| qgil | ssvb: however, what about shared responsibility of the HE repository? HE means not official Nokia support, and this provides flexibility for ownership in a way that is more difficult for the officially supported software - just an idea | 00:00 |
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| ssvb | qgil: well, maintainers are usually quite conservative and don't like to change things that work acceptable from their point of view (decision to stick with an old kernel is old kernel is one of the examples) :) | 00:00 |
| qgil | ssvb: open an experimental branch | 00:01 |
| qgil | ssvb: but... what am I doing trying to convince you? :) otoh what would you do if you were Nokia? How would you answer the question you ar asking now? | 00:03 |
| maddler | hey all!!! | 00:04 |
| maddler | qgil: hi, dude! | 00:04 |
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| pupnik | nokia should drop symbian and invest everything in linux :P | 00:06 |
| * pupnik ducks | 00:06 | |
| shackan | get serious :P | 00:06 |
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| * pupnik has no clue about the phone side of the business | 00:07 | |
| qgil | symbian is a good business, you wouldn't drop it if you were Nokia :) | 00:07 |
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| ssvb | qgil: making FIASCO image creation tool available + providing some hosting for experimental community improved images would certainly help to solve a lot of problems with the deployment of community fixes, but that may be too much :) | 00:08 |
| qgil | ssvb: there is a FIASCO creation tool available in the community and, well, hosting itself is not a problem nowadays | 00:09 |
| qgil | ssvb: what you need is relicensing of some packages to make them distributable | 00:10 |
| amr | is the plankton theme only available for the n800? | 00:10 |
| ssvb | qgil: is there a FIASCO creation tool available? or even FIASCO format description? | 00:10 |
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| ssvb | qgil: hosting of an image elsewhere may introduce legal problems | 00:11 |
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| qgil | ssvb: the 'seamless software update' project (allowing updates via deb packages) will help in this relicensing, the distro (if it happens at all) will help in this sense as well | 00:11 |
| ssvb | qgil: I guess you are asking to enter a serial number for downloading images not just for fun | 00:11 |
| qgil | ssvb: for license restrictions | 00:12 |
| amr | anyone? | 00:12 |
| qgil | anyway, too late for an early bird like me - my bed is waiting | 00:13 |
| qgil | thanks for the conversation and the good ideas | 00:13 |
| ssvb | qgil: any idea when this 'seamless software update' project can become available? will it support Nokia 770 too? | 00:13 |
| pupnik | cheers | 00:13 |
| ssvb | ah, sorry, good bye then | 00:14 |
| ssvb | see you later again :) | 00:14 |
| qgil | yeah, let's talk another day about the seamleszzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz | 00:14 |
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| pupnik | ssvb do you think it is practical to do general-purpose optimization on 770/N800 SDL? | 00:16 |
| amr | :| | 00:17 |
| pupnik | i suppose that's a strange question | 00:17 |
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| pupnik | my guess is that these games that do compositing interally at 24/32bpp then use standard SDL are wasting a lot of cpu | 00:18 |
| ssvb | pupnik: maybe DSP core could handle screen updates with automatic 32->16bpp conversion | 00:19 |
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| ssvb | pupnik: there are lots of ideas about what can be improved in the core packages, maybe some of them will work, maybe some will not, but I would better prefer code hacking over taking too much care about packaging and distro maintaining :) | 00:23 |
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| pupnik | yeah i can understand that | 00:23 |
| pupnik | at 320x240 or 400x240 things are good enough as they are in sdl land | 00:24 |
| pupnik | for homebrew games at least | 00:25 |
| pupnik | there might be a couple that run 800x480 which would benefit | 00:25 |
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| pupnik | what i have to do now is integrating things with maemo-games startup, which isn't very interesting | 00:29 |
| pupnik | And then learn more about the gp2x system and the software | 00:29 |
| pupnik | Our emulators are not very good right now | 00:30 |
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| pupnik | The xkbd virtual keyboard can run alongside a 320x240 pixel doubled window with a narrow layout | 00:31 |
| pupnik | but sdl fullscreen apps currently can't get input from it | 00:32 |
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| amr | is the plankton theme only available for the n800? | 00:33 |
| pupnik | themes? | 00:34 |
| _Monkey | themes is, like, http://downloads.maemo.org/other/ for recent Bora themes, http://thememaker.garage.maemo.org/About%20Theme%20Maker.html for the 'Theme Maker' applet, https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-theme-tools/README for tools http://icct.blogspot.com/2006/04/maemo-themes-are-here.html | 00:34 |
| pupnik | i think plankton can work on 770 | 00:35 |
| amr | oh cool thanks | 00:36 |
| amr | i cant find plankton on those links | 00:38 |
| amr | i can find the n800 one on the guys blog | 00:38 |
| ssvb | pupnik: 320x240 (pixel doubled) resolution leaves 160x480 (nondoubled) part of screen at one of the sides, do you plan to use it for virtual keyboard? | 00:39 |
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| amr | im sure ive banned myself from ssh | 00:45 |
| amr | how can i check | 00:45 |
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| pupnik | ssvb yes that works | 00:53 |
| pupnik | i made a keyboard layout for 160width | 00:54 |
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| ssvb | pupnik: that's cool | 00:54 |
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| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/xkbd_game2_xsp.png | 00:55 |
| lardman | evening all | 00:55 |
| straind | kupesoft: | 00:56 |
| straind | dfrggvddfvfvfcfcv | 00:56 |
| pupnik | kupo! | 00:57 |
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| lardman | Anyone familiar with the internals of vorbis? | 00:57 |
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| pupnik | no, have you compiled it for dsp? | 00:58 |
| lardman | not yet, trying to work out how to keep the buffer filled and whether I need to worry about it is ov_read() has an internal buffer anyway | 00:59 |
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| lardman | ov_read() is called with an output buffer and desired size of pcm output data, it calls a fn to read data from somewhere (I can define the function) | 01:00 |
| lardman | just wondering whether I can call the ov_read() part as a callback for a bulk transfer (but probably not), or whether to use shared memory and poll to ensure I have enough data on the DSP side | 01:01 |
| pupnik | yeah | 01:01 |
| lardman | all rather esoteric unless you happen to have read the docs, so don't worry too much :) ;) | 01:01 |
| pupnik | anytime you call the output buffer function, your handler code knows the dsp needs another x milliseconds input? | 01:02 |
| * pupnik is full of horrible ideas | 01:02 | |
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| lardman | for implementing tremor, or random dsp stuff or just random stuff? | 01:03 |
| lardman | Either way, fire away | 01:03 |
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| pupnik | well normally i'd expect the vorbisidec to tell the handler 'i want another X frames now please' | 01:04 |
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| lardman | I think a frame can be an arbitrary size | 01:04 |
| lardman | up to ~1TB | 01:04 |
| lardman | so rather large in theory | 01:04 |
| pupnik | oh | 01:05 |
| pupnik | no point in babbling about it | 01:05 |
| lardman | So my understanding is that you ask it for a given amount of output, and it reads data in and processes it untill it can complete that request (or less than that request) | 01:05 |
| lardman | less presumably if it would need to start decoding another portion, etc. | 01:06 |
| pupnik | *my babbling | 01:06 |
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| pupnik | ok | 01:06 |
| lardman | The problem for me is that the input (compressed) data can be arbitrarily large, and I need to define a buffer at compile time | 01:06 |
| lardman | pupnik: Babbling is good, helps with ideas | 01:06 |
| pupnik | what about two input buffers? | 01:07 |
| pupnik | it reads from one, you write to the next one | 01:07 |
| pupnik | data always available | 01:07 |
| lardman | ah, there's another caveat | 01:07 |
| straind | lardman: Did my son's babbling help with any ideas? | 01:07 |
| lardman | straind: I thought he's struck again! | 01:07 |
| lardman | straind: yep, thank him for me with the following: "ndisnldaihda;fosajf" | 01:08 |
| straind | He's sure to get more out of than than anyone else. BBL. Switching desktops so he won't do it again... | 01:08 |
| lardman | The caveat being that I'd prefer to keep the code intact rather than pulling out and implementing each of the 'page' decompression steps | 01:09 |
| lardman | and that means that the ov_read() call has to return | 01:09 |
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| lardman | In the dspgateway, to obtain data from ARM, you generally make a call to ask for it, then return, and a callback funtion is run when the data is ready | 01:09 |
| lardman | this isn't going to work with ov | 01:10 |
| lardman | _read | 01:10 |
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| edt | any ideas on why the application installer does not get started when I click on a .deb file from the garage? | 01:10 |
| pupnik | why not lardman? | 01:10 |
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| straind | Perhaps I should recruit my son to help me with this bluetooth thing as he randomly presses the keys. | 01:11 |
| pupnik | ov_read() is not returning? | 01:11 |
| lardman | ov_read() must return the data in a buffer, but to obtain data from the ARM side I have to request the data, then let the function return so that my callback can be called | 01:12 |
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| Luria | sitting at my ham test, waiting ... | 01:12 |
| lardman | honey glazed? | 01:13 |
