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| qgil | MDK: i'm sure yopu can wait until tomorrow morning :) | 00:08 |
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| MDK | will do | 00:12 |
| qgil | good night :) | 00:12 |
| MDK | night | 00:12 |
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| soothsay | Anybody familiar with vpnc-gui? I keep getting an 'unknown host' error. | 02:40 |
| soothsay | (on N800) | 02:40 |
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| Disconnect | any mac client that works with internet call? | 04:05 |
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| bhima_ | Disconnect: I haven't found one yet :( | 04:22 |
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| Disconnect | suck | 04:25 |
| bhima | I want one though. | 04:25 |
| bhima | I think that iChat uses SIP. | 04:25 |
| bhima | I should sniff the link between maemo and ichat and see what's going on. | 04:26 |
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| vbraun | I managed to get the PC<->n800 video chat to work. For the record: You need to have a webcam on the PC, or there will be no video at all. | 04:51 |
| Disconnect | thats cute :( what about mac? | 04:51 |
| vbraun | Or did anybody manage to have one-way video? | 04:52 |
| vbraun | if you have a mac you are screwed I think. | 04:52 |
| vbraun | ;-) | 04:52 |
| vbraun | Same with *nix | 04:52 |
| vbraun | I was trying to debug my firewall for ages, but its just a stupid bug of the nokia internet call beta. | 04:53 |
| vbraun | and for the "offbeat news" section, the "logitech for notebooks pro" driver is 70 megabytes. | 04:56 |
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| Pupnik_ | hahahaha | 05:00 |
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| Pupnik_ | that, and scanner drivers | 05:09 |
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| Tak | identify Tak | 06:20 |
| Tak | hah - damn xchat | 06:21 |
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| zephar | hi | 06:37 |
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| tko | hmm.. Ubuntu Mobile and Embedded Edition | 08:36 |
| unique311 | midinux | 08:38 |
| unique311 | hmmmm | 08:38 |
| unique311 | mobile is good.. | 08:39 |
| unique311 | wonder if at one point we will be able to dual, triple boot even all these on the n800....hehehehe | 08:40 |
| zuh | Assuming that none of those take up gigs of space, why not? | 08:42 |
| zuh | I'm already booting off my SD-HC anyway | 08:42 |
| unique311 | i tried that... | 08:43 |
| unique311 | didn't like it much.. | 08:43 |
| unique311 | saw a video or windowmaker booting of sd | 08:44 |
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| Pupnik | i need someone with an n800 to test some code | 09:44 |
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| Pupnik | i need someone with an n800 to test some code | 10:02 |
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| Guardian | where to report errors on this page http://repository.maemo.org/ ??? | 10:05 |
| Guardian | from the content of http://repository.maemo.org/dists/ there is no such "3.0" repository contrary to what the other page says | 10:06 |
| Guardian | it's "maemo3.0" | 10:06 |
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| Pupnik | possibly bugzilla, search this forum's logs | 10:06 |
| Pupnik | i need someone with an n800 to test some code | 10:07 |
| Pupnik | either that, or i need an n800 to test some code | 10:08 |
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| Pupnik | hi konttori | 10:38 |
| konttori | hi! | 10:38 |
| Pupnik | good morning to you | 10:39 |
| Pupnik | i am trying to document sdl calls that do not work with Xsp based pixel-doubling and i have a test/example game that illustrates the problem | 10:39 |
| Pupnik | could you test the program on an n800 for me? | 10:39 |
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| konttori | umm.. sure | 10:46 |
| konttori | will it take long? | 10:46 |
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| Pupnik | hi konttori no. | 11:02 |
| konttori | just send me the test file and I can have a go then | 11:02 |
| Pupnik | http://pupnik.de/aliens-1.0.2_Nokia.tgz | 11:02 |
| Pupnik | unpack to pc, then copy the aliens_bin_data.tgz over to nokia and untar | 11:03 |
| Pupnik | then run ./aliens and press f6 | 11:03 |
| Pupnik | the (the screen maximize/minimize button on upper left of device) | 11:03 |
| Pupnik | this will turn on xsp pixel doubling. the current xsp implementation causes display artefacts on the n770, itos 2005,2006 and 2007 hacker edition | 11:04 |
| Pupnik | i need to know if it also happens on n800 | 11:04 |
| keesj | Hi | 11:06 |
| * Pupnik salutes | 11:08 | |
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| AD-N770 | pupnik: nethack don't need it but would be a nice feature have a faster SDL :) | 11:37 |
| keesj | Pupnik: and I am very motivated to start xmoto'ing again | 11:37 |
| Pupnik | and i want to make sure that other people don't have the same problems i did with this stuff | 11:37 |
| Pupnik | :) xmoto is good. Oh btw, i'm almost done converting Penguin Command (missile command) to 800x480 res | 11:37 |
| Pupnik | vwery fun with stylus | 11:37 |
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| Pupnik | AD-N770: your UI for nethack is about as good as i can imagine | 11:39 |
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| Pupnik | for a game device, it is preferable to the n770/800 for many reasons, but it has no utility as a universal tool (which the tablets do) | 12:04 |
| konttori | oh, here is their SDL: http://svn.gp2x.com/gp2x/tag/library/2006.02.24/ | 12:05 |
| keesj | the cradle is very nice! | 12:06 |
| Pupnik | good link konttori - bookmarked | 12:07 |
| gla55 | i wish nokia would introduce buttons to other side of the screen and better pads.. (and stop that stupid blocking of the pad to be 4way on their phones expect ngages) | 12:07 |
| Pupnik | agree gla55 - and allow multiple buttonpresses too | 12:07 |
| * konttori agrees as well | 12:07 | |
| keesj | yes | 12:07 |
| zuh | keesj: With bootmenu: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#initfs | 12:07 |
| konttori | keesj: yeah, indeed, it would make sense for n800 as well. Also, there is video output anyway in n800. So, adding that might not be such a big thing for nokia (except maybe because of the epson chip). | 12:08 |
| gla55 | pupnik: multiple buttonpresses is software enablable on s60's.. expect for the directional pad which will block itself | 12:08 |
| Pupnik | ah.. i prefer tablets to phone-puters though | 12:09 |
| konttori | But with tvlink, n800 would be quite a nice full featured device. Cradle could have usb in (for attaching cam) and support usb mouse, kb. | 12:10 |
| konttori | And still not loose any of the portability. | 12:10 |
