IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2007-09-26

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KungPhoouhm... how would the n800 compare to the GP2X, maybe?00:21
pupnikthere are enough games, but it is not a gaming device00:22
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alteregoYeah, it's not really got input's for the kind of games you'd normally play on the GP2X00:31
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KungPhooenough power, though?00:32
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KungPhooand how compares the 770 to the n800 in case of speed?00:34
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alteregoThe N800 seems significantly quicker in my opinion.00:36
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KungPhoohow wide is the display in cm?00:45
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JuhazKungPhoo, it's the same display00:47
t_s_oabout that fcc report earlier. did anyone try to get the barcode of the pdf?00:47
KungPhooI don't have no device, yet00:47
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pupnik4.5 cm?00:48
pupnikoh no that's inches00:48
KungPhoothat's the 4way dpad?00:48
pupniki swear i've gotten diagnoals with the pad00:49
pupnikmaybe it was a software trick00:49
pupnikif you're going to spend more than 30% of your time on the device wishing you could play platform/action games, then i wouldn't advise it00:50
pupnikbut it's definitely a more useful device than a gp2x of course00:50
Juhazit's about 9x5.5cm00:50
KungPhoono, just an idea. I am the developer from www.glbasic.com00:50
pupnikoh nice :)00:51
pupnikmaybe we'll get gl for the tablets someday00:51
KungPhooi basically want a high resolution bible reader. The n800 seems perfect, but the software is not, yet00:51
KungPhooI support PocketPC and GP2X - n800 shouldn't be much of a problem00:52
pupnikah nice00:52
KungPhoohard decission00:53
KungPhooI could get a Bsquare maui phone with 640x480 for the price of an 77000:54
SE-Wilco2There is a something labeled a bible reader in Applications list but I haven't tried it.  The web browser probably works for local text files, so there are several ways to look at text.00:55
KungPhooI've seen it. It's very minimalistic so far00:55
KungPhooon pocketpc I'd get a full featured program00:56
KungPhoootoh, the display is muuuch smaller and only 640x48000:56
guardiandamn, some people have 24 years of development experience and still cannot read ;)00:57
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SE-Wilco2What can't I read?  Or should I write something so I can read?01:06
KungPhooread this: äöüöäö"§$%"§%*'01:07
SE-Wilco2I read it and it started to rain.01:08
* SE-Wilco2 admires KP's typing skill.01:08
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* SE-Wilco2 installs netcat, connects a named pipe to an IP, feeds input from pipe to flite, starts Opera, cuts and pastes KP's text, and the N800 reads it.01:09
KungPhoothat was my head banging on the KB. I'd better get some sleep ;)01:10
pupnikyou forgot to pipe it through 'jive'01:10
pupnikWhat it is!01:10
SE-Wilco2KP's KB not OK.01:11
SE-Wilco2KP's KB not OK and not in OK.01:11
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SE-Wilco2Ooooooooooooklahoma! Where the wind comes blowing across the KB.01:12
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rjt69Apparently, the Nokias are not powerful enough for OpenOffice ... so i guess this might not be the place to ask for handwriting capabilities in OO.01:51
guardianwhat do you mean by handwriting capabilities in OO ?01:52
rjt69Does anybody have a gauge on optimizations that can be done in OpenOffice compilations to make smaller and faster for Nokia.01:52
rjt69When you want to handwrite into OpenOffice, you can do it?  Handwriting recognition into text.01:53
guardianwhy can't you ?01:53
guardiani guess the input method is available to open office, although i did not try it on the tablet01:53
ds2what about a graffiti1 type input method for maemo?01:53 is so bloated now, I doubt you could make it fit on the nokia01:54
rjt69     seems to indicate OpenOffice is too big.  Discussion recommends AbiWord.01:54
rjt69i don't have a Nokia at the moment so i don't know what is capable / not capable.01:54
guardiands2: what about natural handwriting recognition instead ? :)01:55
ds2guardian: is there one that works well even on a desktop class CPU?01:55
