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| GeneralAntilles | Later, Jaffa. | 00:22 |
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| dougt | fennec w/ geolocation: | 00:28 |
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| dougt | see: http://people.mozilla.org/~dougt/geo.html | 00:29 |
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| RST38h | GA: I have got icons working | 00:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Looks good | 00:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too bad they're so tiny. :P | 00:42 |
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| RST38h | well, gotta have something | 00:43 |
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| RST38h | Weird how few people actually supply icons to the installer... | 00:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, you undead yet? | 00:49 |
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| fysa | tmobile internet getting 10kbytes/sec | 01:25 |
| fysa | wife shopping in nine west for shoes. thank god for NIT. | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 01:27 |
| gnuSnob | tell her to shop for shoes on NIT on drive home :) | 01:28 |
| gnuSnob | that way you can bail | 01:28 |
| lardman | night all | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'night, lardman. | 01:29 |
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| fysa | fast enough for soma.fm stream at 48k aac. need to try SIP. | 01:31 |
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| fysa | and no contract 'flexpay'. would be better if i could ditch the phone ;) | 01:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I hate that mall. | 01:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too bad there's no Apple Store in there you could leach wifi off of. :P | 01:33 |
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| fysa | which mall? | 01:34 |
| fysa | which mall? tyrone? | 01:34 |
| fysa | whoops | 01:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nine West is in West Shore, isn't it? | 01:34 |
| fysa | ah. in clearwater just left the beach | 01:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Aha | 01:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, still, Apple Store with free wifi would be nice. ;) | 01:35 |
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| jeroin_ | shall i go shopping with your wife?:) | 01:39 |
| fysa | but yeah, i like intnl | 01:39 |
| fysa | but yeah, i like intnl mall better. lots of wifi | 01:39 |
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| fysa | xchat is bugging out | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid finger keyboard retardation. | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a lot better in Diablo, but even so, still pretty terrible. :\ | 01:40 |
| fysa | hittinh enter on thumbboard gives focus to spacebar? of stylus keyboard | 01:40 |
| jeroin | life is tough | 01:40 |
| jeroin | ;p | 01:40 |
| fysa | so i have to touch xchat window --- 3 taps for enter | 01:41 |
| jeroin | nono, you need to shop with your wife:) | 01:41 |
| fysa | :) | 01:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | My routine in Chinook xchat was always "dpad center to bring up finger keyboard, enter text, press return on finger keyboard, hope it sends, doesn't send, tap text field to bring up vkb, tap vkb enter" | 01:41 |
| jeroin | duty calls! | 01:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | On Diablo, it's mostly the same, except you can actually bring up the finger keyboard with your thumb and it actually sends from the finger keyboard about half the time. | 01:42 |
| jeroin | that sounds like its a lot better in Diablo, but even so, still pretty terrible. | 01:43 |
| jeroin | *g* | 01:44 |
| jeroin | i just type it out... also sucks ofcourse | 01:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's really rather sad that they haven't managed to get virtual text input anywhere close to right in almost 3 years. | 01:44 |
| jeroin | i'm surprised it works at all, and that people actually use such | 01:45 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: GeneralAntilles! :P | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you: rm_you, rm_you! :P | 01:45 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: ONE thing left | 01:46 |
| rm_you | and then I can release beta 0.9 | 01:46 |
| rm_you | like... one line of code left | 01:46 |
| rm_you | just need to figure out how to write it | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Very carefully | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Try the autobuilder this time? | 01:47 |
| jeroin | keep your trojans out pls;) | 01:47 |
| rm_you | heh, autobuilder? | 01:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, X-Fade sent you the link earlier. | 01:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Extras assistant | 01:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php | 01:48 |
| rm_you | why do I want to use that? | 01:48 |
| jeroin | one day i'm gonna be so pissed off with the nit keyboard i'll buy a bt keyboard and begone w/it ofcourse then might as well have bought a full mini-laptop.. | 01:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | To test its awesomeness, rm_you. | 01:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | and so the server can do the compiling work for you. | 01:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, http://extras-cauldron.garage.maemo.org/HOWTO.html | 01:51 |
| rm_you | lol one thing at a time | 01:51 |
| rm_you | getting this working first | 01:51 |
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| rm_you | someone: If I have an array like: "char* themes[5]" | 01:52 |
| rm_you | and I have a dirent struct that contains a "char* d_name" | 01:53 |
| rm_you | can I just do "themes[0] = direntobject->d_name" | 01:53 |
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| rm_you | or will that break? do I need to use a string copy or something to copy it in? | 01:54 |
| lcuk | no | 01:54 |
| lcuk | the actual memory will be reused by the directory functions for the next file | 01:54 |
| rm_you | i know I saw a command that copies it | 01:54 |
| lcuk | i believe | 01:54 |
| rm_you | but i forgot what it is... | 01:54 |
| lcuk | strdup( | 01:54 |
| lcuk | strndup( | 01:54 |
| rm_you | RIGHT | 01:54 |
| rm_you | thanks | 01:54 |
| lcuk | make sure you free it afterwards | 01:54 |
| rm_you | ? | 01:55 |
| rm_you | which | 01:55 |
| lcuk | the string you copy | 01:55 |
| lcuk | calling strdup is the same as | 01:55 |
| rm_you | themes[0]=strdup(direndobject->d_name); | 01:55 |
| rm_you | what do i free there? | 01:55 |
| lcuk | char *strdup(char *indat){ char *buf=malloc(strlen(indat)); memcpy(...); } | 01:55 |
| lcuk | at the end when you have finished with your array list, you must free up all allocated items | 01:56 |
| rm_you | ok | 01:56 |
| rm_you | I return it somewhere... so after I use it, can i just do "free(themes)"? | 01:56 |
| lcuk | while(--used>=0) free( themes[used--] ); | 01:56 |
| rm_you | or do i have to loop through and free all | 01:56 |
| rm_you | ah | 01:56 |
| rm_you | k | 01:56 |
| lcuk | no, free each used element in the themes array | 01:56 |
| lcuk | are you using the themes[] array for the duration of your form onscreen? | 01:57 |
| lcuk | or is it used and freed all within a single function | 01:57 |
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| rm_you | i return the array to another function, where I use it to fill a combobox, after which I believe it is done | 01:58 |
| rm_you | how do I get the size of the array in my other function? | 01:59 |
| lcuk | hmmm, why not just fill the combo whilst parsing the dir? | 01:59 |
| rm_you | need to sort | 01:59 |
| lcuk | you cannot easily, passing arrays around usually requires adding a final NULL element to indicate end up useful data | 01:59 |
| rm_you | which I'm getting to still | 01:59 |
| lcuk | way off to the side: visual basic has a sorted combo box? doesnt gtk? | 02:00 |
| rm_you | errr | 02:00 |
| rm_you | don't think so? | 02:00 |
| rm_you | but I was planning on using a mergesort-esque technique | 02:00 |
| rm_you | since I have one array, and I'm pulling things off one by one and inserting them into another | 02:01 |
| rm_you | I can do a binary search for the appropriate spot in the new array and then shove the next one in there | 02:01 |
| lcuk | hmmm | 02:02 |
| lcuk | or you could use a proper sort and just flip the pointers in the existing array | 02:02 |
| rm_you | ahh | 02:02 |
| rm_you | i can set a model for it i think | 02:02 |
| lcuk | model for the combo sort order? | 02:03 |
| rm_you | dunno | 02:03 |
| rm_you | it uses a GtkTreeModel | 02:03 |
| rm_you | so I assume it can be set up to do sorting? | 02:03 |
| rm_you | yeah | 02:04 |
| rm_you | GtkTreeSortable | 02:04 |
| lcuk | not sure, the sorting is just a hunch - i know if i was making a user control which takes a list i'd make it sortable | 02:04 |
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| rm_you | http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable//GtkTreeModelSort.html | 02:04 |
| lcuk | cool, so you just negated the arrays totally, :) if it works strip them out of your code and keep it nice and simple :) | 02:05 |
| rm_you | heh | 02:05 |
| rm_you | this is horrible | 02:05 |
| * rm_you is a GTK *and* a C newbie | 02:05 | |
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| rm_you | if I at least knew ONE of the two, it would be awesome... | 02:06 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: the things I do because of you... | 02:06 |
| lcuk | ive make exactly 1 form in GTK and 1 form in python :) | 02:06 |
| lcuk | made * | 02:06 |
| lcuk | mthe c i learnt on my amiga has come flooding back though :) | 02:07 |
| rm_you | heh | 02:07 |
| * GeneralAntilles is such a horrible person. | 02:07 | |
| lcuk | now, ive got a dateline to write | 02:07 |
| * lcuk agrees :P | 02:07 | |
| rm_you | I took C++ in highschool, and college was entirely Java, minus one C++ class that was totally lame | 02:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't blame me because you were the first sucker to fall for my line. :P | 02:07 |
| rm_you | there WAS a C class but my AP credit from highschool C++ got me out of it >_< | 02:08 |
| lcuk | i loved c++, but i onmly ever wrote console apps in it | 02:08 |
| rm_you | same | 02:08 |
| lcuk | at college the only thing which looked reasonable was vb.. | 02:08 |
| rm_you | ick :/ | 02:08 |
| rm_you | doing VB now for work... it makes me squirm | 02:08 |
| lcuk | :) | 02:08 |
| lcuk | vb can be nice but for the stigma | 02:08 |
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| lcuk | im as fast with vb in windows as i am with c now, its all down to what api you have around and if any problem can be solved | 02:09 |
| rm_you | it seems to be a prototyping language | 02:09 |
| rm_you | using it for more than that might be weird :/ | 02:09 |
| lcuk | not at all, it can do some great stuff | 02:09 |
| lcuk | its got intel compiler behind it and if you stay away from strings its fast | 02:10 |
| lcuk | ms * | 02:10 |
| * rm_you is using VB6 | 02:10 | |
| lcuk | yer me to - vb.shit blows serious chunks - its at least 5x slower | 02:11 |
| lcuk | anyway, its weekend | 02:11 |
| * lcuk stubs out vb and picks up touch based c :) | 02:12 | |
| rm_you | :P | 02:12 |
| lopz | re | 02:14 |
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| jdiaz | hi | 02:16 |
| jdiaz | anyone tried GNU screen for maemo? | 02:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lots and lots | 02:17 |
| jdiaz | I'm also a big fand of screen, and I was deligthed to see it has been ported | 02:18 |
| jdiaz | however... | 02:18 |
| jdiaz | did you manage the backspace to work? | 02:18 |
| rm_you | hrm, i appear to have unmatched { | 02:21 |
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| rm_you | wtf | 02:26 |
| rm_you | advanced-backlight.c:386: warning: ISO C forbids nested functions | 02:26 |
| rm_you | I'M NOT MISSING ANY BRACKETS | 02:26 |
| rm_you | I have three functions in a row... this one is the middle one... | 02:26 |
| rm_you | if I comment it out, the top and bottom one don't produce that warning | 02:26 |
| rm_you | so the problem must be in the middle one? | 02:26 |
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| jdiaz | not missing braces? sure? | 02:27 |
| rm_you | very sure | 02:27 |
| jdiaz | any macro? | 02:27 |
| rm_you | no missing { } [ ] ( ) | 02:27 |
| rm_you | no | 02:27 |
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| jdiaz | unclosed comments? | 02:27 |
| rm_you | no | 02:27 |
| jdiaz | quotes? | 02:27 |
| rm_you | nope | 02:27 |
| jdiaz | can you paste the code somewhere? | 02:27 |
| rm_you | already doing so | 02:28 |
| rm_you | http://pastebin.ca/1040835 | 02:28 |
| rm_you | wait a minute | 02:29 |
| jdiaz | --pedantic-errors ? | 02:29 |
| rm_you | got it | 02:29 |
| rm_you | the site I was reading dirent tutorial stuff from was wrong | 02:29 |
| rm_you | they have the * in the wrong place on DIR and dirent declarations | 02:29 |
| rm_you | >_< | 02:30 |
| jdiaz | anyway, just for curiosity | 02:30 |
| jdiaz | which line produced the error? | 02:31 |
| jdiaz | (pastebin line number) | 02:31 |
| rm_you | 01 | 02:31 |
| rm_you | that was what was confusing me | 02:31 |
| lcuk | it was 3 and 4 as you said rm, the * was after (always goes b4) | 02:31 |
| rm_you | yes | 02:31 |
| rm_you | *I* know that, but the site I was reading had them after | 02:32 |
| lcuk | hmmm at odd syntax capture by the compiler though | 02:32 |
| rm_you | thats what I get for blindly following guides | 02:32 |
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| rm_you | wow and they declared dirent wrong | 02:33 |
| rm_you | has to be "struct dirent *de" | 02:33 |
| lcuk | you lookin at the one i pasted | 02:33 |
| jdiaz | mmm | 02:34 |
| rm_you | no | 02:34 |
| rm_you | some other site | 02:34 |
| jdiaz | still do not understand what was thinking the compiler | 02:34 |
| lcuk | it thought a function pointer declaration had begun | 02:34 |
| lcuk | void (*hello)(); is normal syntax | 02:34 |
| lcuk | thats the only thing i can think of? | 02:35 |
| jdiaz | very odd... | 02:35 |
| jdiaz | I tried to reproduce the error with a minimal program | 02:35 |
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| jdiaz | main() { int i*; printf("%d\n", i); } | 02:36 |
| jdiaz | but I got more adequate errors | 02:36 |
| jdiaz | error: syntax error before #*# token | 02:36 |
| jdiaz | error: syntax error before '*' token | 02:36 |
| rm_you | the errors I got were: | 02:36 |
| rm_you | yes i got "advanced-backlight.c:386: error: syntax error before '*' token" | 02:37 |
| mgedmin | i*? it's spelled *i | 02:37 |
| rm_you | but 386 == pastebin like 01 | 02:37 |
| rm_you | *line | 02:37 |
| rm_you | and there was a * on that line, in the correct place | 02:37 |
| lcuk | what line number did it corrospond to | 02:37 |
| rm_you | 386 corresponded to pastebin line 01 | 02:37 |
| jdiaz | mgedmin, I know. I was trying to see what are the compiler errors/warnigns when written as i* | 02:38 |
| lcuk | any chance you did other edits before reaching fixing that one, or are you in an intelligent ide | 02:38 |
| * mgedmin is hunting memory leaks | 02:38 | |
| lcuk | i normally have to adjust line numbers after a few quick edits | 02:38 |
| lcuk | ooooer mg | 02:38 |
| mgedmin | in python | 02:38 |
| lcuk | gulp! | 02:38 |
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| mgedmin | by drawing limited object graphs and looking for objects that shouldn't keep references to other objects | 02:38 |
| rm_you | is VIM an intelligent IDE? :P | 02:38 |
| mgedmin | massive fun | 02:38 |
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| * mgedmin loves graphviz | 02:39 | |
| jdiaz | rm_you, I've got your error about nesting functions with my minimal program, if I use --pedantic-errors compiler option | 02:39 |
| lcuk | i just read the code and note whats been got and not got | 02:39 |
| rm_you | *I* think VIM is intelligent, but i don't think it fits your description | 02:39 |
| lcuk | is it reproducable | 02:39 |
| rm_you | ah right | 02:39 |
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| rm_you | my makefile has -pedantic in its CFLAGS | 02:39 |
| lcuk | rm, never used it, i just use Komodo edit in windows and compile from the command line - ive gotta manually match up error line numbers with actual errors in the file | 02:40 |
| rm_you | :( | 02:40 |
| jdiaz | he was the culprit | 02:40 |
| lcuk | if i have a few warnings to cure i generally effect the line count slightly | 02:40 |
| lcuk | bi rnm the error was real | 02:41 |
| lcuk | WOT | 02:41 |
| lcuk | try again.. | 02:41 |
| lcuk | no rm the error was real | 02:41 |
| * mgedmin wonders if lcuk uses a version control system | 02:41 | |
| * lcuk puts fingers back on home keys | 02:41 | |
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| rm_you | i know... and since I suck at C, I leave it on pedantic and don't allow ANY warnings through, as I figure the compiler is smarter than I am and warning in my case generally means something bad will happen | 02:42 |
| lcuk | no, but i back up every night onto multiple devices and have dailies going back to day 1 | 02:42 |
| ds3 | does gcc -E show anything? | 02:42 |
| ds3 | sometimes stupid macros do bad things | 02:42 |
| lcuk | good rm, keep it that way, now you fixed the problem - does it sort your list? | 02:42 |
| rm_you | no, i hadnt included sorting yet | 02:42 |
| rm_you | it' | 02:42 |
| mgedmin | lcuk: you know that subversion is available natively on the tablets, right? | 02:42 |
| rm_you | it's unsorted currently | 02:43 |
| rm_you | now moving to do the sorting | 02:43 |
| jdiaz | rm_you, it is enough to cure all waringns using -Wall, imho | 02:43 |
| lcuk | ds3, the compiler gave him a proper error about syntax, we are discussing something thats sorted now and doesnt matter.. | 02:43 |
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| lcuk | mgedmin, :) i did yes, but at this point im happy with how i manage it | 02:44 |
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| * mgedmin was happy walking on foot until he learned to drive | 02:44 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 02:44 |
| lcuk | thats a damned good analogy | 02:45 |
| * lcuk raises a cup of earl grey | 02:45 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Too hot for tea. | 02:45 |
| rm_you | mmm, perfect temp for tea in WA | 02:45 |
| lcuk | its fecking freezing here, ill drink molten lead if i have to | 02:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Woo, 33°C outside, 34°C inside. | 02:46 |
