IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2008-06-02

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Tama^2Boo!00:05
Saviqdamn you scared the glasses off of me00:05
Tama^2apologies :P00:06
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gnutonHi there00:09
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hrw|gone~curse maemo kernel config for CONFIG_USB_OTG_WHITELIST=y00:19
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, maemo kernel config for CONFIG_USB_OTG_WHITELIST=y !00:19
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hrw|goneit rejects my usb hubs :(00:19
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RST38bisKILL KILL00:21
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kkrustyis anyone looking for any help with a maemo project?00:44
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darren_Does anyone know anything about where OS2008 stores the networking information e.g. nameservers etc when it makes a connection through WLAN?00:49
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gnutondarren_: in /etc?00:53
darren_well the file /etc/resolv.conf is empty00:54
darren_and there does not seem to be any other variatins of /etc/resolv.conf00:54
GAN800gconf, probably.00:54
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darren_fun I get to learn how to use gconf01:24
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Tama^2jeez thet quit message almost qualifies as spam01:45
Tama^2>.<01:45
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glassat least it's not in color01:45
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summatusmentiswhat do people use for IDE's in maemo?02:01
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NaviNothin'02:06
Naviplain vim for me02:06
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Tama^2I thought you created patches with cat and applied them to existing files (blindfolded and with one hand tied behind your back)02:07
NaviLol02:08
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Johnny5Bah.  Copy the files to a good old fashioned 8" floppy disk, and rewrote the files with a small magnet clamped to a metal-barrel pen?02:13
* Johnny5 violated so many rules of English in that sentence that it's nearly unintelligible.02:13
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Johnny5s/Copy/I thought you copied/02:13
infobotJohnny5 meant: Bah.  I thought you copied the files to a good old fashioned 8" floppy disk, and rewrote the files with a small magnet clamped to a metal-barrel pen?02:13
Johnny5...02:13
Johnny5Nice bot.02:13
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summatusmentisplain vim makes reading through an ~4k line source file hardish02:18
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AnunakinJohnx: You here?02:37
AnunakinI just... compiled and tested keylaunch ... and using it to emulate mouse right and left clicks ... on maemo ... I think this must works on Debian too...02:41
AnunakinI tested under KDE on maemo... :-)02:42
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summatusmentishmm... is there a way to have an app from the debian chroot interact with maemo as though it's a maemo app? A file manager for instance02:47
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GAN800You mean the open/close dialog or filetype handling?02:50
GAN800open/save02:50
summatusmentislike... thundar, working on the maemo /, instead of the bian one02:51
AnunakinI just building packages02:53
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summatusmentiss/bian/debian/02:58
infobotsummatusmentis meant: like... thundar, working on the maemo /, instead of the debian one02:58
summatusmentiss/thundar/thunar/02:58
infobotsummatusmentis meant: like... thunar, working on the maemo /, instead of the bian one02:58
summatusmentisno, stupid bot, that's not what I meant02:58
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brianduh uh uh03:02
manyosowhen logged into scratchbox sdk... how do i compile sources that are on my regular source machine??03:02
briands/u/du/g03:02
infobotbriand meant: duh duh duh03:02
manyosoor how do i even copy those sources so they are visible inside a scratchbox term?03:03
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briandcopy them to the scratchbox pseudo-home directory?03:03
manyosobriand: where is this?03:04
manyoso /scratchbox/users/USER/home/USER or so?03:05
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manyosook, so i can move sources to the scratchbox environment like that... but can i shares sources from the host computer with the scratchbox environment?03:09
briandwell, they'd have to be able to be found within the scratchbox...03:10
briandmeaning, it won't find anything outside the scratchbox "root"03:10
manyosoright, so is there some way of setting up a shared folder or something?03:11
manyososo that they can be seen inside of the scratchbox root?03:12
manyosoi hate copying sources over03:12
briandi haven't tried it...  but i doubt a link (ln -s) would work, as the link would be interpreted by the scratchbox, which couldn't find any files outside of the scratchbox root, either...03:13
manyosono symbolic links don't work03:13
briandwell, you *could* put the physical source files within the scratchbox environment, and use symbolic links to their other "location" outside of the scratchbox for the host box to access...03:16
briandthat would prevent the copying of files... but isn't necessarily intuitive or convenient, as a development environment...03:17
manyosoright03:17
Johnny5You could also probably do a hard link03:17
manyosovmware has a nice way of sharing folders with host computer... so sources can be shared03:17
manyosohmm... maybe a hard link03:18
manyosooh wait03:19
manyosohard links can't link to a directory so that is not a solution03:20
summatusmentismanyoso: only if you've got vmware tools installed03:21
manyososummatusmentis: sure, but htat is no hindrance03:22
manyosoman, this is tough03:22
manyosoyou can't share sources it seems03:22
manyosothat is going to make for a really inconvenient dev environment03:22
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summatusmentismanyoso: no hindrance, unless you're on some debian thing, that hates vmware-tools :)03:22
manyososummatusmentis: i'm using debian and it works...03:23
summatusmentisreally? it might just be 64bit03:23
manyosodunno03:24
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Johnny5How about writing a quick bash script to copy the stuff to the sandbox, and making a button in your IDE to launch that script?03:26
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WorkingOnWiseis there a way to globally make all aps open in full screen?04:11
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unixSnobI've been going to xterm and unmounting mmc cards before removing them.. because I'm not sure if some write caching could be behind and cause corruption05:10
GAN800It bitches at you if it's working.05:12
unixSnobthat's good.. but I guess at that point, it's too late, right?05:12
GAN800When the door is open.05:13
GAN800Not when the card is removed05:13
unixSnobah, nice.. I didn't realize it could sense the door of the "removeable" card05:13
GAN800it's got a magnet05:13
GAN800always has for all cards on all tablets.05:14
unixSnobcool.. that's the same as the internal card05:14
GAN800Try starting a write and watching it bitch at you when you open the door05:14
GAN800or watch dmesg05:14
unixSnobmakes good sense.. I thought the door on the removeable card was excessive05:15
unixSnob(until now)05:15
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ImMelodyhave any of you tried out maemomyth?05:29
GAN800ImMelody, you see the wifi applet source bug? :p05:30
ImMelodyhuh?05:31
GAN800https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=319505:31
ImMelodyoh! no I didn't!05:32
GAN800Vote! :D05:32
ImMelodyThanks so much!05:36
GAN800Nothing's likely to come of it, but maybe we'll make some progress when we get moving on the open/closed table for the wiki.05:37
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summatusmentisGAN800: se, it's small things like teh magnetic door that make this so much better than my old Z05:50
NaviLies05:50
summatusmentisno lies, trufs05:52
summatusmentisn810 > C320005:52
GAN800No, 810 < 320005:53
GAN800Silly non-mathematician.05:53
summatusmentisno, but see, n = 4, C=1/305:53
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|penguinbait|e = mc 206:00
summatusmentisalso true06:00
GAN800penguinbait, put a bomb in your next tablet.06:01
|penguinbait|#$!$#@06:01
|penguinbait|booooomb06:01
GAN800'Oh, you like your new tablet then? BOOM!'06:02
|penguinbait|when will n900 be out :)06:02
GAN800Hopefully before next year. :/06:02
GAN800or I'm going to be pissed.06:02
|penguinbait|I am back on my 800, and its driving me mad06:03
|penguinbait|I just really want to type with my thumbs?06:03
GAN800Ha06:03
GAN800N810 sucks anyway06:04
summatusmentisnuh uh!06:04
GAN800Do so then.06:04
summatusmentis<3 n81006:04
GAN800Fullscreen keyboard. . . .06:04
|penguinbait|me to sum06:04
|penguinbait|I am the the onscreen thumbboard06:04
|penguinbait|hehe06:04
|penguinbait|I hate the onscreen thumbboard06:04
GAN800Set dpad to acticate osk06:04
GAN800Faik06:04
GAN800l06:04
GAN800it's the best. :P06:05
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summatusmentisand now I can have my internet back!06:05
summatusmentismy ubuntu torrent finished downloading06:05
|penguinbait|I have nokia bt keyboard, and a iblue gps, so really its better than my 81006:05
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|penguinbait|yeah right :(06:05
GAN800I do about 40-60 wpm on osk06:06
summatusmentisI like the slight ridges on the keys on the n810, so I know where one key starts, and the other ends06:07
|penguinbait|I used to use handwriting recognition, but I have a nice scratch in my 800, so I hunt and peck with the stylus06:07
GAN800lame06:07
|penguinbait|I wish it had braces { }06:07
summatusmentiseek! scratches?06:07
summatusmentisit does, in the char picker06:07
summatusmentisbut I assume you know that06:08
|penguinbait|pocket with keys06:08
|penguinbait|doh!06:08
summatusmentisdo you not case your n800?06:08
|penguinbait|I was very happy to upgrade to my 810 :(06:08
summatusmentiswhat happened to it? why're you on the n800?06:08
GAN800Pocket with keys. . . .06:08
|penguinbait|I used to just put in my pocket06:08
|penguinbait|My 810 was stolen yesterday06:09
summatusmentisoh noes!06:09
|penguinbait|:(06:09
summatusmentisthat bites hardcore06:09
|penguinbait|yes it does06:10
|penguinbait|It had flash and 3 partitions setup06:11
|penguinbait|but they were all fresh flash06:11
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summatusmentisso no data gone then06:13
doc|homethat sucks, how'd it happen?06:15
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ydossowhello everyone...06:21
ydossowone question...06:21
summatusmentisnope, that's over your allotment06:21
ydossowits safe to disable the gps services in a n800?06:21
GAN800To what end?06:22
ydossowi dont have gps...06:23
GAN800Why're you worried about it?06:23
ydossowim not worried :)06:24
ydossowjust a question...06:24
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GAN800I can't see the harm, but neither can I see the purpose. ;)06:24
ydossowhehe, ok06:24
ydossowthanks06:24
|penguinbait|http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20593&goto=newpost06:26
|penguinbait|nice06:26
|penguinbait|its going on the next one06:26
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unixSnobanyone here ever attempt to us dd to copy an ISO image to a usb drive or SD card, bit for bit, and boot it?06:57
* unixSnob is tempted to try it with a DSL linux iso06:58
summatusmentisI've heard it can be done06:58
summatusmentisnever tried, but that's essentially what durning the ISO to a CD does right?06:58
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unixSnobI'm starting to doubt it'll work.. just found a doc on the dsl linux site talking about how to prepare a USB drive07:03
unixSnobIt gives several methods all of which are many steps.. nothing that simply copies the bits07:03
unixSnobthe easiest approach they mention is to mount the ISO and the drive, and copy all the files over.  Then use "syslinux" to write the boot record07:03
summatusmentiscan I see the link?07:04
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sidneiHello maemoeers07:05
unixSnobhttp://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/Installing_to_a_USB_Flash_Drive07:05
unixSnobit's near the bottom "convert .iso..."07:05
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* unixSnob wonders if syslinux is comparable to "sys a: c:" from the DOS days07:06
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summatusmentisweird...07:07
