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| unique311 | hmmmm | 00:00 |
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| unique311 | why natively....os8 at that... | 00:00 |
| unique311 | think maemo out do os8 by a long shot.. | 00:00 |
| unique311 | just fun to emulate stuff | 00:01 |
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| unique311 | i like intels (pretty much) maemo OS | 00:01 |
| Tak|work | emulation gives access to a huge number of apps by only porting/writing one | 00:02 |
| unique311 | any apps for osx that allows you to make empty dsk or hfv files | 00:05 |
| ||cw | disk manager? | 00:05 |
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| unique311 | disk utility doesn't have an option to do so.. | 00:08 |
| unique311 | which sucks | 00:08 |
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| unique311 | going to try to upgrade to 8.1 with these steps http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/os8_68030.html | 00:13 |
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| TimRiker | eep! I did something, and my n800 restarted. now all the scrollbars are missing. display is messed. | 00:21 |
| TimRiker | any ide how to recover? I tried changing themes, and that did not help. | 00:22 |
| TimRiker | er idea... | 00:22 |
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| TimRiker | can you nuke the .osso directory and restart or something? keyboard, scrollbars, etc, all messed up. | 00:26 |
| TimRiker | power cycle did not help. | 00:26 |
| Tak|work | are you connected to AC? | 00:28 |
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| TimRiker | yes | 00:30 |
| Tak|work | it doesn't do a full power cycle then - try unplugging and cycling | 00:31 |
| TimRiker | ok | 00:31 |
| TimRiker | no joy. | 00:32 |
| TimRiker | I get the three icons on the left, but just on a white block that goes all the way up and down. the "task switcher" part is gone. | 00:33 |
| TimRiker | all the home page sections have no window borders, and no white. so the rss window for example has an almost unreadable title as it's gray text on the normal blue/gray background. | 00:34 |
| TimRiker | the time, radio, etc all all similarly messed up. | 00:34 |
| TimRiker | there are no scrollbars anywhere. | 00:34 |
| unique311 | that happened to me last week | 00:35 |
| unique311 | when i did a rm -R /usr /etc | 00:35 |
| TimRiker | hehe. nice. I didn't do that nor do I want to. | 00:35 |
| TimRiker | Nokia-N800-51:~# ldconfig | 00:36 |
| TimRiker | ldconfig: /usr/lib/libgpg-error.so.0 is not a symbolic link | 00:36 |
| TimRiker | hmm | 00:36 |
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| kakos | TimRiker: Is that causing you problems? | 00:38 |
| kakos | TimRiker: That's usually an ignorable warning. | 00:38 |
| TimRiker | dunno. just fixed it and restarted. | 00:38 |
| TimRiker | nope. fixing it didn't help. | 00:39 |
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| TimRiker | crap crap crap | 00:41 |
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| TimRiker | restarting X reboots the device. can I launch the desktop remotely? I don't want to try radical changes and make it worse if I need the ui to get the network running. | 00:47 |
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| fer | hello | 00:58 |
| fer | does anyone know how to configure the default keyboard language (console) in debian? | 00:58 |
| fer | I installed it as en_us.. but I'm using a different keyboard... | 00:59 |
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| jonnylamb | fer: setxkbmap en_GB or whatever | 01:06 |
| jonnylamb | fer: and for locales in debian: dpkg-reconfigure locales | 01:07 |
| fer | jonnylamb, thanks... it's that seccond one.. :) | 01:08 |
| jonnylamb | fer: although you're not really in the right chhannel i think. #debian on OFTC would be better | 01:08 |
| fer | i know.. :) | 01:08 |
| jonnylamb | umm, right | 01:08 |
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| |tbb| | anyone playing smb on nintendo in his youth? i bet u where not able to beat that levels | 01:14 |
| |tbb| | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6204903272262158881&hl=en | 01:14 |
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| sandman_ | So why isn't a standard apt-get dist-upgrade possible with the N800? | 02:14 |
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| TimRiker | sandman_: good question. I'd like to know that too. :) | 02:28 |
| TimRiker | course you'd need a lot of tmp space. | 02:28 |
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| unique311 | feedback on the basiliskII running os8...anyone? | 04:19 |
| unique311 | if you are a fan, place this link on your bookmarks.....lots of goodies for macintosh http://hyperarchive.lcs.mit.edu/HyperArchive.html | 04:23 |
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| jwb_gone | hm.. where is the xchat repo? | 04:36 |
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| geoffeg | should i install the openssh server and client or the dropbear one? | 05:10 |
| unique311 | which one tickles your fancy.. | 05:18 |
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| sandman | Evenin all | 05:35 |
| unique311 | updated to os8.1 | 05:35 |
| unique311 | hmmm | 05:35 |
| unique311 | i'm about to push it to the limit.. | 05:36 |
| unique311 | gonna update until it crashes...hopefully at 9.something | 05:36 |
| sandman | I just got my n800 | 05:36 |
| unique311 | nice | 05:36 |
| unique311 | you want basiliskII running on it? | 05:36 |
| sandman | Is there a way to do development for the n800 on the n800? | 05:37 |
| unique311 | scratchbox | 05:37 |
| unique311 | cross compile...i think.. | 05:38 |
| sandman | What's that? | 05:38 |
| unique311 | k, i will hook you up with lots of links.. | 05:38 |
