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| texel | GAN8001: sounds like a capital idea, actually. | 00:06 |
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| texel | There's far too much data in there that's too old or outdated for the newer hardware / software. | 00:07 |
| GAN8001 | Well, you know we're moving to mediawiki, right? | 00:08 |
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| GAN8001 | dneary, Navi and others are working on going through all the old pages from the midgard wiki | 00:08 |
| texel | Ooh. Thought that had happened already. | 00:08 |
| GAN8001 | sorting out the outdated and just plain irrelevant stuff. | 00:08 |
| GAN8001 | No, ongoing | 00:08 |
| * texel nods | 00:08 | |
| GAN8001 | although they should be getting close. | 00:08 |
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| texel | Well, that'll certainly be a huge improvement. | 00:09 |
| texel | And a wiki projects page to prune it occasionally will help as well. | 00:09 |
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| GAN8001 | Anyway, my focus would largely be getting a good framework (templates, categories, etc) up for the mediawiki and moving forward with that | 00:09 |
| GAN8001 | and less so working on the old stuff | 00:09 |
| texel | I know there's been a few places where I've wondered about cleaning up the wiki, but been unsure if others were already doing such a thing. | 00:09 |
| GAN8001 | but we need a good, centralized organization point either way. | 00:10 |
| * texel nods | 00:10 | |
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| GAN8001 | Wwe need all the help we can get. I've been holding off a bit until the migration actually takes place, but after that, it's all out and every extra pair of hands helps. ;) | 00:11 |
| GAN8001 | Especially since the mediawiki is such a fresh-start. | 00:11 |
| GAN8001 | I'd like to see it really take off and not end up wallowing around like we did for two years with midgard. | 00:11 |
| GAN8001 | Basically, though, I wouldn't invest any time into midgard at this point. | 00:13 |
| * texel nods | 00:13 | |
| GAN8001 | Need a good name . . . | 00:14 |
| texel | FixIT | 00:14 |
| Jaffa | GAN8001: good idea | 00:14 |
| GAN8001 | Wiki Action Group - WAG | 00:14 |
| GAN8001 | or Maemo-Wiki Action Group | 00:14 |
| texel | WAG the DOG? =op | 00:15 |
| GAN8001 | hehe | 00:15 |
| texel | No idea what DOG would be. =op | 00:15 |
| GAN8001 | Damn Offtopic Garbage | 00:15 |
| texel | Hahaha | 00:15 |
| texel | Nice. | 00:15 |
| Jaffa | Digital Originated Graphic. No, different context. | 00:16 |
| GAN8001 | Does bugzilla have a userprofile page? | 00:16 |
| texel | Wiki Action Group, the Data Organization Group | 00:16 |
| texel | Bleh | 00:16 |
| GAN8001 | Like: https://garage.maemo.org/users/generalantilles/ | 00:16 |
| texel | GAN8001: I don't think so. | 00:17 |
| texel | user accounts are used rather... ...sparingly in bugzilla. | 00:17 |
| texel | Mostly to track comments and bugs, but that's about it. | 00:17 |
| GAN8001 | I guess I'll just make a search that includes all the bugs I've actioned. | 00:17 |
| GAN8001 | By the way, when's the mediawiki gonna get rolled in with the karma system? | 00:19 |
| Jaffa | I was wondering that, too. | 00:21 |
| GAN8001 | Make your edits as small and numerous as possible to karma whore. ;) :P | 00:21 |
| GAN8001 | "another itT redesign (tablet-friendly) is planned. --Reggie" I hope he gets moving on that soon. | 00:22 |
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| hrw|gone | abiword is for chinook somewhere | 00:24 |
| hrw|gone | ? | 00:24 |
| summatusmentis | I don't think anything native yet, unless it happened today | 00:24 |
| hrw|gone | ok | 00:25 |
| summatusmentis | debian chroot + abiword works well though | 00:26 |
| pupnik | abiword is not a bug plagued disease now? | 00:26 |
| ds3 | !@#$@%@#$@#$#@ poorly designed third party chargers :( | 00:27 |
| GAN8001 | Abiword is around | 00:27 |
| GAN8001 | I don't think there's a binary about, though | 00:27 |
| GAN8001 | You can compile from svn, though, hrw|gone. | 00:27 |
| AStorm | ds3: hmm? | 00:27 |
| AStorm | GAN800: there is a binary in beta tests | 00:27 |
| hrw|gone | GAN8001: thx | 00:27 |
| hrw|gone | bye | 00:27 |
| GAN8001 | AStorm, CLOSED beta. ;) | 00:28 |
| GAN8001 | That's not "about" | 00:28 |
| AStorm | GAN8001: semi-closed - you can register easily ;P | 00:28 |
| AStorm | ds3: all the 3rd party chargers I've seen were too weak for N8x0 | 00:28 |
| ds3 | AStorm: oh I see | 00:28 |
| summatusmentis | Garnet runs on the n810? cool :) | 00:28 |
| AStorm | even the default AC-4e is slightly too weak | 00:28 |
| texel | AStorm: have you tried the cellpod? | 00:29 |
| ds3 | I just got back from a trip with a combo 12V/AC charger and it barely charged the N800 | 00:29 |
| AStorm | N8x0 can grab 800mA itself | 00:29 |
| texel | I use that with my N810 and have had no problems. | 00:29 |
| AStorm | texel: no, what is it? | 00:29 |
| ds3 | by barely I mean, I had to shut it down and let it just charge | 00:29 |
| texel | AStorm: it's a multi-port charger. | 00:29 |
| texel | Lemme see if I can find the URL. | 00:29 |
| AStorm | texel: but, what it's rated at? | 00:29 |
| AStorm | ds3: you had a very weak charger | 00:29 |
| AStorm | even the USB one can charge the device if not used really extensively | 00:30 |
| ds3 | AStorm: do you know if a 5.5V, 1A source will satisfy the N800? | 00:30 |
| ds3 | maybe I ran out of patience | 00:30 |
| texel | Ah. Sorry; it's called the chargepod. http://www.callpod.com/products/chargepod | 00:30 |
| AStorm | ds3: definitely... but 5,5V is a bit high | 00:30 |
| AStorm | drop it slightly | 00:30 |
| GAN8001 | maemowiki or wikimaemo? | 00:30 |
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| Jaffa | maemowiki | 00:30 |
| texel | AStorm: not sure, but I'm able to charge my N810 from dead to full in around a few hours. | 00:30 |
| ds3 | I was draining power faster then it was charging... all I was doing was listening to MP3's on a train with that charger plugged in | 00:30 |
| AStorm | texel: it's a bit weak, 500mA is like USB | 00:31 |
| AStorm | ds3: throw that junk away | 00:31 |
| ds3 | AStorm: Hmmmm interesting... all the 5.0V sources I have tried resulted in a "Not charging" message... but the 5.5V ones did just fine | 00:31 |
| texel | Hm. | 00:31 |
| texel | Ah wel. | 00:31 |
| AStorm | ds3: impossible | 00:31 |
| texel | well* | 00:31 |
| AStorm | probably bad source | 00:31 |
| ds3 | AStorm: well, that charger was compact for traveling | 00:31 |
| AStorm | N8x0 are rated at 5V | 00:31 |
| ds3 | both the 770 and N800 I have along with the Nokia phones did the same thing | 00:32 |
| ds3 | it would see the charger at 5V but then say it is not charging | 00:32 |
| AStorm | probably too low current | 00:32 |
| texel | Uses less power than what multiple chargers do, though -- which is a big win for me, actually. Power out here in .az.us is painfully expensive on SRP. | 00:32 |
| AStorm | and the charger automatic protection circuit fired | 00:32 |
| ds3 | I guess I'll run some experiments then | 00:32 |
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| ds3 | I don't think it is low current.. that same 5V pack charged the treo just fine | 00:33 |
| AStorm | ds3: 300mA-400mA will charge the treo I guess | 00:33 |
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| AStorm | it will barely keep N8x0 running | 00:33 |
| AStorm | I had one such weak charger (heh, my luck with factory plug prompted a few purchases) | 00:34 |
| AStorm | texel: if you can make it use two ports, then you're in a winning situation | 00:34 |
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| AStorm | I'll have to build such a charger some day (for USB) | 00:34 |
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| ds3 | AStorm: it isn't weak AFAIK... this is a Li battery pack with a internal regulator to feed 5V | 00:34 |
| AStorm | ds3: what's the output current rating? | 00:35 |
| AStorm | Li-Ion can't send too much current | 00:35 |
| texel | AStorm: heh -- I haven't tried it yet, but I'm sure it's possible. | 00:35 |
| texel | Trick is finding an adapter for the micro-USB connector. | 00:35 |
| * texel still doesn't understand why Nokia used that... =o/ | 00:35 | |
| AStorm | microUSB? wtf? | 00:36 |
| AStorm | N8x0 aren't charged through USB port | 00:36 |
| texel | AStorm: that's all the N810 has. | 00:36 |
| AStorm | at least, not yet - has that changed with the WiMax edition? | 00:36 |
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| texel | Ahhh -- I misread. | 00:36 |
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| texel | Sorry -- I saw USB and got confused. | 00:36 |
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| texel | No idea about the WiMax edition. O.o | 00:37 |
| AStorm | hopefully Nokia will add USB charging in the next device | 00:37 |
| texel | As long as it's /not/ micro-USB, I'll be happy. =op | 00:38 |
| AStorm | it will be | 00:38 |
| texel | Blah. | 00:38 |
| AStorm | new phones have microUSB too, so... | 00:38 |
| texel | Really? | 00:38 |
| AStorm | they will become more common | 00:38 |
| texel | So then it's not that uncommon. | 00:38 |
| AStorm | yes | 00:38 |
| texel | Just uncommon here in the US. | 00:38 |
| texel | At the moment. | 00:38 |
| AStorm | uncommon yet | 00:38 |
| AStorm | most phones have miniUSB still | 00:38 |
| * texel nods | 00:38 | |
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| AStorm | for extra lulz, I'll get some EE guys to build an RF charger for devices like N8x0 | 00:40 |
| texel | Nice. =o) | 00:40 |
| AStorm | except somewhat dangerous ;P | 00:40 |
| texel | how so? | 00:40 |
| AStorm | and I'm not sure enough power transfer is possible w/o frying everything around (including people) | 00:40 |
| GAN8001 | https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/User:Generalantilles/Sandbox/Wiki_Action_Group | 00:41 |
| texel | Depends on how you build the charger. | 00:41 |
| GAN8001 | I'll move it to a real page as soon as we figure out a name. :P | 00:41 |
| AStorm | texel: indeed, but longer RF are forbidden | 00:41 |
| AStorm | and ultrashort have very short range | 00:41 |
| AStorm | and low penetration | 00:41 |
| texel | Right. | 00:41 |
| GAN8001 | Maybe maemowiki Action Group | 00:41 |
| texel | But you don't need a very long range. | 00:42 |
| AStorm | GAN8001: wikiaddicts ;P | 00:42 |
| AStorm | texel: yeah, some m | 00:42 |
| * texel raises an eyebrow | 00:42 | |
| GAN8001 | AStorm, that'd be for wikipedia. :P | 00:42 |
| texel | Are you talking about broadcast power, as per Tesla's original theories? | 00:42 |
| AStorm | I'll ask someone more experienced if it's feasible | 00:42 |
| AStorm | texel: maybe, maybe not | 00:42 |
| AStorm | there are other, newer ways of power transfer | 00:42 |
| AStorm | although I'm not sure if they've been already implemented | 00:43 |
| texel | AStorm: well, there's already a prototype induction power charger that is essentially a mat on a table. | 00:43 |
| AStorm | induction is simple | 00:43 |
| texel | It's not RF, and not broadcast power, but as long as you have the other half of the coil, you're fine. | 00:43 |
| AStorm | I know how induction charging works, thank you... it'd be nice, but not nice enough | 00:43 |
| texel | Well, broadcast power is tricky. | 00:44 |
| AStorm | need RF or other form of short range broadcast for extra cool factor | 00:44 |
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| texel | You have to be able to broadcast enough to pick up off of the carrier wave... | 00:44 |
| texel | ...but not enough to heat up other materials. =op | 00:44 |
| texel | The original idea was to use a scatter/gather system. | 00:45 |
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| ds3 | AStorm: I don't have it handy but it was meant for powering bigger stuff... event has a 7.5V out connector | 00:45 |
| texel | Which meant /lots/ of antennae over a large area, sampling little bits of the original broadcast. | 00:45 |
| AStorm | ds3: voltage is one thing, current another | 00:45 |
| AStorm | texel: what about resonant induction charging for longer ranges? | 00:45 |
| texel | Hmm... | 00:46 |
| AStorm | feasible for how long range? | 00:46 |
| ds3 | I know... just saying it has all the signs it is built for a decent output | 00:46 |
| ds3 | but based on what you said, I should be able to run an experiment with a 7805 based charger | 00:46 |
| texel | AStorm: feasable, but requires quite a bit more power. | 00:46 |
| AStorm | texel: definitely | 00:46 |
| AStorm | not that whole lot | 00:46 |
| texel | Maybe if you increase the oscillation frequency you might get a bit more range... | 00:46 |
| texel | ...but unfortunately it would become line-of-sight. | 00:46 |
| AStorm | and radio police at my door? ;P | 00:47 |
| texel | Not for induction, really. | 00:47 |
| AStorm | mhm | 00:47 |
| AStorm | well, line of sight is good enough | 00:47 |
| texel | Trick there is that the intensity of the current would be variable based upon the distance from the base coils. | 00:47 |
| texel | No question, it's a /really/ hard problem. | 00:48 |
| AStorm | as long as it's not too large, a good power regulator could do | 00:49 |
| texel | The biggest of the issue is finding the right mix. | 00:49 |
| AStorm | yes | 00:49 |
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| GAN8001 | Jaffa, https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Maemowiki_Action_Group | 00:49 |
| AStorm | N has a good valve power system fortunately, so temporary current fall means little | 00:50 |
| * texel nods | 00:50 | |
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| hans-castorp | hello | 01:01 |
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| hans-castorp | anyone know about parsing xml in python? | 01:07 |
| texel | hans-castorp: you might ask in #python. | 01:08 |
| hans-castorp | a good idea | 01:08 |
| lcuk | GAN8001, running all day without wifi and battery has barely moved ;) | 01:08 |
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| GAN8001 | lcuk, you should get about 10-14 days at 100% idle Mr. I-can't-be-arsed-to-buy-a-real-router. :P | 01:15 |
| GAN8001 | Join the cool club, join MAG! https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Maemowiki_Action_Group | 01:15 |
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| lcuk | well i was just on the login screen and pondering if i had an account | 01:17 |
| GAN8001 | Garage | 01:17 |
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| GAN8001 | It just uses the garage accounts. | 01:18 |
| GAN8001 | Which makes for ugly names, as they're all lowercase. | 01:18 |
| lcuk | hmm | 01:18 |
| lcuk | may 14: from garage: Thank you for registering on the garage web site. You have | 01:18 |
| lcuk | account with username lcuk created for you. | 01:18 |
| lcuk | today on the wiki: Login error: | 01:19 |
| lcuk | There is no user by the name "lcuk". Check your spelling. | 01:19 |
| AStorm | heh | 01:19 |
| AStorm | forgot to activate it? | 01:19 |
| lcuk | can i really mistype my nick that badly? | 01:19 |
| AStorm | 1cuk? | 01:19 |
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| lcuk | ok, rerererecreated account, i had been forgotten | 01:23 |
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| GAN8001 | Poor lcuk. :( | 01:23 |
| lcuk | easily forgotten | 01:23 |
| AStorm | too short nick to remember | 01:24 |
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| Navi | poor kucl | 01:25 |
| Saviq | hmm anyone using roadmap? I can't get it to show anything :/ | 01:25 |
| ds3 | you need to have the base map installed in addition to the area maps | 01:26 |
| Saviq | hmm... that might be something I'm missing... where can I find some info? | 01:26 |
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| ds3 | donno, it was trial and error mostly | 01:27 |
| ds3 | I got far enough to see the maps but couldn't get GPS to work :/ | 01:27 |
| Saviq | how did you install the base map, then? | 01:27 |
| * lcuk is not lcuky | 01:27 | |
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| Mousey | somebody should port wallpaper-tray to maemo | 01:29 |
| Mousey | =( | 01:29 |
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| GAN8001 | Mousey, vote https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3030 | 01:32 |
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| * Mousey votes | 01:33 | |
| ds3 | Saviq: another tarball from the same page on sf.net | 01:33 |
| Saviq | sf.net? | 01:34 |
| Saviq | will try that, thanks | 01:34 |
| ds3 | where are you getting the maps from? | 01:34 |
| ds3 | or are you attempting the OSM stuff? | 01:35 |
| Saviq | yep | 01:35 |
| Saviq | that | 01:35 |
| ds3 | Oh... hmmm FWIW, I am using the TIGER maps | 01:35 |
| Saviq | yeah I'm in europe... | 01:35 |
| ds3 | let me find the page and get you the name of the file to try | 01:36 |
| Saviq | I found it | 01:36 |
| Saviq | http://roadmap.sourceforge.net/maps.html | 01:36 |
| ds3 | I think it was usdir.rdm.tar.gz for me | 01:37 |
| * texel votes | 01:37 | |
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| Mousey | http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/garnet-vm_1.0.1b_ITOS2008.deb | 01:46 |
| AStorm | trial? | 01:46 |
| GAN8001 | Beta | 01:46 |
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| GAN8001 | Free for now. | 01:46 |
| Mousey | mmm, beta | 01:46 |
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| ds3 | GAN8001: has there been an announcement on it being sold eventually? | 01:52 |
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| GAN800 | No, it may remain free forever. I don't know what they're doing with it. | 01:53 |
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| ds3 | ah good, thought i missed an announcement | 01:55 |
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| Mousey | anybody know how to get NavIt or Mapper (not maemo mapper) working on an n810? | 01:57 |
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| AStorm | are these available for ARM? | 01:58 |
| AStorm | *armel | 01:58 |
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| Mousey | u mean me? | 01:58 |
| AStorm | yes | 01:58 |
| Mousey | yea, they install just fine, they're in existing repos for os2008 | 01:58 |
| Mousey | but i can't get either to connect to the internal gps | 01:58 |
| AStorm | hmm | 01:58 |
