| MonkeyLover | why does it say up to? | 00:00 |
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| MonkeyLover | depends how much you delete? | 00:00 |
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| Palintheus | I guess, yeah, or nokia just wanted to be wordy with it | 00:00 |
| Juhaz | probably just making sure nobody expects to get 2GB free _and_ the full map data at the same time | 00:01 |
| halley | If you delete the map data, you can't use it. | 00:01 |
| MonkeyLover | I have no intention of using the map data, thats what maemomapper is for | 00:01 |
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| MonkeyLover | wonder if maemomapper could somehow use those maps? | 00:02 |
| halley | Seems half the space is .ogg files of many voice options for the paid navigation service. | 00:03 |
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| halley | The actual data is broken into regions too, so I could delete Canada. | 00:03 |
| MonkeyLover | Will there be a way to replace these maps once deleted? | 00:03 |
| halley | It's just files; I backed it up. | 00:04 |
| MonkeyLover | Well I figured I could back it up, but I am wondering if nokia provides a way to recover them? | 00:04 |
| acydlord | you can download the files via the onboard mapping program | 00:04 |
| halley | It doesn't come with a CD or anything, if that's what you mean. | 00:05 |
| MonkeyLover | ok, that makes sense | 00:05 |
| halley | acydlord, haven't seen that feature. | 00:05 |
| acydlord | it has that feature in os2008 on the n800 | 00:05 |
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| acydlord | click the toolbar, and then click maps | 00:06 |
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| acydlord | it should show which are on the device on one tab, and available maps on another | 00:06 |
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| Juhaz | does it allow you to select what gps it uses? | 00:08 |
| acydlord | not sure | 00:09 |
| kaltsi | it does | 00:09 |
| kaltsi | you can use an external BT gps too | 00:09 |
| Juhaz | so bt with it is possible even on n810? | 00:09 |
| Juhaz | good | 00:09 |
| kaltsi | I've used it | 00:09 |
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| TheFool2 | are there any mpd clients on maemo? | 00:14 |
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| TheFool2 | if not is ncurses working? I might try to port ncmpc | 00:14 |
| halley | 2GB SDmini is $15. CompUSA is such a ripoff... they still have their shelf price at $60. | 00:18 |
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| kaltsi | TheFool2: I don't know what mpd or ncmpc are but the SDK does have ncurses | 00:20 |
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| TheFool2 | mpd is music player daemon ncmpc is a ncurses based client to access it | 00:21 |
| TheFool2 | mpd allows you to user a remote device/computer to control audio on another computer | 00:21 |
| TheFool2 | so basically I could have my n770 change the song that my server is playing | 00:22 |
| kaltsi | right | 00:22 |
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| TheFool2 | I mean come on it's another way to stay on my butt longer :) | 00:26 |
| kulve | upnp | 00:26 |
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| TheFool2 | that works the other way around | 00:27 |
| kulve | how come..? | 00:27 |
| TheFool2 | upnp allows my computer to host files that the n770 (in my case) plays | 00:27 |
| TheFool2 | mpd hosts a list of files and allows the n770 to access this and change what my computer itself is playing | 00:28 |
| kulve | you could have the controller on your 770, and the renderer plays the selected files from the server (three components) | 00:28 |
| kulve | but I think there are no (good) controllers for tablets (yet) | 00:28 |
| TheFool2 | then my 770 would have to have all the music on it... | 00:28 |
| kulve | nope, the server, the renderer and the controller can be one or two or three computers.. | 00:28 |
| acydlord | i used to use my n800 as a remote for winamp when i was using a windows computer for my media center/server | 00:29 |
| TheFool2 | really...didn't realize that | 00:29 |
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| TheFool2 | acydlord: interesting, how did that work? | 00:30 |
| acydlord | winamp plugin that has a micro web server to host controls and music list over the lan | 00:30 |
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| TheFool2 | hmm thats pretty cool | 00:30 |
| acydlord | there was a similar plugin of xmms back in the day | 00:30 |
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| zerojay | kulve: You made one of the screenshot utilities for IT2008, right? | 00:39 |
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| kulve | zerojay: right | 00:41 |
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| kulve | zerojay: http://downloads.maemo.org/product/OS2008/screen-grabber | 00:42 |
| kulve | and now I'm off | 00:42 |
| zerojay | kulve: There's a bug. | 00:42 |
| zerojay | kulve: Look at the images I attached to this (unrelated) bug and you'll see what the bug is. | 00:43 |
| zerojay | kulve: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2421 | 00:43 |
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| pupnik | depressing | 00:59 |
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| pupnik | it's very important to support Ron Paul | 01:03 |
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| halley | Because he's yet another Ross Perot "seems un-Republican" populist Republican crackpot? | 01:07 |
| * halley scurries about, trying to hide. | 01:08 | |
| elb | oh good, blind bigoted partisanship | 01:08 |
| elb | I don't know why he even calls himself a Republican, really, he's nothing like the modern Republican party | 01:08 |
| halley | Nah, old fashioned trolling; I hate the parties at all. | 01:08 |
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| halley | I see no value in the parties; whether Whig or Unionist; if it's not in our Constitution, it's nothing more than a tea circle or hobby. | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Paul seems to been running republican to try and get at least a small chance at getting elected. | 01:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | You KNOW nobody would ever even look at somebody running Libertarian | 01:12 |
| elb | agreed, re: the Constitution and the worthlessness of parties | 01:12 |
| oever | problem is 2 party system, you have to pretend to belong to one of the camps | 01:12 |
| halley | oever, the two parties have locked out any meaningful third option, agreed, but even a third party is part of the problem. | 01:13 |
| oever | halley: if the # of viable parties is 2, there is almost no democracy, only a pendulum | 01:14 |
| elb | there's not even a pendulum | 01:14 |
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| elb | because the two parties are so similar as to be nearly identical | 01:14 |
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| elb | they do, however, fool a lot of gullible people into believing strongly that one has the answers and the other does not | 01:14 |
| vandenoever | face it, US ceased to be a democracy and both parties know it and act like it | 01:15 |
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| elb | the US has not ceased to be a democracy, and is in fact far from it | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | US ceased being a democracy after the Whiskey Rebellion. ;) | 01:16 |
| elb | however, if enough people adopt that attitude, it will | 01:16 |
| vandenoever | elb: US is far from a democracy? | 01:17 |
| vandenoever | or far from ceasing to be one? | 01:17 |
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| elb | far from ceasing | 01:17 |
| elb | anyway, I doubt the proprietors of #maemo think this has anything to do with IT development ;-) | 01:18 |
| vandenoever | elb: true, and 2 is better than 1 | 01:18 |
| vandenoever | nevertheless, 10 is better than 2 | 01:19 |
| elb | agreed | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | I doubt very much that they care. | 01:19 |
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| elb | we would make a lot more progress, however, if people could learn to vote for the candidate, not the party | 01:19 |
| vandenoever | a congressman is machine that has to turn the current popular opinion into votes | 01:19 |
| elb | the parties would find that they were losing en bloc power | 01:19 |
| vandenoever | modelling him as such would yield nice population dynamics | 01:20 |
| pupnik | this time | 01:21 |
| pupnik | there is a real choice | 01:21 |
| pupnik | this time | 01:21 |
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| pupnik | there is a very very bad trend | 01:21 |
| pupnik | this time, it is time to get involved | 01:22 |
| pupnik | it is really george orwell time | 01:22 |
| vandenoever | pupnik: that's always the case | 01:22 |
| pupnik | no this time, this is the time | 01:22 |
| vandenoever | pupnik: technology will advance anyway | 01:22 |
| elb | it's always time to get involved | 01:22 |
| vandenoever | and monitoring tools will always become cheaper | 01:22 |
| pupnik | ok ok ok | 01:23 |
| pupnik | simple economics | 01:23 |
| pupnik | if the us dollar tanks, the whole world economic system has problems | 01:23 |
| pupnik | the us dollar is being destroyed by their waste with the wars | 01:23 |
| pupnik | this will really mess up european (german etc) exports | 01:23 |
| pupnik | big problems | 01:23 |
| elb | among other things | 01:24 |
| elb | fixing the wartime deficit won't magically firm up the housing market | 01:24 |
| pupnik | right | 01:24 |
| elb | but, I agree that we're running a deficit which is not sustainable | 01:24 |
| pupnik | world economic stability is important | 01:24 |
| pupnik | for us to have fun | 01:24 |
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| pupnik | oppose governments stealing our money for stupid things | 01:25 |
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| pupnik | then we can have tablets and air cars and good stuff | 01:26 |
| vandenoever | hence, you will be monitored more | 01:26 |
| vandenoever | regardless of politics | 01:26 |
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| elb | if I were to vote in the Republican primaries, I'd vote for Ron Paul | 01:26 |
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| elb | (I don't know that I will) | 01:26 |
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| crevetor | hi | 01:26 |
| _Monkey | bonjour, crevetor | 01:26 |
| pupnik | pls do | 01:26 |
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| pupnik | he wants to leave the internet free | 01:26 |
| crevetor | do any of you know how I could flash my n810 under mac os x | 01:27 |
| vandenoever | [00:22] <vandenoever> and monitoring tools will always become cheaper | 01:27 |
| vandenoever | [00:23] <vandenoever> hence, you will be monitored more | 01:27 |
| vandenoever | [00:23] <vandenoever> regardless of politics | 01:27 |
| vandenoever | [00:24] <vandenoever> if the average programmer was not so incompetent, you'd be logged to the square meter every second already | 01:27 |
| vandenoever | [00:25] <vandenoever> and your only hope of avoiding others reading your brain, is to die soon | 01:27 |
| pupnik | hehe | 01:27 |
| pupnik | it is ok to be public with your thoughts! | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | crevetor, aflegg's 770Flasher. | 01:27 |
| halley | crevetor, google "flasher-2.0.macosx" | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or that. | 01:28 |
| pupnik | courage! freedom | 01:28 |
| pupnik | speak | 01:28 |
| |R | I2P for the people! ;) | 01:28 |
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| vandenoever | i2p? | 01:29 |
| _Monkey | i2p is, like, like TOR on drugs | 01:29 |
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| |R | good monkey :) | 01:29 |
| vandenoever | _Monkey: extra easy for intelligence agencies? | 01:29 |
| _Monkey | vandenoever: bugger all, i dunno | 01:29 |
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| pupnik | listen to this: http://pupnik.de/The_Herbaliser-Something_Wicked_This_Way_Comes-09-Worldwide_Connected.mp3 | 01:34 |
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| pupnik | listen to this: http://pupnik.de/The_Herbaliser-Something_Wicked_This_Way_Comes-09-Worldwide_Connected.mp3 | 01:35 |
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| |R | anyone uses an SPA2102 with their asterisk? | 01:35 |
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| crevetor | halley, GeneralAntilles : are those compatible with mac os x on intel platform and with the n810 ? | 01:41 |
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| halley | I had no problem with the flasher to get rd mode (and root); there's not enough of an update to bother with actually flashing the device. | 01:42 |
| crevetor | halley: are you talking about the latest n810 update ? | 01:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Use the 770Flasher | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | -19 is just a kernel change | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | so if you can get flasher-2.0 running in emulation mode, just extract the kernel and flash that. | 01:45 |
| crevetor | ok | 01:46 |
| crevetor | i'll just try and flash the whole thing (i'm still a newby with my n810) | 01:46 |
| crevetor | and nokia internet tablets for that matter | 01:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Try to do just the kernel if yo ucan | 01:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | it'll save you reinstalling applications. | 01:48 |
| halley | GeneralAntilles, have you used a Mac? | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | All my life. ;) | 01:49 |
| halley | Just wondered why you said "emulation mode." | 01:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Rosetta | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | since flashe-2.0 isn't Universal. | 01:53 |
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| milhouse | i see there is a petition to kill _monkey?!!! | 02:03 |
| |R | Safe the monkeys! :P | 02:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | DIEDIEDIE | 02:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sorry, sorry. | 02:03 |
| |R | Save oops | 02:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just give him a trigger. | 02:03 |
| milhouse | you bad people! :) | 02:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Randomly interjecting himself into the conversation with irrelevant information is not appreciated. | 02:04 |
| milhouse | he's only answering with what he's been taught :) | 02:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | He should only answer when somebody asks him to. | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Say, | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | _Monkey, browser? | 02:05 |
| _Monkey | browser is open sources | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | and ignore, | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | browser? | 02:05 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it browser is open sources | 02:05 |
| milhouse | i know - someone taught him nonsense | 02:05 |
| milhouse | :) | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, when he picks up anything containing is and are, that's to be expected. | 02:06 |
| milhouse | i know - can't seem to stop him from doing that unfortunately | 02:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | But seriously, add a trigger. | 02:06 |
| milhouse | ok let me check | 02:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | It wouldn't matter if you just added a trigger. | 02:06 |
| milhouse | if he needs a trigger i doubt he'll respond when people ask simple questions | 02:07 |
| milhouse | as they won't know to ask him - double edged sword really | 02:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tough crackers. | 02:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | The good answer to irrelevant/irrating answer ratio is shifting wildly towards the latter. | 02:08 |
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| milhouse | bye _monkey - love you long time | 02:09 |
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| halley | Is Milhouse your real name? | 02:14 |
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| milhouse | no | 02:15 |
| milhouse | (middle name of an ex dead president in case you're wondering) | 02:15 |
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| halley | Yeah, was wondering if I should think of Richard Nixon, Richard Stallman or the Simpsons pal. | 02:15 |
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| halley | Though I'm quite alarmed to know that we have a zombie (ex-dead) president. | 02:16 |
