IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2007-11-29

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sp3000hmm, there should be an airmoz thing on rsn00:04
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bstockhey, anyone know where i can get an n810? everywhere i look just says preorder00:08 ?00:08
bstockanywhere in the US?00:09
moutasorry, I can't help00:10
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ldspartanwee, when'd skype start installing from app manager on the 800?00:11
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killfillanyone coul make openssh-server work on os2008?.. cannot login from my pc.. :S00:22
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moutaWhat is the difference between maemo4.0 and OS2008 ?00:23
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killfilli need to login to write the vpnc.conf file, so i can connect to the office...00:25
GeneralAntilleskillfill, install becomeroot00:25
killfilland thouse use the sip phone..00:25
GeneralAntillesIt's in the eko1 repo00:25
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_Monkeywell, becomeroot is a quick howto to become root here  and more information is here
killfillbora?.. will it conflic with chincook?00:26
GeneralAntillesNo . . .00:26
GeneralAntillesthat's why I'm telling you to install it. :)00:27
killfilland what do i win with that?.. i can enable the ssh login as root?..00:27
fysait will force you to set a password00:28
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fysawhich you can use to ssh as root00:28
fysaor use 'sudo gainroot' from xterm00:28
killfillaah it denys becouse its using the default pass..00:28
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killfillwith sudo gainroot, it tells "Enable RD mode "00:29
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timelyxkillfill: i have an alternative to becomeroot :)00:31
timelyx_Monkey capture-root?00:31
_Monkeytimelyx: bugger all, i dunno00:32
timelyx_Monkey captureroot?00:32
_Monkeybugger all, i dunno, timelyx00:32
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killfillGeneralAntilles: you mean to install this repo?
GeneralAntillesUh, no.00:35
GeneralAntillesEko One on here00:36
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killfilloh cool a list of repos.. :)00:37
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GeneralAntillesThat page is OS200700:38
GeneralAntillesSo only grab the Eko One00:38
GeneralAntillesSwitch over to the OS2008 page for the ones you need.00:38
ds3after 2 weeks of usage where the N770 is the primary device -- it needs more memory!@#$!@#!@#$@#00:39
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fysamaybe we should add gronmayer to /topic?00:40
killfillim tempted to press "Select all repos"..00:40
* timelyx thinks we're probably fairly close to out of space :(00:40
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ds3is OS2007 and the N800 really more memory efficient or is there enough bloat in OS2007 to be about the same as OS2006 on the 770?00:41
timelyxKhertan_TheReal: i have mistral free00:42
killfillGeneralAntilles: tahnks!00:42
timelyxds3: n800 has more memory than the 77000:43
ds3timelyx: but is OS2007 so much fatter that it overcomes that?00:44
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timelyxi think we've been adding servicesthat eat memory00:46
* timelyx shrugs00:46
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ds3hmm tempting to try the N800... the N770 + a bluetooth keyboard and a BT phone is almost prefect except for those out of memory errors00:47
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doc|workhmmm, is the battery cover on any one elses n800 a little loose?00:49
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sp3000clanks a bit but not as in coming loose00:49
killfilldamn.. the sip thing wont connect via vpnc..00:51
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killfilli think its a bug..00:55
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bedboihi all00:58
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killfillthe server is not getting any request...01:03
killfill(from sip)01:03
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killfillwhile ssh and web works okey01:04
killfillcould it be that the sip program is trying to use wlan0 alwais?.. and not seen tun0?01:05
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killfillheh nice post" Meh. Call me when the RTCOMM beta or OS2008 SIP stack can work over a vpnc tunnel."01:07
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killfillits deinitly not sending things thgought tun001:09
timelyxKhertan_TheReal: python-hildon doesn't install01:10
timelyxit complains about a bad version depends for hildonlibs01:10
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killfillanyone ever uses sip phone thought vpnc?..01:11
|tbb|is it worth to flash the latest n800 os8 image instead of the n810 os image on a n800?01:11
lardman|afk|tbb|: I'd say yes as it's got unspecified bugfixes01:13
lardman|afknight all01:13
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killfillits not sending via wifi either.. :S01:15
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|tbb|is it possible to exclude folders while  ukmp scan the whole device?01:17
buck68anyone here know if scratchbox cpu transparency is supported under maemo 4.0?01:17
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czrbuck68, yes.01:19
czrbuck68, although you might want to be more specific01:20
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|tbb|what the heck 10kb download rate for the n800 os8 image on maemo org01:28
czros8? you installing apple os? :-)01:29
czr|tbb|, there's a torrent floating around. check the channel log (see topic)01:29
* GeneralAntilles does his paste-link dance.01:32
* czr watches in horror01:32
czrit's somewhat hypnotizing01:32
czrin a "eyes melting but must keep staring" kind of way01:33
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lophyteGeneralAntilles, ROFL at the comments01:33
|tbb|i will dl it tommorrow, from maemo thx01:34
GeneralAntillesYeah, they're really duking it out in there. :\01:34
|tbb|czr: do u use ukmp01:34
czr|tbb|, no01:34
GeneralAntillesYou complain about the download, but you don't actually want a solution?01:34
lophyteGeneralAntilles, its hilarious how people jump on the first guy01:34
|tbb|i just wonder whats up, 10 kbs reminds me to my isdn time01:35
alteregoI guess I was lucky being one of the first people to download the OS2008 beta.01:35
alteregoIt wasn't even in announcements when I got it ..01:35
czr|tbb|, the site has been slow ever since the beta went public01:36
czralterego, pygtk is better than raw gtk, but man, gtk is ugly :-)01:36
alteregoHow long can it take 4k odd people to download it ..01:36
|tbb|igot the os2k8 long time now, but no way to using any bt headset ive got01:36
alteregoczr, I'm not going to dissagree with you there ;)01:37
alteregoczr, what ever you do .. Don't use the tree view ^_^01:37
|tbb|so i hope with the first beta of n800 os2008 it will work01:37
czralterego, heh01:37
czralterego, it's that bad?01:37
czralterego, what on earth am I supposed to use then?01:37
czr"write your own widget"?01:37
alteregoczr, well. Not really, just badly documented and if you design your app MVC it adds another MVC layer that has to be integrated properly.01:37
alteregoSo you get an MMVVCC app :)01:38
czralso, I think I found a bug in the gutsy theme or smt01:38
alteregoWhat's that in decimal :D01:38
czrthe more M, the merrier :-)01:38
|tbb|it where nice if the rss applet stops scrolling while another application is in the foreground, so it saves cpu time01:38
czr2000 smt01:38
|tbb|and save battery at least01:38
czr|tbb|, have you filed a bug?01:39
GeneralAntillesOS2008 Beta works fine with bluetooth headsets.01:39
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|tbb|GeneralAntilles: with skype? which bt headset do u got01:40
alteregoLogically it should really be MMCVCV01:40
czrbleh. the pygtk tutorial is from 2005.01:40
|tbb|czr: is this a bug? its more a wish ;)01:40
czr|tbb|, file a feature request then01:40
GeneralAntillesDunno, don't use Skype, but as its an OS-level thing, I don't see why there would be a problem. Plantronics Voyager 510.01:40
czr|tbb|, complaining here won't get it fixed/implemented :-)01:40
alteregoczr, a little advice when using Gtk. Take a Gtk::Window for instance. When you create one, instead of being procedural. Create your own AppWindow class and inherit from Gtk::Window. Then setup all the view attributes and internal signal logic. Then add children (which themselves should be inherited classes unless they're dead simple like a Label).01:41
|tbb|GeneralAntilles: could u hear music in mono01:41
alteregoDo all that crap in your constructor.01:41
alteregoIt makes for a nice clean Gtk application design IMO01:42
czralterego, so subclassing is the way to go?01:42
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czralterego, I thought about that, but the pygtk tutorial seems to do some kind of middle way. it feels unnatural. good to know though.01:42
alteregoczr, yeah. That's how the pro's do it ;)01:42
GeneralAntillesIt's "you", and yes. Mind you, this is a bluetooth _headset_ and not a pair of bluetooth _headphones_, so mono is the only option. :)01:43
czr"pro's". it's a matter of implementation bugs as well :-)01:43
|tbb|anyone has tried iphones browser right now01:43
|tbb|GeneralAntilles: ive got s9 motorolla bt headphone01:43
czralterego, the pygtk tutorial is horrible. it's like they took the obsolete gtk tutorial, then just rewrote it line by line using python. so it reads like C, but is not. yuck :-)01:44
|tbb|it supports a2dp ;)01:44
alteregoczr, if you've done much work in GUI apps you'll understand that it gets ugly _quick_. So having a good MVC strategy is extremely important, languages like Python & Ruby make it easy to separate internal signal handlers and external ones by keeping the view logic inside your view class.01:44
GeneralAntillesNo A2DP yet.01:44
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czralterego, I don't do GUI work. I do interesting stuff :-)01:44
alteregoczr, yeah. Same for the Ruby tutorial. It's more an introduction to using widgets and the Gtk architecture. Not about writing good apps in it.01:44
czralterego, but yeah, I know a thing or two about MVC. I wasn't always this picky about what I did01:45
alteregoI only really like the M in MVC ^_^01:45
|tbb|GeneralAntilles: which os2008 image do u use the latest one of the n810 or the n800 specific one01:45
GeneralAntillesThe N800 beta, like I said before.01:45
czralterego, pygtk is silly. for example, you can do this: print window.border_width. but window.border_width = 10 -> exception. need to use window.set_border_width(10). bleh01:45
czralterego, although I have an old version of it on my main system. maybe they've changed that.01:46
alteregoczr, that is pretty silly. Ruby allows both.01:46
czralterego, python should too. it's not rocket science.01:46
alteregoYeh. There are a few PyGtk issues. But probably because it's all generated with SWIG. Where as Ruby/Gnome2 is SWIG and a lot of editing.01:47
czrswig is evil.01:47
alteregoThey've really tried hard to Rubinize the whole gobject stuff.01:47
alteregoVery clever.01:47
czrI through it away after the first time I used it.01:47
czrthrew even01:47
alteregoI couldn't get it to work. So I just did everything by hand ;)01:47
czrthen decided that writing the stuff manually is much easier01:47
* czr nods01:48
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alteregoGives you more control and 75% of bindings are no brainers. (Which thinking about SWIG should be able to handle easily but doesn't)01:48
killfillhey GeneralAntilles do you happend to use SIP thoguht vpnc?01:49
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GeneralAntillesI use SIP, but not through vpnc.01:49
killfillthere seem to be a problem with this.. :S01:52
