IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2007-09-28

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timelessanyone here know srilatha.sunkanapally@gmail.com00:11
timelessor happen to be familiar with ITOS2007HE-garage00:11
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cwong1anyone out there knows about how "panning" is implemented?02:30
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pupnik posting unobfusticated email addresses here may increase spam to them.  probably not a nice thing to do...03:36
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pupnikthe #maemo log has scary-high rankings in google searches.  When i look for answers to questions I have, i keep finding my posts here that ask the question.03:39
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zerojaysolmumaha: Where's this beta transcoder that you mentioned on ITT?04:23
pupniki think he sleepies04:23
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zerojayAnyone else got it then?04:24
zerojayHaving 3TB of video I can suddenly play on my N800 would be great.04:24
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pupnikyou'll need a non-crippled version of ffmpeg to do the transcoding04:25
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pupnikuse 'ffmpeg -formats' and look for the "E" in the codecs section to see what codecs it supports04:26
pupniki had to use wmv2 for the video and mp2 for the audio04:27
pupniki absolutely love it.  Been spending a lot of time on the couch with the n770 watching vids i'd forgotten I had04:28
zerojaywtf.. why does vlc depend on firefox?04:29
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pupniki think because of the browser plugin04:29
zerojayYeah, you're right.04:30
zerojayViva la Gentoo.04:30
pupnikGentoo?  haha seeya tomorrow04:30
zerojayvlc take a long time to compile?04:31
pupnikyes, but i tried on a p3 950mhz so ymmv04:31
zerojayWhat's your idea of "long time" though? Might be different than mine... compiling all of KDE. ;P04:31
pupniki don't know - a few hours, times 504:32
pupniksince things broke for me04:32
pupnikwho knows though - maybe your gentoo sources won't compile-in so much cruft04:33
pupnikbut 0.9.0 is required04:33
zerojayWell, I don't compile what I don't need or want.04:34
pupnikyou'll probably be done in twenty minutes and make me feel stupid :)04:34
zerojayPortage only has 0.8.6c.04:35
zerojayOh well.04:35
zerojayI'm not quite *that* interested.04:35
pupnikhere's the latest afaict
zerojayYeah, I'm just not too interested in installing something I won't have an easy time removing later.04:36
zerojayWhich is why this install of Gentoo's almost four years old now.04:37
zerojayWorked well enough for you?04:38
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pupniki used 0.9.0 deb packages04:41
pupnikran into a bunch of strange problems too, but solmumaha was right there to fix-up his client/server.04:42
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bjvhow do you make a new file/new canvas in Horizon?04:43
bjvdamn, battery just died :|04:43
zerojayScrew it, I'll try the nightly tarball.04:43
zerojaypupnik: I was going to ask what version of ffmpeg you've got when I checked mine.04:45
zerojayFFmpeg version SVN-rUNKNOWN04:45
zerojayGreat help. ;)04:46
zerojaysolmumaha: Your ruby-maemo link 404's.04:49
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sbzhi, there is a flasher utiliy for freebsd os ?05:44
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pupniksbz - dunno but i think you can now flash from mmc05:46
pupnikcheck fanoush's post on ITT05:46
unique311check this out..05:46
pupnikmaybe i am halluciremembering this05:46
sbzokay, thanks pupnik05:46
unique311the year 2007 and people don't know that the moon rotates around the earth05:47
pupnikeyah i saw that one unique311  :)05:47
unique311the audience said the sun05:47
unique311well the majority of the audience05:48
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pupnikyeah assuming there wasn't a screwup in the controllers/software, or the whole vid isn't a prank05:49
pupnikhe's got a cute wife05:50
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pupnik'Sofie doesn't look happy'05:51
unique311but come on, i think everyone learns this in elemetary if not pre-school05:52
unique311elementary is pre school....shit05:52
unique311not sure how your school system is pupnik?05:52
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unique311kindergarten, elementary, junior high school, high school, college05:53
unique311I really think i can ask my nephew who is in the 2nd grade that question, and he would answer it correctly.05:54
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pupniki remember seeing it in a picture book about the planets05:59
pupnikthat i used to have my mom read me05:59
pupnikIt had this really trippy colorful path leading from the sun out to each of the planets, with a few words describing them06:00
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pupnikwow i haven't thought about that book in decades06:00
