| k-s | qgil: I've talked to ferenc, thanks :-) | 00:01 |
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| qgil | k-s r welcome | 00:03 |
| qgil | alright, then I will set up a bit decently this group - flickr users: http://www.flickr.com/groups/373437@N21/ | 00:03 |
| qgil | or better said: http://www.flickr.com/groups/maemo/ | 00:06 |
| Tak | aww, you got in #2 | 00:06 |
| qgil | this happens because I'm too polite to ask in advance | 00:06 |
| Tak | hah, I thought your announcement was in the vein of, "I created a maemo group; feel free to add your photos" | 00:07 |
| Tak | I can remove them if you'd like ;-) | 00:07 |
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| k-s | qgil: too busy? | 00:11 |
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| qgil | Tak: "I created a maemo group; feel free to add your photos" was exactly what I meant - busy me? nah | 00:22 |
| Tak | ok - I don't want to be impolite | 00:23 |
| Tak | (despite my flickr nick) | 00:23 |
| *** qgil changes topic to "maemo is the application development platform for the Nokia Internet Tablets | Good questions deserve better answers | http://maemo.org | irc logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/os2007on770/ | http://www.flickr.com/groups/maemo/" | 00:24 | |
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| tigert | ...| My topic is longer than yours! ;) | 00:51 |
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| qgil | tigert: in fact now is shorter since I substituted the SoC url :P | 00:57 |
| tigert | :) | 00:57 |
| tigert | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0zgQAp7EYw | 00:57 |
| tigert | whoah, offtopic of the day | 00:57 |
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| maddler | yawn... | 01:06 |
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| tigert | sleep time | 01:10 |
| maddler | tigert: night... | 01:14 |
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| qgil | "Ubuntu Mobile and Embedded Edition" | 01:39 |
| qgil | this is getting really interesting | 01:39 |
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| tigert | no kidding | 01:43 |
| maddler | qgil: yup... | 01:46 |
| qgil | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-May/000289.html | 01:48 |
| qgil | with Intel, what means with Hildon | 01:49 |
| qgil | and what means GNOME Mobile | 01:49 |
| tigert | yeah | 01:49 |
| Tak | is nokia planning to stick with arm arch on the ITs? or no word yet? | 01:49 |
| tigert | what we need to push, | 01:49 |
| tigert | is a touchscreen, handheld mode of gtk and gnome HIG | 01:49 |
| qgil | Tak: my religion doesn't allow me talk about hardware dependencies | 01:50 |
| tigert | the needs are so different from the wheelmouse + keyboard usecase | 01:50 |
| Tak | heh | 01:50 |
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| shackan | gosh, the right column on the planet really takes up a load of space | 02:49 |
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| shackan | (mostly unused) | 02:49 |
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| Pupnik_ | it would be nice if maemo / itos / nokia tablets could generate right-click events | 02:53 |
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| Tak | generally it's click/hold | 02:54 |
| Tak | except in sdl ;-) | 02:54 |
| Tak | Pupnik: getting ready to do fceu release - any reason I shouldn't, should wait, or should include something else? | 02:55 |
| Pupnik | oh i didn't know that re clickhold | 02:56 |
| Pupnik | can't think of anything - haven't been following fceu | 02:56 |
| Tak | well, there hasn't been anything to follow since like Jan | 02:56 |
| Pupnik | are you building in gregale sdk? | 02:57 |
| Tak | mistral and bora | 02:57 |
| Pupnik | have you tried the mistral version in bora? | 02:57 |
| Pupnik | i'm still compiling everything in 2.2 and running it on itos2007 | 02:57 |
| Tak | since scirocco and gregale can generally use the mistral stuff | 02:57 |
| Tak | probably bora will run the mistral stuff | 02:58 |
| Pupnik | ok | 02:58 |
| Tak | but since I have a bora chroot anyway... | 02:58 |
| Pupnik | right | 02:58 |
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| Pupnik | "SquidgeSnes is probably fast enough now (a lot of games run at 60fps)" </jealousy> | 03:14 |
| Pupnik | "[But to emulate snes graphics hardware properly,] you have to process the graphics a scanline at a time because of HDMA/Window effects/sprites/color subtraction and addition/etc otherwise it just looks crap" | 03:17 |
