| qgil | hi there | 00:00 |
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| qgil | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | 00:00 |
| lardman | hi qgil | 00:00 |
| qgil | can someone put this URL in the #maemo topic please? | 00:00 |
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| qgil | also, at least from my point of view https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days has all the pre-agreed tasks in place | 00:01 |
| qgil | please hurry if you want to propose new tasks for the 100 days | 00:01 |
| hrw | hi qgil | 00:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, qgil. | 00:02 |
| qgil | there are some proposals still under discussion: help pushing them if you think they are urgent | 00:02 |
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| qgil | it would be great if someone could do a similar process of creating new pages for the objectives proposed at https://wiki.maemo.org/2010_Agenda | 00:03 |
| qgil | although the time pressure for the 2010 agenda is not so big | 00:03 |
| hrw | hmm.. OSiM.. | 00:03 |
| qgil | lardman, can it be that you haven't sent your expenses? please do it :) | 00:03 |
| lcuk | have you got mine quim? | 00:04 |
| lardman | qgil: Good point, sorry been busy since I got back to work | 00:04 |
| qgil | lcuk: yes, but just saw the email in my mobile - did you send a signed form - scanned or pictured? | 00:04 |
| qgil | hrw: hi, OSIM, yes | 00:05 |
| AStorm | hmmm, I'm not sure if it's possible, but a repository with all the Nokia not yet opened stuff would be great | 00:05 |
| lcuk | took a photo of my signed bill and sent it along with the mail, if you require originals at any time i have a duplicate | 00:05 |
| AStorm | unless it's already done | 00:05 |
| qgil | AStorm: please check the wiki since something along these lines is already proposed | 00:05 |
| AStorm | so that one doesn't have to reflash if he removes a media-player and wants it back for instance | 00:05 |
| AStorm | great! | 00:05 |
| qgil | lcuk: not only the bill, also the form signed by you | 00:06 |
| lcuk | ahhhh no, i will do that and send to you | 00:06 |
| * lcuk goes and prints it | 00:06 | |
| qgil | signatures are important to accountants :) | 00:06 |
| beford | :/ did not work AStorm | 00:06 |
| beford | should I try to reflash it? | 00:06 |
| lcuk | yes of course | 00:06 |
| qgil | alright, late in Helsinki (but still some daylight, amazing) | 00:07 |
| AStorm | beford: hmm, you fixed the partitioning of internal flash? | 00:07 |
| qgil | two things | 00:07 |
| qgil | 1. We *really* want to see you there. You won't regret. | 00:07 |
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| beford | AStorm, yea, I just did that. The original problem is that the devices reboots at start up a couple of times, and then starts normaly | 00:07 |
| beford | normally | 00:07 |
| RST38h | what is the mime type for .install files? | 00:07 |
| qgil | 2. Any berliner/german around? We are looking for a venue (the best candidate wasn't appropriate after all) | 00:07 |
| hrw | qgil: I like OSiM location. Berlin is quite close for me | 00:08 |
| AStorm | beford: hmm, check if battery is loose - seen that then ;> | 00:08 |
| qgil | well, OSiM location is a 5 star hotel, which is a bit overdone for a maemo summit | 00:08 |
| hrw | qgil: hotel is other thing ;) | 00:09 |
| qgil | we have some budget, but we rather spending sponsoring people and food instead of paying for luxury | 00:09 |
| lardman | OSiM sounds good to me, going to be a busy week that one | 00:09 |
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| * pupnik reviews 2010 and 100days | 00:09 | |
| AStorm | hmm, september 19th... sounds nice | 00:09 |
| lardman | X-Fade: You still here? I've got some "proper" news for you now :) | 00:09 |
| AStorm | well, 100days doesn't have what I was thinking about yet | 00:10 |
| qgil | the time is good for us, Berlin is well placed in the map and a business-centric conference can't harm maemo contributors nowadays ;) | 00:10 |
| AStorm | hmm, maybe it's on Identifying_transparency | 00:10 |
| qgil | AStorm: because what you ask for is impossible in 100Days, basically ;) | 00:10 |
| qgil | look the Transparency link and the 2010 agenda | 00:11 |
| AStorm | qgil: well, it's simple | 00:11 |
| * qgil re-reads above | 00:11 | |
| AStorm | just make a binary repository with the .debs that are in the standard flash image | 00:11 |
| pupnik | The journalism experience shows: "In short: It should be friendly, understandable, deliberately incomplete, offer only the very best the community can give at any time." ;) | 00:11 |
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| AStorm | some that are there are nowhere to fetch from | 00:12 |
| lcuk | hmmm incomplete | 00:12 |
| pupnik | yes the poitn being to invite ongoing participation | 00:12 |
| qgil | ah, I see, this is indeed something that nobody have proposed before in the brainstorm as far as I remember | 00:13 |
| hrw | AStorm: for Nokia image which you flash is one package | 00:13 |
| qgil | propose, explain the reasons why and I will look at it - need to ask some people | 00:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll be something of a non-issue with SSU, though, wont it? | 00:13 |
| AStorm | hrw: heh, not exactly - it's built from subpackages, as you can see | 00:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I guess the SSU repo will only contain UPDATED stuff, but eventually that SHOULD be everything. | 00:13 |
| AStorm | yes, that would be it | 00:14 |
| AStorm | hmm, how to phrase it nicely enough for the wiki :-) | 00:14 |
| qgil | I leave this to you :) | 00:14 |
| qgil | time for me to zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz - good night! | 00:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'night, qgil. | 00:14 |
| lcuk | gnite qgil | 00:15 |
| lardman | night | 00:15 |
| AStorm | yes, time for so-called sleep | 00:15 |
| AStorm | night people | 00:15 |
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| beford | night AStorm | 00:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Later | 00:15 |
| beford | I'll try to reflash it | 00:15 |
| RST38h | All right, I am now suporting .install files. Please test http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo/ | 00:17 |
| hrw | hmm.. I need to buy bigger stapler | 00:18 |
| RST38h | All right, I am now supporting .install file generation. Please try fms.komkon.org/Maemo | 00:18 |
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| RST38h | Test | 00:18 |
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| pupnik | xterm: no results :) | 00:18 |
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| pupnik | RST38h: does section and repository need to be selected? | 00:20 |
| pupnik | and why do i keep thinking you're french... | 00:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, what's the difference between the two icons? (intentionally stupid question) | 00:21 |
| RST38h | pupnik: no | 00:21 |
| RST38h | it will be optional when implemented | 00:21 |
| pupnik | what is a known working search term? | 00:21 |
| RST38h | GA: First one downloads .deb directly, second one downloads .install file | 00:21 |
| RST38h | pupnik: fmsx will do | 00:21 |
| RST38h | or canola | 00:21 |
| RST38h | or omweather | 00:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/raw/OS2008/sdlquake/?get_installfile | 00:22 |
| beford | http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo/index.php?Action=list&Platform=OS2008&Arg=%27%22%3E%3Cscript%3Ealert(/xss/)%3C/script%3E xss ftw | 00:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I think the direct .deb download should be featured much less prominently. | 00:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | As it's (by a larger margin) the less preferred method. | 00:22 |
| RST38h | maybe | 00:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | You don't really want newbies clicking it. | 00:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | It should only be there for convenience sake for people who know what they're doing it. | 00:23 |
| pupnik | ok fmsx without OS, section or repository worked. Specifiying OS2007 produced 0 hits. | 00:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rather, I wanted this URL, RST38h: http://maemo.org/midcom-static/style_maemo2007/install_button_small.png | 00:23 |
| pupnik | logically i suppose | 00:23 |
| pupnik | nice resource RST38h | 00:23 |
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| lardman | lcuk: Did Quim want hard-copies or scans? | 00:23 |
| RST38h | beford:beford: is it a hack? | 00:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or this: http://maemo.org/midcom-static/style_maemo2007/install_button.png | 00:23 |
| RST38h | GA: Will put them in | 00:24 |
| lcuk | scan or photo of it printed and signed | 00:24 |
| RST38h | GA: please give me one for download as well | 00:24 |
| lardman | cool, thanks | 00:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That one I haven't got so handy, RST38h. | 00:24 |
| RST38h | GA: Oh you mean the arrow | 00:24 |
| edistar_ | hi there, anyone here who has the OS 2007 HE running and ogg support up? I installed the mogg package but it doesn't seem to work | 00:24 |
| lcuk | i had signed bill and sent that but didnt sign the expenses form | 00:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | At least not maemo-themed. | 00:24 |
| RST38h | GA: I would use it but I need 2 icons of the same size and style at the moment | 00:24 |
| RST38h | Unless I have two, can't use it | 00:25 |
| lardman | lcuk: Cool | 00:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I really would de-emphasize the direct .deb download | 00:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | As it would both free up a column for a wider description field and alleviate newbie confusion. | 00:25 |
| RST38h | Maybe but for now I need both of them | 00:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and sticking with the maemo-icons is a high priority. | 00:26 |
| beford | RST38h, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-site_scripting | 00:26 |
| beford | RST38h, if you have something like a forum, weblog, etc hosted under the same domain, it may allow to some users steal data from other users | 00:27 |
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| lcuk | what can i crop and edit video with? | 00:31 |
| lcuk | ive just done a quick few minutes with my program and i wanna cull the cruft | 00:32 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I've been adding usage information to my templates (see http://wiki.maemo.org/Template:Plan_metadata for example) wrapped in <noinclude>...</noinclude> | 00:32 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, a documentation template for templates is also on my list. | 00:33 |
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| RST38h | beford: I will fix it in a moment | 00:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I wish there were some sort of basic "wikipedia templates and styles" plugin you could add to a mediawiki install. | 00:34 |
| * Jaffa wonders if it's bad etiquette to push his own Community Council idea to the pre-agreed bit of 100Days. qgil's semi-agreed (or caved in), and there's been a few voices of support *and* 11 favourites on the blog post. Still, seems a bit... pushy. | 00:35 | |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: yeah, annoyed I couldn't get a nice styled table in Plan_metadata without doing it all by hand. | 00:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | We need to push as much of the style stuff to a central style sheet as possible. | 00:36 |
| Jaffa | Ah, it was done already in Task:Community_Council, ta GeneralAntilles | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thank qgil | 00:36 |
| Jaffa | Ah, indeed. | 00:36 |
| * Jaffa didn't scroll down far enough in the Recent changes. | 00:37 | |
| * Jaffa goes off to holiday happy now. Well, later. | 00:37 | |
| Jaffa | Spod first. Sleep later. | 00:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have fun, Jaffa. | 00:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Catch yah on the flip side. | 00:37 |
| Jaffa | Oh tomorrow evening when I'm trying to escape my mother-in-law on the layover ;-) | 00:37 |
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| * lcuk uses a hand crank on his internet | 00:47 | |
| GeneralAntilles | This make sense to anybody? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3226 | 00:47 |
| lcuk | yes, the header can then be used in c++ | 00:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Want to put a comment elaborating a bit since the submitter didn't bother? | 00:48 |
| lcuk | another account i dont have? | 00:50 |
| lcuk | this is what i believe he thinks is required: http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/mixing-c-and-cpp.html#faq-32.4 | 00:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, think of it as an opportunity. :P | 00:51 |
| lcuk | no, ive joined too many places tonight/thisweek, the credit line on my password memory is getting low | 00:51 |
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| lcuk | i need to give things time to bed in or i wont remember them | 00:52 |
| * lcuk still waiting for youtube | 00:52 | |
| lcuk | its only 59mb | 00:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | How can you go to maemo conferences and not have a bugzilla account? . . . | 00:54 |
| sp3000 | because the conf registration isn't in bugzilla :P | 00:55 |
| hans-castorp | yeo people | 00:56 |
| sp3000 | GeneralAntilles: re 3226, the submitter is in channel | 00:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | dougt, mind elaborating on #3226? | 00:57 |
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| zpol | hi | 00:57 |
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| rm_you_ | HA back | 00:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, you totally missed X-Fade. | 00:58 |
| rm_you | >_< | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | By, like, miles upon miles upon miles. | 00:58 |
| lcuk | ~lart the internet | 00:58 |
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| rm_you | yeah was gone for like 4 days | 00:58 |
| rm_you | lol | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't find the URL for the Extras access request form, now. :P | 00:59 |
| rm_you | yeah | 00:59 |
| rm_you | >_< | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | So total fail. :P | 01:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, should be in the vicinity of one of your highlights | 01:00 |
| rm_you | >_> | 01:01 |
| rm_you | i dont think my logs go back much further than about yesterday | 01:01 |
| rm_you | if that | 01:01 |
| lcuk | oh shitbags | 01:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, here it is: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php?target=invitation_request | 01:03 |
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| rm_you | I tried to impliment that stuff timeless sent and realized that has nothing to do with my issue, since i'm still almost positive they're somehow getting those GTK slider widgets into a HildonMenu somehow, which is how they get it to look and function that way | 01:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What's the issue when you try to do the same? | 01:10 |
| rm_you | also, i figured i should get the custom list icon working, and figured out that it is seemingly impossible to get custom icons to work | 01:10 |
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| rm_you | i even swapped out the image files for every single applet in the list and it didnt change the image | 01:10 |
| rm_you | for any of them | 01:10 |
| rm_you | it's like they don't even use the images on the filesystem | 01:11 |
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| lcuk | is that a cache issue | 01:11 |
| rm_you | i think the statusbar list images are contained in the flash somewhere | 01:11 |
| rm_you | i rebooted like 4 times... | 01:11 |
| lcuk | which icons do you mean? | 01:11 |
| lcuk | like the power one | 01:11 |
| rm_you | control panel -> panels -> second tab | 01:11 |
| rm_you | the icons that show up next to their names in the list there | 01:12 |
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| rm_you | the .desktop files show the image name to be used | 01:12 |
| rm_you | which are located in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/26x26/hildon/ | 01:12 |
| rm_you | for example, the bluetooth statusbar supposedly uses "/usr/share/icons/hicolor/26x26/hildon/qgn_list_cp_bluetooth.png" in the list | 01:13 |
| rm_you | but i can replace that image with any of the other ones or my own, and it never changes | 01:13 |
| rm_you | even on reboot | 01:13 |
| rm_you | and if i change the image in the .desktop to point to the SAME png file, just renamed, it won't work | 01:13 |
| rm_you | it then just has a blank space and no image | 01:14 |
| rm_you | but if you change the .desktop file to tell it to use a different statusbar applet's image, it changes immediately to that | 01:14 |
| lcuk | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12700 | 01:15 |
| rm_you | it just has to be one of the stock ones | 01:15 |
| dougt | GeneralAntilles: yeah, sorry. | 01:15 |
| lcuk | expand on your frustration on a post there rm, and then if it all gets resolved it can be clarified for the wiki | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | No worries, just want to make sure things that can be fixed get fixed and good bug information is the first step on that path. ;) | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | ls | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | wrong window | 01:16 |
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| rm_you | lol | 01:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Now I've just got to find the tablet I was just sshing into to test out the new CSS. . . . :\ | 01:17 |
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| dougt | GeneralAntilles: updated. | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Looks good, dougt. | 01:28 |
| dougt | yeah, the bug report; not the problem. :-) | 01:28 |
| dougt | not sure if it is in the right component. | 01:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I'm not sure, either. | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I don't have a better answer. ;) | 01:29 |
| dougt | when in doubt, general! | 01:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | OK, I set the milestone and version. If anybody wants to confirm and it ping me, I'll also confirm it. ;) | 01:30 |
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| dougt | is future a bad thing? | 01:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dougt, nah, that should be default. | 01:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Until somebody who can actually do something about it fixes it and tells us which version the fix will be in. | 01:35 |
| dougt | GeneralAntilles: i can fix it, i suppose. I can send a diff of the file correct. | 01:35 |
| * dougt corrected, even. :-) | 01:35 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Providing a patch would be useful. | 01:35 |
| dougt | but I am not sure where in the world it would be checked into. | 01:35 |
| dougt | but it is a pretty trivial fix either way. | 01:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just add the patch as an attachment to the bug | 01:36 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: has anyone filed a bug about the icon thing that you're aware of? | 01:45 |
| rm_you | i guess i'm really asking anyone... | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, rm_you. | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think there's a cache, though. | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | I remember seeing something on itT | 01:45 |
| rm_you | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12700 | 01:45 |
| rm_you | read my post | 01:45 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: https://wiki.maemo.org/MAG:Categorization | 01:46 |
| dneary | I did a bit of work this evening | 01:46 |
| rm_you | this is really making me hate working on maemo stuff >_> | 01:47 |
| jldiaz | hello | 01:47 |
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| jldiaz | I've installed screen for maemo. This is a piece of software I find very useful, and I'm glad that it was "maemized" | 01:48 |
| jldiaz | however, the "official" version has no support for 256 color terminals, which is a pity, because osso-xterm is a 256 color terminal | 01:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Awesome, dneary. | 01:48 |
| rm_you | yes... <3 screen | 01:48 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Gives a clear TODO list for the migration, which we were missing. | 01:49 |
| dneary | Which was my fault :) | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | :P | 01:49 |
| jldiaz | So I tried to compile my own screen, from the sources, in scratchbox | 01:49 |
| jldiaz | but was unable to | 01:49 |
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| jldiaz | I'm thinking now about contact the person wich created the package screen_4.0.3-0.3osso2_armel.deb | 01:50 |
| jldiaz | and asking him to enable the support for 256 colors (it is only a switch in the configure) | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, is there nothing on statusbar icons in the official documentation? | 01:50 |
| jldiaz | according with apt-cache info, the maintainer is maemo integration <integration@maemo.org> | 01:51 |
| rm_you | nope | 01:51 |
| jldiaz | is this a real person? | 01:51 |
| rm_you | i've looked and looked and looked | 01:51 |
| rm_you | they just say "set the desktop file like this" | 01:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Try the mailing list? | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably net you a better response than itT, anyway. | 01:53 |
| lcuk | how long does youtube processing normally take | 01:53 |
| jldiaz | oh | 01:54 |
| jldiaz | silly of me | 01:54 |
| jldiaz | I was trying to compile the standard screen release | 01:54 |
| jldiaz | but now I issued an "apt-get source screen" in the scratchbox | 01:55 |
| jldiaz | and compiled that source code | 01:55 |
| jldiaz | that apparently is patched for osso | 01:55 |
| jldiaz | and it compiles now without problem | 01:55 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUPp_mE7rwI | 01:55 |
| jldiaz | so I can fix myself the 256 color issue! | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=189180&postcount=5 ? | 01:56 |
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| Maximander | How do I install build tools inside maemo dev env? sb2 apt-get install gengetopt doesn't work... | 01:58 |
| rm_you | *(@&$)(% | 01:58 |
| rm_you | oh god now all my icons are screwed up >_< | 01:59 |
| rm_you | ooo advanced backlight icon :P | 01:59 |
| rm_you | yay | 02:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pfft | 02:00 |
| * GeneralAntilles pokes rm_you with a stick. | 02:00 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Feel better now? | 02:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you're such a hooker | 02:00 |
| rm_you | very | 02:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | where's my binaries? :P | 02:00 |
| lcuk | theres an oldish one on my site | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where are my new binaries? :P | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've seen the old one. | 02:01 |
| lcuk | but its way out of date atm, i need real time to work on this and other ideas ive got | 02:01 |
| * lcuk could spend real time actually finalizing features and put energy towards packaging | 02:02 | |
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| lcuk | as it stands right now, everything is going smoothly enough that 10 years of waiting ideas are starting to come out | 02:02 |
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| lcuk | i feel comfortable on this device and with the tools im building around me, and everything i finish leads to the bigger step i see re-opening back up | 02:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd just get a book reader out the door first. | 02:04 |
| lcuk | book reader needs an interface for file selection. that needs an object model to handle it | 02:05 |
| lcuk | sketches are quite good ways to convey quick information so UI elements will be built out of those floating around | 02:06 |
| rm_you | ok, one down | 02:06 |
| rm_you | >_< | 02:06 |
| lcuk | like the menu system, i feel comfortable using it, its quick and simple, but doesnt work for files (I tried) | 02:06 |
| rm_you | ok, now to figure out how to do theme iconsets | 02:08 |
| lcuk | laying out of the sketches is almost a file selector, i was testing the scaling and rendering speed and aspect correctness of drawing and rendering at different resolutions | 02:08 |
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| rm_you | anyone have any first thoughts on how I find out which theme is currently active? (in C) | 02:08 |
| lcuk | goto themes | 02:09 |
| lcuk | it opens with the current one | 02:09 |
| lcuk | -my help | 02:09 |
| rm_you | can I actually do it with a Gtk command or will it be hildon specific? | 02:09 |
| rm_you | lcuk: lol? | 02:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, didn't we figure that out before? | 02:09 |
| lcuk | i missed the (in c) bit, mine was interactive user | 02:09 |
| rm_you | no, because if i can figure THAT out, it's basically done | 02:09 |
| rm_you | yeah, :P | 02:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, we had this discussion about LCARS. | 02:10 |
| rm_you | right | 02:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a Gtk method for it. | 02:10 |
| rm_you | thats what this is for | 02:10 |
| rm_you | right, i don't know what it is :P | 02:10 |
| rm_you | so it IS gtk? | 02:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Search the logs, or something. :P | 02:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think so. | 02:10 |
| rm_you | hildon doesnt do its themes differently? | 02:10 |
