IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2008-06-04

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Maximanderok, so I've done everything on the maemo install instructions... now I want to try to build my application.00:06
Maximanderwhere do I start?00:06
johnxyou're coding an app from scratch?00:07
johnxif so, the maemo hildon tutorial would be a good place to start00:08
MaximanderI have an app, currently running on x86, and I want to cross compile it for my n80000:08
johnxset target to ARM and compile like the same way as on x8600:09
Maximandererrr, inside sb2?00:09
Maximanderso just sb2, ./configure && make ?00:09
johnxsb2 ./configure && sb2 make00:10
johnxshould do it00:10
johnxmost of my experience is with sb100:10
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Maximanderhuh, that was simple. thanks!00:13
johnxworked nicely?00:13
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Maximanderstill compiling...00:14
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summatusmentissb2 is different then OE, right?00:18
summatusmentisit's an emulator for maemo?00:19
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onionsigh, what now..00:20
oniontablet won't boot00:20
oniontaking out the extra flash card made it boot up00:23
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* Jaffa yawns.00:31
summatusmentisdoes anyone know where I can get libxml2juuiiii ?00:31
||cwthat's a lot of i's00:31
summatusmentisyes, it is, which makes me wonder if that's not actually what it's called00:32
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* texel stabs the modest deb00:32
texelIt shouldn't install the menu item with the caption "E-mail"00:33
texelThat's horrible.00:33
summatusmentisis modest the email client built into chinook?00:33
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summatusmentisdoes it work better?00:33
Jaffasummatusmentis: it is the one in diablo, though00:33
texelChinook uses osso-email00:33
texelAhh. Well, that explains it, then.00:33
texelStill. You'd think they'd have a different branch for the Diablo version.00:34
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summatusmentisJaffa: ah, ok00:35
summatusmentisthere's no way to change what a package depends on is there? I'm worried there's a typo in the list dependencies, hence throwing a dependency that doesn't exist00:35
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Jaffatexel: out of all the things "I think they'd have", proper branch/merge policies and/or conditional defines aren't top of the list. :(00:36
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Jaffasummatusmentis: sure, it's possible - what's the package?00:37
summatusmentispython-pygtksourceview depends on libmxl2juuiiii, which I can't find anywhere00:38
summatusmentisand pygtkeditor depends on python-pygtksourceview00:38
* texel shrugs00:39
texelOn one hand, I can understand the want to write software for fun and happiness, and why they'd not have said things. But on the other, it makes me a little concerned about the future maintenance of the code.00:40
* texel shrugs again00:40
summatusmentisJaffa: for instance00:40
Jaffasummatusmentis: checked gronmayer? email the author? fixing it yourself would involve extracted the deb, changing debian/control then re-bundling it.00:41
summatusmentisI'm not sure who the author is, I wasn't sure if there was an easier way to do it00:42
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JaffaShould say the maintainer in the package00:44
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lardmandoes tcpdump exist/work?00:45
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summatusmentisJaffa: emailed the maintainer, we'll see what he says00:51
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lardmannight chaps00:59
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GAN8001Jaffa, hopeful ping.02:27
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dick-richardsonI have no tablet :(02:40
dick-richardsonNokia doesn't have an advanced RMA type set up02:41
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GAN8001What'd you do to it?02:45
GAN8001Anybody else having any success with softpoweroff in Diablo?02:46
dick-richardsonthe touchscreen was going flakey02:48
dick-richardson1 week or so w/o my only mobile computer02:48
GAN8001Touchscreens are the achilles heel of the N8x0s02:51
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dick-richardsonreally is...the capacitive touchscreen used on the ipod touch appears more reliable02:51
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DekaritaeAnyone have a SIP account, or Google Talk with a microphone?02:53
GAN8001Gizmo with rtcomm.02:54
GAN8001I usually just use the speakerphone, though.02:55
GAN8001dick-richardson, meh, can't use a stylus02:55
DekaritaeI want to test out the camera, but GTalk doesn't support it02:55
GAN8001It's not really an issue of the touchscreen technology, but an issue of Nokia not shipping shitty touchscreens.02:55
GAN8001GTalk supports it fine.02:55
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GAN8001Use Gizmo for Tablet-to-PC02:55
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DekaritaeShe has an iBook03:00
DekaritaeAdium or something03:00
GAN8001Yeah, not gonna happen.03:00
GAN8001Gizmo 4 beta isn't out for OS X yet.03:01
DekaritaeThe voice chat works decently, though03:01
GAN8001Yeah, that's fine03:02
GAN8001Video is way behind though.03:02
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DekaritaeI need a good case03:12
DekaritaeI have a Brando leather case for my Zodiac. Need something similar for my N800.03:12
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GAN8001Haha, fantastic:
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guentherwatching the 3d UI interface demo05:24
guentherWith a device that size, and the impressive 3D rendering...05:24
guentherWhy do graphics cards need a cooler, fan, and extra power?05:25
patohnecause they are powerhungry bastards05:27
guentherI was wondering about the off-topic-ish tegra demos...05:28
derfThe latest nVidia boards have as many as 128 processors on them.05:28
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guentherWhich obviously is as good as my laptop.05:28
guentherwith better graphics...05:28
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guentheroh, well, time to call it a night...05:46
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summatusmentisGAN8001: whe you ordered that screen protector, how long did it take to get to your house?06:02
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GAN80014 days?06:06
GAN8001Don't remember06:06
GAN8001Been a while06:06
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summatusmentisI ordered over a week ago, was charged, and then haven't heard anything06:07
summatusmentisnot even a confirmation email06:07
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GAN8001Call 'em, email 'em?06:20
summatusmentisI sent then an email earlier this evening06:21
summatusmentisbut that's just bad service06:21
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GAN8001I've had a few orders with Boxwave and haven't had any toub06:25
NaviMine came in within a few days06:25
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Naviand I picked the cheapest shipping method06:25
summatusmentisthe only thing I can think of is maybe I typed the wrong email address, twice, like a typo, but I doubt it06:26
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somanHi, where can i get libunwind for maemo platform07:02
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somanKotCzarny: is there any pppd application for maemo07:46
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somanhey ,, can anyone tell me how to put the N800 into usb host mode07:58
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Naviyou can use usbcontrol08:00
Navisoman, it's in the repos08:00
somanNavi: do i need to recompile the kernel08:01
