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| Cyorxamp | Does anyone in here have a Nokia E51 and can tell me if the built in SIP client can work over a 3G connection as well as the WiFi? | 00:00 |
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| aquatix | [i: inplace editing, a: place cursor to the right, edit | 00:00 |
| n800m | ok, here goes | 00:00 |
| Naked | GeneralAntilles: I'm not afraid of dev versions, can I get diablo builds somewhere? | 00:00 |
| Naked | Cyorxamp: works like a dream | 00:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | You have to get the password to the repo from an apt .patch | 00:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then you can upgrade using SSU. | 00:01 |
| Cyorxamp | Naked: its a E51 you own? | 00:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Naked, http://mariusv.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/a-pleasant-surprise/ | 00:02 |
| lcuk | heh :D thats quant, no kinetic, the menu is odd, theres no configure cpu, scrolltest isnt right and theres lots of framecounters :D wicked | 00:02 |
| Naked | GeneralAntilles: great! thanks! | 00:02 |
| Cyorxamp | Was thinking of getting the E51 + N810WiMax, then I'm sorted for SIP whether I have the PDA or not... and also a 3G Modem until we get WiMax properly over here | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: :) | 00:02 |
| Naked | Cyorxamp: the very same | 00:02 |
| lcuk | and sketches dont save ;) | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | as i said, 2months old | 00:02 |
| lcuk | its the basics though :) | 00:02 |
| Cyorxamp | Naked: cool, so if I'm on Wifi and 3G - does the nokia prioritize or something for internet calling? | 00:03 |
| Naked | Cyorxamp: battery life is a bummer for E51, esp. with 3G/2ifi | 00:03 |
| * lcuk confirms source is still available for that | 00:03 | |
| Naked | Cyorxamp: I hardly get through a day without charging, sometimes not... | 00:03 |
| Cyorxamp | I'll prob get a desktop stand for work and home like I do with my current nokia | 00:04 |
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| Naked | Cyorxamp: you have to define the access point it uses for the SIP registration - but you can change it easily | 00:04 |
| Cyorxamp | it's the only AD2P+ARVCP, HSDPA, SIP, good looking nokia I can find! | 00:04 |
| KotCzarny | so many acronyms in one sentence.. | 00:04 |
| * KotCzarny grins | 00:04 | |
| Naked | Cyorxamp: A2DP works nicely, too | 00:05 |
| Cyorxamp | how many identities can it handle? just the one | 00:05 |
| Cyorxamp | I have my own PBX in a server room, so it'll prob just connect to that | 00:05 |
| n800m | yeah learning vi with a sytlus is a freakin blast | 00:06 |
| Naked | Cyorxamp: several can be registered at once | 00:06 |
| Cyorxamp | cool | 00:06 |
| Naked | Cyorxamp: but you need to pick which one you use for outgoing calls | 00:06 |
| Cyorxamp | ok sounds like a good transitional phone then. people can be calling in on what is a normal mobile number | 00:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | n800m, that's what the dpad is for. | 00:06 |
| Cyorxamp | while I can call out cheaply with my phone system :P | 00:06 |
| lcuk | liqbase_20080405_playtest_src.zip phew! | 00:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | You don't use a mouse with vi. | 00:06 |
| n800m | :D | 00:07 |
| Cyorxamp | does anyone know time frame we can get the WiMax 810 in the UK? | 00:07 |
| n800m | i keep forgetting about the dpad | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | when it's done | 00:07 |
| Cyorxamp | Pipex are expanding the WiMax network in september | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | ie. no date | 00:08 |
| rm_you | lcuk: Open Source! Open Source! Open Source! Open Source! Open Source! | 00:08 |
| Cyorxamp | well is there any harm in importing it? | 00:08 |
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| Naked | Cyorxamp: the firmware is buggy - some crashes etc. - but then again, what phone isn't these days | 00:08 |
| mgedmin | okay, I give up | 00:08 |
| mgedmin | what does 'SSU' stand for? | 00:08 |
| mgedmin | single something update? | 00:08 |
| Cyorxamp | Naked: E51? | 00:08 |
| KotCzarny | seamless | 00:08 |
| Naked | Cyorxamp: yeah | 00:08 |
| rm_you | lcuk: got to prod you at least twice a day... :P | 00:08 |
| Cyorxamp | Naked:co looks like theres updates for it tho | 00:08 |
| lcuk | rm :) and i thank you for it | 00:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet_OS#Diablo | 00:09 |
| Cyorxamp | KotCzarny: were you speaking to me before? | 00:09 |
| rm_you | lcuk: show me your thanks by releasing liqbase as OSS :P | 00:09 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 00:09 |
| lcuk | if its any concelation, my missus thinks i should just upload it and stop playing on maemo. | 00:09 |
| KotCzarny | i don't know | 00:09 |
| Naked | Cyorxamp: I got a crash when answering a phone call with A2DP on with the latest firmware, for example | 00:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rather, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet_OS#Updating mgedmin | 00:09 |
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| lcuk | should i stop playing with my 810? | 00:10 |
| mgedmin | ahh, "seamless software update" | 00:10 |
| mgedmin | heh | 00:10 |
| KotCzarny | what would you do then? | 00:10 |
| lcuk | (and im not on about just tonight) | 00:10 |
| Cyorxamp | Naked: I thought A2DP was 2 speaker, no microphone | 00:10 |
| unique311 | lcuk, tell your missus maemo is not a game, its a way of life... | 00:10 |
| mgedmin | I wish them luck | 00:10 |
| mgedmin | ubuntu hasn't managed "seamless" yet | 00:10 |
| aquatix | lcuk: well, don't stop completely | 00:10 |
| lcuk | then for now i continue working towards a decent software release :) | 00:10 |
| n800m | how do i do shift+ key with the onscreen kb? | 00:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, works OK already for upgrading Chinook. ;) | 00:11 |
| mgedmin | then again old versions of system libs in /usr/local/ would break anything | 00:11 |
| aquatix | but maybe she needs more time with you? :) | 00:11 |
| lcuk | it is all or nothing... | 00:11 |
| lcuk | yes | 00:11 |
| Naked | Cyorxamp: it is, my headphones just do headset as well | 00:11 |
| * lcuk has a plan though :) | 00:11 | |
| * aquatix knows the feeling | 00:11 | |
| aquatix | share way too much quality time with my gadgets | 00:11 |
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| rm_you | lcuk: if you REALLY are that set on it, fine, get everything seperated out into different apps... THEN release *all* of the source for all of them | 00:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | All-or-nothing is definitely not compliant with "release early, release often". ;) | 00:12 |
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| Cyorxamp | Naked: I've got a Plantronics 590A, blue tooth headphones and headset... supports A2DP and knows (if listening to music on PC) if your phones calling to give you the choice of answering | 00:12 |
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| lcuk | what if i just released the bits which comprise a central library to make your own apps ? ;) | 00:12 |
| * lcuk teases you | 00:12 | |
| rm_you | lcuk: have you ever read "The Cathedral and the Bazaar"? :P | 00:12 |
| Cyorxamp | Naked: but I thought the phone would use the old profile... while the stereo the new profile... so does A2DP support 2 speakers and a Mic ? | 00:12 |
| lcuk | actually no, i know i should | 00:12 |
| * RST38h burps at the mention of that essay | 00:13 | |
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| * lcuk reads it in liqreader | 00:13 | |
| rm_you | lcuk: it's basically like... | 00:13 |
| rm_you | ... | 00:13 |
| Naked | Cyorxamp: nope, it switches to headset profile when there's a call | 00:13 |
| Cyorxamp | thats what I thought | 00:13 |
| rm_you | the closest thing I can think of to compare it to is... my Bible | 00:13 |
| RST38h | [at this point, God is probably considering how to smite rm_you] | 00:14 |
| Cyorxamp | Naked: so for calls my phone doesn't need A2DP even if my headset says it does... its only if my phone wants to play music (which I don't care about) ? | 00:14 |
| rm_you | and a few of RMS' rants are like... gospels :P | 00:14 |
| rm_you | Cyorxamp: yes | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | smite him with a wince device! | 00:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody running Diablo with a Bluetooth keyboard? | 00:14 |
| * Gadgetoid owns a wince device :( | 00:15 | |
| Cyorxamp | OK does a bluetooth profile of stereo + mic even exist? | 00:15 |
| Cyorxamp | That would be ideal for a gamers headset | 00:15 |
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| n800m | is there a way to do shift + key on the n800? | 00:15 |
| rm_you | Cyorxamp: dunno, tried it with Teamspeak, couldnt get the mic to work | 00:15 |
| Cyorxamp | rm_you: the 590A ? | 00:15 |
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| rm_you | Cyorxamp: no, my crazy Japanese Logitec thing (NOT Logitech) | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 00:16 |
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| * GeneralAntilles pokes a stick in johnx's direction. | 00:16 | |
| Naked | Cyorxamp: true, although the phone will register A2DP by default I think, regardless if you play music or not - in any case, I was listening to music then | 00:17 |
| Gadgetoid | I have approximately one day to brush up on the N810 before I need to start using/reviewing it... it looks like it embodies everything I love about gadgets apart from the wishful "people on the street thrusting it into my hands along with fist-fulls of cash" quality | 00:17 |
| Cyorxamp | rm_you: Naked: http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/R11TU5363OMV8R/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm | 00:17 |
| Cyorxamp | thats my review of the Plantronics 590A ... I'd have expected more really | 00:17 |
| rm_you | Gadgetoid: lol | 00:17 |
| rm_you | Gadgetoid: well, I hope you like it :P | 00:18 |
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| Cyorxamp | Naked: right so since I don't need to use my nokia for music, then probably re-look at what nokia has to offer without that as a mandorary field | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | Gadgetoid: just don't compare it to phones | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:18 |
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| Gadgetoid | rm_you: I think I'm dead set for liking it, which is sad really! | 00:18 |
| * lcuk ponders | 00:18 | |
| Naked | Cyorxamp: yeah, A2DP is useless, except for music | 00:18 |
| * KotCzarny kills temple priests | 00:19 | |
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| Gadgetoid | KotCzarny: I was considering comparing it, in some ways, to the HTC Kaiser but it beats it hands down in more or less everything bar out-of-the-box PIM and ... well, making phone calls | 00:19 |
| rm_you | lol | 00:19 |
| Gadgetoid | Even the 810 screen resolution makes me weep tears of bitter joy! | 00:19 |
| rm_you | yes. please don't be one of those reviewers that says: "well... it sucks at making phone calls tho, so i hate it" >_> | 00:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gadgetoid, you tried SIP through sipphone.com with the built-in sip client? | 00:19 |
| rm_you | Gadgetoid: yeah, check out mplayer + tablet-encode | 00:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 00:20 |
| rm_you | ridiculous looking videos | 00:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org | 00:20 |
| Gadgetoid | GeneralAnt: I generally don't make phone calls on my phone anyway :D | 00:20 |
| lcuk | Gadgetoid, you know when you play crysis at 1600*1200 on an old graphics card. the impression is similar ... | 00:20 |
| Naked | Cyorxamp: though with those feature requirements, I think E51 is your best bet anyway... | 00:21 |
| Gadgetoid | Well it's refreshing to come here and find a community to back up the 810, when looking at a linux-based device with so much potential for development I think the community is essential... specially when you can run IRC on the ruddy thing and idle here! | 00:21 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 00:21 |
| KotCzarny | irc is a time waster | 00:22 |
| Gadgetoid | It reminds me of my GP2X days! | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | addictive though | 00:22 |
| Cyorxamp | Naked: well now I'm just after built in SIP client, HSDPA capable... and something NOT FANCY and looks like a bloody phone! (since it'll mix with a N810 anyway!) | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | Gadgetoid: check pupnik.de | 00:22 |
| Gadgetoid | Yes I was a recovering IRC addict until about 5 minutes ago.. damn! | 00:22 |
| Cyorxamp | Naked: I've been using the nokia developer forum advanced search tool | 00:22 |
| lcuk | Gadgetoid, back away from your irc client and get back on the wagon | 00:23 |
| Gadgetoid | Playable SNES speeds on the N800? I think I might have to buy an N810 instead of an HTC Touch Pro | 00:23 |
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| rm_you | Gadgetoid: seen lcuk's video? :P | 00:24 |
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| Gadgetoid | rm_you: Nope! I've yet to even get hold of the N810, just "signed" the loan agreement this morning and decided to do some background work in the interim... so I know little to nothing about it! | 00:24 |
| Cyorxamp | Naked: although its only the N and E series that have the SIP (non-UMA) voip capabilties, so you're right... still after a E51 then, dispite being like £150! | 00:25 |
| Cyorxamp | at a good price | 00:25 |
| rm_you | lcuk: link him to your video | 00:25 |
| rm_you | lcuk: and then release a beta + source :P | 00:25 |
| Cyorxamp | Naked: do you know if its hard to get it to play Ogg Vorbis, if its gonna have AD2P might as well use it!! | 00:25 |
| rm_you | Cyorxamp: install the ogg-vorbis packages | 00:26 |
| rm_you | that should be it | 00:26 |
| Cyorxamp | rm_you: on about symbian s60 on e51 | 00:27 |
| Cyorxamp | sorry for confusion | 00:27 |
| rm_you | oh :P | 00:27 |
| rm_you | lol | 00:27 |
| Gadgetoid | I might be up for bringing coverage of goog maemo development projects to Gadgetoid, and certainly up for any good writer to do it for me, heh! | 00:27 |
| Gadgetoid | Although I do have a nasty habit of over-diversifying my content to the point where visitors can't tell what on earth it's all about | 00:27 |
| n800m | would this work? edit the .py that's in root, save it as something else and then replace/rename in xterm? | 00:28 |
| n800m | edit with emelfm2 first, then save copy, then replace in root | 00:29 |
| n800m | instead of editing with vi | 00:29 |
| Naked | Cyorxamp: haven't tried ogg - streaming internet radio over 3G works fine, though | 00:29 |
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| Gadgetoid | Okay... FreeRA, that Baldurs Gate screenshot...Links2... why was I ever suckered into windows mobile! | 00:31 |
| aquatix | those questions of life... | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gadgetoid, be sure to check out FBReader, Maemo Mapper, Vagalume, HAVA, Doom, ScummVM, and GarnetVM. ;) | 00:33 |
| lcuk | and numptyphysics | 00:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 00:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | and Quake I and II. ;) | 00:34 |
| n800m | descent is good to | 00:34 |
| Gadgetoid | GeneralAnt: You had me at ScummVM... I don't read backwards it just caught my eye! | 00:34 |
| Gadgetoid | Descent!? | 00:34 |
| Gadgetoid | No way! | 00:34 |
| lardman | bmidgley: Are you about? | 00:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Also: http://fms.komkon.org/ | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | Gadgetoid: and of course vnc, so you can use pc to play games | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | (or remote desktop for some) | 00:35 |
| Gadgetoid | Aye, I'm a Mac user and my windows mobile device doesn't play nice! | 00:36 |
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| lopz | re | 00:36 |
| n800m | quiver is cool too | 00:36 |
| n800m | and diskusage <3 | 00:37 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 00:37 |
| KotCzarny | nobody mentioned canola2 | 00:37 |
| n800m | xournal | 00:37 |
| KotCzarny | s/nobody/noone | 00:37 |
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| rm_you | advanced-backlight! :P | 00:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 00:37 |
| rm_you | lol | 00:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:37 |
| n800m | evince rules also | 00:37 |
| * Gadgetoid frantically takes notes | 00:37 | |
| lcuk | apt-get is a good little game | 00:37 |
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| Fatal | I've completed it, twice | 00:38 |
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| Gadgetoid | apt-get is fun, when it doesn't somehow completely render my OS unbootable for some bizarre reason, even after a reinstall | 00:38 |
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| rm_you | oh yeah, if no one mentioned it, the link to gronmayer in the /topic is important | 00:38 |
| KotCzarny | repo hell? | 00:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:38 |
| n800m | whoa 843 people in #debian | 00:40 |
| n800m | scary | 00:40 |
| KotCzarny | only? | 00:40 |
| lardman | johnx: are the a2dp scripts/tools yours? | 00:41 |
| n800m | thats the most i've ever seen in one chan | 00:41 |
| KotCzarny | i though more people use debian in the world | 00:41 |
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| Gadgetoid | Every debian user signed on at once! | 00:41 |
| Gadgetoid | Twice. | 00:41 |
| Gadgetoid | Everyone knows that ZipSlack is the future! | 00:41 |
| qos | does somebody know if it is possible to use vala for creating hildon deskop applets? | 00:41 |
| KotCzarny | iosafe.com/3.5-press-release | 00:42 |
| KotCzarny | now if they included emp protection too.. | 00:42 |
| rm_you | lardman: yes those are his | 00:42 |
| lardman | rm_you: cool, just checking for an email I'm writing | 00:42 |
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| lardman | rm_you: thanks | 00:42 |
| n800m | Gadgetoid if you wanna impress somebody get numpty physics | 00:43 |
| Gadgetoid | Got a linky? | 00:43 |
| rm_you | n800m: i still don't know what that is / does | 00:43 |
| n800m | yes, n8x0 + numpty physics = sex | 00:43 |
| n800m | try it out | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | n800m: can you get preggy from it? | 00:44 |
| n800m | i just discovered the user levels the other day | 00:44 |
| Gadgetoid | Rest assured I will! | 00:44 |
| n800m | haha KC | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | or stds.. | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | in that matter | 00:44 |
| n800m | also gpe calendar is decent | 00:45 |
| n800m | and that whole suite | 00:45 |
| Gadgetoid | Just asked for an extended loan period, I'm never going to cover this stuff in a matter of days! | 00:45 |
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| KotCzarny | you will | 00:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:45 |
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| Gadgetoid | After trying to write particle simulations in Xna I've gained a deep appreciation for what people go through to create stuff like Numpty | 00:46 |
| n800m | man i've installed emjayes' rotate thingy and using my power key sucks now. | 00:46 |
| n800m | yeah it's pretty amazing | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | Gadgetoid: and for screen rotating.. well, it's possible with a patch to the kernel and x server | 00:48 |
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| KotCzarny | not yet in os because most apps are unaware of that possibility | 00:49 |
| KotCzarny | but works well enough | 00:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:49 |
| Gadgetoid | KotCzarny: Would be good for ebook reading! | 00:49 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 00:49 |
| n800m | not needed | 00:49 |
| KotCzarny | webpage browsing too | 00:49 |
| n800m | fbreader has its own | 00:50 |
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| Gadgetoid | Shiny! | 00:50 |
| KotCzarny | n800m: show me a browser which does content rotating on maemo | 00:50 |
| rm_you | lcuk: did you link him to your video yet? | 00:50 |
| n800m | he said ebook reading | 00:50 |
| n800m | i thought of fbreader | 00:50 |
| KotCzarny | i said web browsing :) | 00:50 |
| n800m | <n800m> not needed | 00:51 |
| n800m | <KotCzarny> webpage browsing too | 00:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol <_< | 00:51 |
| n800m | did you see those lines in the same order? | 00:51 |
| KotCzarny | but mind you, rotation done in hw is faster i guess | 00:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The disadvantage the FBReader implementation has is that it's rendered against the draw direction of the panel when it's rotated. xrandr changes the draw direction, too. | 00:53 |
| n800m | eh | 00:53 |
| n800m | it reads text | 00:53 |
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| rm_you | I still like lcuk's app better than any other ebook reader i think... and he still refuses to release it >_< | 00:54 |
| KotCzarny | he will | 00:54 |
| KotCzarny | just wait till it's releaseable | 00:54 |
| Gadgetoid | You can't rush perfection, eh? | 00:54 |
| RST38h | Kot,rm_you,General: http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo/new.php | 00:55 |
| RST38h | Enjoy | 00:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, must better on the duplicates. | 00:55 |
| KotCzarny | implement search ordering | 00:55 |
| rm_you | RST38h: better... still uses mouse hover >_> | 00:55 |
| RST38h | rm_you: click on the arrow. | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | ie. exact matching > package name matching > description matching | 00:56 |
| rm_you | that should probably be on the left, before the package name | 00:56 |
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| rm_you | that's where dropdowns are (by convention) | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | rst: add onmouseover or img:hover | 00:56 |
| rm_you | .... | 00:56 |
| rm_you | KotCzarny: you realize the tablet doesn't HAVE a mouse to hover, right? | 00:57 |
| rm_you | so any mousehover things will be entirely useless (and posibly INTERFERE) on the tablet | 00:57 |
| KotCzarny | ..yet | 00:57 |
| Gadgetoid | Not selecting the drop downs does a search across all? | 00:57 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 00:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something to that effect should probably be indicated. Either the default option should be "All" or there should be a note. | 00:58 |
| Gadgetoid | Search: god Found: stsstat | 00:58 |
| rm_you | am I the *only* person that thinks it would be a bad idea to use effects that your main audience CANT USE?! | 00:58 |
| Gadgetoid | Needs an option to search title/description/both | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, rm_you, I'm just too apathetic to argue it. :P | 00:58 |
| KotCzarny | rm_you: YET | 00:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:59 |
| n800m | can i use gedit in maemo? | 00:59 |
| rm_you | KotCzarny: STFU >_< | 00:59 |
| rm_you | sorry, frustrating since obviously no one is listening to me | 00:59 |
| KotCzarny | better implement it now, when he is in coding mood | 00:59 |
| rm_you | and i'm still in web designer mode | 00:59 |
| KotCzarny | than bug him later | 00:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:59 |
| rm_you | .... | 00:59 |
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| Gadgetoid | What, no emacs? :D | 01:00 |
| rm_you | javascript for navigation (even hints) is something I wish I could erradicate from the web | 01:00 |
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| rm_you | and SO many people use it | 01:00 |
| rm_you | it's *horrible* | 01:00 |
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| KotCzarny | rm_you: what standards do nit browser comply to? | 01:00 |
| n800m | so i can't use shift + key combo on n800? | 01:00 |
| Gadgetoid | Flash and AJAX should go with it, rm_you | 01:00 |
| rm_you | KotCzarny: it's not that the browser doesn't support it | 01:01 |
| Veggen | ajax has a purpose, sometimes. | 01:01 |
| rm_you | have you looked at your tablet recently? | 01:01 |
| rm_you | do you *SEE* a mouse cursor? | 01:01 |
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| Veggen | but javascript menus, no. | 01:01 |
| rm_you | the answer is NO, fyi | 01:01 |
| RST38h | Kot: the ordering stuff is not possible with sql afaik | 01:01 |
| rm_you | you can't use mouseover if you don't know where the mouse is | 01:01 |
| KotCzarny | rm_you: but for someone who enabled mouse cursor it will be ok :) | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah mouseover necessarily comes with a click, too. | 01:02 |
