| lcuk | it should be possible to use my 810 as a wireless speaker shouldnt it? ie play movies on big pc, but transmit audio to the nokia so that we dont have to have it mega loud (its on other sideo f the room) | 00:02 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | if you are playing the movie on a linux pc, yes | 00:03 |
| lcuk | ummm, slight problem with that.. | 00:03 |
| Dekaritae | Shoutcast/icecast2 on PC, stream over network | 00:03 |
| Navi | eh | 00:03 |
| lcuk | wicked :) thought it might be possible. ill look deeper tomorrow | 00:03 |
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| Navi | the sound's not going to be synced with the video | 00:04 |
| Navi | if you do shoutcast/icecast2 | 00:04 |
| lcuk | alter sync in mediaplayerclassic | 00:04 |
| lcuk | that would be ok | 00:04 |
| lcuk | thanks, back later | 00:05 |
| Dekaritae | MPC can output audio to custom sound device via DirectShow | 00:05 |
| jldiaz | mpc or mpd? | 00:06 |
| Dekaritae | MPC | 00:06 |
| Navi | media player classic | 00:06 |
| jldiaz | ah | 00:06 |
| jldiaz | I was thinking of music player client | 00:06 |
| Dekaritae | http://skattertech.com/media/2007/03/motorola-bluetooth-active-h9.jpg | 00:07 |
| Dekaritae | Wants | 00:07 |
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| Dekaritae | War | 00:52 |
| Dekaritae | k. | 00:52 |
| NeoStrider_ | Dekaritae: we all love some wargames ;-) | 00:53 |
| NeoStrider_ | "lets play 'Thermo-nuclear war', professor" | 00:53 |
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| pupnik | GeneralAntilles: no i did not read it - author =? | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | John Ross | 01:10 |
| jldiaz | there exists cron for maemo? | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | I dunno if you'll be able to find a copy, but it's definitely worth picking up. | 01:11 |
| pupnik | jldias dunno | 01:13 |
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| pupnik | no time, will skim reviews tho ty | 01:15 |
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| wolfspirit | need some help with booting debian from an sd card.. I have the boot menu but when I select external sd card or internal sd card it fails.. I think the problem is the bootmenu.sh script is wrong (using p2 instead of p1 as the device name).. I would love to just change it but it doesn't seem to let me and I'm thinking that is because it's a flashed file system.. I remounted it as rw but it says no space left on device if I try to rem | 01:26 |
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| wolfspirit | hmm I wonder if I have to edit bootmenu.sh from the init_flash directory and reflash it again | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | bootmenu.conf.n8x0.example | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fix it, rename it bootmenu.conf | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | wolfspirit, also, read the readme. :\ | 01:30 |
| wolfspirit | didn't even think about the readme.. been following all of the wiki articles and forums etc. | 01:32 |
| wolfspirit | so you have to reflash after you do that? | 01:33 |
| GAN800 | Just run the initfs flash again. | 01:33 |
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| wolfspirit | sweet got it | 01:35 |
| wolfspirit | thanks.. I thought it was something like that (pointing to the wrong device) just didn't know how to remedy it | 01:35 |
| wolfspirit | crap.. it didn't like the fs though.. possibly corrupt | 01:36 |
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| fysa | jldiaz, alarmd -- I haven't found a cron for chinook yet. busybox has a cron module (and wget module, among others) that can be compiled i | 01:41 |
| fysa | in | 01:41 |
| wolfspirit | isn't there a way to connect to the console using the usb cable? | 01:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | wolfspirit, if you've got bootmenu installed, then just boot it into usbnet | 01:42 |
| fysa | well if he screwed initfs.. | 01:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then all he's got to do is flash it. | 01:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | and a usb console would be pointless. | 01:42 |
| fysa | right | 01:42 |
| wolfspirit | no initfs isn't screwed | 01:43 |
| wolfspirit | debian starts to load but then chokes on the filesystem.. might be a corruption | 01:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wolfspirit, does it complain? | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | It complained for me, too, but I just plugged in a USB keyboard and fixed it. | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | You'll need an OTG adaptor, though. | 01:44 |
| wolfspirit | yeah wants me to hit ctl d for maintenance mode.. obviously I can't do that | 01:44 |
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| wolfspirit | it says /lib/init/rw/rootdev unexpected inconsistency found | 01:46 |
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| fysa | offlineimap installs fine | 01:48 |
| fysa | configuring now for gmail | 01:48 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: GeneralAntilles | 02:06 |
| Dekaritae | Recursion | 02:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you: rm_you, rm_you. | 02:10 |
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| KotCzarny | 'summon creature i' | 02:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you: rm_you, rm_you. | 02:14 |
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| summatusmentis | is there anyone using their NITs as an extension of a development machine? | 02:17 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk develops on nit | 02:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, khertan. | 02:18 |
| summatusmentis | I'm trying to figure out a way to use my NIT as a machine i can carry with me, and leave my laptop at home, to work on Summer of Code | 02:19 |
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| KotCzarny | install software, get a keyboard and you are set | 02:19 |
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| wolfspirit | GeneralAntilles: looking better.. I was able to get into XFCE.. but I had to load back into the flash device to run fsck on my external sd card because windows xp wouldn't see the usb networking device.. tried adding that nokia inf file but when I went to add it, it was blank in windows.. anyways.. got past that part.. | 02:20 |
| summatusmentis | KotCzarny: any idea if things like cscope/stgit/git are available? | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | just google 'needed_app maemo' | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | you can try enabling extras and redpill mode too | 02:22 |
| KotCzarny | then just trying to apt-get it | 02:22 |
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| summatusmentis | redpill mode? | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | well, redpill mode is if you don't want to use apt-get | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | if you can use apt-get you don't need it i guess | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | for example, assuming you want to install gcc | 02:25 |
| summatusmentis | what is redpill mode? I've never heard of it | 02:25 |
| KotCzarny | with app manager you would have to enable extras repository and redpill mode | 02:25 |
| KotCzarny | it's just a switch that hides some of the packages in app manager | 02:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, you don't need red pill, you can just apt-get stuff from xterm. | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | then you will see gcc in app man | 02:26 |
| rm_you_ | i dont think i've opened the app manager since 2007 <_< | 02:26 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: yeah, I can do that | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | but if you know how to use apt-get then you don't need it at all | 02:26 |
| summatusmentis | can the NIT teach me how to understand kernel code better? :) | 02:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Red Pill lets you see stuff outside of User/, enables some extra settings (like the ability to turn off mmc2 caching), and disables some "safety" features. | 02:27 |
| KotCzarny | yes, with google | 02:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:27 |
| KotCzarny | or if you download some docs and read it using some reader | 02:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, it's much better in Diablo. | 02:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | What did you want, anyway? | 02:27 |
| summatusmentis | KotCzarny: lol oh | 02:27 |
| rm_you_ | just saying hi :P | 02:28 |
| KotCzarny | hi rm_you :) | 02:28 |
| rm_you_ | grr whats the command to get my nick back | 02:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | /msg nickserv ghost rm_you <password> | 02:28 |
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| rm_you_ | sweet | 02:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | /msg nickserv help :P | 02:28 |
| rm_you | yeah i was already midway through the ghost command when you said it | 02:29 |
| rm_you | it came up from my subconscious or something | 02:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Mind link. :P | 02:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | You check the Garage? | 02:31 |
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| lcuk | w00t, 3 days and 1000 views :D | 02:39 |
| KotCzarny | feeling popular? | 02:40 |
| rm_you | :P | 02:40 |
| rm_you | you feeling open-sourcey? | 02:40 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: checking now | 02:40 |
| KotCzarny | shareware it! | 02:40 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 02:40 |
| * rm_you murders KotCzarny with a dull garden rake | 02:40 | |
| * KotCzarny ducks | 02:40 | |
| rm_you | ~lart KotCzarny for being a shareware whore | 02:40 |
| * infobot strangles KotCzarny with a doohicky mouse cord for being a shareware whore | 02:40 | |
| lcuk | technically i can do both :P | 02:40 |
| lcuk | how much does it cost to ship a cd with source code nowadays? ;) | 02:41 |
| KotCzarny | open source shareware? | 02:41 |
| KotCzarny | that's new | 02:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:41 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: cd cost + postage | 02:41 |
| lcuk | i have to make it available :) at this junction i dont have a webserver :P | 02:41 |
| KotCzarny | overseas it's ~10$ | 02:41 |
| rm_you | lcuk: I can host for you | 02:41 |
| lcuk | nahhh, ive already decided | 02:41 |
| rm_you | alternatively, garage | 02:42 |
| lcuk | ive spent the day looking through and trying to sanitize it a bit and cull the cruft so i can split out actual final applications with a purpose :) | 02:42 |
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| lcuk | text only reader and flying notes :) | 02:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:43 |
| lcuk | but ive gotta find some way to create a library because i will not alter source twice | 02:43 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, do one thing, but do it perfect | 02:43 |
| lcuk | yer - like i said when i started talkin to you kot, this is my testing ground | 02:43 |
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| * KotCzarny nods | 02:43 | |
| lcuk | ive needed time to become comfortable with what i am coding and how to do stuff | 02:43 |
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| lcuk | and now i am certainly past the first stage and now have lots of actual things to be coding using the library | 02:44 |
| lcuk | i keep sketching a time line i want to code. its been in my notebooks over the years but now i keep going back past it | 02:45 |
| * KotCzarny devours a cherry | 02:45 | |
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| lcuk | ftp up btw :) | 02:48 |
| lcuk | you will be pleasantly surprised i think :) its even smoother than the youtube vid | 02:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:51 |
| KotCzarny | how so? | 02:51 |
| rm_you | lcuk: ah? | 02:52 |
| rm_you | binaries? | 02:52 |
| lcuk | you've come across the niggly problem with drawing (on every app ive tried) and 2 strokes merge together leaving an ugly line across from the end of your last stroke.. | 02:52 |
| rm_you | source? | 02:52 |
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| lcuk | rm, full source | 02:52 |
| lcuk | and binaries | 02:52 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, yeah, use incremental drawing to actually see what is really happening | 02:53 |
| rm_you | lcuk: note that I had the same misgiving about releasing my source (I wanted it to be perfect) but i decided it mattered more to be open, and people would see my mistakes but then fix them :) | 02:53 |
| rm_you | and i havent gotten made fun of too much :P | 02:53 |
| lcuk | there has been since day one. there is an understanding that since the license is not sorted it stays between us :) | 02:53 |
| rm_you | lcuk: where? | 02:53 |
| lcuk | on 2 computers around the world :) believe me, i have no problem with open source, i just do not know which final license to use. you have given me a couple of really interesting options and i will look carefully at them both and others before i release anything publically | 02:54 |
| rm_you | ah ok.,.. | 02:54 |
| rm_you | you have full source and binaries available... just not to me :( | 02:54 |
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| * GeneralAntilles bitches. | 02:55 | |
| * rm_you nags | 02:55 | |
| * KotCzarny grins | 02:55 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I wonder if there's a recommended method for doing a timeline in Mediawiki. . . . | 02:55 |
| KotCzarny | why are you nagging about alpha code | 02:55 |
| lcuk | kot, you've packaged things in the past haven't you? | 02:55 |
| KotCzarny | he doesn't run out of ideas yet | 02:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Release early, release often. | 02:55 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: nope, but we can snatch some debian control files | 02:56 |
| rm_you | I release alpha code | 02:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, hrw offered to package for you. | 02:56 |
| rm_you | i release pre-alpha code >_< | 02:56 |
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| rm_you | hrw should help *me* package | 02:56 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 02:56 |
| rm_you | i think my debian folder is fscked | 02:56 |
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| rm_you | and i need to create a seperate package for themes | 02:56 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, i know but kot also knows enough about my code to be able to maybe look closer quicker :) | 03:14 |
