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Veggen | ah. a gmyth howto. | 00:09 |
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Veggen | anyone using gmyth= | 00:09 |
Veggen | ? | 00:09 |
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renatofilho_ | Veggen: Hi, I working with gmyth | 00:12 |
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Veggen | does it work? makes it easy to access mythtv-recordings, etc? | 00:14 |
renatofilho_ | Veggen: Yes this is the target of gmyth lib | 00:15 |
Veggen | right now, I used a n770-encode.pl (or whatever it was called), made a user job out of it, that just puts a transcoded version in a web-accessible directory. | 00:15 |
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Veggen | renato: no debian packages yet? :) | 00:17 |
renatofilho_ | Veggen: you can download gmencoder from here:https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/gmyth/trunk/gmyth-stream , for get your videos and transcode, and get this gst element (https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/gmyth/trunk/gst-gmyth) to transcode from you tv card | 00:19 |
renatofilho_ | Veggen: not yet | 00:19 |
Veggen | Hmm. Nothing to install on the nokia, everything at the mythbox? | 00:20 |
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renatofilho_ | Veggen: you can use this player (http://barbieri-playground.googlecode.com/svn/maemo/catota/) or mplayer with gms for play your files on n800 | 00:24 |
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konttori | melmoth: you around? | 00:26 |
konttori | did you remember to call: pygame.init()? | 00:27 |
konttori | well, of course you did if it works on your pc. silly me. bygones | 00:27 |
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pupnik | ericz: get a thinkoutside stowaway (or the nokia) bluetooth keyboard | 00:33 |
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ericz | pupnik, thanks, ill look into them | 00:34 |
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monteslu | wow, woot's price is a quarter of what I paid :( | 00:52 |
pupnik | it's depressing | 00:52 |
monteslu | yup | 00:52 |
monteslu | but at least we get an influx of users | 00:52 |
ericz | ha, that's why i'm here! | 00:53 |
pupnik | i am hoping one of the DrPocketSNES guys can pick one up | 00:53 |
monteslu | I preorder one at launch, love the thing | 00:53 |
monteslu | actually put it away for almost a year, but dug it out recently. The repos are awesome these days. Tons of apps | 00:53 |
pupnik | i have a bunch of works in progress at http://pupnik.de | 00:54 |
pupnik | for e.g. http://pupnik.de/dosbox_maemo_065_001.tgz | 00:55 |
monteslu | I did a port of gnuboy, but never got the screen to tilt 90degrees | 00:55 |
pupnik | nice | 00:56 |
monteslu | the buttons are kinda setup so that you need to rotate the screen | 00:56 |
ericz | is it a big deal to get sshd running? | 00:56 |
monteslu | nope, just install the dropbear server | 00:56 |
pupnik | would you be interested in working on DrPocketSNES? They claim full speed with sound on a 250mhz GP2x | 00:56 |
monteslu | its in the repos | 00:56 |
ericz | i don't have to flash anything or void my warranty, heh | 00:56 |
monteslu | ericz, nope | 00:56 |
ericz | awesome. | 00:57 |
monteslu | pupnik, I'll take a look. been a while since I did any porting. Nokia kinda pissed me off be releasing the N800 so soon | 00:57 |
ericz | how about ssh'ing to other machines? | 00:57 |
monteslu | the dropbear client is in the same repo | 00:57 |
ericz | k, cool | 00:57 |
monteslu | you can even tunnel with it | 00:57 |
monteslu | I was on vacation this weekend, and was using the maemomapper with a bluetooth gps. My hotel had wireless, but not httpS, but i was able to ssh to my house and tunnel a vnc connection to my server | 00:58 |
pupnik | sweet | 00:59 |
monteslu | BTW, mission valley resort in San Diego is kinda overpriced, and the wireless connection doesn't reach far from the lobby :) | 00:59 |
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ericz | there's snes9x for n770?! | 01:05 |
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pupnik | yeah i just cross compiled it | 01:06 |
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pupnik | played a bit of chrono last week, but it's slow and no sound | 01:06 |
pupnik | which is why DrPocketSNES is so crucial - it's much much faster | 01:07 |
ericz | ah | 01:07 |
ericz | what about zsnes? | 01:07 |
ericz | still slow? | 01:07 |
pupnik | zsnes needs x86 cpu | 01:07 |
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ericz | oh | 01:07 |
pupnik | or it did, last time i checked | 01:07 |
monteslu | I'd be happy with an emulator for the original NES | 01:07 |
monteslu | can't get enough metroid and smb3 | 01:07 |
pupnik | Tak made FCEU | 01:07 |
pupnik | so you can play NES games | 01:07 |
monteslu | screen rotated? | 01:08 |
pupnik | with choppy sound - but it works | 01:08 |
pupnik | why rotated? | 01:08 |
monteslu | because the buttons on the left | 01:08 |
pupnik | FCEU has onscreen buttons on the right | 01:08 |
pupnik | so you have dpad on the left and A/B buttons on the right side of the screen | 01:08 |
monteslu | interesting | 01:08 |
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monteslu | can you use b & a at the same time | 01:08 |
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monteslu | (for running jumps in SMB) | 01:09 |
pupnik | Afaik no, but he could add a third button that would combine them | 01:09 |
pupnik | That's what i am doing for Ur-Quan Masters (Star Control 2) | 01:09 |
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pupnik | Ah but the running jump wouldn't work | 01:10 |
monteslu | yeah, you hold b to run then tap a | 01:10 |
pupnik | Unfortunately the 770/800 buttons only accept one button simultaneously | 01:10 |
monteslu | whiel still hold b | 01:10 |
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pupnik | ok that's out. Given the poor dpad design, action games are pretty much out, imo | 01:10 |
pupnik | unless you're playing with keyboard | 01:10 |
monteslu | or rotating the screen :) | 01:11 |
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pupnik | still can't do direction and keypress simultaneously | 01:11 |
pupnik | the 770/800 can only accept one button press at a time | 01:12 |
monteslu | gotcha | 01:12 |
monteslu | but it can through a bluetooth thumboard? | 01:13 |
pupnik | Yeah BT can | 01:13 |
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monteslu | can tak's fceu be configured to use different buttons? | 01:13 |
