IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2008-03-31

konttoriok. maybe cairo and gtk then.00:00
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konttoriThis threah should help you get on your feet with python desktop plugins:
KotCzarnybookmark added :)00:03
konttorihns posts on second page a really good example on what you have to put to desktop file and where you have to put the python file00:04
konttori(and also a good cairo example)00:04
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blimpdudeany ideas how i can watch flash videos on my 770?00:11
KotCzarnyflash with os2008he ?00:12
blimpdudehmm... os2008he on 770 ?00:12
GeneralAntillesNot supported00:13
KotCzarnyhe stands for hackers edition00:13
GeneralAntillesBut there's a thread on ITT covering the steps to install.00:13
blimpdudeya im sceptical to even install 2007he00:13
pupnik"flying in the air so fancy free"?00:14
pupniki'm hearing homer simpson sing 'hey there, blimpy boy'00:14
KotCzarnyBrowser works nicely but there is no Flash.00:15
KotCzarnyscratch it then00:15
KotCzarnyunless something has changed since then00:15
blimpdudei <3 my 770 tho00:16
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NaviOh lawd00:40
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pupnikbleh. my 'new' desktop PC is listed by some kid on ebay under 'classic computers'00:59
glassclassic computers ha01:05
glassfriend showed a mmc reader for c64 last night01:06
pupniksweet :)01:06
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DrewseefusHi all!   I'm trying to delete cached away msg's on Pidgin on my Nokia N810 Tablet.   There is no delete key to do so.  Is there a work-around?01:19
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ProteousI've never used Pidgin01:23
Proteousso I have no idea01:23
DrewseefusThanks Proteous01:23
DrewseefusDo you know of any software that will allow me to use an on-screen keyboard?01:24
DrewseefusI need to be able to use the "DEL" key01:24
DrewseefusThat's the problem that I'm having.   I can only delete Cache by using the DEL key, which isn't included on the device.01:25
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Cptnodegard[00:24] <Drewseefus> Do you know of any software that will allow me to use an on-screen keyboard?  <- dont the onscreen kb show when the hardfware keyboard isnt pulled out?01:44
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vlad_ugh, is down/dead again?01:50
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sp3000weekend, yup01:53
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vlad_is there a repository mirror anywhere?02:03
GeneralAntillestimeless had one setup02:04
GeneralAntillesNot sure if it's still up02:04
vlad_our IT guys offered to mirror I think, but we got turned down or somesuch02:04
vlad_not sure what happened02:04
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vlad_yeah, I'll ask again and see what's up02:05
vlad_or I'll probably just do a mirror anyway, of the repo at least02:05
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skiburAnybody have their Bluetooth Headset working with N800/N810?02:10
GeneralAntillesHeadset or headphones?02:10
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GeneralAntillesTons and tons of people headsets.02:10
GeneralAntillesHeadphones, fewer, but they work, too.02:11
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pupnikcan apt-get handle mirrors?02:19
GeneralAntillesShould be able to.02:20
GeneralAntillesI'd assume, anyway02:20
* GeneralAntilles doesn't have a lot of practical experience with Debian proper.02:20
yllusdumb question. I'm at the shell and I have a .deb file I want to install. What's the apt-get syntax for that?02:20
milhousedpkg -i filename.deb02:20
yllusdanke, good sir02:21
pupnikActually i don't think it does GeneralAntilles02:21
pupnikyou have to comment-out redundant mirrors02:21
GeneralAntillesWish we could set a sane timeout.02:21
pupnikalso it'd be nice if 'install from file' would go fetch required libraries02:22
KotCzarnypupnik: let's make community apt-gui :>02:23
pupnikKotCzarny: either that or make proper extras packages :)02:24
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pupnikBut um.  People who want to do that are welcome to02:25
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KotCzarnydo what?02:55
pupnikbrush up things and submit to repositories02:56
KotCzarnyyeah, i have thought about community controlled repo02:56
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pupnikheh did you know there was a computer maker in east germany called 'robotron'?02:58
KotCzarnysoviet block IT ruled02:58
pupnik  Robotron drum memory with 2048 byte capacity02:59
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pupnikthey were sure creative -- distributed some programs on vinyl records03:02
* KotCzarny remember vhs backup system for amiga03:02
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KotCzarnybut vinyls..03:03
KotCzarnynow that's something :>03:03
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Tama^2vhs backup for amiga? never knew that one existed03:03
Tama^2it's lol03:03
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KotCzarnyor was it atari03:04
KotCzarnybut i think it was in ami times03:04
Tama^2useful until your brother overwrites your vital data with midnight tv pr0n03:04
KotCzarnytama: never owned it03:05
KotCzarnyi just know about it existence03:05
KotCzarnyand your brother vital data might be pr0n ;)03:05
KotCzarnyso it's all dependant on the user ;)03:05
KotCzarnyi love 60s03:06
* Tama^2 sings an ode to relativism03:06
wndmust have been for amiga. I remember trying to get components for required circuit.03:06
Tama^2yes, never again a woman was seen so close to electronic equipment03:07
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KotCzarnyhair styles can change, nice legs .. mmm timeless :)03:08
Tama^2invoking rule 34 (was it 34?)03:08
Tama^2obsolete computer equipment advertisement pr0n03:09
KotCzarnynow combine those two pictures to suit your rule03:09
vlad_anyone have libreadline4_4.3-10_armel.deb and gdb_6.6.dfsg-1+armel+osso1_armel.deb handy? :p03:09
pupniksomehow KotCzarny is finding much better pictures on that site than I am03:09
KotCzarnypupnik: just look for girls03:09
vlad_hm, wonder if I can pull it from etch03:09
KotCzarnyvlad: probably, as long it's armel03:09
wnd :-)03:10
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Tama^2can I adapt it to back up my brain?03:11
Tama^2I guess an audio tape would suffice for that03:11
KotCzarnybut restoring backup can be painfull03:11
vlad_the etch packages are built for 'arm', not 'armel'03:11
KotCzarnyand tiresome03:12
KotCzarnyi believe i have seen armel on debian.org03:12
vlad_yeah, I thought I had too.. looking now03:12
Tama^2Error Correction03:14
Tama^2VBS uses a powerful error-correction algorithm which compensates for drop-outs on the video tape. This ensures none of your data is lost.03:14
Tama^2gotta love the use of 'absolutes' in advertising03:14
KotCzarnyabsolute marketing isn't so absolute03:15
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vlad_well, this gdb is a bit too new03:16
KotCzarnyvlad: there is debian on maemo project going on03:16
KotCzarnyyou may want to check it out03:17
CrashandDie"Intel has found a way to stretch a Wi-Fi signal from one antenna to another located more than 60 miles away."03:17
CrashandDie(this is not WiMax)03:17
Tama^240MB/H on VHS tape, talk about being conservative03:17
KotCzarnythat's about 50 floppies / h03:17
Tama^2CrashandDie: the method entails bringing down any building in line of sight and a high gain antenna? xD03:18
CrashandDieI have some kids I gotta teach tomorrow morning03:18
CrashandDieTama^2, nha, did that about 3-4 years ago03:18
CrashandDieTama^2, built our own satelite-dish antennas, high gain uni-directionnal receptor (which we built), had a ~20Mbit LAN over 30miles :)03:20
Tama^2mh, I was already imagining the KIT content: 2 wi-fi AP, 4 antennas, telecopic poles and 200Kgs of C403:20
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pupniki hope OS2009 moves to a newer GCC03:20
vlad_mmm, gcc 4.303:20
vlad_4.2.1 is buggy :(03:20
CrashandDieyeah, cuz it limits quite a lot of things03:21
CrashandDienative version of perl 8.8 for example :-°03:21
KotCzarnyand this one03:21
KotCzarny8.8 ?03:21
yllusI'm so tempted to print to this person's printer using their unrestricted wireless03:21
CrashandDieI'm off03:22
KotCzarnyyllus: just don't leave any traces03:22
* CrashandDie has to do 4 hours of teaching C++ tomorrow morning, most probably to idiots who don't give a damn, nor understand a glimpse03:23
yllushehe, yeah, the potential blame for an overreaction is why I don't03:23
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KotCzarnycrashanddie: the key is to find at least one person that actually does03:23
vlad_KotCzarny: mm, the applieddata ones are too new -- glibc 2.703:24
vlad_looking at the others03:24
KotCzarnyvlad: there's no such thing as too new!03:24
KotCzarnyotherwise we may stay with 3.4.4 ;)03:25
vlad_yeah, the other is just ano lder mirror03:25
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KotCzarnyand this one03:30
KotCzarny2.7 though03:31
Zetxhey, how can i reflash/reinstall os2008 when it's already installed? the windows updater is looking for a bin file, but i don't think it needed one the first time around :\03:31
KotCzarnyO.o03:31 seems down03:32
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KotCzarnyhi pupnik03:32
GeneralAntillesThe bin is what contains the OS.03:33
Zetxright, so i'd need a bin file... which would be on maemo which is down? :|03:33
KotCzarnymay be on nokia's site too03:34
yllusThe request for Max Payne 1 and 2 on the tablet made me lol03:34
GeneralAntillesThe Windows updater should it get it automatically from akamai caching network.03:34
KotCzarnyzetx: is it n800?03:35
ZetxKotCzarny: yes03:35
Zetxmy touchscreen seems to be kinda wonky03:35
Zetxwhen i hit it at a certain angel in the middle, it thinks i'm hitting the left side03:36
KotCzarnyzetx: yeah. touchscreen sometimes gets x=003:36
KotCzarnyprobably fixable via software03:37
Zetxyeah, i'm hoping i won't have to rma on me03:37
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Zetxor... wait, i can't talk ... but yeah, i wouldn't have to rma >_>03:37
yllusStretching out the lifespan of my 770 on OS2006 is becoming difficult03:38
GeneralAntillesUpgrade to one of the HEs.03:38
celesteharg, the nokie site is sending me in circles.  what the url for os2008?03:39
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KotCzarnyThe server is temporarily unable to service your request. Please try again later.03:39
Zetxgah. KotCzarny, the link you gave me says to use the Internet Tablet Software Update thing, right? Manual update leads back to :|03:39
KotCzarnyzetx, i think you will have to wait03:39
KotCzarnynokia's site is b0rken too03:39
