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| t_s_o | http://code.google.com/p/erminig/ <- found this while reading this: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6693&highlight=gpe+calender+google+sync | 00:02 |
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| Tb0n3 | well, I don't seem to see many emulators, only see mame, NES, and GBA | 00:03 |
| Tb0n3 | well, doesn't quite matter but it would be awsome none the less | 00:03 |
| |tbb| | hi all, i have noticed that if i start chat with the n800 built in instant messenger, it first disconnect before it reconnects to it again. which means someone drop u a message u get a notify on the "contact symbol" then u hit the chat icon, and then u got dis and reconnect. Is this a bug? | 00:03 |
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| Blacksitox | hi | 00:12 |
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| killfill | t_s_o: too bad its just for google calendar... | 00:15 |
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| t_s_o | i thought that was what was asked for | 00:15 |
| killfill | oh yah.. 50% :).. need to sync with my office calendar.. we use egroupware.. it has a ical thingy | 00:16 |
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| dobey | is this the best place to chat with the "browser" devs? | 00:17 |
| t_s_o | well i cant help there killfill | 00:18 |
| killfill | it uses syncML 1.1 | 00:21 |
| killfill | with user/pass and all.. | 00:21 |
| killfill | it owuld be very cool to sync the calendar, contacts and tasks.. :P | 00:21 |
| * killfill dreaming... | 00:21 | |
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| dobey | hrmm | 00:33 |
| t_s_o | for some reason syncing, to anything else then google calender, is a hassle... | 00:33 |
| killfill | :S | 00:34 |
| t_s_o | i was looking into syncing my phone and my 770 and at best i could find a port of opensync that needed me to go terminal and do some work there to get it going... | 00:34 |
| t_s_o | but then i get the idea of personal sync with google calender. but then i have never liked to hand my "life" over the google. no matter how strict they stick to they "dont be evil" slogan | 00:35 |
| killfill | heh | 00:35 |
| killfill | yah.. | 00:35 |
| alterego | Set up your own PIM suite on your own personal site. | 00:35 |
| killfill | and well ive heard google gives info very easily | 00:35 |
| alterego | Google are evil. | 00:36 |
| alterego | Useful, but evil :) | 00:36 |
| killfill | yup. but anyway, i need to sync calendar with the work.. using syncml... | 00:36 |
| killfill | hehe | 00:36 |
| t_s_o | alterego: why should i go that far when all i want to do is sync with my desktop computer, mobile phone and 770? | 00:36 |
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| alterego | t_s_o, you don't have to go that far if that's all you want ;) | 00:36 |
| alterego | I'd love to write a PIM suite. | 00:37 |
| alterego | Maybe I'll do that in Ruby :) | 00:37 |
| t_s_o | heh | 00:37 |
| alterego | Once I've done this stable build. I'll start working on some proper Ruby internet tablet apps :) | 00:37 |
| killfill | oh i love ruby. | 00:38 |
| t_s_o | it would be nice to get kontacts (kde) to talk to dates or gpe-calender and my phone. but so far it looks as to much work for me to undertake | 00:38 |
| killfill | can help you with it :) | 00:38 |
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| alterego | killfill, http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk | 00:38 |
| alterego | I maintain the ruby port and bindings for Maemo :) | 00:38 |
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| xeos | Hi, is there any experiences about extend the root fs on IT06He? | 00:40 |
| * killfill bookmarking.. :) | 00:40 | |
| alterego | xeos, you can always dual boot with an MMC card :) | 00:40 |
| alterego | killfill, the site is pretty crappy at the moment. I'd like to stick a development RSS feed up there. | 00:40 |
| alterego | So people can subscribe to the updates. Maybe a repository too. | 00:41 |
| killfill | yah.. would be cool | 00:41 |
| alterego | (debian repositiory) I've already setup an SVN repo. | 00:41 |
| killfill | ill put an eye on your site. | 00:41 |
| xeos | alterego: thanks for you response, I will take a look | 00:41 |
| alterego | np :) | 00:42 |
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| xeos | It sounds nice and seems works for me. The idea is I am building a emacs deb package for maemo but I have not enough free space at disk lol :-) | 00:49 |
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| Hviid | Hi... I got a Nokia N800, can anybody tell me, how I get it to execute a command at startup? | 00:54 |
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| alterego | Hviid, become root and create an init script | 00:57 |
| fish_ | is there a limit for the mmc card size on nokia 770? | 00:58 |
| dobey | fish_: the kernel on the 770 probably doesn't handle the larger cards | 00:59 |
| Hviid | alterego, okay, but the problem then is, I need it to open a homepage, but I can't seem to find, the command that opens the browser, has it something to do with maemo.launcher? | 00:59 |
| alterego | You can use dbus-send to open the browser | 00:59 |
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| xeos | fish_: my n770 works fine with a 2gb mmc | 01:02 |
| flip^ | is there any merit to having more than 128m swap on a n800? | 01:03 |
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| alterego | flip^, I didn't think you can. | 01:04 |
| Hviid | alterego, sorry I'm new at this :S but dont quiet understand, what parameters it wants | 01:05 |
