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| amr_ | hey whadya know | 00:03 |
| amr_ | it was my heap of crap router | 00:03 |
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| ssvb | pupnik: inline asm can be dangerous, I was already hit this bug: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=31693 | 00:05 |
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| pupnik | yes i saw inline problems | 00:05 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/fastblit.tgz | 00:06 |
| pupnik | i don't have a readme or know the author's name | 00:06 |
| a-l-p-h-a | I'm having the worst time trying to get minimo on the 770... os2006 | 00:06 |
| pupnik | a-l-p-h-a: i did also and gave up | 00:07 |
| sully | I got it on there without a problem | 00:07 |
| sully | What's the issue? | 00:07 |
| a-l-p-h-a | well, I tried the adding the repo | 00:07 |
| a-l-p-h-a | and can't get to that repo... | 00:07 |
| a-l-p-h-a | sec... | 00:07 |
| sully | This one? | 00:08 |
| sully | Web address - http://repository.maemo.org | 00:08 |
| sully | Distribution - herring | 00:08 |
| sully | Components - main | 00:08 |
| a-l-p-h-a | no. | 00:08 |
| a-l-p-h-a | it was another one | 00:08 |
| sully | Add that and try it | 00:08 |
| a-l-p-h-a | I'm on mistral | 00:08 |
| a-l-p-h-a | not herring | 00:08 |
| sully | Nonetheless, add that and give it a whirl | 00:08 |
| a-l-p-h-a | okay | 00:08 |
| a-l-p-h-a | adding | 00:08 |
| matmo | wow, usb transfer soooo slooow! Is the 770 usb 1.0? | 00:09 |
| sully | yes | 00:10 |
| sully | I use ftp or wget | 00:10 |
| matmo | huh | 00:10 |
| matmo | sully: ftp server/client? | 00:10 |
| sully | *nod* I run a local FTP server | 00:10 |
| matmo | (on the 770 side i mean) | 00:11 |
| a-l-p-h-a | lets see now... :) | 00:11 |
| matmo | ok | 00:11 |
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| a-l-p-h-a | downloading the new repo... i need to learn how to write again... taptyping stinks. | 00:11 |
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| a-l-p-h-a | and the handwriting recognizes me, but like 80% of the time only | 00:11 |
| amr_ | ive never been able to get that much accuracy :p | 00:11 |
| amr_ | have you done the handwriting teaching? | 00:11 |
| a-l-p-h-a | no. | 00:12 |
| amr_ | do that | 00:12 |
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| a-l-p-h-a | okay | 00:12 |
| sully | any luck? | 00:12 |
| a-l-p-h-a | no... didn't like that repo/distru/comp configuration... | 00:13 |
| matmo | well 22meg xvid at least starts to play in mplayer, promising | 00:13 |
| a-l-p-h-a | http://repository.maemo.org mistral main | 00:13 |
| a-l-p-h-a | changing to http://repository.maemo.org/stable mistral main | 00:13 |
| a-l-p-h-a | and testing again | 00:13 |
| a-l-p-h-a | still unable to refresh list | 00:14 |
| keesj | kupesoft: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cx3110x/ | 00:14 |
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| a-l-p-h-a | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/mistral/Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.0_relnotes.txt points to this url, which is out of date http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial.html | 00:15 |
| matmo | quits for tonight. see ya and once again thanks for the help! | 00:15 |
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| kreig | hmm | 00:16 |
| kreig | so I can ssh to my n800 | 00:16 |
| kreig | but only when it is actually pulling traffic from splace else | 00:16 |
| sully | keesj: I'm curious, what does that do? | 00:16 |
| kreig | for isntance, I can login as long as I'm DLing some website | 00:16 |
| kreig | but when the website stop, my ssh into the n800 stop | 00:16 |
| kreig | is that normal? | 00:18 |
| a-l-p-h-a | sully, still no go. | 00:18 |
| sully | My 770 keeps the SSH session alive without issue | 00:18 |
| sully | a-l-p-h-a, I usually try to download all the *.deb files I need to my local computer for just this reason | 00:18 |
| sully | I don't think I got anything but minimo_0.20.1_armel.deb this time though | 00:18 |
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| kreig | ok, I need to put my toy away 8) | 00:19 |
| kreig | so I cna get some chores done | 00:19 |
| pupnik | i think microb will be great | 00:20 |
| Blacksitox | hi | 00:20 |
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| a-l-p-h-a | ooooooooh minimo isn't in this repo "http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ mistral free" | 00:23 |
| a-l-p-h-a | can someone confirm what I just said... I hope to be proven wrong. | 00:25 |
| kreig | hmm, apt-get install clean-kitchen is not working | 00:25 |
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| a-l-p-h-a | version 3.2006.49-2 what name is this? mistral? | 00:29 |
| a-l-p-h-a | bora? | 00:30 |
| a-l-p-h-a | scirroco? | 00:30 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it bora is pointing to 3.2 which is not working yet | 00:30 |
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| TomCreer | how does one get Make on the 770 (it's on RD mode already..) | 00:31 |
| a-l-p-h-a | ahh...somehow I typed the repo in wrong. | 00:35 |
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| sully | Which one? Herring? | 00:36 |
| BigMac | Hey, anyone use the nokia 770 here | 00:36 |
| sully | I do | 00:36 |
| BigMac | sully: Do you know what is the path to "Documents" section | 00:37 |
| sully | It is /home/user/MyDocs/.documents | 00:37 |
| BigMac | it isn't /home/user/MyDocs | 00:37 |
| BigMac | ohhhh | 00:37 |
| sully | For some reason it's a hidden folder | 00:37 |
| BigMac | thank you man | 00:37 |
| sully | It might be .document, but one of the two should work | 00:37 |
| BigMac | neither work | 00:39 |
| BigMac | oh doh | 00:39 |
| BigMac | my fault | 00:39 |
| BigMac | I was typing cd /home/user/.documents | 00:39 |
| sully | hehe | 00:39 |
| TomCreer | where can you get Make for the 770? I tried someone's package.. but tar said "invalid tar magic", said the same when i tried to compile one off the gnu site | 00:39 |
| sully | If you use "ls", make sure to use "ls -a" to see hidden files/folders | 00:39 |
| BigMac | sully: DO use xterm on the 770? | 00:40 |
| sully | yes | 00:40 |
| BigMac | Because I can't figure out why it will not let me backspace | 00:41 |
| sully | That's a buggy version of xterm | 00:41 |
| TomCreer | it does | 00:41 |
| TomCreer | it just shows it as a character | 00:41 |
| TomCreer | ^h | 00:41 |
| sully | Well yeah true | 00:41 |
| TomCreer | or whatever | 00:41 |
| BigMac | Oh | 00:41 |
| sully | I think you can set ^H to backspace, but just get the other version of xterm | 00:41 |
| BigMac | sully: Other version? | 00:42 |
| sully | http://770.fs-security.com/xterm/ I think | 00:42 |
| TomCreer | anyone know about Make then? | 00:42 |
| BigMac | thats 2005 edition | 00:42 |
| BigMac | i have 2006 | 00:42 |
| TomCreer | bigmac its in the repos | 00:42 |
| BigMac | ok | 00:42 |
| sully | aha I found it, BigMac | 00:43 |
| sully | http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoXterm | 00:43 |
| BigMac | sully: I have OssoXterm | 00:44 |
| sully | yes, I realize :) | 00:44 |
| sully | This is a different version | 00:44 |
| BigMac | oh | 00:44 |
| sully | Few new features, supports 256 colours, etc | 00:45 |
| sully | Fixes that backspace issue | 00:45 |
| TomCreer | sully mate any info about make on the 770? | 00:47 |
| a-l-p-h-a | sully, sec | 00:47 |
| sully | TomCreer, sorry but never played with that one | 00:48 |
| a-l-p-h-a | Web address http://home.ufam.edu.br/~agan/minimo/ | 00:48 |
| a-l-p-h-a | Distribution mistral/ | 00:48 |
| a-l-p-h-a | Components (leave blank) | 00:48 |
| BigMac | Anyone know how to stop the gtalk icon from showing up in the status bar? | 00:48 |
| BigMac | Or just tell it to stop loading completly | 00:48 |
| BigMac | And why is cp /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/Loom /home/user/MyDocs omitting the initial directory? | 00:53 |
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| sully | omitting? | 00:54 |
| pupnik | cp -r for recursive directory copy | 00:54 |
| sully | Is LOOM good? I'm playing through Monkey Island 2 for now | 00:54 |
| pupnik | besides you probably want to mv instead of cp | 00:55 |
| BigMac | yes I do | 00:55 |
| pupnik | i need walkthroughs for those games | 00:55 |
| pupnik | usually too unintuitive the puzzles | 00:55 |
| BigMac | I heard it was great | 00:56 |
| TomCreer | whats the dev box on the 770 called again? | 00:56 |
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| sully | yeah I end up getting the walkthrus as well | 00:58 |
| sully | Next I'll throw Full Throttle on there | 00:58 |
| kreig | anyone get t-mobile internet going on their n800? | 00:58 |
| kreig | via DUN | 00:58 |
| kreig | getting "Remote server not responding" tho I have tried several suggests APNs | 00:59 |
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| TomCreer | what apn you using? | 01:00 |
| kreig | interenet.voicestream.com | 01:01 |
| kreig | internet.voicestream.com | 01:01 |
| kreig | and then internet2 and internet3 | 01:01 |
| kreig | got! | 01:02 |
| kreig | got it! | 01:02 |
| kreig | wooo | 01:03 |
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| Emh5945 | Somebody help me! I broke pidgin and gaim by activating the iconify plugin now i cant use either of them! | 01:07 |
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| Juhaz | you could remove ~/.gaim | 01:09 |
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| Emh5945 | How, sorry i'm new | 01:09 |
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| kreig | TomCreer: I just had to add receive-all to /etc/ppp/options, as described on maemo.org chart of phone compat. | 01:10 |
| kreig | I had forgetten to switch the APN back to internet2 after trying the others. Once I did that, it connected | 01:10 |
| * pupnik needs someone to work on drpocketsnes with me | 01:10 | |
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| Juhaz | or .gaim/prefs.xml would probably be enough, and wouldn't lose accounts. | 01:11 |
| TomCreer | ok :) | 01:11 |
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| pupnik | wb Luria | 01:11 |
| Luria | yo | 01:12 |
| Luria | think i found a bug in microb... | 01:12 |
| Emh5945 | How do i remove that though the file manager is pretty limited as far as i know | 01:12 |
| Juhaz | Emh5945, yes, the files manager is pretty limited. not sure if you can access that through any of the gui tool, might need xterm. | 01:12 |
| Luria | Emh5945, that reminds me, i have to install canoe | 01:12 |
| Juhaz | or third party file manager | 01:12 |
| Emh5945 | I have xterm, but i cant use it very well | 01:13 |
| Juhaz | "rm .gaim/prefs.xml" right after starting xterm should work | 01:14 |
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| TomCreer | anyone got aircrack? | 01:14 |
| Luria | aircrack-ng is in the main repo, iirc | 01:14 |
| TomCreer | couldnt see it | 01:15 |
| Emh5945 | Thank you, that workeed, would pidgin simply be rm .pidgin/prefs.xml or is it different? | 01:16 |
| sully | aircrack's useless on our devices anyways | 01:16 |
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| TomCreer | can we not inject? | 01:17 |
| Juhaz | Emh5945, I think pidgin still uses ~/.gaim for it's configuration so it should already work with that too. | 01:17 |
| sully | We cannot inject | 01:18 |
| sully | I use Kismet on my 770 for the hell of it, but there's no practical use | 01:18 |
| kreig | darn | 01:18 |
| Luria | no injection | 01:18 |
| Emh5945 | No it didn't work but i didnt think it would because gaim was working while pidgin wasnt | 01:18 |
| kreig | there goes my plan for crashing iphones 8) | 01:18 |
| Luria | well, kismet has use, but is mad buggy | 01:18 |
| sully | Actually I wonder, how does one change the MAC address of the 770/800 | 01:18 |
| Luria | well, kismet has use, but is mad buggy | 01:19 |
| _Monkey | i already had it that way, Luria. | 01:19 |
| Luria | oops | 01:19 |
| Luria | macchanger? | 01:19 |
| sully | Can't be done natively? hrm | 01:19 |
| kreig | is lack of injection a hardware limitation? | 01:19 |
| kreig | or driver? | 01:19 |
| sully | I think nobody's ported it is all | 01:19 |
| Luria | stupid keyboard - ? is shift+arrow key up | 01:19 |
| sully | The driver works | 01:19 |
| Juhaz | Emh5945, oh, yeah, looks like it's .purple | 01:19 |
| kreig | ah | 01:19 |
| sully | Actually cracking the key would take forever on a 770/800 as well | 01:19 |
| erstazi | yeah, aircrack-ng works great on a laptop | 01:20 |
| TomCreer | ah k | 01:21 |
| TomCreer | shame | 01:21 |
| TomCreer | what about airodump? | 01:21 |
| sully | No go on airodump | 01:21 |
| Emh5945 | Thank you so much, it works | 01:21 |
| TomCreer | how come? | 01:21 |
| sully | Hasn't been ported | 01:21 |
| TomCreer | aww weak | 01:21 |
| TomCreer | ..anyone want a 770 :P? | 01:21 |
| sully | I haven't done much wireless hacking, but if someone does MAC filtering and you change your MAC to match... are you good? | 01:21 |
| TomCreer | yea | 01:22 |
| sully | I see | 01:22 |
| TomCreer | altho you can have probs if both macs are doing stuff | 01:22 |
| TomCreer | when they send ack's etc | 01:22 |
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| soolek | there's a software on n770 to change MAC | 01:22 |
| TomCreer | i mean.. that'd be more the other person's concern then yours | 01:22 |
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| TomCreer | love how easy it is to change the MAC on linux | 01:23 |
| sully | What's the command? | 01:24 |
| TomCreer | at work we had some software which was mainly on windows, but they rolled out a linux version too. Their licensing tied it to the mac adress lol | 01:24 |
| soolek | http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/main/m/macchanger/macchanger_1.5.0-1_armel.deb | 01:25 |
| TomCreer | can use ifconfig | 01:25 |
| TomCreer | ah right, sweet | 01:25 |
| soolek | and there's manual: http://www.alobbs.com/macchanger/ | 01:25 |
| TomCreer | i'm not very clued up on the 770 dev.. do maemo2/bora apps not work on mistral? | 01:26 |
| TomCreer | if they're even different | 01:26 |
| soolek | bora is it2007 from n800 | 01:27 |
| soolek | mistral is n770 it2006 | 01:27 |
| TomCreer | ah.. so bora apps won't work | 01:27 |
| TomCreer | what's maemo2? | 01:27 |
| soolek | maemo2 is it2006 | 01:27 |
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| soolek | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/maemoreleasesrepositoriesdistros/ | 01:28 |
| TomCreer | cheers | 01:28 |
| soolek | have a look at this webpage you'll know | 01:28 |
| TomCreer | has anyone tried compiling gnash for it? | 01:28 |
| pupnik | should be trivial | 01:31 |
| sully | ok, hmm. | 01:31 |
| TomCreer | assume you can't embed in opera as a true flash replacement tho? | 01:31 |
| sully | So getting around MAC filtering would mean hopping into Kismet and looking for active APs | 01:31 |
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| sully | Then you look for associated clients to that AP, and change to match the MAC address | 01:32 |
| sully | Worth a try sometime | 01:32 |
| TomCreer | yea | 01:32 |
| Luria | you know there is a point in one's life | 01:32 |
| TomCreer | although potential issues if you're both connected to AP at same time | 01:32 |
| Luria | where a man must see himself in the mirror, and think: | 01:33 |
| Luria | oh shit, my mother finally found my website. | 01:33 |
| Luria | sigh. timeless, you around? | 01:34 |
| TomCreer | ffs.. mplayer won't install | 01:35 |
| TomCreer | 'couldn't install' | 01:35 |
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| sully | Why do people install mplayer anyways? | 01:35 |
| TomCreer | what else is good? | 01:35 |
| TomCreer | i had it working before i flashed it anyways | 01:36 |