| AStorm | internal GPS is a bluetooth one | 01:59 |
| Mousey | except no mac | 01:59 |
| Mousey | works with maemo mapper | 01:59 |
| AStorm | at least looks like it | 01:59 |
| Mousey | but the same trick doesn't work on Mapper | 01:59 |
| AStorm | you can try modifying gpsd config | 01:59 |
| Mousey | [which is a fork of maemo mapper] | 01:59 |
| AStorm | or passing the path to gpsd socket | 01:59 |
| GAN800 | I think that has more to do with Maemo Mapper than the way the GPS is set up, AStorm. | 01:59 |
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| lcuk | internal gps works near liverpool | 02:01 |
| lcuk | worked really well actually :D | 02:02 |
| texel | lcuk: should work anywhere, really -- that's the point of the GPS. =op | 02:02 |
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| lcuk | in germany there were 4 of us with 810s and gps locking was shockingly bad | 02:03 |
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| lcuk | in the end we all got a lock, but it must have taken about 20 minutes each minimum | 02:03 |
| Mousey | ok, garnet VM is officially cool | 02:03 |
| Mousey | imho | 02:03 |
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| GAN800 | lcuk, I'm assuming you saw the agps stuff for Diablo, right? | 02:10 |
| lcuk | saw? you mean at ltag?? | 02:11 |
| GAN800 | No, itT | 02:11 |
| lcuk | nope, ive been busy getting real life back in order after 2 weeks of chaos | 02:11 |
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| lcuk | ive barely read any net | 02:12 |
| penguinba | real life is over rated | 02:12 |
| AStorm | definitely | 02:12 |
| GAN800 | Check the Diablo thread, but there's AGPS stuff in Diablo. They're talking sub-30s locks. | 02:12 |
| AStorm | I now have a plain presentation waiting to be spruced up | 02:12 |
| lcuk | nahhh its not - ive just got back from a comedy night with hattie haybridge and norman lovett :) | 02:12 |
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| lcuk | GAN800, :) good - anything will help the frustration we have been feeling | 02:13 |
| lcuk | though tonight for the first time we got lost and were able to use it to get out of a bind | 02:14 |
| Mousey | gan800 so is there some diablo repos i can add and start grabbing that stuff now?! | 02:14 |
| Mousey | or is it hardware specific to hardware taht isn't out yet or soemting | 02:15 |
| GAN8001 | Not sure of the details, but it should get a location either from IP or by you taping your location on a map. | 02:15 |
| GAN8001 | Mousey, you need to get the password | 02:15 |
| GAN8001 | It's in the apt sources | 02:15 |
| Mousey | diablo repos are passworded?! | 02:15 |
| GAN8001 | http://anidel.blogspot.com/2008/05/gps-support-on-n8x0-is-coming-with.html | 02:15 |
| AStorm | blah | 02:15 |
| GAN8001 | It's not out yet, Mousey. | 02:15 |
| Mousey | hmph | 02:16 |
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| GAN8001 | Somebody noticed that the upgrade repo was there (Marius mentioned it worked, and Benson, qwerty12, myself and some others did the upgrade soon after ;)), and upgraded Chinook installs using SSU. | 02:16 |
| lcuk | gan, so if we have home location fixed and known to the system if its switched on as we leave or in near area it will stay | 02:16 |
| GAN8001 | They stopped the leak by passwording the repo | 02:17 |
| Mousey | A-GPS available on other N-Series phones (e.g. N95 with new firmware update,N78, N82) requires packet data channel, MMS or GPRS. WiFi is not supported. N8x0 it is not a phone, how does it get the A-GPS? | 02:17 |
| GAN8001 | But the password is easy to get to. | 02:17 |
| Mousey | luso | 02:17 |
| GAN8001 | lcuk, it gets the location from whatever IP address you're carrying at the moment you try to connect. | 02:17 |
| GAN8001 | From Nokia's server. | 02:17 |
| lcuk | 10.0.0.2 ;) | 02:17 |
| GAN8001 | External | 02:17 |
| GAN8001 | eyeroll. . . . | 02:17 |
| lcuk | and since its not connected to an ip whilst out driving (when its needed) it wont help much... | 02:18 |
| Mousey | ok, that's funny | 02:18 |
| GAN8001 | That's why they have a map you can tap on for when you don't have internet | 02:18 |
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| lcuk | but would it be really difficult to say "here is home, try here first.. | 02:19 |
| GAN8001 | I'm pretty sure you can get assistance with data from a cellphone, too, but not sure on the details with that. | 02:19 |
| GAN8001 | lcuk, that's why you tap the giant map. | 02:19 |
| lcuk | or at least just remember the last location, normally you dont drive hundreds of miles every day | 02:19 |
| t_s_o | hmm, gvm is more fun then first expected... | 02:20 |
| GAN8001 | Having it try potentially false location would increase the lock time by a lot. | 02:20 |
| lcuk | you mean it has NO idea where it might be at the start and i always have to start from the entire world? | 02:20 |
| GAN8001 | Honestly, I don't really know the details very well | 02:20 |
| GAN8001 | lcuk, no, I don't have an N810 | 02:20 |
| lcuk | lol i know, but havign to start from nowhere isnt really assisted, its like playing guess who | 02:20 |
| GAN8001 | I haven't installed the software | 02:20 |
| AStorm | GAN8001: actually, it'd help | 02:20 |
| GAN8001 | I've seen the screenshot, I've seen the descriptions. | 02:21 |
| AStorm | if you place an estimated location | 02:21 |
| AStorm | and the N had cached ephemeris data | 02:21 |
| GAN8001 | AStorm, what I'm saying, is if you tell it to guess you're at home everytime you connect, then that'll increase lock time when you're not at home. | 02:21 |
| AStorm | could try some after fixing | 02:21 |
| GAN8001 | As lcuk suggested. | 02:21 |
| lcuk | that fix time does not sound like agps, it sounds more like its just remembering last location | 02:21 |
| AStorm | what about a click on the map instead? | 02:21 |
| GAN8001 | AStorm, the method that you're talking about is EXACTLY what they do. . . . | 02:22 |
| AStorm | good | 02:22 |
| lcuk | in germany we all walked to a meal getting a lock, got locks, went inside and turned off. on the way back it took just as long to get lock | 02:22 |
| AStorm | that's a real improvement | 02:22 |
| lcuk | if it simply remembered where we were it wouldv been super quick | 02:22 |
| lopz | hi | 02:22 |
| GAN8001 | lcuk, go install Diablo and tell us how it works. | 02:23 |
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| lcuk | why, im just talking through what a logical program should do | 02:24 |
| t_s_o | i wonder why every contacts app i have bumped into seems hell bent on turning two part names on a single line into last name first name comboes... | 02:24 |
| lcuk | because thats the most ocmmon breakdown option? | 02:25 |
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| GAN8001 | Somebody should tell ludovicus that he's duplicating a ton of work. :\ | 02:26 |
| t_s_o | funny enough lcuk, not in my part of the world... | 02:27 |
| lcuk | well ok then, its not totally true and it doesnt work even here all the time | 02:27 |
| t_s_o | now, if they had given me the option to go first name last name or something, i would be quietly happy. but they seem either locked or worse... | 02:27 |
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| GAN8001 | Join up! Join up! https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Maemowiki_Action_Group | 03:02 |
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| GAN8001 | Hrm . . . how should I set up the MAG namespace? | 03:23 |
| GAN8001 | MAG:Topic or Maemowiki Action Group/Topic | 03:24 |
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| AStorm | rename it MAGE ;) | 03:27 |
| GAN800 | e? | 03:27 |
| AStorm | Maemo Action Group of Experts ;P | 03:27 |
| GAN800 | I was thinking mWAG to make things more complicated. :D | 03:27 |
| GAN800 | Ha | 03:27 |
| AStorm | Maemowiki Action Group of Editors, if you will | 03:28 |
| lcuk | offer punch and pie | 03:28 |
| AStorm | punch, I suspect the drink | 03:28 |
| AStorm | not the other kind | 03:29 |
| GAN800 | Free hat! | 03:29 |
| lcuk | yer | 03:29 |
| lcuk | my god im tired | 03:29 |
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| GAN800 | Join my cool group then go to bed. :P | 03:30 |
| lcuk | The only problem I think you have is what do you call yourselfs, I suggest the "Committee for the Liberation and Integration of Terrifying Organisms and their Rehabilitation Into Society". | 03:31 |
| lcuk | more commonly known as CLITORIS | 03:32 |
| lcuk | (sorry, been to a red dwarf comedy evening) | 03:32 |
| AStorm | that's the name of the US jail system | 03:32 |
| n800n | haha | 03:32 |
| AStorm | it's taken | 03:32 |
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| n800n | how many people in the group | 03:36 |
| n800n | you have to have a number after MAG | 03:36 |
| n800n | the badges will look so much cooler | 03:36 |
| AStorm | MAG3 | 03:36 |
| AStorm | like it? | 03:36 |
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| GAN8001 | 1, me, right now, n800n. | 03:37 |
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| beford | wiki maintainers should remove index.php from urls | 03:40 |
| beford | looks ugly :P | 03:40 |
| GAN8001 | Go convince the mediawiki guys. | 03:42 |
| GAN8001 | That's an upstream decision. | 03:43 |
| beford | I followed a guide on mediawiki site, or somewhere else, can't remember right now, and got rid of it | 03:44 |
| Sargun | I wish the n810 had better GPS reception. | 03:44 |
| Sargun | a more powerful processor (not ARM....) | 03:45 |
| GAN8001 | beford, find it and toss it X-Fade's direction, then. | 03:45 |
| GAN8001 | x86 would net you about 2 hours of battery life, Sargun. | 03:45 |
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| GAN8001 | ARM (or MIPS) is really the only reasonable choice in the mobile space. | 03:45 |
| GAN8001 | and Diablo has A-GPS. | 03:45 |
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| Sargun | or less... | 03:48 |
| GAN8001 | Clock for clock, ARM is much more efficient at this point. | 03:48 |
| GAN8001 | Wait for OMAP3 | 03:48 |
| Sargun | ARM has a high cost for context switches | 03:49 |
| Sargun | which translates to a terrible time threading | 03:50 |
| GAN8001 | Let me know when you find an x86 processor that gives decent battery life at these device sizes. ;) | 03:52 |
| Sargun | MIPs | 03:54 |
| Sargun | er | 03:54 |
| Sargun | MIPS | 03:54 |
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| Sargun | hopefully intel figures out the Atom. | 03:54 |
| GAN8001 | They likely will | 03:55 |
| GAN8001 | But I doubt they'll ever really catch up with ARM. | 03:55 |
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| lcuk | hopefully, nvidia figures out the Tegra | 03:59 |
| Sargun | in terms technologically, or market share? | 03:59 |
| GAN8001 | Why Tegra over OMAP? | 03:59 |
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| lcuk | nvidia has ARM + geforce and superior battery performance | 03:59 |
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| GAN8001 | lcuk, you have any real numbers to back that up? :P | 04:00 |
| GAN8001 | That marketing fluff they're dancing around right now? | 04:00 |
| GAN8001 | I don't think so. | 04:00 |
| lcuk | only whats released on their site | 04:00 |
| lcuk | http://www.nvidia.com/page/handheld.html | 04:00 |
| lcuk | just same as atom | 04:00 |
| Navi | meh | 04:00 |
| Navi | in-house numbers are always skewed | 04:01 |
| lcuk | probably, but for the headlines, its damned impressive | 04:01 |
| Sargun | remember Intel made Xscale processors for the longest time. | 04:01 |
| lcuk | basically its full system on chip and very powerful | 04:02 |
| Sargun | Those kicked quite a bit of ass. | 04:02 |
| lcuk | yer and atom will be good as wel | 04:02 |
| GAN8001 | lcuk, exactly the same thing we've got with OMAP. | 04:02 |
| GAN8001 | except TI has actually shipped millions of devices. | 04:02 |
| GAN8001 | Nvidia has shipped exactly NADA | 04:02 |
| lcuk | apart from having a nvidia graphics card | 04:02 |
| lcuk | i have no doubts that TI are good, but something makes me want to cheer on nvidia in the same way I cheer for AMD | 04:03 |
| Navi | What's that? | 04:03 |
| GAN8001 | Yeah, I don't see it. :P | 04:04 |
| Sargun | Did Nvidia even ship a graphics card themselves? | 04:04 |
| GAN8001 | Still, competition is good | 04:04 |
| GAN8001 | No, Sargun. | 04:04 |
| Sargun | I thought they were a mostly IP company? | 04:05 |
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| GAN8001 | and TI has run pretty much unopposed in the high-end ARM SoC realm. | 04:05 |
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| n800n | tegra will kick ass | 04:05 |
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| GAN8001 | n800n, you're basing that on what, exactly? | 04:07 |
| Navi | Fanboy hype? | 04:07 |
| Navi | That's always great. | 04:07 |
| lcuk | n800n, it looks that way :) | 04:07 |
| GAN8001 | Sounds like it to me. | 04:07 |
| GAN8001 | I'll reserve my judgement for once they actually ship a unit. | 04:07 |
| Navi | indeed | 04:07 |
| GAN8001 | For now, it's just so much hot air. | 04:07 |
| lcuk | i like arm, does it matter which brand I buy? its coke v pepsi again :P | 04:07 |
| GAN8001 | lcuk, that's not the point. | 04:08 |
| lcuk | yes it is | 04:08 |
| GAN8001 | The point is overhyped fanboism based on absolutely nothing so far. ;) | 04:08 |
| lcuk | the big companies look to be coming out with amazing things this year. im pretty pleased this market is hotting up | 04:08 |
| Sargun | Are you European? | 04:08 |
| lcuk | yes | 04:08 |
| Sargun | Thought so. | 04:09 |
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| lcuk | x86 is dying, long live 68k ;) | 04:10 |
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| Sargun | lcuk, og, god. | 04:12 |
| GAN8001 | Pfft | 04:12 |
| GAN8001 | ARM11 | 04:12 |
| Sargun | Next you'll tell me that ASM is the next big language. | 04:12 |
| n800n | no offense but nvidia has done some kickass stuff | 04:12 |
| n800n | over a long period of time | 04:12 |
| GAN8001 | n800n, in the mobile realm? | 04:12 |
| n800n | in the processor realm | 04:13 |
| GAN8001 | No offense, but marketing hype is a bad thing to base your judgement on. ;) | 04:15 |
| n800n | and what's being european have anything to do with anything | 04:15 |
| lcuk | GAN, they have been designing/building chipsets and processors for years now - this computer and every one in my house has a nvidia motherboard and nvidia graphics card | 04:15 |
| n800n | heh good strike there | 04:15 |
| n800n | exactly | 04:16 |
| n800n | and it wasn't 15 years ago like intel either | 04:16 |
| n800n | they're still doing it | 04:16 |
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| GAN8001 | Whatever, like I said, I'll pass my judgement when they actually have something more than marketing hype and fanboism to show us. | 04:17 |
| lcuk | they do more work for me than the AMD chip, they are multi core, fucking fast and are very well designed, just because they have a big exterior does not mean the tiny core needs to have all that around it | 04:17 |
| n800n | whatever lcuk you fanboy | 04:17 |
| n800n | you're fanboy | 04:17 |
| n800n | fanboy | 04:17 |
| lcuk | facts :P | 04:17 |
| n800n | just say you're a fanboy | 04:17 |
| n800n | it'll make GAN happy | 04:18 |
| lcuk | i never thought i was until now :) | 04:18 |
| lcuk | its just common sense, they have proven reliability | 04:18 |
| n800n | yup | 04:18 |
| n800n | i see it the same way | 04:18 |
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| lcuk | don't apple macs ship with nvidia graphics now? | 04:22 |
| n800n | google says yes | 04:23 |
| GAN8001 | Both at the moment | 04:23 |
| GAN8001 | and Intel | 04:23 |
| GAN8001 | They alternate back and forth all the time. | 04:23 |
| GAN8001 | ATI in the G4 tower | 04:23 |
| GAN8001 | Nvidia in G5 | 04:23 |
| n800n | they got smart heh | 04:23 |
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| GAN8001 | I've always had much better experience with ATI | 04:24 |
| GAN8001 | Nvidia cards are pretty shitty overall on Mac. | 04:24 |
| lcuk | so, their market has a large portion of the pc market and in the macbooks and lots of other laptops and you say they arent in the mobile market? | 04:24 |
| GAN8001 | I wish I had been smart and gotten the X850 over the 6800 Ultra | 04:24 |
| Navi | Nvidia cards are SHITTY? | 04:24 |
| n800n | i used to love ATI until i got nvidia | 04:24 |
| Navi | IMPOSSIBLE | 04:24 |
| Navi | GTFO GAN8001 | 04:24 |
| n800n | haha | 04:24 |
| n800n | you guys are so off... i dunno exactly what you're using the cards for... | 04:24 |
| GAN8001 | New Mac Pros ship with ATI by default | 04:25 |
| Navi | Nvidia is totally the best, period. There is no such thing as a shitty Nvidia card | 04:25 |
| n800n | but for media production ati is a nightmare | 04:25 |
| lcuk | http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/performance.html | 04:25 |
| lcuk | do they gan? | 04:25 |
| Navi | ATI sucks hands down | 04:25 |
| GAN8001 | n800n, Nvidia drivers don't support rotation. | 04:25 |
| lcuk | MacBook Pro features the color and clarity of NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT graphics with up to 512MB of GDDR3 memory. | 04:25 |
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| lcuk | bollocks | 04:25 |
| n800n | there's 3rd party stuff for any card | 04:25 |
| lcuk | oh, maybe in linux ;) | 04:25 |
| n800n | for rotation | 04:25 |
| lcuk | sorry | 04:25 |
| GAN8001 | Mac Pros, not MacBooks. . . . | 04:26 |
| GAN8001 | The point being, Apple uses both a lot. | 04:26 |
| GAN8001 | The dominance seems to change every generation | 04:26 |
| GAN8001 | So trying to use Apple to "prove" your point is a poor decision. | 04:26 |
| Navi | There's no point that needs proving | 04:26 |
| n800n | ati made mistakes with they're media center software, it was just awful for years and years | 04:26 |
| n800n | their* | 04:26 |
| GAN8001 | Besides, ATI drivers on OS X are consistently better than Nvidia | 04:26 |
| lcuk | heh | 04:27 |
| Navi | ATI sucks. There is no way ATI can be better than Nvidia | 04:27 |
| GAN8001 | This is from direct, personal experience with both products. ;) | 04:27 |
| Sargun | nVidia is better. | 04:27 |
| lcuk | ......The standard graphics card — an ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT with 256MB of GDDR3 memory, PCI Express 2.0, and two dual-link DVI ports —...... | 04:27 |
