IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2007-11-30

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jeff1fif it company wide, I might stop in!00:01
halleyWorth a check. :)00:01
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jeff1fSo does the remote on the n810 headset control track foward/reverse?00:31
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Palintheusanyone have any suggestions on phones to get, at&t service, that I would sometimes tether for internet to a N8x0?00:36
Palintheusnon-pda type00:36
pupnikgood question00:36
pupnikmaybe ITT search would help00:36
Palintheussearched a bit, mostly found bb, or other higher priced suggestions00:37
Palintheustether, use for a modem when no wifi avail00:37
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Palintheusand can't find any info on newer phones on itt (nokia 6555, samsung a73700:43
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doublecPalintheus: I use a Nokia N73. It works fine with the N800.00:51
zerojayPalintheus: I have both of those phones at work, I believe.00:51
zerojayPalintheus: I can check it for you tomorrow.00:51
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Palintheusthat would be great...trying to catch the sales att is having on their phones, and trying to plan for when I get my N8x0(still haven't decided between the 800 or 810)00:52
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zerojayWell, I can't promise that the providers here would have the exact same options.00:53
zerojayBut I'll let you know if I still have them.00:53
zerojayI know we had the prereleases a few months ago.00:54
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Palintheuswell if the phone will connect Im sure I can use at&t's date service, just want to make sure the phone will work without much work, unless its the provider I should be worried about00:55
zerojayWell, some providers disable certain features.00:57
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PalintheusIve not seen any issues or complaints on the forums with AT&T/Cingular00:58
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Palintheus::shrug:: will probably just end up getting the cheapest one that has bluetooth, 3g, and a decent review on phonescoop01:00
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inzohmygod, someone broke youtube01:07
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jeff1fPalintheus, if you get it all sorted out, be sure to make a post on itt about it01:09
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Palintheuswill do01:10
pupnikhere, product porn that can compete with N810  - best speaker bargains under $10,00001:12
oeverpupnik: no fibonacci based speakers?01:14
pupnikyou referring to B^W nautilus?01:14
pupnikthey are addressing a problem that these VMPSes do not have01:15
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oeverpupnik: yeah, i like the looks of those speakers (and the sound)01:19
pupnikwell cheap speakers have gotten a lot better since .. 1993 when i was heavily into this stuff :)01:20
pupnikbut if i can get a chance, i will set up a VMPS listening room - and charge 50 euro an hour or something01:21
oeverpupnik: what's vmps?01:22
oeverah, found it01:23
pupnika speaker designer who made his mark in the 80s01:23
oeverribbons speakers01:23
pupnikwith phase-aligned drivers01:23
oeverelectrostatic stuff i guess01:23
pupnikthen he found a ribbon that was better than the competition in 200201:23
GeneralAntillesHehe, my Axioms suite me well enough for now.01:23
pupnikgot a link GeneralAntilles ?01:23
GeneralAntillesYou can see the bottom of one of them there. ;)01:24
pupniki wish i were a speaker dealer sometimes01:25
oeveri think nautilus is expensive, no?01:25
oeverpupnik: 10k?01:26
pupniki am such an IDIOT for spending thousands on computers and not on good speakers01:26
pupnikVMPS range from 1600-23000 USD01:26
* oever drops jaw01:27
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GeneralAntillesYeah, but speakers like that will last you about forever.01:27
pupnikthose axioms have some good drivers01:28
GeneralAntillesI haven't heard anything better for the price.01:28
pupnikfriend of mine loved spicas, another loved bnw bookshelves01:29
* DRoBeR is away: out of order01:29
pupniki never had really good speakers - just some event 20/20 monitors (which had impressive performance)01:29
oeveri've some nice jambo ones atm01:30
oeverthey're already about 15 years old01:30
GeneralAntillesI need a better receiver at this point.01:30
GeneralAntillesGot a 500-series Onkyo. It's not bad, but a little on the weak side.01:31
pupnikgot myself two pair adcom gfa 565 monoblocks :)01:32
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pupnikyou can arc-weld with those amps :)01:32
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GeneralAntillesI'll be getting a Mac Pro before I do any audio upgrades, though.01:33
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pupnikright now i just have little 3 inch computer monitors - really SICK of no hi-end audio scene over here01:37
pupnikin this little puddle of a town01:37
GeneralAntillesTime to take out a small-business loan. :P01:37
zerojayJablet's got over 250 accounts now.01:38
zerojayI'm half considering doing that. ;P01:38
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GeneralAntillesSpeaking of which.01:40
* GeneralAntilles hands zerojay some virtual dollars.01:41
zerojayMonopoly money. :)01:41
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pupnikyeah these euros are harder to print01:45
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zerojayGeneralAntilles: Oh, man.. thank you very much.01:48
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GeneralAntillesSure thing.01:49
GeneralAntillesWe'll call it my service fee for 12 months. :P01:49
zerojayHaha.. sounds good. :)01:49
zerojayI can't get at it though, unfortunately.01:49
zerojayI think Tex has to connect it to a bank account before anything can be touched.01:49
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zerojayI don't know, I pretty much leave that end of things to him.01:50
GeneralAntillesYou can look, but not touch!01:50
zerojaySuch a tease. lol01:50
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zerojayNo, I'm not.01:50
zerojayOr your bot either.01:51
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corevettei just installed os2007 HE and it keeps crashing, is there  a program or something i can do to make it stop?02:29
pupnikthe OS?02:30
_Monkeythe os is the thing that gets apps into the problem in the first place, and the only thing it can do to deal with it is go around shooting things02:30
pupnikor browser02:30
_Monkeybrowser is open sources02:30
pupnikSTFU MONKEY02:31
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GeneralAntillesHe really needs a trigger.02:31
corevetteso what should i do02:31
pupnikI need a gun02:31
pupnikok script monkey fuck time is coming up real soon now02:31
pupnikevery god damn word in the dictionary is getting unlearned bitch ass bot02:32
pupniksorry corevette - when does it crash?02:32
corevettebrowsing the web mostly pupnik02:32
pupnikyou have a new version of 2007he?02:33
pupnikthere was a memory leak that got fixed 3 weeks ago02:33
corevetteyes pupnik02:33
corevettehow do i tell which is latest and which version i have02:33
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pupnikthe filename you flashed02:33
corevettewhat is latest02:34
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corevettepupnik: wheri s latest versiON02:37
pupniki dunno02:37
pupnik_Monkey: forget a02:38
_Monkeypupnik, I didn't have anything matching a02:38
pupnik_Monkey: forget b02:38
_Monkeypupnik, I didn't have anything matching b02:38
pupnik_Monkey: forget c02:38
_Monkeypupnik: I forgot c02:38
pupnik_Monkey: forget d02:38
_Monkeypupnik: I forgot d02:38
pupnik_Monkey: forget e02:38
_Monkeypupnik, I didn't have anything matching e02:38
pupnik_Monkey: forget f02:38
_Monkeypupnik, I didn't have anything matching f02:38
pupnik_Monkey: forget g02:38
_Monkeypupnik, I didn't have anything matching g02:38
pupnik_Monkey: forget h02:38
_Monkeypupnik, I didn't have anything matching h02:38
pupnik_Monkey: forget i02:38
_Monkeypupnik: I forgot i02:38
GeneralAntillesj. ;)02:38
pupnik_Monkey: I is <reply>02:38
_MonkeyOK, pupnik.02:38
pupnikFUCKHEAD BOT02:38
_Monkeyi guess nobody is outgoing.  they have trouble making friends themselves if they move02:40
pupnikFUCK HEAD BOT02:40
pupnikwho did this thing02:41
_Monkeytimeless is probably the microb architect02:41
_Monkeymilhouse is the owner of _monkey02:41
pupnikthere we go02:41
corevettepupnik: ping02:43
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corevetteshould i use: "2nd FIASCO image of the OS 2007 Hacker Edition for Nokia 770 Internet Tablets" or the "LATEST FIASCO image of the OS 2007 Hacker Edition for Nokia 770 Internet Tablets"02:44
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pupnikvote in ITT poll02:50
GeneralAntillesYou're slipping, pupnik. :P02:52
pupnikfor voting02:53
pupnikoh we will be annoying02:53
pupnikthe royal we, you understand02:53
pupnikthe ~schizophrenic~ we02:53
pupnik_Monkey: forget monkey02:54
_Monkeypupnik: I forgot monkey02:54
pupnik_Monkey: monkey is an incredibly, extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions the words occurring before "is" or "are".  Such as the word "monkey".02:56
_MonkeyOK, pupnik.02:56
_Monkeymonkey is an incredibly, extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions the words occurring before "is" or "are".  Such as the word "monkey".02:56
pupnik_Monkey: forget monkey02:56
_Monkeypupnik: I forgot monkey02:56
pupnik_Monkey: monkey is an incredibly, extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions the words occurring before "is" or "are".  Such as the word "monkey".  PLEASE VOTE ON WHETHER YOU WANT THIS BEHAVIOR TO STOP HERE -=-->>>>>>>  >>>>>>>  >>>>>>>  http://w02:57
pupnikcorevette: i dunno02:57
Robot101pupnik: this is more annoying than the bot ever was02:57
pupnikcorevette: i went back to 200602:57
Robot101pupnik: why not just ask milhouse to make it only speak when spoken to?02:57
pupnikannoying is in the mind of the annoyed02:57
Robot101they can be very useful02:58
pupnikbecause many people have done so for months02:58
Robot101a la, foo: tell bar about baz02:58
Robot101why do you think a survey will help any? :P02:58
pupnikvote in the poll!02:58
_Monkeymultiboot is "LILO supreme being - 5th element - protect *you*"
pupnik_monkey: forget monkey02:59
_Monkeypupnik, I didn't have anything matching monkey02:59
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pupnik_Monkey: monkey is an incredibly, extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions the words occurring before "is" or "are".  Such as the word "monkey".  PLEASE VOTE ON WHETHER YOU WANT THIS BEHAVIOR TO STOP HERE:
_Monkeythat entry is too long, pupnik02:59
_MonkeyOK, pupnik.02:59
pupnik_Monkey: monkey is an incredibly, extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions the words occurring before "is" or "are".  Such as the word "monkey".  VOTE TO STOP THIS HERE:
_Monkeyi'm sorry, but that entry is too long, pupnik03:00
_MonkeyOK, pupnik.03:00
pupnik_Monkey: monkey is an extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions any stored keyword - such as the word "monkey".  VOTE TO STOP THIS HERE:
_MonkeyOK, pupnik.03:00
*** pupnik changes topic to "monkey is an extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions any stored keyword - such as the word "monkey". VOTE TO STOP THIS HERE:"03:01
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zerojaypupnik: Hell yeah.03:16
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penguinbaitcdroms anyone?03:16
zerojaychange bot?03:16
_Monkeyzerojay: that doesn't look right03:16
