IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2007-09-24

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alteregoThat's what they recomment Thanatermesis00:00
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pupnikcrap, i can't make a symlink of /usr/share/games to /media/mmc1/share/games because dpkg wants to set perms on the files ther00:09
DeformatiThanatermesis: jffs200:09
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alteregoYou should dual book pupnik all the kool kids are doing it :)00:12
alteregoHmmm ..00:12
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alteregoThere was me thinking that the latest 770 ITOS was mistral, but the SDK is gregale ..00:13
DeformatiDual booting into what?00:14
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alteregoBooting off the MMC, gives you more capacity.00:14
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pupnikthat's kind of painful to watch unique31100:15
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Deformatialterego: Why?00:15
alteregoBigger root partition00:15
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DeformatiMount the mmc as /usr or something.00:15
alteregoI've got a 1GB rootfs on my N80000:15
pupniki do dual boot alterego00:15
DeformatiWhy do you need so much space?00:16
alteregoWhy wouldn't I need so much space?00:16
alteregoWhy are you trolling?00:16
DeformatiI am asking.00:16
alteregoIf you can't see the benifits that's your problem ..00:16
DeformatiSeems like a lot of people are doing it, and I do not see the benefit.00:16
alteregoIt's safer too.00:16
alteregoI have a small install in flash, so if I break my install I can still use the device.00:17
pupnikthat's the way to do it00:17
alteregoYou can also install the development rootfs ..00:17
alteregoTake advantage of cairo and gtk 2.10 etc.00:17
alteregoIt's also quicker.00:18
alteregoAs the filesystem isn't compressed.00:18
DeformatiCannot be that much faster, maybe init times, but it needs to be loaded into the ram anyways.00:18
alteregoErm .. No00:18
alteregoWhy would it load the rootfs into RAM? That's silly ..00:19
DeformatiThe apps must be loaded into the ram to function.00:19
DeformatiI guess not.00:19
DeformatiBut eh.00:19
_Monkeywhatever is fun for you.  More power to ya00:19
alteregoYes Deformati but they don't need to be decompressed everytime they're run.00:19
alteregoWhich they are on a jffs filesystem .. Like that you have in flash.00:20
DeformatiBut then you don't take advantage of your dsp.00:20
DeformatiThe dsp is great for decompression.00:20
alteregoI think I'd rather it not be done if it doesn't need to be for better performance. I'm not going to lose sleep over not using the DSP ;)00:21
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DeformatiI guess it would also have lower power consumption if it doesn't have to, but then you have less space for your media.00:21
alteregoThe joys of two SD slots ^_^00:22
Deformati770 doesn't have those.00:22
alteregoI know.00:22
alteregoShame isn't it.00:22
alteregoI don't use my 770 :P00:22
alteregoI got it so I could dev for both devices.00:22
pupniki'd like to make <game>-data.deb packages that can install to the mmc or sd card00:24
alteregopupnik, should be possible.00:24
alteregoEdit your debian/rules to install to debian/<PACKAGE>/media/mmcX00:25
pupnikyeah as usual nobody has done it yet00:25
Deformatialterego: You haven't managed to compile gcc with armel as the target have you?00:25
pupnikthat errors out - "can't set permissions"00:25
DeformatiEveryone seems to use the binarys.00:25
_Monkeybinaries are usually in /usr/bin00:25
pupnikand it's not part of a postinstall script00:25
pupnikso maybe i can overwrite the standard package manager behavior00:26
alteregoAh yes, it can't set permissions on a directory in fat ..00:26
alteregoDeformati, I've not. What's wrong with the cs2005 toolchain?00:26
DeformatiBecause I want to enable another language in the compiler collection.00:27
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alteregoYeah, gcc isn't very modular :/00:28
alteregoHmm ..00:28
alteregoI'll have a go, what language?00:28
alteregoWow, D has a gcc mod now?00:29
alteregoThat's cool ..00:29
DeformatiIt has had one for a very long time.00:29
DeformatiThere is work for an llvm frontend as well.00:29
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alteregoI've not seriously looked into D, I thought it was like mono/C# ..00:29
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alteregoYou should try Ruby :P00:31
DeformatiI didn't like it when I tried it.00:32
alteregoWhat didn't you like about it?00:32
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DeformatiToo slow, ugly syntax.00:32
alteregoWell, except the slow bit ;)00:32
alteregoI think the syntax is quite beautiful.00:32
alteregoBecause it's so simple.00:32
DeformatiD has a lot of ruby's features anyways.00:33
alteregoI guess you're more into your C like syntax.00:33
DeformatiAnd D is compiled.00:33
alteregoDoes D have continuations?00:33
DeformatiWhere ruby needs a vm.00:33
alteregoI don't see how needing a VM is a drawback.00:33
alteregoIt makes it more portable.00:33
DeformatiAlso adds a dependency.00:34
alteregoDoes D have closures? Iterators?00:34
alteregoDynamically typed?00:34
alteregoIs it fully OO?00:34
