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| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, maemo kernel config for CONFIG_USB_OTG_WHITELIST=y ! | 00:19 |
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| hrw|gone | it rejects my usb hubs :( | 00:19 |
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| darren_ | Does anyone know anything about where OS2008 stores the networking information e.g. nameservers etc when it makes a connection through WLAN? | 00:49 |
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| gnuton | darren_: in /etc? | 00:53 |
| darren_ | well the file /etc/resolv.conf is empty | 00:54 |
| darren_ | and there does not seem to be any other variatins of /etc/resolv.conf | 00:54 |
| GAN800 | gconf, probably. | 00:54 |
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| Tama^2 | >.< | 01:45 |
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| glass | at least it's not in color | 01:45 |
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| summatusmentis | what do people use for IDE's in maemo? | 02:01 |
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| Navi | Nothin' | 02:06 |
| Navi | plain vim for me | 02:06 |
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| Tama^2 | I thought you created patches with cat and applied them to existing files (blindfolded and with one hand tied behind your back) | 02:07 |
| Navi | Lol | 02:08 |
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| Johnny5 | Bah. Copy the files to a good old fashioned 8" floppy disk, and rewrote the files with a small magnet clamped to a metal-barrel pen? | 02:13 |
| * Johnny5 violated so many rules of English in that sentence that it's nearly unintelligible. | 02:13 | |
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| Johnny5 | s/Copy/I thought you copied/ | 02:13 |
| infobot | Johnny5 meant: Bah. I thought you copied the files to a good old fashioned 8" floppy disk, and rewrote the files with a small magnet clamped to a metal-barrel pen? | 02:13 |
| Johnny5 | ... | 02:13 |
| Johnny5 | Nice bot. | 02:13 |
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| summatusmentis | plain vim makes reading through an ~4k line source file hardish | 02:18 |
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| Anunakin | Johnx: You here? | 02:37 |
| Anunakin | I just... compiled and tested keylaunch ... and using it to emulate mouse right and left clicks ... on maemo ... I think this must works on Debian too... | 02:41 |
| Anunakin | I tested under KDE on maemo... :-) | 02:42 |
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| summatusmentis | hmm... is there a way to have an app from the debian chroot interact with maemo as though it's a maemo app? A file manager for instance | 02:47 |
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| GAN800 | You mean the open/close dialog or filetype handling? | 02:50 |
| GAN800 | open/save | 02:50 |
| summatusmentis | like... thundar, working on the maemo /, instead of the bian one | 02:51 |
| Anunakin | I just building packages | 02:53 |
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| summatusmentis | s/bian/debian/ | 02:58 |
| infobot | summatusmentis meant: like... thundar, working on the maemo /, instead of the debian one | 02:58 |
| summatusmentis | s/thundar/thunar/ | 02:58 |
| infobot | summatusmentis meant: like... thunar, working on the maemo /, instead of the bian one | 02:58 |
| summatusmentis | no, stupid bot, that's not what I meant | 02:58 |
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| briand | uh uh uh | 03:02 |
| manyoso | when logged into scratchbox sdk... how do i compile sources that are on my regular source machine?? | 03:02 |
| briand | s/u/du/g | 03:02 |
| infobot | briand meant: duh duh duh | 03:02 |
| manyoso | or how do i even copy those sources so they are visible inside a scratchbox term? | 03:03 |
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| briand | copy them to the scratchbox pseudo-home directory? | 03:03 |
| manyoso | briand: where is this? | 03:04 |
| manyoso | /scratchbox/users/USER/home/USER or so? | 03:05 |
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| manyoso | ok, so i can move sources to the scratchbox environment like that... but can i shares sources from the host computer with the scratchbox environment? | 03:09 |
| briand | well, they'd have to be able to be found within the scratchbox... | 03:10 |
| briand | meaning, it won't find anything outside the scratchbox "root" | 03:10 |
| manyoso | right, so is there some way of setting up a shared folder or something? | 03:11 |
| manyoso | so that they can be seen inside of the scratchbox root? | 03:12 |
| manyoso | i hate copying sources over | 03:12 |
| briand | i haven't tried it... but i doubt a link (ln -s) would work, as the link would be interpreted by the scratchbox, which couldn't find any files outside of the scratchbox root, either... | 03:13 |
| manyoso | no symbolic links don't work | 03:13 |
| briand | well, you *could* put the physical source files within the scratchbox environment, and use symbolic links to their other "location" outside of the scratchbox for the host box to access... | 03:16 |
| briand | that would prevent the copying of files... but isn't necessarily intuitive or convenient, as a development environment... | 03:17 |
| manyoso | right | 03:17 |
| Johnny5 | You could also probably do a hard link | 03:17 |
| manyoso | vmware has a nice way of sharing folders with host computer... so sources can be shared | 03:17 |
| manyoso | hmm... maybe a hard link | 03:18 |
| manyoso | oh wait | 03:19 |
| manyoso | hard links can't link to a directory so that is not a solution | 03:20 |
| summatusmentis | manyoso: only if you've got vmware tools installed | 03:21 |
| manyoso | summatusmentis: sure, but htat is no hindrance | 03:22 |
| manyoso | man, this is tough | 03:22 |
| manyoso | you can't share sources it seems | 03:22 |
| manyoso | that is going to make for a really inconvenient dev environment | 03:22 |
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| summatusmentis | manyoso: no hindrance, unless you're on some debian thing, that hates vmware-tools :) | 03:22 |
| manyoso | summatusmentis: i'm using debian and it works... | 03:23 |
| summatusmentis | really? it might just be 64bit | 03:23 |
| manyoso | dunno | 03:24 |
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| Johnny5 | How about writing a quick bash script to copy the stuff to the sandbox, and making a button in your IDE to launch that script? | 03:26 |
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| unixSnob | I've been going to xterm and unmounting mmc cards before removing them.. because I'm not sure if some write caching could be behind and cause corruption | 05:10 |
| GAN800 | It bitches at you if it's working. | 05:12 |
| unixSnob | that's good.. but I guess at that point, it's too late, right? | 05:12 |
| GAN800 | When the door is open. | 05:13 |
| GAN800 | Not when the card is removed | 05:13 |
| unixSnob | ah, nice.. I didn't realize it could sense the door of the "removeable" card | 05:13 |
| GAN800 | it's got a magnet | 05:13 |
| GAN800 | always has for all cards on all tablets. | 05:14 |
| unixSnob | cool.. that's the same as the internal card | 05:14 |
| GAN800 | Try starting a write and watching it bitch at you when you open the door | 05:14 |
| GAN800 | or watch dmesg | 05:14 |
| unixSnob | makes good sense.. I thought the door on the removeable card was excessive | 05:15 |
| unixSnob | (until now) | 05:15 |
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| ImMelody | have any of you tried out maemomyth? | 05:29 |
| GAN800 | ImMelody, you see the wifi applet source bug? :p | 05:30 |
| ImMelody | huh? | 05:31 |
| GAN800 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3195 | 05:31 |
| ImMelody | oh! no I didn't! | 05:32 |
| GAN800 | Vote! :D | 05:32 |
| ImMelody | Thanks so much! | 05:36 |
| GAN800 | Nothing's likely to come of it, but maybe we'll make some progress when we get moving on the open/closed table for the wiki. | 05:37 |
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| summatusmentis | GAN800: se, it's small things like teh magnetic door that make this so much better than my old Z | 05:50 |
| Navi | Lies | 05:50 |
| summatusmentis | no lies, trufs | 05:52 |
| summatusmentis | n810 > C3200 | 05:52 |
| GAN800 | No, 810 < 3200 | 05:53 |
| GAN800 | Silly non-mathematician. | 05:53 |
| summatusmentis | no, but see, n = 4, C=1/3 | 05:53 |
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| |penguinbait| | e = mc 2 | 06:00 |
| summatusmentis | also true | 06:00 |
| GAN800 | penguinbait, put a bomb in your next tablet. | 06:01 |
| |penguinbait| | #$!$#@ | 06:01 |
| |penguinbait| | booooomb | 06:01 |
| GAN800 | 'Oh, you like your new tablet then? BOOM!' | 06:02 |
| |penguinbait| | when will n900 be out :) | 06:02 |
| GAN800 | Hopefully before next year. :/ | 06:02 |
| GAN800 | or I'm going to be pissed. | 06:02 |
| |penguinbait| | I am back on my 800, and its driving me mad | 06:03 |
| |penguinbait| | I just really want to type with my thumbs? | 06:03 |
| GAN800 | Ha | 06:03 |
| GAN800 | N810 sucks anyway | 06:04 |
| summatusmentis | nuh uh! | 06:04 |
| GAN800 | Do so then. | 06:04 |
| summatusmentis | <3 n810 | 06:04 |
| GAN800 | Fullscreen keyboard. . . . | 06:04 |
| |penguinbait| | me to sum | 06:04 |
| |penguinbait| | I am the the onscreen thumbboard | 06:04 |
| |penguinbait| | hehe | 06:04 |
| |penguinbait| | I hate the onscreen thumbboard | 06:04 |
| GAN800 | Set dpad to acticate osk | 06:04 |
| GAN800 | Faik | 06:04 |
| GAN800 | l | 06:04 |
| GAN800 | it's the best. :P | 06:05 |
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| summatusmentis | and now I can have my internet back! | 06:05 |
| summatusmentis | my ubuntu torrent finished downloading | 06:05 |
| |penguinbait| | I have nokia bt keyboard, and a iblue gps, so really its better than my 810 | 06:05 |
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| |penguinbait| | yeah right :( | 06:05 |
| GAN800 | I do about 40-60 wpm on osk | 06:06 |
| summatusmentis | I like the slight ridges on the keys on the n810, so I know where one key starts, and the other ends | 06:07 |
| |penguinbait| | I used to use handwriting recognition, but I have a nice scratch in my 800, so I hunt and peck with the stylus | 06:07 |
| GAN800 | lame | 06:07 |
| |penguinbait| | I wish it had braces { } | 06:07 |
| summatusmentis | eek! scratches? | 06:07 |
| summatusmentis | it does, in the char picker | 06:07 |
| summatusmentis | but I assume you know that | 06:08 |
| |penguinbait| | pocket with keys | 06:08 |
| |penguinbait| | doh! | 06:08 |
| summatusmentis | do you not case your n800? | 06:08 |
| |penguinbait| | I was very happy to upgrade to my 810 :( | 06:08 |
| summatusmentis | what happened to it? why're you on the n800? | 06:08 |
| GAN800 | Pocket with keys. . . . | 06:08 |
| |penguinbait| | I used to just put in my pocket | 06:08 |
| |penguinbait| | My 810 was stolen yesterday | 06:09 |
| summatusmentis | oh noes! | 06:09 |
| |penguinbait| | :( | 06:09 |
| summatusmentis | that bites hardcore | 06:09 |
| |penguinbait| | yes it does | 06:10 |
| |penguinbait| | It had flash and 3 partitions setup | 06:11 |
| |penguinbait| | but they were all fresh flash | 06:11 |
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| summatusmentis | so no data gone then | 06:13 |
| doc|home | that sucks, how'd it happen? | 06:15 |
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| ydossow | hello everyone... | 06:21 |
| ydossow | one question... | 06:21 |
| summatusmentis | nope, that's over your allotment | 06:21 |
| ydossow | its safe to disable the gps services in a n800? | 06:21 |
| GAN800 | To what end? | 06:22 |
| ydossow | i dont have gps... | 06:23 |
| GAN800 | Why're you worried about it? | 06:23 |
| ydossow | im not worried :) | 06:24 |
| ydossow | just a question... | 06:24 |
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| GAN800 | I can't see the harm, but neither can I see the purpose. ;) | 06:24 |
| ydossow | hehe, ok | 06:24 |
| ydossow | thanks | 06:24 |
| |penguinbait| | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20593&goto=newpost | 06:26 |
| |penguinbait| | nice | 06:26 |
| |penguinbait| | its going on the next one | 06:26 |
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| unixSnob | anyone here ever attempt to us dd to copy an ISO image to a usb drive or SD card, bit for bit, and boot it? | 06:57 |
| * unixSnob is tempted to try it with a DSL linux iso | 06:58 | |
| summatusmentis | I've heard it can be done | 06:58 |
| summatusmentis | never tried, but that's essentially what durning the ISO to a CD does right? | 06:58 |
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| unixSnob | I'm starting to doubt it'll work.. just found a doc on the dsl linux site talking about how to prepare a USB drive | 07:03 |
| unixSnob | It gives several methods all of which are many steps.. nothing that simply copies the bits | 07:03 |
| unixSnob | the easiest approach they mention is to mount the ISO and the drive, and copy all the files over. Then use "syslinux" to write the boot record | 07:03 |
| summatusmentis | can I see the link? | 07:04 |
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| sidnei | Hello maemoeers | 07:05 |
| unixSnob | http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/Installing_to_a_USB_Flash_Drive | 07:05 |
| unixSnob | it's near the bottom "convert .iso..." | 07:05 |
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| * unixSnob wonders if syslinux is comparable to "sys a: c:" from the DOS days | 07:06 | |
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| summatusmentis | weird... | 07:07 |
| unixSnob | anyway.. gotta sleep.. later | 07:09 |
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| lopz | night | 07:36 |
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| beford | 1gb should be enough for a debian installation on a n810, right? | 07:48 |
| Navi | sure | 07:51 |
| Navi | You'll be tight on space if you want to experiment though | 07:52 |
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| GAN800 | The maemo UI blog is so hilariously topical. | 08:24 |
| patoh | link? | 08:24 |
| DaniloCesar | GAN800 | 08:26 |
| GAN800 | http://maemointeraction.wordpress.com | 08:26 |
| patoh | little outdated :P | 08:27 |
| patoh | hurm, wonder if nokia is still part of gnome mobile | 08:27 |
| GAN800 | No kidding | 08:27 |
| patoh | if so, how long do they plan on staying for | 08:27 |
| GAN800 | and entirely devoid of useful content. | 08:27 |