| Pupnik | what is tvlink? | 12:10 |
| konttori | cradle that would have composite output. | 12:10 |
| gla55 | cradle would be pretty good | 12:10 |
| gla55 | vga out would be even better | 12:10 |
| maddler | morning all! | 12:11 |
| * Pupnik wouldn't use tv/vga out | 12:11 | |
| konttori | both maybe. | 12:11 |
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| keesj | I think somebody should develop a usb-over-bluetooth thing so I can attache my cheap keyboard and such with no hardware hacks. still bt speed is a little slow | 12:14 |
| gla55 | hmm | 12:14 |
| gla55 | well, there might be some ps2(or usb) keyboard->bt keyboard devices.. however, probably cheaper to buy bt keyboard | 12:15 |
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| keesj | gla55 if you have pointers in that direction I would like to know them :) | 12:16 |
| gla55 | when bt was fresh there was a lot of such things on market.. bt->lpt and shit | 12:16 |
| gla55 | hmm | 12:17 |
| keesj | google is very bad when you search such things . it comes back with the opposite :p | 12:17 |
| jku__ | not to mention that "ps2" will probably give you very unrelated hits... | 12:18 |
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| * Pupnik thanks keesj again (i think it was you) for the tip to run maemo-gtk-im-switch xim for synergy on tablet | 12:32 | |
| Pupnik | keesj: that tip should go on to your synergy web page | 12:33 |
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| Pupnik | btw if anyone has used SDL_UpdateRect(x,y,wid,hgt) with variable sized offsets and sizes successfully with pixel doubling, feel free to show me the code | 12:46 |
| Pupnik | because i'm tired of people saying 'it works' without putting their money where their mouth is | 12:47 |
| unique311 | dude how do i use synergy... | 12:48 |
| unique311 | dude, classic word | 12:48 |
| Pupnik | http://www.google.com/search?q=synergy.conf+synergyc | 12:49 |
| keesj | if anybody is searching for a little fun http://wiki.hobbyist.de/?LaserTraq should be working on the n800 with the webcam | 12:49 |
| keesj | at least it compiles | 12:50 |
| unique311 | does the fun end with a happy ending....i love happy endings, specially after massages | 12:50 |
| unique311 | keesj, you have a link to your compiled binary? | 12:52 |
| keesj | I think fun it like life, it is the roead that is funny no the final destinatiopn | 12:52 |
| unique311 | i think fun is you sharing ur binary...hehehe | 12:53 |
| unique311 | maemo.divshare.org | 12:53 |
| keesj | I can copy them from my device | 12:53 |
| unique311 | cool | 12:55 |
| Pupnik | are you going to make a project page for basilisk II unique311 ? | 12:56 |
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| Pupnik | from what i saw it looks usable already | 12:57 |
| unique311 | i should.. | 12:57 |
| unique311 | but it needs to be hildon... | 12:58 |
| Pupnik | does it use sdl for output or normal x11 window? | 12:58 |
| unique311 | and i suck at that part of life.. | 12:58 |
| unique311 | sdl... | 12:58 |
| Pupnik | good, then fullscreen 640x480 should be pretty easy to do | 12:59 |
| unique311 | pretty cool considering its not like vmac...blacknwhite | 12:59 |
| Pupnik | i'd suggest 1) getting fullscreen 640x480 running | 12:59 |
| Pupnik | the 2) making a deb out of it | 12:59 |
| keesj | maemo.divshare.org did not work | 13:00 |
| unique311 | i know | 13:00 |
| unique311 | not sure why.. | 13:00 |
| unique311 | its a group on divshare.. | 13:00 |
| unique311 | i just opened it to divshare users..not only group members.. | 13:01 |
| keesj | try this :) http://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/lasertraq.tar.gz | 13:01 |
| unique311 | .com | 13:01 |
| unique311 | lol | 13:01 |
| unique311 | wanna save bandwidth,,,use someone's else...ha | 13:03 |
| keesj | can I thust divshare? | 13:03 |
| unique311 | yes.. | 13:03 |
| unique311 | i do.. | 13:03 |
| unique311 | i started to groups.. | 13:03 |
| unique311 | n800 and maemo | 13:03 |
| unique311 | upload stuff i compile..and videos.. | 13:03 |
| keesj | I hava a no limit adsl account and I don't really care. as long as my software is not to popular. | 13:04 |
| keesj | I would prefer to have a machine on a different place | 13:04 |
| unique311 | well you can make a group on divshare and keep it locked to to the world.. | 13:05 |
| unique311 | i like the upload and download speeds on it.. | 13:05 |
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| Pupnik | 'unsupported' seems to be a code-word for 'broken' | 13:07 |
| * Pupnik is complaining too much :) | 13:09 | |
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| keesj | Pupnik and what is Community supported?(acoring to you) | 13:13 |
| keesj | "broken but you can fix it yourself?" | 13:14 |
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| Toni | if it breaks you can keep the pieces.. | 13:18 |
| keesj | unique311:I added the files | 13:22 |
| unique311 | yeah | 13:22 |
| unique311 | so run the daemon | 13:22 |
| unique311 | and then trackfire? | 13:22 |
| florian | good morning | 13:24 |
| unique311 | keesj its working | 13:26 |
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| keesj | unique311: happy happy joy joy | 14:03 |
| keesj | do you project on a wall? | 14:03 |
| keesj | or does the cam looks directly at you? | 14:04 |
| unique311 | not sure | 14:13 |
| unique311 | i see a red dot on the screen | 14:13 |
| unique311 | thats it | 14:13 |
| Streg | with the built in pdf-viewer on n800, is it possible to move to next page with some hardware-key combination in fullscreen mode? | 14:13 |
| unique311 | keesj ? | 14:14 |
| keesj | yes? | 14:14 |
| unique311 | project on a wall? | 14:14 |
| unique311 | i see a red dot.. | 14:14 |
| unique311 | on the screen | 14:14 |
| keesj | does it move? | 14:15 |
| unique311 | the red dot, yes | 14:15 |
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| keesj | and you can make it move by moving yourself or using a laser pointer? | 14:16 |
| zuh | Streg: I couldn't find one, not when the page is zoomed in so that the horizontal scrollbar is visible (if not, pressing sideways works) | 14:16 |
| zuh | Streg: Evince works much better in that regard... | 14:17 |
| Streg | zuh:ok, thanks. the best option is menu->view->zoom->fit page and then with left-right buttons | 14:18 |
| Streg | zuh:just installed evince, but can you make evince the default launching app? | 14:19 |
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| kpel | hi all | 14:35 |
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| konttori | Streg: I think that that pdf button problem has been filed as a bug. If you find that annoying, please vote for the bug and comment on it. | 14:36 |
| konttori | If you can't find that bug, please fiel a new one. | 14:36 |
