| com1 | ok, who here can prove that i amongston my internet tablet , and not a pc | 00:01 |
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| com1 | other than my bad spelling | 00:01 |
| com1 | and slow typing | 00:02 |
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| keesj | you want to prove that the n800 is not a (window) pc? | 00:08 |
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| Streg | where should i post bugs about GPEcalendar. i crashes after a few seconds with .ics webcal from scheduleworld. (it downloads the calendar enries though) | 00:09 |
| bhima | com1: I could give you a URL to a web site that popped up a new window. THe old window would run a bit of javascript that would keep updating me with the fact that you were still there. | 00:11 |
| bhima | com1: the new window would execute some terrible abomination of HTML that would crash Opera. | 00:11 |
| bhima | If the javascript died and stopped communicating, your'e on an N800. :) | 00:12 |
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| ljp | if you love it so much, why not marry it? | 00:17 |
| ljp | whoops | 00:17 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 00:17 |
| maddler | Streg: try mailing devs | 00:17 |
| Streg | maddler: probably the easiest way | 00:18 |
| * bhima wimpers. I want python on my N800. | 00:19 | |
| maddler | Streg: yep | 00:19 |
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| bhima | Has anybody seen an app to let you push URLs from your desktop/laptop to a maemo device? ie: I see a URL and I want to load it up on my n800. | 00:21 |
| Tak | del.icio.us ? | 00:21 |
| Streg | IM chat? | 00:21 |
| Veggen | bhima: it's really not that difficult. you just need to treat it as a debian system, look at what the package system tells you (view the log in app installer), and resolve the conflicts. | 00:22 |
| [mbm] | dsniff? :) | 00:22 |
| maddler | ssh to a txt | 00:22 |
| Veggen | I can't remember, but it wasn't that difficult to get python2.5 on my N800. | 00:22 |
| Tak | if you're going to ssh, you could launch a browser window directly | 00:22 |
| bhima | veggen: I'm not really familiar with Debian; last system I used was SuSE. The log doesn't have anything but a complaint that a public key couldn't be verified. | 00:23 |
| Veggen | oh. sure? | 00:24 |
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| bhima | I just looked right now... | 00:24 |
| bhima | It won't install the runtime because libglade, libsdl and libgdbm3 are missing. | 00:25 |
| Veggen | hmm. | 00:25 |
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| bhima | I'm thinking of using dund over bluetooth to accept URL requests. | 00:25 |
| maddler | brb | 00:26 |
| bhima | And then have a little window on my laptop that would let me drag URLs. | 00:26 |
| Veggen | bhima: libgdbm3 in repository.maemo.org bora/free | 00:26 |
| Veggen | I have no libglade or libsdl. | 00:26 |
| Veggen | (but python2.5) | 00:26 |
| bhima | I have bora-extras http://repository.maemo.org/extras dist: bora; components: free non-free | 00:27 |
| bhima | But I don't see libgdbm3. | 00:28 |
| Veggen | but, not extras. | 00:29 |
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| bhima | Ok, added, updated. Still not listed :( | 00:30 |
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| bhima | oh, there we go. It doesn't list those as packages, but it knows they're there. | 00:31 |
| * bhima watches Python download and gets ready to offer profuse thanks... | 00:32 | |
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| bhima | Thank you! python and pygame are there. | 00:34 |
| Veggen | you're welcome :) | 00:34 |
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| bhima | Am I the only one that thinks the N800 looks much more like a normal Nokia device? | 00:36 |
| Streg | bhima:true | 00:36 |
| bhima | Nokia seems to like lots of chrome and shiny things. THe 770 had none, essentially. | 00:36 |
| bhima | Personally, I loved the design of it. It didn't scream "shiny!" and didn't really have any things that were there just for adornment. | 00:37 |
| bhima | The N800 has lots of chrome, and lots of holes all around the front. | 00:37 |
| Streg | I think it was a concious decision from nokia. 770 seemed like a dev platform, n800 is more like a nokia branded product. | 00:37 |
| bhima | I got the feeling that the 770 was a skunkworks project. Perhaps they didn't go through many of Nokia's normal processes. | 00:38 |
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| Tak | I prefer the layout of the top buttons on the 770, and the front buttons on the n800 | 00:38 |
| bhima | The N800 went to their normal design team, who said "you can't identify it as an N series device at 500 yards. More chrome!" | 00:38 |
| Tak | I could go either way on the chorme | 00:38 |
| Tak | apparently I can go either way on the speeling as well | 00:39 |
| bhima | What about spelling? Any opinions on that? | 00:39 |
| bhima | I _hate_ the look and feel of the buttons on the top of the n800. power switch seems hard to press too. However, I don't think that I've had a single time when I didn't hit the button I intended to hit on the n800. | 00:40 |
| Tak | I only have opinions about speeling and scrooling | 00:40 |
| Tak | agreed @ hate | 00:40 |
| bhima | I was extremely unhappy with the choice of RS-MMC on the 770 - it's not like you can even use a small nifty connector on your PCB. You save so little space with it, yet you lose so much. | 00:41 |
| bhima | Dual SD slots make me very happy; having to use tweezers to remove the cards makes me sad. | 00:41 |
| Streg | bhima: don't bite your nails :p | 00:42 |
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| keesj | because of the stand on the n800 I now often have my left hand under the device, and I hit the lock / shutdown key form "under" | 00:42 |
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| bhima | In terms of browser quality, though, the N800 really is better. I was out driving with my wife, and she was using my 770 to find out info about where we were going. | 00:42 |
| bhima | opera kept going away. | 00:42 |
| bhima | I whipped out the N800, no problems. | 00:42 |
| Tak | the thumb usage improvements for the n800 are great | 00:43 |
| bhima | streg: I have never bitten my nails. THe card in question didn't have enough of a lip. | 00:43 |
| bhima | tak: what do you mean? | 00:43 |
| bhima | Hmm. Does NTP include DST update info? | 00:43 |
| Tak | I *never* have to take out the stylus on the n800 | 00:43 |
| bhima | I never have to on my 770 :P | 00:44 |
