| unixSnob | Mines been going for a year now.. but I don't abuse it | 00:00 |
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| shackan | unixSnob: but we just concluded sirf III is bad, haven't we? | 00:00 |
| unixSnob | shackan: yeah, in terms of battery, it's not the best | 00:00 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: know of any powered that way? | 00:00 |
| unixSnob | but you won't get the best of all attributes in any one device | 00:00 |
| shackan | of course | 00:00 |
| unixSnob | shackan: I know the gpslim will go a few hours | 00:01 |
| shackan | bleah | 00:01 |
| unixSnob | but the MTK will go for like 12 hrs, from what I hear | 00:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, NiMH? | 00:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | More like 20, unixSnob. | 00:01 |
| unixSnob | shackan: I haven't tested the gpslim beyond 3 hrs.. could go longer | 00:01 |
| shackan | as long as it gets 5 hours a day, can do | 00:02 |
| shackan | I want to study my daily commute | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd definitely go with an MTK | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wouldn't even consider a SiRF III | 00:02 |
| shackan | to compute the best time to leave at morning and quit in the evening :) | 00:03 |
| * unixSnob noticed iwconfig is not part of maemo's canned toolset | 00:04 | |
| lcuk | shackan, ive often thought of that, it would get interesting if you overlaid your screen with a HUD showing phantoms from your best days ;) | 00:04 |
| Dekaritae | Does N800 FM support broadcast? I am thinking of AX.25 data link | 00:04 |
| unixSnob | is there a CLI replacement for iwconfig in maemo? | 00:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, Dekaritae. | 00:04 |
| qwerty12-N800 | unixSnob, www.nitapps.com | 00:04 |
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| unixSnob | qwerty12-N800: are you saying I have to install something? I was just wondering if there was a stock tool first.. I might be satisfied with what it uses by default | 00:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to poke that guy to get his stuff into Extras. | 00:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | I sent him an email a few weeks ago but never got a reply. | 00:06 |
| qwerty12-N800 | unixSnob, iwconfig/wireless-tools is on that site. | 00:06 |
| unixSnob | qwerty12-N800: thanks. I'll install wireless-tools if needed.. and from what it sounds like, it's needed | 00:07 |
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| * qwerty12-N800 needs to update conky to the latest svn and some other mods. If I'm pleased, I'll dump it in extras. | 00:10 | |
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| Dekaritae | RescoViewer on Garnet VM loads fine. Image Viewer and Quiver crap out | 00:18 |
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| Tu13es | gah | 00:23 |
| Tu13es | trying to flash my n770 OS2008HE back to 2007HE or 2006, | 00:23 |
| Tu13es | the flasher quits after Version of 'sw-release': <no version> | 00:24 |
| Tu13es | any thoughts? | 00:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What command, Tu13es? | 00:24 |
| Tu13es | ./flasher-2.0.macosx <firmware> -f -R | 00:25 |
| Tu13es | tried 3.0 also | 00:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, no wonder. :P | 00:25 |
| Tu13es | hm? | 00:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | ./flasher-2.0.macosx -F <FIASCO image> -f -R | 00:25 |
| Tu13es | :P | 00:25 |
| Tu13es | heh | 00:26 |
| Tu13es | thanks GeneralAntilles | 00:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure | 00:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do a sudo mv ./flasher-2.0.macosx /usr/local/bin/flasher-2.0 while you're at it. | 00:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | and make sure /usr/local/bin A. Exists and B. Is in your search path. | 00:27 |
| Tu13es | eh this works :P | 00:27 |
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| mrlanrat | Does anyone know if Diablo will support AD2P? | 00:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, mrlanrat. | 00:34 |
| mrlanrat | ok | 00:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lardman's making quite a bit of progress, though. | 00:35 |
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| fysa | modest is really getting on my nerves. | 00:39 |
| Tu13es | anyone know the repository I want for python2.5? | 00:39 |
| Tu13es | on os2007he on a n770 | 00:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | fysa, why? | 00:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Extras, Tu13es. | 00:40 |
| summatusmentis | what'd n770 come with from the factory? | 00:40 |
| fysa | trying to grab all mail from gmail, and it keeps 'sticking' on something and doesn't download anything newer until I nuke something. | 00:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also, there's no such thing as an "n770" | 00:40 |
| fysa | deleting the cache now | 00:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, they'd ship with OS2006 if they were still in production. | 00:40 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: really? just the 770? | 00:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, the 770 isn't part of the N-series. | 00:40 |
| summatusmentis | right, that's what I was asking | 00:41 |
| Tu13es | GeneralAntilles: I only see python-efi-core-demo, python2.5-abook, python2.5-edje-demo, python2.5-feedparser, python2.5-pyinotify | 00:41 |
| summatusmentis | the N-series entails what exactly? | 00:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tu13es, just install something that depends on it. | 00:41 |
| unixSnob | fysa: what's modest? is that the stock email tool? | 00:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like Canola or something. | 00:41 |
| Tu13es | GeneralAntilles: I tried and it complained about not having those packages | 00:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | unixSnob, http://modest.garage.maemo.org | 00:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, Nokia devices whose model numbers are preceded by an N. :P | 00:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's their high-end media/internet devices. | 00:42 |
| summatusmentis | so why did 770 not qualify? | 00:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | It just wasn't part of the N-series. | 00:42 |
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| AStorm | summatusmentis: it was experimental | 00:42 |
| AStorm | and first | 00:42 |
| summatusmentis | oh | 00:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | and its media playback sucked. | 00:43 |
| summatusmentis | :-/ bum deal, Sprint doesn't have any nokia devices available | 00:43 |
| fysa | the first 377 are coming down, but not the 8000 after that. | 00:43 |
| AStorm | we need 600 MHz in the same form factor as the current one ;P | 00:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, OMAP3 | 00:43 |
| AStorm | and some improved battery ;P | 00:43 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: yeah, OMAP3 would be great | 00:43 |
| AStorm | although, price... | 00:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which, as far as I can tell from the Pandora guys, is going to be very overclockable. | 00:44 |
| fysa | I want NIT/maemo with the new nvidia tegra. | 00:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why price? | 00:44 |
| unixSnob_dialup | fysa: fetchmail would solve your issue w/ the stuck email | 00:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | fysa, what's this lame Tegra fetish everyone's got? | 00:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's just marketing hype bullshit. | 00:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | They only interesting thing about the Tegra is the GPU | 00:44 |
| summatusmentis | fysa: I wasnt NIT/maemo w/ phone capability | 00:44 |
| summatusmentis | but hey :) | 00:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | You do realize the CPU is just an ARM11 core like the OMAP2, right? | 00:45 |
| lcuk | coupled with an arm processor and a whole computer | 00:45 |
| fysa | I like accessible GPUs. | 00:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, bleh, I don't. | 00:45 |
| lcuk | and proven stability | 00:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, don't start in on this line again. There's nothing proven about a chip that isn't in production yet. | 00:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | fysa, that's what we'll be getting with OMAP3. | 00:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | If the word from LinuxTag is anything to go by. | 00:45 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: why? that'd be awesome | 00:46 |
| fysa | modest work with standard mail directory format? | 00:46 |
| pupnik | GeneralAntilles++ | 00:46 |
| pupnik | I prefer TI's approach to open-source over nvidia's | 00:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2005/11/it-is-not-cell-phone-and-it-is-good.html | 00:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Making it a phone isn't just waving a magic wand and having it be a phone | 00:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | there's a lot of other bullshit involved that would kill a lot of what's good about maemo. | 00:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | fysa, Modest works fine with my GMail. | 00:48 |
| summatusmentis | I know making it a phone isn't easy | 00:48 |
| fysa | downloading only 'new' or resetting gmail pop to start from the beginning? | 00:48 |
| fysa | I'm stuck in 2005. | 00:48 |
| unixSnob_dialup | fysa: that's why i like fetchmail ... gives me control over that.. I can force downloads of already read mail, for example, and set my own size limits | 00:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | fysa, it downloaded my 2000 mails just fine. | 00:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | IMAP | 00:49 |
| fysa | yeah, but that's just headers? | 00:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, I guess. | 00:50 |
| fysa | or can it cache everything? | 00:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why POP over IMAP? | 00:50 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: that post makes sense I suppose, I really just want data all the time :) | 00:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, then get WiMAX or something. | 00:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | or get a tethering cellphone | 00:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | move out of nowhere. ;) | 00:50 |
| summatusmentis | yeah, I'm gonna go the tethering cellphone route soon, I think | 00:50 |
| summatusmentis | the living in nowhere part is the primary issue :) | 00:50 |
| fysa | because most of the messages I want are 3-4mb documents, and would prefer to have them on the device when I head out the door for a trip | 00:50 |
| fysa | without having to worry about connectivity/downloading over EDGE (or making sure they're downloaded before getting on a plane) | 00:51 |
| fysa | I was planning on using both IMAP and POP. | 00:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | You sure you have enough space on the device to hold them all? | 00:51 |
| fysa | 16GB x2 | 00:51 |
| fysa | :) | 00:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Are you booting from that? | 00:51 |
| fysa | yep | 00:51 |
| fysa | 5GB set aside for mail and work docs | 00:52 |
| unixSnob_dialup | damn.. it's getting close to dusk. My evdo always goes haywire at dusk | 00:52 |
| fysa | haha | 00:52 |
| fysa | checked df, nothing is more than 12% full (other than initfs) | 00:53 |
| fysa | feels like an indexing issue | 00:53 |
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| fysa | gotta run | 00:53 |
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| summatusmentis | where can I set the hostname on my n810? | 00:57 |
| unixSnob_dialup | /etc/hostname? | 00:57 |
| summatusmentis | will that do it for everythign? | 00:57 |
| summatusmentis | everything** | 00:57 |
| summatusmentis | I didn't know if maemo had some other setting somewhere | 00:58 |
| unixSnob_dialup | the info might be repeated in /etc/hosts | 00:58 |
| unixSnob_dialup | but I'm not sure where else it appears | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | /etc/hahasummatusmentiscantfindthis/norly/hostname | 00:58 |
| unixSnob_dialup | xD | 00:59 |
| unixSnob_dialup | it's not /etc/hostname like I would have expected | 00:59 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: I know where it's normally set :) | 00:59 |
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| wolfspirit | What are some of the advantages of using the straight debian port instead of os2008... or are there any? | 01:48 |
| GAN800 | If you don't know it's probably not for you. ;) | 01:49 |
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| wolfspirit | Well I haven't done a lot of research past reading a brief description of it... I know it said that most of the x86 packages were availbe for it but I wonder if I would lose some of the touchscreen and virtual keyboard functionality | 01:54 |
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| wolfspirit | I also assume maemo apps might not work | 01:57 |
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| lardman | Good stuff, I've got the dsp-sbc encoder working inline with the sbcenc code (so hopefully should just slot into the Bluex code) | 02:01 |
| lardman | but, it seems to lock up occasionally, and I've no real idea why :( | 02:02 |
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| wolfspirit | Anyone here use debian/xfce and prefer it to os2008? | 02:09 |
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| lardman | good good, tweaked and much more reliable now :) | 02:13 |
| lardman | wolfspirit: If you use it I don;t think you can use maemo apps | 02:13 |
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| lardman | but that might not be a big issue for you | 02:14 |
| GAN800 | Yes, but will it make me coffee, lardman? :P | 02:15 |
| lardman | GAN800: SBC? Give me 10min and you never know ;) | 02:15 |
| GAN800 | Hehe | 02:15 |
| lardman | I'm pretty tired now, but am thinking about compiling Bluez-utils and testing | 02:15 |
| wolfspirit | The only one I would be considered about would be maemo mapper and I know there should be an alternative... Would be cool to get awt java apps working... do you have problems with apps not fitting the screen? | 02:17 |
| lardman | wolfspirit: I've not done much testing with Java, sorry | 02:17 |
| rm_you | wolfspirit: getting java working would be sweet, but prolly slow | 02:17 |
| rm_you | regardless, would be awesome, since Java is the language i know best | 02:17 |
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| rm_you | lardman: how goes it? :P | 02:18 |
| GAN800 | Awesome . . . the cat sat on my bt keyboard and crashed hildon-desktop. <_< | 02:18 |
| wolfspirit | I mean in general are there a lot of apps that don't fit the screen? | 02:18 |
| rm_you | GAN800: Bug report: improper placement of cat on keyboard causes hildon-desktop crash | 02:18 |
| GAN800 | cc Quim and Ari | 02:19 |
| rm_you | morning all :) | 02:19 |
| lardman | rm_you: appears to work, just thinking about compiling Bluez-utils with my patches to see if it will work with mplayer and the like | 02:19 |
| wolfspirit | You have to recompile with the --cat option | 02:20 |
| lardman | --de-cat surely! | 02:20 |
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| rm_you | lardman: omg do it :P and give me binaries! :P | 02:20 |
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| lardman | lol | 02:20 |
| lardman | sure | 02:20 |
| lardman | or you can compile your own from the svn ;) | 02:20 |
| rm_you | lol | 02:21 |
| lardman | I'm just adding the last refinement - let the use choose the method via an env var as suggested by bmidgley | 02:21 |
| * rm_you has no idea whats going on with bluez | 02:21 | |
| lardman | twas on the list today/yesterday | 02:22 |
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| lardman | hmm, scratchbox seems to be having a bad day for me: | 02:32 |
| lardman | checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. | 02:32 |
| rm_you | <_< | 02:33 |
| lardman | I've no idea what's up with that | 02:34 |
| rm_you | could be a permissions issue | 02:35 |
| rm_you | look in the configure script for that test and find out what they're doing | 02:35 |
| rm_you | they prolly have a oneliner that they're trying to compile and run | 02:35 |
| rm_you | does C have a builtin mutex object? | 02:37 |
| lardman | not permissions | 02:37 |
| rm_you | or should i just use an int <_< | 02:37 |
| lardman | and it's bluez-utils from the repo, so I'd expect it to work, except for the missing Flex dep of course ;) | 02:37 |
| lardman | rm_you: not sure, sorry | 02:37 |
| rm_you | ah | 02:37 |
| rm_you | #include <pthread.h> | 02:38 |
| rm_you | pthread_mutexattr_t mattr; | 02:38 |
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| rm_you | i guess | 02:38 |
| rm_you | or i GUESS i can use an int | 02:38 |
| rm_you | lol | 02:38 |
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| rm_you | crap, i dont remember any of my parallel programming stuff <_< | 02:42 |
| rm_you | damn i wish I did better in that class | 02:42 |
| rm_you | ok... pthreads... | 02:43 |
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| rm_you | anyone know if I can set a pthread mutex to automatically unlock itself after a certain amount of time? | 02:50 |
| rm_you | ah SWEET | 02:50 |
| rm_you | pthread_mutex_timedlock_np() | 02:50 |
| lardman | good luck rm_you | 02:51 |
| lardman | I've uploaded the source if you're interested, but binaries will have to wait until tomorrow | 02:51 |
| * lcuk snaps his fingers | 02:51 | |
| lardman | time for bed | 02:51 |
| lcuk | nite simon | 02:51 |
| lardman | night all | 02:51 |
| rm_you | ok | 02:51 |
| rm_you | night lardman | 02:51 |
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| rm_you | s/lardman/simon/ | 02:51 |
| infobot | rm_you meant: night simon | 02:51 |
| rm_you | :P | 02:51 |
| lcuk | oooooh yes, doctor who was good tonigh | 02:51 |
| rm_you | omg | 02:52 |
| * rm_you needs to get that ep | 02:52 | |
| rm_you | i think i'm behind a week too | 02:52 |
| rm_you | last i saw was the unicorn and the wasp | 02:52 |
| lcuk | then its a double episode and its a good one | 02:52 |
| rm_you | !! | 02:52 |
| * rm_you dies | 02:52 | |
| lcuk | some days nobody dies at all | 02:53 |
| GAN800 | rm_you, what about configurable hardware keys? | 02:53 |
| rm_you | GAN800: ah | 02:54 |
| rm_you | a spinner that sets the hardware key jumpsize | 02:54 |
| rm_you | doable | 02:54 |
| GAN800 | Instead of using the dpad for incremental changes, allow the use to set them to 'favorites' keys. | 02:54 |
| GAN800 | Well, that too. | 02:55 |
| rm_you | i'm curious... why don't the VOLUME keys change the volume, and up/down go to your two "favorites" for brightness level | 02:55 |
| GAN800 | Each dpad direction can be set to a favorite that will change volume, brightness, or both to pre-specified levels. | 02:56 |
| rm_you | really only need two, bright and dim | 02:56 |
| GAN800 | Oh | 02:56 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, I like that. | 02:56 |
| rm_you | i am working on volume beep as we speak | 02:56 |
| GAN800 | We can hijack the fullscreen key, too. | 02:57 |
| rm_you | lol | 02:58 |
| GAN800 | N810 users could feasibly use the whole keyboard, too, if that doesn't seem like too much overkill. :P | 02:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, ping. | 03:10 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles, pong | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | The garage bug tracker is weird | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Version numbers are 1.0 and 1.1 | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | and Components are "Cog A" and "Cog B" | 03:11 |
| rm_you | change them | 03:12 |
| rm_you | to 0.9, 0.9b, 0.9c and 1.0 | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where's the control panel? | 03:12 |
| rm_you | err | 03:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and do I have those privileges? | 03:12 |
| rm_you | somewhere? :/ | 03:12 |
| rm_you | i think so | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 03:12 |
| rm_you | if not i'll give them to you | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I fail at gforge. :P | 03:12 |
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| rm_you | do we NEED component? | 03:14 |
| rm_you | ah | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, not really. | 03:14 |
| rm_you | i'll make component: backlight, and component: sound | 03:14 |
| rm_you | and maybe component: ui | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | maybe one for N810 light sensor daemon whenever that rolls around. :P | 03:14 |
| rm_you | misc | 03:15 |
| rm_you | done | 03:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Weird | 03:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Still the Cogs | 03:16 |
| rm_you | refresh? | 03:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did | 03:17 |
| rm_you | oh | 03:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Let me trying forcing | 03:17 |
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| rm_you | no | 03:17 |
| rm_you | i figured it out | 03:17 |
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| rm_you | k? | 03:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Perfect | 03:22 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: also use the Tasks area | 03:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I'll build the task relationships in a sec | 03:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | No permissions to add tasks. | 03:33 |
| rm_you | <_< | 03:33 |
| rm_you | sec | 03:33 |
| rm_you | you should be able to | 03:34 |
| rm_you | but i just gave you admin on both of those | 03:35 |
| rm_you | tracker and tasks | 03:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Also, you want to consider moving to svn? | 03:35 |
| rm_you | yes | 03:36 |
| rm_you | would be nice | 03:36 |
| rm_you | i'll do the first checkin | 03:36 |
| rm_you | just need to find the info for the svn server | 03:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=564 | 03:37 |
| rm_you | k, doing checkin | 03:40 |
| rm_you | this will make development much easier | 03:41 |
| rm_you | shoulda done this a long time ago | 03:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 03:41 |
| rm_you | i use svn on *all* of my other projects <_< | 03:41 |
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| rm_you | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=adv-backlight | 03:43 |
| rm_you | :) | 03:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cool :D | 03:43 |
| rm_you | err | 03:44 |
| rm_you | the .so shouldnt be there | 03:44 |
| rm_you | unless you think i should check in the latest binary so n00bs can get it :P | 03:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 03:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's what the downloads directory a few steps up is for. :P | 03:45 |
| rm_you | k | 03:46 |
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| rm_you | ok anyway... | 03:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, all the tasks should be set up and linked to the bugs. | 03:49 |
| rm_you | k | 03:49 |
| rm_you | ima go get some food :) | 03:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Sounds like a wise plan. | 03:49 |
| * GeneralAntilles does too. | 03:49 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, http://flors.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/roll-the-scroll/ | 03:51 |
| lcuk | yer i noticed :) | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now you HAVE to release binaries. :P | 03:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Little known fact, if your application demo is featured on a Nokian's blog, you are required BY LAW to release binaries. | 03:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Otherwise, you might just become a part of the Great Nokia Trout-Walloping Expedition of 2008 | 03:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | and not on the fun side. | 03:53 |
| lcuk | heh | 03:55 |
| lcuk | few little things to do and i think ill have extracted the good stuff from the playground and actually have some actual apps from it | 03:56 |
| lcuk | i need more space for new ideas so ill fold up what i have now into proper apps and get things out to people | 03:57 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 04:00 |
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| KotCzarny | lcuk, you should tease ga and release it as shareware | 04:03 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 04:03 |
| rm_you | rofl | 04:05 |
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| KotCzarny | lol | 04:05 |
| lcuk | lol kot | 04:06 |
| lcuk | it would suit my amiga mindset :) | 04:06 |
| KotCzarny | and he didn't saw the insult :) | 04:06 |
| rm_you | gj KotCzarny, you killed GA | 04:06 |
| KotCzarny | *innocent* | 04:06 |
| lcuk | question for none gan800, is gan800 generalantilles.. ? serious q | 04:07 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 04:07 |
| rm_you | yes | 04:08 |