GeneralAntillesThinks seem to be a bit down right now03:40
GeneralAntillesSo it may be worthwhile to wait until tomorrow.03:40
Zetxalright, i'll just hope for the best with my tablet >.>03:40
KotCzarnyyeah, it's a nice little tablet03:40
celestehah, i see that there's a reason i can't find the update03:40
celestehbad timing03:40
GeneralAntillesYou can probably still grab one of the firmwares off BT.03:41
celestehBT = british telecom?03:41
* Zetx wonders if he should put the larger memory card in the internal or external slot...hm03:41
KotCzarnyjust kidding03:41
GeneralAntillesDoesn't REALLY matter, Zetx.03:41
Zetxi know!03:42
GeneralAntillesTake a wild guess, celesteh.03:42
GeneralAntillesAssuming both cards are over 1GB03:42
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Zetxactually, just got a 4gb and the stock nokia one03:42
celestehi'm spacing on what BT stands for, but it doesn't matter. i'll wait until morning03:42
GeneralAntillesThen put the 4GB on internal03:42
KotCzarnyi think os2009 will be glibc-2.7 based03:43
celestehnight folks03:43
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KotCzarnyat least it should be03:43
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GeneralAntillesand pick up an 8GB for pennies ASAP03:43
Zetxpennies? what url is that?03:43
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Zetxhow did i miss that earlier03:44
KotCzarnywait for 32gb03:45
ZetxI LOOKED at newegg! argh. >_<03:45
KotCzarny4gb is more than enough03:45
KotCzarnyunless you watch movies have many mp303:45
GeneralAntillesThere's another half-dozen at similar prices.03:45
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KotCzarnyga's link is OPEN BOX03:47
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KotCzarny32gb cf is 140$03:49
* KotCzarny has ide--double cf adapter in his laptop03:50
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pupnik_  one of these would be fun.  2.5" floppy drive03:51
pupnik_laugh at those EEE owners who feel slow with their hundreds of mhz03:53
Navipupnik_, where does opentyrian stick the save file?03:53
KotCzarnyfloppy drive is so 80's03:53
KotCzarnyflash is in03:54
pupnik_i'd love to do internet and irc at a cafe on a 4.77 mhz pc03:54
pupnik_Navi, good question03:54
KotCzarnypupnik: atari was first!03:54
KotCzarnyi have seen one on CL03:55
pupnik_not bad03:59
pupnik_much older than that zenith03:59
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KotCzarnymore cute too04:00
pupnik_  first puter i got to use at home04:02
GeneralAntillesTiny URL fail!04:03
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pupnik_i can't find it now :/04:04
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KotCzarnymaybe someone sold it on ebay04:06
KotCzarnyor just throw it out :/04:06
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pupnik_defective supersport on ebay ~ 2 euro
KotCzarnyin polish it would be quite offensive name04:08
KotCzarnycooled joystics?04:11
pupnik_w t f04:12
Tama^2where do you see cooling? :)04:12
KotCzarnymaybe just a decoration04:12
glassdecoration most likely04:12
KotCzarnythose vertical holes04:12
glassor the boxes had them prior the stick/button installation04:12
KotCzarnyusually used for cooling04:12
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KotCzarnyie. air circulation04:13
glassit doesn't look too decorated04:13
Tama^2lol, my guess is that they used standard boxes that had grilles04:13
glassso probably project boxes already had em04:13
KotCzarnystill, looks powerful04:13
* Tama^2 sings an ode to "The Razor"04:14
yllusThis part of Full Throttle is horribly tough on a tablet04:16
* yllus tries to bike fight again04:16
KotCzarnyto bite fight?04:16
yllusThat would be a novel method04:17
Navi <- that huge-ass link04:17
KotCzarnynavi: he reposted correct link04:18
KotCzarnyi forgot, navi is an idiot who is ignoring me anyway04:18
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poormananyone know when will come back up?04:19
KotCzarnyonly people from nokia04:20
poormanyou mean only people when Nokia would know?04:20
KotCzarnymy guess it's a db failure04:20
KotCzarnyor maintenance04:20
poormanyeah, could be04:20
poormanany mirrors for downloading packages?04:20
poormanI was hoping to download the new mplayer version04:21
poormanlol damn04:21
KotCzarnyi was thinking about mirroring chinook packages04:21
poormanyeah, seems like SOMEONE should lol04:21
KotCzarnyjust for future safety :>04:22
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poormanlol yeah04:22
else58How is scratchbox2 in debian lenny(testing) related to Scratchbox Apophis?  Is it newer and can I used it for Chinook?04:24
KotCzarnyscretchbox doesn't have any maemo specific mods04:25
KotCzarnyit's the sdk part that has04:25
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else58er ok.04:26
poormanyou know I bet is down because of CTIA04:30
poormancause they're going to announce the n810 wimax edition04:30
poormancause even specific non-maemo portions of Nokia's site are down04:30
NaviFound the tyrian save file :o04:32
else58I can't ping beyond fi.customer.alter.net04:33
KotCzarnyis python-hildon-desktop available for n8x0 ?04:34
GeneralAntillesgj, Navi, you failure.04:35
glasspoorman: shouldn't be totally down for anything like that04:37
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NaviGeneralAntilles, omg ur nub04:39
GeneralAntillesNavi, ur nub, besh!04:39
GeneralAntillesYou go to hell! You go to hell and you DIE!04:39
KotCzarny^ 2 trolls at their finest04:39
NaviI AM IN HELL, it's called #trem-null04:40
doc|homefinest? that's the lamest trolling I've ever seen04:40
KotCzarny'their finest'04:40
GeneralAntillesTrolling? Where?04:40
* GeneralAntilles puts on his troll hunting gear.04:40
else58Set Ignore, and move on04:40
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GeneralAntillesNobody's trolling.04:41
* KotCzarny goes back to python tutorial04:41
elband ignore is beyond annoying04:41
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pupnik_what's this animosity stuff good for04:53
pupnik_Navi, it's somewhere in /home/user i assume?04:53
GeneralAntillesI'm just being funny, pupnik_.04:53
GeneralAntillesInside thing.04:53
Naviit's stored in the tyrian folder on the mmc that you pic04:54
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pupnik_an ok04:58
pupnik_it needs work04:58
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NaviIt's kinda old04:58
pupnik_the mouse control is pretty confusing04:59
Navithe build, that is04:59
pupnik_as per gpl, source is available upon request05:00
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oobis there a mirror of the software repo somewhere ?05:22
KotCzarnynone known though05:23
oobthanks. any idea when will be up again?05:23
KotCzarny/me doesn't know05:24
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KotCzarnybasic version of 'kciconsbox' is ready05:34
KotCzarnywho wants to try it?05:34
KotCzarny(util for bringing back 'invisible' windows)05:35
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ZetxWell, and are back up. :)06:01
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NaviOoh, mytube is cool now06:23
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elbheh I hope it works better than youtube in microb06:30
Naviof course :P06:30
elbI'm pretty surprised that the web browser plugin can't seem to keep up with youtube-resolution flvs06:31
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NaviFlash sucks06:38
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tank-manboot from mmc and flash works 100%06:56
tank-mancpu usage seems like 80-90%  during playback06:57
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tank-manfrom the web browser06:57
tank-man'top' shows it using 60%06:58
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cLinwhat allows me to sftp into my tablet?07:36
else58On my n800, I rebooted it with the power-button and when it came back up my ssh sessions where active where I left off!?>07:38
cLincan't connect to  it07:39
KotCzarnytry regular ssh first07:39
cLini ssh into it07:39
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KotCzarnythen you're doing something wrong07:39
else58cLin: I have dropbbear running on n80007:39
KotCzarnyfe. using wrong user name07:40
cLinhold on07:40
cLinis there a way to find out the ip of the tablet07:40
cLinnot found07:41
KotCzarny /sbin/ifconfig07:41
else58or /sbin/ifconfig if user07:41
cLinno wonder07:42
cLinit changed ip for some reason07:42
KotCzarnycan you control your dhcpd?07:43
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KotCzarnyyou have on on your network, i presume?07:43
cLini dont even know what it is07:43
KotCzarnyit's the magic service that gives ips to your machines07:44
KotCzarnyif they ask for one07:44
KotCzarnyprobably on your router07:44
KotCzarnyor modem07:44
cLini would hope so07:44
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KotCzarnyby default lease time is ~1-7 days07:45
KotCzarnyand is dynamic07:45
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KotCzarnybut it's all configurable07:45
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vlad_anything special I need to do to get nfs client working on my n810?07:51
vlad_keep getting mout: mounting xxx:xxx on z failed07:51
vlad_er, mount07:51
vlad_server side I see a mount request07:51
vlad_and then nothing else in syslog07:51
KotCzarnyuse sshfs07:51
vlad_I wish :(07:52
vlad_trying to set up sbrsh07:52
KotCzarnyuse sshfs on n81007:52
KotCzarnythen ssh into it and run locally07:52
vlad_yeah, guess that works07:52
KotCzarnyit does, because that's how i develop my apps07:52
vlad_there a sshfs package?07:53
KotCzarnybut you can compile it easily yourself07:53
KotCzarnyor i can give you .tar.gz07:53
vlad_hrm, no fuse in my kernel07:54
KotCzarnywant my .tar.gz ?07:55
vlad_sure :)07:55
KotCzarnydon't worry about n800 part, they are basically the same hardware07:56
vlad_awesome, thanks07:56
KotCzarnyi believe there are proper packages, but as long you know what you are doing .tar.gz is fine too07:57
Italodancehow can i change from mplayer to the default media player in canola?07:57
KotCzarnyi have put fuse.ko in /usr/local/lib/modules07:57
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KotCzarnyitalodance: use settings window, bah.07:57
Italodancesettings window on where?07:58
KotCzarnyon canola07:58
Italodancebut i hear about ~/.atabake/conf ?07:59
KotCzarnyi don't use canola07:59
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ItalodanceKotCzarny how can i access to my n800 internal card?08:00
Italodanceinfact how can i see the install files and edit them?08:00
KotCzarnyuse file manager08:00
skiburLooking for info of Wimax on the N80008:00
Italodancefile manager can't show my installed files on internal card08:00
KotCzarnythen install another one08:01
Italodanceyes which?08:01
KotCzarnythis one08:01
vlad_yeah, i'm going to have to get a real bash on the device08:07