| unique311 | anyone using synergy with a n800? | 14:37 |
| kpel | which synergy? | 14:38 |
| kpel | not CM synergy, right? | 14:39 |
| tigert | synergy2.sf.net iirc | 14:40 |
| unique311 | yes | 14:40 |
| unique311 | synergy2 | 14:41 |
| kpel | oh, that synergy. nop. | 14:41 |
| unique311 | keesj not sure but lasertraqd is seg faulting..so that maybe why not getting same results as u | 14:42 |
| zuh | Streg: It could be done by the evince packages (installing a default handler in the mime system), but AFAIK there is no way to do it from the UI... | 14:44 |
| keesj | unique311: did you change the config? | 14:45 |
| unique311 | no | 14:46 |
| unique311 | cp it over like stated.... | 14:46 |
| unique311 | hmm | 14:46 |
| unique311 | root? | 14:46 |
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| keesj | I will look at it tonight , thanks for the effort. | 14:54 |
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| zuh | https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=123 <- Wonders of fixed-width ;) | 15:37 |
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| Tak|work | hah | 15:45 |
| inz | zuh, wonders of too-long-component-name | 15:45 |
| Tak|work | I like the style of http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ - can we get all of maemo.org redone with this theme? | 15:47 |
| inz | Tak, "view->page style->no style" in firefox ;) | 15:48 |
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| plaes | um.. maemo.org down? | 15:52 |
| waite | nope up for me | 15:52 |
| Tak|work | ditto | 15:52 |
| kpel | up and running | 15:53 |
| plaes | up now:) | 15:53 |
| kpel | and finally we have rain. yaaaay! | 15:53 |
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| plaes | gah... can someone point me to the example of the tap_and_hold menu? | 16:01 |
| plaes | I just cannot find it :( | 16:01 |
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| AD-N770 | pleas: I use tap_and_hold menu on my nethack port | 16:05 |
| plaes | rengels.de ? | 16:06 |
| AD-N770 | nom | 16:06 |
| AD-N770 | nop | 16:06 |
| AD-N770 | pleas: http://n770galaxy.blogspot.com/ | 16:06 |
| plaes | ah, thanks Josep | 16:06 |
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| AD-N770 | I think that was g2menu.c but I'm not sure now | 16:07 |
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| kakos | I am currently booting my N800 off of my internal mmc. In addition to the boot partition, it also has a rather sizable partition meant for storing music and such. Unfortunately, when I plug in the USB cable, it complains that it cannot mount it because the card is in use. I'm guessing it's trying to mount the entire card rather than the specific partition I want. I sthere any way to change that behaviour? | 17:29 |
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| s-ndh-c | id just use ssh or something, it wont be as fast as usb but it should be ok for transfering some music files | 17:34 |
| Pupnik | the N800 has mmc? | 17:34 |
| jku__ | kakos that's a feature of you desktop OS | 17:34 |
| jku__ | ...I assume | 17:34 |
| kakos | s-ndh-c: ssh works, but it isn't fast enough for transferring large amounts of data. | 17:34 |
| kakos | jku__: It's definitely a problem on the N800 side of things | 17:34 |
| jku__ | so the n800 doesn't umount? | 17:35 |
| s-ndh-c | hm its the same here on my n770 if boot from the mmc i cant mount the fat32 volume which is the second partition on the mmc, i think its something on the device which blocks that | 17:35 |
| kakos | Well, it tries to umount the entire card, but since the OS is running off one of the partitions on the card, it is failing | 17:35 |
| kakos | s-ndh-c: I used to be able to do it on my 770. | 17:36 |
| kakos | Odd | 17:36 |
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| geoffeg | Yow, didn't expect so many users here, awesome! | 17:43 |
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| geoffeg | I'm always impressed how active and big the maemo community is. | 17:43 |
| kakos | geoffeg: It's because maemo is teh awesome. | 17:44 |
| Tak|work | ya m34m0 is t3h r0xx0rs | 17:45 |
| geoffeg | I'm thinking of testing the waters of GTK/maemo development by writing a pong port. How can a platform not have pong? | 17:45 |
| inz | easily | 17:45 |
| Tak|work | geoffeg: there's fceu + efp ;-) | 17:45 |
| geoffeg | fceu? | 17:45 |
| gla55 | who needs pong if you have nethack | 17:45 |
| kakos | Make 3D pong using OpenGl | 17:45 |
| geoffeg | I was thinking of adding multiplayer internet support for pong so you can play against another 770/n800 user. | 17:46 |
| gla55 | make a version of shufflepuck cafe | 17:46 |
| kakos | How about Massively Multiplayer Online Pong? | 17:46 |
| Tak|work | I thought I saw a tuxpuck package | 17:46 |
| geoffeg | I need a simple app to write to get used to it. | 17:46 |
| gla55 | tak: really? | 17:46 |
| inz | Tak, you did, I at least did ;) | 17:46 |
| geoffeg | 16 player pong! | 17:46 |
| geoffeg | so is this channel mostly users or developers (or both)? | 17:46 |
| Tak|work | yeah, search for anything but 'tuxpuck' @ downloads ;-) | 17:46 |
| Pupnik | pong is for sucks. space war is the rox | 17:47 |
| geoffeg | my first maemo device arrives this week.. a used 770 of ebays | 17:47 |
| Pupnik | free for all join anytime left/right/thrust/fire spacewar on network - no weapons upgrades, no scores | 17:47 |
| inz | geoffeg, I think that the majority is user-developers ;) | 17:47 |
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| Pupnik | just "we come in peace -- shoot to kill" | 17:47 |
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| kakos | geoffeg: Be sure to install Canola when you get a chance. | 17:50 |
| geoffeg | kakos: is it really all that great? i thought mplayer was the most optimized media player for maemo | 17:50 |
| * Pupnik puts canola in his granola | 17:50 | |
| kakos | geoffeg: But Canola is so pretty. | 17:50 |
| kakos | geoffeg: Canola has a far better interface, but mplayer is quicker. But I've never had a problem with Canola on my 770 | 17:51 |
| Tak|work | canola can use mplayer as its backend | 17:51 |
| Pupnik | geoffeg: depends on what you like. i like mplayer | 17:51 |
| geoffeg | I'd prefer better quality video than pretty. Especially since when I'm watching a video i do it at full screen. | 17:51 |
| kakos | Pupnik: Really? Hmmm | 17:51 |
| geoffeg | Tak|work: oh, cool! | 17:51 |
| Pupnik | kakos, how much time do you spend with the media player interface? | 17:52 |
| Pupnik | 0.0001%? | 17:52 |
| kakos | Pupnik: A fair amount | 17:52 |
| Pupnik | the rest of your time is spent watching the video | 17:52 |
| geoffeg | i'll try canola | 17:52 |
| kakos | Pupnik: For music, I like to skip around a lot depending on my mood. | 17:52 |
| Tak|work | for movies, not much - for music, a lot | 17:52 |
