IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2007-05-08

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unique311why natively....os8 at that...00:00
unique311think maemo out do os8 by a long shot..00:00
unique311just fun to emulate stuff00:01
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unique311i like intels (pretty much) maemo OS00:01
Tak|workemulation gives access to a huge number of apps by only porting/writing one00:02
unique311any apps for osx that allows you to make empty dsk or hfv files00:05
||cwdisk manager?00:05
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unique311disk utility doesn't have an option to do so..00:08
unique311which sucks00:08
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unique311going to try to upgrade to 8.1 with these steps
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TimRikereep! I did something, and my n800 restarted. now all the scrollbars are missing. display is messed.00:21
TimRikerany ide how to recover? I tried changing themes, and that did not help.00:22
TimRikerer idea...00:22
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TimRikercan you nuke the .osso directory and restart or something? keyboard, scrollbars, etc, all messed up.00:26
TimRikerpower cycle did not help.00:26
Tak|workare you connected to AC?00:28
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Tak|workit doesn't do a full power cycle then - try unplugging and cycling00:31
TimRikerno joy.00:32
TimRikerI get the three icons on the left, but just on a white block that goes all the way up and down. the "task switcher" part is gone.00:33
TimRikerall the home page sections have no window borders, and no white. so the rss window for example has an almost unreadable title as it's gray text on the normal blue/gray background.00:34
TimRikerthe time, radio, etc all all similarly messed up.00:34
TimRikerthere are no scrollbars anywhere.00:34
unique311that happened to me last week00:35
unique311when i did a rm -R /usr /etc00:35
TimRikerhehe. nice. I didn't do that nor do I want to.00:35
TimRikerNokia-N800-51:~# ldconfig00:36
TimRikerldconfig: /usr/lib/ is not a symbolic link00:36
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kakosTimRiker: Is that causing you problems?00:38
kakosTimRiker: That's usually an ignorable warning.00:38
TimRikerdunno. just fixed it and restarted.00:38
TimRikernope. fixing it didn't help.00:39
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TimRikercrap crap crap00:41
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TimRikerrestarting X reboots the device. can I launch the desktop remotely? I don't want to try radical changes and make it worse if I need the ui to get the network running.00:47
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ferdoes anyone know how to configure the default keyboard language (console) in debian?00:58
ferI installed it as en_us.. but I'm using a different keyboard...00:59
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jonnylambfer: setxkbmap en_GB or whatever01:06
jonnylambfer: and for locales in debian: dpkg-reconfigure locales01:07
ferjonnylamb,  thanks... it's that seccond one.. :)01:08
jonnylambfer: although you're not really in the right chhannel i think. #debian on OFTC would be better01:08
feri know.. :)01:08
jonnylambumm, right01:08
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|tbb|anyone playing smb on nintendo in his youth? i bet u where not able to beat that levels01:14
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sandman_So why isn't a standard apt-get dist-upgrade possible with the N800?02:14
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TimRikersandman_: good question. I'd like to know that too. :)02:28
TimRikercourse you'd need a lot of tmp space.02:28
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unique311feedback on the basiliskII running os8...anyone?04:19
unique311if you are a fan, place this link on your bookmarks.....lots of goodies for macintosh
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jwb_gonehm.. where is the xchat repo?04:36
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geoffegshould i install the openssh server and client or the dropbear one?05:10
unique311which one tickles your fancy..05:18
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sandmanEvenin all05:35
unique311updated to os8.105:35
unique311i'm about to push it to the limit..05:36
unique311gonna update until it crashes...hopefully at 9.something05:36
sandmanI just got my n80005:36
unique311you want basiliskII running on it?05:36
sandmanIs there a way to do development for the n800 on the n800?05:37
unique311cross compile...i think..05:38
sandmanWhat's that?05:38
