| GeneralAntilles | atezun, only if you have an N810. | 00:00 |
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| kkrusty | i kid | 00:00 |
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| atezun | ah well, thanks though | 00:01 |
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| atezun | in that case anyone know where to email feedback to nokia then? | 00:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | atezun, bugs.maemo.org | 00:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | but the issue you're having is mostly solved by Diablo. | 00:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's too bad you can't ban people from the mailing list for "idiot". | 00:26 |
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| lbt | GeneralAntilles: ?? | 00:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Speaking generally. :P | 00:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Although Mr. Mark Haury is a front-runner at the moment. | 00:28 |
| lbt | not Darius? | 00:29 |
| GAN800 | He's more craazy than anything, and we can already ban him for html. :D | 00:29 |
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| lcuk | ermmm GeneralAntilles whats the repo list site from the topic? (or to teach me to fish, how do i reshow the topic of this chan?) | 00:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Depends on your client. | 00:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | /topic will show the topic for some | 00:54 |
| lcuk | tis ok :) i didnt drown, thanks it worked | 00:54 |
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| m-c | Has anyone connected the NIT to a linux desktop via Bluetooth for use as a removable media device? | 01:54 |
| m-c | *anyone here | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why not just use wifi? | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Much faster. | 01:56 |
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| m-c | Well, I guess I am trying to get around the SSH requirements. | 01:58 |
| m-c | Also, I like knowing that when the BT is disconnected, the files are inaccessble. | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | What ssh requirements? | 01:58 |
| m-c | With WiFi, the share is "open" so long as the device is connected to the I-net | 01:58 |
| m-c | I assumed you were meaning SFTP when you said wifi | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's one option, yes. | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | But there are only about a half a million others. | 01:59 |
| m-c | That do not have an SSH requirement? | 02:00 |
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| m-c | Well, anyway, what were you meaning if not SFTP ? | 02:01 |
| glass_ | theres smb port too i think | 02:01 |
| glass_ | or nfs i guess | 02:01 |
| m-c | I guess NFS - would fit that specification. Would nneed to set up an authentication service for it... | 02:02 |
| m-c | Anyway, about that bluetooth file share ... no one has that set up? Windows or Linux? | 02:03 |
| glass_ | if you setup networking through bt(which i think possible) then any protocol would do | 02:03 |
| m-c | I am having trouble setting up a persistent connection - although the NIT sends files to the desktop with no issues. | 02:03 |
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| m-c | I get a "Can't get device information: Success" error when I try to pair it. | 02:04 |
| m-c | The bluetooth utilities on linux are not anything to write home about, either, I guess, so I figured I would ask in here. ;) | 02:05 |
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| ccooke | Anyone use twitter on maemo? Any good client? | 02:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | mitter | 02:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.google.com/search?ie=utf8&oe=utf8&q=twitter+maemo | 02:11 |
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| ccooke | GeneralAntilles: just been trying it... doesn't seem to update, though | 02:17 |
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| ccooke | And I'm now not sure if that's a bug or a connection throttle :-) | 02:18 |
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| Maximander | Anyone here have any experience with Bluetooth serial? If I understand correctly, I need to use `rfcomm bind` right? | 02:24 |
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| sjgadsby | Using RTCOMM for IRC seems to lead to frequent watchdog reboots. | 02:38 |
| GAN800 | rtcomm sucks for IRC | 02:39 |
| GAN800 | xchat is the way to go | 02:39 |
| sjgadsby | I know. You've told me, but its so convenient. | 02:40 |
| GAN800 | 'convenient' :P | 02:40 |
| sjgadsby | I'll stop being lazy and try xchat. | 02:40 |
| sjgadsby | Reboots are inconvenient, after all. | 02:41 |
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| andre___ | file a bug report :) | 02:43 |
| sjgadsby | I will. | 02:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | It is the rtcomm beta, right? | 02:44 |
| sjgadsby | Yes. | 02:45 |
| rm_you | yeah that borked my tablet too | 02:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd definitely recommend the Collabora Telepathy plugins to most people. | 02:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Creepy https://wiki.maemo.org/images/8/8e/Maemo.org_logo_contest_blaxnux1-hand_ok_sign.png | 02:47 |
| * Maximander agrees | 02:48 | |
| andre___ | the more info is in the bug report, the better :) | 02:49 |
| Maximander | where's the kernel .config on os2008? | 02:50 |
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| Maximander | trying to figure out what's built in... | 02:50 |
| GAN800 | 'it's broke. fix it.' | 02:50 |
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| sjgadsby | andre___: That's why I haven't submitted a bug report on it yet. I get frequent reboots, but I haven't found how to trigger one exactly. | 02:52 |
| * Maximander wishes that making /proc/config.gz were enabled on ALL binary distributions | 02:52 | |
| andre___ | sjgadsby, a good way to reproduce is always appreciated, but sometimes it makes sense to file a report and wait for people with "more wisdom" to comment and help how to track down | 02:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 02:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably these days more than it did a year ago. | 02:53 |
| andre___ | definitely :-) | 02:53 |
| andre___ | i currently try to collect knowledge to improve my questions to reporters, but it always takes some time :) | 02:53 |
| andre___ | funny because i currently study the same issue for an exam (management of knowledge and its redundancy) | 02:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 02:57 |
| andre___ | hmm... https://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_blaxnux1-hand_ok_sign.png - i think in some cultures this does not mean "OK" but something very rude ;-) | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Aha, I hadn't thought of that. | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was mostly just creeped out by it. | 02:57 |
| sjgadsby | Now he likes it. | 02:57 |
| andre___ | harhar | 02:58 |
| andre___ | ah, in brazil according to http://www.cracked.com/article_16335_7-innocent-gestures-that-can-get-you-killed-overseas.html | 02:58 |
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| andre___ | (warning: offending language in that link) | 02:58 |
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| andre___ | time to sleep, classes in 7 hours... night | 03:00 |
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| newmaemouser | Is anyone else having problems downloading garnetvm from the website? I've filled out the form but when I click on the link in the e-mail it just redirects me to the main page. | 03:28 |
| rm_you | you *really* need to pick a name :P | 03:29 |
| rm_you | I *still* just see "mouser" | 03:29 |
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| rm_you | ok, that works :P | 03:30 |
| mouser | This will do for now :) | 03:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | sjgadsby, http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugsquad have you hit this yet? | 03:36 |
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| mouser | I'm looking for a download link for garnetvm. I've filled in the form on their site but the I received in the e-mail redirects me to the main page. | 03:49 |
| ds3 | use a desktop browser or w3m (text mode) | 03:53 |
| ds3 | their system is broq for the N800 browser :/ | 03:53 |
| mouser | I did, but had the same thing happen. | 03:54 |
| ds3 | *shrug* w3m worked for me | 03:55 |
| mouser | I'll try w3m | 03:56 |
| mouser | Well, i don't have a linux box to try w3m, but I tryed it in lynx and had the same result. | 04:03 |
| ds3 | *shrug* | 04:06 |
| ds3 | you are allowing cookies right? | 04:06 |
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| mouser | Yeah | 04:07 |
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| lcuk | ttfn \o | 04:27 |
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| skibur | hey, I'm about to upload a video on youtube. what is the best format to upload? | 04:38 |
| skibur | Which is the best compression? | 04:38 |
| Deka | h.264 | 04:38 |
| Toba | theora hurhurhur | 04:39 |
| Deka | It doesn't matter, Youtube will re-encode it to 3gp, mpeg-4 and h.264 formats | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Upload it as 720p h.264 | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just to use up their storage. :P | 04:40 |
| skibur | ok | 04:41 |
| skibur | I have it at as mov right now. its about 17 megs. youtube say that it will take about 1-5 per meg | 04:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Don't bake with your tablet! | 05:07 |
| * GeneralAntilles got flour all over his N800 while measuring and reading the recipe. | 05:08 | |
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| skibur | 63 MB file.mov compressed to avi turn out to be 22 MB. Is there a better compression out there? | 06:11 |
| tank-man | use a lower bitrate | 06:12 |
| skibur | for the audio | 06:12 |
| skibur | right? | 06:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 06:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | For the video | 06:14 |
| skibur | o ok | 06:14 |
| skibur | using ffmpeg | 06:14 |
| skibur | I got it | 06:14 |
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| darkblue_B | simple mplayer Q: can I adjust a running mplayer volume from ash? | 07:19 |
| darkblue_B | (I am assuming mplayer is the media player, and that ash is the ssh shell) | 07:20 |
| darkblue_B | hmm no one home | 07:29 |
| darkblue_B | ok, how about install nmap on an N800? | 07:29 |
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| rm_you | darkblue_B: well | 08:38 |
| rm_you | darkblue_B: if you ran mplayer from ash, yes, volume is / and * | 08:38 |
| rm_you | attaching to it might not be possible though | 08:39 |
| rm_you | if you didnt run it from the console | 08:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, I never reboot my tablet, so I don't notice stuff like this, but did you see this comment? http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/advanced-backlight/ | 08:48 |
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| rm_you | lol at "Not so good: The option to reduce backlight volume on n800's to zero what seems to be bad. there is only a hint not to do that. better would be a device detection routine in the software" | 08:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can't win, can we? :D | 08:50 |
| rm_you | apparently not | 08:50 |
| rm_you | only a hint!? | 08:50 |
| * GeneralAntilles slaps Uwe | 08:50 | |
| rm_you | do i need to put flashing lights on it!? | 08:51 |
| rm_you | it even asks for confirmation! | 08:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | "THIS OPTION WILL FUCK YOUR TABLET" | 08:51 |
| rm_you | >_< | 08:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | "YES/NO" | 08:51 |
| rm_you | LOL | 08:51 |
| rm_you | YES/NO == rofl | 08:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good times with confirmation dialogs. | 08:52 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: do gconf settings not persist across reboots? My understanding was that they are supposed to... | 08:52 |
| rm_you | otherwise gconf is stupid | 08:52 |
| rm_you | and pointless | 08:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | They should | 08:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | It could be a thousand and one things that get in the way there, though. | 08:52 |
| rm_you | >_> | 08:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Heck, maybe the initfs setting the backlight changes things | 08:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | who knows | 08:53 |
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| rm_you | i have my own custom gconf area | 08:53 |
| rm_you | for my app | 08:53 |
| rm_you | on load it pulls those settings | 08:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, I see. | 08:53 |
| rm_you | and defaults to 60%-ish brightness if they fail to load | 08:53 |
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| * GeneralAntilles reboots. | 08:54 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hrm | 08:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mine went from %25 to %100 | 08:56 |
| rm_you | LOL? | 08:56 |
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| jitu3485 | Hi, while building xulrunner as per specified in link http://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/Fennec i am getting this error | 10:03 |
| jitu3485 | undefined reference to `hildon_g_scanner_cache_open' | 10:03 |
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| jitu3485 | can someone help to resolve this | 10:03 |
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| L0cutus | re | 10:25 |
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| hrw | morning | 10:32 |
| JamieBennett | morning | 10:33 |
| hrw | gtk_widget_tap_and_hold_setup is another maemo-ism? | 10:34 |
| inz | hrw, at least it is defined inside #ifdef MAEMO_CHANGES | 10:35 |
| hrw | inz: not in hildon-application-manager ;( | 10:36 |
| AStorm | in gtk | 10:40 |
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| hrw | AStorm: but apps needs #ifdef MAEMO_CHANGES too | 10:43 |
| hrw | hildon-desktop do that | 10:43 |
| AStorm | yes | 10:43 |
| AStorm | they do | 10:43 |
| AStorm | as that define is done by pkg-config gtk | 10:43 |
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| hrw | you mean by 'maemo gtk' | 10:46 |
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| AStorm | gtk with maemo options enabled | 10:46 |
| hrw | libhildon defines MAEMO_CHANGES | 10:46 |
| hrw | not gtk | 10:46 |
| AStorm | hm | 10:46 |
| AStorm | so it's in libhildon, that function? I fail at reading ;P | 10:46 |
| hrw | function is in gtk - but libhildon pkg-config adds -DMAEMO_CHANGES | 10:47 |
| hrw | I do not use maemo gtk | 10:47 |
| inz | Then you'll need to patch h-a-m | 10:49 |
| hrw | I did | 10:50 |
| hrw | libhildon can be built against non-maemo gtk but pass -DMAEMO_CHANGES anyway | 10:50 |
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| macoute_ | i know i can make new users to my nit, but can i change the default user? | 11:23 |
| macoute_ | on irc a (~user@domain.tld) seems a pretty wierd | 11:23 |
| macoute_ | s/wierd/weird | 11:23 |
| inz | It's hardcoded in many places | 11:23 |
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| inz | Install oidentd and make it say something fun ;) | 11:24 |
| macoute_ | inz: ok. so i thought. how about ident | 11:24 |
| macoute_ | ok :) | 11:24 |
| inz | You may have to build it too ;) | 11:24 |
| macoute_ | inz: that maybe an overkill, but hey, i like them :) | 11:24 |
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| RST38h | Nokia just bought Symbian | 11:32 |
| AStorm | omg | 11:32 |
| RST38h | The end of the world is definitely coming to Finland | 11:32 |
| inz | or from? | 11:32 |
| X-Fade | And it is going to opensource it: http://www.symbianfoundation.org/ | 11:32 |
| RST38h | to. | 11:32 |
| RST38h | Gluttony is never good for corporations | 11:33 |
| inz | Well, they didn't buy it yet, they just made an offer. | 11:33 |
| macoute_ | they might opensource it partly, i would say :) | 11:33 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: If it is going to "open source" it the same way it has done with Maemo, nothing is gonna change | 11:33 |
| lbt | RST38h: bollocks :) | 11:34 |
| macoute_ | well 'nothing' is a pretty hard word | 11:34 |
| RST38h | Sony Ericsson executives are probably shitting bricks by now | 11:34 |
| AStorm | harhar | 11:34 |
| macoute_ | but they surely arent going to opensource anything that would reveil their business secters | 11:34 |
| AStorm | the rest will have to go to M$ | 11:34 |
| AStorm | or write their own OSes | 11:35 |
| AStorm | or licence Nokia | 11:35 |
| AStorm | I suspect Nokia *will* make the licence so that the others have to pay | 11:35 |
| lbt | or use the free stuff Nokia have to give away | 11:35 |
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| AStorm | lbt: no, sorry, the licence will forbid ;P | 11:35 |
| lbt | then it won't be opensource will it? | 11:35 |
| AStorm | I suspect it won't be GPL ;P | 11:35 |
| AStorm | it will | 11:35 |
| AStorm | just not GPL | 11:35 |
| AStorm | and not BSD | 11:35 |
| X-Fade | Or you could just read that website ;) | 11:36 |
| X-Fade | Duh.. | 11:36 |
| lbt | I repeat: then it won't be opensource will it? | 11:36 |
| AStorm | no, it will | 11:36 |
| macoute_ | why gpl'ing it would make it impossible to get a fee from it? | 11:36 |
| AStorm | you'll have the code | 11:36 |
| lbt | Eclipse Public License | 11:36 |
| macoute_ | iirc mysql is making profit with gpl'd software ;) | 11:36 |
| AStorm | you will be required to post all changes for example | 11:36 |
| AStorm | :) | 11:36 |
| hrw | maemo autobuilder == scratchbox? | 11:37 |
| macoute_ | there could be some libraries (concerning hardware id suppose) that would be closed and they would require the license | 11:37 |
| AStorm | haha | 11:37 |
| AStorm | The foundation is expected to start operating during the first half of 2009. Membership of the foundation will be open to | 11:37 |
| AStorm | all organizations, for a low annual membership fee of US $1,500. | 11:37 |
| AStorm | low fee indeed | 11:37 |
| X-Fade | hrw: It uses scratchbox. But the builder itself is sbdmock. | 11:37 |
| AStorm | macoute_: mysql isn't gpl anymore | 11:38 |
| hrw | when I look at maemo extras sources I wanna scream | 11:38 |
| AStorm | mysql-community is | 11:38 |
| AStorm | and it's missing most of the query optimizer | 11:38 |
| hrw | # Autodetect platform | 11:38 |
| hrw | if $PKG_CONFIG --exists libosso && readlink /etc|grep -q ^/targets; then DETECTED_PLATFORM=maemo | 11:38 |
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| hrw | for example | 11:38 |
| Addison | Greetings all! | 11:38 |
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| lardman | morning | 11:39 |
| Addison | Hey lard, how are ya? | 11:39 |
| infobot | Addison: eh, ok | 11:39 |
| hrw | hi lardman | 11:39 |
| X-Fade | hrw: That means that the developer needs to be explained how to make a proper package ;) | 11:39 |
| lardman | hi hrw | 11:39 |
| Addison | Pop quiz. | 11:39 |
| lardman | hi Addison | 11:39 |
| Addison | Anyone smart enough to handle a big challenge needs to step up right now. :) | 11:40 |
| RST38h | AStorm: I am pretty sure they will not "open source" in the normal sense of this word | 11:40 |
| AStorm | it will I guess | 11:40 |
| AStorm | for non-profit purposes | 11:40 |
| RST38h | There is too much know-how in Symbian | 11:40 |
| Addison | I'm looking for anyone that can answer a post I made. | 11:40 |
| Addison | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20979 | 11:40 |
| Addison | I've asked everywhere on this, no one can seem to help me though. | 11:41 |
| RST38h | Addison: The answer is no | 11:41 |
| Addison | I need someone with a big brain. | 11:41 |
| RST38h | The answer is independent on the brain size. | 11:41 |
| Addison | That's a big fat "no" RST? | 11:42 |
| lardman | Addison: Press the full screen button | 11:42 |
| RST38h | That is a flat "no" | 11:42 |
| Addison | Nuts. And I was in such a good mood. :) | 11:42 |
| RST38h | Based on the way Hildon apps work. | 11:42 |
| RST38h | You can probably compile regular xterm though | 11:42 |
| Addison | Can putty or Qwerty's new Roxbox (sp?) be able to change the environment before using Telnet? | 11:43 |
| lbt | Addison: have you tried things like : COLUMNS=76 | 11:43 |
| Addison | Guys, is this really that big of a request? | 11:44 |
| lardman | Addison: Stop talking, please | 11:44 |
| lardman | Addison: People can read, if they don't answer it generally means they don't have an answer | 11:44 |
| macoute_ | AStorm: the fee is kinda small if you think of the members (samsung electronics, ericsson etc) | 11:44 |
| Addison | Yes jbt, I've tried COLUMNS, columns, COLS, cols, and maybe a few other tries. I even tried to export them just before going into Telnet. | 11:44 |
| macoute_ | of course for individual developers its kinda huge | 11:45 |
| lardman | Does xterm override any env var settings then? | 11:45 |
| Addison | Sorry lard, I thought the reason for the dim flicker of a response was because someone was too ashamed on how ginormous their brain had become. :) | 11:46 |
| lbt | have you tried #nethack ? | 11:46 |
| Addison | Sorry jbt, what do you mean? I'm a real retarded gorilla when it comes to knowing linux, maemo, and other junk. | 11:47 |
| RST38h | Addison, you asked a question and got your answer | 11:47 |
| RST38h | Have you got another question? If so, ask. | 11:47 |
| Addison | Oh, do you mean have I stopped by there with my question? Yeah, I chatted with #Nethack for about two hours today. Didn't get any real help from them though. | 11:48 |
| lardman | Addison: I'd tweak the source of xterm to do as you want | 11:48 |
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| Addison | Sorry RST, I'm not trying to stomp around, this is the only thing I'm hoping for today. | 11:49 |
| Addison | Hopefully this isn't creating any type of unnecessary weirdness here. | 11:49 |
| Addison | :) | 11:49 |
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| lardman | Addison: You might get more suggestions from a post to the mailing list, explain why you're doing this, explain what you've already tried, etc. | 11:50 |
| lardman | Addison: then people can have a think about it with no time presure | 11:51 |
| lardman | s/presure/pressure | 11:51 |
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| Addison | Well, what about my wide font idea? I've already tried it out and it works. I just need to find that miracle font that is exactly 76x24 in the Xterminal while being in full screen mode. | 11:51 |
| RST38h | Addison <-- is trying to microwave an egg, if you know what I mean | 11:51 |
| lardman | I don't know, assuming no-one else has answered, they presumably don't know (or are busy), the ml will get you slower but greater exposure | 11:52 |
| Addison | I've tried to microwave one once. It blew the fricking door off. :D | 11:52 |
| Addison | What's an ml, lardman? | 11:53 |
| RST38h | Addison: have you tried doing it again though? | 11:53 |
| lardman | Addison: mailing list | 11:53 |
| RST38h | Just in case the next time it will not blow the door off | 11:53 |
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| Addison | You mean microwaving an egg? No way, first time was horror enough. :) | 11:53 |
| RST38h | Addison: Anyway, look at the stty utility | 11:53 |
| RST38h | It allows you to set rows/columns for a terminal, given that your terminal is large enough to fit 'em | 11:54 |
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| lbt | telnet does the window size negotiation - hack that | 11:54 |
| Addison | Can you give me a download on that RST? | 11:54 |
| RST38h | Addison: No. | 11:54 |
| Addison | Nuts. | 11:54 |
| Addison | Well, can Putty do this? I mean, be able to change the COLUMNS size? | 11:55 |
| hrw | Addison: it can | 11:55 |
| Addison | Sweet! Thanks hrw! I'm going to go pick that up right now. | 11:55 |
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| Addison | I've got it. | 11:56 |
| wiza | anyone knows how is a2dp support w/ sbc coming along? | 11:56 |
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| Addison | Give me a few minutes to see if it works this way. | 11:56 |
| X-Fade | wiza: Ask lardman ;) | 11:57 |
| timeless | i guess opensymbian is fallout from android | 11:58 |
| RST38h | yes, lardman, how is it coming along? =) | 11:58 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Preemptive strike perhaps? | 11:58 |
| RST38h | timeless: Funny, just yesterday WSJ had a gloomy article about Android being a clusterfuck | 11:58 |
| timeless | url? | 11:59 |
| macoute_ | j webdev | 11:59 |
| macoute_ | heh :) | 11:59 |
| timeless | x-fade: not very preemptive... | 11:59 |
| timeless | there's a 2 year lead before they're open | 11:59 |
| timeless | which is iirc about as long as it took sun to open java | 11:59 |
| RST38h | timeless: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121418837707895947.html | 11:59 |
| timeless | thx | 11:59 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Well glacial preemptive ;) | 11:59 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: I find it more likely that Nokia felt slowed down by Symbian guys so it decided to just buy the whole thing | 12:00 |
| macoute_ | timeless: you knew something about firefox, so ill ask you too. would you know of a service (browser plugin/software/web site) which would check which extensions (java/flash/js/activex/etc) a website needs? | 12:00 |
| * aquatix welcomes opensymbian | 12:00 | |
| timeless | aquatix: new overlords? | 12:00 |
| Addison | Okay hrw. Do I choose "PuTTY Terminal Emulator" or "PuTTY SSH Client"? | 12:00 |
| aquatix | not necessary | 12:00 |
| aquatix | but it makes me a tad happy | 12:00 |
| wiza | X-Fade: ok :) | 12:00 |
| timeless | macoute: oddly, no | 12:00 |
| aquatix | more willing to hack :) | 12:00 |
| timeless | i've been meaning to try to coordinate w/ some group to make a database that lists stuff like that | 12:01 |
| macoute_ | timeless: damn. our companys website, made by an ad company doesnt work on all comps and i cant figure out why.. | 12:01 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Given that Symbian is a bunch of ticks fattened on license fees, it is very likely | 12:01 |
| timeless | macoute: url? | 12:01 |
| macoute_ | timeless: www.salesenergy.fi (flash is one, thats for sure ;)) | 12:01 |
| Addison | hrw? Don't leave me hanging! :) | 12:02 |
| * timeless sighs and goes to enable plugins | 12:02 | |
| macoute_ | on some comps it just keeps on loading the website with our logo | 12:02 |
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| timeless | does it speak english anywhere? | 12:02 |
| hrw | Addison: ? I always download putty.exe | 12:03 |
| macoute_ | timeless: not yet :( | 12:03 |
| timeless | btw, tell them not to show < > arrows in small views if they aren't clickable | 12:03 |
| timeless | (there's black box w/ orange text that cycles around, and it ignores clicks on the arrows until you click the black box) | 12:03 |
| macoute_ | timeless: ah, thats true | 12:03 |
| macoute_ | im not so happy with the new website :S | 12:04 |
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| aquatix | hrw: or putty tray, even nicer | 12:04 |
| timeless | i bet it was made by finns ;-) | 12:04 |
| hrw | aquatix: if I download putty it means that I will use that box for short time and with putty + firefox only | 12:04 |
| timeless | find your sales team, give them an e61i and an n810 (w/ flash disabled for both) w/ the web site loaded | 12:04 |
| macoute_ | timeless: yeah :) | 12:04 |
| timeless | tell them this is how the world sees their site | 12:04 |
| lardman | wiza et al. re sbc, it runs but too slowly | 12:05 |
| aquatix | hrw: true | 12:05 |
| * aquatix is forced to use windows at work, so is using firefox and a maximised putty tray | 12:05 | |
| inz | macoute, or find the sales team, a sauna and a 9mm | 12:05 |
| timeless | hrm, not to be sexist, but what's a black guy doing in a finnish video? | 12:05 |
| lardman | when I have a few spare minutes I'll sit down and try re-writing the inner fn to be DSP-optimisable | 12:05 |
| macoute_ | inz: that would be the best move | 12:05 |
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| * timeless thought everyone in finnland was female :) | 12:05 | |
| aquatix | timeless: lol | 12:06 |
| macoute_ | timeless: dont know :) maybe some quota-black male? :) | 12:06 |
| macoute_ | timeless: hes some kind of a celebrity here (i think) | 12:06 |
| hrw | http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html does not have 'putty tray' or I do not see it | 12:06 |
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| wiza | lardman: well I'm currently running a2dp and it eats battery way too fast =) | 12:06 |
| macoute_ | hrw: its a third party addon, i believe | 12:06 |
| aquatix | hrw: http://www.xs4all.nl/~whaa/putty/ | 12:06 |
| macoute_ | try foofle | 12:06 |
| timeless | macoute: btw, be sure to silence the audio on your devices | 12:06 |
| timeless | explain to them that captioning is really appreciated | 12:07 |
| aquatix | hrw: it's a set of patches i think | 12:07 |
| timeless | although, i'd prefer something where i could copy the text and paste it into a translator | 12:07 |
| timeless | because i still wouldn't have a clue what they're saying :) | 12:07 |
| macoute_ | timeless: we are actually getting at least swedish/english subtitles | 12:07 |
| macoute_ | and as we are selling mainly b2b, id say a website with sound is a no-no | 12:08 |
| timeless | heh | 12:08 |
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| lardman | wiza: The current decoder speed is as follows: 29s au file, ARM-only =~3s; DSP-decoding =~20s | 12:08 |
| timeless | my laptop is muted, so i have on idea what the site is actually doing | 12:08 |
| macoute_ | i dont prefer enabling my sounds to everyone in our office when watching youtube.com :) | 12:08 |
| timeless | the sad thing is that this site really really doesn't need flash | 12:09 |
| lardman | wiza: So needs some tweaking; I'm also a bit concerned that the disparity is so large - worried I've mis-timed it or something (bit hard just timing the data transfers without the encoding as the code gets stuck in a loop) | 12:09 |
| timeless | web1.0 would have worked | 12:09 |
| macoute_ | timeless: thats so true | 12:09 |
| macoute_ | but hey, isnt flash sexy? :S | 12:09 |
| * aquatix doesn't even have flash here | 12:09 | |
| * timeless wants to castrate all the finnish "web" designers | 12:09 | |
