IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2007-06-26

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Veggenah. a gmyth howto.00:09
Veggenanyone using gmyth=00:09
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renatofilho_Veggen: Hi, I working with gmyth00:12
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Veggendoes it work? makes it easy to access mythtv-recordings, etc?00:14
renatofilho_Veggen: Yes this is the target of gmyth lib00:15
Veggenright now, I used a (or whatever it was called), made a user job out of it, that just puts a transcoded version in a web-accessible directory.00:15
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Veggenrenato: no debian packages yet? :)00:17
renatofilho_Veggen: you can download gmencoder from here: , for get your videos and transcode, and get this gst element ( to transcode from you tv card00:19
renatofilho_Veggen: not yet00:19
VeggenHmm. Nothing to install on the nokia, everything at the mythbox?00:20
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renatofilho_Veggen: you can use this player (  or mplayer with gms for play your files on n80000:24
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konttorimelmoth: you around?00:26
konttoridid you remember to call: pygame.init()?00:27
konttoriwell, of course you did if it works on your pc. silly me. bygones00:27
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pupnikericz: get a thinkoutside stowaway (or the nokia) bluetooth keyboard00:33
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ericzpupnik, thanks, ill look into them00:34
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montesluwow, woot's price is a quarter of what I paid :(00:52
pupnikit's depressing00:52
monteslubut at least we get an influx of users00:52
ericzha, that's why i'm here!00:53
pupniki am hoping one of the DrPocketSNES guys can pick one up00:53
montesluI preorder one at launch, love  the thing00:53
montesluactually put it away for almost a year, but dug it out recently. The repos are awesome these days. Tons of apps00:53
pupniki have a bunch of works in progress at http://pupnik.de00:54
pupnikfor e.g.
montesluI did a port of gnuboy, but never got the screen to tilt 90degrees00:55
montesluthe buttons are kinda setup so that you need to rotate the screen00:56
ericzis it a big deal to get sshd running?00:56
monteslunope, just install the dropbear server00:56
pupnikwould you be interested in working on DrPocketSNES?  They claim full speed with sound on a 250mhz GP2x00:56
montesluits in the repos00:56
ericzi don't have to flash anything or void my warranty, heh00:56
montesluericz, nope00:56
monteslupupnik, I'll take a look. been a while since I did any porting. Nokia kinda pissed me off be releasing the N800 so soon00:57
ericzhow about ssh'ing to other machines?00:57
montesluthe dropbear client is in the same repo00:57
ericzk, cool00:57
montesluyou can even tunnel with it00:57
montesluI was on vacation this weekend, and was using the maemomapper with a bluetooth gps. My hotel had wireless, but not httpS, but i was able to ssh to my house and tunnel a vnc connection to my server00:58
montesluBTW, mission valley resort in San Diego is kinda overpriced, and the wireless connection doesn't reach far from the lobby :)00:59
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ericzthere's snes9x for n770?!01:05
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pupnikyeah i just cross compiled it01:06
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pupnikplayed a bit of chrono last week, but it's slow and no sound01:06
pupnikwhich is why DrPocketSNES is so crucial - it's much much faster01:07
ericzwhat about zsnes?01:07
ericzstill slow?01:07
pupnikzsnes needs x86 cpu01:07
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pupnikor it did, last time i checked01:07
montesluI'd be happy with an emulator for the original NES01:07
monteslucan't get enough metroid and smb301:07
pupnikTak made FCEU01:07
pupnikso you can play NES games01:07
montesluscreen rotated?01:08
pupnikwith choppy sound - but it works01:08
pupnikwhy rotated?01:08
monteslubecause the buttons on the left01:08
pupnikFCEU has onscreen buttons on the right01:08
pupnikso you have dpad on the left and A/B buttons on the right side of the screen01:08
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monteslucan you use b & a at the same time01:08
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monteslu(for running jumps in SMB)01:09
pupnikAfaik no, but he could add a third button that would combine them01:09
pupnikThat's what i am doing for Ur-Quan Masters (Star Control 2)01:09
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pupnikAh but the running jump wouldn't work01:10
montesluyeah, you hold b to run then tap a01:10
pupnikUnfortunately the 770/800 buttons only accept one button simultaneously01:10
montesluwhiel still hold b01:10
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pupnikok that's out.  Given the poor dpad design, action games are pretty much out, imo01:10
pupnikunless you're playing with keyboard01:10
montesluor rotating the screen :)01:11
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pupnikstill can't do direction and keypress simultaneously01:11
pupnikthe 770/800 can only accept one button press at a time01:12
monteslubut it can through a bluetooth thumboard?01:13
pupnikYeah BT can01:13
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monteslucan tak's fceu be configured to use different buttons?01:13