| flip^ | alterego: i imagine if you did it manually from the command line it could be done... | 01:05 |
| alterego | Hviid, I'm sure there's an entry on the wiki that tells you how to launch the browser from the console. | 01:05 |
| alterego | Using dbus .. | 01:05 |
| Hviid | ok thx | 01:05 |
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| t_s_o | how much wear on the flash does swap produce? | 01:06 |
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| flip^ | t_s_o: in theory, it shortens the life of a card, but no one i know has ever had one wear out on them | 01:07 |
| t_s_o | not like that person that managed to kill a usbkey by having the mount set to sync? | 01:07 |
| t_s_o | maybe i should turn on some swap on my 770 then, mozilla seem to behave better when i do so | 01:07 |
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| xeos | Problems, `mount -t jffs2 /dev/mtdblock4 /floppy' failed, any idea? | 01:13 |
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| xeos | if anyone knows why it fails, then tell me please | 01:40 |
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| Tb0n3 | what sort of connection does the 770 have that could be "hacked" to be a user-end usb connection? | 01:51 |
| Tb0n3 | and how would one go about it, because I have a SIRF III usb gps that would be great for gps in the car | 01:51 |
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| bmidgley | Tb0n3 people have switched the usb port to host mode | 01:56 |
| bmidgley | you need external power for it | 01:56 |
| bmidgley | bunch of soldering | 01:56 |
| bmidgley | might be easier to buy a bt gps | 01:56 |
| Lateralus | s/might/it would/ | 01:57 |
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| xeos | solved, all works right now, thanks | 02:48 |
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| |R | i havent received my N800 yet but i was wondering if the SD Cards showed up (mountable) when you plugged in the N800 ? | 03:20 |
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| saaib | |R, it does in the 770, so I'm almost sure it does in 800 | 03:22 |
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| |R | saaib : cool thanks :) | 03:24 |
| |R | cause i don't have a SDHC reader and thought i could save a few $ ;) | 03:24 |
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| alterego | |R, the N800 acts as an SD/MMC card reader when plugged in using the USB cable. | 03:34 |
| alterego | If you install the openssh server package you can mount them over wifi too :) | 03:35 |
| |R | I'm really eager to have some ssh/bash/vim fun at the bar ;) | 03:35 |
| alterego | It's cool. | 03:37 |
| alterego | -vim | 03:37 |
| alterego | -bash | 03:37 |
| alterego | +ash | 03:38 |
| alterego | +nano | 03:38 |
| alterego | vi is installed, but I'm an emacs guy ;) | 03:38 |
| |R | i'm sorry :P | 03:39 |
| |R | hehe, just joking :) | 03:39 |
| alterego | Finally .. | 03:40 |
| |R | Is there a major incompatibility between software on the 770 and 800 ? | 03:40 |
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| alterego | Not between the latest OS2006 for 770 and OS2007 for N800 | 03:44 |
| Tb0n3 | I thought the 770 only took MMCmobile cards | 03:44 |
| alterego | There are slight API changes but nothing too dramatic. | 03:44 |
| Tb0n3 | does it take sd? | 03:44 |
| Tb0n3 | other than the look and speed | 03:44 |
| alterego | The 770 only takes mini MMC | 03:44 |
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| Tb0n3 | right | 03:45 |
| Tb0n3 | thought so | 03:45 |
| * alterego installs the latest ruby port. | 03:46 | |
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| |R | so anything 2006+ should work everywhere (binaries) ? | 03:46 |
| Tb0n3 | oh god, I just bought a 5 lb bag of mike & ikes | 03:46 |
| alterego | No, not everything. Like I said there are some API changes. | 03:46 |
| alterego | A fair amount of software works on both devices. | 03:47 |
| |R | oh ok :) | 03:47 |
| alterego | ruby-maemo is cross tablet. | 03:48 |
| alterego | So much so, that the next release wont even need seperate ruby-hildon packages. :) | 03:49 |
| alterego | It'll dynamically "fix" the API. :) | 03:49 |
| |R | hehe good :) | 03:49 |
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| Tb0n3 | what place should I look for OS 2006 applications | 04:00 |
| Tb0n3 | and should I update to another OS 2006 plus release, ones with etc2/3, 2GB card support, etc | 04:03 |
| t_s_o | hmm, so a 2GB mmc mobile card will not work in the 770? | 04:07 |
| Tb0n3 | not without an update, no, it's listed on nokia's website as 1GB max | 04:07 |
| t_s_o | ah, i thought i read about someone having it working. could be they did something to the kernel | 04:08 |
| alterego | I think that limit is with the original ITOS | 04:08 |
| alterego | Most are shipped now with the latest IT2006 | 04:08 |
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| t_s_o | so what is the diff between micro and mobile again? | 04:09 |
| alterego | I've never heard of mobile. | 04:09 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, seems to be a smaller mmcplus | 04:10 |
| Tb0n3 | lol "USB 2.0 device mode for PC connectivity (with speeds up to 12Mbps)" | 04:11 |
| Tb0n3 | usb 2.0 "full speed" | 04:11 |
| Tb0n3 | any specific way of updating the kernel to the new 2006? | 04:12 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, im guessing that going with rs-mmc of 1GB size should be safe | 04:14 |
| The_Blob | Were you looking into getting a larger one? | 04:14 |
| t_s_o | there was a 2GB mmcmobile. but if its not supported, well... | 04:15 |
| The_Blob | Well | 04:15 |
| The_Blob | I have a 2GB RS-MMC in my 770 if that makes a difference in your decision.. :> | 04:15 |
