53
JaffaThere's efforts underway to stick all the chinook apps through the diablo auto-builder, but...00:53
JaffaGeneralAntilles: Ah. Erm. Full-blown PC emulator, run Linux on it, run free VMware in that :-)00:53
mgedminJaffa: did *all* the packages fail to build then?00:53
timelyVeggen: did you find/file a bug about restoring "application categories"?00:54
mgedminif not, why is the diablo extras empty?00:54
Jaffamgedmin: don't think so, but they end up in extras-devel and need promoting AIUI. I was only tangentially following it, TBH00:54
GeneralAntillesJaffa, :shudder:00:54
qwerty12_N800Meh, just compile a toolchain.00:54
mgedminoh, right, -devel00:54
GeneralAntillesDiablo-extras shouldn't be empty.00:54
mgedminbut I have -devel00:54
mgedminhttp://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/diablo/free/binary-armel/Packages is empty00:55
GeneralAntillesIt had stuff in it weeks ago.00:55
* Jaffa thought that too00:55
GeneralAntillesOh, btw, timely, your "Diablo will be released with the N810W" was total fail. :P00:56
JaffaNo, it was a "if ..." wasn't it?00:56
* sp3000 tries to move the clock applet without starting the clock app00:57
sp3000I only fail one third of the time!00:57
GeneralAntilleslol00:57
GeneralAntillesIt's second nature to me now.00:57
GeneralAntillesJust swoop in and keep moving.00:57
sjgadsbyApplets on ice00:57
GeneralAntillesDon't tap and wait00:58
GeneralAntillesOne fluid motion00:58
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mgedminGeneralAntilles: what?  you mean N810W wasn't released at the same time as Diablo?00:58
sp3000yeah, the part where it thinks that a longish press followed by drag is an attempt to open is pretty confused00:58
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GeneralAntillesUgh00:59
GeneralAntillesStill gotta update this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet_OS#Diablo00:59
GeneralAntillesSomebody want to do it for me? :P00:59
mgedminooh, pretty colours00:59
mgedminupdate it how?00:59
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PhosphoricXHello I could use some help setting up cpu-transparency on VMware for the N800.01:00
mgedminmove it from future to past?01:01
GeneralAntillesThe Diablo section has some inaccurate information and needs to be moved out of the "Future" section.01:01
GeneralAntillesProbably under OS200801:01
timelyglass_: there's also Haiku01:01
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* mgedmin too tired01:01
qwerty12_N800Sigh, I remember my BeOS days...01:02
t_s_ohehe, with streamtuner it makes for a nice netradio ;)01:02
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GeneralAntilleshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet_OS#Diablo01:05
GeneralAntilleserg01:05
GeneralAntillesslow clipboard01:05
GeneralAntilleshttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=195261&postcount=19901:05
sp3000is the preinstalled extras entry weird or is it supposed to work without the dist name?01:06
GeneralAntillesBlank dist defaults to current01:06
timelyJaffa: i take it i should be glad i don't read ITT :)01:06
GeneralAntillesSo, "diablo" in this case.01:06
sp3000I suppose it could dream up a name there automatically if it's blank or something01:06
Jaffatimely: oh, yes.01:06
sp3000ah, ok01:06
sp3000that does make sense :)01:06
Jaffaish01:06
timelyJaffa: afaik there's still no lock applets :)01:07
timelyand from what i can tell, there are no plans for one01:07
timelyNavi: pong01:07
Jaffatimely: oh, FFS. I know ragnar was suggesting a better UI like auto-snapping dynamic grids; but "lock"'d probably do it IMHO01:07
timelyGeneralAntilles: yeah well... i did say something about not wanting to make predictions01:09
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timelyi guess they had to stick w/ their 08H1 promise01:10
RST38hwhy not have lock *and* grids?01:10
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* timely shrugs01:10
timelyi just read and complain01:11
timelyi can't influence01:11
JaffaRST38h: auto-snapping dynamic grids are fairly tricky to implement, compared with 'boolean is_locked'01:11
sully_after flashing diablo, rhapsody install fails, saying that the "osso-ic" package is missing, is there a work-around to this?01:11
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Jaffasully_: the image apparently has a broken apt database, and needs an apt-get -f install to fix (AIUI)01:12
mgedminJaffa, sully_: I'm afraid that won't help01:12
mgedminit's just a side effect of that that you see three extra unsatisfied dependencies for every failed package install, *in addition to* the real library that's missing01:13
RST38hJaffa: X=round((double)X/Step)*Step; ...01:13
aquatixnow why can't i remove the Rhapsody menu item01:13
RST38hJaffa: this easy.01:13
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Jaffamgedmin: ah, ta01:13
aquatixwhuh, now i can01:13
aquatixwhatever01:13
sully_mgedmin: thanks, is there anything I can do?01:13
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JaffaRST38h: no, that's not a *dynamic* grid. The suggestion was for a grid which existed purely on the boundaries of existing applets x0,y0, x1,y1 - still not /really/ hard, but not trivial01:14
GeneralAntillesaquatix, nuke the .desktop01:14
GeneralAntillessame for Skype and Gizmo01:14
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timelyaquatix: iirc rhapsody is a package01:15
timelyyou should be able to uninstall it01:15
RST38hJaffa: Ah, this requires making two lists01:15
RST38ha bit more difficult, yes01:15
aquatixtimely: well, it's not in the appmanager01:15
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aquatixand if i click the menu item, it asks to install it01:15
derfRST38h: And _iterating_ over them.01:16
timelyaquatix: red pill01:16
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mgedminsully_: no idea; never used rhapsody; don't care about it at all ever since I heard it was US-only01:16
qwerty12_N800timely, the package rhapsody-installer is depended on by osso-software-version. we all know what that means :/01:17
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RST38hderf: and what is wrong about iterating over two rather small lists?01:17
sully_mgedmin: bummer, it was a big reason i like the device, didn't occur to me that it would not have been tested with virgin diablo install01:18
GeneralAntillesaquatix, /usr/share/applications/hildon01:18
mgedminI miss my mmpc somewhat01:18
derfRST38h: You'll need a temporary variable! It'll be at least _three_ lines of code each...01:18
GeneralAntillessully_, phone Rhapsody support.01:18
mgedminit's also not installable on diablo01:18
RST38hderf: Oh, the horror! The suffering!01:19
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aquatixtimely: ah, thanks01:19
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GeneralAntilleslol . . . <_< http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21233&page=2101:21
GeneralAntillesWho wants to step in there? :P01:21
RST38hEntry/exit from Canola2 has become waaay too long in Diablo01:21
RST38hCanola literally starts for 2-4 minutes now01:22
GeneralAntillesUgh, Application Menu is way buggy for some reason. :\01:22
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RST38hanyway, time to sleep01:23
pupnik_gnite RST38h01:23
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timelyGeneralAntilles / X-Fade: who is responsible for the wildcard on maemo.org?01:24
timelyyou've still managed to mess up01:24
sidnei_has the browser been improved on diablo?01:24
RST38hg'night01:24
timelyyou can't use *.maemo.org for maemo.org01:24
timelythe * means there is exactly one host in that slot01:24
RST38hpupnik: Please, commit your stuff to extras, please....01:24
aquatixg'night all01:24
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GeneralAntillesHey, pupnik_.01:24
pupnik_hi GeneralAntilles01:24
GeneralAntillestimely, I don't have a damn thing to do with the hosting. :P01:25
timelyGeneralAntilles: ok :)01:25
t_s_ohmm, anyone else experiencing that the powerbutton menu relocates towards the lower right at times?01:25
* timely sighs and pulls out laptop to do work01:25
lcukpupnik_, hey, ping and all that01:25
timelyWTF01:26
timelyIssued To01:26
timelyCommon Name (CN) *01:26
pupnik_lcuk: hi01:26
timely?#!#$@$01:26
lcukyou in the pub again pupnik_01:26
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pupnik_no back at home, paid off the isp bill01:27
lcukis all sorted now?01:27
pupnik_no still 46 eu behind :)01:27
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lcukyou got paypal?01:28
pupnik_yes, don't need charity tho :)01:28
pupnik_ty01:28
lcuki hope you've not stopped hacking gameswise01:29
pupnik_dead stop on that01:29
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lcukboo01:29
t_s_ohmm, it seems its not just the powerbutton dialog, but all dialogs in general...01:30
qwerty12_N800t_s_o, you haven't been reading my thread on matchbox "hacking"?01:31
t_s_oprobably not01:32
qwerty12_N800ah, one of the window manager tweaks can cause that to happen too.01:32
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t_s_oi dont know what have triggered it, and it seems quite random...01:35
t_s_ohad a bit of fun in the browser btw, the search dialog on the itt forum would vanish when the onscreen keyboard popped into view. and hitting the link to get the dialog back made the keyboard vanish...01:36
t_s_oit was like being on one of those loney toon cartoons...01:37
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GeneralAntillesandre___/timely, would osso-email work for the old email component?01:57
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andre___now *that's* a good idea01:57
GeneralAntilleslol01:58
andre___...but why am I still sitting in front of a computer? Hmm, I chat with too many people. :-D01:58
GeneralAntillessleeeeeep01:58
* Jaffa is blaming Wikipedia01:59
* GeneralAntilles was momentarily hopeful that Jaffa was fixing up the ITOS article.01:59
GeneralAntillesWhich _still_ needs a new name. <_<01:59
JaffaBut one which isn't clear01:59
JaffaMaemo_releases?01:59
GeneralAntillesMaemo OS is my vote. :\02:00
Tama^2Hi02:00
GeneralAntillesHey, Tama^2.02:00
Tama^2Hi GA, long time no see02:00
JaffaWith an introduction saying Nokia is the only organisation to have released any operating systems based on the Maemo platform.02:00
GeneralAntillesQuim didn't take the bait when it was discussed on the Branding talk page. :D02:00
Tama^2installe diablo and the touch screen on my N800 now works like a charm02:00
JaffaGeneralAntilles: indeed02:00
Tama^2:)02:01
GeneralAntillesHe seemed to think I should name the article "OS2008"02:01
timelesswhich article?02:01
GeneralAntilleshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet_OS02:02
timelessoh that reminds me02:02
timelessi need to fix koffice on ohloh02:02
GeneralAntillesHrm, isn't MicroB at 1.0.4 or something now?02:02
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GeneralAntillesThe about: page needs to be updated02:03
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GeneralAntillesVersion: 1.0.4-60.9 according to "apt-cache show microb-engine"02:04
PhosphoricXIs there a way to restart Maemo menus on the device (like af-sb-init.sh on scratchbox) ?02:04
rm_youGeneralAntilles: :P02:04
rm_yoube back in... 7 hours02:04
GeneralAntillesOK then. Bye? :P02:05
timelessPhosphoricX: why do you need to do that?02:05
* rm_you enjoys Diablo root-on-sd02:05
rm_youfinally had room to install wesnoth :P02:05
PhosphoricXtimeless: Editing a .desktop file and I don't have CPU transparency working02:05
timelessi think that if it dies it'll be resurrected02:05
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GeneralAntillestimeless, should I file a bug to get the MicroB about: page updated?02:07
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* GeneralAntilles wonders why e-m-o is especially underlined. http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_firebird8_2.png02:09
JaffaIt's part of a cult. I read it in the Daily Mail.02:10
JaffaIt was sent to me as a joke, unfortunately - they meant it seriously.02:10
Jaffahttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=566481&in_page_id=1879 - hilarious stuff02:10
GeneralAntillesold. :P02:10
JaffaIndeed. I think I may have even posted it in here months ago02:11
GeneralAntillesLikely02:12
timelessit's out of date?!02:12
timelessgah02:12
timelessyes please02:12
GeneralAntilleshttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=329102:15
forge:o02:15
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PhosphoricXtimeless: thanks for the suggestion, killing the process works fine02:28
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* Jaffa beds.02:34
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GeneralAntilleslol03:10
GeneralAntillesMy Application Menu is very broken. :\03:10
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johnxGeneralAntilles, do you know what broke it?03:11
GeneralAntillesSeemed to happen after I installed XChat03:11
GeneralAntillesbut dunno03:12
n800mit's not official is it?03:12
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johnxonly for certain values of it03:12
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GeneralAntillesReboot seems to have cleared it up03:26
GeneralAntilleswe'll see if it sticks.03:26
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timelesscan someone tell me why a logo wouldn't appear ?03:40
timelessoops03:40
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summatusmentisalright, is there a way to backup all of my settings and installed apps, and install Diablo to my internal card?03:49
timeless"all settings" u,m...03:50
timeless"rsync"03:50
timelessbut yes, you can install to an sdcard if you like03:50
GeneralAntillessummatusmentis, use milhouse's cloning script?03:50
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summatusmentisI'm currently running my rootfs on my internal sd card03:50
timelessand the internal card shouldn't be any more or less special03:50
summatusmentisGeneralAntilles: there's such a thing?03:50
GeneralAntillesGoogle it03:51
GeneralAntillesthere's a thread on itT.03:51
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GeneralAntilleshttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=863103:52
summatusmentisoof, I forgot about size of these images03:52
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* lcuk smiles at nothing in particular04:09
GAN800Wipe that smile off your face!04:11
lcukwhy, ive just had the biggest compliment i think ive ever had :)04:11
Tama^2what was the compliment?04:12
Tama^2"your internet tablet is so biiiiiig"04:12
Tama^2xD04:12
summatusmentisLinus Torvalds called him personally, said he saw the liqbase video, decided it was cool04:13
summatusmentis(then requested it to be released, so others could play)04:13
summatusmentis>_>04:13
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lcukhttp://liquid.googlepages.com/lcuk04:17
lcukthere is a playtest there04:17
summatusmentis!!!!!!!04:18
summatusmentis:-D04:18
lcukextract the whole folder somewhere and run.04:19
crashanddieYou'll need root privileges in order to change res and CPU settings04:20
crashanddieand obviously, you need write rights to /home/user/*04:20
lcukits noted on the page crash04:20
lcukthat sounds liek the voice of reason04:20
lcuk  or experience rather04:20
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crashanddiebleh, and I was proud of having the exclusivity04:21
lcukyou said what i needed to hear :) thanks04:21
penguinbaitMicrob no longer depends on Matchbox in Diablo!!04:21
penguinbaitthats awesome04:21
lcukoh shit yer, diablo today as well04:21
crashanddielcuk, don't know what it is I said, but... you're welcome, I guess :)04:22
* summatusmentis is still downloading it now04:22
crashanddielol :P04:22
penguinbaitthanks for your help the other day lcuk04:22
crashanddieI downloaded the flash image in under 30 seconds :P04:22
lcukpenguinbait, what didn't i break?04:23
summatusmentisI'm on shitty 256k dsl04:23
summatusmentis20 minutes remaining04:23
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rm_you|hey guys04:43
timelessrm_you: net's flaky04:43
rm_you|I need suggestions for what cellphone to buy for my mother <_<04:43
timelesscan someone tell me if http://mldonkey.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/skins/common/images/wiki.png is a stock logo or is part of that specific wiki04:43
timelessiPhone 2 :)04:43
rm_you|lol04:43
rm_you|i think that would be a bit too complicated04:43
rm_you|plus i'd have to jailbreak it for her <_<04:43
timelesswhy?04:44
lcukrm_you, dont ask for source.    http://liquid.googlepages.com/lcuk04:44
rm_you|tmOBILE04:44
rm_you|*TMobile04:44
timelessoh04:44
timelesswell um...04:44
rm_you|lcuk: source? >_>04:44
rm_you|lcuk: eventually, right? :P04:44
rm_you|lcuk: maybe later you can give me just the source for the ebook part? :)04:45
lcukthat doesnt sound unreasonable04:46
rm_you|yeah this may not be the best channel to ask for a SIMPLE to use mobilephone :P IE, not a smartphone04:46
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rm_you|lcuk:  :)04:46
chibiAcydseriously lol04:47
GeneralAntillesrm_you, Samsung has that old person's phone04:47
GeneralAntillesbuy her that.04:47
chibiAcydi never use my phone for much more than text messaging and evdo, and even then its a centro04:47
chibiAcydor the little kids phone, can call 3 numbers and 91104:48
rm_you|lol04:48
GeneralAntilleshttp://www.jitterbug.com04:48
GeneralAntillesHigh-larious04:48
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chibiAcydi saw an ad for that in the post04:49
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rm_you|hrm04:50
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chibiAcydthe verizon zv1 is decent. big buttons and rugged04:52
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dmsupermanSo I have 2 questions, wondering if you guys might be able to help me out.05:00
dmsuperman1: Is it the audio jack itself that sucks? Or do all of the audio apps output crappy?05:01
lcukrm_you, whats up05:01