| edt | I have run: update-mime-database /usr/share/mime, osso-update-category-database /usr/share/mime & update-desktop-database to try to fix the problem... | 01:13 |
| straind | Virginia ham? | 01:13 |
| Luria | radio kind | 01:13 |
| lardman | well you might still be glazed then :) | 01:13 |
| pupnik | what happens edt? do you get prompted to download the .deb? | 01:14 |
| Luria | not as tasty, but much more geektastic | 01:14 |
| edt | pupnik yes. stranger still if I go to www.mulliner.org and try the .deb files there they work. I am begining to suspect its a garage problem... | 01:15 |
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| lardman | pupnik: There is a possible, nice way around the problem, in ov_read(), block (semaphore) until enough data is available in a local buffer, and while blocked a lowe priority task can run and fill the buffer | 01:15 |
| lardman | pupnik: I'm not sure I can transfer data between tasks though | 01:16 |
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| edt | garage uses https and mulliner uses http. On mulliner its reconized as application/x-debian-package, on garage the type is unknown. | 01:17 |
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| edt | the garage package was/is the 1.60 version of UKMP | 01:17 |
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| pupnik | looks like you've hit upon an issue that affects many people edt | 01:18 |
| pupnik | is this a new problem | 01:18 |
| edt | I have install from the garage many times. Just got back from vacation and now the garage installs fail to work... | 01:19 |
| derf | lardman: You shouldn't need threads or tasks or whatever to decode data. | 01:19 |
| derf | What exactly is the problem you're trying to solve? | 01:19 |
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| lardman | derf: To interface with the DSP kernel I must use at least one task | 01:20 |
| lardman | derf: Tremor (vorbis) on the DSP in the n800 | 01:21 |
| derf | Yes, I know _that_ much. | 01:21 |
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| lardman | sorry | 01:21 |
| lardman | do you know anything about vorbis, and how it's functions work? | 01:21 |
| lardman | My main issue is that a frame of data is arbitrarily sized (so I understand) so to implement a callback on the DSP side that reads some amount of data and then retutns PCM data... | 01:22 |
| derf | Absolutely I do. | 01:22 |
| lardman | won't necessarily work, as I may not get enough data (or I may get too much) | 01:22 |
| derf | "Frames" are not arbitrarily sized. | 01:22 |
| lardman | vorbis 'frames' rather than ogg ones? | 01:23 |
| derf | Ogg doesn't know anything about frames. | 01:23 |
| lardman | but it has pages of some size, wanted to make sure that's not what we're talking about | 01:23 |
| derf | Ogg has pages. Pages store compressed packets. Packets decode into uncompressed blocks. Blocks contain many frames, where a frame contains one (1) sample from each channel. | 01:24 |
| derf | At least using the Vorbis documentation's terminology. | 01:24 |
| lardman | Okay, so I ideally want to read the data for a packet and decompress it | 01:24 |
| derf | I will assume you meant "blocks". | 01:24 |
| lardman | okay | 01:24 |
| lardman | sorry about my poor terminology | 01:25 |
| derf | No, it's no problem. | 01:25 |
| derf | Anyway... | 01:25 |
| pupnik | reading that, i'd think you'd be fetching packets | 01:25 |
| lardman | So I need to read packets, then decompress them, etc | 01:25 |
| edt | using wget shows: | 01:25 |
| edt | WARNING: Certificate verification error for garage.maemo.org: unable to get local issuer certificate | 01:25 |
| derf | You are using vorbisfile, correct? | 01:26 |
| edt | could this be an issue triggering the garage error? | 01:26 |
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| derf | Since you're using ov_read. | 01:26 |
| pupnik | edt - i assume so, and i assume the garage maintainer must know about it | 01:26 |
| lardman | derf: I was basing on the lowmem-no-byte branch of Tremor | 01:26 |
| derf | vorbisfile will handle reading the pages, parsing out the packets, and decompressing the blocks. | 01:26 |
| lardman | ah, but there is the problem | 01:27 |
| edt | would you know if a bug has been filed? If not I will open one - its the only way to be sure the maintainer really does know. | 01:27 |
| lardman | derf: I need to pass data to the DSP, where ov_read will be running | 01:27 |
| lardman | derf: Therefore I need to either know how much to pass, or to be able to let the code ask for arbitrary amounts of data from the ARM | 01:27 |
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| derf | Are you really running all of ov_read on the DSP? | 01:28 |
| lardman | derf: My goal here is to get all of the code running on the DSP, then think about splitting it across both the ARM and DSP | 01:28 |
| lardman | so the answer is not yet, but that looks like the easiest way to see if it works | 01:29 |
| derf | Well, the way ov_read currently works is, it buffers the available from one packet's worth of data. | 01:29 |
| derf | If you ask for data and it has none, it will decode one packet, and then return you data from that packet up to the amount you asked for. | 01:30 |
| lardman | yep | 01:30 |
| lardman | does it read in exactly one packet's worth of data from file/callback fn | 01:30 |
| derf | If it had some data left over from the last packet, it returns that. | 01:31 |
| derf | lardman: It reads exactly enough pages to be able to decode one additional packet. | 01:31 |
| derf | If you ask for more data than is immediately availble (from the previous packet, or from the just decoded packet if it didn't have any left over from the previous packet), it returns what was available, and no more. | 01:32 |
| lardman | ah, okay, that's good | 01:32 |
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| lardman | so I could set my buffer size to be large enough to hold the pages to decode one packet | 01:33 |
| lardman | assuming I can know that at compile time? | 01:33 |
| derf | Buffer for which direction, compressed data to the DSP, or uncompressed data back? | 01:33 |
| lardman | compressed to DSP, the other way doesn't matter too much | 01:33 |
| lardman | as I can just keep calling ov_read to get rid of it | 01:34 |
| lardman | I think... | 01:34 |
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| derf | Well, technically the size of the compressed packets is in fact unbounded. | 01:34 |
| lardman | yeah, that was my worry | 01:34 |
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| derf | At least from the Ogg level. | 01:35 |
| derf | There may be a Vorbis-specific maximum. | 01:35 |
| derf | The size of a page is limited to just under 64K. | 01:35 |
| lardman | I couldn't find one mentioned, though it must be possible to calculate at runtime | 01:36 |
| derf | But a packet can span multiple pages. | 01:36 |
| derf | Let's see what the DirectShow filters use, since they also require fixed-size buffers... | 01:37 |
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| lardman | they have more memory to play with than I do | 01:38 |
| lardman | from what I read on the ml, ~0.5Mb is reckoned to be enough | 01:38 |
| derf | That's true. What neighborhood are you looking for? | 01:38 |
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| lardman | Not sure to tell the truth, my total memory is something like 64kb | 01:39 |
| lardman | but that is shared by the kernel too | 01:39 |
| derf | The buffer comes out of that? | 01:39 |
| lardman | If I memory map, I think I can access up to 16Mb, which would be enough | 01:39 |
| lardman | Yes, that's my understanding of it | 01:39 |
| derf | You're probably going to have to memory map, then. | 01:39 |
| lardman | DSP kernel, not Linux kernel | 01:39 |
| derf | Yes, I realize that. | 01:40 |
| derf | A single Ogg page is allowed to be almost 64KB by itself. | 01:40 |
| derf | And a packet can certainly span 2 pages. | 01:40 |
| derf | Regardless of the packet's actual size. | 01:40 |
| lardman | I think it may turn out to be easier to pick apart the Tremor code and only run part of it on the DSP | 01:40 |
| derf | That was my thought as well. | 01:41 |
| lardman | I'd just hoped I could get some test code running quickly | 01:41 |
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| derf | I'm not sure you can do anything with 64K quickly. | 01:41 |
| lardman | :) | 01:42 |
| lardman | It looks like the code I need to target is localised in dsp.c | 01:42 |
| lardman | though decompression of the tables, etc., ought to be done on the DSP too | 01:43 |
| lardman | as they will only be needed there | 01:43 |
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| derf | Hmm, it had been so long since I updated my copy I didn't even have a dsp.c. | 01:44 |
| derf | I wonder when that got added. | 01:44 |
| derf | Oh, in June. | 01:44 |
| lardman | it contains vorbis_dsp_pcmout called from ov_read | 01:45 |
| lardman | which I guess does the work | 01:45 |
| lardman | what is vf->vd ? | 01:46 |
| * lardman searches for vf definition | 01:46 | |
| derf | vorbisfile's Vorbis decoder. | 01:46 |
| lardman | ah, so it contains the tables, etc. | 01:46 |
| derf | vorbis_dsp_state. | 01:46 |
| derf | Yes. | 01:47 |
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| derf | Anyway, dsp.c is really just the high-level driver. | 01:47 |
| lardman | hmm, dsp.c has a lot of calls into libogg, which is inconvenient | 01:47 |
| derf | Well, libogg also contains the bitpacker, needed to read the bits from the packet. | 01:48 |
| lardman | that can be done on the ARM side before the buffer is passed to the DSP | 01:49 |
| lardman | it's just where to make the split really | 01:49 |
| lardman | need to do more reading | 01:49 |
| derf | I mean, the part that pulls out individual bits, not bytes. | 01:49 |
| lardman | ah | 01:50 |
| derf | Something else to worry about later (when you're not just trying to get something running quickly), is if the codebooks will even fit in 64k. | 01:54 |
| lardman | yeah | 01:54 |
| derf | I'm pretty sure all the ones produced by the reference encoder will. | 01:54 |
| lardman | just wondering if I'd be better off just implementing the mdct_unroll_lap() fn on the DSP | 01:54 |
| Darksmurf | so..I just got my tablet. I was trying to add 'Http://repository.maemo.org/' as a repository (thats where osso-xterm is supposed to be I thought) and it failed. I had to add /extras to the end. Is that the way its supposed to be, or is there something I'm missing? | 01:56 |