| rm_you | GenerANtilles n800 | 04:08 |
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| rm_you | so, on a very tiny version of xchat :P | 04:08 |
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| lcuk | yer i know it looked similar, thanks :) | 04:09 |
| KotCzarny | breakfast time | 04:09 |
| lcuk | no rm, i thought they were same at first, but ive seen a few chats where gen has changed "modes" quickly between account names that i thought they were different.. | 04:10 |
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| rm_you | heh | 04:10 |
| rm_you | I could have TWO assistants :P | 04:10 |
| lcuk | lol | 04:10 |
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| GAN800 | I usually switch to the real keyboard when I need to troubleshoot or explain something to someone. ;) | 04:13 |
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| lcuk | yer, you are a bit terse on the small one - that probably explains it | 04:13 |
| GAN800 | I'm fast on the finger keyboard, but not fast enough. | 04:14 |
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| GAN800 | set it down and hit the x. . . . | 04:18 |
| lcuk | gnite one and all :) enjoy your breakfast kot | 04:23 |
| KotCzarny | nite nite | 04:24 |
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| Dekaritae | GAN800: Problems fix | 04:40 |
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| robink | Does Maemo on the N810 try to log on as user or as UID 29999? | 04:47 |
| timelyx | heh | 04:53 |
| timelyx | you want to rename user to something else? | 04:53 |
| robink | Yeah | 04:53 |
| timelyx | do you have sshd installed? | 04:54 |
| robink | Yes | 04:54 |
| robink | I also have R&D mode enabled so I can drop into a root shell | 04:54 |
| timelyx | so do you really want to read the sources, or just do it ? :) | 04:54 |
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| * timelyx would of course make sure sshd has some authorized_keys available, but.. | 04:55 | |
| robink | I''d like to just do it | 04:55 |
| robink | ...but if I were pointed in the right direction, I'd happily look through the sources as well | 04:56 |
| Dekaritae | So, recommend unto me case for N800 | 04:57 |
| Dekaritae | Wallet case prefer | 04:57 |
| unixSnob_dialup | anyone notice that if you click on an mp3 file in the browser, it launches media player then immediately loses the file? | 04:57 |
| timelyx | robink: well, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb would let you use http://mxr.maemo.org/os2008 to browse through the sources ... | 04:58 |
| timelyx | unixSnob_dialup: define loses? | 04:58 |
| unixSnob_dialup | timelyx: media player gives error "file not found" | 04:59 |
| timelyx | heh | 05:00 |
| timelyx | do you have a url in mind? | 05:00 |
| timelyx | (urls are appreciated when dealing w/ web browsers...) | 05:00 |
| * pupnik passes around grimey tuna milkshakes for all | 05:00 | |
| unixSnob_dialup | m.grandcentral.com | 05:00 |
| timelyx | um | 05:01 |
| timelyx | i'm not making a username :) | 05:01 |
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| robink | I broke my N810 trying to change user to someone else | 05:01 |
| robink | Reflashed and now the application manager isn't updating the list of applications. | 05:01 |
| unixSnob_dialup | timelyx: it's more difficult than that, actually.. you need an invite | 05:01 |
| timelyx | unixSnob_dialup: WONTFIX ;-) | 05:02 |
| timelyx | NEEDTESTCASE (minimal of course) | 05:02 |
| timelyx | anyway... http://web-sniffer.net/ can help w/ normal content | 05:03 |
| unixSnob_dialup | I wouldn't expect the particular site to make a difference.. the browser botches the handoff to the media player | 05:03 |
| timelyx | and in this very rare case you might benefit from strace -f to figure out which file names apps are using | 05:03 |
| timelyx | unixSnob_dialup: i'm the browserSnob | 05:03 |
| timelyx | and i don't take kindly to people assuming the browser is always broken :) | 05:03 |
| timelyx | it's 5am on a sunday, i have better things to do than listen to whining :) | 05:03 |
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| timelyx | (sleeping comes to mind) | 05:04 |
| timelyx | if mp3 files never worked in the browser, you can be sure we'd have heard about it | 05:04 |
| timelyx | and in fact, we couldn't have shipped that way ... | 05:04 |
| timelyx | actually, having dinner would have been a better activity, but all the food places closed 4mins ago | 05:05 |
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| GAN800 | no refrigerator? | 05:06 |
| unixSnob_dialup | If I save the mp3 file instead of opening it from the browser, and then launch the file in the file manager, it hands the mp3 file off to the media player just fine | 05:08 |
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| timelyx | presumably if you load "/" in the browser and browse to the mp3 file, that too works... | 05:10 |
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| Navi | timelyx, it does | 05:13 |
| timelyx | Navi: this is for unixSnob_dialup ... i know it works :), unixSnob_dialup needs to experience it | 05:14 |
| Navi | mmk | 05:14 |
| Navi | ooh, dialup | 05:14 |
| timelyx | does anyone here even remember dialup? | 05:14 |
| Navi | I do, I do | 05:14 |
| * timelyx remembers 2400 baud (and occasional downgrades to 1200 ..) | 05:15 | |
| Navi | I'm not old enough for that | 05:15 |
| KotCzarny | i do, and if you treat gprs as dialup too.. ;) | 05:15 |
| timelyx | it isn't | 05:15 |
| KotCzarny | well | 05:15 |
| KotCzarny | it uses ppp | 05:15 |
| timelyx | dialup is when you use your cell phone for a POT call and then connect to a normal ISP | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | My first modem was 2400 baud. | 05:16 |
| timelyx | and get double billed :) | 05:16 |
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| KotCzarny | heh | 05:16 |
| * GeneralAntilles recalls lusting over a 14k | 05:16 | |
| * rm_you recalls his first 24.4 modem | 05:16 | |
| timelyx | i'm not sure i've ever really done that, but i know that we support it :) | 05:16 |
| timelyx | 28.8 ? | 05:16 |
| timelyx | 14.4 x2 | 05:16 |
| rm_you | err yes | 05:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 05:17 |
| rm_you | 28.8 | 05:17 |
| * timelyx remembers v56 and flex and v2 and what a mess | 05:17 | |
| rm_you | it was on a *LAPTOP* | 05:17 |
| derf | Kids. | 05:17 |
| derf | We had 300 baud and we _liked_ it. | 05:17 |
| rm_you | one of the first Toshiba Sattelites :P | 05:17 |
| * KotCzarny had atari 800xl | 05:17 | |
| * timelyx had a tosh s pro 440cdt | 05:17 | |
| KotCzarny | loading programs was 600baud afair | 05:17 |
| timelyx | my first computer was an Atari 400 | 05:18 |
| timelyx | :) | 05:18 |
| Navi | unixSnob_dialup, hitting the open button on an MP3 works for me | 05:18 |
| Navi | passes it off to media player and buffers | 05:18 |
| KotCzarny | atari 400 was basically 800 with less ram :) | 05:18 |
| KotCzarny | afair | 05:18 |
| timelyx | and fewer games | 05:18 |
| unixSnob_dialup | Navi: yeah, same here.. it works as long as the browser does not have to download the file | 05:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:18 |
| timelyx | 3 to be exact | 05:18 |
| timelyx | but who's counting? | 05:18 |
| unixSnob_dialup | Navi: as soon as the browser does any kind of handling for files in the cloud, it loses it | 05:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | I had an IBM PC from 1981 in 1990. | 05:19 |
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| Navi | 'o' | 05:20 |
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| unixSnob_dialup | i've seen the same effect on other linux apps.. where the app dumps a file in a temp space, forks the handler, and then in a separate thread bails cleanly, taking the file with it, before the forked app has a chance to access it. | 05:23 |
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| NeoStrider | hey folks | 05:30 |
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| timelyx | unixSnob_dialup: please don't conflate the browser w/ unix apps | 05:32 |
| timelyx | the problems we have w/ talking to the media player are fairly different | 05:32 |
| timelyx | it's more like the tower of babble problem | 05:33 |
| timelyx | 2 people 4 incompatible languages | 05:33 |
| timelyx | and you'd be surprised it ever works | 05:33 |
| rm_you | http://incredimazing.com/page/Bruteforce_Cat | 05:33 |
| timelyx | heh | 05:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, that was my cat earlier today! :P | 05:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid hildon-desktop crashes. | 05:35 |
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| robink | timelyx: Which package do I look at at http://mxr.maemo.org/os2008? | 05:36 |
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| robink | I have the DN hack installed | 05:36 |
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| timelyx | robink: either browse or find | 05:39 |
| timelyx | or search | 05:39 |
| timelyx | depends on if you know enough to do something | 05:39 |
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| timelyx | searching for 'user' might be a bad idea :) | 05:39 |
| robink | timelyx: I don't know what I'm looking for as I have absolutely no clue which package includes the majority of the Maemo-specific init system. | 05:39 |
| * timelyx nods | 05:40 | |
| robink | I'm guessing the 'user' login is UID based | 05:40 |
| robink | so if I just change user's name to robink I should be OK | 05:40 |
| robink | I stupidly changed both name and UID last time | 05:40 |
| timelyx | heh | 05:40 |
| * timelyx tries a search for "user" filter "29999" | 05:41 | |
| timelyx | http://mxr.maemo.org/os2008/find?string=/etc/ is actually interesting | 05:43 |
| timelyx | http://mxr.maemo.org/os2008/find?string=init.d | 05:44 |
| timelyx | http://mxr.maemo.org/os2008/source/maemo-launcher-0.26/debian/init.d | 05:45 |
| * timelyx frowns, interesting but not helpful | 05:45 | |
| timelyx | actually | 05:45 |
| timelyx | you'll want to keep that script in mind | 05:45 |
| timelyx | bad things will *clearly* happen if you change your username and homedir and don't fix it | 05:46 |
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| timelyx | that script suggests searching for 'chuid' | 05:46 |
| timelyx | so, that's what i'm doing now :) | 05:46 |
| * timelyx wonders if chuid is something specific to launcher :( | 05:47 | |
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| timelyx | well, interesting but unhelpful :( | 05:48 |
| timelyx | well... maybe... | 05:50 |
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| robink | What's the best PIM application for Maemo? | 06:07 |
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| robink | What boot option can you pass the N810 bootloader to bring up services but not try to log user in? | 06:21 |
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| KotCzarny | disable watchdog | 06:22 |
| robink | KotCzarny: Thanks | 06:22 |
| robink | It still reboots | 06:23 |
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| KotCzarny | there kinds of watchdog | 06:23 |
| robink | ? | 06:23 |
| KotCzarny | three kinds | 06:23 |
| robink | Oh | 06:23 |
| rm_you | timelyx: feel like helping me figure out what kind of menu container to use for my applet? :P | 06:24 |
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| robink | I give up, I'm leaving the username as user | 06:28 |
| robink | I'm not going to brick my N810 again | 06:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:28 |
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| timelyx | at this time of day? | 06:32 |
| timelyx | i'd be interested in hunting for a battery for my remote it seems to need a special aaa | 06:32 |
| * timelyx is fairly annoyed that AAA isn't a standard battery | 06:32 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Isn't it? | 06:33 |
| timelyx | it seems not | 06:33 |
| timelyx | http://www.perverts.nl/files/Things%20you%20learn%20from%20movies.txt | 06:43 |
| GAN800 | shouldn't snav scroll on shortpress when there are no links on an html page? | 06:48 |
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| timelyx | my current impression is that SNAV is finally EOL | 06:52 |
| timelyx | so i've stopped caring :) | 06:52 |
| GAN800 | woo | 06:52 |
| timelyx | but no, SNAV has an amazingly complicated (and utterly useless and yet oh-so-incomplete) specification | 06:52 |
| GAN800 | I guess I should say, it'd be nice if a shortpress scrolled on an html page with no links. | 06:53 |
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| * timelyx still doesn't care, but yes, that's the more proper wording | 06:54 | |
| timelyx | although better would be "could x be improved to do y? i think that'd be better" | 06:54 |
| GAN800 | Nah, 'Do eht or im buying an I-phone' :P | 06:55 |
| timelyx | iphones don't have snav :) | 06:55 |
| GAN800 | They have kinetic scrolling. ;) | 06:56 |
| KotCzarny | we have too | 06:56 |
| timelyx | how many mobile browsers from 2012 do you think will lack that? | 06:56 |
| timelyx | (or whatever replaces kinetic..) | 06:56 |
| * GAN800 tried to post to itT on an iPhone a few weeks ago and almost killed himself. | 06:57 | |
| timelyx | heh | 06:57 |
| timelyx | i'd just kill myself for trying to go near itt :) | 06:57 |
| GAN800 | I don't get the fetish over mobile Safari. It's really not that great. | 06:58 |
| timelyx | it might be better than Safari 1.x | 06:58 |
| timelyx | which is what i have here... | 06:58 |
| GAN800 | OmniWeb just updated to be inline with 3.1.1. I'm happy. | 06:59 |
| timelyx | great, yet another browser i can't run | 06:59 |
| GAN800 | Upgrade already | 07:00 |
| * rm_you still can't believe someone actually uses a broswer that costs money | 07:00 | |
| rm_you | *browser | 07:00 |
| timelyx | GAN800: i'm waiting for someone to buy 10.5 for me | 07:00 |
| GAN800 | Funny coming from an Opera whore. :P | 07:00 |
| GAN800 | timelyx, you want somebody to start a collection? :P | 07:01 |
| timelyx | probably a good idea ;) | 07:01 |
| rm_you | Opera doesn't cost money :P | 07:01 |
| timelyx | rm_you: tell that to any phone manu | 07:01 |
| * timelyx has no idea how much nokia paid opera, but it certainly wasn't free | 07:01 | |
| rm_you | timelyx: I would pitch in for your browser if you ... help me out a bit :P | 07:02 |
| timelyx | tuesday. tomorrow's a holiday | 07:02 |
| rm_you | there's a few... "things" i need to know... | 07:02 |
| rm_you | lol, k | 07:02 |
| rm_you | how many hours ago did you get off work? | 07:02 |
| rm_you | or | 07:02 |
| timelyx | it's a religious holiday, i'd have to take it off no matter what | 07:03 |
| rm_you | if you had worked today, how long ago would you have gone home | 07:03 |
| rm_you | trying to decide when I can talk to you during the day :P | 07:03 |
| timelyx | actually, maybe i should go in to work today | 07:03 |
| rm_you | without having to deal with timezones | 07:03 |
| timelyx | oh, i'm random | 07:03 |
| rm_you | fine, what times do you work and what timezone is that | 07:03 |
| timelyx | tuesday i'll probably be unavail from +30 from now until +2 from now | 07:04 |
| timelyx | hrm, no, not tues | 07:04 |
| timelyx | on a normal monday (tomorrow excluded) | 07:04 |
| timelyx | tuesday, i might be awake at this time, and i might be online | 07:04 |
| timelyx | i should be at work w/in +5 from 'now' on a normal day :) (noon) | 07:05 |
| rm_you | k | 07:05 |
| rm_you | thats.... 2am here | 07:05 |
| timelyx | normally i'm at work from 9am until i leave (which can be midnight) | 07:05 |
| * GAN800 wishes Quim would respond to my rant on the ui spec bug. | 07:07 | |
| rm_you | GAN800: link? | 07:08 |
| rm_you | timelyx: ever get on IRC from work? | 07:08 |
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| timelyx | rm_you: oh, um.. "rarely" | 07:09 |
| GAN800 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3161 | 07:09 |
| timelyx | you can find me on moznet from work... but i don't have a useful irc gateway to hear | 07:09 |
| rm_you | timelyx: can you be online... tuesday? | 07:09 |
| rm_you | :P | 07:10 |
| timelyx | err here | 07:10 |
| rm_you | moznet? | 07:10 |
| timelyx | irc.mozilla.org | 07:10 |
| timelyx | just ask someone how to find me, they'll help | 07:10 |
| rm_you | what channel do you hang out in there | 07:11 |
| timelyx | most of them... just ask someone for me :) | 07:11 |
| rm_you | lol | 07:11 |
| rm_you | tell me ONE | 07:11 |
| rm_you | so i can join it :P | 07:11 |
| timelyx | #foxymonkies | 07:12 |
| timelyx | you could have done /msg ... ;-b | 07:12 |
| rm_you | i suppose | 07:13 |
| rm_you | ok, I'll bug you at work Tuesday :) | 07:13 |
| GAN800 | You get this working and it will be EPIC. . . . :P | 07:15 |
| timelyx | GAN800: ui spec publication? | 07:15 |
| timelyx | the browser spec weighed in at 300 pages | 07:15 |
| timelyx | which is too much for the mobile devices i have | 07:15 |
| timelyx | <crash> | 07:15 |
| GAN800 | Nah, adv-backlight uses the right container. | 07:15 |
| rm_you | lol | 07:15 |
| rm_you | it would be AMAZING | 07:15 |
| timelyx | i need to get a requirement penned "specs must be loadable in the device's web browser" | 07:16 |
| rm_you | timelyx: you scratch my back, I scratch yours, eh? | 07:16 |
| timelyx | i'll buy someone dinner if they get that enforced :) | 07:16 |
| * timelyx chuckles | 07:16 | |
| timelyx | the 2006 pdf viewer was great... | 07:16 |
| timelyx | it wouldn't load images for something like that :) | 07:17 |
| * rm_you gets ready to send timelyx a *case* of his favorite beer | 07:17 | |
| * timelyx doesn't drink :/ | 07:17 | |
| * timelyx goes back to singing | 07:17 | |
| rm_you | Then someone at your place will be very happy? :P | 07:17 |
| timelyx | 99 bugs on the wall, 99 bugs... take one down, smash it around... | 07:17 |
| timelyx | 98 bugs on the wall | 07:18 |
| GAN800 | regression! | 07:18 |
| * timelyx skips ahead to 34 crash bugs on the wall | 07:18 | |
| timelyx | 33 crashing bugs on the wall, take one down, swat it around .... | 07:19 |
| timelyx | not quite as much fun as beer, i'll give you, but it's what's for breakfast | 07:19 |
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| rm_you | hrm | 07:37 |
| rm_you | warning: implicit declaration of function `pthread_mutex_timedlock_np' | 07:37 |
| rm_you | that means that whatever #include was supposed to bring in that function.... didn't. right? | 07:37 |
| rm_you | so when I actually try to run it, it will break? | 07:37 |
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| GAN800 | Then the ninjas will come to get you. | 07:39 |
| timelyx | mostly it means that if there's any evil macro magic involved | 07:40 |
| rm_you | i don't use ANY macros, to my knowledge | 07:41 |
| timelyx | or if the arguments you use don't match the kinds needed by the impl | 07:41 |
| timelyx | then bad things will happen | 07:41 |
| timelyx | should... but the header might say | 07:41 |
| timelyx | #define pthread_mutex_timedlock_np(x) gotcha("pthread_mutex_timedlock_np ",x) | 07:41 |
| timelyx | s/should/sure/ | 07:42 |
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| * rm_you is annoyed | 07:46 | |
| rm_you | wow, zero google results for my error | 07:46 |
| timelyx | rm_you: mxr will tell you who defines it if you want to pick a #include :) | 07:46 |
| rm_you | err, warning | 07:46 |
| rm_you | pthread.h is supposed to | 07:46 |
| rm_you | it's part of POSIX Threads, not maemo | 07:47 |
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| timelyx | #define _MULTI_THREADED | 07:50 |
| timelyx | did you include that? :) | 07:50 |
| rm_you | >_> | 07:50 |
| timelyx | (from an ibm example) | 07:50 |
| rm_you | yeah, i read that | 07:50 |
| rm_you | doesnt help | 07:51 |
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| timelyx | http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/iseries/v5r4/topic/apis/concept1.htm | 07:52 |
| * timelyx looks for an mxr which actually has pthread | 07:52 | |
| timelyx | i think swift does | 07:52 |
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| timelyx | but i don't want to go to work | 07:52 |
| rm_you | lol | 07:53 |
| timelyx | my guess is that it wasn't implemented in the release we used | 07:54 |
| rm_you | this is in scratchbox's pthread.h: | 07:55 |
| rm_you | extern int pthread_mutex_timedlock (pthread_mutex_t *__restrict __mutex, | 07:55 |
| rm_you | __const struct timespec *__restrict | 07:55 |
| rm_you | __abstime) __THROW __nonnull ((1, 2)); | 07:55 |
| rm_you | that looks right | 07:55 |
| timelyx | but you said _np | 07:56 |
| rm_you | oh | 07:56 |
| rm_you | right | 07:56 |
| rm_you | hrm | 07:56 |
| rm_you | :q | 07:56 |
| rm_you | DAMNIT | 07:56 |
| rm_you | irc is not vim | 07:56 |
| timelyx | believe me, you wouldn't be happy if it were | 07:56 |
| rm_you | eh | 07:56 |
| timelyx | i have enough problems when my irc client responds to cmd-w | 07:56 |
| timelyx | and closes the window i'm using | 07:57 |
| timelyx | even though it was supposed to be sent to my web browser | 07:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | I hate that | 07:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Happens all the damn time | 07:57 |
| rm_you | AH | 07:57 |
| rm_you | #ifdef __USE_XOPEN2K | 07:57 |
| rm_you | what is that? | 07:57 |
| rm_you | I suppose I could define it and pray, but.... | 07:58 |
| timelyx | presumably the xopen 2000 standard :) | 07:58 |
| timelyx | you can try #define'ing before #including | 07:58 |
| rm_you | yeah | 07:58 |
| rm_you | works | 07:58 |
| rm_you | hrm | 07:58 |
| rm_you | but CAN i define that? do we support whatever that is? | 07:58 |
| rm_you | or am I just lying to it | 07:59 |
| timelyx | you can | 08:02 |
| timelyx | the reason for those things | 08:03 |
| rm_you | wow whatever i did OWNED my tablet | 08:03 |
| rm_you | lol | 08:03 |
| timelyx | is that they change how compiled program work | 08:03 |
| timelyx | and so programs have to pick how they want the world to behave | 08:03 |
| timelyx | um, you did leave a root ssh session avail to whack bad things | 08:03 |
| rm_you | it went insane and set my brightness to zero | 08:03 |
| rm_you | lol | 08:03 |
| rm_you | and made weird noises | 08:04 |
| rm_you | but yeah i set it back manually via ssh | 08:04 |
| rm_you | err | 08:04 |
| rm_you | went insane, beeped a lot, crashed my UI, set the brightness to zero, made some weird noises, and then became silent. | 08:04 |
| rm_you | but yeah, i fixed it :) | 08:05 |
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| rm_you | this crash on volume change on first applet load is ANNOYING for debugging | 08:33 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: WOW | 08:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 08:35 |
| rm_you | so I just realized... the reason I didnt have beep on volume change yet was because it would beep like 4 times every change | 08:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I want to beat hildon-desktop with as tick. | 08:35 |
| rm_you | well | 08:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/tick/stick/ | 08:35 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: I want to beat hildon-desktop with as stick. | 08:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | But a giant tick might work, too. | 08:35 |
| rm_you | I finally got it working with only one beep every second or so possible | 08:35 |
| rm_you | and went to compare how well mine worked to the original nokia applet... | 08:35 |
| rm_you | THEY JUST LET IT BEEP A WHOLE BUNCH LIKE I REFUSED TO ALLOW >_< | 08:36 |
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| rm_you | so basically it was "up to Nokia applet quality" at the beginning... | 08:36 |
| rm_you | but anyway, it works nicely now | 08:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 08:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | gj | 08:36 |
| rm_you | int time_since_beep = (current_time.tv_sec - last_beep.tv_sec) * 1000000 + (current_time.tv_usec - last_beep.tv_usec); | 08:36 |
| rm_you | someone verify that my math/logic is right there? | 08:36 |
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| timelyx | is int safe? are you sure you don't mean /some complicated kind of long/ :) | 08:38 |
| rm_you | i think so | 08:40 |
| rm_you | erm | 08:41 |
| rm_you | it works... | 08:41 |
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| rm_you | dunno what will happen if it has been like... months since they changed the volume | 08:41 |
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| rm_you | worst possible outcome is that the int wraps, right? | 08:41 |
| rm_you | i can make it a long | 08:42 |
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| oilinki | mourning | 08:45 |
| timelyx | rm_you: well... some crts are anal about inputs | 08:45 |
| timelyx | and will fatal_fatal_abort() if you violate them | 08:45 |
| timelyx | there was one which would abort if you asked it about the timestamp of a file created before 1980 or something | 08:45 |
| timelyx | very nice of it.. | 08:46 |
| rm_you | prolly before 1969 :P | 08:48 |
| timelyx | crt wasn't unix, so probably 80 | 08:48 |
| timelyx | i can't remember the timestamp, but iirc it was 1600 or 1700 :) | 08:48 |
| timelyx | so it's not like it mattered much :) | 08:49 |
| rm_you | lol | 08:49 |
| timelyx | 23 bugs on the wall... 23 bugs.. | 08:50 |