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|Rdoes anyone know if a bluetooth headset will be supported with the newly announced pure SIP client? :)06:29
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bjvim looking in the gconf editor for something to configure the file select dialog06:33
bjvgetting warmer?06:34
bjvi would prefer for it to start in detail list mode, rather then thumbnail mode06:35
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rene4jazzhi all06:38
rene4jazzI' am having the following error: Note: For remote X connections DISPLAY should contain hostname!06:39
rene4jazzwhen I execute af-sb-init.sh06:40
rene4jazzany clue?06:41
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bjv"HildonFileSelection uses HildonFileSystemModel as its data store. Multiple file selections can share a common data model. This reduces memory consumption and loading times. This approach is used in HildonFileChooserDialog."06:50
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bjv" Swithces file selection between list and thumbnail modes.   Note that this function works only after widget is shown because of Gtk::Notebook implementation. "06:54
bjvso the particular way HildonFileChooserDialog starts up is handled by the individual app that makes the call?06:55
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rene4jazzdo I have to install Xephyr inside the scratchbox target to be able to start the maemo graphical environment?07:38
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eichiwith net gconf editor i chan change some osso what to start, if camera is out...called on-camera-out. Someone knows what to type to get the app "camera" start then?10:11
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mbufchinook SDK can be used to test code on N800?10:22
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Robot101mbuf: I thnk the 3.0 sdk is matched to the latest flash images on the N80010:24
mbufRobot101, i see10:25
mbufRobot101, just checked the release notes,
mbufRobot101, software built with this, will not work with ITOS on N800 or earleir10:28
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eichino one can help me?10:33
mbufeichi, what is your question?10:34
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eichiwith net gconf editor i chan change some osso what to start, if camera is out...called on-camera-out. Someone knows what to type to get the app "camera" start then?10:35
mbufeichi, sorry, i can't help you on that; not worked with it, yet10:36
eichidamn ^^ :)10:37
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JaffaMorning, all10:46
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dolskeI'm going to go out on a limb, and say drawing attention to the N800's miserable camera maybe isn't the best idea... :-)11:06
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AD-N770good morning11:08
janikinda crappy picture yes =)11:08
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* Jaffa is in a quandry - most useless feature of a Maemo device: the N800's camera or osso-email... decisions, decisions.11:18
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eichiyeah, the n800 cam is a mess11:26
Jaffasolmumaha: ping (comment on ITT about a transcoding solution)11:29
pupnikmaybe i know the answer Jaffa11:30
* Jaffa wants more info, since he'd not heard of it and was about to start writing his own sync/transcoding management thingy11:31
pupnikif my camera could focus on the 770 in movie mode, i'd upload a demo11:31
pupnikyou start the app, it connects to the ruby server on pc11:32
pupnikclient gets a list of video categories, you click on a category, client gets list of videos in the included dir (very fast* - i've had 600 videos update in 3 seconds or so)11:32
pupnikscroll down to your video.  client starts mplayer, server starts vlc transcoding (via ffmpeg)11:33
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JaffaOh, so it's an online streaming thing. Cool, but not quite what I want.11:35
JaffaI want a set of videos (either explicitly managed or put in a particular directory by PVR) to be automatically transcoded and the N800 to automatically connect each night and sync.11:35
JaffaStill, your vlc/mplayer streaming solution will be cool in the house11:36
pupniksolmumaha made it.  i just helped test11:36
pupnikdoes your PVR run mythtv?11:37
pupniki play with mythtv setup every few months but never got it running11:38
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JaffaIt did, but I switched back to Freevo as I found the quality of the UI and audio output of MythMusic too poor11:41
JaffaFreevo's much more hackable, since it's written in Python11:42
pupnikIs freevo something that would lend itself to control through the tv, via IR?11:44
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janicontrol thru tv ?11:45
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janiyou can control free with remote if your linuxbox has ir capability =)11:46
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JaffaThere's also a remote control interface so, for example, the Freevo web server can control the UI on the TV11:48