| unique311 | i'm not a dev... | 05:38 |
| unique311 | so i cannot explain in detail everything.. | 05:38 |
| unique311 | http://maemo.org/ | 05:39 |
| unique311 | good place to start | 05:39 |
| unique311 | http://maemo.org/development/ | 05:39 |
| unique311 | maemo.org should pretty much explain everything.... | 05:40 |
| unique311 | and when the devs are active in here..they will be able to help you out even more.. | 05:40 |
| sandman | sweet | 05:40 |
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| sandman | well | 05:43 |
| unique311 | Pupnik | 05:43 |
| unique311 | he helped me out alot... | 05:43 |
| sandman | Cool | 05:44 |
| unique311 | but the site will | 05:44 |
| unique311 | to get you started... | 05:44 |
| unique311 | if you have vmware... | 05:44 |
| sandman | Won't Debian-arm run in a chroot? | 05:45 |
| sandman | I use qemu usually | 05:45 |
| unique311 | don't know....the only way i know apps get compiled for use with 770/800 is via scratchbox.. | 05:45 |
| unique311 | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html#settingup | 05:47 |
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| sandman | thx | 05:50 |
| unique311 | np | 05:52 |
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| * richardg1953 just setup sbox and compiled al kernel-source-rx-34-2.6.18. tried to run menuconfig but it blows up in scratchbox. Is menuconfig supposed to work within sbox? | 05:53 | |
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| lodxcol | hi, anyone available? | 06:17 |
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| febb | hi | 06:26 |
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| * pupnik is back, with 5 cases of ramen | 06:37 | |
| Tak | now you don't have to leave the house for a week | 06:39 |
| pupnik | :) that's the plan | 06:43 |
| unique311 | yeah | 06:46 |
| unique311 | got synergy to work... | 06:46 |
| unique311 | now i can play with basilisk | 06:47 |
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| unique311 | open a few ports miracles happen.. | 06:47 |
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| pupnik | that synergy client could be improved | 06:51 |
| pupnik | a) invokable on desktop or toolbar or menu app (i'd prefer an icon like the bluetooth plugin) | 06:52 |
| pupnik | b) synergy set the X cursor away from transparent when invoked, and return it to transparent when killed | 06:52 |
| pupnik | c) set maemo-gtk-im-switch xim when invoked and back to virtual when killed | 06:54 |
| pupnik | d) preferences/startup menu with host to connect to | 06:54 |
| pupnik | e) settable in preferences - disable dimming/blanking timeout when active | 06:55 |
| unique311 | im happy | 07:00 |
| unique311 | i can type | 07:00 |
| unique311 | big help | 07:00 |
| unique311 | especially for this emu | 07:00 |
| geoffeg | w | 07:01 |
| pupnik | all the old mac heads will love it | 07:01 |
| unique311 | did you get the binary? | 07:02 |
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| pupnik | not yet | 07:02 |
| gla55 | mornings | 07:02 |
| unique311 | http://www.divshare.com/download/588430-44a | 07:02 |
| gla55 | pupnik you take speed or wtf? | 07:02 |
| unique311 | everything is in there | 07:02 |
| unique311 | if you want to upgrade to 8.1 | 07:03 |
| unique311 | its simple | 07:03 |
| gla55 | you seem to be active all the time | 07:03 |
| pupnik | just ramen, coffee and beer for mee :) | 07:03 |
| gla55 | isn't that what they cook meth from | 07:04 |
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| unique311 | ramen is some good shit... | 07:05 |
| unique311 | but bad for you... | 07:05 |
| unique311 | well not really good shit, but good stuff... | 07:05 |
| pupnik | it was hard to get around here, but this russian store started stocking a few brands, so now i buy one of each | 07:07 |
| pupnik | ramen review site: http://www.noodleson.com/review | 07:09 |
| gla55 | i like "mama" and blue dragon brands | 07:10 |
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| gla55 | i usually throw in some frozen veggies | 07:10 |
| pupnik | mama uses wheat-tapioca based noodles, thicker than regular ramen with a chewiness much like korean instant noodles | 07:11 |
| gla55 | the supermarkets around here carry usually 2-4 brands | 07:11 |
| * pupnik will look for blue dragon | 07:12 | |
| gla55 | it's a bit more expensive.. not that much | 07:12 |
| gla55 | i think it tries to be a "quality" brand.. they got sauces etc etc with the same brand.. | 07:12 |
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| gla55 | ah well, i should go get some more sleep since i managed to get home.. | 07:13 |
| pupnik | yeah prices can vary greatly | 07:13 |
| pupnik | ok cu | 07:13 |
| gla55 | cyas | 07:13 |
| pupnik | man the ebay guys want 2 euro for one package of nissin | 07:18 |
| pupnik | oh 3 pkgs nm | 07:18 |
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| pupnik | http://www.noodleson.com/info/images/students.pack.jpg the only way to fly (sfw) | 07:46 |
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| inz | CIA works again! | 09:08 |
| * pupnik salutes inz | 09:12 | |
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| pupnik | what do you use CIA.vc for? | 09:13 |
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| pupnik | still cant log in to maemo.org | 09:53 |
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| pupnik | i need to submit changes to http://maemo.org/community/wiki/GameDevelopment | 09:55 |
| part | maybe learning to spell might help | 09:56 |
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| pupnik | part, can you explain that? | 10:06 |
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| fishor | hallo lezy web ;). may be you can halp me. i trying to build package for gregale but i getting "configure: error: cannot compute sizeof (unsigned short), 77" if i use dpkg-buildpackage | 10:24 |
