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| * lardman can luckily type with his toes ;p | 00:32 | |
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| RST38h | So, any bets on whether the $199 iPhone will be the new RAZR? =) | 00:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Doubtful | 00:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | RAZR's were free | 00:38 |
| RST38h | RAZR also started at $200 | 00:39 |
| RST38h | Even in the US, if I remember correctly | 00:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't think so | 00:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was higher than that initially. | 00:40 |
| lcuk | im tempted to think it will be a great gaming system, but lack of buttons means its original hook only has so many uses (even the wii mote has a dpad) | 00:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | How can it be a great gaming system with no buttons? O_o | 00:40 |
| lcuk | tilt | 00:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hours upon hours of marble madness? | 00:40 |
| RST38h | N810 also has no buttons | 00:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | It has a keyboard | 00:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | All the buttons in the world | 00:41 |
| RST38h | You can't play with that keyboard - it is terribly balanced and the dpad sucks | 00:41 |
| lcuk | 51 usable buttons | 00:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, I wouldn't call it a great gaming machine, either. :P | 00:41 |
| lcuk | unless i miscounted | 00:42 |
| lcuk | lardman, tsk tsk at errors. F- | 00:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can I talk some people into working through these articles? http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Midgard_wiki | 00:43 |
| MangoFusion | razr was complete shit developer-wise compared to the iphone | 00:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get the syntax inline with mediawiki, update and revise, etc. | 00:43 |
| RST38h | Well, Razr was never supposed to be developed for | 00:43 |
| MangoFusion | exactly ;) | 00:43 |
| RST38h | iPhone also was never supposed to be developed for though | 00:44 |
| MangoFusion | well they did start off with saying "you can write stuff for the web browser" | 00:44 |
| MangoFusion | which if you compare it with the razr's, well... enough said ;) | 00:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The iPhone isn't shitty enough to be the next RAZR | 00:45 |
| RST38h | You can't write stuff for the web browser | 00:48 |
| RST38h | Hey, RAZR became RAZR on the basis of its design | 00:48 |
| RST38h | It was sturdid, looked cool for the time, and did the job | 00:48 |
| pupnik | ARRRGH | 00:49 |
| KotCzarny | hi pupnik | 00:50 |
| pupnik | which part of the n8x0 charger plug is positive? inside or outside? | 00:50 |
| RST38h | heheh | 00:50 |
| pupnik | greets | 00:50 |
| KotCzarny | probably inside | 00:50 |
| RST38h | no little picture on the power supply? | 00:50 |
| KotCzarny | but use a voltimeter | 00:50 |
| KotCzarny | rst: nope | 00:50 |
| RST38h | or an led+resistor | 00:50 |
| KotCzarny | it's NOKIA | 00:50 |
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| pupnik | my cable ripped off | 00:50 |
| pupnik | i can't measure it | 00:51 |
| RST38h | lemme check | 00:51 |
| pupnik | THANK YOU! | 00:51 |
| KotCzarny | they don't include the picture even on phone chargers | 00:51 |
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| RST38h | nope, no picture =( | 00:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody have an opinion on whether MAG should go on the front page under Community here? http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page | 00:52 |
| KotCzarny | k, i'll get a voltimeter | 00:52 |
| RST38h | I recently recieved a 'broken' iRiver H120 from my brother. He had been charging it with a Nokia charger. | 00:53 |
| RST38h | I've looked into the spec of the Nokia charger and the polarity is the same as iRiver charger (center positive). | 00:53 |
| RST38h | The difference is the voltage and current, both less than the proper charger. | 00:53 |
| RST38h | here | 00:53 |
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| pupnik | ok | 00:54 |
| pupnik | looking to verify that tho - hopefully kotc finds his meter | 00:54 |
| * lcuk wonders how many other commercial apps there are out there | 00:54 | |
| GeneralAntilles | In general? Lots. :P | 00:54 |
| RST38h | for Maemo? | 00:54 |
| lcuk | yer | 00:54 |
| RST38h | not a lot | 00:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | About 4 | 00:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe 3 | 00:55 |
| RST38h | but a lot of academic stuff - maemo makes a very good research platform | 00:55 |
| RST38h | just look at your own work =) | 00:55 |
| lcuk | yes and thats what is weighing heavily on my mind, im thinking beyond this platform | 00:55 |
| RST38h | there isn'tmuch beyond this platform for now | 00:56 |
| lcuk | you must have your eyes closed then :) | 00:56 |
| RST38h | you will have to wait for 6-12 months until other touch-based devices start appearing | 00:56 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Well, let us see what is available | 00:56 |
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| RST38h | There is ASUS EEEh and its clones. These are normal laptops, just small ones | 00:57 |
| RST38h | Nothing to touch in general | 00:57 |
| RST38h | There is iPhone. But its development is kinda closed. | 00:57 |
| lcuk | what about the whole smart phone devices? | 00:57 |
| lcuk | full s60 stack etc | 00:58 |
| RST38h | There is Moblin, but it only works on the samsung UMPC, a beast | 00:58 |
| RST38h | Ok, I was going to get to those in a moment | 00:58 |
| lcuk | the "other" n series devices which get all the love | 00:58 |
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| RST38h | Let us get WinMobile out of the way first mostly because developing for it is torture | 00:58 |
| RST38h | We have got S60 and UIQ devices left | 00:59 |
| lcuk | i know that - i have done it | 00:59 |
| RST38h | Current S60 devices have no touch screen | 00:59 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 00:59 |
| KotCzarny | + inside | 00:59 |
| RST38h | Which leaves you with UIQ devices. UIQ actually has a very nice SDK | 00:59 |
| KotCzarny | - on the outside | 00:59 |
| KotCzarny | 6.24V | 00:59 |
| RST38h | Better than S60 | 00:59 |
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| RST38h | Too bad most UIQ firmwares are buggy like hell and SE does not try marketing its UIQ devices well enough | 01:00 |
| pupnik | thanks a lot KotCzarny | 01:00 |
| * KotCzarny nods | 01:01 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: So, back to square one - unless you want to try your luck with a UIQ phone, have to wait | 01:01 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, you are aware you should keep nokia power supplies away from body parts :P its much simpler to be refreshed by a drink | 01:01 |
| lcuk | i never left square one, i was musing about other platforms, you've added a couple of specifics but i was thinking in general | 01:02 |
| lcuk | we have had touch devices now for years | 01:03 |
| lcuk | they are sold every day and software has to be written for them - things like nav systems etc | 01:03 |
| lcuk | theres all the archos devices and other media players.. | 01:04 |
| KotCzarny | archos.. *shrugs* | 01:05 |
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| KotCzarny | closed as hell | 01:05 |
| lcuk | we are certainly not an island - im just wondering why we have little commercial software here is all :) | 01:05 |
| lardman | because it can be done with open source | 01:05 |
| lardman | and because the community are savvy enough to do it if they want it | 01:05 |
| lcuk | but commercial != closed source | 01:06 |
| lardman | if the reach of the device broadens, then we may see commercial as they can't be bothered/are not able | 01:06 |
| lardman | lcuk: go back to savvy, if it's open, it will be compiled, we don't yet need hands holding | 01:06 |
| lcuk | we dont, but users do | 01:07 |
| lardman | even the users are pretty technologically minded | 01:07 |
| lcuk | i could never see my missus using apt or knowing about repos and stuff - thats why the .install files work | 01:08 |
| lardman | of course, they are great | 01:08 |
| lcuk | im only pondering cos i saw a single piece of commercial closed sw ;) | 01:08 |
| lardman | they save time, which is a wonderful thing in my book | 01:08 |
| lardman | lcuk: what was that? Wifi stuff? | 01:08 |
| lcuk | yer - like me, i bought this device cos i needed something to get my teeth into :) | 01:09 |
| lcuk | actually, it might not even have been commercial - it was closed lol but from a symbian developer | 01:09 |
| RST38h | why no commercial software for tablets? | 01:10 |
| lcuk | i went reading round their site and seeing what they do, and lots of sw is like pda style - you buy what you need to save time | 01:10 |
| RST38h | well, because there is no market: the userbase is small | 01:10 |
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| lardman | and the userbase doens't want commercial | 01:11 |
| lcuk | but what about maps? | 01:11 |
| * RST38h considered releasing his emulators on Maemo for a fee but decided against it | 01:11 | |
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| lcuk | i know we have routed round the problem with maemo-mapper, but it still exists and the buy now wasnt put there for nothing | 01:11 |
| pupnik | wow, with my different 5.0 v source, the n810 boots when i plug it in, then it makes a sad beep and says "not charging" | 01:11 |
| RST38h | Not enough potential buyers to justify it, better use the platform to debug new features | 01:12 |
| lardman | lcuk: maps is not a big thing for me, the osm stuff is pretty good | 01:12 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Well, the builtin mapping app is a lemon | 01:12 |
| lcuk | i could have done with maemomapper in germany ;) | 01:12 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Just ignore it, easier this way | 01:12 |
| pupnik | how are your feet healing lcuk? | 01:13 |
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| lcuk | very well thanks pupnik :) though i now have urges to randomly wander the streets | 01:13 |
| lardman | lcuk: before the days of agsp, so would have taken you as long to get a lock as to trawl every bar & restaurant looking for us ;) | 01:13 |
| lardman | s/agsp/agps | 01:13 |
| RST38h | As to general map availability, there are maps from commercial packages available on the net, just need to parse them | 01:13 |
| RST38h | lcuk: what happened with your feet? =) | 01:13 |
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| lcuk | shoes at end of life | 01:14 |
| RST38h | ah | 01:14 |
| lcuk | newish as well, only a couple of months old | 01:14 |
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| RST38h | all right, sleep | 01:16 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: try 6.24V source? | 01:16 |
| lcuk | gnite rst | 01:16 |
| lardman | aaargh, why are my values changing enroute from DSP to ARM? | 01:16 |
| KotCzarny | or maybe this charger does some magic | 01:16 |
| RST38h | two more work days and a long weekend | 01:16 |
| KotCzarny | lardman: endiannes? | 01:16 |
| lardman | KotCzarny: nah, dealing with 16bit values, plus the values coming out don't look like that | 01:17 |
| lcuk | what are you doing to move the data? writing to normal memory from your onchip dsp buffer? | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | undocumented ops? | 01:17 |
| pupnik | KotCzarny: that's what you measured? | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: yeah | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | but may be 5V under load etc | 01:18 |
| pupnik | Cause i have 5.7 sitting here, measures 6.15 without load | 01:18 |
| lardman | probably an error on my part, but I can't see it | 01:18 |
| pupnik | the 5.0 must have been too low | 01:18 |
| pupnik | thanks | 01:18 |
| pupnik | bbl | 01:18 |
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| KotCzarny | more blood! | 01:38 |
| Mousey | uh | 01:39 |
| lardman | I can't see it, I feel like crying | 01:39 |
| lardman | or beating my computer to a pulp :) | 01:39 |
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| * Mousey senses windows users | 01:40 | |
| lardman | Mousey: feels like that, but no, it's a dsp | 01:40 |
| Mousey | the sound kind? | 01:40 |
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| Mousey | or just random signals from outer space | 01:41 |
| lardman | well whatever you give it really, but in this case yes | 01:41 |
| lardman | sbc to be exact | 01:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | The mediawiki help pages pretty much suck ass. | 01:41 |
| * Mousey skims the scrollback and decides he's teh wrong mouse for the job | 01:41 | |
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| CrashandDie | Why is it I can't find x-chat for OS2008 ??? | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ | 01:56 |
| CrashandDie | And when the hell is diablo going to be released ? | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | When it's ready. | 01:56 |
| CrashandDie | yeah, that, I know | 01:56 |
| CrashandDie | but that's a bit like saying "After rain there will be sunshine" | 01:57 |
| shapr | Has anyone done anything to get the NITs and the OLPC XO to work together at all? | 01:57 |
| CrashandDie | Just say "we don't know" | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | We do know, though, and that answer is "when it's ready" | 01:57 |
| CrashandDie | thanks for the link though | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which will be sometime within the next 2 weeks to 2 months | 01:57 |
| CrashandDie | well that's an answer | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~lart mediawiki | 01:58 |
| * infobot flings poo at mediawiki | 01:58 | |
| CrashandDie | "Between this and september"... At least that gives some kind of timeframe | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks, infobot! | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | August at the outside | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not September | 01:59 |
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| lardman | night all | 02:00 |
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| Anunakin | Any using diablo? | 02:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yo | 02:18 |
| rm_you | Any using OmniWeb? | 02:20 |
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| CrashandDie | GeneralAntilles, that a remix between yes and no ? | 02:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yo, rm_you! :P | 02:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Something of an Americanism I guess | 02:23 |
| rm_you | Yo yo, sup foo? | 02:23 |
| rm_you | :P | 02:23 |
| rm_you | Gangsta | 02:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not really | 02:23 |
| rm_you | lool | 02:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though it's used in that context | 02:23 |
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| acydlord | G'day folks | 02:27 |
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| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: did you hear anything about Snow Leopard? | 02:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Only that it's the new codename | 02:38 |
| timelyx | be careful around Finns | 02:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haven't gotten around to paying attention to the WWDC fallout. | 02:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, timelyx. | 02:38 |
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| rm_you | timelyx: going to work today? :P err... tomorrow I guess techinically? :P | 02:40 |
| acydlord | oh dear, i thought this would be one of the few safe places from all the wwdc talk | 02:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, as good a summary as any: http://www.macrumors.com/2008/06/09/mac-os-x-snow-leopard-to-focus-on-performance-quality/ | 02:42 |
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| timelyx | rm_you: it's 2:45am | 02:44 |
| timelyx | so today technically | 02:44 |
| timelyx | and as long as i wake up, yeah i suppose so | 02:44 |
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| rm_you | timelyx: lol | 02:47 |
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| zen__ | hi | 02:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping | 02:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, just went ahead and filed an enhancement request. | 02:58 |
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| Anunakin | GeneralAntilles: to install diablo... is only change chinnok to diablo on apt config files and use apt-get upgrade? | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Figure out the repository password, change the entry in the sources list to Diablo, and follow these steps: http://mariusv.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/a-pleasant-surprise/ | 03:00 |
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| Anunakin | ok | 03:06 |
| Anunakin | thanks | 03:06 |
| Anunakin | I go try it | 03:07 |
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| dick-richardson | no n810 yet :( | 03:30 |
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| GAN800 | dick-richardson, you could make a paper N810 to act as a proxy to dull the pain while you wait. :P | 03:32 |
| Navi | Woo | 03:33 |
| dick-richardson | I'm about that desperate | 03:33 |
| dick-richardson | I carry around the warranty repair and check the status frequently | 03:34 |
| GAN800 | Naw, what are you gonna remember not to do after you get your next tablet. ;) | 03:34 |
| GAN800 | s/Naw/Now/ | 03:34 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: Now, what are you gonna remember not to do after you get your next tablet. ;) | 03:34 |
| dick-richardson | sell this one...right there with ya | 03:34 |
| GAN800 | Backup tablets ftw! :D | 03:35 |
| dick-richardson | i wish woot.com would get one | 03:36 |
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| dick-richardson | I could get a 770 for cheap | 03:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | I used mine as couch/nightstand IRC/web/ebook machines. | 03:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, and Gizmo handsets. | 03:38 |
| dick-richardson | I will just forget that I sold my n800 for the same amount I'm buying a 770 | 03:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | The 770 is a neat machine. | 03:40 |
| KotCzarny | then it's not cheap | 03:40 |
| KotCzarny | how much it was? | 03:40 |
| dick-richardson | $100 | 03:40 |
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| KotCzarny | o.o | 03:41 |
| KotCzarny | dirt cheap. | 03:41 |
| KotCzarny | you could easily reach 200$ | 03:41 |
| dick-richardson | we're not going to focus on that :P | 03:41 |
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| KotCzarny | let me know when you will be selling that n810 | 03:41 |
| * KotCzarny grins | 03:41 | |
| timelyx | heh | 03:42 |
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| dick-richardson | it'll go on sale 2 product cycles away | 03:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:45 |
| dick-richardson | is diablo going to be released with a hardware platform, or just a firmware upgrade for existing machines? | 03:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | With the N810W | 03:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Around that time, presumably, anyway. | 03:46 |
| KotCzarny | backward compatible though | 03:46 |
| KotCzarny | so it's for n8x0 | 03:46 |
| dick-richardson | I'd thought it was already being sold | 03:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | July, probably. | 03:46 |