czralterego, comments like this in the tuto: # Clean up allocated memory and remove the timer01:53
czralterego, "clean up allocated memory"? come again? hello? this is python? bleh01:53
czrsomeone should really rewrite the tutorial01:54
l7bah, is charging the same price as amazon for the n800 now01:54
l7wait, amazon's price went up too01:55
GeneralAntillesThey ran out.01:55
|tbb|whats the price now01:55
czrUSD is sliding down?01:55
bedboiUSD is sliding down since 4 months now01:55
zerojayHappy time to be Canadian. :)01:55
czrI'd think the canadian economy isn't isolated from the one in the states?01:56
czror is it?01:56
zerojayIt's not isolated, but we're doing just fine. :)01:57
czrah. good to hear01:57
GeneralAntillesUS exporters are happy.01:57
czrthere are us exporters?01:57
GeneralAntillesHar har har01:57
bill20r3exporters of money.01:57
zerojayHell, how many of these "HOW DO I ______?!?!?!?" posts are we going to get on ITT from that tamadrums888 person?01:58
GeneralAntillesHe's sent me a dozen PMs over the last hour.01:58
czrzerojay, just don't tell him about maemo-devel, and I won't care :-)01:58
zerojay <-- top three posts01:59
GeneralAntillesThe trend of idiot noobs on ITT is driving me insane.01:59
zerojayczr: Don't tempt me. :)01:59
czrGeneralAntilles, prime ministers? :-)01:59
czrzerojay, noooo. :-).01:59
alteregozerojay, I'm sorry but I'm not going to have time to do your libid3 package tonight I don't think.01:59
czrthe list gets a fair amount of those as it is.01:59
GeneralAntillesAgain: Har har har01:59
alteregozerojay, I'm still working and I've got a deadline tomorrow -_-01:59
alterego12am here ..01:59
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zerojayalterego: Don't worry about it, man. It's cool.02:00
GeneralAntillesSeriously, I just want one page that I can link them to that will shut them all up.02:00
moutaDou you know if this is possible in maemo 4.0 : ?02:01
zerojayNo, not possible, I don't think.02:01
zerojayNo cairo.02:01
czrzerojay, there's cairo02:02
zerojayNo composite manager.02:02
czrbut no composition with alpha-support02:02
zerojayI wouldn't want it anyways.02:02
zerojayIt would slow the tablet to a crawl.02:02
alteregoYou can do it with home applets.02:03
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alteregoI've not tried with actual windows.02:03
zerojayalterego: Slow the tablet down to a crawl, yes.02:03
czrhaha. one of the comments: "Hi , great job , i was exactly looking HOW TO use alpha channels , so , if isnt too much to ask , dont you have the same code in perl? I am actually using perl-Gtk"02:03
czrI feel sorry for the blog-owner :-)02:03
alteregozerojay, only when they're moving :P02:03
zerojayWeird.. maps is now segfaulting on me.02:04
GeneralAntillesMight try deleting the maps cache directory.02:04
zerojayIt died when I was trying to download them last time.. that's probably it.02:04
GeneralAntillesI don't understand where the legions of idiots on the internet come from.02:04
GeneralAntillesYes, that's it.02:04
czrGeneralAntilles, AOL02:04
czrever since black september02:05
GeneralAntillesAOL doesn't have the subscribership to cover them all.02:05
zerojayWhen I used to run a few channels years ago, we always had * banned.02:05
czrmaybe the rest are italians02:05
zerojayNot anymore.02:05
* czr hides & runs02:05
zerojayk, yeah, maps is working now.02:05
GeneralAntillesI can't imagine how they expect normal people to use Map.02:06
zerojayWhat's wrong with it?02:06
GeneralAntillesIf anything goes wrong with the download (which is disturbingly often), you have to delete the cache folder to get it working.02:06
zerojayBeta. :)02:07
GeneralAntillesPlus, they don't explain that you need twice the available storage to download and install the maps.02:07
GeneralAntillesWhich is going to be a big problem for US users.02:07
zerojayFiled a bug?02:08
zerojayOh shit.02:08
zerojayI just went from having 3 karma to like.. 160.02:08
zerojayMiddle of the second page.02:09
czrzerojay, they added something?02:09
zerojayczr: Fixed karma from Bugzilla.02:09
zerojayWhere I have something like 155 points coming from.02:09
czrzerojay, that was already couple of days back02:09
zerojayI just noticed it now.02:10
* czr nods02:10
czrI got bumped from end of page 8 to end of page 1 because of that.02:10
zerojaySoftware.. it's supposed to be for having projects on Garage, right?02:10
* czr shrugs02:10
czrI doubt it02:10
zerojayI somehow have a 3 there.02:10
czrsince I get 12 points from there02:10
zerojayWell, whatever.02:10
czrand I have no sw on garage02:11
czrat least I don't think I do :-)02:11
zerojayIt's been sneaking onto Garage while you sleep.02:11
czrdamn it!02:11
czrI suspected as much02:12
doc|workspeaking of the maps, mine always fail to download :/02:12
czrit was brought up with all that "information wants to be free" cyberpunk attitude02:12
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zerojayThe first time I ever used it, it worked fine. After the last reflash.. bleh.02:12
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czrthat's why it's beta?02:12
GeneralAntillesdoc|work, you have at least twice the space available on your SD card?02:12
doc|workGeneralAntilles: I think so, depends on which card it wants to copy it to. Will try it again tonight and see02:14
_MonkeyInternal is crap for me02:14
GeneralAntillesunless  you did some flubbing.02:14
doc|workthe one that came with it is now in my camera :)02:14
doc|workhmmm, might have put a 32mb in its place (along with 1gb external) until I get an 8gb02:15
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alteregoI should really stop keeping useless emails from people. It's hard to find the ones with _actual_ content that I need for tasks -_-02:19
maddleralterego: true...02:20
czralterego, subfolders?02:20
alteregoI have a habit of keeping _all_ emails. Which makes it hard to find the ones from people I actually need, when I need them.02:20
czror vfolders with a working incremental search system?02:20
zerojaySame here.02:20
alteregoczr, Not possible with hot/crap mail. Which unfortunately a lot of people tend to contact me with -_-02:20
czrwhy would that affect what you have to use?02:21
moutaWhen you say "home applet", do you mean something like in omweather ?02:22
alteregomouta, yes.02:22
moutaalterego, ok.02:24
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maddleralterego: some time ago I found a nice email indexing tool...02:28
maddlerhmmm... it was on freshmeat... but can't recall its name... :(02:29
maddlerlooked prettu nice actually...02:29
alteregomaddler, yeah. I just need to spend some time sorting out my resources. I have so much going on I can't waste time on making my life easier! :/02:29
maddleralterego: trust me, I know what you mean...02:29
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maddlerlemme see if I can find that proggie...02:30
maddlerit was a program originally meant to archive mailing lists' messages02:31
maddlerno way... my brain blown...02:32
K`zan_800Sigh, ubuntu is the ONLY box here that won't mount NFS paritions.02:33
maddlerwell not so BLOWN!02:33
maddlerK`zan_800: apt-get install ntfs-3g02:33
maddlerdoh... sorry! :D02:33
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alteregoWell, I've just got to sort out a few more product images and I'm sorted for the evening.02:33
K`zan_800maddler: Thanks *MUCH*!02:34
maddlerK`zan_800: no... ntfs <> NFS!02:34
K`zan_800ntfs-3g is already the newest version.02:34
K`zan_800No, not NTFS :-)02:34
maddleryou are supposed to get nfs-common02:34
K`zan_800Getting it now, thanks.  God ubuntu is a MESS :-/.02:35
maddlerK`zan_800: eretic!02:35
maddlerDebian is God, and Ubuntu his Messiah! :D02:36
K`zan_800Actually I don't think it likes me, hammers of hell to get it installed and working right, even the old one was trivial compared to this :-/.02:36
K`zan_800Heh, not with me - endless problems with it :-(.02:36
K`zan_800Gave up the old install because of all the USB problems.02:36
maddlerwell... Murphy's laws! :D02:36
K`zan_800But we are giving it another go just for maemo :).02:36
K`zan_800OK, installed, keeping toes crossed...02:37
K`zan_800maddler: THANK YOU Sir!  Working.02:37
maddlerlook... you only need what to look at...02:38
K`zan_800Why didn't it install the base stuff along with the other nfs stuff!??!?!  Don't care, just happy it is working and I can quit using scp :-).02:38
maddlerthe Messiah will give you the right answers to you questions, but it's up to you which questions to ask02:38
maddlerLOL! I'm getting wyse!02:38
K`zan_800I'm getting goofy :)02:38
maddlerNFS instead of scp?!02:39
K`zan_800Smoke!  Coffee!  Onward!!!!02:39
maddlerhope you are on a trusted environment! :D02:39
K`zan_800Keep a local /nettmp for stuff I use all over - yes it is trusted :)02:39
maddlerI only use scp to move stuff around...02:39
K`zan_800As much as is possible...02:39
K`zan_800That was what I was doing, installing my own .bashrc and various personal utils on the maemo dev box.02:40
K`zan_800(any new box)02:40
alteregoWhat else would you use scp for?02:40
K`zan_800As a wise friend once told me (back in the days when crackers were tracked down and put to a painful and slow death)"Never start networking - once you do you can never go back" :-)02:41
K`zan_800He was right...02:41
maddlerI've seen things you people wouldn't believe...02:41
K`zan_800Shame we let crackers live now though...02:42
K`zan_800Yep, me too.02:42
K`zan_800It is a wild and wacky world out there :)02:42
maddlerI've see whide open networks with root/root credentials02:42
K`zan_800God help me get sbox and the sdk right THIS time.02:42
K`zan_800At least I had the good sense to snapshot the vm before doing anything this time :).02:43
maddlerAttack servers on fire off the shoulder of Orion.02:43
maddlernice move, dude! :D02:43
K`zan_800Get slowly smarter as I get older :)02:43
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alteregoYou can't be _that_ old. Old people don't use IRC :P02:45
K`zan_800Will be glad when the fmradio applet is released, might make that a project for the newly installed sdk...02:45
K`zan_800Yeah we do :)02:45
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alteregoOld people _shouldn't_ use facebook ..02:45
* K`zan_800 <<--- Official Old Fart(TM).02:45
maddleralterego: well... I'm a 36 old teen! :D02:45
alteregoThat's why I don't have an account ^_^02:45
K`zan_80057 here :-)02:45
alterego36? That's not bad.02:45
maddleralterego: at all! :D02:45
alterego<- 24 ...02:45
K`zan_800My first computer was an IBM 1130 :)02:46
maddlerbut I'm old enough to keep using IRSSI as my irc client! :D02:46
alteregoMine was a BBC Electron.02:46
K`zan_800Or 1401, we had both :)02:46
maddlerI even got married over IRC! :D02:46
alteregopfft, hahaha02:46
zerojayI met my wife on IRC.02:46
K`zan_800Twisted folks, I am at home.02:46
maddlerI had an Apple ][e02:46
alteregoI met your wife on IRC too .. ^_^02:46
K`zan_800I met my ex on Ward and Randy's BBS :-).02:46
K`zan_800Ohhh, good one :)02:46
maddlerzerojay: same... she asked me about Negroponte's "Being digital"02:47
zerojayHah, be glad she doesn't decide to join the channel and give you boys a lashing. :)02:47
alteregozerojay, please. It sounds kinky ;)02:47
K`zan_800LOL, this ain't getting the dev stuff installed....02:47
maddlerI remember when I lived in southern Italy... some 20yrs ago...02:49
maddlerand there were NO BBSs over there...02:50
moutaCiao folks02:50
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maddlerand I had to make long distance calls in order to connect to some nice BBS02:50
maddler9600 bauds sounded a pretty good speed...02:50
* czr suspends for today02:50
czralterego, good luck with the cart :-)02:51
maddlerczr: see you02:51
czrlater maddler & all02:51
alteregoczr, yeah. It wont take long :)02:51
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czr"it shouldn't take too long" ;-)02:52