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| fishor | if i try just ./configure there is no problem. | 10:25 |
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| alump | is 2.2 sdk rootstrap anywhere to be found, all links pointing it on the new site are like "ext:something" or "site:something" | 10:31 |
| maddler | morning all... | 10:35 |
| alump | ok, found it under the repository | 10:35 |
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| florian_ | hi maddler | 10:41 |
| pupnik | fishor: i think unsigned short is two bytes but i don't know what auto* tool is breaking | 10:44 |
| fishor | i made a diff of two config.log | 10:45 |
| fishor | pupnik, and there is some difference like ac_cv_c_const=yes | 10:47 |
| fishor | auto* don't do this ac_cv_c_const | 10:49 |
| fishor | and some more | 10:49 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:52 |
| koen | good morning mister Flegg | 10:53 |
| b0unc3 | morning... | 10:58 |
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| pupnik | fishor: let us know what the answer is when you find it - autoconf is not easy | 10:58 |
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| * Jaffa was going to have a long rant in response to quim about the evils about fixed width web design, especially when Nokia are shipping a small screen device with oft-used zoom functionality, but really couldn't be arsed... | 11:00 | |
| pupnik | i'd like to know a simple way for server to query browser window size | 11:08 |
| pupnik | i tried some javascript hacks - you can open new windows with a certain size | 11:09 |
| inz | rule number one: don't open new windows | 11:09 |
| inz | rule number two: don't resize existing windows | 11:09 |
| inz | (rule number three: don't use javascript ;) | 11:10 |
| tigert | Jaffa: I know | 11:10 |
| tigert | Jaffa: but its not a simple thing | 11:10 |
| pupnik | html was never really meant to make things look correct and good | 11:10 |
| tigert | Jaffa: its easier to design stuff with a certain width :P | 11:10 |
| tigert | CSS exists to make things correct and good | 11:11 |
| * pupnik agrees with tigert | 11:11 | |
| zuh | tigert: You should make it a pdf then ;) | 11:11 |
| tigert | but its very hard to design with a stretching paper size :) | 11:11 |
| jku__ | fullscreen jpeg works too | 11:11 |
| tigert | :) | 11:13 |
| tigert | indeed! | 11:13 |
| jku__ | tigert, fixed-width isn't without problems either: it often breaks down when people use different font sizes | 11:13 |
| inz | jku, scanned photograph of a printout of the jpeg on a wooden table | 11:13 |
| jku__ | example: new maemo bugzilla | 11:13 |
| tigert | jku__: yep | 11:13 |
| tigert | well, good suggestions on how to do it better are welcome | 11:13 |
| sp3000 | hmm, my browser defaults fonts aren't egregiously large or anything, but the "documentation - tutorials - ..." thing wraps and "garage.amemo.org" doesn't fit | 11:14 |
| tigert | the problem is the page looks like arse on wide browser | 11:14 |
| jku__ | same here, sp3000 | 11:14 |
| sp3000 | also, I can't type | 11:14 |
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| * sp3000 <<< $coffee | 11:15 | |
| sp3000 | eek, a bashism | 11:15 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning / bon dia from Barcelona | 11:36 |
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| fishor | anybody cnow how to replace quilt. my problem package use quilt for autoconf | 11:48 |
| fishor | may be it bracke the config | 11:48 |
| kulve | fishor: take the quilt from debian. Remove doc stuff (debian/{rules,control}. Compile. Install. | 11:50 |
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| unique311 | hey pupnik | 12:55 |
| unique311 | you around | 12:55 |
| unique311 | i just made a major discovery | 12:55 |
| unique311 | well not major but can benefit | 12:55 |
| unique311 | lol | 12:55 |
| unique311 | anyone around | 12:56 |
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| tigert_ | hi | 13:08 |
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| tigert | submit a bug to bugzilla? | 13:09 |
| X-Fade | tigert: Did you see my new mockup for the planet? | 13:13 |
| unique311 | not a bug | 13:13 |
| tigert | X-Fade: no? | 13:14 |
| unique311 | i just found a whole dev src folder for some old macintosh stuff..maybe with some mod we can bring some old apps to the maemo.. | 13:14 |
| tigert | unique311: oh ah, totally misunderstood you :) | 13:14 |
| unique311 | but i'm not sure...unix linux....possible? | 13:14 |
| unique311 | arm, ppc, 680x0 | 13:15 |
| unique311 | all this stuff gives me a headache | 13:15 |
| unique311 | looking at a flight sim src code.... | 13:16 |
| tigert | flightgear.org | 13:16 |
| tigert | :) | 13:16 |
| unique311 | i don't see a configure file.. | 13:16 |
| unique311 | or makefile | 13:16 |
| X-Fade | tigert: http://breet.com/maemo/planet/ I widened the posts and made de first one a bit narrower.. | 13:16 |
| tigert | X-Fade: nice | 13:17 |
| X-Fade | tigert: So all images/videos should fit withing the bubble.. | 13:17 |
| tigert | X-Fade: we are thinking of dropping the right side nav | 13:17 |
| tigert | and making it perhaps a pulldown or something (but this is still in a flux) | 13:17 |
| tigert | the sidenav just takes too much space because most of the pages are tall | 13:17 |
| tigert | X-Fade: but yeah | 13:17 |
| tigert | that would work too | 13:17 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, this is a small fix. Drop down menus is the next step, I guess ;) | 13:18 |
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| X-Fade | It's too bad that only a small fraction of the code is in svn. I can't access all code to try some things out :( | 13:19 |