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zerojayAwww.. it didn't crash.03:17
zerojayDamn it.03:17
zerojaychange life?03:17
_Monkeyzerojay: that doesn't look right03:17
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corevettehow do i connect my 770 to my computer via vncviewer?05:01
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GeneralAntillesinstall x11vnc and connect05:11
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oilGeneralAntilles: is the vnc-server available for os2008 yet? if it is, on which repository?05:22
GeneralAntillesJust pull it from the bora repo05:22
GeneralAntillesit works fine.05:23
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zerojayIt does?05:23
GeneralAntillesThe proof. ;)05:23
oilhmm. I just can find vncviewer, not the server05:29
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edthow difficult is the port to os2008?  If its not too hard would someone beable to complete pwsafe-1.2 for it?  Its the one app stopping me from  going to the new os on my n800.05:36
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oilGeneralAntilles: big thanks. it does work05:37
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e-squizoI have the feeling that my scratchbox installation is botched (my fault), and I want to reinstall it from scratch... is there a recommended procedure to uninstalll scratchbox (I installed it through the script)05:39
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halleyWell, the N810 "map" app is nowhere near as polished as a Garmin, but it does have a lot better data than my 10 year old unit.05:43
halleyI thought running the screen for a 45min drive would drain the battery to nothing, too.05:44
GeneralAntillesIt's hard to compete with a Garmin.05:44
GeneralAntillesThe Nuvis are some pretty hot shit these days.05:44
halleyAgreed, though I don't give a crap about the point-to-point-turn-here-drive-two-miles-turn-there features.05:45
halleyI just want to be able to *effortlessly* mark where I am, and then tell it which marks I want to approach.05:45
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halleyThe Garmin is good at that, this map software has a long way to go.  It required several presses to save a new mark (not counting the typing).05:46
halleyOne bug in the map software; if I disable the GPS, it starts asking every 10sec "Do you want to enable GPS? [OK] [Cancel]" no matter what I'm doing.05:51
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truenixhey guys.. still looking for ruby-dbus download for n800.. anyone know of a site?06:06
truenixor a good libconic tutorial for n80006:07
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a-l-p-h-ais samba07:07
a-l-p-h-asamba is07:07
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a-l-p-h-ahmm... okay... is there a samba client for os2007 hacker edition?07:08
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corevettedo you think it would be possible to create my desktop resolution on my pc the same as my 770 so when I use vnc, it loads exactly what is on the screen?08:49
corevettewithout scrolling08:50
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K`zanNight folks09:24
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ptit_sebHi, I have question on GPS Navicore for n77009:49
ptit_sebI would like use module bluetooth an software naviore on n800 instead of n77009:50
ptit_sebis what it works?09:50
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GeneralAntillesptit_seb, what's this thing you call "n770"?09:56
GeneralAntillesAlso: yes.09:57
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ptit_sebI call n770, the Nokia Tablet n77009:58
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GeneralAntillesThere's no such thing as an "n770"09:58
GeneralAntillesThere's a 770.09:58
GeneralAntillesBut no "n770"09:58
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GeneralAntillesThe bundled GPS unit will work on any of the Nokia ITs (770/N800/N810)09:59
ptit_sebsorry ;)09:59
GeneralAntillesI'm not sure about moving the software license10:00
GeneralAntillesbut I'm fairly certain it'll be usable with the new bundled Map application in OS2008.10:00
ptit_sebeven if the OS differs (OS2006 for 770 and OS2007 for n800...)10:01
GeneralAntillesThe bluetooth GPS unit will work with anything10:01
keesjwow. video calling with gizmo on the n800/n810!10:01
GeneralAntillesThe software is available for both the 770 and the N80010:01
GeneralAntillesand the licenses should work on both.10:02
dhrhas anyone here used Nokia LD-3W GPS with "mapper"?10:02
GeneralAntillesIt will work fine, dhr.10:02
dhrwow -- just as I was typing my query, GPS comes up in discussion!10:02
keesjwith skype 2.0 beta video calling for linux we might even get two programs who perform good video calling10:02
dhrI'm trying to use "mapper", the variant of maemo-mapper meant for Open Street Map10:03
dhrIt does not seem to see the GPS unit.10:03
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ptit_sebOK, it is by the fact that I have one 770 with GPS and I like to buy one n800 (not n810) but not to buy a second time GPS!10:03
dhrI have the navcore software, but for the wrong continent :-).  It seems to see the GPS (more lights blink on the GPS with navcore than anything else).10:04
dhrwith a lot of work, mapper can get into a mode saying "searching for GPS".  But it doesn't yet find it.10:05
GeneralAntillesThere may be an option under prefs, dhr.10:08
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GeneralAntillesWhat OS are you running?10:08
GeneralAntillesI know there was some issue with earlier builds of 2.0 not acquiring GPS10:08
GeneralAntillesif mapper is some kind of fork10:09
GeneralAntillesit may not have the patches10:09
GeneralAntillesShould you be able to use maemo mapper with OSM with the main branch?10:09
ptit_sebsorry OS200710:09
dhrI'm using
dhrMy OS is 2006.10:10
GeneralAntillesmapper I can't help with10:12
dhrI have some bluetooth applet (I don't know the correct term) installed with an icon in the top right bar.10:12
GeneralAntillesOS2006 is older than I remember clearly.10:12
dhrOK, I'll remove mapper and try maemo-mapper.10:12
GeneralAntillesI don't recall if I used a 3rd party bluetooth plugin or not.10:12
dhrwhat OS do you recommend for a 770?10:13
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GeneralAntillesRight now? Probably OS200610:15
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dhrthe bluetooth plugin package is called maemo-bt-plugin (I just checked)10:15
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dhrGeneralAntilles: my application manager offers me maemo-mapper 1.3.5  -- is that too old?  You mentioned 2.010:18
GeneralAntillesSeems like it should be 1.4.2 or 4.310:19
GeneralAntilles2.0 is OS2007 or better10:19
GeneralAntillesCheck maemo mapper's website.10:19
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dhrIt looks as if 2.x can run on os2006.  Is that a wise choice?10:21
GeneralAntillesYes and no10:21
GeneralAntillesYes, because it's fucking awesome.10:21
GeneralAntillesand no, because it's a little slower than 1.x10:21
GeneralAntillesThough it gives you about a 50% storage savings with map caching.10:22
dhrwe want to get something up for creating OSM maps.  A mapping weekend here.10:22
doc|homeso, anyone know when libglade stuff will be fixed? :/10:25
GeneralAntillesAny luck pulling the bora edition?10:29
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dhrthis is painful for a newbie.  maemo-mapper requires libsqlite3.  applications manager only offers me sqlite0.  How is one supposed to find what repos are prudent to include?10:38
GeneralAntillesSearchable and everything10:39
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dhrnow I'm really confused.  I have enabled and it has libsqlite3.  So why does application manager not offer it?10:43
dpb_because it's a library and you're not in red pill mode10:44
GeneralAntillesIt should resolve it, though.10:45
GeneralAntillesrefresh the repos and try installing maemo mapper.10:45
dhrwell, it didn't offer me a nice version of maemo-mapper so I downloaded it and used dpkg -i.  I tried to specify the .deb to application manager but its file selector could not see /home/user/...10:47
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GeneralAntillesapt-get install libsqlite3 wont work?10:48
dhr"apt-get install libsqlite3" didn't work either.10:48
GeneralAntillesWell, red-pill isn't a bad place to start10:48
GeneralAntillesAdd a new repo10:49
GeneralAntillestype in "matrix" in the URL field10:49
GeneralAntillesthen hit cancel10:49
GeneralAntillesand select the red pill.10:49
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GeneralAntillesThen try the apt-get install again.10:49
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GeneralAntillesYou know what I don't miss? OS2005.10:50
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dhrstill doesn't work.  I had better stare at my repo declarations.10:52
GeneralAntillesHow about that?10:53
dhrright.  That was what I was saying earlier.10:54
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dhranything obviously wrong here?:
dhrsome URLs end in / and some do not.  Does that matter?10:59
GeneralAntillesNo, not as far as I've ever been able to tell.11:00
GeneralAntillesIt'd bitch at you if there were a problem.11:00
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dhrthere are mysteries.  A couple of hours ago, application manager complained that it could not get to a particular IPv6 IP address.11:01
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dhrnow in needs libgpsmgr.  gronmayer says that is only in maemo garage, for gregale.  Does that mean I cannot use it?11:11
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rothielHi guys :)11:12
* dhr goes to bed. Very late (4:15 AM here).11:13
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AD-N770bon dia / good morning11:26 is behaving weird11:26 sucks. ;)11:26
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hugolpanyone can comment on Laika (the eclipse plugin for maemo) ? Im about to port one of my gtk programs to meamo and Im trying to figure out the best way11:28
keesjin what language is your app written?>11:29
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keesjI don't know any users of that plugin11:33
hugolpthe development seems outdated, it only talks about N770 and no changes since 200611:34
hugolpguess not the best option11:34
* timeless sighs11:39
* timeless *hates* svn11:39
timelesswould someone please tell me a safe way to get svn not to do recursive locking?11:39
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GeneralAntillesI could tell you an unsafe way.11:41
timelessi'm listening11:42
GeneralAntillesOK, get yourself a hammer.11:42
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timelessgo one11:42
timelessgo on11:42
GeneralAntillesNow beat the server for about 5 minutes.11:43
GeneralAntillesYou should be set. ;)11:43
timelessserver's on the wrong side of at least one ocean11:43
timelesscan you provide the plane tickets too?11:43
hugolptimeless:  depending on wich side of the ocean I can do it for you11:44
GeneralAntillesI could tell you how to get them.11:44
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timelesshugolp: i think the box in question is in some secure hosting area11:44
GeneralAntillesFirst, you need that hammer again.11:44
GeneralAntillesThen find a ticket agent.11:44
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KhertanHi !11:57
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inzdamnit, i think my laptop's hdd is done...12:02
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GeneralAntillesWho to I bitch to about the braindead backlight brightness controls?12:13