dmsuperman2: I live in central Ohio. I don't have a GPS device, and I do have the n800. What are my best options as far as a mapping program, and then getting the maps for at the very least Ohio (but I'd prefer not to have the entire east coast, that's just a waste of space)05:02
dmsupermanAny suggestions or answers are greatly appreciated. Really good ones get cookies :D05:02
lcukmaemo-mapper for the maps05:03
lcukyou can download specified regions05:03
dmsupermanI thought it was maemo-mapper, but I couldn't remember05:03
dmsupermanAnd as far as I could tell I could only download east coast US, 700MB05:04
dmsupermanI'd prefer just Ohio, or at best that region05:04
lcukdmsuperman, with the earphones, randomly try pressing the mic button when your playing music05:04
lcukwhat happens05:04
dmsupermanI'd even be fine with a really detail Columbus05:04
dmsupermanI'll give it a try, sec.05:04
GeneralAntillesThe East Coast thing is "Map"05:05
dmsupermanlcuk, hrm...where is the mic button at?05:06
lcukon the nokia headphones in the middle05:07
lcukalong the cable05:07
dmsupermannothing happens when i press it05:07
dmsupermani have os2008, if that matters05:08
dmsupermanand i've noticed the issue in the audio jack itself...headphone independent05:08
lcukno, on mine the volume changes from crappeh to ok05:08
lcukit might have been misaligned i only ever tried it once and never bothered since05:09
dmsupermanwhen i press it it wakes the n800 up if the screen is dimmed05:09
dmsupermanbut i didn't noticed any difference05:09
dmsupermannotice*05:09
crashanddieI don't think I ever used the Nokia headphones05:11
dmsupermanit's not the head phones05:11
dmsupermananything i plug into the jack sounds bad05:11
crashanddiemy SHURE headphones sound pretty awesome, no problem whatsoever05:12
dmsupermani dunno05:12
dmsupermanit sounds a bit staticky05:12
GeneralAntillesIs it in all the way?05:12
dmsupermanfor instance plugging the same set of headphones into my iPod, playing the same music, the iPod has much better audio quality05:12
dmsupermanyeah, it's in all the way05:13
dmsupermanit does take a bit of effort to get it in all the way05:13
crashanddieyou might want to have that checked05:14
crashanddiegot warranty ?05:14
lcddthe sound is pretty bad, but in some cases it does improve if you set all but one volume control to maximum05:14
dmsupermani set all the volumes to max and it's bad05:15
dmsupermanwhat i end up doing to make it bearable is lower the master volume on the n80005:15
dmsupermanthen amplify using the headphones05:15
dmsupermani lose bass, but i also lose static05:15
crashanddiemeh05:16
crashanddienever had that issue05:16
dmsupermanSo what's the cheapest solution to adding GPS to the n800?05:16
GeneralAntillesDon't go for cheapest05:17
GeneralAntillesJust get a decent one05:17
GeneralAntillesi-blue 73705:17
GeneralAntillesor one of the MTK-based Holuxes05:17
GeneralAntillesLook at Stars makes me lol05:18
GeneralAntillesI could look at these all day05:18
dmsupermanalright, what's the cheapest way to get decent GPS05:18
GeneralAntillesi-blue or Holux05:18
GeneralAntilles~$5005:18
* infobot takes the cash and sucks generalantilles off05:18
dmsupermanI don't need anything fancy, I don't mind if it's slow or whatever. I just want to be able to navigate around columbus05:18
dmsuperman...05:18
GeneralAntillesAlright-y then05:19
dmsupermanhaha05:19
GeneralAntillesHrm05:19
dmsupermanso where might those be for sale at?05:19
GeneralAntilles~$10005:19
* infobot gives generalantilles full service!05:19
GeneralAntillesHa!05:19
GeneralAntillesamazon.com or newegg.com05:19
dmsupermanoh05:20
dmsupermanso do the device screens serve any purpose?05:20
dmsupermanor would i just be getting the device to send gps data to n80005:20
GeneralAntillesThey don't have screens05:20
GeneralAntillesThey're just Bluetooth GPS receivers05:21
dmsupermannewegg search for holux turns up 2 devices05:21
dmsupermanhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1685872100105:21
dmsupermanthat's one05:21
dmsupermanthe other also has a screen05:21
dmsupermani-blue is 0 results05:21
dmsupermannvm, amazon has results05:22
GeneralAntilleshttp://www.amazon.com/i-Blue-737-Bluetooth-GPS-Receiver/dp/B000KH7MZ4/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=miscellaneous&qid=1214360523&sr=8-205:22
dmsupermanthat's cheap05:22
dmsupermanwhy is the n800's gps kit so expensive?05:22
GeneralAntillesBecause Nokia overcharges for their GPS receiver05:23
GeneralAntillesand it includes a ~$130 license for Wayfinder05:23
dmsupermanoh05:24
crashanddieWhich isn't exactly expensive for 3 year service05:24
dmsupermanso as long as I use maemo-mapper, I'm not losing any real functionality to the navigation kit?05:24
GeneralAntillesNo05:24
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crashanddieI use both05:24
GeneralAntillesThe i-blue/Holux receivers are way better than the Nokia one anyway05:25
dmsupermancrashanddie why both?05:25
GeneralAntillesOffline routing05:25
crashanddieMaemo mapper for when I'm hiking, just want accurate satellite maps of the area I'm in05:25
crashanddieWayFinder for when I'm in the car05:25
dmsupermanso what does WayFinder offer that you can't achieve by just downloading the maps?05:26
GAN800Be really badass if wayfinder could actually stack up against a Garmin.05:26
crashanddie"turn left"05:26
crashanddieGAN800, word05:26
GAN800Actually, no, that would be orgasmic.05:26
crashanddieheh05:27
dmsupermanmaemo mapper doesn't offer turn by turn? is it a planned feature?05:27
crashanddiedmsuperman, it supports it05:27
GAN800I've got a Nuvi for travelling. Greatest thing in the world.05:27
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crashanddiedmsuperman, but you need to be online to get the route calculated05:28
GAN800The issue is getting the turn-by-turn data.05:28
dmsupermancrashanddie, oh. makes sense05:28
dmsupermanthinking about it, calculating a route would be pretty heavy05:28
GAN800and Marvin isn't the easiest voice to understand.05:28
lcukknight rider GPS FTW!05:28
lcukhttp://gizmodo.com/5019065/hands+on-knight-rider-gps-verdict-its-kittastic05:29
crashanddie"Hello Michael, please don't get in a fight today, as I'm not yet connected to the mechanical parts of myself, so I will not be able to save your ass"05:29
crashanddie"Thanks Kitt ! Now let's go to Twitter Ave"05:30
dmsupermanSo, for somebody like me who doesn't need turn-by-turn...the best solution is just to get that i-blue reciever and download the maps for my area?05:30
GeneralAntillesI'd rather watch Hulk reruns.05:30
GeneralAntillesBingo05:30
crashanddiedmsuperman, sure05:31
dmsupermanawesome05:31
dmsupermani love this device even more every time i use it05:31
crashanddiedmsuperman, also, notice that Wayfinder does work without the subscription05:31
dmsupermanI got a bluetooth keyboard05:31
crashanddiedmsuperman, only, it "only" shows where you are, but you can still lookup addresses and stuff05:32
dmsupermanalright05:32
dmsupermani want to avoid subscriptions while i can05:32
dmsupermantuition tends to drain my monthly income05:32
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crashanddiedmsuperman, I think the combination of both really works out well05:35
GeneralAntillesWish they would get around to updating the maps. . . .05:36
dmsupermanso if i just wnat to navigate around columbus, I set the topleft and bottom right corners to just outisde of them. which levels of details should I probably get?05:37
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GeneralAntillesDown to 4-505:38
crashanddieDepends on what you want to do05:38
crashanddieBut I never go under 405:38
crashanddieI think I have 4-6-1005:38
dmsuperman5 says it will be up to 1.3GB05:39
dmsuperman7 says 82mb05:39
dmsupermandoes that mean I lose access to roads?05:39
DekaritaeWell fook05:39
crashanddieno, it's just the quality of the picture05:39
dmsupermanpsh05:39
lcukwell, bed for me05:40
dmsupermani don't care about quality05:40
dmsupermanlevel 20 detail!05:40
crashanddiedmsuperman, lvl 20 would give you the map of the earth05:40
dmsupermanbut with a higher numbered level of detail, I can still see smaller roads?05:40
GeneralAntillesThere's a threshold05:41
GeneralAntillesZoom around a bit05:41
DekaritaeBetween level 6 and 9 is appropriate05:41
GeneralAntillessee what works for you before you download.05:41
DekaritaeFor GPS usage05:41
dmsupermanhow can I test it before I download it?05:41
dmsupermanhow do I knkow which zoom level I'm at?05:41
DekaritaeIt will tell you on-screen if you have that enabled05:41
GeneralAntillesIt says in the upper right05:41
dmsupermanright now i'm downloading level 8, and i'm gonna play with it05:41
dmsupermanbecause it's only 5mb05:41
dmsupermanalright05:41
GeneralAntillesYou can auto-download.05:41
GeneralAntillesRead the help, too. ;)05:42
dmsupermanyeah, planned on doing that later ;) :P05:42
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dmsupermanis there a way to see it in map view rather than satellite picture view?05:43
DekaritaeYes, change the map repository05:44
dmsupermanah05:44
dmsupermani was using google satelite05:44
dmsupermanis there a suggested repo?05:44
DekaritaeI prefer Google Street05:44
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lcukgnite everyone, jakes back up :S05:45
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dmsupermangnight lcuk05:48
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crashanddieshit05:56
crashanddie5 am05:56
crashanddieI have to be at a meeting tomorrow at 805:56
crashanddiewell05:56
crashanddienot exactly tomorrow anymore, is it, eh ?05:56
crashanddiecheers, bye05:56
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smackpotatohows the flashing going anyone with problems06:04
DekaritaeI'm curious as to the same. Should I be expecting a Firefox-esque "the following add-ons are incompatible..."?06:05
GeneralAntillesNo06:05
GeneralAntillesIt's 99% compatible with Chinook.06:05
DekaritaeYay06:05
dmsupermanHurray!06:05
GeneralAntilleslibssl was the only major library change06:06
dmsupermanwhat's flashing?06:06
dmsupermannew version?06:06
smackpotatoyep06:06
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dmsupermanooh! what's new?06:06
dmsupermanis it dev or full version?06:06
smackpotatofrom flashing to flash . hows,the video06:06
GeneralAntillesIt was updated06:07
GeneralAntillesSmall improvement.06:08
smackpotatothats ok06:08
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dmsupermanwhat's changed in the new version?06:11
GeneralAntillesA few things06:11
dmsupermanlike?06:11
GeneralAntillesUpdated Application manager06:12
GeneralAntillesIPv6 support06:12
GeneralAntillesbrowser was updated06:12
GeneralAntillesflash was updated06:12
GeneralAntillesxterm was updated06:12
GeneralAntillessome AGPS stuff06:12
GeneralAntillesGeneral improvements06:12
summatusmentisis the AGPS standard? or is it still the beta thing?06:12
GeneralAntillesVirtual input methods are less buggy06:12
GeneralAntillessummatusmentis, it's still in beta, I believe, but I don't have an N810 to confirm with.06:12
summatusmentismm06:13
dmsupermansweet @ the virtual input methods06:13
summatusmentisI'll flash either tonight or tomorrow06:13
dmsupermanother stuff...meh06:13
dmsupermani'll still flash just because i'm addicted06:13
dmsupermanwill flashing kill my current setup? is there a way to in-place upgrade?06:13
summatusmentisit's a point release, shouldn't be wildly improved06:13
GeneralAntillesDepends on how you use the device06:16
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GeneralAntillesxterm is a LOT better06:16
GeneralAntillesdmsuperman, SSU is for future updates, not this one.06:16
GeneralAntillesbackup/restore should catch most things06:16
summatusmentisbetter how GeneralAntilles?06:19
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smackpotatoany camra extras06:20
GeneralAntillesall around06:20
smackpotatocamera06:20
GeneralAntillestoolbar is better06:20
summatusmentisGeneralAntilles: I should just be able to use flasher-2.0 right?06:20
GeneralAntillesfkb works better06:20
GeneralAntillesYeah, flasher-2.0 works fine.06:20
summatusmentisalright, cool06:21
summatusmentisflashing now06:21
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summatusmentisoh crap, boot menu is gone again06:22
smackpotatoill have to bring my computer out of storage to rflash06:22
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GeneralAntillessummatusmentis, it needs to be updated anyway06:24
summatusmentisGeneralAntilles: I guess so, but still :-.06:24
summatusmentis:-/06:24
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summatusmentisall the extras are gone... sad!06:28
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GeneralAntillesJust duplicate the Extras entry and make it for Chinook06:32
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summatusmentisfair enough06:33
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DekaritaeUnable to install ogg-support-lightmediascanner07:04
DekaritaeApplication packages missing: flash-and-reboot (= 3)07:04
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freelikegnubut will it blend?07:29
pekujaeverything blends07:30
pekujaexcept Chuck Norris, apparently07:30
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freelikegnuwill Diablo blend ttls/pap into a yummy wifi smoothie?07:31
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freelikegnuBlendtec uses Chuck Norris dental fillings to coat the blades of their blenders...07:33
freelikegnujust dont breath the black smoke07:33
pekujaChuck Norris doesn't have dental fillings. he has perfect teeth07:34
dnbLooks like I'm not the only person on the hunt for osso-ic to get rhapsody to work. Given that the package has been replaced (according to apt-get), any suggestions?07:37
GAN800It's something that needs to be fuxed Rhapsody side.07:39
GAN800s/fux/fix/07:39
infobotGAN800 meant: It's something that needs to be fixed Rhapsody side.07:39
dnbGAN800: meaning we should just hang out and wait for a new package to be added to the nokia repos?07:40
GAN800osso-ic is the connectivity daemon, basically.07:40
GAN800So there's no downgrading that.07:40
dnbGAN800: hmm, ok.07:40
GAN800Rhapsody needs to learn to package.07:40
GAN800Have you sent them an email or called?07:41
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dnbGAN800: last time I ping'd rhapsody on anything regarding this device, I went through a week or two of frustration just to get them to ack that the device existed.07:41
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GAN800Can't blame Nokia for that. ;)07:42
dnbGAN800: I was just curious because apt-get clearly knows which package replaced osso-ic, I was wondering if another replacement spec file would fix the problem.07:42
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dnbGAN800: oh, no blame to them (though at the time, they go into a finger pointing loop w/rhapsody)07:43
dnbGAN800: but I was thinking, since it is their repository this is coming from and is in the default diablo menus...07:43
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dnb(BTW, diablo way cool for any nokia folks reading this)07:43
dnbI didn't know if it made sense to file a bug in the tracker as a result.07:44
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GAN800I don't know why somebody didn't say 'hey, we're updating, time to fix your package'. . . .07:45
GAN800There's no Rhapsody component. It's clearly not a Bugzilla issue.07:45
dnbGAN800: good point, I buy that. I don't know how to raise a bug  in Nokia proper to get them to get the rhapsody folks to... ya know.07:46
GAN800Yeah, I don't know either. ;)07:46
GAN800Best answer I've got is Rhapsody support. . . .07:47
dnbGAN800: then we are doomed (probably until someone in Nokia US finds they can't use it)07:47
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L0cutusre07:55
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L0cutusdoes the actual maemo apps run on the new diablo or need to recompile ?07:56
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doc|homeyey, new os07:58
L0cutusyep07:59
L0cutusdoesn't know if actual apps need to recompile to work...08:00
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RST38hno need to recompile08:05
L0cutusgreat thanks08:09
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snowmoonany python hackers still awake?  what's the syntax for setting a text field non-autocap or numeric only?08:17
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L0cutusseems there is already the dual boot procedure for diablo :)08:26
GeneralAntillesNot all that much changed.08:27
L0cutushum08:28
L0cutusits a good or a bad thing ? ;-)08:28
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pekujaI can't seem to find instructions for flashing the Diablo image onto my N81008:51
pekujacould anyone point me to the right direction?08:51
L0cutusi've used the old ones08:51
qwerty12http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/2008/01/nokia-n800-how-to-update-n800s-firmware.html08:51
L0cutus(n800)08:51
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qwerty12Woot, nokia now include the kernel as part of the diablo sdk download so no need for dodgy symlinks to compile kernel modules in scratchbox ;)08:58
RST38hStill no diablo bootstrap for sb2 though =(08:58
L0cutusso now 'apt-get dist-upgrade' is possible ?08:59
qwerty12Meh, what about sb2 :P08:59
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qwerty12RST38h, Actually, cant you use the one here: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/4.0/armel/ ?09:00
qwerty12The same kinda folder structure is mentioned here: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/sbox2/Maemo09:00
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qwerty12"[sbox-DIABLO_ARMEL: ~] >"09:05
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qwerty12Finally. I don't have to resort to hacking to get a panels control panel in scratchbox anymore.09:07
RST38hqwerty: I am not sure if I can use it09:08
RST38hqwerty: 'cause sb2 has a special script to install rootstraps and it expects them at some predefined location09:08
qwerty12Hmm, probably. But http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/sbox2/Maemo has a section on setting it up manually and they use the rootstrap from the chinook folder. To me, it seems like replacing that wget line with diablo and 4.1 should work too.09:10
