IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2007-07-04

_Shurik_hm, so when I try to register for IPKall, it asks for SIP phone number00:00
nate12o6google talk does not use sip yet. and it doesnt provide a pstn gateway00:00
Specah, ok00:00
_Shurik_how do I get that?00:00
nate12o6_Shurik_ you get your sip number after you register the gizmo project00:00
nate12o6_Shurik_: it is free to reg00:00
_Shurik_I am registered with gizmodo00:00
_Shurik_but I only have username though00:00
_Shurik_crap00:00
_Shurik_Gizmo I mean :-D00:00
nate12o6go to gizmoproject.com and login00:00
_Shurik_okay00:01
nate12o6and it will give you all yoru info00:01
_Shurik_ahha, let's seeee00:01
_Shurik_so kewl00:01
nate12o6now if i can get the voipbuster account working when i get off of work you will have free incomeing and outgoing calls.00:02
Specnate12o6: are you often in this channel?00:02
Specnate12o6: because one day i'm gonna bug you about getting voip working, but i'm working on something else first :o)00:02
nate12o6Spec: i will probably be hanging out a little more to find someone to help me get the pptp working00:02
nate12o6Spec: sure no prob00:03
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ttuttleIs it "okay" to upgrade packages from Hacker 2007 with replacements from nokia's or maemo's bora repositories?00:03
nate12o6its very eassy to set up00:03
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Specso what qemu-arm should i use to cross compile onto the n770?00:04
_Shurik_wtf! Kicked me off into Effnet server00:05
_Shurik_wicked00:05
Specchoices are: qemu-arm-0.7.0-sb2, qemu-arm-0.8.0-m2, qemu-arm-0.8.0-sb2, qemu-arm-0.8.1-sb2, qemu-arm-0.8.2-sb2, qemu-armeb-0.8.1-sb2, qemu-armeb-0.8.2-sb200:05
nate12o6Spec: are you asking me?00:05
Specnope, asking the channel00:06
nate12o6_Shurik_: did you get it working?00:06
pupniki never saw those armeb's00:06
pupniki am using qemu-arm-0.8.1-sb200:06
Specif it works for you, i'mma use the same one :o)00:07
pupnikyou can set up additional targets, with different cpu transparency, if that doesn't work for you00:07
Specyeap00:07
_Shurik_nate: I'm looking for a Gizmo Project SIP proxy name00:07
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nate12o6proxy01.sipphone.com00:08
_Shurik_proxy01.sipphone.com:5060 might be it00:08
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_Shurik_ah thatnks00:08
_Shurik_:)00:08
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Tu13eshm, does the n800 have a standby mode similar to sliding the case on the n770?00:09
_Shurik_Offline mode + Lock screen/keys00:10
_Shurik_Then carefully open back and slide out battery00:10
_Shurik_j/k00:10
_Shurik_:)00:10
Dr_NunimIt was a silly idea to take out the case in a later version.00:11
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Dr_NunimThat was a smart feature.00:11
_Shurik_agree00:11
Tu13esah, so offline and lock will do it?00:11
_Shurik_Tu13es: yes00:11
Tu13escool, ty00:11
Tu13esany suggestions for a screen protector or case for it?00:11
_Shurik_screen protector from PSP (cut it a bit)00:12
Tu13esah true00:12
_Shurik_and I use Strongman Caselogic. It's kinda big, but I feel safe for n80000:12
Tu13eshrm, I have a PSP with a screen protector, I wonder if I can take it off the PSP and put it on the n800....00:12
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_Shurik_Tu13es: They're not that expensive...00:14
Dr_NunimI got a 770 protector on  ebay for around $500:14
_Shurik_plus, ever tried to re-use scotch tape? :)00:14
Tu13es:P00:14
Dr_NunimActually I got 200:14
Specargh, i ran outta space on my /00:14
_Shurik_actually some say that 770/n800 doesn't really need a screen protector00:14
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_Shurik_and it's sort of blast from the past kinda habbit00:15
Tu13esmeh, i'm too paranoid not to have one00:15
Dr_NunimPSP needs one.00:15
Dr_NunimI've got one on the DS touchscreen.00:15
pupnik770 has a very tough polymer - forgot the name00:15
_Shurik_and I've heard reports of no problem while not using any on 770 I think it was00:15
_Shurik_but.. yes, I have one :)00:15
* Jaffa has not used one on his 770 or N800 without problem.00:16
Tu13eswithout problem do you mean the screen looks as it did on day 100:16
Dr_NunimThe 770 doesn't need one as mucb because it has the card case.00:16
Tu13es?00:16
Dr_Nunimbut I wouldn't toss an n800 into my pocket with phone and keys.00:16
pupnikI can't see any scratches yet - 8 months.00:16
Dr_Nunimhard case*00:17
pupnikI hope the 900 will have the case00:17
Dr_NunimAnd more ram + stronger processor00:17
Dr_Nunimand a scroll wheel00:17
pupnikRight hand side buttons too00:17
Dr_NunimMaybe an ice cream maker?00:17
pupnikScroll wheel would be good  - but you can tap-and-drag the webpages too00:18
nate12o6lol00:18
Specand a built-in laser bluetooth keyboard that projects from the base of the unit onto the desk it's laying on.00:19
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Specerr, i suppose it wouldn't need to be bluetooth in that case, actually.00:19
ttuttleSpec: Eww, no.00:19
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ttuttleHahaha, netsplit.  Suckers.00:20
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pupnikI'm opposed to any built-in keyboard.  Bluetooth is the way to go.00:20
nate12o6does anyone know if the Maemosized OpenVPN  package can ack as a client or is it just a server?00:21
ttuttlenate12o6: OpenVPN is, by definition, both.  I think.00:21
nate12o6cool thanks00:21
_Shurik_pupnik: why? BT consumes battery00:21
gla55_magnetic clip on kb would be nice00:22
Specand yet a built-in laser keyboard wouldn't?00:22
gla55_like on that htc00:22
gla55_  http://www.europe.htc.com/products/htcadvantage.html  on that one00:22
Dr_NunimJust make a thumb board that plugs into usb like the 360 is getting.00:22
unique311google grandcentral....good stuff..00:23