| lcuk | quick question: should i break my tradition and do a sideways scroller? | 02:46 |
| lcuk | im thinking about a real timeline | 02:46 |
| jdiaz | ga, did you answered before that you use screen on maemo? | 02:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | jdiaz, I don't use it, no. | 02:46 |
| rm_you | I do | 02:47 |
| jdiaz | ah, ok ga. I misunderstood you | 02:47 |
| jdiaz | rm_you, does the backspace key works for you? | 02:47 |
| rm_you | err | 02:47 |
| rm_you | dunno about on the tablet | 02:47 |
| rm_you | i only really SSH into it | 02:47 |
| rm_you | <_< | 02:47 |
| jdiaz | yes, over ssh it works | 02:47 |
| lcuk | with screen i can just shift cursor onto tablet and type and click can't i | 02:47 |
| rm_you | last time i opened a terminal ON the device was like.... 5 months ago | 02:47 |
| jdiaz | could you try it on the tablet? | 02:47 |
| rm_you | yeah it fails | 02:48 |
| rm_you | use ctrl-h | 02:48 |
| rm_you | :P | 02:48 |
| jdiaz | no, I've found a better workaround | 02:48 |
| rm_you | i use maemo-hackers xterm on os2008, so ctrl isn't horrible anymore | 02:48 |
| rm_you | ? | 02:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Diablo xterm is a big improvement. | 02:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, screen isn't vnc. :P http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 | 02:49 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: new beta... ready for it? | 02:49 |
| jdiaz | only was curious about whether it was a general failure | 02:49 |
| * GeneralAntilles cowers. | 02:49 | |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: you will need to shift some stuff around | 02:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Uh, yeah, sure. . . . | 02:50 |
| jdiaz | or a local one, due to my rx-44 tampering | 02:50 |
| lcuk | no, i know that, the pointer jumps across space and into the other devices configured | 02:50 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: ok, create a new folder "Default" in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/40x40/apps/adv-backlight | 02:50 |
| rm_you | and move all the original png icons in there | 02:50 |
| rm_you | and then create a folder LCARS | 02:50 |
| jdiaz | rm_you, you may find useful to add the following line to your .screenrc | 02:51 |
| rm_you | and put all the LCARS icons in there in there | 02:51 |
| jdiaz | bindkey '\000' stuff '\010' | 02:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Weird . . . I've had a dryer sheet in my shirt all day and hadn't noticed. :\ | 02:51 |
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| rm_you | LOL | 02:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too darn hot. . . . | 02:51 |
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| rm_you | bindkey '\000' stuff '\010' | 02:52 |
| rm_you | "stuff"? | 02:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh | 02:52 |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't want to move icons around. | 02:52 | |
| jdiaz | bindkey -d '\000' stuff '\010' | 02:52 |
| jdiaz | i forgot the "-d" | 02:52 |
| jdiaz | stuff is a "verb", I assume that means "insert the following string" | 02:53 |
| rm_you | not working | 02:53 |
| jdiaz | in short: when receiving an ASCII NULL from input, insert an ASCII ^H | 02:53 |
| rm_you | put that in .screenrc? | 02:53 |
| jdiaz | yes | 02:53 |
| jdiaz | oh, sorry | 02:54 |
| jdiaz | double quotes | 02:54 |
| jdiaz | instead single ones | 02:54 |
| jdiaz | bindkey -d "\000" stuff "\010" | 02:54 |
| rm_you | nice | 02:54 |
| jdiaz | "\010" is octal for 8 | 02:55 |
| jdiaz | 8 is Ctrl-H | 02:55 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: got it? also note that your 1.1 png is broken | 02:55 |
| rm_you | I had to remake it | 02:55 |
| jdiaz | I wonder if ascii 128 would work too | 02:55 |
| jdiaz | how is the octal for 128? | 02:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Broken? | 02:55 |
| rm_you | its like... 44kb of random xml looking stuff | 02:55 |
| rm_you | instead of a png | 02:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Works fine here. . . . | 02:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just downloaded it. | 02:56 |
| rm_you | look in your tar | 02:56 |
| rm_you | adv-backlight-icon-1.1.png | 02:56 |
| rm_you | this is for LCARs | 02:56 |
| rm_you | sorry | 02:56 |
| rm_you | forgot to specify | 02:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I am. | 02:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's fine. :P | 02:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | But that's not important. | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, where's the .so! | 02:57 |
| rm_you | i redownloaded the tar just now | 02:57 |
| rm_you | same link as always GA | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | What, like I have that shit archived? Pffft | 02:57 |
| jdiaz | bindkey -d "\000" stuff "\177" also work | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | :P | 02:57 |
| jdiaz | works | 02:57 |
| rm_you | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/adv-backlight-icons-lcars.zip | 02:57 |
| rm_you | look at icon 1.1 | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, I thought you meant .so link. | 02:57 |
| rm_you | its like 100x the size | 02:57 |
| jdiaz | it translates ASCII NULL (\000) to backspace (\177 = 127) | 02:57 |
| rm_you | no, i did | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I just downloaded that ship. | 02:57 |
| rm_you | but i decided to show you this first | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/ship/zip/ | 02:57 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Yeah, I just downloaded that zip. | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Works fine. | 02:57 |
| rm_you | *look* | 02:58 |
| rm_you | at the size of 1.1 | 02:58 |
| rm_you | compared to the rest | 02:58 |
| rm_you | just look. | 02:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Looking, I see it's bigger | 02:58 |
| rm_you | it's borken | 02:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe it's saved as psd? | 02:58 |
| rm_you | photoshop couldnt open it | 02:58 |
| rm_you | said it was an invalid format | 02:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it's psd | 02:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's why | 02:59 |
| jdiaz | use file | 02:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | change the extension | 02:59 |
| rm_you | lol | 02:59 |
| rm_you | well, fix it | 02:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Preview didn't choke on it. | 02:59 |
| rm_you | everything in windows did, and the tablet did | 02:59 |
| rm_you | >_> | 02:59 |
| rm_you | psd is not a universally readable format :P | 02:59 |
| GAN800 | lol | 02:59 |
| rm_you | anyways | 03:00 |
| GAN800 | There goes the G5 | 03:00 |
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| rm_you | err lol i copied that out of my command line script | 03:00 |
| rm_you | just the first part :P | 03:01 |
| GAN800 | So hot. . . . | 03:01 |
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| GAN800 | OK, I don't have a Default icon selection and LCARS is using the default icons. | 03:04 |
| GAN800 | (and the settings button makes me lol :P) | 03:05 |
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| rm_you | yeah... NOT A MENU | 03:08 |
| rm_you | )@<)$_@($&CB()@&EYHDBI | 03:08 |
| rm_you | GAN800: did you move things like i told you? | 03:08 |
| GAN800 | I think so. | 03:08 |
| rm_you | in "/usr/share/icons/hicolor/40x40/apps/adv-backlight/" | 03:08 |
| rm_you | you should have two folders... "Default" and "LCARS" | 03:09 |
| GAN800 | oh, no, it works fine then. | 03:09 |
| rm_you | ? | 03:09 |
| GAN800 | I didn't unzip the zip, just moved the default set to LCARS | 03:09 |
| rm_you | lol | 03:09 |
| rm_you | >_< | 03:10 |
| rm_you | well, all this will be taken care of in the installation | 03:10 |
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| GAN800 | It's 95°F in here and I'm addled. | 03:10 |
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| rm_you | whats that command to make the package again? | 03:16 |
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| lcuk | ive just realised why im getting great battery performance | 03:29 |
| lcuk | when im not at home on wifi.. | 03:29 |
| GAN800 | You have a nuclear generator in you tablet? | 03:29 |
| GAN800 | s/you/your/2 | 03:30 |
| lcuk | no, i have acmonitor installed and it dims the screen for me | 03:30 |
| lcuk | when im out on battery the screen is dimmed 2 notches | 03:30 |
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| lcuk | i knocked it up earlier and drained the battery with no wifi | 03:31 |
| lcuk | ive not had it drain in my hand now for a few weeks | 03:31 |
| lcuk | mine was still running well into the night at linux tag even though i had been using it the entire day | 03:32 |
| lcuk | most others were slurping from wallwarts | 03:32 |
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| rm_you | GAN800: ok, test this package | 03:42 |
| rm_you | GAN800: do apt-get --purge remove advanced-backlight | 03:42 |
| rm_you | rm -rf /usr/share/icons/hicolor/40x40/apps/adv-backlight/ | 03:43 |
| rm_you | and then install the deb i'm about to link you | 03:43 |
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| GAN800 | ok | 03:46 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: I need to make a .install | 03:49 |
| rm_you | oh | 03:49 |
| rm_you | wait | 03:49 |
| rm_you | they have one | 03:49 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: can you take a new screenshot and update the screenshot file? | 03:54 |
| rm_you | and test this deb: | 03:54 |
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| rm_you | http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight_0.9-1_armel.deb | 03:55 |
| rm_you | anyone who wants to try the beta advanced-backlight, please do :P | 03:55 |
| rm_you | need feedback | 03:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Working fine | 03:57 |
| hans-castorp | has anyone ever used the "Easy" api for python? | 03:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | But the zero backlight at least needs the capitalization fixed. :P | 03:57 |
| rm_you | >_< | 03:57 |
| rm_you | what is with you and the capitalization? I like it that way | 03:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's ugly | 03:58 |
| rm_you | what's wrong with it that way? | 03:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | and there's no such thing as an "n800" | 03:58 |
| rm_you | what do you want it to be? | 03:58 |
| rm_you | ... | 03:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | What is it, AZB mode? | 03:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Allow zero backlight (N800 users beware!)" | 03:58 |
| rm_you | that's the 770 you're thinking of... there is too an n800 :P | 03:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, it's an N800. | 03:58 |
| rm_you | rofl | 03:58 |
| rm_you | fine | 03:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Settings are not titles. | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | So all works shouldn't be capitalized unless there's a good reason for it. | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like if "Allow Zero Backlight" was actually some sort of AZB mode. :P | 03:59 |
| rm_you | there | 04:00 |
| rm_you | a whole new revision for your capitalization >)< | 04:00 |
| rm_you | >_< | 04:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | You shoulda fixed it when I first told you to, then it wouldn't be an issue. :P | 04:00 |
| hans-castorp | i really have no idea where to begin with gstreamer | 04:00 |
| rm_you | http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight_0.9-2_armel.deb | 04:01 |
| rm_you | i want to get a couple more people to install and test it before I upload it to extras | 04:01 |
| lcuk | gnite :) | 04:01 |
| rm_you | lcuk: gah | 04:01 |
| hans-castorp | yo rm, you go to trinity? | 04:01 |
| rm_you | lcuk: test adv-backlight first :P | 04:01 |
| rm_you | hans-castorp: yes | 04:01 |
| lcuk | no | 04:01 |
| rm_you | k, night :P | 04:01 |
| lcuk | nite, hope its stable | 04:02 |
| hans-castorp | nice | 04:02 |
| rm_you | hans-castorp: you know people there / live near there? | 04:02 |
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| hans-castorp | i was going to go there, visited etc. i liked it alot | 04:02 |
| rm_you | didn't? :( | 04:02 |
| hans-castorp | nah, im in alabama | 04:02 |
| rm_you | heh | 04:02 |
| rm_you | woulda been cool to have more Maemo peoples :/ | 04:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, very good. | 04:03 |
| rm_you | I've been pushing it a lot, but few takers | 04:03 |
| hans-castorp | trinity is $$$$ | 04:03 |
| rm_you | yeah :/ | 04:03 |
| rm_you | i mean, i've been pushing Maemo a lot at trinity :P | 04:03 |
| rm_you | you a programmer? | 04:03 |
| hans-castorp | yeah. | 04:04 |
| hans-castorp | though new to maemo | 04:04 |
| rm_you | your school go to the ACM Regional programming competitions? | 04:04 |
| hans-castorp | yeah | 04:04 |
| rm_you | have a programming team? | 04:04 |
| rm_you | which region? | 04:04 |
| hans-castorp | we do | 04:04 |
| rm_you | is it South Central? | 04:04 |
| hans-castorp | dunno. i dont do it | 04:04 |
| rm_you | if you go, might see you there next year :) | 04:04 |
| hans-castorp | south east | 04:04 |
| rm_you | ah :( | 04:04 |
| hans-castorp | hmm. yeah too bad. | 04:05 |
| hans-castorp | i'm working on a python app to stream music from seeqpod | 04:05 |
| rm_you | oh, did you meet Dr. Lewis then? :P | 04:05 |
| rm_you | if you went to one of the visits | 04:05 |
| hans-castorp | hmm maybe | 04:06 |
| rm_you | been trying to get him to buy an N8x0 :P he has a Zaurus CL-5500, but he never used it :/ | 04:06 |
| hans-castorp | i go to the acm meetings | 04:06 |
| rm_you | he's basically the awesome | 04:06 |
| hans-castorp | yeah i've got a zaurus c1000 | 04:06 |
| rm_you | nice, i wanted one but by the time i had the money, n800 was too appealing | 04:06 |
| hans-castorp | using it as a server now though, nokia is more functional imo | 04:06 |
| rm_you | yeah | 04:06 |
| hans-castorp | well maybe not functional, but easier to use on the go | 04:06 |
| rm_you | i had a CL5500, but the battery died (like 99% of the rest of the people who had one) | 04:07 |
| hans-castorp | are the zaurii even made anymore? | 04:07 |
| rm_you | yeah, i think Sharp still makes em... | 04:08 |
| rm_you | well, the C3x00 series prolly | 04:08 |
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| rm_you | ah no | 04:09 |
| rm_you | according to Wikipedia, "In January 2007, it was reported that Sharp would discontinue production of the Zaurus line after February 2007." | 04:09 |
| hans-castorp | they're good machines. i've got apache, php, and mysql running several web apps and its rock solid | 04:09 |
| hans-castorp | and uses like 5 watts ;P | 04:10 |
| rm_you | yeah i wish I had a Cxx00 when they were actually new | 04:10 |
| rm_you | that would have rocked | 04:10 |
| rm_you | but alas, I was a poor highschool student at the time | 04:10 |
| hans-castorp | yeh me too. thanks daddy!! | 04:10 |
| rm_you | heh | 04:10 |
| rm_you | my parents are like "technology, wait what?" | 04:11 |
| rm_you | my father still calls me to ask how to check his email | 04:11 |
| hans-castorp | lol | 04:11 |
| rm_you | hans-castorp: test http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight_0.9-2_armel.deb | 04:12 |
| hans-castorp | yo. i'm running kde? | 04:12 |
| rm_you | ah lol | 04:12 |
| rm_you | might still work? >_> | 04:12 |
| rm_you | test! :P | 04:13 |
| * rm_you wants to know if it works | 04:13 | |
| hans-castorp | ok | 04:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | My dad has thankfully figured that out since he gets about 200 emails a day. | 04:14 |
| rm_you | heh | 04:14 |
| hans-castorp | home/user # dpkg -i advanced-backlight_0.9-2_armel.deb | 04:14 |
| hans-castorp | dpkg: `ldconfig' not found on PATH. | 04:14 |
| hans-castorp | dpkg: `start-stop-daemon' not found on PATH. | 04:14 |
| hans-castorp | dpkg: `install-info' not found on PATH. | 04:14 |
| hans-castorp | dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH. | 04:14 |
| hans-castorp | dpkg: 4 expected program(s) not found on PATH. | 04:14 |
| hans-castorp | NB: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin. | 04:14 |
| hans-castorp | just point him to gmail or something | 04:14 |
| hans-castorp | iwant to get a mail server up and running on my zaurus. for kicks | 04:15 |
| rm_you | he IS using gmail | 04:15 |
| hans-castorp | lol | 04:16 |
| rm_you | he couldnt find the icon i made him on his desktop :/ | 04:16 |
| rm_you | hans-castorp: err | 04:16 |
| rm_you | hans-castorp: you're using your nokia device, right? :P | 04:16 |
| rm_you | lol | 04:16 |
| hans-castorp | yeah | 04:16 |
| rm_you | ldconfig!? | 04:16 |
| hans-castorp | just downloaded to /home/user | 04:17 |
| hans-castorp | was root | 04:17 |
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| hans-castorp | dpkg -i thedeb | 04:17 |
| rm_you | <_< | 04:17 |
| hans-castorp | i'm in kde | 04:17 |
| rm_you | is kde like.. | 04:17 |
| rm_you | based on debian? | 04:17 |
| rm_you | like, using johnx' debian or something? | 04:17 |
| hans-castorp | yeah it is just a desktop manager. i have debian installed, u want me to try it in that? | 04:17 |
| rm_you | no | 04:17 |
| rm_you | I thought KDE just went on top of ITOS2008 | 04:18 |
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| rm_you | apparently not | 04:18 |
| hans-castorp | i really dont know what penguinbait did to make it work | 04:18 |
| rm_you | is there a "preinstall"? | 04:18 |
| rm_you | theres a postinstall... | 04:18 |
| hans-castorp | i'll try it later in hildon see if it makes a difference | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, you should be on the list to edit the Downloads entry. | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | See if you can. | 04:19 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: what? | 04:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | You wanted more screenshots for that, right? | 04:20 |
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| rm_you | I was talking about the ITT forum post | 04:23 |
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| rm_you | the old screenshot doesnt have the settings button | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/adv-backlight-screeshot3.jpg you can add to it. | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | The other's been updated. | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha . . . 6 lines of thanks. | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is 0.9 in Extras yet? | 04:26 |