rjt69i have noticed EmperorLinux touts handwriting recognition, i wonder if OneLaptopPerChild does too.01:56
guardiani'm coding it :)01:56
rjt69Guardian, do you have a website for your project?01:57
guardiannite, ++01:59
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t_s_owhy is it that the internal mail reader in os2006 turns & into "?03:41
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unique311i've mastered very easy sudoku...04:59
unique311time for easy04:59
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unique311guess its an accomplishment for me to be proud of only.05:01
unique311no congratulations.05:02
SEWilco3+1+1 = 5 with dupes.  That's no Sudoku.05:02
unique311whats sudoku then?05:03
SEWilcoI was making a joke about the numbers needed for a Sudoku.05:04
unique311i was one to watch people on the trains going to work playing sudoku, and was like wtf is so interesting about the game.05:06
unique311i got bit by the bug.05:06
unique311at least i gave up solitaire.05:06
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unique311question, wimax...a new N800 will hit the shelves because of wimax.05:07
unique311now for the older n800 will they some sort of piece that users can buy for this wimax05:09
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SEWilcoHmm.  I got a larger SD card, and I want to eject my "external" SD card.  I have no swap on it and I umounted it.  I seem to have to "eject" command in busybox.  Is there anything I should do before pulling the card?05:11
unique311when you open the rubber piece05:11
unique311it umounts the card05:11
unique311same thing happens with the back cover05:12
SEWilcoOh.  That would make a GPS SD device awkward to try.05:12
unique311not sure if it umounts...but you can no longer access the card.05:12
SEWilcoFingernails, don't fail me now.05:12
unique311i guess you can look for the sensor, and try to push it down..05:13
unique311if you can close the cover after you insert your gps SD.  should word..05:16
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unique311so you think nokia is going to look out for the older N800 users, and hopefully have it where the older N800 can do wimax?05:17
SEWilcoCard mounted OK.  Hmm. Doesn't want to put swap on it, and doesn't know about internal card.  Must be confused by root-mounted internal.  I'll try manually configuring swap on the internal card.05:18
dolskeunique311: I don't see why they would, nor would I expect it. Software's one thing, major hardware changes to a platform that's basically not expandable is something else.05:19
SEWilcoPeople are already amazed at the N800 WiFi range.  I'm sure the components are too integrated in the device for upgrading.  Any phones with wimax which can do WiFi to an N800?05:22
unique311the usb psp has lots of peripherals for that type of usb female port.  Mean to tell me thats a major hardware change to make a device that you can plug into the usb port.  but then again, video chat was one of the reasons i brought the N800 and they are having issues with that.05:23
unique311   psp camera05:24
unique311    psp keyboard05:24
unique311      psp gps reciever05:25
unique311thats actually cool, wonder if that can work with the n800 ^^05:26
SEWilcoDoes the N800 USB port need external power?05:26
dolskeDid Nokia ever say the N800's usb was for using it as a host?05:27
unique311Not sure, did they?05:28
dolskeafaik, no. Not that it doesn't suck. :-)05:28
unique311most likely didn't say it about the 770 neither..05:29
SEWilcoNice idea, that PSP screw next to the USB port to hold stuff in place.  Let's see... if I remove the stand connector there's a solid hole there for a mod...05:29
unique311it won't make the distance.05:29
unique311and dolske is right..05:29
unique311about the host thing.05:29
SEWilcoOh, simpler.  I drill a hole in the stand connector for a screw mount, and machine the stand to make a hole for access to the USB port.05:30
SEWilcoDoes dolske's no mean "no it does not need external power" or "no it does need external power"?05:31
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unique311no nokia did make the usb port for use as host.05:31
unique311yes it needs external power...with the hack thats out..05:31
unique311google usb host n800 should give hits05:32
SEWilcoMaybe I need a fatter back for more battery power then.  That's fine, I could mount USB devices on a custom back panel anyway.05:32