vlad_this is just silly08:07
KotCzarnywatch out08:08
KotCzarnyit may break things08:08
vlad_I know08:08
vlad_plan was to just build it and stick it in /usr/local somewhere08:08
vlad_don't want to replace busybox08:08
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KotCzarnyok, kciconsbox v0.1 is ready:
aquatixmorning all09:11
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ItalodanceNokia N800 206 g , Nokia N810 226 g10:21
LynoureThat's the capasity to carry extra 20 or so paper clips. Shocking :)10:22
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KotCzarnyhi pupnik10:23
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KotCzarnyhave you seen my kciconsbox ?10:24
pupnikno, and i did not understand what hidden windows it finds10:24
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KotCzarnyany not-hildonized app10:25
KotCzarnythat was accidentally minimized10:25
KotCzarnydo you have links browser for example?10:26
KotCzarnythen you know what i meant ?10:26
Italodancevery very nice review:
aquatixhammer... on n81010:31
KotCzarnyhmm, 770: 185g10:35
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KotCzarnyso i guess next after 810 will weigh 246g10:35
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aquatixand will be even thinner? :)10:37
WormFoodI understand the hammer on the n8x010:37
Italodanceaquatix yes thinner10:37
KotCzarnymaybe 1mm then10:37
aquatixKotCzarny: yeah, just noticed10:37
WormFoodafter the problems I've had with mine....I can understand the hammer, no problem10:37
ItalodanceWormFood the hammer is for its slim10:37
WormFoodI've wanted to take a hammer to mine10:38
* aquatix not10:38
ItalodanceWormFood very good idea!10:38
WormFooda hammer, or drop it out of a 15 story building (I'm on the 15th floor right now)10:39
aquatixwait till i can catch it ;)10:40
aquatixbut seriously, why?10:40
aquatixwhat troubles do you have?10:40
WormFoodbecause the wireless does not work worth a fuck10:41
KotCzarnyworks here10:41
WormFoodmany, many, many times it just does not get an IP10:41
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WormFoodit was working great with my AP, then it stopped working....and now it is working again10:41
aquatixhm, that sucks10:41
aquatixworks here though10:41
WormFoodhey! tomorrow is april fools day10:42
aquatixshush ;)10:42
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KotCzarnyand nokia will annnounce n82010:43
WormFoodthe n90010:43
doc|homewith added kitchen sink, still no gsm10:43
JaffaMorning, all10:43
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* aquatix guesses n820, with wimax10:43
KotCzarnygsm is for pussies10:44
aquatixhsdpa would be awesome though10:44
doc|homeit would10:44
WormFooddo pussies like gsm?10:44
Italodanceumm guys did u removed The protective film of n800?10:44
* aquatix is a pussy then10:44
doc|homeif I lived in a non-backward country10:44
WormFoodItalodance, of course I did10:44
Italodanceit is covered in scratches for mine10:44
doc|homeItalodance: yes, when replacing it with another10:44
aquatixdoc|home: well, i enabled umts on my phone, and i don't get a signal anyway10:45
doc|homeItalodance: the default one is a cheap crappy one10:45
aquatixand this country seems to be swamped in signal10:45
ItalodanceWormFood ok cos i bought mine about 3 weeks and noticed now!!!10:45
aquatixItalodance: get a boxwave screen protector10:45
doc|homeaquatix: I'm in canada, there aren't even decent rates for anything here, not even 2.5g10:45
WormFoodI do not use any protection10:45
aquatixdoc|home: i have a flat-fee gprs subscription10:45
WormFoodand I don't use any screen protector on my n800 either10:45
doc|homeWormFood: that's what she sai... *stops*10:45
aquatix10 euro/month for about 7KB/sec10:46
KotCzarnygprs sucks :/10:46
KotCzarnypings >800ms10:46
doc|homeaquatix: I like boxwave but they fuck you over on delivery charges :/10:46
aquatixtell me something new ;)10:46
aquatixdoc|home: oh?10:46
KotCzarnybut if it was given away for free..10:46
aquatixi get the protector in the mail10:46
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Italodancedoc|home but stylus can scratch the screen display?10:46
aquatixfor about 1 or 2 dollar10:46
doc|homeman, I'd be happy with 10euro a month for that, here it's $5 per mb10:46
doc|homeItalodance: no idea, but I wasn't taking chances10:46
aquatixdoc|home: yeah, it would be 10 euro/mb without10:46
doc|homeI've heard it can10:46
aquatixa euro per freaking 100KB10:47
doc|homeyep :/10:47
doc|homeit's ridicukous10:47
WormFooddo you get a kiss with that?10:47
* doc|home zZzZz10:47
doc|homenight all10:47
aquatixhsdpa would have nice QoS, so ssh would work a lot better10:47
WormFoodnight doc|home10:47
Italodanceaquatix stylus can scratch the screen display?10:47
aquatixWormFood: nope, only a nice `i'm screwed' feeling10:47
aquatixdoc|home: night10:47
aquatixItalodance: maybe10:47
aquatixi think it will not scratch it soon10:48
WormFoodhell, I wouldn't pay 1 rmb per freaking 100kb10:48
aquatixbut i bought a protector anyway, and i want to use my fingernails too :)10:48
aquatixWormFood: that's why i did that subscription10:48
* KotCzarny got second hand nokia with protector alread in place10:48
aquatix10 euro/month for flat-fee is ok-ish10:48
KotCzarnyand 9 of them as a spares ;)10:48
aquatixKotCzarny: wow10:48
KotCzarnyand it was 150$ for the whole package10:49
aquatix9 protectors?10:49
aquatixor 9 nokia's? :)10:49
KotCzarny+ n80010:49
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dtahtbotKotCzarny: Error: "n800" is not a valid command.10:49
aquatix1 boxwave protector is enough10:49
aquatixstill have the first one on my palm10:49
KotCzarnyyeah. nails navigation rulez10:49
aquatixbarely scratched10:49
KotCzarnyno stylus needed10:49
aquatixalmost never use a stylus on my devices10:50
aquatixnot even on the tiny screen of my phone10:50
WormFoodI just use a ball point pen ;)10:50
WormFoodsometimes I'm too lazy to use the stylus, and I just use a toothpick (plastic)10:50
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aquatixheh :)10:51
* Proteous tries to figure out how using toothpick is more lazy then using the stylus10:51
aquatixto get a pen or toothpick, i would have to do a lot more work than getting the stylus from the device ;)10:51
aquatixProteous: exactly ;)10:51
WormFoodI was joking about the pen10:51
KotCzarnyproteous: if one have it sticking out of the mouth..10:51
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aquatixWormFood: you're always walking around with a toothpick in your mouth?10:52
WormFoodI was too lazy to pull out the stylus, so I just use the toothpick I have laying here10:52
aquatixweird cowboy10:52
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aquatixcalling me weird ;)10:52
WormFoodaquatix, no, I always have one in my pocket10:52
aquatixheheh, k10:52
aquatixit's too bad they put the dpad in the slide, now reading an ebook is more work :/10:53
KotCzarnyyou're talking about n81010:53
WormFoodI don't like that little button on the middle of the dpad10:53
aquatix`slide' is a give-away ;)10:53
KotCzarnybtw. lcuk is preparing great text reader10:53
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aquatixWormFood: yeah, never use it, only by accident10:53
aquatixi kinda like fsreader10:53
KotCzarnyit's quirky10:54
KotCzarnylcuk's reader would be a hit :>10:54
WormFoodI have to try to unlock it 2 to 4 times, because I always hit a direction when I try to hit the center button10:54
aquatixi guess :)10:54
aquatixKotCzarny: as long as it can read palmdoc and such :)10:54
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aquatixyay, netsplit time10:58
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aquatixmessy netsplit11:23
KotCzarnya little11:23
KotCzarnynot massive fortunatelly11:23
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Italodanceum  where can i load maps for other countries?11:45
KotCzarnyuse maemo-mapper11:45
Italodanceoh i should connect to internet ok i thought they are ready for download now!11:46
aquatixthe map application has a menu option `maps'11:47
aquatixyou can choose other maps there, and can download the countries you are missing11:47
Italodanceaquatix tnx yes11:48
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Italodanceummm is abailable a game with DEMO videos? (yes a full game)11:51
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KotCzarnysome people.. are crazy12:01
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opendeephello X-Fade_12:12
X-Fade_opendeep: How can I help you?12:13
pupnik   - the anti evolution song - "I'm no kin to the monkey nonono!"  (hilarious)12:14
opendeepI want to commit to repository,can you enable my account12:14
opendeepusername is opendeep12:15
opendeepI mean to upload keys12:15
X-Fade_opendeep: You should receive an invitation email shortly.12:16
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ItalodanceKotCzarny win 98 hehe lol12:17
opendeepX-Fade:I have an account already,but Edit keys is not enabled.12:18
aquatixwhy bochs :/12:18
aquatixhm, does qemu run on armel?12:19
X-Fade_opendeep: Yes, that is what the invitation is for. It will give you a way to upload keys..12:19
opendeepok,thank you12:19
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KotCzarnyok, night people12:27
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* Tobotras still can't start using libjpeg past jpeg_set_defaults :(12:40
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angrymikehi all12:55
angrymikeI want to create an sqlite database for my app12:55
angrymikethat is the easy part12:55
angrymikethe bigger question is where to store it...12:55
angrymikein .myapp/blah.db ?12:56
angrymikeand if so, does maemo have a way to access $home/.myapp in a clean way ?12:56
lardmanAnyone familiar with SDHC cards that don't work?13:01
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liriI think another question you should ask yourself as the wear of the device/flash if you would do read/write for a long period of time13:05
* Tobotras is familiar with SDHC cards that do work13:06
lardmanmy non-working one says words to this effect in dmesg: mmci-omap mmci-omap.1: command CRC error (CMD55, arg 0x00000000)13:06
ItalodanceSD 4 GB is working with my n800!13:06
Italodancelardman Toshiba cards don't work13:07
lardmanhmm, this is sandisk iirc13:07
Cptn-N800Sandisk sucks13:07
Italodancei have silicon power13:08
X-Fade_lardman: Did you try ?13:08
tank-mani have patriot13:08
Italodancesilicon power is fast and good!13:08
lardmanX-Fade_: not yet, have just been looking at that13:08
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Cptn-N800Im using two twinmos cards now.  My 16gb adata also works13:09
Cptn-N800Never had a card that dont work13:09
lardmanhmm, looks like time to try a patched kernel and if that doesn't work some kernel code diving to see what that error means13:09
X-Fade_lardman: If it still doesn't work then, it should be a good idea contact the author of those patches.13:09