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czrI've heard that one before.. somewhere.. :-)02:52
zerojayfamous last words.02:52
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maddlerby the way... OS2008 is amazing!02:54
maddlerspeed improved...02:54
maddlerbeside both my SD cards are not working...02:55
alteregomaddler, try restarting. A couple of people have reported that.02:57
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alteregomaddler, they are fat right? Not ext?02:57
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_Monkeyfat is, like, just fine for media files02:57
maddlerthey are being mounted readonly...02:58
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maddlercan't understand if they both are gone... or N800 somehow can't correctly recognize them...02:58
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skiburranybody using Claws Mail?03:02
doc|workskiburr: have it installed, don't use it much as the pre-installed one is generally "good enough"03:02
skiburro ok03:03
doc|workfor my uses anyway03:03
skiburrI can't seem to find an option on how to direct all my mail to my removable card03:03
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maddlerhmmm... I don't think I can remember of such a function...03:05
doc|workme neither :/03:05
* doc|work looks03:05
* zerojay watches and sees songs he's playing in the default Media Player showing up on :)03:06
* zerojay muhahahahaha03:06
* zerojay takes over the world03:07
maddlerzerojay: :D03:07
doc|workwait, it's that easy?!03:08
doc|workcan I have poland?03:08
doc|workand Italy03:08
* zerojay uninstalls Kagu. :D03:08
maddleritaly is mine! :D03:08
doc|workno way, I was there first!03:08
doc|workpizza and cute girls, if it wasn't full of Italians it'd rock. (I lived there for a year, nice people, stupid organisations)03:09
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maddlerdoc|work: organizations here are not stupid... are MAD!03:21
doc|work /whois maddler03:21
doc|workooops :)03:22
doc|workthought so, an Italian :)03:22
doc|workthey are mad :/03:22
maddlerI've seen things... ;)03:22
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maddlerI'm actually working as a security consultant for a big company...03:23
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maddlerand trust me... you couldn't believe...03:23
maddlerand gov isn't any better... :(03:23
_Monkeywell, xmame is ~3.5M03:23
skiburrdoes it function well?03:23
doc|workI'll never forget leaving the country and wanting to close my bank account. Deutsche bank wanted to charge me E50 just to close the account. My bad italian mixed with my not so illogical brain thought he must have misunderstood so they got someone who spoke english to say it and they did in fact want to charge me 50 eruo03:23
doc|workso I said "I pay 120 euro a year and you want to charge me to *close* the account", the woman said "I'm sorry, this is Italy".03:24
zerojayskiburr: The tablet's not really something that you'd be able to play much MAME on.03:24
maddlerdoc|work: hehe... I know... I know...03:24
zerojay_Monkey forget xmame03:24
_Monkeyzerojay: I forgot xmame03:24
doc|workand that phrase came to sum up my entire year there :)03:24
maddlerwe have tons of beaurocracy everywhere...03:24
doc|work"This is Italy!"03:24
maddlersadly enough...03:24
doc|workshe was sympathetic, she knew it was stupid, but couldn't do anything03:24
maddlerwhere have you been?03:25
doc|workluckily I only had E30 in the account as I withdrew the cash the week before :)03:25
doc|workTorino, you?03:25
maddleryep... great place to live...03:25
doc|workbeen to milan and Aosta, really nice up there, never got to travel much though03:25
doc|workmust be way past your bedtime now :)03:26
maddler2.26... not too late yet... :)03:26
maddlerI was fixing something on eth0 server...03:26
doc|workok. home time03:27
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maddlerok... TTL here as well...03:29
skiburrhum... I think claws mail dosen't have the option for storing to an external card03:30
nooknookhow is claws is it buggy? or pretty stable. i just got an 810 and the email app with it is very stable, though could use more features and keyboard shortcuts03:31
skiburrcan you store to an external card?03:31
nooknookwith the default email client? hmm i haven't noticed that capability03:32
skiburrwith claw03:32
skiburrI have a 128mb card internal03:33
skiburrI trying to direct all my email to my 4gb removable memory03:33
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pumpkingodI'm getting a few errors like: ./client: /lib/ version `GLIBC_2.0' not found (required by /usr/local/lib/
pumpkingodI compiled libpbc in scratchbox03:41
pumpkingodand the program works fine there, but on the n800 it barfs03:41
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pumpkingodanyone have any ideas?03:43
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K`zan_800Just to make sure I understand this correctly the SDK itself is installed as the user (me) in question and NOT from within sbox?04:41
captlloyd /me can't remember04:41
K`zan_800Not clear as to whether I log into sbox to install it or just install it from my normal shell.04:42
K`zan_800The directions seem to indicate the latter but later looks like one should be in sbox...04:43
* K`zan_800 is just SO cornfuzed...04:43
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K`zan_800After you have downloaded the script to your local machine, run the04:44
K`zan_800   script outside of the Scratchbox environment:04:44
K`zan_800     $ sh maemo-sdk-install_4.0.sh04:44
K`zan_800OK, whew :)04:44
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nooknooki know the 800 and 810 are same resolution, does anyone know if the screen actually measures the same size? i assume so...05:11
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captlloydI think it is very very close05:20
captlloydBut as I don't have both, I cannot say05:20
GeneralAntillesThey're the same05:22
GeneralAntillesThe N810 is just transflective.05:22
pumpkingodI'm getting a few errors like: ./client: /lib/ version `GLIBC_2.0' not found (required by /usr/local/lib/
pumpkingodanyone have any suggestions on what to do about it?05:23
pumpkingodI have glib on the n800, and the same binary works fine in scratchbox05:23
nooknookokay thank you05:26
zerojayAny python devs around?05:26
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trulszerojay: what kinda dev?05:37
* truls doesn't develop python... but atleast uses python some times05:40
zerojaySomeone that can help me figure out why pyid3lib tells me that songlen doesn't exist when I attempt to get it from the id3 tags of an mp3.05:40
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pumpkingodhow can I make sure my n800 matches my maemo environment?05:45
trulsdoes it exist? and does the lib check v1 or v2 tags?05:45
zerojayYes and both.05:45
trulsdoes the same code work on desktop?05:46
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MagicFabIs there a OS2008 version of the OTR plugin for Pidgin ?06:02
GeneralAntillesIt's right in the Application Manager. :\06:05
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PauliukasCan IT2008 run on a 770?06:17
K`zan_800Pauliukas: Don't think so, at least not yet.06:18
K`zan_800Anyone doing dev around?06:18
K`zan_800Xephyr was installed but can't find it in scratchbox :-(.06:18
GeneralAntillesNo, Pauliukas.06:19
GeneralAntillesI'm betting on late January for an OS2008HE06:19
K`zan_800Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac  -extension Composite06:20
K`zan_800bash: Xephyr: command not found06:20
K`zan_800[sbox-CHINOOK_X86: ~/first] >06:20
GeneralAntillesYou did it wrong.06:20
trulsK`zan_800: you don't run it from scratchbox06:20
K`zan_800Ah, ok, thanks.06:20
K`zan_800Lemme go re-read that again.06:20
PauliukasWhat the heck is Chinook?06:20
_MonkeyChinook is, like, the tag name for OS200806:20
PauliukasIs _Monkey a bot?06:21
K`zan_800Ah, duhhh :)  Watch the prompts :)06:21
captlloydWhat is the Internet?06:21
_Monkeyi guess the Internet is in a loop? :-)06:21
captlloydThe Internet is a series of tubes.06:21
PauliukasAnd how's developmetn for OS 2007 for the 770 going?06:21
PauliukasI feel like doing something new with my 770.06:21
PauliukasAnd I hate the opera crashes.06:22
GeneralAntillesThere's nothing new.06:22
GeneralAntillesOS2007 is dead.06:22
captlloydWhat is the Internet?06:22
_Monkeythe Internet is in a loop? :-)06:22
PauliukasWell I hope that 2008 can be ported to the 770.06:22
GeneralAntillesThey're working on it.06:22
PauliukasI'd hate to see that Nokia is enforcing a strict updating thing.06:22
PauliukasI don't feel like buying a new device every year.06:22
GeneralAntillesThey aren't06:22
GeneralAntillesbut the 770 was really a dead-end from the start.06:22
PauliukasGood. They better not.06:22
GeneralAntillesIt's not really a consumer oriented device.06:23
GeneralAntillesThey're intentions were to sell it exclusively to the geek crowd.06:23
PauliukasRight. And I love that idea.06:23
GeneralAntillesThe N800 will have updates through at least OS200906:23
PauliukasAnd 770?06:23
GeneralAntillesIf they can get OS2008 on there, it will get OS200806:24
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GeneralAntillesI'll guarantee it wont have the horsepower for OS2009, though.06:24
GeneralAntillesPersonally, I don't have a problem with dropping 400-500 a year for new NITs.06:25
PauliukasWell, I think that in 2009, it'll be time to upgrade.06:25
GeneralAntilles(minus the N810, which isn't actually new)06:25
PauliukasI bought my 770 just this summer, heh.06:25
PauliukasBut it's been amazing so far.06:25
PauliukasI look at is as a laptop. It's fast, it has the internet, I can multitask and I carry it all around with me.06:26
MagicFabGeneralAntilles, thanks. Not obvious when I don't have the device yet :)06:26
PauliukasI've even had people approach me and ask what it is.06:26
PauliukasPersonally, for me, it's an iPhone killer. (Because I'm not interested in cellphone functionality)06:26
GeneralAntillesIt's basically a ridiculously small laptop, yes.06:26
GeneralAntillesBut the 770 is two years old now.06:26
GeneralAntillesYou kinda got in at the EOL. :)06:27
PauliukasI thought that the whole open source thing would kind-of eliminate a said EOL.06:27
PauliukasYou know how much geeks hate throwing out old stuff.06:27
GeneralAntillesMaybe if we didn't have so much binary stuff floating around.06:27
GeneralAntillesand, honestly, a 256MHz ARM core can only carry you so far. ;)06:28
PauliukasI don't need it to be a speed daemon.06:28
GeneralAntillesIt's not like the device will stop being usable if Nokia stops releasing updates.06:28
K`zanWell, apparently the sdk works :-).  Rather than have to do all that again I just suspended the VM.06:29
PauliukasGeneralAntilles: Well, no, but...06:29
PauliukasYou don't get that new OS feel anymore.06:29
GeneralAntillesMeh, the software has already pretty much outstripped the hardware there.06:30
GeneralAntillesIt's only gonna get worse.06:30
MagicFabGeneralAntilles, can you check what version of pidgin-otr is present in OS2008 ?06:30
PauliukasGeneralAntilles: I originally gotten the 770 because I wanted to have Internet on the go06:31
PauliukasMy other option was Opera on the DS.06:31
GeneralAntillesSorry for the attitude earlier, MagicFab (I assumed you had it in front of you and were just being stupid :P).06:31
PauliukasBut that thing takes about 3 minutes to render the Slashdot page.06:31
PauliukasI would have been happy with something that would have taken 30 seconds to render a page.06:31
GeneralAntilles3.1.0-1nix0, MagicFab.06:31
GeneralAntillesYeah, the 770 is a great device.06:32
GeneralAntillesBought my first one in November 2005.06:32
GeneralAntillesBought a second when they hit woot during the summer.06:32
GeneralAntillesGot an N800 now.06:32
pumpkingodmy n800 keeps forgetting the date06:33
pumpkingodI reset it06:33
pumpkingodand then after a restart it forgets it again06:33