_Shurik_who offered that?00:23
_Shurik_I'm against laser keyboards00:23
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_Shurik_and _really_ the only time I miss a keyboard is while using rdesktop00:24
gla55_i just want couple of hw buttons more to the device00:24
gla55_to other side of screen.. for emus and games00:24
ttuttlegla55_: That'd be cool.00:24
Dr_NunimI hate rdp00:25
Dr_Nunimbut thats not it's fault00:25
_Shurik_but.. bt is better then nothing. It would be a really nice to have case/keyboard combo00:25
Dr_NunimI wish RDP worked like VNC00:25
_Shurik_Dr_Nunim: in what way?00:26
Dr_NunimAllow administrator login, don't end session etc00:26
Dr_Nunimbetter security protocols00:26
_Shurik_then why not use VNC then?00:26
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pupniknice design on that htc00:26
_Shurik_they are just very different by their nature...00:27
Dr_NunimVNC doesn't offer the same compatbility00:27
_Shurik_hm... really? I haven't tried it yet though (VNC)00:27
_Shurik_you need to install server for that, while rdesktop is ready to go00:27
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Dr_NunimTrue.00:28
_Shurik_and admin login.. that should be configurable00:28
_Shurik_within host system00:28
Dr_NunimI couldn't find a way but I didn't look too hard :p00:28
_Shurik_it needs to have a password for one thing00:28
_Shurik_But I just use an account with Admin status00:28
_Shurik_that works just fine00:29
Dr_NunimOne of my boxes has a blank admin password and I just use that to login but RDP is no no00:29
pupnikdf00:29
pupniksorry :P00:29
_Shurik_rdp won't login to admin with blank pass00:30
Dr_NunimI know00:30
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Dr_NunimThat's why :(00:31
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_Shurik_oh I see00:31
_Shurik_well, some say that you shouldn't do installs etc via rdesktop anyway as it's not a true session00:32
_Shurik_better do vnc for that00:32
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Speci wish my 770 had text-to-speech for the cli00:37
Speci mean00:37
Specspeech-to-text00:37
pupnikit does, festival-lite00:37
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Specspeech-to-text?00:38
pupnikoh sorry00:38
pupniki looked for it00:39
Specdoes anything do speech to text good? :p00:39
pupniknot much being done in open source speech recognition00:39
_Shurik_text to speech00:39
_Shurik_not other way00:40
gla55_os/2 warp!00:40
_Shurik_I did cat text.txt | /usb/bin/flite :-D00:40
_Shurik_apparently sentences that separated by dot it reads in the same time :-D Weird00:40
_Shurik_and it sounds like Hawking whose English is a second or third language00:41
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Spechmm01:44
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Specso i compiled some binaries and put them on n770 (via scp)01:44
Specand when i go to "./mybinary' i get permission denied01:45
Specbut it's got the executable bit set, i'm root, and i'm in bash.01:45
Spechmm, looks like i just can't execute off the sd card....what?01:46
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ericzSpec, just tried it myself01:50
ericzsame thing01:51
pupnikcorrect01:54
pupnikcan not execute off of card01:54
ericzwhy not?01:54
pupnikkernel prohibits it01:55
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rebroadhmmm, i think it kinda defeats the purpose of having a small device if one then goes and gets a bluetooth keyboard. i mean, how can it still be called a handheld device?02:04
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rebroadi prefer the microsoft on-screen keyboard to the n800 stylus keyboard. it's smaller, has two shift keys, and also arrow keys...02:06
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ericzi prefer typing over vnc or ssh from my desktop :P but that totally takes away the point of a handheld too02:11
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rebroadericz, yup02:14
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pupnikthe bluetooth keyboard is the same size as the 770.  they both are pocketable02:22
pupnikhaving the bt keyboard does not prevent one-handed use02:22
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volmariasHi, I'm trying to set up my N800 to use the http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ repository, but I'm getting an "Unable to refresh list" error upon attempting to refresh. Is what I'm trying to do really dumb?02:45
pupniki have extras02:46
pupnikare you adding it in the application manager?02:46
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volmariasyes. I've added a new catalog, which I've named maemo. The web address is "http://repository.maemo.org/extras , distrobution bora, componants user02:47
volmariasah, spotted the problem02:47
volmariasuser should be free or non-free, right? :P02:47
volmariasI knew I did something dumb02:47
volmariasthere we go, now it's working just fine :)02:48
pupnikgood deal02:48
ericzhey, i never knew there was a full screen touch keyboard02:49
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pupnikif you want to test some new games and emus, you can find a bunch at http://pupnik.de02:49
ericzi shouldve actually read the manual02:49
pupniki still need to read that02:50
volmariasI'm just interested in getting the essentials for now, thanks :)02:50
volmariasI'll be there when games and emus become the essentials :)02:50
pupnikok.  discussion is at internettablettalk.com forums02:51
ericzapparently, by tapping a text field with a finger, there's a full screen finger keyboard, neat.02:51
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pupnikyeah i'd be curious how that gets triggered02:51
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ericzits actually really hard to open02:52
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ericzi had to tap this box like 12 times and hold then tap again02:52