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| Deka | 'sup | 04:30 |
| hans-castorp | yo | 04:32 |
| hans-castorp | has anyone used the "Easy" api for python on maemo? | 04:33 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: my extras broke again >_> | 04:34 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: same error | 04:34 |
| rm_you | dunno wtf | 04:34 |
| rm_you | nm works now | 04:35 |
| rm_you | random | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 04:35 |
| rm_you | ok should be in the repo | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | * New LCARS icon set. | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | * Settings dialog. | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | ** Icons set selection. | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | ** Option disallow (or allow) turning off the backlight. | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | * Hardware key support (brightness is left/right, volume is up/down and close is escape). | 04:36 |
| rm_you | will take time to propogate | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sound right? | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also, link to .install? | 04:36 |
| rm_you | did that | 04:36 |
| rm_you | look at the page | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did what, updated the Downloads entry? | 04:37 |
| rm_you | no, the forum post | 04:37 |
| rm_you | wtf do you keep babbling about | 04:37 |
| rm_you | lol | 04:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | The entry on maemo Downloads. | 04:37 |
| rm_you | we have one? | 04:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I added one a few weeks ago. | 04:38 |
| hans-castorp | has anyone used gstreamer? | 04:38 |
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| rm_you | how do i get to that | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://maemo.org/downloads/product/ff9dd6ec2c0211dd91ec9b6c02e556895689.html | 04:41 |
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| rm_you | wtf category is it | 04:41 |
| rm_you | why isnt it Desktop Environment? | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | It is. . . . | 04:41 |
| rm_you | ah multiple pages | 04:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | <_< | 04:42 |
| rm_you | you already fix it? | 04:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 04:43 |
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| rm_you | we need a wiki page | 04:44 |
| GAN800 | For what? | 04:44 |
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| rm_you | cool | 04:48 |
| rm_you | looks good | 04:48 |
| * rm_you sits back and takes a breather | 04:48 | |
| hans-castorp | ah | 04:48 |
| Deka | Ok I have a reset loop | 05:00 |
| Deka | The blue bar gets halfway across and then starts over again | 05:01 |
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| Deka | I took the battery out to reset and it is still in the reset loop | 05:04 |
| hans-castorp | weird | 05:04 |
| Deka | How do I do a safe reset | 05:05 |
| hans-castorp | can u do shutdown -r ? | 05:05 |
| Deka | I do not get beyond the NOKIA screen | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | On what? | 05:05 |
| Deka | N800 | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Chinook? | 05:06 |
| hans-castorp | wow. what did u do to it :P | 05:06 |
| Deka | Tried USB keyboard. Keyboard worked fine for a few hours, unplugging it causes the reboot | 05:06 |
| Deka | Yes, Chinook 4.0 | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, the mostly likely story is that you did something. | 05:07 |
| Anunakin | Any... how I can setup R&D mode on my N810, a pre hacked to have dual boot? | 05:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why do you want it, Anunakin? | 05:07 |
| Anunakin | to try with the qemu emulator... | 05:07 |
| Deka | I know I did something. I don't know how to undid it | 05:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Deka, do you have fanoush's initfs installed? | 05:08 |
| Deka | I do not know that that is therefore no | 05:08 |
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| hans-castorp | deka what were u working on? | 05:09 |
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| Deka | Was using the USB-Control application and Chat with a USB keyboard | 05:09 |
| hans-castorp | well shit, i wish there was a verbose boot | 05:09 |
| Deka | Just need to know how to boot in safe mode | 05:10 |
| hans-castorp | yeah i dunno | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Your first step shoud've been to install fanoush's initfs so you can get usbnet and ssh/telnet without having to boot the rootfs. ;) | 05:11 |
| hans-castorp | how can he install that in a boot loop? | 05:11 |
| Deka | Where was this documented? | 05:11 |
| hans-castorp | but yeah, that would make it easier | 05:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Deka, a variety of places. | 05:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | I may have the jffs2 image somewhere. | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, I do have the jffs2 image which you can flash with the flasher tool in Linux | 05:12 |
| hans-castorp | maemo has crashed on me quite a few times, and i've been pretty f'in rough with it, but ive never had the problem u have had. i would submit it as a bug | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Few disclaimers, anything that happens I can not be held responsible for. ;) | 05:12 |
| acydlord | I have an exciting weekend ahead of me, i think i'm gonna make greasmoneky scripts for my most visited sites so they will fit in portrait mode | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | hans-castorp, I wouldn't. | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no bug material there. Nothing reproducible. | 05:13 |
| Deka | Ehn. I haven't backed up crap | 05:13 |
| hans-castorp | yeah good call | 05:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, flash this initfs image http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/initfs.new.jffs2.zip | 05:14 |
| Deka | Can I flash from Cygwin? | 05:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Uh | 05:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Windows | 05:14 |
| Deka | Vista | 05:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, you could try, I suppose. | 05:14 |
| acydlord | it's doable | 05:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | But you'll have to figure that bit out on your own. | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol . . . Vista | 05:16 |
| * GeneralAntilles shakes head. | 05:16 | |
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| hans-castorp | lol | 05:16 |
| acydlord | i have my windows7 beta on my coffee table | 05:17 |
| acydlord | probably shouldnt be using msdn perks as coasters | 05:17 |
| hans-castorp | how is it? | 05:17 |
| Deka | I know. But work has applications that will not run on XP | 05:17 |
| acydlord | it is absorbant =x | 05:17 |
| hans-castorp | very nice | 05:17 |
| Deka | Which in retrospect is a bit ironic | 05:18 |
| hans-castorp | lulz | 05:18 |
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| acydlord | tis quiet in here now | 05:31 |
| Dekaritae | We are solving problems | 05:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Who is the idiot editing the wiki from the 70.x.x.x IP? | 05:40 |
| Dekaritae | I don't wiki | 05:42 |
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| hans-castorp | what did they put? | 05:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid nonsense in the brainstorm page | 05:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where it really doesn't belong anyway. | 05:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stuff like "A "council" is a lousy way to run a website. Put someone in charge." under the Community Council heading. | 05:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | This is my favorite: http://wiki.maemo.org/100Days#Enable_Account_Registration | 05:47 |
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| hans-castorp | lol | 05:52 |
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| zerosum | hi | 06:01 |
| zerosum | can anyone help me get python 2.5 on my n800? | 06:01 |
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| GAN800 | zerosum, did you ever flash OS2008 | 06:05 |
| zerosum | yes | 06:05 |
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| zerosum | any idea what RD mode is? | 06:07 |
| GAN800 | not important | 06:07 |
| GAN800 | Just install something that depends on Python. | 06:07 |
| GAN800 | Like Canola. | 06:08 |
| zerosum | cool so it download dependceces? | 06:09 |
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| zerosum | thanks that did it | 06:13 |
| zerosum | 2.5.2 | 06:13 |
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| hans-castorp | yeo whats up | 06:35 |
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| hans-castorp | anyone used gstreamer? | 07:12 |
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| RCrack | hey guys | 07:16 |
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| WorkingOnWise | is there something wrong with all maemo repos that I cant dl any updates? | 07:24 |
| hans-castorp | werd | 07:25 |
| hans-castorp | i dunno | 07:25 |
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| WorkingOnWise | yeah, I know. i can update the catalogs, but if I pick anything from updates or from installable, it fails to dl. I can surf, dl and install debs, everything, but not from the pkg manager. | 07:28 |
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| GAN800 | Your internal card is corrupted. Format it. | 07:35 |
| WorkingOnWise | GAN800: nooooooooooooo. dont say it! | 07:37 |
| WorkingOnWise | how can I prevent that from happening again? | 07:37 |
| GAN800 | N810? | 07:38 |
| WorkingOnWise | N800, OS 2008, booting off an 8GB SDHC card | 07:38 |
| GAN800 | Variety of ways it become corrupted. | 07:39 |
| GAN800 | FAT isn't known for its robustness. | 07:39 |
| GAN800 | It's just the FAT partition, so there's ni need to nuke the whole card. | 07:39 |
| WorkingOnWise | so I can pop it into my xp laptop and format the fat partition? | 07:40 |
| GAN800 | or just fsck it. | 07:41 |
| WorkingOnWise | i dont remember, is fsck in OS2008? | 07:42 |
| GAN800 | I don't recall offhand, I'd save time thinking about it and just do it from the laptop. ;) | 07:42 |
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| stimpy_the_cat | Does anyone have experience with gtk_text_view and has time to help with what I hope is a simple question? | 07:52 |
| acydlord | anyone have a good theme/background to use with rotate? | 07:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no theme that supports 480x800 | 07:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's not really a theme-level issue, anyway. | 07:57 |
| zap | GeneralAntilles: do you actually sleep sometimes? | 07:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Frequently, why? | 07:58 |
| zap | well I find you here answering questions 24/7 :) | 07:58 |
| acydlord | i guess it mostly is the background i'm using that makes my theme look like crap | 07:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, I slept this morning from 2 to 11. | 07:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Schedule just isn't very regular lately. | 07:58 |
| acydlord | so whats a good background size? | 07:59 |
| acydlord | my sleep schedule is all over the place | 07:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | When you're only taking 9 hours and 6 of those are online, you can afford to sleep when you feel like it. :P | 08:00 |
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| WorkingOnWise | GAN800: I have the same troubles in the OS2008 that is in flash. | 08:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Application manager caches to mmc2 | 08:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | and doesn't fail gracefully if mmc2 is set read-only (as it is in the case of corruption) | 08:02 |
| WorkingOnWise | even in the flash installed OS? | 08:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | See, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2797 | 08:03 |
| WorkingOnWise | ok ty | 08:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | It doesn't matter where you're booting from. | 08:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | It caches to whatever is mmc2. | 08:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is generally the first FAT partition on the internal card. | 08:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | The quick-fix is to just remove the card. ;) | 08:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | The real fix is to fix the corrupted partition. | 08:04 |
| WorkingOnWise | lol...I just was asking that :) | 08:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a stupid bug | 08:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | and at the very least, it should give you a real error message | 08:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, it is what it is. . . . | 08:04 |
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| WorkingOnWise | I dont have a linux box anymore. so I have to redo my partitions on the card to fix this then right? no fsck in the tablet... | 08:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pop it in the XP machine and run checkdisk on the card. | 08:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm assuming it'll pick up the FAT partition. | 08:05 |
| WorkingOnWise | cool. hopefully Vista will too. | 08:05 |
| WorkingOnWise | thanks. | 08:05 |
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| summatusmentis | there's a way to format FAT onto a card from w/in maemo isn't there? | 08:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | No guarantees, though, I haven't paid a lick of attention to anything newer than 98 in at least 3 years. | 08:06 |
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| WorkingOnWise | I'm still chained to them, but hey, I got all their flagship desktop stuff for free at least! | 08:07 |
| WorkingOnWise | yay. Vista sees it. lets see if it can fix it now.... | 08:10 |
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| WorkingOnWise | now I see why I could never get 3GB of maps onto my tablet. the folder is on the fat partition and its only 256MB! | 08:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 08:20 |
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| WorkingOnWise | i wish there were better error messages! I spent 16 hours 3 times trying to get the maps! | 08:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | <_< | 08:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo Mapper I'm assuming? | 08:23 |
| WorkingOnWise | yup | 08:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?atid=185&group_id=29&func=browse | 08:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | File a bug if there isn't already one. | 08:24 |
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| WorkingOnWise | bed time for me. I'll see in the am if its ok. thanks. and I'll look into the mapper bug too. gn | 08:31 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: do... assistanty stuff | 09:01 |
| rm_you | prioritize TODOs | 09:01 |
| rm_you | :P | 09:02 |
| johnx | first: build in a web browser | 09:02 |
| rm_you | johnx: lol | 09:02 |
| johnx | if you can embed widgets, embed a gtkhtml view :) | 09:02 |
| rm_you | ... technically possible | 09:02 |
| * rm_you adds a "john" button that expands the box out with a web pane | 09:02 | |
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| johnx | but really, what are the TODOs? | 09:04 |
| GAN800 | ^ | 09:04 |
| rm_you | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16531 | 09:05 |
| GAN800 | TODO: Fix GA's AC. | 09:05 |
| fysa | anyone here mess with android? | 09:05 |
| * rm_you looks at johnx | 09:05 | |
| johnx | fysa, yeah, on the zaurus | 09:05 |
| johnx | GA, bring me a beer and you can sit in the AC here all day :D | 09:06 |
| * rm_you would totally do that if that was all it took to sit around there :P | 09:06 | |
| GAN800 | TODO: Buy GA a plane ticket to Japan. | 09:06 |
| GAN800 | I'll fill all my luggage with Cheerios. :P | 09:07 |
| johnx | fysa, gonna try and get it working on the n8x0? | 09:07 |
| johnx | GAN800, woo! | 09:07 |
| johnx | done deal | 09:07 |
| rm_you | johnx: you install the new Advbacklight applet yet? | 09:07 |
| fysa | I've been following the Android Internals group and seems to be close to a kernel flash and a partition/untar if you're using bootmenu. | 09:07 |
| GAN800 | rm_you, volume beep is what I would focus on next. | 09:07 |
| fysa | to get 'up to speed' anyway. | 09:07 |
| johnx | rm_you, I don't really use adv backlight O_o | 09:07 |
| rm_you | johnx: :) | 09:08 |
| rm_you | s/)/O/ | 09:08 |
| infobot | rm_you meant: johnx: :O | 09:08 |
| GAN800 | lol | 09:08 |
| fysa | http://groups.google.com/group/android-internals | 09:08 |
| GAN800 | johnx just puts on his cooool sunglasses. | 09:08 |
| johnx | fysa, yup. I looked at that quite a bit right around release | 09:09 |
| johnx | rm_you, sorry...I'll try it now | 09:09 |
| rm_you | lol | 09:09 |
| rm_you | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/install/advanced-backlight.install | 09:09 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: work on designing another set of icons :P | 09:09 |
| johnx | fysa, I think I'll start picking it up more seriously when there is more source to play with | 09:10 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: with a different feel to them | 09:10 |
| rm_you | so we can have an alternative iconset | 09:10 |
| johnx | a VM for android that let things run in X would be very interesting I think | 09:10 |
| rm_you | like maybe a crystal theme | 09:10 |
| GAN800 | I could do one that's entirely based on Nokia defaults. | 09:11 |
| fysa | agreed | 09:11 |
| rm_you | :/ | 09:11 |
| rm_you | AND a crystal theme? :P | 09:11 |
| rm_you | cmon, be all graphc designy :P | 09:11 |
| GAN800 | But I don't much see the point of deviating from the Nokia look. | 09:11 |
| rm_you | find the next most popular theme | 09:11 |
| rm_you | like... plankton, i dunno | 09:11 |
| johnx | vista theme! | 09:11 |
| rm_you | and make one that jives with that | 09:11 |
| GAN800 | The idea is to integrate, not stand out. :P | 09:11 |
| rm_you | right | 09:11 |
| rm_you | so the more people | 09:12 |
| GAN800 | It's down to LCARS and default. | 09:12 |
| rm_you | s/people/people's themes we integrate with, the more popular the applet will be/ | 09:12 |
| infobot | rm_you meant: so the more people's themes we integrate with, the more popular the applet will be | 09:12 |