pupnik | I was dreaming of manufacturing a larger aluminum cover, with buttons and d-pad on the sides, that connected via bluetooth | 01:14 |
monteslu | nice | 01:14 |
pupnik | um i think so | 01:14 |
monteslu | add a built-in rechargeable battery that loops out to power up the 770 | 01:15 |
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pupnik | Yeah, you could also do a homemade version. | 01:16 |
monteslu | and has a slide out thumboard :) | 01:16 |
pupnik | Just buy one of those bluetooth controllers, take it apart. Buy a spare aluminum cover, then cast or carve out a shell that attaches to the spare aluminum cover. | 01:16 |
pupnik | If you wanted to make a really thick one, you'd have space for a usb hard drive and extra Li-ion battery | 01:18 |
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pupnik | Pretty disappointing that the N800 doesn't have the sliding cover, imo | 01:18 |
* monteslu is really considering buying a second one as a permanent fixture for the vehicle | 01:19 | |
monteslu | maemo mapper with a bluetooth GPS is a good enough nav system for me | 01:20 |
pupnik | the map data is free or commercial? | 01:20 |
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monteslu | there is free stuff, but the commercial stuff is better | 01:21 |
monteslu | internettablettalk has some links to sites you can use, and you can tell maemomapper that you want to cache map images on you card | 01:23 |
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pupnik | I don't travel. It's too expensive | 01:27 |
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samiam010203 | hello all | 02:58 |
samiam010203 | anyone active right now ? | 02:58 |
monteslu | sup dude | 02:58 |
samiam010203 | im trying to install mh-shot-tool but its complaining about missing dependacies so im woundering what repos i need to at to myu sources.list | 02:58 |
samiam010203 | anyone know what repos i should add | 03:00 |
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konttori | I hate it when that happens. | 03:01 |
samiam010203 | yes it sucks :( | 03:02 |
konttori | people should always include all dependencies in their repos | 03:02 |
samiam010203 | thats what i think too | 03:02 |
konttori | take your pick from here: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationrepositories/ | 03:02 |
konttori | I would suspect http://repository.maemo.org/ | 03:02 |
samiam010203 | thanks for the link | 03:02 |
konttori | bora | 03:02 |
konttori | free non-free extras | 03:03 |
konttori | that might be the case. | 03:03 |
samiam010203 | cool | 03:03 |
samiam010203 | ill look into it now | 03:03 |
samiam010203 | brb | 03:03 |
konttori | Up.s the address was: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ | 03:03 |
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samiam010203 | i need hildon-fm1, hildon-libs0, and libosso1 packages | 03:13 |
samiam010203 | i cant seem to find them | 03:14 |
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samiam010203 | thanks guys/gals , i succesfully got it installed :) | 03:25 |
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trevarthan | I just got a thinkoutside/igo kb. | 04:12 |
trevarthan | The FN key doesnt work and the SHIFT key doesnt work. how do I fix that? | 04:13 |
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kakos | Is there a word processor for the N800? | 05:43 |
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Brenduh | I figure ya'll bought rs mmc cards. I was wondering if you know where the cheapest place is to buy them. | 05:57 |
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outtolunc | i seen 1gb ones for like $19ish earlier.... http://www.flash-memory-store.com/1gb-multimedia.html | 06:05 |
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outtolunc | anyone know what the proper svn url/branch is for the maemo 2.2 (770 stuff) | 06:07 |
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outtolunc | thanks | 08:08 |
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unique311 | hello all | 08:14 |
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unique311 | https://garage.maemo.org/ | 08:15 |
unique311 | pupnik POSE most active this week. WOW | 08:15 |
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unique311 | can't seem to get mh-shot-tool to authenticate when it comes time to upload to flickr. | 08:17 |
unique311 | anyone having this issue? | 08:17 |
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mk8 | Hi to all ..... | 10:47 |
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Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:35 |
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pupnik_ | unique311: pretty funny re: pose active. I just updated the progress status on some of the TODO list. | 11:37 |
pupnik_ | guten morgen! | 11:37 |
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unique311 | doing alot of research on this thing... | 11:44 |
unique311 | if i can find the older sources codes.....3.0 3.1 and 3.2 could make some more magice happen | 11:45 |
unique311 | i found 3.0 on Koders.com, but like i stated on my ITT post. have to DL every single file individually. | 11:46 |
unique311 | make some magic happen pupnik. | 11:46 |
unique311 | also. i just uploaded a new project....quicksynergy...GUI for synergy....works nicely... | 11:47 |
unique311 | its in the garage | 11:47 |
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pupnik_ | what magic needed unique311 ? | 11:51 |
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unique311 | the keyboard you spoke of on ITT | 11:52 |
unique311 | skin version of it. | 11:52 |
unique311 | figure if i compile psoe 3.0 and am able to use the handpsring treo 90 rom. | 11:52 |
pupnik | oh. do you like the idea of putting the keys on either side of the display? or do you think that would suck too much? | 11:52 |
unique311 | all i have to do is modify the skin... | 11:52 |
unique311 | it would be coold.. | 11:53 |
unique311 | cool | 11:53 |
pupnik | yeah i'd figure that | 11:53 |
unique311 | but you have to understand the roms being used now m130 and m505 don't support keyboard in the rom.. | 11:53 |
unique311 | treo 90 does | 11:53 |
pupnik | i'm wondering if maybe we could make a skin with keys that would work with roms for any PALM? | 11:53 |
unique311 | no | 11:53 |
pupnik | :( | 11:54 |
unique311 | reason being everything is in the rom.. | 11:54 |
unique311 | if you can extract the rom and hack the hell out of it..then maybe.. | 11:54 |
pupnik | but you can type in any rom with bluetooth keyboard, i think | 11:55 |
