IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2008-06-05

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Romeushas anybody attempted a barcode scanner use the N8x0 camera?00:17
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Romeusthe iPhone has a pretty nifty application called iMatrix that works pretty well ( - would it be possible to implement something similar for maemo?00:19
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||cwRomeus: not that I have heard of, but some useful links here
Romeusyeah, I've done some looking around, there's zebra and libdmtx00:25
Romeuslooks like elb might have attempted it from reading logs00:25
elbyeah, I had no luck00:25
elbbut i didn't try too hard00:25
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elbthe image quality on the IT is pretty bad00:26
Romeusit is00:26
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elbI managed to get a couple of bar codes to decode after some serious cleanup in an image editor00:26
elbbut ... it wasn't clear to me how to do it without hand-tweaked cleanup00:26
GeneralAntillesJaffa, pong00:26
* GeneralAntilles has to remember how to type on Dvorak. . . .00:26
elb(it wasn't like i could do a simple "standard white balance -> grayscale -> whatever" pipeline00:26
Romeusthat's too bad, I just to a couple of shots and it does look very noisy00:27
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summatusmentisit's incredibly noisy00:28
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Romeuswould have been nice:
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summatusmentisyeah, agreed00:36
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Romeusis there a decent PIM available for Maemo yet?00:37
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GeneralAntillesGPE or Pimlico00:37
Romeus(no offense to GPE or Pimlico)00:37
GeneralAntillesDifferent people have different definitions of "decent", but a lot of people use both without issue.00:37
summatusmentisor, if you want, KDE PIM, w/ penguinbait's stuff00:37
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Romeusthe only one I haven't tried yet is Pimlico... I guess I've been spoiled with full featured PIM on Windows Mobile syncing with Outlook & Thunderbird pretty easily00:39
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Romeushmm, no download for pimlico yet00:40
Romeusat least not for sync00:41
summatusmentis*sigh* that's reassuring. Boxwave sent out my screen protector the day they charged me00:41
summatusmentisyou can also run a garnet vm, and use palm syncing stuff00:41
summatusmentisalso, windows mobile? gross00:42
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texelOr you could be insane like me and use rsync + emacs + bbdb + muse. =op00:43
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Romeuswindows mobile OS might be gross in some way, but it does PIM really really well00:43
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summatusmentismight be all it's good for :)00:44
summatusmentisand it does pim really well with MS products00:44
GeneralAntillesWoo, Quim joined MAG. :D00:44
Romeustoo bad we can't just emulate it for that00:44
Romeuswith Funambol it does PIM really well with a lot of products00:45
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Romeusbtw, I was wondering why scrolling and motion on the N800 is kind of choppy... does that have anything to do with no using the PowerVR not being used?00:46
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GeneralAntillesIt has more to do with the crappy LCD controller.00:47
Romeusso, I guess there's no way around that00:48
summatusmentiswhat is Funambol?00:48
Cptnodegardtiny cpu00:48
GeneralAntillesNot particularly, Romeus.00:48
RomeusOMG, you've got to check Funambol out:
lcuk:) @ choppy00:49
Romeusso no chance of getting smooth iPhone like animated transitions :(00:50
GeneralAntillesWell, there's always a chance00:50
GeneralAntillesbut the effort that would end up going into that isn't really worth the return.00:50
Romeusthough Canola isn't bad, though it does getting a little choppy on its transitions00:50
infobotRomeus meant: though Canola isn't bad, though it does get a little choppy on its transitions00:51
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Romeuscool, I love the infobot00:52
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lcukGeneralAntilles, :) you're right, its not00:52
GeneralAntilleslcuk's case is far too hackish and egdy. :P00:53
Romeusany news on drivers PowerVR MBX 3d drivers?00:53
lcukabsolutely agree00:53
GeneralAntillesThey talked about it at LinuxTag00:53
lcukand before00:53
GeneralAntillesI'd appreciate it if somebody who was actually there could put a summary up on the wiki.00:53
GeneralAntillesSo far I've gotten, "drivers pretty much suck" and "more coming later this year"00:54
summatusmentisI don't know what I think about this Gizmo thing00:54
GeneralAntillessummatusmentis, are you using it with rtcomm?00:54
lcukhey, re the wiki, ive just first posted with a stupid thing but it looked daft having nothing there00:55
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GeneralAntillesHrm, I seem to recall another finger-keyboard thumb-activation bug other than this one:
GeneralAntillesCan't find it, though, am I just hallucinating?00:55
summatusmentisGeneralAntilles: I don't know... I just turned it on00:55
summatusmentisRomeus: is Funambol free?00:56
Romeussummatusmentis: free and os!00:56
GeneralAntillessummatusmentis, are you using Gizmo's client or the built-in SIP client?00:56
summatusmentisGizmo's client00:56
summatusmentisbrb, gotta go get dinner00:56
Romeussummatusmentis: client and server (including plugins)00:57
elbRomeus: if you come up with a way to get decent bar codes out of an IT, I'd love to see it00:57
elbI want to use mine to do some inventory tracking00:57
lcuk800 would be better target for that00:58
lcukrotatable cam and all00:58
elbyeah, that's another real problem with the 81000:58
elb(for this purpose)00:58
GeneralAntillessummatusmentis, try it with the built-in SIP client (rtcomm) much, much better.00:58
elbI had a lot of trouble getting it lined up for images00:58
Romeuselb: yeah, after I took a few shots of barcodes with my N800, I quicky realized it probably won't be "worth the return" - lol00:59
elbRomeus: well, bar codes are meant to be readable under pretty bad noise situations00:59
elbso ...00:59
Romeusthe N800 rotatable cam does help01:00
elb(that said, I came to the same conclusion)01:00
elbthere's a difference between "somebody could probably do this", and "I'm going to do this" ;-)01:00
Romeusthe problem isn't only the noise I'm getting, but it's tough getting the shot not to blur a little bit01:01
GeneralAntillesguenther, ping01:01
Romeusit would be cool to have it scan a barcode and do an online price comparison01:02
guentherGeneralAntilles: pong01:02
GeneralAntillesI just resolved 2621 as FIXED, but it's probably more of a duplicate of 162901:02
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GeneralAntillesTarget milestone needs to be set, too, but can you change it to duplicate directly instead of me going REOPEN -> DUPLICATE?01:03
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RomeusGeneralAntilles: what would it take to get the LCD controller able to render smooth transitions?01:04
GeneralAntillesNew hardware or crazy-insane hacking software side.01:04
Romeusany idea what the crazy-insane hacking software side look like?01:05
guentherGeneralAntilles: No, you can't changed Reso FIXED to DUPE directly.01:05
guentherYou need to REOPEN it first.01:05
GeneralAntillesYeah, I know _I_ can't, but that's why I have you (assuming you can). :P01:06
guentherThat was a general "you".01:06
GeneralAntillesOK, I'll handle it then.01:06
guentherUsing the web interface, this is not possible.01:06
guentherThe only way would be editing the SQL database directly.01:07
guentherWhich is nasty! :)01:07
guentherGeneralAntilles: Thank you!01:07
GeneralAntillesGood to know.01:07
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summatusmentisGeneralAntilles: I guess I don't much see the point of SIP phones in general01:07
Romeushas anybody done any hardware modding on the N800?01:08
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GeneralAntillessummatusmentis, look into grand central. ;)01:08
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GeneralAntillessummatusmentis, I have 3 tablets, all connected to my Gizmo account with rtcomm.01:09
GeneralAntillesand GrandCentral rings those 3 tablets and my cell for incoming calls.01:09
summatusmentisGeneralAntilles: and it costs money?01:10
GeneralAntilles$30 a year for the Gizmo LineIn, and I've used about $15 of minutes on Gizmo.01:10
GeneralAntillesGrandCentral is free right now, invites are just closed.01:10
lcukRomeus, i know somethings about getting the most out of the display adapter :)01:11
Veggensummatusmentis: I plan to extend my usage on asterisk to make my own set of useful private services. Like, dialback-services, etc. My n810 is connected to that - over an openvpn when I'm away ;)01:12
lcukin the next couple of days i will be (finally) getting something on youtube and maybe test apps etc (if i can summon up the energy to build a package)01:12
Veggensip-based things can be useful, yah.01:12
GeneralAntilleslcuk, hrw already volunteered for that duty. :P01:13
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Romeuslcuk> have you tested them out?01:16
lcukgood point, he did didnt he01:16
lcuktested what out01:16
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Romeus Romeus, i know somethings about getting the most out of the display adapter :) <--- something01:16