pupnikI was dreaming of manufacturing a larger aluminum cover, with buttons and d-pad on the sides, that connected via bluetooth01:14
pupnikum i think so01:14
montesluadd a built-in rechargeable battery that loops out to power up the 77001:15
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pupnikYeah, you could also do a homemade version.01:16
montesluand has a slide out thumboard :)01:16
pupnikJust buy one of those bluetooth controllers, take it apart.  Buy a spare aluminum cover, then cast or carve out a shell that attaches to the spare aluminum cover.01:16
pupnikIf you wanted to make a really thick one, you'd have space for a usb hard drive and extra Li-ion battery01:18
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pupnikPretty disappointing that the N800 doesn't have the sliding cover, imo01:18
* monteslu is really considering buying a second one as a permanent fixture for the vehicle01:19
monteslumaemo mapper with a bluetooth GPS is a good enough nav system for me01:20
pupnikthe map data is free or commercial?01:20
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montesluthere is free stuff, but the commercial stuff is better01:21
montesluinternettablettalk has some links to sites you can use, and you can tell maemomapper that you want to cache map images on you card01:23
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pupnikI don't travel.  It's too expensive01:27
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samiam010203hello all02:58
samiam010203anyone active right now ?02:58
monteslusup dude02:58
samiam010203im trying to install mh-shot-tool but its complaining about missing dependacies so im woundering what repos i need to at to myu sources.list02:58
samiam010203anyone know what repos i should add03:00
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konttoriI hate it when that happens.03:01
samiam010203yes it sucks :(03:02
konttoripeople should always include all dependencies in their repos03:02
samiam010203thats what i think too03:02
konttoritake your pick from here:
konttoriI would suspect
samiam010203thanks for the link03:02
konttorifree non-free extras03:03
konttorithat might be the case.03:03
samiam010203ill look into it now03:03
konttoriUp.s the address was:
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samiam010203i need hildon-fm1, hildon-libs0, and libosso1 packages03:13
samiam010203i cant seem to find them03:14
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samiam010203thanks guys/gals , i succesfully got it installed :)03:25
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trevarthanI just got a thinkoutside/igo kb.04:12
trevarthanThe FN key doesnt work and the SHIFT key doesnt work. how do I fix that?04:13
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kakosIs there a word processor for the N800?05:43
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BrenduhI figure ya'll bought rs mmc cards.  I was wondering if you know where the cheapest place is to buy them.05:57
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outtolunci seen 1gb ones for like $19ish earlier....
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outtoluncanyone know what the proper svn url/branch is for the maemo 2.2 (770 stuff)06:07
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unique311hello all08:14
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unique311pupnik POSE most active this week.   WOW08:15
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unique311can't seem to get mh-shot-tool to authenticate when it comes time to upload to flickr.08:17
unique311anyone having this issue?08:17
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mk8Hi to all .....10:47
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JaffaMorning, all11:35
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pupnik_unique311: pretty funny re: pose active.  I just updated the progress status on some of the TODO list.11:37
pupnik_guten morgen!11:37
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unique311doing alot of research on this thing...11:44
unique311if i can find  the older sources codes.....3.0 3.1 and 3.2 could make some more magice happen11:45
unique311i found 3.0 on, but like i stated on my ITT post. have to DL every single file individually.11:46
unique311make some magic happen pupnik.11:46
unique311also. i just uploaded a new project....quicksynergy...GUI for nicely...11:47
unique311its in the garage11:47
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pupnik_what magic needed unique311 ?11:51
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unique311the keyboard you spoke of on ITT11:52
unique311skin version of it.11:52
unique311figure if i compile psoe 3.0 and am able to use the handpsring treo 90 rom.11:52
pupnikoh.  do you like the idea of putting the keys on either side of the display?  or do you think that would suck too much?11:52
unique311all i have to do is modify the skin...11:52
unique311it would be coold..11:53
pupnikyeah i'd figure that11:53
unique311but you have to understand the roms being used now m130 and m505 don't support keyboard in the rom..11:53
unique311treo 90 does11:53
pupniki'm wondering if maybe we could make a skin with keys that would work with roms for any PALM?11:53
unique311reason being everything is in the rom..11:54
unique311if you can extract the rom and hack the hell out of it..then maybe..11:54