| sully | I re-encode my videos for the 770 and play it in the default player | 01:36 |
| sully | Are you not re-encoding? | 01:36 |
| TomCreer | yea | 01:36 |
| TomCreer | i am.. but mplayer still has better codecs | 01:36 |
| TomCreer | well, i assumed so anyway | 01:36 |
| sully | Seems about the same to me | 01:36 |
| Luria | right, sully, but what if youre on the road and you download some porn? | 01:37 |
| Luria | right, sully, but what if youre on the road and you download some porn? | 01:37 |
| Luria | oops | 01:37 |
| sully | no oops, that was worth saying twice! | 01:37 |
| sully | I can't get road porn, here in Canada we don't believe in affordable data | 01:37 |
| Luria | mplayer, thus, is for porn. | 01:37 |
| Luria | what about open APs? | 01:38 |
| eichi | Luria: lol | 01:38 |
| sully | We have some of those, but unfortunately free Wifi seems to be mostly a myth | 01:38 |
| Luria | linksys doesnt translate to canadian? | 01:38 |
| sully | haha | 01:39 |
| sully | People in Toronto seem to do MAC filtering if nothing else | 01:39 |
| TomCreer | wimax? | 01:39 |
| Luria | cause linksys is my provider. | 01:39 |
| eichi | i love mplayer because it plays vides fine, which are not re-encoded for the player | 01:39 |
| TomCreer | get some wimax/wibro on the go | 01:39 |
| TomCreer | like 10mb/s mobile | 01:39 |
| sully | We have WiMax deployed here actually. But how would I access that via the 770? | 01:39 |
| TomCreer | hm you wouldn't | 01:40 |
| Luria | i hate genetal herpes commercials. what kinda actor does that? | 01:40 |
| TomCreer | it's supposed to be integrated in the intel chipsets sooner or later | 01:40 |
| sully | I saw the news post about the N800 getting Wimax care of Sprint | 01:40 |
| TomCreer | the SU-O's we have our quite big tho, and take a lot of power | 01:40 |
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| Luria | oops genital. whatever. damn valtrex commercials. | 01:40 |
| Luria | que? n800 has wimax? | 01:41 |
| disq | kagu 1.0.6 released! | 01:41 |
| TomCreer | nah n800 doesn't | 01:41 |
| Luria | i was hoping that to be the hw easter egg | 01:41 |
| sully | A revised N800 will | 01:41 |
| TomCreer | if it does i'll upgrade | 01:42 |
| sully | http://www.amazon.com/gp/blog/post/PLNK1YNB3M1T989GR | 01:42 |
| sully | After claims last year to deliver "the first fourth generation (4G) nationwide broadband mobile network," Sprint plans to deliver in 2008 by releasing and supporting a WiMAX-enabled version of the Nokia 800 Internet tablet in select US cities. Sprint also announced that companies such as Intel, LG, Samsung, and Motorola are already developing consumer products that will work with the new 4G network. | 01:42 |
| Luria | oh fuck me. | 01:42 |
| disq | editable playlists / album cover view / updated theme / filename parser if no id3 / compilation albums work / also works on the 770! | 01:42 |
| sully | sexy isn't it? | 01:42 |
| TomCreer | lol | 01:42 |
| TomCreer | nicde | 01:42 |
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| sully | I almost want to move to the States for that | 01:43 |
| Luria | there better be a damn upgrade available | 01:43 |
| pupnik | nice job disq | 01:43 |
| TomCreer | there any easy way to add tracks/dirs to the Audio Player pl? | 01:43 |
| TomCreer | doesn't say what freq wimax tho | 01:43 |
| sully | I <3 Kagu. I just need to somehow install python 2.5 | 01:43 |
| Luria | well, in the end, i still want a a717 | 01:43 |
| disq | _Monkey: python2.5? | 01:43 |
| _Monkey | python2.5 is at pymaemo.garage.maemo.org! | 01:43 |
| Luria | cant' find them unlocked tho | 01:44 |
| sully | ok I'm gonna give python 2.5 another try and bug you guys for help | 01:44 |
| disq | ok | 01:44 |
| TomCreer | anyways.. night | 01:45 |
| Luria | anyone using/used a solar panel with the n800? | 01:46 |
| sully | _Monkey: Kagu? | 01:47 |
| _Monkey | Kagu is http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kagu | 01:47 |
| Luria | _Monkey, _Monkey? | 01:47 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it i am an annoying bot | 01:47 |
| sully | lol | 01:47 |
| Luria | amen to that | 01:48 |
| disq | _Monkey: google? | 01:48 |
| _Monkey | google is my friend | 01:48 |
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| Luria | _Monkey, manual? | 01:48 |
| _Monkey | luria: bugger all, i dunno | 01:48 |
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| disq | the kagu update also includes ogg support, though you'll need to get ogg support working on the n800. (we couldn't, works on the 770 tho) | 01:50 |
| Luria | anyone using a 3g phone on att/cingular? | 01:51 |
| Luria | with the iT, obviously | 01:51 |
| Luria | _Monkey, irc? | 01:53 |
| _Monkey | irc is only a couple of days old for me | 01:53 |
| Luria | _Monkey, freenode? | 01:53 |
| _Monkey | luria: i don't know | 01:53 |
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| Luria | hmmm what else... | 01:53 |
| Luria | _Monkey, nokia? | 01:53 |
| _Monkey | nokia is in bed with all the large ones so anything Nokia releases they got to be carefull | 01:53 |
| sully | disq: I got a "Unable to install Kagu." error, though the item now appears in my 770's menu | 01:53 |
| Luria | wtf? | 01:53 |
| sully | Running it does nothing | 01:53 |
| * sully checks the ITT thread for info | 01:54 | |
| Luria | _Monkey, iphone? | 01:54 |
| _Monkey | iphone is a flashy interface made to suck money out of people on outdated technology and walled gardens | 01:54 |
| disq | sully: 770 or n800? | 01:54 |
| sully | 770 | 01:55 |
| disq | ah | 01:55 |
| disq | the gregale repository is not updated yet, so you installed 1.0.5 which is broken on the 770 | 01:55 |
| sully | gotcha :) | 01:55 |
| disq | i'm refreshing the repo index, it'll probably get updated in a few minutes, will notify you | 01:55 |
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| sully | thanks, you rock | 01:56 |
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| Luria | sigh | 02:01 |
| disq | sully: repo updated now, try again :) | 02:01 |
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| bmidgley | Luria: i have used a solar with n800... solarport 4.4 w/usb charging cable | 02:03 |
| bmidgley | Luria: should be even better with a proper auto adapter but i don't have one | 02:04 |
| sully | https://garage.maemo.org/docman/view.php/304/205/kagu.install won't load :| | 02:04 |
| sully | and just as I say that, it does | 02:05 |
| disq | :) | 02:05 |
| sully | disq: It prompted me to install 10.5 | 02:05 |
| sully | er | 02:05 |
| sully | you know what I mean | 02:05 |
| disq | yeah. erm | 02:05 |
| disq | i can see the 1.0.6 deb here: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/gregale/free/k/kagu/ | 02:06 |
| sully | Is it safe to wget that and install locally? | 02:06 |
| disq | yeah | 02:06 |
| disq | could also download from garage.maemo.org/projects/kagu | 02:06 |
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| pupnik | wow beatrix yuu ahh povahful | 02:27 |
| disq | arg, ukmp's maemoscrobbler support is incomplete | 02:36 |
| Sulis | is there any kind of astronomy software for the n800? | 02:39 |
| sully | okay, the scanner is working... | 02:39 |
| sully | got my album covers | 02:39 |
| disq | :) | 02:39 |
| sully | here goes with the player... | 02:39 |
| pupnik | Sulis if you find any with a gtk2 interface let us know | 02:39 |
| sully | uh oh, crashed | 02:39 |
| disq | where/how? | 02:40 |
| Sulis | pupnik: ah, does that mean you have searched and not found any? | 02:40 |
| sully | After "initializing osso player", it just closed | 02:40 |
| disq | can you open xterm and run "kagu" from there, to see what happened? (a ssh session would also do but run as user not root) | 02:40 |
| sully | I'm going to reboot my 770 | 02:40 |
| sully | okay | 02:40 |
| * sully twiddles his thumbs | 02:41 | |
| sully | Fatal Python error: (pygame parachute) Segmentation fault | 02:41 |
| disq | okay. mm. | 02:42 |
| disq | latest 770 firmware, right? | 02:42 |
| sully | man it's running slow now | 02:43 |
| sully | correct: 3.2006.49-2 | 02:43 |
| disq | it being the tablet? | 02:43 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it 3.2006.49-2 is the last (final) version of OS 2006 so you're up to date | 02:43 |
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| sully | yeah, the 770 | 02:44 |
| disq | probably a stray kagu process running in the background? | 02:44 |
| disq | you can hunt it down and kill it or just reboot :/ but weird error, could be related to threading (but it works for me) | 02:44 |
| sully | no stray kagu processes; interesting | 02:45 |
| disq | huh | 02:45 |
| disq | it is | 02:45 |
| sully | I got two runtime warnings | 02:45 |
| pupnik | Sulis no, but if you find some interesting linux software, it's always fun to try compiling it for ITOS | 02:45 |
| sully | one for "import cdrom" and one for "import joystick" | 02:46 |
| disq | don't mind them | 02:46 |
| sully | yeah I figured those were safe | 02:46 |
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| Sulis | pupnik: ah, kay, i'l look around | 02:46 |
| sp3000 | "import beer" | 02:46 |
| sp3000 | (that would be rather critical) | 02:47 |
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| Emh5945 | Is there a way to get swfdec or gnash running with minimo? | 03:14 |
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| Blacksitox | re | 03:25 |
| NeoStrider | hey | 03:26 |
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| NeoStrider | hey | 03:44 |
| MCCob | hello :) | 03:44 |
| MCCob | hello guardian ;) | 03:44 |
| MCCob | a and guerby | 03:44 |
| NeoStrider | you guys know how can I #IFDEF that my app is running on device | 03:44 |
| MCCob | (from France) | 03:44 |
| NeoStrider | s/device/device?/ | 03:45 |
| infobot | NeoStrider meant: you guys know how can I #IFDEF that my app is running on device? | 03:45 |
| MCCob | Does anyone know if there is a Gmail Notifier for OS 2006 (and N 770) ? | 03:46 |
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| pupnik | ifdef is a compile time option, not a runtime option infobot | 03:48 |
| pupnik | i mean NeoStrider | 03:48 |
| MCCob | Too late for neostrider I think ;) | 03:48 |
| pupnik | gah i /am/ tired | 03:49 |
| erstazi | MCCob: that would be a neat applet to make, but I am sure there is one out there, have you checked http://maemo.org? | 03:50 |
| MCCob | yep | 03:51 |
| erstazi | pupnik, I am tired as well, but you have to be *really* tired being GMT+3 | 03:51 |
| MCCob | There is an applet for N800 (OS 2007) | 03:51 |
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| MCCob | but not for OS 2006 | 03:51 |
| erstazi | MCCob, I will have to port it then for OS2006 heh | 03:51 |
| MCCob | :) | 03:51 |
| MCCob | so cool :) | 03:51 |
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| pupnik | #maemo is one of few places where you can get a port just by asking :) | 03:52 |
| MCCob | Oooo ! | 03:52 |
| erstazi | well, I would not mind porting it because I would use it myself | 03:52 |
| MCCob | Ok more difficult | 03:53 |
| MCCob | I want the last release of Minimo for OS 2006 | 03:53 |
| MCCob | :) | 03:53 |
| erstazi | MCCob, you said you are from france, is this correct? | 03:53 |
| MCCob | Yeah :) | 03:53 |
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| erstazi | _Monkey: tell MCCob about minimo | 03:53 |
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| erstazi | MCCob, _Monkey (a bot) pm'ed you with info about minimo | 03:54 |
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| MCCob | I have minimo | 03:54 |
| erstazi | ok nevermind heh | 03:54 |
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| MCCob | but it isn't the _last_ release ;) | 03:54 |
| erstazi | ah | 03:55 |
| erstazi | that would be a project that I would not be able to take on myself | 03:55 |
| MCCob | Yep, Minimo is a hard to developp software :) | 03:55 |
| MCCob | but Gmail notifier must be much easier ! http://www.flickr.com/photos/atmasphere/462203848/ :) | 03:56 |
| MCCob | also another Question :) | 03:56 |
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| erstazi | MCCob, I am looking at the gmail notifier at this moment, shoot your question | 03:56 |
| BigMac | Hey, anyway to uninstall gtalk/stop it from loading on start up? | 03:57 |
| MCCob | I've downloaded GPSDrive deb here : http://www.elisanet.fi/tapio.tolvanen/nokia770.html | 03:57 |
| MCCob | but package make error while installing them | 03:57 |
| erstazi | I haven't messed with GPS yet, so I am not to sure about that one | 03:57 |
| erstazi | MCCob, is it for OS2006 also? | 03:57 |
| MCCob | particulary maemo-libpcre3_0.0.1_arm.deb | 03:57 |
| erstazi | MCCob, is Gmailmon what you mean? | 03:58 |
| MCCob | Gmailmon isn't Gmail Notifier I think but I can be acceptable also ;) | 03:58 |
| MCCob | If you see what I mean | 03:58 |
| erstazi | yes I do | 03:58 |
| MCCob | cool :) | 03:59 |
| MCCob | I think Gmail Notifier is a software developped by Nokia and released on tableeter | 03:59 |
| erstazi | ah | 04:00 |
| MCCob | GmailMon is an application developp for OS 2005 I Think | 04:00 |
| erstazi | let me see if they give source code | 04:00 |
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| MCCob | and GmailMon is available here : http://www.tabletcorner.com/nokia770/products.html but package must be build for OS 2005 | 04:03 |
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| MCCob | and (finally :) ) I think "official" Gmail Notifier (by Nokia ?) must be better | 04:03 |
| erstazi | MCCob, hmm, it runs on OS2006 though | 04:04 |
| erstazi | the GmailMon,... but I think the Gmail Notifier will be a better choice of course | 04:04 |
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| MCCob | when I try to install gmailmon, apt-get visual interface say to me : uncompatible deb (in French), and logs say ; "Package must have "Section: user:FOO" to be considered compatible" | 04:06 |
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| erstazi | ah | 04:08 |
| MCCob | so ? :) | 04:08 |
| MCCob | You found anything about Gmail Notifier ? | 04:10 |
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| erstazi | MCCob, is it mnotify | 04:11 |
| erstazi | ? | 04:11 |
| MCCob | yees ! | 04:11 |
| MCCob | http://bp0.blogger.com/_Ki_XGZxWsq4/RsNdpciefzI/AAAAAAAABsE/AIOfo_Q8nhc/s1600-h/screenshot02.png | 04:12 |
| MCCob | We can see it here | 04:12 |
| erstazi | MCCob, its closed source (meaning nokia did not release the source code) but I can attempt to make an applet for it | 04:13 |
| erstazi | MCCob: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/pool/bora/user/source/m/mnotify/ | 04:13 |
| MCCob | Thank's a lot | 04:13 |
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| MCCob | Why Nokia don't relaese source code ! ? | 04:14 |
| erstazi | that would be where the sources would be, I see the debs in the other directory but its not released, or I can ask the maintainer for the source code but it might fall on deaf ears | 04:14 |
| erstazi | MCCob, proprietary | 04:14 |
| MCCob | They release source code for maemo and no for this ?! | 04:14 |
| MCCob | erstazi, and you, where are you from ? | 04:14 |
| erstazi | MCCob, yes, that happens, not everything is OSS (: I am from the USA | 04:15 |
| MCCob | ok :) You will have 2 Ghz wiMax soon with Sprint ;) | 04:15 |
| MCCob | Nokia source manager doesn't listen community ? | 04:16 |
| erstazi | MCCob, it doesn't matter what the maintainers opinion was, Nokia made it proprietary and did not release the source code | 04:17 |
| MCCob | ok ok ok ;) | 04:17 |
| MCCob | so that's strange... | 04:17 |
| erstazi | MCCob, does the follow URL look interesting? http://www.tabletcorner.com/nokia770/guides/gmm_usersguide.html | 04:17 |
| erstazi | I understand you want the gmail notifer in the toolbar at the top | 04:18 |