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lcukive been building and playing with a few little test programs trying to push the adapter, ive got fullscreen tearfree text rendering and a similar sketch program with kinetic scrolling and big fast menus etc.  its been in fulltime use now for 3 weeks and outshines paper because im keeping it all together01:17
lcukso yes ive got "something" its not general case framebuffer speedups for all of x, but its given me a playground to re-learn my c code and find my mojo again01:18
* lcuk hasnt felt this good coding for a long time :)01:18
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Romeusluck> that sounds great01:19
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Romeuspimilco looks decent01:20
manyosohi, contains gperf package for X86, but not ARMEL01:21
manyosoanyone know where to get gperf deb for ARMEL target?01:21
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* lardman appears to have reverted even while in the pub01:29
lardmanevening all :)01:29
lardmanohey GeneralAntilles01:31
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lardmanunfair changing nicks all the time01:31
GeneralAntillesIt's mostly just two.01:31
* GeneralAntilles just got back to his apartment and the AC's mostly broken.01:32
lardmanstill too much for me :D01:32
GeneralAntillesHooray for Florida summers!01:32
lardmanhmm, looks like rain here and ~12C01:32
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GeneralAntilles31°C right now.01:32
lardmannice :)01:33
GeneralAntillesAt least it's managing to keep the humidity below 60%01:33
GeneralAntillesHave to talk to the manager tomorrow. . . .01:33
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lcuklardman, flying back: all the way a lovely sunset - descent into manchester:  dark grey clouds and doom and gloom.  was heartbreaking01:33
lardmanlcuk: I didn't see too much really, was more remembering the low flying F-16/Mig-29 at Schoenenfeld that afternoon :)01:35
lardmanshame they built the terminal there, would have had a far better view without ;)01:36
Romeusthanks guys! I'm signing off01:36
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lcukwhen i landed at Tegel there was an entire set of military helicopters the entire length of the runway with rotors on01:36
lardmancool :)01:36
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lcuki would have loved to see more01:37
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lardmanme too, not enough time though01:37
lardmanhas the password gone from the Diablo repo now?01:38
lcukon the moors there are spots you can go walking and be buzzed by low flying jets :)01:38
lcuknot sure, ive stayed away for now01:38
lcuki want a stable system01:38
lardman:) yeah, was in the Lakes week before last and saw lots of low-level Tornadoes/Hercules, was great :)01:38
lardmanmy system crashed - couldn't boot so have reflashed01:39
GeneralAntillesDiablo's been fine for me.01:39
GeneralAntillesJust some MicroB stupidity.01:39
pupnikamusing:  how a guy plays with unwanted visitors on his wlan
lcuklardman, then an ideal time to check out the future :)01:39
* lardman is looking for gpsdriver, needs to look for the repo again01:39
pupnikevening lads01:39
lardmanhi pupnik01:40
guentherGeneralAntilles: Nice, you even left the appropriate comment. :)01:40
lcukhi pupnik :)01:41
* GeneralAntilles is winning at Bugzilla. :P01:41
GeneralAntillesHey, pupnik.01:41
pupnikwhich bug?01:41
lcukpupnik my blisters are healing, i got new shoes ;) but now the weather is so crap i dont wanna go out01:41
GeneralAntillesJust the finger keyboard activation bug. #262101:42
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lardmanlcuk: need gumboots01:45
lardmanlcuk: wellingtons I suppose I should say01:45
lcuklol i wouldv looked kinda odd01:46
lardmanhmm, why can't I see the Diablo repo anymore?01:47
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GeneralAntillesHa . . . there's like a half-dozen miniusb cables under my desk.01:50
lcukis bluetooth networking much slower than wifi for console/small file transfer?01:51
MangoFusionGeneralAntilles: you could make a lovely mini-usb work of art with them01:51
MangoFusionor maybe not ;)01:51
GeneralAntilleslcuk, it'll probably run in the 100-300KB/sec range.01:52
GeneralAntillesSo fine for, say, small text files and binaries.01:52
lcukand i assume battery life will get a kick :)01:52
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lcukholy poo!  microsoft apologised for a delay in their software!  they realise people get pissed off waiting for a simple action to complete01:53
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lcukanyway :) ill catch you lot later on01:56
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summatusmentiswho pinged me earlier?02:00
summatusmentisI can't get my irssi to scroll up in Terminal.app02:01
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lardmannote to self, don't try to remember usernames&passwords after 30th birthday drinks02:03
GeneralAntillessummatusmentis, me02:04
GeneralAntilles'grats, lardman.02:05
summatusmentisGeneralAntilles: what'd you want?02:05
GeneralAntillessummatusmentis, just telling you to use the rtcomm client over Gizmo. ;)02:05
summatusmentislol, oh, yeah, Isaw that part, I must've missed the last thing you said or somesuch02:05
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summatusmentisSo, I've decided there are about 3 things I 'need' for my IT to be able to be the coolest gadget I've ever owned02:26
summatusmentis1) Cell Data02:27
summatusmentis2) >= 16GB micro SD cards02:27
summatusmentis3) ... I can't remmber what 3 is :D02:27
GeneralAntillesAT&T is fairly cheap for data02:27
summatusmentisgsm doesn't work where I need it02:28
GeneralAntillesI pay $20/mo for "unlimited" non-tethering that I tether with.02:28
summatusmentisI live in the boonies, and gsm is shite out here02:28
summatusmentisSprint has this SERO thing I'm considering, but that'd require somehow getting out of my plan02:29
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summatusmentiseven just #1 would make it way more usable02:30
GeneralAntillesYeah, data is nice.02:30
GeneralAntillesDon't think about internet access02:31
GeneralAntillesjust use it.02:31
summatusmentisI do, a decent amount02:33
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summatusmentiswait, misunderstood what you were saying :)02:34
summatusmentishow easy is it to keep the two devices connected? or to get it set up?02:34
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summatusmentisoh! 3 was working GPS02:37
summatusmentisbut that be related to where I am02:37
GeneralAntillesGPS is Diablo.02:37
GeneralAntillessummatusmentis, run the wizard tablet side02:37
GeneralAntillesThe tablets tether way more simply and easily than any other platform I've tried.02:38
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summatusmentisawesome :)02:40
summatusmentisit was a pain to get my Zaurus to tether02:40
lardmannight all02:40
summatusmentis(mostly due to lack of bluetooth)02:40
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summatusmentisooh! the HTC mogul has a program you can install to use the wifi card on the mogul to broadcast a wifi signal :)02:42
summatusmentisso broadcast the data via the wifi... that's cool02:42
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DekaritaeA matter of interest, the Wii web browser uses the Flash 7 plugin, same as Opera on Maemo04:31
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DekaritaeSo all the games on sites like should work fine04:31
GAN800Only if you're talking really old Opera.04:31
DekaritaeTo my knowledge there is no Flash 8 or 9 plugin for Linux04:32
GAN800It's been Flash 9 since summer 200704:32
GAN800Your knowledge is waaaay out of date.04:32
GAN800Linux has had 9 for longer than that.04:33
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Anunakinhi to all!04:43
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summatusmentishi Anunakin04:47
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summatusmentisGAN800: you tether with a regular phone right?05:01
summatusmentisnot some smartphone or something?05:01
GAN800Samsung A71705:01
GAN800Thin, simple.05:01
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summatusmentishmmm... I'm looking at the Sanyo S105:03
summatusmentisdo you do any texting?05:03
summatusmentisbad reviews though :/05:03
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GAN800Not a lot, summatusmentis05:15
GAN800Mostly just call people or IM on the NITST05:15
summatusmentisI'll my internal flash is 80% forll O\__/O05:15
GAN800er, NIT05:15
GAN800Delete the 40MB of pdfs?05:16
infobotsummatusmentis meant: I'll my internal flash is 80% full O\__/O05:16
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chi800hi, do i need a new kernel or patch for usbcontrol to work?05:24
chi800trying to connect usb kb05:25
chi800usb icon shows, no device id in usbcontrol screen05:25
GeneralAntillesNo, chi800.05:25
chi800hm weird05:25
AnunakinU dont need a new kernew05:26
chi800this kb does have a caps lock light, is that a problem powerwise?05:26
chi800can i just take it out?05:26
chi800the led?05:26
AnunakinHere I have same problem but the kb works05:27
GeneralAntillesA lot of USB keyboards need more than 100mA05:27
AnunakinI think yes05:27
chi800i also get a no file sys found warning05:27
GeneralAntillesIgnore it05:27
Anunakinwhat file?05:27
chi800not found05:28
Anunakinhere mine not geting this error!05:28
chi800do i need a reboot after installing usbcontrol, or does that not matter?05:28
AnunakinI thinking about sacrifice my USB cable ... turn it to a host USB cable...05:29
Anunakinno need reboot05:29
Anunakinthis only change a flag at kernel/proc05:29
Anunakinnot a module or other think05:30
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lcukchi, look for the fcc label on the underside of the keyboard, let us know the ma it requires05:30