| GAN800 | unless you want an OS2007 set. | 09:12 |
| rm_you | <_< | 09:12 |
| rm_you | what is priority on 770 support? | 09:13 |
| GAN800 | No, theme integration I can do, but there aren't many themes that replace the statusbar icons rights now. ;) | 09:13 |
| GAN800 | loww | 09:13 |
| fysa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma5VdDx_0K4 | 09:13 |
| GAN800 | Since it's kernel hacking and ish | 09:13 |
| rm_you | eh | 09:13 |
| rm_you | GAN800: but, they dont have to replace them | 09:13 |
| rm_you | i'm saying, just make it FEEL better in those themes | 09:13 |
| rm_you | come up with an alternative way of displaying the dual stuff | 09:14 |
| rm_you | i dunno | 09:14 |
| rm_you | actually, i have an interesting idea for an iconset i might do | 09:14 |
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| fysa | johnx, android running within maemo looks like? | 09:16 |
| fysa | "There are again stability problem but the m3-rc37a is more responsive... | 09:16 |
| fysa | In the last versione I wait around 10-15 sec between the click to browser | 09:16 |
| fysa | icon and the Google page but maybe is caused by memory problem (I launch | 09:16 |
| fysa | Android with Maemo running and with only 40MB free). " | 09:16 |
| GAN800 | I'll do theme-based sets, and I'll do remixes on the integration theme, but new sets for the sake of new sets (ala omweather) don't really fit with the whole applet deal. :P | 09:16 |
| rm_you | heh | 09:16 |
| rm_you | i'm gonna make another package for iconsets | 09:17 |
| johnx | fysa, well not really within maemo, since AFAIK android writes directly the the framebuffer | 09:17 |
| rm_you | and throw LCARS and few others in there | 09:17 |
| fysa | OK, here we go. | 09:17 |
| GAN800 | I need to script the .png export first, though. | 09:17 |
| fysa | they disable X and other services to free memory. | 09:17 |
| rm_you | lol | 09:17 |
| fysa | 50MB of usage + 80MB for maemo and android isn't very happy. | 09:18 |
| fysa | sorry, 50MB of android usage | 09:18 |
| fysa | stop X/other junk and maemo takes 60MB. | 09:18 |
| johnx | should be able to spin a much more minimal android rootfs... | 09:19 |
| johnx | that's the way it's done on the zaurus | 09:19 |
| johnx | but then wifi becomes a pain | 09:19 |
| fysa | M5? | 09:19 |
| johnx | haven't looked at it yet | 09:20 |
| GAN800 | OK, rm_you, todos in order of priority. Volume beep, proper hildon menu, volume crash, code cleanup, N810 light meter support, 770 support, settings items. | 09:21 |
| rm_you | settings items? | 09:22 |
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| GAN800 | The links to the Control panels. | 09:22 |
| GAN800 | Like the stock Nokia applets have. | 09:22 |
| rm_you | ah right | 09:22 |
| rm_you | volume beep? | 09:22 |
| rm_you | seriously? | 09:22 |
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| rm_you | well, i know how to fix it | 09:22 |
| rm_you | so sure | 09:22 |
| GAN800 | Well, mostly because it's the easiest. | 09:22 |
| GAN800 | Drop it into the settings dialog, too. | 09:22 |
| rm_you | k | 09:23 |
| rm_you | well | 09:23 |
| GAN800 | Everything else either depends on something (settings links depend on proper hildon menu) or is larger in scale. | 09:23 |
| rm_you | priority really doesnt matter much | 09:23 |
| rm_you | well, here's the only thing i have to say about releases: | 09:23 |
| rm_you | I will release 1.0 when it is in a proper menu. | 09:23 |
| GAN800 | There, adv-backlight bug triaging done. :P | 09:24 |
| rm_you | I'm not moving it stable until that | 09:24 |
| GAN800 | Do you want to actually use the garage's bug/feature tracker? | 09:24 |
| rm_you | yeah | 09:24 |
| GAN800 | 'cause I can move this stuff in there if you do. | 09:24 |
| rm_you | i sort of set it up | 09:24 |
| rm_you | fix that | 09:24 |
| GAN800 | The Garage stuff is so ugly. <_< | 09:25 |
| GAN800 | Another item for the 100 Days agenda: Make Garage less suck. | 09:25 |
| rm_you | lol | 09:26 |
| rm_you | meh | 09:26 |
| rm_you | i want that transparency thing up | 09:26 |
| rm_you | also, saddened by Quim's reaction to our bug | 09:26 |
| rm_you | i see that you replied and said what I did in a more eloquent fashion :P | 09:27 |
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| GAN800 | Eh, it is what it is. | 09:27 |
| GAN800 | I was expecting worse, personally. ;) | 09:27 |
| GAN800 | At least somebody said something, and better that that somebody was Quim. | 09:28 |
| rm_you | quim should idle IRC | 09:28 |
| rm_you | and then sometimes not be idle :P | 09:28 |
| GAN800 | Ha | 09:28 |
| GAN800 | He does drop in every once and a while | 09:29 |
| GAN800 | Is there some missing documentation bug you could file that would get us the information we need more easily than requesting the source directly? | 09:29 |
| rm_you | so he doesnt have to go many days in one train of thought | 09:29 |
| johnx | what's that bug number again? | 09:29 |
| rm_you | he could just finish a conversation about something in 5 minutes | 09:29 |
| GAN800 | 3199 | 09:29 |
| GAN800 | rm_you, just think what it was like 20 years ago. <_< | 09:30 |
| rm_you | lol... no :P | 09:30 |
| rm_you | i refuse | 09:31 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, me neither. :) | 09:31 |
| GAN800 | s/:/;/ | 09:31 |
| rm_you | bad infobot | 09:31 |
| GAN800 | He's sleeping. | 09:31 |
| johnx | yeah...that's a pretty direct response :/ | 09:32 |
| johnx | ouch | 09:32 |
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| GAN800 | Anyway, help me get rolling on the source stuff wiki-side and we might make more progress. ;) | 09:32 |
| rm_you | he doesn't actually understand our problem :( | 09:32 |
| GAN800 | Well, the original comment wasn't exactly verbose. :P | 09:32 |
| johnx | yeah, but it also doesn't sound very positive with regards to opening any parts of the UI even as small as a statusbar plugin | 09:33 |
| GAN800 | I need to make the templates on the wiki not suck. | 09:33 |
| GAN800 | Not his decision, unfortunately. | 09:33 |
| johnx | ok, adv bl wins just cause it's easier to hit the mute area | 09:33 |
| johnx | congrats, you won a lot on my statusbar | 09:34 |
| GAN800 | Oh, center-dpad mutes/unmutes, too. | 09:34 |
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| GAN800 | rm_you, have you looked into the N810 brightness stuff at all yet? | 09:35 |
| GAN800 | I wondering how straightforward it'll be to supplant the Nokia implementation. | 09:35 |
| GAN800 | We technically have everything we need to do it, but I'm thinking there are going to be collision issues with the Nokia stuff. | 09:36 |
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| RST38h | back | 09:48 |
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| rm_you | GAN800: nomis | 10:11 |
| rm_you | err | 10:11 |
| rm_you | no | 10:11 |
| rm_you | lol | 10:11 |
| GAN800 | <_< | 10:12 |
| GAN800 | Don't you wish you could tab-complete everything sometimes? | 10:12 |
| rm_you | yes | 10:13 |
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| Stskeeps | GAN800: sometimes i wish i could tab-complete the world | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | especially when speaking to people | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:30 |
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| Ave | Stskeeps: why cant you? | 11:02 |
| Ave | er er, multifail | 11:02 |
| * Ave was just remapping the rx-44 xkb-file so tab would work nicely.. | 11:02 | |
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| Italodance | 8 Duke Nukem 3D Atomic Edition can work ? | 11:27 |
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| rm_you | GAN800: I guess I'll look at N810 light sensor support and do the system beep for the 9b release | 11:37 |
| rm_you | did you set up that stuff on the garage? | 11:37 |
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| qwerty12 | rm_you, Congrats, I updated my repo list in app manager and I saw that the poking paid off :P :) | 11:44 |
| rm_you | qwerty12: :P | 11:45 |
| rm_you | and 0.9 release is sweet :) | 11:45 |
| qwerty12 | Ooh, it's a new version, I didn't notice :) | 11:45 |
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| qwerty12 | I need to reinstall the rotation xomap, I have a blank space where the little rotation arrow would be in my statusbar | 11:46 |
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| rm_you | supports LCARS iconset now | 11:48 |
| qwerty12 | Ah cool. I really need a black theme but LCARS and me don't agree :/ | 11:48 |
| * qwerty12 has finally stopped being lazy and started to add user/ to the section of all the debs he makes | 11:49 | |
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| rm_you | heh | 11:49 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: check fms.komkon.org/Mameo btw | 11:56 |
| rm_you | is it working again? | 11:56 |
| RST38h | yea | 11:56 |
| rm_you | i tried to use it today and it was broken | 11:56 |
| rm_you | :( | 11:56 |
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| RST38h | PHP/Apache tandem broke up | 11:56 |
| RST38h | Dunno why. But it's fixed now. | 11:56 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, Brilliant, thanks, working great with parameters | 11:56 |
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| rm_you | whats a goodpage to show someone who i'm introducing to the n8x0 | 11:58 |
| qwerty12 | Internet tablet school? | 11:58 |
| qwerty12 | Not Internet Tablet Talk, probably scare them away with the high CPU | 11:59 |
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| qwerty12 | Typical, I upgrade to kernel .18 1/2 days ago and now there is .19 | 12:07 |
| RST38h | rm_yuo: Nokia has got a product page | 12:07 |
| qwerty12 | rm_yo: True :P | 12:07 |
| RST38h | qwerty: "How do you know you have no real life? --- You are compiling Linux kernel on daily basis" | 12:07 |
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| qwerty12 | Hehe, I think I fall into that category. You won't believe the amount of stuff I did to my N800 kernel >.< | 12:08 |
| RST38h | see? ;) | 12:08 |
| qwerty12 | I'm a geek :O. The horror! (like you didn't already know) | 12:09 |
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| RST38h | The suffering! | 12:09 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:24 |
| qwerty12 | morning | 12:24 |
| lardman | how are you qwerty12 | 12:25 |
| lardman | ? | 12:25 |
| qwerty12 | I'm fine thanks, how about you? | 12:25 |
| lardman | not bad, nice free weekend :) | 12:26 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, yeah, needed the lie in, I've been watching too much TV and going to sleep @ 1AM for the past 2 weeks :D | 12:27 |
| lardman | I used to do that, you loose so much of the day getting up late though, not worth it (he says now ;) | 12:28 |
| lardman | but they always put the good TV on late | 12:28 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, yeah. Except for ITV now, it's all that bingo rubbish | 12:29 |
| lardman | if ITV stopped transmitting one day I don't think I'd even notice | 12:29 |
| * lardman doesn't watch soaps | 12:29 | |
| * lardman 's gf does though, so I bet I'd hear about it! | 12:30 | |
| qwerty12 | True, I don't really watch ITV at all anymore. | 12:30 |
| * qwerty12 watches eastenders | 12:30 | |
| qwerty12 | heh | 12:30 |
| lardman | so what's new in diablo-world? | 12:31 |
| qwerty12 | No idea :/ | 12:32 |
| * qwerty12 hates and loves SSU | 12:32 | |
| tank-man | get a pvr, watch tv on your own time | 12:32 |
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| lardman | tank-man: Got one, otherwise I'd never get round to watching anything | 12:33 |
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| lardman | Although flash is really annoying, I'm glad I'm running 32-bit Linux so I can at least see it :) | 12:35 |
| qwerty12 | Be glad you aren't running firefox 3.0 :/ (I think anyway :P) | 12:35 |
| lardman | I am | 12:36 |
| lardman | Just on my desktop ;) | 12:36 |
| qwerty12 | I should have thought twice before upgrading to hardy and installing pulseaudio | 12:36 |
| rm_you | ah? | 12:37 |
| rm_you | is it broken? | 12:37 |
| qwerty12 | Not really broken, hardy just comes with firefox 3 which has got to be the most crash prone POS i've ever seen. pulseaudio was something of my own choice but compatibility with apps has gone way down. | 12:38 |
| * lcuk stumbles in with a brew | 12:38 | |
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| * lcuk offers tea/coffee/vodka | 12:38 | |
| qwerty12 | I can't/don't drink none :P | 12:39 |
| lardman | I find the bloody filemanager in Hardy crashes all the time, and takes every window with it | 12:39 |
| lcuk | ok then qwerty, for you ive got some cordial | 12:39 |
| lardman | I'm still tempted to go back to KDE | 12:39 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, it craps out when opening my home folder too. The only thing nice about the new nautillus is merge. | 12:40 |
| lcuk | lard, is it the filemanager, or your entire machine | 12:40 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, Ta | 12:40 |
| lcuk | you said before its flakey | 12:40 |
| lardman | lcuk: well the whole machine seems ok now (since upgrading), touch wood! | 12:40 |
| lcuk | good good | 12:40 |
| lardman | lcuk: I think that was driver problems | 12:41 |
| lcuk | story of our life... | 12:41 |
| qwerty12 | What I did like about hardy was that installing fglrx wouldn't mess up the machine like it did in gutsy. in gutsy, I had to make new Xorg.conf | 12:41 |
| lardman | The one thing still broken in Hardy, which worked in whichever one it upgraded from, is the screen res on my second monitor | 12:42 |
| lardman | it refuses to listen to xorg.conf and has some rubbish low res | 12:42 |
| lardman | I should probably read the log file really | 12:42 |
| lcuk | heh, the first monitor on mine wouldnt play ball properly - when i installed nvidia drivers it decided tv out was the default | 12:43 |
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| * qwerty12 goes to compile carwhisperer and puts on evil grin. | 12:45 | |
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| lcuk | lardman, you haven't got a problem with your edid.bin settings file have you | 12:45 |
| lardman | qwerty12: let me know how it works, I was thinking that would be fun :) | 12:45 |
| lardman | lcuk: I don;t even know what that is | 12:46 |
| lardman | ah, info returned by device? | 12:46 |
| lcuk | well its the settings file that the nvidia driver uses for timings and resolutions, its normally right, but its wrong for my laptop and would not give me a higher res | 12:47 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, Will do. it compiled beautifully, just need to compare the hcid.conf from the N800 with the one in the carwhisper tar.gz | 12:47 |
| lcuk | i had to hexedit mine to get 024x768 | 12:47 |
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| lcuk | 1024* | 12:47 |
| rm_you | lardman: working on SDB stuff this weekend? :P | 12:47 |
| lardman | rm_you: yeah, just sat down to do so :) | 12:48 |
| lcuk | without it it wouldnt properly go over some silly format and had a blank strip | 12:48 |
| rm_you | s/SDB/SBC/ | 12:48 |
| infobot | rm_you meant: lardman: working on SBC stuff this weekend? :P | 12:48 |
| rm_you | heh wehen you get it to testable state i'll help :P | 12:48 |
| lardman | ok, well the Bluez code is quite nicely written, so I'm ever hopefull it will be soon | 12:48 |
| lcuk | rm_you, did your beta work out ok? | 12:48 |
| qwerty12 | I'll be a beta tester :P :) (but my headset does the weird/nice thing where it decodes mp3 on the headset) | 12:49 |
| lardman | assuming I'm not dragged out to go shopping or something else :S | 12:49 |
| lardman | qwerty12: alright for some, that option was too expensive for me ;) | 12:49 |
| lardman | qwerty12: Do you know if Bluez will pass mp3 straight through? | 12:49 |
| qwerty12 | I bought this headset for £15 :P | 12:49 |
| qwerty12 | No idea :? | 12:49 |
| qwerty12 | *:/ | 12:49 |
| rm_you | lcuk: yeah i pushed it to extras today | 12:50 |
| lcuk | excellent :) | 12:50 |
| lcuk | lardman - i realised why i got superior battery performance to most others when we were at linuxtag | 12:50 |
| lcuk | even when i was running performance | 12:50 |
| lardman | (II) NV(1): Not using mode "1440x900@60" (width too large for virtual size) | 12:51 |
| lcuk | is this a laptop or your desktop | 12:52 |
| lardman | desktop | 12:52 |
| lardman | there's another worrying message at the end of the log: | 12:52 |
| lardman | (WW) NVIDIA: Xinerama and GLX are enabled, but some X screens are not being | 12:52 |
| lardman | (WW) NVIDIA: driven by the NVIDIA X driver. OpenGL rendering will be | 12:52 |
| lardman | (WW) NVIDIA: disabled on these screens: | 12:52 |
| lardman | (WW) NVIDIA: - Screen 1: NV | 12:52 |
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| lardman | I'll have to do some digging | 12:53 |
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| qwerty12 | Quick google gives me this: | 12:53 |
| qwerty12 | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=714784 | 12:53 |
| qwerty12 | Seems similar to your problem | 12:53 |
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| lardman | oh dear, it suggests running the reconfigure tool, that always seems to screw everything up :D | 12:55 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, for me, it did the opposite ;) | 12:56 |
| qwerty12 | *:) | 12:56 |
| lardman | ah well, once I've finished coding for the day I'll give it a go (otherwise when it messes up I'll curse and spend the rest of the day trying to sort it out) | 12:56 |
| lcuk | i have to ask, how is a regular joe user expected to do this kind of stuff? | 12:57 |
| lardman | exactly | 12:57 |
| lardman | Windows has far better/slicker multi-monitor support | 12:57 |
| lcuk | if it hurts our heads and we are supposed to know | 12:57 |
| tank-man | the nvidia gui config too is pretty easy to use | 12:57 |
| rm_you | yeah the nvidia config in hardy worked great for my two monitors... | 12:58 |
| rm_you | :( | 12:58 |
| rm_you | but they are exactly the same | 12:58 |
| rm_you | down to model number | 12:58 |
| lardman | nvidia gui never used to work for me, but perhaps things have moved on.... | 12:58 |
| lcuk | lard, might be an idea to test it | 12:59 |
| * qwerty12 uses ATI here | 12:59 | |
| rm_you | i'm sorry :(* | 12:59 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 12:59 |
| qwerty12 | Nvidia is a better choice for linux, maybe when I get a new gfx card (I really should do) | 13:00 |
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| lardman | lcuk: I'll test all the options this evening; and you will probably see me back tomorrow cursing, lots :) | 13:01 |