unique311k, i will hook you up with lots of links..05:38
unique311i'm not a dev...05:38
unique311so i cannot explain in detail everything..05:38
unique311good place to start05:39
unique311 should pretty much explain everything....05:40
unique311and when the devs are active in here..they will be able to help you out even more..05:40
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unique311he helped me out alot...05:43
unique311but the site will05:44
unique311to get you started...05:44
unique311if you have vmware...05:44
sandmanWon't Debian-arm run in a chroot?05:45
sandmanI use qemu usually05:45
unique311don't know....the only way i know apps get compiled for use with 770/800 is via scratchbox..05:45
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* richardg1953 just setup sbox and compiled al kernel-source-rx-34-2.6.18. tried to run menuconfig but it blows up in scratchbox. Is menuconfig supposed to work within sbox? 05:53
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lodxcolhi, anyone available?06:17
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* pupnik is back, with 5 cases of ramen06:37
Taknow you don't have to leave the house for a week06:39
pupnik:) that's the plan06:43
unique311got synergy to work...06:46
unique311now i can play with basilisk06:47
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unique311open a few ports miracles happen..06:47
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pupnikthat synergy client could be improved06:51
pupnika) invokable on desktop or toolbar or menu app (i'd prefer an icon like the bluetooth plugin)06:52
pupnikb) synergy set the X cursor away from transparent when invoked, and return it to transparent when killed06:52
pupnikc) set maemo-gtk-im-switch xim when invoked and back to virtual when killed06:54
pupnikd) preferences/startup menu with host to connect to06:54
pupnike) settable in preferences - disable dimming/blanking timeout when active06:55
unique311im happy07:00
unique311i can type07:00
unique311big help07:00
unique311especially for this emu07:00
pupnikall the old mac heads will love it07:01
unique311did you get the binary?07:02
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pupniknot yet07:02
gla55pupnik you take speed or wtf?07:02
unique311everything is in there07:02
unique311if you want to upgrade to 8.107:03
unique311its simple07:03
gla55you seem to be active all the time07:03
pupnikjust ramen, coffee and beer for mee :)07:03
gla55isn't that what they cook meth from07:04
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unique311ramen is some good shit...07:05
unique311but bad for you...07:05
unique311well not really good shit, but good stuff...07:05
pupnikit was hard to get around here, but this russian store started stocking a few brands, so now i buy one of each07:07
pupnikramen review site:
gla55i like "mama" and blue dragon brands07:10
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gla55i usually throw in some frozen veggies07:10
pupnikmama uses wheat-tapioca based noodles, thicker than regular ramen with a chewiness much like korean instant noodles07:11
gla55the supermarkets around here carry usually 2-4 brands07:11
* pupnik will look for blue dragon07:12
gla55it's a bit more expensive.. not that much07:12
gla55i think it tries to be a "quality" brand.. they got sauces etc etc with the same brand..07:12
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gla55ah well, i should go get some more sleep since i managed to get home..07:13
pupnikyeah prices can vary greatly07:13
pupnikok cu07:13
pupnikman the ebay guys want 2 euro for one package of nissin07:18
pupnikoh 3 pkgs nm07:18
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pupnik  the only way to fly (sfw)07:46
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inzCIA works again!09:08
* pupnik salutes inz09:12
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pupnikwhat do you use for?09:13
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pupnikstill cant log in to maemo.org09:53
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pupniki need to submit changes to
partmaybe learning to spell might help09:56
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pupnikpart, can you explain that?10:06
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fishorhallo lezy web ;). may be you can halp me. i trying to build package for gregale but i getting "configure: error: cannot compute sizeof (unsigned short), 77" if i use dpkg-buildpackage10:24
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fishorif i try just ./configure there is no problem.10:25
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alumpis 2.2 sdk rootstrap anywhere to be found, all links pointing it on the new site are like "ext:something" or "site:something"10:31