Anunakinyes maybe your kb need more power then u nokia can give05:30
chi800doesn't say, but i can look it up one sec05:31
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Anunakintry u kb with your nokia on power05:31
lcuka 100ma is right on the limit and on my kb it kinda sorta worked until i did chording and i gave up :) bt FTW05:31
GeneralAntillesAnunakin, that wont change anything.05:31
GeneralAntillesTry it on a powered hub instead. ;)05:31
GeneralAntillesAnunakin, the 100mA is a kernel limit.05:31
AnunakinI remember this change on Zaurus...05:32
GeneralAntillesYou could remove the limit05:32
Anunakinbut is another kernel05:32
GeneralAntillesbut no guarantees that your device wouldn't crap out.05:32
DekaritaeHas anyone built an overcharger for an N8x0 device?05:32
Anunakincan toast the USB too... without it05:32
AnunakinMan I using a powered USB HUB with 7 ports05:33
AnunakinMy DVD-RW works only with it05:34
chi800can't find power specs anywhere, it's an adesso akb 21005:35
chi800would taking out the led reduce the power need?05:36
lcukas long as the cabling is fine, about the only reasonable thing to try is a full battery out restart of all the hardware :)  ive had the usb chip crash in the past, but if that then doesnt work the kb prob takes too much power to be usable05:37
chi800here goes05:37
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lcukdo you think i should have told him to shutdown first ...05:37
lcukanyway, to bed05:38
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chi800no luck with that, and the led is one of those tiny flat ones05:43
AnunakinAny knows if I can show the mouse cursor at maemo?05:45
chi800doubt it05:46
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DekaritaeWhat format does the library "book path" use in FBReader?05:48
DekaritaeI've tried specifying it as /media/mmc1/books and file:///media/mmc1/books05:48
GeneralAntillesIt's weird about scanning05:49
GeneralAntillesI'd just add manually05:49
GeneralAntillesmore convenient, since you can add metadata.05:50
chi800add a /05:50
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DekaritaeI'm going to be automating updates the folder with Sunrise XP, so there won't be any manual involvement05:51
DekaritaeOk the path is /media/mmc1/Library/ and it does not load from this folder05:57
chi800the led blinks for a split second on plugging in,  it's probably power, right?05:57
GeneralAntillesIt'll blink when the display's off and it's plugged in05:58
GeneralAntillesCould be related to that.05:58
GeneralAntillesI turned that off a while ago, though.05:58
chi800what happens if i cut one of the power pins?06:00
chi800could it still work?06:00
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chi800icon still shows up but nada id06:06
DekaritaeI am trying to update the "Operating System" in the Application Manager, and it tells me it can't because packages are missing. Specifically libglade2-0 libvte4 makedev and libvte-common06:08
chi800should a wait bicon change to something else once i click host or after i connect/refresh?06:08
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GAN800Dekaritae, turn off red pill.06:10
GAN800That's not an update.06:10
GAN800Just a good way to make your install unbootable.06:11
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GAN800It installs coreutils == non-bootable.06:11
DekaritaeWhy is it there06:12
GAN800You turned on Red Pill. You should never see that package.06:12
DekaritaeI did not06:12
GAN800You did, or you wouldn't see it.06:12
DekaritaeI purchase this device secondhand06:12
DekaritaeAssuming the prior owner did such06:13
GeneralAntillesOK, then the previous owner turned it on.06:13
GeneralAntillesEither way, it's on. ;)06:13
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GeneralAntillesTo turn it off, add a new repository with url "matrix" and tap cancel06:13
GeneralAntillesthen tap Blue06:13
GeneralAntillesand all will be well again.06:13
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DekaritaeYes, that makes sense06:14
GeneralAntillesIt's a meta-package either for the SDK or maybe SSU testing or something06:15
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chi800can i associate mp3 files with canola?06:47
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kulvechi800: I guess you can edit the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/hildon. The mimetypes per application are listed there07:10
chi800cool, thanks07:11
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Mikhowould somebody know anything about HildonDesktopPopupMenu? Like how to use it etc.09:59
Mikho this is not very descriptive09:59
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Mikhohow do I create one? there's no _new() function or anything10:07
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dnearymorning trickie|work10:24
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trickie|workdneary: howdy10:25
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Mikho look at this... why is there a G_BEGIN_DECLS at the end of the file?10:53
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MikhoAm I the first to use this interface?10:54
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Mikho The same complaint for this too10:59
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j_a_v_nhi! Does anybody know how to change the subtitles encoding for mplayer on maemo? I've tried converting the subs to utf8 from iso8859-7 but it can't play both. Thanks11:05
hrwj_a_v_n: -subcp=iso8859-7 maybe11:08
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j_a_v_nhrw,  i'm a newbie. you mean executing mplayer on maemo like mplayer -subcp=iso8859-7  on x-term?11:10
hrwor set "subcp=iso8859-7" in mlayer config file11:12
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j_a_v_nwould you know maybe where it is located? Thanks for your help11:13
RST38hAll right, preliminary version:
RST38hIt is very very alpha though11:13
JaffaRST38h: is it showing everything or just Section: user/*11:14
RST38hDisregard the second query line11:14
JaffaI'd probably suggest that should be an optional "advanced" mode, since most people can't install non user/ packages in App Mgr11:14
RST38hThere will be11:15
JaffaAh cool.11:15
j_a_v_nhrw: nevermind,i'll find it and try what you proposed. Thanks again. You all have a nice day11:15
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X-Fade_RST38h: I think the idea is cool, but tends to hide the underlying problem.11:19
X-Fade_We really need to work towards some kind of distribution, because this is the beginning of a dependency hell :)11:19
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JaffaIndeed. My worry is that by hiding the problem, the impetus for fixing it goes away and things just get worse and worse until it gets so bad it *has* to be fixed, and it's then a bigger job. I've certainly seen a lot of that in my day job11:20
RST38hX-Fade: this is experimental stuff11:21
RST38hX-Fade: the idea is to find the best way to represent repository contents to the user11:22
X-Fade_RST38h: I know and I don't want to use stop energy here ;)11:22
RST38hIn the final version, a lot of results you are seeing will be hidden unless you explicitely request "see all" mode11:22
X-Fade_RST38h: Sure, it can even be used when we do have a proper repository.11:22
JaffaRST38h: suggest some funky effects to have some wow factor :-)11:23
RST38hAnd stuff that have potential for conflicts will be highlighted with warning signs11:23
RST38hJaffa: it should work on the tablet11:23
RST38hJaffa: i.e. the most spectacular thing you can expect is folding entries11:24
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JaffaRST38h: fair enough (although IME isn't too slow on microb)11:24
RST38hX-Fade: My problem with the one-repository-or-bust approach Quim appears to be sticking with is that it is a social problem not a technical one11:25
RST38hX-Fade: And social problems tend to have no real solutions and thus continue for years. You just can't make *everybody* use single repo, no matter what you do11:26
JaffaI think there have been technical problems with the extras barrier to entry, but I think it's also an education issue. People don't understand why it's bad.11:26
X-Fade_RST38h: Well look at Debian. There is a central repository and all kinds of projects have their own repos.11:26
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JaffaRST38h: oh, we could - make it so there's no UI for additional repos ;-)11:26
RST38hX-Fade: yep11:26
X-Fade_But at least the basic quality software is in the central one ;)11:26
RST38hJaffa: iPhone way? :)11:26
RST38hX-Fade: Still, there is alot of software that is not even in repos11:26
RST38hBTW, my original idea was to provide a one-click deb upload for such software11:27
X-Fade_RST38h: Yes. And that is bad :)11:27
JaffaRST38h: slightly less restrictive (you could always have a package in extras which installed your extra repo in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/)11:27
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RST38hJaffa: umgh11:28
* Jaffa still thinks his "polling something for updates and auto-upload" would help a lot of people. They set up they want the uploading, and then just build debs and copy them to their website. Basic QA checks are done automatically (and possibly peer reviewed) and then it's auto-put into extras if it passes.11:28
RST38hX-Fage: We have got pupnik who for some reason is averse to putting his stuff in repos =)11:28
RST38hJaffa: Yea, but this relies on the stuff staying at the same locaiton under the sme name11:29
X-Fade_RST38h: That is because he is unsure of the quality of the packages. IIRC.11:29
RST38hX-Fade: His packages behave better than Canola or OpenSSH11:29
X-Fade_RST38h: Sure, tell him that ;)11:29
JaffaRST38h: true11:30