| lcuk | its just a thought anyway :P | 03:14 |
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| wolfspirit | ehh.. debian on my n800 was kind of annoying in my opinion.. it would be nice to have access to all of those apps but man.. it ran very slowly and the touch screen was very unresponsive | 03:49 |
| KotCzarny | ram issue then | 03:50 |
| lcuk | or you could disable compiz and beryl ;) | 03:51 |
| wolfspirit | that's not on by default is it? | 03:51 |
| lcuk | i seriously doubt it.. its not like we have any 3d hardware to use | 03:52 |
| * lcuk cries | 03:52 | |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, no news about it on lt? | 03:52 |
| * lcuk wipes his tears and gets on with coding anyway | 03:52 | |
| KotCzarny | on irc i saw some info about it | 03:52 |
| KotCzarny | ie. 'nokia has libs but can't release anything now' | 03:53 |
| wolfspirit | there was just quite a few issues.. right clicking wasn't working (tried using the key launcher app), wireless was a pain, etc. os2008 is very polished compared to debian/xfce on it | 03:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | wolfspirit, that's why you don't use it unless you actually have a reason to. ;) | 03:54 |
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| wolfspirit | GeneralAntilles: well I like to mess around with gadgets and try out all the different options on them :) | 04:13 |
| wolfspirit | GeneralAntilles: the n800 is the first that I've actually like to use outside of just experimenting with it though.. it's a very intuitive little device | 04:14 |
| wolfspirit | I've had several ipaqs, the zodiac, a sony clie, gp32, gp2x, audrey, gba, nds, zaurus, etc. | 04:15 |
| wolfspirit | oh and the dell aixm x50v :) I'm a gadget geek | 04:16 |
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| zerosum | how do you change where the browser downloads files to? | 04:20 |
| wolfspirit | usually when it pops up it will ask you | 04:20 |
| wolfspirit | it did for me anyways | 04:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 04:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tap "save" | 04:21 |
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| fysa | GeneralAntilles, OmniPlan + export html/jpg ;) | 04:22 |
| fysa | (re: timeline in Mediawiki) | 04:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, not a bad plan. :P | 04:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | <3 OmniGroup | 04:22 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4639 | 04:24 |
| KotCzarny | ouch | 04:24 |
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| lcuk | right, gnite kot and whoevers awake :) | 04:29 |
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| KotCzarny | nite nite | 04:29 |
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| n800m | sorry | 05:25 |
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| fysa | http://blog.wired.com/sterling/2008/06/eriks-prototype.html | 05:40 |
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| KotCzarny | old | 05:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:42 |
| fysa | doh | 05:42 |
| KotCzarny | and probably not practical | 05:42 |
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| n800m | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mdMb6bRXt4 | 05:46 |
| n800m | greatest video evah | 05:47 |
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| KotCzarny | old too | 05:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:49 |
| n800m | yeah i just found out | 05:49 |
| KotCzarny | dolly song has a nice bassline too | 05:49 |
| KotCzarny | (it's the loituma remake by some studio) | 05:50 |
| n800m | saw that one too | 05:50 |
| n800m | i've been catching up | 05:50 |
| n800m | ask me about techno crazy frog | 05:50 |
| KotCzarny | i have heard some very nice beefed up bassline of loituma, but can't find it in mp3 | 05:50 |
| n800m | they're all on youtube i think | 05:51 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, but i can't find it | 05:51 |
| KotCzarny | you know, i have heard the remix in some vid, but can't find the full mp3 | 05:51 |
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| pupnik | i'm a little dissapointed | 05:56 |
| pupnik | some maemo people don't understand the | 05:56 |
| pupnik | problems inherent in force and fraud | 05:56 |
| pupnik | but i'll get you up to speed | 05:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 05:57 |
| pupnik | gen you're a good candidate for mises.org media | 05:58 |
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| pupnik | http://mises.org/media.aspx | 05:59 |
| pupnik | sorry if that sounded arrogant.. i suggest it because of respect | 06:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol, I've been through some of it. | 06:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Had it bookmarked | 06:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Usually drop by when I'm in the mood. ;) | 06:02 |
| pupnik | if you want to talk about a particular topic, i'm free in PM | 06:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, I think the bookmark was from you mentioning it previously. | 06:03 |
| fysa | mises is good. | 06:03 |
| * pupnik happy | 06:03 | |
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| fysa | a little behind, but I usually share any good economics/money-related stuff I find here: http://www.google.com/reader/shared/17922113735390681007 | 06:04 |
| fysa | http://blog.mises.org/blog/ | 06:04 |
| pupnik | some fun things on the google link but not much economics | 06:05 |
| fysa | if you use Google Reader, my items will automatically show up on your read list and vice versa | 06:06 |
| pupnik | actually very cool blog fysa | 06:06 |
| pupnik | gameswise | 06:06 |
| fysa | but yeah, I'm a week behind and haven't gotten through the economics yet | 06:06 |
| fysa | http://suddendebt.blogspot.com/ | 06:06 |
| pupnik | man... i'm not going to have time for snes | 06:06 |
| fysa | http://www.controlledgreed.com/ | 06:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Love the 64 article. | 06:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Blast Corps | 06:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish it would work in SixtyForce. :( | 06:07 |
| pupnik | i could do it too.. :/ | 06:07 |
| fysa | http://www.shadowstats.com/ | 06:07 |
| pupnik | yeah i like Williams | 06:07 |
| fysa | anyway :) | 06:07 |
| pupnik | maybe i gave you that link too :) | 06:07 |
| pupnik | no it's great stuff | 06:08 |
| fysa | I've been following this stuff for a while now, just was never really on-topic here. | 06:08 |
| pupnik | yeah | 06:08 |
| pupnik | great to see you on top of it though | 06:08 |
| fysa | reading Crash Proof now | 06:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're frequently not on-topic here. :P | 06:09 |
| pupnik | this made my day | 06:09 |
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| RST38h | 'Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication, with the intent to coerce, intimidate, harass, or cause substantial emotional distress to a person, using electronic means to support severe, repeated, and hostile behavior, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.' | 08:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo, cyber-bullying! | 08:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | They should crack down on real bullying instead. <_< | 08:43 |
| johnx | cause I'm sure that won't get abused at all | 08:43 |
| johnx | no way | 08:43 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, say that to radio free euorope :P | 08:44 |
| KotCzarny | or whatever it was called | 08:44 |
| RST38h | General: You are done for. The meanwhile guy is coming for you! =) | 08:44 |
| RST38h | Kot: Somebody abused RFERL? Was it done anally, I hope? | 08:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | ohshiohshiohshi | 08:45 |
| KotCzarny | no no, they were abusing commies :) | 08:45 |
| RST38h | Commies did not mind, as far as I remember | 08:46 |
| RST38h | The weird part is that RFERL continues to exist =) | 08:46 |
| KotCzarny | yeah.. | 08:46 |
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| KotCzarny | well, belarus is still in the old times | 08:49 |
| RST38h | They still have Russian service | 08:50 |
| RST38h | Do they still have Polish one btw? | 08:50 |
| KotCzarny | i don't know | 08:50 |
| KotCzarny | i know about it from jokes | 08:50 |
| RST38h | http://www.rferl.com/languages/ | 08:51 |
| Dekaritae | Yay | 08:51 |
| RST38h | Took Poland out. | 08:51 |
| Dekaritae | I have Wi-Fi | 08:51 |
| KotCzarny | Dekaritae: no kidding, how does it look? | 08:51 |
| Dekaritae | Better than Bluetooth ICS | 08:52 |
| Dekaritae | Someone in my building has radio device that clobbers Wi-Fi | 08:52 |
| KotCzarny | all channels? | 08:52 |
| RST38h | Is it another ap? | 08:52 |
| RST38h | Or some kind of Doomsday Weapon? | 08:53 |
| Dekaritae | No idea | 08:53 |
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| KotCzarny | rst, heh, i though ukraine is liberated too | 08:53 |
| RST38h | well, chceck | 08:53 |
| KotCzarny | but apparently it isn't :> | 08:53 |
| KotCzarny | (looking at that list) | 08:54 |
| Dekaritae | Channel 11 at full power and an external antennae works, I get 24 Mbps | 08:54 |
| RST38h | Kot: Not yet, there is still chance! | 08:54 |
| RST38h | The Bad Guys (tm) may still win! | 08:54 |
| RST38h | Deka: Distance? | 08:54 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 08:54 |
| Dekaritae | I can use N800 in bathroom | 08:55 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 08:55 |
| Dekaritae | upstairs, mebbe 20 feet | 08:55 |
| RST38h | Deka: What are walls made of? | 08:55 |
| Dekaritae | Gyproc, 2x4 wood, vermiculite and fibreglass insulation | 08:55 |
| RST38h | < 8" I hope? | 08:56 |
| Dekaritae | I assume | 08:56 |
| Dekaritae | Next project | 08:57 |
| Dekaritae | Make mini-B to mini-B cable to attach USB hub | 08:57 |
| Dekaritae | mini-B to USB female + USB male to mini-B to USB hub works | 08:57 |
| RST38h | How about shifting to a different channel? | 08:58 |
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| Dekaritae | Relevance | 08:58 |
| RST38h | Well, if somebody else is also using channel 11, you may get better performance at a different channel | 08:59 |
| Dekaritae | No other channels work | 09:00 |
| RST38h | Also, when you say 24Mbps, how do you measure it? Where is the other endpoint? | 09:00 |
| Dekaritae | Currently < 3 feet | 09:00 |
| RST38h | hehehe | 09:00 |
| Dekaritae | Measure by speedtest.net | 09:01 |
| RST38h | You are measuring it between two wifi clients 3 feet apart? | 09:01 |
| RST38h | Ah, ok | 09:01 |
| RST38h | How fast is your uplink then? | 09:01 |
| Dekaritae | Yes, and with math against known speed from desktop to ISP | 09:01 |
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| Dekaritae | Varies | 09:02 |
| Dekaritae | Peak 3M | 09:02 |
| Dekaritae | But rarely | 09:02 |
| Dekaritae | ~ 300 ping | 09:03 |
| * infobot throws ping down a well for making yet another 300 joke. | 09:03 | |
| Dekaritae | Er | 09:03 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 09:03 |
| KotCzarny | now that was actually funny | 09:03 |
| Dekaritae | ????? ????? | 09:03 |
| KotCzarny | imagine ping as a spartan | 09:04 |
| KotCzarny | and what it can do to firewalls | 09:04 |
| Dekaritae | Madness | 09:04 |
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| KotCzarny | exactly. | 09:04 |
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| RST38h | Deka: Ok. Your uplonk is 3MB/sec. You are measuring speed from your machine through the router through the uplink to speedtest.com | 09:06 |
| Dekaritae | Yes | 09:06 |
| RST38h | Deka: You are getting 24Mbd which is exactly 3MB/sec | 09:06 |
| RST38h | Deka: So, what is your problem? | 09:07 |
| Dekaritae | No problem yet | 09:07 |
| KotCzarny | high ping is the problem | 09:07 |
| RST38h | Ah | 09:07 |
| Dekaritae | Have not tried streaming PC to N800 music | 09:07 |
| KotCzarny | and probably packet retransmits | 09:07 |
| RST38h | Deka: Do a traceroute a few times and see which part of the route causes ping delay | 09:09 |
| Dekaritae | In bit | 09:10 |
| Dekaritae | Looking for USB drive enclosure with AA power | 09:11 |
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| Dekaritae | Yay | 09:12 |
| Dekaritae | http://www.bixnet.com/60poushadrwi.html | 09:12 |
| Dekaritae | Yay. Connects mini-B, so no drain on N800 port | 09:12 |
| KotCzarny | Powered from USB port and internal battery | 09:13 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 09:13 |
| KotCzarny | both? | 09:13 |
| Dekaritae | Assuming draw on USB to save battery | 09:14 |
| keesj | Dekaritae: it looks like an ovwersized mp3 player | 09:14 |
| Dekaritae | Camoflage | 09:14 |
| keesj | it is probably heavyer then the n8x0 :p | 09:15 |
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| Dekaritae | So I make long cable | 09:17 |
| KotCzarny | just buy 2x32gb sd cards ;) | 09:18 |
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| keesj | or use upnp, that is what this device was designed for | 09:19 |
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| RST38h | it is an oversized mp3 player! | 09:20 |
| keesj | recent Canola version support upnp (I have not tried it yes) | 09:20 |
| Dekaritae | Recommend a server? | 09:20 |
| qwerty12 | Check the canola forum for ones that work. | 09:20 |
| Dekaritae | oki | 09:21 |
| keesj | "Super scale LCD screen" lol | 09:21 |
| RST38h | Deka: I think Caonla guys recommend a server | 09:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | FUPPES | 09:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | MediaTomb is preferred by many, though. | 09:23 |
| patoh | ls | 09:23 |
| patoh | oops | 09:23 |
| * johnx is kinda disappointed by browserd memory usage :/ | 09:24 | |
| GeneralAntilles | patoh, IRC: ls: it's full of assholes | 09:24 |
| qwerty12 | s**tf**k, I have to reflash my N800 >.<. I've messed up me N800 | 09:24 |
| qwerty12 | hcid keeps crashing :/ | 09:25 |
| johnx | ah | 09:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, and whose fault is that? :P | 09:25 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty, do a backups | 09:25 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Technically, I did say "I've messed up" :p | 09:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, file a bug on that so timeless can kick your ass. :P | 09:25 |
| KotCzarny | every day before starting to break your device | 09:25 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, sounds like fun | 09:25 |
