IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2007-09-25

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btwonder if can anyone give me a clue on the 4.0 SDK installation. I've installed and was able to run scratchbox but when I run the SDK installer it says to me : line 331: /opt/scratchbox/tools/bin/dialog: File or Directory not found. Is this a known issue? I couldn't find it on the mailing lists. I wonder if I'm missing anything....00:03
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Blacksitobuenas tardes01:06
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TrosephIs there anyway to get CIFS/SMB working on Maemo? Or does it still need to be ported01:43
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pupniksomeone with n800 can test pingus?
pupniki need to know at how many released pingus do you see a slowdown, if any02:18
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BuckWilderwhere does scratchbox put the run first script?02:21
BuckWilderI'm having trouble finding it02:22
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pupnikaf-init-sb or what?02:24
BuckWildererr huh02:24
pupniki don't remember installing scratchbox02:25
BuckWilderI installed it from the debian package installer02:25
pupnikah good02:25
BuckWilderbecause the repository didn't work02:25
pupnikthen howto says some run me command must be run?02:26
BuckWilderit tells me to run add user02:26
BuckWilderbut that complains that or something has to be run02:26
BuckWilderand I don't know where that is02:26
pupnik/scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser  ?02:26
BuckWilderok, nm it worked that time02:27
BuckWildernah the first time it complained about not running some script02:27
BuckWildernot sure why, worked the second time02:27
jontyso, anyone got maemo-myth working yet?02:28
jontyI managed to get a channel list once, but that's all02:28
BuckWilderI don't know why anyone hasn't gotten samba/CIFS in a GUI yet02:30
BuckWilderlooks like it would be easy enough to develop02:30
jontyI thought it had been done?02:32
pupnikthe samba client is really big02:33
BuckWilderthe samba client is big I guess02:34
BuckWilderbut CIFS is already installable02:34
BuckWilderbut you have to mount from the command line02:34
BuckWilderI don't know about you guys, but I'm not a huge fan of doing stuff from the command line on the N80002:34
BuckWilderit's okay if you SSH in02:35
BuckWilderI mean, you could write a shell script, but how much work could it possibly be to make a little GUI for the front02:35
jontyoff you go then ;)02:36
BuckWilderyeah, I just have to figure out how to get python to talk to the command line (which should be easy enough) and how to get a GUI up and running02:36
* pupnik is overcome by laziness02:36
pupnikhow many people are actively developing things for the nokias i wonder02:37
BuckWilderno idea02:37
BuckWilderanother thing I'd like to get going is a bittorrent GUI port02:38
pupnikmost of the clients are high cpu use02:38
pupniki've had success with ctorrent.  i built rtorrent but got segfaults.02:38
pupnikrtorrent is very feature-rich02:39
BuckWilderbittorrent isn't a huge priority to me, but it would be cool02:39
BuckWilderanother thing I think would be useful is, is there a way to treat the N800 like a bluetooth headset or something?02:39
BuckWilderso you could make calls from your phone while its in your pocket02:40
BuckWilderhow hard would that be to get working02:40
pupnikneat idea02:40
pupnikhaven't seen that before02:40
* pupnik gives BuckWilder a star :)02:40
jontyI'm not exactly sure what you're saying - you want to use the N800 AS the headset?02:41
BuckWilderit would be cool to use the N800 as the phone, almost02:41
jontyWhy on earth would you use the N800 itself as a headset? That's rediculously convoluted.02:42
BuckWilderI'm not sure exactly how bluetooth works, but don't you have the two crucial abilities with the protocol, which are the ability to dial the phone, and the ability to get the audio in/out from the phone?02:42
jontyand as for using it as a phone, use skype or SIP with asterisk02:42
BuckWilderwhy wouldn't I?02:42
BuckWilderyeah, but what if I want to use a regular cell network?02:43
BuckWilderwhy not?02:43
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jontyOk, the N800 does not have a built in microphone, you have to use the headset, so how does using the N800 as a client bluetooth audio device for the phone differ to just plugging a headset into the phone in the first place?02:44
BuckWilderthe N800 DOES have a built in mic02:44
BuckWilderor if it doesn't, what is it recording using the speakers?02:45
jontyHmm, in which case neither of the N800's I've had, had working mic's built in02:45
jontythe 770 did02:45
BuckWilderI dunno, I've used a couple recording applications on mine02:45
jontyIn which case the point then stands, why not just use speakerphone mode on the phone ;)02:45
BuckWilderbecause, if you have a bluetooth enabled phone you could leave the phone in your pocket02:46
BuckWilderand you could manage all your calls/etc from the N80002:46
jontyIt's fairly convoluted, and would require a LOT of hacking about - bluetooth audio on linux sucks hard02:47
BuckWilderthat's my most ambitious idea tho02:47
BuckWilderI think that would be really cool02:47