| rm_you | like, if i say "what theme are we using" via the GTK command, it'll actually tell me "LCARS"?\ | 02:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 02:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something else uses it. | 02:11 |
| hans-castorp | yeo. does anyone know how to disable matchbox? | 02:11 |
| hans-castorp | so I can boot to the console? | 02:12 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: ah wow, its been a while... just went to add some code for gtk_icon_theme... it's already in there... with a whole "Comin soon!" comment block and a bunch of attempts >_< | 02:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 02:13 |
| rm_you | damn. i havent worked on this in a LONG time have i | 02:13 |
| rm_you | that or i have horrible memory... which i THINK is true... i don't really remember | 02:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's been months. | 02:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Proper theming setup, proper Hildon menu, settings dialog and you're done. | 02:15 |
| rm_you | heh... *proper* theming setup... | 02:16 |
| * rm_you was tempted to hardcore LCARs | 02:16 | |
| GAN800 | Ha | 02:17 |
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| GAN800 | Be nice to see some progress on the adv-connectivity applet. | 02:20 |
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| lcuk | rm_you, do you listen for dbus events and change backlight and stuff according to it | 02:20 |
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| rm_you | lcuk: at the moment, no | 02:20 |
| rm_you | i should... :/ | 02:21 |
| lcuk | are you still writing to the /dev/brightness file or whatever it was | 02:21 |
| rm_you | no | 02:21 |
| lcuk | what method are you using now | 02:21 |
| rm_you | all using DSME for brightness | 02:21 |
| GAN800 | dsme | 02:21 |
| lcuk | cool | 02:21 |
| lcuk | can you get at cpu threshhold modes from in there? | 02:21 |
| rm_you | lcuk: don't know | 02:21 |
| rm_you | DSME is kind of an enigma | 02:21 |
| GAN800 | Be cool if there were a good way of interfacing with the light sensor, too. | 02:22 |
| lcuk | cos i would kinda like to change cpu performance anytime without having to load my program to do it for me | 02:22 |
| rm_you | no, doesnt look like it | 02:22 |
| GAN800 | Put together an applet, then, lcuk. | 02:22 |
| lcuk | though it makes no difference, the cpu on performance and no wifi lasts all day | 02:22 |
| rm_you | http://pastebin.ca/1039899 | 02:23 |
| lcuk | but thats a whole nother step of training gan, | 02:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hijacking adv-backlight will be easy. | 02:23 |
| rm_you | lcuk: ^^ | 02:23 |
| rm_you | lol | 02:23 |
| lcuk | for a very small purpose, meanwhile ive got the functions to change the cpu threshhold, and rm is writing desktop applets, collaboration would be good ;) | 02:24 |
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| rm_you | :P | 02:24 |
| rm_you | I could help out with that i suppose | 02:24 |
| lcuk | im serious, running this on performance makes entire desktop feel snappier | 02:24 |
| rm_you | you want one with a CPU slider? | 02:24 |
| lcuk | its just basically 3 options | 02:24 |
| rm_you | that would be handy for me too | 02:25 |
| rm_you | considering I need to up the CPU to play music over a2dp | 02:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, hopefully not for long. | 02:25 |
| lcuk | powersave (always slow), ondemand (slowish, meant to speed up as required), performance (full speed) | 02:25 |
| rm_you | and right now i do it by changing the scaling file | 02:25 |
| rm_you | lcuk: doable... and could have a real menu :P | 02:25 |
| rm_you | since you don't need crazy widgets | 02:25 |
| rm_you | that wouldnt take too long if you give me the code for changing the cpu speed | 02:26 |
| lcuk | yes, well thats all ive wrapped around, but the functions are clean and know when things need changing :) | 02:26 |
| rm_you | lol | 02:26 |
| rm_you | couldn't you just make them into scripts and add them to osso-statusbar-cpu's menu> | 02:27 |
| rm_you | ? | 02:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | or Personal Menu | 02:27 |
| rm_you | so GeneralAntilles: do you think hardcoding the LCARs iconset would be ok? | 02:28 |
| rm_you | or do we want *proper* theming support | 02:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. :P | 02:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Proper | 02:28 |
| rm_you | i can fo the first one in like... an hour | 02:28 |
| rm_you | the other one, estimated date TBA :P | 02:28 |
| johnx | hey rm_you | 02:29 |
| rm_you | sup johnx | 02:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Package spam for one theme is lame. | 02:29 |
| rm_you | >_> | 02:29 |
| rm_you | well, I remain at a loss | 02:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is it documented in the gtk docs? | 02:29 |
| rm_you | this iconset stuff isn't actually what i wanted | 02:29 |
| rm_you | i think the theme is a Hildon thing not a GTK thing | 02:29 |
| rm_you | iconsets would be like... "hicolor" | 02:29 |
| rm_you | but EVERYTHING is in hicolor | 02:29 |
| rm_you | hildon themes are different | 02:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, is there any open applet whose icon changes with the theme? | 02:30 |
| rm_you | ... | 02:30 |
| johnx | why not look at how the LCARS theme .deb actually does this | 02:31 |
| johnx | ? | 02:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Does what? | 02:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Installs icons? :P | 02:31 |
| johnx | I seem to recall someone saying they just replaced the icons anyways | 02:31 |
| rm_you | johnx: yes, possible | 02:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | The system stuff that doesn't change with the theme. | 02:31 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: HA! | 02:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | But the themable icons are handled by the applets. | 02:31 |
| rm_you | thanks johnx, i have an idea | 02:31 |
| johnx | in which case there isn't really theming support... | 02:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | The statusbar applets handle the theme change on their own. | 02:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | But, for instance, the boot image isn't themable. | 02:32 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: what if: we package iconsets their own debs, right? advanced-backlight-theme-lcars | 02:32 |
| rm_you | right? | 02:32 |
| rm_you | just follow me here | 02:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm following. . . . | 02:32 |
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| rm_you | we have that installer move the old icons to like... ./old/ | 02:33 |
| rm_you | and then just put in the new icons | 02:33 |
| rm_you | WAIT | 02:33 |
| rm_you | no | 02:33 |
| rm_you | new idea | 02:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 02:33 |
| johnx | heh | 02:33 |
| rm_you | there are folders in the icons/adv-backlight/ folder | 02:33 |
| rm_you | original/ | 02:33 |
| * GeneralAntilles starts throwing scissors at rm_you to make it interesting. | 02:33 | |
| rm_you | and then one for each iconset | 02:33 |
| rm_you | right? | 02:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK | 02:33 |
| rm_you | and then a symlink current/ | 02:33 |
| johnx | sure...isn't the hard part detecting theme change? | 02:34 |
| rm_you | and then when i add the options pane, it has a dropdown for each folder of icons | 02:34 |
| lcuk | http://www.pastebin.ca/1039908 | 02:34 |
| rm_you | and it just changes the symlink | 02:34 |
| rm_you | no, the user selects it | 02:34 |
| johnx | ah | 02:34 |
| johnx | fair enough | 02:34 |
| rm_you | it *works* | 02:34 |
| rm_you | most people would accept it probably | 02:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh | 02:34 |
| rm_you | and it actually lets you do other things too | 02:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a perfectly good interface for doing the properly. | 02:34 |
| * johnx agrees | 02:34 | |
| lcuk | john... http://www.youtube.com/v/PUPp_mE7rwI | 02:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | We just need to find somebody who has used it. | 02:35 |
| rm_you | johnx: agrees with me or him? | 02:35 |
| rm_you | :P | 02:35 |
| * johnx agrees with rm_you | 02:35 | |
| rm_you | lol | 02:35 |
| rm_you | k, i'm doing it | 02:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's so dirty. | 02:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | symlink is gross, anyway. | 02:35 |
| rm_you | it's so... useful | 02:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why not just do the selection in the code? | 02:35 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, WTH do you want to do? | 02:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Instead of the filesystem. . . . | 02:35 |
| rm_you | and it's decently clean considering the *alternative* i was discussing | 02:35 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, point | 02:36 |
| rm_you | pff, i guess i could | 02:36 |
| rm_you | fine | 02:36 |
| johnx | lcuk, watched it once. will watch again :) | 02:36 |
| rm_you | but still, that system works for you, right? | 02:36 |
| johnx | rm_you, why not prefix icons with default_foo.png, lcars_foo.png | 02:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, use the proper theme selector so there's no user-interaction involved in picking the correct icon set. ;) | 02:36 |
| pupnik | nice vid lcuk | 02:36 |
| rm_you | johnx: cluttered >_> | 02:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | As a stop-gap, I guess. | 02:36 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, which is fine, unless you *want* a different icon set | 02:36 |
| rm_you | which was my point with "and lets you do other stuff too" :P | 02:37 |
| * rm_you agrees with johnx | 02:37 | |
| lcuk | heh pupnik, i had to get *something* up :) | 02:37 |
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| rm_you | ok... i'm going to... take a shower, and think it over | 02:37 |
| pupnik | you just added text hilighting? | 02:37 |
| rm_you | when i get back i'll start coding | 02:37 |
| lcuk | lol, no its been there all along taunting me - i wanna do it, but ive been refactoring something else | 02:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | The way THAT should be done is that the default setting is to use the current theme's iconset, and that can be overridden in the prefs if the user wants to. | 02:38 |
| lcuk | everytime i scroll past it i think "of yer" | 02:38 |
| lcuk | oh yer | 02:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, whatever, implement it, we'll figure out the correct method later. :P | 02:38 |
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| lcuk | and the bloody big PUPNIK optimise note keeps getting me | 02:38 |
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| pupnik | no worries mate | 02:39 |
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| johnx | lcuk, that is pretty damn slick :D | 02:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Binaries! | 02:40 |
| rm_you | lcuk: does that read text only or can it do pdf? :P | 02:42 |
| pupnik | i took a .ps file to a print shop today and they didn't know what postscript was | 02:42 |
| rm_you | lol | 02:42 |
| pupnik | >_< | 02:42 |
| lcuk | well - as you can see i can render arbitary text at any location and scroll around it, is there a nice pdf parser around which would give me a page model? | 02:42 |
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| lcuk | holy poo pupnik | 02:42 |
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| rm_you | no idea :/ | 02:43 |
| rm_you | ack, right, shower | 02:43 |
| rm_you | also: lcuk: BINARIES | 02:43 |
| lcuk | look hard enough if you are desperate, there is a preprepre release version around somewhere | 02:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 02:43 |
| rm_you | .... | 02:43 |
| rm_you | give us your current binary :P meanie | 02:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, this isn't the Windows world. :P | 02:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | We don't handle not being able to get ahold of stuff very well. | 02:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | and nobody cares if things aren't 100% up to speed. | 02:44 |
| rm_you | pass over the binary before I cry about source :P | 02:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 02:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's the other benefit | 02:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | We'll shut up about sources for a while if you give us binaries. | 02:45 |
| lcuk | well you will have to hold on more, i cant have you lot all creating data and stuff and me having to manage it and have legacy before ive even started. its all being rebuilt | 02:45 |
| rm_you | pft | 02:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 02:45 |
| rm_you | just release with "note: this will break on updates" | 02:45 |
| rm_you | seriously... it's us. | 02:45 |
| rm_you | like we'd care | 02:45 |
| lcuk | i cant, i aim to keep everything im writing | 02:45 |
| * rm_you dies | 02:45 | |
| johnx | an irc log is writing! | 02:45 |
| lcuk | but i must be able to categorize it :) | 02:46 |
| rm_you | ok... lets just say... you accidentally put a binary on a server somewhere | 02:46 |
| johnx | just include this log in the .deb as an example text :D | 02:46 |
| rm_you | and you "accidentally" notice us a link to iut | 02:46 |
| lcuk | 37mb so far john :) from the day i installed xchat to now | 02:46 |
| rm_you | and we "accidentally" download it and lose the link | 02:46 |
| johnx | lcuk, and the tablet has 128MB, so no problem, right ;) | 02:46 |
| lcuk | well, now you mention it, its writing to internal 2gb | 02:47 |
| lcuk | and thats not got too much space available, even less cos of the corruption | 02:47 |
| lcuk | so the clock is ticking for me | 02:47 |
| rm_you | so... upload a binary somewhere temporarily and link us to it, before we start spamming you :P | 02:48 |
| lcuk | rm_you, just putting a binary somewhere wouldnt help | 02:48 |
| rm_you | lol | 02:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk fails at open source. :P | 02:48 |
| rm_you | fine... i'll work on your "patience" thing... | 02:48 |
| lcuk | :) of course | 02:48 |
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| rm_you | i dunno how well that'll work out tho. i can't promise i won't explode | 02:48 |
| * rm_you has wanted a decent bookreader for a long time | 02:48 | |
| rm_you | lcuk: if you give me the source, i could work on PDF support :P | 02:48 |
| * rm_you nudges lcuk | 02:48 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm worried about bookmarking with that weird scrollyness. | 02:49 |
| lcuk | i could port the pdf parser i wrote for vb, but that would just sidetrack me | 02:49 |
| rm_you | lcuk: right. so let me do it | 02:49 |
| lcuk | geniune interest rm? | 02:49 |
| rm_you | I'd work on it, yeah... i really want a decent pdf ebook reader >_< | 02:50 |
| rm_you | it's seriously been annoying me for months | 02:50 |
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| rm_you | and i have a book on my n800 i want to read | 02:50 |
| lcuk | its a rather simplistic graphics library, ive not tested images yet, but it can load a range of fonts and draw them | 02:50 |
| Dekaritae | Yay, less problems now | 02:50 |
| rm_you | but i can't cause of lack of decent bookreader for pdf >_< | 02:50 |
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| lcuk | as you have seen location and positioning is easy - it might work as a library.. | 02:51 |
| Dekaritae | Still can't install apps from maemo.org, but respositories work | 02:51 |
| rm_you | tar cfv source.tar sourcedirectory/ && cp source.tar /var/www/ | 02:51 |
| lcuk | rm, where arey ou | 02:51 |
| rm_you | ? | 02:51 |
| lcuk | location, world | 02:51 |
| rm_you | Washington State, US | 02:51 |
| lcuk | damn, why have i always thought you were english | 02:51 |
| rm_you | heh | 02:51 |
| rm_you | cause thats when i'm awake? | 02:52 |
| rm_you | :P | 02:52 |
| lcuk | no not always :) its your mannerisms | 02:52 |
| rm_you | heh | 02:52 |
| rm_you | I watch a lot of british TV? | 02:52 |
| rm_you | *a lot* | 02:52 |
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| rm_you | anyways, been putting off taking a shower for a long time now... | 02:53 |
| rm_you | sooo | 02:53 |
| rm_you | think about it, i'll bbl | 02:53 |
| lcuk | k | 02:54 |
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| pupnik | i wonder if a #maemo-pub channel would be appropriate | 02:59 |
| lcuk | i think we skip the #maemo- part and get straight to the pub :) | 03:01 |
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| Dekaritae | What options has one for calendars on Maemo? | 03:03 |
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| pupnik | GPE | 03:03 |
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| Dekaritae | Or, directly linking flash applications from the Applications menu? | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't think we're at critical mass yet, pupnik. | 03:04 |
| lcuk | if you wedge a hook on the top of you maemo, you are able to install pretty much any calendar you can find in the shops. it just looks a bit untidy and not hildonized at the moment | 03:04 |
| pupnik | what's that newish launcher called that can launch stuff | 03:04 |
| lcuk | a rocket? | 03:04 |
| Dekaritae | Personal Menu | 03:04 |
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| Dekaritae | Yes, I use it | 03:04 |
| pupnik | can that launch .swf ? | 03:05 |
| lcuk | yer, jott shown me that at linuxtag :) | 03:05 |
| lcuk | -yer | 03:05 |
| lcuk | dunno about .swf | 03:05 |
| Dekaritae | I have tried with the path to the flash file as the parameter for the web browser, and it launched without the flash file | 03:05 |
| lcuk | you can launch a .sh and do whatever from inthere | 03:05 |
| pupnik | i think unique311 also made a flash games collection with an index page | 03:05 |
| lcuk | do we have a standalone flash viewer? | 03:06 |
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| pupnik | duno | 03:06 |
| Dekaritae | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14317&highlight=media+info | 03:06 |
| lcuk | does anyone have the skills to take the plugin and host it | 03:06 |
| pupnik | there's gnash | 03:09 |
| pupnik | me and some friends were doing a flash-like protocol for BBS's back in 1988 | 03:10 |
| n800n | awesome | 03:10 |
| lcuk | i hope -fprofile-generate works | 03:12 |
| pupnik | you may have to turn off your gcc cache lcuk | 03:12 |
| lcuk | which cache | 03:12 |
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| lcuk | i wasnt aware i had built pch | 03:13 |
| pupnik | well see if you get the .gcno files | 03:13 |
| pupnik | or was it .gcda | 03:13 |
| lcuk | yer i got a pair of files | 03:13 |
| pupnik | you should get one for each .o file afaik | 03:13 |
| lcuk | gcda per .c on compile | 03:13 |
| pupnik | ok | 03:13 |
| pupnik | hrmph | 03:14 |
| lcuk | and gcno for each on running | 03:14 |
| pupnik | gcc -v ? | 03:14 |
| lcuk | whats that kill | 03:14 |
| pupnik | version of your gcc | 03:14 |
| pupnik | just curious | 03:14 |
| lcuk | 3.4.4 | 03:16 |
| pupnik | oh one thing i never got to ask about is if/when we might expect a 4.x gcc | 03:16 |
| pupnik | ok ty | 03:16 |
| pupnik | 3.4.? has some bugs with -fprofile-generate | 03:16 |
| lcuk | im direct on the device though, its not that important, its not borked it but it doesnt look much faster - i already personally inlined and optimised a lot of code | 03:16 |
| lcuk | ive been removing the framecounters all round now as i seem to be getting pretty stable rates :) | 03:17 |
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| zerosum | I just got a n800 what is a good irc channel for support? | 03:21 |
| GAN800 | This one. | 03:21 |
| zerosum | great | 03:21 |
| zerosum | is there anyway to ping the device? | 03:21 |
| zerosum | or see what ip address it has? | 03:21 |
| zerosum | its says its connected to my wlan | 03:21 |
| GAN800 | Connection manager. | 03:21 |
| GAN800 | or any of the typical linux commands. | 03:22 |
| zerosum | hmm | 03:22 |
| GAN800 | or check your router's dhcp | 03:22 |
| zerosum | how do i get to a termanl | 03:22 |
| pupnik | it should respond to ping, but iirc os2007 doesn't come with ping | 03:22 |
| GAN800 | Application menu: Utilities -> Xterm | 03:23 |
| pupnik | zerosum: you have os2007 or os2008? | 03:23 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, that's right | 03:23 |
| GAN800 | Flash it first. | 03:23 |
| summatusmentis | the n800 can run os2007? | 03:23 |
| GAN800 | They still ship with OS2008 | 03:23 |
| GAN800 | er, 2007 | 03:23 |
| GAN800 | summ | 03:24 |
| zerosum | its not new | 03:24 |
| zerosum | got it from a friend | 03:24 |
| rm_you | WifiInfo | 03:24 |
| rm_you | brb, food | 03:24 |
| summatusmentis | GAN800: oh, weird | 03:24 |
| GAN800 | it shipped with OS2007 in January 2007 summatusmentis | 03:24 |
| zerosum | there is no Xterm on my utilites | 03:24 |
| summatusmentis | The Nokia site doesn't even sell them anymore | 03:24 |
| GAN800 | It's more or less discontinued. | 03:24 |
| rm_you | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/wifiinfo/ | 03:24 |
| rm_you | or http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/wifiinfo/ | 03:25 |
| rm_you | depending | 03:25 |
| rm_you | and, brb food | 03:25 |
| zerosum | haha | 03:25 |
| GAN800 | zerosum, are you running OS2008? | 03:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's step 1 | 03:25 |
| zerosum | if i could connect to get the install i would have a connection | 03:25 |
| rm_you | download the deb and copy it over via USB | 03:25 |
| rm_you | and then install it | 03:26 |
| rm_you | BRB FOOD | 03:26 |
| johnx | zerosum, you can check the version by looking in system -> control panel -> about device | 03:26 |
| pupnik | or look at the theme - here's os2008 http://beans.seartipy.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/os2008-on-n800.jpg | 03:26 |
| zerosum | 0S 2007 | 03:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Flash itt. | 03:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/itt/it/ | 03:26 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Flash it. | 03:26 |
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| nikosapi | Are there beta releases of microb available? (the one with the much newer version of gecko) | 03:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | nikosapi, it's in svn. | 03:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a mostly up-to-date build here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=178677 | 03:35 |
| nikosapi | cool, thanks | 03:36 |
| zerosum | is there a way to flash it with out a usb? | 03:37 |
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| johnx | I'm afraid not :/ | 03:39 |
| summatusmentis | can we just kill VZW now? | 03:39 |
| johnx | zerosum, not without a bit of creative hacking at any rate... | 03:39 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, for the alltel deal? or your personal experience with them? | 03:39 |
| summatusmentis | johnx: a bit of both | 03:40 |
| summatusmentis | They're the most closed cell company ever, and they're huge | 03:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | apt-get install osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked from Bora? :D | 03:40 |
| summatusmentis | and they're gonna end up being the only cdma provder worth considering, and I need cdma | 03:40 |
| johnx | cdma naturally lends itself to building a closed carrier... | 03:41 |
| summatusmentis | well, I know, but it's the only thing that works where I need it to! | 03:41 |
| johnx | move? | 03:42 |
| summatusmentis | and the fact that they lock down all of their phones, and won't allow anything but a VZW phone on their network just makes it worse | 03:42 |
| johnx | guess it depends on how much you hate VZW... | 03:42 |
| summatusmentis | I go to school in Morris MN, gsm coverage is mediocre | 03:42 |
| summatusmentis | at best | 03:42 |
| summatusmentis | and this new deal is gonna kill sprint | 03:43 |
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| johnx | isn't vzw gonna do the "open thing" by the end of '08? | 03:44 |
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| summatusmentis | that's what they claim, but all that means is they get to choose the 'certification processes' and they get to charge you money | 03:44 |
| johnx | so, then you'll be able to use any CDMA phone that has the right frequency support I guess... | 03:44 |
| pupnik | morris... so few distractions | 03:45 |
| zerosum | anybody know what a question mark on the globe mean? | 03:45 |
| summatusmentis | pupnik: you're familiar with it? | 03:45 |
| pupnik | yeah was up there once :) | 03:45 |
| summatusmentis | up? where are you located? | 03:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerosum, no IP from dhcp | 03:45 |
| pupnik | drove up from the TC | 03:46 |
| summatusmentis | most people I talk to have never heard of Morris | 03:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerosum, forget about troubleshooting OS2007 and flash it already. | 03:46 |
| summatusmentis | oh, that's not really up | 03:46 |
| pupnik | ok s/up/to/ | 03:46 |
| summatusmentis | why would you go to Morris? There's not much there | 03:46 |
| pupnik | i might ask you the same :) | 03:46 |
| summatusmentis | it's cliche, I feel in love w/ the campus | 03:47 |
| summatusmentis | and it's relatively cheap | 03:47 |
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| pupnik | i was looking at transferring from the cities - wanted to check it out | 03:47 |
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| summatusmentis | johnx: and then there's the hatred of large corporations in general | 03:47 |
| summatusmentis | pupnik: not for you, presumably? :) so you're at the U of M? | 03:48 |
| johnx | as long as they stay away from GSM carriers I don't care :) | 03:48 |