| high_roller | is anyone running os2007 on their 770? | 04:18 |
| MCCob | not me | 04:18 |
| erstazi | high_roller, some are but not all | 04:18 |
| erstazi | high_roller, some even dual boot both OS2006 and OS2007HE | 04:18 |
| high_roller | is it worth it? | 04:19 |
| erstazi | high_roller, personally, I don't see the worth, I kept OS2006 | 04:19 |
| MCCob | erstazi> I see that, but I think a Python lib can't solve problem in application manager while problem installing a deb file.... | 04:19 |
| erstazi | MCCob, hmm, I am not sure, let me check some more things | 04:19 |
| high_roller | to dual boot you need a 1gb mem card right? | 04:19 |
| erstazi | high_roller, its suggested, a 2gb rs-mmc card is only $20 USD last I checked | 04:20 |
| high_roller | oh nice | 04:21 |
| MCCob | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_GetStartedWithSardine | 04:21 |
| MCCob | "Realistically, a 512MB memory card." | 04:21 |
| MCCob | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_dualboot_bora.html | 04:21 |
| MCCob | "256 Mb MMC card (minimum)" | 04:21 |
| MCCob | "ask google ;)" | 04:21 |
| MCCob | $20 ! | 04:22 |
| high_roller | i'm on my 770 now | 04:22 |
| high_roller | just seeing how good chat is | 04:22 |
| erstazi | high_roller, did you just receive your 770? | 04:22 |
| high_roller | i got mine from woot | 04:23 |
| MCCob | In France, a 2 Gb RS-MMC is about 40 € (about $53) | 04:23 |
| high_roller | about a month ago | 04:24 |
| MCCob | like me :) | 04:24 |
| MCCob | so bedtime | 04:24 |
| MCCob | bye ! | 04:24 |
| high_roller | bye | 04:25 |
| erstazi | MCCob, I will try working on that tonight | 04:25 |
| erstazi | MCCob, but I might get tired myself, talk to you later | 04:25 |
| MCCob | ok ok | 04:26 |
| MCCob | I will go back ;) | 04:26 |
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| MCCob | "take your time" | 04:27 |
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| zodttd | Hi pupnik. Just heard about the issues you had with cdrmooby | 04:32 |
| pupnik | hi | 04:32 |
| pupnik | author said he fixed it in 2003 | 04:32 |
| zodttd | I had other issues with it too | 04:32 |
| pupnik | aah | 04:33 |
| zodttd | I landed up reverting to my own "plugin" I wrote. But it did work with .z / .bin | 04:33 |
| zodttd | What happens exactly when it fails? | 04:33 |
| zodttd | Also, for better performance, try Dr Hells Soft GPU ;) | 04:34 |
| pupnik | 'Read past EOF' | 04:34 |
| pupnik | i have only tested with a few PD isos | 04:34 |
| pupnik | transferring large isos at 200kB/s is a pain | 04:34 |
| zodttd | PCSX also has a BIAS define, edit it to underclock the psx timers | 04:34 |
| zodttd | Ahhh | 04:34 |
| pupnik | well the error only occurs on the small isos | 04:35 |
| pupnik | ok will do that | 04:35 |
| zodttd | Weird, but I can see that | 04:35 |
| pupnik | Dr. Hells is available for DL? | 04:35 |
| zodttd | Yup | 04:35 |
| zodttd | http://members.at.infoseek.co.jp/DrHell/labo/index.html | 04:35 |
| zodttd | I wonder if my dynarec works well on the OMAP, havent tested it on it | 04:36 |
| pupnik | does lowering samplerate on the SPU help performance much? | 04:38 |
| pupnik | i got rid of stuttering on freesci by going down to 11025 mono on the adlib opl2 synth - sounds surprisingly good | 04:40 |
| zodttd | Not really | 04:40 |
| zodttd | Depends on the SPU though | 04:40 |
| zodttd | You using Pete's? | 04:40 |
| pupnik | yes | 04:40 |
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| zodttd | I used Pete's at first. It can be made faster, as Franxis basically rewrote the SPU for us. | 04:41 |
| zodttd | What will be tempting, is when you get a real PSX commercial game running with a BIAS set high | 04:41 |
| zodttd | It will go through menu's and such very fast | 04:41 |
| zodttd | From your 2fps to 20 :P | 04:41 |
| zodttd | Problem is, it makes things extremely incompatible | 04:42 |
| zodttd | Which is what took me ages to figure out. The counters.c are poorly designed but correctly done | 04:42 |
| zodttd | Except! | 04:42 |
| NeoStrider | hey folks!!!! | 04:43 |
| zodttd | If you use that SPU_Async ;) | 04:43 |
| NeoStrider | angstron just got BETA!!!! | 04:43 |
| NeoStrider | finished everything | 04:43 |
| NeoStrider | made a good packing, bulding the levels inside the .deb | 04:43 |
| zodttd | If SPU_Async is tied into the root counters of pcsx then it triggers an interrupt way too often | 04:43 |
| NeoStrider | very easy | 04:43 |
| pupnik | ahh | 04:43 |
| zodttd | NeoStrider: awesome. Congrats RP | 04:43 |
| yllus | Someone needs to port Zuma to the Nokia ITs :o | 04:44 |
| zodttd | Someone would need to release the source or get a really freaky recompiler for X86 on ARM, and thats not happenin ;) | 04:44 |
| zodttd | Unfortunately WindowsBox doesnt exist :P | 04:45 |
| pupnik | i'll build dr hell into this and take a look at your tips | 04:45 |
| pupnik | but i'm not going to spend very much time on pcsx | 04:46 |
| zodttd | pupnik: I'm about to get a lot of stuff rewritten in my emulator. I'll try to get you on our SVN when its up. | 04:46 |
| pupnik | did some work on the config menus | 04:46 |
| Radar | has no one created the .deb firefox plugins for MicroB yet? | 04:46 |
| pupnik | cool zodttd | 04:47 |
| zodttd | :) | 04:47 |
| NeoStrider | 770 packaging system doesnt handle checksums? | 04:48 |
| zodttd | To be honest, if you get about 2 FPS on a N770, I wouldnt worry about fixing it up. It took years to get from PCSX to where psx4all is now. I rather have you manage a psx4nokia port then have you go through the trouble. | 04:49 |
| zodttd | It was 2 FPS and less when I first ported PCSX to the GP2X though. Sometimes games got 5, that was after some work too. | 04:49 |
| pupnik | yes, i wanted an 'unoptimized baseline psx emulator' so we could compare psx4all to it | 04:49 |
| zodttd | Heh :) | 04:50 |
| trevarthan | new kagu release if you all hadn't noticed yet: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9007 | 04:50 |
| zodttd | Im suprised you got PCSX working though, as theres a few bugs and lots of wrong ways of porting it | 04:51 |
| pupnik | it was probably good that i didn't know what i was getting into | 04:51 |
| zodttd | Im still suprised nobody used that OMAP processor overclocker on the Nokia N770/800 | 04:52 |
| pupnik | we have had reports from nokia that they weren't able to get much OCing out of it | 04:52 |
| zodttd | I basically started psx4all when I ported PCSX to the Tapwave Zodiac over one night, and kept trying to improve it until it became something completely different. :P | 04:53 |
| zodttd | Ahhh. Could very well be true | 04:53 |
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| Luria | anyone know how to decompile a vkb file? | 04:54 |
| pupnik | what's a good way to stay in touch about splitting-up work on this zodttd ? | 04:55 |
| pupnik | there are a couple of tricks i can share for fast rendering/blitting | 04:56 |
| NeoStrider | pupnik: have you worked on the data packages for smw? | 04:56 |
| NeoStrider | I just solved that issue for angstron | 04:56 |
| pupnik | otherwise it's pretty straightforward linux | 04:56 |
| NeoStrider | "one package does it all" | 04:56 |
| pupnik | NeoStrider: for packaging? no | 04:56 |
| NeoStrider | quite easy | 04:56 |
| pupnik | do you prompt for the data directory? | 04:57 |
| NeoStrider | just hacked the .deb | 04:57 |
| NeoStrider | added the filed in ./usr/share/angstron | 04:57 |
| NeoStrider | the .deb already had the structured...I just dropped the files there | 04:57 |
| NeoStrider | that you can do in 2 minutes! | 04:57 |
| pupnik | i've merged data plus program debs from another game | 04:57 |
| pupnik | but the right way (imo) is to prompt user for game data directory | 04:58 |
| pupnik | also with smw there are many user-designed levels, which probably shoudln't go into /usr/share | 04:59 |
| NeoStrider | my plan is to provide to versions | 04:59 |
| NeoStrider | one for the average joe | 04:59 |
| NeoStrider | and other for the power user | 05:00 |
| NeoStrider | the poweruser version look for datafiles on the mmc card | 05:00 |
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| * Darksmurf should get his 770 monday :-D I modified a usb keyboard to add a USB A female socket. Worked fine, added more superglue and it dripped into the connector. Have to re-do the work :-( | 05:04 | |
| vmarks | superglue is brittle. I would have used a hotmelt that has some flex to it. | 05:05 |
| vmarks | /marthastewart | 05:06 |
| Darksmurf | Good idea. I'll give that a go when I rip this out and fix it. | 05:06 |
| Darksmurf | I'm worried how well it will adhere (sp?) to the metel of the usb connector. | 05:06 |
| vmarks | there are hotmelts that do good metal adherence. | 05:07 |
| BigMac | Hey, anyway to uninstall gtalk/stop it from loading on start up? | 05:07 |
| Luria | wow. yanks are only four back. | 05:08 |
| erstazi | hmm | 05:13 |
| erstazi | so, I think porting a statusbar app to OS2006 from OS2007 wasn't going to be this difficult but I am surprised by the required libraries and 100% of them are in need of update, but if they released the source code, I could start from scratch | 05:14 |
| Luria | somehow it seems that microb has gotten worse when it comes to scrolling (with the obvious exception of the keyboard popup thing) | 05:14 |
| NeoStrider | hey guys, check it out! | 05:16 |
| NeoStrider | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1983/angstron_a5_armel.deb | 05:16 |
| pupnik | will do NeoStrider | 05:17 |
| trevarthan | Luria: yeah, and all you need to do to crash microb is visit ITT and browse around a bit. then boom! | 05:20 |
| Luria | i got a better one | 05:22 |
| Luria | anyone wanna test a bug? dunno if it's filed. | 05:22 |
| Luria | got to gmail, type in your name, hit tab to switch fields, type in your password | 05:24 |
| Luria | got=go | 05:25 |
| erstazi | I got a better one, install an app through ssh with unmet libraries and you cannot use applicaton manager on your tablet | 05:25 |
| Luria | password should appear as plaintext in key/thumb board | 05:25 |
| Luria | well, i was talking about fixable things in microb. the pack manager is beyond help. | 05:27 |
| erstazi | Luria, haha I am just playing, but that did happen though | 05:27 |
| Luria | i should reread that arrl book. i think im gonna take the technician test tomorrow | 05:30 |
| Luria | anyone still use gizmo on the n800? | 05:36 |
| rwhitby | Luria: I do | 05:40 |
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| user__ | anyone running orb? | 05:42 |
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| Luria | rwhitby, if i may ask, why? | 05:44 |
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| rwhitby | cause it uses the standard SIP protocol, rather than a proprietary Skype protocol, and it's EULA doesn't require me to allow Skype to use my computer and network to route other people's calls. | 05:45 |
| rwhitby | Since it's SIP, it interoperates with a softphone on my laptop, a hardware ATA adapter at my home, and a usb handset attached to an NSLU2, and the Gizmo presence client that runs on my Treo650. | 05:47 |
| rwhitby | (and any of the other million different things that interoperate with the open IETF SIP standard. | 05:48 |
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| Luria | oh - you misunderstand me | 05:49 |
| Luria | i understand why you use sip | 05:49 |
| Luria | but i would have thought most here would have switched to rtcomm | 05:49 |
| Luria | i was just wondering if any n800 users are still using the full client | 05:50 |
| rwhitby | ah, I have loaded rtcomm, but haven't really tested it out yet. | 05:51 |
| rwhitby | (sorry for the misunderstanding) | 05:51 |
| Luria | no prob. i've ranted against skype a few times too ;-) | 05:52 |
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| Rocketman | Any ORB users here? | 05:57 |
| erstazi | Rocketman, user_ is an orb user (: | 05:57 |
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| BigMac | Rocketman: Yah, just set i up today | 06:05 |
| BigMac | Anyone know if any bluetooth headsets work with the 770 yet? | 06:06 |
| Rocketman | Do you have volume issues with video in Orb, sometimes? | 06:08 |
| BigMac | Yes, it is very low | 06:09 |
| BigMac | I usually just pop in headphones, then it sounds fine | 06:09 |
| Rocketman | yeah, I have the volume at max most the time and can hardly hear it | 06:10 |
| BigMac | Rocketman: Yup, just plug in some headphones | 06:10 |
| Rocketman | ...but I like my speakers! | 06:11 |
| BigMac | Rocketman: Ah, ok | 06:11 |
| Rocketman | I also get a "Video resolution not supported" message when using MicroB | 06:13 |
| yllus | That'll teach you. | 06:14 |
| Rocketman | I have to use Opera to get it to work | 06:14 |
| BigMac | So is there any headset support for the 770? | 06:15 |
| BigMac | wired or not | 06:15 |
| Blacksitox | bye | 06:18 |
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| Luria | can someone dcc me a smoke? | 06:39 |
| Blacksito | gcc on n800? | 06:40 |
| BigMac | DCC SEND LURIA_A_SMOKE_AND_A_LIGHTER | 06:40 |
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| erstazi | Luria: pall mall 100? | 06:40 |
| BigMac | there ya go | 06:40 |
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| Luria | ill take whatever | 06:41 |
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| else58 | Anybody know why ping is root only? | 07:17 |
| else58 | I get "ping: permission denied. (are you root?)" | 07:17 |
| else58 | and it works fine as root | 07:18 |
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| Luria | you could add it to sudoers | 07:23 |
| Luria | or just su ping | 07:23 |
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| else58 | Thanks, will do. | 07:28 |
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| BigMac | So is there any headset support for the 770? | 07:39 |
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| Luria | hmm... this is actually one of the larger freenode channels. interesting. | 07:48 |
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| kreig | else58: ICMP packet creation usually requires root prics, that is why ping requires root. On many systems it is setuid root, or used to be back in the day | 08:00 |
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| else58 | kreig, strange, I've only seen ping flood restricted... | 08:14 |
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| BigMac | So is there any headset support for the 770? | 08:22 |
| rik | hi all. | 08:32 |
| _Monkey | hi all. is, like, there a decent flickr mass uploader for the n800 ye | 08:32 |
| * rik peers at _Monkey | 08:32 | |
| rik | _Monkey: status | 08:32 |
| _Monkey | Since Sat Aug 11 20:55:03 2007, there have been 747 modifications and 204 questions. I have been awake for 8 days, 9 hours, 35 minutes, 18 seconds this session, and currently reference 4135 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode. | 08:32 |
| rik | i thought so. i suspect that was one of my comments, too :( | 08:33 |
| rik | i know that the answer is no, so far. | 08:33 |
| rik | _Monkey: forget hi all. | 08:33 |
| _Monkey | rik, I didn't have anything matching hi all | 08:33 |
| * rik shrugs | 08:33 | |
| rik | so, anyone know anything about canola, and the codecs it can use? lovely interface, but doesn't appear to be able to see any of my video files.on the other hand, mplayer, with its sucky interface, shows me my media and plays it. what's the deal with canola? | 08:34 |
| Luria | _Monkey, nokia? | 08:37 |
| _Monkey | nokia is in bed with all the large ones so anything Nokia releases they got to be carefull | 08:37 |
| Luria | i dunno who did that but it's so nonsensical to be absurd. | 08:38 |
| Luria | absurd = amusing | 08:39 |
| BigMac | So is there any headset support for the 770? | 08:41 |
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| timely | rik: hi all and friends are greetings | 08:44 |