| t_s_o | cant find one around here that i know of | 04:16 |
| The_Blob | I found mine on ebay, was in HK I think | 04:16 |
| The_Blob | I found some 256 and 512s in stores locally but that's about it, noone even had 1GB ones in the stores | 04:16 |
| The_Blob | Not exactly easy to come by ;) | 04:17 |
| t_s_o | hmm, looking at wikipedia it seems that all of them should be able to work as a mmc, only that mmcplus has a 4-bit and 8-bit bus ability, and the micro has a (optional) 4-bit one | 04:18 |
| t_s_o | hmm, the micro would probably need a adapter to act as a rs-mmc as its 11mm wide vs the rs-mmc's 24mm | 04:19 |
| The_Blob | Might even be hard to come by a micro->RS adapter anyway | 04:20 |
| The_Blob | If it's still 'mmc' it's probably electrically compatible though | 04:21 |
| t_s_o | unless they ship with one. got a m2 for my phone a while ago (sonyericsson, yep i knew about the memory but i had good experience with the brand and it had the features i wanted. and it looks like future ones from them will have a dual reader that can do SD variants to) and it came with a adapter | 04:21 |
| alterego | Good night people | 04:22 |
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| The_Blob | In any case, I hope I didn't speak too soon, I was only lurking here for a few minutes before I spoke up | 04:22 |
| t_s_o | heh, interesting table on that wikipedia page. the mmcplus, with its 8-bit bus looks like it should peak at 416Mbit/s | 04:23 |
| The_Blob | I'll have to check that out | 04:23 |
| The_Blob | But for now I'm out | 04:23 |
| The_Blob | cheers | 04:23 |
| t_s_o | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MultiMediaCard | 04:23 |
| The_Blob | thx for the link ;) | 04:23 |
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| Tb0n3 | I'll never buy a memory card off of ebay after the shit I've heard about MS pro duos | 04:51 |
| Tb0n3 | and they're all gone | 04:51 |
| Tb0n3 | lul | 04:51 |
| Blacksitox | bye | 04:51 |
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| Tb0n3 | anyhow, they don't have magicgate and are so slow that psps can't read game isos fast enough to play off it | 04:52 |
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| sparr | Tb0n3: i think your choice of sony's proprietary "Memory Stick" was the first mistake in that chain of events | 05:28 |
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| pupnik | Arthur... Arthur... King of the Britons... | 05:59 |
| pupnik | oh sry | 05:59 |
| Tb0n3 | like I had a choice? I've got a psp with a custom firmware | 06:01 |
| Tb0n3 | so I play games for free as well as use it for internet radio, emulate snes/psx/nes/genesis, wifi sniffer/media player | 06:02 |
| Tb0n3 | 2 GB stick from walmart, coulda gotten it cheaper elsewhere but it was 12am and I wanted to h4x it | 06:03 |
| Tb0n3 | fux | 06:11 |
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| unique311 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=77948#post77948 | 06:34 |
| unique311 | video chat..... | 06:34 |
| unique311 | gizmo, came thru | 06:34 |
| unique311 | don't bother if you have rtcomm installed, gizmo 4.0 for the n800 crashes real bad. | 06:38 |
| pupnik | sweet | 06:38 |
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| pupnik | "DOSBox on a 1.7 Gigahertz PC is roughly the equivalent of a 25MHz 386 PC." | 06:43 |
| pupnik | considering that, the tablet doesn't run it that badly | 06:44 |
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| * pupnik does the grunt work for sound samples for xu4 that nobody ever has properly done yet :/ | 06:53 | |
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| * nelson made an external battery pack holder. | 07:07 | |
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| pupnik | nice - i'd like a power plug that doesn't have so much leverage | 07:07 |
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| nelson | pupnik: this one is integrated into the case wrapper. | 07:08 |
| nelson | Photos once I have daylight. | 07:08 |
| pupnik | cool | 07:08 |
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| nelson | pupnik: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270157739858&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=017 | 07:14 |
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| pupnik | cool | 07:22 |
| pupnik | great product | 07:23 |
| nelson | Does camera-2.9.2video actually upload to flickr or is that just a tease? | 07:24 |
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| nelson | pupnik: but .... I can't find it in their ebay store anymore. | 07:25 |
| nelson | v. annoying, especially since I was just going to brag about my wonderful form-fitting external battery. | 07:25 |
| nelson | Hmmmm..... same product seems to be available still: http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Universal-External-Battery-for-PDA-and-Cell-Phone_W0QQitemZ230174242726QQihZ013QQcategoryZ15034QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem | 07:26 |
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| pupnik | looking at the intel UMG platform roadmap ... ARM is going to get some competition :/ | 08:04 |
| pupnik | McCaslin, Menlow, Moorestown | 08:05 |
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| pupnik | A very small bicycle .. http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/uploaded_images/SinclairABike-771352.jpg | 08:08 |
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| rene4jazz | Hi people | 08:14 |
| nelson | Obviously, then, you feel that I fall into the class ``people''. | 08:15 |
| nelson | Makes my heart giddy with joy. | 08:15 |
| rene4jazz | I'am having this error: /scratchbox/tools/bin/chown: `messagebus.messagebus': invalid user | 08:15 |