| derf | I would think you'd want mdct_backward also. | 01:56 |
| derf | As that's really the bulk of the work, IIRC. | 01:56 |
| lardman | yep, didn't see where that was called from | 01:56 |
| derf | From mapping0.c | 01:57 |
| derf | vorbis_dsp_synthesis to mapping_inverse to mdct_backward. | 01:57 |
| lardman | right, got it | 01:58 |
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| lardman | looking at _fetch_and_process_packet(), I need to encapsulate all of the dsp functions and whatever they call | 02:01 |
| lardman | dsp even | 02:02 |
| lardman | argh, markup | 02:02 |
| Darksmurf | whats better, dropbear or openssh on the 770? | 02:02 |
| lardman | Darksmurf: dropbear only ever used to do scp, not sftp | 02:03 |
| Darksmurf | thanks | 02:03 |
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| derf | lardman: Are you going to be releasing source for this at some point? | 02:06 |
| lardman | of course | 02:06 |
| Luria | well, i'm i licenced technician ham. | 02:06 |
| Luria | not to be confused with a ham technician | 02:07 |
| derf | I may try to do something similar for Theora at some point, but I don't actually know anything about the N800's DSP. | 02:07 |
| lardman | well I can help with that, though I've only learned as I've gone along | 02:08 |
| lardman | an interesting pass-time | 02:08 |
| derf | Well, having a working example to cheat from is a big help. | 02:08 |
| lardman | theora is slightly more difficult, because the n800 doesn't do direct framebuffer access from the DSP anymore | 02:09 |
| lardman | I don;t know why | 02:09 |
| derf | Hardware scaling issues, maybe? | 02:09 |
| Luria | a working example to cheat from is called scientific progress. | 02:09 |
| lardman | with that said, there is no info about doing direct audio codec out either, but hopefully when a couple of codecs turn up (kulve is working on Speex) then Nokia will see the light | 02:09 |
| lardman | derf: Not sure, but it's possible to map the framebuffer according to the docs, like the 770 did | 02:10 |
| lardman | Luria: Exactly :) | 02:10 |
| derf | I've met a couple of the Nokia multimedia guys if you want me to try to ping them for help. | 02:11 |
| lardman | I was sent some source for Tremor on the C55 by a chap from Fluendo, but thought I'd start out by learning the hard way | 02:12 |
| lardman | Plus the code I was sent was not directly implementable, if that makes sense | 02:12 |
| derf | I meant help with info about doing direct audio out. | 02:12 |
| lardman | But yes, if you can ask nicely for some headers/example code for audio out that would be very useful | 02:13 |
| lardman | I have a bug for it, let me find the number | 02:13 |
| pupnik | i have 5 games that use ogg | 02:13 |
| derf | If you give me an e-mail address, I'll cc you. | 02:13 |
| lardman | derf: s dot g dot pickering at bath dot ac dot uk | 02:14 |
| lardman | pupnik: The more the merrier | 02:14 |
| lardman | derf: Can the packet size be calculated at runtime? | 02:15 |
| lardman | derf: and is it constant for all packets (I fear not)? | 02:15 |
| derf | You mean the maximum packet size? | 02:15 |
| lardman | well more for a given file | 02:15 |
| derf | Right... in theory it would depend on the codebooks. | 02:16 |
| lardman | so I can tell the ARM how much memory to reserve | 02:16 |
| derf | But I suspect it will not be much different from your "half a meg" estimate. | 02:16 |
| lardman | The codebooks are large, but they only appear once don;t they? | 02:16 |
| lardman | in the header? | 02:16 |
| Luria | speaking of which - are there any in/out splitters for the noika 3.5mm jack? | 02:16 |
| derf | lardman: Yes, the codebooks only appear once. | 02:17 |
| derf | But I mean, if the VQ codebook has a 32-bit entry in it, presumably you could have a packet stuffed with those. | 02:17 |
| lardman | derf: But I should be able to work out how large it will be to pass over, and say no if it's too big | 02:18 |
| lardman | pass over to the DSP that is | 02:18 |
| derf | You can calculate the actual packet size from the data in the pages. | 02:18 |
| lardman | But does that mean I need to scan the whole file before I can allocate memory, or is it in the header? | 02:18 |
| derf | It's different for every packet. | 02:19 |
| lardman | hmm | 02:19 |
| lardman | I now understand the talk on the mailing list about defining limits to the sizes | 02:19 |
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| derf | Yeah, the spec is fairly unbounded. | 02:19 |
| lardman | not the end of the world though, I can scan the file as I'm only writing some test code | 02:20 |
| derf | We had a similar problem when spec'ing out Theora: we weren't hardware people, and we had real trouble finding any who would give us input as to what reasonable limits would be. | 02:21 |
| lardman | I suppose what one could do is see what common encoders produce, and see if there are any complaints about the decoder failing | 02:22 |
| derf | For Vorbis I believe that's what most people do. | 02:22 |
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| derf | I think Monty also has some specially designed test files. | 02:22 |
| telexl | hi folks. I'm having some trouble with my Bluetooth keyboard on the N800 - is this the right place to get help about such things? | 02:23 |
| lardman | telexl: yes, ask away and see if anyone can help | 02:23 |
| telexl | lardman: thanks. I'll ask. It's a bit technical. | 02:24 |
| Darksmurf | is there a way to enable hostusb w/o the flasher? | 02:24 |
| telexl | My bluetooth keyboard is a Nokia SU-8W. It's supported, but the keymap is incomplete: when I press the '/" key, I get a blank key and the doublequote doesn't work at all. | 02:24 |
| telexl | I was wondering if I could fix it and where hwkbd stores its configs. | 02:25 |
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| lardman | derf: hmm, looks like I need to define the mmap and/or buffer sizes at compile time for the DSP | 02:26 |
| lardman | derf: so I'll try the 'most common sizes' approach | 02:26 |
| lardman | telexl: You trawled through the mailing list archive? | 02:27 |
| lardman | derf: Then implement the dsp functions on the DSP - the ogg_bitpack stuff looks reasonable | 02:27 |
| telexl | lardman: no - I Googled for an answer and found the IRC logs for this channel. Someone mentioned xmodmap. | 02:27 |
| telexl | lardman: I'm not sure where to look for help on these things - Nokia or Maemo.org? | 02:28 |
| lardman | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/ | 02:28 |
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| jjazz | telexl: What's wrong with using xmodmap? | 02:28 |
| telexl | jjazz: Nothing - I don't have it though, or can't find it. | 02:28 |
| jjazz | telexl: I packaged it. I can email it to you. | 02:28 |
| * lardman takes a step back as he knows nothing about BT keyboards | 02:28 | |
| telexl | jjazz: thanks! brooknet (at) imap (dot) cc is my address. | 02:29 |
| derf | Keyboard config is usually in /usr/share/X11/xkb | 02:29 |
| derf | Not sure about on the N800. | 02:29 |
| telexl | derf: Thanks. I'm logged in now and am looking at that dir. | 02:29 |
| lardman | Also try /etc/X11/ | 02:30 |
| lardman | at least on the Zaurus it used to live somewhere under /etc | 02:30 |
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| telexl | Great, this makes sense. | 02:31 |
| lardman | derf: Thanks for your help, bed time | 02:31 |
| lardman | Night all | 02:31 |
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| telexl | jjazz: don't suppose you have xev too? | 02:32 |
| jjazz | telexl: Of course. | 02:32 |
| jjazz | I'll send it with xmodmap | 02:32 |
| telexl | jjazz: thank you kindly - that'd be very helpful. | 02:32 |
| telexl | My name's Lex, by the way. | 02:33 |
| jjazz | telexl: Sent them to you. | 02:33 |
| jjazz | Mine's james. | 02:34 |
| telexl | jjazz: Ta. I can do this all remotely.. cool | 02:34 |
| jjazz | I should really set up a repository for the maemo packages I build. | 02:35 |
| erstazi | jjazz: for what maemo do you package for? | 02:35 |
| jjazz | erstazi: n800 | 02:35 |
| erstazi | jjazz: ah, OS2007, well, I am looking at packaging PocketSphinx for both OS2006 and OS2007 | 02:36 |
| erstazi | I think that is something that no one else has done yet | 02:36 |
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| erstazi | which is speech to text... | 02:36 |
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| jjazz | erstazi: You realize that Sphinx isn't a full speech to text engine, right? | 02:37 |
| erstazi | jjazz: yes | 02:37 |
| erstazi | jjazz: but to get a full speech to text engine that is open source is hard to find | 02:37 |
| jjazz | erstazi: ok. I spent a lot of time at the cross section of linux and speech recognition and it's... depressing. | 02:37 |
| erstazi | I realize the limitations, especially the part about different languages and dialects | 02:38 |
| telexl | jjazz and everyone, thanks for your help. I'm off now to answer mails and have some lunch. | 02:38 |
| erstazi | jjazz: yes, I realize that, and I feel the same | 02:38 |
| jjazz | telexl: Have fun. | 02:38 |
| telexl | thanks! bye | 02:38 |
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| erstazi | it is depressing, I think the first step is to promote the ones that are attempting speech to text | 02:38 |
| jjazz | erstazi: Sphinx for some simple voice command stuff would be very cool. | 02:38 |
| erstazi | yes exactly | 02:38 |
| erstazi | thats what I was aiming for | 02:38 |
| jjazz | Speaking of packaging things, has anybody packaged tomboy? I couldn't quite get the mono build environment working in scratchbox. | 02:39 |
| erstazi | jjazz: but before I attempt pocketsphinx, I want to understand hildonizing more heh, which is relearning gnome again | 02:39 |
| jjazz | erstazi: I don't claim to know anything about hildonizing apps. | 02:40 |
| erstazi | jjazz: not saying that you do, I just need to read up more | 02:40 |
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| dougb | hi, i was wondering if there is a pptp application for the n800? | 02:41 |
| jjazz | I looked at it briefly. There are some apps I might have a go at, but I've only had the device a few weeks, so for now I'm still soaking it in. | 02:41 |
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| erstazi | jjazz: thats good, the maemo dev community is very active | 02:42 |
| erstazi | the maemo community as a whole is a great community | 02:42 |
| erstazi | I have been part of other *nix communities and usually there is too much infighting that nothing gets done | 02:42 |