dolskewell, the point I was making was that unless Nokia said/implied that the USB port was for host mode operation, it's hard to expect them to support future expansion through it.05:32
unique311i know.05:33
dolskethat the hardware actually supports it (sort of) but is disabled is another issue. :)05:33
SEWilcoSimple way to mount USB stuff is velcro to the back, with a thin USB cable under the desk stand or through a slot cut in the stand.05:33
SEWilcoThe PSP's USB GPS is cute, but I think I'll use a BT one.  They're cheap enough, and one with logging will let me take GPS readings without using N800 battery (such as when walking and taking pictures with camera).05:36
unique311forgot my ebay account05:38
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SEWilcoWhat are "Level 1" sounds different from "Level 2"?05:40
infobotSEWilco meant: How are "Level 1" sounds different from "Level 2"?05:40
SEWilcoGoogle finds an odd assortment for "N800 "level 2" sounds" but nothing relevant.05:42
* SEWilco enables Level 2 sounds and hopes nothing sounds like a bear.05:44
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HviidHi can somebody help me, I'm very new at this, but I've got a Nokia N800, and I would like it to execute a file at startup, which file should I set that up in?09:48
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HviidDoes anybody know?09:59
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shadovI haven't tried it myself, but I'd start by gaining root and then looking into init scripts10:02
dortoif there is /etc/.profile on N800, it should be executed at start-up10:04
Hviidthx, I'll look at that, when I get home :D10:06
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pupnik"I notice the external photos only have a 45 day confidentiality, so perhaps we will see some official pictures some time in November."10:13
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JaffaMorning, all11:01
JaffaSo, lots of exciting discussion about the RX-44 last night?11:01
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pupniknot that i saw11:11
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pupnikjust 1 mention and a link11:11
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pupnik Also now the [B]*dpad center button no longer pauses the game*[/B], which was hugely annoying.11:32
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pupniknew Kobo Deluxe build - now with 3% less /suck/.11:37
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hennowhat is the easiest way to get root on os2007he?11:54
dpb_probably the same as normal os200711:55
Jaffai.e. install becomeroot11:55
onionhenno: install ssh c/s and ssh root@localhost11:56
inzI prefer the R&D ;)11:56
hennowhat is the benefit of the R&D?11:56
inzYou can then use sudo gainroot ;)11:57
inzBut it's just because it survives a reflash and I reflash quite often11:57
hennosounds good to me11:57
hennoi plan on reflashing often, for it I don't break it, I'll never learn a thing :)11:58
infobothenno meant: i plan on reflashing often, for if I don't break it, I'll never learn a thing :)11:59
inzr&d -mode is enabled with the flasher tool12:00
inzFor getting root, it is enough to just enable it12:00
inzIt's also easier to start up the device when it is in r&d -mode ;)12:01
hennohmm where can I get e2fsprogs for os2007he12:05
hennotrying to clone the os to my new MMC12:05
inzhenno, deb bora free12:07
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lardmanno idle speculation about RX-44?12:42
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X-Fadelardman: Other than there have been photos of it from june?12:45
lardmanI was thinking this:
X-FadeYeah, but RX-44 has been spotted in june already? Just a N800?12:47
lardmanWell that was an N800 (RX-34 iirc) running software marked as being for an RX-44 if you look at the photo12:47
lardmanI don't know where the boot screen gets its "product" string from12:48
lardmanmight just be wishful thinking on my part though12:50
X-FadeHeh. :)12:51
lardmanHow long before the N800/770 releases were the FCC documents filed?12:54
pupnikITOS finds icons/menu entries for apps that don't install menu entries, after several hours12:57
hennoum.. what?12:58
hennoand how12:58
pupniki don't know - i install the apps12:58
pupnikno menu entry appears12:58
pupnika few hours later a menu entry is there12:59
* henno queues 'twilight zone' music12:59
hennothat sounds ever so strange12:59
lardmanwhat kind of apps are these?13:00