| nelson | pupnik: yes, I've looked at that bike. Problem is it has a 180lb weight limit. | 08:15 |
| rene4jazz | that's trying to install gconf2 | 08:15 |
| rene4jazz | ups, did not catch that | 08:16 |
| rene4jazz | bit | 08:18 |
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| rene4jazz | does any one know what is the cause? | 08:19 |
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| rene4jazz | I'am using SDK 2.2 gregale | 08:22 |
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| pupnik | nope | 08:22 |
| pupnik | gregale, gconf2... i might have that | 08:23 |
| pupnik | Filename: pool/herring/main/g/gconf2/gconf2_2.6.4.14-osso2_armel.deb | 08:23 |
| pupnik | hfmf | 08:23 |
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| rene4jazz | i did not catch the idea, sorry | 08:24 |
| pupnik | rene4jazz: you can dpkg-x the gconf package and look at the postinst script to see where it is getting the username from | 08:25 |
| pupnik | dpkg -X | 08:25 |
| rene4jazz | ok, i'll see | 08:25 |
| pupnik | or apt-get source gconf to see it | 08:25 |
| pupnik | i don't know what's wrong - that's just how i would work backwards from the error message | 08:26 |
| rene4jazz | ok roger | 08:26 |
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| e-squizo | any scratchbox2 users? I can't seem to get it to run "af-sb-init.sh start" as instructed in http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html#settingup | 08:36 |
| e-squizo | of course, that example uses scratchbox,. not sb2... | 08:37 |
| e-squizo | but I kinda expected them to work similarly | 08:37 |
| pupnik | what error message? | 08:38 |
| e-squizo | pupnik: tons of them | 08:51 |
| e-squizo | essentially: it doesn't find any of the programs | 08:51 |
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| e-squizo | I expected the sb2 -e command to drop me in some kind of "virtual N800" box | 08:52 |
| e-squizo | but it doesn't | 08:52 |
| e-squizo | maybe I failed to understand the whole concept? | 08:54 |
| pupnik | are you logged-in? | 08:54 |
| pupnik | cd /scratchbod && ./login | 08:54 |
| pupnik | s/bod/box | 08:54 |
| e-squizo | lemme see | 08:54 |
| e-squizo | first things first: this is scratchbox2, not scratchbx | 08:55 |
| e-squizo | I understand scratchbox installs to /scratchbox, whereas sb2 does not | 08:55 |
| pupnik | ok | 08:57 |
| e-squizo | I have no "login" program in my maemo-root tree... | 08:57 |
| e-squizo | pupnik: so... it doesn't look like I can login | 08:57 |
| pupnik | i dont' know sb2 | 08:58 |
| e-squizo | pupnik: thanks anyway | 08:58 |
| e-squizo | it's what comes with Debian unstable.. | 08:59 |
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| pupnik | apt-cache show scratchbox-core | 09:06 |
| pupnik | Version: 1.0.7 | 09:06 |
| pupnik | if you find a maemo-specific howto for scratchbox2 post the link here pls | 09:07 |
| e-squizo | apt-cache show scratchbox-core | 09:07 |
| e-squizo | W: Unable to locate package scratchbox-core | 09:07 |
| pupnik | hmm i have debian sid here | 09:07 |
| pupnik | oh that means you don't have it installed | 09:07 |
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| pupnik | if you apt-cache search scratchbox you should see scratchbox-core | 09:08 |
| e-squizo | pupnik: http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=sbox2.git;a=blob;hb=HEAD;f=README | 09:08 |
| e-squizo | pupnik: unfortunately, I don't | 09:09 |
| pupnik | interestiing - looks like sb2 does work | 09:09 |
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| e-squizo | $ apt-cache search --names-only scratchbox | 09:09 |
| e-squizo | scratchbox2 - Transparent cross compiling environment | 09:09 |
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| e-squizo | pupnik: cool! now, just tell me, how? | 09:09 |
| e-squizo | :-) | 09:09 |
| pupnik | just reading your link | 09:10 |
| e-squizo | pupnik: ah | 09:10 |
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| pupnik | deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free is where i think i'm getting it | 09:11 |
| e-squizo | according to that link, it should work | 09:11 |
| pupnik | how do i do an apt-search that shows me which repository contains which package? | 09:11 |
| e-squizo | I have deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free | 09:12 |
| e-squizo | good question... let me see if I find an answer | 09:12 |
| pupnik | strange - that is only kernel i think | 09:12 |
| e-squizo | nope | 09:13 |
| pupnik | ah ok | 09:13 |
| e-squizo | that is all of Debian | 09:13 |
| rene4jazz | what is the purpose of sbox_configure? | 09:15 |
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| pupnik | http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/8985/swivelyf5.gif nice concept for a swivel-out keyboard (slide-out has patent issues) | 09:23 |
| vesa | not very practical compared to slideout. onehand operation prettymuch impossible | 09:34 |
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| `0660 | i think it should have a button which would pop it out :) | 09:41 |
| `0660 | it could play futuristic sounds while doing it :) | 09:42 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:00 |
| flip^ | morning | 11:02 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 11:02 |
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| lardman | morning all | 11:30 |
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| pupnik | so then dialogue would be something like this: | 11:38 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/xu4_onscreenctls7greywood_smc_ani.gif | 11:38 |
| flip^ | is there anything on a n800 that could open either a word doc file, or a rtf file even? | 11:40 |