pupnik | so i'm wondering if pose on-screen keys go through the x keyboard input | 11:55 |
unique311 | you can, you can also use synergy to to type. | 11:55 |
pupnik | i suppose i'd need to look at the source | 11:56 |
unique311 | you can probably modify the source for the 3.5 emu and get it to support the treo90 | 11:56 |
unique311 | but i think thats going to be alot of work. | 11:56 |
pupnik | did you have any luck getting the .deb to work? | 11:56 |
unique311 | yeah | 11:57 |
unique311 | not sure if its the user/extras that fixed it. | 11:57 |
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unique311 | or removing the com.nokia.pose.service file. | 11:57 |
pupnik | ok good deal. so i can youse your debian package config if i need to compile POSE for myself | 11:57 |
pupnik | s/youse/use | 11:57 |
unique311 | yes | 11:58 |
unique311 | you want the source code i modified? | 11:58 |
pupnik | yeah that would be good. | 11:59 |
unique311 | k going to upload now.. | 11:59 |
unique311 | it will include fltk and pose. | 11:59 |
unique311 | both are source files from debian | 12:00 |
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unique311 | might just write the admin at koders and see if he can just send me the source folder for 3.0 | 12:02 |
unique311 | http://www.divshare.com/download/1079353-e8a | 12:02 |
unique311 | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^pupnik^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | 12:03 |
unique311 | pupnik when you have a chance check this link out...on how to have the keyboard pop up.... | 12:04 |
unique311 | https://garage.maemo.org/snippet/browse.php?by=lang&lang=2 | 12:04 |
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pupnik | thanks | 12:10 |
pupnik | file is passwd protected? | 12:10 |
unique311 | huh | 12:11 |
unique311 | oh | 12:11 |
pupnik | i can't download it from divshare | 12:11 |
unique311 | lol | 12:11 |
unique311 | its pose | 12:11 |
unique311 | i think | 12:11 |
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pupnik | ok that worked | 12:11 |
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pupnik | oh that snippets page is great | 12:12 |
pupnik | i had forgotten about it | 12:12 |
unique311 | what about if you modify fltk source to pop up the hildon keyboard.. | 12:13 |
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unique311 | i don't think you have to modify the pose source | 12:13 |
lardman | I see someone's removed the DSP info bit from the wish list. Any ideas whether this was on purpose (i.e. is it just a prompt for me to add some additional information in a wiki page for it)? | 12:13 |
unique311 | pose already has a keyboard.. | 12:13 |
unique311 | whenever a keyboard is needed, its from the right click menu, and thats fltk isn't? | 12:14 |
pupnik | i don't know | 12:14 |
pupnik | watchu talkin' bout lardman? | 12:15 |
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sbaturzio | Aloha! | 12:17 |
pupnik | And why should Caesar be a tyrant then? // Poor man! I know he would not be a wolf, // But that he sees the Romans are but sheep: | 12:17 |
pupnik | - Shakespeare, 'Julius Ceasar' | 12:17 |
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lardman | pupnik: On the roadmap page there used to be an entry in the wishlist saying that we'd like some 'hello world' style source code for the DSP | 12:24 |
lardman | But after re-reading the pade, I suppose I need to "Propose a new feature", which is fair enough | 12:24 |
lardman | s/pade/page | 12:24 |
unique311 | pupnik here it is..it can be done... | 12:25 |
unique311 | http://seriss.com/people/erco/fltk/ | 12:25 |
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unique311 | check out this link http://seriss.com/people/erco/fltk/#TouchScreenNumPad | 12:25 |
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unique311 | shows how to make a pop-up numeric pad for fltk | 12:26 |
unique311 | the only reason for needed a pop up keyboard would be to write when you have to save open, etc. | 12:27 |
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AD-N770 | good morning | 12:29 |
pupnik | k i havta go buy more ramen | 12:29 |
kulve | MoRpHeUz: should that gmyth-ls work? | 12:29 |
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MoRpHeUz | kulve: yeah | 13:05 |
MoRpHeUz | gmyth-ls -h IP -p 6543 -u mythtv -w mythtv | 13:05 |
MoRpHeUz | (if database's passwd and user are mythtv) | 13:05 |
kulve | ** (gmyth-ls:30366): WARNING **: Could not connect to backend db | 13:06 |
kulve | it doesn't even send anything over tcp | 13:06 |
kulve | I have compiled it in a different prefix but I think gst and gnomevfs finds the new modules because of the env variables I've set | 13:07 |
MoRpHeUz | kulve: hhmm | 13:07 |
MoRpHeUz | kulve: try: | 13:07 |
MoRpHeUz | strace gmyth-ls .... | 13:07 |
MoRpHeUz | and see what strace shows you at the end... | 13:08 |
MoRpHeUz | kulve: maybe I know what is wrong =) | 13:08 |
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kulve | how end..? | 13:08 |
kulve | connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(3306), sin_addr=inet_addr("192.168.3.11")}, 16) = -1 EINPROGRESS (Operation now in progress) | 13:08 |
MoRpHeUz | stops at that ? | 13:09 |
kulve | read(3, "K\0\0\2\377\25\4#28000Access denied for u"..., 16384) = 79 | 13:09 |
MoRpHeUz | hhmm =) | 13:09 |
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MoRpHeUz | try: | 13:09 |
MoRpHeUz | mysql -h IP -umythtv -pmythtv | 13:09 |
kulve | Argument invalid. Type --help | 13:09 |
MoRpHeUz | ?? | 13:10 |
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MoRpHeUz | mysql -h 192.168.3.11 -u mythtv -pmythtv (try this) | 13:11 |
kulve | oh, mysql.. | 13:12 |
MoRpHeUz | =) | 13:13 |
kulve | don't have that.. | 13:13 |
MoRpHeUz | ok....I think I know what is your problem... | 13:14 |
MoRpHeUz | try downloading (and installing) this: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/gmyth/libmysqlclient15_5.0.27_i386.deb?modtime=1179168457&big_mirror=0 | 13:14 |
kulve | I do have libmysqlclient15-dev.. | 13:15 |
kulve | what's that on your link+ | 13:15 |
kulve | ? | 13:15 |
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MoRpHeUz | it's not the dev one | 13:15 |
MoRpHeUz | kulve: it's the package itself | 13:16 |
MoRpHeUz | (there are this one and the dev one) | 13:16 |
kulve | ii libmysqlclient15off 5.0.32-7etch1 mysql database client library | 13:16 |
kulve | I did have that one | 13:16 |
kulve | now I do have the mysql -command line client too.. | 13:17 |
kulve | hmm.. | 13:18 |