| timelyx | a commenter to a crash bug... | 08:50 |
| timelyx | i have the same bug, when i open x, it hangs | 08:50 |
| * timelyx shakes head | 08:50 | |
| Navi | take one down and pass it around | 08:51 |
| * GeneralAntilles segfaults. | 08:51 | |
| Navi | Woot! | 08:51 |
| timelyx | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=421929 | 08:52 |
| * timelyx waits for Navi to hang and say "i have the same bug" :) | 08:52 | |
| Navi | Hmm | 08:52 |
| Navi | The page has to load first | 08:53 |
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| timelyx | oh, the bug doesn't explain how to hang | 08:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 08:53 |
| timelyx | it's talking about a crash... some commenter somewhere said that.. | 08:53 |
| Navi | Well | 08:54 |
| Navi | there's steps to reduce | 08:54 |
| Navi | bleh | 08:54 |
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| Navi | reproduce | 08:54 |
| timelyx | true, it could be worse... | 08:55 |
| timelyx | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159930#c37 <- worse | 08:55 |
| timelyx | actually, not worse | 08:55 |
| Navi | Woo, mozilla bugzilla fun | 08:55 |
| * timelyx grabs for the next bug | 08:55 | |
| GAN800 | So many bugs | 08:56 |
| timelyx | 20 bugs on the wall | 08:56 |
| Navi | That first bug is luls | 08:56 |
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| Navi | That second bug is even more luls | 08:58 |
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| * timelyx fixes a bug and returns to reading bugs | 09:02 | |
| timelyx | most of our bugs these days are integration | 09:03 |
| * Navi doesn't like integration | 09:03 | |
| timelyx | Xservers, Plugins, Messengers | 09:03 |
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| timelyx | Xserver crashes. result: dozens of users filing bugs against a browser complaining their xserver crashed | 09:04 |
| timelyx | us: um, X crashed, it gave you a stack, why exactly are you complaining to us? | 09:04 |
| Navi | timelyx, because you're you! | 09:04 |
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| Navi | Even better are upstream bugs on a distribution's bug tracker | 09:05 |
| timelyx | oh don't get me started | 09:05 |
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| timelyx | sadly, there are two flavors of those: | 09:05 |
| timelyx | a. user complains to us that xxx-product (where xxx is a vendor who has heavily hacked product) misbehaves | 09:06 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: new beta | 09:06 |
| rm_you | same link | 09:06 |
| rm_you | includes volume beep and adjustable hardware key levels | 09:06 |
| timelyx | b. user neglects to mention the xxx part and complains about a behavior we don't implement | 09:06 |
| timelyx | c. some real bug in our product is reported downstream and "fixed" there, w/o them ever telling us about it | 09:07 |
| rm_you | did the checkin, and now I have to go take a shower and leave :P | 09:07 |
| rm_you | and pack up my machine >_< | 09:07 |
| rm_you | GAN800: wake up :P beta time | 09:07 |
| Navi | I like Slackware. Stuff's pretty vanilla | 09:07 |
| * GeneralAntilles tries to remember the link. | 09:07 | |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't have it logged. | 09:07 | |
| rm_you | *sigh* | 09:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2368 <- favorite summary ever. :P | 09:08 |
| rm_you | http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight.so | 09:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks! ;) | 09:08 |
| Navi | I would like to say the same about ArchLinux, but more recently, there's been gross patches | 09:08 |
| qwerty12 | rm_you, is that a newer library than the release y/day? | 09:08 |
| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: heh | 09:09 |
| rm_you | yes | 09:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I loled the first time I saw that one, and still do whenever I run into it trolling through bugzilla. | 09:09 |
| qwerty12 | thx | 09:09 |
| timelyx | heh | 09:09 |
| Navi | I love trolls | 09:09 |
| timelyx | yeah, my bugs can be fun | 09:09 |
| timelyx | have you found the pizza bug? | 09:09 |
| timelyx | it's in bmo (moz not mae) | 09:10 |
| rm_you | still haven't fixed the crash on first volume change tho... | 09:10 |
| rm_you | i REALLY need to fix that | 09:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, rarely ever touch bmo | 09:10 |
| rm_you | it puts off new users :/ | 09:10 |
| rm_you | something must be un-initialized... | 09:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | You want me to upgrade the task priority to encourage you? :D | 09:10 |
| rm_you | >_> | 09:10 |
| rm_you | lol | 09:10 |
| rm_you | yes :P | 09:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Does it go to 6? | 09:10 |
| timelyx | http://maemo.org/profile/list?org_openpsa_qbpager_net_nehmer_account_list_page=1 | 09:10 |
| rm_you | anyways, test that out, tell me what you think, i'm gonna go take a shower | 09:10 |
| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: i'm confused, the bug doesn't look fixed | 09:11 |
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| timelyx | i guess i get to wait for a sync | 09:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fixed but not closed. | 09:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/Fixed/Resolved/ | 09:11 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Resolved but not closed. | 09:11 |
| timelyx | fixed but not verifiable | 09:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | That karma ranking is gonna get messed up whenever they integrate itT Thanks. | 09:12 |
| Navi | yay | 09:12 |
| timelyx | we're integrating itt? | 09:12 |
| Navi | karma system | 09:12 |
| Navi | I want a huge negative number | 09:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Quim responded positively to the enhancement request. | 09:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Reggie set up an xml dump. | 09:12 |
| timelyx | well, i'm not on page 6 anymore... so i changed the url to 1 | 09:13 |
| timelyx | if i drop a bit, i can just file more bugs :) | 09:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2303 | 09:13 |
| RST38h | yawn | 09:13 |
| rm_you | heh | 09:13 |
| timelyx | exactly | 09:13 |
| Navi | RST38h, yawn indeed | 09:13 |
| rm_you | i have like 90 thanks on ITT just from the one thread :P | 09:13 |
| RST38h | how are things? are we making good progress toward total annihilation? | 09:13 |
| Navi | RST38h, any headway on the sound stutter in the NES emu? | 09:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, you see, now, why I had you post instead of me. :P | 09:14 |
| RST38h | rm_you: it all depends on how Quim weights them | 09:14 |
| rm_you | anyways, brb shower, GeneralAntilles: TEST :P | 09:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Am! | 09:14 |
| rm_you | I don't even care tho :P | 09:14 |
| rm_you | about karma or whatever | 09:14 |
| rm_you | not sure why it matters :P | 09:14 |
| RST38h | Navi: Does not appear to stutter for me any more | 09:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | People catching up encourages me to spam help and increase my lead some more. ;) | 09:14 |
| Navi | Sweet. | 09:14 |
| RST38h | [in the latest release that is] | 09:14 |
| rm_you | anyways, brb shower, GeneralAntilles: TEST :P | 09:15 |
| timelyx | rm_you: it matters because i can't verify my bug otherwise | 09:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Am! | 09:15 |
| Navi | Oh | 09:15 |
| Navi | RST38h, I still get it | 09:15 |
| rm_you | :P | 09:15 |
| Navi | I big positive number saddens me | 09:15 |
| RST38h | Navi: it may be skipping a buffer every now and then | 09:15 |
| Navi | I want a big negative number | 09:15 |
| Navi | It's GA's fault for half my thanks | 09:15 |
| RST38h | due to something else eating into your cpu | 09:16 |
| Navi | RST38h, I don't have anything running at all | 09:16 |
| timelyx | oh right | 09:16 |
| timelyx | speaking of great integration bugs | 09:16 |
| Navi | I turned off all my applets, no statusbar crap | 09:16 |
| timelyx | check out https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=437741 | 09:16 |
| Navi | killed any unneeded processes | 09:16 |
| Navi | timelyx, funny | 09:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 09:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, seems fine, but I have more Prefs dialog complaints. :P | 09:17 |
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| timelyx | sadly, there are also printer bugs like that | 09:17 |
| timelyx | "my postscript printer went crazy because of your input, so i had to shoot it" | 09:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Zombie printer? | 09:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shit, that sounds bad. | 09:18 |
| timelyx | there's also the ubuntu bug... | 09:19 |
| timelyx | i can't report crashes... your crash reporter uses system's libcurl because everyone says distros are best able to distribute working software | 09:19 |
| qwerty12 | Finding Printers with Google | 09:19 |
| qwerty12 | Sometimes for convenience admins will put links to there printers' web interfaces on an Intranet site so they can easily admin them or pull off stored documents. Well, sometimes an Intranet is not really just an Intranet but accessible via the Internet. Google is a great way to find these printers. Here are a few search strings that may be of interest: | 09:19 |
| qwerty12 | Ricoh Savins (Since these printer frequently store documents where to can be downloaded this can be a real killer for security) | 09:19 |
| qwerty12 | intitle:"web image monitor" | 09:19 |
| qwerty12 | "/web/user/en/websys/webArch/mainFrame.cgi" | 09:19 |
| qwerty12 | inurl:"/en/sts_index.cgi" | 09:19 |
| timelyx | us: can curl visit https://anything/ ? | 09:19 |
| qwerty12 | HP Jetdirects (Varies greatly from model to model) | 09:19 |
| timelyx | them: nope | 09:19 |
| qwerty12 | inurl:hp/device/this.LCDispatcher | 09:19 |
| qwerty12 | CUPS Connected Printers | 09:19 |
| timelyx | us: oh, how nice | 09:19 |
| qwerty12 | inurl:":631/printers" -php -demo | 09:19 |
| qwerty12 | Try combining the above with the Google "site:" parameter to restrict the search to just certain organizations. " - You can make someone's printer crazy.. | 09:20 |
| Navi | qwerty12, Jesus, paste spam. | 09:20 |
| qwerty12 | Oh shit, sorry. | 09:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | What an ass. | 09:20 |
| qwerty12 | I know >.> | 09:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | If I were an op I would ban you. :P | 09:20 |
| Navi | I would ban GeneralAntilles if I were an op | 09:20 |
| qwerty12 | But you are not so I take pleasure in the fact that *you* can't touch this :p | 09:20 |
| RST38h | Navi: weird...n810? top frequency? | 09:20 |
| Navi | RST38h, N800 | 09:21 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Print alien messages on it! | 09:21 |
| RST38h | Navi: OS2008? | 09:21 |
| Navi | RST38h, yes | 09:21 |
| RST38h | hm | 09:21 |
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| gfcs | where are channel the esbox ??? | 09:22 |
| Navi | gfcs, what? | 09:22 |
| qwerty12 | Where is the esbox channel? | 09:22 |
| qwerty12 | (literal translation :/) | 09:23 |
| Navi | Again, what? | 09:23 |
| gfcs | There is a channel esbox | 09:23 |
| qwerty12 | Navi, No ideaz | 09:23 |
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| Navi | gfcs, no | 09:24 |
| qwerty12 | gfcs, 1 min search, I go here: http://esbox.garage.maemo.org/, click contributing and guess what I see? | 09:24 |
| Navi | Not for esbox specifically | 09:24 |
| qwerty12 | * Realtime Chat (IRC) | 09:24 |
| qwerty12 | * Server: irc.freenode.org | 09:24 |
| qwerty12 | * Channel: #esbox | 09:24 |
| Navi | qwerty12, you realize the channel is unregged and empty, right? | 09:24 |
| qwerty12 | Really? | 09:24 |
| qwerty12 | I've never been | 09:25 |
| Navi | Yes. | 09:25 |
| Navi | This place is as good a place as any other to ask | 09:25 |
| Navi | if you have a question | 09:25 |
| qwerty12 | Or if #canola is as dead as it is, maybe there, INdT guys are there. | 09:25 |
| Navi | The INdT are at home sleeping at this time :P | 09:26 |
| Navi | They get on during working hours, only once in a while in their free time | 09:26 |
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| * timelyx tries to figure out http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19855 | 09:27 | |
| * timelyx gives up | 09:28 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 09:28 |
| timelyx | anyone here speak ITT? | 09:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | How did you get there? | 09:28 |
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| Navi | timelyx, what do you mean? | 09:28 |
| Navi | oh | 09:28 |
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| timelyx | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1889 | 09:29 |
| Navi | I speak itT, but apparently I'm a troll that likes to "snipe" posts | 09:29 |
| timelyx | fwiw, iirc a birdie may have told me this is fixed in diablo | 09:29 |
| eero | Does anyone has any ideas how to detect if (python) softaware is run on maemo | 09:29 |
| RST38h | evill trolls | 09:29 |
| RST38h | all of you! | 09:29 |
| qwerty12 | timelyx, you are pretty fast. I only bumped up that bug 15 mins ago :p | 09:29 |
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| timelyx | qwerty12: gmail makes reading stuff easy | 09:30 |
| qwerty12 | I'm missing my Gmail manager firefox extension :(. Gonna "force" install that one again. Stupid Ubuntu and their firefox 3 :( | 09:30 |
| Navi | timeless is a hard worker | 09:30 |
| Navi | woo for timeless \o/ | 09:31 |
| * timelyx ponders | 09:31 | |
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| Navi | qwerty12, nothing stops you from installing FF2 | 09:31 |
| timelyx | i can hack: bzr, hg, svn, or cvs | 09:31 |
| qwerty12 | Navi, Don't really want mess anything up :/ | 09:31 |
| Navi | bzr, haven't seen that one in a while | 09:31 |
| timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/bzr/source/README | 09:32 |
| timelyx | the reason to hack it is for http://mxr-test.landfill.bugzilla.org/bugzilla-bzr/source/ | 09:32 |
| timelyx | we have some bugzilla downstreams using bzr | 09:32 |
| timelyx | so being able to offer history links is a good thing | 09:33 |
| timelyx | atm, i think i'll look into cvs instead | 09:33 |
| Navi | cvs is pretty easy | 09:33 |
| Navi | but outdated | 09:33 |
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| * timelyx nods | 09:37 | |
| timelyx | ok, cvs done | 09:40 |
| * timelyx goes back to one of the others | 09:40 | |
| timelyx | qwerty12: i still don't understand the itt thing | 09:42 |
| timelyx | am i missing the fact that it's dozens of pages long | 09:42 |
| qwerty12 | timelyx, give me a sec | 09:43 |
| RST38h | All right, let me take a vote: | 09:43 |
| RST38h | What package would you rather see updated: VGBA or Speccy? | 09:43 |
| qwerty12 | VGBA easily :) | 09:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 09:43 |
| patoh | Visual Game Boy Advance? | 09:44 |
| RST38h | a'ok | 09:44 |
| qwerty12 | timelyx, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=181073&postcount=22 - There is a deb in that post. Installing it makes flash compatible with the camera. | 09:44 |
| timelyx | qwerty12: ok... much better link | 09:45 |
| timelyx | does it actually rewrite the flash player so or is it just other stuff? | 09:45 |
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| timelyx | http://www.cbc.ca/cp/Oddities/080607/K060702AU.html ... | 09:46 |
| qwerty12 | It patches the flashplayer plugin to look for a different video device and the flashcam daemon "wraps" the v4l2 camera device into a v4l1 for flash. | 09:47 |
| qwerty12 | In Hinduism, you are meant to have a room for your God(s), you put a statue and the holy book in there iirc. | 09:48 |
| timelyx | why did it need to change the device path? | 09:49 |
| timelyx | my understanding was that the current device didn't exist | 09:49 |
| qwerty12 | It looks for /dev/video usually but the flashcam daemon forwards the v4l2 camera into a v4l1 /dev/v4l1 device so which the flashplayer is patched to look there instead. | 09:50 |
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| timelyx | ok.. definitions "patches" to me means a binary hack or similar rewrite of an existing file | 09:52 |
| RST38h | it may well be a source code patch | 09:52 |
| timelyx | does it actually "patch" flash? or just change the /dev vfs? | 09:52 |
| timelyx | RST38h: fairly hard w/o the source :) | 09:52 |
| qwerty12 | Just changes the /dev/video string. Here's the line, wait a sec | 09:53 |
| qwerty12 | sed -i -e "s/\/dev\/video/\/dev\/v4lv1/g" /usr/lib/browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so | 09:53 |
| qwerty12 | That way, you don't need to use flashcam-wrapper. | 09:53 |
| timelyx | is it properly version pinned against the current flashplayer version? | 09:55 |
| qwerty12 | If you mean does it have a dependency set, then no. But it seems pretty generic to me. | 09:55 |
| timelyx | that's bad | 09:56 |
| timelyx | for one, there will be a new version which will work correctly | 09:56 |
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| qwerty12 | Ooh, nice | 09:56 |
| timelyx | for another, the string could appear in random instances where it shouldn't be changed | 09:56 |
| timelyx | qwerty12: no guarantees as to when | 09:56 |
| timelyx | although i'm fairly certain diablo :) | 09:57 |
| * qwerty12 waits for the SSU :) | 09:57 | |
| qwerty12 | Seeing as you are here, know if nokia plan on updating the bluez? | 09:57 |
| timelyx | iirc we employ one of those devs | 09:59 |
| timelyx | my guess would be fremantle or whatever was after diablo | 09:59 |
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| * qwerty12 gets round to compiling the latest mplayer rc2 svn. I don't know why ssvb won't switch. wmv & flv are a lot better in rc2 :( | 10:02 | |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: wha? | 10:02 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: WHAT CHANGES?!!??!! | 10:02 |
| * rm_you turns into Hulk | 10:02 | |
| qwerty12 | AHH!!!!!!!!!!! | 10:02 |
| Navi | Hah | 10:02 |
| * GeneralAntilles throws cold water on the big green dude. | 10:02 | |
| rm_you | Not that I'm discouraging your input :P | 10:02 |
| Navi | rm_you is a part-time nerd with an anger management problem | 10:02 |
| qwerty12 | Heh | 10:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, labels need to be right-aligned and setting fields need to be left-aligned | 10:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | See the other prefs dialogs for examples. | 10:03 |
| rm_you | <_< | 10:03 |
| rm_you | wheee | 10:03 |
| rm_you | I crashed firefox... | 10:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hardware brightness +/- sounds stupid | 10:03 |
| rm_you | with File -> Exit | 10:03 |
| qwerty12 | Firefox 3? | 10:03 |
| rm_you | 2 | 10:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Try "Hardware brightness interval" | 10:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or something | 10:04 |
| rm_you | k | 10:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe "Hardware key brightness interval | 10:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | " | 10:04 |
| rm_you | I had four firefox windows open, each with ~ 40 tabs | 10:04 |
| Navi | Ew | 10:04 |
| qwerty12 | eek | 10:04 |
| rm_you | apparently the session saver has issues with that | 10:04 |
| Navi | :P | 10:04 |
| rm_you | ah well | 10:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then I would linebreak the zero backlight line at the ( | 10:04 |
| * timelyx shrugs | 10:04 | |
| rm_you | time to close opera too | 10:04 |
| timelyx | i know people w/ hundreds of tabs | 10:04 |
| Navi | >_> | 10:04 |
| timelyx | who use session saver | 10:04 |
| timelyx | but they're all craz | 10:04 |
| Navi | too many tabs | 10:04 |
| rm_you | I also run opera, which has only two windows with ~20 tabs each | 10:05 |
| Navi | having that many tabs is just ridiculous | 10:05 |
| rm_you | I figure splitting up the tabs between browsers would help | 10:05 |
| rm_you | but apparently not much | 10:05 |
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| rm_you | wow i hardcore need to free up space and defragment | 10:06 |
| rm_you | <_< | 10:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, and add a setting for the volume beep. | 10:06 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: yes. | 10:06 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: add a TODO for that | 10:06 |
| rm_you | i gotta shut down this compy and mode it | 10:06 |
| rm_you | s/mode/move/ | 10:06 |
| infobot | rm_you meant: i gotta shut down this compy and move it | 10:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Whore | 10:06 |
| rm_you | one TODO for all of those prefs changes will work | 10:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK | 10:07 |
| rm_you | bbl | 10:08 |
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| qwerty12 | Hmm, anyone want some Libass? | 10:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, no ass for me, thanks! | 10:09 |
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| RST38h | VGBA 3.5.1 released. FEED! | 10:10 |
| qwerty12 | Just saw, thanks! | 10:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | nomnomnom | 10:11 |
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| Navi | RST38h, zomg | 10:11 |
| qwerty12 | Just out of question, what button is ALT on a N800? I guess I could xmodmap... | 10:11 |
| * qwerty12 can't wait to get some mplayer svn goodness. After 20 mins, mplayer starts sucking >.< | 10:13 | |
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| RST38h | qwerty: ALT can only be found on a bt keyboard | 10:19 |
| qwerty12 | :/ xmodmap it is. | 10:19 |
| RST38h | Why do you need ALT? | 10:20 |
| qwerty12 | "* Directional pad center now only works as START when SHIFT, CONTROL, ot ALT is pressed." - Can be useful for me sometimes, holding a button to use the dpad center. | 10:20 |
| RST38h | Ah that | 10:20 |
| RST38h | just touch the right-bottom screen corner | 10:21 |
| RST38h | it will work as start | 10:21 |
| * qwerty12 prefers buttons. Kinda of an irony as I bought N800 instead of 810 but ah well. | 10:21 | |
| RST38h | You only need to press START rarely | 10:21 |
| qwerty12 | True | 10:22 |
| RST38h | so touching a screen should not be much of a problem | 10:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, that guy is quite the developer. <_< | 10:24 |
| qwerty12 | Heh | 10:24 |
| qwerty12 | I know what you mean | 10:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | No! Bad "developer"! Pick another platform and keep your code the fuck away from my N800. | 10:25 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, is the maemo mplayer based on MPlayer-1.0rc1, MPlayer-1.0rc1try2 or MPlayer-1.0rc1try3? | 10:26 |
| RST38h | "Heat wave hits DC" | 10:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Screw DC | 10:28 |
| * RST38h looks at thermometer (+15oC) and chuckles. Let 'em boil ;) | 10:28 | |
| GeneralAntilles | The heat wave is here. | 10:28 |
| RST38h | Well you have got a permanent heat wave | 10:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah | 10:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, by some standards I guess | 10:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it gets cold enough for me in the winter. :P | 10:29 |
| Navi | It gets cold enough for me | 10:30 |
| Navi | but that's not the problem | 10:30 |
| * GeneralAntilles freezes and dies if it gets much bellow 5°C | 10:30 | |
| Navi | I just wish it'd STAY cold for more than two days | 10:30 |
| RST38h | 5oF or 5oC? | 10:30 |
| * qwerty12 is in London, UK. Heat wave? | 10:30 | |
| GeneralAntilles | That should've been a degree symbol. | 10:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the C was correct. | 10:31 |
| RST38h | 5oC is kinda warm | 10:31 |
| qwerty12 | 0.O | 10:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not for my blood. | 10:31 |
| KotCzarny | 5C is ok | 10:31 |
| KotCzarny | 35C isn't | 10:31 |
| * RST38h generally notices when it falls below -20oC. Until that it is nothing to worry about | 10:32 | |
| RST38h | 35oC sucks though | 10:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | 35°C I can handle. ;) | 10:32 |
| RST38h | Anything above +25oC sucks. | 10:33 |
| Navi | pfft | 10:33 |
| * KotCzarny nods | 10:33 | |
| Navi | 35C is nothing | 10:33 |
| RST38h | "Shuttered Embassies Spread Capital Angst" | 10:33 |
| KotCzarny | even 20C with humid is nasty | 10:33 |
| RST38h | 20oC is ok | 10:33 |
| RST38h | humid or not, it is ok | 10:34 |
| KotCzarny | not true. | 10:34 |
| RST38h | +5oC + humid is nasty | 10:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Florida winters are all humidity. | 10:34 |
| Navi | Dry winters here | 10:34 |
| Navi | woo \o/ | 10:34 |
| KotCzarny | but summer sucks in nyc | 10:35 |
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| Navi | Summers are all 45C and humid though :( | 10:35 |
| RST38h | Here, anything liquid but antifreeze is nicely refrigerated to solid state in winter | 10:35 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 10:36 |
| KotCzarny | sometimes it's so humid that iron objects rust on my desk | 10:36 |