| Tak | I do | 00:44 |
| Tak | maybe you have dainty thumbs :-P | 00:44 |
| bhima | Of course, I can get away with my fingernail on my Newton, which has the hardest to press touch screen I have ever used. | 00:44 |
| bhima | (it's fine with normal pressure from a stylus; it's designed to feel like writing) | 00:44 |
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| Streg | btw. instant nerdfun (eta 6mins or so) at: http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/ | 00:48 |
| k-s | guys | 00:50 |
| k-s | canola is released | 00:50 |
| k-s | please give it a try | 00:50 |
| bhima | ooh, nifty rocket. | 00:50 |
| Tak | score | 00:51 |
| k-s | http://openbossa.indt.org/canola/repository-beta2/ | 00:51 |
| Tak | now I just have to get to a charger... | 00:51 |
| andrunko | \o/ | 00:51 |
| andrunko | finally | 00:51 |
| lsobral | \o/ | 00:51 |
| DrZeus | anyone experienced with getting a dev environment up on fedora? | 00:51 |
| bhima | Can you get close to launches like this? | 00:52 |
| Tak | do we have to specifically install a package for mplayer backend? | 00:52 |
| k-s | Tak: it's not released yet | 00:53 |
| k-s | Tak: andrunko will do it soon | 00:53 |
| andrunko | Tak: i am really tired to release it today | 00:53 |
| * Tak sighs | 00:53 | |
| andrunko | but i will do it really soon, it's already done and working | 00:53 |
| bhima | ahh, next shuttle launch is ~March 15. | 00:54 |
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| s-ndh-c | hm | 00:56 |
| k-s | ok | 00:56 |
| k-s | we'll have to go... | 00:57 |
| k-s | it's friday, night... and carnival is already happening... and we're working | 00:57 |
| s-ndh-c | i followed the wiki page about installing sardine to my mmc card | 00:57 |
| * k-s thinks we should be the last bastards working here in Recife | 00:57 | |
| s-ndh-c | how does that stuff work? | 00:57 |
| s-ndh-c | mount still lists /dev/mtdblock4 as / | 00:57 |
| k-s | report bugs to our garage tracker | 00:58 |
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| k-s | andrunko, chenca, lsobral: let's go | 00:58 |
| lardman|home | night all | 00:58 |
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| lsobral | lets drink some beer now :) | 00:59 |
| Tak | night - enjoy carnival (if it's even impossible not to do so) | 00:59 |
| andrunko | i will enjoy the carnival now :) | 00:59 |
| Tak | err | 00:59 |
| Tak | s/im// | 00:59 |
| andrunko | :) | 00:59 |
| andrunko | bye all | 00:59 |
| andrunko | enjoy canola ;) | 00:59 |
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| hp | oops! | 01:00 |
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| s-ndh-c | it displays booting from mmc2 then after some seconds it displays booting from flash | 01:12 |
| s-ndh-c | something is wrong i guess | 01:12 |
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| maddler | a guy on ebay is selling a N800 at 510E! | 01:39 |
| maddler | :| | 01:40 |
| bhima | Is a guy buying? | 01:40 |
| maddler | man... I hope no one can be *so* stupid to pay 110eur more than what he could pay from nokia store! | 01:41 |
| bhima | Will he ship to places Nokia won't? | 01:41 |
| maddler | no... he's only shipping to italy... as far as I can read... | 01:42 |
| maddler | and anyway that would be too much! | 01:43 |
| bhima | Yes, but it would be _something_ extra. | 01:43 |
| maddler | 100 plus shipping is not *something* man... | 01:44 |
| bhima | erm, what I mean is, you could say "that wasn't worth Eu100." Now, you can just say, "You threw away Eu100" | 01:44 |
| maddler | btw... just found that N80 can download firmware upgrades using wi-fi... nice... | 01:44 |
| bhima | N80 or N800? | 01:44 |
| maddler | bhima: hehehe... | 01:44 |
| maddler | N80 phone | 01:45 |
| maddler | I'm a Nokia addicted... :) | 01:45 |
| * bhima pets his E70. | 01:45 | |
| maddler | E70 is nice as well... | 01:46 |
| bhima | I need to make my E70 into a 770 keyoard. | 01:46 |
| maddler | I think it could be my next phone... replacing E61 :) | 01:47 |
| bhima | My phone has more pixels than your phone. :P | 01:47 |
| maddler | hahahahahahaha | 01:47 |
| maddler | my N800 has more $WHATEVER than your phone! | 01:47 |
| maddler | hahahahahaha | 01:47 |
| bhima | seriously, it has a lot more. but interestingly, they're bigger so you get more data on your screeen. | 01:48 |
| bhima | Your N800 has fewer radios than my phone. | 01:48 |
| myren | FM, BT and wifi make three. | 01:48 |
| maddler | myren: :) | 01:48 |
| myren | i'm not sure what four wifis a phone would have | 01:48 |
| bhima | pfft. receivers don't count. | 01:48 |
| maddler | bhima: N800 wins! | 01:49 |
| bhima | My pen has more microprocessors than your N800. :P | 01:49 |
| bhima | My phone has bluetooth, wifi, and three GSM radios. | 01:49 |
| myren | no, your phone is triband | 01:49 |
| myren | it has PLL to select a frqeuency | 01:49 |
| myren | otherwise the FM tuner is like 24 recievers | 01:49 |
| maddler | myren: kick him! :D | 01:49 |
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| bhima | I know what a PLL is. I wrote text poorly... | 01:50 |
| myren | just make sure you'r not trying to claim >3. ;) | 01:50 |
| bhima | My phone has a vibrator. THat is actually something that I wish the N800 had. | 01:50 |
| myren | that would be nice actually. | 01:51 |
| bhima | Also, my phone can do standards-based SIP out of the box. | 01:51 |
| maddler | bhima: I can make N800 vibrate! | 01:51 |
| myren | i'm not really an out of the box sorta guy. i make my own boxes. | 01:51 |
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| maddler | I only need to put it on my phone and call my number! :D | 01:51 |
| bhima | myren: I made it do SIP to a SIP server I compiled from source. Does that count? :) | 01:52 |
| myren | yup! | 01:52 |
| bhima | Also, it can use bluetooth headsets. | 01:52 |
| myren | bonus points if it involved more than make; make install; .:) | 01:52 |
| bhima | myren: well, I needed to configure three config files and point them at my VoIP provider after I did the make install... | 01:53 |
| * myren is not actualyl sure the build environment scratchbox provides | 01:53 | |
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| bhima | I need to get scratchbox working again on my mac. Once I have enough drive space. | 01:53 |
| myren | bonus points awarded! :) | 01:53 |
| bhima | What about having two ARM9 CPUs in my pen? Along with a TCP/IP stack. | 01:54 |
| myren | i'm afraid of being all out or prizes | 01:54 |
| myren | what pen? i'm looking at digitizing pens &stuff | 01:54 |