| tigert | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz8EtJzeDQ0 < that is a bit too geeky :) | 13:19 |
| X-Fade | Hehe, yeah you don't want to wear that in public :) | 13:21 |
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| bilboed | depends, they should have written in bright orange "PINCH THIS" on it :) | 13:28 |
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| tigert | X-Fade: my impression too :) | 13:55 |
| tigert | or through airport security | 13:55 |
| inz | Boo, no dropdowns | 14:00 |
| inz | Dropdowns be teh curse of intertubes | 14:00 |
| keesj | tigert the video is so sexy! | 14:01 |
| keesj | I am gonna buy one for my girlfriend | 14:02 |
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| tigert | :) | 14:21 |
| onion | any eta on when the new site will work ok ? | 14:23 |
| Knirch | keesj: you're calling thoughtfix sexy? :D | 14:23 |
| onion | I'm getting "Fatal error: Call to a member function on a non-object in /var/cache/midgard/midgard/7-49-18-0.php on line 54" for some pages | 14:26 |
| maddler | onion: I simply can't access at all here... | 14:43 |
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| |tbb| | how can i determine my batterylevel in percent? | 15:09 |
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| keesj | Knirch yes | 15:30 |
| VRe | Are hildon libs available for desktop as .deb's somewhere? | 15:30 |
| zuh | http://maemo.org/ <- Fatal! | 15:36 |
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| ptman | something like apt-get.org would be very useful | 15:54 |
| `0660_ | what would you expect it to provide? | 15:56 |
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| jku | ptman, isn't that http://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationrepositories/ | 16:00 |
| jku | it doesn't have the package search engine though | 16:01 |
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| jku | that might be useful | 16:01 |
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| bergie | jku: feel free to file a feature request :-) | 16:09 |
| inz | bergie, is there a way to get wiki pages out in some other format than html? | 16:10 |
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| bergie | inz: RSS (but that is HTML too) | 16:10 |
| bergie | what would you like to do with the raw Markdown? | 16:10 |
| inz | bergie, parse it to get list of repositories that I can scrawl ;) | 16:11 |
| inz | bergie, see: http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/MaemoPackages | 16:12 |
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| zyxulnaga | is there any specific reason why hildon overides the STYLE I supply to it within my GTK code? More specifically it seems to ignore the progress bar background color change but it allows the foreground color change | 16:38 |
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| sandman_ | Anyone know how to force the N800 to reboot? | 16:45 |
| sandman_ | Mine's frozen @ the Nokia screen | 16:45 |
| pupnik | if holding down the power button doesn't work, remove battery | 16:45 |
| sandman_ | I cannot remove the battery very easily | 16:46 |
| sandman_ | In fact I still can't | 16:46 |
| sandman_ | Is there some sort of trick to it | 16:46 |
| pupnik | <- 770 | 16:46 |
| sandman_ | I bent one of my fingernails back already... | 16:46 |
| sandman_ | Kinda hurt | 16:46 |
| zyxulnaga | hehe | 16:47 |
| bilboed | sandman_, slap it out | 16:47 |
| zyxulnaga | push it backward with the stick | 16:47 |
| bilboed | using fingernails is crazy | 16:47 |
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| sandman_ | That worked much nicer | 16:49 |
| sandman_ | So, does chroot work? | 16:49 |
| sandman_ | Or perhaps is there a way to get it to work? | 16:49 |
| pupnik | chroot? what for? | 16:50 |
| pupnik | running dangerous apps? | 16:50 |
| sandman_ | FOr installing debian-arm | 16:52 |
| sandman_ | On a large SD card, that is | 16:52 |
| sandman_ | debootstrap it onto the SD card | 16:52 |
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| pupnik | interesting, that works? put a nokia kernel on there and you can run deb-arm apps? | 16:56 |
| sandman_ | I'll bet | 16:56 |
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| sandman_ | I just need to get chroot and debootstrap | 16:56 |
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| keesj | sandman_: you have seen this one http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-February/008480.html | 17:01 |
| sandman_ | I did now | 17:03 |
| sandman_ | So basically he made a chroot | 17:03 |
| sandman_ | ran vncserver in it | 17:03 |
| sandman_ | ran vncviewer on the non-chroot environment and connected to loopback | 17:04 |
| sandman_ | That's not a bad idea, although I think he could just spawn the application in the initial X session somehow | 17:04 |
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| geoffeg | I don't think I understand the power management on my Nokia 770. It has no real sleep mode, only "screen off" and "completely powered off"? | 17:07 |
| geoffeg | There's no way to turn off all wireless radios, screen and put the CPU into a sleep state? | 17:08 |
| pupnik | there is a fair amount of power saving in the wlan control | 17:08 |
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| Veggen | sleep state, no. What I find most effective is to first go into offline mode, then whatever sleep mode there is. | 17:08 |
| geoffeg | so going to "offline" mode and then putting the cover on is as good as it gets? | 17:08 |
| pupnik | yes that gives you days of standby power | 17:09 |
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| geoffeg | ok | 17:09 |
| cosmo_ | you can configure it to disconnect network when the cover is on | 17:09 |