| milhouse | you've had plenty of zombie presidents :) | 02:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Since Opera is out of the picture, and this works fine under OS2008 with MicroB, should I go ahead and resolve as fixed? | 02:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2077 | 02:19 |
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| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: I'll handle it. | 02:35 |
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| zerojay | Monkey is dead. Happy days are here again! | 02:39 |
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| penguinbait | MONKEY!!! | 02:43 |
| penguinbait | :( | 02:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gotta love Fanoush for fixing the brightness issue. | 02:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just wish it were persistent across reboots without me having to fuddle around with scripts. | 02:43 |
| milhouse | No more _monkey, I'm about to bury him under the patio | 02:43 |
| penguinbait | RIP! My furry friend | 02:44 |
| penguinbait | people wine too much | 02:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dance party on milhouse's patio! :P | 02:44 |
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| milhouse | he was led astray... ;) | 02:44 |
| penguinbait | Monkey was smarter than some people who come here :) | 02:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn alcoholics . . . | 02:45 |
| milhouse | now of that there is no doubt! | 02:45 |
| zerojay | I don't understand the point of a torrent client on the tablet. | 02:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | You wonder how those sorts manage to find their way on here. | 02:45 |
| penguinbait | its to download stuff | 02:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is there even a web client for #maemo? | 02:45 |
| penguinbait | :) | 02:45 |
| zerojay | I guess people like the idea of killing their SD cards REALLY FUCKING FAST. | 02:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seriously, zerojay, the better question is: why not? | 02:45 |
| zerojay | See above. | 02:46 |
| penguinbait | thats what lifetime warrantys are good for | 02:46 |
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| penguinbait | even the 5 year sandisk | 02:46 |
| zerojay | Sure, if you like losing your data every other month or so. | 02:46 |
| milhouse | running a torrent client on a tablet can't be good for the battery either | 02:46 |
| penguinbait | hell,I had my 770, for 1 year, my n800 for one year | 02:46 |
| milhouse | might be useful to have it kick in only when on AC I suppose | 02:46 |
| penguinbait | never had a card problem, run swap off em | 02:46 |
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| zerojay | Torrent's a lot more stressful on I/O than swap is, though. | 02:47 |
| penguinbait | only lost data I ever had was from that darn kernel bug | 02:47 |
| penguinbait | I never liked torrent anyway | 02:47 |
| penguinbait | edonkey was great | 02:47 |
| zerojay | The one and only time I ever lost data on the cards was when I stupidly removed the USB cable before a transfer was complete. | 02:48 |
| zerojay | Just because I was in a rush and wasn't thinking. | 02:48 |
| penguinbait | ever fdisk the wrong drive | 02:49 |
| penguinbait | ouch | 02:49 |
| penguinbait | that hurts | 02:49 |
| zerojay | No, thankfully never did anything major like that. | 02:49 |
| ds3 | could be worse, swapping on a SD card ;) | 02:49 |
| penguinbait | sda sdb something like that : | 02:49 |
| penguinbait | :) | 02:49 |
| penguinbait | I run 128MB swap partition on mine without incident | 02:50 |
| zerojay | Closest thing I ever did to that was when I was installing a new distro on my home PC and wanted to keep /etc and just kind of forgot midway through installation. | 02:50 |
| zerojay | Maybe 5 years ago. | 02:50 |
| penguinbait | Worst thing I ever witnessed, was a windows admin, upgrading san drivers on 1TB windows share,spanning 30+ disks | 02:52 |
| penguinbait | he lost the whole thing | 02:52 |
| penguinbait | oh, uh, and his job | 02:53 |
| penguinbait | maroon! | 02:53 |
| zerojay | Some of my Windows-using friends don't understand why I don't sit on my PC as root all day long... until one of them was absentmindedly using his computer while on the phone... winamp blasting away... and he ended up deleting his 20GB of mp3s accidentally. | 02:53 |
| zerojay | Didn't realize it until winamp just stopped playing. | 02:53 |
| zerojay | I think it was back in the days of Win98. | 02:54 |
| penguinbait | is it mid december yet? | 02:54 |
| penguinbait | I am chomping at the bit | 02:54 |
| penguinbait | stupid coupon :) | 02:55 |
| zerojay | I was an admin at a library's computer center about 10 years ago and I was bringing in an external CD-R drive to work so I could back up my stuff. I had specifically told this kid not to touch my PC... I come in that morning and he has this big "I've got a surprise for you!" smile on his face. | 02:55 |
| zerojay | He installed NT4 on my PC with no backups taken. | 02:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 02:56 |
| zerojay | I lost about 9 months worth of work. | 02:56 |
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| milhouse | why - cos you did a 9 month stretch for assault? :) | 02:56 |
| zerojay | Not a good idea to be nearly strangling a kid when you work across the street from a police station, by the way. | 02:56 |
| penguinbait | do you visit his grave? | 02:56 |
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| zerojay | When did Google Maps add this Terrain button? | 02:59 |
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| crevetor | hi again | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Must've been pretty recent. | 03:00 |
| crevetor | thank you guys, the upgrade went smoothly | 03:00 |
| zerojay | I don't remember seeing it before, but I don't really use it very much anyways. | 03:00 |
| crevetor | I am now trying o install ukmp which seems to be the killer media player for N810 | 03:00 |
| * |R wants monkey back :P | 03:00 | |
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| crevetor | but it tells me it can't install libbz2 | 03:00 |
| crevetor | in which repository can i find it ? | 03:00 |
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| zerojay | Dpm | 03:03 |
| zerojay | er | 03:03 |
| zerojay | Damn keyboard. | 03:03 |
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| zerojay | At my company, if there's a happy hour organized after work, do not ever get so wasted that you can't come in the next day. | 03:04 |
| zerojay | You give carte blanche to anyone to prank you for it. | 03:05 |
| zerojay | http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2076045109&size=l | 03:05 |
| zerojay | Like so. | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 03:05 |
| zerojay | I like the little fake sim card, but what really makes it is the RAZR. It looks so perfect because they actually folded it a bit. | 03:06 |
| zerojay | And the actual items have been hidden around the office. | 03:06 |
| jeff1f | That's good | 03:07 |
| zerojay | I can't wait to see what he says on Monday. :) | 03:07 |
| zerojay | Plugging in a second mouse into someone's computer is also good. | 03:07 |
| zerojay | Or using the labelmaker to print out a n00b label and putting it on the underside of the mouse, covering the optical hole. | 03:08 |
| zerojay | The last time I did that one, the guy spent 20 minutes checking all his USB connections before flipping over the mouse and being called n00b. | 03:08 |
| zerojay | Insult to injury. | 03:08 |
| crevetor | :) | 03:09 |
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| zerojay | So... does anyone here do any synchro of bookmarks between their PCs? Any particular service you use for it? | 03:28 |
| derf | cp? | 03:28 |
| zerojay | I mean something a little more advanced than cp. :) | 03:29 |
| derf | "It's not stupid... it's advanced!" | 03:29 |
| zerojay | ...mmmkay. | 03:29 |
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| derf | Obviously not an Invader Zim fan. | 03:31 |
| zerojay | Sorry. | 03:31 |
| shackan | a del.icio.us browser extension would certainly help | 03:33 |
| zerojay | There's no need. | 03:33 |
| zerojay | I already have a greasemonkey extension for it. | 03:34 |
| shackan | in maemo? | 03:34 |
| zerojay | But I generally don't see that as bookmark synchro so... | 03:34 |
| zerojay | Yes. | 03:34 |
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| zerojay | It's called dejalicious++ | 03:35 |
| zerojay | Works perfectly on Microb. | 03:35 |
| edt | anyone have unzip of chinook | 03:38 |
| edt | s/of/on/ | 03:39 |
| infobot | edt meant: anyone have unzip on chinook | 03:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Just pull it from a bora repo, edt. | 03:54 |
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| penguinbait | So did Milhouse meet a girl? Its about time he stopped playing with his monkey :) | 04:03 |
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| Ar-ras | hi | 04:14 |
| penguinbait | howdy | 04:15 |
| Ar-ras | I want to edit a systemfile | 04:15 |
| penguinbait | and | 04:15 |
| Ar-ras | but when i want to save it, it says that it is protected | 04:15 |
| Ar-ras | metalayer-crawler0 | 04:15 |
| penguinbait | are you root | 04:15 |
| Ar-ras | mmh | 04:15 |
| penguinbait | whoami | 04:15 |
| penguinbait | do you have becomeroot installed? | 04:16 |
| Ar-ras | i think so | 04:17 |
| penguinbait | type sudo gainroot | 04:17 |
| Ar-ras | whoami = user | 04:17 |
| penguinbait | sudo gainroot | 04:17 |
| Ar-ras | done | 04:17 |
| edt | unzip from bora does not install - its miss two libs | 04:18 |
| penguinbait | so whoami now show root | 04:18 |
| Ar-ras | jupp | 04:18 |
| penguinbait | so you can save the file now? | 04:19 |
| Ar-ras | :S | 04:21 |
| Ar-ras | i deleted it with root access | 04:21 |
| Ar-ras | and when i want to save it as user | 04:22 |
| Ar-ras | it says write protected | 04:22 |
| penguinbait | no no no | 04:22 |
| penguinbait | you must edit it as root | 04:22 |
| Ar-ras | what is the name of the editor? | 04:22 |
| penguinbait | ok so you have a copy of the file | 04:22 |
| penguinbait | vi | 04:22 |
| Ar-ras | :S | 04:22 |
| Ar-ras | vi is without gui or not? | 04:22 |
| * halley chuckles. | 04:23 | |
| Ar-ras | COOL | 04:23 |
| penguinbait | no gui, runs in teerminal, but its not easy to use if you are unfamiliar | 04:23 |
| Ar-ras | copy paste | 04:23 |
| Ar-ras | works fine | 04:23 |
| Ar-ras | huh | 04:23 |
| Ar-ras | how can I save? | 04:23 |
| penguinbait | :wq | 04:24 |
| penguinbait | colon w q | 04:24 |
| joshin | Nifty, the mplayer build I made for Angstrom works on the current 770 hacker edition (though is in no way optimized for the 770) | 04:24 |
| penguinbait | I just used mplayer on my n800 to play a DVD | 04:24 |
| penguinbait | :) | 04:24 |
| penguinbait | about 1fps | 04:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 04:25 |
| penguinbait | audio was good though | 04:25 |
| joshin | penguinbait: So would be around .5fps on the 770 | 04:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | With your USB CD-ROM drivers? | 04:25 |
| penguinbait | yes | 04:25 |
| Ar-ras | but must say that xvid is player very well under OS2008 | 04:25 |
| penguinbait | GA yes cdrom and dvd are working | 04:25 |
| Ar-ras | man i hate vi | 04:26 |
| penguinbait | iso and udf | 04:26 |
| penguinbait | I love vi | 04:26 |
| Ar-ras | i wrote :wq | 04:26 |
| penguinbait | hit escape first | 04:26 |
| penguinbait | then :wq | 04:26 |
| Ar-ras | oh dear :D | 04:26 |
| halley | Er, not with a ":wq" in his file. :P | 04:26 |
| penguinbait | well, I assumed he removed that :) | 04:27 |
| halley | Uh huh. | 04:27 |
| penguinbait | Ar-ras, what are you doing in that file anyway? | 04:27 |
| Ar-ras | set a CRAWLPATH | 04:28 |
| penguinbait | deleting it was probably the right thing to do anyway | 04:28 |
| Ar-ras | so it is no problem? | 04:28 |
| penguinbait | ah, I disable it, it always kills my system running KDE | 04:28 |
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| Ar-ras | so deleting it is ok? | 04:28 |
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| penguinbait | Its ok for me | 04:29 |
| Ar-ras | For what i need the crawler? | 04:29 |
| penguinbait | your system will continue to work, it just indexs media for the media player | 04:29 |
| Ar-ras | is mplayer effected too? | 04:30 |
| penguinbait | no | 04:30 |
| Ar-ras | ok | 04:30 |
| halley | 'affected' | 04:30 |
| penguinbait | only built in mediaplayer | 04:30 |
| Ar-ras | halley thanks | 04:30 |
| penguinbait | hally, effected or affected, I never know which is correct | 04:30 |
| penguinbait | so I just alternate | 04:30 |
| Ar-ras | penguinbait ok than crawler is useless, because media player is crap | 04:31 |
| halley | 'effected' means 'created'. | 04:31 |
| penguinbait | I must get it right occaisionally | 04:31 |
| penguinbait | Correct Ar-ras | 04:31 |
| Ar-ras | How can i "pair" media files with mplayer? | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | effect is a noun, affect is a verb. ;) | 04:31 |
| halley | Either can be either. | 04:32 |
| joshin | Anyone know how much the mplayer gst and nokia770 drivers help performance? Just wondering if it is worth the effort. | 04:32 |
| Ar-ras | I like my N800, everyday i learn new linux stuff from it :D | 04:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | True enough: "effect change" | 04:33 |
| halley | She bought him a bright red scarf, which he took to wearing every afternoon. Her gift effected in him an affectation. | 04:33 |
| Ar-ras | dude i never should use that word :D | 04:33 |
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| penguinbait | me either, I just end up confused :) | 04:34 |
| Ar-ras | penguinbait, did you ported KDE to OS 2008? | 04:35 |
| penguinbait | yes | 04:35 |
| penguinbait | with koffice | 04:35 |
| penguinbait | just finishing up some loose ends | 04:35 |
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| Ar-ras | is the mono port for Maemo still available? | 04:38 |
| penguinbait | dont know, I would assume so | 04:39 |
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| Ar-ras | Windows freezed... | 04:42 |
| penguinbait | (.)(.) | 04:43 |
| penguinbait | my shocked look | 04:43 |
| Ar-ras | penguinbait and i thought that are your tittys | 04:43 |
| Ar-ras | :P | 04:43 |
| penguinbait | ( . ) ( . ) | 04:44 |
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| penguinbait | tittys are much bigger | 04:44 |
| penguinbait | :) | 04:44 |
| Ar-ras | hehehe | 04:44 |
| Ar-ras | penguinbait where you from? | 04:47 |
| penguinbait | michigan, usa | 04:47 |
| penguinbait | u | 04:48 |
| Ar-ras | Leipzig, Saxony, Germany | 04:48 |
| penguinbait | Sometimes I am jealous of all the multilingual people,maybe its time to learn a second language | 04:49 |
| penguinbait | el pollo loco | 04:50 |
| Ar-ras | dude | 04:50 |
| Ar-ras | i am iranian origin | 04:50 |
| Ar-ras | i can 4 languages :D | 04:50 |
| penguinbait | really, I work with a iranian, he speaks like 5 | 04:51 |
| Ar-ras | mmh | 04:51 |
| Ar-ras | but my penis is larger | 04:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wow . . . right then. | 04:51 |
| penguinbait | must be an Iranian thing | 04:51 |
| penguinbait | heh | 04:51 |
| Ar-ras | You saw the movie 300 ? | 04:52 |
| penguinbait | nope | 04:52 |
| Ar-ras | iran is multicultural too | 04:52 |
| penguinbait | so did you leave for school, or work or fun | 04:53 |
| Ar-ras | there are not only persians, there are other peoples too | 04:53 |
| Ar-ras | i am born here | 04:53 |
| penguinbait | in Germany? | 04:53 |
| penguinbait | ah | 04:53 |
| jeff1f | penguinbait, say yes to michigan | 04:53 |
| penguinbait | is jeff1f a fellow michigander? | 04:54 |
| jeff1f | sure am | 04:54 |
| penguinbait | where abouts | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish it weren't in the 70s . . . I was so happy to have my AC off. :( | 04:55 |
| Ar-ras | you both shouldnt whatch on the N800 while walking on the street | 04:55 |
| penguinbait | GA, bite me | 04:55 |
| penguinbait | its like 20 here | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Florida, baby, deal. :P | 04:55 |
| jeff1f | Around grand rapids | 04:55 |
| penguinbait | I am near Flint | 04:55 |
| Ar-ras | then maybe you would meet both on the street :D | 04:56 |
| penguinbait | #3 in the nation for violent death | 04:56 |
| penguinbait | woohoo | 04:56 |
| Ar-ras | ? | 04:56 |
| jeff1f | i don't doubt it! | 04:57 |
| Ar-ras | penguinbait are you in warzone or what? | 04:57 |
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| Ar-ras | huh new FF Version | 04:57 |
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| penguinbait | its not bad at all where I am, but if you go to north flint, dont make a wrong turn | 04:57 |
| Ar-ras | lot of gang-bangers there? | 04:58 |