| patoh | seems like a wank fest | 08:28 |
| GAN800 | Yes, they are. | 08:28 |
| doc|home | I'm sure the 4 hits they had per month were sufficient to make it worth their while :) | 08:28 |
| GAN800 | Pressumably as long as they continue using GTK? | 08:28 |
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| GAN800 | roo | 08:28 |
| GAN800 | doc|home, chicken and egg. ;) | 08:29 |
| doc|home | yup | 08:29 |
| GAN800 | Gotta have content before you get hits. | 08:29 |
| patoh | GAN800: I am wondering if they are going to pull a openmoko on the N800 | 08:30 |
| patoh | keep the underlying framework (its all awesome) and just ditch the gtk UI | 08:31 |
| GAN800 | You mean move to Qt? | 08:31 |
| GAN800 | GTK/Hildon isn't going anywhere anytime soon; | 08:32 |
| GAN800 | Fremantle will ship with community supported Qt and Harmattan with officially supported. | 08:33 |
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| * GAN800 pokes roope. | 08:33 | |
| patoh | so both toolkits will be shippped, but GTK+ will be the blessed one in the way of default apps been writen in it? | 08:33 |
| GAN800 | we want more content. :) | 08:34 |
| GAN800 | Right, patoh | 08:34 |
| RST38h | patoh: it won't be blessed one, it will be the one used for the default ui | 08:34 |
| patoh | heh, I would call that blessed for the default ui :P | 08:34 |
| RST38h | In the default ui, you will first see QT on the phones | 08:34 |
| * GAN800 is wondering how the virtual input methods will work out with Qt. | 08:34 | |
| RST38h | patoh: you remind me of a joke | 08:34 |
| patoh | i get that a lot | 08:35 |
| RST38h | A jewish mom gives two ties to her son | 08:35 |
| RST38h | And son wears one of these ties to her birthday | 08:35 |
| RST38h | And the mom says: so, you DIDN'T LIKE THE OTHER TIE? | 08:35 |
| GAN800 | Ha | 08:35 |
| patoh | reminds me of my ex girl friend | 08:38 |
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| Italodance | huhu | 08:41 |
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| Italodance | which girl? | 08:41 |
| RST38h | Close | 08:47 |
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| herwood | hello | 09:14 |
| herwood | I messed up my scratchbox armel-target. What is the easiest way for reinstalling it? | 09:15 |
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| RST38h | apt-get install ? | 09:17 |
| herwood | I installed the scratchbox using the maemo-scratchbox-install_4.0.1.sh -script | 09:18 |
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| herwood | I think I should just delete the directory /scratchbox/users/myUsername/targets/CHINOOK_ARMEL | 09:19 |
| herwood | but I'm not sure about that | 09:19 |
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| RST38h | if not sure,rename it | 09:20 |
| RST38h | The Tegra line will be all-in-one, integrated systems on a chip, containing an 800MHz ARM CPU, GeForce GPU, image processor, HD video processor, and controllers for all other aspects of core operations (memory, USB ports, communication) | 09:20 |
| RST38h | The chipset is 1/10th the size of Intel's Atom and is ultra-low power. A single charge can allow the user to run audio for 130 hours or HD video for up to 30 hours. | 09:20 |
| herwood | yeah, that sounds good, I'll try it | 09:20 |
| RST38h | Something is telling me that the last pair of numbers is somehow doctored... | 09:22 |
| herwood | yeah, that sounds nearly too good to be true.. | 09:23 |
| jaska | probably mixed up hours and minutes | 09:23 |
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| RST38h | *or* they let video processor decode stuff in hardware directly from memory to the screen | 09:27 |
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| RST38h | Still, numbers look like they have all got an extra 0 | 09:28 |
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| RST38h | Btw, here is their reference device: http://images.macnn.com/esta/content/0804/nvidia-apx2500-10.jpg | 09:29 |
| RST38h | Anything familiar? | 09:29 |
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| GAN800 | RST38h, my personal opinion is that they're using a laptop battery. :D | 09:35 |
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| scour-_ | is there anyway to make my gtk program run as root when started from catalog? (cant use setuid since its gtk program :( ) | 09:38 |
| RST38h | GAN: They well may be | 09:42 |
| RST38h | 30 hours is a lot even with a laptop battery though | 09:43 |
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| X-Fade_ | Morning all. | 09:55 |
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| RST38h | morning | 09:56 |
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| trickie_ | howdy | 09:57 |
| X-Fade_ | Ah, the 100m sprint winner is there too ;) | 09:57 |
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| trickie_ | he he | 09:58 |
| trickie_ | pulled up a bit sore though :) | 09:58 |
| trickie_ | X-Fade_: have a good time overall? | 09:59 |
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| X-Fade_ | trickie_: I thought it was really nice. Talked to a lot of people and now it is time to act on it :) | 09:59 |
| trickie_ | X-Fade_: agreed! | 10:00 |
| X-Fade_ | There is already a lot of ideas for the 100 Days plan: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days | 10:02 |
| X-Fade_ | But please feel free to add more ;) | 10:02 |
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| trickie_ | i added one comment about maemo.org -> ITT syndication/stuff | 10:04 |
| trickie_ | im not convinced developers are willing to go hunting in ITT for feedback, but i am sure it can be made easier to file bugs directly from there or mail a list for example | 10:04 |
| X-Fade_ | This is where a centralised tracker would be of help too. | 10:05 |
| X-Fade_ | But maybe we should just add a link to the bugtracker for that package in the catalog? | 10:06 |
| trickie_ | for sure... was thinnking of adding somethign about that | 10:06 |
| trickie_ | but i hesitated, becuase of the time involved | 10:06 |
| X-Fade_ | So it would show up in feeds? | 10:06 |
| trickie_ | and how to word it | 10:06 |
| trickie_ | X-Fade_: you mean my comment? | 10:07 |
| X-Fade_ | Yeah. | 10:07 |
| X-Fade_ | As a short term fix, that should be easy and I think it would help. | 10:07 |
| trickie_ | well i was thinking that if the guys at ITT are going to start a forum thread for each new app/release then they know where the app is being hosted, so that could also add a big button that links back to the right garage page to log bugs or post in the garage forum/list | 10:08 |
| trickie_ | just convenience | 10:08 |
| X-Fade_ | Using launchpad or something similar doesn't seem doable in 100 days. | 10:09 |
| trickie_ | so if someone has an issue or feedback it is only laziness stopping them from filing it | 10:09 |
| trickie_ | as it is one click to the form | 10:09 |
| trickie_ | X-Fade_: yeah it would be a big migration | 10:09 |
| trickie_ | and most likely take a lot of peoples time | 10:09 |
| trickie_ | but a centralised tracker would be awesome | 10:09 |
| trickie_ | anway... back to boring work... talk to you later | 10:10 |
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| X-Fade_ | Later. | 10:12 |
| nomis | moin. | 10:15 |
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| User598 | yo | 10:35 |
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| User598 | yo | 10:36 |
| User598 | i need help :D | 10:36 |
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| Navi | I need help *leave* | 10:37 |
| davos1 | lol | 10:37 |
| davos1 | i changed nick | 10:37 |
| Navi | :P | 10:37 |
| davos1 | how do i install diablo | 10:37 |
| Navi | What do you need help with? | 10:37 |
| davos1 | i put the repos in | 10:37 |
| davos1 | did a apt-get update | 10:37 |
| Navi | bleh, I don't know | 10:37 |
| davos1 | lol | 10:37 |
| jjo | you wait for the release, install , success | 10:38 |
| Navi | You need the repo password, though. | 10:38 |
| Navi | Ha | 10:38 |
| davos1 | oh | 10:38 |
| davos1 | crap | 10:38 |
| davos1 | ask querty :P | 10:38 |
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| davos1 | hello :D | 10:40 |
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| davos1 | hi | 10:42 |
| davos1 | :S | 10:42 |
| davos1 | friggin hate irc seems like everyone is dead | 10:42 |
| gomiam | davos1: it doesn't "seem" >;-) | 10:42 |
| davos1 | lol | 10:43 |
| davos1 | true | 10:43 |
| davos1 | do you know the repo pass for diablo? | 10:43 |
| gomiam | braaaaainssss | 10:43 |
| davos1 | does anyone? | 10:43 |
| gomiam | nope | 10:43 |
| gomiam | no idea. Actually, I didn't know Diablo had a password | 10:43 |
| gomiam | what sense does that make? | 10:44 |
| davos1 | dont know | 10:44 |
| davos1 | its just the repo | 10:44 |
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| davos1 | meh | 10:44 |
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| * gomiam checks whether there is a way to access the diablo repository | 10:46 | |
| * davos1 thinks there is not | 10:46 | |
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| gomiam | oh, I see now. http://catalogue.tableeter.nokia.com/updates/diablo requires some realm based authentication | 10:48 |
| gomiam | I'll look at it after I get back from an incidence call. | 10:50 |
| davos1 | kk | 10:50 |
| davos1 | i cant load that page | 10:51 |
| davos1 | weird | 10:51 |
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| davos1 | btw u spelt the site worng | 10:52 |
| davos1 | its | 10:52 |
| davos1 | http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo | 10:52 |
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| hans-castorp | yo ppls | 11:00 |
| hans-castorp | wow the debian xchat is a hell of a lot better than the one for maemo | 11:01 |
| nomis | hans-castorp: moin. | 11:02 |
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| nomis | hans-castorp: if by "better" you mean "more content", then you're probably right :) | 11:02 |
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| davos1 | anyone have luck on installing diablo? | 11:07 |
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| borism | x-chat? c'mon, where is irssi? | 11:08 |
| jones- | Hello. Does anyone know if you can get oprofile to work in scratchbox? | 11:09 |
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| kulve | jones-: with ARM binaries? | 11:10 |
| jones- | kulve: no, i'd be happy to oprofile in a i386 target | 11:10 |
| kulve | it's part of the kernel, so you can run it normally on PC. No need to involve SB there | 11:11 |
| jones- | oh | 11:11 |
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| AStorm | just need a few tools, which are in the repos | 11:11 |
| AStorm | (package oprofile) | 11:12 |
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| jones- | So I guess I can init and configure oprofile outside sb, and then run it inside. | 11:12 |
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| AStorm | why? | 11:18 |
| AStorm | you can run oprofile on the device directly | 11:18 |
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| jones- | I was assuming it'd be much simpler to profile in sb | 11:19 |
| AStorm | no | 11:19 |
| AStorm | it won't | 11:19 |
| AStorm | it's not the real case, might falsify the data | 11:19 |
| jones- | oh ok then | 11:20 |
| kulve | jones-: it's about as easy in both environments | 11:20 |
| jones- | Is this a good starting point? http://maemo.org/development/tools/doc/chinook/oprofile/ | 11:20 |
| AStorm | yes, although I find real profiles better than fake ones | 11:20 |
| AStorm | Isn't oprofile in the new kernel already? | 11:21 |
| beford | I'm trying to program an app using C that will be querying information from a server trough HTTP requests, is there any lib that I could use to make the HTTP requests instead of using sockets? | 11:21 |
| beford | a lib availible in maemo already* | 11:22 |
| AStorm | beford: hmm, in C.. yes | 11:22 |
| AStorm | curl | 11:22 |
| AStorm | not sure if it's installed by default | 11:22 |
| inz | it is | 11:22 |
| gomiam | AStorm: no, but you can pull it from a repository. | 11:22 |
| gomiam | is it? | 11:22 |
| gomiam | open mouth, insert foot, then :-) | 11:23 |
| inz | Well, not in maemo, but on ITOS | 11:23 |
| AStorm | :> | 11:23 |
| kulve | beford: curl | 11:23 |
| beford | ok thanks. | 11:23 |
| inz | Unfortunately curl in maemo is missing one essential function | 11:24 |
| gomiam | inz: which? (just curious) | 11:24 |
| AStorm | hmm? ssl? | 11:24 |
| inz | gomiam, the one that returns the time (in milliseconds) to next occurring timeout | 11:24 |
| gomiam | oh | 11:24 |
| AStorm | ah, not that bad | 11:25 |
| AStorm | this you can work around | 11:25 |
| inz | curl_multi_timeout is the one | 11:25 |
| inz | You cannot implement proper GSource for curl without that | 11:25 |
| AStorm | you can, with some hack | 11:26 |
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| davos1 | 11:27 | |
| beford | got another question, I've seen somebody wrote pygtkedit wich uses gtkviewsourceviewer, I was trying to compile something that required that package, but I was unable to find a libgtksourceviewer-dev package for maemo, so, how did he manage to write something without it? | 11:27 |
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| beford | s/gtkviewsourceviewer/gtksourceview/ | 11:28 |
| infobot | beford meant: got another question, I've seen somebody wrote pygtkedit wich uses gtksourceview, I was trying to compile something that required that package, but I was unable to find a libgtksourceviewer-dev package for maemo, so, how did he manage to write something w... | 11:28 |
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| gomiam | beford: next time remember to add a g after the last / ;-) | 11:28 |
| AStorm | inz: anyway, if you want that, gnome-vfs is better | 11:30 |
| AStorm | it supports http and ftp too | 11:30 |
| beford | heh, it'd not have worked anyway, I used a different name when referring to the dev package :P | 11:31 |
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| gomiam | beford: true, true. | 11:31 |
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| hrw | morning | 11:40 |
| inz | AStorm, does it do POST and all that fun? | 11:40 |
| AStorm | not sure | 11:41 |
| trickie_ | hrw: morning | 11:44 |
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| RST38h | ping | 13:08 |
| X-Fade_ | pong? | 13:10 |
| hrw | ping failed | 13:10 |
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| bhaskar | how to Rotate with Diablo ? | 13:11 |