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JaffaAnd we've got extras-devel now at least for people who don't think their software is "good enough" for extras11:30
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jldiazI've downloaded remind and compiled it in scratchbox. All went ok.11:54
jldiaznow I have a binary remind, which I can copy to my NIT and runs without problem11:55
jldiazmy question is...11:55
jldiazwhere can I find documentation about packaging the result into a .deb?11:55
jldiazthanks X-Fade_ !11:56
X-Fade_jldiaz: And this one:
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jldiazOk, I'll read that, but as a quick question...11:58
jldiazdoes it takes much effort/time to write all neccessary stuff in deb/ ?11:58
jldiazfiguring the dependencies and so on? or is it mostly automated?11:59
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jldiazoh, forget my question12:01
X-Fade_jldiaz: That depends on you application. ;)12:02
jldiazI can see it is mostly automated12:02
jldiazmy app is a console app, which does not use any fancy library (not even curses)12:02
jldiazso I figure that the default scripts made by dh_make would be enough12:03
X-Fade_Well, then packaging will not be hard.12:03
jldiazAt the very minimum, I should provide a description, I guess12:04
jldiazdh_make can figure itself the dependencies?12:05
wndonce you have set source dependencies it should12:09
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Mikhohow can I find out runtime the root hildon window size?12:37
MikhoI wouldn't want to hardcode it to the N810 screen size12:37
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hrwwhy you need it?12:44
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Mikhoso that I can adjust the position of a popup window so it doesn't go out of the monitor screen12:45
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KotCzarnyit's a wm's job12:45
KotCzarny(window manager)12:46
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Mikhowell, hildon_desktop_popup_window_popup asks for a callback function that would adjust the window position12:51
Mikhoso I'm writing a such function for it12:51
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KotCzarnyhave you considered that your app would be useful on regular pc too?12:52
Mikhomaybe not, but on later internet tablet models that have different screen resolution12:53
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KotCzarnyas for root windows size, just use x11 function querying window params12:54
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Mikhohmm, how do I do that?12:55
KotCzarnythat was long time ago..12:56
eocanhaMikho: have you tried this?12:58
MikhoI just found that13:00
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SaineTarasindHi there13:41
SaineTarasindhas anybody out there running lyx on chinook ?13:42
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pekujaI'm having a problem trying to apt-get update inside scratchbox13:50
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pekuja"I get |Temporary failure resolving ''"13:50
pekujaI googled for this and found some pointers about fixing /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf but it didn't seem to help at all13:51
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pekujaor, nsswitch.conf was already like the solution seemed to say13:51
Jaffapekuja: check your /etc/resolv.conf in scratchbox13:51
pekujaI'm running this on Ubuntu hardy13:51
pekujahmm, seems to have nameserver set to
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pekujanow it seems to work13:54
pekujait prints this out a few times though:13:54
pekujaqemu: uncaught target signal 2 (Interrupt) - exiting13:54
pekujabut seems to work fine otherwise13:54
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Mikhoall right, resolved the root window size problem13:54
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pekujado you know what that error message could mean? it's weird, apt-get keeps on going despite those errors13:55
Mikhojust call gdk_drawable_get_size on gdk_get_default_root_window()13:55
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pekujahow can I load a kernel module on an N810?14:10
pekujaor gain root access14:10
johnxinsmod /path/to/foo.ko14:12
infoboti guess easyroot is an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com14:12
pekujaso there's no way to load a module without installing an extra app?14:13
johnxyou could use the linux flasher to put your n810 in r&d mode14:13
johnxthen use sudo gainroot14:13
pekujahmn, ok14:14
johnxthe easyroot app just makes a small modification to the gainroot script IIRC14:14
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pekujacute, I tried sudo gainroot without setting the device into r&d mode, it says "Enable RD mode if you want to break your device"14:14
johnxright, so most methods to "get root" just consist of a postinst script in a .deb package that changes the gainroot script to not check whether the r&d mode bit is set14:15
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Mikhowould somebody know what the error "maemo-launcher: error rising the oom shield for pid=1603 status=5632" means?14:26
BugBlueoom = memory14:26
BugBluelooks like out of memory shield14:27
Mikhoout of mana14:27
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MikhoI don't think I'm out of memory14:29
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AStormyou may be14:30
AStormactually, oom shield is anti-oom protection14:31
AStormthere is an oom controller in maemo, which protects vital processes from being killed14:31
AStormor bothered by it14:31
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Mikhohmm, the error appears even before i run my app14:34
AStormwhich is correct14:35
AStormit shouldn't be shielded14:35
Mikhookay, maybe I'll just ignore the error14:37
Mikhowould somebody know which interfaces I should use if I want a popup menu in my app?14:37
Mikhohildon_desktop_popup_menu looks like it's almost halfway done14:38
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*** ricko73 has quit IRC14:53 garnetvm pretty much makes the n800 the cheapest (and fastest?) palm os device in the world, doesn't it?14:55
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RST38h[it is in early alpha]15:01
johnxso right now, it's just hooked up to exrtas?15:02
johnxpretty darn slick15:02
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johnxso you put it on your own host after all?15:03
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RST38hIt is hooked up to a list of repos I typed into db15:03
RST38hyea, nobody volunteered15:03
johnxit looks nice15:05
johnxare you interested in suggestions?15:05
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KotCzarnyrst, volunteered to what?15:05
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pupnikjohnx: have they implmented screen rotation in garnet yet?15:08
pupnikoh sory15:08
pupnikRST38h: is this like gronmayer?15:08
* lcuk_work burps15:09
lcuk_workhi folks15:09
pupniklcuk o/15:09
florianhi lcuk_work15:09
Jaffapupnik: It's like gronmayer in that it indexes repos, it then presents install links for every package; rather than the repo15:09
KotCzarnyhi lcuk15:09
lcuk_workhi kot :) not seen you on since i arrived back.  hows tricks15:10
KotCzarnyin nwn loop again15:10
KotCzarnyhow was the lt?15:11
lcuk_workltag was amazing and informative - its given me a chance to test and expand and find things which work15:11
pupnikwas great meeting ppl.  berlin totally charmed me15:11
lcuk_workand i met some great people :)15:11
pupnikthat tiergarten cafe/pizza place ruled15:12
lcuk_workpupnik, the weather really helped make it easy going out and having a great time15:12
KotCzarnyare there any site with photos?15:12
lcuk_worktherres a few around, but tbh i was more interested in talking to people rather than getting them to pose, and a lot of ppl were the same15:13
lcuk_workerr ive got a link on home computer to at least one set15:13
lcuk_workbut since im not there its a bit tough15:13
KotCzarnyok, site with summary/ideas would be nice too :)15:14
lcuk_worktheres again a few about google gives good things for "maemo linuxtag" quils notes are deffo there15:16
lcuk_workthere is also audio for the first 2 hours including my absolute fail15:16
lcuk_workquims *15:17
lcuk_workyes, public speaking is not for the codemonkey :)15:17
KotCzarnybut it's a matter of practice15:18
KotCzarnyisn't it?15:18
lcuk_workbut ive had my head dipped now, it can only get better15:18
lcuk_workexactly, i managed to convey everything i needed to to the people who mattered anyway15:18
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lcuk_workright, ill catch up with you later and have a proper chat15:19
* KotCzarny nods15:19
lcuk_workcyas in a bit15:19
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pupniki hadn't realized how much stuff florian boor is involved in15:20
KotCzarnywho is florian boor?15:21
pupnikgave a talk, works on openembedded15:23
pupniki really appreciated lardman's thoughtful comments.  he's got a pretty balanced view of things IMO15:23
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pupnikand his girlfriend has great taste in music :P15:25
pupnik(wife?) dunno15:25
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Jaffalardman'd definitely be one of the people I'd like to see nominated if we ever held Community Council elections.15:26
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florianKotCzarny: guess ;)15:26
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KotCzarnywouldn't that limit his work on "real stuff" ?15:26
KotCzarnytime resources are limited usually15:27
JaffaKotCzarny: I'd hope that my Community Council idea wouldn't really be a time sink.15:27
pupniki liked it15:27
pupnikit's a way of community choosing members who we think should have more standing15:27