GeneralAntillesWhy did they have to go and make the darkest setting super-bright?12:14
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roccomy battery life is awaful since the switch to beta 2008 is this known?12:29
roccoI oculd leave it on idle for about 3-4 days12:29
roccoit didn't even last a day now on 200812:29
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GeneralAntillesMy guess is that you've got something running away12:40
GeneralAntillesRSS applet?12:40
_MonkeyRSS applet is useless12:40
GeneralAntilles_Monkey forget rss applet12:40
_MonkeyGeneralAntilles: I forgot rss applet12:40
GeneralAntilles_Monkey RSS applet is a CPU hog12:40
_MonkeyOK, GeneralAntilles.12:40
GeneralAntillesBut really, rocco, the best answer is to just plug it in when you're at home and not using it.12:42
roccoi just hate doing that to batteries12:42
roccoI know Lions are supposed to be ok with it12:43
roccoold habits die hard12:43
roccothere is no rss applet12:43
GeneralAntillesIn truth, discharging the battery down to nothing all the time actually does a LOT more harm than anything else you could do (minus shorting it or leaving it in a hot car for a few days)12:44
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roccooh i know that12:45
roccoI never go down to less than 2 bars12:45
roccoI was just suprised12:45
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roccoi used to get about 6 hours constant use12:45
roccoI use it about 15-30 a day12:46
roccoand it used to be left on all the time, and lasted about 4 days normally...and only went down to 2 bars12:46
GeneralAntillesI'm still sticking to the runaway idea.12:46
GeneralAntillesAlso, have your connection habits changed?12:46
roccothe only thing I did do was enable usb host mode, but didn't use it12:47
roccowell only for a few seconds12:47
roccoplugged in a usb stick and copied a few files12:47
roccothen unmounted and disconnected12:47
GeneralAntillesWell, here's an incredibly unscientific test:12:50
GeneralAntillesopen up xterm and leave the device idle for a few seconds12:51
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GeneralAntillesthen run: cat /proc/cpuinfo12:51
keesjrocco on the n800 I never had more then max a few hours use12:51
keesjIf I don't put it on the wall power all the time it's always empty(even overnight)12:51
roccokeesj, wow12:51
roccomine was awesome12:51
GeneralAntillesI got 4-ish hours of video flying out to California for thanksgiving on OS200812:52
keesjI als have a 770 and that worked like you described, it was more like a phone and just kept running12:52
keesjon one battery?12:52
GeneralAntillesand about 5 hours of browsing at my layover in atlanta12:52
GeneralAntillesSo, my battery life hasn't really changed from OS200712:52
GeneralAntillesI brought 3 with me12:53
keesjperhaps it's the wifi/gmail that hogs?12:53
sven-tekHi! I run os2008 on n800 and experience that i can not unlock the screen. Second time now. It says press (i) and then # (enter button in the cross). It does not react when i press the # then, like the button was defective. Now i have to remove the battery because i cant do anything else.12:53
roccoi always turn off my wifi when not in use12:53
GeneralAntillesonly changed it out once when I forgot to charge the morning before I left to come back.12:53
GeneralAntillesIt's a known bug, sven-tek.12:53
GeneralAntillesVote here:
sven-tekcool there is a camera trick12:55
sven-tekcool idea12:55
GeneralAntillesAlso, if anybody wants to get the lowest brightness setting back:
roccoseems to be freq scaling ok13:00
GeneralAntillesThen maybe wifi.13:01
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* ccooke notes that his n810 "should" arrive today. Which means if it does, I'll not be at home. Damn.13:08
GeneralAntillesCall in sick. ;)13:09
murraycOh, can we order them now?13:09
ccookeGeneralAntilles: it's my last day at this job. :-)13:09
ccookemurrayc: I ordered mine on the 1st of November, IIRC13:09
ccookeooh. They are actually now in stock at the place I ordered them13:10
ccookeyay - the one day nobody is going to be home all day, I'm expecting a delivery13:10
ccookePerfect :-)13:10
GeneralAntillesGot a safe place for the driver to drop it?13:10
lardmanstill not in the UK Nokia shop though :(13:10
GeneralAntillesLeave a note and your cell number. ;)13:10
murraycThey aren't in the Nokia online shop for Germany yet.13:10
ccooke(although the price has gone up a bit since I ordered)13:11
ccookeyou can definitely get them cheaper13:11
[pablo]I never thought living in the states would be a benefit heh13:12
ccooke[pablo]: the UK has always been a bit overpriced for electronics13:12
[pablo]i didn't think it was that much13:13
[pablo]that's about $220 USD more than I paid for mine13:13
ccookewhich is why I was very interested to note the companies that will let you rent a US postal address - one with a web interface, allowing you to ship anything that arrives there at very nice rates.13:13
[pablo]thats a pretty good idea13:13
ccookeI could get a macbook pro ordered in the US, shipped to the UK. Even including all the customs charges, I'd save about $100013:14
ccooke(the price difference is about $1500. $500 is eaten by shipping and customs)13:14
roccoccooke, wow13:15
roccoand it's all legal?13:15
ccookerocco: yes. You rent the address, you have to send a form off to the USPS which registers you with them.13:15
ccookeI found one company by accident, but a quick search found another four13:16
ccookethere's actually a working business model with competition.13:16
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lardmanget a flight over for $50013:18
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ccooke - I don't remember if this is the best of them13:18
ccookelardman: then possibly get stung by customs on the way in...13:18
[pablo]if you open it up they have no way of knowing you didn't leave with it do they?13:19
ccooke - this one has a rate calculator. Nice stuff.13:19
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bedboihi there.13:29
|tbb|anyone knows where to get become root as deb file for n800 os2008, the wiki on ITT for os-application that works, doesnt work.13:30
[pablo]|tbb|: Eko One repo has the becomeroot package13:32
[pablo]works on OS2008 for n81013:32
|tbb|plz post the repro13:33
[pablo]|tbb|: and search for 'becomeroot'13:34
florianhi bedboi13:34
bedboihey florian13:34
|tbb|is someone around who using succesfully a bt stereo-headset with a2dp on a n800 os2008?13:41
|tbb|[pablo]: thx13:41
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GeneralAntillesNo A2DP support under OS2008 yet.13:42
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|tbb|no hack around?13:43
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[pablo]not that I have seen13:46
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niv_one_threehi all, I am new here, I am reading about how to build my own kernel for the n80013:47
GeneralAntillesAnybody getting fairly frequent desktop crashes under the new beta?13:47
niv_one_threeI just want to make sure I understand: is the nokia provided kernel open? where may I see the source?13:48
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|tbb|GeneralAntilles: the hack which is described for os 2007 works for 2008?13:52
GeneralAntillesAs far as I know.13:52
sp3000niv_one_three: giyf?
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sp3000(ok, the link google turned up was to the bora variant, but... :)13:53
* sp3000 is only a linkbot though and doesn't know anything beyond that13:54
niv_one_threesp3000 thanks13:54
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roccohmmm my n800 just rebooted14:10
roccoit was doing nothing14:10
roccoand suddenly just went14:10
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solmumahait's not getting enough attention14:11
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GeneralAntillesrocco, evidently the hardware watchdog decided that something was hung. ;)14:12
jumpularocco: using ad-hoc wlan networks?14:12
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_Monkeymonkey is an extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions any stored keyword - such as the word "monkey".  VOTE TO STOP THIS HERE:
roccovery odd14:18
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lardmanmilhouse: what's your opinion of _Monkey?14:23
zerojaylardman: It's his bot, so what do you think he thinks of it? :)14:24
sp3000gobbling up unaddressed factoids isn't a problem with a single-channel bot14:24
sp3000spewing factoids unaddressed is :)14:24
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lardmanI was just asking if he agrees that it should only speak when spoken to14:25
lardmanwas going to ask at least14:26
zerojayIt shouldn't be here, period.14:26
lardmanwell some bots can be useful14:26
lardmanfor example:14:26
infobot[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : , , , ,
lardmanthat's a useful use for a bot14:26
pupnikwho made infobod?14:27
lardmanI wonder if Monkey remembers that now14:27
_Monkeyhmmm... pastebin is http://maemo.pastebin.org14:27
lardmanwell, that's vaguely useful14:28
zerojayNo, it's not.14:28
pupnikmonkey does have a lot of useful factoids now14:28
lardmanyes, just ought to be ask for them rather than randomly giving14:28
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Khertansomeone know if it s possible to get all available wifi ap in python without gui ?14:31
Khertanor maybe is there a c code snippet that do that ?14:31
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* timeless gives up14:32
timelesshopefully that'll get properly indexed14:32
timelessthe first attempt at indexing maemo failed (the indexer was killed by dreamhost)14:32
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zerojaySo I got my little hack to get songs Media Player plays to be sent to Maemoscrobbler... and it mostly works.14:33
sp3000Khertan: gconf14:33
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sp3000hopefully without needing to parse bin/gconftool output... :|14:34
|tbb|could it be that sudo doesnt work on n800 os2008  anymore, ive installed it succesfully from the repro pupnik posted14:34
|tbb|now i type sudo gainroot and then it ask me for an password14:34
zerojayAnd then I somehow got a song called "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ01234567890" by "stdout" reported to wtf.14:34
MoRpHeUzzerojay: hehehe =)14:35
sp3000stdout are awesome14:35
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zerojayNot quite sure how it happened.14:35
zerojayEverything else listed worked.14:35
Khertansp3000: i don't need the know ap ... what i want is in discovering of all ap available ...14:36
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sp3000ah. dunno14:36
zerojayKhertan: You'll have to do it in two passes, I believe.14:36
|tbb|anyone else got that problem? is the repro false?14:37
sp3000"abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ01234567890" rather sounds like a modern version of a jackson 5 song14:37
sp3000the kind you would find in gh3 if the videos are any indication14:38
Khertanzerojay> in two passes ... maybe ... but how ? gconf only store know ap14:38
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GeneralAntillesWorks fine for me, |tbb|, did you try rootme?14:42
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[pablo]horray netsplit!14:46
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timelessi'm now an anonymous poster to maemo-developers14:51
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Khertangrrrr stupid netsplit14:57
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|tbb|pablo have u seen what i have posted?14:59
[pablo]no, what?14:59
|tbb|could it be that sudo gainroot doesnt work on n800 os2008  anymore, ive installed it succesfully from the repro pablo posted15:00