pupnikbut you can type in any rom with bluetooth keyboard, i think11:55
pupnikso i'm wondering if pose on-screen keys go through the x keyboard input11:55
unique311you can, you can also use synergy to  to type.11:55
pupniki suppose i'd need to look at the source11:56
unique311you can probably modify the source for the 3.5 emu and get it to support the treo9011:56
unique311but i think thats going to be alot of work.11:56
pupnikdid you have any luck getting the .deb to work?11:56
unique311not sure if its the user/extras that fixed it.11:57
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unique311or removing the file.11:57
pupnikok good deal.  so i can youse your debian package config if i need to compile POSE for myself11:57
unique311you want the source code i modified?11:58
pupnikyeah that would be good.11:59
unique311k going to upload now..11:59
unique311it will include fltk and pose.11:59
unique311both are source files from debian12:00
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unique311might just write the admin at koders and see if he can just send me the source folder for 3.012:02
unique311pupnik when you have a chance check this link out...on how to have the keyboard pop up....12:04
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pupnikfile is passwd protected?12:10
pupniki can't download it from divshare12:11
unique311its pose12:11
unique311i think12:11
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pupnikok that worked12:11
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pupnikoh that snippets page is great12:12
pupniki had forgotten about it12:12
unique311what about if you modify fltk source to pop up the hildon keyboard..12:13
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unique311i don't think you have to modify the pose source12:13
lardmanI see someone's removed the DSP info bit from the wish list. Any ideas whether this was on purpose (i.e. is it just a prompt for me to add some additional information in a wiki page for it)?12:13
unique311pose already has a keyboard..12:13
unique311whenever a keyboard is needed, its from the right click menu, and thats fltk isn't?12:14
pupniki don't know12:14
pupnikwatchu talkin' bout lardman?12:15
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pupnikAnd why should Caesar be a tyrant then? // Poor man! I know he would not be a wolf, // But that he sees the Romans are but sheep:12:17
pupnik- Shakespeare, 'Julius Ceasar'12:17
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lardmanpupnik: On the roadmap page there used to be an entry in the wishlist saying that we'd like some 'hello world' style source code for the DSP12:24
lardmanBut after re-reading the pade, I suppose I need to "Propose a new feature", which is fair enough12:24
unique311pupnik here it can be done...12:25
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unique311check out this link
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unique311shows how to make a pop-up numeric pad for fltk12:26
unique311the only reason for needed a pop up keyboard would be to write when you have to save open, etc.12:27
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AD-N770good morning12:29
pupnikk i havta go buy more ramen12:29
kulveMoRpHeUz: should that gmyth-ls work?12:29
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MoRpHeUzkulve: yeah13:05
MoRpHeUzgmyth-ls -h IP -p 6543 -u mythtv -w mythtv13:05
MoRpHeUz(if database's passwd and user are mythtv)13:05
kulve** (gmyth-ls:30366): WARNING **: Could not connect to backend db13:06
kulveit doesn't even send anything over tcp13:06
kulveI have compiled it in a different prefix but I think gst and gnomevfs finds the new modules because of the env variables I've set13:07
MoRpHeUzkulve: hhmm13:07
MoRpHeUzkulve: try:13:07
MoRpHeUzstrace gmyth-ls ....13:07
MoRpHeUzand see what strace shows you at the end...13:08
MoRpHeUzkulve: maybe I know what is wrong =)13:08
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kulvehow end..?13:08
kulveconnect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(3306), sin_addr=inet_addr("")}, 16) = -1 EINPROGRESS (Operation now in progress)13:08
MoRpHeUzstops at that ?13:09
kulveread(3, "K\0\0\2\377\25\4#28000Access denied for u"..., 16384) = 7913:09
MoRpHeUzhhmm =)13:09
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MoRpHeUzmysql -h IP -umythtv -pmythtv13:09
kulveArgument invalid. Type --help13:09
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MoRpHeUzmysql -h -u mythtv -pmythtv (try this)13:11
kulveoh, mysql..13:12
kulvedon't have that..13:13
MoRpHeUzok....I think I know what is your problem...13:14
MoRpHeUztry downloading (and installing) this:
kulveI do have libmysqlclient15-dev..13:15
kulvewhat's that on your link+13:15
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MoRpHeUzit's not the dev one13:15
MoRpHeUzkulve: it's the package itself13:16
MoRpHeUz(there are this one and the dev one)13:16
kulveii  libmysqlclient15off        5.0.32-7etch1              mysql database client library13:16
kulveI did have that one13:16
kulvenow I do have the mysql -command line client too..13:17
kulveI think I've just listened the wrong port with my tcpdump..13:18
MoRpHeUzhhmm hehe13:19
kulvewhat's the --port for..?13:19
MoRpHeUzkulve: try also should work as well...13:20
MoRpHeUzmythbacken's port13:20
kulvedoesn't work with out it, but doesn't matter what I put to it (the port)13:20
MoRpHeUzgmyth-cat -h IP -p 6543 -u mythtv -c CHANNEL_NUMBER > file.mpg13:20