pupniklike a way to positively weight their comments15:28
JaffaYeah, that's a good way of looking at it.15:28
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Jaffaqgil's said loads of times recently "the community should decide", but there's no way anybody can say what "the community" wants: there's loads of discussion, but no-one with the authority to sum it up and draw conclusions. If the community elected people to have that power, I think it'd help progress things more15:29
RST38hpupnik: More or less, but can be operated from the tablet and gives a fuller view15:29
pupniknice job RST38h15:30
pupnikwas just pulling up blank pages for me a minute ago though15:30
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pupnikJaffa: would it be sensible to make a taxonomy of maemo areas of expertise, and allow the community vote on members, and assign those (via checkboxes) to different ppl?  Not sure if that's doable or a good idea...15:36
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Jaffapupnik: Hmm, not sure either. One immediate problem I can see is deciding what topic a particular area falls under; but that's "just" a case of designing a good taxonomy (not easy). For example, one thing I'd like to see the Council do is lay out the process for the brainstorm which is currently underway, ask for comments but otherwise drive it through, agree with qgil and then say "*this* is what we want the brainstorm to produce, let's go!"15:39
sp3000mmm process15:40
* pupnik shrugs15:41
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* sp3000 whistles15:42
pupnikTo me there don't seem be very many people in the community who seem to have enough overview and expertise to make balanced/wise suggestions.15:44
RST38hAnybody knows how to make twoHTML spans align to the left and right margins of the same line?15:44
pupnikAbout core components.15:44
JaffaRST38h: with or without an additional div?15:45
RST38hsame line15:45
JaffaThe easiest way is to display: block them, text-align: left and right and then set the right one to have a negative margin of about 1em. Bit hacky, though15:46
* RST38h will go with a table instead15:47
KotCzarnyi just use tables..15:47
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mgedminnegative margins?  just put the right-aligning one before the left-aligning one, iirc15:54
mgedminI hate that reversal of order, by the way15:54
KotCzarnycss hacks usually break :)15:55
Jaffamgedmin: that's the other way, and float it right, instead of text-aligning it.15:55
KotCzarnytables are stable15:55
JaffaBut you've broken the semantic ordering and there can be problems with wrapping and stuff at some point later. It's better than the -ve margin, though15:55
KotCzarnymargins are buggy15:56
KotCzarnyin one widely used browser15:56
JaffaRoll on IE815:56
KotCzarnywell, not it one15:56
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KotCzarnyie8? O.o15:56
JaffaSupposedly much better on standards than 6 or 7; but I've not tried it yet15:56
KotCzarnyi haven't checked ie7 still15:56
JaffaIE7's a bit better; not a lot though15:57
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JaffaWTF?! Is FBReader not in extras?16:02
RST38hFBReader has its own repo16:03
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JaffaOh FFS16:04
Cptnodegardpat pat16:09
Cptnodegardit'll all be ok16:09
KotCzarnyfun for seniors?16:09
Cptnodegardmaemo bingo?16:09
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dbbddbdbDid anybody install *and* update Debian on N800?  Mine stopped showing Xfce (only a text login), although the X server is running (xclock renders properly into the framebuffer)16:14
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kuphi. is there way to make a camera shot from command line?16:17
tmpsantoskup: write a python script to do that16:18
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kuptmpsantos: thx :)16:19
Schubidudoes an public beta of diablo already exist ?16:20
JaffaNot officially. The repo is up, and password protected. The password is apparently trivial.16:20
Schubiduis it already usable ?16:21
* Jaffa hasn't tried. It works: there's a thread on ITT about it.16:23
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Schubidubtw im new to the n800 (but with a strong unix background) , so sorry if i ask some stupid questions16:25
Schubiduwhich app you recommend for irc on the nokia ?16:26
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Schubiduand has someone abiword stable runnnig on his os2008 or lyx ?16:27
hrwSchubidu: for irc - xchat16:28
infobotwell, xchat-maemo is X-Chat for OS2008 is done by skyhusker and can be fetched from and should be in 'extras' soon16:28
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Schubiduil be back soon16:39
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Schubiddunow with xchat :-)16:48
Schubidduthanks again16:49
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Schubidduhas someone already used pptp on his nokia ?16:59
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Italodancelook here :
Italodanceenjoy :D17:04
lardmanOpenGL accelerated yet? ;)17:05
Italodancejust someone tell me can see the pic?17:05
lardmanI can see it17:06
Italodancegood! :D17:06
Schubidduthe pics of an directory ?17:07
lardmanDoes DBUS offer the option to store data, or must all requests for a certain key (if that's the right word) be handled by some app which provides the data in real-time?17:07
ItalodanceSchubiddu yes dir17:09
Schubidduok then i see it too :-)17:09
lardmanItalodance: why do you ask anyway?17:09
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lardmanlcuk2: you about?17:10
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Italodancelardman the pic isn't  loaded yet here! strange!17:12
lardmanah, I see17:12
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summatusmentis*sigh* I need a cell data plan :-D17:37
trickie|worklardman: dbus messages (and data) not consumed is dropped17:40
trickie|workas in if noone is listening on a bus for a signal that you send, then it gets lost17:41
trickie|workfor example17:41
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lardmantrickie|work: ok, cheers17:47
lardmantrickie|work: I was just looking at the innards of agps-ui and gpsdriver17:47
qwerty12The's repo is timeless's repo right?17:47
lardmanhey qwerty1217:48
qwerty12hi lardman :)17:48
lardmanqwerty12: you see my slight troubles with Diablo?17:48
lardmanis that a known issue?17:48
* qwerty12 is checking17:48
trickie|worklardman: agps-ui <- that from the diablo repo?17:48
lardmanreboot, white screen+blue Nokia, fades away and won't boot17:48
lardmantrickie|work: yep17:48
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AStormRST38h: the aggregator can't find mplayer17:49
lardmanqwerty12: Is there a work around?17:49
AStormI guess it doesn't work17:49
qwerty12lardman, Don't think so :/17:49
qwerty12You don't happen to have a syslog running?17:49
lardmanqwerty12: no I didn't17:49
qwerty12I had a problem where the tablet wouldn't boot after a dodgy update, init wouldn't start. I just reflashed :/17:49
qwerty12ah :/17:49
qwerty12lardman, Are you using chinook atm?17:50
lardmanI did the same, can't be bothered to update to Diablo again, will just look at the binaries and leave the supl protocol until it's released for real17:50
lardmanyes, am now17:50
X-Fadelardman: Can't you just unpack the debs on chinook?17:51
qwerty12Do you have bootmenu installed and a ext2 partition on a spare memory card by any chance?17:51
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lardmanX-Fade: yeah probably17:51
X-Fadeif chinook really is compatible with diablo, that should work.17:52
lardmanX-Fade: sounds like a plan17:52
lardmanqwerty12: no, 2x vfat cards and no bootmenu17:52
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qwerty12Ah :/. I managed to obtain a diablo "rootfs" that was extracted from all the debs that could be dumped on a mmc.17:52
lardmanqwerty12: I installed rtcom, then fiddled with the status bar icons, lost the battery one and it wouldn't come back, so I rebooted and it wouldn't come up17:53
qwerty12Sounds like hildon-desktop is messing up17:53
qwerty12I've installed rtcomm twice in diablo fine17:53
lardmanqwerty12: ok, that rules that one out then17:53
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lardmanooh, i can see dsp-sbc will soon be beating maemo-mapper on the download stakes, 4 whole downloads :)17:56
qwerty12YOU PUBLISHED IT! :O OMG17:57
qwerty12Thanks :)17:57
lardmannot working yet17:57
qwerty12Oh, ah right.17:57
X-Fadelardman: I even promoted your message to the front page of garage. Even though it was kind of non-news ;)17:57
* qwerty12 goes back into boring mode17:57
lardmanX-Fade: lol, i was quite shocked to see it there actually :D17:58
lardmanbut thanks :)17:58
X-FadeWell, more eyes that see it. Maybe there is one guru out there that notices it ;)17:58
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lardmanwe live in hope :)17:58
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lardmanI'll sit down this evening and start comparing the intermediate results from the DSP output and x86 output and hopefully narrow it down17:59
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lardmanmuch simpler structure than Tremor thank God17:59
qwerty12I'll take your word for it :p18:00
X-FadeThat will be tedious work.18:00
* qwerty12 is specialising in printer "hacking" for the tablets18:00
lardmanX-Fade: yeah, that's why it takes me soo long, boring evenings18:00
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lardmaneven doing the washing up is more interesting :)18:01
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summatusmentisqwerty12: printer 'hacking' ?18:02
qwerty12I'm compiling the stuff for the tablet18:02
qwerty12Here's "hijetter" :