somanwhere can i find that usb control08:02
NaviIt's in the repo08:02
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somanok.. if i install usbcontrol from maemo extras.. can it detect the devices08:04
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GAN800soman, USB control doesn't detect anything, it just switches host and client mode in software.08:10
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somanpupnik:  when i tried to compile wvstreams on scratchbox its giving me error.. how to get over this problem.. i think u had tried wvdial on N800..08:32
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johnxbeen there, done that09:35
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opendeepanyone know package_dir of setup() in python09:41
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Mikhoaargh, wasted several hours trying to write a hildon statusbar plugin by following hello-world-app-0.8 instructions and hello-world-app-0.7 source code09:43
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Mikhoit seems a lot of things have changed between 0.7 and 0.809:43
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RST38hMikho: there is a separate tutorial on plugins09:53
RST38hGive me a moment...09:53
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Mikhoyes, that's exactly the tutorial I was reading09:55
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pygihey folks09:55
pygiany way to make PAP available on N810?09:55
Mikhoand I didn't notice the example program v0.7 is totally different from 0.809:55
Mikhoit seems apt-get install hello-world-app installs the 0.709:56
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JaffaMorning, all10:48
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johnxnow I'm officially going crazy. O_o sapwood works fine on debian armel on a qemu armv5tej and on an n800, but not on a zaurus pxa270 (armv5te)10:49
Naviyou are crazy10:50
johnxit's all *exactly* the same binaries and libs10:50
JaffaGAN8001: belated pong10:50
NaviI think he went bye bye10:50
johnxat this point I can't think of anything different between the machines but cache size and kernel10:50
inzjohnx, and the pxa270 has 16bpp dolor depth?10:52
johnxinz, I get the same error if I have it display on the n800's x server or xephyr10:52
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* Jaffa had a nice, formal, possibly over-engineered, bureaucratic, power-crazed brainstorm idea last night.10:53
JaffaNavi: he's a sleep-deprived lunatic, though - so I might get lucky :-)10:53
Navispeaking of sleep deprivation, I should go to sleep10:55
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johnxif anyone wants to look at the strace output and bang their head against a wall, here it is:
johnxI will of course provide any other info I can if someone is interested11:01
AStormjohnx: looks like an invalid instruction11:05
AStormno, you killed it with ctrl+c?11:06
AStormit seems to have been waiting on something11:06
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Italodanceummm someone can help me with now?11:06
Italodanceread my reply11:06
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johnxAStorm, it just sits there displaying a button until killed11:09
johnxit's a demo from the sapwood source tarball11:09
AStormisn't that correct?11:09
AStormit can't load the pixmap for some reason11:10
johnxright, that's correct11:10
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johnxwhat's not working is the display of the pixmap11:10
AStormI think the file is corrupted11:10
johnxit's the same file on both systems11:10
johnxsame binaries/libs/files all the way down in fact11:11
johnxthey're both running debian sid/armel11:11
johnxin fact, the copy on the n800 came *from* the zaurus11:11
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johnxthat "write: bad address" just seems really weird to me...11:13
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johnxit's driving me crazy cause this seems like the last big thing keeping me from getting maemo apps running nicely on a zaurus11:16
AStormit looks like it's some optimization option11:17
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johnxso you mean, maybe I should try a compile with -O0 ?11:28
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Mikhowould somebody know if there are some instructions on how to launch programs to run in the status bar?11:51
AStormit's a system tray11:52
MikhoI made a status bar plugin following the plugin tutorial, but11:52
cy3o3j #asterisk11:52
Mikhoit didn't explain how to get the application running if it's not running already11:52
AStormjust execute it?11:53
AStormwhat are you trying to do?11:53
Mikhothe application is a .so library11:53
AStormthen it's not an application11:54
Mikhoyou can't just execute it11:54
AStormyou made a panel plugin, not an application11:54
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Mikhook, it's a plugin then11:54
Mikhohow do I load the plugin run-time?11:54
AStormthen you enable it in control panel/panels11:54
AStormafter putting it in some dir I forgot11:54
MikhoI wouldn't like to involve the control panel11:57
MikhoId like to allow the user to close the plugin at will, and restart it again from the app manager11:58
AStormthen it's not a plugin11:58
AStormbut an application11:58
AStormwrite one, use tray as usual11:59
AStormor you can make an app call the plugin through e.g. dbus11:59
AStormand cause it to show icon11:59
Mikhowell, I was planning on adding an application which would just restart the plugin12:00
Mikhook, I'll try to call the plugin through dbus12:01
Mikhohas somebody seen instructions for that?12:03
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floriangood morning12:39
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Jaffalo florian12:51
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hrwhi mgedmin  lardman13:12
mgedminthere's a kernel patch that makes fn work on the apple bluetooth keyboard13:12
Mikhocould somebody explain what 'argument1', 'argument2' and 'argument3' mean in And what is event_type?13:13
Mikhoif I send an event to my applet, how do I catch it?13:16
lardmanhi hrw13:18
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lardmanI've released some sbc binaries (output is wrong) to encourage people to look at the code, perhaps ;)13:23
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X-Fade_lardman: So, you hear a nice 'static' hissing sound? :)13:24
lardmanX-Fade_: I've not tried listening yet actually, just looking at the hex dump :)13:25
kevinvermaanyone knows if there is a published Schedule for next upcoming ITOS ?13:25
kevinvermai think one code named Diablo13:25
kulvelardman: well, the hex dump is better any way as the D/A convertors are not that good ;)13:25
X-Fade_kevinverma: When it is done. ;)13:25
kevinvermaX-Fade_, somewhere I can track the status and maybe get to have a qemu image to test look and feel ?13:26
X-Fade_kevinverma: No, nothing has been released yet.13:26
kulvekevinverma: this is not an open source project..13:27
kevinvermaI wonder why is making of ITOS so super secrets13:27
X-Fade_There is a difference between ITOS and maemo, which people don't seem to get.13:27
kevinvermaits really not open-source ?13:27
kevinvermaor its has too many binary blobs ?13:27
kevinvermaor similar13:27
X-Fade_Maemo is the platform. ITOS is the spin of it done by Nokia + branding + closed parts.13:28
kulveX-Fade_: that's probably because the Maemo is very very tighly coupled with the ITOS13:28
jeroin10 points for X-Fade_13:28
kulveMaemo is a platform that doesn't work without ITOS13:28
kevinvermaso maybe there is a Meamo (non-ITOS) spin  of Diablo ?13:28
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kulvekevinverma: nope13:29
X-Fade_kevinverma: Well, just look at what is in the repository?13:29
X-Fade_You can compile all parts that are open and even install them in your chinook based image.13:29