| pupnik | or tap screen three times (connection icon, disconnect, ok) | 17:10 |
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| keesj | vnc allow you to use any application even if it is not hildonized | 17:33 |
| keesj | (keyboard input) | 17:33 |
| pupnik | it'd be nice if someone could hack the virtual keyboard to do xim | 17:36 |
| pupnik | bring it up with a button combo or icon, then type into any X app | 17:37 |
| pupnik | would be especially usefulfor emulators of course, where detecting a tap into an input field is not possible | 17:38 |
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| pupnik | created new account on maemo.org - that led me to the garage account creation page | 17:51 |
| pupnik | login with new account on garage works. login with new account on maemo.org does not work | 17:52 |
| pupnik | Username cowbot | 17:52 |
| pupnik | and no, reporting a bug on bugzilla is not an option, without a working account :) | 17:53 |
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| keesj | bugzilla is also standalone i think | 17:54 |
| pupnik | https://maemo.org/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi requires a valid account | 17:56 |
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| * rwhitby bought an n800 this morning. Now to see how to get it working with my NSLU2s and OpenMoko phone ... | 17:59 | |
| mgedmin | oooh, openmoko | 18:01 |
| keesj | and? | 18:01 |
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| keesj | does it work? | 18:01 |
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| rwhitby | keesj: unfortunately, I'm in Nice, and my NSLU2s and OpenMoko phone are in Adeliade. | 18:07 |
| part | pupnik: bugzilla accounts are separate from other maemo.org accounts | 18:08 |
| keesj | I know at some point I will have to get such a phone. my counter part thinks they are sexy | 18:10 |
| keesj | but for 350 I can have a psp and a ds :p | 18:11 |
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| part | keesj: or just a ds and a pile of games :) | 18:12 |
| keesj | part: I just love all that hardware . I have no time to really play ,all I really want is do geeky things on it | 18:13 |
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| keesj | I do like wormux, and of course xmoto :p | 18:14 |
| keesj | I tried to find somebody to compile xmoto fot he gp2x but failed :( | 18:14 |
| keesj | sorry for all that spam | 18:14 |
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| jku_ | hmm, bugzilla now requires an account just to see a bug? | 18:22 |
| jku_ | anyway, pupnik: http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1152 | 18:22 |
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| unique311 | hello all | 18:37 |
| keesj | Hi | 18:39 |
| unique311 | you own a gp2x? | 18:40 |
| unique311 | better than psp? | 18:40 |
| keesj | no, I was searching for fellow game developers | 18:41 |
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| unique311 | once again whats the res on the n800? | 19:05 |
| unique311 | 800x640 fullscreen? | 19:05 |
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| derf | 800x480 | 19:06 |
| keesj | 800x480 | 19:06 |
| keesj | yes! | 19:06 |
| unique311 | cool | 19:06 |
| unique311 | wonder if i can get horizontal and vertical frequency out of ya'll? | 19:07 |
| ||cw | frequency? | 19:08 |
| unique311 | guess that'll be for a real monitor.. | 19:09 |
| ||cw | yeah, not sure that applies directly | 19:09 |
| unique311 | k | 19:09 |
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| ||cw | whats it for? | 19:10 |
| unique311 | os8 | 19:11 |
| unique311 | a res program for it | 19:11 |
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| unique311 | i already know what i need to do to get fullscreen on it.. | 19:12 |
| unique311 | i read a guide.. | 19:12 |
| unique311 | but right now just messing with it internally...see if i can make changes from the control panel...or other apps.. | 19:13 |
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| geoffeg | digg doesn't work with the opera browser in the 770 :( | 19:18 |
| geoffeg | (i mean you can't digg a story) | 19:18 |
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| geoffeg | ah, going through a privoxy server helps the browsing experience. fewer ads, less bandwidth and images to grab for the browser | 19:45 |
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| jku_ | maemo.org is really fast now. Then again, all pages are 1 bytes long. | 20:25 |
| guru3 | -_- | 20:27 |
| `0660 | :) | 20:29 |
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| geoffeg | jku_: and a lot of them are 404 | 20:42 |
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| plaes | any themeing experts around? | 21:02 |
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| plaes | I would like to remove the background from the focused check box... | 21:03 |
| geoffeg | how does the 770 know it's cover is on the front? magnet? | 21:03 |
| Knirch | aye | 21:04 |
| fishor | please cann some one tell me, is 3.2006.49-2 = mistral or gregale | 21:09 |
| fishor | gregale! | 21:11 |
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| trevarthan | ummmm... is the maemo.org website down? Or is it just me? | 21:13 |
| shackan | it is | 21:13 |
| trevarthan | ah. | 21:13 |
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| trevarthan | Hey, I'm a decent Linux sys admin and a decent C/C++/etc programmer. I'm considering getting an n800 for web browsing, book reading, and SSH around the house instead of a bulky laptop. Is that a good idea? | 21:14 |
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| unique311 | hmmmm paris hilton rich, not a care in the world, white....jail time..... | 21:15 |
| trevarthan | I've got a MythTV box too, and I was thinking about helping out with the MythTV frontend project for the n800. | 21:15 |