maddlermorning all...10:35
alumpok, found it under the repository10:35
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florian_hi maddler10:41
pupnikfishor: i think unsigned short is two bytes but i don't know what auto* tool is breaking10:44
fishori made a diff of two config.log10:45
fishorpupnik, and there is some difference like ac_cv_c_const=yes10:47
fishorauto* don't do this ac_cv_c_const10:49
fishorand some more10:49
JaffaMorning, all10:52
koengood morning mister Flegg10:53
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pupnikfishor: let us know what the answer is when you find it - autoconf is not easy10:58
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* Jaffa was going to have a long rant in response to quim about the evils about fixed width web design, especially when Nokia are shipping a small screen device with oft-used zoom functionality, but really couldn't be arsed...11:00
pupniki'd like to know a simple way for server to query browser window size11:08
pupniki tried some javascript hacks - you can open new windows with a certain size11:09
inzrule number one: don't open new windows11:09
inzrule number two: don't resize existing windows11:09
inz(rule number three: don't use javascript ;)11:10
tigertJaffa: I know11:10
tigertJaffa: but its not a simple thing11:10
pupnikhtml was never really meant to make things look correct and good11:10
tigertJaffa: its easier to design stuff with a certain width :P11:10
tigertCSS exists to make things correct and good11:11
* pupnik agrees with tigert 11:11
zuhtigert: You should make it a pdf then ;)11:11
tigertbut its very hard to design with a stretching paper size :)11:11
jku__fullscreen jpeg works too11:11
jku__tigert, fixed-width isn't without problems either: it often breaks down when people use different font sizes11:13
inzjku, scanned photograph of a printout of the jpeg on a wooden table11:13
jku__example: new maemo bugzilla11:13
tigertjku__: yep11:13
tigertwell, good suggestions on how to do it better are welcome11:13
sp3000hmm, my browser defaults fonts aren't egregiously large or anything, but the "documentation - tutorials - ..." thing wraps and "" doesn't fit11:14
tigertthe problem is the page looks like arse on wide browser11:14
jku__same here, sp300011:14
sp3000also, I can't type11:14
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sp3000eek, a bashism11:15
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AD-N770good morning / bon dia from Barcelona11:36
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fishoranybody cnow how to replace quilt. my problem package use quilt for autoconf11:48
fishormay be it bracke the config11:48
kulvefishor: take the quilt from debian. Remove doc stuff (debian/{rules,control}. Compile. Install.11:50
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unique311hey pupnik12:55
unique311you around12:55
unique311i just made a major discovery12:55
unique311well not major but can benefit12:55
unique311anyone around12:56
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tigertsubmit a bug to bugzilla?13:09
X-Fadetigert: Did you see my new mockup for the planet?13:13
unique311not a bug13:13
tigertX-Fade: no?13:14
unique311i just found a whole dev src folder for some old macintosh stuff..maybe with some mod we can bring some old apps to the maemo..13:14
tigertunique311: oh ah, totally misunderstood you :)13:14
unique311but i'm not sure...unix linux....possible?13:14
unique311arm, ppc, 680x013:15
unique311all this stuff gives me a headache13:15
unique311looking at a flight sim src code....13:16
unique311i don't see a configure file..13:16
unique311or makefile13:16
X-Fadetigert: I widened the posts and made de first one a bit narrower..13:16
tigertX-Fade: nice13:17
X-Fadetigert: So all images/videos should fit withing the bubble..13:17
tigertX-Fade: we are thinking of dropping the right side nav13:17
tigertand making it perhaps a pulldown or something (but this is still in a flux)13:17
tigertthe sidenav just takes too much space because most of the pages are tall13:17
tigertX-Fade: but yeah13:17
tigertthat would work too13:17
X-FadeYeah, this is a small fix. Drop down menus is the next step, I guess ;)13:18
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X-FadeIt's too bad that only a small fraction of the code is in svn. I can't access all code to try some things out :(13:19
tigert < that is a bit too geeky :)13:19
X-FadeHehe, yeah you don't want to wear that in public :)13:21
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bilboeddepends, they should have written in bright orange "PINCH THIS" on it :)13:28
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tigertX-Fade: my impression too :)13:55