| summatusmentis | they're going LTE for 4g | 03:48 |
| johnx | LTE/4G is a mythical creature to me until I can hold a retail 4G handset | 03:50 |
| summatusmentis | well, sure, but both VZW and ATT are planning on going that way | 03:50 |
| pupnik | no this was like 1989. | 03:51 |
| summatusmentis | pupnik: oh, ok | 03:51 |
| summatusmentis | Are you still in the cities? | 03:51 |
| n800n | what version of flash is it on the n800? | 03:52 |
| n800n | 8? | 03:52 |
| johnx | 9 | 03:52 |
| pupnik | no i'm in krautland | 03:54 |
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| pupnik | sometimes i think there were more germans in minnesota than here though | 03:54 |
| summatusmentis | lol, there are a lot of germans in minnesota, yes | 03:56 |
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| zerosum | i dont know what i did but it works now | 04:02 |
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| pupnik | you use linux on the pc zerosum ? | 04:03 |
| hans-castorp | what is the name of the default window manager in maemo? | 04:03 |
| johnx | matchbox | 04:04 |
| hans-castorp | is there any way to disable it? | 04:04 |
| hans-castorp | to boot to console? | 04:04 |
| johnx | aaah | 04:04 |
| johnx | so no x server either... | 04:04 |
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| hans-castorp | genau | 04:04 |
| hans-castorp | yes | 04:05 |
| zerosum | not normally | 04:05 |
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| johnx | there are two things you'd need: | 04:05 |
| pupnik | how would you input text to it | 04:05 |
| hans-castorp | bluetooth keyboard right? | 04:05 |
| johnx | hmm | 04:06 |
| hans-castorp | or usb | 04:06 |
| johnx | bt *might* work without X | 04:06 |
| johnx | usb *will* work without X as long as you echo host > ..../mode sometime during boot | 04:06 |
| hans-castorp | right | 04:06 |
| johnx | first look here to enable console framebuffer: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=167960 | 04:06 |
| hans-castorp | sweet thanks | 04:06 |
| johnx | then start digging through initscripts to safely disable the x server | 04:07 |
| johnx | also, may I suggest that you setup boot from sd so you have a way to troubleshoot this when it fails | 04:07 |
| hans-castorp | yeah I am already | 04:07 |
| johnx | and also, you might be interested in debian for the tablet... ;) | 04:08 |
| hans-castorp | running that right now too | 04:08 |
| hans-castorp | chrooted | 04:08 |
| johnx | aah | 04:08 |
| hans-castorp | debian is sweet. | 04:09 |
| pupnik | cool | 04:09 |
| johnx | it would probably be a lot easier to make debian bootable than to figure out how to safely disable the x server in os2008 | 04:09 |
| hans-castorp | right | 04:09 |
| johnx | well, the x server would be easy, but there are probably at least a couple things that depend on it | 04:10 |
| hans-castorp | yeah. right now I just want to boot to the console so that I can start any window manager I want | 04:10 |
| pupnik | if you get it working, post your info somewhere hans-castorp | 04:10 |
| johnx | hans-castorp, a different desktop environment? or just a different window manager? | 04:11 |
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| hans-castorp | pupnik i'll try | 04:12 |
| hans-castorp | john, whats the difference | 04:12 |
| pupnik | plus, a console-only partition would be so stupid, it'd be cool | 04:12 |
| pupnik | er, root fs. whatever | 04:13 |
| hans-castorp | yeah | 04:13 |
| johnx | hans-castorp, well a window manager just draws the borders around windows and focuses one | 04:13 |
| johnx | the desktop environment puts applets on the desktop, and is reponsible for the panels | 04:13 |
| hans-castorp | ok i've always called things like gnome, kde, matchbox window managers. I guess that is incorrect | 04:13 |
| johnx | technically, metacity is the window manager for gnome | 04:14 |
| johnx | kwin for kde | 04:14 |
| johnx | matchbox for maemo/hildon-desktop | 04:14 |
| hans-castorp | ls | 04:14 |
| hans-castorp | ok | 04:15 |
| johnx | (sorry, don't mean to be a pedant O_o ) | 04:15 |
| hans-castorp | no thanks for the info johnx | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pedantry is important for clarity is things technical. :P | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/is/in/ | 04:15 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Pedantry in important for clarity is things technical. :P | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | You know what I mean. :P | 04:16 |
| Dekaritae | Hnn | 04:16 |
| Dekaritae | Wikipedia says the N800 has an FM radio tuner | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | It does. | 04:16 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, I hate to be a pedant, but... | 04:16 |
| Dekaritae | How do I utilise said tuner? | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Install fm-tuner | 04:16 |
| johnx | hans-castorp, you might want to look at the way penguinbait launches KDE | 04:16 |
| hans-castorp | ok | 04:16 |
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| lcuk | gnite folks | 04:26 |
| GAN800 | night | 04:27 |
| pupnik | ooo new garnetvm -- i missed that | 04:28 |
| pupnik | yaay for rotated dislpay | 04:28 |
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| pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/05/29/access-releases-garnet-vm-beta-2/ | 04:29 |
| pupnik | the palm folks should be real happy | 04:29 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, it's much better | 04:29 |
| GAN800 | Though I have 0 to -1 use for a Palm vm. | 04:29 |
| johnx | me neither | 04:30 |
| johnx | but it's fun | 04:30 |
| GAN800 | Palm is mostly just fun to laugh at. ;p | 04:30 |
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| pupnik | well what about that pda-like stuff | 04:30 |
| GAN800 | No, no use. | 04:31 |
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| pupnik | schedule/appointments etc - what do you mean? | 04:31 |
| * GAN800 should get some corn torillas for nachos tomorrow. | 04:31 | |
| GAN800 | My PDA tasks are either online or in my head. | 04:32 |
| pupnik | isn't there palm software that syncs with the windoze world for the suits out there? | 04:32 |
| pupnik | oh right | 04:32 |
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| pupnik | but some people simply have to plan every piece of their day | 04:33 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, for them it's probably useful. | 04:33 |
| GAN800 | Be nice if Nokia would just drop a mil or two on a dev team to crank out a PDA site to shut the whiners up. | 04:34 |
| GAN800 | s/site/suite/ | 04:34 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: Be nice if Nokia would just drop a mil or two on a dev team to crank out a PDA suite to shut the whiners up. | 04:34 |
| pupnik | be nice if nokia bought me a harem too | 04:35 |
| GAN800 | It's mindboggling to me that one button can so arbitrarily pick between two completely different behaviors. | 04:35 |
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| GAN800 | pupnik, I could go for that. :P | 04:36 |
| johnx | GAN800, which button? center d-pad? | 04:37 |
| GAN800 | It's even more amazing that Nokia has managed to make virtual text entry slightly buggier than it was in OS2005 in OS2008. | 04:37 |
| GAN800 | Nah, the return key in the finger keyboard. | 04:38 |
| GAN800 | it can't decide if it's a return key or the close-keyboard key in the corner. | 04:38 |
| GAN800 | though the text entry nonsense with MicroB in Diablo right now is also rather hilarious. | 04:39 |
| johnx | I wonder if it's just a race condition | 04:39 |
| GAN800 | It's like everybody forgot the N800 exists. | 04:39 |
| johnx | for url entry it should be "send a return, then close the keyboard" | 04:39 |
| GAN800 | Could be, it's worse now than when I first installed Diablo. | 04:40 |
| johnx | at least from what I understand some N810 owners still care about the osk | 04:40 |
| summatusmentis | why would they? | 04:40 |
| rm_you | back | 04:40 |
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| GAN800 | At least it's not 'press finger keyboard return, tap text field to bring up vkb, tap vkb return' like it was 90% of the time in Chinook. | 04:41 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, quicker than sliding out the keyboard to just enter a one word search term | 04:41 |
| GAN800 | summatusmentis, a variety of reasons. I know at least one who uses it about half the time. | 04:41 |
| acydlord | yeah, i sometime still use the vkb | 04:41 |
| acydlord | its easier on the thumbs too | 04:41 |
| GAN800 | we're up to at least a 50% success rate with Diablo. | 04:42 |
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| Dekaritae | Yay for nomenclature | 04:44 |
| rm_you | hey, Quim added his email as a CC on my bug report for Display opensource :P | 04:44 |
| Dekaritae | "USB female to USB mini-B male" | 04:44 |
| Dekaritae | http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31FRdhAN70L._SL500_AA273_.jpg | 04:44 |
| GAN800 | He's on half the bugs in the db. :P | 04:44 |
| rm_you | :P | 04:44 |
| rm_you | well, it's promising :P at least he read iut | 04:45 |
| rm_you | *it | 04:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unfortunately, it's not his decision. :P | 04:45 |
| rm_you | lol true | 04:45 |
| rm_you | you think he'd approve that? | 04:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Quim's an open source guy by nature. | 04:46 |
| rm_you | heh | 04:46 |
| rm_you | well, time to start working on the configuration :P | 04:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't forget the "backlight off" switch! | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Interesting bit: http://www.mail-archive.com/foundation-announce@gnome.org/msg00023.html | 04:47 |
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| johnx|n800 | yay! my desktop crashes randomly under load :/ | 04:50 |
| GAN800 | hildon-desktop? | 04:50 |
| johnx|n800 | desktop linux box | 04:51 |
| GAN800 | oh, my hildon-desktop does that. :p | 04:51 |
| GAN800 | overheat? | 04:51 |
| johnx|n800 | was compiling xserver-xfbdev and it just died :/ | 04:51 |
| johnx|n800 | i don't think so | 04:52 |
| acydlord | mine has done that a few times under load | 04:52 |
| GAN800 | Mine's also been doing that with the AC broken. :p | 04:52 |
| johnx|n800 | just updated to a new kernel. will reboot and see if that helps | 04:55 |
| johnx|n800 | of course the only way i'll know is by starting a huge compile and waiting for it to die | 04:56 |
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| johnx | next time I think I'll buy a better mobo :/ | 05:02 |
| rm_you | johnx: what you using now? | 05:02 |
| rm_you | couldn't possibly be my old one, it's too big... | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | and if it never dies, wont you look like a jerk. :P | 05:02 |
| johnx | the cheapest via board I could find a year ago for an s939 | 05:03 |
| rm_you | ack | 05:03 |
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| johnx | heh...it was like $40 | 05:03 |
| rm_you | ack | 05:03 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, this one will get replaced when I have money...before it necessarily dies | 05:03 |
| johnx | even when it's not crashing it still has issues | 05:03 |
| rm_you | where in the hildon API does it go over the stuff in /usr/include/hildon-input-method/ ? | 05:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://live.gnome.org/Hildon/HildonInputMethod ? | 05:07 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: I think if I write a subclass of GtkMenuItem I can make it behave like I want | 05:07 |
| rm_you | >_< | 05:07 |
| rm_you | ah, not on Maemo's /dev stuff | 05:07 |
| rm_you | OMG this is so much better than the docs on Maemo | 05:08 |
| rm_you | >_< | 05:08 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: yeah, i think the answer may be that I have to use GtkMenuShell to write my own implimentation of a GtkMenu that will let me add widgets | 05:28 |
| rm_you | which I might be able to do | 05:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 05:29 |
| * rm_you grabs the GTK code (OPEN SOURCE!!! OMFG I SHOULD NOT BE THIS EXCITED ABOUT OSS) and gets to work | 05:29 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 05:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's kinda sad, isn't it? | 05:30 |
| rm_you | yeah >_> | 05:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | "WTF? It's open?!" | 05:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should be: "WTF? It's closed?!" | 05:30 |
| rm_you | we're using... GTK+ 2.0? | 05:30 |
| rm_you | err | 05:30 |
| johnx | 2.10 | 05:30 |
| rm_you | no | 05:30 |
| johnx | IIRC | 05:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2.10 | 05:31 |
| rm_you | yes 2.10.12 | 05:31 |
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| Tu13es | anyone tried grumby? | 06:03 |
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| rm_you | hrm | 06:23 |
| rm_you | so if i have this little custom gtkmenu.c | 06:23 |
| rm_you | and i include that directly... will it use that? | 06:23 |
| rm_you | and then will that work on the tablet? | 06:24 |
| GAN800 | No, because it's covered in your fail. | 06:24 |
| rm_you | lol | 06:24 |
| rm_you | diving into these huge libraries when you know nothing about how they work is... very hard | 06:25 |
| rm_you | >_< | 06:25 |
| GAN800 | There must be somebody around why knows how to make it work. | 06:26 |
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| rm_you | been asking in the GTK channel | 06:28 |
| rm_you | like 4 days ago i explained what i wanted to do and asked if that was feasible | 06:28 |
| rm_you | and i got flat out "no" | 06:28 |
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| GAN800 | well, _somebody_ haas obviously done it. . . . | 06:32 |
| rm_you | ... | 06:33 |
| rm_you | Nokia >_> | 06:33 |
| rm_you | we *think* | 06:33 |
| rm_you | they may have done something ridiculously stupid and entirely different | 06:33 |
| GAN800 | Ha | 06:33 |
| rm_you | i bet they just have more libraries that they didn't document or include the source for | 06:34 |
| rm_you | like... | 06:34 |
| GAN800 | Could be why they're closed. :P | 06:34 |
| rm_you | HildonSuperAwesomeMenu.h | 06:34 |
| beford | hah | 06:34 |
| rm_you | timeless: yo | 06:34 |
| rm_you | >_> | 06:34 |
| johnx | so what are you onto this time rm_you? | 06:34 |
| GAN800 | HildonLaughAtAllTheStupidMoronsTryingToDuplicateThisShit.h | 06:34 |
| rm_you | johnx: still working on putting my applet in a real GtkMenu | 06:35 |
| johnx | which widget are you trying to embed? | 06:35 |
| rm_you | so it will behave properly | 06:35 |
| johnx | hmmm | 06:35 |
| johnx | there's a nice slider in for brightness control in gnome | 06:35 |
| rm_you | HildonControlbar | 06:36 |
| rm_you | which is essentially a GtkHScale | 06:36 |
| rm_you | http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/hildon/HildonControlbar.html | 06:36 |
| rm_you | can't get either that or GtkHScale to embed correctly in a menu | 06:36 |
| johnx | fine, let me dig up the source and see if it helps... | 06:36 |
| rm_you | i've been working on that for... ... ... 6 monthds | 06:36 |
| GAN800 | haha | 06:37 |
| johnx | but have you actually seen code for how someone else did it? | 06:37 |
| rm_you | so frustrating | 06:37 |
| rm_you | no | 06:37 |
| rm_you | it's all closed source | 06:37 |
| johnx | in maemo yes | 06:37 |
| rm_you | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3199 | 06:37 |
| rm_you | someone did it in something besides maemo? | 06:37 |
| johnx | but have you even looked at a similar gtk thing? | 06:37 |
| GAN800 | rm_you, document this issue in the bug. | 06:37 |
| rm_you | i've found posts of people asking about HOW to do this in gtk | 06:37 |
| rm_you | and they all either have no response, or "can't be done" | 06:38 |
| johnx | is this close enough to help: http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-power-manager/stable/applets-general.html.en#applets-brightness | 06:38 |
| rm_you | no | 06:38 |
| rm_you | that i can do | 06:38 |
| rm_you | it doesnt involve a menu at all | 06:38 |
| johnx | aaah | 06:38 |
| johnx | right | 06:38 |
| johnx | you want to mix it in with menu items | 06:39 |
| rm_you | yes | 06:39 |
| rm_you | LIKE NOKIA DOES BUT REFUSES TO LET ME DO | 06:39 |
| rm_you | >_< | 06:39 |
| GAN800 | Set it to send a complaint email to Ari everytime somebody opens the applet. :P | 06:40 |
| rm_you | OMG | 06:40 |
| rm_you | that's an awesome idea :P | 06:40 |
| johnx | nah | 06:41 |
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| johnx | just have it vote for the bug :D | 06:41 |
| rm_you | heh | 06:41 |
| GAN800 | dbus, baby! | 06:41 |
| johnx | every download is an implicit vote to have the bug fixed :D | 06:41 |
| rm_you | but... possibly several hundred emails a day from various n8x0 users :P | 06:41 |
| GAN800 | Not spam blockable, either. :P | 06:42 |
| rm_you | now most of the results that come up in my google searches are... myself | 06:42 |
| GAN800 | I love that. | 06:43 |
| rm_you | my irc bitching... | 06:43 |
| rm_you | my emails to mailing lings... | 06:43 |
| GAN800 | lol | 06:43 |
| rm_you | s/lings/lists/ | 06:43 |
| infobot | rm_you meant: my emails to mailing lists... | 06:43 |
| johnx | hmm...could they be using a popup window instead of a menu? | 06:43 |
| rm_you | my posts on forums | 06:43 |
| GAN800 | That's whaat it is now. | 06:43 |
| rm_you | johnx: thats what i'm using now | 06:43 |
| rm_you | johnx: it is very different :( | 06:43 |
| rm_you | only the menu has the behavior their applets exhibits, and the theming | 06:44 |
| johnx | well yours is...but maybe they just spent the time to tweak it by hand? | 06:44 |
| rm_you | timeless sent me the code they use to make it look like it looks | 06:44 |
| rm_you | and that's gtk_menu code | 06:44 |
| GAN800 | rm_you, just make a list of numbers to choose from. ;P | 06:44 |
| johnx | GAN800, a genetic algorithm? | 06:44 |
| GAN800 | probably be easier at this point to make a voice-activated level selector. | 06:46 |
| rm_you | ooo | 06:46 |
| GAN800 | 'Computer, set brightness full' | 06:46 |
| * rm_you starts on that | 06:46 | |
| rm_you | is there already voice recognition libraries bundled with either python or something else for the tablet? | 06:46 |
| Navi | I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that. | 06:47 |
| GAN800 | Then make Marvin say 'Yes, master' | 06:47 |
| johnx | I think it's important to use flite to issue instructions to voice recognition system | 06:48 |
| johnx | feedback loop FTW! | 06:48 |
| GAN800 | Marvin telling Marvin what to do? I love it! | 06:48 |
| summatusmentis | well... there goes my plan for cheap data :-/ | 06:49 |
| GAN800 | Cellular exec, 'Muhahahaha!' | 06:49 |
| summatusmentis | I didn't realize most of sprint's good data coverage was because of alltel | 06:50 |
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| summatusmentis | oh crap... bed | 06:54 |
| summatusmentis | 'night | 06:54 |
| johnx | g'night | 06:54 |
| Navi | Mmm | 06:55 |
| * GeneralAntilles needs to get the templates together for the open/closed stuff on the wiki. . . . | 07:02 | |
| rm_you | hrm | 07:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, you're a good candidate for the first petition. :P | 07:04 |
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| rm_you | :P | 07:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Add your tale of woe to the bug. | 07:04 |
| johnx | be sure to be properly dramatic | 07:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, don't do that. :P | 07:05 |
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| johnx | :D | 07:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Don't need to drive Nokia away from the cause. | 07:06 |
| johnx | I was using dramatic in the theatre sense, not the "forum drama" sense | 07:06 |
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| johnx | as in "Woe is me! Surely my GTKmenu doth not requite my love. Aid me in my hour of need Nokia!" | 07:07 |
| lopz | night | 07:07 |
| rm_you | night | 07:07 |
| johnx | g'night | 07:07 |
| rm_you | and lol | 07:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 07:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Write an opera | 07:08 |
| johnx | then withhold the ending 'til they answer one way or the other | 07:09 |
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| Dekaritae | Does Maemo have drivers for USB->VGA? | 07:09 |
| johnx | included? I somewhat doubt it | 07:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | the sisusb driver is bundled. | 07:10 |
| zerosum | anyone here write python ? | 07:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | At least in Diablo. | 07:10 |
| shapr | I've written some Python... | 07:10 |
| * shapr has flashbacks | 07:10 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Dekaritae, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=175561 | 07:10 |
| Dekaritae | http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230259216203 | 07:10 |
| zerosum | have you tried in on n800? | 07:11 |
| Dekaritae | Wishing to purchase for purposes | 07:11 |
| zerosum | it on* | 07:11 |
| Dekaritae | Oh yay | 07:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's v.1 of that adaptor. | 07:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should work. | 07:11 |
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| shapr | zerosum: Oh, on maemo? Haven't done that. | 07:11 |
| n800n | was opera smoother than microB? | 07:12 |
| johnx | for some sites | 07:12 |
| johnx | it was lots worse for other stuff though | 07:12 |
| shapr | I liked opera for reading html books. | 07:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | n800n, despite whatever a lot of people want you to believe, Opera wasn't particularly fun. | 07:13 |
| n800n | i wish scrolling weren't this choppy | 07:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was lighter, but it hardly worked with anything. | 07:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | n800n, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=178677 | 07:13 |
| johnx | ah, scrolling wasn't much different | 07:13 |
| n800n | i'm sure microb is better at most things, but i never had the old os, so i'm just curious | 07:14 |
| Navi | oh yeah | 07:14 |
| johnx | unless you mean that weird "stutter" | 07:14 |
| Navi | I need to install that | 07:14 |
| rm_you | i miss opera :/ | 07:14 |
| rm_you | i want it back | 07:14 |
| Navi | :P | 07:14 |
| n800n | that stutter | 07:15 |
| n800n | makes me feel i'm in windows 95 | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh | 07:15 |
| Navi | generate an opera package off of OS2007 and use it on OS2008 | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Opera couldn't even render /. | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | n800n, install the svn | 07:15 |
| johnx | n800n, that seems to be better for me in diablo | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Scrolling is smooth as silk. | 07:15 |
| Navi | Silk is pretty damned smooth | 07:16 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, different people visit different sites... | 07:16 |
| n800n | knoing them they prolly did it on purpose, /. | 07:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | and Opera couldn't render most of them, johnx. ;) | 07:16 |
| Navi | johnx, the diablo build isn't as new as the one that GA linked to | 07:16 |
| Navi | the one there is smoother :D | 07:16 |
| n800n | you guys are from the future for me , with your diablos | 07:17 |
| johnx | Navi, fair enough. just noting. | 07:17 |
| Navi | I'm not running diablo | 07:17 |
| n800n | and superhacks | 07:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | n800n, don't attribute to malice what can be attributed to an old, non-standards compliant proprietary browser engine. ;) | 07:17 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, it worked fine for everything I cared about... | 07:17 |
| rm_you | Opera always treated me well | 07:17 |
| rm_you | firefox is... bleh | 07:17 |
| n800n | you have to admit general, /. is snobcentral | 07:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | That doesn't have anything to do with Opera not rendering it correctly. | 07:18 |
| Navi | Well, the mobile opera engine used to be pretty outdated | 07:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Opera from OS2007 was OLD | 07:18 |
| rm_you | opera is like... the most standards compliant browser i've seen | 07:18 |
| n800n | it's a kind of humor i was going for, guess it didn't work | 07:19 |
| rm_you | as far as i could tell during the last year of heavy web development i did | 07:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe new Opera, rm_you. | 07:19 |
| Navi | rm_you, it wasn't that way in the Opera 7 line, which is where the engine came from | 07:19 |
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| rm_you | :( | 07:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | But not the Opera from 5 years ago we had in OS2007 | 07:19 |
| * n800n sorry for the can of worms | 07:20 | |
| Navi | it wasn't until 8.5 where presto was nice and standardsy | 07:20 |
| rm_you | they should make a new build of the micro opera | 07:20 |
| Navi | I think the mobile opera's on 8.5 now | 07:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | They've got a version 9 of mobile Opera | 07:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which looks pretty nice. | 07:20 |
| Navi | cool | 07:21 |
| rm_you | hrm | 07:21 |
| * rm_you wonders what it is built on | 07:21 | |
| rm_you | they usually build with static libs, right? :P | 07:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd like to see somebody put together a non-shitty front-end for the WebKit engine in Extras. | 07:21 |
| Navi | the webkit in Extras is old | 07:21 |
| johnx | midori continues to improve | 07:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not as old as Opera. | 07:21 |
| rm_you | mmmm midori | 07:22 |
| johnx | that's my pick for lightweight browsing going forward... | 07:22 |