| n800n | yup | 04:27 |
| Sargun | nVidia > ATI | 04:27 |
| Navi | I don't acknowledge you | 04:27 |
| lcuk | For motion graphics, 3D modeling, rendering, or animation, you’ll need the greater graphics horsepower offered by the NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT with 512MB of GDDR3 memory and latest-generation NVIDIA GPU technology. | 04:27 |
| n800n | haha | 04:27 |
| Sargun | Intel is somewhere between the two. | 04:27 |
| lcuk | hahahahah | 04:27 |
| GAN8001 | lol | 04:27 |
| Sargun | lcuk, or Quadro. | 04:27 |
| GAN8001 | OK, whatever | 04:27 |
| lcuk | thats apple themselves | 04:27 |
| GAN8001 | You guys seem to think I'm arguing that ATI is better than Nvidia | 04:27 |
| lcuk | http://www.apple.com/macpro/technology/graphics.html | 04:27 |
| GAN8001 | Honestly, I could care less which card I get as long as it works. | 04:28 |
| GAN8001 | The point I was TRYING to get across is that making judgements based on marketing alone isn't very helpful. | 04:28 |
| lcuk | not at all, we are trying to show you that nvidia are amazing at what they do and im well impressed by what i see with tegra | 04:28 |
| GAN8001 | I'm really not interested in arguing this. | 04:28 |
| Navi | nVidia sucks | 04:28 |
| Navi | fuck nVidia | 04:28 |
| n800n | who's talking about marketing tho | 04:28 |
| n800n | like it's experience with the product | 04:28 |
| GAN8001 | The Tegra is ALL marketing at the moment. | 04:28 |
| lcuk | but the rest of their product line isnt | 04:29 |
| Navi | The Tegra sucks | 04:29 |
| n800n | haha | 04:29 |
| GAN8001 | More on-topic and less retarded, anybody have good experience with Mediawiki and templates? | 04:29 |
| Navi | The C3 line of VIA processors are better | 04:29 |
| n800n | <Navi> I don't acknowledge you | 04:29 |
| n800n | <Navi> The Tegra sucks | 04:29 |
| lcuk | navi, more open i will give you that | 04:29 |
| n800n | via is kinda exciting too | 04:30 |
| Navi | VIA sucks | 04:30 |
| n800n | hah | 04:30 |
| Navi | I was making a suck to suck comparison | 04:30 |
| Navi | GAN8001, no. | 04:30 |
| lcuk | but arent they the only ones who have opened sourced their graphics drivers | 04:30 |
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| n800n | i think via is really exciting for the embedded processor stuff | 04:31 |
| n800n | at least it's been for a couple years | 04:31 |
| n800n | they're niche-ey tho | 04:31 |
| n800n | like there are a lot of people int car computers / carputers | 04:31 |
| n800n | via is big in that part | 04:32 |
| caesargus | how do I compile a custom kernel for my nokia 770? | 04:36 |
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| summatusmentis | *sigh* | 04:45 |
| summatusmentis | I am le tired | 04:45 |
| Sargun | le tired | 04:48 |
| summatusmentis | yep | 04:48 |
| summatusmentis | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DnZMwKPmsbWE&ei=86JESM6dC5TeigGP0bjqBQ&usg=AFQjCNFct0NgrnEQyvFZ0N3M8p2azCQOEA&sig2=ZjgrAALrPCtB8qdiV_97oA | 04:48 |
| summatusmentis | that's not what I wanted | 04:48 |
| summatusmentis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZMwKPmsbWE | 04:49 |
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| beford | Google's evil url tracking method | 04:50 |
| GAN8001 | summatusmentis, your clipboard slow, too? :P | 04:50 |
| summatusmentis | yeah, for real, geez | 04:50 |
| summatusmentis | GAN8001: no, i right clicked on the link and said "Copy Link Location" from a google search return | 04:51 |
| summatusmentis | and apparently that's what it gives you | 04:51 |
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| summatusmentis | GAN8001: have you tried the garnet VM? | 04:54 |
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| GAN800 | Yes, summatusmentis, it works fine, but I have no need for Palm garbage. ;) | 05:20 |
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| GAN800 | Dubbed shit. | 05:26 |
| GAN800 | wrong channel. | 05:26 |
| summatusmentis | GAN8001: no, I agree... it's just interesting | 05:28 |
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| GAN800 | Yeah, pretty cool. | 05:29 |
| summatusmentis | it'll make my uncle(a hardcore palm user) excited :) | 05:29 |
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| summatusmentis | one-upping him is my goal in life :-P | 05:29 |
| GAN800 | Ha | 05:30 |
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| penguinbait | has anyone noticed any file corruption while downloading files via maemo browser? | 05:37 |
| briand | no... is it subtle? | 05:38 |
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| summatusmentis | penguinbait: only with your files | 05:40 |
| summatusmentis | maemo browser, and firefox on my local machine | 05:40 |
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| pupnik | why is 'wednesday' prononounced 'wendsday'? | 06:22 |
| Navi | Because no one wants to pronounce it wed-nes-day | 06:22 |
| pupnik | i do | 06:23 |
| Navi | I really don't | 06:24 |
| summatusmentis | I sometimes do | 06:24 |
| summatusmentis | when I'm in a weird mood | 06:25 |
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| * Surfer55 Visit http://www.FakeMagazineCover.com (upload pic make mag) - http://www.SillyWebcam.com (play with webcam online) - http://www.Is-A-Jerk.com (insulter/anon email) - http://www.ComedySearchEngine.com (fun) - http://www.BodySwitcher.com (put your face on funny body) - http://www.MedChecker.com (health) - http://www.Canuckster.com (Canada eh) - http://www.Nerdful.com (geeks) | 06:49 | |
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| summatusmentis | ugh... anyone have the previous topic? | 06:50 |
| *** GAN8001 changes topic to "Development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://maemo.org | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook | Quim Gil's talk at LinuxTag http://www.archive.org/details/QuimGil-MaemoLinuxtag2008Update" | 06:53 | |
| lopz | night | 06:58 |
| summatusmentis | GAN8001: thanks | 06:58 |
| summatusmentis | night lopz | 06:58 |
| summatusmentis | 'night all | 07:03 |
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| Sargun | How long until Diabloe? | 10:04 |
| Sargun | er | 10:04 |
| Sargun | Diablo? | 10:04 |
| KotCzarny | till the hell freezes over | 10:05 |
| johnx | Sargun, next couple months maybe? | 10:05 |
| johnx | s/next/within the next/ | 10:05 |
| infobot | johnx meant: Sargun, within the next couple months maybe? | 10:05 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: it had to be 2008 Q2 ;) | 10:05 |
| johnx | alright, so if it isn't out by june 30th, then it's late :) | 10:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:06 |
| Sargun | Hehe. | 10:07 |
| Sargun | its either that or I buy an external GPS receiver | 10:07 |
| johnx | ah | 10:07 |
| johnx | why not try and get yourself setup with the leaked diablo release? | 10:08 |
| towo | Mhm, Mass Effect on the N810. | 10:08 |
| johnx | towo, through vnc? :P | 10:09 |
| Sargun | I've learned that's a bad idea | 10:09 |
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| Sargun | especially as I don't only use my device for fun | 10:10 |
| Sargun | I use it for profit. | 10:10 |
| johnx | how comfortable are you with the linux CLI? | 10:10 |
| towo | johnx: Well, I guess SecuROM would capsize that, shirley. | 10:11 |
| Sargun | very. | 10:11 |
| Sargun | johnx, I'm a Linux sysadmin :-) | 10:11 |
| Sargun | johnx, Why? | 10:12 |
| towo | … well, you could still be a SuSE clickee. ;) | 10:12 |
| Sargun | Nooo. | 10:12 |
| johnx | Sargun, just clone copy of chinook to SD, boot from that and update that to diablo | 10:12 |
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| johnx | no more risk of messing up your install on the internal flash and you can see if the AGPS makes enough of a difference | 10:13 |
| trickie_ | morning | 10:13 |
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| Deka | Oooh | 10:41 |
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| Dekaritae | Just got my first tablet, an N800 | 10:41 |
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| johnx | cool | 10:44 |
| johnx | already updated to the latest OS2008? | 10:44 |
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| Dekaritae | No, the Application Manager can't refresh the package list | 10:48 |
| Dekaritae | I found a few reasons why this might be, will try them when less tired | 10:48 |
| johnx | Nokia doesn't publish updates to the OS through app manager (repositories) yet. If you're still on OS2007, you need to flash to the latest OS2008 release | 10:49 |
| Dekaritae | Oh, I have OS2008, but there are OS updates | 10:50 |
| Dekaritae | With that, it's a dependency issue. Something about python | 10:51 |
| johnx | hmm | 10:51 |
| Jaykie | i guess you mean application updates? :) | 10:53 |
| Dekaritae | Also I can't install from .install files from maemo.org, it hangs while downloading. | 10:53 |
| Jaykie | not OS itself? | 10:53 |
| johnx | You'll want to look at the log in app manager to see which repo is failing to update | 10:54 |
| Dekaritae | Yes. When less tired | 10:54 |
| johnx | fair enough :) | 10:54 |
| Dekaritae | Also I forgot the charging cable when I bought the n800 ($150 on CL), so it's currently charging off my earpiece's AC, at like 100 mAh | 10:55 |
| Dekaritae | My goal for tomorrow is to get Sunrise XP working with FBReader | 10:57 |
| johnx | might be easier to just use cron+wget | 10:58 |
| Dekaritae | I like Sunrise XP | 10:58 |
| johnx | fbreader copes with html | 10:58 |
| tank-man | webhttrack is another option | 10:58 |
| Dekaritae | I already use it with Plucker on my Zodiac, I don't want to change my setup too much | 10:58 |
| Dekaritae | Thinking to have it output the plucker files to an archive folder and then use SyncBack to copy the files to FBReader's library when it detects a card available | 10:59 |
| johnx | seems reasonable, you could just rsync them to your tablet over wireless periodically too | 11:00 |
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| Dekaritae | Nah, I have... issues around that. | 11:01 |
| Dekaritae | My home network is 802.11n because something near here just clobbers b/g signals | 11:01 |
| Dekaritae | I suppose I could try Bluetooth networking from the tablet | 11:02 |
| johnx | if you do, look up maemo-pan | 11:02 |
| Dekaritae | Or build a faraday cage | 11:02 |
| johnx | (IIRC) | 11:02 |
| Dekaritae | Is there an app repository that provides the .deb files for applications? | 11:04 |
| Dekaritae | I can install those | 11:04 |
| johnx | the .install files contain that info | 11:04 |
| johnx | just save and open in a text editor | 11:05 |
| Dekaritae | Well, this one isn't obvious | 11:05 |
| Dekaritae | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/pymaemo/ | 11:05 |
| Dekaritae | I can't figure out where in the directory structure I'd find the binaries | 11:06 |
| Dekaritae | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ | 11:06 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:06 |
| johnx | Dekaritae, yes, then pool/4.0/free | 11:07 |
| Dekaritae | Ahh. I was looking at 4.1 | 11:07 |
| johnx | pool is where .debs live, dist is where indexes live | 11:07 |
| Dekaritae | Yay | 11:07 |
| johnx | 4.0 is chinook, the current release | 11:07 |
| johnx | 4.1 is diablo, the release coming "real soon now" (tm) | 11:08 |
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| Dekaritae | Is that the one with KDE? | 11:08 |
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| huats | moring everyone | 11:09 |
| Mikho | moring | 11:09 |
| Dekaritae | Ok happy now. I think I can fix most of my problems from this | 11:10 |
| johnx | Dekaritae, nah, the KDE thing isn't done by Nokia, it's done by a user here named penguinbait | 11:10 |
| Dekaritae | Ah, oki. | 11:10 |
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| hrw | morning | 11:17 |
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| Italodance | morning hrw :D | 11:19 |
| Italodance | i want some new cool games for my n800 someone knows? | 11:20 |
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| Dekaritae | Italodance: Install the Garnet VM, and get the PDAMill game packs | 11:26 |
| Dekaritae | All their Palm games are now freeware | 11:26 |
| Dekaritae | http://www.pdamill.com/prod_palm.shtml | 11:26 |
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| lardman | morning all | 11:38 |
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| Jaykie | Dekaritae: have you tested those games? how are they working with GVM and which resolution game should i choose? | 11:40 |
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| trickie_ | lardman: howdy | 11:44 |
| hrw | Jaykie: 320x480 ones if possible | 11:46 |
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| Jaykie | ok thx...gotta try it later today | 11:47 |
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| lardman | hey trickie_, hrw | 11:54 |
| hrw | hi lardman | 11:55 |
| hrw | lardman: where you were at Saturday? | 11:55 |
| gomiam | "and... do you have someone who can confirm it?" | 11:55 |
| gomiam | XD | 11:55 |
| lardman | hrw: I was sight seeing | 11:56 |
| hrw | lardman: I have to do it once finally | 11:56 |
| lardman | hrw: I only planned to come for the one day | 11:56 |
| hrw | it was my 3rd trip to berlin | 11:56 |
| lardman | hrw: Holly would have killed me if I'd abandoned her for another day :) plus we had to check in at the airport in the afternoon, so was a short and busy day | 11:56 |
| hrw | ;) | 11:57 |
| lardman | So what happened over the rest of the week? | 11:58 |
| lardman | wiki sprint? | 11:59 |
| trickie_ | nah, that died in the ass | 11:59 |
| * lardman is checking email backlog - was at a wedding all weekend too | 11:59 | |
| hrw | I did not attent wiki sprint - I did not read emails during LT | 11:59 |
| lardman | trickie_: ah well | 11:59 |
| lardman | hrw: nor did I | 11:59 |
| trickie_ | i got there earlyish on friday morn, but not too many bodies around | 11:59 |
| trickie_ | had a chat to dneary about some things | 11:59 |
| trickie_ | but not too much work was done | 11:59 |
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| lardman | interesting post by Josh Soref on 30/05/08 about the bug jar, asking people to tweak their bug reports | 12:00 |
| Italodance | Dekaritae tnx but i want 3D games like hexen duke ........ | 12:07 |
| johnx | Italodance, all the ones I know about are listed on itt or pupnik.de | 12:07 |
| lardman | pupnik: have you put your demo up? | 12:08 |
| lardman | pupnik: whatever you were going to present that is | 12:09 |
| Italodance | johnx http://pupnik.de/pcsx.html wow it's real? | 12:13 |
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| Italodance | pupnik hi are u there/? | 12:15 |
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| lardman | ~seen pupnik | 12:18 |
| infobot | pupnik is currently on #maemo. Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 5h 55m 6s, last said: 'i do'. | 12:18 |
| lardman | :) interesting last words | 12:18 |
| trickie_ | he he | 12:19 |
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| florian | good morning | 12:23 |
| lardman | has anyone done a summary of the LinuxTag talks? | 12:25 |
| lardman | I was thinking of linking to mine from the wiki page | 12:25 |
| Italodance | what's this game http://pupnik.de/GemRB_800x480_XL.jpg ? | 12:26 |
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| lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/musings/ for anyone interested | 12:29 |
| X-Fade | I have some raw voice files of most of the presentations. But it takes a lot of work to get them processed and online. | 12:30 |
| Ave | yay dsp vorbis | 12:31 |
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| Ave | good set of slides | 12:34 |
| Ave | did someone from nokia attend the event and/or comment on the issues? | 12:35 |
| nomis | Ave: Quim Gil was there, Dunno about other Nokia "officials". | 12:36 |
| nomis | there were some other Nokia employees as well. | 12:36 |
| nomis | Ave: and commented a lot. | 12:37 |
| Italodance | Nokia employees are here? who? | 12:37 |
| Ave | on linuxtag 2008 | 12:37 |
| Ave | rather | 12:37 |
| Ave | perhaps here too? | 12:37 |
| * nomis would bet and looks at the nick list | 12:37 | |
| Ave | I tried to install tremor vorbisidec and hell if I saw any cpu usage improvement (didn't) | 12:38 |
| _berto_ | I'll probably upload my slides somewhere sooner or later, but there's not much to see in them :) | 12:38 |
| Ave | still eats around 15..20 accoding to top | 12:38 |
| KotCzarny | ~top | 12:38 |
| infobot | i guess top is not a benchmark | 12:39 |
| Ave | appears not to be | 12:39 |
| nomis | dang, I have troubles mapping nicks to faces again. | 12:39 |
| hrw | nomis: common problem | 12:40 |
| hrw | nomis: it took me two days to notice that jott is jott | 12:40 |
| nomis | I think that I got lardman, but thats easy since he has the same first name as me. | 12:41 |
| jeddy3 | is there any word on bug #1028 (powervr opengl drivers)? | 12:41 |
| jeddy3 | from linuxtag or otherwise at all from nokia? | 12:42 |
| nomis | jeddy3: yeah: The drivers do exist, it is a legal problem to release them, Nokia-Employees want them released and there was mentioned a specific date (I forgot) to make a definitive statement. | 12:42 |
| X-Fade | Kate commented on that a bit in Quim's talk. | 12:43 |
| jeddy3 | nomis, ah nice! as long as there is _something_ :) | 12:43 |
| X-Fade | And they have confirmed that the acceleration actually works. As we were guessing about that too. | 12:43 |
| nomis | X-Fade: were you at Linuxtag? If so, is there a photo of you online? ;) | 12:43 |
| jeddy3 | X-Fade, much more at ease with the issue already :) | 12:44 |
| hrw | and they also told that drivers have lot of bugs | 12:44 |
| X-Fade | nomis: I was the 2nd speaker. The one before Quim's talk. | 12:44 |
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| kulve | Ave: 12-20% is pretty normal for ogg playback with Tremor. With Vorbis, it's 30% or something, iirc | 12:45 |
| nomis | ok, got you :) | 12:45 |
| trickie_ | i think they said a definative statement on powervr before that maemo conference/day in sept... | 12:46 |
| X-Fade | No pictures, I hope? :) | 12:46 |
| nomis | X-Fade: the power of google: http://jaiku.com/image/18/avatar_98518_f.jpg | 12:46 |
| keesj | X-Fade: I did get you on there | 12:46 |
| X-Fade | Ah yes, that one ;) | 12:46 |