JaffaSo an N800 interface would be perfectly doable to make an IP-based remote control11:49
pupnikyeah.  i need to do IR tho11:50
pupnikthe only device my users can operate is a TV remote11:50
pupniki've run cat5 through the walls, 4 wires hold the svhs signal, two wires the audio and two wires for the IR signal11:51
JaffaSo, yeah, I control Freevo via a Streamzap USB IR receiver. Works wery well11:51
pupnikok ty11:51
JaffaAnything lirc supports, basically (including homebrew)11:51
pupnikI tried a 2.4ghz video sender/receiver station but the picture quality stank11:52
pupniksvhs over 5 meters of cat5 worked surprisingly well11:53
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pupnikDar Jamaihl?11:55
pupnikoh wrong channel11:55
railkanyone know where i can get libgcrypt11 and libgnutls11? (needed by pidgin)11:55
Darpupnik: np ;)11:55
_Monkeyi guess repositories is  and a searchable index at
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railk_Monkey, thanks, didn't notice you could search on that repo list page :P11:58
_Monkeypas de quoi railk11:58
Big_Bgood morning (~ugt)11:58
railkeh, bot?11:58
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sarowerhi all12:09
sarowerI have a nokia N800 device..12:09
sarowerI want to build an application developed by us...12:10
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sarowerin in gtkmm12:10
sarowerbut can not installl......12:10
sarowerit needs the packages,......12:10
solmumahaJaffa: what do you need to know?12:11
sarowerhildonlibs-fmmm, etc12:11
sarowerI have downloaded it12:11
sarowerbut when i want to install by the application manager12:11
sarowerit shows that uncompaitable version12:11
sarowerwhat could be done now?12:11
sarowersolmumaha.. Can u please explain?12:12
pupnikinstall the compatible version :)12:13
solmumahasarower: no12:13
solmumaha:) comment was made to Jaffa12:13
sarowerbut which is the compaitable version]12:13
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pupniksarower: search repositories for 'bora' package12:13
_Monkeyrepositories is  and a searchable index at
* pupnik is a meta-bot12:14
sarowerpupnik: I have alreadu downloaded the latest one!12:14
pupniksarower: one minute12:14
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pupniksarower run dpkg -I <package name> to see if it is compatible12:16
Big_Bhi pupnik !!!12:16
sarowerpupnik: How i can run in the device?12:16
pupnikgreets Big_B12:16
saroweris there any comand prompt?12:16
pupnikyes, you can install xterm terminal and/or ssh (openssh or dropbear) to get this12:17
pupnikalso for administration you should read up on12:18
_Monkeywell, becomeroot is a quick howto to become root here  and more information is here
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* flip^ wonders what metalayer-crawler is12:32
sarowerpupnik: I dont have the internet connection!12:32
sarowerif me again if try to install openssh or dropbear then will not it show again the problem?12:33
saroweris there any garantee?12:33
sarowerthen what could be done?12:33
solmumahaflip^: something you should disable12:34
flip^looks like it drained my battery in the night and likes eating cpu again this morning12:34
flip^solmumaha: can i just mv/rm the binary, or is there a 'safe' way to disable it? ;)12:34
solmumaharm symlinks from /etc/rc?.d12:35
flip^do you know what it actually does (i've no issue stopping it, but i'm curious if it's going to affect some function of the device unexpectedly)12:36
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solmumahathink it searches for media files from your device12:36
solmumahahave you added a symlink to / under MyDocs perhaps?12:36
flip^nah, not got anything cyclic like that...12:37
solmumahak, that causes it to go in a loop12:37
solmumahabut it does that on it's own too, had to disable it few minutes back.. think it comes back to haunt you no matter what you do12:38
flip^yeah, i might have a hunt around in case something odd is going on somewhere else... but i'm seeing lots of reports of it being a problem on forums12:38
flip^of course, if xterm won't even load...12:39
flip^excellent... 'switch off' fails too12:40
flip^there we go12:40
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flip^what i do have (when at home) is a dir that has a Tb of media mounted on it from another server (though i'm not at home atm)... i guess that could have upset it12:42
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Big_Bhi lardman!!!12:54
_Monkeyhi lardman are you here!!12:54
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lardmanHi Big_B13:00
* lardman is vaguely happy as his vorbis dsptask is only segfaulting now13:00
Big_BLardman : I want to install hildon-fmmm 0.1.2-1 but i got "unable to install , Incompatible application package " I m using N800 . What should i do now .13:04
lardmanit may be a .deb for the 770, I imagine there's an n800 version floating around somewhere13:04
lardmankulve: Where do the dbg() statements come out?13:05
_Monkeysyslog is apt-get install sysklogd (or use like everyone else)13:06
kulvelardman: if you have the mbox debug enabled in kernel13:06