DeformatiD doesn't have closures, but it has delegates, nested functions, etc.00:34
alteregoThat last one was a joke :)00:34
alteregoWhat's the point in a nested function if you don't have closures?00:35
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DeformatiClosures don't really work with native code.00:35
alteregoI guess the VM comes in handy then ..00:35
DeformatiStill slow.00:36
alteregoNot really.00:36
alteregoDepends what you're doing.00:36
DeformatiCannot really make system code in a vm.00:36
ThanatermesisDeformati, but aparently jffs2 is not recommended to use because like is a compressed filesystem, the whole system runs more slow00:36
DeformatiIE, kernel00:36
alteregoI'd rather be able to develop quickly than have a slight performance increase. Not to mention I can optimize any part of my code in C if needs be.00:37
DeformatiThanatermesis: But you will not reach your write cycles,  and while it is slower, you get more space.00:37
alteregoYou don't get more space if you have a big memory card :)00:37
Deformatialterego: You should try D, I develop more quicky in it than any other language.00:37
alteregoThat's because you don't use Ruby :P00:38
alteregoWhat about introspection?00:38
DeformatiI don't know your fancy words.00:38
Thanatermesisalterego, what is the development rootfs ?00:38
alteregoMaemo 4.0 Thanatermesis00:39
DeformatiI am not going to argue against ruby because I am not familiar with it, just saying, I like D.00:39
DeformatiI am warming up to erlang too.00:39
ThanatermesisDeformati, that toy don't needs to load anything on ram because don't use hard disks :]00:39
Thanatermesiswell, i mean that the data is stored on electronical devices, not mecanic ones00:40
DeformatiThanatermesis: static storage00:40
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DeformatiThanatermesis: Take advantage of your dsp. :)00:40
alteregoD just isn't flexible enough for me.00:40
alteregoI like languages that are like play dough.00:40
Deformatialterego: Why not?00:40
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alteregoD does have closures.00:42
Thanatermesisalterego, that sounds nice, i want to try that on that n800, but is of my GF, i need a minimum of stability for she, how much stable is 4.0 ? :) like debian unstable ?00:42
DeformatiNuh uh.00:42
DeformatiIt has like, half closures.00:42
alteregoThanatermesis, it's not stable at all.00:43
alteregoStick with 3.200:43
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alteregoIt doesn't have all the apps either ..00:43
DeformatiWell, be back later, fooding.00:43
Thanatermesiswell... maybe i just make dd's of my MMC card to try it :]00:43
alteregoUrgh .. Class templates ..00:43
alteregoDoesn't have dynamic class loading ..00:44
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alteregoThat's awefull.00:44
alteregoYes, definitely not flexible enough for me :P00:44
Thanatermesisalterego, what is basically the fast and easy way to compile things ? i want to compile things but i don't to "complicate my life", i don't have much free time to play with this, i just want to make fast compilations :) i don't think that i can do it on a debootstrap of my system correct ? i need to do it on my n800 OR in qemu correct ?00:45
DeformatiWhat is dynamic class loading?00:45
alteregoThanatermesis, you need to install the SDK.00:46
alteregoDeformati, if it's what I think it is, it's basically loading a class at runtime, if you need it.00:46
alteregoBut not if you don't.00:46
DeformatiWell anyways, D has tuples, template mixins,  and a few other cool features.00:46
alteregoIt looks just like C++00:47
alteregoWith a hint of Java.00:47
DeformatiD has a lot of compile time optimization.00:47
DeformatiCompile time function evaluation.00:47
Deformatialterego: it has a bit of functional programming thrown in.00:47
alteregoBut like I said earlier. Speed is of no concern to me 99.9% of the time.00:47
DeformatiThere is no preprocessor.00:47
DeformatiThen why do you care about dynamic class loading?00:48
alteregoSo optimizations, compilation to machine code. It's just a waste of time.00:48
alteregoWhat has dynamic class loading have to do with speed? It's a feature of dynamic programming. Adapting your program to do something if it needs to be done but not otherwise.00:49
DeformatiIt will do work for you.00:49
DeformatiEh, whatever.00:49
alteregoIt saves memory, or maybe you have several possible classes.00:49
DeformatiAnyways, you might want to stop in #d, they are much better at comparing languages than I am, I don't know all these fancy terms.00:49
alteregoAnd you don't know which one you're going to use until runtime.00:49
alteregoC and Ruby are all I need.00:50
_Monkeywhatever is fun for you.  More power to ya00:50
Thanatermesisaloril, exist a better kernel for my n800 ?00:51
Thanatermesisops, alterego i mean00:51
alteregoThanatermesis, just flash the latest IT OS2007 release.00:51
* flip^ decides that debian officially hates him, and no system at his disposal seems to be willing to let him get scratchbox up and running :(00:52
alteregoflip^, what version of debian and were you using the scratchbox repository?00:52
alteregoI found it _extremely_ easy to install scratchbox this morning on debian etch using debian repository.00:53
pupniksidux is the best debian :P00:54