| lcuk | lol cursing politely and negotiating with nvidia no doubt ;) | 13:02 |
| * lardman should get another 7900GTX and then hopefully the nVidia driver will be less confused & he can run SLI :) | 13:03 | |
| lardman | lcuk: but of course | 13:03 |
| lcuk | damn, ive just realised something about my program: its geared for me - a left hander. im gonna have to make the ui configurable | 13:05 |
| qwerty12 | :O. Us righties rule da world :P | 13:06 |
| lcuk | you righties would have to stretch over all the ui and keep catching it | 13:06 |
| lcuk | you would fail :P | 13:06 |
| qwerty12 | No, I'd just use rotation to shove it into Inverse mode :P | 13:06 |
| lcuk | liaf llits dluow uoy | 13:08 |
| qwerty12 | why? | 13:08 |
| qwerty12 | (only took me a sec to read that :P) | 13:08 |
| lcuk | cos the writing would be inverted | 13:08 |
| qwerty12 | eew | 13:08 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 13:08 |
| lcuk | its ok, the ui elements float around and try not to collide | 13:09 |
| lcuk | so ill just let you decide left or right | 13:09 |
| * qwerty12 needs to extract all the diablo deb files to get hcid.conf and then compile Sox and it's many libs >.< | 13:09 | |
| lcuk | ok, im off to try some stuff, lardman good luck getting dsp stuff sorted. ill b back later | 13:10 |
| qwerty12 | See ya | 13:11 |
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| qwerty12 | rm_you, Just updated to the latest, very nice :). Mind if I put in a little request? :/ | 13:12 |
| rm_you | please do | 13:12 |
| lardman | lcuk: Good luck to you too, c ya | 13:13 |
| qwerty12 | rm_you, No wait, you already thought of it. (hardware button control) | 13:13 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks :D | 13:13 |
| rm_you | lol | 13:13 |
| rm_you | actually, that was a user submitted patch | 13:14 |
| rm_you | i was like... ok i guess :P and applied it | 13:14 |
| qwerty12 | Well, that guy read my mind and did what I couldn't do | 13:14 |
| rm_you | if you think of any other awesome features | 13:15 |
| rm_you | don't hesitate to post on the ITT thread | 13:15 |
| rm_you | or do garage feature requests | 13:15 |
| * RST38h now polling gronmayer for the repo list | 13:15 | |
| qwerty12 | rm_you, Will do, thanks | 13:15 |
| RST38h | one more change to the php script - and I am almost done | 13:15 |
| rm_you | :) | 13:16 |
| rm_you | still using hover i see :/ | 13:17 |
| rm_you | wha | 13:17 |
| rm_you | why does it list my applet like 10 times | 13:17 |
| rm_you | make that 20 | 13:17 |
| rm_you | 10 times per version | 13:17 |
| rm_you | and again, these suggestions are because *i like your site* and would love to see it get widely adopted | 13:18 |
| rm_you | I'm not trying to belittle your work :( | 13:18 |
| lardman | Wonderful, as the sbc encoder only needs 256bytes at a time, we can happily run this without a thread, I think | 13:19 |
| rm_you | lardman: I dont know what that means, but you seem to be happy about it, so, SWEET! :P | 13:19 |
| qwerty12 | ^^ | 13:19 |
| qwerty12 | I was gonna type the same thing :D | 13:19 |
| lardman | rm_you: the standard way of calling a task it to just send it a chunk of data and wait for it to process it and send it back | 13:19 |
| lardman | for some codecs, such as Tremor, things are not simple enough to do that, but for SBC it looks like they are :) | 13:20 |
| * qwerty12 is a little unsure with car whisper, it wants me to make some groovy changes to hcid.conf. Ah well, on the end users head be it | 13:20 | |
| rm_you | don't waste time explaining it to me, just make it work :P | 13:20 |
| lardman | lol, I'll try | 13:20 |
| * rm_you can't wait | 13:21 | |
| rm_you | seriously... | 13:21 |
| * rm_you fails at waiting | 13:21 | |
| qwerty12 | lardman, I congratulate you for attempting (and hopefully succeeding) for what Nokia cannot be arsed to do even after being the 2nd most voted feature. | 13:21 |
| lardman | qwerty12: well they would have to pay someone to do it | 13:22 |
| rm_you | and its easier to get slave labor from the community >_< | 13:22 |
| qwerty12 | I paid money for this tablet :P. | 13:22 |
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| rm_you | i need an n810 | 13:23 |
| lardman | I think the hold up on Nokia's side is that the DSP is used to mix system sounds, by bypassing the DSP mixer, we won't get any system sounds | 13:23 |
| rm_you | :( | 13:23 |
| * qwerty12 can trade in a N800 plus £20 on top for a N810 | 13:23 | |
| rm_you | well | 13:23 |
| rm_you | if the code for the DSP mixer was open? | 13:23 |
| lardman | unless they re-write the way the DSP does it's mixing and output, and that would be expensive I guess | 13:23 |
| rm_you | qwerty12: ?!? | 13:23 |
| lardman | rm_you: indeed, but it's 3rd party I think | 13:24 |
| rm_you | so THEY could do it | 13:24 |
| rm_you | and are the ONLY people who can do it | 13:24 |
| lardman | I think they plan to go that way, just depends on when | 13:24 |
| qwerty12 | rm_you, My friends uncle bought a N810 recently and is offering a trade but I'm too attached to my N800. Plus the N800 is in bad condition :/ | 13:24 |
| rm_you | heh | 13:24 |
| rm_you | yeah i like my n800 too much to trade | 13:25 |
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| rm_you | i would just ALSO need an n810 | 13:25 |
| rm_you | i think limiting the N810 to a single miniSD slot was the most retarded move ever | 13:25 |
| qwerty12 | I'd rather just wait for N900/Pandora rather than getting a N810 now :) | 13:25 |
| rm_you | was prolly due to space or cost concerns, but... lame | 13:25 |
| rm_you | LAAAAME | 13:25 |
| rm_you | yeah, same | 13:25 |
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| b0unc3 | good morning | 13:26 |
| qwerty12 | morning | 13:26 |
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| qwerty12 | johnx, ping | 13:34 |
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| Italodance | New Instruction : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=189563#post189563post189563 | 13:45 |
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| lardman | bmidgley: Are you about? | 13:50 |
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| qwerty12 | Ok, stealing scripts from johnx's a2dp package, I'm proud to present a carwhisper package. Now I'll have to see if it works >.< and doesn't kill my bluetooth. I'll then have to compile SoX later. | 13:56 |
| lardman | good stuff | 14:00 |
| rm_you | dont you love open source? | 14:01 |
| rm_you | :P | 14:01 |
| * rm_you yanks some code from osso-statusbar-cpu | 14:01 | |
| Italodance | ? | 14:01 |
| rm_you | ok, have to ask | 14:01 |
| rm_you | you name... is it like... "Italo" + "dance"? Like... Italian Dance? | 14:02 |
| rm_you | thats how I always pronounce it in my head | 14:02 |
| rm_you | :P | 14:02 |
| Italodance | rm_you yes Italodance is an old music genre and i like it,it's from my childhood | 14:02 |
| rm_you | ah | 14:02 |
| Italodance | rm_you i have an old blog too www.italodancemp3.de.am | 14:03 |
| qwerty12 | Only thing I'm unsure is that will the perl with os2008 run the cw_pin.pl script fine and will the odd form of bluez on these tablets listen to hcid.conf to run cw_pin.pl anyway :P | 14:03 |
| Italodance | Italodance you can read news interviews cd releases.... | 14:03 |
| lardman | aargh, my wireless keyboard just stopped working | 14:06 |
| qwerty12 | Well, the postinst script worked to move and backup the original hcid.conf and install my/trifinite/nokia's version of hcid.conf. | 14:06 |
| lardman | luckily I have a wired one plugged in for such eventualities | 14:06 |
| qwerty12 | Now I need to charge up my headset. | 14:06 |
| qwerty12 | Nice thinking | 14:06 |
| qwerty12 | I feel like I am stabbing myself in the foot as I am going to add an entry to hack my bluetooth headset :D | 14:08 |
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| lardman | :) | 14:11 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 brings up the electric bed to retrieve my headset :p. the perl script runs fine now i just got to see if the weird implementation of bluez will run the pin perl script | 14:16 | |
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| rm_you | isn't there a bluetooth pin API? | 14:22 |
| lcuk | bluetooth pins? i didnt think embroidery was so advanced | 14:23 |
| rm_you | >_> | 14:23 |
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| Italodance | <_< | 14:34 |
| lopz | morning | 14:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Hmm, does anyone know which package the "play" command comes from? | 14:37 |
| aquatix | alsa? | 14:37 |
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| aquatix | just a wild guess | 14:37 |
| aquatix | dpkg -S play | 14:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Probably is, thanks | 14:38 |
| aquatix | dpkg -S `which play` | 14:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I'll compile a binary later (carwhisper needs it) | 14:38 |
| KotCzarny | sox probably | 14:39 |
| KotCzarny | but i may be wrong | 14:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:40 |
| aquatix | hm, alsa's play is aplay i think | 14:40 |
| aquatix | so KotCzarny might be right :) | 14:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | It may be, I need to compile sox anyway | 14:40 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | hmm, is 0x200(etc) the standard class for headset? | 14:42 |
| eichi | which producer does the best sd-cards? i need one für my n800 device | 14:45 |
| eichi | company | 14:46 |
| rm_you | well | 14:46 |
| rm_you | i know a lot of people buy Transcend cards | 14:47 |
| rm_you | i like my a-data | 14:47 |
| rm_you | most SD cards these days come from like 1 or 2 manufacturers and just get rebranded anyway | 14:47 |
| eichi | i bought a very cheap noname one für external sd and have allways problems | 14:49 |
| rm_you | i always just buy the cheapest one possible, and i've never had problems :( | 14:51 |
| rm_you | maybe i just got lucky? or many you got unlucky :/ | 14:51 |
| rm_you | *maybe | 14:51 |
| rm_you | Sprechen Sie Deutsch? Du sagt "für" oft :P | 14:52 |
| * rm_you is horrible at German, for the record | 14:52 | |
| lardman | is long on arm the same as int? | 14:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | carwhisperer ain't gonna work (well), stupid nokia insists that it's pair dialog still comes up | 14:53 |
| rm_you | qwerty12_N800: hrm | 14:54 |
| rm_you | what does carwhisperer do? | 14:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i'm gonna charge my headset more, disable the bluetooth statusbar applet and reboot | 14:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, eavesdroppes on bt headsets | 14:54 |
| rm_you | ah?! lol | 14:55 |
| rm_you | how | 14:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | also lets you send a message of your own | 14:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | works on the basis of default pins | 14:55 |
| rm_you | lol | 14:55 |
| rm_you | right | 14:55 |
| rm_you | since like all headsets have that by necessity | 14:55 |
| rm_you | why is it called car whisperer >_> | 14:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | It's made for the bluetooth handsfree systems in cars | 14:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | turn right... | 14:56 |
| rm_you | ah lol | 14:56 |
| rm_you | so eavesdropping is not its INTENDED purpose :P | 14:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Well, from readme: | 14:57 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | "Once the connection has been successfully established, the carwhispstarts sending audio to, and recording audio from the headset." | 14:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | "This allows attackers to inject audio data into the car. This could be fake traffic announcements or nice words. Attackers are also able to eavesdrop conversations among people sitting in the car." | 14:58 |
| rm_you | LOL | 14:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | stupid vi and osso-xterm | 14:59 |
| rm_you | so you have something to do in stop&go traffic on the way to work? :P | 14:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Hehe,if you run a business, advertise! :p | 14:59 |
| rm_you | or you could be like "Hey, whats up! I'm like, in the car behind you... You're looking hot today, want to go grab some food after work? Here's my number..." | 15:00 |
| rm_you | good way to get the cops called on you :P | 15:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | but this was made in 2001 iirc and pairing mode exists too | 15:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lmao | 15:00 |
| aquatix | `I'm so totally not stalking you' | 15:00 |
| rm_you | "Lies!" | 15:01 |
| rm_you | :P | 15:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Who here uses their phone to bluejack? | 15:01 |
| aquatix | statistics! | 15:01 |
| aquatix | oh wait | 15:01 |
| aquatix | qwerty12_N800: sometimes | 15:01 |
| rm_you | ? | 15:01 |
| rm_you | bluejack? | 15:01 |
| aquatix | generally did it with my palm | 15:01 |
| aquatix | rm_you: send messages to random people with bluetooth enabled | 15:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | aquatix, the fun, I did it to my cousin once at a wedding, "hey baby..." | 15:01 |
| aquatix | mostly done through vcards | 15:02 |
| aquatix | ghehe | 15:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | bluejacking n800 is great, depening on the prog the message was sent with, it says the msg + who sent | 15:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i | 15:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | t | 15:03 |
| aquatix | hm, what is a good program for the n8x0 to bluejack with? | 15:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | There is none :(. unless you count contacts | 15:03 |
| aquatix | hm, k | 15:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Just make a new contact with the message as the name and export it with the file name as the message | 15:04 |
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| eichi | can i use a 8BG sanDisk extreme 3 SDHC card with my n800? | 15:21 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 15:21 |
| KotCzarny | but have an option open to return the card | 15:21 |
| RST38h | KotCzarny,qwerty: Check fms.komkon.org/Maemo - I have just added OS version selection | 15:22 |
| rm_you | eichi: yes, should work fine | 15:22 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 15:23 |
| KotCzarny | maemo4.. | 15:23 |
| rm_you | RST38h: looks good now, package is showing up the right amount of times :) | 15:24 |
| KotCzarny | add the legend above the form | 15:24 |
| KotCzarny | explaining which maemo version has which codename | 15:24 |
| rm_you | it's still using onmousehover >_> | 15:24 |
| rm_you | why not just have them labeled with the release name? | 15:24 |
| rm_you | ah, thanks for the hardware keys patch BTW | 15:25 |
| rm_you | I assume you are Marat? | 15:25 |
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| RST38h | No, I am Napoleon I | 15:26 |
| rm_you | O_o | 15:26 |
| RST38h | one of us is, anyway | 15:26 |
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| KotCzarny | the shorter one, probably | 15:27 |
| * KotCzarny grins | 15:27 | |
| rm_you | o_O | 15:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hmm, carwhisperer doesn't like my headset, causes it to shutdown muhahaha | 15:27 |
| RST38h | rm_you: GAN had a good suggestion yesterday | 15:28 |
| rm_you | ? | 15:28 |
| RST38h | He suggested using a little rotating arrow to fold/unfold | 15:28 |
| rm_you | yes | 15:28 |
| RST38h | too bad I have not found good arrow gifs yet | 15:28 |
| rm_you | so did I :P | 15:28 |
| rm_you | dont need gifs | 15:28 |
| KotCzarny | just make one | 15:28 |
| RST38h | too lazy | 15:28 |
| KotCzarny | gimp has a plugin for arrows | 15:28 |
| RST38h | no gimp | 15:28 |
| KotCzarny | no kidding | 15:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:28 |
| rm_you | just need need one image of an arrow pointing right and one of an arrow pointing down | 15:29 |
| rm_you | and have it swap the image on click along with expanding | 15:29 |
| rm_you | and underline the title so people know it is clickable | 15:29 |
| rm_you | style="text-decoration: underline" | 15:29 |
| KotCzarny | or just use: '>' and 'v' | 15:29 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 15:29 |
| rm_you | lol KotCzarny | 15:30 |
| KotCzarny | well, make it 'V' | 15:30 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 15:30 |
| RST38h | Kot: yea, and you will be using LYNX, I assume? | 15:30 |
| KotCzarny | lynx doesn't do js/css | 15:30 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 15:30 |
| rm_you | does NO ONE else think that using Mouse Hover events is not a good idea for a site that will primarily be viewed on a tablet that doesnt have the ABILITY to mouse hover? >_> | 15:31 |
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| rm_you | if i'm seriously the only person this occurs to, i'll shut up | 15:31 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:31 |
| rm_you | it just seems like a major issue <_< | 15:31 |
| RST38h | it is =) | 15:31 |
| KotCzarny | rm_you: it doesn't have it NOW | 15:32 |
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| KotCzarny | but timeless is working probably hard ;) | 15:32 |
| rm_you | lol | 15:32 |
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| rm_you | whatever, i'll just use greasemonkey to fix the site <_< | 15:33 |
| rm_you | wait... is there a greasemonkey for the tablet's firefox? | 15:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yes | 15:33 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 15:33 |
| rm_you | good | 15:33 |
| rm_you | RST38h: is your site "open source"? :P | 15:34 |
| RST38h | rm_you: it is open source to anybody willing to host it | 15:39 |
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| rm_you | RST38h: I could host it | 15:39 |
| RST38h | 'cause hosting it on Komkon is somewhat problematic | 15:39 |
| rm_you | for what reason? | 15:39 |
| RST38h | MySQL puts some strain on the server and is a security risk | 15:39 |
| rm_you | :/ | 15:40 |
| KotCzarny | rst, how do you get a list of repos/packages? | 15:40 |
| RST38h | Kot: I poll Gronmayer ;) | 15:40 |
| RST38h | With wget | 15:40 |
| KotCzarny | heh.. | 15:40 |
| rm_you | lol | 15:40 |
| KotCzarny | i think getting from the source sites and caching parsed data would be better | 15:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:40 |
| RST38h | rm_you: if you have reliable hosting, I can pass it over to you for further improvement once I make a few changes | 15:40 |
| RST38h | Kot: I do | 15:40 |