Italodancelardman look here :
Italodancelardman listen before buy a card u should ask from seller for test it ok????13:11
lardmanthanks, will do some flashing at lunch time13:11
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lardmanItalodance: not the easiest when you buy online13:11
Italodancelardman never try online!!!!13:12
lardmanItalodance: :) well one lives and learns13:14
lardmanah ha, the wonders of google:
lardmanbug has been closed though...13:17
lardmaninteresting:, looks like the adaptor is at fault13:20
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Cptn-N800Anyone have any clue how to make ti92 calcs show desimals when doing ie 9/2?13:44
liriI'm unsure from reading the pymaemo documentation introductory page if there is an sqlite module available for performing sqlite db operations when programming with PyGTK13:47
liriPyMaemo that is.13:47
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lardmanCptn-N800: mode -> approx13:51
lardmanhi hrw13:51
Cptn-N800Yeah i found out eventually, thanks :D13:53
lardmanDoes it run fast enough to be useful?13:53
Cptn-N800Yes...using tiemu its slow but still useful13:55
lardmanoh, you're not using tiemu then?13:55
Cptn-N800No, i am13:55
lardmanignore me, typed message then looked away and pressed enter13:55
Cptn-N800i just specified that thats what im using, i know there are slower aps13:55
lardmanI'm glad to see it working, it was very slow on the 77013:56
lardmanat least the build I used13:56
Cptn-N800Its not something you want to use for hours on end but for a quick something its nice13:56
Cptn-N800Its still buggy13:56
Cptn-N800and runs the cpu at max when in use13:57
lardmanah, so you probably can't suspend with it running, not ideal13:57
Cptn-N800Thik that would drain the battery pretty fast13:57
lardmanah well, with the n810 I have less need of the on screen keyboard stuff, might even go for command line giac for the symbolic stuff13:58
Cptn-N800But its not "lock up the tablet until done"-kinda cpu spike13:58
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lardmanyeah, just wouldn't want to leave it running on the desk and come back to find the battery dead an hour later, etc.13:59
Cptn-N800Transmission does that -.- Because it writes to sd all the time i guess13:59
lardmanI must have another look for a Python (or indeed any language) mathematics pretty printer (and not latex) to stick a pretty front end on yacas14:00
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Cptn-N800Im just using it for quick calc at math lectures when i dont bother bringing my casio14:01
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JaffaX-Fade_: ping14:22
X-Fade_Jaffa: Yep ;)14:22
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JaffaX-Fade_: I'm just adding tablet-encode to downloads to test #2347 but am a bit confused by the "Screenshots" bit of the form. What's the use/difference of "name" and "title"?14:23
Jaffa#2373 sorry14:24
JaffaOh, that's pissed me off. Just clicked on one of the toolbar icons to see if it did anything helpful (like show me the help) and it bloody changed the page I was on; losing all the data I'd input.14:25
JaffaThat's a FFS moment.14:25
X-FadeName is the filename that will be used in the url and title the alt of the image, I think..14:25
JaffaNow, can you stop it destroying data when stupid users click on the weird left-most icon?14:25
X-FadeJaffa: Although we don't seem to use it at the moment..14:26
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X-FadeJaffa: Which icon did you click on?14:27
JaffaX-Fade: I think, looking more closely, it's the Midgard one.14:28
X-FadeAh, hehe ;)14:28
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JaffaX-Fade: "Page" and "Folder" didn't do anything, so thought that might popup a help window.14:28
JaffaI've learnt it does not :-/14:28
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JaffaX-Fade: after uploading an image, it's copied the download URL from "URL of .install file" to the "Editable install file" box.14:30
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X-FadeJaffa: You mean, you did? ;) It doesn't do that for me?14:31
JaffaX-Fade: no, it did that for me. It also seems to have half-forgotten my first screenshot and ignored the second after hitting "upload image" on the second.14:32
* Jaffa puts it in the bug.14:32
X-FadeJaffa: Those are 2 different fields with different field names. There is no way it copies it..14:32
liriare there sqlite bindings to develop a database app using pygtk/pymaemo?14:33
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JaffaX-Fade: do you want me to try re-uploading my screenshots or do you want time to look at first?14:39
X-FadeJaffa: Can you try to add the screenshots, now that the product is created?14:39
JaffaX-Fade: will do14:39
JaffaThat worked.14:42
X-FadeJaffa: Yeah, it seems that there is a problem in the images datatype in midgard. Will try to figure out what happens..14:43
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thuxany universal im client for os2008?15:05
johnxor rtcomm beta15:06
thuxboth do gtalk and msn messenger?15:07
johnxyeah, pretty sure15:07
jottor remote irssi with bitlbee :)15:07
thuxbitlbee ain't for maemo?15:08
jottyou can compile it15:08
dpb___bitlbee can be used with any irc client15:08
jottdon't know if there are any ready packages15:08
Robot101rtcomm beta ++ :)15:09
dpb___easier to connect to a public server..15:09
liriisn't gaim good enough?15:09
felipectelepathy-haze ++15:10
dpb___There is no gaim, liri.15:10
dpb___It's Pidgin nowadays.15:10
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jottthere should be a pure console based distro for NITs.. grml NIT edition or so :)15:13
johnxdebian could fit that bill nicely :D15:13
johnxwouldn't be terribly useful for N800 owners though...15:14
Jaffajohnx: USB keyboard? :)15:14
JaffaITT having problems?15:14
NaviI don't care so much for the console part as much as the lack of keyboard15:14
* Navi doesn't have a keyboard15:15
johnxNavi, get a keyboard :P15:15
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johnxthough I find that I don't use my usb keyboard that much15:15
johnxhave to time it ends up plugged into my desktop controlling freevo15:16
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infobotjohnx meant: half to time it ends up plugged into my desktop controlling freevo15:17
* johnx is b0rken15:17
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crashanddieanyone ever used libhildonmm ?15:28
crashanddieit seems their install is pretty much f'd up... Installing the header fles into the wrong directories15:28
jottcrashanddie: looks ok here15:33
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crashanddiejott, try to create a program15:34
crashanddiejott, just #include <hildonmm/banner.h>15:34
crashanddieyou'll notice that that file doesn't exist15:34
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x-demonhow i can my own deb repo?15:35
crashanddiethe only file that exists is /usr/include/hildonmm/hildonmm/banner.h15:35
crashanddiex-demon, there's an easy, and a hard way15:35
jottthat's the correct path15:35
crashanddiejott, no, it's no15:36
x-demoncrashanddie: give me hard15:36
x-demonbut working15:36
jottconsider using pkg-config --cflags hildonmm15:36
crashanddiethe correct path should be /usr/include/hildonmm/banner.h15:36
jottcrashanddie: no15:36
X-Fadex-demon: The question is, why do you want to create yet another repository?15:36
crashanddieX-Fade, it's just easier for your private packages nobody else cares about15:36
jottinclude prefix IS  /usr/include/hildonmm  and files can look then for hildonmm/*.h15:37
x-demonfor my own stuff15:37
X-Fadecrashanddie: Problem is, that people don't tend to keep those repos just for themselves..15:37
x-demonso how can i do it15:37
X-Fadecrashanddie: And when then end up with yet-another-repo..15:37
crashanddieX-Fade, well then so be it ?15:38
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X-FadeNot if I can help it ;)15:39
x-demonwill try15:39
crashanddiex-demon, considering you're only going to use one arch on it, I suggest you use the non-complex approach15:39
jotti also have a local repository with ~2gb of packages ;)15:40
x-demonif i wanna use not one arch?15:40
crashanddiethen use the slightly more complex repo15:40
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crashanddiex-demon, both cases are explained anyhoo15:40
x-demonyes i see15:40
x-demonit's really hard...15:40
jottx-demon: might take a look at reprepro makes the handling quite easy15:41
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x-demondoesnt have i root, i try to setup it on my webhost15:41
x-demonif it not possible, i do it on my vds...15:41
jottyou can build the repo on your local machine and copy it over15:42
jottbut you can also create it as user :)15:42
Robot101WE'RE WORKING ON IT15:43
* jott gives keesj a megaphone :p15:43
* jott gives Robot101 another one15:43
keesjapt-get install figlet ...15:43
Robot101figlet | cowsay15:44
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jottbanner | figlet | cowsay :)15:45
x-demonhmm... some q. i must put packages to repo manually?15:45
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jottx-demon: depends on how your maintain your repo15:45
Robot101keesj: Empathy trunk with Stream-engine trunk makes working video calls from desktops to N810/N800s15:46
x-demonis the HFS correct?15:47
hpg101hi all. i recently bought an n800. is there a consensus as to whether i should now upgrade to os200815:47
keesjIt starts to ring a bel. some collab between a and b..15:48
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jotthpg101: i guess you'll never get a consensus but the majority would recommend upgrading15:48
keesjhpg101: that is really a /. question :p15:48
keesjRobot101: do you blog somewhere?15:48
Robot101keesj:, but... uh... not for some time15:49
Robot101I might soon :)15:49
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crashanddiehmm, maemo repository dead ?15:51
x-demoncrashanddie: can i go PM15:51
keesjRobot101: I did the cape wrath trail15:51
crashanddiex-demon, rather not, I'm not highly available15:51
x-demon5 min, i'm nearly finished15:52
Robot101keesj: sweet15:52
X-Fadecrashanddie: Looking into it now..15:53
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x-demonor under heavy load15:55
x-demondamn, i have a problem15:57
x-demonreal packets must go in /pool15:57
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X-Fadecrashanddie, x-demon: can you check again? Should be better now?16:03
x-demonWhoa! My deb repo is working!16:04
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Italodancei am really confused16:12
Italodancehow can i change the video player from mplayer to the default media player in canola?16:12
johnxItalodance, I have no idea16:13
johnxsomeone else might though16:13
Italodance! :(16:13