| Gadgetoid | Javascript anything is fine as long as you add it via the dom and it degrades gracefully to something usable | 01:02 |
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| RST38h | Folks, just forget about mouseover | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | So it's 100% pointless on the tablet. | 01:02 |
| rm_you | WORSE, if the cursor gets left somewhere in the middle of the screen, the user won't immediately know why weird things are happening | 01:02 |
| rm_you | because they can't see it | 01:02 |
| RST38h | It works all right | 01:02 |
| KotCzarny | nope. | 01:02 |
| rm_you | KotCzarny: which is basically no one | 01:02 |
| KotCzarny | someone could use it | 01:02 |
| RST38h | There is an arrow to click | 01:02 |
| KotCzarny | but | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, arrow should be on the left side | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | and point towards the right/down. | 01:02 |
| rm_you | RST38h: move the arrow to the left of the package name | 01:02 |
| rm_you | and i'll stop bitching | 01:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | or add little 'click for desc' below | 01:03 |
| Gadgetoid | The package name should be linked, imo | 01:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Still not loving the dashed border | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | right now there's no way to guess you can see the desc by clicking anything | 01:03 |
| Gadgetoid | Also the brief description shouldn't be centered | 01:04 |
| Gadgetoid | But, that said, I'm reading it on a desktop display so it might look better at 800 | 01:04 |
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| rm_you | RST38h: oh, did you want me to host that for you? i remember you were looking for hosting last time | 01:05 |
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| Gadgetoid | You're also not using real links, eliminating tab indexing and nerfing accessibility | 01:07 |
| KotCzarny | well | 01:08 |
| KotCzarny | it's for tablet anyway | 01:08 |
| KotCzarny | which isn't so accessible for blind | 01:08 |
| * KotCzarny grins | 01:08 | |
| Gadgetoid | I would hazard a guess you can select things with arrow keys or 4-way nav though | 01:08 |
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| Gadgetoid | "things" being links | 01:08 |
| MangoFusion__ | well unless it had speech recognition and a screen reader | 01:08 |
| n800m | do you guys use the system sounds or do you have them turned off? | 01:09 |
| KotCzarny | off | 01:10 |
| MangoFusion__ | that clicking is sooooo annoying after 5 minutes | 01:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It'd like to keep it for the finger keyboard | 01:10 |
| Gadgetoid | I'm seeing duplicate results in a search for "apt" weird | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | but off for other things | 01:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I used to keep the hardkey sounds on | 01:11 |
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| rm_you | Gadgetoid: it shows all revisions, i think | 01:11 |
| Gadgetoid | Not a revision, it's a version for version duplicate | 01:12 |
| n800m | are there any text editors ported to maemo yet? | 01:12 |
| Gadgetoid | Unless it's such a minor point release that it kept the same version number | 01:12 |
| KotCzarny | n800m: mcedit, nano, vi | 01:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:13 |
| KotCzarny | abiword too i guess | 01:13 |
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| KotCzarny | and emacs | 01:13 |
| rm_you | Gadgetoid: nah i see you're right | 01:13 |
| rm_you | Gadgetoid: it's a work in progress <_< | 01:13 |
| Gadgetoid | As long as I'm not going insane! | 01:14 |
| n800m | abiword? | 01:14 |
| n800m | sweet | 01:14 |
| KotCzarny | but i have heard it's unstable | 01:14 |
| KotCzarny | well, it's unstable on pc too | 01:14 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:14 |
| Gadgetoid | PCs are unstable, kaboom! | 01:14 |
| n800m | where do i get mcedit? | 01:15 |
| KotCzarny | just install mc | 01:15 |
| n800m | never tried that one | 01:15 |
| KotCzarny | it's included in mc | 01:15 |
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| Gadgetoid | Ouch even the b-stock N810 is £286 from expansys | 01:16 |
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| rm_you | Gadgetoid: personally I still prefer the n800 >_> | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | me too | 01:17 |
| Gadgetoid | rm_you: I'm very fond of hardware keyboards though! | 01:17 |
| MangoFusion__ | y'know, i'm surprised that nobody has made a papercraft n810 | 01:17 |
| rm_you | cheaper (down under $200 when on sale, which is often), has two full-size SDHC slots | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | one thing i would like is the screen | 01:17 |
| rm_you | I prefer my own GPS and bluetooth keyboard anyway | 01:18 |
| Gadgetoid | That said my Vario 3 has a keyboard, GPS and internet connectivity | 01:18 |
| Gadgetoid | And £150 for an N800 at Play.com sounds like a bargain | 01:18 |
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| Gadgetoid | And two full-size SDHC slots is pretty drool-worthy, it had to be said | 01:20 |
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| KotCzarny | yup | 01:20 |
| Gadgetoid | Anyone got one to work with an Apple bluetooth keyboard? | 01:20 |
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| MangoFusion__ | yes | 01:21 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 01:21 |
| Gadgetoid | Nice! | 01:21 |
| MangoFusion__ | which reminds me, i need to sell mine | 01:21 |
| Gadgetoid | Apple keyboard? why! | 01:21 |
| Gadgetoid | Best PS3 accessory, ever! | 01:21 |
| MangoFusion__ | it's the big white version | 01:21 |
| Gadgetoid | Euch! | 01:21 |
| Gadgetoid | I had one of those, they're a bastard for not only getting full of crap but showing it off through their transparent sides | 01:22 |
| Gadgetoid | Worst. Keyboard. Ever. | 01:22 |
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| Gadgetoid | I tried to vacuum the crud out and ended up digging through dust looking for my apple key | 01:22 |
| Gadgetoid | Dumbest. Idea. Ever! | 01:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Gotta stick 'em in the dish washer. | 01:23 |
| Gadgetoid | Not sure that works so well with bluetooth keyboards | 01:23 |
| rm_you | take off the keys and dishwash them | 01:23 |
| rm_you | it should work | 01:24 |
| KotCzarny | just don't eat near the computer? | 01:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:24 |
| rm_you | as long as you dry them completely :P | 01:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can dish wash motherboards. | 01:24 |
| Gadgetoid | I wouldn't want to try that... | 01:24 |
| * GeneralAntilles remembers refurbishing a PII lab in middle school. | 01:25 | |
| Gadgetoid | All right for some... I did middle school computing on Acorns | 01:25 |
| Gadgetoid | Shame the n800 has no buttons on the right hand side | 01:26 |
| lcuk | i once put my brand new nvidia 5900 under the tap | 01:26 |
| lcuk | turn it over ;) | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gadgetoid, some bullshit about appealing to business-types. :| | 01:26 |
| Gadgetoid | I once put a brand new Ti4200 in my computer... in retrospect I wish I had put it under the tap! | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Duplicating the buttons over onto the right side would so win. | 01:27 |
| Gadgetoid | It would be awesome | 01:27 |
| KotCzarny | more buttons! | 01:27 |
| Gadgetoid | But I guess games have to rely on a small portion of the touch screen to make up for the lack of buttons | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha, another Mac user burned by Nvidia, lcuk. ;) | 01:27 |
| Gadgetoid | I'm digging the price of the 800, but the 810 keyboard has gotta be handy | 01:27 |
| lcuk | no, was a coke accident whilst installing in my pc | 01:27 |
| rm_you | lol | 01:28 |
| KotCzarny | 'coke accident', hah | 01:28 |
| rm_you | I loved my ti4200 <_< | 01:28 |
| KotCzarny | don't do drugs and it | 01:28 |
| lcuk | coke + dust bunnies == sticky mess | 01:28 |
| Gadgetoid | Don't snort coke off new graphics cards | 01:28 |
| rm_you | it's up there with my voodoo3 for nostalgic cards :P | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gadgetoid, personally, I do just fine with the N800's finger keyboard. | 01:28 |
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| rm_you | Gadgetoid: you'd have to try both I think | 01:28 |
| Gadgetoid | rm_you: I think you're right | 01:29 |
| rm_you | n800 works for some people | 01:29 |
| KotCzarny | me! | 01:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:29 |
| Gadgetoid | But I think after trying the 810 it might be hard to go for the 800.. although much easier to justify to my other half. I will certainly see if I can get one on loan! | 01:29 |
| KotCzarny | get both? | 01:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, ping | 01:29 |
| Gadgetoid | Haha if I get both my case for an Acer Aspire One will be shot to hell | 01:30 |
| dneary | pong, but not for long | 01:30 |
| dneary | Going to bed | 01:30 |
| rm_you | Gadgetoid: after using the n810, i might WANT to go back to the n800... again, mainly for space | 01:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3-column looks fine | 01:30 |
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| Gadgetoid | rm_you: dual SD slots make that much of a difference? | 01:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | I added my cool new template to your userpage now that the ParserFunctions plugin has been installed. | 01:30 |
| Gadgetoid | Ah support for up to 32gb... yeesh | 01:31 |
| rm_you | n810 is one SD-mini | 01:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | 64GB vs 14GB? Yes. | 01:31 |
| rm_you | n800 is TWO fullsize SDHC | 01:31 |
| Gadgetoid | No 32gb SDHC yet? | 01:31 |
| rm_you | yeah its out | 01:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 32GB have been out for a while. | 01:31 |
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| pekuja | it's a shame they took the other one out and made it smaller. two SDHC's gives you a lot of capacity | 01:31 |
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| Gadgetoid | Haven't seen any myself... at least not for under £200 | 01:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, the other one is still there | 01:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | it's just soldered on. | 01:32 |
| rm_you | http://www.techonweb.com/products/productdetail.aspx?id=A01T5J&src=FG | 01:32 |
| pekuja | well, ok, yeah, but it's not all that big | 01:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd rather they had bundled the maps on a 2GB MicroSD and kept the second slot. | 01:32 |
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| Gadgetoid | Weird I just got a paper cut, despite being nowhere near any form of paper | 01:32 |
| pekuja | you got a Macbook Air? | 01:33 |
| Gadgetoid | Hahahahahahaha! | 01:33 |
| rm_you | lol | 01:33 |
| Gadgetoid | Nah if I sat like this with a Macbook Air it would cut me in half | 01:33 |
| Gadgetoid | Rather than the MacBook Pro which just gently cooks me through | 01:33 |
| Gadgetoid | What the N800 needs is a Slingplayer client | 01:34 |
| wolfspirit | Has anyone had an issue where after you flash your n800/810 with the dual boot option when in flash mode the buttons lock up on you if you lock the touchscreen? | 01:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gadgetoid, HAVA. | 01:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://myhava.com/ | 01:35 |
| lcuk | wolfspirit, how are you locking | 01:35 |
| rm_you | so... 32gb sandisk SDHC: http://www.datavis.com/Sandisk-32GB-Ultra-II-SecureDigital-High-Capacity-Card.html | 01:37 |
| rm_you | tempting | 01:37 |
| rm_you | but not really | 01:37 |
| Gadgetoid | GeneralAnt: hava looks US only? | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Uh, don't think so. | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno, though. | 01:38 |
| wolfspirit | Hitting the power button and selecting lock touchscreen sometimes it works and other times it locks the buttons too | 01:38 |
| wolfspirit | and i have to remove the battery to restart | 01:38 |
| lcuk | i only use the lock slider and my 810 and it locks everything | 01:39 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Cool, thanks | 01:39 |
| dneary | I think we're going to switch definitively tomorrow & finish the migration live | 01:40 |
| lcuk | but the slider works to unlock it again | 01:40 |
| dneary | Night all | 01:40 |
| lcuk | nite dave | 01:40 |
| Gadgetoid | Righty tighty, I'm off for BSG and sleep! I'll be back. | 01:42 |
| Gadgetoid | Thanks for all the links, info and whatnot; will be a huge help | 01:42 |
| rm_you | night | 01:42 |
| RST38h | All right, I have figured out sorting and depends browsing | 01:42 |
| rm_you | RST38h: did you move the arrow? | 01:43 |
| KotCzarny | order by name,repo,desc ? | 01:43 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:43 |
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| wolfspirit | The n800 doesn't have a lock slider | 01:43 |
| RST38h | Kot: yep | 01:43 |
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| KotCzarny | sql is fun | 01:43 |
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| lcuk | wofl, sorry only have 810, you mentioned prob there | 01:44 |
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| * lcuk will be using sqlite soon enough | 01:45 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:45 |
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| bedboi | hi there. | 02:41 |
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| bedboi | i know i should not ask about diablo repo pass | 02:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then don't. ;) | 02:42 |
| bedboi | :) | 02:42 |
| bedboi | i will just ask an hint | 02:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | The hints are everywhere. | 02:43 |
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| gentooer | why does everyone use ext2 on their n8x0? why not ext3? | 02:45 |
| * KotCzarny uses ext3 | 02:46 | |
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| gentooer | ok so there are no unique reasons not to use ext3? | 02:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Could potentially negatively impact flash life. | 02:47 |
| glass | yea | 02:47 |
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| glass | and a small part of it too, no? the one containing the journal? | 02:48 |
| KotCzarny | 'could' | 02:48 |
| KotCzarny | that's a fud. | 02:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | The wear leveling should take care of that. | 02:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it's more total writes. | 02:48 |
| KotCzarny | numbers please. | 02:48 |
| KotCzarny | ext2 fscks on crashes | 02:49 |
| KotCzarny | and afair nit doesn't shutdown properly | 02:49 |
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| KotCzarny | so expect fsck on every reboot | 02:49 |
| gentooer | i think i'll go with ext3, flash is cheap :) | 02:49 |
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| KotCzarny | yeah | 02:49 |
| KotCzarny | one thing to note is to make sure you mount it noatime | 02:50 |
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| gentooer | ok | 02:51 |
| bedboi | <GeneralAntilles> The hints are everywhere. <-- this is quite generic | 02:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | They are, though. | 02:52 |
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| bedboi | GeneralAntilles: i just need a week to read the thread on ITT | 03:00 |
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| GAN800 | It's not that long. Unless you're the slowest reader on the planet. | 03:02 |
| GAN800 | You can skip the first 30 pages or so, too! | 03:03 |
| NullM0dem | lol 30 pages | 03:04 |
| GAN800 | It's not hard to skim | 03:04 |
| NullM0dem | whats the article? is it in topic? | 03:04 |
| GAN800 | The Diablo topic | 03:05 |
| GAN800 | oom? wtf. | 03:05 |
| GAN800 | HAVA leak. . . . | 03:07 |
| NullM0dem | HAVA? | 03:08 |
| NullM0dem | ah its a player NVM | 03:08 |
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| n800m | ext2 fscks itself? | 03:10 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 03:10 |
| n800m | must've misread | 03:10 |
| KotCzarny | startup script need to do it | 03:10 |
| KotCzarny | ext3 doesn't fsck itself too | 03:10 |
| KotCzarny | only replays journal | 03:10 |
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| n800m | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/xkcd_goes_to_the_airport.png | 03:11 |
| n800m | 3rd one's funny | 03:12 |
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| NullM0dem | lol | 03:13 |
| NullM0dem | been there sort of | 03:13 |
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| fysa | youtube plugin for canola broken? | 03:33 |
| rm_you | WFM, YMMV | 03:35 |
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| fysa | wait. i forgot to install mplayer. | 03:37 |
| rm_you | lol | 03:37 |
| fysa | mplayer_1.0rc1-maemo.26? | 03:37 |
| fysa | from garage? | 03:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's in Extras. | 03:38 |
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| fysa | OK. nm then, I got it. will forget about canola youtube for now then. | 03:39 |
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| rm_you | ? | 03:41 |
| maketo | hello, I am trying to pair my n800 (os2008) with a Lego mindstorms nxt | 03:41 |
| rm_you | heh | 03:41 |
| rm_you | sounds neat | 03:41 |
| maketo | is there sdptool or hcitool for n800? | 03:41 |
| fysa | mmmv ;) | 03:41 |
| rm_you | yeah, hcitool exists | 03:41 |
| maketo | the funny thing is that the n800 pairs with the nxt but the nxt keeps whining with a "line is busy" message | 03:42 |
| fysa | seems like vids download (prog bar grows) but only darkness. | 03:42 |
| maketo | rm_you: where would I find hcitool? | 03:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | fysa, #canola | 03:42 |
| fysa | nice. | 03:43 |
| rm_you | bluez-utils-test | 03:43 |
| maketo | rm_you: which repo? | 03:43 |
| rm_you | http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free | 03:44 |
| maketo | rm_you: duh, I guess an apt-cache search was in order before asking :) | 03:45 |
| rm_you | heh np | 03:45 |
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| maketo | interesting... "sdptool add 3" on the n800 allowed the nxt to pair with it | 03:53 |
| * maketo confused | 03:53 | |
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| t_s_o | hmm, is it just perception or does the usb speed drop when the screen goes black? | 04:03 |
| KotCzarny | may be | 04:04 |
| KotCzarny | some power saving? | 04:04 |
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| t_s_o | could be it... | 04:08 |
| t_s_o | it seems to drop to 1/10 of what i see when i poke the screen to wake it back up | 04:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | dmesg? | 04:09 |
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| t_s_o | i see a lot of voltage messages... | 04:13 |
| t_s_o | hrmf, i guess i should have flashed it up to the latest now that i have some sdhc cards in there, just in case... | 04:14 |
| t_s_o | but then, how long until diablo? | 04:14 |
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| KotCzarny | diablo will be installed over your existing os | 04:15 |
| KotCzarny | ie. no image flashing | 04:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, a month give or take. | 04:15 |
| t_s_o | ok? i have seen some people do it on the forum, but i tought that was a ugly hack... | 04:15 |
| KotCzarny | you will just select proper package and it will upgrade everything to diablo | 04:15 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 04:15 |
| KotCzarny | it's just a work in progress | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, it's an ugly hack. | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Diablo will almost certainly be released as a FIASCO image. | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | FUTURE updates will be through SSU. | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | But not this one. | 04:16 |
| KotCzarny | we will see | 04:16 |
| t_s_o | heh, i was starting to wonder if i had missed something :P | 04:16 |
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| t_s_o | meh, heading back to bed to salvage some level of decent sleep pattern... | 04:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Considering that an upgrade to Diablo from Chinook kicks in the lifeguard reset, there isn't a chance in hell it'll be released as anything but a new image. | 04:19 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 04:19 |
| KotCzarny | quite a thunderstorm coming to nyc | 04:19 |
| ds3 | sigh | 04:19 |
| ds3 | that sucks | 04:20 |
| KotCzarny | people screaming | 04:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ds3, that's not to say that you wont be able to turn off the lifeguard and try updating from the repo. | 04:20 |
| Anunakin | Hi All! | 04:20 |
| ds3 | Being able to not wipe out third party apps is a very very nice thing | 04:21 |
| KotCzarny | well, that depends on the method of upgrade they will choose | 04:21 |
| maketo | Nokia-N800-51-3:~/nxt_python-0.7/scripts# hcitool con | 04:22 |
| maketo | Connections: | 04:22 |
| maketo | > ACL 00:16:53:02:0B:15 handle 44 state 1 lm SLAVE | 04:22 |
| maketo | am I reading this right? | 04:22 |
| maketo | does this mean that the n800 is a master in this bluetooth connection? | 04:22 |
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| rm_you | i believe the n800 would be | 04:24 |
| rm_you | CAN it be a slave? | 04:24 |
| rm_you | not sure how bluetooth works | 04:24 |
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| maketo | rm_you: I am not sure either, I would think that the SLAVE line (which is the NXT) is the slave | 04:25 |
| ds3 | depends on your config files | 04:25 |
| ds3 | one implication of slave is it take clocking from the remote side | 04:26 |
| maketo | ds3: interesting, see I crosed the hurdle of making the connection but now I cannot detect the nxt brick | 04:26 |
| maketo | I can see the connection using the hcitool | 04:26 |
| maketo | but I cannot query the brick for any information via bluetooth | 04:26 |
| ds3 | maketo: what profile does the mindstorms use? | 04:27 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 04:27 |
| KotCzarny | sirens | 04:27 |
| maketo | ds3: meaning? :) I am pretty poor with bluetooth terminology | 04:28 |
| KotCzarny | yeah. quite. the. thunderstorm | 04:28 |
| ds3 | maketo: meaning, does it emulate a serial port, a keyboard, or something entirely proprietary? | 04:28 |
| maketo | ds3: I have no idea, that's a good question | 04:28 |
| ds3 | it could be it is expecting something to happen | 04:29 |
| maketo | ds3: I think it is a serial port | 04:29 |
| ds3 | maketo: how did you get it to this point? | 04:29 |
| maketo | ds3: I ran into a page talking about using rfcomm and sdptool to set up the communication to nxt on linux | 04:29 |
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| KotCzarny | whoops | 04:30 |
| KotCzarny | closie | 04:30 |
| ds3 | so you used sdptool to find out the key numbers and then rfcomm tomake the serial connection? | 04:30 |
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| maketo | ds3: well, hmmm, I am not really sure. The nxt refused to pair with the n800 just by plain bluetooth discovery | 04:31 |
| KotCzarny | closie (2) | 04:31 |
| maketo | ds3: so I used sdptool to do sdptool add 3 | 04:31 |
| ds3 | hmmm | 04:31 |
| ds3 | maybe the nxt side needs to be in pairing mode? | 04:31 |
| maketo | well, it prompts for a pin, it is in "searching" mode | 04:32 |
| maketo | so it discovers the n800 | 04:32 |
| maketo | asks for a pin (which is pre-input for you: 1234) | 04:32 |
| maketo | I type the 1234 on the n800 and the nxt complains with "line is busy" but n800 goes on happily to say it is paired | 04:33 |
| maketo | now with the addition of the sdptool add 3 command the nxt actually says it is connected | 04:33 |
| maketo | (or there is an absence of "line is busy"message and it shows an active connection) | 04:33 |
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| ds3 | hmmm | 04:47 |
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| NodeRazor | Hello | 04:48 |
| NodeRazor | I've setup Tablet OS 2008 Hacker Edition. What's the default root password for it? | 04:48 |
| KotCzarny | none | 04:49 |
| NodeRazor | It won't let me access sudo without password =( | 04:49 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 04:49 |
| KotCzarny | install ssh server | 04:49 |
| NodeRazor | when I run > sudo -i | 04:49 |
| NodeRazor | it prompts password. | 04:49 |
| KotCzarny | that will ask for root password to set | 04:49 |
| NodeRazor | install it like in debian? | 04:50 |
