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| rene4jazz | I have installed gregale on scratchbox | 00:11 |
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| rene4jazz | now I would like to install a web browser inside scratchbox, it's possible? | 00:13 |
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| rene4jazz | how can I install new applications into scratchboxed maemo | 01:08 |
| rene4jazz | ? | 01:08 |
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| pupnik | damn package with a colon | 04:13 |
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| pupnik | maemo sdk? | 05:02 |
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| pupnik | Found a linux/SDL M.U.L.E. (strategy game) clone for linux/SDL http://www.heroicproportions.org/downloads.html | 08:03 |
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| pupnik | heh mule compiled | 08:25 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:16 |
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| lardman | morning all | 14:10 |
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| lardman | hi mbuf | 14:27 |
| mbuf | lardman, hi | 14:28 |
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| grndlvl | wow pretty large group here, just got my N800 yesterday having alot of fun loving the Open System | 15:02 |
| lardman | lots of people logged on, but mostly idling | 15:04 |
| lardman | glad to hear you're enjoying it | 15:04 |
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| alterego | :) | 15:05 |
| alterego | Some people are more idle than others :)# | 15:05 |
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| grndlvl | ya, I used it too much yesterday and the battery is dead now, away from the house without the charger so that sucks | 15:09 |
| grndlvl | going to go pick up some bigger SDmini cards today | 15:10 |
| grndlvl | not been in the mobile sceen that much whats the largest SDcard out there? | 15:12 |
| alterego | 8Gb | 15:12 |
| grndlvl | schweet | 15:13 |
| alterego | Not sure if they do mini SD that size. | 15:13 |
| alterego | But certainly standard SD cards | 15:13 |
| grndlvl | ohh yea | 15:13 |
| grndlvl | the one thing that i find strange is that, why in the world does the N800 come with a SD mini and an adapter, will nothing else fit it.. | 15:14 |
| gla55_ | just use normal sd's? | 15:15 |
| gla55_ | they probably got sd minis and adapters for cheap | 15:15 |
| gla55_ | or had them on stock for some other model | 15:15 |
| grndlvl | so a regular sd does fit the N800? | 15:16 |
| alterego | Yeah, their newer phones use MiniSD | 15:16 |
| alterego | Obviously. | 15:16 |
| alterego | Those are SD/MMC slots, not MiniSD slots :P | 15:16 |
| grndlvl | well yea but hey you never know yo, like i said as far as the mobile scene is i am behind, a guy at work walked in with one of these the other day and I was like whoa thats awesome | 15:17 |
| alterego | Yeah, they are pretty awesome. | 15:18 |
| alterego | Developing apps for it is pretty easy too now, with Python and Ruby. | 15:18 |
| grndlvl | yea... i noticed it a GTK interface | 15:19 |
| gla55_ | alterego: some use mini, some use micro. can't standardize even on that... | 15:19 |
| alterego | The old ones use MicroMMC | 15:19 |
| alterego | All the new phones will be MiniSD. | 15:19 |
| alterego | Plainly because SD is MMC's successor. It's just taken a while for people to adapt. | 15:19 |
| alterego | s/adapt/adopt :) | 15:20 |
| gla55_ | alterego: not all new ones use minisd, quite many of them use micro | 15:20 |
| gla55_ | e61 is one of the few that use mini | 15:21 |
| alterego | Which is unusual, because the E61 isn't that new :P | 15:21 |
| alterego | When I say new, I mean N95 onwards. | 15:21 |
| gla55_ | n95 is microsd | 15:21 |
| gla55_ | n81 is microsd | 15:22 |
| alterego | I thought you were talking about MMC. | 15:22 |
| gla55_ | ah | 15:22 |
| alterego | My whole argument was how SD cards are taking over from MMC :P | 15:22 |
| gla55_ | ah, my was how nokia didn't standardize straight to one sd | 15:22 |
| alterego | Whether they're micro, mini or standard it doesn't really matter :P | 15:23 |
| gla55_ | all s60 3rd ed fp1 devices seem to be micro though | 15:23 |
| alterego | Yeah | 15:23 |
| gla55_ | it matters when you got a mini and can't fit it in :) | 15:23 |
| alterego | Micro look _tiny_ though .. | 15:23 |
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| gla55_ | yeah pretty small | 15:27 |
| gla55_ | nail size | 15:27 |
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| alterego | There was me, wondering why osso wouldn't initialize. And I've not even started the desktop ^_^ | 15:46 |
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| Blacksito | how reinstall osso-application-installer ? | 16:09 |
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| Blacksito | my osso-applicacion-installer its broken :( | 16:09 |
| Blacksito | help me :) | 16:09 |