RST38hit does not - there is no diablo rootstrap there09:11
RST38hnot yet at least :)09:11
L0cutusthe script of penguinbait isn't available for download ? (this one i mean: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20534)09:14
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macoute_that is propably the most ugly forum message ive seen in ages09:16
qwerty12~lart matchbox-window-manager for being a POS which can't handle windows properly09:18
* infobot pries matchbox-window-manager's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to matchbox-window-manager for being a POS which can't handle windows properly09:18
inzI'm gonna stick to chinook SDK09:18
qwerty12~lart nokia for using it09:18
* infobot shoots nokia in his sleep for using it09:18
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GeneralAntillesqwerty12, just switch to KDE and STFU. :P09:19
inzJust as I've stuck to mistral and bora "3.0"09:19
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, No. So I put KDE down a dependency for conky?09:19
inzlart kde for being ugly piece-of-s*it09:20
macoute_theres nothing wrong with kde09:20
macoute_but is it reponsive on tablet?09:20
qwerty12Woot, you can have my 1.4MB deb, just make sure you make a 2 GB partition for KDE too!09:20
macoute_GeneralAntilles: is it? :P (fast, the KDE)09:21
inzI dunno why, but I don't like how KDE looks at all -- maybe you could theme it pertty, but never seen one09:21
qwerty12My view still stands, matchbox handles windows shit.09:22
macoute_im more accused to gnome to be honest, but ive used kde with no bad memories :)09:22
macoute_and i dont know about theming at all09:22
macoute_now ive run debian etch default theme since it was released :P09:22
macoute_my tablet's theme is default too, but my Vista computers background image was replaced to a debian one :)09:24
GeneralAntillesI don't use KDE09:24
GeneralAntillesMeh, qwerty12, learn to work with it, not against it. ;)09:24
macoute_ok. i still have some thoughts about the optimization09:24
qwerty12GeneralAntilles,  It's impossible though :(. I have this conky config that makes it run in an own window but undecorates it so it looks like it is running on the desktop. In matchbox,even with that config, matchbox insists on a new window. I won't deny that nokia did give us applets for putting stuff on the desktop but I wish matchbox didn't suck.09:26
GeneralAntillesMatchbox has its way of working09:27
GeneralAntillesjust because you're trying to break that doesn't make it "suck"09:27
GeneralAntillesWhy not make it an applet?09:27
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RST38hqwerty: I gave you a blank applet app a while ago09:28
RST38hqwerty: Just attach Conky to that apple09:28
RST38ht09:28
RST38hRunning it in its own X window is not right anyway09:29
qwerty12RST38h, Yes, I should look at that again.09:29
qwerty12Ah well, there is a good thing about Nokia using QT later on, probably means matchbox will have to piss off.09:30
GeneralAntillesWhere do you get that from?09:31
GeneralAntillesNokia wont be using Qt09:31
GeneralAntillesThey'll just be bundling it.09:31
qwerty12Damn, I thought I read that the interface would be replaced with qt.09:31
qwerty12Now I'm upset.09:31
GeneralAntilles:\09:31
RST38hI am not sure QT is going to help much09:31
RST38hI mean, it is a much cleaner API than GTK, but it will not help in this particular case09:32
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RST38hWith Conky, you basically have a plain XLib app that wants an XWindow. So you somehow pull XWindow handle from that GTK applet app and give it to Conky09:32
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GeneralAntillesWith Fremantle, apparently, being Xorg09:33
GeneralAntilleswho knows what'll happen.09:33
GeneralAntillesBut Qt isn't one of those things, anyway.09:33
inzRST38h, how is Qt apI much cleaner?09:34
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RST38hinz: Uses classes, everything neatly compartmentalized and type-checked09:35
inzRST38h, so you're comparing Qt C++ API and Gtk+ C API?09:35
RST38hI am comparing two UI APIs09:38
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inzSure the C API is the native for Gtk+, but there are bindings for almost everything09:39
inzGtk+ uses classes the way it can, as C doesn't have them.09:40
inzAnd C is much nicer language to choose, as you can quite easily then generate the bindings09:40
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RST38hinz: this is basically your subjective opinion09:42
inzRST, sure it is subjective, are you saying you're objective?09:42
* RST38h will abstain from making an argument for or against C++ as a language (has its pros and cons), but having UI API broken into classes with strict type checking definitely makes it easier to use09:43
inzI'm not fighting agains C++, I'm just against comparing the APIs in totally different and incomparable languages09:44
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RST38hWhether you want it or not GTK+ and QT are two competing APIs09:46
RST38hC/C++ are not competing languages though as they can be used interchangeably09:46
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inzOoh, Qt C bindings do exist09:55
RST38has well as GTK+ C++ bindings09:56
RST38hNeither is widely used though09:56
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doc|homeyey09:57
doc|homemail client crash09:57
RST38hAlso, GTK+ folks had to come up with *their own* C++ish language (Vala) just to achieve features QT has by default09:57
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RST38hdoc: Modest? It crashes.09:57
doc|homejust did for me09:57
doc|homeand it's only connecting to one imap account for some reason09:58
* doc|home gives thumbs down09:59
RST38hit's screwed up, albeit not as much as the previous client10:00
RST38hone-account-at-a-time thing seems to be a feature, not a bug10:00
doc|homeat least the previous client would connect to two servers at the same time10:00
doc|homeit's a sucky feature10:00
* doc|home ponders claws10:00
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RST38hAnd you can't set font size and name10:01
RST38hX-Fade: Is there somebody responsible for maintaining Modest at Nokia?10:02
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inzRST, well, Qt also kind of invented their own language, thus the need for moc10:04
RST38hMOC isn't really a language...10:05
RST38hJust a bunch of custom macros, like they have in MFC, GEOS, etc10:05
doc|home"Unable to send" is not a useful error message10:06
* doc|home stabs10:06
doc|homeespecially when it sends! 3 times!10:06
* doc|home stabs some more10:06
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RST38hdoc: In short, it is still unusable for mail =)10:07
GAN800RST38h, try bugzilla?10:07
doc|homeRST38h: dunno, stil lsetting up accounts, need more time to be really sure10:07
doc|homeit decided to ignore my backed up account info :/10:08
inzRST, it isn't really a language, but then again, it isn't really C++10:08
GAN800RST38h,  djcb or pvanhoof are in here every so often.10:08
inzRST, well, I guess you can do manually what MOC does, so that it is actually C++10:08
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RST38hGAN: Yes, I have seen pvanhoof here, but he has written on his blog that he is leaving Modest for better pastures for now10:11
RST38hinz: It is still C++, really10:11
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RST38hIn any case, C++ as a language is not a problem here. GCC will happily compile both C and C++ and even link 'em10:11
RST38hGAN: I would try bugzilla but the fact that the release version of the client does not show more than one remote account at once and does not even memorize zoom level in the email view is somehow discouraging10:13
inzRST38h, if you have a "section" signals: in class definition, it doesn't really sound like C++10:13
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inzRST38h, which GCC might not bee too happy about10:13
inz-e10:13
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GAN800eh, if nobody complains, nothing'll change.10:14
RST38hinz: it's just preprocessor10:14
RST38hinz: You can have all kinds of crap in there, as long as CPP or some other preprocessor tool converts it to valid C++10:14
RST38hGAN: I know, but it is still discouraging10:15
GAN800That's why we have ssu. ;)10:15
RST38hAre bugzilla accounts different from maemo garage? It does not let me in10:17
zapyes they are10:17
RST38hWhy?10:17
GAN800Because single-sign-on hasn't beeb set up yet.10:18
RST38humgh10:18
GAN800s/beeb/been/10:18
infobotGAN800 meant: Because single-sign-on hasn't been set up yet.10:18
GAN800it takes all of ten seconds10:19
RST38hYou probably know yourself that these 10 seconds cost 75% visitors?10:19
GAN800We don't want people who aren't willing to put ten seconds into reigstering submitting bug reports. :P10:20
RST38hMmm...dunno10:20
GAN800and spam10:20
GAN800We don't need spam reports using up bug numbers. :/10:21
inzRST, well, valac can be used as a "preprocessor" for C10:21
inzRST, does that make it C?10:21
GAN800Look at all the fun allowing anonymous edits is causing on the wiki.10:22
lbtGAN800: ? how do you mean?10:23
GAN800Spam everywhere10:23
lbthah :)10:23
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GAN800The temp bans I've been putting in place keep expiring, we get a half-dozen spam pages in a couple hours and I put the ban back.10:24
EruditeHermithey is anyone on an n800 running diablo in here?10:24
lbtyes10:24
GAN800we needs a conclusion on the issue.10:24
EruditeHermitdoes the cam flip work?10:24
EruditeHermitmy cam app doesn't flip or start when I pop the camera out10:24
EruditeHermiteven though the option for that is selected10:24
EruditeHermitwhen I have chinook kernel running, it works10:25
RST38hinz: But valac is not a preprocessor, it does not only do text substitution10:25
GAN800Does it work under Chinook?10:25
RST38hIt generates a C program for you, fromscratch10:25
EruditeHermityes10:25
lbtyes10:25
NaviIs it just me, or does backspace not work using the GNU screen in the tablet repos?10:25
EruditeHermitlbt: does yours work in diablo?10:25
limesloth@EruditeHerm, flip works here10:26
lbtEruditeHermit: it does10:26
lbtGAN800: I posted my opinion on anon edits on the ml - there's no benefit; the best captcha for us is for people to register.10:27
GAN800I agree. ;)10:27
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RST38hGAN: 3 bugs filed10:29
* RST38h is also against anonymous wiki edits10:29
inzRST, moc can also create an source file from your header file, this is not text substitution either10:30
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EruditeHermitdoes anyone know why this could be?10:30
RST38hWhatever Great Wiki Founders (GWFs) thought about human beings, they were wrong10:30
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inzmaemo is too small for anonymous edits10:31
RST38hinz: this is not really a necessary feature10:31
timelessping10:31
RST38hinz: You can live without it same as you can live without MFC wizard10:31
timelesscan anyone talk to me about http://tracker-project.org/ ?10:31
timelesshttp://www.gnome.org/projects/tracker/ lists that host in its title10:31
RST38hinz: For Vala, C code generation is the main function10:31
timelessbut it doesn't seem to exist10:31
RST38hinz: Basically, if you are trying to prove that Vala == MOC, you might want to stop now10:32
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macoute_timeless: iirc just like .mac10:32
macoute_the idea, i mean10:32
RST38hGAN: I do not believe any of these bugs will be addressed any time soon, but anyway...10:32
timelessmacoute: i was more interested in why the dns entry didn't yield a web server10:33
inzNo, that's not what I want to prove, I just want to say that Qt also "invented their own language" to make things simpler for developers10:33
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RST38hinz: MOC is not a language10:33
RST38hIt is a bunch of cusotm macros that make life a bit easier10:33
inzRST, but the source isn't C++ either10:33
timelessmacoute, which of the magnifier or blue thing is the logo in http://www.gnome.org/projects/tracker/images/meta_tracker_logo.png10:33
RST38hVala *is* a language10:33
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RST38hinz: Well, then neither is C++Builder, nor MFC code, nor Motif code (if you use their preprocessor)10:34
macoute_timeless: hard to say :P i think its the whole package10:34
inzRST, sure10:34
macoute_timeless: as a icon, id prefer that magnifier10:34
RST38hinz: The difference is that all of these *are* C++ programs + some macros10:34
macoute_timeless: you making a port?10:34
timelessno10:35
timelesshttp://www.ohloh.net/projects/404010:35
RST38hinz: Vala is not C++ by any measure. Rather, it is something created by anti-C++ fanatics who reached a deadend with C but could not make themselves use C++ :)10:35
inzRST, although I could argue moc does more than text substitution10:35
* timeless sighs10:35
timelesshttp://www.ohloh.net/projects/4041/edit10:35
timelesspeople should be required to use FF2 or FF310:35
RST38hinz: Well, you already said it could generate empty .cpp files from headers10:35
inzRST, and it requires certain inheritance orders10:36
timelessdear whomever. spelling counts10:36
RST38hinz: well, this does not make it unC++ :)10:36
inzRST, no, but it makes it more than a preprocessor10:36
inzRST, well, more than a dummy preprocessor at least10:36
RST38hIf they wanted a dummy preprocessor they would use CPP10:37
inzWhich they do, after their own a-bit-less-dummy preprocessor ;)10:37
lbtit sounds more like a compiler that targets c++10:37
GeneralAntillesRST38h, don't set your own milestones. :P10:37
timelessmacoute: how do i mailto: Raphael Slinckx <http://raphael.slinckx.net/deskbar/>10:38
lbtin the same way java targets it's intermediate code10:38
RST38hinz: Still it is pretty amusing to read Vala release announcements and see how hard authors are trying to avoid mentioning C++10:38
timelessah nm10:38
inzRST, surely vala has features C++ doesn't10:38
RST38hinz: They are even comparing Vala with C# =)10:38
inzRST, (mind you, I've never used vala)10:38
lbtI like the 3rd pic google provides for a search on 'vala'10:38
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timelessnm, they use bugzilla10:38
RST38hinz: I am pretty sure opposite is also true :)10:39
macoute_timeless: heh :)10:39
macoute_raphael.slinckx@deskbar.net :)10:39
lbtvalac, the Vala compiler, is a self-hosting compiler that translates Vala source code into C source and header files.10:39
inzRST, agreed, whether this is good or bad, I won't say anything10:39
RST38hGAN: Well, I wasn't sure about that field. Maybe there should be a separate bug submission UIs for dummies like myself =)10:39
lbtwhich explains why they don't mention C++ I guess ;)10:40
GeneralAntillesThe guided submission form should be put in place at some point. :\10:40
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RST38hinz: But the initial (2-hours old) point is that having classes in UI API *helps* :)10:40
RST38hlbt: Naah, they mention C# (which also has fewer things in common with Vala) but omit C++10:40
inzRST, and that is something that Gtk+ does have, but in a language that has no native classes10:41
RST38hinz: I.e. it has "classes" but you can't take advantage of this fact10:41
inzRST, sure you can, it just takes quite a bit of work10:41
RST38hinz: No type checking, no name scopes10:41
inzRST, how so no type checking?10:41
inzRST, why do you think the GTK_IS_blabla() -macros are for?10:42
RST38hinz: Yea, you can obviously make use of an engine-less BMW, it just takes a bit of work =)10:42
RST38hinz: you mean I am supposed to check all types MYSELF using macros? :))))10:42
inzRST, thus the bindings for oo languages (and the invention of their own)10:42
RST38hinz: Well, in QT you already have all this stuff10:43
inzRST, because the API is in C++10:43
RST38hinz: Very good observation :)10:43
inzAnd we've got nowhere10:43
RST38hNo, you basically admitted that having a C++ API helps things, didn't you?10:44
RST38hIsn't it progress?10:44
inzI didn't want to make any points for or against anything, but only comparing C and C++ APIs10:44
inzI know the difference of C and C++, and know that an OO language has it's benefits in UI programming10:44
RST38hThis observation is kinda obvious though, we did not need 2 hours :)10:44
RST38h[the obvious minus of C++ is that you have to recompile stuf when your public API changes]10:45
inzAnd that your compiler takes 1 GB of ram instead of <100 MB10:45
RST38hReally? My compiler (GCC) does not10:45
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inzWell, that was while I was compiling cmake10:46
RST38hNeither does Watcom10:46
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RST38hinz: Then something in cmake makes compiler take that much RAM10:46
RST38hI *can* write a C program that will do the same to compiler btw10:46
Navitimeless, you there?10:47
inzSure you can, but then you're doing something you're not supposed to10:47
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timelessyes10:47
RST38hinz: No. It will be absolutely valid and even useful C code10:47
timelesscan someone tell me what icon empathy uses? http://live.gnome.org/Empathy10:47
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Navitimeless, GeneralAntilles wants to know if you'll guys will permit community-supported microb-svn builds on -devel10:48
timelessi don't think we should have any reason to object10:48
timelessbut doesn't that not work because of app manager? :)10:48
NaviIt'd probably break a lot of crap10:49
NaviI'm against it myself10:49
timelessnavi: offhand, i'd probably prefer a private repo10:49
timelessw/ testing for a month10:49
timelessshow me evidence of a dozen users happily using it10:50
timelessand then we can consider -devel10:50
timelesshowever, if you get 2 unhappy or remotely borked users. trash the idea10:50
timelessand destroy the repo10:50
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Naviheh10:51