lardmankulve: I'm using your kernel, so yes13:06
lardmanbut I don't see my message13:07
kulveyou have the syslog package installed? (and the syslogd running?)13:07
lardmanI do see an empty line in the syslog output though13:07
lardmanit's the same as printf(), but with task as the first param?13:08
lardmanhere's my output:
Big_BLardman : is it sure that N770 and  N800 uses different .deb . Can't i use it for N800?13:10
lardmanBig_B: the 770 and n800 use a different binary format for calling libraries, so you need an n800 version13:10
Big_BWhere can i get it ?13:11
lardmanno idea13:12
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lardmankulve: I see in syslog that there's a DBG message received: mbox: receiving seq=0, cmd=79:05(DBG), data=001113:12
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Big_BOk . I will try by myself . Thanks Lardman.13:13
kulvelardman: this is how I see them:13:13
kulve[105866.529815] mbox: receiving seq=0, cmd=79:05(DBG), data=003d13:13
kulve[105866.529876] rcv_bksnd: got 160 bytes of data: 0xe5fb 0xdf3413:13
kulveactually I think I used DBG(), not dbg()..13:13
lardmanok, I'll give it a go13:13
kulvebut it's odd that you did receive the DBG mbox message ok..13:15
kulvelardman: I remembered it wrong, I used the dbg()13:15
kulve+    dbg(task, "initializing");13:15
kulvelike that13:15
lardmanah, no \n on the end?13:16
lardmanI was wondering about that13:17
lardmanhmm, seems I get ABORTADR messages unless I restart the DSP13:19
mbufdoing Bora 3.1 installation on Debian Etch, doing 'apt-get update' in scratchbox gives 'error cannot resolve '', why?13:19
lardmanyou've not setup a nameserver?13:20
mbuflardman, in scratchbox resolv.conf or in host resolv.conf?13:22
kulvelardman: I got abortadr if I had something wrong in the INIT ctl comand13:22
mbuflardman, Internet works on host13:22
lardmanmbuf: in scratchbox13:23
kulvembuf: try "scratchbox maemo nsswitch.conf" in google13:23
lardmankulve: okay, I'll take a look. It's just strange because I don't think I've changed anything and it went from abortadr to working and now back to abortadr13:23
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lardmanno, nothing in my case MBCMD_TCTL_TINIT:13:26
lardmanexcept for return 013:26
kulvedoesn't the return value tell the success..13:27
lardmanI thought you have to return a value if it fails13:28
* lardman looks at the spec13:28
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kulvelardman: yeah, 0 for OK and .. I don't know what in error..13:31
kulveMBCMD_EID_* in error13:31
lardmanMBCMD_EID_BADTCTL is the default return value if you don;'t recognise it13:31
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lardmanThe only way I can see to get ABORTADR is for something to have written to the memory used to store the task information13:36
lardmanhere's my logic for that conclusion
lardmanall the source files are in the DSP-side dspgateway code13:39
lardmanwhen a task is removed, its TID is first set back to 0xDEAD13:40
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lardmanBut I still can't work out what I've done to get this error, I'm placing my shared memory in EXTMEM2 and EXTMEM313:41
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kulveI don't touch that TID..13:45
kulve+       TID_MAGIC,      /* tid */13:45
kulveI think that is some macro giving out proper TID?13:45
lardmanNor do I, but I tracked back to find out where the error came from13:45
lardmanit's set to magic when the task is loaded, then given a numeric ID once it's loaded13:46
kulveah, sry, I read too qcuikly..13:46
lardmanI've another question - if you look in any of the .cmd files, you'll see something like g711_dec_mmap_buffer: align=0x10000 {}    > EXTMEM2 /*must start at beginning of page */13:46
lardmanany idea why it's aligned to 0x10000? Is that actually a page size?13:47
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lardmanI suppose that's 2^16 so it makes some sense13:48
kulveI don't know anything about those..13:48
lardmanin the spec it says the mmap buffer needs to be aligned to 2k words, perhaps page boundaries are faster then13:48
Big_BLardmand I need these .deb 1. hildon-fmmm 2. hildon-libsmm 3. libglibmm -2.4-1 c2a   3.glibgtkmm -2.4-1 c2a  4.libsigc++-2.0-0c2a(>=2.02)  5.libsqlite3-0(>=3.3.5)  for N800. Would you like to tell me where can i get it ??13:56
Big_Bor anybody who knows ??13:57
kozuchHi, can Maemo run on some other hardware that Nokias N770 and N800???13:57
cosmox86 pc13:58
lardmanBig_B: sqlite and the other standard ones will probably be in the maemo repo13:58
lardmancosmo: I thought one of those ultra portable pcs was running maemo?13:58
lardmanah, x86 of course :)13:58
Big_BYa . Lard man i got it here ""13:59
lardmanBig_B: Just install it via Application Manager14:00
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Big_Bok . Thank you Lardman14:01
mbuf/etc/nsswitch.conf in scratchbox (bora 3.1) has "hosts: dns" ; on host debian etch, /etc/nsswitch.conf has "hosts: files mdsn4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4"14:02