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ArtemisprimeAny new fun stuff on 770 ?02:59
pupnikhelp test games Artemisprime03:01
ArtemisprimeIm on 770 now03:02
pupnikkobo deluxe is pretty insane, play with stylus firing03:02
ArtemisprimeWhats th site03:02
pupniknot a one-click install but whatever03:03
ArtemisprimeCan u type f ull link03:03
ArtemisprimeIm on 77003:03
pupniklet me know if it's f'd up03:04
ArtemisprimeWhy would it be ?03:05
pupniki didn't spend much time on it03:05
ArtemisprimeUnable to install03:06
pupnikok one sec03:06
ArtemisprimeImcom pack03:06
ArtemisprimeWhat pack do  need  ?03:06
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pupnikok new package uploaded - should fix the installer prob03:08
pupnikrefresh and reclick03:08
pupniki don't know what the imcom pack is03:08
ArtemisprimeIncompatible package03:09
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pupniktesting install03:12
ArtemisprimeOk it install ed do i have to run it frm promt03:12
pupniksry bout that - i still have to learn how to do the menus03:13
ArtemisprimeCmd ?03:13
pupnikand it takes like a year to generate the sound data03:13
ArtemisprimeIts coo03:13
ArtemisprimeCmd ?03:13
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pupnikbut the config file makes the game a lot better03:14
pupniki need to put that in the package03:14
ArtemisprimeHold on03:14
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pupnikdownload the .kobodlrc file to the left into /home/user for optimized speed and control settings.03:15
ArtemisprimeWhat ?03:15
ArtemisprimeI jut want to run03:16
pupnikread the stuff on the webpage03:16
pupnikbut yeah this game should be one of the first to get a maemo games wrapper03:17
pupnikproblem is the game generates all the music samples on startup03:17
pupniki've talked to the author and he's interested in adding a feature to cache the music data03:17
pupnikso you only generate it once03:17
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pupnikanyway once you get it installed and the kobodlrc installed, you can steer with dpad and fire with stylus03:19
pupnikand it's a hell of a game03:19
ArtemisprimeCant run03:20
ArtemisprimeIm in the dir03:20
pupnikdoes it spit out an error message?03:21
Artemisprime I type kobodl and it cant03:21
ArtemisprimeIm in that di03:21
pupnikah i run it from /home user03:21
pupnikand invoke it with /usr/games/kobodl03:21
pupnikbut that shouldn't make a difference03:22
pupnikdoes it spit out an error?03:22
ArtemisprimeNot found03:22
pupnikthen type03:22
ArtemisprimeBut i can see when i ls03:22
pupnikyou invoke the game with the full path03:23
ArtemisprimeIm in games03:23
pupnikyeah but that's not how linux works03:23
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ArtemisprimeSo what command ?03:23
pupniklook up :)03:24
ArtemisprimeIm on 7003:24
pupnikfor the fourth time03:24
pupnikfor the fourth time03:24
ArtemisprimeIll try03:24
ArtemisprimeIll try o sonf03:27
ArtemisprimeNo sound03:27
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pupnik => /usr/lib/ (0x00000000)03:29
pupnik => /usr/lib/ (0x00000000)03:29
pupnik => /lib/ (0x00000000)03:29
pupnik => /usr/lib/ (0x00000000)03:29
pupnik => /lib/ (0x00000000)03:29
pupnik => /lib/ (0x00000000)03:29
pupnik => /lib/ (0x00000000)03:29
pupnik => /usr/lib/ (0x00000000)03:29
pupnik => /usr/lib/ (0x00000000)03:29
pupnik => /usr/lib/ (0x00000000)03:29
pupnik => /usr/lib/ (0x00000000)03:29
pupnik => /lib/ (0x00000000)03:29
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pupnik => /usr/lib/ (0x00000000)03:29
pupnik => /usr/lib/ (0x00000000)03:29
pupnik => /usr/lib/ (0x00000000)03:29
pupnikwalp i found a few things to fix now03:29
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ArtemisprimeBu crashe03:31
ArtemisprimeLoded abort game ? Scrreeen03:31
ArtemisprimeAnd froze03:31
ArtemisprimeBak  o trm03:31
ArtemisprimeUse nosound option03:32
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ArtemisprimeTo load03:32
pupnikhmm no ideas yet why03:32
pupniktesting a new build here03:34
pupnikthanks - you're the *first* person to test this03:34
pupnikso it helps a lot03:34
pupnikdid it spit out errors when crashing?  or just say 'segfault'?03:36
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ArtemisprimeI may have exites03:37
ArtemisprimeIt says switchin to single buffer mode03:37
ArtemisprimeI cant do anything with stylus03:38
ArtemisprimeI cant fie03:38
pupnikok yeah firing only works with the .kobodlrc downloaded into your /home/user03:38
pupniki have to figure out how to put that into the package03:39
ArtemisprimeOw can i put it there03:39
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pupnikdownload it from the webpage with browser03:40
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pupnikand put it in /home/user03:40
pupniki don't see how to automatically install it yet03:40
ArtemisprimeIt opens it03:41
ArtemisprimeLike text03:41
ArtemisprimeHow save ?03:42
pupnikah damn... can you hold the stylus down on the link to get a 'download to file'?03:42
pupnikhold stylus down maybe 3 seconds03:42
pupnikah no opera can't do it!03:43
ArtemisprimeI can only put it in fake folders03:43
ArtemisprimePredefind noki03:43
pupnikyes i see03:44
pupniki tried just now also03:44