| KotCzarny | in app man | 04:50 |
| skibur | http://rafb.net/p/l1c2Aw12.html I did a google search and I found this. Enjoy | 04:50 |
| NodeRazor | oh, you mean ssh server so I can connect to nokia 770 from my pc.... | 04:50 |
| NodeRazor | I get it | 04:51 |
| KotCzarny | you can use ssh locally too | 04:51 |
| KotCzarny | ssh root@localhost | 04:51 |
| NodeRazor | can I run this on the Nokia 770 ? apt-get install ssh server ? | 04:52 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 04:52 |
| KotCzarny | try ssh first | 04:52 |
| KotCzarny | then ssh-server | 04:52 |
| KotCzarny | you may need to enable extras first though | 04:52 |
| NodeRazor | how? | 04:52 |
| KotCzarny | go to app man | 04:52 |
| KotCzarny | and in repositories select extras | 04:52 |
| KotCzarny | then properties, then uncheck the 'disabled' box | 04:53 |
| NodeRazor | ok I've opened app man, dont see repositories there | 04:53 |
| KotCzarny | it's in menu | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Another request for any interested parties to go through the articles here and bring things up to speed: http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Midgard_wiki | 04:54 |
| NodeRazor | ok, I think I got it | 04:55 |
| NodeRazor | now where I find ss server ? | 04:55 |
| NodeRazor | in commandline categorie? | 04:55 |
| KotCzarny | in app-man | 04:55 |
| NodeRazor | ok I found three, openssh, openssh-client and openssh-server. | 04:56 |
| NodeRazor | which one openssh or openssh-server ? | 04:56 |
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| KotCzarny | install openssh | 04:56 |
| KotCzarny | it will install server and client | 04:56 |
| NodeRazor | ok | 04:56 |
| NodeRazor | thanks for this. | 04:57 |
| NodeRazor | How about the default password for root. | 04:57 |
| KotCzarny | none | 04:57 |
| KotCzarny | it's locked by default | 04:57 |
| NodeRazor | it asks me always when I try to run sudo | 04:57 |
| NodeRazor | do you mean "none" | 04:57 |
| KotCzarny | user have some sudo commands enabled | 04:57 |
| KotCzarny | but that's it | 04:57 |
| NodeRazor | as an password or just none, as no password | 04:57 |
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| NodeRazor | how does one enable sudo root access in Nokia 770 ? | 04:58 |
| KotCzarny | nitapps.org | 04:58 |
| NodeRazor | I've tried passwd root, nothing. | 04:58 |
| KotCzarny | gainroot package probably | 04:58 |
| NodeRazor | will look in to it, thanks KotCzarny | 04:59 |
| NodeRazor | KotCzarny, do you have Nokia 770 or newer ? | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, it's nitapps.com | 05:00 |
| summatusmentis | easyroot > gainroot | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | n800 | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | well | 05:00 |
| NodeRazor | nice | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | it's easyroot on nitapps | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | i don't use neither | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | if i need root i just ssh | 05:00 |
| NodeRazor | how much ram/space does it have? | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | 128 of ram | 05:00 |
| NodeRazor | yeah will try that. | 05:01 |
| NodeRazor | I'm installing openssh, it asked me for password which I've typed. | 05:01 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 05:01 |
| NodeRazor | now it looks like its stuck at the end. | 05:01 |
| KotCzarny | don't forget that pass | 05:01 |
| KotCzarny | wait | 05:01 |
| KotCzarny | it's generating keys | 05:01 |
| NodeRazor | i see, and how long does it take useally ? | 05:02 |
| KotCzarny | just wait | 05:02 |
| NodeRazor | lol ok | 05:02 |
| KotCzarny | i was installing ssh only once | 05:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:02 |
| NodeRazor | done ;-) | 05:02 |
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| NodeRazor | is it possible to stream video or audio from computer to nokia? | 05:04 |
| NodeRazor | did any one tried it? | 05:04 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 05:05 |
| NodeRazor | whats your experience in this area? | 05:06 |
| KotCzarny | none | 05:06 |
| KotCzarny | but other people were doing it successfully | 05:06 |
| NodeRazor | does it due buffering always, and stops the video? | 05:06 |
| NodeRazor | what player does they use ? | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | It works fine. | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | 770 will need a lower bitrate, but it'll work | 05:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org | 05:07 |
| NodeRazor | thank you, will look at it ;-) | 05:07 |
| NodeRazor | ? whats this > http://rafb.net/p/l1c2Aw12.html | 05:08 |
| NodeRazor | never mind lol | 05:08 |
| * GeneralAntilles haxes NodeRazor. | 05:08 | |
| NodeRazor | GeneralAntilles, good luck ;-) | 05:09 |
| NodeRazor | GeneralAntilles, if you can hack me, I will say thank you =D | 05:09 |
| NodeRazor | 11yr. security experience. hehe | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | and you're sticking your ssh keys in pastebin? <_< | 05:10 |
| KotCzarny | 11yr. old security expert? | 05:10 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 05:10 |
| NodeRazor | nope | 05:10 |
| NodeRazor | that is not mine | 05:10 |
| NodeRazor | I've just pasted wrong url from the channel =D | 05:11 |
| summatusmentis | 11 yr. old security expert? You should meet qwerty12 :-D | 05:11 |
| NodeRazor | thanks everyone | 05:11 |
| NodeRazor | ;-) | 05:11 |
| NodeRazor | it saved me some time ;-) thanks. | 05:12 |
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| KotCzarny | another happy user.. | 05:13 |
| gentooer | i see that /etc/fstab only lists / and /media/mmc2, where are all the other mounts defined? | 05:14 |
| gentooer | like proc, sys, tmp.. | 05:14 |
| summatusmentis | he has security experience but knows nothing about ssh? | 05:15 |
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| |penguinbait| | shutdown -h now | 05:18 |
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| gentooer | using cal-tool i can select whether to boot from mmc1 or mmc2, but it always wants to boot from the second partition.. how can i force it to boot from the 1st? | 05:53 |
| KotCzarny | install fanoush initfs | 05:56 |
| KotCzarny | or hack your own | 05:56 |
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| gentooer | i have fanoush installed but in the boot menu i can only boot into flash, mmc1 partition 2, or mmc2 partition 2 | 05:58 |
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| gentooer | and it also lists the filesystem as ext2 when it's actually ext3 | 05:59 |
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| gentooer | guess i'll just try editing bootmenu.sh | 06:03 |
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| KotCzarny | ever read readme? | 06:06 |
| gentooer | yes, they give options to pass internal, mmc1, or mmc2 but nothing about partitions | 06:07 |
| KotCzarny | if you want ext3 don't forget to alter modules line too | 06:10 |
| gentooer | yeah i did that, but it seems the file is read-only | 06:10 |
| KotCzarny | bah. | 06:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | gentooer, read the README | 06:11 |
| gentooer | GeneralAntilles, i have ready it several times. it claims mmc refers to the first partition and mmc2 refers to the second partition but it seems to me like mmc is my internal card and mmc2 is my external card | 06:13 |
| gentooer | at least that's what happens when i try to change it with cal-tool | 06:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, you've got it backwards. | 06:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | mmcblk0 is internal card | 06:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | mmc2 is internal card | 06:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | mmcblk1 is external card | 06:13 |
| summatusmentis | so... I decided in order for the n810 to be truly mobile, it needs ot be able to deliver itself | 06:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | mmc1 is external card | 06:14 |
| KotCzarny | you don't use cal tool with fanoush initfs | 06:14 |
| gentooer | ok well can i reinstall fanoush over itself? | 06:14 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 06:14 |
| gentooer | ok i'll try it again, but the README made it sound like it defaulted to /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 06:15 |
| KotCzarny | edit bootmenu.conf in initfs-flasher dir, then flash it | 06:16 |
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| gentooer | yay it worked :) | 06:25 |
| gentooer | thanks guys | 06:25 |
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| summatusmentis | what do I set the gps to in maemo mapper on an n810? | 06:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | BT | 06:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | No MAC | 06:57 |
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| summatusmentis | no Mac, MAC, ok | 07:00 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:00 |
| KotCzarny | no macs allowed? | 07:00 |
| freelikegnu | what about Mac emus? | 07:01 |
| summatusmentis | and it's A-GPS right? so it should work well enough? | 07:01 |
| summatusmentis | (diablo) | 07:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Install a-gps-ui | 07:01 |
| summatusmentis | I need to enable RD mode to get root in diablo? | 07:03 |
| GAN800 | no | 07:04 |
| GAN800 | Just install easyroot | 07:05 |
| summatusmentis | I have easyroot installed | 07:05 |
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| summatusmentis | when I type root, it says | 07:05 |
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| summatusmentis | "Enable RD mode to gain root privileges" | 07:05 |
| KotCzarny | then use ssh method | 07:06 |
| KotCzarny | or enable rd mode | 07:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Did you install easyroot before you upgraded to Diablo? | 07:06 |
| summatusmentis | yes | 07:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Remove it and reinstall | 07:07 |
| summatusmentis | ok | 07:07 |
| summatusmentis | how does agps-ui work? | 07:09 |
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| zpol | night | 07:14 |
| summatusmentis | 'night zop | 07:14 |
| summatusmentis | oh ffs, I can't type | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | IP-based if you're connected | 07:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | tap-your-location-on-the-big-map if you're not. | 07:16 |
| summatusmentis | does it need to be oopen for maemo mapper? | 07:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Probably | 07:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Test it and find out for us. ;) | 07:23 |
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| ny7owl | Does anyone have experience setting up a python install package ? | 07:36 |
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| ny7owl | I've setup a repository and the packages install fine and run from the command line. | 07:38 |
| ny7owl | They won't run from the app launcher | 07:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Python should be installed as a dependency. | 07:41 |
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| ny7owl | python2.5 is set as a dependency | 07:42 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: it doesn't seem to be recognizing my net connection | 07:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Does it recognize any others? | 07:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or did the icd install get flubbed. | 07:42 |
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| summatusmentis | no, like I can connect, and my net connection works fine | 07:44 |
| summatusmentis | just agps doesn't know it's there | 07:44 |
| summatusmentis | seemingly | 07:44 |
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| summatusmentis | or... something's not right w/ it, neither maemo-mapper or "map" are connecting | 07:49 |
| summatusmentis | I'll keep playing in the morning, bed now | 07:49 |
| GAN800 | Dunno, don't have an N810 to test with. | 07:50 |
| GAN800 | later | 07:50 |
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| gentooer | i can't get /dev/mmcblk0p2 to mount on startup, i added a line in fstab for it but apparently the N800 doesn't listen to fstab.. how should i mount it on startup? | 07:56 |
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| KotCzarny | fstab isn't used by startup scripts | 07:57 |
| KotCzarny | add your S99-local script | 07:57 |
| gentooer | KotCzarny, where to i put the script? | 07:58 |
| KotCzarny | /etc/init.d/ | 07:58 |
| KotCzarny | then symlink it to /etc/rc2.d/ | 07:59 |
| gentooer | ah right | 07:59 |
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| gentooer | damn now my SD cards are smoking fast 14MB/s :D | 08:25 |
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| Xxaxx | hey lcuk , are you here? :) | 08:58 |
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| iDS | . | 09:11 |
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| skibur | working on http://skibur.com | 09:14 |
| qwerty12 | I have no idea what that is but it looks good | 09:14 |
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| skibur | working on adding my hacks on stuff that I like such as the N800 | 09:17 |
| skibur | :P | 09:17 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, cool :) | 09:17 |
| skibur | I remembered when people would ask me if I was a Halo gamer I was like, "Where did you hear that because I'm not?" | 09:19 |
| KotCzarny | ? | 09:19 |
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| KotCzarny | [grammar parser failed] | 09:20 |
| qwerty12 | QUICK, someone save KotCzarny! | 09:20 |
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| skibur | it was this site ---> www.freewebs.com/skibur/halo2.htm I'm a Computer Scientist | 09:20 |
| skibur | sorry | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | still that doesn't fix above sentence | 09:21 |
| skibur | :) | 09:21 |
| skibur | I'm like dead asleep right now | 09:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:22 |
| skibur | code is like keeping me awake | 09:22 |
| skibur | :) | 09:22 |
| * KotCzarny is having breakfast | 09:22 | |
| * qwerty12 plans on getting mine in 5 mins :/ | 09:22 | |
| qwerty12 | and then looking for my lost usb stick >.< | 09:23 |
| * skibur needs coffee | 09:23 | |
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| KotCzarny | bp0.blogger.com/_QYXfFH-IKaI/R_I_6SrbufI/AAAAAAAAAu4/7G_AokHPeNg/s1600-h/Nalesniki+z+serem1-1.jpg | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | pancakes .. mmmm | 09:25 |
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| qwerty12 | Hmm this "-mtune=arm1136jf-s" would give me better results than this: "-mtune=arm926ej-s" ? | 09:27 |
| qwerty12 | s/better results/better optimisation | 09:27 |
| KotCzarny | latter is for 770 | 09:27 |
| KotCzarny | ie. binary would run on 770 too | 09:27 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, I see thanks | 09:27 |
| qwerty12 | Meh, me don't need no 770 compat. | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | well | 09:28 |
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| KotCzarny | mtune means tune only though | 09:28 |
| qwerty12 | I know about the march :) | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | k k | 09:28 |
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| beford | hey. I am trying to use tablet-encode but I get this error when converting any of my videos | 09:33 |
| beford | tablet-encode: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0. | 09:33 |
| beford | tablet-encode: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0. | 09:33 |
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| qwerty12 | Hmm, the -s option in gcc isn't the same as -static right? | 09:41 |
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| KotCzarny | no | 09:45 |
| KotCzarny | more or less think of it as 'strip' | 09:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:46 |
| hrw | morning | 09:46 |
| KotCzarny | mourning | 09:46 |
| qwerty12 | morning | 09:46 |
| qwerty12 | KotCzarny, Thanks :) | 09:46 |
| * qwerty12 is uber n00b, it's first time I'm bothering with CFLAGS etc :) | 09:47 | |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: man gcc | 09:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:47 |
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| qwerty12 | DId do but the length put me off :P. But I should read it and I will :) | 09:47 |
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| KotCzarny | ever heard of search? | 09:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:49 |
| KotCzarny | anyway: -s Remove all symbol table and relocation information from the executable. | 09:49 |
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| qwerty12 | Ah, ok, I used the web and I kept getting ---fpascal"-s" etc | 09:50 |
| Xxaxx | .ÅÝÚÛÓ | 09:50 |
| Xxaxx | ups, sorry :) | 09:51 |
| qwerty12 | Cyrillic letters or something? | 09:51 |
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| Xxaxx | yeah, just tried type "/topic" in wrong encoding :) | 09:51 |
| qwerty12 | heh :) | 09:51 |
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| Xxaxx | chinook -> diablo -> freemondel(?) -> hardamel(??) ? | 09:59 |
| KotCzarny | ? | 09:59 |
| rm_you | fremantle | 09:59 |
| qwerty12 | chinook -> diablo -> fremantle -> harmattan | 09:59 |
| Xxaxx | qwerty12: thanks :) | 09:59 |
| Xxaxx | rm_you: thanks :) | 09:59 |
| Xxaxx | 6-9 month between them? | 10:00 |
| Italodance | who has os2007 here? | 10:00 |
| KotCzarny | Xxaxx: only time can tell | 10:00 |
| rm_you | Italodance: hopefully no-one | 10:00 |
| Italodance | i want my old n800 demo video | 10:00 |
| rm_you | lol | 10:00 |
| Italodance | rm_you do u remember that? | 10:00 |
| rm_you | yes | 10:00 |
| Xxaxx | Italodance: what about youtube? :P | 10:00 |
| rm_you | i may have it | 10:00 |
| * qwerty12 has never watched it and has never been bothered to mount up a n800 os2007 rootfs.jffs2 to get it | 10:01 | |
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| Italodance | rm_you please send it to me if u have it | 10:01 |
| rm_you | looking | 10:01 |
| Italodance | Xxaxx youtube is really a bad quality agree? | 10:01 |
| Xxaxx | bad for what? :) | 10:01 |
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| Xxaxx | if you need it for one view ... | 10:02 |
| Italodance | Xxaxx i want to have it again in my n800....i missed it after flash to os2008 | 10:03 |
| rm_you | Italodance: encode some real videos :P | 10:03 |
| Italodance | rm_you y | 10:04 |
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| Italodance | but how? | 10:04 |
| rm_you | tablet-encode | 10:04 |
| rm_you | mediautils.garage.maemo.org | 10:05 |
| rm_you | i think | 10:05 |
| Italodance | rm_you ok but did u found it\\? | 10:05 |
| rm_you | no | 10:05 |
| rm_you | :( | 10:05 |
| Italodance | how can i find it? | 10:06 |
| Italodance | someone please upload it for me | 10:06 |
| johnx | I don't think anyone is still running OS2007 | 10:07 |
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| Xxaxx | somebody on 770 maybe... ,) | 10:07 |
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| johnx | Italodance, you could flash to OS2007 and copy it yourself | 10:07 |
| Italodance | oh yes pupnik............ | 10:07 |
| Italodance | johnx hard way | 10:08 |
| johnx | yeah, maybe the only way | 10:08 |
| Italodance | but in my opinion the os2007 video was better than 2008 | 10:09 |
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| johnx | ok | 10:11 |
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| Xxaxx | strange why nokia don't use "4G" name in ads ,) | 10:17 |
| KotCzarny | because it's not a cellphone | 10:17 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 10:17 |
| Xxaxx | 4G = Wimax or Wifi :) | 10:18 |
| KotCzarny | wifi definitely not | 10:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:18 |
| rm_you | it would probably confuse and anger people who didnt understand it wasnt a phone | 10:18 |
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| rm_you | is there anywhere you can go to check if wimax is supported in your area? ( a web site, i mean) | 10:19 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 10:19 |
| KotCzarny | try entering: wimax your_area_name | 10:19 |
| johnx | rm_you, check clearwire's site | 10:20 |
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| Xxaxx | what difference between phone and N8x0 with skype/gizmo/sip ? :P | 10:20 |
| rm_you | CLEARWIRE!? | 10:20 |
| rm_you | OH DEAR GOD NO, WIMAX IS CLEARWIRE!? | 10:20 |
| johnx | ahaha | 10:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:21 |
| * rm_you sold clearwire for a while <_< | 10:21 | |
| johnx | rm_you, really? | 10:21 |
| johnx | I didn't know that :D | 10:21 |
| rm_you | yeah, down at Pioneer <_< since like every computer shop in the state is a dealer | 10:22 |
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| johnx | 'cept for compusave which I think deals something else | 10:22 |
| rm_you | cocainewire? | 10:22 |
| KotCzarny | compusave? | 10:22 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 10:23 |
| KotCzarny | it's still alive? | 10:23 |
| johnx | oh yeah | 10:23 |
| johnx | they killed off pcclub | 10:23 |
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| johnx | heh, well they were there last time I checked, but their site is down now :/ | 10:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:26 |
| johnx | not that their site and the physical store really had much of a connection besides coincidence | 10:26 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 10:26 |
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| johnx | though, given the number of results on google, I realize we might be talking about entirely different stores named compusave :D | 10:28 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 10:28 |
| KotCzarny | bizness without online presence? | 10:28 |
| johnx | was your compusave in WA, north of seattle? | 10:28 |
| KotCzarny | smells oldish | 10:29 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 10:29 |
| KotCzarny | i was just reading about it on the net | 10:29 |
| johnx | aah | 10:29 |
| KotCzarny | mythological beast | 10:29 |
| johnx | it was a pretty random place | 10:30 |
| johnx | I worked there for a couple weeks once, filling in for another tech | 10:30 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 10:31 |
| johnx | another footnote on my list of random jobs :D | 10:32 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 10:33 |
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| EruditeHermit | hey guys, my alarmd takes 100%cpu, and when I kill it, it respawns | 11:34 |
| EruditeHermit | I don't even have any alarms set | 11:34 |
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| EruditeHermit | GeneralAntilles: hey | 11:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha, #303 is Fremantle | 11:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Took them goddamn long enough. | 11:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, EruditeHermit. | 11:42 |
| EruditeHermit | is your diablo install working fine? | 11:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 11:44 |
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| EruditeHermit | my alarmd takes 100% cpu and keeps respawning when killed | 11:44 |
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| EruditeHermit | /etc/init.d/alarmd stop kills it though | 11:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | You do something to it? | 11:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or install something? | 11:45 |
| EruditeHermit | hmm | 11:45 |
| EruditeHermit | no | 11:45 |
| EruditeHermit | last thing I installed was the last update | 11:45 |
| EruditeHermit | only thing that I can think of is that the battery died without it being turned off normally | 11:46 |
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| EruditeHermit | oh wait | 11:46 |
| EruditeHermit | it reset itself | 11:46 |
| EruditeHermit | after I did the /etc/init.d/alarmd stop and THEN restarted I am not getting the problem | 11:47 |
| EruditeHermit | killing it and restarting didn't help | 11:47 |
| EruditeHermit | don't know how or why it is working now | 11:47 |
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| EruditeHermit | bizarre | 11:49 |
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| EruditeHermit | GeneralAntilles: what do you think of the iphone pricepoint? | 11:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, Apple's mobile products don't do anything for me but piss me off. | 11:52 |
| EruditeHermit | I know | 11:52 |
| EruditeHermit | but I figure everyone will buy it | 11:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | The stupid lock-in bullshit is ridiculous. | 11:52 |