| * rm_you looks up at his big bottle of midori | 07:22 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I want a non-gross feature-complete alternative to Nokia's crappy tablet-browser-ui. | 07:22 |
| Navi | midori only moves at the pace that webkitgtk moves, sadly | 07:22 |
| Navi | Still no file handling, cookies, etc etc | 07:22 |
| johnx | webkitgtk will start moving quicker with more focus from the gnome devs | 07:23 |
| Navi | It looks like they tried to attract some attention when they did plugin support | 07:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want it all and I want it now. . . . http://youtube.com/watch?v=vKNmqS4nSYY | 07:24 |
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| Navi | johnx, well, the gnome devs started giving it more attention a while ago | 07:27 |
| johnx | yeah, I know :/ | 07:27 |
| johnx | but I can hope | 07:27 |
| Navi | Hmm | 07:29 |
| Navi | alp doesn't idle in here any more | 07:30 |
| Navi | :( | 07:30 |
| johnx | he's probably not impressed with how quick gtkwebkit is moving either :/ | 07:30 |
| Navi | Well, he's totally a dev :P | 07:31 |
| johnx | some people set a limit on the size of project they're willing to take on (like me :P) | 07:31 |
| Navi | cool, new javascript interpreter | 07:32 |
| johnx | after I get sapwood figured out I might try and get the latest midori compiled against webkit with that new js interpreter | 07:33 |
| Navi | on the tablets? | 07:33 |
| johnx | the hildonization of midori should be pretty straightforward | 07:34 |
| johnx | there's a patch up on itt | 07:34 |
| Navi | Yeah | 07:34 |
| Navi | though, the patch didn't use screen space effectively | 07:34 |
| johnx | you mean, it doesn't push out to all the borders? or something else? | 07:35 |
| Navi | something else | 07:35 |
| Navi | it had the URL bar and the search bar | 07:35 |
| Navi | making the url bar tiny | 07:35 |
| johnx | what would you do? drop the search bar? | 07:36 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: ok, loading and saving settings works | 07:36 |
| rm_you | time to make the GUI for it | 07:36 |
| Navi | Drop the search bar as well as a few buttons | 07:36 |
| Navi | thin the tab bar | 07:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Make the hardkeys work right. | 07:36 |
| Navi | clean up the menu | 07:37 |
| rm_you | anyone know what type of Gtk window they use for settings boxes? | 07:37 |
| rm_you | ah i can look | 07:37 |
| rm_you | osso-statusbar-cpu has one :P | 07:37 |
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| Dekaritae | nahuy | 07:41 |
| Dekaritae | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?s=677226526b02cd029faa4d51451ecedd&p=137249&postcount=16 | 07:41 |
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| Dekaritae | So, is a source known for USB mini B male to mini B male cables? | 08:11 |
| johnx | maile mini b to male mini b? | 08:13 |
| Dekaritae | Yes | 08:13 |
| Dekaritae | I have a USB mini hub with mini B female that I wish to connect to my N800 | 08:13 |
| johnx | ah, for a phone to n800 connection? | 08:13 |
| johnx | ok | 08:13 |
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| Dekaritae | The hub is unpowered, but it works fine with at least two USB drives connected | 08:13 |
| johnx | I get a couple answers from google, not sure if you already saw them | 08:14 |
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| Dekaritae | I found many male-to-female | 08:14 |
| johnx | this is the first result: http://www.datapro.net/products/usb-2-0-mini-b-5-pin-m-m-cable.html | 08:15 |
| Dekaritae | Way | 08:15 |
| Dekaritae | Let us see if they ship to Canada | 08:15 |
| johnx | googled mini b to mini b | 08:16 |
| Dekaritae | I purchased two "mini B male to A female" adaptors from eBay seller via a friend | 08:16 |
| GAN800 | Dekaritae, you could always pick une of joloius's OTG adaptors. | 08:16 |
| johnx | but you're right, I didn't get many helpful results besides that one | 08:16 |
| Dekaritae | I also purchase 500 mA 2.5" drive enclosure | 08:17 |
| Dekaritae | Ah, how picky is OS2008 regarding the keyboards peripheral? | 08:17 |
| johnx | it depends on power draw really | 08:18 |
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| Dekaritae | I like the dimensions of these | 08:18 |
| Dekaritae | http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290234783790 | 08:18 |
| johnx | someone might have posted about that on itt | 08:19 |
| Dekaritae | Shall peruse | 08:19 |
| johnx | I think I remember seeing that picture | 08:19 |
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| GAN800 | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/ultimatelaptop.jpg | 08:19 |
| Dekaritae | I have a semi-chording keyboard that I will try also, Nostromo N52 | 08:19 |
| GAN800 | That's the best keyboard to get. ;) | 08:19 |
| Dekaritae | IBM metal plate full travel | 08:20 |
| Dekaritae | Yes. | 08:20 |
| Dekaritae | I hs one :) | 08:20 |
| Dekaritae | A roll-up keyboard may also be an option | 08:22 |
| Dekaritae | Typically consume 250 mA but a kludge with a AA cell and an LM7805 may be an option | 08:22 |
| rm_you | GAN800: ready for a beta? | 08:31 |
| rm_you | i will be done with this UI very soon | 08:31 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, sure. | 08:31 |
| rm_you | well, with the first bit of it | 08:31 |
| timelyx | hello cruel world | 08:31 |
| * timelyx intends to say goodbye to maemo-developers today | 08:32 | |
| GAN800 | Hello, timelyx | 08:32 |
| GAN800 | The Diablo/Bugzilla thread? | 08:32 |
| timelyx | yep | 08:32 |
| timelyx | i've had enough | 08:32 |
| GAN800 | I loled | 08:32 |
| timelyx | the stress just isn't worth it | 08:32 |
| timelyx | it just isn't fun[ny] anymore | 08:33 |
| GAN800 | It's a good thing you stay clear of itT. ;) | 08:33 |
| timelyx | no kidding | 08:33 |
| timelyx | i hope you can see why :/ | 08:33 |
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| GAN800 | Damn G5 should be sleeping. . . . | 08:34 |
| rm_you | ? | 08:34 |
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| rm_you | is there mailing list drama? | 08:34 |
| GAN800 | Nah, not drama | 08:34 |
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| GAN800 | just retardation. | 08:35 |
| GAN800 | People don't want bugs fixed in Diablo to be closed yet. :P | 08:35 |
| Dekaritae | Yay | 08:35 |
| GAN800 | Die G5 | 08:35 |
| Dekaritae | I get Bluetooth DUN to work with my Treo 650 | 08:35 |
| timelyx | my view is simple: if you're going to be a user, you're expected to use user channels | 08:35 |
| timelyx | including following a certain user protocol | 08:36 |
| timelyx | if you claim to be a developer, you're expected to know certain things, allowed to use | 08:36 |
| timelyx | certain other channels, and obligated to behave in a certain manner | 08:36 |
| timelyx | the expected to know bit is really of the form "yes, you do have to read some documentation" | 08:36 |
| johnx | heh..."with some power, comes slight responsibility" | 08:37 |
| rm_you | heh | 08:37 |
| timelyx | johnx: hrm, may i steal that? | 08:37 |
| timelyx | i intend to blog about this at some point | 08:38 |
| rm_you | the problem with maemo / hildon is that a lot of the documentation is either sparse or just MISSING | 08:38 |
| timelyx | rm_you: that's true, but i'm not asking people to read it all | 08:38 |
| timelyx | 5 pages should be enough | 08:38 |
| rm_you | heh, yeah | 08:38 |
| rm_you | just in my case, half the docs I need just don't exist | 08:38 |
| rm_you | or else are outdated | 08:38 |
| timelyx | sure, and you've been a good boy and filed bugs about them, right? :) | 08:39 |
| johnx | timelyx, sure :D | 08:39 |
| rm_you | heh... heh... .... | 08:39 |
| * rm_you runs | 08:39 | |
| timelyx | s/s$/s off to file .../ | 08:39 |
| timelyx | good boy | 08:39 |
| rm_you | I actually just signed up for a bugzilla account this week.... | 08:39 |
| rm_you | so in the future when docs are missing, I will file a bug :P | 08:39 |
| timelyx | but yeah, before you file your first bug, you should probably read some example bugs | 08:40 |
| rm_you | before I just came in here and bitched... which is probably much less effective | 08:40 |
| timelyx | the other important slogan: read first, ask questions later | 08:40 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, to bitch about sources. . . . :P | 08:40 |
| rm_you | and docs :P | 08:40 |
| rm_you | mostly sources >_> | 08:40 |
| rm_you | timelyx: my first bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3199 :P | 08:40 |
| rm_you | vote! :P | 08:40 |
| timelyx | rm_you: out of curiosity, how many of those were actually available? | 08:40 |
| GAN800 | See #3199, which is a blatant copyright violation of my bug. ;) | 08:41 |
| rm_you | lol | 08:41 |
| mrglinux | somebody said ... the n810 or like this product didn't distribute in Asian country but some of them made in Korea.. Korea is Europain ? | 08:41 |
| rm_you | yeah, i totally plagiarized GA :P | 08:41 |
| rm_you | timelyx: how many of what? | 08:41 |
| rm_you | docs I was looking for? | 08:41 |
| timelyx | sources | 08:41 |
| rm_you | ah | 08:42 |
| rm_you | most of the statusbar apps are closed | 08:42 |
| * timelyx nods | 08:42 | |
| rm_you | and i believe most of the home apps are too | 08:42 |
| timelyx | yep | 08:42 |
| rm_you | that's been my focus, pretty much... | 08:42 |
| timelyx | someone was asking about im- stuff | 08:42 |
| rm_you | and it has made my job so much harder | 08:42 |
| timelyx | and it turns out it was open | 08:42 |
| rm_you | yeah i asked about the API for that a minute ago | 08:42 |
| timelyx | i wasted a lot of time making black box apis for something that was open | 08:42 |
| rm_you | well i was getting my APIs for that stuff from http://maemo.org/development/documentation/apis/4-x/ | 08:43 |
| rm_you | turns out i needed to be on live.gnome.org | 08:43 |
| timelyx | heh | 08:43 |
| rm_you | >_> | 08:43 |
| timelyx | yay wikis! | 08:43 |
| mrglinux | do you think can i find n810 from china .. my friend now is in china... and i tell him to buy it for me but i am worry about that ? | 08:43 |
| timelyx | mrglinux: um, they aren't sold in asia | 08:44 |
| rm_you | mrglinux: i doubt it? don't know of a native chinese localization | 08:44 |
| timelyx | i had thought that they were all made in finland | 08:44 |
| GAN800 | I wonder how much of this doc stuff falls under dneary. | 08:44 |
| timelyx | but i hadn't really checked | 08:44 |
| GAN800 | korean and finland | 08:44 |
| timelyx | technically there's an entire development platform team responsible for docs | 08:44 |
| rm_you | mrglinux: pretty much only available in US/canada or the european union | 08:44 |
| GAN800 | well, south korea. ;) | 08:44 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, but dneary is easy to poke with a stick. | 08:45 |
| mrglinux | rm_you: timelyx: hasn't made some n810 from Korea but Korea is Asian ... isn't?or is it possible some shop bring it to their shops ? | 08:45 |
| timelyx | kinda odd, we support russian, and Spanish/Portuguese for latin america | 08:45 |
| timelyx | mrglinux: i don't deal in hardware | 08:45 |
| timelyx | so if GAN800 wants to claim that some of it is made there, maybe he's right | 08:46 |
| rm_you | timelyx: do you work for nokia? | 08:46 |
| rm_you | :P | 08:46 |
| mrglinux | nobody form china here ? | 08:46 |
| timelyx | however, none of it is supposed to be sold there | 08:46 |
| timelyx | it's not an official market | 08:46 |
| timelyx | s/it's not/it isn't/ | 08:46 |
| infobot | timelyx meant: it isn't an official market | 08:46 |
| * timelyx sighs | 08:46 | |
| GAN800 | mine says 'made in korea' | 08:46 |
| rm_you | mrglinux: CAN people in china be here? *glances at China's ridiculous firewall* | 08:46 |
| timelyx | infobot: good bot, have a shiny bot snack | 08:46 |
| infobot | :), timelyx | 08:46 |
| * GAN800 shrugs | 08:46 | |
| mrglinux | m_you: thx .. my grammar is not good but improves | 08:47 |
| rm_you | who in this channel works for nokia? | 08:48 |
| rm_you | I need to compile a list or something so I know when I'm talking to one of them :) | 08:48 |
| mrglinux | rm_you: ^ | 08:48 |
| rm_you | mrglinux: yeah, np :) | 08:48 |
| GAN800 | we all do, and we're spying on you. O_O | 08:48 |
| rm_you | GAN800: GIVE ME THE SOURCE FOR THE DISPLAY STATUSBAR APPLET!!! | 08:49 |
| GAN800 | Nevar! | 08:49 |
| * GAN800 runs away from rm_you to observe with binoculars. | 08:49 | |
| * mrglinux cry's for n810 :'( | 08:50 | |
| johnx | so I might as well ask: anyone here familiar with the inner-workings of sapwood? | 08:50 |
| johnx | (it is open source of course, but I still can't wrap my head around a problem) | 08:50 |
| timelyx | rm_you: err | 08:54 |
| timelyx | define "works for" | 08:54 |
| timelyx | does works for, or receives salary from? | 08:55 |
| timelyx | offhand, and excluding duplicates, and using the latter definition, i only recognize 3 | 08:56 |
| * mrglinux praying | 08:56 | |
| * mrglinux is praying | 08:56 | |
| rm_you | timelyx: what?! | 08:57 |
| rm_you | ok, what do you do for nokia? | 08:57 |
| * rm_you is confused | 08:57 | |
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| timelyx | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/5/ | 08:57 |
| lahiru | Hi.. is it possible to use N800 's cam from a pc ? | 08:58 |
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| johnx | ok, so just to figure this out: timelyx, are you also timeless and timely? | 08:59 |
| lahiru | I tried with motion. but it's really slow :( | 08:59 |
| timelyx | hi :) | 08:59 |
| rm_you | i was wondering that | 08:59 |
| rm_you | i don't think he's timeless? | 08:59 |
| rm_you | or am i wrong | 08:59 |
| lahiru | can't we use the cam via usb | 08:59 |
| timelyx | 08:59 Server timelyx is n=timeless@a88-115-13-211.elisa-laajakaista.fi (timeless) | 08:59 |
| rm_you | hrm | 08:59 |
| johnx | heh...should have checked that I guess | 08:59 |
| rm_you | but timeless works for nokia verymuchso? | 08:59 |
| * rm_you is confused again | 09:00 | |
| timelyx | yes | 09:00 |
| johnx | lahiru, not that I'm aware of | 09:00 |
| rm_you | you gave me code :P | 09:00 |
| timelyx | i do recognize myself when i look through the list :) | 09:00 |
| rm_you | which reminds me, I sent you another email :) | 09:00 |
| timelyx | yeah, i've been fighting paperwork | 09:00 |
| rm_you | :( | 09:00 |
| GAN800 | A noble fight | 09:00 |
| timelyx | a losing battle | 09:00 |
| timelyx | but i hope i struck a devastating block against a paper last night | 09:01 |
| Dekaritae | Yay, Sunrise XP works perfectly with FBReader | 09:01 |
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| lahiru | johnx: oh :( | 09:01 |
| timelyx | hrm... yes, block instead of blow is an interesting thought-o | 09:01 |
| lahiru | johnx: thanks. | 09:01 |
| johnx | lahiru, there might be a program like motion that works better, but I don't know | 09:02 |
| GAN800 | Goes with the losing battle. ;) | 09:02 |
| johnx | Dekaritae, good to hear | 09:02 |
| rm_you | lahiru: well... if X forwarding works, you could ssh -X in and use mplayer on the cam :P | 09:02 |
| timelyx | http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=n810&btnG=Search+Products&cid=10657832716709053816 | 09:02 |
| GAN800 | lahiru, it's possible, but most of the methods I've seen are rather convoluted. and by 'possible', I mean like an mjpeg stream. | 09:02 |
| timelyx | so, none of those will ship internationally? | 09:03 |
| johnx | an interesting idea...can device files be acessed through sshfs? | 09:03 |
| rm_you | well... | 09:03 |
| rm_you | dunno, but it's just mplayer tv:// | 09:03 |
| rm_you | sooo | 09:03 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: no | 09:03 |
| johnx | fair enough :) | 09:03 |
| rm_you | ssh -X root@n810 mplayer tv:// | 09:03 |
| KotCzarny | ie. you would be accessing local device anyway | 09:03 |
| timelyx | johnx: sshfs only requires sshd on the device, no? | 09:03 |
| timelyx | or do you mean /dev/X | 09:03 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, aaah...right...I didn't really think that through | 09:04 |
| KotCzarny | unless scp supports ioctls ;) | 09:04 |
| johnx | sshfs is backed by sftp actually | 09:05 |
| KotCzarny | timelyx: also sftp servvice enabled | 09:05 |
| KotCzarny | most default sshd configs do it anyway | 09:05 |
| johnx | timelyx, yes...just idle speculation on my part | 09:05 |
| KotCzarny | Subsystem sftp /usr/libexec/sftp-server | 09:05 |
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| * timelyx doesn't get it | 09:06 | |
| KotCzarny | think of it as a ftp over ssh | 09:06 |
| KotCzarny | +/- | 09:06 |
| timelyx | most stores i can find, e.g. http://www.despercia.com/nokia-n810.html seem to offer international shipping | 09:06 |
| timelyx | why is it so hard for people to use the internet to find a device? | 09:06 |
| KotCzarny | some countries are banned from getting nice tech | 09:07 |
| johnx | timelyx, for a second I was having thoughts of remote device level access through ssh, but there are lots of reasons it wouldn't work :/ | 09:07 |
| lahiru | mmm sounds interesting.. :) | 09:07 |
| KotCzarny | ie. north korea | 09:07 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: port forwarding | 09:07 |
| timelyx | s/ie\./e.g./ | 09:07 |
| timelyx | unless you mean only that country | 09:08 |
| timelyx | which is generally not what one means | 09:08 |
| KotCzarny | ie. it should work with tcp/udp | 09:08 |
| lahiru | GAN800: I just need to use it for my Image Processing stuffs. | 09:08 |
| KotCzarny | timelyx: can be others too, that was only an example | 09:08 |
| lahiru | GAN800: though of transmitting images from N800 to a PC | 09:08 |
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| timelyx | KotCzarny: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id_est | 09:09 |
| KotCzarny | timelyx: and? | 09:10 |
| KotCzarny | though thanks for clarifying :) | 09:10 |
| KotCzarny | but i have used it properly | 09:11 |
| KotCzarny | ie. made sense to use it there | 09:11 |
| timelyx | no | 09:11 |
| KotCzarny | show me my error then | 09:11 |
| timelyx | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id_est#ref_egie | 09:12 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 09:12 |
| KotCzarny | i saw it | 09:12 |
| timelyx | if you're saying there's more than one | 09:12 |
| timelyx | then you want an example, (e.g.) | 09:12 |
| KotCzarny | but i have said 'port forwarding, that is, tcp/udp' | 09:13 |
| timelyx | oh that case was correct | 09:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:13 |
| timelyx | your previous use was wrong | 09:13 |
| KotCzarny | ahm | 09:13 |
| * KotCzarny nods | 09:13 | |
| KotCzarny | with previous i agree | 09:13 |
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| timelyx | #ref_egiecomma is interesting | 09:14 |
| timelyx | i need to keep that in mind when correcting docs | 09:14 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 09:14 |
| * timelyx should try to figure out how to remove a changeset from a bzr series | 09:14 | |
| rm_you | GAN800: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 09:15 |
| rm_you | GAN800: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 09:15 |
| rm_you | "I have sent you an invitation to extras (which covers extras-devel as | 09:15 |
| rm_you | well). | 09:15 |
| rm_you | --BR" | 09:15 |
| GAN800 | woo | 09:15 |
| GAN800 | Upload, gogogo | 09:15 |
| rm_you | hrm | 09:16 |
| rm_you | need to generate GPG/SSH keys | 09:16 |
| rm_you | do they want DSA or RSA? | 09:16 |
| KotCzarny | NSA | 09:16 |
| timelyx | someone mentioned that dsa is frowned upon | 09:16 |
| * KotCzarny grins | 09:16 | |
| rm_you | lol | 09:16 |
| KotCzarny | nsa has them all | 09:16 |
| timelyx | but make sure you're using 097 and not 098 | 09:16 |
| rm_you | hrm | 09:17 |
| timelyx | 098 is too complicated for my tiny little mind :) | 09:17 |
| n800n | i forgot... where are the mimetypes stored? | 09:17 |
| timelyx | n800n: and google didn't tell you? | 09:17 |
| RST38h | GA,Kot: you can now filter by section and repo: http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo | 09:17 |
| RST38h | Still looking for Maemo-styled icons though | 09:18 |
| n800n | somebody here told me before | 09:18 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 09:18 |
| GAN800 | Like I said, downsize the .deb link, drop that column and use the .install arrow. :p | 09:18 |
| KotCzarny | rst, i have an idea | 09:18 |
| KotCzarny | make a meta categories | 09:18 |
| RST38h | Given that I am unwilling to drop the deb thing, where do I get a download icon in the same style? :) | 09:19 |
| RST38h | (I may drop it later but not now) | 09:19 |
| KotCzarny | ie. utilitie that will have few of them misspeled etc | 09:19 |
| RST38h | Kot: Aha | 09:19 |
| timelyx | what happened to gronmeyer? | 09:19 |
| RST38h | timelyx: nothing, it is still there | 09:19 |
| RST38h | it is not well usable from a tablet though | 09:19 |
| GAN800 | The direct .deb download is bad for newbies. | 09:19 |
| KotCzarny | what i hated in that repo/pkg mess is that sections are not usable | 09:19 |
| timelyx | RST38h: really? | 09:20 |
| RST38h | GA: Newbies shell use App Manager application | 09:20 |
| RST38h | s/shell/shall | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | ie. it could be in music, audio, user/sound etc | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | and one has to hit 'all' anyway | 09:20 |
| RST38h | Kot: this requires some handwork | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 09:20 |
| GAN800 | So a newbie should never see this site. . . . | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | but not that much | 09:20 |
| RST38h | Kot: But it can be done once though | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | and i don't want cherrypicking debs | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | only sections | 09:20 |
| RST38h | GA: Rather, when he sees this site, he should no longer be a newbie | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | ie. section aggregator | 09:21 |
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| RST38h | Kot: just keep the repo input line empty | 09:21 |
| KotCzarny | meh | 09:21 |
| RST38h | I will do something about section aggregation | 09:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:21 |
| GAN800 | Either way, he shouldn't get to the .deb link by accident. Which he will do if it's exactly the same size as the .install. | 09:21 |
| RST38h | Kot: Some people WANT to select by repo | 09:21 |
| KotCzarny | that's a good idea | 09:21 |
| KotCzarny | maybe add repo rating/priority too? | 09:22 |
| RST38h | Too complicated | 09:22 |
| KotCzarny | not really | 09:22 |
| GAN800 | Change the .deb link to a text and move it. | 09:22 |
| RST38h | And nobody will use rating anyway :( | 09:22 |
| KotCzarny | nokia's repos will have +10 | 09:22 |
| KotCzarny | extras will have +5 | 09:22 |
| RST38h | Kot: it was suggested to add commenting yesterday | 09:22 |
| RST38h | Kot: THAT may be of some use | 09:22 |
| KotCzarny | known offenders will have -5 | 09:22 |
| KotCzarny | and everything else will have 0 | 09:22 |
| RST38h | GA: Or change icon to a bomb =) | 09:22 |
| RST38h | nah, ratings I will not add, useless stuff +( | 09:23 |
| n800n | useless | 09:23 |
| RST38h | nobody rates and I don't want to rate by myself | 09:23 |
| KotCzarny | not package ratings | 09:23 |
| GAN800 | Why do you need the .deb link to be the same size as .install, anyway? | 09:23 |
| KotCzarny | think of it as priorities then | 09:23 |
| RST38h | GA: No specific reason, mostly visual neatness | 09:24 |
| RST38h | GA: I thikn I will make it available from folded text only | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | no ssh? | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 09:24 |
| GAN800 | Function over form. | 09:24 |
| RST38h | Well when it was added I was unsure of function :) | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo/index.php?Action=list&Platform=OS2008&Arg=ssh&Section=&Repo= | 09:24 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, good, folded text is where it _should_ be. ;) | 09:24 |
| RST38h | It shows me ssh | 09:25 |
| KotCzarny | rst, does it work at all? i get empty results | 09:25 |
| GAN800 | Hidden away for people who want it for a specifix reason, not in plain sight for any idiot to click on. | 09:25 |
| RST38h | openssh-client | 09:25 |
| KotCzarny | meh. | 09:25 |
| * johnx thinks out loud: it might be nice to have gdebi on the tablet... | 09:25 | |
| KotCzarny | useless then | 09:25 |
| RST38h | Kot: Using this link: http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo/index.php?Action=list&Platform=&Arg=ssh&Section=&Repo= | 09:26 |
| KotCzarny | add a 'search is a part of the string' checkbox | 09:26 |
| timelyx | RST38h / KotCzarny: what's the difference between section "" and section "" ? | 09:26 |
| RST38h | It is already there | 09:26 |
| timelyx | same for repository | 09:26 |
| RST38h | It DOES search part of the string | 09:26 |
| KotCzarny | ahm | 09:26 |
| RST38h | timelyx: first combo box value is always the last you have chosen | 09:26 |
| KotCzarny | rst, so os doesn't work yet? | 09:26 |
| RST38h | then you are presented with choices, including the one you have chosen last | 09:26 |
| RST38h | Kot: it does not | 09:26 |
| KotCzarny | ack. | 09:27 |
| RST38h | Kot: may even remove it completely | 09:27 |
| timelyx | RST38h: it'd be better if you didn't repeat things | 09:27 |
| KotCzarny | rst, don't | 09:27 |
| timelyx | instead just use <option selected=selected> | 09:27 |
| KotCzarny | some packages are incompatible | 09:27 |
| timelyx | people will figure it out | 09:27 |
| * GAN800 is with timelyx on that. | 09:27 | |
| RST38h | timelyx: this one has to do with html/php coding | 09:27 |
| RST38h | sorry, it is easier to code the way it is | 09:27 |
| timelyx | if php is really that broken, replace it | 09:27 |
| timelyx | also, please sort 2008 > 2007 > 2006 | 09:27 |
| RST38h | sorting I will do in a second | 09:28 |
| timelyx | and if "" means "any", replace "" with "any" | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | preselecting is trivial | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | even i can code it | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:28 |