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GeneralAntillesThat's weird06:34
GeneralAntillesNever had that happen to me.06:34
PauliukasMaybe it has an internal battery for keeping time of date?06:35
GeneralAntillesSure, the big one. ;)06:36
GeneralAntillesWish it had NTP built-in.06:36
PauliukasI've removed the big battery on several occasions and it didn't lost track of the time.06:38
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PauliukasMaybe it has a capacitor that can retain the thing for a few minutes...06:39
GeneralAntillesThat would be my guess.06:39
GeneralAntillesBecause there are no internal batteries.06:39
PauliukasDid anyone dissect the 770 or 800?06:39
sciboyIs there a torrent tracker for maemo? Already encoded video and such.06:39
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PauliukasAny photo galleries for that out of curiosity.06:39
GeneralAntillesHa . . . no, sciboy.06:40
Pauliukassciboy: That'd be a splendid idea but I don't think so.06:40
GeneralAntillesInstall mediaserv or something.06:40
K`zanPauliukas: I've heard that there are videos on utube showing that, but I haven't checked - mine it too new for that :).06:40
GeneralAntillesI've seen them for both06:40
GeneralAntillesthey're out there06:40
GeneralAntillesI don't recall where, though.06:40
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PauliukasI've always wondered where the wifi antenna was located06:42
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GeneralAntillesIf anybody need a keyboard:
PauliukasI'm surprised. It doesn't look smoother than my 770.06:45
PauliukasYet, it has a way faster chip in it.06:45
PauliukasGeneralAntilles: 40406:45
GeneralAntillesI should learn to type. ;)06:46
PauliukasWow. Looks sexah.06:46
sciboyPauliukas, Yeah, now there's a decent torrent tracker it'd be great to be able to distributed CC stuff for direct use on the device.06:46
PauliukasHow much are these keyboards like that these days?06:46
sciboytorrent application*06:46 had them for $30USD06:46
GeneralAntillesI picked mine up last Friday06:47
GeneralAntillesThey're probably still up.06:47
Pauliukassciboy: Yeah, and I wish there were podcasts which distributed videos in that format too.06:47
PauliukasGeneralAntilles: Amazon is great, but I'm in Canada.06:47
PauliukasThe Canadian amazon only sells books and CDs.06:47
PauliukasAnd usually, electronics are way more expensive than US.06:47
GeneralAntillesSucks for yoooouuuuu!06:47
PauliukasI know it does.06:47
PauliukasI was looking at bluetooth keyboards in local stores.06:48
PauliukasThey run like around 120 to 200 dollars.06:48
straindIs that a Palm related keyboard?06:48
sciboyGosh BT keyboards are pricey.06:48
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GeneralAntillesWell, it WAS $3006:49
straindThere's a Palm Shortcut on the Ctrl key.06:49
GeneralAntillesIt's made to work with Palms06:49
GeneralAntillesbut it's not a Palm keyboard06:49
GeneralAntillesit's just a generic bluetooth keyboard.06:49
sciboyI <3 Blender06:51
PauliukasIs it actually good?06:51
PauliukasCompared to 3dsm and Maya.06:51
astro76GeneralAntilles, guess it's over, it was still 29.99 earlier... glad I got mine ;)06:52
* Pauliukas envies the US06:52
GeneralAntillesBlender sucks compared to Cinema 4D.06:52
* GeneralAntilles <3's the US. :P06:52
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sciboyPauliukas, I'm not into comparisons, but it works well.06:52
sciboyPauliukas, I'd be interested to see if we could get the game engine running under Maemo.06:53
PauliukasHah. I don't think so.06:53
PauliukasIsn't Blender a 3D thing too?06:53
sciboyYep, OpenGL.06:53
PauliukasDon't tell me that the 810 has a graphic accelerator chip in it...06:54
sciboyNo it doesn't.06:54
GeneralAntillesThe N800 does, too.06:54
sciboyActually it does, but we don't have a driver.06:54
PauliukasWow... You're kidding me.06:54
PauliukasSo wait, what's the use then?06:54
GeneralAntillesMr. Misinformation. :P06:54
GeneralAntillesThere isn't one.06:54
PauliukasAn accelerator without use?06:54
PauliukasNokia loves to waste money?06:54
GeneralAntillesThere's also a hot-ass video decoder in there06:54
PauliukasI can just imagine a bunch of swedish people round the table.06:55
GeneralAntillesbut no drivers for that, either.06:55
GeneralAntillesWell, it's not really an added cost.06:55
Pauliukas"And let's put a 3D graphicz accelrator chip in there for no reason at all"06:55
GeneralAntillesThe OMAP cores from TI come with them whether you want them or not (basically).06:55
PauliukasI have no idea why I'm imagining them with german accents, though.06:55
GeneralAntillesI don't know why they haven't given us drivers, though.06:55
PauliukasBut I'm sure it's not as fast as a dedicated chip.06:55
GeneralAntillesAlthough it MAY be related to the custom LCD controller they had to work up to get 800x480 in there.06:55
GeneralAntillesIt'll play Quake 3 on the similarly equipped Axims.06:56
sciboyAnyway that aside, the N800+ has hardware vfp, it should be able to handle software rendering without too many polygons flying around. (and maybe half-the-res)06:56
oil_Pauliukas: where do you get the swedes to the picture?06:57
Pauliukasoil_:  Nokia is swedish? I don't know.06:57
sciboySomeone had it working on the 770 and mesa.06:57
oil_Pauliukas: Ericksson is swdish. Nokia is Finnish.06:58
PauliukasOh right. Stupid me.06:58
MagicFabGeneralAntilles, many thanks (otr version)06:59
oil_well. that's ok. anyway.. when blaiming nokia to being stupid.. it's good to put the blame on swedish ;-)06:59
sciboyPauliukas, Oh and I forgot to mention that there's a port for pocketpc. In any case I think the hardware can take it if someone did the tweaking of a build.07:00
sciboyThat and I'm working on stuff in the game engine already, if there was a half-way working port I'd have something I could contribute to.07:04
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PauliukasThe internet tablet would be an amazing gaming devide.07:09
PauliukasI'm sick of the DS. Such a waste of money.07:10
* truls loves his DS as a japanese dictionary07:11
kulvesciboy: sw rendering is *slow* on the device07:11
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PauliukasBut I'm not japanese.07:12
trulsit can actually read written kanji, which i can't input (well) on the n80007:12
trulsPauliukas: neither am I.07:12
sciboykulve, Software rendering is always slow07:13
kulvesciboy: yeah, but you can render like 10 polygons with that device..07:13
sciboykulve, That's more than I could ever hope for.07:13
sciboykulve, What resolution are we talking?07:13
sciboykulve, 800x480 or 400x240?07:13
kulvefriend of mine was running a textured cube with vincent on the device, and it was 400x240 with pixel doubling07:14
GeneralAntillesPauliukas, really? Sick of the DS?07:14
sciboyAn entire cube? good frame rate?07:14
GeneralAntillesI had been considering getting one07:14
kulveI can't remember the exact rates, but it was 10-20 fps, iirc07:14
GeneralAntillesseems like a lot of good games are available.07:14
kulvethat was open gl es07:15
kulvebut now I'm off07:15
* truls loved the castlevania on the DS07:15
PauliukasGeneralAntilles: Heck no!07:15
trulsand soon you'll have mario party07:16
PauliukasAll the games are aimed at 12 year olds.07:16
PauliukasI'm _trying_ to playing Zelda right now and I can swear you that this thing makes children queer.07:16
GeneralAntillesYou have a Wii?07:16
PauliukasMost of the games are casual games. For me, that's just time wasting.07:16
PauliukasNo. Same problem with the Wii. No good games.07:16
PauliukasPeople with the Wii only mostly play Wii sports.07:17
trulsmario galaxy is fun07:17
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sciboykulve, All I need is a few planes to do a 2D game.07:17
GeneralAntillesTwilight Princess, Metroid, Mario Galaxy07:17
GeneralAntillesI have a ton of fun at parties with Rayman and Wii Sports.07:17
GeneralAntillesSmash will be along soon enough07:17
trulswoo, smash07:17
sciboyRayman is awesome.07:17
sciboyArm killer.07:17
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GeneralAntillesThere are a bunch coming out right now that are supposed to be great (I need to hit up Target :\)07:18
GeneralAntillesRE4 for Wii was a ton of fun.07:18
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PauliukasGeneralAntilles: But the thing that annoys me the MOST07:19
PauliukasWe're in 2007... And most of the DS games take no more than 8MB of space.07:19
PauliukasThey use crappy sprites and MIDI music everywhere.07:19
PauliukasI mean, geez. Please07:19
PauliukasThe DS has 2 processors. I think one 33 and the other 6607:20
PauliukasAnd 4MB of RAM.07:20
GeneralAntillesReally, I want my 360 back from Microsoft.07:20
GeneralAntillesMass Effect is out and I can't even play it. :(07:20
PauliukasWow. The game that I'm playing right now is utter rubbish.07:21
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PauliukasThe music is pathetic and what's up with that old-school RPG text dialog fetish.07:21
PauliukasIn EVERY game out there they have these dialogs. And what they say is just nonsense too07:22
Pauliukas"Shall we play a game?"07:22
GeneralAntillesAnybody ever get around to playing Elebits?07:22
GeneralAntillesThat stuff is unreal.07:23
GeneralAntillesProbably the most immersive use of motion control so far.07:23
GeneralAntillesGameplay gets a little old after a while07:23
GeneralAntillesso it's a rental07:23
GeneralAntillesbut damn07:23
PauliukasThe DS game I'm on right now has a weird UI which changes every second.07:24
sciboyHow responsive is the controls?07:24
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PauliukasDamn weird japanese people.07:24
GeneralAntillesI was very impressed, sciboy.07:24
GeneralAntillesIt's not 100%07:24
GeneralAntillesBut once you get a feel for it you stop thinking about it.07:24
sciboyCool. =D07:25
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K`zanWhere is that 2007 fmradio applet hidden?!?!07:28
GeneralAntillesI hope Nokia will help out with the gaming side of the ITs in the future.07:28
GeneralAntillesYou on OS2007, K`zan?07:28
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K`zanNo, but I got the sdk going and thought I'd see about porting it.07:29
GeneralAntillesBleh, good luck. :)07:29
GeneralAntillesgoogle it.07:29
K`zanSomething I rather enjoted having on 2007....07:29
K`zangoogle on "fmradio" on google, sure, I'll try it.07:30
GeneralAntillesIt wont be more than 2 weeks before we have it.07:30
GeneralAntillesUh, no07:30
GeneralAntillesgoogle: maemo fm radio applet07:30
GeneralAntillesor: n800 fm radio07:30
K`zanPatience IS a virtue. Being PATIENT now... :-)07:30
K`zanThanks, google was less than useless for a change :).07:31
GeneralAntillesGoogle is usually less than useless. ;)07:32
timelyxK`zan: it's nokia code07:32
timelyxafaik it isn't open source07:32
timelyxit's not great code either07:32
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corevetteso how do i update my nokia 770, ijust got one08:29
GeneralAntillesWhat are you on?08:30
|Rcorevette : never had one but try the wiki on :)08:30
corevettealso, it came with memory in two parts, they are attached to eachother, one says 64 mb and one says 2gig08:32
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VimSmemory in 2 parts?08:42
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VimSone big one small ?08:42
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VimS <- like this ?08:43
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corevettevims: it looks like one giant memory card but is split in two08:46
corevettehold on08:46
* |R is fed up with his random n800's sip problem :|08:47
GeneralAntillesYou have random N800s?08:48
|Ri mostly have random english, but sometimes its the n800 :P08:48
corevettesorry for crappy images08:50
|Rweird card08:52
zuhThat's a reduced-size MMC and it's adapter. I guess the 2GB hints at the max size of an rs-MMC, dunno why it should be on the adapter though08:52