kevinvermaI thought maybe if I could get something to test check in a sandbox environment13:30
kulveX-Fade_: but does one know which will be in diablo? Which version of a some library, e.g.?13:30
kevinvermabtw could Maemo be inspired by Fedora model or say OpenSuse for example ?13:31
kevinvermai.e, develop the free spin first and enterprise it later ?/13:31
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X-Fade_All open parts can be found here:
kulveis those past diablo already?13:32
kevinvermafor example n770 hacker-edition is a great thing that ITOS I will say, but that is not much without binary-blobs even13:33
X-Fade_As for which exact versions. I don't know exactly. You can see commit messages mentioning diablo or fremantle.13:33
X-Fade_Long before fremantle was even announced ;)13:33
kulveso you don't know which is coming to diablo and you thus cannot compile those versions..13:34
kevinvermais Nokia helping on free-ing Maemo from binary blobs yet or even ensuring OGG kind of formats are preferred ones (even by Nokia ISV partners for ITOS)?13:34
X-Fade_kulve: Well, they won't change that much. If you take everything from 3 months ago, you won't be off much?13:34
X-Fade_Some minor versions perhaps, but everything should be compatible.13:34
patohshould be gtk-2.1213:34
kulveX-Fade_: guessing is not the way to go, sorry..13:35
patoh_should_, don't take my word13:35
X-Fade_kulve: I'm not a developer inside nokia. But there is a lot we can ourselves.13:35
X-Fade_Being a deer in the headlights looking but doing nothing is not the way forward :)13:35
kulveX-Fade_: there's also a lot that nokia could do, if they were interested helping in these kind of issues. But they clearly are not13:36
Jaffakevinverma: see13:36
X-Fade_Well, they are. And this is something you should add to the wiki as plan for the future.13:36
* kevinverma opening url13:37
kulvemaemo maintenance branches:
kulvequite fresh13:37
kevinvermaJaffa, "There is currently no text in this page,"13:37
X-Fade_kulve: File a bug? Write to -developers?13:38
hrwkevinverma: drop last /13:38
kevinvermamaybe you wanted to tell me a diff URL , i guess there is one for that topic i noticed soemtime back13:38
Jaffakevinverma: make sure you don't have the trailing slash13:39
kevinvermaJaffa, i could open that url now13:40
kevinvermaJaffa, tell me if Maemo wants to be more of Debian or Ubuntu ?13:40
X-Fade_kevinverma: Read the wiki page for the 100days plan and the 2010 plan.13:41
X-Fade_There is a lot of comments there about that.13:41
kulveX-Fade_: those bugs are not reacted on, so I'm pretty sure I've my bugs reported for now..13:41
kulveI seem to have a bad day today.. Lot's of complaining..13:42
X-Fade_kulve: You haven't been around last month, have you?13:42
kevinvermasure, i'll try to got through this, but if Maemo wants to be Ubuntu then, I have lot to doubt if they be of full free standards (in short)13:42
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X-Fade_Also listen to Quims talk at LinuxTag.13:43
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Jaffakevinverma: short (contradictory versions): Nokia wants maemo to be what the community makes it; Nokia want maemo to be whatever's best for their short-term bottom line.13:44
kevinvermaJaffa, Is Nokia likely to make Maemo a true upstream of ITOS ?13:45
kevinvermaand help Maemo free from binary-blobs for that matter and recognize Free standards as first preference ?13:45
X-Fade_kevinverma: Nokia's goal isn't to make a completely free distribution. But it also doesn't want to prevent people from making this.13:46
kevinvermahelp advocate Free Standards as preference with its market partners too ?13:46
X-Fade_So they are working on getting as much obsticals out of the way.13:47
kevinvermaSo Nokia's goal is merely to make green notes should there be a "period" in the end to this assumption ?13:47
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X-Fade_kevinverma: Can you explain that question, I don't get what you are trying to ask.13:48
kevinvermaI mean to say Nokia's goal is not to promote FOSS , but only yo earn on it13:48
X-Fade_No, please see Quim's statements on this in the talk and in the wiki.13:49
kevinvermai better read that first as you all insist13:49
JaffaNokia's goal is to release a Linux-based, comparatively open, consumer Internet Tablet, AIUI. But as X-Fade_ says, Quim Gil's clarified a lot of this recently.13:49
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lcukFree as in playing exploding beer skittles13:55
hrwhi lcuk13:55
lcukhi folks, im just popping in briefly (was checking mail at home)13:56
* RST38h yawns13:57
RST38hGentlemen, you are missing the point in a typical western kid of way13:57
mgedminwhere can I find diablo's source packages?13:57
lcuki have a slight problem... i apparantly do not have autotools installed on my device (was sure i did), but when i apt-get i get an error about debianutils being wrong, has anyone managed to get autotools running on their device (debianutils cannot be removed with removing all the osso stuff)13:57
mgedminnot found on repository.maemo.org13:57
RST38hwhere one side blames the other for "not advancing open source movement" (sic)13:58
RST38hwhile the other does not understand what this [small] bunch of geeks wants from it13:58
lcukhrw, clutter looks....interesting... to say the least, why havent we got it on maemo properly ;)13:58
RST38hIf both Nokia and you, punks, were Chinese, you would not have this problem at all13:59
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RST38hBoth sides would understand that the goal is to make Nokia profit *while* advancing your petty open source movement in the process13:59
X-Fade_People forget that most opensource development was done by individuals in the past whereas now most projects are mainly run by people employed by companies.13:59
hrwlcuk: clutter require 3d hardware drivers13:59
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lcukor lower resolution display to allow the software implimentation to do things in time14:00
mgedminanother way of saying that is that OS developmen is and always was done by individuals, but previously they had to use their free time, and now they're getting paid for it ;-)14:00
RST38hGetting paid for something implies a few things, you know14:00
RST38hYou have to do what you are paid for and you also have to abide by your legal commitments14:01
X-Fade_mgedmin: yeah, but then you also don't need to complain that companies are planning the future of a project because of there interests..14:01
mgedminyes, the companies found that open source is useful for them14:01
mgedminI'm not complaining14:01
RST38hHasn't "open source" found that companies are useful for it? =014:01
mgedminI think14:01
mgedminRST38h: both, probably14:02
X-Fade_RST38h: Sure.14:02
hrwRST38h: indeed14:03
* hrw do not discuss too much about Nokia related things due to work14:03
lcukill b back later on14:04
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Veggenhrw: Still, to be taken as a serious "open source"-player that attracts more people, it's importing to actually *let* people participate, and know what's going on in the project.14:05
Veggenhrw: Imho, it looks like many people (not all) involved in the NITs hasn't understood that, yet.14:05
X-Fade_Veggen: I don't think we disagree on that ;)14:05
Veggenhrw: ANd part of that is giving the developers freedom to participate.14:06
Veggenand discuss about their work in the open.14:06
X-Fade_Veggen: This is actually one of the discussions that is going on in the wiki.14:06
hrwVeggen: you do not have to tell it for me - I am one of people waiting for opening maemo components14:06
X-Fade_Veggen: I agree that the roadmap of the maemo plaform should be open. The roadmap of ITOS doesn't matter too much.14:07
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X-Fade_ITOS should just be the 'bling' on top :)14:07
hrwX-Fade_: and it is now14:09
hrwX-Fade_: the problem is that maemo without itos is unusable due to lacking components14:09