pupnikapps not properly maemoized13:00
pupnikdosbox, knot's player, the mana world, pingus, gqview13:00
lardmanperhaps it has a metacrawler-lookfornewbutbadlyconstructedapps daemon too13:00
pupnikyeah it's funny13:01
hennolardman: haha13:01
pupnikit installs these menu items which do nothing13:01
lardmanstrange, because it must recognise something about them, otherwise all the binaries in /usr/bin would have links created for them13:01
hennopupnik: you sure there are no stray *.desktop files or something ending up in some obscure directory somewhere that perhaps is not parsed by ITOS for some time?13:02
pupnikeyah its probebaly desktop files13:02
pupniki dunno - it's just funny13:02
hennosure sounds like it13:03
lardmanwell that's odd too, as you'd have thought some kind of "update-start-menu" script would be run straight after the app manager is closed13:03
hennoi am no maemo expert by a long shot, but usually there are menu entries, or there are not. None of this disappearing-reappearing stuff13:03
lardmanunless you installed some of them from the command line, perhaps that doesn't trigger the start menu update13:03
pupnikah y-- dpkg -i13:06
pupnik  /me tries to imagine playing with those buttzons with thumb - too small on 770/N800 screen?  i think i can hit em13:09
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lardmanwhittle your thumb down ;)13:10
hennopupnik: are you running os2006 or os2007?13:10
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* henno nods13:11
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pupnikold habits die hard -- i use gqview on the tablet :)13:12
toedwhat's 2006se?13:14
pupnika os13:17
toedbut it's different from 2006?13:18
pupniknah it's just the 2nd release of 200613:19
henno[s]econd [e]dition?13:19
toedso it's probably the thing that was already on my 770?13:20
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lardmanurgh, got to go to the dentist, see you all later on13:27
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pupnikyes toed13:27
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hennogood stuff, new 2gb mmc arrived today, cloned the OS and all is well.. time to fill that sucker up13:28
Big_Bgood morning .~(ugt)13:29
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_Monkeyhi, pupnik13:29
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pupniki'm so psyched about the streaming transcoding video archive player13:30
Big_BPupnik : Actually i need some brief help as i m newbie . Would you like to help me ?13:31
pupnikhow is your program coming along Big_B ?13:32
Big_Bplease tell me how can i build a deb package (from very beginning). pls13:33
pupnikthe funniest part is Big_B is getting paid to work on this13:36
hennothat would make you a subcontractor then pupnik13:36
pupnikno offense, Big_B13:37
Big_Bwhat ? i cant understand pupnik.13:37
pupnik use dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b to build packages13:37
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pupniki think -nc option will prevent the script from running 'make clean' - in case you only change a few files13:38
Big_Bpupnik : i am a university student . and this is my project.13:38
pupnikok sorry13:38
pupniki have to make proper packages also13:39
pupnikjust avoiding it13:39
Big_B no problem . You r helping me that is a great thing for me13:40
hennoI think a scratchbox is the way to go, but for me, installing debian is not worth the hassle at this point13:40
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kulveSB doesn't need debian13:49
kulveand on windows it can be run in vmware (afaik)13:50
hennokulve: I realise that, but I run arch linux, and it has proven to be a darn pain to get working13:51
JaffaInteresting point about the RX-44: the FCC filing tests would seem to be against a semi-normal IT OS 2007 build13:51
hennoI could of course install vmware, and load the image that is floating around the torrent trackers, but meh13:51
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guardiani installed scratchbox using the script provided on when i installed bora 3.1 sdk15:26
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guardiannow that i want to give chinook a test, do i need to upgrade scratchbox ?15:26
guardiani'm worried upgrading scrachtbox might break my existing dev setup, and i would like to code for both 3.2 and 4.015:27
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pupnik__how about this one?