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| KotCzarny | if your os is cloned it should be trivial | 09:25 |
| qwerty12 | I'm taking the easy way out, I'm making a Diablo rootfs, I can't be arsed with this flash chinook crap | 09:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why not just rsync or tar it or something? | 09:26 |
| qwerty12 | I need to make a new, clean rootfs, I can't be bothered to go through installing diablo again for the 7th time using the SSU method | 09:26 |
| qwerty12 | So I'll just extract it all of the computer | 09:27 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty, make. a. backup. | 09:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:27 |
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| KotCzarny | of the running os | 09:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:27 |
| Dekaritae | Is there a way to disable touchscreen wakeup? | 09:27 |
| Dekaritae | This feature I dislike | 09:27 |
| KotCzarny | dekaritae: yes, click power button | 09:27 |
| KotCzarny | then 'lock the keys and screen' | 09:27 |
| qwerty12 | KotCzarny, Will do after I've reflashed | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: and make sure it restores cleanly :) | 09:28 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, I remember when I made a backup of the icons and it messed up, johnx saved my behind then :) | 09:30 |
| Navi | johnx, you use up too much of my memory | 09:33 |
| Dekaritae | I don't want to lock the keys ever | 09:34 |
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| Dekaritae | Just not to wakeup on screen touch | 09:34 |
| KotCzarny | well | 09:34 |
| KotCzarny | you can set brightness to minimum | 09:34 |
| KotCzarny | ie. 0 | 09:35 |
| Dekaritae | Hob | 09:35 |
| KotCzarny | adv-backlight | 09:35 |
| KotCzarny | or whatever it was called | 09:35 |
| Dekaritae | Mebbe | 09:35 |
| Dekaritae | Mebbe I need a case it can't be touch through | 09:36 |
| RST38h | Actually, waking up on a certain gesture is a nice idea | 09:36 |
| RST38h | Like, you draw a cross or a circle and it wakes up | 09:37 |
| KotCzarny | rst, that would suck battery in pocket | 09:37 |
| KotCzarny | etc | 09:37 |
| RST38h | Why? | 09:37 |
| KotCzarny | constant analyzing of the x input | 09:37 |
| RST38h | Until your stylus touch the screen, it will suck the same amount as today | 09:38 |
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| RST38h | Once it touches the screen, it may suck a bit more, but that is a rare event | 09:38 |
| KotCzarny | and how do you differentiate between stylus and trash in your pocket? | 09:38 |
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| KotCzarny | (more analyzing) | 09:39 |
| RST38h | true | 09:39 |
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| RST38h | but then, the current implementation just wakes up on any touch, trash or not | 09:39 |
| RST38h | so it can't be worse | 09:40 |
| KotCzarny | not unless you leave it unlocked | 09:40 |
| RST38h | correct | 09:40 |
| RST38h | but the lock switch is not going anywhere, gestures or not | 09:40 |
| KotCzarny | power button is well postioned | 09:41 |
| KotCzarny | so it's hard for it to be pressed accidentally | 09:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Softpower off is working better in Diablo | 09:41 |
| Dekaritae | Vafa | 09:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is a nice solution. | 09:42 |
| RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/5014392/cruzin-cooler-operator-gets-charged-with-dwi | 09:42 |
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| * qwerty12 isn't entirely sure this rootfs idea is gonna work, I'm probably gonna have to reflash and then use 0xFFFF to dump a rootfs | 09:44 | |
| KotCzarny | bah. | 09:44 |
| KotCzarny | use cp -a | 09:44 |
| KotCzarny | or rsync | 09:44 |
| KotCzarny | or tar | 09:45 |
| qwerty12 | Nah, I want a file that I can flash with the flasher | 09:45 |
| qwerty12 | I don't want to be reflashing chinook and untarring everytime | 09:45 |
| RST38h | qwerty <== 100% right | 09:45 |
| qwerty12 | That's the point of a rootfs, something that I can flash and be done with | 09:45 |
| KotCzarny | make your own script and add it to the initfs | 09:45 |
| qwerty12 | KotCzarny, Why do the extra work when I can just dump a jffs2 image? | 09:45 |
| Dekaritae | You talk like cagey tigers | 09:46 |
| qwerty12 | I'd still have to modify the initfs image anyway which is jffs2 | 09:46 |
| KotCzarny | it can be anything | 09:46 |
| KotCzarny | or you can remount it rw | 09:46 |
| qwerty12 | But my SSH doesn't work anyway and I'd have to waste time running the initfs flasher in chinook or reflash an initfs with the flasher (while I note, I could be flashing the rootfs) | 09:48 |
| Dekaritae | I haf stickers | 09:48 |
| Dekaritae | Cannot decide whether N800 is autobot or decepticon | 09:48 |
| qwerty12 | My N800 is a ladies man | 09:48 |
| RST38h | General: Remember ITT thread about marketing? | 09:48 |
| RST38h | General: The "PC Mag gives N810 3/6"? | 09:48 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: then do what suits you, but please, don't grouch :) | 09:48 |
| qwerty12 | I ain't grouching ;) but my idea's a lot easier | 09:49 |
| * KotCzarny nods | 09:49 | |
| KotCzarny | easier for you | 09:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:50 |
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| gomiam | omg wtf rotfl | 09:50 |
| gomiam | I have been searched for by a chinese RFID tags maker on Google | 09:50 |
| gomiam | and found through this channel's log | 09:51 |
| gomiam | XDD | 09:51 |
| qwerty12 | Well, Set up Diablo one time > Backup rootfs > Reflash with flasher > Profit. Set up Diablo > Rsync rootfs > Reflash Chinook > Reflash initfs flasher > modify linuxrc to untar rootfs. | 09:51 |
| gomiam | s/searched/looked/ | 09:51 |
| KotCzarny | gomiam: or some employee with n8x0 and too much free time? | 09:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:51 |
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| RST38h | gomiam: did he tag you? | 09:53 |
| RST38h | as in "tagged and released" | 09:53 |
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| KotCzarny | tag! you are it! | 09:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, maybe, they're all kinda blurred together into one massive, horrifying super-thread. | 09:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, this the one? | 09:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14893 | 09:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seems like it's not. | 09:59 |
| RST38h | General: Remember my urinal + drinking fountain example? | 10:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Vaguely | 10:00 |
| patoh | that was the wrong time to join | 10:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get me the link. :P | 10:00 |
| patoh | well read the backlog anyway :P | 10:00 |
| RST38h | General: a moment | 10:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17027&page=17 | 10:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | There it is. | 10:00 |
| RST38h | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=149130&postcount=159 | 10:01 |
| * RST38h was purposely creating the most unrealistic example | 10:02 | |
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| RST38h | Butr guess what? http://gizmodo.com/5014355/onda-urinal-concept-changes-the-question-did-you-wash-yours-hands-while-going-to-the-bathroom | 10:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 10:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gross | 10:03 |
| * RST38h feels uneasy of making examples and predicting things now | 10:03 | |
| rm_you | yoyo | 10:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just don't make any examples about Nazi robots taking over the world, please. ;) | 10:03 |
| RST38h | 'cause if at least 10% of his predictions turn true.... | 10:03 |
| RST38h | General: Actually, I have a different fate for the world =) | 10:04 |
| KotCzarny | predict fall of nwo | 10:04 |
| RST38h | But on the matter of nazi robots: http://www.ironsky.net/site/?p=16 | 10:05 |
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| RST38h | Kot: to begin with, I predict the replacement of USAF with automated aircraft | 10:06 |
| RST38h | Kot: And Boeing/Lokheed/whatever getting a contract for piloting them | 10:06 |
| KotCzarny | that's already being done | 10:06 |
| KotCzarny | fly by wire etc. | 10:06 |
| RST38h | Kot: Yep. And the USAF is being reorganized as we speak | 10:06 |
| RST38h | Kot: But the drones are still being piloted by the military. I am pretty sure that they will outsource it to drone manufacturers who already do the maintenance anyway | 10:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't see that happening. | 10:07 |
| RST38h | General: A moment | 10:07 |
| RST38h | General: http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htlead/articles/20080608.aspx | 10:08 |
| RST38h | Kot: Then they will start looking for places to bomb (again) | 10:09 |
| Dekaritae | http://lifehacker.com/394706/touchpad-pro-turns-your-iphone-or-ipod-touch-into-a-trackpad-mouse | 10:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Dekaritae, you can do that with an OS X machine and any internet-enabled device with RemoteBuddy. | 10:10 |
| KotCzarny | pf. x2x | 10:10 |
| Dekaritae | I could do with my Palm devices using Salling Clicker | 10:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Woo | 10:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/09/thecus-unveils-the-massive-n7700-eight-bay-nas/ | 10:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Combine ten 770s and they become a giant NAS? | 10:26 |
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| patoh | to many 0's :P | 10:27 |
| patoh | well one to many | 10:27 |
| KotCzarny | 'too' | 10:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | 770 * 10 = 7700 :P | 10:27 |
| RST38h | General: and a large screen lcd tv | 10:27 |
| * GeneralAntilles shoulda bought more 770s when they were cheap. | 10:28 | |
| Dekaritae | Reference thread regarding local Xvnc server and VNCViewer to run non-hildon apps | 10:28 |
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| keesj | how about such an adapter http://www.bixnet.com/usbcawibuba.html | 10:37 |
| keesj | it remains a lot of calble | 10:39 |
| RST38h | heh, brilliant (in a way) | 10:39 |
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| keesj | I also have a Y cable and I can attacht a phone charger to it (this has the same neto result) | 10:40 |
| keesj | the same site sels those cable for 8 $ , and that is a faire price IMHO | 10:41 |
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| X-Fade | timeless: Thanks for the ping on #1671. | 10:56 |
| GAN800 | X-Fade, the wiki login page needs to be revised to mention the garage, and maybe provide a link to the garage registration page. | 10:58 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: I already tried to edit it yesterday. But there is no edit function for that. | 10:59 |
| GAN800 | I was poking at it too. | 11:00 |
| GAN800 | Couldn't figure it out. There are a bunch of Mediawiki:login things, but none of them seem to be the right one. | 11:00 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, and you can't edit the Special: page for it. | 11:01 |
| GAN800 | Gotta be some way to do it. | 11:02 |
| GAN800 | What mediawiki version are we on? | 11:02 |
| X-Fade | 1.12.0 | 11:03 |
| keesj | I was migging the editing help on the new wiki yesterday | 11:04 |
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| GAN800 | Also, maybe a bug, I have a new message banner that I can't get to go away, even after blanking my talk page. :/ | 11:08 |
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| hrhr | If it's possible dump nand with some tool throught usb? | 11:10 |
| hrhr | on n810 | 11:10 |
| hrhr | =) | 11:10 |
| GAN800 | 0xffff | 11:11 |
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| hrhr | ? | 11:11 |
| GAN800 | Google it. | 11:12 |
| hrhr | ok | 11:13 |
| GAN800 | It's a third party flash t | 11:13 |
| GAN800 | flasher tool that should do what you need. | 11:13 |
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| hrhr | ok,just find it | 11:13 |
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| hrhr | GAN800: how about stability of it? | 11:15 |
| hrhr | can it crash my device& | 11:16 |
| hrhr | ? | 11:16 |
| [nine] | for dumping flash, it's hardly a concern. | 11:16 |
| johnx | works fine here | 11:16 |
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| hrhr | thx, will try | 11:16 |
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| KotCzarny | mtdtools would also work | 11:25 |
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| hrhr | mtdtools as I understand works directly from tablet, I want throught usb | 11:29 |
| KotCzarny | 0xffff won't work through usb too. | 11:31 |
| hrhr | da nu | 11:31 |
| hrhr | 0xfff local tool which run in tablet? | 11:32 |
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| KotCzarny | onenand flash isn't exposed via usb | 11:32 |
| rm_you | GAN800: hrm | 11:33 |
| rm_you | GAN800: can't figure out how to change the alignment on those number boxes | 11:33 |
| KotCzarny | rm_you: tear it down to the foundation, build again :> | 11:34 |
| keesj | hrhr: come on hrhr, what kind of luxury do you want? | 11:34 |
| GAN800 | That I'm certain there's example code around for. ;) | 11:34 |
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| rm_you | GAN800: well, they are a custom Hildon Widget, not a standard GTK thing... | 11:35 |
| RST38h | Gan: btw, did you have a chance to make those arrow icons? | 11:36 |
| GAN800 | Not yet, I'll get around to it as soon as my AC gets replaced today or tomorrow. | 11:38 |
| rm_you | GAN800: oh nm i see what you were talking about | 11:39 |
| RST38h | ack. | 11:40 |
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| zap | Anybody had ever problems with enabling USB host on a N810? I have two things here, one works fine and other doesn't see anything I connect to it (same cable, same USB pen drive) | 12:17 |
| AStorm | hm? | 12:18 |
| AStorm | same thing, and you're saying "other" doesn't? | 12:18 |
| AStorm | wtf? | 12:18 |
| AStorm | explain clearer | 12:18 |
| X-Fade | zap: Other OS version? | 12:18 |
| zap | I have two N810s | 12:18 |
| zap | no\ | 12:18 |
| AStorm | ah | 12:18 |
| * [nine] tries to work out how long he's been trying to get a 16GB sdhc card working on his N800 for before changing the partition type to an lba variant and it suddenly working | 12:18 | |
| AStorm | well, it works here | 12:18 |