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[pablo]i'm not sure, i haven't used it on an n800 =/15:00
GeneralAntillesIt works fine, |tbb|15:00
[pablo]in theory it should be the same though15:00
GeneralAntillesdid you try 'rootme'?15:00
|tbb|as password?15:01
GeneralAntillesIf you can't get it to work, then you're doing something wrong. :)15:01
|tbb|Sorry, try again15:01
GeneralAntillesDid you change the password?15:02
|tbb|i was using becomeroot on n770 also on n800 with Os2007, also with the image of the n810 it always was working but now it wont work15:02
GeneralAntillesHave you been muxing around with sudoers or something?15:03
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GeneralAntilles(there's no such thing as an 'n770' :))15:03
|tbb|ive not changed the password also the password rootme has never worked for me on any tablet i was having15:03
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GeneralAntillesInteresting, it's always been rootme for me.15:04
dpb_sudo doesn't use the root password.15:04
[pablo]|tbb|: have you changed your users password?15:04
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[pablo]the becomeroot package is designed to not require a password for the command though15:05
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|tbb|no i havent15:06
|tbb|damn got to reflash the device, then i am for sure15:06
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|tbb|will a backup save the installed application and settings on that os200815:07
dpb_it saves the installed applications?15:07
[pablo]no, it saves what applications are installed, and reinstalls them15:08
[pablo]when you restore15:08
[pablo]but if you install from a .deb it wont be able to find it in the repo's15:08
[pablo]so you'll need to save those15:08
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[pablo]i just created a debs directory in the backup directory on my memory card, and saved all the apps i install straight from a deb there15:08
[pablo]so they are there when I restore15:08
|tbb|will it change the user password if i allready have changed it (what i dont have!)15:09
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[pablo]i also ran into a small problem when restoring, it still disables maemo extras by default causing a lot of not found application and dependency conflicts, once restore finished I had to run apt-get -f install from command line before I could continue using package manager15:09
dpb_don't think so..15:10
[pablo]it shouldn't save that in the backup, but i haven't tried it15:10
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GeneralAntillesAnybody having trouble with the desktop crashing when waking an attached bluetooth keyboard from sleep with the OS2008 beta?15:10
GeneralAntillesIt makes note of what you have installed and reinstalls them when you restore the backup.15:10
GeneralAntillesThough it does not save menu positions, so you have to give it those again.15:10
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[pablo]GeneralAntilles: it saved manu position for some of my apps, not all of them though15:11
GeneralAntillesDidn't work that way for me, [pablo].15:11
GeneralAntillesIt did disable extras.15:11
GeneralAntillesbut I didn't have any problem with reenabling it and running the restore process again.15:11
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GeneralAntillesIt didn't save menu position for any of mine15:11
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GeneralAntillesNor did it keep the menu positions of the bundled apps.15:12
[pablo]yeah those didn't keep for me either15:12
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GeneralAntillesBug 2393?15:13
_MonkeyBug 2393 might be found at
GeneralAntillesIs the one.15:13
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[pablo]i'd have to do it again and pay attention, but i know all of the apps that prompt you where to install it in the menu remembered where I had had them, not sure what the other ones did15:13
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GeneralAntillesOne of these should be resolved as duplicate, but which?
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[pablo]the first one? the second one seems to follow whatever guidelines there may be a bit better15:18
GeneralAntillesGood enough for me!15:18
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* Tak blinks at the topic15:20
Takeverybody at once: /help ignore15:20
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JaffaMorning, all15:33
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GeneralAntillesHowdy, Jaffa.15:36
[pablo]he's a conversational bot now too apparently?15:37
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GeneralAntilles_Monkey is many things, but 'useful' is not one of them.15:37
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GeneralAntillestimeless, what's the word on the browser liking to steal focus during activity while its in the background?15:43
[pablo]i wonder if he stored that =P15:43
[pablo]is there a command line equivelant of pressing the power button and selecting lock device?15:45
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|tbb|wow that backup tool rocks, now15:47
|tbb|k not really15:48
|tbb|if a installing progress fails it stops the whole process15:49
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|tbb|how can i start it again, and do i have the chance to sort the order how the installing proccess should go, like 1. python 2. maemo-mapper 3.......15:50
[pablo]it didn't stop it for me, just prompted me to acknowledge that it did not work15:50
GeneralAntillesIt's in the menu15:50
[pablo]main menu in application manager has a "restore application" option15:50
GeneralAntilleswhere refresh repos is15:50
[pablo]under tools15:50
|tbb|a k15:50
dpb_[pablo]: most likely there's a dbus command to lock the device, but dunno what it is. :)15:51
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[pablo]the osso-statusbar-menu app allows running terminal commands from it's drop down, would be far more convenient than the power button heh15:52
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[pablo]i shall start digging15:52
|tbb|when a programm is updated, will it allready download and install the updated version?15:52
|tbb|anyone familar with ukmp?15:53
[pablo]no, you have to click on check for updates, and update each app manually15:53
inzpablo, hint: mce-dev, dbus-send15:53
inzwhat is osso-statusbar-menu btw?15:54
|tbb|is vpnc only for cisco routers?15:55
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|tbb|btw: i wonder how big is the community increase on irc in #maemo15:56
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dpb_increase from what?15:57
[pablo]inz: a cpu/memory monitor15:57
|tbb|visitors instead of some years ago15:57
[pablo]inz: comes builtin with a 'take screenshot' option and allows you to add other commands to run from it's menu ... quite useful, although sticks out like a sore thumb in the 'tray' area15:58
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hugolpcan sdk 3.2 and skd 4.0 live in the same computer?16:04
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alteregohugol, all SDK's can live on the same machine.16:04
hugolpalterego:  thanks16:05
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[pablo]... /usr/share/docs/ is purged by something called docpurge? any idea how to have it not do that so I can read docs?16:14
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kaltsi[pablo]: apt-get remove docpurge ?16:16
Andy80hi all16:16
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kaltsi[pablo]: it works by installing a script under /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ and whenever you install a package it empties those certain directories16:18
[pablo]kaltsi: can I just download the contents of a certain package from somehwhere?16:19
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kaltsi[pablo]: most packages yes.. which are you interested in?16:19
[pablo]thank you =)16:21
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kaltsithat's in the SDK repository.. you can browse it with your browser like that.. not a good browsing experience however :)16:21
|tbb|is vpnc only for cisco routers?16:23
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_Monkeyhola, lopz16:37
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florianbedboi: I have something for you...17:00
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florianbedboi: Some gpe-sudoku stuff... check your GMail inbox :-)17:07
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Segnale007hi there17:55
_Monkeybonjour, Segnale00717:55
|tbb|anyone familar with vpnc17:57
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Jaffaplanet dead18:06
Jaffait's the weekend :)18:06
zoranmars already dead18:06
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rothielI have trouble with the sdk18:09
rothielwith ffmpeg... correctly installed18:09
rothielbut gcc returns me an error18:09
rothielis there someone who succeeds to compile for N800 a prog with use of the ffmpeg library ?18:10
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Jaffarothiel: see mplayer in garage?18:16
rothielI'm going to see that :)18:17
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jikolupis there anything in particular that needs to be done for the n810 gps to work other than launching the mapping application?18:45
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pupnikwell, first it needs to be built, paid-for, then delivered18:46
jikoluphehe :>18:47
jikolupI think mine is defective, it's not picking up any sattelites in the status bar18:47
jikolupI tried outdoors too but not result18:47
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pupnikthey say it can take a few minutes18:49
jikolupyeah I left it for like 15minutes both outdoors and indoors18:49
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pupnikmaybe the USA is about to attack your country18:49
jikolupgood point, our satellites are jammed it seems like18:50
jikoluphowever my other gps works fine18:50
pupniki was hoping to use the gps in the N81018:51
jikolupalso it seems that the navigation part is not free18:51
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pupnikthere's a free and a pay-service map18:53
jikolupI meant the navigation system18:53
jikolupI wonder if I have to register for that in order for it to work, they don't allow any registration until tomorrow (dec 1st) but that doesn't make sense the sattelite should pick up18:54
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fysajikolup: try leaving it outdoors again for an hour or so.19:24
fysaBTW, where do you live? ;)19:24
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czrtimelyx, at least README works now :-)19:32
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jikolupfysa miami19:38
jikolupfysa: I left it just now19:38
fysasorry, I can't get there in an hour.. I'm way up in Tampa19:38
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jikoluphehe xD19:39
jikolupI guess it's because of the trees and stuff there is barely any eye of sight to the sky :>19:40
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truenixanyone use ruby-dbus at all?19:40
felipectruenix: I do19:40
Segnale007hi there19:40
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felipecor at least used to do19:40
Segnale007I have just get a new and beautiful N80019:41
Segnale007I have installed osso-xterm19:41
Segnale007the question is19:41
Segnale007what is the root password ?19:41
_Monkeythe root password is rootme19:41
Segnale007ok lol19:41
truenixfelipec, first off once i get a service handle.. how do i get a list of available objects?19:41
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truenixfelipec, and have you gotten it to work as is on n800?19:42