| timely | they're a different module | 08:44 |
| rik | they are? | 08:44 |
| rik | well. that would make sense. | 08:44 |
| rik | what are the modules called? :) | 08:44 |
| timely | Luria: fwiw, I wouldn't call any of the betas "parts of chinook" | 08:46 |
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| timely | that presumes you or someone else understands what chinook will be. and even I don't | 08:46 |
| Luria | we | 08:46 |
| timely | sparr: I haven't seen *any* testing of dist-upgrade, so I doubt it. | 08:47 |
| Luria | well, iirc, rtcomm describes itself that way | 08:47 |
| Luria | btw, timely, the password cleartext thing is a known microb bug, yes? | 08:50 |
| timely | _Monkey: literal pidgins | 08:51 |
| _Monkey | timely: pidgins =are= flying rats in NYC | 08:51 |
| pigeon | koo koo | 08:52 |
| rik | timely: what are the canola codec packages called? nothing obvious showed up in package manager when searching for canola. | 08:52 |
| Luria | damnflyingrats | 08:52 |
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| pigeon | :( | 08:54 |
| Luria | oh... case in point: http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ | 08:54 |
| Luria | "This software will be officially included in maemo 4.0 Chinook release." | 08:54 |
| Luria | pigeon, why are you always lying around dead with your guts hanging out in central park? | 08:55 |
| pigeon | that wasn't me, i swear, that was just my clone... | 08:55 |
| timely | _Monkey: forget pidgins | 08:56 |
| _Monkey | timely: I forgot pidgins | 08:56 |
| timely | _Monkey: literal irc | 08:56 |
| _Monkey | timely: irc =is= only a couple of days old for me | 08:56 |
| timely | _Monkey: forget irc | 08:56 |
| _Monkey | timely: I forgot irc | 08:56 |
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| timely | _Monkey: irc is Internet Relay Chat, http://irchelp.org, if you can see this message, you're using it. | 08:56 |
| _Monkey | OK, timely. | 08:56 |
| rik | lol | 08:56 |
| Luria | _Monkey, nokia? | 08:56 |
| _Monkey | i heard nokia was in bed with all the large ones so anything Nokia releases they got to be carefull | 08:56 |
| timely | _Monkey forget nokia | 08:57 |
| _Monkey | timely: I forgot nokia | 08:57 |
| Luria | what did that even mean? | 08:57 |
| timely | _Monkey Nokia is a company. It also sponsors maemo using sales of N800s. Buy one. Buy two! | 08:57 |
| _Monkey | OK, timely. | 08:57 |
| timely | Luria: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2007-07-07.log.html | 08:58 |
| timely | search for the string | 08:58 |
| timely | Charbax said it about 1/6th into the log | 08:58 |
| Luria | ok | 08:59 |
| Luria | re: what? | 08:59 |
| timely | "what did that ever mean" | 08:59 |
| Luria | ah | 08:59 |
| timely | _Monkey learns by passively listening | 08:59 |
| _Monkey | timely: i'm not following you... | 08:59 |
| timely | indeed | 08:59 |
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| timely | 95% of all knowledge in the bot should appear in this channel's log | 08:59 |
| timely | you can do private address in /query, which wouldn't appear in the log | 09:00 |
| timely | and you can do =~ s/x/y/ replacement which would mean the log wouldn't show exact matches to the resultant string. But most people don't | 09:00 |
| timely | heck, even I don't most of the time | 09:00 |
| * rik uninstalls canola and reinstalls, not certain that he rebooted after install, before testing. | 09:04 | |
| Luria | er... timely, about that microb thing? | 09:04 |
| Luria | its a known bug? | 09:04 |
| timely | which? | 09:05 |
| timely | fwiw, I'm going to try to file bugs I know about into bugs.maemo so people won't have to ask me if I know about bugs :). | 09:06 |
| Luria | oh. go to a site, tap to enter your user name, hit tab on the keyboad to go to the password entry box (not tap) | 09:06 |
| Luria | it goes clear | 09:07 |
| timely | vkb or fkb? | 09:07 |
| Luria | fkb, and autocomplete | 09:07 |
| Luria | for vkb | 09:07 |
| Luria | go to gmail.com and try | 09:07 |
| timely | i need to go to work, we haven't shipped microb for 770 and that's all i have handy amt | 09:08 |
| timely | s/mt$/tm/ | 09:08 |
| Luria | type in some random name with vkb and hit tab on the vkb | 09:08 |
| Luria | ive been trying to find someone to replicate this, but no one listens to me :-( | 09:08 |
| timely | o | 09:08 |
| timely | i'll be at work in ~20mins | 09:09 |
| Luria | its really a vkb problem, but if you switch from vkb to fkb, the text is displayed | 09:11 |
| timely | anyway. i'm off, i'll grab a device at work and have you guide me through steps | 09:11 |
| Luria | sure | 09:11 |
| timely | btw, does: data:text/html,<input><input type=password> | 09:11 |
| timely | work as a testcase? | 09:11 |
| timely | it's preferred over something annoying like gmail | 09:11 |
| Luria | i just noticed it | 09:12 |
| Luria | i assume its because the tap registers in a non hidden field and then never checks again b/c a keypress shifts the input field | 09:13 |
| Luria | rather than another tap | 09:13 |
| timely | heh, great | 09:13 |
| Luria | so the text is starred in the field, but the password displays on the bottom of the screen :-( | 09:14 |
| Luria | under the vkb, of course | 09:14 |
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| Luria | .8-3, btw | 09:15 |
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| BigMac | So is there any headset support for the 770? | 09:31 |
| keesj | Hi | 09:35 |
| sparr | its so sad that dist-upgrade doesnt just work | 09:36 |
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| timeless | luria: ok, i'm at work | 09:42 |
| timeless | i'm /slowly/ trying to install microb | 09:42 |
| timeless | looks like i get to file bugs as i go | 09:42 |
| timeless | each bug takes 10mins minimum to file, this may take a while | 09:42 |
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| Luria | i understand | 09:46 |
| BigMac | I find it hard to believe nobody has any idea if headsets work... | 09:46 |
| Luria | dont have a 770, and most of the channel is asleep | 09:48 |
| rik | gah. i uninstalled canola to reinstall, because i don't remember rebooting. now it won't reinstall. about 3/4 of the way in it stop with "cannot install canola" | 09:49 |
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| Luria | i like ukmp | 09:53 |
| BigMac | Luria: I have been asking for most of the day | 09:53 |
| sparr | i have a 770 | 09:54 |
| sparr | and i have no idea if headsets work | 09:54 |
| sparr | by which i assume you mean bluetooth headsets | 09:54 |
| sparr | rik: install from a console | 09:54 |
| BigMac | I have been asking since 11 at the least | 09:54 |
| BigMac | or if there is a wired alternative | 09:54 |
| BigMac | I don't really care, I just need a headset for gizmo | 09:55 |
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| kulve | BigMac: afaik, at least no bt headset support | 09:55 |
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| BigMac | kulve: But ebay has headsets for the 770 supposedly | 09:56 |
| kulve | ok | 09:57 |
| BigMac | so I am not sure which to go by | 09:57 |
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| Luria | timeless, im about to head off to sleep... you see what i was talking about? | 10:01 |
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| kulve | BigMac: have you found any article/blog/whatever with google saying that the bt headset works? | 10:03 |
| BigMac | Nope, not of the few I have seen | 10:06 |
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| Luria | ah, how you do manage glib and deeply insightful at the same time. | 10:21 |
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| timeless | luria: sorry, got stuck w/ a more pressing problem | 10:27 |
| Luria | np | 10:28 |
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| rik | bah. | 10:30 |
| rik | so my issue is: | 10:30 |
| rik | chage: can't open shadow password fileStopped: `/usr/bin/chage -M 99999 avahi' returned error code 1. Exiting. | 10:30 |
| rik | that's while installing avahi as part of canola. | 10:31 |
| rik | not sure what could cause it though. i'm too much of a newbie. | 10:31 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:07 |
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| timeless | mn #dreamhost yet another pastebin?? | 11:12 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all | 11:33 |
| guardian | hi maemo | 11:34 |
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| timeless | Description: MicroB engine for OSSO browser | 11:34 |
| timeless | This package depends on all the packages necessary to install the MicroB engine. | 11:34 |
| timeless | . | 11:34 |
| timeless | Installing this package should change the default engine from Opera to MicroB. | 11:34 |
| timeless | You can change between engines by selecting another engine from the Set Engine | 11:34 |
| timeless | menu in the application menu and restarting the browser. The menu does not | 11:34 |
| timeless | indicate the current engine. Load about: in the browser to determine your | 11:34 |
| timeless | current engine. | 11:34 |
| timeless | how bad does that sound? | 11:34 |
| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:35 |
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| timeless | Description: MicroB engine for OSSO browser | 11:38 |
| timeless | This package depends on all the packages necessary to install the MicroB | 11:38 |
| timeless | engine- Based on the Mozilla Gecko rendering engine which will be part of | 11:38 |
| timeless | Firefox 3. | 11:38 |
| timeless | . | 11:38 |
| timeless | Installing this package should change the default engine from Opera to MicroB. | 11:38 |
| timeless | You can change between engines by selecting another engine from the Set Engine | 11:38 |
| timeless | menu in the application menu and restarting the browser. The menu does not | 11:38 |
| timeless | indicate the current engine. Load about: in the browser to determine your | 11:39 |
| timeless | current engine. | 11:39 |
| * timeless looks for someone to wordsmith or nitpick or something | 11:39 | |
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| keesj | :P not me ;P | 11:42 |
| timeless | Description: MicroB engine for OSSO browser | 11:42 |
| timeless | This package depends on all the packages necessary to install the MicroB | 11:42 |
| timeless | engine. MicroB is based on the Mozilla Gecko rendering engine which will be | 11:42 |
| timeless | part of Firefox 3. | 11:42 |
| timeless | . | 11:42 |
| timeless | Installing this package should change the default engine from Opera to MicroB. | 11:42 |
| timeless | You can change between engines by selecting another engine from the Set Engine | 11:42 |
| timeless | menu in the application menu and restarting the browser. The menu does not | 11:42 |
| timeless | indicate the current engine. Load about: in the browser to determine your | 11:42 |
| timeless | current engine. | 11:43 |
| timeless | is what i've settled on | 11:43 |
| keesj | btw I solved my browser not working issue by removing the .browser file | 11:43 |
| timeless | people w// objections should speak now, or hold their peace for at least one release | 11:43 |
| timeless | keesj: interesting | 11:43 |
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| keesj | one I saw it worked I tried to find out what was wrong with the .browser file. the problem is that I have lost it by now :( , I think there where lines like browser=opera and some storage location /media/mmc2 . I do have a codedump + log message but I guess thats of no use :( | 11:46 |
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| timeless | coredump? | 11:47 |
| timeless | theoretically i can get someone to investigate those | 11:47 |
| timeless | however, we're not spending any time on opera | 11:47 |
| timeless | so if it was an opera related crash, i mostly have deaf ears available | 11:48 |
| timeless | sorry :) | 11:48 |
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| keesj | I don't think I was using opera, at least I was not trying :p | 11:48 |
| timeless | heh | 11:48 |
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| timeless | well, provide a url and i'll find someone to look. log + coredump is best if you have | 11:49 |
| keesj | here http://www.keesj.dds.nl/core-dumps/ | 11:49 |
| timeless | message shared.. | 11:50 |
| * timeless sighs | 11:50 | |
| timeless | 2. configure and enable wifi access to the internet | 11:50 |
| timeless | that step isn't as easy to do as it was to write into my bug report | 11:50 |
| rik | hm. i wonder why avahi is failing to install | 11:55 |
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| keesj | timeless: I managed to "recover" the .browser file. now when I try to reproducs the bug the .browser file gets overridden any tips to prevent that? | 12:04 |
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| keesj | ok if I boot and copy the .browser file over the existing and start my browser I get the internal error. Appication 'Web' closed | 12:06 |
| keesj | this is my file when it fails , perhaps something is running out ot sync? http://www.keesj.dds.nl/core-dumps/bowser_fails | 12:06 |
| timeless | well, w/ engine=opera, i'd *assume* that it's loading opera | 12:07 |
| timeless | strace -f would tell | 12:07 |
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| keesj | any I am very happy it works! and having a good open-source browser in the embeded world was really a missing link! | 12:12 |
| timeless | oh, detail | 12:13 |
| timeless | when the browser quits, it overwrites .browser | 12:13 |
| timeless | so *never* try to change the file while it's running :) | 12:13 |
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| keesj | can't touch this la la la la. the ajax drag-drop demo page crashes on me :p | 12:17 |
| timeless | someone complained about that | 12:18 |
| timeless | lemme file my bug about application manager sucking first | 12:18 |
| timeless | oh, doh | 12:19 |
| timeless | no wonder this didn't work | 12:19 |
| * timeless was trying to install on 3.2007 | 12:19 | |
| * timeless already has microb on 3.2007 | 12:19 | |
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| timeless | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1863 in case people were curious | 12:25 |
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| timeless | fwiw, the first stack you gave was a crash in opera | 12:52 |
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| Tu13es | hmm | 15:00 |
| Tu13es | I just got an idea | 15:00 |
| Tu13es | not sure if it's silly | 15:00 |
| Tu13es | but, it would be handy if, while I was on my PC and I came across something I wanted to view on my tablet, if I could do a "send link to tablet" or something | 15:00 |
| Tu13es | I guess I could just IM it to myself | 15:01 |
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| timeless | you could use google bookmarks :) | 15:11 |
| timeless | or you could use any web2.0 bookmark sharing service | 15:11 |
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| Tu13es | yeah, but like, it would be nice if I could just click a button or such and have it appear on the tablet's clipboard without having to do anything | 15:13 |
| timeless | personally i like having the ability to add "reformat my computer" buttons to my clipboard | 15:15 |
| timeless | so i can accidentally paste the command to do that | 15:15 |
| melmoth | Grumble | 15:16 |
| timeless | i mean, you're free to implement it, but it's a fairly bad idea | 15:16 |
| melmoth | did you all just receive a 'You have been unsubscribed from the maemo-users mailing list' as well ? | 15:16 |
| timeless | heh | 15:16 |
| timeless | i wasn't subscribed | 15:16 |
| melmoth | :) | 15:16 |
| timeless | do i have to be subscribed to get an unsubscribed message? | 15:16 |