| jjazz | erstazi: Yeah, seems like there's a lot of good work being done. It would be nice if we had a central repository for unofficial debs. I'm sort of hoping one emerges. | 02:43 |
| erstazi | but what I have found is, people who usually have a tablet are business orientated | 02:43 |
| erstazi | jjazz: well, I understand that and agree... | 02:43 |
| erstazi | I wish a lot of packages could be merged into extras with the maemo repo | 02:44 |
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| jjazz | erstazi: I can understand why Nokia doesn't want to host all those packages. What's needed is a third-party host that's generally trusted, has some procedures in place for vetting package maintainers, etc. | 02:45 |
| erstazi | jjazz: I think thats what maemo.org is for | 02:45 |
| jjazz | erstazi: Are they vetting packages in any way at maemo.org? | 02:46 |
| erstazi | jjazz: and nokia supports maemo... but people who put up their own repos probably found the issue probably of including into the repos of maemo | 02:46 |
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| erstazi | jjazz: some are | 02:46 |
| jjazz | erstazi: I didn't realize. | 02:46 |
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| erstazi | jjazz: yeah, it goes through a process | 02:48 |
| erstazi | jjazz: let me grab my info first before speaking on it | 02:48 |
| jjazz | s'ok. I can go read the maemo.org website. | 02:49 |
| erstazi | basically, for applications that are still in development and not yet end-user ready they go to ApplicationCatalogWip. | 02:49 |
| erstazi | some are planned and then there is a wishlist also | 02:50 |
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| erstazi | jjazz: for project hosting use the Garage | 02:50 |
| erstazi | (garage.maemo.org) | 02:50 |
| jjazz | erstazi: Ah. I see garage projects can be included in the extras repo at their invitation. | 02:54 |
| jjazz | So it's not as bleak as I thought. But still, the repository lacks too many apps. | 02:55 |
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| erstazi | jjazz: well some apps would be too complex to port | 02:58 |
| erstazi | mainly because they would consume too much power or ram | 02:58 |
| erstazi | or space | 02:58 |
| erstazi | like I was surprised to see vncviewer as a working app | 02:58 |
| erstazi | I use it sometimes to play games on my windows box (I primarily use Linux everything but games) | 02:59 |
| erstazi | but I use vncviewer and rdesktop a lot with my work | 02:59 |
| pupnik | ncxlient would be a fun project | 02:59 |
| erstazi | and it surprises me that they are both working applications | 02:59 |
| erstazi | nxclient? | 02:59 |
| pupnik | freenx | 02:59 |
| erstazi | oh yeah | 03:00 |
| erstazi | I use that as well | 03:00 |
| pupnik | has it been ported? | 03:00 |
| erstazi | not that I know of | 03:00 |
| erstazi | but it could have been | 03:00 |
| erstazi | there are people who port that do not join on IRC | 03:00 |
| erstazi | and are not on the mailing list or a member of garage on maemo | 03:00 |
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| erstazi | I know of some bloggers that post about their ports | 03:01 |
| erstazi | pupnik: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78 | 03:01 |
| erstazi | I am supposing that its a bug, then yes | 03:01 |
| erstazi | nevermind | 03:02 |
| erstazi | thats using nxclient on a linux pc | 03:03 |
| erstazi | Fabian was the one who reported the bug | 03:03 |
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| pupnik | i am forcing myself to not look into this | 03:09 |
| pupnik | see the maemo-developers list in google... some info there | 03:10 |
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| zuccone | anyone using bdb on maemo? | 03:17 |
| dougb | does anyone know if they carry the n800 at fry's electronic? | 03:17 |
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| pupnik | fry's employees | 03:23 |
| tchan | alternatively you could just do a search at frys.com where it appears they do not carry the n800 | 03:24 |
| pupnik | to be precise the answer to "does anyone know..." is always yes, no or maybe :) | 03:29 |
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| dougb | is it possible to connect to a network that requires a static IP address? | 03:31 |
| dougb | i want to get all of my questions answered before i go buy one after work haha | 03:31 |
| pupnik | yes | 03:31 |
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| dougb | ok cool, i have to connect to a static IP and DNS server | 03:31 |
| dougb | i used to work at fry's and we sold the 770, but i haven't bothered looking since the n800 came out :-/ | 03:33 |
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| pupnik | the only advice I can give about buying is to get one from an authorized reseller | 03:35 |
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| pupnik | application request: badger-mushroom bootloader | 04:07 |
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| wnt5 | What's the best way to use youtube with n800? | 04:12 |
| pupnik | uktube i think | 04:12 |
| wnt5 | thanks. second, is there any recent progress on video with skype? | 04:14 |
| pupnik | i don't know | 04:14 |
| wnt5 | maybe it would be possible to use gstreamer to send video to a skype server PC | 04:15 |
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| pupnik | where does skype come from? who tracks call connections? | 04:18 |
| wnt5 | just got the n800 and impressed by the capabilities, but it would be so nice to fix these issues :D | 04:18 |
| pupnik | i think uktube is robust - otherwise you can download youtube videos with the python script youtube-dl | 04:19 |
| wnt5 | well, what i was thinking of was an interface between google video talk, which the n800 does, and skype | 04:21 |
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| Luria | hey all | 04:22 |
| pupnik | what's new Luria? | 04:23 |
| Luria | nothing, finally took that ham test. | 04:23 |
| Luria | now i can play with transceivers | 04:24 |
| Darksmurf | Luria whats your call? de kd5uzz | 04:24 |
| Luria | and figure out a way to exploit my nokia w/respect to that | 04:24 |
| Luria | just have a csce | 04:24 |
| Darksmurf | ah | 04:24 |
| Luria | i only took it 3 hours ago | 04:24 |
| Darksmurf | well..good job! | 04:25 |
| Luria | it was silly, i should have gone for more than technician | 04:25 |
| Luria | i finished the test in 5 minutes | 04:25 |
| Darksmurf | there is a yahoo group: hildonham where they are talking about APRS + n800 | 04:25 |
| Luria | i want to find a splitter for the mic jack | 04:25 |
| Darksmurf | Luria usually you can take the gen as long as you passed the tech..no extra charge | 04:26 |
| Luria | it would be nice to make a cw transcriber | 04:26 |
| Luria | i know, but i hadnt opened the material. the physics/ee stuff isnt usually problematic, but i dont know the extra regulatory stuff | 04:26 |
| Luria | ill try for gen/extra in one sitting in a month or two | 04:26 |
| Darksmurf | Luria well, you got your csce and I got my 770... bonus for both of us :-) | 04:27 |
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| Luria | well, since i already had an frn, i expect the registration to be quick | 04:27 |
| wnt5 | has anyone had experience with video calling on n800? | 04:27 |
| Luria | wnt5, yes. specific question? | 04:27 |
| Darksmurf | how can I tell what version of IT2006 I have? | 04:28 |
| Luria | i think its in the control panel | 04:28 |
| wnt5 | Luria, do regular desktop PC' | 04:28 |
| wnt5 | Luria, do regular desktop PC's support the video call software? | 04:28 |
| wnt5 | (gtalk or whatever it is) | 04:29 |
| Luria | not anymore - there was a beta that was discontinued. | 04:29 |
| Luria | Darksmurf, control panel/about product | 04:30 |
| wnt5 | okay, is there anything else that would do something like that? | 04:30 |
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| Luria | as for 3rd party stuff, i dunno | 04:30 |
| wnt5 | i found a project that uses gstreamer to stream video on a quicktime server | 04:30 |
| Darksmurf | Luria thanks | 04:31 |
| wnt5 | so the challenge would be getting this to talk to a regular video/voip client | 04:31 |
| Luria | Darksmurf, what license do you have? | 04:32 |
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| Pio | anyone know how to make gnugo not take so damned long to make a move? | 04:40 |
| Pio | i can never play a game vs. cpu in cgoban because every move takes like 2 minutes | 04:40 |
| Darksmurf | cool, my fresh from the box 770 already has the latest version of OS2006 on it. | 04:40 |
| Luria | yeah, they usually do these days | 04:41 |
| Pio | we got a new one about a month ago and it was .39 | 04:41 |
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| Darksmurf | how do I get the thumb keyboard to show up? | 04:42 |
| Luria | typically, hit the center of the dpad when the vkb is up | 04:43 |
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| Luria | or, use a wider amount of thumb when clicking on a text field | 04:43 |
| Luria | are there any "standard" (i.e. orderable from 3rd parties like radio shack or real suplly houses) in/out splitters for the nokia 3.5mm jack? | 04:43 |
| Darksmurf | Luria radioshack has them for ~$8 | 04:44 |
| Luria | like the 4 ring jack? | 04:44 |
| Luria | i mean the whole thing? | 04:44 |
| Luria | so there is hope to make an automatic CW program? | 04:45 |
| Darksmurf | does the n800 use a 4 conductor connector? | 04:45 |
| Darksmurf | or the 770? | 04:45 |
| _Monkey | i guess the 770 is running OS 2006. And that you can upgrade to 2007. Is it worth the trouble? | 04:45 |
| Luria | yes | 04:45 |
| Luria | its an extended mini jack | 04:45 |
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| Darksmurf | hmm..I didn't know that. I thought they were both standard 3.5mm. RS sells a 4 conductor to headphone adaptor..I can't remember if the a 4 conductor 3.5 or 2.5. And I doubt all 4 wires are sent to the 3.5 stereo send. | 04:46 |
| Luria | finding a replacement hk-48 (iirc thats the model number) is a PITA | 04:47 |
| Luria | (err, the headset model number) | 04:47 |
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| Luria | dont lose it | 04:47 |
| Luria | the flagship nokia store in nyc doesnt even have an sku for it | 04:48 |
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| Darksmurf | does the thumb kb work inm opera? | 04:49 |
| Luria | yes, but it will obscure the page | 04:49 |