zuh(the adapter makes it a normal-sized MMC)08:52
corevetteit says 2gb on the adapter08:52
corevettei figured08:52
corevetteoh nevermind08:53
corevettethat's stupid08:53
corevettethe adapter says 2gb08:53
corevetteand the actual card says nothing08:53
corevetteso i figured it was just nothing on the card08:53
|R <- if anybody is looking for an n800 in .ca land ...08:53
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tneurtanyone have an address for ruby-dbus n800 build?08:57
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tneurtwhat pkg do i want for ruby-dbus? the devel one?09:02
corevettehow do you install 2007 hacked edition09:04
K`zantimelyx: Thanks, I guess I'll wait for fmradio :-).09:05
GeneralAntilles*Hacker Edition, corevette. . . .09:05
GeneralAntillesand the same way you install any other firmware.09:05
GeneralAntillesFlash it09:05
_MonkeyFirmware and associated utilities are available from
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GeneralAntillesA useful answer.09:06
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K`zanNight folks!09:10
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corevette_monkey, it says the 770 cannot open bin images09:12
_Monkeycorevette: what?09:12
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GeneralAntillesUh, corevette, you have to FLASH the device.09:15
GeneralAntillesWhat platform are you on.09:15
GeneralAntillesAlso: _Monkey is a bot, so talking to him is a bad plan. :)09:15
corevettegeneralantilles: a nokia 770, how do i flash it09:15
GeneralAntillesObviously I can tell what device you're using.09:16
GeneralAntillesWhat COMPUTER platform are you on?09:16
* sciboy <3's Blender09:16
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corevettegeneralantilles: vista + ubuntu09:16
corevetteeither one09:16
_Monkeysomebody said Ubuntu was alright09:16
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GeneralAntillesBasically, download the OS2007HE image to your computer09:17
_Monkeyhmmm... sidux is a distro that tracks debian sid and catches problems/incompatibilities in an updater script.  Very fast/light livecd.  Very fast/clean install.  The less-annoying alternative to Ubuntu.  http://www.sidux.com09:17
GeneralAntillesdownload the flasher to your computer09:17
corevettegeneralantilles: is it easier on linux? i'm on windows right now and would be easier if there was a windows one09:17
GeneralAntillesthen run the flasher as root with the 770 plugged in and turned off09:17
GeneralAntillesIt's much more reliable on Linux09:17
GeneralAntillesand I'm not even sure the flasher runs under Vista.09:17
GeneralAntillesThough you could try.09:18
corevettethis link doesn't work
VimScorevette: just one question: do you realy want hackerOS2007 on your 2007 ?09:21
VimSerrr 77009:22
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corevettevims: yes09:23
corevettevims why would i not09:23
VimSwell i've been using it for a while and basicly: it sucks ;)09:24
VimSbrowser crashes often, device reboots09:24
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VimSand compared to os2006 its kind of slow09:24
GeneralAntillesInteresting, I've used both extensively on two 770s.09:25
GeneralAntillesand had exactly the opposite experience.09:25
GeneralAntillesDid you ever install seatbelt, VimS?09:25
VimSit was only after the latest he07 release that i flashed back to os0609:25
VimSyes i did09:25
VimSyou are realy sayin that os07 isnt slow at all on your 770 ?09:26
GeneralAntillesIt's slow compared to my N80009:26
GeneralAntillesbut faster than 200609:26
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VimSdid you do anything other than install seatbelt ?09:27
* VimS is afk again09:28
tneurtstill looking for an n800 build of ruby-dbus.. anyone know of a site?09:28
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GeneralAntillesIf it's not on alterego's site, it's not anywhere.09:29
GeneralAntillesMaybe he rolled it into one of the other .debs?09:29
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GeneralAntillesThe two 770s are my couch and nightstand browsers.09:29
GeneralAntillesThey work really well.09:29
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corevettegeneralantilles: do you think they will release os2008 HE?09:32
GeneralAntillesThat's the intention, yes.09:32
tneurtyeah the only deb i cant get to work is the 'dev' one09:33
GeneralAntillesBut it's really a question of man-hours.09:33
pupnik"The Mythical Man-Month" - book09:33
GeneralAntillesThe HE stuff is basically a "sparetime" project for maemo.09:33
GeneralAntillesThanks, pupnik!09:33
GeneralAntilles(You're becoming almost as random as _Monkey. :P)09:34
oil_how does /etc/network/if-up.d/ work? I created and script called to it, set the cdmo 755, but the script is not run when connecting to the wlan09:34
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|Rgood question..09:37
|R# post-up /etc/network/if-up.d/foo.sh09:38
|Rto you /etc/network/interfaces maybe...09:38
|R(from what i googled...)09:38
|Rwithout the # :)09:38
oil_hmm. I'll try something like that09:39
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tneurtruby-dbus where are you!?09:57
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corevettehow do you change your sources.list on maemo10:06
pupnikyou can edit with application manager10:06
pupnikor vi /etc/apt/sources.list10:06
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corevettegregale vs. mistral?10:10
oil_the if-up.d did not work out. and also in the networks, there is no definition of wlan010:10
infobotoil_ meant: the if-up.d did not work out. and also in the interfaces, there is no definition of wlan010:11
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GeneralAntillesBora for OS2007, corevette.10:16
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corevettehuh generalantilles?10:19
_Monkeyi think generalantilles is right. Using Jaffa's 770-encode10:19
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GeneralAntillesHell yes!10:19
GeneralAntillesBut also irrelevant.10:19
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timelyxhrm, is there a /dev/video on the n800?10:25
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pupniknot that i know - also no /dev/dsp10:27
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timelyxpupnik: can i interest you in hacking some code?10:27
timelyxone file, <2000 lines, all it needs is tlc (and v4l and ...)10:27
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pupnikwhat is?10:28
timelyxthe first obvious bug is line 148610:28
* timelyx has no idea what the right answer is10:28
pupniki see10:29
timelyx(there's also an OOM bug between 1483 and 1484 (failure to null check malloc)10:29
timelyxthere's also an error path from 1481/1522/152310:30
timelyxdereferencing null instance10:30
pupnikinclude <linux/videodev.h>  <<- this is available for n800?10:30
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pupniki am havingk only 770 device for the using10:31
timelyxhere's an easy trick:10:31
timelyxclick "find it elsewhere"10:31
timelyxthat's for people too lazy to type /find?string=videodev.h10:32
timelyxnote that /source/videodev.h is not really much shorter, and will fine you one click10:32
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timelyxthink that's enough to get you started? :)10:33
pupnikcan you look at software that does use video camera?10:34
pupniksource code10:34
_Monkeysource code is accesible?10:34
timelyx_Monkey forget source code10:34
_Monkeytimelyx: I forgot source code10:34
timelyx_Monkey source code is
_MonkeyOK, timelyx.10:34
timelyxpupnik: the v4l link is "close enough" to that10:35
timelyxman, that's annoying10:35
timelyxmy phone beeps at me every couple of minutes to tell me it's done charging10:35
pupnikfind person who knows how to use v4l and make them help you10:35
timelyxsorry, they're busy :)10:36
timelyxseriously, i'm already poking them to help me add <video> support to the browser10:36
* czr peeks10:36
timelyxand given a choice between <video> for browser and camera for flash10:36
pupnikHELP TIMELYX10:36
timelyxi'll take <video> for browser10:36
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* czr gives THEM a more effective pokes10:36
kupesoftIs there a package for wireless-tools for the n800?10:36
_Monkeyhmmm... os2008 is really fast10:37
vegaihmm, could the n810s come to europe already?10:37
timelyx_Monkey package search is
_MonkeyOK, timelyx.10:37
timelyx=> kupesoft10:38
timelyxvegai: patience is a virtue10:38
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timelyx_Monkey patience is also not to be found in this domain10:38
_Monkeyokay, timelyx.10:38
_Monkeyrumour has it patience is a virtue, patience is a virtue, patience is a virtue... or not to be found in this domain10:39
czrtimelyx, patients are gonna hurt you :-)10:39
czrthat's how I always hear it10:39
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kupesofttimelyx perfect, thanks10:40
vegaibut am I a virtuous man...10:41
*** timelyx changes topic to "development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | | | |"10:41
* timelyx gets cautious about topic space10:42
* timelyx steals slashes10:42
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czryou could always tinyurl all of those!10:44
timelyxthen people wouldn't know what they're for10:44
timelyxkinda defeats the point10:44
czror even better, make a page, which contains all of those urls, then tinyurl that, and then you have ultrasweet & short topic :-)10:44
timelyxi could probably ask justdave for mxr.justdave.net10:44
czrit's not like it's very obvious even now either10:45
timelyxi claim irc log is moderately clear10:45
czr"even now either" = meh. need coffee.10:45
czrtimelyx, 1/4 = not there yet :-)10:45
czrthe last link is ok too10:46
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czrso that's 50%. and since we're glass is full-people, that's good enough :-)10:46
* timelyx rotfl10:46
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timelyxhey, we have descriptive text, so i claim 3/5 parts of the topic are helpful/obvious :)10:47
guardianmornin maemo!10:48
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czrtimelyx, i propose to change to "development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets (for the moments when you have Internet Headache) | ...10:49
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timelyxczr: we could probably do {text} | /msg _Monkey source reference | /msg _Monkey package search | /msg _Monkey irc log | /msg _Monkey n800 os2008 beta10:51
timelyxit hides the links but arguably improves the readability....10:52
* timelyx sighs10:54
timelyxczr / Jaffa/ someone, i need a rubber chicken or wet trout in isle...10:54
timelyxmaybe aisle10:54
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keesjtimelyx: I don't understand the rubber thing10:55 ?10:56
keesjthe problem is keyboard related , entering passwords in other parts of maemo does not work either(gtalk stuff ) for example10:56
timelyxkeesj: right, and anyone can search for: keyboard password10:56
timelyxand they'll find the right bug10:56
timelyxbut this guy didn't10:56
timelyxand i'd rather someone else yell at him10:57
timelyxit's the wrong bug.10:57
timelyxtry using bug 226310:57
_MonkeyBug 2263 might be found at
timelyxyou could use the text i wrote there  ^^10:57
timelyxor write your own10:57
timelyxnote: quicksearch is reached by entering words into the search field on the root page <>10:57
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* czr goes hunting for rubber chickens10:59
czrtimelyx, any size preferences? :-)10:59
keesjme did also enter a password field bug10:59
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keesjit's bugilla that sucks big time10:59
timelyxkeesj: i know you did, redeem yourself :)11:00
* czr sighs11:00
keesjdon't blame people for a lame system11:00
czrone of my bugs was invalidated!11:00