johnxmaybe look at the settings at the files in .canola/prefs ?16:14
Italodancei heard about  ~/.atabake/conf ?  but what can i do? i can't find it!16:14
jottItalodance: maybe ask in #canola or ITT?16:14
johnxit's /home/user/.atabake/config16:14
johnxyou have to edit it with a text editor16:14
johnxit doesn't show up in file manager16:15
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Italodancei am trying to open it with emelfm216:17
johnxyou have to make emelfm2 show you "hidden" files16:17
Italodancebut it said enter the command ?16:17
johnxI don't use emelfm216:17
Italodancehow can i edit it on x-term?16:18
Italodancethe command?16:18
johnxinstall nano first, and then type nano .atabake/config16:18
Veggen(it's not a bad idea to learn some vi(m) either ;)16:19
johnxVeggen, O_o one step at a time16:19
WormFoodvim is the only thing I use anymore ;)16:19
johnxWormFood, me too, but like I said, "one step at a time" :P16:20
Italodancejohnx ummmm is it another idea! but can u send me ur atabake file!16:21
johnxI didn't change mine at all16:21
Italodancethen i can recopy it there16:21
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johnxI'll put it on pastebin if you want though16:22
Italodancejohnx ur canola video player is by mplayer or media player?16:22
johnxit's whatever the default is16:22
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johnxI don't even play video on my tablet16:22
Italodancewell mine is mplayer!16:22
johnxhere's mine,
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Italodanceah mplayer!16:24
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hrwbtw - is there a media player for n8x0 which can handle music collection on remote samba share?16:37
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Italodancehrw ukmp  canola!16:38
hrwwhich one you would suggest?16:39
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hrwand which one is open?16:39
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Italodancei have both16:41
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blafaselI've never seen a better UI for thie N810 than the canola one, so go with that hrw  - at least try it first ;)16:54
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lardmanhrw: canola isn't open though16:58
lardmanwell my sdhc card works in the SD adaptor in the N800, so it looks like the second bug from earlier is the answer - crappy micro to mini sd adaptor :(16:59
* lardman looks to see where to buy a new one16:59
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hrwcanola lack samba support17:07
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blafasellardman: What was your problem? Because crappy adapter sounds familiar..17:08
lardman4Gb micro sdhc, doens't work with the mini adaptor, but does with the full sd adaptor17:08
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blafaselAh, okay. I intentionally destroyed my adapter yesterday, after trying to get the perfectly fine card to work in various readers.. Very satisfying.17:11
lardmanhmm, firstly, I wonder why more shops don't sell them, and secondly, I wonder how it can fail to work, rubbish17:11
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lardmanI almost lost the card + SD adaptor in my N800 - there's no indent on the exposed side17:12
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crashanddieisn't there a DBUS session running on the Maemo platform17:15
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lardmanyes, pretty much everything talks over dbus17:18
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lardmanhrw: It looks like Canola 2 can be extended using Python - so there may be enough flexibility for you17:29
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crashanddielardman, hmm, d'you know how can I can get around "D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid"17:33
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lardmanwhat's telling you that?17:33
crashanddielardman, an example in the maemomm C++ bindings docs17:34
lardmanno idea, sorry17:34
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lardmanstill no idea sorry. Is this on the device or in scratchbox though?17:38
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Italodancewhere can i find nano?17:59
johnxon downloads.maemo.org18:01
Italodance  i need os 200818:01
Italodancehere is18:02
Italodancejohnx then after installl what can i do with that?18:02
Italodanceis it a tool with icon on menu?18:02
johnxit's in xterm18:02
hrwlardman: many things can be done18:02
johnxopen xterm and type nano .atabake/config18:03
hrwlardman: but even crappy default media player can handle samba directly..18:03
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Italodancejohnx do u have it? it is not a harmful? i afraid18:03
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johnxnano is not harmful18:04
johnxdo I have what?18:04
Italodancei trust u :D18:04
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johnxI have installed other apps from . They seem fine :)18:04
Italodanceread the last reply
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johnxtry it. the worst that can happen is that it won't work18:08
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johnxif you're afraid to use it, then don't18:09
Italodanceno i need these risks18:09
Italodancedo u have it on ur tablet?18:10
GeneralAntillesIt's a stupid text-editor.18:10
GeneralAntillesIt can't break anything.18:10
johnxnope. I use vi but vi can be a little difficult for new users18:10
Italodancei can uninstall  it after my work18:11
hrwcanola2 does not handle samba18:11
hrwukmp does not handle anything18:11
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hrwit just say 'sorry, no albums, bye'18:11
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GeneralAntillesMedia player should do Samba.18:12
GeneralAntillesSupport is a little buggy18:12
GeneralAntillesBut I'd expect improvements with Diablo.18:12
hrwGeneralAntilles: media player do samba. but I have 12GB of music on samba share18:13
hrwGeneralAntilles: so I want player with 'media library' funtion not just 'select song to be played'18:13
GeneralAntillesYou should pick up a 16GB card, then. :P18:13
johnxmaybe fuse+smbnetfs would be best in the long run...18:13
hrwjohnx: thats workaround18:14
hrwGeneralAntilles: and 300GB hdd on back on n810 (just in case)18:14
hrwI like to use tablet to play music from samba share on home hifi system18:14
hrwbut canola2 does not allow this, ukmp does not even start...18:15
GeneralAntillesMedia streamer?18:15
hrwand media player force user to go through /samba/share/dir1/dir2/dir3/dir4/dir5 each time18:15
hrwGeneralAntilles: I prefer to avoid it18:15
GeneralAntillesEh, OK, those are my suggestions.18:16
hrwGeneralAntilles: this machine (samba one) has many other things to do now18:16
solmumahadoes it have ssh?18:16
lcddwhy should applications provide support for network filesystems to begin with?18:16
johnxsoon we'll have upnp support in canola at least18:16
lcdddo it in gnome-vfs or mount the shares18:16
hrwlcdd: because system apps provide it?18:16
johnxbut I'm with lcdd. I'm a big fan of fuse...18:16
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hrwlcdd: user can run original maemo crappy media player and select song from anywhere: rootfs, cards, bluetooth, samba. So why other apps has to limit it to cards + one folder in rootfs (like canola2 do)?18:17
hrwjohnx: and maemo does not provide fuse modules by default too..18:18
GeneralAntillesBecause Samba support isn't free?18:18
hrwukmp do nasty things in postinst...18:18
johnxGeneralAntilles, eh? O_o18:18
lcddhrw: most important features come first, i guess18:18
johnxhrw, that's the beauty of a linux based device. you can add software18:18
qwerty12I thought Samba was opensource but not SMB18:18
GeneralAntillesi.e. you don't just wave a magic wand and have Samba support18:18
johnxprobably because mplayer (which they sometimes use as a backend) doesn't have gnomevfs support18:19
hrwGeneralAntilles: gnome-vfs exists for quite long time and is present on device with working samba features18:19
derfAnd gnome-vfs is a PITA to actually integrate into applications.18:19
derfThat's why Gnome has already scrapped it and replaced it with GVFS.18:20
derf(and SMB is a protocol... it is neither open nor closed source)18:20
* johnx (tenatively) looks forward to gvfs18:20
hrwderf: it is protocol which has working opensource implementation18:21
hrwderf: I am not talking about tablet <> windows2019 but tablet <> samba 3.x18:21
derfYes. Called Samba.18:21
derfI'm just being a semantics Nazi.18:21
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lcddhrw: all the media players seem to suck somehow. i've found web-based streaming the least painful to use18:22
johnxI've found upnp streaming to be the best supported18:22
hrwlcdd: but for playing media streaming zire71 (older then 770) is enough18:22
hrwanyway it is good subject to blog18:23
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Italodancejohnx is it possible i edit the atabake file in my pc then move to tablet and reinstall it there?18:23
hrw"user-unfriendliness of maemo media players"18:23
johnxItalodance, sure, but that's the hard way. You do it if you want, but it's up to you to figure out how18:24
GeneralAntillesPersonally, Italodance, I'd invest a hour or so acquainting myself with vi.18:24
GeneralAntillesIt's really fairly straightforward as long as you don't get fancy.18:24
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hrwhow to kill maemo image viewer: give it 5Mpx picture over samba18:31
Italodanceread here :
Italodancenokia want to help me here :D18:31
johnxwhat am I reading?18:31
hrwit will open it, show and then any menu usage will make it looping with 'opening 1/15' (15 pics in folder)18:32
Italodancei typed the reply message of nokia there18:32
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johnxhrw, yeah...I kinda, think the gnomevfs/smb support in maemo is a little sketchy18:34
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GeneralAntillesIt's fresh with OS2008.18:34
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GeneralAntillesWe've yet to have a real update to OS2008. <_<18:34
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Cptnodegardare there any mods on ITT?18:35
hrwjohnx: a little?18:35
GeneralAntillesCptnodegard, one.18:35
johnxyeah, that's why I'm going to get fuse/smbnetfs working...18:35
GeneralAntillesIf you have a problem, use the report button.18:35
GeneralAntillesReggie deals with the spam stuff pretty quickly.18:36
GeneralAntillesMy bet is that we'll see a lot of improvement with Diablo.18:36
crashanddieanyone here ever tried to use the maemomm libs ?18:36
hrwand the one who created hildon filerequester have sick type of humour...18:36
hrwrun any default maemo4 app, choose 'open' and you will start from /Documents/ never mind where you were before...18:37