MoRpHeUzkulve: maybe the guy that coded gmyth-ls made a mistake with this parameter...I can check it latter...(I have always used with the port)13:21
kulve"-p 1" works just fine ;)13:21
kulve"invalid argument" if I skip the parameter13:21
MoRpHeUzkulve: ok..I'll correct that as soon as I finish the bug I'm working on! thanks...13:22
kulvehmm.. the cat doesn't accept -w and -u ? (at least not according to the --help)13:23
MoRpHeUzkulve: just needs the user name13:24
MoRpHeUz( -u )13:24
MoRpHeUzmy fault13:24
MoRpHeUzit doesnt need even the username hehe13:24
MoRpHeUz(according to --help)13:25
kulve-f should give a file that's recorded earlier? and -c would start recording?13:25
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MoRpHeUzkulve: nops...13:26
MoRpHeUz-c would start live tv13:26
MoRpHeUz(then you redirect it's output ">" to a file or even pipe to a player)13:27
MoRpHeUzkulve: btw, just tested and gmyth-ls needs backend's port, otherwise it doesnt work13:27
kulve./bin/gmyth-cat -h -p 6543 -c 65 > /tmp/foo.mpg13:28
kulve(gmyth-cat:32446): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_io_channel_write_chars: assertion `channel != NULL' failed13:28
kulve(gmyth-cat:32446): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_io_channel_flush: assertion `channel != NULL' failed13:28
kulveSegmentation fault13:28
kulvehmm.. "-f filename" started to print lot's of numbers..13:28
MoRpHeUzkulve: if the numbers were increasing it was right13:29
kulvethey do13:29
MoRpHeUzok...try to play /tmp/foo.mpg with mplayer for instance...13:29
MoRpHeUz(need to CTRL+C to stop)13:29
kulveI'm not able to use any graphical stuff now. I test that from home13:30
MoRpHeUz(dont worry because once we assure all of them are working, gmyth-streamer will do all of these steps automatically for you)13:30
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kulveit seems that it's mostly working now..13:30
kulveat least those two things13:30
MoRpHeUzjust try then: du -sh /tmp/foo.mpg and see if the file has some "size"13:30
MoRpHeUzkulve: so gmyth-ls worked ?13:30
kulve478M    /tmp/foo.mpg13:30
kulveyeah, the ls gives all my channels13:30
zuhkulve: You can just run mplayer foo.mpeg and see if the numbers run like they are supposed to...13:31
kulvezuh: excellent :)13:31
kulve(and they are)13:31
MoRpHeUzkulve: great! it seems to work =)13:31
MoRpHeUznow you just have to start gmyth-streamer and you should have remote stream with live transcoding =)13:32
kulveit's still a bit unclear to me how to use the mplayer on the device..13:32
MoRpHeUz(if you have port 40000 opened on your firewall, you can even try that from wherever you are)13:32
zuhkulve: next time, put the N800 in front of a mirror with the camera out and stream the feed ;)13:33
MoRpHeUzkulve: gmyth-streamer will stream the video over http, and you will use mplayer to "play an url"... ;-)13:33
MoRpHeUzkulve: this is why I said that you should not worry as gmyth-streamer would do all this stuff for you =)13:34
kulveMoRpHeUz: can I choose the codecs it uses?13:34
MoRpHeUzkulve: yeah...13:34
MoRpHeUzkulve: but I just can assure that the default one works =) hehe13:35
MoRpHeUz(and some other combinations)13:35
MoRpHeUzbut inside n800 I'm 100% sure that the default options work13:35
kulveI'll try to find some time to test those out13:36
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MoRpHeUzkulve: it's me who has to say thanks =) (btw, thanks hehe)13:37
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unique311new screenshots...of The POSE14:01
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pupnikyou pull that keyboard up with right click?14:03
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inzuniq, you got mh-shot-tool working?14:05
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MoRpHeUzgood work..nice pics14:10
unique311keyboard is within the emu14:10
pupnikok so it comes up when you start that notepad thing14:11
unique311it doesn't come up..14:11
unique311you have to call it up..14:11
pupnikok i understand14:11
unique311the graffiti area has the abc14:11
unique311thats why i modified the skin again so people would be able to see it.14:12
unique311yes mh-shot-tool is working inz14:12
roopeI hate it when I try to install an app (like urhos media app) and it just says "Operation failed". Thanks a lot for the verbose information.14:13
unique311pupnik im not too sure about this ron paul character..14:16
unique311he talks a good games...but at the end of the day he is still a republican....14:16
inzuniq, cool, do you have any idea why it wasn't working?14:16
unique311multiple browser windows being open...14:17
unique311i left a comment on the website..14:17
unique311something about flickr not being able to authenticate "frob"14:17
suihkulokkiroope: you know who defines the error messages :)14:20
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konttoriroope: i hate that too14:30
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konttoriThere should be a log window in the installer.14:31
inzthere is14:33
unique311I want The Enlightenment, who do i speak to....14:36
konttoriinz: great.14:37
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MoRpHeUzunique311: k-s =)14:41
unique311hmmm i don't understand....14:43
unique311looks like random keypresses to me..14:44
unique311explain yourself MoRpHeUz14:44
MoRpHeUzunique311: a guy called k-s is porting evas to the device...14:44
MoRpHeUzif you want enlightment on it, ask him =)14:45