| [pablo] | penguinbait: you live in flint? | 04:58 |
| [pablo] | my condolences =/ | 04:58 |
| penguinbait | jeff, do you work in IT | 04:58 |
| penguinbait | near flint, same county | 04:58 |
| [pablo] | i'm from MI too | 04:58 |
| penguinbait | where abouts | 04:58 |
| Ar-ras | lol | 04:59 |
| [pablo] | grew up in dearborn, more recently royal oak/oak park north of 10. Moved back to phoenix a little over a year ago though | 04:59 |
| [pablo] | couldn't find any decent tech jobs there heh | 04:59 |
| penguinbait | how is phoenix | 05:00 |
| penguinbait | I vacationed at lake powell for 2 weeks this summer, I am ready to find some work in flagstaff | 05:00 |
| jeff1f | penguinbait, no, just a hobby | 05:01 |
| Ar-ras | Is Chicago in Michigan? | 05:01 |
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| penguinbait | 115 degrees everyday, I loved it | 05:01 |
| [pablo] | penguinbait: i loooove flagstaff | 05:01 |
| [pablo] | phoenix can be a pill sometimes, but it's not that bad | 05:01 |
| penguinbait | no chicago is in ilinois | 05:01 |
| penguinbait | next ro michigan | 05:01 |
| [pablo] | chicago is the major city on *lake* michigan though | 05:01 |
| penguinbait | pablo, have you been to the canyon, and powell | 05:01 |
| [pablo] | never been to the grand canyon, probably been to lake powell at least a few times when I was a kid | 05:02 |
| [pablo] | not that I can remember though | 05:02 |
| [pablo] | we used to go camping/fishing all the time | 05:02 |
| penguinbait | Oh man, the canyons only like an hour north of flagstaff, | 05:03 |
| [pablo] | yeah I know, but it's still just a big hole in the ground ;] | 05:03 |
| penguinbait | I camped on the beach at lake powell for 2 weeks straight, with my boat, cost me 10$ camping a day | 05:03 |
| [pablo] | nice | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha . . . the Canyon is beautiful. | 05:04 |
| Ar-ras | Do you have sidewalks? | 05:04 |
| Ar-ras | I was two times in the USA | 05:04 |
| Ar-ras | in Oklahoma City | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lots of sidewalks in Florida. ;) | 05:04 |
| [pablo] | yes we have sidewalks ... | 05:04 |
| [pablo] | lots of them | 05:04 |
| Ar-ras | and i saw no sidewalks | 05:04 |
| TheFool2 | GeneralAntilles: not where I live... | 05:04 |
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| [pablo] | here sidewalks is nothing more than a strip of concrete about 4-6 feet wide next to a road, easy to miss | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where are you, TheFool2? | 05:05 |
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| TheFool2 | NW of Fort Lauderdale | 05:05 |
| penguinbait | what then canals | 05:06 |
| penguinbait | ? | 05:06 |
| TheFool2 | well actually we have quite a few of those | 05:06 |
| TheFool2 | I live right off of one | 05:06 |
| penguinbait | gators running all over | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | LOT of canal neighborhoods down here. | 05:06 |
| TheFool2 | nah, not for a while | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gators are more of a problem with lakes and such. | 05:06 |
| Ar-ras | what are canal? | 05:07 |
| TheFool2 | according to my father where I live now was everglades in his time though | 05:07 |
| Ar-ras | water canals? | 05:07 |
| Palintheus | Ar-ras: I live near Oklahoma City (Norman Specifically) | 05:07 |
| penguinbait | yes Ar-ras | 05:07 |
| TheFool2 | man made rivers, generally full of trash | 05:07 |
| [pablo] | haha | 05:07 |
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| penguinbait | heh | 05:07 |
| [pablo] | we have a canal here in phoenix too, dirtiest thing i've ever seen except for the rouge | 05:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ar-ras: http://local.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=st+petersburg,+fl&ie=UTF8&ll=27.816836,-82.605257&spn=0.053366,0.061541&t=h&z=14&om=1 | 05:08 |
| Palintheus | I hated it when OKC put a canal in downtown.... | 05:08 |
| penguinbait | I recently went to San Antionio, for an IBM conference, and it was right on a canal downtown | 05:08 |
| penguinbait | it was pretty cool | 05:08 |
| Ar-ras | what is a canal downtown? | 05:09 |
| Ar-ras | GA I live exactly here http://local.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=st+petersburg,+fl&ie=UTF8&ll=27.816836,-82.605257&spn=0.053366,0.061541&t=h&z=14&om=1 | 05:09 |
| Palintheus | a canal in the middle of the city | 05:09 |
| Ar-ras | lol | 05:09 |
| Ar-ras | wrong link? | 05:09 |
| Ar-ras | GA that http://local.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=51.300412,12.398034&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=16&iwloc=addr&om=1 | 05:09 |
| penguinbait | Its basically a man made water canal running through the middle of the city, with bars and resturants and shops | 05:10 |
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| TheFool2 | Las Olas... | 05:10 |
| TheFool2 | nm | 05:10 |
| Ar-ras | ah i understand | 05:10 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 05:10 |
| [pablo] | because nothing gets your appetite going like dirty smelly canal water =D | 05:10 |
| penguinbait | I live here http://penguinbait.com/index.html | 05:10 |
| shackan | lol | 05:11 |
| shackan | I went to San Antonio once! | 05:11 |
| shackan | (which wasn't notable, if I didn't live on the other side of the ocean and came to the us just one time) | 05:11 |
| TheFool2 | penguinbait: wow lol, what is the purpose of that site? | 05:11 |
| penguinbait | did you visit the alamo | 05:11 |
| shackan | I did :D | 05:11 |
| Ar-ras | Leipzig is build on a floodplain | 05:12 |
| penguinbait | It ran off my 770 and updated as I drove down the road | 05:12 |
| TheFool2 | ok thats pretty cool | 05:12 |
| TheFool2 | how exactly did it work? | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Perfect for a hitsquad. :P | 05:12 |
| penguinbait | I used to used a laptop running linux with a webcam :) | 05:12 |
| shackan | penguinbait: you're easing the job for the feds? :D | 05:12 |
| [pablo] | he's just cutting out some of the work for big brother =P | 05:12 |
| penguinbait | hehe, the wife too | 05:12 |
| shackan | what? | 05:13 |
| Ar-ras | wifi | 05:13 |
| TheFool2 | lol...just leave the gps at a friends... | 05:13 |
| penguinbait | dinner was always ready when I got home | 05:13 |
| [pablo] | ouch, the wife is far worse than feds and big brother | 05:13 |
| shackan | ..lol | 05:13 |
| [pablo] | hahaha | 05:13 |
| [pablo] | thats awesome | 05:13 |
| shackan | really | 05:13 |
| penguinbait | Its been 3 years since I set this up | 05:13 |
| [pablo] | i haven't gotten my gps to work once on my n810 | 05:14 |
| penguinbait | I have not updated since I sent my 770 in for repair and never got it back | 05:14 |
| [pablo] | i give up after 10 minutes | 05:14 |
| TheFool2 | so the gps etc is hooked up to a laptop in the car? and then you view this with the 770? | 05:14 |
| Ar-ras | huh? | 05:14 |
| penguinbait | I used external gps on n800 with n810 2008OS | 05:14 |
| penguinbait | it worked fine | 05:14 |
| TheFool2 | penguinbait: I would have totally went on a murderous rampage if that happened | 05:14 |
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| [pablo] | the mapping works fine, i can just never get a gps signal | 05:15 |
| Ar-ras | Is the internal GPS of N810 same unit like in N95 ? | 05:15 |
| jeff1f | I had a ham radio setup like that... findu.com | 05:15 |
| Ar-ras | [pablo] ever looked where the gps module in N810 is? | 05:16 |
| penguinbait | OK, I originally set this up on a laptop running redhat, with a webcam and free sprint card I had. It would send live video clips and speed and update maps | 05:16 |
| [pablo] | like phsyically inside of the case? | 05:16 |
| Ar-ras | yes | 05:16 |
| penguinbait | I eventually lost my free sprint card | 05:16 |
| [pablo] | no | 05:16 |
| [pablo] | i like my warranty =) | 05:16 |
| Ar-ras | FCC | 05:16 |
| [pablo] | i also like my sanity =/ | 05:17 |
| penguinbait | I then used my 770, tmobile on razr, and iblue gps , but no video | 05:17 |
| Ar-ras | In N95 you must open the keypad to get fast GPS Signal | 05:17 |
| Ar-ras | because Nokia built the GPS under the keypad | 05:17 |
| [pablo] | i've tried it open and closed | 05:17 |
| penguinbait | I cant wait to get my 810 | 05:18 |
| [pablo] | i try it like every other day or so | 05:18 |
| Ar-ras | I have heard from some morons that they took 2 Hours to get signal | 05:18 |
| [pablo] | i'd never wait that long lol | 05:18 |
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| Ar-ras | on N95 you can get via GPRS data about satellite position | 05:19 |
| Ar-ras | then it takes only 20 sec. to get fix | 05:20 |
| penguinbait | hmmm, my garmin would have trouble if you traveled long distances and then turned it on | 05:20 |
| penguinbait | the sat cache would need to be reset, because it thinks its one place and is looking for the wrong sats | 05:20 |
| Ar-ras | yes | 05:20 |
| [pablo] | yeah | 05:20 |
| penguinbait | You could just reset it, or wait hours for it to wake up and figure out where it is | 05:21 |
| [pablo] | i did finally get maemo mapper to recognize the builtin gps thought, so that's cool =) | 05:21 |
| penguinbait | but once it tracks it should be faster | 05:21 |
| penguinbait | oh thats cool, I was hoping that would work | 05:22 |
| Ar-ras | they said to me, that with the newest firmware of N95 (20.0.0.15) sat fix is faster | 05:22 |
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| penguinbait | I have no plan to use internal app | 05:22 |
| [pablo] | penguinbait: it doesn't work that well, you have to open the navicore map program for it to work heh | 05:22 |
| penguinbait | hmm, there must be a way to just turn it on | 05:23 |
| Ar-ras | maybe in the control panel of N800 | 05:23 |
| Ar-ras | N810 | 05:23 |
| [pablo] | i'm sure there is, will proabbly come in the next version of maemo mapper | 05:24 |
| penguinbait | does it load the module on demand or is it always loaded | 05:24 |
| [pablo] | Ar-ras: i've looked, haven't found anything | 05:24 |
| penguinbait | cat /proc/modules | 05:24 |
| penguinbait | or is it built into kernel | 05:24 |
| [pablo] | it uses gpsd | 05:24 |
| penguinbait | then there should be a way to start gpsd manually | 05:25 |
| penguinbait | its just a matter of the right options | 05:25 |
| [pablo] | yeah | 05:26 |
| Ar-ras | what is the name of this part of N800 which clicks | 05:27 |
| Ar-ras | part of the case | 05:27 |
| penguinbait | huh? | 05:27 |
| penguinbait | what case? | 05:27 |
| Ar-ras | cover | 05:27 |
| penguinbait | I think I was ripped off :) | 05:28 |
| Ar-ras | :D | 05:28 |
| penguinbait | what cover? | 05:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | The stand? | 05:28 |
| penguinbait | mine came with no cover | 05:28 |
| penguinbait | my stand is broken | 05:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | How'd you manage that? | 05:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | The stand is the best part! | 05:28 |
| penguinbait | so is my battery cover latch | 05:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | What the hell did you do to your N800? :P | 05:29 |
| penguinbait | went on 3 week vacation camping western usa with 4 kids :) | 05:29 |
| Ar-ras | yes i mean the stand | 05:30 |
| penguinbait | Still works like a champ though | 05:30 |
| [pablo] | hmm, starting the gpsdriver service doesn't do it | 05:30 |
| Ar-ras | is the stand of the N810 from metall or plastic too? | 05:30 |
| penguinbait | hoping metal | 05:31 |
| penguinbait | and hoping the usb port is not covered by the stand | 05:31 |
| penguinbait | not that I am having that problem anymore :) | 05:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm fairly certain it is. | 05:32 |
| Ar-ras | [pablo] is the stand from metal? | 05:32 |
| Ar-ras | GA do you have N810? | 05:32 |
| [pablo] | on the n810 yes, it is all metal | 05:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | I would be CERTAIN if I did. ;) | 05:32 |
| [pablo] | hmm, messing with that service did get my device to just reboot on its own lol | 05:32 |
| Ar-ras | is the stand the same size like the N800 stand? | 05:32 |
| penguinbait | is usb port exposed or hidden by stand | 05:32 |
| [pablo] | no idea, i don't have an n800 | 05:32 |
| [pablo] | it is hidden by the stand | 05:33 |
| penguinbait | #@$# | 05:33 |
| Ar-ras | penguinbait why? | 05:33 |
| Ar-ras | so no dirt goes in it | 05:33 |
| penguinbait | Well if I want to use it I have to have the stand open | 05:33 |
| penguinbait | thats not always optimal | 05:33 |
| [pablo] | so far I have only found one situation you can use the usb port in, and having the stand open isn't to inconvenient while it's hooked up to a computer | 05:34 |
| penguinbait | usb thumb drives, cdrom, dvd, usb hard drives | 05:35 |
| TheFool2 | I would like to have it mounted in the car with a usb hard drive connected. That sounds like it would be a fairly common use | 05:36 |
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| [pablo] | nope, it doesn't do host usb | 05:36 |
| [pablo] | and it's microusb | 05:36 |
| TheFool2 | bah sure it does...just need to do a bit of rewiring | 05:36 |
| Ar-ras | lol | 05:36 |
| TheFool2 | already got it working on the 770 | 05:36 |
| penguinbait | and if you want to mount it in your car, you probably would have a holder, and it probably would not fit well with the stand open | 05:36 |
| TheFool2 | just need to power it and have the right adapter | 05:37 |
| TheFool2 | penguinbait: exactly why I would like not to have the stand open | 05:37 |
| penguinbait | 770 was easy, and now n800 is easy too | 05:37 |
| [pablo] | that has potential for some serious hardware hacking heh | 05:37 |
| TheFool2 | [pablo]: its ridiculously simple... | 05:38 |
| penguinbait | I just used gender benders, no hacking | 05:38 |
| [pablo] | to power the usb port? | 05:38 |
| penguinbait | no hacking is needed | 05:38 |
| TheFool2 | penguinbait: you need more than that you have to supply power the wrong way | 05:38 |
| penguinbait | on 770 800, just buy the correct pieces | 05:38 |
| Ar-ras | [pablo] use your mobile nuclear plant | 05:38 |
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| penguinbait | I know this, I use a split cable, a gender bender, a battery powered hub | 05:39 |
| [pablo] | mine went in for repair and never came back =/ | 05:39 |
| penguinbait | :) | 05:39 |
| penguinbait | mine too pablo | 05:39 |
| TheFool2 | powered hub doesn't work because the power needs to go to the n770 not just the device | 05:39 |
| penguinbait | split usb cable | 05:39 |
| penguinbait | it does work I used it | 05:39 |
| TheFool2 | penguinbait: sounds cool | 05:39 |
| TheFool2 | penguinbait: that would be a much nicer setup than my altoids can hack... | 05:40 |
| bucky1 | is there a way to access the gps info with homebrew dev? | 05:40 |
| penguinbait | I did not want to solder anything | 05:40 |
| TheFool2 | penguinbait: how much did it cost you to do it that way? | 05:40 |
| penguinbait | I always burn my fingers :) | 05:40 |
| Ar-ras | I would destroy my device | 05:41 |
| [pablo] | i wont lie, i would love to get host usb working on my n810, toss my extra 80GB WD passport in my car for my music library on my n810 while I drive | 05:41 |
| [pablo] | that would be sweeet | 05:41 |
| penguinbait | 20$ for hub, 9$ split usb cable, 2$ gender bender | 05:41 |
| TheFool2 | Ar-ras: you never actually mess with the device | 05:41 |
| penguinbait | plus shipping 10 | 05:41 |
| penguinbait | pablo, it already works | 05:41 |
| TheFool2 | hmm you wouldn't happen to have a link to the cable+gender bender would you? | 05:41 |
| [pablo] | on the n810? | 05:42 |
| penguinbait | give me a minute fool2 | 05:42 |
| penguinbait | n810 its comes working pablo | 05:42 |
| Ar-ras | is there any easy method to get Samba on N800? | 05:42 |
| penguinbait | you just need OTG cable | 05:42 |
| TheFool2 | penguinbait: whats an OTG cable? | 05:42 |
| penguinbait | or gender bender and use nokia cable | 05:42 |
| [pablo] | usb on the go | 05:43 |
| penguinbait | I dont know, I dont have one, but yes on the go | 05:43 |
| TheFool2 | hmm, I will just use the nokia cable and a gender bender... | 05:43 |
| penguinbait | its a special cable, which will aloww the n810 to auto detect devices on usb | 05:43 |
| Ar-ras | are the drivers already in N800? | 05:44 |
| penguinbait | you can also use a gender bender on the end of standard nokia cable and turn it on manually | 05:44 |
| penguinbait | this goes for n800 and n810 | 05:44 |
| Ar-ras | or must you hack for every device the drivers? | 05:44 |
| penguinbait | on 2008os | 05:44 |
| [pablo] | http://www.cbbstore.com/retail/shop/productdetails.asp?pid=5529&src=1001 | 05:44 |
| [pablo] | $6 | 05:44 |
| penguinbait | the mass storage came working | 05:44 |
| Ar-ras | penguinbait you mean DKE-2 whit gender bender | 05:44 |