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| Tak | wow @ http://carman.garage.maemo.org/ | 03:29 |
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| Pupnik | yeah | 03:33 |
| Pupnik | the video for the intel MID prototype | 03:33 |
| Pupnik | http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/linux-powered-mobile-internet-device-video-walkthrough/ | 03:33 |
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| Pupnik | comments: 1) that is typical korean geek prototype hardware design. 2) much as i hate intel it lokos really fast | 03:39 |
| Tak | hmm - either that thing is huge, or it's being operated by a six-year-old | 03:41 |
| Pupnik | yeah, | 03:47 |
| Pupnik | note he is awkwardly inserting his 'talking points' at the end | 03:47 |
| Pupnik | 'powered by intel and linux' | 03:47 |
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| * Pupnik is happy he discovered how to make 'chrome' objects with gimp :) | 03:51 | |
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| Tak | release complete | 03:56 |
| * Pupnik tests | 04:00 | |
| Pupnik | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... | 04:01 |
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| Pupnik | there we go | 04:03 |
| Trainwreck | does anyone know an easy way to get and install xephyr for opensuse? | 04:05 |
| Trainwreck | im kinda new to linux | 04:05 |
| Pupnik | hi Trainwreck | 04:06 |
| Pupnik | is there no xephyr package in the package installer? | 04:07 |
| Trainwreck | um, maybe how do i check? | 04:08 |
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| Pupnik | i don't know opensuse - perhaps it uses 'yast' or 'yast2' | 04:12 |
| Trainwreck | ya, im looking into that now | 04:12 |
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| Pupnik | looks great tak | 04:23 |
| Pupnik | quit button very welcome | 04:24 |
| Pupnik | nice that screenshots go into MyDocs/.images too | 04:28 |
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| * Tak nods | 04:31 | |
| Tak | press the Home key | 04:32 |
| Pupnik | brings up list of apps running (xterm) and home | 04:33 |
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| Tak | ...and pauses fceu | 04:33 |
| Pupnik | how to restore fceu? do not see an icon in sidebar (it2007) | 04:33 |
| Tak | what, there isn't? | 04:34 |
| Tak | not even an "unnamed" ? | 04:34 |
| Pupnik | just home and xterm | 04:34 |
| Tak | crap | 04:34 |
| Tak | you launched from xterm? | 04:34 |
| Pupnik | i don't have a it2006 install any more - so i can't test that | 04:34 |
| Pupnik | yes | 04:35 |
| Tak | is it different from xmaeme? | 04:35 |
| Pupnik | i don't ahve xmaeme installed | 04:35 |
| Pupnik | i see a fceu icon under extras, but it doesn't launch anything | 04:35 |
| Tak | yeah, I can't get rid of that | 04:35 |
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| Tak | there must be some reason the sdl_wm hack isn't working from xterm | 04:36 |
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| Pupnik | can't unpause after hitting home key | 04:38 |
| Tak | press one of the onscreen buttons | 04:38 |
| Pupnik | heh "How DARE you interrupt me!" rofl | 04:38 |
| Pupnik | ok that works | 04:38 |
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| * Pupnik will fight to the last to get emus playable on 770 | 04:47 | |
| Pupnik | if gp2x can do it, so can we | 04:47 |
| Tak | we need one arm/asm -savvy person interested in emulation on ITs | 04:48 |
| Pupnik | true | 04:48 |
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| Pupnik | how annoying - some 'smart' guy changed 'ls' to no longer put my _XYZ directories at the top | 04:59 |
| Tak | oh, a wise guy, eh?! | 04:59 |
| Pupnik | yeah and it's not disable-able | 05:02 |
| Pupnik | so i just rename all ^_ to ^0_ | 05:03 |
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| Pupnik | i should figure-out mud-builder for things like libphysfs-1.0-0_1.0.0-5_armel.deb | 05:16 |
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| unique311 | man, alias doest work in terminal wtf | 06:09 |
| Pupnik | alias moo='echo "moooooo..."' | 06:12 |
| Pupnik | moo | 06:12 |
| Pupnik | moooooo... | 06:12 |
| Pupnik | forgot the = sign unique311 ? | 06:15 |
| unique311 | o | 06:16 |
| unique311 | oh | 06:16 |
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| unique311 | thanks dude | 06:16 |
| unique311 | what about man | 06:17 |
| Pupnik | np - i do ti too | 06:17 |
| Pupnik | man pages were omitted for space reasons, afaik | 06:17 |
| unique311 | feck | 06:18 |