| myren | trying to find something slick | 01:54 |
| bhima | My pen needs to boot before I can use it. | 01:54 |
| myren | that has a prayer of working in linux | 01:54 |
| bhima | Nokia SU-1b. | 01:55 |
| bhima | Oh, this one is one of those sexy Anoto based pens. | 01:55 |
| bhima | You need to print your own paper if you want it to do nifty things. | 01:55 |
| myren | :( | 01:55 |
| myren | theres some that'll just work with any paper | 01:55 |
| bhima | AFAIK, if you want to do sexy stuff with this pen, you have two choices: license an SDK for Eu3k or so... | 01:55 |
| bhima | myren: Not doing what this one does. | 01:55 |
| bhima | This one will know what page your'e on. | 01:55 |
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| bhima | Your other option is to hassle me for my code. :) | 01:56 |
| myren | if i can stream the raw live input, i'll right the drivers for it | 01:56 |
| Magi | is that digital pen actually of any use? | 01:56 |
| myren | you have the nokia sdk? | 01:56 |
| bhima | I have no SDK. | 01:56 |
| bhima | I, erm. wrote my own. :) | 01:56 |
| myren | i really want to write drivers for a pen some day | 01:57 |
| myren | i think that would be just amazingly cool | 01:57 |
| bhima | You can get a special firmware version that will stream live pen data. I don't have that, and honestly don't really want it. | 01:57 |
| bhima | THe way it works right now, you write on the page and it stores your strokes. | 01:57 |
| bhima | Hit "send book" and it sends all new strokes from every page in the book over bluetooth OBEX in a .PGC file. | 01:57 |
| myren | storing andd then processsing later is worthelss to me | 01:58 |
| myren | i want something i can use realtime | 01:58 |
| maddler | time to hit the bed here... | 01:58 |
| maddler | later dudes... | 01:58 |
| bhima | I think the R3 project from Stanford has some nifty stuff. | 01:58 |
| myren | night maddler | 01:58 |
| maddler | bye | 01:58 |
| myren | i'm having trouble googline R3 | 01:59 |
| bhima | I may have forgotten the name. one moment. | 01:59 |
| bhima | what do you want to do with the pen? | 01:59 |
| myren | hyperlinked note taking and to send commands to my computer | 02:00 |
| myren | i cant wait till i can call my computers 'decks'. | 02:00 |
| bhima | hyperlinked note taking doesn't require real-time. | 02:00 |
| bhima | sending commands, yeah, that would be nicer real-time. | 02:00 |
| myren | i plan on having interactivity with the screen | 02:00 |
| myren | during note taking | 02:00 |
| bhima | One of the nifty pads of paper somebody makes actually lets you make notes in the margins to tell the system what to dow ith the paper. | 02:01 |
| bhima | so you can tell it, "convert this grid of numbers into a spreadhseet document" | 02:01 |
| myren | nniiccee | 02:02 |
| myren | the thing is | 02:02 |
| bhima | The original ANoto-based pen, the Ericsson Chatpen, actually included handwriting recognition within the _pen_. | 02:02 |
| myren | if i have something that can do realtime streaming | 02:02 |
| bhima | only for carefully marked sections. | 02:02 |
| myren | i can write the entire platform myself | 02:02 |
| bhima | Right. | 02:02 |
| bhima | If you can get the right firmware for the pen, you can do that. | 02:02 |
| myren | i dont know all the conventions i want now | 02:02 |
| myren | there was a pad on engadget recently | 02:02 |
| myren | $80 | 02:02 |
| myren | its a pad, so the absolute positioning will probably be much better | 02:03 |
| bhima | http://hci.stanford.edu/paper/ | 02:03 |
| myren | v. a pen which has to use accelerometers to detect positioning | 02:03 |
| bhima | hmm? | 02:03 |
| bhima | You're thinking this pen uses accelerometers? | 02:03 |
| bhima | I don't think anybody uses accelerometers. | 02:03 |
| myren | well, say you write the title on the page | 02:03 |
| bhima | I don't even think it's possible to do it using accelerometers. | 02:03 |
| myren | and then you go scribbe some stuff on the footer | 02:03 |
| myren | how does the pen know where in the page you are writing? | 02:04 |
| bhima | magic. :) | 02:04 |
| bhima | There's a patternof dots. | 02:04 |
| Fatal | gps :D | 02:04 |
| bhima | 0.3mm pitch | 02:04 |
| bhima | 6x6 grid of them gives you absolute position. | 02:04 |
| bhima | with the _entire_ paperspace... | 02:04 |
| bhima | which is much larger than a single peice of paper... | 02:04 |
| bhima | each dot is up/left/right/down that's it. | 02:04 |
| myren | theres definately advantages to the "camera" based approach | 02:05 |
| bhima | This one requires the special paper, period. | 02:05 |
| bhima | It doens't take pictures of your writing. | 02:05 |
| bhima | It does note pressure data as well. | 02:05 |
| myren | you said you print out our paper? | 02:06 |
| bhima | Yup. I have a custom type 3 font I wrote. | 02:06 |
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| bhima | You need a good printer, but those are getting cheaper. | 02:06 |
| bhima | 1200dpi or greater laser is best. | 02:06 |
| bhima | Also, if you want to print anything, you can't print it in black, cause then it'll interfere. | 02:07 |
| bhima | Professionally published notebooks have a type of ink, "Anoto Special Black" which doesn't absorb IR, iirc. | 02:07 |
| bhima | It's invisible to the pen; you print the dots with carbon black, and the text visible to the human using Anoto Special Black. | 02:08 |
| * myren nods | 02:08 | |
| myren | heh | 02:08 |
| bhima | If you have a laser or ink jet that you can make print 100% CMY, then you can fake it. | 02:08 |
| bhima | Note that many lasers will do automatic grey component replacement. | 02:08 |
| bhima | And you can often not turnt hat off. | 02:08 |
| bhima | So I have some things like a notebook that is synced to a PDF. | 02:08 |
| bhima | I also integrated google maps with a notebook. | 02:09 |
| bhima | Use google maps, find an area you care about. | 02:09 |
| bhima | It auto-generates a postscript document combining the google maps images for that area, and checks out a section of the dot space for you to use. | 02:09 |
| Veggen | mmmf. | 02:09 |
| Veggen | Can I configure canola to ignore certain paths? | 02:10 |
| bhima | When you draw an X on an area on the map, and check magic boxes on the bottom to indiate the annotations you care about, it adds that info to the map as little flags. | 02:10 |
| bhima | The size of the virtual dot space is...big... | 02:10 |
| myren | is this for grad research? | 02:10 |
| bhima | for fun. | 02:10 |