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| gomiam | bhaskar: you put your left foot at a some given angle x (so x%360 is not 0) and then put your right foot parallel to your left one. Repeat until the required number of rotations has been achieved. ;-) | 13:13 |
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| bhaskar | ha ha | 13:14 |
| bhaskar | that is the one way.. | 13:15 |
| bhaskar | but i tried, modified kernel with diablo, it doesn't work | 13:16 |
| RST38h | ping worked! | 13:16 |
| jeddy3 | gomiam: xD | 13:18 |
| inz | ping -b | 13:19 |
| inz | Phew, it didn't work | 13:20 |
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| beford | libxml2 is part of maemo/itos, right? | 13:24 |
| inz | broadcast ping on channel this size might cause a bit of a flood | 13:24 |
| inz | beford, right | 13:24 |
| inz | beford, and IIRC so is expat ;) | 13:25 |
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| herwood | hey, how can I make the diablo work in scratchbox? | 13:29 |
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| X-Fade_ | herwood: Diablo has not been released yet, so ... | 13:29 |
| herwood | aa, ok | 13:29 |
| X-Fade_ | herwood: It should be compatible with chinook, with just some added libs. | 13:30 |
| herwood | ok, thanks | 13:31 |
| X-Fade_ | So porting an application from chinook to diablo should just be a recompile. | 13:31 |
| herwood | ok | 13:32 |
| kulve | is there even need for a recompile? | 13:32 |
| X-Fade_ | kulve: Well some minor versions of libs could have been upgraded, so if you have strict deps.. | 13:34 |
| X-Fade_ | But that is at a package level. | 13:34 |
| inz | X-Fade, why would you have strict deps? | 13:36 |
| X-Fade_ | inz: Well I don't but some people do ;) | 13:37 |
| inz | X-Fade, if you have strict deps, then you have to change those too (i.e. not just a recompile) | 13:37 |
| inz | X-Fade, shlibs give you >= dependencies | 13:37 |
| X-Fade_ | Yep. But I really wouldn't know if there are any cases which do not run without repackaging or rebuilding. We will have to see when the SDK gets released. | 13:39 |
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| shapr | Hey, does anyone know if maemo has the same problem debian had with generated ssh keys? | 13:58 |
| beford | probably it does | 13:59 |
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| kulve | shapr: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/36898#36898 | 14:01 |
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| shapr | kulve: Thanks! | 14:03 |
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| * lcuk ponders | 14:39 | |
| hrw | hi lcuk | 14:39 |
| lcuk | hi hrw :) get back safely then | 14:39 |
| hrw | lcuk: yes - you too I see | 14:40 |
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| lcuk | yes and back to work, ive come away from berlin with lots of thoughts and ideas | 14:40 |
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| hrw | I have to start from recompiling n8x0 kernel | 14:41 |
| lcuk | i bet your not doing that directly on the device though | 14:42 |
| hrw | no - I am not so insane | 14:42 |
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| * lcuk thinks it would take forever, the nokia n8888888811111100000 would be out by the time its done | 14:42 | |
| hrw | goodbye CONFIG_USB_OTG_WHITELIST | 14:42 |
| wiza | has anyone tried a2dp in n810? | 14:43 |
| lcuk | good idea, but will it be enough to allow anything to be plugged and accepted | 14:43 |
| lcuk | ooops, customers, back later | 14:46 |
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| hrw | lcuk: I have few powered hubs and n810 refuse to handle them | 14:50 |
| hrw | and all those thanks to keesj who had some spare female<>female usb adapters | 14:50 |
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| mgedmin | hi, lcuk | 14:58 |
| mgedmin | hi, hrw | 14:58 |
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| hrw | laba diena mgedmin | 14:59 |
| lcuk | hrw, keesj had everything in that little box of tricks didnt he | 15:05 |
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| lcuk | hi mgedmin :) are you still travelling or have you returned home now | 15:06 |
| mgedmin | home since yesterday | 15:06 |
| hrw | lcuk: exactly | 15:06 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, did you have the same hotel issue as most others? | 15:06 |
| mgedmin | watched a few mobile-related presentations from LugRadio Live 2008 on google video | 15:06 |
| mgedmin | everyone is talking about building communities | 15:07 |
| mgedmin | lcuk: "hotel issue"? | 15:07 |
| mgedmin | I had to pay with my credit card, yes | 15:07 |
| mgedmin | I sent an email to Nokia's travel agent and he said that's normal procedure | 15:07 |
| mgedmin | "Billing is not possible with contract price." | 15:07 |
| mgedmin | quim sent me a word document (boo! hiss!) for filling in an expense claim | 15:08 |
| hrw | Nokia sponsored hotel for speakers? | 15:08 |
| lcuk | very frustrating and not expected, especially since the agency handled payments for the flights, ahhh so we just fill in and bobs your uncle | 15:08 |
| lcuk | yes hrw | 15:08 |
| hrw | good to know for future | 15:09 |
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| hrw | ok, time to boot my kernel on n810 | 15:10 |
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| mgedmin | "FORMTEXT µ     §Haettu tehtävä / esimies | 15:11 |
| mgedmin | " is what OpenOffice sees in that .doc | 15:11 |
| mgedmin | ah! it looks better in the clipboard | 15:11 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, :) i have the .doc as well. thankfully my office 2000 should open it correctly ;) | 15:11 |
| mgedmin | on screen I see a ‰ instead of ä | 15:12 |
| * mgedmin hates open office | 15:12 | |
| mgedmin | and open office hates me right back | 15:12 |
| lcuk | shhhh, you cant say that on a linuxchannel ;) | 15:12 |
| hrw | ok, changed to much in kernel | 15:13 |
| * lcuk thinks french airport security are too finicky | 15:13 | |
| * mgedmin also hates expense forms | 15:13 | |
| lcuk | this will be a new experience for me so ill savour every single field | 15:14 |
| Z0m81e | Hello all, is this an appropriate channel to ask about problems with large block device support on n770? | 15:14 |
| mgedmin | I once paid £80 for a hotel in oxford from my pocket instead of submitting an expense form because I hate paperwork | 15:14 |
| mgedmin | still, 500 EUR is a bit more than 80 GBP | 15:15 |
| mgedmin | not that I'd get all of those back | 15:15 |
| mgedmin | I stayed a couple of days extra | 15:15 |
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| lcuk | mg, can you get privmsgs | 15:16 |
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| mgedmin | yes | 15:20 |
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| Ave | hi all | 15:24 |
| Z0m81e | I attached a 60 gig USB HDD to my n770 and it was picked up as /dev/sda but dmesg complains it is too big for the kernel and to add support for large block devices - seems unlikely to me I thought that was for disks over 2TB? does anyone have any idea what the problem might be, I have had it work before with a different USB hub (same model). | 15:25 |
| Ave | I've been reading about vorbis playback on different forums etc, also I found out that there are numerous libraries for enabling vorbis. so, is mogg the best? I see that any given player will consume about 20% cpu on N8x0, that is kinda hefty right? | 15:25 |
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| hrw | who wrote usbcontrol? | 15:45 |
| mgedmin | it would be interesting to see the actual power usage numbers of using the CPU instead of the DSP for mp3/ogg playback | 15:45 |
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| surki | any one tried compiling gnash in scratchbox? [i am having trouble with libboost related stuff. on compiling gnash, i get linker errors saying '* symbols defined in discarded section *'] | 15:47 |
| Ave | mgedmin: I'm assuming that mp3 currently does use dsp | 15:51 |
| mgedmin | yes | 15:51 |
| Ave | would make sens to offload decoding crapo to dsp but .. would that lead into energy saving | 15:52 |
| Ave | or just snappier UI | 15:52 |
| RST38h | it would | 15:52 |
| RST38h | even just using integers in ogg decoder would lead to energy saving | 15:53 |
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| hrw | RST38h: not if you would compile float version for armv6vfp | 15:59 |
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| hrw | RST38h: but maemo binaries are mostly armv5te so vfp unit is "wasted" | 16:00 |
| RST38h | hrw: is there a magic command line option to change the model? | 16:00 |
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| RST38h | [and are there any drawbacks? =)] | 16:01 |
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| hrw | TARGET_CC_ARCH = "-march=armv6j -mtune=arm1136jf-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp" | 16:01 |
| RST38h | ! thanks | 16:01 |
| hrw | RST38h: or just use OE :D | 16:02 |
| hrw | ~curse n810 a bit | 16:02 |
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| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, n810 a bit ! | 16:02 |
| hrw | I connected powered hub and it refuse :( | 16:03 |
| hrw | and see unpowered one | 16:03 |
| Z0m81e | does anyone know why my n770 is complaining about lack of support for large block devices in kernel when attaching 60 gig usb disk? | 16:03 |
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| hrw | ok. now I have n810->powered hub -> 1:pendrive 2: non-powered hub (7 ports) | 16:04 |
| Ave | hrw: if you compile with that, you get hardware floats? | 16:04 |
| hrw | Ave: yes | 16:05 |
| Ave | in scratchbox cross? | 16:05 |
| hrw | NO! | 16:05 |
| hrw | never! | 16:05 |
| hrw | ;) | 16:05 |
| Ave | er what | 16:05 |
| hrw | I never used scratchbox and do not plan to change it | 16:05 |
| Ave | but is it possible if not feasible for you | 16:05 |
| mgedmin | heh | 16:05 |
| mgedmin | don't listen to him, he uses kde instead of gnome too | 16:06 |
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| Ave | /ignore hrw | 16:07 |
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| hrw | 8 usb devices and still works... | 16:07 |
| mgedmin | wow | 16:07 |
| Ave | so er, what is the status of vorbis playback as of now? mogg, something tremor? | 16:07 |
| mgedmin | I've got ogg-support installed | 16:08 |
| mgedmin | the builtin media player can play oggs | 16:08 |
| mgedmin | iirc I don't get metadata | 16:08 |
| mgedmin | and iirc I can't click on a .ogg file in file manager | 16:08 |
| hrw | 10 | 16:09 |
| Ave | hm I have mogg and all playrs grok ogg, but no metadata | 16:09 |
| Ave | and eat cpu like there's no tomorrow, but atleast theres playback | 16:09 |
| mgedmin | even when I'm playing mp3 my n810 gets noticeably warm in my hand | 16:09 |
| mgedmin | this doesn't happen when I read ebooks with fbreader | 16:10 |
| zap | that's perhaps because of wifi | 16:10 |
| mgedmin | no | 16:10 |
| zap | if I disable wifi, it's much colder | 16:10 |
| mgedmin | the mp3 files are right here on the card | 16:10 |
| mgedmin | hm | 16:10 |
| MangoFusion | didn't you read the bit about it acting as a portable heater in the product specs? :P | 16:11 |
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| zap | this will get handy here later this year | 16:11 |
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| hrw | hm. 10 usb devices... need to charge some pdas | 16:24 |
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| hrw | 16 | 16:28 |
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| johnx | heh...reminds me when I had 8 macbooks on my desk at my last job | 16:28 |
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| MangoFusion | 8? | 16:32 |
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| johnx | I was imaging them | 16:34 |
| johnx | after that I turned them into an impromtu video encoding farm to *cough* test them :) | 16:35 |
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| summatusmentis | lol, it's that easy to setup a video encoding farm? | 16:35 |
| johnx | it was a short-bus kinda thing | 16:36 |
| johnx | just tell each one to encode a different video | 16:36 |
| summatusmentis | hmm | 16:36 |
| summatusmentis | oh... that's not the same thing | 16:36 |
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| johnx | hrw, any interesting devices in that list? | 16:38 |
| * mgedmin expects to hear "only usb drives and keyboards" | 16:38 | |
| johnx | heh...16 keyboards | 16:38 |
| mgedmin | speaking of keyboards, how do you get the on-screen vkb back after you've used usbcontrol? | 16:38 |
| johnx | reboot is the only reliable way I've found | 16:39 |
| Z0m81e | have you guys got usb disks to work properly then? because I have this 'large block device' error when I connect mine | 16:39 |
| johnx | maybe there's a gconf key though now that I think about it... | 16:39 |
| johnx | Z0m81e, hmm | 16:39 |
| mgedmin | there used to be a program called hildon-im-switch, no? | 16:39 |
| johnx | how big is the disk? | 16:39 |
| Z0m81e | 60gb | 16:40 |
| johnx | and the "large block device" message is a popup on the screen or in dmesg? | 16:40 |
| hrw | johnx: phones, network card, serial port, storage, hubs, card reader, ps/2 adapter (keyb/mouse), bt... | 16:40 |
| Z0m81e | in dmesg when the disk is connected it gives the little summary table about the disk, the size is 0mb and it gives the error saying the disk is too big for the kernel | 16:41 |
| johnx | O_o | 16:41 |
| Anunakin | Hi johnx | 16:41 |
| johnx | hi, Anunakin | 16:41 |
| mgedmin | Z0m81e: can you pastebin the message? | 16:41 |
| Anunakin | I have a working solution for mouse right and middle emulation | 16:41 |
| Anunakin | :-) | 16:41 |
| Anunakin | :'( | 16:41 |
| Anunakin | I using ... keylaunch from OpenZaurus project.... | 16:42 |
| johnx | Anunakin, seems reasonable | 16:42 |
| Z0m81e | mgedmin: i'll pop back in later with it the battery is flat atm | 16:42 |
| * mgedmin has nokia chargers everywhere | 16:42 | |
| johnx | what filesystem is the disk? | 16:42 |
| Anunakin | This associate a key pressed to a program and a key release to another | 16:43 |
| johnx | yup, I've hacked around in keylaunch quite a bit | 16:43 |
| Anunakin | the Keylauch from Debian ... not do it!!! | 16:43 |
| johnx | doesn't work? | 16:43 |
| Z0m81e | I tried vfat and ext3 the result was the same both times | 16:43 |
| Anunakin | no | 16:43 |
| johnx | it could be a keymapping issue... | 16:43 |