pupnikyou can set it to be the default02:52
GoatBoyhi...  i'm a little confused by the flasher utility...  do I have to download all the images and stuff if all I want to do is set the USB port into host mode?02:52
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pupnikfind a howto02:53
ericzthe usb port doesn't offer power when it's in host mode, right?02:54
ericzlike you either have to solder, or make a special cable?02:54
GoatBoythe howto's are not clear02:54
GoatBoyor the links are broken02:54
GoatBoyi don't want to reflash the whole thing, I just want to set it into USB mode02:55
GoatBoyand ericz yes you have to power the USB device02:55
GoatBoyi plan on using a cable from an external hard drive and a powered hub02:55
GoatBoyagain, i just want to set it in host mode, not reflash the entire image if I don't have to02:56
GoatBoythe docs aren't very clear about this.02:56
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nomisGoatBoy: if you just want to change some flags you don't need to download any images.02:57
nomisGoatBoy: however, if usb-host mode needs a modified image (dunno, did not try this) then you of course would need to download this as well.02:58
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GoatBoyok03:00
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GoatBoyFYI, I think cables like this:  http://www.xpcgear.com/usbtype2atob.html03:04
GoatBoyplus one of those battery powered ipod chargers would work03:04
GoatBoythe extra connector on those cables are meant for power purposes03:05
ericzhey, tomorrows the 4th of july, isn't it? hrm03:10
ericzmy watch is wrong03:10
ericzsays the 2nd :/ stupid thing doesn't know 30 days from 3103:10
volmariasyes03:10
volmariastomorrow is the 4th03:11
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volmariasAlright, I've got a question. Where are all the libs hidden? I'm trying to install python2.5 runtime, and there are about 10 different libraries that I need to have first03:29
volmariasis there a repository in particular I should know about?03:29
pupnikyeah i saw all those python optional libs03:29
volmariasany suggestions?03:33
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pupnikinstall the core lib and ignore the optional ones03:34
pupnikthen if your program says it's missing something, install that03:34
Spec[770]is it possible to set the wireless card's mac address?03:35
volmariaswell, I can't find the core lib, which is the issue.03:35
volmariasShould I install maemo?03:35
volmariasI'm trying to see how much junk I can load myself down with before I start even pretending to hack at this03:35
pupnikyeah installing fun stuff is the first thing i did03:35
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yzf600howdy04:14
yzf600I just re-flashed my 770 for the 1st time04:14
yzf600that was a breeze04:14
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yzf600somehow the packages got all gorked up and would not install or un-install04:15
yzf600just reflashed and I'm back in business.04:15
yzf600anyone have gaim running successfully04:19
ericz_yeah04:20
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yzf600I installed gaim and then gaim-yahoo-protocol04:20
yzf600I setup my account, but everytime I try to login, it tells me missing protocol plugin04:21
ericz_i've never tried yahoo, but i switched to pidgin actually, :/04:22
yzf600ericz_: is it better than gaim?04:24
ericz_its the same thing , gaim turned into pidginn because aol sued them, but pidgins newer04:25
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yzf600oh, thats right04:25
yzf600I forgot about that04:25
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pupnik_install the missing protocol plugin then04:35
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goatanyone in here using openvpn on the n800?04:55
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yzf600ok - so I removed gaim and went to install pidgin05:05
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yzf600it fails because of missing dep: hildon-libs0 0.12.24-305:05
cncim tryin to figure out where to get all these reps too05:06
cncis there like an all inclusive one for the 77005:06
cnci found some base, but it doesnt have smbfs05:07
cncyzf600: how is that bike? you touring on it? =D05:07
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Niacinanyone know where i could get wvdial for 7770?05:08
Niacin770*05:08
Niacini mean is there another apt source?05:08
yzf600cnc: no, too busy at home and work to go for long rides05:12
yzf600cnc: just commuting to work these days05:13
cncah, same here05:13
cnci have my givis packed though, one of these weeks im going to escape05:14
yzf600damn. I just relized that when I re-flashed, I used firmware 2.2, not the latest 3.205:15
yzf600I'll bet this is causing my dep problems05:15
Niacinanyone got a 770 cross compiler setup?05:16
pupnik_anybody and his brother can make a repository for the 770/80005:16
pupnik_i do05:16
pupnik_you need wvdial?05:16
cnchow do you check what version firmware you have?05:16
Niacincould you compile me wvdial? ya man that would be really nice05:16
Niacini have been working on this problem forever ;\ and turns out wvdial works perfect05:16
yzf600cnc: I'm not sure.05:16
cnc3.2006-49.2, is this 2.0?05:16
pupnik_you have googled for it, i hope Niacin ?05:17
Niacinya but there is no arm port of it05:17
Niacinwell not port05:17
Niacinbut arm package05:17
Niacinunless there is another apt source that has it? i couldnt find it05:17
pupnik_you might have to download the .deb manually05:18
pupnik_Google: Results 1 - 10 of about 591 for wvdial maemo.05:18
Niacinyeah but nothing of use05:19
pupnik_<maddler> I'm using wvdial, and everything works fine05:19
Niacinso where did the package come from?05:19
Niacini can't find arm deb anywhere05:19
pupnik_i don't know05:20