| rm_you | n810W!? | 03:47 |
| rm_you | srsly?! | 03:47 |
| dick-richardson | wimax | 03:47 |
| * rm_you is SOOOO out of the loop | 03:47 | |
| rm_you | yeah | 03:47 |
| rm_you | didnt know that was comin round till the next major revision | 03:48 |
| KotCzarny | chinook is 4.0.1, diablo is 4.1 | 03:50 |
| KotCzarny | so it's not that major | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, fail. | 03:50 |
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| summatusmentis | rm_you: where have you been? | 03:55 |
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| pupnik | this fnordianslip person could be interesting | 04:20 |
| shapr | fnord | 04:20 |
| summatusmentis | how many of you are buying the n810w? | 04:21 |
| shapr | I won't, it doesn't support any of the unlicensed WiMAX frequencies. | 04:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | I have 3g. :P | 04:22 |
| pupnik | you're a great maemo person GeneralAntilles | 04:24 |
| pupnik | why do you care about the tablets | 04:24 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: yeah sure, rub it in | 04:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Why? Hrm. I guess because it's really the perfect handheld device for me. | 04:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like the community, I like the product | 04:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd like to see them really become something great. | 04:25 |
| shapr | And it distracts him from tremulous. | 04:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 04:25 |
| pupnik | do you care about freedom from tyranny? | 04:25 |
| summatusmentis | w00t tyranny! | 04:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, DUH. :P But that's not a huge factor in my caring about the tablets. | 04:26 |
| pupnik | it is for me | 04:26 |
| pupnik | helping linux into the pocket is pretty important | 04:26 |
| summatusmentis | "is that a linux in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?" | 04:27 |
| pupnik | do you have any idea what kind of terminator style future is in store for us? | 04:27 |
| summatusmentis | I'm hoping for it | 04:27 |
| pupnik | summatusmentis: do you suck cock for a living too? | 04:27 |
| summatusmentis | only if I'm paid well enough | 04:27 |
| summatusmentis | I do have standards you know | 04:27 |
| acydlord | hmm, i wonder how long it will take to download the dev environment on evdo | 04:28 |
| pupnik | no you've said enough summatusmentis | 04:28 |
| pupnik | plonked | 04:28 |
| summatusmentis | plonked? | 04:28 |
| summatusmentis | acydlord: who's your ev-do provider? | 04:28 |
| acydlord | sprint | 04:28 |
| summatusmentis | any chance you're in the western MN area? | 04:28 |
| acydlord | but unfortunately due to crummy drivers my evdo speed is usually in the upper 300s | 04:29 |
| summatusmentis | or mid-northern maine area? | 04:29 |
| acydlord | nah, im in the southwest, arizona to be specific | 04:29 |
| summatusmentis | that's useless to me :) | 04:29 |
| * summatusmentis is hoping to go Sprint SERO soon | 04:29 | |
| acydlord | i'm hoping to go with xohm here in a few months | 04:30 |
| summatusmentis | I'm always so behind the times | 04:31 |
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| acydlord | anyone know the size of the maemo SDK? | 04:36 |
| KotCzarny | ~500-1500mb | 04:37 |
| KotCzarny | depending on how many packages you additionally install | 04:37 |
| acydlord | ouch, that shalnt be fun on the evdo | 04:37 |
| acydlord | mayhaps i'll pilfer someone's wifi to get it | 04:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:38 |
| KotCzarny | well, that's installed size | 04:38 |
| KotCzarny | download is still ~300-500mb | 04:38 |
| acydlord | ahh | 04:38 |
| acydlord | thats not too terribly bad | 04:38 |
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| acydlord | i've got 420k down at the moment | 04:40 |
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| acydlord | unfortunately my phone's dun connection doesnt want to work with my one running linux box | 04:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The iPhone thread makes me laugh | 04:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | All those old itT trolls are screaming out of the woodwork for it. | 04:44 |
| ido-- | where's minisip? | 04:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ido--, use rtcomm? | 04:45 |
| ido-- | for the nokia | 04:45 |
| ido-- | does it work on the n770? | 04:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you're using a hacker edition. | 04:47 |
| ido-- | i am | 04:48 |
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| christefano | is anyone here on the maemo.com web team? | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo.org | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | and, yes, X-Fade | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | but he's sleeping | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | christefano, if you have a bug or a specific feature request, please see bugs.maemo.org | 05:07 |
| christefano | right, maemo.org. I'll see bugs.maemo.org, thanks | 05:07 |
| christefano | okay, the bug isn't listed. it's security related, so I'll talk to X-Fade when I see him. | 05:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | christefano, he's usually available around 0700-1500 UTC | 05:11 |
| christefano | sounds good. thanks, GeneralAntilles | 05:11 |
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| summatusmentis | does anyone know if there's a way to re-size partitons on the internal sd card in a n810? | 05:28 |
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| zerosum | is there any way to copy paragraphs while using the browser? | 05:31 |
| zerosum | if I tap twice with stylus it highlights a single word | 05:32 |
| zerosum | but I want to copy a whole paragraph | 05:32 |
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| KotCzarny | summa: just use usb cable | 05:33 |
| KotCzarny | and some partition magic | 05:33 |
| KotCzarny | (i assume mswin) | 05:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | zerosum, tap, tap-drag | 05:35 |
| zerosum | thx | 05:35 |
| summatusmentis | oh crap! | 05:36 |
| summatusmentis | I think I just deleted everything off of my n810 | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 05:38 |
| summatusmentis | no, you don't even know | 05:38 |
| KotCzarny | btw. you should n810 partition table if you haven't done before | 05:38 |
| summatusmentis | I installed util-linux, and apt-get removed everything | 05:38 |
| summatusmentis | I should what? | 05:38 |
| KotCzarny | factory formatted at the wrong size | 05:39 |
| KotCzarny | so corruption is inevitable sooner or later | 05:39 |
| KotCzarny | so you should backup data from sd, remove partition table, create again, format, restore data | 05:40 |
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| zerosum | if im in the terminal window how do i mount the removable card? | 05:40 |
| summatusmentis | well, I'm reflashing anyway, I'm just gonna delete everything :) | 05:41 |
| KotCzarny | summa, there should be thread about it on itt | 05:41 |
| summatusmentis | thanks, I'll look into it, after I can fix the white screen on my n810 :) | 05:42 |
| zerosum | any one know how to switch to the removable card in the terminal window? | 05:44 |
| KotCzarny | just open/close it's door | 05:45 |
| zerosum | ha | 05:45 |
| zerosum | i mean im on the prompt | 05:46 |
| zerosum | and i want to mount the card | 05:46 |
| zerosum | so that i can run a file that is on it | 05:46 |
| KotCzarny | mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/mmc2 | 05:46 |
| KotCzarny | or something | 05:46 |
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| summatusmentis | god... i forgot houw unusable the normal echo theme is | 06:01 |
| KotCzarny | go nuvoclear | 06:01 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:01 |
| GAN800 | you're kidding, right? | 06:01 |
| summatusmentis | I used to use echowb, then I deleted everything | 06:01 |
| GAN800 | Echo is fantastic. | 06:01 |
| summatusmentis | I need the wide scroll bars | 06:02 |
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| GAN800 | It's lightyears ahead of all the other previous default themes | 06:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, I see. | 06:02 |
| summatusmentis | :-D | 06:05 |
| KotCzarny | btw. you can modify any them to your liking.. | 06:06 |
| summatusmentis | I know... I don't care that much about my theme, I just need the wide scroll bars | 06:06 |
| summatusmentis | the thread on itt about making wide scrollbars in every theme, just gives you double scroll bars in the default echo theme | 06:07 |
| KotCzarny | with a single hack you can make it apply to any theme | 06:08 |
| KotCzarny | ie. save your changes to /home/user/.gtkrc-2.0 | 06:08 |
| summatusmentis | yeah, I did that | 06:08 |
| KotCzarny | then include it in the theme | 06:08 |
| summatusmentis | what's the package/applet name for the clock in the status-bar? | 06:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | large statusbar clock? | 06:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | statusbar clock? | 06:11 |
| summatusmentis | large, that's what it was | 06:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Has he pushed that to Extras yet? | 06:12 |
| summatusmentis | yep :) | 06:12 |
| summatusmentis | penguinbait's install-tools will clone my root to sd right? | 06:16 |
| manyoso | does anyone know how to get qemu-arm-eabi working for CHINOOK_ARMEL? | 06:18 |
| manyoso | i tried following the instructions at: http://maemogeek.blogspot.com/2007/11/installing-qemu-arm-eabi-patch-into.html | 06:18 |
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| manyoso | but then running a binary it errors out saying it can not load /usr/lib/libfakeroot/libfakeroot-tcp.so.0 | 06:19 |
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| gentooer | anyone know where i can find a 2.2007.51-3 kernel with the 48mhz SD high speed mod? | 06:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/ | 06:52 |
| gentooer | thank you | 06:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | More specifically, http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/kernel-2.2007.50-2-custom.tar.gz | 06:53 |
| gentooer | GeneralAntilles, would i miss anything from downgrading to 50-2 from 51-3? | 06:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | There is no 51-3 kernel. | 06:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | 51-3 is just a NOLO upgrade. | 06:55 |
| gentooer | what's NOLO? | 06:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | The bootloader | 06:55 |
| summatusmentis | Non obtrusive loser offloader | 06:55 |
| gentooer | oh ok thank you | 06:56 |
| summatusmentis | (ignore me, I'm useless :-D) | 06:56 |
| gentooer | i figured :) | 06:56 |
| summatusmentis | ouch... :D | 06:57 |
| summatusmentis | oh ffs, why won't you connect to wireless? | 06:57 |
| summatusmentis | erm... wrong tab | 06:57 |
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| summatusmentis | is there a DS emulator for maemo? | 07:18 |
| johnx | nope...there is not a good ds emu for the PC, AFAIK | 07:19 |
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| summatusmentis | what about GBA? | 07:21 |
| summatusmentis | oh wait... vga | 07:24 |
| summatusmentis | cgba | 07:24 |
| summatusmentis | vgba* | 07:24 |
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| lopz | night | 07:26 |
| Navi | johnx, the PC emulators are all right | 07:28 |
| summatusmentis | Navi: what do you use on PC? | 07:32 |
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| Navi | http://www.icontrolpad.com/ | 07:41 |
| Navi | lol | 07:41 |
| KotCzarny | mmm | 07:42 |
| KotCzarny | nice idea | 07:42 |
| KotCzarny | could include more buttons though | 07:42 |
| KotCzarny | but dpad sucks | 07:43 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, i have a libillumination0 showing up in the app manager continually, even tho i recently updated it... | 07:55 |
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| Dekaritae | The screen on my N800 is flashing black | 08:12 |
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| angel | hey i am trying to get the helloworld running on xephyr and somehow the instructions on the maemo site are not helping.. | 08:18 |
| angel | can anyone help? | 08:18 |
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| RST38h | yawn | 08:35 |
| RST38h | angel: in which way are instructions on the maemo site not helping? | 08:35 |
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| RST38h | oh well | 08:37 |
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| hrw | morning | 09:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hi, hrw. | 09:28 |
| kimitake | Hi, I just tried to create e2fs to prepare booting from MMC, so tried to install e2fsprogs, but apt-get shows "e2fsprogs is not available" | 09:28 |
| kimitake | How can I create e2fs? | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | enable extras? | 09:28 |
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| hrw | extras do not have it | 09:29 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 09:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | SDK repo | 09:29 |
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| KotCzarny | could be | 09:29 |
| KotCzarny | formatting on pc will work too | 09:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:30 |
| KotCzarny | (via reader or via usb) | 09:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, it might be useful to stick the repository name somewhere in all that whitespace you've got for each entry. | 09:30 |
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| hrw | ~curse amdati for crap called rs485 graphics | 09:41 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, amdati for crap called rs485 graphics ! | 09:41 |
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| crashanddie_ | fun thing is... With the NIT you can be in the most awkward locations, and still keep chatting on IRC | 09:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like the can? :P | 09:57 |
| Navi | Woo | 09:57 |
| Navi | Nerding it up in the bathroom | 09:57 |
| kimitake | thanks, KotCzarny. It seems there is extras info, so I just copied some packages from scratchbox. | 09:58 |
| crashanddie_ | GA, damn you and your thelepatic abilities | 10:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | wrrrrhhhrwwwwrhzzzhrrhwwwwrzzhssss | 10:00 |
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| crashanddie_ | *splash* | 10:00 |
| timelyx | crashanddie_: the n e61i works nicely for irc in any location | 10:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's the sound of the motorized cameras I installed throughout your home. :P | 10:00 |
| crashanddie_ | ok GA... so where do I live ? | 10:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | France! | 10:01 |
| crashanddie_ | ok, but where ? | 10:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pfft, I dunno. I contracted that part out. :P | 10:02 |
| crashanddie_ | I thought you installed them ? | 10:02 |
| crashanddie_ | :0 | 10:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I *had* installed I should say. :D | 10:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | The current maemowiki front page isn't very cooperative. :\ | 10:03 |
| crashanddie_ | I think you ought'nt saying anything anymore (w00t negatives), my agents will be there shortly | 10:04 |
| * GeneralAntilles engages the dead-man's-switch. | 10:07 | |
| * crashanddie_ calls jack sparrow | 10:08 | |
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| crashanddie_ | *listen man... yeah... another one... oh but pleeeaaa'eeeaase ! You promised mommy you'd take care of me ! But he has a beard ! | 10:09 |
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| crashanddie_ | wow | 10:10 |
| crashanddie_ | I shut down the laptop 'bout 20 minutes ago | 10:11 |
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| crashanddie_ | it's kinda sad how ISPs are un-imaginative with their hostnames | 10:14 |
| crashanddie_ | I mean, I'd go crazy ! | 10:14 |
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| Cptnodegard | youre peculiar | 10:15 |
| timelyx | crashanddie_: you really want to come up w/ a million hostnames? | 10:15 |
| timelyx | without offending *someone* (anyone) | 10:15 |
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| timelyx | some universities tried that | 10:15 |
| crashanddie_ | alias for DHCP: Compliant Information Acquisition | 10:15 |
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| crashanddie_ | and there you have it... *.cia.inet.fi | 10:16 |
| crashanddie_ | FUN ! | 10:16 |
| crashanddie_ | anyway, going to uni, back in a few | 10:17 |
| sp3000 | timelyx: istr my previous isp a few years ago hosted customer mail on a server named roskis ("trashcan") :P | 10:17 |
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| timelyx | heh | 10:18 |
| timelyx | how long did that last? | 10:18 |
| * timelyx wonders how many people here know the story about bugzilla and airlines | 10:18 | |
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| timelyx | bugzilla's mascot as people may or may not know is "bugy", he's a cute guy | 10:19 |
| timelyx | and he reflects the cute feeling bugzilla uses (somewhat playful) | 10:19 |
| timelyx | in any world, if two people try to make changes to the same object, someone will lose | 10:19 |
| hrhr | hi all. Who know any way ot use remote nfs share throught wifi on n810? | 10:19 |
| timelyx | in bugzilla, that's called a "mid-air collision" | 10:20 |
| timelyx | and we tell the user(s) who lost just that | 10:20 |
| KotCzarny | modprobe nfs | 10:20 |
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| KotCzarny | mount share:/dir /media/somewhere | 10:20 |
| timelyx | an airline considered using bugzilla for some tracking system | 10:20 |
| timelyx | they didn't find it funny | 10:20 |
| timelyx | as far as we know, bugzilla lost a chance at a nice company because of that :( | 10:20 |
| hrhr | KotCrazy: all nfs stuff included? | 10:20 |
| timelyx | good story, lesson sadly not learned... but good story. | 10:20 |
| KotCzarny | hrhr: you can compile modules yourself, or just google for it | 10:21 |
| KotCzarny | probably someone alredy did that | 10:21 |
| timelyx | crashanddie_: anyway, see the risk? :) | 10:21 |
| hrhr | as I see kernels are different on different firmwares | 10:22 |
| timelyx | yes | 10:22 |
| timelyx | we update kernels just like we update software | 10:22 |
| timelyx | heck, some firmwares are *only* kernel updates | 10:22 |
| sp3000 | timelyx: I guess it made sense in the context of having a debian mirror on tumble-dryer | 10:22 |
| KotCzarny | hrhr, 2.6.21 | 10:23 |
| hrhr | timelyx: point plz to sources of 53.1 kernel | 10:23 |
| timelyx | hrhr: do i look like a lawyer? | 10:23 |
| KotCzarny | hrhr: apt-get source kernel | 10:23 |
| KotCzarny | or something | 10:23 |
| timelyx | you have two options: google. reading your license | 10:23 |
| hrhr | sorry 2.2007.51-3 | 10:23 |
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| KotCzarny | hrhr, anyway, source is available | 10:24 |
| KotCzarny | and most people have/use just that version | 10:24 |
| hrhr | compiling in scratchbox? | 10:24 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 10:24 |
| KotCzarny | but as i said, try precompiled ones first | 10:25 |
| timelyx | afaik all nokia packages are built in scratchbox... | 10:25 |
| timelyx | KotCzarny: i hate to ask, but why is there a proliferation of kernels? | 10:25 |
| timelyx | is the shipped kernel --without-loadable-kernel-module-support ? | 10:25 |
| hrhr | I don't have debian =(...only gentoo | 10:26 |
| timelyx | hrhr: scratchbox lets you install a debian env | 10:26 |
| timelyx | that's part of its job | 10:26 |