Cptnodegardyeah i just reported a spammer, but reports in the fast seems creepily slow, weird that such a big forum has a single mod18:37
GeneralAntillesMeh, it's not really much of an issue.18:37
crashanddiejohnx | GeneralAntilles: you guys never came accross the following error while programming on scratchbox/n810:  "D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid ..."18:41
GeneralAntillesCan't install scratchbox here. :P18:41
johnxI haven't built anything that needs d-bus I think. What are you trying to compile?18:41
solmumahajohnx: i have an smbnetfs package if you wanna try it18:42
johnxit might be searching for d-bus in a strange way?18:42
johnxsolmumaha, I'd love to! :D18:42
lardmancrashanddie: inside scratchbox or on the device?18:42
solmumahastill have the address?18:42
johnxlet me see...18:43
crashanddielardman, both18:43
lcdddoes the upcoming sdk update mean there will be also a new OS image?18:43
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crashanddiejohnx, examples from the maemomm doc18:43
lardmancrashanddie: ah, I was just wondering if it could be a runtime error because the scratchbox maemo desktop stuff wasn't running18:43
crashanddielardman, nha, its on both, though, when I force it with dbus-launch ./progName, it runs fine18:44
inzcrashanddie, try ./progName18:44
johnxsolmumaha, downloading now...18:45
crashanddieyeah but do I have to do that on the n810 too ?18:45
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crashanddieinz, seems pretty ugly to me18:46
inzcrashanddie, you only have to do it when starting it manually from command line18:47
crashanddieok, great :)18:47
inzcrashanddie, if you have your program started by hildon-desktop or dbus, then you don't need it18:47
crashanddieinz, oh right, sweet :) Thanks !18:47
crashanddiewell, heading home now, be back in a bit18:48
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jottinz: you fixed the bold black in vte?! i've compiled current trunk and tag mh7 from garage but this vte version still (again) lacks bold black. do you have a diff of what you changed and why is it not in svn? or am i missing something?18:54
inzjott, which svn you compiled from?18:55
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inzjott, indeed I wonder where I fixed it in, can't find the fix in either my repo, or the garage18:57
inzjott, maybe I forgot to commit, beh18:57
inzjott, the fix is actually _very_ trivial18:57
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jottinz: i bet it is - still this should be in svn :)18:58
konttoriinz: Did you patch the 14 line?18:58
hrwfuse... another tool which is not present in maemo repos..18:58
inzkonttori, 14 line?18:58
konttoriah.. of xterm18:59
konttorior did the patch only affect the vte?18:59
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inzkonttori, the patch is only vte19:01
konttoriok. cool.19:01
inzjott, I've now uploaded a patch to svn19:04
hrwsolmumaha: I already have ~50 repositories present...19:04
hrwsolmumaha: so sorry but installing packages from totally random place is not a solution19:04
jottinz: ah thanks, maybe also put it in garage so it might be in the next release :)19:05
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inzjott, I'll try that it compiles, at least ;)19:05
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jotthehe sure :)19:07
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solmumahahrw: just thought you wanted it19:07
hrwsolmumaha: if something for maemo is not present in those 40 (checked with wc) repos which I already enabled I prefer to build it by my own then getting it from random places.19:08
solmumahawell do that then and upload them to one :)19:10
johnxsolmumaha, is there a reason you don't have user allowed to use fuse?19:10
hrwmaemo extras supports only scratchbox built packages. I do not use sbox19:10
inzjott, dammit, it was already in maemo-hackers svn19:10
johnxI just tweaked a couple things and it works here...19:10
hrwsolmumaha: and using fuse on tablet require also kernel change19:11
solmumahajohnx: no19:11
qwerty12Does it? I thought fuse was user space.19:11
inzjott, for some reason, i couldn't spot it in the patch list and made a new one... ...with a same name (just different order number)19:11
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hrwqwerty12: + kernel module19:12
solmumahahrw: it has a kernel module, no need to touch kernel19:12
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hrwok then19:12
jottinz: yeah already spotted the trivial fix ;)19:12
inzjott, the fixes I made were different though19:13
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inzjott, the other used >= 8 and the other > 7 ;)19:13
hrwsolmumaha: possible that I did not checked that. my n810 has fuse,nfs,ext2,ext3 and some other goodies in kernel19:13
inzjott, anyway, added the patch to garage svn too19:13
jottnice, thanks inz19:13
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solmumahahrw: i only compiled fuse for ntfs support19:16
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solmumahapeople then wanted sshfs etc so i compiled them too19:17
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hrwsolmumaha: put packages into maemo-extras?19:18
* johnx tests how canola and smbnetfs play together...19:19
solmumahajohnx: did it work?19:20
johnxsmbnetfs works great19:20
johnxpicked up all my open shares and looks fine in filemanager and CLI19:20
solmumahaglad to hear it19:20
johnxthanks, btw. :D19:21
solmumahawhat about password protected shares?19:21
johnxI haven't tried one yet19:22
johnxI dunno if I even have any password protected shares19:22
hrwjohnx: as long as you mount those shares somewhere in /home/user/ or otherwise none of maemo apps will not show it...19:22
johnxhrw, yeah, I know19:23
johnxI just mount them under /home/user/net/foo and ln -s the parts I want into MyDocs/foo/bar19:23
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solmumahahrw: i don't have an account and i packaged them by hand so they aren't really extras ready19:23
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johnxsolmumaha, so they aren't based on the debian packages?19:24
solmumahanope, made with ar and tar19:25
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konttoriGeneralAntilles: Hey, where was it announced that diablo will have support for some kind of debian updating?19:39
GeneralAntillesSomewhere on maemo.org19:39
GeneralAntillesBack when everybody outside of Nokia was under the impression that Diablo = OS200919:39
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konttorisweet: also: Automatic codec installer  - don't know if that's for diablo or not though  :
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Italodancei changed mplayer to media player in atabake config file but no change? why?19:48
johnxpost your .atabake/config on pastebin19:50
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johnxand you just expect that it will guess what you mean by media player?19:55
qwerty12Does anyone have a list (not links -although if you have them, it would help :P) of security/hacking tools like nmap, metasploit, kismet that you can run on OS2008?19:56
Italodancejohnx i changed all mplayer with media player19:56
qwerty12lol wtf19:57
Italodancejohnx what's wrong now?19:57
qwerty12replace it with mplayer19:57
Italodanceqwerty12 it was mplayer before i want media player19:57
johnxqwerty12, he's trying to change it to "maemo media player"19:57
qwerty12replace it with oms then19:57
johnxItalodance, use "oms" not "media player"19:57
Italodancejohnx ok so i use :19:58
Italodanceoms = oms19:58
Italodancegeneral = oms19:58
Italodanceright? only this?19:58
johnxis that the whole file? did you just delete the rest of it?20:00
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Italodancedone but canola can't full screen now20:02
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qwerty12not much we can do about it then.20:03
qwerty12mplayer is meant to be used by default on purpose.20:03
qwerty12I'm not seeing anything. But I think my page count is set higher. link me to the single post.20:04
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johnxItalodance, you messed up that file. You just guessed what needed to be in it, instead of reading about how to edit it. open xterm and run  rm .atabake/config to make canola work again, then play a song and the file will be recreated correctly. then when you edit it again, just replace mplayer with oms20:04
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konttoriGeneralAntilles: Ah. Found that also Quim Gil has been talking about the Seamless Software Updates (SSU). (
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Italodancei changed it to mplayer again can be full screen too20:05
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GeneralAntillesNice find, konttori.20:10
qwerty12KotCzarny, always tired? :p20:11
tenspeedcan anyone tell me what I can do with my N770 thats useful?  I seem to have a lot of problems with the stuff I'm attempting to run and don't understand others.20:11
KotCzarnyqwerty: more like sleepy20:11
qwerty12I'm really sleepy too and it's only 6 PM >.<20:11
KotCzarnyqwerty: have you seen kciconsbox? ;)20:11
qwerty12Stupid time difference20:11
GeneralAntillestenspeed, all sorts of stuff.20:11
GeneralAntillesBasically everything the N8x0 can do, but slower.20:11
KotCzarnyah, i guess you have20:12
qwerty12KotCzarny, Yes, I saw it and thanked you :). I haven't got around to installing yet though but a brilliant program :)20:12
tenspeedfor example: i got FBreader, kinda confused what books you read on it?  How do I get the books on there in the first place too?20:12
hrwtenspeed: read fbreader homepage20:12
KotCzarnybtw. what's that thankingin thing for anyway?20:12
GeneralAntillestenspeed, it may be worthwhile to visit the ITT wiki20:13
GeneralAntillesIt covers a lot of stuff like that.20:13
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GeneralAntillesbaen has a lot of free stuff available20:13
GeneralAntillesas well as project gutenberg20:13
tenspeedI was messing with GVM(palmos emulator) and everything I install crashes and stuff.  I guess this is the norm?20:13
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johnxwell you can read books in html format or in plucker format, and you can either plug your 770 directly into your computer to transfer the files over or download the books directly on the 770 from project gutenburg or similar20:13
GeneralAntillesHTML/RTF/TXT/Mobi/Plucker (non-drmed) stuff is what FBReader uses.20:13
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qwerty12KotCzarny, no idea :p :D20:13
GeneralAntillestenspeed, GVM is very beta.20:14
GeneralAntillesOnly works with a limited set of Palm applications.20:14
jottthere is also a tool to automatically fetch stuff from project gutenberg20:14
KotCzarnyis it like bonus points or respect ?20:14
tenspeedoic, was thinking it was refined I guess20:14