| k-s[WORK] | you can try catota, my own mplayer frontend ;-) | 17:52 |
| kakos | So I will be in the interface a lot looking for the right song | 17:52 |
| kakos | For movies though, yeah, you're right. | 17:52 |
| k-s[WORK] | it's better than other gtk UI | 17:52 |
| kakos | If you can use the Canola frontend with mplayer, why not get the best of both worlds? | 17:53 |
| geoffeg | I hope Gmyth works well at this point. I'd like to be able to grab video's off my MythTV box and have them re-encoded on the fly for my 770. | 17:53 |
| k-s[WORK] | btw, I'm one of the 3 guys that wrote canola, so I'm not against it :-P | 17:53 |
| Pupnik | the n770/800 have terrible audio hardware for music, so i use a dedicated player | 17:53 |
| Pupnik | sorry not terrible - average for pda | 17:53 |
| kakos | k-s[WORK]: Well, thanks for canola. :) | 17:53 |
| k-s[WORK] | MoRpHeUz: how well gmyth is working? | 17:53 |
| geoffeg | Pupnik: how is it not so good? noise? | 17:53 |
| geoffeg | k-s[WORK]: does canola use a relatively recent version of mplayer with all the fancy optimizations for the 770/n800? | 17:54 |
| Pupnik | geoffeg: i think it is average, meaning not very hi-fi (i have 250 euro headphones and was a professional producer) :) | 17:54 |
| geoffeg | Pupnik: ah, somewhat biased :) | 17:54 |
| k-s[WORK] | geoffeg: canola's support for mplayer is through an optional plugin, it just popen() mplayer process... so you can use mplayer as new as you want | 17:55 |
| geoffeg | k-s[WORK]: nice, thanks | 17:55 |
| k-s[WORK] | I'm not working on its maintaince, it was delegated to other guy, lsobral. | 17:55 |
| k-s[WORK] | so you better report bugs so he can fix asap if it's not working as expected | 17:55 |
| Pupnik | i need a quad-core soul to try out everything in life | 17:56 |
| Tak|work | I dunno, the cores would still be sharing one soulbus, so you wouldn't really gain any additional lifewidth | 17:57 |
| geoffeg | so when i get my 770 should the first thing i do be reflash it with the 2007 hacker edition? | 17:58 |
| inz | Depends on what you want | 18:05 |
| inz | There may be problems running the 2007HE, but then again it is c00ler ;) | 18:05 |
| Tak|work | I'm going back to gregale until the next 2007he release | 18:05 |
| geoffeg | Does the new OS have a newer Opera version? | 18:05 |
| inz | no | 18:05 |
| geoffeg | but there is a new version on the official releases? | 18:05 |
| kakos | geoffeg: Yeah | 18:06 |
| kakos | geoffeg: It's a licensing thing. | 18:06 |
| geoffeg | stupid licenses | 18:06 |
| kakos | geoffeg: I wish Nokia and Opera would allow people to download the updated copy for some extra money, but wahtever | 18:06 |
| kakos | I have a N800 now. I'm happy | 18:06 |
| Pupnik | 2007 hacker edition is something we should work on, and it's surprisingly good for the lack of resources behind it - but there are rough edges | 18:06 |
| inz | And you can't circumvent it by asking a copy from N800 owner, you'll get invalid instructions | 18:06 |
| kakos | Except... I WANT MY GOD DAMNED HARD CASE!! | 18:07 |
| geoffeg | I paid $175 for a used 770 and i couldn't find an n800 for under $300ish | 18:07 |
| * kakos sighs | 18:07 | |
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| Pupnik | great deal geoffeg i paid 500 euro for my 770 + accessories last october | 18:07 |
| kakos | geoffeg: Honestly, I would still be using my 770 if I didn't have the money to spare. I don't think it was really worth a full upgrade. | 18:07 |
| kakos | But, i had $400 burning a hole in my pocket so I splurged a little | 18:08 |
| inz | kakos, next time you have too much money, you could gimme some ;) | 18:08 |
| Pupnik | i agree with kakos... if i had the cash i'd buy em both | 18:08 |
| Pupnik | nokia deserves it for delivering these pioneering products | 18:08 |
| geoffeg | kakos: I'm mostly going to use mine for browsing the web on the road (sitting on mass transit) or listening to internet radio at work over my cell phone (EDGE supported).. and I also have a bluetooth virtual "LASER" keyboard thing to play around with | 18:09 |
| Pupnik | a better zaurus for 1/2 the price. Yes thank you. | 18:09 |
| kakos | geoffeg: Then the 770 will be perfect for you. | 18:12 |
| geoffeg | and as you said.. i'd prefer the hard case to protect the screen | 18:12 |
| geoffeg | Oh.. btw.. is it true there's no sleep mode on the device? that every time you turn it on it has to boot completely? | 18:13 |
| kakos | I ended up cutting out a few squares of hard plastic and just slipped them in my case. It isn't pretty, but it works. | 18:13 |
| X-Fade | geoffeg: You don't have to turn it off ;) | 18:13 |
| kakos | geoffeg: When you put the lid on, it shuts off the screen and turns off the wireless stuff | 18:14 |
| kakos | In that mode, the battery lasts a very long while. | 18:14 |
| geoffeg | ok, then one of the reviews i read was wrong.. as i expected | 18:14 |
| kakos | It's basically like a phone. | 18:14 |
| kakos | You never turn your phone off. | 18:14 |
| kakos | But the boot process isn't that bad either. It takes maybe 20 seconds, if I recall correctly. | 18:14 |
| geoffeg | I turn it off on planes (well, ok, I switch to "flight mode") | 18:14 |
| gla55 | yeah i like that it goes to "sleep" when you put the cover on | 18:15 |
| kakos | geoffeg: There is a "flight mode" option in the menu | 18:16 |
| geoffeg | I've always wondered why PDA's don't wake up or go to sleep when you remove or insert the stylus. | 18:16 |
| * kakos doesn't use the stylus that often | 18:16 | |
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| geoffeg | kakos: Cool, there's an option for that on my Sony Ericsson K790a | 18:16 |
| gla55 | geoff: that would be nice feat on palms | 18:16 |
| geoffeg | I miss my Newton 2000 :) | 18:17 |
| kakos | My 770 was my favourite purchase of all time. | 18:17 |
| kakos | I'll miss you, Pathos. | 18:17 |
| * kakos sheds a tear. | 18:17 | |
| keesj | We love you all! | 18:18 |
| Pupnik | me too kakos | 18:20 |
| Pupnik | well the psion netbook came close | 18:20 |
| kakos | I used to carry my laptop around with me everywhere. Now I just carry my Nokia tablet. | 18:20 |
| Pupnik | computer with leather... kind of jaguarish | 18:20 |
| Pupnik | yeah... | 18:21 |
| Pupnik | i was just out in sunlight again and that's not much fun - with any device | 18:21 |
| kakos | CURSE YOU, DAY STAR! | 18:21 |
| Pupnik | :D | 18:22 |
| keesj | i was just out in in rain, again and that's not much fun - with any device | 18:22 |
| Pupnik | i have used the 770 in rain | 18:22 |
| Tak|work | I'm in a basement with no windows, and that's not much fun - with any device | 18:22 |
| Pupnik | that's the perfect place damnit | 18:22 |
| Tak|work | I'll trade you | 18:23 |
| gla55 | yeah | 18:23 |
| kakos | I'm in a furnace, and that's not much fun - period. | 18:23 |