| hrhr | latest scratchbox howto only for 3.x bora | 10:26 |
| timelyx | (reading documentation is part of your job) | 10:26 |
| KotCzarny | timelyx: just copy modules to /lib/modules | 10:26 |
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| KotCzarny | modprobe would work then | 10:26 |
| timelyx | KotCzarny: so why would there be lots of kernels available instead of lots of modules? | 10:26 |
| KotCzarny | and udev too (but that one i'm guessing) | 10:27 |
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| KotCzarny | erm? | 10:27 |
| timelyx | 10:25 KotCzarny but as i said, try precompiled ones first | 10:27 |
| KotCzarny | i meant, 'compiled by someone' | 10:27 |
| KotCzarny | it's late here :) | 10:27 |
| hrhr | what do you think about rx-34-kernel-modules-extra_2.6.21.0-200749osso2_all.deb at repository.maemo.org | 10:28 |
| KotCzarny | i don't know | 10:28 |
| KotCzarny | i have compiled my own kernel | 10:29 |
| KotCzarny | with hacks i wanted | 10:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:29 |
| hrhr | =) | 10:30 |
| * timelyx sighs | 10:33 | |
| timelyx | my least favorite bug class: | 10:33 |
| timelyx | users who complain about data-retention in cases where 99% of people complain about dataloss | 10:33 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:33 |
| KotCzarny | make it configurable? | 10:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:34 |
| timelyx | "firefox crashed, and when i ran it again, it logged back into gmail and took me right back to where i was" | 10:34 |
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| KotCzarny | it has it's merits | 10:34 |
| timelyx | the complaint? | 10:34 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 10:34 |
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| KotCzarny | security related probably | 10:34 |
| timelyx | so,... all the user has to do is run firefox again and log out | 10:35 |
| timelyx | but yes, i understand the user | 10:35 |
| timelyx | i just think he's crazy | 10:35 |
| timelyx | if the computer isn't safe, then someone could be logging the data anyway | 10:35 |
| KotCzarny | maybe some callback to 'clear user data' in crash handler | 10:36 |
| GAN800 | well, sure, but not a lot of people know how to log data. I'd imagine he's more worried about the next person innocently opening FF and browsing through his emails. | 10:37 |
| KotCzarny | net cafe etc | 10:37 |
| KotCzarny | but it's unsafe anyway | 10:38 |
| KotCzarny | so he/she shouldn't be complaining | 10:38 |
| timelyx | precisely | 10:38 |
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| timelyx | there was a person who installed a web cam overhead | 10:38 |
| timelyx | another added a usb based key logger | 10:38 |
| timelyx | a third installed a hidden firefox extension | 10:38 |
| GAN800 | Can session retention on crash be turned off? | 10:38 |
| KotCzarny | tcpdump too | 10:38 |
| timelyx | a fourth installed an os native key logger | 10:38 |
| timelyx | GAN800: sure | 10:39 |
| timelyx | well, the whole feature can be disabled | 10:39 |
| KotCzarny | but it can be turned back on | 10:39 |
| timelyx | we haven't implemented a "private browsing mode" for 3 | 10:39 |
| timelyx | it'll probably come for "next" | 10:39 |
| timelyx | oh, and a fifth user virtualized the os in VMWare and is logging everything :) | 10:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:40 |
| timelyx | I'm in a netcafe and i'm afraid firefox is spying on me | 10:40 |
| KotCzarny | 'wontfix unrelated' ? | 10:40 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 10:40 |
| timelyx | you aren't afraid that the rest of the net cafe is spying on you? | 10:40 |
| timelyx | pay 300EUR and by an eepc or 400EUR and an n810 | 10:40 |
| timelyx | ... | 10:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:41 |
| timelyx | s/ee/eee/ | 10:41 |
| KotCzarny | or 150$ for an n800 | 10:41 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 10:41 |
| timelyx | sure... | 10:41 |
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| timelyx | oh right... | 10:47 |
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| timelyx | http://viper.haque.net/~timeless/blog/143/ | 11:20 |
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| KotCzarny | heh | 11:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | guenther, ping. | 11:25 |
| guenther | GeneralAntilles: pong | 11:25 |
| KotCzarny | prong | 11:25 |
| guenther | Dude, it's early in the morning here. ;) | 11:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Two questions, does the website product really need maemo version numbers (and is there something more logical they could be replaced with?) and should I be setting the Target Milestone of new bugs to Future (assuming that an existing version number does not already apply)? | 11:26 |
| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: so... one reason to use them | 11:27 |
| timelyx | is if bugs move between products | 11:27 |
| timelyx | this is probably not very likely to happen, but when it does, you'd otherwise lose info | 11:27 |
| timelyx | (it's recoverable, but annoying) | 11:27 |
| timelyx | the other thing is that if the website does release updates that are remotely sync'd w/ os releases, then it's useful | 11:27 |
| timelyx | sadly, websites are really time based not verisoned | 11:28 |
| timelyx | sp | 11:28 |
| timelyx | but using that is a pain | 11:28 |
| guenther | Just leave the Target Milestone unset, if there are no plans. | 11:28 |
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| timelyx | you end up w/ either lots of versions, or Q numbers | 11:28 |
| timelyx | and then you rename Q+1 to 2008Q1 and Q+2 to Q+1 | 11:28 |
| guenther | "Future" pretty much implies "well, next decade... maybe" | 11:28 |
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| timelyx | anyway... it's your choice | 11:29 |
| KotCzarny | unless they document specific versions? | 11:29 |
| timelyx | Q numbers can certainly be done | 11:29 |
| timelyx | it requires a bit of work | 11:29 |
| timelyx | (no more than renaming "next" every now and then actually) | 11:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Right-o, thanks. | 11:31 |
| guenther | IMHO, setting a Target Milestone means, that the devs really plan to fix it by then. | 11:31 |
| guenther | At the very least "plan". Not that it always will come true... ;) | 11:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping. | 11:32 |
| * GeneralAntilles needs mediawiki plugins. | 11:32 | |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: pong, I assigned it to Ferenc. | 11:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Excellent, thanks! | 11:33 |
| * GeneralAntilles spent 2 hours trying to figure out why conditionals weren't working in his templates. | 11:33 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid plugins. . . . | 11:34 |
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| X-Fade | Hmm yeah. | 11:34 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Btw are you admin in the wiki? | 11:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, dneary upgraded me a few days ago. | 11:34 |
| X-Fade | Ok :) | 11:34 |
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| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: so are you going to change it? | 11:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Change what? | 11:37 |
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| timelyx | tm's | 11:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, I had been setting them to on bugs I was actioning. | 11:37 |
| timelyx | setting them is still a good idea | 11:38 |
| timelyx | if you want different ones and come up w/ a better set, i can make that happen | 11:38 |
| timelyx | before i do that, you're expected to provide an updating page that describes your set :) | 11:38 |
| timelyx | this is so that "target milestone" can link to your page so people can figure out what your milestones mean :) | 11:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Got nothing better. ;) | 11:39 |
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| timelyx | nor did i, hence what you have now :) | 11:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's perfectly fine for me, just wanted to clarify the correct procedure for "Future" | 11:40 |
| timelyx | ah | 11:40 |
| timelyx | well, if you need something beyond Next and Future, that can be arranged | 11:40 |
| timelyx | typically future means "we aren't working on this (or anytime soon now)" | 11:40 |
| guenther | In practice, Future tends to mean even later than no target set... | 11:41 |
| guenther | right | 11:41 |
| timelyx | future means that the bug was looked at | 11:41 |
| timelyx | --- pretty much means it hasn't been | 11:41 |
| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: i might at some point create a distinction between Next Minor and Next Major | 11:42 |
| timelyx | i'd have to figure out how to give better words for that | 11:42 |
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| timelyx | it's the difference between +0.1 and +1.0 | 11:42 |
| timelyx | "Update", "Upgrade", "Next" ... | 11:42 |
| timelyx | anyway, if you can come up w/ a way to express the 0.1 v. 1.0 bit, let me know | 11:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | I suppose using the next minor and the next major version number wouldn't work? | 11:43 |
| timelyx | although, officially, i don't own the bug system at this point ... i don't think that's a big deal | 11:43 |
| timelyx | wanna try counting w/ me? | 11:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, for right now, 4.2 and 5.0 | 11:43 |
| timelyx | 1.0, 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, 3.0, 3.3, 4.0, 5.0, 5.1, 5.2, 6.0 | 11:44 |
| timelyx | anyone know that version sequence? | 11:44 |
| jaska | windows | 11:44 |
| timelyx | close | 11:44 |
| timelyx | 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 3.11 | 11:44 |
| timelyx | 4.0, 4.1, 4.99 | 11:44 |
| KotCzarny | WfW | 11:44 |
| timelyx | 3.5, 3.51, 4.0, 5.0, 5.1, 5.2, 6.0 | 11:44 |
| KotCzarny | nt | 11:44 |
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| timelyx | anyway, the problem is that version sequences and product plans are fluiod | 11:44 |
| timelyx | s/od$/d | 11:45 |
| timelyx | there's no guarantee that what i was told on friday (i wasn't, but it's a day!) | 11:45 |
| timelyx | is what will happen next week | 11:45 |
| timelyx | which is why i picked Next | 11:45 |
| KotCzarny | usually major version changes when there is serious incompability | 11:45 |
| timelyx | not in maemo :) | 11:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | True enough, since, presumably, there's no 4.2 now and there might've been a month ago. | 11:45 |
| timelyx | have you looked at maemo releases? | 11:45 |
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| timelyx | C , D, F, H is iirc the current lettering | 11:45 |
| KotCzarny | ehehe | 11:46 |
| timelyx | did someone leak what happened to E or G? | 11:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 11:46 |
| X-Fade | timelyx: Yes. They were skipped. | 11:46 |
| KotCzarny | maybe there were no cool names with that letters | 11:46 |
| timelyx | do you think the letters were obscene and intentionally skipped? | 11:46 |
| X-Fade | The plans changed and those targets are no more. | 11:46 |
| timelyx | this isn't washington d.c., where there is no J street | 11:46 |
| guenther | heh, why is that? | 11:46 |
| KotCzarny | j street? | 11:46 |
| timelyx | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streets_and_highways_of_Washington,_D.C. | 11:47 |
| timelyx | personally i prefer to the slight story | 11:47 |
| timelyx | so much better :) | 11:47 |
| timelyx | it's certainly the one i heard growing up | 11:47 |
| KotCzarny | There are also no X, Y, or Z streets. | 11:47 |
| timelyx | anyway... yeah, the point is that plans change | 11:48 |
| timelyx | using "Next" prevented me from having to change or even indicate any plans nokia may or may not have had | 11:48 |
| KotCzarny | but accountants are disturbed by that. | 11:48 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 11:48 |
| X-Fade | For future code name plans: http://ggweather.com/winds.html | 11:48 |
| X-Fade | Lots of options :) | 11:49 |
| KotCzarny | and will smack you with anger | 11:49 |
| KotCzarny | and wrath | 11:49 |
| timelyx | or they could give up on winds | 11:49 |
| timelyx | winds change :) | 11:49 |
| * timelyx shrugs | 11:49 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:49 |
| rm_you | timelyx: time till you go to work? :P | 11:49 |
| timelyx | personally i think they're a relatively bad idea | 11:49 |
| KotCzarny | wind of change? | 11:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:49 |
| timelyx | rm_you; 5-10mins | 11:49 |
| timelyx | because people can't spell winds | 11:49 |
| timelyx | i don't think i even tried counting the number of spellings for F | 11:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also, X-Fade, I set up a template for "More in this topic..." for the front page (http://wiki.maemo.org/Template:More_topics not working due to lack of the plugin), but I wanted to align it with the bottom left (right?) corner of each category box to offset it from the rest of the links in the box. Couldn't figure it out, though, if you get some time could you poke at it a bit? It might be useful/necessary to move to pure HT | 11:50 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Hmm maybe you can just specify a css class? | 11:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | I tried position: relative, but it doesn't do anything within the table. | 11:52 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Because that doesn't do anything. | 11:52 |
| KotCzarny | time to get some sleep, night people | 11:53 |
| X-Fade | Maybe you should just float:right it? | 11:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | One sec, let me set up another sandbox | 11:53 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: We need to set classes up here: http://wiki.maemo.org/MediaWiki:Common.css | 11:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | No effect: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Generalantilles/Sandbox/Front_page | 11:55 |
| timelyx | http://dev.laptop.org/~cscott/ul_warning.png | 11:55 |
| KotCzarny | 'do not have children' ? | 11:56 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 11:56 |
| aquatix | lol | 11:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, X-Fade, I'd like to get some discussion moving in MAG on stuff like that. | 11:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | We seem to be limited in people right now, though. ;) | 11:56 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Check the page now? | 11:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, better, but we've still got all that whitespace below it. :< | 11:58 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: That doesn't bother me too much? | 11:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, but it bothers _me_. :P | 11:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hi, dneary. | 12:00 |
| dneary | hi GA | 12:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Got more template goodness coming for you as soon as the new ParameterFunctions plugin gets installed. | 12:02 |
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| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Do you know how to change the CSS for the MediaWiki? | 12:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/MediaWiki:Common.css | 12:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's some of it. | 12:10 |
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| X-Fade | All admins can edit that one. At least we can use that for styling common objects. | 12:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Where'd that namespace link go. . . . | 12:11 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Maybe because I added a ? I think I shouldn't have done that? | 12:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a way to display all pages in a namespace, but I can't find the mediawiki page for it. . . . :\ | 12:14 |
| X-Fade | Ah. | 12:14 |
| X-Fade | Well searching for it works :) | 12:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, I had a page that showed all articles in the Mediawiki namespace | 12:16 |
| rm_you_ | any idea where i can get sources for apps on http://nitapps.com/? | 12:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | I guess this is it: http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special:Allpages&namespace=8 | 12:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Namespace numbers are here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Namespace | 12:18 |
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| fysa | good morning | 12:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, fysa. | 12:19 |
| rm_you_ | someone with an n810 verify that "cat /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-0/0-0029/lux" returns the light sensor value | 12:19 |
| rm_you_ | ? | 12:19 |
| aquatix | sec... | 12:23 |
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| X-Fade | rm_you_: yep. That works. | 12:23 |
| rm_you_ | GeneralAntilles: what was I doing once I get the light sensor value? | 12:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Changing the backlight value. | 12:24 |
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| aquatix | rm_you_: indeed works | 12:24 |
| X-Fade | rm_you_: I get 99 in my room. And 5 when I put my finger on it. | 12:24 |
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| rm_you | kk cool | 12:24 |
| aquatix | 438 here | 12:24 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: lol k | 12:24 |
| aquatix | 750 in full light | 12:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're going to collide with the Nokia setup, though. :P | 12:24 |
| rm_you | wow | 12:24 |
| rm_you | heh yeah | 12:24 |
| rm_you | i need to figure out how to disable it | 12:24 |
| rm_you | actually, i kind of thought my thing disabled it already somehow | 12:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was never clear on that myself. | 12:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any N810 owners using adv-backlight? | 12:25 |
| fysa | hmm. cannot find openssl deb. | 12:25 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I do. | 12:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Does the light sensor still change the backlight level? | 12:25 |
| rm_you | How does it affect the light-sensor backlight autochanging? | 12:26 |
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| rm_you | and how would you LIKE it to affect the light-sensor backlight stuff | 12:26 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: what does adv-backlight do? | 12:26 |
| X-Fade | Lightsensor overrights it. | 12:26 |
| X-Fade | So if there is a change because of the sensor, the adv-backlight setting is dropped. | 12:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16531 | 12:27 |
| rm_you | aquatix: you don't already use it? :P | 12:27 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: hrm... would you like if it was turn-offable in advanced-backlight | 12:27 |
| rm_you | in the settings? | 12:27 |
| rm_you | and how would you like advanced-backlight to handle it? | 12:27 |
| aquatix | ooh | 12:28 |
| aquatix | rm_you: not yet | 12:28 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: No, but I would like it to go back to my selected setting. | 12:28 |
| aquatix | but looks like i will later today :) | 12:28 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: so... you would actually want it to switch? | 12:28 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: but then go back when | 12:28 |