MoRpHeUzunique311: it's k-s =) take a look at his blog14:45
unique311is k-s rasterman14:45
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MoRpHeUzno...rasterman is helping14:46
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MoRpHeUzunique311: k-s:
unique311so theirs 2 individuals working on it...14:46
MoRpHeUzunique311: take a look at the videos... =)14:47
unique311i did...14:47
unique311i saw all of ths on maemo.org14:47
unique311but on the other hand..i'm also seeing that on he is porting it.14:48
unique311or has it running on the n80014:48
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MoRpHeUzyeah...they are working together14:48
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konttoriUKTUBE 0.3 out now:
konttoriCool new features are: Faster download, less stalling. Cropped 16:9 mode for those videos with black borders and a do-not-save mode.15:14
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roopekonttori: any ideas why it would give that error when i try to install the ukmp 1.3? I have python 2.5 already installed.15:41
roopeClicking the link from the downloads page.15:42
konttoriDoes the error happen immediately?15:42
roopeYeah. Before any progress banners.15:42
konttorisounds like it's missing some pre-dependency.15:43
konttorisounds odd, as I haven't heard such problems from anyone else15:43
konttoriotoh: not everyone has the time to report errors15:43
suihkulokkiroope: use xterm and install it as root with dpkg -i15:43
konttoriroope: can you open the log file?15:44
konttoriApplication manager menu / tools/Log15:45
konttoriMaybe it tells something that makes sense15:45
unique311some serious hardware mod..and this could be a beautiful thing..15:45
konttoriroope: have you been able to install previous versions?15:47
roopeyes, 1.0 at least was ok.15:47
roopelet's check the log.15:47
roopethat's weird. nothing comes to log.15:48
konttoriOdd? Really nothing?15:49
roopeyeah. "operation failed" immediately.15:49
unique3114 in 115:49
roopeperhaps this needs a reboot, like windows. ;)15:49
konttoriDoes it even start with the lien: osso-application-installer 4.46 UI version 2?15:49
roopeyes. but nothing more.15:49
unique311means i can use all  the different cards i have laying around.15:49
konttoriYeah, might be that the system is jammed.15:49
konttoriHmm... next line should be /usr/bin/dpkg-deb -f '/media/mmc1/UKMP1.3.deb'15:50
unique311qwak do you own one of thos15:50
konttorior something quite similar15:50
`0660does anyone have any guess of the new firmware release date? :)15:51
konttorihey roope: try out the uktube version when you have rebooted:
roopewhat's the difference.15:54
konttoriIt has the wickedly cool uktube bundled in.15:55
roopewhat is uktube?15:55
konttoriOTOH, it needs mplayer to play the videos.15:55
konttoriIt plays youtube videos in full fps in fullscreen15:55
konttorihave a look at this clip:
konttorithat is from the initial version. the current one is 0.3 and is already much better.15:56
pupnikkonttori: that will work in IT2007 on 770?15:56
konttoriand it2006 as well15:56
roopeit's a big-ass table.15:56
konttoriroope: You can install mplayer from
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janithat uktube video reminds of one question that i was thinking few weeks ago..15:59
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janidoes google provide api for youtube?15:59
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PierreTramois the sourcecode of flasher available?16:00
konttorijani: as in, being able to access google videos from youtube?16:00
PierreTramoi guess it's not :)16:00
konttorioh, you mean like for rss feeds?16:00
konttoriYeah, they have api16:01
robtaylorkonttori: what's that video you're watching in the clip?16:01
konttoriit's a windows table parody16:01
konttoriroope: did the reboot help at all?16:02
konttorirobtaylor: this one
konttorijani: did you  have thoughts about making some youtube app?16:04
janithe idea i was thinking that it would be somewhat good idea to make a similar application  to joost that uses youtube as video storage ..16:04
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konttorijani: you mean like that it's playing youtube clips continuously?16:05
konttoriSounds like a nice idea?16:05
pupniki prefer to click to start16:06
janiyes, something like that.. .first one would pick  a topic or a keyword and then it would stream the stuff ..16:06
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roopekonttori: no, still the same error. :/16:07
roopeperhaps my application manager turned into the aplication mangler.16:08
konttoriAre you able to install other programs?16:08
konttoriTry installing mplayer if you don't already have it16:08
robtaylorkonttori: thanks. thats a big-ass table...16:08
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janikonttori: app would use some caching/background downloading so possible caps in playback would be minimal ..16:09
roopeWhy not do this with a device the size of a small car?16:09
roopekonttori: yeah, for instance mplayer is installing smoothly.16:09
unique311was wine ever discussed for the n800/770?16:10
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pupniktry windows on an 8mhz IBM AT first16:10
konttoriroope: and you tried the uktube version. Hmm... could you try uninstalling ukmp 1.0 first?16:10
konttoriunique311: can't be done, as n800 doesn't have intel processor16:10
roopeI have uninstalled 1.0 already....16:11