mbufapt-get update gives 'cannot resolve' ; google links said only dns should be in hosts file, and it is present in scratchbox, what am i missing?14:03
janicheck the dns configfiles in /scratchbox folder outside the scratchbox environment ..14:05
lardmantry editing /etc/resolv.conf14:05
mbuflardman, i have set /etc/resolv.conf to use opendns inside scratchbox;14:07
janican you access if you use wget ?14:08
mbufjani, yes14:09
lardmanmbuf: No idea then, I just set resolv.conf inside to the same as outside and hey presto14:10
mbuflardman, maemo 3.1 or 3.2 ?14:10
lardmancan't remember to tell the truth, I think 3.2 just worked14:12
mbuflardman, i will update to 3.2 then; thanks14:13
lardmanhmm, hope I remembered correctly ;)14:14
jjo_network should work even if resolv.conf inside sb points to
jjo_the problen is usually in  /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf14:14
mbufjjo_, yes by default resolv.conf was set to
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lardmankulve: I've got a new error now: ABORTADR, time to track that one down14:17
jjo_mbuf: so, is the /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf ok14:18
mbufjjo_, how can i tell?14:18
jjo_what do you have on the 'hosts: ' line14:18
mbufjjo_, "hosts: dns"14:18
jjo_then it should be ok14:19
jjo_but are you sure you checked /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf? earlier you talked about /etc/nsswitch.conf inside scratchbox14:20
jjo_and I understood that you ment the one inside the scratchbox environment14:20
jjo_those files are not the same...14:20
Jaffasolmumaha: pupnik answered it. Need any help/testing for your mplayer/vlc streaming doohicky?14:22
solmumahayou have a dvb card?14:23
mbufjjo_, yes by /etc/nsswitch.conf inside scratchbox i meant /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf14:27
mbufjjo_, wait, it is not;  /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf has "hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4"14:30
mbufjjo_, i think it was simply copied from /etc/nsswitch.conf14:31
jjo_yes, during installation14:31
mbufjjo_, lardman ok works now, i have only "hosts: files dns" in /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf , and apt-get update works! thanks14:32
lardmangood good14:35
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lardmanhmm, syslogd seems to have stopped producing information since I rebooted14:47
lardmancertainly nothing related to dsp_dld anymore14:48
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Jaffasolmumaha: yep14:56
kulvelardman: I don't keep syslogd running because it floods a lot. I just start it when I want to debug something with it14:57
kulveespecially the dsp audio codecs floods *alot* with the mbox debug..14:57
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lardmankulve: I was doing that too, but then I crashed the DSP & it rebooted the N80015:04
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lardmanwhen I installed syslogd it must have added entries to /etc/init.d15:05
lardmanhmm, I think it needs to be dbg() not DBG()15:07
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lardmanright, the code is now causing a dsp reset which is making the n800 reboot15:14
lardmantime to disable dsme or whatever it's called15:14
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lardmankulve: Removing the \n from the dbg() commands has produced output for me15:21
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kulvenice :)15:31
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lardmanRight, I'm making some progress now, the code runs then segfaults, I just need to dbg() through the code and sort out the errors15:37
lardmanncie to get something running after all this effort :)15:37
lardmanlooks like my current problem is with trying to copy the ogg_buffer structure over to the DSP-side and reassemble it15:38
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lardmanI am doing memcpy (doing endianness conversion on the ARM) on ogg_page, ogg_reference and ogg_buffer structs, then updating their pointers to the on the DSPside15:39
lardmanthis seems to fail for my ogg_buffer15:39
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lardmanright, other things to do, back later15:40
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* pupnik_ dcc's lardman $1000 in monopoly money15:41
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rene4jazzhi all16:28
rene4jazzld show the following message when I try to compile de maemo_hello.c example code: ld: skipping incompatible //usr/lib/ when searching for -lhildonwidgets16:29
rene4jazzwhat can I do?16:29
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pupnik_hi rene4jazz16:31
pupnik_did you get error messages when logging-in to scratchbox?16:32
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rene4jazzpupnik, no I don't16:38
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rene4jazzI installed the scratchbox apophis from the debian repository, and installed the Maemo 2.2 dev rootstrap from maemo.org16:40
rene4jazzconfigured the target with sb-menu selecting debian devkit16:40