| macoute_ | ask some AD and he will praise Flash on his mac os | 12:09 |
| aquatix | refuses to install in my custom firefox dir | 12:09 |
| aquatix | timeless: :) | 12:09 |
| aquatix | flash is overrated | 12:10 |
| wiza | lardman: ok :) is it supposed to work so that dsp decodes mp3 etc and then arm encodes the data that will be sent to headset? | 12:10 |
| * timeless turns off plugins | 12:10 | |
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| lardman | wiza: unfortunately not until I (or someone else) writes an mp3 decoder that doens't include a sink | 12:11 |
| konttori | Hello all! | 12:11 |
| lardman | wiza: atm libmad on ARM needs to be used to do the mp3 decode; with OpenMAX (which is the way Nokia are going, in the future), this shouldn't be a problem | 12:12 |
| wiza | lardman: so will dsp be used to encode data to a2dp or how is the path going from mp3 file to headset? :D | 12:13 |
| lardman | wiza: mp3 file -> libmad (ARM) -> PCM -> sbc encoder (DSP) -> output (ARM) | 12:14 |
| wiza | lardman: ok | 12:15 |
| hrw | lardman: I wonder how good would be floating point mpeg audio decoder on armv6-vfp | 12:15 |
| lardman | hrw: ssvb has been optimising ffmpeg to do vorbis (better than Tremor) | 12:15 |
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| hrw | ~curse maemo for keeping binaries in /usr/share/ | 12:15 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, maemo for keeping binaries in /usr/share/ ! | 12:15 |
| Addison | Okay hrw. I've got Putty installed. What do I choose for the "adjust window border, Gap between text and window edge"? | 12:16 |
| Addison | http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/1093/51753309ix7.png | 12:16 |
| hrw | lardman: nice | 12:16 |
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| hrw | Addison: last time I used putty few months ago - all my boxes are linux | 12:16 |
| lardman | hrw: So probably pretty good if the code is optimised for fp, rather than a reference encoder (like libvorbis, which is what we base our opinions of fixed vs fp on) | 12:16 |
| RST38h | lardman: Don't you suspect that 20s DSP decoding time may be result of DSP somehow throttling itself? | 12:17 |
| aquatix | Addison: whuh, you're using putty on your tablet? | 12:17 |
| RST38h | lardman: After all, it probably knows that it has to deliver 29sec of audio | 12:17 |
| Addison | Well, is the gap in pixels or in character length? I'm a real dip turd trying to figure this one out. | 12:17 |
| * aquatix just uses ssh from the maemo terminal | 12:17 | |
| lardman | Addison: it will probably be in characters | 12:18 |
| lcuk | Addison, just test it | 12:18 |
| hrw | Addison: I configured putty years ago | 12:18 |
| lardman | Addison: In the connection dialog go to Window, then set the Columns & Rows? | 12:19 |
| lardman | s/connection/configuration | 12:19 |
| rm_you | lardman: a2dp DSP still not working fast enough? | 12:20 |
| lardman | RST38h: I was wondering, but when I did a quick test of DSP transfer speed (minus decoding) that took ~3.5s | 12:20 |
| RST38h | hmm | 12:20 |
| RST38h | lardman: but this does nto indicate it is not throttling | 12:20 |
| lardman | RST38h: but it's hard to time, as without doing the decoding, the code never finishes, and it just hangs at the end before it's killed | 12:20 |
| lcuk | lardman, the dsp speed is coupled with the arm cpufreq isnt it -> if you are running on "ondemand" then is it possible the dsp is clocking back down (like i found with the cpu) | 12:21 |
| RST38h | lardman: the thing is, it does not have to be fast, just has to be fast ENOUGH | 12:21 |
| lardman | lcuk: I don't think the DSP does variable clock speed, anyone from Nokia know for sure? | 12:21 |
| lardman | RST38h: yes indeed, it's not atm :) | 12:21 |
| RST38h | lardman: Have you checked the battery life with dsp stuff continuously running? =) | 12:21 |
| lcuk | i thought they were all in some sort of little dance together | 12:21 |
| lcuk | might be worth switching between powersave/ondemand/performance to at least see.. | 12:22 |
| RST38h | Well, judging from my previous experience with ARM-derived chips, there should be several frequency controls in the OMAP chip | 12:22 |
| rm_you | lardman: I will do lots of testing, is there an easy-ish way to get your stuff installed? | 12:22 |
| RST38h | Probably one to control the master clock and separate controls for the ARM core, DSP, SDRAM bus, flash/io bus, etc | 12:22 |
| lardman | RST38h: no, I've not checked the battery life | 12:23 |
| lardman | RST38h: I'd be interested to know though | 12:23 |
| lardman | rm_you: Let me know what you want to test and I'll give you the code | 12:23 |
| RST38h | I mean, speed is less important than battery life | 12:23 |
| lardman | RST38h: going back to throttling, not my code is not throttling, it's passing the data through as fast as possible; something else might be (in the DSP kernel), but I can't see why | 12:24 |
| Addison | So this is what I'm looking at. I can't seem to view anything. How can I confirm this is the setting for the windows option thingie? | 12:24 |
| rm_you | lardman: the code is available on garage, isn't it? | 12:24 |
| Addison | http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/3089/80768600nj7.png | 12:24 |
| lardman | RST38h: yes and no, for some people, being able to reduce ARM load will be worthwhile too | 12:24 |
| lardman | rm_you: yes, but not the latest DSP binary | 12:24 |
| rm_you | I just have no idea how to install DSP code, and especially no idea how to get it to interface with any of the bluez stuff | 12:24 |
| lcuk | lardman, if you wanna try do variations on echo ondemand >/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor | 12:24 |
| lardman | rm_you: and in fact I probably need to push my latest changes too | 12:25 |
| lardman | lcuk: I will do that, atm it's ondemand | 12:25 |
| lardman | rm_you: I can tell you | 12:25 |
| rm_you | k | 12:25 |
| lardman | Can we move this to the ml, I've got a meeting to go to now | 12:25 |
| lcuk | :) wondered if you ever did any work :P | 12:25 |
| lardman | or a seperate channel, so I don't lose the history | 12:26 |
| rm_you | lol | 12:26 |
| lardman | lcuk: :p | 12:26 |
| lardman | or just remember and I'll chat to you all later on | 12:26 |
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| rm_you | #sbc-enc ? | 12:26 |
| lcuk | hes gone, lardman must be typing whilst actually running out of the office | 12:27 |
| rm_you | lol | 12:27 |
| lcuk | he actually does a vault over his desk pressing enter as he goes | 12:27 |
| rm_you | well, I guess I'll go back to battling this stupid bug more | 12:27 |
| lcuk | his door has a microswitch which activates the _afk nick | 12:27 |
| Addison | Okay. I'm stuck on this menu. I can't click on "Open" since it doesn't do anything. Looking for a suggestion on what to do next. | 12:28 |
| Addison | http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/3089/80768600nj7.png | 12:28 |
| rm_you | why are you using putty again? :P | 12:28 |
| Addison | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=194754&postcount=5 | 12:29 |
| lcuk | addison, ive never tried putty in maemo, would it be an idea to get it on your big system and confirm all the values match? | 12:29 |
| Addison | Sorry, it's a long, boring, and winded post of gibberish. It's hard for me to ask what I'm asking for. If that makes any sense. :) | 12:30 |
| rm_you | hrm | 12:30 |
| Addison | I need to go for a quick beer run. Be back in about 5 minutes. | 12:31 |
| aquatix | Addison: why aren't you just using openssh? | 12:35 |
| aquatix | seems a lot easier and more native than putty | 12:35 |
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| Addison | I don't even know what openssh is? Is that kind of like Telnet? | 12:37 |
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| rm_you | ssh | 12:37 |
| rm_you | Secure SHell | 12:37 |
| macoute_ | Secure aS Hell ? :) | 12:38 |
| rm_you | you can just open the X Terminal | 12:38 |
| Addison | All I'm looking for is to Telnet and have the screen not place text underneath the Xkbd keyboard that's on the screen. Hopefully that makes sense to someone here. | 12:38 |
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| rm_you | and type "ssh 1.2.3.4" | 12:38 |
| rm_you | yeah i saw that... looking. | 12:38 |
| Addison | Okay. | 12:38 |
| rm_you | trying to figure out how you can fool SSH into thinking it is a different size | 12:39 |
| Addison | Yep! | 12:39 |
| rm_you | it is actually a function of the remote shell, probably | 12:39 |
| Addison | That's it in a nutshell. | 12:39 |
| Addison | How hard can this be? I feel like a retarded gorilla on this. | 12:40 |
| Mikho | would somebody know which package contains the ui-window_open.wav file? | 12:40 |
| Mikho | for some reason that file is present only in my ARMEL target | 12:41 |
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| * lcuk gives Addison a banana ;) | 12:41 | |
| trickie|work | wow, go nokia... an open symbian? | 12:41 |
| Addison | Why not another beer lcuk? I could use one right about now. :) | 12:42 |
| rm_you | osso-sounds-ui | 12:42 |
| Addison | Oh, wait. I do have one. Be back in about a minute guys. | 12:42 |
| rm_you | Mikho: ^^ | 12:42 |
| lcuk | sounds like a plan for you addison, but a bit early in the day for me | 12:42 |
| rm_you | all we have in the fridge here is piss beer >_< | 12:43 |
| Addison | It's 5:42 in the am for me here. Nothing but to do but to abuse my drinking privileges. :) | 12:43 |
| rm_you | bunch of miller lite | 12:43 |
| rm_you | and coors >_> | 12:43 |
| rm_you | I want a good pint of Guinness | 12:43 |
| crashanddie | oh djeezus shut up | 12:44 |
| Addison | By the way, did I already mention that I'm hazing in and out of consciousness right now? I really could use a quick answer before I pass out in a tepid pool of my own filth. :) | 12:44 |
| rm_you | Mikho: you get that? | 12:44 |
| Addison | Anyone got a link for this Openssh thingie? | 12:45 |
| lcuk | addison, your request for a specific font would be difficult, 10pixel wide is 760pixel, 11 is 836 - its not possible to get an exact fit (at least not at fullscreen | 12:45 |
| rm_you | Addison: it's already on the tablet | 12:45 |
| Mikho | hmm, already the newest version | 12:45 |
| rm_you | just open X Terminal and type "ssh 1.2.3.4" | 12:45 |
| Addison | Okay rm. Doing that right now. Pretty soon though, I'll be typing with my feet. Just a heads up. :) | 12:46 |
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| aquatix | Addison: you're using... telnet?! | 12:47 |
| aquatix | ok, just do what rm_you says ;) | 12:47 |
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| Addison | Okay, I give up. I typed "ssh 1.2.3.4" but it didn't do squadoosh. I just got the next line without a "$" symbol. | 12:48 |
| rm_you | well, not EXACTLY... unless you just happened to be the fourth IP on the 1.2.3 subnet :P | 12:48 |
| rm_you | lol | 12:48 |
| rm_you | beat me by a few seconds | 12:48 |
| Addison | I don't have ssh. Well, at least I don't think so. | 12:49 |
| rm_you | >_> | 12:49 |
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| Addison | Who's drinking around here. Anyone want to play a game to get us both wasted? :) | 12:50 |
| lcuk | addison, some sort of shell script or do you need binary? | 12:51 |
| Addison | Hey lcuk, I've basically have a fresh OS 2008 clean flash. I'm not sure what you're asking. | 12:52 |
| lcuk | drink more, it will become clear | 12:52 |
| Addison | I am. It's not working. :( | 12:52 |
| lcuk | anyway, back later wrok calling | 12:52 |
| Addison | Okay lcuk. Hope you can earn your money. :) | 12:52 |
| kuriiri_ | drink more, your eyes are moving! | 12:53 |
| Addison | What does it mean when you're hazing in and out of consciousness? Does that mean I'm not drinking fast enough? | 12:53 |
| Mikho | rm_you, reinstalling osso-sounds-ui did not fix the problem | 12:53 |
| rm_you | Mikho: :( well, that's the package it belongs to | 12:54 |
| Mikho | maybe I'll just copy the file | 12:54 |
| rm_you | good idea | 12:54 |
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| rm_you | Nokia-N800-51-3:~# dpkg -S /usr/share/sounds/ui-window_open.wav | 12:54 |
| rm_you | osso-sounds-ui: /usr/share/sounds/ui-window_open.wav | 12:54 |
| Addison | Hey, can someone give me the link to Openssh? | 12:55 |
| Mikho | oh, it was present only in my *gregale* ARMEL target | 12:55 |
| RST38h | The UK's streets are today a safer place for kiddies and decorated war veterans after public and police hostility forced a Gloucestershire bus-spotter to give up his lifelong hobby of snapping interesting examples of road-based public transport, | 12:55 |
| aquatix | Addison: you might want to install openssh in the application manager | 12:55 |
| Addison | Okay aquatix. Thank you. | 12:55 |
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| rm_you | Addison: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/raw/OS2008/openssh/?get_installfile | 12:56 |
| aquatix | Addison: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/openssh-client/ | 12:56 |
| aquatix | just search on maemo.org ;) | 12:56 |
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| Addison | Oh crap. There's not a .deb file? | 12:57 |
| aquatix | just click the darn Install link :P | 12:58 |
| aquatix | that will install the .deb | 12:58 |
| lcuk | i gotta get me one of these: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/06/23/knight_rider_satnav/ | 12:58 |
| Addison | I'm on a computer right now. I need to email myself the link if that makes any sense. | 12:58 |
| aquatix | Addison: that's a possibility | 12:59 |
| aquatix | if you want the .deb, save the file behind that Install lini | 12:59 |
| aquatix | *link | 12:59 |
| aquatix | open it [text file] and look at the url in there | 12:59 |
| aquatix | hm, not the easiest way ;/ | 13:00 |
| aquatix | * :/ | 13:00 |
| aquatix | just mail yourself the link and ignore me ;) | 13:00 |
| Addison | Okay aquatix. You're officially ignored. See you in the next life. :) | 13:00 |
| aquatix | lcuk: that's kinda awesome | 13:01 |
| rm_you | lol | 13:01 |
| aquatix | Addison: :P | 13:01 |
| Addison | Okay. I just hit the link. Should I open or save the install thingie? | 13:02 |
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| Addison | All right. I'm looking at "Update application?" "openssh-client1:$:&p1-12.maemo1 | 13:05 |
| Addison | Am I doing good so far? | 13:05 |
| aquatix | i guess you hit the link while browsing with your tablet? | 13:07 |
| Addison | Well, I've got "openssh-client successfully updated", but guess what? I give up. What did that exactly do for me? | 13:07 |
| rm_you | err i guess thats right | 13:07 |
| aquatix | yeah, you're done now | 13:07 |
| aquatix | just open a Terminal on your tablet | 13:07 |
| Addison | Okay. | 13:07 |
| aquatix | and try that `ssh <ip address or hostname>' again | 13:07 |
| aquatix | ah | 13:08 |
| aquatix | you might want to do `ssh youruser@hostname' | 13:08 |
| aquatix | as the default user of the tablet is `user', which it tries to log in with then | 13:08 |
| * aquatix wonders whether he is still making sense | 13:08 | |
| macoute_ | the flash on maemo is 9, right? | 13:08 |
| Addison | Am I typing this? "ssh 1.2.3.4" | 13:09 |
| aquatix | Addison: where 1.2.3.4 is the ip address of the machine you want to connect to | 13:09 |
| Addison | Okay. | 13:09 |
| aquatix | it might also be "ssh addison@machine.com" | 13:09 |
| Addison | Damn I'm about dumb. :( | 13:09 |
| macoute_ | and if on linux, you propably want to add user before the address as stated (user@1.2.3.4) | 13:10 |
| aquatix | yeah, what i said ;) | 13:10 |
| * aquatix wanders off for some lunch | 13:10 | |
| macoute_ | yeah, what you said :) | 13:11 |
| aquatix | ;) | 13:11 |
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| Addison | Okay, I'm looking at this right now. | 13:13 |
| Addison | http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5385/61997636zn9.png | 13:13 |
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| Addison | All I want is a Terminal with 76x24 character width. Please someone tell me how easy this should be. :) | 13:14 |
| Addison | Sorry, I need to pee and throw up right now. I'll be back in 4 minutes. :) | 13:15 |
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| lbt | login to an xterm, type: stty cols 76; telnet .... | 13:18 |
| Addison | Okay lbt, I'll try that right now. | 13:20 |
| robsta | hi | 13:21 |
| robsta | how can i make canola2 (or the built in audio player) find the music i load via USB? | 13:21 |
| timeless | so, has anyone noticed anything strange on *.maemo.org or *nokia* w/in the past half hour? | 13:22 |
| rm_you | timeless: not here <_< | 13:22 |
| rm_you | just been on wiki and garage | 13:22 |
| luogni | timeless: diablo has been released? :) (downloading it..) | 13:23 |
| timeless | luogni: yeah, so um. where did you find that?! | 13:23 |
| rm_you | timeless: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/gbounty/index.php?type=group&group_id=564&pluginname=gbounty | 13:23 |
| rm_you | :P | 13:23 |
| luogni | timeless: maemo ml and itt :) | 13:23 |
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| rm_you | ah yeah | 13:23 |
| rm_you | top article on ITT | 13:24 |
| X-Fade | Diablo was uploaded around 12 Helsinki time ;) | 13:24 |
| rm_you | yeah quim says they're about to announce? | 13:24 |
| _berto_ | diablo released ? | 13:24 |
| *** timeless changes topic to "Diablo Released | http://maemo.org | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook | //www.archive.org/details/QuimGil-MaemoLinuxtag2008Update | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | https://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_logo_contest" | 13:24 | |
| rm_you | yep | 13:24 |
| X-Fade | Yep | 13:24 |
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| timeless | hrm, that didn't work | 13:24 |
| *** timeless changes topic to "Diablo Released | http://maemo.org | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook | http://www.archive.org/details/QuimGil-MaemoLinuxtag2008Update | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | https://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_logo_contest" | 13:25 | |
| rm_you | woo | 13:25 |
| rm_you | time to reflash | 13:25 |
| _berto_ | where's the download page ? | 13:25 |
| borism | hehe | 13:25 |
| timeless | um, you shouldn't need to | 13:25 |
| X-Fade | _berto_: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php?f=RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 13:25 |
| timeless | berto: very good question, i can't find it from maemo.org | 13:25 |
| _berto_ | thx | 13:25 |
| X-Fade | For N810. | 13:25 |
| rm_you | timeless: oh? | 13:25 |
| rm_you | yeah i cant find it either :P | 13:25 |
| timeless | x-fade: would someone please fix the web site? | 13:25 |
| timeless | i shouldn't have to read some lame mailing list or forums to get news like this | 13:25 |
| X-Fade | timeless: The announcement will be posted sone. | 13:26 |
| X-Fade | soon. | 13:26 |
| timeless | ... | 13:26 |
| timeless | this is not how you do business | 13:26 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Separate teams ;) | 13:26 |
| timeless | um | 13:26 |
| timeless | you're supposed to block until that other team is ready | 13:26 |
| konttori | hey, great. Finally out then, eh? Cool. | 13:26 |
| timeless | they had a month to get this item ready | 13:26 |
| timeless | anyway, i'm going to lunch, and then i'll go back to the browser release notes | 13:26 |
| timeless | which will be a few weeks late | 13:27 |
| timeless | i was expecting diablo wouldn't ship this quarter | 13:27 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Go tell that to your boss ;) | 13:27 |
| timeless | my boss? | 13:27 |
| rm_you | lol yeah didnt expect diablo for like... 3+ months | 13:27 |
| macoute_ | me neither | 13:27 |
| X-Fade | timeless: It certainly doesn't help to do that here.. | 13:27 |
| hrw | RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin 129103249 bytes | 13:27 |
| rm_you | ah theres the announce on maemo | 13:28 |
| luogni | is there a flasher for linux ppc ? | 13:28 |
| lbt | rm_you: where? | 13:28 |
| X-Fade | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008_feature_upgrade-reflash_your_tablet-for_the_last_time.html | 13:28 |
| rm_you | bleh lots of reinstalling to do | 13:29 |
| macoute_ | and where is my usb-cable when i need it? :) | 13:29 |
| rm_you | gonna set up root on SD finally | 13:29 |
| hrw | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1/free/ is populated too | 13:29 |
| rm_you | lbt: top link | 13:29 |
| lbt | ah, not on front page yet... | 13:29 |
| rm_you | wow and NOW maemo.org is all slow | 13:29 |
| rm_you | lbt: was for me | 13:30 |
| rm_you | oh | 13:30 |
| rm_you | well, the link was | 13:30 |
| rm_you | :P under announcements | 13:30 |
| lbt | indeed - the front page has the logo as the top summary link | 13:30 |
| timeless | hrm, i should start indexing i guess | 13:31 |
| timeless | are the sources in the repo? | 13:31 |
| hrw | timeless: they are | 13:31 |
| rm_you | are the sources for the display applet in the repo? :P | 13:31 |
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| hrw | libgps* and liblocation still closed | 13:32 |
| Addison | That didn't work lbt. I actually got a 97x29 window. That's a first time getting a number like that. | 13:34 |
| * timeless grins | 13:34 | |
| timeless | i'm still not done compressing version 4.0, but i have 53gb of free space already | 13:34 |
| Addison | Well, I think it's about time I rested my gentle head right about now. | 13:35 |
| Addison | I need some serious explaining to do with my wife tomorrow at the crack of 4 pm on why I slept in so late. | 13:36 |
| Addison | :) | 13:36 |
| Addison | I'll come back again. Thanks to everyone on their attempt to help me out. | 13:36 |
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| RST38h | Ufff... | 13:41 |
| RST38h | DIABLO IS OUT?!?!?!? | 13:42 |
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| rm_you | yep :P | 13:42 |
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| rm_you | anyone have a link to a decent root-on-sd tutorial? | 13:42 |
| t_s_o | looks like it, just spotted the thread over on itt ;) | 13:42 |
| * RST38h is seriously considering quitting work for today and catching a car home | 13:42 | |
| rm_you | I want to put diablo on my SD | 13:42 |
| wiza | cool | 13:42 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Sure, for little under 2 hours now. | 13:43 |
| * RST38h is dripping saliva all over the channel | 13:43 | |
| wiza | is there any documentation like "what's new" | 13:43 |
| macoute_ | im lookin for release notes too | 13:43 |
| RST38h | is there a change list? | 13:43 |
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| wiza | and where is it? =) | 13:44 |
| rm_you | release notes would be nice | 13:44 |
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| andre___ | release? whou. | 13:45 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: where are you>_< | 13:45 |
| rm_you | johnx: you too | 13:45 |
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| macoute_ | someone else was correcting wikipedia at the same time than me :) | 13:46 |
| t_s_o | time to do one last backup then and dust of the flasher bin | 13:46 |
| RST38h | rm_you: he is reflashing! =) | 13:47 |
| rm_you | lol | 13:47 |
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| rm_you | so, any good tutorials for Root on SD? | 13:47 |
| rm_you | there isnt one on the new wiki, and the one on the old wiki is VERY outdated | 13:48 |
| rm_you | and confusing >_> | 13:48 |
| macoute_ | internettablettalk contains three tutorials iirc | 13:48 |
| macoute_ | none of them are hard | 13:48 |
| rm_you | google brings up nothing useful, for once >_> | 13:49 |
| macoute_ | google: simplified howto sd clone maemo | 13:49 |
| rm_you | yeah i found it on itt | 13:50 |
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| rm_you | ah so i dont install it to SD | 13:50 |
| rm_you | i need to flash first | 13:50 |
| rm_you | then I can clone | 13:50 |
| macoute_ | yeah | 13:51 |
| lcuk | http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/23/2036222 what a great article :) | 13:51 |
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| macoute_ | damn intel ad there | 13:52 |
| macoute_ | "Worried about server downtime?" i pressed "NO" intel ad: "sure about that? - solution new server blaablaa" :) | 13:53 |
| rm_you | lcuk: getting into the Open Source mood? :P | 13:53 |
| lcuk | ive been trying to for a while :P | 13:54 |
| RST38h | "existential self-questioning" is a good one | 13:54 |
| * lcuk knows priorities will change as soon as released | 13:54 | |
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| rm_you | lcuk: did you read The Cathedral and the Bazaar yet? :P | 13:58 |
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| lcuk | yes rm i did, and im the bishop | 14:00 |
| RST38h | heheh | 14:01 |
| lcuk | incidentally, diablo has been released | 14:01 |
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| lcuk | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008_feature_upgrade-reflash_your_tablet-for_the_last_time.html | 14:01 |
| rm_you | lcuk: yes :P | 14:01 |
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| rm_you | we've all been sitting here reflashing :) | 14:02 |
| lcuk | :P good | 14:03 |
| lcuk | will it attempt to reinstall all apps from my list after restoring | 14:03 |
| * RST38h is not, he is at work running tests =( | 14:03 | |
| lcuk | (ive not flashed) | 14:03 |
| lcuk | (ever with actual work stuff on device) | 14:04 |
| rm_you | hrm i guess this means I need to throw the newest advanced-backlight onto extras for diablo | 14:06 |
| rm_you | lcuk: erm... i still dont trust restore | 14:06 |
| rm_you | and no, at most it will restore your catalogs | 14:06 |
| rm_you | *repos | 14:06 |
| rm_you | i'm writing down all the stuff in my menus and everything i can remember that isnt | 14:07 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: lol ;) It worked for me. I just reloaded my apps from the chinook repo btw. | 14:07 |
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| rm_you | heh yeah but | 14:08 |
| rm_you | >_> | 14:08 |
| rm_you | yeah i guess | 14:08 |
| rm_you | ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 14:10 |
| rm_you | is that right? | 14:10 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: add -f -R | 14:10 |
| rm_you | o | 14:10 |
| X-Fade | to actually flash and reboot when done. | 14:10 |
| rm_you | k | 14:10 |
| rm_you | always used windoze flasher, sadly >_> | 14:11 |
| rm_you | oh, ADD -f -R | 14:11 |
| rm_you | not replace -F with them | 14:12 |
| X-Fade | no ;) | 14:12 |
| rm_you | wow, is it just me or is the linux flasher way faster? >_> | 14:13 |
| rm_you | what is your NIT's name? :P | 14:14 |
| robsta | is there any way to access the files loaded onto the n810 via usb? | 14:14 |
| robsta | can't find them in the audio player | 14:14 |
| RST38h | Is change list known? | 14:14 |
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| macoute_ | rm_you: its a lot faster | 14:19 |
| macoute_ | it actually flashes, i think windows somehow copies it | 14:19 |
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| rm_you | cool | 14:19 |
| rm_you | also, for the record my n800's name is Nezumi ^_^ | 14:20 |
| macoute_ | it seems that maemo is not high on nokias priorities | 14:20 |
| macoute_ | theres nothing on nokia.com/press yet | 14:20 |
| Anunakin | any here tried android on n8x0 ? | 14:20 |
| rm_you | this release was very badly publicized IMO | 14:21 |
| rm_you | Anunakin: wait for johnx to get back | 14:21 |
| rm_you | he did i think | 14:21 |
| Anunakin | my N810 name is Nakoruru | 14:21 |
| rm_you | :P | 14:21 |
| Anunakin | my cell is Nariko | 14:21 |
| RST38h | Lots of otaku here... | 14:21 |
| Anunakin | :P | 14:22 |
| hrw | I did not invent names for devices | 14:22 |
| rm_you | Desktop: Yuzuki, Server: Haruka. NIT: Nezumi, Cell Phone: Kotone, TV: Mizuno | 14:22 |
| rm_you | ^_^ | 14:22 |
| t_s_o | im boring and just use defaults... | 14:22 |
| RST38h | Phone: comlog. NIT: padlog. | 14:23 |
| RST38h | Laptop: tesseract. And the media server is nameless, as it runs Windows anyway | 14:23 |
| rm_you | oh yeah, Laptop: Takara | 14:23 |
| macoute_ | i surely need a naming convention for my devices | 14:24 |
| hrw | desktop: home, laptop: maluch, tablets, pdas lack names | 14:24 |
| macoute_ | i tried nmapping for ssh-servers on my lan as i didnt remember the ip of one of them one day | 14:24 |
| rm_you | I like my naming convention :) | 14:24 |
| Anunakin | rm_you: nice names! | 14:24 |
| hrw | my other desktop is also 'home' | 14:24 |
| macoute_ | i found 12 ssh-servers runnin on my lan :) | 14:24 |
| Raytray | Desktop: Raytray, tablet: Ray800, phone: RayU470 | 14:24 |
| Raytray | hehe | 14:24 |
| Anunakin | :P | 14:24 |
| macoute_ | (and i have a wii, an xbox and 2 windows-laptops without ssh) :) | 14:24 |
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| rm_you | I have 5 devices on my network with SSH currently >_> | 14:25 |
| macoute_ | most of them were some embedded devices though (wlan ap, a router, etc) | 14:25 |
| rm_you | oh, 4... I just reflashed my n800, and ssh is failing to install properly | 14:25 |
| macoute_ | on diablo? | 14:25 |
| crashanddie | rm_you, heh... I have a server with 4 ssh servers on it :P | 14:25 |
| rm_you | yeah but same problem i had on chinook | 14:25 |
| rm_you | crashanddie: lol?! :P | 14:26 |
| macoute_ | whats the use of four ssh-servers on one server? | 14:26 |
| X-Fade | I have just installed openssh from chinook on diablo, no problem. | 14:26 |
| crashanddie | rm_you, virtualization | 14:26 |
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| macoute_ | crashanddie: blah, thats 4 servers then and all containing 1 ssh-server :) | 14:26 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: i've never gotten the .install for openssh client and server to work | 14:26 |
| rm_you | it always fails | 14:27 |
| crashanddie | macoute_, well, one power plug, one server :P | 14:27 |
| X-Fade | I used application manager. | 14:27 |
| macoute_ | crashanddie: well, four os's, four servers :P | 14:27 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: usually does not work for ssh | 14:27 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: Did for me 5 minutes ago :) | 14:28 |
| macoute_ | i wrote to nokias head for products and services communications about change log and press release | 14:28 |
| RST38h | maybe they got it fixed | 14:28 |
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| X-Fade | Just added chinook extras to the repository list. | 14:28 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: ? | 14:29 |