X-Fade_hrw: Well, apart from the hardware stuff, you already can?14:10
X-Fade_hrw: And I'm sure there will be a solution for the hardware part one day.14:10
kulveno point with platform that cannot be run on any hw14:11
hrwX-Fade_: which hardware part?14:11
X-Fade_hrw: Drivers etc..14:11
kulvemost of the drivers are open14:11
X-Fade_kulve: Yeah but one of the problems is that you can't redistribute the blobs etc.14:12
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X-Fade_So doing your own firmware image is not possible atm.14:12
X-Fade_Well for yourself it is, but redistributing it is not possible.14:12
X-Fade_Unless you write some extractor script that rips it out of the official image like some linux drivers do.14:13
hrwI hope that nokia will put such blobs in initfs14:13
X-Fade_hrw: They are looking into relicensing etc too.14:13
hrwX-Fade_: umac.ko will rather stay like it is14:14
X-Fade_It would be really cool to spin your own firmware.14:14
hrwI hope that if there will be tablet not based on n800 hw then it will contain drivers + firmware blobs14:14
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X-Fade_in initfs you mean?14:15
X-Fade_So you can replace your rootfs without problems?14:15
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X-Fade_I think you really need to request that one. I haven't seen anyone talk about that yet?14:16
hrwX-Fade_: all current tablets use umac.ko which cannot be open so no sense in requesting it14:17
lardmanhrw: you're happy keeping initfs?14:18
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hrwlardman: I can boot directly into my rootfs on each tablet. If I can put licensed files on initfs (to not have them in my rootfs) I am happy to keep it14:20
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hrwlardman: so during boot I can mount initfs and take files from it14:20
lardmanhrw: fine; but wouldn't an extractor feel nicer?14:20
lardmanfeel more open, etc. and from my point of view, less messy14:20
hrwwhich extractor?14:21
X-Fade_lardman: Binary blobs with good APIs are also an option.14:21
lardmanhrw: well yes, that's a stumbling point, but doable14:21
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lardmanX-Fade_: that would be good, but there's still the problem of how to distribute them14:22
X-Fade_lardman: Yeah, you would need to be able to redistribute them.14:22
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lcukOMG! i dropped my 81014:45
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lcuk(it survived though..)14:45
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johnx|zauruswell that's good at least14:45
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lcukyer, i stopped breathing for a time ..14:46
johnx|zaurushandheld tech holds up really well these days14:47
lcukit had to happen sometime though, the keyboard kinda acted like a shock absorber, it all closed up on impact14:47
lcukmy phones arent usually so lucky, they tend to smash apart into little fragments14:48
johnx|zaurusmine always hold up well...but I ted to have lower end durable phones14:49
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lcuki must be taller than you ;)14:50
johnx|zaurusI doubt it actually14:51
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lcukfair enough, i know who to ask when the bulbs need changing and i dont wanna get the ladders14:52
johnx|zaurusyeah, just pay my airfare :D14:52
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* lcuk still doesnt know how to get autoconf and rest of autotools on device14:53
lcukTo continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say".     theres no hope of me ever typing that in with the list of things removed.14:55
lcuk(thats to update debianutils needed for autoconf)14:56
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johnx|zaurusif i were you I would either give up or just unpack the debs to /usr/local14:57
RST38hlcuk: screw 'em14:57
RST38hlcuk: You want a makefile that builds stuff without autoconf?14:57
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lcukyer - if i cant find a solution ill just build the makefile etc in sb later on and copy over to device, its no real hardship, just wondering why i *couldnt* get them installed14:59
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johnx|zaurusthey probably have lots of bashisms15:01
lcukits the version of debianutils thats the hangup, but i cant do anything about that cos it removes basically the whole device15:01
johnx|zaurusI wonder if there's a newer version in diablo...15:02
lcukthere is a serious amount of packages which apt says it will remove, and the warning continue message scared me..15:02
johnx|zaurusit should15:02
johnx|zaurusapt doesn't make threats lightly15:02
lcukyer, made me think thrice15:02
mgedminlcuk: so is the version of debianutils different in SDK and on the device?15:03
mgedminor what's the problem, exactly?15:03
lcukim not sure, i never fired up sb last night to check i had other things on mind15:03
lcukim trying to install autoconf and it has a dep problem with debianutils.   i cant update debianutils without serious impact15:04
summatusmentisjohnx|zaurus: which Z are you on? C1l?15:04
summatusmentisdoesn't the wifi card bother you?15:05
johnx|zaurusi7m just typing on it like a laptop15:06
summatusmentisoh wow... small fingers :-)15:06
lcukso, you're 7 foot tall with fingers like delicate nano threads :P15:06
johnx|zaurusheh...totally not15:07
johnx|zaurusI'm just dextrous :P15:07
johnx|zaurusitbwould annoy the hell out of me if i had to type anything long, though15:08
hrwakita keyboard is not that bad15:09
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hrwbetter to type on it then on n810 one15:09
eerohow one can send a bluetooth file transfer message from N8x0 to Phone?15:09
johnx|zaurusand a nice layout for games, to15:09
hrweero: forget it15:10
hrweero: or use 'obexftp' from command line15:10
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X-Fade_hrw: Wasn't that integrated in the filemanager already?15:10
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X-Fade_I send files to my phone all the time.15:11
eerox-fade: from file manager?15:11
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hrwops - it is there15:11
X-Fade_eero: Yes.15:11
eerogood to know :)15:11
* hrw reverts last sentences15:11
eerotoo simple solution15:11
X-Fade_And even to upnp boxes in the network.15:11
johnx|zaurusyeah, it's like cheating15:12
summatusmentishrw: I'll agree the Cxx00 series keyboards aren't bad, but if you're carrying it around, the wifi card in your palm constantly is annoying15:13
eeroCan I do it from shell?15:13
summatusmentisI liked my C3200 keyboard a lot15:13
johnx|zaurussummatusmentis, I've gotten used to it at this point15:13
lcukback after work :)15:14
johnx|zaurusbut, yeah, it would be nice if it wasn't there15:14
hrwsummatusmentis: keyboard is great, device size suxx15:14
summatusmentishrw: yeah, agreed.15:14
johnx|zaurusand CF wireless sucks too much power15:14
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summatusmentismine would constantly turn on in my pocket, and then die15:15
johnx|zaurusreally easy to hit that power button, but I still like the device overall...15:16
* mgedmin needs to reboot15:16
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herzido you know this problem:15:32
herzidpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot15:32
herziunable to get login information for username "herzi" at /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-debian/lib/dpkg/ line 58.15:32
herzidh_shlibdeps: command returned error code 640015:32
herzimake: *** [binary-arch] Error 115:32
jumpulasb-conf in -e15:33
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herzijumpula: thanks a lot15:37
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jumpulanp :)15:37
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Anunakinyes I has a C3000 and a C3100 .... the keyboard.. is very nice16:00