flip^alterego: debian stable, up to date... and yeah, i was using the repository. installed fine, it seemed, but just didn't add any users, and now won't let me as it reckons things aren't in the right places00:54
alteregoWhat on earth have you done :P00:54
alteregoSo you ran /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser <username>00:54
alteregoSometimes it errors saying something about /proc/net/ipv4 blah blah00:55
flip^lol, yeah, and it claims its run_once script hasn't run (even though it's sitting in its renamed _done) place00:55
flip^and if i remove it and put it back on again, even nuking /scratchbox, it just puts itself back in the same state00:56
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flip^and dpkg-reconfigure just throws other errors00:56
alteregoHmmm ..00:56
Thanatermesisalterego, i say that because aparently i need a special kernel for USB keyboards support00:56
flip^and VMWare seems to hate vista, so i can't get that working either to try from scratch00:56
alteregoThanatermesis, not on the N800 you don't.00:56
alteregoHmmm ..00:57
alteregoWhat about VMWare Player under debian?00:57
alteregoUsing a maemo SDK root image.00:57
flip^hmm, that's an interesting idea00:58
flip^actually, i'd not pondered firing up VMWare under debian00:58
Thanatermesisalterego, no ? why no ?00:58
alteregoThat would have happened to me after I slapped my fore head for wanting to use Vista :P00:58
* flip^ goes on a mission to kill scratchbox to start from, well, scratch00:59
alteregoThanatermesis, oh, you said USB keyboard .. I thought you meant bluetooth ;)00:59
Thanatermesisyep, USB keyboard... those are cheap, bluetooth is more beautiful and stuff but... not cheap :/01:00
alteregoflip^, try dpkg --purge scratchbox-core01:00
alteregoThanatermesis, you'll need a special cable too ..01:00
alteregoThere is a how to somewhere around on the web but I can't recall where. Do a search for N800 USB host mode OTG01:01
DeformatiI have a usb cable working.01:01
DeformatiAnd flash drives.01:01
Thanatermesisalterego, I have a female-female cable converter, plugged to the nokia cable one, then i can plug normal usb devices01:01
alteregoThanatermesis, that's handy.01:01
DeformatiThanatermesis: That is not enough.01:02
DeformatiYou need upstream power.01:02
Thanatermesisi need a HUB stuff aparently, no ?01:02
alteregoYeah, a powered hub.01:02
DeformatiThat's one way, yes.01:02
alteregoDepending how much power your keyboard sucks.01:02
Thanatermesisthe bad thing of this is that's needed a power supply...01:02
Deformatialterego: that is incorrect.01:02
Thanatermesiswe are on a portable device but we depend of a power suply, lol01:02
alteregoDeformati, no it isn't.01:02
alteregoThanatermesis, you can use a battery pack.01:03
Thanatermesismaybe solding a battery connector.. :)01:03
alteregoYes, exactly.01:03
DeformatiThe nokia will not recognise that there is a usb cable unless it has upstream power.01:03
Thanatermesisalterego, a la McGyver ? i have search this device and aparently not exists01:03
alteregoWhat device?01:03
ThanatermesisDeformati, and just with the cable and the HUB, the keyboard works directly ?01:03
pupnikshoulda called it bluetoof01:03
Thanatermesisalterego, a HUB with battery's01:03
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alteregoJust buy a small HUB that has a power input, then build a battery pack with the correct connector.01:04
DeformatiThanatermesis: it is more complicated than that.01:04
DeformatiMy statements might be 770 only.01:04
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alteregoDeformati, they are.01:04
alteregoThe N800 has full OTG host mode.01:04
Deformatithe USB chip doesn't seem to turn on unless +5 volts is supplied to the tablet's USB port (just like if it were plugged into a computer.)01:04
alteregoIt is capable of powering a device.01:04
Thanatermesisalterego, yeah, not sounds hard... but maybe a little geek for a girl with all those cables solded and floating with super-glue lol01:05
alteregoYes, that's how the 770 works ..01:05
alteregoI don't know how much power these USB keyboards suck.01:05
Thanatermesisi don't think that sucks much :)01:05
* Deformati shrugs, well, I got the usb keyboard working on the nokia 77001:05
alteregoBut it's possible you can use one without a powered cable ..01:05
pupnikmeter in series01:05
Thanatermesisbut if i plug that powered hub stuff... what' more things is needed ? because i have tried that (with default firmware, now its updated) and the keyboard not has work directly01:06
DeformatiThanatermesis: Try typing in xterm01:07
alteregoTry following instructions :P01:08
DeformatiWhat processor does n800 have?01:08
DeformatiEh, I can wiki it.01:08
DeformatiNever mind.01:08
alteregoThe same one as in the iPhone :)01:08
DeformatiThat is not a ":)"01:09
alteregoOMAP1710 I think01:09
* Deformati kicks apple.01:09
alteregoOh no, that's the 77001:09
_MonkeyOMAP2420 is in the N800 ;)01:09
DeformatiAh, so very similar.01:10
DeformatiAfter the price of n800 drops, I might get one.01:10
alteregoNot really.01:10
DeformatiIt has a dsp and an arm, that is similar.01:10
alteregoThe 2420 is a fair amount more powerful than the 171001:10
alteregoIt has accelerated 3D graphics, though there are no drivers for the N80001:11
alteregoIt's a fair amount faster.01:11
solmumahai second that01:11
alteregoSimilar architecture though.01:11
alteregoStandard TI SoC really ..01:11