| penguinbait | so usb drives | 05:44 |
| penguinbait | I compiled the kernel modules for CDROM and DVD and those now are also workign | 05:45 |
| [pablo] | i need to figure out how to get power to it in my car though, passports are powered over usb | 05:45 |
| acydlord | modify a usb cable to use a car lighter adapter rated at 5v | 05:46 |
| Ar-ras | pablo you have in your car 12 V | 05:46 |
| Ar-ras | yeah acydlord | 05:46 |
| penguinbait | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12491 | 05:46 |
| penguinbait | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4177 | 05:47 |
| TheFool2 | a 5v outlet, cool. | 05:47 |
| TheFool2 | lol I have only heard of 12v car outlets... | 05:48 |
| [pablo] | me too | 05:48 |
| Ar-ras | so was there any easter egg in the N810? | 05:48 |
| [pablo] | no, but there is a hard boiled egg that comes in the box you can decorate yourself | 05:50 |
| [pablo] | =) | 05:50 |
| Ar-ras | TheFool2 you can buy for your mobilephones a car charger which uses the 12 V Car lighter | 05:50 |
| Ar-ras | And the power should be about 5 V | 05:50 |
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| [pablo] | so get a mini-usb phone car charger, chop off the end and put a USB female plug on it, attatch a split cable to plug into the HD and the n810? | 05:51 |
| penguinbait | http://www.bixnet.com/5vps2powercord.html | 05:53 |
| penguinbait | there is the split y cable | 05:54 |
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| [pablo] | ok, but it has two type A usb, those wont plug into the n810 | 05:55 |
| [pablo] | i need a mini to micro with a car adapter y coming off heh | 05:56 |
| TheFool2 | penguinbait: so the mini to the n770/800/810 and a gender bender to get one into a usb drive and the other into a powered hub? | 05:56 |
| Ar-ras | [pablo] yes but be carefull, Nokia Mobilephones can take up to 9 V without damaging | 05:56 |
| Ar-ras | but USB should be stailized | 05:57 |
| Ar-ras | stabilized | 05:57 |
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| penguinbait | on 770 - the mini to the tablet, the main to a powered hub, the other able plugs into the hub to provide power | 05:57 |
| penguinbait | now polug your device into the hub | 05:58 |
| Ar-ras | I go to bed | 05:59 |
| TheFool2 | interesting 8 bucks...not bad | 05:59 |
| Ar-ras | its 5 o'clock AM | 05:59 |
| penguinbait | you will need gender bender female A to female A to plug in the hub to the usb cable | 05:59 |
| Ar-ras | good night | 05:59 |
| penguinbait | 11pm | 05:59 |
| penguinbait | good night | 05:59 |
| penguinbait | fool you understand? | 05:59 |
| penguinbait | http://www.cyberguys.com/templates/SearchDetail.asp?productID=2823 | 06:01 |
| TheFool2 | penguinbait: yea, totally ordering one | 06:01 |
| penguinbait | gender changer | 06:01 |
| penguinbait | I ordered mine, and I played with it on my 770 about 3 times, then I sent it in for repair | 06:03 |
| [pablo] | anyone know if they make car powered usb hubs? =P | 06:03 |
| [pablo] | i understand that setup heh | 06:03 |
| penguinbait | never got my 770 back from repair,bought a 800, and never could use any of it | 06:03 |
| penguinbait | I may buy a 770 when I can get one for 50$ :) | 06:03 |
| penguinbait | pablo | 06:04 |
| penguinbait | you only need the gender bender and your nokia cable | 06:04 |
| penguinbait | that last link | 06:04 |
| penguinbait | $2.99 | 06:04 |
| [pablo] | and just plug the drive straight into the n810? | 06:05 |
| penguinbait | probably $5 for shipping :) | 06:05 |
| [pablo] | i still don't have power to the drive though ... | 06:05 |
| penguinbait | it depends pablo | 06:05 |
| penguinbait | I ran thumb drive off n800 power | 06:05 |
| penguinbait | I had to provide extra power for my usb hard drive | 06:06 |
| [pablo] | yeah, it would need extra power for sure, just trying to figure out how to do that in my car | 06:06 |
| [pablo] | is it feasable to buy a y cable for my portable drive and plug the extra usb into car power somehow | 06:07 |
| penguinbait | perhaps a usb y cable and a powered hub, the powered hub could provide the extra power | 06:08 |
| penguinbait | do they have car powered usb hubs? 12v | 06:08 |
| [pablo] | not sure, i've been looking but haven't found one | 06:09 |
| [pablo] | another option I might have is a stereo with usb ports possibly | 06:09 |
| [pablo] | i know those are out there | 06:09 |
| [pablo] | and i'm sure they are powered | 06:09 |
| [pablo] | but then I could probably just plug the drive straight into the stereo and play it form there heh | 06:09 |
| [pablo] | from* | 06:09 |
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| penguinbait | Hmmm | 06:14 |
| penguinbait | I have a cigarette lighter charger for my iblue gps | 06:14 |
| penguinbait | it plugs in the lighter, and has a usb female A output | 06:15 |
| [pablo] | really? | 06:15 |
| penguinbait | but it would put out 12v would that fry everything? | 06:15 |
| [pablo] | not sure, you sure it's 12v? | 06:15 |
| [pablo] | it's not stepped down? | 06:16 |
| elb | yeah, I'd multimeter that | 06:16 |
| elb | if it plugs into a regular USB port, I'd hope it was 5v | 06:16 |
| penguinbait | It has a cable like the nokia, and charges the gps via a mini A port | 06:16 |
| penguinbait | I suppose it could be dropping voltage | 06:16 |
| [pablo] | it should still be only 5v | 06:16 |
| penguinbait | I will have to get my voltmeter out | 06:17 |
| elb | just don't short the pins ;-) | 06:17 |
| elb | I blew a fan controller on a motherboard doing that, the other day :-P | 06:17 |
| [pablo] | lol | 06:17 |
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| elb | it sucked, I was building an IR receiver for a mythtv box | 06:18 |
| elb | I had this sweet design, it was technically correct in its outputs, ran off a fan power plug, etc., it was beautiful | 06:18 |
| elb | and TOTALLY didn't work | 06:18 |
| elb | so I just hacked some rad shack reciever part in to a drive power cable and wired it *directly* to the sound card for input ... and it worked fine | 06:19 |
| elb | I was pissed | 06:19 |
| penguinbait | pablo, it says output 5.4volts | 06:20 |
| [pablo] | nice, so something like that would be perfect, what was it for again? | 06:20 |
| penguinbait | perhaps you could get a replacement part | 06:21 |
| penguinbait | its a car chager for i-blue gps | 06:21 |
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| elb | my local big lots has a bunch of cellular phone car charger power plugs | 06:22 |
| elb | for $2.50 or something | 06:22 |
| elb | I bet one of them is USB | 06:23 |
| penguinbait | my razr is also miniusb charger, but its 12v | 06:24 |
| [pablo] | elb: this adapter has a female a usb end on it though | 06:24 |
| penguinbait | no its not | 06:24 |
| penguinbait | I am on somthing | 06:24 |
| penguinbait | its also 5v | 06:25 |
| [pablo] | oh wow | 06:25 |
| [pablo] | http://www.buygpsnow.com/two-sockets-car-charger-with-1-usb-port-charge-your-pda-smartphone-i-pod-in-your-car-by-just-mobile-677.aspx | 06:25 |
| [pablo] | that is sexy | 06:25 |
| penguinbait | Car charger for a motorola razr v3 shoud do it | 06:25 |
| elb | I don't know if I'd use the word "sexy", exactly ;-) | 06:26 |
| [pablo] | what can I say, i'm freaky deaky haha | 06:26 |
| penguinbait | there you go | 06:26 |
| [pablo] | no seriously though, that is perfect | 06:26 |
| [pablo] | i can charge my n810, my phone, and my hard drive with that | 06:27 |
| [pablo] | so i just need that, a y cable, and a fem/fem adapter | 06:27 |
| penguinbait | yup | 06:28 |
| [pablo] | $20 plus shipping it looks like | 06:28 |
| [pablo] | that's not bad =) | 06:28 |
| [pablo] | and then I should be able to just mount the HD like i would on my desktop? | 06:28 |
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| penguinbait | what 20+ | 06:28 |
| penguinbait | whats? | 06:28 |
| penguinbait | hey pablo, your gonna like this | 06:29 |
| [pablo] | the car charging thing, a y cable, and the fem/fem adapter | 06:29 |
| penguinbait | the hard drive will automount | 06:29 |
| [pablo] | haha friggin sweet =) | 06:29 |
| penguinbait | ah yes all together | 06:29 |
| penguinbait | Alright I am headed out | 06:30 |
| penguinbait | let me know how it goes | 06:30 |
| [pablo] | thanks a lot =) have a good one | 06:30 |
| [pablo] | oh if it works i'll do a write up on it heh | 06:30 |
| penguinbait | you too, cool | 06:30 |
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| l7_ | hmm, h a n d W r itlng iS neat. | 06:41 |
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| TheFool2 | I gave up on handwriting in about 30 secs | 06:42 |
| l7_ | neeas l ra,ng,nq Ma7be | 06:42 |
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| elb | heh | 06:43 |
| l7_ | yeah i caan see why | 06:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | After using a Newton, the HWR on the NITs is embarrassing. | 06:43 |
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| l7_ | i wish the thumb pad was better with irc | 06:44 |
| ShyBoy | I got a quick question | 06:44 |
| ShyBoy | i downloaded the vmware image | 06:44 |
| ShyBoy | and my chinook environment is ready | 06:44 |
| ShyBoy | i need to compile the sources and test the app | 06:45 |
| ShyBoy | is there any tutorail out there somewhere? | 06:45 |
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| l7_ | it's a bit clumsy to thumb then switch view | 06:45 |
| ShyBoy | google didn't bring anything useful | 06:45 |
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| ShyBoy | appriciate the help | 06:46 |
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| TheFool2 | ShyBoy: wish I could help, I have no clue. | 06:47 |
| TheFool2 | GeneralAntilles: a Newton? as in that old apple PDA? | 06:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 06:48 |
| ShyBoy | well I am just wondering that when i run the xephyr my command prompt is holding it | 06:48 |
| TheFool2 | GeneralAntilles: did it have good HWR? | 06:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Aside from the size, it's really the best PDA ever made. | 06:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | The HWR was fantastic. | 06:48 |
| TheFool2 | GeneralAntilles: or is it just that the IT's have such horrid HWR | 06:48 |
| ShyBoy | so should I close xephyr? in order to work on command prompt, so I can open another terminal? | 06:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, both. :) The Newton was amazing and the ITs are horrid. | 06:48 |
| l7_ | same here. all i can do is gawk at this pretty screen | 06:48 |
| ShyBoy | if I open another terminal, do i have to login again in scratchbox? or I can jsut use the linux prompt to compile the stuff etc, and then need ot bring it in scratchnox? | 06:49 |
| l7_ | you can run a newton emu on ITs i hear | 06:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 06:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Screen is way too small for decent HWR on an emulated newton. | 06:50 |
| TheFool2 | l7_: I would love to see someone use that to provide input for hildon... | 06:50 |
| l7_ | TheFool2: too bad you'd need to own a newton to legally use the emu | 06:52 |
| l7_ | http://cs.gmu.edu/~sean/stuff/n800/ | 06:54 |
| l7_ | And Its GUI Shortcomings From a Newton Developer's Perspective | 06:55 |
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| TheFool2 | l7_: bah, I am sure I could pick one up for like $5 | 06:56 |
| l7_ | heh | 06:57 |
| TheFool2 | GeneralAntilles: besides the HWR what makes the Newton so great? | 06:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's basically the perfect PDA (minus the size) | 06:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Everything about the OS is incredibly well thought-out. | 06:57 |
| l7_ | the lasttime i considered buying a newton it was still 300 | 06:58 |
| elb | it's typical Apple | 06:58 |
| elb | 90% of it is amazing, but they have to suck at the last minute ;-) | 06:58 |
| l7_ | itś´too bad they ccouldnt´sell em | 07:01 |
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| l7_ | the mp 21OO was like a thousand dollars at launch iirc | 07:02 |
| l7_ | thatś five n800s! | 07:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | and $1000 in 1996 dollars. | 07:03 |
| l7_ | hm | 07:04 |
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| l7_ | weird, i got stuck and couldnt´scroll down in irssi | 07:06 |
| l7_ | this stowaway keyboard is quirky | 07:06 |
| l7_ | B/part | 07:07 |
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| l7_ | oh yeah... i forgot how weak these 2007 dollars are | 07:11 |
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| l7_ | have to figure out how to remap the stowaway properly | 07:12 |
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| joshin | [pablo]: Seems like half of Phoenix is made up of people escaping Michigan | 07:18 |
| [pablo] | joshin: you too? | 07:20 |
| joshin | My wife and her family lived outside Detroit (Farmington area). Her parents retired to Phoenix and we moved here to be close to them (from Oregon) | 07:20 |
| joshin | We're in Gilbert. You? | 07:21 |
| [pablo] | downtown phoenix | 07:21 |
| joshin | You mean people actually live in the downtown part. :p | 07:21 |
| [pablo] | yeah | 07:22 |
| [pablo] | there's not much residence here I know | 07:23 |
| [pablo] | but there is a bit | 07:23 |
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| [pablo] | i wish there was more | 07:23 |
| [pablo] | phoenix is not nearly pedestrian enough for me | 07:23 |
| joshin | There will be. Someday. | 07:23 |
| joshin | Well, in the summer it is a touch hot to be walking around. | 07:23 |
| joshin | Though if they spent the $ on a whole city misting system instead of on light rail, it might be better. | 07:23 |
| [pablo] | yeah this lightrail business is rediculous | 07:24 |
| [pablo] | i would never describe something with a top speed of 28mph "light" anything | 07:24 |
| TheFool2 | Is there a faster way to get the "right-click menu" then tapping and holding? | 07:25 |
| [pablo] | not taht I have found | 07:25 |
| [pablo] | but that would be very useful | 07:25 |
| joshin | It describes the size of the tracks and how all our wallets will feel after it gets paid for. | 07:26 |
| [pablo] | it takes for ever, and sometimes doesn't register | 07:26 |
| [pablo] | joshin: lol | 07:26 |
| joshin | TheFool2: Nope. Though it might be nice to figure a way to map a key combo to it. | 07:26 |
| [pablo] | surface level was a huge mistake too | 07:26 |
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| TheFool2 | joshin: is such a thing possible? If so why on earth has no one done it? | 07:26 |
| joshin | Yup but a subway would even be more expensive. | 07:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're pushing that for Tampa, FL. | 07:27 |
| [pablo] | above ground wouldn't have been much more expensive | 07:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just don't buy it. | 07:27 |
| joshin | TheFool2: Its software so it is possible. Maybe no one is as bothered by it as you. | 07:27 |
| [pablo] | could have gone much faster | 07:27 |
| joshin | I hope you don't have to buy it GeneralAntilles. | 07:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | ;) | 07:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | So do I, so do I. | 07:28 |
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| TheFool2 | I can't imagine that, if I could just hit some button and then tap... I am thinking it's more that there is no real way to tye a key combo into a press and hold event with hildon | 07:28 |
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| [pablo] | FN + Click should be right click | 07:29 |
| l7_ | p | 07:30 |
| TheFool2 | and p to you as well | 07:30 |
| l7_ | weird connecting the stowaway disabled the thumbboard | 07:31 |
| TheFool2 | that makes sense | 07:32 |
| TheFool2 | you just changed input methods | 07:32 |
| l7_ | kinda | 07:32 |
| l7_ | i wanted it toget | 07:32 |
| TheFool2 | how does the stowaway work for you? does it work in every app? | 07:32 |
| l7_ | to use both though | 07:33 |
| l7_ | hmm | 07:33 |
| TheFool2 | have you tried manually bringing up the thumboard? | 07:33 |
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| l7_ | i havent tested every app | 07:33 |
| l7_ | yes | 07:33 |
| TheFool2 | hmm well thats dumb | 07:34 |
| l7_ | it wouldn't give me the thumbboard or onscreen kb til i disconnected | 07:34 |
| TheFool2 | it should disable the act of bringing it up for text areas no disable it completely | 07:34 |
| l7_ | the stowaway | 07:34 |
| TheFool2 | wow reindexing 90gb of music takes some serious time | 07:35 |
| l7_ | hmm | 07:35 |
| l7_ | now the stowaway is connected | 07:36 |
| l7_ | it killed the onscreen kbs | 07:36 |
| l7_ | i bet i could poke a hole in the bottom of the screen w/o getting an onscreen kb now | 07:37 |
| l7_ | this is just in xterm though | 07:37 |
| l7_ | hmm it seems to apply to all text input fields | 07:38 |