truenixi get Nil to String errors19:42
Segnale007rootme doesn't work :(19:42
Segnale007help me please19:42
czrSegnale007, OS2008?19:42
_Monkeyos2007 is dead.19:43
czrSegnale007, how are you trying to get root?19:43
truenixdownload becomeroot and then use 'sudo gainroot'19:43
Segnale007root doesn't work19:43
* czr sighs19:43
felipectruenix: it depends on the implementation you are using19:43
truenixbut im not partial to anything :P i just want something that works on the n800..19:44
truenixif you have a recommendation i'll take it ;)19:44
_Monkeysomebody is probably filing bugs with the arm core to bugzilla?19:45
Segnale007told me19:45
Segnale007try to install becomeroot19:45
Segnale007and ok .. I don't know what is it19:45
czrbleh. can't I vote against monkey without registering for yet another account on yet another website19:45
Segnale007but .. now I try19:45
jikolupSegnale007 you can use the flasher tool to enable rd mode and do sudo gainroot from an xterminal19:45
felipectruenix: I think that's the best implementation, I haven't worked with that on the n80019:45
jikolupthen reset the passwd to whatever19:46
Segnale007ok man19:46
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truenixfelipec, ok.. well once i got a service i want.. how do i get the possible object paths?19:46
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felipectruenix: p service.introspect ?19:51
sp3000czr: meh, I think we have a consensus19:53
czrhi sp3000. on what?19:54
* czr just woke up19:54
sp3000on that which would be voted on19:54
czrwhat's the consensus then?19:54
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czrM should die? please tell it's so :-)19:54
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sp3000or, let's put it this way: seconds on "monkey should not talk when not addressed"? anyone opposed?19:55
_Monkeymonkey is an extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions any stored keyword - such as the word "monkey".  VOTE TO STOP THIS HERE:
sp3000I'll count that19:55
czrI don't oppose. spoken-to- would be very nice.19:55
sp3000but, uhm, I don't think anyone's spoken up in support of the spewage19:56
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czrwhy would they?19:56
sp3000just saying, vote is funny when there's no other side to it :)19:56
czrmaybe should also vote on "whether bots should be left running when the person running them is never around"19:56
sp3000where a side is I think generally understood to be a set larger than one19:57
czrsize can be zero too apparently, otherwise this would've been fixed ages ago :-)19:57
sp3000speaking of waking up, I should go to bed19:57
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czrnight sp300019:57
sp3000we kinda have no enforcement :)19:58
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ZaMaLaRz100 packets send to '' for 5 minutes.19:58
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sp3000...that I know of19:59
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sp3000speaking of which19:59
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mgedminwhat the...?19:59
sp3000or, siinä maha missä ...19:59
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sp3000kids <320:01
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czrsp3000, maha?20:03
sp3000...missä painitaan20:03
mgedmin"too bubbly"?20:03
czrI rather liked how the bot used powers-of-two algo when building the nicks20:03
czrI'm guessing the nicks are zombie host ips20:04
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* sp3000 doesn't see join/parts, cz triggers conference mode by default for this size channel20:04
* Tak doesn't see join/part either20:05
*** sp3000 changes topic to "development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | | | | | milhouse, please make the bot not talk unless taked to, thanks."20:05
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Takhey, leave me out of this!20:05
sp3000I was themted to fix it to taktaktaked to20:05
sp3000tempted even20:05
czrI've disabled join/parts as well. just looking at the nicks really20:06
czr4 two char "parts" for each nick20:06
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czreach two char could encode one octet of IPv420:06
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czralthough I'm not sure how the upper/lower-casing was set. didn't seem significant20:06
mgedminease of reading, perhaps20:07
czrhmm. MoRpHeUz, do you know anything of this? :-)20:08
czryour nick fits the bill ;-)20:08
czrhmm. too bad the irclog does not records ips20:09
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czr"*** ZaMaLaRz changes topic to "Owned""20:09
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czrchannel takeover attempt I guess20:10
pupniksorry about the monkey topic.  that was my fault.20:10
hugolphi, wich gtk version do I need to compile a program for the N800?20:10
mgedminthe one from the SDK, perhaps?20:11
jeff1f  Another 770 bluetooth hacker20:11
czrpupnik, is it protected now?20:11
pupniki dunno20:11
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czrguess not?20:11
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czrhmm. anyone know who has ops for this channel?20:12
czrso it seems20:12
czr"last seen 3 weeks 1 day"20:12
czrany secondaries?20:13
pupnikapparently not me!20:13
mgedmin/msg chanserv access #maemo list20:13
mgedminI don't know any of those people20:13
czrah, thanks mgedmin20:14
czrtsavola, ping20:14
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tsavolaczr: yo20:14
czrtsavola, you can get chanops on request?20:14
czrat least can20:15
pupnikwow fuchs has been into maemo since long time20:15
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tsavolaczr: i don't think i can anymore :)20:15
czrtsavola, heh. do you know "Toni"?20:15
tsavolabecause of that weird nat/movial/x-gayness20:15
tsavolaczr: yes20:15
czrtsavola, can you ask him to pop in on the channel and protect the topic against changes?20:15
tsavolaczr: send mail to toni.willberg@movial.fi20:15
czrand fix your access so that we can at least ask you to do something when necessary20:15
czrToni_, around?20:16
mgedminhiding behind an underscore!20:16
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czrToni_, when/if you are, please check the scrollback from here up.20:16
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pupnikwhat's the problem, czr?20:17
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mgedminvandal bots changing /topic20:17
mgedminbut what's the proposed solution?20:17
mgedminit's not that hard to go to and restore the last sane topic20:18
pupnikchuck norris20:18
_Monkeychuck norris is a supreme being20:18
czrheh pupnik20:18
czrmgedmin, unless you want to battle with bots20:18
czrmgedmin, these ones were nice, they left after changing20:18
czror rather, this one20:18
* czr shrugs20:18
* mgedmin wonders if this happens often20:19
czrI don't know how these things are normally kept in place. most chans where I hang around have protected topics20:19
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czrdoesn't seem to happen too often. 12 topic changes since Oct 02, including the ones above20:21
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bunkhi, is anyone here how could tell me where to find the sources for the BusyBox v1.00 in the RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4 initfs?20:32 ?20:33
bunktrenka: well, sources including the configuration used20:33
bunk-whois trenka20:33
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* czr notices20:36
* czr still has to update the 'building external kernel modules' for OS2008 at some point20:37
* mgedmin still has to install scratchbox on the new laptop20:38
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czrmgedmin, no vmware? :-)20:38
TheFool2anyone around? I have a really dumb question?20:38
mgedminczr: no apt-gettable vmware in gutsy20:38
czrmgedmin, true. I kind of miss that. you could always install one yourself20:39
elbTheFool2: it's generally best to ask your question directly, not ask to ask20:39
TheFool2I am trying to figure out how to copy something from x to y using the file manager. The default is move.20:39
mgedminI could always install scratchbox directly myself20:39
mgedminI'm just lazy20:39
czrlazy is good mgedmin20:39
TheFool2Just wanted to make sure I was not asking it to an empty room20:39
bunktrenka: according to the GPL, you should offer them when you offer the initfs20:39
czrbunk, busybox is not GPL afaik20:39
mgedminTheFool2: if you ask something in an empty room, you'll notice it after a while :-)20:39
mgedminTheFool2: I think you can use the copy/paste metaphor on the tablets20:40
TheFool2hehe, but with my luck 2 hours later someone will answer and I will miss it20:40
trenkabunk: sure, sure, we are working on it, honestly20:40
czrand whether configuration is part of the changed source has always been slightly debatable :-)20:40
mgedminTheFool2: or maybe find a Copy to... item in the popup menu that you get when you tap and hold20:40
elbbuzybox *is* GPL20:40
czrah, ok. my bad20:40
czruclibc is not?20:40
* mgedmin never uses the file manager20:40
czrI seem to remember that something was LGPL (wouldn't fix this issue though, but still)20:40
TheFool2hehe, cool. Did not realize there was a popup menu20:40
TheFool2I don't usually but its nice to be able to copy songs from my phone and back. I was stuck "moving" them before. And that really sucked20:41
mgedminokay, there's Edit -> Copy, but no Copy to..., so only my first suggestion was right20:41
mgedminI think you can also drag-and-hold20:42
bunktrenka: OK, sorry, I just had problems parsing the "no answer"  ;-)20:42
mgedminto get a small popup menu, but don't quote me on that20:42
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trenkabunk: I'm not a 'legal guy', so just cannot provide anything myself, sorry :(20:43
TheFool2yep, that works as well :)20:43
bunkczr: regarding configuration: clause 3 of the GPL says "plus the scripts used to control compilation and installation of the executable"20:43
bunktrenka: OK, any time window when it might happen?20:44
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bunktrenka: (not meant to push or anything, just asking)20:45
czrbunk, and conf?20:45
TheFool2does anyone here use canola? And if not what is typically used fo accessing remote media?20:45
trenkacannot promise anything, as soon as possible. Hope week or two20:45
bunktrenka: OK20:45
bedboianyone has found out how the maemo catalog works?20:45
k-sTheFool2: I develop canola20:46
bedboiit's not clear to me which applications go to "popular" selection20:46
TheFool2k-s: lol, cool20:46
k-sTheFool2: lots of other folks here do too20:46
TheFool2k-s: I am really looking forward to the next release20:46
k-sTheFool2: we're not much alive in the channel because we need to hurry to have 2.0 alpha1 in time20:47
k-sTheFool2: it's getting ready :-)20:47
bedboik-s: you mean you have a specific date?20:47
k-sbedboi: sure20:47
k-sbedboi: but it's a surprise20:47
bedboiis it public?20:47
k-sit's soon20:47
k-sbedboi: we'll have some closed group of testers to begin20:48
k-sthen public, yes20:48
k-sjust like the other release20:48
TheFool2k-s: I am having some issues getting the current version to access media server via mt-daap and gmediaserver. It sees the files  fine but won't play anything20:48
bunkczr: "scripts used to control compilation"; IANAL, but it's really hard to argue this would not include the configuration these scripts were using20:48
k-swe had some guys to test it and give feedback, then public20:48
bedboiah o20:48
TheFool2k-s: Is this a known issue or a "I have bad luck" issue20:48
k-sTheFool2: ok, gmediasrever is not good20:48
k-sTheFool2: use fuppes20:48
k-sit's the best free upnp for linux20:48