| unique311 | yeah very good idea | 21:15 |
| trevarthan | How much storage space does it come with by default? | 21:16 |
| trevarthan | (I've been reading reviews, but I've seen some conflicting reports) | 21:16 |
| trevarthan | And does youtube still not work on it? | 21:16 |
| unique311 | 128 | 21:18 |
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| unique311 | mb | 21:18 |
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| unique311 | but then there's 2 sd slots | 21:19 |
| unique311 | so unlimited... | 21:19 |
| trevarthan | So it comes with 128M ram and 128M internal flash? Or is it just 128M altogether? | 21:19 |
| unique311 | depending on how much money you have to spend on cards | 21:19 |
| unique311 | lol | 21:19 |
| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: we already can play MythTV videos on the device D | 21:20 |
| MoRpHeUz | =D | 21:20 |
| unique311 | 128 fash and 128 internal right | 21:21 |
| pupnik | is mythtv good for streaming already stored video on the drive? | 21:21 |
| shackan | trevarthan, # Memory: 128 MB of RAM and 256 MB of flash memory. | 21:21 |
| unique311 | yeah i think thats it | 21:21 |
| trevarthan | Yeah, I've read your page MoRpHeUz. | 21:21 |
| trevarthan | oh, cool. How much of that flash does the OS take up by default? | 21:21 |
| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: =) .. we are doing the last tests here... | 21:21 |
| unique311 | like 3 percent | 21:22 |
| trevarthan | MoRpHeUz: How difficult is the frontend to test/install? Can I use it with 0.20, or do I need SVN? | 21:22 |
| MoRpHeUz | probably soon we'll have a .deb package to easily install everything | 21:22 |
| trevarthan | unique311: coolness... | 21:22 |
| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: you can use 0.20 | 21:22 |
| unique311 | don't quote me on none of my answers | 21:22 |
| unique311 | lol | 21:22 |
| pupnik | then we'll quote you on all of them | 21:22 |
| trevarthan | I'm not a reporter or an article writer. I'm a programmer. Strictly for personal use here. | 21:23 |
| MoRpHeUz | now we developed an add-on to mythtv that you'll run on a desktop (can be on the same machine as the mythbackend is running or another one) | 21:23 |
| unique311 | internettabletttalk | 21:23 |
| MoRpHeUz | and then you can watch recorded videos _and_ live tv on the device | 21:23 |
| unique311 | more info for ya trev | 21:24 |
| trevarthan | MoRpHeUz: Yeah, that's awesome. I think I'm sold. | 21:24 |
| pupnik | nice MoRpHeUz ... about 2/3 of my video on drive is too high resolution, so streaming that transcoded would be a good solution | 21:24 |
| unique311 | maemo.org also.... | 21:24 |
| unique311 | but its acting funny right now... | 21:24 |
| trevarthan | unique311: thanks. I've seen those sites a bit. | 21:24 |
| trevarthan | Hey, how is MySpace on the n800? Usable? My wife visits it a lot. She'll get a kick out of that if myspace works well. | 21:25 |
| unique311 | use my phone to spy on roomates...when i'm out... | 21:25 |
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| pupnik | trevarthan: resize a browser window to 800x470 and try it out | 21:26 |
| unique311 | use vncviewer on n800 to check out whats happening in the apartment... | 21:26 |
| unique311 | cool stuff | 21:26 |
| trevarthan | unique311: I've actually thought about using the n800 for the same thing. See what my dogs do when I'm not there and stuff. | 21:26 |
| MoRpHeUz | pupnik: yeah...we know...a lot of people has this "use case"...(even myself) | 21:26 |
| MoRpHeUz | hehe | 21:26 |
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| unique311 | my phone is a lousy 1.3 pixel camera phone | 21:27 |
| unique311 | hoping to get a better camera to use for this.. | 21:27 |
| MoRpHeUz | we are very concerned about the performance of transcoded live-tv... | 21:27 |
| MoRpHeUz | it's ticky ;-) | 21:27 |
| MoRpHeUz | tricky | 21:27 |
| pupnik | MoRpHeUz: what codec works best so far? | 21:27 |
| pupnik | for mplayer i can use mpeg* divx, xvid... up to 400x240 on the 770 | 21:28 |
| MoRpHeUz | pupnik: well, let's talk a little bit about this =P | 21:28 |
| MoRpHeUz | hehe | 21:28 |
| trevarthan | Can the n800 use usb keyboards? Or does it only work with bluetooth keyboards? | 21:28 |
| pupnik | you use gstreamer? | 21:28 |
| MoRpHeUz | pupnik: as we are doing something that needs to be playable by "default" on the device, we cant count with all this mplayer's codecs.. | 21:29 |
| ||cw | trevarthan: n800 has no host hardware like the 770 does | 21:29 |
| unique311 | usb keyboard via synergy....thanks pupnik....i would be lost without that little info | 21:29 |
| unique311 | well i would be down 99 dollars without that info.. | 21:29 |
| pupnik | np | 21:30 |
| MoRpHeUz | but you can watch with any player (gstreamer or mplayer - just the default "media player" doesnt play) | 21:30 |
| MoRpHeUz | (we are working on that also ;-) ) | 21:30 |
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| trevarthan | I might get a frogpad or an iGo or something. Oh cool, so I could use synergy with my existing wireless USB keyboard and my mythtv box in the living room... :) | 21:30 |
| pupnik | cool MoRpHeUz, just launch mplayer with the corrrect URL | 21:30 |
| MoRpHeUz | pupnik: and then you are able to modify the default options of transcoding which are mpeg1video for video codec and mp2 for audio codec | 21:31 |
| MoRpHeUz | pupnik: exactly | 21:31 |
| ||cw | MoRpHeUz: I use ffmpeg's mpeg4 and force the fourcc to DIVX | 21:31 |
| trevarthan | Does rdesktop work on the n800? | 21:31 |
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| unique311 | yes | 21:32 |
| unique311 | everything works don't it.. | 21:32 |