| EruditeHermit | which means nokia will have to reduce their prices to compete | 11:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Which is only good for the consumer. ;) | 11:53 |
| EruditeHermit | I know it is subsidized by the contract | 11:53 |
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| EruditeHermit | but people aren't going to think about that when they buy it | 11:53 |
| EruditeHermit | they'll think 199 | 11:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | A little competition to light a fire under everyone's asses in the cellphone industry is exactly what's needed. | 11:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I have no love of the current status quo, and if Apple can do something to mix that up, then more power to them. | 11:54 |
| EruditeHermit | nokia might even get the powervr to work because they lack 3D effects | 11:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | As long as I don't have to read about "hoa grate teh I-phone iz" more than once a week. ;) | 11:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | EruditeHermit, not a lot of hope for PowerVR on OMAP2420 | 11:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Drivers, apparently, suck complete ass. | 11:55 |
| glass | EruditeHermit: the half the price advertising is ridiculous.. especially when at&t upped their plans at the same time | 11:56 |
| EruditeHermit | well perhaps they will think about using a 3D chip that works for any new tablet | 11:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | That'd be the OMAP3430 | 11:56 |
| EruditeHermit | glass: but people aren't going to see that. Advertising works | 11:56 |
| glass | EruditeHermit: which is why some consumer groups should bitch at apple about it. a lot | 11:57 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Does the wiki plugin work for you? | 11:57 |
| EruditeHermit | GeneralAntilles: btw which kernel are you using for your diablo install? | 11:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's perfect, X-Fade, thanks. See the {{More topics}} template here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Template:Users | 11:58 |
| RST38h | moo. | 11:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | EruditeHermit, I think it's the 22-8 kernel. | 11:58 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Great :) | 11:59 |
| EruditeHermit | GeneralAntilles: does popout camera trigger internet call and invert when rotated? | 11:59 |
| christefano | X-Fade, do you have a minute to talk about the maemo.org website? I have a security concern | 11:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 11:59 |
| * GeneralAntilles gets the N800 off the nightstand | 11:59 | |
| RST38h | AFAIK iPhone+contract cost a little bit more than before now | 11:59 |
| RST38h | Even considering $199 price point for the device | 11:59 |
| glass | rst 10$ more per month | 12:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | EruditeHermit, yes. | 12:00 |
| glass | if the finnish newspaper was accurate | 12:00 |
| RST38h | wonderful marketing | 12:00 |
| glass | so it's more than what it used to be | 12:00 |
| glass | actually | 12:00 |
| glass | instead of half the price | 12:00 |
| RST38h | glass: Well, this will be 24*$10=$240 | 12:00 |
| glass | yep | 12:01 |
| RST38h | So it comes to $440 for the 8GB iPhone now | 12:01 |
| glass | plus the contracts werent cheap to begin with | 12:01 |
| glass | since you'd get something like n95 for free on similar contract | 12:01 |
| glass | so it's 440+something like n95 | 12:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | The original iPhone contract was $20/mo. | 12:01 |
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| * RST38h wonders what will all the "want iPhone without contract" people do | 12:01 | |
| glass | RST38h: wait for a sim unlock.. maybe forever | 12:01 |
| glass | they gotta have increased the security | 12:02 |
| RST38h | glass: but they will no longer sell you iPhone if you do not sign up with ATT | 12:02 |
| glass | on the new gen | 12:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can't even swap sim cards into an iPhone. <_< | 12:02 |
| glass | RST38h: ah.. i wondered when they begin doing that | 12:02 |
| glass | GeneralAntilles: the old iphone you could swap sim easily | 12:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not on a stock iPhone. | 12:02 |
| jaska | dont think you can refuse to sell unlocked phones around here | 12:02 |
| glass | GeneralAntilles: and even get simlock cracked | 12:02 |
| glass | GeneralAntilles: on a stock iphone. | 12:02 |
| glass | jaska: 3g.. | 12:03 |
| glass | jaska: they can refuse | 12:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not on the iPhone _I_ tried with. | 12:03 |
| glass | jaska: the edge iphone couldn't be subsidized in finland, but the 3g one can be | 12:03 |
| RST38h | GA: Wasn't a problem for the guy I bought iPhone for | 12:03 |
| EruditeHermit | GeneralAntilles: it only works with the chinook kernel for me | 12:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | EruditeHermit, dunno | 12:03 |
| EruditeHermit | weird | 12:03 |
| glass | GeneralAntilles: huh? failed to find the slot then? or did you try an ipod touch | 12:03 |
| RST38h | GA: So I guess that at least the original model had swappable SIMs | 12:03 |
| jaska | glass: yes but i dont think they can _force_ contracts on you here... bundling phone + contract was illegal up until a couple years ago in general | 12:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | glass, I swapped my sim card into my mother's iPhone, it told me to put the old sim card back or it wouldn't work. | 12:04 |
| jaska | as you probably recall | 12:04 |
| glass | jaska: they can force simlock on phones they bundle | 12:04 |
| glass | jaska: and refuse to sell them without it | 12:04 |
| RST38h | GA: Oh, you mean the software lockout | 12:04 |
| glass | GeneralAntilles: thats simlock | 12:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | You have to activate your sim card for an iPhone. | 12:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | What the fuck else would I mean? | 12:04 |
| RST38h | GA: Not the physical one | 12:04 |
| glass | GeneralAntilles: that ties it to a network | 12:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | _STOCK_ | 12:04 |
| wiza | jaska: in finland only 3g phone + contract bundling is legal | 12:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not hacked | 12:04 |
| RST38h | GA: THAT ONE can eb worked around. | 12:04 |
| glass | GeneralAntilles: you could have swapped another at&t sim.. | 12:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Working around that is hacking it. | 12:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | glass, I _DID_ | 12:05 |
| jaska | was under the impression that they _have_ to also offer to sell the phone separately | 12:05 |
| wiza | jaska: it was an exception to get people to get newer phones | 12:05 |
| RST38h | GA: I personally don't give a damn how it is called as long as it is reasonably easy to do | 12:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, that's fine | 12:05 |
| RST38h | GA: If Apple wants to define this activity as murder, let them | 12:05 |
| wiza | jaska: umm, never heard that one before | 12:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | but is outside the scope of my point. | 12:05 |
| RST38h | GA: And let them argue that definition in front of a judge. | 12:05 |
| * GeneralAntilles gives up. | 12:06 | |
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| * GeneralAntilles does actually give a fuck about anything iPhone related. | 12:06 | |
| GeneralAntilles | s/does/doesn't/ | 12:06 |
| RST38h | Why? | 12:06 |
| RST38h | Oh | 12:06 |
| wiza | :) | 12:06 |
| RST38h | kinda different meaning =) | 12:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just woke up, deal. | 12:06 |
| RST38h | ah | 12:06 |
| glass | wiza: they extended the 3g bundling to be forever.. | 12:07 |
| glass | jaska: they don't have to offer unlocked, afaik you can pay the whole contract at once though | 12:08 |
| glass | if you want off it | 12:08 |
| RST38h | I guess the real question is whether you can terminate your contract and what the penalties are | 12:10 |
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| jaska | thats fairly ridiculous | 12:10 |
| RST38h | it is. but this is the new economy. | 12:10 |
| RST38h | "service based" | 12:11 |
| glass | old shit way of doing mobile economy way actually | 12:11 |
| RST38h | Remember Nokia's own Jaaksi talk about "services"? This is what he means. | 12:11 |
| glass | of operator total lock in walled garden shitness, which was crap earlier and would continue to be crap later | 12:11 |
| RST38h | glass: They don't care. They don't have to. They are the Phone Company. | 12:12 |
| glass | hmmh? i was talking of apple | 12:12 |
| RST38h | First of all, it is revenue, not cool features. Cool features don't make you money. | 12:12 |
| glass | nokia is fairly open and not operator-lock-in compared to apple | 12:12 |
| RST38h | How is Apple different? | 12:12 |
| glass | that you'll have to sell your stuff through apple | 12:12 |
| RST38h | Apple or AT&T or Verizon - they all live by the same rules | 12:13 |
| glass | nokia doesnt force your apps to nokia downloads | 12:13 |
| RST38h | Nokia too, BTW, as soon as it figures out a way to make you pay over and over again | 12:13 |
| glass | or nokia doesnt force you to pay to use mp3 as a ringtone | 12:13 |
| glass | nokia makes money with just hw sales too | 12:13 |
| RST38h | Just wait and see | 12:13 |
| glass | without subsidisation bullshit to fool the consumer thinking that the device is 199 | 12:14 |
| RST38h | They wil figure something out | 12:14 |
| hrw | with my last nokia phone I had to use 3rdparty tools to enable gprs always online functionality... | 12:14 |
| hrw | as it was set to off to be 'operator friendly' instead of 'user friendly' | 12:14 |
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| glass | operator branded fw? | 12:14 |
| RST38h | What Nokia does right now is releasing new and new phones monthly so that fashion conscious geeks always buy a new model | 12:15 |
| RST38h | (notice that this is done at the cost of product quality) | 12:15 |
| hrw | glass: no - clean nokia firmware | 12:15 |
| hrw | glass: it was 6310i | 12:15 |
| RST38h | At some point, this "fashion" trend expires and Nokia will have to figure out a new way to make money continuously. That is when you will see them pushing "services" | 12:16 |
| glass | 6310i is kinda shite.. was first gprs from nokia, no? | 12:16 |
| glass | RST38h: ovi etc are being pushed hard now | 12:16 |
| RST38h | Well, I do not see it here | 12:16 |
| glass | RST38h: but really, it's rather long shot from the apple total lock-in and forcing you to specific operators | 12:16 |
| glass | RST38h: the ovi pushing is done behind the curtains.. | 12:16 |
| glass | RST38h: like nokia downloads pushing | 12:17 |
| RST38h | glass: Well, it is not the same as Apple but not because Nokia does not want it to be the same as Apple ;) | 12:17 |
| glass | RST38h: it would be a bad situation for nokia to serve just one oper | 12:17 |
| glass | rather than all | 12:17 |
| glass | or to sell just one model | 12:18 |
| glass | i like s60 for theres some diversity in the devices at least | 12:18 |
| RST38h | glass: Just means they have to do it a different way | 12:18 |
| RST38h | glass: For example they may only allow installing new apps from Nokia Download store | 12:18 |
| glass | RST38h: also some operators are already bitching at nokia for stepping on their shoes with ovi etc | 12:18 |
| RST38h | glass: This does not require operator lockin | 12:19 |
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| glass | RST38h: that wouldn't happen in a long while, mainly because the different operators wouldn't like it | 12:19 |
| RST38h | Or, they may implement video chat and other cool features but only through their servers | 12:19 |
| glass | RST38h: (limiting to just downloads) | 12:19 |
| RST38h | glass: I do not think operators care | 12:19 |
| RST38h | Not about users installing apps | 12:19 |
| glass | RST38h: ..they care | 12:19 |
| glass | they care about where the users can buy their apps | 12:19 |
| RST38h | Well, when you install a Google Maps app on your S60 phone, where is operator in this process? | 12:20 |
| RST38h | So, when Nokia makes you install all such apps through Nokia Download, what will change for the operator? | 12:20 |
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| glass | that they can't sell apps of their own | 12:20 |
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| glass | and games and whatever | 12:20 |
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| RST38h | Operators? They can | 12:21 |
| glass | if nokia does it and limits to only them | 12:21 |
| RST38h | Just need to do it through Nokia download | 12:21 |
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| RST38h | BTW, operators do not normally sell content | 12:21 |
| glass | that wouldn't be the same | 12:21 |
| RST38h | They just charge content resellers something like 50% | 12:21 |
| glass | i know.. | 12:21 |
| RST38h | In this new case, they will charge YOU for GPRS | 12:21 |
| RST38h | or 3G | 12:21 |
| glass | i work in mobile distribution company(does other things too) | 12:21 |
| glass | they want that 50% | 12:21 |
| RST38h | They will lower your 3G caps | 12:22 |
| RST38h | Move you from a fixed cap to pay-by-MB | 12:22 |
| glass | that would be going backwards | 12:22 |
| RST38h | That would be bringing more revenue | 12:22 |
| glass | i got flatfee 3g now | 12:22 |
| RST38h | Besides, it is NOT backwards | 12:22 |
| glass | theres no revenue if there is no usage | 12:22 |
| RST38h | ATT still caps 3G | 12:22 |
| RST38h | There will be usage | 12:22 |
| glass | pay per mb kills 3g usage | 12:23 |
| RST38h | As long as your monthly 3G bill comes down to some affordable amount, there will be usage | 12:23 |
| glass | people use it a lot more if it's not per mb | 12:23 |
| RST38h | So, MB will cost less over 3G | 12:23 |
| RST38h | It is natural | 12:23 |
| glass | in reality, everywhere where you pay per mb it's ridiculous pricing | 12:23 |
| RST38h | Just because they have not figured it out yet | 12:23 |
| RST38h | Russians did | 12:23 |
| RST38h | They always charged per MB, even for wired internet access | 12:24 |
| glass | and it's crap, and lowers usage | 12:24 |
| RST38h | Not really | 12:24 |
| RST38h | It all depends on the actual price | 12:25 |
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| glass | yes really, if you have to count how much youtube you look | 12:25 |
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| RST38h | I don't | 12:25 |
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| glass | or if you count how much shoutcast you can listen | 12:25 |
| RST38h | I pay $20 for 15GB/month and forget about it | 12:25 |
| glass | 15gb is ridiculously low for wired | 12:25 |
| RST38h | Never comes that high | 12:25 |
| glass | i do sometimes 15g with my 3g.. | 12:26 |
| RST38h | Well, there is a catch | 12:26 |
| RST38h | LOCAL traffic is free | 12:26 |
| glass | yeah if you have a local ftp full of warez it's not that big deal | 12:26 |
| RST38h | And all the heavy content (movies, music, applications) can be found locally | 12:26 |
| glass | been on a capped student network | 12:26 |
| glass | but if you hadnt that then 15gb would limit your internet usage a lot, no torrents whatsoever | 12:27 |
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| RST38h | Not really | 12:27 |
| RST38h | I do not watch that much video | 12:27 |
| RST38h | Not over the network anyway | 12:27 |
| RST38h | YouTube is crap and I would rather download some MP3s than listen to them via "internet radio" | 12:27 |
| glass | 20$ should get you uncapped anyways | 12:27 |
| glass | if it was 2-4$.. a cap would be ok | 12:28 |
| RST38h | I can get uncapped for the same price | 12:28 |
| RST38h | But the speed will go down | 12:28 |
| RST38h | Right now, I have got 100Mbd in local net, 4Mbd outside | 12:28 |
| RST38h | Unlimited plan will lower that to 1.5Mbd | 12:28 |
| RST38h | *and* will require me run a VPN which I do not want to do | 12:29 |
| glass | sucks then | 12:30 |
| glass | around here some buildings have 100/10 for ~20-30e | 12:30 |
| glass | unlimited | 12:30 |
| glass | and my unlimited 3g is about 10e | 12:31 |
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| dneary | Morning | 12:32 |
| dneary | I need volunteers | 12:32 |
| dneary | for boring grunt work :( | 12:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 12:32 |
| glass | hehe | 12:32 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Wow.. you know how to market your stuff ;) | 12:32 |
| dneary | I think I've migrated the most important user & community pages, but the developer section is in need of care & attention | 12:33 |
| dneary | This is murely migrating & fixing wiki formating (and any minor issues in passing, if you spot them) | 12:33 |
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| dneary | An in-depth review of content will come after | 12:33 |
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| dneary | X-Fade: Yeah, I know :) | 12:34 |
| dneary | Well, I prefer to be honest than have people be disappointed afterwardzs | 12:34 |
| * GeneralAntilles shudders at the quality of the midgard articles. | 12:34 | |
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| dneary | Yeah, they're pretty shocking | 12:34 |
| dneary | In a few cases, I've just dumped them | 12:34 |
| * rm_you doesnt even know what midgard is | 12:34 | |
| dneary | And in others, I've deleted 2/3rds | 12:34 |
| rm_you | other than the mythical home of the norse gods | 12:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | By and large, they're full of out-of-date technical methods that have been supplanted by newer, easier methods. | 12:34 |
| dneary | rm_you: Let me guide you :) | 12:34 |
| rm_you | lol | 12:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I can't bring myself to just deleting the technical stuff and providing a link and a short paragraph for the GUI method. :\ | 12:35 |
| dneary | rm_you: There are two useful pages you'll need: | 12:35 |
| dneary | 1. The list of pages in the old wiki worth moving: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/wikireorg/ | 12:35 |
| dneary | 2. The proposed organisation of those pages in the new wiki: https://wiki.maemo.org/MAG:Categorization#Proposed_categories | 12:36 |
| dneary | Every page in the "Development" column which isn't in italics has yet to be migrated | 12:36 |
| dneary | You find that page in Midgard, get the wiki text for it by using the "view" action which X-Fade kindly added, and copy that text over to a new page in the MediaWiki | 12:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is this really a Delevopment article? http://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS | 12:37 |
| dneary | (I've found that the easiest way to create those new pages is to create a link from the Categorization page) | 12:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Flashing is a pretty integral part of most user's tablet usage. | 12:37 |
| dneary | Well, maybe not | 12:37 |
| dneary | Probably not, even | 12:38 |
| dneary | Let's take one example, FM radio programming: | 12:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm changing it to users. :P I'll add a Windows section for completeness' sake to round out the Users part. | 12:38 |
| dneary | Make the name "Programming FM radio" to fit in with Mediawiki naming norms | 12:39 |
| dneary | and make it into a link | 12:39 |
| dneary | (just done) on the Categorization page | 12:39 |
| dneary | Find the page in midgard: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/fmradioprogramming/ | 12:39 |
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| dneary | X-Fade: I can't remember how you got the raw wikitext | 12:40 |
| dneary | It's not /raw/ | 12:40 |
| dneary | Ah, damn... httpS | 12:41 |
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| X-Fade | dneary: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/source/fmradioprogramming/ | 12:43 |
| dneary | Ah, rigt | 12:43 |
| dneary | Thanks | 12:43 |
| dneary | https://maemo.org/community/wiki/source/fmradioprogramming/ | 12:43 |
| X-Fade | No need for https | 12:43 |
| dneary | In, that page, "View source", Ctrl-A, Ctrl-C | 12:44 |
| dneary | (alternative is to edit the page & copy & paste wiki text) | 12:44 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:45 |
| dneary | Add {{Midgard article}} to the top, [[Category:Development]] and [[Category:Midgard wiki]] to the bottom | 12:45 |
| dneary | Afternoon you mean, don't you? ;) | 12:46 |
| dneary | Then, change the markdown to MediaWiki: | 12:46 |
| dneary | # become = = | 12:46 |
| dneary | ## becomes == == | 12:46 |
| dneary | Bullet lists start on first column | 12:46 |
| dneary | Preformatted stuff is surrounded by <pre></pre>, or is indented at least 1 space | 12:47 |
| dneary | Links go from [link text](link URL) to [link URL link text] | 12:47 |
| dneary | Wiki links probably need manyal setting/changing | 12:47 |
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| X-Fade | dneary: I'll lock the old wiki. | 12:47 |
| dneary | _text_ can be changed to ''text'', **text** to '''text''' | 12:48 |
| dneary | etc. etc. | 12:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, weird wiki bug. I've got a "You have new messages" banner that I can't get to go away. :\ | 12:49 |
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| dneary | Et voilà: https://wiki.maemo.org/Programming_FM_radio | 12:53 |
| dneary | End to end, approx. 15 minutes per page | 12:54 |
| dneary | Boredom factor: high | 12:54 |
| dneary | Usefulness factor: immesurable | 12:54 |
| dneary | So, who's game? :) | 12:54 |
| luogni | isn't better to just do a script to convert pages ? | 12:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dneary, may or may not be a useful recruiting venue: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=190736#post190736 | 12:55 |
| dneary | I saw that | 12:55 |
| * andre__ should read itt more often to streamline bug reports | 12:55 | |
| lardman | dneary: bit busy atm, but might find some time this evening | 12:55 |
| dneary | luogni: There's a lot of manual retouching to do anyway, and almost all the pages need to be renamed | 12:56 |
| andre__ | hmm, nice idea | 12:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, good luck with that. <_< :shudder: | 12:56 |
| dneary | luogni: But indeed, there is even a script that I wrote | 12:56 |
| andre__ | heh... well, we got to get this going :) | 12:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | itT has experienced a long descent into uselessness over the past 3 years. | 12:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nowadays it's mostly just iPhone comparison stupidity and inane bitch-n-moan sessions that never result in anything productive. | 12:58 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: it happens once you get past some critcal level of waffle | 12:58 |
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| lardman | GeneralAntilles: All the useful info should be distilled out and saved somewhere, some of those threads are sooo long, it's very hard to find what you want even if you know the thread | 12:58 |
| lardman | We had the same issues with the Zaurus.com forums and oesf.org forums | 12:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, we tried that with the wiki | 13:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | nothing ever came of it. | 13:00 |
| lardman | yes, we also tried and failed | 13:00 |
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| lardman | in the end it needs someone who's familiar and interested in a given subject (and who's therefore read the threads) to write up and maintain a wiki page about that subject (IMO) | 13:01 |
| lardman | but people are scared of wikis (I was anyway :) so they need a prod | 13:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wonder where that technut thread about either the strong core getting fed up and disappearing or the orbiting debris being blown away and the core coming out stronger went. Sadly, we seem to be experiencing the former. | 13:01 |
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| lardman | depends on the density of the core ;) | 13:02 |
| X-Fade | dneary: I have now disabled editing on the old wiki. | 13:02 |
| dneary | Ah | 13:02 |
| dneary | Is it possible to have one page be an exception? ;) | 13:03 |
| lcuk | on whether or not the core has dma access to the LCD ;) | 13:03 |
| dneary | X-Fade: Thank you, by the way :) | 13:03 |
| X-Fade | dneary: I'll give you edit rights? | 13:03 |
| lcuk | hmmm halfapost.. | 13:03 |
| lcuk | hi folks, just popping past \o | 13:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody with an N800 add some input here? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3233 | 13:05 |