| KotCzarny | in a day | 10:36 |
| RST38h | NYC? | 10:38 |
| * KotCzarny nods | 10:38 | |
| * timelyx sighs | 10:39 | |
| timelyx | for people looking for useless bugs to read | 10:39 |
| timelyx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/188540 | 10:39 |
| qwerty12 | Ooh, goody! Bugs to read! | 10:39 |
| timelyx | as a warning: they aren't worth reading | 10:39 |
| timelyx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnump3d/+bug/160381 | 10:40 |
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| qwerty12 | Aww, you brought my hopes up. Only to bring them down again :( | 10:40 |
| timelyx | they're funny! | 10:40 |
| patoh | timelyx: ubuntu users always file silly bugs :P | 10:41 |
| timelyx | data:text/html,<style>input{display: inline; border:20px solid red;}</style><input type="hidden"> | 10:43 |
| timelyx | an ubuntu user complains that there's a red box on that page ... | 10:43 |
| patoh | serious? | 10:44 |
| patoh | what did they want? | 10:44 |
| timelyx | quite | 10:44 |
| timelyx | " nothing " | 10:44 |
| patoh | sigh | 10:45 |
| timelyx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/224350 | 10:45 |
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| timelyx | in case you'd like to read it | 10:45 |
| patoh | will when I start X again ;P | 10:45 |
| timelyx | what happens in gecko is that <input type="hidden"> has a default style | 10:45 |
| timelyx | (display:none) | 10:45 |
| timelyx | but setting display:inline of course overrides that ... | 10:45 |
| patoh | idiots | 10:46 |
| timelyx | "ubuntu users" | 10:46 |
| Navi | "users" | 10:46 |
| timelyx | you say tomato, i say tomato | 10:46 |
| timelyx | Navi: i object! | 10:46 |
| Navi | Objection overruled | 10:47 |
| timelyx | someone who writes a web page is supposed to be considered a "web developer" | 10:47 |
| timelyx | as such, that someone is ineligible for "user" designation | 10:47 |
| X-Fade_ | timelyx: Can I ping you about https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1671 | 10:47 |
| X-Fade_ | Any idea if there was progress on that? | 10:47 |
| timelyx | X-Fade_: you don't like romaxa's greek? | 10:47 |
| timelyx | (it's actually russian, but..) | 10:47 |
| timelyx | pinging me here doesn't work well | 10:48 |
| timelyx | my mac doesn't know my password for the other bug tracker | 10:48 |
| X-Fade_ | No, but you can look at by 4821 maybe? Is that a mozilla bug or a is that NB4821 ? | 10:48 |
| timelyx | mozilla bugs are 6 digits long :) | 10:49 |
| X-Fade_ | ok ;) | 10:49 |
| timelyx | http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/search?string=nb&find=browser.*changelog&findi=&filter=4821&hitlimit=&tree=garage | 10:49 |
| timelyx | would be a reasonable way to hunt for it | 10:49 |
| timelyx | (course, that only works if i've updated the xref for that server, which i haven't recently) | 10:50 |
| X-Fade_ | And if mxr was added to the maemo.org domain ;) | 10:50 |
| timelyx | yeah well... i need to talk to someone about doing that | 10:51 |
| timelyx | the dns hack was just to enable seemless staging | 10:51 |
| timelyx | someone could fix the dns today and it'd just work | 10:52 |
| X-Fade_ | timelyx: Maybe you can discuss that with Marcell? | 10:52 |
| timelyx | i should | 10:53 |
| X-Fade_ | timelyx: If it works and is useful for the maemo community, I don't see any reasons why not. | 10:53 |
| timelyx | i should see if i have numbers for people using it | 10:53 |
| X-Fade_ | We can always do it the google way and announce it as beta ;) | 10:54 |
| Navi | hah | 10:54 |
| timelyx | heh | 10:54 |
| timelyx | http://www.snopes.com/military/lighthouse.asp is amusing | 10:56 |
| qwerty12 | "In 1995 an embarrassing conversation between a lighthouse and an aircraft carrier " - Ok. Where's the sex scandal? | 10:57 |
| timelyx | heh | 10:58 |
| timelyx | tailhook was on land, don't you know? | 10:59 |
| qwerty12 | heh | 10:59 |
| timelyx | http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/navy/tailhook/ | 10:59 |
| timelyx | for people who *don't* get the reference.. | 11:00 |
| timelyx | THIS SITE CONTAINS SEXUALLY EXPLICIT MATERIAL. PARENTAL DISCRETION ADVISED. | 11:00 |
| timelyx | wow | 11:00 |
| timelyx | that's not something i see @pbs.org very often ... | 11:00 |
| qwerty12 | Too late for me :p | 11:01 |
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| hrhr | hi, all....can I export minisd card in my n810 by usb? | 11:02 |
| hrhr | or only internal flsh? | 11:03 |
| hrhr | *flash | 11:03 |
| timelyx | both should be exported as long as they aren't in use | 11:03 |
| hrhr | really...thx...but 5 min ago no exported minisd I've seen | 11:05 |
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| timelyx | you can try closing all apps and unplugging+replugging the usb cable (be sure to use the host's safely remove feature...) | 11:09 |
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| hrhr | timelyx: do you know any app for reading .odt files? | 11:13 |
| hrhr | or .doc | 11:14 |
| hrhr | as I see abiword not functional? | 11:14 |
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| * qwerty12 has never seen my computer compile this fast before. I'm in awe, | 11:16 | |
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| timelyx | on the tablets? | 11:17 |
| timelyx | i think google.com can read .odt and .doc | 11:17 |
| timelyx | it should work :) | 11:17 |
| qwerty12 | There's antiword for the tablets too | 11:17 |
| timelyx | (you can choose from google.com, docs.google.com, and mail.google.com each has its own handler) | 11:18 |
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| lcuk | does anyone use blogger.com and is it a reasonable firstport type of place? | 11:52 |
| lcuk | actually, its ok ive just remembered ive got somewhere | 11:53 |
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| X-Fade_ | lcuk: I use blogger. Works ok for me. | 11:54 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, I'm running "diff -NruB --exclude='*svn\-base*'" but .svn folders still get included, any ideas? | 11:55 |
| lcuk | ta X-Fade_ :) i think ill pup my maemo stuff up on maemopeople for now, i hink ive got some catching up to do.. | 11:56 |
| X-Fade_ | qwerty12: Did you try "svn diff"? | 11:56 |
| qwerty12 | No, will try now, thanks | 11:56 |
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| hrhr | what software for maemo can read .odf or .doc? | 11:58 |
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| red-zack | check out the software pool on maemo.org | 12:04 |
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| timelyx | qwerty12: why not exclude '\.svn' ? | 12:12 |
| timelyx | but yeah, if you're using svn, use it | 12:12 |
| qwerty12 | I don't need svn and it seems to be messing up other things ,but thanks, I'll try that out. | 12:12 |
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| lcuk | to list process info in c, am i just as well to parse "top" or is there an api? | 12:17 |
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| timelyx | you could look at /proc | 12:22 |
| timelyx | but i'm sure there are better ways | 12:22 |
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| lardman | morning all | 12:24 |
| qwerty12 | 'morning | 12:24 |
| lardman | hi qwerty12 | 12:24 |
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| lardman | qwerty12: Could you tell me the file size of /lib/dsp/avs_kernel.out please? | 12:27 |
| lardman | on diablo that is | 12:27 |
| qwerty12 | Checking... | 12:27 |
| qwerty12 | 962048 according to ls | 12:27 |
| lardman | ok, so they've made some change to it then | 12:28 |
| lardman | thanks | 12:28 |
| qwerty12 | np | 12:28 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, no idea if this helps any: http://pastebin.com/df611c80 | 12:31 |
| lcuk | hmmm | 12:31 |
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| lardman | well at least things are being fixed, just a shame we don't have a translator for their internal bugtracker to ours | 12:32 |
| rm_you|n800 | GAN800: back | 12:32 |
| qwerty12 | Who wants to hax nokia :p | 12:32 |
| qwerty12 | steal their dsme source | 12:33 |
| lcuk | does anyone have a list of all the processes that can safely be killed? | 12:33 |
| lcuk | or is it still trial and error.. | 12:33 |
| rm_you|n800 | qwerty12: mememe | 12:33 |
| qwerty12 | rm_you|n800, ok, ve shall attack the enemy at 20:00 GMT | 12:33 |
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| rm_you|n800 | but i'd rather get their display applet | 12:33 |
| qwerty12 | Nokia really suck for closing the source to their applets | 12:34 |
| * qwerty12 rolls some serious eyes | 12:34 | |
| lardman | qwerty12: what do you need to know about DSME? | 12:34 |
| qwerty12 | It's quite pathetic. | 12:34 |
| lardman | s/qwerty/lcuk | 12:34 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, nothing but it would open up a lot :) | 12:34 |
| lardman | sorry | 12:34 |
| qwerty12 | ah | 12:34 |
| lardman | oh it was qwerty12, I've just fallen out of bed, brain not really at 100% yet | 12:35 |
| lardman | qwerty12: there's not much interesting in there really | 12:35 |
| lcuk | not a great deal lardman but if what i need is in there im sure ill find out | 12:35 |
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| timelyx | lardman: if you really need it i can look things up | 12:48 |
| timelyx | i just really don't want to go near the tracker from home | 12:48 |
| lardman | timelyx: What's that dsme? | 12:50 |
| timelyx | anything for which you want translations of bug numbers | 12:50 |
| rm_you|n800 | timelyx: look stuff up for me ;P | 12:51 |
| timelyx | mind you, ime translating stuff takes a really really long time | 12:51 |
| lcuk | timelyx, missed your suggestion, thx it might be enough | 12:51 |
| lardman | ah, I see | 12:51 |
| timelyx | the relnotes for browser will take me over a month each time | 12:51 |
| timelyx | and that's mostly translating the bug database | 12:51 |
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| timelyx | this is merely an offer, no QoS and certainly no time guarantees | 12:51 |
| timelyx | i've already told rm_you i don't intend to look before tuesday :) | 12:52 |
| * timelyx would rather watch a movie | 12:52 | |
| timelyx | (iron man?) | 12:52 |
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| lardman | :) | 12:52 |
| * qwerty12 lmaoed at harold and kumar escape from guantanamo bay. + they show 770 :p | 12:53 | |
| lardman | timelyx: Well bug numbers NB#77985, NB#79278, NB#72051, NB#70443 would be interesting, but no rush from my point of view | 12:53 |
| lardman | timelyx: is it so time consuming as you have to filter out confidential info, and get permission to release the info? | 12:54 |
| timelyx | no | 12:54 |
| timelyx | it's time consuming because the bug contents are like the ubuntu bugs i've referenced recently | 12:54 |
| timelyx | mostly indecipherable garbage :) | 12:55 |
| lardman | :D | 12:55 |
| timelyx | source code is the other way, there i have to figure out what you could already know or figure out and then rewrite it to match that | 12:55 |
| lardman | I'm happy to see the raw data/report if that helps | 12:55 |
| timelyx | iow, what i'm releasing should not actually be private | 12:55 |
| timelyx | if it's private, i'll tell you to find some other channel | 12:55 |
| lardman | cool, thanks for the offer | 12:56 |
| timelyx | either someone associated w/ the bug/package, or someone like quim | 12:56 |
| trickie | lcuk: nice video of liqbase, really awesome stuff | 12:56 |
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| lcuk | :) trickie | 12:56 |
| rm_you | lol, yes timelyx; i realize it is hard on you >_> but thanks very much for any assistance | 12:56 |
| rm_you | six months of frustration with something that SHOULD be simple but just isn't.... it goes to my head <_< | 12:57 |
| lardman | lcuk: Got a vid of the physics stuff yet? Even if it's old code, stick it up there, it's cool :) | 12:57 |
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| lcuk | no, but i will have soon, ive improved the dodging code somewhat :) and found some answers to niggly little things which annoyed me | 12:58 |
| lardman | lcuk: :) | 12:58 |
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| lardman | ~lart bluez-utils for not building! | 12:58 |
| * infobot cats /dev/urandom into bluez-utils's ear for not building! | 12:58 | |
| qwerty12 | I need to build a newer version of bluez-utils. | 12:59 |
| qwerty12 | Are you building stock or nokia's version? | 12:59 |
| lardman | I thought I'd build Nokia's version | 12:59 |
| lardman | just so it slots straight in, but with my sbc changes | 12:59 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, have you built libbluetooth2 as well? | 12:59 |
| lardman | no | 12:59 |
| qwerty12 | iirc that's nokia equivalent of bluez-libs (needed to build utils) | 13:00 |
| rm_you | lardman: >_> | 13:00 |
| lardman | http://maemo.pastebin.com/m2c63701 | 13:00 |
| qwerty12 | You haven't been messing with qemu by any chance? | 13:00 |
| lardman | nope, not done a thing | 13:00 |
| qwerty12 | What does config.log say? | 13:01 |
| lardman | nothing | 13:01 |
| lardman | well nothing related anyway, other than: configure: exit 1 | 13:01 |
| qwerty12 | It's compiling for me fine :/ | 13:02 |
| qwerty12 | But I haven't made any changes | 13:02 |
| lardman | MAKEINFO='${SHELL} /home/simon/build/dsp/sbc/test/bluez-utils-3.20/missing --run makeinfo' | 13:02 |
| lardman | is that usual? | 13:02 |
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| qwerty12 | No idea, but the debs built fine over here. | 13:05 |
| lardman | interesting, when I try to run a binary I get: mmap: Permission denied | 13:06 |
| qwerty12 | Ubuntu Hardy? | 13:06 |
| lardman | yes | 13:06 |
| qwerty12 | Shove in the line vm.mmap_min_addr = 4096 in /etc/sysctl.conf | 13:07 |
| lardman | cool, just found inz's page; thanks | 13:07 |
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| qwerty12 | Nokia have updated their release notes: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.0.1/INSTALL.txt | 13:07 |
| inz | Everybody finds my page | 13:08 |
| qwerty12 | Sounds spooky | 13:08 |
| * qwerty12 wishes Nokia would set up Diablo sdk repo | 13:08 | |
| inz | Well, only when they're googling for Hardy scratchbox mmap | 13:08 |
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| lardman | inz: Thanks for the fix | 13:10 |
| lardman | I forgot that it had updated my kernel | 13:10 |
| inz | lardman, I guess I was just lucky to be the first to hit the issue =) | 13:10 |
| lardman | luck!? ;) | 13:10 |
| inz | yeah, got lots of hits for it ;) | 13:11 |
| inz | That's what you get when you upgrade your work laptop to experimental distro ;) | 13:11 |
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| hrhr | how to syncronize n810 contacts with s60 phone or with kde desktop? | 13:12 |
| lardman | qwerty12: what version did you compile, looks like the sbc stuff from 3.31 won't play with the rest of 3.20 | 13:12 |
| timelyx | updated june, eh? | 13:13 |
| qwerty12 | I just compiled the 3.22 from Nokia's repo now but yesterday, I compiled 3.32 fine | 13:13 |
| lardman | qwerty12: are there any strange Nokia patches to know about? | 13:14 |
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| lcuk | does anyone find clicking a link in gmail hangs - ie i get a mail with a link in it, but clicking it holds on a mail.google.com intermediate page? | 13:15 |
| qwerty12 | The bluez from Nokia's repo does apply a patch. I did compile a clean Bluez from the main site fine though. | 13:15 |
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| timelyx | lcuk: there are something like a dozen different versions of gmail | 13:16 |
| chmac | G'day | 13:16 |
| timelyx | http://mail.google.com/mail/x | 13:16 |
| timelyx | http://mail.google.com/mail/h | 13:16 |
| timelyx | http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=1 | 13:16 |
| qwerty12 | I'm gonna see if I can update my Diablo's bluez from 3.28 to 3.32 using nokia's patch. | 13:16 |
| timelyx | http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2 | 13:16 |
| timelyx | ... | 13:16 |
| timelyx | which one are you using ? :) | 13:16 |
| chmac | Can anyone tell me, stupid question, but should the navigator button on the N810 be able to click both left and right? | 13:16 |
| lardman | qwerty12: Did you work out what version you were running in diablo? | 13:16 |
| chmac | Mine will only go right, it doesn't work when I try to click left | 13:16 |
| lardman | ah, strike that question | 13:16 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, It's 3.28, my CPU went way over so I rebooted but when I said what version it is, you were away | 13:17 |
| qwerty12 | ah | 13:17 |
| chmac | I wanted to check before I get too far down the road setting it up, if I have to send it away to be repaired / replaced :( | 13:17 |
| chmac | Anyone? | 13:17 |
| * qwerty12 needs to learn ASM. I need to disassemble the region binary. | 13:17 | |
| chmac | Does anyone have an N810? | 13:18 |
| qwerty12 | N800 here, sorry. | 13:18 |
| lcuk | thx timely, it was just the default? http://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#inbox/myinbox and the link went via http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=js&ver=otherstuff | 13:18 |
| chmac | qwerty12: The button on the pad goes left as well as right on the 800 right? | 13:18 |
| qwerty12 | On my N800, pressing left and right works fine. | 13:18 |
| chmac | qwerty12: I'm guessing it must be a fault, because the right button is very, very sensitive | 13:18 |
| chmac | qwerty12: Ok, great, thanks, I'm sure it's supposed to work on the 810 also, oh dear, new tablet and it doesn't work :( | 13:19 |
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| qwerty12 | Where are you trying to use it? (the buttons that is) | 13:19 |
| lcuk | chmac thanks i got it working that way | 13:19 |
| lardman | chmac: You should be able to move left and right on the 4-way scrolly thing, yes | 13:19 |
| chmac | lardman: Ok, great, thanks | 13:20 |
| chmac | What a bummer, just spent 4 hours on trains to pick it up and it's got a hardware fault :( | 13:20 |
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| timelyx | lcuk: ok.... fwiw, i've had problems w/ the js ui in safari 1 here... | 13:22 |
| lardman | chmac: 2nd hand? | 13:22 |
| timelyx | i've given up and switched to /h/ | 13:22 |
| timelyx | i'd already switched my n8x0s to use /h/ most of the time a while ago | 13:22 |
| chmac | lardman: I got it on eBay, but it was in a sealed box, the girl said she won it on the radio | 13:22 |
| chmac | It was definitely unopened though | 13:22 |
| chmac | I'm just hoping it's less than a year old, should be a simple warrant claim I guess | 13:23 |
| lardman | so you can't scroll left when you're in notes for example? | 13:23 |
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| qwerty12 | Ok, the Nokia patch applies fine on bluez-libs 3.32 but the Nokia patch for bluez-utils 3.22 fails when patched on 3.32. | 13:24 |
| qwerty12 | I'm gonna patch it in by hand >.< | 13:24 |
| chmac | lardman: Can't scroll in anything | 13:24 |
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| lardman | chmac: ok, sounds faulty then. Sorry | 13:24 |
| lardman | qwerty12: cool, let me know when you're done, I'd like to use the patch please | 13:25 |
| chmac | lardman: Yeah, I guessed as soon as I tried it, but wanted to check because it's called a D scroller! | 13:25 |
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| chmac | Thought it was unlikely that it didn't scroll left! | 13:25 |
| chmac | Thanks for all your help guys, here's hoping they can replace it fairly soon | 13:25 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, will do | 13:26 |
| chmac | I've added this channel to my auto-join, so I'll see yall soon :) | 13:26 |
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| qwerty12 | Nice, #Disable=Control,Source is replaced with Disable=Sink. | 13:28 |
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| k`sOSe | where i can get the source code of maemo? | 13:54 |
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| qwerty12 | dpkg-buildpackage doesn't keep a log anywhere does it? | 13:55 |
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| qwerty12 | Never mind | 13:56 |
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| qwerty12 | Ok, I did a extremely dirty hack to make a nokia deb for 3.32, I have no idea if this will compile. | 14:00 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, done, 3.32 compiles fine. | 14:02 |
| qwerty12 | (WIth dodgy hacks for Nokia compatibity)... | 14:03 |
| lardman | dodgy? | 14:03 |
| lardman | did all of the Nokia patches apply ok? | 14:04 |
| lardman | If so, could I grab a copy please? | 14:04 |
| lardman | of the diff that is | 14:04 |
| qwerty12 | Well, I kinda used a variation on the Nokia patch :/ | 14:04 |
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| qwerty12 | config.guess and config.sub - the main thing was making it use exit 0;; instead of exit;;, it did some odd stuff removing architectures which to me was pointless | 14:05 |
| qwerty12 | I stole the debian folder from the 3.22 and inserted it into 3.32 | 14:05 |
| qwerty12 | Some files were missing so I copied them from 3.22 into 3.32 not overwriting any 3.32 things | 14:06 |
| k`sOSe | anyone please? ..i'm looking for the email app sources, where i can find them ? | 14:06 |
| qwerty12 | All the patches in debian/patches applied fine except for the bt-sdp one, so I applied manually. | 14:07 |
| qwerty12 | Still interested?... | 14:07 |
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| lardman | qwerty12_N800: yes please, got to go food shopping now though, but should be back in ~an hour | 14:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ok, but I cannot provide no diff :/ | 14:14 |
| lardman | ah, ok well I'll have a look myself then - you say they applied ok except for the last one? | 14:15 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Yes, but it's only a tiny patch, so it only takes a second | 14:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I can give the tar.bz2 though? | 14:16 |
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| lopz | hola | 15:01 |
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| * lcuk ponders collaboration | 15:05 | |
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| rm_you_ | lcuk: it's what Open Source is all about :P | 15:07 |
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| lcuk | it is, but im still trying to find out whether i want to go down this route and whether it will restrict me later | 15:08 |
| rm_you | go down the open source route? | 15:09 |
| rm_you | restrict you from what? | 15:09 |
| rm_you | you want to make closed source software? >_> | 15:09 |
| rm_you | it's not like you give up the rights to anything... | 15:09 |
| rm_you | you can relicense later if you want, or keep a dual license... | 15:10 |
| lcuk | no, but accepting patches and modifications would | 15:10 |
| rm_you | <_< | 15:10 |
| rm_you | I really never thought I'd find someone on one of these IRC channels that didn't believe in Open Source <_< | 15:10 |
| lcuk | im erring more towards making the rendering and background code open - its usable mainly on this device | 15:10 |
| rm_you | you want to sell your app? | 15:11 |
| lcuk | its a distinct possibility - with the other things i have in mind especially so | 15:11 |
| rm_you | :/ | 15:11 |
| CrashandDie | open source != commercial | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | donation based open source is always possible, or bounties :P | 15:12 |
| lcuk | i work in a closed shop and if (for instance) i coded up our breadwinner for fast smooth maemo i wouldnt be able to open it | 15:12 |
| rm_you | you could license it such that it is "open source" but any use on a non-maemo device requires a licensing fee | 15:12 |
| CrashandDie | but the two can play together nicely | 15:12 |
| rm_you | and just put in a clause that any submitted patches become your property | 15:12 |
| lcuk | i know they can play together, and now it seems that my initial learning phase is over i can start to do real things with it | 15:12 |
| rm_you | and must be released under your license | 15:12 |
| lcuk | no, that wouldnt be good - i think having the library fully gpl would be the best approach - if people wanna build their own modules for it then great | 15:13 |
| lcuk | i have no problems there | 15:13 |
| rm_you | I may take donations on software, but I don't think I'll *ever* build software in my own time that isn't GPL or some open source license :( | 15:14 |
| lcuk | its just i cannot release this whole monolic liqbase | 15:14 |
| lcuk | i quite like the idea of apps at home being free (ie on maemo) | 15:14 |
| rm_you | I guess if the open source philosophy isn't appealing to you :/ | 15:14 |
| lcuk | i started coding before linux was mainstream in a world with shareware and closed source apps - and it worked, most people dont care | 15:15 |
| pupnik | nobody's complaining that garnetvm isn't FOSS | 15:15 |
| rm_you | sorry, most of the people you'll talk to in this channel spend an inordinate amount of time BATTLING to get the source on various things open | 15:15 |
| lcuk | as long as the app is maintained it was not a problem | 15:15 |