| Darksmurf | I got it to come up in the control panel Time and Date app. but not in opera | 04:49 |
| Luria | that's odd... but i dont have a 770 (yet), only an n800 | 04:50 |
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| Luria | anyone tried using something like this on an n800? | 05:21 |
| Luria | http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=29686&doy=21m8&C=SO&U=strat15 | 05:21 |
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| Darksmurf | When I use the flasher to enable usb host mode on the 770 am I going to loose any data/installed apps? | 05:25 |
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| Blacksitox | bye | 06:38 |
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| dougb | I think my n800 fried my SD card. I can't format it and it only recognizes 256MB of 1GB :\ | 07:36 |
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| Artemisprime | Hello | 07:42 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all | 09:35 |
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| forcev_mobile | could someone confirm if sd cards of 4gb and above have to be sdhc or is it just those over 4gb? | 09:46 |
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| Luria | forcev_mobile, 4gbs are available in sdhc and not sdhc. its hit and miss as to whether the non sdhc work; you should check itt. | 09:57 |
| Luria | as for anything 8gb and higher, they are all pretty much in sdhc spec | 09:58 |
| Luria | still, its best to 1)buy only sdhc marked cards 2)check if there is feedback on itt | 09:58 |
| forcev_mobile | Luria, thanks i always forget about itt | 10:00 |
| Luria | np | 10:01 |
| forcev_mobile | im not the best with forums | 10:01 |
| Luria | i was thinking about it a couple of weeks ago | 10:01 |
| Luria | nearly all the sdhc 8gbs work, but there were one or two horror stories | 10:01 |
| Luria | errr, storys | 10:01 |
| Luria | gah | 10:01 |
| Luria | its 3am, what do you expect :-) | 10:02 |
| forcev_mobile | well i bought an 8gb transcend and it lasted 2 weeks :( | 10:02 |
| forcev_mobile | i now have a tiny brick | 10:03 |
| Luria | a bricklet | 10:06 |
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| Luria | sorry, im hunting radios | 10:06 |
| Luria | to use with my new license | 10:07 |
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| Luria | funny... after all that | 10:14 |
| Luria | i think im getting the radio in the pic on the homepage of hildonham | 10:15 |
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| guardian | morning maemo | 10:17 |
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| forcev_mobile | morning guardian | 10:32 |
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| maddler | morning all | 10:52 |
| forcev_mobile | morning | 10:54 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 10:54 |
| forcev_mobile | anyone having issues with installing canola? | 10:55 |
| forcev_mobile | im getting the following issue http://www.slexy.org/paste/4420 | 10:55 |
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| matmo | morning all | 10:56 |
| rik | CORRECT. | 10:56 |
| * rik sticks a gold star on matmo | 10:56 | |
| matmo | rik: thanks, but I'm not sure why | 10:57 |
| matmo | who in the community is sh*t hot on maemo hacking? | 10:57 |
| rik | you got the first thing right in here today. since i joined. | 10:57 |
| rik | forcev_mobile: ME! ME! I got that yesterday! but more importantly I KNOW HOW TO FIX IT! | 10:58 |
| matmo | ah well, wouldn't know since I just joined ;-) | 10:58 |
| matmo | I'm looking for someone who I can convince to "fix" the Squeak VM to be usuable on maemo. It runs but there are several issues that need resolving. | 11:00 |
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| rik | forcev_mobile: sudo gainroot, then touch /etc/shadow ; chmod 600 /etc/shadow . that'll fix it for you. | 11:01 |
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| rik | matmo: i don't even know what that is. | 11:01 |
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| forcev_mobile | rik thanks | 11:01 |
| rik | you're welcome | 11:01 |
| rik | why we have shadow passwords that aren't on, i don't know. | 11:01 |
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| matmo | Squeak is a popular smalltalk (http://www.squeak.org) | 11:02 |
| matmo | if you know it... and "get it"... then you want it | 11:02 |
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| forcev_mobile | rik: when i try the first part i get 'Enable RD mode if you want to break your device' | 11:03 |
| rik | aha | 11:03 |
| rik | have you installed the becomeroot package? | 11:04 |
| * forcev_mobile bangs head with frying time | 11:04 | |
| forcev_mobile | next time the pan will be hot | 11:05 |
| rik | heh | 11:05 |
| rik | okay | 11:05 |
| rik | now you also ened to remember | 11:05 |
| rik | as soon as the canola install is successful - REBOOT. | 11:05 |
| rik | seriously. it took me ages to figure that one out. | 11:05 |
| rik | i know it says on the documentation, bt mos tof my tmie was spent trying ot reinstall stuff, because of the complete lack of instructions i ofund. | 11:06 |
| forcev_mobile | really? | 11:06 |
| rik | yeah. | 11:06 |
| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:06 |
| rik | acutally. before you get it all installed. | 11:06 |
| rik | have you installed gstreamer? | 11:06 |
| rik | you need gstreamer installed before canola. | 11:06 |
| forcev_mobile | yeah, and most of the plugins | 11:07 |
| rik | okay | 11:07 |
| rik | then go ahead. | 11:07 |
| rik | i wish canola used mplayer isntead. maybe it wouldn't suck then :( | 11:07 |
| rik | alas, mplayer does a far better job on my N800. i'm wondering whether to do a ncier frontend for mplayer, which is of course, open source, and therefore i can, or to hope that canola switches to using mplayer. | 11:08 |
| rik | i suspect i'll end up using both anyway. | 11:08 |
| rik | :) | 11:08 |
| forcev_mobile | i cant get ukmp to work either | 11:08 |
| matmo | I like Squeak for throwing UI's together | 11:09 |
| forcev_mobile | currently using kagu, but it is audio only | 11:09 |
| cosmo | reasking: i'm trying to install maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_3.2 to scratchbox, but apt-get update ignores the local repository for some reason. any ideas? | 11:09 |
| timeless | oh right, someone a while ago indicated getting a certificate was expensive | 11:11 |
| timeless | StartCom offers free certs | 11:11 |
| forcev_mobile | rik: thanks for the help | 11:13 |
| forcev_mobile | gotta reboot now | 11:13 |
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| keesj | Hi | 11:33 |
| timeless | keesj: i don't suppose you were the person who needed a cert but didn't want to buy one? :) | 11:35 |
| Luria | hey timeless | 11:36 |
| _Monkey | somebody said timeless was a browser developer working for nokia on the maemo browser (microb). also a mozilla contributor | 11:36 |
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| Luria | _Monkey, you dolt! | 11:36 |
| _Monkey | Luria: excuse me? | 11:36 |
| timeless | hey | 11:36 |
| timeless | ignore the bot ;-) | 11:36 |
| * timeless considers switch "timeless is" to "contact timeless is" | 11:37 | |
| timeless | or maybe "timeless really is" ? | 11:37 |
| timeless | _monkey forget timeless | 11:37 |
| _Monkey | timeless: I forgot timeless | 11:37 |
| Luria | you saw what i was talking about? i couldn't stay up any later last night | 11:37 |
| timeless | timeless really is a browser developer working for nokia on the maemo browser (microb). also a mozilla contributor | 11:37 |
| keesj | timeless: no , certs are overrated :p | 11:37 |
| timeless | _monkey i am <reply> | 11:38 |
| _Monkey | OK, timeless. | 11:38 |
| timeless | timeless? | 11:38 |
| timeless | _monkey: good bot, dumb bot, down bot | 11:38 |
| _Monkey | :) | 11:38 |
| timeless | luria: lemme head to work and try again. sorry | 11:38 |
| timeless | i'll be there in ~25mins | 11:38 |
| Luria | oh no | 11:38 |
| timeless | oh no? | 11:38 |
| keesj | keesj? | 11:38 |
| _Monkey | you are not aware of such page in enligh, | 11:38 |
| timeless | oh darn, you're in EDT aren't you | 11:38 |
| Luria | its 4:40am | 11:38 |
| timeless | bah | 11:39 |
| timeless | luria: timeless@gmail send me a note w/ steps | 11:39 |
| timeless | better send me a docs.google page so you can update the steps an i can comment | 11:39 |
| Luria | got my (basic) ham licence today (yay) | 11:39 |
| timeless | _monkey forget keesj | 11:39 |
| _Monkey | timeless: I forgot keesj | 11:39 |
| timeless | _monkey keesj is <reply> | 11:39 |
| _Monkey | OK, timeless. | 11:39 |
| timeless | _monkey literal luria | 11:40 |
| _Monkey | timeless: sorry... | 11:40 |
| timeless | _monkey luria is <reply> | 11:40 |
| _Monkey | OK, timeless. | 11:40 |
| Luria | its really simple, if you have an n800 handy | 11:40 |
| timeless | sorry, it's at work :( | 11:40 |
| Luria | sigh. | 11:40 |
| timeless | i've been sleeping at home instead of taking my n800 w/ me | 11:40 |
| timeless | it's bad enough i'm taking my laptop to bed | 11:41 |
| keesj | not your n800? | 11:41 |
| timeless | right | 11:41 |
| timeless | 770s on the desk, but i seem to have misplaced one of my n800s at work | 11:41 |
| timeless | so i have fewer n800s to take home atm | 11:41 |
| keesj | I have a bt keyboard but I would like a n800 head support so I can type while in bed | 11:42 |
| timeless | n800 head eh? | 11:42 |
| Luria | also, is there a decompiler for vkbs? | 11:42 |
| timeless | not that i know of | 11:42 |
| timeless | although arguably the vkb itself is one | 11:42 |
| timeless | i suppose | 11:42 |
| Luria | the heb vkb doesn't seem to have xml for fkb | 11:42 |
| Luria | it switches to russi | 11:43 |
| Luria | russian | 11:43 |
| keesj | /---\----------| | 11:43 |
| keesj | | | /\ | 11:43 |
| keesj | |o o| [n800] | 11:43 |
| keesj | \---/ | 11:43 |
| timeless | does the one sample xml file have a fkb? | 11:43 |
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| timeless | i'll kick the people again today, i tried kicking them last week | 11:43 |
| timeless | they gave some lame excuses for "why not open source" | 11:44 |
| Luria | which sample? the one on the garage tutorial? | 11:44 |
| timeless | maemo / garage, i don't keep them straight | 11:44 |
| timeless | (their excuses were worse than the ones in my blog entry) | 11:44 |
| Luria | i don't want to redo all the vkb work that was done :-( | 11:44 |
| Luria | but i only know how to make a vkb, not the other way around | 11:45 |
| Luria | but iirc the tutorial has an fkb sample | 11:46 |