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| alterego | How is it broken? | 16:10 |
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| Blacksito | alterego, http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1261/1457619883_50c4319220.jpg :( | 16:40 |
| Blacksito | not run :\ | 16:40 |
| Blacksito | what problem ? | 16:41 |
| _Monkey | i heard problem was that we need a better bot. Not just a monkey.... | 16:41 |
| Blacksito | I use : apt-get install --reinstall osso-application-install problem continue | 16:42 |
| alterego | Why did it break? | 16:42 |
| alterego | Have you tried restarting the device? | 16:43 |
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| sus | I want kagu media player (a python/pygame app) automatically launching on startup without the need of nothing else, apart the possibility to switch off the 770. What should I do? I'm not a linux expert, but I can manage to edit sh files in root mode and stuff like that, so please some suggestions... | 16:58 |
| sus | perhaps should I add a line at the end of /etc/osso-af-init/real-af-startup? | 17:01 |
| zuh | sus: I guess one easy way would be just replacing maemo-af-desktop binary name with yours in the m-a-d script | 17:01 |
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| zuh | That way the desktop doesn't get in the way at all | 17:02 |
| sus | so I won't be able to switch off? | 17:02 |
| zuh | The shutdown dialog will pop up regardless of the desktop | 17:03 |
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| sus | so you're saying I could try replacing.... | 17:03 |
| zuh | But of course replacing the desktop is pretty invasive | 17:03 |
| sus | the call to maemo-af-desktop | 17:03 |
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| sus | with: python kagu.py | 17:04 |
| sus | (of course with all the paths)? | 17:04 |
| alterego | Why would you do that?!?!! | 17:04 |
| alterego | :) | 17:04 |
| sus | :) | 17:04 |
| sus | I know, that's just for a one-day thing... | 17:04 |
| alterego | What's wrong with the maemo desktop? :) | 17:04 |
| sus | then I want to be able to restore all ! | 17:05 |
| alterego | So you can show off to your friends. Look, this is my Nokia N800 python kagu media player :P | 17:05 |
| zuh | sus: ok, then it's better to just add it to the end of some startup script | 17:05 |
| alterego | sus, keep sshd running :) | 17:05 |
| zuh | alterego: What's not wrong with the desktop..?-) | 17:05 |
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| sus | so to what startup script should I add the call? | 17:05 |
| sus | (or a safe back to normal) | 17:06 |
| sus | (for a safe back to normal) | 17:06 |
| alterego | I'd do what zuh said, as long as you've got sshd installed you can ssh in and edit it. | 17:06 |
| alterego | (provided the network is setup correctly on the device) | 17:06 |
| zuh | Blacksito: You might be hitting this: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-April/009840.html | 17:06 |
| sus | oh, well, I have it already installed and working | 17:06 |
| sus | I'm not so linux comfortable, I should go into etc/init.d right? or where? | 17:08 |
| zuh | real-af-startup should be just fine I think | 17:09 |
| sus | So you think I'll continue to have ssh access after rebooting with that file modified? | 17:09 |
| sus | if so, I'm going to try. I'll be here crying after if something goes wrong ! :) | 17:10 |
| Blacksito | thanks zuh | 17:12 |
| Blacksito | whats the problem ? | 17:12 |
| _Monkey | the problem is that we need a better bot. Not just a monkey.... | 17:12 |
| zuh | Blacksito: the actual problem is this: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-April/009871.html | 17:14 |
| zuh | I don't remember why I was seeing that back then, but the basic problem is that sudo is not working | 17:15 |
| Blacksito | yes | 17:18 |
| Blacksito | sudo unable to lookup <mihost> via gethosbyname() <-- zuh | 17:19 |
| Blacksito | nokia n800 # sudo su - | 17:20 |
| sus | I'm reading the real-af-startup script and I'm a little scared... can't figure out how I can say "please after you've set all that you need, load python /path/to/kagu.py". There are so much if...fi I don't know where to write and how. | 17:21 |
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| bmidgley | when I plug into usb, my n800 always says the internal card is in use | 17:23 |
| bmidgley | no apps are up | 17:23 |
| bmidgley | how do i figure out what is pinning down the card? | 17:24 |
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| dragorn | bmidgley: lsof if you have it | 17:39 |
| dragorn | bmidgley: otherwise, reboot | 17:39 |
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| jani | afaik, when you plug the usb cable, the mmc is shared automatically as external disk and thus its "used" | 17:41 |
| dragorn | except if it's already in use by an app, it has to be unmounted by the os on the 800 to be exported | 17:44 |