| glass | users care that it works | 15:15 |
| rm_you | pupnik: I did <_<\ | 15:16 |
| rm_you | I'm still kinda annoyed <_< | 15:16 |
| lcuk | rm_you, i was at linuxtag recently and had long discussions with lots of people and i read and watch an amazing amount of input | 15:16 |
| rm_you | theres stuff I want to fix in garnetVM, but i can't >_< | 15:16 |
| pupnik | ok fair enough. did you work on POSE? | 15:17 |
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| rm_you | no? | 15:17 |
| rm_you | don't know what that is | 15:17 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | an oss palm emu | 15:17 |
| rm_you | ah | 15:17 |
| rm_you | no | 15:17 |
| lcuk | but when i see nokia themselves dipping their toes but resisting getting their hair wet for similar reasons as me it makes me think | 15:17 |
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| rm_you | it makes me think that they should just dive in the pool and stop all this half-assed shit | 15:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ^ | 15:18 |
| rm_you | again, I spend a lot of my time battling closed-source BS... so meh | 15:18 |
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| pupnik | which would require nokia to manufacture their own CPU and SOC without any license limitations. | 15:19 |
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| rm_you | yes, there are a few cases I will deal with it | 15:19 |
| rm_you | like I live with opera closed source, because, as you mentioned... it WORKS, it works WELL, and it is WELL SUPPORTED | 15:19 |
| rm_you | if you think you can do that... then I guess it would be worth a shot... if you REALLY want to do that... | 15:19 |
| rm_you | but I think the future of your application would be MUCH better if it was open source than if it were not | 15:20 |
| lcuk | i am of the opinion that when a company stops supporting a product it should be open sourced so it doesnt die | 15:20 |
| pupnik | hear hear | 15:20 |
| lcuk | but whilst its in active development it doesnt actually matter because someone is around to work on it who knows more than you ever will and how the different elements interplay | 15:20 |
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| rm_you | i mean, it's not like I'd shun you for releasing it closed source... (for more than a week or two) | 15:21 |
| lcuk | lol | 15:21 |
| patoh | shunnn | 15:21 |
| * rm_you points at lcuk accusingly | 15:21 | |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/SDL_scrolly_sync.tgz i'd be grateful if someone figgered out how to get vsync'd updates | 15:22 |
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| lcuk | rm_you, let me put it another way - i have nothing against open source, but on my own personal level i dont want to be steered in a different direction and have bugs introduced which i have no idea where they came from. if my employer said "we are releasing your next project as oss" i would be happy because the decision was not mine :) | 15:22 |
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| rm_you | lcuk: you maintain control... | 15:23 |
| patoh | lcuk: you don't have to accept patches | 15:23 |
| rm_you | like, someone submitted a neat patch for advanced-backlight the other day | 15:23 |
| patoh | a lot of opensource projects don't | 15:23 |
| rm_you | i looked at it, decided I liked the functionality... reviewed the code, accepted it was good, and then applied it | 15:23 |
| lcuk | hmmm well pupnik, i rotated the code editor and noticed i still get a tear about once every 600ms.. | 15:23 |
| rm_you | i could have at any point there decided it did bad things or wasn't useful | 15:23 |
| lcuk | nowhere near as bad and i can still get readable smooth text but its noticable to me.. | 15:24 |
| rm_you | lcuk: lets say this... you can release it as GPL at first, and if it doesn't work out, *you maintain control* so you can just relicense it as a closed app and stop distributing source | 15:25 |
| pupnik | thanks to lcuk we were able to show that vsync support is broken (at least as we're using it) | 15:25 |
| rm_you | i think your app is way too cool to keep closed :( | 15:25 |
| lcuk | pupnik, im getting deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole with all this and ill find out whats taking bandwidth away :) | 15:25 |
| rm_you | it also can further development of other maemo apps, as they can look to you for examples if you do things that are groundbreaking | 15:26 |
| pupnik | I don't think failing vsync calls are related to lack of bandwidth | 15:26 |
| lcuk | that makes no different whether its open or closed | 15:26 |
| rm_you | well, they can't look at your code for examples if it's closed.... | 15:26 |
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| patoh | people can't learn from your code, help you with bug fixes, make way cool new features | 15:27 |
| lcuk | no, but something is interupting the transfer making it over 1frame duration | 15:27 |
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| pupnik | hmm | 15:27 |
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| pupnik | o/ | 15:27 |
| lcuk | well when i extract the code from my playtest i will see which license feels right - i might even decide to open the code with a custom license as you say - that idea of "free development for maemo" sounds intresting at the least | 15:28 |
| lardman | re | 15:28 |
| lcuk | hi lard \o | 15:28 |
| lardman | ~curse shopping | 15:28 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, shopping ! | 15:28 |
| lardman | hi lcuk | 15:29 |
| pupnik | more tearsync opinions (lcuk) http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=82161&postcount=15 | 15:29 |
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| pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12770&highlight=vsync | 15:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi lardman, btw dunno if you caught this message but i cant share the diff but I can give the .tar.bz | 15:30 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: Of the source? | 15:30 |
| lcuk | by the way folks: how can i have 500 views of my video already | 15:30 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: Of the patched source that is? | 15:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, yeah | 15:30 |
| rm_you | lcuk: cause its awesome | 15:30 |
| lcuk | :D | 15:30 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: What version was that? .32? | 15:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yeah | 15:30 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: In which case yep, I'll then replace the sbc dir and compile and hopefully it'll work :) | 15:31 |
| lardman | thanks | 15:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | good luck, i'll upload to sendspace as that doesn't crash microb :) | 15:31 |
| * rm_you is on the edge of his seat (gogo lardman! :P) | 15:33 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | You will need to compile bluez-libs though, but the nokia patch applies fine on version 3.32 of the libs | 15:33 |
| lardman | ok | 15:33 |
| rm_you | lcuk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_license :P | 15:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | http://www.sendspace.com/file/qtlffk | 15:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Debian folder could do with some cleaning :/ | 15:36 |
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| lardman | qwerty12_N800: Cool, got it, thanks | 15:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | also, the debs will be made with the old version number (compatible with osso-software-version) but the tools are 3.32 | 15:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | np | 15:37 |
| lardman | ah ok, so they are version .28 then? | 15:37 |
| lardman | they think they are anyway | 15:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Just the deb is versioned wrong :) | 15:38 |
| hrhr | plz, somewone point me to dualboot howto on n810 | 15:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | like a n810 in a 770 box :p | 15:38 |
| hrhr | nobody know's? | 15:40 |
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| rm_you | lcuk: so, I believe what you can essentially do is this: license your code as GPL, MIT or BSD, whatever... Then require that all patches people submit be released to you either as public domain or actually have them turn over the rights to you, though public domain should be simple enough. Then you can take that and put it in your code and still maintain the legal right to relicense it for commercial purposes | 15:41 |
| aquatix | if you have GPL'ed code, a patch to it can't be public domain right? | 15:41 |
| aquatix | it's derived work | 15:42 |
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| aquatix | or am i mistaken? | 15:42 |
| rm_you | lcuk: so, what that will do is allow all of us open source nuts to do whatever we want with it, but any commercial entity that wants to use it will need to contact you about a dual license or else they wouldnt be able to use it without GPLing their own code | 15:42 |
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| aquatix | but you can request the rights to it to be transferred to you | 15:42 |
| aquatix | s/request/demand | 15:42 |
| rm_you | heh yeah | 15:42 |
| rm_you | i mean, it limits the amount of people that will be willing to submit patches... but it's better than nothing | 15:43 |
| lcuk | rm, im not against gpl for most of the code im writing, and i think i will be making the main library and stuff sorted. my problem is releasing liqbase as it stands wholesale because its got stuff i want to develop further - this is my playtest area | 15:43 |
| rm_you | then dual license that? | 15:43 |
| rm_you | the GPL isn't designed to be limiting to the person that writes the code | 15:44 |
| rm_you | See QT | 15:44 |
| lcuk | no, ill just keep the modules which sit ontop of it for specific jobs closed | 15:44 |
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| rm_you | but... that's ridiculous. it's the exact same problem me and several other people are having with nokia right now | 15:44 |
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| rm_you | they think "why not just have these trivial little modules closed?" ... well, lots of reasons >_< | 15:45 |
| lcuk | and then if my boss wants me to release XYZ on maemo i can say, yer i can make that and not have to try to convince him to open it, because i know he wouldnt | 15:45 |
| rm_you | you wouldnt have to open it, since you can dual license your software to yourself | 15:45 |
| rm_you | under a commercial license | 15:46 |
| lcuk | iby the way, in all of this im not even thinking of the books and sketching.. | 15:46 |
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| * lcuk is just planning ahead | 15:47 | |
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| lardman | qwerty12-N800: ping | 15:47 |
| lcuk | look at canola, they have improved the core components which allow them to work, but they have kept their specific module closed | 15:47 |
| rm_you | as long as you retain your rights to the code (which, you do...) you can always close it or relicense it whenever you want | 15:47 |
| qwerty12-N800 | lardman, pong | 15:48 |
| rm_you | so i'm not sure why this is an issue at all | 15:48 |
| lcuk | putting the cat back in the bag is always harder than keeping it inside :) | 15:48 |
| lardman | qwerty12-N800: The package has created 3.22, which is odd as Chinook uses 3.20 and I thought Diablo used 3.28? | 15:48 |
| rm_you | it really isn't difficult... | 15:48 |
| rm_you | <_< | 15:48 |
| rm_you | seriously, take a look at how QT did it | 15:49 |
| rm_you | http://trolltech.com/company/about/businessmodel | 15:49 |
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| qwerty12-N800 | lardman, nokia's 3.28 isn't available, so I had to do it with the 3.22 version :/. The files inside are 3.32 | 15:49 |
| lcuk | ok, devils advocate time, i grab all of backlight and decide to release advanced_backlite does that code go away just because you relicense it? | 15:50 |
| rm_you | no | 15:50 |
| rm_you | but anything you do with it has to be open source | 15:50 |
| lardman | qwerty12-N800: Where did you make the change to the version #, I really need it to think it's 3.20 | 15:50 |
| rm_you | specifically GPL | 15:50 |
| lcuk | rm_you, no it doesnt, many companies have proven that | 15:50 |
| rm_you | then they are in violation of the GPL | 15:51 |
| rm_you | and can be sued | 15:51 |
| lcuk | sorry, misread | 15:51 |
| lcuk | you are right in the example i start | 15:51 |
| lcuk | ed | 15:51 |
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| inherited | whohoo | 15:51 |
| qwerty12-N800 | lardman, I didn't, it's 3.32 source but the debian folder is from 3.22 so just the deb is versioned wrong | 15:51 |
| lcuk | but opensource isnt everything :) | 15:51 |
| inherited | this channel exists indeed | 15:51 |
| * lcuk is lining himself up to be shot | 15:52 | |
| rm_you | lcuk: lol... propose more examples | 15:52 |
| rm_you | we can talk through this stuff | 15:52 |
| lardman | qwerty12-N800: Yep, but my version of the os wants 3.20, so I thought I should get it to think it's that version? | 15:52 |
| Veggen | lcuk: no, everyone has the right to choose whichever license they want for code they own. | 15:52 |
| rm_you | did you read the trolltech page? | 15:52 |
| inherited | Hello everyone, i tried to install scratchbox but if i want to use the login script or install maemo-sdk, it fails with message "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed!" | 15:52 |
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| inherited | what i am doing wrong? | 15:53 |
| qwerty12-N800 | hmm, edit the control file then if you need it reported as lower version | 15:53 |
| lcuk | i know one thing which means open source isnt all bad: brand recognition is key | 15:53 |
| lardman | inherited: http://inz.fi/blog/2008/01/17/scratchbox-on-hardy/ is one bit | 15:53 |
| Veggen | lcuk: but any open source developer who decides to withhold parts of the code as closed source deserves to have his "open source motives" questioned. | 15:53 |
| lardman | inherited: the other is: echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled | 15:53 |
| lardman | inherited: Assuming you're running Ubuntu | 15:53 |
| lcuk | rm_you, when people make patches for your program - are they allowed to release it with your brand name and design assets? | 15:54 |
| rm_you | the BSD license has a no advertising clause | 15:54 |
| lardman | lcuk: The other problem with not releasing code, is that it drives people to replace it | 15:54 |
| rm_you | http://www.opensource.org/licenses/bsd-license.php | 15:54 |
| rm_you | read the third clause | 15:54 |
| inherited | lardman: no, im running archlinux | 15:54 |
| lardman | lcuk: out of sheer bloody-mindedness if nothing else | 15:54 |
| rm_you | "Neither the name of the <ORGANIZATION> nor the names of its contributors may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software without specific prior written permission." | 15:54 |
| lcuk | lol i know that one lard | 15:54 |
| lardman | inherited: Might work for you still, give it a go | 15:54 |
| inherited | ok | 15:55 |
| inherited | thx | 15:55 |
| lardman | inherited: Try the echo one first, as I seem to remember that error message or something similar | 15:55 |
| qwerty12-N800 | vdso is kernel thing, not specific to ubuntu | 15:55 |
| lcuk | veggen, im pondering the future. im not against opening up the entire pathways to getting entire applications working, but specific modules built ontop of this framework may be requested from my employer - who is so anti OSS that I know he would never consider it | 15:56 |
| inherited | lardman: wow, great! | 15:56 |
| inherited | lardman: it seems to work, but what exactly does this do? | 15:56 |
| rm_you | lcuk: so give him a commercial license and also release it GPL | 15:57 |
| rm_you | really not an issue | 15:57 |
| Veggen | lcuk: so he'll refuse it even if you re-license? | 15:57 |
| Veggen | lcuk: my advice to you is this one: Find a different job. | 15:57 |
| Veggen | yes, truly. | 15:57 |
| lcuk | :) | 15:57 |
| lcuk | no comment | 15:58 |
| aquatix | lcuk: branding is the problem mozilla and debian had a while ago | 15:58 |
| aquatix | not sure whether that's put into legal text in licenses like the gpl | 15:59 |
| lardman | inherited: can't remember, try a google search for the fix + scratchbox and you'll probably find someone explain it | 15:59 |
| aquatix | but that's because defending your brand is something a company can/must do anyway | 15:59 |
| Veggen | aquatix: the gpl doesn't deal with trademarks and branding, only code. | 15:59 |
| inherited | okay, thanks for the fast help ;) | 15:59 |
| rm_you | lcuk / aquatix: BSD license has a no advertising clause! | 15:59 |
| aquatix | Veggen: yeah, thought so | 15:59 |
| rm_you | http://www.opensource.org/licenses/bsd-license.php | 16:00 |
| rm_you | lcuk / aquatix: Neither the name of the <ORGANIZATION> nor the names of its contributors may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software without specific prior written permission. | 16:00 |
| aquatix | ah, check | 16:00 |
| lcuk | well that solves that issue :) | 16:00 |
| rm_you | i said that earlier but no one was listening <_< | 16:01 |
| aquatix | except that bsd isn't viral | 16:01 |
| * rm_you goes and sits in a corner | 16:01 | |
| aquatix | so you don't enforce a derivation to be OSS too | 16:01 |
| rm_you | "Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer." | 16:01 |
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| lcuk | i did see rm | 16:01 |
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| rm_you | just because one open source license doesnt quite fit, doesnt mean a good one for you doesnt exist | 16:04 |
| lcuk | now thats the most sense ive heard today :) | 16:04 |
| rm_you | well, people often assume that if they don't like the GPL, they have to keep their program closed <_< | 16:05 |
| rm_you | http://www.opensource.org/licenses/alphabetical | 16:05 |
| lcuk | thanks rm, i do not enjoy playing it from this side and have been struggling to even see a path through that rests the daytime me with the nighttime me | 16:06 |
| rm_you | the QT license is actually quite nice for your purposes: http://www.opensource.org/licenses/qtpl.php | 16:07 |
| rm_you | 3b: "When modifications to the Software are released under this license, a non-exclusive royalty-free right is granted to the initial developer of the Software to distribute your modification in future versions of the Software provided such versions remain available under these terms in addition to any other license(s) of the initial developer." | 16:07 |
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| rm_you | you can also just tack on the BSD no advert clause if you want... there's nothing stopping you from saying: "This software is licensed under the QTPL and also the following clause:" | 16:08 |
| lardman | inherited: np | 16:09 |
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| lcuk | all good ideas rm | 16:10 |
| lcuk | ive reading up on this qt license now :) | 16:11 |
| rm_you | :) | 16:12 |
| rm_you | make sure to read Trolltech's page too, it explains the philosophy very well | 16:12 |
| rm_you | and proves that it can work :P | 16:12 |
| lcuk | i know it can work, but i am afraid to make a mistake which i cannot undo :) such is life | 16:14 |
| rm_you | if you REALLY need to... talk to a lawyer :/ | 16:14 |
| rm_you | also, there are IRC channels with people that know a LOT more about this sort of thing | 16:15 |
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| rm_you | try #debian-legal :P | 16:15 |
| lcuk | lol - ill do an ask-slashdot :D | 16:15 |
| lcuk | infact, as for opinion thats not such a bad idea, let everyone fight it out :) | 16:16 |
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| rm_you | ok well, I am prolly going to sleep soon | 16:18 |
| lcuk | thanks for pushing rm | 16:19 |
| rm_you | I really hope you do the right thing and choose an open source licensing scheme. :P (lol) | 16:19 |
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| lardman | ~lart debian packaging | 16:28 |
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| fysa | lcuk, watching the demo. well done. | 16:42 |
| hrhr | will fanoush initfs from 2.2007.50-2 work with 2.2007.51-3 firmware? | 16:44 |
| fysa | very insightful. makes me want a kinetic text editor -- i.e. double-tap a line to go into editting mode | 16:48 |
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| AStorm | hrhr: it should | 16:55 |
| AStorm | but then, there are initfs rebuild and update instructions | 16:55 |
| AStorm | use these and not these old images | 16:55 |
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| shapr | Are there any instructions online to set my N800 up to share its bluetoot internet connection via wifi? | 16:57 |
| AStorm | I'd like some too, to make a BT PAN of my laptop | 16:57 |
| shapr | I'd like to get my OLPC XO connected to the 'net through my phone somehow, N800 seems like a good option. | 16:58 |
| AStorm | uhm? | 16:58 |
| AStorm | ok | 16:58 |
| AStorm | you'll just need a few iptables modules | 16:58 |
| shapr | Like phone <-> N800 <-> XO | 16:58 |
| AStorm | and set one sysctl | 16:58 |
| shapr | Does the N800 work in AP mode? | 16:58 |
| AStorm | no | 16:58 |
| AStorm | no master mode | 16:58 |
| AStorm | you can use ad-hoc | 16:58 |
| shapr | aha | 16:59 |
| RST38h | what is liqbase anyway? | 16:59 |
| shapr | AStorm: Can you point me to some instructions for that? | 16:59 |
| AStorm | uhm... | 16:59 |
| AStorm | setting up wifi you already know I hope (done from the UI) | 16:59 |
| shapr | Setting it up as ad-hoc? | 17:00 |
| AStorm | yes | 17:00 |
| shapr | That just requires me to set up an ad-hoc connection, right? | 17:00 |
| lcuk | fysa :) you aren't the only one - coupled with the fact my code and compiler is on the device and having to put up with slow mode editors (not any fault of their own) i really want an ide on there :)( | 17:00 |
| lcuk | -( | 17:00 |
| AStorm | it's adding manually networks, yes | 17:00 |
| shapr | Right, I can do that. | 17:00 |
| AStorm | ok | 17:00 |
| AStorm | then, you need a few iptables modules for 2.6.21-nokia | 17:00 |
| shapr | Which ones? | 17:01 |
| AStorm | obviously, MASQUERADE | 17:01 |
| AStorm | and ipt_nat | 17:01 |
| fysa | lcuk, that would put me over the edge for an N810 | 17:01 |
| lcuk | i suppose it would have to - in xv ive got no hildon virtual keyboard support ;) | 17:02 |
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| AStorm | shapr: I don't think anyone made these already, you can ask. I could build these too, but later | 17:02 |
| RST38h | lcuk: you seem to know what liqbase is. What is it? =) | 17:02 |
| AStorm | shapr: then you set up like a normal Linux router, that is ip_forwarding sysctl and iptables MASQUERADE | 17:03 |
| AStorm | you get to write the init script for that yourself | 17:03 |
| lcuk | i should know what it is - ive sweated over it for more hours than i care to count (but its part of relearning c and seeing whether i could do stuff i want to do with a touch device | 17:03 |
| * lcuk sees it as a learning exercise only | 17:04 | |
| lcuk | real apps will come out of it | 17:04 |
| shapr | AStorm: Thanks for the info | 17:04 |
| shapr | Any rumors whether maemo will handle multi-touch sometime soon? | 17:05 |
| lcuk | RST38h, in proper terms, its my workround to the RGB rendering limitations in sdl and gtk and normal x - it runs on xv with all graphics and font rendering code written entirely for YUV | 17:05 |
| AStorm | shapr: no, screen doesn't support it | 17:05 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: is it the next maemopad? =) | 17:07 |
| lcuk | its limited and (i think) stuck to one app at a time in it and the code is very optimised to what i want to achieve but each day i work on it it gets easier to expand and do more - ive got almost 10 years of code to port back to c where ive thought "if i had a touchscreen i could do xyz" | 17:07 |
| RST38h | heheh | 17:08 |
| lcuk | i dunno, i lose the notes i make in maemopad - its difficult for me to find what i want | 17:08 |
| RST38h | From the video, it looks better than maemopad | 17:08 |
| lcuk | with this i can see and scroll around my big piece of paper - im currently tagging and grouping everything and letting things evolve | 17:08 |
| RST38h | + you can probably mix text files and drawings on the same canvas | 17:08 |
| RST38h | and let user highlight parts of the text files | 17:09 |
| lcuk | well, funny you should say that :) | 17:09 |
| RST38h | or even pdfs | 17:09 |
| * RST38h is probably reading lcuk's mind. Sorry. | 17:09 | |
| lcuk | pdfs would need an engine somewhere - i can definately render arbitary text anywhere - as for graphics | 17:09 |
| lardman | anyone got a2dp working here? | 17:10 |
| lcuk | thats another issue at this point, ive just today put the first include <jpeglib.h> in | 17:10 |
| lardman | "alsa-lib: pcm_bluetooth.c:1158:(bluetooth_cfg) Error 22 while configuring device" is my problem | 17:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | with newer bluez? | 17:10 |
| lardman | no, with old for the time being to get a benchmark | 17:11 |