| gla55 | i'll trade you in 1.5 months | 18:23 |
| Pupnik | i love my basement | 18:23 |
| gla55 | i'm pretty sure this apartment is going to heat up to 28c+ | 18:23 |
| Pupnik | precisely. basements are better in summer | 18:23 |
| keesj | :) | 18:23 |
| Pupnik | brains do not work well at 30+deg celsius | 18:24 |
| keesj | the n800 is fun outside , that is if you like radio | 18:24 |
| keesj | (and I happen to like that) | 18:24 |
| Pupnik | how is interference from cpu on n800 keesj ? | 18:24 |
| Pupnik | can you listen to weak stations? | 18:25 |
| keesj | cpu? | 18:25 |
| Pupnik | digital electronics interfere with analog receivers | 18:25 |
| keesj | amsterdam has no weak stations | 18:25 |
| kakos | Pupnik: I haven't noticed any interference | 18:25 |
| Pupnik | do you get fm multipath interference walking between buildings? | 18:25 |
| Pupnik | "fzzwwtbzwaaawp" sounds? | 18:26 |
| keesj | no , I did not notice anything strange | 18:26 |
| Pupnik | nice | 18:26 |
| Tak|work | I think that is the best textual representation of an indistinct sound that I have ever seen | 18:26 |
| kakos | The one issue with the FM radio is that it uses the headphones as an antenna, so you have to be aware of how your headphone cord is positioned. | 18:27 |
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| Pupnik | :) | 18:27 |
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| keesj | the other problem are my ears , they are not compatible with the ear thingy's so I have to put them in again very often | 18:28 |
| keesj | but I guess that it's "unsupported" | 18:28 |
| Pupnik | earbuds are often problematic - ultimate ears earbud microphones can be custom fitted by doctors | 18:29 |
| Pupnik | but it is expensive | 18:29 |
| kakos | The biggest problem though is there is no way for the Nokia N800 to jack directly into my auditory cortex so I don't have to deal with the nuisance of headphones. | 18:29 |
| keesj | kakos: you have no bt connector? | 18:30 |
| kakos | Sadly no | 18:30 |
| Pupnik | William Gibson - Neuromancer | 18:35 |
| unique311 | The Maemo.org is down... | 18:35 |
| unique311 | why | 18:35 |
| Tak|work | up for me | 18:35 |
| unique311 | i want to check out your trunk page for c64 emu pupnik | 18:35 |
| Pupnik | frodo? | 18:36 |
| unique311 | i think Tak might be viewing cache | 18:36 |
| unique311 | yes | 18:36 |
| unique311 | any of your emus.. | 18:36 |
| unique311 | that you got fullscreen working for.. | 18:36 |
| unique311 | Tak|work, hmmm why is it working for ya..and not me... | 18:36 |
| unique311 | you special or something.. | 18:37 |
| Pupnik | sdl fullscreen... look at exult | 18:37 |
| Tak|work | yes | 18:37 |
| Pupnik | or fceu | 18:37 |
| Tak|work | I have a direct OC8 connection to the maemo server | 18:37 |
| unique311 | hmmm | 18:37 |
| unique311 | garage.maemo.org works | 18:37 |
| unique311 | i think maemo.org is not working | 18:37 |
| unique311 | planet and garage are | 18:38 |
| unique311 | try maemo.org Tak | 18:38 |
| Tak|work | I did, and it loaded | 18:38 |
| Pupnik | unique it's basically one line to set fullscreen | 18:38 |
| Tak|work | minute later, I hit reload nocache, and it's hanging now | 18:38 |
| Pupnik | screen = SDL_SetVideoMode(VIDWIN_X, VIDWIN_Y, 16, SDL_SWSURFACE|SDL_FULLSCREEN); | 18:38 |
| unique311 | garage and planet are working | 18:39 |
| unique311 | one line.. | 18:39 |
| unique311 | but where does that one line go.. | 18:39 |
| Pupnik | if it's a sdl app, it does SetVideoMode somewhere, probably | 18:39 |
| unique311 | want to compare the source from anything...really.....and i guess another emulator would be the route to go | 18:39 |
| Pupnik | unique here's the simplest sdl game i've been mucking with: http://pupnik.de/aliens-1.0.2_Nokia.tgz | 18:40 |
| unique311 | k, gonna look at the source for basilisk...which might take a while..then i have to recreate the way i compiled it...tell ya the truth i'm not sure how i went about it.. | 18:41 |
| geoffeg | my cell phone's screen actually works pretty well in direct sunlight.. there's a few display types that work well in the sunlight or using the backlight | 18:41 |
| unique311 | i think i took the 1.0 src for gp2x | 18:41 |
| unique311 | and the makefile from the zaurus src. and went about it that way..\ | 18:41 |
| unique311 | the zaurus src is still at 0.9 | 18:41 |
| unique311 | lol | 18:41 |
| Pupnik | the simple sdl demos and games really are nice, they are much less confusing than hildon or gtk | 18:42 |
| Pupnik | that whole game is just 15kb of code | 18:42 |
| unique311 | well will it help me in my quest to get fullscreen | 18:42 |
| gla55 | geoffeg: yeah my phones not that bad in sunlight either | 18:42 |
| Pupnik | yes it is why i recommend looking at it | 18:42 |
| unique311 | cool | 18:42 |
| Tak|work | unique311: hmm, maemo.org finished loading for me | 18:43 |
| unique311 | did for me also.. | 18:43 |
| unique311 | but blank | 18:43 |
| Tak|work | not me, I got the full page | 18:43 |
| unique311 | k, its up again | 18:43 |
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| unique311 | it was down for a few.. | 18:44 |
| unique311 | i'm not going crazy now | 18:44 |
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| Pupnik | "What is your one purpose in life?" | 19:00 |
| Pupnik | "To explode, of course." | 19:00 |
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| gla55 | starship titanic? | 19:04 |
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| * zeenix imagines Riker & Troi at the edge of a spaceship | 19:10 | |
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| Pupnik | it's from the movie Dark Star (1974, i think) | 19:14 |
| gla55 | hehe | 19:15 |
| Pupnik | best music samples ever are from meat beat manifesto | 19:15 |
| gla55 | i know the movie | 19:15 |
| Pupnik | http://www.s107.net/meat_beat_manifesto.php | 19:15 |
| dpb | Dark Star is great | 19:16 |
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| Pupnik | nice analogue synthesizers for the soundtrack too | 19:17 |
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| TimRiker | is the external SD slot on an n800 supposed to be spring loaded? How do you get the card to eject? | 19:17 |
| Pupnik | also the inspiration for Ren and Stimpy - Space Madness | 19:17 |
| bill20r3 | heya Tim. | 19:17 |
| * TimRiker waves | 19:17 | |
| bill20r3 | I just pull it out w/ my fingernail | 19:17 |
| bill20r3 | <-- bill at xmission | 19:17 |
| * TimRiker nods | 19:18 | |
| MoRpHeUz | sorry for the delay | 19:18 |
| TimRiker | 20r3? | 19:18 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 19:18 |
| bill20r3 | there's so many bills. | 19:18 |
| TimRiker | hehe | 19:18 |
| bill20r3 | when did you get an N800? | 19:18 |
| bill20r3 | I've had mine maybe 3 months, I love it. | 19:19 |