| melmoth | i was,and just received one of those. | 15:16 |
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| kulve | Tu13es: ssh myn800 dbus-send the-message-mentioned-in-maemo-list-to-open-link-in-browser | 15:17 |
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| kulve | Re: Launching browser from Xterm | 15:18 |
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| disq | morning/hi | 15:25 |
| Cyorxamp | Lo, hypathetical quesion! :D I just bought the E65 and will buy the N800 soon (I had a change of heart)... | 15:25 |
| Cyorxamp | Could I get the E65 to connect to 3G, the N800 gets that via BT... and the N800 broadcasts it via WiFi | 15:26 |
| Cyorxamp | i.e. a wi-fi access point or simply just ad-hoc | 15:26 |
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| kulve | Cyorxamp: you would need to compile a kernel with nat support, but otherwise I think it shouldn't be a problem.. | 15:27 |
| kulve | with ad-hoc | 15:27 |
| Cyorxamp | easier said than done :D | 15:27 |
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| Cyorxamp | I like the sound of it tho, a portable wifi router :D | 15:27 |
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| Cyorxamp | I'm going to put it down to a 'No' for now - I'm not exactly a linux kernel expert | 15:28 |
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| kulve | I'm sure somebody can compile it for you. It's not a big deal though. I think there's a wiki page in maemo.org about compiling the kernel | 15:30 |
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| Cyorxamp | No it sounds like a dreadful 'adventure' that will only end in tears | 15:32 |
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| Cyorxamp | At the least the first part isn't a problem right? The N800 getting the internet over BT from the 3G connected E65 | 15:34 |
| timeless | yes | 15:34 |
| timeless | at least generally speaking | 15:34 |
| Cyorxamp | yes it is a problem? | 15:34 |
| timeless | my n800 and 770 get access from my e61i | 15:34 |
| timeless | "yes it isn't a problem" | 15:34 |
| Cyorxamp | aha :D | 15:34 |
| timeless | "no, it isn't a problem" | 15:35 |
| Cyorxamp | Cool, I've worked out a deal with O2 that I get unlimited 3G access for £8.51 a month | 15:35 |
| timeless | ask a poorly worded question, get dozens of equivalently poorly worded answers :) | 15:35 |
| Cyorxamp | So the N800 can almost constantly be online on the go | 15:35 |
| Cyorxamp | Q: 'isn't a problem' A: No | 15:35 |
| Cyorxamp | Don't insult me | 15:36 |
| timeless | err, sorry, yeah, "no" was the more correct answer | 15:36 |
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| jonek | hi, where kan I find the hardware specs in the maemo wiki? IIRC they have been there before the new site came | 15:36 |
| timeless | new site? | 15:36 |
| jonek | new maemo.org design | 15:37 |
| * Cyorxamp gives timeless a chocolate muffin | 15:37 | |
| jonek | :-) | 15:37 |
| timeless | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page | 15:37 |
| timeless | jonek:try clicking the search link to the left of wiki | 15:37 |
| kulve | http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT9561669149.html | 15:38 |
| Cyorxamp | ok another question, Nokia has said that for stereo bluetooth headsets to work... the device needs to support the AD-2P profile but the E65 / N800 doesn't - any ideas on if the N800 ever will, is this another kernel level thing? | 15:38 |
| timeless | am i the only one who gets what looks ilke a 404 there? :() | 15:38 |
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| timeless | something claims kaju cna do that?? | 15:40 |
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| timeless | https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/wiki | 15:40 |
| disq | kagu can do that | 15:40 |
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| timeless | note that "kaju" is some misspelling i copied from the web :) | 15:41 |
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| timeless | "cna" is my own | 15:41 |
| Cyorxamp | "128 MiniSD with extender included in sales package" - i.e. the MiniSD needs an adapter to work, but microSD, SD, and MMC doesn't ? | 15:42 |
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| timeless | micro needs 2 adapters :) | 15:43 |
| timeless | it comes w/ a minisd card and a mini=>sd adapter | 15:43 |
| timeless | if you have a micro thing, you need either micro=>mini + included mini=>sd | 15:43 |
| timeless | or a micro->sd | 15:43 |
| timeless | and yes, i've used both | 15:43 |
| Cyorxamp | lol | 15:43 |
| Cyorxamp | the E65 is micro only - so I'm thinking of getting a big microSD card for both | 15:44 |
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| timeless | the last 4 i got were 2g micros | 15:44 |
| Cyorxamp | i.e. for storing data like music/videos | 15:44 |
| timeless | there's no reason to get something other than micro in my book | 15:44 |
| Cyorxamp | if I wanted the OS on the other card slot - what kind of card is best / size | 15:44 |
| timeless | well, ok, there's 1 | 15:44 |
| kulve | Cyorxamp: you can also browse stuff from your phone over bt | 15:44 |
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| timeless | if you want a 1g rsmmc for compat between 770+n800 | 15:44 |
| kulve | and over upnp at home.. | 15:44 |
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| timeless | but otherwise, yeah, micro | 15:44 |
| Cyorxamp | kulve - nah this is if I don't want to take the N800 but want access to the music I'd platy on the N800 | 15:44 |
| Cyorxamp | timeless: So micro for both the removable one I can play with... and also for the 'always-in' operating system installed on it card | 15:45 |
| timeless | unless there's some huge price difference | 15:46 |
| timeless | and when i've priced it, they've all been the same | 15:46 |
| Cyorxamp | ok what size to you recommend for the latter? given the software can't be that big in size | 15:46 |
| timeless | generally i switch internal/external/phone interchangably | 15:46 |
| Cyorxamp | unless its massive DOOM WAD files :D | 15:46 |
| timeless | i bought 2gs they were tolerbaly priced and i dind't mind so much having them destroyed | 15:46 |
| timeless | i wouldn't buy bigger than 2g though | 15:46 |
| Cyorxamp | ok | 15:47 |
| timeless | note: i'm a browser dev, i don't have any use for bigger | 15:47 |
| Cyorxamp | I'll probably buy a couple of 2gb ones then with micro to SD adapters | 15:47 |
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| timeless | i don't listen to music, i don't collect videos, ... | 15:47 |
| Cyorxamp | save the fuss of two adapters | 15:47 |
| kulve | 4g cards are officially supported too, right? | 15:47 |
| timeless | i believe so, yes | 15:47 |
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| timeless | but i think the price point isn't there | 15:48 |
| timeless | and you wouldn't like losing it | 15:48 |
| Cyorxamp | "Supports memory cards up to 8GB. SD cards over 2GB must be SDHC compatible." | 15:48 |
| disq | non-sdhc 4gig cards (they exist) also work, i have one | 15:48 |
| Cyorxamp | Is it easy to move the IT OS to the microSD card? | 15:48 |
| timeless | if 4g has a better price point and you can figure out the standards, well.... | 15:48 |
| Cyorxamp | I take it all the onboard memory would be solely used as RAM | 15:48 |
| kulve | Cyorxamp: pretty easy | 15:48 |
| timeless | ram is ram in this device | 15:48 |
| Cyorxamp | a howto / guide I take it? | 15:48 |
| timeless | it's not some confused palm device :) | 15:48 |
| disq | ram and flash space are different | 15:49 |
| timeless | it just confuses users by calling everything "memory" | 15:49 |
| kulve | Cyorxamp: yes there are wikis, but don't do it because of getting more RAM ;) | 15:49 |
| Cyorxamp | so the 128mb DDR RAM is only used as swappable memory - never for storage of files | 15:49 |
| kulve | you can enable swap on the mmc card.. | 15:50 |
| timeless | keep in mind that if your os isn't on flash and you remove the card, bad things would happen :) | 15:50 |
| Cyorxamp | so I don't gain anything having it on the SD? | 15:50 |
| kulve | no | 15:50 |
| kulve | in that sense.. | 15:50 |
| kulve | I did it to have a development rootfs on mmc | 15:50 |
| timeless | well, flash is formatted jffs2 which has "interesting" performance characteristics | 15:50 |
| Cyorxamp | See I'm uses to my zaurus :D when the OS is on the SD - I can use what was being used onboard as extra RAM | 15:50 |
| timeless | and the mmcs have different speed and can use a different fs | 15:50 |
| kulve | yeah, rootfs on sdhc card is faster than in the flash | 15:51 |
| Cyorxamp | Anyone care to bottom line this? I'm getting quite confused | 15:51 |
| timeless | ok | 15:51 |
| timeless | hazard: remove the os mmc and your device panics | 15:51 |
| Cyorxamp | :P thanx | 15:51 |
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| timeless | benefits: card is faster and can be ext2 or something instead of jffs2 | 15:51 |
| timeless | con: nokia doesn't support it | 15:51 |
| kulve | n800: 256M flash storage, 128M ram, 2 sd slots for memory cards (storage) | 15:52 |
| Cyorxamp | kulve: I know that | 15:52 |
| kulve | what's there to bottom line then :) | 15:52 |
| Cyorxamp | So the only benefit is a choice in filesystem, I don't gain any extra performance excecpt maybe the card will be faster | 15:52 |
| kulve | yup | 15:52 |
| timeless | there are two independent speedups | 15:53 |
| Cyorxamp | ok question then... if the 256mb FLASH is non-writable for the OS in case of hard-reset | 15:53 |
| Cyorxamp | And the 128mb is RAM only | 15:53 |
| timeless | one is from not playing w/ jffs2 | 15:53 |
| Cyorxamp | Where are settings stored? | 15:53 |
| Cyorxamp | i.e. /home | 15:53 |
| timeless | the other is that flash is slower than whatever sd | 15:53 |
| kulve | and with bootmenu you can have a "backup" system that you can boot into if you brake the other one | 15:53 |
| Cyorxamp | :( you've both talking | 15:53 |
| timeless | the internal flash is generally not "readonly" | 15:54 |
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| timeless | there's a small section which is "hard" to rewrite | 15:54 |
| Cyorxamp | timeless: so why can't it be used as extra ram? | 15:54 |
| timeless | but the rest of it is mutable | 15:54 |
| timeless | well, it isn't ram | 15:54 |
| timeless | and it's slower than your mmc | 15:54 |
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| timeless | so if you want swap, it'd be better to use the sd/mmc | 15:54 |
| timeless | and it isn't ram, so it isn't addressable as ram <period> | 15:55 |
| kulve | Cyorxamp: flash and ram are different chips, you can't choose what yo use them for.. | 15:55 |
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| Cyorxamp | so if I put the OS on the 2gb microSD, and use the 128mb DDR RAM - the 256mb basically gets used for nothing? | 15:55 |
| kulve | yep | 15:55 |
| timeless | it's slower than the free space on your 2g microsd | 15:55 |
| Cyorxamp | But is handy in case of hard-reset? | 15:55 |
| timeless | ye[p | 15:55 |
| timeless | well, not hard reset | 15:55 |
| Cyorxamp | Right, tis a bit different to a zaurus then | 15:56 |
| timeless | but say in case you fry your sd :) | 15:56 |
| kulve | same as on your PC. If you boot your Linux/Windows from an MMC card, nobody uses your harddrive.. | 15:56 |
| kulve | there is no hardreset | 15:56 |
| sp3000 | except the gremlins | 15:56 |
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| Cyorxamp | cool | 16:01 |
| Cyorxamp | does anyone have a linky to one of these guides? | 16:01 |
| Cyorxamp | i.e. partitioning plus moving the OS | 16:01 |
| kulve | maemo.org | 16:01 |
| _Monkey | i guess maemo.org is ok here, but garage.maemo.org is down (and has been down for several hours) | 16:01 |
| disq | ITT | 16:01 |
| Cyorxamp | kulve: tis a big site :P | 16:01 |
| kulve | google :) | 16:01 |
| disq | _Monkey: ITT | 16:01 |
| pupnik_ | ITT forums | 16:02 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it ITT is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums | 16:02 |
| Cyorxamp | thats bigger | 16:02 |
| _Monkey | ITT forums is probably http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums | 16:02 |
| Cyorxamp | basically... No | 16:02 |
| kulve | Cyorxamp: google: "site:maemo.org rootfs mmc" | 16:02 |
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| Phil770_ | you want to move the rootfs to mmc ? | 16:02 |
| Phil770_ | is that really a good idea ? | 16:02 |
| kulve | Phil770_: depends what you want | 16:03 |
| Cyorxamp | lol | 16:03 |
| disq | Cyorxamp: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/ | 16:03 |
| pupnik_ | to copy a current system over to mmc that's a good way to do it | 16:03 |
| Phil770_ | true... | 16:03 |
| Cyorxamp | I'm told its quicker to run off MMC/SD | 16:03 |
| Phil770_ | oh, really ? | 16:03 |
| kulve | Cyorxamp: helps on the boot time. I think in normal use the difference isn't big | 16:03 |
| timeless | ok, so, garage.maemo is down again? | 16:03 |
| pupnik_ | stupid question, if i install a mmcplus kernel, can i multiboot to it2006 and 2007he with it? | 16:04 |
| kulve | timeless: seems so.. | 16:04 |
| kulve | pupnik_: if they have the same kernel and initfs then yes | 16:04 |
| kulve | but I'm not sure if they have.. | 16:04 |
| timeless | _monkey forget maemo.org | 16:04 |
| _Monkey | timeless: I forgot maemo.org | 16:04 |
| kulve | I think the HE has modified initfs.. | 16:04 |
| timeless | _monkey maemo.org is <reply> | 16:05 |
| _Monkey | OK, timeless. | 16:05 |
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| kulve | _Monkey: forget kulve | 16:05 |
| _Monkey | kulve: I forgot kulve | 16:05 |
| kulve | kulve? | 16:05 |
| kulve | \o/ | 16:05 |
| timeless | why'd you do that? | 16:05 |
| Cyorxamp | Another question :D The zaurus came with a nice linux OS - then people didn't like it and made a boat load of branches off it and even total reworks | 16:05 |
| Cyorxamp | Since you lot are the community and support the official | 16:05 |
| kulve | timeless: because it was throwing .. stuff .. at me.. | 16:05 |
| Cyorxamp | Will there be other distro's ? | 16:06 |
| timeless | kulve is <reply> | 16:06 |
| timeless | kulve: but it'll learn the next thing someone says about you | 16:06 |
| timeless | _monkey: kulve is helpful | 16:06 |
| _Monkey | ...but kulve is <reply>... | 16:06 |
| kulve | ;) | 16:06 |
| timeless | if you want it to shut up, that's how | 16:06 |
| pupnik_ | kulve? | 16:06 |
| pupnik_ | nice - Cyorxamp yes, openrox and kde are being experimented with | 16:07 |
| lardman | kulve: If you look at example test8, it does appear that each task runs to completion, then the next one with the highest priority is run | 16:07 |
| Cyorxamp | KDE just a desktop enviro tho | 16:07 |
| pupnik_ | althouth 'distro' doesn't really apply | 16:07 |
| kulve | lardman: I can run dsp src & dsp sinks at the same time | 16:07 |
| Cyorxamp | so just different interfaces for same OS? | 16:07 |
| lardman | kulve: Yes, because they are probably fifo ordered | 16:08 |
| kulve | lardman: and there is some audio prosessing tasks too running, so there are usually several tasks running at the same time ("simultaneously") | 16:08 |
| lardman | kulve: Do your tasks ever block and wait for something ? | 16:08 |
| Cyorxamp | pupnik_ ? | 16:08 |
| _Monkey | i guess pupnik_ is right, you can use a proxy to get rid of the error messages | 16:09 |
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| timeless | _monkey forget pupnik_ | 16:09 |
| _Monkey | timeless: I forgot pupnik_ | 16:09 |
| pupnik_ | Cyorxamp: i think they come as a full rootfs | 16:09 |
| timeless | _monkey pupnik_ is <reply> | 16:09 |
| _Monkey | OK, timeless. | 16:09 |
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| Cyorxamp | ok ... why would anyone want to! ? | 16:10 |