unixSnobanyway.. gotta sleep.. later07:09
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lopznight07:36
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beford1gb should be enough for a debian installation on a n810, right?07:48
Navi sure07:51
NaviYou'll be tight on space if you want to experiment though07:52
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GAN800The maemo UI blog is so hilariously topical.08:24
patohlink?08:24
DaniloCesarGAN80008:26
GAN800http://maemointeraction.wordpress.com08:26
patohlittle outdated :P08:27
patohhurm, wonder if nokia is still part of gnome mobile08:27
GAN800No kidding08:27
patohif so, how long do they plan on staying for08:27
GAN800and entirely devoid of useful content.08:27
patohseems like a wank fest08:28
GAN800Yes, they are.08:28
doc|homeI'm sure the 4 hits they had per month were sufficient to make it worth their while :)08:28
GAN800Pressumably as long as they continue using GTK?08:28
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GAN800roo08:28
GAN800doc|home, chicken and egg. ;)08:29
doc|homeyup08:29
GAN800Gotta have content before you get hits.08:29
patohGAN800: I am wondering if they are going to pull a openmoko on the N80008:30
patohkeep the underlying framework (its all awesome) and just ditch the gtk UI08:31
GAN800You mean move to Qt?08:31
GAN800GTK/Hildon isn't going anywhere anytime soon;08:32
GAN800Fremantle will ship with community supported Qt and Harmattan with officially supported.08:33
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* GAN800 pokes roope.08:33
patohso both toolkits will be shippped, but GTK+ will be the blessed one in the way of default apps been writen in it?08:33
GAN800we want more content. :)08:34
GAN800Right, patoh08:34
RST38hpatoh: it won't be blessed one, it will be the one used for the default ui08:34
patohheh, I would call that blessed for the default ui :P08:34
RST38hIn the default ui, you will first see QT on the phones08:34
* GAN800 is wondering how the virtual input methods will work out with Qt.08:34
RST38hpatoh: you remind me of a joke08:34
patohi get that a lot08:35
RST38hA jewish mom gives two ties to her son08:35
RST38hAnd son wears one of these ties to her birthday08:35
RST38hAnd the mom says: so, you DIDN'T LIKE THE OTHER TIE?08:35
GAN800Ha08:35
patohreminds me of my ex girl friend08:38
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Italodancehuhu08:41
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Italodancewhich girl?08:41
RST38hClose08:47
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herwoodhello09:14
herwoodI messed up my scratchbox armel-target. What is the easiest way for reinstalling it?09:15
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RST38hapt-get install ?09:17
herwoodI installed the scratchbox using the maemo-scratchbox-install_4.0.1.sh -script09:18
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herwoodI think I should just delete the directory /scratchbox/users/myUsername/targets/CHINOOK_ARMEL09:19
herwoodbut I'm not sure about that09:19
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RST38hif not sure,rename it09:20
RST38hThe Tegra line will be all-in-one, integrated systems on a chip, containing an 800MHz ARM CPU, GeForce GPU, image processor, HD video processor, and controllers for all other aspects of core operations (memory, USB ports, communication)09:20
RST38hThe chipset is 1/10th the size of Intel's Atom and is ultra-low power. A single charge can allow the user to run audio for 130 hours or HD video for up to 30 hours.09:20
herwoodyeah, that sounds good, I'll try it09:20
RST38hSomething is telling me that the last pair of numbers is somehow doctored...09:22
herwoodyeah, that sounds nearly too good to be true..09:23
jaskaprobably mixed up hours and minutes09:23
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RST38h*or* they let video processor decode stuff in hardware directly from memory to the screen09:27
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RST38hStill, numbers look like they have all got an extra 009:28
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RST38hBtw, here is their reference device: http://images.macnn.com/esta/content/0804/nvidia-apx2500-10.jpg09:29
RST38hAnything familiar?09:29
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GAN800RST38h, my personal opinion is that they're using a laptop battery. :D09:35
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scour-_is there anyway to make my gtk program run as root when started from catalog? (cant use setuid since its gtk program :( )09:38
RST38hGAN: They well may be09:42
RST38h30 hours is a lot even with a laptop battery though09:43
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X-Fade_Morning all.09:55
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RST38hmorning09:56
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trickie_howdy09:57
X-Fade_Ah, the 100m sprint winner is there too ;)09:57
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trickie_he he09:58
trickie_pulled up a bit sore though :)09:58
trickie_X-Fade_: have a good time overall?09:59
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X-Fade_trickie_: I thought it was really nice. Talked to a lot of people and now it is time to act on it :)09:59
trickie_X-Fade_: agreed!10:00
X-Fade_There is already a lot of ideas for the 100 Days plan: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days10:02
X-Fade_But please feel free to add more ;)10:02
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trickie_i added one comment about maemo.org -> ITT syndication/stuff10:04
trickie_im not convinced developers are willing to go hunting in ITT for feedback, but i am sure it can be made easier to file bugs directly from there or mail a list for example10:04
X-Fade_This is where a centralised tracker would be of help too.10:05
X-Fade_But maybe we should just add a link to the bugtracker for that package in the catalog?10:06
trickie_for sure... was thinnking of adding somethign about that10:06
trickie_but i hesitated, becuase of the time involved10:06
X-Fade_So it would show up in feeds?10:06
trickie_and how to word it10:06
trickie_X-Fade_: you mean my comment?10:07
X-Fade_Yeah.10:07
X-Fade_As a short term fix, that should be easy and I think it would help.10:07
trickie_well i was thinking that if the guys at ITT are going to start a forum thread for each new app/release then they know where the app is being hosted, so that could also add a big button that links back to the right garage page to log bugs or post in the garage forum/list10:08
trickie_just convenience10:08
X-Fade_Using launchpad or something similar doesn't seem doable in 100 days.10:09
trickie_so if someone has an issue or feedback it is only laziness stopping them from filing it10:09
trickie_as it is one click to the form10:09
trickie_X-Fade_: yeah it would be a big migration10:09
trickie_and most likely take a lot of peoples time10:09
trickie_but a centralised tracker would be awesome10:09
trickie_anway... back to boring work... talk to you later10:10
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X-Fade_Later.10:12
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User598i need help :D10:36
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NaviI need help *leave*10:37
davos1lol10:37
davos1i changed nick10:37
Navi:P10:37
davos1how do i install diablo10:37
NaviWhat do you need help with?10:37
davos1i put the repos in10:37
davos1did a apt-get update10:37
Navibleh, I don't know10:37
davos1lol10:37
jjoyou wait for the release, install , success10:38
NaviYou need the repo password, though.10:38
NaviHa10:38
davos1oh10:38
davos1crap10:38
davos1ask querty :P10:38
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davos1hello :D10:40
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davos1hi10:42
davos1:S10:42
davos1friggin hate irc seems like everyone is dead10:42
gomiamdavos1: it doesn't "seem" >;-)10:42
davos1lol10:43
davos1true10:43
davos1do you know the repo pass for diablo?10:43
gomiambraaaaainssss10:43
davos1does anyone?10:43
gomiamnope10:43
gomiamno idea. Actually, I didn't know Diablo had a password10:43
gomiamwhat sense does that make?10:44
davos1dont know10:44
davos1its just the repo10:44
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davos1meh10:44
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* gomiam checks whether there is a way to access the diablo repository10:46
* davos1 thinks there is not10:46
* davos1 wishes querty12 was here10:46
gomiamoh, I see now. http://catalogue.tableeter.nokia.com/updates/diablo requires some realm based authentication10:48
gomiamI'll look at it after I get back from an incidence call.10:50
davos1kk10:50
davos1i cant load that page10:51
davos1weird10:51
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davos1btw u spelt the site worng10:52
davos1its10:52
davos1http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo10:52
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hans-castorpyo ppls11:00
hans-castorpwow the debian xchat is a hell of a lot better than the one for maemo11:01
nomishans-castorp: moin.11:02
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nomishans-castorp: if by "better" you mean "more content", then you're probably right  :)11:02
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davos1anyone have luck on installing diablo?11:07
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borismx-chat? c'mon, where is irssi?11:08
jones-Hello. Does anyone know if you can get oprofile to work in scratchbox?11:09
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kulvejones-: with ARM binaries?11:10
jones-kulve: no, i'd be happy to oprofile in a i386 target11:10
kulveit's part of the kernel, so you can run it normally on PC. No need to involve SB there11:11
jones-oh11:11
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AStormjust need a few tools, which are in the repos11:11
AStorm(package oprofile)11:12
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jones-So I guess I can init and configure oprofile outside sb, and then run it inside.11:12
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AStormwhy?11:18
AStormyou can run oprofile on the device directly11:18
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jones-I was assuming it'd be much simpler to profile in sb11:19
AStormno11:19
AStormit won't11:19
AStormit's not the real case, might falsify the data11:19
jones-oh ok then11:20
kulvejones-: it's about as easy in both environments11:20
jones-Is this a good starting point? http://maemo.org/development/tools/doc/chinook/oprofile/11:20
AStormyes, although I find real profiles better than fake ones11:20
AStormIsn't oprofile in the new kernel already?11:21
befordI'm trying to program an app using C that will be querying information from a server trough HTTP requests, is there any lib that I could use to make the HTTP requests instead of using sockets?11:21
beforda lib availible in maemo already*11:22
AStormbeford: hmm, in C.. yes11:22
AStormcurl11:22
AStormnot sure if it's installed by default11:22
inzit is11:22
gomiamAStorm: no, but you can pull it from a repository.11:22
gomiamis it?11:22
gomiamopen mouth, insert foot, then :-)11:23
inzWell, not in maemo, but on ITOS11:23
AStorm:>11:23
kulvebeford: curl11:23
befordok thanks.11:23
inzUnfortunately curl in maemo is missing one essential function11:24
gomiaminz: which? (just curious)11:24
AStormhmm? ssl?11:24
inzgomiam, the one that returns the time (in milliseconds) to next occurring timeout11:24
gomiamoh11:24
AStormah, not that bad11:25
AStormthis you can work around11:25
inzcurl_multi_timeout is the one11:25
inzYou cannot implement proper GSource for curl without that11:25
AStormyou can, with some hack11:26
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befordgot another question, I've seen somebody wrote pygtkedit wich uses gtkviewsourceviewer, I was trying to compile something that required that package, but I was unable to find a libgtksourceviewer-dev package for maemo, so, how did he manage to write something without it?11:27
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befords/gtkviewsourceviewer/gtksourceview/11:28
infobotbeford meant: got another question, I've seen somebody wrote pygtkedit wich uses gtksourceview, I was trying to compile something that required that package, but I was unable to find a libgtksourceviewer-dev package for maemo, so, how did he manage to write something w...11:28
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gomiambeford: next time remember to add a g after the last / ;-)11:28
AStorminz: anyway, if you want that, gnome-vfs is better11:30
AStormit supports http and ftp too11:30
befordheh, it'd not have worked anyway, I used a different name when referring to the dev package :P11:31