| RST38h | Kot: Once I get URL list from Gornmayer, I poll repos | 15:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | When using grep, is there a sort of thing like OR (e.g I would ls and I would want grep to show me txt and jpg files) | 15:41 |
| KotCzarny | uhum | 15:41 |
| rm_you | I have a hosting account that's like... 600gb/month supposedly | 15:41 |
| rm_you | but i suspect they oversell | 15:41 |
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| KotCzarny | qwerty, yes | 15:41 |
| rm_you | so far tho, no problems | 15:41 |
| KotCzarny | but use grep | 15:41 |
| KotCzarny | egrep | 15:41 |
| KotCzarny | or grep -E | 15:41 |
| KotCzarny | grep -E '(something|barf)' | 15:41 |
| t_s_o | hmm, no sure i get the reasoning behind not fixing any of the maemo bugs in pimlico contacts: http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2008/06/06/contacts-09-released/ | 15:42 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny, Thanks, now I don't have to do commenting etc | 15:42 |
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| KotCzarny | does anyone play nwn here? | 15:43 |
| RST38h | Anyways, the Aggregator is looking for home. If anybody feels like hosting and supporting it, let me know | 15:46 |
| rm_you | I could try and see how my hosting works for it | 15:47 |
| rm_you | i havent really stress tested it | 15:47 |
| shackan | I'm thinking about getting a pandora, but only if its screen is usable outdoors (unlike the n800) | 15:48 |
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| rm_you | i use my n800 outside... in texas sun... | 15:49 |
| rm_you | works fine for me :P | 15:49 |
| shackan | uh, got a special screen protector ? | 15:49 |
| rm_you | no? | 15:49 |
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| shackan | mmmm, it really doesn't work like that for me | 15:50 |
| rm_you | though I did get that glare reducing eye surgery :P | 15:50 |
| shackan | ..... | 15:50 |
| rm_you | lol j/k, no idea why i can see the screen and you can't >_> | 15:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, how? even the rare sun of london makes my n800s screen hard to read :p | 15:50 |
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| rm_you | turn the brightness to max? :/ | 15:51 |
| shackan | man seriously, a couple of weeks ago I got caught in a transportation strike in the middle of my commute and didn't know where to go, I tried to use the embedded mapping app but I couldn't use it unless I found some shadow | 15:51 |
| shackan | that didn't help | 15:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, still doesn't help | 15:51 |
| glass | theres some films you can stick on the surface | 15:52 |
| glass | that help reading in sun | 15:52 |
| shackan | s/unless/until/ | 15:52 |
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| shackan | also, I remember trying to use the media player outside, horrible, couldn't see anything | 15:52 |
| rm_you | i play with canola walking to class <_< | 15:53 |
| rm_you | every day | 15:53 |
| rm_you | maybe my N800 is magical | 15:53 |
| RST38h | maybe you are not living in Texas? =) | 15:54 |
| rm_you | well not right now | 15:54 |
| * rm_you went back to WA for summer | 15:54 | |
| shackan | (even with canola's high contrast themes) | 15:54 |
| shackan | how much is the 810 in europe now? | 15:55 |
| florian | ~360 EUR iirc | 15:56 |
| infobot | gives EUR iirc a one revolution spin or 2\pi | 15:56 |
| shackan | €459,00 that's twice the pandora announced price | 15:57 |
| shackan | florian: I just got the price from nokia's site | 15:58 |
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| florian | shackan: oops | 15:59 |
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| mrglinux | where can i but n810 on nokia website | 16:01 |
| mrglinux | **buy | 16:02 |
| KotCzarny | probably shop.nokia.com | 16:02 |
| KotCzarny | or similiar | 16:02 |
| lcuk | http://shop.nokia.co.uk/nokia-uk/searchresults.aspx?selector_session=PHALL%3a0%2c26647285&wt=PHALL&ws=0%2c26647285&culture=en-GB#__anchor_ProductSelector | 16:03 |
| lcuk | mornin kot | 16:03 |
| mrglinux | and how can i get list of shops that sell n810 ? | 16:03 |
| jeroin | buy it from UK, costs 300 EUR there | 16:04 |
| jeroin | check eBay | 16:04 |
| KotCzarny | hi lcuk | 16:04 |
| jeroin | or consider US | 16:04 |
| * lcuk has been a busy boy | 16:05 | |
| aquatix | mrglinux: amazon.com | 16:06 |
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| RST38h | www.froogle.com | 16:06 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 16:07 |
| mrglinux | aquatix: i think they send it and deliver a few day after .. but you think one person will come from usa tomorrow and i want he buy it for me.. so do u think he can buy from online store... | 16:08 |
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| aquatix | mrglinux: he can, yes, but i don't think he will have it in time to take it with him tomorrow | 16:08 |
| mrglinux | aquatix: so if he can go to the store.. and buy it.. it's possible | 16:09 |
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| aquatix | mrglinux: true | 16:10 |
| aquatix | mrglinux: maybe he knows better what store to go to then? | 16:10 |
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| mrglinux | aquatix: and it's cause i search for a store... i remmber .. nokia introduce store's and resellers for each model of nokia | 16:10 |
| mrglinux | aquatix: i dont know .. because he doesn't know nokia n810 | 16:11 |
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| aquatix | yeah, but i guess he knows electronics stores in his neighbourhood | 16:11 |
| aquatix | like best buy or something | 16:11 |
| * aquatix isn't from the USA either | 16:11 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | Hmm does anyone know which program handles the bluetooth pairing (espically the enter passcode dialog box)? | 16:12 |
| KotCzarny | it's defined in /etc/bluetoth/ | 16:12 |
| KotCzarny | tooth | 16:13 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 16:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I added an entry in hcid.conf but maemo still comes up with it's own one | 16:13 |
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| KotCzarny | do we love distractions from standards? yes we do.. | 16:14 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | the bluez in n800 is no exception... | 16:14 |
| RST38h | KILL KILL | 16:14 |
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| KotCzarny | you can check init.d script too | 16:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | stupid nokia, dodgy bluetooth variations and the bt statusbar applet is closed src | 16:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | already looking | 16:15 |
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| jeroin | even if you're not from US its still cheaper to buy it there :> | 16:16 |
| jeroin | everything will work fine | 16:17 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | But I prefer my tablet with all wifi frequencies ;) | 16:17 |
| jeroin | only the powerplug not but those are very standard | 16:17 |
| jeroin | i bought mine for 303 EUR (imncl 20 EUR S&H) from UK | 16:18 |
| jeroin | oh yea.. hmm well.. wimax? :p | 16:18 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | hmm, does hcid usually have a -x option? | 16:20 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | night rm_you | 16:29 |
| rm_you | it has been a good day :) | 16:29 |
| rm_you | night | 16:29 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | heh | 16:29 |
| jeroin | why is tech equipment in the USA always cheaper? | 16:30 |
| KotCzarny | because it's developed there? | 16:30 |
| RST38h | "The whole idea behind Christian Zionism is to align America with the nation of Israel so as to "hurry God up" in his efforts to bring about Armageddon." | 16:31 |
| RST38h | "As Hagee tells it, only after Israel is involved in a final showdown involving a satanic army (in most interpretations, a force of Arabs led by Russians) will Christ reappear." | 16:31 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 16:33 |
| RST38h | BTW, in that computer game where you are supposed to fight the satanic army after the Rupture... | 16:33 |
| RST38h | Do you get to play as Satan? Some easter-egg mode, maybe? | 16:34 |
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| t_s_o | jeroin: big single market, with a non-uniform vat. therefor are all usd prices given without vat... | 16:38 |
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| K-Fox | is it possible to use Netcat appl on n810? | 16:38 |
| K-Fox | sniffing | 16:39 |
| K-Fox | etc.. | 16:39 |
| RST38h | US has no VAT | 16:39 |
| RST38h | It has got sales tax which differs from state to state | 16:39 |
| t_s_o | VAT, sales tax, big diff... | 16:39 |
| RST38h | But it is rarely bigger than 10% | 16:39 |
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| KotCzarny | netcat for sniffing? | 16:39 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 16:40 |
| GAN800 | 0-10%, and only 10% in the shitty places like California and New York, which is nowhere near 17%. | 16:40 |
| KotCzarny | in ny it's 8.7something | 16:41 |
| KotCzarny | afair | 16:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Hmm, it seems to be hcid itself bringing up the pair dialog. I'll compile my own hcid later | 16:41 |
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| RST38h | "Hello," I said, taking a deep breath. "My name is Matt. My father was an alcoholic circus clown who used to beat me with his oversize shoes." | 16:57 |
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| aquatix | RST38h: ? | 17:00 |
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| Jeff1f | Do the n800 and n810 have the same power adapter plugs? | 17:19 |
| RST38h | aquatix: just reading an article | 17:20 |
| aquatix | heh, k | 17:21 |
| * aquatix is watching some Lost | 17:22 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, Jeff1f. | 17:22 |
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| Jeff1f | thank you | 17:22 |
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| monkeywraith | i am using os2008 with japanese support and the matchbook_keyboard package ... is there a way to input squiggly brackets {}? | 17:31 |
| MangoFusion | copy + paste always works as a last resort ;) | 17:34 |
| jeroin | t_s_o: i see, so if you buy from US, you always pay VAT? | 17:35 |
| monkeywraith | that it does, but i was looking for an actual direct input rather than having to track it down to copy each time | 17:36 |
| t_s_o | jeroin: more like, the price listed in us dollars may not allways be the final price one ends up paying when buying it in usa... | 17:36 |
| monkeywraith | with the japanese support there is a 'raw code' option, but i have been unable to find a chart of raw inputs of any sort | 17:37 |
| MangoFusion | asciitable.com? | 17:37 |
| GAN800 | Well, if you're buying online you rarely pay sales tax, so that really is the price (baring shipping, of course). | 17:38 |
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| jeroin | yes, i know, but this is always the case; if i import sth big from USA i needto pay import tax whereas if i buy a CD i don't have to | 17:39 |
| jeroin | i bought my Zaurus from Japan, and since it was flagged as gift, i didn't have to pay any import tax | 17:39 |
| jeroin | if you go on vacation to US its a nice opportunity, because you can send yourself a gift from there... if you know someone who works at military those transfers also don't require VAT, and then its US ground only you need to pay.. | 17:40 |
| t_s_o | :S | 17:40 |
| jeroin | anyway lets say someone from Switserland sends me CDs, does he or i need to pay VAT then? | 17:41 |
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| t_s_o | to tell the truth, no clue, as im not familiar with your local import laws. but i would guess there are some items and minimum sums that do not get taxed in import... | 17:42 |
| monkeywraith | mangofusion, asciitable.com was a good idea, but none of the codes match, they give different characters than on the ascii table. | 17:42 |
| MangoFusion | probably looking for a different set | 17:43 |
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| MangoFusion | hmm | 17:43 |
| jeroin | in NL minimum sum is 22 EUR excl S&H | 17:43 |
| jeroin | i can buy for 100 USD CDs in USA, still dont need to pay import tax | 17:43 |
| MangoFusion | try http://jrgraphix.net/research/unicode_blocks.php | 17:43 |
| RST38h | jeroin: here is what the law USUALLY says | 17:43 |
| jeroin | maybe they don't do this cause they like i buy CDs? :) lol | 17:43 |
| RST38h | jeroin: If you are a foreigner and you buy something in a country with VAT | 17:44 |
| RST38h | jeroin: You can usually get that money returned to you at the special office in the airport, as long as you have a receipt | 17:44 |
| RST38h | This is how it works in UK and Taiwan, AFAIK | 17:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | jeroin, you BUY cd's? :O :p | 17:44 |
| jeroin | i see, thanks | 17:45 |
| summatusmentis | WHY?!? | 17:45 |
| monkeywraith | mangofusion, the codes on that site are also listed on the first and do not work. the raw code requires a 3 digit decimal number, unicode is 2 digit hex it would seem | 17:46 |
| * RST38h buys CDs too | 17:46 | |
| jeroin | so lets say i buy sth from USA, i pay VAT, and i receive this in package.. then i need to travel 4 hours to my airport (Schiphol) and 4 hours back to get the VAT amount back? Geez... :o) | 17:46 |
| RST38h | At $3..$4 they are not very expensive to buy and save download time | 17:47 |
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| RST38h | jeroin: One more time | 17:47 |
| RST38h | jeroin: In the US you DO NOT PAY VAT | 17:47 |
| RST38h | There is no VAT in the US | 17:47 |
| jeroin | ahh i see | 17:47 |
| RST38h | You pay SALES TAX. And you only pay it at the point of sale | 17:47 |
| RST38h | And if you mailorder, you USUALLY do not pay sales tax | 17:48 |
| RST38h | Exception is when you order from the same state where mailorder company is | 17:48 |
| RST38h | OR when you order from some anal-retentive state which always takes sales tax | 17:48 |
| t_s_o | in other words, usa, the nation specifically set up to give the corps all the win... | 17:49 |
| RST38h | Well, I do not see how this is related to corporate perks | 17:49 |
| monkeywraith | t_s_o, very accurate assessment | 17:49 |
| RST38h | These are federal taxes (VAT) or state taxes (US sales tax) | 17:50 |
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| Italodance | Kung.Fu.Panda.TS.XViD-mVs | 17:51 |
| Italodance | :D | 17:51 |
| RST38h | feh | 17:52 |
| * RST38h doesn't even pirate MPAA movies | 17:52 | |
| RST38h | Too boring, mostly special effects nowadays, no story | 17:52 |
| summatusmentis | RST38h: where do you get CDs for $3-4 ? | 17:52 |
| RST38h | summa: Any street kiosk | 17:52 |
| GAN800 | not having to pay sales tax on everything seems to benefit consumers more than 'corporations'. :/ | 17:53 |
| RST38h | I can get semiofficial copies, released specifically for Russian market, for ~$10..$15 | 17:53 |
| RST38h | (this is DVD) | 17:53 |
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| summatusmentis | CDs here cost like $12-$25 | 17:53 |
| Italodance | who know a music player with equalizer for IT? | 17:54 |
| RST38h | If CDs cost this much here, nobody would buy them | 17:54 |
| Italodance | RST38h are u russian? | 17:54 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Italodance, xmms | 17:54 |
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| RST38h | Italo: yes, by place of birth | 17:54 |
| Italodance | qwerty12_N800 xmms didn't work good on my IT,hasn't an Icon on menu and only run with xterm and in the small size :( | 17:55 |
| Italodance | RST38h so do u have access to R5 sources? | 17:55 |
| RST38h | What is R5? | 17:56 |
| qwerty12 | I don't thin RST38h is in the scene ;) | 17:56 |
| Italodance | RST38h Bah! | 17:57 |
| Italodance | qwerty12 hehe yes | 17:57 |
| RST38h | If you are asking whether I am a pirate, I am not | 17:57 |
| Italodance | RST38h i didn't said! nothing! | 17:58 |
| Italodance | qwerty12 ur xmms has an icon in the menu? and it's in full size? | 17:58 |
| summatusmentis | people still use xmms? why? | 17:59 |
| qwerty12 | all xmms has a icon in the menu after restarting and I just put on doublesize | 17:59 |
| RST38h | xmms is nice | 17:59 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, Believe me, there aren't that much great music players for the tablet | 17:59 |
| Italodance | qwerty12 ? restarting the IT device after install? | 18:00 |
| RST38h | works most of the time, does not get in a way - more than I can say about most newer players | 18:00 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: and xmms is considered good? | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | Italodance, yes | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, yes | 18:00 |
| summatusmentis | urgh... | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | Apart from the interface quirks | 18:00 |
| summatusmentis | what about canola? | 18:01 |
| summatusmentis | or canola2, it doesn't look bad | 18:01 |
| Italodance | qwerty12 ummm don't know,i wish u told me sooner ,i need to reinstall it again but the size is big? | 18:01 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, Canola's good but XMMS is a bit more hardcore. Like XMMS has it's eq and it can work with a bluetooth headset etc. Canola can too via mplayer come think of it. | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | Italodance, eh? | 18:02 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: I just never liked xmms :) | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | I don't mind it on the tablet :) (ofc on the computer, I'd never touch it, way outdated) :P | 18:04 |
| qwerty12 | I don't mind xmms2 too but mpd just seems nicer to me imho. | 18:04 |
| Italodance | what is xmms-sid-0.8.0beta17_armel.deb ? | 18:05 |
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| qwerty12 | A plugin to play old games sound files or summat like that | 18:05 |
| Italodance | ok | 18:05 |
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| Italodance | qwerty12 ur xmms is so cool http://i27.tinypic.com/213gidh.png but i heard some problems and hang on it? isn't it? | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | No hanging, just looks ugly with 2 xmms's showing. | 18:09 |
| qwerty12 | I need to look into the source code again for something. | 18:09 |
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| summatusmentis | qwerty12: it plays that horrible music? Just another reason to not use xmms :-D | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, but it shows xmms expandability :P | 18:13 |