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keesjenter "#2263" in the search field and get zero zarrooo bugs11:02
timelyxentiering #2263 in the find field gets me 706 :)11:02
Spakman_keesj: got to agree, Bugzilla search is pretty dreadful11:02
keesjis like jira and the system that kde uses(perhaps a modded bugzilla?)11:03
timelyxok, for the reference, this user searched for: os2008+thumb11:03
timelyxdon't ask me why he chose os2008 instead of password11:03
timelyxseems kinda stupid11:04
* keesj searched fot thumb keyboard but the bug was with "finger keyboard"11:04
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* keesj goes back to work11:04
* timelyx frowns11:04
JaffaNirbubgm akk11:05
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Jaffatimelyx: I'll go a happy-slapping.11:07
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timelyxhi blassey11:11
blasseyhi timelyx11:11
blasseydoes anyone know how to show and hide the virtual keyboard?11:12
_Monkeyn810 is a mixed blessing. sure it got gps and keyboard. but it got one less memory slot...11:12
timelyxcontrol panel11:12
timelyxtext settings (?)11:12
timelyxenable stylus input methods11:12
timelyx(second tab?)11:12
timelyxmicrob does that :)11:12
timelyxyou can read that code11:13
* czr wonders what to do11:13
blasseyI see hildon_im_context_send_command in the source11:13
blasseybut that's not in an exposed header11:13
czrshould probably document the local mirroring thingy11:13
blasseythat I could find11:13
timelyx# ;11:14
timelyx# line 2274 -- hildon_gtk_im_context_show (im);11:14
timelyxblassey: that's from a brutal text search11:14
blasseyappreciate it11:15
timelyxthat's the api "decl" and friends11:15
timelyxblassey: do take advantage of the xref, it's there to serve :)11:16
blasseydidn't think to look at the microb code11:16
blasseykinda assumed that gtk text boxes were taking care of it automagically11:17
* timelyx reprograms blassey11:17
timelyxyou're doing what again exactly? :)11:17
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blasseyfixing the fact that the keyboard doesn't get raised in firefox11:18
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timelyxblassey: right, you're hacking a gecko...11:18
timelyxso where's the first place you should look for anything? :)11:18
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blasseyyea yea11:19
blasseyI was looking here11:19
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timelyxinternally i have that cross referenced11:19
timelyxas part of the same thing that cross references
timelyxhowever atm i'm not sure if i have that cross referenced11:20
czrhmm. stupid questoin. how do I get a pipe character with 810 keyboard?11:20
czrquestion even.11:20
timelyxfor now, your starting points should be chinook and garage11:20
timelyxgarage holding microb and chinook being the api/sdk11:20
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timelyxczr: depends on key layout11:20
timelyxi use the ae! char11:20
timelyxit's on the second or third tab11:21
czrlooks like scandinavian11:21
blasseysounds good11:21
kaltsiczr with the help of the 'Chr' key11:21
timelyxiirc in en-GB it's available in a shift11:21
blasseysure beats grep anyway11:21
timelyxblassey: indeed11:21
czrkaltsi, thanks11:21
timelyxkaltsi: cheater11:21
timelyxyou triggered at least 2 reflows, sit in the corner for at least 2 wait cycles11:22
* timelyx hates the im impl11:22
timelyxtotally broken11:22
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timelyxblassey, ah
timelyxthere's a /maemo-all/ but no /maemo/ :)11:23
timelyxnote: you don't really want to use -all's unless you're comparing code11:23
timelyx(-all's also tend to be too painful for the indexers)11:24
blasseymakes sense11:24
blasseystill useful though11:24
timelyx-all means full svn, for when i don't have the time/energy to make symlink mazes11:24 metric right now is "better than grep"11:24
timelyxand it also means i can svn up easier11:24
timelyxyeah yeah11:24
guardianpardon my ignorance: microb is the new mozilla based browser ?11:24
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_Monkeymicrob is, like, the nokia sponsored gtk2-cairo hack of gecko for use by /usr/bin/browser via eal on n800 (4.2007)11:25
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timelyxguardian: oddly, sometimes _Monkey isn't useless11:25
* HGFB curses his N810 GPS11:26
HGFBI don't think I've ever seen a GPS take as long as this to figure out where it was11:26
sxpertHGFB, lucky you... you can actually curse it11:26
czrtimelyx, ae on mine puts out ae11:27
timelyxczr: i was thinking about vkb11:27
czralthough I seemed to notice some kind of bug in how the thing works.11:27
czrah. I wasn't11:27
guardiani don't use my tablet often, i'm so lagging behind11:27
timelyxyou know the key i mean, right?11:27
czrtimelyx, ah, the &!e one?11:27
czrbtw, that key does not work in SDK ;-)11:28
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AD-N770bon dia / good morning11:33
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timelyxfile a bug?11:34
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timelyxJaffa: note that phi is a hit and runner, he spammed the bug but didn't vote or cc11:34
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timelyxso you might want to send him a note :(11:35
czrtimelyx, I've filed a bug. it's classed as enhancement now ;-)11:36
czrtimelyx, 228911:36
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timelyxthere's no internal bug ref there11:38
timelyxhey, can you select HWR in sdk? :)11:39
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czrI have no idea11:39
czr(don't have a working SDK right now)11:39
czrI'd expect for the HWR to me missing completely11:40
timelyxi'm wondering if it's properly missing or buggily missing :)11:40
czrprobably latter11:40
timelyxright :)11:40
czr"missing with extra features"11:40
* timelyx kicks svn11:41
czrtrunk or branch?11:42
timelyxthere's no such thing11:45
timelyxin this case i think connectivity doesn't even have a trunk11:45
timelyxwhich is the reason i'm kicking it11:46
czrsingle tree? that's .. evil :-)11:47
czralthough my personal projects are also like that. but since there are no other people messing with my code, I can live with it11:47
czrand I never do anything I would regret later anyway.. /me hides11:47
timelyxno trunk11:49
timelyxwhich means i can't point to an always "latest' something11:49
timelyxi have to magically know when to change the link11:49
czrof course11:49
timelyxyeah, i'll get that right11:49
czror ask repo-maintainers to make a magical conf file for each project that you can read and use that11:49
L0cutushello! is 'pand' command available on OS2008 ?11:50
czralthough you know that that won't ever happen11:50
* czr chuckles11:51
czror maybe even "hee hee"s.11:51
* timelyx frowns11:57
timelyxi'm trying to remember if haf still lives in stage.maemo11:57
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timelyxi thought they moved to gnome.org11:57
pupnikwow, scott adams gets it11:57
timelyxthis surprises you?11:57
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timelyxok, they seem to still be using stage at least if is trustworthy11:58
czrthis surprises you?11:59
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timelyxwhich part?12:00
czrtrustworthy :-)12:00
czror rather, they using stage12:00
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timelyxi'm not claiming it's trustworthy12:00
timelyxthe stage bit12:00
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rothielHi guys :)12:02
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Segnale007hi there12:04
_Monkeyprivet, Segnale00712:04
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timelyxblassey: should be useful/usable eventually12:09
timelyxit's scheduled to pull in haf next12:09
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timelyxczr: is fun12:16
pupnikThu Nov 29 10:16:24 UTC 200712:18
czrtimelyx, interesting files12:19
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timelyxczr: reload12:25
czrdifferent icons this time :-)12:26
czrincorrect permissions methinks?12:26
timelyxno, the symlinks point to things that don't exist <yet>12:27
timelyxi created the symlinks in advance12:27
timelyxsvn will make them valid <eventually>12:27
czrah. silly of mxr to treat them as regular files12:27
timelyxi'm working on it12:28
czrwork harder!12:28
* czr hides & runs12:28
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timelyxok, reload, i think i gotit12:31
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czrdon't you test your stuff yourself?12:33
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timelyxwhat do you see?12:33
czrbroken icons12:33
czr"this file does not exists"s12:33
timelyxthat's correct12:33
czrerr. so why did you want me to reload?12:33
timelyxthey won't exist until svn stops diddling with     haf/maemo-branches/IT-2005/packaging/tags/gtk+2.0/2.6.4-1.osso7312:34
timelyxwell, the previous time it would always give out broken icons for all files12:34
timelyxnow it only does it for truly broken ones :)12:34
czrthey're all broken, aren't they? :-)12:35
timelyxall the items in that directory atm? yes12:35
timelyxeventually README won't be12:35
timelyxit'll be a real file12:35
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pupnik"Those men will break your bones." - Tricky13:36
czr<3 tricky13:36
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alteregoczr: Are you about?13:37
czryes. kind of. yes.13:37
* timelyx sighs13:38
alteregoI've got some bugs for you. Would you like patches?13:38
timelyx    haf/maemo-branches/IT-2005/tags/gtk+/2.6.4-1.osso75/13:38
timelyxwhat's the point of a branches directory that contains a tags directory?13:39
timelyxother than wasting gb's of space?13:39
Juhazsvn doesn't waste space with branches or tags.13:40
timelyxJuhaz: depends on how you think about it13:44
timelyxif you check out haf/ you lose gb's of space13:44
timelyxif you mean the database doesn't waste space, that's nice13:45
timelyxbut totally useless13:45
timelyxmost people don't run svn databases13:45
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timelyxczr: i got tired of waiting for svn, so i'm racing checkouts13:45
Juhazmost people don't check out entire databases either, but I suppose some do :)13:45
Juhazand yeah, you would be right on that13:46
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czrtimelyx, heh13:46
czrtimelyx, much nicer13:47
czresp with the 'missing' thing now13:47
czr"** Warning: Cannot open xref database." is to be expected, right?13:47
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lardmanDoes the kernel handle device files that are closed due to a SIGINT in the process that has the handle differently from the same process simply close()ing the device?13:50
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czrif you mean the driver, then no13:57
czrbut you need to be careful about closing versus dropping references in the driver13:57
czrsince those two things are separate13:58
lardmanczr: just wondering about the user-side code, whether to trap the SIGINT signal and explictly close my device or assume the dspgateway will issue a kill even to the dsp task13:59
czrah. the kernel driver should handle all those cases13:59
lardman:) cool13:59
czrnot sure how dspgateway does the dma stuff though, at least if it's visible to userspace which I doubt it is (directly at least)13:59
lardmanWill stop my resets due to run away threads on the dsp13:59
lardmandma is done by mapping a file with mmap14:00
lardmansharing at least, but probably not dma but rather through the mmu14:00
czrnote, _should_. the kernel driver might have other ideas if it's not well enough implemented.14:01
czrbut that'd be going against unix semantics = bad.14:01
lardmanI see what you mean, no, I don't think dsp dma is visible on the user side14:01
lardmanczr: I'll test and see, thanks14:01