| zap | flashed them both with the same firmware | 12:18 |
| AStorm | it should work everywhere | 12:18 |
| AStorm | maybe one N810 of yours is damaged | 12:19 |
| zap | I use the usbcontrol python script | 12:19 |
| zap | when I enable Host mode, the one that works switches from b_idle to a_wait_vrise | 12:19 |
| zap | the other stays in b_idle | 12:19 |
| zap | peripherial mode on both works fine | 12:20 |
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| AStorm | i don't know that script | 12:21 |
| zap | doesn't matter, cat /sys/whatever/state shows b_idle as well | 12:22 |
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| andre___ | sounds a bit like https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3026 | 12:23 |
| zap | aha! | 12:23 |
| andre___ | feel free to add comments, vote for that bug, or apply the patch and add feedback | 12:24 |
| zap | yes, that's it, thank you very much | 12:24 |
| andre___ | sure, np | 12:25 |
| andre___ | hmm, i need to escalate for that one to get the patch in quickly | 12:25 |
| zap | would be cool to have that fixed in Diablo | 12:26 |
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| andre___ | zap: let me see what I can do - at least having it in an update must be possible | 12:32 |
| zap | andre___: will it help pushing the patch if I'll just my two cents to that report? | 12:48 |
| andre___ | it can never hurt to have "patch works for me" comments | 12:48 |
| andre___ | i dislike "i want that feature too" comments because we have a voting system, but volunteers testing patches and giving feedback is MOST welcome! | 12:49 |
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| zap | :) I'm not able yet to build a patched kernel, unfortunately | 12:52 |
| andre___ | voting is also ok. just make noise :) | 12:53 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:53 |
| dneary | Morning | 13:53 |
| lardman | hi dneary | 13:54 |
| dneary | how're things in Bath? | 13:54 |
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| lardman | sunny and warm :) | 13:54 |
| lardman | and in France (?) | 13:54 |
| dneary | kind of cloudy | 13:55 |
| dneary | But I can see some blue sky from here | 13:55 |
| dneary | Lots of blue skies today actually | 13:56 |
| dneary | But it's not expected to last | 13:56 |
| lardman | I'm shocked we've had 3 passable days in a row here, supposed to be summer after all, where's the rain? ;) | 13:56 |
| dneary | It's over here :) | 13:58 |
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| lardman | the problem with nice sunny weather is I'm less inclined to sit in front of the PC in the evening and do anything | 14:01 |
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| ido-- | 'lo | 14:01 |
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| ido-- | is there a way to safe boot the n770 | 14:01 |
| ido-- | or at restore OS | 14:02 |
| ido-- | cus it keeps on rebooting | 14:02 |
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| lardman | ido--: what did you install to make it do that? | 14:22 |
| ido-- | hrm stuff to do with hildon | 14:24 |
| ido-- | some os2008 stuff on an os2007 | 14:24 |
| lardman | ido--: to make it boot, you can use the flasher to disable the lifeguard | 14:24 |
| lardman | otherwise you'll need to reflash it | 14:24 |
| ido-- | it boots | 14:24 |
| ido-- | it just reboots :p | 14:24 |
| ido-- | hrmf | 14:25 |
| lardman | to make it start up then | 14:25 |
| ido-- | already reflashed it | 14:25 |
| lardman | fair enough | 14:25 |
| lardman | next time look at how to set the R&D flags | 14:25 |
| ido-- | how sensative is the screen on the n770 ? | 14:25 |
| lardman | I touch it, it notices. ? | 14:25 |
| ido-- | touch soft, hard ? | 14:26 |
| ido-- | cus my screen is a little defective | 14:26 |
| ido-- | i think | 14:26 |
| lardman | no objective figures, but works fine for me, I don't have to press too hard | 14:26 |
| ido-- | i bought it on ebay | 14:26 |
| lardman | ido--: could be the sw | 14:26 |
| ido-- | was like that on os2006 | 14:27 |
| ido-- | and now on 2007 too | 14:27 |
| lardman | dunno I'm afraid | 14:28 |
| lardman | there were lots of threads about this on itt, & also on the ml iirc | 14:28 |
| * [nine] grumbles about the "Inconsistency detected by ld.so" error | 14:29 | |
| ido-- | ml / itt ? | 14:29 |
| [nine] | scratchbox wouldn't install on amd64, so i setup an i386 chroot and installed scratchbox into that. now it won't start! | 14:29 |
| lardman | mailing list | 14:30 |
| lardman | ~itt | 14:30 |
| infobot | [itt] the forums on internettablettalk.com ( http://internettablettalk.com/forums ) | 14:30 |
| wnd | [nine], restarting scratchbox-core usually helps with my installation | 14:30 |
| wnd | of course if you haven't started it in the first place, well, start it | 14:30 |
| [nine] | :D, yuss, it's started. | 14:30 |
| lcuk | ok, who teleported me from manchester: its sunny and hot | 14:31 |
| lardman | Where would I find the source for bluez-utils-3.28 which is used in Diablo? | 14:31 |
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| lcuk | hi marius | 14:31 |
| wnd | however right now my scratchbox 1 seems to be all messed up, "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed!", and I haven't had to look into it at all | 14:31 |
| wnd | in other words, sounds like we have the same problem | 14:32 |
| [nine] | yeah, that's what i'm getting. | 14:32 |
| [nine] | COMPAT_VDSO is disabled in the kernel (debian 2.6.25-2-amd64). | 14:32 |
| [nine] | it works on the i386 laptop i have, setting vm.vdso_enabled to 0. | 14:32 |
| lardman | ah, https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/connectivity/ | 14:33 |
| * [nine] wonders if he can scrape together some crufty i386 machine to sit in the corner to do builds | 14:34 | |
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| lardman | [nine]: ignore the fact it won't install, do it manually | 14:36 |
| lardman | used to work on x86_64 for me | 14:36 |
| [nine] | lardman: most of the binaries don't seem to work. | 14:36 |
| lardman | [nine]: make sure you have the 32bit libs installed too? | 14:37 |
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| [nine] | lardman: ia32-libs are installed, but the problem seems to be elsewhere. | 14:37 |
| mgedmin | hi lcuk | 14:37 |
| lardman | hmm, oh well, used to work for me | 14:38 |
| [nine] | even running "ldd /scratchbox/tools/bin/python" makes it complain about ld.so inconsistency. | 14:38 |
| [nine] | and that's not even executing the binary. | 14:38 |
| mgedmin | wnd: known problem with a known fix | 14:38 |
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| [nine] | mgedmin: afaik, the known fix is "downgrade to an earlier kernel"? | 14:39 |
| mgedmin | sudo sysctl -w vm.vdso_enabled=0 | 14:39 |
| mgedmin | is a much simpler fix | 14:39 |
| [nine] | that file doesn't exist. | 14:39 |
| [nine] | neither does kernel.vdso | 14:39 |
| mgedmin | and then when you get mmap: Permission denied, the fix is | 14:39 |
| mgedmin | sudo sysctl -w vm.mmap_min_addr=4096 | 14:40 |
| mgedmin | nine, what file doesn't exist? | 14:40 |
| [nine] | /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled | 14:40 |
| mgedmin | /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled? | 14:40 |
| mgedmin | are you looking inside scratchbox or outside? | 14:40 |
| mgedmin | you need to look outside | 14:40 |
| [nine] | outside. | 14:40 |
| mgedmin | then strange | 14:40 |
| wnd | % zgrep VDSO /proc/config.gz | 14:40 |
| wnd | # CONFIG_COMPAT_VDSO is not set | 14:40 |
| [nine] | mmm. | 14:40 |
| wnd | I think [nine] already said that | 14:40 |
| * mgedmin doesn't have /proc/config.gz | 14:41 | |
| [nine] | seems to be something with debian's amd64 kernels. | 14:41 |
| mgedmin | I wish people would just fix scratchbox to work with modern kernels, if that's possible | 14:41 |
| [nine] | /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled exists on the i386 kernels, and scratchbox works. | 14:41 |
| wnd | mgedmin, what about /boot/config-$(uname -r)? | 14:41 |
| mgedmin | mg@platonas:~ $ grep -i vdso /boot/config-`uname -r` | 14:42 |
| mgedmin | # CONFIG_COMPAT_VDSO is not set | 14:42 |
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| mgedmin | ah, amd64 | 14:42 |
| mgedmin | haven't tried that one | 14:42 |
| * lardman wishes nokia to get on and release Diablo so he can debug sbc without having to backport the changes to bluez-utils-3.20 | 14:42 | |
| wnd | anyway, this wasn't a problem with pre-2.6.25 debian packaged amd64-kernels | 14:43 |
| wnd | I wonder if this problem is even valid with sb2 | 14:43 |
| mgedmin | the mmap one is | 14:43 |
| mgedmin | not sure about vdso | 14:43 |
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| * mgedmin should learn not to jump into the middle of a discussion | 14:45 | |
| wnd | what would irc be without it? | 14:46 |
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| lopz | hola | 14:54 |
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| * aquatix has the idle hope that diablo is late because nokia is putting in a new gecko version | 15:00 | |
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| * lardman wonders if he should try Diablo again, despite not being able to reboot | 15:16 | |
| X-Fade | lardman: Q2 is still a few weeks. So it can at least between 1 day and 21, _if_ they will release in Q2 :) | 15:17 |
| lardman | X-Fade: yeah, I just want to debug the sbc stuff, and bluez-utils-3.28 (which is used in Diablo) doens't need any changes | 15:18 |
| lardman | whereas to go back to 3.20 which is in chinook I need to do some backporting | 15:19 |
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| ido-- | how can i mount a smbfs drive on my n770 ? | 15:26 |
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| lardman | ido--: There's a wizard in downloads/extras iirc, I can't rememeber the name of the top of my head though | 15:27 |
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| ido-- | it didnt work | 15:28 |
| ido-- | for some reason | 15:28 |
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| Anunakin | what u OS? 2007 or 2008HE ? | 15:29 |
| lardman | Google then is the best bet, and try some options - there seem to be lots: smbmount, mount + smbfs, cifs | 15:30 |
| Anunakin | I think u need 2008He | 15:30 |
| rm_you | lardman: how goes it? | 15:30 |
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| rm_you | lardman: got your stuff compiled yet? :P | 15:30 |
| lardman | rm_you: not bad, you? | 15:30 |
| rm_you | making progress on 0.9b | 15:30 |
| rm_you | :P | 15:30 |
| ido-- | os2007 | 15:30 |
| rm_you | got most of my TODOs done | 15:30 |
| _Zap__ | what is the meaning of this warning: We could not read lowmem page stats ?? | 15:30 |
| lardman | compiled but segfaulting when compiled as part of bluez-utils | 15:30 |
| ido-- | HE | 15:30 |
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| rm_you | :( | 15:30 |
| rm_you | you would have thought making the driver work would be the hard part >_> | 15:31 |
| _Zap__ | i try to start my application from the task navigator but it only shows some loading text and doesn't open | 15:31 |
| lardman | strange, as if I compile sbcenc in a single line gcc command (after removing the VERSION #define) it works | 15:31 |
| rm_you | >_> | 15:31 |
| lardman | rm_you: you and me both :) | 15:31 |
| ido-- | whats the best pdf reader ? | 15:31 |
| rm_you | heh | 15:31 |
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| * rm_you is *still* working on tracking down a crash bug | 15:31 | |
| rm_you | is there a way to actually find out WHY my statusbar applet crashes? | 15:32 |
| lardman | rm_you: It would be good if Diablo were released, as the 3.28 version of Bluez-utils in there uses the same interface to the sbc functions; the version I use in chinook (3.20) is different and I'm not sure I've hacked the code in the right way | 15:32 |
| rm_you | is there a way to start an strace on a program thats already running? | 15:32 |
| Blafasel | Afaik yes | 15:32 |
| Blafasel | with -p pid or something | 15:32 |
| rm_you | lardman: would love to see diablo out... <_< but is that going to be os2009? or what? | 15:32 |
| rm_you | i'm out of the diablo loop | 15:32 |
| rm_you | <_< | 15:32 |
| lardman | rm_you: no, 2008.1 or something like that, just a minor upgrade | 15:33 |
| Blafasel | manpage agrees: -ppid | 15:33 |
| rm_you | hrm | 15:33 |
| rm_you | wonder if thatll work | 15:34 |
| * lardman looks for a decent gdb explanation | 15:34 | |
| andre___ | yeah, i think diablo is a minor upgrade | 15:34 |
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| mgedmin | rm_you: can you reproduce your crash in scratchbox on x86? | 15:35 |
| mgedmin | if so, valgrind can be a big help | 15:35 |
| rm_you | mgedmin: would be hard for a statusbar app i think? | 15:36 |
| rm_you | dunno, never set up the x86 build environment | 15:36 |
| rm_you | i always just build for arm and copy the stuff over to my n800 to test | 15:36 |
| rm_you | i suppose it would be a better workflow if i could test locally :P | 15:36 |
| lardman | rm_you: print out messages, do it the old fashioned way :) | 15:37 |
| rm_you | lol | 15:37 |
| rm_you | how | 15:37 |
| rm_you | statusbar app prints to... ?!? | 15:37 |
| ido-- | is a n800 much faster then a n770 ? | 15:37 |
| ido-- | i mean, usage wise | 15:37 |
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| ido-- | is it an enough reason to get an 800 ? | 15:37 |
| Blafasel | rm_you: Print to a file? Who cares, should work ;) | 15:38 |
| lardman | rm_you: where does stderr go to? | 15:38 |
| rm_you | lol | 15:38 |
| mgedmin | /tmp/debug.log is sane | 15:38 |
| lardman | printing to a file is bad unless you make sure it flushes after each write | 15:38 |
| rm_you | printf("entering loop 1.... id = %d", i) | 15:38 |
| rm_you | lol | 15:38 |
| mgedmin | rm_you: yes, debugging a statusbar app is hard | 15:39 |
| lardman | don't knock it, that's how DSP debugging is done :S | 15:39 |
| rm_you | yeah i know, i do it a lot that way :P | 15:39 |
| rm_you | but still | 15:39 |
| mgedmin | but my understanding is that debugging a statusbar app on x86 is easier than debugging it on arm | 15:39 |
| rm_you | yeah prolly | 15:39 |
| * lcuk logs and debugs everything that way | 15:39 | |
| mgedmin | there was a howto somewhere... | 15:39 |
| rm_you | yeah... wish i could print to stderr or something | 15:39 |
| rm_you | and actually read it | 15:40 |
| rm_you | too bad itos dumps all its logs >_< | 15:40 |
| rm_you | no syslog, no real dmesg | 15:40 |
| rm_you | >_> | 15:40 |
| lcuk | open a port out to remote host and have your software blog about its day :) | 15:40 |