| Anunakin | You need keylaunch from OpenZaurus | 16:43 |
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| Anunakin | it works ... but needs too libs from GPE ... | 16:44 |
| johnx | there must be openzaurus/angstrom specific patches? | 16:44 |
| Anunakin | yes | 16:44 |
| Anunakin | the version o Debian is 1.3.4 | 16:44 |
| Anunakin | on OZ is 2.0.10 | 16:44 |
| johnx | ah | 16:44 |
| johnx | interesting | 16:44 |
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| Ave | I just successfully mapped pgup and pgdown on my N810, to fn-bksp and fn-enter respectively | 16:45 |
| Ave | most convenient ever.. | 16:45 |
| Anunakin | OZ version, has extra events... like pressed, released and held ... | 16:45 |
| Anunakin | and a extra Fn mod key | 16:45 |
| Z0m81e | When i get back from work I will reflash it to the latest nokia image and try again, if it doesn't work i'll return armed with the exact error in pastebin | 16:45 |
| johnx | cool | 16:45 |
| florian | Anunakin: keylaunch should not need GPE libraries, only some X stuff | 16:45 |
| johnx | Z0m81e, are you using a powered hub? or was the n8x0 able to power the disk directly? | 16:46 |
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| Z0m81e | johnx: its a n770, i've used a mains powered hub and the 5v soldered over from one of the slave ports back to the host port for the 770 | 16:49 |
| johnx | aaaah...ok. | 16:49 |
| johnx | I assumed it was an n8x0 for some reason | 16:50 |
| Z0m81e | I suppose it would be sensible to disconnect the wire and try the hdd through the hub off my laptop or something to rule that out | 16:50 |
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| Anunakin | Florian: Yes... but keylaunch from OZ project ... has many patchs who uses a lib from GPE... this make the extra events... like released and pressed | 16:50 |
| Anunakin | this libs uses less then 200K only... | 16:51 |
| Anunakin | 2 only... gpelaunch and gpenotify | 16:52 |
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| Anunakin | others I removed ... | 16:52 |
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| Anunakin | man ... the Makefile of this OZ project ... needed to be remade to compile at SB ... | 16:53 |
| Anunakin | :-/ | 16:53 |
| Anunakin | I found a old version ... 2.0.7 from OZ... I see... this not using gpelaunch.... libs... I go try with it... | 16:54 |
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| Anunakin | keylaunch from debian not have pressed and released events.. I think that events are very good ... because I can have Menu+click -> right click and Chr+Click -> middle click | 16:55 |
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| johnx | debian has gpelaunch, unless I'm confused... | 16:56 |
| zapppp | are there any tutorials about making desktop plugins using python? or is this even possible? | 16:58 |
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| Anunakin | johnx, I compiled this from OZ sources... | 17:04 |
| Anunakin | the debian version .... gpelaunch-dev , not have launch.h header | 17:04 |
| Anunakin | I got many errors for compile keylaunch 2.0.10 ... for maemo/debian | 17:05 |
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| X-Fade | And we have another great post from Darius ;) | 17:05 |
| summatusmentis | X-Fade: fyi, rm_you was looking for you :) | 17:06 |
| johnx | X-Fade, did he get the job he asked for? :D | 17:06 |
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| X-Fade | rm_you: I'm here now... | 17:06 |
| X-Fade | Well, we have talked about him over beers in Berlin :) | 17:06 |
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| X-Fade | He now calls himself a Think-Tank. | 17:07 |
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| johnx | exciting | 17:07 |
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| glass | is he fat? couldn't resist | 17:09 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: I wonder how many people are subscribed to his Google Group... | 17:13 |
| summatusmentis | is there a way to make thunar from my debian chroot operaton on the root of my maemo install? | 17:13 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: It seems that he only does it to get clicks on his adsense? | 17:14 |
| summatusmentis | s/operaton/operate on/ | 17:14 |
| infobot | summatusmentis meant: is there a way to make thunar from my debian chroot operate on on the root of my maemo install? | 17:14 |
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| johnx | you could use mount --bind | 17:14 |
| johnx | to bind your / into /debian-chroot | 17:15 |
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| summatusmentis | that would lose all maemo functionality though, right? | 17:15 |
| johnx | hmm? | 17:15 |
| summatusmentis | well, wait, I misunderstood what you were saying. You're suggesting binding / to some dir under the debian chroot? | 17:16 |
| johnx | basically: mount --bind / /debian-chroot/copy-of-maemo-root | 17:16 |
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| johnx | yeah | 17:16 |
| johnx | then poke around it in thunar from inside /debian-chroot | 17:16 |
| johnx | I assume you already bind mount /proc and /sys | 17:16 |
| summatusmentis | yeah, I'm just using the script on the wiki | 17:17 |
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| johnx | I haven't looked running debian stuff in a chroot at all | 17:17 |
| summatusmentis | it's nice... all debian apps, inside of maemo | 17:20 |
| summatusmentis | I can run wireshark in maemo, for instance | 17:21 |
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| summatusmentis | hi qwerty12 | 17:27 |
| qwerty12 | hello summatusmentis | 17:27 |
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| * penguinbait slaps qwerty12 around a bit with a large trout | 17:31 | |
| johnx | well that's one way to say hello :P | 17:32 |
| * qwerty12 slaps penguinbait for fun | 17:32 | |
| penguinbait | a little fishy though :) | 17:32 |
| qwerty12 | heh | 17:33 |
| penguinbait | that was for your exit line,, what are you smokin? | 17:33 |
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| qwerty12 | Some Class A stuff | 17:34 |
| summatusmentis | share? | 17:35 |
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| penguinbait | I smoked from 15-30, finally quit smoking cigs in 2003 | 17:35 |
| summatusmentis | cigarettes gross my out | 17:35 |
| summatusmentis | s/my/me/ | 17:35 |
| infobot | summatusmentis meant: cigarettes gross me out | 17:35 |
| penguinbait | I bought a boat, much more fun | 17:35 |
| summatusmentis | might just be generational though | 17:35 |
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| * qwerty12 doesn't like breathing in cigarette smoke. but the other stuff is nice :p | 17:36 | |
| penguinbait | smoking is bad for you, vaporizers are the way to go : | 17:36 |
| penguinbait | :) | 17:36 |
| t_s_o | heh | 17:36 |
| t_s_o | heh, seems like nvidia is making waves in the mobile computing world :) | 17:37 |
| summatusmentis | penguinbait: vaporizers are expensive, from what I understand | 17:37 |
| trickie_ | anything foreign in your lungs is bad | 17:38 |
| trickie_ | but then that doesn't stop me :) | 17:38 |
| penguinbait | I paid 450$, cost more that my tablet | 17:38 |
| RST38h | like an axe or a kitchen knife... | 17:38 |
| penguinbait | heh | 17:38 |
| johnx | trickie, I know what you mean. I put oxygen and tons of nitrogen in there all the time. I think I'm addicted :/ :P | 17:39 |
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| trickie_ | ha ha, well i meant beyond whats 'naturally' supposed to be in air you breath | 17:39 |
| trickie_ | and yes i know that can be variable also | 17:39 |
| summatusmentis | a chrooted aptitude is kinda slow :) | 17:39 |
| qwerty12 | trickie_, you are in NL, there must be tons of good smoke there :p | 17:40 |
| summatusmentis | oooh... I'd love to visit NL sometime | 17:41 |
| RST38h | johnx: you mean you produce NO2 internally? | 17:41 |
| johnx | nah...I import it. | 17:41 |
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| trickie_ | qwerty12: probably right, but alot of it probably full of nasty chemicals etc | 17:42 |
| johnx | and usually I keep it separate... | 17:42 |
| trickie_ | the days of 'smoke weed man, its natural' are well gone | 17:42 |
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| RST38h | trickie: upgraded to mushrooms? =) | 17:43 |
| qwerty12 | build me a time machine, I'll go back to when it was legal and pure | 17:43 |
| trickie_ | RST38h: nah, and if i wanted mushrooms i would go back to australia and pick them myself | 17:44 |
| RST38h | And even bananas are not the same: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/02/0033211&from=rss | 17:44 |
| lopz | hi | 17:44 |
| * trickie_ is getting old... not really interested goodies like that anymore | 17:45 | |
| * johnx resolves to eat more banana and peanut-butter sammiches before the banapocolypse | 17:45 | |
| RST38h | is peanut-butter becoming extinct too? | 17:46 |
| johnx | nah, but I like pb+b sandwiches :D | 17:46 |
| RST38h | ah | 17:46 |
| RST38h | Roaches have disappeared too, BTW | 17:46 |
| RST38h | BAD sign. Roaches can't be wrong. | 17:47 |
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| johnx | good riddance to the roaches! (but I didn't hear that piece of news...) | 17:47 |
| RST38h | well, at least in Moscow | 17:48 |
| * qwerty12 is finding roaches in my house :/ | 17:48 | |
| * RST38h has not seen a roach here for a few years now | 17:48 | |
| trickie_ | aren't they like one of the most hardy creatures around? | 17:49 |
| penguinbait | the question is, what do you do with all the weed you vaporize? | 17:49 |
| RST38h | whatever they were, seem to be gone now | 17:49 |
| trickie_ | if they are going, then it cannot be long for the humans | 17:50 |
| RST38h | yep | 17:50 |
| qwerty12 | THEY SHALL NEVER TAKE ME! MUHAHAHAHAHAHA | 17:50 |
| RST38h | Don't let them take you alive. KILL 'EM ALL!!! | 17:51 |
| qwerty12 | Aye Captain | 17:51 |
| johnx | just googled for news on roaches: verdict is there are still plenty around | 17:52 |
| penguinbait | http://www.sxc.hu/pic/m/e/es/esheep/439288_roach.jpg | 17:53 |
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| GAN800 | johnx, living in Florida, I can confirm roaches are doing just fine. :p | 17:54 |
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| johnx | alright, thanks for the response from our reporter on the spot, GAN800! back to you, RST38h | 17:55 |
| GAN800 | Ha | 17:56 |
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| GAN800 | RogerS really has such boring posts. . . . Seems like they mostly just end up being everybody explaining why his assumptions are totally wrong. | 17:57 |
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| RST38h | johnx: That's in Florida. They'll get destroyed by the Flood | 18:00 |
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| penguinbait | http://growabrain.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/05/03/smoking_starts_young.jpg | 18:03 |
| penguinbait | picture of qwerty, as a baby :) | 18:03 |
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| penguinbait | sorry, its what happens when I am bored at work with no tablet :( | 18:05 |
| summatusmentis | lol | 18:08 |
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| GAN800 | ohshi--Darius found Quim's blog. | 18:17 |
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| johnx | I just wonder if he's serious or a really persistent troll | 18:17 |
| GAN800 | I'm disturbed by the fact that he's probably serious. | 18:18 |
| johnx | must be something lost in translation... | 18:18 |
| inz | johnx, something, yes, but the stupidity still shines on through | 18:19 |
| johnx | heh | 18:19 |
| GAN800 | Yeesh, Quim really went to town on the wiki. | 18:19 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: I'm playing with putting the styling of the frontpage in a CSS atm. | 18:21 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, I saw that. Jaffa's changes were a start, but I'm not sure if those icons works so well faded into that orange. | 18:22 |
| GAN800 | s/works/work/ | 18:22 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: Yeah, I saw that. Jaffa's changes were a start, but I'm not sure if those icons work so well faded into that orange. | 18:22 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: Well, at least we should get rid of the styling in the text ;) | 18:22 |
| GAN800 | I wish I could just pull templates out of wikipedia without trying to navigate their insane webs of css and nested templates. . . . | 18:25 |
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| X-Fade | GAN800: Yeah, it imports 10 templates orso ;) Weird stuff. | 18:25 |
| GAN800 | I just wanted the {{main}} template the other day, but it's got at least 4 other templates and 3 CSS classes . . . just styled the text instead. | 18:27 |
| GAN800 | Wonder if there's a mediawiki 'plugin' that contains some of them. | 18:27 |
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| GAN800 | By the way, X-Fade, thanks to you, too, for the replies on the wiki. | 18:29 |
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| epsil0n | hi all! | 18:29 |
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| epsil0n | has anybody used a huawei umts usb modem successfuly with the a nokia 810 host mode? | 18:30 |
| GAN800 | Quick note, though, I've been italicizing the comments on the main page to set them off a bit. | 18:30 |
| RST38h | GAN: DJS is Darius guy? | 18:30 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: It is beginning to get really big.. | 18:30 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, RST38h | 18:31 |
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| RST38h | Hohoho | 18:31 |
| GAN800 | X-Fade you want me to start pushing some stuff to 'main pages'? | 18:31 |
| GAN800 | particulary stuff where Quim says we should set up a wikipage. | 18:32 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: If some point really warrants discussion, then I think we need a separate page? | 18:32 |
| RST38h | What happened with his job application btw? =) | 18:32 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: I think it dropped from the page. I'll check. | 18:32 |
| RST38h | GAN: Btw, thing that I have found about that discussion page is that concrete and abstract suggestions are mixed together. Maybe you should have two separate pages for these | 18:33 |