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czrwell, the driver should do all the necessary unmapping. userspace _should_ not care.14:02
czrnp & good luck14:02
lardmanShouldn't need luck, just tracking down why select() doesn't do anything and having to kill the user side process, which obviously doesn't get round to issuing a command to the dsp task to kill its processing thread14:03
lardmantweak to the dsp task should solve that, then I'll have to reboot less often (hopefully)14:03
czrso the dsp task keeps running on the kernel/dsp side, right?14:03
czrhmm. doesn't dspgateway has anything for tracking run-away tasks on the dsp side?14:04
lardmanwell the task itself is probably stopped when the device file is closed, but it's started a thread which doesn't seem to be stopped14:04
czrhmmh. well. out of my expertise :-)14:04
lardmanthere's not much by way of monitoring tools unfortunately14:04
czrI tried to look at dspgateway way back, but decided it wasn't worth me spending too much time on.14:04
* czr nods14:04
lardmanit's interesting, but frustrating, hard to debug14:05
lardmanpowervr is more interesting atm, but I should finish some dsp bits off14:05
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acydlordman, i'm glad skype actually works on os2008 beta14:29
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_Monkeybonjour, dneary15:15
nomisdneary: hi dave!15:15
dnearyHi Simon15:15
dnearyLong time no see15:15
dnearyHas the GIMP sorted out that governance problem yet? :)15:16
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nomisdneary: kinda.15:16
nomisdneary: not really probably.15:16
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_Monkeyhey, zpol15:22
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acydlord <- interesting article, slightly off topic15:28
acydlordabout verizon opening up their network15:29
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OgMacielhello guys and gals... I am having problems installing new apps on my N800 (OS2008)... it always complains about missing deps, most notaby libreadline15:31
OgMacielany have some feedback?15:31
acydlorddo you have all the repos that you need?15:34
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OgMacielacydlord: I clicked on a package via the maemo/garage site and it automatically added the repo for me... but I don't know if I am missing one15:37
OgMacielacydlord: is there a default list of repos?15:37
acydlordone second, i'll get you a link15:37
acydlord <- there you go15:39
acydlordif you visit that link on your n800 it can add the repos for you automatically15:39
OgMacielacydlord: I really appreciated your help! :)15:40
acydlordno problem :)15:40
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linuxkrnmorning all16:38
linuxkrnis there a good "support" forums for the 810?16:39
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Takthere's ...16:45
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bilboedanyone knows if there's a nstx package for os2007/2008 somewhere ?16:56
bilboednstx is the ip-over-dns stuff16:56
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TheFool2alright I got some stupid questions, anyone around?17:07
TheFool2trying to flash my n770 as per the instructions and I am having no luck. Just trying to figure out what I am doing wrong17:08
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* sciboy starts hunting down anything about wesnoth on maemo.17:12
sikahakkihow you trie17:13
TakTheFool2: what problem are you having?17:13
sikahakki was about to ask same thing :) how you tried to flash17:14
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linuxkrnwhere can I find libbz2 for os2008?17:18
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linuxkrnit's not in the list of apps on either or program manager17:19
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sciboyIs there any examples of pygame apps under maemo?17:22
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pupniksciboy: i think someone built it17:25
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Taksciboy: kagu17:25
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pupnikyaay i now have 500 legal c64 games and 200 legal amiga games to test emus17:27
* pupnik does the 80s dance17:28
gla55_you wouldn't know whats the fastest nes emu around?17:29
sciboyIn particular I'm looking to find out how to do pixel doubling from python.17:29
pupnikyes i do17:29
pupnikfor arm?17:29
gla55_arm, not thinking of for maemo though17:30
sciboyI am not seeing that in Kagu...17:30
pupnikit's littlejohn17:30
pupnikgives playable speed on a 66mhz cpu17:30
gla55_pupnik: i got  an old infones port for symbian i did years ago, planning on making a 3rd ed port, but might change(try another) the emu core just as well17:31
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gla55_playable on 66mhz? wow17:31
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pupnikoh infones runs on nokia :)17:31
pupniki buildeidid it a while back - pretty spluttery tho17:32
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pupnik[sbox-SB_Arm2: ~/NES/infones/tmp/InfoNES097JRC1_SDL/bin] > ls -l17:32
pupniktotal 25617:32
pupnik-rwxr-xr-x  1 minra minra 251539 Feb 25  2006 InfoNES17:32
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gla55_pupnik: back then i did go through a lot of emus seeing if their code would build for symbian17:33
pupniknice clean code tho17:33
gla55_and if it would work17:33
gla55_infones was one of the few that worked :p17:33
pupnikyeah nice and portable17:33
pupnikand really clean lookin17:33
TakI don't know if any pygame apps are using pixel doubling17:33
pupnikbut fceu is as fast or faster than infones (my build)17:34
pupnikso i'd say a gp2x SNES would be soo much worthwhiler17:34
gla55_probably,  but i don't have that much time so i'd rather go with something i know should port without major problems17:35
gla55_i could never get smsplus to run on symbian for example :\17:36
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pupnikok :)17:37
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sciboyWell since no one seems interested in trying to get blender working, I would like to be able to do some sprite based games in pygame.17:38
Takthere's also rubygame ;-)17:38
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sciboyI already use Blenders game engine, so I'm sticking with Python.17:38
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* Tak shrugs17:39
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corevettei'm trying to flash my nokia 77017:40
corevetteroot@corevette-desktop:/home/corevette/Desktop# ./flasher-2.017:40
corevettebash: ./flasher-2.0: Permission denied17:40
corevettewhy doesn't it work17:40
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Dasajevchmod +x flasher-2.0 and try again17:40
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corevette# 770: Now plug in the charger to switch on the 770 or switch it on using the power button WHILE holding the Home-button17:45
corevette# PC: Watch the messages as the image loads to the 770 after which it reboots automatically -- you're done now!17:45
corevettethats not working for me17:45
corevettethe nokia logo is just sitting there17:46
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niteOwl2corevette: did you give it all the command line args it wants?17:47
niteOwl2ex: name of image to flahs17:47
corevette./flasher-2.0 -F SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2007.45-1_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R17:48
corevetteshould i use flasher 3.0?17:48
mgedmincorevette: is there a small usb icon in the corner above the nokia logo?17:48
mgedminthen you just need to run the flasher17:48
mgedminwhat does the flasher say?17:48
mgedminyou may need to run it as root17:48
corevetteSuitable USB device not found, waiting17:48
corevettei am17:48
linuxkrnwhere can I find libbz2 for os2008?17:48
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Takyou need to use flasher-3.0 with 2007HE, I believe.17:52
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zoranis down?18:01
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linuxkrnzoran: I can't access it either, but it's usually slow as crap for me18:06
zoranpretty fast usualy for me; now has gone18:06
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zoranah, comes to life!18:08
guardianis it possible to have bora-armel, bora-i386, chinook-armel and chinook-i386 targets installed at the same time inside the same scratchbox installation and the same user ???18:10
_Monkeyxkbd is an alternative keyboard that lets you set up my own layout
Takpupnik: give uss the fisshesss!18:12
sp3000 looks emptier than usual18:12
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Takyay spontaneous reboot!18:27
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Takat least it comes back up now18:28
sciboyWhere do you get becomeroot for OS2008?18:29
* Tak nearly 2 weeks since last infinite reboot loop18:29
* pupnik puts the carton of pizza on the table18:30
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_Monkeybecomeroot is a quick howto to become root here  and more information is here
* Tak eats the table18:30
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johnnynokiaahh i have link on my 810 but not pc18:31
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johnnynokiai couldn't find it at first for 2008 either18:31
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truentanyone know where to get ruby-dbus for n800?18:31
mbufMaemo 4.0 is for N810, or can it be used for N800?18:31
flip^there's a developer release for n800 i think... official release should be in a few weeks18:32
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Takhmm - if I make a >64M swapfile, will 2007HE use it?18:34
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pupniki think so18:37
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* Tak will try next time it reboots18:38
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sciboyNow I need rsync, trying to get plython working.18:38
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Takthat sounds like the name for an evil hybrid of perl, ruby, and python18:40
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sciboyIt's a eclipse plugin for pymaemo.18:40
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sciboySo, more a evil hybrid of python and java.18:40
Takterrible naming18:40
TakI'm surprised they didn't go with pyclipse18:41
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pupnikI want underwear that says 'Caution: Pressurized Area'18:46
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pupnik  starflight seems to run OK on dosbox18:47
halleypupnik, instead of your 'Danger: Gas Storage Area' pair?18:48
pupnikheh... "Standard Airlock Procedures Apply"
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sciboyHow the hell can an application like eclipse be using up so much resources.18:55
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halleyThrough the magic of Java.18:58
mgedminplus overengineering18:58
halleyI said that.18:58
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TakIME it's the code completion db that eats the universe18:59
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halleyI would expect it's the JIT, actually.18:59
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pupnikScott Horton Show on now: Call-in number 512 646-6446.  stream  92.7 or 95.9 in Austin Texas19:05
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jeff1fwho is scott horton?19:08
* sciboy kills th e eclipsee process.19:10
sciboyThere's no way in  heck it'ss usppose to be abssolutely creaming a quad-core withh 4giig of ram.19:10
pupnikjeff1f: he's a dude in texas \o/ \o19:11
shackansciboy: you for such a machine, and can't afford a decent keyboard? :D19:12
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infobotshackan meant: sciboy: you have such a machine, and can't afford a decent keyboard? :D19:12