| matmo | any smalltalk fans here? | 11:46 |
| Luria | btw, on fkb myself atm so, im slow. | 11:46 |
| jani | does anyone here have experience with gconf ? i have slight probless verifying if the changes made to values are actually getting written .. | 11:47 |
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| jani | issue seems to be with caching of read/writes .. if they are written correctly to the cache, they all is good .. | 11:50 |
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| Luria | user! i know user! he has an account on my n800! | 11:50 |
| jani | =) | 11:50 |
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| user_ | lol | 11:52 |
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| rm_you | on my n800 :) i love xchat on this thing | 11:53 |
| rm_-rf_you | oneupmanship | 11:53 |
| rm_you | lol | 11:54 |
| rm_-rf_you | me too. it's why i'm so damn slow typing. | 11:54 |
| rm_you | yeah... i have a bluetooth keyboard if i want it though ;P | 11:55 |
| rm_-rf_you | same here. but can't really lie in bed and type with it. | 11:55 |
| rm_you | yeah that would be hard | 11:55 |
| rm_-rf_you | which do you have? | 11:55 |
| rm_you | Think-Outside stowaway | 11:56 |
| rm_-rf_you | that's the one without the dedicated number row? | 11:56 |
| rm_you | yeah :/ | 11:57 |
| rm_you | i put up with it | 11:57 |
| rm_-rf_you | yeah. got that too. | 11:57 |
| rm_-rf_you | i can never remember the name of it. | 11:57 |
| rm_you | you play with a2dp much? | 11:57 |
| rm_you | i looked on the bottom of it when you asked :P | 11:57 |
| rm_-rf_you | the worst thing is the up arrow/? | 11:58 |
| rm_you | yes | 11:58 |
| rm_you | WTF | 11:58 |
| rm_you | theres supposed to be a SLASH there | 11:58 |
| rm_you | WTF | 11:58 |
| rm_you | screws me up several times a day... sometimes badly, especially when i'm in a terminal :P | 11:58 |
| rm_-rf_you | i sometimes repeat something i said in xchat 'cause instead of a ? i get my previous statement | 11:59 |
| rm_you | yeah | 11:59 |
| rm_you | well, i hit it instead of / | 11:59 |
| rm_-rf_you | the pipe is annoying too | 11:59 |
| rm_you | cause / is supposed to be on the ? key >_< | 11:59 |
| rm_you | yeah :/ | 11:59 |
| rm_you | bah | 11:59 |
| rm_you | just did it, but caugfht it | 11:59 |
| rm_-rf_you | right, but in xchat you look like a dope in front of 200 people | 12:00 |
| rm_you | they moved all of my most commonly used symbols to ONE KEY and then put it somewhere that should NEVER have a key... to the right of the shift >_< | 12:00 |
| rm_-rf_you | and then it's archived and indexed by google. | 12:00 |
| rm_you | lol | 12:00 |
| rm_you | i wonder if there's really a better option :/ | 12:01 |
| rm_you | I got this with my n800 tho, for cheap, so i cant complain | 12:01 |
| rm_-rf_you | how in god's name do you type so quickly on the thumb board ? | 12:01 |
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| timeless | heh | 12:01 |
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| rm_you | i cheated and pulled out the keyboard :P | 12:01 |
| rm_-rf_you | how much? | 12:01 |
| rm_-rf_you | timeless, we are having a deleting war. lemme know when you want the walk through on that bug. | 12:02 |
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| rm_you | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7959 | 12:03 |
| rm_-rf_you | those two sentences had nothing to do with each other, but i was too tired to cut and paste. | 12:03 |
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| timeless | ok | 12:04 |
| * timeless really heads along | 12:04 | |
| rm_-rf_you | don't u live at nokia? | 12:04 |
| rm_-rf_you | =) | 12:05 |
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| rm_you | but shipping to Japan ended up being $45, lol | 12:05 |
| Luria | thats like 1/3rd of a 770. | 12:06 |
| rm_you | lol | 12:06 |
| rm_you | it was worth it | 12:06 |
| rm_you | i mean cmon... even with shipping, $365 for a mint n800 with bluetooth keyboard and 2x 4gig sd cards and a softcase :P | 12:07 |
| rm_you | with original headphones and stylus and case | 12:07 |
| Luria | not bad. | 12:08 |
| Luria | actually, insane. | 12:08 |
| Luria | thats like $250 worth of stuff | 12:08 |
| Luria | iphones really are for idiots. | 12:09 |
| rm_you | it was a pretty sweet deal :P | 12:13 |
| rm_you | especially since a 4g sd card in japan costs like $120 | 12:13 |
| gla55_ | oO | 12:14 |
| rm_you | it sucks >_< | 12:14 |
| mk8 | sorry for my stupid question. I try to install a development environmento from scratch. I start to install scratchbox-base, -lib from the scratbox site. When I try to install sdk for bora 3.2 in the guide it is write that must be install sdk for 3.1 before. Ok, I try to run maemo-scratchbox-install.sh but find that scratchbox is already installed. | 12:14 |
| mk8 | Can anyone help me or post a link to an update guide? Thank | 12:15 |
| keesj | mk8: what distro are you running? | 12:23 |
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| mk8 | i'm using a VMware image so I can start from any distro. Now I'm tring to use ubuntu 'cause before I used and already done ubuntu image | 12:24 |
| pna | hi * | 12:24 |
| Mikho | scratchbox is one thing and maemo sdk something else. Aren' | 12:25 |
| Mikho | t you trying to install the sdk? | 12:25 |
| pna | is there any way to launch an application in fullscreen mode, from command line ie. some hildon option or something | 12:25 |
| keesj | mk8: I use a modified script https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/tools/install/?root=cosy-home | 12:25 |
| pna | in my case I need to launch the browser in fullscreen mode | 12:25 |
| keesj | bugger the download of 3.1 is broken/moved | 12:26 |
| mk8 | II already install scratchbox but when I start to install 3.2 sdk version the guide tell me to install 3.1 before and I try to use maemo-scrtchbox-install script | 12:27 |
| rm_you | is anyone else having issues with "screen" on the n800? it complains about having a PTY and dies | 12:27 |
| keesj | the scripts are not very smart :p | 12:27 |
| mk8 | keesj: I try to use the script that you are linked here, thank's | 12:27 |
| rm_you | also, permissions issues when run as a normal user :( | 12:28 |
| jkyro | rm_you: try to increase the amount of ptys | 12:28 |
| keesj | rm_you: yes , I had that problem ... | 12:28 |
| rm_you | jkyro: ok... how do i do that? | 12:28 |
| jkyro | /proc/sys/kernel/pty/max | 12:28 |
| jkyro | 4 | 12:28 |
| rm_you | ah | 12:29 |
| jkyro | sorry, | 12:29 |
| jkyro | echo 8 >/proc/sys/kernel/pty/max | 12:29 |
| jkyro | as root | 12:29 |
| jkyro | or you can substitute 8 with something else as well, the default is 4 | 12:29 |
| rm_you | k, thanks | 12:30 |
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| rm_you | any drawbacks to setting that to like.... 99? :P | 12:30 |
| jkyro | I guess there is memory overhead | 12:30 |
| jkyro | don't know how much though | 12:30 |
| jkyro | in my desktop it is 4096 | 12:31 |
| jkyro | so I guess it's no big issue | 12:31 |
| rm_you | heh ok, thanks :P | 12:32 |
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| rm_you | worked well :) | 12:33 |
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| rm_you | so again, anyone been playing much with the n800 and a2dp? | 12:40 |
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| florian | good monring | 12:45 |
| mk8 | keesj: can you give me the svn command to extract the installation script, and all the related files? I not know svn | 12:45 |
| keesj | mk8 http://paste-it.net/2930/raw/ | 12:47 |
| keesj | mk8 but U just saw the tgz files where moved | 12:47 |
| timeless | sorry | 12:48 |
| timeless | had to find a device | 12:49 |
| timeless | i'm here, kinda | 12:49 |
| timeless | talk me through it? | 12:49 |
| * timeless pokes one of rm?you or rm?/rf?you | 12:50 | |
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| timeless | sorry, can't get browser working, and someone wants lunch, try again tonight my time, your morning? | 12:55 |
| Mikho | I'm not sure if I understood that | 12:57 |
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| mk8 | keesj: ... I try to start the script .... it is started so I'm waiting to the finish | 13:16 |
| keesj | :) | 13:18 |
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| guardian | since the last IT2007 upgrade | 13:23 |
| guardian | my n800 does not register its hostname into the dhcp/dns | 13:24 |
| guardian | anyone aware of this ? | 13:24 |
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| amr | is plankton available for the 770? | 13:52 |
| amr | or is an n800 only theme | 13:52 |
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| pupnik | themes? | 13:58 |
| _Monkey | themes is http://downloads.maemo.org/other/ for recent Bora themes, http://thememaker.garage.maemo.org/About%20Theme%20Maker.html for the 'Theme Maker' applet, https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-theme-tools/README for tools http://icct.blogspot.com/2006/04/maemo-themes-are-here.html | 13:58 |
| amr | ive looked. | 13:59 |
| amr | i can find the theme | 14:01 |
| amr | but the blog says its n800 only | 14:01 |
| amr | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6028 | 14:01 |
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| pupnik | amr adria works fine here except for one small optical inconsistency | 14:17 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/xkbd_m_bottom.gif | 14:18 |
| pupnik | two white bars on the left hand side | 14:18 |
| pupnik | themes-os07-14pt-0.1-1.deb | 14:18 |
| amr | oh | 14:20 |
| amr | cool thanks | 14:20 |
| keesj | pupnik: why no hack on the same keyboard as in http://www.mulliner.org/bluetooth/xkbdbthid.php | 14:22 |
| keesj | they have layout files | 14:22 |
| amr | hm i installed the theme cacher now my tablet is running slooowww | 14:22 |
| amr | wont even start the browser | 14:22 |
| amr | nevermind | 14:22 |
| pupnik | keesj, both are based off xkbd | 14:23 |
| amr | looks like plankton has the same problem | 14:25 |
| amr | has a white line under the extras tab on the left | 14:25 |
| amr | and one at the very bottom below the >> | 14:25 |
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| jonek | hi | 14:40 |
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| pupnik | why does ITOS spawn all these processes per application | 14:41 |
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| inz | pupnik, all what processes? | 14:42 |
| pupnik | i just saw 4 processes for scummvm and i don't think it forks them | 14:42 |