| RST38h | Abstract stuff about "developing maemo community along collaborative lines of communications between developers working for the common good bla bla" is good, but it is actual changes (however small) that make a difference | 18:34 |
| X-Fade | I have to step out, bbl. | 18:34 |
| GAN800 | Ah, I see Quim put in his two cents on the talk page as far as separate articles. :D | 18:34 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, stuff like that is better suited to the 2010 agenda | 18:35 |
| * GAN800 should get out of bed. | 18:35 | |
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| Jaffa | GAN800: I'm not sure about the faded icons either, but the ones not overlaid upon made things too wide for my default browser window of ~900px | 18:38 |
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| GAN8001 | I'm with you. | 18:39 |
| Navi | GAN8001, with him in bed. | 18:40 |
| Navi | oooooo | 18:40 |
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| Jaffa | Navi: shush, Mrs Jaffa might be running wireshark! | 18:42 |
| Navi | :) | 18:42 |
| GAN8001 | Slumber party, Navi's the only one not invited! | 18:42 |
| Navi | Like I want to be invited. | 18:42 |
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| unixSnob | The bot over in #openwrt has a pretty cool feature.. It outputs the subject line of new forum replies. Could be useful for #maemo to do that with internettablettalk.com | 18:45 |
| Navi | NNnnnnnooooooo >_> | 18:46 |
| Navi | infobot is annoying enough | 18:46 |
| SDuensin | Morning gang. | 18:47 |
| Navi | Morning | 18:48 |
| GAN8001 | Ugh | 18:48 |
| GAN8001 | That sounds like the spammiest idea ever. | 18:48 |
| GAN8001 | Especially from itT | 18:48 |
| SDuensin | Anybody toyed with Einstein on an 800? I'm becoming obsessed with it. | 18:48 |
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| GAN8001 | I've got a real Newton if I ever need to scratch that itch again. | 18:52 |
| * SDuensin itches bad. | 18:52 | |
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| SDuensin | I bought an eMate off ePay. Now I want a 2100. | 18:53 |
| hrw | http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/06/02/feel-the-power-of-usb-with-nokia-tablet/ | 18:53 |
| nomis | I really hate that you need the AF-AF-Adapter. | 18:54 |
| GAN8001 | Hehe | 18:55 |
| GAN8001 | eMate is slooow | 18:55 |
| SDuensin | Yea, but I'm in love with the OS. :-) | 18:55 |
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| mgedmin | hrw: have you got pictures of the actual devices? | 18:57 |
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| inz | Anyone happen to know a decent free SIP service I could use for testing? | 18:57 |
| mgedmin | that would be a bit more impressive than just the lsusb output | 18:57 |
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| hrw | mgedmin: too messy | 18:57 |
| GAN8001 | SDuensin, it's really an awesome platform. It was a sad day when Jobs shut it down. | 18:57 |
| mgedmin | inz: ekiga? freeworlddialup? | 18:57 |
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| mgedmin | hrw: also, a USB panic button? what's that? | 18:58 |
| mgedmin | I think I want one :-) | 18:58 |
| mgedmin | is it big and red? | 18:58 |
| hrw | mgedmin: go to 'I want one of those' site | 18:58 |
| hrw | mgedmin: yes and you do not want it - no support | 18:58 |
| inz | mgedmin, ekiga sounds open sourcey, thanks ;) | 18:58 |
| * hrw has to go | 18:58 | |
| hrw | bye guys | 18:58 |
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| florian | hrw|gone: cu | 18:58 |
| unixSnob | inz: sipphone.com paired with grandcentral | 18:59 |
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| mgedmin | my personal experience with SIP is very small | 19:00 |
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| GAN8001 | RST38h, sign with "~~~~" :P | 19:00 |
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| RST38h | What is ~~~~? | 19:01 |
| RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2008/02/nsaatt.jpg <-- kinda old but still priceless | 19:02 |
| GAN8001 | mediawiki turns that into a signature. | 19:03 |
| RST38h | Ah, time included? | 19:03 |
| GAN8001 | Yeah | 19:03 |
| RST38h | cool | 19:03 |
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| SDuensin | GAN8001 - It is awesome. Which is why I want it on my 800. :-) | 19:07 |
| GAN8001 | The one big point about the Newton that a lot of people overlook is size. | 19:07 |
| SDuensin | Yea. You could club people with it. | 19:07 |
| GAN8001 | You just can't write comfortably on a device that's much smaller than the Newton. | 19:07 |
| SDuensin | Nope. Well, not without resorting to something like Graffiti. | 19:08 |
| unixSnob | right.. graffiti is optimum | 19:08 |
| johnx | heh...grafiti worked really well but broke my normal handwriting completeiy O_o | 19:09 |
| SDuensin | I realized I was using my PDA too often when I wrote out a check in Graffiti. | 19:09 |
| unixSnob | SDuensin: you're using your checkbook too often, I'd say ;) | 19:09 |
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| SDuensin | unixSnob - Well, I'm married now, so I no longer have the checkbook. :-) | 19:10 |
| unixSnob | get a bill pay svc.. that way you don't have to write checks | 19:10 |
| unixSnob | or get a spouse.. that works too | 19:10 |
| johnx | heh...checks don't even exist where I'm living right now. | 19:10 |
| unixSnob | europe? | 19:11 |
| johnx | Japan | 19:11 |
| unixSnob | is it all wire transfers and credit card there? | 19:11 |
| johnx | not much of either | 19:11 |
| unixSnob | ah, pay by cellphone, right? | 19:11 |
| johnx | it's a lot of cash and rfid cards | 19:11 |
| johnx | mostly cash though | 19:11 |
| unixSnob | wow.. that's dark ages | 19:12 |
| johnx | yeah, but it's like the steampunk dark ages :P | 19:12 |
| unixSnob | I'm surprised to hear japan is heavily cash | 19:12 |
| johnx | heh...yeah, I had started getting used to carrying just a debit card with a visa logo in the states... | 19:12 |
| unixSnob | I recall using yen for everything.. but that was back in the 80s | 19:12 |
| johnx | I have an rfid train pass I can add money to...in cash | 19:13 |
| RST38h | johnx: how about heating btw? | 19:13 |
| penguinbait | wood | 19:13 |
| unixSnob | coal | 19:13 |
| johnx | :P | 19:13 |
| GAN8001 | I'm one credit card and one debit card, and very occasionally cash. | 19:13 |
| RST38h | Are rumors about using kerosene heater in one room only true? ;) | 19:13 |
| Navi | One credit, one debit, lotta cash | 19:13 |
| penguinbait | I own no credit cards | 19:13 |
| johnx | RST38h, I think my built-in AC unit does heat too, but I use a little electric space heater | 19:14 |
| RST38h | doesn't sound bad | 19:14 |
| johnx | RST38h, in some places, yes | 19:14 |
| johnx | ...but most places are basically one room | 19:14 |
| RST38h | umgh | 19:14 |
| Navi | I always pay off the balance on my credit when I use it, so no compounding interest :P | 19:14 |
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| unixSnob | electric space heater sounds terrible.. very inefficient, and poorly distributed | 19:15 |
| johnx | unixSnob, you're not picturing a Japanese apartment properly | 19:15 |
| johnx | it's probably different in bigger houses... | 19:15 |
| unixSnob | If the japs weren't shoeless in the house, they'd be better off with radiant floors | 19:15 |
| unixSnob | guess no one wants to walk on a hot tatami | 19:16 |
| johnx | not much stuff gets permanently built-in to buildings here...I don't actually know why | 19:16 |
| johnx | they really don't build to last in terms of buildings | 19:16 |
| johnx | (just cars) | 19:16 |
| unixSnob | ha.. their cars outlast their homes | 19:16 |
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| unixSnob | are house boats popular out there? | 19:17 |
| * unixSnob googles for a Nissan house boat | 19:17 | |
| johnx | ah, but paying bills is totally retro-future though: I get a bill with a barcode in the mail and pay it at any convenience store in person...but I can pay with my cell phone's rfid (if I set it up...) or cash | 19:17 |
| RST38h | unix: electric space heater is very efficient | 19:17 |
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| unixSnob | RST38h: you're nuts | 19:18 |
| johnx | yeah, I should mention that I use the electric space heater to heat *myself* not the whole damn apt | 19:18 |
| RST38h | unix: you are converting electricity to heat, directly | 19:18 |
| unixSnob | there's so much waste in producing electric, before it even reaches the space heater | 19:18 |
| unixSnob | perhaps you meant "economical" | 19:18 |
| GAN8001 | Jaffa, X-Fade, anybody else, got any suggestions for the title of the main page for this? https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days#Increase_openness | 19:18 |
| unixSnob | sometimes electricity is cheapened by political influence | 19:18 |
| GAN8001 | Mapping openness? | 19:18 |
| RST38h | unix: no, I explicitely meant conversion efficiency | 19:19 |
| unixSnob | you've thrown away 70% of the energy before it even gets to the space heater | 19:19 |
| RST38h | unix: do you suggest coal then? | 19:19 |
| unixSnob | Sure, once you accept that, it's effecient from the wall outlet to the air | 19:19 |
| GAN8001 | and does somebody want to ponder out how to make this useful for us? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Main | 19:20 |
| RST38h | unix: in an appartment building? | 19:20 |
| GAN8001 | There's too many brackets, my eyes are bleeding. | 19:20 |
| unixSnob | For efficient heating, I suggest direct conversion Eg. natural gas | 19:20 |
| RST38h | Natural Gas? :))) | 19:20 |
| RST38h | In Japan? :)))) | 19:20 |
| Jaffa | GAN8001: "Increase transparency", perhaps. | 19:20 |
| unixSnob | japan doesn't have that? | 19:20 |
| RST38h | no, unixSnob. Japan does not have natural gas. | 19:20 |
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| johnx | RST38h, uhm, really? | 19:21 |
| Jaffa | GAN8001: And then "Increase transparency plan" page | 19:21 |
| johnx | I should turn off my water heater then and figure out what it's using... | 19:21 |
| unixSnob | what about propane? | 19:21 |
| RST38h | johnx: I don't mean you can't BUY natural gas | 19:21 |
| RST38h | johnx: Just mean it is not found naturally in Japan | 19:21 |
| johnx | well, a lot of stuff isn't | 19:21 |
| GAN8001 | Jaffa, OK, that sounds fine. | 19:21 |
| RST38h | unixSnob: this stuff is expensive | 19:21 |
| johnx | meh, Japan imports a metric butt-load of stuff | 19:22 |
| RST38h | unixSnob: it does not flow out of the ground, you have to transport it by ship, store it, etc | 19:22 |
| unixSnob | Yeah, economics are not always consistent with efficiency | 19:22 |
| johnx | most of it expensive | 19:22 |
| RST38h | unixSnob: electricity you can make | 19:22 |
| RST38h | A nuclear reactor, even a small one, produces shitloads of electricity | 19:22 |
| unixSnob | usually by burning something.. what do the japanese power plants burn? | 19:22 |
| johnx | a lot of places use natural gas for heating...I don't because I'm a little paranoid | 19:22 |
| unixSnob | ah | 19:23 |
| RST38h | It actually produces heat too, and some Russian nuclear plants provide that heat to nearby cities | 19:23 |
| johnx | I could use kerosene too, but theirs that pesky "open flame...inside my apt" problem | 19:23 |
| Navi | apt-get remove open flame | 19:23 |
| johnx | I know there's plenty of nuclear plants | 19:23 |
| johnx | dunno which power source is the most prevalent | 19:24 |
| GAN8001 | Jaffa, "Increasing transparency" or "Increase transparency"? | 19:24 |
| unixSnob | ground loops are the most efficient if your temps aren't extreme | 19:24 |
| RST38h | electricity by source (in Japan): | 19:24 |
| RST38h | 2001: | 19:24 |
| RST38h | coal - 16.8%, Oil - 50.2%, Nuclear - 14.4%, Gas - 13.6% Hydro - 4% | 19:25 |
| johnx | an interestingly close split | 19:25 |
| zap | lots of oil | 19:25 |
| unixSnob | Another good option is diesel. A diesel engine makes enough heat in many cases, and the electric can be stored from that | 19:26 |
| RST38h | zap: it is 2001, oil was cheap | 19:26 |
| Navi | in 2005, Nuclear bumped up to 30% | 19:26 |
| RST38h | well, figures | 19:26 |
| johnx | yes, unixSnob, I will put a nice big V8 diesel, in my livingroom/bedroom/computer room...I fold my freaking breakfast table and store it for free space >_> | 19:27 |
| Jaffa | GAN8001: Hmm, erm, increas*ing*, I think. | 19:27 |
| penguinbait | offtopic: anyone seen the new us miliatry "RAY GUN" | 19:27 |
| penguinbait | http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/070125_ap_ray_gun.html | 19:27 |
| Navi | plan was 37% in 2009 | 19:27 |
| GAN8001 | OK, we can always move it later if need be. | 19:27 |
| unixSnob | hopefully that trend will continue Navi - nuclear is good for the global warming issue | 19:27 |
| zap | I heard some japan scientist succeeded to do cold termonuclear reaction | 19:27 |
| RST38h | zap: ACTR | 19:27 |
| zap | although that's not confirmed yet, but if so... | 19:27 |
| RST38h | Even YACTR | 19:27 |
| zap | YACTR - young adults of Christ the Redeemer Church | 19:28 |
| zap | do you mean that? | 19:28 |
| johnx | there are lots of interesting fusion reactions that can be created, but most don't produce usable electricity | 19:28 |
| unixSnob | johnx: bury the diesel outside your apt when no one is looking, and setup a heat transfer | 19:28 |
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| RST38h | zap: Yet Another Cold Thermonuclear Reaction | 19:28 |
| zap | :) | 19:28 |
| johnx | unixSnob, I'll buy you a six-pack of kirin original (beer) if you help with the install and explain to the neighbors | 19:28 |
| unixSnob | johnx: then start gathering waste oil from local restaraunts for biodiesel | 19:29 |
| GAN8001 | Jaffa, https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Increasing_transparency | 19:29 |
| unixSnob | lol | 19:29 |
| johnx | hey, don't laugh, kirin's good stuff :P | 19:29 |
| unixSnob | biodiesel is a buck a gallon, if you can get the waste oil for free | 19:29 |
| dragorn | unixSnob: plus taxes. In the US anyhow you're required to pay fuel taxes on any fuel you create. | 19:30 |
| zap | biodiesel sucks | 19:30 |
| unixSnob | actually a grease burner would make more sense.. but you'd have to explain to the neighbors why your heater smells like mcdonalds | 19:30 |
| RST38h | will probably get kicked in the butt by locla restaurant owners | 19:30 |
| johnx | unixSnob, also, my wife :P | 19:30 |
| RST38h | will then be kicked out of his appartment by the landlord | 19:30 |
| Jaffa | GAN8001: Ideally we'd tag this as being part of 100_Days, somehow | 19:30 |