pupnikheh sorry!03:44
pupniki need to make kobo package install the rc file03:44
ArtemisprimeCan i copy from documents03:45
pupnikyes if there's any way to copy .kobodlrc to /home/user you are set03:46
pupnikof course why nokia hides /home/user i do not know03:46
pupnikit is like microsoft03:46
pupnik"lets hide the real system from the user!"03:47
pupnik"the user must only save to documents!"03:47
pupnikcomputer nazis03:47
ArtemisprimeBut this is worse03:47
Artemisprime N keyboard03:47
pupnikbut is my responsiblity to make a usable kobodl - with menu and so forth03:47
pupnikso whenever you get the rc into /home/user it should be very playable03:48
pupniki have to change the exit confirmation to not require a "y" key, but exit on dpad-enter also03:50
ArtemisprimeAnt i just copy frm documents foder tousr/home03:51
ArtemisprimeWat is doument path03:52
pupnik/home/user/MyDocs ?03:53
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ArtemisprimeIcant save it03:55
ArtemisprimeCuzof the chars03:55
pupnikbecause of the "."/\03:56
ArtemisprimeI renamed03:57
ArtemisprimeIts ok03:57
ArtemisprimeCan cd to home/usr03:58
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pupnikuser not usr03:59
pupnikcd /home/user03:59
ArtemisprimeCant cd to mydocs now04:00
ArtemisprimeIm in user04:00
pupnikcapitalisation is important04:00
ArtemisprimeOk im in04:01
ArtemisprimeBut no l04:01
ArtemisprimeShows up nothing04:02
pupnikls -a should show maybe .documents04:03
ArtemisprimeI think it saved as .htm04:05
ArtemisprimeRename and copy ?04:05
pupnikshould be named .kobodlrc04:06
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ArtemisprimeCmds ?04:06
pupnikmv filename /home/user/.kobodlrc04:06
pupnikwhere filename is whatever the file is04:07
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ArtemisprimeThink it worke04:11
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ArtemisprimeStill cant fire04:17
pupnikdo you get fullscreen display now?04:17
ArtemisprimeMust not have workes04:17
pupnikwith .kobodlrc in /home/user you should see fullscreen game04:17
ArtemisprimeIt said the cmd was success04:18
ArtemisprimeNoo error04:18
Artemisprime.Kobodl is in the di04:20
ArtemisprimeMy batt is gunna die04:20
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ArtemisprimeWell haveto do this later04:21
pupnikok will have a new version to download soon04:21
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ArtemisprimeIll keep playin wih it04:21
ArtemisprimeNow that i know cmds04:21
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pupniknew kobo deluxe - installable with app manager, playable/exitable without keyboard04:45
mgedminoooh, kobo deluxe04:47
_Monkeykobo deluxe is addictive04:47
pupnikjust needs menu and maemo-game wrapper now04:48
pupnikoh and it still taked 3 minutes to generate music data04:48
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pupnikbut it's fast and addictive04:49
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ceinany insights as to why maemo doesn't have the latest flash version?06:39
ceinis it just that it's not ported yet or are there technical constraints?06:39
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IgorSobreirahi trying to install maemo to start learn about it.. ( ) ...ive followed this but i cant see the maemo nice is my problem ( )..anybody could help me?07:12
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pupnikAny graphics artists out there?  Here are the controls needed for onscreen buttons / thumb/stylus for xu410:28
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JaffaMorning, all10:34
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Big_Banybody can tell me "How can i build dev package for n700" pls11:18
Big_Bplease anybody help me .11:18
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Big_BHow can i build dev package  for N700 ? please anybody tell me.11:19
onionBig_B: dev package of what ?11:23
Big_Bfor maemo +n700 device11:25
pupnikdev or deb?11:26
Big_Boh sorry deb11:26
pupnikapt-get source <packagename> to get sources11:26
pupnikin scratchbox, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b in the source directory to build the package11:27
Big_BPupnik : ok11:27
Big_BI m following your instruction Pupnik11:27
Big_BPlease continue to help me11:28
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pupnikto apt-get a source you will need deb-src defined in your /etc/apt/sources.list11:28
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pupnikjust for example, deb-src sid main contrib non-free11:29
pupnikbut that will get you sid packages, you might be better off getting older packages11:29
pupnikthose commands also make good additions to search terms for google, if you need to read up on more background information11:32
_Monkeyporting is
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Big_BHi lardman !!!!11:54
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lardmanhi Big_B11:59
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Big_BLardman : you helped me a lot , thanks a lot for that.  Now i m going to build deb package for N700 .12:04
lardmanBig_B: Really, what did I do?12:04
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* lardman is getting forgetful in his old age :)12:05