pupnikit's theoretically possible, with an x86 core running the executeables, then wine handling the API16:11
pupnikemu core16:12
gla55isn't there dosbox port?16:12
konttoriroope: and still nothing in the log?16:13
bstockanyone have a good list of repo's for os2007 on n770?16:13
pupnik0.70 runs too, but has problems16:14
unique311everything compiles expect for winlib...16:14
guardianwhat's the best approach to draw antialised lines in a gtk application ? do it by myself or is there anything i can use ?16:14
roopestill nothing. perhaps my device is just borked.16:14
konttoriI'll try with my vanilla 770.16:15
bstockcan i use any n800 apps on an n770 w/ 2007 hacker os?16:17
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pupnikbstock: not with the latest 2007 hacker os i tried16:17
pupnikunique what's the slowest windows machine you've used?  now imagine it 100 times slower.16:18
janiseems the youtube api is pretty simple.16:18
bstockhmm so the packages i use need to be what, regular 770 packages?16:18
pupnikbstock, many work, but some demand features only found on the 80016:19
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konttoricool. garage doesn't work on 77016:20
konttori770 tells me: unable to complete secure transaction.16:20
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pupnikafkQemu has two operating modes: User mode emulation. In this mode, QEMU can launch processes compiled for one CPU on another CPU. It can be used to launch the Wine Windows API emulator16:20
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konttoriferenc: I'm unable to access from 77016:21
unique311pupnik the slowest cpu use, hmmmmm.   amd athlon xp 3400+16:23
unique311pretty new to this whole computer world..actually i think the notebook i'm using now beats the my desktop16:24
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unique311pentium M 2.0 ghz16:25
roopeFor those interested in touch screen text input, there's some interesting stuff to read. As well as the design process we had.16:27
roopePerhaps also i should spam the ubuntu mobile people...16:28
derfI never actually use the built-in input method, anyway.16:28
konttoriroope: I just tested installing the ukmp on my 770 and it installed without a problem.16:28
konttoridid you try installing from the web or from a file?16:28
roopefrom the web.16:29
konttoriMaybe you need to save the deb first and then install from the deb.16:29
roopelet's try that.16:29
konttorijust a though.16:29
roopeoh. yeah. that works. well, that sucks.16:29
roope(not that it works, but rather that the browser one didn't work. :)16:30
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konttoriHmm... so odd. I'll have to do some tests.16:39
roopeanyway, the app now starts fine. i'll download some mp3's and test it out some more.16:42
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konttoriroope: Have a test on the uktube as well. it's splendid!16:44
konttoriWell, the tool. It's more like a tool than an app at the moment.16:44
roopelet's see. idea of copy-paste sounds a bit clumsy. :) we'll see.16:44
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konttoriroope: yeah. Would love to make some better way. But as said, it's a proof of concept at the moment.16:45
roopelike a thing that ... you should check out ... you know the iphone youtube.16:45
roopewell that was a clear thought. :D but there's this mobile interface to youtube. that's like pushing and promoting featured videos.16:46
roopeIt would be really cool if the app would directly read from that API.16:46
konttoriroope: I'm kind of planning that, but... ;) It takes some time to make that kind of an app.16:47
konttoriI was thinking about making it use ukmp interface.16:48
roopethat would be cool. the thumbnails like your album arts.16:48
konttoriyeah. Icons are the best way to access stuff using your finger.16:49
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roopethe individual song titles could also be finger sized. they're a bit small right now.16:51
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roopeyou could fit like a 6x2 grid of song titles at once inside an album.16:52
konttoriBut, hover over the songs with your finger -> it won't play unless you click  -> Helps to position your finger.16:52
konttoriHard to make 6x2 grid. Song names would need to be put to two lines.16:53
konttorithat is if I would make the font bigger.16:53
JaffaGood UIs are rarely easy, IME ;-)16:53
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konttorianyway, I'll keep the two column model in mind in case I have the time to work on it some time.16:54
Jaffaroope: your thesis is protected by a username/psasword combo16:54
roopei'll sketch it just to check if it's crap.16:54
gla55Jaffa: depends on how complex things the ui needs to achieve..16:54
roopejaffa: wow. oh.16:54
roopehave to fix that immediately.16:55
JaffaYeah, it's on planet already ;)16:55
Jaffagla55: I dunno, a good looking, easy-to-use UI may need more design time than implmentation (e.g. drawing/coding)) time, but it's still not easy. Having said that, started off easy enough, I imagine.16:55
roopejaffa: nobody said it would be easy. :)16:56
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konttoriinteresting. fps controller for ps3:
roopejaffa: now the document works, thanks!17:03
Jaffaroope: cool, thanks17:04
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Jaffaroope: yeah, you need to lose the "s" off https://17:04