| flip^ | (and edit it) | 11:40 |
| pupnik | abiword | 11:40 |
| flip^ | abiword seems to only care about its own format | 11:40 |
| flip^ | denies me any attempt to open anything else | 11:40 |
| pupnik | hrm duno | 11:41 |
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| lardman | The text section should normally contain assembled code? | 11:45 |
| pupnik | wrong window lardman? :confused: | 11:46 |
| lardman | talking about assembly | 11:47 |
| lardman | Looks like the asm I'm using for CRC is being placed somewhere the dsp_dld linker doesn't know about - the text section | 11:48 |
| lardman | hmm, but .text is there when I disassemble the code | 11:49 |
| lardman | ah, missing a dot | 11:50 |
| lardman | silly me | 11:50 |
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| * flip^ wonders why the app manager is hanging updating its catalogues :/ | 11:55 | |
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| pupnik | flip^: try apt-get update from xterm (with apt manager closed) | 11:59 |
| pupnik | see if that gets you errors | 11:59 |
| pupnik | (as root) | 11:59 |
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| * flip^ watches it hang on abisource :( | 12:02 | |
| flip^ | now its just being odd ... Waiting for headers... | 12:06 |
| flip^ | "GPG error" public key not available on maemo-hackers.org or catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com >.< | 12:07 |
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| lardman | kulve: Have you ever seen the following error?: mbox: ERR from DSP (BADADR): 0x6200 | 12:24 |
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| kulve | hmmm, no, I don't think so.. | 12:26 |
| lardman | the spec pdf reckons this message is unused | 12:26 |
| Hviid | Hi... Does anybody know how I get the /usr/bin/browser to start in fullscren, which parameter? | 12:26 |
| Hviid | Its an N800 standard browser | 12:27 |
| Hviid | opera | 12:27 |
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| latzko | hi | 12:27 |
| _Monkey | niihau, latzko | 12:27 |
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| latzko | I have an applet with CSM activated at tap-and-hold. The request to me is that CSM should only come up in empty areas of the applet (any empty areas btw) and none of the control widgets. Is that possible? | 12:30 |
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| Rebroad | hi. is is possible to video chat on the latest n800 firmware ? | 13:03 |
| flip^ | with skype, apparently. not tried it yet though | 13:05 |
| Rebroad | when i extend the webcam it runs the internet call app, not skype. any idea why? | 13:06 |
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| flip^ | Rebroad: you can just close it and launch skype instead | 13:07 |
| flip^ | there's an option in the internet call app that says "automatically run me when the camera is opened" | 13:07 |
| flip^ | you can just untick the option and then it doesn't automatically run anything when the camera is extended | 13:08 |
| xand | the 800 has a camera? | 13:08 |
| Rebroad | by this option is it safe to assume i can video chat using internet call app? if so, how? | 13:09 |
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| tigert | woot | 13:10 |
| flip^ | Rebroad: you can, with Google Chat / Jabber | 13:12 |
| flip^ | I've no experience at all with that though | 13:13 |
| Rebroad | flip^, i have tried with someone using the latest googletalk client but it says their client doesn't support video | 13:14 |
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| Rebroad | flip^, what experience of video chat do you have? | 13:14 |
| celesteh_rules | i can't get video chat to work either | 13:15 |
| Rebroad | tigert, what other team? | 13:15 |
| flip^ | Rebroad: I've used skype on a PC quite a bit... not got round to trying it on my n800 though (i've only had it a few weeks now) | 13:16 |
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| Rebroad | ok, so it seems that alto | 13:17 |
| Rebroad | although the n800 has a camera, there is ct | 13:17 |
| Rebroad | actually no useful sw for it! | 13:18 |
| flip^ | there's some other photo taking software about, but i could do with a video recording app too tbh | 13:18 |
| tigert | Rebroad: ?? | 13:21 |
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| Feopathy | Hi Room, just trying to recompile a package made for the 800 onto the 770. First time using scratch box and i was wondering if I have to install all the prerequisites by hand (./configure make) or can i use something like apt-get? | 14:02 |
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| sbox_noob | Hi #maemo | 14:20 |
| sbox_noob | apt-get cannot resolve hostnames - wget can - already did edit nsswitch.conf and resolv.conf | 14:21 |
| sbox_noob | currently it is 3.1 - wanted to upgrade to 3.2 but apt-get wont update | 14:22 |
| sbox_noob | [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~] > cat /etc/nsswitch.conf|grep ^hosts && cat /etc/resolv.conf | 14:22 |
| sbox_noob | hosts: dns | 14:22 |
| sbox_noob | nameserver 10.10.10.1 | 14:22 |
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| sbox_noob | anyone an idea? | 14:24 |
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| alump | check /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf | 14:27 |
| sbox_noob | on the host machine? | 14:28 |
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| sbox_noob | says "search datateam.local" and "nameserver 10.10.10.1" each in it's own line | 14:29 |
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| sbox_noob | got to reboot | 14:32 |