tigertor through airport security13:55
inzBoo, no dropdowns14:00
inzDropdowns be teh curse of intertubes14:00
keesjtigert the video is so sexy!14:01
keesjI am gonna buy one for my girlfriend14:02
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onionany eta on when the new site will work ok ?14:23
Knirchkeesj: you're calling thoughtfix sexy? :D14:23
onionI'm getting "Fatal error: Call to a member function on a non-object in /var/cache/midgard/midgard/7-49-18-0.php on line 54" for some pages14:26
maddleronion: I simply can't access at all here...14:43
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|tbb|how can i determine my batterylevel in percent?15:09
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keesjKnirch yes15:30
VReAre hildon libs available for desktop as .deb's somewhere?15:30
zuh <- Fatal!15:36
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ptmansomething like would be very useful15:54
`0660_what would you expect it to provide?15:56
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jkuptman, isn't that
jkuit doesn't have the package search engine though16:01
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jkuthat might be useful16:01
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bergiejku: feel free to file a feature request :-)16:09
inzbergie, is there a way to get wiki pages out in some other format than html?16:10
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bergieinz: RSS (but that is HTML too)16:10
bergiewhat would you like to do with the raw Markdown?16:10
inzbergie, parse it to get list of repositories that I can scrawl ;)16:11
inzbergie, see:
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zyxulnagais there any specific reason why hildon overides the STYLE I supply to it within my GTK code? More specifically it seems to ignore the progress bar background color change but it allows the foreground color change16:38
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sandman_Anyone know how to force the N800 to reboot?16:45
sandman_Mine's frozen @ the Nokia screen16:45
pupnikif holding down the power button doesn't work, remove battery16:45
sandman_I cannot remove the battery very easily16:46
sandman_In fact I still can't16:46
sandman_Is there some sort of trick to it16:46
pupnik<- 77016:46
sandman_I bent one of my fingernails back already...16:46
sandman_Kinda hurt16:46
bilboedsandman_, slap it out16:47
zyxulnagapush it backward with the stick16:47
bilboedusing fingernails is crazy16:47
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sandman_That worked much nicer16:49
sandman_So, does chroot work?16:49
sandman_Or perhaps is there a way to get it to work?16:49
pupnikchroot?  what for?16:50
pupnikrunning dangerous apps?16:50
sandman_FOr installing debian-arm16:52
sandman_On a large SD card, that is16:52
sandman_debootstrap it onto the SD card16:52
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pupnikinteresting, that works?  put a nokia kernel on there and you can run deb-arm apps?16:56
sandman_I'll bet16:56
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sandman_I just need to get chroot and debootstrap16:56
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keesjsandman_: you have seen this one
sandman_I did now17:03
sandman_So basically he made a chroot17:03
sandman_ran vncserver in it17:03
sandman_ran vncviewer on the non-chroot environment and connected to loopback17:04
sandman_That's not a bad idea, although I think he could just spawn the application in the initial X session somehow17:04
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geoffegI don't think I understand the power management on my Nokia 770. It has no real sleep mode, only "screen off" and "completely powered off"?17:07
geoffegThere's no way to turn off all wireless radios, screen and put the CPU into a sleep state?17:08
pupnikthere is a fair amount of power saving in the wlan control17:08
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Veggensleep state, no. What I find most effective is to first go into offline mode, then whatever sleep mode there is.17:08
geoffegso going to "offline" mode and then putting the cover on is as good as it gets?17:08
pupnikyes that gives you days of standby power17:09
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cosmo_you can configure it to disconnect network when the cover is on17:09
pupnikor tap screen three times (connection icon, disconnect, ok)17:10
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keesjvnc allow you to use any application even if it is not hildonized17:33
keesj(keyboard input)17:33
pupnikit'd be nice if someone could hack the virtual keyboard to do xim17:36