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Anunakinbut the size... is not for a pocket16:01
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cunikhello everyone.. has anyone met "Header missing skipping one byte" mplayer trouble?16:02
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hrwcunik: file is broken16:04
cunikhrw: seem to me like it does for every video file that works fine on computer.. let me double check this..16:09
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hrhrwhere I can find chinook sdk image for qemu?16:15
hrwyou mean whole system image with scratchbox etc?16:17
hrhrI've gentoo on my laptop and as I see installing scratchbox in to gento is not trivial16:18
hrwthere was one for vmware iirc - check or garage16:18
hrhrI've it16:18
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hrhrvmware image have problems with qemu. It have redused kernel16:23
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hrhrwithout some modules16:23
cunikhrw: so it does... I tried it on video that work fine with mplayer on computer and it does the same error (header missing..)16:23
tank-manisnt it just a script that installs scratchbox?16:24
cunikhrw: I have already tried to remove and install it again (mplayer).. but without any change.. I have also tried to remove all config file.. no way..16:26
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cuniktank-man: yes, there is script, but I think its just for systems that stands on debian..16:27
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tank-mani used it on a slackware setup16:27
tank-manno problems16:27
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summatusmentiswill scratchbox not run under 64 bit systems?16:49
lardmanit will if you have 32bit libs too16:49
lardmanor at least it used to work for me16:49
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lardmanI'm presuming the 32bit libs bit, but it certainly used to run, just the Nokia? installation script wasn't happy to play along16:50
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lardmanlcuk: Got to do some VB work now ;)16:52
lardmanqwerty12: afternoon16:52
qwerty12afternoon lardman16:52
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lardmanqwerty12: You couldn't get the kernel to fit in the allocated space on an N800, it doesn't fit on an N810 either16:52
qwerty12It's the initfs that doesn't fit.16:53
lardmanoh right16:53
lardmanI didn't pay it much attention, was heading for bed16:53
qwerty12I mount it up on my computer and rip out the testserver and repack the initfs.16:53
lardmanah, ok16:53
lardmanis much in the initfs different?16:53
qwerty12In all honesty, no. Some more modules but it just contains more tools for the wimax stuff :/16:54
lardmanah ok, no great loss for me then16:54
lardmanI saw you post something about not being able to get battery levels without a new kernel?16:54
huatsdoes any of you use sb2 to develop ? i don't know why but I have lots of pbs wih it16:54
lardmanhuats: Is that the standard one? If so, yes16:55
qwerty12lardman, jott told me that the new initfs has a newer bme, but the ftd wouldn't work with the chinook bme so I thought that using a diablo initfs with new bme would work.16:55
qwerty12evidently not :/16:55
summatusmentislardman: oh... it might be the installation script? How do I install manually?16:55
lardmansummatusmentis: That I can't really remember, what system are you running?16:56
lardmanqwerty12: ah, I see16:56
huatslardman: not sure if it is the one16:57
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qwerty12Initfs version 2008-22 came out y/day. I need to update my 2008-21 to it :/16:57
huatsthat depends on how you invoke it16:57
summatusmentislardman: it's 64-bit ubuntu under vmware fusion16:57
lardmanhuats: I use whatever is standard for Chinook devel16:57
huatslardman: ok16:57
* qwerty12 hates sb216:58
qwerty12sb1 pwns16:58
lardmansummatusmentis: I think I simply edited the script to not do the check/whetever was failing16:58
qwerty12I think a setarch may work too16:58
lardmansummatusmentis: Otherwise there's always tarballs which you can extract, or debs to install manually16:58
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mgedminhuats: I use sb217:01
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summatusmentislardman: where do I get the .deb files?17:03
fysawhat's the latest all-inclusive super-kernel these days?17:04
lardmanthen to iirc17:05
fysaqwerty12, which kernel are you using these days?  same as in the unionfs thread?17:07
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qwerty12fysa, atm the diablo kernel. But I have made a newer one in the vlc thread at itt but imho, I wouldn't recommend flashing it. I think it contains too much, haven't tested properly.17:08
fysanot using diablo yet, so I will stick with the unionfs thread kernel for now.  thanks.17:09
qwerty12cool :)17:09
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lardmanqwerty12: I'm planning on looking at the data which apgs-ui transfers when I get home17:15
lardmanI wonder if that would just work on a Chinook machine... hmm17:16
qwerty12Nice, I assume your install went well?17:16
lardmanhad to do some forcing, then ran with two desktops for a while until I did a cold reboot17:16
qwerty12That 2 desktop things always happens :/17:17
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qwerty12I think it starts another hildon-desktop17:17
lardmanyeah, at least it leaves the term open somewhere so you can see what's going on :)17:17
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lardmanthanks for your help17:18
qwerty12np, sorry I was unable to come back :/17:18
lardmannp, good for me to use my brain sometimes :)17:18
qwerty12Heh :)17:19
qwerty12~lart cegcc & svn17:19
* infobot hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at cegcc & svn17:19
texelNeh? I take it you're having problems compiling and branching code? =op17:20
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qwerty12I'm trying to checkout the svn of gecc and this is some BIG BIG mofo and I don't have time finish so I shutdown the computer and it wants me to run svn cleanup. That takes ages and fails and then it won't let me carry on again checking out so I have to delete and start again. This is my 5th time now17:21
texelSo don't lart svn -- lart Berkeley/Sleepycat DB.17:22
mgedminsvn kinda sucks like that, rather more often than I would prefer17:22
texellibdbm is... ...worse than painful.17:22
mgedmintexel: isn't this on the client side?17:22
mgedminbdb is great for hosing up the svn repo itself, though17:22
mgedminnever ever use it, if you value your sanity or your data17:23
* texel thought bdb was used on both sides17:23
texelUnless, of course, you use a stable version of it.17:23
* texel snickers17:23
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texelIn which case, you can kiss your data goodbye. =op17:23
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texelmgedmin: okay, I sit corrected.17:25
texel~lart svn17:25
* infobot grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats svn until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with17:25
texelEverybody should use git or hg. =op17:25
mgedminnot bzr?17:26
texelj/k, of course. Right tool for the right job is more of my stand.17:26
* mgedmin waits for the flames to rise17:26
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texelI think too many people are either busy or still asleep.17:26
mgedminI should be too17:27
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lardmanbye hrw|gone17:31
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Italodancehi how are ya qwerty12 :D18:00
qwerty12Hi, I'm fine thanks18:01
Italodancefriend i need ur help please read
qwerty12I dunno, I haven't set up quake 218:02
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Italodanceummm i just saw ur reply and thought u did it18:02