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Big_Byou helped me to integrate libjpeg eith my project12:05
lardmanah, okay12:05
lardmanglad to help12:06
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Big_BPupnik is now helping me.12:07
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pupniki am? :)12:36
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flip^is there any decent calendar (with or without todo) software for a n800, that will sync up (preferably in both directions) with something online? tbh, I've been trying to find the same for Windows for weeks with no real success either :(12:37
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pupnikgpe? flip^ ?12:41
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flip^pupnik: I'm told that can pull down an iCal file - though I've not explored enough to find out - but I don't think it can publish changes back again12:45
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pupnikdunno - there is definitely room for coordination on better pim/calendar13:29
pupnikmaybe you can join a subgroup of people who want to make this better13:29
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flip^If I could get my head round developing for maemo, I might put something together. Shame I hate ical though13:33
flip^I wish I could do java on maemo :(13:33
pupnikit's probably not a one-person job13:34
pupnikwell even you know - testing and stuff helps13:34
flip^well, yeah13:34
flip^before I scheme anything like this on maemo, I need to get myself set up to develop... in theory I downloaded the VMWare appliance that's ready to go last night tho13:34
flip^waiting for me when i get home from work today13:35
pupniki started with the 'low hanging fruit' and then just kept finding more and more of it13:36
flip^It's ages since I touched C/C++ stuff though... I'm dreading it a little13:36
pupnikyeah same here - was about 10 years13:37
pupnikerm no come to think of it, 1813:37
flip^To think the fact it's about 5 years since I shifted to Java makes me feel old :(13:37
flip^18 years ago I might have been playing with "My First Computer" ;)13:37
pupnikhmm... time13:40
pupnikyep, it's still moving on13:40
flip^so, given i've not even had a chance to touch it yet, would developing for maemo be best described as "a breeze" or "a painful experience", or some other amusing parallel13:42
pupniki'll let you know when i develop something13:42
pupniki'm just slowly getting my feet wet in sdl13:43
pupnikbut if you want to play with adapting gtk programs to hildon...13:43
pupnikthose would be fairly straightforward afaict13:44
pupniki did the first hildonization steps for touchmegames with just a couple hours of howto reading13:44
flip^yeah, i expect I'll start by trying to port some easy stuff... starting with recompiling command line things, and working up through gtk things13:50
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Jaffaflip^: see also
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flip^ooh, had my hopes up that would be a throwback to my  mudding days, but it's just as cool in its own geeky way14:35
erstaziflip^: heh, nothing wrong with mudding though (:14:38
flip^i know, it just seems to have been a dying trend... my mud used to have dozens of players on, but now only one or two look in on it each week :(14:39
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erstaziflip^: oh I thought you meant field hopping (:14:40
* flip^ grins14:40
erstaziflip^: now I see the links (:14:40
flip^i was definitely being geeky. something about the atmosphere brings it out of me14:41
flip^probably cos i'm stuck at work and quite bored14:41
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pupnikmuds ruined one semester of my college14:50
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flip^yeah, i know that feeling14:51
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xandhi, after running kismet (and quitting it), I can no longer connect using the connection manager unless I reboot -- it doesn't even search for wireless networks; is there something I can do to fix this?14:52
alteregoYay for sshfs!14:57
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alteregoI wonder if this will work in scratchbox ..14:58
cosmois there fuse already for maemo?15:04
alteregoDon't know.15:05
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alteregoI might port it over and package it if there isn't.15:05
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cosmothat would be nice. and then some nice python gui for managing sshfs shares..15:08
alteregoRuby GIU15:13
infoboti guess gui is (Graphical User Interface) Any system that uses graphics to represent the functions of a program. All Windows operating systems are GUI. or point-and-drool, double-click, drag-and-drop, ... or at  Of course Real Programmers use the command line interface.  See cli15:13
alteregoI was planning on writting a "Connect to" like app15:13
alteregoLike that in the "Places" menu under Gnome15:13
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cosmoalterego: yep, that would be really nice15:14
cosmoand some tool that you could use to remount sshfs shares if you get disconnected15:14
alteregoYou see .. I was going to use GnomeVFS, but the Ruby bindings for it don't have any documentation at all.15:15