| rm_you | ? | 12:28 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: It may light up more because I enter a dark room (Not that kind). But go back to my setting when in normal light. | 12:28 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: Or profiles based on light input :) | 12:29 |
| rm_you | hrm | 12:29 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: At night it may be very dim. In normal light at 20% etc ;) | 12:29 |
| rm_you | hrm | 12:30 |
| rm_you | so.... | 12:30 |
| rm_you | you would like, say... four or something preset light levels, and to be able to set what brightness you want for each? | 12:31 |
| rm_you | and possibly the option to disable light sensor stuff entirely? | 12:31 |
| * GeneralAntilles can already picture the sensor-based backlight settings ballooning towards infinity. | 12:31 | |
| * rm_you nods at Ge | 12:31 | |
| * rm_you nods at GeneralAntilles | 12:31 | |
| rm_you | bah second ge | 12:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not a terrible thing in this case, though. | 12:31 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: Basically I would need a modifier on top of nokia's settings? :) I like 20% less light than all Nokia settings. ;) | 12:31 |
| rm_you | i can make them only show up on n9810 | 12:31 |
| rm_you | ack | 12:31 |
| rm_you | n810 | 12:31 |
| rm_you | lol | 12:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | The issue is going to be getting dsme to cooperate. | 12:32 |
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| rm_you | first step i guess is to figure out how i can disable the light meter stuff | 12:32 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I think those figures are in gconf? | 12:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Highly unlikely. | 12:32 |
| rm_you | display stuff isn't | 12:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a Nokia entity, X-Fade. ;) | 12:32 |
| rm_you | i mean, i can already GET the lightsensor value | 12:32 |
| rm_you | and i can change based on it | 12:32 |
| rm_you | that | 12:32 |
| rm_you | that's DONE | 12:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's the easy part. :P | 12:33 |
| rm_you | what i need to do is disable the built-in light-sensor support | 12:33 |
| * GeneralAntilles searches for light-sensor bugs. | 12:33 | |
| * rm_you waits for timelyx to get to work | 12:33 | |
| GeneralAntilles | mce, rather. | 12:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not a dsme thing interestingly. | 12:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2755 | 12:34 |
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| rm_you | LOL | 12:37 |
| rm_you | advanced-backlight provides all 127 levels (I think, a lot anyway), | 12:37 |
| rm_you | which IMHO is a bit too much, but I can live with that 4 now :-) | 12:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | A lot of people complain about that | 12:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't get it. :\ | 12:38 |
| rm_you | yeah... use the old nokia applet | 12:38 |
| rm_you | how hard is it to POKE A PLACE ON THE BAR | 12:38 |
| zap | me too, it doesn't change backlight for me in steady light conditions | 12:38 |
| rm_you | if you don't want that many settings... don't use them. use the ones around them | 12:39 |
| rm_you | <_< | 12:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 12:39 |
| RST38h | BTW, how about merging advanced backlight control with lock-on-light-sensor? | 12:42 |
| rm_you | ? | 12:42 |
| rm_you | link? | 12:42 |
| rm_you | what is that project | 12:42 |
| RST38h | The current lock-on-light-sensor thingie does nto work 100% of time and can only be disabled by uninstalling | 12:42 |
| RST38h | A moment | 12:42 |
| RST38h | It would be very nice as an option in the applet | 12:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=185914 | 12:43 |
| RST38h | Thanks, GA | 12:43 |
| RST38h | [save me a cut&paste] | 12:43 |
| rm_you | um | 12:45 |
| rm_you | what? | 12:45 |
| rm_you | what do you want me to merge? | 12:45 |
| rm_you | you want a checkbox that says "Automatically lock tablet when light sensor is covered"? | 12:46 |
| rm_you | essentially? | 12:46 |
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| RST38h | rm_you: yep | 12:56 |
| RST38h | rm_you: + some configurable heuristics to make locking smart | 12:56 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:58 |
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| lardman | Anyone bored? | 13:01 |
| lardman | Fancy looking for a mistake in some code? | 13:02 |
| inz | Always | 13:03 |
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| lardman | hmm, you don't know what you're letting yourself in for.... | 13:03 |
| lardman | :) | 13:03 |
| lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/mk2/arm/?root=dsp-sbc is the code based on bluez-utils 3.20 | 13:04 |
| lardman | sbcenc works in this code | 13:04 |
| inz | lardman, it's more fun to find "real WTFs" instead of reading thedailywtf ;) | 13:04 |
| lardman | :) | 13:04 |
| lardman | oops correction above, that's the code from 3.32 | 13:04 |
| lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/mk2/arm-for-3.20/?root=dsp-sbc is the code from 3.20 | 13:05 |
| lardman | I'm using the same dsp task code with both of these ARM codes (https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/mk2/dsp/?root=dsp-sbc) | 13:05 |
| lardman | as the DSP code is based on 3.32, it slots straight in there and works | 13:05 |
| lardman | I've had to tweak the way sbc_encode() (in sbc.c) is called so that the same params can be passed to the DSP from the 3.20 code, which has a slightly different api | 13:06 |
| lardman | with me so far? sort of | 13:06 |
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| lardman | The tweaks are carried out in sbc.c in sbc_encode() (in the 3.20 code) so that the args match both in and out | 13:08 |
| lardman | etc | 13:08 |
| lardman | Anwyay, I've checked that the parameters being passed in are the same, but when the read(sbc->dsp_fd,....) is done in sbc_encode(), I get back junk data (but always the same) | 13:08 |
| lardman | The confusing thing is, that the DSP tells me that it is about to send me 39 16bit bytes, but the ARM only receives 18 8bit bytes | 13:10 |
| lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/sbc/debugging.txt for some output from the 3.20 version of sbcenc | 13:10 |
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| lardman | Any questions? ;) | 13:11 |
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| lardman | (even silly ones) | 13:13 |
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| lardman | I should note that the file I was testing is apparently 8kb/s, which is not supported by the encoder, but it defaults to thinking it's 44.1kbps and processes it like that | 13:16 |
| lardman | which is fine for the testing & comparison, if not the listening :) | 13:17 |
| RST38h | lardmanL what do you want looked at, again? | 13:17 |
| lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/mk2/arm-for-3.20/sbc.c?root=dsp-sbc&view=markup | 13:18 |
| RST38h | ok | 13:18 |
| lardman | search for the text "i = read(sbc->dsp_fd, local_output, sizeof(local_output)); // this doesn't seem to read the correct data!!!!!" | 13:19 |
| lardman | in the debugging.txt file above, you can see the following lines returned from the DSP: | 13:20 |
| lardman | [ 252.914062] len = 256 | 13:20 |
| lardman | [ 252.914062] encoded = 73 | 13:20 |
| lardman | [ 252.914062] ((encoded+1)>>1)+2 = 39 | 13:20 |
| lardman | which says it's used 256 8bit bytes (numbers on the DSP are passed in 8bit quantities so that fewer changes are needed to the rest of the sbc code) | 13:20 |
| RST38h | So you write a command few lines before and then read the response? | 13:20 |
| lardman | that data comes out in what's effectively a printf() | 13:21 |
| lardman | but it turns up in dmesg as it comes via the kernel | 13:21 |
| RST38h | my guess is that the 512 bytes contain some junk at the end and that junk confuses dsp | 13:22 |
| lardman | no, because the dsp says it has encoded 73 8bit bytes | 13:22 |
| RST38h | ok | 13:22 |
| RST38h | yes but wait | 13:22 |
| lardman | and it then says it will return 39 16bit bytes | 13:22 |
| lardman | but on the arm side we only get 18 8bit bytes | 13:22 |
| RST38h | you have just sent 512 bytes - are these 16bit samples? | 13:22 |
| lardman | I've offered it 512 8bit bytes, it takes 256 | 13:23 |
| RST38h | umgh...ok | 13:23 |
| RST38h | a moment | 13:23 |
| zap | lardman: out of pure curiosity, why you implemented SBC encoding on DSP and not on CPU? | 13:24 |
| lardman | zap: save cpu time | 13:24 |
| zap | is it alot faster? | 13:24 |
| RST38h | lardman: Ok, how about doing another read()? | 13:25 |
| lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/mk2/dsp/dsptask_sbcenc.c?root=dsp-sbc&view=markup is the dsp side code which handles the encoding, look at the static Uns sbcenc_rcv_snd() fn which is called when data is written to the dsp | 13:25 |
| lardman | RST38h: but why? | 13:25 |
| lardman | RST38h: but the buffer is large enough to take all the data, it shouldn't need it | 13:25 |
| RST38h | lardman: Maybe the DSP does not have all the data ready yet | 13:25 |
| RST38h | lardman: Try this | 13:26 |
| lardman | it has to have it ready, firstly as we see the message that it's finished encoding, and it's synchronous, and because it then tells the ARM that it wants to send - read() on the arm blocks until then | 13:26 |
| RST38h | lardman: Do two extra bytes contain lenghts of the result? | 13:27 |
| lardman | yes, the first two bytes give the length of data used, and the length of the encoded output data | 13:27 |
| lardman | this is needed as if the output length is odd (in 8but bytes) we have to pad as we can only pass 16bit bytes around on the dsp | 13:28 |
| RST38h | Do they contain the correct length? (39) | 13:28 |
| lardman | yes | 13:28 |
| RST38h | O, do this then: | 13:28 |
| RST38h | 1. read 2 bytes | 13:28 |
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| RST38h | 2. spin-read as many bytes as the reported result length | 13:28 |
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| RST38h | See if this works | 13:28 |
| lobur | maemo | 13:28 |
| lardman | RST38h: I've tried reading 2 bytes and I get garbage out - not the numbers I expect | 13:29 |
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| lobur | maemo | 13:29 |
| RST38h | mmm | 13:29 |
| RST38h | so when you read 2 bytes it is different from reading as-many-as-possible? | 13:29 |
| lardman | RST38h: the confusing thing is the 3.32 code works, and does exactly the same thing afaict | 13:29 |
| lobur | maemo | 13:29 |
| lardman | lobur: stop | 13:29 |
| lardman | RST38h: yes, iirc | 13:30 |
| RST38h | weird | 13:30 |
| lardman | RST38h: sorry I didn't note that result down | 13:30 |
| lardman | here's the 3.32 code, which works, and does pretty much the same thing: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/mk2/arm/sbc.c?root=dsp-sbc&view=markup | 13:30 |
| lardman | scroll down to int sbc_encode( | 13:31 |
| lobur | maemo | 13:31 |
| zap | I guess the stop button on lobur is a bit broken | 13:31 |
| lardman | seems so :) | 13:31 |
| lobur | poor lardman | 13:32 |
| * GeneralAntilles hovers his finger over the staffer-summoning button. | 13:32 | |
| * lardman sees the wonders of mixing spaces and tabs in his code | 13:33 | |
| lobur | poor lardman | 13:33 |
| lardman | ~lart gedit for mixing tabs and spaces | 13:33 |
| * infobot puts gedit into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of gedit's hair of for mixing tabs and spaces | 13:33 | |
| lobur | poor lardman | 13:33 |
| rm_you | VIM maybe? :P | 13:33 |
| lardman | ~lart lobur for being a silly bot | 13:33 |
| * infobot takes out a cattle prod and gives lobur a good jolt for being a silly bot | 13:33 | |
| rm_you | you could prolly just open it in VIM and have it auto-space | 13:33 |
| lobur | poor lardman | 13:33 |
| lardman | rm_you: I will do something like that eventually | 13:34 |
| lobur | poor lardman | 13:34 |
| rm_you | gg=Shift+g | 13:35 |
| rm_you | :P | 13:35 |
| rm_you | or "gg=G" | 13:35 |
| lobur | lardman: do you admit you're poor? | 13:35 |
| lardman | lobur: I accept cheques and bankers' drafts if you want to make me richer | 13:36 |
| zap | :) | 13:36 |
| lobur | yes, how much do you want? | 13:36 |
| lardman | how much do you have | 13:36 |
| lardman | $10 will do | 13:36 |
| lobur | 9876 pounds | 13:36 |
| lardman | lbs or £? | 13:37 |
| lobur | £ | 13:37 |
| lardman | so you're not a bot then? | 13:37 |
| zap | bots don't have property | 13:38 |
| zap | he must be lying | 13:38 |
| lobur | what is a bot | 13:38 |
| lardman | a computer program | 13:39 |
| lobur | I am agent smith | 13:39 |
| zap | Agent Smith is a typical bot | 13:39 |
| lardman | I'm bored, back to the DSP debugging I say | 13:40 |
| lobur | how much do you want, Lardman? | 13:40 |
| lardman | 73+1+2 bytes received rather than 18 basically | 13:40 |
| lardman | if you can sort that out I'll be happy | 13:40 |
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| zap | lobur = new AgentSmith(); delete lobur; | 13:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha, owned. | 13:48 |
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| rm_you | cnh9yoyrhrc89042grhc74h9wme3fycr7b\2o78nw3c30aucdaoed | 13:56 |
| * rm_you screams | 13:56 | |
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| * GeneralAntilles gives rm_you a lollipop. | 14:02 | |
| fysa | me.com integration for maemo ;! | 14:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just use the AJAX apps? | 14:04 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: https://wiki.maemo.org/Rm_you | 14:06 |
| aquatix | rm_you: whoa, that's a long password | 14:06 |
| rm_you | ack need to re-space | 14:06 |
| rm_you | sec | 14:06 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: ok read that | 14:08 |
| rm_you | WTF | 14:08 |
| rm_you | i'm gonna ask some #GTK+ people to see if they know wtf he means | 14:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 14:08 |
| rm_you | *(&@$&(^(*#&^#@ | 14:10 |
| rm_you | that was somewhat helpful | 14:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's got to be somebody around who can write some freaking documentation on this shit. | 14:10 |
| rm_you | i know that they DID use a gtk_menu | 14:10 |
| rm_you | that's finally a 100% certainty | 14:10 |
| rm_you | but i've had multiple people from #gtk+ tell me THIS ISN'T POSSIBLE | 14:11 |
| rm_you | FUCKING HELL | 14:11 |
| rm_you | maybe I should just give up, take my applet down, and say fuck you nokia, release your code or suck it | 14:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 14:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | What do they care? :P | 14:11 |
| rm_you | i feel like I was doing something ILLICIT / ILLEGAL just talking to him about this stuff | 14:12 |
| rm_you | like, it felt like a drug deal was going down in a backwater IRC channel | 14:12 |
| rm_you | i mean WTF | 14:12 |
| rm_you | since when do I have to sneak around to DEVELOP AN APPLET | 14:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since you fell into a pit of Nokia retardation. :P | 14:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who can you escalate this with? | 14:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody who might be empowered to get the ball rolling on something useful. | 14:13 |
| RST38h | rm_you: doing something they did not expect you to do is half the fun | 14:13 |
| rm_you | NO ONE | 14:13 |
| rm_you | thats the problem | 14:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I dunno | 14:13 |
| rm_you | Quim already shot me down | 14:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Try Quim? | 14:13 |
| rm_you | who the fuck else do i talk to? | 14:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | In the bug? | 14:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's no shoot-down. | 14:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | email him directly | 14:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | or hit up -developers again. | 14:13 |
| RST38h | GA: Trying Quim is generally pointless | 14:14 |
| MangoFusion_ | could always just decompile it and try to find the relevant function calls. that is if you are insane of course | 14:14 |
| RST38h | too insane | 14:14 |
| RST38h | although IDAPro will do it for you | 14:14 |
| rm_you | someone want to help me with that? | 14:15 |
| RST38h | decompilation? | 14:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd try -developers, too. | 14:17 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: Did you already ask on -developers? | 14:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Explain the situation, try not to rant, be reasonable. | 14:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a lot of Nokians paying attention to -developers. | 14:18 |
| rm_you | yes | 14:18 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: no one responded | 14:18 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: What was the topic? | 14:18 |
| rm_you | sec | 14:18 |
| rm_you | topic: "Duplicating the Backlight statusbar app's "menu"" | 14:19 |
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| rm_you | 01/10/2008 | 14:19 |
| rm_you | i suppose i've waited long enough to repost | 14:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | You need a more attention-grabbing subject. | 14:19 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, add at least GTK in the title ;) | 14:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not itT, so mentioning the iPhone wont work. . . . :P | 14:20 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: Did you look up who is responsible for the package? | 14:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Provide a back-story so it'll at least appeal to some of the non-developer types. ;) | 14:21 |
| X-Fade | Sometimes just mailing the maintainer does wonders.. | 14:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, shouldn't they be paying attention to bugzilla, though. :P | 14:21 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Well, yes. But there is no specific component for that package. And this isn't really a bug. Just an enquiry about info? :) | 14:22 |
| rm_you | I should write a novella of my plight | 14:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, hopefully they might've noticed this: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3199 | 14:23 |
| rm_you | and post it to -developers | 14:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Good plan, rm_you. | 14:23 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: You should really use more technical terms in your descriptions. | 14:24 |
| X-Fade | Say that your want to know about GTK+ HildonControlbar etc. etc. | 14:24 |
| rm_you | i did in the actual body... | 14:24 |
| X-Fade | Reading your bug and all the comments doesn't tell us anything about that. | 14:25 |
| rm_you | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-January/031644.html | 14:25 |
| X-Fade | yeah ok, but because of the title it probably didn't get noticed at all. | 14:26 |
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| X-Fade | rm_you: Just a quick question. If you handled the click on your controlbar, it shouldn't reach the underlying gtkmenuitem? | 14:29 |
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| RST38h | rm_you: I will try finding you a copy of IDAPro, but it will be #1 pirated and #2 won't show the C code, just annotated assembly | 14:36 |
| RST38h | rm_you: Are you ok with both? | 14:36 |
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| rm_you_ | yeah | 14:38 |
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| RST38h | rm_you: http://www.torrentz.com/0c7fe58db2f90135dde58c7b5d9aa9ff3b1b387b | 14:41 |
| RST38h | rm_you: http://www.exetools.com/disassemblers.htm | 14:42 |