| dneary | X-Fade: I guess I have them already | 13:07 |
| lardman | I've never used the thumb keyboard | 13:07 |
| X-Fade | yep. | 13:07 |
| dneary | I just modified the page | 13:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ever, lardman? | 13:07 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: never ever, it just annoys me when it pops up :) | 13:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not even on the 770 or N800? | 13:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Weird. | 13:07 |
| lardman | I always use a stylus on those | 13:07 |
| * GeneralAntilles couldn't imagine getting by without it. | 13:08 | |
| dneary | We're down to about 20 pages needing migration, then we need to fix all the content and that'll be the fun stuff | 13:08 |
| dneary | But first, lunch | 13:08 |
| lardman | :) | 13:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | That might explain your fetish for the N810's keyboard. ;) | 13:08 |
| lardman | Indeed :) | 13:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd be irritated, too, if I had to use the vkb all the time. | 13:08 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Thanks for that nice banner ;) | 13:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | :P | 13:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Think of it as incentive. | 13:09 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: What plugin is that? | 13:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | The banner? None, I think. | 13:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's just mediawiki. | 13:10 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: At least now I got a mail from mediawiki about you adding something to my talk page. | 13:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, you want me to file something in Bugzilla? | 13:18 |
| X-Fade | That would help. Then I can assign it to Ferenc. | 13:19 |
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| Ave | is it possible to set some settign in microb that'd stop the scaler doing anything BUT text only? | 13:27 |
| Ave | I'm perusing about:config but so far only layout.full.zoom.mode.fast looks viable | 13:27 |
| X-Fade | Ave: So just set font size? | 13:28 |
| Ave | with the +- buttons | 13:30 |
| Ave | or? | 13:30 |
| Ave | currently it scales everything, which is bad | 13:30 |
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| Ave | the bitmap scaling really sucks quality-wise so I'd rather not have it at all | 13:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, https://bugs.maemo.org/post_bug.cgi | 13:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh | 13:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | I hate that | 13:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3235 | 13:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | There | 13:33 |
| [nine] | (side note regarding that bug) omniweb uses webkit now? | 13:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | [nine], has for about forever now. | 13:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since 5.0 | 13:35 |
| [nine] | i haven't used it since the dark days of the osx public beta in 2000. | 13:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was awesome then, it's awesome now. :D | 13:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, sorry, 5.5 was WebKit, actually. | 13:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2006. | 13:36 |
| [nine] | it was awesome then. because the alternative was *shudder* internet explorer. | 13:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | True, but it's still awesome compared to the alternatives now. ;) | 13:36 |
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| lardman | Anyone running Diablo who has got a2dp to work for them? | 13:46 |
| lardman | Looks like the error I was seeing with my DSP version is also present in the non-DSP version | 13:47 |
| lardman | I seem to remember qwerty saying he was having troubles | 13:48 |
| herwood | hi guys | 13:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, regarding the login page editing. Apparently you need the "editinterface" privileges (may or may not be on by default for sysops) to edit the login page. Alternatively, I think you can edit it from /includes/SpecialUserlogin.php locally. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3236 | 13:50 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Well, I'll have to get me some of these rights then ;) | 13:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 13:51 |
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| * GeneralAntilles spams website bugs for great karma. | 13:52 | |
| X-Fade | Hehe. Yeah, I'll bet that will help you. | 13:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's too bad triaging is so weak on the karma side. | 13:54 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: File an enhancement bug? :) | 13:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good plan! :D | 13:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who is directly responsible for the karma stuff? Quim? | 13:55 |
| X-Fade | I already requested a karma plugin for the new wiki already, so you should be getting more there :) | 13:55 |
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| X-Fade | The Nemein guys are going to improve the karma system as task for the next 100 days. | 13:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Still waiting on that itT "Thanks!" karma . . . I'll be sittin' real pretty then. ;) | 13:56 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, we would need a 0.00001 modifier there ;) | 13:57 |
| herwood | does anybody know that is it possible to get valgrind run in N810? | 13:58 |
| herwood | or is it only possible to play with it under x86? | 13:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I was hoping for a 2x so I could blow right past Quim. :D ;) | 14:00 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, but Quality is better than Quantity. ;) | 14:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ooh buuurn | 14:00 |
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| trickie|work | herwood: i think valgrind only works on x86 | 14:02 |
| trickie|work | maybe PPC also | 14:03 |
| trickie|work | herwood: yep, http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_debugging_guide.html#valgrind | 14:03 |
| X-Fade | http://packages.debian.org/sid/valgrind , no armel there. | 14:04 |
| herwood | trickie|work: oh, what a pity.. now I have to find all the memory leaks by myself.. :P | 14:04 |
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| X-Fade | herwood: Can't you just run it on the x86 target? | 14:05 |
| herwood | X-Fade: I have to run it in the actual device, because I use bluetooth | 14:05 |
| X-Fade | Hmm, yeah that is a bit more difficult. | 14:06 |
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| herwood | But atleast I could start the program and shut it down to find some of the memory leaks | 14:06 |
| herwood | under x86 | 14:07 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, and try to disable the bt part of functions. | 14:07 |
| X-Fade | Although that is probably a lot of work. | 14:07 |
| herwood | yeah | 14:07 |
| herwood | is there any other way to find memory leaks under arm? | 14:08 |
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| KotCzarny | analyze code by hand? | 14:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:08 |
| herwood | ;) | 14:08 |
| wnd | ccmalloc for instance | 14:08 |
| X-Fade | Maybe you can look at smaps for the pid? | 14:08 |
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| lardman | you could replace alloc with your own allocator (from a memory slab) and print out debugging info | 14:09 |
| lardman | it will quickly become fragmented, but might indicate where your code is not freeing | 14:10 |
| herwood | yeah, that could be one options | 14:11 |
| herwood | *option | 14:11 |
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| * lcuk does not like leaks | 14:22 | |
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| shres | Hey, do you guys know where i can find source for hildon-im-hwr-teach? | 14:26 |
| mbuf | has anyone tried using wvdial or anyother PPP application from the Maemo device? | 14:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | shres, I'm 99% sure it's not open, but if it is, it'll be somewhere around here: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/ | 14:32 |
| shres | GeneralAntilles, ah, that explains me not finding it. Thanks. | 14:32 |
| trickie|work | herwood: you could try some techniques at http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/manual/libc/Allocation-Debugging.html | 14:36 |
| trickie|work | i never used it myself | 14:36 |
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| herwood | trickie|work: thanks, I'll try that | 14:43 |
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| gadgetoid | Woah information overload! | 14:52 |
| KotCzarny | came back for more? | 14:52 |
| gadgetoid | On the n810 now | 14:53 |
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| gadgetoid | Got root.. Updated package lists... Its awesome | 14:53 |
| gadgetoid | And works great with wmwifirouter | 14:53 |
| KotCzarny | wm? | 14:53 |
| gadgetoid | Keyboard sucks though :( | 14:53 |
| gadgetoid | Yeah running on my wm phone.. Making it a wifi router | 14:54 |
| KotCzarny | it's small, what would you expect | 14:54 |
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| KotCzarny | ever tried q1 umpc? ;) | 14:54 |
| bedboi | i got two cards both connected to the internet, i would like to generate traffic from one interface (say eth0) to the other interface traversing the internet | 14:55 |
| gadgetoid | I think i might just do with the n800 | 14:55 |
| * KotCzarny has n800 | 14:55 | |
| gadgetoid | Even my tiny phone keyboard is better than this | 14:55 |
| KotCzarny | and a bt kb | 14:55 |
| Anunakin | umpc is not to me ... at this time... very expansive... | 14:55 |
| bedboi | i tried by adding a rule in my routing table but it always use localhost | 14:55 |
| mtrlt_ | n810's keyboard is good imo :-( | 14:56 |
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| Anunakin | I not live at USA... and here imports receive a 100% tax | 14:56 |
| mtrlt_ | much better than a virtual keyboard | 14:56 |
| gadgetoid | But the n810 looks pretty and the screen is amazing | 14:56 |
| AStorm | not much, but better | 14:56 |
| AStorm | yeah, n810 is shiny :> | 14:56 |
| gadgetoid | I would use a bluetooth keyboard | 14:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:56 |
| KotCzarny | n800 is enough for me | 14:56 |
| KotCzarny | paying 200$ more just for chic factor? | 14:57 |
| KotCzarny | nah | 14:57 |
| Anunakin | n810 is very good... but a x86 processor and 3D graphics are good... | 14:57 |
| mtrlt_ | and gps (albeit crappy) | 14:57 |
| KotCzarny | wait for software updates | 14:57 |
| wnd | herwood, is there a reason why you can't just use ccmalloc? | 14:57 |
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| AStorm | Anunakin: and is heavy and works short on batteries? | 14:58 |
| Anunakin | I dont understand... why GPS on n810 needs 10 sats to sync. .. and not do nothing with 3 .... | 14:58 |
| AStorm | or are you talking about some Everun? | 14:58 |
| KotCzarny | astorm, btw. nokia's charger is 6.24V without load | 14:58 |
| AStorm | Anunakin: no, just 3 | 14:58 |
| Anunakin | I talking about UMPC | 14:58 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: w/o load = add a load and remeasure ;P | 14:58 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 14:58 |
| AStorm | Anunakin: which UMPC? | 14:58 |
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| KotCzarny | probably goes down to 5.7 | 14:58 |
| KotCzarny | or something | 14:58 |
| AStorm | no | 14:58 |
| gadgetoid | Anyway back to work! | 14:59 |
| Anunakin | haha | 14:59 |
| AStorm | to ~5V | 14:59 |
| KotCzarny | have you measured it? | 14:59 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: yes | 14:59 |
| KotCzarny | good | 14:59 |
| KotCzarny | how is the AA project? | 14:59 |
| KotCzarny | q1 ultra has 3.5h battery life | 15:00 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 15:00 |
| KotCzarny | and mind you, it's battery is a biggie | 15:00 |
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| AStorm | yeah | 15:02 |
| AStorm | these are very power-hungry | 15:02 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: right now it's stalled, no time, exams etc. | 15:02 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 15:02 |
| AStorm | need a proper case for the AAs and that bit of electronics | 15:02 |
| AStorm | and a proper hard switch | 15:03 |
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| AStorm | the current one is junk | 15:03 |
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| KotCzarny | snatch one from an old lamp | 15:03 |
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| KotCzarny | the one that has a string to pull | 15:03 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 15:03 |
| RST38h | or a fighter jet | 15:03 |
| AStorm | nah, too large | 15:04 |
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| AStorm | I need a small hard switch ;P | 15:04 |
| AStorm | that's mostly a safeguard, an electronic soft switch would do (can signal the Maxim to turn off) | 15:05 |
| AStorm | it'd still reduce battery drain a tiny bit | 15:05 |
| AStorm | ah, and need to add a 5V led ;P | 15:05 |
| AStorm | (and attach it to power_good wire) | 15:06 |
| KotCzarny | how about battery meter? | 15:06 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 15:06 |
| AStorm | no, too expensive | 15:06 |
| AStorm | would eat battery too | 15:06 |
| KotCzarny | enable by user action | 15:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade_, is there a table up somewhere showing a breakdown of the karma weighting? | 15:06 |
| glass | a button press powermeter is nice feat on some batteries(on some laptops etc) | 15:06 |
| KotCzarny | ie. press some part of battery | 15:06 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: expensive, hard to fit, but... why not, maybe later | 15:06 |
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| AStorm | actually, could use the maxim when not operating to do that | 15:07 |
| KotCzarny | astorm, it would be nice to know when you have to recharge | 15:07 |
| AStorm | it has a comparator | 15:07 |
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| AStorm | although, that one is tuned to 1.5V | 15:08 |
| AStorm | and not the slightly lower voltage | 15:08 |
| AStorm | could use it anyway | 15:09 |
| KotCzarny | k | 15:10 |
| KotCzarny | time to go to sleep | 15:10 |
| KotCzarny | nite people | 15:10 |
| AStorm | oooh, I sense improvement | 15:11 |
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| AStorm | I'll use a synchronous rectifier instead of the Schottky diode | 15:11 |
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| herwood | wnd: Sorry for my delay. I haven't heard from ccmalloc before. Is it easy to use? | 15:21 |
| wnd | basically you only need to link your application against it | 15:23 |
| wnd | the package comes with a wrapper, so in most cases it works as drop-in replacement for the compiler | 15:23 |
| herwood | ahaa, sounds good | 15:24 |
| herwood | I'll try that, because it sounds so "easy".. :) | 15:24 |
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| wnd | it seems that the debian package build depends on g++-4.1, but it seems to compile and work with older g++, too | 15:25 |
| herwood | ok | 15:26 |
| mbuf | i see that pupnik_ has wvdial working, but, where can i find documentation regarding that? http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2007-07-04.log.html | 15:27 |
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| wiza | couple of questions: 1) since I'm thinking about paying wayfinder some money, is there easy way to install wippies/fon hotspots info to wayfinder 2) any software available to automatically login to wippies/fon networks in n810 | 15:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wiza, just use Maemo Mapper? | 15:34 |
| wiza | GeneralAntilles: I thought it needed internet connection for routing? | 15:34 |
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| wiza | and usually when I really need it, I'm middle of nowhere on some unpaved road on my motorcycle... | 15:35 |
| wiza | and 3g or even gprs is not always there... | 15:35 |
| wiza | and I like everything in same software | 15:36 |
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| herwood | wnd: Yeah, ccmalloc works great! Thanks! | 15:38 |
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| dneary | anyone about? | 15:57 |
| Xxaxx | :) | 15:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, we're sleeping. | 15:57 |
| rm_you | yep. definately sleeping. | 15:58 |
| * rm_you is waiting for someone here to wake up and go to work so I can go to sleep | 15:58 | |
| * rm_you is essentially time-sharing a bed >_< | 15:58 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 15:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's called hot racking, rm_you. ;) | 15:59 |
| rm_you | lol | 15:59 |
| rm_you | yeah, 4 people sleeping in a 2 person apartment | 15:59 |
| rm_you | only one couch... | 15:59 |
| rm_you | so i wait for the guy with the comfortable bed to wake up and go to work :P | 16:00 |
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| dneary | rm_you: While you're waiting, how about PerformanceOptimisation? | 16:02 |
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| dneary | rm_you: or JavaLanguage? | 16:02 |
| rm_you | oo JavaLanguage | 16:02 |
| rm_you | what do i have to do? | 16:02 |
| dneary | rm_you: Move the contents of https://maemo.org/community/wiki/javalanguage/ to https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Java&action=edit, basically | 16:03 |
| dneary | You will need to redo markdown as mediawiki, thought | 16:03 |
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| * GeneralAntilles pokes X-Fade again as he's shown a small sign of activity. | 16:09 | |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: There is no formal list for karma modifiers. But we have the config file in svn. | 16:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hmm, ok. | 16:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mind if I file an enhancement request for a karma description page generated based on that config? | 16:11 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Or just create one in the wiki? | 16:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or that, too. | 16:11 |
| X-Fade | Ah bergie should be able to tell you the karma modifiers ;) | 16:11 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: why so obsessed with karma? :P | 16:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Selfish reasons. ;) | 16:12 |
| bergie | X-Fade: what seems to be the problem? | 16:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | and it's my nit to pick for this morning. | 16:12 |
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| rm_you | <GeneralAntilles> and it's my nit to pick for this morning. | 16:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | bergie, happen to have a breakdown of the karma modifiers? | 16:13 |
| rm_you | s/nit/Nokia Internet Tablet (?)/ | 16:13 |
| infobot | rm_you meant: <GeneralAntilles> and it's my Nokia Internet Tablet (?) to pick for this morning. | 16:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitpicking :P | 16:13 |
| rm_you | yeah i know :P | 16:13 |
| bergie | GeneralAntilles: http://trac.midgard-project.org/browser/branches/MidCOM_2_8/net.nehmer.account/config/config.inc | 16:13 |
| bergie | GeneralAntilles: see the karma_xx_modifier keys near the end | 16:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Any breakdown on bugzilla? | 16:15 |
| mbuf | maddler, ping | 16:18 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: No, it is only for filing at the moment. I think. | 16:18 |
| bergie | GeneralAntilles: bugzilla karma plugin is called externally and has its modifiers hard-coded into itself | 16:19 |
| bergie | Marcell did it (IIRC) | 16:19 |
| GAN800 | Well, I've got 30 bugs and 64 karma points on bugzilla. So, I guess the modifier's high and it hasn't updated in a bit? | 16:20 |
| X-Fade | But I think for itt posts we need a log scale type modifier ;) Because GA posts way too much.. | 16:21 |
| bergie | with blogs and apps we take votes into account to try to modify for quality instead of quantity. Does ITT have anything similar? | 16:22 |
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| X-Fade | bergie: Yeah, the thanks part is the quality modifier. | 16:23 |
| X-Fade | People can say thanks per post. So good posts receive a lot of thanks. | 16:23 |
| X-Fade | Basically number_of_posts/thanks is your ratio.. | 16:23 |
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| GAN800 | I'd just use the Thanks! alone, as the ratio would be screwy for people who have been posting there since before the thanks system was implemented. | 16:27 |
| rm_you | wow i have like 90 thanks and like... 15 posts <_< | 16:27 |
| GAN800 | Reggie set up an xml dump for it a few days ago, it's mentioned in one of the itT enhancement requests on bugzilla. | 16:27 |
| X-Fade | Yeah thanks/100 would be ok ;) | 16:27 |
| GAN800 | Woo adv-backlight! | 16:28 |
| rm_you | :P | 16:28 |
| rm_you | ahh | 16:28 |
| rm_you | 109 thanks, 52 posts <_< | 16:28 |
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| rm_you | only 2/1 | 16:28 |
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| dneary | rm_you: How's she coming along? | 16:35 |
| rm_you | not very. not sure what exactly I'm doing here :P | 16:35 |
| rm_you | i SUCK at wiki markup | 16:35 |
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| dneary | X-Fade: You know karma isn't updating for some people, don't you? | 16:35 |
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| X-Fade | dneary: Nah, they just don't do enough to get noticed :D | 16:36 |
| dneary | rm_you: I gave the 10 second guide earlier: | 16:36 |
| dneary | Then, change the markdown to MediaWiki: | 16:37 |
| dneary | # become = = | 16:37 |
| dneary | ## becomes == == | 16:37 |
| dneary | Bullet lists start on first column | 16:37 |
| dneary | Preformatted stuff is surrounded by <pre></pre>, or is indented at least 1 space | 16:37 |
| dneary | Links go from [link text](link URL) to [link URL link text] | 16:37 |
| dneary | Wiki links probably need manual setting/changing | 16:37 |
| dneary | <dneary> _text_ can be changed to ''text'', **text** to '''text''' | 16:37 |
| dneary | etc. etc. | 16:37 |
| dneary | X-Fade: You talkin' 'bout me? | 16:37 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Could be ;) | 16:38 |
| rm_you | ah missed that | 16:38 |
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| dneary | X-Fade: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2481 | 16:39 |
| X-Fade | dneary: I have no idea why it isn't updated. | 16:39 |
| dneary | Well, what's the metric? | 16:40 |
| dneary | Perhaps the email addresses don't match? | 16:40 |
| dneary | In which case, what can I do to merge? | 16:40 |
| X-Fade | You can't merge. | 16:40 |
| dneary | Perhaps wiki edits and creates aren't being taken into account? | 16:40 |
| X-Fade | But al least comments, favs and blogs should show up.. | 16:41 |
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| rm_you | wait, how do i do bulletted lists? | 16:43 |
| mbuf | i can dial out to USB-modem from N810 with ppp package? or do i also need wvdial? | 16:43 |
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| mbuf | there is already ppp package available for maemo | 16:44 |
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| Dekaritae | How can I configure FBReader to indicate the read/unread state of hyperlinks? | 16:45 |
| ||cw | wvdial is just a gui for ppp isn't it? | 16:45 |
| sp3000 | rm_you: http://wiki.maemo.org/Help:Editing ...er | 16:45 |
| mbuf | ||cw, i would assume so | 16:46 |
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| sp3000 | rm_you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cheatsheet | 16:48 |
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| unixSnob | i'm trying to open a file, and the file browser has me in some kind of chroot jail or something | 16:49 |
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| unixSnob | I cannot find /home/user | 16:50 |
| unixSnob | i just see "audio clips", "documents", "games", etc | 16:50 |
| sp3000 | yes, the file chooser doesn't show a root at / | 16:50 |
| sp3000 | but in ~/MyDocs and /media/mmc* and a bluetooth root and whatnot | 16:50 |
| johnx | unixSnob, the file open/save dialog and file browser are trapped beneath /home/user/MyDocs | 16:51 |
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| ||cw | sp3000: install an alternative file manager | 16:51 |