Niacinhow do i install .deb files? just dpkg-deb --install ?05:24
ericzdpkg -i *.deb05:25
Niacinya gives me some error about being for arm instead of armtel05:26
Niacinor otherway around05:26
ericz:/05:26
Niacinarmel*05:26
cncanyone know which repository has smbfs?05:29
yzf600craptacular05:38
yzf600I can't flash my 770 anymore05:39
yzf600I keep getting USB device found found at bus 002, device address 11205:39
yzf600Error claiming USB interface: Operation not permitted05:39
yzf600oh05:39
yzf600dumbass - I forgot the sudo part05:40
yzf600sheesh05:40
yzf600maybe it's time to put the 770 down and take a break ;)05:41
cnci just got mine a few hours ago05:41
cncim only on my first excedrin05:41
yzf600cnc: from woot?05:42
cncmissed the woot05:42
cncgot from buy.com05:42
yzf600oh05:42
yzf600$139 - not bad05:43
cncya, i used up my 10$ google discounts05:43
cncelse it would be cheaper05:43
yzf600this thing is a real deal at $139, if you ask me05:44
cncya05:44
cncpain in the ass if you dont know anything about linux05:45
cncbut slowly, i will figure out what a repository is05:45
yzf600I can see that05:45
yzf600I've been a linux user for 8 years now05:45
yzf600red-hat, mandrake, and now ubuntu05:46
yzf600it's this last one that really helped me on the 77005:46
goatb/c maemo is debian based like ubuntu05:46
yzf600a repository is basically an ftp site where code can be automatically downloaded by your 77005:47
goatfunny yzf600, that's about the exact history I have with linux05:47
yzf600it is in special format with special files that tell debian what is there and how to download it05:47
goatredhat, mandrake, ubuntu05:47
goatcept I had debian in there before ubuntu05:47
yzf600I started with red-hat, but everything was command line. My wife's brother said I should look at mandrake for easier config with GUI apps05:48
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yzf600then I learned about ubuntu about a year ago and dumped mandrake. Mandrake really never was able to upgrade without hosing my system05:49
goatI hadn't used mandrake in years, had gone over to debian05:49
yzf600I'm now 2 upgrades into ubuntu without any major issues05:49
goatapt is god05:49
yzf600yes05:49
yzf600rpms suck05:49
goatnow if I could just get openvpn going I'd be happy05:50
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yzf600I just want freeNX running05:50
cncdeb http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/ mistral main05:50
goatthat is a complete repository05:51
cncmain means i replace user with main in the components section?05:51
outtolunci just want minimo on mistral to invoke the keyboard when presented with an auth box <G>05:51
goatan entry for one that is05:51
cncof the new catalogue creation window05:51
goatyes cnc05:51
goatwithout looking05:51
goatI'm 99% sure05:51
yzf600I'm thinking my 770 will be a great little gadget to integrate to my home security system05:52
goatnot sure what freenx is05:52
yzf600freenx is a free version of NXserver, which is a vncserver replacement05:53
goatoh05:53
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goatI suppose the easy to find vnc stuff is actual vnc?05:53
yzf600yea05:54
yzf600vnc is nice, but NX is faster05:54
yzf600and firefox and evolution won't run on an 800x480 vnc session on my 77005:54
cncargh05:55
cncmy wifi is blind again05:55
goat?05:55
cnc3rd time today05:55
cncwifi wont find any aps05:55
cncuntil you restart i05:55
cncit*05:55
cncis there a fix for this?05:56
goatno idea, never had that issue... mine seems to have better wifi than most laptops05:57
cncya, wifi works great05:57
cncbut once in a while it just shuts off and wont find any ap`s05:57
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cncsearches but no connecitons found05:57
goatweird05:57
cncill reboot it and it will find 10 and work fine again05:57
goatthat sucks05:57
cnci just got this thing a few hours ago05:58
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yzf600yea - pidgin installed !05:59
goatpidgin works well for me06:00
cncdoes nokia have a support number for these?06:00
goatprobablyh06:00
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[yzf600]Hello from my 770!06:04
cnc=D06:04
yzf600I'm such a geek06:04
cncstill cant install prog, how do i check if i put in the repo correctly?06:05
yzf600the refresh won't work if you entered the repo wrong06:05
goatedit the repo and check for typos, that's about it06:05
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yzf600refresh/update06:06
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[yzf600]Ok, time to signoff06:06
ericzis it possible to use a proxy in opera?06:07
[yzf600]bedtime for this nerd06:07
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cnc'unable to refresh list' ?06:07
goaterrors in a repo somewhere06:07
goattry replacing that "main" you were asking about with just "/"06:08
goator nothing at all06:08
cncstill wont refresh06:09
cncshould i try user?06:09
goatcan't hurt06:09
goatcheck the age of the info you're setting up a repo from06:10
goatrepo might have moved or somesuch06:10
Niacinwhats the bora repo for wget?06:10
goatno idea06:11
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cncno date on it, but the link seems to work06:11
cnchttps://garage.maemo.org/frs/shownotes.php?release_id=13206:11
goatactually, we may have completely missed something06:12
goatthe new repo window06:12
goatwon't require the "deb" before the address06:12
goatsorry bout that06:13
cncremoved the two repos i typed in06:14
cncwill see if it works without them06:15
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cncah, got it working06:19
cncit was the other random repo i put in06:19
cncmust have been a dupe06:19
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ericzis it really necessary for me to need to sudo to run ping or traceroute :P06:24