| RST38h | rm_you: http://www.cracklab.ru/f/index.php?action=vthread&forum=3&topic=4199 | 14:43 |
| RST38h | http://7sl.ru/2007/12/03/ida_pro_advanced_5.2__utilities_addon.html (will have to register for the forum) | 14:43 |
| rm_you_ | oh theres more from timeless | 14:44 |
| rm_you_ | updating wiki when i can | 14:44 |
| RST38h | Nokia guys are really better off just documenting or opening this | 14:45 |
| rm_you_ | i know <_< | 14:46 |
| rm_you_ | i think he agrees | 14:46 |
| rm_you_ | but he can't really do anything about it | 14:46 |
| RST38h | It is *not* an industrial secret by any measure | 14:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where's the missing documentation product for bugzilla? | 14:46 |
| rm_you_ | <rm_you> Nokia has no reason to keep that closed | 14:46 |
| rm_you_ | <rm_you> in fact, it should probably be a seperate library, eg HildonMenu | 14:46 |
| rm_you_ | * timeless nods | 14:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, ping | 14:47 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Pong | 14:47 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: I'm going to have something to eat in a sec | 14:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You're the docmaster, where do you want "missing"/requested documentation bugs? | 14:47 |
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| X-Fade | Hmm http://share.ovi.com/media/pasco.public/pasco.10384?sort=5 Can we have maemo on that, please? :) | 14:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh, and have it encumbered by all the cellular bullshit? | 14:53 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I'm sure that will be handled as blob. Just like dsme etc? | 14:54 |
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| RST38h | XFade: A prototype? | 14:59 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: I have no idea, I just saw a post about it. It is supposed to be a S60 touch device. | 15:00 |
| RST38h | I will take it if it has QWERTY keyboard =) | 15:00 |
| RST38h | Symbian is fine. | 15:00 |
| X-Fade | No I think it is touch only. | 15:01 |
| RST38h | Wait, screenshots are 240x320 | 15:01 |
| RST38h | Too bad =( | 15:01 |
| * aquatix is happy with his uiq3 phone | 15:01 | |
| aquatix | why reinvent touchscreen on symbian ;) | 15:01 |
| RST38h | aquatix: I hope Nokia uses standard Symbian API for touch screen | 15:02 |
| glass | they used with s90 | 15:02 |
| RST38h | 'cause otherwise it will be a royal mess | 15:02 |
| glass | 7710 | 15:02 |
| glass | dunno about the new/coming | 15:02 |
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| glass | and there actually is a s60 with touchscreen but it's for chinese char input | 15:02 |
| glass | and dunno if it was ever sold in numbers | 15:03 |
| glass | /useless trivia | 15:03 |
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| RST38h | heh, just seen a girl with 7710 in the canteen | 15:03 |
| glass | 7710 had a real nice screen for it's time | 15:03 |
| aquatix | people actually bought those? :) | 15:04 |
| RST38h | looks so | 15:04 |
| glass | yeah i know couple of people with it | 15:04 |
| * aquatix tought it was interesting | 15:04 | |
| aquatix | the case is weird though | 15:04 |
| RST38h | looks like a loaf of bread | 15:04 |
| glass | 7700 was strange | 15:04 |
| RST38h | you can probably steer a car with it =) | 15:04 |
| glass | 7710, the model that was actually sold, wasnt that weird | 15:04 |
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| rm_you_ | GeneralAntilles: refresh the wiki | 15:05 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: The plugin will be installed this evening. (europe evening, that is) | 15:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks! | 15:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, lol | 15:14 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: btw, do you ever sleep? | 15:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, but my schedule is weird. | 15:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | This week especially, AC's broken and I can't sleep in the heat. Waiting on maintenance to come sometime this morning. :\ | 15:15 |
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| X-Fade | You seem to be on a european schedule :) | 15:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I sorta sleep when I feel like it. | 15:16 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, AC is worth it's weight in gold.... well.... almost. | 15:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lot of online classes frees me from having to go to frequent lectures. ;) | 15:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Here it is. | 15:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Not just because of the price of copper. :D | 15:16 |
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| X-Fade | Heh ;) | 15:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That stupid bugjar thread seeped into Bugzilla. | 15:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't get these idiots. | 15:22 |
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| * aquatix shrugs at the term `bugjar' | 15:27 | |
| aquatix | apparently missed that on | 15:27 |
| aquatix | *one | 15:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | sjgadsby has been putting together weekly bugzilla summaries and posting them to itT and -developers. | 15:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, the most recent one descended into this retardation: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/37270 | 15:28 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: refresh page | 15:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The perl cracks me up | 15:35 |
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| aquatix | ``you can actually update your device to diablo prerelease | 15:42 |
| aquatix | images using application manager'' | 15:42 |
| aquatix | without flashing? | 15:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | SSU | 15:42 |
| * aquatix should read more itt forums | 15:42 | |
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| aquatix | yeah, but i thought diable had to be flashed over os2008 before ssu became available | 15:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | The final Diablo will pretty much certainly be a FIASCO image | 15:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | as clingers like osso-email are problematic. | 15:44 |
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| hrw | GeneralAntilles: in normal world packages would be made to take care of it | 15:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Of course | 15:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | But you can pretty much guarantee Nokia wont do that. | 15:45 |
| hrw | o yes | 15:45 |
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| Veggen | I think I'm gonna satisfy my play-needs by installing Debian on my 8GB microSD, and wait for the final Diablo before I reinstall :) | 15:49 |
| aquatix | i wonder whether nokia will release more updates when SSU is standard | 15:50 |
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| Veggen | My hope is that they'll go over to more incremental updates. | 15:50 |
| aquatix | yeah | 15:51 |
| * aquatix wouldn't mind a debian sid-like scenario | 15:51 | |
| Veggen | For example the "long version string in app-manager" problem could have been pushed as an update long ago. | 15:51 |
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| X-Fade | Veggen: But they will probably do that. Now they need to spin another FIASCO for these updates. Which is not an optimal situation ;) | 15:52 |
| Veggen | (I fixed it myself by compiling new apt-stuff and application manager from svn, a while ago, and haven't had any problems with that. | 15:52 |
| * aquatix loves the name `FIASCO' | 15:52 | |
| Veggen | X-Fade: yah, I know. | 15:52 |
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| hrw | lcuk: hi | 16:10 |
| hrw | lcuk: when release? | 16:10 |
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| jitu3485 | can someone explain how i should implement panning in gtk as done in maemo-mapper | 16:12 |
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| mgedmin | listen to mouse events, probably | 16:14 |
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| X-Fade | jitu3485: Why don't you just read the code? | 16:15 |
| hrw | reading code is overrated | 16:15 |
| derf | Yeah, you might learn something, and that's no good. | 16:16 |
| hrw | exactly | 16:17 |
| hrw | reinwenting wheel is much better | 16:17 |
| lcuk | jitu3485, hold onto previous mouse coords, when you are in a Dragging mode use delta between previous and current mouse coords to give an offset (-ve it) for the tiles :) | 16:19 |
| lcuk | hrw, soon.. | 16:19 |
| jitu3485 | code is little bit difficult, i am trying that only from past few days | 16:19 |
| jitu3485 | luck^, i have done that but panning is not that smooth | 16:20 |
| jitu3485 | code is at URL: http://rafb.net/p/oBSI3U96.html | 16:20 |
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| lcuk | well thats down to developer foo and how/what you are updating/refreshing :) i was also unimpressed by the smoothness of default code ;) | 16:20 |
| * lcuk fixed it though | 16:21 | |
| mgedmin | jitu3485: I don't think loading images from disk on every redraw is a good idea | 16:21 |
| mgedmin | also you seem to be leaking the last pixmap | 16:21 |
| lcuk | i think its perfect if you only redraw every few minutes ;) | 16:21 |
| rm_you | they could do something neat like intelligently cache nearby tiles | 16:21 |
| rm_you | anyway, sleep time | 16:22 |
| lcuk | anyway, evil internet dragging me away from work :P back later | 16:22 |
| rm_you | night | 16:22 |
| johnx | 'night rm_you | 16:22 |
| jitu3485 | mgedmin, are you saying like save tiles in cache or something else | 16:24 |
| mgedmin | yes | 16:24 |
| mgedmin | most of the time you're going to see the same tiles while dragging | 16:24 |
| mgedmin | keep them in memory | 16:24 |
| mgedmin | free them when they become invisible | 16:24 |
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| jitu3485 | should i use libsoup to download tiles , maemo supports libsoup? | 16:26 |
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| RST38h | http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/08/hands-on-with-the-digifriends-wibro-mid/ | 16:51 |
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| lardman | re | 16:59 |
| lardman | inz, RST38h: did you chaps spot the mistake? | 16:59 |
| inz | lardman, sorry, been busy | 17:00 |
| inz | lardman, and still am... | 17:00 |
| lardman | I may just give up on bluez-utils 3.20 and move to 3.28 (diablo) as that has the same api as the .32 code I based it on | 17:00 |
| lardman | inz: no worries | 17:00 |
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| johnx | lardman, that seems like the logical choice | 17:01 |
| lardman | johnx: annoying though, as we don't know when diablo is due, so not many people will be able to try it | 17:01 |
| johnx | wasn't it supposed to be "before the end of Q2 2008"? | 17:01 |
| lardman | plus I wasn't able to reboot when using diablo - had to reflash, and dsp programming often causes reboots | 17:01 |
| johnx | IIRC, that makes it end of the month | 17:01 |
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| johnx | reboot/shutdown is working here | 17:02 |
| johnx | not helpful, I know :/ | 17:02 |
| lardman | it will probably happen at exactly the same time as the wimiax machine is released, any hints on dates for that? | 17:02 |
| lardman | johnx: what device? | 17:02 |
| johnx | n800 | 17:02 |
| lardman | ah, mine was n810 | 17:02 |
| lardman | but I can update my n800 as that's my dev machine anyway | 17:03 |
| johnx | lardman, I really hope they don't wait for the wimax device O_o | 17:03 |
| lardman | I'll try that this evening | 17:03 |
| lardman | johnx: I think they will - a Nokian said that the other day iirc, and it's what happened with the N810 | 17:03 |
| * aquatix hopes they continue updating diablo then | 17:03 | |
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| aquatix | and a new gecko version would be nice | 17:03 |
| lardman | aquatix: I'm sure they will | 17:03 |
| aquatix | but that's idle hope | 17:04 |
| johnx | it is what happened with the n810...I just hope it's not the case this time | 17:04 |
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| aquatix | lardman: i mean, so they release a newer diablo then on the wimax version | 17:04 |
| johnx | aquatix, the new gecko engine is in svn | 17:04 |
| johnx | there are packages on itt, IIRC | 17:04 |
| aquatix | oh? | 17:05 |
| aquatix | cool | 17:05 |
| aquatix | package that i can `just' install on os2008? | 17:05 |
| GAN800 | Gecko trunk is on track for 'Diablo+1' | 17:05 |
| johnx | er, maybe? | 17:05 |
| * aquatix searches itt | 17:06 | |
| GAN800 | WiMAX is supposed to be early July | 17:06 |
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| Veggen | GAN800: What's the status on Diablo microB vs. Chinook microb? On stability, memory usage, etc... | 17:06 |
| johnx | GAN800, they're not going to hold off until the actual wimax network is more solid? | 17:06 |
| GAN800 | some improvement, it's pretty buggy right now, though. | 17:06 |
| Veggen | My microB seem to take >128MB virtual memory in very short time, nowadays. | 17:06 |
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| johnx | Veggen, I can answer that: stability seems fine, but memory usage is much worse | 17:06 |
| Veggen | ..on Chinook. | 17:07 |
| johnx | it might be a simple leak that needs to get caught | 17:07 |
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| GAN800 | Personally, I'm more interested in getting the svn running in Diablo. | 17:07 |
| GAN800 | Now _that_ is a BIG improvement. | 17:07 |
| Anunakin | Hey ... how install diablo? | 17:08 |
| Anunakin | I got R&D mode!!! ... | 17:08 |
| Anunakin | and free space at / to archives | 17:08 |
| X-Fade | Anunakin: If you have to ask that, then diablo is not for you :D | 17:08 |
| Anunakin | and now? need a pass to http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo/ | 17:08 |
| skibur | when will diablo be officially be out? | 17:08 |
| Anunakin | X-Fade!! I not know the pass to this... | 17:09 |
| Anunakin | I need it? | 17:09 |
| X-Fade | You're not supposed to either. | 17:09 |
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| GAN800 | skibur, when it's ready/'Q2 2008'. That informartion wont change until it's actually out. . . . | 17:11 |
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| aquatix | GAN800: it will change end of the month and not being out yet ;) | 17:13 |
| skibur | ok cool :D i don''t know the username and password. :p | 17:13 |
| GAN800 | aquatix, Q2 ends in August. | 17:13 |
| aquatix | GAN800: erm, then when did Q1 start? | 17:14 |
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| GAN800 | January 1st | 17:14 |
| aquatix | GAN800: then you can't count ;) | 17:14 |
| X-Fade | Heh :) | 17:14 |
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| lopz | hola | 17:15 |
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| Anunakin | shit | 17:17 |
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| skibur | so is diablo worth the time to find the password? | 17:20 |
| johnx | probably not | 17:20 |
| Anunakin | I cant locate osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked | 17:20 |
| X-Fade | It is not supposed to be used yet, so it can and will break your device at the moments you just can't have it. ;) | 17:21 |
| johnx | X-Fade, should I file a bug about browser memory usage in diablo? | 17:21 |
| skibur | o ok, its a leak | 17:21 |
| GAN800 | Anunakin, you have an N810, correct? | 17:22 |
| X-Fade | johnx: You can, I'm not sure what the policy is on filing bugs against not released software. | 17:22 |
| skibur | lol | 17:22 |
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| Anunakin | yes | 17:22 |
| Anunakin | a N810 | 17:22 |
| lardman | sorry, called away | 17:22 |
| GAN800 | File, file, file, johnx. | 17:22 |
| johnx | GAN800, ok, I'll try and get a short way to reproduce it | 17:23 |
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| lardman | johnx: did you update the initfs? | 17:23 |
| johnx | I believe not | 17:23 |
| GAN800 | I've got a few. timeless added a 4.1 just for this purpose. They wont have a chance of getting fixed _after_ release. ;) | 17:23 |
| lardman | johnx: ok | 17:23 |
| johnx | I'm using fanoush's chinook bootmenu initfs | 17:26 |
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| lardman | johnx: that's not diablo specific though is it? | 17:26 |
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| lardman | hi qwerty12, been getting in trouble again? ;) | 17:26 |
| qwerty12 | hi lardman, I have no idea what you are on about ;).... | 17:26 |
| * qwerty12 whistles | 17:26 | |
| skibur | i hope diablo is worth the wait | 17:26 |
| Anunakin | GAN800: Diablos (unlocked) runs at N810? | 17:26 |
| Anunakin | or I need a pass? | 17:26 |
| johnx | skibur, it depends on what you want from it... | 17:26 |
| lardman | Anunakin: you can't reboot, or at least I couldn't | 17:26 |
| qwerty12 | I've read 4/5 people use Diablo fine on N810, just reflash the Chinook kernel back | 17:27 |
| GAN800 | N810 == rx-44 but you need a password for the repo. | 17:27 |
| skibur | better browser and email client. easy way to update from versions | 17:27 |
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| lardman | qwerty12: interesting | 17:27 |
| Anunakin | hum ... then not way... | 17:28 |
| johnx | skibur, if you're using modest on chinook the only thing you're missing is apt-get'able software updates from Nokia | 17:28 |
| Anunakin | Johnx: can I use fanoush bootmenu with R&D mode ? | 17:28 |
| GAN800 | and the much improved application manager. | 17:29 |
| johnx | Anunakin, yes | 17:29 |
| johnx | GAN800, ah, right. there is that | 17:29 |
| GAN800 | and improved finger keyboard | 17:29 |
| Anunakin | but I need back to default boot to upgrade my FW...? | 17:29 |
| johnx | GAN800, what are you referring to? | 17:29 |
| johnx | that it actually shows up on a finger press? or something else? | 17:29 |
| skibur | not using modest, but standard email client from os2008 | 17:30 |
| GAN800 | The finger keyboard is easier to activate, use, and hit return from in Diablo | 17:30 |
| GAN800 | much improved xterm, too. | 17:30 |
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| skibur | ok now that is a nice feature | 17:30 |
| johnx | Anunakin, I'm not trying to be mean: if you don't understand what you're getting into, you shouldn't bother with diablo. there is a good chance you will just end up reflashing when it doesn't work. | 17:31 |
| qwerty12 | johnx +1 | 17:32 |
| johnx | heh... Anunakin, ask qwerty12 how many times he's had to reflash since trying diablo. :D | 17:33 |
| qwerty12 | But but but that's because I like to mess up my N800 :p | 17:33 |
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| * lardman tries to remember how he installed Diablo... :) | 17:33 | |
| GAN800 | Well, he's the mine detector for the rest of us. :P | 17:33 |
| qwerty12 | In that case, I'm probably dead several times over | 17:34 |
| johnx | and the parakeet in the coal mine, all rolled into one :D | 17:34 |
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| * aquatix pats qwerty12 - there's a good detector | 17:34 | |
| GAN800 | canary. . . . | 17:34 |
| * aquatix waits for final diablo flash ;) | 17:34 | |
| aquatix | ghehe | 17:34 |
| johnx | s/parakeet/canary/g | 17:34 |
| infobot | johnx meant: and the canary in the coal mine, all rolled into one :D | 17:34 |
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| johnx | GAN800, :P | 17:35 |
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| GAN800 | parakeet. . . . 'polly want a gas leak?' | 17:35 |