kulve | I think I've just listened the wrong port with my tcpdump.. | 13:18 |
MoRpHeUz | hhmm hehe | 13:19 |
kulve | what's the --port for..? | 13:19 |
MoRpHeUz | kulve: try also gmyth-cat...it should work as well... | 13:20 |
MoRpHeUz | mythbacken's port | 13:20 |
kulve | doesn't work with out it, but doesn't matter what I put to it (the port) | 13:20 |
MoRpHeUz | gmyth-cat -h IP -p 6543 -u mythtv -c CHANNEL_NUMBER > file.mpg | 13:20 |
MoRpHeUz | kulve: maybe the guy that coded gmyth-ls made a mistake with this parameter...I can check it latter...(I have always used with the port) | 13:21 |
kulve | "-p 1" works just fine ;) | 13:21 |
kulve | "invalid argument" if I skip the parameter | 13:21 |
MoRpHeUz | kulve: ok..I'll correct that as soon as I finish the bug I'm working on! thanks... | 13:22 |
kulve | hmm.. the cat doesn't accept -w and -u ? (at least not according to the --help) | 13:23 |
MoRpHeUz | kulve: no...it just needs the user name | 13:24 |
MoRpHeUz | ( -u ) | 13:24 |
MoRpHeUz | ow | 13:24 |
MoRpHeUz | my fault | 13:24 |
MoRpHeUz | it doesnt need even the username hehe | 13:24 |
MoRpHeUz | (according to --help) | 13:25 |
kulve | -f should give a file that's recorded earlier? and -c would start recording? | 13:25 |
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MoRpHeUz | kulve: nops... | 13:26 |
MoRpHeUz | -c would start live tv | 13:26 |
MoRpHeUz | (then you redirect it's output ">" to a file or even pipe to a player) | 13:27 |
MoRpHeUz | kulve: btw, just tested and gmyth-ls needs backend's port, otherwise it doesnt work | 13:27 |
kulve | ./bin/gmyth-cat -h 192.168.3.11 -p 6543 -c 65 > /tmp/foo.mpg | 13:28 |
kulve | (gmyth-cat:32446): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_io_channel_write_chars: assertion `channel != NULL' failed | 13:28 |
kulve | (gmyth-cat:32446): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_io_channel_flush: assertion `channel != NULL' failed | 13:28 |
kulve | Segmentation fault | 13:28 |
kulve | hmm.. "-f filename" started to print lot's of numbers.. | 13:28 |
MoRpHeUz | kulve: if the numbers were increasing it was right | 13:29 |
kulve | they do | 13:29 |
MoRpHeUz | ok...try to play /tmp/foo.mpg with mplayer for instance... | 13:29 |
MoRpHeUz | (need to CTRL+C to stop) | 13:29 |
kulve | 499968000 | 13:29 |
kulve | I'm not able to use any graphical stuff now. I test that from home | 13:30 |
MoRpHeUz | (dont worry because once we assure all of them are working, gmyth-streamer will do all of these steps automatically for you) | 13:30 |
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kulve | it seems that it's mostly working now.. | 13:30 |
kulve | at least those two things | 13:30 |
MoRpHeUz | just try then: du -sh /tmp/foo.mpg and see if the file has some "size" | 13:30 |
MoRpHeUz | kulve: so gmyth-ls worked ? | 13:30 |
kulve | 478M /tmp/foo.mpg | 13:30 |
kulve | yeah, the ls gives all my channels | 13:30 |
zuh | kulve: You can just run mplayer foo.mpeg and see if the numbers run like they are supposed to... | 13:31 |
kulve | zuh: excellent :) | 13:31 |
kulve | (and they are) | 13:31 |
MoRpHeUz | kulve: great! it seems to work =) | 13:31 |
MoRpHeUz | now you just have to start gmyth-streamer and you should have remote stream with live transcoding =) | 13:32 |
kulve | it's still a bit unclear to me how to use the mplayer on the device.. | 13:32 |
MoRpHeUz | (if you have port 40000 opened on your firewall, you can even try that from wherever you are) | 13:32 |
zuh | kulve: next time, put the N800 in front of a mirror with the camera out and stream the feed ;) | 13:33 |
MoRpHeUz | haha | 13:33 |
MoRpHeUz | =) | 13:33 |
MoRpHeUz | kulve: gmyth-streamer will stream the video over http, and you will use mplayer to "play an url"... ;-) | 13:33 |
MoRpHeUz | kulve: this is why I said that you should not worry as gmyth-streamer would do all this stuff for you =) | 13:34 |
kulve | MoRpHeUz: can I choose the codecs it uses? | 13:34 |
MoRpHeUz | kulve: yeah... | 13:34 |
MoRpHeUz | kulve: but I just can assure that the default one works =) hehe | 13:35 |
MoRpHeUz | (and some other combinations) | 13:35 |
MoRpHeUz | but inside n800 I'm 100% sure that the default options work | 13:35 |
kulve | I'll try to find some time to test those out | 13:36 |
kulve | thx | 13:36 |
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MoRpHeUz | kulve: it's me who has to say thanks =) (btw, thanks hehe) | 13:37 |
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unique311 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/unique0nez/ | 14:01 |
unique311 | new screenshots...of The POSE | 14:01 |
pupnik | :) | 14:02 |
pupnik | http://smarterits.com/~brandon/RonPaulLolz.gif | 14:02 |
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pupnik | you pull that keyboard up with right click? | 14:03 |
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inz | uniq, you got mh-shot-tool working? | 14:05 |
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MoRpHeUz | good work..nice pics | 14:10 |
unique311 | no | 14:10 |
unique311 | keyboard is within the emu | 14:10 |
pupnik | ok so it comes up when you start that notepad thing | 14:11 |
unique311 | yes | 14:11 |
unique311 | it doesn't come up.. | 14:11 |
unique311 | you have to call it up.. | 14:11 |
pupnik | ok i understand | 14:11 |
unique311 | the graffiti area has the abc | 14:11 |
unique311 | thats why i modified the skin again so people would be able to see it. | 14:12 |
unique311 | yes mh-shot-tool is working inz | 14:12 |
roope | I hate it when I try to install an app (like urhos media app) and it just says "Operation failed". Thanks a lot for the verbose information. | 14:13 |
unique311 | pupnik im not too sure about this ron paul character.. | 14:16 |
unique311 | he talks a good games...but at the end of the day he is still a republican.... | 14:16 |
inz | uniq, cool, do you have any idea why it wasn't working? | 14:16 |
unique311 | multiple browser windows being open... | 14:17 |
unique311 | i left a comment on the website.. | 14:17 |
unique311 | something about flickr not being able to authenticate "frob" | 14:17 |
suihkulokki | roope: you know who defines the error messages :) | 14:20 |
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konttori | roope: i hate that too | 14:30 |
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konttori | There should be a log window in the installer. | 14:31 |
inz | there is | 14:33 |
unique311 | I want The Enlightenment, who do i speak to.... | 14:36 |
konttori | inz: great. | 14:37 |
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MoRpHeUz | unique311: k-s =) | 14:41 |