tenspeedare there any emulators that work a little better?20:14
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GeneralAntillesReally, though, the truth is that the OMAP1710 is just a touch slow. :)20:15
tenspeedI was googling for netrek client too called TODO, but nothing yet I guess.  Maybe it never released?20:15
qwerty12KotCzarny, maybe to clean up the forum and I guess for respect too :). I want to try the kciconsbox (should be useful with some crap game ports I've put out) but I'm restoring a backup ATM20:15
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KotCzarnyi should really make a proper package, but i just wanted to post the working version as soon as possible :)20:16
qwerty12I hate packaging >.< (making that is). Unless you count PyPackager, I could never figure out how to make one. All I wanted was a deb of the directory structure I made and dh_make wants makefiles etc :p20:17
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KotCzarnyit's as simple as making debian/ dir and running dpkg-buildpackage20:18
qwerty12Not to me :P ;)20:18
tenspeedGeneralAntilles: can it read DRM'ed stuff too?20:18
KotCzarnyi will steal debian/ dir from canola20:18
GeneralAntillesAre you familiar with the DMCA, tenspeed?20:18
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KotCzarnyand *poof* package is ready :)20:18
tenspeedDMCA: all the crappy laws about piracy?20:19
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qwerty12tenspeed, some formats can be "undrmed"20:19
GeneralAntillesEh, more or less.20:19
GeneralAntillesBut, no, it doesn't support DRMed formats20:19
GeneralAntillesNot because it's not possible20:19
tenspeedthat would be something like eReader on Palm or something right?20:19
GeneralAntillesbut because the DMCA prevents them from doing so.20:19
johnxahaha...fuse/smbnetfs is much more responsive than the builtin gnomevfs/smb and I can skip around in songs with it too...20:20
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KotCzarnyjohnx: have you seen my kciconsbox ? :)20:20
GeneralAntillesMore or less, it's illegal to circumvent encryption.20:20
johnxI saw the listing for it...but I mainly use apps that behave themselves :)20:21
tenspeedGeneralAntilles: just gotta read around.  I don't know much about all the formats and getting "the good stuff" on my reader20:21
KotCzarnyjohnx: mainly ;)20:21
KotCzarnyit's for those rare blacksheeps ;)20:21
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GeneralAntillesAre both good places to start.20:22
qwerty12KotCzarny, that just reminded of ABS20:22
GeneralAntillesThere are . . . others, if you know where to look.20:22
qwerty12*reminded me20:22
qwerty12Albino Black Sheep lol20:22
johnxthose muscles in your torso :)20:22
KotCzarnyah, ok ;)20:22
GeneralAntillesAnti-lock brakes?20:22
* johnx actually thought about anti-lock braking system... <_<20:22
tenspeedGeneralAntilles: anything else you suggest installing.  I've had this N770 for like 9 months and couldn't even install an application on it, but finally figured out it needed reflashing for some reason20:22
* KotCzarny thought about abs(); 20:23
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GeneralAntillesCanola, mplayer, Doom20:23
* jott wonders why basically only americans assume their laws would apply globally :P20:23
* qwerty12 agrees20:23
KotCzarnybecause they don't know nothing about world?20:24
jottgood point :)20:24
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GeneralAntillesjott, US government != americans20:24
jottGeneralAntilles: you talked about DMCA20:24
jottor are you US government? ;)20:24
keesjKotCzarny: evert better steel the one from the canola-tunnig (real 1337 shell deb faking stuff)20:24
KotCzarnykeesj: thx for tip :)20:25
GeneralAntillesjott, that's the reason.20:25
tenspeedGeneral Antilles: is there some way to stream videos on this thing away from home?20:25
GeneralAntillesDoesn't really have anything to do with my opinions on global application of american laws. :\20:25
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GeneralAntillestenspeed, what's the upstream on your internet?20:25
GeneralAntillesand what OS do you run on your home computer?20:26
tenspeedXP: 400k20:26
tenspeedXP, 100k I mean20:26
GeneralAntilles100Kbps or 100KB/sec?20:26
GeneralAntillesNo, there's no way to stream videos to the 770 away from home.20:26
GeneralAntillesUnless you have an external host somewhere.20:27
KotCzarnyflash streamer?20:27
tenspeedmight be 768kbps if I'm on wifi20:27
jotthehe 54kbps modem stream ;)20:27
KotCzarnyeverything is doable20:27
GeneralAntillesYour neighbor's wifi, or what?20:27
tenspeedfigured out I can pair with my HTC Touch phone, but limited to EVDO speed20:27
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jottmost people are used to the youtube video quality anyway ;)20:28
* GeneralAntilles slaps jott around with a ;)20:28
KotCzarnyhd is only fun on screen >40"20:29
* jott ;)'s20:29
johnxor sitting close to a 19" LCD :P20:30
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jottor having good eyes20:30
lcukor putting an 810 over each eye20:30
johnxlcuk, that sounds like another great wood-working project for you :D20:30
lcuk( i am thinking of doing a proper 3d projection with 2*400*48020:31
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KotCzarnylcuk: i have made kciconsbox20:31
johnxa nice head-mountable N810 holding frame20:31
KotCzarnyand it works ;)20:31
lcukexcellent - hope the little hint got you in the right direction20:31
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KotCzarnythanks for your help :)20:31
lcuknp, its a learning curve for all20:32
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KotCzarnybut i will have to rewrite it for xlib20:32
KotCzarnystartup is slow because of import gtk20:32
KotCzarnyand take quite a bit of ram ~10mb20:33
lcukarent all py apps so sluggish though20:33
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Juhazuse the launcher?20:33
KotCzarnybut i hope shared libs are shared properly20:33
KotCzarnyjuhaz: does it help with pygtk ?20:34
lcukwould it be quicker using the library you found all wrapped up inside a single c exe?20:34
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KotCzarnylcuk: yes20:34
KotCzarnythat's what i meant with xlib rewrite20:34
lcukahh - i thought xlib was the front end of choice in python..20:34
KotCzarnyit's standard lib20:35
lcukwell then all in one will be better :)20:35
JuhazKotCzarny, it should20:35
Juhazin fact, as far as I got the announcement, that's the only module it helps with so far20:35
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KotCzarnybut quite a bit of apps use pygtk20:36
vlad_hrm, is there any way to flash or boot a different kernel on the device itself?20:36
KotCzarnyvlad: yes20:36
KotCzarnygoogle for fanoush kernel flasher20:36
keesjKotCzarny: that one does run after the kernel is loaded right?20:37
keesjbut the standard nokia flasher and the 0xffff flash booth support flashing of a kernel20:37
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KotCzarnykeesj: fanoush flasher is a simple script to make mtd-utils easier20:39
KotCzarnyalso pads the kernel etc20:39
keesjit is pretty asome indeed20:40
KotCzarnyyeah, and straight forward to use20:40
tenspeedgeneral:I got it to stream videos, but for some reason I can't see any music on my media server with Windows Media Play and mplayer on the Nokia20:40
keesjKotCzarny: but it not not flash the kernel :p20:40
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KotCzarnykeesj: i'm talking about kernel flasher, not initfs flasher20:41
KotCzarnythere are two of them, you know20:41
KotCzarny(two scripts, that is)20:41
keesjhmm interesting..20:41
KotCzarnyyou should read fanoush's page in whole20:41
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GeneralAntillesWindows Media Play is proprietary, no?20:41
KotCzarnyit has many usefull information20:41
GeneralAntillesBesides, mplayer doesn't support shared media like that.20:42
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vlad_hrm, is the rx-34-kernel that's in the repo the one from the latest image?20:50
vlad_I guess it must be20:50
KotCzarnybut get randr patches20:50
vlad_mmm, tempting20:50
vlad_I'd have to rebuild though20:50
vlad_and I just want oprofile at the moment20:50
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buck68anybody have experience with implementing a tap-and-hold popup menu?20:51
lcukahhh damn20:52
KotCzarnyis damning part of the process?20:52
lcuka user interface necessity but a user interface nightmare20:52
lcuki curse everytime i use it20:52
KotCzarnyyeah, it should have a button20:52
KotCzarnyor simply have reverse magnet on the other end20:53
lcukit shouldnt be needed - we should be able to choose either a double tap or a button or leave as is20:53
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GeneralAntilleslcuk, tap'n'hold should be much improved in Diablo.20:54
buck68i am trying to connect a popup menu to a drawing area via tap-and-hold .... i don't seem to get any response... and I'm wondering if there are any gtk.gdk flags I might need to set on the drawingarea to enable the tap and hold20:54
lcukinfact, the better would be a single tap should bring a menu up if there is one, and a tap/slide action should do whatever else20:54
GeneralAntillesSo, instead of activating a link, you get a contextual menu?20:54
KotCzarnymenu shuldn't hide after picking up stylus20:55
fysanot a single day goes by where I don't curse at my IT's UI.20:55
lcukin the broser the tap takes > 1 second anyway so you could have it responding to a second tap easilr20:55
KotCzarnyit's hard to keep the pressure20:55
fysaI almost smashed it last night again.20:55
buck68this is in pymaemo btw20:55
lcukbuck, im not sure, does it work if you try it on a windows/linux desktop box?  are there examples (there are for everything else)20:56
lcukfysa, if you want to smash it ill make you a wooden replica and you can smash that and ill have your real one :)20:56
johnxKotCzarny, it used to work that way in OS200720:57
KotCzarnyjohnx: damn20:57
lmouraAFAIR, there weren20:57
johnxI think it's a bug though or something, so it should get fixed20:57
KotCzarnybtw. i have found finger operations need quite a pressure20:57
fysaI really want to use the stylus to highlight partial text in a browser textfield, have the keyboard come up and let me type to replace that text.20:57
lmoura there weren't any flags20:57
KotCzarnysensitivity should be configurable20:57
fysaI do NOT want to click left dpad a million fucking times to get to the start of the textfield.  askdsjdsjds20:58
lcukKotCzarny, ill send you over something later which allows a bit of testing of the pressure and stuff20:58
lcuki have rawmouse working and have been playing a bit :)20:58
KotCzarnylcuk: yeah, i have seen the code20:59
KotCzarnybut it should be system wide config option20:59
lcukfysa, are you on an 80020:59