| RST38h | lcuk: maybe I should change my code from using plain GtkImage to xv | 17:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, Ah, hmm, i'm in the process of setting mine up right now | 17:11 |
| RST38h | YUV isn't a big deal, as far as I'm concerned | 17:11 |
| lcuk | for now though theres 2 priorities :) clean up the stuff so i can release the text reader so people can get a feel | 17:11 |
| lcuk | jpeg should be technically ok - internally its YUV anyway so it should also be faster than FILE->YUV->RGB->Screen :) | 17:12 |
| lcuk | the second is an extension to my no comment above :) | 17:13 |
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| fysa | does modest work with fetchmail? | 17:14 |
| lcuk | ack later | 17:15 |
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| lardman | am going to try a restart to see if that sorts it out | 17:20 |
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| lardman | cool, that's fixed it | 17:23 |
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| lardman | ok, new version installed, let's see if it works.... | 17:36 |
| lardman | damn, looks like alsa needs to be rebuilt too | 17:37 |
| lardman | or it might be an mplayer issue | 17:37 |
| lardman | alsa-lib: pcm_bluetooth.c:1521:(audioservice_expect) Bogus message BT_GETCAPABILITIES_REQ received while BT_GETCAPABILITIES_RSP was expected | 17:38 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, alsa should be easy, libasound is only thing needed. did you compile 3.32 version of bluez-libs/libbluetooth2? | 17:42 |
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| lardman | yes | 17:46 |
| lardman | I'm wondering if I need to recompile mplayer in fact | 17:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | if you have the time, xmms works too (thanks to our own rm_you ) | 17:49 |
| lardman | but will probably suffer from the same problem if they are linked against a different API provided by the BT bit of ALSA | 17:49 |
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| lardman | wow, mplayer is a big checkout | 17:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, it may be easier to steal the newer diablo debs. i'm using mplayer 27 (chinook) with bluez .28 and libasound .14 iirc on diablo, i'll let you know how it goes | 17:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i checked it out many times this morning :/ | 17:53 |
| lardman | and is a2dp working for you? | 17:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i haven't tried yet | 17:54 |
| lardman | I'm going to build mplayer and point it at the newer bluez-utils includes, hopefully | 17:54 |
| lardman | otoh, perhaps it would be easier to backport my sbc changes to bluez-utils-3.20 and it would then just work for most people | 17:56 |
| * qwerty12_N800 would love that | 17:56 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~curse ndiswrapper and ti | 17:58 |
| fysa | how is sound quality with a2dp? | 17:58 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, ndiswrapper and ti ! | 17:58 |
| lardman | fysa: no pauses with performance as the governor | 17:58 |
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| qwerty12 | BTW, at lardman, if you wish to (no pressures), any chance of sharing your SBC work? | 17:59 |
| lardman | qwerty12: It's all been shared for ages, in the dsp-sbc garage project | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | The bluez changes? | 18:00 |
| lardman | look in dsp-sbc/mk2/arm/ | 18:01 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, I see, thanks! | 18:01 |
| lardman | that is an altered copy of the sbc dir from bluez-utils | 18:01 |
| fysa | the tech in general--usable for day-to-day music? | 18:02 |
| pupnik | interesting. lardman "< ldesnogu> well we have free DSP tools for OMAP35 since yesterday" | 18:02 |
| lardman | compiler? | 18:02 |
| lardman | same's true for the omap17xx/2xxx | 18:02 |
| lardman | but good to know | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, I'll checkout and recompile bluez-libs, bluez-utils, libasound & mplayer. | 18:03 |
| * qwerty12 tars up my Uber /etc/bluetooth folder :p | 18:03 | |
| lardman | qwerty12: you sure; would be great | 18:03 |
| lardman | qwerty12: I really can't be bothered any more; could do with sitting down with a beer really :) | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | I've got time :) | 18:03 |
| * qwerty12 gives lardman a beer | 18:03 | |
| lardman | :) | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | (or I would do if I was old enough to buy :P) | 18:04 |
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| lardman | backporting to 3.20 means some code changes from the looks of it | 18:04 |
| lardman | qwerty12: :p | 18:04 |
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| johnx | is there some reason to backport to 3.20? | 18:05 |
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| qwerty12 | Ah, I meant I'd have a go with the 3.32 version. IMHO, it's only worth backporting to 3.28 because the bluez has some better a2dp improvements anyway. | 18:05 |
| qwerty12 | ~curse nokia for not having a diablo sdk repo | 18:05 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, nokia for not having a diablo sdk repo ! | 18:05 |
| qwerty12 | infobot, lame | 18:05 |
| infobot | [lame] an LGPL MP3 encoder, #mp3encoder http://lame.sourceforge.net/ see http://www.apt-get.org/ apt-get sites | 18:05 |
| johnx | ahaha | 18:05 |
| qwerty12 | infobot gets me everytime :( | 18:05 |
| qwerty12 | :p | 18:05 |
| lardman | johnx: so I don't have to recompile alsa and mplayer basically | 18:05 |
| johnx | I'll recompile for you and make packages if qwerty doesn't get to it first | 18:06 |
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| qwerty12 | johnx, you may as well | 18:06 |
| qwerty12 | I'm gonna work on the 3.32 branch | 18:06 |
| pupnik | http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?s=&showtopic=40888&view=findpost&p=616752 | 18:06 |
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| qwerty12 | I don't want to downgrade my 3.28 to 3.22 which has worse A2DP anyway. | 18:07 |
| johnx | qwerty12, bah...I figured you had already started :P | 18:07 |
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| johnx | er...me neither | 18:07 |
| johnx | I was offering to recompile mplayer and alsa | 18:07 |
| lardman | ok, well the code in dsp-sbc/mk2/arm is the patched code from bluez-utils/sbc/ so a drop-in-and-replace job | 18:07 |
| lardman | johnx: Are you running diablo? | 18:08 |
| johnx | yup | 18:08 |
| lardman | ah ok, I'm not | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, Ah. hmm, you may have to recompile bluez-libs anyway at least | 18:08 |
| johnx | lardman, anything I can recompile for you to make your life easier? | 18:08 |
| lardman | bluez-utils-3.32 needs to be compiled to get the changes (and that's fair enough), I've also done Bluez-libs-3.32, but when I replaced my current bluez-*-3.20 stuff with those.. | 18:09 |
| lardman | mplayer is not overly impressed | 18:09 |
| johnx | interesting | 18:10 |
| lardman | looks like an api change for the alsa stuff, not sure if alsa need a recompile, but I doubt it as bluez-utils gave me an alsa plugin/lib... | 18:10 |
| johnx | mplayer shouldn't care... | 18:10 |
| lardman | so probably mplayer needs a recompile | 18:10 |
| qwerty12 | As soon as I get my A2DP working, I'll start compiling. | 18:10 |
| johnx | ah, the alsa to bluetooth-pcm api? or the alsa api exposed to mplayer? | 18:10 |
| lardman | basically I thought I'd backport the sbc stuff from .32 to .20 and then all should be well in the world, perhaps | 18:11 |
| lardman | johnx: no idea, one or the other - the error message is in my last post to the list | 18:11 |
| johnx | I'll take a look, but my C was never very good, and is now painfully rusty O_o | 18:12 |
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| qwerty12 | Like yourself? :P | 18:12 |
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| qwerty12 | Nah, only j/king :P | 18:13 |
| * johnx checks | 18:13 | |
| * johnx is not covered in rust | 18:13 | |
| johnx | :P | 18:13 |
| * aquatix is getting rusty | 18:13 | |
| lcuk | hmmm | 18:13 |
| aquatix | i just had an afternoon nap | 18:13 |
| lardman | mmm, swimming pool | 18:13 |
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| lardman | sorry, drifted off for a minute there | 18:13 |
| aquatix | hm, blue seas | 18:13 |
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| johnx | beer + beach :D | 18:14 |
| summatusmentis | johnx: you're missing a key component | 18:15 |
| qwerty12 | w33d | 18:15 |
| summatusmentis | beer + beach + babes | 18:15 |
| johnx | hmm? | 18:15 |
| summatusmentis | or what qwerty12 said | 18:15 |
| johnx | qwerty12, I've only got the 2 brain cells left...and I need both! | 18:15 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, I'm not so sure about this post: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=189189&postcount=136 - These were the instructions for Os2008 | 18:15 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 18:15 |
| qwerty12 | s/os2008/os2007/ | 18:16 |
| summatusmentis | the bot hates you | 18:16 |
| johnx | qwerty12, thanks for the heads up | 18:16 |
| johnx | I've been away from the forums for a couple days | 18:16 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, there are plenty of babes at shonan beach...it's a given :D | 18:17 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 18:17 |
| aquatix | ooh, japanese babes even? | 18:17 |
| johnx | aquatix, yes, in fact | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | Antartic babes? | 18:18 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: whuh? :) | 18:18 |
| johnx | notsomuch | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | aww | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctica | 18:19 |
| johnx | aquatix, google shonan fujisawa beach for proof :D | 18:19 |
| johnx | qwerty12, everyone knows Icelandic babes are better than Antarctic :P | 18:19 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: http://www.angelfire.com/sports/surfjapan/shonan.html | 18:19 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, I'll take your word for it :p | 18:20 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix, cool | 18:20 |
| lcuk | antartic babes are so hot, the sometimes show a bit of nose or fingertip | 18:20 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: hence my confusion :) | 18:20 |
| johnx | lcuk, yeah, briefly, before it freezes off | 18:20 |
| lardman | ~lart debian for overwriting patches. Rubbish! | 18:21 |
| * infobot nukes debian with a single large nuke for overwriting patches. Rubbish! | 18:21 | |
| lcuk | yer - could you ever see any of these bikini clad ladies risking losing body parts for you? | 18:21 |
| aquatix | ooh, Adelie Penguin chicks | 18:22 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, I took a look at those two packages sbc-svn and a2dpd and they seem fine to install but the script does wish to install libdbus which I would not recommend on OS2008. | 18:22 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: there you go, nude chicks | 18:22 |
| qwerty12 | Yea baby | 18:22 |
| johnx | qwerty12, yeah...I wasn't paying attention...I just posted quickly | 18:23 |
| johnx | I'll add a note | 18:23 |
| johnx | someone sounded like they wanted to write a nice howto so I decided to give them the benefit of the doubt :/ | 18:23 |
| qwerty12 | It's in all honesty, the OS2007 method. | 18:24 |
| aquatix | just noticed antarctica has domain .aq | 18:24 |
| qwerty12 | But I do like the idea of sbc-svn and a2dpd | 18:24 |
| * aquatix wants | 18:24 | |
| qwerty12 | We don't have those in OS2008, I'll recomple later | 18:24 |
| johnx | qwerty12, what does a2dpd do? | 18:25 |
| johnx | in the os2008 land I mean? | 18:25 |
| qwerty12 | It seems to be another method of providing a2dp, not sure on the details | 18:25 |
| johnx | right, it's the older, less optimized method | 18:25 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, it's worse, cancel that then, thanks | 18:25 |
| johnx | but I'm not even sure it will be able to work with a newer bluez | 18:26 |
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| qwerty12 | I'd be quite interested to see how it works but I guess that is my curious side. I think lardman is ftw | 18:28 |
| johnx | oh definitely | 18:28 |
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| johnx | this is the single biggest argument I've heard for caring about the dsp at all | 18:28 |
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| qwerty12 | Hell, I love having a Chinese knockoff headset that does decoding on the headset itself | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | My CPU is brilliant atm | 18:30 |
| johnx | qwerty12, on your n800?! | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | yes | 18:30 |
| johnx | O_o | 18:30 |
| johnx | uhm...I was 90% sure that didn't work | 18:31 |
| qwerty12 | Loadapplet is on 1 bar at the bottom | 18:31 |
| qwerty12 | Bluez 3.28 is more optimised though for A2dp though | 18:31 |
| johnx | what does mplayer say about its output? | 18:31 |
| johnx | is it claiming that the headset is actually decoding the audio? | 18:31 |
| qwerty12 | Dunno, I can't see anything to that effect | 18:32 |
| lardman | If someone is bored they could do some benchmarking of sbcenc using sw vs dsp | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | I got no errors when exiting mplayer too | 18:32 |
| lardman | the binaries for the dsp version are on the Garage page | 18:32 |
| johnx | woo! | 18:32 |
| * johnx downloads! | 18:32 | |
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| lardman | johnx: you'll want to grab a sw only version from bluez-utils-3.32 to compare against | 18:33 |
| lardman | note that there's lots of debug info coming out, so not optimised yet | 18:33 |
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| qwerty12 | I'm start to compile now. I'll start with bluez-libs/libbluetooth2 (why do debian/nokia insist on changing the names ?!?) | 18:35 |
| johnx | consistency in naming: all lib packages start with lib | 18:35 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, thanks | 18:36 |
| * qwerty12 hits my self over the head | 18:36 | |
| johnx | eh...some people don't like it. there are valid arguments on either side | 18:36 |
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| qwerty12 | It's an obvious thing, I feel stupid for not noticing. But I don't like it, I prefer original names | 18:37 |
| johnx | I would settle for a compromise: libbluez | 18:37 |
| johnx | but I think the actual lib file made by bluez is like libbluetooth.so.2 | 18:38 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, I can't believe I was so stupid and forgot; https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/connectivity/ | 18:38 |
| qwerty12 | I'm gonna repatch 3.32 for Nokia standards with their 3.28 release | 18:39 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, kerching! https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/connectivity/bluez-libs/tags/bluez-libs-3.32-0maemo1/ | 18:39 |
| lardman | ah, good stuff | 18:39 |
| qwerty12 | But what is https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/connectivity/bluez-libs-debian/tags/bluez-libs-debian-3.32-0maemo1/ ? | 18:40 |
| lardman | but is there still a problem with mplayer/asound? | 18:40 |
| qwerty12 | No idea, i'm gonna recompile everything :) | 18:40 |
| lardman | :) | 18:40 |
| lardman | sounds painful | 18:40 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, your sbc code is made for 3.32 right? | 18:41 |
| qwerty12 | (I am seriously p***** off for wasting my time "converting" a patch >.< :P) | 18:41 |
| lardman | yes | 18:42 |
| qwerty12 | Just got a few more stuff to checkout :) | 18:42 |
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| qwerty12 | Should I checkout mplayer trunk or latest tagged release? | 18:44 |
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| qwerty12 | wth, I'll go with trunk :) | 18:46 |
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| qwerty12 | Maybe other optimisations | 18:46 |
| johnx | qwerty12, you're going with the maemo-patched mplayer, right? | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | Yes | 18:46 |
| johnx | just making sure :) | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | I don't think I'd go far with normal mplayer :P | 18:46 |
| johnx | it would probably work | 18:47 |
| johnx | just ... slowly | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | I may as well go with trunk, trunk was updated 3wks ago compared to 7wks | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | I need to ask Bundyo for another rc2 release based on trunk or patch :/ | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | Aww, Nokia don't keep libasound in stage :( | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | I'm gonna have to patch it myself. Our tablets run .14 (same in chinook & diablo) but .16 is available | 18:50 |
| johnx | re-reading IcoNyx's "howto" which installs an old libdbus... | 18:52 |
| johnx | how is that easier than the first post I made in the thread? | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | It's not and in all honesty, all it is for is an old dbus | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | *old media player = kagu | 18:53 |
| johnx | and my instructions work with kagu :? | 18:53 |
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| johnx | anyways, I'll test lardman's sbc in a second and then right up a proper howto and probably do packages | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | I'm gonna do packages too, i'm recomping most of it :) | 18:54 |
| johnx | awesome! | 18:55 |
| johnx | I'll leave that to you | 18:55 |
| johnx | maybe I can find a way to programatically find which paired devices are a2dp headphones | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | Take a look in /var/lib/gconf/system/bluetooth as a start | 18:55 |
| * lardman hopes it works in real time ;) | 18:56 | |
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| johnx | interesting | 18:56 |
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| qwerty12 | Ok, is it worth it compiling a newer alsa or can I get away with recompiling the same one used in chinook and diablo? | 18:57 |
| johnx | same one is preferable I think | 18:57 |
| johnx | bug-for-bug compatibility and all that | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | yeah, I don't think anything bluetooth wise was fixed looking at changelgo | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | *changelog | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, so would I compile alsa first or bluez-libs first? | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | I'm gonna take a guess on alsa so that bluez-libs will recognise the alsa libraries | 19:00 |
| johnx | bluez-libs | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | damn | 19:00 |
| johnx | just a thought: are we sure libasound needs to be recompiled? | 19:00 |
| johnx | alsa stuff hasn't changed...unless I'm confused (known to happen) | 19:01 |
| qwerty12 | No idea, I'm just recompiling so that the alsa and newer bluez are in "sync" with each other | 19:01 |
| johnx | (thinking out loud) typically bluez-libs would be built *after* alsa IIRC, because bluez-libs depends on alsa, not the other way around | 19:03 |
| qwerty12 | if that's the case, then I'm on the right track. I'll do this: alsa <In progress>, bluez-libs, alsa again. | 19:03 |
| johnx | sooo...I would *assume* (heh) that asound doesn't need to be rebuilt | 19:03 |
| johnx | heh | 19:03 |
| johnx | your choice | 19:03 |
| qwerty12 | Can't lose like that :p | 19:03 |
| johnx | it should be a fast compile anyways | 19:04 |
| johnx | nothing like compiling X on a K6-2 250Mhz | 19:04 |
| aquatix | lol | 19:04 |
| johnx | or gnome 0.0.54 | 19:04 |
| johnx | or was it 0.54? | 19:04 |
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| * aquatix looks at his binary distribution on a c2d E8400 [3GHz] | 19:05 | |
| qwerty12 | Alsa just finished now :/ | 19:05 |
| aquatix | thing is practically picking its nose as fast as possible :) | 19:05 |
| johnx | "Why back in my day we had to hand-crank our compilers. and we liked it that way!" | 19:05 |
| aquatix | :) | 19:06 |
| aquatix | punch cards ftw | 19:06 |
| johnx | now, that was before my time actually :) | 19:06 |
| aquatix | long before mine too | 19:06 |
| qwerty12 | By a year? :p | 19:06 |
| aquatix | ghehe | 19:06 |
| summatusmentis | my mom used punch cards in college | 19:09 |
| johnx | so did my mom, I believe | 19:09 |
| johnx | my mom could out-program your mom :D | 19:09 |
| fysa | your mom goes to college | 19:10 |
| summatusmentis | probably, my screwed up loops constantly | 19:10 |
| summatusmentis | s/my/my mom/ | 19:10 |
| infobot | summatusmentis meant: probably, my mom screwed up loops constantly | 19:10 |
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| aquatix | i could make a very even s/up/in in that sentence, but i won't ;) | 19:11 |
| aquatix | s/even/evil | 19:11 |
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| aquatix | *sigh* | 19:11 |
| summatusmentis | fysa: I was expecting something more along the lines of "I punched your mom's cards" | 19:11 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 19:11 |
| summatusmentis | aquatix: :-D | 19:11 |
| johnx | "I'm in your computer lab, punchin' your cards" ? | 19:12 |
| fysa | haha | 19:12 |
| aquatix | ghehe | 19:12 |
| aquatix | reminds me | 19:12 |
| summatusmentis | urgh :) | 19:12 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, does the files in mk2/arm replace the ones in bluez-utils-3.32-0maemo1/sbc? | 19:12 |
| * aquatix clicks up icanhaz... | 19:12 | |
| johnx | yeah, it hurt to type that | 19:12 |
| lardman | qwerty12: yes | 19:12 |
| qwerty12 | thanks | 19:12 |
| lardman | looks like I might have managed a back-port to 3.20 | 19:13 |
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| lardman | see if it completes building or not | 19:13 |
| summatusmentis | johnx: you didn't even do it right... I'm in ur computer labz, punchin ur cardz | 19:13 |
| summatusmentis | nice try though :) | 19:13 |
| aquatix | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/06/08/funny-pictures-awesome-ninja-skills-i-has-dem/ | 19:13 |
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| AStorm | oooold | 19:14 |
| aquatix | mebbe | 19:14 |
| AStorm | squirrel and not cat? fail! | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | FE FI FO FUM, I WANT MY LOLCAT | 19:15 |
| aquatix | how did they take a picture of me? http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/06/04/funny-pictures-procrastinators-unite-tomorrow/ | 19:15 |
| AStorm | I'd love that, pity can't | 19:16 |
| aquatix | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/06/03/funny-pictures-ur-software-i-debugged-it/ | 19:17 |
| aquatix | that one is even smart-ish | 19:17 |
| * johnx got distracted looking up COBOL... | 19:18 | |
| aquatix | nerd :P | 19:18 |
| * aquatix hides | 19:18 | |
| johnx | yeah...that language looks seriously damaging in the long term | 19:18 |
| summatusmentis | Engineering students still have to learn Fortran at some schools | 19:18 |
| aquatix | johnx: true | 19:19 |
| aquatix | i only watch the pics | 19:19 |
| qwerty12 | LOLCODE ftw | 19:19 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: haet | 19:19 |
| qwerty12 | heh | 19:20 |
| lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/sbc/ might work, might not | 19:20 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, your sbc binaries aren't put into the debfile by any chance are they? | 19:20 |
| lardman | not sure if my back-porting works correctly - some flags have changed and I didn't look too hard | 19:20 |
| lardman | no, sorry | 19:20 |
| qwerty12 | no problems, should only take a second to repack :) | 19:20 |
| lardman | but there's a tarball in that dir too | 19:20 |
| qwerty12 | 3.32 compiles fine with your sbc code | 19:21 |
| qwerty12 | I've made deb files | 19:21 |
| lardman | you also need to add the task to the end of /lib/dsp/dsp_dld.conf | 19:21 |
| qwerty12 | I could do with help on that please later | 19:21 |
| lardman | well just add the following line: | 19:22 |
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| lardman | sbcenc<tab>_task_sbcenc<tab>1<tab>/lib/dsp/modules/sbcenc.o<tab>/lib/dsp/modules/sbcenc.cmd | 19:22 |
| qwerty12 | Thank you, I wouldn't have been able to figure out that one probably :/ | 19:23 |
| lardman | well it's pretty obvious when you look in the file, except for the second column as that depends on what I named the internals | 19:23 |
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| qwerty12 | johnx, btw, thanks for your preinst scripts in your a2dp deb, I used them in carwhisper to replace hcid.conf :) | 19:24 |
| * lardman goes to wash the cars, bbiab | 19:24 | |
| fysa | http://sachachua.com/wp/2008/05/08/geek-how-to-use-offlineimap-and-the-dovecot-mail-server-to-read-your-gmail-in-emacs-efficiently/ | 19:24 |
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| johnx | qwerty12, sure, glad it was helpful | 19:24 |
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| aquatix | fysa: somehow, that sounds rather geeky | 19:24 |