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eichiwhat is the version 4.1? SDK is only for developer?10:54
eichior is this a real maemo update für table users?10:54
trickie|workboth10:54
trickie|workan OS update for uses10:55
trickie|workusers10:55
trickie|workand an SDK update for developers10:55
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eichiokay10:57
eichithis is the last update with neccessary re-flashing?10:57
eichiwow, how fast nokia did, whats common on all other linux distributions ;)10:58
GAN800presumably10:58
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aquatixapt-get install os2009 :P10:58
GAN800Meh, show me another mobile device that works like that. :P10:58
* aquatix can't think of any10:58
JaffaMorning, all10:59
GAN800aquatix, maemo-510:59
aquatixhey Jaffa10:59
GAN800Hi, Jaffa10:59
aquatixGAN800: yeah10:59
trickie|workits a completely different paradigm to dist-upgrade on a PC10:59
trickie|workhmmm... well i guess the paradigm is the same, different low level issues :)11:00
johnxGAN800, anything based on angstrom :P11:00
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Jaffajohnx: how many commercial companies have released anything based off angstrom which aren't new start-ups?11:02
trickie|workjohnx: still depends on the machine... may have to flash kernel seperately etc11:02
johnxtrickie|work, that's fair enough11:02
trickie|workJaffa: one of the latest garmin PND's is based on Poky IIRC11:03
trickie|workwhich is another OE distro11:03
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trickie|workhttp://butterfeet.org/?p=5711:05
trickie|worknot entirely sure if it is OE built so to speak, or just using some components/software from Poky/OH11:06
* lcuk laughs at person wanting to save sketches as .txt11:06
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aquatixlcuk: it *is* sort of possible ;)11:08
jottlcuk: you can create quite nice ascii art even from vector based sketches ;)11:08
* aquatix remembers Gimp's export to .xml feature11:08
aquatixor html11:08
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lcukits sort of possible but not practical, least not until i put in hwr11:10
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RST38hlcuk: Save 'em in SVG with .txt extension!11:11
RST38hAnd let him read THAT11:11
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lcuksvg would/should work in the long run without too much hassle, i just cant be arsed learning the syntax yet :)11:12
lcukanywayn, back laterish11:12
DekaritaeI lost my GPS11:12
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DekaritaeIt is somewhere in my room. It is on, because Maemo Mapper just connected to it11:12
timelessheh11:13
jottlcuk: http://www.torchsoft.com/images/aas_screenshot4.gif http://www.torchsoft.com/images/aas_screenshot5.gif :)11:13
lcukjott :) your knowledge of obscure formats awes me ;) thanks for making sense out of randomness11:14
DekaritaeYay found it11:15
DekaritaeWas in the pocket of a shirt I'd hung away11:15
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AddisonGreetings everyone!11:18
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AddisonJust stopping by here from one quick question.11:18
* jott wonders how many blog posts about nokia&symbian on his various planet subscriptions he still has to mark as read ;)11:18
AddisonIs there a Terminal or Telnet client thingie that can run in full screen mode and allows you to disable the scroll bar?11:20
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timelesshow many have been worth reading?11:20
jotttimeless: "mark as read" != read ;).. not many though.11:20
AddisonI know that Qwerty's Putty release allows you to disable the scroll bar, but I can't seem to find a way to get it into full screen mode.11:21
jottAddison: osso-xterm can do this11:21
AddisonWhich version is that jott?  I just have the standard one that comes with OS 2008, the one just before Diablo.11:21
AddisonAny chance you could point to me the download?11:22
RST38hAddison: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=osso-xterm+&btnG=Search11:22
AddisonIs it this one?11:22
jottAddison: it's preinstalled, but i made some updated packages if you are on chinook http://sse2.net/xterm .. haven't yet looked at diablos version of it11:23
Addisonhttp://pupnik.de/xterm.html11:23
jotthttp://omag.es/blog/2008/05/07/truly-fullscreen-osso-xterm/ there seems to be a blog post that explains on how to get it to true fs11:23
AddisonThanks jott!  Wow, you're a real coder too!  It was a pleasure.  :)11:24
AddisonWell, that's all I needed.  Have a good one guys!11:24
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cy3o3Sup guys11:29
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cy3o3Anyone flash the new firmware yet?11:33
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lardman|afkcy3o3: yep11:38
cy3o3over the air updates will be nice11:39
cy3o3any trouble with it?11:40
lardman|afkNo, nor have I had any real problems with the "unofficial" beta11:40
cy3o3rockin'11:41
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t_s_oseems like the diablo release got overshadowed by a new mid release of ubuntu...11:56
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aquatixt_s_o: ubuntu has a new release? :)12:03
t_s_oof the kind specifically made for mid/umpc, yes...12:04
aquatixoh12:04
aquatixthat one12:04
* aquatix shrugs12:04
* aquatix hopes openssh gets updated soon for diablo12:05
aquatixmy NIT is a tad less useful at the moment12:05
timelesshrm, kinda funny, we really should push openssh, since it's part of the dev buidls12:06
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aquatixbtw, the diablo modest works better with my imap server12:08
aquatixit now marks mails `read'12:09
* aquatix happy12:09
aquatixnow, if openssh and omweather update, i'm settled12:10
aquatixah, and ogg support12:11
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t_s_oerr, i could have sworn that i have openssh working here...12:31
aquatixt_s_o: well, at least the install links don't work here12:32
t_s_oi think i got it pulled in automatically at restore... could be because i happened to have a maemo extras entry pointing at chinook my accident :P12:33
aquatixyeah, i didn't restore much12:33
aquatixonly contacts and bookmarks12:33
t_s_otried altering maemo extras to point to both chinook and diablo?12:33
aquatixnot yet12:34
aquatixcan try12:34
aquatixwith gprs it might take a while though12:34
t_s_oouch12:35
aquatixerm12:36
aquatixmaemo maemo extras only lists free and non-free12:37
timelessinz: ping12:38
t_s_obingo, the empty line above defaults to diablo as long as it has no content. if you enter "chinook diablo" (no quotes) into it, things should probably work12:39
t_s_oanother option is to create a new repo, similar to the one your looking at right now, but enter chinook in that line...12:39
aquatixt_s_o: ah12:40
aquatixi'll update in an hour12:40
aquatixlunch now :)12:40
inztimeless, pong12:42
timelesssee email12:42
timelessi hope :)12:42
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timelessdneary: how's the map of the world doing?12:42
inztimeless, damn gmail spam filter12:43
dnearyHowdy12:43
dnearytimeless: It's gone through Quim, made a decent first draft12:43
dnearytimeless: I'll forward it on to you if you'd like12:43
timelessplease12:43
dnearyNext step is to go person-by-person and make sure they don't mind being listed in the wiki12:44
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timelesson average, i tend to object12:44
timelesspeople try to list my real name w/ my username12:44
timelessand i consider that a show stopper :)12:44
dnearyAnd to list all the companies & contractors Nokia works with publicly, and make sure *they* don't mind being on the list12:44
timelessinteresting12:45
dnearyThen sollicit individual community members to sign up12:45
timelesslast i checked, the primary blocker there was nokia itself refusing to let contractors acknowledge relations12:45
timelessit'd be great if that went away12:45
timelesswe have some really messy bits in most teams because of that12:45
timelessdarn, i have a meeting, and i haven't prepped12:46
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RST38hHeh, TheRegister found a real reason behind Symbian buyout12:51
RST38hNot that difficult, apparently12:51
macoute_a link?12:52
RST38hhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/25/bill_ray_symbian_nokia/12:52
RST38h8 years of royalty payments12:52
RST38hSo, it looks like S40 has gotta go, being replaced with S6012:53
macoute_well, if that was the only reason, why opensource it? :)12:53
RST38hWell they are not open sourcing it YET12:55
RST38hSo we do not know what conditions are going to be12:56
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rm_youyoyo13:32
rm_youback13:32
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rm_youGeneralAntilles: erm... https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1913:35
rm_youis that good?13:36
rm_you<_<13:36
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rm_youbleh doubt it helps me any13:36
RST38hrm_you: A while ago, you have been willing to host Maemo package Aggregator?13:36
rm_youRST38h: surte13:37
rm_you*sure13:37
lcukrm_you, :) did you get to have a peek13:37
RST38hStill willing? =)13:37
rm_youlcuk: not yet, just got back.13:37
rm_youRST38h: sure13:37
inzI hosted one for a while13:37
rm_youjust got my projector... watched the new Futurama movie, and Pulp Fiction :P13:37
RST38hrm_you: give me your email I will send you the code13:37
rm_youRST38h: k13:37
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inzRST, what does your aggregator do?13:38
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rm_youlcuk: can you link me again?13:38
rm_you*lcuk_wrk13:38
lcuk_wrkok, liqbase playtest here http://liquid.googlepages.com/lcuk13:38
lcuk_wrkback later :)13:38
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rm_youkk13:38
RST38hinz:it aggregates!13:39
inzRST, ooh, couldn't have guessed13:39
rm_youk got it13:39
RST38hrm_you: Sent. Please, let me know when you set it up and also if you have got any problems13:39
RST38hinz: our sql server is down now so I can't demonstrate. We will have to wait for rm_you to set it up13:40
rm_youRST38h: ok... the SQL stuff is all there?w13:40
rm_youi will have to modify it a little prolly, but i'll get it up ASAP13:40
RST38hrm_you: yep13:41
RST38hDo CreateDB.sql to create database13:41
rm_youwhat you want the url to be?13:41
RST38hCrawler.pl will crawl repos13:41
RST38hrm_you: Whatever you feel to be good13:41
RST38hSomething/PackRat/ should probably do13:41
rm_youk13:41
rm_youlcuk_wrk: hrm13:42
RST38hI won't be able to maintain it at komkon, so it is up to you now13:42
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inzMy script tried to extract changelog entries from the packages too13:42
inzUnfortunately quite few actually had them13:42
X-Fadeinz: I have the same problem for the downloads catalog. I wanted to use changelog info there too.13:43
inzX-Fade, my implementation did actually work somewhat, not too well though13:43
rm_youI have changelog info >_>13:43
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hrwmorning13:44
X-Fadeinz: And then you have proper debian package swith changelog entries for a package respin.13:44
X-Fadeinz: And you need to filter them out.13:44
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inzI wonder how long would my script run now...13:45
inzAfter all, it downloads every new package in every repo it finds...13:45
RST38hyou do not need to do it13:45
RST38hit is sufficient to load metadata from the repos13:46
* aquatix does an repository update with maemo extra's chinook enabled13:46
inzRST, not it isn't, if you want changelog13:46
aquatixover gprs13:46
RST38hbut changelogs are not that important really - people seldom write useful stuff there13:46
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inzRST, yeah, realized that, but were they properly used, they'd be great13:47
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aquatixlike in debian and ubuntu13:47
mmrjust installed diablo anyone in to answer a few q's13:47
* aquatix even reads those13:47
* rm_you writes useful stuff in his changelogs13:48
inzrm, like "foo" and "bar"?13:48
mmrok ill shoot13:48
inzRST, does your script run on extras, some pre-defined list of repos or how?13:48
aquatixyay, downloading openssh [1.1MB] over gprs now13:48
mmrxchat asks for libssl 0.9.713:49
mmrbut i understand diablo come 0.9.813:49
inzDoesn't it come with both?13:49
RST38hinz: it loads repo list from gronmayer13:49
mmrhas anyone successfully installed it?13:49
inzRST, ahh13:49
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inzRST, mine used the old wiki page13:50
lbtlcuk_wrk: nice :)13:51
mmrany offers?13:52
lcuk_wrklbt this is still without a huge set of changes - which are pending the db side of things :)  its just technology demo still.  i decided to let people see rather than spending a few more days/weeks setting those up13:53
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rm_youRST38h: hrm... is there a way to get URLs in PERL natively without using wget?13:56
lbtlcuk_wrk: well, it's running here... a couple of glitches; some n800 vs n810 things; I'm glad you took the first steps...13:56
mmrok so to sum up13:57
mmrtransmission and xchat are not working13:57
RST38hrm_you: I am afraid not13:57
mmreverything else so far so good13:57
inzlibwww-perl13:58
RST38hrm_you: Tried finding a decent way to do it but no luck13:58
mmranyone got the above apps working?13:58
lbtand I see your sketches are each a fixed size... I thought there was an infinite, scrollable, piece of v-paper13:59
lcuk_wrklbt - glitches? never..13:59
lbtwhich makes sense with our chat t'other night13:59
lbtphysics is a blue screen...13:59
rm_youlcuk_wrk: i sent you a crash report14:00
rm_youorrr14:00
lbtnone of which matters a damn - stars are cool!!14:00
rm_youwait, i am sending it now14:00
rm_youlcuk_wrk: on second run it appears to work nicely14:00
lcuk_wrkgraffiti wall, the interaction between wall and editing and transitions etc requires me to think in database terms (or build a shedload of indexing/management) so will come later14:00
lcuk_wrklbt, if you are running in performance things are MUCH quicker14:00
lbtthat's where I was talking 3d RPG stuff -14:00
rm_youRST38h: well, that could be a problem, as I don't have wget available on my host...14:01
lbtwhat's the cmd line ?14:01
lbtfor performance14:01
rm_youRST38h: i am working on putting it on there, need to find a wget binary compiled with static libs14:01
lcuk_wrkwell - what surprises me about this tablet is lack of original stuff designed for the spec of the machine :)14:01
rm_youlcuk_wrk: it crashes whenever I let the screen turn itself off (set to 1 minute on my tablet)14:01
lcuk_wrklbt, just run it as root (or sudoers) and in the options you can upgrade cpu14:02
rm_you03:59:39 Unknown event 33, let me know what happened at14:02
RST38hrm_you: You do not have shell access?14:02
lcuk_wrkrm_you, yes, in the ITT thing i mention that, its paranoid and will be until i go round and have a full hildonization :)  it also does similar if you lock screen or press home key14:02
rm_youRST38h: i do, but it is in a chroot jail, wget is outside14:03
rm_youlcuk_wrk: k14:03
lcuk_wrki would rather bailout on unhandled events than carry on :)14:03
rm_youignore my email then :)14:03
lbtOK - yep...14:03
lcuk_wrki do anyway rm, ive setup a special filter just for you14:03
rm_youRST38h: -jailshell: /usr/bin/wget: Permission denied14:03
rm_youlol14:03
lcuk_wrkif mail==whingey rm_you -> delete :P14:03
rm_youif (equals($sender, "rm_you") || contains($subject, "Open Source")) move($message, "Trash");14:04
lcuk_wrkrm_you, regarding screen blanking, on mine when charging its set to always keep screen on so it never gets in my way - you will just have to play more14:04
rm_youlcuk_wrk: still interested in source for liqreader14:05
rm_youwhile I try to learn PERL so i can get rid of this wget14:05
timelesshello world14:05
timelessanyone here know of an icon for last.fm?14:05
rm_youhello timeless14:05
aquatixtimeless: see last.fm?14:06
timelesshttp://www.macupdate.com/images/icons/20130.png is audioscrobbler14:06
aquatixmyeah14:06
RST38hrm_you: Can they allow you to use wget?14:06
aquatixbut they use that logo on last.fm site too14:07
timelessbut i'm tempted to use http://www.ikony.w.inds.pl/images/ikony/Last_Fm_Dock_Icon_by_AlperEsin.jpg14:07
rm_youRST38h: NO14:08
rm_youerr14:08
rm_youdidnt mean to caps that14:08
rm_youanyway, what about LWP::Simple?14:08
rm_youhttp://www.devdaily.com/perl/edu/qanda/plqa00020.shtml14:09
RST38hwell, try it14:09
rm_youI dont know PERL >_> at all14:09
rm_youi tried14:09
* RST38h remembers trying something like this but it did not work =(14:09
rm_youdunno if it did anything14:09
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rm_youanyone here know PERL and want to help out with a hopefully quick modification?14:13
johnxtimeless, what are you collecting these icons for?14:15
aquatixlol14:15
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aquatixok, omweather from chinook doesn't work on diablo14:15
aquatixit crashes the gui14:15
aquatix[at least, clicking the settings button does]14:15
johnxaquatix, yup, same behavior here14:15
* aquatix disables14:15
aquatixi can wait for a diablo version14:16
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aquatix\o/ at least i have ssh again14:17
* aquatix happy14:18
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rm_youRST38h: nm got it14:21
RST38hwhat was it? =)14:21
rm_youRST38h: i compiled a version of wget14:21
rm_youand scp'ed it over14:21
RST38h!!!14:21
aquatixhm14:21
aquatixdoes the chinook wget work?14:21
RST38hnot on a PC server :)14:22
rm_youaquatix: this was to my hosting company's chrooted thingy14:22
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aquatixheh14:22
rm_youack, not need gzcat14:22
rm_you*now14:22
* aquatix is installing wget from chinook on his diablo n81014:22
aquatixbut as it depends on libc6 and such14:22
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rm_yoush: Images/pidgin-sounds-old_2.3.1-0nix1.png: No such file or directory14:26