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| lcuk | 13:43 adv_backlight: w000t, the user clicked me!!!!! r0xxor | 15:41 |
| lcuk | 13:43 adv_backlight: awww poo, he closed me down | 15:41 |
| rm_you | lol | 15:41 |
| aquatix | *g* | 15:42 |
| rm_you | thought about having it send mail to nokia every time it got opened, complaining about lack of display applet source :P | 15:42 |
| rm_you | but decided that'd prolly just annoy them | 15:42 |
| aquatix | no shit ;) | 15:43 |
| lcuk | no, you need to have it send a mail every time the slider is changed ;) | 15:43 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: You can just install syslog and have your logs.. | 15:43 |
| rm_you | really? | 15:43 |
| X-Fade | Sure. | 15:43 |
| X-Fade | apt-get is your friend | 15:43 |
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| lcuk | simple solutions in a complex world :) thanks x-fade, i think you have just made rm's day | 15:44 |
| monkeyiq | is liqbase available for d/load someplace that I missed ? | 15:44 |
| rm_you | err | 15:44 |
| rm_you | what repo is it in? | 15:44 |
| lcuk | not yet its not | 15:44 |
| monkeyiq | lcuk: k, thanks... :) | 15:44 |
| rm_you | lcuk: did you release stuff yet? :P | 15:44 |
| lcuk | monkeyiq, its not even feature complete yet, but will be soon | 15:45 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: I think the sdk one, but I don't know exactly. I use it for debugging at least. | 15:45 |
| * lcuk has proven the concept at least | 15:45 | |
| monkeyiq | lcuk: just qgil making everyone dry mouthed for it before its in svn ;) | 15:45 |
| lcuk | well tell qgil that ill put mine in svn when he puts his in :P | 15:45 |
| monkeyiq | hehehehhe | 15:45 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: gronmayer says "nothing was found for syslog in OS 2008" >_> | 15:46 |
| lardman | I think it's called ksyslog | 15:46 |
| lcuk | no, im over the moon at the response ive had - its been an eye opener and ill stop being n00bish about it all and give people some apps to play with | 15:46 |
| rm_you | ah yeah | 15:46 |
| rm_you | just did an apt-cache search | 15:46 |
| lardman | does both kernel & sys logging | 15:46 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: ksyslogd | 15:47 |
| rm_you | sysklogd | 15:47 |
| lcuk | right, back to the grind for a few hours | 15:47 |
| lcuk | cyas soon | 15:47 |
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| X-Fade | rm_you: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/s/sysklogd/ :) | 15:48 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: That is the SDK repo, not for end users but works for developers. | 15:50 |
| rm_you | sweet | 15:51 |
| rm_you | i got a copy of an strace when it crashed | 15:51 |
| X-Fade | Be sure not to fill up your rootfs with logs ;) | 15:51 |
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| rm_you | http://pastebin.ca/1042867 | 15:52 |
| rm_you | anyone make sense of that? | 15:52 |
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| lardman | hey ssvb | 15:53 |
| SDuensin | Morning! | 15:53 |
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| * lardman is not fond of strace | 15:54 | |
| ssvb | hi lardman | 15:55 |
| lardman | ssvb: how are things coming along with the colorspace converter? | 15:55 |
| ssvb | lardman: not so smooth as I would like :) | 15:55 |
| ssvb | lardman: looks like access to SDRAM memory from DSP is quite slow on 770 | 15:56 |
| lardman | I'm hopefully just finishing off the sbc encoder, and after that will come and lend you a hand | 15:56 |
| lardman | ssvb: yes, how many frames can you push before the DSP gets bored and resets? | 15:56 |
| rm_you | the NEXT LINE if it had worked normally would have been "poll([{fd=10, events=POLLIN}, {fd=6, events=POLLIN}, {fd=5, events=POLLIN}], 3, 0) = 0" | 15:56 |
| rm_you | but it segfaulted | 15:56 |
| rm_you | right after the close(15) | 15:56 |
| rm_you | well, anyone have any other debugging tips for a statusbar applet that i can do ON the tablet? | 15:57 |
| lardman | rm_you: fd=10,6,5 sound like likely segfault characters, perhaps | 15:57 |
| ssvb | lardman: on the other hand, conversion done in DARAM or SARAM is extremely fast, only SDRAM is slowing down everything | 15:57 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: Are you sure you want to poll on devices like this? | 15:57 |
| rm_you | i dont know that it's me doing that | 15:57 |
| rm_you | that's just from the strace | 15:58 |
| lardman | ssvb: yeah, but the data has to be passed through SDRAM | 15:58 |
| rm_you | comparing a normal strace to a broken strace | 15:58 |
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| lardman | ssvb: have you worked out any numbers for how slow/how many frames it might be able to do? | 15:58 |
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| ssvb | lardman: it is possible to get only ~25MB/s bandwidth for copying SDRAM->SDRAM from DSP according to my benchmarks | 15:59 |
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| ssvb | lardman: that's with 32-bit memory access, 16-bit access is twice slower | 16:00 |
| lardman | a simple copy across needs ~12Mb/sec? | 16:01 |
| lardman | for 30fps 800x480 | 16:01 |
| ssvb | lardman: so looks like DSP is roughly 4x slower than ARM core when working with memory, that's not good at all | 16:01 |
| lardman | but it should be able to copy from MMU->DSP->MMU though within the 25Mb/sec | 16:01 |
| ssvb | lardman: 640x480x12bpp * 30fps = ~14MB/s | 16:02 |
| ssvb | lardman: and I'm still experimenting how much memory bandwidth is 'stolen' from ARM when DSP is extensively working with memory | 16:03 |
| lardman | have you looked at how often the DSP can be polled without reseting? That was the problem I was having | 16:03 |
| lardman | 30x per sec was far too much for my code (doing ioctls) | 16:04 |
| ssvb | lardman: cat /proc/omap_clocks shows that DSP MMU is working at half frequency on 770 if I understand it right | 16:04 |
| lardman | but then rewriting the code may overcome it, allowing the *_tctl fn to return more quickly | 16:04 |
| lardman | ssvb: I don't know, sorry | 16:05 |
| ssvb | lardman: maybe it is possible to increase this frequency, don't know if it would be severe overclocking | 16:05 |
| ssvb | lardman: in any case, with slow memory, getting DMA working to fetch/store data asynchronously is very important | 16:06 |
| lardman | The Nokias said they moved to using the ARM rather than DSP for video decoding as they couldn't push large frames fast enough | 16:06 |
| ssvb | lardman: so data could be fetched to DARAM/SARAM, processed there and stored back | 16:06 |
| rm_you | hrm, may have fixed it... we'll see. | 16:06 |
| lardman | ssvb: doing iDCTs for example you mean? | 16:07 |
| ssvb | lardman: yes, and DSP is rebooting occasionally | 16:07 |
| ssvb | lardman: yes, IDCT or some high quality scaling | 16:07 |
| lardman | ssvb: XvMC (or whatever the new thing replacing it is called) - that sort of stuff might be usefully implemented | 16:08 |
| ssvb | lardman: XvMC is a bad thing | 16:08 |
| lardman | ssvb: Why is that? | 16:08 |
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| lardman | ssvb: wrt scaling, you'll still have the bandwidth issue trying to push the frame data in and out | 16:09 |
| ssvb | lardman: generally what we want is XvMC but done right :) | 16:09 |
| ssvb | lardman: it has some API limitations | 16:09 |
| lardman | ssvb: yes, hence the new thing Video Acceleration API (which doesn't seem to be used yet) | 16:10 |
| lardman | ssvb: but XvMC would be somewhere to start at least | 16:10 |
| lardman | ssvb: With applications able to use it, and therefore test if it works, etc | 16:10 |
| ssvb | lardman: I want to implement a video accelerator specifically tuned for ffmpeg, without any extra bloat | 16:10 |
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| rm_you | nope didn't fix it | 16:11 |
| lardman | ssvb: ok, sounds fair enough | 16:11 |
| lardman | bbiam, got to pop to post office] | 16:11 |
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| rm_you | ok well, good luck lardman|afk, lcuk I hope you pick a good license soon, gnight everyone else :P | 16:21 |
| aquatix | cya rm_you | 16:24 |
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| lardman | ~lart TheTrainLine | 16:26 |
| * infobot acting on orders from an unspecified client drags TheTrainLine into court suing for $200 million | 16:26 | |
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| lardman | ssvb: Back to video colourspace/scaling | 16:28 |
| lardman | ssvb: I wonder how fast a private bluk transfer to the DSP would be | 16:29 |
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| lardman | ssvb: I don't know how much overhead is incurred on the ARM side from such a write to the dsp device | 16:29 |
| lardman | s/bluk/bulk | 16:29 |
| ssvb | lardman: what's private bulk transfer? | 16:29 |
| lardman | a way of transfering data without shared memory | 16:30 |
| ssvb | lardman: I guess it would be a lot slower | 16:30 |
| lardman | or did you work a way around the shared memory limit you were seeing? | 16:30 |
| ssvb | lardman: if I understand it right, IPC buffer is in SDRAM | 16:30 |
| lardman | I think so | 16:31 |
| ssvb | lardman: my guess is that DSP memory bus is slow on 770 | 16:31 |
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| ssvb | lardman: 'clock.c' from 'mach-omap1' directory has the following coment: "DSPMMU_CK == DSP_CK or DSPMMU_CK == DSP_CK/2" | 16:32 |
| Anunakin | Any knows how to use r&d mode ? | 16:33 |
| lardman | ssvb: So perhaps whoever wrote the code didn't know | 16:33 |
| ssvb | lardman: on 770 DSPMMU seems to run at half frequency, I wonder if it is possible to make it run at full frequency | 16:33 |
| lardman | ssvb: or it's a stability issue | 16:33 |
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| lardman | Anunakin: maemo.org search for "flasher" | 16:34 |
| ssvb | lardman: yes, maybe that's one more tradeoff of using speed-selected chips, maybe memory bus had to be sacrificed to make it run at 252MHz | 16:34 |
| ssvb | lardman: but that's only a guess | 16:34 |
| ssvb | lardman: I did not benchmark N8x0 yet, maybe it can work faster with SDRAM | 16:35 |
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| ssvb | lardman: in any case, from the performance point of view, you should always read/write data as 32-bit values when accessing SDRAM | 16:38 |
| lardman | hmm, that's certainly interesting as then there's the annoying endianness problem to deal with | 16:39 |
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| ssvb | lardman: the trick may be to bulk copy data to internal static memory and work with it there and after you are done - write back, it may be faster than working with SDRAM directly | 16:43 |
| lardman | bulk copy won't have any advantages over shared memory as it also places the data in SDRAM iirc | 16:44 |
| lardman | but certainly doing 32bit accesses/copies from SDRAM to faster SRAM and then accessing in 16bit chunks might be worth a look if needed | 16:45 |
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| ssvb | lardman: that's exactly what I tried to suggest | 16:46 |
| lardman | ah, sorry, my fault | 16:47 |
| lardman | saw bulk and thought of transfer from ARM->DSP | 16:47 |
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| guenther_ | hrm, where did the recover command go? | 16:50 |
| ssvb | lardman: right now for YV12->YUV420 conversion less than 3 cycles are required for each pixel when working in SARAM and ~2.2 cycles when working in DARAM, having data copied SDRAM->DARAM and DARAM->SDRAM increases this time to ~16 cycles, so almost all the overhead is introduced by reading/writing SDRAM memory | 16:50 |
| ssvb | lardman: if I use the same conversion code directly on SDRAM, it is much slower (because of having 16-bit memory accesses) | 16:51 |
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| lardman | Cool, is your code in the mplayer svn tree? | 16:52 |
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| ssvb | lardman: so either the code needs to be changed to work with 32-bit memory reads/writes only dealing with endian issues, or the data should be processed in internal memory | 16:52 |
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| ssvb | lardman: the second approach theoretically is optimal if we manage to get DMA work properly | 16:53 |
| lardman | dealing with endianness issues is not a big problem, just confusing | 16:53 |
| ido-- | how do i extract a .deb file ? | 16:53 |
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| ssvb | lardman: it is not in mplayer repository yet, because I'm still experimenting with DMA (unsuccessfully so far) | 16:54 |
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| dospod | hello | 16:54 |
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| ido-- | how do i see all my currently install apt packages ? | 16:56 |
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| guenther | ah, finally :) | 16:56 |
| aquatix | ido--: i think there's a dpkg switch for that | 16:57 |
| ido-- | which one ? | 16:57 |
| aquatix | dpkg --get-selections | 16:57 |
| aquatix | i think that's the one | 16:58 |
| lardman | how do I find who has registered a web name? | 16:58 |
| lardman | web address evebn | 16:58 |
| aquatix | lardman: whois blah.tld ? | 16:58 |
| aquatix | :) | 16:58 |
| lardman | that's the one, thanks | 16:59 |
| aquatix | sure thing | 16:59 |
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| herwood | has anybody ever used object push? | 17:11 |
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| dneary | hi all | 17:41 |
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| manyoso | where can i find the source or the modifications made to Qt that went into the packages at http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/ ? | 17:46 |
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| manyoso | anyone familiar with this project? | 17:46 |
| X-Fade | manyoso: In their svn repo. | 17:47 |
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| manyoso | browsing the svn repo... it looks like it just contains the sources for the website... | 17:50 |
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| manyoso | not the packages | 17:50 |
| hrw | hi | 17:50 |
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| manyoso | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=qt4 | 17:51 |
| manyoso | perhaps the view is messed up | 17:51 |
| manyoso | but i can see changes to the website via that service... | 17:51 |
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| Dekaritae | I have installed VIM, but it does not appear in the application menu | 17:53 |