summatusmentisOh, I've heard of that18:03
qwerty12As soon as I get my ass around to running aircrack on a kismet dump, I'm gonna have me some fun in school18:04
lardmanthough it didn't work for me the last time i tried it18:04
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summatusmentisqwerty12: be careful, my IT guy at my HS would've come down hard and fast if he found out18:07
summatusmentisI was actually just contemplating playing with this at this place I'm contracting for.... bad idea :)18:07
qwerty12summatusmentis, I've been excluded twice for this sort of stuff and lets just say me got a important password18:08
qwerty12I know :)18:08
summatusmentisexcluded? is that like suspension in the US?18:08
qwerty12It's fun though, I keep shutting down a group of computers18:08
qwerty12summatusmentis, exclusion, it's like separation from the rest of the class for a while18:08
summatusmentisbut you still have to attend school18:09
qwerty12I got external so I had to wait for a week before going back into school18:09
summatusmentisoh, ok18:09
summatusmentiswe call that being suspended in the US, I guess your 'internal exlucsion' would be in-school suspension for us18:09
infobotsummatusmentis meant: we call that being suspended in the US, I guess your 'internal exclusion' would be in-school suspension for us18:10
summatusmentislol, a week? what were you doing?18:10
qwerty12I brought up a cmd prompt using a little BASIC program I made and opened up the registration system (has addresses etc)18:11
summatusmentisbye Schubiddu18:13
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summatusmentisqwerty12: lol, you script kiddie18:13
qwerty12summatusmentis, Thanks, keep the compliments coming :P18:14
summatusmentislol, that's not generally a good thing. Start doing useful things w/ that knowledge18:14
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summatusmentishi GAN80018:14
GAN800Jaffa, I filed a bug abiut Extras on FBReader's tracker a few weeks ago.18:15
qwerty12It don't work on OS200818:16
qwerty12Very ;)18:16
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JaffaGAN800/GeneralAntilles: howdy - and cool on the fbreader bug18:53
GeneralAntillesMarius (I think) also poked them about it on the Google group a few months ago.18:53
GeneralAntillesWe should set out to inundate them with complaints. ;)18:53
GeneralAntillesThen can be the first target for "What the community can do"18:54
JaffaGeneralAntilles: talking of which, I took your "community leader" idea and turned it into "Community Council" which, hopefully, you'll have seen.18:54
GeneralAntillesYeah, I caught it.18:54
GeneralAntillesChatted a bit with lardman about it last night.18:54
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GeneralAntillesHe mentioned that it might better represent the community with 5 members instead of 3.18:55
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JaffaNo argument from me, odd number always best though in case you need to get into a voting situation18:56
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GeneralAntillesOddly, my top-3 list are all UK-based.18:58
qwerty12Obviously, UK owns18:58
JaffaShouldn't that be "pwns" if we want to be irrationally jingoistic? ;-)18:59
qwerty12happy now? :p18:59
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GeneralAntillesThe Recent Changes RSS feed would be nice if it weren't so slow on the uptake.19:01
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qwerty12That makes it "The Not-So-Recent Changes RSS feed"19:01
qwerty12ARF ARF19:03
RST38hsorry that was to ga19:04
GeneralAntillesNo results for Canola, canola, or maemo-pan. :(19:05
AStormRST38h: fixed already?19:05
qwerty12No results for fmsx, vgba ;P19:05
AStormand no results for mplayer either19:05
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RST38hastorm: somewhat, check19:07
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RST38hqwerty: there are results19:08
qwerty12It's working for me now :/19:08
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qwerty12Hmm, I know what I did19:09
AStormno results19:09
qwerty12I chose OS2008, and the While it works when blank, I would expect it to work with those filled in ;)19:09
AStormthe parameters are broken, yes19:09
qwerty12Must have done same thing as me19:10
AStormyes, twoparameters are broken19:10
AStormPlatform and section19:10
RST38hastorm: do not select repository19:12
RST38hkeep all fields clear19:12
AStormrepository works19:13
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JaffaGeneralAntilles/lardman|gone: fiddled with the Council numbers a little: 5 members (+2), reduced voting and nominee karma thresholds19:15
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GeneralAntillesSounds good.19:16
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GeneralAntillesRST38h, the description text is a little hard to read.19:17
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GeneralAntillesParticularly on the tablet.19:18
RST38hga: i can either fold it or keep it this size19:18
GeneralAntillesMaybe up the type size and limit the max characters?19:18
GeneralAntillesWith a (more...) link to expand it.19:18
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GeneralAntillesI'm not in love with that, either, though.19:19
AStormok people19:19
RST38hwill see.. it is an early alpha anyway19:19
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AStormhow do I go about impendance matching in headphones? (esp. Ohm value)19:19
AStormthat should reduce noise as heard with low-Ohm headphones19:20
GeneralAntillesI notice it's set to the max-width for windowed MicroB, any way to make that expand to max-width for fullscreen when you go fullscreen?19:20
GeneralAntillesYeah, I understand, it's looking good, though.19:20
AStormdo I hook up ground through additional Ohms, or not?19:20
RST38hit is set to 100 percent19:20
RST38hor it should be anyway19:20
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GeneralAntillesMaybe it's 100% for its parent element?19:22
RST38hdont remember and i am on a cell phone right now19:23
RST38hwill check tonight19:23
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zapRST38h: Isn't possible to display packages with a one-line description, and if clicked show it on a separate screen?19:24
zapor at least take the first paragraph from description19:24
GeneralAntillesSeparate screen?19:25
GeneralAntillesESPECIALLY ew on the tablet.19:25
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zapWell, on a separate screen it would have a set of screenshots, the full description, and comments from users19:26
zapor is this designed to be just a repo browser?19:26
GeneralAntillesScreenshots from where?19:26
RST38hzap: i amthinking in terms of foldouts19:26
GeneralAntillesI suppose you could probably aggregate in the Downloads shots and comments19:26
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GeneralAntillesbut that sounds painful.19:26
zapfrom anywhere :) we could agree on some standard packaging of screenshots into the .deb19:26
GeneralAntillesand likely to net you false-positives19:26
RST38hcomments - way too far in the future19:26
zapok :)19:27
zapI just remember my first experience with N81019:27
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JaffaScreenshots in deb == bloat on limited space of tablets.19:27
zaplots of apps with bad descriptions19:27
GeneralAntilles@Jaffa's comment.19:27
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zapJaffa: screenshots won't be installed19:27
JaffaSeparate pages with screenshots & comments is too close to the point of downloads.maemo.org19:27
GeneralAntilleszap, bitch at the packagers.19:27
zapjust like the icon19:27
GeneralAntilleszap, still have to be cached.19:27
dnearyHi GeneralAntilles19:28
Jaffazap: oh, so we'll store hundreds of KB of PNG data in the package meta-data, which is still stored on the tablet - but takes up MORE room?! :-)19:28
dnearyI finally got around to doing some wiki stuff today19:28
qwerty12screenshots in debs are also pointless as you have to install the deb anyway. Why have screenshots when you can launch the program anyway?19:28
zapJaffa: ok ok, at least some URL or something like thast19:28
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GeneralAntillesYeah, saw it, dneary. ;)19:28
dnearyGeneralAntilles: Not sure if you agree with me, but I'm going for fewer categories (using sub-categories if necessary)19:28
dnearyand the most prominent links on the front page19:28
GeneralAntillesdneary, my wiki-organizing experience is limited.19:29
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dnearyEven if those links aren't to wiki pages19:29
dnearyI'm unsure about that right now, but anyway - I'm going to let it ride & see how it turns out19:29
GeneralAntillesA URI to a screenshot in the deb might work19:29
GeneralAntillesBut still, mostly pointless.19:30
GeneralAntillesdneary, we can always modify things later19:30
dnearyWhen I have an idea what the Development section should look like I'll get it started & will be solliciting help19:30
RST38hscreenshots are kind of less important19:30
GeneralAntillesHaving something in place to get started is the most important thing for now.19:30
dnearyGeneralAntilles: Indeed - that's what wikis are for :)19:30
zapscreenshots give a general overview of what you're going to install (or not install)19:30
zapand sometimes a screenshot says more than any description19:31
GeneralAntillesdneary, maybe stick a task for the front page on the MAG tasklist?19:31
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* GeneralAntilles still needs to work out the MAG guidelines and process.19:32
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csaavedradoes anyone actually use jhbuild to build maemo? Looks like there's a dependency cycle in the jhbuild moduleset19:32