pupnikbring it up with a button combo or icon, then type into any X app17:37
pupnikwould be especially usefulfor emulators of course, where detecting a tap into an input field is not possible17:38
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pupnikcreated new account on - that led me to the garage account creation page17:51
pupniklogin with new account on garage works.  login with new account on does not work17:52
pupnikUsername cowbot17:52
pupnikand no, reporting a bug on bugzilla is not an option, without a working account :)17:53
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keesjbugzilla is also standalone i think17:54
pupnik  requires a valid account17:56
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* rwhitby bought an n800 this morning. Now to see how to get it working with my NSLU2s and OpenMoko phone ...17:59
mgedminoooh, openmoko18:01
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keesjdoes it work?18:01
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rwhitbykeesj: unfortunately, I'm in Nice, and my NSLU2s and OpenMoko phone are in Adeliade.18:07
partpupnik: bugzilla accounts are separate from other accounts18:08
keesjI know at some point I will have to get such a phone. my counter part thinks they are sexy18:10
keesjbut for 350 I can have a psp and a ds :p18:11
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partkeesj: or just a ds and a pile of games :)18:12
keesjpart: I just love all that hardware . I have no time to really play ,all I really want is do geeky things on it18:13
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keesjI do like wormux, and of course xmoto :p18:14
keesjI tried to find somebody to compile xmoto fot he gp2x but failed :(18:14
keesjsorry for all that spam18:14
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jku_hmm, bugzilla now requires an account just to see a bug?18:22
jku_anyway, pupnik:
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unique311hello all18:37
unique311you own a gp2x?18:40
unique311better than psp?18:40
keesjno, I was searching for fellow game developers18:41
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unique311once again whats the res on the n800?19:05
unique311800x640 fullscreen?19:05
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unique311wonder if i can get horizontal and vertical frequency out of ya'll?19:07
unique311guess that'll be for a real monitor..19:09
||cwyeah, not sure that applies directly19:09
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||cwwhats it for?19:10
unique311a res program for it19:11
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unique311i already know what i need to do to get fullscreen on it..19:12
unique311i read a guide..19:12
unique311but right now just messing with it internally...see if i can make changes from the control panel...or other apps..19:13
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geoffegdigg doesn't work with the opera browser in the 770 :(19:18
geoffeg(i mean you can't digg a story)19:18
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geoffegah, going through a privoxy server helps the browsing experience. fewer ads, less bandwidth and images to grab for the browser19:45
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geoffegjku_: and a lot of them are 40420:42
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plaesany themeing experts around?21:02
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plaesI would like to remove the background from the focused check box...21:03
geoffeghow does the 770 know it's cover is on the front? magnet?21:03
fishorplease cann some one tell me, is 3.2006.49-2 = mistral or gregale21:09
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trevarthanummmm... is the website down? Or is it just me?21:13
shackanit is21:13
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trevarthanHey, I'm a decent Linux sys admin and a decent C/C++/etc programmer. I'm considering getting an n800 for web browsing, book reading, and SSH around the house instead of a bulky laptop. Is that a good idea?21:14
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unique311hmmmm paris hilton rich, not a care in the world, white....jail time.....21:15
trevarthanI've got a MythTV box too, and I was thinking about helping out with the MythTV frontend project for the n800.21:15
unique311yeah very good idea21:15
trevarthanHow much storage space does it come with by default?21:16
trevarthan(I've been reading reviews, but I've seen some conflicting reports)21:16
trevarthanAnd does youtube still not work on it?21:16
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unique311but then there's 2 sd slots21:19
unique311so unlimited...21:19