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alteregoOh this is frustrating ..16:36
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pupnikU failing at something?16:37
alteregoruby-gnome2 isn't compiling anymore.16:38
alteregoSeems it thinks there's a problem with the pango headers.16:38
pupnikthank you for the ruby work you did16:38
alteregoI've reinstalled my SDK rootstrap ..16:38
pupnikit is really exciting stuff imo16:38
alteregoYes, I think so too :)16:39
alteregoI've reinstalled bora 3.1 about twice now ..16:39
alteregoActually, four times ..16:39
pupnikdescribe your problem and maybe later someone or I will have an idea16:40
alteregoinvalid application of 'sizeof' to incomplete type :/16:40
alteregoI'm investigating it now.16:40
pupniki recall that16:41
pupnikseeing that16:41
alteregoIt's strange. It all worked fine before. Why, after I reinstalled my system and scratchbox/SDK has it decided it didn't want to work.16:41
alteregoI'll attempt to google it then.16:41
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alteregoI found a page in Japenese that seems to have exactly the same problem ^_^16:44
alteregoThank god for google translator ^_^16:44
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thefullHello, please, exists SDK 2.0 Maemo Live CD ?17:45
thefullI have version 1.0 but i think is old ....17:45
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trevarthansparr: you tried the new kagu volume widget yet?18:01
disqkagu? what's kagu? (let's make an educational video? :P )18:04
dortothefull, the live cd is still for 1.1 only I guess18:05
dortohow to install the volume widget in kagu?18:05
thefullyes dorto...18:06
thefullbut 1.1 is old..18:06
thefullInterent create one Live CD for platform 2.0 SDK.18:07
dortois it? I don't know of a live cd for 2.0 version. where is it?18:07
dortothe latest is 0.5.1a and it contains maemo 1.1 :
thefullYes, i think not exist live cd for 2.0....18:09
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thefullI'd like exists live Cd 2.0. Why not maemo plattform create new Live CD ?18:10
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||cwthere's a vmware appliance for it though right?18:14
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||cwI'd rather have a vm than a live cd any day18:14
gw280how can I get gtk_paint_box to render a push button in the Hildon style?18:17
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dortowhere is the vmware image of latest maemo sdk image?18:25
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Blacksitoxhi :D18:45
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alteregoGrrrr ..18:52
||cwdolske: google maemo vmware appliance18:55
||cwit's on the garage site I think18:55
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saaibhenno, what brand is the mmc card you get?18:56
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alteregoWell .. I've fixed it but I don't know if it's a good fix :/19:01
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alteregoWoo ..19:09
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* alterego can finally start doing some proper development ^_^19:09
alteregoOkay .. My SDK is severly broken.19:13
* SE-Wilco2 kisses the SDK on its owie.19:14
SE-Wilco2Better now?19:14
alteregoI'm getting a segfault when I attempt to start the desktop.19:14
* alterego install 2.219:15
SE-Wilco2Cranky when waking up, probably a lumpy bed.  Dependency problem likely.19:16
alteregoI've been following the instructions to the letter on installing the SDK's19:17
* SE-Wilco2 tucks the SDK back in bed and shooes alterego off to tidy up the place before waking it again.19:17
alteregoUnless this is a problem with pre maemo 4.0 and the latest scratchbox.19:17
SE-Wilco2Maybe it was compiled for something different than what you're running.  I hate when that happens.19:17
alteregoThat's the only difference between the setup I had previously.19:17
SE-Wilco2Nobody else is speaking up so those who are present aren't recognizing anything specific.19:18
SE-Wilco2And I'm still at the stage of cramming stuff in my new N800 so haven't tried installing dev tools yet.19:20
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konttoriis there already a vmware image of chinook sdk?19:40
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* |R is waiting for his new N800 to arrive ...19:59