flip^isn't there something crazy about the n800 screen processing not being able to keep up with the graphics its actually capable of (hence the poor video in general)?01:12
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alteregoWhat's wrong with the video?01:12
alteregomplayer plays videos amazingly.01:12
flip^most reviews claim its disappointing... while mplayer does a good job, on some files it stutters a bit in places01:12
DeformatiAccelerated 3d graphics is interesting.01:13
DeformatiBut, I don't think it will be worth my money.01:13
ThanatermesisDeformati, the keyboard not seems to work01:13
alteregoDeformati, it'd be more interesting if you could use it ;)01:13
flip^i can't stream over cifs over wireless ... but i didn't really expect to01:13
DeformatiIn a few years, there will be something new.01:13
Deformatialterego: reverse engineer?01:13
DeformatiOr no drivers period?01:13
alteregoI was half tempted to do that.01:13
DeformatiThat is very intresting if they made 3d acceleration, but no specification or driver.01:14
alteregoThere are drivers.01:14
alteregoJust not for the N80001:14
DeformatiReverse engineer. :)01:14
* Deformati still wants D on his nokia...01:14
alteregoWell, Nokia didn't release them. The OMAP2420 has an Imagination technologies compact Open GL capable 3d accelerator01:14
alteregoBased on PowerVR architecture.01:15
alteregoThere are Linux binary drivers, Nokia use the same chip _with_ drivers in the N95 phone as does Apple in the iPhone (BSD kernel)01:15
alteregoThe N95 is Symbian Series 60.01:15
* flip^ hugs his N9501:16
alteregoAnyhow, I don't think they wanted to purchase the rights to use the drivers in the N800.01:16
alteregoWhich is a shame.01:16
DeformatiThen hack the iphone os to work on the nokia?01:16
flip^its probably not enough of a money spinner for them01:16
DeformatiOh wait.01:16
alteregoNow you're being ridiculous :P01:16
* Deformati kicks apple more.01:16
DeformatiNo, apple pisses me off so much.01:17
DeformatiThey say "Oh we love open source, look how much we use."01:17
alteregoThey barely enter my thoughts :)01:17
Deformati"Oh, but you closed it."01:17
Deformati"yeah, we know."01:17
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Deformati"So uh, if you love it, why don't you give back?"01:17
Deformati"Give back?"01:17
flip^"You open it, so we don't have to"01:18
Blacksitobuenas tardes01:18
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* pupnik agrees with alterego 01:19
Thanatermesisalterego, i need to recompile the kernel with those patches for have the USB stuff working ? :/01:19
alteregoI'm a very sensible lad :)01:19
Thanatermesis(not exist any kernel image builded?)01:19
DeformatiAgree about what?01:19
alteregoThanatermesis, possibly. I think there's a repository at Cambridge uni with the kernel images ..01:20
Thanatermesisthat sounds better... no time to play with those things :P01:20
alteregoThere's a repository page on the wiki.01:20
alteregoCheck it out.01:20
* alterego has finally almost finished setting up his laptop.01:21
alteregoIt's taken me since 10am this morning.01:21
alteregoThat's over 12 hours ..01:22
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alteregoRight ..01:35
alteregoSo ..01:35
alteregolibosso bindings ..01:35
alteregoThen I can start working on other stuff.01:36
pupnikholy cow, just saw thoughtfix's tabletblog comparision n800 vs ipod touch ...01:39
pupnikumm... the N900 needs opengl01:40
pupnikthere is NO QUESTION now01:40
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DeformatiHas anyone compiled erlang on the nokia?01:42
Thanatermesiswhat is GPE ?01:44
pupnik!google GPE01:45
alteregoGPE is an environment kind of like Maemo01:47
alteregoWell, actually it's just the "desktop" environment.01:47
alteregoWhere as Maemo is a complete linux distro.01:47
Blacksito~ $ sudo su -01:49
Blacksitosudo: unable to lookup BlackTux via gethostbyname()01:49
alteregosudo su wont work Blacksito.01:50
alteregoIf you want root you'll have to either activate r&d mode or use the gainroot package.01:51
alteregoOr whatever it's called ..01:51
_Monkeyrumour has it gainroot is the crutch of the feeble mind01:53
pupnikwho deleted gainroot01:53
alteregosudo gainroot only wors in r&d mode.01:54
infobotsomebody said works was something I do01:54
* alterego wonders why he bothered with r&d mode ..01:54
pupnikrnd mode is useful if you want to install libraries from the application manager01:54
alteregoI thought you had to use r&d to get gainroot or download that other root obtaining pckage.01:54
pupnikother than that, i know of no end-user use for rnd mode01:55
alteregoAh yes. The red pill mode.01:55
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_Monkeybecomeroot is a quick howto to become root here  and more information is here
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pupnikoh it was becomeroot - sry nm01:59
Blacksitomy osso-application-installer its broken :(01:59
BlacksitoI, enabled the red pill mode01:59
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pupniksorry to heer it Blacksito02:05
pupnikcp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/lib/vlc/visualization/': No such file or directory02:05
Thanatermesishum... exist a lot more of variety of packages for mistral than bora :/02:05
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pupniksome of them will run on Bora02:06