rm_youRST38h: is that normal?14:26
rm_youor is something failing14:26
lcuk_wrki can hear the sound in glorious technicolor14:26
rm_youlol14:26
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rm_youhttp://ageofikon.info/packrat/14:29
rm_youRST38h: look to be working?14:29
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kevinvermaanyone knows why meamo-extras don't list any packages yet for Diablo ?14:30
kevinvermais that repo not yet ready for diablo ?14:30
rm_youkevinverma: pretty much14:30
kevinvermarm_you, you mean not ready right ?14:31
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RST38hrm_you: checking14:32
RST38hrm_you: You have to create a directory called Images14:33
RST38hrm_you: Otherwise it will not show app icons14:33
rm_youAH thats what those errors were14:33
RST38hAnd there is one more little bug, but fix the images first14:34
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RST38hActually, two bugs14:35
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rm_youRST38h: what are the others?14:36
RST38h1. package name and package version should have NOWRAP attribute in the TD tag14:37
RST38hApparently, FF3 now wraps when it encounters - character14:37
RST38h2. When asking to see dependencies list (click on Depends) nothing shows up. This is incorrect, it should query database for dependencies and show them14:38
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rm_youdepends is working for me14:39
RST38hchecking again14:39
RST38hYou have now moved arrow to the left, please move it back14:39
rm_youwhat is "uudecode -rm" supposed to do?14:39
RST38hdecodes mime14:39
rm_younow images are failing because of that14:39
rm_youwhat is the -rm14:39
RST38h-rm decodes mime14:39
rm_youah14:39
rm_youi thought JUST uudecode did that14:39
rm_youwhat version of uudecode were you using?14:40
RST38hno14:40
rm_youneither the version on my debian system nor the version on my host's system have any real commandline args14:40
RST38hdefault freebsd uudecode14:40
rm_youbesides --help and --version, and --output14:40
rm_youhrm14:40
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RST38hignore app icons for now14:40
RST38hplease, move the arrow icon back to the right and add NOWRAP to the version name14:41
rm_youtrying to fix everything in the perl script first :/14:41
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rm_youNOWRAP is a tag in TD?14:42
RST38hYes14:42
RST38hIn relation to uudecode, use b64decode instead, with -rm14:42
RST38hLooks like in FreeBSD uudecode is an alias to b64decode14:43
rm_youNOWRAP in both name and version?14:43
rm_youor just name14:43
RST38hadd it to both, won't harm14:43
rm_youk14:44
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RST38hOk, wrap has been fixed14:44
rm_youhrm dont have b64decode14:44
rm_yougotta compile it14:44
RST38hNow move the arrow back to the right14:44
RST38hBecause at the left it is never going to be aligned and will be too close to the app icons14:45
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RST38hok, dependencies work14:49
rm_youwhy is uudecode necessary?14:49
RST38h'cause icons are base64-encoded14:51
rm_yougrrr14:51
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rm_youi cannot find a version of uudecode / b64decode14:52
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rm_youcan you possibly get the binary?14:53
rm_youand send it to me? >_>14:53
rm_youno idea if it would work or not...14:53
rm_youmight get lucky :P14:53
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RST38hI only have a freebsd binary14:54
RST38ha moment though14:54
RST38hrm_you: ok, found it14:56
RST38hmove the arrows back and I will give you the link14:56
rm_youlol14:56
rm_youblackmail? :P14:56
RST38hkinda, yea...=)14:56
* RST38h does not want layout broken without good reasoning14:57
rm_youSo I'm thinkin, maybe I don't need package images? :P14:57
rm_youRST38h: lol14:57
rm_youRST38h: remember what I was saying about usability? expanding areas (especially with arrows or plus signs) are ALWAYS from the left14:58
rm_youalways14:58
rm_youIf it really does break the layout with images / etc, I will figure out how to fix it14:58
RST38hrm_you: Well, first of all they are not always on the left in practice (see Maemo combo boxes)14:58
rm_youand if I really can't fix it, I will change it back. ok? :P14:58
RST38hrm_you: Having said that I agree that placing it on the right is not the best idea14:58
rm_youcombo boxes are different14:58
RST38hrm_you: BUT placing it on the left breaks the layout, so it is even worse idea at the moment, so I suggest you just move it back until a better placement is found14:59
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rm_youwhat browser does it break the layout in?15:00
RST38hThere is a huge empty bar right at the middle, so with the right image we may be able to stick it there15:00
RST38hrm_you: FF315:00
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RST38hAnd any other browser, because the problem is kinda fundamental15:00
rm_youI'm viewing it in iceweasel 3, looks fine here...15:00
RST38h1. As some packages have app icons and some do not, those arrows will never be aligned15:00
rm_younot sure what you're talking about15:01
rm_youah15:01
rm_youthat might be an issue15:01
rm_youunless i fix it :P15:01
RST38h2. Sticking that arrow next to the app icon makes use wonder what is going on15:01
Saviqguys, is it possible to have the swap file on the / (running from mmc)?15:01
RST38hWhy is it pointing to the app icon? Or why is it pointing FROM the app icon?15:01
RST38hIn short, it looks out of place at the left right now15:02
JaffaHmm, none of my RSS feeds are updating post-upgrade and restore15:03
RST38hmine do15:03
RST38hrm_you: anyways, base64 is here: http://www.fourmilab.ch/webtools/base64/15:03
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rm_youRST38h: eh?15:12
RST38hthe script now exits with error when empty search term wntered15:13
rm_youRST38h: that doesn't work for you? I don't see any breakage15:13
rm_youah sec15:13
rm_yousearch for mplayer tho15:13
RST38harrow is still misaligned and for some reason points to the app icon15:13
rm_youif there's an app icon15:13
rm_youwhat you mean, misaligned?15:13
RST38hnot aligned with the text15:13
rm_youRST38h: i think the error you got was because of something I did, but fixed almost instantly15:13
RST38hok, yes15:14
rm_youtry empty search again15:14
rm_youI forgot a quote15:14
RST38hworks now15:14
RST38hrm_you: Why do some entries have two icons to the left of them and some have only one?15:14
rm_youerk? which15:15
RST38hwell, if you search for mplayer, mplayer has two icons and kmplayer has one15:15
rm_youerr15:15
rm_youI don't see that15:15
rm_youI see mplayer has one icon, kmplayer doesnt have an icon at all15:16
RST38hwell there is a brown icon with an arrow and there is blue-white mplayer icon with a nother little arrow15:16
rm_youbrown icon?15:16
rm_youcan you paste your exact URL so I can see?15:16
RST38hhttp://ageofikon.info/packrat/index.php?Action=list&System=OS2008&Arg=mplayer&Section=&Repo=015:16
rm_youcan you post a screenshot somewhere?15:16
rm_youalso, do a hard-refresh15:17
rm_youI see perfectly normal15:17
RST38hdone, still there15:17
RST38hI am a bit busy to post a screenshot15:17
RST38hbut there are definitely two icons to the left of some packages and only one for others15:17
hrwleft panel is closed sourced?15:18
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rm_youso, mplayer has two icons??15:18
sp3000wnd: hah, nice timing, just reported that internally15:18
RST38hrm_you: yes15:18
RST38hbrown one with white arrow and white one with little black arrow15:19
RST38hor blue15:19
rm_youreally could use a screenshot :/ the code looks clean in View Source mode15:19
rm_youshows no <IMG> for kmplayer at all15:19
rm_youyou're in FF3?15:20
RST38hWell I looked at the source and you definitely have two IMGs there:15:20
RST38h<TD><IMG SRC="ArrowL.gif" ALT="[X]" ID="Arrow6">&nbsp;<IMG WIDTH=26 HEIGHT=26 SRC="Images/mplayer_1.0rc1-maemo.27.n8x0.png"></TD>15:20
RST38hthis is mplayer15:21
rm_youright15:21
rm_youthat is correct15:21
RST38h<TD><IMG SRC="ArrowL.gif" ALT="[X]" ID="Arrow0">&nbsp;</TD>15:21
RST38hthis is kmplayer15:21
rm_youcorrect15:21
RST38hbut this is two icons for mplayer15:21
rm_you...15:21
JaffaOooh, some nice new logos; e.g. http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_deadknight88_103.png15:21
rm_youone is the arrow, one is the image15:21
rm_youI see nothing wrong there15:21
RST38hrm_you: and the image has another arrow15:21
RST38hso you have got two arrows? why?15:21
rm_you...15:21
rm_youno15:21
rm_youexactly one15:22
RST38hrm_you: I hope you are catching the drift by now ;)15:22
RST38hno, the page definitely has two arrows, look closer15:22
rm_youi thought you might be doing that15:22
rm_youbastage :P15:22
RST38hrm_you: This is as far as my argument #2 is concerned15:22
RST38hLeave the drop down arrow where it has been for now15:23
RST38hUntil you come up with an idea how to avoid placing two icons together15:23
rm_youit looks fine with the two icons next to each other15:24
rm_youtho I am fixing the alignment as we speak15:24
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RST38hnope, it does not look fine15:25
RST38h'cause icons perform completely different function15:25
LoCusFjott: do you still have the terminus font package for OS 2008?15:25
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hrwsomeone know a way to sync cellphone<>maemo contacts?15:34
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hrwflorian: ping15:35
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florianhrw: pong15:36
hrwflorian: does your maemo sync also has evolution plugin?15:36
rm_youRST38h: eh?15:37
rm_youwait15:39
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florianhrw: I'm not sure if the opensync module for it is built, but in theory the gui should cover all plugins.15:42
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hrwflorian: just checked - it is not built :(15:42
florianhrw: It might be possible that it doesn't work with the modified evl stuff in maemo.15:43
florianhrw: We should ask Graham, maybe its just a matter of adding it.15:43
RST38hrm_you: Why is that arrow stuck between the app icon and the app name now?15:43
rm_youwait15:43
rm_youjust wait15:43
rm_youi messed it up15:43
rm_youeh?15:44
hrwflorian: yep15:45
rm_youRST38h: well, what about that:?>15:45
RST38hrm_you: worse than before15:45
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RST38hrm_you: app icon is a feature of the application, thus it was shown beside the app name15:45
RST38hrm_you: For a reason unknown to me you place some brown arrow BETWEEN application's icon and name15:46
RST38hrm_you: It all looks like fruitless ateempts to microwave an egg to me =)15:46
rm_youI agree it isn't yet optimal15:47
rm_youbut it is still 100x better than the arrow over on the right15:47
rm_youstill brainstorming15:47
RST38hrm_you: not really15:47
RST38hit is actually worse than having those arrows out of the way (albeit at the right)15:47
RST38hbasically, the only way you can get those arrows at the left is if you remove app icons15:48
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rm_youwhy?15:48
hrwguys: left panel is closed source?15:48
RST38hOR if you change arrow images so that they do not look like images at all15:48
rm_youRST38h: pft, I didn't want them to look like that to begin with, give me a sec15:48
rm_youI was just using your images15:49
RST38hSomething like a tiny black angle left-and-above the name will probably work15:49
RST38hplacing two different icons together is a bad idea, however you are trying to implement it15:49
RST38hhrw: It's closed, afaik15:49
hrwthx RST38h15:50
lcuk_wrkhrw, have you actually managed to find anything thats open?15:50
hrwlcuk_wrk: some parts are open still15:51
RST38hHildon widgets should be open15:51
lcuk_wrkyer i know, but every day you find something new thats not15:51
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lcuk_wrkRST38h, rm_you really wishes at least some were15:52
hrwlcuk_wrk: ;)15:52
hrwlcuk_wrk: now I would like to have possiblity to change red/yellow/red icons of presence to white ones15:53
RST38hhrw: These you can simply replace in the file system, afaik15:53
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hrwRST38h: I want to make it system friendly way15:53
johnxhrw, left panel is open source I think. part of the hildon desktop package15:53
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johnxit's in debian15:53
RST38hhrw: replacing a few files is a system friendly way really15:54
RST38hbetter than hacking at system components, anyway15:54
liriare perk bindings for gtk available on maemo?15:55
snowmoon-workanyone have docs/example of setting the hildon input hints under python ( for a text entry box )  the oracle is failing to bring back anything coherent15:55
Saviqhmm guys, trying to flash diablo after the initfs was modified for booting from mmc... and I'm getting a "Version of 'sw-release': <no version>" and the flasher quits... any ideas?15:55
hrwok -> /usr/share/icons/hicolor/40x40/hildon/ contains them15:58
hrwosso-icons-default package15:59
rm_youRST38h: ??15:59
rm_younow?15:59
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rm_youthat's more what I had in mind for arrows anyway16:00
RST38hrm_you: now, that is much better16:00
rm_youpackaging question... will 0.9b-1 or 0.9-2 be a higher ranked package?16:00
RST38hrm_you: although apps that have no icons appear to be dangling16:01
RST38hrm_you: maybe you can add a default icon for those?16:01
rm_youhrm16:01
johnxrm_you, 0.9b-1 > 0.9-216:01
rm_youdangling? they are just a little bit further out16:01
RST38hrm_you: 0.9-2 is higher ranked afaik16:01
rm_youjohnx: hrm k, good...16:01
rm_youhrm16:01
rm_youwell16:01
RST38hrm_you: that is what I call dangling =)16:01
RST38hrm_you: anyway, a default icon will fix them quite nicely16:02
rm_youRST38h's sorting algorithm in the package aggrigator shows 0.9-2 above 0.9b-116:02
rm_youbut i THINK johnz is right... i HOPE16:02
X-Faderm_you: I just saw that package in the promotion interface and was wondering about that too ;)16:02
rm_youlol16:02
rm_youyeah16:02
rm_youhrm16:02
RST38hrm_you: Well, 0.9-2 should be later than 0.9whatever-116:03
rm_youRST38h: slightly less dangling?16:03
RST38hAnd whoever calls them this way should be hung of course16:03
rm_youcrap, well i may have to fix my package name then16:03
* rm_you is hung16:03
RST38hrm_you: Yea, coolio16:03
rm_youlol16:04
rm_youthat is bad out of context :P16:04
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RST38hlooks decent now16:04
johnxrm_you, hmm? did it sort wrong?16:05
rm_youjohnx: i think i may have misnamed my new package16:05
rm_youno biggie, it is only in extras-devel yet16:05
rm_youRST38h: good :P16:05
rm_youso, any other bugfixes?16:05
rm_youRST38h: do I have to put Crawler.pl on a cron job or something?16:05
RST38hI do not see anything, but there are a few extensions you may want to do =)16:06
RST38hrm_you: yep, like once a day16:06
rm_youRST38h: like?16:06
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RST38hrm_you: I would add a few db fields that count number of .install downloads and showings in the query resulsts16:06
RST38hrm_you: this will let us sort stuff by popularity16:07
RST38hI would also add a separate view of all known repos16:07
RST38hFinally (actually this should be first) I would add diablo to the list of OS versions16:07
RST38hActually diablo is OS2008, so skip that =)16:08
rm_youlol16:08
rm_youbut has seperate repos >_<16:08
macoute_johnx: afaik 0.9-2 is the second package of 0.9-version and 0.9b-1 is the first package of 0.9b, so id say 0.9b is newer than 0.9?16:08
macoute_or does b stand for beta?16:08
rm_youthat is so very confusing from an EVERYTHING PACKAGE RELATED standpoint16:08
rm_yousame os, different codename/repos16:08
L0cutusmmm what is the more recent apps between maemo extras and testing maemo extras repos ?16:08
rm_youmacoute_: i meant for b to mean "revision b, same package"16:09
johnxmacoute_, that's what I figured too. but the important questions is what will apt-get think is later?16:09
X-FadeL0cutus: What do you mean by that ;)16:09
L0cutusgh16:09
rm_youbut i think the way you're supposed to do it is increment the number like 0.9-2 0.9-3 etc16:09
RST38hrm_you: I am pretty sure gronmayer will list it as OS200816:09
macoute_rm_you: yeah, so that revision b is newer than revision a (the first revision)16:09
rm_youi am just used to the 0.9, 0.9b, 0.9c, 0.9d  scheme16:09
L0cutusok i've see advanced-backlight 0.9-2 on maemo extras and advanced-backlight (v. 0.9b-1) on testing16:09
macoute_rm_you: yeah, me too16:10
L0cutuswhat is the more 'recent' ?16:10
rm_youLoCusF: yeah, and the one on testing is newer16:10
macoute_johnx: apt-get thinks 0.9b is newer, im pretty sure of that16:10
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RST38h-b thing is a punishable offense against the repository16:10
rm_you0.9b-1 is supposed to be newer than 0.9-216:10
RST38hrm_you: WHY?16:10
johnxmacoute_, that's what I thought too16:10
rm_youin the future I will not do that16:10
rm_youlike i said...16:10
rm_youi am just used to the 0.9, 0.9b, 0.9c, 0.9d  scheme16:10
rm_youthis is my first debian package :P16:10
L0cutusa ok16:10
macoute_and afaik that is very normal use of versioning16:11
L0cutuslol16:11
johnxanyways the "-2" is for packaging changes by the package maintainer and main version bumps are for the developer16:11
macoute_and -x means the package number as always16:11
rm_youbut i can see that it is very confusing16:11
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RST38hit's normal as long as you do not have tertiary version numbers16:11
rm_youit is even confusing me, and i labeled it16:11
johnxrm_you is dev and package maintainer so he gets to choose :P16:11
L0cutusinfact apps manager whant to upgrade it16:11
RST38hBOTH letters and tertiary version are weird16:11
macoute_0.9b.2-1 :S16:11
rm_youok so heres what happened16:11
RST38hAaaaaa16:11
L0cutuson diablo python 2.5 in installe dby default ?16:12
rm_you0.9-1 was my first release, but i boned the packaging so i made 0.9-2, which is what made it to the repo16:12