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flip^is there any way to make applications launch in fullscreen mode?20:22
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[31d1]if you can run kde on 770/800 why can't you set up a boot that just runs a kernel and a (real) web browser20:24
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TrosephIt's possible, but good luck with that one.20:24
[31d1]just wondering if that would be a way to get a newer version of flash or anything20:25
TrosephUbuntu Mobile looks promising for the 770/800 it should be out in October20:25
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bedboiTroseph: are you serious??20:26
TrosephAnd I've heard of Poky linux having a full browser.20:26
Trosephbedboi: yeah20:27
Trosephwhat the 770 needs is Damn Small Linux20:27
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lnx^heya, anyone know much about the rtcomm beta?20:28
lnx^i got SIP working with it just fine a couple of weeks ago. then it suddenly stopped working20:29
lnx^now i just get 'network error' for SIP - the network is fine, and the same SIP username/pw works fine on my laptop20:29
lnx^any ideas how i could debug it?20:29
gla55_[31d1]: flash is closed source so dunno how that would help with that20:31
gw280lnx^: are you the lnx from #cl?20:32
lnx^oh, hello! yeah i am20:32
lnx^now, what are you doing here? are you a developer or user?20:32
gw280developer, sort of20:33
lnx^that's cool. i've been hacking kagu the media player a bit too, but not very much...20:35
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SE-Wilco2Slashdot links to a story of Linux on cell phones.
gla55_same kind of stories have popped up for the past few years..20:59
lnx^the SIP server even sends back "SIP/2.0 200 OK" to the client after registration, but the strace of the rcomm SIP client throws this: "recvmsg(309761, {msg_name(237240)={sa_family=0x20 /* AF_??? */, sa_data="\0\0\240\360\r@\250\360\r@\3\0\0\0"}, msg_iov(236600)=[ptrace: umoven: Input/output error". any idea what could be the problem?21:00
pupnikfirst one was... what... motorola * 570 or something21:00
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pupnikwb AD-N77021:02
gla55_the motos are insignificant..21:02
AD-N770hi pupnik21:02
gla55_the more popular motorolas that run that linux+java thing of motos don't expose linux at all21:02
pupnikyes this is what i have read21:03
pupnikdead-in-the-water devices as far as community goes21:03
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gla55_basically the whole article could be from 2 years back21:04
gla55_nothing has really changed that much in that time with mobile linux as "crashing the mobile party"21:05
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lnx^my whole n800 SIP strace is available at if anyone has time to look into the problem21:07
pupnikto even begin to 'crash the party', a vendor has to do a lot of support for a lot of libraries to make porting things easy21:09
pupniki think it was very cool nokia even included sdl21:10
pupnikcertainly wasn't part of the target platform21:10
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guardiangood evening here21:34
pupnikhi guardian21:34
pupnikwhat is interesting to you today?21:36
pupniki think the most exciting new thing for nokia is knots21:38
edistarpupnik: what is knots? ;)21:40
pupniksetting up myth server is too ugly for me, but knots server is simple21:40
pupnikwell it is a ruby application that is middleware between vlc and nokia+mplayer21:40
pupnikso it is very simple to define your directories of videos on pc21:40
guardiansounds nifty21:41
pupnikthen click on them and see them transcoded to 400x240 on mplayer on nokia21:41
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pupnikand you don't need something big and nasty like mythtv on the pc21:42
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* solmumaha blushes21:43
solmumahapupnik: did you try the latest version?21:43
pupniki will sometime but it is 'perfect' now... so...21:44
solmumahaadded server auto discovery so client needs no configuring21:44
pupnikhow the heck ...21:45
[31d1]link pls21:45
pupnikyou must need to enter the ip though, no?21:45
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pupnikwb zottd!21:46
pupniki should have asked if i could paste that link, sorry21:46
solmumahahope someone finds use for it21:47
pupnikthe vlc part will be the biggest issue for most people i think21:48
solmumahayes, hope they release 0.9.0 soon21:48