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| pupnik | 'CraigX' from Gp2x world appears to be developing a new handheld gaming console. (what? how? with what money? huh?) Apparently based on OMAP 3430, Linux, 800x480 screen, wifi. Quite a strange occurrence. | 14:38 |
| pupnik | if they actually get anywhere it will be interesting to see if they use Maemo/ITOS for it | 14:39 |
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| jani | arent the current gp2x versions allready using linux ? | 14:42 |
| pupnik | yes but the manufacturer went bankrupt, according to forums | 14:43 |
| matmo | want to try fanoush mmc speed up without permanent flashing. On his web page he has a command "flasher-2.0" - is this same as initfs_flash? | 14:44 |
| matmo | and do I need boot menu to do this? | 14:45 |
| matmo | anyone? | 14:48 |
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| jani | pupnik: yes, that happened while ago. point was, atleast some parts of source for gp was released and there's also quite a big dev community so it propably wont make much sense to switch to new software platform.. | 14:49 |
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| pupnik | ah i see | 14:54 |
| jani | dunno thou, just speculating =) | 14:54 |
| Feopathy | Talking of Gp2x, how difficult is it to port programs from that platform to Maemo. They have an SDL based mpd client that looks like it could be rather tasty | 14:54 |
| pupnik | AFAIK no-one has ported a gp2x app to nokia yet | 14:55 |
| pupnik | sorry matmo i don't know | 14:56 |
| matmo | ok np | 14:56 |
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| jani | wonder who n800 fares against gp2x hw specs ? | 14:58 |
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| gla55_ | faster cpu, slower to update screen? | 14:59 |
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| pupnik | gp2x is another good example of how multiple cpus tend to not get used much | 15:01 |
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| xeos | Hi, Anyone knows if is possible to install xfonts on n770? Does Xomap support it? thanks in advance | 15:05 |
| jani | gla55_: which is which? | 15:05 |
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| gla55_ | jani: n800 having faster cpu.. but gp2x has two? and smaller res screen thats faster to update.. | 15:06 |
| gla55_ | thats my understanding anyohw | 15:06 |
| pupnik | correct | 15:06 |
| pupnik | ARM 920 and 940 coprocessor | 15:07 |
| VRe | Hmm.. it would be cool to have motion sensors in the next device.. | 15:07 |
| jani | ack. | 15:07 |
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| Rebroad | how about bluetooth/usb connected motion sensors... | 15:09 |
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| VRe | extra devices.. | 15:10 |
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| Blacksitox | hi | 15:17 |
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| zwnj | hi there | 15:27 |
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| zwnj | the update for openssh-client (maemo6) depends on old version (maemo2) which is already installed, and i get a missing package error | 15:28 |
| zwnj | is it correct to depend on old version? | 15:29 |
| fish_ | is there a cleanly ported version of gpsd? | 15:30 |
| fish_ | looks like the gpsd version from deb http://maemo-hackers.org/apt mistral main is the default debian package | 15:31 |
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| toniz | hello | 15:40 |
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| gla55_ | eyy toniz | 15:42 |
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| onion | fish_: there is osso-gpsd | 15:50 |
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| toniz | I'm trying to develop a new connection manager to telepathy (on nokia n800) but I can't find any information regarding the ConfigurationUI defined in /usr/share/osso-rtcom/ .profile files... | 15:51 |
| alterego | Oh wonderfull .. Seg faults again ^_^ | 15:53 |
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| sbox_boon | apt-get still cannot resolve hostnames - :( | 15:56 |
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| sbox_boon | :( | 15:59 |
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| alterego | sbox_boon, What happens when you ping something? | 16:03 |
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| jani | sbox_boon: maybe you need to add proxy settings for apt-get ? .. but best place to start to debug is to try ping & host if the network works at all inside sbox .. | 16:07 |
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| zwnj | installing osso-rtcom-beta, i get missing evolution-date-server. what repo should i add to get it? | 16:16 |
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| zwnj | i used the .install link, and run Extras/RTCom installer Beta | 16:18 |
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| sbox_boon | jani: there is no ping command in sbox 3.1 - is it? | 16:27 |
| sbox_boon | # gtk-window-decorator | 16:27 |
| alterego | 3.1? | 16:27 |
| _Monkey | i think 3.1 is the latest (known) stable | 16:27 |
| alterego | Ah | 16:27 |
| alterego | No. | 16:27 |
| alterego | 3.2 | 16:28 |
| alterego | Is the latest stable :) | 16:28 |
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| sbox_boon | but i can only upgrade to 3.2 with apt-get | 16:29 |
| sbox_boon | -date-server. what repo should i add to get it? | 16:31 |
| sbox_boon | -date-server. what repo should i add to get it? | 16:31 |
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| AD-N770 | sbox_boon: http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=351 | 16:35 |
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| jani | sbox_boon: true .. but well, not sure if 3.2 was wget but if its there (i have one), you can try to access some host with that.. | 16:36 |