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| * qwerty12 hates mIRC & windows, I'm only using it to test out some stuff I want to run in school. After that, Linux and X-Chat for me :/ | 17:36 | |
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| johnx | qwerty12, new skr1ptz to haxx0r with? :P | 17:37 |
| aquatix | there are better clients for windows | 17:37 |
| aquatix | hydrairc for example | 17:37 |
| * aquatix just uses irssi ;) | 17:37 | |
| qwerty12 | johnx, naturally, I am a kiddie :P | 17:37 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix, I need to get that X-Chat for windows sometime :/ | 17:38 |
| aquatix | http://www.silverex.org/download/ | 17:38 |
| johnx | qwerty12, good luck wit t3h gibson | 17:38 |
| aquatix | there you go ;) | 17:38 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix, heh thanks | 17:38 |
| summatusmentis | aquatix: I use irssi too, but I need to figure out pgup in Terminal.app | 17:39 |
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| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, a mac? | 17:39 |
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| ccooke | summatusmentis: Escape-p/Escape-n for Pgup and Pgdn | 17:39 |
| johnx | qwerty12, at least a mac is a proper unix box :P | 17:39 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, I just boot into Linux and I have a proper unix box ;P | 17:40 |
| aquatix | summatusmentis: time for iterm? ;) | 17:40 |
| summatusmentis | ccooke: <3 <3 <3 <3 | 17:40 |
| qwerty12 | Besides, I hate iPhones, not macs | 17:40 |
| summatusmentis | ccooke: I ow you like 600 beers | 17:40 |
| ccooke | summatusmentis: and that will work on the tablets, too :-) | 17:40 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: yes <3 macbook | 17:40 |
| qwerty12 | cool | 17:40 |
| ccooke | (I use irssi everywhere) | 17:40 |
| aquatix | ccooke: me too | 17:40 |
| aquatix | i just run it in a screen session on my server | 17:40 |
| summatusmentis | ccooke: tables have a pgup pgdn softkey iin xterm | 17:40 |
| ccooke | yep | 17:41 |
| aquatix | very convenient :) | 17:41 |
| ccooke | summatusmentis: ah, I use an n810 - I disabled the softkeys for more screen space | 17:41 |
| summatusmentis | I use an n810 too, but I want tab | 17:41 |
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| summatusmentis | sort of a noob | 17:41 |
| ccooke | summatusmentis: Ctrl-I | 17:41 |
| summatusmentis | what's the key for esc? | 17:42 |
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| ccooke | summatusmentis: (ctrl-i is the keycode that the tab key generates, so that'll work everywhere) | 17:42 |
| aquatix | ccooke: what? | 17:42 |
| aquatix | i could just use ctrl+i | 17:42 |
| * aquatix tries | 17:42 | |
| ccooke | summatusmentis: the back hardware key | 17:42 |
| summatusmentis | ccooke: you're now my god | 17:42 |
| ccooke | same as ctrl-j is enter, ctrl-h is delete... | 17:43 |
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| * aquatix hugs ccooke | 17:43 | |
| qwerty12 | Does that mean you have to buy ccooke 1200 beers? | 17:43 |
| ccooke | *grin* | 17:43 |
| * aquatix dcc's ccooke some fine whisky | 17:43 | |
| summatusmentis | I'm in the US, so give me a few years | 17:43 |
| ccooke | Glad I could help :-) | 17:43 |
| aquatix | oh btw | 17:43 |
| aquatix | how can i disable that bar showing the keyboard mode | 17:44 |
| aquatix | abc/Abc/Fn and such | 17:44 |
| aquatix | it takes up way too much space | 17:44 |
| ccooke | aquatix: that's in the control panel | 17:44 |
| ccooke | *reminds himself* | 17:44 |
| aquatix | ah yeah, i think i even saw that once | 17:44 |
| hrhr | ccooke: some ctrl+<> for Ins? | 17:44 |
| ccooke | Text input settings -> Languages -> Settings | 17:45 |
| ccooke | Turn off all the checkboxes in there | 17:45 |
| ccooke | hrhr: don't think I've ever used that one | 17:46 |
| ccooke | hrhr: ctrl plus what? | 17:46 |
| aquatix | hm, but auto-capitalisation can be handy | 17:46 |
| aquatix | but i guess the bar won't go away then | 17:46 |
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| ccooke | aquatix: yeah | 17:47 |
| ccooke | also it screws up working in the terminal | 17:47 |
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| aquatix | the bar? it does | 17:47 |
| aquatix | i don't have auto capitalisation in the term | 17:47 |
| aquatix | if you meant that | 17:47 |
| aquatix | there, no stupid bar resizing my terminal | 17:48 |
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| qwerty12 | Hmm, anyone know where the svn repo for the make_rootimage.sh, dlocate.sh etc are now? https://stage.maemo.org/svn/integration/trunk/rootimagescripts/ has gone into oblivion. | 17:57 |
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| gentooer | has anyone updated the browser to a more recent firefox3 rendering engine? supposedly most of the performance tweaks got added to the later betas | 17:58 |
| qwerty12 | Dunno about that but Navi has some MicroB svn packages which boost the speed | 17:58 |
| qwerty12 | Nvr mind, found the scripts | 17:59 |
| johnx | gentooer, yup. that's what microb-svn is. check itt for packages | 18:01 |
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| johnx | it's not stable of course, yet :) | 18:01 |
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| gentooer | thank you :) | 18:04 |
| qwerty12 | Dunno about that, microb-svn was a whole lot better than this browserd stuff. | 18:04 |
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| gentooer | so is microb developed by the community or nokia? or both? | 18:05 |
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| inz | microb is developed by the mozilla community | 18:06 |
| gentooer | ah ok | 18:06 |
| johnx | and the UI part is done by nokia | 18:06 |
| qwerty12 | i.e browser-ui | 18:06 |
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| * qwerty12 new rootfs is flashing but I'm sure it isn't going to work, I jacked the /var/lib/dpkg from chinook :/ | 18:11 | |
| johnx | hmm | 18:11 |
| johnx | it probably won't know what's installed :/ | 18:11 |
| qwerty12 | It doesn't want to boot anyway :) | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | Either nokia's scripts or me :/ | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | I'll just reflash chinook and install the diablo apt :) | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | And then make a rootfs.jffs2 and carry on testing lardman's stuff | 18:13 |
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| * qwerty12 is positively shocked. straight after a reflash, gnome recognised my N800 as a Mass Storage and not a Music Player and it didn't bring up that POS rhythmbox. | 18:23 | |
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| summatusmentis | how does it differentiate? | 18:25 |
| qwerty12 | Well, I get a nice USB icon and gnome doesn't bring up rhythmbox which starts scanning 2 memory cards and 1 partition and slows everything down. | 18:26 |
| lardman | probably the presence of media files? | 18:34 |
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| qwerty12 | My memory cards had the same files on them before and after flashing | 18:35 |
| qwerty12 | i.e tv programs and music | 18:35 |
| lardman | oh, wierd | 18:35 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, I'm not complaining :) | 18:36 |
| lardman | qwerty12: I've just upgraded to diablo, will build a 3.28 bluez-utils, which has the same api as the .32 code afaict | 18:36 |
| qwerty12 | Brilliant | 18:36 |
| qwerty12 | Well, "This release fixes an alignment issue in the SDP server and introduces the new D-Bus API."# | 18:36 |
| qwerty12 | but I don't know if that is relevant | 18:37 |
| lardman | .28? or.32? | 18:37 |
| qwerty12 | That's from .29 onwards | 18:37 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: did you run into a missing osso-uri-110n-mr0 package, when installing diablo? | 18:37 |
| lardman | well I'm happy with whatever Nokia have tested to be honest, change in dbus api sounds painful | 18:37 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, no | 18:37 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, But Nokia do have .32 in their svn too :) | 18:38 |
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| lardman | yeah, but it will probably require lots of other things to be upgraded too (not lots, but some) | 18:38 |
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| lardman | I can't be bothered, I just want to work on sbc | 18:38 |
| lardman | is the N96 an omap2420 too? | 18:40 |
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| qwerty12 | I'm hoping that your svn code works on .32 :). Btw, do you have any new binaries. Here is what I wish to do, set up a2dp, install .32 and install the sbcenc.o for diablo. But do you have any updated binaries or will you build them with your release for .28? | 18:40 |
| lardman | I've updated the sbc code, so it shouldn't segfault anymore, well it might but it will be a different segfault | 18:41 |
| summatusmentis | oh... there's the issue, it erased my /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | 18:41 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, Sites are saying that it is but I hope not :/ | 18:41 |
| lardman | you can build your own .32 if you fancy it, otherwise I'll test using .28 and update the code as needed to work with that | 18:41 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, I'll just try out the .28 binaries, you know what you are doing | 18:42 |
| lardman | qwerty12: I was just wondering if it was an omap3xxx, whether Nokia were close to using that platform, etc. | 18:42 |
| lardman | qwerty12: Ok, I'll let you know how I get on | 18:42 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks | 18:42 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, I had the same problem, I think you can get back the defaults (if not, I'll give my .list file when I reinstall diablo) | 18:42 |
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| lardman | summatusmentis: yeah, annoying that, I then just added the certified* back in and told it to get on with it | 18:43 |
| summatusmentis | lardman: the certified* ?I'm not seeing certitifed*<anything> in /etc/apt | 18:44 |
| lardman | /etc/apt/source*/hildon* | 18:44 |
| lardman | something like that? | 18:44 |
| lardman | no file there? | 18:44 |
| summatusmentis | I just started typing my response in bash on my n810 | 18:45 |
| summatusmentis | there's nothing in the file there | 18:45 |
| lardman | ok, so add in: "deb http://blah ./" | 18:45 |
| summatusmentis | right, that's what I'm trying to find now :) | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, me just mirrors the latest diablo release and transfers the debs there and uses a little trick fiferboy told me to install with and then I add back the first mirror so I can get the leaked nokia internal stuff like nitro, ftd muhahahaha | 18:46 |
| lardman | not certified | 18:46 |
| lardman | catalogue, sorry | 18:46 |
| summatusmentis | lardman: the only file in /etc/apt/source*/hildon* is hildon-applicaiton-manager.list | 18:47 |
| summatusmentis | which is empty | 18:47 |
| johnx | in that file, you need to add some proper repositories | 18:48 |
| lardman | add that line to the empty file | 18:48 |
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| qwerty12 | Someone just share their diablo hildon-applicaiton-manager.list | 18:48 |
| lardman | the same line you added to it before you started the upgrade process | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | I'd do it but I'm on chinook atm | 18:48 |
| lardman | "deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo/ ./" | 18:48 |
| lardman | as in echo "as above" > hildon-applicaiton-manager.list | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | We are all copying each other with hildon-applicaiton-manager.list :P | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | s/hildon-applicaiton-manager.list/hildon-application-manager.list for correctness | 18:49 |
| lardman | well if it works, then that's fine by me | 18:49 |
| lardman | :) | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | I mean the spelling :) | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis spelled it wrong and I copied his spelling and then you copied the same word too :) | 18:50 |
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| lardman | ah, probably one of those contagious typos ;) | 18:50 |
| * qwerty12 is scared by bugzilla. I put on my blanket before entering the maemo bugzilla | 18:50 | |
| * lardman needs a spell-checker in his irc client | 18:51 | |
| johnx | lardman, xchat has one | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | & | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | ^ even | 18:51 |
| johnx | in fact, xchat has a spell checker that doesn't have the word xchat in its dictionary | 18:51 |
| lardman | xchat is not free on Windows and I use that at work | 18:51 |
| summatusmentis | thanks guys, it's working now | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, there is a free version built from source | 18:52 |
| lardman | + I can't be arsed to compile it myself | 18:52 |
| lardman | :) | 18:52 |
| summatusmentis | !@$# I should've been working on SoC | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | http://www.silverex.org/ | 18:52 |
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| qwerty12 | http://www.silverex.org - the reason no one bothers to crack the windows version | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | Btw, do we have disassemblers around without ethics? | 18:53 |
| lardman | ah ok, will install that eventually then | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | s/disassemblers/ people who can disassemble | 18:53 |
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| qwerty12 | Heh, I'm unsure about flight mode anymore :). Switchonbt can enable bluetooth in flight mode and icd has a option to enable wlan in flight mode. | 19:22 |
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| ido-- | hrm | 19:23 |
| ido-- | can anyone help me connecting a keyboard? | 19:23 |
| ido-- | to my n770 ? | 19:23 |
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| ido-- | can i connect it using a powered hub ? | 19:23 |
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| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, need a hildon-application-manager.list? I've reinstalled the latest version of diablo. | 19:31 |
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| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Ping? | 19:32 |
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| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Can you have a look at User:Dneary and tell me what you think of moving to 3 columns? | 19:32 |
| dneary | I'd like to do it tonight, if you agree | 19:32 |
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| qwerty12 | Does anyone know if that tracker port is still being worked on? | 19:35 |
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| summatusmentis | qwerty12: no, I think it's fixed, but I might need it again :) | 19:37 |
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| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, ok :) | 19:38 |
| qwerty12 | I need to enable redpill but my settings hiding >.< | 19:38 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: are you installing via the repo, like everyone else? | 19:38 |
| summatusmentis | just use apt-get | 19:38 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, I know how to install diablo ;). I'm mirroring the debs onto a mmc | 19:38 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: no, I know you know how to install debian | 19:40 |
| summatusmentis | s/debian/diablo/ | 19:40 |
| infobot | summatusmentis meant: qwerty12: no, I know you know how to install diablo | 19:40 |
| summatusmentis | I meant use apt-get instead of redpill | 19:40 |
| qwerty12 | Ah sorry, I may have to. Stupid application manager wont show me the settings. I think Nokia crippled it on purpose, I'll install my legal message removal mod and try again :) | 19:41 |
| summatusmentis | erm... double desktops?? | 19:43 |
| qwerty12 | It happens during install, I just reboot | 19:43 |
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| summatusmentis | I didn't get to completely install though... :-/ | 19:45 |
| qwerty12 | I've installed it 8 times and I've only had 2 failed installs, what's your problem? | 19:45 |
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| summatusmentis | I think it keeps resetting the source list, and then removes the user/pass | 19:51 |
| qwerty12 | Put the diablo repo with user/pass in /etc/apt/sources.list | 19:52 |
| qwerty12 | not the hildon-application-manager.list | 19:52 |
| summatusmentis | oh... that would make the difference I suppose :) | 19:53 |
| qwerty12 | As the hildon-application-manager.list gets over written while installing, it kinda defeats the point :P | 19:53 |
| qwerty12 | (I did the same thing once :)) | 19:53 |
| summatusmentis | yeah... noone tells you that :) | 19:53 |
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| qwerty12 | But I just mirror the repo onto a memory card so I don't have to fuss around with the user & pass and shove a line in sources.list, never failed for me yet | 19:54 |
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| * qwerty12 loves having nitro and ftd | 19:54 | |
| qwerty12 | 19:54 | |
| qwerty12 | me loves doing that | 19:54 |
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| ryoohki | any deals on the new n810 wimax edition anywhere? | 20:10 |
| lardman | any news on the release date? | 20:10 |
| qwerty12 | I was unaware it was out 0.o | 20:10 |
| ryoohki | http://www.google.com/products?q=nokia+n810+wimax+edition&oe=utf-8&scoring=p | 20:11 |
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| qwerty12 | The only one proper result I see is a preorder | 20:12 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, i like the 'Unlocked Cell Phone' one | 20:12 |
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| ryoohki | http://www.provantage.com/nokia-02700t6~4NKIA1EA.htm | 20:12 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, hello KotCzarny, never see you hiding in the background :D :) | 20:12 |
| KotCzarny | hi hi | 20:12 |
| KotCzarny | i'm always lurking | 20:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:12 |
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| ryoohki | if these are all preoders than when is it due out>? | 20:12 |
| KotCzarny | it will be when it will be | 20:13 |
| johnx | the reason it's hard to find release info is because no one knows | 20:13 |
| johnx | I could make up a random date if you like though. :D | 20:13 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, like 2008Q3 | 20:13 |
| johnx | or yesterday | 20:13 |
| lardman | yesterday, cool, so diablo is out now! ;) | 20:14 |
| KotCzarny | or the day after tomorrow | 20:14 |
| KotCzarny | lardman: not now but yesterday | 20:14 |
| qwerty12 | tomorrow never comes | 20:14 |
| KotCzarny | and today it's again now out | 20:14 |
| qwerty12 | until it's too late | 20:14 |
| lardman | KotCzarny: damn, missed it | 20:14 |
| KotCzarny | s/now/not | 20:14 |
| Navi | I need a remote control for life | 20:15 |
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| qwerty12 | Meh, the N810W is just a niche thing to me, I live in london, who tf has heard about WiMAX here? :P. I'm waiting for the real thing, N900 | 20:15 |
| Navi | can someone make one for the N8X0? | 20:15 |
| KotCzarny | navi: bt | 20:15 |
| KotCzarny | i mean bt--irda | 20:16 |
| Navi | That's a remote for TVs and shtick :| | 20:16 |
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| Navi | I want one for _life_ | 20:16 |
| lardman | don't buy rental tvs? | 20:17 |
| lardman | ;) | 20:17 |