pupnikmaybe most02:06
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Thanatermesiswhat's the better IRC client to use ?02:18
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alteregoPidgin is pretty good.02:20
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DeformatiWhat filesystem is best for a mmc card with mostly media on it?02:37
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DeformatiI doubt that.02:55
DeformatiOh, by the way alterego, dunno if you would be interested in this or not, but are definite plans for lisp ast macros in D.02:56
DeformatiMaybe xfs,  why vfat?02:56
alteregoAccessible from everything.02:56
DeformatiAnd I was wondering, how doesn't the swapspace on the mmc card not reach it's write cycles?02:56
pupnikcrazy device - phone with 3.5" touchscreen and playstation/nes emulator and gaming controls02:56
DeformatiBut I don't have any other devices that need rs-mmc cards02:57
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pupnikamazing that the chinese can build such a thing and then do nothing in the software / promotion / distribution department03:03
erstaziDeformati: nokia has always used (rs)-mmc03:06
erstaziDeformati: nevermind, just tired here03:06
erstazipupnik: what is amazing is that China doesn't use open source more03:06
pupniki wonder if they did for those emulators03:09
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alteregoWell, there's more of them. You'd think that they use it more ;)03:21
pupnik  there's a video of the A81603:23
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pupnikthose guys are hilarious... copying the playstation and windows logos right on their devices03:30
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unique311pupnik, so its ok to bootleg something in china04:18
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pupniki duno04:23
pupnikthey seem to be kind of the 'wild west' of capitalism04:23
pupniknice controls on that phone though, and it's freakin cheaper than a gp2x04:24
unique311its a modified psp04:26
pupnikwhere did you get this info?04:26
unique311it looks like a psp..04:29
unique311you ever seen a psp pupnik?04:29
unique311thats a psp with lots of buttons.04:30
pupniksorry i misunderstood you04:39
pupnikiif it were hackable at all, i'd be real tempted04:40
pupnik130 euro is chump change04:41
* pupnik needs better sounds for xu404:44
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BuckWilderthis might be a common problem, but I'm unable to find anything on google to get this thing to work04:50
BuckWilderI'm trying to install the ncurses-bin package and it breaks somewhere04:50
BuckWilderI'm trying to install it because it's part of gstreamer-extra-plugins or something, which I need to use the tuner tool04:50
BuckWilderbut the install keeps failing, something about usr/bin/clear04:51
pupniklook at the log in application manager04:51
BuckWilderI'm doing it from ssh04:52
pupnikah then you have an error04:53
pupnikdo you want to tell me what the error is?04:55
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BuckWilderyeah, one second04:57
jumpulaprobably some of the core packages that have been technically provided, have not been provided completely04:58
BuckWilderit's trying to rename /usr/bin/clear and failing04:58
jumpulaeg. a missing binary or something04:58
jumpulapostinst uses something which doesn't exist04:58
BuckWildermv: cannot rename '/usr/bin/clear': No such file or directory04:58
BuckWilder trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/clear', which is also in package busybox04:59
jumpulaah. so, busybox offers clear and some other package is trying to offer it as wel..04:59
pupnikit is possible to overwrite with dpkg -i <package> --force-overwrite05:00
pupniknot sure if that is advisable though05:00
BuckWilderyeah, wouldn't that screw up the stuff that uses busybox?05:00
pupnikseems to me the ncurses-bin that is being installed is not properly configured for your system (bora)05:01
jumpulayou can remove the link manually and try installing after that05:01
pupniki have ncurses-bin installed and it did not conflict with busybox05:01
pupnikgood call jumpula05:01
jumpulaor try making a diversion05:01
BuckWilderokay, how do I do that then?05:02
BuckWilderI'm somewhat of a linux amateur05:02
jumpulaif something goes bad, you can always restore the symlink by hand _)05:02
pupnikto rename clear, mv /usr/bin/clear /usr/bin/clear-old  (as root)05:03
BuckWildermv: cannot rename '/usr/bin/clear': No such file or directory05:04
BuckWilderso supposedly busybox supplies clear but it isn't actually supplying clear?05:04
BuckWilderthere's a busybox.clear in /usr/bin/05:05
BuckWilderno actual clear tho05:05
pupniki don't have a N800 so i can't give you precise help05:07
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pupnikapparently you are correct05:07
pupnikso if there's no /usr/bin/clear, and the ncurses-bin expects a clear to rename, it fails05:07
pupnikso you could create a fake 'clear' in /usr/bin05:08
pupnikby typing05:08
pupniktouch /usr/bin/clear05:08
pupnikthat would create an empty file in /usr/bin05:08
pupnikthen the ncurses-bin install would rename that and possibly proceed05:08
pupnikbut there's something odd about the situation05:08
pupnikmaybe the ncurses-bin is expecting a different version of busybox?05:09