| Anunakin | I just compiled and running ... REminiscence (a Flashback engine for Linux) on my N810 | 14:29 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: Most applications work on both chinook and diablo. | 14:30 |
| glass_ | flashback? the game? | 14:30 |
| Anunakin | remapped some keys.. and this working nice... | 14:30 |
| Anunakin | yes | 14:30 |
| Anunakin | the game | 14:30 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: right but how? I never used the application manager. EVER. | 14:30 |
| X-Fade | If you made a backup it would prompt you for it ;) | 14:30 |
| rm_you | i didnt | 14:31 |
| Anunakin | I working at "Another World" game too... but this need a cracked version of this old game | 14:31 |
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| wiza | umm, which software should I use to flash | 14:44 |
| wiza | I have mac os x on intel... | 14:44 |
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| johnx | wiza, flasher-2.0 | 14:45 |
| wiza | the PPC version? | 14:46 |
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| rm_you | johnx: Diablo :P | 14:47 |
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| johnx | rm_you, what? | 14:47 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: enabled a bazillion repos and enabled red-pill, still cant find openssh. will just do it via apt-get | 14:47 |
| johnx | wiza, yes, I think so | 14:47 |
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| rm_you | johnx: diablo :P | 14:48 |
| rm_you | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php?f=RX-34_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 14:48 |
| johnx | oh | 14:48 |
| johnx | interesting | 14:48 |
| rm_you | official release was a few hours ago | 14:48 |
| johnx | rawk | 14:48 |
| rm_you | just flashed | 14:48 |
| rm_you | about to set up root on sd | 14:48 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: It is just called openssh, and it is in extras ;) | 14:48 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: have extras, looked, searched, nothing | 14:49 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/o/openssh/ It really is there. | 14:50 |
| rm_you | yes it is in chinook, just changed it in my sources.list | 14:50 |
| rm_you | app manager doesnt let me select distro name anywhere :/ | 14:50 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: Did you fill in chinook in the distribution field? | 14:50 |
| X-Fade | That is what I did. | 14:51 |
| rm_you | err i was scanning for a "diablo" to replace | 14:52 |
| rm_you | it was just blank, i guess blank means diablo | 14:52 |
| jitu3485 | Hi , I am unable to scp any files on my N810 memory status is at http://pastebin.com/md0acd9b | 14:53 |
| rm_you | what is "OS2008 Feature Upgrade" and ... "(Unlocked) | 14:53 |
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| RST38h | Meanwhile: In the wake of today's news of the Symbian Foundation being set up, UI company UIQ have announced plans to layoff of 200 employees | 14:54 |
| RST38h | (out of 375 total) | 14:54 |
| rm_you | >_> | 14:55 |
| lcuk | jitu3485, there is an issue where the 810 2GB internal card is released with incorrect parameters, from the looks of your pastebin you have nearly filled your mmc2, its possible you could have run into this corruption problem? | 14:55 |
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| glass_ | what have they been doing for the past 2 years? (the uiq guys...) | 14:56 |
| lcuk | actually forget that i need glasses | 14:56 |
| * lcuk puts glass_ on | 14:56 | |
| * Jaffa catches up with the "diablo released" thing. Presumably N810W release not synchronized? | 14:56 | |
| lcuk | jaffa, most reasonable scenario is slower than expected rollout by worldwide isps for wimax? | 14:57 |
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| jitu3485 | lcuk, thanks for information | 14:57 |
| lcuk | jitu3485, don't thank me, it was wrong | 14:57 |
| lcuk | your mmc2 is practically empty | 14:58 |
| jitu3485 | lcuk, ten what may be the problem any idea? | 14:59 |
| rm_you | htm | 14:59 |
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| jitu3485 | %s/ten/then/g | 14:59 |
| rm_you | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 14:59 |
| rm_you | osso-software-version-rx34: Depends: flash-and-reboot (= 3) but it is not going to be installed | 14:59 |
| rm_you | Depends: initfs-flasher (= 0.95.16-200823maemo2) but it is not going to be installed | 14:59 |
| rm_you | Depends: kernel-diablo-flasher (= 2.6.21-200823maemo3) but it is not going to be installed | 14:59 |
| rm_you | weird | 14:59 |
| rm_you | apt-get -f install just makes them install | 14:59 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: agreed, which is why I was hoping for a seperate release. Oh, and the 2Q date has been met too :-) | 15:00 |
| macoute_ | rm_you: you flashed, right? | 15:01 |
| rm_you | yes | 15:04 |
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| rm_you | wow, this root on SD tutorial is OLD | 15:04 |
| rm_you | it always makes me uneasy following guides that tell me "and now if you want you can upgrade to Sardine" >_< | 15:04 |
| lcuk | why, it was perfectly valid until it was killed yesterday :P | 15:05 |
| ranit | tell me jitu3485 | 15:05 |
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| jitu3485 | ranit, what? | 15:07 |
| ranit | jitu3485: / is full, it shouldn't be like that | 15:07 |
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| rm_you | the only thing that confuses me is why they ALWAYS have at least two partitions on the SD card, one vfat and one ext2 | 15:07 |
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| rm_you | the OS goes on the ext2, wtf do i want a random fat partition for? | 15:07 |
| schilling | hello | 15:07 |
| rm_you | can't i just have the entire card for the OS? | 15:07 |
| johnx | rm_you, I remember there being some reason...but it didn't seem like a good enough reason to bother | 15:08 |
| rm_you | i'll give it a 1kb partition | 15:08 |
| rm_you | to keep it happy | 15:08 |
| rm_you | <_< | 15:08 |
| * johnx will buy some SD cards soon... | 15:08 | |
| rm_you | johnx: I have an extra 4g... | 15:09 |
| johnx | great...send it to me :P | 15:09 |
| rm_you | :P | 15:09 |
| johnx | tape it to a postcard | 15:09 |
| rm_you | lol | 15:09 |
| rm_you | I need to send you that shirt still | 15:09 |
| rm_you | i was just gonna send it and have you be like... "oh!" :P | 15:09 |
| rm_you | but i dont remember your address | 15:09 |
| schilling | i have some problems adding a start menu item on my n770. i already put the .desktop file into my /usr/share/applications/hildon and i can see it in under "extras" in my start menu, but when i click on it nothing happens | 15:10 |
| schilling | i wrote the file myself | 15:10 |
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| schilling | the file looks like this: http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/365340/ | 15:11 |
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| Jaffa | Gah! Just realised I haven't got my Nokia's USB cable here today | 15:12 |
| rm_you | bah wtf, can't unmount my mmc to repartition | 15:12 |
| rm_you | Jaffa: nooo!!! | 15:12 |
| rm_you | Jaffa: just poke someone for a camera cable... it's just usb | 15:12 |
| rm_you | or you have n810? >_> | 15:12 |
| schilling | i am trying to start an application which is trying to connect to a server. the application starts, establishes a connection but fails to open the gui... | 15:13 |
| crashanddie | rm_you, you should be able to unmount it no problem | 15:13 |
| crashanddie | rm_you, make sure you don't any app using it/console with the pwd on MMC | 15:13 |
| schilling | there are no problems starting it directly from the command line | 15:13 |
| schilling | via ssh | 15:13 |
| crashanddie | schilling, do you use run-standalone.sh ? | 15:13 |
| Jaffa | rm_you: N810 | 15:13 |
| * Jaffa can carefully ensure he backs up everything he wants | 15:14 | |
| rm_you | Jaffa: :( | 15:14 |
| schilling | crashanddie, i didn't know this. until now i just started it via the command line using a ssh connection | 15:15 |
| crashanddie | schilling, run-standalone is a wrapper script | 15:15 |
| crashanddie | you might want to use it in order to define correct behavior | 15:15 |
| schilling | ok | 15:16 |
| schilling | i am going to try this one, thanks... bbl | 15:16 |
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| lbt | hmm - on linux lsusb says: | 15:19 |
| lbt | Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0421:04c3 Nokia Mobile Phones N800 Internet Tablet | 15:19 |
| rm_you | :P | 15:19 |
| lbt | but flasher-3.0 says | 15:19 |
| lbt | Suitable USB device not found, waiting | 15:19 |
| rm_you | lbt: run as root | 15:19 |
| lbt | :) | 15:19 |
| lbt | yes | 15:19 |
| rm_you | your user probably doesnt have write access to the usb device | 15:19 |
| * konttori wonders how many people had alseady ssu'd to the 23-14 | 15:19 | |
| rm_you | that was my problem | 15:19 |
| Anunaki1 | Diablo is out? really? | 15:20 |
| rm_you | yep | 15:20 |
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| Anunaki1 | nice | 15:20 |
| rm_you | right when I thought I was nearly done making my n800 exactly the way I wanted it :) | 15:20 |
| andre___ | hmm. now that diablo ships modest, I wonder what to do with that component called "email" in bugzilla. conflicts, sigh... :-) | 15:21 |
| X-Fade | andre: pre-diablo email? :) | 15:21 |
| andre___ | hehe. maybe, yeah. but we also got a "modest" component already. need to install diablo and take a look myself whether the name "modest" is written somewhere at all. i doubt | 15:22 |
| RST38h | Is modest still breaking backups? | 15:22 |
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| schilling | crashanddie, same as before... when starting it using: http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/365423/ the server is getting an incoming connection, but obviously there is a mistake and the GUI is not starting up. | 15:24 |
| t_s_o | ah, there was the reflash done | 15:24 |
| crashanddie | schilling, then you might want to debug in order to find out what's really happening. The wrapper script is *needed*, because that's how it's going to behave once it's launched from the menu | 15:25 |
| schilling | but when using /root/infogui -ip 192.168.77.1 using the shell it works fine. so i guess there is a problem in my .desktop file :( | 15:26 |
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| schilling | hhmm.. that's bad. i only have the binary file here. | 15:27 |
| crashanddie | schilling, there's your problem | 15:27 |
| crashanddie | schilling, I don't know how arguments are handled | 15:27 |
| andre___ | RST38h, if modest does, is there a bug report? | 15:27 |
| schilling | when using a desktop file? | 15:27 |
| LoCusF_ | damn now I gotta update my sdk as well.. | 15:27 |
| crashanddie | schilling, you might want to show the GUI, and add a menu option to connect to the server | 15:28 |
| schilling | but i think the arguments are handeld right, because the server gets an incoming connection | 15:28 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: I made a backup on chinook and restored in diablo. Modest worked fine? | 15:28 |
| crashanddie | diablo public ? | 15:29 |
| luogni | schilling: you don't need to put run-standalone in the desktop file. You should use it from the terminal when you want to test launching your app | 15:29 |
| rm_you | !!! unknown initfs version 2008-24, cannot install bootmenu | 15:29 |
| schilling | i spoke to the person who wrote the tool. another possibility might be that the pictures are missing. they should be in the same folder as the program binary | 15:29 |
| rm_you | :( | 15:29 |
| schilling | luogni, both works fine. with our w/o run-standalone | 15:29 |
| RST38h | andre: No idea although I know exactly WHY it did | 15:30 |
| luogni | schilling: is the program looking for a specific path or it just checks cwd? | 15:30 |
| luogni | luogni: to look for icons, i mean | 15:30 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: did you have modest in Chinook? | 15:30 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Yep | 15:30 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: then it must have been fixed | 15:30 |
| hrw | ETA: 2 minutes | 15:30 |
| schilling | luogni, the program looks for pictures which are then used inside the program | 15:31 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: At some point, Modest saved email addresses in its XML config file with @ signs | 15:31 |
| luogni | diablo extras is empty.. :( | 15:31 |
| crashanddie | anyone have a good tutorial to install diablo on the internal MMC ? | 15:31 |
| Anunaki1 | haha | 15:31 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: And Chinook XML parses choked on those | 15:31 |
| X-Fade | luogni: Just use the chinook one for now. | 15:31 |
| schilling | but it works fine as long as they are located in the same folder as the binaries | 15:31 |
| rm_you | crashanddie: thats what i'm looking for | 15:31 |
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| luogni | X-Fade: yeah will do :) | 15:31 |
| RST38h | s/parses/parser/ | 15:31 |
| infobot | RST38h meant: X-Fade: And Chinook XML parser choked on those | 15:31 |
| luogni | schilling: yeah but where is the program looking ? | 15:31 |
| rm_you | crashanddie: the problem is that i'm not sure we can boot from mmc yet, as fanoush's custom init thing doesnt work at the moment | 15:31 |
| rm_you | since there is a new initfs <_< | 15:32 |
| RST38h | The weird part is that other (non-modest) parts of the system were affected by this bug | 15:32 |
| schilling | in the same folder | 15:32 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Hmm, I don't know. It has been a while since I had to restore a backup ;) Well, until today. | 15:32 |
| luogni | luogni: if you ssh to the device, cd / and then /root/infogui -ip .... does it work ? | 15:32 |
| * luogni likes to speak to himself | 15:32 | |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Maybe the xml libs were updated. | 15:32 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: If you are not seeing any abnormal behaviour in App Installer, etc. then it must have been fixed | 15:32 |
| luogni | schilling: it was for you my last message.. | 15:32 |
| schilling | what confuses me: the _only thing_ that changes is the way it is started. using the command line works, using the desktop link i created (http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/365423/) is not working | 15:32 |
| t_s_o | ah, the joys of recovering the software one ones had installed... | 15:33 |
| schilling | luogni, definately | 15:33 |
| schilling | it works 100% | 15:33 |
| * crashanddie is going to go with a clean Diablo install, no backup :P | 15:33 | |
| X-Fade | RST38h: I made backup today, so I was running latest modest. Maybe that is the difference. | 15:33 |
| * rm_you agrees | 15:33 | |
| luogni | schilling: even if you launch it from a different directory ? | 15:33 |
| johnx | schilling, does the same behavior happen with the run-standalone.sh script as with the .desktop file? | 15:33 |
| rm_you | johnx: installing Diablo? | 15:33 |
| johnx | if so one of the env variables set is messing you up | 15:33 |
| johnx | rm_you, as we speak :P | 15:33 |
| rm_you | :P | 15:33 |
| johnx | rm_you, just finished my rsync backup | 15:33 |
| rm_you | you do root on SD? | 15:33 |
| schilling | johnx, luogni: doesn't matter which directory as long as the two pictures and the bnary are in the same one | 15:33 |
| johnx | rm_you, not usually | 15:33 |
| rm_you | oh, tho to boot debian you'll need to deal with the same issue I am ATM | 15:34 |
| johnx | schilling, does it work when run from run-standalone.sh? sorry if you already answered that... | 15:34 |
| rm_you | can we use one of fanoush's old initfs images? | 15:34 |
| schilling | johnx, luogni: and it does not matter if i type "./infogui -ip ..." or "/usr/bin/run-standalone.sh ./infogui -ip ..." | 15:34 |
| schilling | both work | 15:35 |
| hrw | flashed. | 15:35 |
| schilling | that does not seem to be the matter... it seems to be an issue at how the "desktop" opens the file | 15:35 |
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| schilling | can anyone confirm that my file is right: http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/365423/ | 15:36 |
| RST38h | hrw: does agps work? | 15:36 |
| luogni | schilling: well, you're telling that the apps start fine, right? event from the menu i mean. | 15:36 |
| hrw | RST38h: yesterday it was working | 15:36 |
| luogni | schilling: yeah it seems correct | 15:36 |
| luogni | schilling: remove the run-standalone part | 15:36 |
| schilling | luogni, it starts and the server tells me that there is an incoming connection | 15:37 |
| hrw | and this time I have battery applet visible.. | 15:37 |
| RST38h | hrw: yes, but that was before flashing the official release =) | 15:37 |
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| Anunaki1 | Can I use diablo with dual boot from fanoush.wz.cz ? | 15:37 |
| schilling | but i can't see the application using "top" in the command line or on my n770 | 15:37 |
| hrw | RST38h: just flashed - have to check first | 15:37 |
| lardman | So, what have I missed? | 15:37 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Diablo release ;) | 15:37 |
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| lardman | rm_you: if you would like to do some debugging, it should be much easier now that Diablo is released | 15:37 |
| crashanddie | downloading flash image :) | 15:38 |
| rm_you | lardman: cool | 15:38 |
| lardman | X-Fade: yeah, saw that at home & grabbed a copy while the server was still running ;) | 15:38 |
| crashanddie | done :) | 15:38 |
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| lbt | still having a problem with flasher-3.0 - any ideas? "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" | 15:38 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Well, it seems to hold up now ;) | 15:38 |
| schilling | i talked again to the programmer. it is very likely that there is a probem with the images | 15:38 |
| hrw | I see first regression since chinook | 15:38 |
| lbt | running as root | 15:38 |
| lardman | rm_you: What sorts of debugging were you thinking of? | 15:38 |
| rm_you | lbt and that is as root? | 15:38 |
| rm_you | hrm | 15:38 |
| lardman | X-Fade: Good good | 15:38 |
| lardman | hrw: what is it? | 15:38 |
| luogni | schilling: i think the problem is that the program looks for icons in the current working directory | 15:39 |
| rm_you | lardman: what I normally do... tons of mundane fiddling with settings and states of random things | 15:39 |
| hrw | wifi applet say that I am connected to 'hrw' instead of 'Dom' | 15:39 |
| luogni | schilling: so it works if you do "./infobot ...." | 15:39 |
| schilling | what i mean: when sarting it via the command line it looks for the pictures in the same directory... when using the desktop file it doesn't seem to fint them | 15:39 |
| lbt | lsusb is: Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0421:04c3 Nokia Mobile Phones N800 Internet Tablet | 15:39 |
| schilling | luogni, yes | 15:39 |
| hrw | network ssid is 'hrw' but connection is named 'Dom' | 15:39 |
| luogni | schilling: but it doesn't work if you start from the path | 15:39 |
| rm_you | lardman: which produces useful results a surprisingly high percent of the time | 15:39 |
| lardman | hrw: I see | 15:39 |
| crashanddie | schilling, couldn't you set the pwd ? | 15:39 |
| schilling | luogni, when i start it using the desktop file | 15:39 |
| luogni | schilling: so.. tell your programmer to fix the app :) | 15:39 |
| schilling | luogni, that might be a problem | 15:39 |
| lardman | rm_you: to do much testing, you'll probably need the DSP cross-toolchain setup | 15:39 |
| schilling | he is not here | 15:39 |
| schilling | :( | 15:39 |
| rm_you | lardman: i think i did that already | 15:40 |
| rm_you | err not for diablo :/ | 15:40 |
| luogni | schilling: you can to a simple shell file, like "#!/bin/sh cd /root ./infobot -ip ...." | 15:40 |
| schilling | i don't understand why there should be any difference when starting it from the command line or via the desktop shortcut | 15:40 |
| luogni | schilling: and launch the shell file from the desktop | 15:40 |
| crashanddie | schilling, desktop/run-standalone.sh are wrapper scripts | 15:40 |
| lardman | rm_you: ah cool, ok then. Will you be online this evening? I can push my latest changes and give you instructions as to how to setup then | 15:40 |
| rm_you | schilling: erm, I think when you start from the .desktop files via menus, it expects dbus tie-ins | 15:40 |
| rm_you | lardman: by this evening, if you mean "in approximately 20 hours", yes | 15:41 |
| rm_you | maybe 18 | 15:41 |
| hrw | ha! initfs space is doubled in diablo | 15:41 |
| luogni | schilling: because if you launch a file from the desktop the system doesn't set the current working directory to "/root" so your program can't find images | 15:41 |
| lardman | rm_you: for me ~5 hours | 15:41 |
| hrw | was 0x200000 before | 15:41 |
| schilling | luogni, that might be the problem | 15:41 |
| rm_you | lardman: it is 5:41 am here | 15:41 |
| schilling | and how do i place a shell file on th desktop? | 15:41 |
| lardman | rm_you: ok, so I'll run through it with you at morning coffee time then :) | 15:41 |
| rm_you | lardman: i need to sleep in about 20 minutes, and then i will be driving around and busy until probably 2am+ | 15:41 |
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| lardman | rm_you: if you send me an email, I can give you the instructions, etc. that way if you'd like | 15:42 |
| rm_you | hrw: hrm, i wonder how that affected the fanoush initfs flash | 15:42 |
| luogni | schilling: 1) create a shell file that sets cwd and starts your file. 2) put it in /root/launch_infobot 3) change your .desktop file to launch launch_infobot | 15:42 |
| LoCusF_ | did I need anything else besides -F and -R for the flasher? | 15:42 |
| rm_you | considering i just did it.. | 15:42 |
| rm_you | LoCusF_: -f also | 15:42 |
| LoCusF_ | rm_you: ok thanks | 15:43 |
| lbt | LoCusF_: http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node4.html#SECTION00470000000000000000 | 15:43 |
| schilling | luogni, ok thank you | 15:43 |
| hrw | rm_you: 2MB larger should not affect | 15:43 |
| LoCusF_ | lbt: thanks to you too :) | 15:43 |
| luogni | schilling: no problem, tell me if it works or if you need something else :) | 15:43 |
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| schilling | and the .desktop file should look like this: http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/365518/ | 15:44 |
| schilling | luogni | 15:45 |
| luogni | schilling: yes | 15:45 |
| schilling | ok thanks | 15:45 |
| lcuk | lbt, at work at the moment, but git started to build nicely, only an issue when it got to building perl sections... ill see whats wrong with it later | 15:45 |
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| luogni | schilling: and launch_infobot is something like this: http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/365532/ | 15:46 |
| luogni | schilling: remeber to set it exec (chmod a+x /root/launch_infobot) | 15:46 |
| Ave | anyone done diablo update to n810 yet? | 15:47 |
| crashanddie | just did | 15:47 |
| Ave | there be any showstoppers? | 15:47 |
| Ave | or wow-worthy upgrades | 15:47 |
| lardman | Is the bluez-utils version still 3.28osso4? | 15:48 |
| luogni | lardman: yes | 15:49 |
| luogni | lardman: 3.28-0osso4 | 15:49 |
| lardman | luogni: cool, thanks | 15:50 |
| Ave | is there some howto on the daiblo update? and what role does the playback play | 15:50 |
| Ave | errrr | 15:50 |
| Ave | backup! | 15:50 |
| X-Fade | Ave: Just make a backup in chinook. Flash image, automatically restore backup. | 15:51 |
| crashanddie | this might be the placebo effect, but I do have the feeling the browser is snappier | 15:51 |
| Ave | yay | 15:51 |
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| Ave | X-Fade: ok, I'll try .. | 15:51 |
| Ave | suppose I'll take backup to external sd-card and remove the thing during flashing, just in case | 15:52 |
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| X-Fade | Ave: No. | 15:52 |
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| X-Fade | Ave: Well, backup to the exernal card is ok. But you don't need to remove it. | 15:53 |
| Ave | I'm just paranoid | 15:53 |
| Ave | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/maemo_4-1_comes_with_new_tools-better_documentation_and_a_promoted_extras_repository.html | 15:53 |
| Ave | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008_feature_upgrade-reflash_your_tablet-for_the_last_time.html | 15:53 |
| crashanddie | I just backed up settings/contacts/bookmarks, nothing else, works fine | 15:53 |
| X-Fade | Ave: Well, it doesn't hurt. But doesn't make sense :) | 15:53 |
| Ave | yeah | 15:53 |
| Ave | but ah.. what happens to root-fs? | 15:54 |
| Ave | I've done changes to rx44 xkb for example, remapping some keys | 15:54 |
| X-Fade | That gets zapped. | 15:54 |
| Ave | I suppose those are gone | 15:54 |
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| X-Fade | Yes, you need to backup those manually.. | 15:54 |
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| Ave | ok that kinda marks how I'll spend this night | 15:55 |
| X-Fade | Ave: It should be the last time you need to do that ;) | 15:55 |
| LoCusF_ | hmm my software requires 586 MB of memory ... | 15:55 |
| Ave | so they say | 15:56 |
| X-Fade | Ave: Well, 'they' haven't said that before. | 15:56 |
| schilling | luogni, it work! :) | 15:56 |
| schilling | now i have to find a way to add a shortcut to the desktop | 15:56 |
| schilling | using simple-launcher_0.9.5_armel.deb | 15:57 |
| luogni | schilling: cool! | 15:57 |
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| schilling | yeahhh | 15:58 |
| schilling | it works ;) | 15:58 |
| schilling | just had to reboot the device to get the start menu entry into the options of simple launcher | 15:58 |
| schilling | now i just have to define an icon inside the .desktop file ;) | 16:00 |
| lbt | lcuk: re git... :) | 16:00 |
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| LoCusF_ | crashanddie: no placebo, its faster on mine as well | 16:02 |
| crashanddie | LoCusF_, cool :) | 16:03 |
| rm_you | yay root is /dev/mmcblk0p2 :) | 16:03 |
| rm_you | i can finally install wesnoth! :P | 16:04 |
| LoCusF_ | also the icons are smaller | 16:04 |
| unixSnob | What's the deal with rtorrent? Is there a binary version out there? | 16:05 |
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| LoCusF_ | all chinook apps do work on diablo, right? | 16:08 |
| X-Fade | LoCusF_: If they don't use strict dependencies, yes. | 16:10 |
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| X-Fade | I haven't found an application that didn't work.. | 16:10 |
| lbt | hmm release notes for flasher are wrong... | 16:12 |
| lbt | they say Turn off the Nokia Internet Tablet | 16:12 |
| lbt | should say Turn off *and unplug the powerfrom * the Nokia Internet Tablet | 16:12 |
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| lbt | then After this command, turn on the device, and the flashing will start | 16:12 |
| lbt | should be | 16:12 |
| rm_you | have to unplug to turn off | 16:12 |
| lbt | or you press power and select "turn off" | 16:13 |
| lbt | sorry for being a user | 16:13 |
| crashanddie | I'm having the feeling the battery is running hotter | 16:13 |
| lbt | but that's what it says | 16:13 |
| rm_you | no, you're mostly right | 16:13 |
| lbt | should also say After this command, plug the power into the device, and the flashing will start | 16:13 |
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| rm_you | should say "Unplug the power from the device and then turn it off" | 16:13 |
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| rm_you | order is important | 16:13 |
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| Veggen | woa, Diablo released? | 16:14 |
| rm_you | yep | 16:14 |
| Veggen | think I'm gonna reflash tonight. | 16:14 |
| johnx | lbt, those instructions are on the wiki, aren't they? | 16:14 |
| Veggen | Fresh install. My current one is a bit hacked ;) | 16:14 |
| Anunakin | can any talk me howto install diablo without loose my apps? | 16:14 |
| sp3000 | rm_you: not really? it'll shut down all the wauy either way | 16:15 |
| rm_you | so, there is a UKMP Dark, is there a UKMP Light? | 16:15 |
| RST38h | UKMP Pink should also be available | 16:15 |
| RST38h | For completeness | 16:15 |
| rm_you | sp3000: IIRC it does not completely shut down if it is plugged in | 16:15 |
| Veggen | Anunakin: I'm not sure it can be done, completely. | 16:16 |
| LoCusF_ | Anunakin: you'll be bound to lose some apps | 16:16 |
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| Veggen | The die-hard Linux way I'd recommend to save you some trouble to find out what you have lost, is to take a backup of the repositories-file, and a dpkg --get-selections | 16:17 |
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| X-Fade | Veggen: Or just make a backup, flash diablo and it will restore them automatically ;) | 16:18 |
| Veggen | which you can probably compare with a dpkg --get-selections after upgrade. | 16:18 |
| X-Fade | Veggen: And otherwise use the 'restore applications' option in the application manager. | 16:18 |
| eocanha | the problem is that many apps aren't in Diablo yet | 16:18 |
| Veggen | X-Fade: well..not if you've installed manually. | 16:18 |
| lbt | johnx: no , here: http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node4.html | 16:18 |
| unixSnob | looks like rtorrent was never ported to the nit. someone said they were going to port it a year ago. | 16:19 |
| * unixSnob settles for ctorrent | 16:19 | |
| lbt | and the login link at that page is wrong | 16:19 |
| eocanha | and that apps will be shown grey shaded in the list of apps to restore | 16:19 |
| X-Fade | eocanha: Just change the distribution line for extras to chinook for now. | 16:19 |
| eocanha | hmmm... nice trick. Thanks | 16:19 |
| eocanha | and that won't harm the currently installed diablo packages? | 16:20 |
| johnx | lbt, wow...you found instructions I've never even seen O_o | 16:20 |
| rm_you | unixSnob: there is a port of Transmission | 16:20 |
| lbt | there seems to be a lot there | 16:20 |
| lbt | it needs to be immutable wiki though | 16:20 |
| lbt | so comments can be added | 16:20 |
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| johnx | lbt, the instructions I usually point users at are here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS | 16:21 |
| X-Fade | lbt: We're working on that. | 16:21 |
| hrw | rtcomm applet is simplified too | 16:22 |
| hrw | in chinook+rtcomm beta it displayed each jabber account as bulb. now it show one bulb nevermind how many jabber accounts I have | 16:22 |
| unixSnob | rm_you, is that what you recommend? | 16:23 |