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| timelyx | the size thing doesn't make sense | 09:28 |
| timelyx | 3kB | 09:28 |
| timelyx | -- | 09:28 |
| timelyx | 36kB | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | and you should display 'matched the name' > 'matched in the name' > 'matched in description' | 09:29 |
| timelyx | actually, you should color or bold matches | 09:29 |
| rm_you | wtf is a GPG key supposed to look like | 09:29 |
| rm_you | never used GPG :/ | 09:29 |
| timelyx | bonus points for using google colors for multi word searches | 09:30 |
| KotCzarny | trivial | 09:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:30 |
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| KotCzarny | replace() | 09:30 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:30 |
| KotCzarny | can even be done with js | 09:30 |
| rm_you | GAN800: any idea what GPG keys look like? | 09:31 |
| rm_you | what are they expecting | 09:31 |
| timelyx | img tags *must* have an ALT tag | 09:31 |
| timelyx | that's a requirement. period. | 09:31 |
| RST38h | Kot: I will highlight | 09:31 |
| timelyx | lines that contain "." only need to be converted into <p>s | 09:31 |
| KotCzarny | timelyx: alt="picture.jpg" ? | 09:31 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:31 |
| timelyx | alt="Download" alt="Install" | 09:32 |
| timelyx | etc | 09:32 |
| timelyx | i'd italicize the maintainer | 09:32 |
| GAN800 | rm_you, it looks like a GPG key. :p | 09:32 |
| timelyx | and i'd de-emphasize the version (small?) | 09:32 |
| RST38h | deemphasizing the verson is wrong | 09:33 |
| RST38h | tried that | 09:33 |
| RST38h | it confuses users | 09:33 |
| timelyx | you might as well make the top size link go to a page that offers to calculate download size for dialup (2g, 2.5g, 3g) | 09:33 |
| timelyx | that'll help people understand that it's download size | 09:33 |
| RST38h | I will clarify which size is the download one | 09:34 |
| timelyx | http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo/index.php?Action=install&PackageID=6780 | 09:34 |
| timelyx | that page is kinda blank | 09:34 |
| timelyx | did i do something wrong? | 09:34 |
| KotCzarny | wip probably | 09:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:34 |
| timelyx | note: i tend to do one drive by review on a site, and may never return :) | 09:35 |
| timelyx | so this is your only chance :) | 09:35 |
| rm_you | ah finally got it | 09:35 |
| timelyx | <OPTION VALUE="""libs">""libs | 09:36 |
| rm_you | LOL they tell me this in an email they send AFTER i give them my keys: "Note! Please make sure you use the type 'rsa' when creating the SSH key. | 09:36 |
| rm_you | " | 09:36 |
| timelyx | offfhand, i'm pretty sure that doesn't do what you want | 09:36 |
| GAN800 | rm_you, hehe | 09:36 |
| RST38h | is there some flag or css style tht I can attach to a paragraph to hide it? | 09:36 |
| RST38h | I mean the <P>/</P> paragraph | 09:37 |
| rm_you | GAN800: gah i have to rebuild all this stuff | 09:37 |
| GAN800 | display: none | 09:37 |
| GAN800 | rm_you autobuilder? | 09:37 |
| KotCzarny | display:none | 09:37 |
| timelyx | RST38h: P { visibility: collapse } ? | 09:38 |
| KotCzarny | you can later reenable it with display:block or inline | 09:38 |
| timelyx | depending on what you want | 09:38 |
| timelyx | visibility may be more correct | 09:38 |
| RST38h | timelyx: thanks | 09:38 |
| KotCzarny | setting height too | 09:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:38 |
| timelyx | note that you should use an id or class instead of trying to style all p's :) | 09:39 |
| RST38h | Kot: collapse should remove it completely right? | 09:39 |
| RST38h | timelyx: I will have to use it on per-p basis from javascript | 09:39 |
| KotCzarny | never used collapse | 09:39 |
| KotCzarny | only for borders | 09:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:39 |
| timelyx | RST38h: you might want to replace s/^-{5,}$/<hr>/ | 09:40 |
| RST38h | yea | 09:42 |
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| timelyx | johnx: the going away blogs will be /139/ and /140/ they're currently placeholders | 09:43 |
| johnx | hmm? | 09:43 |
| timelyx | RST38h: something's wrong w/ the openssh package | 09:44 |
| timelyx | http://mxr.maemo.org/chinook/source/openssh-3.8p1/debian/control | 09:44 |
| timelyx | the ---'d line is clearly ok | 09:44 |
| timelyx | link requires < http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb> | 09:45 |
| * timelyx doesn't like typing http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/ | 09:45 | |
| timelyx | <TD ALIGN=LEFT VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="100%"><TABLE WIDTH="100%"><TR><TD ALIGN=LEFT><B>openssh</B></TD><TD ALIGN=RIGHT><B>1:4.6p1-5.maemo1</B></TD></TR></TABLE><P ALIGN=CENTER><I>Secure shell client and server</I></P><P ALIGN=LEFT><TT>This is a metapackage depending on both the OpenSSH client and the OpenSSH server, which are now in separate packages. --------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>In some | 09:46 |
| timelyx | countries it may be illegal to use any encryption at all without a special permit. </TT></P> | 09:46 |
| timelyx | oh, and could you please add some newlines to the source code? :) | 09:46 |
| rm_you | hrm, do I have to wait a bit before I can upload packages? | 09:46 |
| timelyx | and you should probably try using .r { text-align: right } | 09:46 |
| timelyx | or something | 09:47 |
| rm_you | either that or I put in my key wrong, since it is giving me "permission denied" | 09:47 |
| timelyx | rm_you: you have ~/.ssh/id_rsa and ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub, right? | 09:47 |
| rm_you | yes | 09:47 |
| timelyx | cat ~/.ssh/*.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys | 09:48 |
| timelyx | ssh localhost | 09:48 |
| timelyx | if you can successfully ssh to localhost (sshd is installed, right?) | 09:48 |
| timelyx | then your key is working :) | 09:48 |
| rm_you | oh yes | 09:48 |
| rm_you | i mean, i already use this key | 09:48 |
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| rm_you | to ssh into this machine | 09:48 |
| rm_you | :/ | 09:48 |
| RST38h | timelyx: You are talking to a PHP script | 09:48 |
| RST38h | It doesn't care. | 09:48 |
| timelyx | RST38h: if i'm on dialup, i care | 09:49 |
| timelyx | repeated ALIGN=CENTERs suck | 09:49 |
| timelyx | class=c is a lot cheaper | 09:49 |
| timelyx | eww | 09:49 |
| timelyx | um... you need to html escape the maintainer | 09:50 |
| timelyx | <P ALIGN=RIGHT><I>Ed Bartosh <bartosh@gmail.com></I></P> | 09:50 |
| KotCzarny | not only that | 09:50 |
| timelyx | otherwise someone's going to inject evil code into your web page | 09:50 |
| KotCzarny | but anything from alien source | 09:50 |
| KotCzarny | s | 09:50 |
| timelyx | yeah well... let's start w/ that? :) | 09:50 |
| KotCzarny | just make a function :) | 09:50 |
| timelyx | oh, and to be nice to people | 09:51 |
| RST38h | timelyx: Yea, I am still working on fixing that =) | 09:51 |
| timelyx | it's probably not best to expose email addresses directly | 09:51 |
| timelyx | if you can recognize things you think are "names" | 09:51 |
| RST38h | These addresses are exposed already | 09:51 |
| timelyx | link to a page w/ the "name" | 09:51 |
| timelyx | yeah yeah | 09:51 |
| timelyx | (in fact, mxr exposes them) | 09:51 |
| rm_you | is there any way to change my RSA key on the garage page? | 09:51 |
| rm_you | i can only imagine i managed to put it in wrong :/ | 09:52 |
| timelyx | oh, btw, you should use <th> instead of <td><b> | 09:52 |
| GAN800 | Gotta wait for X-Fade to get here in 3 hours to hold your hand. :P | 09:53 |
| rm_you | lol | 09:53 |
| rm_you | maybe it just takes a while... | 09:53 |
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| GAN800 | The fox has to run your key bit-by-bit to the repo server. | 09:54 |
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| herwood | hi | 09:54 |
| rm_you | <_< | 09:55 |
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| herwood | does anybody know where I could find OBEX error codes? | 09:57 |
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| RST38h | ok, fixed email addresses | 10:01 |
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| RST38h | visibility:collapse does not collapse the paragraph just hides it =9 | 10:04 |
| rm_you | GAN800: ok well anyway, beta? | 10:05 |
| GAN800 | Sure | 10:05 |
| GAN800 | it's too damn hot to sleep. | 10:05 |
| rm_you | remember to disable it before you replace the .so | 10:06 |
| rm_you | or it will crash :P | 10:06 |
| rm_you | also, first thing you do, move the volume slider | 10:06 |
| rm_you | and tell me if it crashes | 10:06 |
| rm_you | it still does the "crash like once per install on first volume slider movement" thing.... | 10:06 |
| rm_you | still stumped on that, but it seems to happen almost every install, but only ONCE EVER :P | 10:06 |
| KotCzarny | rst: use display:none then | 10:07 |
| RST38h | height=0px;overflow=hidden; does it | 10:08 |
| RST38h | lemme check display:none | 10:08 |
| RST38h | display:none works | 10:09 |
| RST38h | Any JS wizard cares to tell me how to quickly toggle it on click? | 10:09 |
| Dekaritae | http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/sys/706725153.html | 10:09 |
| Dekaritae | Er | 10:09 |
| KotCzarny | i can | 10:09 |
| RST38h | i.e. inside onclick | 10:09 |
| KotCzarny | just a moment | 10:09 |
| RST38h | ? | 10:09 |
| KotCzarny | <span onclick="document.getElementById('hide_xtrans').innerHTML=''"> | 10:10 |
| KotCzarny | erm, wrong one | 10:10 |
| RST38h | aha | 10:10 |
| RST38h | no no | 10:10 |
| RST38h | this will delete it :) | 10:10 |
| KotCzarny | well | 10:11 |
| KotCzarny | ok, so i don't have code handy | 10:12 |
| RST38h | ok, how do I access current element's css values from js? | 10:13 |
| KotCzarny | this.style ? | 10:13 |
| timelyx | getComputedStyle | 10:13 |
| KotCzarny | but i bet some of the props are available by this.style.prop | 10:14 |
| RST38h | ah | 10:14 |
| RST38h | this. | 10:14 |
| * RST38h stupid | 10:14 | |
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| zumbi_ | hi - can somebody tell me what xserver is nokia devices running? | 10:16 |
| KotCzarny | kdrive | 10:16 |
| KotCzarny | afair | 10:16 |
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| johnx | xomap, derived from kdrive, derived from tinyx | 10:18 |
| johnx | similar to xfbdev in many ways | 10:18 |
| RST38h | All righty | 10:21 |
| RST38h | I have done toggling | 10:21 |
| RST38h | Try | 10:21 |
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| GAN800 | rm_you, yes crash. | 10:21 |
| zumbi_ | do you think there is a debian package for those X servers? | 10:21 |
| KotCzarny | unlikely | 10:21 |
| zumbi_ | in debian i just can find xserver-xephyr | 10:22 |
| KotCzarny | but don't cite me | 10:22 |
| zumbi_ | fine, thanks - another question would be about hildon status.. is it working fine on some other resolution screens? | 10:23 |
| rm_you | GAN800: ok well, what do you think? (assuming you actually reloaded it) | 10:25 |
| rm_you | k | 10:25 |
| GAN800 | rm_you, change "Allow Zero backlight" to something else and s/Orginal/Default/ | 10:25 |
| KotCzarny | zumbi: define 'working' | 10:25 |
| rm_you | ? :/ | 10:25 |
| rm_you | to what else | 10:25 |
| Dekaritae | Is underclocking an option to conserve battery, or is this already done? | 10:26 |
| KotCzarny | already done | 10:26 |
| rm_you | KotCzarny: well? | 10:26 |
| KotCzarny | rm: huh? | 10:26 |
| rm_you | Dekaritae: lcuk does it in his new app... | 10:26 |
| rm_you | underclocking | 10:26 |
| GAN800 | Allow backlight-off or Allow turning off backlight and change the N800 warning. | 10:26 |
| rm_you | >_> | 10:26 |
| zumbi_ | KotCzarny: with 'working' i mean if hildon does fine on other resolution screen, besides N{7,8}xx devices | 10:27 |
| GAN800 | or at least lowercase it. | 10:27 |
| rm_you | I was going to have MORE warnings | 10:27 |
| Dekaritae | My Palm runs at 200Mhz but I use Lightspeed to drop it down to 133 Mhz when playing music or reading books | 10:27 |
| KotCzarny | zumbi: then answer is: partially | 10:27 |
| rm_you | and a second checkbox "Are you REALLY sure?" | 10:27 |
| KotCzarny | ie. with rotating you can get 480x800 res | 10:27 |
| KotCzarny | and some windows are simply too wide to use comfortably | 10:27 |
| zumbi_ | KotCzarny: ok - i understand it works then, but it may have to be hacked a little | 10:27 |
| KotCzarny | but overall works | 10:27 |
| GAN800 | Dekaritae, cpu speed is adjusted automatically | 10:27 |
| zumbi_ | KotCzarny: thanks | 10:28 |
| KotCzarny | it's just that 800x480 is assumed in many places | 10:28 |
| johnx | zumbi_, hildon the lib works fine, hildon-desktop with panels is a bit resolution dependent | 10:28 |
| GAN800 | rm_you, did you see the hardware keys patch on Garage? | 10:28 |
| rm_you | ? | 10:28 |
| rm_you | no? | 10:28 |
| KotCzarny | Dekaritae: you can hack speeds inside the kernel | 10:28 |
| Dekaritae | Ah | 10:29 |
| GAN800 | Check Garage. :P | 10:29 |
| GAN800 | There's a patch somebody submitted to allow hardware keys to control the applet. | 10:30 |
| rm_you | ah nice | 10:30 |
| GAN800 | Anyway, I'm sleeping now. Toss me whatever you get going via email. | 10:31 |
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| rm_you | so wait | 10:31 |
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| GAN800 | ? | 10:31 |
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| rm_you | whats wrong with "Allow Zero Backlight (n800 users beware!)" | 10:31 |
| GAN800 | Well, correct the capitalisation at least (zero backlight, N800) | 10:32 |
| rm_you | why is it bad like it is? | 10:32 |
| rm_you | >_> | 10:32 |
| GAN800 | I'm just not in love with the phrasing, but it's not super important as I don't have a great alternative. | 10:32 |
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| GAN800 | Is it checked by default for N810 users? | 10:33 |
| rm_you | ok | 10:33 |
| rm_you | anyone else have any good ideas? | 10:33 |
| rm_you | better for a checkbox than "Allow Zero Backlight (n800 users beware!)" | 10:33 |
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| GAN800 | Because I imagine more N810 users will want to turn it off than N800 users on. | 10:34 |
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| gomiam | wtf? | 10:34 |
| rm_you | hrm | 10:34 |
| gomiam | I'm suffering disconnections continuously | 10:35 |
| GAN800 | night | 10:35 |
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| rm_you | night | 10:37 |
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| Mikho | does anybody know how to *unload* a desktop plugin? | 10:46 |
| keesj | you can disable them with the menu , unloading is a lot harder | 10:47 |
| Mikho | Id like to give the user a simple "Quit" button in the plugin | 10:47 |
| Mikho | why does it have to be so difficult? | 10:48 |
| timelyx | it's conceptually hard | 10:48 |
| timelyx | the launcher doesn't really know what hooks you've introduced | 10:48 |
| timelyx | or how well you can clean up | 10:48 |
| Mikho | well, the launcher doesn't need to know, as it's the plugin thats killing itself | 10:49 |
| lcuk | if you can "quit" a plugin, doesnt it just become a normal app you can run | 10:50 |
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| Mikho | normal app wouldn't run in the statusbar area | 10:53 |
| Mikho | I want it to run in the statusbar area | 10:53 |
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| timelyx | Mikho: you know that the user can uncheck your item from the control panel, right? | 10:57 |
| timelyx | and have you looked at pidgin? | 10:58 |
| johnx | can't the statusbar be a host to normal linux tray applets? | 10:58 |
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| rm_you | Mikho: you should have a finalize function... you can just call them manually | 11:00 |
| rm_you | *that | 11:00 |
| rm_you | G_OBJECT_CLASS(g_type_class_peek_parent(G_OBJECT_GET_CLASS(object)))->finalize(object); | 11:00 |
| rm_you | g_free(statusbar_plugin); | 11:00 |
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| rm_you | err | 11:00 |
| rm_you | AdvancedBacklightPlugin *statusbar_plugin=ADVANCED_BACKLIGHT_PLUGIN(object); | 11:01 |
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| Mikho | well, I have a finalize function, but I'm not sure if it's enough if I just call it, as it's supposed to be a callback function | 11:01 |
| Mikho | and I don't want the user to meddle with control panel in order to just run or quit the plugin. Too many clicks | 11:02 |
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| Mikho | rm_you, are you sure just calling finalize is enough? | 11:03 |
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| rm_you | not sure... | 11:07 |
| rm_you | possibly not | 11:07 |
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| Mikho | I'm checking hd-plugin-manager.c in hildon-desktop sources to find out how it loads the plugins | 11:12 |
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| timelyx | have you checked pidgin yet? | 11:14 |
| timelyx | http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/pidgin/trunk/ (very old version) | 11:15 |
| timelyx | infobot mxr-maemo-org dns? | 11:15 |
| timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 11:16 |
| timelyx | oh well | 11:16 |
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| Mikho | no, I wasn't sure what you meant by checking pidgin at first | 11:17 |
| timelyx | well... pidgin is an application, and it probably can appear in the status bar | 11:18 |
| timelyx | it might also be able to disappear from it | 11:18 |
| timelyx | if it can, then since it's open source, you can find out how by reading the source :) | 11:18 |
| Mikho | oh, I see | 11:18 |
| timelyx | this is the power of open source ... :) | 11:18 |
| Mikho | Didn't know you had pidgin on N810 | 11:18 |
| Mikho | I'm running it on my work pc atm | 11:18 |
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| timelyx | infobot gronmayer? | 11:19 |
| infobot | well, gronmayer is an index of maemo/ITOS repositories http://gronmayer.com/it | 11:19 |
| timelyx | you probably want to visit that site | 11:20 |
| timelyx | maybe the other one someone was writing earlier | 11:20 |
| timelyx | ... today :) | 11:20 |
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| Mikho | timelyx, you're right, pidgin runs in the statusbar and it has a quit button | 11:30 |
| Mikho | I'll check the source | 11:30 |
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| rm_you | erk | 11:36 |
| rm_you | johnx: you there? | 11:36 |
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| johnx | for another 5 min :P | 11:37 |
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| rm_you | lol | 11:37 |
| rm_you | so... that guy posting howtos on the a2dp thread | 11:37 |
| rm_you | didn't he just like... | 11:37 |
| rm_you | make it work worse than just using a2dp on | 11:37 |
| rm_you | and then switching kagu to mplayer? | 11:37 |
| rm_you | >_> | 11:37 |
| johnx | yeah...kinda | 11:37 |
| johnx | but uhm...you're right | 11:38 |
| johnx | I forgot it was that easy | 11:38 |
| rm_you | i kinda want to go tell him to shit up | 11:38 |
| rm_you | *shut | 11:38 |
| rm_you | lol | 11:38 |
| johnx | try and be nice | 11:38 |
| rm_you | <_< | 11:38 |
| johnx | maybe he'll actually improve it if encouraged | 11:38 |
| rm_you | he added like 5 layers of abstraction | 11:38 |
| rm_you | and rewrote the perfectly legible howto you had on page 1 | 11:38 |
| johnx | and used my crappy script anyways :) | 11:38 |
| rm_you | yeah | 11:38 |
| rm_you | >_> | 11:38 |
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| johnx | so ask him how it's better | 11:39 |
| johnx | BTW, tracked my sapwood problem down to either: sapwood_pixmap_get_for_file or pixbuf_proto_request | 11:41 |
| b0unc3 | good morning | 11:41 |
| johnx | mornin' | 11:41 |
| rm_you | wtf is sapwood | 11:41 |
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| johnx | some weird pixmap loader/cacher for hildon themes | 11:41 |
| rm_you | hrm | 11:42 |
| johnx | all I care is that it doesn't work right on my zaurus | 11:42 |
| johnx | anyways, out of here | 11:42 |
| rm_you | running hildon on ur zaurus? :P | 11:42 |
| johnx | 'later | 11:42 |
| rm_you | lol, to work? | 11:42 |
| johnx | rm_you, yup | 11:42 |
| b0unc3 | guys, the scratchbox installation put something in /opt ? | 11:45 |
| kulve | no, not by default | 11:45 |
| kulve | by default it goes to /scratchbox | 11:45 |
| b0unc3 | uhm... I found a /opt/maemo/... and I don't know what is it... | 11:47 |
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| andre___ | hmm, how do i create an account in wiki.maemo.org? when i click on "log in / create account" i only get a login option | 11:53 |
| trickie|work | andre___: should be the same as the garage/other maemo login | 11:57 |
| trickie|work | single sign on | 11:57 |
| trickie|work | ish | 11:57 |
| trickie|work | i think | 11:57 |
| andre___ | argh, right, we merged that | 11:58 |
| * andre___ slaps himself | 11:58 | |
| andre___ | thanks! | 11:58 |
| trickie|work | np | 11:59 |
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| rm_you | X-Fade: you there? | 12:41 |
| lardman | lcuk: video looks good :) | 12:42 |
| lardman | lcuk: But where's the bit with physics effects and zooming while you hold - that is also very cool so stick it in! :) | 12:43 |
| rm_you | lardman: so SBC works? :P | 12:44 |
| * rm_you is excited | 12:44 | |
| lardman | rm_you: effectively sbcenc on BE .au files, yes | 12:44 |
| rm_you | heh | 12:44 |
| rm_you | well | 12:44 |
| rm_you | ... hrm | 12:44 |
| lardman | rm_you: That's the test code, so that's what I implemented | 12:44 |
| rm_you | how will mp3 work? | 12:45 |
| rm_you | does it normally decode on the DSP? | 12:45 |
| rm_you | if so, will that have it decoding AND encoding on the DSP? | 12:45 |
| lardman | yeah, that will be troublesome | 12:45 |
| rm_you | <_< | 12:45 |
| rm_you | >_> | 12:45 |
| rm_you | <_< | 12:45 |
| lardman | no, you can't obtain the pcm data after decode | 12:45 |
| lardman | unfortunately | 12:45 |
| rm_you | ok well | 12:45 |
| rm_you | libmad is fine | 12:45 |
| rm_you | our processor isn't THAT slow | 12:45 |
| timelyx | rm_you: http://mxr.maemo.org/chinook/find?string=sapwood :) | 12:45 |
| lardman | but atm the ARM has to do mp3 decode + sbc encode, so we'll save something | 12:45 |
| rm_you | yeah | 12:45 |
| rm_you | a lot, hopefully | 12:46 |
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| hrw | morning | 12:46 |
| rm_you | timelyx: lol, a little late :P | 12:46 |
| timelyx | http://mxr.maemo.org/chinook/find?string=sapwood | 12:46 |
| rm_you | timelyx: you at work? :P | 12:46 |
| lardman | Serge obtained the code for a basic mp3 decoder, so I'll start on that next | 12:46 |
| timelyx | http://mxr.maemo.org/chinook/source/sapwood-3.0.0/README | 12:46 |
| rm_you | timelyx: yes, I get it :P | 12:46 |
| timelyx | rm_you: the in my nick 'x' means i'm on my mac (at home) | 12:46 |
| rm_you | ah | 12:46 |
| rm_you | ok | 12:46 |
| rm_you | ... | 12:46 |
| * timelyx obviously got stuck in scrollback | 12:47 | |
| rm_you | you should SSH into work and tell me if the display applet IS for sure using a HildonMenu | 12:47 |
| rm_you | lol | 12:47 |
| lcuk | lardman, its no good posting here in daytime i almost always miss things :P you are right about the scaling and jostling, but i did too many sketches and there are simply too many for the screen at the mo, when i finish the categorisation and evolution code it will be back (along with other stuff) | 12:47 |
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| rm_you | err, a GtkMenu or any derivative | 12:47 |
| timelyx | no, i should walk to work and get lunch :) | 12:47 |
| rm_you | lol | 12:47 |
| rm_you | ok... and then that thing I suggested :P | 12:48 |
| timelyx | we'll see... | 12:48 |
| rm_you | I've been battling with this thing for 6 months! throw me a bone >_> | 12:48 |
| rm_you | if you don't believe me, look at IRC logs for december/january :P | 12:48 |
| * lcuk throws RM a bone and remembers also starting on a road a few months ago :) | 12:48 | |
| rm_you | lol yeah | 12:49 |
| timelyx | you haven't given me a reason not to believe you (good thing too) | 12:49 |
| rm_you | heh | 12:49 |
| lardman | lcuk: no worries, I just emailed you to make sure you got it | 12:49 |
| rm_you | well, back to working on iconset themes | 12:49 |
| rm_you | and then would love to beta 0.9 tonight | 12:49 |
| rm_you | and get it out tomorrow pending no major bugs | 12:49 |
| rm_you | been too long since release | 12:49 |
| lcuk | lol using vnc is v slow and im running a scan on this computer so vnc is flashing hypnotically | 12:50 |
| rm_you | I need to find a decent C string library to use | 12:50 |
| rm_you | tired of dealing with char* and strncpy | 12:50 |
| lcuk | whats wrong with the built in funcs rm? | 12:50 |
| rm_you | ? | 12:51 |
| rm_you | is there a builtin string lib? | 12:51 |
| rm_you | I wasn't aware of one | 12:51 |
| lcuk | you're already using it :P | 12:51 |
| rm_you | I don't use C much tho >_> I'm a C++ / Java guy | 12:51 |
| rm_you | <_< | 12:51 |
| lcuk | the cpu | 12:51 |
| rm_you | char* / sprintf / strncpy is ANNOYING to deal with | 12:51 |
| rm_you | when i just want to have a simple string | 12:51 |
| rm_you | especially variable length | 12:52 |
| rm_you | right now I'm wasting resources making them bigger than they need to be by quite a bit to avoid overflows | 12:52 |
| lcuk | strndup will copy an arbitary length string (free with free) | 12:53 |
| rm_you | I also really need to get this stuff split up into multiple files... this one huge file is becoming very cluttered | 12:53 |
| rm_you | hrm | 12:53 |
| lcuk | or just malloc what you need | 12:53 |
| rm_you | yeah... about that | 12:53 |
| rm_you | well, i use calloc generally... no real difference, right? | 12:53 |
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| lcuk | apart from speed, if you are going to init it yourself whats the point in wasting time running { malloc(); clear() }... | 12:54 |