| dragorn | which I suspect is the problem he's having | 17:45 |
| dragorn | though you may be right and i'm reading it inverted | 17:45 |
| dragorn | bmidgley: So yes - if the problem is, you can't access the card from a pc because it's busy, listen to me. If the problem is you can't use the card on the n800 while it's plugged into a pc, listen to jani | 17:46 |
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| bmidgley | yeah the card wouldn't "export" to the pc | 17:56 |
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| bmidgley | I tried again just now and it worked... maybe maemo mapper was still shutting down | 17:57 |
| bmidgley | when I tried the first time | 17:57 |
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| r- | anyone seen a group of themes that actually work with the new os2007 ? | 17:59 |
| pupnik | themes? | 18:01 |
| _Monkey | themes is http://downloads.maemo.org/other/ for recent Bora themes, http://thememaker.garage.maemo.org/About%20Theme%20Maker.html for the 'Theme Maker' applet, https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-theme-tools/README for tools http://icct.blogspot.com/2006/04/maemo-themes-are-here.html | 18:01 |
| rwhitby | r-: plankton | 18:01 |
| _Monkey | plankton is a good theme eh? | 18:01 |
| xeos | Hi folks, | 18:08 |
| xeos | I have a deb package which I can install by `dpkg -i' but not by application manager. Can anyone tell me why it could be? | 18:09 |
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| pupnik | xeos: the 'section' may be incorrect - apps need to be user/foo and not just foo | 18:18 |
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| pupnik | xeos: you can see the info with dpkg -I <package> | 18:21 |
| pupnik | blah i have to fix up some packages | 18:21 |
| pupnik | no rest for the wicket | 18:23 |
| r- | i keep getting install file corrupted when i try to install a theme | 18:23 |
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| pupnik | Sconstruct is simpler than automake/autoconf | 18:28 |
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| xeos | pupnik: It could be, is there any form of change section without rebuild the package? | 18:52 |
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| pupnik | i can try to find out. dpkg -X unpacks it - maybe there's a command to re-pack it | 18:53 |
| alterego | Not from an unpacked package. | 18:55 |
| alterego | As it doesn't have the "DEBIAN" directory. | 18:55 |
| alterego | You could make a dummy package directory. | 18:55 |
| pupnik | alterego: do you know the policy for maemo 'sections'? | 18:56 |
| alterego | user/* | 18:56 |
| xeos | dpkg -e | --control filename [directory] Extract control-information from a package. | 18:56 |
| xeos | only extract.. | 18:56 |
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| pupnik | aha -e works - created DEBIAN | 18:56 |
| alterego | xeos, exactly, so make your own rules file which rebuilds the package from the extracted contents. | 18:56 |
| alterego | All you'll beed to do is something like: cp -R $(CURDIR)/package-contents $(CURDIR)/debian/package-name | 18:57 |
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| alterego | Put that in the install section and you're done :) | 18:57 |
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| xeos | okay, I will try it | 18:59 |
| pupnik | i am seeing a ton of libraries with Section: libs | 18:59 |
| pupnik | but a few libraries with Section: user/libs | 18:59 |
| alterego | They can only be installed with dpkg -i | 19:00 |
| alterego | I'm pretty certain that you have to have the user/ prefix for it to work in the application installer. | 19:00 |
| alterego | I think that's the only real caveat. | 19:00 |
| pupnik | osso-applet-sound_1.3.5-3_armel.deb Section: libs | 19:00 |
| pupnik | osso-backup_1.2.5-1_armel.deb Section: misc | 19:00 |
| alterego | Ah, they are core packages though. | 19:00 |
| pupnik | ok | 19:00 |
| alterego | That's for _maemo_ not for users. | 19:01 |
| pupnik | gotcha | 19:01 |
| * alterego is working on a new ruby-dbus binding using the dbus-glib layer. | 19:03 | |
| alterego | The dbus extension that's already written is kind of broken. | 19:03 |
| alterego | Rather than fix it I thought it would be better to write a new one using dbus-glib. | 19:03 |
| alterego | :) | 19:03 |
| grndlvl | what do i need to do to be able to transfer files between the N800 and my mac? | 19:09 |
| grndlvl | nvrm | 19:10 |
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| grndlvl | ok i take that back i do need to know how | 19:16 |
| Sulis | grndlvl, well you can plug your n800 into your mac and it should mount the two sd cards automatically | 19:16 |
| Sulis | you should see them on your desktop | 19:16 |
| grndlvl | yea normallly but did not seem to happen | 19:17 |
| grndlvl | let me just try to d/c and r/c | 19:17 |
| grndlvl | that seemed to work | 19:19 |