| sbox_boon | i edited nsswitch.conf and resolv.conf | 16:37 |
| sbox_boon | and wget gets google.at | 16:37 |
| sbox_boon | but apt-get update can resolve nothing! | 16:37 |
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| jani | sbox_boon: does your lan have a proxy ? | 16:38 |
| alterego | Does using a proxy whilst have net sex count as contraception? | 16:41 |
| alterego | ~having | 16:41 |
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| jani | depends what you want to prevent ;) | 16:43 |
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| sbox_boon | no proxy in here | 16:43 |
| jani | sbox_boon: anyway, i had similar issue | 16:43 |
| jani | ah ok. | 16:44 |
| jani | - i had similar issue because of all traffic must go thru a proxy .. | 16:44 |
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| sbox_boon | ?? | 16:45 |
| jani | i had the same problem, apt-get wasnt able to upgrade because our lan doesnt allow outside connections, only thru a proxy .. | 16:45 |
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| sbox_boon | our lan does! | 17:02 |
| sbox_boon | i use no proxy on my dev-machine - works! | 17:02 |
| sbox_boon | help - i need the scratchbox!!!!! | 17:05 |
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| sbox_boon | what can i else do than edit that nsswitch and resolv? | 17:07 |
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| gw280 | anyone here familiar with theming in hildon able to explain why gtk_paint_box doesn't seem to paint a pushbutton correctly on my N800 when it's fine on my laptop? | 17:12 |
| gw280 | does Hildon patch GtkButton such that it no longer paints using just a stylised paint box? | 17:12 |
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| Hviid | Hi... Why doesnt a script run, that I have but in all the /etc/rc*.d/ folders? | 17:20 |
| lardman | Hviid: Permissions? | 17:21 |
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| Hviid | And in the rc*.d folders it is symlinks to it | 17:22 |
| lardman | is it executable? | 17:22 |
| Hviid | yes | 17:22 |
| lardman | I don't know then | 17:23 |
| Hviid | ./etc/init.d/ holds the file, in the rc*.d are just symlinks | 17:23 |
| lardman | what happens if you run the file manually? | 17:24 |
| lardman | /etc/init.d/myscriptname.sh | 17:24 |
| Hviid | It works | 17:24 |
| Hviid | but when I reboot the device, nothing has happend | 17:25 |
| lardman | I wonder if the rc.d scripts ever complete, or whether something (like the desktop) is started in one script and never returns | 17:25 |
| lardman | in which case try changing the number | 17:25 |
| Hviid | Which priority are they in, lowest run first? | 17:25 |
| lardman | yes | 17:25 |
| Hviid | but still strange, I have it in ALL my rc*.d's | 17:26 |
| lardman | ah, no I think you misunderstand, the rcX refers to the runlevel | 17:26 |
| Hviid | I know | 17:26 |
| lardman | within the rcX.d directory, the symlinks are named with numbers, these numbers are the order | 17:26 |
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| Hviid | I first put it in rc2.d, that didnt work, fuck it then i tought, and put it in them all :D | 17:27 |
| lardman | in which case, if you use the same number in each case, it may be blocked in each case | 17:27 |
| sbox_boon | help... how to get that crappy apt running? | 17:27 |
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| Hviid | whats the differens between S and K in the rc*.d filenames? | 17:28 |
| mgedmin | the S ones are executed when you enter a run level, while the K ones are executed when you leave a run level | 17:29 |
| mgedmin | start/stop | 17:29 |
| Hviid | ok | 17:29 |
| Hviid | Anybody knows the standard browser on the nokia N800, how I get it fullscreen, via parameter? | 17:29 |
| sbox_boon | gconf setting? | 17:29 |
| sbox_boon | Hviid | 17:30 |
| Hviid | like /usr/bin/browser --fullscreen | 17:30 |
| Hviid | fx. | 17:30 |
| kenne | you are trying to run it from a script? | 17:32 |
| Hviid | jep | 17:32 |
| Hviid | because I need it to start at boot, and go to a specific homepage in fullscreen | 17:33 |
| kenne | did you try to ssh to the n800 and run it from the terminal? :) | 17:33 |
| Hviid | I have Xterm on the N800 | 17:33 |
| Hviid | this works fin /usr/bin/browser | 17:33 |
| Hviid | but I need a parameter, if it exists to get it to start in fullscreen | 17:34 |
| kenne | this browser is probably a script right? | 17:34 |
| Hviid | nope. | 17:34 |
| Hviid | its an binary | 17:34 |
| Hviid | a binary | 17:34 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that a binary is arm compiled, so it shall run without problems | 17:34 |
| Hviid | It also runs | 17:34 |
| Hviid | But i need it to start in fullscrenn | 17:35 |
| Hviid | fullscreen | 17:35 |
| kenne | there is a url at least | 17:35 |
| kenne | --url=www.google.com | 17:35 |
| Hviid | jep, found that one :D | 17:35 |
| kenne | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/docs/eal/index.html | 17:35 |
| kenne | maybe something here, donno | 17:35 |
| kenne | you could write your own eal :) | 17:37 |
| kenne | https://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser/browser-ui/trunk/eal-test/src/main.c | 17:37 |
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| Hviid | :( | 17:38 |
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| kenne | send a mail to the mailing list, there are probably some eal guys there | 17:39 |
| kenne | Hviid, or read the source code :) | 17:39 |
| Hviid | yeah | 17:40 |
| kenne | or see if you can find alp (callabora) probably there is a #telepathy channel and he is there | 17:40 |