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| aquatix | \o/ | 16:23 |
| * aquatix comes back from lunch and Diablo is released | 16:23 | |
| LoCusF_ | hmm this sucks | 16:24 |
| LoCusF_ | now the device froze up | 16:24 |
| RST38h | that was a long lunch... | 16:24 |
| lbt | X-Fade: nice - ta | 16:24 |
| jott | is there a hacked initfs for diablo yet (to boot from sd)? | 16:25 |
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| aquatix | RST38h: ;) | 16:26 |
| aquatix | RST38h: we had a slow waitress... | 16:26 |
| aquatix | and it was nice on the terrace | 16:26 |
| aquatix | anybody already running diablo final? | 16:27 |
| rm_you | aquatix: yes | 16:27 |
| aquatix | i guess it's good? :) | 16:27 |
| lbt | yep | 16:27 |
| rm_you | johnx: I symlinked the latest 2007 initfs to the correct name (initfs.2008-24.tgz) and it worked | 16:27 |
| lbt | it's blue | 16:27 |
| rm_you | err | 16:27 |
| sp3000 | rm_you: it does once you unplug it | 16:27 |
| rm_you | maybe not -24 | 16:27 |
| rm_you | but whatever it says | 16:27 |
| rm_you | err | 16:28 |
| rm_you | jott: | 16:28 |
| aquatix | lbt: the theme changed? | 16:28 |
| rm_you | above was for you | 16:28 |
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| sp3000 | so order doesn't matter, though unplugging first kinda does sound less racey and weird | 16:28 |
| lbt | aquatix: maybe - I may not recall the last default | 16:30 |
| X-Fade | aquatix: Just a little bit. | 16:30 |
| aquatix | lbt: ah, as you said `it's blue' :) | 16:30 |
| aquatix | X-Fade: ok | 16:30 |
| * aquatix kinda likes the default os2008 theme | 16:30 | |
| X-Fade | aquatix: You will like this one too then :) | 16:31 |
| aquatix | kk :) | 16:31 |
| aquatix | good opportunity to clean up my tablet | 16:31 |
| X-Fade | Changes between SDK releases here: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/diablo/4.1_vs_4.0.1_content_changes.html | 16:31 |
| shd | i measured n810 context switch speed by writing a program that forks, and the two processes send 1 byte messages to each other a million times. I got 6446 clocks / context switch. On AMD64 2GHz I got 4692 clocks / context switch. | 16:32 |
| shd | I'm positively surprised :) | 16:32 |
| aquatix | 6.81MB free | 16:32 |
| aquatix | shd: hm :) | 16:32 |
| LoCusF_ | wow | 16:32 |
| shd | but note, context switch can be slower than this.. | 16:32 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: ! thanks ! | 16:34 |
| crashanddie | shd, depends on the number of processes that are running on your desktop though | 16:34 |
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| shd | crashanddie: there weren't other active applications that would significantly alter results | 16:35 |
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| RST38h | shd: Yes but how frequent are context switches? | 16:36 |
| lbt | nfs has gone? | 16:36 |
| RST38h | shd: And how many other programs have been running in background (even if they are not showing up as applications) | 16:36 |
| lbt | and ssh? | 16:38 |
| shd | RST38h: ~2 million context switches in 34 secs | 16:38 |
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| RST38h | shd: is it n810 or amd? | 16:38 |
| shd | n810 | 16:39 |
| RST38h | and amd? | 16:39 |
| shd | initial ctx value (from /proc/stat) | 16:39 |
| shd | 19482323 -> 21485745 | 16:39 |
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| RST38h | wait, isn't 17us a bit short for a context switch? | 16:39 |
| shd | that is 2003422 ctx switches, so there were not many extra switches.. | 16:40 |
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| shd | RST38h: no | 16:40 |
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| shd | linux in general does context switches in several microseconds, often... | 16:40 |
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| tlacuache | hey, just making sure: RX-34_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, titled "The latest IT OS 2008 release for Nokia N800", that's the diablo image, right? | 16:41 |
| tlacuache | i mean, the "actual" one | 16:41 |
| RST38h | 4.2 means diablo | 16:41 |
| tlacuache | hm... that question didn't seem as stupid in my head... :) | 16:41 |
| RST38h | wait, that is the year! =) | 16:42 |
| Veggen | tlacuache: But yeah. Diablo is released. | 16:42 |
| tlacuache | terrific. thanks. | 16:42 |
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| X-Fade | tlacuache: It is in the filename ;) | 16:44 |
| tlacuache | yeah, i saw that after i already posted. it's really early, i swear... | 16:45 |
| aquatix | damn, is it already week 23 | 16:45 |
| X-Fade | tlacuache: The coffee excuse always works ;) | 16:45 |
| tlacuache | i was looking at the string of numbers 4.2008.23-14 and somehow my eyes glazed over the "diablo" part | 16:45 |
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| aquatix | tlacuache: that's because of the all-caps ;) | 16:46 |
| konttori | it's week 26 now. | 16:46 |
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| aquatix | myeah | 16:46 |
| konttori | so, even worse than 23. :( | 16:47 |
| aquatix | so, isn't 4.2008.23-14 a tad old then? or is that just me | 16:47 |
| tlacuache | yeah, that's a good excuse... the all-caps. yeah, that was it... | 16:47 |
| X-Fade | aquatix: They need to do QA on it too, you know. | 16:47 |
| aquatix | tlacuache: i always read over the obvious texts too; i guess too much internet does that to you | 16:47 |
| X-Fade | It is not like the say, "Ok it is ready", build it, ship it ;) | 16:47 |
| aquatix | X-Fade: nah... ;) | 16:47 |
| * aquatix should revisit his development cycle ;) | 16:48 | |
| aquatix | X-Fade: but fair enough :) | 16:48 |
| * aquatix is going to install this evening | 16:48 | |
| Ave | is there some application changelog chinook vs diablo? | 16:48 |
| Ave | closed bugs, something | 16:48 |
| tlacuache | ave: there's this http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/changes/23-14_vs_50-2_comparison.html and this http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/changes/23-14_vs_50-2_changes.html | 16:49 |
| tlacuache | shows package differences, i guess | 16:49 |
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| Veggen | But well. Let's hope they releases bug-fixes apt-get upgradeable from now on? | 16:50 |
| X-Fade | Veggen: They have been doing that in the 'pre-releases', so I guess so. | 16:50 |
| Ave | yeehaw | 16:50 |
| Ave | thanks, I'll head home soon and goof up my n810 | 16:51 |
| * aquatix already made a backup | 16:51 | |
| aquatix | running mail on imap anyway | 16:51 |
| aquatix | neat, gpg by default | 16:52 |
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| lbt | flashed diablo - went to Downloads on maemo. Clicked on evince. app mgr asked me to enable extras. I did. Got "unable to download evince Application package not found" | 16:54 |
| rm_you | wow, just installed advanced-backlight from chinook extras, i forgot how few options it had >_< | 16:54 |
| aquatix | hm, that instant messaging hack to add protocols [rtcomm?], is it in diablo too? | 16:54 |
| rm_you | i will try to push 0.9b ASAP | 16:54 |
| aquatix | rm_you: :) | 16:55 |
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| inz | lbt, try using chinook extras | 16:56 |
| * johnx <3 modest | 16:58 | |
| lbt | inz: ? how do you mean? | 16:58 |
| rm_you | johnx: hrmrm, i still use claws-mail | 16:58 |
| lbt | it should '1-click install' | 16:58 |
| rm_you | johnx: modest continues to entirely fail at loading my mailbox | 16:58 |
| LoCusF_ | what the heck was the name of the tunneling app that tunneled all connections via socks proxy? | 16:58 |
| LoCusF_ | it wasn't a maemo app though | 16:58 |
| johnx | rm_you, craziness | 16:58 |
| rm_you | lbt: as an early adopter (ie, within the first day) this is the kind of thing you'll need to deal with | 16:59 |
| inz | lbt, I guess the .install file doesn't have a distribution defined for the extras, so it will default to current i.e. diablo | 16:59 |
| rm_you | the repository for diablo is not filled yet | 16:59 |
| RST38h | rm_you: imap? | 16:59 |
| inz | lbt, if you manually edit the repository list from application manager, you can put chinook in the distribution | 16:59 |
| rm_you | it will clear up in a few days to a week | 16:59 |
| rm_you | RST38h: yes | 16:59 |
| lbt | OK - so long as people are aware... | 16:59 |
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| RST38h | rm_you: use pop3 | 17:00 |
| * mgedmin shouts for help | 17:00 | |
| rm_you | RST38h: ... no | 17:00 |
| aquatix | RST38h: ew | 17:00 |
| mgedmin | why won't app manager let me install openssh? | 17:00 |
| rm_you | not even close to an option | 17:00 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: because openssh install is screwed | 17:00 |
| mgedmin | I can see it on the web, in http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/Packages | 17:00 |
| t_s_o | interesting, the microb component manager now have a update checker? | 17:00 |
| * RST38h hands mgedmin a solution | 17:01 | |
| rm_you | mgedmin: extras for diablo is empty still | 17:01 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: Old cache perhaps? | 17:01 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: remove any openssh packages you have installed | 17:01 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: then install from scratch | 17:01 |
| mgedmin | RST38h: I have none; I just reflashed to diablo | 17:01 |
| Blafasel | Is diablo a great-should-do-right-away release or a nice-but-wait-until-at-home-again one? ;) | 17:01 |
| rm_you | mgedmin: extras for diablo is empty still | 17:01 |
| RST38h | mgeddmin: then change repo to chinook | 17:01 |
| mgedmin | the diablo extras repo is not empty in my web browser... | 17:01 |
| mgedmin | am I hallucinating? | 17:01 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: I have got a question | 17:01 |
| rm_you | <mgedmin> I can see it on the web, in http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/Packages | 17:01 |
| rm_you | chinook? | 17:01 |
| mgedmin | *chinook* | 17:01 |
| mgedmin | *headdesk* | 17:02 |
| mgedmin | stupid | 17:02 |
| rm_you | lol np | 17:02 |
| * mgedmin takes a deep breath | 17:02 | |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Shoot! | 17:02 |
| rm_you | i just went through this about 5 minutes ago :P | 17:02 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Let us say I set app installer to chinook repos and install stuff from them | 17:02 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: later, I change it to diablo repos and have to update installed stuff | 17:02 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Will it require me to reinstall saying that the software has been installed form a different repo and thus incompatible? | 17:02 |
| rm_you | RST38h: no | 17:03 |
| rm_you | RST38h: it will be the same exact version stamp, or updated | 17:03 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: No that is only for system libs.. | 17:03 |
| rm_you | so it will update as normal | 17:03 |
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| lbt | yeah but... shouldn't this be coordinated with the release? Or is that "stating the bleedin obvious" ? | 17:03 |
| rm_you | or not, if the package is the same version | 17:03 |
| Veggen | aquatix: Yes, the newer rtcomm is installed in Diablo, that's what I heard at least. | 17:03 |
| aquatix | Veggen: cool | 17:03 |
| rm_you | lbt: it probably could have been done better, yes... | 17:03 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade,rm_you: thanks, good to know | 17:03 |
| aquatix | Veggen: so we get the multiple IM networks by default | 17:03 |
| * mgedmin misses his load-applet | 17:03 | |
| rm_you | lbt: i think part of the problem is that none of the developers were prepared... no one told us diablo was coming soon >_> | 17:04 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: I use the one from chinook. | 17:04 |
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| johnx | lbt, it's difficult for 3rd parties to release binary packages for an OS that doesn't exist or have a released SDK | 17:04 |
| LoCusF_ | mgedmin: osso-statusbar-cpu works | 17:04 |
| lbt | rm_you: so maybe a task for the maemo-nokia council | 17:04 |
| rm_you | mgedmin: osso-statusbar-cpu? | 17:04 |
| rm_you | lbt: probably, at least for future releases | 17:04 |
| * lbt wanders off to find the wiki task list page. | 17:04 | |
| * mgedmin thinks load-applet is prettier | 17:05 | |
| RST38h | rm_you: imap protocol itself is so convoluted that it is better to be avoided | 17:05 |
| RST38h | (although I understand that a lot of people are used to it) | 17:05 |
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| * tlacuache thinks he will probably wait a week or so before reflashing | 17:06 | |
| Veggen | rm_you: but hasn't the process of getting the package in extras improved too? | 17:06 |
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| rm_you | Veggen: yes | 17:06 |
| inz | mgedmin, if you think load-applet is prettier, you have bad taste ;) | 17:06 |
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| rm_you | RST38h: can't do without it. it just isnt possible | 17:06 |
| rm_you | lol | 17:06 |
| RST38h | too bad | 17:06 |
| inz | mgedmin, maybe I should create new icon that fits better in the new icon theme | 17:06 |
| rm_you | RST38h: how do you deal with your mail being stuck on one machine? | 17:07 |
| Veggen | rm_you: I think Nokia is learning, at least. It's slow for those that comes from the all-proprietary-part, but they're getting it bit by bit. | 17:07 |
| mgedmin | inz: I know; I've been agonizing how ugly load-applet looked on the new all-black OS2008 theme | 17:07 |
| RST38h | rm_you: I keep it on that machine | 17:07 |
| rm_you | I check my email on at least 4 different machines, and use webmail at various other locations | 17:07 |
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| RST38h | rm_you: normally ssh there and read it with pine | 17:07 |
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| Veggen | They still lack on the openness in the development process. | 17:07 |
| rm_you | RST38h: that's unrealistic for a very large portion of email users (people) | 17:07 |
| Veggen | Too many people does not have the authority to speak freely | 17:08 |
| Veggen | An open source-friendly company should give their developers freedom to interact with the community. | 17:08 |
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| rm_you | RST38h: I'm not saying POP3 is useless, since it does work for many people... but it does sound to me like you're saying IMAP isn't even worth fixing | 17:09 |
| Veggen | (but I have hope, because I see it's improving bit-by-bit) | 17:09 |
| mgedmin | RST38h: have you tried mutt? | 17:09 |
| RST38h | rm_you: basically, yes, I came to that conclusion after trying to use it with a few clients | 17:09 |
| mgedmin | does pine even support utf-8 these days? | 17:09 |
| rm_you | RST38h: and what alternative would you provide for users that need to keep mail on the server? | 17:10 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: the version I have does not but I think there is a "fixed" version available | 17:10 |
| t_s_o | heh, loved the new way of showing what repos had issues ;) | 17:10 |
| RST38h | rm_you: you can keep it there with pop3, just don't delete it on the server | 17:10 |
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| aquatix | RST38h: i use more than one folder for my mail | 17:10 |
| aquatix | imaps suits me really fine :) | 17:11 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: mutt - tried it but am too used to pine now, too late to switch | 17:11 |
| rm_you | RST38h: and end up with 30 copies of every email in your inbox? >_> that's what happened to me last time i tried that | 17:11 |
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| * rm_you likes mutt as a side effect of liking vim | 17:11 | |
| RST38h | rm_you: no, maemo mail (at least) does not do it | 17:11 |
| aquatix | rm_you: :) | 17:11 |
| aquatix | modest is quite ok with imap | 17:11 |
| aquatix | claws-mail rocks | 17:11 |
| rm_you | yes | 17:11 |
| aquatix | modest doesn't always mark emails `read' on the server though, which sucks | 17:12 |
| Veggen | I need a better imap server, that's my only problem ;) | 17:12 |
| Veggen | (not on my n810, though) | 17:12 |
| aquatix | Veggen: install dovecot :) | 17:12 |
| Veggen | aquatix: yah..is it maildir-friendly? | 17:12 |
| aquatix | certainly | 17:12 |
| Veggen | And does it scale to 10's of thousands of messages in a folder? | 17:12 |
| aquatix | i use mail files though | 17:12 |
| aquatix | Veggen: not sure, but it's *fast* | 17:13 |
| aquatix | Veggen: i would google it | 17:13 |
| mgedmin | mutt doesn't scale to 10s of thousands of messages in a folder, especially in a maildir... | 17:13 |
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| * mgedmin uses dovecot + offlineimap + mutt + also sometimes random other IMAP clients + sometimes ssh to the mail server + mutt | 17:13 | |
| RST38h | mgedmin: neither does pine really | 17:13 |
| markwaters | anyone fancy compiling zfone for diablo ? http://zfoneproject.com/index.html | 17:13 |
| Veggen | mgedmin: Well. better than a few of the imap servers. | 17:14 |
| * aquatix uses claws-mail and occassionally... alpine | 17:14 | |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Although I tried it with ~5000 text-only messages (aka spam) and it behaved nicely | 17:14 |
| Veggen | mgedmin: I tend to leave the large folders open *all the time*, because it's mainly an initialization issue, and it works once you've opened it. | 17:14 |
| mgedmin | yes | 17:14 |
| * RST38h vaguely remembers that mutt keeps each email as a file and represents folders with system directories | 17:14 | |
| mgedmin | and there's the mutt headers cache thingy that's supposed to speed things up, only I'm too lazy to figure it out | 17:15 |
| RST38h | While pine uses files for folders and stics all folder messages into those files | 17:15 |
| Veggen | RST38h: that's a feature of Maildir, not mutt per se. | 17:15 |
| RST38h | So, a multi-MB message slows pine to a crawl | 17:15 |
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| aquatix | RST38h: yeah, that's maildirs vs mail folders | 17:15 |
| mgedmin | mutt supports both maildirs and mailboxes | 17:15 |
| RST38h | ah | 17:15 |
| mgedmin | in my experiments mailboxes were faster than maildirs, strangely | 17:15 |
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| RST38h | pine may support both as well by now, have not checked | 17:15 |
| mgedmin | at least the initial folder opening | 17:15 |
| aquatix | ah yeah, s/mail folders/mailboxes | 17:15 |
| aquatix | RST38h: it does, iirc | 17:15 |
| aquatix | alpine works fine with mailboxes with 20k messages | 17:16 |
| aquatix | only deleting random of those takes time | 17:16 |
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| rm_you | i'm at 3500 in my inbox (i clean out every few months) and claws-mail works nicely | 17:16 |
| * RST38h suspects that the right way would be to keep attachments as files while keeping message bodies in mailboxes | 17:16 | |
| aquatix | rm_you: claws is really fast indeed | 17:17 |
| darkblue_B | does anyone know if you can adjust the volume of the media player (mplayer?) from the shell? | 17:17 |
| lbt | aquatix: mgedmin: are you talking on the N800 or on a desktop? | 17:17 |
| aquatix | lbt: i use claws on both | 17:18 |
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| aquatix | [i have an n810 though ;) ] | 17:18 |
| lbt | I'm using thunderbird on the desktop with cyrus imap on celeron. I have 160209 mails in the lkml folder... | 17:19 |
| rm_you | yeah i use icedove on desktop | 17:19 |
| lbt | rm_you: me too... | 17:20 |
| aquatix | alpine opened a mailbox with 2331 messages in 2 seconds | 17:20 |
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| * mgedmin updates his reflashing instructions at http://mg.pov.lt/770/reflash-n800.html | 17:20 | |
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| * aquatix rather likes claws-mail, but icedove/thunderbird is nice too indeed | 17:21 | |
| mgedmin | it's nice how OS updates made a lot of steps no longer needed | 17:21 |
| mgedmin | (e.g. red-pill mode for installing openssh) | 17:21 |
| johnx | I think that was a change in openssh packaging | 17:21 |
| mgedmin | lbt: specifically, talking about what? | 17:21 |
| mgedmin | mutt's speed opening huge mailboxes, or what mail readers I use? | 17:22 |
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| mgedmin | desktop, and both | 17:22 |
| lbt | mail etc | 17:22 |
| mgedmin | on the n810 I usually use ssh + mutt | 17:22 |
| mgedmin | sometimes I try to use modest | 17:22 |
| lbt | just commenting that my icedove/cyrus setup is very nice | 17:22 |
| Veggen | Hm. Somewhat nice weather. Gotta go home, flash my n810, and take it out to check the improved GPS handling, today ;) | 17:22 |
| mgedmin | recently I tried to use thunderbird on a laptop | 17:22 |
| lbt | allows me to use webmail away from home | 17:22 |
| lbt | benefit of imap :) | 17:23 |
| aquatix | indeed :) | 17:23 |
| mgedmin | jikes, my fingers are too used to pressing 'j' to go to the next email, and that's "mark as spam" in thunderbird | 17:23 |
| mgedmin | ouch | 17:23 |
| aquatix | ah yes, Junk... | 17:23 |
| lbt | ^z | 17:23 |
| aquatix | mgedmin: reconfigure that shortcut? ;) | 17:23 |
| mgedmin | sylpheed had a mutt keybindings theme, which almost made me fall in love with it | 17:23 |
| mgedmin | but then sylpheed had a few too many buglets | 17:23 |
| jott | hmm the 4.1 scratchbox installer script uses "http://scratchbox.org/debian/ maemo4-sdk" instead of the more recent "stable" that 4.0.1 uses | 17:23 |
| aquatix | mgedmin: try claws-mail? | 17:23 |
| mgedmin | yes, didn't like it | 17:24 |
| mgedmin | aesthetically | 17:24 |
| aquatix | ah, k | 17:24 |
| * aquatix uses a tango icon theme @ his desktop | 17:24 | |
| aquatix | on my tablet i cope | 17:24 |
| mgedmin | sylpheed looked like a gnome program; claws used custom controls to make it look more like a win32 program | 17:24 |
| mgedmin | the tree widget still gives me nightmares | 17:24 |
| aquatix | :) | 17:24 |
| mgedmin | I guess I'm just too used to mutt to switch, although I tried several times... | 17:25 |
| aquatix | :) | 17:25 |
| aquatix | well, just keep using mutt | 17:25 |
| aquatix | why change a winning team | 17:25 |
| * mgedmin glances at his n810 and noticed *another* click-through licence agreement stalling his application restore step :( | 17:26 | |
| rm_you | mgedmin: i think i grabbed vim from your repo, right? | 17:26 |
| aquatix | yeah, those suck :/ | 17:26 |
| rm_you | yes, that is very annoying | 17:26 |
| mgedmin | my beef with mutt is that when I'm editing a reply I can't read the other emails in the thread without opening another instance | 17:26 |
| mgedmin | rm_you: yes | 17:26 |
| mgedmin | hence the horrible packaging quality | 17:26 |
| rm_you | mgedmin: you have issues with backspace not working, and arrow keys generating letters instead of moving? | 17:26 |
| mgedmin | a version number of "70", ick | 17:27 |
| mgedmin | rm_you: only if I invoke 'vi' instead of 'vim' | 17:27 |
| rm_you | <_< | 17:27 |
| mgedmin | or maybe if I lose my ~/.vimrc with helpful options like :set bs=2 " make backspace work | 17:27 |
| rm_you | vim testfile | 17:27 |
| rm_you | if i go into insert mode and type "test" and try to left-arrow to the beginning, it puts D<newline> | 17:28 |
| aquatix | if you type `vi', you open the oldskool vi | 17:28 |
| t_s_o | hmm, where have the keyboard layout files gone? | 17:28 |
| aquatix | or rather, vim in oldschool mode | 17:28 |
| mgedmin | rm_you: <esc> :set nocp <enter> and try again | 17:28 |
| mgedmin | or create a ~/.vimrc file so that vim always starts up in non-compatible mode | 17:28 |
| rm_you | ah nocp | 17:28 |
| rm_you | what is nocp | 17:28 |
| mgedmin | :help 'nocp | 17:28 |
| rm_you | ah | 17:28 |
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| qwerty12 | Hey, does a dpkg-repack binary exist for the tablet? | 17:29 |
| johnx | qwerty12, I'm not aware of one. it depends on a lot of stuff | 17:29 |
| johnx | do you have a debian/ubuntu desktop handy? | 17:29 |
| rm_you | mgedmin: what does your whole vimrc look like? | 17:30 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, Livecd count? :D | 17:30 |
| rm_you | also, does syntax highlighting not work? | 17:30 |
| mgedmin | rm_you: messy and convoluted :-) | 17:30 |
| mgedmin | rm_you: :syntax enable | 17:30 |
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| johnx | qwerty12, hmm...installing dpkg-repack pulls in dpkg-dev which pulls in build-essential IIRC | 17:30 |
| johnx | qwerty12, so maybe if you have a lot of RAM :D | 17:30 |
| rm_you | mgedmin: doesnt seem to work? and i thought it was syntax on | 17:30 |
| mgedmin | hmm, mmpc is not installable...? | 17:31 |
| mgedmin | rm_you: both ought to work (syntax on = syntax enable + reset the color scheme to the default) | 17:31 |
| jott | qwerty12: i once build dpkg-repack it needs some patches.. i wonder if it's still around somewhere | 17:31 |
| rm_you | mgedmin: not working | 17:31 |
| rm_you | it doesnt FAIL explicitly... | 17:31 |
| rm_you | just doesnt do any highlighting | 17:31 |
| mgedmin | what sort of syntax did you expect? | 17:32 |
| rm_you | .sh files? | 17:32 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, Heh, probably counts me out >.<. Ah well, I still have my diablo rootfs with the leaked nokia stuff on my MMC, I can mount that when I next reinstall linux :) | 17:32 |
| mgedmin | did you start with an empty file with no extension? | 17:32 |
| rm_you | typical vim syntax highlight? | 17:32 |
| rm_you | no | 17:32 |
| mgedmin | hmm | 17:32 |
| rm_you | vim'ed a .sh | 17:32 |
| rm_you | nothing | 17:32 |
| mgedmin | :syn on ought to Just Work then... let me try | 17:32 |
| jott | qwerty12: you could also nfs mount or chroot into debian etc, and use dpkg-repack --root option | 17:32 |
| aquatix | alias vi='vim' | 17:33 |
| hrw | ~blame onne for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2867 | 17:33 |
| * infobot blames tlacuache and perhaps onne for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2867 and all the evil in the world | 17:33 | |
| qwerty12 | jott, Good idea, thanks, I've got debian on the mmc. | 17:33 |
| ccooke | your vim package may be missing the sytanx definitions | 17:33 |
| mgedmin | rm_you: worksforme | 17:33 |
| mgedmin | ccooke: my (horrible) vim package has them | 17:33 |
| rm_you | hrm | 17:33 |
| mgedmin | does :setf sh help? | 17:34 |
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| ccooke | mgedmin: good! :-) | 17:34 |
| rm_you | definitely not working. anything else that could cause it to fail? | 17:34 |
| rm_you | mgedmin: no | 17:34 |
| crashanddie | Question | 17:34 |
| mgedmin | rm_you: does :ver say "Compiled by Marius Gedminas <marius@gedmin.as>" ? | 17:34 |
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| jott | hrw: arg, still not fixed!? | 17:34 |
| killfill | hey! | 17:34 |
| mgedmin | just to see we're testing the same package | 17:34 |
| killfill | RX-34_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin <--- thats the new firmware? | 17:34 |
| * jott adds another curse | 17:34 | |
| crashanddie | Is using a USB-hub necessary in order to use a usb wifi adapter ? | 17:35 |
| killfill | why does it say 4.2008?.. thats april 2008 isnit?... its june now... | 17:35 |
| mgedmin | no libglade2-0 in diablo? | 17:35 |
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| jott | hrw: haha did they really decrease it to 128k? | 17:35 |
| hrw | killfill: they had it working in April and then did QA? | 17:35 |
| hrw | jott: or to 10 contacts... who knows... | 17:35 |
| killfill | heh.. cound be.. | 17:35 |
| mgedmin | killfill: IIRC they always just incremented that number | 17:35 |
| aquatix | or maemo 4? :) | 17:36 |
| rm_you | mgedmin: that was it... it works now | 17:36 |
| mgedmin | it's the 2008.23 that means "week 23 of the year 2008" | 17:36 |
| killfill | just wanted to check im not downloading an older version.. :P | 17:36 |
| rm_you | mgedmin: i had daylessday's build... i had been flipping back and forth trying to get either to work with arrows/backspace, and apparently landed on the wrong one | 17:36 |
| mgedmin | the download page has a helpful bold text saying this is the latest one | 17:36 |
| mgedmin | rm_you: mhm, do you thing a default /etc/vimrc would be helpful? | 17:37 |
| rm_you | mgedmin: very yes | 17:37 |
| rm_you | with at least bs=2 and nocp | 17:37 |
| mgedmin | or should it stay compatible with vim everywhere, where you get completely stupid ancient compatible behaviour by default? | 17:37 |
| * mgedmin wishes someone organised a maemo packaging sprint | 17:37 | |
| rm_you | i would attend that :P | 17:37 |
| mgedmin | I've a bunch of crappy packages in my repo that are good enough for my own use (hence my repo), but aren't good enough for Extras | 17:38 |
| rm_you | anyway... happy! i can now actually use vim on my tablet and not be aggravated :P | 17:38 |
| * qwerty12 would come with gun and shoot you down and take my time and still win the sprint | 17:38 | |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: I'm in. Would you like to setup a wiki page for that? I'll help. | 17:38 |
| mgedmin | X-Fade: I could organise some office space during a weekend, provided everyone agrees to come to Vilnius for the sprint ;-) | 17:39 |
| mgedmin | rm_you: you asked for my .vimrc | 17:39 |
| rm_you | yes | 17:39 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: Heh... | 17:39 |
| rm_you | lol | 17:39 |
| * rm_you is very sad he lives in the US, on a regular basis. | 17:40 | |
| timeless | andre___: ping | 17:40 |
| timeless | re bugzilla/modest | 17:40 |
| timeless | andre: i'm going into scrollback (been in and out all day) | 17:40 |
| andre___ | timeless, pong | 17:40 |
| andre___ | nice :) | 17:40 |
| timeless | ok, will enter scrollback after this conversation | 17:40 |
| timeless | hrm | 17:40 |
| timeless | yuck | 17:40 |
| mgedmin | rm_you: here it is: http://maemo.pastey.net/90002 | 17:40 |
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| timeless | so, when we (mostly me, i virtually dictated) | 17:41 |
| timeless | rebuilt bugs.maemo, we changed things to use general terms | 17:41 |
| andre___ | timeless, and that is a GOOD concept | 17:41 |
| timeless | the browser product could have been named something else | 17:41 |
| andre___ | i read that, yupp | 17:41 |
| timeless | but it was intentionally not | 17:41 |
| timeless | having Email and Modest in the Communication component is a problem | 17:41 |
| andre___ | but we already have a "Modest" component, which surprised me | 17:41 |
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| timeless | yeah | 17:41 |