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Niacinnot having much luck getting wvdial to install06:27
Niacinno one has a build env setup that they could just cross compile it for me?06:27
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CtrlRDoes anyone know if it is possible to use Treo 700WX cell connection via BT?06:32
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CtrlROn 77006:32
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cncthere a good wifi app out?06:49
cncsomething that shows signal strength in dbm and refreshes quick06:49
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Drizzt321I'm trying to get the | (pipe) character on the onscreen keyboard on the 770 (latest OS 2006)06:57
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Drizzt321I can't seem to find it06:57
Drizzt321can anyone help?06:57
ericzyeah06:57
ericzyou can get to symbols, right?06:57
Drizzt321oh, there it is06:58
Drizzt321sorry06:58
Drizzt321yea06:58
ericzthere's tabs, Common, Symbols, Accents.. etc06:58
Drizzt321I wasn't looking close enough06:58
Drizzt321heh06:58
ericzyeah, common tab :) middle/bottom06:58
ericzerr, symbols tab06:58
Drizzt321yea06:58
ericzit is in an awkward place :/06:58
Drizzt321ohhh, they put Documents as a dot folder06:59
Drizzt321heh06:59
Drizzt321how annoying06:59
ericz. documents/images/sounds/videos?07:00
ericzthey're all hidden :/07:00
Drizzt321yea07:00
Drizzt321hrm...I'm trying to install the gpe widgets lib via dpkg, and turns out they're compiled arm, not armel which is what dpkg wants07:01
Drizzt321know of another source other than kernelconcepts.de or compiling them myself?07:01
ericzno clue, i'm too new to this :(07:01
Drizzt321ah07:02
Drizzt321heh07:02
Drizzt321know if its safe to force install arm packages?07:02
ericzi, personally, wouldn't try it, but that's me and my newness talking07:02
Drizzt321erm07:02
Drizzt321yea07:03
Drizzt321well, I'll force it, and worst case just purge the package07:03
ericztry searching for "gpe" at at http://maemo.org/downloads/ ?07:03
Drizzt321no libs there anyway07:06
Drizzt321grrrr07:06
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Drizzt321and whats really annoying is that there _is_ a gpe program _in_ the maemo repository that depends on libgpewidget1, BUT it doesn't exist in the maemo repository!!!!!07:09
ericzhttp://maemo.org/community/wiki/howtosyncgpe770withlinux/07:10
ericzsomething about libgpewidget there07:11
Drizzt321its making sym links, but the problem is that it assumes the gpe libs are _already_ installed07:13
ericzhttp://oss.kernelconcepts.de/maemo/libraries.shtml - that must be the one you got?07:14
ericzthe ARM, not armel one?07:14
Drizzt321yea, they don't have any armel packages :(07:15
Drizzt321*sigh*07:15
Drizzt321I'll just try working with it tomorrow or something07:16
Drizzt321I need to get some sleep07:16
Drizzt321thanks for your help07:16
Drizzt321night07:16
ericzlater.07:16
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bberdahlapologies if this is OT... has anyone tried Gizmo on the n770 w/ success.... I can't make it use the secondary (generic SIP) configuration...07:17
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coderangerIs there a way to raise the connection timeout in vncviewer? I am doing VNC-over-SSH, and the connection works via netcat, but I think vncviewer times out too quickly.08:28
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KaylaKazeyay! comic book viewer coming along nicely.08:47
KaylaKazeI just need to find a way to zoom in and a way to handle double size pages08:47
AD-N770good morning09:01
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ericzwhat's difference between "Internet connection failed" and "network connection error"09:20
ericzcannot connect at all :(09:22
ericzworked fine 20 minutes ago09:23
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ericzugh, now its working, 3 reboots later09:27
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kulvewhat's the wlan signal strenght?09:32
coderangerIs there a default password for user, or should I set one?09:35
KaylaKazeI don't think there is one09:36
kulvecoderanger: there's not passwd for user as it is not normally needed..09:40
kulve-t09:40
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keesjHi09:58
KaylaKazeonly a little more work and I'll be able to easily read comic books and some pdfs on my 770 :-)10:03
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keesjKaylaKaze: are you scanning?10:08
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Synt1hi there10:14
Synt1does anyone know an alternative for amixer on the n800 (i can't find amixer)10:16
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JaffaMorning, all10:47
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floriangood morning10:58
gwakhttp://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/07/prism_1.jpg10:59
gwakwtf was Nokia thinking10:59
osfameronout of the box?11:00
JussiPThat there are lots of rich idiots in the world?11:00
dpb_lol11:01
fatal-hmm. apparently skype is still unreleased?11:01
febbhi all11:06
febbseems the talk is about skype....right?11:06
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febbanyone knows something about the new firmware release for the N800 ?11:13
gwakfebb:i think the best advice is "a watched pot does not boil" ;-]11:14
febbgwak  guess you are right   ;-)    but didn't hurt to ask anyway.....11:15
florianThats the effect tat as soon as someone talks about it, it takes one more month ;)11:15
gwakand a baby kitten dies11:15
febbdamn...then there goes another month more.11:15
febband one less kitty cat....11:15
janimorning.11:16
febband....what if I add another month:    skype for n800? any news? or....super secret copy of the code ?11:16
gwakfebb:i thought the jkontherun blog said some time in july11:17
febboh well...then 27 days more to go....11:18
gwakim looking forward to skype, Gizmo is way to laggy for pc->phone calls11:19