rm_yousame software version, just a package bump16:12
rm_you0.9b is supposed to be the new software version, and it is the first package, so ends up 0.9b-116:13
johnxrm_you, that sounds right16:13
rm_youyeah.... hrm16:13
RST38hrm_you: Oh, almost forgot16:13
rm_younot sure if i will continue numbering like that tho16:13
RST38hrm_you: At the bottom of the page, make my name point to http://fms.komkon.org/ and add yours16:13
johnxrm_you, just change the version scheme every release :D16:13
rm_yourofl16:14
* rm_you thinks johnx is deliciously evil16:14
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rm_youRST38h: add my name? >_>16:14
johnxmaybe the next can be 0.9b1-1?16:14
RST38hrm_you: Well, you are now maintaining it =)16:14
X-FadeNot as bad as this gem we have in extras: faad2_2.0.0+cvs20040908+mp4v2+bmp-0ubuntu6maemo116:15
X-FadeAnd I'm not making that up :)16:15
johnxoh, I believe you16:15
johnxit's what happens when things don't get pushed upstream and new downstreams develop16:16
L0cutusis ogg support there on diablo ?16:16
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RST38hX-Fade: looks like the guy delegated package naming to his CVS16:17
sidnei_q: i found lots of information about a webkit engine in the works and also fennec, is there a repo with packages for those?16:17
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rm_youRST38h: hrm, this doesn't appear to be gathering info from all of the repos correctly16:18
jsmithsidnei_: Yes, there's a repo for fennec, but I don't think it's working w/ Diablo yet16:18
rm_youas it doesn't include VIM16:18
rm_youbut the repo for VIM is in the database16:18
sidnei_jsmith: have a link, so i can keep an eye on it?16:19
L0cutusstrange dependecies has rsbackup16:19
rm_youjohnx: got my projector today, it roxxorz16:19
L0cutus'flash-and-reboot', 'initfs-flasher' and kernel-diablo-flasher16:20
jsmithsidnei_: http://people.mozilla.org/~vladimir/fennec.install16:20
rm_youL0cutus: that's actually packages that werent installed for some reason in the default image, but are required by maemo-software-version, ie, required base packages16:21
rm_youvery odd16:21
rm_youjust apt-get -f install, and you are set16:21
L0cutusok thanks16:22
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ccookeAnyone know of a good dev tutorial for maemo? I'm thinking of knocking up a quick python app as a proof of concept.16:23
ccookeI want an internet radio alarm clock.16:24
johnxrm_you, the one you were building? or did you buy one?16:24
rm_youccooke: heh, yeah that should be decently simple... erm, just need a maemo+python integration tutorial?16:24
L0cutuswhat's the best between easyroot and becomeroot ?16:24
ccookerm_you: yeah16:25
johnxeasyroot16:25
rm_youjohnx: the one I was building... and then gave up building cuz I suck at physics (optics) and didn't have access to good woodworking equipment16:25
rm_youi ended up shipping all the parts to some guy and paying him a bunch to make it16:25
johnxrm_you, and it works awesome?16:25
rm_youjohnx: very awesome16:25
rm_youccooke: if you find one, let me know :P I could prolly find one if i looked for like 5 minutes on google tho16:25
sidnei_rm_you: i confirm apt-get -f install does install those packages16:26
rm_youjohnx: just watched the new Futurama movie on it... and then Pulp Fiction :P16:26
ccookeI've found python to be surprisingly light on tutorials, actually16:26
rm_yousidnei_: yeah, it's very odd16:26
ccookenothing like - say - ruby16:26
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rm_youccooke: yeah, well IIRC the python bindings for maemo are... work in progress16:26
sidnei_ccooke: you're not supposed to need tutorials for python :)16:26
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rm_youat least, for stuff like statusbar apps and desktop applets16:27
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ccookesidnei_: in which case, someone should have told the language designers that so they made fewer special cases! ;-)16:28
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sidnei_i'm just soooo happy that the finger keyboard now finally works consistently16:32
herwoodhi16:32
sidnei_i used to randomly get finger or stylus keyboard depending on the application16:32
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snowmoon-workany python experts awake yet?16:39
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polacsidnei_, I just bought the n810. How do you activate stylus keyboard? I had the 770 and with it stylus keyboard just activated when I "clicked" display16:40
sidnei_polac: its in settings -> control panel -> text input settings16:41
sidnei_then 'on-screen'16:41
sidnei_and there's an option 'enable stylus input methods'16:42
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sidnei_which is disabled for me, since i don't like it ;)16:42
rm_yousleepy time i think... night yall16:42
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summatusmentisI'm looking to get the chinook extras repo setup on diablo, but it's telling me there's an invalid signature, is there a way to fix it?16:43
snowmoon-workccooke: I'm having similar trouble, what 'cha makin'16:43
ccookesnowmoon-work: nothing until I've got the scratchbox reinstalled :-)16:44
snowmoon-workI don't have scratchbox, it's not stopping me16:44
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rm_youwith python, you could prolly just code on the device16:44
rm_younot like you need a build environment <_<16:45
snowmoon-workI'm coding for gtk/linux with a try: import hildon block.  I scp the working app over to the n810 on occasion to test items16:45
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snowmoon-workI will concur... the docs are hit and miss16:45
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polacsidnei_, thanks! I have to try it.16:46
ccookerm_you: ... That's true16:46
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snowmoon-workI wound't code directly on the device, I like my sanity16:46
ccookesnowmoon-work: why not just ssh into the device and code on it?16:46
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rm_youyeah, sorry if i didn't clarify... definitely SSH :P16:47
snowmoon-workI can do the code/debug/test cycle much faster on my desktop and 98% of standard python/gtk works fine on the tablet16:47
L0cutusso now, to keep all updated, what are the right command to give ?16:47
hrwdid someone tried to change iconsize in application menu?16:47
L0cutusapt-get update;apt-get upgrade ?16:47
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L0cutusapt-get dist-upgrade no ?16:47
johnx'night rm_you16:49
rm_youjohnx: night... still wish we could hang out this summer :( ah well16:49
rm_youjohnx: how many more years you guys planning to stay there?16:49
L0cutusmmm battery-status doesn't work on diablo16:54
L0cutusit doesn't find a module gobject16:54
rm_youhrm ok really sleeping now... one last plug for my bounty: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/gbounty/index.php?type=group&group_id=564&pluginname=gbounty16:54
rm_younot really a lot of cash there, hoping someone is just naturally helpful :P16:55
Saviqguys where is openssh for diablo?16:55
rm_youSaviq: in chinook extras16:55
L0cutus'night rm_you :)16:55
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Saviqrm_you: http://repository.maemo.org/extras ?16:56
sp3000http://repository.maemo.org/extras, chinook, free non-free16:57
sp3000wasn't there supposed to be some sort of autobuild effort for diablo?16:57
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sp3000or is the promotion part not happening?16:58
X-Fadesp3000: Yes there is ;)16:58
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jsmithsp3000: I think there was an autobuild for chinook first, then diablo16:58
* sp3000 hasn't been really following it, not having any packages in that game16:58
X-FadeWorking really hard on that atm ;)16:58
sp3000ok good :)16:58
snowmoon-workccooke: you don't happen to know how to set the hildon input hint on a GtkEntry object in python do you?16:58
X-FadeWe're slowly filling extras-devel for diablo atm.16:58
ccookesnowmoon-work: not even started coding my first PoC yet :-)16:58
Saviqthat's better, thanks sp300016:59
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snowmoon-workWhat is this mystery project ( for the inanely curious )16:59
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aquatixmeh, no nmap for os2008?17:15
AStormaquatix: afaicr there is one17:15
AStormfound on gronmayer17:15
aquatixoh17:15
* aquatix was looking on maemo.org17:15
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summatusmentishas anyone else tried setting up chinook extras for diablo?17:17
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hrwsummatusmentis: I installed some stuff from there17:18
summatusmentishrw: did you set up the repo?17:19
hrwsummatusmentis: yes17:19
summatusmentishow did you fix the bad signature error?17:19
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hrwsummatusmentis: which error? it just worked for me17:20
hrwsummatusmentis: all I had to do was edit it in h-a-m and add distro field17:20
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summatusmentisI got a 'invalid signature' error when I ran apt-get update17:21
hrwW: GPG error: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG F5925991C8009E74 Nokia repository signing key 1v117:22
hrwthat one?17:22
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sidnei_i get that too17:24
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summatusmentisyes17:24
qwerty12It doesn't matter, it can be safely ignored.17:24
summatusmentisoh, ok17:25
hrw~curseDavid Weinehall17:25
qwerty12mce, display applet?17:26
qwerty12(take your pick >.<)17:26
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qwerty12Personally, my I hate nokia thing is matchbox.17:26
mouser-Hi guys.  The display on my N810 will not turn on.  The hw keyboard stopped working on it so I rebooted it and then couldn't get the display to turn on.  I can't tell if it's just the backlight that isn't lighting or if the display itself isn't on.  Any suggestions?17:26
hrwqwerty12: why?17:26
qwerty12The way it handles windows :(17:27
forgeMouse, Taken the battery out and let it cool a bit and then trying again ?17:27
* summatusmentis wonders about Modest vs. mnotify17:27
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mouser-forge: I had it charging last night in case it was a battery issue.  It doesn't feel hot at all, but the battery's out now.17:29
qwerty12I like nokia's new way of packing kernels :)17:29
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hrwqwerty12: small screen force such behaviour17:30
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hrwqwerty12: I hope that it will not overwrite my kernel without asking17:31
qwerty12hrw, It can do :/17:31
qwerty12If you want though, just use debian pinning to make sure it isn't updated.17:31
hrwqwerty12: I know that it can, I just hope that it will not do that without asking17:32
* ccooke attempts to wake up and read the python-maemo docs17:32
hrwqwerty12: I removed those packages from my n81017:32
* L0cutus is cloning diablo to mmc17:33
mouser-forge: how long should I leave it out?17:34
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qwerty12~lart microwave pizza for making the cheese fall off onto the microwave17:34
* infobot slams microwave pizza against a large cement Tux for making the cheese fall off onto the microwave17:34
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linux8mybaby<---- HELP17:35
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qwerty12Good Tux.17:35
qwerty12Have a cookie Tux.17:36
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macoute_where to get e2fsprogs packaged for diablo?17:37
qwerty12Chinook version should work perfectly fine, if not, I'll package you one later.17:38
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andrewfblackHey Guys17:39
qwerty12wtf, "/scratchbox/compilers/host-gcc/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libncursesw.so when searching for -lncursesw17:39
qwerty12"17:39
hrwqwerty12: and put it into extras...17:40
summatusmentisyour libncursesw is not happy17:40
qwerty12hrw, Someone can do that for me, extras scares me :)17:40
qwerty12summatusmentis, I have no idea why, this is cleanly installed diablo sdk :(17:41
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summatusmentislooks like a host system thing17:41
qwerty12It could be, compiling under windows isn't really a great idea :/17:42
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snowmoon-workI'm spinning up a VM for maemo dev, what's best/easiest to get scratch box working cleanly ... ubuntu?17:42
macoute_that would be maybe the easiest17:43
summatusmentisqwerty12: that's my assumption, your host system has an incompatible version of libncursesw17:43
jottsnowmoon-work: there is also http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ ..17:43
mouser-Replacing the battery fixed it, but it certainly seems odd that those two things would suddenly break.17:45
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L0cutusgreat program  to clone OS the penguinbait one :)17:49
penguinbaitthanks :)17:49
L0cutushehe17:50
L0cutusthe magic man :)17:50
qwerty12fcuk it, I'm just gonna edit scripts/kconfig/conf to not look for libncurses17:50
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penguinbaitmy motivation is driven by pure laziness :)17:50
wazdHello everybody :)17:51
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mouser-Hello wazd17:51
qwerty12Hi17:51
JaffaX-Fade: btw, at the weekend I'm going to be uploading some source packages to the builder (primarily the vala compiler so I can then upload some other packages depending on it). Is there much documentation on it?17:51
L0cutuspenguinbait: i've post a message on itt on your thread about my experience17:51
wazdHappy Diablo release :)17:51
penguinbaitoh you used advanced edition, its really nice eh :)17:52
wazdDoes anyone facing "hildon-desktop" crash with OMWeather in Diablo?17:52
qwerty12wazd, yes17:52
mgedminJaffa: yay! vala! yay!17:52
X-FadeJaffa: What documentation are you looking for?17:52
wazdIt's fixed now, please wait for 0.21 release :)17:52
hrwwazd: I have it too17:52
hrwwazd: cool17:52
mouser-wazd: Good to hear :)17:53
L0cutusyes penguinbait, really a panacea to our clone wastetime :D17:53
wazdBut 0.21 will bring you not only fixed crashes ;) A lot of new features are in :)17:53
penguinbaitL0cutus chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool --set-root-device ask:mmc217:54
L0cutusok17:54
penguinbaitor mmc1217:54
penguinbaitdepending on what partition is, I do not have it choose default boot partition17:54
L0cutusadd to INTERNAL.txt the option for this, eg. DEFAULT N17:55
L0cutusgh17:55
RST38hA pro-marijuana group has come up with an ingenious plan to combat air rage - let passengers skin up before flying out of Denver International Airport (DIA) which has become "a hot spot for arrests of drunken, unruly airplane passengers"17:55
sp3000"not just high altitudes anymore"17:56
wazdAw, another boring question, does anybody facing problems with RDesktop in Diablo (again)?)17:56
hrwwazd: when?17:56
hrwwazd: I mean: when OMWeather 0.21 release?17:56
wazdWell, according to my glitchy maemo-mail sending system it will be... tomorrow! :)17:56
penguinbaitL0cutus, I will consider it for future versions :)17:56
aquatixwazd: yay17:56
penguinbaitshouldnt be to hard17:56
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L0cutusyes, i think it is too17:58
wazdAh no, sorry, I'm wrong17:58
timelessrw: why curse david?17:58
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wazdIt will be on the July 2nd!)17:58
wazdBut it will be veeery nice release I tell ya!)17:59
* wazd turns Steve Jobs mode on17:59
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wazdgorgeous unpresidented extrordinary fabulous perfect shiny awesomely cool, best release EVER! © )))18:00
* wazd turns Steve Jobs mode off18:00
aquatixwazd: butbutbut18:00
qwerty12wazd, Stop that, you make me want to check out svn :p18:00
aquatixthat's a week from now!18:00
* aquatix can't wait that long18:01
aquatixit will kill me18:01
wazdIt's not in the SVN now ;)18:01
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* aquatix starts nmap'ing wazd's pc18:01
crashanddiewhat y'all talking about ?18:01
wazdTop Secret'n'stuff :)18:01
qwerty12wazd, Damn >.<18:01
penguinbaitmicrob now runs under other window managers with diablo, no bottom toolbar, but working great none the less18:01
wazdDiablo runs ultra-smooth to my mind18:02
mouser-wazd, a suggestion: Have the option of getting data from other sources, such as wunderground (unless that's already possible?)18:02
wazdmouser - you bet ;)18:02
wazdWell, It's there but Underground haven't respond to my request of giving XML info18:03
wazdAsses x(18:03
wazdBut! Good news: weather.com sends 10 days forecast again, open the shampagne :)18:04
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mouser-wazd: What's the memory footprint of OMweather now?18:05
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wazdgood question :) Actually I don't know how to see it cause i'm not a coder :)18:07
wazdAn I don't have latest-latest build of it cause debugging process is 24/7 now :)18:08
wazdour coders, Vlad and Pavel works pretty hard right now to clean up all the bugs in here :)18:09
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cyberholicheeeelllo everyone18:09
chille_do anyone have the kcbatt.c file?18:09
chille_the site is offline and i really need that file now :(18:10
qwerty12That's true say, where is KotCzarny? I miss that guy.18:10
RST38hprobably courting some koshka =)18:10
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qwerty12That's probably Polish/Russian/Ukranian for something I don't know :P18:11
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RST38ha female cat. although Polish equivalent may differ a bit.18:11
qwerty12Ah cool.18:13
RST38hnaaah, google says it is the same thing18:13
qwerty12summatusmentis, I know what my ncurses problem is, I think nokia messed up :/18:13