| l7_ | what is worse is that i cant´seem to access cut and paste for those fields now | 07:38 |
| TheFool2 | I am still trying to find a good method of on-the-go text input...I miss my zaurus's thumbpad | 07:38 |
| TheFool2 | ack that is a problem | 07:38 |
| l7_ | like if i wanted to cut and paste a URL | 07:38 |
| TheFool2 | ctrl+c/shift+insert on the stowaway maybe? | 07:39 |
| l7_ | the zaurus thumbpad is like the treośs right? | 07:39 |
| TheFool2 | haven't seen the treo's so I couldn't tell you | 07:39 |
| l7_ | ah yes ctrl-c or x and v work | 07:40 |
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| TheFool2 | it wasa nice slide out, very tactile | 07:40 |
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| TheFool2 | I could type a good 20 wpm with it | 07:40 |
| l7_ | it seems to assume you are in _laptop mode_ | 07:41 |
| l7_ | for want of a better term | 07:41 |
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| l7_ | so you cant´switch fluidly between keyboarding and getting up and thumboarding | 07:41 |
| TheFool2 | that is a shame, I really need an inbetween state...for when I want to pace and code... | 07:41 |
| l7_ | unless you disconnect it | 07:42 |
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| l7_ | yeah i want my robotech hybrid mode dammit ;-] | 07:43 |
| TheFool2 | robotech? | 07:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also: edit menu, l7_. | 07:44 |
| l7_ | i wonder how it goes with the n810 | 07:45 |
| l7_ | oh yeah | 07:45 |
| TheFool2 | I hear the keyboard is nice but the top row is to close to the screen and you can't get your fingers in there right | 07:45 |
| l7_ | yeah i read that review too | 07:46 |
| l7_ | hey swiitch between peck mode and thumbboard is neat. it seems to reduce fatigue | 07:48 |
| TheFool2 | god I love mmpc | 07:48 |
| l7_ | what's mmpc? | 07:49 |
| TheFool2 | so simple...so elegant... | 07:49 |
| TheFool2 | you know what mpd is? | 07:49 |
| TheFool2 | it is basically a way to remote control your computers music playing from the tablet | 07:49 |
| TheFool2 | it connects to a server called mpd | 07:50 |
| l7_ | alas i am but a mere mortal | 07:50 |
| TheFool2 | http://mmpc.garage.maemo.org/ | 07:50 |
| TheFool2 | I spent about an hour trying to port an ncurses based client before I found that... | 07:51 |
| l7_ | oh, i thought it was some arcane programing thing | 07:51 |
| l7_ | that sounds neat | 07:51 |
| l7_ | i hope it works w/ songbird | 07:52 |
| TheFool2 | yea, I basically have it hooked up so I can control my entire houses sound system from my 770 | 07:52 |
| TheFool2 | and I have a cron job to blast music as an alarm clock :) | 07:52 |
| TheFool2 | l7_: it would work alongside songbird... | 07:52 |
| TheFool2 | l7_: I really think songbird is a solution looking for a problem | 07:53 |
| l7_ | man thats pretty sweet | 07:53 |
| l7_ | heh | 07:53 |
| l7_ | i like its crossplatformness | 07:54 |
| TheFool2 | I had an issue with songbird not resizing properly in linux...but hey its still alpha/beta | 07:55 |
| l7_ | i havent really settled on a music player of choice yet | 07:55 |
| TheFool2 | to be honest songbird could be it when it is further along | 07:56 |
| TheFool2 | itunes like interface, cross platform... it just needs to add a few rather important features | 07:56 |
| l7_ | it would be nice to see the firefox of open source media players | 07:57 |
| l7_ | im tired of itunes, but it seems to have the best interface | 07:57 |
| l7_ | which player do you use? | 07:58 |
| TheFool2 | I still use itunes 7.2, even on linux...simple and nice DAAP implementation | 07:58 |
| TheFool2 | after 7.2 apple locked down the DAAP pretty harshly | 07:59 |
| kupesoft | anyone got wireless tools (iwconfig!) working on os2008? | 07:59 |
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| TheFool2 | kupesoft: what problem are you having with it? | 08:01 |
| kupesoft | TheFool2: Can't find a package! | 08:02 |
| TheFool2 | kupesoft: I use 2007 so I can't help much, just curious | 08:02 |
| TheFool2 | kupesoft: have you tried simply using an older package? | 08:02 |
| kupesoft | no ;p | 08:02 |
| TheFool2 | there is a decent chance it might work... | 08:03 |
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| TheFool2 | I have had no issues running 2006 apps on 2007 HE | 08:03 |
| l7_ | interesting | 08:05 |
| l7_ | im glad i still run itunes 7.1 | 08:05 |
| TheFool2 | yea, it works great with canola | 08:06 |
| l7_ | wish i had downloaded 7.2 though | 08:06 |
| l7_ | that's the annoying thing about apple | 08:07 |
| l7_ | i hope songbird develops quickly ;) | 08:08 |
| TheFool2 | want it for windows or OS X? | 08:08 |
| TheFool2 | 7.2 I mean | 08:08 |
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| TheFool2 | anyways I am going to bed for the night... | 08:09 |
| TheFool2 | http://oldapps.com/itunes.htm if you want to upgrade to an old version :) | 08:10 |
| l7_ | re | 08:11 |
| l7_ | ah awesome | 08:11 |
| l7_ | i use windows and mac | 08:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why in the world would you use Windows? :P | 08:13 |
| l7_ | dunno | 08:14 |
| l7_ | it came w/ the box? | 08:14 |
| l7_ | i wanted a powerful server | 08:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | So put Debian on there. | 08:14 |
| l7_ | yeah, no itunes though | 08:15 |
| sikahakki | is this windows and macintosh channel? | 08:15 |
| l7_ | linux intimidates me | 08:15 |
| sikahakki | I'm in the wrong channel | 08:16 |
| l7_ | the n800 was supposed to be a was to get the hang of it | 08:16 |
| sikahakki | I must then quit | 08:16 |
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| l7_ | hmm | 08:16 |
| l7_ | it was all related to the n800 | 08:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Weird one. | 08:19 |
| l7_ | yeah | 08:20 |
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| |R | http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/showimage.php?m=Reviews.Images&f=name&id=23892 <- anyone know which micro-USB format is that? | 08:23 |
| |R | Can't find a cable for my headset with that format, though BlueAnt uses this on their V12 and Z9 headset claiming it's micro-USB... | 08:23 |
| |R | from what i gathered, type-A and type-B micro-USB are different from this... didn't see any references to other types! | 08:25 |
| |R | oh, seems like there is a micro-AB... urhm | 08:27 |
| l7_ | weird | 08:28 |
| l7_ | is that the top of your headset? | 08:28 |
| |R | that's a Z9, i have a V12 but it's the same plug | 08:28 |
| |R | argh, i think it's proprietary... | 08:29 |
| |R | those asshole say it's micro-usb on the box! | 08:30 |
| |R | :( | 08:30 |
| l7_ | :/ | 08:30 |
| |R | The Z9 at least comes with that usb to plug cable... not my V12 and i can't find a spare part seller for it :| | 08:30 |
| * |R doesn't want to travel with a bunch of AC adapters :P | 08:31 | |
| l7_ | the adaptor is for charging? | 08:32 |
| l7_ | i cant´see any other reason for a headset to have a usb plug | 08:32 |
| |R | yeah, they actually gave me an AC adapter and a car charger, but not the USB cable! | 08:32 |
| |R | well apparently the Z9 can also have firmware upgrade through that plug | 08:33 |
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| l7_ | thatś too bad, i wonder what incentive they have for going proprietary | 08:33 |
| |R | no clue, and lying about it too :| | 08:33 |
| l7_ | hrm firmare update, that is interesting | 08:33 |
| l7_ | seems odd for a headset, but useful i suppose | 08:34 |
| l7_ | my cheapo headset has some kind of weird adaptor tip as wel | 08:34 |
| |R | hehe yeah, maybe it's to be able to release earlier buggy product... | 08:34 |
| l7_ | i wish everyone would just use micro or mini usb | 08:35 |
| |R | me too :| | 08:35 |
| ShyBoy | hey guys | 08:35 |
| l7_ | does it decreas their costs to go proprietary? | 08:35 |
| ShyBoy | really need your help | 08:35 |
| l7_ | seems odd to me | 08:35 |
| ShyBoy | i m trying to compile some sources | 08:35 |
| |R | maybe there is a licensing cost to the standard body? | 08:35 |
| ShyBoy | can someone please guide me? | 08:35 |
| |R | like firewire had... and bluetooth i guess | 08:35 |
| |R | ShyBoy : well... ask something, we'll see? :) | 08:36 |
| ShyBoy | i have chinook environment ready | 08:36 |
| l7_ | hrm, good point | 08:36 |
| ShyBoy | i have xephyr running | 08:36 |
| ShyBoy | i have sources in linux box | 08:36 |
| ShyBoy | how to compile it? | 08:36 |
| |R | make | 08:36 |
| ShyBoy | 1. when i run xephyr the command prompt have no control | 08:36 |
| ShyBoy | should i open new terminal window? | 08:36 |
| |R | in the scratchbox login envrionment from which you ran xephyr... | 08:37 |
| |R | you have your source code? | 08:37 |
| ShyBoy | i have my sources here /scratchbox/users/maemo/home/maemo/workspace | 08:37 |
| |R | Than you just choose the target with sbmenu i think and compile it like any other compilation | 08:37 |
| |R | But i'm not expert yet, i just tried it once for now ;) | 08:38 |
| ShyBoy | so at that point, i don't need to run xephyr right? | 08:38 |
| |R | no, i don't see why | 08:38 |
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| |R | p/clear | 08:40 |
| |R | arf | 08:40 |
| ShyBoy | how do i know what targets are already installed | 08:40 |
| ShyBoy | i got the vmware image | 08:40 |
| lopz | bye | 08:40 |
| |R | not too sure, sb-menu (sbmenu?) has a list somewhere | 08:40 |
| |R | in setup or something | 08:40 |
| |R | can't remember | 08:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Is it just me, or does lopz say exactly two things a day, "hola" and "bye"? | 08:46 |
| |R | a polite idler maybe :) | 08:48 |
| ShyBoy | when I try to compile the sources in the target i get this error | 08:48 |
| ShyBoy | configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in . ./.. ./../.. | 08:48 |
| ShyBoy | [sbox-CHINOOK_X86: ~/workspace/libquran-0.3] > | 08:48 |
| ShyBoy | i can see that install-sh file is there | 08:49 |
| ShyBoy | its not missing, y its complaning can't find? | 08:49 |
| |R | urhm, no clue :( | 08:49 |
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| [pablo] | permissions correct? | 08:50 |
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| ShyBoy | lrwxrwxrwx 1 maemo maemo 34 Dec 1 02:04 install-sh -> /usr/share/automake-1.9/install-sh | 08:50 |
| ShyBoy | thats the permissions on that file | 08:51 |
| [pablo] | try setting them to something more reasonable like 755 | 08:51 |
| |R | that's a link | 08:51 |
| ShyBoy | there is also a line there which I think maybe a problem | 08:51 |
| ShyBoy | lrwxrwxrwx 1 maemo maemo 31 Dec 1 02:04 missing -> /usr/share/automake-1.9/missing | 08:51 |
| |R | it's always going to be rwxrwxrwx | 08:51 |
| [pablo] | oh | 08:51 |
| |R | take a look at the file in points to to be sure you have access | 08:52 |
| [pablo] | does /usr/share/automake-1.9/install-sh exist? | 08:52 |
| ShyBoy | no | 08:52 |
| ShyBoy | i think i should do the apt-get for that | 08:52 |
| ShyBoy | right? | 08:53 |
| [pablo] | well there yougo =) | 08:53 |
| [pablo] | that may fix it yes | 08:53 |
| ShyBoy | hmm | 08:53 |
| ShyBoy | how do i get that | 08:53 |
| ShyBoy | apt-get install auto doesn't give me any list | 08:53 |
| [pablo] | apt-get install automake? | 08:53 |
| [pablo] | it's automake not auto | 08:53 |
| ShyBoy | Reading package lists... Done | 08:54 |
| ShyBoy | Building dependency tree... Done | 08:54 |
| ShyBoy | E: Couldn't find package automake | 08:54 |
| ShyBoy | i need to add the repository first i guess | 08:54 |
| [pablo] | what OS are you running that doesn't have automake? | 08:55 |
| ShyBoy | linux 2.6.x hosyt | 08:55 |
| ShyBoy | host | 08:55 |
| ShyBoy | i think its ubuntu | 08:55 |
| [pablo] | .. what distro? | 08:55 |
| ShyBoy | what is the command to get that info | 08:56 |
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| ShyBoy | :) | 08:56 |
| [pablo] | ubuntu has automake | 08:56 |
| ShyBoy | ver doesn't give me anything | 08:56 |
| [pablo] | well, did you install the OS on your computer? | 08:56 |
| ShyBoy | actually i downloaded the vmware image for chinook enviroment | 08:56 |
| K`zan | Night folks. | 08:57 |
| ShyBoy | it looks similar to ubuntu | 08:57 |
| [pablo] | oh | 08:57 |
| [pablo] | i'm not familiar with it, but I would assume it's maemo built for x86 | 08:57 |
| TheFool2 | can't sleep...what calendar apps do you guys use? | 08:57 |
| ShyBoy | yes | 08:57 |
| [pablo] | TheFool2: i use google calendar and gpe calendar | 08:57 |
| TheFool2 | why both? do they sync? | 08:58 |
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| [pablo] | i wish =/ | 08:58 |
| [pablo] | i'm in transition mode | 08:58 |
| TheFool2 | google calendar is nice, I just think the web app takes too long to make it a good scheduler...which way are you transitioning? | 08:59 |
| [pablo] | to gpe | 08:59 |
| ShyBoy | Linux maemo-sdk 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Sun Oct 14 23:05:12 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux | 08:59 |
| TheFool2 | hmm then I shall start there | 08:59 |
| [pablo] | i've been using google calendar for years | 08:59 |
| [pablo] | but want to transition all my PIM functions to my n810 hopefully | 08:59 |
| truent | anyone have any idea how using dbus.. i can either change the current AP .. (a DUMMY type AP if that matters).. or how to bring up the connection manager connection dialog.. ive tried a couple things, ended up nowhere.. but i may be going about it the wrong way | 08:59 |
| [pablo] | syncing with gcal would be great | 08:59 |
| [pablo] | TheFool2: gpe is pretty good, it's got a basic todo application too, and an applet called gpesummary that's pretty useful | 09:00 |
| TheFool2 | [pablo]: I can't find it in my repos. Do you have a repo for it? | 09:01 |
| ShyBoy | [pablo]: when i just type automake i see the response | 09:01 |
| ShyBoy | [sbox-CHINOOK_X86: ~/workspace/libquran-0.3] > automake | 09:02 |
| ShyBoy | configure.in:4: version mismatch. This is Automake 1.8.5, | 09:02 |
| ShyBoy | configure.in:4: but the definition used by this AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE | 09:02 |
| ShyBoy | configure.in:4: comes from Automake 1.9.5. You should recreate | 09:02 |
| ShyBoy | configure.in:4: aclocal.m4 with aclocal and run automake again. | 09:02 |
| ShyBoy | configure.in: required file `./install-sh' not found | 09:02 |
| ShyBoy | configure.in: required file `./missing' not found | 09:02 |
| ShyBoy | Makefile.am: required file `./depcomp' not found | 09:02 |
| [pablo] | http://www.cobb.uk.net/apt/ | 09:02 |
| ShyBoy | but i guess i do have automake | 09:02 |
| ShyBoy | riht | 09:02 |
| ShyBoy | right | 09:02 |
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| [pablo] | sounds like it | 09:02 |
| [pablo] | just a different version | 09:02 |
| TheFool2 | yes, but an old version | 09:03 |
| [pablo] | have you tried doing what it says? | 09:03 |
| [pablo] | TheFool2: that was the repo ... http://www.cobb.uk.net/apt/ | 09:03 |
| ShyBoy | when i just type automake | 09:03 |
| ShyBoy | i post the results above | 09:03 |
| TheFool2 | sorry the old version comment was to ShyBoy. | 09:03 |
| TheFool2 | [pablo]: thanks for the lionk | 09:03 |
| TheFool2 | s/lionk/link | 09:04 |
| ShyBoy | how do i update the new version TheFool2 | 09:04 |
| [pablo] | i'm gonna go on a smoke break, bbiaf | 09:04 |
| TheFool2 | depends on what OS you are actually using. I am bafled that you are doing dev work without knowing your OS... | 09:04 |
| TheFool2 | try apt-get, yum, emerge...tell me if any of those exist on your system if they don't you recompile automake from source | 09:05 |
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| ShyBoy | apt-get was not able to install or update | 09:14 |
| ShyBoy | yum emerge is not there eighetr | 09:14 |
| ShyBoy | i m trying to finding the deb file | 09:14 |
| khertan | Hi | 09:15 |
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| TheFool2 | [pablo]: ok, I really like gpe-calendar thanks. And goodnight all | 09:18 |
| doc|home | anyone noticed the the browser is really slow at zooming? | 09:19 |
| [pablo] | night TheFool2 | 09:20 |
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| SignalN800 | hi there | 09:23 |
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| SignalN800 | i have a problem with my new n800 | 09:24 |
| SignalN800 | i can't to see the flaspayer videoo | 09:25 |
| SignalN800 | i guess .. i don't have the plugin intalled | 09:25 |
| hugolp | SignalN800: I have the n800 and I could see the flashplayer right away | 09:26 |
| SignalN800 | because i have checked for find it | 09:26 |
| SignalN800 | but . nothing | 09:26 |
| kulve | zerojay: hups | 09:26 |
| [pablo] | SignalN800: i had the same problem you had I think | 09:26 |
| SignalN800 | good for u | 09:26 |
| [pablo] | the plugin is most likely just disabled | 09:26 |
| [pablo] | which it will do automatically if you are low on memory for running apps | 09:27 |