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gomiambeford: true, true.11:31
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hrwmorning11:40
inzAStorm, does it do POST and all that fun?11:40
AStormnot sure11:41
trickie_hrw: morning11:44
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RST38hping13:08
X-Fade_pong?13:10
hrwping failed13:10
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bhaskarhow to Rotate with Diablo ?13:11
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gomiambhaskar: you put your left foot at a some given angle x (so x%360 is not 0) and then put your right foot parallel to your left one. Repeat until the required number of rotations has been achieved. ;-)13:13
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bhaskarha ha13:14
bhaskarthat is the one way..13:15
bhaskarbut i tried, modified kernel with diablo, it doesn't work13:16
RST38hping worked!13:16
jeddy3gomiam: xD13:18
inzping -b13:19
inzPhew, it didn't work13:20
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befordlibxml2 is part of maemo/itos, right?13:24
inzbroadcast ping on channel this size might cause a bit of a flood13:24
inzbeford, right13:24
inzbeford, and IIRC so is expat ;)13:25
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herwoodhey, how can I make the diablo work in scratchbox?13:29
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X-Fade_herwood: Diablo has not been released yet, so ...13:29
herwoodaa, ok13:29
X-Fade_herwood: It should be compatible with chinook, with just some added libs.13:30
herwoodok, thanks13:31
X-Fade_So porting an application from chinook to diablo should just be a recompile.13:31
herwoodok13:32
kulveis there even need for a recompile?13:32
X-Fade_kulve: Well some minor versions of libs could have been upgraded, so if you have strict deps..13:34
X-Fade_But that is at a package level.13:34
inzX-Fade, why would you have strict deps?13:36
X-Fade_inz: Well I don't but some people do ;)13:37
inzX-Fade, if you have strict deps, then you have to change those too (i.e. not just a recompile)13:37
inzX-Fade, shlibs give you >= dependencies13:37
X-Fade_Yep. But I really wouldn't know if there are any cases which do not run without repackaging or rebuilding. We will have to see when the SDK gets released.13:39
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shaprHey, does anyone know if maemo has the same problem debian had with generated ssh keys?13:58
befordprobably it does13:59
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kulveshapr: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/36898#3689814:01
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shaprkulve: Thanks!14:03
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* lcuk ponders14:39
hrwhi lcuk14:39
lcukhi hrw :) get back safely then14:39
hrwlcuk: yes - you too I see14:40
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lcukyes and back to work,  ive come away from berlin with lots of thoughts and ideas14:40
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hrwI have to start from recompiling n8x0 kernel14:41
lcuki bet your not doing that directly on the device though14:42
hrwno - I am not so insane14:42
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* lcuk thinks it would take forever, the nokia n8888888811111100000 would be out by the time its done14:42
hrwgoodbye CONFIG_USB_OTG_WHITELIST14:42
wizahas anyone tried a2dp in n810?14:43
lcukgood idea, but will it be enough to allow anything to be plugged and accepted14:43
lcukooops, customers, back later14:46
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hrwlcuk: I have few powered hubs and n810 refuse to handle them14:50
hrwand all those thanks to keesj who had some spare female<>female usb adapters14:50
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mgedminhi, lcuk14:58
mgedminhi, hrw14:58
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hrwlaba diena mgedmin14:59
lcukhrw, keesj had everything in that little box of tricks didnt he15:05
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lcukhi mgedmin :) are you still travelling or have you returned home now15:06
mgedminhome since yesterday15:06
hrwlcuk: exactly15:06
lcukmgedmin, did you have the same hotel issue as most others?15:06
mgedminwatched a few mobile-related presentations from LugRadio Live 2008 on google video15:06
mgedmineveryone is talking about building communities15:07
mgedminlcuk: "hotel issue"?15:07
mgedminI had to pay with my credit card, yes15:07
mgedminI sent an email to Nokia's travel agent and he said that's normal procedure15:07
mgedmin"Billing is not possible with contract price."15:07
mgedminquim sent me a word document (boo! hiss!) for filling in an expense claim15:08
hrwNokia sponsored hotel for speakers?15:08
lcukvery frustrating and not expected, especially since the agency handled payments for the flights, ahhh so we just fill in and bobs your uncle15:08
lcukyes hrw15:08
hrwgood to know for future15:09
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hrwok, time to boot my kernel on n81015:10
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mgedmin"FORMTEXT  µ     §Haettu tehtävä / esimies15:11
mgedmin" is what OpenOffice sees in that .doc15:11
mgedminah! it looks better in the clipboard15:11
lcukmgedmin, :) i have the .doc as well. thankfully my office 2000 should open it correctly ;)15:11
mgedminon screen I see a ‰ instead of ä15:12
* mgedmin hates open office15:12
mgedminand open office hates me right back15:12
lcukshhhh, you cant say that on a linuxchannel ;)15:12
hrwok, changed to much in kernel15:13
* lcuk thinks french airport security are too finicky15:13
* mgedmin also hates expense forms15:13
lcukthis will be a new experience for me so ill savour every single field15:14
Z0m81eHello all, is this an appropriate channel to ask about problems with large block device support on n770?15:14
mgedminI once paid £80 for a hotel in oxford from my pocket instead of submitting an expense form because I hate paperwork15:14
mgedminstill, 500 EUR is a bit more than 80 GBP15:15
mgedminnot that I'd get all of those back15:15
mgedminI stayed a couple of days extra15:15
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lcukmg, can you get privmsgs15:16
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mgedminyes15:20
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Avehi all15:24
Z0m81eI attached a 60 gig USB HDD to my n770 and it was picked up as /dev/sda but dmesg complains it is too big for the kernel and to add support for large block devices - seems unlikely to me I thought that was for disks over 2TB? does anyone have any idea what the problem might be, I have had it work before with a different USB hub (same model).15:25
AveI've been reading about vorbis playback on different forums etc, also I found out that there are numerous libraries for enabling vorbis. so, is mogg the best? I see that any given player will consume about 20% cpu on N8x0, that is kinda hefty right?15:25
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hrwwho wrote usbcontrol?15:45
mgedminit would be interesting to see the actual power usage numbers of using the CPU instead of the DSP for mp3/ogg playback15:45
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surkiany one tried compiling gnash in scratchbox? [i am having trouble with libboost related stuff. on compiling gnash, i get linker errors saying '* symbols defined in discarded section *']15:47
Avemgedmin: I'm assuming that mp3 currently does use dsp15:51
mgedminyes15:51
Avewould make sens to offload decoding crapo to dsp but .. would that lead into energy saving15:52
Aveor just snappier UI15:52
RST38hit would15:52
RST38heven just using integers in ogg decoder would lead to energy saving15:53
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hrwRST38h: not if you would compile float version for armv6vfp15:59
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hrwRST38h: but maemo binaries are mostly armv5te so vfp unit is "wasted"16:00
RST38hhrw: is there a magic command line option to change the model?16:00
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RST38h[and are there any drawbacks? =)]16:01
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hrwTARGET_CC_ARCH = "-march=armv6j -mtune=arm1136jf-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp"16:01
RST38h! thanks16:01
hrwRST38h: or just use OE :D16:02
hrw~curse n810 a bit16:02
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infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, n810 a bit !16:02
hrwI connected powered hub and it refuse :(16:03
hrwand see unpowered one16:03
Z0m81edoes anyone know why my n770 is complaining about lack of support for large block devices in kernel when attaching 60 gig usb disk?16:03
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hrwok. now I have n810->powered hub -> 1:pendrive 2: non-powered hub (7 ports)16:04
Avehrw: if you compile with that, you get hardware floats?16:04
hrwAve: yes16:05
Avein scratchbox cross?16:05
hrwNO!16:05
hrwnever!16:05
hrw;)16:05
Aveer what16:05
hrwI never used scratchbox and do not plan to change it16:05
Avebut is it possible if not feasible for you16:05
mgedminheh16:05
mgedmindon't listen to him, he uses kde instead of gnome too16:06
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Ave /ignore hrw16:07
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hrw8 usb devices and still works...16:07
mgedminwow16:07
Aveso er, what is the status of vorbis playback as of now? mogg, something tremor?16:07
mgedminI've got ogg-support installed16:08
mgedminthe builtin media player can play oggs16:08
mgedminiirc I don't get metadata16:08
mgedminand iirc I can't click on a .ogg file in file manager16:08
hrw1016:09
Avehm I have mogg and all playrs grok ogg, but no metadata16:09
Aveand eat cpu like there's no tomorrow, but atleast theres playback16:09
mgedmineven when I'm playing mp3 my n810 gets noticeably warm in my hand16:09
mgedminthis doesn't happen when I read ebooks with fbreader16:10
zapthat's perhaps because of wifi16:10
mgedminno16:10
zapif I disable wifi, it's much colder16:10
mgedminthe mp3 files are right here on the card16:10
mgedminhm16:10
MangoFusiondidn't you read the bit about it acting as a portable heater in the product specs? :P16:11
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zapthis will get handy here later this year16:11
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hrwhm. 10 usb devices... need to charge some pdas16:24
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hrw1616:28
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johnxheh...reminds me when I had 8 macbooks on my desk at my last job16:28
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MangoFusion8?16:32
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johnxI was imaging them16:34
johnxafter that I turned them into an impromtu video encoding farm to *cough* test them :)16:35
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summatusmentislol, it's that easy to setup a video encoding farm?16:35
johnxit was a short-bus kinda thing16:36
johnxjust tell each one to encode a different video16:36
summatusmentishmm16:36
summatusmentisoh... that's not the same thing16:36
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johnxhrw, any interesting devices in that list?16:38
* mgedmin expects to hear "only usb drives and keyboards"16:38
johnxheh...16 keyboards16:38
mgedminspeaking of keyboards, how do you get the on-screen vkb back after you've used usbcontrol?16:38
johnxreboot is the only reliable way I've found16:39
Z0m81ehave you guys got usb disks to work properly then? because I have this 'large block device' error when I connect mine16:39
johnxmaybe there's a gconf key though now that I think about it...16:39
johnxZ0m81e, hmm16:39
mgedminthere used to be a program called hildon-im-switch, no?16:39
johnxhow big is the disk?16:39
Z0m81e60gb16:40
johnxand the "large block device" message is a popup on the screen or in dmesg?16:40
hrwjohnx: phones, network card, serial port, storage, hubs, card reader, ps/2 adapter (keyb/mouse), bt...16:40
Z0m81ein dmesg when the disk is connected it gives the little summary table about the disk, the size is 0mb and it gives the error saying the disk is too big for the kernel16:41
johnxO_o16:41
AnunakinHi johnx16:41
johnxhi, Anunakin16:41
mgedminZ0m81e: can you pastebin the message?16:41
AnunakinI have a working solution for mouse right and middle emulation16:41
Anunakin:-)16:41
Anunakin:'(16:41
AnunakinI using ... keylaunch from OpenZaurus project....16:42
johnxAnunakin, seems reasonable16:42
Z0m81emgedmin: i'll pop back in later with it the battery is flat atm16:42
* mgedmin has nokia chargers everywhere16:42
johnxwhat filesystem is the disk?16:42