cosmomaybe even remount tham automatically when network connection is available. there's dbus message for it15:15
alteregoI guess making a dedicated tool would be fine.15:15
alteregocosmo, all good ideas :)15:16
* alterego makes some notes.15:16
cosmoand something to remember passwords like gnome-vfs can do but sshfs doesn't (unless you do keyless authentication by hand)15:17
alteregoWell, remembering passwords is easy.15:17
alteregoI'm suprised Maemo doesn't have a universal credential system. Maybe that's something it needs :)15:18
cosmobtw gnome-vfs sftp support is very buggy compared to sshfs, and only gnome-vfs apps can use it15:18
alteregoI generally don't think GnomeVFS is very highly regarded at the moment.15:21
cosmoidea & integration is very good, but at least the sshfs implementation which i would use sucks15:22
cosmoand with fuse you can use any application to access mounted shares15:23
alteregoWell, I've used it a little. I wont now I've got fuse working.15:23
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cosmofuse's weakness is lack of good gui and desktop integration15:24
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alteregoI've got other ideas though for this app. I was thinking, when I first had the idea. Of being able to connect to two different servers, and copy files between them. But directly between them.15:24
sp3000like ftp?15:24
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alteregosp3000, ?15:25
_Monkeyhmmm... sp3000, is this a mockup as well?15:25
cosmoi don't think sftp supports that.. but you can always do some kind of hack15:26
alteregoNo SFTP doesn't support it.15:26
cosmoalterego: ftp supports server to server transfers15:26
alteregoDidn't know that.15:26
gla55_fxftp'ing commonly known.. was used quite commonly to transfer files between public ftp's for the purpose of moving warez15:27
alteregoInteresting ..15:28
cosmobut anyway simple sshfs mounting would be excellent for maemo.. you could store files on home server and access them via 'net15:29
cosmowatch videos over wlan etc15:29
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alteregoWell, I'm working on it now.15:32
alteregoIt'll give me a chance to test my hildon bindings.15:32
alteregoThe new and improved hildon bindings ..15:32
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alteregoHello pupnik15:40
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lardmankulve: You about?15:47
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kulvelardman: yup15:49
lardmankulve: you were trying pointer arithmetic weren't you?15:50
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lardmanis the dsp memory addressed in 16bit chunks then?15:50
lardmanI'd assume it would be, as nothing smaller can be used15:51
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kulveyeah, I think it is15:57
kulve(i.e. I would guess so)15:57
lardmanI suppose it doesn't matter as if I have a char/int pointer, it will be incremented by sizeof(char) anyway15:57
kulvesizeof(char) == 115:58
lardmanyes, and ==16bits15:59
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lardmanI finally worked out that dsp_dld sends syslog messages16:00
lardmanmakes debugging a new dsptask a lot easier than my previous "look at the code even harder for the mistake" method :)16:01
lardmanIt's interesting that the tremor lowmem nobyte code still uses char pointers for things, seems to be that sort of assumes byte sizes16:02
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kulveyou mean debug messages from dsp tasks?16:04
kulveor some debug messages produced by dsp_dld?16:04
lardmanno, from the loader itself - when you try to open a task on the ARM side and get -1 as the answer, it tells you why16:04
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kulveah, ok16:04
kulveI got my tasks usually loaded up ok, they just might not do anything ;)16:05
lardmanI was pulling my hair out getting odd messages in dmesg16:05
lardmanand -1 from open()16:05
lardmanI'll add that tip to the wiki page16:06
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lardmanI've decided to strip the asm out of the vorbis task (it's for the C54 and I keep seeing worrying warnings, plus it's caused some symbol errors)16:09
lardmanbut now I need to fix the Tremor CRC routines that were previously asm, so they can handle 16bit chunks at a time16:10
* lardman thinks that should be fun....16:10
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lardmanhmm, no derf, any other vorbis experts about?16:13
kulvec55 should read c54 asm, if it's told that it's c54 asm. Iirc.16:15
lardmanyes, but there are supposed to be things one needs to setup16:15
lardmanand I wasn't too clear on how that would affect me16:15
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lardmanplus the assembler spits out an awful lot of "check this c55 errata as it might not behave as designed" messages16:16
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lardmanI'm tempted to leave the crc stuff as asm though, and see if it will work16:17
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lardmanannoyingly oggpack_look is one that probably needs to be fiddled with to allow for 16bit char pointers, and is also the asm that was causing an error16:23