| inz | Threads show up the same way processes do | 14:43 |
| inz | If you happend to use gnome-vfs, you're bound to have threads | 14:43 |
| inz | (I think) | 14:43 |
| pupnik | ah ty | 14:43 |
| eichi | someone has a pda-holder for his/her bike? (n800 ^^)? | 14:44 |
| * sxpert-work has a gps holder (garmin GPS 60) | 14:44 | |
| * pupnik wants sunglasses with a monochrome text console display over bluetooth | 14:46 | |
| eichi | pupnik: ;D | 14:46 |
| jonek | eichi: I have build one myself | 14:46 |
| eichi | jonek: yes, thats the idea I have at the moment ;) | 14:47 |
| jonek | eichi: it holds a N800 and a solar GPS recv next to it | 14:47 |
| eichi | do you have or can you take a picture ? | 14:47 |
| jonek | eichi: it works quite well - let's see if I can get you some pictures | 14:47 |
| eichi | jonek: most freeks like me and you blog there constructions quite fast ;) thats why I thout, you have a picture ;) | 14:48 |
| jonek | eichi: nope I haven't bloged about it yet | 14:49 |
| jonek | eichi: but I'll do this week because from my vacation I have some nice pictures of N800+GPS from mountain hiking in France (3150m peak) ;-) | 14:50 |
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| eichi | jonek: sounds nice ;) | 14:51 |
| jonek | maybe we could start a competition like: who gets the highest picture from her internet tablet + GPS? | 14:52 |
| mk8 | keesj: I try the script but obtain several errors ... :( | 14:53 |
| eichi | "damn" old people cycle on the bicycle lane ;D I had to pass the center several times, now its quit hard to map the gps data accurate..damn i have to reride it | 14:53 |
| jonek | freaky geadget hiking :-P | 14:53 |
| jonek | eichi: do you participate in openstreetmaps.org? | 14:54 |
| eichi | yeah, very motivated ;) | 14:54 |
| eichi | by bike | 14:54 |
| jonek | cool - I think openstreetmapping is a killer app for my internet tablets | 14:55 |
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| jonek | I would like to have some sort of map editor app directly on the device | 14:56 |
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| eichi | every time I' m leaving the house and I use streets, which arent in OSM, i track them ;) and I cycle around the towns for OSM and beeing sporty only ;D | 14:57 |
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| jonek | (note: this is one of my motivators for better java support on the tablets!) | 14:57 |
| eichi | jonek: yeah, that wound be great | 14:57 |
| eichi | jonek: hehe, but josm is quit a good app | 14:57 |
| inz | jonek, are planes allowed in the competition? | 14:57 |
| jonek | inz: :-D | 14:57 |
| eichi | inz: damn cheater ;D | 14:58 |
| jonek | ok we need categories ... | 14:58 |
| jonek | feet, bike, plane | 14:58 |
| inz | eichi, I wouldn't do that, but there are some hobbyists in the community | 14:59 |
| jonek | eichi: carolina vor example | 14:59 |
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| jonek | RC models (helis, gliders) would be cool, too | 15:00 |
| eichi | jonek: what is with carolina? | 15:01 |
| eichi | sorry, bad english ;D | 15:02 |
| jonek | eichi: IIRC she knows who to fly a plane | 15:02 |
| jonek | how | 15:02 |
| inz | jonek, I think you mean Karoliina, but anyway | 15:02 |
| jonek | inz yes | 15:02 |
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| eichi | i dont know her.. | 15:03 |
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| eichi | jonek: you use josm? | 15:04 |
| keesj | Karoliina pop-ed up in my linkedin network | 15:05 |
| keesj | we have ex-nokia people working here :p | 15:05 |
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| jonek | eichi: I only tried it - not yet commited tracks | 15:06 |
| eichi | ah okay | 15:07 |
| jonek | unfortunately I live in Karlsruhe, which is Germany best openstreetmapped city :-) | 15:08 |
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| keesj | I have an adapt bt gps modem but that really is not goog enough for openstreet I guess | 15:26 |
| eichi | jonek: lol, i live near tübingen ;D jonek then you know hanno, right? | 15:26 |
| rik | so what's the preferred pim suie these days? | 15:26 |
| eichi | i use a nokia gps mouse, it seems quit well | 15:27 |
| rik | is there a calendar app that can sync wih google calendar? | 15:27 |
| keesj | theere is a new sexy ajax based calendar designed for maemo | 15:28 |
| keesj | well perhaps it's not sexy (see maemo.org front page) | 15:28 |
| Tu13es | rik: Erminig will sync your google calendar and gpe calendar | 15:29 |
| eichi | rik: http://code.google.com/p/erminig/ | 15:30 |
| rik | what's the interface like? plugin for gpe or separate program? | 15:30 |
| Tu13es | separate program | 15:30 |
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| rik | i see | 15:32 |
| rik | it would be nice to have a calendar apps with a sync now button or something. | 15:33 |
| eichi | are there 2 nice or one nice linux app (running with maemo) with works together very well? (have linux desktop and n800 maemo) | 15:34 |
| rik | i should check out gpe. thanks. | 15:34 |
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| pupnik_ | can i run gdb on n770? | 15:44 |
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| pupnik_ | ah yes | 15:45 |
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| lardman | kulve: How is memory allocation performed in Speex? | 15:56 |
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| Tu13es | what can I use to stream stuff from my mac to Kagu? | 15:57 |
| kulve | lardman: speex supported "manual allocation". I.e. there's a speex_alloc() that is overwrited in dsp port. It's just a char * array with pointers showing what is allocated | 15:58 |
| lardman | kulve: So it pre-allocates a large array, and then manually allocates from that? | 15:58 |
| lardman | kulve: Where is the large array in memory? Is it allocated normally? | 15:58 |
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| kulve | it's allocated normally. i.e. char array[SPEEX_SCRATCH_SOMETHING] | 15:59 |
| kulve | I don't think it's very large.. | 15:59 |
| kulve | the sizes were already defined somewhere and I didn't even check the actual size.. | 15:59 |
| lardman | that's okay | 16:00 |
| kulve | but now I'm off again | 16:00 |
| lardman | Just reading the Sandvall thesis about how he split the decoder across ARM & DSP | 16:00 |
| lardman | thanks for the info | 16:00 |
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| kulve | url? :) | 16:01 |
| lardman | www.mp3-tech.org/programmer/docs/embedded_vorbis_thesis.pdf | 16:01 |
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| cosmo | what was the magic to get apt-get working in scratchbox? i've edited resolv.conf and both nsswitch.conf's | 16:16 |
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| AD-N770 | cosmo: http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=351 | 16:18 |
| AD-N770 | cosmo: was nameserver for me | 16:18 |
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| cosmo | thanks, i'll check that out | 16:19 |
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| pupnik_ | nsswitch? | 16:21 |
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| pupnik | monkey used to have that link | 16:21 |
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| cosmo | that tutorial didn't have anything helpful.. apt's still not resolving | 16:25 |
| cosmo | wget works though | 16:25 |
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| cosmo | oh, i might have some other weird issues.. | 16:29 |
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| Jaket | Hi | 16:31 |
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| Jaket | Im on my 770 now | 16:34 |
| Jaket | I love you guys | 16:34 |
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| AD-N770 | cosmo: that tutorial helped me to fix it on my system, I'm running feisty | 16:37 |
| trevarth1n | sparr: how's the new volume widget coming? | 16:37 |
| Jaket | Can you run kde on os2006? | 16:38 |
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| cosmo | AD-N770: feisty here. but i might have some other networking problems, so it might not be sbox issue after all | 16:39 |
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| kupesoft | Is there any (noticeable) difference between m800 models? I found one for a suspiciously cheap price of $100 CAD less than others, | 16:42 |
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| cosmo | kupesoft: not afaik | 16:43 |
| kupesoft | I'm'a buy then! | 16:44 |
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| pupnik | if it's not an authorized reseller you may have problems with exchange/repairs | 16:45 |
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| kupesoft | How do I know if it's an authorized reseller? | 16:46 |
| kupesoft | It's tigerdirect.ca? | 16:46 |
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| pupnik | use the phone. ask about exchange/return policy | 16:47 |
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| keesj | _Monkey: do you have a home? | 17:29 |
| _Monkey | keesj: i don't know | 17:29 |
| keesj | _Monkey: is there a god? | 17:29 |
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| sparr | trevarth1n: i can draw it :) making it DO things, thats where im having fun | 17:33 |
| sparr | i applied for a garage project page a week ago, no response... how long does it usually take? | 17:34 |
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| keesj | a few day's | 17:37 |
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| sparr | :( | 17:48 |
| pbryan | What project are you working on? | 17:49 |
| pbryan | Ah, volume widget. | 17:50 |
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| Blacksitox | hi :) | 17:57 |
| pbryan | Hi. | 17:57 |
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| pupnik | i'm beginning to think garage is overkill unless more than one person wants to work on a port / project | 18:01 |
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| pupnik | i suppose it can serve as advertising and a request for contributors as well | 18:02 |
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| * pupnik curses debian maintainers who create dependencies just for the packaging process | 18:04 | |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 18:46 |
| pupnik | morning Jaffa | 18:47 |
| lardman | I keep seeing more tidbits about the IVA | 18:49 |
| lardman | http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=1155807521.15232.268585018%40webmail.messagingengine.com&forum_name=dspgateway-devel | 18:50 |