| mgedmin | Dekaritae: it's a command-line app | 17:54 |
| mgedmin | open xterm and type 'vim' | 17:54 |
| Dekaritae | Ah, oki | 17:55 |
| Dekaritae | Recommend a non-command-line editor? | 17:56 |
| mgedmin | gvim ;) | 17:56 |
| mgedmin | but there's no maemo version yet | 17:56 |
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| jott | manyoso: it looks like the svn is messed up atm, just fetch the source from the repository (or do something like dget -x http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/dists/chinook/user/source/qt4-4.4.0/qt4-x11_4.4.0-osso1.dsc ) | 18:04 |
| dospod | is there a reason it seems the community fell off? | 18:05 |
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| manyoso | alright, i'll try | 18:07 |
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| hrw | I had gvim under maemo but it had some problems which I did not had time to debug | 18:11 |
| aquatix | fullscreen terminal -> vim | 18:12 |
| aquatix | enough for me ;) | 18:12 |
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| Dekaritae | dospod: Maturity | 18:16 |
| Dekaritae | The big applications niches are fill | 18:17 |
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| dospod | Im still waiting for a snes emulator for os 2008 :\ | 18:20 |
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| Dekaritae | Do not wait | 18:20 |
| Dekaritae | There is SNES emulator for GBA | 18:20 |
| Dekaritae | And NES emulator for SNES crazy | 18:21 |
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| aquatix | and there's that upcoming OSS gaming handheld | 18:22 |
| Dekaritae | Pandora yes I'm sure we will see that | 18:23 |
| jott | and there is a gba emulator for palm so you could go garnetvm->gba->snes for maximum performance ;) | 18:23 |
| aquatix | jott: ooooh | 18:23 |
| * aquatix installs that setup | 18:24 | |
| Dekaritae | LJP does not emulate GBA, and Firestorm runs < 4 FPS on 400mhz+ hardware | 18:24 |
| Dekaritae | Aggressively unoptimized | 18:24 |
| Dekaritae | LJP for Palm does do SNES quite well | 18:25 |
| Dekaritae | You find it here | 18:25 |
| Dekaritae | http://www.metaviewsoft.de/en/index.html | 18:25 |
| dospod | Its sad how much intrests I have lost for my n800 | 18:26 |
| Dekaritae | Is typical male reaction | 18:27 |
| Dekaritae | Not be happy with what you have, want what you can't | 18:27 |
| Dekaritae | Was not happy with Zodiac, got N800 | 18:27 |
| Dekaritae | When not happy with N800, get iPod Touch | 18:28 |
| Dekaritae | Eventually I get OQO+ | 18:28 |
| Dekaritae | And still not be happy | 18:28 |
| aquatix | you replaced N800 with a Touch? weirdo ;) | 18:28 |
| Dekaritae | Not yet. Still happy with N800 | 18:29 |
| * aquatix is happy with his n810/sony ericsson m600i combo | 18:29 | |
| aquatix | ah, ok :) | 18:29 |
| hrw | bye guys | 18:29 |
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| dospod | If the gba emulation has gotten faster since the last time I had my n800 | 18:30 |
| dospod | it may spark intrest again | 18:30 |
| johnx | it seemed pretty nice when I tried it on ff tactics | 18:32 |
| Dekaritae | I have DS, no desire for emulatoring on N800 | 18:32 |
| Dekaritae | Flash games, there is the plus | 18:32 |
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| dospod | I have a ds too but no gba carts anymore | 18:33 |
| johnx | I hate flash so much... | 18:33 |
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| Dekaritae | Playing with Flash VNC client | 18:34 |
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| pupnik | anybody want to work on DrPocketSNES, it's not too hard - i have it loading roms now | 18:48 |
| pupnik | i'll finish it evtly | 18:48 |
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| manyoso | jott: the svn for Qt4 matches what i see on the website | 19:33 |
| manyoso | it just contains the source for the website | 19:33 |
| manyoso | no code for Qt4 | 19:33 |
| manyoso | is this code not available? | 19:33 |
| Proteous | sorry, I ate it | 19:34 |
| Proteous | I was hungry :/ | 19:34 |
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| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Ping? | 19:47 |
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| dneary | Do you know how the RSS works on the new wiki? | 19:47 |
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| Dekaritae | InterfaceLIFT.com let you select only 800x480 dimension backgrounds | 20:06 |
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| CrashandDie` | hey, what's the command again to create a .deb from the .diff.gz .tar.gz and desc files ? | 20:41 |
| johnx | I do it in two steps: dpkg-source -x foo.dsc | 20:42 |
| johnx | then cd into the dir it creats, and type dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 20:42 |
| johnx | maybe there's a faster way? | 20:42 |
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| CrashandDie` | johnx, no, that's the one, thanks :) | 20:44 |
| johnx | sure :) | 20:44 |
| lcuk2 | fastest way i would know if to "open irc, ask people how to do it, blindly follow options, reflash device, curse irc, read the manual, do what crash said ;" | 20:44 |
| CrashandDie` | lcuk2, I've ported a few apps, I just forgot the name of the commands... And bash_history won't go as far... | 20:45 |
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| CrashandDie` | anyway, off to celebrate end of (written) exams, and the fact I managed to sell my house :D Cheers | 20:46 |
| lcuk2 | i know :P its great in here, im constantly surprised by how professional and helpful most folks are | 20:46 |
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| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: this boxwave screen protector is impossible to get off of the sticky plastic sheet it's attached to | 20:46 |
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| lardman | Where's qwerty when you want him? | 20:47 |
| CrashandDie` | lcuk2, I think it has to do with the fact most people actually bought this device to be part of the community... As in, we paid money, so we're not here to fool around | 20:47 |
| lcuk2 | paper-round? | 20:47 |
| lardman | lcuk2: :) | 20:47 |
| CrashandDie` | lcuk2, different from say, #ubuntu, where you can just f* people over for free | 20:47 |
| lcuk2 | lol | 20:47 |
| RST38h | "Brian just said it smells like a San Francisco bus in here. I agree. Its a mixture of sweat, urine, desperation, more urine, just a little feces, saliva, Apple fever, bald dudes, a cupful more of urine, and urine." -- straight from WWDC | 20:47 |
| johnx | CrashandDie`, speak for yourself, I'm just here to fool around :P | 20:47 |
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| johnx | RST38h, so you're watching giz as well? :P | 20:48 |
| CrashandDie | johnx, bleh, you devil | 20:48 |
| lcuk2 | crash - i agree that we paid for the device, the community was an extra - i wasnt aware of any of this before i got the device and i didnt use you lot as a buying decision | 20:48 |
| lcuk2 | (though nowadays i cant talk about this device and what i do without mentioning how great you all are :D | 20:49 |
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| RST38h | johnx: Just came home and browsing the feed to figure out what is going on | 20:49 |
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| CrashandDie | lcuk2, agreed, I'm not really that active within the community, but still, I think no one in here is actually someone who just happen to stroll in by accident, and is a stupid troll | 20:50 |
| johnx | CrashandDie, just spend more time here... | 20:50 |
| Dekaritae | I'm a troll | 20:50 |
| CrashandDie | johnx, I have a life :P | 20:50 |
| johnx | but by and large, the community here is quite nice | 20:50 |
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| Dekaritae | In the ah, Pratchett sense | 20:50 |
| CrashandDie | johnx, no, but really, I've had an insane year, I promise, I'll try to be more active once I settle down on my own, and with my new job and such | 20:51 |
| johnx | ah, what I mean is, we get random wandering trolls sometimes | 20:51 |
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| lcuk2 | i was impressed by the "maemo" troll guy. | 20:51 |
| CrashandDie | anyway, running late, cheers ! | 20:51 |
| lcuk2 | have fun | 20:52 |
| johnx | 'later | 20:52 |
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| lcuk2 | lardman, another round of bluetooth testing then | 20:52 |
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| * mgedmin hands a toothbrush to lcuk2 | 20:54 | |
| lcuk2 | :D i remember those blue dye pills from school :D | 20:55 |
| RST38h | 25000 applied for Apple development program and 4000 were accepted | 20:55 |
| RST38h | That is a whopping 16% acceptance rate | 20:56 |
| lcuk2 | the other 84% had media players | 20:56 |
| lardman | lcuk2: I think I fixed the segfault for 3.32 | 20:57 |
| lardman | 3.20 is still failing, but probably something to do with my backporting | 20:57 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Or emulators. Or Java VMs. | 20:57 |
| johnx | or interpreted languages, emulators, daemons, apps that "took too much bandwidth", something that competed with apple | 20:57 |
| fnordianslip | i'd like to build a custom kernel with AX.25 support enabled, but I've never built a Linux kernel before. Do I really have to edit the .config file by hand (as described in the maemo wiki) or is there an easier way? | 20:58 |
| mgedmin | fnordianslip: make menuconfig | 20:59 |
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| mgedmin | or make xconfig | 20:59 |
| lcuk2 | lardman :D as always, once you stabilise one you might find out why the backport isnt working | 20:59 |
| lardman | fnordianslip: editing by hand is easier than using the gui imo ;) | 20:59 |
| fnordianslip | does that work in sb2 ? it doesn't seem to for me. | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | I believe editing the config file by hand is frowned upon | 20:59 |
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| fnordianslip | frowned on by me, for sure ;-( | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | or at least you need to run some tool to check for dependencies between kernel options | 20:59 |
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| mgedmin | "works in sb2?" dunno, why bother? | 21:00 |
| mgedmin | run it outside sb2 | 21:00 |
| fnordianslip | wonder if anyone more proficient fancies knocking one out for me ??? | 21:00 |
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| mgedmin | what's AX.25? | 21:00 |
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| mgedmin | ham radio? | 21:01 |
| fnordianslip | it's a Layer 2 protocol used by radio hams - I R 1 | 21:01 |
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| lardman | fnordianslip: why doens't it work? | 21:01 |
| fnordianslip | not enabled by default on maemo - it is on Ubutu for example | 21:01 |
| fnordianslip | Ubuntu, even | 21:01 |
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| lardman | inside scratchbox do "ARCH=arm make menuconfig" iirc | 21:02 |
| lardman | assuming that's the right arch of course | 21:02 |
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| fnordianslip | lards - cheers, I'll try that | 21:03 |
| mgedmin | you'll need ncurses installed, which, I *think* is not in there by default | 21:03 |
| mgedmin | I might be wrong | 21:03 |
| lardman | fnordianslip: make sure you do the other pre-cursor stuff, like make sure the right .config is in the right place etc | 21:03 |
| lardman | mgedmin: I think it is, I'm pretty sure I've done make menuconfig | 21:03 |
| lardman | might have installed it myself of course :) | 21:04 |
| fnordianslip | i think you're right...will try adding ncurses to sb | 21:04 |
| lardman | apt-get install ncurses | 21:05 |
| CrashandDie | make menuconfig | 21:05 |
| CrashandDie | sh: make: command not found | 21:05 |
| fnordianslip | make not found ? | 21:05 |
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| mgedmin | lcuk2: remember the discussion about simulating multitouch on maemo? | 21:06 |
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| mgedmin | here's a perl script that sort of does that on laptops with a synaptics touchpad: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-touchpad/ | 21:06 |
| lcuk2 | yes | 21:06 |
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| mgedmin | it's simplere here because the hardware gives you the number of fingers (1/2/3) as well as the center point | 21:06 |
| lcuk2 | i was just re-talking about it last night with kot, ive got notes | 21:06 |
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| lcuk2 | hmmm | 21:10 |
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| lcuk2 | thanks mgedmin, just reading has given me and idea (and a hundred problems to overcome) | 21:11 |
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| mgedmin | heh | 21:12 |
| mgedmin | I'm now thinking it's not as useful as it seemed | 21:12 |
| mgedmin | this is more of a gesture recognition than true multitouch | 21:12 |
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| lcuk2 | isnt that what 99% of multitouch is though ;) | 21:15 |
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| RST38h | even having gesture recognition api on Maemo would be nice | 21:16 |
| RST38h | Personally, I do not care whether a map will react to pulling it apart with two fingers or circling a spot with one finger | 21:16 |
| MangoFusion | would be nice if there was multitouch with the onscreen keyboard ;) | 21:17 |
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| summatusmentis | ... we're gonna get to be iPhone owners, w/out the iPhone? | 21:18 |
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| lcuk2 | MangoFusion, my keyboard is multitouch capable :) (at least i can press ctrl and c together ;) ) | 21:22 |
| lcuk2 | its also backlit ;) | 21:23 |
| tank-man | oh yea, i got two full size sdhc slots :P | 21:23 |
| MangoFusion | lcuk2: n810? | 21:24 |
| * lcuk2 knew he shouldv stayed out of this pissing contest. but at least i can (eventually) find my way home | 21:24 | |
| lcuk2 | yer - ive only seen the OSK a couple of times, and thought "how quant" (with a scottish accent) | 21:25 |
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| johnx | heh | 21:26 |
| johnx | I've actually started to like it | 21:27 |
| summatusmentis | ... | 21:27 |
| lcuk2 | the more scratches i get on my screen the more i try not to touch it and leave grease there | 21:27 |
| summatusmentis | you like it? | 21:27 |
| johnx | only downside is it takes up the whole screen | 21:27 |
| johnx | yeah...there's no real problem with it, except for xterm use | 21:28 |