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Italodancethe demo videos can play now?18:02
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* qwerty12 clears my corrupted firefox cache and sighs in relief as the itt home page actually loads with graphics18:07
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GAN800X-Fade, http feed works fine in RSS Feed Reader. Did you ever test the https feed on you device?18:16
X-Fade_GAN800: There the lazy part of me took over ;)18:17
GAN800Tried with Vienna on the https feed and it worked fine. So it seems to be am ITOS issue and an entirely unrelated Safari issue (doesn't work on any rss).18:18
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summatusmentisJaffa: it ended up being a typo in the package deps, he's gonna fix it when he get's his machine back18:19
X-Fade_GAN800: FF3 displays the feed just fine on https.18:19
GAN800Anyway, resolving the bug, may open a new one for the feed reader.18:19
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GAN800You'd figure having the same issue on two different platforma would point to the problem being elsewhere. Weird bit of coincidence.18:22
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GAN800Who called the NITs MIDs on the 100Days page? <_<18:23
qwerty12Get out the pitchforks!18:24
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GAN800Why in the world would you say 'Nokia's MID tablet series' instead of 'Nokia's Internet Tablet series'. . . .18:26
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summatusmentiswhat does MID stand for? I've heard that term before18:27
GAN800Mobile Internet Device18:27
GAN800it's an Intel thing18:27
GAN800It's not non-generic like UMPC18:27
GAN800erm, it is non-generic.18:28
summatusmentisoh right18:28
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texelOne is happy to oblige. =o)18:32
dnearyMe, I called them MIDs18:32
dnearyI copied it from someone else, though18:32
dnearyNot my fault18:32
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summatusmentis:-/ I'm giving boxwave a few more hours, and then I'm calling their customer service people18:37
GAN800Just call now. :P18:38
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qwerty12summatusmentis, If they have a UK division call them and you can have the feeling of calling someone a few hours in the future and without the wait! :p18:39
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Stskeepssummatusmentis: ordering screen protectors? went just fine for me18:41
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summatusmentisGAN800: it's not 10 oclock where they are, I don't think18:43
summatusmentisStskeeps: yeah, I ordered last week, haven't heard anything18:43
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summatusmentiswas charged thursday, but I haven't even gotten a confimation email or something18:43
Stskeepsjust send them a mail - they had pretty instant customer service for me :P18:43
summatusmentisI emailed them last night, haven't heard back18:44
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summatusmentisso unless they hate gmail.com18:44
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texelsummatusmentis: you might check your spam folder.18:45
GAN800Nah, they just hate you. :p18:45
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summatusmentistexel: but I emailed them, why would it get pushed to spam?18:47
summatusmentisand there's nothing in spam18:47
texelMm. Point. =op18:47
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unixSnobAny europeans around?  I'd like to know what the mobile broadband situation is over there.. particularly brussels19:14
unixSnobMy current US-based provider says my unlimited mobile broadband plan will become ~$20/min if I take it to belgium19:15
* qwerty12 managed to get the cegcc from svn! W00T!!!!!!!!!!!!!19:15
texelCongrats, qwerty12!19:17
zapcegcc is gcc for wince?19:17
texelNow comes the real test: will it compile? =o)19:17
qwerty12texel, Thanks, hehe19:17
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qwerty12zap, a cross compiler19:17
zapdo you develop for wince?19:17
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qwerty12texel, I'll leave it for now, got to dig out the old pocket pc :)19:17
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qwerty12zap, no :/19:17
zapwhy you would need it then :)19:17
qwerty12For compiling little bits of code I have stored :)19:18
zapbtw msvc/arm is free afaik19:18
zapI used to compile my stuff with it under linux19:18
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qwerty12Thanks, will check it out19:19
MangoFusioncross compiling with gcc worked rather nicely for me. but then i realized wince development sucks ;)19:21
dnearyFor those who have,n't noticed, is now a Mediawiki, since yesterday. Before then it was a static page, and you had to go to index.php to get the MediaWiki19:27
dnearyMany thanks to X-Fade for the rewrite rules :)19:27
Navi#maemo dance party time19:28
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texelWaahaha! Awesome. =o)19:38
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caesargusthat's an interesting document dneary19:38
dnearycaesargus: The 100Days one?19:39
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dnearyIf you haven't heard before:
caesargusyeah I haven't heard it before ...19:40
dnearyThere's also "maemo in 2010" - a mid-term view of what's needed for maemo19:40
mgedminunixSnob: roaming is expensive...19:41
dnearycaesargus: Those 2 pages are entirely community generated (Quim is following them closely & editing them to keep them from getting hairy, and splitting some things into sub-pages)19:41
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* qwerty12 congratulates maemo for providing libpcap0.8 but without the -dev. Brilliant job!19:42
GAN800Yeah, I'm glad Quim got involved.19:43
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unixSnobmgedmin: yeah, it's certainly a show stopper.  Roaming in normally free to the consumer here in the USA.  Do you know if flat rate unlimited mobile broadband is available in Europe?19:45
mgedminunixSnob: it's not roaming if you stay in a single country!19:46
Maximanderheh, no, here it is.19:46
mgedminat least that's the definition of "roaming" we use over here19:46
mgedminI suppose when the country is big and no single carrier has coverage everywhere, you get roaming too19:46
MaximanderIt's roaming here if you leave your network (att, tmobile, etc)19:46
* mgedmin rethinks his assumptions19:47
unixSnobmgedmin: suppose I stay in belgium (couple years), what's a typical price for unlimited g3?19:47
mgedminno idea, sorry19:47
Maximanderit used to be a bigger issue when we had lots of smaller/local carriers and you could actually leave your network. Now we have 3.19:47
mgedminover here in Lithuania unlimited mobile broadband (at least EDGE/GPRS, not sure about 3G) is about 40 USD/month19:48
Maximanderanyway, maemo question: busybox's ping6 appears to have broken multicast support. Does anyone know how to install the real ping6 from iputils?19:48
unixSnobmgedmin: that's very reasonable.. it's $50 USD in the US19:48
mgedminMaximander: I once ported the real ping to maemo19:48
mgedminnot sure if ping6 was part of that package19:48
qwerty12Maximander, May be easier to dpkg -x the iputils to a folder and move it manually to /usr/bin19:48
MaximanderunixSnob: I get unlimited data over EDGE from Tmo for $35/month19:48
unixSnobMaximander: with legit tethering?19:49
qwerty12You can edit the status file entry for busybox for a horrible hack. I did it once for coreutils install.19:49
glassfinland has unlimited 3g for about 10e/month19:49
unixSnobI've heard unlimited as low as $30, but it involved tethering hacks19:50
unixSnobglass: wow that's very cheap.. never heard of it being that cheap anywhere19:50
glassit's highly country specific19:50
glassunixSnob: it's also really unlimited vs. 5gb/month etc thats sold as unlimited in many countries19:50