lardmanthis instruction for example: FCALLD    #L$$SRU16:23
lardmanproduces an undefined variable (or something like that) error for L$$SRU, which is defined as .global L$$SRU16:24
lardmancuriously this var is not set as far as I can tell16:24
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lardman anyone care to take a look and see what effect larger-than-8bit-chars would have on this code?16:33
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SE-Wilco2Trying to log in to half/ebay seems to cause some WiFi connections to drop and Opera never completes the login in that situation.  Is there a known problem?17:14
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Mikhohello. Is there some place where I could easily check what the gtk stock images in 770 look like?18:19
||cwother than in the theme packages?18:21
alteregoUh oh ..18:21
MikhoI'm using libglade, but the icons in glade3 look different than in the application18:21
Mikhoit depends on the current theme package?18:23
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alteregoIf they're default icons .. Yes.18:23
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alteregoIf you don't like it, use your own icons :)18:24
Mikhoso, it's not a good idea to use gtk-cancel even if the picture fits my context, since the icon might change to something completely different in a different theme18:24
flip^is there anywhere out there that has other themes available for an n800? I have the 4 stock themes, and that's about all i can find for it18:26
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alteregoscratchbox doesn't like being installed into a seperate partition ..18:42
alteregoWell, more like .. It doesn't like being _uninstalled_ from a seperate partition ^_^18:42
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alteregoIt complains that it can't remove the /scratchbox directory because it's mounted.18:44
mgedminI suspect scratchbox's bind mounts might interfere with naive uninstalling18:44
mgedminyep, bind mounts18:44
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guardianit does18:54
guardiandon't delete /scratchbox blindly18:54
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guardianas far as i remember you have to launch "/scrachtbox/sbin/sbox_ctl stop" first18:55
guardianflip^: i don't think there are much themes out there18:55
flip^me either, except some valentines thing18:55
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dortodoes anybody use the maemo live cd? is it stable?19:40
dortoor installing the scratchbox in debian/gentoo/slackware would be preferrable?19:40
`0660at least installing to debian is possible :)19:41
`0660it always breaks with /etc/resolv.conf but that one is easy to fix :)19:41
dortook :)19:42
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`0660at least it shouldn't break anything19:42
alteregoCool .. I can now ssh into my tablet as 'user' :)19:43
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TrosephConnect to a Samba share from your n770. Is it possible?20:44
alteregoTroseph, with fuse. YES!20:45
alteregoI'll upload the packages shortly :)20:45
TrosephSweet. Now how do I do it. :)20:45
alteregoWait for my packages :)20:45
TrosephSounds good20:45
Trosephi less than three you alterego20:45
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Trosephlol <320:46
alteregoOh., haha20:46
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alteregoOh, you want it on the n77020:52
alteregoI'm gonna have to work on that.20:52
alteregoBut don't worry, it should be ready in a few hours at the most :)20:52
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[31d1]why do i already have fuse on my 770?20:54
[31d1]or is your package for smb via fuse20:54
alteregoYeah, someone has already ported fuse.20:55
trosephI'll wait for your package.20:55
alteregoBut it's for scirocco20:55
alteregoNo idea when it was last updated/.20:56
trosephI am running OS200720:56
alteregoWell, you could try his packages.20:57
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cosmowhee, got bluetooth keyboard working with 77021:00
cosmonow where i can download openoffice21:00
||cwOOo is too fat for it21:01
||cwaniwrod and gnumeric work well though21:01
alteregoWasn't there a port of Abiword and Gnumeric?21:01
alteregoI didn't find them last time I went looking#21:02
||cwthey aren't in the downloads on
alteregoIn the garage?21:02
cosmoindt has abiword21:02
alteregoI couldn't find it in the Garage when I looked last.21:02
||cwgnumeric is in the d/l21:03
alteregoYeah, I think it was Abiword I couldn't find. For the N80021:04
cosmohm, indt version is for n80021:04
||cwabi isn't in the downloads at all21:04
dortoIs anybody at Nokia working on creating a tool that will save the installed apps and settings that can be restored after OS updates?21:04
dortoAny news on that front?21:04
alteregodorto, not likely.21:05
alteregoApp data you can backup./21:05
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alteregoBut applications you'll just have to remember.21:05
||cwyou usualy need to install new versions anyway, and not all are available21:06
dortook, I will get into the habit of noting down the names and the repository links of the applications before doing an OS update.21:06
dortoyeah, right.21:06
||cwis this for 770 or 800?