roopethanks again. :)17:05
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roopeuktube works. :)17:42
dragornreading the UI design scrollback, a good decision might be to follow the NDS game UI style, where you usually hit a button once to highlight it, and hit it a second time to activate it if the game is touchscreen-driven17:46
dragornmight be easy to make a double-hit with highlight button class for hildon17:47
dragornwell, it WOULD be easy.  Might be worth-while.17:47
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roopewell, list items work like that already. for buttons the usual expectation is that first press activates.18:17
roopelotus notes has those two-press to activate -buttons, and those are universally criticized.18:18
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dragornroope: I don't advocate it for usual apps, but for tablets and especially finger-driven tablet apps, it might make sense is all I'm saying.  Works well for the DS.18:18
ttuttleHey, is it true that multimedia (at least sound) is broken on hacker edition 2007 for the N770?18:18
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ericzhey ttuttle :)18:21
ttuttleericz: Hey.  Yours ship yet?  (Mine didn't.)18:21
ericznah, i don't think so, it emails you right? and says in Your Account?18:21
ttuttleericz: Yeah, or so I hear.18:22
dragornfrom woot?18:22
ericzdragorn, yeah18:23 has them for $140 today, too18:23
dragornfor anyone who missed woot yesterday18:23
ttuttledragorn: Are you the Kismet dragorn?18:23
ttuttledragorn: Cool.  What's up?18:23
ericzhaha, i was hoping on a bluetooth keyboard as today's woot18:23
ttuttledragorn: (How's newcore coming along?)18:23
ttuttleericz: Yeah, you wish.18:23
dragornnot much.  waiting for builds on stuff to complete.18:23
ttuttledragorn: Need CPU?18:23
dragornttuttle: Surprisingly close to being done, needs more gui elements and thats about it18:23
dragornand then I need to get mouse working in ncurses18:24
ttuttledragorn: Cool.  I'm really excited.18:24
dragornnope, this is work stuff anyhow I'm waiting on.18:24
* dragorn has plenty of cpu, unfortunately also plenty of stuff to compile18:24
ttuttledragorn: Ah, /me knows what that's like.  Plone takes almost a minute to restart ;-)18:24
ttuttledragorn: distcc over the Internet would probably be pretty slow.  (And untrusted.)18:24
dragorni've got a quad 2ghz amd64.  it's fine. :P18:25
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ttuttledragorn: /me grumbles.  I've got a dual 2ghz core2duo.  It's not bad.  :-)18:25
ttuttledragorn: So does Kismet run well on the N770?18:26
dragornnot incredibly, the drivers are weird18:27
dragornthe 770 works better than the 800, at least w/ the released firmwares, though18:27
ttuttledragorn: Oh.  Do they need debugging, or is there no hope?  (I wouldn't mind debugging if I can help.)18:27
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dragornttuttle: Not much to debug, they're binary blobs18:27
ttuttledragorn: /me smiles.  770++.18:27
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ttuttledragorn: Ewww.  What card?18:27
dragornttuttle: Wrapped in a small OSS shell to translate to kernel skb buffers18:27
ttuttledragorn: That sucks.18:27
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dragornttuttle: Interesting dodge to avoid using kernel headers in the binary blob18:28
ttuttledragorn: Someone should ban binary blogs.18:28
ttuttledragorn: They suck.18:28
ttuttledragorn: So what kind of card is it?  Nokia proprietary?18:28
dragornttuttle: It's a conexant, somehow related to a prism54 softmac.  someone did something to get the p54 softmac driving the card on a 770, but it was a long time ago, theres been no dev since, and it seems like the p54 softmac stuff is in an usuable state of flux at the moment18:28
ttuttledragorn: Ah.  That's too bad.  softmac is cool.  Maybe once d80211/mac80211 settles down someone can port it.18:29
ttuttledragorn: What kind of problems does it have?18:29
dragornWe'll see, I don't know how well generic kernels work on the 77018:29
dragornif there are other magic bits besides the wireless18:29
ttuttledragorn: They *do* offer patches, right?  Right?18:30
dragornWell, sometimes it won't go into monitor mode.  Sometimes it won't come out.  Sometimes it thinks it came out, but doesn't work.18:30
ttuttledragorn: It's illegal not to, I think.18:30
ttuttledragorn: Does repeating the operation help? ;-)18:30
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ttuttledragorn: Oh, is anyone maintaining gpsmap?  I've thought about making a "1000-in-1" Linux mapping/data application, but I don't know enough about it.18:31
ericzbah, online shopping is not cool.. i'm just too impatient18:31
ttuttleericz: Have patience. =D18:32
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ericzi hope i get it this week at least18:32
ttuttleericz: I think you probably will.  But don't quote me.  It's probably just my own false hope talking.18:33
ericzhrm.. i wonder what my WPA key is.. i'll have to look into that18:33
ericzi'm going to need that18:33
ericzdamn my security practice.. it's going to take forever to type that with an onscreen keyboard18:34
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dragornnot always.  the 800 is even more flaky, usually with the firmware version of the drivers it locks up randomly about 5 minutes in18:35