| Veggen | It's indexing a rather huge Maemo-mapper cache, right now...not the pictures I'd like indexed ;) | 02:10 |
| Fatal | :D | 02:11 |
| bhima | myren: wanna guess how big the dot space is? :) | 02:11 |
| bhima | 6x6 grid, 2 bits per dot. 72 bits. | 02:11 |
| myren | inch by inch | 02:12 |
| myren | little bigger | 02:12 |
| bhima | The pen has the ability to position itself absolutely. | 02:12 |
| bhima | You can touch it on a certain part of a certain page, and it will immediately know which page your'e on and where on the page. | 02:12 |
| myren | http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/08/genius-introduces-the-g-note-7100-digital-pad/ | 02:13 |
| myren | fricking 8 days ago and like 30 pages back through egnadget | 02:13 |
| myren | christ | 02:13 |
| bhima | Every book has 128 possible pages. | 02:14 |
| myren | unfortuantely i highly doubt the ability to stream. especially since theres no wifi | 02:14 |
| bhima | Then they divide it up into shelves, then sections. | 02:14 |
| bhima | The virtual dot space is bigger than Europe and Asia combined. | 02:15 |
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| myren | i gotta roll, friends last day at work, going drinking | 02:16 |
| myren | thanks for the chat | 02:16 |
| bhima | have fun. | 02:16 |
| myren | fun talking about that shit | 02:16 |
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| konfoo | irc from terminal? :) | 02:33 |
| maddler | irssi | 02:37 |
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| s-ndh-c | irssi ownz! | 02:40 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 02:40 |
| s-ndh-c | best irc client ever | 02:40 |
| bhima | agreed. | 02:40 |
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| user_ | BitchX pwnz joo | 02:47 |
| matt_c | mmm canola | 02:47 |
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| Tak|770 | where is the syslog on an IT? | 05:08 |
| Tak|770 | all I have in /var/log is fontconfig.log | 05:14 |
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| kulve | Tak|770: it's not installed by default | 07:29 |
| Tak|770 | eek - so what should I install ? | 07:33 |
| kulve | apt-get install sysklogd | 07:36 |
| Tak|770 | cool, thanks | 07:36 |
| kulve | but thay may log a lot to flash and some people are afraid of flash wearing out | 07:36 |
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| Tak|770 | got it | 07:42 |
| Tak|770 | will be temporary | 07:42 |
| kulve | n800 or 770? | 07:43 |
| kulve | 770, I guess? | 07:44 |
| Tak|770 | 770 | 07:49 |
| Tak|770 | although it'll probably go to n800 once it works | 07:49 |
| kulve | http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2007/01/27/maemo-service-handler/ | 07:49 |
| kulve | that can be used to start and stop syslog style services | 07:50 |
| kulve | so they can be used only when needed | 07:50 |
| kulve | I have a 770 version too.. | 07:50 |
| Tak|770 | killer | 07:50 |
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| Sulis | heeeey, what memory card(s) should i order along with my n800? | 10:41 |
| Sulis | should i just go for one 2gb miniSD or go for a 4gb miniSD for twice the price? or...like...get the 2gb now and wait for SDHC? | 10:43 |
| Magi | 4gb are not compatible according to specs, but might still work | 10:45 |
| Sulis | i've read that they have worked | 10:47 |
| Sulis | i don't know if they will all work though i guess | 10:47 |
| tolgam | Sulis: you will find some answers there : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3895 | 10:49 |
| guerby | Sulis, Transcend TS4GSDC and TS4GSD150 work for me (both 4GB for ~40-50 euros each), only caveat is that you have to format them from your PC, mkdosfs on N800 won't create more than 2GB file system | 10:52 |
| Sulis | ok, i guess you've just formatted them to fat32 though? | 10:54 |
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| Sulis | there's someone on that forum who has posted that the transcend 150 doesn't work...hmm | 11:12 |
| konfoo | i did | 11:16 |
| Sulis | yes, you did | 11:17 |
| Sulis | did you get it working at all? | 11:17 |
| konfoo | nah. i just sent the card back to transcend yesterday actually | 11:18 |
| Sulis | oh right, did you try to reformat it on your pc? | 11:19 |
| konfoo | yeah | 11:19 |
| konfoo | works fine there | 11:19 |
| Sulis | but it still didn't work in your n800? | 11:19 |
| konfoo | no, didnt work in 3 n800s | 11:19 |
| Sulis | ah-hah | 11:19 |
| konfoo | fat32 or ext2 | 11:19 |
| Sulis | oh, that's irritating then | 11:20 |
| konfoo | very :) | 11:20 |
| konfoo | ill see what happens when i get a replacement | 11:20 |
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| Sulis | yeah | 11:20 |
| Sulis | perhaps i'll order one 2gb card and one 4gb card then, to be sure that i have at least one card that works... | 11:21 |
| konfoo | i have 2x2gb cards in the n800 right now | 11:22 |
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| Sulis | i kinda don't want to that | 11:25 |
| i386 | hey | 11:25 |
| i386 | anyone here know about the hildon C# bindings? | 11:25 |
| Sulis | i don't really want my music to be scattered accross two cards | 11:26 |
| jonek | hi | 11:29 |
| konfoo | Sulis: haha yeah.. i agree | 11:33 |
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| Sulis | konfoo: did you have the TS4GSD150? | 12:08 |
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| mgedmin | nomis: if I build and run statusbar-clock in scratchbox, it doesn't use mirrored digits | 12:23 |
| mgedmin | do you know why? | 12:23 |
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| mgedmin | canola's user interface RULES! | 12:51 |
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| Sulis | hummm, there's already a patch for the n800's kernel for sdhc :O | 12:54 |
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| maddler | mgedmin: as alaways :D | 13:00 |
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| mgedmin | one thing I can't figure out: doesn't canola have a shuffle setting? | 13:29 |
| mgedmin | ah, I have to choose random from the menu | 13:30 |
| mgedmin | hm, I cannot tap on menu items to select them, I have to tap on the arrows | 13:32 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 13:49 |
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| Guard][an | hello maemo | 13:58 |
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| nomis | mgedmin: you might need to change the source to use the correct pixdata structure in line 272. | 14:12 |
| nomis | eh, wait. | 14:13 |
| nomis | mgedmin: I am unsure right now, I might have been confusing something. | 14:13 |