unixSnobwell it gives me the feeling that it will probably at least be practical in belgium19:50
MaximanderunixSnob: blackberry service includes unlimited data for tmo, and usb/bluetooth tethering just requires setting gateway to wap.voicestream.com19:51
mgedminunlimited 3G is $36/month here, according to my carrier's website19:51
mgedminhah, "unlimited"19:52
mgedminif you download more than 3 GB per month, they reserve the right to reduce your download speed19:52
mgedminthere's a "PRO" plan that changes this limit to 10 GB per month, but it costs more19:52
unixSnobI just want to be able to hit the ground running.. get mobile broadband the day I arrive in brussels.. so I don't need to wait for a residence and residential service19:53
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unixSnobMaximander: is that under a 1 yr contract?19:53
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unixSnobThe NIT will probably be the key to my survival for the first couple weeks :)19:54
* unixSnob forgot how to use phonebooks and paper maps19:54
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jeroinroaming is when you use various APs20:00
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jeroinyou can't do that with WiFi, but you can with WiMAX, HSDPA, and so on20:00
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Maximanderalso, what is with sh's take on history? I guess busybox wasn't really built for multi-terminal use cases20:03
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Blafaseljeroin: I thought WiFi supports roaming?20:04
BlafaselOr at least something similar, grouping APs to do the same20:04
MaximanderWifi supports seemless handoff between AP's using WDS20:04
Maximanderbut only within one SSID20:04
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jeroinin practice it wont work20:07
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jeroinsome networks do use it; you won't notice it then, but the range is too short to make big networks and you can't use roaming from one to another w/o disconnect20:09
mgedminMaximander: I don't know of any shell that handles history from multiple concurrent sessions nicely20:09
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johnxbash at least handles in-session history ok20:10
johnxash (I guess?) mixes history as it goes20:11
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kulveI made a patch to bb to have separate history as the mixed on is really annoying20:13
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Maximandermgedmin: Bash at least keeps it per-session until logout20:17
mgedminoh?  ash has the feature I want?20:17
jeroinright now my project is to use hamachi + IP-over-DNS to create some kind of static IP which isn't 24/7 but nevertheless it can connect, ofcourse with other options like GPRS or even VoIP... the latter can always give a shell with asterisk think of it if your VoIP to VoIP of your VoIP provider is free (often the case) you can do nifty things with this20:17
mgedminor maybe I don't want it20:17
mgedminI want other sessions to be inserted in my bash history before the beginning of my current session, I suppose20:18
Maximanderwhen I stop a process (or it segfaults *grumble grumble*) I want to hit up arrow and have it start the same task... not what I was working on in another term20:18
mgedminotoh when I open a new gnome-terminal tab, I want to hit up arrow and have it start the same task I had running in my original tab20:18
mgedminthis doesn't happen with bash20:18
mgedminmaybe there's an option?20:18
mgedminwrite out ~/.bash_history after every command20:19
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mgedminpreferably without overwriting other session's history20:19
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Maximandereh, locking problems. Or, if only on new seesion, but then you'd need interprocess communication to tell everyone to flush history on new spawn, but that wouldn't scale well either20:19
mgedminfun fun fun20:20
Maximandera history daemon would work well20:20
mgedminmaybe keep ~/.bash_history.d/$pid20:20
mgedminand merge then on startup20:21
mgedminor, yay, a d-bus history daemon20:21
Maximanderheh, or, even SQL while we're at it20:21
JaffaHmm, dneary's commented on - I'm not sure if he's being facetious.20:21
dnearyJaffa: Not at all20:22
dnearyJaffa: A community council might be useful, but the ideal for me is to have the lines "what is Nokia" and "what is maemo" clearly drawn, so that the community knows where it stands, what's up for grabs, and what's off-topic20:22
Maximanderok, iputils-ping is not ipv6 aware20:22
qwerty12Maximander, ipv6 version of busybox is available20:23
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qwerty12for maemo20:23
Maximanderyeah, it's broken20:23
dnearySeveral times in Berlin, Quim kind of surprised me when he said "that's OT" when it wasn't at all clear to me that was the case20:23
Maximanderfor multicast20:23
dnearyJaffa: Away putting the kids to bed20:24
Maximanderqwerty12: its unicast is fine, but its multicast is... well, it thinks its unicast. I've been told I need the iputils version, and that this is a long standing problem with busybox20:24
mgedminmy understanding is that "" refers to the infrastructure20:24
mgedminso: website, archive builders, repositories, bug trackers, garage, forums, mailing lists, documentation20:25
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mgedminso thinks like "port app X" or "upgrade SDK library Y to version Z" are out of scope20:25
mgedmin* things20:25
Italodance wow that's a new site :D20:25
qwerty12Not really20:26
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ItalodanceX-Fade_ are u still around?20:27
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qwerty12Maximander, ping6 binary: . Compiled in CHINOOK_ARMEL target from iputils_20071127,20:28
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Maximanderqwerty12: thanks20:33
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lardmanAnyone here running Diablo?20:57
lardmantrickie: was it you saying you had some code to "look" at and I offered to do so?20:59
* lardman should remember to not drink all evening20:59
lardmanwhen at LinuxTag that is20:59
lcukdrink all evening, but call their hotel rooms at 6am to ask technical questions ;)21:00
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mgedminhi, shapr21:01
mgedminare you coming to europython this year?21:01
shaprNah, I live in Boston.21:01
lcuklardman, whats your VB assignment then and should I be afraid for my job :P21:02
shaprThat would be too far to travel, I think.21:02
trickielardman: hi21:02
trickielardman: don't think so21:02
lardmanlcuk: ah no, nothing too exciting (though hard to remember it all now): Just doing a quick app to encase an IR camera interface which is written in VB (rather than doing it in C++)21:04
lardmanhard to remember the VB that is21:04
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lardmantrickie: ah, no worries. I'm sure I said to someone that I'd take a look at (or at least try to) the asm of some or other program21:04
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lardmanpH5: ping21:05
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lcukthat reminds me, i should get camera support working in here21:05
lardmanas a note type?21:06
lardmancool :)21:06
lardmangive us code!21:06
lcukim aiming to get all inputs :)21:06
lardmanor at least something to play with :)21:06
lcukif what i am doing now works ill make a proper named app without any cruft21:07
lardmancool, stick it in garage and watch the karma accumulate :)21:07
lcukill keep my playground for myself for now and draw out21:07
lcukthe bits as they are finished21:07
lardmanRight, birthday meal, see you lot later on (probably won't be seeing too straight actually) :D21:09