| Sulis | good | 19:19 |
| grndlvl | thanks | 19:21 |
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| robtro | hmmmm | 19:26 |
| r- | neat. | 19:26 |
| alterego | sshfs ftw! | 19:28 |
| alterego | :) | 19:28 |
| grndlvl | that would have worked as well | 19:28 |
| robtro | lol internet | 19:28 |
| alterego | It's my prefered method. | 19:28 |
| alterego | I only use the cable for flashing and when I'm not at my machine. | 19:29 |
| grndlvl | omfq this thing has apt-get on it | 19:29 |
| grndlvl | lmao | 19:29 |
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| alterego | Urm .. Obviously. | 19:29 |
| alterego | It's built on debian. | 19:29 |
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| grndlvl | yea i am seeing that | 19:29 |
| alterego | Hmm .. I think I'm going to have to skip the dbus-glib and just do a proper dbus binding for Ruby | 19:30 |
| alterego | Well, I'll do this anyway and see how it works out. | 19:32 |
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| pupnik | so far the only ruby app i saw was nice | 19:47 |
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| r- | anyone here dealt with bluetooth DUN with a blackberry ? | 20:03 |
| r- | i've nailed the issue down to incorrect understnading of the blackberry's bluetooth profiles, but dont know which end the problem is on | 20:04 |
| r- | (does the n800 not understand the bb properly) or (does the bb not notify the n800 of the proper profiles, which do in fact exist on the bb) | 20:04 |
| pupnik | maybe a forum post would help | 20:09 |
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| xand | is it possible to change the layout of the 770's on-screen keyboard? specifically to make the number keypad the right way up | 20:33 |
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| alterego | It is the right way up | 20:47 |
| alterego | _real_ keyboards are the wrong way up :P | 20:47 |
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| Sulis | alterego, depends if you use a telephone or a computer more | 20:59 |
| grndlvl | trying to install libsqlite0, unable to find it in repo, any ideas? | 20:59 |
| alterego | Sulis, I guess so. | 21:00 |
| alterego | Or a calculator | 21:00 |
| alterego | Sulis, anyhow, yes you can change it. | 21:00 |
| pupnik | repositories? | 21:01 |
| _Monkey | repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php | 21:01 |
| Sulis | alterego, it was xand who wanted to know, not me | 21:02 |
| alterego | Oh, right :) | 21:03 |
| alterego | xand, you need to generate a vkb file and stick it in /usr/share/keyboards | 21:03 |
| alterego | That's all I know though ^_^ | 21:03 |
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| grndlvl | thanks for the repo lists | 21:19 |
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| pupnik | lua5.1 built... | 21:33 |
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| alterego | Any bindings? | 21:35 |
| pupnik | no - just compiled it for a game | 21:36 |
| alterego | Ah | 21:36 |
| pupnik | gcc -o boswars -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/lib -lpng -lz -ldl -llua5.1 -llua5.1 -logg -lX11 -lSDL -lpthread -lSDL | 21:36 |
| pupnik | /scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm/lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/3.4.4/../../../../arm-none-linux-gnueabi/lib/crt1.o: In function `_start':init.c:(.text+0x30): undefined reference to `mai | 21:36 |
| pupnik | n' | 21:37 |
| pupnik | :/ | 21:37 |
| alterego | Erm | 21:37 |
| alterego | That doesn't sound good :) | 21:37 |
| pupnik | yeah same error on host with gcc 4.1.3 | 21:42 |
| pupnik | they forgot to compile or link main function | 21:44 |
| pupnik | wtf | 21:44 |
| alterego | Weird | 21:45 |
| alterego | Looking at that command. .. Where's the source file? | 21:46 |
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| pupnik | they fixed it in next release | 21:58 |
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| pupnik | http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blenderonthenokia770bp8.png Blender running on Nokia 770 :D | 22:10 |
| jani | hehe | 22:13 |
| bedboi | lol | 22:14 |
| bedboi | this is something really useless | 22:14 |
| bedboi | well having accelerated 3d would be cool | 22:15 |
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| pupnik | with more ram, better cpu yes. with n800 - very limited IMO | 22:17 |
| pupnik | as soon as you say the word 'opengl' people assume apps will run that take many MB of textures | 22:17 |
| jani | well, its propably usefull for modelling but not for actual rendering =) | 22:25 |
| pupnik | yeah modeling worked fine on a cyrix 133mhz | 22:26 |
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| pupnik | bos wars compiles - just need lua and 2.4 source | 23:33 |
| pupnik | too heavy for the 770 though - anybody who wants to test/play on N800 /msg me | 23:34 |
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