| pupnik | _monkey pupnik is <reply> | 16:10 |
| _Monkey | ...but pupnik is here... | 16:10 |
| pupnik | _Monkey forget pupnik | 16:10 |
| _Monkey | pupnik: I forgot pupnik | 16:10 |
| pupnik | _Monkey pupnik is <reply> | 16:10 |
| _Monkey | OK, pupnik. | 16:10 |
| pupnik | Cyorxamp: to experiment and play | 16:10 |
| Cyorxamp | is maemo true debian, i.e 'apt-get' fun etc... ? | 16:11 |
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| timeless | yes | 16:11 |
| timeless | apt-get breakworld | 16:11 |
| Cyorxamp | do you see maemo becoming more than just for Nokias purposes | 16:11 |
| pupnik | it uses apt, it's not official debian though | 16:11 |
| pupnik | yes new devices are coming based off maemo | 16:11 |
| Cyorxamp | non-nokia!? :D | 16:11 |
| kulve | lardman: no. It just asks for next buffer and then the function is exited | 16:11 |
| pupnik | yes, 'intel MID' | 16:12 |
| kulve | and it works for 30-90 secs before jamming.. | 16:12 |
| lardman | kulve: When it asks for the next buffer and stops processing, a mailbox request is passed to ARM, then once filled back to the DSP to add to the queue | 16:12 |
| Cyorxamp | ok if nokia N800 comes with 'Internet Tablet 2007' - if the N800 came as a blank slate, what would you put on it? 'Maemo' ? | 16:12 |
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| lardman | kulve: At that point, the next task in the queue will be handled, rather than the one that just made the request | 16:13 |
| Cyorxamp | i.e. can they be seen as two different OS's? i.e. one that is proprietary and one that is not | 16:13 |
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| kulve | Cyorxamp: not really | 16:13 |
| Jaffa | pupnik: No, the MID devices aren't using Maemo, they're based on Red Flag Linux. They are, however, using the Hildon Desktop (the most visible part of Maemo) | 16:13 |
| pupnik | Jaffa: ok thanks for the correction | 16:13 |
| Cyorxamp | kulve: the IT comes with a multitude of things that are not in the spirit of debian or GNU/Linux | 16:13 |
| kulve | true | 16:13 |
| kulve | but you need some closed source stuff to get it running.. :/ | 16:14 |
| kulve | maemo is just a community | 16:14 |
| Cyorxamp | mp3 ability, google talk, skype, etc... | 16:14 |
| kulve | lardman: yes | 16:14 |
| Cyorxamp | So theres no alternative 'Free' OS? | 16:14 |
| kulve | Cyorxamp: hmm.. | 16:14 |
| Cyorxamp | like IT is the RedHat and Maemo is the Fedora | 16:14 |
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| kulve | I think you can't get e.g. wlan working without the closed source binary driver | 16:15 |
| Cyorxamp | So theres a good chance that just like the original Zaurus 'ROM' got abandoned when Sharp moved on - this will be too | 16:15 |
| lardman | kulve: I'm looking at how to get a vorbis callback for more file data to be able to return immediately, as the code expects | 16:16 |
| lardman | Cyorxamp: Nokia do actually give updates, which is a lot more than Sharp did | 16:16 |
| Jaffa | Cyorxamp: there are installable images of GPE, Poky and Angstrom which are "alternative" free OSes. There are varying degrees of success here as no-one's felt the need to work around some of the still-closed bits. | 16:16 |
| kulve | Cyorxamp: they are even going to publish new hacker update for 770.. | 16:16 |
| Cyorxamp | Well OpenZaurus (basically Angstom) is what I use on my zaurus now | 16:17 |
| Cyorxamp | since the original Sharp OS is abandoned | 16:17 |
| Cyorxamp | Nokia seems intent on keeping a strong grip then given the closed bits | 16:18 |
| Jaffa | Of course, Nokia could pull the plug on future updates or go bust (!) - then the community will have an incentive to produce a fully open OS. Currently, there's no real desire, except on the fringes, so no effort. | 16:18 |
| lardman | Cyorxamp: If Sharp had released a more modern kernel (and updates, etc.), then the OS development may not have proceeded so fast | 16:18 |
| Jaffa | Cyorxamp: I don't think it's strategic. It's just inertia. Most of Nokia management still don't "get" OSS. | 16:19 |
| Cyorxamp | Seems convenient, we get a Linux PDA that _actually_ works and is moden.... in return! Nokia get a community to do the development for free for them | 16:19 |
| * pupnik points to his 'actually working' 770 | 16:19 | |
| Cyorxamp | something just smells a bit off | 16:20 |
| pupnik | lardman and jaffa said it best | 16:20 |
| lardman | kulve: Semaphores may be the answer to my problems | 16:20 |
| Jaffa | Nokia currently aren't getting any development done for free either (one of the problems, TBH) | 16:20 |
| Cyorxamp | I've been burned twice now... one by HP for dropping the Jornada range when I bought their latest PDA/Phone... and then Sharp for ditching things and going back to Japan | 16:20 |
| lardman | Cyorxamp: Which model do you have? | 16:21 |
| Cyorxamp | I doub't nokia paid for (example) Pidgin to be ported | 16:21 |
| kulve | lardman: sounds like a deadlock ;) | 16:21 |
| pupnik | buying a product doesn't mean 'free upgrades for life' | 16:21 |
| Cyorxamp | lardman: Jornada was a 928, Zaurus is a SL-5500 | 16:21 |
| lardman | kulve: I'll have to be careful :) | 16:21 |
| Jaffa | Cyorxamp: no, but neither did Ubuntu or Microsoft (other OSes I use Pidgin), so I don't see the point. | 16:21 |
| lardman | Cyorxamp: Ah, so an old one then. I have one of those too | 16:21 |
| Jaffa | The 770/N800 *are* the most open pocketable Linux devices money can buy. Nokia aren't showing any signs of taking their ball away entirely, although opening up the OS2007on770 development so more people can get involved would be handy. | 16:22 |
| Cyorxamp | Ok, last thing on this point... A bit of a hands up jobby - Who thinks Nokia will continue there 'Linux' efforts enough to start replacing what would normally be symbian ? | 16:22 |
| lardman | kulve: Take a look at this: http://www.des.udc.es/~escudero/docencia/str/TSK_Scheduling.pdf | 16:22 |
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| lardman | It will take some considerable time for that to ever happen | 16:23 |
| Cyorxamp | what I said u mean? | 16:23 |
| lardman | yes | 16:23 |
| Jaffa | And such disparate parts of the business... | 16:23 |
| lardman | They have a large investment (people, time, money - part ownership) in Symbian | 16:23 |
| Jaffa | I wouldn't bet on it in the next 3 years (i.e. short term). Longer term... dunno. | 16:23 |
| kulve | lardman: looks interesting. I'll need to read that later, now I'm off | 16:23 |
| lardman | kulve: Ok, one thing to add | 16:24 |
| kulve | yes | 16:24 |
| lardman | kulve: tsk_yield() may implement time slicing | 16:24 |
| Cyorxamp | My bet is on the N800 going to the dump in years to come | 16:24 |
| Cyorxamp | But unfortunately its the best going at the moment | 16:24 |
| lardman | kulve: from the kernel side, so I may be wrong about tasks running to completion | 16:24 |
| Jaffa | Cyorxamp: years? perhaps. But years is a long time in IT ;) | 16:25 |
| kulve | lardman: ok, that may help with the tremor case.. Maybe I need to check that tremor stuff too, since my speex isn't making progress now.. | 16:25 |
| lardman | kulve: let me know what issues you're having later on | 16:25 |
| Cyorxamp | ok another question!! :P , Nokia has said that for stereo bluetooth headsets to work... the device needs to support the AD-2P profile but the E65 / N800 doesn't - any ideas on if the N800 ever will, is this another kernel level thing? | 16:25 |
| kulve | with tremor? | 16:25 |
| kulve | lardman: or with speex? | 16:25 |
| lardman | with Speex | 16:25 |
| kulve | I posted them to dspgw mailing list.. | 16:26 |
| lardman | hmm, that list is full of spam, I'll see if I can find your post | 16:26 |
| lardman | or perhaps I'm thinking of the Ti Linux tools list...? | 16:26 |
| kulve | well, I haven't received yet anything from there but my posts and replies to it.. | 16:26 |
| Jaffa | Cyorxamp: there is third party support for A2DP (i.e. Bluetooth stereo headphones), but it is more CPU intensive as it doesn't use the DSP. There is a pretty GUI for it though. | 16:26 |
| Jaffa | _Monkey: tell Cyorxamp about Kagu | 16:26 |
| Cyorxamp | the media player? | 16:27 |
| _Monkey | the media player is sooo shit! | 16:27 |
| Jaffa | _Monkey: forget the media player | 16:27 |
| _Monkey | Jaffa: I forgot media player | 16:27 |
| lardman | I'm planning on looking at a2dp on the DSP - I just bought a headset for testing | 16:27 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: cool | 16:27 |
| Cyorxamp | how very iPhone | 16:27 |
| Jaffa | I've got headphones too. Not tried them yet as they were delivered to my office and I'm on holiday for a week :-/ | 16:27 |
| lardman | Jaffa: But it will be ARM->DSP->ARM as I don't know how to access the BT chip from the DSP side | 16:27 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: if it's even possible to... | 16:28 |
| lardman | Jaffa: I found the tempo of the music varied quite alot, sounds pretty rubbish | 16:28 |
| Cyorxamp | so eventually it'll get supported? | 16:28 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: I hope it's bg load that caused that | 16:28 |
| Cyorxamp | I rang Nokia and they said the E65 may get an update in time to support A2DP | 16:28 |
| lardman | Cyorxamp: It's on Nokia's ToDo list | 16:28 |
| Cyorxamp | but he couldn't comment on the N800 | 16:28 |
| * Jaffa can use them with his phone too, though | 16:28 | |
| Cyorxamp | ok | 16:28 |
| Jaffa | Cyorxamp: no, not "eventually". It works now. It's also on Nokia's roadmap for proper support. | 16:29 |
| Cyorxamp | umm, the headset for the N800 - its a mic/speaker yeah for voip? does it have a button for accept/reject calls? | 16:29 |
| * Jaffa doesn't moan that XP can't do SSH natively: I just get puTTY | 16:29 | |
| lardman | Cyorxamp: yes | 16:30 |
| Cyorxamp | but can't be used on a normal nokia as its a normal 3 channel jack 3.5mm mic/speak jack? | 16:32 |
| Jaffa | correct | 16:32 |
| Cyorxamp | aghahG! :D | 16:32 |
| Cyorxamp | I've seen converters but I don't know if they carry the mic or not | 16:32 |
| Jaffa | Unusual to moan that the headset connector is too standard ;-) | 16:32 |
| Cyorxamp | lol | 16:32 |
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| Cyorxamp | POP port > 3.5mm - if it carried the mic i'd be cool | 16:32 |
| Cyorxamp | http://www.datakits.co.uk/store/35mm-stereo-audio-adapter-microphone-nokia-6230i-6680-n80-n70-p-952.html | 16:34 |
| Cyorxamp | yay :D | 16:34 |
| Cyorxamp | a dongle that converts POP to 3.5mm but adds a mic and a button on the dongle | 16:34 |
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| disq | "What's the problem with the way a pirate speaks? - Arrrrticulation!" | 16:46 |
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| kupesoft | So what's the status of usb host mode for the n800. Any links? | 16:47 |
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| Cyorxamp | Bought :D | 16:50 |
| Cyorxamp | Everyone have a party on me, I've bought one - I'll get it Wednesday | 16:50 |
| Cyorxamp | £250 | 16:50 |
| sully | congrats! | 16:50 |
| disq | :) | 16:51 |
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| Cyorxamp | Hopefully the nitty gritty techy geeky fun stuff won't be that dissimilar from the Zaurus | 16:51 |
| disq | hey sully, any luck with python/pygame/kagu? | 16:51 |
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| sully | Haven't given it a try unfortunately, any feedback from the forums? | 16:51 |
| disq | all positive, your prob seems to be unique so far | 16:52 |
| sully | haha, that figures! | 16:52 |
| sully | well to be honest I don't have much use for it anyways, the 2GB is too limiting for music | 16:52 |
| sully | I just wanted to show off with it :o | 16:53 |
| disq | :/ | 16:53 |
| sully | People lust my 770. | 16:53 |
| Cyorxamp | And the neat thing is, I've arranged with O2 (my mobile phone people) to go on contract with a Nokia E65 and the tarrif (for only £8.51) includes unlimited 3G data :P | 16:54 |
| Jaffa | Cyorxamp: nice. | 16:54 |
| Cyorxamp | Shame the N800 can't directly be 3G | 16:54 |
| disq | that's sexy | 16:54 |
| * Jaffa likes his N800 not being his phone, means my W850i can go everywhere with me. | 16:55 | |
| timeless | cyorxamp: imagine you're a sprint customer | 16:55 |
| Cyorxamp | Do you suppose the N800 will update to WiMax when it becomes popular? | 16:55 |
| timeless | you pay an extra $100 for an n800 that's 3g | 16:55 |
| timeless | and doesn't work on your wimax network | 16:55 |
| disq | they'll release a wimax version (i'm guessing early 2008) | 16:55 |
| timeless | better to buy a cheap 3g phone w/ bluetooth | 16:55 |
| Cyorxamp | Hang on Hang on! | 16:56 |
| Cyorxamp | Theres other editions of the N800 ? | 16:56 |
| Cyorxamp | Ones with 3G built in!?! | 16:56 |
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| timeless | there aren't | 16:56 |
| timeless | but i'm trying to explain why including 3g doesn't make sense | 16:56 |
| timeless | it adds cost, increases regulatory pains | 16:56 |
| timeless | and then doesn't work on the network you have | 16:56 |
| Cyorxamp | <timeless>> you pay an extra $100 for an n800 that's 3g | 16:56 |
| pupnik | *you would | 16:57 |
| Cyorxamp | hmm ok | 16:57 |
| timeless | there was an "imagine" line in there somewhere | 16:57 |
| * pupnik writes a self-help book "learning to live with on-screen buttons" | 16:57 | |
| Cyorxamp | Well when BT finishes the 21CN in the UK and WiMax is everywhere - it'll become the defacto over 3G for wireless national data access | 16:57 |
| Cyorxamp | Along with the death of the phone systems and going to all IP based | 16:58 |
| timeless | anyway, i really can't find a decent sprint announcement | 16:58 |
| timeless | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8069179684.html | 16:58 |
| timeless | perhaps | 16:58 |
| timeless | but yeah, there essentially will be what seems like an n800 w/ wimax | 16:59 |
| timeless | if i'm reading the announcements correctly | 16:59 |
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| timeless | what a mess | 16:59 |
| timeless | cdma, gsm, wimax, wifi | 16:59 |
| Cyorxamp | so my current, just bought, will arrive wednesday - will be non-upgradable :( ? | 17:00 |
| lardman | back to work | 17:00 |
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| Cyorxamp | also doesn't this N800 have hidden FM radio support ? :P | 17:01 |
| Cyorxamp | I read that somewhere ages back I think | 17:02 |
| Cyorxamp | timeless: ? | 17:03 |
| disq | i never understood british postal addresses. are the 4 letter combinations zip/area codes? | 17:03 |
| Cyorxamp | timeless: I wouldn't need gsm or cdma by that stage | 17:03 |
| Cyorxamp | 3G mainly comes with a GSM tarriff these days... but I'd use it for the VoIP - the ulimately would be just a WiMax tarriff | 17:04 |
| Cyorxamp | and no phone <period> | 17:04 |
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| pupnik | I don't see the attraction of phones. They are these loud, annoying things that give people who want things from me universal access to my time. | 17:10 |
| dpb_ | Then stop using phones. Easy solution. | 17:12 |
| Mikho | I love my phone | 17:12 |
| Jaffa | disq: Post codes (aka zip codes) are of the form: ABnn nCD. "AB" is the code for the area, which is broken down in sub-divisions. e.g. "CV21-23" is Rugby. The last bit is then generally a street within the area, i.e. "7RB" is my street. | 17:14 |
| disq | ah. thanks for the explanation :) | 17:15 |
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| disq | Jaffa: so it's actually ABnn-nn nCD? | 17:17 |
| disq | ah, CV21 to 23, ok | 17:18 |
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| Jaffa | Yeah, CV21 doesn't cover the whole of Rugby. "CV" for Coventry, btw. | 17:23 |