| unique311 | kk, gotta go...have to save juice here till 7 in the morning.. | 06:18 |
| Pupnik | cu | 06:19 |
| unique311 | gotta make bat last | 06:19 |
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| chibiace | they still wont sell it in nz :( | 08:41 |
| Pupnik | what | 08:41 |
| chibiace | i thought when they released n800 they would try and make an effort but no :( | 08:42 |
| Pupnik | too bad. how expensive is shipping from europe/japan? | 08:43 |
| chibiace | dunno, their site doesnt let you choose another country for them to ship it. there are sites like ebay but they are a huge inconvenience | 08:44 |
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| Pupnik | i think you have to buy from a reseller | 08:46 |
| chibiace | there isnt any :( | 08:46 |
| chibiace | im writing nokia an email like i did before | 08:46 |
| Pupnik | also ask on internettablettalk forums | 08:47 |
| Pupnik | http://www.nokia.com.au/nokia/0,,96080,00.html | 08:49 |
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| Pupnik | simple game to test Xsp pixel doubling here: http://pupnik.de/aliens-1.0.2_Nokia.tgz | 09:20 |
| Pupnik | doubling can be turned on with the F6 button (top-left button on Tablet) | 09:20 |
| Pupnik | this is also a good simple game to learn SDL programming | 09:20 |
| Pupnik | s/turned-on/toggled | 09:20 |
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| inz | Yay, the front page header links have been pulled from svn! | 09:38 |
| qgil | inz: front page? header links? svn? | 09:39 |
| qgil | (be a bit patient, I just woke up) :) | 09:40 |
| inz | qgil, upon new maemo.org site launch, the headers on the front page (Announcements, News, Planet Maemo) were not links | 09:42 |
| inz | qgil, and when I mentioned it on irc, X-Fade said that they'd already been fixed in svn | 09:42 |
| qgil | alright, thankas :) | 09:42 |
| qgil | well, somebodyy seems to have been working a lot in the last hours | 09:43 |
| qgil | fixed width for all pages, better font usage, the whole thing just looks much better noiw | 09:43 |
| qgil | wiki usable, planet looking good... oh, my, it's like the little men of Köln reparing shoes during the night! | 09:44 |
| inz | But the content width is now fixed :/ | 09:44 |
| qgil | yes, that was decided | 09:45 |
| inz | I've heard discussions on it, but never though it would actually happend... | 09:46 |
| qgil | simplifies lots of things, sopecially when you want to be as efficient in tablets and regular desktops | 09:46 |
| qgil | I have been in web development for years and this is one of the typical discussions for some is almost religious :) | 09:47 |
| inz | The two latest news from the old website are still missing from new website | 09:47 |
| qgil | let me see... | 09:47 |
| qgil | true, this is due to our long "transition", I'll fix this now | 09:48 |
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| Pupnik | how many accounts are there on maemo.org? | 09:55 |
| Pupnik | btw the demo http://pupnik.de/aliens-1.0.2_Nokia.tgz features a .mod tune i wrote 14 years ago :) | 09:56 |
| `0660_ | where's the one click install url to that game? :) | 09:57 |
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| Pupnik | it's not really worth playing - mainly a programming demo to show how SDL breaks Xsp pixel-doubling in maemo / it2006 / 2007 | 09:59 |
| Pupnik | xgalaga would be a good choice for a shoot-em-up | 09:59 |
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| `0660_ | i wonder if the rss reader will improve with the next update | 10:05 |
| `0660_ | it has been pretty lousy all the time and for the last two weeks i haven't even been able to refresh the feeds :) | 10:06 |
| qgil | inz: done, thanks (looking at lost pixels you end up mmissing the obvious) :/ | 10:06 |
| qgil | pupnik, can you be more specific about "how many accounts are there on maemo.org?" | 10:07 |
| Pupnik | just wondering vaguely. i can't log in using my garage account (ArnimS) | 10:08 |
| Pupnik | "Authentification Required" window pops up and won't let me in | 10:09 |
| qgil | pupnik: so you mean how many accounts has one user in maemo.org (and not how many accounts-usrrs) :) | 10:09 |
| Pupnik | i suppose | 10:09 |
| qgil | pupnik: this seems to be a bug, can you please report? | 10:09 |
| Pupnik | i can't get into bugzilla | 10:09 |
| qgil | bugzilla has different acount, still | 10:09 |
| Pupnik | ok i'll try making new accounts | 10:09 |
| qgil | but garage and maemo.org have the same | 10:09 |
| Pupnik | garage login works | 10:10 |
| qgil | and I'm logging with the same | 10:10 |