AnunakinThis associate a key pressed to a program and a key release to another16:43
johnxyup, I've hacked around in keylaunch quite a bit16:43
Anunakinthe Keylauch from Debian ... not do it!!!16:43
johnxdoesn't work?16:43
Z0m81eI tried vfat and ext3 the result was the same both times16:43
Anunakinno16:43
johnxit could be a keymapping issue...16:43
AnunakinYou need keylaunch from OpenZaurus16:43
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Anunakinit works ... but needs too libs from GPE ...16:44
johnxthere must be openzaurus/angstrom specific patches?16:44
Anunakinyes16:44
Anunakinthe version o Debian is 1.3.416:44
Anunakinon OZ is 2.0.1016:44
johnxah16:44
johnxinteresting16:44
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AveI just successfully mapped pgup and pgdown on my N810, to fn-bksp and fn-enter respectively16:45
Avemost convenient ever..16:45
AnunakinOZ version, has extra events... like pressed, released and held ...16:45
Anunakinand a extra Fn mod key16:45
Z0m81eWhen i get back from work I will reflash it to the latest nokia image and try again, if it doesn't work i'll return armed with the exact error in pastebin16:45
johnxcool16:45
florianAnunakin: keylaunch should not need GPE libraries, only some X stuff16:45
johnxZ0m81e, are you using a powered hub? or was the n8x0 able to power the disk directly?16:46
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Z0m81ejohnx: its a n770, i've used a mains powered hub and the 5v soldered over from one of the slave ports back to the host port for the 77016:49
johnxaaaah...ok.16:49
johnxI assumed it was an n8x0 for some reason16:50
Z0m81eI suppose it would be sensible to disconnect the wire and try the hdd through the hub off my laptop or something to rule that out16:50
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AnunakinFlorian: Yes... but keylaunch from OZ project ... has many patchs who uses a lib from GPE... this make the extra events... like released and pressed16:50
Anunakinthis libs uses less then 200K only...16:51
Anunakin2 only... gpelaunch and gpenotify16:52
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Anunakinothers I removed ...16:52
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Anunakinman ... the Makefile of this OZ project ... needed to be remade to compile at SB ...16:53
Anunakin:-/16:53
AnunakinI found a old version ... 2.0.7 from OZ... I see... this not using gpelaunch.... libs... I go try with it...16:54
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Anunakinkeylaunch from debian not have pressed and released  events.. I think that events are very good ... because I can have Menu+click -> right click and  Chr+Click -> middle click16:55
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johnxdebian has gpelaunch, unless I'm confused...16:56
zappppare there any tutorials about making desktop plugins using python? or is this even possible?16:58
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Anunakinjohnx,  I compiled this from OZ sources...17:04
Anunakinthe debian version .... gpelaunch-dev , not have launch.h header17:04
AnunakinI got many errors for compile keylaunch 2.0.10 ... for maemo/debian17:05
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X-FadeAnd we have another great post from Darius ;)17:05
summatusmentisX-Fade: fyi, rm_you was looking for you :)17:06
johnxX-Fade, did he get the job he asked for? :D17:06
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X-Faderm_you: I'm here now...17:06
X-FadeWell, we have talked about him over beers in Berlin :)17:06
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X-FadeHe now calls himself a Think-Tank.17:07
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johnxexciting17:07
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glassis he fat? couldn't resist17:09
JaffaX-Fade: I wonder how many people are subscribed to his Google Group...17:13
summatusmentisis there a way to make thunar from my debian chroot operaton on the root of my maemo install?17:13
X-FadeJaffa: It seems that he only does it to get clicks on his adsense?17:14
summatusmentiss/operaton/operate on/17:14
infobotsummatusmentis meant: is there a way to make thunar from my debian chroot operate on on the root of my maemo install?17:14
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johnxyou could use mount --bind17:14
johnxto bind your / into /debian-chroot17:15
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summatusmentisthat would lose all maemo functionality though, right?17:15
johnxhmm?17:15
summatusmentiswell, wait, I misunderstood what you were saying. You're suggesting binding / to some dir under the debian chroot?17:16
johnxbasically: mount --bind / /debian-chroot/copy-of-maemo-root17:16
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johnxyeah17:16
johnxthen poke around it in thunar from inside /debian-chroot17:16
johnxI assume you already bind mount /proc and /sys17:16
summatusmentisyeah, I'm just using the script on the wiki17:17
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johnxI haven't looked running debian stuff in a chroot at all17:17
summatusmentisit's nice... all debian apps, inside of maemo17:20
summatusmentisI can run wireshark in maemo, for instance17:21
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summatusmentishi qwerty1217:27
qwerty12hello summatusmentis17:27
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* penguinbait slaps qwerty12 around a bit with a large trout17:31
johnxwell that's one way to say hello :P17:32
* qwerty12 slaps penguinbait for fun17:32
penguinbaita little fishy though :)17:32
qwerty12heh17:33
penguinbaitthat was for your exit line,, what are you smokin?17:33
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qwerty12Some Class A stuff17:34
summatusmentisshare?17:35
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penguinbaitI smoked from 15-30, finally quit smoking cigs in 200317:35
summatusmentiscigarettes gross my out17:35
summatusmentiss/my/me/17:35
infobotsummatusmentis meant: cigarettes gross me out17:35
penguinbaitI bought a boat, much more fun17:35
summatusmentismight just be generational though17:35
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* qwerty12 doesn't like breathing in cigarette smoke. but the other stuff is nice :p17:36
penguinbaitsmoking is bad for you, vaporizers are the way to go :17:36
penguinbait:)17:36
t_s_oheh17:36
t_s_oheh, seems like nvidia is making waves in the mobile computing world :)17:37
summatusmentispenguinbait: vaporizers are expensive, from what I understand17:37
trickie_anything foreign in your lungs is bad17:38
trickie_but then that doesn't stop me :)17:38
penguinbaitI paid 450$, cost more that my tablet17:38
RST38hlike an axe or a kitchen knife...17:38
penguinbaitheh17:38
johnxtrickie, I know what you mean. I put oxygen and tons of nitrogen in there all the time. I think I'm addicted :/ :P17:39
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trickie_ha ha, well i meant beyond whats 'naturally' supposed to be in air you breath17:39
trickie_and yes i know that can be variable also17:39
summatusmentisa chrooted aptitude is kinda slow :)17:39
qwerty12trickie_, you are in NL, there must be tons of good smoke there :p17:40
summatusmentisoooh... I'd love to visit NL sometime17:41
RST38hjohnx: you mean you produce NO2 internally?17:41
johnxnah...I import it.17:41
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trickie_qwerty12: probably right, but alot of it probably full of nasty chemicals etc17:42
johnxand usually I keep it separate...17:42
trickie_the days of 'smoke weed man, its natural' are well gone17:42
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RST38htrickie: upgraded to mushrooms? =)17:43
qwerty12build me a time machine, I'll go back to when it was legal and pure17:43
trickie_RST38h: nah, and if i wanted mushrooms i would go back to australia and pick them myself17:44
RST38hAnd even bananas are not the same: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/02/0033211&from=rss17:44
lopzhi17:44
* trickie_ is getting old... not really interested goodies like that anymore17:45
* johnx resolves to eat more banana and peanut-butter sammiches before the banapocolypse17:45
RST38his peanut-butter becoming extinct too?17:46
johnxnah, but I like pb+b sandwiches :D17:46
RST38hah17:46
RST38hRoaches have disappeared too, BTW17:46
RST38hBAD sign. Roaches can't be wrong.17:47
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johnxgood riddance to the roaches! (but I didn't hear that piece of news...)17:47
RST38hwell, at least in Moscow17:48
* qwerty12 is finding roaches in my house :/17:48
* RST38h has not seen a roach here for a few years now17:48
trickie_aren't they like one of the most hardy creatures around?17:49
penguinbaitthe question is, what do you do with all the weed you vaporize?17:49
RST38hwhatever they were, seem to be gone now17:49
trickie_if they are going, then it cannot be long for the humans17:50
RST38hyep17:50
qwerty12THEY SHALL NEVER TAKE ME! MUHAHAHAHAHAHA17:50
RST38hDon't let them take you alive. KILL 'EM ALL!!!17:51
qwerty12Aye Captain17:51
johnxjust googled for news on roaches: verdict is there are still plenty around17:52
penguinbaithttp://www.sxc.hu/pic/m/e/es/esheep/439288_roach.jpg17:53
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GAN800johnx, living in Florida, I can confirm roaches are doing just fine. :p17:54
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johnxalright, thanks for the response from our reporter on the spot, GAN800! back to you, RST38h17:55
GAN800Ha17:56
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GAN800RogerS really has such boring posts. . . . Seems like they mostly just end up being everybody explaining why his assumptions are totally wrong.17:57
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RST38hjohnx: That's in Florida. They'll get destroyed by the Flood18:00
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penguinbaithttp://growabrain.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/05/03/smoking_starts_young.jpg18:03
penguinbaitpicture of qwerty, as a baby :)18:03
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penguinbaitsorry, its what happens when I am bored at work with no tablet :(18:05
summatusmentislol18:08
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GAN800ohshi--Darius found Quim's blog.18:17
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johnxI just wonder if he's serious or a really persistent troll18:17
GAN800I'm disturbed by the fact that he's probably serious.18:18
johnxmust be something lost in translation...18:18
inzjohnx, something, yes, but the stupidity still shines on through18:19
johnxheh18:19
GAN800Yeesh, Quim really went to town on the wiki.18:19
X-FadeGAN800: I'm playing with putting the styling of the frontpage in a CSS atm.18:21
GAN800Yeah, I saw that. Jaffa's changes were a start, but I'm not sure if those icons works so well faded into that orange.18:22
GAN800s/works/work/18:22
infobotGAN800 meant: Yeah, I saw that. Jaffa's changes were a start, but I'm not sure if those icons work so well faded into that orange.18:22
X-FadeGAN800: Well, at least we should get rid of the styling in the text ;)18:22
GAN800I wish I could just pull templates out of wikipedia without trying to navigate their insane webs of css and nested templates. . . .18:25
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X-FadeGAN800: Yeah, it imports 10 templates orso ;) Weird stuff.18:25
GAN800I just wanted the {{main}} template the other day, but it's got at least 4 other templates and 3 CSS classes . . . just styled the text instead.18:27
GAN800Wonder if there's a mediawiki 'plugin' that contains some of them.18:27
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GAN800By the way, X-Fade, thanks to you, too, for the replies on the wiki.18:29
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epsil0nhi all!18:29
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epsil0nhas anybody used a huawei umts usb modem successfuly with the a nokia 810 host mode?18:30
GAN800Quick note, though, I've been italicizing the comments on the main page to set them off a bit.18:30
RST38hGAN: DJS is Darius guy?18:30
X-FadeGAN800: It is beginning to get really big..18:30
GAN800Yeah, RST38h18:31
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RST38hHohoho18:31
GAN800X-Fade you want me to start pushing some stuff to 'main pages'?18:31
GAN800particulary stuff where Quim says we should set up a wikipage.18:32
X-FadeGAN800: If some point really warrants discussion, then I think we need a separate page?18:32
RST38hWhat happened with his job application btw? =)18:32
X-FadeRST38h: I think it dropped from the page. I'll check.18:32
RST38hGAN: Btw, thing that I have found about that discussion page is that concrete and abstract suggestions are mixed together. Maybe you should have two separate pages for these18:33