summatusmentisoh?18:14
qwerty12Yes, I only have the diablo sdk repo and to make sure everything was there, I did apt-get install *curses and everything was listed as installed. In usr/include, I had to symlink ncursesw to ncurses18:15
cyberholicok.. i know that you guys realy hate me for developing Flash applications. You want me to give you another reason for hating me?18:16
qwerty12You made a pink transformation pack?18:17
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cyberholiclol. no... i started to develop a system substituition so that instead of a whole system, i some day will only need a browser on my device *sigh*18:18
JaffaX-Fade: documentation of the form: what architectures will it build (x86/armel)?18:18
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cyberholicbut now that the new ubuntu is out, i do not know if i will continue the work....18:18
X-FadeJaffa: Yeah, it will build both..18:18
ccookehmmm...18:18
ccookeso... there's been no documentation for Python on Maemo written since version 3, right?18:18
Jaffamgedmin: yeah, I'm a bit impressed by it. Figure I'll get valac and hopefully libgee in extras-devel by the end of the weekend; and maybe some simple noddy vala Hildon app18:18
JaffaX-Fade: cool18:18
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qwerty12wazd, Go on, post up info on the new omweather here and put them out of their misery :) : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=195303#post19530318:23
Veggenenterprise is fun.18:23
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Veggenenterprise thing that embeds RedHat enterprise is even more fun.18:23
Veggen<---hit a kernel bug that I see is discussed on mailing lists at least in october 2004...(in kernel 2.4.22, I have 2.4.21(!))18:24
qwerty12Is there any program that can list the libraries that a binary file needs?18:24
Jaffaqwerty12: ldd18:24
sp3000ldd something18:24
qwerty12Thank you18:24
hrwcyberholic: and you will get a 80s feel on device due to flash taking most of cpu time for doing nothing?18:24
cyberholicok everyone, juste in case you would like to see what is able with FLASH and the APIs out there, here are my first steps .....18:24
cyberholichttp://www.mojocafe.net/v2/18:24
hrwqwerty12: objdump18:24
cyberholichrw: not if oyu know how to develop the stuff and ignore all the animation stuff.18:25
cyberholicat the moment only the yahoo weather and the eventlist work.18:25
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hrwcyberholic: thx but for me flash is good for banner or simple games. nothing more18:27
wazdhrw, well, it the right hands flash is VEEERY powerfull tool18:28
cyberholichrw: checked out the mojos at mojocafe.net? full screen clocks on your device?18:28
wazdin the left hands everything sux :)18:28
hrwwazd: sure, but tell to adobe that x86 is not the only one existing platform18:28
Jaffacyberholic: Opening a web browser, getting an internet connection and logging on to a website to get a full screen clock seemed a little.... inefficient.... to me.18:28
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qwerty12But the left side is the crip side!18:29
wazdJaffa, just save them)18:29
wazdand then just click on the file and voia la :)18:30
cyberholicwazd: correct!18:30
cyberholicthat only does not work with the news or weather Mojos as you need to go online. But as allready mentioned before, i think that it is only a question of time when people will be 24/7 online.18:31
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wazd25/8! ))18:32
cyberholiclol18:32
florianhi murrayc_18:32
wazdbtw, why can't anybody make a desktop applet that plays flash?)18:32
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murrayc_hi florian18:32
* hrw does not use any desktop applets now18:33
cyberholicwazd: because *nix loves not flash :)18:33
wazdah, hell(18:33
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wazdhrw, you don't use OMWeather?! Die!111 xD18:33
hrwwazd: it does not work under Diablo18:34
qwerty12Ya, I don't feel like going through gconf to configure the app :/18:34
Jaffawazd/cyberholic: yes, I know that's possible - and I've used it in the past for some games, but it's hardly user friendly18:34
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qwerty12It may just need a recompile with diablo libraries though.18:34
* qwerty12 shrugs18:34
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hrwomwheather is not buildable outside of maemo anyway18:35
hrwwazd: make it buildable without liblocation18:35
wazdwhy do you need OMWeather outside the maemo?)18:35
snowmoon-workyou can't build it in scratchbox?18:36
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wazdAw, I have a nice software idea :) Flash launcher!)18:36
cyberholicjaffa: as i said before, in my opinion it is not the question of the reason why, but because of the content. I also first thought: GEEEESus, i can play gameboy games on my n800 - but when i touched my screen so often, i get afraid that my device might break because of me wanting to play gameboy games on it. So i continue to play the games on my real gameboy. But the fullscreen clocks, weather info etc. is only there to offer some information w18:36
hrwwazd: because I want?18:36
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wazdhrw, well, okay!)18:37
hrwsnowmoon-work: scrachbox is not on my list of tools which I use18:37
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snowmoon-workI havn't gotten around to it either18:37
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wazdwe need something like MPlayer but for flash files :)18:38
RST38hyou mean whole flash or .flv?18:38
snowmoon-workanyone know how to set the hildon input hints on GtkEntry fields through python?18:38
wazd.swf :018:38
wazd:)18:38
Jaffawazd: Flash launcher and Flash desktop applets is exactly what Ubuntu Mobile uses for its whizzy home screen. It just hides the left-hand navigator and then has a very large applet in the middle of the desktop showing a Flash app18:39
RST38hWell, Adobe is supposed to have open-sourced flash player18:39
* snowmoon-work *shudders* think of the battery people!18:39
Jaffawazd: and there's already a stand-alone player for Flash files on the tablet, it's used in the "Getting started" thingy18:39
Jaffasnowmoon-work: indeed18:40
wazdJafa, oh hell, i think it's damn slow :)18:40
wazdjaffa*, sorry18:40
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mouser-Jaffa: Do you know the name of the built-in flash player?18:40
wazdOh, if it's already there, we just need a finger-friendly launcher for files and here we go :)18:41
qwerty12It "hooks" the microb flash plugin. I remember in chinook, if you turned it off in browser, getting started would show nothing.18:42
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wazddamn, it's really great idea! It will allow developers to use another enviroment to make applications18:43
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qwerty12Well, I don't think the getting started is open source but you can replace the swf file that it plays.18:45
cyberholicwazd: thats exactly why i started mojocafl.net - at least as it is flash, you can play it at nearly ANY device. I have been informed that the Mojos also do work on the PSP and the n95 with the latest firmware!18:45
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penguinbaitdid diablo come with rotation support?18:46
qwerty12penguinbait, no18:46
cyberholicOk guys. gotta go back to work. until then enjoy the day and wish you the best.18:46
penguinbaitthats what I thought, but I have people telling me I broke the built in rotation support in diablo with my clone deb18:47
qwerty12Itt = Noobs18:47
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penguinbaityes qwerty18:48
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hrwso it looks like Diablo needs only gnutls and libsoup?18:48
penguinbaitits amazing how much time I spend on troubleshooting stuff, just because people refuse to #$@$#@ read18:48
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qwerty12Ok, anyone want cfdisk?18:55
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snowmoon-workok... how about docs/examples on interacting with gconf through python?18:57
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mgedminsnowmoon-work: have you tried google?19:03
mgedminI remember seeing something like that...19:03
snowmoon-workYes, as wellas site searching maemo, pygtk, ...19:03
mgedminit was a Python script that used gconf to set the desktop wallpaper19:03
mgedminthe bindings looked pretty simple19:03
snowmoon-workI'm sure they are simple, but I'm having a hell of a time finding updates docs19:04
snowmoon-workor any docs, right now I'm searching through 3 year old code looking for insight19:04
mgedminimport gconf; client = gconf.client_get_default(); print client.get_string("/desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename")19:04
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snowmoon-workusing help(gconf) is a poor substitute for docs19:08
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hrwcan someone add 'how to add your package into extras repository' on wiki?19:31
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qwerty12jott, ping19:34
hrhrhi, can anybody help me, I 5 times try to download with my unstable connect "diablo" image and have no success...have anybody link with resume download?19:34
ccookeHmm19:34
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qwerty12W00T Party time19:41
hellwolfhappy splitting19:41
qwerty12It was nice knowing yo... ARRGH!!!!!19:42
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qwerty12~lart nokia for taking the piss with kernel packaging20:15
* infobot slaps nokia upside the head with a wet fish for taking the piss with kernel packaging20:15
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Anunakincan any posy the default content for hildon-application-manager.list on diablo ?20:19
Anunakinpost20:19
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mgedminAnunakin: you mean /var/lib/dpkg/info/hildon-application-manager.list ?20:22
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mgedminAnunakin: http://maemo.pastey.net/9003120:23
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killfillhey..20:28
killfilli have gpe-calendar installed20:28
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killfilland synevolution does not see the calendar database... whats the matter?20:28
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n800nis there a standalone onscreen keyboard app for n800?20:30
n800nother than the default20:30
n800nor a way to call it up manually?20:30
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killfillthere is the iphone keyb like demo.. :P20:32
n800nwhere?20:35
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Anunakinmgedmin: I need this /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list20:41
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mgedminAnunakin: http://maemo.pastey.net/90034, more or less20:44
mgedminmine is already customized20:44
mgedminso I removed the extra repos20:45
mgedminand changed the extras entry from chinook back to diablo20:45
mgedminalthough the default was empty and I don't know how h-a-m represents that in sources.list20:45
Anunakinmgedmin: Thanks!20:46
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EruditeHermithey20:46
EruditeHermitwhat is the difference between feature upgrade unlocked and the default feature upgrade20:47
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PhosphoricXI'd like to use a custom maemo menu icon, can anybody point me to a good tutorial. I don't want to package my app.20:51
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inzWhy don't you want to package your app?20:52
zapPhosphoricX: put something liek "Icon=xxx" in your desktop file20:53
zapand put a xxx.png in /usr/share/pixmaps20:53
zapthats all20:53
PhosphoricXinz: still testing and had trouble setting up cpu transparency under VMware20:53
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PhosphoricXzap: cool, but how do I get it to appear bigger20:54
PhosphoricXzap: right now it's tiny tiny, looks like 24x24 maybe20:54
InteliWaspis there a win ce emulator for the n800?20:55
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timelessfwiw, i'm pulling the sources of diablo from repository.maemo.org21:02
timelessi should have a cross reference on timeless.justdave.net by the end of the week21:03
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GeneralAntillesUgh, more spam.21:08
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timeless?21:09
GeneralAntilleswiki21:09
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Edgesterhi there, how can I flash the diabl image to my SD card so I can try diablo?21:10
PhosphoricXah, finally go it, you have to rebuild the icon cache and put the 64x64 under scalable21:11
VeggenHmm. Don't think maemo mapper works in Diablo...21:12
GeneralAntillesI've been using it for weeks.21:13
qwerty12_N800^21:13
VeggenGA: it won't find any gpsd.21:13
Veggenok, might be n810 specific.21:14
GeneralAntillesBluetooth21:14
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GeneralAntillesBlank MAC21:14
Veggenah, thanks.21:15
VeggenThat was far from logical ;)21:15
GeneralAntillesIt's covered pretty much everywhere, though.21:15
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Veggenbut it's changed in Diablo?21:15
GeneralAntillesNo.21:15
GeneralAntillesWorked the same way in Chinook.21:15
Veggenhmf. But chinook had a proper gpsd too?21:15
VeggenI'm pretty sure I used gpsd.21:16
GeneralAntillesThen you reconfigured the gpsd in Chinook.21:16
Veggenoh well. Maybe I don't remember.21:17
VeggenI'm not gonna reflash Chinook to check it ;)21:17
GeneralAntillesYou don't. ;)21:17
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Veggennow, time to go out, reboot the GPS while no network connection, and test how long it'll take to get a fix (with agps, mind you)21:18
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Veggeneh, reboot the n810...21:18
hrhrall, plz,I need RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, can anybody send me it by email, I can't download it from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php, I've very unstable link21:19
timelessno21:19
timelessthat file is not for redist21:19
Anunakinhum ...21:19
Anunakinhrhr: try use firefox to download21:19
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hrhrff3.0 error after reconnect =(21:20
AnunakinI using FF2.0.14 on Gentoo Linux21:20
Anunakinworks nice21:21
hrhrI use opera, ff, konqueror on gentoo21:21
hrhrno effect21:21
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GeneralAntillesMan, it's an epic shitstorm of bad advice on itT.21:26
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RST38hGA: XChat/Transmission thread?21:29
GeneralAntillesYes, and others.21:30
RST38hI do not understand what their problem is: both apps work for me on Diablo21:30
RST38hModest, on the other hand, fails in a variety of ways21:30
RST38hJust found that its mail fetcher crashes, so I had to cancel dozens of "Mail application has crashed" dialogs21:31
Veggenok. download openstreetmap full detail of the city center, before I go out on GPS testing expedition.21:36
* qwerty12_N800 hates decimals. I always think 2.14 is newer than 2.8 until i remember 2.8 = 2.80 :/21:39
Veggenwith version numbers, you can't be sure.21:39
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mgedminwhat?21:40
mgedminoh, right21:40
mgedminI've almost forgotten that version numbers used to be floats in DOS/Windows world21:41
mgedminin Linux version numbers are strings of integers, sorted lexicographically21:41
mgedminso 2.14 is usually newer than 2.821:41
mgedminit's easier when there are three numbers: 2.14.0 vs 2.8.021:42
mgedminthen it's obvious this can't be a float21:42
lcukewww, that looks wrong, in windows im used to major.minor.revision21:42
lcukhi marius btw21:42
timelesslcuk, i think the reference is to 3.11 v 3.121:42
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mgedminhi, lcuk21:42
RST38hqwerty: 2.14 newer than 2.8 =)21:42
RST38h2.1.4 is not 2.14 =)21:42
qwerty12_N800RST38h, Ah, thanks >.<21:43
lcuk2.14.021:43
qwerty12_N800~lart dodgy versioning21:44
* infobot beats the living hamstercrap out of dodgy versioning21:44
lcukand any system you come up with will just confuse users more21:44
lcuki actually like dated releases21:44
InteliWaspis there a winCE emulator for the n800?21:46
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GeneralAntillesOK, I'm not deleting anymore spam pages today21:47
GeneralAntillesanonymous http edit ban is going back in place for 24 hours.21:47
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RST38hW: GPG error: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG F5925991C8009E74 Nokia repository signing key 1v121:48
killfillhey im GMT -421:48
RST38hWhat do I do?21:48
killfillwhere do i set this?..21:48
GeneralAntillesIgnore it.21:48
lcukkillfill, move house21:48
RST38hGMT-4 is ocean21:48
GeneralAntilleskillfill, what are you talkingg about?21:48
GeneralAntillesRST38h, no it's not.21:48
GeneralAntillesIt's EDT21:48
lcuk\s\boat\house\21:48
GeneralAntillesor up in Canada.21:48
RST38hAh, shit...21:48
* RST38h forgot21:48
* lcuk fails21:48
GeneralAntillesYou'd still be wrong even if it weren't for DST. :P21:49
RST38hGA: Newfoundland is probably the only place21:49
killfillaah nevermind.. :P21:49
GeneralAntillesCanada, Brazil21:49
GeneralAntilleshttp://www.geographicguide.net/maps/time-zones.gif21:49
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RST38hah21:49
lcukdamn, openmoko released and the slashdot article says "t boasts a 500MHz processor, WiFi, 3D"    newline     *heart skipped a beat*   "accelerometers, a 4.3-inch VGA touchscreen, Bluetooth, and built-in GPS."21:50
RST38hSo, what do I do about that BADSIG error?21:50
lcukget a better sig21:50
GeneralAntillesIgnore it21:50
qwerty12_N800heh21:50
GeneralAntillesThat's what I do, anyway.21:50
RST38hapt-get update stops21:50
qwerty12_N800RST38h, it doesn't21:50
qwerty12_N800those msgs are displayed after downloading new package lists21:51