| X-Fade | Me in front of the Petronas towers.. | 12:47 |
| Ave | kulve: really? that'd mean that mogg uses tremor as well | 12:48 |
| kulve | Ave: afaik, yes it does | 12:48 |
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| Ave | kulve: turns out I've used your packages but the "internal player" stopped indexing ogg files, sigh.. | 12:49 |
| Ave | on other note, is it possible to use/see vorbis metadata at all? | 12:49 |
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| Ave | youamp does make use of it but I dont know if it uses the metadata crawler stuff at all | 12:49 |
| kulve | Ave: The meta crawler can read some (like 2%) of the meta datas. I don't know why it doesn't read the rest. Nokia doesn't bother to reply to the bugs. | 12:51 |
| Ave | related to utf perhaps? or non-ascii chars | 12:52 |
| Ave | a wild guess | 12:52 |
| kulve | I don't think so as it could show e.g. 1 song from the whole album even if they all contains only ascii. | 12:52 |
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| Italodance | umm is it for Jagged Alliance 2 ? http://www.mininova.org/tor/1234106? | 13:01 |
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| Dekaritae | Italodance: http://www.metaviewsoft.de/en/index.html | 13:02 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: poke, poke.. | 13:02 |
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| Italodance | Dekaritae tnx | 13:02 |
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| Italodance | http://torrentportal.com/details/416105/Jagged+Alliance+2+Gold | 13:05 |
| Italodance | gold can works too? | 13:06 |
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| kpel | hi all | 13:08 |
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| * lardman reads the backlog | 13:18 | |
| lardman | Ave: re Tremor, tremor is better than libvorbis, but then tremor is all that't used so you won't see an improvement | 13:19 |
| lardman | Ave: Bluez, specifically the sbc part had some optimisations which might produce cpu savings | 13:20 |
| lardman | was interesting to hear from Kate that the PowerVR drivers are pretty messy; but at least we know there's no hw limitation that stops them from working :) | 13:21 |
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| mgedmin | hi, lardman | 13:23 |
| lardman | hi mgedmin | 13:23 |
| simboss_ | guys quick question: I have an n800 with os2008, the external mmc should be /dev/mmcblk0 and map to /media/mmc2 by default? | 13:26 |
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| gomiam | nope, it maps to mmc1 | 13:26 |
| gomiam | IIRC | 13:26 |
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| simboss_ | gomiam: that's what I thought, but it does not look like so, I have done sfdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 and it is 2gb more or less, moreover mount -a says that /dev/mmcblk0 is mounted on /media/mmc2 | 13:28 |
| soman | hi,, is Maemo garage is up.. i could and checkout from garage.. it says 403:forbidden | 13:28 |
| gomiam | yeah, mmmcblk0 is mounted on /media/mmc2. But mmcblk0 is the internal slot :-) | 13:28 |
| simboss_ | gomiam: I do not remember how big the internal slot is | 13:29 |
| Ave | lardman: mh ok, I'd be interested in doing some hacking(on N810) come summer | 13:29 |
| X-Fade | soman: What are you trying to do? | 13:29 |
| Ave | currently I'm tied in other er crap | 13:29 |
| X-Fade | soman: It seems to work for me. | 13:30 |
| soman | im want to check out my project trunk | 13:30 |
| mgedmin | simboss_: both SD slots are full-size on a n800 | 13:30 |
| X-Fade | soman: Ok, let me check.. | 13:30 |
| soman | X-Fade: it says "PROPFIND request failed " | 13:30 |
| X-Fade | soman: Which project? | 13:30 |
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| soman | X-Fade: PROPFIND of '/svn/lahiri': 403 Forbidden (https://garage.maemo.org) | 13:31 |
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| lardman | Ave: cool, give me a shout then | 13:31 |
| X-Fade | soman: I see it too. Just a moment. | 13:32 |
| Ave | lardman: will do | 13:32 |
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| X-Fade | soman: Can you try now? | 13:34 |
| X-Fade | Should be fixed. | 13:34 |
| soman | X-Fade: yeah... got it... thanks.. what was the probelm | 13:35 |
| minti_ | X-Fade: yes got it... Thanks | 13:35 |
| X-Fade | soman: We just updated garage and you must have seen this during the switch. | 13:35 |
| X-Fade | minti_: ? | 13:36 |
| soman | yeah,,,. | 13:36 |
| minti_ | i was tring same | 13:36 |
| X-Fade | Ah ;) | 13:36 |
| minti_ | me and soman r woking 2gather | 13:37 |
| minti_ | Thanks | 13:37 |
| soman | X-Fade: Thanks anyway, | 13:37 |
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| X-Fade | No problem. | 13:37 |
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| _berto_ | hi, is the SSL certificate from https://garage.maemo.org/ affected by the debian openssl vulnerability ? | 13:41 |
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| Mikho | would somebody know what these "Compatibility levels before 4 are deprecated" messages mean in the end of the output after running a make deb command? | 13:44 |
| simboss | guys: is it feasible to use anexternal mmc to extend root partition? | 13:44 |
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| mgedmin | Mikho: debhelper | 13:45 |
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| mgedmin | it checks the compatibility level in debian/compat and changes its behaviour to keep compatibility with old packages | 13:46 |
| _berto_ | X-Fade: you there ? | 13:46 |
| Mikho | I see | 13:46 |
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| Mikho | hm, there's no debian/compat file | 13:46 |
| mgedmin | could be that I misremembered | 13:48 |
| mgedmin | or maybe the lack of debian/compat implies level 1, which is certainly before level 4 :-) | 13:49 |
| mgedmin | I'm not an expert in packaging; debhelper's documentation ought to have these things explained | 13:49 |
| Mikho | I | 13:50 |
| Mikho | 'm looking for the documentation atm =) | 13:50 |
| lardman | mgedmin: another thing to add to the "debian packaging for maemo developers" wiki page? ;) | 13:50 |
| Mikho | ah, found | 13:50 |
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| mgedmin | dunno, maybe, in a FAQ section somewhere | 13:51 |
| mgedmin | you don't have to use debhelper in your debian packages; it | 13:51 |
| mgedmin | it's just one of the more popular tools | 13:51 |
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| Mikho | It seems all I need to do is to echo 4 in debian/compat | 13:52 |
| hrw | does not debian/compat obsolete? | 13:54 |
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| Mikho | ah, but now I have to conform to the newest compability level | 13:58 |
| Mikho | rats | 13:58 |
| Dekaritae | Sorry, I have a stupid question. | 13:59 |
| Dekaritae | How do I eject the card in the external SD slot on the n800? | 13:59 |
| mgedmin | open the cover, wait a bit, then pull out the card | 13:59 |
| mgedmin | if you open the cover and get an info popup saying "memory card in use", then DONT'T pull out the card | 14:00 |
| Dekaritae | Ok. How do I pull it out? | 14:00 |
| mgedmin | IIRC there's no "now safe to remove memory card" popup... | 14:00 |
| mgedmin | ah, that | 14:00 |
| mgedmin | grow a long fingernail | 14:00 |
| mgedmin | there's no spring :( | 14:00 |
| Dekaritae | vafanculo | 14:00 |
| Dekaritae | Card was a microSD adaptor, lacking the inset edge | 14:03 |
| mgedmin | whee | 14:04 |
| Dekaritae | New card is better, yay | 14:04 |
| Dekaritae | NCIX has a sale on | 14:04 |
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| Dekaritae | http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=26213 | 14:04 |
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| mgedmin | mmm, 16 gb | 14:06 |
| Dekaritae | mmm, 32 gb | 14:07 |
| mgedmin | what??? | 14:07 |
| mgedmin | where! | 14:07 |
| mgedmin | WANT! | 14:07 |
| Dekaritae | Er. I bought two. | 14:07 |
| mgedmin | aaah | 14:07 |
| mgedmin | darn, n810 has only a minisd slot | 14:07 |
| lcuk | superglue | 14:07 |
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| Dekaritae | lcuk: I may move one back into my Zodiac once dmitry releases his Palm SDHC driver | 14:08 |
| lcuk | well before that you could move one into my device :) i pwomise ill return it when you need it ;) | 14:08 |
| lcuk | i feel inadequate with my 1gb card | 14:09 |
| Ave | dont worry, it's how you use it | 14:09 |
| Dekaritae | You should. I fould one in my cereal the other day | 14:09 |
| lcuk | well 2.5mb of it has been used for sketches :) thats quite a healthy amount of home made data | 14:10 |
| Ave | I got 4gb minisd for relatively cheap the other day.. | 14:10 |
| Ave | sdhc even | 14:10 |
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| lcuk | i needed an adapter thing, and the 1gb was all i could find, now i have it when i replace ill just get a bigger micro one | 14:11 |
| nomis | yeah, 16 EUR at (german) Amazon. Class 6. | 14:11 |
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| nomis | ah, micro sdhc btw. I got some micro->mini adapters on Ebay. | 14:12 |
| lardman | I bought a micro sdhc 4Gb (Sandisk) and had to buy another micro 1Gb (Kingston) to get a decent micro->mini adaptor | 14:13 |
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| Ave | whats with the micro hoola, why not just get mini directly? | 14:15 |
| Ave | more expensive? | 14:15 |
| mgedmin | portability | 14:15 |
| Ave | hm ok yeah, mini is quire rare | 14:15 |
| mgedmin | you can put micro sds in devices that accept full sds, mini sds and micro sds | 14:16 |
| aquatix | lardman: i bought some micro-mini adapters at dealextreme | 14:22 |
| aquatix | really cheap | 14:22 |
| aquatix | and work fine with my 8GB microsd | 14:22 |
| aquatix | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.7184 | 14:24 |
| lardman | we need a list of which adaptors are know to work/or not | 14:28 |
| mgedmin | are there any that don't work? | 14:31 |
| mgedmin | the adapters are just plastic things with metal conductors, right? | 14:31 |
| mgedmin | how can they not work? | 14:31 |
| gomiam | mgedmin: they might go on strike | 14:32 |
| gomiam | ;-) | 14:32 |
| hrw | Ave: and miniSD are harder to get then microSD | 14:34 |
| shapr | Is microSD the 'smaller than fingernail' sized cards? | 14:35 |
| * shapr checks wikipedia | 14:35 | |
| glass | yes | 14:35 |
| glass | aka transflash as earlier name before becoming sd standard or something like that.. | 14:36 |
| hrw | depends on size of finger | 14:36 |
| gomiam | XD | 14:36 |
| lardman | mgedmin: sandisk ones don't work | 14:36 |
| lardman | mgedmin: I also questioned why/how some might not work; I've no idea, but might do an autopsy of my non-working sandisk one and see if there's anything else in there | 14:37 |
| X-Fade | lardman: I have a sandisk. Works fine. | 14:37 |
| lardman | X-Fade: hmm | 14:37 |
| lardman | X-Fade: I was just going from the comments in the bugtracker | 14:38 |
| lardman | I can't remember the bug # off the top of my head | 14:38 |
| lardman | bbiam | 14:38 |
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| RST38h | Europeans and other potential enemies of the US are to be forced to deposit their personal details on the Department of Homeland Securitys computer system 72 hours before they get anywhere near the place. | 14:53 |
| shapr | And US Citizens get thrown out of Europe :-( | 14:53 |
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| RST38h | Really? =) | 14:53 |
| soman | X-Fade: can you help me where can i get wvdial package for maemo... | 14:54 |
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| Jaffa | Wow, #303 has had an internal alias assigned to it. W00t! | 14:59 |
| X-Fade | Heh, my hotel room for LinuxTag was #303 ;) | 14:59 |
| RST38h | what is bug #303? | 15:00 |
| mgedmin | 24 hour clock | 15:00 |
| Sargun | Yay! | 15:00 |
| Sargun | I need a ntp clock too | 15:00 |
| mgedmin | yes pls | 15:00 |
| mgedmin | or at least a gps clock | 15:00 |
| Sargun | or the clock should fscking pull from GPS | 15:00 |
| Sargun | ditto. | 15:01 |
| Sargun | yeah. | 15:01 |
| mgedmin | AND DON'T KEEP THE TIME WHEN I SWITCH TIMEZONES | 15:01 |
| mgedmin | grr! | 15:01 |
| mgedmin | stupid | 15:01 |
| mgedmin | if it's 3 pm, and I change the timezone, it means I traveled somewhere else where it is NOT 3 pm right now | 15:01 |
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| Jaffa | mgedmin: Gotta love the "UI spec" | 15:02 |
| RST38h | Given how screwed up GPS is, I would vote for NTP | 15:02 |
| mgedmin | both | 15:02 |
| RST38h | BTW, changing GPS approximate location when changing time zone may be a good idea | 15:03 |
| X-Fade | I don't think you need a fix to get GPS time. | 15:03 |
| RST38h | Why have a separate app when you can tie things to that clock map | 15:03 |
| mgedmin | how about also changing the timezone when you get a GPS fix? | 15:04 |
| mgedmin | the database could be tricky... | 15:04 |
| Sargun | mgedmin, they already have a db... | 15:05 |
| mgedmin | oh, do they? | 15:05 |
| andre___ | Jaffa: the internal alias for #303 doesn't mean that much. in fact the internal bug is closed | 15:05 |
| mgedmin | I don't think it's enough to find the closest city and take that timezone; you could be on the other side of a border | 15:06 |
| andre___ | Jaffa, but it seems there's some progress for fremantle to get #303 fixed. | 15:06 |
| andre___ | i'm just trying to clean up and add aliases wherever it makes sense to me to easier track things | 15:07 |
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| Jaffa | andre___: ok, thanks for the info. Any chance that kind of stuff could end up in Bugzilla? (Not that I don't appreciate being told it somehow ;-)) | 15:08 |
| Jaffa | All part of the "working in the open" idea | 15:08 |
| andre___ | Jaffa, it's on my "nags to do" list | 15:08 |
| soman | Where can i find wvdial for maemo | 15:08 |
| lardman | mgedmin: hear hear to the changing time zones one :) | 15:08 |
| Jaffa | andre___: cool | 15:09 |
| andre___ | Jaffa: well, i of course also want openness whenever possible. if there's nothing secret with a bug it doesn't make sense to me at all to handle it in the internal bugtracker | 15:09 |
| * mgedmin searches for a bug number | 15:09 | |
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| andre___ | Jaffa, but this also means that the workflows of some people will have to change, and that will be the interesting and tough task | 15:09 |
| mgedmin | what, no bug? | 15:09 |
| lardman | RST38h: lots of location things we could do once we see whether Diablo allows us to talk to the chipset | 15:09 |
| mgedmin | nobody reported it? | 15:09 |
| mgedmin | waah | 15:09 |
| andre___ | file me a bug :) | 15:10 |
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| * mgedmin takes the opportunity to comment that #1139 was fixed by the opera -> microb switch | 15:12 | |
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| mgedmin | andre___: here you are: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3214 | 15:17 |
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| andre___ | mgedmin, ah thanks! and feel free to close #1139 as wontfix or something like that :) | 15:18 |
| mgedmin | I think I'll let timeless have the pleasure of doing that | 15:18 |
| herwood | hi | 15:18 |
| andre___ | haha, or /me, ok :) | 15:19 |
| RST38h | lardman: it will not | 15:20 |
| RST38h | lardman: you don't need to wait for this information | 15:20 |
| RST38h | lardman: what you will see is an approximate user-selected location stored somewhere in the filesystem | 15:20 |
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| herwood | does anybody know where can I find osso-log.h -file? | 15:27 |
| mgedmin | google? | 15:27 |
| mgedmin | no | 15:27 |
| herwood | yeah, I tried, but didn't find the header file | 15:27 |
| herwood | which package is it possibly in? | 15:28 |
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| RST38h | her: http://www.google.com/codesearch?q=osso-log.h&hl=en&btnG=Search+Code | 15:28 |
| mgedmin | we need packages.maemo.org, just like packages.debian.org and packages.ubuntu.org | 15:28 |
| mgedmin | anyone want to add that to the 100days wiki? | 15:28 |
| red-zack | noone needs ubuntu.packages | 15:28 |
| red-zack | ^^ | 15:28 |
| herwood | RST38h: thanks | 15:28 |
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| RST38h | mgedmin: have you tried going to packages.maemo.org in your browser? | 15:29 |
| herwood | I suppose that I just can't use google.. :( | 15:29 |
| mgedmin | heh, guess :-) | 15:29 |
| RST38h | herwood: try nightly human sacrifice | 15:29 |
| mgedmin | it doesn't have a search by filename | 15:29 |
| mgedmin | on the front page | 15:29 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: I have already proposed this at the 100Days page and was told by Quim Gil to go do it myself | 15:30 |
| mgedmin | yay | 15:30 |
| RST38h | mgdemin: Nokia isn't very interested | 15:30 |
| RST38h | mgdemin: Anyway, I have got a UI mockup done and started writing PERL code that fetches package lists from repos | 15:31 |
| mgedmin | the open-source mentality: "send us a patch" | 15:31 |
| RST38h | If you want to help, let me know | 15:31 |
| * mgedmin shuffles his feet | 15:31 | |
| RST38h | No, it is not the patch thing, they are just not interested in package aggregators | 15:31 |
| * lcuk sends mgedmin a H.R.T patch | 15:31 | |
| herwood | this google's code search is pretty useful | 15:32 |
| herwood | I haven't heard from it before now.. | 15:32 |
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| lcuk | if you use normal google to search for code related things (identifiers, apis etc) then code search is normally included in the first page by default | 15:33 |
| herwood | hmm | 15:34 |
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| zapppp | where I should start if I want to write desktop plugins? are there python bindings for this purpose or is C the only way to do these? | 15:35 |
| lcuk | i come across it a lot of the time when i am searching - its not all the time and i cant think of a specific to doing it, but it annoys me because it gives .tar.gz file links instead of the single source file | 15:35 |
| lcuk | http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=SDL_WM_SetCaption&btnG=Search&hl=en&sa=2 | 15:36 |
| lcuk | that gives it.. | 15:36 |