unique311 | hmmm i don't understand.... | 14:43 |
unique311 | looks like random keypresses to me.. | 14:44 |
unique311 | explain yourself MoRpHeUz | 14:44 |
MoRpHeUz | unique311: a guy called k-s is porting evas to the device... | 14:44 |
MoRpHeUz | =) | 14:44 |
MoRpHeUz | if you want enlightment on it, ask him =) | 14:45 |
unique311 | ok | 14:45 |
MoRpHeUz | unique311: it's k-s =) take a look at his blog | 14:45 |
unique311 | is k-s rasterman | 14:45 |
unique311 | http://www.rasterman.com/ | 14:45 |
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MoRpHeUz | no...rasterman is helping | 14:46 |
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MoRpHeUz | unique311: k-s: http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/ | 14:46 |
unique311 | so theirs 2 individuals working on it... | 14:46 |
unique311 | ok | 14:46 |
MoRpHeUz | =) | 14:47 |
MoRpHeUz | unique311: take a look at the videos... =) | 14:47 |
unique311 | i did... | 14:47 |
unique311 | i saw all of ths on maemo.org | 14:47 |
MoRpHeUz | =) | 14:48 |
unique311 | but on the other hand..i'm also seeing that on rasterman.com he is porting it. | 14:48 |
unique311 | or has it running on the n800 | 14:48 |
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MoRpHeUz | yeah...they are working together | 14:48 |
unique311 | ok | 14:48 |
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konttori | UKTUBE 0.3 out now: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1667/UKMP-1.3-uktube0.3.deb | 15:13 |
konttori | Cool new features are: Faster download, less stalling. Cropped 16:9 mode for those videos with black borders and a do-not-save mode. | 15:14 |
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roope | konttori: any ideas why it would give that error when i try to install the ukmp 1.3? I have python 2.5 already installed. | 15:41 |
roope | Clicking the link from the maemo.org downloads page. | 15:42 |
konttori | Does the error happen immediately? | 15:42 |
roope | Yeah. Before any progress banners. | 15:42 |
konttori | sounds like it's missing some pre-dependency. | 15:43 |
konttori | sounds odd, as I haven't heard such problems from anyone else | 15:43 |
konttori | otoh: not everyone has the time to report errors | 15:43 |
suihkulokki | roope: use xterm and install it as root with dpkg -i | 15:43 |
konttori | roope: can you open the log file? | 15:44 |
konttori | Application manager menu / tools/Log | 15:45 |
konttori | Maybe it tells something that makes sense | 15:45 |
unique311 | http://shop.01media.com/info.asp?ProductID=16517 | 15:45 |
unique311 | some serious hardware mod..and this could be a beautiful thing.. | 15:45 |
konttori | roope: have you been able to install previous versions? | 15:47 |
roope | yes, 1.0 at least was ok. | 15:47 |
roope | let's check the log. | 15:47 |
unique311 | http://www.ic2005.com/shop/product.php?productid=30&cat=0&page=1 | 15:48 |
gwak | http://www.ic2005.com/shop/product.php?productid=30&cat=0&page=1 | 15:48 |
roope | that's weird. nothing comes to log. | 15:48 |
konttori | Odd? Really nothing? | 15:49 |
roope | yeah. "operation failed" immediately. | 15:49 |
unique311 | 4 in 1 | 15:49 |
roope | perhaps this needs a reboot, like windows. ;) | 15:49 |
konttori | Does it even start with the lien: osso-application-installer 4.46 UI version 2? | 15:49 |
roope | yes. but nothing more. | 15:49 |
unique311 | means i can use all the different cards i have laying around. | 15:49 |
konttori | Yeah, might be that the system is jammed. | 15:49 |
konttori | Hmm... next line should be /usr/bin/dpkg-deb -f '/media/mmc1/UKMP1.3.deb' | 15:50 |
unique311 | qwak do you own one of thos | 15:50 |
konttori | or something quite similar | 15:50 |
unique311 | e | 15:50 |
`0660 | does anyone have any guess of the new firmware release date? :) | 15:51 |
konttori | hey roope: try out the uktube version when you have rebooted: http://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1667/UKMP-1.3-uktube0.3.deb | 15:54 |
roope | what's the difference. | 15:54 |
konttori | It has the wickedly cool uktube bundled in. | 15:55 |
roope | what is uktube? | 15:55 |
konttori | OTOH, it needs mplayer to play the videos. | 15:55 |
konttori | It plays youtube videos in full fps in fullscreen | 15:55 |
roope | oh. | 15:55 |
konttori | have a look at this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy-SGsItwPA&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fkonttoristhoughts%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F | 15:55 |
konttori | that is from the initial version. the current one is 0.3 and is already much better. | 15:56 |
pupnik | konttori: that will work in IT2007 on 770? | 15:56 |
konttori | yeah | 15:56 |
konttori | and it2006 as well | 15:56 |
roope | it's a big-ass table. | 15:56 |
konttori | roope: You can install mplayer from http://downloads.maemo.org/product/mplayer | 15:57 |
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jani | that uktube video reminds of one question that i was thinking few weeks ago.. | 15:59 |
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jani | does google provide api for youtube? | 15:59 |
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PierreTramo | is the sourcecode of flasher available? | 16:00 |
konttori | jani: as in, being able to access google videos from youtube? | 16:00 |
PierreTramo | i guess it's not :) | 16:00 |
konttori | oh, you mean like for rss feeds? | 16:00 |
konttori | Yeah, they have api | 16:01 |
konttori | http://www.youtube.com/dev | 16:01 |
robtaylor | konttori: what's that video you're watching in the clip? | 16:01 |
konttori | it's a windows table parody | 16:01 |
konttori | roope: did the reboot help at all? | 16:02 |
konttori | robtaylor: this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZrr7AZ9nCY | 16:03 |
jani | ok. | 16:03 |
konttori | jani: did you have thoughts about making some youtube app? | 16:04 |
jani | the idea i was thinking that it would be somewhat good idea to make a similar application to joost that uses youtube as video storage .. | 16:04 |
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konttori | jani: you mean like that it's playing youtube clips continuously? | 16:05 |
konttori | Sounds like a nice idea? | 16:05 |
pupnik | i prefer to click to start | 16:06 |
jani | yes, something like that.. .first one would pick a topic or a keyword and then it would stream the stuff .. | 16:06 |
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roope | konttori: no, still the same error. :/ | 16:07 |