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lcukive had something rolling around in my head though since ltag, and its this XV->omapfbyv12 conversion.  its gotta take some time and i cant decide whether to just remove it and write directly to fb or stick with xv and have an app which works on many devices21:09
lardman|pubask me later or tomorrow though, got to run now21:10
jotthi folks21:10
lcukits an entire driver/rendering functions21:10
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lcukhi jott :)21:10
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mgedminhm, looks like my hotel overcharged my bank account by 100 EUR21:12
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trickiejott: hi21:14
lcukmgedmin, are you sure - i had a ~€20 drinks bill, but i got them to seperate that, you didnt trash the room did you :P21:15
lcukthey wanted to put it all together at first21:15
mgedminI've got a paper bill here for 485 EUR, but 585 EUR are reserved in my bank account21:16
lcukthats not good then21:16
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summatusmentis"oh... uh... all our paper bills are hand typed, must have been a typo"21:17
mgedminI let the bank know; we'll see what happens21:17
lcukyer as long as you have all documentation i doubt it will be a problem getting it rectified21:17
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* summatusmentis wonders if he should move to europe21:22
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unixSnobsummatusmentis: where would you be moving from?21:31
summatusmentisunixSnob: all purely hypothetical, I live in the US right now21:32
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summatusmentisI'm a college student, so even if it were to happen, it'd be years down the road yet21:33
unixSnobsummatusmentis: as a college student, you could do the exchange program.. that would make everything easy21:34
Italodancefor opening BIN/CUE i should burn it?21:34
unixSnobItalodance: what's the question?21:35
ItalodanceunixSnob hehe just tell me the answer>?21:35
unixSnobItalodance: there is a way to convert those to ISO if you want to check it out mounted before burning21:35
unixSnob(to make sure it's what you want)21:35
summatusmentisunixSnob: yeah, I'm probably gonna study abroad for at least a semester21:36
unixSnobNero handles bin/cue, as well as toast21:36
lcuki recall most virtual drives take bin/cue combos21:36
lcukwithout burning21:36
mgedminItalodance: mplayer can play movies directly from .bin/.cue without burning, iirc21:36
unixSnobsummatusmentis: study abroad where?21:36
ItalodanceunixSnob no it's a game21:36
ItalodanceunixSnob what's this mean? Just extract the archives and burn the .cue file21:37
summatusmentisunixSnob: maybe spain, or japan21:37
Italodancefrom bin? or burn it?21:37
summatusmentisor germany21:37
lcukItalodance, speak to the publisher for information on burning image files for your legit gaming software :)21:37
unixSnobsummatusmentis: well you might hear that japanese like americans.. it's not really true.  Don't let their good hospitality fool you.21:38
summatusmentisdoes anyone like americans these days?21:38
unixSnobSpanish chicks are quite loving though.. go for spain21:38
summatusmentisI just think that Japan would be a cool place to go21:39
lcuki saw a great live dvd at ltag apparantly full of games :)
summatusmentisI speak the language in Spain too :) and it might get me credit enough for a spanish major21:39
unixSnobsummatusmentis: the japanese are the least accepting of other cultures.  They'll pretend to like you, and bad mouth you in japanese21:39
summatusmentiswelll, if I don't understand them, do I care?21:40
Italodancei got it21:41
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unixSnobsummatusmentis: I visited europe after graduating college.. while most of the girls were as prude as americans, the spanish were exceptionally friendly21:49
summatusmentislol, well, I wouldn't be going for wild-sexcapades, although, depending on my relationship status at the time, I wouldn't be opposed either21:50
unixSnobI recall going to some night clubs in spain and ibiza, and the chicks would dance right up against me.. nice and dirty.. good stuff21:50
unixSnobOTOH, if you want to surround yourself with prudes because you want to avoid relationships, go for britain ;)21:51
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I-luv-ITTis ITT down?21:51
summatusmentiswell, I'm in a serious relationship now, and I won't be travelling abroad for a year, so I don't know where I'll be at, at the time :)21:51
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summatusmentisseems to be taking a lot longer than usual penguinbait21:52
penguinbaitI was using it and poof21:53
summatusmentisyep, it just times out for me21:53
lcukso it was you that broke it21:53
penguinbaitI broke itt21:53
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penguinbaitwere the windows in the brick wall?21:59
lcuki would prefer to put the bricks through windows, but i value my monitor22:00
penguinbait<--- used to be a brick layer22:00
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lcukhmm, come and build a nice wall around this computer please22:01
lcukremove its oxygen22:01
penguinbaitif you knock down the wall with your head, I can build a new one22:01
penguinbaitjust steal its power22:02
lcuklog file for me running program is 3.8mb.  i only ran the program for ~10seconds22:05
penguinbaitsounds like my firewall22:06
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penguinbaitwow itt just half loaded all funky22:06
penguinbaitand its back22:07
penguinbaitand itt's back22:07
lcuknormally its well behaved but i just left a log entry in there for every point it reads from file.  the problem is i am loading every point of every stroke of every page ive used my stylus with in the last 3 weeks..22:07
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penguinbaithelp Linus is talking to me, heheh22:23
summatusmentispenguinbait: what? really?22:24
summatusmentisor am I wan confused?22:24
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MangoFusionis this the real Linus, or the virtual one?22:25
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summatusmentisgod! I was wondering why my tablet kept talking to me when I booted it22:33
summatusmentisI forgot that I had install_tools installed22:33
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jeroinand merge then on startup <- which goes first tho22:46
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pH5lardman: pong23:04
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: ping23:19
lcukph5, gone to pub23:19
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JaffaMmmm, pub.23:20
JaffaOne beer with dinner wasn't quite enough. May treat myself to another and watch the Father Ted special on More423:20
lcuksounds fecking reasonable23:22
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penguinbait<---- Bounces quarter into shot glass:  Back at ya!23:25
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JaffaFew favourites on p.m.o on my "Community Council" idea. Any direct comments? Totally out-of-line? Waste of time/effort? Meh?23:30
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lcukwhats pmo though23:34
lcukie where can i read23:35
Jaffalcuk:, hang on let me find a direct link...23:37
zapJaffa: you should have used R/G/B for the vertices23:39
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Jaffazap: a little cliched, and I  enjoyed playing with some Inkscape effects23:42
zapm,y keyboaerd is beroken ghm,m,...23:43
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lcukjaffa :) replied23:50
Jaffata :)23:51
lcukonly making use of my membership :P23:52
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lcuknow onto serious matters: whats all this about the doctor having a bit with his (onscreen) daughter23:54
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JaffaI hope that's referring to "The Doctor's Daughter" from a couple of weeks back; and not a spoiler ;)23:58

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