| RST38h | zappp: tutorial at maemo.orfg | 15:37 |
| RST38h | better not use python for them though =) | 15:37 |
| lcuk | oooh and they have fixed the file linkage thing as well | 15:37 |
| zapppp | RST38h ok, thanks | 15:38 |
| soman | where to get wvstreams library for scratchbox | 15:38 |
| inz | zapppp, there are python bindings, but I would say go for native C plugin anyway | 15:39 |
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| mgedmin | andre___: what would you say is the correct product & component for filing a bug about the sqlite3 source package in maemo? | 15:45 |
| mgedmin | development platform/tools? | 15:45 |
| andre___ | hmm, i'd think so | 15:47 |
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| minti_ | i am installing libqt4 package using apt-get install inside scratchbox it says broken package... | 16:06 |
| minti_ | how can install the same | 16:06 |
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| lopz | hi | 17:00 |
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| andre___ | hi | 17:02 |
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| GAN800 | I'm ao tired of applications not doing what I tell them to. | 17:04 |
| GAN800 | MicroB shouldn't pull focus from another application two or three times when it's in the background. | 17:04 |
| GAN800 | I shouldn't have to press the fullscreen button two or three times to get it to stick. | 17:05 |
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| GAN800 | The Application Manu shouldn't become state-retarded when the RSS applet is on. | 17:06 |
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| GAN800 | s/Manu/Menu/ | 17:06 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: The Application Menu shouldn't become state-retarded when the RSS applet is on. | 17:06 |
| hrw | the maemo should not suxx so much etc? | 17:06 |
| GAN800 | dneary, how much closer are we to the wiki move? :p | 17:08 |
| Jaffa | GAN800: agreed on all those points. | 17:08 |
| Jaffa | JavaScript/refreshing web apps seem the worst for microb stealing focus | 17:08 |
| * GAN800 should probably file a couple more bugs for MicroB, anyway. | 17:09 | |
| GAN800 | Applications stealing focus is spmething that pisses me off on most all platforms. If I want an application in front, I'll out it there, thanks. It's just worse with Matchbox | 17:10 |
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| GAN800 | #2797 has caused no end of grief. Nice to see there might be some progress at some point. | 17:14 |
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| GAN800 | Howdy, johnx | 17:16 |
| johnx | hi | 17:16 |
| GAN800 | Still no planet. . . . | 17:17 |
| johnx | p.m.o? it's available from a subdir on m.o | 17:18 |
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| GAN800 | That's not my point. :P | 17:18 |
| johnx | kinda figured :P | 17:19 |
| GAN800 | lot of people have planet.maemo.org as their maemo.org bookmark and assume the whole site is down when that doesn't worl. | 17:21 |
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| johnx | yeah, I should actually just change my bookmark at this point | 17:21 |
| johnx | I've been assuming it will be fixed "any day now" for the last week or so... | 17:21 |
| GAN800 | There's a bug, it's being worked on. | 17:22 |
| GAN800 | ISP IP stupidity or somesuch. | 17:22 |
| johnx | Nokia needs to *shoot* whoever is the ISP for maemo.org and the firmware host... | 17:23 |
| dneary | GAN800Let me get my breath back from last week :) We will be switching definitively before the end of the week | 17:23 |
| dneary | I'm still snowed under with paperwork | 17:23 |
| GAN800 | johnx, sipposedly improvements are coming. | 17:24 |
| * GAN800 shovels recycled newspapers onto dneary. | 17:24 | |
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| GAN800 | Hrm, 22-8 is out, where's my guinea pig? | 17:25 |
| johnx | sure, I'll give it a shot | 17:25 |
| hrw | dneary, GAN800: what do we do with installation instructions? I wrote ones when new wiki was started and now all I could find was that ugly one from old wiki | 17:25 |
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| johnx | installation instructions for what now? | 17:26 |
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| hrw | 'how to flash nokia under linux/windows/osx' | 17:27 |
| hrw | those ones | 17:27 |
| GAN800 | hrw, check 'my contributions'. Personally, I'm waiting until after the move to really get to work. | 17:27 |
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| hrw | ok | 17:27 |
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| johnx | GAN800, installs, boots | 17:31 |
| johnx | want me to test something? | 17:32 |
| GAN800 | nah, just that. ;) | 17:32 |
| johnx | ah, and e-mail works fine | 17:32 |
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| GAN800 | johnx, think I can rope you into updating the version number for Modest (22-1) on wikipedia while I'm going down for this thing? :p | 17:34 |
| Italodance | GREAT NEW ITALODANCE CDM : DJ_Torny_Feat_Marco-Now_Until_Forever-(ARC_055)-WEB-2008-eMF :D cheers! | 17:35 |
| johnx | GAN800, sure | 17:35 |
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| pupnik | Italodance: pcsx emulator runs but is unplayably slow. the picture is from 'Baldur's Gate II' | 17:36 |
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| Italodance | hi pupnik how are ya? :ö | 17:38 |
| Italodance | :D | 17:38 |
| * qwerty12 knew trying to use svn in windows would suck. off to reboot into linux. yes, i'm a troll that comes for one second and goes. and comes back. | 17:38 | |
| pupnik | ok | 17:38 |
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| Italodance | pupnik 'Baldur's Gate II'is really a good game any chance for run? | 17:38 |
| pupnik | the GemRB engine to play Bioware games is not finished. Leveling-Up is not yet implemented. Channel #gemrb to find out more. | 17:40 |
| Italodance | pupnik btw which version is for Jagged Alliance 2 ? Gold Edition? | 17:40 |
| mgedmin | good article about one of the ways open source works: http://bryceharrington.org/drupal/node/52 | 17:42 |
| pupnik | I am checking Italodance | 17:42 |
| glass | psx baldurs gate is a hack'em'up action game, no? | 17:43 |
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| johnx | GAN800, someone already beat me to putting the new modest version in it appears. O_o | 17:43 |
| GAN800 | cool | 17:43 |
| johnx | well, also it wasn't updated I guess. still 22-1 | 17:43 |
| RST38h | All righty, I have made a script that takes a list of repositories and sucks all the package information from them | 17:44 |
| RST38h | Anybody has a machien with MySQL that I could use? =) | 17:44 |
| Italodance | pupnik tnx pupnik :D | 17:44 |
| johnx | RST38h, machine with SQL? you've got a tablet, right? | 17:44 |
| johnx | :P | 17:45 |
| GAN800 | Ha, or just me making a typo on the lasy version, johnx. :D | 17:45 |
| johnx | awesome | 17:45 |
| johnx | GA wins while failing | 17:45 |
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| GAN800 | except for the date. :p | 17:46 |
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| Italodance | WB qwerty12 ;) | 17:47 |
| pupnik | Italodance: apparently CyberCat on ITT forums is running the 'gold' version. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16138&page=5 Also see http://ja2.dragonriders.de/install.html | 17:47 |
| qwerty12 | Italodance, hello :) | 17:47 |
| Italodance | pupnik thank u again is it full screen and also with DEMOs ? | 17:47 |
| pupnik | yes there is a demo version. fullscreen works too | 17:48 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/software.html | 17:48 |
| Italodance | :D | 17:48 |
| GAN800 | Hehe, itTSS is getting as bad a reception on the 100 Days as anywhere else. | 17:48 |
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| RST38h | johnx: this is not going to work on a tablet | 17:50 |
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| GAN800 | To those of you who didn't see my spam last night: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemowiki_Action_Group | 17:50 |
| johnx | RST38h, I was just kidding, actually :P | 17:51 |
| lardman | lcuk: Where's your note taking app, I'm salivating at the thought of playing with it :) | 17:52 |
| hrw | lardman: not only you | 17:53 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, lcuk, release early, release often! | 17:53 |
| hrw | release | 17:53 |
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| hrw | I can package it | 17:53 |
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| RST38h | So, anybody willing to let me use a MySQL server? =) | 17:55 |
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| jeroin | yes, for 5 EUR a day | 17:56 |
| RST38h | Oh well | 17:56 |
| lardman | RST38h: I just saw your comment about the user defined location, good good | 17:57 |
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| johnx | RST38h, why not talk to gronmayer? | 17:57 |
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| RST38h | lardman: which one? | 17:57 |
| RST38h | johnx: Well, I do not know Gronmayer personally | 17:57 |
| RST38h | And anyway, it only took 30 minutes to throw together a crawler in PERL | 17:58 |
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| johnx | just saying he might be interested... | 17:58 |
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| lardman | RST38h: about the AGPS | 17:58 |
| GAN800 | RSS feed for recentchanges on maemowiki gives me 'Unable to add feed. Address invalid.' | 17:59 |
| RST38h | lardman: ah, that one... | 17:59 |
| RST38h | johnx: I am kind of pessimistic on collaboration of this kind | 17:59 |
| RST38h | johnx: Most people hgave their own agendas so they do not generally give a fuck | 18:00 |
| hrw | RST38h: use sqlite? | 18:00 |
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| RST38h | hrw: I have full blown mysql installed on Komkon, but am kind of afraid to enable it | 18:00 |
| johnx | RST38h, anyways, what does your script do? generate a nice web page with package name and description? | 18:01 |
| RST38h | The machine serves a lot of people and mysql may make it unsafe and/or harm performance | 18:01 |
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| RST38h | johnx: Ideally - keeps a list of repos in the database. Scans these repos regularly, downloads package lists and stores them in the database. Gives you a nice tablet-browsable interfaces that let you search download and install any package from any repository | 18:02 |
| andre____ | GAN800, file bugs (website component)! ;-) | 18:02 |
| RST38h | johnx: Kind of like an uber-AppManager (without keeping track of installed packages of course) | 18:02 |
| johnx | does it generate a .install file too? | 18:03 |
| RST38h | It will | 18:03 |
| GAN800 | Aw, andre___, but I wanted to poke X-Fade directly. :( :p | 18:03 |
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| andre____ | GAN800, that's also a possibility of course :) | 18:04 |
| andre____ | i just want things to get handled. don't really care about the path taken to get it fixed actually :-P | 18:04 |
| GAN800 | and I also wanted to get a more meaningful error message from a real computer, but will do. ;) | 18:04 |
| qwerty12 | Computer says no. | 18:05 |
| johnx | RST38h, I'll think about it. I have a webhost with SQL, but I really don't have much space or bandwidth to play with | 18:05 |
| Italodance | pupnik are you still around? | 18:07 |
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| mgedmin | and to think that we had the opportunity to get lcuk drunk, steal his n810, and copy the source code for his magic program... | 18:15 |
| mgedmin | and we didn't think of it in time | 18:15 |
| qwerty12 | heh | 18:15 |
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| hrw | RST38h: look at http://openzaurus.org/feed-browser/ | 18:17 |
| hrw | RST38h: it is php based, can fetch remote repositories and extract data from it | 18:17 |
| hrw | RST38h: source is in OpenEmbedded metadata | 18:18 |
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| RST38h | hrw: yep | 18:31 |
| RST38h | hrw: has anyone tried using it on maemo so far? | 18:31 |
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| hrw | RST38h: no, but amount of changes would not be too big probably | 18:32 |
| keesj | uber app manager that manage pesonal repotyroties for users? | 18:33 |
| keesj | gwt based? | 18:33 |
| RST38h | what is gwt? | 18:33 |
| keesj | hkjkdfas | 18:33 |
| keesj | google widget toolkit | 18:33 |
| RST38h | keesj <-- obviously using n810 "keyboard" | 18:33 |
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| dougt | does anyone know much about the gps on the n810? is calling gps_open() enough to get thing started up? right not gps_open() against the localhost and default port is returning null. | 18:34 |
| RST38h | no, I am also just using PHP, same as openembedded thing | 18:34 |
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| lcuk | to all those folks who want my program, please pay me gazillions of dollar/euro/pounds etc and i will sing the code at the next mic i see ;) | 18:43 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Will you use pulse modulation? | 18:44 |
| qwerty12 | nah, the Manchurian accent would put me off | 18:44 |
| GAN800 | Bad open source citizen. :p | 18:44 |
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| RST38h | citizen of WHAT? =) | 18:44 |
| johnx | Maemoland maybe? | 18:45 |
| GAN800 | Open source. ;) | 18:45 |
| lcuk | not at all gan, it costs a lot of money to have singing lessons and for all the beer i will need before doing public anything again | 18:45 |
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| RST38h | Is that imaginary country Bruce Perens lives in? | 18:45 |
| mic | sing me the code lcuk | 18:45 |
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| RST38h | [and Eric Raymond too] | 18:46 |
| lardman | dneary: was it you or X-Fade who was asking me if I was going to blog about my presentation? | 18:46 |
| lardman | either way, I've put some notes up: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/musings/blog_notes.txt | 18:46 |
| * qwerty12 wishes ff 3 did word wrap | 18:47 | |
| lardman | qwerty12: I just noticed that, sorry | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | "There is the obvious problem that someone will remove the legal warning, " - *cough* done *cough* | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | For chinook and diablo versions :p | 18:48 |
| jeroin | this works with navicore btw http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~peterb/linux/fakeif/ great if you ever are lost in the woods ;) | 18:48 |
| lardman | qwerty12: indeed, but it's not the sort of thing to make Nokia happy about it all | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | emjayes has a script that spoofs the mac on each startup of the Map app | 18:48 |
| jeroin | macchanger yes, but i rather keep my mac address the same | 18:49 |
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| jeroin | lol i remember flexlm on SGI worked similar | 18:49 |
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| qwerty12 | lardman, I think it's incredibly stupid. My Pocket PC doesn't do it. Hell, even a Cybiko Extreme I had once didn't do it. I don't mind seeing the warning once but repeatedly just pisses me off. | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | So if Nokia don't like it, not my problem ;) | 18:50 |
| inz | lardman, why does it say "open it up and let us play" about application manager? | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | (I thank Nokia for providing source btw) | 18:50 |
| lardman | qwerty12: yes, I understand, but I can also see if from Nokia's point of view - it's not our software, if it's rubbish don't blame us, etc. | 18:50 |
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| lardman | inz: true, we have that now don't we | 18:51 |
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| inz | lardman, for quite a while | 18:51 |
| johnx | an "I understand, now never show me this message again" checkbox would be nice... | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | agreed | 18:51 |
| jeroin | repetition is good to convince someone about your argument | 18:52 |
| jeroin | repetition is good to convince someone about your argument | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | really? | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | really? | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | or rule of 3 | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | really, really, really? | 18:52 |
| hrw | bye all | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | bye | 18:52 |
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| lardman | inz: I lose track of what's been released and when | 18:52 |
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| lardman | hrw|gone: c u | 18:52 |
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| dneary | lardman: Me | 18:53 |
| dneary | lardman: Thanks! | 18:53 |
| jeroin | Argumentum ad nauseam... but it works;) | 18:53 |
| johnx | right, which is why the new Windows UAC is such a resounding success with security critics... | 18:53 |
| jeroin | or, some kind of mode where you're on your own (like the pill mode) | 18:54 |
| jeroin | well, UAC just shifts the blame to the user, as does sudo ;) | 18:54 |
| jeroin | UAC was inspired by sudo i'm pretty sure;) | 18:54 |
| GAN800 | Yes, lardman, that was mine. ;) https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3103 | 18:55 |
| WorkingOnWise | UAC was inspired by my naggy 10yo niece | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | I'm still not sure what policykit does for me what I couldn't do myself by typing in root password. | 18:55 |
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| johnx | WorkingOnWise, nah, she'd get tired of asking eventually I bet | 18:55 |
| WorkingOnWise | oh god O wish it were true johnx! The kid makes the energizer bunny look like a dud! | 18:56 |
| qwerty12 | GAN800, Will vote. Those images look sexy. | 18:56 |
| jeroin | great imrpvoement | 18:56 |
| GAN800 | qwerty12, there's a thread on the devel list that's rather optimistic to go with that bug. | 18:57 |
| johnx | ++ to tree and column | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | GAN800, Thanks, I'll check out the "archives" later :) | 18:57 |