febbone last comment question:  does any of you has managed to make the virtual keyboard to work with applications opened on the n800 from a remote X application (with ssh+X forwarding) ?11:20
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febbwell...Gizmo works quite well for me.. I want it cuz many of my contacts are on skype....and not many of them willing to move to gizmo just for me.11:20
febbit becomes a pain to open so many VoIP programs and many IM accounts......11:20
febbHi felipec ..... welcome.11:21
janifebb: whats the problem with vkb? cant invoke it or its just not working at all ?11:21
febband guess what: Mr Murphy says: whenever skype comes out..then 2 days later a new firmware and skype wont run on it..... thats for sure.   ;)11:22
felipecfebb: hi... fellow Mexican?11:22
febbjani:  I can open a ssh session to a remote unix server, all variables are st OK and the X application do open perfectly on the N800 screen but11:23
febball keyboard taps on the N800 screen never reach the X application.11:23
febbfelipec  yup...Mexican here,  so are you ?11:23
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janimm dunno about that then.11:23
gwakfebb:for a remoted xterm as well?11:24
febbI have read somewhere that using a bluetooth keyboard works fine in that setting but i dont have one...(and done want one).11:24
febbgwak, yes,the same thing happens for a remoted xterm....11:24
felipecfebb: yes11:25
febbno keystrokes -taps- are sent to the X app.11:25
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gwakfebb: i think i read that the input methods do not generate normal xevents11:25
febbgwak  yes, I read kind of the same thing also... the question is: what is different from a normal X server / client ....11:26
febbI need my N800 to be able to send those keyboard events to the remote X app. (once the app opened on the n800 screen, of course, which I already do).11:28
gwakfebb:i have not hacked at the low level bits yet ;-] , did you check the maemo.org docs about the input methods?11:28
febbgwak not really... haven't had the chance/time to do so...  But I am pretty sure it can be "fixed"  or set to operate as a normal X server / client session....11:30
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lardmanmorning11:32
febbmorning lardman11:32
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gwakfebb: it apears that you would need a 'conversion' layer to convert meamo keyboard events to xevents11:34
gwakhttps://garage.maemo.org/snippet/detail.php?type=snippet&id=511:34
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febblet me check on that.....11:35
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febbseems that is exactly what I am looking for.....Thanks so much gwak...11:37
sbaturzioAloha!11:37
gwakfebb:np, i learned something as well ;-]11:37
febbgreat... I will read that doc and see what can be done........  For now, i guess its time to logoff its 03:40 am here !11:38
febbwell,    gwak, thaks again   I'll be back in some hours....I'll keep you posted as well....11:40
febblater all !11:40
gwakfebb:later11:40
febbg'nite.... or g'day to all ! :)11:41
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dubdibdubhi11:57
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dubdibdubwhere do i have to put / link a script when it should be executed each time i put a mmc into my n800 ????11:59
edistargood morning..12:00
dubdibdubmorning12:00
dubdibdubit's 11:00AM here ;12:00
edistardubdibdub: where are you? ;)12:00
dubdibdubeurope/austria12:00
edistardubdibdub: it's 11 here too, but I feel like morning :P12:01
dubdibdubaahhh....12:01
dubdibdubthat's something completely different ;)12:01
edistarI'm in germany..12:01
Toni17:00 here12:01
edistar:P12:01
Toniin Taipei currently :)12:02
melmothdubdibdub, i m not sure but it sound like the trick would be to have a daemon waiting for a dbus event occuring when the card is inserted12:02
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Toniand yes, it feels like lunch time to me again12:02
dubdibdubedistar: nördlich oder südlich dem weisswurstäquator??12:02
osfameronheh :-)12:02
dubdibdubmelmoth: :(12:02
edistardubdibdub: eher nördlich :) niederrhein... fast bei Holland12:03
dubdibdubedistar: lol12:03
melmothdubdibdub, it s not that a bad news.12:03
dubdibdubmelmoth: isn't there something like  /system/osso/af/on-camera-out12:03
melmothnot that i m aware of12:03
dubdibdubi just want to start a script - not write my own daemon waiting for messages from hell ;)12:03
edistardubdibdub: hehe, that would make life too simple :P12:03
dubdibdubso where can i find a small(!) dbus tutorial?? ---askin' google...12:04
dubdibdubhave anyone of you ever made a 'n800-lite' (x-server only without matchbox, etc...)12:05
melmothdubdibdub, actually in maemo, you may want to use libosso instead of dbus12:05
melmothas far as i have understood, libosso is a sort of layer on top of dbus12:06
dubdibdubi wan't to get the n800 as light as possible (best without *osso*)12:06
dubdibdub;)12:06
melmothlibosso is mandatory12:06
melmoththe whole gui works with it12:06
Tonirun fdisk on it :)12:06
dubdibdubToni: good idea ;)12:07
Toniit makes it quite light, but usability suffers a little12:07
edistara little lol12:07
melmothhttp://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation/python_osso_examples/12:07
Tonido you want to strip the UI or also the OS?12:08
dubdibdubbut i need X (my (sdl)app should run alone, doesn't need fancy ui), ALSA (my app plays some sound via aplay)12:09
dubdibdubbut when i killall matchbox-window-manager it comes back again (?restarts automatically)12:11
melmothall i say is the more likely way to be alerted of a change in the device available is via libosso (or dbus if there is no such libosso signal)12:11
dubdibdubwhat would happen if i apt-get remove matchbox-window-manager??12:13