RST38hAbstract stuff about "developing maemo community along collaborative lines of communications between developers working for the common good bla bla" is good, but it is actual changes (however small) that make a difference18:34
X-FadeI have to step out, bbl.18:34
GAN800Ah, I see Quim put in his two cents on the talk page as far as separate articles. :D18:34
GAN800RST38h, stuff like that is better suited to the 2010 agenda18:35
* GAN800 should get out of bed.18:35
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JaffaGAN800: I'm not sure about the faded icons either, but the ones not overlaid upon made things too wide for my default browser window of ~900px18:38
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GAN8001I'm with you.18:39
NaviGAN8001, with him in bed.18:40
Navioooooo18:40
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JaffaNavi: shush, Mrs Jaffa might be running wireshark!18:42
Navi:)18:42
GAN8001Slumber party, Navi's the only one not invited!18:42
NaviLike I want to be invited.18:42
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unixSnobThe bot over in #openwrt has a pretty cool feature.. It outputs the subject line of new forum replies.  Could be useful for #maemo to do that with internettablettalk.com18:45
NaviNNnnnnnooooooo >_>18:46
Naviinfobot is annoying enough18:46
SDuensinMorning gang.18:47
NaviMorning18:48
GAN8001Ugh18:48
GAN8001That sounds like the spammiest idea ever.18:48
GAN8001Especially from itT18:48
SDuensinAnybody toyed with Einstein on an 800?  I'm becoming obsessed with it.18:48
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GAN8001I've got a real Newton if I ever need to scratch that itch again.18:52
* SDuensin itches bad.18:52
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SDuensinI bought an eMate off ePay.  Now I want a 2100.18:53
hrwhttp://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/06/02/feel-the-power-of-usb-with-nokia-tablet/18:53
nomisI really hate that you need the AF-AF-Adapter.18:54
GAN8001Hehe18:55
GAN8001eMate is slooow18:55
SDuensinYea, but I'm in love with the OS.  :-)18:55
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mgedminhrw: have you got pictures of the actual devices?18:57
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inzAnyone happen to know a decent free SIP service I could use for testing?18:57
mgedminthat would be a  bit more impressive than just the lsusb output18:57
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hrwmgedmin: too messy18:57
GAN8001SDuensin, it's really an awesome platform. It was a sad day when Jobs shut it down.18:57
mgedmininz: ekiga?  freeworlddialup?18:57
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mgedminhrw: also, a USB panic button?  what's that?18:58
mgedminI think I want one :-)18:58
mgedminis it big and red?18:58
hrwmgedmin: go to 'I want one of those' site18:58
hrwmgedmin: yes and you do not want it - no support18:58
inzmgedmin, ekiga sounds open sourcey, thanks ;)18:58
* hrw has to go18:58
hrwbye guys18:58
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florianhrw|gone: cu18:58
unixSnobinz: sipphone.com paired with grandcentral18:59
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mgedminmy personal experience with SIP is very small19:00
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GAN8001RST38h, sign with "~~~~" :P19:00
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RST38hWhat is ~~~~?19:01
RST38hhttp://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2008/02/nsaatt.jpg <-- kinda old but still priceless19:02
GAN8001mediawiki turns that into a signature.19:03
RST38hAh, time included?19:03
GAN8001Yeah19:03
RST38hcool19:03
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SDuensinGAN8001 - It is awesome.  Which is why I want it on my 800.  :-)19:07
GAN8001The one big point about the Newton that a lot of people overlook is size.19:07
SDuensinYea.  You could club people with it.19:07
GAN8001You just can't write comfortably on a device that's much smaller than the Newton.19:07
SDuensinNope.  Well, not without resorting to something like Graffiti.19:08
unixSnobright.. graffiti is optimum19:08
johnxheh...grafiti worked really well but broke my normal handwriting completeiy O_o19:09
SDuensinI realized I was using my PDA too often when I wrote out a check in Graffiti.19:09
unixSnobSDuensin: you're using your checkbook too often, I'd say ;)19:09
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SDuensinunixSnob - Well, I'm married now, so I no longer have the checkbook.  :-)19:10
unixSnobget a bill pay svc.. that way you don't have to write checks19:10
unixSnobor get a spouse.. that works too19:10
johnxheh...checks don't even exist where I'm living right now.19:10
unixSnobeurope?19:11
johnxJapan19:11
unixSnobis it all wire transfers and credit card there?19:11
johnxnot much of either19:11
unixSnobah, pay by cellphone, right?19:11
johnxit's a lot of cash and rfid cards19:11
johnxmostly cash though19:11
unixSnobwow.. that's dark ages19:12
johnxyeah, but it's like the steampunk dark ages :P19:12
unixSnobI'm surprised to hear japan is heavily cash19:12
johnxheh...yeah, I had started getting used to carrying just a debit card with a visa logo in the states...19:12
unixSnobI recall using yen for everything.. but that was back in the 80s19:12
johnxI have an rfid train pass I can add money to...in cash19:13
RST38hjohnx: how about heating btw?19:13
penguinbaitwood19:13
unixSnobcoal19:13
johnx:P19:13
GAN8001I'm one credit card and one debit card, and very occasionally cash.19:13
RST38hAre rumors about using kerosene heater in one room only true? ;)19:13
NaviOne credit, one debit, lotta cash19:13
penguinbaitI own no credit cards19:13
johnxRST38h, I think my built-in AC unit does heat too, but I use a little electric space heater19:14
RST38hdoesn't sound bad19:14
johnxRST38h, in some places, yes19:14
johnx...but most places are basically one room19:14
RST38humgh19:14
NaviI always pay off the balance on my credit when I use it, so no compounding interest :P19:14
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unixSnobelectric space heater sounds terrible.. very inefficient, and poorly distributed19:15
johnxunixSnob, you're not picturing a Japanese apartment properly19:15
johnxit's probably different in bigger houses...19:15
unixSnobIf the japs weren't shoeless in the house, they'd be better off with radiant floors19:15
unixSnobguess no one wants to walk on a hot tatami19:16
johnxnot much stuff gets permanently built-in to buildings here...I don't actually know why19:16
johnxthey really don't build to last in terms of buildings19:16
johnx(just cars)19:16
unixSnobha.. their cars outlast their homes19:16
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unixSnobare house boats popular out there?19:17
* unixSnob googles for a Nissan house boat19:17
johnxah, but paying bills is totally retro-future though: I get a bill with a barcode in the mail and pay it at any convenience store in person...but I can pay with my cell phone's rfid (if I set it up...) or cash19:17
RST38hunix: electric space heater is very efficient19:17
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unixSnobRST38h: you're nuts19:18
johnxyeah, I should mention that I use the electric space heater to heat *myself* not the whole damn apt19:18
RST38hunix: you are converting electricity to heat, directly19:18
unixSnobthere's so much waste in producing electric, before it even reaches the space heater19:18
unixSnobperhaps you meant "economical"19:18
GAN8001Jaffa, X-Fade, anybody else, got any suggestions for the title of the main page for this? https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days#Increase_openness19:18
unixSnobsometimes electricity is cheapened by political influence19:18
GAN8001Mapping openness?19:18
RST38hunix: no, I explicitely meant conversion efficiency19:19
unixSnobyou've thrown away 70% of the energy before it even gets to the space heater19:19
RST38hunix: do you suggest coal then?19:19
unixSnobSure, once you accept that, it's effecient from the wall outlet to the air19:19
GAN8001and does somebody want to ponder out how to make this useful for us? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Main19:20
RST38hunix: in an appartment building?19:20
GAN8001There's too many brackets, my eyes are bleeding.19:20
unixSnobFor efficient heating, I suggest direct conversion Eg. natural gas19:20
RST38hNatural Gas? :)))19:20
RST38hIn Japan? :))))19:20
JaffaGAN8001: "Increase transparency", perhaps.19:20
unixSnobjapan doesn't have that?19:20
RST38hno, unixSnob. Japan does not have natural gas.19:20
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johnxRST38h, uhm, really?19:21
JaffaGAN8001: And then "Increase transparency plan" page19:21
johnxI should turn off my water heater then and figure out what it's using...19:21
unixSnobwhat about propane?19:21
RST38hjohnx: I don't mean you can't BUY natural gas19:21
RST38hjohnx: Just mean it is not found naturally in Japan19:21
johnxwell, a lot of stuff isn't19:21
GAN8001Jaffa, OK, that sounds fine.19:21
RST38hunixSnob: this stuff is expensive19:21
johnxmeh, Japan imports a metric butt-load of stuff19:22
RST38hunixSnob: it does not flow out of the ground, you have to transport it by ship, store it, etc19:22
unixSnobYeah, economics are not always consistent with efficiency19:22
johnxmost of it expensive19:22
RST38hunixSnob: electricity you can make19:22
RST38hA nuclear reactor, even a small one, produces shitloads of electricity19:22
unixSnobusually by burning something.. what do the japanese power plants burn?19:22
johnxa lot of places use natural gas for heating...I don't because I'm a little paranoid19:22
unixSnobah19:23
RST38hIt actually produces heat too, and some Russian nuclear plants provide that heat to nearby cities19:23
johnxI could use kerosene too, but theirs that pesky "open flame...inside my apt" problem19:23
Naviapt-get remove open flame19:23
johnxI know there's plenty of nuclear plants19:23
johnxdunno which power source is the most prevalent19:24
GAN8001Jaffa, "Increasing transparency" or "Increase transparency"?19:24
unixSnobground loops are the most efficient if your temps aren't extreme19:24
RST38helectricity by source (in Japan):19:24
RST38h2001:19:24
RST38hcoal - 16.8%, Oil - 50.2%, Nuclear - 14.4%, Gas - 13.6% Hydro - 4%19:25
johnxan interestingly close split19:25
zaplots of oil19:25
unixSnobAnother good option is diesel.  A diesel engine makes enough heat in many cases, and the electric can be stored from that19:26
RST38hzap: it is 2001, oil was cheap19:26
Naviin 2005, Nuclear bumped up to 30%19:26
RST38hwell, figures19:26
johnxyes, unixSnob, I will put a nice big V8 diesel, in my livingroom/bedroom/computer room...I fold my freaking breakfast table and store it for free space >_>19:27
JaffaGAN8001: Hmm, erm, increas*ing*, I think.19:27
penguinbaitofftopic: anyone seen the new us miliatry "RAY GUN"19:27
penguinbaithttp://www.space.com/businesstechnology/070125_ap_ray_gun.html19:27
Naviplan was 37% in 200919:27
GAN8001OK, we can always move it later if need be.19:27
unixSnobhopefully that trend will continue Navi - nuclear is good for the global warming issue19:27
zapI heard some japan scientist succeeded to do cold termonuclear reaction19:27
RST38hzap: ACTR19:27
zapalthough that's not confirmed yet, but if so...19:27
RST38hEven YACTR19:27
zapYACTR - young adults of Christ the Redeemer Church19:28
zapdo you mean that?19:28
johnxthere are lots of interesting fusion reactions that can be created, but most don't produce usable electricity19:28
unixSnobjohnx: bury the diesel outside your apt when no one is looking, and setup a heat transfer19:28
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RST38hzap: Yet Another Cold Thermonuclear Reaction19:28
zap:)19:28
johnxunixSnob, I'll buy you a six-pack of kirin original (beer) if you help with the install and explain to the neighbors19:28
unixSnobjohnx: then start gathering waste oil from local restaraunts for biodiesel19:29
GAN8001Jaffa, https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Increasing_transparency19:29
unixSnoblol19:29
johnxhey, don't laugh, kirin's good stuff :P19:29
unixSnobbiodiesel is a buck a gallon, if you can get the waste oil for free19:29
dragornunixSnob: plus taxes.  In the US anyhow you're required to pay fuel taxes on any fuel you create.19:30
zapbiodiesel sucks19:30
unixSnobactually a grease burner would make more sense.. but you'd have to explain to the neighbors why your heater smells like mcdonalds19:30
RST38hwill probably get kicked in the butt by locla restaurant owners19:30
johnxunixSnob, also, my wife :P19:30
RST38hwill then be kicked out of his appartment by the landlord19:30
JaffaGAN8001: Ideally we'd tag this as being part of 100_Days, somehow19:30