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| Luria | jaffa, kree! | 18:54 |
| Luria | timeless, still around ? | 18:54 |
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| pupnik | _Monkey: "error opening terminal" is caused by missing /etc/terminfo data. Fix with apt-get install ncurses-base | 19:00 |
| _Monkey | OK, pupnik. | 19:00 |
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| rm_you | Luria: rofl stargate references :P | 19:06 |
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| Luria | +10 for me | 19:07 |
| derf | lardman: BTW, the maximum valid Vorbis packet size is 9+nchannels*1189146 bits. | 19:08 |
| derf | Or about 145K per channel. | 19:09 |
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| trevarth1n | sparr: why do you need a garage page? | 19:30 |
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| sparr | trevarth1n: to house my packages | 19:33 |
| sparr | right now ive got a local repository, but i cant let [many] other people use it | 19:34 |
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| lardman | derf: Thanks | 19:39 |
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| derf | That's assuming a blocksize of 4096, which I believe the reference encoder only uses in a few of the very low bitrate modes. | 19:41 |
| derf | Err, a blocksize of 8192. | 19:41 |
| lardman | I think I'll go for the all-on-the-DSP method to begin with, and allocate a large buffer from which to do manual allocation by altering the defines of _ogg_malloc, etc. | 19:45 |
| lardman | I'm going for a shared memory scheme with active word sending from DSP-> ARM to request buffer fills and inform of PCM output availability | 19:46 |
| lardman | and will use polling on the DSP side while the ARM does the buffer fill | 19:46 |
| lardman | pupnik: How would your games like to fill a buffer? By being signalled or by polling? | 19:47 |
| lardman | pupnik: the signal is a bit difficult as it's a callback function | 19:47 |
| pupnik | most of them use sdl, so i'd need to look into how that works | 19:48 |
| lardman | if you had a separate thread the callback could work - basically you block trying to read from the device | 19:48 |
| lardman | otherwise polling shared memory is the only way I can think of | 19:49 |
| pupnik | reading up on SDL_audio.h now | 19:49 |
| pupnik | * 'desired->callback' should be set to a function that will be called | 19:49 |
| pupnik | * when the audio device is ready for more data. | 19:49 |
| pupnik | It is passed a pointer | 19:49 |
| pupnik | * to the audio buffer, and the length in bytes of the audio buffer. | 19:49 |
| pupnik | * This function usually runs in a separate thread | 19:49 |
| lardman | ah well, first things first anyway | 19:50 |
| lardman | looks like the callback could work for that then | 19:52 |
| lardman | home time, bye chaps | 19:53 |
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| pupnik | cheers! | 19:54 |
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| pupnik | tcl? | 20:06 |
| pupnik | _Monkey is tcl/tk for N770 (and if you dpkg -i N800) can be found at http://pupnik.de/tcl8.4_8.4.12-1.1_armel.deb and http://pupnik.de/tk8.4_8.4.12-1_armel.deb | 20:07 |
| pupnik | _Monkey tcl is tcl/tk for N770 (and if you dpkg -i N800) can be found at http://pupnik.de/tcl8.4_8.4.12-1.1_armel.deb and http://pupnik.de/tk8.4_8.4.12-1_armel.deb | 20:07 |
| _Monkey | OK, pupnik. | 20:07 |
| pupnik | _Monkey tk is tcl/tk for N770 (and if you dpkg -i N800) can be found at http://pupnik.de/tcl8.4_8.4.12-1.1_armel.deb and http://pupnik.de/tk8.4_8.4.12-1_armel.deb | 20:08 |
| _Monkey | OK, pupnik. | 20:08 |
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| Luria | i wish there were a huge file map of maemo. | 20:09 |
| pupnik | someone made a search engine for maemo repos but i forgot the URL | 20:10 |
| Luria | i'd love to especially know how the fonts are used, 'cause the info i've found until now has been wrong. | 20:10 |
| Luria | no, i mean a file map of a stock system | 20:10 |
| Luria | especially 'cause i'd like to make an oss font set that doesn't suck. | 20:11 |
| pupnik | you are an expert at low-res hinting? | 20:12 |
| pupnik | or you mean compile existing fonts into a set? | 20:13 |
| Luria | nope. but just setting up the project might invite someone who is. | 20:13 |
| Luria | start with compilation and evolve. | 20:13 |
| pupnik | looking at the font in the window title, i can see some small hinting errors, so i think they could be tweaked | 20:15 |
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| pupnik | for e.g. space between U and n in "X Terminal - U ntitled" is a bit too large | 20:15 |
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| Luria | oops | 20:16 |
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| timeless | anyone here know how often planet.maemo updates? | 20:49 |
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| DaniloCesar | Can I use a Palm's keyboard with my N800? Will it works? | 20:54 |
| pbryan | Does the Palm keyboard support Bluetooth? | 20:54 |
| DaniloCesar | I don't have the keyboard yet. | 20:55 |
| pbryan | If it is a BT keyboard, it will probably work. | 20:55 |
| pbryan | If it is not a BT keyboard, it will probably not work. | 20:56 |
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| DaniloCesar | its because I could not find a Nokia's Kb... so I need alternatives.. | 20:56 |
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| pbryan | There are plenty of BT keyboards out there that will work with N800. | 20:57 |
| pbryan | Go to eBay and search for "bluetooth keyboard". | 20:57 |
| pupnik | What is the main issue with compatibility? A HID profile? | 20:58 |
| pbryan | Yup. | 20:58 |
| pupnik | I bought a thinkoutside stowaway because it folds and was compatible. | 20:58 |
| pbryan | I haven't seen a BT keyboard that doesn't have the HID profile. | 20:58 |
| DaniloCesar | Yes, but I can't use ebay. They doesn't delivery to my country anymore... | 20:59 |
| pbryan | pupnik: Same here. It's a nice big keyboard when you expand it. | 20:59 |
| pbryan | DaniloCesar: At least you can see what's available. | 20:59 |
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| Luria | timeless, u there? | 21:11 |
| timeless | yeah | 21:12 |
| timeless | now's about as good a time as any | 21:12 |
| Luria | ok 1 sec | 21:12 |
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| Nermal | helloooo | 21:12 |
| Luria | ok, now i have my bt keyboard :-) | 21:12 |
| pbryan | :) | 21:13 |
| Nermal | someone talk me out of buying an n800 :S | 21:13 |
| Luria | so, it's pretty simple | 21:13 |
| pbryan | Nermal: The N800 is awful. Send me yours. You'll be glad you did. | 21:13 |
| Nermal | oook | 21:13 |
| Luria | there is a problem with the way the vkb deals with password fields | 21:13 |
| Luria | im using n800, microb 8-3e | 21:13 |
| Luria | -3 | 21:13 |
| Luria | you with me? | 21:14 |
| timeless | ok, i found one device running 4.2007 w/ microb | 21:14 |
| timeless | i just need to figure out if i can be in the same room as it | 21:14 |
| Luria | ummm.. marital problems? | 21:14 |
| timeless | it's seeing another developer | 21:14 |
| timeless | he has it tied down... | 21:15 |
| Luria | slut | 21:15 |
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| Luria | tell him this takes a minute | 21:15 |
| Luria | :-) | 21:15 |
| timeless | he's out, anyway, ok, let's do it | 21:15 |
| Luria | ok, go to a page where there is authentication, user / pass where the pass is supposed to be hidden | 21:16 |
| timelE61i | yeah, this is 8-3 | 21:16 |
| Luria | anything will work, facebook, gmail | 21:16 |
| timelE61i | um | 21:16 |
| Luria | whatever | 21:16 |
| timelE61i | gmail... | 21:16 |
| _Monkey | somebody said gmail was out to get me | 21:16 |
| timelE61i | _monkey forget gmail | 21:16 |
| _Monkey | timelE61i: I forgot gmail | 21:16 |
| timelE61i | gmail is <reply> | 21:17 |
| timelE61i | next | 21:17 |
| Luria | tap in the user field, to bring up vkb, type in a user name and use the *vkb tab key* to switch to the password field and keep typing | 21:17 |
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| Luria | it doesnt know that its in a field that should be treated as hidden | 21:17 |
| Luria | now my autocomplete hass some passwords :-( | 21:18 |
| timelE61i | hrm, stars here | 21:18 |
| Luria | stars in the field, yes | 21:18 |
| Luria | but what about below the vkb | 21:18 |
| timelE61i | oh | 21:18 |
| Luria | see? | 21:18 |
| timelE61i | yes! | 21:19 |
| Luria | thanks god :-) | 21:19 |
| timelE61i | ok | 21:19 |
| Luria | there is some wonky stuff with the hidden field detection | 21:19 |
| Luria | i have another similar bug | 21:19 |
| Luria | but i cant replicate it | 21:19 |
| timeless | ok, let's start w/ basics | 21:19 |
| * timeless pulls out a device running 3.2007 w/ microb | 21:20 | |
| timeless | oh darn | 21:20 |
| timeless | i never got aroudn to filing that other bug | 21:20 |
| * Nermal looks | 21:20 | |
| Luria | ive had normal text in search fields treated as passwords (the reverse of this problem) | 21:20 |
| timeless | heh | 21:20 |
| timeless | that makes sense, try this url: | 21:20 |
| timeless | data:text/html,<input><input type=password><input> | 21:20 |
| Luria | ok | 21:21 |
| timeless | simple testcases are appreciated :) | 21:21 |
| Luria | one sec, ill have to shut off my bt keyboard | 21:21 |
| Luria | brb, testing | 21:21 |
| Luria | yeah, same deal | 21:22 |
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| timeless | ok, | 21:23 |
| timeless | so, can i get you to file the bug? | 21:23 |
| timeless | the url field is easy, it's the url i gave you :) | 21:23 |
| Luria | didn't know about the data: thing | 21:24 |
| Luria | one sec | 21:24 |
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| TomCreer | anyone got youtube on the 770 working seamlessly (i.e. without a transcoding external site)? | 22:56 |
| timeless | has anyone seen their n800 flicker? | 22:56 |
| timeless | mine is changing brightness as it charges | 22:56 |
| timeless | it seems to have at least 4 steps | 22:57 |
| timeless | i'm fairly certain it's not just pulsing, but not positive | 22:57 |
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| trevarth1n | sparr: are you planning on forking Kagu? Or contributing to Kagu? | 23:12 |
| erstazi | sorry about all the connects and disconnects... I am trying to get framebuffering working and my irc client is setup in sessions | 23:15 |
| erstazi | I should disable that | 23:15 |
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