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edistardubdibdub: just try.. I suppose it would say that you can't do that because of dependencies..12:15
melmothGRumble; i m not even sure there is such an event as "mmc card inserted" in osso http://maemo.org/api_refs/3.0/libosso/structosso__hw__state__t.html#o412:15
dubdibdubi'll give the matchbox-buttkick a try...12:16
dubdibdubhttp://pastebin.ca/60276512:17
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dubdibduboops12:21
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dubdibdubafter removing: rebooting: progressbar get's stuck at about two thirds12:22
dubdibdublog on http://pastebin.ca/60277112:22
dubdibdubstrange...: it differs where exactly the progressbar gets stuck12:28
dubdibdubsorry12:30
dubdibdubi have to excure12:30
dubdibdubi have to excuse12:30
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dubdibdubi am still able to ssh onto the device12:30
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dubdibdubis is easy to get out where mmc cards are..:12:31
dubdibdub# mount|grep mmc|cut -d' ' -f312:31
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guardiani have a question about GObject properties12:46
guardianam i responsible for the storage12:46
guardianor GObject does it for me ?12:46
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eugenehello all!12:49
inzguardian, you must implement the set_propery and get_property and store the values12:49
guardianok i understand12:50
melmothhola eugene12:51
eugenemelmoth: you are up early12:52
melmothit s nearly noon here :)12:52
eugenemelmoth: :)12:53
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janimelmoth: i think gnome-vfs has event for that..12:54
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guardiani fail to see an advantage using properties13:03
guardiancompared to my own get/set functions13:03
inzguardian, language bindings13:04
guardianlike with python ?13:04
inzyeah13:04
inzwhen using properties, I think some generators can do the work for you13:05
inzAnd also you can set many things with one call etc13:05
inzFor example g_object_new(MY_TYPE_FOO, "foo", 1, "bar", 2, NULL);13:06
guardianif i want both13:09
inzAnd of course you can abuse the property system to write saveable objects13:09
guardiando i need somehow to notify the property has changed13:09
guardianin my set function13:09
inzguardian, yeah, you should call g_object_notify(your_gobject, "property_name");13:10
inzAnd obviously you can make the set_property and get_property call the setter/getter respectively13:11
inzAnd it is often smart, as you might want to do something special when the property is changes13:11
inz-s+d13:11
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robtayloraCiDBaSe: are you still working on pymaemo?14:46
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guardiangeez, reading the doc helps :)14:49
guardianCalling gdk_draw_rectangle (window, gc, FALSE, 0, 0, 20, 20) results in an outlined rectangle with corners at (0, 0), (0, 20), (20, 20), and (20, 0), which makes it 21 pixels wide and 21 pixels high.14:49
guardian21 pixels *sight*14:49
EnokI get "error: memory exhausted -- trying to return to prompt" in octave when trying to read data file to a matrix on N80014:55
EnokThe file isn't big, just couple of lines14:55
EnokOn pc it works fine14:55
EnokAny good guesses how to solve this?14:56
EnokI use the fscanf function to read the file14:57
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inzguardian, I bet there was some important reason for doing that...15:33
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guardian%s/important/legacy/ :)15:34
inzguardian, imo it makes no sense, either it should take the size of the contained rect or the bounding rect, not some weird combination15:34
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inzguardian, or the width and height should be x2 and y2 and it should act the same independent of the filled argument15:36
inzHysterical raisins bite. You die.15:36
guardian:)15:36
inzDie [yn]15:37
gwaky15:38
suihkulokkiYou die -more-15:39
inz15:39
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eugeneInconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed!15:50
eugenesigh.15:50
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eichihello, is maemo with multi-user support? or is it possible?16:52
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eugenemelmoth: ping17:07
melmothpong17:07
eugenemelmoth: see:17:07
eugene[ 1284.911987] do_execve for /bin/ash from sh17:07
eugene[ 1286.591308] do_execve for /sbin/getty from init17:07
eugene[ 1286.863861] do_execve for /bin/dmesg from ash17:07
eugenehehe :)17:07
melmothhmm17:08
melmothis this your systemtapthingy working ?17:08
eugenenot yet.17:08
melmothhey...don't forget to put all of this on garage !17:08
edistarwhat is the difference between flasher 2.0 and flasher 3.0?17:09
eugenebasically i'm utilising jprobe_return to get hold of the .return of do_execve17:09
eugenemelmoth: nod nod :)17:09
eugenesomehow init loves to spawn getty often.17:09
eugenei wonder why.17:10
edistarand what is the OS 2007 hacker edition for 770?17:11
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melmothedistar, it is an effort to backport feature that are officially supported in the n800 os to the n700 tablet17:12
melmothor so i understand17:12
edistarmelmoth: is it unstable?17:13
edistar:P17:13
melmothi do not know, i only have a n800 :)17:14
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edistarwhich flasher should I use now, 2.0 or 3.0? for the 770?17:14
melmothbut i have been told it s  rather stable..But you may not find all the video codec in it.17:14
edistarokey..17:14
Niacinanyone know why cu buffers only 1 char at a time?17:16
edistarcan anyone tell me how to flash my 770 so that it can use nfs shares?17:21