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lardmanare you compiling for arm or x86?16:41
lardmaneither way, see what "file //usr/lib/" tells you the format of that file is16:42
rene4jazzI have selected the scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc-i386 package on the target configuration16:42
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rene4jazzI did it: //usr/lib/ symbolic link to `'16:44
pupnikfile /usr/lib/
lardmantry "file /usr/lib/" then16:44
lardmanbeat me!16:44
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rene4jazz//usr/lib/ ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), stripped16:45
pupnikaha nice catch lardman16:45
lardmanno idea why you've got the libs mixed up, perhaps you extracted the wrong rootstrap?16:45
mbufwhat should i do if it says, "you should close other scratchbox versions" ? using bora 3.2 on debian etch16:46
lardmanmbuf: I assume you logged out of the old version before installing the new one? Did you remember to rmmod the kernel modules?16:46
mbuflardman, just exiting the terminal is ok?16:47
rene4jazzpupnik: do I have to reinstall?16:48
rene4jazzpupnik: where do I get the i386 version of the development rootstrap16:48
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rene4jazzthis is the url of the rootstrap I downloaded:
pupnikyes that *armel* means it runs on the ARM cpu, or on the QEMU arm emulator16:50
pupnikif you are in the i386 scratchbox environment, you need to install the i386 rootstrap16:50
pupnikin scratchbox you can set up two basic types of 'targets'16:51
pupnikone contains a build environment (the rootstrap) compiled for i386 cpu16:51
pupnikanother contains the same, only compiled for ARM (armel)16:51
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Thanatermesisis possible to run the system of n800 in a 770, correct ?16:51
Thanatermesiswhat is the max. size permitted for the MMC card on 770 ?16:52
pupnikwhen you set up a Scratchbox target, you choose either an i386 or an ARM target, and into this target you must install an i386 or arm rootstrap, respectively16:52
alterego2GB I think16:52
rene4jazzok, roger16:52
pupnikThanatermesis: sort of yes, it is called it2007he, and will run most 'bora' binaries.  2GB yes16:53
lardmanmbuf: yes, you probably also need to remove the kernel modules16:53
mbuflardman, no i am ok with x86 now; just wanted to see how to do it16:54
pupnikrene4jazz: one more note - i never use the i386 target.  I think the only real use is for convenient profiling.16:55
lardmanmbuf: yeah, exit the terminal and then run "/scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl stop" as root16:55
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lardmanpupnik: But profiling on a different arch is somewhat dangerous16:56
Thanatermesisonly 2 gb ? uh.. :/16:56
rene4jazzpupnik: so I have to use the qemu way?16:57
mbuflardman, ohh ok, i remember doing start earlier; but, it says '/scratchbox/users/foo/dev: device is busy', but echo $? exit status is 016:57
rene4jazzI can't find a suitable i386 for maemo gregale 2.2 ( I'm preparing a develpment environment for n770)16:58
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pupnikrene4jazz: it is the only way i know to compile binaries for the tablet.    I suggest you set-up a new ARMEL target, use qemu-arm-0.8.1-sb2, install debian and cputransp devkits (both!) and install Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_armel-rootstrap.tgz as your rootstrap17:00
lardmanmbuf: If it said it was busy you probably already had the modules loaded17:00
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rene4jazzpupnik: I'll try, thank's very much17:04
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roueI'm thinking about buying an N800 but have been reading the rumors about the upcoming Nxxx.  If the new tablet is going to be 5-600$ then there's no way I'd buy it anyway. Does anyone recall what the N800 cost when it was first released?17:13
lardman~£250 perhaps17:14
lardmanor was it more17:14
lardmanI can't see the new one being so much more expensive to tell the truth17:14
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roueI'm not really interested in gps or wimax -- but if it's got more ram and a faster cpu I'd probably wait.17:16
roueI'm a bit torn.17:16
lardmanno-one knows, wait ~43 days and then you might find out something more17:16
rouehow long of a wait was there between the 770 and the 800 releases?17:17
|R1.5 year ?17:17
lardmanbut more importantly how much of a wait was there between the FCC filing and the release17:17
|Rprobably 2... just guessing from arcticle's date i've read17:17
* mgedmin is probably doomed to buy every new nokia internet tablet that ever comes out...17:18
roueso it probably makes sense to hold off for a month or two.17:18
|RI just ordered an N800 but i'm really hoping to pair it with an OpenMoko in the end ;)17:18
lardmanI would, in ~43 days there should be some more info about the new one, at least some pictures, etc.17:18
roueif it has an actually keyboard that would cinch it for me.17:18
|Rwhat' up in 43 days? :)17:18
lardman|R: I was looking at the openmoko, still too dear though17:19