| johnx | just a little bit, though | 19:25 |
| fysa | maybe a good method to sync gmail imap for offline use | 19:25 |
| aquatix | whoa, written by a gal? | 19:25 |
| aquatix | neat | 19:25 |
| fysa | dovecot+offlineimap | 19:25 |
| fysa | 'local' imap server | 19:25 |
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| aquatix | hm, offlineimap syncs between two imap servers? | 19:26 |
| aquatix | interesting | 19:26 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, I've got bluez-libs, bluez-utils & alsa-lib (+plugins) compiled. I compiled alsa > bluez-libs > alsa again so that's covered. Now I got to recompile mplayer maemo from trunk | 19:27 |
| RST38h | qwerty,johnx,etc: all right, check out the latets Aggregator version | 19:29 |
| RST38h | (http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo) | 19:29 |
| RST38h | I think it is ripe enough to be announced at itt | 19:29 |
| qwerty12 | Brilliant, I love it | 19:29 |
| qwerty12 | Although maybe an option to only show the latest version may be nice? | 19:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | That border is still shifting the text. <_< | 19:30 |
| johnx | RST38h, it's nice...a sort by version thing would be really nice...and also, less dupes | 19:30 |
| johnx | in the list of harder things: a search algorithm that ranked results, so that things with "search term" in the title were higher than things with "search term" in the description | 19:31 |
| RST38h | sort is already done | 19:31 |
| RST38h | as to dupes, they come from different repos | 19:31 |
| aquatix | mpd is duplicated, for example | 19:31 |
| RST38h | what repos? | 19:31 |
| aquatix | ah | 19:32 |
| aquatix | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/libm/libmpd/libmpd0_0.12.0-1_armel.deb | 19:32 |
| aquatix | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/libm/libmpd/libmpd0_0.12.0-1_armel.deb | 19:32 |
| aquatix | i thought it was completely the same | 19:32 |
| aquatix | not quite so | 19:32 |
| aquatix | but still :) | 19:32 |
| RST38h | well, different repos - two entries | 19:32 |
| aquatix | yeah | 19:32 |
| aquatix | i didn't look good enough | 19:33 |
| aquatix | </noise> | 19:33 |
| * RST38h has seen this happen yesterday | 19:33 | |
| johnx | alright...same prob here I guess | 19:33 |
| RST38h | took a while to figure out that one package comes from repository and another from repostory | 19:33 |
| aquatix | btw, if you click on the link, the entry collapses again | 19:33 |
| RST38h | yea, I know =( | 19:33 |
| aquatix | always fun, those issues... | 19:34 |
| RST38h | there should be some way to prevent onclick from propagating to parent elements | 19:34 |
| RST38h | But I still don't know what way | 19:34 |
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| qwerty12 | lardman|afk, btw, if you catch this message, compiling 770 binaries may be initially pointless as the default mplayer for 770 OS2006 has alsa disabled | 19:34 |
| aquatix | javascript? | 19:34 |
| RST38h | yep | 19:34 |
| johnx | did you say there was a sort by version already? | 19:35 |
| RST38h | yes | 19:35 |
| aquatix | RST38h: in the a's onclick, do "javascript:return true();" | 19:35 |
| johnx | ok, nm, I see now | 19:35 |
| aquatix | does that help? | 19:35 |
| aquatix | or false | 19:35 |
| RST38h | I have ORDER BY Name ASC, Version DESC | 19:35 |
| RST38h | aquatix: lemme try | 19:35 |
| qwerty12 | Mplayer is taking ages to compile :( | 19:37 |
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| RST38h | no, does not work | 19:38 |
| aquatix | return false didn't help either? | 19:38 |
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| RST38h | found it | 19:41 |
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| qwerty12 | w00t! I've compiled everything, alsa, latest bluez with sbc and latest mplayer from trunk | 19:43 |
| RST38h | shit, it does not work | 19:43 |
| qwerty12 | I'm gonna modify the bluez-utils to set up sbc while I'm at it. | 19:44 |
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| qwerty12 | Ok, any one know a good place where I can dump deb files | 19:46 |
| johnx | qwerty12, how much bandwidth you planning to suck up? | 19:47 |
| qwerty12 | I just need to upload the stuff I compiled :) | 19:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | All of it. | 19:47 |
| johnx | qwerty12, dcc them to me. I'll put them up on sheeplauncher.net | 19:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not the sheep! | 19:48 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, offering web space? :P | 19:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. | 19:48 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, this could take a while, I'll just make an esnips account :) | 19:48 |
| johnx | qwerty12, aren't they all less than a meg? | 19:48 |
| qwerty12 | Mplayer is 2.2 MB | 19:49 |
| qwerty12 | (This is all the bluez and related stuff I compiled) | 19:49 |
| johnx | upload bluez first :D | 19:50 |
| qwerty12 | I need lardman around too :( | 19:50 |
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| * RST38h solved link-closes-on-download problem! | 19:50 | |
| RST38h | General: Here? | 19:50 |
| RST38h | General: check the Aggregator | 19:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, much better. | 19:52 |
| qwerty12 | motherfucking firefox 3 crashed while upload fucking piece of shit | 19:52 |
| johnx | qwerty12, so dcc it :P | 19:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | You really want to go maemo2-4? | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do people know what those actually correspond with? | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, it seems to be fine from a technical standpoint. | 19:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | My complaints now are all style related. ;) | 19:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like the arrow whose highlight rotates with it. :P | 19:55 |
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| qwerty12 | johnx, uploaded | 19:59 |
| summatusmentis | johnx: sheeplauncher.net is showing an account suspended... | 20:00 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, O_o | 20:01 |
| johnx | thanks | 20:01 |
| summatusmentis | sure thing | 20:01 |
| qwerty12 | johnx has been naughty and forgot to pay the bills :P | 20:01 |
| summatusmentis | FIX IT!!! | 20:01 |
| johnx | I think they actually forgot to bill me :/ | 20:01 |
| johnx | I had it set to automatically deduct ... and there is money in the account... | 20:02 |
| qwerty12 | That's a pretty stupid mistake of theirs >.< | 20:02 |
| johnx | yeah...they're "under new management" though | 20:02 |
| johnx | I guess they don't want to *take money that I offered to give them* | 20:02 |
| summatusmentis | I'll take it, if you need someplace ti giveit away to | 20:03 |
| summatusmentis | s/ti giveit/to give it/ | 20:03 |
| infobot | summatusmentis meant: I'll take it, if you need someplace to give it away to | 20:03 |
| qwerty12 | lol, me me! | 20:03 |
| johnx | ahaha | 20:03 |
| johnx | it's like $5/month :P | 20:03 |
| qwerty12 | I can get chicken wings for £2.50 with chips and coke! | 20:04 |
| johnx | and I'd expect web space and 5GB of transfer :P | 20:04 |
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| summatusmentis | tell you what, you pay me the $5/mo, leave allyour web settings the way they are, and I'll see what I can do about web space... you might not be able to see anything, but your stuff will be on the web | 20:05 |
| summatusmentis | it just won't be accessible | 20:05 |
| johnx | wow...they didn't even email me to tell me my account was canceled | 20:06 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, your plan sounds better and better :P | 20:06 |
| summatusmentis | johnx: it's fool proof, I'll even throw in a free gmail account | 20:07 |
| qwerty12 | I remeber the invites that used to go on ebay... | 20:08 |
| johnx | wow! for just 3 easy payments of $39.99? | 20:08 |
| summatusmentis | with _6GB_ of storage! | 20:08 |
| summatusmentis | no no, $5/mo | 20:08 |
| qwerty12 | Holy crap, sign me up! | 20:08 |
| johnx | heh...at least I didn't let them run my DNS too | 20:10 |
| johnx | time for a new host anyways | 20:10 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, I need lardman around but are dsp .cmd files generated on the fly? | 20:10 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, I see not | 20:11 |
| summatusmentis | johnx: who do you host w/? | 20:11 |
| qwerty12 | Uploading now... | 20:11 |
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| johnx | personalsites.org but they were absorbed by someone else who obviously doesn't care enough about my money to just take it | 20:11 |
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| RST38h | GA: the maemo2-4 thing - taken from gronmayer. may change it but it will require manual remapping | 20:18 |
| RST38h | GA: Arrows - give me better arrow images and I will put them in | 20:19 |
| RST38h | these are taken from wiki | 20:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think I can grab a decent sized one from OS X. If not, I'll just make one. | 20:19 |
| johnx | RST38h, is there a reason you're using maemo4 instead of OS2008, for example? | 20:19 |
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| RST38h | johnx: yes, it is the keyword used by gronmayer | 20:31 |
| RST38h | General: Please do - I need two of these and an InstallNow icon | 20:32 |
| RST38h | My skills are not good enough to draw 'em and I couldn't find good ones | 20:32 |
| johnx | but the actual buttons show "OS2008, OS2007, OS2006"... | 20:32 |
| RST38h | yea, I know | 20:32 |
| RST38h | actually, let us see if this can be changed... | 20:32 |
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| RST38h | <there will be an interruption of service for 5 minutes> | 20:34 |
| RST38h | done | 20:38 |
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| lardman | re | 20:38 |
| RST38h | 300ms ping sucks btw | 20:39 |
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| lardman | Well I've tried running mplayer with my recompiled bluez-utils-3.20, and I get an mplayer error | 20:59 |
| johnx | what's the error? | 21:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I'm gonna try my 3.32 :) | 21:00 |
| lardman | hang on, I'll do it over ssh so I can copy&paste | 21:00 |
| lardman | MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: ao2_init | 21:01 |
| johnx | hmm O_o | 21:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, n00b alert but do the executable files (sbcenc etc) go in /usr/bin or /lib/dsp/modules? | 21:02 |
| lardman | executables in /usr/bin | 21:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Thanks, i'm gonna try all this out now | 21:02 |
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| lardman | ah, segfault in the 3.20 version of sbcenc, so looks like something went wrong in the backport | 21:04 |
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| m-c | What's a good e-book reader for the NIT ? :) | 21:06 |
| * johnx sadly can't stay awake any longer | 21:06 | |
| johnx | m-c, fbreader | 21:07 |
| m-c | johnx: thanks! | 21:07 |
| lardman | sleep well johnx | 21:07 |
| johnx | thanks lardman. And congrats and thanks for the sbc encoder | 21:07 |
| johnx | I will take a much closer look when I wake up | 21:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | night johnx :) | 21:07 |
| lardman | np, night | 21:07 |
| johnx | 'night all | 21:08 |
| lardman | hmm, curious the segfault | 21:09 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, I've got bluez 3.32 and sbc set up so i'll reboot and see how it goes :) | 21:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Hmm, my build of mplayer wants libopenal 8-) | 21:15 |
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| lardman | :) | 21:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I'll have to recompile tommorow :) | 21:15 |
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| lardman | just going to put the car in the garage, back in a couple of mins | 21:15 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, dsp_dld died :/ | 21:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (standard mplayer from repos and bluez 3.32) | 21:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Open DSP device error = -1: falling back to SW method | 21:25 |
| lardman | uurgh | 21:26 |
| lardman | silly me, you have a different dsp kernel | 21:26 |
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| lcuk | 9888ijssszsssssscccccv\\\z\\\\||\ vcvvvbvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvcbbbbbbbbbbbnnbbbmmmmnnm,,,,,,,,......................l.ll;pl;[[]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]--00099899887755554333322111``azzdddddfddffffghghjhjkkkll;';/'## | 21:34 |
| lcuk | # | 21:34 |
| lcuk | :O oh shit | 21:34 |
| lcuk | sorry folks.. | 21:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yeh, i would be like that too :p | 21:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | re oh shit | 21:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | what was that anyway? | 21:35 |
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| inz | fell asleep on the keyboard and pressed enter while waking up? | 21:36 |
| lcuk | cleaning keyboard with a brush | 21:36 |
| inz | almost the same | 21:36 |
| lcuk | somewhere around i mustv popped this up cos it started on notepad | 21:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 21:36 |
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| Dekaritae | Where in the filesystem do apps get install | 21:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: ao2_init :/ | 21:47 |
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| pupnik | Dekaritae: various places | 21:48 |
| lardman | qwerty: I should have said that you don't need to reboot when you replace a module, only when you alter something in the dsp_dld*.conf file (and even then if you run dsp_dld again it will reload the file for you) | 21:48 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: Same error I had | 21:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, ah thanks for the info | 21:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :/ | 21:49 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: Do you have the sbcenc binary which was in one of my tarballs? | 21:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I have the one I compiled for 3.32 | 21:49 |
| Dekaritae | Trying to find where Pidgin will store sounds | 21:50 |
| lardman | cool, try running that - but give me a few min to tell you how - have to go help for a min | 21:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | heh :) | 21:50 |
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| pupnik | look in /usr/share/ Dekaritae | 21:51 |
| Dekaritae | Yay. /usr/share/sounds/purple | 21:53 |
| Dekaritae | That seems almost logical | 21:53 |
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| acydlord | greetings sirs | 21:55 |
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| pupnik | hola | 21:55 |
| lardman | ./sbcenc -s 4 -j sample.au > sample.sbc | 21:56 |
| lardman | I'll give you the .au and the correct .sbc | 21:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ok, thanks | 21:57 |
| lardman | both will be in the same url | 21:57 |
| lardman | as I gave you | 21:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ok | 21:57 |
| lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/public_html/nokia770/dsp/sbc | 21:58 |
| lardman | all ready to go | 21:58 |
| lardman | hopefully you won't get the segfault, I need to look into that - seems to be something to do with using the proper build process (as a guess) | 21:59 |
| lardman | supper time, let me know what happens :) | 21:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ok :) | 21:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ok, sbcenc died when I ran that command. did you make any updated binaries? | 22:01 |
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| dick-richardson | having sent my n810 in for repair, i'm wishing I hadn't sold the n800 | 22:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, (when you get back) ok, looking at the times, i see not. "sbcenc -s 4 -j ~/MyDocs/sample.au" "Segmentation fault (core dumped)", I've got the coredump available. With the diablo sbcenc.o and my bluez 3.32 and sbcenc for 3.32. | 22:11 |
| m-c | dick-richardson: they are pretty cheap and really useful - why not buy another? | 22:19 |
| acydlord | anyone know what width in pixels the display area of the browser is maximised in portrait mode? | 22:20 |
| dick-richardson | m-c: I'm looking, actually. just a used POS for around $100 would be really nice, but everything on ebay is days out | 22:20 |
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| dick-richardson | I'm actually fairly pleased with nokia support...and it appears they actually fix your device rather than just ship off a refurb...unfortunately that means no advanced rma :( | 22:21 |
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| lcuk | ebay has US n800 with 2 hours remaining for (ouch!) $207 | 22:23 |
| lcuk | and another 2 with 5 hours | 22:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~£105 isn't bad :/ | 22:23 |
| lcuk | but doesnt look like $100 is available | 22:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | acydlord, 480-scrollbar | 22:24 |
| acydlord | scrollbar pix are dependant on he theme, correct? | 22:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, in the UK. :P | 22:24 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, i agree with that, £100 does sound reasonable for a second machine | 22:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | In the US, they were under $200 NEW for a while. ;) | 22:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, I paid £170 for my n800 about 6/7 months ago :) | 22:25 |
| Dekaritae | I paid 89£ on Craiglist for an N800 | 22:25 |
| Dekaritae | Well, in CAD | 22:25 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, show us a link cos google isnt saying new for that price | 22:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it's discontinued. | 22:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can't get them new anymore. | 22:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | This was over the past 2-3 months. | 22:26 |
| lcuk | however i can get "Health Yourself Wobenzym N - 800 Tablets " for $87 :P | 22:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | I got a new N800 back in February for $180 | 22:26 |
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| lcuk | that sounds reasonable | 22:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, Hmm, I should get a Polish friend to translate, sounds like viagara :p | 22:27 |
| Dekaritae | I have too many gadget | 22:27 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: thanks for trying that | 22:27 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: was that the sbcenc from one of the tarballs on my webpage, or the one which you compiled when you compild bluez-utils? | 22:28 |
| MangoFusion | £100 for an n800? wow. | 22:28 |
| MangoFusion | does that include scratches? | 22:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, It's one of my binaries when compiling bluez-utils | 22:28 |
| lcuk | thats ebay prices and from the US, english ebay purchases are about £30 more from what i can see | 22:29 |
| lardman | ah ok, could you use the sbcenc from one of my tarballs please? | 22:29 |
| Dekaritae | She thought the screen was scratch, was why she was selling cheap | 22:29 |
| Dekaritae | The screen protector was scratched up | 22:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, sure thing | 22:29 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: e.g. the n800.tar.gz one | 22:29 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: strange, I compiled the ones in the tarballs with a single gcc command, but the ones compiled as part of the build process segfault | 22:29 |
| Dekaritae | Is another N800 on CL still | 22:29 |
| Dekaritae | http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/ele/705746572.html | 22:29 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: the only difference is that I #defined VERSION to get them to compile on a single line | 22:30 |
| MangoFusion | i remember that screen protector. evil. evil. | 22:30 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: bbiab | 22:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, hmm, bluez-utils compileing with odd cflags | 22:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | k | 22:30 |
| RST38h | Madman kill 7 in Akihabara! | 22:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | *? | 22:30 |
| RST38h | KILL, MADMAN, KILL! | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's what happens when you don't allow guns. | 22:31 |
| lcuk | what i am shocked about is some geezer is selling off n810s for $270/£137 | 22:31 |
| Dekaritae | There is N770 on CL for £57 | 22:31 |
| lcuk | *an 810 | 22:31 |
| Dekaritae | http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/sys/711275859.html | 22:31 |
| RST38h | Tomohiro Kato allegedly drove his rented van into a crowd of people, then jumped out stabbing more people, including those he'd already hit with the vehicle. | 22:31 |
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| RST38h | General: You mean, if you don't allow guns it unnecessarily complicates the massacre process? | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Over here, somebody would've shot him dead. | 22:32 |
| RST38h | Have to hit 'em with a vehicle, then finish 'em off with a knife - messy | 22:32 |
| lcuk | but shooting the driver doesnt stop his vehicle :( | 22:32 |
| RST38h | Prolly not. Having a gun != being ready to use it | 22:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, still segfaulting | 22:33 |
| RST38h | Besides, if he had a decent gun, he would not go offing people with his car | 22:33 |
| * lcuk shudders anyway at the thought of senseless violence | 22:33 | |
| * RST38h knows he would not | 22:33 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: Who said it was senseless? | 22:34 |
| MangoFusion | very rare from what i hear | 22:34 |
| RST38h | Given what I know of Japanese way of life, the episode makes perfect sense | 22:34 |
| dick-richardson | Out here in the midwest almost every household has a gun | 22:35 |
| RST38h | Maybe that is why I am reading of massacres weekly | 22:35 |
| dick-richardson | not out here | 22:35 |
| Dekaritae | I have crossbow | 22:36 |
| RST38h | Quiet US town. White guy with a gun. | 22:36 |
| RST38h | Too stupid to pull off the killdozer trick. | 22:36 |
| dick-richardson | not just white. native american and the 3 blacks that live in town have guns, too | 22:36 |
| RST38h | Well, half of DC population has guns (which btw are prohibited in DC) | 22:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | DC is a cess pool. | 22:37 |
| dick-richardson | yep. and the 1/2 that have them have demonstrated a criminal disposition | 22:37 |
| RST38h | But these guys do not massacre, they kill for their "reasons" | 22:37 |
| dick-richardson | NOT the kind of people you want to have guns :P | 22:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Law abiding people generally do not carry firearms where it's illegal. ;) | 22:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Criminals carry them wherever the hell they want. | 22:37 |
| dick-richardson | yep | 22:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I'd rather have the law abiding folks allowed to carry legally. | 22:38 |
| RST38h | The Korean chap who did the university thing - did he own his guns legally? | 22:38 |
| dick-richardson | low crime rate here. obviously more accidental gun deaths...but as heartless as it sounds it's generally darwinism at work | 22:38 |
| dick-richardson | some idiot shoots his friend out hunting and they put him on the news. Some incredibly uneducated moron who has to buy velcro boots...and then everyone in California laughs at the people that live out here :( | 22:39 |
| RST38h | dick: That will be Dick Cheney | 22:40 |
| dick-richardson | exactly | 22:40 |
| RST38h | A very costly idiot in terms of taxpayer money | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, handguns are a lot less lethal than knives. | 22:41 |
| RST38h | Mmm...doubtful | 22:41 |
| dick-richardson | generally | 22:41 |
| dick-richardson | range vs effectiveness | 22:41 |
| RST38h | Anyway, I kind of happen to live in places tightly packed with people and I would prefer them NOT to have handguns, legally or not | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | A. You have to hit them, which is no easy task with a handgun, B. If you do hit them, you have to actually hit them where it counts, which is harder still and C. A knife wound is much more dangerous than a 9mm wound. | 22:42 |
| RST38h | Believe me, it is very easy to hit people in a subway car | 22:43 |
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| dick-richardson | that's why hunters carry both. guns bring them down, knives finish them off | 22:43 |
| RST38h | Or on a street here | 22:43 |
| lcuk | does anyone run rotated xrandr ? | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, lots of people. | 22:44 |
| RST38h | 9mm Makarov, as measly as it is, will do just fine (and it has been proven) | 22:44 |