fysayes.  an N810 would probably solve half of my frustrations.20:59
lcukKotCzarny, agreed :) but basically touch/tap shouldnt really be treated differently21:00
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fysaI am in a holding period, waiting for a higher performance/more RAM (it's really needed with this browser) -- or an optimized webkit browser.21:00
lcukfbreader gives you options to adjust touch tap things and ries to do stuff, but theres no play area to configure it and it moves multiple annoying pages21:00
KotCzarnylcuk, doesn't matter, what i want is control-panel app for it21:00
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GeneralAntillesfysa, I'm waiting for Diablo. :D21:01
fysaI work from home, and would love to use my device to catch up on Google Reader outside on the deck/couch -- you know, to relax away from the desk for a bit during lunch or such.21:02
fysaThe problem is using this device is not relaxing in the least.21:02
KotCzarnyit will be, it will21:02
fysait's a battle.21:02
* KotCzarny grins21:02
KotCzarnyat least making apps for it isn't a problem21:02
lcukdoes links compile for maemo?   wont the experience be faster?21:02
KotCzarnylcuk: yes21:02
KotCzarnywant my patched version?21:03
lcuksure, ill give it a blast - ive never used it on normal linux but it will be good to see21:03
KotCzarnyi have made scrollbar and back 'button' bigger21:03
KotCzarnyand probably something else21:03
fysasomeone has webkit-based midori packaged.21:04
lcukthe only thing that made browsing barable for me with standard browser was making dpad move by page21:04
* lcuk curses his keyboard21:04
GeneralAntilleslcuk, spacebar should page.21:04
GeneralAntillesshift-spacebar should go back21:05
lcukdamn  tap n open isnt working here..21:05
GeneralAntillesThen you can use the browser without even having to touch the screen.21:05
lcukim left handed anyway - i can never use the screen because my hand covers it to reach the scrollbar21:05
KotCzarnyuse xkbd :)21:06
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KotCzarnyi can be made to show different layouts/positions on the scrren21:06
lcukwhy? ive got a kb underneath :)21:06
* KotCzarny doesn't21:07
lcukdoes usbhost work for 800?21:07
johnxworks really well too :D21:08
* lcuk kicks his browser - kot, your mime types are messed up, firefox wanted to open as text and now it wont download21:08
KotCzarnyok, moment21:08
fysaleft handed here also.  very painful.21:08
KotCzarnyand it's not the mimetypes i guess21:09
KotCzarnyprobably because of lack of extension21:09
johnxI'm right handed but I don't use a stylus anyways, just thumbs on the screen. Maybe some of you lefties should give it a shot?21:09
KotCzarnyshot in a thumb?21:09
* KotCzarny shrugs21:09
* lcuk quickly wipes his screen after john used it21:09
fysasomeone doesn't want me to use my thumb to browe, because they refuse to make the scrollbar a decent size.21:10
johnxyeah, that would be nice21:10
KotCzarnyfusa: that's what drag anywhere is for21:10
johnxI use my right thumb nail for it though21:10
KotCzarnyto make scrollbars obsolete21:10
fysayou'd think..21:10
fysabut try a page that's 10-20x window height21:10
fysait quickly becomes a treadmill21:10
johnxyeah, well the drag anywhere in microb has a ways left to go21:10
KotCzarnyyeah.. i know21:11
johnxanyways, web scrollbar -> right thumbnail21:11
lcukahh but they gave you a painful way to scroll in page (like my bookreader;)) which if you slow down enough and wait for the page to download and everything to initialise and all the background processes to stop and dont click on a link and dont have anyone around you and are in the right country will actually scroll down the page for you :)21:11
lcuk(but only after the gps initialises ;))21:11
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johnxlcdd,'s meant to be used. In 2 years when the screen dies from my abuse their will be something better/faster/cheaper anyways21:12
johnxgah...lcuk, not lcdd. sorry lcdd :|21:12
* johnx loses21:12
johnxguilty as charged :P21:12
lcuk<<< FAIL21:12
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lcukits always the way when you are correcting someone else that you make more mistakes - seen all over /.21:13
johnxalso, glasses wipes work great on gadget screens :D21:13
lcukim not too bothered by touching this screen, its not that bad21:13
lcuksomeone said 810 came with a special wipe21:14
KotCzarnyonce you get corrected you make less mistakes21:14
lcuki must have been conned21:14
* lcuk is still waiting for htis download to kick in21:15
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johnxI used to be so obsessive about not getting my screen smudged, then I got an N800 with no stylus and just kind of gave up :D21:15
pupnika pencil works just fine21:15
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GeneralAntillesI like the Boxwave anti-glare for smudge reduction.21:16
lcuki use a pen but have to check the lid is on21:16
lcuka bit difficult sometimes because i have a notepad in front of me at all times21:16
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johnxbut for the lefties out there I bet tapping on the screen with thumbs will work better. (also thumb tapping is easier when standing on the train)21:16
KotCzarnynine inch nails!21:16
KotCzarnylcuk: leave 2 nails unchewed21:17
johnxyou can chew two of your toe nails instead if you need to :D21:17
lcukw00t - manually clicking link told me firefox didnt know the protocol.    but saving as just left it in downloads21:18
* lcuk puts his foot in mouth more often than not21:18
lcukfirefox only21:18
lcuki think21:18
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johnxI think canola is trying to be clever and not recurse down a different file system for scanning...21:19
KotCzarnyjohnx: bug!21:19
johnxit might be intentional...21:19
johnxthe media player is showing similar behavior21:19
KotCzarnylcuk: #kotc, i can't respond on priv ;)21:20
pupniktenspeed: still around?21:20
lcukkot, i know i was just showing the links without reposting21:20
KotCzarnyk k21:20
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KotCzarnylcuk: but for links you will need kciconsbox too21:24
lcukill grab source :P21:24
lcukfor links without for now21:24
lcukhmmm intershit exploder works with either link21:24
KotCzarnymine grammar parses has just failed21:25
lcuklinks depends on kciconbox21:25
lcukinternet explorer opens both links21:25
lcukfirefox doesnt like your domain name, it thinks it smells21:25
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KotCzarnyi think it doesn't like :23280 part21:25
lcukahhh well i have now.     whos got a blog round here and which are good and nice enough to allow code upload and comments etc21:27
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KotCzarnyok, bbl21:33
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* johnx watches canola index 13GB of music over smbnetfs21:34
KotCzarnyjohnx: media libraries.. suck!21:34
KotCzarny(metadata, that is)21:34
johnxactually, I just want to torture test smbnetfs21:35
KotCzarnyjohnx: how about xmms?21:35
johnxhow about it?21:35
KotCzarnyit's nice21:35
KotCzarnyand supports many different formats21:35
johnxit's not as thumb friendly as canola21:35
johnxall my stuff is mp321:35
KotCzarnyit is21:35
KotCzarnyjust press double size21:35
KotCzarnyok, bbl21:36
johnxanyways, canola is done and playing music nicely :)21:36
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dennydoes anybody here want a Jaiku invite, before I throw them onto ?22:20
MangoFusionis jaiku any good?22:21
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GeneralAntillesMangoFusion, I think it mostly depends on whether there are any people on there that interest you.22:22
GeneralAntilles(as with most social sites)22:22
MangoFusionhaha yes22:22
crashanddieJaiku: YASW22:22
MangoFusionnot really gotten into the "micro blogging" scene yet22:22
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GeneralAntillesIt's sorta like slow IRC for people who aren't l33t enough for IRC. :P22:24
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GeneralAntillesI can't say it excited me all that much.22:24
MangoFusiondenny: i'll have an invite if you like. gotta try out these things, i think :)22:25
dennyhokay - throw me an email address22:26
MangoFusion jamesu at gmail.com22:26
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dennytis underway22:27
MangoFusionmany thanks22:28
dennyyou're welcome22:28
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fysaI wonder if Canola can be made to work with AirTunes.22:55
blafaselOr with mythtv ;)22:56
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fysaCanola would make a nice whole-house-audio jukebox controller.22:58
fysaif there was a way to get simple audio without having to wire it directly to the stereo system.22:58
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blafaselnas might be a solution for audio, but I want video as well.23:09
blafaselAnd - with a neat (canola?) gui :)23:10
KotCzarnyblafasel, hmm, mmpd ?23:10
KotCzarnyor the client?23:10
KotCzarnyor anything that you can control with a browser :)23:10
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blafaselKotCzarny: Client, on the nokia23:13
blafaselAnd no, please not yet another web gui ;)23:13
KotCzarnyi like web guis23:13
KotCzarnyfor interoperability it's a 100% hit23:13
blafaselI don't. For usability it's a compromise23:14
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KotCzarnygood enough [tm] for me23:14
KotCzarnyi think there's mmpd client too23:14
KotCzarnyMMPC is a frontend for the Music Player Daemon. The player interface got especially designed to be used as a remote control. MMPC is based on gmpc, and thus contains a lot of features.23:15
KotCzarnythough alpha status23:15
blafaselNice anyway, thanks for the hint23:17
blafaselGot my eeePC today, comparing features and usecases ;)23:17
KotCzarnyyou should assume that if there's an app for linux, there is a n8x0's version too23:18
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blafaselKotCzarny: Give me Neverwinter Nights, then ;)23:18
KotCzarnyif not packaged yet, then simple compile will be enough23:18
KotCzarnyblafasel: no problem, but give me 3d drivers first23:18
blafaselActually I'd be satisfied if you could offer me Oracle binaries.. =)23:19
KotCzarnyhow about playing nwn over vnc? ;)23:19
blafaselNa, of course I'm just kidding. I'm happy with both devices (and switched my workstation to linux after quite some month again as well)23:19
KotCzarnythey have a little different uses23:20
KotCzarnyso comparing them isn't quite right23:20
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blafaselWell, that's what I said: I compare features and usecases.23:22
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blafaselNeeds mono to run but should work fine.23:46
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