rouethat's when the fcc info embargo lifts.17:19
|Rlardman : yeah i'm waiting for the GTA02 release to be a bit less rough around the edges..17:19
lardman|R: I think it would be fun to hack on, but not sure I can justify so much money for the current one, and the next one looks even more expensive17:19
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lardmanat least the next one will have a faster processor and video/imaging acceleration17:20
|Rlardman : yep, the GTA02 is the next one, wifi, more ram, more mhz, more everything eheh :D17:20
lardmanoh, and wifi17:20
pupnikI will probably never sell my 77017:20
|Rthat's the main feature for me17:21
lardmanI don;t think I can, my gf uses is and my Dad's after something too17:21
|Ri really want to ditch the telcos and go 100% VoIP17:21
|Ralready switched my landline to unlimitel (2.50$/mth + time) which is way  better than Bell's offering at 30+$ / month17:21
roueI played around with one of my coworker's N800s for a bit. the speed seemed pretty good. he said he never ran into memory problems even with several apps running at once.  anyone here bumping into the speed/memory limits of their N800?17:22
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lardmanroue: It's much better than the 770 in that regard, the only issue you may have is with lots of web pages open at the same time17:22
lardmanwhere lots>817:22
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lardmanor if you want to play games, hey pupnik17:23
roueokay, thanks.17:23
pupnikdamn nfs keeps spinning up my drives.17:23
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pupnikevil websites can thrash the n800 - but that's because they're evil, shitty websites.17:25
* alterego agrees17:25
alteregoevil and shitty17:25
pupnikecho "" >> /etc/hosts17:26
roueis it possible to disable javascript in opera?17:27
|Ris mozilla 0.1 fairing any better? ;)17:27
sp3000tick a box, iirc17:27
sp3000or untick, rather17:28
* |R is probably going to get his on monday...17:28
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rene4jazzpupnik: I have compiled well the maemo_hello.c with cputransp enabled and arm toolchain selected, I'am trying now to start the but it's displays: matchbox-wm: can't open display! check your DISPLAY variable.18:07
pupnikin your host you must first run to start the X server18:07
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pupnikthen in scratchbox export display=:218:07
rene4jazzI did18:07
rene4jazzbut the documented script returns this: ./ line 4: /scratchbox/users/rene/targets/nokia/usr/bin/Xephyr: No such file or director18:08
rene4jazzdo I have to make a symlink?18:09
pupniklook in your /scratchbox/users/rene/targets directory18:09
pupnikthere should be a directory with the same name as you seen in your scratchbox target command-line prompt18:09
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pupnikfor e.g. here i have targets/SB_Arm/18:10
lardmancan you use xephyr when you're targeting arm?18:10
rene4jazzmy target's name is nokia18:10
rene4jazz/scratchbox/users/rene/targets/nokia/usr/bin/Xephyr: No such file or director18:10
pupnikthat's strange i don't have Xephyr there either18:11
pupniki think you're trying to run the xephyr script from within scratchbox18:11
pupnikdo not do that18:11
rene4jazzno I'am not, I have the start-xephyr script in my home dir18:12
pupnikhrm ok18:13
rene4jazzthis is the content of the script: #!/bin/sh -e18:13
pupnikthis is interesting...18:13
rene4jazzexport LD_LIBRARY_PATH=${prefix}/lib; export LD_LIBRARY_PATH18:13
rene4jazzexec ${prefix}/bin/Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -18:13
pupnikmine points to the SDK_PC target18:14
pupnikcool.  learned something today18:14
rene4jazzwhat's that?18:15
pupnikls /scratchbox/users/minra/targets/SDK_PC/usr/bin/X*18:17
pupnikminra@scuttle:~$ ls /scratchbox/users/minra/targets/SB_Arm2/usr/bin/X*18:18
rene4jazzI do have the same "Xomap" file18:18
pupniklooks to me as if you have to also have an i386 target set-up18:19
rene4jazzso, Xephyr comes with x86 booststrap only?18:19
pupnikor maybe get the Xephyr server from somewhere else18:19
pupniki don't know but it looks like it18:19
rene4jazzI found the gregale x86 rootstrap in maemo.org18:20
rene4jazzafter finishing the download I'll install a x86 target18:21
pupniki don't know what i'm talking about but maybe Xnest would also work as a local x server18:21
pupnikbut yeah ... you know... follow directions :)18:21
rene4jazzdo you use Xephyr with the arm target?18:22
rene4jazzwhat script do you execute?18:23
pupnikthe script, on the host18:23
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pupnikand that poitns to the xephyr bin in SBOX_PC target18:24
pupnikX is a client/server networked architecture, so the X server runs on the i386 while the arm application runs via qemu18:25
pupnikthe X server could run on another PC for that matter18:25
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pupnikso it's strange that your script was set to point to your armel target18:26
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lardmanbye chaps18:27