| rm_you | or make a symlink? >_> | 16:51 |
| unixSnob | what a lousy implementation. no way to climb above? Does it work if I make a symbolic link to / | 16:51 |
| sp3000 | you can use the web browser, dunno how far a symlink gets you (not sure if there's anything atm that does stupid things wrt symlink loops, hope not) | 16:51 |
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| rm_you | it might loop the media-crawler, actually | 16:52 |
| rm_you | i remember that being a problem | 16:52 |
| johnx | unixSnob, file an enhance request to nokia, but I bet the answer is "works as intended" | 16:52 |
| rm_you | metalayer-crawler? | 16:52 |
| sp3000 | bug 1760, "This will be fixed in the next release (Diablo)." | 16:52 |
| johnx | rm_you, that's correct | 16:52 |
| sp3000 | so perhaps that's not a good idea (yet) ;) | 16:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | johnx, don't file the request | 16:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | it's already been filed | 16:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | and yes, the answer is "works as intended" | 16:53 |
| johnx | heh | 16:53 |
| sp3000 | exposing a bunch of gibberish in the ui would be silly anyhow | 16:54 |
| Navi | Gross | 16:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just pick an alternative file manager and keep stuff you need to get to a lot on the cards or in ~/MyDocs/ | 16:54 |
| sp3000 | a textfile level pref otoh perhaps, but, meh | 16:54 |
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| johnx | yeah, I actually don't mind too much | 16:54 |
| johnx | if you're hacking around in /etc you're better off in x-term anyways | 16:55 |
| pupnik_ | Poll and Collection bin for comments about the d-pad for future internet tablets. I'd like everyone who plays games to vote, and if you voted 'don't like' to leave a brief comment. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20886 | 16:55 |
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| mbuf | found this, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/34462?page=last | 16:56 |
| Xxaxx | btw, is that true that only osso-xterm available on os08, or maybe more xterminals exists? | 16:56 |
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| johnx | Xxaxx, any xterm you can compile will run, but osso-xterm fits in best | 16:58 |
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| Navi | needs tabs | 16:58 |
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| johnx | meh | 16:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | It has tabs. | 16:59 |
| johnx | I have screen | 16:59 |
| Xxaxx | there was hacked version of osso-xterm back in os07 | 16:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Xxaxx, sse2.net/xterm | 16:59 |
| Navi | ugh | 17:00 |
| Navi | so many new emails | 17:00 |
| Xxaxx | GeneralAntilles: will it be as second terminal or as the only one? | 17:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Install it over the default one. . . . | 17:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll upgrade it. | 17:01 |
| Xxaxx | GeneralAntilles: how can I turn it back? :) reflash? :P | 17:01 |
| glass | aika hintsusti on | 17:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Xxaxx, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/os2008/free/o/osso-xterm/ | 17:03 |
| inz | glass, tkäsi! | 17:07 |
| Xxaxx | GeneralAntilles: it is empty! :P | 17:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's in one of the official repositories. | 17:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | So just remove it and reinstall it from there. | 17:07 |
| Xxaxx | GeneralAntilles: I understand :) I will try it now :) new version I mean | 17:08 |
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| Xxaxx | GeneralAntilles: is that your version? :) | 17:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm using Diablo, and, no, jott compiled that. | 17:08 |
| inz | And the "enhanced" version is my fault | 17:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Diablo xterm is worlds better than the Chinook xterm | 17:09 |
| Xxaxx | hm :) | 17:09 |
| johnx | counter point: there are some small but noticeable improvements | 17:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, the toolbar doesn't completely suck | 17:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and finger keyboard actually works. | 17:09 |
| inz | General, I wonder if they used my fixes as base for it... | 17:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's worlds compared to Chinook. | 17:10 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, I didn't notice any real difference or improvement on either :P | 17:10 |
| rm_you | does the control+ modifier not behave RETARDEDLY? | 17:10 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: It seems that you have filed 28 bugs in bugzilla? That is what the karma plugin picks up. | 17:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, then you weren't using it enough. <_< | 17:10 |
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| johnx | possibly correct, I try to avoid it, because somehow even with a usb keyboard, using a term on a device that small is a PITA | 17:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | 31, X-Fade: https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&emailre | 17:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh | 17:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | uh | 17:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sorry | 17:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, the finger keyboard return actually sends a return | 17:11 |
| X-Fade | Bugzilla urls are always very long ;) | 17:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and the toolbar doesn't close the vkb when you click on, say, Ctrl. | 17:12 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: I wouldn't use it if I were you, stick to the stylus ;) | 17:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stylus keyboard sucks ass. ;) | 17:12 |
| lardman | :) | 17:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I get about 25wpm on stylus and 40-60 on finger | 17:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which would you use? | 17:12 |
| johnx | heh...my zaurus w/ ssh | 17:13 |
| lardman | johnx: +1 :) | 17:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Given the two options above. :P | 17:13 |
| johnx | can't tab in the thumbboard | 17:13 |
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| lardman | I like to be able to see the screen | 17:13 |
| * rm_you agrees... mostly just SSH in | 17:14 | |
| johnx | I switch between both about half and half | 17:14 |
| johnx | and try to avoid either as much as possible | 17:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, whatever. :P | 17:14 |
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| pupnik_ | cool jobs at maemo.org | 17:15 |
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| pupnik_ | http://maemo.org/news/jobs | 17:15 |
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| johnx | it is incredibly encouraging to see nokia put their $$$ where their mouth is in terms of paying for talent for maemo \o/ | 17:17 |
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| rm_you | Now, if only they'd open a few select source packages... | 17:18 |
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| dneary | X-Fade: Ping? | 17:19 |
| * johnx won't worry about that for now | 17:19 | |
| X-Fade | dneary: Yep. | 17:19 |
| * rm_you worries about that now | 17:19 | |
| dneary | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?May2008Sprint&id=106&type=g is giving me a security error | 17:19 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Yes, the garage certificate has been revoked. | 17:20 |
| X-Fade | We should be getting a new one shortly.. | 17:20 |
| dneary | ah | 17:20 |
| dneary | Do you know who installedd the MediaWiki? I want to give credit where it's due | 17:20 |
| dneary | Was it you, or Ferenc? | 17:21 |
| X-Fade | Ferenc did that. | 17:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, is the karma generated dynamically or does it run an update once a day or something? | 17:22 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Once a day. | 17:23 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, i recall reading that the imap implementation that gmail use is limited at best. but i need to find where i read that... | 17:28 |
| lcuk | pupnik_, shame most of them dont list location requirements | 17:29 |
| johnx | planet.maemo.org IIRC | 17:29 |
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| Xxaxx | GeneralAntilles: haha:) what difference between original osso-xterm and sse2.net version? :x I didn't see any:) | 17:29 |
| qwerty12 | Eh, there's a lot :p | 17:29 |
| Xxaxx | encoding ? | 17:29 |
| johnx | though google-imap+modest work well for me | 17:29 |
| Xxaxx | qwerty12: for example ? | 17:29 |
| qwerty12 | Xxaxx, Did you install .13 or .14? | 17:29 |
| Xxaxx | .14 | 17:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, you fail at logging in to the wiki. :P | 17:30 |
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| qwerty12 | Ah, some bug fixes present, the option to hide the scrollbar works etc. .13 shows more difference (tabs and vertical shortcut bar) but it is older :/ and you may not like | 17:30 |
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| Xxaxx | how about background/foregrownd black/white ? | 17:31 |
| Xxaxx | and vertical shortcut bar, I like it:) | 17:31 |
| rm_you | truth | 17:31 |
| MangoFusion | i find gmail imap is very odd. and annoying too if you store anything other than email in it (e.g. apple mail's todo's) | 17:31 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles,dneary : I at found a bug in the bugzilla karma. You should see a difference there tomorrow. (I hope) :) | 17:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks, X-Fade. | 17:33 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: how does agps-ui work? | 17:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | It is just submitted bugs, though, right? | 17:33 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, No idea, n800 here | 17:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | He doesn't have an N810. | 17:33 |
| summatusmentis | I thought he'd posted on a blog somewhere, my mistake | 17:33 |
| qwerty12 | Well, I was first to post a screenshot and maybe notice it :/ | 17:34 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Yes, but it seems a plugin for other bugzilla things should be possible. | 17:34 |
| qwerty12 | But I couldn't test it out :p | 17:34 |
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| Xxaxx | ah, I can change the xterm colors, good:) | 17:34 |
| summatusmentis | oh, ok | 17:34 |
| dneary | X-Fade: What was the bug? | 17:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, that's good. Triagers should get their recognition. :D | 17:34 |
| lardman | summatusmentis: over a dbus message | 17:35 |
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| X-Fade | It didn't update since a few weeks ;) | 17:35 |
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| X-Fade | Thank the debian openssl bug for that ;) | 17:35 |
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| lardman | summatusmentis: iirc gpsdriver asks for the info over dbus, but I only looked briefly | 17:35 |
| summatusmentis | lardman: so it should work fine w/ maemo mapper then? | 17:36 |
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| lardman | summatusmentis: yes, it operates at a lower level afaik | 17:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, the GPS framework is below the application level. ;) | 17:36 |
| qwerty12 | It would make AGPS shit on the N810 if it only worked with Map 0.o | 17:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | "Map" sucks however you look at it. | 17:37 |
| summatusmentis | I agree, just wanted to clarify | 17:37 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Agreed. I don't know why people bother to try and "crack" it. | 17:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, Yeah?! You wanna fight about it! :P | 17:37 |
| lardman | I actually got a lock from stone cold yesterday, using agps, in ~2min | 17:37 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: you'd kick my ass | 17:37 |
| rm_you | vector maps would be nice... | 17:37 |
| lardman | OSM....? | 17:37 |
| rm_you | would love to see a vectormap plugin for MaemoMapper | 17:37 |
| * GeneralAntilles throws paper ninja stars at summatusmentis. | 17:37 | |
| summatusmentis | hmm... I've got 8 satellites in view... none connected | 17:38 |
| qwerty12 | ooh, that's gotta hurt | 17:38 |
| summatusmentis | psh, ninja starts? weak sauce | 17:38 |
| * summatusmentis activates force field | 17:38 | |
| * rm_you orders some strong sauce for GeneralAntilles | 17:38 | |
| lardman | summatusmentis: the agps-ui is probably not accurate enough to be able to generate completely correct ephemeris data | 17:38 |
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| summatusmentis | lardman: I don't understand the word ephemeris, I just want a mapping program that works :) | 17:39 |
| pupnik_ | would gps get a faster lock if user could specify where (s)he actually IS RIGHT NOW when starting gps? | 17:39 |
| lardman | summatusmentis: well that's independent of how the gps works | 17:39 |
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| qwerty12 | pupnik_, Isn't that kinda defeating the point of the GPS for some purposes? | 17:40 |
| summatusmentis | lardman: well, no, I'm looking for a gps fix, mostly | 17:40 |
| RST38h | "Applications may not be designed or marketed for real time route guidance; automatic or autonomous control of vehicles, aircraft, or other mechanical devices; dispatch or fleet management; or emergency or life-saving purposes." | 17:40 |
| lardman | summatusmentis: you have almanac which gives the rough pos'n & vectors of the satellites & ephemeris which corrects that - if you know what you can see and how fast they are moving you can spend more time on the right channels looking for their signals | 17:40 |
| dneary | Thanks rm_you | 17:40 |
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| lardman | summatusmentis: gps fix is again independent of which mapping sw you use | 17:41 |
| X-Fade | pupnik_: That is how the new a-gps function can work in diablo. You can point on the map. | 17:41 |
| pupnik_ | cool! | 17:41 |
| lardman | summatusmentis: that's down to the underlying bits & bobs | 17:41 |
| qwerty12 | gpsd, gpsdriver etc | 17:42 |
| X-Fade | pupnik_: Or it can use cell info from your mobile phone. | 17:42 |
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| lardman | pupnik_: I'm not sure of the accuracy of the ui though, would be good to be able to zoom into the map of the earth | 17:42 |
| summatusmentis | lardman: right, ok | 17:42 |
| qwerty12 | Someone should make uber ke-recv now that it's oss :) | 17:42 |
| lardman | X-Fade: I see agps-ui is closed, will it remain that way (you may not know)? | 17:42 |
| X-Fade | lardman: You answered your own question. | 17:43 |
| summatusmentis | awesome, I've got a fix :) | 17:43 |
| lardman | It would be good to have a library to which we can pass a location, and it then talks to the supl server and updates gpsdriver | 17:43 |
| lardman | X-Fade: :) | 17:43 |
| summatusmentis | it sort of seemed like it took a while, but that just might be maemomapper | 17:43 |
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| rm_you | wah, so Java actually sorta works on maemo?! | 17:48 |
| lardman | If you run agps-ui full screen (for example), a single pixel comprises a square of about 50x50 miles | 17:48 |
| rm_you | i could actually code some crazy shit if I can use java :P | 17:48 |
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| crashanddie | Yeah, Java on the NIT would be awesome | 17:49 |
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| crashanddie | it does work :-° | 17:49 |
| crashanddie | Well... I wrote an app in java, an x-forwarded it to my tablet :P | 17:50 |
| crashanddie | and** | 17:50 |
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| jott | java works quite ok on the n8x0.. | 17:50 |
| crashanddie | never got around testing the port... How does the UI behave ? | 17:51 |
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| jott | the swt bindings are even hildonized | 17:51 |
| dneary | lardman|afk: How would you feel about taking a hold of the "Programming the DSP" page? | 17:51 |
| jott | and swing is slow and ugly as on the desktop ;) | 17:51 |
| qwerty12 | Are we talking about jailmo or something else? | 17:51 |
| summatusmentis | maemo mapper hates downloading POIs, apparently | 17:52 |
| jott | yeah jalimo | 17:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre|afk, thanks for the blog update! :D | 17:54 |
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| dneary | lardman|afk: That said, I just noticed that you more or less have already :) | 17:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | pupnik_, love your post in the N900 thread @Karel. :D | 18:03 |
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| pupnik_ | hehe | 18:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's too bad he's turned into such an epic troll. | 18:05 |
| pupnik_ | yeah well the grass is always greener on the vaporware side of the fence | 18:06 |
| qwerty12 | It's actually really pisstaking, every post that he makes in any thread is about how nokia, N800 etc is shit | 18:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 18:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, itT | 18:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | What a cesspool. | 18:06 |
| pupnik_ | it's not that bad | 18:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's close. :P | 18:07 |
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| VRe | If they would have news:// interface to ItT I might read those rants more often :) | 18:07 |
| Navi | Woo, trolls | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | Navi's excited because he's reunited with people of his kind :p | 18:08 |
| pupnik_ | ty for the comments on the dpad navi et al | 18:08 |
| Navi | np | 18:09 |
| RST38h | GA: Was Karel a better human being before? | 18:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, yeah. | 18:09 |
| RST38h | I mean, before he opened the Pandora box? | 18:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | He sorta took a nose dive last Winter. | 18:10 |
| Navi | openpandora has some nice stuff for it already | 18:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now it's mostly just sad. | 18:10 |
| qwerty12 | Guy's probably gonna jerk off on his pandora when he gets it the amount of times he's been biggin it up. | 18:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm hoping I can scrape together the cash for both. | 18:10 |
| Navi | pshw | 18:10 |
| RST38h | The sad part is, he is unlikely to achieve happiness when he gets it | 18:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, he's always talking about how many unsatisfactory handhelds he's been through. | 18:11 |
| johnx | definitely | 18:11 |
| RST38h | GA: Well, it will be another one | 18:11 |
| Navi | I'll be able to achieve happiness if a new iNES is released :D *hint hint* | 18:11 |
| johnx | he will not enjoy a real community supported linux handheld, I'm certain of that | 18:11 |
| johnx | if he thinks the n8x0 somehow lacks polish he just needs to wait | 18:11 |
| RST38h | Navi: releasing it is not difficult but the audio problem you are having will most likely stay =( | 18:12 |
| * GeneralAntilles is waiting patiently to jack all of the Pandora code when the N900 comes out. | 18:12 | |
| Navi | :( | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | Navi, I think that is the biggest hint ever :P | 18:12 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, pfft | 18:12 |
| RST38h | GA: Pandora is nothing more than an OMAP3 reference design in a shoddy casing | 18:12 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, the GP2X is a generally closed community source-wise | 18:12 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, I'll be going the other way :) | 18:12 |
| RST38h | Nokia phones are OMAP2 reference designs (to be OMAP3 shortly) | 18:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, qwerty12, this is: [size=∞]HINT[/size] :P | 18:12 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, even the GPL'd source they jack isn't opened | 18:12 |
| pupnik_ | RST38h: ever find time to look at mplayer /trunk/libvo ? | 18:13 |
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| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, lol, got me there :p | 18:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Getting a Pandora, johnx? | 18:13 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Nope - I have 11-14 hour workdays | 18:13 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, very likely | 18:13 |
| pupnik_ | :/ i understand | 18:13 |
| summatusmentis | does the n810 have fm radio? | 18:13 |
| johnx | I'll see how source openness plays out with the pandora | 18:13 |
| RST38h | pupnik: lcuk is the best person to talk about it | 18:13 |
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| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, no muhahahaha | 18:13 |
| Navi | johnx, as badly as the GP2X? | 18:13 |
| RST38h | pupnik: He has done some good progress on making YUV stuff work | 18:13 |
| Navi | :P | 18:13 |
| johnx | Navi, totally different company... | 18:14 |
| Navi | johnx, same community | 18:14 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: oh, ok. I don't care that much, just curious | 18:14 |
| hrw | bye | 18:14 |
| dneary | Navi! | 18:14 |
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| Navi | dneary, dave! | 18:14 |
| RST38h | source openness does not sell units | 18:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha, Navi's done for now. | 18:14 |
| qwerty12 | Baby! | 18:14 |
| dneary | Do you have about 15 minutes to help out with something? | 18:14 |
| johnx | Navi, I don't care about the source for someone's port, all I care about is an open kernel | 18:14 |
| Navi | johnx, oh, meh. Probably the same old stuff we have to deal with every day | 18:14 |
| dneary | Navi: Is your nick your first name backwards? | 18:15 |
| Navi | dneary, nope | 18:15 |
| dneary | ah | 18:15 |
| Navi | dneary, I've told you my name before :P | 18:15 |
| Navi | dneary, yeah, I have some time | 18:15 |
| Navi | dneary, what's up? | 18:15 |
| dneary | And I remember it, of course.... | 18:15 |
| johnx | Navi, I'll see, *before* I buy | 18:15 |
| dneary | Remind me :) | 18:15 |
| qwerty12 | Navi, It's on your bugzilla :p | 18:15 |
| Navi | dneary, Anthony | 18:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, you definitely should apply for a discount code, though. :P | 18:15 |
| dneary | OK - how would you like to copy the wiki text from two pages to their MediaWiki home? | 18:15 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, I think I will this time | 18:15 |
| Navi | johnx, they have a repo for their stuff | 18:15 |
| johnx | Navi, ah, really? | 18:16 |
| Navi | johnx, they should. | 18:16 |
| Navi | or at least, they will :/ | 18:16 |
| dneary | Navi: https://maemo.org/community/wiki/x11extensiontutorial/ | 18:16 |
| johnx | they will probably | 18:16 |
| Navi | I haven't been keeping up with pandora progress | 18:16 |
| johnx | things are still under NDA until they ship though, AFAICT | 18:16 |
| dneary | to https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=X11_Extension_tutorial&action=edit | 18:16 |
| johnx | Navi, I have actually | 18:16 |
| johnx | I'm cautiously optimistic that either the n900(?) or pandora will be "what I want" :) | 18:17 |
| Navi | I'm pessimistic | 18:17 |
| dneary | You'll need to update the wiki text and add the following to the top: {{Midgard article}} and this to the bottom: [[Category:Development]]\n[[Category:Midgard wiki]] | 18:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | I couldn't take the Pandora out of the house looking like it does. | 18:17 |
| Navi | They're both vaporware until they release | 18:17 |
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| johnx | Navi, fair enough | 18:17 |
| johnx | but being optimistic is free for now | 18:17 |
| dneary | And if you are up for a second one: https://maemo.org/community/wiki/gamedevelopment/ to https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Game_development&action=edit | 18:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, either way, TI is definitely more open with the OMAP3 than 2. | 18:18 |
| dneary | Ah, OK. Yes - I recall | 18:18 |
| Navi | hah, curl was slow to respond with my tinyurl stuff :/ | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | What about Nokia's openness? | 18:18 |
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| pupnik_ | thanks for the links dneary | 18:19 |