k-stwonky and others are good too, but commercial20:48
czrbunk, I agree with you, don't take it wrong, but IANAL as well and sometimes the conf is just omitted even when claiming complicance (and yes, it does violate the spirit of GPL even if not the letter of it)20:49
TheFool2fuppes it is then, how about daap though?20:49
k-sbrisa and coherence (from our friend "dev") are also good choices20:49
czrbunk, you might want to file a bug in bugzilla on this?20:49
k-sTheFool2: daap depends on the server20:49
k-sTheFool2: we use libdmapsharing (from source force)20:50
czrthat way it will be an "visible" issue and might help people to avoid similar stuff in the future (not just with busybox)20:50
k-sTheFool2: it's from our developer andrunko20:50
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k-sTheFool2: I dunno, he is the best option to answer that20:50
TheFool2cool, so the problem here was the servers I was using not canola?20:50
k-sTheFool2: for upnp, yes20:50
k-sTheFool2: for dmap, no sure20:50
k-sTheFool2: our player workflow is like this:20:51
k-sget URL from some server and send to osso media player20:51
k-swe don't actually play anything20:51
k-sso if your UPnP server is exporting correct HTTP addresses, then osso media player will play20:51
k-sif you have gnomevfs-dmapsharing (canola depends on it and it should go automatically), then it will play dmap too20:52
k-sTheFool2: if you have some problems with osso media server, using our Mplayer plugin could help20:52
k-sTheFool2: this plugin is in our extra repo20:52
TheFool2Cool, then I have some fiddling around to do. Thanks for the help/info.20:53
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TheFool2I started to build a carputer from spare parts a while back, couldn't find a cheap screen though...then I got my n770 for $75...Canola makes the perfect interface for accessing the media in my car and at home :)20:55
MoRpHeUzTheFool2: for sure you'll need to try canola 2 on your 770 =)20:55
TheFool2MoRpHeUz: I definitely will, though I imagine it HAS to use more resources20:56
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MoRpHeUzTheFool2: yes, it may become a little bit slow on some screen due the lack of resources but you can expect no tearing effect ;-)20:56
TheFool2And I would want it running coupled with maemo-mapper... which is a resource hog in and of itself (for good reason)20:56
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TheFool2MoRpHeUz: As long as the scrolling is responsive I am good.20:58
MoRpHeUzTheFool2: yeah...the touchscreen on 770 is not so responsive...20:59
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TheFool2bah, I will try it out anyway. Sorta expected that with the 770 not being mentioned in regards to 2.0...that and it looks so much cooler...such beautiful transitions...21:00
k-syes, the touchscreen is not so sensitive21:00
k-sTheFool2: etrunko published a video of it running21:00
k-sTheFool2: it suffers a bit with the thumbnail view21:01
k-sof images21:01
k-sbut it's very, very heavy :-P21:01
k-sother screens are just fine21:01
TheFool2on the 770? do you have a link, or should I google?21:01
k-setrunko: ...21:01
TheFool2 first link from googling :)21:02
etrunkothat one21:02
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TheFool2what was that at the end? lol21:04
MoRpHeUzTheFool2: h4x0r theme =P21:04
trenka770 is cool21:04
TheFool2you have no clue how much I am loving it.21:04
MoRpHeUzTheFool2: just to show how it would change between themes...21:05
TheFool2I would never shell out $400+ for the 810 but $75 for a 770 in a hearbeat21:05
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TheFool2trenka: well I might be more willing to shell out $400+ if I had $400+...21:06
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trenkaTheFool2: spare $400+ :)21:09
TheFool2well no one has a spare $400+...even when my bank account were in the thousands I never consider a cent of it "spare"21:10
hugolpanyone knows if the mysql libraries could run on the n800?21:10
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hugolpor some kind of lite mysql lib?21:11
trenkawell, it depends of mentality :) Even when my bank account runs to 0, I have some spare ;)21:11
czrtrenka, dipping into credit cards is bad :-)21:12
czrbut that's what they're for I guess ;-)21:12
* johnnynokia hugs 81021:13
TheFool2See I am just starting grad school and still have no depts, but I have $4.36 in my bank account right now21:13
TheFool2Thats what happens when you don't work for almost a year...21:13
trenkaTheFool2: do not worry, for me you can be very good guy independent of our bank account ;)21:14
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acydlordlol, i have .96 in my bank account21:18
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MoRpHeUzhugolp: libmysqlclient runs on n800...21:19
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hugolpMoRpHeUz: its not in the repositories right?21:20
MoRpHeUzhugolp: take a look at gmyth repository somewhere on this page: http://gmyth.sf.net21:20
hugolpMoRpHeUz:  thanks21:20
MoRpHeUzhugolp: =)21:20
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TheFool2Monday I get to try and get my 770 working on the universities wifi...stuped 802.1x WEP encrypted, the server provides the key after we authenticate, and they use an invalid certificate...a convoluted mess. It's going to be fun :)21:21
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kalamy web browser is crashing on the Outlook Web Access 2003 website. Just after acknowledging that the certificate is signed by not trusted authority and before displaying any pages.21:27
kalaanyone having the same issues?21:27
TheFool2do you have a url I can test against?21:27
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TheFool2nope, works perfect here21:29
TheFool2what browser/OS are you using?21:29
kalatoo bad, cannot blame on the Microsoft then21:29
kalaOS2007 Hackers Edition21:30
kalatablet-browser-ui, version 0.2.9-1, I think21:30
kalaI'm running on the 77021:30
TheFool2hmm...I have the EXACT same setup...21:31
TheFool2not sure about the ver for the browser, is there a quick way to look it up?21:32
TheFool2maybe a quick update will solve your woes21:32
kalaI did dpkg -l21:32
kalaI think I upgraded few weeks ago and then the problem started21:32
TheFool2hehe ouch21:32
kalastrange, I'm able to look at without any crashes21:34
TheFool2hmm I am running .2.1021:35
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TheFool2so glad I had grep...21:35
TheFool2but this is repeatable on that specific site?21:36
TheFool2and not crashing on the other one is repeatable?21:36
hugolpMoRpHeUz:  there I only see chinnok repositories and I would like to get mysql for 2007 not for 200821:36
kalaTheFool2: seems to be.21:36
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MoRpHeUz(2007-03-19 11:06)21:38
hugolpMoRpHeUz:  cool21:39
TheFool2kala: the source of the sites appears to be identical in every meaningful way, so it should have nothing to do with the site itself.21:39
TheFool2kala: this is most likely a retarted suggestion but have you tried clearing your cache/cookies/etc maybe there is something in their specific to that site the browser is choking on21:40
kalagood suggestion21:40
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ds3anyone tried using those SIS based USB VGA dongles on a N[78][710]0?21:43
kalaTheFool2: no, still crashing21:44
TheFool2kala: grr, I don't know what to tell you21:44
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TheFool2kala: "works here" is not much comfort21:45
vandenoeverwhat's the best reason (apart from keyboard) to choose n810 over n800?21:45
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vandenoeverstorage capacity, speed, something else?21:45
hexavandenoever, gps ?21:45
TheFool2vandenoever: gps21:45
vandenoeverhexa: oh, its not in n800?21:45
TheFool2vandenoever: oh no21:46
hexavandenoever, nope21:46
vandenoeverthat's a good reason, yeah21:46
vandenoeverand storage difference?21:46
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hexavandenoever, you can still have a bluetooth one still21:46
vandenoevern800 can do 4gb right?21:46
TheFool2vandenoever: though I am still waiting for the mystical $25 GPS unit on ebay...21:46
hexavandenoever, it can do sdhc 2x16 gig max right now I think21:46
vandenoeveri want to use it mostly at home, so gps is not all that important21:46
vandenoeverhexa: n800 too?21:46
hexavandenoever, I was talking about the n80021:46
hexanot sure if n810 has 2 sd slots.. or just one21:47
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vandenoeverhexa: cool, that would make an awesome replacement for my cd player then21:47
czrhexa, just one21:47
hugolphexa the n810 has just one slot21:47
vandenoeveri'm sure it does ogg, right?21:47
hexavandenoever, yep21:47
TheFool2bah get the 800 then21:47
hexavandenoever, n800 is cheaper.. too21:47
* TheFool2 did not just say that21:47
vandenoeverexcellent, and i've even seen people put kde on it :-)21:47
czrvandenoever, not out of the box, but with community support/sw.21:47
vandenoeverhexa: yeah 190 euros cheaper on amazon21:48
hugolpvandenoever:  kde on n800?21:48
TheFool2hugolp: yea, thats a scary thought for me as well21:48
vandenoeverno kde4 though :-)21:48
hexaimg scray indeed21:48
hexaer.. omg21:48
vandenoeverwhat's scary about it?21:49
TheFool2! he has it running on the 770 as well21:49
hexavandenoever, some could argue that kde is a big bloated win manager.. really the worst thing you could put on an embeeded device.. but it's an opinion :)21:49
TheFool2KDE is a little...big...for a tablet21:50
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TheFool2khertan: aloha21:50
hexavandenoever, the default win manager works really well..21:50
hugolpvandenoever:  nice. was it too slow and how did it do with the battery?21:50
khertansomeone know when the hildon-home/hildon-desktop ll be available in chinook ?21:50
vandenoeverhexa: it' was something for the wow department, i'm sure maemo is great for n80021:50
vandenoeveri'm not religious about window managers or desktop as long as it's free software21:51
hexavandenoever, hehe :) I would be funny to see something like compiz on the n800 tought.. just for the wow of it .. no opengl 3d I guess...21:51
vandenoeverbut plasma on n800 could go towards fancy iphone-like effects21:51
vandenoeverhow is 3d on n800?21:52
hexavandenoever, no idea... :(21:52
vandenoeverand what does one pay for say, 4gb on it?21:52
hexavandenoever, I did play the original doom :)21:52
vandenoeverhexa: ah, that runs on old ipod too21:52
vandenoevermust suck with the ipod control though!21:52
hexavandenoever, humm I bougt a 8gig for like 70$ so I guess somethin like 30-40$21:53
vandenoeverhow do you shoot?21:53
vandenoeverhexa: oh, that's fine21:53
TheFool2vandenoever: I would guess select would shoot21:53
hexavandenoever, button on the left21:53
vandenoeverhexa: ok, so not tapping your screen to bits21:53
hexabad think is changin direction.. on the touch screen21:53
TheFool2that is my main beef with the 770...stupid mmc...21:53
hexavandenoever, hehehe at least...21:53
TheFool2unrealted question, how do I find out what character set I am using? I know I am using something funky for some reason... linux not maemo but...21:55
vandenoeverso how's voip with webcam on the n800? any good?21:56
hexavandenoever, tested with gtalk / jabber works well :)21:56
hexawan't able to test with sip yet21:57
vandenoeverhexa: which is the default software?21:57
_Monkeyjabber is much nicer. ;)21:57
hexathe camera is not the best quality but not so bad21:57
vandenoeverit can rotate, right?21:57
hexavandenoever, yeah! :) that's nice,, one thing you don't have on the n810 too21:57