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rene4jazzif I execute Xephyr on the host it throws a segment fault after starting script18:27
kulverene4jazz: try starting xterm on that xephyr before the af-sb-init.sh18:33
kulveat some point xephyr segfaulted when the last client exited..18:34
kulvebut, afaik, it should be already fixed long time ago18:34
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_Monkeyhi, r-18:34
r-hy _Monkey18:34
r-so there's someone alive? this is nice18:35
kulveyeah, a bot18:35
r-just got my n800 yesterday.18:35
r-and now i want to throw my blackberry 8830 at a wall.18:35
r-g'damn bluetooth DUN profiles. anyone gotten around this?18:35
flip^every experience with a blackberry has made me want to throw it at a wall18:35
r-i've loved the 8830 until i got the n800.18:36
r-oh well, one of these days.18:37
flip^i've never tried to make one talk to a n800 tho, so can't help there i'm afraid18:37
r-what's the best youtube viewer/downloader/converter that actually works for people?18:42
r-videocenter, uktube, etc.. all simply "crash"18:42
flip^UKTube is apparently very good18:42
flip^I tend to just use the build in browser mind... does the job ok18:42
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flip^there's nothing for the n800 that can effectively work with (very basic) word documents, aside from Google Documents, is there?18:47
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FireSt0rMHey guys. I was wondering if it's possible to run apps like Gizmo and Skype on the Hackers version of the  OS-2007 software?18:53
pupniktry it18:55
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FireSt0rMpupnik: I've tried it ;) It doesn't work. I'm wondering if it's my setup, or the hacked OS2007 on Nokia 770 image doesn't support it19:23
xeosHi everyone19:24
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pupnikFireSt0rM: forums might have some information.  Also setting up multiboot for your mmc pays rich dividends in backup/restore and being able to use both 2006 and 2007he19:42
_Monkeywell, multiboot is "LILO supreme being - 5th element - protect *you*"
pupnikhmm need to add the other howto to that19:42
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xeosFinally, I will build emacs without gtk/x support since I cannot get installed any font (It semms omap x server doesn't support), so I will loss posibility of use the stylus. If anyone have an idea in order to it works better, tell me please.20:12
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pupnikxeos: you can build libgpm20:24
pupniki use it for links2 web browser20:24
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xeosIt sounds nice, I don't know that library20:27
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pupniki don't remember if emacs can use it though20:28
xeosIt semms it do20:28
xeost-mouse.el :)20:29
xeosIt said:20:29
xeosToggle t-mouse mode to use the mouse in Linux consoles.20:29
xeosWith prefix arg, turn t-mouse mode on if arg is positive, otherwise turn it20:29
xeosThis allows the use of the mouse when operating on a Linux console, in the20:29
xeossame way as you can use the mouse under X11.20:29
xeosIt requires the `mev' program, part of the `gpm' utilities.20:29
pupnikthere is also a way to install additional fonts20:29
_Monkeyfonts are already antialiased, so20:29
pupnikdarn -- there's a howto somewhere20:30
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_Monkeyfonts are installable by copying .ttf fonts to /usr/share/fonts and then running "fc-cache -f" as root to rebuild system font cache information, then reboot.20:33
xeosbut I think emacs22 doesn't support this fonts. It has been added at 23 version20:35
xeosEmacs works fine, the problem is the font apparers tiny, it is not readable.20:38
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xeosand when I try switch another font, It yields a "not found font" warning20:40
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mbufto use different maemo development environments (Bora 3.1, 3.2, Chinook 4.0), should  we install separate scratchbox environments? if yes, how?21:14
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xeospupnik: I have seen in your deps list the xfonts-base package.21:19
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xeosbut the link is broken21:26
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mbufi have added "deb file:/home/foo/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_3.2 bora explicit" in /etc/apt/sources.list, is that correct for Bora 3.2? apt-get update on the host obviously says "file:/home/foo File not found"22:59
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xeosI have a problem. When init starts esd, it plays a strange sound like `pc speaker', increasing the frecuency. It is like that since I copied my internal flash to mmc. In fact, if I boot from flash I will run successly. Any idea?23:14
xeos(I have installed the XCFE tarball too, perhaps it could something to do)23:16
xeosthanks in advance23:16
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