| unixSnob | offer the landlord a kickback | 19:31 |
| unixSnob | boot wife, write your own checks (always an option) | 19:31 |
| RST38h | unix: Maybe just use electric heater? | 19:31 |
| GAN8001 | We _really_ need to get a team of template builders. . . . | 19:31 |
| unixSnob | yeah.. guess the electric heater doesn't sound so bad now | 19:31 |
| johnx | unixSnob, I *can't* write checks here! :P pay attention :D | 19:31 |
| Jaffa | GAN8001: Presumably templates can be parameterised? I need to do some reading up | 19:31 |
| johnx | and actually it would be the "always smells like mcdonald's part that gets her not the johnx is playing with something dangerous again part :D | 19:32 |
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| unixSnob | If you live around the odor, your olfactory senses would adapt | 19:33 |
| unixSnob | although some well designed waste oil burners will burn the byproducts as well, which is effectively clean | 19:34 |
| GAN8001 | OK, Jaffa, tagged it. Needs an icon, better text, and probably a less "warning-like" background color. | 19:34 |
| johnx | nah...I think it would be more fun if you came over and we figured out how to bury a running diesel engine | 19:34 |
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| unixSnob | johnx: just find a local rave promotor | 19:34 |
| unixSnob | Rave promotors always have to bury gas generators | 19:35 |
| johnx | heh | 19:35 |
| RST38h | unixSnob: You are overlooking an important combustible power source | 19:35 |
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| RST38h | unixSnob: Dried fecal matter. | 19:35 |
| unixSnob | good point | 19:35 |
| RST38h | After all, you already decided that the smell does not matter... | 19:36 |
| unixSnob | guess you'd bring in someone from Iceland for that | 19:36 |
| johnx | and Japan already has the most advanced toilets in the world | 19:36 |
| unixSnob | Icelanders supposedly barbeque with fecal matter | 19:36 |
| RST38h | johnx: Here is a perfect direction for technological advancement! | 19:36 |
| unixSnob | johnx: yeah, but aren't their toilets becoming more western | 19:36 |
| GAN8001 | Somebody re-write this: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days#Increasing_transparency | 19:37 |
| unixSnob | When I was there, the US style toilets were more popular in homes | 19:37 |
| johnx | more like western++ | 19:37 |
| johnx | complete with integrated heater and bidet | 19:37 |
| RST38h | urgh | 19:37 |
| unixSnob | heater? for what? | 19:37 |
| Navi | butt warmer | 19:37 |
| Navi | dur | 19:37 |
| unixSnob | can't be | 19:37 |
| johnx | eh? | 19:37 |
| Navi | :D | 19:37 |
| johnx | why not unixSnob? | 19:38 |
| RST38h | without heater, it will get all iced over in winter =) | 19:38 |
| johnx | heh...almost O_o | 19:38 |
| unixSnob | they overcomplicated it.. they should have just stuck to squatting | 19:38 |
| unixSnob | what a waste of energy | 19:38 |
| johnx | unixSnob, to borrow from slashdot: goodluckwiththat | 19:39 |
| unixSnob | I don't need to heat my ass when I dump | 19:39 |
| Navi | Lol | 19:39 |
| Navi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_toilets#Basic_features | 19:39 |
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| GAN8001 | RST38h, I think Quim's idea with new wikipages is more of a planning thing and less of a final representation thing. Like, "what should be front and center so we can make it so?". | 19:39 |
| Navi | Advanced features include heated seats | 19:39 |
| johnx | and it's not like anything could go horribly wrong: http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/16/totos-z-series-toilets-recalled-due-to-fire-hazard/ | 19:39 |
| RST38h | GAN: Once again, I do not understand high-level things | 19:39 |
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| Navi | and a proxy sensor for automatic lid opening :P | 19:40 |
| RST38h | GAN: We have got the current documentation pages at maemo.org | 19:40 |
| RST38h | GAN: These are kind of hard to navigate although they are nicely classified (and this is why they are hard to navigate :)) | 19:40 |
| Navi | I've always thought japanese toilets were pretty funny. | 19:40 |
| unixSnob | the next step: bluetooth toilets, and personalized heat settings in maemo | 19:40 |
| johnx | unixSnob, someone has done it...I have no doubt | 19:41 |
| RST38h | GAN: Making 1 doc page for each OS version fixes this problem and it does not inflate this page too much (it will be 3-5 screenfulls at most) | 19:41 |
| GAN8001 | RST38h, get to poking dneary to help focus the documentation organization. | 19:41 |
| RST38h | GAN: Creating more pages "as a planning thing" will lead to these pages staying in wiki forever and messing things up for people | 19:41 |
| * Navi doesn't like to focus :oooo | 19:41 | |
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| johnx | is anyone else having problems in diablo with app manager chaning some repositories from chinook to diablo? | 19:43 |
| GAN8001 | . . . | 19:43 |
| GAN8001 | Is the distribution field blank? | 19:43 |
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| johnx | in app manager? yeah | 19:45 |
| GAN8001 | There's your answer. :P | 19:45 |
| johnx | right, and I didn't grasp that app manager keeps a list of repos separate from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | 19:46 |
| bhaskar | anyone tried rotation with diablo ? | 19:46 |
| johnx | bhaskar, works fine | 19:46 |
| johnx | GAN8001, so I can change it there and app manager changes it back | 19:46 |
| bhaskar | Johnx: tks | 19:47 |
| johnx | you have to flash the rotation kernel of course | 19:47 |
| GAN8001 | Blank distribution line == current distribution. | 19:47 |
| bhaskar | johnx: i tried to boot without flash, but didn't work | 19:47 |
| johnx | ok, but the problem is not honoring changes made to the file in sources.list.d | 19:48 |
| johnx | bhaskar, interesting.. | 19:48 |
| johnx | I'll flash back to the rotation kernel, but it worked earlier for me | 19:48 |
| GAN8001 | johnx, I've never had that issue that I can recall | 19:48 |
| GAN8001 | Maybe it writes over on quit or something? | 19:48 |
| johnx | that's what I think | 19:49 |
| GAN8001 | Try closing Application manager, making the changes to the file and reopening? | 19:49 |
| johnx | that's what I was having problems with | 19:49 |
| johnx | making the change while app manager is closed still leads to app manager not honoring that file, then writing back diablo instead of chinook | 19:50 |
| johnx | I'll write up a bug for it tomorrow...but for now, sleep | 19:52 |
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| GAN8001 | 'night | 19:52 |
| johnx | good luck with the wiki | 19:53 |
| GAN8001 | Hehe, thanks, I think I may need it. | 19:53 |
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| GAN8001 | Jaffa, OK, I figured out the Main template | 19:58 |
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| GAN8001 | It's {{{1}}}, {{{2}}} for {{main|1|2}} | 19:59 |
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| GAN8001 | I still need somebody to write me decent summaries for https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days#Increasing_transparency and https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days#maemo.org | 20:01 |
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| florian | hi konttori | 20:01 |
| konttori | hi florian! | 20:02 |
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| GAN8001 | What a brick: http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/gigabytes-m704-umpc-gets-reviewed-and-unboxed/ | 20:10 |
| johnx | to be fair, it's a umpc not an mid | 20:11 |
| GAN8001 | It's still a brick. :P | 20:11 |
| johnx | still, I don't know how anyone holds something like that for any length of time | 20:11 |
| glass | it looks sorta nice. lacks gaming buttons tho | 20:12 |
| GAN8001 | BRICK! :P | 20:12 |
| glass | and whats the waste of space on the kb.. | 20:12 |
| GAN8001 | That's a freaking VGA port on the bottom. | 20:12 |
| glass | yeah so | 20:12 |
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| glass | different use | 20:13 |
| glass | it probably costs a bit too | 20:13 |
| GAN8001 | Endurance training for your arms? | 20:14 |
| lcuk | nuclear weapon shield | 20:14 |
| glass | one would probably have it against your leg or something if in a bus or so | 20:14 |
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| johnx | one would pretty much have to | 20:15 |
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| glass | the kb/price are what kills it's market probably tho | 20:15 |
| johnx | but then one would have trouble seeing the small screen (in my case at least) | 20:15 |
| glass | dunno. i wouldn't if i wear my glasses | 20:16 |
| glass | and if i dont' i'd have to keep it 5cm from my face anyways so | 20:16 |
| johnx | I'm picturing using a screen that size with it sitting on my lap... | 20:17 |
| johnx | I'd have to see it in person I guess, but I'm skeptical | 20:17 |
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| johnx | sad :( google translate can't translate google's own pages :/ | 20:21 |
| MangoFusion | umpc's with crappy battery life (i.e. same or worse than laptops) just don't make sense to me :( | 20:21 |
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| johnx | the umpc form factor (ie, bigger/heavier than an MID) doesn't make sense to me | 20:22 |
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| lcuk | mmmm nVidia tegra: At its heart it combines an 800MHz ARM processor with GeForce graphics... lots of battery life. would prefer that over intel offering | 20:26 |
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| mgedmin | nvidia -> no docs, no free drivers | 20:27 |
| mgedmin | kinda like what you already have with the povervr | 20:27 |
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| lcuk | exactly, but i dont like intel and have nvidia (and amd) here. if i can cut out amd (for being evil and not buying nvidia..) then i am ok | 20:28 |
| GAN800 | I don't buy their numbers. | 20:29 |
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| GAN800 | Seems like somebodt dropped an extra zero in there or they're taling MID formfactor with laptop sized battery. | 20:30 |
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| GAN800 | Either way, I'll stick to an established player and platform (i.e. TI and OMAP) for now, thanks. ;) | 20:31 |
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| lcuk | well arm+geforce are pretty established, we just haven't tasted their soda yet. | 20:36 |
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| mgedmin | how's the power usage? | 20:37 |
| mgedmin | I had the impression this was intel's strong side | 20:37 |
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| GAN800 | GeForce in the context of desktop rigs, not mobile devices. ;) | 20:37 |
| wolfspirit | curious.. what OS/distro are most of you running on your nokia? OS2007, OS2008, straight debian, etc. | 20:37 |
| glass | theorectic battery use isn't worth much, without knowing all the stuff that the thing will need too | 20:37 |
| GAN800 | OS2008 | 20:37 |
| mgedmin | ARM on a desktop? | 20:38 |
| penguinbait | 08 with KDE | 20:38 |
| Anunakin | OS2008, OS2008 w/ KDE on microSD and Debian trial BOOT | 20:40 |
| mgedmin | just OS2008 | 20:41 |
| wolfspirit | how is booting from an SD? I would imagine it might be kind of unstable.. there has been a couple of times where the internal memory card "blinked" for a second | 20:42 |
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| GAN8001 | It's fine, wolfspirit. | 20:45 |
| GAN8001 | Marginally faster than booting from the flash. | 20:45 |
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| * unixSnob ran osso_pdfviewer filename.pdf and pdf viewer did not open the document.. what am I missing? | 20:47 | |
| lcuk | doesnt that depend upon the speed class of mmc used? | 20:47 |
| unixSnob | s/am I/is he/ | 20:47 |
| GAN8001 | lcuk, unless you're buying exceptionally shitty SD cards. . . . | 20:48 |
| mgedmin | unixSnob: maemo-launcher sillyness | 20:48 |
| lcuk | GAN8001, i meant the opposite, if you buy a class 6 isnt that noticably faster than the internal | 20:49 |
| mgedmin | the pdf viewer only processes dbus requests to open a file | 20:49 |
| GAN8001 | lcuk, no. | 20:49 |
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| GAN8001 | Maybe in booting | 20:49 |
| GAN8001 | But not in regular usage. | 20:49 |
| GAN8001 | and I'm pretty sure we can attribute the booting speed to jffs2 nonsense. | 20:49 |
| lcuk | file access on the whole would be faster, ie if all my dev libraries and headers were on faster card when i compile it should be faster | 20:49 |
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| hrhr | who know, where I can download latest firmware for n810 without requesting wlan adress? | 20:50 |
| * unixSnob searches for 'dbus' | 20:50 | |
| GAN8001 | hrhr, maybe tpb | 20:50 |
| hrhr | tpb? | 20:50 |
| GAN8001 | Why don't you want to give the wlan, though> | 20:50 |
| lcuk | hrhr, why do you need the firmware without a wlan address? | 20:50 |
| GAN8001 | ? | 20:50 |
| hrhr | my n810 will shiped to me in friday, I want download now =) | 20:51 |
| lcuk | but by friday the new image might be out :) have patience young NIT user | 20:51 |
| mgedmin | hrhr: try searching for a torrent of the image | 20:52 |
| mgedmin | then when you get the device, download the md5sums from the official site with your wlan id and check that you got a good image | 20:52 |
| hrhr | mgedmin: what the name of it? | 20:52 |
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| GAN8001 | New google favicons. | 20:52 |
| mgedmin | I believe the filename is present in the "download the os image" link on maemo.org/downloads | 20:52 |
| mgedmin | RX-44-something | 20:53 |
| mgedmin | no | 20:53 |
| mgedmin | maybe that was a wiki? | 20:53 |
| mgedmin | RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 20:53 |
| mrglinux | are there any know ..can i have n810 from china ... because i asked from dubai (AE) they didn't have.. do you think can i find from china ? | 20:53 |
| hrhr | where I can read about structure of firmware for modifying it ? | 20:54 |
| GAN8001 | maemo.org | 20:54 |
| mgedmin | there was a howto on the wiki | 20:54 |
| lcuk | hrhr, you really dont sound like you want it for your just about to arrive new device | 20:54 |
| mgedmin | how to modify the root fs | 20:54 |
| mgedmin | or something | 20:54 |
| mgedmin | what other uses are there for it? | 20:55 |