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| qwerty12 | Ask Adam Sandler for the one in Click then | 20:17 |
| NullM0dem | lol | 20:18 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, I'm gonna make a rootfs.jffs2 backup and then I'd be happy to test out whatever on 3.32 tomorrow :) | 20:18 |
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| KotCzarny | navi: then just install irda--life adapter too | 20:18 |
| Navi | ah, I see | 20:18 |
| Navi | Sweet. | 20:18 |
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| lardman | qwerty12: may as well stick with .28 until Nokia release it imo | 20:19 |
| qwerty12 | Well, "Release of bluez-libs-3.32 and bluez-utils-3.32.This release fixes some bugs in the input and audio support" | 20:19 |
| qwerty12 | fixes in audio support is good for me :) | 20:20 |
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| edistar | is it possible to install gcc in maemo? | 20:20 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 20:20 |
| edistar | KotCzarny: how? | 20:20 |
| lardman | qwerty12: fair enough | 20:20 |
| KotCzarny | install/enable proper repo, then just install what you want | 20:21 |
| edistar | KotCzarny: how do I know which repo to use? | 20:21 |
| qwerty12 | edistar, add the maemo chinook sdk repo and apt-get install build-essential for the easy way out | 20:21 |
| KotCzarny | and don't forget to disable that repo when you are done | 20:21 |
| qwerty12 | edistar, gronmayer (link in this channel's topic) | 20:21 |
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| edistar | qwerty12: I am running OS 2007 HE | 20:22 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, the Bora SDK repo then? | 20:22 |
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| qwerty12 | (If Bora = OS2007) | 20:22 |
| lardman | well sbcenc works without problems :) | 20:23 |
| KotCzarny | wow | 20:23 |
| johnx | woo! | 20:23 |
| qwerty12 | That's brilliant :) | 20:23 |
| KotCzarny | lardman, what was the cause? | 20:23 |
| lardman | time to try installing the updated bluez | 20:23 |
| qwerty12 | Now how about with mplayer? :) | 20:23 |
| lardman | KotCzarny: I still don;t know what's wrong with the 3.20 version, I've installed diablo which has the same api as .32 on which I based the dsp code | 20:24 |
| qwerty12 | (not rushing, I'm just wondering if it works: :)) | 20:24 |
| lardman | qwerty12: getting there :) | 20:24 |
| qwerty12 | Great, thanks for the work and everything :) | 20:24 |
| qwerty12 | I wonder if Nokia will put your work in the final diablo? (If they do, they damn sure better credit you for doing the work nokia can't be arsed to do) | 20:25 |
| qwerty12 | Or if not final diablo, next os :/ | 20:25 |
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| edistar | qwerty12: dont seem to find the right repo | 20:26 |
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| kulve | lardman: about installing 3rd party dsp plugins: http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1943 | 20:27 |
| qwerty12 | I'm a bad debian packager so I'd just use an echo line or sed... | 20:27 |
| lardman | kulve: is that the one about an api to make changes to dsp_dld_avs.conf? | 20:28 |
| kulve | lardman: yes | 20:28 |
| kulve | lardman: not sure about the "api" part though.. A method anyway | 20:28 |
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| lardman | kulve: yeah, might be of use, but not necesarily for Nokia to do, we could just as easily come up with some way | 20:30 |
| kulve | one could actually do a separate package that implements what I've suggested there.. | 20:32 |
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| kulve | it's of course easier to do with sed in the postinst/rm scripts but I guess those are more eager to cause weird problems | 20:33 |
| lardman | alsa-lib: pcm_bluetooth.c:1589:(bluetooth_init) BT_GETCAPABILITIES failed : Input/output error(5) | 20:34 |
| lardman | kulve: yeah, certainly something to look at. My sed skills are not too wonderful though | 20:34 |
| lardman | right, not sure what that error is all about, but I have to go do the washing up | 20:35 |
| qwerty12 | Not sure if it is related but I do have libasound2 recompiled with the bluez 3.32 and vice versa | 20:35 |
| lardman | will be back in a bit to track it down - might be some call into the decoder state that is not used by sbcenc, but which is by the main a2dp code | 20:35 |
| KotCzarny | kulve: or grep -v and echo >> | 20:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:35 |
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| kulve | KotCzarny: yeah, but implementing things like (if line foo doesn't exist, add it) etc are a bit ugly.. | 20:36 |
| kulve | hard to read and easy to cause problems if you grep happens to match some other 3rd party app | 20:36 |
| KotCzarny | sed will do the same | 20:36 |
| kulve | I'm doing that with sed (iirc) in ogg-supports postinst/rm scripts, but like I said, I think it's very ugly :) | 20:37 |
| KotCzarny | but it works | 20:37 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 20:37 |
| qwerty12 | Bye all. | 20:37 |
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| kulve | at least for most ;) | 20:37 |
| KotCzarny | who is complaining ;) | 20:38 |
| kulve | if some other package tries to add ogg there too, then we are in trouble | 20:38 |
| KotCzarny | that's what 'conflicts' in .debs are for | 20:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:38 |
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| kulve | I can't foresee what conflicting packages others might implement. And people might not bother to put my package to conflicts -list as it's not official maemo package | 20:39 |
| KotCzarny | that's what bugzilla is for | 20:40 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 20:40 |
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| RST38h | Kot | 20:46 |
| RST38h | kulve | 20:47 |
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| KotCzarny | whut? | 20:47 |
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| kulve | whut? | 20:47 |
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| RST38h | nuthin | 20:52 |
| KotCzarny | nutt. | 20:52 |
| kulve | nutt. | 20:53 |
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| Mikho | you have a secret speech or sth? | 20:57 |
| KotCzarny | nupe. | 20:57 |
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| lcuk | sudo find /house -name "n810" | 21:07 |
| lcuk | has anyone in here seen my nokia? | 21:08 |
| KotCzarny | it's where you put it yesterday before sleep | 21:08 |
| lcuk | i only had it earlier on the way home :S | 21:08 |
| KotCzarny | check in the car then | 21:09 |
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| lcuk | hmm (I) ahhh | 21:09 |
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| lcuk | it was in the tins cupboard :S | 21:10 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 21:10 |
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| * lcuk doesnt normally have such a mental block | 21:11 | |
| lcuk | arent you up early kot? | 21:11 |
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| KotCzarny | kind of | 21:12 |
| KotCzarny | i got sleepy early | 21:12 |
| KotCzarny | and because of that i wasn't able to sleep all day long | 21:12 |
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| lcuk | yer it throws everything out | 21:13 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 21:13 |
| lcuk | hi andy80 | 21:13 |
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| * lcuk dives straight into shed tonight | 21:15 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:15 |
| KotCzarny | breakfast time | 21:15 |
| * KotCzarny kills a banana | 21:15 | |
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| lcuk | is there any way for the compiler to create a jumptable with function names as char * from a file its compiled so i can see it from code, or would this need me to make a special took to generate it for me | 21:18 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 21:19 |
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| KotCzarny | debug symbols? | 21:19 |
| lcuk | ie, i have a list of functions which should be available in a menu, but i dont want to have to maintain the function and the jumptable | 21:19 |
| lcuk | if i add a new function it should be usable - but debug symbols would work ... | 21:20 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 21:20 |
| lcuk | they give offsets and names - but i would have to parse the elf myself at runtime (which isnt that bad) | 21:20 |
| KotCzarny | i think jumptables for functions are possible | 21:20 |
| KotCzarny | i mean tables | 21:20 |
| lcuk | jumptables are fine, but i have to create the function in one file, go to the jumptable file, add the new entry and compile both files. i just want the table autogenerated and include global functions with a particular pattern | 21:22 |
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| mgedmin | lcuk: add a makefile rule to do something with perl and nm | 21:23 |
| lcuk | i guess i have been pampered with *spit*, but activex for all its deficiencies did allow public instpection and calling of custom interfaces | 21:23 |
| mgedmin | or maybe not nm | 21:23 |
| Maximander | so my new 810 just showed up | 21:24 |
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| johnx | cool | 21:24 |
| Maximander | my desktop (hardy) sees it as a 2g removable storage | 21:24 |
| KotCzarny | and? | 21:24 |
| Maximander | but gpartd wants to write a disklable and format it | 21:25 |
| Maximander | is that ok? | 21:25 |
| lcuk | ok mgedmin, lets see if i understand (memory lesson) make calls whichever tools are required to perform functions to make the project. if one of those tools (with correct params) can parse and produce a c source file containing the jumptable then i win :D ? | 21:25 |
| KotCzarny | Maximander: factory partition table is broken, remove, recreate | 21:25 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, it's not in all cases | 21:25 |
| lcuk | (and obviously include the generated file in the normal c rules) | 21:25 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: name one? | 21:26 |
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| johnx | is that a question? | 21:26 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: wild guess: preprocessing? (cpp) | 21:26 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: yeah | 21:26 |
| mgedmin | lcuk: yes | 21:26 |
| KotCzarny | as far as i saw people's reports all of them were broken | 21:26 |
| Maximander | out of the box, what filesystems does it support? ntfs? ext3? | 21:27 |
| johnx | people don't complain unless their device is broken | 21:27 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: yeah, corruption | 21:27 |
| johnx | Maximander, fat16/32, ext2/3 | 21:27 |
| Maximander | thanks | 21:27 |
| jott | lcuk: can't you use dlopen/dlsym? | 21:27 |
| lcuk | yes KotCzarny :) and thank you mgedmin, ill look into that. the good thing if i do it as a c file would be if the intermediate step isnt available it can be edited by hand | 21:27 |
| KotCzarny | maximinder: any filesystem as long you copy proper modules to it | 21:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:27 |
| Maximander | at least something that supports symlinks | 21:27 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, what I'm saying is, you wouldn't hear any complaints from people with working devices | 21:27 |
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| Maximander | well, I need to get it on wireless before I can install anything | 21:28 |
| lcuk | hi jott :) dlopen/dlsym? | 21:28 |
| * lcuk googles | 21:28 | |
| KotCzarny | johnx: they may not know, but eveyone with n810 i asked had it | 21:28 |
| jott | lcuk: http://linux.die.net/man/3/dlopen | 21:28 |
| jott | see the example | 21:28 |
| johnx | Maximander, just check before formatting :) | 21:29 |
| johnx | some (all?) n810s have a parition that extends beyond the physical device | 21:29 |
| Maximander | will the extra writes of ext3's journal cause any real lifetime reduction to the solid state storage? | 21:29 |
| lcuk | jott! bless you and your linux skills - i've been pondering how i would do that, but thats not this specific problem though it will be VERY helpful when i do allow full proper modules eventually | 21:30 |
| johnx | all writes reduce the lifetime of flash storage | 21:30 |
| KotCzarny | but not that much | 21:31 |
| KotCzarny | and vfat is worse anyway | 21:31 |
| johnx | I would be a little worried about using a journal on the built in card, since it can't be replaced | 21:31 |
| johnx | I absolutely abuse my SD cards though :) | 21:31 |
| * lcuk calls the police on johnx | 21:31 | |
| MangoFusion_ | johnx: how long do they last usually? | 21:32 |
| * Maximander reformats again, back to ext2 | 21:32 | |
| KotCzarny | depends on abuse | 21:32 |
| KotCzarny | ext2 could be worse | 21:32 |
| KotCzarny | in some usage patterns | 21:32 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 21:32 |
| johnx | MangoFusion_, my cards? I only had one die completely so far | 21:32 |
| johnx | I swapped heavily to it while using it as the rootfs for my zaurus | 21:32 |
| Maximander | isn't ext3 pretty much just ext2 + journal? | 21:32 |
| johnx | I'm not 100% sure that killed it though | 21:33 |
| johnx | Maximander, yes | 21:33 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, but fsck often | 21:33 |
| KotCzarny | and nits are prone to sudden reboots | 21:33 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 21:33 |
| johnx | also, mount it with noatime and possibly nodiratime | 21:33 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: noatime doesn't imply nodiratime? | 21:33 |
| johnx | no idea | 21:34 |
| johnx | hence, possibly | 21:34 |
| johnx | :P | 21:34 |
| KotCzarny | there is no nodiratime in mount manual even | 21:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:34 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, google, first result has your answer :P | 21:34 |
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| KotCzarny | yeah | 21:35 |
| KotCzarny | implies | 21:35 |
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| lcuk | is there a list of which processes are monitored by the watchdog? | 21:45 |
| mgedmin | I think you can find them by grepping for dsme in /etc/init.d/* | 21:46 |
| * mgedmin wonders why his tablet is offline | 21:47 | |
| KotCzarny | wifi sometimes hangs | 21:47 |
| mgedmin | is online now, hm | 21:47 |
| * jott thinks the mgedmins watchdog just knew what would happen :) | 21:47 | |
| KotCzarny | to the point of reconnecting it manually | 21:47 |
| lcuk | thx marius :) you are offline because the watchdog knew you were talking about it ;) | 21:48 |
| mgedmin | it sufficed to unlock the keys and touch the screen | 21:48 |
| jott | lcuk: hehe same stupid thought ;) | 21:48 |
| lcuk | as long as i wasnt the only one | 21:48 |
| mgedmin | IIRC you start the daemon with dsmetool when you want dsme (the process watchdog) to watch ror it | 21:49 |
| mgedmin | s/ror/for | 21:49 |
| * mgedmin waits | 21:49 | |
| mgedmin | no more sed-bots? yay! | 21:49 |
| KotCzarny | you forgot ending slash | 21:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:49 |
| mgedmin | not needed in vi! | 21:49 |
| mgedmin | vi rules! | 21:49 |
| KotCzarny | but everywhere else it's needed :) | 21:50 |
| summatusmentis | especially in your mom | 21:51 |
| * summatusmentis is done being crdue | 21:52 | |
| summatusmentis | s/crdue/crude/ | 21:52 |
| summatusmentis | I quitt a typings | 21:52 |
| mgedmin | no infobot yay! | 21:53 |
| killfill | hey guys.. anyone uses canola as "internet radio" player?... i.e. to hear a ogg stream? | 21:53 |
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| summatusmentis | what does r&d mode do? Is there a reason I should turn it off? | 21:54 |
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| KotCzarny | yeah, it's not needed | 21:54 |
| KotCzarny | for one it introduces boot delay | 21:54 |
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| summatusmentis | so does fanoush's boot meny | 21:55 |
| summatusmentis | menu* | 21:55 |
| zuh | I hear it also disables some power management functions | 21:55 |
| zuh | So if you don't require it, it's not a good thing to have on... | 21:55 |
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| summatusmentis | hmm | 21:57 |
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| lcuk | dyslexics of the world untie! | 22:00 |
| KotCzarny | dyxlesics! | 22:00 |
| johnx | procrastinators of the world unite...maybe tomorrow... | 22:01 |
| KotCzarny | but wasn't it dyslectics? | 22:01 |
| lcuk | why on earth did they make the name of their condition such a long word? | 22:01 |
| KotCzarny | just because | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | if you like you can call them dysli | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | or dixie | 22:02 |
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| johnx | thanks for your permission :P | 22:03 |
| * KotCzarny nods | 22:03 | |
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| Anunakin | any here working with scratchbox? | 22:04 |
| KotCzarny | probably everyone | 22:04 |
| Anunakin | ok | 22:05 |
| Anunakin | I trying to use qemu with poky patchs for N800... but it not running | 22:05 |
| Anunakin | not running with scratchbox | 22:06 |
| KotCzarny | why do you need poky patches? | 22:06 |
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| Anunakin | I think this need another patchs | 22:06 |
| Anunakin | because I getting errors like it: | 22:06 |
| KotCzarny | get your quemu from: http://scratchbox.org/~jhakala/unofficial/ | 22:07 |
| Anunakin | qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - exiting | 22:07 |
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| KotCzarny | and use qemu-eabi-cvs-m | 22:07 |
| KotCzarny | or whatever it shows like | 22:07 |
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| johnx | KotCzarny, I don't see qemu at that link.. | 22:08 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: it's in one of those toolchains | 22:08 |
| johnx | ah | 22:08 |
| Anunakin | KotCzarny, this link not have qemu!!! but thanks this have newer gcc tools | 22:09 |
| KotCzarny | (probably) | 22:09 |
| Anunakin | I using this qemu ... | 22:09 |
| Anunakin | KotCzarny, this link not have qemu!!! but thanks this have newer gcc tools | 22:09 |
| Anunakin | http://setanta.wordpress.com/2007/11/20/qemu-arm-eabi-no-scratchbox/ | 22:09 |
| KotCzarny | old. | 22:09 |
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| Anunakin | form svn | 22:09 |
| KotCzarny | still old | 22:09 |
| Anunakin | vn co https://qemu-arm-eabi.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/qemu-arm-eabi/trunk qemu-arm-eabi | 22:10 |
| Anunakin | svn co https://qemu-arm-eabi.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/qemu-arm-eabi/trunk qemu-arm-eabi | 22:10 |
| KotCzarny | and doesn't work for you | 22:10 |
| Anunakin | no | 22:10 |
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| Anunakin | qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - exiting | 22:10 |
| Anunakin | with some apps | 22:10 |
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| Anunakin | and at compile time | 22:10 |
| Anunakin | Is it same as your qemu? | 22:11 |
| KotCzarny | ? | 22:11 |
| KotCzarny | [sbox-chexp: ~] > qemu-arm-cvs-m -V | 22:12 |
| KotCzarny | qemu-arm version 0.9.0-cvs, Copyright (c) 2003-2007 Fabrice Bellard | 22:12 |
| KotCzarny | well, maybe mine is older :) | 22:13 |
| KotCzarny | but works | 22:13 |
| johnx | also, I really doubt any of the file on that page you linked have qemu in them... | 22:13 |
| KotCzarny | johnx, i got it from that page | 22:14 |
| KotCzarny | maybe it was moved to official | 22:14 |
| johnx | could you run dpkg -S qemu-arm-cvs-m | 22:14 |