* qwerty12 wants to KILL maemo for not having a libperl-dev19:33
GeneralAntilles ;)19:33
dnearyI'm actually thinking that the front page should be pretty tightly policed - don't want it growing warts just yet19:33
Jaffadneary: agreed. Structurally should be very static, and have content changes should be as high a quality as possible (c.f. Wikipedia's front page)19:34
dnearyJaffa: I like the front page design that GA came up with, though19:34
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GeneralAntillesSomebody still needs to fix the CSS.19:35
JaffaIt's a good approach, not quite there yet; but I'm not sure what we want it to do19:35
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dnearyGeneralAntilles: OK - I haven't been using the MAG pages for my brain dumping19:39
dnearyI will now19:39
dneary(well, later this evening)19:39
GeneralAntillesJust good to have everything that's going on centralized and easy to track.19:39
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GeneralAntillesandre___, guenther: what do you think about putting together a triager's group on the wiki?19:53
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GeneralAntillesPartly to serve as a central organization point for current triagers and partly to help introduce newcomers to triaging.19:54
guenthersure, good idea19:54
GeneralAntillesOne bit of trouble I had getting into it (aside from the fact that bugzilla has really only recently gained any kind of real focus), is that there really aren't any good guides to bug triaging out there.19:56
GeneralAntillesSo there's a bit of a barrier getting into it.19:56 holds triage information :)19:58
guentherHowever, this pretty much depends on the project.19:58
guentherDifferent rules, processing style, etc.19:59
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Maximanderanyone know if n800 bluetooth stack supports bluetooth serial port profile?20:39
glassit should20:40
glassat least a lot of apps use it for gps or whatever dongles20:40
Maximanderany idea where to start looking for more info (other than google) ?20:41
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pH5Maximander: I'd say, look for the dbus api20:43
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summatusmentisJackson WY has wimax already...20:49
summatusmentisDO WANT!20:49
GeneralAntilles$40/mo minimum20:50
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summatusmentisand it's faster than what some residents are paying $50/mo for20:51
GeneralAntilles1Mbps is faster than $50/mo internet?20:52
summatusmentisthey might be getting better than 1Mbps20:52
summatusmentisapparently this company that's doing it has their own freq for it20:52
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GeneralAntillesNot Xohm?20:53
summatusmentisI don't believe so... hold on, i'm finding out(have a friend in Jackson who works for a company that is being asked to be a reseller)20:55
pupnik_jackson hole had a wild reputation in the 70s20:57
pupnik_i took the biggest ski jump of my life there20:58
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summatusmentisdude, the skiing there is awesome20:58
pupniknothing like skiing with people who are way better than you20:58
summatusmentisfor real20:58
summatusmentisGeneralAntilles: base speed is 1.5Mbps, w/ up to 5 Mbps if you have line of sight20:58
GeneralAntillesI was going from Xohm numbers.20:59
summatusmentisI lived in Jackson for a year, I loved it there20:59
summatusmentisyeah, I'm assuming this isn't Xohm, but I'm gonna find out shortly20:59
pupnikever hit courbet's couloir summatusmentis?21:00
pupnik(i chickened out)21:00
pupnikoh corbet21:00
GeneralAntillesAnybody out with an N810 + Diablo that can test this?21:01
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GeneralAntillesSorry, link:
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summatusmentispupnik: I taught myself how to snowboard out there, only ever skiied the blues21:02
summatusmentisanything bigger than that scared the snot out of me21:02
pupniki mean i can figure you can hop off corbets and just slide down21:02
pupnikbut i was just way too scared21:02
summatusmentisthere are some rough injuries that come out of jumping off stuff on that resort mountain21:03
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summatusmentiswhere is that at? up the tram?21:08
pupnikyeah well i was happy enough to do my first 12 foot jumps and stuff21:09
GeneralAntillesAnybody, N810 + Diablo?
pupnikand none of us had the balls for corbet's so that was ok21:10
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AnunakinGeneral, where we can find diablo!?21:10
GeneralAntillesAnunakin, see the thread on itT21:10
AnunakinYes sir!21:11
summatusmentispupnik: yeah, there's no way I'm good enough to do that21:11
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pupniki don't see how you could stay standing on a snowboard21:11
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summatusmentisa shit-ton of traversals, quickly, and riding one edge the entire time21:12
* pupnik is digging for his jackson hole pics21:12
summatusmentisor you could just go, close your eyes, and see if it works :)21:12
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dannymI'm trying to port VICE (Commodore Emulator) over and I just wondered whether Maemo has any limitations in the X font support... can't find "mkfontdir" or "bdftopcf", for example...21:28
summatusmentisGAN800: what frequency does Xohm use? This company in Jackson is Bridgemaxx, part of Digitalbridge. They're using the 2.3ghz spectrum21:30
summatusmentiswould that make a differnce in throughput?21:33
summatusmentisdoes Xohm just not have a large enough backbone? how is this company getting better speeds than Xohm?21:35
AStormdannym: well, mkfontdir is part of X I think21:36
AStormbdftopcf too21:36
AStormmight be separate packages on Maemo21:36
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GeneralAntillessummatusmentis, it's just the pricing levels.21:39
GeneralAntillesXohm goes up to $6021:39
GeneralAntillesat 5 or 7Mbps or something.21:39
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dannymAStorm: hmmm... how do I find out which package will contain it? My Debian knowledge is a bit rusty...21:42
AStormhmm, dunno, ask someone else21:42
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GeneralAntillesWho wants to start working through this ( to put together a package list for the open/closed justification/petitioning outlined here?
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mgedminwhat's 4.0.1?21:58
mgedminI thought diablo was 4.121:58
GeneralAntillesDiablo is 4.121:58
GeneralAntilles4.0.1 is 50-221:58
GeneralAntilles4.0 is pre-50-221:59
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lcukis there a command line way to power cycle the device properly22:07
penguinbaitshutdown -r now22:07
lcukim not sure, thats why im asking..  does that do a complete restart or is it still the fake one dropping to charger22:08
GeneralAntillesYou have to unplug the charger for it to reboot totally.22:08
penguinbaitI think if you are plugged in, it will always do the " fake"22:08
penguinbaityes what he said22:08
GeneralAntillesIt has to be booted to charge, so it's always^22:09
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befordMy devices doesn't start, It keeps rebooting at the progress bar indicator22:09
JaffaGeneralAntilles: I was imagining a small script which took a list of all the packages on a device and checked for source at repository.maemo.org22:09
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lcukno it doesnt.  it charges fine if i pop the battery and put it in.  it could quite happily survive a cold start22:09
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GeneralAntillesJaffa, sounds a lot more sensible. ;)22:09
lcukreboot and shutdown now found by the way22:10
GeneralAntilleslcuk, no it doesn't what?22:10
lcukit doesnt need to still be running to be waiting to charge22:10
JaffaGeneralAntilles: the small problem is that I'm on holiday tomorrow for two weeks, in communicado; so any input into the 100 Days ends tonight when I shut stuff down and go off to France22:10
penguinbaitlcuk, what he said is its already running, when it says its off and charging22:11
penguinbaitI think, is what GA was saying?22:11
GeneralAntillesIf you want it to charge, it has to be booted22:11
GeneralAntillesso either you've already got it booted, or it takes care of it itself22:11
lcukyer, so if the charger is disconnected when i turn off, is the machine still running the "waiting for charger" app, or is it actually off22:12
GeneralAntilleseither way, you can't shut it down when the charger is in.22:12
GeneralAntillesIt's off, of course. . . .22:12
penguinbaitno charger in, and off = off22:12
lardmanJaffa: 100 days? ;)22:12
penguinbaitcharger in, and off = on (to some degree)22:12
lcukso what is running if i turn it off with charger in and then pull out charger - is the charging app running but with all screen off?22:12
Jaffalardman: OK, any input into the *start* of the 100 Days and the end of the brainstorm, ends tonight when I shut down :-)22:13
lcukor does it shutdown itself then22:13
befordMy device keeps rebooting at start, if I take the microsd out, it boots normally22:13
lardmanlcuk: it keeps running22:13
penguinbaitbedford, is it boot from SD?22:13
GeneralAntilleslcuk, it'll turn off after you pull the charger.22:13
mgedminI've heard that bad sd cards can cause boot problems22:13
lardmanlcuk: you can tell as you can't flash if you shut down with the charger in, even if you pull it out afterwards22:13
lcukbut without any input or output.  ie no different to when you shutoff without charger.   is there any way to tell if it ever actually goes off?22:13
mgedminbad cards or just badly inserted ones22:13
lardmanGeneralAntilles: I don't think sp22:14