| lcuk | yer i know - has anyone got it on now.. | 22:44 |
| lcuk | or enough of a memory about it.. | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, 9mm has been known not to penetrate skulls at point-blank range. ;) | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, what's the question. :P | 22:44 |
| lcuk | im wondering whether the tearing direction is still along the widescreen edge or if its also rotated | 22:44 |
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| dick-richardson | i do enjoy off topic disussions here... open minded discourse | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's rotated. | 22:45 |
| RST38h | General: you do not need to penetrate skulls to wound people | 22:45 |
| lcuk | ok gen, ta | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, and handgun wounds are less fatal than knife wounds. | 22:45 |
| RST38h | General: In fact a high-powered air gun will do just fine | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | A high-powered airgun wont kill anybody. | 22:46 |
| RST38h | General: tell that to accidental victims | 22:46 |
| dick-richardson | I'm borrowing a friends hacked ipod touch...and to think I was worried I'd like it more than my n810 | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unless you get stupidly lucky. | 22:46 |
| RST38h | General: especially to ones who lost eyes, etc | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | dick-richardson, it's amazes me how some people think the things are so much better than the tablets. | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | The iPhone just manages to piss me off. | 22:46 |
| RST38h | It's not that I am against you having a gun, just don't want a lot of people with guns around me | 22:47 |
| dick-richardson | so does this thing...i'm giving it back | 22:47 |
| dick-richardson | RST38h: actually, you probably do...how many murders have occured at NRA conventions? | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | dick-richardson, you really want an exercise in frustration? Try posting to itT. | 22:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I nearly killed myself trying to do that on my mother's iPhone. | 22:47 |
| RST38h | dick: dunno. don't want to know. | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Zero. | 22:48 |
| RST38h | No, please, do not post on itt | 22:48 |
| RST38h | Not another iphone thread! | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, just because it's from an iTouch, doesn't mean it needs to be iTouch-related. :P | 22:48 |
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| dick-richardson | lol! they are rather ridiculous...i'll never understand them. "let's go to an ITT forum and brag about the iphone" | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | He could, for instance, post how awesome VGBA is from the iTouch. ;) | 22:49 |
| RST38h | I am basically fine about every overweight republican-voting, jesus-loving 50+ white amecan having a gun | 22:49 |
| RST38h | and this covers 99% of NRA | 22:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, bullshit | 22:49 |
| dick-richardson | HAHA! | 22:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have you ever actually talked to an NRA member? | 22:49 |
| RST38h | The problem is that once you start allowing guns you can't segregate by these arbitrary conditions | 22:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I agree. | 22:50 |
| RST38h | General: Dunno, haven't checked | 22:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, don't make stupid assumptions then. ;) | 22:50 |
| dick-richardson | it just takes a belief that the average person is good | 22:50 |
| RST38h | Average person is NOT good | 22:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, good enough. ;) | 22:51 |
| dick-richardson | I disagree | 22:51 |
| RST38h | In fact, I can relax your condition and it will still be untrue | 22:51 |
| RST38h | "It takes a belief that the average person is socially adequate" | 22:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably depends a lot on where you're from and where you grew up. | 22:52 |
| RST38h | And no, it is not true, especially not in the US | 22:52 |
| dick-richardson | that's not relaxed | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, have you even been here? | 22:52 |
| RST38h | Maybe in Japan where they are all raised in uniform conditions | 22:52 |
| RST38h | General: I lived in US for 10+ ears and expect to return there | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, the US is a big goddamn place. | 22:52 |
| dick-richardson | may I ask what region | 22:52 |
| dick-richardson | ? | 22:52 |
| RST38h | DC/MD/VA area | 22:53 |
| dick-richardson | not to disparage it, but...DC? | 22:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | DC is a shithole | 22:53 |
| dick-richardson | damn | 22:53 |
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| RST38h | Exactly | 22:53 |
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| RST38h | And Baltimore isn't much better really | 22:53 |
| Blafasel | Okay, let's see who comes up with the Google Streetview link first. | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't extrapolate experience in that area to the rest of the country. ;) | 22:53 |
| dick-richardson | yes, please | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | DC is a shithole, Baltimore is a shithole. | 22:54 |
| RST38h | General: You mean, in other states you can expect every person to be socially adequate? | 22:54 |
| dick-richardson | not every ... most | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | DC and Baltimore are well bellow the norm. | 22:54 |
| dick-richardson | over 1/2 | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | DC especially. | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | As it's filled to the brim with ever sort of criminal imaginable. | 22:54 |
| RST38h | They are just fucked up in a certain way | 22:54 |
| RST38h | DC? | 22:55 |
| RST38h | Well, I guess you have somewhat pessimistic picture of DC | 22:55 |
| dick-richardson | take my midwest example | 22:55 |
| dick-richardson | we have idiots and criminals | 22:55 |
| RST38h | It is a shithole, just not that deep | 22:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's the capital where all the politicians live | 22:55 |
| RST38h | There are four quarters too | 22:55 |
| dick-richardson | but they are the exceptioni | 22:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | it's the deepest of the deep. | 22:56 |
| RST38h | Politicians live in the west | 22:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, work. | 22:56 |
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| RST38h | Our black friends live in the east | 22:56 |
| RST38h | Drug dealers basically live in NE and work in SE | 22:56 |
| dick-richardson | The east is fine...DC is pretty...er...tough | 22:56 |
| RST38h | Midwest? Populated by people who REALLY think that horned, hooved, red-skinned Satan exists and he is out to get them? | 22:57 |
| RST38h | And you want to give them guns? | 22:57 |
| dick-richardson | there's a different can of worms...but I will say that those people are generally socially responsible | 22:58 |
| dick-richardson | which is the main criteria in our gun example | 22:58 |
| Blafasel | Responsible, unless you try to date their daughters? =) | 22:59 |
| dick-richardson | well, er... | 22:59 |
| dick-richardson | got nothin | 22:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, stereotypes. | 22:59 |
| Blafasel | Sure, this whole discussion so far was about them, no? | 23:00 |
| Blafasel | (And I was kidding anyway) | 23:00 |
| dick-richardson | I was with ya...thought it was funny | 23:00 |
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| dick-richardson | I love the midwest stereotypes...just always confused about how they got confused with the west virginian stereotypes | 23:01 |
| RST38h | dick: They are socially responsible until somebody makes them think you are the Satan | 23:01 |
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| RST38h | well, west virginians is all I have as a reference | 23:01 |
| dick-richardson | they're not that stupid | 23:01 |
| dick-richardson | again *generally | 23:02 |
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| RST38h | only takes a few, with automatic weapons | 23:02 |
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| dick-richardson | they don't get far surrounded by good people with automatic weapons | 23:02 |
| dick-richardson | saves us money on a trial, too | 23:02 |
| RST38h | I kinda doubt it | 23:02 |
| pupnik | vtech was a 'gun free zone' | 23:03 |
| RST38h | there wasn't a single us massacre prevented by "good people with automatic weapons" | 23:03 |
| dick-richardson | because good people aren't allowed to have automatic weapons | 23:03 |
| RST38h | oh | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 23:03 |
| inz | dick, bad people are? | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | A helluva lot of bad people are | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | A large number of them in the BATF | 23:04 |
| pupnik | hehe | 23:04 |
| pupnik | zing | 23:04 |
| dick-richardson | inz: of course not...but criminals aren't worried about breaking the law | 23:04 |
| * RST38h would like to avoid getting between these good and bad people | 23:05 | |
| dick-richardson | RST38h: get a farm | 23:05 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: Oh. Thanks. Strange | 23:05 |
| RST38h | dick: sheeep? noooo | 23:05 |
| dick-richardson | just need a solid pair of velcro gloves | 23:06 |
| dick-richardson | "honest officer, I was trying to help it through the fence" | 23:06 |
| Blafasel | I'm not in any position to judge the effectiveness of this "Right for arms", but I do wonder why it comes up as a basic right quite often, even when lots of countries do fine without it. | 23:06 |
| * RST38h will not ask what for | 23:06 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, my bluez may be messed up, connecting the headset in the low quality mono mode crashes hcid >.< | 23:06 |
| RST38h | to avoid reinforcing his stereotypes about midwest | 23:06 |
| dick-richardson | Blafasel: like the swiss? | 23:06 |
| Navi | YAY, crashing | 23:07 |
| dick-richardson | RST38h: yeah, sorry :( | 23:07 |
| Blafasel | dick-richardson: Yeah. Answering my question with a bad example doesn't help ;) | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because the right to protect yourself is a basic human right. | 23:07 |
| dick-richardson | how so? | 23:07 |
| Blafasel | dick-richardson: Actually I worked there for quite some time. I'm not sure if they are allowed to carry weapons. They do take their (automatic) rifle home during military service, though | 23:08 |
| RST38h | General: Currently, do you have a right to protect yourself against a police officer? | 23:08 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: perhaps, but the standalone sbcenc should work fine | 23:08 |
| dick-richardson | Blafasel: I know...I've been there. crime was is quite low | 23:08 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: it doesn't use anything outside except for the sbcenc.o dsp task | 23:08 |
| dick-richardson | RST38h: no...you have an obligation to do so | 23:08 |
| Blafasel | dick-richardson: I'd bet that this is unrelated to the military rifles, but I cannot back that up. | 23:08 |
| RST38h | dick: Well, whatever your obligation is, the law basically says that you have to comply with whatever officer says | 23:09 |
| Navi | RST38h, cool, you have an A+B touch screen area | 23:09 |
| RST38h | Navi: yep | 23:09 |
| Navi | Now we just need it for NES :3 | 23:09 |
| lardman | Blafasel: I thought that they had a proportionally higher firearms suicide rate due to that reason | 23:09 |
| RST38h | NES has it | 23:10 |
| RST38h | latest revision | 23:10 |
| Navi | Has it been released? | 23:10 |
| RST38h | yep | 23:10 |
| Navi | Oh | 23:10 |
| RST38h | check Extras | 23:10 |
| Blafasel | GA: Protecting oneself is a basic right and that's the same in every (civilized for this special definition of it) country. Some allow guns, some don't - but I still can kill someone with a knife in self-defense here. | 23:10 |
| Blafasel | lardman: Actually I think I remember something like that as well, yes. | 23:10 |
| RST38h | Blafasel: And you are still fucked if you try to protect yourself against a police officer | 23:10 |
| Blafasel | lardman: But switzerland allows euthanasie (what do you call it in english) anyway | 23:10 |
| RST38h | Even if he is not compliant or borderly compliant with the law | 23:11 |
| Navi | I only know some martial arts for unarmed combat :( | 23:11 |
| dick-richardson | you don't have to do anything an officer says...that equals slavery. An officer cannot ask you to stop breathing, for example | 23:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, hmm, I disabled sbcenc to test if sbcenc was messing up hcid, & sbcenc says "Open DSP device error = -1: falling back to SW method" but it segfaults and dies *straight* after that | 23:11 |
| dick-richardson | or to come over and wash his clothes | 23:11 |
| RST38h | dick: He can, although a court may later punish him for that | 23:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Blafasel, but can your grandmother protect herself with a knife? | 23:11 |
| RST38h | Won't make any difference to you though | 23:11 |
| lardman | Blafasel: But no car crime :) not sure if it's related to the chaps wandering about in fatigues with a duffel bag & automatic weapon waiting to go on their 2 week exercises though ;) | 23:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | The nice thing about guns is that they're the great equalizer. Pretty much anybody can use them. | 23:12 |
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| dick-richardson | RST38h: so then, are you to oblige? | 23:12 |
| RST38h | dick: well, if you do not, he may force you to do so | 23:12 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: yeah, the DSP isn't causing the problem, it's something on the ARM side | 23:12 |
| RST38h | General: yea...make it usable by any idiot and only idiots will | 23:12 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: I get something similar, and when run through mplayer I can see in dmesg that the DSP has started up and immediately been shut down | 23:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, brb, need to reboot, my n800 doesn't like reloading dsp_dld >.< | 23:12 |
| RST38h | General: which is pretty much what we observe in the US news | 23:12 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: k | 23:13 |
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| RST38h | General: Equalizing one's angst with that of people around him | 23:13 |
| Navi | RST38h, I have 3.6 and the check for updates dealie doesn't show it as an update | 23:13 |
| RST38h | Navi: Download .deb from here: http://fms.komkon.org/iNES/ | 23:14 |
| Blafasel | GA: I have problems if "GrandMas" (again, stereotypes) are allowed to keep their driving license. Let's not start talking about guns here.. | 23:14 |
| RST38h | Blafasel: and blondes too! | 23:14 |
| RST38h | Don't forget the blondes | 23:14 |
| lardman | lol | 23:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, did you ever read Unintended Consequences? | 23:14 |
| dick-richardson | and that's a problem with US stereotypes. What skin color are we? What are our beliefs? We're all angry? | 23:15 |
| dick-richardson | Which news stations are you watching? Not mine, obviously | 23:15 |
| Blafasel | Actually my comment was more pointed at at the sexless eldery stereotype, not grandmas as 'old women' | 23:15 |
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| lardman | More gun crime in the US than over here; Guns are bad QED? ;) | 23:16 |
| dick-richardson | Um no | 23:16 |
| lardman | that's probably already been covered, if so just ignore me | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol, lardman. <_< | 23:17 |
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| dick-richardson | you have to take it state by state | 23:17 |
| lardman | median level then? | 23:17 |
| dick-richardson | because gun crime is (obviously) statistically higher where guns are outlawed | 23:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm hoping that was a joke, anyway. | 23:17 |
| lardman | how does that work? | 23:17 |
| lardman | crimes with guns / total crimes * 100 = percentage of crimes with guns | 23:18 |
| dick-richardson | exactly | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not a meaningful statistic. | 23:18 |
| lardman | that's what I was thinking anyway | 23:18 |
| Navi | RST38h, nope | 23:18 |
| dick-richardson | more laws outlawing guns = more gun crimes | 23:19 |
| lcuk | any legal use of a gun is not considered gun crime even though there are more gun toting cowboys around | 23:19 |
| Navi | Mega Man releases his charge shot when he jumps | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Look at your crimes with knives and blunt objects. Especially petty crime over in the UK. :P | 23:19 |
| dick-richardson | as well as, as I've said, when guns are outlawed only criminals have them | 23:19 |
| lardman | dick-richardson: we ban guns, we have less gun crime | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | You have more petty crime | 23:19 |
| RST38h | Navi: download and install deb from there | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | and more violent crime with other weapons. | 23:19 |
| dick-richardson | lardman: yes, because you have much tighter control over supply | 23:19 |
| Navi | RST38h, did | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | The result is a net negative effect. | 23:19 |
| Navi | and Mega Man release his charge shot when he jumps | 23:20 |
| RST38h | Navi: does A+B area show up in the cues? | 23:20 |
| Navi | No | 23:20 |
| lardman | dick-richardson: well that'm my point, a gun is inherently dangerous | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | It helps when you're an island | 23:20 |
| RST38h | General: UK is a special case | 23:20 |
| dick-richardson | lardman: a gun is a tool, nothing more | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | and not huge and sharing lots of borders. | 23:20 |
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| lcuk | i would prefer to have less overall crime, but also if i am gonna be mugged i'd rather be whacked on the head with a bat or knived a bit than be shot | 23:20 |
| RST38h | General: they just like knive fights | 23:20 |
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| dick-richardson | lardman: unless you'll agree that knives are inherently dangerous | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you're more likely to die from a knife wound than a handgun wound. | 23:20 |
| lardman | dick-richardson: but less so | 23:20 |
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| RST38h | General: same as Russians like sticking each other with kitchen knives after a night of drinking | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, blame it on the football? :D | 23:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, i read that one | 23:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | You Russians are crazy :p | 23:21 |
| RST38h | General: No idea, although they ARE NOT fighting each other with footballs | 23:21 |
| * lcuk thinks the whole topic is disgusting anyway | 23:21 | |
| RST38h | qwerty: it is not endemic to Russians. Finns like the same thing afaik | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it's a gut-level emotional reaction that carries little logic. ;) | 23:22 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Must be the weather or something | 23:22 |
| lardman | The question really is what is the per-capita murder rate | 23:22 |
| dick-richardson | lardman: anyway, I didn't make that statistic up: http://www.soros.org/initiatives/justice/articles_publications/publications/gun_report_20000401 | 23:22 |
| lcuk | drunk more likely | 23:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, heh, I quite like it | 23:22 |
| Navi | RST38h, it doesn't have the A+B area in the cues | 23:22 |
| RST38h | Navi: Then I may need to release a new version | 23:22 |
| Navi | Mmk | 23:23 |
| Navi | Woo, new version | 23:23 |
| lardman | Anyway, moving away from guns | 23:23 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: I'll try to track down what's causing the segfault tomorrow | 23:23 |
| Navi | If you move away from guns, I'll shoot you. | 23:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, cool | 23:23 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: Sorry you can't play with it today :( | 23:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, don't be :) | 23:24 |
| lardman | Navi: That's ok, I've got a knife somewhere here ;) | 23:24 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | dsp_dld is odd on diablo. running it again says "Can't open /lib/dsp/dsp_dld.conf" so I move dsp_dld_avs.conf to dsp_dld.conf and I get "EXMAP failed" & "error in loading .mem!!" + no sound on reboot | 23:25 |
| pH5 | qwerty12_N800: look inside /etc/init.d/dsp-init, you can give a parameter to dsp_dld so it looks for the conf file in a certain place. | 23:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | pH5, Thanks, looking now | 23:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I won't modify it but it shall be useful to know so I can reaload it, | 23:27 |
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| lcuk | since we have been flying wayyyyyy offtopic tonight, anyone understand this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7442644.stm i thought safe deposit boxes were...safe? | 23:29 |
| lardman|hiding | qwerty12_N800: symlink the two | 23:30 |
| lardman|hiding | qwerty12_N800: leave the original and symlink to the one it expects if not given an arg | 23:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman|hiding, come out of hiding have we? but I've already done that | 23:31 |
| Dekaritae | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZw1lCPVbtY | 23:31 |
| GAN800 | https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Fast_Server <_< | 23:33 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: need a court order to search them | 23:40 |
| lcuk | ALL of them? | 23:40 |
| RST38h | lcuk: but once "proper formalities" are observed, no problem searching them | 23:41 |
| lcuk | i understand the need to search specific ones | 23:41 |
| RST38h | lcuk: well, it depends on what judge has allowed | 23:41 |
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| lcuk | but they closed the entire centre and are just seaqrching the job lot | 23:41 |
| RST38h | maybe they only searched a few | 23:41 |
| RST38h | known ones | 23:41 |
| lcuk | actually 3 deposit centres | 23:42 |
| RST38h | somehow this does not surprise me | 23:42 |
| lcuk | if it was only specifics, then it wouldnt be news | 23:42 |
| RST38h | This is much funnier though: Weak US Dollar Means Nintendo Favors Europe For Now | 23:43 |
| Navi | That's why we need teh new iNES emu :DDD | 23:45 |
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| lcuk | speak for yourself :P euro Wii is amazing | 23:45 |
| lcuk | although we still cant get wii fit | 23:45 |
| Navi | hah | 23:46 |
| Navi | Wii Fit is all over the place here | 23:46 |
| Navi | no one buys it | 23:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | get it chipped | 23:46 |
| * qwerty12_N800 walks away whistling | 23:46 | |
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| RST38h | It is interesting how large electronics companies (Apple, Nintendo) started using the scarcity scheme | 23:46 |
| lcuk | get what chipped? the wii - nooo we have had this for ages (got it when they first went on sale) | 23:46 |
| Navi | It's fun | 23:46 |
| Blafasel | RST38h: The best slashdot comment on that was something like "I expected to read 'Weak US Dollar Means Nintentdo FavoUrs Europe For Now'" ;-) | 23:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, yeh the wii, heh my friend needs to replace his chip | 23:47 |
| RST38h | Blafasel: ;))) | 23:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | his keeps starting up in Japanese | 23:47 |
| RST38h | Blafasel: in aluminIum casing! | 23:48 |
| Navi | Pfft, don't support the drive mods :/ | 23:48 |
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| Blafasel | RST38h: Hey, that's the right german spelling as well. *hides* | 23:48 |
| RST38h | Blafasel: I have found late in my life that the american spelling is aluminum | 23:50 |
| Blafasel | RST38h: Yep. I didn't know that for ages as well. The former is correct here and I didn't even know that there's a different spelling anywhere | 23:50 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I just got that. 0.0 | 23:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Woo aluminum! | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just think of all the money saved on replacement keyboards and time in the aluminum industry not having to type those extra characters. :P | 23:53 |
| Navi | woo | 23:54 |
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| RST38h | GA: Not to mention the U key | 23:58 |
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