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pupnikif so you could also try upgrading busybox with05:09
pupnikapt-get update && apt-get install busybox05:09
BuckWilderokay, thanks, I'm running the update now05:10
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BuckWilderW: GPG error: bora Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG CBFC2BECC6903E72 Nokia Internet Tablet Archive Automatic Signing Key <>05:11
BuckWilderthat's at the tail of the update05:11
BuckWildershould I be running the factory installed OS?05:11
BuckWildercuz I haven't ever re-flashed it or anything05:11
pupniki wouldn't worry about a bad signature05:12
pupnikdid it upgrade busybox?05:12
pupnikrather, did you apt-get install busybox?05:13
unique311BuckWilder: i had the same issue with ncurse-bin05:13
BuckWildersaid busybox was latest version05:13
pupnikok - what's the solution unique311 ?05:13
unique311found the fix on a russian site05:13
unique311check the logs05:13
unique311google search unique311 ncurses-bin irc05:13
unique311the link to the site should be in the logs..05:14
unique311i remember this, because it broke dpkg..05:14
unique311i'll search for it for ya..05:14
unique311give me a sec05:15
BuckWilderI'm able to remove the crappily installed package using the command in the logs, I found that online before I got here05:15
BuckWilderbut I still can't get it to install05:15
unique311i didn't bother trying to install it after i fixed what it did to dpkg.05:17
BuckWilderit's a dependency in a lot of things tho05:18
BuckWilderhas anyone got it to successfully install?05:18
BuckWilderit could be pulling from the wrong repository couldn't it?05:19
BuckWilderwhat repository do people usually install ncurses-bin from?05:20
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BuckWildernm, I didn't need it anyway05:24
BuckWilderthought I did just because it was whining, it probably tried to install it earlier, failed and was complaining about the earlier failure05:25
pupnikvi is so cool05:25
BuckWilderhas anyone gotten that iphone keyboard to work at all?05:32
BuckWilderthat looked interesting05:32
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iballpupnik, you still here?06:00
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libraIs there anybody to know  about H.264?06:07
disqit's a codec?06:08
librayeah.but gstream does not contain it.06:09
libraI want to design a VOD system useing gstreamer frameworkin WLAN.The N800 is the client device.06:12
libraI use the X264 as encoding.06:13
librabut there is not a plugin to decode H.264 in Gstreamer.06:14
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pupnikiball: back06:24
pupnikfixing up xu4: Ultima 4 annoyances atm06:24
iballso I see from the forums06:27
iballtoo lazy to test it right now though06:27
pupnikwell it mostly works atm06:27
pupnikjust needs keyboard which is a bummer06:27
pupniknot too much work needed to get stylus going - but... meh06:28
pupnikwhat's up?06:30
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pupnikhrm actually totally wrong - it's a bit of a pain to handle the dialogue06:47
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BuckWilderI'm confused, how could you hook a keyboard up to the N800 using usb?07:21
BuckWilderI see the settings in the control panel, but how does that even work07:21
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LordFlimney<a href="">Invade Australia!</a>09:35
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JaffaMorning, all10:46
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janidoes GtkFixed container coordinates start from upper or lower left corner ?10:57
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jjo_but fixed layout is bad ;)11:03
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pupnikis anybody else porting dosbox 0.72 to an ARM?12:00
pupniki'm the only person on the planet?12:00
pupnik... on... the... fucking... planet?12:00
pupniki need to google more12:01
gla55_you're the only one12:02
flip^i thought i saw it somewhere else actually. not sure tho12:03
pupnikbeen searching for these errors for a coupla weeeeeks12:05
pupnikdoesn't really matter though 0.65 works fine12:06
pupnikand 0.72 isn't going to yield any magical speed improvements12:06
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lgshi everybody. How can I test pymaemo for Chinook?12:24
lgsI read this post:
lgsbut it said I need to setup the Bora repositories12:24
lgswhen I want to use the Chinook ones12:25
pupnik  = Primus - Laquerhead12:27
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lardmanmorning all13:00
lardmanhi pupnik13:05
pupnikdo you like Ren * Stimpy?13:05
pupniksoemtimes after working on something i feel like ren13:05
lardmanheard of it, not seen it13:06
pupnikok if you ever want to destroy after something doesn't work, maybe you will think that is funny13:06
* lardman is watching13:07
lardman:) wierd!13:09
pupnikyes, you missing the context13:11
pupnikbut this is the flavor of RnS - it affected much animation13:11
pupnikfrom late 1980s early 90s - spongebob copied the style, as did many others13:11
gla55_ren & stimpy rocks13:12
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gla55_with theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese hands13:14
gla55_that fanclub ep is one of the best13:14