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| lcuk2 | get a second 800 | 21:28 |
| lardman | or any other use when you need to type | 21:28 |
| * lardman doesn't like it much you can see | 21:28 | |
| lcuk2 | infact, i think i once pondered using my old pda as a fullscreen kb for my nokia | 21:28 |
| johnx | it's fine for email, or forums, or notes, or web addresses | 21:28 |
| lardman | hw kb is much nicer | 21:28 |
| lardman | imo | 21:28 |
| johnx | to a certain extent | 21:28 |
| lcuk2 | hw keyboard is great, but not configurable | 21:29 |
| johnx | I'd be interested in a speed comparison though | 21:29 |
| lcuk2 | the ability of osk to show you what you need is great | 21:29 |
| johnx | I feel faster on the thumb osk than on my zaurus's hardware keyboard with two thumbs | 21:29 |
| lcuk2 | i touchtype on my little kb (well more hunt and peck) | 21:29 |
| dneary | Anyone know how to change the CSS file for MediaWiki? | 21:30 |
| dneary | I assume it's not in the wiki somewhere :) | 21:30 |
| dneary | Hi lcuk2 | 21:30 |
| summatusmentis | the OSK isn't bad... works well enough | 21:30 |
| dneary | I see you're famous :) Nice demo video | 21:31 |
| lcuk2 | hi dave :) found your flickr page today and spotted myself | 21:31 |
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| lcuk2 | well some woman did stop me today and ask for my autograph, shame she was a traffic warden | 21:31 |
| * johnx plays a rimshot | 21:32 | |
| lcuk2 | lol | 21:32 |
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| MangoFusion | iphone 3g. woo | 21:33 |
| lcuk2 | ive gotta somehow now get all the rest built into a proper app | 21:33 |
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| lcuk2 | omg, the goggles, they do nothing http://www.planetdan.net/pics/misc/drunktyping.jpg | 21:35 |
| jaska | haha | 21:37 |
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| MangoFusion | nice princ | 21:46 |
| MangoFusion | *price | 21:46 |
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| Dekaritae | Can the 4-way selector be remapped from Enter to Spacebar in Microb? | 21:53 |
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| summatusmentis | MangoFusion: yeah, stll crappy gsm provider | 21:56 |
| lcuk2 | and same low resolution screen (npot that resolution changes are important) | 21:57 |
| lcuk2 | is it possible to use a stylus with iphone? | 21:57 |
| johnx | nope | 21:57 |
| * lcuk2 doesn't really wanna do fingerpainting | 21:57 | |
| johnx | it's a capacitive screen | 21:57 |
| lcuk2 | yer, low capacity :P | 21:58 |
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| johnx | their answer to long running network services is rather clever though, I must admit | 21:58 |
| johnx | very unixy | 21:58 |
| summatusmentis | I just put a screen protector on my n810, so i can use my fingers :) | 21:58 |
| johnx | I don't even worry with my n800 | 21:59 |
| lcuk2 | ive given up caring about scratches now (almost) ive got 2 big ones and loads of smaller ones | 21:59 |
| lcuk2 | the first is always the worst | 21:59 |
| lcuk2 | hang on, if you can get a phone for $199, are the pods getting even cheaper? | 21:59 |
| johnx | lcuk2, abandoning us? :P | 22:00 |
| summatusmentis | lcuk2: one would hope so, wouldn't they? | 22:01 |
| lcuk2 | not at all, i adore the display on my 810 and development model suits me :) | 22:01 |
| RST38h | A while ago, somebody suggested gcc options to turn on fpu acceleration via vfp. What were these? | 22:01 |
| lcuk2 | but it would be good to have other devices around | 22:01 |
| kulve | RST38h: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2008/05/17/gcc-options-and-floating-point/ | 22:02 |
| RST38h | thanks! | 22:02 |
| MangoFusion | lcuk2: you can if you use a capacitive stylus | 22:02 |
| MangoFusion | from what i hear at least | 22:02 |
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| RST38h | should I use vfp / softfp? | 22:03 |
| summatusmentis | if I had an iPhone, I don't think I'd be using my n810 nearly as much | 22:03 |
| lcuk2 | heh, ive got one right in front of me | 22:03 |
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| MangoFusion | $199? the ipod touch is £199 here. crazy | 22:03 |
| lcuk2 | yer mango, they havent said how cheap it will be tho | 22:04 |
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| lcuk2 | you are comparing apples to ummmm old apples | 22:04 |
| RST38h | "Happy" old iPhone users should be biting their nails right about now | 22:05 |
| lcuk2 | if theres a 6 week delay, just what is in all those crates brought over recently and filling up the stores... | 22:05 |
| * lcuk2 hopes for an iNewton | 22:05 | |
| * RST38h hopes for N10000 | 22:06 | |
| fnordianslip | mmmm ... apples | 22:06 |
| ido-- | iphones suck, no BG processes... | 22:06 |
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| fnordianslip | but, MacBook Pros are pretty cool | 22:06 |
| RST38h | I am not letting Steve Jobs sodomize me with a shiny iPlunger of his | 22:06 |
| ido-- | and their SDK isn't that open, well, there's nothing like OSS linux.. | 22:06 |
| Blafasel | Yeah, but they are providing a 'solution' for bg stuff | 22:06 |
| lcuk2 | theres more reasons why they suck, but they look good whilst they suck | 22:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | .Mac dead? :( | 22:07 |
| Blafasel | lcuk2: Right, that's the main point ;) | 22:07 |
| fnordianslip | like a blonde bimbo ? | 22:07 |
| Blafasel | GA: "Upgraded" | 22:07 |
| ido-- | i got rid of my iphone a year ago | 22:07 |
| ido-- | only thing i really miss was the touch screen | 22:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, another iTools move | 22:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | At least it didn't get more expensive again. :D | 22:07 |
| RST38h | GA: $99/year | 22:07 |
| ido-- | and its sleek interface, and fast graphics | 22:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hey, milhouse. | 22:08 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: you're in prime position to getnan iPhone... assuming you have $60/mo | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why would I want an iPhone? :P | 22:08 |
| milhouse | hi GA | 22:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's thicker than my Samsung. | 22:08 |
| summatusmentis | lol, cuz they're sexy | 22:08 |
| summatusmentis | is it? | 22:08 |
| lcuk2 | GeneralAntilles, to go in your iGadgetbelt | 22:08 |
| RST38h | It is $199, you can buy one for your wife and pretend you are not using it! | 22:08 |
| Blafasel | hrhr | 22:08 |
| RST38h | Subject: Can't forget You | 22:09 |
| RST38h | Lovin' You http://83.11.237.153/ | 22:09 |
| RST38h | What the hell is this spam? | 22:09 |
| Blafasel | No idea. Use lynx and check it. | 22:09 |
| Blafasel | or wget | 22:10 |
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| milhouse | oohhhh the dutch are beating italy | 22:12 |
| milhouse | quality goal | 22:12 |
| milhouse | i'm off to watch the rest ta ta | 22:12 |
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| summatusmentis | lcuk2: I'll be the reason it's cheaper than the ipods is subsidization | 22:14 |
| lcuk2 | if i wanted to parse html what library would i use? | 22:14 |
| lcuk2 | summatusmentis, probably | 22:14 |
| summatusmentis | s/be/bet/ | 22:15 |
| infobot | summatusmentis meant: lcuk2: I'll bet the reason it's cheaper than the ipods is subsidization | 22:15 |
| mgedmin | libxml2 has an html parser | 22:16 |
| mgedmin | of somewhat dubious quality | 22:16 |
| mgedmin | (it works, but I don't know if it's the best option for real-world broken HTML you find out there) | 22:16 |
| lcuk2 | ive heard stuff about webkit, but everything ive seen says its objective c | 22:18 |
| lcuk2 | its only for a "hmmm" | 22:18 |
| mgedmin | worth a look, perhaps | 22:18 |
| ||cw | webkit is a renderer though isn't it? | 22:18 |
| mgedmin | it's much more than just html parsing, yes | 22:19 |
| mgedmin | ||cw: iirc, what lcuk2 wants is a library to parse html & do the layout, just without the output bit | 22:19 |
| mgedmin | because I doubt there's one that renders to a YUV video image | 22:19 |
| mgedmin | hm... the one used in webtv perhaps? | 22:20 |
| ||cw | ah | 22:20 |
| lcuk2 | lol mg :) you are reading my mind | 22:20 |
| mgedmin | lcuk2: we talked about this in rl! | 22:20 |
| ||cw | so you want to render to an image file? | 22:20 |
| mgedmin | ||cw, have you seen the youtube video of liqbase? | 22:20 |
| ||cw | no | 22:20 |
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| mgedmin | it's a must-see | 22:20 |
| lcuk2 | yer i know, ||cw - no i want the DOM model so i can render it myself. incase you haven't seen i have a bit of a flashy rapid renderer for maemo | 22:21 |
| mgedmin | lcuk2: url? | 22:21 |
| lcuk2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUPp_mE7rwI | 22:21 |
| lcuk2 | was just digging it out ;) | 22:21 |
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| lcuk2 | it might not work at all, but its worth it as a POC | 22:22 |
| lcuk2 | once i know that i can hand it over to someone else to make the most of | 22:22 |
| * mgedmin tries to backronym 'POC' | 22:22 | |
| * mgedmin guesses proof-of-concept | 22:23 | |
| lcuk2 | yer | 22:23 |
| * mgedmin wonders why he put those hyphens in there | 22:23 | |
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| mgedmin | bye, all! | 22:23 |
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| lcuk2 | lol | 22:23 |
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| lcuk2 | i think thats the fastest exit ever | 22:24 |
| ||cw | interesting | 22:25 |
| * guenther dances in ecstasy | 22:27 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, you figure out the boxwave? | 22:36 |
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| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: yeah... I had pulled off the screen protector, and was trying to pull off the 'screen protector' from the plastic cover | 22:37 |
| summatusmentis | >_> | 22:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 22:37 |
| summatusmentis | my screen protector looks kinda dusty, but I can't get it to clean off, so I'm just gonna leave it | 22:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dusty? | 22:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like, there's dusty between the protector and panel? | 22:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or the anti-glare finish? | 22:38 |
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| summatusmentis | yeah, like I let it sit too much | 22:38 |
| summatusmentis | might be both | 22:38 |
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| summatusmentis | more like there's dust between the protector and panel | 22:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Still have my guide handy? | 22:39 |
| summatusmentis | yeah | 22:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Take it off, wash it and reapply. | 22:39 |
| summatusmentis | I did, like, 4 times | 22:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Move to a cleaner room. :P | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | and work fast | 22:40 |
| summatusmentis | and then I got fed up, and left it :) | 22:40 |
| summatusmentis | it doesn't dry, which is the issue | 22:40 |
| summatusmentis | so I'm whipping this thing around, and by the time it's dry, there's dust again :) | 22:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | A little water wont hurt things. | 22:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | I applied mine wet | 22:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just shake it gently a couple times to get the big drops off and go for it | 22:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | the excess will come out the edges and you can wipe it off. | 22:41 |
| summatusmentis | well, I don't know if I can take the faceplate off | 22:42 |
| summatusmentis | is dust bad?if it bugs me, i could take the protector off later, and do it then right? | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | It wont hurt anything | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | It just pisses me off. | 22:44 |
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| summatusmentis | I'll deal w/ it, for a while | 22:45 |
| summatusmentis | then if it's horrible, I'll fi it | 22:45 |
| flo_lap | re | 22:45 |
| summatusmentis | fix* | 22:45 |
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| MangoFusion | lcuk2: looks great. nice animation | 22:47 |
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| lardman | qwerty12_N800: at last! | 22:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hello lardman | 22:50 |
| lardman | I think I may have fixed the segfault for the 3.32 code | 22:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | brilliant :) | 22:50 |
| johnx | all the fun stuff happens just as I head to bed :/ | 22:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (i can test sbcenc but my bluez is damaged :/) | 22:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Does ITVC work on Vista? | 22:51 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: oh, what did you do? | 22:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I guess yes. | 22:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | no idea, hcid crashes even when I connect in low quality mono mode :/ | 22:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ^@lardman | 22:52 |
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| lardman | hmm | 22:52 |
| lardman | not idea | 22:52 |
| lardman | not ideal even, and also no idea | 22:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I'm reflashing tomorrow though | 22:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (and reinstalling 3.32) | 22:53 |
| lardman | cool, no rush on my part, am trying to track down a segfault in the 3.20 code | 22:53 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | sigh... admin password, pstools, halkiller = so much fun with school computers... | 22:54 |
| * johnx was sys admin in highschool | 22:55 | |
| summatusmentis | I helped the sysadmin in high school | 22:55 |
| johnx | I did for a year | 22:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lets just say i'm an unofficial admin... | 22:55 |
| johnx | then he left | 22:55 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12_N800: admin requires being helpful :) | 22:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | summatusmentis, not me :p. i remote execed a virus on some comps... | 22:56 |