| lardman | GAN800: ok, changed, thanks | 18:57 |
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| GAN8001 | GAN800 == GeneralAntilles. | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | OMG | 18:58 |
| lardman | and GAN8001 != GAN800 ? | 18:58 |
| SDuensin | GAN8001 == Lucky Newton Owner :-P | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | I thought you were Gangster Arnold | 18:59 |
| lardman | ~lart irc nicks | 18:59 |
| * infobot gives irc nicks an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending irc nicks to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple | 18:59 | |
| lardman | ;) | 18:59 |
| GAN8001 | GAN8001 == GeneralAntilles's G4 tower. ;) I've got the clones out in force this week. | 18:59 |
| GAN8001 | Would be using my proxy, but Comcast is being retarded. | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | Meh, UK isps are retarded. Most of them throttle my torrents :(. Much faster using my RS premium :/ | 19:00 |
| GAN8001 | Ha | 19:00 |
| GAN8001 | Comcast is the worst for everything. | 19:00 |
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| johnx | they were actually decent to me a year ago...guess I fled at just the right time | 19:01 |
| jeroin | rent a server, torrent there, download from there, no need for upload;0 | 19:01 |
| qwerty12 | I'm sorry, but something here makes me laugh: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/zapys/ ... | 19:01 |
| GAN8001 | jeroin, yeah, if you've got the cash to throw around. ;) | 19:03 |
| qwerty12 | Which you don't if you use torrents :p | 19:03 |
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| qwerty12 | goddam, cegcc = longest svn checkout ever. still counting... | 19:03 |
| WorkingOnWise | oh oh oh..where can I find jpilot ported to the Nxxx series? I checked the threads on ITT but after 298,098 posts, I think they are all about jpilot on the desktop.... | 19:03 |
| jeroin | well its not my problem anyway but if it were i'd def find a way around it hehe | 19:05 |
| qwerty12 | My friend gave me a way, a RS premium... :p | 19:05 |
| jeroin | here cable competes pretty well with dsl telcos, for the time being that is | 19:05 |
| dougt | lardman: ping? | 19:08 |
| lardman | dougt: pong | 19:09 |
| dougt | hey lardman. been searching maemo irc log. you were doing some stuff with gps. got a sec? or can I send you an email? | 19:10 |
| lardman | dougt: ask away | 19:10 |
| dougt | on the n810, i would like to use the gps, but couldn't figure out how to enable the gps programmatically. I was looking for the mapping application, but it just seams to open /dev/pgps. | 19:11 |
| dougt | how do you setup the internal gps on the n810, is probably the specific q. | 19:12 |
| lardman | I think it's handled by libgpsmgr | 19:12 |
| dougt | via dbus? | 19:12 |
| lardman | I don't know the specifics of what libgpsmgr does after you call it, but it's open source iirc | 19:13 |
| lardman | I think maemo-mapper uses this technique too, as to use the internal gps you select a BT connection but put no ID (name?) number in | 19:13 |
| dougt | yeah, i am just not sure If your suppose to call it directly or use dbus. | 19:13 |
| lardman | link to libgpsmgr | 19:14 |
| dougt | call gpsmgr_start() or whatever. | 19:14 |
| dougt | i will give that a shot. | 19:14 |
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| lardman | take a look at maemo mapper too, specifically what happens when you use BT but don't put a MAC/ID whatever number in | 19:15 |
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| lardman | There was also some gps-logger test code somewhere wasn't there? Anyone have a link to that? | 19:16 |
| kulve | liblocation is the easiest API to use the GPS | 19:19 |
| kulve | assuming one is using glib | 19:19 |
| mgedmin | there are two libs: libgpsmgr and libgpsbt | 19:20 |
| kulve | dougt: hilite ^ | 19:20 |
| mgedmin | I think one of those wraps the other | 19:20 |
| kulve | mgedmin: liblocation uses them | 19:20 |
| kulve | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_connectivity_guide.html#Location | 19:20 |
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| dougt | kulve: that is great. | 19:21 |
| dougt | i am going to give that a try. | 19:21 |
| kulve | I've used it. It's very easy and quite convenient | 19:21 |
| dougt | (and on a side note, does the acquisition time on this device just really suck?) | 19:21 |
| kulve | not very detailed though but it's enough for most normal applications | 19:21 |
| kulve | dougt: yes | 19:21 |
| kulve | dougt: somebody claimed that the next sw version has AGPS so that might improve the situation a lot | 19:22 |
| dougt | wifi->location would be tons faster. | 19:22 |
| qwerty111 | It does have agps | 19:22 |
| qwerty111 | I've posted a pic of the app in the diablo therad | 19:22 |
| qwerty111 | *thread | 19:22 |
| kulve | qwerty111: yeah, I guess I was referring to you with my "somebody" ;) | 19:22 |
| lardman | qwerty111: how do you give it a location? | 19:22 |
| qwerty111 | lardman, just tap a point on the map | 19:23 |
| qwerty111 | I guess to your nearest city | 19:23 |
| lardman | the normal map app, or a larger scale one? | 19:23 |
| * lardman looks for the thread | 19:23 | |
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| lardman | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17727&highlight=diablo&page=65 | 19:24 |
| dougt | kulve: what package is location in? | 19:24 |
| kulve | liblocation-dev? | 19:25 |
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| kulve | yep, that and liblocation0 | 19:26 |
| lardman | qwerty111: it would be interesting to see whether the conversation that app has with the (presumably) supl server is more than a send location, receive almanac+ephemeris job | 19:27 |
| lardman | qwerty111: as I'm not sure how accurate one can be with tapping, and was wondering whether the supl server then uses any fragmentary data the chipset can send it to produce a quicker/more accurate fix | 19:28 |
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| qwerty111 | lardman, I know nothing about the specifics :/. I removed it after taking that screenie, I only have N800 | 19:28 |
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| qwerty111 | Svn sucks. | 19:28 |
| lardman | qwerty111: ah, not to worry | 19:28 |
| lardman | I might have to try un upgrade myself then | 19:29 |
| lardman | s/un/an | 19:29 |
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| jldiaz | hello | 19:34 |
| jldiaz | any recommendation for a good calendar for maemo? | 19:34 |
| * mgedmin wants to know too | 19:35 | |
| johnx | I like dates, but it's pretty minimal | 19:35 |
| mgedmin | the development of Dates seems to have stopped | 19:35 |
| johnx | gpe-calendar seems pretty complete and usable | 19:35 |
| kulve | sorry, finnish only: http://www.hs.fi/talous/artikkeli/Nokialta+ensi+vuonna+Linux-älypuhelimia/1135236882376 | 19:35 |
| jldiaz | in particular, I would like to synchronize with google calendar, and being able to consult my appointments offline | 19:35 |
| jldiaz | I tried dates, and liked it too | 19:36 |
| mgedmin | dates can do that, I think | 19:36 |
| jldiaz | it allows to import ical format | 19:36 |
| johnx | might want to look at mcalendar then for google calendar sync | 19:36 |
| mgedmin | no recurring events, iirc | 19:36 |
| jldiaz | but I would like to automate somewhat the process | 19:36 |
| jldiaz | kind of "on wlan up, download my calendars from google and update the local calendar" | 19:37 |
| qwerty111 | dbus-scripts lets you run programs on connection | 19:37 |
| jldiaz | I don't mind to write myself this synchronization tool, but I would require a calendar app which could be scriptable, | 19:37 |
| mgedmin | is /etc/ifup.d/ used on maemo? | 19:37 |
| mgedmin | err, /etc/networking/ifup.d/ | 19:38 |
| jldiaz | yes, qwerty111, I was thinking of that | 19:38 |
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| jldiaz | I write a python script which registers itself for notification on wlan up | 19:38 |
| qwerty111 | mgedmin, don't think so. icd2 doesn't use /etc/network/interfaces at least. | 19:38 |
| jldiaz | and downloads the calendars from google | 19:38 |
| jldiaz | but I need a local calendar application which I can command from python | 19:38 |
| jldiaz | so I can tell it: "take the calendar files at /home/user/blah, and import them" | 19:39 |
| jldiaz | from a python script | 19:39 |
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| jldiaz | my first tough was to patch dates | 19:40 |
| jldiaz | adding this functionality | 19:40 |
| jldiaz | however, I'm unable to compile dates in the scratchbox | 19:40 |
| jldiaz | it requires a "libecal" which i can't found | 19:40 |
| jldiaz | so, I'm thinking now in gpe-calendar, but apt-get install gives a huge list of prerequisites, and scared me | 19:41 |
| jldiaz | mmm... | 19:41 |
| jldiaz | I'm ever considering to use remind, the command-line tool | 19:41 |
| jldiaz | is it ported to maemo? | 19:42 |
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| GAN800 | On the note of the Application category view, if anybody wants more mockups, those were fun, so I'd be willing to do more (or take requests). | 19:42 |
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| mgedmin | search on bugs.maemo.org is slooooow :( | 19:54 |
| lcuk | sorry for vanishing - work got in the way - lardman, since you told me you were salivating xchat has been bobbing balloons up telling me, so if you salivate any more we will all flood | 19:56 |
| qwerty111 | I hated that libnotify stuff in xchat, turned it off >.< | 19:56 |
| lcuk | i keep missing hits from pms | 19:57 |
| lcuk | they turned red but nothing would be noticed for hours | 19:57 |
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| * qwerty111 plans on looking at this for the wired headset : http://www.bitsmithy.net/?p=22 | 20:01 | |
| qwerty111 | Or this http://www.bitsmithy.net/?p=18 even | 20:02 |
| summatusmentis | why do my parents never keep any food in the house? :-/ | 20:03 |
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| qwerty111 | Because you'll eat it and finish it off and that = another trip to supermarket :P | 20:04 |
| GAN8001 | ^ | 20:04 |
| GAN8001 | My parents do the same thing. :P | 20:04 |
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| summatusmentis | see, but the point of food is to eat it | 20:05 |
| summatusmentis | and when they don't have any, one can't eat it | 20:05 |
| GAN8001 | They don't care | 20:05 |
| GAN8001 | They survive on your suffering. :P | 20:05 |
| qwerty111 | Heh | 20:05 |
| summatusmentis | they're my parents! they should care | 20:05 |
| summatusmentis | *sigh* I guess it's miso&tofu ramen for lunch | 20:05 |
| GAN8001 | It holds them over just fine until you fold and go to the grocery store. | 20:05 |
| qwerty111 | Go down to the local takeaway :p | 20:05 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty111: I live in a town of 600 | 20:06 |
| qwerty111 | here, I know about at least 15 that are near me | 20:06 |
| qwerty111 | summatusmentis, unlucky | 20:06 |
| summatusmentis | we don't have any of those... there's a pizza place up there, but I don't really have any money, and I've had a lot of pizza | 20:06 |
| GAN8001 | Haha | 20:06 |
| GAN8001 | Go whore yourself for cash. | 20:06 |
| summatusmentis | ever been to rural maine? one, noone has cash, two, noone is attractive | 20:07 |
| qwerty111 | GAN8001, Is that what I saw you doing y/day night? | 20:07 |
| qwerty111 | Me, i'ma pimp :p | 20:07 |
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| GAN8001 | What are you doing in the US, qwerty111? :P | 20:07 |
| summatusmentis | qweyou wish :) | 20:07 |
| qwerty111 | GAN8001, Looking out for people like you :p | 20:07 |
| qwerty111 | US = no1 | 20:07 |
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| qwerty111 | summatusmentis, I got my girls to prove it :P | 20:08 |
| qwerty111 | lol | 20:08 |
| GAN8001 | What the hell am I looking for on the maemowiki? | 20:08 |
| johnx | GAN8001, qwerty111's hoes? | 20:08 |
| GAN8001 | No, that's not it. | 20:08 |
| qwerty111 | I tried uploading the TONS of pics I have but the server nearly crashed out on me | 20:09 |
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| GAN8001 | It saw how ugly they were and died. | 20:09 |
| GAN8001 | Ah, right, the broken RSS | 20:09 |
| qwerty111 | GAN8001, Dont be a h8er (or a h0e) :p. just because I can get some yeh :p | 20:10 |
| summatus_n810 | qwerty111: your mom deosn't count as 'one of yourngirls' | 20:10 |
| summatus_n810 | s/yourngirls/your girls/ | 20:10 |
| infobot | summatus_n810 meant: qwerty111: your mom deosn't count as 'one of your girls' | 20:10 |
| GAN8001 | Burn! | 20:10 |
| qwerty111 | summatus_n810, Who said anything bout my mom? Ask your mom about those condoms you found :p | 20:10 |
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| Navi | oh snap | 20:11 |
| summatus_n810 | who finds condoms? do you root through your moms stuff all the time? | 20:12 |
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| qwerty111 | s/your/my | 20:12 |
| qwerty111 | yes in that case ^ | 20:12 |
| Anunakin | hey can any ... give me a mac addr.... to download firmware for N800 ? | 20:13 |
| summatus_n810 | lol! you're quick | 20:13 |
| Navi | sudo find -name "condom" | 20:13 |
| Navi | :o | 20:13 |
| summatus_n810 | and not very satisfactory, from what I hear | 20:13 |
| johnx | Anunakin, any particular reason you need the n800 stuff? | 20:13 |
| Anunakin | I just wanna try N800 Emulator on my PC!!! | 20:14 |
| Navi | mmm | 20:14 |
| qwerty111 | Anunakin, http://www.wikidesign.co.uk/Geekanoids/uploaded_images/N800-Memory-767672.jpg - How are your reading skills? | 20:14 |
| johnx | I would assume the n810 firmware would work, though I could be wrong... | 20:14 |
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| qwerty111 | Should do, N810 rootfs is same as N800 | 20:15 |
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| GAN8001 | andre____, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3216 :P | 20:15 |
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| Anunakin | opps | 20:16 |
| mgedmin | haha | 20:16 |
| Anunakin | a crash... | 20:16 |
| qwerty111 | Anunakin, http://www.wikidesign.co.uk/Geekanoids/uploaded_images/N800-Memory-767672.jpg - How are your reading skills? | 20:16 |
| Anunakin | ok ... | 20:16 |
| qwerty111 | Repeated :p | 20:16 |
| Anunakin | I tried N810 FW... but not works | 20:16 |
| qwerty111 | Here's one better | 20:16 |
| qwerty111 | 00194F9E | 20:16 |
| qwerty111 | Add 2 letters, 1 number and one letter | 20:17 |
| Navi | Fail | 20:17 |
| Navi | gtfo | 20:17 |
| qwerty111 | Navi, Ladies first ;) | 20:17 |
| Navi | Gladly | 20:17 |
| qwerty111 | Here's one I just "made": 00194F9EDD2D | 20:17 |
| MangoFusion | qwerty111: only 2gb? bah ;) | 20:17 |
| johnx | right now my n800 mac address is: 00:02:ee:c0:ff:ee | 20:18 |
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| Anunakin | very hard to read on this img | 20:18 |
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| qwerty111 | 00194F9EDD2D | 20:18 |
| qwerty111 | 00194F9EFF2D | 20:18 |
| summatus_n810 | ugh!! we don't even have any milk in this house! | 20:18 |
| lcuk | summatus_n810, we have lots, you want me to email some? | 20:19 |
| qwerty111 | EWW! MILK :O | 20:19 |
| summatus_n810 | would you please? my parents apparently hate me | 20:19 |
| lcuk | you wouldnt be the first | 20:19 |
| Anunakin | thanks all! | 20:19 |
| qwerty111 | Aww, summatus_n810's parents hate him | 20:19 |
| qwerty111 | Lets all shed a tear | 20:19 |
| summatus_n810 | qwerty111: i agree, generally. but we have chocolate milk mix :-) | 20:20 |
| qwerty111 | Aww, now I hate you :P | 20:20 |
| summatus_n810 | lol | 20:20 |
| qwerty111 | Hardly get any chocolate milk :/ | 20:20 |
| lcuk | just eat it dry - put it on your tongue and try to work up some spittle to mix it with | 20:20 |
| lcuk | its fun when choc dust comes out of your nose when you try not to cough | 20:20 |
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| summatus_n810 | lcuk: then it's chocolate spit, not chocolate milk | 20:20 |
| lcuk | but its chocolate | 20:21 |
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| summatus_n810 | sort of | 20:21 |
| lcuk | ok, brown sugar | 20:21 |
| qwerty111 | Meh, the only thing I like coming out of my nose is shisha/hooka | 20:21 |
| GAN8001 | Gross | 20:21 |
| trickie | better than milk :) | 20:22 |
| summatus_n810 | I'm generally of the mind that things generally shouldn't come out of the nose | 20:22 |
| lcuk | i suppose if you were desperate enough you could try lactating yourself | 20:22 |
| summatus_n810 | erm... | 20:23 |
| qwerty111 | I tried that with the nearest similar thing I had. It was white but it didn't taste like milk... | 20:23 |
| summatus_n810 | over the line qwerty111 | 20:23 |
| qwerty111 | Thanks :) | 20:24 |
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| lcuk | yes i know,what dulux emulsion DOES taste bad | 20:24 |
| Anunakin | Nice.... downloading... N800 FW | 20:24 |
| Anunakin | now I need another think... | 20:25 |
| GAN8001 | <_< | 20:25 |
| GAN8001 | lardman's just in time for the party | 20:25 |
| summatus_n810 | qwerty111: I know you're in a different timezone, but how do you spend all day on irc? | 20:25 |
| qwerty111 | lcuk, Dunno about taste but this room was repainted recently and the dulux really does stink :/ | 20:25 |
| X-Fade | Party? Party? Where? | 20:25 |
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| lardman | :) | 20:26 |
| johnx | X-Fade, not here O_o | 20:26 |
| qwerty111 | summatus_n810, I've only been here a few hours :). School's started again :/ | 20:26 |
| summatus_n810 | IN MY PANTS!! | 20:26 |
| lcuk | back in the art -otel after those nokians left ;) | 20:26 |
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| summatus_n810 | qwerty111: ah, ok | 20:26 |
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| qwerty111 | ~lart svn | 20:27 |
| * infobot blasts svn with a huge firehose then strangles svn with it | 20:27 | |
| * lcuk must find a delicate balance now between software releases and family life | 20:27 | |
| * GAN8001 pokes X-Fade. | 20:27 | |
| GAN8001 | Fix it fix it fix it: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3216 | 20:27 |
| summatus_n810 | lcuk: what are you releasing? | 20:27 |
| * X-Fade hits GA back with a stick. | 20:27 | |