trevarthanSo it comes with 128M ram and 128M internal flash? Or is it just 128M altogether?21:19
unique311depending on how much money you have to spend on cards21:19
MoRpHeUztrevarthan: we already can play MythTV videos on the device D21:20
unique311128 fash and 128 internal right21:21
pupnikis mythtv good for streaming already stored video on the drive?21:21
shackantrevarthan, # Memory: 128 MB of RAM and 256 MB of flash memory.21:21
unique311yeah i think thats it21:21
trevarthanYeah, I've read your page MoRpHeUz.21:21
trevarthanoh, cool. How much of that flash does the OS take up by default?21:21
MoRpHeUztrevarthan: =) .. we are doing the last tests here...21:21
unique311like 3 percent21:22
trevarthanMoRpHeUz: How difficult is the frontend to test/install? Can I use it with 0.20, or do I need SVN?21:22
MoRpHeUzprobably soon we'll have a .deb package to easily install everything21:22
trevarthanunique311: coolness...21:22
MoRpHeUztrevarthan: you can use 0.2021:22
unique311don't quote me on none of my answers21:22
pupnikthen we'll quote you on all of them21:22
trevarthanI'm not a reporter or an article writer. I'm a programmer. Strictly for personal use here.21:23
MoRpHeUznow we developed an add-on to mythtv that you'll run on a desktop (can be on the same machine as the mythbackend is running or another one)21:23
MoRpHeUzand then you can watch recorded videos _and_ live tv on the device21:23
unique311more info for ya trev21:24
trevarthanMoRpHeUz: Yeah, that's awesome. I think I'm sold.21:24
pupniknice MoRpHeUz ... about 2/3 of my video on drive is too high resolution, so streaming that transcoded would be a good solution21:24 also....21:24
unique311but its acting funny right now...21:24
trevarthanunique311: thanks. I've seen those sites a bit.21:24
trevarthanHey, how is MySpace on the n800? Usable? My wife visits it a lot. She'll get a kick out of that if myspace works well.21:25
unique311use my phone to spy on roomates...when i'm out...21:25
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pupniktrevarthan: resize a browser window to 800x470 and try it out21:26
unique311use vncviewer on n800 to check out whats happening in the apartment...21:26
unique311cool stuff21:26
trevarthanunique311: I've actually thought about using the n800 for the same thing. See what my dogs do when I'm not there and stuff.21:26
MoRpHeUzpupnik: yeah...we know...a lot of people has this "use case"...(even myself)21:26
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unique311my phone is a lousy 1.3 pixel camera phone21:27
unique311hoping to get a better camera to use for this..21:27
MoRpHeUzwe are very concerned about the performance of transcoded live-tv...21:27
MoRpHeUzit's ticky ;-)21:27
pupnikMoRpHeUz: what codec works best so far?21:27
pupnikfor mplayer i can use mpeg* divx, xvid... up to 400x240 on the 77021:28
MoRpHeUzpupnik: well, let's talk a little bit about this =P21:28
trevarthanCan the n800 use usb keyboards? Or does it only work with bluetooth keyboards?21:28
pupnikyou use gstreamer?21:28
MoRpHeUzpupnik: as we are doing something that needs to be playable by "default" on the device, we cant count with all this mplayer's codecs..21:29
||cwtrevarthan: n800 has no host hardware like the 770 does21:29
unique311usb keyboard via synergy....thanks pupnik....i would be lost without that little info21:29
unique311well i would be down 99 dollars without that info..21:29
MoRpHeUzbut you can watch with any player (gstreamer or mplayer - just the default "media player" doesnt play)21:30
MoRpHeUz(we are working on that also ;-) )21:30
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trevarthanI might get a frogpad or an iGo or something. Oh cool, so I could use synergy with my existing wireless USB keyboard and my mythtv box in the living room... :)21:30
pupnikcool MoRpHeUz, just launch mplayer with the corrrect URL21:30
MoRpHeUzpupnik: and then you are able to modify the default options of transcoding which are mpeg1video for video codec and mp2 for audio codec21:31
MoRpHeUzpupnik: exactly21:31
||cwMoRpHeUz: I use ffmpeg's mpeg4 and force the fourcc to DIVX21:31
trevarthanDoes rdesktop work on the n800?21:31
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unique311everything works don't it..21:32
MoRpHeUz||cw: yeah, but I couldnt find something that was playable with the default set of codecs......21:32
unique311the devs are pretty quick on fixing stuff also..21:32
trevarthanalright, that's it. I'm buying one. Too freakin' cool.21:32
MoRpHeUzusing mpeg421:32
trevarthanThanks folks!21:32
MoRpHeUz||cw: look that we are talking about streaming live content..21:32
MoRpHeUzpupnik: but the quality is fine for live-tv... and for recorded videos we dont need to transcode..21:33