| lardman | ~lart dsp polling | 12:54 |
| * infobot blasts dsp polling to oblivion with a kamehameha wave | 12:54 | |
| rm_you | not gonna... | 12:55 |
| rm_you | like right now, i need to read all the files in a directory | 12:55 |
| lcuk | if you're not gonna init it yourself, why are you allocating? | 12:55 |
| rm_you | and do a bunch of string ops on the filenames | 12:55 |
| rm_you | erm | 12:55 |
| lcuk | lol heh... | 12:55 |
| * rm_you just hates C strings | 12:57 | |
| lardman | cu chaps later on | 12:57 |
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| lcuk | string parsing and pattern matching can be done numerous ways, if you can get away with a scanf great, if not, a simple regex might work well for you, failing that you could create a mini parser, or even define a complete grammar for them, the point is you can certainly find what you need and not be limited to just whats supplied - theres plenty of things around - general c code libraries do exist and most are platform independent so | 12:57 |
| lcuk | dont just look for maemo libs | 12:57 |
| rm_you | yeah | 12:58 |
| rm_you | thats why i said i needed to look for a decent string library :P | 12:58 |
| lcuk | :D | 12:58 |
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| rm_you | ... and we're back around to the beginning of the conversation | 12:58 |
| lcuk | i had similar issues, both with filenames and contents | 12:58 |
| rm_you | \so anyway... know any good ones | 12:58 |
| rm_you | ? | 12:58 |
| lcuk | that is life | 12:58 |
| rm_you | I could do regexp i suppose... | 12:59 |
| * rm_you knows regexp! :P | 12:59 | |
| lcuk | i just split my filenames at arbitary seperators and make sure each span is in the right format | 12:59 |
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| trickie|work | mgedmin: its a replacement i have when i 'escape :wq' in irc windows | 13:31 |
| trickie|work | mgedmin: meant to make my co-workers laugh | 13:32 |
| trickie|work | :) | 13:32 |
| rm_you | i hit esc :wq in notepad a lot <_< | 13:33 |
| rm_you | and Word | 13:33 |
| rm_you | and VB6 | 13:33 |
| rm_you | and real life <_< | 13:33 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: Can you try again? | 13:33 |
| hrw | I used gvim with BC++ | 13:33 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: tried twice more | 13:33 |
| X-Fade | I don't see any connections from you. | 13:34 |
| rm_you | >_< | 13:34 |
| rm_you | want me to put it on loop? :P | 13:34 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: Can you try again? ;) | 13:35 |
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| rm_you | there its on loop | 13:36 |
| rm_you | while true; do | 13:37 |
| rm_you | :P | 13:37 |
| X-Fade | I see your ip. Ends on 224. | 13:37 |
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| mgedmin | rm_you: what are you trying? | 13:37 |
| rm_you | uploading to extras | 13:37 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: Do you have pubkey auth enabled? | 13:37 |
| mgedmin | dput? | 13:37 |
| mgedmin | if you run ssh garage.maemo.org, what do you see? | 13:38 |
| mgedmin | you should get a message that this is a restricted account and that you cannot execute anything there | 13:38 |
| rm_you | Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). | 13:39 |
| rm_you | :( | 13:39 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: Invalid user aharwell | 13:39 |
| mgedmin | username mismatch! | 13:39 |
| rm_you | GAH | 13:39 |
| rm_you | right | 13:39 |
| X-Fade | And invalid user hrw too ;) | 13:40 |
| rm_you | This is a restricted account. | 13:40 |
| X-Fade | Accepted publickey for rm_you from 131. | 13:40 |
| rm_you | k | 13:40 |
| rm_you | so | 13:40 |
| rm_you | why doesnt dput work | 13:40 |
| rm_you | dput still permission denied | 13:40 |
| mgedmin | are you sure that's not the same problem? | 13:40 |
| mgedmin | is dput using the right username? | 13:40 |
| rm_you | errr | 13:41 |
| rm_you | yes | 13:41 |
| X-Fade | Did you specify a username for dput? | 13:41 |
| rm_you | but | 13:41 |
| rm_you | i think its going to the wrong server | 13:41 |
| rm_you | or rather | 13:41 |
| mgedmin | trying to upload to debian instead of maemo? ;-) | 13:41 |
| hrw | X-Fade: just had to check ;d | 13:41 |
| rm_you | the scp line just has "rm_you@garage:/" | 13:41 |
| rm_you | it does have the full host | 13:41 |
| rm_you | s/does/doesn't/ | 13:41 |
| infobot | rm_you meant: it doesn't have the full host | 13:41 |
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| X-Fade | run it with verbose? | 13:42 |
| mgedmin | .ssh/config allows you to use shortcuts | 13:42 |
| mgedmin | like described in http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/extras_repository.html | 13:42 |
| rm_you | there | 13:42 |
| rm_you | got it | 13:42 |
| rm_you | the code i copy/pasted into my dput.conf was wrong | 13:42 |
| rm_you | it just had "garage" as the fqdn | 13:42 |
| rm_you | <_< | 13:42 |
| mgedmin | heh | 13:43 |
| hrw | time to run own repo :D | 13:43 |
| hrw | e2fsprogs is n/a for os2008 | 13:43 |
| mgedmin | but still... permission denied instead of cannot resolve hostname? weird | 13:43 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: If you use the assistant, then you don't have to worry about this complicated ssh thingie ;) | 13:43 |
| mgedmin | X-Fade: the assistant is pretty! | 13:43 |
| * mgedmin wishes he had something ready to upload | 13:44 | |
| rm_you | which assistant? | 13:44 |
| rm_you | didn't see anything about that | 13:44 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: Well, that was the last thing I was aiming for ;) | 13:44 |
| mgedmin | https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php | 13:44 |
| X-Fade | But the assistant uploads to the autobuilder and not directly to the repo. | 13:44 |
| andre___ | hmm, so it seems the source code of mnotify is not available? (man, we really need a list of that) | 13:45 |
| Italodance | hi guys | 13:45 |
| mgedmin | that's good, I think | 13:45 |
| mgedmin | makes sure your source package works | 13:45 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, and it uploads to extras-devel. So you have to promote your own package to extras atm. | 13:46 |
| rm_you | so, is my package installable via extras now? | 13:46 |
| rm_you | or do i have to wait more | 13:46 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: The queuerunner runs a few times an hour. So it takes a little bit of time. | 13:46 |
| rm_you | k | 13:46 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: What app did you upload? | 13:47 |
| rm_you | advanced-backlight | 13:47 |
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| X-Fade | rm_you: It is already in extras. | 13:48 |
| rm_you | sweet. | 13:48 |
| rm_you | that was quick | 13:48 |
| X-Fade | But you have to wait for the caching network to catch up ;) | 13:49 |
| rm_you | :P | 13:49 |
| rm_you | yeah | 13:49 |
| rm_you | hope to debut 0.9 in there tomorrow | 13:49 |
| X-Fade | Filename: pool/chinook/free/a/advanced-backlight/advanced-backlight_0.8-1_armel.deb | 13:50 |
| hrw | guys: if I would prepare debian srcpackage - can someone try to build it? | 13:50 |
| X-Fade | hrw: Just upload them to the autobuilder? | 13:50 |
| rm_you | and if someone can sneak me some info about the nokia display statusbar applet... *hint hint* | 13:50 |
| hrw | X-Fade: I do not have idea will it be proper at all | 13:50 |
| mgedmin | rm_you: it has a picture of a sun, but don't tell anyone! | 13:51 |
| mgedmin | hrw: sure | 13:51 |
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| X-Fade | hrw: Doesn't matter. It will end up in -devel only if it builds ;) | 13:51 |
| hrw | ;D | 13:51 |
| X-Fade | hrw: And extras-devel is for experimental packages, so no problem. | 13:51 |
| hrw | it is part of our LT evil plan | 13:51 |
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| X-Fade | hrw: Use the assistant to request rights and upload the source package. See if that works for you. | 13:53 |
| rm_you | damn, quim rejected my bug / request for the display applet source :( | 13:54 |
| rm_you | so 6 more months of suffering are in my future | 13:54 |
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| rm_you | until fremantle, after which i get to suffer for another inordinate amount of time | 13:54 |
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| Italodance | rm_you | 13:57 |
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| rm_you | yo | 13:59 |
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| Italodance | rm_you did u installed xmms? | 14:00 |
| rm_you | at one point | 14:00 |
| rm_you | havent since my last flash tho | 14:01 |
| Italodance | oh | 14:01 |
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| hrw | someone has e2fsprogs for maemo/os2008? | 14:05 |
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| mrglinux | hasn't made n8XX in Korea too ? | 14:12 |
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| rm_you | who here uses Advanced Backlight? | 14:36 |
| luogni | rm_you, i use it! | 14:39 |
| hrw | someone want e2fsprogs? | 14:39 |
| rm_you | luogni: you use n810 or n800? | 14:39 |
| luogni | rm_you, N800 os2008 | 14:39 |
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| luogni | hrw, isn't e2fsprogs already in maemo repository ? | 14:40 |
| rm_you | luogni: so, the new backlight applet has the ability to turn the backlight completely off | 14:41 |
| X-Fade | The SDK repo, but not extras. | 14:41 |
| hrw | luogni: my n810 does not see it | 14:41 |
| rm_you | luogni: which on the n800 makes it impossible to see the screen | 14:41 |
| rm_you | luogni: now, by default it will NOT let n800 users do this | 14:41 |
| lcuk | not impossible to see the screen, it just makes it like pin the tail on the donkey | 14:41 |
| * unixSnob also uses adv-backlight on an n800 | 14:41 | |
| rm_you | luogni: but in the settings menu there is a checkbox that will lets you do that | 14:41 |
| luogni | hrw, right, it's not in extras, only in SDK | 14:41 |
| rm_you | lcuk: n800 isn't transflective or whatever... >_> | 14:42 |
| rm_you | luogni / unixSnob: so, what would you think the checkbox should say? | 14:42 |
| lcuk | and the blindfold i wear when pinning the tail isnt lace or anything... | 14:42 |
| rm_you | right now the text on the checkbox is: "Allow Zero Backlight (n800 users beware!)" | 14:42 |
| unixSnob | I must have a slightly older version.. I don't think I have that option | 14:43 |
| rm_you | GA didn't like that text <_< | 14:43 |
| rm_you | unixSnob: this is the 0.9 beta | 14:43 |
| rm_you | just about to release it | 14:43 |
| luogni | rm_you, why would someone set zero backlight? is it useful? | 14:43 |
| rm_you | on n810 yes | 14:43 |
| lcuk | cant you identify machine type and just allow or disallow depending upon model | 14:43 |
| rm_you | on n800 i dunno | 14:43 |
| rm_you | lcuk: yes, that was the old behavior | 14:43 |
| rm_you | by popular vote i am allowing the OPTION | 14:43 |
| luogni | rm_you, just disable it on n800 :) | 14:43 |
| rm_you | i did | 14:43 |
| lcuk | but the option itself shouldnt even be visible for 800 owners surely? | 14:43 |
| rm_you | but people wanted the OPTION available in case | 14:43 |
| unixSnob | what is zero backlight? Is it reduced less than one, or is it off? | 14:44 |
| rm_you | no, n800 users specifically requested the option to let it do that | 14:44 |
| lcuk | mind you with 0 level backlight it sorta cures itself :) | 14:44 |
| rm_you | off | 14:44 |
| hrw | ~curse nokia guy who 'maintain' busybox | 14:44 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, nokia guy who 'maintain' busybox ! | 14:44 |
| hrw | ~curse nokia guy who 'maintain' busybox again until he learn | 14:44 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, nokia guy who 'maintain' busybox again until he learn ! | 14:44 |
| rm_you | right so the default behavior in the past was always: n810: allow backlight off, n800: allowbacklight to go to minimum but not off | 14:45 |
| rm_you | so now there is an option in the new settings menu | 14:45 |
| rm_you | to allow n800 users to let it turn off their backlight | 14:45 |
| rm_you | what do you think the checkbox text should be? | 14:45 |
| lcuk | but can me as an 810 owner prevent all off - we arent always in the sun :) | 14:45 |
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| rm_you | lcuk: yes | 14:46 |
| rm_you | n810 users can uncheck it | 14:46 |
| luogni | rm_you, oh ok! maybe just add a check like "Allow Zero Backlight" and when you press OK (or check the checkbox) show a msgbox to n800 users "Are you really sure you want to enable it?" | 14:46 |
| rm_you | lol | 14:46 |
| rm_you | i thought about that | 14:46 |
| unixSnob | rm_you: I think it's well written as it is, if there really is reason for caution | 14:46 |
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| unixSnob | What's the risk to n800 users? | 14:46 |
| rm_you | will release a beta in a sec and you'll see | 14:46 |
| rm_you | well, its hard to turn it back on if you cant see the screen to open the menu and poke the slider :P | 14:47 |
| lcuk | "You have disabled the backlight, please press [here] to cancel this operation and restore your backlight" ;) | 14:47 |
| unixSnob | If there is a separate popup warning, it should also state the risk | 14:47 |
| rm_you | yeah maybe I will do that | 14:47 |
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| lcuk | actually, the (yuck) windows display settings have it right "you have changed your settings, click ok to confirm they are good" with a 10 second countdown which restores things if you dont click | 14:48 |
| luogni | lcuk, well it's quite different. i don't want a popup every time i change brightness :) | 14:49 |
| lcuk | but all this is way OTT for a little app ;) UI designers really are busy people | 14:49 |
| lcuk | no you dont luo, but if you mouseup after turning it totally off its a bit different | 14:49 |
| * unixSnob wonders why n810 users are relieved from the zero backlight problem | 14:50 | |
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| lcuk | cos the screen has little holes to allow light to filter behind and data is somewhere visible in bright sunlight with the light totally off | 14:54 |
| lcuk | i can see a matrix of dots (about every 4-8pixels) when i look closely in sun | 14:54 |
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| unixSnob | ah.. so n810 users are a little hindered.. you must have bright light to get to it, it sounds | 14:55 |
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| unixSnob | Well the app could simply bump the value up to 1 if there is any interaction.. that would be the way to fix it | 14:56 |
| lcuk | yer, but i suppose its better than not visible at all | 14:56 |
| unixSnob | rm_you: is that complicated to implement? | 14:57 |
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| * unixSnob suspects it would be easy to act on any action... doesn't the IM apps have the same feature, so an offline user can have their status set to online when they access the device? | 14:58 | |
| rm_you | hrm | 14:58 |
| rm_you | possibly | 14:58 |
| rm_you | but then there wouldnt really be a point of turning it off | 14:58 |
| rm_you | because people who REALLY want it off, REALLY want it off | 14:58 |
| unixSnob | rm_you: i thought the point in turning it off was to pre-empt the timeout.. for battery savings | 14:59 |
| rm_you | erm | 14:59 |
| rm_you | i cant speculate as to why people want what people want | 14:59 |
| rm_you | i just know how frustrated I get when the application thinks it is smarter than me and knows what i want better than i do | 14:59 |
| rm_you | which it doesn't. | 15:00 |
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| rm_you | i try to reflect that in my programming | 15:00 |
| rm_you | the application should not try to outthink the user. | 15:00 |
| unixSnob | rm_you: then the answer would be to change the value from zero to 1 after a specified action that could not happen accidentally.. like pressing up then down, for example | 15:00 |
| rm_you | heh | 15:00 |
| rm_you | possibly | 15:00 |
| rm_you | actually... | 15:01 |
| mgedmin | oh, joy, darius sent another mail to the list | 15:01 |
| jesh | hello | 15:02 |
| unixSnob | One thing that bothers me about turning the backlight on is that there is no neutral action to get it on | 15:02 |
| jesh | does anyone happen to know where g_warnings go on scratchbox? :) | 15:02 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: Yeah, another classic :) | 15:02 |
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| jesh | shoud i set some enviroment variable to see them? | 15:02 |
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| RST38h | mgedmin,unixSnob,rm_you: fms.komkon.org/Maemo | 15:03 |
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| mgedmin | lcuk: level 0 backlight on a n800 -- do the usual trick "press the ok button or I'm reverting the option back in 30 seconds... 29 seconds... 28..." | 15:03 |
| unixSnob | Eg. I'm on a webpage and screen blackens. I hit UP, and it moves to another field | 15:03 |
| RST38h | [lcuk too] | 15:03 |
| mgedmin | with a random position for the dialog so the user can't cheat :-) | 15:03 |
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| mgedmin | oh, it's already been suggested | 15:03 |
| * mgedmin reads the backlog | 15:03 | |
| rm_you | heh | 15:04 |
| rm_you | well | 15:04 |
| rm_you | i don't know if it's immediately obvious what i'm talking about... | 15:05 |
| mgedmin | RST38h: why *two* blank choices in the first dropdown? | 15:05 |
| rm_you | because that kind of dialog every time the user switches to zero backlight would be annoying | 15:05 |
| lcuk | hi mg :) | 15:05 |
| mgedmin | every dropdown, looks like | 15:05 |
| mgedmin | xchat is not found in any repo :/ | 15:05 |
| mgedmin | vim is not found in any repo | 15:05 |
| rm_you | what is this? | 15:05 |
| lcuk | cos its only a beta isnt it, though lots use it - contact the owner of the site and see if he minds? | 15:06 |
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| unixSnob | rm_you: give the user an option to disable the dialog :) | 15:06 |
| mgedmin | okay, is there any package that can be found? | 15:06 |
| rm_you | rofl | 15:06 |
| rm_you | this is getting ridiculous | 15:06 |
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| rm_you | its fine like it is | 15:06 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, yer theres a deb somewhere | 15:06 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: technical thing | 15:06 |
| rm_you | i was really just asking for suggestions for the text :P | 15:06 |
| unixSnob | rm_you: yes i agree | 15:06 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: they are probably in some repos not included into the list yet | 15:07 |
| lcuk | rm_you, could you add an option to allow me to make the option visible to decide if i want to have the option to make all the options go away? | 15:07 |
| rm_you | lcuk: no :P | 15:07 |
| unixSnob | But a feature to go from 0 to 1 would be useful | 15:07 |
| lcuk | rm_you, ok then, ill look at this from the other side: can we overclock the backlight - i wanna go to 11 and get a tan whilst using my 810 | 15:08 |
| unixSnob | You know what bugs me is when I'm typing w/ a USB keyboard, the screen goes dim, and off.. it doesn't know I'm using the damn thing | 15:09 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, i finally created a youtube vid of my program by the way, http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PUPp_mE7rwI | 15:09 |
| lcuk | unixSnob, bug report - there may still be time to get it fixed whilst this push is underway? or it might have already been noticed and cured | 15:09 |
| Tu13es | hm, anyone here tried grumby? | 15:09 |
| unixSnob | rm_you: Also, give us partial steps. See if you can modify the display driver to use a floating point number for brightness instead | 15:10 |
| lcuk | anyway, afternoon of work awaits, back later | 15:10 |
| unixSnob | lcuk: I'll look into it | 15:10 |
| rm_you | lol | 15:10 |
| rm_you | lcuk: give me the source for your app :P | 15:10 |
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| mgedmin | "Maemo is to much about poetry" -- pure gold | 15:13 |
| hrw | does someone edited fanoush initfs menu to react on other key then menu? home/back for example | 15:13 |
| Ave | put that in your pipe and smoke it | 15:13 |
| Ave | poetry? | 15:13 |
| rm_you | sweet | 15:14 |
| rm_you | patch applied | 15:15 |
| hrw | RST38h: 1. sort sections 2. give names for repositories 3. remove empty lines from both lists | 15:15 |
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| hrw | RST38h: group packages by name | 15:16 |
| RST38h | hrw: 1. in a moment 2. not possible, names are pretty unreadable in the metadata | 15:16 |
| RST38h | hrw: 3. ? 4. packages already grouped and sorted by name | 15:17 |
| trickie|work | mgedmin: thats def one of his best posts! | 15:18 |
| hrw | 5. check does user selected something... | 15:18 |
| trickie|work | mgedmin: pure entertainment | 15:18 |
| hrw | 6. remove size:0 installed:0 name:"" packages | 15:18 |
| mgedmin | I liked the one-man think-tank best | 15:18 |
| trickie|work | yes that was also awesome | 15:18 |
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| hrw | RST38h: by grouping I mean: "canola2 | description | list of versions with links to install" | 15:19 |
| RST38h | ah | 15:19 |
| RST38h | #3 will require some thinking | 15:19 |
| RST38h | #6 is a bug | 15:19 |
| RST38h | #5 - you want to require a query string? | 15:20 |
| RST38h | an empty query string means "return all" | 15:20 |
| hrw | RST38h: your machine is ready for pushing me whole database each time when I press 'search'? | 15:20 |
| mgedmin | lcuk: sweet movie! | 15:22 |
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| hrw | RST38h: empty lines are<SELECT NAME="Section"> | 15:22 |
| hrw | <OPTION SELECTED VALUE=""><OPTION VALUE=""> | 15:22 |
| hrw | <OPTION VALUE=""> | 15:22 |
| hrw | <OPTION VALUE="""devel">""devel | 15:22 |
| RST38h | hrw: right now, yes | 15:23 |
| hrw | 3 empty before ""devel (which should be filtered as devel) | 15:23 |
| RST38h | hrw: well, this is what the server returned me | 15:23 |
| hrw | RST38h: never trust data | 15:23 |
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| RST38h | will probably restrict it to alphanumerics and / | 15:24 |
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| Schubidu | Hi | 15:28 |
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| Schubidu | how far is diablo from been finished ? | 15:31 |
| Schubidu | or does it make sense to install it already ? | 15:31 |
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| rm_you | jesus.... | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | yes, my son? | 15:42 |
| rm_you | I have no idea how to do this... | 15:42 |
| rm_you | have to use a char** | 15:42 |
| rm_you | >_< | 15:42 |
| mgedmin | have fun writing c code :-) | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | it's an array of char pointers, how bad can it be? :P | 15:42 |
| rm_you | lol | 15:42 |
| rm_you | i hate C Strings | 15:42 |
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| mgedmin | be happy it's not an array of functions taking an array of char pointers | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | code in python | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:43 |
| Khertan | Hi ! | 15:43 |
| rm_you | time to figure out how to dynamically make an array of strings | 15:43 |
| Schubidu | perl !! | 15:43 |
| Khertan | python | 15:43 |
| rm_you | C >_> | 15:43 |
| Khertan | goto++ | 15:43 |
| * rm_you is stuck in C | 15:43 | |
| Khertan | !!! | 15:43 |
| Schubidu | i just barly remeber my last time i coded in C | 15:44 |
| Schubidu | must be on an sun 20 | 15:44 |
| rm_you | i seriously dont even know how to start... i guess i'll find out what the function i'm running returns... it should be an array of char* already i think | 15:44 |
| summatusmentis | rm_you: fwiw, that's pretty standard practice in the kernel >_> | 15:45 |
| lcuk | most functions in c expect you to pass the address of the result buffer as a parameter, its rare for the function to allocate memory itself | 15:45 |
| rm_you | well i have to create my own since i need to prune the list it gives me | 15:45 |
| rm_you | unless i can just prune the array it gives me... <_< | 15:46 |
| lcuk | this is still file list isnt it | 15:46 |
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| rm_you | yes | 15:46 |
| rm_you | need to get a sorted list of all directories in a directory | 15:46 |
| lcuk | cos in my code the dir functions work on a single item, and i just call it multiple times until it says no more files | 15:47 |
| rm_you | hrm | 15:47 |
| lcuk | i build a linked list of the results if they matched what i want | 15:47 |
| rm_you | you happen to have C code to do that? :P | 15:47 |
| lcuk | yes and no... | 15:47 |
| rm_you | and then once i have them i need to pass them to another function that will run through them in a loop | 15:47 |
| lcuk | ive got the code here with me at work on my 810 (i compile on device) but i havent got any way to get it out until i get home (no wireless/usb/bt/anything) | 15:48 |
| lcuk | lemme see if an older version is around | 15:48 |
| rm_you | hrm | 15:49 |
| rm_you | meanwhile, i am looking up how to do it | 15:49 |
| RST38h | hrw: Check - bad section names should be gone now | 15:49 |
| RST38h | hrw: and the problem with extra line in combos should be gone as well | 15:49 |
| rm_you | i guess with something like this: http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/manual/libc/Simple-Directory-Lister.html | 15:49 |
| hrw | RST38h: why it show 'cpio' when I search for tar? | 15:52 |
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| rm_you | cpio is used to extract rpm files? | 15:53 |
| rm_you | similar to tar extracting... tar files? >_> | 15:54 |
| rm_you | dunno <_< | 15:54 |
| rm_you | so, if I have a string... | 15:55 |
| rm_you | how would i add it to a char** | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | char *foo[] = { "foo" }; could work i guess | 15:59 |