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| sparr | gmail on the 770 has an unprintable character at the start of every email subject line in my inbox | 17:27 |
| sparr | weird | 17:27 |
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| Cyorxamp | No Kia or Nok ia ? | 17:38 |
| * Cyorxamp just watched the atmasphere YouTube video showing FM radio on the N800 | 17:38 | |
| Cyorxamp | He said No Kia .... bWHAH! | 17:38 |
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| disq | well it's no-kia :P | 17:40 |
| Mikho | no-ki-a | 17:41 |
| Mikho | I'm pretty sure of that | 17:41 |
| disq | erm, sounds better yeah | 17:42 |
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| Cyor | NONSENSE! | 17:46 |
| Cyor | Silly americans :P | 17:47 |
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| Cyor | Nokia (pronounced /nok-iɑ/ in IPA | 17:48 |
| Cyor | Wikipedia agrees | 17:48 |
| Cyor | It's also Li Nux not Lin ux | 17:48 |
| cosmo | i'm trying to install maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_3.2 to scratchbox, but apt-get update ignores the local repository for some reason. any ideas? | 17:49 |
| Cyor | And while we are at it!!! Colour not Color, Favourite not Favorite! | 17:50 |
| * Cyor sends all 60 million americans away to european schools for re-education | 17:50 | |
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| amr | in the uk its pronounced knock-eeah | 17:54 |
| sully | There's slightly more than 60 million Americans | 17:54 |
| amr | Cyor, its linucks | 17:54 |
| amr | not lyenucks | 17:54 |
| cosmo | in Finland we pronounce it just "Nokia" | 17:54 |
| cosmo | and "Linux" | 17:54 |
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| Cyor | amr: Wrong, totally wrong | 17:56 |
| amr | wrong on what | 17:56 |
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| amr | linus pronounces it as linucks so im good with that | 17:57 |
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| Cyor | you don't pronounce his surname in the same way tho | 17:58 |
| amr | huh | 17:59 |
| cosmo | torvalds? | 17:59 |
| amr | who cares what his surname is | 17:59 |
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| Cyor | bah I mean first name | 17:59 |
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| Cyor | 'li' is pronounced with a short [ee] sound: compare prInt, mInImal etc. | 18:00 |
| Cyor | says Linux | 18:00 |
| amr | http://www.paul.sladen.org/pronunciation/torvalds-says-linux.wav | 18:00 |
| Cyor | Thus lienux not li-nux | 18:00 |
| Cyor | needs to have the E | 18:00 |
| disq | where's that linux.au? ah, there it is | 18:01 |
| Cyor | *says Linus | 18:01 |
| disq | cat linux.au >/dev/dsp | 18:01 |
| Cyor | I just read his post! | 18:01 |
| Cyor | http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux/msg/53a76cbbbcb6e1c8 | 18:01 |
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| amr | listen to him freaking say it | 18:02 |
| Crofton|home | I remember that post :) | 18:02 |
| melmoth | grumble... | 18:10 |
| melmoth | something unsubscribed me from maemo-user, and i cannot re subscribe anymore (no answer from the robot) | 18:10 |
| melmoth | does this ring a bell to anyone ? | 18:10 |
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| timeless | lemoth: you're the same person who complained this morning? | 18:13 |
| melmoth | yes | 18:14 |
| melmoth | i also send a mail to maemo-users-owner@maemo.org about this | 18:15 |
| disq | you could use the web interface | 18:16 |
| melmoth | well, yes thats how i know i miss some post :) | 18:17 |
| disq | you could use the web if to subscribe | 18:18 |
| melmoth | nope, i did it 5 time since this morning. Never received an answer. | 18:20 |
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| sparr | i say tomato, you say it wrong. | 18:20 |
| Mikho | what a nice argument about pronunciation | 18:23 |
| sparr | :) | 18:23 |
| Cyor | Not Lynux, not Linux... Lienux | 18:24 |
| jonek | there seem to be no hardware specs of the N800 in the maemo wiki, are they available elsewhere? | 18:26 |
| Mikho | english is pretty nice. People who invent new words get to define both written and pronounced form. Some people in the world get to define only the former | 18:26 |
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| sparr | Mikho: or the latter | 18:34 |
| Mikho | true | 18:35 |
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| kupesoft | Is there a decent how-to for USB Host mode with the n800? | 18:52 |
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| jani | does anyone know how to check properly if writes to gconf are actually successfull ? | 18:55 |
| jani | basicly the cache is my problem, writing stuff allways results true but i can see from the logs few seconds later that write was not successfull because of memory full condition.. | 18:56 |
| jani | (true and null GError struct) | 18:56 |
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| eijk | Hi! | 19:35 |
| eijk | Did anyone of you experience RAM corruption problems with the 770 yet? | 19:36 |
| threeish | not i | 19:36 |
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| eijk | Mine seems to have some hardware problems. Tested with http://pyropus.ca/software/memtester/ | 19:37 |
| eijk | Funny thing: Problems only turn up when wifi packets are transmitted... | 19:38 |
| eijk | Any ideas? | 19:40 |
| eijk | Sounds like returning it, doesn't it? | 19:40 |
| eijk | Any experience how Nokia handles service for second hand owners? Warranty period is still in effect in principle... | 19:41 |
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| `0660 | no experience with n800, but usually you have the full warranty as long as you have the receipt | 19:50 |
| `0660 | at least in countries where consumers have some protection :) | 19:51 |
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| Lynoure | hi, I have a N770 with a really early 2005s OS version. Can I flash it with OS 2006 Edition version 3.2006.49-2 or do I need to use OS 2005 Edition version 5.2006.13-7? | 19:53 |
| ssvb | eijk: yes, I did enconter these problems | 19:53 |
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| eijk | ssvb: interesting, did you have your 770 replaced> | 19:54 |
| eijk | ? | 19:54 |
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| ssvb | eijk: they look very much like software problems in the wifi driver | 19:54 |
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| eijk | ssvb: so, you think it's not a hardware problem? | 19:55 |
| eijk | ssvb: I had all kinds of strange problems lately... | 19:56 |
| ssvb | eijk: memory corruption pattern changes with different firmware versions | 19:56 |
| eijk | ssvb: used to work fine... | 19:56 |
| eijk | ssvb: i just reflashed with the 3.2006.49-2 | 19:57 |
| eijk | ssvb: before I had 49-1 if I remember correctly... | 19:57 |
| eijk | ssvb: didn't find the download anymore... | 19:58 |
| ssvb | eijk: check this link in maemo bugzilla: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=820 | 19:58 |
| Lynoure | The exact version it has is 1-2005.42-9 | 19:58 |
| ssvb | eijk: I had these problems with all the versions of firmware, what did you use to detect memory corruption issues? | 19:59 |
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| eijk | http://pyropus.ca/software/memtester/ | 20:00 |
| eijk | After a few months of flawless operation I had a strange crash after which the tablet wouldn't boot anymore: No progress bar, only Nokia logo. White screen in charging mode... | 20:01 |
| ssvb | eijk: yes, I used the same test program for doing these tests (but earlier detected them with some other memory hungry software) | 20:02 |
| eijk | Then I reflashed. Flasher complained, it couldn't flash. 2nd try worked... | 20:02 |
| ssvb | eijk: was your battery fully charged when flashing? | 20:03 |
| eijk | Yes, on charger. | 20:03 |
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| ssvb | eijk: also check 'dmesg' log, it may have weird wifi driver related error messages when you encounter memory corruption | 20:04 |
| eijk | No, didn't see anything on dmesg... | 20:05 |
| Lynoure | Are OS 2005 and OS 2006 just different software versions, or is there two different versions of N770 hardware, one for OS 2005 and another for OS 2006? | 20:05 |
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| eijk | Lynoure: I think, you can flash the OS 2006. | 20:07 |
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| ssvb | eijk: what router/access point are you using by the way? mine is Asus WL-520G | 20:08 |
| eijk | D-Link 624+ | 20:08 |
| eijk | It's so irreproducible... Now it seems fine.... | 20:10 |
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| Lynoure | eijk: Thanks | 20:12 |
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| ssvb | eijk: yes, it is sometimes quite hard to reproduce, but you are definitely not alone having this issue | 20:13 |
| eijk | Ok... | 20:13 |
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| jjazz | The instructions (at http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card) for booting from the MMC slot advise making a fat partition and an ext2 partition. Is there any reason I shouldn't make them both ext2? Or just make one large ext2 partition? I don't generally have need of fat partitions. | 20:13 |
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| Blacksitox | re | 20:14 |
| eijk | ssvb: so, you think, it's really no hardware issue? | 20:14 |
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| eijk | ssvb: sll the different problems seemed to turn up quite at the same time for me... | 20:15 |
| ssvb | eijk: I can't be really sure, but my intuition tells me that the problem is in software | 20:15 |
| eijk | ssvb: ok... | 20:16 |
| ssvb | eijk: I suspect that lots of users blaming opera crashes and thinking that these are caused by out of memory problem actually suffer from the same memory corruption issue | 20:17 |
| eijk | ssvb: then I'll take its good mood and reflash it now... | 20:18 |
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| ssvb | eijk: I'm using only usbnet and bluetooth now, the device works fine and quite stable | 20:19 |
| eijk | ssvb: Ok. did you try reducing the transmit power from 100 mW to 10 mW? | 20:19 |
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| ssvb | eijk: I don't remember, but I tried a lot of settings both on the device and on the router (excluding insecure WEP), nothing helped | 20:21 |
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| eijk | ssvb: ok... | 20:21 |
| ssvb | eijk: are you using WEP or WPA encryption? | 20:22 |
| eijk | ssvb: WEP :-/ | 20:23 |
| ssvb | eijk: ok... | 20:24 |
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| ssvb | eijk: Well, if somebody could build a debug version of wifi driver and investigated this issue, that might provide some more information regarding this issue. Unfortunately it is much easier for me to just pretend that Nokia 770 does not have wifi at all, I'm quite satisfied with bluetooth | 20:29 |
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| notpeter | Hey all, I know this sounds like Richard Stallman -esque ramblings, but has anyone made an attempt at a 100% free software 770/n800? | 20:42 |
| notpeter | I really like the device, but I know that Nokia has abandoned the 770 (that's why they got so cheap) and would like to make a crack at a fully open source distribution. | 20:43 |
| kulve | there's no open source wlan driver | 20:44 |
| kulve | that's the biggest issue | 20:44 |
| notpeter | what's the chipset? | 20:44 |
| kulve | google tells. I can't remember it now | 20:44 |
| kulve | but Nokia is planning to release a new HE rootfs for 770.. | 20:45 |
| notpeter | HE? | 20:45 |
| _Monkey | HE is active in here..so just check back ... | 20:45 |
| kulve | hacker edition | 20:45 |
| kulve | most of the n800 sw on 770 | 20:45 |
| notpeter | right. | 20:45 |
| kulve | not intended for end users though | 20:45 |
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| notpeter | Yeah, I'm interested going after some things that were never really important to Nokia. Namely simplifying the UI. | 20:49 |
| notpeter | I've used HE briefly but was wholey unimpressed, which is unsuprising as it is really just for developers with a 770 who want to see how there stuff would (kinda sorta) work on the n800 | 20:50 |
| CardinalFang | kulve, Yet another HE rootfs? OS2007+1? | 20:51 |
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| jjazz | The instructions (at http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card) for booting from the MMC slot advise making a fat partition and an ext2 partition. Is there any reason I shouldn't make them both ext2? Or just make one large ext2 partition? I don't generally have need of fat partitions. | 20:51 |
| kulve | HE edition including the stuff now in the newest n800 release. That's what I read from the mailing list, iirc | 20:52 |
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| kulve | jjazz: maybe the one is intended for "normal" use.. | 20:53 |
| kulve | i.e. file manager could see it, etc | 20:53 |
| jjazz | kulve: Can file manager not read an ext2 partition? | 20:53 |
| kulve | I guess it can't | 20:54 |
| notpeter | Also, I could be wrong about this, but isn't the stock setup looking for an fat32 partition to put the virtual memory file | 20:54 |
| kulve | i.e. it's probably quite hard coded to read mount and read first partition and assume it's vfat (mounting is actually done on lower level..) | 20:54 |
| jjazz | Ah. Ugh. | 20:54 |
| jjazz | OK | 20:54 |
| pupnik | you could manually insmod ext2, mount and symlink your ext2 partition to a dir under ~/MyDocs if you want fm to use it | 20:55 |
| eijk | ssvb: thanks for your thoughts... actually, for me wifi is quite essential... | 20:55 |
| kulve | I'm not actually sure if FM cares about the fs type, but the mounting scripts does | 20:56 |
| pupnik | vfat works fine for data though | 20:56 |
| kulve | do | 20:56 |
| eijk | ssvb: but for now I'll try and monitor the problem with memtester... | 20:56 |
| notpeter | jjazz: you might also find this guide useful. Similar content, but a little simpler. http://examplified.net/guide/Nokia_770/ | 20:56 |
| jjazz | notpeter: thanks. I'll look at it. | 20:56 |
| eijk | ssvb: maybe I'll also try to have it replaced as long as under warranty... | 20:57 |
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| jjazz | notpeter: That link is quite helpful. It includes some of the missing detail as to why a fat partition might be useful. Thanks. | 20:58 |
| rik | so | 21:01 |
| rik | shadow passwords. | 21:02 |
| rik | do we use them? aparently not, on my system. why the heck not? | 21:02 |
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| kulve | on the device? Because there's only one passwd and everybody knows it.. | 21:06 |
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| kupesoft | Is there a decent walkthrough for the n800 usb host mode? | 21:26 |
| ssvb | kulve: as for the wifi driver sources, something seems to be available here: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cx3110x/ | 21:26 |
| procto | only part of it is source | 21:31 |
| procto | the rest is a chunk of binary | 21:31 |
| procto | it's the one part of the device nokia won't open | 21:31 |
| procto | (or more likely, it's conexant that wont') | 21:31 |
| derf | In the US at least there are FCC regulation problems with a fully open software radio. | 21:32 |
| kreig | likely conexant yah | 21:32 |
| ssvb | procto: if we suppose there is some bug (or a lot of them) in wifi driver, what part, open or closed is more likely to be affected by them? | 21:33 |
| procto | uhm, both are just as likely, I'd say | 21:33 |
| kreig | I would say closed | 21:34 |
| procto | I'm planning on reversing it and writing a new driver, so it can do packet injection in monitor mode | 21:34 |