MoRpHeUz(but you can if you want hehe)21:33
trevarthanOK, one last question: Do you guys know of any brick and mortar retail stores selling the n800? Or do I have to order online?21:33
MoRpHeUzdo you guys use soapcast ? I was planning to add support for it..21:33
pupniki frequently capture PAL tv to 720x576, so yest i do need to transcode21:33
MoRpHeUzfor sure..we are doing tests with dvb ;-)21:35
pupniksomeday 16:9 800x450 would be nice to see :P21:35
trevarthanMoRpHeUz: hey man, how much bandwidth does that mythtv frontend use?21:35
mgedmintrevarthan: the n800 is *great* for e-books, usable (but not very convenient) for web browsing/ssh, has 256 megs of flash "hard disk" space (half of which is used by the OS)21:36
myren_any you can add sd micro cards21:36
||cwMoRpHeUz: for the 770, I use mp3 audio at 64kbps and 350kbps VBR video at 176:144 or 240:144 depending on aspect ratio.  the 800 should handle higher, just make sure your resolution numbers are multiples of 1621:36
mgedminusb keyboards *might* work in the future (there were patches floating that add kernel support for usb host), but nobody got that working yet21:36
mgedminI wouldn't hold my breath21:36
myren_which are 1GB 2GB easy21:36
myren_there is still no usb host?21:37
myren_good fricking lord!21:37
mgedminthe n800 has 2 full-size SD slots21:37
mgedminI've a 4 GB SD card in one of those21:37
||cwtrevarthan: compusa had them here until they closed up shop21:37
myren_i would've expect taht @#$@#$ was fixed _ages_ ago21:37
trevarthanmgedmin: why isn't it convenient for web browsing? That's probably going to be my primary use. Mainly research on wikipedia, etc.21:37
mgedminthere's an unofficial kernel patch that adds SDHC support21:37
mgedmintrevarthan: tiny screen, no keyboard, no mouse wheel, the browser is not very fast21:37
mgedminit isn't convenient when compared to a laptop that's sitting right next to you21:37
MoRpHeUztrevarthan: our tests show that it was playing great with 100 Kb/s (playing inside intranet)..very fast....low bandwith..21:37
pupniki think web browsing is best in the world for a pocket device21:38
mgedminit is much more convenient than any other mobile device I know21:38
mgedminor when you're traveling without a laptop in an area that has free ubiquitous WiFi (e.g. CERN)21:38
||cwthere was a list email that implied that usb host support is not in the chipset itself21:38
trevarthanMoRpHeUz: so, it would work OK over the internet on a 256k up link then, right?21:38
MoRpHeUz||cw: yeah, I did a lot of tests with it hehe21:38
mgedmincw: there were other posts that pointed out the specs for the usb chipset have support for USB On-the-go21:38
mgedminI'm just confused, but some people haven't given up hope yet21:39
MoRpHeUztrevarthan: need to test it, but I should guess it would work..21:39
||cwmgedmin: yeah, and my cingular 2125 has wifi support in the chipset...except it was removed.  support CAN be removed to save pins and power.21:39
mgedmintrevarthan: last time I checked youtube sort-of-worked, but audio was skipping and video was increasingly more-and-more lagging21:40
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trevarthanmgedmin: Thing that bugs me about laptops is 1.) the cords, 2.) the batt life, 3.) difficult to stand up and use, 4.) uncomfortable to sit down and use on couch, 5.) can't lay down and hold overhead like a book while reading.21:40
trevarthanI assume I can do all of that with the n800, right?21:40
mgedmin||cw: I think "USB host support" is on the official nokia todo-list for the n800, so I assume the hardware is there21:40
MoRpHeUztrevarthan: batt life is short when using wifi for a long period of time21:40
bill20r3I wish they'd hurry21:40
trevarthanmgedmin: so youtube still isn't working well. Do they plan to fix that? Or is there just not enough CPU?21:41
mgedmina n800 is basically a laptop replacement for me21:41
||cwmgedmin: maybe what i read was worded wrong21:41
mgedminI trade convenience (large screen/full-size keyboard) for mobility (fits in a shirt pocket, yay!)21:41
||cwtrevarthan: n800 is only like 3 hours battery on constant use wifi21:41
trevarthanThat's plenty.21:42
mgedminyeah, I charge my n800 once or twice a day21:42
mgedminbut then I constantly read books on it21:42
pupnikbattery life is most dependent on screen brightness = i get 5-7 hours on the n77021:42
||cwand is equivelent to a laptop21:42
trevarthanMy laptop only got about an hour max.21:42
pupnikthen again, i don't use devices under the 'day star'21:43
||cwso get a better battery21:43
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trevarthanI think I like the n800 because it's cheap enough to replace every few years too. Laptops are still too expensive for me.21:45