| timeless | so two things | 17:42 |
| timeless | 1. bugzilla.mozilla.org has a component dedicated to changes to bugzilla | 17:42 |
| timeless | among other things we use it to enable public tracking of changes | 17:42 |
| timeless | this means people can easily see "oh, X was created by Y on Z because ..." | 17:42 |
| timeless | this transparency and public logging is very valuable | 17:43 |
| rm_you | mgedmin: what are: "is" "ruler" "mouse=a"? :P | 17:43 |
| andre___ | we also have that in gnome too, yeah | 17:43 |
| rm_you | :help command isn't working :/ | 17:43 |
| timeless | anyway, that people in bugs.maemo are randomly creating things | 17:43 |
| timeless | and randomly making changes is problematic | 17:43 |
| mgedmin | rm_you: you know about :help, don't you... wait, whaddayamean "isn't working"? | 17:43 |
| timeless | there was someone who created an internet video call product | 17:43 |
| timeless | this was bad | 17:43 |
| qwerty12 | ~lart windows flasher. it turned off my rd-mode :( | 17:43 |
| * infobot blames windows flasher. it turned off my rd-mode :( for all the evil in the world | 17:43 | |
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| timeless | and if i were a despot, i'd have killed that person | 17:43 |
| RST38h | Folks, who can confirm if AGPS is present in the Diablo release and if it works? | 17:43 |
| timeless | it should have been in Multimedia | 17:44 |
| RST38h | timeless: you wouldn't torture? | 17:44 |
| rm_you | mgedmin: wait, sorry, last time i tried was with daylessday's build | 17:44 |
| summatusmentis | it is there, it sort of works | 17:44 |
| timeless | rst38h: no time | 17:44 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: It is not present, you need to download it. But it does work :) | 17:44 |
| rm_you | mgedmin: it does work with yours | 17:44 |
| summatusmentis | RST38h: ^ | 17:44 |
| timeless | i'm a busy person | 17:44 |
| rm_you | wow, his build was very broken :P | 17:44 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: It is still a beta version. | 17:44 |
| summatusmentis | oh, X-Fade, right, download it :) | 17:44 |
| RST38h | timeless: that's a lame excuse | 17:44 |
| timeless | besides, people can be replaced | 17:44 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Is it officially downloadable though? | 17:44 |
| timeless | anyway... | 17:44 |
| summatusmentis | RST38h: yeah | 17:44 |
| RST38h | yeeaaaaahhhh! | 17:45 |
| timeless | what i'd suggest is that we take the old email component rename it to something and rename modest to Email | 17:45 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Yes, will show up in application manager. | 17:45 |
| timeless | but give me a bit to investigate some details | 17:45 |
| andre___ | timeless, that's what i also have in mind | 17:45 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: perfect =) | 17:45 |
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| timeless | andre: i think i'd actually recommend by creating or using a component to log such things | 17:45 |
| RST38h | why not delete the old Email component from the bug tracker? | 17:45 |
| timeless | so that we set the precedent for that | 17:45 |
| timeless | rst38h: because it has bugs | 17:45 |
| timeless | Component: Email | 17:45 |
| hrw | does someone know a method to import vcards into maemo contacts? | 17:45 |
| andre___ | RST38h, i wouldn't do that | 17:46 |
| timeless | Sorry, there are 65 bugs outstanding for this component. You must reassign those bugs to another component before you can delete this one. | 17:46 |
| hrw | working method | 17:46 |
| RST38h | timeless: yes but is it still supported? | 17:46 |
| timeless | it doesn't matter | 17:46 |
| andre___ | RST38h, you only lose information by deleting things | 17:46 |
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| timeless | it's absolutely illegal to delete bugs | 17:46 |
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| RST38h | andre: Well, you can put it away rather than kill completely | 17:46 |
| timeless | if i report a bug today, i should be able to come back 10 years later and see what happened to it | 17:46 |
| andre___ | RST38h, well - to some other component, yes ;-) | 17:46 |
| timeless | if you delete my bug, you've violated my trust | 17:46 |
| RST38h | andre: Rename it to mail2007 or something | 17:46 |
| andre___ | that's basically renaming | 17:46 |
| timeless | anyway, that's renaming | 17:46 |
| RST38h | and rename modest to mail | 17:46 |
| timeless | bmo is growing a Graveyard classification and product soon | 17:46 |
| timeless | rst38h: that's what both andre and i are planning | 17:47 |
| RST38h | timeless: or Attic | 17:47 |
| timeless | please read first | 17:47 |
| RST38h | Attic is a better name, more generally accepted | 17:47 |
| timeless | rst38h: i already won, graveyard :) | 17:47 |
| RST38h | timeless <-- definitely feels like a tyrant tonight =) | 17:47 |
| timeless | http://www.gerv.net/temp/bmo-reorg.html | 17:47 |
| rm_you | mgedmin: wow, all of those options are awesome | 17:48 |
| RST38h | can't open it until this IPTU run finishes | 17:48 |
| timeless | rst38h: consider that i usually have spent years developing my views | 17:48 |
| RST38h | timeless: Most tyrants are pretty old guys =) | 17:48 |
| timeless | but anyway... | 17:48 |
| timeless | in this position here, i'm offering advice | 17:48 |
| RST38h | You should reconsider torture as a worthy pastime though =) | 17:48 |
| timeless | since andre's the owner | 17:48 |
| timeless | isn't torture something for the young? | 17:49 |
| andre___ | ...but you have much more knowledge ;-) | 17:49 |
| qwerty12 | timeless, Nah, just get a gun or knife, much more quicker | 17:49 |
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| RST38h | timeless: the reorg proposal looks reasonable | 17:49 |
| timeless | andre: re OMPL yeah, it's a browser bug | 17:49 |
| mgedmin | what the...? | 17:49 |
| timeless | qwerty12: i donm't like licenses, i don't even have a driver's license :) | 17:50 |
| andre___ | hmm, okay - going to retest that later on when i've installed diablo | 17:50 |
| aquatix | license to ill | 17:50 |
| mgedmin | I clicked on the statusbar extension arrow (or whachamacallit), and now my UI is semi-frozen | 17:50 |
| timeless | andre: there are two different things | 17:50 |
| timeless | 1. the browser can gateway to the feed reader | 17:50 |
| qwerty12 | timeless, Heh. But I never heard of knife license :P :) | 17:50 |
| mgedmin | I can access the popup menus of the two applets on the extender statusbar bar, minimize app windows, but I can't touch regular applets or open the apps menu | 17:51 |
| mgedmin | and I can't switch or unminimize apps | 17:51 |
| timeless | 2. the browser can render xml of all flavors internally | 17:51 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: a big hammer or axe will do ;) | 17:51 |
| andre___ | timeless, comment on the report so not only /me knows better now :) | 17:51 |
| timeless | but anyway... | 17:51 |
| rm_you | mgedmin: that happens >_> | 17:52 |
| rm_you | mgedmin: it is buggy | 17:52 |
| qwerty12 | w00t, thanks nokia for the kernel-source-diablo. Time to put some of my chinook kernel stuff over. | 17:53 |
| macoute_ | is it possible to just flash diablos kernel? | 17:53 |
| macoute_ | or is there some more magic in flashing? | 17:53 |
| qwerty12 | It's in a FIASCO image, your favourite flasher will handle the kernel stuff. | 17:53 |
| qwerty12 | While flashing normally. | 17:54 |
| mgedmin | I think you also need to flash the initfs, or you may end up with an unbootable tablet? | 17:54 |
| macoute_ | qwerty12: but if i dont want to flash, only install the kernel (which is afaik all i need?) | 17:54 |
| macoute_ | mgedmin: that too, of course | 17:54 |
| * timeless ponders | 17:54 | |
| qwerty12 | macoute_, boot into linux and read up on flasher-3.0 then | 17:54 |
| X-Fade | macoute_: initfs size changed, so you need to change more. | 17:55 |
| * timeless should have marked that bug as an enhancement | 17:55 | |
| qwerty12 | mgedmin, I used chinook initfs and diablo kernel for a while. and diablo initfs and chinook kernel. | 17:55 |
| qwerty12 | Both booted fine. | 17:55 |
| qwerty12 | Of course, the diablo initfs was a concotion of my own though at the time :/ | 17:55 |
| timeless | ARG | 17:55 |
| crashanddie | hey lcuk, you around ? | 17:55 |
| timeless | my browser ate my bug comment | 17:55 |
| macoute_ | qwerty12: how did you upgraded? | 17:55 |
| qwerty12 | macoute_, Reflashed. | 17:55 |
| macoute_ | qwerty12: ok. | 17:56 |
| mgedmin | hungry browsers are not friendly | 17:56 |
| jott | well at least we can provide custom user installable kernels as .install files now ;) | 17:56 |
| macoute_ | my other option was to flash the inner memory and then copy it over to sd, which contains my fs now too :) | 17:56 |
| rm_you | i'm using official diablo from today, and the old initfs from fanoush | 17:56 |
| rm_you | and it works fine | 17:56 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, no | 17:56 |
| rm_you | macoute_: i just followed this guide for root on sd, and it worked nicely: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631 | 17:57 |
| macoute_ | well i doubt nokia changes anything in the initfs | 17:57 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, oh, ok, I'll wait 'till you get here then | 17:57 |
| qwerty12 | jott, until nokia releases a new one :/ | 17:57 |
| lcuk | ok ill be back from work after 630ish | 17:57 |
| crashanddie | uk time ? | 17:57 |
| rm_you | macoute_: just had to rename / symlink the newest fanoush initfs to the correct name for the flasher script | 17:57 |
| lcuk | 2 1/2 hours | 17:57 |
| macoute_ | rm_you: yeah i know, but i meant that upgrading my now-on-sd root with a reflashed inner memory | 17:57 |
| lcuk | from now | 17:57 |
| t_s_o | hmm, is it me or have the xkb files gone fully mia? | 17:57 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, k :) Cheers | 17:57 |
| rm_you | kk | 17:57 |
| rm_you | well i need to sleep | 17:57 |
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| rm_you | now 8AM here | 17:57 |
| aquatix | rm_you: g'night | 17:57 |
| aquatix | ah, g'morning ;) | 17:58 |
| qwerty12 | shitfuck, why does the windows flasher insist on removing my rd mode. | 17:58 |
| * rm_you sleeps | 17:58 | |
| jott | qwerty12: depends on the version you give to your package ;) | 17:58 |
| macoute_ | windows flasher probably aint even a flasher, so slow it is | 17:58 |
| macoute_ | we just talked about it today | 17:58 |
| macoute_ | compared to linux-flasher, that is | 17:58 |
| qwerty12 | jott, fair enough. I don't think Nokia will beat kernel-diablo-999.9999 :P | 17:58 |
| mgedmin | t_s_o: where are you looking for them? | 17:58 |
| t_s_o | that may be it, i dont recall where they should be :P | 17:59 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: aw, no kernel-diablo-666? | 17:59 |
| t_s_o | but i think i have tried just about every X11 related dir i can think of, and nothing... | 17:59 |
| jott | aquatix: that was my first thought too ;) | 17:59 |
| aquatix | missed opportunity :) | 17:59 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix, I may be near enough: http://i26.tinypic.com/2znv3gx.png :/ | 18:00 |
| timeless | andre: so... i guess hold on | 18:00 |
| mgedmin | t_s_o: /usr/share/X11/xkb | 18:00 |
| aquatix | lol | 18:00 |
| andre___ | timeless, ok | 18:00 |
| t_s_o | gah, missed that one. thanks | 18:00 |
| timeless | andre, https://bugs.maemo.org/editcomponents.cgi?product=Multimedia | 18:00 |
| timeless | see how i handled the A/V players :) | 18:00 |
| andre___ | ah, video player | 18:00 |
| andre___ | yupp | 18:00 |
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| timeless | hi dougt, i need to ping you elsewhere | 18:00 |
| aquatix | why does the load applet hide itself when screenshotting? | 18:01 |
| aquatix | it's weird | 18:01 |
| andre___ | timeless: it's a pitty you cannot disable entering new bugs for components, just for products | 18:01 |
| aquatix | </random_question> | 18:01 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix, Maybe to inform it's actually doing it? :P. You can disable that from the source. | 18:01 |
| timeless | andre: if necessary we can move them to a graveyard | 18:01 |
| aquatix | good point | 18:01 |
| timeless | i figured it wasn't necessary | 18:01 |
| timeless | but i could have if it really was | 18:01 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: but it could also pop up a notification after it's done | 18:01 |
| aquatix | now it's missing from the shot | 18:01 |
| t_s_o | got to love bluetooth keyboard that rely on software to remap their keyboard layout when its anything but normal, thanks mgedmin | 18:01 |
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| timeless | andre: a warning if you ever do choose to move a component across products | 18:02 |
| andre___ | it will happen... | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix, true. Could be a little something for me to take a quick look into. | 18:02 |
| timeless | you need to do it as a grid | 18:02 |
| timeless | basically run this chart: | 18:02 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: consider it a small request :) | 18:02 |
| aquatix | not that important, mind | 18:02 |
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| timeless | product=_product_, component=_component_, x-axis=_version, y-axis=_target-milestone_ | 18:03 |
| timeless | err | 18:03 |
| timeless | product=_product_, component=_component_, x-axis=version, y-axis=target-milestone | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix, will do, after i've finished reinstalling ftd :/ | 18:03 |
| timeless | you need to move things from each square in the matrix individually | 18:03 |
| timeless | otherwise bad things will happen | 18:04 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: no hurry :) | 18:04 |
| timeless | before you start moving, make sure that all the necessary versions and target milestones exist in the new product | 18:04 |
| andre___ | ah, thanks | 18:04 |
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| * aquatix wonders whether there are christian maemo users which will refuse upgrading to Diablo | 18:05 | |
| t_s_o | there, now i think im back up to speed | 18:05 |
| bmr | hi folks, see this has come up here before but not finding a definitive resolution in the logs | 18:05 |
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| bmr | I'm using scummvm (0.11.1) on the n810/os2008 and not getting music/sound effects | 18:06 |
| qwerty12 | <whisper> will a version of ftd that actually has a working battery information section be released </whisper> | 18:06 |
| qwerty12 | *? | 18:06 |
| bmr | if anyone's gotten that to work, I'd be very glad if they'd like to swap notes :-) | 18:06 |
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| jott | qwerty12: did you try to run it with a diablo initfs? | 18:06 |
| mgedmin | qwerty12: what was that, I couldn't hear you? | 18:07 |
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| qwerty12 | jott, I've been using a diablo initfs for a while (I ripped testserver out of the old ones to let me flash it ) and it still didn't work. | 18:07 |
| t_s_o | hmm, how often does the app manager check for updates? i cant seem to see any setting... | 18:07 |
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| qwerty12 | mgedmin, s/<whisper>/<shout> :P | 18:07 |
| timeless | andre: ok, so the only problem we have is that the old mail client didn't have a useful name | 18:07 |
| crashanddie | t_s_o, force it to update | 18:07 |
| timeless | let's see if we can find one :) | 18:07 |
| mgedmin | ok, time to panic again | 18:08 |
| mgedmin | the wonderful new modest in diablo doesn't allow me to change my incoming mail settings | 18:08 |
| mgedmin | all the fields are disabled and not editable | 18:08 |
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| t_s_o | crashanddie: sure, but i was thinking about that updates indicator thats supposed to show up in the statusbar when something new have come out. and i guessed it was related to the app manager somehow | 18:08 |
| mgedmin | and then it claims the server name or port number is incorrect | 18:08 |
| timeless | andre: the simplest solution i can offer is Email 1 | 18:09 |
| timeless | i think that'd sort after Email | 18:09 |
| timeless | which is what we really need | 18:09 |
| timeless | but let's see if there was a codename floating around | 18:09 |
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| andre___ | "Email (old)" maybe | 18:10 |
| qwerty12 | I remember when using *cough* diablo beta *cough*, I remember it being called osso-email-old ;) | 18:10 |
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| aquatix | fossil_email ;) | 18:10 |
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| jott | junkmail? | 18:11 |
| aquatix | ghehe | 18:11 |
| crashanddie | I want a pimping app on the NIT | 18:11 |
| aquatix | jott: that might confuse people ;) | 18:11 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: apt-porn? | 18:11 |
| crashanddie | something cutting edge, never seen before, only available on the NIT | 18:11 |
| aquatix | oh :) | 18:11 |
| * aquatix likes canola2 | 18:11 | |
| qwerty12 | aquatix, Great, where's the binary? :P | 18:11 |
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| crashanddie | heh... if apt-porn comes out, I'd rather not having "cutting edge", might be painful | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | I'll get out my magic stick and make this pimpin apps. | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | *app | 18:12 |
| mgedmin | okay, my problem magically disappeared | 18:12 |
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| crashanddie | qwerty12, yeah, get to work, lazy potato ! | 18:12 |
| mgedmin | crashanddie: NumptyPhysics! | 18:12 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: Maybe it was checking for new mail? | 18:12 |
| crashanddie | mgedmin, finished it | 18:12 |
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| aquatix | hm, there was some apt-porn like program | 18:13 |
| aquatix | maybe it's called differently | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | wget? | 18:13 |
| mgedmin | well, not precisely "never seen before", but definitely a big hit with everyone | 18:13 |
| aquatix | lol | 18:13 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: curl :P | 18:13 |
| crashanddie | xvideos ? | 18:13 |
| aquatix | no, something with apt | 18:13 |
| aquatix | meh | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | apt-xxx | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | apt-xxx stream tiny-knob | 18:14 |
| aquatix | aaanyway | 18:14 |
| * qwerty12 apologises in advance | 18:14 | |
| macoute_ | aquatix: yeah, apt-porn was there | 18:15 |
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| aquatix | macoute_: ah, i'm not getting senile after all :) | 18:15 |
| Sho_ | Could anyone with Diablo give me the browser's user agent string? | 18:15 |
| macoute_ | aquatix: or then we are the two old pervs here :P | 18:15 |
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| mgedmin | Sho_: do you have a webserver that I could visit? | 18:16 |
| trickie|work | crashanddie: maybe http://www.marceloeduardo.com/blog/design/user-interface-design/carman-is-also-alive-news-upcoming-update | 18:16 |
| trickie|work | when its available | 18:16 |
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| t_s_o | mgedmin: i found the same mail account issue here. what i did was dive into gconf to find, under apps/modest/server_accounts, some checkboxes labeled username_succeeded. when i uncheck those i can edit the account settings again... | 18:17 |
| lbt | when the NIT asks for a dhcp address, it doesn't seem to provide its hostname so my dynamic dns doesn't get updated... | 18:17 |
| lbt | is this a known issue? | 18:17 |
| Sho_ | mgedmin: Sadly I wouldn't have access to the logs atm | 18:17 |
| X-Fade | Sho_: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv6l; nl-NL; rv:1.9a6pre) Gecko/20080606 Firefox/3.0a1 Tablet browser 0.3.7 RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14 | 18:17 |
| mgedmin | Sho_: any website that gives you back your request headers? | 18:17 |
| macoute_ | lbt: should it provide its hostname on dhcp? :o | 18:18 |
| Sho_ | mgedmin: www.whatsmyuseragent.com, but X-Fade was faster :) | 18:18 |
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| Sho_ | X-Fade: thanks! | 18:18 |
| crashanddie | useragent.org :P | 18:18 |
| lbt | ah yes | 18:18 |
| lbt | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2758 | 18:18 |
| lbt | it should indeed | 18:18 |
| macoute_ | lbt: why doesnt the dhcp(/dns) give it its hostname? :) | 18:18 |
| mgedmin | lbt: then again the hostname is something like Nokia-N810-23-14 | 18:18 |
| * Sho_ was just curious if they had finally updated the Gecko build to something non-alpha | 18:18 | |
| mgedmin | which doesn't seem to be very helpful | 18:18 |
| hrw | bye | 18:18 |
| lbt | that bug says it all | 18:18 |
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| Sho_ | odd that they have Firefox 3.0a1 in the UAS with a Gecko build from June '08 | 18:19 |
| lbt | ie when you name your device it should update hostname, bluetooth and dhcp | 18:19 |
| Sho_ | somebody not paying attention I guess | 18:19 |
| mgedmin | hey, what if I want my hostname (mg-n810) to be different from the bluetooth name (Mg N810)? | 18:19 |
| macoute_ | lbt: oh, that is a bug. i understood wrongly | 18:19 |
| lbt | where's the source, I'll fix it... | 18:19 |
| timeless | http://web-sniffer.net/ | 18:20 |
| crashanddie | trickie|work, nice, but I don't have a car that supports this :P | 18:20 |
| killfill | greate. got the flash done.. :P | 18:20 |
| crashanddie | mgedmin, change the name in the bluetooth property ? | 18:21 |
| trickie|work | crashanddie: me either, but it looks cool :) | 18:21 |
| crashanddie | trickie|work, sure does | 18:21 |
| trickie|work | crashanddie: apparently there is also some sort of emulator thingo | 18:21 |
| * timeless loves css | 18:21 | |
| trickie|work | maybe be able to pimp some nice efl graphics | 18:21 |
| LoCusF_ | damn lost the terminus fonts with diablo upgrade | 18:22 |
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| mgedmin | either the browser panning is much faster, or I'm imagining things because I read in the announcement that it is much faster :-) | 18:22 |
| LoCusF_ | anyone got the binary? | 18:22 |
| LoCusF_ | or deb? | 18:23 |
| qwerty12 | The device name is actually determined from the bluez name, in a roundabout way. I posted up a command to change the device name using dbus-send which sends it all to dbus and my device name changes :/ | 18:23 |
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| mgedmin | the app manager improvements are nice (red X signs next to repositories that failed to update) | 18:23 |
| mgedmin | there are weird rendering bugs, but google reader feels faster | 18:24 |
| oilinki | browse installable application. in my list there is about 15 items, even if I enabled the maemo extras | 18:26 |
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| oilinki | is this the way it should be? I wish to install ssh at the start | 18:26 |
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| mgedmin | here: http://mg.pov.lt/diablo-browser-scrolling-garbage.png | 18:27 |
| oilinki | (and sorry, I assume everyone is talking about diablo :) | 18:28 |
| lbt | oilinki: you need to go into the appsmgr->tools->app catalogue and select extras. Enable it and type "chinook" into the Distribution box. The diablo extras isn't there yet | 18:28 |
| mgedmin | oilinki: the extras repository is empty for diablo at the moment | 18:28 |
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| oilinki | lbt: ok thanks. I'll do with that | 18:28 |
| oilinki | mgedmin: thanks for the confirmation as well | 18:28 |
| mgedmin | I struggled with that issue an hour ago right here | 18:29 |
| mgedmin | :) | 18:29 |
| timeless | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Stalled-Server-Room.aspx | 18:29 |
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| glass_ | Alpakka: /window 194 | 18:29 |
| glass_ | sorry | 18:29 |
| oilinki | I might be able to help someone with the same issue tomorrow morning :) | 18:30 |
| macoute_ | heh, i flashed the wrong version :P | 18:30 |
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| * andre___ wonders whether to first flash diablo on his n810, or to start setting up his new laptop that arrived today | 18:31 | |
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| macoute_ | glass_: 194 windows? :) | 18:32 |
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| glass_ | 254 | 18:32 |
| glass_ | macoute_: i never close them | 18:32 |
| X-Fade | andre___: only takes 20 seconds :) | 18:32 |
| glass_ | macoute_: so i know by the number who it is | 18:32 |
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| macoute_ | glass_: whoa | 18:33 |
| macoute_ | whats on number 231? :P | 18:33 |
| glass_ | my sort of ex | 18:33 |
| andre___ | X-Fade, i bed my old laptop will crash in exactly these 20secs, hasn't crashed yet today ;-) | 18:33 |
| lbt | FYI: URL for people asking for diablo extras help: http://wiki.maemo.org/Installation#Diablo_Extras | 18:33 |
| macoute_ | ok, good number for her :P | 18:33 |
| macoute_ | i dont use querys at all mostly | 18:34 |
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| timeless | andre: i think calling it Email 1 is probably the best choice | 18:35 |
| timeless | the alternatives are probably too confusing | 18:35 |
| timeless | we could go w/ the way we did for Browser | 18:35 |
| mgedmin | lbt: updated to say that the backup tool does back up settings as well | 18:35 |
| timeless | and have Email, Email-modest, Email-old | 18:35 |
| mgedmin | s/updated/going to update/ | 18:35 |
| infobot | mgedmin meant: lbt: going to update to say that the backup tool does back up settings as well | 18:35 |
| timeless | where Email is the ui | 18:35 |
| timeless | but i don't think anything is gained by doing that | 18:35 |
| timeless | in the browser case, the ui was/is shared | 18:35 |
| andre___ | hmm. let me sleep on night on that... | 18:35 |
| timeless | whereas for modest, they wrote a new (presumably buggy) ui :) | 18:36 |
| * timeless nods | 18:36 | |
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| mgedmin | HAHAHAHAHAHAHA sorry can't control myself HAHAHAAHA | 18:37 |
| mgedmin | http://wiki.maemo.org tells me I'm user 127.0.0.1 | 18:38 |
| mgedmin | firewall misconfiguration? apache rewrite rules? | 18:38 |
| lbt | mgedmin: weird reverse proxy thing they have going on | 18:38 |
| timeless | it's a firewall | 18:38 |
| lbt | login | 18:38 |
| timeless | there's a second box that talks to the primary box | 18:38 |
| timeless | or at least iirc there was something like that | 18:38 |
| macoute_ | kinda unsecure :S | 18:39 |
| mgedmin | I once did that with SMTP | 18:39 |
| mgedmin | spammers found it out within hours | 18:39 |
| mgedmin | oops | 18:39 |
| macoute_ | to let the wiki think that everyone is on localhost | 18:39 |
| timeless | andre: hrm, that's odd | 18:39 |
| * timeless goes to ask some people about another bug | 18:39 | |
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| andre___ | timeless, hmm? | 18:40 |
| killfill | hm.. how do i enable sshd to enter as root from my notebook? | 18:41 |
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| macoute_ | there should be some automatic in backup manager which would recognize nokias own documents and never ask a user to replace them with older ones | 18:42 |
| sinak | hello! Can I connect to internet via usb on N800? | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | killfill: install openssh-server with the app manager | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | macoute_: yes! | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | and cached RSS feed icons | 18:42 |
| macoute_ | mgedmin: that too | 18:42 |
| killfill | thats it?.. | 18:42 |
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| mgedmin | killfill: yes | 18:42 |
| killfill | ok | 18:42 |
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| killfill | er.. how do i "apt-get update"?... looks like the menu is gone | 18:43 |
| mgedmin | it updates automatically when you edit the repository list | 18:44 |
| mgedmin | I haven't even noticed the menu item disappearin | 18:44 |
| lbt | killfill: FYI: URL for people asking for diablo extras help: http://wiki.maemo.org/Installation#Diablo_Extras | 18:45 |
| inz | I just dput new osso-statusbar-cpu to maemo-hackers (chinook) repo, should work on diablo just as well | 18:45 |
| inz | It looks a bit more like the new icon theme, but its kinda ugly | 18:46 |
| mgedmin | wait, is the diablo extras just empty, or is it nonfunctional? | 18:46 |
| mgedmin | can people upload packages to it? | 18:46 |
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| mgedmin | killfill: there's a new update button in the toolbar of the app manager | 18:47 |
| killfill | updateing is so freaking slow.. | 18:47 |
| mgedmin | that does apt-get update, afaics | 18:47 |
| jsmith | Just wanted to say thanks for anyone/everyone that helped with the Diablo release... I just loaded it on my n810, and it seems really slick | 18:47 |
| killfill | in the toolbar? | 18:47 |
| mgedmin | killfill: right, main view -> check for updates -> bottommost-right toolbar button | 18:47 |
| jsmith | killfill: Yes, updating is really slow for me too | 18:47 |
| mgedmin | hey, it was fast an hour ago, and now it's stalling | 18:47 |
| killfill | mgedmin: aAAa.. cool. | 18:48 |
| mgedmin | slashdot effect? | 18:48 |
| killfill | i would never saw it.. :P | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | dam, http://repository.maemo.org = An error occurred while processing your request. Reference #97.171add58.1214322443.59b2c072 | 18:48 |
| sinak | Can I connect to internet via usb on N800? | 18:50 |
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| glass_ | usbnet | 18:51 |
| jsmith | Now I'm getting a GPG error when I manually run "apt-get update" | 18:51 |
| glass_ | or somesuch with google should get you going | 18:51 |
| sinak | ok thank u | 18:52 |
| mgedmin | I always see GPG warnings on apt-get update | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix, I made load-applet not flash when taking screenshots. Now I just got to find a new way to notify the user, it's been taken :P | 18:55 |
| inz | qwerty, use the led! | 18:55 |
| lbt | hmm - I have an 8Gb SDHC card that appears not to be recognised anymore.... anyone else? | 18:55 |
| inz | qwerty, I once implemented led flashing to mh-shot-tool, but never released the code | 18:56 |
| qwerty12 | inz, I could do, should be a quick dbus-command , hmm... | 18:56 |
| inz | qwerty, and it was gone when my hdd died | 18:56 |