| lcuk | just come out and tell us what you need to extract from the image | 20:55 |
| lcuk | :P | 20:55 |
| mrglinux | nobody hasn't no idea ? | 20:55 |
| mgedmin | mrglinux: it's hard to understand your question | 20:55 |
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| lcuk | mrglinux, i dont know which countries the 810 is available in, try searching nokia site | 20:55 |
| mgedmin | do you want to buy a n810, and don't know where you can do that? | 20:56 |
| hrhr | anyone are from Russia here? | 20:56 |
| mrglinux | mgedmin: exactly .. and i can just buy from dubai (that they didn't have) and china that i hope find that | 20:56 |
| mgedmin | mrglinux: http://www.nseries.com/index.html#l=shop has a list of online shops | 20:58 |
| mgedmin | the shop for mainland china doesn't list the n810 :( | 20:58 |
| mrglinux | and i said it's better to ask here.. maybe someone bought from china and they guide me | 20:58 |
| mgedmin | I had to get a friend in the US buy mine, and a coworker who was traveling to the US to bring it over | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | I had to wait a few months :( | 20:59 |
| mrglinux | mgedmin it's not important online shop doesn't have.. i can buy from shop..but i be certain i can find that | 20:59 |
| mrglinux | why it is the status of this tablet ? | 21:00 |
| hrhr | Are all n810 built in Finland or not? | 21:00 |
| mrglinux | it limited number | 21:00 |
| GAN8001 | Finland and Korea | 21:01 |
| unixSnob | what's ironic is these things are probably made in China xD | 21:01 |
| hrhr | GAN8001: what difference? | 21:01 |
| GAN8001 | None | 21:01 |
| hrhr | quality? | 21:01 |
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| GAN8001 | unixSnob, no, Korea and Finland. | 21:01 |
| unixSnob | hmm.. nope, actually made in korea | 21:02 |
| GAN8001 | None that I've ever been able to find or heard reported, hrhr | 21:02 |
| hrhr | GAN8001: thx | 21:02 |
| mrglinux | GAN8001: why nokia has not bring in reseller in other country .. (specially famous country and city like dubai ) ? | 21:02 |
| hrhr | how persent of devices have dead pixels? | 21:02 |
| GAN8001 | None that I've ever heard of, hrhr. | 21:03 |
| GAN8001 | You likely wouldn't be able to tell if there were, anyway. 225ppi | 21:03 |
| GAN8001 | mrglinux, Asian is largely unsupported by Nokia at this point. | 21:04 |
| hrhr | good...and one thing...what quality of slider n810? | 21:04 |
| mgedmin | one of my 770s had a live blue pixel | 21:05 |
| hrhr | no info about hacking firmwares on wiki at maemo.org =( | 21:05 |
| GAN8001 | hrhr, what do you want to do? | 21:05 |
| unixSnob | I've heard most Asian PDAs and phones are linux-based.. so perhaps Nokia doesn't want to compete in that market | 21:05 |
| GAN8001 | We could probably help you if you stated your intentions. | 21:06 |
| mrglinux | GAN8001: but i think dubai is different .. china too .. most product of nokia has made in china.. and each product have you thought find in dubai but just this product doesn't .. and i dont know why is that status | 21:06 |
| hrhr | GAN8001: I want to understand how to separate in kernel root and other parts | 21:06 |
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| GAN8001 | hrhr, ./flasher-3.0 -F <FIASCO image> -u | 21:07 |
| mgedmin | hrhr: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/modifyingrootimage/ | 21:07 |
| GAN8001 | mrglinux, the platform doesn't have great support for Asian languages right now. | 21:07 |
| keesj | X-Fade: launchpad sounds good | 21:07 |
| hrhr | thx, will read =) | 21:07 |
| mgedmin | it is a bit old... | 21:08 |
| mgedmin | but the principle is the same | 21:08 |
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| mgedmin | flasher can unpack the fiasco image into parts, one of which is the jffs2 root filesystem image | 21:08 |
| mgedmin | a 64MB fake MTD device will be too small for OS2008 | 21:09 |
| mgedmin | and you may need to fiddle with kernel options to have it reserve enough ram for 128MB images | 21:09 |
| mgedmin | by 'kernel options' I mean the kernel command line | 21:09 |
| mgedmin | you'll know if you get errors trying to modprobe the mtd device | 21:10 |
| hrhr | I know how read jffs,thx | 21:10 |
| mrglinux | GAN8001: but i read about n810 and it was said support arabic too.. also the os is linux .. and linux need some future to support another language .. and now we can ask why NOKIA hasn't supported asian language and i don't think so border it to add this future on it | 21:10 |
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| hrhr | and after modifying I can build with flasher helps new firmware image? | 21:12 |
| GAN8001 | mrglinux, 3rd party asian language support is sorta there in a half-baked sort of way, but official support isn't. | 21:12 |
| GAN8001 | mrglinux, they're moving towards it (Diablo has much better built-in support as far as I can tell). | 21:12 |
| GAN8001 | but it's not there yet. | 21:12 |
| GAN8001 | They have limited resources to accomplish certain things, and asian language support hasn't been super high up on that list of things. | 21:13 |
| lcuk | sure it is, but its a long list :) | 21:13 |
| mrglinux | it's so bad | 21:13 |
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| GAN8001 | mrglinux, and don't extrapolate experience with Nokia and maemo to Linux as a whole. | 21:15 |
| mrglinux | GAN8001: what do you mean? | 21:16 |
| hrhr | one man seeding firmware on TPB =) | 21:16 |
| GAN8001 | "also the os is linux .. and linux need some future to support another language .. " | 21:17 |
| GAN8001 | Linux isn't the issue. | 21:17 |
| GAN8001 | Nokia's asian language support is. | 21:17 |
| hrhr | can I boot different kernel from sd card with root on sd and all stuff? | 21:19 |
| mrglinux | hmm... | 21:19 |
| Italodance | ummm what's it? http://benaneely.googlepages.com/img_1520.jpg | 21:19 |
| GAN8001 | vnc, Italodance. | 21:20 |
| Italodance | vnc player for n800? | 21:20 |
| GAN8001 | hrhr, read up on fanoush's initfs | 21:20 |
| Italodance | it's like a winamp cool | 21:20 |
| GAN8001 | No, Italodance, look up vnc | 21:20 |
| Italodance | oh | 21:21 |
| GAN8001 | It's like RemoteDesktop | 21:21 |
| Italodance | GAN8001 can it install on my n800? | 21:21 |
| wiza | shit, trying to install mplayer buy repository is down :( | 21:21 |
| GAN8001 | vncviewer | 21:21 |
| wiza | or least I think it is | 21:21 |
| hrhr | it's remote x app throught ssh | 21:21 |
| GAN8001 | Working fine here, wiza. | 21:21 |
| Italodance | GAN8001 vncviewer is just for remote or player too? | 21:21 |
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| GAN8001 | Italodance, again, look up vnc | 21:22 |
| GAN8001 | It has nothing to do with music playback. | 21:22 |
| Italodance | ok | 21:22 |
| Italodance | GAN8001 do u know a cool app like winamp for n800? | 21:22 |
| hrhr | all: any expirience with build sdk on gentoo for ver. 2008? | 21:23 |
| unixSnob | Italodance: canola | 21:23 |
| GAN8001 | There's only about a thousand media player apps, Italodance: http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/multimedia/ | 21:23 |
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| Italodance | unixSnob no i want an equalizer | 21:24 |
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| Italodance | mms didn't install well on my n800 | 21:24 |
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| mrglinux | what is your mind about this picture ? http://www.lessaid.net/fun/apt-get-wife.png :-D ? | 21:26 |
| Italodance | hello mrglinux | 21:27 |
| Italodance | khobi to? | 21:27 |
| mrglinux | Italodance hi.. | 21:27 |
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| mrglinux | Italodance can speak persian ? | 21:27 |
| Italodance | lol baba toham keh hafezeh nadari | 21:28 |
| mrglinux | **you | 21:28 |
| mrglinux | Italodance ahan | 21:28 |
| mrglinux | salam | 21:28 |
| mrglinux | Italodance i remember you now | 21:28 |
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| Italodance | please tell me someone mms can install on os2008? without x-term just a normal install | 21:29 |
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| Italodance | <mrglinux> GAN8001: why nokia has not bring in reseller in other country .. (specially famous country and city like dubai ) ? lol | 21:30 |
| mrglinux | Italodance: i ask my friend to buy n810 from dubai but he searched from some big store and he couldn't find .. what do you think ? | 21:30 |
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| Italodance | mrglinux to technotux | 21:30 |
| hrhr | have the n810 hard reset function? | 21:32 |
| mgedmin | hrhr: reflashing the OS image is the equivalent of a hard reset | 21:33 |
| mgedmin | Italodance: what's mms? | 21:33 |
| GAN8001 | xmms | 21:34 |
| mgedmin | oh ghod, is that beast still alive? | 21:34 |
| mgedmin | gtk 1.2 yuckery | 21:34 |
| hrhr | mgedmin: how about magic combo with formatting something | 21:35 |
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| mgedmin | hrhr: nope | 21:35 |
| hrhr | ok | 21:35 |
| hrhr | how I can kill n810 wih reflashing? | 21:36 |
| hrhr | *with | 21:36 |
| mgedmin | pull the cable in the middle | 21:36 |
| mgedmin | have the battery run out in the middle | 21:36 |
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| puffandstuff | hello | 21:36 |
| puffandstuff | i'm running sbox-CHINOOK_X86 and trying to intall new applications | 21:36 |
| mgedmin | hrhr: I think it's pretty hard to really kill a n810 while reflashing | 21:37 |
| mgedmin | maybe if you flash the boot loader and that fails | 21:37 |
| puffandstuff | i would like to kno where are located the default displayed forlders : audio clips, documents etc | 21:37 |
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| GAN800 | It can only be killed if the NOLO flash gets screwed up. | 21:37 |
| mgedmin | puffandstuff: ~/MyDocs/ | 21:37 |
| hrhr | mgedmin: in zaurus world it's realy hard, but I not know how it in n810 =) | 21:37 |
| GAN800 | and that window of opportunity is significantly shorter than a second. | 21:38 |
| mgedmin | in directories cleverly named .sounds, .documents, .video | 21:38 |
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| mgedmin | GAN800: I think someone said today or yesterday that the initfs was also needed for reflashing | 21:38 |
| mgedmin | I hope that's wrong | 21:38 |
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| GAN8001 | mgedmin, they're wrong. | 21:39 |
| GAN8001 | Just NOLO. | 21:39 |
| GAN8001 | I know fanoush wouldn't be cavalier about distributing an initfs flasher if that were the case. ;) | 21:40 |
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| mgedmin | good | 21:41 |
| GAN8001 | Still trying to talk somebody into improving the summaries for this https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days#Increasing_transparency and this https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days#maemo.org Just use the information from the main articles. | 21:41 |
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| puffandstuff | mgedmin, sorry i didnt understand | 21:45 |
| * mgedmin blinks | 21:46 | |
| mgedmin | do you know what ~ means in linux systems? | 21:46 |
| mgedmin | it's a shortcut for the home directory | 21:46 |
| mgedmin | so ~/MyDocs would be /home/user/MyDocs in scratchbox | 21:47 |
| mgedmin | and inside you'll find the audio clips, documents and other folders | 21:47 |
| mgedmin | but those are hidden (i.e. their names start with a .) | 21:47 |
| mgedmin | use ls -A to see them | 21:47 |
| puffandstuff | mgedmin, i agree MyDocs is a part of posix | 21:47 |
| mgedmin | what? I'm pretty sure the POSIX standard never mentions the name 'MyDocs' | 21:47 |
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| hrhr | need I protect cover for n810 screen? | 21:48 |
| GAN8001 | hrhr, I recommend a screen protector | 21:48 |
| GAN8001 | I like the Boxwave anti-glare | 21:48 |
| GAN8001 | Good texture, help a lot with glare. | 21:48 |
| puffandstuff | mgedmin, do you know what 'ironic' is ? thanks btw for your answer (i'm trying to read any paper i can find about maemo i'm not asking to piss you) | 21:49 |
| hrhr | GAN8001: ok,thx | 21:49 |
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| GAN800 | mgedmin, O_o ?? | 21:49 |
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| mgedmin | well that was a bit weird | 21:51 |
| mgedmin | I shall go and look up 'ironic' in a dictionary | 21:51 |
| GAN800 | Ha | 21:51 |
| wolfspirit | has anyone been able to get golden sun working on vgba? | 21:51 |
| GAN800 | I doubt you'll find his definition anywhere in there. :P | 21:51 |
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| Jaffa | GAN80001: Comments welcome: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days#Community-led_action_plan_process | 22:15 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: I moved some of the styling to CSS, do you want me to move more? | 22:16 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: wherever possible, that'd be great - as we're bound to use it in more than one place. | 22:16 |
| X-Fade | Probably ;) | 22:17 |
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| GAN8001 | Jaffa, seems fine. Be a little clearer/more verbose on the purpose and intentions though. | 22:20 |
| GAN8001 | We need a strong community leader. | 22:22 |
| keesj | indeed | 22:22 |
| * Jaffa thinks he's just volunteered :-) | 22:24 | |
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| keesj | GAN8001 is not nokian? | 22:25 |
| GAN8001 | Ah, excellent, Jaffa. | 22:25 |
| Jaffa | No, good point - maybe GAN8001 just volunteered ;-) | 22:25 |
| wolfspirit | has anyone ever got awt with java working on an nit? | 22:25 |
| GAN8001 | Definitely not, keesj. :P | 22:25 |
| * GAN8001 doesn't want it! | 22:25 | |
| keesj | I would vote for Jaffa | 22:25 |
| GAN8001 | Ditto | 22:25 |
| X-Fade | GAN8001 has too much fun without the burdon/hassle ;) | 22:25 |
| GAN8001 | ^^^^^^^ | 22:26 |
| GAN8001 | I do not I want, not what I'm obligated to. :P | 22:26 |
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| GAN8001 | X-Fade, can you delete the "Donations" link from the sidebar on the mediawiki? | 22:27 |
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| Crofton | hey, I have kind of an emergency question | 22:28 |
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| Crofton | My friend jsut bought a N810 to bicycle across the US with | 22:28 |
| Crofton | and it won't boot (and he is on slow internet) | 22:28 |
| GAN8001 | Reboot loop or low battery? | 22:29 |