pupnikplus you can take the n800 to the bathroom so it doesn't get stolen21:46
pupnikif you have a significant other, you might look into two used 770s instead21:48
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trevarthan770s aren't exactly half as cheap ($300?), and I think my wife won't have any trouble using mine. I'll finally be able to play xbox 360 while she irons her hair and watches MythTV. :)21:50
trevarthanBut the real beauty is how easy it will be to take out of town and to coffee shops. much easier than a laptop.21:51
trevarthanI'll probably buy one from walmart online.21:52
Veggentrevarthan: I went to a two week holiday and conference, with just the 770. It was awkward enough that I wasn't tempted to sitting around nerding all the time, but good enough that I could easily read webmail, use it for hotel/travel research, maemo mapper was useful, etc.21:52
sandman_Anyone else getting the "Unable to complete secure transaction" error messages?21:53
trevarthanYeah, I'll definitely use it for maps and such. Does it have a suspend function? Can you turn it off and back on and save the app state?21:53
Veggentrevarthan: Not real suspend as such, but on "soft sleep" it will last for some days (if you remember to put it in offline mode first)21:54
trevarthanand you can bring it out of soft sleep with all of your apps still running?21:54
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trevarthanyeah, sounds perfect.21:54
trevarthananyway, I'm gonna go hunt one down. Thanks folks!21:55
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sandman_Yeah I cannot access any https:// sites with my N8021:57
sandman_n800, even. It keeps complaining about "certificate cannot identify the server" and such21:57
sandman_And doesn't even load at all21:58
Veggensounds like your certificate list is screwed up.21:58
sandman_I have no certificates21:59
sandman_I'm looking at the certificate manager21:59
sp3000google sez reboot21:59
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sandman_still no good22:05
sandman_And pressing the details button doesn't do anything22:06
sp3000did you have charger conected?22:06
sp3000sandman_: example of any site22:06
unique311the gp2x basiliskII src compiles withouth any modifications of the src22:06
sandman_Yeah I have a charger connected22:07
sp3000sandman_: then it doesn't reboot all that far22:07
sandman_I see.22:07
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richardg1953can a zImage be directly flashed, or must it be converted to .bin?22:10
pulsar_hi there22:11
pulsar_can anyone give me a hand regarding the SDK setup? i have setup up scratchbox on a fresh ubuntu installation and have some troubles using the maemo-sdk-install script.22:13
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pupnikunique311: is there a webpage that says the gp2x basilisk II has been optimized for ARM cpus?22:15
pupnikthat's the only reason to look at gp2x sources instead of standard ones22:15
unique311looking for it...22:16
pulsar_for some reason apt-get has troubles resolving although it is resolveable by other tools22:16
unique311well the src compile withouth no issues..22:17
unique311the zaurus src didn't22:17
unique311one issue..which was the sigserv...still get the sigerv handler error...but the emu runs...22:17
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lodxcolcan anyone tell me where the page would be to download the latest os for my Nokia 770?22:23
lodxcolwhich one would I download? I need to re-flash my 77022:25
pupnikhmm that's not the image for the flasher22:25
lodxcolalso, is there a specific flashing program I need?22:26
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pupniklodxcol: the instructions page linked by google appears to be down22:27
pupnikbut you can use the cache'd page22:27
lodxcolwhere's that?22:27
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lodxcolcan the re-flash process be done on a Windows PC?22:29
gla55nokias official for consumers flasher/updater is a windows gui app22:30
gla55linked from nokias 770 page methinks22:30
tigertthere is a windows flasher22:30
tigertthen for l33t hax0rz there is the linux/osx flasher22:30
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kulvethere's the official stuff and that's windows based22:31
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lodxcoloh, maemo is for the leet people ;)22:33
koentigert: and there's 0xFFFF22:35
tigertdoes it work ok?22:35
tigerthavent tried it yet22:35
tigertthe backup of flash feature sounds very useful22:36
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richardg1953will flasher-3.0 accept a zImage kernel or must it be in bin format?22:37
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