pupnikbut eventually vlc will catch up to knots21:48
pupniki showed knots to my mom last night21:48
solmumahait's very easy to setup on os x21:48
pupnikshe could not begin to grasp the awesomeness21:49
solmumaha2 fans then21:49
pupnikshe never has touched a computer - just the nokia21:49
pupnikit is very non-threatening21:49
pupnikeventually i will cache her favorite tv channels to HDD, wich show indexes21:50
[31d1]wow that is ***** awesome21:50
pupnikso she can click on the channel, then the program she wanes (within the last 2-3 weeks)21:51
solmumahawould be nice if someone with bsd or linux and dvb card could test it21:51
[31d1]dvb card?21:51
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solmumahadigital television card21:51
pupnikfor live tv21:51
pupnikfor me the stored video is more important21:52
[31d1]i'm gonna run it on lunix when i get home, but just for divx and stuff21:52
solmumahak, tell me how it works21:52
solmumaharemember to get 0.9.0 vlc, others won't work anymore21:53
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[31d1]is there a debian repo that has 0.90?21:54
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[31d1]sweet thanks21:55
solmumahabut it had issues with codecs, pupnik can fill you in on the details21:55
solmumahaneed to change mp3 to mp2 in the config at least21:56
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alteregoI wonder if gutting a piece of code to stop a compiler error could be deemed as a fix.21:58
pupnikit all depends on your distro21:59
alteregoIf I really want to fix this I've got a lot of source code to read O_O21:59
pupnikand what encoders your ffmpeg supports21:59
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pupnikalterego: what sucks is, i remember seeing that error, and i don't remember what i did to fix22:00
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[31d1]well i have working ok22:00
[31d1]hopefully its all the same codecs22:00
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alteregoI think the problem is pkg-config or the pango deb.22:00
pupnik[31d1]: what is your os22:01
pupnikyour OS on the box with your videos22:01
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Gopi_Did I just come and go...?22:04
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Gopi_Hmm. My nick implies that. Colloquy on the iphone doesn't give much feedbacj22:05
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[31d1]debian testing22:06
[31d1]i don't see vlc 0.90 on there22:07
[31d1]just 0.8922:07
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[31d1]hmm, there is 0.90 in ubuntu feisty22:09
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alteregoIt looks like the problem is it's not detecting that pango_layout_iter_get_type() is defined.22:11
alteregoSo it's redefining it with buggy code.22:11
alteregoAha ..22:13
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alteregoI definitely think I'm on to something now ..22:16
alteregoThat's interesting ..22:18
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alteregoYes, that's the kind of face I'm pulling now :/22:30
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killfilldates is asking for evolution-data-server...22:47
killfillwhere do i get that?..22:47
killfillor its obsolete?22:47
[31d1]im sad face due to being too dumb to figure out how to get vlc 0.9.0 on debian lenny22:48
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killfillit looks like the proyect is death=22:51
killfilldate's svn last commit is from 2 months ago.. :S22:51
killfillhm.. there is a jana branch..22:52
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solmumaha[31d1]: <- that could work with debian if you are willing to compile it yourself22:57
cosmohas anyone tried bluetooth serial adapters with maemo devices?22:57
solmumahayou can make 0.8.6c work too but without seeking etc and you would have to comment out few lines from the client22:59
alteregoThis problem is like something out of "Alice in Wonderland"22:59
solmumahaignore that if you can23:03
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killfilldates: Depends: libecal (>= but it is not going to be installed23:13
killfillDepends: evolution-data-server-calendar (>= but it is not going to be installed23:13
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alteregoOh my god.23:24
alteregoWhy are the worst problems always the most simple?23:24