| RST38h | hrw: means that tar occurs either in the package name or in its description | 16:00 |
| RST38h | GNU cpio is a tool for creating and extracting archives, or copying files from one place to another. It handles a number of cpio formats as well as reading and writing tar files. | 16:01 |
| RST38h | notice the mention of tar | 16:01 |
| rm_you | I miss Java and Python sooo much >_> | 16:02 |
| rm_you | even C++ | 16:02 |
| hrw | RST38h: but this part is not shown | 16:02 |
| RST38h | hrw: click on the package entry | 16:03 |
| Schubidu | bye for now | 16:03 |
| hrw | RST38h: sorry but it is very non-intuitive | 16:04 |
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| RST38h | hrw: Just a short while ago, GAN and a few other people ASKED me to make it foldable | 16:07 |
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| hrw | with title without any mark of being clickable? | 16:08 |
| hrw | RST38h: did you checked OE feed browser? | 16:09 |
| RST38h | yea | 16:09 |
| RST38h | hrw: Well, I can't put a "click me" message on every line | 16:09 |
| RST38h | will look ugly | 16:09 |
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| hrw | at least change cursor to 'hand' on them | 16:10 |
| rm_you | RST38h: what am i doing wrong... i select os2008 and type in a package name and click search, and it never finds anything | 16:12 |
| RST38h | rm_you: do not select OS2008, leave that field empty for now | 16:12 |
| RST38h | hrw: Do you have code to do that? | 16:12 |
| rm_you | ah ok | 16:12 |
| rm_you | neat | 16:13 |
| rm_you | http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo/index.php?Action=list&Platform=&Arg=backlight&Section=&Repo=0 | 16:13 |
| rm_you | :P | 16:13 |
| rm_you | ah yeah you need like... a little sideways arrow | 16:13 |
| rm_you | to indicate that you can click | 16:13 |
| rm_you | and make the text look like a link sorta... maybe just underlined and blue | 16:14 |
| RST38h | checking how it can be done... | 16:14 |
| rm_you | or SOMETHING | 16:14 |
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| rm_you | want the css for it? | 16:14 |
| RST38h | found it | 16:14 |
| RST38h | what is the mouse-over event name in html? | 16:14 |
| rm_you | javascript? | 16:14 |
| RST38h | There is ONCLICK for clicks, what is the name for mouse-over? | 16:15 |
| rm_you | javascript? | 16:16 |
| RST38h | ONMOUSEOVER! | 16:16 |
| rm_you | yes | 16:16 |
| * rm_you was waiting for confirmation | 16:16 | |
| rm_you | tho that will not be useful on tablets... | 16:17 |
| rm_you | they can't mouseover <_< | 16:17 |
| rm_you | so i would try not to use that for anything | 16:17 |
| rm_you | damn this should be easy i just don't know C at all | 16:19 |
| rm_you | in java this would have been done 4 months ago | 16:19 |
| rm_you | >_< | 16:19 |
| pupnik | what are you doing rm_you ? | 16:20 |
| rm_you | end goal: look in one specific directory, and put the names of every directory inside that one (not recursive, very simple) into an array of char* | 16:20 |
| rm_you | if I use dirent and opendir and readdir | 16:21 |
| rm_you | i can go through the files one at a time | 16:21 |
| rm_you | and i can use the properties to find out if it is a directory or not | 16:21 |
| rm_you | i just don't know how to put the name in a char* and then add that to a char** | 16:21 |
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| rm_you | http://pastebin.ca/1040370 | 16:22 |
| lcuk | rm, sorry it took too long, boss wanted a discussion, http://pastebin.ca/1040369 | 16:22 |
| rm_you | that's what i have... basically the example from some site, in my little function | 16:23 |
| rm_you | lcuk: oo | 16:23 |
| rm_you | lol i pasted 1 after you :P | 16:23 |
| RST38h | rm_dir: resize thing done | 16:23 |
| rm_you | lol? | 16:23 |
| rm_you | rm_dir? | 16:23 |
| rm_you | :P | 16:23 |
| rm_you | wow, that's WEIRD | 16:24 |
| rm_you | put it back >_< | 16:24 |
| rm_you | just make the text underline and turn blue like any sane link | 16:24 |
| lcuk | and somewhere deep within ive got identification code to tell me if its a folder or not, i personally think its one of the attribs on the dir_entry_p structure, but dont quote me on that | 16:25 |
| rm_you | it is | 16:25 |
| rm_you | i know how to do that | 16:25 |
| rm_you | wow, not quite sure what you're doing there | 16:27 |
| lcuk | good, if you are dead set on building an array of string names, run through the directory list TWICE, or use recursion. when you have run through it once you will know EXACTLY how many elements you need to allocate for your array :) | 16:27 |
| rm_you | you've got... pagefiles? and some other stuff | 16:27 |
| rm_you | heh | 16:27 |
| rm_you | oh yea | 16:27 |
| rm_you | i could do that :P | 16:27 |
| rm_you | thanks :P | 16:27 |
| lcuk | yer, its loading all valid pages (sketches drawn) and putting them into the frameroot grouping (linked tree structure) | 16:28 |
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| lcuk | char *themenames[256]; int used=0; while ((de = readdir(d)) != NULL) themenames[used++] = strdup(de->d_name); free all names [0..used-1] | 16:30 |
| RST38h | rm_you: look, I am tired of this | 16:31 |
| rm_you | so wait... if i have an uninitialized char* and I want to put a dir->d_name in it... | 16:31 |
| lcuk | and also check that used<256 | 16:31 |
| rm_you | RST38h: lol | 16:31 |
| RST38h | rm_you: there is absolutely no way to satisfy everybody | 16:31 |
| rm_you | RST38h: just sayin :P | 16:31 |
| lcuk | of course there is | 16:31 |
| RST38h | I will highlight the thing, but next time I am asked about changing it - the answer will be "no" | 16:32 |
| rm_you | heh | 16:32 |
| rm_you | just saying, the majority of users of this will be ON tablets... which will be unable to use mouseovers | 16:32 |
| rm_you | and that resize cursor is just awkward :P | 16:32 |
| rm_you | not to mention tablets don't have visible cursors | 16:32 |
| lcuk | right, ill hide again now | 16:33 |
| lcuk | back later | 16:34 |
| rm_you | lcuk: kk thx | 16:34 |
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| RST38h | hmm...highlight does not work for some reason | 16:34 |
| RST38h | oh well, will just leave it as it is | 16:34 |
| rm_you | you could give your TD with the package name a class like "packagename" and then add to your css: "td.packagename { text-decoration: underline; color: blue; }" | 16:37 |
| rm_you | that's it :/ | 16:37 |
| rm_you | anyways, i'm back to attempting to make everyone happy with my statusbar applet <_< | 16:38 |
| Ave | what applet would that be? | 16:39 |
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| X-Fade | Make sure it does exactly the same as the Nokia one and more ofcourse. Then we can ask them to replace the closed one with the open one ;) | 16:40 |
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| RST38h | rm_you: ummm | 16:40 |
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| RST38h | Which package name? | 16:41 |
| rm_you | advanced-backlight | 16:41 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: If i had the code for the closed one's UI, i could make this SO much better :P | 16:42 |
| rm_you | just need to know how to put a HildonControlbar into a GtkMenu | 16:42 |
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| rm_you | and have it be functional, like Nokia did in their display and volume applets | 16:42 |
| Schubidu | hi again | 16:42 |
| rm_you | well, the volume applet did it with a HildonHVolumebar, but the same issue applies, and I'm sure if I saw the code for either I could do the other | 16:43 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: want to find out how they did that and just explain it to me? you don't need to show me the code | 16:43 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: Maybe ask about that HildonControlbar on -developers? | 16:43 |
| rm_you | just tell me if they used some sort of crazy long hack | 16:43 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: I did... no responses | 16:43 |
| rm_you | didn't want to spam the mailing list tho :/ | 16:43 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: I'm not working at nokia. So I don't have accesss to the code. | 16:44 |
| rm_you | aww :( | 16:44 |
| rm_you | you work for maemo? | 16:44 |
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| X-Fade | rm_you: Maybe timeless can give you some insight about that function. | 16:44 |
| rm_you | yeah | 16:44 |
| rm_you | been talking with him about it <_< | 16:44 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: Yep. maemo webmaster. | 16:44 |
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| RST38h | rm_you: highlight with color done | 16:47 |
| rm_you | :) | 16:47 |
| rm_you | hrm, not the text i was thinking of, but that works | 16:48 |
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| Italodance | guys the deb run file for games can works on IT? | 16:49 |
| rm_you | and again, the onmouseover thing is fancy, but useless on the nokia tablets, which is what 95% of your visitors are going to be using :( | 16:49 |
| RST38h | What file? | 16:50 |
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| RST38h | rm_you: then tablet users will just have to live with it! | 16:50 |
| rm_you | ?! | 16:50 |
| rm_you | wow | 16:50 |
| RST38h | =) | 16:50 |
| RST38h | (I am changing this thing Nth time, so don't be surprised) | 16:50 |
| rm_you | who told you to use a mouseover? :P | 16:51 |
| RST38h | I think YOU told me to highlight on mouseover | 16:51 |
| rm_you | not ever | 16:51 |
| Italodance | herlllo | 16:51 |
| RST38h | then the previous guy :) | 16:51 |
| rm_you | then the previous guy didn't think about the fact that he CAN'T MOUSE OVER with his tablet! :P rofl | 16:51 |
| Italodance | rm_you the deb run file for games can works on IT? | 16:52 |
| RST38h | well, he will have to live with it | 16:52 |
| rm_you | lol | 16:52 |
| Italodance | rm_you from debain linux | 16:52 |
| Anunakin | man mouser over events... dont mean with touch screen | 16:52 |
| RST38h | BTW, anybody has a Nokia InSTALL icon with transparent bg? | 16:52 |
| Anunakin | you must use a real mouse | 16:52 |
| rm_you | Italodance: what? | 16:52 |
| RST38h | Now, who was it...I think it was hrw | 16:53 |
| Anunakin | or just remap mouse moves to some keys | 16:53 |
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| RST38h | Anunakin: it was a minor complaint anyway | 16:53 |
| Italodance | rm_you debian .deb files can work on IT? | 16:53 |
| rm_you | no | 16:54 |
| rm_you | not natively, unless you have a debian chroot | 16:54 |
| rm_you | or are running johnx's debian beta boot image | 16:54 |
| rm_you | RST38h: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_meat_navigation :P | 16:55 |
| Italodance | rm_you how can i convert debian .deb files from linux to maemo? with which tool? how can i make it? | 16:55 |
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| rm_you | Italodance: in most cases you would have to modify the source code heavily and recompile them in scratchbox | 16:55 |
| rm_you | it isn't a small task | 16:56 |
| rm_you | with a good knowledge of the programming language, it could take weeks to do it right for one package | 16:56 |
| Italodance | yeah :D | 16:56 |
| rm_you | there isn't a "tool" | 16:56 |
| Italodance | maemogeek.blogspot.com/2007/11/alternative-way-to-generate-deb.html | 16:57 |
| rm_you | RST38h: anyway, my point: "The typical form of MMN is represented by menus composed of unrevealing icons that are replaced with explicative text only when the mouse cursor hovers over them." | 16:57 |
| rm_you | it's just a usability issue | 16:57 |
| rm_you | i'm really not trying to give you a headache :P just friendly advice | 16:58 |
| Anunakin | I generate my debs ... with this steps | 17:00 |
| RST38h | rm_you: this does not apply | 17:00 |
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| RST38h | no menus composed of unrevealing icons | 17:00 |
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| rm_you | >_> | 17:02 |
| rm_you | links that don't appear until you mouseover them> | 17:02 |
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| Anunakin | 1- ./configure --prefix (OTHER THINKS) | 17:02 |
| Anunakin | 2- make | 17:02 |
| Anunakin | 3- make DESTDIR=/tmp/DEB | 17:02 |
| Anunakin | 4- cd /tmp | 17:02 |
| Anunakin | 5- mkdir DEB/DEBIAN | 17:02 |
| Anunakin | 6- create a control file with vi DEB/DEBIAN/control | 17:02 |
| Anunakin | 7- dpkg-deb -b DEB packname_VERSIONNUMBER_armel.deb | 17:02 |
| Anunakin | opps 3- is make DESTDIR=/tmp/DEB install | 17:03 |
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| Anunakin | rm_you: remove mouser over events | 17:03 |
| rm_you | ? | 17:03 |
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| Anunakin | thats icons must have some initial property to hidden... edit it to not hidden | 17:04 |
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| RST38h | Anunakin: What are you talking about? | 17:07 |
| rm_you | Anunakin: yeah... what? | 17:07 |
| * rm_you is very confused | 17:07 | |
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| eero | exit | 17:14 |
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| Anunakin | hehe | 17:21 |
| Anunakin | I dont know too | 17:21 |
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| lardman | bmidgley: ping | 17:24 |
| lopz | hola | 17:24 |
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| bmidgley | lardman hi | 17:27 |
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| lardman | bmidgley: sorry to disappoint with the lack of asm ;) | 17:29 |
| lardman | bmidgley: The "optimising" compiler is supposed to do some of that at least, depending on the code structure | 17:30 |
| bmidgley | lardman: advertise the fact so you can get people interested in helping | 17:30 |
| bmidgley | lardman: some students at the university by indt wanted to work on it | 17:30 |
| lardman | bmidgley: I've been trying to get people to help for about a year now, but not much response (for Tremor that was) | 17:31 |
| lardman | anyway, I'm glad it works | 17:31 |
| summatusmentis | help with what? | 17:31 |
| lardman | dsp tremor decoder | 17:31 |
| lardman | bmidgley: Anyway, can you explain how the current ALSA pathway works? | 17:32 |
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| lardman | bmidgley: All built into the Bluez lib? Does "sbcenc" get spun off in its own thread? | 17:32 |
| bmidgley | no | 17:33 |
| Deka | Yay Google Gears | 17:33 |
| bmidgley | there's an audio service daemon that does early negotiation | 17:33 |
| Deka | http://www.calio.it/files/maemo-googlegears-webaddon_0.2.9.0-0_armel.zip | 17:33 |
| Deka | Yay Offline Gcal | 17:33 |
| bmidgley | then the alsa plugin gets a file descriptor that writes directly to the set | 17:33 |
| bmidgley | then it's all running in the same process as the alsa client | 17:34 |
| lardman | ok | 17:34 |
| bmidgley | the alsa plugin has linked in the sbc codec directly | 17:35 |
| bmidgley | it's all quite a hack really. | 17:35 |
| lardman | I'm just wandering how closely linked the sbc.c functions are to the stuff in Bluez, how much I'll have to replace | 17:35 |
| lardman | s/wandering/wondering | 17:35 |
| bmidgley | lardman the cleanest thing is to make the gstreamer sbc plugin detect and prefer the dsp over the soft codec | 17:36 |
| bmidgley | I believe when maemo has real a2dp support, it will be via a gstreamer plugin | 17:36 |
| lardman | I wasn't so worried about GStreamer | 17:36 |
| bmidgley | lardman I can understand wanting to plug it into the way people use a2dp now | 17:37 |
| bmidgley | ie alsa | 17:37 |
| lardman | I wasn't meaning I wouldn't do a Gstreamer one, just that it seems cleaner that way so I wasn't so concerned that it would be difficult | 17:37 |
| lardman | and yes, I do really need to replace what people are using now | 17:38 |
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| lardman | otherwise who knows how long it will be before it's being used | 17:38 |
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| bmidgley | lardman to answer your original question, the alsa plugin is linked to sbc codec | 17:39 |
| bmidgley | but only makes a few calls to the library so it shouldn't be hard to isolate | 17:39 |
| lardman | great, that's what I was hoping to hear :) | 17:40 |
| bmidgley | hmm, maybe it also looks into the data structures a bit... watch for that | 17:40 |
| lardman | i presume there is already a GStreamer sbc sink? | 17:40 |
| bmidgley | yes | 17:40 |
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| bmidgley | it's been a while since I used the gst plugin, but it was using too much cpu | 17:41 |
| bmidgley | when I tried it on a gumstix | 17:41 |
| bmidgley | that needs to be fixed | 17:41 |
| lardman | looking into the structures shouldn't be a major pain, except that the data will probably only be made avaialble when the dsp asks for or gives data | 17:41 |
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| Khertan | bye | 17:41 |
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| lardman | Was it the encoder itself that was using the cpu? | 17:41 |
| johnx | bmidgley, hmm...random question: did you ever try hildon on gumstix? | 17:41 |
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| bmidgley | johnx no... just got an lcd and using default gpe env | 17:42 |
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| bmidgley | lardman I think it was something done wrong in the gst part that was bleeding cpu | 17:42 |
| bmidgley | johnx sadly the lcd is not very high res... sad compared to maemo | 17:43 |
| hrw | bmidgley: that 480x272 one? | 17:43 |
| johnx | what res? VGA or less? | 17:43 |
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| Schubidu | bye | 17:43 |
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| bmidgley | yeah, it's 480x272 | 17:44 |
| johnx | yeah, I could see how hildon-desktop / hildonized apps might not work too well on that... | 17:44 |
| bmidgley | it doesn't look bad, but I've been spoiled | 17:45 |
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| rm_you | johnx: ah you're back :P | 17:49 |
| johnx | 'fraid so | 17:49 |
| johnx | I think I'm getting closer to the problem at least :/ | 17:55 |
| rm_you | :/ | 17:55 |
| rm_you | I think I'm getting closer to my bed. | 17:55 |
| johnx | heh | 17:55 |
| johnx | me too | 17:55 |
| rm_you | Yep, I'm very close now. | 17:55 |
| rm_you | Ok, there I am, at my bed. night. | 17:56 |
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| johnx | 'night rm_you :D | 17:56 |
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| qwerty12 | night :p | 17:56 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: Try the aggregator again | 17:58 |
| qwerty12 | will do | 17:58 |
| * RST38h has been adjusting it | 17:58 | |
| qwerty12 | It still messes up for me when I choose OS2008 | 17:59 |
| RST38h | do not choose platform | 17:59 |
| RST38h | keep that box empty | 17:59 |
| qwerty12 | Will do but it is an annoyance imho. | 17:59 |
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| RST38h | I know - the box is there but it has not been implemented yet | 18:00 |
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| AStorm | hello | 18:23 |
| AStorm | now that I can't get wifi up and running with new kernels, I'll try a backport of CFS to 2.6.21 - should be simple | 18:23 |
| RST38h | AStorm | 18:24 |
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| AStorm | RST38h: hm? | 18:24 |
| hrw | AStorm: when umac.ko stops working? 2.6.22 or later? | 18:24 |
| RST38h | nothing | 18:24 |
| AStorm | hrw: not sure, it crashes with null deref with 2.6.26-rcx-omap | 18:24 |
| AStorm | doesn't take the whole kernel down though | 18:24 |
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| AStorm | I can't test older kernels too much, some just aren't working | 18:25 |
| AStorm | I'll check if 2.6.23 runs | 18:25 |
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| AStorm | as that's where the wifi got a lot of work | 18:25 |
| AStorm | if that works, we're mostly fine | 18:25 |
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| AStorm | might be some kobject work that broke umac.o | 18:27 |
| AStorm | actually, Nokia could get us a newer kernel in long-term agenda | 18:30 |
| AStorm | or at least umac.ko per kernel release :-) | 18:30 |
| AStorm | That would solve most of the problems | 18:30 |
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| AStorm | I suspect umac.ko will only need a recompile | 18:31 |
| MangoFusion_ | ko ko! | 18:32 |
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| * MangoFusion_ promptly remembers what AStorm is really talking about | 18:33 | |
| n800n_ | are there any new calendars/organizers other than GPE? | 18:34 |
| * RST38h does not know what AStorm is talking about | 18:34 | |
| AStorm | RST38h: Nokia has access to the closed driver | 18:34 |
| RST38h | But it sounds damn complicated! | 18:34 |
| RST38h | Yes, the wifi one | 18:34 |
| AStorm | so they could just build us a driver for each kernel release | 18:34 |
| RST38h | true | 18:34 |
| AStorm | just a pull of linux-2.6-omap | 18:34 |
| RST38h | but something is telling me they will not bother | 18:35 |
| AStorm | if it builds w/o patches, it would be good enough | 18:35 |
| AStorm | not that it's a lot of bother | 18:36 |
| RST38h | still, why would they... | 18:36 |
| AStorm | the answer is... why not? It will help the development of the kernel for Maemo | 18:36 |
| RST38h | well, try running it buy Quim | 18:36 |
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| AStorm | :> | 18:37 |
| RST38h | s/buy/by/ | 18:38 |
| infobot | RST38h meant: well, try running it by Quim | 18:38 |
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| AStorm | well, KotCzarny, what do you think about the idea? | 18:38 |
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| n800n_ | does GPE crash hildon randomly for anyone? | 18:51 |
| johnx | nope | 18:52 |
| johnx | what does it crash? | 18:52 |
| n800n_ | well my statusbar went back to the default icos | 18:52 |
| n800n_ | icons | 18:52 |
| n800n_ | and the left side bar got blank for a little while then went to default icons again | 18:53 |
| n800n_ | rebooting fixed it, just wondering if i should trust the app for reminders and such | 18:53 |
| johnx | I dunno. I let my cellphone do alarms... | 18:54 |
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| * RST38h does not use schedules or alarms | 18:55 | |
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| n800n_ | just trying something new | 18:56 |
| * johnx sometimes doesn't automatically wake up for work :P | 18:56 | |
| tank-man | i have a digital watch with a single alarm. K.I.S.S to you :) | 18:56 |
| johnx | I don't trust my alarm clock or my cell phone enough, thus I vote: redundancy | 18:57 |
| n800n_ | my gf loves the waves/seagulls sounds, i think it's tone 3 | 18:57 |
| johnx | ahaha...I used that once on vacation | 18:57 |
| n800n_ | gets old tho doesn't it | 18:57 |
| * RST38h uses traffic jam sound for his morning alarm | 18:57 | |
| johnx | scared the crap out of me...it gave me a weird dream where I was sleeping on the beach | 18:57 |
| n800n_ | i feel like shooting that seagull that comes in about 15 seconds in | 18:58 |
| RST38h | No need for any extra equipment too | 18:58 |
| n800n_ | haha | 18:58 |
| n800n_ | sleeping on the beach is fun | 18:58 |
| n800n_ | as long as you leave your wallet at the hotel | 18:58 |
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| johnx | I guess it depends on the beach :P | 18:59 |
| tank-man | i bet there are a lot of homeless people that would disagree | 18:59 |
| hrw | have a nice weekend guys | 18:59 |
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| n800n_ | hehe | 18:59 |
| johnx | 'later hrw | 18:59 |
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| n800n_ | does the background image on the desktop take up more memory if it's a large image? or does it just load once on startup? | 19:00 |
| tank-man | i would think the image would be resized | 19:01 |
| inz | n800n, at least the desktop used to create a scaled version of it when you set the background | 19:01 |
| n800n_ | so it resizes it once and that's it | 19:02 |
| bstock | anyone know which flags i should use to replace the kernel image on my 810 without reformating the device? | 19:04 |
| bstock | or should i just reformat it | 19:04 |
| AStorm | bstock: in linux flasher: | 19:04 |
| AStorm | --flash-only kernel -k <path-to-kernel-zImage> -f | 19:04 |
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| bstock | cool | 19:06 |
| bstock | thx | 19:06 |
| bstock | wait if i have a .bin file from the website, what kind of image is that | 19:08 |
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| johnx | fiasco image | 19:09 |
| bstock | alright, in that case i prob can't just reflash the kernel | 19:09 |
| johnx | you can | 19:09 |
| bstock | oh ok | 19:09 |
| bstock | cool | 19:09 |
| johnx | let me find the arg | 19:09 |
| bstock | thx | 19:09 |
| ameng | Hi, does n810 lcd controler support YUV? | 19:10 |
| johnx | in that case: flasher --flash-only kernel -F foo.bin | 19:10 |
| bstock | oh ok, makes sense | 19:10 |
| bstock | so which arguments would i use if i wanted to do a full fresh start? -c for 'Cold flash' ? | 19:12 |
| johnx | nope, that's something else | 19:13 |
| johnx | just do flasher -f -F foo.bin -R | 19:13 |
| bstock | ok. so which would i use? i'm saving all this in txt file for later | 19:13 |
| bstock | ok cool | 19:13 |
| johnx | the -R might not be needed | 19:13 |
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| johnx | for a complete restore, it's the same as upgrading | 19:13 |
| johnx | so it's on the wiki | 19:14 |
| bstock | now i just gotta find the funky usb cable for the thing. wish they had stuck with the regular mini port | 19:14 |
| johnx | aaah...n810 | 19:14 |
| bstock | yeah | 19:15 |
| bstock | have like 5 cables with the regular port, always gotta look for the special one when flashing | 19:15 |
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| bstock | and it might be at home :( | 19:15 |