| MoRpHeUz | k-s[WORK], geoffeg: gmyth is working great (100%) at desktop and still have some issues regarding playing on the device....we are working on it right now.. | 19:19 |
| TimRiker | picked up 2 of them a week ago for a friend playing with video conferencing. | 19:19 |
| MoRpHeUz | (regarding live-tv) | 19:19 |
| bill20r3 | have you found a linux desktop app that'll talk to the n800 video conf app? | 19:19 |
| MoRpHeUz | if we talk about recorded videos, you can already use that...it transcodes for you, then you can download and watch at your device | 19:19 |
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| TimRiker | one of them won't charge, so I had to send it back. Nokia will fix it, but I have to mail it in at my expense and wait 2 weeks for them to get around to it. All this for what is obviously an error on their part. | 19:20 |
| TimRiker | not very acceptable in my opinion. | 19:20 |
| bill20r3 | that sucks, lots. | 19:20 |
| TimRiker | that and all the web forms insist that I enter in the "cell phone number" and "provider" for my n800. | 19:20 |
| TimRiker | not found a linux app to talk to the video yet, no. | 19:21 |
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| TimRiker | fighting with getting vpnc running now. the web instructions want me to add a package source and install. sound odd to you? "if you can't get online, just go online and download this package" | 19:22 |
| bill20r3 | I guess you could download the debs to a card, if you can get all the deps too. | 19:23 |
| TimRiker | is there a way to use bluetooth to a laptop and get online that way? (linux laptop of course). | 19:23 |
| gla55 | they probably mean that if you cant get online with the device, you should get online with some other computer and download the .deb | 19:23 |
| gla55 | timriker: yeah.. google might serve you with that | 19:23 |
| gla55 | hmm | 19:23 |
| bill20r3 | I dont know aobut that, but probabablly. You can't get online with wifi? | 19:23 |
| TimRiker | bill20r3, gla55: nope. the deb tree where vpnc-gui is, is not browsable, so I've not yet been able to find the deb from another machine. | 19:24 |
| bill20r3 | lousy. | 19:24 |
| TimRiker | http://scriptkiller.de/cisco_vpnc_with_nokia_770.php has http://scriptkiller.de/apt/ | 19:24 |
| * bill20r3 looks | 19:25 | |
| TimRiker | no eject on the SD slot is just lame. the internal is fine. the external slot is lame. | 19:25 |
| florian | TimRiker: indeed | 19:26 |
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| TimRiker | the touch screen shows scratch marks from the included stylus. how lame is that? | 19:26 |
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| gnrfan | hi there everyone.. are you aware of industrial / data capture uses of N800 in a business / factory enviroment? | 19:28 |
| TimRiker | while I'm griping..... battery life sucks, and the firmware upgrade won't work for me from debian unstable 2.6.20 kernel. | 19:28 |
| MoRpHeUz | TimRiker: does your n800 still have the screen protection ? | 19:28 |
| gnrfan | e.g. What do you think of connecting a USB barcode reader pistol to the N800? | 19:28 |
| TimRiker | MoRpHeUz: ? is there a sticker on there then? perhaps that's it? | 19:29 |
| MoRpHeUz | TimRiker: yeah..it comes with a screen protection...take a look.... | 19:29 |
| TimRiker | MoRpHeUz: ah! that must be it. I tried to pull off any sticker with the little tab it came with, but nothing came off. | 19:30 |
| gla55 | gnrfan: for industrial use it's probably better/cheaper/practical to use specialised devices for such | 19:30 |
| MoRpHeUz | ;-) | 19:30 |
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| gnrfan | gla55: not necessary.. in this application they were using previously a laptop computer running Linux | 19:31 |
| bill20r3 | Tim, my battery life has been great. how many hours are you getting? | 19:31 |
| TimRiker | the tab was on the inside edge, not the outside. so should I remove the "protector" that gets scratched? or will the screen get scratched then? | 19:31 |
| gnrfan | gla55: app is a simple Python/GTK data captura app the reads barcodes | 19:31 |
| TimRiker | bill20r3: doing video conferencing? about an hour. | 19:31 |
| bill20r3 | gnrfan, there are no stable usb host-mode drivers yet. | 19:31 |
| gnrfan | s/captura/capture/ | 19:31 |
| bill20r3 | tim, ahh, maybe the camera sucks batteries. | 19:32 |
| TimRiker | perhaps it's closer to 45 minutes. | 19:32 |
| bill20r3 | I haven't used it much. | 19:32 |
| gnrfan | bill20r3: oh! I see.. | 19:32 |
| TimRiker | and that's NOT constant calling. just that much time playing with it and I need to plug it in again. | 19:32 |
| bill20r3 | last week I accidentally left mine on overnight, and had 2 bars of battery in the morning. | 19:32 |
| gla55 | gnrfan: ..which is inferior to using a specalised device meant for commerce | 19:32 |
| bill20r3 | of course it was just idle, but still not bad. | 19:32 |
| gnrfan | gla55: specialized devices are generaly way more expensive | 19:33 |
| gla55 | can't see them costing 500+ really | 19:33 |
| TimRiker | bill20r3: really?!? I'm getting nothing like that. I left it on and dropped it in my laptop bag the other day. 1 hour later, the battery was dead. | 19:33 |
| gnrfan | gla55: they provided mostly the benefit of being much more protected If they hit the floor or some accident like that | 19:33 |
| gla55 | there's the work of getting it to work too, of course it all depends on use | 19:33 |
| gnrfan | gla55: but other than that this device would be great | 19:33 |
| bill20r3 | Tim, they're the same batteries as nokia phones, off-brand ones are cheap( < $10) on ebay, maybe you should try a different one. | 19:34 |
| gla55 | gnrfan: some 200-300$ phones could quite probably be coded to read barcodes adequately | 19:34 |
| Tak|work | TimRiker: are you autoconnecting to a wap? | 19:34 |
| TimRiker | bill20r3: are you running the new firmware? I'm still on 2.2006.51-6 as the updater does not work for me. | 19:34 |
| gnrfan | gla55: you mean something like OpenMoko/neo1973 or nokia phones? | 19:34 |
| gla55 | gnrfan: symbian nokias | 19:35 |
| TimRiker | Tak|work: auto: no. but when testing voip I was using a wap. | 19:35 |
| gnrfan | gla55: previous version of the app is in Python/GTK so N800 looks like a great option | 19:35 |
| gla55 | gnrfan: neo1973 isn't really out is it.. and can't see it being 200-300 either | 19:35 |
| gnrfan | gla55: so mayor problem with N800 would be USB host | 19:35 |
| gla55 | does n800 need the 5v injected? | 19:36 |
| kakos | Well, it will have usb host once someone compiled the kernel and posts it | 19:36 |
| kakos | gla55: The n800 does have a nominal voltage running on the usb port, but not enough to run anything. So you need to connect it to something that has its own power or a powered-hub, but you don't need a power-injector | 19:37 |