| Crofton | basicaly, the blue progress bar goes across the bottom all the way and then stops | 22:29 |
| Crofton | He says he has it plugged in | 22:29 |
| Crofton | he just bought this, did he ned to update sw r something? | 22:30 |
| X-Fade | GAN8001: If I knew how ;) Mediawiki:Sidebar does not have the Donations link in there. It is something that gets added automatically? | 22:30 |
| X-Fade | Do we need the community portal link btw? | 22:30 |
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| GAN8001 | Crofton, it probably didn't ship with the most recent firmware | 22:30 |
| GAN8001 | though that really wouldn't have anything to do with booting issues. | 22:31 |
| Crofton | I'm not sure | 22:31 |
| Crofton | he bought it a week ago and has been doing great | 22:31 |
| keesj | Jaffa: more seriousely. the wiki pages are already to much for me to gasp. | 22:31 |
| GAN8001 | X-Fade, no, probably not. | 22:31 |
| Crofton | now he is at his in-laws and gets on a train to the west coast tomorrow :) | 22:31 |
| keesj | Crofton: tel him to invest his time on http://www.obico.de/ so he will be happy next year | 22:32 |
| GAN8001 | Crofton, he should just flash it. | 22:32 |
| Crofton | heh | 22:32 |
| Crofton | apparently "dial up" is involved | 22:32 |
| GAN8001 | Ouch | 22:32 |
| Crofton | crap, I wish this had happened before he left town | 22:33 |
| GAN8001 | Uh, well, he could bike out to a McDonalds, download the firmware there, then bring it back to flash. . . . | 22:33 |
| GAN8001 | The Windows flasher allows you to pick a local file, right? | 22:33 |
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| GAN8001 | keesj, you mean the mediawiki syntax or the brainstorm pages? | 22:34 |
| keesj | yes , that single 10 day page | 22:35 |
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| keesj | I need to be fed one item at the time | 22:35 |
| GAN8001 | It's a little busy | 22:36 |
| Crofton | are the 810 updates at maemo.org? | 22:36 |
| GAN8001 | I was trying to pull things off into separate pages. | 22:36 |
| GAN8001 | Crofton, tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php | 22:36 |
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| X-Fade | GAN8001: I have cleaned up the sidebar. | 22:36 |
| keesj | GAN8001: that is a very bad idea IMHO | 22:36 |
| GAN8001 | keesj, recommended by Quim and others. :P | 22:36 |
| GAN8001 | Leave a summary on the main page and pull the nitty gritty off into a "main" article. | 22:37 |
| GAN8001 | Like: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days#Increasing_transparency | 22:37 |
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| GAN8001 | X-Fade, think there should be some links to maemo.org proper in the sidebar? | 22:38 |
| keesj | I did not wat to give non positive energy | 22:38 |
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| X-Fade | GAN8001: Yes, but what shoud it say? maemo.org -> http://maemo.org ? :) | 22:39 |
| X-Fade | *should | 22:39 |
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| GAN8001 | [http://www.maemo.org/ maemo.org] | 22:40 |
| GAN8001 | Maybe Bugzilla, Downloads and Garage, too? | 22:40 |
| Crofton | He re-seated the SD card and it booted | 22:40 |
| GAN8001 | Crofton, orly? | 22:40 |
| GAN8001 | Interesting. . . . | 22:40 |
| Crofton | I told him to get this, so it better work :) | 22:40 |
| Crofton | in a few weeks he should see a friedn with fast internet | 22:40 |
| X-Fade | GAN8001: I think I could better make a big template for the wiki so it has the same head as maemo.org? | 22:40 |
| Crofton | this is their principle communication device for three months | 22:40 |
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| GAN8001 | X-Fade, I was thinking about that the other day | 22:41 |
| Crofton | http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/page/?o=3Tzut&page_id=77478&v=6 | 22:42 |
| Crofton | N810 mention at the end | 22:42 |
| GAN8001 | Yes, I think it would probably be good to integrate it into the site better. | 22:42 |
| GAN8001 | Though there is a certain warm familiarity to the basic mediawiki layout. | 22:42 |
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| leandroal | hello... is farsight 2 available for maemo? | 22:43 |
| X-Fade | Sure, but we would only have the head. The rest stays MediaWiki like.. | 22:43 |
| GAN8001 | X-Fade, see here for how NOT to go about it, anyway. ;) http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page | 22:43 |
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| X-Fade | GAN8001: Ugh... | 22:43 |
| GAN8001 | lol | 22:43 |
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| Tester_ | leandroal: not yet officially | 22:44 |
| Tester_ | it should build and work | 22:44 |
| Tester_ | if you have a recent enough gstreamer | 22:44 |
| leandroal | Tester_, thank you for the answer. Since it is possible to test and make it work in maemo, where can I obtain more information to do this? | 22:45 |
| GAN8001 | X-Fade, be nice if you could drop the mediawiki sidebar completely if you add the maemo.org header to the top. | 22:46 |
| GAN8001 | The two Search boxes will be bad, anyway, I think. | 22:46 |
| Tester_ | leandroal: hmm... you ask me... (here or in #farsight) what exactly do you want to do? | 22:46 |
| X-Fade | GAN8001: Or make it real simple like: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php | 22:46 |
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| GAN8001 | Oh, wow, this new? | 22:47 |
| X-Fade | No, I have announced that some time ago. | 22:47 |
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| GAN8001 | Yes, I remember now. | 22:47 |
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| X-Fade | I improved it some more. I will probably need to blog about it again ;) | 22:47 |
| GAN8001 | Anyway, yeah, looks fine. | 22:47 |
| leandroal | Tester_, I want to execute that example of videoconference into the device | 22:48 |
| mgedmin | hi, jott | 22:48 |
| leandroal | Tester_, fs2-gui.py | 22:48 |
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| X-Fade | GAN8001: I did the same trick for search.maemo.org. Which is a google search box. | 22:48 |
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| GAN8001 | Where is dneary hiding? | 22:50 |
| GAN8001 | I want the midgard wiki killed dead already. | 22:51 |
| X-Fade | I haven't seen him online today. | 22:51 |
| X-Fade | btw, did anyone see lardman online today? | 22:51 |
| X-Fade | It is his birthday. | 22:51 |
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| pupnik_ | it's surprising any of us are online | 22:52 |
| X-Fade | pupnik_: It wasn't that much beer ;) | 22:52 |
| GAN8001 | Ha | 22:53 |
| * mgedmin almost caught up with his mail & blogs | 22:53 | |
| GAN8001 | X-Fade, did rm_you ever actually manage to get ahold of you? | 22:53 |
| hrw | morning | 22:53 |
| pupnik_ | hey X-Fade got any pics? | 22:54 |
| hrw | pupnik_: hi | 22:54 |
| hrw | when release? | 22:54 |
| ImMelody | 'erro | 22:54 |
| pupnik_ | heya hrw | 22:54 |
| pupnik_ | i'd love pics of the pizza night in the tiergarten | 22:54 |
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| Tester_ | ah that should work if you have all of the proper packages... newer gst, recent enough pygst, etc | 22:55 |
| leandroal | Tester_, so, I just need to build farsight 2 in the scratchbox? | 22:56 |
| pupnik_ | release what hrw? | 22:56 |
| Tester_ | yes | 22:56 |
| Tester_ | get the git trunk | 22:56 |
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| Tester_ | but you need all the update gst/etc | 22:56 |
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| hrw | pupnik_: nothing - wrong window | 22:57 |
| leandroal | Tester_, good! ;) | 22:57 |
| leandroal | I will try | 22:57 |
| leandroal | thank you... | 22:57 |
| leandroal | :) | 22:57 |
| X-Fade | GAN8001: Nope.. | 22:58 |
| GAN8001 | Haha | 22:58 |
| GAN8001 | He must've highlighted you damn near a hundred times. | 22:58 |
| X-Fade | pupnik_: A few. Noting much.. | 22:58 |
| X-Fade | GAN8001: When? | 22:58 |
| GAN8001 | Before you got back from LinuxTag | 22:59 |
| GAN8001 | See the logs from Thursday to Sunday | 22:59 |
| X-Fade | Ah, well I had a 2 day away from PC weekend.. | 22:59 |
| X-Fade | So I still have to catch up :) | 22:59 |
| mgedmin | smart | 22:59 |
| GAN8001 | You probably have something like 200 highlights in there from rm_you and others. | 22:59 |
| X-Fade | What was it about? | 23:00 |
| GAN8001 | It was "highlight X-Fade as many times as possible" weekend. :P | 23:00 |
| andre___ | harhar | 23:00 |
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| GAN8001 | I kept bugging him about getting adv-backlight Extras, so he started trying to bug you about Extras. | 23:00 |
| GAN8001 | We got a few in on andre___, too. :D | 23:00 |
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| andre___ | yeah, but i was only away for two days :) | 23:00 |
| X-Fade | Ah I see a lot of pokes. | 23:01 |
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| andre___ | and i normally shut down my computer when not here :) | 23:01 |
| X-Fade | But no actual questions? :) | 23:01 |
| GAN8001 | He just wants access. | 23:01 |
| X-Fade | To? extras? | 23:02 |
| GAN8001 | The rest of them were just me saying how awesome the work on the website was going. ;) | 23:02 |
| GAN8001 | Yeah | 23:02 |
| X-Fade | Why doesn't he then just follow the instructions? :) | 23:02 |
| GAN8001 | Dunno, but feel free to make fun of him for it. | 23:03 |
| X-Fade | Or even better: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php?target=invitation_request :) | 23:03 |
| X-Fade | No need to even type the email anymore ;) | 23:03 |
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| GAN8001 | Can I file on his behalf? | 23:05 |
| X-Fade | GAN8001: Nah, just let him poke me some more ;) | 23:05 |
| GAN8001 | Haha | 23:06 |
| X-Fade | No, it will fill in your info in the mail. | 23:06 |
| GAN8001 | More than what I see onscreen? | 23:06 |
| GAN8001 | I can't just replace generalantilles with rm_you? | 23:06 |
| X-Fade | Yes, email etc.. | 23:06 |
| GAN8001 | OK, good to know. | 23:06 |
| X-Fade | So the admins can just hit reply ;) | 23:06 |
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| * GAN8001 was all set to impersonate everybody. | 23:07 | |
| X-Fade | Which would be me, I'm lazy :D | 23:07 |
| GAN8001 | Lazy! Woo! | 23:07 |
| * GAN8001 high-fives X-Fade | 23:07 | |
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| X-Fade | Only lazy when a better solution in available though. | 23:07 |
| skibur | anybody have a eblogger page? | 23:07 |
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| skibur | I mean a blogger page | 23:10 |
| X-Fade | Yep, I do. | 23:10 |
| skibur | may I see it? trying to recreate a decent blog page | 23:10 |
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| X-Fade | http://communitizer.blogspot.com/ | 23:11 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, I know. A lot of dots :) | 23:12 |
| skibur | thanks | 23:12 |
| GAN8001 | That sidebar is so huge | 23:12 |
| ZOm81e | Hi all, is anyone able to explain this error regarding disk being 'too big for this kernel' http://pastebin.com/m140cc17c | 23:12 |
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| X-Fade | GAN8001: Yeah, but it makes your content look bigger ;) | 23:12 |
| GAN8001 | <_< | 23:13 |
| ZOm81e | the device is a n770 running clean install from latest nokia release | 23:13 |
| X-Fade | GAN8001: On a wide page it is only 4 lines ;) | 23:13 |
| X-Fade | GAN8001: On my 1920x1200 screen, I can fit the entire blog post on one line orso :) | 23:13 |
| penguinbait | how big is the disk? | 23:13 |
| GAN8001 | Horizontal scrolling in windowed mode on the tablet | 23:13 |
| GAN8001 | SHUN! | 23:13 |
| X-Fade | GAN8001: Yeah, but I think I can better use the time to make maemo better. | 23:14 |
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| GAN8001 | What an excuse. . . . | 23:14 |
| ZOm81e | penguinbait its a 60 gig disk in a usb caddy, I have a hub with the 5v wired across to the host port and the 770 in host mode | 23:14 |
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| pupnik_ | lcuk ping | 23:16 |
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| penguinbait | I used a 500GB disk usb to my 800 and it worked great | 23:16 |
| pupnik_ | X-Fade: can i ask you a question? | 23:16 |
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| ZOm81e | yeah I have had this disk in there once before, same model of hub with same wiring and it was ok but I blew that hub up and now it doesn't work with this new one, i'm not sure if its the hub or the device | 23:17 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: is the mediawiki's "Subscribe to changes" supposed to work? I've not got anything through. | 23:19 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: I haven't had any mails from it at least. And I subscribed too. | 23:20 |
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| X-Fade | But I do see the list of changes that I have subscribed to. | 23:21 |
| ZOm81e | hmm I removed wire from hub and plugged into PC instead and the disk just spins up and down a lot, maybe hub is bust | 23:22 |
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| X-Fade | bbtm | 23:25 |
| penguinbait | I used this hub on my 770, years ago when I had a 770 | 23:27 |
| penguinbait | http://www.pcworld.com/shopping/detail/prtprdid,17307927-sortby,retailer/specs.html | 23:27 |
| penguinbait | I did not have to cross any wires, I just used a usb cable with an extra usb power conector on it | 23:28 |
| ZOm81e | penguinbait thanks may get one | 23:29 |
| ZOm81e | yeah got it, the crap psu on the hub can't provide enough power | 23:31 |
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| ZOm81e | with the extra flying usb wire in my laptop giving the power its fine | 23:33 |
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| Jaffa | GAN8001: tried to firm up the text a bit, don't want to impose my will too much too soon: a) it won't get traction, b) I'm often wrong :-) | 23:37 |
| penguinbait | you too | 23:38 |
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| GAN8001 | Jaffa, initiative is good. ;) | 23:41 |
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| GAN8001 | So, wikipedia has WikiProjects for organizing work on certain facets of the wiki, what about something similar (but much smaller in scale and more generic) for us on wikimaemo? To have a centralized place to go for work on the wiki. | 23:50 |
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