| MoRpHeUz | ||cw: yeah, but I couldnt find something that was playable with the default set of codecs...... | 21:32 |
| unique311 | the devs are pretty quick on fixing stuff also.. | 21:32 |
| trevarthan | alright, that's it. I'm buying one. Too freakin' cool. | 21:32 |
| MoRpHeUz | using mpeg4 | 21:32 |
| trevarthan | Thanks folks! | 21:32 |
| MoRpHeUz | ||cw: look that we are talking about streaming live content.. | 21:32 |
| pupnik | :) | 21:32 |
| MoRpHeUz | pupnik: but the quality is fine for live-tv... and for recorded videos we dont need to transcode.. | 21:33 |
| MoRpHeUz | (but you can if you want hehe) | 21:33 |
| trevarthan | OK, one last question: Do you guys know of any brick and mortar retail stores selling the n800? Or do I have to order online? | 21:33 |
| MoRpHeUz | do you guys use soapcast ? I was planning to add support for it.. | 21:33 |
| pupnik | i frequently capture PAL tv to 720x576, so yest i do need to transcode | 21:33 |
| MoRpHeUz | for sure..we are doing tests with dvb ;-) | 21:35 |
| pupnik | someday 16:9 800x450 would be nice to see :P | 21:35 |
| trevarthan | MoRpHeUz: hey man, how much bandwidth does that mythtv frontend use? | 21:35 |
| mgedmin | trevarthan: the n800 is *great* for e-books, usable (but not very convenient) for web browsing/ssh, has 256 megs of flash "hard disk" space (half of which is used by the OS) | 21:36 |
| myren_ | any you can add sd micro cards | 21:36 |
| ||cw | MoRpHeUz: for the 770, I use mp3 audio at 64kbps and 350kbps VBR video at 176:144 or 240:144 depending on aspect ratio. the 800 should handle higher, just make sure your resolution numbers are multiples of 16 | 21:36 |
| mgedmin | usb keyboards *might* work in the future (there were patches floating that add kernel support for usb host), but nobody got that working yet | 21:36 |
| mgedmin | I wouldn't hold my breath | 21:36 |
| myren_ | which are 1GB 2GB easy | 21:36 |
| myren_ | there is still no usb host? | 21:37 |
| myren_ | good fricking lord! | 21:37 |
| mgedmin | the n800 has 2 full-size SD slots | 21:37 |
| mgedmin | I've a 4 GB SD card in one of those | 21:37 |
| ||cw | trevarthan: compusa had them here until they closed up shop | 21:37 |
| myren_ | i would've expect taht @#$@#$ was fixed _ages_ ago | 21:37 |
| trevarthan | mgedmin: why isn't it convenient for web browsing? That's probably going to be my primary use. Mainly research on wikipedia, etc. | 21:37 |
| mgedmin | there's an unofficial kernel patch that adds SDHC support | 21:37 |
| mgedmin | trevarthan: tiny screen, no keyboard, no mouse wheel, the browser is not very fast | 21:37 |
| mgedmin | it isn't convenient when compared to a laptop that's sitting right next to you | 21:37 |
| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: our tests show that it was playing great with 100 Kb/s (playing inside intranet)..very fast....low bandwith.. | 21:37 |
| pupnik | i think web browsing is best in the world for a pocket device | 21:38 |
| mgedmin | it is much more convenient than any other mobile device I know | 21:38 |
| mgedmin | or when you're traveling without a laptop in an area that has free ubiquitous WiFi (e.g. CERN) | 21:38 |
| ||cw | there was a list email that implied that usb host support is not in the chipset itself | 21:38 |
| trevarthan | MoRpHeUz: so, it would work OK over the internet on a 256k up link then, right? | 21:38 |
| MoRpHeUz | ||cw: yeah, I did a lot of tests with it hehe | 21:38 |
| mgedmin | cw: there were other posts that pointed out the specs for the usb chipset have support for USB On-the-go | 21:38 |
| mgedmin | I'm just confused, but some people haven't given up hope yet | 21:39 |
| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: need to test it, but I should guess it would work.. | 21:39 |
| ||cw | mgedmin: yeah, and my cingular 2125 has wifi support in the chipset...except it was removed. support CAN be removed to save pins and power. | 21:39 |
| mgedmin | trevarthan: last time I checked youtube sort-of-worked, but audio was skipping and video was increasingly more-and-more lagging | 21:40 |
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| trevarthan | mgedmin: Thing that bugs me about laptops is 1.) the cords, 2.) the batt life, 3.) difficult to stand up and use, 4.) uncomfortable to sit down and use on couch, 5.) can't lay down and hold overhead like a book while reading. | 21:40 |
| trevarthan | I assume I can do all of that with the n800, right? | 21:40 |
| mgedmin | ||cw: I think "USB host support" is on the official nokia todo-list for the n800, so I assume the hardware is there | 21:40 |
| MoRpHeUz | trevarthan: batt life is short when using wifi for a long period of time | 21:40 |
| bill20r3 | I wish they'd hurry | 21:40 |
| trevarthan | mgedmin: so youtube still isn't working well. Do they plan to fix that? Or is there just not enough CPU? | 21:41 |
| mgedmin | a n800 is basically a laptop replacement for me | 21:41 |
| ||cw | mgedmin: maybe what i read was worded wrong | 21:41 |
| mgedmin | I trade convenience (large screen/full-size keyboard) for mobility (fits in a shirt pocket, yay!) | 21:41 |
| ||cw | trevarthan: n800 is only like 3 hours battery on constant use wifi | 21:41 |
| trevarthan | That's plenty. | 21:42 |
| mgedmin | yeah, I charge my n800 once or twice a day | 21:42 |
| mgedmin | but then I constantly read books on it | 21:42 |
| pupnik | battery life is most dependent on screen brightness = i get 5-7 hours on the n770 | 21:42 |
| ||cw | and is equivelent to a laptop | 21:42 |
| trevarthan | My laptop only got about an hour max. | 21:42 |
| pupnik | then again, i don't use devices under the 'day star' | 21:43 |
| ||cw | so get a better battery | 21:43 |
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| trevarthan | I think I like the n800 because it's cheap enough to replace every few years too. Laptops are still too expensive for me. | 21:45 |