roope | perhaps my application manager turned into the aplication mangler. | 16:08 |
konttori | damn! | 16:08 |
konttori | Are you able to install other programs? | 16:08 |
konttori | Try installing mplayer if you don't already have it | 16:08 |
robtaylor | konttori: thanks. thats a big-ass table... | 16:08 |
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jani | konttori: app would use some caching/background downloading so possible caps in playback would be minimal .. | 16:09 |
roope | Why not do this with a device the size of a small car? | 16:09 |
roope | konttori: yeah, for instance mplayer is installing smoothly. | 16:09 |
unique311 | was wine ever discussed for the n800/770? | 16:10 |
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pupnik | try windows on an 8mhz IBM AT first | 16:10 |
konttori | roope: and you tried the uktube version. Hmm... could you try uninstalling ukmp 1.0 first? | 16:10 |
konttori | unique311: can't be done, as n800 doesn't have intel processor | 16:10 |
roope | I have uninstalled 1.0 already.... | 16:11 |
pupnik | it's theoretically possible, with an x86 core running the executeables, then wine handling the API | 16:11 |
pupnik | emu core | 16:12 |
gla55 | isn't there dosbox port? | 16:12 |
konttori | roope: and still nothing in the log? | 16:13 |
bstock | anyone have a good list of repo's for os2007 on n770? | 16:13 |
pupnik | http://pupnik.de/dosbox_maemo_065_001.tgz | 16:13 |
pupnik | 0.70 runs too, but has problems | 16:14 |
unique311 | everything compiles expect for winlib... | 16:14 |
guardian | what's the best approach to draw antialised lines in a gtk application ? do it by myself or is there anything i can use ? | 16:14 |
unique311 | Winelib | 16:14 |
roope | still nothing. perhaps my device is just borked. | 16:14 |
konttori | I'll try with my vanilla 770. | 16:15 |
bstock | can i use any n800 apps on an n770 w/ 2007 hacker os? | 16:17 |
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pupnik | bstock: not with the latest 2007 hacker os i tried | 16:17 |
pupnik | unique what's the slowest windows machine you've used? now imagine it 100 times slower. | 16:18 |
jani | seems the youtube api is pretty simple. | 16:18 |
bstock | hmm so the packages i use need to be what, regular 770 packages? | 16:18 |
pupnik | bstock, many work, but some demand features only found on the 800 | 16:19 |
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konttori | cool. garage doesn't work on 770 | 16:20 |
konttori | 770 tells me: unable to complete secure transaction. | 16:20 |
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pupnikafk | Qemu has two operating modes: User mode emulation. In this mode, QEMU can launch processes compiled for one CPU on another CPU. It can be used to launch the Wine Windows API emulator | 16:20 |
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* pupnikafk lulz | 16:21 | |
konttori | ferenc: I'm unable to access garage.maemo.org from 770 | 16:21 |
unique311 | pupnik the slowest cpu use, hmmmmm. amd athlon xp 3400+ | 16:23 |
unique311 | pretty new to this whole computer world..actually i think the notebook i'm using now beats the my desktop | 16:24 |
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unique311 | pentium M 2.0 ghz | 16:25 |
unique311 | 1.69ghz | 16:25 |
roope | btw, http://maemointeraction.wordpress.com/2007/06/26/lets-talk-about-text-input/ | 16:26 |
roope | For those interested in touch screen text input, there's some interesting stuff to read. As well as the design process we had. | 16:27 |
roope | Perhaps also i should spam the ubuntu mobile people... | 16:28 |
derf | I never actually use the built-in input method, anyway. | 16:28 |
konttori | roope: I just tested installing the ukmp on my 770 and it installed without a problem. | 16:28 |
konttori | did you try installing from the web or from a file? | 16:28 |
roope | from the web. | 16:29 |
konttori | Maybe you need to save the deb first and then install from the deb. | 16:29 |
roope | let's try that. | 16:29 |
konttori | just a though. | 16:29 |
roope | oh. yeah. that works. well, that sucks. | 16:29 |
roope | (not that it works, but rather that the browser one didn't work. :) | 16:30 |
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konttori | Hmm... so odd. I'll have to do some tests. | 16:39 |
roope | anyway, the app now starts fine. i'll download some mp3's and test it out some more. | 16:42 |
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konttori | roope: Have a test on the uktube as well. it's splendid! | 16:44 |
konttori | Well, the tool. It's more like a tool than an app at the moment. | 16:44 |
roope | let's see. idea of copy-paste sounds a bit clumsy. :) we'll see. | 16:44 |
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konttori | roope: yeah. Would love to make some better way. But as said, it's a proof of concept at the moment. | 16:45 |
roope | like a thing that ... you should check out ... you know the iphone youtube. | 16:45 |
roope | well that was a clear thought. :D but there's this mobile interface to youtube. that's like pushing and promoting featured videos. | 16:46 |
roope | It would be really cool if the app would directly read from that API. | 16:46 |
konttori | roope: I'm kind of planning that, but... ;) It takes some time to make that kind of an app. | 16:47 |
konttori | I was thinking about making it use ukmp interface. | 16:48 |
roope | that would be cool. the thumbnails like your album arts. | 16:48 |
konttori | yeah. Icons are the best way to access stuff using your finger. | 16:49 |
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roope | the individual song titles could also be finger sized. they're a bit small right now. | 16:51 |
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roope | you could fit like a 6x2 grid of song titles at once inside an album. | 16:52 |
konttori | But, hover over the songs with your finger -> it won't play unless you click -> Helps to position your finger. | 16:52 |
konttori | Hard to make 6x2 grid. Song names would need to be put to two lines. | 16:53 |
konttori | that is if I would make the font bigger. | 16:53 |
roope | yeah. | 16:53 |
Jaffa | Good UIs are rarely easy, IME ;-) | 16:53 |
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konttori | anyway, I'll keep the two column model in mind in case I have the time to work on it some time. | 16:54 |
Jaffa | roope: your thesis is protected by a username/psasword combo | 16:54 |
roope | i'll sketch it just to check if it's crap. | 16:54 |
gla55 | Jaffa: depends on how complex things the ui needs to achieve.. | 16:54 |