dragorntheres an updated set of the OSS modules which works better, but would require me to go swapping modules on users and chrooting things to initialize the device again, and that doesn't make me too comfortable.  I don't like doing things that require users reboot their devices every time if something goes funny18:36
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ericzttuttle, what do you think a round-trip flight to dallas costs?18:48
ericzhaha, security would go through everything i owned followed by cavity search because the return flight would only need to be like a few hours after arrival18:50
dragorndunno, i've done NY to SF and back w/ a 6 hour stay in cali and didn't get groped18:52
ericzthat's a long flight for only 6 hours18:54
dragornabout 6 hours each way infact :P18:54
ericzi've done VA to seattle quite a few times18:54
ericzbut i stayed a couple weeks18:54
ericzVA to ireland had to be the worst18:55
dragornttuttle: newcore has been taking a back seat the last few weeks to getting the new wispy hardware running18:57
ttuttledragorn: Ah.  Maybe I need to get a WiSpy then.18:58
dragornttuttle: ...  once I work around the lack of gtk-cairo integration on the maemo stuff it ought to work on the 770/800 too18:59
dragornthough I haven't tested the speed it renders on them18:59
ttuttledragorn: Er, but the N770 doesn't allow you to use USB without an awkward power injector.19:00
dragornoh well19:00
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ttuttledragorn: What's the difference between the Topo and Planar?19:00
dragornStill worth having.  Also, network support.19:00
ttuttledragorn: Is Topo over time?19:00
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dragornplanar is realtime, topo is colored by the # of signal peaks over time19:00
ttuttledragorn: Ah.19:01
dragornwhen you have overlapping networks you can see them *really* well in topo19:01
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montesluanyone here doing python development for the 770 or 800 ?20:24
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MoRpHeUzmonteslu: a lot of people  I guess =)20:26
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kulveMoRpHeUz: btw. gmyth.pc has incorrect -I in Cflags. Or the gms uses wrong #includes20:32
MoRpHeUzkulve: hhmm...I'll take a look at that....but gms is written in doesnt have #includes hehe...are you talking about gmyth itself ?20:34
montesluI'm thinking of writing an app that will control my kid's lego mindstorms NXT through bluetooh using NXT_Python:
monteslushould I just bundle it for a repo as NXT_Python, plus my app?20:36
monteslumy own app will probably be less than 2K20:37
montesluand NXT_Python is pretty small itself20:37
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dragorni'd say 2 packages is better20:37
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dragornbecause if others develop w/ nxt python it's nice to have it available vanilla20:38
dragornmy $0.02 anyhow20:38
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montesluhmm.. what if i don't change the libs at all, just add my and a menu entry for it?20:38
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unique311To hildon or not to hildon, that is the question.22:13
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khertanHi !22:46
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khertanSomeone know a good small gtk imap client that enable to read imap mail offline ?22:52
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derfkhertan: I wish.22:58
derfIf you find one, let me know. Hildon's mail reader is completely useless.22:59
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mk8Hi to all ....22:59
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pupnikafki wish nokia were more aggressive with this platform23:09
gla55not time for it yet23:09
pupnikafkintel is now doing advertising for them.  they have a good set of software (with holes)23:09
pupnikafkwe are bleeding edge23:10
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pupnikhey gla55, do you want to port a really cool emu to nokia?! :)D23:10
gla55i'm just a 770 user,   the dev i do is symbian and j2me23:11
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khertani ve just finish to install gcc-3.4 on my n800 for onboard dev ...23:18
khertancan i install the sdk on the device ?23:19
pupnikwhy do you want to do that23:19
khertanbecause i want to dev onboard :)23:20
khertani want to be able to dev while i'm in public transport23:20
khertanand i ve not many time at home to dev ...23:20
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khertan(i m in a train 2,5 hours by days)23:21
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khertanthe header for hildon (hildon-widgets/hildon-program.h)23:21
kakosIs there a good file manager for the N800?23:23
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khertanarg ... it s take many Mo the dev headers ...23:32
khertani m installing the hildon-libs-dev23:35
khertandirectly on the device23:35
janicompiling you mean  ? =)23:36
khertanyes compiling onboard :)23:37
khertanYAAAAPIKAHAY !23:43
khertani ve successfully compiling onboard (on my n800) a c application that use the hildon framework ...23:44
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tkokhertan: with just a single battery? amazing :-P23:53
khertanlol :)23:55
khertanonly 30s for a dummy 300 lines applications23:55
kakosI'm so glad that metalayer-crawl is smart enough to ignore symlinks.  </sarcasm>23:57
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