| qwerty12 | :( | 18:56 |
| inz | qwerty, you'll need to whip up a decent led pattern to /etc/mce.ini | 18:57 |
| inz | qwerty, I had it so that it blinked first once a second and then for the last second 5 times or so | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, I'm more simple. I'll just have it flash twice and let it BE GONE! :P | 18:58 |
| mgedmin | qwerty12: pop up a dialog asking for a filename | 18:58 |
| macoute_ | i'm even more simple - i turn it always off | 18:58 |
| mgedmin | screenshot00.png quickly gets old | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | mgedmin, If only I could :). I can't program, I've just picked up a few little tricks from messing with a bit of code. | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | The only program I've ever made was in python :/ | 18:59 |
| macoute_ | i did a nice program which opened up 700 excels and copypasted some information of them all to a text-file | 18:59 |
| macoute_ | the guys at work thought my laptop got a virus :) | 19:00 |
| macoute_ | well, it was more of a script | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | My favourite was changing a prank program from saying small penis alert in big red letters on the screen to tiny cock alert. | 19:01 |
| lbt | yep, having issues with my mmc card... | 19:06 |
| lbt | it's not being noticed | 19:06 |
| macoute_ | lbt: have you tried another card reader? | 19:06 |
| lbt | yep | 19:06 |
| lbt | and | 19:06 |
| lbt | dmesg sees it | 19:06 |
| lbt | and /proc/partitions sees it | 19:06 |
| lbt | I can manually mount it | 19:06 |
| lbt | dmesg also says: mmci-omap mmci-omap.1: command timeout (CMD8) | 19:07 |
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| lbt | and menelaus 1-0072: Shutting off 'VDCDC3' | 19:07 |
| lbt | all the above if I boot with the card in place | 19:08 |
| t_s_o | small annoyance with the new app manager, the update button is inactive on the main screen. one have to open one of the sub-areas before one can update :( | 19:08 |
| macoute_ | you can mount it but it doesnt "get recocnized?" | 19:09 |
| t_s_o | correction, one have to open one of the web catalog areas... | 19:09 |
| macoute_ | what then? | 19:09 |
| lbt | yes | 19:09 |
| lbt | now I remove it from internal | 19:09 |
| lbt | move to external and it's ok | 19:09 |
| lbt | move back to internal and not seen | 19:10 |
| lbt | (by gui) | 19:10 |
| macoute_ | ah, ok | 19:10 |
| macoute_ | does your internal slot recognize other cards? | 19:11 |
| lbt | it always used to be internal | 19:11 |
| lbt | it's a sandisk | 19:11 |
| lbt | FWIW | 19:11 |
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| macoute_ | but does it? | 19:11 |
| lbt | if I insert card internally and boot then it recognises this one | 19:11 |
| lbt | one moment | 19:11 |
| lbt | found a 4gb sdhc | 19:13 |
| lbt | not seen | 19:13 |
| macoute_ | internal slot is broken then? :) | 19:14 |
| mgedmin | ouch ouch ouch | 19:14 |
| macoute_ | so you should try and exchange that one with german policemen | 19:14 |
| macoute_ | :P | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | Heh | 19:16 |
| lbt | don't think so... it worked just fine until I upgraded. I just rebooted with the card in place and it is mountable. (from ssh) | 19:17 |
| lbt | IMHO this looks like a bug... | 19:17 |
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| * sinak laterz | 19:19 | |
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| qwerty12 | My tablet feels empty with only the nokia logo showing at bootup. I miss my modded diablo initfs :( | 19:20 |
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| Stskeeps | does bootmenu work fine with diablo initfs? | 19:20 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix, ping | 19:22 |
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| lbt | Does anyone else with Diablo have an SDHC card to hand? | 19:24 |
| qwerty12 | lbt, I've got an N800 with an 8GB SDHC class 2 inserted in internal. | 19:25 |
| lbt | was it inserted when you booted? | 19:25 |
| qwerty12 | Yes | 19:25 |
| lbt | can you swap it to external | 19:25 |
| lbt | and then back | 19:25 |
| qwerty12 | Ok | 19:25 |
| lbt | so long as it's not root fs :) | 19:25 |
| qwerty12 | Nope, booted from mtdblock :) | 19:25 |
| qwerty12 | *4 | 19:25 |
| qwerty12 | Swapped from internal into external, showed up fine, swapped back into internal, shows fine. | 19:26 |
| qwerty12 | (diablo btw :)) | 19:27 |
| lbt | good | 19:27 |
| lbt | mine are class 4 and class 6 | 19:27 |
| lbt | FWIW | 19:27 |
| lbt | both branded | 19:27 |
| qwerty12 | This is a Sandisk. | 19:27 |
| lbt | one of mine is too | 19:28 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix, If you ever get this message in time, I've removed the blinking icon when taking a screenshot. Instead, the led now blinks ;) | 19:28 |
| wiza | so, how do I flash n810 with intel mac | 19:28 |
| lbt | thanks qwerty12 | 19:28 |
| wiza | since flasher-2.0 is for ppc and I get: -bash: ./flasher-2.0.macosx: Bad CPU type in executable | 19:29 |
| wiza | which is logical of course | 19:29 |
| qwerty12 | No problem. I've had problems with my mmc slots before, they've sorted themselves out over reflashes and time :/ | 19:29 |
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| macoute_ | wiza: how about using the linux-one? | 19:30 |
| qwerty12 | wiza, if it's intel, grab a linux live cd | 19:30 |
| wiza | hmm, good idea | 19:30 |
| johnx | I was sure people were flashing with intel macs... | 19:30 |
| wiza | or I could just actually hook up monitor to my server and use that... | 19:30 |
| wiza | but it would be easier to just not move myself from couch and use mac | 19:30 |
| johnx | is there a way to make it run the binary with rosetta? | 19:31 |
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| wiza | damn it, before I used to curse when software was only for mac and windows and I couldn't use it on linux :D | 19:31 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, I'm running a program at init time, I'd like for the actual program to be run as "user", not root. I just thought of using "su -c" but is that recommended or is there a better way? | 19:34 |
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| johnx | someone on itt said it worked for them... | 19:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, hi. :P | 19:35 |
| macoute_ | so someone still uses nicks as away-messages | 19:35 |
| lbt | OK. I just rebooted with both cards in. /proc/partitions shows both partitions. Neither is mounted. I can manually mount both although my /etc/fstab only has mmc1 in it... | 19:35 |
| macoute_ | http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/rfc/chapter5.html#c5_1 :) | 19:35 |
| lbt | could I have an N810 image on my N800? | 19:35 |
| macoute_ | lbt: have you altered the partitions on those cards? | 19:36 |
| johnx | lbt, you would know if you did I think | 19:36 |
| lbt | well | 19:36 |
| johnx | and it probably wouldn't cause this problem | 19:36 |
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| lbt | not since I upgraded to Diablo | 19:36 |
| macoute_ | iirc nit doesnt mount it automatically if the order of the partions is wrong | 19:36 |
| lbt | and I think they are just fat32 | 19:36 |
| lbt | 99.999% sure | 19:36 |
| lbt | looking in /proc/partitions shows just 1 partition | 19:37 |
| macoute_ | ok | 19:37 |
| lbt | and mount shows one is vfat | 19:37 |
| lbt | the other msdos | 19:37 |
| lbt | should /etc/fstab have mmc1 and mmc2 entries? | 19:37 |
| macoute_ | i think they automatically appear there if nit recognizes them correctly | 19:37 |
| macoute_ | the entries, i mean | 19:38 |
| lbt | OK - wasn't sure | 19:38 |
| johnx | wiza, or use the unofficial 0xFFFF flasher | 19:38 |
| lbt | this: mmci-omap mmci-omap.1: command timeout (CMD8) | 19:38 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, what are the core sound components? The volume on my N800 is really crap compared to my modded W810 :(. I may as well pimp up the volume in source. | 19:38 |
| lbt | is worrying me | 19:38 |
| lbt | and : menelaus 1-0072: Shutting off 'VMEM' | 19:39 |
| johnx | lbt, I'm seeing that first message as well | 19:39 |
| johnx | but not the second | 19:39 |
| lbt | johnx: this: mmci-omap mmci-omap.1: command timeout (CMD8) ?? | 19:39 |
| johnx | lbt, yup | 19:40 |
| qwerty12 | lbt, which kernel are you using? | 19:40 |
| lbt | Diablo | 19:40 |
| lbt | Linux Nokia-N800-23-14 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Wed Jun 11 15:00:15 EEST 2008 armv6l unknown | 19:40 |
| lbt | aren't I? | 19:40 |
| qwerty12 | EEST means a Nokia compiled kernel. | 19:40 |
| lbt | does Diablo reflash the kernel? | 19:40 |
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| lbt | I assumed it was a complete factory restore | 19:41 |
| johnx | yes, if you flashed diablo, it flashes everything | 19:41 |
| johnx | only the lock code (and MAC addresses stay the same) | 19:42 |
| crashanddie | lock code ? | 19:42 |
| crashanddie | there's a lock code ? | 19:42 |
| lbt | poweron? | 19:42 |
| lbt | johnx: would it help if I flashed back to 2008 - I think it might... | 19:43 |
| crashanddie | diablo did drain my battery though | 19:43 |
| johnx | well it would certainly tell you whether this is a software or hardware problem | 19:43 |
| crashanddie | + i have about 50% cpu usage non stop | 19:43 |
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| crashanddie | hildon-desktop 40% cpu | 19:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | An applet is eating CPU | 19:44 |
| crashanddie | do they keep running even if they're not displayed (unchecked in applet manager) ? | 19:44 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie, They can if they are in python >.< | 19:45 |
| crashanddie | cpu speed, disk free size, net stats, wifi signal | 19:45 |
| crashanddie | uninstall ? | 19:45 |
| qwerty12 | Nah, just disable and reboot | 19:45 |
| crashanddie | k | 19:45 |
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| mgedmin | lbt: fwiw I also see mmci-omap command timeouts in dmesg | 19:47 |
| mgedmin | although both cards are mounted | 19:48 |
| qwerty12 | lbt, this is an odd suggestion but what does dbus-monitor --system say when opening the cover etc? (The mmc events are recieved by HAL which is sent to ke-recv which handles mmc mounting etc) | 19:50 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 19:51 | |
| lbt | sussed it | 19:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did any of my browser bugs ship fixed in Diablo? <_< | 19:51 |
| lbt | the mmc controller is seeing the cards - but it's closing the covers that triggers dbus messages to the ui/os | 19:52 |
| lbt | so if you insert cards and don't close the covers you can see them manually | 19:52 |
| lbt | when the cover is closed it must flick a microswitch and then the gui sees them | 19:52 |
| mgedmin | hahaha | 19:52 |
| lbt | back to diablo then... | 19:53 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, like the one where pressing d-pad center to get the fkb actually submits the form? | 19:53 |
| qwerty12 | lbt, there's a magnet which does the switch stuff | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Says the week is 23-14 | 19:53 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, guess. | 19:53 |
| mgedmin | GeneralAntilles: I'm sure if you were to verify them all and update the results in bugs.maemo.org, andre___ would be very happy | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is what I have from SSU | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | and those bugs are still there. :\ | 19:53 |
| andre___ | hehe | 19:53 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, anyways, it kinda half works here | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Those really should have been blocker bugs on Diablo shipping. <_< | 19:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | It basically makes the browser suck for N800 users. | 19:54 |
| lbt | mgedmin: qwerty12, johnx - thanks for the assist :) | 19:54 |
| * mgedmin is becoming interested in GeneralAntilles's bugs | 19:54 | |
| johnx | lbt, done with magnets actually and you're welcome :) | 19:54 |
| mgedmin | personally I hate how the down-arrow button jumps way up if you're scrolling a large text with no hyperlinks | 19:54 |
| qwerty12 | This is why we should break into nokia internal bugtracker muhahaha. I can impersonate nokia employee and make some bugs high priority :P | 19:54 |
| qwerty12 | lbt, no probs :) | 19:54 |
| mgedmin | I wonder if this one got fixed | 19:55 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, you still up for raiding Nokia armed with frozen trouts? | 19:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hell yes. | 19:55 |
| johnx | starting to seem like a good idea... | 19:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh | 19:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm too lazy to try and get this tar backup going | 19:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and too lazy to reinstall all my ish onto a freshly flashed Diablo | 19:55 |
| crashanddie | why raiding nokia with frozen trouts ? | 19:55 |
| crashanddie | I mean | 19:56 |
| crashanddie | they're finish, surely anything frozen doesn't bother them | 19:56 |
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| Ave | anyone know why I cant set osso_xterm font to "Vera Mono" even tho it is installed | 19:56 |
| mgedmin | nope, bug still present | 19:56 |
| Ave | fontconfig acting up or something | 19:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | fc-cache | 19:56 |
| johnx | crashanddie, ever been slapped in the head with a frozen trout? it doesn't matter what nationality you are, it hurts! | 19:56 |
| crashanddie | johnx, I beg to differ | 19:57 |
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| crashanddie | it wasn't a large trout | 19:57 |
| crashanddie | but it was frozen | 19:57 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, I know a nationality that would like it :p | 19:57 |
| mgedmin | yipee! the ctrl button in the xterm toolbar now acts sanely! | 19:57 |
| crashanddie | and it kinda ricocheted off my cheek | 19:57 |
| mgedmin | yay diablo developers! | 19:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1896 can't you get around that by using stage.maemo.org? | 19:57 |
| crashanddie | btw | 19:57 |
| andre___ | GeneralAntilles, wrt browser bugs: i simply expect them now to ship software updates more often | 19:57 |
| crashanddie | coincidence ? Blizzard is actually teasing people with the launch of Diablo III | 19:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre___, we'll see how that works out. | 19:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm not holding my breath, personally. | 19:58 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Not really. Stage hosts sources of only things Nokia modify. | 19:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2765 | 19:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh | 19:58 |
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| * GeneralAntilles doesn't want to troubleshoot for that bug for another 6 months. | 19:59 | |
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| RST38h | GA | 19:59 |
| RST38h | Updating NOW... | 19:59 |
| Zmiko | i finally got my N810 | 19:59 |
| crashanddie | Zmiko, congrats ! | 20:00 |
| ccooke | Zmiko: excellent. | 20:00 |
| Zmiko | Its awesome I love it | 20:01 |
| Ave | GeneralAntilles: ran, but its still not visible in the fontlist | 20:01 |
| Zmiko | flash doesn't work quite as well as I had hoped, but oh well | 20:01 |
| crashanddie | Zmiko, did you upgrade to diablo? | 20:01 |
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| Ave | Zmiko: if you want flash videos, install mytube and mplayer, smooth playback all around | 20:01 |
| Ave | this was the case in chinook, havent tried diablo flash yet | 20:02 |
| mgedmin | Ave: oh? I've noticed audio/video desynchronisation with mplayer and was pretty unhappy about that | 20:03 |
| Zmiko | i haven't upgraded yet, I don't have a usb cable | 20:04 |
| mgedmin | (with mplayer playing Flash .flv videos; other files are fine) | 20:04 |
| Zmiko | youtubes fine in canola, its the twitlive stream thats not good | 20:04 |
| Ave | hm, I havent seen too bad cases of that | 20:04 |
| mgedmin | they start okay, but desync after a few minutes | 20:04 |
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| Ave | is canola fixed yet with regards to the crawler fights? | 20:04 |
| mgedmin | and IIRC I noticed that specifically with the canola youtube plugin (as well as plain mplayer on my laptop) | 20:04 |
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| qwerty12 | mgedmin, Grab the mplayer rc2 version that Bundyo compiled. flv plays back brilliantly in that. | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | good! | 20:06 |
| mgedmin | um, is it in extras? | 20:06 |
| qwerty12 | Nope, tar.gz... | 20:06 |
| mgedmin | :( | 20:06 |
| qwerty12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18231 | 20:06 |
| mgedmin | we need that packaging sprint | 20:06 |
| mgedmin | here's a plan: sponsor travel for all package developers, get them in a room, and then LOCK THE ROOM and don't let anyone out until they upload their packages in extras | 20:07 |
| mgedmin | tell them there will be cake | 20:07 |
| wiza | flashing done, is there install file anywhere that I can install all repos | 20:07 |
| qwerty12 | wiza, highly UNRECOMMENDED but www.gronmayer.com/it | 20:08 |
| mgedmin | wiza: I'm trying to stick to just extras | 20:08 |
| mgedmin | and extras-devel | 20:08 |
| mgedmin | well, and fbreader, because I really need it | 20:08 |
| ccooke | qwerty12: what's unrecommended? | 20:08 |
| qwerty12 | Installing all the repos. | 20:08 |
| ccooke | ahh | 20:08 |
| mgedmin | ... and my on repo, because I also need vim | 20:08 |
| andre___ | GeneralAntilles, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2765 is really ugly, you faced that one too? | 20:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Back in 50 | 20:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | -2 | 20:08 |
| ccooke | is there an understanding of which repos are 'good'? | 20:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I haven't flashed Diablo yet. | 20:08 |
| thopiekar | where can i get Diablo | 20:09 |
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| Ave | hmm my diablo+restore went on smooth, all repos were restored | 20:09 |
| qwerty12 | I'm kinda pissed off that nokia didn't provide this one by ssu :( | 20:09 |
| Ave | but I wonder if I should remove chinook repos now? | 20:09 |
| mgedmin | thopiekar: http://maemo.org/downloads has links to the OS images | 20:09 |
| qwerty12 | Ave, keep chinook extras. | 20:09 |
| johnx | ccooke, ones that match your OS version and don't provide conflicting packages or try to upgrade core libs/utils | 20:09 |
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| Ave | qwerty12: ok thanks | 20:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, don't be irrational. :P | 20:10 |
| ccooke | oh, yes - now it's out... what was the username and password for the diablo repo? I never got around to looking :-) | 20:10 |
| wiza | aah, maemo-extras was disabled | 20:10 |
| mgedmin | ccooke: no password; it's released now | 20:10 |
| ccooke | (and I probably use the tablet too much to risk a beta, anyway) | 20:10 |
| ccooke | mgedmin: that's my point. what *was* the password? I'm curious :-) | 20:10 |
| mgedmin | wiza: yes, bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2765 | 20:11 |
| andre___ | mgedmin, let me get try to get more attention on that issue | 20:11 |
| mgedmin | maemo.org/downloads is still showing me ugly "click on the somthingunreadable" placeholders instead of most screenshot thumbnails | 20:11 |
| mgedmin | should I blame my ISP or maemo.org's web server? | 20:11 |
| andre___ | mgedmin, do you have an N800 or N810? | 20:12 |
| qwerty12 | ccooke, it's all out anyway, so I have no qualms in sharing (and I get rights as I was the first one to find out the password :P) : https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/apt/http-tablet-identification.patch . ( | 20:12 |
| crashanddie | how would your isp be responsible of a webserver's poor behavior ? | 20:12 |
| mgedmin | andre___: N810 | 20:12 |
| andre___ | thanks | 20:12 |
| mgedmin | crashanddie: unreasonably high packet loss | 20:12 |
| mgedmin | it happens sometimes | 20:13 |
| * GeneralAntilles stops reading the Diablo release thread. | 20:13 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Garbage. | 20:13 |
| * mgedmin followed the ITT link and saw 75 pages of web forumy things | 20:13 | |
| * mgedmin tried reading about four of the pages, then gave up | 20:13 | |
| qwerty12 | Meh, I never tried attempting anyway. All I needed to do was load up the flasher anyway and flash. What could I learn on itt about that? | 20:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | sjgadsby, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=194855&postcount=8 | 20:14 |
| ccooke | qwerty12: *laugh* | 20:15 |
| ccooke | qwerty12: nice and secure | 20:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | It wasn't about security | 20:15 |
| ccooke | no, I know | 20:15 |
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| ccooke | it seemed to me that Nokia were being pretty nice about it | 20:15 |
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| qwerty12 | what I was more surprised about was that I actually found it in there. I knew apt would be the right place to look, I jsut didn't expect to find it already there in a patch file :P | 20:16 |
| lardman | re | 20:16 |
| qwerty12 | hi lardman | 20:16 |
| lardman | hey qwerty12 | 20:16 |
| wiza | umm, now I can't download mplayer | 20:16 |
| ccooke | qwerty12: it could be said that putting it there is a tacit invitation to people who are going to the effort of finding it... | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody want to go through these and check them? http://tinyurl.com/64l4pw | 20:16 |
| wiza | maybe I should just clear my repository list and reinstall those | 20:17 |
| mgedmin | wiza: note that many of my repositories had an empty "distribution" setting | 20:17 |
| mgedmin | which used to mean chinook, but now means diablo | 20:17 |
| mgedmin | and many repositories do not have a diablo version | 20:17 |
| ccooke | qwerty12: (and their choice not to *change* the password after it was found is a confirmation of that :-) | 20:17 |
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| wiza | mgedmin: so it's ok to change that to chinook in maemo-extra etc? | 20:18 |
| lardman | rm_you: you about? | 20:18 |
| RST38h | flashed. | 20:18 |
| RST38h | restored from backup. | 20:18 |
| mgedmin | wiza: that's what I did, and it worked for me(TM) | 20:18 |
| RST38h | fingers crossed. | 20:18 |
| qwerty12 | ccooke, It would be very hard to do that. That would mean shipping a new apt so that SSU would work and I believe apt is GPL so it would be dodgy not to share any changes they made iirc. | 20:18 |
| ccooke | (I suspect things would have been much more heavily locked down if the password was leaked all over the place | 20:19 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: That password was public for a very long time before it was used ;) | 20:19 |
| ccooke | qwerty12: not as hard as you'd think. they could have put a much greater lockdown in place if they wanted to | 20:19 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade, I wouldn't know :) | 20:20 |
| qwerty12 | ccooke, I guess they could share a new apt internally :/ | 20:20 |
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| ccooke | qwerty12: wouldn't even need to do that | 20:20 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: I subscribed to -commit and saw it come by a long time ago ;) | 20:20 |
| * lardman is happy that at least some of his applications reinstalled | 20:20 | |
| X-Fade | lardman: Were there any that failed? | 20:21 |
| Zmiko | does anyone here use twitter, and if so how do you do it on the tablet? | 20:21 |
| ccooke | qwerty12: distribute one that relies on a keyfile, say. Package the keyfile and stick it online with a login per user. | 20:21 |
| thopiekar | what's about canola? the developters in #canola said that beta 10 with fm radio will be available at the 21th of june... | 20:21 |
| qwerty12 | Zmiko, I packaged twitter. An old version now though. | 20:21 |
| lardman | X-Fade: Lots which presumably don't have Diablo builds - maemo mapper, mplater, openssh, rtcomm beta | 20:21 |
| lardman | s/mplater/mplayer | 20:21 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: Yeah, just use the chinook repo. Worked fine for me. | 20:22 |
| lardman | X-Fade: yeah, on my way to that; thanks :) | 20:22 |
| ccooke | qwerty12: *very* little disruption to the bugtesters, easy to tell who leaked a file if one gets leaked... And about 48 hours of someone's time on Nokia's side to get it set up, most of which is user account creation and testing. | 20:22 |
| ccooke | qwerty12: What twitter app did you package? | 20:23 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade, Do you know when the Diablo SDK will be released? It will be a relief from compiling stuff from stage in CHINOOK_ARMEL :) | 20:23 |
| qwerty12 | ccooke, Doh, mitter. | 20:23 |
| qwerty12 | (Doh is on my side lol) | 20:23 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: It has already been released .. for a few hours.. | 20:23 |
| ccooke | ah, shame. I found that a bit unusable :-/ | 20:23 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: Everything you will need it here: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/diablo/ | 20:24 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade, Ah, okie, thanks. I'll grab the scripts now. I'm making conky more applet like and building it for diablo will be nice :) | 20:24 |
| X-Fade | s/it/is/ | 20:24 |
| infobot | X-Fade meant: qwerty12: Everything you will need is here: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/diablo/ | 20:24 |
| ccooke | maybe I should try mitter again on diablo? | 20:25 |
| lbt | X-Fade: wizard-mounter won't install.. and I see here http://repository.maemo.org/stable/diablo/4.1_vs_4.0.1_content_changes.html that nfs/portmap doesn't seem to be in Diablo.. | 20:25 |
| qwerty12 | ccooke, Probably end up with same result. It is an old version, maybe if I have time, I'll package the new one. | 20:25 |
| X-Fade | lbt: Can you please file a bug about things that don't work? | 20:26 |
| ccooke | (three little problems: It never automatically updated, even when it said it was. It would sometimes hang doing an update. And it would Never Die) | 20:26 |
| * qwerty12 screams as I see that scratchbox will have to be updated too. | 20:26 | |
| X-Fade | lbt: Now there are still people working in Finland, they won't be for long ;) | 20:26 |
| X-Fade | lbt: Finland shuts down in July. | 20:26 |
| lbt | best place? bugzilla? https://bugs.maemo.org | 20:26 |
| X-Fade | lbt: Yes. | 20:26 |
| mgedmin | mmpc won't install (no libglade) | 20:27 |
| Veggen | hmmf. where the hell is a link to the flasher? I never find it ;) | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is it just me, or do we have two flashing articles on the wiki? | 20:27 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: MERGE! :) | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS https://wiki.maemo.org/Installation | 20:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hooker. . . . | 20:28 |
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| * GeneralAntilles shouldn't have slept in today. | 20:30 | |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Lol, you never sleep and today.... | 20:30 |
| * qwerty12 wishes I had | 20:30 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php Veggen | 20:31 |
| Veggen | thanks :) | 20:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh, I don't want to have to use sfdisk again. ;_; | 20:32 |
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| RST38h | [carefully] I hope the internal flash formatting bug is gone from Diablo? =) | 20:32 |
| mgedmin | what bug? | 20:32 |
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| summatusmentis | someone needs to port cfdisk over | 20:33 |
| mgedmin | cfdisk rules | 20:33 |
| summatusmentis | I really don't like sfdisk | 20:33 |
| Veggen | to restore the backup or not to restore the backup? | 20:33 |
| summatusmentis | why wouldn't you? | 20:34 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: internal flash was formatted for a bigger number of sectors than were physically present | 20:34 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: so, sooner or later it went kaboom | 20:34 |
| qwerty12 | mgedmin, Go on, you want to compile cfdisk for your sprint ;P | 20:34 |
| mgedmin | RST38h: right; but then flashing the OS doesn't reformat your SD cards | 20:34 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: And you think a firmware update will ever fix that? | 20:34 |
| Veggen | good question. I don't think there's anything of the hacking I've done that's gonna be on the backup, so I guess it'll be just as clean if I restore... | 20:34 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: [scratching head] On the second thought, firmware update should not have anythign to do with that =) | 20:35 |
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| RST38h | as it does not reformat internal flash | 20:35 |
| lcuk2 | crashanddie,, you wanted me | 20:35 |
| mgedmin | now if you could explain to me why my n810 keeps corrupting my internal flash every few weeks | 20:35 |
| lcuk2 | hi folks btw | 20:35 |
| * RST38h is being stupid, sorry | 20:35 | |
| mgedmin | even after I reformatted it to be smaller than the size of the SD card | 20:35 |
| RST38h | lcuk: moo | 20:35 |
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| qwerty12 | hi lcuk2 | 20:36 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: some bad software? | 20:36 |
| * lcuk2 has lost his big computer to cbeebies | 20:36 | |
| RST38h | custom kernel? drivers? | 20:36 |
| mgedmin | stock stuff | 20:36 |
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| mgedmin | dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/mmc2/bigfile is guaranteed to cause fs corruption | 20:36 |
| mgedmin | even after I freshly reformat the internal flash with the stock file manager | 20:36 |
| lcuk2 | mgedmin, does your NIT die from battery when its on? | 20:37 |
| mgedmin | no | 20:37 |
| RST38h | weird | 20:38 |
| Zmiko | could someone recommend a good irc client | 20:38 |
| RST38h | xchat | 20:38 |
| ccooke | irssi :-) | 20:38 |
| lcuk2 | isnt all the drive space internally on the 810 from one big flash disk | 20:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ | 20:38 |
| lbt | konversation | 20:38 |