| nomis | mgedmin: line 483 is where the pixdata gets deserialized. | 14:14 |
| mgedmin | or perhaps the statusbar is smaller in the theme in the SDK | 14:14 |
| nomis | I don't think so. | 14:15 |
| mgedmin | and the mirror effect is cut off? | 14:15 |
| nomis | mgedmin: it is more likely that I confused something and converted the wrong png into the header file. | 14:15 |
| mgedmin | ah, so the 0.6 source tarball may not match the 0.6 deb? | 14:15 |
| nomis | mgedmin: did you download that stuff from garage? | 14:16 |
| mgedmin | another thing I've noticed is that clicking on the clock shows me TZ="lallalaa" | 14:16 |
| mgedmin | instead of the data/time | 14:16 |
| mgedmin | I downloaded the stuff from garage | 14:16 |
| mgedmin | also, the version in svn matches exactly the 0.6 source tarball | 14:16 |
| nomis | the TZ="something" is supposed to be some debug output for the TZ variable. If TZ indeed is "lallalaa" then nokia did not fix the problem with the use of TZ. | 14:17 |
| * nomis used to see binary garbage instead of readable thext there though. | 14:17 | |
| mgedmin | lalallala is just a substitute, I don't remember the exact string | 14:18 |
| nomis | mgedmin: ok. | 14:18 |
| mgedmin | and it happens only in scratchbox, the armel deb works fine | 14:18 |
| mgedmin | (in scratchbox with a 386 deb I compiled from the svn sources) | 14:18 |
| nomis | mgedmin: oh, you are trying the thing in scratchbox itself? Yeah, TZ is definitely messed up there. | 14:18 |
| mgedmin | TZ=":/scratchbox/etc/localtime" | 14:18 |
| mgedmin | looks good to me | 14:19 |
| nomis | mgedmin: it probably won't happen if you try it on the device itself. | 14:19 |
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| nomis | mgedmin: its wrong though. I don't remember exactly what is supposed to be in TZ, but this is a value that cannot get interpreted by libc, and thus gets interpreted as "UTC". | 14:20 |
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| nomis | which only happens to be correct if you are actually in UTC. | 14:20 |
| nomis | There is a bug in bugzilla about that. | 14:20 |
| mgedmin | oh? | 14:20 |
| nomis | There I dumped all the stuff I learned about that when I tried to debug time-offsets (panelclock showing a different time than the clock on the desktop). | 14:21 |
| mgedmin | I'm pretty sure glibc understands this value... | 14:21 |
| nomis | But I probably could have told it a wall as well. | 14:21 |
| mgedmin | but there is something screwy with timezone settings in the n770/n800 | 14:22 |
| mgedmin | anyway, what I would like to do, is to make statusbar-clock switch to white digits if the statusbar background of the selected theme is dark | 14:22 |
| nomis | mgedmin: https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=225 | 14:22 |
| mgedmin | the only way I can think of if to extract the current theme from the _MB_THEME root window property | 14:22 |
| nomis | mgedmin: yeah, there is some code that recolors a pixbuf without changing the alpha channel, which is useful for this. The problem is to figure out a usable color. | 14:23 |
| mgedmin | load qgn_plat_application_status_bar_background.png from the images/ subdir | 14:23 |
| mgedmin | sample the pixel in the middle | 14:23 |
| mgedmin | and choose black or white depending on that | 14:23 |
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| nomis | mgedmin: yeah, something like this, or sample the whole region and scale the resulting pixbuf down to a single pixel to get an average color. Getting the proper time to sample from screen was what stopped me at that point. | 14:24 |
| mgedmin | how about do it on startup? | 14:25 |
| mgedmin | and then watch for property notification events on the root window | 14:25 |
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| nomis | mgedmin: what does "on startup" mean? When the widget is realized? When it gets mapped? After the first expose event? (Probably the expose event, this unfortunately needs some hacking around, one can no longer simply set the GtkImage, since then it would be included into the sampled pixels) | 14:28 |
| mgedmin | in statusbarclock_initialize | 14:28 |
| mgedmin | I am not thinking about sampling the screen | 14:28 |
| mgedmin | but loading the theme image | 14:28 |
| nomis | oh. | 14:29 |
| nomis | ok, that might work. | 14:29 |
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| nomis | mgedmin: how does one determine the theme image for the applet background? | 14:29 |
| mgedmin | the _MB_THEME property on the X root window has the path to the matchbox theme directory | 14:30 |
| mgedmin | there's a theme.xml in it that tells matchbox to draw the status bar at certain coordinates with a certain image | 14:30 |
| mgedmin | I'm not sure I'm up to parsing XML in C yet, so I think I'll hardcode the image name to "../images/qgn_plat_application_status_bar_background.png" | 14:30 |
| nomis | *matchbox* draws the theme there? | 14:30 |
| mgedmin | yes | 14:31 |
| nomis | yikes. | 14:31 |
| mgedmin | there's also _MB_THEME_NAME property | 14:31 |
| mgedmin | that theme.xml file is rather interesting | 14:31 |
| mgedmin | _MB_THEME, in all cases I saw, was /usr/share/themes/$_MB_THEME_NAME/matchbox | 14:31 |
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| mgedmin | with a trailing slash even | 14:31 |
| mgedmin | I wonder if the theme selection dialog is part of the open-source packages... | 14:32 |
| mgedmin | maybe there's a better way to figure out the current theme | 14:32 |
| mgedmin | gconf would be nice, but I couldn't find the theme name anywhere in gconf | 14:32 |
| nomis | ok, thinking about it some more, it indeed makes sense that matchbox draws the theme. It is after all window decoration... | 14:33 |
| Jaffa | nomis: you can't talk sense when it comes to window decoration and theming on Maemo, otherwise Matchbox would be drawing the window border rather than HildonWindow (on the right/bottom edges) | 14:34 |
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| Jaffa | keesj: I've setup a test mud repo and am in the process of ensuring that `mud -a build' works on ARM. | 14:34 |
| nomis | Jaffa: ok, I'll stop then ;) | 14:34 |
| * mgedmin is trying to translate a Python one-liner into C: gtk.gdk.get_default_root_window().property_get("_MB_THEME") | 14:35 | |
| nomis | mgedmin: "You are advised to use XGetWindowProperty() directly until a replacement function for gdk_property_get() is provided." :) | 14:35 |
| mgedmin | I saw that :) | 14:36 |