penguinbaitnever seen or heard of that22:14
lcukperfect lardman :) thanks22:14
GeneralAntillesIf you pull the charger when it's in charge mode, the device shuts down.22:14
lcukthats enough to know22:14
befordpenguinbait, the only 'weird' thing I remember havingi nstalled recently is maemo-pc connectivity22:14
penguinbaitI did have my 810 internal card go read-only on me, but it still booted, you just could not install anything22:14
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Jaffapenguinbait: that'll be the partition size issue, I bet22:14
lardmanGeneralAntilles: So if you plugged it in when it was completely off -> charge mode, then unplug and it switches off?22:14
penguinbaitwhat is maemo-pc connectivity22:14
lardmanGeneralAntilles: I've not tried that combo22:14
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GeneralAntillesIt also shuts down if you turn it "off" with the charger plugged in, the pull the charger when it's in charge mode.22:15
GeneralAntillesAt least for me.22:15
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befordpenguinbait, its a development package I believe, it enables a couple of things like remote scratchbox shell, and usb networking22:15
lcukGeneralAntilles, how do you know its off though?22:15
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befordpenguinbait, but when I try to enable usb networking manually, I get a message that says, 'unable to insert module'. going to try to uninstall if and check if that fix it22:16
penguinbaitGA scans it with his mind, and just knows22:16
lcukim only curious cos i cant get mine to turn off and it needs a reboot22:16
lcukim trying to save myself the pop the battery route22:16
penguinbaitI am confused, pull the power cord, and run shutdown -r now22:16
penguinbaitwhats the issue?22:17
lcuksomething has borkened in xv and it wont come back no matter how many actual reboot methods ive tried, i know it will work if i pop the battery because its happened before22:17
lcukmy program and others fail to start (gtk ones)  its resolvable by a proper battery out reboot22:17
lardmanlcuk: you can test by using the flasher tool to do something (do a query on R&D flags for example).22:18
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lcukive got it here, i know something is still not initialized correctly because it wont reboot22:18
GeneralAntillesJust tested it, lcuk, works fine.22:18
GeneralAntillesEntered flashing mode.22:18
lcukive now tried all possible combinations and liqbase fails to start22:19
lcukive popped battery..22:19
lcukand its worked22:20
lcukhmmm hardware?22:20
lcukdont touch it22:22
mgedminbtw my n810's internal card got corrupted again22:22
lcukim thinking lcd - its something in x, some new windows wont open22:22
mgedminhow's xv scaling implemented?22:22
mgedmindoes it use the dsp, some other hardware scaler, or is everything done in sw?22:22
lcuklcd hardware - bits are sent at arbitary resolution prescaled, lcd upscales22:22
lcukprescaled =unscaled22:23
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lcuknm, it works again now22:23
chi800hi, is there a detailed manual for usbcontrol somwhere?22:24
befordok, that didn't work :/ should I reflash it?22:24
penguinbaitwoo hoo, the boss is gone, the work days done22:24
befordhmm after a couple of reboots it starts ok22:25
befordgoing to check if there is anything on messages22:25
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mgedminyou've got syslog?22:26
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befordchecked dmesg, I see a couple of errors that say mmcblk1 I/O error22:30
befordattempt to access beyond end of device22:30
lardman~lart 16bit chars22:31
* infobot executes killall -KILL 16bit chars22:31
* mgedmin cheers22:31
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lardmanhmm, confused myself22:33
lardmantrying to keep some arrays with packed data, and some only filling the bottom halves22:34
chi800i have a usb kb that only needs 50 mA, but usbcontrol doesn't give it a device ID, any ideas on what could be wrong?22:35
lardmanyay, fixed the crc code22:40
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befordis there any way to enable a verbose boot mode or something similar?22:42
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GeneralAntillesframebuffer console22:44
GeneralAntillesYes, but it's mildly involved22:44
GeneralAntillesand I'm not sure of the steps off-hand.22:44
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* Jaffa gets a self-important pleasure at seeing his p.m.o posts go to double-digit favouriting and that it breaks the CSS a tiny bit :-)22:51
GeneralAntillesBugzilla time. ;)22:52
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GeneralAntillesI wish it would keep me logged in at maemo.org22:53
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befordoh, the mmc that is failing seems to be the internal one22:53
befordBuffer I/O error on device mmcb1k0p1, logical block XXX22:54
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dnearyJaffa: Was it you or GeneralAntilles who did the front page? I can't remember now23:20
dnearyAnd I noticed that you are a bit of a templates whizz :)23:20
GeneralAntillesI started it, Jaffa did a lot of a refinement23:21
GeneralAntillesX-Fade did some CSS stuff.23:21
dnearyAh, OK23:21
dnearySo I wasn't quite 100% wrong earlier when I gave you credit for the front page design :)23:21
GeneralAntillesNo, it's my design23:21
GeneralAntillesIt's just been worked on a lot by others, too. ;)23:21
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GeneralAntillesHi, flo_lap.23:23
dnearyYou know, I'm not convinced that templates are approriate for (say) the front page23:24
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dnearyI'm used to seeing them be for things like warnings, headers, footers, but not for actual page content23:25
dnearyIt makes it a bit trickier to figure out where to go to add links to the sections23:25
dnearyWhat do you think?23:25
GeneralAntillesEh, maybe, it's the method wikipedia uses.23:26
GeneralAntillesMakes the code a bit cleaner.23:26
GeneralAntillesI'd say it's up to whomever is doing most of the front page work. ;)23:26
dnearyIf I could find a link to Template:** without having to edit Main_Page, I'd be happier :)23:26
GeneralAntillesMaybe put together a dneary/Front page page with all the front page templates?23:27
GeneralAntillesOr Front page:Templates23:27
GeneralAntillesor something23:27
dnearyGeneralAntilles: Or put the templates in a category?23:28
GeneralAntillesYeah, that's on my list.23:28
GeneralAntillesI should've already been doing that. . .23:28
dneary__HIDDEN_TEMPLATES__, with [[Category:Templates]]23:28
* dneary has also been learning about MediaWiki23:28
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GeneralAntillesThis might be worth bookmarking:
befr0d_Cluster 999603 is unreadable.23:31
befr0d_Cluster 999604 is unreadable.23:31
befr0d_Free cluster summary wrong (999602 vs. really 979122)23:31
befr0d_I just fscked the internal memory, hope that fixes it23:31
GeneralAntillesbefr0d_, did you ever reformat the internal card after getting the N810?23:31
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GeneralAntillesIt ships with an oversized partition table.23:32
GeneralAntillesSo you'll need to remake it.23:32
befr0d_ok so, that's what fsck just fixed, right?23:32
dbbddbdb_What journaling filesystem would you recommend?23:32
dbbddbdb_Are there any general-use filesystems that don't stress the flash by keeping a journal in a single place of a disk and constantly rewriting it?23:32
dnearyGeneralAntilles: Any idea why the Help pages that were there have been removed?23:33
GeneralAntillesWhich help pages?23:33
dnearyHelp, Help:Editing, etc23:33
dnearyMediaWiki syntax & help pages,23:33
dneary(click on Help in the left navigation panel)23:34
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GeneralAntillesMaybe X-Fade accidentally did something when he was messing with the sidebar?23:34
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dnearyI'll ask him tomorrow23:37
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befr0dGeneralAntilles, ok fsck didnt fix the boot problem, how should I create the partition? gparted, whole space vfat type, right?23:38
GeneralAntillesThat should do it, befr0d.23:39
GeneralAntillesdneary, when you do the midgard move, can you have the script append a note to all of the ex-midgard articles? I'm thinking something like to note that it's an ex-midgard article and the syntax may need cleanup to fit with the mediawiki.23:40
GeneralAntillesThat'll give us a list of all the old midgard articles, too, and after somebody cleans it up they can just delete the tag.23:40
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befr0dgparted doesn't recognize the current partition :S23:48
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dnearyGeneralAntilles: Great!23:52
befordNokia should fix the partition problem :P23:52
* lardman gets his hopes up that he's fixed the problem....23:53
AStormbeford: sure they should23:53
AStormit's simple enough to fix23:53
* lardman is thinking of a different problem though23:53
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lardmanhey hrw23:54
befordI hope that's the thing that makes my n810 reboots severals time at start up, i've just repartitioned the internal mmc, gonna see if it work23:54
hrwGeneralAntilles: great work on templates23:54
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AStormbeford: which version of OS2008 do you have?23:55
befordlastest, I had to flash to be able to install skype23:56
lardmanooo, you little beauty :)23:56
AStormbeford: mhm, should work23:56
lardmansbc encoder works :)23:56
* pH5 cheers23:57
pupnik  withdraw your money from the bank today ;)23:57
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