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| bill20r3 | tim, I'll add that apt-source and see if I can figure out the paths | 19:37 |
| bill20r3 | Tim, I'm not running hte newest firmware yet, but I did do a flash once (from windows) | 19:38 |
| MoRpHeUz | TimRiker: it's better to keep the "protector"... | 19:38 |
| kakos | gla55: http://muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/ for more information | 19:38 |
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| bill20r3 | tim, if I dry-run-install vpnc, it doesn't want any deps(that I dont have allready, anyway) | 19:40 |
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| bill20r3 | Tim, I figured out this: http://scriptkiller.de/apt/dists/mistral/main/binary-armel/Packages.gz | 19:47 |
| TimRiker | MoRpHeUz: ok. thx. | 19:49 |
| TimRiker | bill20r3: ah. thx. I was trying pool/mistral/main/ | 19:50 |
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| TimRiker | hmm... want's libgpg-error-minimal and some others. nice that the error messages don't wrap so I can't see them all. | 20:00 |
| TimRiker | ahh. that was in there too, I just didn't copy it to my sd card. trying again... | 20:01 |
| bill20r3 | d'oh | 20:01 |
| * TimRiker is frustrated trying to eject the sd card again... | 20:02 | |
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| TimRiker | missing libxau0 now. | 20:07 |
| bill20r3 | you dont have any 802.11 there? | 20:09 |
| bill20r3 | maybe you could set up usb networking. | 20:09 |
| TimRiker | bill20r3: I do have 802.11. and I need to run the cisco vpn once there, or I get nothing. | 20:10 |
| TimRiker | is there a howto on usb networking? | 20:10 |
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| bill20r3 | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowToSetUpUsbNetworkingDebian | 20:12 |
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| TimRiker | hmm. well I seem to have it installed now, but not the gui. | 20:21 |
| TimRiker | how do I get a root shell? | 20:21 |
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| bill20r3 | there is a package 'gainroot' | 20:24 |
| bill20r3 | then 'sudo gainroot' | 20:24 |
| bill20r3 | or you can ssh in as root, if you have dropbear installed | 20:24 |
| bill20r3 | the password is 'rootme' (p.s. change that) | 20:24 |
| * TimRiker ughs and looks for yet another package. | 20:24 | |
| TimRiker | so it's not rootme till I install gainroot? | 20:25 |
| koen | you use flasher to set the R&D flag for root access | 20:25 |
| koen | s/you/just/ | 20:26 |
| bill20r3 | it's always rootme, but there's no way to log in until you install ssh. | 20:26 |
| TimRiker | /etc/passwd has SU.odxvRwp3Vs | 20:26 |
| TimRiker | sudo sh won't work? | 20:26 |
| bill20r3 | afaik, there's no 'su'. | 20:26 |
| bill20r3 | dunno. | 20:26 |
| TimRiker | there is a su, but it's busybox su and busybox is not setup correctly for suid support. | 20:27 |
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| TimRiker | if you set it up wrong, it won't work. and maemo is setup wrong. | 20:27 |
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| TimRiker | nice... | 20:27 |
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| TimRiker | ah. ssh root@localhost worked. (I have dropbear and xterm installed) | 20:28 |
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| * TimRiker gets ssh working. yeah. still curious if there is a way to get bluetooth networking from my laptop. | 21:06 | |
| unique311 | got os8 running on basiliskII now...colorized | 21:06 |
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| unique311 | well 7.5.5 is color, but minor... | 21:07 |
| bill20r3 | hott. | 21:07 |
| unique311 | gonna try and find os9 | 21:07 |
| bill20r3 | is there a deb? | 21:07 |
| maddler | evening... | 21:07 |
| unique311 | no | 21:07 |
| unique311 | i have the binary | 21:07 |
| TimRiker | chmod u+s /bin/busybox will fix su | 21:07 |
| unique311 | and all the files needed. | 21:07 |
| unique311 | let me fix it up.. | 21:07 |
| unique311 | and up it | 21:08 |
| unique311 | or you want to wait till i find os9 | 21:08 |
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| bill20r3 | nah, let's have it. | 21:09 |
| unique311 | k... | 21:10 |
| ||cw | is the "mac II" a ppc or just a faster 68k? | 21:11 |
| bill20r3 | no idea. | 21:12 |
| ||cw | basiliskII says it's a 68k emu, I don't think os9 runs on 68k | 21:13 |
| ||cw | hm, actualy i do see a couple references to it | 21:13 |
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| * bill20r3 waits with os8 anticipation. | 21:19 | |
| unique311 | gonna take a minute...i chose the bluetooth route.. | 21:19 |
| unique311 | need to write some quick instructions... | 21:21 |
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| dragorn | there were a lot of mac IIs | 21:22 |
| dragorn | but they were all 68k of some variant | 21:22 |
| dragorn | I would be surprised if OS9 worked on a 68k box | 21:22 |
| bill20r3 | I have a bt kb, if that helps. | 21:22 |
| dragorn | they stopped making new 68k hardware around OS7.5 | 21:23 |
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| ||cw | 9.2 requires a G3, but I don't see any other min req lists | 21:33 |
| ||cw | http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=60498 | 21:34 |
| ||cw | "68k computers with Apple logic board upgrades are supported" | 21:34 |
| ||cw | so os9 will not run in that emu. period | 21:34 |
| unique311 | hmmm | 21:35 |
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| bill20r3 | I'll take the os8, as long as I can play that paper-airplane game. | 21:35 |
| ||cw | I'll take win98 over OS8 or 9 | 21:35 |
| unique311 | bosch | 21:36 |
| unique311 | writing instructions.. | 21:36 |
| ||cw | I have one os9 system that runs some crappy software. the software does what it is supposed to, the OS is a stability issue | 21:36 |
| bill20r3 | Mmmm | 21:38 |
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| bill20r3 | it's basilisk inside bochs? | 21:38 |
| unique311 | no | 21:39 |
| bill20r3 | ahh, k. | 21:39 |
| unique311 | i was saying he want win98 | 21:39 |
| unique311 | compile bochs and give it a try | 21:39 |
| bill20r3 | I heard someone did it, and it took a half hour to boot. | 21:41 |
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| unique311 | i included my prefs file and xpram file | 21:43 |
| unique311 | both start with . | 21:43 |
| unique311 | you can place them in your /home/user folder | 21:44 |
| bill20r3 | can I put them in a subdir, or should they be right in ~ ? | 21:44 |
| unique311 | only the prefs and xpram... | 21:45 |
| bill20r3 | oh, dotfiles, ok. | 21:45 |
| unique311 | if its not found in /home/user it will create them | 21:45 |
| unique311 | http://www.divshare.com/download/588430-44a | 21:45 |