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| GAN800 | Horrible music?! | 18:15 |
| qwerty12 | Sid always = horrible/crap music :P | 18:15 |
| GAN800 | There's summat wrong with you summatusmenti | 18:15 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmental... | 18:15 |
| qwerty12 | (not that I think that of course :P) | 18:16 |
| qwerty12 | I've finished making my fixes to carwhisperer. I'll take a look now at the shitty derived bluez provided by nokia. | 18:16 |
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| GAN800 | HAVA really needs to fix the sync issues. . . . | 18:20 |
| qwerty12 | Is it a HAVA thing or a Epson thing? | 18:20 |
| GAN800 | HAVA thing, audio gets desynced after about 20 minutes. | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | Ow, not good >.< | 18:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Known issue, but they say it desyncs after 2 hours. | 18:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Gotta kill it and restart | 18:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | but it takes about 20 seconds to connect. :\ | 18:22 |
| qwerty12 | my mplayer is kinda odd, I'm watching something and in about 20 mins it starts stuttering. I have to close the video down and open it up again :/ | 18:22 |
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| MangoFusion | 0_0 | 18:23 |
| Veggen | mmm, how is diablo coming around? | 18:26 |
| qwerty12 | I need to grab the RC2 binary again. I'll create a patch based on ssvb's RC1 .28 myself instead of waiting for Bundyo and grab the latest SVN and patch it. | 18:26 |
| qwerty12 | Not bad, if I had N810, I would be using my GPS a lot more because of A-GPS | 18:26 |
| Veggen | I'm sort of waiting for microB to be at least as good as in chinook to take the plunge. | 18:26 |
| Veggen | the browser is sort of important. | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | Be prepared to wait a long time. | 18:27 |
| GAN800 | and broken in Diablo right now. :/ | 18:27 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: is there a way to backport a-gps? | 18:27 |
| GAN800 | Hopefully we can grab the svn after release. | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, no. lets just say I tried with someone and failed. | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | Will browserd be opensource? | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | That's my main question. | 18:28 |
| GAN800 | Seems . . . unlikely | 18:28 |
| GAN800 | but who knows | 18:28 |
| summatusmentis | browserd being some browser back-end? | 18:28 |
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| GAN800 | Sorta provides maemo-launcher like functions for micron | 18:30 |
| GAN800 | We'll know more when release comes and we get timeless's badass changelog. | 18:30 |
| Veggen | Can you install diablo to a memory card and multi-boot? | 18:30 |
| summatusmentis | when is release expected? or do we have any idea? | 18:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2 weeks to 2 months | 18:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Veggen, of course. | 18:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's basically just Chinook with bugfixes. ;) | 18:31 |
| qwerty12 | You can extract the diablo debs to get a rootfs. | 18:32 |
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| Italodance | EA.Sports.FIFA.08.v1.0.30.N-GAGE.SymbianOS9.1.Cracked-BiNPDA | 18:37 |
| Italodance | great :D | 18:37 |
| Italodance | i want to contact EA For Making games for IT | 18:40 |
| qwerty12 | Wait for Nokia to get off their asses first and pay the PowerVR guys. | 18:40 |
| GAN800 | <_< | 18:40 |
| GAN800 | MAX PAYNE LOLOLOLOLO | 18:41 |
| GAN800 | qwerty12, apparently the drivers suck ass. | 18:41 |
| qwerty12 | They may do but they may still open up more opportunities :) | 18:41 |
| GAN800 | Did you hear the word from LinuxTag re PowerVR | 18:42 |
| qwerty12 | No | 18:42 |
| qwerty12 | iirc anyway :/ | 18:42 |
| GAN800 | they've been working on it, but the drivers suck and there isn't a lot of hope for OMAP2420 | 18:43 |
| GAN800 | But things are looking up moving forward | 18:43 |
| qwerty12 | Ah :(. Thanks. | 18:43 |
| qwerty12 | At least my headset is carwhisperer proof >_> | 18:43 |
| GAN800 | They seem to be working on accelerated interfaces, too. | 18:43 |
| lardman | As the General said, the drivers are poor quality | 18:43 |
| lardman | it sounded like they wouldn't want to use them for a release, but I'm hopeful we might be able to get hold of them for developers | 18:44 |
| lardman | if we're lucky | 18:44 |
| GAN800 | 'least, that's how I understood it second-hand-second-hand. ;) | 18:44 |
| lardman | I was sat there | 18:44 |
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| lardman | :) | 18:44 |
| Navi | And have the community complain about them sucking | 18:44 |
| lardman | but still a subjective/hopeful view on my part | 18:44 |
| Navi | ZOMG I M GETTING IPHONE NOW PVR DRVRS SUCK | 18:44 |
| lardman | Navi: That's the issue with releasing anything alpha/beta | 18:45 |
| Navi | :P | 18:45 |
| GAN800 | Good, get an iPhone. :P | 18:45 |
| Screaming | morning | 18:45 |
| Screaming | I have a few observation people don't appear to have noticed.. | 18:45 |
| lardman | we need to persuade them that they won't get bad publicity/lots of bugs against such alpha/beta things | 18:45 |
| Navi | Cool, fire away. | 18:45 |
| Screaming | 1) You do NOT need fanoush's initfs(clever and nice though it is) | 18:46 |
| Navi | lardman, they already get bad publicity/lotsobugs against such alpha/beta things | 18:46 |
| Screaming | The simple command | 18:46 |
| Screaming | chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool -R mmc | 18:47 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, people know. | 18:47 |
| lardman | Navi: In which case we probably won't get them then :( | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | You can even set the default root device with flasher. | 18:47 |
| Screaming | will try to boot from the first mmc partition found to have an | 18:47 |
| GAN800 | But the initfs has other advantages. | 18:47 |
| Screaming | executable /sbin/init. | 18:47 |
| Screaming | The advantage of using this approach is that it doesn't break | 18:48 |
| Screaming | when you reflash | 18:48 |
| Screaming | chroot /mnt/initfs /sbin/fdisk /dev/xyz | 18:48 |
| GAN800 | Learn how to use the flasher. ;) | 18:49 |
| Screaming | beats the rootsfs sfdisk easily | 18:49 |
| GAN800 | It doesn't _need_ to break. | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | The default initfs will never let you boot of a 3rd or 4th partition. | 18:49 |
| Screaming | Unless you chmod /sbin/initfs thethers | 18:50 |
| Screaming | s/thetheees | 18:50 |
| Screaming | *others | 18:50 |
| GAN800 | If you're flashing, you probably don't want to boot from the card anyway. . . . | 18:50 |
| Screaming | Pull the card out | 18:50 |
| Screaming | 3) Most of penguinbait's kde can be used (apart from the cups | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | why the **** did nokia feel the need to rape bluez? | 18:51 |
| Screaming | printing stuff) DIRECTLY within Nokia matchbox. You will | 18:51 |
| Navi | I like rapeage | 18:51 |
| Screaming | need make a few (/usr/local/kde and /usr/local/qt | 18:51 |
| Screaming | mainly) to do it and konqueror on the standard Nokia | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | Navi, I REALLY don't. A brilliant decision from the guys at nokia again, I congratulate you. | 18:52 |
| Screaming | interface REALLY ROCKS! | 18:52 |
| WorkingOnWise | GAN800: good orning. I used xp to fix the fat partition in my card, but then the app manager kept saying it failed to connect, and for me to check my network connection. I finally just reimaged the card. now it fine except for the 100mb of apps I have to install! | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | I'm off to compile a bluez with a hcid that isn't fucked up by nokia. | 18:52 |
| Screaming | +symlnks | 18:52 |
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| Screaming | nite guyz. PS I support the Community elections...one unified voice really will help. | 18:56 |
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| pupnik_ | opengl would be so much fun | 18:56 |
| Navi | MMK | 18:56 |
| GAN800 | Vote yes on proposition 242 | 18:56 |
| Navi | Woo, prop 242 | 18:57 |
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| pupnik_ | what is that? | 18:57 |
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| Navi | The proposition to outlaw gay marriages in the community, duh. | 18:58 |
| GAN800 | Bad joke following the community election support. ;) | 18:58 |
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| RST38h | Legalize group gay marriages! | 19:04 |
| RST38h | [and allow including pets into the group] | 19:04 |
| qwerty12 | 0.O | 19:05 |
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| qwerty12 | I've posted the carwhisperer I've compiled and worked on. My biggest annoyance is Nokia's hcid not listening to pin_helper option in hcid.conf: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=189599 | 19:11 |
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| Jeff1f | rhapsody really makes you work to cancel a subscription | 19:13 |
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| lamia | KotCzarny: :o | 19:23 |
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| pupnik_ | it will be interesting to see how pandora delivers powerVR SGX drivers | 19:28 |
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| pupnik_ | http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=42442 debate on the drivers | 19:32 |
| MangoFusion | bah, who needs accelerated graphics anyway. i like my choppy graphics | 19:33 |
| t_s_o | hmm, where is the apt config file parked? | 19:33 |
| qwerty12 | Depends on what you want. I look in /etc/apt , /var/lib/dpkg, /var/lib/apt usually. | 19:34 |
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| t_s_o | figured i should do something with that silly timeout... | 19:34 |
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| WorkingOnWise | does anyone run the VMWare image for Maemo development on a Vista box succesfully? | 19:36 |
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| pupnik_ | is qt going to bring some accelerated rendering? | 19:43 |
| * pupnik_ wonders about new flashiness in future gui | 19:43 | |
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| pupnik_ | http://quozl.linux.org.au/apt-walkabout/ interesting for maemo - apt on removable media (by good old quozl) | 19:50 |
| Dekaritae | I have linux | 19:52 |
| summatusmentis | pupnik_: so.... how is this any different than using CDs for your repos(aside from having update packages) | 19:52 |
| summatusmentis | Dekaritae: congratulations :-P | 19:53 |
| qwerty12 | Heh | 19:53 |
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| Dekaritae | Running DSL with Qemu over Windows | 19:53 |
| Dekaritae | I have the flasher-3 and the OS2008 image saved to a folder, and I can't figure out how to access it from the DSL imag | 19:53 |
| t_s_o | pupnik_: as in, doing install via apt from physical media? | 19:54 |
| Dekaritae | My N800 is stuck in a reboot loop and I'm trying to reflash it | 19:55 |
| summatusmentis | I don't know how qemu works really, I assume you're going to need to download the OS2008 image inside of the qemu image, and then figure out USB stuff, so that the qemu image can flash your device | 19:56 |
| summatusmentis | (easier option might be to flash from windows, if it's possible) | 19:56 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, yes and agreed | 19:56 |
| Dekaritae | The Qemu image only has 100MB virtual drive. Smaller than the flasher image | 19:56 |
| qwerty12 | Or just really install linux. | 19:56 |
| Dekaritae | I would like to flash from Windows | 19:56 |
| qwerty12 | So use the windows flash then. | 19:56 |
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| qwerty12 | *flasher | 19:56 |
| Dekaritae | From where? | 19:57 |
| summatusmentis | I would definitely flash with windows, and then wipe windows, and install linux :-D | 19:57 |
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| lcuk | pupnik_, qt contains behaviours and transitions not present in something like gtk. so if its used on a device with those features available the ui itself is very flashy and smooth | 19:57 |
| Dekaritae | Unoption. Work requires Vista | 19:57 |
| qwerty12 | I just dual boot :) | 19:57 |
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| lcuk | (at least that is the impression i got from the stand at linuxtag) | 19:58 |
| summatusmentis | Dekaritae: well then, the other option is something like vmware | 19:58 |
| lcuk | \o/ Yessss by the way, ive cure the final annoyance with the scrolling | 19:58 |
| summatusmentis | but first and foremost, flash your device with windows | 19:58 |
| Dekaritae | Again, from where? Google has not provided a Windows flasher | 19:58 |
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| qwerty12 | There's a link here: http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/2008/01/nokia-n800-how-to-update-n800s-firmware.html | 19:59 |
| Dekaritae | Yay goodbye stupid linux | 20:00 |
| qwerty12 | A bit of an Irony as your tablet runs linux. | 20:01 |
| lcuk | Dekaritae, i believe you are doing it wrong.. | 20:01 |
| Dekaritae | I refer to DSL | 20:01 |
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| pupnik_ | lcuk: what annoyance? cpu throttling? | 20:04 |
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| lcuk | no, the occasional joining of 2 strokes. you draw a stroke, lift stylus and draw another - a 0 pressure terminator is not always sent so it kind sticks. ive just limited the range between valid data points in a stroke so now if something comes that too far apart its terminates and is considered the start of a new stroke | 20:05 |
| lcuk | the effect has been seen in numerous applications and usually when the cpu is busy | 20:06 |
| pupnik_ | yes i think mypaint also | 20:08 |
| lcuk | and i also know why my battery outlasted everyones at linuxtag even though i use performance power mode :) | 20:08 |
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| pupnik_ | why? | 20:09 |
| Dekaritae | Yay Flasher works | 20:09 |
| lcuk | screen brightness - it last the entire day of usage now - i installed acmonitor and it dims the screen 2 notches when im on battery | 20:09 |
| lcuk | i brightened it to full last night and the battery drained whilst playing last night for the first time | 20:10 |
| * qwerty12 <3's acmonitor | 20:10 | |
| * lcuk has tweaked it to also adjust the cputhrottling but i dont appear to even need that anymore | 20:10 | |
| lcuk | right, tea time :D | 20:11 |
| qwerty12 | I really need to figure out how to use your cpufreq code :( | 20:11 |
| lcuk | back in a bit | 20:11 |
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| lcuk | lol qwerty, i've got something in mind about that and other stuff, but i need a proper think and a discussion with rm | 20:12 |
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| qwerty12 | heh :) | 20:13 |
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| qwerty12 | lardman, you around? :) | 20:17 |
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| Dekaritae | I probably should have done this to begin with I bought it second hand and I don't know what kinds of crap she did to it | 20:20 |
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| lardman | qwerty12_N800: yes | 20:22 |
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| lardman | qwerty12_N800: Coming and going, about to eat, and helping to cook, etc. | 20:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | seems I got a bit excited and overlooked something. as soon as I fix the pin problem, there should be working carwhisperer | 20:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah | 20:23 |
| lardman | ah, good stuff :) | 20:24 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I have no idea which program is calling the standard maemo pair dialog :/. I've compiled a clean hcid thinking it was that to no avail :/ | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | dbus listener? | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | i know hcid interacts with dbus atleast, i think | 20:26 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | You may be right, i did see dbus popping up. | 20:27 |
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| Dekaritae | Which repository hosts the 12 and 14 point themes? | 20:37 |
| Dekaritae | Nvm, I find | 20:37 |
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| oilink1 | senores, what os2008 application would be good for receiving the stream which linux sopcast client pushes out? | 21:06 |
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| zerosum | I need a good timer application for my n800 | 21:06 |
| zerosum | any suggestions | 21:06 |
| jeroin | sleep | 21:07 |
| zerosum | something that can count down 5 min 1 | 21:07 |
| jeroin | sleep | 21:07 |
| jeroin | TeaTimer | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | zerosum: "egg timer" exists too | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | i think | 21:07 |
| jeroin | bc | 21:07 |
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| oilink1 | mplayer can recieve the h264 (368*294) stream, but I suppose the cpu can not cope with the speed | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | h.264 is a terrible choice. | 21:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and mplayer actually handles it worse than Media player. | 21:18 |
| oilink1 | media player gives error that clip is corrupted | 21:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | mpeg4 is the way to go. | 21:19 |
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| oilink1 | can not help. the stream from the sopcast client is what it is. | 21:20 |
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| bmidgley | lardman I wasn't paying attention to this window :( | 21:26 |
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| lardman | bmidgley: no worries | 21:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, I tried and tried but I cannot figure out the pairing device dialog thing. So you will have to enter the default passcodes manually :/. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20780&goto=newpost Plus a better port of SoX is needed... | 21:29 |
| lardman | bmidgley: I do have a couple of questions though | 21:29 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: post to the dev list and ask about it too | 21:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, will do tommorow, ta | 21:30 |