| Jaffa | Actually, *is* there a good reason Matchbox doesn't draw the right/bottom edges of the theme? Making the windows the size of the application area would mean HildonWindow would have to do less which fits with Nokia's "don't fork too much" Gtk strategy | 14:36 |
| keesj | Jaffa: I have done something similar , does you repo also have the source deb files and i386 stuff? | 14:36 |
| nomis | (from the gdk documentation) | 14:36 |
| keesj | Jaffa: What sdk are you using?> | 14:36 |
| Jaffa | keesj: it could do | 14:36 |
| keesj | Jaffa: I don't know if they will work :p | 14:36 |
| nomis | mgedmin: sorry, i have to run. You're welcome to hack on this. | 14:36 |
| Jaffa | keesj: 2.1 still. Need to sort out a system for 2.2 and 3.0 building. | 14:36 |
| keesj | my scripts still fails to add the icons in the Packages.gz | 14:37 |
| * Jaffa 's been more concerned with actually ensuring everything builds :) | 14:38 | |
| keesj | this is the "repo" makefile I use http://paste-it.net/1281 | 14:39 |
| keesj | and this the "all" file , http://paste-it.net/1282/raw/ | 14:40 |
| keesj | Jaffa: did you try my dsl maemo sdk? I would be willing to add scripts so that a fresh install is tested every day | 14:41 |
| Jaffa | keesj: `mud -a build' works in latest svn | 14:41 |
| Jaffa | keesj: not yet - been ill the last week and only really started picking stuff up again yesterday. | 14:41 |
| Jaffa | Food time. | 14:41 |
| keesj | and I was in a bugalow park with no internet | 14:42 |
| * mgedmin wonders if X properties of type STRING have a trailing \0 or not | 14:44 | |
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| nomis | mgedmin: you are right about the TZ=:* thing: http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/TZ-Variable.html | 14:47 |
| mgedmin | yeah, I think that's where I saw it documented | 14:47 |
| nomis | (however, the value on the 770 definitely was bogus, it just had four apparently random letters/control characters) | 14:47 |
| nomis | and it was one of the desktop applets that messed with it. | 14:48 |
| mgedmin | the string I pasted for you was in scratchbox | 14:48 |
| mgedmin | I don't know what it looks like on n800 | 14:48 |
| mgedmin | I could figure out, though | 14:48 |
| mgedmin | ... appears to be undefined | 14:49 |
| mgedmin | according to sudo grep TZ /proc/*/environ | 14:49 |
| nomis | mgedmin: with or without the RSS applet? | 14:50 |
| mgedmin | with the RSS applet | 14:50 |
| nomis | ok, maybe this got fixed on the N800. | 14:50 |
| mgedmin | how do I load a png into memory with gtk? | 14:51 |
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| nomis | gdk_pixbuf_new_from_file | 14:51 |
| mgedmin | thanks | 14:51 |
| mgedmin | hm, http://www.gtk.org/api/2.6/gdk/ix01.html doesn't know anything about it | 14:52 |
| nomis | might be useful to use gdk_pixbuf_new_from_file_at_scale() with width/height = 1. | 14:52 |
| nomis | mgedmin: gdkpixbuf is a separate library | 14:52 |
| mgedmin | ah | 14:52 |
| mgedmin | cool | 14:53 |
| nomis | mgedmin: and I recommend installing devhelp, it sometimes is a bit cumbersome to navigate, but it helps tremendously with discovering functions. | 14:53 |
| nomis | (via search function) | 14:53 |
| mgedmin | thanks for the suggestion | 14:53 |
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| mgedmin | hm, the error argument of gdk_pixbuf_new_from_file... can I pass NULL there? | 15:00 |
| mgedmin | if not, do I have to free it with g_free, or g_object_unref, or what? | 15:00 |
| mgedmin | maybe I should join #gtk | 15:01 |
| nomis | mgedmin: you can pass NULL. | 15:04 |
| nomis | if you pass an error variable make sure its content is NULL first - otherwise GTK will complain. | 15:05 |
| nomis | (to prevent you from "piling up" errors without clearing them first) | 15:05 |
| nomis | you can use g_clear_error() to reset it after handling the error (whatever that means) | 15:05 |
| nomis | GError *err = NULL; | 15:06 |
| nomis | do_function_invocation (..., &err); | 15:07 |
| nomis | if (err) handle_error(); | 15:07 |
| nomis | g_clear_error (&err); | 15:07 |
| nomis | or just pass NULL as location if you want to ignore the error anyway. | 15:07 |
| * nomis is away now for real. | 15:08 | |
| keesj | Is there a maemo-mapper developer around? | 15:08 |
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| mgedmin | can I install plankton in scratchbox? | 15:12 |
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| mgedmin | the hildon-theme-cacher deb appears to be armel-only | 15:13 |
| mgedmin | hm, the theme selector is not available in scratchbox either :/ | 15:15 |
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| mgedmin | ok, time to brick my device ;) | 15:19 |
| keesj | Jaffa: I know U sent an email talking about the steps for acepting new packages , I can't find it any more | 15:20 |
| keesj | It was about the workflow | 15:20 |
| mgedmin | Jaffa: I built vim 7.0 with mud-builder; where should I send the patch? | 15:22 |
| keesj | melmoth: in the mud patch tracker | 15:23 |
| keesj | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?atid=295&group_id=63&func=browse | 15:23 |
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| mgedmin | haha! success! | 15:28 |
| mgedmin | I have a white clock | 15:28 |
| keesj | clock? | 15:28 |
| mgedmin | statusbar-clock | 15:29 |
| keesj | alright the pixel thing :) | 15:29 |
| mgedmin | now what's a good way to pick contrasting colours? | 15:30 |
| mgedmin | currently I have an if (r+g+b >= 0x80 * 3) { use black } else { use white } | 15:30 |
| mgedmin | it picks black for plankton | 15:31 |
| mgedmin | while I expected white | 15:31 |
| maddler | yawn! | 15:38 |
| * maddler need coffee! | 15:38 | |
| maddler | brb | 15:38 |
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| * melmoth is looking for desktop integration help. | 15:58 | |
| melmoth | I do not understand what i am doing wrong, but i cannot have an app started automatically graphically. | 15:58 |
| melmoth | If somebody could have a look and tell me what i m doing wrong (hey...it s the week end !) http://hurdygurdy.dyndns.org/maemosword/rapier_1.0.0-1.tar.gz | 15:59 |
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| mgedmin | melmoth: you can remove all those *.ex files from debian/ | 16:08 |
| mgedmin | I remember a thread on maemo-users (or perhaps maemo-developers) about trailing whitespace breaking .desktop files | 16:09 |
| mgedmin | your .desktop has no trailing whitespace, but your dbus .service file has some | 16:09 |
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| melmoth | hmm, good point | 16:10 |