| * qwerty12 wants to cry, fsck wants to scan my hard disk on the next reboot (anyone using linux will know the pain) :( | 18:19 | |
| dneary | pupnik_: No problem. which ones? | 18:19 |
| pupnik_ | xsp | 18:19 |
| johnx | Navi, if both let me down, I'll buy a beagleboard and make a case for it out of *wood* | 18:19 |
| johnx | I'll hit up lcuk for help with that too :D | 18:20 |
| Navi | Wood? That thing still exists? | 18:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pfft | 18:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, that so wont be pocketable. :P | 18:20 |
| qwerty12 | With the nails sticking out, it would be a nice weapon | 18:20 |
| johnx | hey, as long as I'm being crafty I'll sew new pockets to all my pants :D | 18:20 |
| Navi | If I do end up getting an openpandora, I'm planning on making new housing for it | 18:21 |
| dneary | This page is pretty painful to read: https://maemo.org/community/wiki/maemogaragestartup/ | 18:21 |
| dneary | pupnik_: ? | 18:21 |
| dneary | You lost me | 18:21 |
| Navi | The official design just sucks so much balls | 18:21 |
| johnx | Navi, I don't mind it too much | 18:21 |
| jott | johnx: duct tape the beagle board - you could also attach a display on it this way ;) | 18:22 |
| pupnik_ | https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=X11_Extension_tutorial | 18:22 |
| johnx | you want it more tablet-like? | 18:22 |
| Navi | I would have preferred something closer to the GP2X | 18:22 |
| johnx | I like having a keyboard | 18:22 |
| Navi | gaming buttons all on the face | 18:22 |
| Navi | slide out keyboard | 18:22 |
| johnx | Navi, that would have been nice | 18:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, you should just get this: http://www.mistralsolutions.com/business_divisons/omap_3evm.php | 18:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | At least you don't have to worry about the screen then. | 18:22 |
| johnx | Navi, apparently they're somewhat afraid of patents on that stuff | 18:22 |
| dneary | pupnik_: Ah! | 18:23 |
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| dneary | pupnik_: You're taking on the migration? | 18:23 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, yeah, it's only a bear board for *10x* the price :P | 18:23 |
| pupnik_ | no and i shouldn't even be chatting here now | 18:23 |
| johnx | I was gonna s/ that but it does look like a bear :P | 18:23 |
| pupnik_ | ffh. oh well - consequence. bb someday | 18:24 |
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| solmumaha | https://maemo.org/community/wiki/gamedevelopment/ to | 18:25 |
| solmumaha | sigh | 18:25 |
| Navi | I'm working on the X11 extension thing so if anyone wants to migrate the gamedev article, knock yourself out | 18:26 |
| jott | ugh.. the gamedevelopment article should be split up and the links on the bottom should be removed.. maybe i'll find some time when i'm back home | 18:26 |
| solmumaha | i was just sighing about my inability to use putty :) | 18:27 |
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| rm_you | hrm, pandora looks awesome on first scan <_< | 18:30 |
| rm_you | anyways, sleep for me | 18:30 |
| rm_you | night all | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | night | 18:30 |
| johnx | 'night rm_you | 18:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Weird part message from pupnik. :\ | 18:30 |
| lardman | dneary: yes that's fine | 18:30 |
| lardman | dneary: do I need to import it? | 18:30 |
| dneary | jott: Yes, I agree | 18:31 |
| dneary | jott: But if you wanted, a pure migration with someone else following up with an edit would be fine | 18:31 |
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| Navi | Anyone know how to do a mailing link in mediawiki? | 18:32 |
| jott | dneary: yeah i see what i can do in a few hours from now. i could also do some cleanup if someone migrated the article in the meantime | 18:32 |
| jott | got to go now | 18:33 |
| GAN800 | Navi, [link name] doesn't work? | 18:33 |
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| summatusmentis | Is there a way to 'remote control' a phone via bluetooth? | 18:38 |
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| johnx | I've heard of phone-link | 18:38 |
| Navi | GAN800, no | 18:38 |
| johnx | never tried it | 18:38 |
| Navi | I've heard of it, but I wasn't able to use it 'cuz my phone wasn't support it | 18:38 |
| summatusmentis | garage's certificate has been revoked? | 18:39 |
| qwerty12 | I would <3 the person to convert bt info from Java into C/whatever | 18:39 |
| summatusmentis | Java's not bad | 18:39 |
| lardman | I'd never looked at the Pandora before, looks pretty cool | 18:39 |
| Navi | summatusmentis, yeh | 18:39 |
| Navi | getting a new one | 18:40 |
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| Navi | Hope it's not as annoying :P | 18:40 |
| johnx | lardman, the omap3 is a very interesting board. It will be fun to see what linux devices come out based on it :) | 18:40 |
| johnx | s/board/chipset | 18:40 |
| dneary | GAN800: [URL link text] works | 18:41 |
| Navi | [email address] doesn't | 18:41 |
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| Navi | Just waiting on that and subsections | 18:41 |
| lardman | johnx: yep, nice open documentation :) | 18:41 |
| johnx | and serious guts | 18:41 |
| Navi | I'd know how if the mediawiki guide would fscking load | 18:42 |
| summatusmentis | Navi: any idea as to when the new one will come? | 18:42 |
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| Navi | summatusmentis, ask X-Fade | 18:42 |
| johnx | I think it will be an interesting year or two for embedded linux :) | 18:42 |
| Xxaxx | btw, have anyone seen hildonised links2 (x11 graphic version) ? | 18:42 |
| Xxaxx | (links -g) | 18:42 |
| johnx | Xxaxx, does links2 use gtk for a toolkit?! O_o | 18:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi, [mailto:info@example.org email me] ? | 18:43 |
| Xxaxx | johnx: noop | 18:43 |
| Xxaxx | nope :) | 18:43 |
| johnx | then hildonizing it would mean making a new links based on gtk first :P | 18:44 |
| Xxaxx | "links -g" need only two features :) input and fullscreen :) | 18:44 |
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| Navi | GeneralAntilles, yeah, that works | 18:44 |
| Xxaxx | virtual keyboard input I mean | 18:44 |
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| Navi | dneary, https://wiki.maemo.org/X11_Extension_tutorial | 18:45 |
| Navi | how's that? | 18:45 |
| johnx | Xxaxx, and the hildon-input-method will only work with gtk apps | 18:45 |
| Xxaxx | johnx: yes, but fbreader not gtk application for example ,) | 18:45 |
| Navi | whoops | 18:46 |
| johnx | it is I believe... | 18:46 |
| Xxaxx | it isn't | 18:46 |
| johnx | yes, it is | 18:46 |
| johnx | want me to run ldd on it or something? | 18:46 |
| Xxaxx | better look in source :) | 18:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's got zlibrary for the text rendering | 18:46 |
| Xxaxx | yes | 18:46 |
| mgedmin | Xxaxx: fbreader uses a widget abstraction layer that can use many diverse toolkits as backend | 18:46 |
| mgedmin | on maemo it uses gtk | 18:47 |
| Xxaxx | yes, but for "links -g" must be possible to make dirty hacks without full intergration | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | Only if it is GTK | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | hildon-input-method only works with gtk (python too but I guess python is only interpreted) | 18:48 |
| johnx | qwerty12, only python apps that use gtk for a toolkit :) | 18:49 |
| Navi | python with the python gtk wrappers which import the hildon module | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, Ah, ok :). I assumed it was all python >.< | 18:49 |
| Xxaxx | you can use hildon-input-method not only with gtk, you can use it with plain x11 application with a little hack | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | Well recompile links2 with that little hack. | 18:50 |
| johnx | :D | 18:50 |
| Xxaxx | I was tried, without luck. | 18:50 |
| summatusmentis | phonelink is not happy software | 18:50 |
| johnx | Xxaxx, can you tell us about the hack. I'm sure others would be interested | 18:50 |
| dneary | Navi: Looks great! | 18:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, give it a cookie? | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, Trying to use it on a CDMA phone or something? | 18:50 |
| dneary | I just added categories and the Midgard article template at the top | 18:51 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: well, yes | 18:51 |
| Xxaxx | johnx: https://garage.maemo.org/snippet/detail.php?type=package&id=2 ? | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | Well, I don't know if BREW believes in AT commands with CDMA being the POS it is | 18:51 |
| Navi | dneary, I noticed | 18:51 |
| summatusmentis | I'm not disagreein CDMA is a pos, but it works where i need it to | 18:52 |
| Navi | dneary, thanks | 18:52 |
| summatusmentis | +g | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | works fine on my W810, but it doesn't like my Symbian phones >.< | 18:52 |
| Navi | Anyone do the gamedev article yet? | 18:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi, http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Recentchanges | 18:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't forget to log in when editing. | 18:53 |
| johnx | Xxaxx, hildon-input-method has changed quite a bit since then. That's likely the source of your problems...it is likely still possible of course | 18:53 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: can you recieve calls? or does it just notify you that you're ringing? | 18:53 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, no. I rather people see mah IP an' haxxorz me | 18:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi, karma. :P :D | 18:53 |
| Navi | Screw karma. | 18:53 |
| Navi | Even more reason not to register | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, Never tried out that feature, all I tried out was the texting and ringing calls which work for me fine | 18:53 |
| Navi | log in* | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, See if there is a version of gnokii with cdma support or the like | 18:54 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, I was asking in case there hasn't been a commit | 18:54 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, I can see that the page doesn't exist quite well | 18:55 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: and the calling out is all done through the n8x0 right? you don't still have to pick up your phone to actually talk to someone? | 18:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, I see, but it's still a worthwhile bookmark. | 18:55 |
| Xxaxx | johnx: eh ;( | 18:55 |
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| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, no, you have to pick up the phone physically, phonelink just dials the number (but if you have a bluetooth headset connected to the phone, you don't need to pick up anything) | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | does this work reliably? | 18:56 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: intriguing | 18:56 |
| mgedmin | my ancient phone (t68i) didn't relinquish the bluetooth connection with my palm that did the number dialing fast enough to connect to the BT headset | 18:57 |
| mgedmin | or something like that | 18:57 |
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| dneary | Navi: Looks like it's till up for grabs | 19:00 |
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| Navi | dneary, yeah, working on it | 19:00 |
| dneary | Navi: Cool | 19:00 |
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| Navi | dneary, can I skip the projects with broken links? | 19:08 |
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| dneary | which ones? | 19:08 |
| Navi | Well, none of the indt screenshots work | 19:09 |
| Navi | The whole game list is really not needed in the first place | 19:09 |
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| Navi | dneary, what should I do about it? | 19:14 |
| dneary | Ah | 19:14 |
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| dneary | Leave the links out | 19:14 |
| Navi | Keep the projects in? | 19:14 |
| dneary | Or perhaps put them in comments | 19:14 |
| dneary | You mean screenshots of games etc? | 19:14 |
| Navi | Well, I was talking about the links to the screenshots before | 19:15 |
| Navi | But do you want to keep the names of the projects and their descriptions in? | 19:15 |
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| Navi | dneary, still here? | 19:36 |
| dneary | Yup | 19:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol @ small headings | 19:36 |
| dneary | Just busy :) | 19:36 |
| Navi | dneary, https://wiki.maemo.org/Game_development | 19:37 |
| dneary | https://wiki.maemo.org/MyDocs_folder | 19:37 |
| dneary | Navi: OK - I understand your question better now | 19:37 |
| dneary | I think we should just drop the games from the page | 19:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi, the whole header hierarchy should probably be moved up a place (i.e. == to =) or the SDL section needs to be reworked. | 19:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | The headers get too small. | 19:38 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, do it yerself | 19:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK. :) | 19:39 |
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| Navi | dneary, k | 19:40 |
| Navi | dneary, so, take it out? | 19:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't mid-air collision me | 19:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | You want the game section dumped? | 19:40 |
| dneary | Yup | 19:40 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, mediawiki has diffs for that | 19:40 |
| dneary | So - I desist | 19:40 |
| dneary | I will stop editing | 19:40 |
| dneary | I was thinking of keeping "External links" | 19:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, but it's not automated. :P | 19:41 |
| Navi | It warns you when someone makes a commit before you :P | 19:41 |
| Robot101 | Navi: it gives you the entire page "before" and "after", it's pretty lame | 19:41 |
| Navi | copy and paste | 19:41 |
| Robot101 | you still have to do a manual merge | 19:41 |
| Navi | Easy 'nuff | 19:41 |
| Robot101 | which is just crap considering how many tools there are for doing 3-way merges | 19:41 |
| Robot101 | and showing inline conflicts | 19:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, submitted. | 19:41 |
| Robot101 | it's un-necessarily annoying :) | 19:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seems like somebody should've written a plugin for it. | 19:42 |
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| dneary | Hi Robot101 | 19:46 |
| Robot101 | dneary: hola | 19:47 |
| dneary | Now, what would really be great, and it's really the last worthwhile content I have seen from Midgard, is if "Getting started on Garage" could get content reviewed, heavily edited and mograted | 19:48 |
| dneary | The "MaemoGarageStartUp" page | 19:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd like to see that as part of an Extras/Downloads/Garage documentation thing for developers | 19:49 |
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| andre|afk | GeneralAntilles, you're welcome :) | 19:58 |
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| GAN800 | maemo.org status updates are always useful. Good to throw at idiots who claim there's nothing happening. | 20:01 |
| * GAN800 prods X-Fade to blog more. | 20:01 | |
| X-Fade | GAN800: Dude, I do about one a week. Where's yours? :) | 20:02 |
| GAN800 | I don't blog. :P | 20:02 |
| inz | My current blog rate is about 2 posts/year | 20:02 |
| inz | +post | 20:02 |
| qwerty12 | inz, congrats, you've topped my record at 0 | 20:02 |
| Navi | Lolblog | 20:02 |
| GAN800 | ^ | 20:02 |
| X-Fade | Ok guys, I have now installed a self-signed certificate on garage as a temporary solution while we wait for Verisign to give us the right one. | 20:03 |
| GAN800 | I blog on itT, anyway. | 20:03 |
| inz | I ignore itt | 20:03 |
| GAN800 | A wise plan. | 20:03 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade, But but but firefox won't let me in: "The certificate is not trusted because it is self signed."; you are trying to hack my computer! | 20:03 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: Well, but now you can at least add an exception. | 20:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | I try and bring as many of the non-idiots out of itT and into the maemo community-proper as I can. | 20:04 |
| X-Fade | We revoked the old one and FF3 wouldn't let you in at all. | 20:04 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, I'm only joking, I add certificates anyway when ff3 won't let me in, I don't really give a toss about it being dodgy, I just wanna see the content :p | 20:05 |
| X-Fade | So even though self signed is bad, it is better than no access at all ;) | 20:05 |
| qwerty12 | Reggie: "I would think that the maemo.org wiki will be a good replacement for the itT wiki". With the people at ITT, I hope not. | 20:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, again, pulling the useful people out into the larger community. ;) | 20:07 |
| qwerty12 | But it seems like an invite for noobs :/. The useful people do/should already know about the wiki. | 20:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, n00bs aren't too bad on a wiki. | 20:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | They're usually scared off on just take baby steps | 20:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Once you get 'em taking baby steps you can make them into something useful. | 20:08 |
| qwerty12 | Cool, I'd contribute more to these sort of things if my English was brilliant on wiki (dodgy because on paper, I'm brilliant >.>) and if I knew some wiki basics, html & css | 20:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | No need for html or css | 20:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and english isn't a huge hurdle for technical stuff | 20:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | besides, that's what the other editors are for. | 20:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Are you only allowed to add one comment per entry in Downloads? | 20:11 |
| Peoria | is there anyone got their nokia 770 replaced/fixed under warranty? | 20:12 |
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| summatusmentis | I need to find a larger mini-sd card | 20:12 |
| summatusmentis | or even micro-sd w/ adapter | 20:12 |
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| Peoria | i'm thinking which symptons are enough to get this thing fixed | 20:12 |
| qwerty12 | I need to start packaging my compiles a whole lot better, the aircrack-ng I posted before is the only one I've put real effort into :/ | 20:12 |
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| summatusmentis | !!! 8GB mini-sd on newegg | 20:14 |
| GAN800 | and then start pushing them to Extras-devel. ;) | 20:14 |
| GAN800 | lol? summa | 20:14 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, push them to -devel! | 20:14 |
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| summatusmentis | GAN800: oh, for $33 also | 20:15 |
| summatusmentis | that's awesome | 20:15 |
| GAN800 | Had you not looked before? :P | 20:15 |
| Navi | I just steal debian pkgbuilds and modify them | 20:15 |
| Navi | s'not hard | 20:15 |
| qwerty12 | I don't have enough faith in my compiles to put then in extras-devel | 20:15 |
| summatusmentis | it wasn't there before... last time I looked, they only had 4GB ones, for like $40 | 20:15 |
| GAN800 | That's what the -devel is for. ;) | 20:15 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: -devel is for experimental stuff :) | 20:15 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: And you can even use the autobuilder to test the quality.. ;) | 20:16 |
| summatusmentis | the micro-sd ones are pricy though | 20:16 |
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| qwerty12 | Cool, I'll work on Conky and put that in -devel, seems to be the most popular thing I've compiled | 20:16 |
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| qwerty12 | Hmm, does xournal have a feature where it can annotate on any program on the screen? | 20:24 |
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| johnx | provided you take a screenshot first | 20:25 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, cool, thanks for the answer | 20:26 |
| johnx | heh...sorry. :P I think the answer would be no, in general | 20:27 |
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| X-Fade | qwerty12: Only if you put screenshots in a pdf? | 20:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I wish maemo.org things would keep me signed in. <_< | 20:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Love/hating planet stuff is always a two-step process. . . . | 20:29 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: That is going to happen as soon as we have the new servers in place. | 20:30 |
| * GeneralAntilles is looking forward to that. | 20:30 | |
| qwerty12 | So you are finally replacing the N800's with Apache running on them? :p | 20:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, upgrading FROM 770s TO N800s. :P | 20:30 |
| qwerty12 | heh | 20:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any of this upgrading gonna help with tablets-dev and Extras? | 20:31 |
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| X-Fade | Oh believe me, me too. | 20:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since I'd say tablets-dev and Extras are easily way more important than maemo.org | 20:31 |
| iDS | . | 20:31 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Those servers are mirrord by a huge caching network. | 20:31 |
| iDS | lol | 20:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, which fails totally. | 20:32 |
| qwerty12 | Thank God catalogue.tableteer is a nokia.com site... | 20:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | They might as well not be cached at all for all the good it's done. :\ | 20:32 |
| X-Fade | Yeah there is something that expires the files from the cache way too soon. | 20:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | tablets-dev and Extras HAVE to be 100% uptime. | 20:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Period. | 20:33 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade, Anyway, how comes you made /something report it's not found :p. When I got the password, I expected the Nokia collection of porn only to find some useless testing files and now they appear to have gone :( :P | 20:33 |
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| X-Fade | qwerty12: I can't follow? | 20:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Especially with apt's ridiculously long timeout. | 20:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's fun waiting 20 minutes to find out the repos aren't up. | 20:35 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade, http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/something/ :) | 20:35 |
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| qwerty12 | (http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/ lists something btw) | 20:35 |
| qwerty12 | So I know that message is lying to me :P | 20:35 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: I don't have access to those machines. | 20:35 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, ok, my bad :/ | 20:35 |
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| X-Fade | That is on the other side of the big firewall ;) | 20:36 |
| qwerty12 | The great firewall of China? | 20:36 |
| wnd | GeneralAntilles, you could try to set timeout for the connections ;-) | 20:37 |
| Anunakin | I having a problem with my system clock... date comand works, but on controlpanel (maemo) this crach when I try change my time | 20:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | wnd, yes, but that doesn't help the end-users. | 20:37 |
| Anunakin | any hope? | 20:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Which are the people most impacted by that stupidity. | 20:37 |
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| wnd | hence the ";-)" | 20:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | While we're on the subject, can we make the sort-order less retarded on http://repository.maemo.org/dists/ ? | 20:37 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: You got to love that one, right? :P | 20:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just search for whatever I'm looking for when I'm browsing through there. | 20:38 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Put it on my TODO list ;) | 20:39 |