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| qwerty12 | I'll 3rd x-chat. | 20:39 |
| lcuk2 | im using xchat now so ivegotta recommend it | 20:39 |
| RST38h | How To: Make Windows Vista Boot Faster With Multiple Cores | 20:39 |
| qwerty12 | Even on windows, I prefer to use X-Chat instead of that POS mirc :/ | 20:39 |
| mgedmin | lcuk2: there's the 256 megs of raw MTD and 2 more gigs that are indistinguishable from an SD card, softwarily | 20:39 |
| RST38h | Ah, loops Windows users have to jump through... | 20:39 |
| Zmiko | thanks, ill look at x-chat | 20:39 |
| mgedmin | skyhusker -> maemo extras! now! | 20:40 |
| mgedmin | We Need X-Chat | 20:40 |
| RST38h | yep | 20:40 |
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| Raytray | irssi. :D | 20:40 |
| lcuk2 | how long does a beta test run? speaking of which, is win 95 now considered stable? | 20:40 |
| summatusmentis | I'm w/ ccooke | 20:40 |
| summatusmentis | and Raytray | 20:40 |
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| ccooke | lcuk2: *dead* is 'stable'... | 20:41 |
| Veggen | RST38h: I have a somewhat naive relationship with Windows. If I'm gonna use Windows, it's *not* gonna be my responsibility to make sure Windows actually works. | 20:41 |
| qwerty12 | There are 4 IRC clients for Os2008. Out of them, only one has a gui. X-Chat. | 20:41 |
| konttori_ | pidgin has also | 20:41 |
| konttori_ | (GUI that is) | 20:41 |
| * GeneralAntilles flashes. | 20:41 | |
| summatusmentis | pidgin doesn't count :) >_> | 20:41 |
| konttori_ | (and irc support) | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | and rtcomm | 20:41 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, yes, pidgin. Also rtcomm | 20:41 |
| RST38h | Veggen: you probably never had a job so far? | 20:41 |
| lcuk2 | GeneralAntilles, put it away | 20:41 |
| ccooke | qwerty12: yes, but irssi doesn't *need* a GUI :-) | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | You know you like it, lcuk2. :P | 20:41 |
| summatusmentis | lcuk2: you beat me | 20:42 |
| RST38h | why doesn't pidgin count? | 20:42 |
| summatusmentis | because it's horrible | 20:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because it sucks ass. | 20:42 |
| summatusmentis | at least as an irc client | 20:42 |
| konttori_ | anyway, I agree that irc is best enjoyed on a proper client, not on a chat client (like pidgin or rtcom) | 20:42 |
| qwerty12 | It sucks my balls. | 20:42 |
| ccooke | ... I really have to write the irssi-maemo stuff I wanted to. | 20:42 |
| Veggen | RST38h: Oh. I've been working with networking, Unix, databases etc. for the last 13 or so years. Longer if you count part-time work while I was studying :) | 20:42 |
| * X-Fade hands GeneralAntilles a towel. We don't need to see that ;) | 20:42 | |
| RST38h | it's ok, better than rtcomm anyway | 20:42 |
| mgedmin | for future reference, the magic one-liner to make scratchbox work on ubuntu hardy is | 20:42 |
| mgedmin | sudo sysctl -w vm.vdso_enabled=0 vm.mmap_min_addr=4096 | 20:42 |
| RST38h | Veggen: Then you should know that sometimes it is not an option | 20:42 |
| ccooke | Maybe next week, when I'm on holiday :-) | 20:42 |
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| lcuk2 | has crashanddie actually crashed and died? | 20:42 |
| Veggen | RST38h: actually, so far it *has* been an option. | 20:43 |
| mgedmin | what's the deb-src line for pristine debian packages? | 20:43 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: I am not sure pidgin anal sex counts as porn | 20:43 |
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| RST38h | Veggen: you are lucky then | 20:43 |
| * mgedmin finds it | 20:43 | |
| ccooke | RST38h: oh, it would. Pigeon anal sex, on the other hand... | 20:43 |
| * konttori_ just got notification of prism update. Man, I love the update notifications | 20:43 | |
| Veggen | Oh, I sometimes have to touch windows. But I'm never gonna take responsibility for Windows working. And if it's too close to the OS, I'll insist on having Windows-people with me to take care of Windows stuff. | 20:43 |
| ccooke | (pedant? where?) | 20:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh, E-Mail and Settings are still linked in Backup/Restore. | 20:44 |
| lcuk2 | i suppose i best do some upgrading , how are the servers holding up | 20:44 |
| RST38h | TV is showing shitloads of pirate DVDs | 20:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fine when I downloaded about 20 minutes ago, lcuk2. | 20:45 |
| RST38h | Being destroyed on camera. How cute. | 20:45 |
| X-Fade | lcuk2: Quite well actually ;) | 20:45 |
| RST38h | Probably going to use the resulting plastic granules to make new pirate DVDs =) | 20:45 |
| lcuk2 | RST38h, i thought they were good movies | 20:45 |
| lcuk2 | especially the one with davey jones | 20:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | NOLO updated | 20:46 |
| RST38h | they are, they are... | 20:46 |
| mgedmin | cfdisk is part of util-linux... | 20:46 |
| lcuk2 | or was it the dodgy vivid porn version | 20:46 |
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| * lcuk2 hasnt laughed so much before - yarrrr and avast me hearties never sounded so fun :D | 20:47 | |
| * mgedmin loses interest | 20:47 | |
| mgedmin | mmm, cookies | 20:47 |
| ccooke | Is this what the x-chat GUI still looks like now? - http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/maemo-xchat/ ? | 20:47 |
| lcuk2 | dip them in your tea | 20:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Pretty much, ccooke. | 20:48 |
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| wiza | well, lots of "chinook" added to extras, devel-extras etc | 20:48 |
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| ccooke | GeneralAntilles: right. Definitely not an improvement on irssi, then :-) | 20:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Depends | 20:49 |
| lcuk2 | ok , if crashanddie returns would some1 tell him ill speak later | 20:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | irssi is a pain on the tablet | 20:49 |
| ccooke | GeneralAntilles: how so? | 20:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | With a vkb and fkb? | 20:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | very so | 20:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cumbersome | 20:50 |
| summatusmentis | if you're on an n800 I could see that | 20:50 |
| ccooke | GeneralAntilles: ahh. yes, of course. | 20:50 |
| * lcuk2 back later | 20:50 | |
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| ccooke | GeneralAntilles: I have an n810. Using it for note-taking at work has made me actually pretty fast on the keyboard | 20:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Man, they sure know how to spam on -users. | 20:52 |
| Veggen | ccooke: I had nothing but n810 at home for a while. | 20:52 |
| Veggen | It also helped ;) | 20:52 |
| ccooke | Veggen: I bet! | 20:53 |
| summatusmentis | I don't see the n810 hkb is that bad | 20:53 |
| Veggen | no, it's pretty usable. | 20:53 |
| Veggen | but I'm not nearly as fast at it as on a fullsize keyboard :) | 20:53 |
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| ccooke | summatusmentis: if it were any worse, it'd be unusable. As it is... it's the lower limit of good enough, but it *is* good enough | 20:53 |
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| summatusmentis | ccooke: see... I don't find it borderline unusable, save for maybe the d-pad placement | 20:54 |
| summatusmentis | I sort of wish the keyboard were centered | 20:55 |
| RST38h | omweather crashes window manager in diablo | 20:55 |
| t_s_o | hmm, where do one control the agps settings? | 20:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Install the agps-ui | 20:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, yep, same here | 20:55 |
| t_s_o | figures, i thought it came preinstalled :P | 20:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | aquatix, around? | 20:55 |
| aquatix | qwerty12_N800: yeah | 20:56 |
| aquatix | irssi apparently locked up | 20:56 |
| aquatix | odd | 20:56 |
| mgedmin | ominous weather... | 20:56 |
| ccooke | summatusmentis: I used to use the Zaurus. And before that, Psion 5mx. Now *that* was a good keyboard. | 20:56 |
| X-Fade | OMweather has a bit of a reputation of crashing, I'm affraid. | 20:56 |
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| * aquatix is charging his n810 | 20:56 | |
| summatusmentis | ccooke: the Cxx00 keyboards are awesome, I agree | 20:56 |
| mgedmin | weather applets seem to have this problem | 20:56 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I made a version of load-applet that doesn't flash the icon but instead flashes the hardware led instead ;P | 20:56 |
| RST38h | Ok, I am not touching omweather config for now | 20:56 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | @aquatix | 20:56 |
| aquatix | qwerty12_N800: ooh :) | 20:56 |
| ccooke | summatusmentis: they were good, but the Psion 5 series was perfect. | 20:56 |
| mgedmin | qwerty12_N800: when will I be able to install it from extras? :-) | 20:57 |
| aquatix | qwerty12_N800: some evil pink colour? ;) | 20:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mgedmin, It's not my package to upload in all honesty :) | 20:57 |
| summatusmentis | ccooke: I'm too young to know what the Psion 5 series is :) | 20:57 |
| konttori_ | ccooke: I loved the 5mx as well. | 20:57 |
| mgedmin | qwerty12_N800: send a patch upstream then | 20:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | aquatix, the only tablet I have, only does blue ;) | 20:58 |
| mgedmin | I remember when we had three or four different versions of load-applet... | 20:58 |
| ccooke | summatusmentis: http://the-gadgeteer.com/review/psion_series_5_review | 20:58 |
| Veggen | nuts. | 20:58 |
| mgedmin | it wasn't fun deciding which one to use | 20:58 |
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| konttori_ | ccooke: Would be so great to revive that device with modern hw. It was splendid. | 20:58 |
| Veggen | I think I lost my customized keyboard layout. | 20:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | aquatix, anyway , want the deb? | 20:58 |
| Veggen | oh well. It was the research that was difficult, not actually doing it. | 20:58 |
| aquatix | qwerty12_N800: sure thing! | 20:58 |
| konttori_ | s60 pales in comparison to the symbian from the 5mx time | 20:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nice not having Application manager crash after every 2nd or 3rd application install. | 20:59 |
| ccooke | summatusmentis: basically, though, it had a laptop-style keyboard and stunning design quality. | 20:59 |
| summatusmentis | could one touch type on that keyboard? | 20:59 |
| konttori_ | 5mx pen was also truly great | 20:59 |
| ccooke | summatusmentis: oh, certainly | 20:59 |
| summatusmentis | intriguing | 21:00 |
| mgedmin | heh, I noticed that the App Manager became more pleasant to use, but didn't quite notice why :-) | 21:00 |
| summatusmentis | and it was pocketable? | 21:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | aquatix, http://www.sendspace.com/file/0lx49r :) | 21:00 |
| konttori_ | summatusmentis: yeah. about as pocketable as n810 | 21:00 |
| konttori_ | small fingered could touch type on it | 21:01 |
| ccooke | summatusmentis: yep. Clamshell, about half again as thick as the n810 and about an inch longer | 21:01 |
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| summatusmentis | nice | 21:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, if you are feeling geeky, you can configure omweather through gconf-editor | 21:01 |
| ccooke | summatusmentis: heh. From a review: "The Psion 5mx has the nicest keyboard of any device in its class. I can actually touch-type at 40-50 WPM on it" | 21:02 |
| konttori_ | GeneralAntilles: yeah, well, appman received quite a lot QA love to e.g. not to crash in the middle of OS update | 21:02 |
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| mgedmin | hm, n810 is about on the outer edges of the definition of "pocketable" in my book | 21:02 |
| summatusmentis | mgedmin: you need bigger pockets | 21:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori_, still not enough, though. :( | 21:02 |
| summatusmentis | I used to carry my C3200 in my pocket... huge | 21:02 |
| mgedmin | summatusmentis: I'd rather have smaller devices :-) | 21:02 |
| konttori_ | GeneralAntilles: what issues do you have with it? | 21:02 |
| ccooke | summatusmentis: indeed. But strudier than the n810. | 21:02 |
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| ccooke | summatusmentis: I'd never carry this in my pocket without a strong case. | 21:03 |
| X-Fade | konttori_: Oops, wrong question ;) | 21:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori_, since you asked. https://wiki.maemo.org/User:GeneralAntilles/Improving_the_Application_manager | 21:03 |
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| wiza | umm, wayfinder shows that my map version is scandinavia ta2006.07... | 21:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | More specifically, though: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2765 | 21:03 |
| wiza | that's kinda old... | 21:03 |
| summatusmentis | ccooke: I carry my n810 in my pocket w/ the factory sleeve | 21:03 |
| konttori_ | GeneralAntilles: yeah, the UI is not very good in appman. | 21:04 |
| X-Fade | summatusmentis: I can't be seen in public with the factory sleeve ;) | 21:04 |
| ccooke | summatusmentis: it would get crushed when I travelled on the tube :-) | 21:04 |
| aquatix | qwerty12_N800: got it, thanks | 21:04 |
| mgedmin | GeneralAntilles: isn't that a bug in the Restore app? | 21:04 |
| aquatix | i'll first flash diablo :) | 21:04 |
| mgedmin | not the app manager? | 21:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, easy, just keep it in your pocket all the time like a little sub-pocket. :P | 21:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, I don't know. | 21:04 |
| ccooke | the factory sleeve fits entirely into my shirt pocket. | 21:04 |
| summatusmentis | X-Fade: why? | 21:04 |
| ccooke | and I just keep the tablet in there | 21:05 |
| konttori_ | we had just about no possibility to do any UI related changes to appman in diablo | 21:05 |
| konttori_ | for reasons I cannot say | 21:05 |
| summatusmentis | I keep mine in the factory sleeve in my left pants pocket | 21:05 |
| summatusmentis | it works wonderfully | 21:05 |
| X-Fade | summatusmentis: As beautiful as the device is, as ugly the sleeve ;) | 21:05 |
| mgedmin | GeneralAntilles: nice mockups on your wiki page! | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks! | 21:05 |
| konttori_ | Yeah, truly nice ones. I agree | 21:06 |
| summatusmentis | X-Fade: noone see the sleeve :-D | 21:06 |
| mgedmin | though I don't like the column-view | 21:06 |
| mgedmin | vertical splitters just don't work for me on screens only 800px wide | 21:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, personally, I'd like to see them all implemented | 21:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | then the user can pick whichever one works best for them. ;) | 21:06 |
| konttori_ | grid view is nice, and to be honest, we should have made some enforcements on the categories as well. (instead of e.g. cli and CLI being separate categories (or existing at all really)) | 21:07 |
| X-Fade | With the gridview you loose context when clicking on a category. I always hate that. | 21:07 |
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| konttori_ | true | 21:08 |
| konttori_ | but, then again, tree view has similar issues (albeit a bit different) | 21:08 |
| X-Fade | Designing UIs is hard.. | 21:09 |
| X-Fade | Well, designing good UIs.. | 21:09 |
| konttori_ | colun view is the nicest, but there is not enough space for it really | 21:09 |
| konttori_ | the current model is the worst, as everybody will always just choose the all. | 21:09 |
| Veggen | nuts. Didn't know I had that many extra programs installed... | 21:09 |
| konttori_ | grid might be the easiest improvement to the current one | 21:10 |
| Veggen | it didn't find all requirements either. oh well, hadn't counted on all programs being installed without a problem :) | 21:10 |
| wiza | umm, I'm seeing 3 different os2008 feature upgrades on red pill mode | 21:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Disable red pill. | 21:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | You don't need it. | 21:11 |
| Veggen | but, hmm. I think it should restore my custom application categories as "settings". It didn't do that. | 21:11 |
| konttori_ | those come from the repositories, not settings | 21:12 |
| Veggen | oh, I meant in the application menus. | 21:13 |
| konttori_ | ah. understood. | 21:14 |
| konttori_ | odd that it doesn't | 21:14 |
| Veggen | it didn't. | 21:14 |
| wiza | hmm, I have 3 nokia catalogs and 5 maemo ones, anything I should remove? | 21:15 |
| Veggen | ok. 70 programs installed as part of the restore-process ;) | 21:15 |
| wiza | extras, catalog, catalog 3rd party, contrib and extras-devel from maemo | 21:15 |
| X-Fade | Veggen: lol, that is a lot :) | 21:17 |
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| Veggen | mind you, most of them I've probably only tried once ;) | 21:18 |
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| Veggen | Hmm - the improved gps handling - is it gonna be improved at once, or is there something extra you need to do? | 21:19 |
| X-Fade | Veggen: You will be our Autotester ;) See if they all uninstall nicely too? And report back.. | 21:19 |
| Veggen | hmm...what's that "OS2008 Feature upgrade" package that I can installed? | 21:20 |
| Veggen | eh, install. | 21:20 |
| Veggen | rather, that I *can't* install :) | 21:21 |
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| X-Fade | Veggen: That will enable both OpenGL and the acceleration sensor. | 21:22 |
| Veggen | oh. | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | .. huh? | 21:22 |
| jott | X-Fade: hehe beware of spreading rumors it will all fall back to you in the end ;) | 21:23 |
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| X-Fade | jott: ;) | 21:23 |
| X-Fade | I'm sorry, couldn't resist ;) | 21:23 |
| jott | i bet itt has 30 post about it already ,) | 21:24 |
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| t_s_o | quick guess, its our os update package for future updates ;) | 21:24 |
| X-Fade | Better than 30 posts about the iphone.. | 21:24 |
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| RST38h | How do I use AGPS-beta? | 21:30 |
| RST38h | It lets me choose a locationbut does nothing | 21:30 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Just open map and walk outside :) | 21:30 |
| * GeneralAntilles wonders if he should re-file the bugs he submitted to Texrat in Bugzilla now. . . . | 21:32 | |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I think it is a good thing to have all bugs in one place? | 21:32 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: had to place it by the window | 21:32 |
| RST38h | 5 minutes, no luck yet | 21:32 |
| X-Fade | And hey, it is good for your karma ;) | 21:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ugh, I hate having to re-setup the OS. | 21:40 |
| derf | Join the club. | 21:41 |
| derf | My N810 is still running the OS it came with. | 21:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | ew | 21:41 |
| mgedmin | I persuaded myself to like the periodic reflashings | 21:41 |
| mgedmin | "spring cleaning" | 21:41 |
| mgedmin | otoh with the current backup/restore tools all my clutter instantly reappears in the new os | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | That should only come once a year. :P | 21:42 |
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| crashanddie | hey guys, I've had a few ideas lately, tell me what you think about it | 21:50 |
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| crashanddie | first idea, would be the ability to send a link/document/string of text over to the NIT, and it handles it "correctly". Say, right click on a document and click "send to NIT", and the NIT opens, same thing for a URL in firefox or something. Of course, this should work the other way around, too | 21:51 |
| crashanddie | second idea, create a digital lock. I'm talking about a door lock here. Using BT, and something like public/private certs, open a lock based on the current timestamp or something. Ultimately, this would mean I can walk up to a door, and have it unlock on its own, without any physical interaction from my part | 21:52 |
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| fysa | http://www.berryreview.com/2007/10/12/preview-fermax-bluetooth-access-control-system/ | 21:54 |
| crashanddie | last thing, maybe using maemo mapper, use the GPS ability to trace where you're going. Throw in some speed measurements, and maybe even height (inclination), and calculate the calories you've lost | 21:55 |
| aquatix | meh, now i need my n810's serial number to download the firmware, while it's currently charging, awaiting that flash | 21:56 |
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| crashanddie | aquatix, hang on | 21:56 |
| RST38h | General: OMWeather just got updated | 21:56 |
| johnx | aquatix, arping your-tablet | 21:56 |
| RST38h | (although I guess you know it already) | 21:56 |
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| aquatix | hm, is it its mac address? | 21:56 |
| johnx | yup | 21:56 |
| aquatix | ah | 21:56 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, 001D6ED58BD9 | 21:56 |
| crashanddie | fysa, Cost: Aprox. $1000 | 21:57 |
| crashanddie | fysa, I'm talking about low budget here | 21:57 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: that's yours i guess? | 21:57 |
| fysa | of course you are | 21:57 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, yeah | 21:57 |
| aquatix | thanks | 21:58 |
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| fysa | you may as well get a Mykey. | 21:59 |
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| fysa | http://www.ap501.com/buy/product.php | 22:00 |
| fysa | $299 | 22:00 |
| fysa | general RFID is much cheaper and more reliable than bluetooth-based solutions. | 22:01 |
| * aquatix fetches rfid reader/sniffer/spoofer | 22:01 | |
| aquatix | fysa: where do you live? :) | 22:01 |
| fysa | you would have to know the frequency/encryption used still. | 22:02 |
| aquatix | true | 22:02 |
| aquatix | then you hope the encryption uses nonces and such | 22:02 |
| aquatix | otherwise i can just replay | 22:02 |
| aquatix | but i guess they are that smart :) | 22:02 |
| aquatix | nice device btw | 22:02 |
| fysa | fingerprint is probably easier to fool.. | 22:02 |
| aquatix | certainly | 22:03 |
| fysa | just get a gummy bear ;) | 22:03 |
| johnx | no need to fool it either | 22:03 |
| johnx | snip, snip | 22:03 |
| aquatix | :) | 22:03 |
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| aquatix | johnx: it's more fun to break in without the rightful owner of the fingertip knowing | 22:03 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, I gpg encrypt the current timestamp, and send that through, you have about 20 seconds (to account for clock-drift) to get in unnoticed. At least, that's how I'd do it. | 22:03 |
| crashanddie | on the top of my head, that is, using a BT based solution | 22:04 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: aight | 22:04 |
| aquatix | sounds quite bulletproof indeed | 22:04 |
| aquatix | but i can walk behind you | 22:04 |
| aquatix | really depends on the circumstances i guess | 22:04 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, that doesn't change from usual RFID cards | 22:04 |
| crashanddie | once the door is locked, any number of persons can enter | 22:05 |
| crashanddie | unlocked** | 22:05 |
| fysa | you close the door behind you and it locks. | 22:05 |
| fysa | now if I walked by the door on my way to the restroom.. | 22:05 |
| fysa | it could unlock and sit in an open state, waiting for entry | 22:05 |
| aquatix | true | 22:06 |
| crashanddie | fysa, most systems have a timeout | 22:06 |
| aquatix | my point was, if i'm behind you, i can sniff your key | 22:06 |
| aquatix | you enter, close the door | 22:06 |
| aquatix | and i replay | 22:06 |
| crashanddie | fysa, the system I coded about a year ago, had a 5s timeout, if the door didn't open within that period, the door locked again | 22:06 |
| aquatix | if it's your home, that will be an interesting situation, but in a busy office i might be unnoticed | 22:06 |
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| crashanddie | also, we had a check, if the door stayed open for more than x number of seconds, there was a security alarm | 22:07 |
| aquatix | cool | 22:07 |
| * aquatix wants | 22:07 | |
| aquatix | i think my gf is going to hate me | 22:07 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, again, say I encrypt the current timestamp using my private key, the device has my public key, you can't sniff my key/crack it | 22:07 |
| fysa | I developed an RFID system that is running at the SeaTac airport.. if you ever fly in, walk to the valet/hotel shuttle terminals and you will see weatherproof embedded Linux boxes reading RFID from 200 feet :) | 22:07 |
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| johnx | aquatix, but with the new locks, she can hate you from *outside* :D | 22:07 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, we could also think about a feature that if the same timestamp gets sent through twice, security alarm goes off | 22:08 |
| aquatix | johnx: lol | 22:08 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: the latter will help | 22:08 |
| aquatix | but i can just repeat your already encrypted message | 22:08 |
| aquatix | within those 20 secs or something | 22:08 |
| aquatix | no need to know your key or crack it | 22:08 |
| johnx | easy enough to make that system replay resistant though | 22:08 |
| aquatix | indeed | 22:08 |
| crashanddie | that's what I said, if said timestamp is sent a second time, you get pwned | 22:08 |
| johnx | don't except the same time stamp twice :P | 22:09 |
| aquatix | just add some random nonce | 22:09 |
| aquatix | or that :) | 22:09 |
| crashanddie | Now of course, the greatest issue here is that simply mugging someone would mean you gain access to certain areas, but that is no different that stealing the key card | 22:10 |
| aquatix | indeed | 22:10 |
| johnx | or their physical keys | 22:10 |
| aquatix | if someone steals my smartcard, they can enter my office | 22:10 |
| crashanddie | still, a normal luser would probably be more freaked out about the fact someone stole his wallet, that has the key, instead of someone ripping his phone out of his hands | 22:10 |
| johnx | and as always 2 factor is better, 3 factor is great | 22:10 |
| aquatix | still, there is a guard | 22:10 |
| crashanddie | they might not "notice" the relation between office security and phone | 22:10 |
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| crashanddie | anyway, it's just an idea, I'm pretty sure I can build something like this for under $100 per door | 22:11 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: that's where education comes in | 22:11 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, true | 22:11 |
| aquatix | there's already such a thing for laptops | 22:11 |
| johnx | education only goes so far | 22:11 |
| johnx | threats are good too | 22:11 |
| crashanddie | johnx, exactly | 22:11 |
| aquatix | if bt device is within reach, unlock | 22:11 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, yeah, that idea might have biased my mind | 22:12 |
| aquatix | damn | 22:12 |
| crashanddie | but to be fair, I just made it up when I walked up to my door, packed with stuff in my hands, and that's when I noticed I had to go back to the car to get my house keys | 22:12 |
| aquatix | now i'm thinking about doing something similar too | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | aquatix: changing MAC on a bt device is not very difficult though | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:12 |
| aquatix | heh, yeah | 22:12 |
| crashanddie | that's why an identification is *necessary* | 22:13 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: yeah, so you need to do something nifty like exchanging gpg'ed messages | 22:13 |
| crashanddie | there is one hack for this though ! | 22:13 |
| aquatix | i already have my keys in my pocket though | 22:13 |
| crashanddie | One quite obvious even, even if it might seem complicated | 22:13 |
| crashanddie | (djeezus I'm brainstorming here) | 22:13 |
| crashanddie | say, target goes out to get coffee at starbucks | 22:13 |
| crashanddie | I wait with my NIT, BT enabled, with a daemon waiting | 22:14 |
| crashanddie | guy comes buy, my NIT picks it up, requests encrypted timestamp | 22:14 |
| crashanddie | NIT records it, sends it over to NIT waiting by the door with attacker at the ready | 22:14 |
| aquatix | ha | 22:14 |
| crashanddie | devices gets fooled, because it gets the correct timestamp | 22:14 |
| johnx | heh...so just tunnel it basically? | 22:15 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 22:15 |
| aquatix | hacked over gprs :) | 22:15 |
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| * lcuk just knocks on the door when he forgets keys | 22:15 | |
| johnx | if you're already doing encryption you just need a certificate for your door :D | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Weird, installing XChat broke the Application Menu. . . . | 22:15 |
| aquatix | lcuk: gf tends to work ;) | 22:15 |
| lcuk | hopefully shes not susceptable to replay attacks either | 22:15 |
| crashanddie | johnx, I love to find flaws in my current design, keeps me going, challenges are what drive me :P | 22:15 |
| johnx | crashanddie, I know. it's fun, isn't it? :D | 22:16 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: i think the solution is to have to sign a request for timestamp | 22:16 |
| crashanddie | well, whatever we're sending over | 22:16 |
| aquatix | but | 22:16 |
| aquatix | then you can have your buddy act like your target, relay the request to you | 22:16 |
| aquatix | you relay to target and then your scheme comes in | 22:16 |
| aquatix | hm | 22:16 |
| aquatix | men in the middle | 22:16 |
| lcuk | why have timestamps, just remember which side of the door you are meant to be on - if you are inside office/house and someone comes to the door locked outside dont let them in | 22:17 |
| crashanddie | lol | 22:17 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, you can't know which side you at | 22:17 |
| aquatix | lcuk: we are both outside | 22:17 |
| aquatix | target and me | 22:17 |
| lcuk | then hit the imposter on the head with the handy 8x0 you have in your pocket | 22:17 |