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Tb0n3wow, they keep nicks registered a long time on this server, must have been a year23:37
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Tb0n3anyhow, I just purchased a Nokia 770, any suggestions on what to put on it when I get it? any things to watch out for or tips and tricks for a new user?23:38
killfillinstall kagu23:38
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Tb0n3so, music player, will it do videos?23:39
killfillcanola can tho23:40
Tb0n3which is better for music, kagu?23:40
Tb0n3cause I've got me some flacs of mozart and beethoven23:41
Tb0n3and does the 770 only support OS 2006?23:42
killfillno idea.. got a n80023:42
killfillkagu is quite nice.. i install it last week end..23:42
killfillits iphone-ish23:43
killfilltest boths.. canola is very good..23:43
killfilli use it actually.. stream music from my pc to it23:43
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Tb0n3can't wait for it23:45
killfillwow.. just testes out expedite.. canno wait for an application to use thie efl stuff...23:46
Tb0n3isn't that another word for testicles?23:46
Tb0n3english isn't your first language, is it killfill23:46
Tb0n3and go23:47
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Tb0n3GNU Go will be good if I start to learn23:48
t_s_ough, while i love the umpc news on umpcportal, the editors continual hammering of arm is getting annoying...23:48
Tb0n3also a good bragging point to a friend23:48
Tb0n3is it a video?23:48
Tb0n3and I heard you can access cli pretty easily23:49
Tb0n3I'm familiar with debian myself and would love that23:49
alteregot_s_o, maybe you should mention to him that if he has a mobile phone and pretty much every mobile phone he's owned. Not to mention routers, wireless AP's. They're mostly powered by ARM.23:51
alteregoTb0n3, yeah, just install XTerm23:51
alteregoTb0n3, getting root is a little harder, but well worth it ;)23:52
Tb0n3ARM architecture is da shi23:52
Tb0n3RISC ftw23:52
alteregoI'm a big ARM fan.23:53
t_s_ohe is aware of it, thats the sad thing. he just goes on hammering about the FIE (full internet experience) and it being based on support of flash and java plugins in the browsers, and the ability to handle ajax based webpages with equal ease to a desktop pc23:53
Tb0n3so, does it have aptitude?23:53
Tb0n3what about power consumption?23:53
t_s_oand that the only thing that can deliver that is wintel23:53
alteregoAdmitedly JS and Flash aren't that well supported. But Java? Does he even know ARM architecture? :)23:53
alteregoI'd imagine with better floating point Flash would run okay on an ARM platform.23:53
alteregoI hate flash anyhow :)23:54
t_s_othere is a thread about java on internettablettalk now23:54
Tb0n3does the 770 support IT2007? and would it make a big difference?23:54
flip^there's a hackers edition23:54
killfilldamn.. all i want is have some time and play with python-elf.. :P23:54
flip^that's the only way of getting 2007 onto a 77023:55
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alteregoTb0n3, it's not that much of a big difference. But yes, you can install the hacker edition23:55
t_s_oyour not alone alterego, never liked it. so i hope the opera suggestion for html5 gets the green light ;)23:55
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t_s_onative media tags based on ogg!23:55
flip^there're a few things in the hacker edition that don't quite work the same... it's on if you want to hunt for it23:55
Tb0n3I would have loved to get a Sharp SL-C3200 but that was too expensive23:55
alteregoI dunno, Flash will be around as long as kids learn to build flashy websites.23:55
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Tb0n3and I'll be sure to love the screen on the 77023:55
t_s_obut i wonder why falsh video crawls inside the browsers, as they fly when loaded directly into mplayer localy23:55
alteregoIt varies.23:56
Tb0n3probably depends on what the browser uses to display it23:56
killfillhey.. anyone uses gpe calendar?23:56
Tb0n3browser uses flash 9, mplayer uses itself23:56
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killfillcan i sync google-caneldar with it?Â.. or a ical? can do it with nokia n65..23:57
t_s_oi think it can do google, there should be a thread somewhere. ical, maybe if opensync can be shoehorned into it, but that requires some terminal work iirc23:58

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