guardianis it possible to have bora-armel, bora-i386, chinook-armel and chinook-i386 targets installed at the same time inside the same scratchbox installation and the same user ???19:13
guardiani renamed the targets in the scripts but now i can't launch my bora targets anymore :(19:13
guardianfor instance the menu are broken: like displaying tana_fi_settings19:14
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geoffegSo I'm a bit confused.. The OS2008 map application.. it seems to be based on navicore, is that correct?19:15
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pupnikhaha awesome Primus song19:19
scin800I can't type onmy computer right now.19:19
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scin800It's being completely slaughtered.19:19
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scin800Time for a hard reset?19:20
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scin800FYI. A cheap quad core is easy to justify when you spend most of your time animating.19:21
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sciboyOkay, turned out to be some memory allocation issue causing a leak.19:29
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guardiannobody knows about my multiple sdk inside the same scratchbox question ? :(19:32
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mgedminguardian: yes, it is19:36
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guardianyes it is possible ?19:36
mgedmininz had a howto about this on his blog19:36
guardiangonna try to find it out19:36
guardiancause i had bora targets working19:36
mgedminI've bookmarked it somewhere on my
guardianthen i upgraded my scratchbox, it was still working19:36
guardianthen i installed chinook (editing the install script to give targets proper names)19:37
guardianand now my bora targets are fucked up :(19:37
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guardianmgedmin: thx for the link anyway :)19:45
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timelyxczr: the xref bit can be fixed when i'm sure enough of "maemo" is available to rebuild the index19:49
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timelyxczr: ok. other than README19:54
timelyxwhich is um, a pain19:54
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timelyxsince it's stuck behind haf/maemo-branches/ which isn't done19:55
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pumpkin-my sshd isn't working on my n800 anymore :(20:09
pumpkin-and when I run netstat, I'm getting a whole bunch of bogus unix lines, it says20:10
pumpkin-not sure if the two are related20:10
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mgedminwhat if you run netstat -tl?20:10
pumpkin-claims to be listening on ssh port20:11
pumpkin-but I'm getting a variety of errorsr when trying to connect to it20:11
pumpkin-sometimes it says connection refused, others it times out20:11
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pumpkin-any ideas?20:13
pumpkin-I'll try removing and reinstalling the ssh package20:14
mgedminwifi power savings? flaky ap?20:14
pumpkin-nah, everything else works just fine :-/20:14
mgedmincan you ssh to localhost?20:14
pumpkin-hmm yup20:15
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pumpkin-does it normally respond to ping?20:17
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qnrjust out of curiousity, can you access the machine remotely, via an internet connection, instead of via your local network?20:17
qnrs/curiousity/curiosity/  ... <--- kinda drunk today20:18
pumpkin-whoa, yup20:18
pumpkin-I sshed into my slice and it works fine there20:19
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pumpkin-what do you think is up?20:19
pumpkin-is it blocking my ip? :P20:19
qnrI'm having the same problem, haven't tried to figure it out yet, too much other stuff I'm working on at the moment :/20:19
pumpkin-weird, it even works from other machines in the local network20:19
qnrthough mine is with dropbear, not ssh20:20
pumpkin-I guess I'll just grab myself another ip address20:20
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qnractually, I'm not trying to figure out anything today heheh... I have a serious "I'm half a century old today" drunk going on20:21
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pumpkin-_there we go20:23
pumpkin-_***K you mr n80020:23
pumpkin-_I fooled you, didn't I20:23
pumpkin-_btw, congrats qnr :)20:23
qnrthanks pumpkin-_ :)20:23
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timelyxblassey: maemo index is stuck waiting for mameo-branches to svn cleanup a couple of times20:34
* timelyx *hates* svn20:34
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timelyxactually, it's also waiting for haf/packaging which seems to be off in the weeds20:36
timelyxhrm, no, that's not blocking20:36
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* timelyx missed an entire directory for the checkout21:23
timelyxwhen those two match, i'll be finally able to get...21:24
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proctoanyone ported mplayer to os2800 yet?22:15
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pupnikin 792 years maybe22:17
proctowhy? it was ported from os2006 to os2007 pretty quickly22:18
proctowas it not?22:18
pupniksorry - don't know - bad joke22:18
halleyIs there a way to tell busybox not to greet ssh logins with a message?  Just straight to prompt?  It's not /etc/motd but it's like that.22:20
Taknot /that/ bad22:20
* Tak makes /etc/motd a 1G text file instead22:20
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pupnikdun dun dun duunt, dunt dunt, dunt dunt (can't touch dis)22:22
solmumahapupnik: stop!22:24
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solmumahano hammertime?22:26
TakHAMMERTIME HAS BEEN CANCELED. Go about your business.22:27
solmumahai guess there's no way i can run 4.0 sdk under amd64?22:28
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halleyHm, what repo for chinook rsync?22:30
* pupnik ponders22:31
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czrhalley, chinook is not provided via rsync22:39
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halleyczr, rearrange your sentence; rsync is not provided for chinook22:41
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halleyI found it in the "Testing Maemo Extras"22:41
czrhalley, where?22:41
mmillerIs there a way to stop a N800 from joining a network in it's list of known networks?22:41
halleySure, have a nicer network found first. :) Or go to offline mode.22:42
czrhalley, link?22:42
halleyClick OS2008, then find "Testing Maemo Extras" near bottom.22:44
halleyrsync works well.22:44
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czrhalley, hmm. what do you use for rsync command line?22:45
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halleyI just used (rsync -ave ssh shost:path dhost:path)22:46
czrdoesn't that required you to have an account on shost?22:46
czrrequire even22:46
halleyYes, that's the point.22:47
halleyYou can omit shost: or dhost: if it's localhost.22:47
* czr sighs22:47
czrI thought you meant you're using rsync _with_ repositories.maemo.org22:47
czrnot just rsync22:47
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halleyNo.22:48 even22:48
halley<halley> Hm, what repo for chinook rsync?22:48
czrah. I get it now :-)22:48
czryou were looking for the rsync program for 4.0 :-)22:48
* czr "duhs"22:49
czrsome people use rsync to mirror deb repositories. I thought you wanted to do that.22:49
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czrwhich explains my initial reply: "<czr> halley, chinook is not provided via rsync"22:49
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_Monkeyque tal, bballantine22:50
bballantineI have  question about my 77022:51
bballantineI just flashed it w/ the Hacker edition of the 2007 OS22:51
bballantineand now my LCD is streaky and unusable22:51
bballantineany ideas?22:51
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bballantineMy thought is it's just a coincidental hardware failure, but I was wondering if anyone had seen this before.22:52
angelrHi brballantine, a friend of mine has the same prob on his 770.22:53
bballantineangelr, does your friend know what happened?22:53
angelrNo idea... Im interested in seeing if anyone here has a solution22:54
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mikanozabballantine, I have the same problem...22:54
Takdid it happen to all of you with a 2007HE flash?22:54
angelrI reflashed and it didnt help either22:55
pupniktry pulling battery for a while22:55
pupnikit's a hardware-related issue22:56
bballantinehmm, ok, I'll try that.22:56
angelrAt this point ill give it a try... Whats the science for this? To drain any caps and reset some settings?22:56
bballantinehow long would you suggest keeping the battery out?  a few hours or an entire day?22:57
pupniki saw it 2-3 times (coincidentally when using 2007he) and haven't seen it since22:57
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pupniki pulled battery out 2 minutes and then rebooted22:57
pupnikand it was gone22:57
bballantinethanks, I'll give it a try22:57
pupnikmost people report no recovery though22:57
mikanozaAngel, is your last name Roman?22:57
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angelrYep, whats ur last name?22:58
mikanozaI am Mike Anoza22:58
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angelrSorry mike, i dont know you22:59
bballantineI've had it for a while so it's probably too late to send it back if I can't recover it...22:59
angelrPupnik thank you for the help, ill give it a go.22:59
bballantineYeah, thanks guys.23:00
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vandenoeverhi guys, i'm looking to buying an n8[01]023:08
vandenoeveri'd love to port my search app to it23:08
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vandenoeverwill there be an opportunity for developers to get a rebate on the n810?23:10
vandenoeverthe keyboard would be great, but the 190 euro price difference is rather high23:10
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lardmanvandenoever: the developer discounts have already been allocated23:10
bballantineanger & pupnik, I just put the battery back in (after having it out for about 5mins) and the problem persists.  Imma take it out and leave it out for a while, but I'm not optimistic.  Thanks anyway.23:10
vandenoeverhi guys, i'm looking to buying an n8[01]023:10
vandenoeveri'd love to port my search app to it23:10
vandenoeverwill there be an opportunity for developers to get a rebate on the n810?23:10
vandenoeverthe keyboard would be great, but the 190 euro price difference is rather high23:10
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lardmanvandenoever: are you a bot?23:11
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angelrVandenoever the keyboard is great. I can now use shortcuts in my applications and the terminal. It makes sshing into machines bareable. As a matter of fact im on this chatroom on the N810. I love it.23:13
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angelrOopps bearable .. Maybe the keyboard isnt the best ;)23:14
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pupnikThu Nov 29 21:14:29 UTC 200723:16
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lardmanpupnik: thanks, I was wondering where I'd put my watch...:)23:18
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* qnr just sticks to his N800 & BT iPAQ keyboard he found in a clearance bin for $6 US23:26
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halleyI found a RadioShack that was dumping $100 Motorola BT stereo hubs for $20 each.23:31
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jeff1fhalley:in store or online?23:57
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halleyIt was in a store in the mall, I think the manager hated product that nobody understood.23:59

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