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eugeneedistar: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_kernel_guide_bora.html17:21
eugene"Compiling kernel modules" section17:21
edistareugene: there is already a kernel but I don't know how to use it.. or how to select that kernel for flashin17:22
edistarg17:22
edistareugene: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/os2006-ipv6-nfs17:22
eugeneedistar: that i'm not so sure.17:22
edistarokey... cause I don't know how to compile a module that fits my current kernel17:23
edistarI would have to replace the kernel too anyway..17:23
edistarcan't I just get the module somewhere?17:26
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Niacinwhats the package url for 2006? for xterm etc?18:18
Niacin??18:20
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Niacinno one?????;\18:28
Niacinhttp://repository.maemo.org doesnt have ssh18:28
Niacinhttp://maemo-hackers.org/apt seems to be down18:28
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Niacin??18:31
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Niacinis there a mirror for maemo-hackers.org?18:35
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caaarlohi everybody18:36
caaarlocan anybody recommend a plugin for a ThinkOutside BT keyboard for a 770? I downloaded one, but all it seems to do is crash the tablet18:37
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Niacinthe one time i need it18:43
Niacinhttp://maemo-hackers.org/apt is toast18:43
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guardiani need to define variables for data subdirectories /usr/share/mypackage/subdir1 /usr/share/mypackage/subdir2 etc18:49
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guardianwould you define subdir1 subdir2 variables in configure.ac18:49
guardianlike subdir1=$datadir/somewhere18:50
guardianthen use AC_SUBST(subdir1)18:50
guardianor would you define subdir1 directly in Makefile.am ?18:50
guardiandoing sub1dir=$(datadir)/somewhere18:50
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devand you are doing now a new/proper python2.5 build? just that I know on what I should do next18:51
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guardianhmm19:51
guardianis there a way i can hack19:51
guardianso that19:51
guardianmake install installs stuff to the device through ssh ? :/19:51
guardian"ssh" in the sentence makes it sound impossible19:51
gwakguardian:you could script scp i imagine19:54
guardianwell yeah but wasting time scripting ... i better use this time building a proper installation package19:54
gwak;-]19:54
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inzguardian, sshfs (FUSE) should allow such20:13
guardianis this easy to use ?20:15
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inzguardian, never used, but the product page ( http://fuse.sourceforge.net/sshfs.html ) says sshfs [user@]hostname:[dir] mountpoint20:16
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guardianhmm20:17
guardianrequires to be part of the group fuse20:18
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guardianis there a way to reload groups without signing off ?20:18
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inzguardian, su <user>20:19
inzguardian, obviously that only adds you to the group for that shell20:20
guardianok20:22
guardiangonna definitely try it, thx for the tip20:22
guardianbtw i have another question20:22
guardianyou mentioned python bindings20:22
guardianmy widget currently has a set_foo function that takes a Foo structure as a parameter20:23
guardianwhat do i need to do when i want to use my widget from python (if it happens some day)20:23
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KaylaKazeproblem with comic books is you have to wait for the next issdue to continue the story. grrr20:44
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Tu13esanyone use xchat aqua on an n800?21:10
Tu13estrying to figure out how to get rid of the user list21:10
Tu13eser21:12
Tu13esnot xchat aqua21:12
Tu13esmaemo xchat21:12
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unique311ubuntu feisty21:40
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phrhi, i just got a 770 from woot, does anyone know if i can put a 2gb rs-mmc card in it and have it work?21:42
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Tu13esyes21:43
phrgreat, thanks21:44
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febbhi all22:19
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cesmanhello febb22:29
felipecwb febb22:29
febbhi ceswan  !22:30
febbHola felipec !22:30
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cesmanfebb: tab completion is your friend ;)22:31
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febbcesman:  beg you pardon ?   ;)22:33
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guardianhmm22:53
guardianneeded to reinstall scratchbox and sdk on another box22:53
guardianis this normal that i have to launch sudo ./maemo-scratchbox-install_3.1.sh -d ?22:54
guardianthe INSTALL.txt files does not tell about "-d"22:54
guardianif i don't put the option, i just have the help text22:54
guardianon a fresh feisty22:54
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c0ffeedid somebody see die hard 4?23:33
c0ffeethe bad ones use some n770 :)23:33
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keesjnice23:35
keesjwhat do they use if for?23:36
c0ffeedunno23:36
keesjI hope not calling :p23:36
c0ffeethe bad one has a whole bunch of equipment23:36
c0ffeenah23:36
c0ffeei recognized it, when i hacked into some jet fighter23:36
c0ffeethe movie isn't overly realistic, but hey :)23:37
keesjI a was at the dump store on monday , I now have a very cool case like in the films23:37
c0ffeeoh ehrm23:39
c0ffeenot when "i" hacked into some jet fighter, but the bad guy :)23:39
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