unixSnoboffer the landlord a kickback19:31
unixSnobboot wife, write your own checks (always an option)19:31
RST38hunix: Maybe just use electric heater?19:31
GAN8001We _really_ need to get a team of template builders. . . .19:31
unixSnobyeah.. guess the electric heater doesn't sound so bad now19:31
johnxunixSnob, I *can't* write checks here! :P pay attention :D19:31
JaffaGAN8001: Presumably templates can be parameterised? I need to do some reading up19:31
johnxand actually it would be the "always smells like mcdonald's part that gets her not the johnx is playing with something dangerous again part :D19:32
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unixSnobIf you live around the odor, your olfactory senses would adapt19:33
unixSnobalthough some well designed waste oil burners will burn the byproducts as well, which is effectively clean19:34
GAN8001OK, Jaffa, tagged it. Needs an icon, better text, and probably a less "warning-like" background color.19:34
johnxnah...I think it would be more fun if you came over and we figured out how to bury a running diesel engine19:34
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unixSnobjohnx: just find a local rave promotor19:34
unixSnobRave promotors always have to bury gas generators19:35
johnxheh19:35
RST38hunixSnob: You are overlooking an important combustible power source19:35
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RST38hunixSnob: Dried fecal matter.19:35
unixSnobgood point19:35
RST38hAfter all, you already decided that the smell does not matter...19:36
unixSnobguess you'd bring in someone from Iceland for that19:36
johnxand Japan already has the most advanced toilets in the world19:36
unixSnobIcelanders supposedly barbeque with fecal matter19:36
RST38hjohnx: Here is a perfect direction for technological advancement!19:36
unixSnobjohnx: yeah, but aren't their toilets becoming more western19:36
GAN8001Somebody re-write this: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days#Increasing_transparency19:37
unixSnobWhen I was there, the US style toilets were more popular in homes19:37
johnxmore like western++19:37
johnxcomplete with integrated heater and bidet19:37
RST38hurgh19:37
unixSnobheater? for what?19:37
Navibutt warmer19:37
Navidur19:37
unixSnobcan't be19:37
johnxeh?19:37
Navi:D19:37
johnxwhy not unixSnob?19:38
RST38hwithout heater, it will get all iced over in winter =)19:38
johnxheh...almost O_o19:38
unixSnobthey overcomplicated it.. they should have just stuck to squatting19:38
unixSnobwhat a waste of energy19:38
johnxunixSnob, to borrow from slashdot: goodluckwiththat19:39
unixSnobI don't need to heat my ass when I dump19:39
NaviLol19:39
Navihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_toilets#Basic_features19:39
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GAN8001RST38h, I think Quim's idea with new wikipages is more of a planning thing and less of a final representation thing. Like, "what should be front and center so we can make it so?".19:39
NaviAdvanced features include heated seats19:39
johnxand it's not like anything could go horribly wrong: http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/16/totos-z-series-toilets-recalled-due-to-fire-hazard/19:39
RST38hGAN: Once again, I do not understand high-level things19:39
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Naviand a proxy sensor for automatic lid opening :P19:40
RST38hGAN: We have got the current documentation pages at maemo.org19:40
RST38hGAN: These are kind of hard to navigate although they are nicely classified (and this is why they are hard to navigate :))19:40
NaviI've always thought japanese toilets were pretty funny.19:40
unixSnobthe next step: bluetooth toilets, and personalized heat settings in maemo19:40
johnxunixSnob, someone has done it...I have no doubt19:41
RST38hGAN: Making 1 doc page for each OS version fixes this problem and it does not inflate this page too much (it will be 3-5 screenfulls at most)19:41
GAN8001RST38h, get to poking dneary to help focus the documentation organization.19:41
RST38hGAN: Creating more pages "as a planning thing" will lead to these pages staying in wiki forever and messing things up for people19:41
* Navi doesn't like to focus :oooo19:41
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johnxis anyone else having problems in diablo with app manager chaning some repositories from chinook to diablo?19:43
GAN8001. . .19:43
GAN8001Is the distribution field blank?19:43
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johnxin app manager? yeah19:45
GAN8001There's your answer. :P19:45
johnxright, and I didn't grasp that app manager keeps a list of repos separate from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list19:46
bhaskaranyone tried rotation with diablo ?19:46
johnxbhaskar, works fine19:46
johnxGAN8001, so I can change it there and app manager changes it back19:46
bhaskarJohnx:  tks19:47
johnxyou have to flash the rotation kernel of course19:47
GAN8001Blank distribution line == current distribution.19:47
bhaskarjohnx: i tried to boot without flash, but didn't work19:47
johnxok, but the problem is not honoring changes made to the file in sources.list.d19:48
johnxbhaskar, interesting..19:48
johnxI'll flash back to the rotation kernel, but it worked earlier for me19:48
GAN8001johnx, I've never had that issue that I can recall19:48
GAN8001Maybe it writes over on quit or something?19:48
johnxthat's what I think19:49
GAN8001Try closing Application manager, making the changes to the file and reopening?19:49
johnxthat's what I was having problems with19:49
johnxmaking the change while app manager is closed still leads to app manager not honoring that file, then writing back diablo instead of chinook19:50
johnxI'll write up a bug for it tomorrow...but for now, sleep19:52
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GAN8001'night19:52
johnxgood luck with the wiki19:53
GAN8001Hehe, thanks, I think I may need it.19:53
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GAN8001Jaffa, OK, I figured out the Main template19:58
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GAN8001It's {{{1}}}, {{{2}}} for {{main|1|2}}19:59
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GAN8001I still need somebody to write me decent summaries for https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days#Increasing_transparency and https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days#maemo.org20:01
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florianhi konttori20:01
konttorihi florian!20:02
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GAN8001What a brick: http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/gigabytes-m704-umpc-gets-reviewed-and-unboxed/20:10
johnxto be fair, it's a umpc not an mid20:11
GAN8001It's still a brick. :P20:11
johnxstill, I don't know how anyone holds something like that for any length of time20:11
glassit looks sorta nice. lacks gaming buttons tho20:12
GAN8001BRICK! :P20:12
glassand whats the waste of space on the kb..20:12
GAN8001That's a freaking VGA port on the bottom.20:12
glassyeah so20:12
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glassdifferent use20:13
glassit probably costs a bit too20:13
GAN8001Endurance training for your arms?20:14
lcuknuclear weapon shield20:14
glassone would probably have it against your leg or something if in a bus or so20:14
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johnxone would pretty much have to20:15
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glassthe kb/price are what kills it's market probably tho20:15
johnxbut then one would have trouble seeing the small screen (in my case at least)20:15
glassdunno. i wouldn't if i wear my glasses20:16
glassand if i dont' i'd have to keep it 5cm from my face anyways so20:16
johnxI'm picturing using a screen that size with it sitting on my lap...20:17
johnxI'd have to see it in person I guess, but I'm skeptical20:17
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johnxsad :( google translate can't translate google's own pages :/20:21
MangoFusionumpc's with crappy battery life (i.e. same or worse than laptops) just don't make sense to me :(20:21
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johnxthe umpc form factor (ie, bigger/heavier than an MID) doesn't make sense to me20:22
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lcukmmmm nVidia tegra: At its heart it combines an 800MHz ARM processor with GeForce graphics...   lots of battery life.   would prefer that over intel offering20:26
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mgedminnvidia -> no docs, no free drivers20:27
mgedminkinda like what you already have with the povervr20:27
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lcukexactly, but i dont like intel and have nvidia (and amd) here.  if i can cut out amd (for being evil and not buying nvidia..) then i am ok20:28
GAN800I don't buy their numbers.20:29
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GAN800Seems like somebodt dropped an extra zero in there or they're taling MID formfactor with laptop sized battery.20:30
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GAN800Either way, I'll stick to an established player and platform (i.e. TI and OMAP) for now, thanks. ;)20:31
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lcukwell arm+geforce are pretty established, we just haven't tasted their soda yet.20:36
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mgedminhow's the power usage?20:37
mgedminI had the impression this was intel's strong side20:37
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GAN800GeForce in the context of desktop rigs, not mobile devices. ;)20:37
wolfspiritcurious.. what OS/distro are most of you running on your nokia?  OS2007, OS2008, straight debian, etc.20:37
glasstheorectic battery use isn't worth much, without knowing all the stuff that the thing will need too20:37
GAN800OS200820:37
mgedminARM on a desktop?20:38
penguinbait08 with KDE20:38
AnunakinOS2008, OS2008 w/ KDE on microSD and Debian trial BOOT20:40
mgedminjust OS200820:41
wolfspirithow is booting from an SD?  I would imagine it might be kind of unstable.. there has been a couple of times where the internal memory card "blinked" for a second20:42
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GAN8001It's fine, wolfspirit.20:45
GAN8001Marginally faster than booting from the flash.20:45
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* unixSnob ran osso_pdfviewer filename.pdf and pdf viewer did not open the document.. what am I missing?20:47
lcukdoesnt that depend upon the speed class of mmc used?20:47
unixSnobs/am I/is he/20:47
GAN8001lcuk, unless you're buying exceptionally shitty SD cards. . . .20:48
mgedminunixSnob: maemo-launcher sillyness20:48
lcukGAN8001, i meant the opposite, if you buy a class 6 isnt that noticably faster than the internal20:49
mgedminthe pdf viewer only processes dbus requests to open a file20:49
GAN8001lcuk, no.20:49
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GAN8001Maybe in booting20:49
GAN8001But not in regular usage.20:49
GAN8001and I'm pretty sure we can attribute the booting speed to jffs2 nonsense.20:49
lcukfile access on the whole would be faster, ie if all my dev libraries and headers were on faster card when i compile it should be faster20:49
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hrhrwho know, where I can download latest firmware for n810 without requesting wlan adress?20:50
* unixSnob searches for 'dbus'20:50
GAN8001hrhr, maybe tpb20:50
hrhrtpb?20:50
GAN8001Why don't you want to give the wlan, though>20:50
lcukhrhr, why do you need the firmware without a wlan address?20:50
GAN8001?20:50
hrhrmy n810 will shiped to me in friday, I want download now =)20:51
lcukbut by friday the new image might be out :) have patience young NIT user20:51
mgedminhrhr: try searching for a torrent of the image20:52
mgedminthen when you get the device, download the md5sums from the official site with your wlan id and check that you got a good image20:52
hrhrmgedmin: what the name of it?20:52
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GAN8001New google favicons.20:52
mgedminI believe the filename is present in the "download the os image" link on maemo.org/downloads20:52
mgedminRX-44-something20:53
mgedminno20:53
mgedminmaybe that was a wiki?20:53
mgedminRX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin20:53
mrglinuxare there any know ..can i have n810 from china ... because i asked from dubai (AE) they didn't have.. do you think can i find from china ?20:53
hrhrwhere I can read about structure of firmware for modifying it ?20:54
GAN8001maemo.org20:54
mgedminthere was a howto on the wiki20:54
lcukhrhr, you really dont sound like you want it for your just about to arrive new device20:54