| GAN8001 | By the way, who cleaned up the mediawiki URLs? | 20:27 |
| * GAN8001 runs in circles. | 20:27 | |
| Navi | A ninja | 20:27 |
| Navi | durr | 20:27 |
| GAN8001 | A URL ninja? | 20:28 |
| X-Fade | I asked Ferenc to put a rewrite rule into place.. | 20:28 |
| Navi | Yes | 20:28 |
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| X-Fade | Now old style and new style urls work at the same time.. | 20:28 |
| lcuk | summatus_n810, if i say nothing i will be shot by people here, if i tell you it wont be right because its a WIP at the moment and needs lots of cleanup before i do release it | 20:28 |
| * qwerty111 gets the glock ready | 20:28 | |
| X-Fade | GAN8001: I can't reproduce that bug? Works for me[tm]? | 20:29 |
| Anunakin | I need this file: | 20:29 |
| Anunakin | ssh root@nokia-n800-address cat /dev/mtd1ro > config.mtd | 20:29 |
| qwerty111 | No one will give that | 20:29 |
| summatus_n810 | lcuk: can you give me a general idea? | 20:29 |
| Anunakin | why? | 20:29 |
| Anunakin | :( | 20:30 |
| qwerty111 | Because it contains MAC address and stuff for that tablet | 20:30 |
| Anunakin | hum... | 20:30 |
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| lcuk | summatus_n810, its a notetaking app which does fullscreen nice quick refreshes and works faster than paper (TM) ;) | 20:31 |
| Anunakin | ok | 20:31 |
| eichi | how long does it take to make the n800 full? | 20:31 |
| Anunakin | Can I use mine from N810? | 20:31 |
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| eichi | plugged in with energy | 20:31 |
| qwerty111 | Anunakin, Yes, you should be able to | 20:31 |
| Anunakin | because FW not works | 20:32 |
| Anunakin | ok | 20:32 |
| Navi | lcuk, zomg | 20:32 |
| lcuk | ive got about 40 notes with things which should work | 20:32 |
| Navi | fastar than ppr? | 20:32 |
| lcuk | yer | 20:32 |
| Navi | Impossible | 20:32 |
| qwerty111 | faster than light? | 20:32 |
| lcuk | and more findable | 20:32 |
| Anunakin | I go try... with FW from N800 and mtd1ro from N810 | 20:32 |
| eichi | how long tages it to charge the n800? | 20:32 |
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| Navi | Findable I'll swing with | 20:32 |
| qwerty111 | Anunakin, You know it's broken anyway even with N800 mtd1? | 20:32 |
| Navi | My backpacks full of crap | 20:33 |
| lcuk | navi, with paper notes i lose them, with this i see them forever and kinetic scroll down them | 20:33 |
| qwerty111 | Anyway, bye. | 20:33 |
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| X-Fade | GAN8001: Poke, poke.. | 20:33 |
| Navi | Ew | 20:33 |
| Navi | poking | 20:33 |
| dougt | sigh... that location api doesn't actually start up the gps. | 20:33 |
| lcuk | poke 16384,255 | 20:33 |
| GAN8001 | No lie, X-Fade? | 20:33 |
| GAN8001 | Weird. . . . | 20:33 |
| lcuk | (makes spectrum 48k do strange stuff) | 20:33 |
| dougt | so, promising! yes, so not there. ;-) | 20:33 |
| X-Fade | GAN8001: http://validator.w3.org/feed/check.cgi?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.maemo.org%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DSpecial%3ARecentchanges%26feed%3Drss | 20:33 |
| GAN8001 | eichi, 3 hours to full | 20:33 |
| GAN8001 | 30 minutes to 80% | 20:33 |
| X-Fade | Validator thinks the feed is OK too. | 20:34 |
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| dougt | kulve: have you tried using this location API? | 20:34 |
| GAN8001 | Then what the hell is going on here? O_o | 20:34 |
| lcuk | odd thing: leaving 810 on "Performance" all day does not apparantly effect battery life.. | 20:34 |
| Anunakin | look here .... the guy put all info about your N800 http://thetabletblog.com/emulyator-internet-plansheta-nokia-n800.html | 20:34 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: If there is no application using the cpu it will sleep anyway. | 20:35 |
| GAN8001 | ^ | 20:35 |
| Navi | mmm, sleep | 20:36 |
| * Navi drools | 20:36 | |
| Anunakin | Thanks guys... I need to go!!! | 20:36 |
| Navi | Bye! | 20:36 |
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| lcuk | X-Fade, the device is simply more snappy on performance, ive found out its deffo wifi thats my killer | 20:36 |
| X-Fade | GAN8001: I won't close your bug as WORKSFORME, but do try to find out what is going on :) | 20:37 |
| GAN8001 | Trying on another device now. | 20:37 |
| lcuk | i can now take it to work or with me all day and not run down the battery | 20:37 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Yeah, just listen to a internet radio stream or use vagalume. | 20:37 |
| lcuk | yer i know | 20:37 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Will warm up your device nicely :) | 20:37 |
| lardman | lcuk: if your tablet sleeps all day (dyntick) then perhaps that why? | 20:37 |
| lcuk | i keep device in a wooden crate anyway | 20:38 |
| lardman | dougt: let me see if I can find that demo code | 20:38 |
| X-Fade | But my N95 gets so hot with VOIP over wifi that after 40 minutes I can't hold it to my ear anymore ;) | 20:38 |
| lcuk | i thought the cpu only slept properly in ondemand | 20:38 |
| dougt | lardman: thanks. | 20:38 |
| lcuk | if not, why not use performance all the time | 20:38 |
| lardman | two different things, cpu speed and dyntick | 20:38 |
| GAN8001 | lcuk, we had sleeping fine in OS2007. | 20:38 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, :D melting earwax isnt because of device, its the radio waves cooking it | 20:38 |
| dougt | lardman: i am basically trying a bunch of stuff including calling gpsmgr directly which feels wrong. | 20:39 |
| lardman | if you have some task which needs to wake the processor up, you may as well run at less than full speed and save power? | 20:39 |
| dougt | but maybe that is the right thing to do? | 20:39 |
| summatus_n810 | this ramen is not that good... i may have put too much water in | 20:39 |
| lcuk | but if its asleep why does it matter | 20:39 |
| lardman | dougt: no idea :) | 20:39 |
| lardman | dougt: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowToUseGPSFrameworkInOS2007/ | 20:40 |
| GAN8001 | Well, X-Fade, I can't add it to Safari, Chinook or Diablo. | 20:40 |
| lcuk | simon, when we went out on thursday it lasted me writing notes all day and then well into the night with numpty and beer in the garten | 20:40 |
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| GAN8001 | Apple Discussions claim the Safari issue might be Leopard related, but I can't explain the N800s | 20:41 |
| GAN8001 | Will try some other stuff later. | 20:41 |
| lardman | lcuk: Asleep is fine, but if you are doing something that doesn't need 100% speed (i.e. not watching movies in mplayer) then running the cpu slower at those times will save power | 20:41 |
| lardman | lcuk: yeah, not a bad inningd | 20:41 |
| lardman | innings | 20:41 |
| * lardman can't type | 20:41 | |
| lcuk | its ok, i cant either | 20:42 |
| dougt | lardman: right: https://garage.maemo.org/svn/gps-saver/trunk/gps_saver.c | 20:42 |
| lardman | not enough beer ;) | 20:42 |
| lardman | dougt: sounds about right | 20:42 |
| lardman | dougt: This for the N810 or N800? | 20:42 |
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| dougt | the n810 | 20:42 |
| Navi | http://php.vrana.cz/data/ballmer1.jpg | 20:43 |
| dougt | it looks like i just uses the gpsbt_start() | 20:43 |
| dougt | i was using the gps_start function (figuring it would be the more general thing to use?) | 20:43 |
| lardman | and don't pass it a BT address | 20:43 |
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| lcuk | why is ballmer shaking harry potters hand? | 20:43 |
| lardman | dougt: There's still heavy interdependence between the gps and bt libs so I read | 20:44 |
| lardman | dougt: presumably they were written before a built-in GPS was decided upon | 20:44 |
| summatus_n810 | the rezl question is why wasn't he before? | 20:44 |
| dougt | yeah, should be fixed up and just make location do the right thing. | 20:44 |
| summatus_n810 | meh... ramen sucks | 20:45 |
| Navi | lcuk, well, it's not the person as much as how Balmer is staring right at Tux | 20:45 |
| X-Fade | GAN8001: Can it be that the problem is the https? | 20:46 |
| johnx | summatus_n810, your ramen sucks. ramen in general is awesome | 20:46 |
| lcuk | im well aware of that.. ;) | 20:46 |
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| Navi | ramen has the same nutritional value as the cardboard boxes I get them in | 20:46 |
| summatus_n810 | johnx: meh... it's possible | 20:46 |
| derf | Instant ramen sucks. | 20:47 |
| johnx | summatus_n810, I'd even allow that all instant ramen sucks. | 20:47 |
| derf | Real ramen is awesome. | 20:47 |
| Navi | Real ramen is okay | 20:47 |
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| lardman | fsm? | 20:47 |
| johnx | Navi, where did you have it? | 20:47 |
| johnx | and derf, agreed. :D | 20:47 |
| summatus_n810 | oh... yeah, i probably had instant ramen. what is real ramen? | 20:47 |
| johnx | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramen | 20:47 |
| johnx | scroll down to gallery | 20:48 |
| Navi | pork, chives, corn | 20:48 |
| X-Fade | GAN8001: I can't add any feed that has https in it's url? | 20:48 |
| johnx | Navi, O_o | 20:48 |
| Navi | o_O | 20:48 |
| derf | You all need to watch Tampopo. | 20:48 |
| derf | But make sure you know where a good ramen shop is first, because you will want some afterwards. | 20:48 |
| summatus_n810 | wtf? ubuntu doesn't recognize me wireless card? | 20:48 |
| Navi | Do something about it | 20:49 |
| Navi | set it up yourself | 20:49 |
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| summatus_n810 | I will, butg I expected it to recognize it | 20:49 |
| johnx | it depends on the card | 20:49 |
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| summatus_n810 | s/butg/but/ | 20:49 |
| infobot | summatus_n810 meant: I will, but I expected it to recognize it | 20:49 |
| johnx | some cards don't have linux drivers | 20:49 |
| Navi | I don't expect anything to be recognized | 20:49 |
| Navi | working out of the box is a luxury, not a necessity :P | 20:49 |
| dougt | lardman: using the BT interface seems to work. | 20:49 |
| lardman | dougt: cool | 20:50 |
| GAN8001 | X-Fade, could be it. | 20:50 |
| summatus_n810 | johnx: I suppose, it's a macbook | 20:50 |
| GAN8001 | Dunno how to test, though. | 20:50 |
| johnx | summatus_n810, should work then | 20:50 |
| X-Fade | GAN8001: Try to add a maemo news feed on https. | 20:50 |
| summatus_n810 | theoretically | 20:50 |
| lardman | how much free space do you think one might theoretically need to upgrade to Diablo? | 20:52 |
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| johnx | good question | 20:53 |
| johnx | symlink /var/cache/apt/archives somewhere else and you should be fine. someplace with a couple hundred megs | 20:53 |
| lcuk | i thought diablo first initial release was a normal flash? | 20:53 |
| johnx | lcuk, it will be. | 20:53 |
| johnx | for now there is an apt repository that seems to work pretty well as long as you upgrade from a fresh chinook flash | 20:54 |
| lcuk | ahh | 20:55 |
| mgedmin | in r&d mode, I assume? | 20:55 |
| johnx | I've heard that disabling lifeguard reset is important | 20:55 |
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| mgedmin | that's probably what I meant | 20:56 |
| kulve | dougt: yup | 20:56 |
| GAN8001 | Sorry, X-Fade, gotta bug out. Will test tonight. | 20:57 |
| GAN800 | lardman, at least 80MB | 20:57 |
| X-Fade | GAN8001: Yeah, I'm out too. Let's see if we can find the cause later :) | 20:58 |
| GAN800 | maybe more. | 20:58 |
| lardman | johnx: what happens if you try to upgrade from a not so clean Chinook? | 21:01 |
| lardman | GAN800: thanks | 21:01 |
| johnx | lardman, your system may end up in an undefined state :) | 21:02 |
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| Navi | My install broke when IU tried | 21:02 |
| johnx | use your imagination :) | 21:02 |
| lcuk | backup first :) | 21:02 |
| MangoFusion | man, just had a complete weirdo IM me | 21:02 |
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| lardman | yeah, I realised that, I was just wondering what the actual error was | 21:02 |
| lardman | ah well, I can always reflash I guess | 21:02 |
| johnx | no single error per se, but you might run into interesting problems | 21:03 |
| lardman | ah well, I'll give it a go then :) | 21:04 |
| lcuk | chinablo :) | 21:04 |
| lardman | :) | 21:04 |
| RST38h | back | 21:06 |
| lcuk | arghhhh @ clock skew. how do i make my 810 get its time from my big pc? | 21:06 |
| johnx | lcuk, ntpdate and an ntp server for your computer | 21:07 |
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| johnx | lardman, the other thing is if you run into a weird problem with some app later on it might make it more difficult to tell whether it's a legit bug that needs to be fixed or an artifact of the way you upgraded | 21:07 |
| lcuk | thanks john | 21:07 |
| johnx | rdate might work too | 21:07 |
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| johnx | having both sync to the same time server somewhere else might be easier/better though | 21:08 |
| johnx | pool.ntp.org is my personal choice :) | 21:08 |
| lcuk | yer, ill try.. | 21:08 |
| lardman | johnx: hmm, good point | 21:09 |
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| Italodance | huh http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/ | 21:19 |
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| Maximander | hello? | 21:23 |
| andre____ | hello. | 21:24 |
| Italodance | umm | 21:24 |
| MangoFusion | anyone here know if there is a build of that Einstein newton emulator for OS2008? | 21:24 |
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| Italodance | how can i get this theme for my mplayer http://www.n800blog.com/blog.aspx?id=144&story=SMplayer_Mplayer_front_end ? | 21:24 |
| johnx | Italodance, it's a whole frontend called smplayer | 21:25 |
| Maximander | I'm attempting to setup a dev env on ubuntu/hardy, following instructions on http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html, and sb2 is complaining about my target being invalid. | 21:25 |
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| Maximander | and sb2-config -l returns nothing. | 21:26 |
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| Italodance | johnx where is the deb install file? | 21:26 |
| mgedmin | Maximander: did you run the target installer? | 21:27 |
| johnx | there is a link on the page you linked... | 21:27 |
| mgedmin | maemo-rootstrap install all | 21:27 |
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| Maximander | $ maemo-rootstrap list | 21:28 |
| Maximander | chinook40_armel | 21:28 |
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| mgedmin | hmm | 21:28 |
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| mgedmin | sb2-config -l shows me all targets, plus some nonsense | 21:29 |
| mgedmin | like mistral20_armel.tmp-pkg-db.maemo | 21:29 |
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| Maximander | this is a clean install, following the guide and using etch tools rather than --host-tools | 21:29 |
| Italodance | johnx did u installed it? | 21:29 |
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| johnx | no | 21:29 |
| mgedmin | interesting | 21:31 |
| anon | hey guys, i would like to ask a question: if i had a dayjob which was not maemo related but wanted to spend more time developing for it without taking up his nights, where would i look | 21:31 |
| mgedmin | the jobs section on maemo.org? | 21:31 |
| anon | i was under the impression those all needed relocation to finland | 21:32 |
| Italodance | johnx can it hurts my IT? and mplayer? | 21:32 |
| johnx | Italodance, probably not...but I have no idea | 21:32 |
| Italodance | johnx smplayer will put on mplayer? | 21:32 |
| johnx | it's an application that launches mplayer | 21:33 |
| Navi | smplayer is an mplayer frontend | 21:33 |
| Navi | kinda ugly on the tablets though | 21:33 |
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| anon | hmmm Ideally, you are familiar with OpenGL, Open VG or some other accelerated graphics standard and experience in Widget development will also count in your favor. | 21:34 |
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| Maximander | anyone know how to get scratchbox working? | 21:36 |
| pupnik_ | easiest is to use the vmware image | 21:36 |
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| Maximander | uck, I'm running ubuntu already. | 21:36 |
| Navi | Just follow the guide | 21:37 |
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| anon | does anyone know of any none nokia teams working on projects for maemo? | 21:37 |
| johnx | anon, commercial projects? | 21:38 |
| anon | well we have to get our bread from somewhere | 21:38 |
| johnx | maybe you could ask indt? | 21:38 |
| johnx | http://www.indt.org.br/contact/ | 21:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | indt is a nokia thing iirc | 21:39 |
| Maximander | Navi: I did follow the guide, up through step 5, and it doesn't seem to work | 21:39 |
| Navi | woo | 21:39 |
| anon | qwerty is right, indt is somewhat related to nokia | 21:40 |
| jeroin | ubuntu on your nokia? | 21:41 |
| Maximander | I'm guessing I need to do an sb2-init or somehow add the rootstrap I downloaded to sb2's targets, but I'm not sure how to do that | 21:41 |
| johnx | but not necessarily locaked in finland | 21:41 |
| mgedmin | Maximander: what worked for me was | 21:41 |
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| anon | yes, but finland is just across the water, indt are on the other side of the world | 21:41 |
| trickie | anon: maybe openhand, who do some work for nokia | 21:41 |
| trickie | they are uk based | 21:41 |
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| anon | how about closer to home: england | 21:41 |
| trickie | and do other non-maemo embedded work | 21:41 |
| anon | ahhh trickie :) excellent | 21:41 |
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| trickie | anon: http://o-hand.com/jobs/ | 21:42 |
| trickie | they looking right now | 21:42 |
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| jeroin | what kind of hardware will the new NIT have? OMAP3? | 21:42 |
| summatusmentis | hrw works for them | 21:42 |
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| trickie | anon: http://o-hand.com/jobs/ | 21:42 |
| trickie | they are looking right now for people | 21:42 |