| qgil | but I had maemo.org account before the launch, so this might be the bug | 10:10 |
| Pupnik | A Bugzilla account for arnims@yahoo.com already exists. | 10:11 |
| Pupnik | i'll use a different email | 10:11 |
| qgil | pupnik why don't you just recover your password for that yahoo account? | 10:27 |
| Pupnik | i did that once, through the garage interface | 10:29 |
| Pupnik | should i do that on bugzilla? or will that reset my garage password? | 10:29 |
| inz | qgil, it was actually noticed by dpb_ | 10:30 |
| qgil | Pupnik: bugzilla and garage maemo accounts are totally independent | 10:30 |
| Pupnik | ok thanks | 10:30 |
| Pupnik | are bugzilla and maemo.org accounts also independent? | 10:30 |
| qgil | the family is: :) | 10:31 |
| qgil | garage and maemo.org are brother, bugzilla is unrelated (still) | 10:31 |
| inz | pupnik, garage accounts are maemo.org accounts | 10:31 |
| Pupnik | then why can't i log-on to maemo.org? | 10:31 |
| qgil | because there is a bug? :) | 10:31 |
| Pupnik | ok | 10:31 |
| inz | I can log in | 10:32 |
| qgil | inz did you log to test.maemo.org before the site was launched on friday? | 10:32 |
| inz | qgil, well, I have done that, but I have logged in today twice | 10:42 |
| qgil | yes, but it seems that we had accounts created already and therefore we can log now | 10:43 |
| qgil | people logging for the first time after the launch seem to be the ones getting the bug | 10:43 |
| qgil | Pupnik: let me know as soon as you have reported the bug, please | 10:44 |
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| jku | I've done that already, reopened my earlier bug about same thing | 11:10 |
| jku | Actually I reopened it before the launch, and then reopened it again because it got lost in the launch... | 11:11 |
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| jku | https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1152 | 11:12 |
| jku | what happened with the font size btw? | 11:13 |
| jku | I have a default font size of 16 in my browser, but a lot of text on maemo.org is tiny (wasn't yesterday) | 11:14 |
| * Pupnik is a html dinosaur and can't comment :) | 11:15 | |
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| jku | guess I'll file a bug on text size too | 11:19 |
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| qgil | jku: I guess the pragmatical conclusion is to use a site like http://www.ruby-lang.org/ as a reference of good practice in terms of fixed width and usability | 11:41 |
| qgil | fixed width and readbale content in i.e. Planet (there were complaints yesterday) are th main reasons why the fonts got smaller | 11:41 |
| qgil | but if you find specific cases were the fonts are too small you can comment, of course | 11:42 |
| qgil | the whole font/style thing needs more revision, probably | 11:42 |
| qgil | you can always increase size in the browser though :) | 11:42 |
| qgil | but i.e I also find too small some fints in the home | 11:42 |
| jku | qgil: I can't | 11:42 |
| qgil | the good thing is that playing with CSS is easy | 11:43 |
| jku | bugzilla comment bodies do not respect my default font setting | 11:43 |
| jku | but I filed that already :) | 11:43 |
| qgil | good :) | 11:43 |
| jku | they're really small on Firefox 2 | 11:43 |
| qgil | a url of example, please? | 11:44 |
| qgil | or the bug :) | 11:44 |
| jku | any bug is an example | 11:45 |
| jku | my bug has screenshot: https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1296 | 11:45 |
| qgil | jku: yeah, this is smaller than what Epiphany shows | 11:50 |
| qgil | (the amazing world of supported browsers) | 11:50 |
| qgil | btw 12 hours after its creation http://www.flickr.com/groups/maemo/ already rocks | 11:51 |
| qgil | haw haw is this a screenshot or a picture? http://www.flickr.com/photos/michaeldominic/372018049/in/pool-maemo/ :P | 11:53 |
| qgil | mdk you rule! | 11:54 |
| Pupnik | ? | 11:54 |
| Pupnik | i don't see screenshot/cpu monitor applet running | 11:54 |
| Pupnik | might be taken from maemo sdk | 11:54 |
| qgil | Pupnik: yesterday I installed this monitor applet in my n800 and it didn't show either - I thought it was me and I left it for later .... :? | 11:55 |
| Pupnik | i can't install it since i use it2007 hacker ed | 11:55 |
| Pupnik | are you the pilot qgil ? | 11:55 |
| qgil | I had it running in previous IT OS 2007 versions | 11:56 |
| qgil | pilot? | 11:56 |
| Pupnik | a couple of maemo people seem to be pilots. one designs airplanes too | 11:56 |
| qgil | not me, definitely | 11:57 |