VReJust too many repositories aaagggh.. I can understand commerial software not being in garage or extras but all these others should end up in extras..21:57
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vandenoeverhexa: oh, that's a step back21:58
czrVRe, jsut tells you how convenient it is to upload stuff to extras ;-)21:58
VReczr: Yeah, sucks21:58
hexavandenoever, they only other thing I find bad about it is that it's localted to the left... so you have to kinda hold the n800 a bit to your right .. to be at the center.. but it's minor21:58
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TheFool2on the right would be more natural for right handed people...21:59
hexaTheFool2, yeah.. or on top centred21:59
VReif one of these 15 repositories is hacked.. how many zombie devices we would end up with21:59
TheFool2hexa: yea well...21:59
hexahehe detail anyway :)21:59
TheFool2VRe: ah but how long before someone notices, the repo is patched and your next update fixes it.22:00
kalaVRe: N770x800x810 is not too useful anyway, limited bandwidth, limited transactions, not always online :P22:00
TheFool2VRe: yea I know, one repo would still be nicer22:01
TheFool2VRe: when I take the red pill I want to dive all the way down that rabit hole22:01
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czrVRe, depends on how many people use that specific repo, doesn't it? :-)22:01
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TheFool2before I installed anything I added like 20 repos, so I actually have had no problems...It never ceases to amaze me that there was a time when I complained about using a repo instead of going to a website and downloading/installing something manually.22:03
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hexaTheFool2, should be a list of all these repos somewhere at least22:04
hexaTheFool2, like a master .. has everything sources.list22:04
acydlordthere kind of is22:05
VReczr: yeah, but this way the risk is always creater22:05
* czr shrugs22:06
hexaacydlord, humm interesting ! thx :)22:06
VReMaybe maemo is not that main line yet, that anybody would be curious.. but if somebody would do it just for fun the house of cards would fly22:06
czrI've yet to do a proper risk analyses on the various processes involved in installing sw by end-users so can't really say whether having multiple repos really makes a difference :-)22:06
acydlordVRe, if the IT was a windows based device I would agree with you22:06
acydlordbut as it is linux, and the majority of users are advanced linux users, we tend to watch what we install22:07
acydlordnot to mention you can use gpg keys to verify repos22:07
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VReyeah, but it still binary.. and you trust the source. But if the source is hacked and the package is with a worm you will never know22:07
VReacydlord: yeah, but using application manager that is totally skipped22:08
acydlordnah, the package manager still checks thegpg keys22:08
VReno authentication. none what so ever22:08
VReatleast last time I run apt from commandline it was warning me of these unknown keys22:08
VReapplication manager just skips that22:09
acydlordand also, a repo based install method is much more secure than downloading the executables from a website22:09
acydlordjust look at the debaucle wordpress had last year22:10
VReanyways, maemo is so small so I think security risk is quite small. But quality risk is bigger, there has been incompatible gpe versions, ogg-support etc22:10
TheFool2acydlord:  somehow I missed that one, what happened?22:10
acydlordand also, the IT market share is small, and the machines arent powerful enough to be usefull zombies, so that would be a massive waste of time22:10
acydlordTheFool2, someone got access to their ftp server and embedded some malicious code in to the 2.2 build of wp22:11
VReacydlord: tell me something which is not obvious22:11
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acydlordjust saying someone who has the knowhow to bother to zombify it devices also knows the time and effort are not worth it22:12
VReBut say there would be competitor who would like to ruin the reputation of maemo and nokia.. one nice way would be some security issues22:12
TheFool2"Woohoo I have a bot net of devices that are off or not connected to the internet most of the day. And theyn have almost no memeory or computational power. I am the uber h4ax0rs22:12
glass_vre: security issues such as a broken tiff library that would let any website root your device?22:12
glass_vre: public doesn't care about such.. proven too many times22:13
acydlordi don't know why they would do that, given maemo is opensource and they could just get the source from maemo to improve their own device22:13
czrTheFool2, you don't need a lot of cpu/mem to be an effective zombie22:13
czrTheFool2, you only need network access/bandwidth22:13
VReand there is more than zombies22:13
VReglass_: yeah x86 overflow on arm..?22:14
glass_vre: you aware that one of the iphone jailbreaks is what i exactly described22:14
acydlordthe iphone jailbreak is based on a broken tiff library22:14
hexaiphone/itouch is x86?22:14
glass_and the same bug was on psp too22:14
TheFool2was pretty sure it was arm...22:15
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glass_it's arm..22:15
VReglass_: I am, but those are always cpu & enviroment spesific.22:15
VRehappy hunting with your website..22:15
VRemaybe if you post it on maemo list you get hits from those who read their mail with the device22:15
VRe.. mean they use claws mail.. which means they have external repository..22:16
glass_my point was about that it's a pretty crappy way to ruin reputation22:16
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VReHey, if I would have a real masterplan. Would I tell it to you?22:16
VRebad press is always bad22:16
hexaif you really wanted to ruin it's reputation juste start the rumor that they would switch the device to windows ce ,, jk :)22:17
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TheFool2glass_: the main difference being that people WANT to hack the iphone wheras people want to do hacking with the n series...but yea no one would care22:17
VReexcept those who got hacked :=22:17
VReWhat _you_ would think?22:17
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TheFool2I would get a good laugh that someone wasted THAT much time, and restore from backups22:18
acydlordactually most of the development and porting done for the IT would be considered hacking22:18
VReanyways, for many reasons extras sucks and so does these separate repos22:18
VReWhere you have your backup?22:18
VReOn memory card?22:18
czrhacking = applying magic glue around some crappy piece of code until it doesn't fall on the floor so often :-)22:18
glass_thefool: well, with iphone getting hacked could be a bit more serious. as in racking up phone bills to premium numbers..22:18
acydlordi have my backup on an sd card, and on one of my servers22:18
TheFool2what would be the point of that? no backup is on my main server22:19
VReacydlord: and how many you think even backups?22:19
TheFool2its actually versioned...22:19
acydlordprobably 90% or more of us back up regularly22:19
acydlordnot to mention even if you don't have backups it takes no time at all to restore22:19
VRewell, if this is even near early majority. You are not majority.22:20
VReand from those who backup most have the copy only on the card22:20
acydlordVRe, i take it you dont like to use linux distros with package managers?22:20
TheFool2reflash: 5 minutes, reinstalling 20 apps: 1 hour, the look on the hackers face when he realizes his days locked in his room formulating his evil plan constituted only a minor annoyance: priceless22:21
VReacydlord: Yeah.. of course I have them... they suck. Like debian with its nice * repositories which are preinstalled22:21
* TheFool2 shakes his head in bewilderment22:21
acydlordVRe, are you by any chance a skript kiddie?22:22
VReI would rather download every binary separately.. - what you think?22:22
acydlordbecause thats how you are coming off to me22:22
VReNot a kiddie anymore22:22
acydlordi would rather not22:22
acydlordmore chance getting a comprimised package downloading from a website22:22
acydlordalso more time consuming22:22
TheFool2VRe: no way in hell, much more of a risk that way, and much more tedious22:22
acydlordnot to mention i have live redundant backups22:23
VReacydlord: So I think you say we should have separate repository for every program?22:23
acydlordi dont think we should have a seperate repo for every program22:23
VReOr one centralized like I would like it to be22:23
VReWell, now it going that way22:23
TheFool2Stable, Unstable, Testing, Dev. Thats how I would love it.22:23
acydlordwell the way you are saying it in your method would translate to, every software available on the internet should be available from one website, and one website only22:24
TheFool2mainly because it would help clear up library conflicts22:24
czracydlord, it is. the global dns ;-)22:24
VReand that is (1) security risk (minor), (2) quality risk ad (3) annoying as hell22:24
acydlordi mean i would love to see them wrangled in to the maemo repo for stable, garage.maemo for betas, and a dev repo22:24
czrI could live with single repo but different sections or subdirs22:25
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czrwould make mirroring easier22:25
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acydlordin all honesty maemo could test the program, and then add it to their repo22:26
TheFool2bloody hell after all this time I can't get a working version of fuppes... latest source release and svn checkout are both broken22:27
acydlordalso, does anyone else have major problems with the default email client and gmail imap?22:28
TheFool2have not tried yet, what issue are you having?22:28
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acydlordit wont fetch anything more than the header22:28
acydlordwhen i try to fetch mail it just sits there "working" often it will lock up22:29
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acydlordand i'm still dissapointed that the osso-clock doesnt support the arizona timezone22:29
TheFool2LOL that is just sad, how do you "skip" a timezone22:32
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acydlordit completely messes up the time zones for those of us living in az22:34
acydlordso my world clock is useless22:35
acydlordit's in the tzdata, so there is no reason it shouldnt be in the osso-clock22:35
TheFool2BAH, must find a way to get a upnp or daap server up...22:37
acydlordubuntu media center works pretty well if you've got a spare box lying around22:39
acydlordi have a classic xbox modded running as a upnp server22:40
Sho_I'm told works reasonably well22:40
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devacydlord: you have elisa running on that?22:43
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acydlordjust xbmc22:44
devah, ok, as you said "ubuntu media center"22:44
devTheFool2: for which OS?22:44
_Monkeyi heard gentoo was not good for anything, imho. It wasted many hours of lle2's life for no good reason.22:45
TheFool2is ubuntu media center somehow ubuntu specific or can I compile it?22:46
devI know that some people have Coherence on gentoo22:46
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devumc is based on elisa,, written in Python22:46
_|Nix|_Argh! There's this stuff in extras that depends on libgdbm-dev, but there's no libgdbm-dev in extras ...22:47
hugolpapt-get upgrade says that packet module-init-tools is being kept back, is this normal?22:47
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acydlordi didnt run ubuntu media center for long, proc fan in the machine died22:49
e-squizoHi folks, maybe someone can help me with my scratchbox installatioin. I had an installation on Debian, which I suspected of being botched, so I removed all scratchbox* packages, and then rm -rf /scratchbox22:49