| SignalN800 | how can able it ? | 09:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Click the magnifying glass. | 09:27 |
| [pablo] | in microb there should be a magnifying glass with a + on it in the lower right corner | 09:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | No need to be rude, SignalN800. | 09:28 |
| SignalN800 | i need to turn oncologiait | 09:28 |
| [pablo] | click on that and go to components | 09:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're just trying to help. | 09:28 |
| SignalN800 | ok ty | 09:28 |
| SignalN800 | i tryingg | 09:28 |
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| SignalN800 | i don't found this | 09:33 |
| SignalN800 | maybe . i don't understand | 09:34 |
| SignalN800 | :( | 09:34 |
| [pablo] | SignalN800: http://flickr.com/photos/bobb/2067564421/ | 09:35 |
| [pablo] | see in the lower right hand corner? | 09:35 |
| SignalN800 | ty so much man | 09:36 |
| hugolp | [pablo]: is that SO2008? | 09:36 |
| [pablo] | yeah | 09:36 |
| SignalN800 | ok | 09:37 |
| SignalN800 | understand | 09:37 |
| [pablo] | SignalN800: did it work? | 09:38 |
| hugolp | dont know if I like it more than the 2007 visually | 09:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, it's a theme. | 09:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Themes can be changes. | 09:38 |
| SignalN800 | but i don't have this browser | 09:38 |
| SignalN800 | not yet | 09:38 |
| hugolp | SignalN800: do you have 2008 or 2007 in your N800? | 09:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, the default theme on OS2007 was ugly as all get out. | 09:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plankton was much nicer. | 09:38 |
| SignalN800 | os2007 | 09:38 |
| hugolp | GeneralAntilles: yes | 09:38 |
| [pablo] | i stated using plankton theme and it looks a lot better | 09:38 |
| SignalN800 | maybe | 09:38 |
| SignalN800 | i need to install it | 09:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm hoping alterego's theme for OS2008 turns into something interesting. | 09:39 |
| SignalN800 | i try | 09:39 |
| hugolp | SignalN800: I get youtube without problems with 2007 and N800 | 09:39 |
| [pablo] | GeneralAntilles: what theme is that? | 09:39 |
| hugolp | GeneralAntilles: do you know if 2008 for N800 is stable enough? | 09:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | The one he's working on. ;) | 09:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I would say so, yes, hugolp. | 09:39 |
| SignalN800 | im glade for u man | 09:39 |
| [pablo] | GeneralAntilles: well then I hope it turns out good too =) | 09:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | The youtube problems are basically gone from OS2008. | 09:41 |
| [pablo] | i still notice some choppiness here and there | 09:41 |
| [pablo] | but nothing major | 09:41 |
| hugolp | GeneralAntilles: good enough for me to get rid of 2007 and install 2008? | 09:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd say so, yes. | 09:42 |
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| hugolp | I really want to try maemomyth and watch live tv on my n800 | 09:42 |
| hugolp | cool | 09:42 |
| khertan | and i want hildon-home python binding | 09:42 |
| khertan | :) | 09:42 |
| [pablo] | slingbox player? =P | 09:43 |
| kulve | zerojay: I can't believe how I missed a bug like that, but it should be fixed now.. | 09:43 |
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| truent | anybody mess with dbus on n800? | 09:45 |
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| khertan | nice bug kulve :) | 09:46 |
| hugolp | hey, im installing sdk4.0 and scratchbox script didnt work | 09:48 |
| hugolp | Im using Ubuntu gutsy, had sdk3.2 installed but renamed to scratchbox3, and get this message ~$ /scratchbox/login | 09:49 |
| hugolp | ERROR: Scratchbox is not properly set up! | 09:49 |
| kulve | khertan: well, not really ;) I hate doing bugs like that.. One should really test things at least decently before releasing anything, but that was so small thing, so I was a bit too hasty with it.. | 09:50 |
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| hugolp | anyone can give some help? | 09:52 |
| khertan | kulve: when i say nice ... i should say ... funny... ;) | 09:53 |
| khertan | i ve see the screenshot with the osso infoprint :) | 09:53 |
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| khertan | "One should really test things at least decently before releasing anything" << I always say that too :) But it s take time ... | 09:54 |
| kulve | yeah it takes.. | 09:54 |
| kulve | has somebody else had problems logging to downloads.m.o to edit/add apps? | 09:56 |
| kulve | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2449 | 09:56 |
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| kulve | s,https,http, I assume.. | 09:56 |
| kulve | truent: mess? | 09:59 |
| khertan | same problem kulve | 10:02 |
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| khertan | kulve: do u know if there is somewhere some python binding for hildon-desktop / hildon-home available ... ? | 10:04 |
| khertan | lucasr say that this should be inclued in chinook, but this is not inclued in the beta os2008 for n800 release | 10:05 |
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| kulve | khertan: sorry, I don't | 10:08 |
| truent | kulve: im wondering if it works for anyone ;P anyone at all | 10:11 |
| truent | i can get a service, listing of object paths for that service.. i try to get one of those.. no go | 10:11 |
| kulve | truent: well, at least my dbus-send works from commandline.. | 10:13 |
| SignalN800 | a see yah guys | 10:14 |
| SignalN800 | bye | 10:14 |
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| kulve | truent: and about everything uses dbus on the device, so it's working at least on those parts.. | 10:14 |
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| truent | try to get a connection dialog up.. serv: com.nokia.icd_ui, obj: /com/nokia/icd_ui interface: com.nokia.icd_ui method is show_conn_dlg | 10:15 |
| truent | i cant get that to bring up anything.. | 10:15 |
| truent | but it will intercept later msgs | 10:15 |
| truent | to where i cant open it up normally any longer | 10:15 |
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| [pablo] | is there a libdbus1-2 for os2008? I have libdbus 1-2 but fceu is requiring 1-2 and wont install | 10:27 |
| kulve | seems to be 1-3 | 10:27 |
| kulve | recompiling should help.. | 10:27 |
| [pablo] | man they have a lot of apps at http://maemo.org/downloads/ that just don't work | 10:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | No kidding | 10:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | It needs some cleaning up. | 10:29 |
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| [pablo] | it shouldnt include stuff from extras-devel | 10:33 |
| [pablo] | all the broken apps I can find are from extras-devel | 10:34 |
| khertan | and we need also an real server for maemo ... | 10:36 |
| khertan | a server that is not always down | 10:36 |
| khertan | and a mirror | 10:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It seems more like they're running maemo.org from a maemo DEVICE sometimes. | 10:38 |
| [pablo] | heh | 10:40 |
| [pablo] | that would be interesting | 10:40 |
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| * czr peeks | 11:03 | |
| [pablo] | no peekign! | 11:03 |
| [pablo] | s/peekign/peeking | 11:03 |
| [pablo] | does anyone know why the time zone or 'home city' setting makes me pick a city that's 300 miles away and in a different time zone? | 11:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because it doesn't like you? | 11:09 |
| [pablo] | that doesn't seem fair | 11:10 |
| [pablo] | it should list phoenix | 11:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Life isn't fair. | 11:10 |
| [pablo] | our state has it's own timezone lol | 11:10 |
| [pablo] | it's different than everyone elses ... almost | 11:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | File a bug. | 11:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1105 | 11:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unless that's already revelant. | 11:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | *erm, relevant. | 11:12 |
| [pablo] | sounds right | 11:15 |
| [pablo] | it's not so much a bug though as the way they implemented it in the UI as opposed to the system level | 11:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's a bug. :P | 11:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Vote for it. | 11:15 |
| [pablo] | waitying on my password email | 11:17 |
| [pablo] | and wishing i knew how to type properly | 11:18 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:41 |
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| trenka | ssvb: nice to meet you | 11:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Howdy, Jaffa. | 11:45 |
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| ssvb | trenka: hi, nice to meet you here too | 11:59 |
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| czr | [pablo], but I have still the essence of C64 in me. I need to peek once a while. Otherwise I'll explode. | 12:14 |
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| [pablo] | explosions are fun czr =) | 12:43 |
| czr | [pablo] exploding czrs are not :-) | 12:44 |
| doc|home | depends on if there's a camera close by | 12:46 |
| czr | the explosion will be dcc:d | 12:46 |
| [pablo] | don't knock it till you've tried it czr | 12:48 |
| czr | [pablo] I've tried it. Didn't like the results. Not enough glue to restore myself after that. | 12:49 |
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| [pablo] | how about I provide the glue? | 12:49 |
| [pablo] | I have an excess of gorilla glue | 12:49 |
| czr | poor excess gorillas | 12:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Everybody needs to start hyphenating everything when they're talking to czr. :P | 12:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also: I wonder what a gorilla's excess looks like. | 12:51 |
| czr | :-) | 12:51 |
| czr | bleh. I know when I've been doing something else for too long when I start forgetting hostnames | 12:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | You should make them more memorable. | 12:52 |
| czr | they are :-) | 12:52 |
| czr | I name weird hosts by using female-pop-"star"-names | 12:52 |
| czr | or they're not even popstars always | 12:53 |
| [pablo] | like madonna? | 12:53 |
| czr | nah. no madonna yet. | 12:53 |
| [pablo] | how could you not start with madonna? | 12:53 |
| [pablo] | who did you start with? hillary duff? | 12:53 |
| czr | britney & fergie are couple of apple cubes that are updating couple of NOC-screens, paris & nicole are couple of ia-64 machines I use for x-arch testing, and there's also christine for NOC-related stuff | 12:53 |
| czr | hillary wasn't too popular over here. | 12:54 |
| [pablo] | christine who? | 12:54 |
| czr | oh sorry, christina :-) | 12:54 |
| [pablo] | ah | 12:54 |
| solmumaha | you should have started with kikka | 12:54 |
| czr | solmumaha, that'd just be too cruel :-) | 12:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Apple Cubes, eh? | 12:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who the hell has Apple Cubes these days? | 12:55 |
| solmumaha | may she rest in peace | 12:55 |
| czr | GeneralAntilles, they're nice when you don't need to do anything but update screens once a while. no fans. | 12:55 |
| czr | GeneralAntilles, and we had a surplus of them anyway. | 12:55 |
| [pablo] | i wonder which looks cooler, a surplus of cubes or a surplus of gorillas .... | 12:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Middling-range desktop performance at high-end laptop prices! | 12:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cubes. | 12:56 |
| czr | http://www.techgadgetforums.com/files/apple_aquarium.jpg | 12:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Surplus gorillas get very smelly after a very short period of time. | 12:57 |
| czr | well, considering they didn't cost anything, it isn't that bad | 12:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 12:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've got an old 128k that I've been meaning to do that to | 12:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just can't bring myself to lobotomize it. | 12:57 |
| [pablo] | haha that's cute =) | 12:58 |
| czr | seriously though. once you replace the internal drives with something more silent, the cubes are really nice | 12:59 |
| czr | it's not like you need a lot of memory just to display a webpage | 12:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 12:59 |
| czr | (they're running linux obviously) | 12:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Depends on the page. ;) | 12:59 |
| czr | true that :-) | 12:59 |
| czr | but this isn't some fancy AJAX-crap. | 13:00 |
| czr | or actually one of the pages is. but it's pretty light for AJAX-crap. | 13:00 |
| pupnik | amazon.de has Nokia N810 on 'pre order' http://qurl.org/nX | 13:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | I had a dream last night that I had a dream that I got a free N810. | 13:07 |
| czr | then you woke up but noticed that you're still dreaming | 13:08 |
| * czr hates when that happens | 13:08 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 13:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's always better when you know you're dreaming. | 13:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then you get to do whatever you want. ;) | 13:09 |
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| czr | I never quite managed to influence the dreams properly | 13:09 |
| czr | but yeah, sometimes I know I'm dreaming. it's weird. | 13:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's only started happening to me within the past year. | 13:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's usually close to when I'm about to wake up. | 13:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It clicks and it's like, "Oh, this is a dry" and go flying off somewhere or something. | 13:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | *dry = dream | 13:10 |
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| * GeneralAntilles should read what he types. | 13:10 | |
| czr | :-) | 13:10 |
| czr | I really hate it when I wake up and can't levitate anymore. | 13:10 |
| czr | it's like "bleh, I just knew how to do that before, why doesn't it work, bleh" | 13:11 |
| pupnik | 11:08 < czr> I really hate it when I wake up and can't levitate anymore. | 13:11 |
| pupnik | quote of the day | 13:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 13:11 |
| czr | pupnik :-) | 13:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dreams, the ultimate escapism. | 13:12 |
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| * czr approves | 13:13 | |
| * GeneralAntilles wonders when the VR people are going to use that approach. | 13:14 | |
| czr | I've often wondered whether the mechanism of dreaming would be sufficiently close enough between diff people in order to record and transfer dreams | 13:14 |
| czr | or whether memories are just a lump of highly personalized parameters which wouldn't make sense when interpreted out of the original context | 13:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably the latter. | 13:15 |
| pupnik | some neural networks 'dream' when you turn off their inputs | 13:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | But the brain is a very adaptable tool. | 13:15 |
| czr | or probably both. some of the machinery is hard-wired anyway | 13:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, since we know next to shit about how the brain really dreams. Who knows? | 13:16 |
| * czr shrugs | 13:16 | |
| czr | I'd think the parameters for pain and pleasure (at least the low-level kind) would be pretty universal. anything more higher-level would depend on the context | 13:17 |
| * czr starts to modify his N810 into a low-level memory transfer device | 13:17 | |
| czr | adding stun-capabilities for the pain-part, hmmm.. | 13:17 |
| pupnik | agree with czr | 13:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Translate memories into inputs. | 13:18 |
| pupnik | but it might be possible to do Neuromancer- style sensory inputs | 13:18 |
| czr | pupnik, probably. | 13:19 |
| czr | but recording and playing back memories would be restricted to personal use only | 13:19 |
| czr | although that'd be pretty cool too | 13:19 |
| czr | unless of course playing back the memories will reinforce some paths that you'd rather forget about. | 13:19 |
| czr | "no, not the memory of last night.. nooooo" | 13:19 |
| pupnik | i'd be happy with eyeglasses that could also have a heads-up display (laser, mirror), along with a pocketable device like the Nokia tablet | 13:20 |