flip^cosmo: you can run openoffice on a 770 if you forward it from another box ;)21:07
cosmoflip^: oh ok ;)21:08
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flip^Ok... with synergy running on my n800, anyone know how can i stop my Return key from bringing up the thumb keyboard (note, i still want the button to bring it up when i'm not using synergy and a proper keyboard)21:09
cosmodamn.. the abisource abiword does not want to  install21:12
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* flip^ has not tried it on a 77021:14
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flip^xand is my 770 guinea pig, but he doesn't know that yet21:14
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* xand peers21:15
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xandis there a way to make the number keypad on the onscreen keyboard the right way round? with 0 at the bottom...21:15
xandsilly nokia getting all confused there :)21:16
cosmobtw i can recommend logitech dinovo edge keyboard, works also 100% on ubuntu21:17
cosmoeven the volume thing21:17
trosephmy apple keyboard works fine21:18
trosephwith some work21:18
flip^gah, every time i press return on my (normal) keyboard, even with the thumb keyboard turned off, it brings up the onscreen keyboard rather than doing a character return21:18
flip^this makes synergy much less useful21:18
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t_s_ohmm, synergy on a N800?!21:34
flip^I've now hacked windows to turn Return into Enter, and it works much nicer21:36
t_s_oyep, thats the quick fix i guess. i had the same experience when testing vnc-ing onto my 77021:38
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t_s_ough, why is it that some people seems to think that linux will allways be in a "catching up" state vs windows?21:39
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SE-Wilco2Some people aren't aware of Microsoft promising to add features which were in Unix.  20 years ago.  Well, MS did finally add subdirectories.21:40
t_s_oit seems mostly to have to do with apps, and support for proprietary solutions like ebooks...21:41
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t_s_oheh, synergy make me think of the VR5 tv series21:42
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SE-Wilco2That's more like the accountants and startup programmers only being aware of MS tools.21:43
SE-Wilco2I wonder how the OLPC dispersion will affect that.21:44
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guardiangood evening21:44
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t_s_oSE-Wilco2: i guess it has some execs scared silly21:49
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SE-Wilco2The two-week 1-for-2 OLPC activity will be interesting.  I'm sure they'll report the number of sales quickly.21:50
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t_s_ostrange that synergy do not have a keypress remapping system buildt in21:55
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saaibt_s_o, it would be interesting to know what set of standar key mapping synergy should implement :)22:13
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konttoriinteresting news at maemo news.22:26
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alteregoOoo. New tablet?22:27
guardianurl konttori please ?22:28
alteregoMeh, that could be anything.22:29
flip^it has integrated GPS tho :)22:29
alteregoNow that is worth upgrading for ..22:29
flip^linux, but not necessarily maemo22:30
alteregoI'd imagine it's most definitely Mameo.22:30
infobotmaemo is probably a development platform to create applications for Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices in the future.
pupnikwhat is a CNC-ID?22:30
alteregoI think that's GSM22:30
alteregoor HSCDC or whatever ..22:30
konttoriwhen was monkey renamed as infobot?22:30
flip^It's Midinux, rather than Maemo22:30
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alteregoHmm, interesting.22:31
flip^still Hildon tho22:31
alteregoProbably not an Internet Tablet then ..22:31
alteregoOh, really?22:31
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t_s_ohmm, could it be the wimax equiped spint aimed variant?22:32
konttoriwhat is that elektrobit device?22:33
SE-Wilco2Does someone have a barcode reader to decode what's in the corner of that label?22:34
flip^its the one linked from
flip^which label?22:34
SE-Wilco2The RX-44 label.