| johnx | well, that's what happens with miniaturization | 19:15 |
| bstock | indeed | 19:15 |
| bstock | though the 810 isn't that much smaller then 770, but they added features | 19:16 |
| johnx | it's noticeably smaller than the n800 and has a sliding keyboard and gps | 19:16 |
| johnx | that's kind of impressive | 19:16 |
| bstock | yeah | 19:16 |
| bstock | i haven't messed with the 800, went from 770 to 810 | 19:16 |
| johnx | zaurus -> n800 here | 19:17 |
| johnx | waiting for something based on the omap3 | 19:17 |
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| bstock | yeah every pda i ever had before was all crap, especially when running windows crap, would crash daily | 19:17 |
| bstock | even with versions of linux for some of them still wasn't that good until 770 | 19:18 |
| johnx | I liked my visor prism but it died on me... | 19:18 |
| bstock | never heard of that one | 19:18 |
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| johnx | a palm os device, circa 2002 or so | 19:18 |
| glass | palm bought visor no? | 19:21 |
| johnx | yeah | 19:21 |
| johnx | visor did the treo first :) | 19:21 |
| glass | yeah | 19:21 |
| glass | and palm is still stuck on that state | 19:22 |
| johnx | yeah...it's a little sad | 19:22 |
| glass | palm engineers must live in a cave or something | 19:22 |
| johnx | actually palm and ms are really embarassing themselves in the handheld/phone market | 19:22 |
| glass | foleo was a joke | 19:22 |
| johnx | foleo looked interesting, but had the misfortune of being released in 2007, not 2002 | 19:23 |
| glass | yeah | 19:23 |
| glass | exactly them living in a cave | 19:23 |
| johnx | would have been a nice challenger for the psion netbook or ibm z50 or somesuch | 19:23 |
| glass | announcing something like the foleo like that | 19:23 |
| glass | it would've been nice too if it could have hit a price range of 100$ or so | 19:24 |
| glass | but no way | 19:24 |
| johnx | I wonder what the engineers are *actually doing* there | 19:24 |
| glass | nothing | 19:24 |
| johnx | cause, they're not really making much progress in hardware or software | 19:25 |
| glass | just waiting for the management to ditch the os they're building, again | 19:25 |
| johnx | heh | 19:25 |
| johnx | and spin it off into a competing company :D | 19:25 |
| lardman | bmidgley: You still about? | 19:26 |
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| lardman | bmidgley: Anyway, I've looked at the rest of the Bluez code (that contains "sbc") and it looks like the DSP code should be able to drop in | 19:29 |
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| johnx | lardman, that is great news :D | 19:29 |
| lardman | bmidgley: I'll need to change the point at which I've encapsulated the code on the DSP, so it just handles sbc_encode() rather than the stuff above that | 19:30 |
| lardman | johnx: Yeah, looks promising | 19:30 |
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| lardman | Why would one want to parse data, e.g. sbc_parse()? | 19:32 |
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| napsy_ | Hello. I have a gtk+ application and I want to know if I have to port this app to maemo in order to use it on nokia? | 19:39 |
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| johnx | you don't have to "port" it per se, but if you hildonize it, it will look nicer, and fit in better | 19:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, ping. | 19:40 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Pong | 19:41 |
| johnx | wow, low latency O_o | 19:41 |
| napsy_ | johnx, I just want to run the program, look isn't important | 19:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, I see there's a bunch of new ex-midgard articles on the wiki. | 19:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's the plan? | 19:41 |
| johnx | napsy_, then, all you should need to do is recompile for ARM | 19:42 |
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| dneary | I don't think there are a bunch of them | 19:42 |
| napsy_ | ok tnx | 19:42 |
| dneary | I just added them all to a category | 19:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, 31. :P | 19:42 |
| dneary | They were already there | 19:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Were they? | 19:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | I guess I missed that | 19:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, should I start moving and renaming these things to bring them up to speed? | 19:43 |
| dneary | The plan is to indent the pages that are there in Categorization, migrate the others, and start reviewing the content :) | 19:43 |
| dneary | Yes please! | 19:43 |
| dneary | Either or | 19:43 |
| dneary | I'll tell you what - I'll leave you to rename & categorise, and I'll migrate | 19:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Works for me. | 19:43 |
| kulve | napsy_: when you want more: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_4-0_porting_guide.html | 19:44 |
| kulve | napsy_: although I'm not sure how good that doc is.. | 19:44 |
| napsy_ | ok tnx | 19:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, The "How To <blah>" naming scheme is redundant and ugly. Does, say, "How to Compile the Kernel" to "Compiling the kernel" work for you? | 19:45 |
| dneary | Absolutely agree | 19:46 |
| dneary | Also cut down most of the page titles | 19:46 |
| dneary | "USB network with windows" should just be "USB networking", and be merged with "USB network for Linux and Mac" if it exists | 19:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Let's see, I need . . . 3 templates. Ex-midgard, Expansion request and out-of-date. | 19:48 |
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| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Some of those pages should be deleted | 19:51 |
| dneary | For example "How to use a boot menu with the Nokia 770" is outdated | 19:52 |
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| dneary | And it starts: "There's an updated and simplified version of this page at How to Boot the root filesystem from MMC" | 19:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dneary, http://wiki.maemo.org/Template:Out_of_date http://wiki.maemo.org/Template:Expansion_request http://wiki.maemo.org/Template:Midgard_article | 20:05 |
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| dneary | I don't know if Out of date is really necessary - better to just delete the page | 20:05 |
| dneary | Or rename it | 20:05 |
| dneary | and mark it as "Needs review" | 20:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe, but the template may prove useful in the future. | 20:06 |
| dneary | (or whatever) | 20:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | I need to figure out how to use those tags to generate categories, too. | 20:06 |
| dneary | Example: https://wiki.maemo.org/How_To_Modify_Root_Image_of_Nokia_770 might be useful | 20:06 |
| dneary | but it needs to have "of Nokia 770" removed from the title, and be updated/merged | 20:06 |
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| lcuk | dneary, +1 vote to delete | 20:10 |
| dneary | deletiong the "modify root image" page? | 20:11 |
| lcuk | as you said when explaining all this wiki stuff, the original will remain, merge importantant information | 20:11 |
| lcuk | sorry, on the previous one.. | 20:11 |
| lardman | As long as a copy remains, yes delete it as it's no longer even vaguely up to date - that was from the days of a ro root fs | 20:11 |
| lcuk | even everyone btw | 20:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody remember how to increase the type size for something in mediawiki? | 20:13 |
| lcuk | fffffs evening even | 20:13 |
| lcuk | move closer to your screen? | 20:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Bugzilla was busy again last night . . . I hate sorting through pages of updated bugs. | 20:15 |
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| lardman | GeneralAntilles: Your campaigning is too successful hey? ;) | 20:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, it's mostly freaking andre___. :P | 20:16 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, hire a few interns | 20:16 |
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| andre___ | GeneralAntilles, well... we have to start somewhere :-D | 20:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, ping, you awake yet? :P | 20:34 |
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| Zeiber | nabend | 20:39 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I finally was able to get in touch with rm ;) | 20:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I saw it in the logs. | 20:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Took long enough. :D | 20:47 |
| X-Fade | Heh :) | 20:47 |
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| n800n | anyone ever tried Yoper? | 20:56 |
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| n800n | looking for a very slim linux distro fit for an old laptop | 20:59 |
| Ave | puppylinux? | 21:01 |
| n800n | could debian work? | 21:02 |
| n800n | i think it's like 32 mb ram | 21:02 |
| n800n | lemme see | 21:02 |
| Ave | 32 is quite low | 21:02 |
| lcuk | what are you wanting to do with it | 21:02 |
| lcuk | ie text based firewall/hacking duties, or full gui | 21:03 |
| penguinbait | I have redhat running on 133 pentium, with 32mb ram | 21:03 |
| lcuk | n800n, what OS is currently on it | 21:03 |
| Zeiber | give it a germanmaemo/nokia tablet - community..?^^ | 21:03 |
| penguinbait | its linux, run any version you want | 21:03 |
| n800n | it hasn't been used in a long time, it had win 98 by the sticker | 21:07 |
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| n800n | i'm getting in the bios now | 21:07 |
| n800n | 32 mb, 4Gb | 21:08 |
| n800n | can't see the cpu in here :/ | 21:08 |
| Ave | boot memtest86+ in it | 21:09 |
| Ave | you'll see the cpu, afaicr | 21:09 |
| lcuk | memtest68k more likely :P ;) | 21:09 |
| n800n | * Compaq Presario 1244 Internet PC | 21:10 |
| n800n | * CPU: AMD K6-2 366Mhz. processor | 21:10 |
| n800n | * RAM: 96MB PC66 SDRAM | 21:10 |
| n800n | (32MB native, 64MB added via PC66 SO-DIMM) | 21:10 |
| Ave | 6510? | 21:10 |
| n800n | * Video: NeoMagic MagicGraph128XD 2MB graphics chipset | 21:10 |
| n800n | * Display: 12.1" LCD Display | 21:10 |
| n800n | * Sound: ES1869 Plug and Play AudioDrive (WDM) | 21:10 |
| n800n | w/ JBL-Pro stereo speakers | 21:10 |
| n800n | * Modem: Compaq Presario 56K-DF (LT Winmodem) | 21:10 |
| n800n | * 4.5GB UDMA hard-disk, 24x CD-ROM, standard 3.5" floppy | 21:10 |
| n800n | not bad... | 21:10 |
| Ave | hmm some early amd cpu's were especially buggy things | 21:10 |
| Ave | esp with linux you got sig11's left and right | 21:10 |
| Ave | http://membres.lycos.fr/poulot/k6bug.html | 21:11 |
| Ave | you're safe! | 21:11 |
| n800n | hey thanks | 21:11 |
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| amen1 | Dose n810's framebuffer support YUV? | 21:12 |
| lcuk | yes natively, but its some odd none contigious planes | 21:15 |
| lcuk | YUV420 | 21:16 |
| Ave | surely it couldnt display video without yuv | 21:16 |
| n800n | i don't really know what i could use it for, this laptop :/ | 21:16 |
| Ave | a car debug terminal? | 21:17 |
| lcuk | ave, it could, but it would need rgb conversion | 21:17 |
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| Ave | ahha, sure, which is slower than hell | 21:17 |
| lcuk | n800n, does it still have windows on | 21:17 |
| Ave | and there is no cpu to spare | 21:17 |
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| lcuk | amen1, what you need it for | 21:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody have any use for this? http://wiki.maemo.org/How_to_Boot_the_root_filesystem_from_MMC | 21:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's pretty much entirely out of date | 21:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | and grabbing one of the other guides around to replace it seems like a better plan than trying to update that. | 21:21 |
| lcuk | as long as the other guides have been verified as working as stable then i agree | 21:22 |
| penguinbait | it looks great, full of wonderful info, what the problem? | 21:22 |
| lcuk | ie those who use these things agree on the forum its a clean solution :) | 21:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's old and gross, penguinbait. | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd rather have milhouse's guide up there or something. | 21:23 |
| lcuk | penguinbait, its for the 770 and it itself says its out of date | 21:23 |
| penguinbait | Its full of good info, I guess I just dont see the reason to delete it | 21:24 |
| penguinbait | let it live forever :) | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | penguinbait, do you want to bring it up to date? | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | It can live forever in the midgard wiki. | 21:24 |
| penguinbait | I dont use wiki's | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | The mediawiki isn't for archiving old info. | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh, this stuff is so old and gross. | 21:25 |
| lcuk | penguinbait, the information isnt being deleted, this is removing the cruft for a nice new clean wiki | 21:26 |
| penguinbait | maybe we can go around ITT and delete posts that are no longer relavent | 21:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | penguinbait, <_< | 21:26 |
| lcuk | sudo apt-get remove GeneralAntilles | 21:26 |
| penguinbait | if its a new wiki, its not in there anyway? | 21:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | penguinbait, nevermind. | 21:27 |
| lcuk | a migration of the old wiki is in progress extracting the good stuff :) | 21:27 |
| penguinbait | it would be better to me to mark them as deprecated, and keep them | 21:27 |
| penguinbait | just my two cents | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're archived in the old wiki. | 21:27 |
| lcuk | penguinbait, ill say again, they are not being deleted, but its not considered important and fresh and clean and new and stuff, it has no place in the hip new club but will remain in mo's tavern | 21:28 |
| amen1 | lcuk: for play video | 21:32 |
| lcuk | wow - you mean i can play video on my 810? | 21:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, I've moved the useful stuff, the rest of the stuff in H and M should either be deleted, merged or moved. | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll leave those decisions up to somebody else. | 21:33 |
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| lcuk | a lot of work has gone into (and is still ongoing) to optimise the video experience on n8x0, i think now the majority of actual rendering issues have been ironed out, but focus needs turning to codecs | 21:34 |
| amen1 | lcuk:do you konw how can i use the yuv framebuffer? | 21:34 |
| lcuk | for movies? | 21:34 |
| amen1 | yes | 21:35 |
| lcuk | ok, goto your terminal and type mplayer ;) | 21:35 |
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| lcuk | are you wanting to develop your own application to utilise the system or do you just want to watch though | 21:36 |
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| amen1 | ok , I want to develop a gstreamer based player on directfb | 21:37 |
| amen1 | do you have any ideas? | 21:40 |
| lcuk | you may be easier using mplayer in client/hosted mode but you could start here http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/31362 | 21:40 |
| lcuk | http://mplayer.garage.maemo.org/ | 21:41 |
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| lcuk | mplayer is in active development and its used as the workhorse in a number of existing media players | 21:41 |
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| derf | I mean, the same thing can be said of gstreamer. | 21:44 |
| lcuk | cool, i didnt know | 21:45 |
| lcuk | derf, which apps use it? | 21:46 |
| derf | Well, Nokia's media player, for one. | 21:46 |
| derf | totem | 21:46 |
| derf | I believe Songbird, also. | 21:47 |
| derf | There's probably more. | 21:47 |
| lcuk | ahhh i did wonder how the internal worked | 21:47 |
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| lcuk | thought it was nokia proprietary system. mind you never thought to ask.. | 21:47 |
| derf | Commercial entities that have to deal with the US patent system tend to like gstreamer because it actually attempts to address the patent issue properly. | 21:49 |
| derf | I.e., you can buy and download properly licensed codecs for the proprietary bits. | 21:49 |
| derf | Which makes it fairly unique among Linux multimedia frameworks. | 21:49 |
| lcuk | ta derf :) informative | 21:50 |
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| Blastur | any news on when Diablo will release? | 21:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Blastur, when it's ready. | 21:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | The window for that is sometime between 2 weeks and 2 months from now. | 21:52 |
| Blastur | excellent | 21:58 |
| Blastur | do you know if it will include better GPS TTF? | 21:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, there's a-gps stuff in there. | 21:58 |
| Blastur | wooh | 21:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://anidel.blogspot.com/2008/05/gps-support-on-n8x0-is-coming-with.html | 21:58 |
| Blastur | so this AGPS support, it requires internet connectivity to be efficient? | 21:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's got a map where you can tap your current location if you don't have internet. | 22:00 |
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| Blastur | cool | 22:01 |
| Blastur | so give it a little push in the right direction ? :) | 22:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Right | 22:02 |
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| derf | lcuk: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/apps/ | 22:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Has anybody done any really intense testing of the GPS acquisition time with just the world map assistance? | 22:10 |
| RST38h | Hey, GA, check out the package aggregator | 22:11 |
| penguinbait | is that like akregator? | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it's looking better. | 22:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | But the expanding and collapsing could use some work. ;) | 22:13 |
| RST38h | ? | 22:13 |
| gnuSnob | gotta debian question the folks in #debian couldn't answer.. if I run "apt-cache search kernel-source" I only get a list of odd ball packages relating to drivers, not the actual kernel source. Has the package name changed? | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, first step would be to add an arrow to indicate the expanded/collapsed state. | 22:15 |
| penguinbait | what is aggregator, RSS reader? | 22:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Second step is to keep the elements from moving around when you expand and collapse | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo/index.php?Action=list&Platform=&Arg=mplayer&Section=&Repo=0 | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | The .deb link is perfect, though. | 22:15 |
| RST38h | penguin: fms.komkon.org/Maemo | 22:16 |
| penguinbait | i c | 22:16 |
| RST38h | GA: elements will move around anyway | 22:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | The title and version number shouldn't move. | 22:16 |
| RST38h | As to the arrow, yea, it should not be a problem | 22:16 |
| RST38h | they do? | 22:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | By a couple of px down and to the right over here. | 22:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably from the border. | 22:17 |
| RST38h | Oh, this is because of the border | 22:17 |
| RST38h | I thought there was a real problem | 22:17 |
| lcdd | gnuSnob: it's 'linux-source' and 'linux-tree' now | 22:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd dump the border and just use the color and arrow to indicate collapse/expanded. | 22:17 |
| RST38h | I like border better | 22:18 |
| gnuSnob | ah, thanks lcdd! | 22:18 |
| RST38h | Actually, I do not think arrow would be a good idea | 22:18 |
| RST38h | There may be a LOT of entries shown and with each entry displaying an arrow it will look weird and disorienting | 22:18 |
| RST38h | Border just indicates attention | 22:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I'd use the Digg comment system as a general guideline. | 22:19 |
| RST38h | Speaking of.... GA, do you have a Nokia Install icon with transparent bg? | 22:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://digg.com/world_news/Accused_9_11_mastermind_must_now_protect_US_secrets | 22:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, not that I know of, RST38h. | 22:19 |
| skibur | Anybody know how many characters in total including unlockeables they are in Super Smash Brawl? | 22:19 |
| RST38h | Let me know if you find one | 22:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | I could make one if it comes down to it. | 22:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I'll keep my eyes open. | 22:20 |
| RST38h | Because the one you have given before I can't use - it has opaque background | 22:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe ping X-Fade about it. | 22:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also, each listing needs to be shorter. | 22:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | The rows are too high. | 22:20 |
| RST38h | well, they are defined by the icon and the size cell | 22:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's pushed out by the size cell over here. | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe do them side-by-side instead of on top of eachother? | 22:21 |
| * RST38h looked at digg. If GA means the little arrow to the left of comments count, it can't be transplanted into MPA - there are no comments to fold out | 22:21 | |
| RST38h | GA: this way you will lose screen width and it is more important than height | 22:22 |
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| RST38h | I would rather lose height | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Put the little arrow to the left of the package title | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just make it bigger. | 22:22 |
| RST38h | mmm | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | The arrow usage has nothing to do with comments. ;) | 22:22 |
| linux8mybaby | thats what she said | 22:23 |
| RST38h | no, there should be an element to attach it to | 22:23 |
| RST38h | if not comment then somethign else | 22:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Description. | 22:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Think something along these lines: https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=753 | 22:23 |
| RST38h | centered - can't attach arrows - won't be neat | 22:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Except replace the category with the package. | 22:24 |
| RST38h | app name - yea, maybe | 22:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can change the position of the arrow with relative positioning. | 22:24 |
| RST38h | all right, let me try shrinking those rows | 22:25 |
| RST38h | I think I can do it, a little bit | 22:25 |
| RST38h | GA: Done. I do not think I can go thinner than this without reducing font size | 22:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that looks fine. | 22:29 |
| RST38h | probably need to suck and use app icons | 22:29 |
| RST38h | Any PERL function that will convert from MIME into binary data? | 22:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Application icons would be good. | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | How big are the ones in the repos? | 22:30 |
| RST38h | 26x26 | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 22:31 |
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| RST38h | apple fanboys are shitting their pants while waiting for the 3g iphone | 22:38 |
| RST38h | is there some kind of sabbath coming for them? | 22:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 22:39 |
| lardman | Talking about useful stuff, all of DSP Programming is up to date, just needs more adding to it | 22:40 |
| lardman | so it can migrate across, etc. | 22:40 |
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| gnuSnob | AT&T is about to be dwarfed by vz too... vz buys alltel | 22:46 |
| lcuk | i think quite a few companies are wondering whats coming as well | 22:46 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: THE END IS COMING | 23:00 |
| RST38h | As in "$10 per gallon of gas or gallon of milk" | 23:00 |
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| Navi | Milk-powered cars | 23:08 |
| Navi | awesome | 23:08 |
| RST38h | more like pedal-powered... | 23:09 |
| Navi | Cars powered by my own self-esteem | 23:09 |
| Navi | awesome | 23:09 |
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| Jaffa | Ev'ning | 23:18 |
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| andre___ | hmm, i shouldn't read "milk-powdered cars" at first sight (with sugar on top, please) | 23:19 |
| lcuk | navi, milk powered cars wont work here, the missus is already pissed off at me for drinking all the milk | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, Jaffa. | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mmm . . . milk. | 23:21 |
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| lcuk | she complained because i drank 4 out of 6 pints | 23:21 |
| lcuk | I LEFT HER SOME FFS (shes been on at me all day about this) | 23:21 |
| Jaffa | tsk, that still leaes 2 :-) | 23:21 |
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| Jaffa | Bah, the 'v' key on my father-in-law's laptop is crap. | 23:22 |
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| lcuk | gah always annoying | 23:22 |
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| lcuk | right, i have a movie to watch and code to write, back later | 23:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | bye | 23:25 |
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