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| KotCzarny | i installed it from .tar.gz | 22:14 |
| KotCzarny | because i don't run debian | 22:14 |
| Anunakin | [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~] > qemu-arm-eabi-sb2 | 22:15 |
| Anunakin | qemu-arm version 0.9.0-cvs, Copyright (c) 2003-2007 Fabrice Bellard | 22:15 |
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| lardman | re | 22:16 |
| Anunakin | my qemu runs x48 emulator .... | 22:16 |
| Anunakin | qemu-arm-cvs-m not run | 22:16 |
| Anunakin | johnx, I think the qemu with N800 patchs from poky project is better to compile and test apps | 22:17 |
| Anunakin | but this not runs with sbos | 22:18 |
| Anunakin | sbox | 22:18 |
| johnx | ok | 22:18 |
| Anunakin | this need a param | 22:18 |
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| Anunakin | -M n800 to run | 22:18 |
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| Anunakin | Look it: | 22:24 |
| Anunakin | qemu-arm-n800-poky | 22:24 |
| Anunakin | qemu-arm version 0.9.1, Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard | 22:24 |
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| ds3 | is the N800 patches going to be submitted back? | 22:24 |
| gourdin | hi guys | 22:25 |
| gourdin | anyone knows when diablo will be released ? | 22:25 |
| kulve | no | 22:25 |
| gourdin | just kidding GeneralAntilles | 22:25 |
| gourdin | :) | 22:25 |
| ds3 | they are NOT going to be submitted back? | 22:25 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: diablo isn't nearly as exciting as you make it out to be :) | 22:25 |
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| johnx | summatusmentis, I tried to tell you | 22:26 |
| summatusmentis | lol | 22:26 |
| johnx | ds3, I'm sure that was aimed at gourdin | 22:26 |
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| ds3 | okie | 22:26 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, though at least you have modest now and can remove the old email client | 22:27 |
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| summatusmentis | johnx: I've got two different installs | 22:27 |
| johnx | ah, clever | 22:28 |
| johnx | I need to buy a couple more SD cards so I have space to play | 22:28 |
| summatusmentis | that's thanks to GeneralAntilles | 22:28 |
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| summatusmentis | or an n810 | 22:28 |
| johnx | sd cards seem cheaper :) | 22:28 |
| ds3 | have the supplies of cheap N800s dried up yet? | 22:28 |
| ds3 | (new ones) | 22:28 |
| MangoFusion__ | diablo pales in comparison to the windows ce emulator. http://www.cuppadev.co.uk/10062008330.jpg | 22:28 |
| MangoFusion__ | ...or maybe not | 22:29 |
| MangoFusion__ | ;) | 22:29 |
| johnx | heh | 22:29 |
| KotCzarny | who would need such atrocity.. | 22:29 |
| KotCzarny | it's vnc though | 22:29 |
| MangoFusion__ | shhh | 22:29 |
| lardman | anyone know what provides the audioservice_send() fn? | 22:29 |
| Anunakin | when I try exec, any arm apps... this poky patched qemu ... back the help screen | 22:30 |
| MangoFusion__ | though who knows, maybe it would be a good reference point for crap ;) | 22:30 |
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| Anunakin | lol!! Windows ME on N800... hahaha | 22:31 |
| Anunakin | low res ... and many unsolved-ever bugs | 22:32 |
| johnx | Anunakin, are you running qemu-system-arm or qemu-arm? | 22:33 |
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| summatusmentis | Anunakin: you can run Palm OS on n8x0 ... | 22:35 |
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| KotCzarny | and now we are resuming with the program.. | 22:36 |
| summatusmentis | either the n800 is huge, or that person has really small hands | 22:37 |
| * johnx wants a stuffed animal or baseball cap for his donation | 22:37 | |
| KotCzarny | stuffed baseball cap? | 22:37 |
| zap | stuffed animal cap | 22:38 |
| lcuk | lardman https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/connectivity/bluez-utils/tags/bluez-utils-3.23-0osso1/audio/pcm_bluetooth.c | 22:38 |
| summatusmentis | KotCzarny: what program? | 22:38 |
| KotCzarny | summa: after the break for out sponsors | 22:38 |
| KotCzarny | s/out/our | 22:38 |
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| summatusmentis | KotCzarny: I'm lost, whatever :) | 22:40 |
| lardman | lcuk: Thanks. I thought I'd looked in that file, as that's where the error occurs. Hmm :) | 22:40 |
| lcuk | maybe version specific | 22:41 |
| lcuk | or just search up/down doozy ;) | 22:41 |
| lardman | yeah, user error :D | 22:41 |
| lcuk | google knew anyway :) | 22:41 |
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| lcuk | not enough wine | 22:41 |
| lardman | too true | 22:42 |
| lardman | :) | 22:42 |
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| lardman | the only problem with drinking (wine/beer/etc) is that although your code is really good, sneaky and quick, you can't understand how it works when sober | 22:42 |
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| lcuk | i dont have that trouble. its so rare im sober it always makes sense :P | 22:43 |
| lardman | lol | 22:43 |
| * lcuk gets on and makes a calendar | 22:43 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, I guess it depends on your perspective. ;) | 22:49 |
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| lardman | looks like handle_getcapabilities_req() in unix.c from bluez-utils*/audio/ is where my failure is happening | 22:50 |
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| lcuk | lardman, im glad you have started to discover the solution ;) | 22:52 |
| lardman | lcuk: It's like searching in a thick fog of not-knowingness | 22:53 |
| lcuk | in situations like this there is only one thing to do: printf("1..."); printf("2..."); printf("3..."); printf("4..."); printf("5..."); printf("6..."); | 22:54 |
| lardman | lol, exactly what I'm doing now.... | 22:54 |
| lcuk | it took an entire afternoon of reasoning to get a colleague to do that before identifying his bug 2 minutes later | 22:55 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 22:55 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, printf debugging ftw! | 22:55 |
| * lcuk gets frustrated with cow orker | 22:55 | |
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| lardman | KotCzarny: If only dbg were friendlier | 22:56 |
| lcuk | can we have proper real true debugging on this device? | 22:56 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 22:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:56 |
| * lcuk never asked because im used to working blind | 22:56 | |
| lardman | someone write a how to, I've heard stories of being able to step through lines of code, but never worked out how | 22:56 |
| KotCzarny | but someone will have to write it | 22:56 |
| lardman | :) | 22:57 |
| KotCzarny | lardman: gdb used to allow that | 22:57 |
| lardman | past tense? | 22:57 |
| lcuk | yer, i need to work out how to draw line numbers first though | 22:57 |
| KotCzarny | but there's no gdb for arm afair | 22:57 |
| lardman | ah yes | 22:57 |
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| qos | does somebody know how to disable a applet by console? | 22:58 |
| KotCzarny | kill | 22:59 |
| KotCzarny | or killall | 22:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Anybody using a Bluetooth keyboard with Diablo? | 23:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, where's my plugin? :( | 23:05 |
| qos | GeneralAntilles, It is not released yet, right? | 23:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, it's not released, but plenty of people have it. | 23:05 |
| qos | is it usable? | 23:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it's pretty much fine. | 23:06 |
| qos | What are the mayor improvements in short? | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | qos, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet_OS#Diablo | 23:07 |
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| gentooer | can someone explain why booting from a SD card is supposed to be faster then booting from internal flash? | 23:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not a compressed filesystem. | 23:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | The speedup is pretty much only noticeable at boot, though. | 23:12 |
| KotCzarny | depends on speed of your sd card | 23:12 |
| KotCzarny | some are slower, some are faster | 23:12 |
| gentooer | hdparm puts the SD card at ~9-10MB/s and the internal flash at 14-15MB/s | 23:12 |
| Anunakin | "GOOD" SD cards are fasters | 23:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, if you've got a crappy card that can factor into it. | 23:12 |
| gentooer | so can't i just install ext2 or something on the internal flash? | 23:12 |
| * KotCzarny has a kingstons with ~4mb/s rating | 23:12 | |
| GeneralAntilles | If you want to burn it out, sure. | 23:13 |
| KotCzarny | but i still prefer sd booting | 23:13 |
| gentooer | yeah i applied the high speed patch | 23:13 |
| gentooer | ok guess i'll give it a try | 23:13 |
| qos | GeneralAntilles, Is there still the read only filesystem on it? i mean the filesystem where normally to place kernel modules... i dont remember the exact location, its long ago. | 23:13 |
| KotCzarny | gentooer: internal flash (onenand) doesn't have wear levelling | 23:13 |
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| MangoFusion__ | i tend to get the impression that my os2008 on sd card runs slower than on the flash. maybe i borked the install, i have no idea | 23:13 |
| KotCzarny | that's the reason for jffs2 | 23:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | qos, what, qos? | 23:13 |
| gentooer | ah | 23:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | -extra qos | 23:14 |
| KotCzarny | 256mb one | 23:14 |
| KotCzarny | 2gb in n810 is a soldered sd card | 23:14 |
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| KotCzarny | but what quality or features.. | 23:14 |
| KotCzarny | nobody knows | 23:14 |
| KotCzarny | anyone tried to identify it with hdparm -i ? | 23:14 |
| n800m | class 6 is 6 mb/s, right? | 23:14 |
| qos | GeneralAntilles, a long time a ago i wanted to put a kernel module on the device. the directory where normally to place the module was read only because of the ... ??? i dont remember :) | 23:15 |
| KotCzarny | n800m: or better | 23:15 |
| n800m | cool, that's what i have | 23:15 |
| gentooer | n800m, yeah usually better though | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | qos, you can install kernel modules just fine. :\ | 23:15 |
| gentooer | mine are class6 but i think the n800 is the limiting factor at about 10MB/s | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | n800m, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sd_card#SDHC | 23:15 |
| qos | GeneralAntilles, in those days i had to place it in /usr/share/appname/module.ko | 23:16 |
| KotCzarny | bah | 23:16 |
| KotCzarny | /lib/modules/_release_/misc/ is the place | 23:17 |
| qos | i know ... but in these days it this place was just read only ... thats what i can remember | 23:17 |
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| qos | if this has changed i will releas sshfs for publicity | 23:18 |
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| KotCzarny | don't confuse with one in /mnt/initfs | 23:18 |
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| KotCzarny | if you prepare modules.dep for it that will have an added bonus | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | intelligently though | 23:19 |
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| qos | is there somebody who uses UMTS via bluetooth with his N8XX? | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | HSDPA | 23:22 |
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| qos | GeneralAntilles, fine ... can u send me the output for "ifconfig" via pastebin? | 23:23 |
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| qos | I am writing a traffic counter tool ... | 23:23 |
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| KotCzarny | use /proc/dev/net/ | 23:24 |
| KotCzarny | or something | 23:24 |
| qos | /proc/net/dev ;) | 23:24 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 23:24 |
| KotCzarny | but you know what i mean | 23:24 |
| qos | why do you want to use /proc/net/dev? any special reasons? | 23:25 |
| KotCzarny | you don't have to exec ifconfig | 23:26 |
| KotCzarny | to count traffic | 23:26 |
| KotCzarny | simply open/read | 23:26 |
| qos | GeneralAntilles, and the output of "cat /proc/net/dev" would be great too... | 23:26 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 23:26 |
| KotCzarny | you need only interface name | 23:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:27 |
| KotCzarny | format is the same for any net device | 23:27 |
| qos | KotCzarny, yeah and therefore i want these outputs ... | 23:27 |
| qos | i dont know what name the new device gets ... | 23:27 |
| KotCzarny | then ignore known lines | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | ie lo, comments | 23:28 |
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| * GeneralAntilles is currently trying to get a core-dump from a Bluetooth-related hildon-desktop crash. | 23:28 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Sorry, not right now. | 23:28 |
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| qos | what is the lo device good for? | 23:42 |
| lcuk | saying lo to other devies | 23:43 |
| unique311 | loopback? | 23:43 |
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| qos | yeah .. | 23:43 |
| n800m | hey i'm trying to edit a python file through emelfm | 23:44 |
| n800m | but i ned root | 23:44 |
| lcuk | unique311, :) havent seen you in a long time. i think you were the first person i spoke to in irc here and i said i was gonna write some kind of graphics program | 23:44 |
| n800m | is the only way to do it in terminal? | 23:44 |
| unique311 | yep. | 23:44 |
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| unique311 | I still have my n800 | 23:44 |
| mgedmin | qos: interprocess communication | 23:45 |
| mgedmin | some programs use unix domain sockets, others use tcp/ip sockets over loopback | 23:45 |
| unique311 | lcuk, mtpaint and mypaint are pretty usable now. | 23:45 |
| lcuk | :) unique, have you not seen what i can do then? | 23:46 |
| qos | something like that i was thinking too, so if you are writing a traffic counter you should ignore this device, right? | 23:46 |
| unique311 | lcuk, liqbase | 23:47 |
| unique311 | I saw the video | 23:47 |
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| lcuk | good good :) | 23:47 |
| KotCzarny | qos: i wrote a /proc/net/dev parser in bash, perl and php | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | by default it gets eth0 | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | but has an option for -i | 23:49 |
| qos | the bash one would intrest me ;) | 23:50 |
| KotCzarny | let me find it then | 23:50 |
| mgedmin | heh | 23:50 |
| mgedmin | I had to do that too for my openwrt router | 23:50 |
| mgedmin | and then I discovered /bin/sh can't handle 32-bit unsigned numbers | 23:50 |
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| KotCzarny | mgedmin: for openwrt use bwm | 23:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:51 |
| * mgedmin googles bwm | 23:51 | |
| rm_you | lcuk: wtf *is* libqbase? | 23:51 |
| rm_you | everyone (you included) keeps talking about it | 23:52 |
| rm_you | alli saw was a cool note-taking app in the video | 23:52 |
| lcuk | liqbase is the entire app, theres more buttons than the video shows | 23:52 |
| Naked | is anyone else seeing a case where the hardware keys stop responding with N810? | 23:52 |
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| mgedmin | KotCzarny: thanks!!! | 23:52 |
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| KotCzarny | mgedmin: no problem | 23:53 |
| rm_you | liqbase? | 23:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:53 |
| rm_you | what does that stand for | 23:53 |
| lcuk | its what i have created to test various aspects of both my c knowledge and how i can stretch my wings on this little n810 :) | 23:53 |
| lcuk | yes rm | 23:53 |
| mgedmin | now if I only could make sense of all the real & virtual network ifaces openwrt uses... | 23:53 |
| rm_you | ah i thought it was lib - q - base | 23:53 |
| KotCzarny | mgedmin: just look at the bridge :) | 23:53 |
| KotCzarny | br0 | 23:53 |
| lcuk | ahhh right - lcuk is not a mistyping of luck, the l is liquid | 23:53 |
| lcuk | most of my code is liqXYZ | 23:53 |
| rm_you | ah | 23:54 |
| lcuk | liqbook.c | 23:54 |
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| Naked | the bug seems identical to bugzilla bug 2311, but that's supposed to have been fixed already... | 23:54 |
| lcuk | liqdrawframe.c | 23:54 |
| unique311 | Is it available to download and install? | 23:54 |
| KotCzarny | soon | 23:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:54 |
| KotCzarny | it's close to beta status | 23:54 |
| n800m | is really the only way to edit a .py file in terminal if i need root? | 23:55 |
| unique311 | What about those of us who love the alpha | 23:55 |
| n800m | seems a little hard to believe | 23:55 |
| lcuk | lol not yet and the whole thing wont ever be. i am stripping out actual software programs from it and those will be released as finished apps within garage or wherever | 23:55 |
| KotCzarny | those can download a binary in progress | 23:55 |
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| lcuk | KotCzarny, ? really - 1st ive heard :P | 23:55 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, i think you have put some code on your website? | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Naked, I don't think the fix ever actually made Chinook. | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or the fix wasn't actually fix enough | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because I experienced that under Chinook a few times | 23:56 |
| lcuk | that one? http://liquid.googlepages.com/testfiles | 23:56 |
| lcuk | yer i did | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | It definitely seems to be fixed under Diablo, though. | 23:56 |
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| mgedmin | n800m: what? | 23:56 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 23:56 |
| lcuk | i forgotted about that :) yer, theres a pre-alpha-sub-unstable-extremely-test-dontrunanywhere-version there | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | n800m, just invest the time to learn vi. :\ | 23:56 |
| n800m | i'm trying to edit a .py file in usr/lib/ | 23:56 |
| unique311 | good enough for me. | 23:57 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:57 |
| mgedmin | ahh | 23:57 |
| mgedmin | yes, I suppose so | 23:57 |
| KotCzarny | and quite old too | 23:57 |
| KotCzarny | 2 months old | 23:57 |
| mgedmin | that's because you're not supposed to edit any files under /usr | 23:57 |
| * lcuk forgets whats in there now | 23:57 | |
| mgedmin | (except for /usr/local) | 23:57 |
| n800m | would there be a way to make a file manager gain root? | 23:57 |
| n800m | not by me, in theory | 23:57 |
| n800m | :x | 23:57 |
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| KotCzarny | n800m: use ssh and install mc | 23:58 |
| mgedmin | I doubt it | 23:58 |
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| lcuk | i cant fecking believe im downloading my own test | 23:58 |
| mgedmin | heh | 23:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:58 |
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| n800m | vi - edit is 'a', right? | 23:59 |
| aquatix | a is add | 23:59 |
| KotCzarny | or 'i' | 23:59 |
| aquatix | i is insert | 23:59 |
| Naked | GeneralAntilles: bummer - i seem to be experiencing that problem every few hours if the touch screen is locked! | 23:59 |
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