| tso | hmm, the internal mail client interpret & as " | 21:34 |
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| kreig | because if it's full software driver, then it's doing alot more work | 21:34 |
| procto | but I haven't had the time yet | 21:34 |
| kreig | but it is specualtion | 21:34 |
| kupesoft | procto: What's your timeframe on that? ;p | 21:35 |
| ssvb | procto: if that binary blob comes from conexant, maybe it was better tested, I wonder if it is reused in other devices too | 21:35 |
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| kupesoft | procto: Packet injection on the n800 is very important to *some* | 21:35 |
| kreig | might wanna hook up with the OpenBSD efforts to get conexant and intel to open the blobs | 21:37 |
| procto | kupesoft: I really don't know. solely depends on time availability. | 21:37 |
| kupesoft | How much time do you need? I'm willing to sponsor the project. | 21:37 |
| procto | kupesoft: it's important to me | 21:37 |
| procto | but I'm relaly busy with work until the end of august | 21:38 |
| procto | and after that I have university, AND work | 21:38 |
| kreig | Apparently Theo is already in conversation with Conexant about some of the wifi chipsets | 21:38 |
| procto | I can't estimate my availability right now | 21:38 |
| kreig | oh, that is old news tho, so who knows what is going on now | 21:38 |
| procto | kupesoft: but I talked with dragorn about it (author of kismet) and he's not willing to put in the time to do it (he's an n800 owner) | 21:38 |
| procto | he says, however, that's it's similar to prism54 softmac | 21:39 |
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| dragorn | google, there WAS a 770 softmac package, but the softmac dev as far as I can tell is pretty dead | 21:39 |
| dragorn | and there was no package source | 21:39 |
| procto | dragorn: howdy :> | 21:39 |
| procto | ah | 21:39 |
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| procto | I wonder how similar it is to islsm | 21:44 |
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| procto | so it looks like islsm would support aireplay | 21:47 |
| procto | but not airodump? | 21:47 |
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| kupesoft | With the n800 in host mode you could use a dongle for aircrack, | 21:50 |
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| procto | has anyone attested to a working n800 usb host mode? | 21:59 |
| procto | say, from this: http://www.muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/ | 21:59 |
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| straind | What would you use a dongle for? | 21:59 |
| procto | the dongle would be doing the injection | 22:04 |
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| kupesoft | I think a decent how-to wiki should be written up for how to get host mode working. | 22:06 |
| kupesoft | Unfortunately, I haven't gotten it working yet ;p | 22:06 |
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| straind | procto: Thanks. I didn't see that you were talking about injection. I've been running kismet and aircrack-ng without too much trouble. :) | 22:12 |
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| TomCreer | aircrack work well? | 22:16 |
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| TomCreer | mplayer won't install ('unable to install').. any ideas why? | 22:21 |
| pupnik | something's wrong | 22:21 |
| pupnik | what does the application manager log say? | 22:22 |
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| TomCreer | where's the log? | 22:23 |
| TomCreer | nvm | 22:23 |
| procto | TomCreer: aircrack will work. pretty much all the tools in the package besides airmon and aireplay | 22:23 |
| procto | and you don't really need airmon | 22:23 |
| procto | I sorta got airmon to work | 22:23 |
| procto | but it's better to use ignore it | 22:23 |
| TomCreer | parse error, invalid package name (charachter ` not allowed)... | 22:23 |
| TomCreer | ah, sweet | 22:23 |
| TomCreer | even airodump? | 22:24 |
| eijk_ | eijk | 22:25 |
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| pupnik | TomCreer: i haven't heard of that mplayer issue before - if you could post the mplayer version, os version and how you installed it (from a file or web or .install file) to garage.maemo.org it might help the package maintainer become aware of an error | 22:30 |
| TomCreer | i don't think it's an mplayer issue | 22:30 |
| TomCreer | i'll post full log entry in sec | 22:30 |
| kupesoft | straind: With injection? | 22:30 |
| lle2 | anybody here with an intel mac interested in os x port of sb2? | 22:31 |
| TomCreer | Installing mplayer 1.0rc1-maemo.18.n770 | 22:31 |
| TomCreer | apt-worker: not configuring unrelated package vncviewer | 22:31 |
| TomCreer | apt-worker: not configuring unrelated package libsqlite0 | 22:31 |
| TomCreer | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 8883 | 22:31 |
| TomCreer | package `osso-applet-sound-l10n-itit': | 22:31 |
| TomCreer | invalid package name (character ` ' not allowed - only letters, | 22:31 |
| TomCreer | digits and -+._ allowed) | 22:31 |
| TomCreer | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) | 22:31 |
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| DaniloCesar | someone uses fmradio? I can't hear any useful sound, just the noises.... | 22:33 |
| kreig | plug in your headphones | 22:33 |
| kreig | they are the antaena (sp?) | 22:34 |
| pupnik | TomCreer: i've seen that three times now - /var/lib/dpkg/status is corrupt. You can restore from a backup statusfile in /var/lib/dpkg/ or edit the file yourself (textfile) to fix the offending line | 22:34 |
| TomCreer | pupnik : cheers :)P | 22:34 |
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| DaniloCesar | Do I need the original headphones? | 22:35 |
| notpeter | lle2: what's sb2? (I have an intel mac...) | 22:36 |
| qgil | DaniloCesar: just any headphones you can plug | 22:36 |
| lle2 | notpeter: http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2 | 22:36 |
| pupnik | no, but different headphones will give varying results with reception depending on lead length (in general with headphone antennae) | 22:36 |
| notpeter | lle2: Umm...yeah...that'd be sweet. Have you gotten it working for Maemo dev yet? | 22:37 |
| qgil | Sparr ? | 22:37 |
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| _Monkey | someone should fill in the blank | 22:37 |
| lle2 | notpeter: I've a ppc mac myself and am currently working on porting sb2 to it, would be nice to see how it goes with the intel version | 22:38 |
| notpeter | lle2: I've been doing my stuff with Ubuntu under parallels | 22:38 |
| DaniloCesar | pupnik, qgil, kreig, Thanks! its working | 22:38 |
| lle2 | notpeter: I've built some maemo debs using sb2 on a debian box, it's not there yet completely | 22:39 |
| lle2 | notpeter: I'd initially be just happy to see if it's at all possible to do sb2 style tricks on the os x. so far it looks quite promising | 22:39 |
| TomCreer | err, any easy way to press 'escape' on x term on 770? | 22:40 |
| lle2 | notpeter: I'll get back to you once I've got something running on my ppc mac | 22:40 |
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| lle2 | notpeter: might take a week or two | 22:40 |
| notpeter | lle2: sure. You can eamil me at 'not' + mynick + '@yahoo.com' | 22:42 |
| lle2 | ok | 22:42 |
| notpeter | i'm out...gotta go fix a printer that doesn't print the letter J. | 22:43 |
| notpeter | (no kidding) | 22:43 |
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| lle2 | TomCreer: isn't the back arrowy thingy esc? | 22:46 |
| TomCreer | ok :) | 22:48 |
| TomCreer | would maemo care if i just deleted /var/lib/dpkg/status? | 22:48 |
| Silicium | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0bKq3x74UE | 22:51 |
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| qgil | Silicium: i like the sofa | 22:54 |
| Silicium | lol | 22:54 |
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| qgil | milhouse: Carlos wrote today "We're close to releasing a new version of the hacker edition" -http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-August/011388.html - he knows better than me | 23:03 |
| lle2 | qgil: the kernel thing is strange | 23:05 |
| lle2 | qgil: I mean, there's really not that much preventing us from having an up to date kernel on it | 23:05 |
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| qgil | lle2: I'm really not following the details | 23:06 |
| qgil | lle2: you might want to discuss with Carlos or Joni | 23:06 |
| lle2 | qgil: sure, but omap1 is actively used by many, so the kernel is not in too bad shape for it | 23:07 |
| lle2 | qgil: it's mostly some minor breakage + our wifi | 23:07 |
| lle2 | qgil: and I would really like to have 770 supported with the new software releases, at least from core sw's point of view | 23:08 |
| lle2 | qgil: but it seems there's absolutely zero demand internally for it | 23:09 |
| qgil | lle2: sure, but... I'm really not involved in the HE :) I just posted the update now because milhouse was asking yesterday | 23:09 |
| ssvb | lle2: N800 kernel may have some OMAP1 related stuff broken (dspgateway?), see http://linux.omap.com/pipermail/linux-omap-open-source/2007-August/011016.html | 23:09 |
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| ssvb | lle2: this post confirms broken dsp theory: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-August/011392.html | 23:10 |
| lle2 | qgil: sure, but... I guess what I'm aiming at here is that I know a few guys who could really easily fix the 770 support in current kernel, in all other ways except maybe for the dsp and wifi | 23:11 |
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| qgil | lle2: should I insist that you could contact Carlos & Joni to discuss your ideas and proposal in a more fruitful way? | 23:12 |
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| lle2 | qgil: just that core doesn't have anyone to do it, or manage doing it. if somebody else would find it as something that's useful I would happily give pointers as to how to get it done in practise | 23:13 |
| qgil | lle2: my involvement in the HE is a) to make sure the project is there and b) write about it in maemo.org when a new release come | 23:13 |
| lle2 | qgil: yeah, but do you think it would be useful? I've not followed what 770 users want at all | 23:13 |
| qgil | lle2: I can copy&paste this log in an email and send it to Carlos - you could do the same, or just walk some meters and find him :) | 23:14 |
| lle2 | qgil: he's hiding in my kitchen?!? | 23:14 |
| qgil | lle2: most 770 users want Mozilla based browser, Skype, SIP support and whatever cool stuff available in the IT OS 2007 | 23:17 |
| lle2 | qgil: figures, people always want everything | 23:17 |
| pupnik | updating software for the tablet doesn't require an open wlan driver any less than it does on desktop linux | 23:17 |
| pupnik | /less/more/ | 23:18 |
| qgil | lle2: of course | 23:18 |
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| lle2 | pupnik: upgrading the kernel from 2.6.16(?) to 2.6.22 will definitely break the wlan driver, fixing it is not trivial, most likely. | 23:20 |
| amr | can i get gps to track where i am without a network connection | 23:20 |
| amr | if i downloaded the maps etc | 23:21 |
| amr | is it possible at all or is it a lost cause | 23:21 |
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| ssvb | qgil: are there any plans to make HE development more open or even relay it almost completely to the community? | 23:21 |
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| qgil | ssvb: the community can do completely the part that is currently open, unless someone goes ahead with some serious reverse engineering | 23:22 |
| qgil | ssvb: complicated | 23:22 |
| qgil | ssvb: more open development, I really don't know the short term details | 23:23 |
| qgil | ssvb: but | 23:23 |
| qgil | ssvb: (let me find a URL) | 23:23 |
| qgil | ssvb: perhaps http://desdeamericaconamor.org/blog/node/378 could influence in the openness and emancipation of the HE development | 23:24 |
| qgil | ssvb: perhaps | 23:24 |
| lle2 | if somebody sends a patch fixing 770 support in the kernel to linux-omap mailing list, it's very likely to be well received | 23:25 |
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| lle2 | but, as is quite often the case, it gets damn quiet when it would be time to actually do some of the dirty work instead of just talking about it. | 23:29 |
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| TomCreer | anyway to apt-get an app + its dependencies? | 23:33 |
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| ssvb | qgil: thanks, but that blog is quite long and seems to overcomplicate some things :) what a community developer needs is some way to 1. fix a problem in a core package (can be done if the sources of the package are available) 2. deploy the fix in a convenient way to end users who are willing to try it (we have some serious problems here) | 23:35 |
| qgil | ssvb: define 2 | 23:37 |
| qgil | ssvb: "convenient way" | 23:37 |
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| NeoStrider | anybody home? | 23:39 |
| NeoStrider | _Monkey: anybody home? | 23:40 |
| _Monkey | neostrider: bugger all, i dunno | 23:40 |
| pupnik | hi neo | 23:40 |
| amr | http://bergie.iki.fi/midcom-serveattachmentguid-23ae2cfed62711db8ed1550673c568ae68ae/maemomapper-openstreetmap-mapnik.jpg | 23:41 |
| amr | what theme is that | 23:41 |
| pupnik | what's wrong with the current kernel? | 23:41 |
| NeoStrider | hi | 23:41 |
| NeoStrider | have you tried my new release, pupnik? | 23:42 |
| bergie | amr: Plankton | 23:42 |
| _Monkey | Plankton is a good theme eh? | 23:42 |
| amr | cool thanks | 23:42 |
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| ssvb | qgil: first the developer needs to be sure that he does not introduce any problems while building the package and the only changes will be introduced by his fix (that means the result of building a package from the same sources by nokia and any other developer should be the same) | 23:46 |
| NeoStrider | gtg | 23:47 |
| NeoStrider | cya | 23:47 |
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| ssvb | qgil: second, it should be possible to build either a full firmware image with a replaced package or it should be possible to install a replacement for a core package from a .deb file without too much hassle | 23:48 |
| qgil | ssvb: deb packages, build dependencies resolution, sources available, update via packages or whole image... | 23:50 |
| qgil | ssvb: does that ring a bell? :) | 23:50 |
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| qgil | ssvb: isn't a distro a simplification (and not an overcomplication) of an integrated process taking care of all the elements you are describing? | 23:51 |
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| ssvb | qgil: not quite, centralized distro maintained by somebody who is not particularly interested in a random community developer's fixes slows down a lot of things quite significantly | 23:55 |
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| qgil | ssvb: "maintained by somebody who is not particularly interested in a random community developer's fixes" are your words | 23:56 |
| qgil | ssvb: from my point of view the logical principle is | 23:56 |
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| qgil | ssvb: if the maintainer is like this then it won't go ahead with a distro | 23:56 |
| qgil | ssvb: if the maintainer goes ahead with a distro is because is not like this | 23:57 |
| qgil | ssvb: the other options make no sense | 23:57 |
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| qgil | ssvb: but you could say that non-sense happens sometimes, yes :) | 23:58 |
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