| lardman | bmidgley: namely, I see that 256bytes of data are passed to the encoder at a time, is this the limit? | 21:30 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: I look forward to trying it out :) | 21:30 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, uninstall it when you are done :) (the original hcid.conf will be restored) and be prepared to memorise and guess the default passcodes :/. bluez-utils-test is needed too. | 21:32 |
| bmidgley | lardman I'm not sure about the limit | 21:32 |
| bmidgley | where do you see that | 21:32 |
| lardman | just that's what I get passed around by the codec | 21:32 |
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| lardman | I just wanted to be able to allocate some buffer <2048 8bit bytes long | 21:32 |
| pupnik | http://ca.youtube.com/user/zodttd playstation on the pandora devboard | 21:33 |
| Italodance | hehe i am seeing many people has problem with charge on nxxx | 21:33 |
| Italodance | lol | 21:33 |
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| lardman | pupnik: sounds cool :) what's the fps? | 21:33 |
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| summatusmentis | *sigh* I should sleep more | 21:35 |
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| bmidgley | lardman that shouldn't be a problem | 21:37 |
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| lardman | I've got the dsp working with the standard sbcenc code, no changes in that code, just some #defines in sbc.c | 21:38 |
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| lardman | it also falls back to using sw decoding if the dsp fails for some reason | 21:38 |
| lardman | it just gets stuck at the end of the stream, trying to debuf that | 21:38 |
| lardman | so hopefully it will then simply drop in to the ALSA/GStreamer stuff (he says) | 21:39 |
| bmidgley | nice... I'll ping the Brazilian who wanted to do sbc on the dsp | 21:39 |
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| bmidgley | he's a dsp programmer | 21:39 |
| bmidgley | lardman what about dsp crashing? :) | 21:40 |
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| lardman | oh I've fixed that, I was trying to destroy my thread twice over | 21:40 |
| lardman | in fact I've rewritten the code so it doesn't use a thread at all now | 21:40 |
| lardman | as the sbc encoder is happy to work with no state data passed in from the stream | 21:40 |
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| pupnik | Lardman: software-only rendering right now zodttd: "Got the boards running stable at 900Mhz (925 on some) and hit 200fps in FF7 once!" | 21:41 |
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| lardman | pupnik: sounds pretty good :) | 21:42 |
| bmidgley | lardman you still keep internal state right? | 21:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, that's from the OMAP3530? | 21:43 |
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| lardman | bmidgley: yes, but the encoder is quite happy to continue on its way and just be fed chunks of data | 21:44 |
| lardman | bmidgley: unlike some decoders which are a pita | 21:44 |
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| pupnik | GeneralAntilles: yes | 21:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn | 21:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's . . . overclockable. | 21:45 |
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| lardman | hmm, for some reason the last chunk of decoded data is not being returned | 21:46 |
| lardman | glass of wine might fix it, bbiab | 21:46 |
| pupnik | lol | 21:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | They ship at 600MHz, right? | 21:46 |
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| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: you have a $20 data plan w/ at&t right? | 21:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 21:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | MediaMAX 200 | 21:52 |
| summatusmentis | hmm... do you know anyone who's tried the $6 t-mobile wap plan? | 21:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There's probably a thread on itT somewhere. | 21:53 |
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| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: good point, thanks | 21:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, I think it works fine, but limited to port 80. | 21:58 |
| pupnik | http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/8895/gleshot7qi0.png ooh tiinus has opengl acceleration afaict | 21:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're shorter than I remember. :P | 22:00 |
| pupnik | yeah personally i don't like stretching | 22:00 |
| * pupnik is so far behind where he wanted to be in june 2008 | 22:01 | |
| t_s_o | a PS1/PSX emulator?! | 22:02 |
| * qwerty12_N800 sets n00b mode | 22:03 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | to post a new thread on maemo-developers, i send my email to maemo-developers@maemo.org right? | 22:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 22:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | and make sure you hit "reply all" (or "reply to list") when replying. :P | 22:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | meh, my psp with m33 plays them brilliantly | 22:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, duuuuh. | 22:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | The PSP is basically a PS2. :P | 22:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Heh, thanks :) | 22:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I've never used a mailing list before. | 22:07 |
| pupnik | n800 will get decent ps1 emulation - no telling when though | 22:07 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | So... where's my ps2 games then? :p | 22:09 |
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| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: can i ask what you pay a month? Is that $40 voice + $20 data? | 22:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | $50/mo family plan, plus $5 for my line and $20 more for data. | 22:11 |
| summatusmentis | oh, well that's not bad then | 22:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3-line plan, so $120/mo or so after taxes (my mother has an iPhone for $20 more of data). | 22:12 |
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| summatusmentis | 7but you only pay the $25, so that's decent | 22:15 |
| summatusmentis | I'm currently on a USCC family plan, where ach additional line is $10 | 22:15 |
| summatusmentis | you have to pay out the ass for data, and there's no data roaming agreement with sprint, so I couldn't use the data plan at school anyway | 22:16 |
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| pupnik | OpenedHand has a neat UI framework that uses OpenGL / OpenGL ES - http://clutter-project.org/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxS-O5bi2Xc | 22:24 |
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| lardman|afk | pupnik: clutter? | 22:26 |
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| hans-castorp | yo has anyone used pygst? | 22:27 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | does anyone know if alsa/bluez has had some a2dp improvments upstream? the bluez in diablo is older from official from what I can see. | 22:32 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: it does have some improvements yes | 22:32 |
| lardman | what version do you see? | 22:32 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I'm just checking the versions... | 22:33 |
| lardman | http://bluez.cvs.sourceforge.net/bluez/utils/ChangeLog?view=markup | 22:35 |
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| qwerty12-N800 | sorry, n800 crapped out when running apt-cache 8-) | 22:36 |
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| pupnik | http://butterfeet.org/?p=26 a scaling Xephyr using GL | 22:39 |
| qwerty12-N800 | lardman, my n800 with latest diablo says 3.28. 3.32 is available | 22:40 |
| pupnik | also http://dodji.blogspot.com/2007/10/xephyr-xvideo-and-gl-has-landed.html | 22:40 |
| lardman | I'm working from.31 | 22:40 |
| lardman | got to go, being called. Will check backlog a bit later :) | 22:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | This Nvidia Tegra nosense is getting out of hand. | 22:41 |
| qwerty12-N800 | I assume libbluetooth2 is the maemo equivalent of bluez-libs? | 22:42 |
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| qwerty12-N800 | Hmm, so anyway, our version of bluez is 3.28 and 3.32 is available. Does bluez maintain a changelog anywhere? | 22:46 |
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| kkrusty | any way I could get a program for scheduling tasks? something like cron | 22:51 |
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| qwerty12-N800 | cron is on timeless's repo | 22:51 |
| kkrusty | can you tell me where timeless's repo is? | 22:52 |
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| qwerty12-N800 | check gronmayer for something like daylessday, cannot remember exactly | 22:53 |
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| kkrusty | right. thanks | 22:54 |
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| qwerty12-N800 | hmm, "Release of bluez-libs-3.32 and bluez-utils-3.32. This release fixes some bugs in the input and audio support and removes more obsolete code. The Bluetooth helper library also got more client and server support." - Is it worth it porting it to os2008 ( I don't mean straight compile but making a patch for it to be compatible with the osso stuff? | 22:57 |
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| pupnik | good grief | 23:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fun day for Freenode. | 23:04 |
| kkrusty | is the a specific name for timeless's repo? | 23:05 |
| kkrusty | because I cant find it in gronmayer | 23:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | kkrusty, go here: http://gronmayer.com/it/ | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Make sure you're on OS2008 | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Type "cron" in the search box | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | it comes right up. | 23:06 |
| kkrusty | GeneralAntilles: right! sorry for my idiocity | 23:07 |
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| qwerty12-N800 | wtf is up freenode | 23:18 |
| qwerty12-N800 | *with freenode | 23:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol | 23:19 |
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| MangoFusion | somebody must have forgotten to pay the bills | 23:20 |
| AStorm | whee | 23:20 |
| AStorm | splitty day | 23:20 |
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| hans-castorp | ahh hah. sweet success | 23:26 |
| hans-castorp | gstreamer pwned | 23:26 |
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| Dekaritae | Have noticed some albums do not show in Media Player correctly | 23:30 |
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| shackan | does the gps receiver work when inside a pocket or a bag too? | 23:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which? | 23:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | N810 or Bluetooth? | 23:44 |
| shackan | both | 23:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | N810 will probably hold a lock, but not acquire one in a pocket. | 23:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | A good Bluetooth receiver almost certainly will. | 23:44 |
| shackan | and bt ? | 23:44 |
| lcuk | dont talk wet, it will do | 23:45 |
| AStorm | it will acquire, but after a long time | 23:45 |
| lcuk | it just takes forever | 23:45 |
| AStorm | some minutes | 23:45 |
| AStorm | if you're moving slowly, it acquires a lock somewhat faster | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | My MTK-based i-blue holds one or acquires one just fine indoors, outdoors, in a bag, in a pocket, wherever. | 23:45 |
| AStorm | (not staying in place) | 23:45 |
| lcuk | the proximity of your umm satellites might however intefere if they are large enough | 23:45 |
| shackan | but, once you got a lock, would it receive coordinates from inside a pocket? | 23:46 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: care to point out one working with Maemo? | 23:46 |
| AStorm | shackan: easily | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | One what? | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bluetooth GPS? | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like, all of them. | 23:46 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: hmm :> | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why wouldn't it work? | 23:46 |
| AStorm | any nice, small, battery powered, inexpensive | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | They've worked just fine since forever. | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any of the i-blues | 23:46 |
| AStorm | AND with good signal? | 23:46 |
| shackan | AStorm: and what if I'm on a bus? | 23:46 |
| AStorm | mhm | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | some of the Holux | 23:46 |
| AStorm | shackan: it should hold, if you're close to window | 23:46 |
| AStorm | anyway, it regains signal really well | 23:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, there's about a thousand threads on itT dating back to 2006. | 23:47 |
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| AStorm | again... | 23:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I like the i-blue 737 | 23:47 |
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| shackan | AStorm: close as in first row (the window facing one) or second row (corridor facing) would be enough? | 23:47 |
| AStorm | definitely | 23:48 |
| AStorm | remember that chasis acts like a faraday cage | 23:48 |
| AStorm | anyway, good GPS will easily get signal in a car ;P | 23:48 |
| shackan | good | 23:49 |
| shackan | what about battery life for the BT ones? | 23:49 |
| qwerty12-N800 | Got a q, on a US tablet with os2008, does a rhapsody option exist in my selection like gizmo + skype? | 23:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | 20-28 hours on Bluetooth GPSes | 23:50 |
| AStorm | qwerty12-N800: yes, it should | 23:50 |
| qwerty12-N800 | thanks, i'm looking into cal again. | 23:51 |
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| shackan | GeneralAntilles: good, I commute about 20hrs a week :) | 23:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just charge it over night? | 23:52 |
| AStorm | hmm, any GPS that can be powered by 14V socket? ;P | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're mostly all USB powered. | 23:53 |
| shackan | I already charge the n800 every night, I'd like not to have another thing to plug | 23:53 |
| shackan | GeneralAntilles: oh, usb? OTG too? | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | It takes, what, all of 5 seconds to plug it in? | 23:53 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: I mean, bluetooth ones | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, it wont charge from 100mA | 23:53 |
| shackan | :( | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, yeah, I know, and I answered you on that. | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most Bluetooth GPS units are USB charged. | 23:54 |
| unixSnob | shackan: don't use the sirf star 3 chipset if you want long battery life | 23:54 |
| AStorm | mhm | 23:54 |
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| lcuk | astorm, should not be difficult to get yourself some power in the glovebox and just let the gps live there logging continuously (with aerial extension if required) | 23:54 |
| unixSnob | There's a gps chipset out there that's very lean on battery consumption.. it's called MFK or something like that | 23:54 |
| shackan | unixSnob: of course you pay a premium on that right? | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | MTK | 23:55 |
| AStorm | not that much | 23:55 |
| unixSnob | right.. MTK | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | i-blue and Holux are MTK | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | You don't pay a premium | 23:55 |
| AStorm | it's somewhat worse than Sirfs, but excellent anyway | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | No it isn't, AStorm. | 23:55 |
| AStorm | oh really? | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Every direct comparison I've seen has placed in on par or somewhat better. | 23:55 |
| lcuk | people should also consider doing the same with a mobile phone, emergency payg phone with some credit | 23:55 |
| unixSnob | well, I have a holux that is sirf star -- so it may be model dependant | 23:55 |
| AStorm | :> | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | and way better as far as battery life goes. | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I have two i-blues | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | one just stays in the car and plugs into the included cigarette charger. | 23:56 |
| shackan | woot, $45 on amazon, that's less than 30eu | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be warned, though, the temperatures in a car will nuke the battery in the GPS. | 23:56 |
| AStorm | shackan: no delivery to EU, fail ;) | 23:56 |
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| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: that's why I'd prefer NiMH | 23:57 |
| AStorm | these are hardy | 23:57 |
| AStorm | and replacable | 23:57 |
| shackan | I don't have a car anyway :P | 23:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, but they don't hold a charge. | 23:57 |
| unixSnob | shackan: motorcycle? | 23:57 |
| shackan | unixSnob: neither | 23:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Read up, bus. | 23:57 |
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| shackan | bus and sneakers | 23:58 |
| shackan | and train | 23:58 |
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| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: uhm, they hold well enough for me | 23:59 |
| unixSnob | hmm.. if you're carrying it on your person, then you want *small*, in which case the Holux gpslim 240 is the way to go (it's the smallest in the world) | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you charge them frequently. | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | But they wont hold a full charge for more than a few weeks. | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | The gpslim sucks. | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | They break all the time. | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | i-blue 737 fits in a watch pocket just fine. | 23:59 |
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