mgedminhow to modify the root fs20:54
mgedminor something20:54
mgedminwhat other uses are there for it?20:55
lcukjust come out and tell us what you need to extract from the image20:55
lcuk:P20:55
mrglinuxnobody hasn't no idea ?20:55
mgedminmrglinux: it's hard to understand your question20:55
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lcukmrglinux, i dont know which countries the 810 is available in, try searching nokia site20:55
mgedmindo you want to buy a n810, and don't know where you can do that?20:56
hrhranyone are from Russia here?20:56
mrglinuxmgedmin: exactly .. and i can just buy from dubai (that they didn't have) and china that i hope find that20:56
mgedminmrglinux: http://www.nseries.com/index.html#l=shop has a list of online shops20:58
mgedminthe shop for mainland china doesn't list the n810 :(20:58
mrglinuxand i said it's better to ask here.. maybe someone bought from china and they guide me20:58
mgedminI had to get a friend in the US buy mine, and a coworker who was traveling to the US to bring it over20:59
mgedminI had to wait a few months :(20:59
mrglinuxmgedmin it's not important online shop doesn't have.. i can buy from shop..but i be certain i can find that20:59
mrglinuxwhy it is the status of this tablet ?21:00
hrhrAre all n810 built in Finland or not?21:00
mrglinuxit limited number21:00
GAN8001Finland and Korea21:01
unixSnobwhat's ironic is these things are probably made in China xD21:01
hrhrGAN8001: what difference?21:01
GAN8001None21:01
hrhrquality?21:01
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GAN8001unixSnob, no, Korea and Finland.21:01
unixSnobhmm.. nope, actually made in korea21:02
GAN8001None that I've ever been able to find or heard reported, hrhr21:02
hrhrGAN8001: thx21:02
mrglinuxGAN8001: why nokia has not bring in reseller in other country .. (specially famous country and city like dubai ) ?21:02
hrhrhow persent of devices have dead pixels?21:02
GAN8001None that I've ever heard of, hrhr.21:03
GAN8001You likely wouldn't be able to tell if there were, anyway. 225ppi21:03
GAN8001mrglinux, Asian is largely unsupported by Nokia at this point.21:04
hrhrgood...and one thing...what quality of slider n810?21:04
mgedminone of my 770s had a live blue pixel21:05
hrhrno info about hacking firmwares on wiki at maemo.org =(21:05
GAN8001hrhr, what do you want to do?21:05
unixSnobI've heard most Asian PDAs and phones are linux-based.. so perhaps Nokia doesn't want to compete in that market21:05
GAN8001We could probably help you if you stated your intentions.21:06
mrglinuxGAN8001: but i think dubai is different .. china too .. most product of nokia has made in china..  and each product have you thought find in dubai but just this product doesn't .. and i dont know why is that status21:06
hrhrGAN8001: I want to understand how to separate in kernel root and other parts21:06
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GAN8001hrhr, ./flasher-3.0 -F <FIASCO image> -u21:07
mgedminhrhr: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/modifyingrootimage/21:07
GAN8001mrglinux, the platform doesn't have great support for Asian languages right now.21:07
keesjX-Fade: launchpad sounds good21:07
hrhrthx, will read =)21:07
mgedminit is a bit old...21:08
mgedminbut the principle is the same21:08
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mgedminflasher can unpack the fiasco image into parts, one of which is the jffs2 root filesystem image21:08
mgedmina 64MB fake MTD device will be too small for OS200821:09
mgedminand you may need to fiddle with kernel options to have it reserve enough ram for 128MB images21:09
mgedminby 'kernel options' I mean the kernel command line21:09
mgedminyou'll know if you get errors trying to modprobe the mtd device21:10
hrhrI know how read jffs,thx21:10
mrglinuxGAN8001: but i read about n810 and it was said support arabic too.. also the os is linux .. and linux need some future to support another language .. and now we can ask why NOKIA hasn't supported asian language and i don't think so border it to add this future on it21:10
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hrhrand after modifying I can build with flasher helps new firmware image?21:12
GAN8001mrglinux, 3rd party asian language support is sorta there in a half-baked sort of way, but official support isn't.21:12
GAN8001mrglinux, they're moving towards it (Diablo has much better built-in support as far as I can tell).21:12
GAN8001but it's not there yet.21:12
GAN8001They have limited resources to accomplish certain things, and asian language support hasn't been super high up on that list of things.21:13
lcuksure it is, but its a long list :)21:13
mrglinuxit's so bad21:13
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GAN8001mrglinux, and don't extrapolate experience with Nokia and maemo to Linux as a whole.21:15
mrglinuxGAN8001: what do you mean?21:16
hrhrone man seeding firmware on TPB =)21:16
GAN8001"also the os is linux .. and linux need some future to support another language .. "21:17
GAN8001Linux isn't the issue.21:17
GAN8001Nokia's asian language support is.21:17
hrhrcan I boot different kernel from sd card with root on sd and all stuff?21:19
mrglinuxhmm...21:19
Italodanceummm what's it? http://benaneely.googlepages.com/img_1520.jpg21:19
GAN8001vnc, Italodance.21:20
Italodancevnc player for n800?21:20
GAN8001hrhr, read up on fanoush's initfs21:20
Italodanceit's like a winamp cool21:20
GAN8001No, Italodance, look up vnc21:20
Italodanceoh21:21
GAN8001It's like RemoteDesktop21:21
ItalodanceGAN8001 can it install on my n800?21:21
wizashit, trying to install mplayer buy repository is down :(21:21
GAN8001vncviewer21:21
wizaor least I think it is21:21
hrhrit's remote x app throught ssh21:21
GAN8001Working fine here, wiza.21:21
ItalodanceGAN8001 vncviewer is just for remote or player too?21:21
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GAN8001Italodance, again, look up vnc21:22
GAN8001It has nothing to do with music playback.21:22
Italodanceok21:22
ItalodanceGAN8001 do u know a cool app like winamp for n800?21:22
hrhrall: any expirience with build sdk on gentoo for ver. 2008?21:23
unixSnobItalodance: canola21:23
GAN8001There's only about a thousand media player apps, Italodance: http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/multimedia/21:23
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ItalodanceunixSnob no i want an equalizer21:24
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Italodancemms didn't install well on my n80021:24
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mrglinuxwhat is your mind about this picture ? http://www.lessaid.net/fun/apt-get-wife.png  :-D ?21:26
Italodancehello mrglinux21:27
Italodancekhobi to?21:27
mrglinuxItalodance hi..21:27
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mrglinuxItalodance can speak persian ?21:27
Italodancelol baba toham keh hafezeh nadari21:28
mrglinux**you21:28
mrglinuxItalodance ahan21:28
mrglinuxsalam21:28
mrglinuxItalodance i remember you now21:28
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Italodanceplease tell me someone mms can install on os2008? without x-term just a normal install21:29
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Italodance<mrglinux> GAN8001: why nokia has not bring in reseller in other country .. (specially famous country and city like dubai ) ?  lol21:30
mrglinuxItalodance: i ask my friend to buy n810 from dubai but he searched from some big store and he couldn't find ..  what do you think ?21:30
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Italodancemrglinux to technotux21:30
hrhrhave the n810 hard reset function?21:32
mgedminhrhr: reflashing the OS image is the equivalent of a hard reset21:33
mgedminItalodance: what's mms?21:33
GAN8001xmms21:34
mgedminoh ghod, is that beast still alive?21:34
mgedmingtk 1.2 yuckery21:34
hrhrmgedmin: how about magic combo with formatting something21:35
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mgedminhrhr: nope21:35
hrhrok21:35
hrhrhow I can kill n810 wih reflashing?21:36
hrhr*with21:36
mgedminpull the cable in the middle21:36
mgedminhave the battery run out in the middle21:36
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puffandstuffhello21:36
puffandstuffi'm running sbox-CHINOOK_X86 and trying to intall new applications21:36
mgedminhrhr: I think it's pretty hard to really kill a n810 while reflashing21:37
mgedminmaybe if you flash the boot loader and that fails21:37
puffandstuffi would like to kno where are located the default displayed forlders : audio clips, documents etc21:37
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GAN800It can only be killed if the NOLO flash gets screwed up.21:37
mgedminpuffandstuff: ~/MyDocs/21:37
hrhrmgedmin: in zaurus world it's realy hard, but I not know how it in n810 =)21:37
GAN800and that window of opportunity is significantly shorter than a second.21:38
mgedminin directories cleverly named .sounds, .documents, .video21:38
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mgedminGAN800: I think someone said today or yesterday that the initfs was also needed for reflashing21:38
mgedminI hope that's wrong21:38
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GAN8001mgedmin, they're wrong.21:39
GAN8001Just NOLO.21:39
GAN8001I know fanoush wouldn't be cavalier about distributing an initfs flasher if that were the case. ;)21:40
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GAN8001Still trying to talk somebody into improving the summaries for this https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days#Increasing_transparency and this https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days#maemo.org Just use the information from the main articles.21:41
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puffandstuffmgedmin, sorry i didnt understand21:45
* mgedmin blinks21:46
mgedmindo you know what ~ means in linux systems?21:46
mgedminit's a shortcut for the home directory21:46
mgedminso ~/MyDocs would be /home/user/MyDocs in scratchbox21:47
mgedminand inside you'll find the audio clips, documents and other folders21:47
mgedminbut those are hidden (i.e. their names start with a .)21:47
mgedminuse ls -A to see them21:47
puffandstuffmgedmin,  i agree MyDocs is a part of posix21:47
mgedminwhat?  I'm pretty sure the POSIX standard never mentions the name 'MyDocs'21:47
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hrhrneed I protect cover for n810 screen?21:48
GAN8001hrhr, I recommend a screen protector21:48
GAN8001I like the Boxwave anti-glare21:48
GAN8001Good texture, help a lot with glare.21:48
puffandstuffmgedmin, do you know what 'ironic' is ? thanks btw for your answer (i'm trying to read any paper i can find about maemo i'm not asking to piss you)21:49
hrhrGAN8001: ok,thx21:49
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GAN800mgedmin, O_o ??21:49
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* mgedmin blinks21:51
mgedminwell that was a bit weird21:51
mgedminI shall go and look up 'ironic' in a dictionary21:51
GAN800Ha21:51
wolfspirithas anyone been able to get golden sun working on vgba?21:51
GAN800I doubt you'll find his definition anywhere in there. :P21:51
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JaffaGAN80001: Comments welcome: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days#Community-led_action_plan_process22:15
X-FadeJaffa: I moved some of the styling to CSS, do you want me to move more?22:16
JaffaX-Fade: wherever possible, that'd be great - as we're bound to use it in more than one place.22:16
X-FadeProbably ;)22:17
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GAN8001Jaffa, seems fine. Be a little clearer/more verbose on the purpose and intentions though.22:20
GAN8001We need a strong community leader.22:22
keesjindeed22:22
* Jaffa thinks he's just volunteered :-)22:24
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keesjGAN8001 is not nokian?22:25
GAN8001Ah, excellent, Jaffa.22:25
JaffaNo, good point - maybe GAN8001 just volunteered ;-)22:25
wolfspirithas anyone ever got awt with java working on an nit?22:25
GAN8001Definitely not, keesj. :P22:25
* GAN8001 doesn't want it!22:25
keesjI would vote for Jaffa22:25
GAN8001Ditto22:25
X-FadeGAN8001 has too much fun without the burdon/hassle ;)22:25
GAN8001^^^^^^^22:26
GAN8001I do not I want, not what I'm obligated to. :P22:26
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GAN8001X-Fade, can you delete the "Donations" link from the sidebar on the mediawiki?22:27
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Croftonhey, I have kind of an emergency question22:28
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CroftonMy friend jsut bought a N810 to bicycle across the US with22:28
Croftonand it won't boot (and he is on slow internet)22:28
GAN8001Reboot loop or low battery?22:29