roope | jaffa: wow. oh. | 16:54 |
roope | have to fix that immediately. | 16:55 |
Jaffa | Yeah, it's on planet already ;) | 16:55 |
Jaffa | gla55: I dunno, a good looking, easy-to-use UI may need more design time than implmentation (e.g. drawing/coding)) time, but it's still not easy. Having said that, google.com started off easy enough, I imagine. | 16:55 |
roope | jaffa: nobody said it would be easy. :) | 16:56 |
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konttori | interesting. fps controller for ps3: http://au.gear.ign.com/articles/799/799262p1.html | 17:03 |
roope | jaffa: now the document works, thanks! | 17:03 |
Jaffa | roope: cool, thanks | 17:04 |
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Jaffa | roope: yeah, you need to lose the "s" off https:// | 17:04 |
roope | thanks again. :) | 17:05 |
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roope | uktube works. :) | 17:42 |
dragorn | reading the UI design scrollback, a good decision might be to follow the NDS game UI style, where you usually hit a button once to highlight it, and hit it a second time to activate it if the game is touchscreen-driven | 17:46 |
dragorn | might be easy to make a double-hit with highlight button class for hildon | 17:47 |
dragorn | well, it WOULD be easy. Might be worth-while. | 17:47 |
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roope | well, list items work like that already. for buttons the usual expectation is that first press activates. | 18:17 |
roope | lotus notes has those two-press to activate -buttons, and those are universally criticized. | 18:18 |
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dragorn | roope: I don't advocate it for usual apps, but for tablets and especially finger-driven tablet apps, it might make sense is all I'm saying. Works well for the DS. | 18:18 |
ttuttle | Hey, is it true that multimedia (at least sound) is broken on hacker edition 2007 for the N770? | 18:18 |
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ericz | hey ttuttle :) | 18:21 |
ttuttle | ericz: Hey. Yours ship yet? (Mine didn't.) | 18:21 |
ericz | nah, i don't think so, it emails you right? and says in Your Account? | 18:21 |
ttuttle | ericz: Yeah, or so I hear. | 18:22 |
dragorn | from woot? | 18:22 |
ericz | dragorn, yeah | 18:23 |
dragorn | buy.com has them for $140 today, too | 18:23 |
dragorn | for anyone who missed woot yesterday | 18:23 |
ttuttle | dragorn: Are you the Kismet dragorn? | 18:23 |
dragorn | yeah | 18:23 |
ttuttle | dragorn: Cool. What's up? | 18:23 |
ericz | haha, i was hoping on a bluetooth keyboard as today's woot | 18:23 |
ttuttle | dragorn: (How's newcore coming along?) | 18:23 |
ttuttle | ericz: Yeah, you wish. | 18:23 |
dragorn | not much. waiting for builds on stuff to complete. | 18:23 |
ttuttle | dragorn: Need CPU? | 18:23 |
dragorn | ttuttle: Surprisingly close to being done, needs more gui elements and thats about it | 18:23 |
dragorn | and then I need to get mouse working in ncurses | 18:24 |
ttuttle | dragorn: Cool. I'm really excited. | 18:24 |
dragorn | nope, this is work stuff anyhow I'm waiting on. | 18:24 |
* dragorn has plenty of cpu, unfortunately also plenty of stuff to compile | 18:24 | |
ttuttle | dragorn: Ah, /me knows what that's like. Plone takes almost a minute to restart ;-) | 18:24 |
ttuttle | dragorn: distcc over the Internet would probably be pretty slow. (And untrusted.) | 18:24 |
dragorn | yuo | 18:24 |
dragorn | yup | 18:24 |
dragorn | i've got a quad 2ghz amd64. it's fine. :P | 18:25 |
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ttuttle | dragorn: /me grumbles. I've got a dual 2ghz core2duo. It's not bad. :-) | 18:25 |
ttuttle | dragorn: So does Kismet run well on the N770? | 18:26 |
dragorn | not incredibly, the drivers are weird | 18:27 |
dragorn | the 770 works better than the 800, at least w/ the released firmwares, though | 18:27 |
ttuttle | dragorn: Oh. Do they need debugging, or is there no hope? (I wouldn't mind debugging if I can help.) | 18:27 |
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dragorn | ttuttle: Not much to debug, they're binary blobs | 18:27 |
ttuttle | dragorn: /me smiles. 770++. | 18:27 |
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ttuttle | dragorn: Ewww. What card? | 18:27 |
dragorn | ttuttle: Wrapped in a small OSS shell to translate to kernel skb buffers | 18:27 |
ttuttle | dragorn: That sucks. | 18:27 |
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dragorn | ttuttle: Interesting dodge to avoid using kernel headers in the binary blob | 18:28 |
ttuttle | dragorn: Someone should ban binary blogs. | 18:28 |
ttuttle | dragorn: They suck. | 18:28 |
ttuttle | dragorn: So what kind of card is it? Nokia proprietary? | 18:28 |
dragorn | ttuttle: It's a conexant, somehow related to a prism54 softmac. someone did something to get the p54 softmac driving the card on a 770, but it was a long time ago, theres been no dev since, and it seems like the p54 softmac stuff is in an usuable state of flux at the moment | 18:28 |
ttuttle | dragorn: Ah. That's too bad. softmac is cool. Maybe once d80211/mac80211 settles down someone can port it. | 18:29 |
ttuttle | dragorn: What kind of problems does it have? | 18:29 |
dragorn | We'll see, I don't know how well generic kernels work on the 770 | 18:29 |
dragorn | if there are other magic bits besides the wireless | 18:29 |
ttuttle | dragorn: They *do* offer patches, right? Right? | 18:30 |
dragorn | Well, sometimes it won't go into monitor mode. Sometimes it won't come out. Sometimes it thinks it came out, but doesn't work. | 18:30 |
ttuttle | dragorn: It's illegal not to, I think. | 18:30 |
ttuttle | dragorn: Does repeating the operation help? ;-) | 18:30 |
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ttuttle | dragorn: Oh, is anyone maintaining gpsmap? I've thought about making a "1000-in-1" Linux mapping/data application, but I don't know enough about it. | 18:31 |
ericz | bah, online shopping is not cool.. i'm just too impatient | 18:31 |
ttuttle | ericz: Have patience. =D | 18:32 |
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ericz | i hope i get it this week at least | 18:32 |
ttuttle | ericz: I think you probably will. But don't quote me. It's probably just my own false hope talking. | 18:33 |
ericz | hrm.. i wonder what my WPA key is.. i'll have to look into that | 18:33 |
ericz | i'm going to need that | 18:33 |
ericz | damn my security practice.. it's going to take forever to type that with an onscreen keyboard | 18:34 |