| X-Fade | Maybe I should have one on the wiki? | 20:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Sounds like a good plan. | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something I can point at is always useful for me. | 20:40 |
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| X-Fade | I'd have to bug somebody else to do it, but I'm good at that.. | 20:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You want a bug for it? | 20:41 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I seem to recall there actually is one? | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe | 20:41 |
| johnx | seriously though...how did the sort order end p like that...I can't even figure out what it's sorting on | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | I remember hrw mentioning it a few times. | 20:41 |
| X-Fade | date? | 20:42 |
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| wnd | inode | 20:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2403 | 20:42 |
| X-Fade | karma hunter ;) | 20:43 |
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| * GeneralAntilles wants that cheap N900 realbadyeah | 20:44 | |
| pekuja | is the gps on n810 kinda bad or is there some trick or required conditions to getting a connection to a satellite? | 20:44 |
| johnx | it's not the best | 20:44 |
| pekuja | gps status seems to be "searching" all the time | 20:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Improvements are coming in Diablo. | 20:45 |
| mtrlt | trick: stay inside an open area. | 20:45 |
| johnx | try to have a view of the southern sky when getting a fix | 20:45 |
| mtrlt | :D | 20:45 |
| mtrlt | i couldn't get a lock in a forest | 20:45 |
| pekuja | I played Diablo years ago and it's still not working! | 20:46 |
| johnx | :D | 20:46 |
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| pekuja | does cloudy weather hamper gps? | 20:47 |
| X-Fade | Yep | 20:47 |
| pekuja | that might be it then, I guess | 20:48 |
| pekuja | it's very cloudy | 20:48 |
| johnx | note: don't get lost when it's cloudy | 20:48 |
| pekuja | that would suck | 20:48 |
| gadgetoid | Pow | 20:48 |
| pekuja | especially if it rains | 20:48 |
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| gadgetoid | Numpty physics is so awesome | 20:49 |
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| kulve | bad weather shouldn't prevent getting the fix, just increase the first fix time a bit.. | 20:51 |
| X-Fade | pekuja: Under trees, between buildings. It can all hamper reception. | 20:51 |
| johnx | kulve, what if the situation is borderline already? | 20:51 |
| kulve | johnx: then you are ofc in trouble :) | 20:52 |
| johnx | right :) | 20:52 |
| kulve | buildings tend to be difficult as the reflect the signals.. | 20:52 |
| kulve | s,the,they, | 20:52 |
| summatusmentis | that might be why I couldn't get it to work last night | 20:53 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: cheap n900? | 20:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/500_fortunate_applicants.html | 20:53 |
| summatusmentis | oh the dev thing | 20:54 |
| summatusmentis | right | 20:54 |
| summatusmentis | unless it's got huge improvements, I'll probably stick w/ my n810 for a while | 20:54 |
| gadgetoid | N900!? | 20:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | gadgetoid, no info yet. | 20:55 |
| X-Fade | gadgetoid: Yeah, don't you have that? I have the N1210 already ;) | 20:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're basically 99% sure it'll be OMAP3430, but that's about all of it. | 20:55 |
| mgedmin | "The class midcom_user is not default constructible." | 20:55 |
| mgedmin | when you click on any name in that announcement | 20:55 |
| gadgetoid | Haha I can try bugging my pr contact about it | 20:56 |
| gadgetoid | But i should imagine they will keep mum | 20:56 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Are you? I would guess it is just a bit too early for that? | 20:56 |
| mgedmin | what's the price difference between OMAP3xxx and 2xxxx? | 20:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, well, what ELSE would it be. ;) | 20:56 |
| kulve | I've played a bit with 3430's and at least it can play videos decently ;) | 20:56 |
| kulve | -' | 20:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, they'll be about the same as the OMAP2s were in 2007. ;) | 20:56 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: OMAP2 still? | 20:57 |
| gadgetoid | I can barely find the cash to hold on to an n800 let along the next best thing | 20:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, no way. | 20:57 |
| mgedmin | why not? | 20:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | They do that, and I'm buying an iPhone. | 20:57 |
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| mgedmin | they might have a secret deal with apple | 20:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're at 3 OMAP2 tablets | 20:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | more than enough thank you very much | 20:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, what would be the motivation for sticking with OMAP2? | 20:58 |
| mgedmin | cost | 20:58 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Dual OMAP2? :) | 20:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pfft | 20:58 |
| mgedmin | binary compatibility of software | 20:58 |
| mgedmin | (existing software) | 20:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's an SoC, it doesn't work like that. | 20:58 |
| mgedmin | in both directions | 20:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, and loosing a shitton of existing customers to the competition? | 20:59 |
| johnx | mgedmin, won't be much of an issue for 90% of what's out there I would think | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | what competition? | 20:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/loosing/losing/ | 20:59 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: mgedmin, and losing a shitton of existing customers to the competition? | 20:59 |
| * X-Fade would love to have an OMAP3 tablet :) | 20:59 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Pandora, iPhone, etc | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | hmm | 20:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | "competition" | 20:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eee | 20:59 |
| * johnx *will* have an omap3 linux handheld *one way or the other* | 20:59 | |
| mgedmin | you could give the same argument for including a GSM chip in the next NIT | 20:59 |
| gadgetoid | Bleh iphone | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | "lose the competition for iPhone" | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | s/for/with | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | or multitouch | 21:00 |
| * mgedmin would love multitouch | 21:00 | |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, not upgrading the platform in 2 years is a bit different to not adding GSM or multitouch. | 21:00 |
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| mgedmin | mhm, maybe | 21:00 |
| mgedmin | but wait | 21:00 |
| mgedmin | the point of upgrading the platform is that you get something out of it | 21:00 |
| mgedmin | (unless you're a geek) | 21:00 |
| mgedmin | what would nokia get from omap3? | 21:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Are you paying ANY attention? | 21:01 |
| mgedmin | lower cost? faster hardware? 3d? | 21:01 |
| johnx | a "desktop-like browsing experience" and decent video playback | 21:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Way faster CPU, 3d, hardware video acceleration | 21:01 |
| * mgedmin is paying some | 21:01 | |
| gadgetoid | A higher number to put on the spec sheet | 21:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ and that | 21:01 |
| mgedmin | so, there are pluses | 21:01 |
| johnx | they could *really* start talking about the video playback | 21:01 |
| mgedmin | what are the minuses? | 21:01 |
| mgedmin | cost? power usage? | 21:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Power usage should be the same | 21:02 |
| * mgedmin wants to hear that OMAP3 is more power-efficient | 21:02 | |
| mgedmin | darn | 21:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | It is | 21:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | more power-efficient per cycle | 21:02 |
| mgedmin | I'd take better performance for the same battery life | 21:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's what you'll get. | 21:02 |
| mgedmin | iff nokia decides that makes sense from their business perspective | 21:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | It has the same consumption as the ARM11 in the OMAP2 at 2-3x the performance. | 21:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, we're in the same situation as we were with the OMAP1-to-OMAP2 upgrade. | 21:03 |
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| mgedmin | oh? was the 770 OMAP1? | 21:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Except this is even more significant than that. | 21:03 |
| * mgedmin doesn't remember | 21:03 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 21:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 21:03 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, wasn't the omap2 out in production devices significantly before the n800? | 21:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Your premise is broken, mgedmin. ;) | 21:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | johnx, 6-8 months ish | 21:04 |
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| * GeneralAntilles wants a source on that. | 21:04 | |
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| X-Fade | I read something today that OMAP3 is expected to show up in handsets at the end of 2008. So who knows. | 21:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The "tube" or whatever it is is supposed to be coming out soon, right? | 21:05 |
| mgedmin | nokia normally announces new tablets in january, doesn't it? | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, no | 21:05 |
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| gadgetoi1 | Woohoo thanks | 22:45 |
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| lardman | whey - sbc output | 22:46 |
| lardman | but not very good, broken up | 22:47 |
| lcuk | sorry lardman? can't hear you | 22:47 |
| summatusmentis | how easy is it to port an application to be hildonized? | 22:47 |
| KotCzarny | easy | 22:47 |
| KotCzarny | few lines of the code | 22:47 |
| keesj | yes only need to already be gtk ? | 22:48 |
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| lcuk | :D lardman im glad its working though, i saw earlier you said it was your headset that stopped you | 22:48 |
| Gadgetoid | aha | 22:48 |
| KotCzarny | for gtk you will have to add program container too | 22:48 |
| KotCzarny | hildon program :) | 22:48 |
| Gadgetoid | xchat much better | 22:48 |
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| lardman | lcuk: user error, seems that's a normal issue | 22:48 |
| KotCzarny | by i managed Xt app to show in task nav too | 22:49 |
| lcuk | heh lardman :D sounds like me cursing my machine for software not working before realising that i had cleaned the build down ;) | 22:50 |
| Gadgetoid | still no full screen but nice tiny text | 22:50 |
| lcuk | Gadgetoid, you mean xchat isnt fullscreen? | 22:51 |
| lardman | lcuk: slightly embarassing really | 22:51 |
| lcuk | try pressing the hardware button ;) | 22:51 |
| lardman | probably need more wine | 22:51 |
| lcuk | agreed, speaking of which ive got an alcopop geting warm downstairs | 22:51 |
| Gadgetoid | oh that's what that button does | 22:52 |
| summatusmentis | KotCzarny: I'm just wondering about thunderbird | 22:52 |
| KotCzarny | huh? | 22:52 |
| * Gadgetoid did not rtfm | 22:52 | |
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| summatusmentis | KotCzarny: regarding hildonizing apps | 23:00 |
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| summatusmentis | why are so many people stuck on the full size SD slots for n900 ? | 23:05 |
| summatusmentis | sd cards are bulky by comparison | 23:06 |
| johnx | full size sd is cheap and easy | 23:06 |
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| johnx | and also biggest, currently | 23:06 |
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| summatusmentis | yeah, but it takes a lot more to carry 3 SD cards around than it does 3 microsd's | 23:07 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, but it takes more to carry 2 minisd cards than 1 sd | 23:07 |
| summatusmentis | not by much | 23:07 |
| KotCzarny | but. | 23:08 |
| Gadgetoid | doh no airodump port | 23:08 |
| KotCzarny | if you have one big sd card you don't need to carry anything else | 23:08 |
| KotCzarny | or to swap them | 23:08 |
| summatusmentis | I feel like SD cards, while higher capacity, and more prevalent right now, are 'too big' :) | 23:08 |
| Gadgetoid | full sized sd doesn't work in my phone.. which is a pain | 23:09 |
| Gadgetoid | micro sd is just too small | 23:09 |
| KotCzarny | size doesn't matter | 23:10 |
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| KotCzarny | i just don't want to carry them in my pocket | 23:10 |
| johnx | mini sd is already dead though | 23:10 |
| KotCzarny | when i can have them in my device | 23:10 |
| johnx | and a lot of hackery things is made easier by having two card slots | 23:10 |
| johnx | such as root on sd while still keeping a spare "media" card | 23:11 |
| johnx | or loading pics from a camera | 23:11 |
| johnx | etc | 23:11 |
| Gadgetoid | like the good ol tapwave zodiac eh eh! | 23:11 |
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| Dekaritae | Yus, and more soon | 23:12 |
| summatusmentis | mini sd is, micro sd isn't necessarily | 23:12 |
| Dekaritae | Within a week or two will have SDHC driver for Zodiac (and others) | 23:12 |
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| johnx | a driver for palm os? | 23:13 |
| Dekaritae | Yes | 23:13 |
| summatusmentis | I did like the full SD slot in my Z, but if the micro sd slots make it easier for other gadgetry internally, I'd prefer them | 23:13 |
| Dekaritae | http://www.1src.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1049232 | 23:13 |
| johnx | I thought there were some issues that kept palm os from addressing more than 1GB or somesuch... | 23:13 |
| * johnx reads | 23:13 | |
| Gadgetoid | i sold one of my zods, havent touched the other in ages | 23:14 |
| Gadgetoid | so much for shiny palm goodness | 23:14 |
| Dekaritae | I have three, one working, one with broken backlight | 23:14 |
| Gadgetoid | and my sharp wizard is now a baby toy | 23:14 |
| Gadgetoid | even my 1 year old cant keep her mitts off gadgets | 23:15 |
| Dekaritae | Also have Treo 650, Treo 300, Handera 330, Cassiopeia A-10, HP 320LX, and MessagePad 2100 | 23:15 |
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| Dekaritae | Is like am SPCG member | 23:16 |
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| Gadgetoid | shinyness | 23:17 |
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| Gadgetoid | glad i have gadgetoid to help keep me abreast of my addiction | 23:18 |
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| Dekaritae | I buys crap on craigslist | 23:20 |
| johnx | I want to dig up an ibm z50 or psion 5mx or netbook to play with :D | 23:22 |
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| Dekaritae | I want plucker on my nokia | 23:24 |
| Gadgetoid | ugh the psion5mx is the greatest gadget i never owned | 23:24 |
| Dekaritae | fbreader is blows | 23:24 |
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| Gadgetoid | my other half almost bought one years ago | 23:24 |
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| johnx | I wonder what kind of RAM the z50 takes | 23:25 |
| johnx | I just found one... | 23:25 |
| summatusmentis | those things look ginormous | 23:25 |
| Gnuton | hi | 23:25 |
| Dekaritae | http://lasisa.seesaa.net/image/DSC_0005.JPG | 23:25 |
| Dekaritae | I have three | 23:25 |
| johnx | three psions? | 23:26 |
| johnx | working? | 23:26 |
| johnx | hi, Gnuton | 23:26 |
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| Gnuton | hey johnx | 23:26 |
| summatusmentis | yeah, huge. I'll stick to my Z and n810 | 23:26 |
| Dekaritae | From picture | 23:26 |
| summatusmentis | s/Z/Zs/ | 23:27 |
| infobot | summatusmentis meant: yeah, huge. I'll stick to my Zs and n810 | 23:27 |
| Dekaritae | Newton, Palm V, Treo 650 | 23:27 |
| Dekaritae | Palm V gave away | 23:27 |
| johnx | Dekaritae, you saw garnetVM for the n8x0, right? | 23:27 |
| Dekaritae | Yes. Not terrible useful | 23:27 |
| johnx | it can scale to full screen now at least | 23:28 |
| Dekaritae | No screen rotation and no use of high res | 23:28 |
| johnx | "no screen rotation" hmm? | 23:28 |
| Dekaritae | PalmOS garnet can handle 640x480 screen resolution native so why not use | 23:28 |
| johnx | you mean, can't display landscape modes? | 23:28 |
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| johnx | ah, I didn't know that | 23:28 |
| Dekaritae | Alphasmart Dana uses 640x160 resolution | 23:29 |
| Dekaritae | http://www.pencomputing.com/palm/Pen47/danahands.jpg | 23:29 |
| johnx | wow | 23:30 |
| johnx | just wow | 23:30 |
| johnx | do most apps cope with that ok? | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | heh.. | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | small sfcreen | 23:30 |
| Dekaritae | Apps that don't run square | 23:30 |
| Dekaritae | http://www.pencomputing.com/palm/Pen47/dana.jpg | 23:30 |
| johnx | heh | 23:31 |
| johnx | that's probably why they didn't bother in garnet vm | 23:31 |
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| Dekaritae | Would kill for version OS5 hires | 23:31 |
| Dekaritae | Really. Have crossbow | 23:31 |
| KotCzarny | relative to device size, of course | 23:31 |
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| johnx | hmm...looks like psions don't have much support in 2.6 :/ | 23:33 |
| lardman | bbiam, keyboard playing silly buggers again | 23:34 |
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| summatusmentis | can I ask why anyone would want a psion anymore? | 23:34 |
| johnx | for fun | 23:34 |
| johnx | to play around and hack on | 23:34 |
| johnx | maybe for ssh/irc/reading | 23:34 |
| Dekaritae | EeeOS has nice UI for 800x480 screen, and boot image < 400 MB | 23:34 |
| johnx | mpd client | 23:34 |
| Dekaritae | Also is Debian | 23:34 |
| Dekaritae | http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg171/sg24hrs/EeePLinux-Shutdown.jpg | 23:35 |
| Gadgetoid | psion is awesome | 23:35 |
| johnx | Dekaritae, hmm? | 23:36 |
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| johnx | looks nice though | 23:36 |
| Dekaritae | Ponderings | 23:36 |
| johnx | most of the custom stuff should make for a straight recompile for the n800 | 23:37 |
| Dekaritae | Why on nokias is there no way to open the apps menu with hardware key | 23:37 |
| johnx | it's the menu button | 23:37 |
| Dekaritae | No | 23:37 |
| johnx | it has a picture of a menu | 23:37 |
| johnx | hmm? | 23:37 |
| summatusmentis | not the 'start' menu | 23:37 |
| johnx | ah, right | 23:38 |
| johnx | apps menu not app's menu :) | 23:38 |
| johnx | I read that wrong | 23:38 |
| summatusmentis | lol | 23:38 |
| johnx | I just thumb it anyways | 23:38 |
| Dekaritae | This is grand UI flaw | 23:39 |
| summatusmentis | I thumb it too | 23:39 |
| summatusmentis | Dekaritae: no it's not, it's really nice... just use your thumbs | 23:39 |
| * lcuk fingers it | 23:39 | |
| summatusmentis | hawt | 23:39 |
| Dekaritae | I can navigate menu with pad. And launch app from menu with pad. But not open menu | 23:40 |
| lcuk | its on the wrong side for thumb use | 23:40 |
| Dekaritae | You have thumb on wrong side | 23:40 |
| johnx | the icon is like 10mm away from the d-pad... | 23:40 |
| lcuk | well im left handed | 23:40 |
| Dekaritae | I am usually hold nokia with right hand | 23:40 |
| summatusmentis | I hold it with both hands | 23:41 |
| lcuk | then surely its a finger job than thumb | 23:41 |
| Dekaritae | effik awkward to launch | 23:41 |
| johnx | so you can reach the d-pad but not 1cm over to the icon? | 23:41 |
| summatusmentis | I would've loved to hold my Zaurus w/ both hands, but the stupid wifi card kept jabbing my palm | 23:41 |
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| Dekaritae | I cannot thumb. The icons are too small | 23:42 |
| summatusmentis | your thumbs must be huge | 23:42 |
| Dekaritae | Only small much | 23:43 |
| Dekaritae | Stupid Canola | 23:43 |
| johnx | thumb app menu icon, then use d-pad | 23:43 |
| johnx | and yes, a couple more hardware buttons would be great | 23:44 |
| lcuk | not intuitive enough | 23:44 |
| lcuk | just get better menu system ;) | 23:44 |
| lcuk | big fat buttons visible from orbit for those that want an easy ride | 23:44 |
| johnx | heh...getting bigger plans lcuk? | 23:44 |
| summatusmentis | the only hardware buttons I use are d-pad, lock slider, and power | 23:45 |
| summatusmentis | I wish there was a scroll hardware button though | 23:45 |
| lcuk | you've seen the vid, the thing that just gets bypassed is how quickly i navigated different areas of the system ;) | 23:45 |
| johnx | I use back arrow all the time | 23:45 |
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| summatusmentis | see, when I'm using my n810, I've got the keyboard out, and forget about the two hardware buttons on the faceplate | 23:46 |
| lcuk | i hate havign it open and having to reach around to press fullscreen or scroll - its like old pcs where you had to scurry round the back to find a usb slot | 23:47 |
| johnx | *cough*n800*cough* | 23:47 |
| Gadgetoid | haha | 23:47 |
| johnx | sorry, coming down with a cold I guess | 23:47 |
| lcuk | :D | 23:47 |
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| Gadgetoid | the n810 isnt much of an upgrade | 23:48 |
| Gadgetoid | mushy nasty horrible keyboard added....woohoo | 23:48 |
| lcuk | sideways step to give the punters who want sliughtly different feature set what they want. aint that what nokia does with all its devices? | 23:49 |
| wiza | I didn't even consider nxxx before keyboard | 23:49 |
| wiza | i think it's ok | 23:49 |
| lcuk | Gadgetoid, it was the keyboard which made me get this - i didnt contemplate an 800 because i cant type and work at the same time | 23:49 |
| lcuk | oooh wiza, scary | 23:49 |
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| lcuk | and i have a bluetooth keyboard for 810 but when im not at home the keyboard is essential | 23:50 |
| Gadgetoid | its okay to type on when lying the device flat | 23:50 |
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| Gadgetoid | but with thumbs argh | 23:51 |
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| lcuk | i type on my knee with it whilst im out havin a cig at work | 23:51 |
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| summatusmentis | honestly, I *need* a thumboard | 23:51 |
| wiza | I travel alot on my motorbike so basically it's mostly for checking email, im, some web, navigation | 23:51 |
| wiza | I can leave my laptop at home for short trips | 23:51 |
| Gadgetoid | but i will be stuck with the 800 if i buy one anyway | 23:51 |
| Gadgetoid | maybe i am having bad keyboarding experiences to justify that | 23:52 |
| lcuk | Gadgetoid, i heartily recommend a decent bt keyboard :) the OSK is really good on this device, but you miss so much action when its up | 23:52 |
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| Gadgetoid | i have an apple one that works nicely | 23:52 |
| lcuk | small thin? | 23:53 |
| lcuk | or big dopey? | 23:53 |
| Gadgetoid | aye.. enough | 23:53 |
| Gadgetoid | not pocket sized of course | 23:53 |
| Gadgetoid | but i would not use the keyboard away from home anyway | 23:53 |
| lcuk | http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=810cratelaptopmodetc6.jpg | 23:53 |
| Gadgetoid | already got one on my htc kaiser | 23:54 |
| RST38h | lcuk: A laptop! | 23:55 |
| lcuk | with 2 keyboards! double productivity | 23:55 |
| * lcuk just realised that | 23:55 | |
| RST38h | high quality case made of natural wood | 23:55 |
| Gadgetoid | using irc with the apple keyboard is positively a pleasure | 23:56 |
| Gadgetoid | the stand in the n810 is excellent | 23:56 |
| lcuk | :) indeed, i couldnt draw on the screen with it raised up, not the screen is flush to the surface and my wrist rests naturally like drawing on paper | 23:56 |
| summatusmentis | I love apple keyboards | 23:57 |
| lcuk | the apple keys feel massive | 23:57 |
| pH5 | lcuk: the only thing I'm missing in that picture is a big fresnel lens in front of the screen :D | 23:57 |
| lcuk | heh ph5 - would it be clear enough ;) ? | 23:58 |
| * lcuk has only seen blurry lense :( | 23:58 | |
| lcuk | s | 23:58 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, especially magnifying rgb pixels | 23:59 |
| pH5 | lcuk: unlikely, but that would be so brazil | 23:59 |
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