| kenne | because he is doing the webkit version | 17:40 |
| kenne | he should know | 17:40 |
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| lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser/browser-ui/trunk/tablet-browser-ui/src/main.c is probably more what you want | 17:41 |
| lardman | the other code looks to be for a test harness | 17:42 |
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| kenne | there is no fullscreen option | 17:43 |
| lardman | though I can't see where in this code the command line is parsed, if it is indeed | 17:43 |
| lardman | does the --url parameter work? | 17:43 |
| Hviid | jep | 17:44 |
| kenne | Mail this guy Leonid Zolotarev <leonid.zolotarev@nokia.com> | 17:44 |
| lardman | ok, wrong bit of code again then | 17:44 |
| Hviid | looks like there is something called --view | 17:44 |
| kenne | Set view type win/tab/box | 17:44 |
| kenne | i guess the option doesnt exist | 17:45 |
| kenne | but could be added easily | 17:45 |
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| lardman | kulve: Looks like I somehow overwrote the area used to store the task information | 17:52 |
| Hviid | kenne, wrote the guy a mail now :D | 17:52 |
| kenne | Hviid, nice! | 17:52 |
| lardman | kulve: my error was caused by the memory not being initialised to 0xDEAD | 17:52 |
| kenne | Hviid, is this for a private project or ? | 17:52 |
| lardman | kulve: will have to try moving some of my large shared memory regions | 17:53 |
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| Hviid | kenne, actually its for a minor company | 17:53 |
| kenne | ah I see | 17:53 |
| Hviid | We are developing a tool, for workout trainers | 17:53 |
| kenne | ah webbased? | 17:53 |
| Hviid | yes webbased | 17:54 |
| kenne | reminds me that I should start doing some sport | 17:54 |
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| Hviid | gg, check out www.bodyplanning.dk | 17:54 |
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| kenne | ok | 17:54 |
| Hviid | kenne har priv msg dig | 17:55 |
| kenne | Hviid, virkede ikke, du er nok ikke registeret paa serveren | 17:56 |
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| Hviid | kenne, nej nok ikke, bruger noget ircatwork.com | 17:57 |
| kenne | det er maaske det | 17:57 |
| kenne | Hviid, join #nykanal :) | 17:58 |
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| e-squizo | are there any scratchbox2 users in the room? | 18:11 |
| kulve | lardman|gone: ok | 18:12 |
| e-squizo | scratchbox2 is what I get in debian sid, and although I can get the cross-compilation to work, I haven't figured out how to make the emulator work, to test the software before I upload it to the N800 | 18:13 |
| xeos | Have do anyone installed Xfce on the tablet? | 18:14 |
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| alterego | Crap. | 18:35 |
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| matmo | i am following the wiki instructions to boot from mmc. At "now it's time to clone..." it says to skip the step if using a 770 but not to if on an 800 with OS2007. What if you have 2007HE on the 770? | 19:13 |
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| alterego | What is the step? | 19:26 |
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| matmo | alterego: sry for delay, past that step now anyway :-) | 19:50 |
| alterego | Okay :) | 19:51 |
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| _Shurik_ | hola | 20:03 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, im guessing that java based apps are not even worth considering for the 770 | 21:53 |
| _Shurik_ | nope | 21:56 |
| _Shurik_ | what's wrong with C? :) | 21:56 |
| t_s_o | imo, nothing. but i see a java on n800 thread over on itt | 21:57 |
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| matmo | second attempt trying to set up booting from mmc. When I get to the step to download "tar" apt-get reports it is about to remove a *lot* of packages and download 58meg (yes "meg"). I know the wiki says to expect warnings but is this right? I'm sure 58meg is not going to fit into the remianing 11meg :-) | 22:09 |
| matmo | (no, I didn't download tar the first time, just used existing busybox, maybe this is why it failed) | 22:10 |
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| matmo | or put another way (that may get an answer ;-) ) does the "-d" option *only* download the *one* package and *not* remove anything despite the warnings? | 22:23 |
| X-Fade | yep. Make sure you use download only and you should be safe.. | 22:24 |
| matmo | X-Fade: thanks | 22:24 |
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| matmo | hmm, seems to have hung transferring ./var/log/wtmp | 22:41 |
| matmo | cpu at 100 (or near) so I have to assume it is still doing something but been a few mins now on the one file. Still responsive but slow | 22:42 |
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| georg | hi there. could anyone pass me his values from /etc/pointercal? my n770s screen calibration is screwed and doesn't take taps in the middle of circle 1 & 4. reflashing didn't help :( | 23:10 |
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| solmumaha | -15279 105 56148848 51 -9551 34549448 65536 | 23:13 |
| georg | thanks, will try :) | 23:13 |
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| Celesteh | Hi | 23:20 |
| _Monkey | hello, Celesteh | 23:20 |
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| georg | solmumaha: didn't work, the point i touch and the point recognized are still half a cm away, at lest on the left side... thank you anyways | 23:24 |
| solmumaha | k, sry to hear that | 23:25 |
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