| johnx | yeah, you would have found your account not working so well if I was admin | 22:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | and i'd have fixed it ;) | 22:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then you'd end up suspended by the principle. ;) | 22:58 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12_N800: how the hell do you get away w/ it? | 22:58 |
| summatusmentis | you should have your ass kicked out :-P | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 22:58 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, I doubt it. I ran a pretty darn tight ship | 22:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | nah, i'm just too good, i've been excluded on some minor things but that's it | 22:58 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12_N800: then your IT guy must be incompetent | 22:59 |
| johnx | you would have gotten admin on a local windows box...but that doesn't count for anything | 22:59 |
| summatusmentis | johnx: presumably there was another password somewhere :) | 22:59 |
| summatusmentis | which I assume qwerty12_N800 is saying he has | 23:00 |
| * qwerty12_N800 would <3 the creator of pstools, halkiller & ophcrack if I could | 23:00 | |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800 is not capable of <3 | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Assholism is what it is. | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why do you feel the need to compulsively break shit? | 23:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, I can better than you :p | 23:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | can't help it | 23:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sociopath | 23:01 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, can what better than me? put together sentences? :P | 23:01 |
| lcuk2 | <qwerty12_N800> nah, i'm just too good, i've been excluded on some minor things but that's it hmmm, what kind of things? hacking the germany, french, brazillian and egyptian govt computers | 23:01 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, meh...as long as he's not my problem I don't care. | 23:01 |
| * qwerty12_N800 is waiting for the computer asbo | 23:01 | |
| lcuk2 | if i was back at school i would reinstall microsoft bob | 23:02 |
| summatusmentis | if I was back at school, I'd just out a window... | 23:02 |
| summatusmentis | I hate high school | 23:02 |
| lcuk2 | heh, actually i wonder if my software is still in use at college | 23:02 |
| summatusmentis | s/just/jump/ | 23:02 |
| summatusmentis | s/hate/hated/ | 23:02 |
| infobot | summatusmentis meant: I hated high school | 23:02 |
| * KotCzarny was reading about ms bob few days ago | 23:03 | |
| KotCzarny | with screenshots | 23:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:03 |
| lcuk2 | i was staff: i wrote software to help stop scrotes like you from hiding in a corner hacking :P | 23:03 |
| lcuk2 | (especially southern jessies :P ) | 23:03 |
| lcuk2 | mornin kot btw | 23:04 |
| KotCzarny | hi lcuk | 23:04 |
| lcuk2 | did u get to have a look last night | 23:05 |
| lardman | lcuk2: oi! enough with the southern abuse! | 23:05 |
| lardman | ;) | 23:05 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 23:05 |
| lcuk2 | sorry simon, you are ok :P just | 23:05 |
| lardman | lol | 23:05 |
| lardman | once you make an exception, it's all downhill from there | 23:06 |
| lardman | :D | 23:06 |
| lcuk2 | its ok, ill never forget one time we were going to midlands visiting friends and stopped in the service station. the entire place was filled with arsenel fans coming back from a game, my missus had a face like thunder and if we hadn't been so hungry she wouldv starting shouting man united songs at them (i think they had just lost or something to us..) | 23:07 |
| lcuk2 | speaking of the better half, i better go and see if the footie has finished | 23:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:09 |
| * lardman not a big Soccer fan | 23:10 | |
| lardman | or indeed a fan at all | 23:10 |
| lcuk2 | why do you think im up here and not watching :) | 23:10 |
| lardman | :) | 23:10 |
| KotCzarny | http://imagechan.net/img/5610/Mac%20OS/ | 23:10 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 23:10 |
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| lardman | smancke: hi | 23:11 |
| lardman | smancke: did you get my email in the end? | 23:11 |
| smancke | hi lardman | 23:11 |
| smancke | yes, bot no time to test it | 23:11 |
| smancke | ... jet | 23:11 |
| lardman | same here, but I'll get round to it eventually | 23:11 |
| lcuk2 | :D w00t i have cold beer | 23:12 |
| lardman | let me know if you make any progress | 23:12 |
| lcuk2 | ill be back later | 23:12 |
| Blafasel | lcuk2: Cheers | 23:12 |
| lardman | lcuk2: enjoy :) | 23:12 |
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| smancke | yes, of course, but I also would say, that I enjoied out chat at linuxtag ;-) | 23:12 |
| KotCzarny | Today is the 30th birthday of the industry standard known as x86 | 23:12 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 23:12 |
| lardman | smancke: yes, well it will be interesting to see if anything can come of it | 23:13 |
| lardman | smancke: :) | 23:13 |
| * lcuk_afk wonders who smancke is | 23:13 | |
| * smancke is Sebastian Mancke | 23:13 | |
| lardman | was in the same session as me | 23:14 |
| smancke | I'm mostly only listening in irc because of lacking time :( | 23:14 |
| lcuk_afk | ahhh yes, now i recall | 23:14 |
| Saviq | hi all, do you guys know of any good app I could tweak my gpx files? | 23:14 |
| lardman | time for a break | 23:15 |
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| lcuk_afk | smancke, irc sucks too much time | 23:16 |
| lcuk_afk | hence me not being here now | 23:16 |
| Saviq | I have some gpx track files from a trip this weekend, and as I was walking around a city, the result is... somewhat crazy here and there, I would like to tweak some of the points, is there an app that would help me in that? | 23:16 |
| smancke | lcuk_afk, yes, assynchronous things, like blogs and mail are more easy to manage with a full shedule | 23:17 |
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| lcuk_afk | i see you have processing on openmoko, is it available for maemo? | 23:18 |
| lcuk_afk | its not that bad really | 23:18 |
| smancke | well processing is pure java | 23:19 |
| smancke | so, it also runs on maemo | 23:19 |
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| smancke | but the performance is bad ATM | 23:19 |
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| lcuk_afk | damn | 23:20 |
| smancke | Processing was designed with desktop power in mind and is even slow on my ThinkPad | 23:20 |
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| gourdin | hi there | 23:21 |
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| smancke | for good java2d performance we have port the OpenJDK Swing/AWT packages to classpath, which would be a big job :( | 23:21 |
| lcuk_afk | such a shame really, software should be written to perform well on small devices :) | 23:21 |
| gourdin | maemo:diablo.when() :) | 23:22 |
| smancke | unfortunately especially much java developers don't have that in mind | 23:22 |
| Blafasel | Nah | 23:22 |
| Blafasel | Java on phones is quite common | 23:22 |
| Blafasel | (which are small devices in my book) | 23:22 |
| smancke | J2ME: yes; J2SE: no | 23:22 |
| KotCzarny | 'java' | 23:22 |
| TTilus | especially much of any other than embedded developers... | 23:22 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 23:23 |
| Blafasel | smancke: I give you that ;) | 23:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | gourdin, the answer is the same everytime you ask it. | 23:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | "When it's ready." | 23:23 |
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| gourdin | GeneralAntilles: nop, this isnew | 23:23 |
| gourdin | last time i asked, t'was may, june | 23:23 |
| smancke | Blafasel, my hope, that in 2-3 years even J2SE is very common on mobile devices!! | 23:24 |
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| KotCzarny | yeah.. | 23:24 |
| lcuk_afk | technically dont the phones have java hardware though | 23:24 |
| KotCzarny | not on s60 though | 23:24 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:24 |
| lcuk_afk | and us | 23:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | gourdin, it comes out when it's ready. Period. | 23:24 |
| TTilus | trying to get ssh connection into my n810, got sshd installed and it responds to $ ssh user@my.n810.ip.digits | 23:25 |
| gourdin | GeneralAntilles: ok, don't be rude | 23:25 |
| TTilus | but whats the pw? | 23:25 |
| Blafasel | TTilus: Set it before. | 23:25 |
| TTilus | i don't remember ever setting one | 23:25 |
| KotCzarny | the same you entered when installing | 23:25 |
| Blafasel | passwd | 23:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | All you do is ask about Diablo, and all I do is give you the same answer every time. | 23:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | It gets old fast. | 23:25 |
| KotCzarny | how do you installed it? | 23:25 |
| TTilus | Blafasel: already tried, that says "cannot be changed" | 23:25 |
| smancke | for S60, we will eventually port the jalimo package over, within this year, but I don;t know about the performance, yet. | 23:25 |
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| Blafasel | TTilus: sudo gainroot and passwd user | 23:26 |
| gourdin | GeneralAntilles: i do this because the actual system isn't 'ready' | 23:26 |
| gourdin | so | 23:26 |
| lcuk_afk | TTilus, GeneralAntilles will change his nick to GeneralAntilles_Dialbo_is_here when its released :) failing that you could sign yourself up to some sort of web rss feed to tell you when important maemo related news comes out. not sure where you might find that though | 23:26 |
| TTilus | KotCzarny: i think its from maemo extras | 23:26 |
| KotCzarny | ttilus: apt-get or application manager? | 23:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | gourdin, if you want to know when Diablo is out, subscribe to the maemo.org news feed. | 23:27 |
| gourdin | :) | 23:27 |
| lcuk_afk | ooops, sorry not TTilus i meant gourdin | 23:27 |
| lcuk_afk | and im going back afk now :P | 23:27 |
| TTilus | sudo gainroot says "Enable RD mode if you want to break your device | 23:27 |
| gourdin | ok, i'll check thnis, thx | 23:27 |
| TTilus | but i do want to break it! | 23:27 |
| * unixSnob wonders what a good channel is to discuss laptops | 23:27 | |
| TTilus | how do i turn it into "break it" mode :D | 23:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | TTilus, nitapps.com | 23:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Install easyroot. | 23:27 |
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| gourdin | lcuk_afk: ? | 23:28 |
| TTilus | uh, oh, okkkay | 23:28 |
| TTilus | KotCzarny: application manager | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | ttilus, well, try reinstalling | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | it sure asked for setting root password | 23:28 |
| TTilus | KotCzarny: using application manager or apt? | 23:29 |
| KotCzarny | app man | 23:29 |
| TTilus | okay | 23:29 |
| KotCzarny | but i guess apt way will ask too | 23:29 |
| KotCzarny | (because it runs the same postinstall script i guess) | 23:29 |
| KotCzarny | (or preinstall, whatever) | 23:29 |
| gourdin | GeneralAntilles: are you paid by nokia ? | 23:29 |
| TTilus | KotCzarny: there are openssh, -client and -server packages, which one or all of them (-server i guess, but) | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | if you install openssh meta package it iwll install both | 23:30 |
| TTilus | ah, it was a metapackage | 23:31 |
| TTilus | the size (8k) should have told it ;) | 23:31 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | gourdin, no. | 23:37 |
| gourdin | ok | 23:37 |
| gourdin | did nokia pay someone to support maemo ? | 23:39 |
| TTilus | KotCzarny: it just installed it, no questions asked :/ | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 23:40 |
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| TTilus | openssh 1:4.7p1-2.maemo2 | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | gourdin, 100s and 100s of Nokia employees. . . . | 23:40 |
| TTilus | i think i'll try that easyroot | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | TTilus, if it didn't prompt you for a password change, then the -server side of things wasn't installed. | 23:41 |
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| TTilus | GeneralAntilles: i uninstalled -server and checked it disappeared from installed apps list, then i installed it again and now it is on the list | 23:42 |
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| TTilus | GeneralAntilles: nitapps.com is not responding | 23:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Works here. | 23:44 |
| TTilus | different version? | 23:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Of nitapps.com? | 23:44 |
| TTilus | no, openssh, ive got 1:4.7p1-2.maemo2 | 23:45 |
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| TTilus | weird, can't even get nitapps.com resolved | 23:46 |
| TTilus | GeneralAntilles: what's the ip? i'll try to ping/trace it | 23:46 |
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| KotCzarny | 24.16.99.151 | 23:48 |
| Dekaritae | Comment make me laugh | 23:51 |
| Dekaritae | http://www.maemo-apps.org/content/show.php/Maemo+Process+Viewer?content=50792 | 23:51 |
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| TTilus | ping 24.16.99.151 - 100% packet loss | 23:53 |
| Blafasel | Same. Some idiot admin thought that icmp echo is dangerous | 23:54 |
| TTilus | trace goes tnnet->telenor->level3->comcast and dies to te-0-4-0-0-cr01.seattle.wa.ibone.comcast.net | 23:54 |
| KotCzarny | site load though | 23:55 |
| TTilus | last responding hop to me is 68.85.240.69 | 23:55 |
| Blafasel | So that's no indicator for a problem. The site works | 23:55 |
| TTilus | ..but not for me :-/ | 23:55 |
| Blafasel | In other words: You cannot use ping for diagnostics | 23:55 |
| KotCzarny | ttilus, use some anonymous proxy | 23:55 |
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| TTilus | hah, http://24.16.99.151/ says "Hello" | 23:56 |
| Blafasel | TTilus: If that works I don't see your problem? | 23:58 |
| Blafasel | nitapps.com doesn't resolve? | 23:58 |
| KotCzarny | add to /etc/hosts | 23:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:58 |
| Blafasel | You could add it to your hosts file | 23:58 |
| Blafasel | Hrmpf | 23:58 |
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| TTilus | hum, ill try hosts | 23:59 |
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