lardmanwhere does syslogd log to?13:15
lardmanby default13:15
sp3000the usual13:15
sp3000depends on whether you mean default as in not installed or default when installed13:16
lardmandefault once installed13:16
sp3000the latter is /var/log/syslog iirc13:16
lardmanah, found it at last in the conf file13:18
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lardmaneasy as that, found my problem13:20
lardmanlogread is a part of busybox isn't it? I'd like to use a memory buffer rather than a file, as I'm getting lots of messages13:21
lardmanah, it can be done anyway, I've rtfm13:23
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lardmanargh, Windows focus doesn't follow the mouse!13:25
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pupnikheh wow oldschool13:30
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edistarhello! can anyone recommend a bluetooth keyboard that is very small?13:50
flip^if anyone can recommend a bluetooth keyboard that works with the n800 and is relatively easy to get hold of in the UK, that'd be useful too ;)13:51
nomisedistar: frogpad?  :)13:52
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edistarnomis: I was looking for a qwerty one ... but frogpad looks funny ;) is it usable?14:04
nomisedistar: I have no idea.14:06
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edistarnomis: thx anyway14:09
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alteregoWell, looks like my servers bandwidth issue has been sorted :)15:18
* alterego jumps with joy.15:18
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florianhi all15:26
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klabusterhi there15:30
klabusterare there problems with shared libraries on the n800?? cannot find anything related...15:31
klabusterwhen i run my synthetic speech engine to tell me it's version i get:15:31
klabusterFailed to load library libceplang_de due to: shared libraries not supported on this platform15:31
alteregoklabuster, might have better luck on the mailing list.15:33
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Thanatermesiswhat IM's with msn support exists for n800 ?15:35
_Monkeywell, pidgin is
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VladDracI'm gonna leave this channel until I've found my 77015:40
VladDracunless someone knows where I left it15:40
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JaffaSSH in and get it to play sound?15:42
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Jaffaklabuster: there aren't any problems with shared libraries AFAIK15:43
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klabusterJaffa: so is this output from the programm or from the kernel??15:49
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klabusterhi etrunko15:53
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etrunkohi klabuster15:55
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zeenixhey mallum16:03
zeenixmallum: i beat you in announcing the release this time :)16:03
zeenixon planet gnome that is16:03
mallumhey zeenix16:03
_Monkeyzeenix is just sore since he has trouble learning finnish ;)16:03
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zeenix_Monkey: no! i am sore because i spent the whole sunday in a finnish familly event and they all spoke finnish the all the time..16:05
_MonkeyOK, zeenix.16:05
infobotzeenix meant: _Monkey: no! i am sore because i spent the whole sunday with a finnish familly event and they all spoke finnish the all the time..16:05
zeenixinfobot: kitti16:06
jumpulazeenix: sinulla oli ilmeisesti rattoisa viikonlkoppu? :]16:06
jumpulaoops. viikonloppu.16:06
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dpb_jumpula: go back to your holiday!16:07
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jumpulano. the night is young, net is cheap and i'm behind the largets firewalls built by man.16:07
infobotjumpula meant: no. the night is young, net is cheap and i'm behind the largest firewalls built by man.16:08
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dnearyqgil about?16:21
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Blacksitobuenos dias16:57
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jjessedon't know if this is the best place, but i just got my nokia n800 today and would like to connect to my work wireless over WPA w/ TKIP if possible17:02
dragornif it's not in the little set of options in the config manager17:03
dragornit isn't possible17:03
dragornI don't know if wpa-tkip is or not, it should show up if it is.  Some wpa modes are.17:04
jjessei see wpa pre-shared and wpa-eap17:04
dragornwpa-peap works w/ the cert manager, I've never tried tkip17:04
dragornunfortunately for you, the wpa management code is embedded in the binary part of the wireless drivers (or was the last time I looked 6 months ago)17:05
jjessework uses tkip17:05
dragornwhich means it can't use wpa_supplicant and no-one can add support to it17:05
jjesseoh ok17:06
dragornI'm not 100% that tkip support doesn't exist17:06
dragornbut if you can't find it, theres no cool hack to add it unfortunately17:06
jjessethat's a bummer, oh well i'll work on figurign things out17:07
dragorngood luck, check the wiki incase I'm wrong but I don't think theres been any real changes in the wireless driver17:07
flip^can you tell a n800 to not turn off the display if its plugged into the mains...17:12