| maddler | hmmm... is http://repository.maemo.org repo working for you? | 16:10 |
| keesj | maddler: how many reposutories are behind repository.maemo.org ? | 16:11 |
| maddler | keesj: "some" ;) | 16:12 |
| maddler | hehe... didn't considered... | 16:12 |
| keesj | I can get to http://repository.maemo.org/stable/ | 16:12 |
| maddler | thx | 16:12 |
| melmoth | however, this is not the cause of the problem... | 16:12 |
| keesj | hmm , that is not a repository | 16:12 |
| maddler | keesj: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_dists_bora_free_binary-armel_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) | 16:13 |
| keesj | maddler: they all look pretty empty | 16:14 |
| keesj | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/bora/ | 16:14 |
| maddler | btw... working now... | 16:15 |
| maddler | who knows... | 16:15 |
| maddler | I tried 3 times before asking... | 16:16 |
| keesj | :p | 16:16 |
| maddler | Murphy's law! :D | 16:16 |
| maddler | "As soon as you ask about a problem, the problem will disappear!" | 16:17 |
| maddler | (and you will look like a newbie) | 16:17 |
| maddler | hehehehe | 16:17 |
| maddler | I could try asking about problems *before* having a problem! This way I could be able to solve problems in advance! | 16:18 |
| maddler | :D | 16:18 |
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| keesj | I was reading "the pragmatic programmer last week". page 3 -> "Somtimes, you just know what they are going to say, so save them the trouble" (about talking to you boss about problems) | 16:23 |
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| maddler | hehehe | 16:26 |
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| maddler | mgedmin: canola is not reading my MP3s tags... or at least it is not reading artist at least... | 16:53 |
| maddler | is it working for you? | 16:53 |
| mgedmin | I think so | 16:53 |
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| maddler | ok... I've just started a new scan... | 16:54 |
| maddler | sbaturzio: aloha! :D | 16:54 |
| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 16:54 |
| maddler | hehehe | 16:54 |
| maddler | sbaturzio: what was wrong with paci and Nokia? | 16:55 |
| mgedmin | why do some garage projects not have a bug tracker? (e.g. mmpc) | 16:55 |
| sbaturzio | maddler: his N800 never worked | 16:55 |
| sbaturzio | sent it to assistance more than a month ago and no news from Nokia | 16:56 |
| maddler | ouch... yep... that hurts... | 16:56 |
| maddler | mgedmin: looks there is something wrong with the Mp3 I was indexing... | 16:59 |
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| sbaturzio | is there a "keyring" manager for N800? It is one of that programs I need for switch from Palm to maemo ;-) | 17:16 |
| maddler | sbaturzio: not that I know of... | 17:17 |
| shackan | I'm not used to touchscreen devices and I fear to scratch this N800 (I want it to last as long as possible) do you know about any kind protection for the screen? | 17:17 |
| maddler | I was just thinking that having a GUI for PGP would be kinda nice... | 17:17 |
| maddler | shackan: you can easily find screen protector on ebay... | 17:18 |
| maddler | but I have to say that I had no protection on my 770 and scree after mor tha a year of daily use is still in great shape... | 17:18 |
| Magi | shackan: The plastic can be enduring, my Palm lasted very long, even though I used hand-written text input for writing. Don't know about 770's display though. | 17:19 |
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| Magi | But the "screen protector" that comes when you buy the piece is just ok... | 17:19 |
| sbaturzio | I've heard that PSP screen protector are almost of the same size of th N800 screen, maybe they are cheaper | 17:20 |
| shackan | mmm, in the light I see some scratches where the backspace button and the scroll bar are, or maybe I'm just paranoid... | 17:20 |
| Sulis | if they're made by sony... they won't be | 17:20 |
| sbaturzio | Sulis: sure :-) | 17:21 |
| mgedmin | sbaturzio: there's password safe, that sort of works | 17:21 |
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| kkito | hello :) | 17:21 |
| sbaturzio | mgedmin: and it store the password in a crypted file? | 17:21 |
| mgedmin | yes | 17:21 |
| sbaturzio | mgedmin: good! | 17:22 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all .... | 17:22 |
| maddler | yes, password safe is nice... | 17:22 |
| maddler | mk8: hi | 17:23 |
| kkito | hi mk8 | 17:23 |
| sbaturzio | ok, I'll give it a try tonight...now I need a way to sync Evolution with a calendar/todo inside N800 ;-) | 17:24 |
| sbaturzio | ehm...am I annoying everybody with my requests? ;-) | 17:24 |
| maddler | sbaturzio: I could always use /ignore :) | 17:26 |
| mk8 | I'm new for the maemo platform and want to build some application ... so I think I need the SDK but I don't understand if want a debian-like distribution or is possible to installa everyware ... I use OpenSuSE .... sorry for my english ... and my unexperience ...:( | 17:28 |
| maddler | mk8: it should be possible to use scratchbox/sdk on any distribution AFAIK | 17:29 |
| kkito | sbaturzio, how do you sync the n800 with evolution? | 17:30 |
| maddler | no need to excuse for not being an advanced user... we all started from 0 ;) | 17:30 |
| sbaturzio | kkito: haven't done it 'til now. I'm looking for the best combination desktop/n800 applications for my job | 17:30 |
| sbaturzio | but both Evolution and GPE* should be based to the same evolution-data-server | 17:31 |
| koen | bzzzzt! wrong! | 17:31 |
| kkito | mk8, download the vmware ubuntu image with the maemo inside | 17:31 |
| sbaturzio | so if I find a way to sync one with the other I will be happy :-) | 17:31 |
| koen | sbaturzio: GPE* doesn't use eds (yet) | 17:31 |
| kkito | sbaturzio, :) | 17:31 |
| mk8 | kkito: I suppose the best way is use an VMware image ... but I not found it in the maemo site ... can you give the link? | 17:32 |
| sbaturzio | koen: uh...so which is the (other) PIM application which use EDS? (I remember there IS one) | 17:32 |
| mgedmin | mk8: why use vmware if you've got linux already? | 17:34 |
| mgedmin | just install scratchbox | 17:34 |
| mk8 | because I use a SuSE distribution ... so, if the SDK is released to debina ths simplest solution is create a VM using debian and use it .... for the first step .... | 17:35 |
| jonnylamb | the install script automates eeverything- very handy! | 17:35 |
| kkito | mk8 you can find the image on the vmware site | 17:36 |