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killfillwhere does pimlico dates save the calendar data?21:51
killfillneed to reset it21:51
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RST38hqwerty:: ah21:52
RST38hapt-get upgrade installs flasher apps21:53
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RST38hthen upgrades python...mhm21:53
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lcukcan i list the packages i have installed and the dates when i installed them?21:55
RST38hBTW, I still have rtcom-beta-os2008 installed - should I remove it?21:55
RST38hlcuk: dpkg --list21:55
lcukthx21:55
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mgedminlcuk: for the dates try ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/*.list22:01
RST38hGeneral: There?22:01
mgedminsorry, ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list22:01
GeneralAntillesYeah22:01
lcukahhh mgedmin thanks, i was just seeing if there was an option on dpkg22:01
RST38hGeneral: Could you check if you have rtcom-beta-os2008 installed on your pad?22:01
mgedminlcuk: if there is, tell me :-)22:02
GeneralAntillesI do not22:02
GeneralAntillesEr, well, should not22:02
GeneralAntillesI didn't install it.22:02
RST38hdpkg --llist ?22:02
RST38h--list sorry22:02
lcukrst, doesnt list dates22:02
RST38hlcuk: I know, but I just need to find out if rtcom-beta-os2008 is present in diablo22:02
GeneralAntillesI do not.22:03
Robot101hrm, we should probably update that, yeah :)22:03
Robot101otoh, it should just work (tm)22:03
GeneralAntillesI was really hoping Diablo would ship with all the shiny new telepathy plugins. . . .22:03
qwerty12_N800RST38h, It is not present by default in diablo  but installs and works fine in diablo22:04
Robot101if you look closely, the beta actually has the telepathy plugins hosted on collabora.co.uk :)22:04
GeneralAntillesYeah, that's where I've been directing people22:04
GeneralAntillesbut I'd just as soon that everybody could add their AIM, Yahoo and MSN accounts right off the bat.22:04
Robot101yeah, I think that'd involve paperwork between Nokia and the respective companies :)22:05
snowmoon-workFunny they didn't ship the rtcomm stuff ( that seems to work like a charm ) but shipped modest which hasn't been stable for months22:05
RST38hqwerty: but it is not needed, right?22:05
RST38hRobot: yep22:06
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timelesssnowmoon: it's mostly controlled by promises22:06
timelessmodest was committed for diablo22:06
sinakhello! Is there xchat for N800?22:06
snowmoon-workthat like programming by faith ;-)22:06
GeneralAntilleshttp://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/22:06
qwerty12_N800RST38h, Not if you don't use msn, aim, yahoo or irc with the built in chat client.22:06
RST38htimeless: and it still crashes every time it goes to check email22:06
RST38hqwerty: just using icq and gtalk22:07
timelessrst38h: i use gmail22:07
timelesswhich works nicely in browser :)22:07
sidnei_gmail is paaaainful to use on microb22:07
sidnei_although quite reasonable on the ipod touch *wink*22:07
lcukmgedmin, :) perfect - with a tweak (-ltr) i got the results even sorted as required22:08
timelesssidnei: https://mail.google.com/mail/h/ works fine22:08
snowmoon-workthe iphone site in portrait mode isn't too bad22:08
timelesssidnei: you can also ask gmail to give you the apple feel in microb22:08
RST38hohshiticqjustwentaway!!!22:08
sidnei_is it possible to get microb in portrait mode?22:08
qwerty12_N800RST38h, icq iirc is part of rtcomm22:08
timelesssidnei: not out of the box22:08
RST38hsidnei: Use mobile version of gmail22:08
sidnei_timeless: yes, i did that, but on landscape mode its kinda odd22:08
RST38hqwerty: yep22:08
timelesssidnei: anyway, you have choices22:09
timelesshttps://mail.google.com/mail/x/22:09
timelesshttps://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=122:09
timelessdepending on what you need, you should be able to find one that works22:09
timelessi know that an imap client will not be able to survive my mailboxes22:09
timelessso i don't bother22:09
sidnei_same here :)22:10
RST38htimeless: I also use gmail and pine from xterm22:10
sidnei_is there a mutt package?22:10
RST38htimeless: but it is still frustrating that the INTERNET tablet does not come with a working mail client22:10
timelessrst38h: ...22:10
timelessYou are currently using 2498 MB (36%) of your 6863 MB.22:10
timeless1 - 50 of 185525 Older .  Oldest ;22:10
snowmoon-workI'm only using 200MB and modest still crashes22:11
RST38hI am? Really? :)22:11
timelesspine/mutt are not likely to survive that22:11
GeneralAntillesModest has a 15k message hard-limit, I believe.22:11
RST38htimeless: Depends on how you sort it22:11
timelessrst38h: "sort"? never heard of that22:11
timelessbut typically sorting 100k messages is very expensive22:11
mgedminGeneralAntilles: really???22:11
RST38htimeless <-- disorganized! =)22:11
timelessrst38h: why should i organize?22:12
* Stskeeps uses gtd principles.. almost constant empty inbox and a read folder22:12
Stskeeps:P22:12
sidnei_it wouldn't be so bad if modest respected the 'fetch only last 100 messages' setting22:12
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RST38htimeless: to become a better human being? =)22:12
sidnei_im really puzzled that that setting doesnt do anything22:12
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timelesshttps://mail.google.com/mail/#search/is%3Aunread+(crash+OR+crashes+OR+crashed+OR+coverity+OR+%22dumped+core%22+OR+segfault+OR+%22core+dump%22+OR+klocwork+OR+%22qacontact%3Atimeless%22+OR+%22bemail%22+OR+%22webtools.bugs%22+OR+%22ReportedBy%3Atimeless%22+OR+%22inspector%40extension.bugs%22)]/22:12
sidnei_maybe it's just for pop?22:12
timelesssidnei: imap doesn't work that way22:13
GeneralAntillessidnei_, http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2008-June/033961.html22:13
lcukdoesnt google automatically handle plurals in its search algo?22:13
timelessyou're generally required to get the whole index22:13
GeneralAntillesAll explained very nicely there.22:13
GeneralAntillesmgedmin, that was the read I got from the thread, anyway.22:13
lcukcan i cough loudly and say outlook express can handle a metric shittonne of emails (thats a SI unit btw)22:14
GeneralAntillesYou could, but then we'll just have to laugh at you for using Outlook.22:15
melmothAnybody succeeded in uploading in extras or extras-devel for diablo ?22:15
melmothThe usual way (http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/extras_repository.html) dont work for me anymore.22:15
melmothAnd all the thread in the list do not states _where_ is actually explained the "new" way ,if any22:16
GeneralAntilleshttp://extras-cauldron.garage.maemo.org/HOWTO.html22:16
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lcukis canola in the standard repo?22:17
timelesshrm, how new is extras-cauldron?22:17
GeneralAntillesIt's in Extras.22:17
qwerty12_N800lcuk, chinook extras22:17
melmoththanks. Is it "official" (or just a garage project that makes an autobuilder)22:17
lcukthat wont go through the couldron then will it22:17
timelesscool, swift knows about extras-cauldron22:18
GeneralAntilleshttp://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2008-June/033979.html http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2008-June/033630.html22:19
GeneralAntillesSee those threads.22:19
timelessgan: you should really move the css out of the howto file22:20
timelessand you should also fix the file extension22:20
timelessHOWTO.html w/ an xml / xhtml doctype22:20
GeneralAntillesHuh?22:20
timelesshttp://swift/garage/source/extras-cauldron/www/HOWTO.html?force=122:20
RST38hAnybody knows where rtcom stores contact information?22:20
timeless1 <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" ?>22:20
timeless2 <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">22:20
timeless3 <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en">22:20
timeless9 <style type="text/css">22:20
GeneralAntillestimeless, I'm not involved with that at all. :P22:20
GeneralAntillesThat's an X-Fade issue.22:20
timelessok. => x-fade :)22:21
melmothgrumble, the process is more complicated than before (wich was not that simple already)22:21
melmothnow, admitting rebuild works, i end up with my package in extras-devel.22:21
melmothso, i will need to push it in extras in some way.22:22
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GeneralAntilleshttps://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php22:22
melmothwich i m sure i have seen somebody mention a web page doing that,but as i was not using it before, i did not bookmarked it :)22:22
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timelesshrm, is promoter-beta open source?22:22
timelessbecause swift doesn't seem to have that22:22
GeneralAntillesI'm not sure if the promoter has been enabled for Diablo Extras yet. . . .22:23
melmoththanks22:23
GeneralAntillesmelmoth, the info is in one of the threads I linked, anyway.22:23
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* timeless grins22:24
timelessi downloaded the entire diablo sdk sources and in the process, the amount of disk space used on my system decreased :)22:25
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sinakI'm writing something to nano but I can't save it22:30
sinakwhen I'm trying Ctrl+O22:30
sinakit asks me about the name of the file22:31
sinakand I can't press enter22:31
qwerty12_N800if you are editing something outside of /home/user ; make sure you are root22:31
sinaki'm root22:31
sinakit is not an access denied problem22:31
timelessum22:32
mgedminsinak: press ctrl-m22:32
sinakthe problem is that when it asks me about the file name, I can't press the enter key22:32
mgedminor ctrl-j22:32
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timelessdid someone change the svn server from garage.maemo.org to svn.garage.maemo.org ??22:32
sinakctrl-m worked!22:33
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sinakthank u mgedmin22:33
sinak:-)22:33
sinakchinook is for the OS2008?22:34
sinak*is chinook for the OS2008?22:35
jsmithAren't "chinook" and "diablo" *BOTH* OS2008?22:35
GeneralAntilles^22:35
mgedminkinda yes22:35
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GeneralAntillesChinook is a release of OS2008.22:35
zapMaemo SDK will be updated for 4.1? Or the same SDK will do just fine?22:35
mgedminchinook is the old 2008, diablo is the new 200822:35
sinaki see22:35
GeneralAntilleszap, the packages in the repo have been updated.22:35
mgedminzap: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-4-1-diablo-sdk/22:36
qwerty12_N800zap, the sdk is already updated22:36
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timelessum22:36
timelesshelp22:36
timelesstimeless@swift:/home/svn/world-all/garage% svn --non-interactive checkout https://svn.garage.maemo.org/svn/notyet22:36
timelesssvn: PROPFIND of '/svn/notyet': Server certificate verification failed: certificate issued for a different hostname, issuer is not trusted (https://svn.garage.maemo.org)22:36
timelessok22:37
timelesssomeone *broke* garage.maemo.org22:37
timelessit gives out bogus instructions22:37
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RST38hsays notyet!22:38
timelessdoesn't matter22:38
timelessthey all give the same output22:38
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timelessi have a script that harvests garage22:39
timelessand it fails because of this22:39
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* mgedmin installs the diablo sdk and files https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=330522:45
sidnei_timeless: i believe you need to run without --non-interactive once and accept the cert22:46
sidnei_timeless: and after that it will work22:46
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* mgedmin had the same problem with buildbot and svn over https:// here; /me used svn ls https:/// interactively once to make svn accept the cert22:47
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sinakhow can i paste text in terminal?23:06
sinakCtrl+V doesn't work23:06
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lbt_sinak: err... menu->edit->copy menu->edit->paste23:08
sinakyou 're right :-)23:08
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kkrustythis update probably makes the maemo development appliance obsolete23:17
kkrustycorrect?23:17
lcukwhy does it?23:17
qwerty12_N800i'm sure setanta will update soon.23:18
kkrustybecause it was made for bora and chinook23:18
lcukworst case, you still have scratchbox and linux and you may need a new development target23:18
* kkrusty is about to run the appliance. VMWare runs extra slow on vista23:19
lcukeverything runs extra slow on vista23:19
lcukso its not singled out for preferential treatment23:19
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lcukkkrusty, if its any concellation, vmware runs like a dog on my xp box as well23:20
kkrustywell my machine is a C2D 2.2 Ghz 4 GB Ram dell m1330. It shouldnt be like this23:21
qwerty12_N800xp mce , 2.8 ghz dual core & 4gb ram and vmware runs fine.23:22
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lcukthe mouse goes out of sync - ive got accel enabled in windows, but vmware doesnt pick up on it so it goes out of whack and i have to drag mouse back to opposite side to reset23:23
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lcukit annoyed me often23:24
setantaqwerty12_N800, kkrusty yep :)23:24
lcukhence installing gcc on device and finding a better way :)23:24
qwerty12_N800setanta, cool, thanks :)23:24
MangoFusioni tend to find that vm's really slow my MBP down if i'm not careful23:25
MangoFusionlots of HD access, etc23:25
lcukmore memory/faster bigger hard drive, do a reorg and dont use the same drive for vmware as your torrents23:26
lbt_Mmm my lowly celeron server box runs 3 xen VMs, imap, ldap, dns, 1.2Tb filserver, egroupware(vm). No gui overhead I guess...23:26
lbt_debian of course...23:27
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* lbt curses and goes back to g++23:27
lcukhey, dont just drop random linux nuggets like that and leave23:29
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lcuklbt, dont you get confused about which one your using23:30
lbtconfused?23:30
lbtoh, which VM?23:30
lbtno, they all live in a virtual cupboard...23:31
lbtbehind me23:31
lcuk:D cool23:31
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lbtI log into them via ssh :)23:31
lbtcan't tell what's real and what's not...23:31
lcuknot fun then, they arent real vms then23:31
lbtlike most of my life really...23:31
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lbtOh, they're real23:32
lcukheh23:32
lbtOne day I'm going to setup xen somewhere else23:32
lbtand take them on a day trip23:32
lcukat least with me i know ive only got one cpu in the box, with your method they could multiply whilst you're not looking23:32
lbtI bought a hyperthreading Celeron from ebay so I have 2 virtual CPUs too23:33
melmothGeneralAntilles: any idea why the -dev packages are not pushed to extras-devel when the build succeed ?23:33
lcukhyperthreading was going to save the world23:33
lcuk:D23:33
melmothhttps://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/clucene-core_0.9.20-1/23:33
GeneralAntillesmelmoth, could by a timing issue?23:33
GeneralAntillesNot sure23:33
GeneralAntillesI'm the wrong guy to ask, honestly. ;)23:33
GeneralAntillesBut I don't think X-Fade's about.23:34
melmothok. no problemo23:34
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lbtanyway, leave me alone; I'm trying to relearn C++ and my head hurts... :)23:34
lcukwhen you remember pass it on,23:34
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lcukthe more i think about it, the more im convinced im ready23:34
qwerty12_N800how did nokia come to the decsion of removing [batch-]unzip from diablo :(23:35
lbtlcuk: deep breath23:35
lcukim still holding mine from last night23:35
lbtwent well though didn't it?23:36
lcukyes, i learnt what i already knew but worst fears haven't come true, ie i didnt blow peoples computers up23:36
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lcukgod the double negatives there are shocking23:37
qwerty12_N800lcuk, re liqbase, when you say "cpufreq functions require root permissions", do you mean I start the program as root, or add stuff to sudoers?23:39
lcukqwerty12_N800, whichever you want :) as root for testing is simplest, if you decide to play for longer add it to sudoers23:40
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qwerty12_N800ah, ok, thanks for clearing that up, I have an aversion to sudoers :)23:41
lcukso do i23:41
lcukbut i have it setup on mine here simply because i use it all the time23:41
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timelesshttp://manzoogy.tistory.com/23:42
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GeneralAntillesWe really need to define a cleaner process for this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Questions_for_Nokia23:47
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wazdHello again :)23:48
GeneralAntillesWe still need ideas here, too: http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo-meeting/223:49
ccookeIs there a list of which repositories are safe for Diablo?23:49
GeneralAntillesJust stick to Extras and maybe -devel.23:50
GeneralAntillesThere's no need to add every repository in existence23:50
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GeneralAntillesIf you need something from a specific repository, then add it23:51
GeneralAntillesGenerally speaking, Diablo is compatible with Chinook.23:51
gpdnumptyphysics works on diablo - all is good in the world :)23:51
khertanHi !23:51
khertanhum i can t download it23:52
wazdGeneral, we're making Maemo meetings here in Moscow as often as we can :)23:53
GeneralAntillesWith Quim? ;)23:53
wazdYaya, and with Elvis presley and Pokemons xDD23:53
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wazdAaaw, you're proposing chat-meeting like the first time?)23:55
wazdSorry, missunderstood :)23:55
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GeneralAntillesQuim's available until the 3rd of July23:56
GeneralAntillesWe need to get a topic and agenda together.23:56
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