| ||cw | sure you can, signal strength will be significantly less outside | 22:17 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, even so, say, on a basic principle, that you have to unlock the door too to get in/out | 22:17 |
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| crashanddie | ||cw, not necessarily, most badge readers have on instance on the inside AND outside of said door | 22:18 |
| lcuk | why wouldnt you use a normal door catch? | 22:18 |
| johnx | crashanddie, if that was the case, OSHA would chew you out for not complying with fire safety code :P | 22:18 |
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| crashanddie | johnx, doors unlock when there's a fire alarm? :-° | 22:18 |
| aquatix | emulate an alarm, done :) | 22:18 |
| * crashanddie throws molotov | 22:19 | |
| ||cw | yeah but those work on a matter of inches or less, bt works on feet | 22:19 |
| * lcuk brings a burning torch to crashanddie's house to get in | 22:19 | |
| aquatix | ghehe | 22:19 |
| * aquatix brings pitforks | 22:19 | |
| summatusmentis | what is a pit fork? | 22:19 |
| johnx | crashanddie, also, if that system say ... catches on fire a lot of people are gonna be unhappy | 22:19 |
| lcuk | pitforks? the devils work | 22:19 |
| Mikho | bring out the witch! | 22:19 |
| aquatix | summatusmentis: something sharp and pointy | 22:19 |
| summatusmentis | a pitch fork, I've heard of | 22:19 |
| aquatix | erm | 22:19 |
| ||cw | johnx: well, you tie it to the fire system and unlock it, many systems do this | 22:19 |
| aquatix | pitch fork | 22:19 |
| summatusmentis | ah, ok :) | 22:19 |
| aquatix | excuse my french | 22:19 |
| lcuk | hehe | 22:19 |
| aquatix | summatusmentis: it's late ;) | 22:20 |
| summatusmentis | no excuse | 22:20 |
| lcuk | racing drivers each dinner with a pit fork | 22:20 |
| aquatix | http://www.johnclearygallery.com/pics/smith/pitchfork.jpg | 22:20 |
| aquatix | classy | 22:20 |
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| crashanddie | ||cw, I don't think it would be quite accurate tbh... Say someone wears a layer of isolating material, that weakens the BT signal, or the guy stands a bit too far, and halts because he's answering a phone call/picks up stuff, you'd get a false positive | 22:20 |
| lcuk | thats quite an impressive fork | 22:20 |
| aquatix | summatusmentis: let's just say englis my fourth language or something ;) | 22:20 |
| aquatix | lcuk: uh-huh | 22:21 |
| lcuk | infact, thats the mother of all forks | 22:21 |
| aquatix | lol | 22:21 |
| aquatix | i love his hat | 22:21 |
| * aquatix should really get one too | 22:21 | |
| aquatix | i guess it will suit me hilariously | 22:22 |
| ||cw | well, he halts, there's no problem, and wearing lead infused clothing is questionable in the first place | 22:22 |
| aquatix | ||cw: tinfoil | 22:22 |
| crashanddie | ok, so that idea was quite controversial, plus, it's more of a cheap gadget than really useful, tbh | 22:22 |
| crashanddie | what about first idea? | 22:22 |
| crashanddie | (crashanddie) first idea, would be the ability to send a link/document/string of text over to the NIT, and it handles it "correctly". Say, right click on a document and click "send to NIT", and the NIT opens, same thing for a URL in firefox or something. Of course, this should work the other way around, too | 22:22 |
| lcuk | ok aquatix the google image search you did, WTF is the next picture about? | 22:22 |
| lcuk | http://www.hearya.com/2007/07/03/hey-pitchfork-shut-your-pie-hole/ | 22:22 |
| aquatix | lcuk: omg | 22:22 |
| lcuk | i do believe the guy has a traffic cone sticking out of his ass | 22:23 |
| aquatix | yeah, something like that | 22:23 |
| ||cw | aquatix: foil doens't have that much of an effect on 2.4Ghz | 22:23 |
| lcuk | OMG safesearch, why have you failed me now | 22:23 |
| aquatix | lcuk: lol | 22:23 |
| aquatix | safesearch is for wussies ;) | 22:24 |
| aquatix | lcuk: or are you at work? | 22:24 |
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| lcuk | not at all, but i was searching for pitchfork, not telescopic fart power | 22:24 |
| aquatix | ghehe | 22:24 |
| aquatix | nothing to do with safesearch | 22:24 |
| aquatix | just failing algorythms | 22:24 |
| aquatix | epic fail though | 22:25 |
| crashanddie | ok, no-one remotely interested in that one | 22:25 |
| lcuk | thats not a fail though, quite inventive and i suppose would save the environment in some way | 22:25 |
| lcuk | just dont breath the fumes | 22:25 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: hm | 22:25 |
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| aquatix | crashanddie: i think it's very prank-prone :) | 22:25 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, i actually really like that ident | 22:25 |
| lcuk | idea | 22:26 |
| aquatix | but it's quite a good idea indeed | 22:26 |
| crashanddie | then, there's the last one, that I still need to work on, which would be anti-stealing NIT... Add a small daemon, that checks on regular intervals if NIT has been stolen. If it has, gather GPS data, and send to server. | 22:26 |
| lcuk | aquatix, bluetooth pairing/ssl login would prevent pranks | 22:26 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: enter 4 8 15 16 23 42 every 108 minutes? | 22:26 |
| aquatix | lcuk: true | 22:26 |
| lcuk | crash, just do that anyway, when you slide the keyboard out just take a snapshot and upload to your own private ftp including latest available gps | 22:27 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, hmm ? | 22:27 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: never watched Lost i guess? ;) | 22:27 |
| crashanddie | nha | 22:27 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, heh, not bad idea, the snapshot feature :P | 22:27 |
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| aquatix | lcuk: geotagged mugshots, nice | 22:27 |
| crashanddie | just go to the cops with it :P | 22:28 |
| aquatix | call it geomug | 22:28 |
| lcuk | and since its private you get get rid of the ones where you are picking your nose and no1 will know | 22:28 |
| aquatix | geomugr | 22:28 |
| crashanddie | here you go fellas, all the work is done for you... He's at 34, calamity drive | 22:28 |
| aquatix | to stay in web2.0 terminology ;) | 22:28 |
| lcuk | the only problem with snapshot i think is that the camera is tied to the red led - it glows when its enabled always i believe | 22:29 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, mce should be hackable for that, no ? | 22:29 |
| aquatix | that's hackable i'd say ;) | 22:29 |
| lcuk | i suppose you could set an evil red devil theme so they wouldnt suspect | 22:29 |
| * aquatix is gone for a bit | 22:29 | |
| crashanddie | err, why I added mce in that is a mystery | 22:29 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, cheers | 22:29 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: cya :) | 22:29 |
| mgedmin | why does planet.maemo.org do that stupid redirect instead of providing direct links to upstream blogs in the RSS feed? | 22:29 |
| aquatix | hf guys and galls | 22:29 |
| mgedmin | stats collecting? | 22:30 |
| sp3000 | ehm, do you get a comma appended to the filename when downloading from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php ? | 22:31 |
| crashanddie | sp3000, yeah | 22:31 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, what did ou want me for earlier by the way | 22:31 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, PM | 22:31 |
| lcuk | just saw - its out of normal line of sight | 22:32 |
| sp3000 | crashanddie: browser? | 22:34 |
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| crashanddie | sp3000, wget | 22:34 |
| crashanddie | sp3000, firefox | 22:34 |
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| sp3000 | oh, you've fed wget your cookies? you can wget -S then :) | 22:35 |
| sp3000 | bug 3290 - comma appended to filenames from tablets-dev | 22:35 |
| n800m | http://gizmodo.com/5019082/nokia-pwns-symbian | 22:36 |
| towo | Well, it's how you do successful business, eh. | 22:38 |
| towo | "Let's just buy them up, make their product open source, and then use their experience along with other to make a cool OS that we all don't have to pay royalties for. yay!" | 22:38 |
| summatusmentis | So that puts... Android, OpenMoko, and now Symbian as open source phone OSs... palm is supposed to be coming at some point | 22:40 |
| summatusmentis | that's awesome | 22:40 |
| RST38h | Are you sure it is how you do successful business? | 22:40 |
| RST38h | Palm is already dead | 22:40 |
| RST38h | AFAIK, OpenMoko is slowly moving in the same direction | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thank god for Palm going away. | 22:40 |
| RST38h | Android and Symbian - will see | 22:41 |
| * RST38h agrees with General | 22:41 | |
| crashanddie | Android is too much phone-oriented, they'll suffer the same end as OpenMOKO as far as I can tell | 22:42 |
| crashanddie | maybe the Google-fanboys will help it stay alive, but it's doomed | 22:42 |
| crashanddie | we don't need *yet another phone OS* | 22:42 |
| crashanddie | there's a shitload already | 22:42 |
| crashanddie | we need a standard platform, that enables portability | 22:42 |
| glass_ | android is much hyped by people who think it brings total freedom to their phone.. | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | The "Postal address in Contacts?" thread in -users cracks me up. | 22:42 |
| summatusmentis | RST38h: Palm will is supposed to be releasing a new one at some point | 22:42 |
| glass_ | summatusmentis: palm has been supposed to have been doing that for past what.. 6 years? | 22:43 |
| RST38h | summa: Whatever they are supposed to do, they are a corpse | 22:43 |
| RST38h | Have been dead for a while now, like Amiga of old | 22:43 |
| glass_ | summatusmentis: and they've started again couple of times or so | 22:43 |
| summatusmentis | glass_: yeah, fair enough | 22:43 |
| glass_ | plus they'd have to have a good device and etc | 22:43 |
| summatusmentis | arguably the centro is decent | 22:43 |
| glass_ | centro is 5 years late | 22:44 |
| RST38h | I would suggest waiting with voicing opinion on Android - the thing is not here yet | 22:44 |
| summatusmentis | or they could license their OS | 22:44 |
| RST38h | Who knows what it will be when released and how it will be used | 22:44 |
| glass_ | licensing palmos is easy enough | 22:44 |
| RST38h | summa: Palm has no "OS" to speak of | 22:44 |
| glass_ | but it's ooold | 22:44 |
| glass_ | ah yeah they sold their os and are licensing it themeselfs..? | 22:44 |
| RST38h | summa: A bunch of incoherent libraries is not an OS | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 22:44 |
| glass_ | hah that too | 22:44 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, Google is hoping to catch most of the googleappengine apps on Android, that's obvious | 22:45 |
| glass_ | but palms problem is that they never went anywhere after buying handspring | 22:45 |
| RST38h | crash: There is a joke about this | 22:45 |
| glass_ | so palms inside innovation has been a dead duck for past 10 years | 22:45 |
| RST38h | crash: "Is it right that an elephant consumes 100kg of bananas a day? --- He does, but who is gonna let him?" | 22:46 |
| mgedmin | interesting times | 22:46 |
| RST38h | glass: As in "no filesystem and running <=64kB 68000 apps inside an emulator" | 22:47 |
| mgedmin | hey, palmos had a database-based filesystem | 22:47 |
| mgedmin | that's where microsoft is trying (and failing) to get to :-) | 22:47 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: it is not a filesystem | 22:48 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: try programming for it | 22:48 |
| mgedmin | don't ruin my joke! | 22:48 |
| mgedmin | at least palmos apps started up instantly | 22:48 |
| RST38h | Well, BeOS had a DB-based file system and it worked | 22:48 |
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| RST38h | mgedmin: with 64kB limit, no wonder... | 22:48 |
| mgedmin | and the user interface was pretty convenient | 22:49 |
| mgedmin | the only problem was there were not enough apps :-) | 22:49 |
| RST38h | UI is the only nice thing about Palm | 22:49 |
| mgedmin | yes | 22:49 |
| mgedmin | and the form factor of older, smaller, thinner, lighter palms | 22:49 |
| RST38h | Now, if they took their UI and moved it as a library to Linux or something else, they would be very well off | 22:49 |
| mgedmin | now *that* was pocketable | 22:49 |
| RST38h | Unfortunately, they were THAT stupid to ignore the opportunity | 22:49 |
| glass_ | beos was pretty good | 22:50 |
| glass_ | but being a pretty good os means nothing if you got no users | 22:50 |
| mgedmin | I saw BeOS only once | 22:51 |
| glass_ | which palm will have hard time doing whatever the os they start to use | 22:51 |
| mgedmin | it crashed immediately after booting | 22:51 |
| glass_ | i ran dano(beta of a version that never shipped) for a while | 22:51 |
| glass_ | mgedmin: it needed patches for some modern cpu's | 22:51 |
| glass_ | theres zeta now | 22:52 |
| glass_ | or at least was.. havent checked into it in a while | 22:52 |
| mgedmin | I read about the tricks they had to invent to make C++ libraries binary-compatible | 22:52 |
| mgedmin | defining extra unused virtual methods so the vtables wouldn't change sizes etc. | 22:52 |
| jott | there is also haiku .. | 22:52 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: this is standard | 22:52 |
| mgedmin | it was awesome and contributed to the erosion of my then-belief that C++ was the perfect language ever | 22:53 |
| RST38h | as Nokia switches to QT you are gonna see a LOT of these tricks ;) | 22:53 |
| glass_ | dano got pretty good uptimes though | 22:53 |
| glass_ | never crashed on me.. well the audio subsystem crashed but the audio drivers were buggy.. and the subsystem could be restarted with couple of clicks | 22:53 |
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| jott | well actually Qt uses pimpl all along.. | 22:54 |
| p| | wow | 22:54 |
| p| | new firmware for n800 | 22:54 |
| RST38h | what is pimpl? | 22:54 |
| kkrusty | pimples? | 22:55 |
| kkrusty | i kid | 22:55 |
| jott | private implementation | 22:55 |
| RST38h | but how do they expose apo? | 22:56 |
| RST38h | api | 22:56 |
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| jott | RST38h: http://wiki.qtcentre.org/index.php?title=Private_Implementation there is a short summary | 22:57 |
| RST38h | thanks | 22:58 |
| jsmith | Is this expected? W: GPG error: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG F5925991C8009E74 Nokia repository signing key 1v1 | 22:59 |
| kkrusty | I heard the browser is better in diablo | 23:00 |
| jsmith | kkrusty: Seems to be MicroB 1.0.1... I don't notice anything different yet | 23:02 |
| kkrusty | s/better/faster/ | 23:02 |
| infobot | kkrusty meant: I heard the browser is faster in diablo | 23:02 |
| kkrusty | ah! right | 23:02 |
| kkrusty | I suppose I should backup | 23:03 |
| kkrusty | before anything | 23:03 |
| forge | Placebo efect :) | 23:03 |
| mgedmin | jsmith: I always saw those errors | 23:03 |
| kkrusty | Im not feeling good. I was thinking deja vu when you said Placebo... | 23:03 |
| kkrusty | and some time before I almost brushed with shaving cream | 23:04 |
| kkrusty | :( | 23:04 |
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| mgedmin | wheee DATABASES ARE FILES thread on maemo-whatever@ | 23:05 |
| * mgedmin rotfls | 23:06 | |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 23:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It is a bit better. | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's just not a newer version of Gecko | 23:06 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: oooh, I look forward to that. | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, Jaffa. | 23:06 |
| Jaffa | Of course, on an iSeries: physical files *are* database tables | 23:07 |
| jsmith | GeneralAntilles: Are these GPG invalid signature errors something to worry about? | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not in my experience | 23:08 |
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| RST38bis | xchat installed | 23:09 |
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| Jaffa | mgedmin: oh, that's good. "Or are you claiming that databases take up zero | 23:11 |
| Jaffa | disk space and are stored in the "aether" somehow?" - our new db access layer at work, is codenamed "Aether" :-) | 23:12 |
| RST38h | Shit, somebody needs to upload all these packages (xchat,nethack,etc) to a repository | 23:12 |
| mgedmin | I particularly like the strawman invocation | 23:12 |
| mgedmin | skyhusker's xchat packages are published without sources | 23:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, unfortunately, those someones need to be the maintainers. :\ | 23:13 |
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| mgedmin | GPL violation alert! | 23:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Write his a letter requesting the sources. | 23:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/his/him/ | 23:13 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Write him a letter requesting the sources. | 23:13 |
| RST38h | GA: Well, one can create a rogue repo and put them all there | 23:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, the issue is more of the uploader uploading the package and then forgetting about it | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | so the repo packages and the maintainer's packages get out of sync. | 23:15 |
| RST38h | well, this is ok, at least the package is there | 23:15 |
| * mgedmin sends a polite email asking for the sources | 23:16 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody should pick XChat up | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | since he seems to have mostly abandoned it. | 23:16 |
| mgedmin | I tried once, but doing the port from scratch (= from upstream xchat sources) was too hard | 23:17 |
| RST38h | Color Lines should absolutely be in the repo | 23:17 |
| mgedmin | and the bora package had strange ./configure ifdefs specifically for Maemo version 3.0 | 23:17 |
| RST38h | It is one of the best suited games for the tablet | 23:17 |
| mgedmin | NumptyPhysics too | 23:18 |
| kkrusty | the diablo page doesnt say how to reflash my n800. Can anyone hint me on that? | 23:18 |
| mgedmin | kkrusty: yes | 23:18 |
| Jaffa | kkrusty: the same way you reflash chinook ;-) | 23:18 |
| Jaffa | kkrusty: there's another wiki page, hang on... | 23:18 |
| kkrusty | Jaffa: I've forgotten | 23:18 |
| lbt | FYI: URL for people asking for diablo extras help: http://wiki.maemo.org/Installation#Diablo_Extras | 23:18 |
| lbt | that has the flash stuff | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody really needs to merge the two flashing pages. <_< | 23:19 |
| mgedmin | yay the wiki is DOWN! | 23:19 |
| lbt | I always think of madonna when I see <_< | 23:19 |
| mgedmin | * Connection to 127.0.0.1 Failed | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not down | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Apache threads just crap out every once and a while. :\ | 23:19 |
| mgedmin | schroedinger's wiki | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3280 | 23:20 |
| mgedmin | http://wiki.maemo.org/Getting_started_with_Sardine should probably be shut down now that sardine is gone | 23:20 |
| mgedmin | GeneralAntilles: what was the other wiki page? | 23:21 |
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| mgedmin | ah, found it: http://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS | 23:21 |
| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Upgrading_tablet_OS | 23:21 |
| kkrusty | linux flasher; linux as in the host OS? | 23:21 |
| mgedmin | yes | 23:21 |
| kkrusty | so its not possible with windows? | 23:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | <_< | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | kkrusty, http://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS#Flashing_on_Windows | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | The N810/N800 support page at nokia.com would've told you how. | 23:22 |
| mgedmin | Upgrading_tablet_OS is the saner title, but Installation has more accurate info | 23:23 |
| * mgedmin is trying to merge the two | 23:23 | |
| kkrusty | GeneralAntilles: thanks. | 23:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, they're both accurate | 23:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Installing was just updated for Diablo for some reason. | 23:24 |
| mgedmin | I meant more detailed | 23:24 |
| mgedmin | I guess | 23:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I'd just merge the Flashing Linux instructions from Installation over the Flashing on Linux instructions in Upgrading tablet OS | 23:25 |
| mgedmin | waiting for wiki.maemo.org.... | 23:27 |
| mgedmin | please be up... | 23:27 |
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| sidnei_ | what! diablo released? When!!!!! | 23:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | This morning. . . . | 23:30 |
| kkrusty | no party? | 23:30 |
| NullM0dem | sweet! | 23:30 |
| * sidnei_ calls it a day and goes upgrade to diablo.... | 23:30 | |
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| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: oh really? | 23:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | What really? | 23:32 |
| summatusmentis | Diablo released | 23:32 |
| summatusmentis | definitely didn't know that | 23:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | /topic | 23:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, what, have you not been on the internet all morning? | 23:32 |
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| aquatix | ok, this has likely been asked dozens of times already, but does a flash whipe the internal flashram? | 23:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | "flashram"? | 23:33 |
| aquatix | erm | 23:33 |
| aquatix | the internal drive | 23:33 |
| mgedmin | aquatix: yes, if you mean the 256 MB "hard disk", and no, if you mean the internal 2GB "flash card" | 23:34 |
| aquatix | meh | 23:34 |
| mgedmin | a n810 has two, you see | 23:34 |
| aquatix | flash card | 23:34 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: not really | 23:34 |
| aquatix | dang, i really should clear my mind in the evening :) | 23:34 |
| summatusmentis | coding | 23:34 |
| aquatix | the 256MB flash memory will be nuked of course, but i was wondering about the 2GB flash card | 23:34 |
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| aquatix | too much flashing :) | 23:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, it doesn't touch the cards. | 23:35 |
| chur1 | bad for epileptics | 23:35 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: k, thanks | 23:35 |
| aquatix | just making sure | 23:35 |
| mgedmin | the 2GB flash card nukes itself automatically, without your express involvement | 23:35 |
| mgedmin | at least mine does | 23:35 |
| mgedmin | don't keep valuable data on it | 23:35 |
| aquatix | lol | 23:35 |
| aquatix | mgedmin: corruption? | 23:35 |
| mgedmin | yes | 23:35 |
| aquatix | i've had that too | 23:35 |
| aquatix | not sure what caused it | 23:35 |
| chur1 | can you move valuble data off it onto your removible card? | 23:36 |
| aquatix | maybe i'll format it with another fs | 23:36 |
| aquatix | chur1: sure | 23:36 |
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| lbt | mgedmin: did you steal my lock? | 23:37 |
| lbt | on the wiki? | 23:37 |
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| lbt | <sigh> | 23:37 |
| chur1 | aquatix: thanks | 23:38 |
| aquatix | chur1: just copy with the file manager | 23:38 |
| mgedmin | lbt: lock? | 23:38 |
| aquatix | or use the terminal | 23:38 |
| mgedmin | didn't take nuthin' | 23:38 |
| mgedmin | lbt: I'm trying to merge Installation and Upgrading_tablet_OS pages | 23:39 |
| lbt | I was merging Upgrading_tablet_OS & Installation I guess Mediawiki doesn't lock the pages | 23:39 |
| mgedmin | hahaha | 23:39 |
| mgedmin | sorry :/ | 23:39 |
| lbt | 'sok | 23:39 |
| lbt | I just blatted your changes :) | 23:39 |
| lbt | I'll reapply them | 23:39 |
| mgedmin | the bit about Diablo Extras doesn't seem to fit with the rest of the page... | 23:39 |
| mgedmin | I was stuck trying to decide what to do about it | 23:39 |
| lbt | no - but you'll need it when you upgrade... | 23:40 |
| mgedmin | but now I don't have to, since I can leave the merging to you :-) | 23:40 |
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| lbt | and it's a short term hack... | 23:40 |
| mgedmin | maybe add an "After the upgrade" section? | 23:40 |
| mgedmin | also, mention the maemo extras being disabled bug and the workaround | 23:40 |
| mgedmin | see http://mg.pov.lt/770/reflash-n800.html | 23:40 |
| mgedmin | it has the link, since I don't remember the bug numbers | 23:40 |
| aquatix | still too bad to waste an uptime of 34 days to a flash update ;) | 23:41 |
| lbt | yep - seems OK | 23:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | There must be a program to fake uptime :p | 23:42 |
| aquatix | qwerty12_N800: nah, that's no fun | 23:43 |
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| chibiAcyd | yeah, how else can there be windows servers with uptimes above 30 days | 23:43 |
| aquatix | qwerty12_N800: hm, i installed that new load applet, but it still acts the same | 23:44 |
| * Jaffa despairs at the "diablo released" thread on ITT. | 23:44 | |
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| aquatix | unloaded and reloaded it | 23:44 |
| Jaffa | I think I'm going to offline for the next 12 hours ;-) | 23:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | aquatix, time to lose the uptime ;). give it a reboot. | 23:44 |
| aquatix | qwerty12_N800: myeah, going to flash now anyway | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I couldn't get through it. | 23:45 |
| summatusmentis | so we do have to flash diablo, this last time | 23:45 |
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| summatusmentis | any time afterwards, it'll be fine | 23:45 |
| mgedmin | in theory | 23:46 |
| Jaffa | Theoretically ;-) | 23:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | thats ze master plan, after world domination | 23:46 |
| RST38h | Am I the only one who does not like the default theme in Diablo? | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Even Ubuntu can't manage to get non-"flashing" updates completely right. | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I love it. | 23:46 |
| * Jaffa wonders if there's anything FIASCO contained which has ever changed in the existence of Maemo which can't be upgraded in place? | 23:46 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Compared to the themes from OS2005,6, and 7 it's absolutely fantastic. | 23:46 |
| mgedmin | what? is the theme different from chinook? | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. | 23:47 |
| * Jaffa dittos mgedmin | 23:47 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Just the background. | 23:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, It's the same as chinook except swapped background. | 23:47 |
| Jaffa | Oh, so it's still "echo" but with not the blue bubbles? | 23:47 |
| mgedmin | the theme quality has improved very much | 23:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's got blue squiggles now. | 23:47 |
| Jaffa | shiny | 23:47 |
| RST38h | qwerty: And I hate the background =0 | 23:47 |
| RST38h | Squiggles look like some book from 70s | 23:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, The chinook one is still there :) | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or pick a nice, new, non-abstract one from http://interfacelift.com/ | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo, Engadget picked up Diablo | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | They picked the wrong screenshot, though. | 23:49 |
| Jaffa | Interesting. Diablo image is about 20MB smaller than the chinook image | 23:49 |
| mgedmin | yes | 23:49 |
| mgedmin | it's the smallest OS2008 image | 23:49 |
| RST38h | qwerty: I know it is a stupid question but how do I change the background? | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 23:49 |
| aquatix | now let's hope it's 20% [or more] faster :) | 23:49 |
| mgedmin | RST: go home, open the menu, and look around | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, the menu from the desktop. | 23:49 |
| aquatix | RST38h: just right click the desktop | 23:50 |
| aquatix | duh ;) | 23:50 |
| * RST38h is going to use the one from Ubuntu, made from elephant's ass | 23:50 | |
| * Jaffa is currently using http://bleb.org/software/maemo/background-n800.jpg as his background | 23:50 | |
| mgedmin | ... sounds like an adventure game | 23:50 |
| RST38h | aquatix <-- evil | 23:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, on the desktop tap the word home | 23:50 |
| Jaffa | Oh, btw, does the desktop introduce a "lock applets" mode? | 23:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I recognize that. :P | 23:50 |
| aquatix | RST38h: i know | 23:50 |
| RST38h | I see it! | 23:50 |
| aquatix | RST38h: it's diablo day, duh ;) | 23:50 |
| RST38h | qwerty,mhedmin,GA: thanks! | 23:50 |
| * aquatix makes some more backups | 23:50 | |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: *cough* | 23:50 |
| Navi | Zomg, we were all left below! | 23:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Using this right now: http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper/downloads/01602_sandringhambeach_800x480.jpg | 23:51 |
| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Installation & http://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS mered | 23:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, can I delete Installation? | 23:51 |
| lbt | it's a proper redirect | 23:52 |
| lbt | no need | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Already dealt with | 23:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Thanks. | 23:52 |
| mgedmin | yay | 23:52 |
| lbt | old links work | 23:52 |
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| * aquatix thinks it's cool how his n810 has a /cdrom | 23:53 | |
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| lbt | GeneralAntilles: FWIW: http://wiki.maemo.org/Installation?redirect=no&action=edit | 23:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I see it. ;) Thanks! | 23:55 |
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| kkrusty | I just remembered something after reflashing | 23:58 |
| kkrusty | what about all those packages? | 23:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you make a backup? | 23:58 |
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| kkrusty | I didnt make one but that was intentional. Im wondering whether those packages will be available to be installed | 23:59 |
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