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| unique311 | but you can follow the readme and get results...i think | 21:45 |
| unique311 | lol | 21:45 |
| unique311 | don't forget to chmod BasiliskII | 21:46 |
| unique311 | the size is 67MB unpacked... | 21:46 |
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| bill20r3 | heh, I guess it's going on a card. | 21:46 |
| unique311 | yeah | 21:46 |
| unique311 | the binary goes in /usr/bin | 21:47 |
| unique311 | everything else you can leave on card | 21:47 |
| unique311 | if you boot up in black in white....don't worry..normal,,you just have to change the settings in control panel in os8 | 21:48 |
| unique311 | what else | 21:48 |
| unique311 | well just have to wait until you start.. | 21:48 |
| bill20r3 | now to see if my wifi will stay up for a 34meg transfer | 21:49 |
| bill20r3 | and then if my n800 will unzip it today. | 21:49 |
| unique311 | do all this on you computer | 21:50 |
| unique311 | why the n800 | 21:50 |
| ||cw | unzip on the pc then use usb to put it on the card | 21:51 |
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| unique311 | yes | 21:51 |
| unique311 | must faster | 21:51 |
| unique311 | gonna make a video | 21:51 |
| unique311 | and upload it for you guys | 21:51 |
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| bill20r3 | do I need the __MACOSX stuff? | 21:55 |
| unique311 | no | 21:56 |
| unique311 | my hackintosh makes them..i don't know why | 21:56 |
| unique311 | guess a mac thing | 21:56 |
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| unique311 | bill20r3, you good to go? | 22:14 |
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| bill20r3 | back from lunch now. | 22:48 |
| unique311 | hows os8 | 22:49 |
| unique311 | made a video | 22:49 |
| bill20r3 | havent got it to boot yet. | 22:49 |
| bill20r3 | well I did, but it didnt like the disk I'd chosen | 22:49 |
| unique311 | hmmm | 22:49 |
| bill20r3 | what should the 'unix root' field say? | 22:49 |
| unique311 | / | 22:50 |
| unique311 | and you should create a disk... | 22:50 |
| unique311 | and add the os8.hfv | 22:50 |
| unique311 | create on called MacOS.hfv on the sd card somewhere | 22:50 |
| unique311 | 100MB | 22:50 |
| TimRiker | does the chat/video/voice conferencing use the proxy for the connection? or does it need a real public IP? | 22:50 |
| bill20r3 | create it how? | 22:51 |
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| unique311 | settings | 22:52 |
| unique311 | when you run BasiliskII | 22:52 |
| unique311 | setting should pop up | 22:52 |
| unique311 | and under the Volumes tab | 22:53 |
| bill20r3 | so, add the os8.hfv to that list? | 22:53 |
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| unique311 | yes ad os8.hfv | 22:54 |
| unique311 | and then create macos.hfv | 22:54 |
| unique311 | os8 i provided.. | 22:54 |
| unique311 | macos.hfv is 100MB no way was i going to provide that.. | 22:54 |
| unique311 | you can make it any size you would like.. | 22:55 |
| bill20r3 | os os8.hfv is the installer medial? | 22:55 |
| unique311 | pending on how muany apps,game,utilities,etc you will be install | 22:55 |
| bill20r3 | 'so' | 22:55 |
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| unique311 | os8 is the OS | 22:55 |
| bill20r3 | but is it an image of an allready-installed OS? | 22:56 |
| unique311 | but for some reason it requires a hardrive disk | 22:56 |
| bill20r3 | or is it an image of the install disks? | 22:56 |
| unique311 | so macos.hfv is the HDD | 22:56 |
| unique311 | yes | 22:56 |
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| unique311 | an image of an already installed OS | 22:56 |
| unique311 | which is os8 | 22:56 |
| unique311 | http://www.divshare.com/download/588882-712 | 22:57 |
| unique311 | here | 22:57 |
| unique311 | the video is not that good..but it'll help | 22:57 |
| bill20r3 | ok | 22:57 |
| keesj | what is os8? | 23:02 |
| unique311 | people are eating up the video... | 23:02 |
| unique311 | might be slow...think 9 people are dl ... | 23:02 |
| unique311 | old macintosh | 23:02 |
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| unique311 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_8 | 23:03 |
| bill20r3 | ok, it's starting up now. | 23:03 |
| bill20r3 | so do I create MacOS.hfv within basilisk, or some other way? | 23:04 |
| unique311 | within | 23:04 |
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| unique311 | Volumes tab gives you an option to do so.... | 23:05 |
| bill20r3 | and it'll just show as another drive in the finder? | 23:05 |
| unique311 | yes | 23:05 |
| bill20r3 | and then I can install stuff to it? | 23:05 |
| unique311 | yes | 23:05 |
| unique311 | you will not be able to on the system drive which is os8.hfv | 23:05 |
| bill20r3 | because it's full? | 23:05 |
| unique311 | but i'm not sure..might be able to....it is hfv and not dsk.. | 23:06 |
| unique311 | yes and no | 23:06 |
| unique311 | but i'll test it out.. | 23:06 |
| keesj | nice:) | 23:06 |
| unique311 | you can try and get internet working... | 23:06 |
| unique311 | and all that good stuff.. | 23:06 |
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| unique311 | not sure how to use tunnel..so i gave up | 23:06 |
| unique311 | gonna look for os8.1 i think they added the bar at the bottom on that one.. | 23:07 |
| unique311 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MacOS81_screenshot.png | 23:07 |
| unique311 | sheepshaver will run os9 | 23:10 |
| TimRiker | ugh. I don't understand why there is an initrd at all. | 23:11 |
| unique311 | for the decor maybe.. | 23:13 |
| unique311 | anything bill20re? | 23:13 |
| TimRiker | that and why they leave /mnt/initrd/proc and sys and tmp ugh. | 23:14 |
| TimRiker | well, at least there is a lot of room for improvement here. | 23:15 |
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| bill20r3 | 311, works fine. | 23:23 |
| bill20r3 | speed isn't too bad either. | 23:24 |
| unique311 | cool | 23:27 |
| unique311 | speed is actually better than half an hour to boot... | 23:28 |
| unique311 | 7.5.5 is supposed to be faster... | 23:28 |
| unique311 | but you be the judge. the same for me.. | 23:28 |
| unique311 | do you have a keyboard? | 23:33 |
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| florian | re | 23:44 |
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| geoffeg | Are you guys trying to get MacOS running on the 770 or 800? | 23:56 |
| geoffeg | natively? that's just silly! :) | 23:57 |
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| ||cw | uh, i think they are using an emu | 23:58 |
| geoffeg | not nearly as cool as porting MacOS to ARM | 23:59 |
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| ||cw | to port something you'd have to have the source code | 23:59 |
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