flip^i don'tĀ“think its clear enough22:35
flip^nah, can't get anything out of it22:36
konttoriso, is the tabletblog referring to that EB device?22:36
konttorilooks really interesting22:37
flip^i dunno... i was looking at didn't tablet blog til just then22:37
t_s_othat EB device is a oem style device that can be sold under different brands. kinda like how asus makes laptop shells that can be used to create laptops of different brands22:39
onionit's ugly...22:40
konttoriAnd has Intel chip and linux os.22:40
SE-Wilco2The FCC filing might have a more detailed PDF of the barcode.22:40
cosmoi think i know what's the new nokia device, but sorry nda22:40
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cosmoEB device looks expensive but nice22:51
cosmoif they get a decent user interface for it22:51
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t_s_oas in, the interface seen on a benq mid recently23:02
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pupnikI hope a lot of the people here are working on cool stuff for the next Tablet that they aren't allowed to talk about :)23:06
pupnikif only to provide some cosmic balance to those of us who talk a lot and don't do much :P23:07
t_s_owell there is the games ;)23:07
t_s_obtw, a certain webpage seems to crash mozilla on my 770 whenever i attempt to access it...23:08
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pupnikwhich one?23:11
t_s_oyours i belive23:12
t_s_ocrap crap crap. turned it on, tried to connect it to the wifi. it goes into a reboot, and now it does not transision into the load animation!23:14
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KungPhoois this for nokia 770 / n800?23:15
KungPhooah - see the topic - sorry23:15
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KungPhoodoes anyone have a 770 with the hacked OS 7 version?23:16
t_s_oand i had it reflashed not two weeks ago!23:16
KungPhoois it bad?23:16
t_s_ohmm, unplugging the battery helped ;)23:17
t_s_oKungPhoo: my ranting is fully unrelated to os2007 ;)23:17
KungPhoolol. K23:17
pupnikt_s_o: that's bad.  A coupla days ago i changed software.html and links.html to have fixed backgrounds.  That may cause problems?  Doesn't here (firefox and opera on the tablet)23:19
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t_s_odont know what it is but neither turning of javascript or images helps23:19
t_s_obtw, whats this webcore entry on the "hidden" menus?23:20
pupnikwell a page like should work as they always did.  So would index.html.  But if software.html causes crashes, i'll undo the fixed background hack.23:21
pupnikIf you could confirm that, it would be appreciated.23:21
t_s_oi aim my bookmark at index.html. or in other words, i dont specify a file23:22
t_s_ough, thats one confused line23:22
t_s_othe bookmark i had was to so it would be index.html that makes mozilla crash. opera worked fine23:23
pupnikwhat version of mozilla?23:23
t_s_othe pingus page worked23:24
t_s_omicrob 1.0.123:24
alteregoWorks fine on my N80023:25
alteregoWith Opera and MicroB23:25
t_s_ointeresting, when i entered about:about, i got a error page. but when i enter a url that cant be reached i get a (looped) error message about a missing chrome file...23:25
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alteregoInteresting ..23:26
pupnikmaybe it's the recursive link i had on there23:27
pupnikremoved it.23:27
pupnikmaybe microb does some strange prefetching - i duno23:27
t_s_odont think prefetching is activeated23:28
alteregoWhere do I get libsdl-net?23:30
_Monkeyrumour has it libsdl-net is (IT2006, but works on 2007)23:30
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alteregopupnik, libsdl-net on your deps page is broken :/23:32
alteregoErm, the link is broken.23:32
pupnikok ty23:32
t_s_owell this was unexpected. when i entered the page showed up fine. but going to made mozilla crash23:32
alteregopupnik, and so is _monkey ;)23:33
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alteregoCould you point me to libsdlnet ?23:33
pupnikhrm i understand teh problem with the deps.html23:34
t_s_ohmm, im getting very incosisted behavior here. when i opened up the bookmark manager and used that to open the page, it worked fine. but browser crashed when trying to do anything23:34
alteregopupnik, the files are not there? :)23:35
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pupnikthe site works great with links, t_s_o :)23:39
alteregoYou don't have a app launcher item :(23:39
t_s_oheh, noted. sadly it cant be integrated into the browser ui, not can minimo23:40
pupnikyou mean .install files?23:40
alteregoIt's not showing up in the application menu23:40
alteregoHow do I run twm?23:40
pupniki just install the debs with dpkg -i23:40
alteregoYeah, done that.23:40
pupnikfor application menus, i hope to get that done by like . christmas23:41
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alteregoHow do I start the game?23:41
pupnikxterm - or use load-applet-run to run the command23:41
t_s_ough, i wish that opera would highlight what link you click on, even if its a image or similar. besides that i dont really need mozilla for much (well, there is the javascript support)23:41
alteregoErm. I mean. What's the command?!23:41
pupnikfor what game alterego ?23:42
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alteregoIt doesn't work ..23:42
pupnikok lemme see if i scerweedded that up23:42
pupnik~ $ which tmw23:43
alteregoI get nothing ..23:43
pupnikif you have an older build, it might be in /usr/games/tmw23:43
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alteregoOh wait, yes it is.23:44
pupnikyeah i gotta move that to /usr/bin23:44
pupnikyou can do that yourself, as root23:44
alteregoNot full screen either :/23:44
xelahey all, can anybody point me to docs about power management in the Nokia 770?23:45
alteregoAnd no way to enter user/pass ^_^23:45
solmumahause xkbd23:45
alteregoAnychance of a fullscreen version? :)23:46
solmumahait's a config thing23:47
solmumahabut i didn't get xkbd working on fullscreen23:47
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pupniki will look to see if i can get fullscreen toggle going easily/quickly23:51
pupnikthen you can start in window, use xkbd to login, then play in fullscreen23:52
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alteregoCan you use the config so you don't have to enter the details?23:52
pupnikoh yeahh23:53
pupnikand you can give username/pass from commandline too i think23:53
alteregoI've not registered though :/23:53
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