| anon | gahhh, mental note: dont click links in browser irc ;) | 21:42 |
| anon | i saw thanks | 21:42 |
| trickie | he he | 21:42 |
| jeroin | *g* | 21:43 |
| jeroin | open link in new window;p | 21:43 |
| lardman | is itt down? | 21:43 |
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| mgedmin | Maximander: this worked for me on hardy: http://maemo.pastey.net/88878 | 21:44 |
| anon | were openhand at linuxtag recently? | 21:44 |
| trickie | anon: i didn't see an offical presense, but maybe, some of their guys were for surer | 21:46 |
| keesj | ain't hrw related? | 21:48 |
| anon | hmmm, it would have been nice to meet some of them. wish i had thought of this sooner | 21:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, yeh, not loading here | 21:48 |
| anon | keesj :) interesting | 21:49 |
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| keesj | anon: what? | 21:50 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: np, was just trying to sort out my apt lists, will have to do it after supper though now | 21:50 |
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| anon | that hrw is involved | 21:50 |
| keesj | I am just guessing here. but He does poky I think | 21:51 |
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| anon | yer i heard when we were there | 21:52 |
| summatusmentis | keesj: yeah, hrw works for openedhand | 21:52 |
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| pupnik_ | our meeting at linuxtag was very motivational | 21:54 |
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| mgedmin | oh yes | 21:55 |
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| * anon agrees | 21:55 | |
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| n800n_ | is there an app that gets you the power menu without having to press the hw button? | 21:55 |
| keesj | anon: are you the famous Anonymous? | 21:55 |
| anon | im not going to play the guessing game here and now, but would really like to speak to some people about having a dayjob doing what i am very passionate about | 21:56 |
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| anon | i just dont know where to start | 21:56 |
| pupnik | maybe write a cool app like konttori | 21:57 |
| summatusmentis | anon: a lot of places that are working w/ maemo are likely looking for OSS experience | 21:57 |
| anon | OSS experience is a company policy and if i am paid to release my code then i dont care :) | 21:58 |
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| summatusmentis | oh, fair enough, who do you work for? | 21:59 |
| summatusmentis | if you don't mind my asking | 21:59 |
| anon | my maemo work is all nighttime coding. enough people have seen it to know something productive can come out of it though | 22:00 |
| anon | i am not a manager though, i have different priorities at night to what i want to code than what i have in the daytime | 22:01 |
| summatusmentis | right, that makes sense | 22:02 |
| lcuk | so things like releases and packages and stuff is low down because i am growing and adding features and using the code myself | 22:02 |
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| anon | how do you say bollocks nicely? | 22:04 |
| texel | anon: 'crap'? =op | 22:04 |
| n800n_ | balls | 22:04 |
| johnx | your hostmask was the same anyways... | 22:04 |
| n800n_ | so is there no way to access the power menu say from an icon in the statusbar ? | 22:05 |
| pixies_ | setanta: ping... | 22:05 |
| setanta | pixies_, pong | 22:06 |
| summatusmentis | bollocks is considered rude? | 22:07 |
| RST38h | anon: you say "testicles" | 22:08 |
| RST38h | anon: as in "Your point of view is akin to moose testicles: as hairy and shapeless." | 22:09 |
| anon | arent testes round? | 22:10 |
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| anon | anyway, thanks guys. bye | 22:14 |
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| hrw | and he just left | 22:16 |
| {abo} | The problem with booting of the removable SD is that it makes every app say "Memory card not present" when you tell them to store something on the removable card. | 22:16 |
| {abo} | I just want everything neatly in /home/user, darn it. | 22:16 |
| {abo} | Maybe if I add a vfat partition on the SD card... | 22:17 |
| keesj | I have a fat as first parition indeed | 22:17 |
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| hrw | re lardman | 22:17 |
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| lardman | hey hrw | 22:17 |
| {abo} | keesj: It has to be the first? | 22:18 |
| keesj | first is a hard term in partition table world. but I guess so the famoush init scripts also work better when you do that :p | 22:19 |
| Cptnodegard | Nokia N800 Canola2 Now Playing: Brother Firetribe - Lover Tonite | 22:19 |
| {abo} | I'm not actually using famoush's stuff, just using the Nokia tools to set it to boot from mmc | 22:21 |
| {abo} | I guess Nokia's init script will only boot from the first partition. | 22:22 |
| summatusmentis | hrw: just out of curiousity, how did you manage to get the ohand job? | 22:22 |
| summatusmentis | all the OE stuff? | 22:23 |
| hrw | summatusmentis: years of experience in OpenEmbedded | 22:23 |
| hrw | summatusmentis: I am one of core devs in OE | 22:23 |
| summatusmentis | yeah, ok. Experience == being one of the devs, actually doing stuff, instead of just being a relatively casual user like myself :) | 22:24 |
| summatusmentis | hrw: I know | 22:24 |
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| Maximander | so, maemo-rootstrap install all appears to run sb2-init after each one is installed. it did not run sb2-init when invoked just as maemo-rootstrap install chinook40_armel | 22:25 |
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| Maximander | not sure why, but it explains why sb2-config was unhappy even though I followed the guide | 22:26 |
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| Maximander | guess it doesn't hurt to have a bunch of rootstraps I'll never use... | 22:27 |
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| lardman | 75.3MB to be exact | 22:33 |
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| sidnei | hello there, is there any known issue with the on-screen keyboard sometimes not showing up? | 22:37 |
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| johnx | sidnei, I've run into this sometimes in the browser. Do you mean the smaller stylus keyboard or the fullscreen thumb keyboard? | 22:38 |
| hrw | http://leo.urbanacademy.org/ | 22:38 |
| sidnei | johnx: both actually | 22:38 |
| johnx | in the browser or another app? | 22:38 |
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| sidnei_ | johnx: any app | 22:43 |
| sidnei_ | johnx: as in, it works once and then disappears to never show up again | 22:44 |
| johnx | ah, ok, never ran into that | 22:44 |
| sidnei_ | johnx: if i restart it comes back but for works for very short | 22:44 |
| johnx | are you using an external keyboard? | 22:44 |
| summatusmentis | hrw: that was interesting | 22:44 |
| sidnei_ | hrw: very cool, almost beat it :) | 22:44 |
| sidnei_ | johnx: yes, i am forced to, unfortunately :( | 22:45 |
| hrw | I did not get in time for mirror one - 2-3 lines of text left | 22:45 |
| johnx | sidnei, I mean, were you using it before you had this problem? | 22:45 |
| summatusmentis | how does it tell you how well you did? | 22:45 |
| hrw | summatusmentis: no idea - just got link | 22:45 |
| summatusmentis | oh... it told you you were too slow? | 22:46 |
| sidnei_ | johnx: as in, i boot up, they on-screen keyb works, so im not using teh external one, then it disappears and im forced to use the external one because the on-screen one never comes back | 22:47 |
| hrw | have a nice evening guys | 22:47 |
| johnx | 'night hrw | 22:47 |
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| summatusmentis | *sigh* I need to do work :-/ | 22:48 |
| johnx | sidnei, did you always have this problem? did you install anything right before the problem started? is this an n800 or n810? | 22:48 |
| johnx | n800 I assume... | 22:48 |
| sidnei_ | johnx: n810 | 22:49 |
| johnx | aaah | 22:49 |
| sidnei_ | johnx: i might have installed stuff yeah | 22:50 |
| johnx | any app that would mess with the onscreen keyboard or that relies on the hardware keyboard sliding switch? | 22:50 |
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| sidnei_ | johnx: could be yeah, i would have no idea actually | 22:52 |
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| johnx | well did you install an app that is triggered by that switch? ie that runs when you slide the keyboard in | 22:53 |
| sidnei_ | i'm mostly sure i didn't. yeah | 22:54 |
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| johnx | fair enough. I have an N800, but maybe someone with an N810 has run into a similar problem | 22:54 |
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| RST38h | Heh, Google has started installing services and background processes to user machines | 23:03 |
| RST38h | Cute. | 23:03 |
| johnx | RST38h, hmm? | 23:03 |
| RST38h | johnx: well, they did stuff like that as part of Google Desktop for a while now | 23:04 |
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| RST38h | johnx: But since week or two ago, they also do it inadvertedly when you install Google Earth plugin for example | 23:04 |
| johnx | right...it's hard to do a desktop "quick search" type app without background indexing | 23:04 |
| johnx | google earth plugin? | 23:05 |
| RST38h | Looks like you are getting that background process every time you use anything related to Google Gears | 23:05 |
| johnx | ah, I see | 23:05 |
| RST38h | Sneaky bastards | 23:05 |
| * RST38h kind of expected this to happen sooner or later though... | 23:05 | |
| ||cw | gears would require that | 23:06 |
| johnx | RST38h, is this code collecting private info or something? | 23:07 |
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| RST38h | johnx: no idea. and don't wanna find out | 23:07 |
| RST38h | just deleted the whole thing a few minutes ago | 23:07 |
| johnx | heh...fair enough | 23:07 |
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| MangoFusion | it's a big googlistic conspiracy | 23:08 |
| sidnei_ | this might be a faq, but, anyone knows when diablo is coming out? | 23:08 |
| johnx | ~diablo | 23:09 |
| infobot | Fast and efficient NNTP newsfeeder software. URL: http://www.backplane.com/diablo/, or a better link-time optimizer. More information can be found at http://www.elis.ugent.be/diablo | 23:09 |
| johnx | hmm...not what I wanted infobot | 23:09 |
| johnx | sidnei_, theoretically before the end of the month | 23:09 |
| MangoFusion | sergey brin and larry page are going to win the US elections | 23:09 |
| MangoFusion | (mysteriously) | 23:09 |
| MangoFusion | ;) | 23:09 |
| sidnei_ | johnx: that would be june right? | 23:09 |
| summatusmentis | they'd be better than mccain | 23:09 |
| johnx | sidnei_, yes | 23:10 |
| johnx | otherwise it will be late...and as well all know software is never released later than expected :D | 23:10 |
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| sidnei_ | know if there are any big changes in browser land or anything? that would be my biggest complaint | 23:14 |
| johnx | no big changes | 23:15 |
| johnx | a couple small fixes having to do with onscreen keyboard stuff | 23:16 |
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| sidnei_ | so i just tested now, i booted up, tried the on-screen keyboard on the browser, it opened up | 23:16 |
| lardman | phew, back to just the one desktop | 23:16 |
| sidnei_ | then i opened up the chat application, the big on-screen keyboard doesn't show up | 23:17 |
| sidnei_ | enable 'stylus input', the small keyboard shows up | 23:17 |
| sidnei_ | and that's it | 23:17 |
| sidnei_ | bit on-screen keyboard never comes back | 23:17 |
| lardman | Where's qwert gone? | 23:19 |
| lardman | qwerty even | 23:19 |
| lardman | hmm, kernel appears to be too big | 23:20 |
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| summatusmentis | lardman: I think he said he had school | 23:23 |
| summatusmentis | or something | 23:23 |
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| lardman | summatusmentis: thanks | 23:24 |
| summatusmentis | lardman: sure. It might be that he has to be in bed, for school... he mentioned school starting again, that's about all I know | 23:25 |
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| gpd | Sanity check: Could I use my N800, connected via bluetooth to a HSDPA phone, as a 'wireless router' to allow other machines access to my HSDPA connection? ie. can N800 be setup to do Ad Hoc or whatever you call it? | 23:36 |
| johnx | ad-hoc yes | 23:36 |
| johnx | ap/master mode: no | 23:36 |
| gpd | crap | 23:36 |
| jeroin_ | it depends on the phone | 23:36 |
| gpd | hardware or software malfunction ? | 23:36 |
| johnx | you'll need some modules (possibly a custom kernel) to get iptables/masq-nat support | 23:37 |
| gpd | Phone is Nokia E51 - which also has WiFi onboard | 23:37 |
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| gpd | In theory the E51 could act as a wireless router all by itself - but that is asking too much of it i suspect | 23:37 |
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| johnx | gpd, I don't know if the lack of ap/master mode support is at a hardware or driver level, but it doesn't really matter | 23:38 |
| jeroin_ | the phone can probably do ad-hoc | 23:38 |
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| jeroin_ | "Currently Symbian OS used in Nokia phones does not support WLAN infrastructure mode." | 23:38 |
| RST38h | What? | 23:39 |
| johnx | though the phone's wifi won't come into play at all... | 23:39 |
| glass | there is software | 23:39 |
| glass | for 3rd ed | 23:39 |
| glass | s60, to act as wlan adhoc(i think adhoc) router.. | 23:39 |
| RST38h | How come my ancient Symbian-based E70 works with an AP in infrastructure mode? | 23:39 |
| glass | it only supported http though | 23:39 |
| jeroin_ | http://www.joiku.com/index.php?action=about&mode=joikuspotFAQ | 23:40 |
| glass | might support more now, havent checked in a while | 23:40 |
| jeroin_ | joiku yes | 23:40 |
| glass | yeah that | 23:40 |
| johnx | RST38h, it's in Managed mode | 23:40 |
| jeroin_ | the pro/paid version supports more than http | 23:40 |
| jeroin_ | well i dont know what kind of BT version is in your phone either.. 2.1? | 23:40 |
| RST38h | johnx: ? | 23:41 |
| RST38h | it is either infrastructure or adhoc, afaik | 23:41 |
| johnx | RST38h, infrastructure mode is what your AP is in. Managed is what a client of an AP is in | 23:41 |
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| jeroin_ | just do this: vpn with https proxy at server, ssl over http all over hsdpa/joiku or hsdpa/bt | 23:42 |
| johnx | there are 3 modes: master/ap/infrastructure. client/managed and ad-hoc | 23:42 |
| gpd | E51 has Bluetooth 2.0 +EDR according to forum.nokia | 23:42 |
| RST38h | johnx: oh, you mean Symbian can't act as an AP | 23:42 |
| RST38h | well, that is fair enough | 23:42 |
| johnx | I'm not even the one that said that :P | 23:42 |
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| jeroin_ | gpd: that approx saturates HSDPA | 23:43 |
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| jeroin_ | gpd: go try with BT over HSDPA and see how you like it if you don't like it try WiFi + JoikuSpot and if you want more than merely HTTP hack around that or buy the thingy | 23:45 |
| gpd | ok -i am confused. My naive idea was to plug N800 into E51 using USB cable (female to female magic) then add some extra magic and presto - wireless lan in the park... clearly these things are never going to be that easy | 23:46 |
| shapr | lesbian cables? | 23:46 |
| gpd | jeroin_: will look at Joiku - thanks | 23:46 |
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| johnx | gpd, can your phone act as a modem like that to a notebook/desktop? | 23:46 |
| johnx | if so, it should be just about that easy | 23:46 |
| gpd | yes - i am on it as that now | 23:46 |
| gpd | usb to phone on XP laptop with 3.5 G connection to O2 in UK | 23:47 |
| glass | shouldn't worry about bt saturation with nits.. | 23:47 |
| johnx | gpd, should be doable on a tablet then, as long as your phone doesn't have high usb power requirements | 23:48 |
| gpd | I guess the alternative is to just bring the laptop to the park and use that in master/ap/infrastructure mode to broadcast the wifi lan to others in the area | 23:48 |
| gpd | anyway - all fun and games to bad had at a later date - thanks for the help | 23:48 |
| johnx | it really should be doable... | 23:48 |
| johnx | and especially easy over bt | 23:49 |
| jeroin_ | gpd: hmm i don't think the n8x0 can work in ad-hoc either | 23:49 |
| johnx | jeroin_, yes it can... | 23:49 |
| johnx | if it doesn't thats a bug | 23:49 |
| jeroin_ | ah ok great | 23:49 |
| jeroin_ | so the N8x0 can act as a router? | 23:50 |
| johnx | if you want to do NAT, you need to add a couple kernel mods | 23:50 |
| johnx | s/mods/modules/ | 23:50 |
| infobot | johnx meant: if you want to do NAT, you need to add a couple kernel modules | 23:50 |
| jeroin_ | and USB networking works too, but i wonder if his phone would do this w/o ath additional | 23:51 |
| jeroin_ | if you need Joiku for WiFi then it might be necc. for USB networking too... | 23:51 |
| johnx | he's using his phone over usb *right now* :P | 23:52 |
| jeroin_ | nice then USB and BT are his options | 23:53 |
| jeroin_ | and, Joiku for WiFi | 23:53 |
| johnx | right, or tablet for wifi | 23:53 |
| jeroin_ | need to think about other factors like what uses least power, or what is the most flexible | 23:54 |
| jeroin_ | i dont know about you but i dont want to have devices wired to each other while sitting in the park they might think i'm pretending to be a terrorist | 23:54 |
| jeroin_ | is there a powertop port avail? | 23:55 |
| johnx | right, which is why he asked about bt first | 23:55 |
| johnx | the kernel is missing some features needed for it | 23:55 |
| johnx | the "port" should be trivial: just a recompile | 23:56 |
| jeroin_ | WiFi has a longer reach, but it also uses far more W | 23:56 |
| johnx | yes | 23:56 |
| jeroin_ | ahh i see | 23:56 |
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| jeroin_ | bah i hear that more often about recompiles sigh | 23:57 |
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