| pupnik | then maybe a little chording keyboard on a belt loop, or in a pocket | 13:20 |
| czr | "lazers" | 13:20 |
| czr | I'd like to have a thought -> working code thingy. I don't care whether it's in the glasses or on the belt really. | 13:20 |
| pupnik | hahaha | 13:20 |
| pupnik | but you know, a N810 is pretty cool too | 13:21 |
| * czr shrugs | 13:21 | |
| pupnik | i just wish our societies would invest more money in cool tech and less in stupid stuff | 13:21 |
| * czr agrees | 13:21 | |
| czr | although I'd rather solve the unsustainability problem first | 13:22 |
| vegai | huh, 'cool stuff' is responsible of about 90% of the stupid stuff | 13:25 |
| czr | no. stupid people are responsible of the stupid stuff | 13:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 13:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn them! | 13:29 |
| * GeneralAntilles gets to purging the gene pool. | 13:30 | |
| czr | dpkg --purge libgpool | 13:30 |
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| czr | oh, you meant that you wanted to purge _some_ of the pool? well. you should've said so :-) | 13:30 |
| Jiten_ | new weapon for parents to discourage their kids from drinking. replay the recordings when they're sober. :P | 13:30 |
| czr | Jiten_, it would work on older age as well :-) | 13:31 |
| Jiten_ | yeah, probably | 13:31 |
| czr | although it would be way cooler if the memories could be somehow transferred into a 3rd person perspective | 13:31 |
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| dneary | Hi | 15:37 |
| dneary | I have a problem with my N800 | 15:37 |
| zerojay | ok | 15:37 |
| dneary | It's not booting - stuck in a constant boot cycle | 15:38 |
| dneary | I never see that blue progress bar | 15:38 |
| Jaffa | Have you a Linux or Mac OS X box available? | 15:38 |
| dneary | I thought maybe I could boot it in singleuser mode if I plugged in the USB, maybe there's a special trick for that | 15:38 |
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| dneary | Didn't work | 15:38 |
| dneary | Jaffa: Yeah - this is an Ubuntu laptop | 15:38 |
| Jaffa | You can disable the "lifeguard reset", that may do what you need. | 15:39 |
| dneary | So now I'm downloading a firmware, with the intention of reflashing it :( | 15:39 |
| dneary | Jaffa: How do I do that? | 15:39 |
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| dneary | The question was going to be where I should download 2007.4 or 2008 beta 1 | 15:39 |
| Jaffa | dneary: with the command line flasher. Also, reflashing should fix it at the cost of data loss | 15:39 |
| dneary | OK - I have the flasher. Let me see what the interface is... | 15:40 |
| dneary | So it's --enable-rd-mode? | 15:40 |
| dneary | Any chance I can disable the boot image & see what the problem is behind? It's likely to be a failing fsck or something... | 15:41 |
| Jaffa | Not sure. | 15:42 |
| Jaffa | ISTR there's a "--disable-lifeguard-reset" | 15:42 |
| dneary | It might be a hidden option - it's not in the help for flasher-3.0 | 15:42 |
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| dneary | There's a --set-rd-flags | 15:44 |
| ed77 | Does anybody know how to check if hardware keyboard present on the device or not? I have an application which is impossible to use without keyboard and i need to check if it runs on N800 or N810. | 15:44 |
| hugolp | dneary: Ive installed 2008 beta 1 today and had no problems | 15:44 |
| hugolp | and its a big improvement over 2007 | 15:44 |
| hugolp | nicer too | 15:44 |
| Jaffa | dneary: http://osdir.com/ml/handhelds.maemo.user/2006-08/msg00129.html | 15:44 |
| dneary | OK, I'm in R&D mode, and have run " sudo ./flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags 'no-lifeguard-reset'" | 15:48 |
| dneary | It doesn't seem to work, still cycling a reboot | 15:48 |
| dneary | OK - query-rd-mode does something when you're in r&d mode | 15:49 |
| dneary | Green writing on the FB | 15:49 |
| dneary | I could flash only nolo and the kernel... | 15:50 |
| dneary | See if it's a kernel issue | 15:50 |
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| tubit | hi all. :) | 15:52 |
| tubit | I just installed OS2008 - phew, this rocks. :) | 15:53 |
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| tubit | But when I try to install UKMP from the maemo-extras, it complains about a missing library: libbz2-1.0 can't be installed - any idea which repository I have to add also?! | 15:54 |
| sp3000 | ed, there's a /apps/osso/inputmethod/have-internal-keyboard = false I see on N800 with the beta, and a /system/osso/af/keyboard-attached = false | 15:55 |
| sp3000 | ed77 ^^ | 15:55 |
| ed77 | sp3000: Thanks. I'll check it out. | 15:56 |
| sp3000 | don't know how they behave but they sound possibly useful | 15:56 |
| ed77 | # ls /system/osso/af/keyboard-attached | 15:57 |
| ed77 | nelson: /system/osso/af/keyboard-attached: No such file or directory | 15:57 |
| ed77 | :( | 15:57 |
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| ed77 | sp3000: /sys/class/input/input0/name is much better :) | 15:59 |
| ed77 | on N800 it's retu-pwrbutton, on N810 - Internal keyboard | 15:59 |
| ed77 | But i'm still not sure if it always input0 or I should check for all input devices. | 16:00 |
| ed77 | sp3000: /sys/class/input/input2/name on N800 is also 'Internal keyboard' :( | 16:02 |
| tubit | no ideas regarding the repositoy issue with Os2008 and UKMP?! | 16:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Enabling the bora repos should probably solve it, tubit. | 16:03 |
| sp3000 | ed77: gconf pathc, sorry :) | 16:03 |
| sp3000 | paths even | 16:03 |
| tubit | GeneralAntilles: i'll have to add it first I think. :) i'll try | 16:03 |
| sp3000 | ed77: e.g. gconftool -R / for the whole tree | 16:04 |
| tubit | GeneralAntilles: nope. no it complains about libreadline4 (>= 4.3-1) and libdbus 1-2 (>= 0.61) + libbz2-1.0 | 16:05 |
| tubit | GeneralAntilles: have you tryed the installation of ukmp? | 16:06 |
| ed77 | tubit: libbz2 is in chinook repo. | 16:06 |
| tubit | ed77: hmm, i believe. | 16:07 |
| dneary | Can't remember all the additional software I installed :( Outside of an xterm, xchat, the photo app, tuxpaint... | 16:07 |
| dneary | If anyone has recommendations for stuff that's really useful, I'm all ears :) | 16:07 |
| tubit | ed77: i got http://repostory.maemo.org/extras / chinook / free non-free as a catalouge | 16:08 |
| ed77 | tubit: it's chinook extras. libbz2 is in chinook. | 16:08 |
| tubit | o damn | 16:09 |
| tubit | :-$ so blind | 16:09 |
| tubit | :-D i just thought i have all repositories added no it works as expected | 16:11 |
| _berto_ | dneary: http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2007 <-- useful stuff there :) | 16:12 |
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| ed77 | sp3000: Thank you! gconftool shows that. | 16:14 |
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| dneary | Reflashed :( | 16:18 |
| dneary | Back to 0 with my user config stuff | 16:19 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 16:20 |
| pupnik | Sat Dec 1 14:18:27 UTC 2007 | 16:20 |
| * pupnik refreshes | 16:20 | |
| tubit | l8ter & thanks to help a blind man see. :-) | 16:23 |
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| [pablo] | is there a way to download maps for a given state in maemo mapper? | 16:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Frame the state and download away. | 16:49 |
| [pablo] | can i specify zoom levels? i would like to not have to worry about having a network connection ideally | 16:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Manage maps . . . | 16:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's in the menu. | 16:51 |
| [pablo] | yeah i've been in there, a bit confusing | 16:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's simple: download by area, and check the zoom levels you want. :) | 16:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll pull the area from what you have framed in the view. | 16:54 |
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| [pablo] | wow that's a lot of data | 16:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fewer zoom levels, then. | 16:55 |
| [pablo] | just one | 16:57 |
| [pablo] | one state at zoom level 4 is like 60 gigs | 16:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | zoom level 4 is tiny | 16:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | You shouldn't be doing much lower than 10 for a whole state. | 16:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | 4 is barely a few city blocks. | 16:58 |
| [pablo] | even just my city at 4 is 3 gigs | 16:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, like I said, 4 is way too low | 16:59 |
| [pablo] | 4 is what i would use when driving | 16:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | 6 is a better bet for detail of local areas. | 16:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you use 1.4? | 16:59 |
| [pablo] | 1.4 zoom level? | 16:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, version 1.4 of mm | 16:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | gnuite added a bunch of zoom levels to 2.0, so 1.4 4 is 9 in 2.0 | 17:00 |
| [pablo] | oh, no .. 2.2 i believe | 17:00 |
| [pablo] | 6 is far more reasonable in size | 17:02 |
| [pablo] | 4 just seemed more natural i guess | 17:03 |
| [pablo] | oh well | 17:03 |
| [pablo] | thank you =) | 17:05 |
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| fysa | can you use maemo mapper without GPS? | 17:17 |
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| lopz | hola | 17:23 |
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| zoran | hey, alterego! remember talk about run levels on system V? the correct command is "who -r" | 17:39 |
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| kulve | fysa: at least you can use the "Map" in os2008 without gps.. | 17:55 |
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| edt | anyone have plans to build pwsafe for os2008? | 18:05 |
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| * pupnik ponders xrandr and xsp | 18:09 | |
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| hugolp | kulve: I installed os2008 this morning and "Maps" refuse to start because it cant find the memory card | 18:17 |
| kulve | it's stupid | 18:17 |
| hugolp | do I need to download some maps or what? | 18:17 |
| hugolp | btw, OS2008 is much better | 18:17 |
| kulve | it says also "downloading maps failed" if there's not enough space on the mmc | 18:17 |
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| kulve | and it also seems to be able to use only the internal card | 18:17 |
| hugolp | oh, I see | 18:18 |
| zoran | do you have memory card in fstab? | 18:18 |
| hugolp | so I need to have the internal card to use maps | 18:18 |
| hugolp | your right thats stupid | 18:18 |
| kulve | hugolp: yes (afaik) | 18:18 |
| kulve | (maybe a link would do also..) | 18:18 |
| kulve | but now I'm off | 18:18 |
| hugolp | and anyone know how to jump in LXDoom? | 18:19 |
| hugolp | XD | 18:19 |
| zoran | does app use hard coded target place to save maps? | 18:19 |
| xan | hugolp, there is no jump in Doom | 18:21 |
| hugolp | xan: then how do you get out of the first screen? | 18:22 |
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| zuh | through the door? | 18:23 |
| hugolp | the door thats behind you on the start? | 18:23 |
| hugolp | so how do I open doors? cause what Ive tried didnt work | 18:24 |
| * halley wonders if this is a job for google. | 18:24 | |
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| xan | hugolp, I'm fairly sure there's plenty of Doom walkthroughs if you look for them ;) | 18:26 |
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| hugolp | found it :-P | 18:26 |
| Silicium | hi there | 18:26 |
| Silicium | anyone have | 18:26 |
| hugolp | didnt saw it this morning | 18:26 |
| hugolp | :-P | 18:26 |
| Silicium | anyone have | 18:26 |
| Silicium | damn | 18:26 |
| derf | No. | 18:27 |
| Silicium | RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 18:27 |
| Silicium | so :) | 18:27 |
| derf | I gave all my damns. | 18:27 |
| Silicium | the nokia server is so slow | 18:27 |
| Silicium | shaped | 18:27 |
| derf | There's probably a torrent if you search for it. | 18:27 |
| Silicium | this is not faster | 18:27 |
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| svu_ | anyone seen subversion port for os2008 ? | 18:32 |
| elb | I would not expect a standard POSIX non-X11 utility to require a port, as such | 18:35 |
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| svu_ | elb: I tried installing os2007 deb - failed. rebuilding is a bit too much hassle for a moment. especially if there is a chance to find someone who already built that popular tool | 18:39 |
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| elb | oh, just a package | 18:46 |
| L0cutus_ | mmm i have rebuild the findutils for os2007, but they conflicts with the busybox findutils :-\ | 18:52 |
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| bmidgley | anyone using maemo mapper on hacker edition? | 18:56 |
| bmidgley | maemo mapper 2.x won't connect to either of my gps units | 18:56 |
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| pupnik | http://www.nokia.de/link?cid=PLAIN_TEXT_243261 hahaha nokia.de advertising the 770 for 349 euro :) | 19:02 |
| pupnik | $524 dollars | 19:03 |
| truent | sounds about right | 19:03 |
| truent | ;p | 19:03 |
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| truent | anyone use libconic or dbus with ruby-maemo? | 19:07 |
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| pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/tablet101/2007/11/08/the-nokia-n810-walkthrough/ /me watches... again | 19:10 |
| shacka1 | anyone managed to download the maps with os2008 ? | 19:16 |
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| shacka1 | it ivariably fails here after a couple of minutes | 19:16 |
| pupnik | make sure you have plenty of free space | 19:18 |
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| pupnik | i think the download might require 2x the map size free | 19:18 |
| shacka1 | mm, I have 500+ Mb free, maps are 231Mb | 19:22 |
| shacka1 | pupnik: 'maps' uses the internal card, right? | 19:23 |
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| L0cutus | anyone have ported mc (midnight commander) to os2007 ? | 19:27 |
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| elb | heh I didn't realize the 810 was quite *that* tiny | 19:31 |
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| lardman | Anyone know of a way to check the abi used by a piece of code? | 19:32 |
| pupnik | working on Ogl? | 19:33 |
| lardman | yep | 19:33 |
| lardman | getting rather confused by a certain function cal | 19:33 |
| lardman | call | 19:33 |
| lardman | wondering if the code is actually eabi rather than oabi that I'd assumed from the libc age | 19:34 |
| Jaffa | lardman: file(1) sometimes says. Perhaps objdump or something else from binutils? | 19:34 |
| elb | by abi, do you mean calling convention? | 19:34 |
| elb | if so, it's probably marked in some fashion in the ELF headers | 19:34 |
| lardman | elb: yes | 19:35 |
| lardman | I'll have to do some more looking at those | 19:35 |
| elb | if it's not, you can probably figure it out by dumping a few small functions and looking to see how they treat arguments/etc. | 19:35 |
| elb | (particularly if there are only a couple of possibilities) | 19:35 |
| elb | elfutils may help you | 19:35 |
| elb | (I assume the maemo stuff is actually ELF) | 19:36 |
| lardman | hmm, looks like long longs are handled differently, but not sure about int/longs | 19:36 |
| lardman | http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/1/12/175 | 19:36 |
| lardman | looking at create_proc_entry(), which should take 3 inputs, they don't seem to line up | 19:37 |
| Jaffa | elb: it is ELF | 19:37 |
| lardman | is the gcc compiler crafty enough to ldr a value which is actually an instruction? | 19:37 |
| lardman | assuming the value is a constant | 19:38 |
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| lardman | e.g. LDR R1, =loc_xxxx, where loc_xxxx is actually a jump label | 19:41 |
| lardman | hmm, thought that should actually load the address. Hmm, have to find my asm book | 19:42 |
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| GNUton | Hi! | 19:46 |
| SignalN800 | hi | 19:46 |
| GNUton | is maemo garage down? | 19:46 |
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| GNUton | maemo garage seems down.. | 19:48 |
| GNUton | :( | 19:48 |
| GNUton | i can't commit my work on SVN! :( DAMN! | 19:48 |
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| GNUton | Ping 62.61.85.38 | 19:51 |
| GNUton | [www.maemo.org] | 19:51 |
| GNUton | Timed out | 19:51 |
| pupnik | !repositories? | 19:51 |
| pupnik | !date | 19:52 |
| pupnik | hmm no bot action at all now | 19:52 |