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c0ffeethere's a gconf setting for after how many minutes the display is turned of17:15
c0ffeeyou can set that to "don't turn it off"17:15
zeenixmallum: just checked out device sniffer and universal cp on n800, the only problem i could see was the UI not tailored for the device/small screen17:15
c0ffeeneeds a bit scripting probably, but it should be possible17:15
flip^i guess that could be better than it going off all the time at work when i've got it checking my mail... not sure how i'd check if the power is plugged in17:16
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rwhitbyflip^: there is a tool which saves settings independently for battery and mains scenarios17:36
rwhitbyand when on mains it pings something to keep the internet connection up17:36
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flip^rwhitby: any idea what that tool is called?17:44
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rwhitbyflip^: no, and I left my n800 at work.17:46
rwhitbyif you see me in 10 hours from now, remind me.17:47
flip^this channel doens't have a reminder bot, does it17:47
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flip^i'll probably be asleep in 10 hours ;)17:47
rwhitbyanywhere between 10 hours and 20 hours will be fine17:49
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rwhitbyflip^: you're in luck:
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flip^rwhitby: ooh cheers. To think, I grabbed a couple of things from that site and never spotted that one17:53
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sbzhi, my nokia n800 doesn't boot anymore, anyone have an idea ?19:17
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jkyroanybody know dbus internals?19:25
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jkyrod-bus proxy method calls are hanging without an internet connection, the stupid thing is trying to download DTDs19:26
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mgedminsbz: did you upgrade something? did you install something?  did you let the battery run out completely?19:36
sbznon, i'd play with the /dev/mntblck3 to help an user Thanatermis, and black out now19:37
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kikka__Is there any known problem with the display of the n770? The Display of my n770 is not clear. its terrible. (sorry, for my bad english).20:41
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flip^mine n800 is fine, and i think they kept the same screen on the n800 because it worked so well on the 77020:50
kikka__I mean the touchscreen is broken.21:00
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TPCanyone know of a good music player for the N800 that can play vorbis?21:05
TPCusing mplayer in xterm is starting to get annoying :P21:05
flip^does the mplayer gui not find them?21:06
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flip^any synergy users about?21:08
TPCthe mplayer frontend is only for videos, isn't it?21:08
flip^it might be. i've not tried it with anything else so far21:08
TPCeven if it can handle music, it can't do things like playlist randomization21:09
kikka__Whats about xmms?21:11
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TPCthere is an xmms port?21:14
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TPCan app that would be nice to have ported to the N800 would be moc (music on console), a very nice curses-based music player21:19
||cwso port it, it's probably just a matter of compiling it21:22
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TPCI can't get the development environment to work on my computer21:25
TPCbinaries are not aviable for my architecture, I tried compiling it but it failed21:26
TPCI may set up a x86 virtual machine in the future to do it, but I don't want to do that just to compile one app21:27
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||cwTPC: someone has a vmware appliance all setup21:28
flip^ooh, they do?21:29
TPCI wonder if qemu can boot that21:29
||cwthey have a qemu one as well21:29
||cwthough vmware is WAY faster in my experience21:30
TPCwith kqemu qemu is pretty fast, same if you have a cpu with KVM support and a modified qemu that takes advantage of it (altought my cpu doesn't)21:31
TPCbut I don't really need speed in this case :P21:31
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* flip^ decides that synergy as a client or server (client preferred) hates him when he puts a n800 into the mix21:33
TPCI think I'm gonna set up the qemu environment, play around some with it :)21:34
||cwwhen i got the OLPC XO qemu image it was painfully slow, unusable even, converted it to a vmware image and it was quiet responsive21:35
||cwquite even21:35
TPCyou probably didn't have kqemu21:37
TPCkqemu is a kernel module that add hooks so qemu can use the hardware directly for some things21:37
TPCvmware does the same with its kernel modules21:37
TPCaltought qemu, unlike vmware which just doesn't work without the kernel modules, falls back on doing those things in software if the kernel modules are not aviable21:38
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bthello guys23:36
btI'm new here23:36
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pupnikhi bt23:48
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