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dragorn | not always. the 800 is even more flaky, usually with the firmware version of the drivers it locks up randomly about 5 minutes in | 18:35 |
dragorn | theres an updated set of the OSS modules which works better, but would require me to go swapping modules on users and chrooting things to initialize the device again, and that doesn't make me too comfortable. I don't like doing things that require users reboot their devices every time if something goes funny | 18:36 |
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ericz | ttuttle, what do you think a round-trip flight to dallas costs? | 18:48 |
dragorn | from? | 18:48 |
ericz | virginia? | 18:50 |
ericz | haha, security would go through everything i owned followed by cavity search because the return flight would only need to be like a few hours after arrival | 18:50 |
dragorn | dunno, i've done NY to SF and back w/ a 6 hour stay in cali and didn't get groped | 18:52 |
ericz | that's a long flight for only 6 hours | 18:54 |
dragorn | yup | 18:54 |
dragorn | about 6 hours each way infact :P | 18:54 |
ericz | i've done VA to seattle quite a few times | 18:54 |
ericz | but i stayed a couple weeks | 18:54 |
ericz | VA to ireland had to be the worst | 18:55 |
dragorn | ttuttle: newcore has been taking a back seat the last few weeks to getting the new wispy hardware running | 18:57 |
ttuttle | dragorn: Ah. Maybe I need to get a WiSpy then. | 18:58 |
dragorn | ttuttle: http://kismetwireless.net/screenshot/spectool-gtk-dev.png ... once I work around the lack of gtk-cairo integration on the maemo stuff it ought to work on the 770/800 too | 18:59 |
dragorn | though I haven't tested the speed it renders on them | 18:59 |
ttuttle | dragorn: Er, but the N770 doesn't allow you to use USB without an awkward power injector. | 19:00 |
dragorn | yeah | 19:00 |
dragorn | oh well | 19:00 |
dragorn | :P | 19:00 |
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ttuttle | dragorn: What's the difference between the Topo and Planar? | 19:00 |
dragorn | Still worth having. Also, network support. | 19:00 |
ttuttle | dragorn: Is Topo over time? | 19:00 |
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dragorn | planar is realtime, topo is colored by the # of signal peaks over time | 19:00 |
ttuttle | dragorn: Ah. | 19:01 |
dragorn | when you have overlapping networks you can see them *really* well in topo | 19:01 |
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monteslu | anyone here doing python development for the 770 or 800 ? | 20:24 |
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MoRpHeUz | monteslu: a lot of people I guess =) | 20:26 |
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kulve | MoRpHeUz: btw. gmyth.pc has incorrect -I in Cflags. Or the gms uses wrong #includes | 20:32 |
MoRpHeUz | kulve: hhmm...I'll take a look at that....but gms is written in python..so doesnt have #includes hehe...are you talking about gmyth itself ? | 20:34 |
kulve | bbl | 20:34 |
monteslu | I'm thinking of writing an app that will control my kid's lego mindstorms NXT through bluetooh using NXT_Python: http://home.comcast.net/~dplau/nxt_python/index.html | 20:36 |
monteslu | should I just bundle it for a repo as NXT_Python, plus my app? | 20:36 |
monteslu | my own app will probably be less than 2K | 20:37 |
monteslu | and NXT_Python is pretty small itself | 20:37 |
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dragorn | i'd say 2 packages is better | 20:37 |
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dragorn | because if others develop w/ nxt python it's nice to have it available vanilla | 20:38 |
dragorn | my $0.02 anyhow | 20:38 |
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monteslu | hmm.. what if i don't change the libs at all, just add my nxtcontroller.py and a menu entry for it? | 20:38 |
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unique311 | To hildon or not to hildon, that is the question. | 22:13 |
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khertan | Hi ! | 22:46 |
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khertan | Someone know a good small gtk imap client that enable to read imap mail offline ? | 22:52 |
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derf | khertan: I wish. | 22:58 |
derf | If you find one, let me know. Hildon's mail reader is completely useless. | 22:59 |
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mk8 | Hi to all .... | 22:59 |
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pupnikafk | i wish nokia were more aggressive with this platform | 23:09 |
gla55 | not time for it yet | 23:09 |
pupnikafk | intel is now doing advertising for them. they have a good set of software (with holes) | 23:09 |
pupnikafk | ok | 23:09 |
pupnikafk | we are bleeding edge | 23:10 |
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pupnik | hey gla55, do you want to port a really cool emu to nokia?! :)D | 23:10 |
gla55 | i'm just a 770 user, the dev i do is symbian and j2me | 23:11 |
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khertan | i ve just finish to install gcc-3.4 on my n800 for onboard dev ... | 23:18 |
khertan | can i install the sdk on the device ? | 23:19 |
pupnik | why do you want to do that | 23:19 |
khertan | because i want to dev onboard :) | 23:20 |
khertan | i want to be able to dev while i'm in public transport | 23:20 |
khertan | and i ve not many time at home to dev ... | 23:20 |
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khertan | (i m in a train 2,5 hours by days) | 23:21 |
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khertan | the header for hildon (hildon-widgets/hildon-program.h) | 23:21 |
kakos | Is there a good file manager for the N800? | 23:23 |
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khertan | arg ... it s take many Mo the dev headers ... | 23:32 |
jani | what?! | 23:33 |
khertan | i m installing the hildon-libs-dev | 23:35 |
khertan | directly on the device | 23:35 |
jani | compiling you mean ? =) | 23:36 |
khertan | yes compiling onboard :) | 23:37 |
khertan | YAAAAPIKAHAY ! | 23:43 |
khertan | i ve successfully compiling onboard (on my n800) a c application that use the hildon framework ... | 23:44 |
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tko | khertan: with just a single battery? amazing :-P | 23:53 |
khertan | lol :) | 23:55 |
khertan | only 30s for a dummy 300 lines applications | 23:55 |
kakos | I'm so glad that metalayer-crawl is smart enough to ignore symlinks. </sarcasm> | 23:57 |
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