Croftonbasicaly, the blue progress bar goes across the bottom all the way and then stops22:29
CroftonHe says he has it plugged in22:29
Croftonhe just bought this, did he ned to update sw r something?22:30
X-FadeGAN8001: If I knew how ;) Mediawiki:Sidebar does not have the Donations link in there. It is something that gets added automatically?22:30
X-FadeDo we need the community portal link btw?22:30
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GAN8001Crofton, it probably didn't ship with the most recent firmware22:30
GAN8001though that really wouldn't have anything to do with booting issues.22:31
CroftonI'm not sure22:31
Croftonhe bought it a week ago and has been doing great22:31
keesjJaffa: more seriousely. the wiki pages are already to much for me to gasp.22:31
GAN8001X-Fade, no, probably not.22:31
Croftonnow he is at his in-laws and gets on a train to the west coast tomorrow :)22:31
keesjCrofton: tel him to invest his time on http://www.obico.de/ so he will be happy next year22:32
GAN8001Crofton, he should just flash it.22:32
Croftonheh22:32
Croftonapparently "dial up" is involved22:32
GAN8001Ouch22:32
Croftoncrap, I wish this had happened before he left town22:33
GAN8001Uh, well, he could bike out to a McDonalds, download the firmware there, then bring it back to flash. . . .22:33
GAN8001The Windows flasher allows you to pick a local file, right?22:33
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GAN8001keesj, you mean the mediawiki syntax or the brainstorm pages?22:34
keesjyes , that single 10 day page22:35
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keesjI need to be fed one item at the time22:35
GAN8001It's a little busy22:36
Croftonare the 810 updates at maemo.org?22:36
GAN8001I was trying to pull things off into separate pages.22:36
GAN8001Crofton, tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php22:36
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X-FadeGAN8001: I have cleaned up the sidebar.22:36
keesjGAN8001: that is a very bad idea IMHO22:36
GAN8001keesj, recommended by Quim and others. :P22:36
GAN8001Leave a summary on the main page and pull the nitty gritty off into a "main" article.22:37
GAN8001Like: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days#Increasing_transparency22:37
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GAN8001X-Fade, think there should be some links to maemo.org proper in the sidebar?22:38
keesjI did not wat to give non positive energy22:38
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X-FadeGAN8001: Yes, but what shoud it say? maemo.org -> http://maemo.org ? :)22:39
X-Fade*should22:39
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GAN8001[http://www.maemo.org/ maemo.org]22:40
GAN8001Maybe Bugzilla, Downloads and Garage, too?22:40
CroftonHe re-seated the SD card and it booted22:40
GAN8001Crofton, orly?22:40
GAN8001Interesting. . . .22:40
CroftonI told him to get this, so it better work :)22:40
Croftonin a few weeks he should see a friedn with fast internet22:40
X-FadeGAN8001: I think I could better make a big template for the wiki so it has the same head as maemo.org?22:40
Croftonthis is their principle communication device for three months22:40
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GAN8001X-Fade, I was thinking about that the other day22:41
Croftonhttp://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/page/?o=3Tzut&page_id=77478&v=622:42
CroftonN810 mention at the end22:42
GAN8001Yes, I think it would probably be good to integrate it into the site better.22:42
GAN8001Though there is a certain warm familiarity to the basic mediawiki layout.22:42
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leandroalhello... is farsight 2 available for maemo?22:43
X-FadeSure, but we would only have the head. The rest stays MediaWiki like..22:43
GAN8001X-Fade, see here for how NOT to go about it, anyway. ;) http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page22:43
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X-FadeGAN8001: Ugh...22:43
GAN8001lol22:43
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Tester_leandroal: not yet officially22:44
Tester_it should build and work22:44
Tester_if you have a recent enough gstreamer22:44
leandroalTester_, thank you for the answer. Since it is possible to test and make it work in maemo, where can I obtain more information to do this?22:45
GAN8001X-Fade, be nice if you could drop the mediawiki sidebar completely if you add the maemo.org header to the top.22:46
GAN8001The two Search boxes will be bad, anyway, I think.22:46
Tester_leandroal: hmm... you ask me... (here or in #farsight) what exactly do you want to do?22:46
X-FadeGAN8001: Or make it real simple like: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php22:46
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GAN8001Oh, wow, this new?22:47
X-FadeNo, I have announced that some time ago.22:47
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GAN8001Yes, I remember now.22:47
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X-FadeI improved it some more. I will probably need to blog about it again ;)22:47
GAN8001Anyway, yeah, looks fine.22:47
leandroalTester_, I want to execute that example of videoconference into the device22:48
mgedminhi, jott22:48
leandroalTester_, fs2-gui.py22:48
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X-FadeGAN8001: I did the same trick for search.maemo.org. Which is a google search box.22:48
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GAN8001Where is dneary hiding?22:50
GAN8001I want the midgard wiki killed dead already.22:51
X-FadeI haven't seen him online today.22:51
X-Fadebtw, did anyone see lardman online today?22:51
X-FadeIt is his birthday.22:51
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pupnik_it's surprising any of us are online22:52
X-Fadepupnik_: It wasn't that much beer ;)22:52
GAN8001Ha22:53
* mgedmin almost caught up with his mail & blogs22:53
GAN8001X-Fade, did rm_you ever actually manage to get ahold of you?22:53
hrwmorning22:53
pupnik_hey X-Fade got any pics?22:54
hrwpupnik_: hi22:54
hrwwhen release?22:54
ImMelody'erro22:54
pupnik_heya hrw22:54
pupnik_i'd love pics of the pizza night in the tiergarten22:54
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Tester_ah that should work if you have all of the proper packages... newer gst, recent enough pygst, etc22:55
leandroalTester_, so, I just need to build farsight 2 in the scratchbox?22:56
pupnik_release what hrw?22:56
Tester_yes22:56
Tester_get the git trunk22:56
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Tester_but you need all the update gst/etc22:56
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hrwpupnik_: nothing - wrong window22:57
leandroalTester_, good! ;)22:57
leandroalI will try22:57
leandroalthank you...22:57
leandroal:)22:57
X-FadeGAN8001: Nope..22:58
GAN8001Haha22:58
GAN8001He must've highlighted you damn near a hundred times.22:58
X-Fadepupnik_: A few. Noting much..22:58
X-FadeGAN8001: When?22:58
GAN8001Before you got back from LinuxTag22:59
GAN8001See the logs from Thursday to Sunday22:59
X-FadeAh, well I had a 2 day away from PC weekend..22:59
X-FadeSo I still have to catch up :)22:59
mgedminsmart22:59
GAN8001You probably have something like 200 highlights in there from rm_you and others.22:59
X-FadeWhat was it about?23:00
GAN8001It was "highlight X-Fade as many times as possible" weekend. :P23:00
andre___harhar23:00
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GAN8001I kept bugging him about getting adv-backlight Extras, so he started trying to bug you about Extras.23:00
GAN8001We got a few in on andre___, too. :D23:00
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andre___yeah, but i was only away for two days :)23:00
X-FadeAh I see a lot of pokes.23:01
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andre___and i normally shut down my computer when not here :)23:01
X-FadeBut no actual questions? :)23:01
GAN8001He just wants access.23:01
X-FadeTo? extras?23:02
GAN8001The rest of them were just me saying how awesome the work on the website was going. ;)23:02
GAN8001Yeah23:02
X-FadeWhy doesn't he then just follow the instructions? :)23:02
GAN8001Dunno, but feel free to make fun of him for it.23:03
X-FadeOr even better: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php?target=invitation_request :)23:03
X-FadeNo need to even type the email anymore ;)23:03
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GAN8001Can I file on his behalf?23:05
X-FadeGAN8001: Nah, just let him poke me some more ;)23:05
GAN8001Haha23:06
X-FadeNo, it will fill in your info in the mail.23:06
GAN8001More than what I see onscreen?23:06
GAN8001I can't just replace generalantilles with rm_you?23:06
X-FadeYes, email etc..23:06
GAN8001OK, good to know.23:06
X-FadeSo the admins can just hit reply ;)23:06
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* GAN8001 was all set to impersonate everybody.23:07
X-FadeWhich would be me, I'm lazy  :D23:07
GAN8001Lazy! Woo!23:07
* GAN8001 high-fives X-Fade23:07
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X-FadeOnly lazy when a better solution in available though.23:07
skiburanybody have a eblogger page?23:07
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skiburI mean a blogger page23:10
X-FadeYep, I do.23:10
skiburmay I see it?  trying to recreate a decent blog page23:10
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X-Fadehttp://communitizer.blogspot.com/23:11
X-FadeYeah, I know. A lot of dots :)23:12
skiburthanks23:12
GAN8001That sidebar is so huge23:12
ZOm81eHi all, is anyone able to explain this error regarding disk being 'too big for this kernel' http://pastebin.com/m140cc17c23:12
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X-FadeGAN8001: Yeah, but it makes your content look bigger ;)23:12
GAN8001<_<23:13
ZOm81ethe device is a n770 running clean install from latest nokia release23:13
X-FadeGAN8001: On a wide page it is only 4 lines ;)23:13
X-FadeGAN8001: On my 1920x1200 screen, I can fit the entire blog post on one line orso :)23:13
penguinbaithow big is the disk?23:13
GAN8001Horizontal scrolling in windowed mode on the tablet23:13
GAN8001SHUN!23:13
X-FadeGAN8001: Yeah, but I think I can better use the time to make maemo better.23:14
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GAN8001What an excuse. . . .23:14
ZOm81epenguinbait its a 60 gig disk in a usb caddy, I have a hub with the 5v wired across to the host port and the 770 in host mode23:14
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pupnik_lcuk ping23:16
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penguinbaitI used a 500GB disk usb to my 800 and it worked great23:16
pupnik_X-Fade: can i ask you a question?23:16
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ZOm81eyeah I have had this disk in there once before, same model of hub with same wiring and it was ok but I blew that hub up and now it doesn't work with this new one, i'm not sure if its the hub or the device23:17
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JaffaX-Fade: is the mediawiki's "Subscribe to changes" supposed to work? I've not got anything through.23:19
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X-FadeJaffa: I haven't had any mails from it at least. And I subscribed too.23:20
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X-FadeBut I do see the list of changes that I have subscribed to.23:21
ZOm81ehmm I removed wire from hub and plugged into PC instead and the disk just spins up and down a lot, maybe hub is bust23:22
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X-Fadebbtm23:25
penguinbaitI used this hub on my 770, years ago when I had a 77023:27
penguinbaithttp://www.pcworld.com/shopping/detail/prtprdid,17307927-sortby,retailer/specs.html23:27
penguinbaitI did not have to cross any wires, I just used a usb cable with an extra usb power conector on it23:28
ZOm81epenguinbait thanks may get one23:29
ZOm81eyeah got it, the crap psu on the hub can't provide enough power23:31
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ZOm81ewith the extra flying usb wire in my laptop giving the power its fine23:33
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JaffaGAN8001: tried to firm up the text a bit, don't want to impose my will too much too soon: a) it won't get traction, b) I'm often wrong :-)23:37
penguinbaityou too23:38
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GAN8001Jaffa, initiative is good. ;)23:41
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GAN8001So, wikipedia has WikiProjects for organizing work on certain facets of the wiki, what about something similar (but much smaller in scale and more generic) for us on wikimaemo? To have a centralized place to go for work on the wiki.23:50
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