| pupnik | plus you can take the n800 to the bathroom so it doesn't get stolen | 21:46 |
| trevarthan | :) | 21:47 |
| pupnik | if you have a significant other, you might look into two used 770s instead | 21:48 |
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| trevarthan | 770s aren't exactly half as cheap ($300?), and I think my wife won't have any trouble using mine. I'll finally be able to play xbox 360 while she irons her hair and watches MythTV. :) | 21:50 |
| trevarthan | But the real beauty is how easy it will be to take out of town and to coffee shops. much easier than a laptop. | 21:51 |
| trevarthan | I'll probably buy one from walmart online. | 21:52 |
| Veggen | trevarthan: I went to a two week holiday and conference, with just the 770. It was awkward enough that I wasn't tempted to sitting around nerding all the time, but good enough that I could easily read webmail, use it for hotel/travel research, maemo mapper was useful, etc. | 21:52 |
| sandman_ | Anyone else getting the "Unable to complete secure transaction" error messages? | 21:53 |
| trevarthan | Yeah, I'll definitely use it for maps and such. Does it have a suspend function? Can you turn it off and back on and save the app state? | 21:53 |
| Veggen | trevarthan: Not real suspend as such, but on "soft sleep" it will last for some days (if you remember to put it in offline mode first) | 21:54 |
| trevarthan | and you can bring it out of soft sleep with all of your apps still running? | 21:54 |
| Veggen | yes. | 21:54 |
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| trevarthan | yeah, sounds perfect. | 21:54 |
| trevarthan | anyway, I'm gonna go hunt one down. Thanks folks! | 21:55 |
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| sandman_ | Yeah I cannot access any https:// sites with my N80 | 21:57 |
| sandman_ | n800, even. It keeps complaining about "certificate cannot identify the server" and such | 21:57 |
| sandman_ | And maemo.org doesn't even load at all | 21:58 |
| Veggen | sounds like your certificate list is screwed up. | 21:58 |
| sandman_ | I have no certificates | 21:59 |
| sandman_ | I'm looking at the certificate manager | 21:59 |
| sp3000 | google sez reboot | 21:59 |
| sandman_ | k | 22:00 |
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| sandman_ | still no good | 22:05 |
| sandman_ | And pressing the details button doesn't do anything | 22:06 |
| sp3000 | did you have charger conected? | 22:06 |
| unique311 | pupnik..... | 22:06 |
| sp3000 | sandman_: example of any site | 22:06 |
| unique311 | the gp2x basiliskII src compiles withouth any modifications of the src | 22:06 |
| sandman_ | Yeah I have a charger connected | 22:07 |
| sp3000 | sandman_: then it doesn't reboot all that far | 22:07 |
| sandman_ | I see. | 22:07 |
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| richardg1953 | can a zImage be directly flashed, or must it be converted to .bin? | 22:10 |
| pulsar_ | hi there | 22:11 |
| pulsar_ | can anyone give me a hand regarding the SDK setup? i have setup up scratchbox on a fresh ubuntu installation and have some troubles using the maemo-sdk-install script. | 22:13 |
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| pupnik | unique311: is there a webpage that says the gp2x basilisk II has been optimized for ARM cpus? | 22:15 |
| pupnik | that's the only reason to look at gp2x sources instead of standard ones | 22:15 |
| unique311 | looking for it... | 22:16 |
| pulsar_ | for some reason apt-get has troubles resolving repository.maemo.org although it is resolveable by other tools | 22:16 |
| unique311 | well the src compile withouth no issues.. | 22:17 |
| unique311 | the zaurus src didn't | 22:17 |
| unique311 | one issue..which was the sigserv...still get the sigerv handler error...but the emu runs... | 22:17 |
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| pupnik | nice | 22:23 |
| lodxcol | can anyone tell me where the page would be to download the latest os for my Nokia 770? | 22:23 |
| pupnik | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/gregale/ | 22:25 |
| lodxcol | which one would I download? I need to re-flash my 770 | 22:25 |
| pupnik | hmm that's not the image for the flasher | 22:25 |
| lodxcol | also, is there a specific flashing program I need? | 22:26 |
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| pupnik | lodxcol: the instructions page linked by google appears to be down | 22:27 |
| pupnik | but you can use the cache'd page | 22:27 |
| lodxcol | where's that? | 22:27 |
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| pupnik | http://ln-s.net/UxB | 22:27 |
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| lodxcol | can the re-flash process be done on a Windows PC? | 22:29 |
| gla55 | nokias official for consumers flasher/updater is a windows gui app | 22:30 |
| gla55 | linked from nokias 770 page methinks | 22:30 |
| tigert | yeah | 22:30 |
| tigert | there is a windows flasher | 22:30 |
| tigert | then for l33t hax0rz there is the linux/osx flasher | 22:30 |
| kulve | nokia.com/770 | 22:30 |
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| kulve | there's the official stuff and that's windows based | 22:31 |
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| lodxcol | oh, maemo is for the leet people ;) | 22:33 |
| koen | tigert: and there's 0xFFFF | 22:35 |
| tigert | yeah | 22:35 |
| tigert | does it work ok? | 22:35 |
| tigert | havent tried it yet | 22:35 |
| tigert | the backup of flash feature sounds very useful | 22:36 |
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| richardg1953 | will flasher-3.0 accept a zImage kernel or must it be in bin format? | 22:37 |
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