| halley | Good. | 19:52 |
| halley | Bots suck. | 19:52 |
| rip__ | Hi :) | 19:52 |
| GNUton | Hi rip__! | 19:53 |
| rip__ | does any one know if its possible to pass commands for making files in Mud ? aside from the Default make make install | 19:53 |
| rip__ | for makefiles* | 19:53 |
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| rip__ | EG. im trying to just build the plugins for OLSRd from the tarball which requires instead of , make && make install to be say - make libs && make install-libs | 19:56 |
| rip__ | is that where the "<configure-append>…</configure-append>" comes into the package.xml ? | 19:58 |
| rip__ | just questions if no know thats thats fine :D | 19:58 |
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| svu | what happened to svn indeed? | 20:15 |
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| Ar-ras | hi | 20:16 |
| Ar-ras | Got a problem with my N800 @ IT OS2008 | 20:16 |
| Ar-ras | I cant login anywhere | 20:16 |
| Ar-ras | skype,htaccess, normal password protected forums | 20:17 |
| Ar-ras | Doesnt work :( | 20:17 |
| GNUton | switch off Caps lock! :P | 20:18 |
| Ar-ras | Caps Lock and the shift team are at home | 20:19 |
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| Ar-ras | mmh | 20:23 |
| Ar-ras | Seems to work if i use my bt keyboard | 20:24 |
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| |R | Ar-ras : how is the typing any different with the onscreen keyboard? you use the small one? when you type a pass all the letter are correct before being masked (*) ? | 20:25 |
| sp3000 | |R: there's a bug | 20:26 |
| |R | sp3000 : oh? :| | 20:26 |
| sp3000 | yeah, you actually get *s :) | 20:26 |
| sp3000 | bug 2263 | 20:27 |
| |R | haha | 20:27 |
| |R | that's good... :P | 20:27 |
| |R | how is this a low priority? :P | 20:28 |
| |R | sounds critical to me ... | 20:28 |
| |R | but anyway :) | 20:29 |
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| sp3000 | meh, just imagine disused fields don't exist :) | 20:30 |
| elb | yeah, Pidgin users get all worked up over our priority field, too | 20:31 |
| elb | of course, every user thinks *their* bug should be highest priority, which is why we don't use that field ;-) | 20:31 |
| |R | hehe | 20:32 |
| |R | but that's a core system issue... | 20:32 |
| |R | just replace low,medium, etc... by extas software, useful software, system software, core software.. | 20:33 |
| |R | :P | 20:33 |
| khertan | stage.maemo.org still exist ? | 20:34 |
| khertan | i can't connect it ... | 20:34 |
| khertan | (http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HildonDesktopPortability) | 20:34 |
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| timelyx | khertan: what do you need? | 20:42 |
| timelyx | khertan: were you the pymaemo consumer? | 20:42 |
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| timelyx | did you get my note that python-hildon won't install :) | 20:43 |
| Ar-ras | so it is not only my problem? | 20:43 |
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| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: gecko likes to steal focus, but microb seems to be even more often | 20:47 |
| timelyx | believe me, it's annoying, if i can figure out how to make it stop, i will | 20:47 |
| timelyx | kaltsi: advertise http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/ instead | 20:49 |
| timelyx | it's much better for browsing the repository :) | 20:49 |
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| timelyx | czr: i cheated, svn up -N let me get README | 20:51 |
| timelyx | czr: actually, the maemo-all repository ran me out of quota space | 20:51 |
| timelyx | so some portions of maemo-all are svn switched to a virtually empty directory | 20:51 |
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| * timelyx wonders if someone killed _monkey | 20:52 | |
| * timelyx reads the obituary | 20:53 | |
| |R | yep | 20:53 |
| |R | but .... who... with what instrument... and in which room? taaad daaaaa! | 20:54 |
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| soothsayer | How much space does a scratchbox installation + chinook development environment without debug packages take? | 20:55 |
| lmoura | timelyx, any problem with python-hildon? | 20:57 |
| maddler | evening all | 20:57 |
| |R | du -scm /scratchbox/ -> 1937 MB | 20:59 |
| soothsayer | Ouch | 21:00 |
| zuh | Mine was 6GB the other day... ;) | 21:00 |
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| timelyx | ds3: fwiw it's 770|n8[10]0 | 21:02 |
| elb | if you've run a scratchbox, you'll want to use -x on that du | 21:03 |
| elb | because /proc et al. can show up as quite large under some circumstances | 21:03 |
| elb | (that said, my scratchbox is also about 1.7GB for chinook x86 + arm) | 21:03 |
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| elb | hmmm my du seems to be smart enough to know that /proc has no size | 21:04 |
| elb | /dev does confuse it, still | 21:04 |
| timelyx | acydlord: how do you propose to test a program? | 21:04 |
| timelyx | i'll give you a "simple" example, ;-). suppose i want to upload "microb" or "minefield" | 21:04 |
| timelyx | how do you "test" it? :) | 21:05 |
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| mgb | i've been searching around for ways to boot the n800 in runlevel 3, anyone know how to do this? i've looked at inittab but no clues, can someone help? | 21:17 |
| trenka | mgb: why do you need runlevel 3 ? | 21:18 |
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| mgb | i have no use for any graphical display, just want to boot to terminal - kismet development and i want to see if any power savings in a lower runlevel | 21:19 |
| trenka | n800 does not have framebuffer console | 21:20 |
| trenka | moreover, 'runlevel 3' for non-X boot is a RedHat way | 21:21 |
| khertan | timelyx: i try to get | 21:21 |
| trenka | n800 has debian based system | 21:21 |
| khertan | timelyx: i try to get the current python binding for hildon-desktop | 21:21 |
| khertan | the current svn developpment version | 21:22 |
| soothsayer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runlevel#Debian_Linux | 21:22 |
| mgb | so is runlevel 2 what i'm after - is it actually possible | 21:22 |
| khertan | i ll come back in ten minute | 21:22 |
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| pupnik | debian also uses runlevel 3 for console | 21:23 |
| lmoura | khertan, https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/python-hildondesktop/ | 21:23 |
| pupnik | trenka> n800 does not have framebuffer console | 21:23 |
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| pupnik | so no 'runlevel 2' or 3 possible afaik | 21:24 |
| timelyx | zerojay: google browser sync handles bookmarks :) | 21:25 |
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| khertan | lmoura: it was down 10minutes before ... | 21:30 |
| khertan | thanks | 21:30 |
| lmoura | np | 21:30 |
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| ds3 | good point, there are no N710 or N700's ;) | 21:35 |
| mgb | thanks for the help | 21:35 |
| mgb | can you buy n810 in the UK yet? | 21:35 |
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| timelyx | lmoura: it requires some version of hildonlibs i don't have | 21:37 |
| timelyx | mgb: you'll need to disable the lifeguard, flasher is probably your friend | 21:38 |
| lmoura | timelyx, what version? (Are you using bora/chinook/another one?) | 21:39 |
| timelyx | ds3: it's Nokia 770, not Nokia N770 :( | 21:39 |
| timelyx | lmoura: an old 2006 :) | 21:39 |
| timelyx | 2.2006.39-14 :) | 21:40 |
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| timelyx | can anyone here log into maemo.org? | 21:46 |
| khertan | i can't | 21:46 |
| khertan | pfffff i can't compile nothing that require python on the vmware sdk .... ! And python2.5 is installed ! | 21:47 |
| lmoura | khertan, check if python2.5-dev is installed | 21:48 |
| khertan | timelyx: i can't log into maemo.org ... since 3 or 5 hours | 21:48 |
| timelyx | try again now, i just got in | 21:49 |
| timelyx | lmoura: can you get me a version of python2.5-hildon that'll work on my 770? :) | 21:49 |
| khertan | lmoura: python | 21:49 |
| khertan | lmoura: python2.5-dev is installed ... | 21:49 |
| khertan | but ./configure claim that no suitable python interpreter founf | 21:50 |
| khertan | timelyx: now i can log in ;) | 21:51 |
| lmoura | khertan, try PYTHON=python2.5 ./configure.... | 21:51 |
| lmoura | timelyx, I don't have the 2.2 SDK installed here | 21:51 |
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| khertan | python check passed now but i get many sem_post : Function not implemented and then checking for PYGOBJECT Package requirements were not met | 21:54 |
| khertan | so i think i ll wait 5 or 6 months before a binding for python-hildondesktop would be available. | 21:55 |
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| lmoura | khertan, that's a problem with qemu | 22:06 |
| lmoura | http://maemogeek.blogspot.com/2007/11/installing-qemu-arm-eabi-patch-into.html | 22:08 |
| khertan | lmoura: it s so borring to use the sdk ... i ll return to my python dev ... and waiting that the hildondesktop binding is available | 22:09 |
| khertan | but thanks for your help | 22:09 |
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| ds3 | timelyx: did not know the 'N' notation only applies to the newer ones | 22:16 |
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| sp3000 | morning timelyx | 22:26 |
| sp3000 | the max_entries tip in http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/9/ won't do a thing :) | 22:26 |
| sp3000 | (with that link anyway) | 22:27 |
| sp3000 | http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvsblame.cgi?file=/mozilla/docshell/shistory/src/nsSHistory.cpp#223 | 22:28 |
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| timelyx | oh brother | 22:30 |
| sp3000 | apparently that had ui once and people set it to silly values | 22:30 |
| timelyx | you mean like the geniuses we have ? :) | 22:30 |
| sp3000 | or some ns7-age release caused it to be set to silly values when users installed random software on top of other random software | 22:31 |
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| timelyx | of 1000 messages, i've found 1 that i needed | 22:33 |
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| hugolp | anyone has tried the FM Radio desktop applet from OS2007 on OS2008 (N800)? | 22:44 |
| hugolp | never mind | 22:45 |
| hugolp | is there any way to play the N800 fm radio on OS2008? | 22:45 |
| pupnik | duno | 22:47 |
| timelyx | there's a python script floating around | 22:48 |
| timelyx | i'd try it if i cared | 22:48 |
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| hugolp | timelyx: where about is floating around? | 22:51 |
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| timelyx | try a bug complaining that the kernel doesn't support japanese radio ranges | 22:54 |
| hugolp | yeah right | 22:55 |
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| kulve | http://pycage.blogspot.com/2007/11/n800s-fm-radio-now-works-in-japan.html | 22:56 |
| hpg101 | hi all, just got my n800, am *nix savvy. can i ask some newbie questions here? | 22:57 |
| kulve | there's a link to http://pyfmradio.garage.maemo.org/, which says "pyFMRadio is a pure Python module for controlling the tea5761 FM tuner chip on the Nokia N800 internet tablet. The other internet tablets Nokia 770 and Nokia N810 don't have a FM tuner chip." | 22:57 |
| hugolp | it wasnt a joke? | 22:57 |
| kulve | hpg101: don't ask if you can ask, just ask and hope somebody answers.. | 22:58 |
| kulve | hugolp: no | 22:58 |
| hugolp | haha, though timelyx was joking about the japanese radio ranges... | 22:58 |
| hugolp | thanks | 22:58 |
| K`zan | Does that mean that there will not be an fmradio release for 2008? | 23:00 |
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| * K`zan eagerly awaiting that :-) | 23:00 | |
| hpg101 | so i connect my n800 to my ibook via ucb, move a file onto the "noname" device, but can't then find it on the n800 with find in xterm. any idea where in the n800 file system the file went? | 23:01 |
| kulve | hpg101: /media/mmc1 (or mmc2) | 23:01 |
| kulve | they are both shown to linux. Dunno which one ibook mounts by default.. | 23:01 |
| kulve | hpg101: and that's not mounted in the n800 when the usb is connected | 23:02 |
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| kulve | so, the mmcX is shown in one computer at a time.. | 23:02 |
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| hpg101 | mmc2 -- i thought i checked there, thanx | 23:04 |
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| hpg101 | i want to make my n800 as *nix-y as possible. is the advice to wait for os2008 official before loading up apps? | 23:06 |
| shacka1 | what does *nix-y mean? | 23:07 |
| hpg101 | linux, unix, etc | 23:07 |
| shacka1 | yes, but what does it mean? | 23:08 |
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| GNUton | hi! | 23:12 |
| hpg101 | right. in addition to the maemo apps, i want to be able to drop back into a linux frame of mind. like i need a scripting language. my pref is perl. need text editor for such; prefer emacs. does that help | 23:12 |
| hpg101 | i've got ssh so i can reach my university linux boxes when needed | 23:14 |
| hpg101 | and if i got it right, maemo is the cross-platform development system, but does also refer to the n800 window manager as maemo? | 23:17 |
| K`zan | We Got Snow! | 23:18 |
| SignalN800 | hi guys ... | 23:19 |
| K`zan | Rare here :). | 23:19 |
| SignalN800 | where i can found osso-bookmark-menu ?? | 23:19 |
| SignalN800 | i need it for mozilla browser | 23:19 |
| SignalN800 | but, i don't found it :/ | 23:20 |
| SignalN800 | no idea? | 23:21 |
| hpg101 | is there a way to get control chars in xterm? | 23:21 |
| pupnik | yes - under menu->terminal | 23:22 |
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| hpg101 | thanx pupnik; a bit long-winded, but works | 23:24 |
| pupnik | to make your n800 more unix-y i recommend a bluetooth keyboard | 23:24 |
| halley | pupnik, to make an n800 more unix-y, just ssh into the thing ;) | 23:25 |
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| pupnik | pulling the 770 + keyboard out at my local bar always gets a conversation started | 23:26 |
| K`zan | pupnik: Which keyboard did you get? | 23:27 |
| pupnik | thinkoutside stowaway | 23:27 |
| K`zan | Thanks! Probably what I will get eventually. | 23:28 |
| pupnik | nokia's looks pretty nice too - wish i could have tried a few | 23:28 |
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| hpg101 | yes. just ordered the iGo Stowaway; hope it works | 23:28 |
| K`zan | $60 from amazon :) | 23:30 |
| pupnik | cheap | 23:30 |
| K`zan | Wow, FAT snowflakes, lovely :-)... | 23:33 |
| K`zan | Just floating around out there :) | 23:33 |
| K`zan | Something we don't see in seattle often. | 23:33 |
| K`zan | LOTS of fat flakes :). | 23:34 |
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| hpg101 | is there any way for the clock to put up a live time icon in perhaps the application switcher area | 23:39 |
| acydlord | it would b nice to replace "return to home" with the time | 23:40 |
| acydlord | cause i think we all know what homes does in the switcher | 23:40 |
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| melmoth | anybody using python2.5 and gnome module for os2008 ? | 23:41 |
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| melmoth | i have python2.5-gnome installed, but 'from gnome import gconf' fails with a "no module named gnome" | 23:42 |
| melmoth | this works on os2007 | 23:42 |
| e-squizo | and while we are in python... what do I have to install on scratchbox to get pygtk working? | 23:43 |
| melmoth | e-squizo: be sure you ahve the extra-repository set | 23:44 |
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| melmoth | then apt-get install python2.5-runtime | 23:44 |
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| melmoth | this should install all you need | 23:44 |
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| sbz | hi melmoth | 23:44 |
| melmoth | kikoooo | 23:45 |
| lmoura | melmoth, there was some problems with the gnome package, missing some __init__.py files | 23:45 |
| sbz | it was long time, without seen you | 23:45 |
| melmoth | indeed. | 23:46 |
| e-squizo | melmoth: thanks! | 23:46 |
| lmoura | melmoth, touch /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gnome/__init__.py | 23:47 |
| sbz | melmoth: welcome back :) | 23:47 |
| * pupnik refreshes | 23:47 | |
| melmoth | lmoura: works ! thanks | 23:48 |
| soothsayer | What are the Nokia EUSA binaries? | 23:52 |
| hpg101 | in the standard browser, tap and hold on a google map scrolls the window. how do i tell my n800 to scroll the map | 23:56 |
| zerojay | Use the arrows displayed in the map. | 23:57 |
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