| qgil | (I did hundreds of airplanes on paper when I was in school, but I guess you refer to something more sophisticated) Pupnik ;) | 11:58 |
| Pupnik | me too.. do you know who Burt Rutan is? | 11:58 |
| * qgil googles | 11:58 | |
| Pupnik | he was designing some of the first homebuilt aircraft sold around the usa back in early 1980s... beautiful canards - Vari-Eze etc | 11:59 |
| Pupnik | lol half of the maemo flickr photos are food | 12:00 |
| qgil | I was more in the line of http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a5/Paper_plane_diagram.png/260px-Paper_plane_diagram.png | 12:00 |
| Pupnik | lol | 12:00 |
| Pupnik | oh nm, i got on MDK's pics | 12:01 |
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| roope | Hello. | 12:05 |
| Pupnik | Hyvaa huomenta | 12:06 |
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| inz | Pupnik, here's some dots for you: .... | 12:06 |
| Pupnik | thanks! never know when those'll come in handy :) | 12:07 |
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| roope | three dots and you're out. | 12:11 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 13:12 |
| Pupnik | Bom dia! | 13:13 |
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| qgil | Pupnik: AD-N770 won't tell you because he's a polite guy but for your language improvement: bon dia ;) | 13:58 |
| Pupnik | i thought 'bom' was odd :) got it from a website | 13:59 |
| AD-N770 | hi qgil and pupnik | 14:00 |
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| Pupnik | yaay i figured out how to do the one-time shots and the key held stuff | 14:45 |
| Pupnik | <picture of retarded kid running> | 14:45 |
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| sussman | Pupnik: hey, is there a way to make the n800 read a usb disk? | 15:27 |
| sussman | instead of "act like a usb disk"? | 15:27 |
| Pupnik | i think it is possible, search n800 + "host mode" + usb | 15:27 |
| zuh | Only with some patching to the kernel | 15:27 |
| zuh | http://muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/ | 15:28 |
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| Pupnik | somebody was asking for penguin command? i just got it running in 800x480 | 19:50 |
| Pupnik | still some screen alignment/scaling issues remaining | 19:51 |
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| qgil | maddler: ping | 20:03 |
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| Pupnik | about 80% finished | 20:51 |
| Pupnik | quite a joke really... the game is full of hardcoded coordinates | 20:55 |
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| kpel | hi all | 21:36 |
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| Tak | Pupnik: buttons look good | 22:06 |
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| tortoise_ | Does anyone know how the maemo-mapper gp | 22:40 |
| tortoise_ | Does anyone know how the maemo-mapper gpx driving directions webservice works? | 22:40 |
| tortoise_ | Is the source available somewhere? | 22:42 |
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| Tak | has anybody made a lynx build? | 22:44 |
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| * bjv has a plan. | 22:45 | |
| bjv | instead of servicing my n770 to fix the broken 3.5mm jack, one could buy a battery powered jack & connect it with bluetooth? http://www.mobileplanet.com/p.aspx?i=125691 | 22:45 |
| bjv | anyone use bluetooth headphones with their nokia? | 22:46 |
| gla55 | fixing the jack would probably make more sense | 22:48 |
| gla55 | hmm | 22:48 |
| gla55 | does 770 support stereo over bt? | 22:48 |
| bjv | i did not see the word 'stereo' in the wiki article on bt | 22:49 |
| bjv | i assume that part of the protocol would be handled in software? | 22:49 |
| bjv | bt revisions seem to majorly involve making more bandwidth available | 22:49 |
| vbraun | you need a2dp for high quality audio. Don't know if the bt profile is supported... | 22:50 |
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| vbraun | anybody using Scratchbox on FC6? Is there any sane way to do so? | 23:00 |
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| bjv | i see that a2dp has only been built to work with alsa, not esd | 23:08 |
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| tortoise_ | any maemo-mapper gurus around? | 23:29 |
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| MDK | qgil: you rule, the new site finally up! | 23:46 |
| MDK | qgil: anything special I should know before editing? | 23:46 |
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