e-squizoI then reinstalled it as per
e-squizousing the script at
e-squizoas a result, I have scratchbox again, but: 1) no targets, and 2) no rootstraps in /scratchbox/packages22:51
e-squizo(i invoked the script with the -d option, since this is a Debian system)22:51
e-squizoany ideas what may have gone wrong?22:51
maddlerdid anyone tried Gizmo's video calls?22:51
acydlordhaven't tried it yet22:52
acydlorde-squizo, did you install the maemo sdk as well as scratchbox per those instructions?22:53
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e-squizoacydlord: those instructions tell me that all I have to do is run the script22:54
e-squizoor so I read them...22:55
acydlordyeah, you just have to run the scratchbox script, and then another script for the maemo sdk22:55
acydlordafter you get scratchbox installed and add a user for it22:55
e-squizoacydlord: OOOK!\22:56
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e-squizostupid me! the layout of the instructions led me to think that these were oart of the instructions for manual installation22:57
acydlordtis ok, i had to read through it twice myself22:58
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e-squizoacydlord: must I run the second script as root, too? the instructions don't say, and the script doesn't complain!23:01
acydlordi ran it as my normal user23:02
e-squizoacydlord: great23:02
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kupesoftanyone get wireless tools working on os2008/n80023:06
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bstockesides the initial cost, is there any reason NOT to switch to the n810? all the apps and stuff from the 770 will run right?23:12
bstockmainly, openvpn, xournal, and maemo mapper with support for dun-through-cellphone-via-bluetooth and bluetooth gps device23:12
acydlordwell the n810 has built in gps23:13
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bstockoh yeah that's right23:13
bstockand i assume dun-via-cellphone-via-bt should work fine, that's what its designed for23:14
acydlordyeah, that works fine23:14
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bstockbut i need to make sure openvpn and xournal will work (which if i've kept up-to-date properly, everything should work easily with a quick recomplie)23:14
TheFool2the only thing I can think of is if you realllly like FM radio...23:14
bstockno that don't matter23:14
bstocki have a car..23:15
TheFool2there is also only 1 SD card slot23:15
bstockalthough i never listen to the radio anymore..23:15
TheFool2does anyone?23:15
acydlordi thought it still had 2 slots23:15
bstockyeah but the 770 only had 1 card slot anyway23:15
bstockand it was some crazy memory23:15
* TheFool2 double checking23:15
bstockno i believe 810 is only 1 memory slot, but has 2gb built-in23:16
Palintheus2G built in and a SD slot23:16
acydlordi wish it would support the 32gb SD card lol23:16
bstockdamn didn't know they had cards that big, 8gb was the biggest i knew of23:16
* TheFool2 looks down in shame at his 2gb mmc23:17
acydlordi only have 2 1gb cards in my n80023:17
bstockdoes everything from the n800 run fine on the n810, or is there special stuff you have to do?23:17
acydlordand it's like $400 for the 32gb23:17
acydlordthere are still a lot of programs that need to be proted from os2007 to 200823:18
bstockhmm that sucks... is this gonna happen on every new device they release? so far it has23:18
TheFool2but the fact is they will be ported, and all the new versions will not work on 2006...and soon enough 2008...23:18
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bstockhmm maybe i'll try the new 2007HE for the 770.. hopefully it's more stable then the last time i tried HE, couldn't get xournal or maemo mapper to run on it23:20
TheFool2bstock: been using it since I got my 770, I have yet to have it crash23:22
bstockhow long ago was that23:22
TheFool24 days...23:22
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bstockhehe alright then23:24
_Monkeysomebody said monkey was an extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions any stored keyword - such as the word "monkey".  VOTE TO STOP THIS HERE:
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kulvewell, at least it knows something :)23:26
khertan_Monkey are Monkey is very stupid :  VOTE TO STOP THIS HERE:
_MonkeyOK, khertan.23:27
acydlorda modifier would be nice23:27
khertan_Monkey is somebody said monkey was an extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions any stored keyword - such as the word "monkey".  VOTE TO STOP THIS HERE:
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TheFool2ok tried ushare/gmediastreamer/fuppes/daap/mt-daap/mediatomb out of all of those mediatomb is the only one that compiles and can be accessed by canola...23:28
TheFool2fuppes wont compile and the rest choke on my charset23:28
k-sTheFool2: fuppes won't compile?23:29
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TheFool2grr ignore that, it compiled it was just missing some object at runtime23:31
TheFool2don't know why I said that23:31
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TheFool2k-s: but yea I tried the latest checkout from their svn and the source tarball23:31
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TheFool2hmm is there anyway to make canola connect to a upnp not on it's network?23:32
k-sTheFool2: no, it's not allowed by upnp proto23:33
k-sTheFool2: you need to be in a network with multicast support23:33
k-sTheFool2: upnp find it's peers using multicast23:33
TheFool2k-s: ok23:33
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TheFool2k-s: I knew it was against dmap protocol as well but there was some nonsense you could do to make it look like it was in the same network. This was not using a normal computer though23:35
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k-sTheFool2: you can try to hack your own tool to proxy multicast23:35
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k-shackish, but...23:35
TheFool2I might do that. In truth I have no need to access it outside of the network but...23:36
TheFool2I have a operating server with a copy of all of my music in almost every network I go...thats pretty sad now that I think about it23:37
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TheFool2especially since I can access it all from a web interface...ooh have to see how badly the n770 shockes on my flash player :)23:38
hugolpis there a way to make the scratchbox gcc accept // as comentaries?23:39
hugolpIm running crazy changing my program23:39
elbthat rules that it doesn't23:40
elbmore C compilers need to refuse that particular abomination23:40
hugolpelb:  abomination... XD23:41
TheFool2I love my //'s :(23:41
hugolpoh, I see, I was using -ansi23:41
hugolpcopied from the tuto page23:41
elbyeah, -ansi means C89, which has no // comments23:41
TheFool2seriously though, why is // bad?23:41
elbit's mostly just ugly23:41
elband, for some reason, it encourages *horrendous* commenting style23:42
elbI don't understand why that is, really, but most people who use it shouldn't be allowed near a comment EVER23:42
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elbmostly, I don't like it because it has line-oriented semantics, which virtually *nothing* else in C uses23:43
halleyI think we should ban blue paint, because everyone who uses it in their living rooms finds out later that it ruins the resale value of the home.23:43
elb(preprocessor directives being the other major exception, and handled in the same place)23:43
halleyYeah, except the preprocessor.23:43
elbhalley: your analogy is poor23:44
elbthat was an aside, anyway23:44
halleyYou're suggesting getting rid of something because of YOUR tastes.23:44
* halley shrugs.23:44
halleyI wonder what someone like Kernighan thinks of it.23:45
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elbgood question23:46
elbI'd hope he sees it as a filthy C++ abomination ;-)23:46
halleyI've not heard that he's particularly dour on C++ at all.23:47
elbI've never seen anything he's said about C++23:48
halley"Sometimes I do write C++ instead of C. C++ I think is basically too big a language, although there's a reason for almost everything that's in it." --Kernighan23:48
_Monkeyrumour has it Monkey is an extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions any stored keyword - such as the word "monkey".  VOTE TO STOP THIS HERE:
elbthat's about how I feel about C++23:50
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elbits primary fault is that it's too big -- and the primary reason for that is interactions among the parts it has23:50
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elb"The Design and Evolution of the C++ Programming Language" makes this very clear, and is a very good read23:50
elb(interesting, it is intended to be positive on C++)23:51
MonkeyLoverinteresting might be a strong term23:52
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halleyHis followup to the previous statement dovetails with your point.23:52
halley"When I write a C program of any size, I probably will wind-up using 75, 80, 90% of the language features. In other words, most of the language is useful in almost any kind of program. By contrast, if I write in C++ I probably don't use even 10% of the language, and in fact the other 90% I don't think I understand." --K23:52
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elbthe problem with that other 90% is that there be dragons there23:52
TheFool2thats why we have subsets...23:52
bstockdoes n810 support full size SD, or just micro and mini?23:52
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elband they can reach into your 10% in ways you did not predict23:52
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halleybstock, just mini; use adapter for micro23:53
elb(also well described in "Design and Evolution")23:53
Palintheusbstock: mini and micro with adapter I think, not full size23:53
halleybstock, one slot only23:53
bstockhmm alright, i'll have to make sure to get one with an adapter then23:54
elbmost micro cards seem to come with adapters23:54
elbas do most minis23:54
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halleyI saw a pack that had a micro chip, a mini-adapter, a fullsize-adapter, and a usbkey-adapter.23:54
elbthat might be taking it a bit far ;-)23:55
MonkeyLoverwhat sthe deal on the n810, it says up to 2GB internal memory, does it have 2GB or only 256 flash?  Can I put in a 2GB card and a 8GB card23:56
cgardnerIs there anything special I need to do to use the repository?  Aparently, I'm not authorized to get Packages.gz23:56
halleyMonkeyLover, it has a 2GB flash that is permanently inside the case; it acts JUST LIKE an external drive but you can't remove it.  This is in addition to the OS space itself.23:56
Palintheusit ahs 2GB built in and fixed, only one slot to add to it23:57
MonkeyLoverIs this 2GB flash?23:57
halleyThey preload the MAP DATA and some sample VIDEOS on it, but you can delete that.23:57
MonkeyLoveror there is sep flash of 25623:57
Palintheusjust like a SD card, but you can't remove it23:57
MonkeyLovercan you boot from it?23:57
MonkeyLoverthis is the question?23:57
halleyNot that I've seen.  It's secondary space.23:57
MonkeyLoverSD is also secondary space, but I can boot from it23:58
halleyMaybe you can; I haven't tried.23:58
MonkeyLoverare you booting from flash now?23:58
halleyI boot from the OS space.23:58
MonkeyLoveror SD23:58
MonkeyLoverso from flash23:59
halleyBut not from the 2GB which I already said is in addition to the OS flash space.23:59
MonkeyLoverDDR RAM 128MB23:59
MonkeyLoverFlash 256MB23:59
halleyYou see the extra 2GB as /media/mmc223:59
MonkeyLoverUp to 2GB internal memory23:59

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