| Sulis | there must be ways that you can use .deb packages in distributions that use rpm | 17:37 |
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| mk8 | kkito: so the image is not available on maemo site .... it's ok? | 17:38 |
| kkito | mk8, http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/702 | 17:38 |
| mgedmin | doesn't scratchbox.org have rpms for suse? | 17:38 |
| mk8 | ok .... kkito ... thank .... now start the download ... :) | 17:38 |
| kkito | i prefer to develop with a vmware image because you can copy the image to an usb sttorage or similar and carry it with you... ;) | 17:40 |
| mk8 | also I .... | 17:40 |
| jonnylamb | mgedmin: doesn't look it fromthe sb website.. only binary tarballs/debs/source.. | 17:41 |
| mk8 | and when migrate the computer simply copy the disk image ... | 17:41 |
| mk8 | the main computer will became a VM runner ... :) | 17:41 |
| mk8 | in the next day ofter You will see me (sorry but my english is very awful ... :((( ) | 17:42 |
| keesj | mk8: there is an installer that at least work on gentoo so I don't know why it should not work on Suse | 17:44 |
| keesj | download the maemo-scratchbox-install_3.0.sh from here http://repository.maemo.org/stable/bora/ | 17:45 |
| mgedmin | vncviewer rulees | 17:46 |
| mk8 | in this moment I prefer use the VM image .... another question ... anyone know if is available a port of mono? | 17:47 |
| keesj | mk8: yes , check the maemo wiki | 17:51 |
| mk8 | Thank's keesj ..... | 17:51 |
| keesj | did anybody try my dsl based qemu image | 17:53 |
| Streg | kkito: Is it like that old m$ loghorn msdn video where the dude goes on and on about this "new script programming" that he can do everywhere. "If I get a feeling, I can just start coding on my wives laptop, or my childrens, or uncle, or..." :p | 17:59 |
| kkito | Streg, :) | 18:00 |
| Streg | kkito: I admire the dedication though :) | 18:01 |
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| florian | hi | 18:06 |
| maddler | hi florian... | 18:07 |
| maddler | damn... my status bar has gone mad... | 18:07 |
| mk8 | See you next time ..... bye | 18:08 |
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| maddler | the "triangle" icon just overlaps with the fist icon... | 18:08 |
| maddler | and clicking on it won't work... | 18:08 |
| disq | new idea just came to me - connect the tablet to the phone as a bt headset and relay calls thru the tablet. so one set of headphones (bt or wired) and it could also pause the music when i'm on call | 18:08 |
| maddler | disq: nice :) | 18:09 |
| disq | also i kinda wish the bt headset protocol could relay the screen info (who's calling, etc) then we could get spoken call notifications via flite | 18:10 |
| disq | but it's probably just a dumb audio protocol | 18:11 |
| mgedmin | hmm | 18:12 |
| mgedmin | I think some bt headsets have a little lcd that shows the caller info | 18:12 |
| disq | mmm that's great | 18:12 |
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| maddler | disq: that would be simply great! :D | 18:16 |
| pahartik | mgedmin: MacOS X addressbook application supposedly announces ID of incoming voice call and SMS on screen over Bluetooth, with supported telephone models | 18:16 |
| maddler | damn... no way... status bar is broken... :| | 18:16 |
| Sulis | pahartik: and what are those telephone models? | 18:17 |
| Sulis | does it include only the iphone? | 18:17 |
| pahartik | Sulis: If I recall correctly, most of models with S60 interface | 18:18 |
| Sulis | ah right | 18:18 |
| pahartik | Sulis: (And not only those) | 18:18 |
| Sulis | that does sound interesting, i wonder if there's anything linux can do in the same vein? | 18:19 |
| pahartik | Sulis: I did not try with Nokia 6310i, but at least my current Nokia 6151 (with S40 interface) is not supported for that, and requires third-party module for Addressbook and Calendar support | 18:20 |
| pahartik | Sulis: "gnome-phone-manager" depends on "gnokii" and "...listens for text messages, and when they arrive, displays them..." | 18:23 |
| pahartik | Sulis: No idea about anything that would do that for incoming voice calls... | 18:23 |
| Sulis | ah | 18:23 |
| Sulis | i tent to use kde, although i probably still have half of gnome from when i used xgl | 18:26 |
| pahartik | Sulis: My main problem with Nokia 770 is currently losing network uplink connection when walking around... I do not know if it is because Bluetooth or WCDMA... Firmwares on both are latest from week ago | 18:27 |
| Sulis | did you actually mean to address that to the whole channel? | 18:29 |
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| pahartik | Sulis: Well, that was somewhat out of context :) | 18:31 |
| Sulis | hehe | 18:32 |
| pahartik | Sulis: But announcing incoming voice calls should not be problem with current telephones, two Bluetooth devices work just fine with Nokia 6151 at same time (For example) | 18:34 |
| maddler | damn... damn... damn... | 18:37 |
| Sulis | yeah, i don't know if my phone is "current" anymore though | 18:38 |
| Sulis | i guess it can work with two bluetooth devices, but i don't actually have two bluetooth devices...other than computers i guess | 18:38 |
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| kkito | if the kernel has the btsco module we can program some handsfree app for the n800 | 18:43 |
| Sulis | yeah, and i like the sound of that | 18:44 |
| Sulis | actually...what do you mean when you say handsfree app? | 18:44 |
| kkito | an app that let you to use the n800 like a handsfree device | 18:46 |
| Sulis | ah, yeah, i'm not entirely sure what the point of that would be though, for me at least | 18:48 |
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| com1 | looking at the specs 4 the omap 4 the n800 | 18:57 |
| com1 | wow | 18:57 |
| c0ffee | ehrm | 19:03 |
| c0ffee | the n800 has an omap2, not an omap4 | 19:03 |
| c0ffee | l33tspeak sucks btw | 19:03 |
| koen | says the person with a leetspeak nickname ;) | 19:05 |
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| c0ffee | it's hexadecimal! | 19:06 |
| c0ffee | man | 19:06 |
| c0ffee | :( | 19:06 |
| zuh | is that better or worse?-) | 19:06 |
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| Sulis | what's omap? | 19:09 |
| c0ffee | ti.com/omap | 19:09 |
| Sulis | ah | 19:11 |
| * konfoo yawns | 19:19 | |
| konfoo | coffee: i would tend to believe you if your nick were C0FFEE | 19:19 |
| konfoo | :) | 19:20 |
| konfoo | plus, it is only 6 bytes... | 19:20 |
| konfoo | at least C0FFEEEE | 19:20 |
| Sulis | cos 8 bytes is soooo much more useful? | 19:21 |
| konfoo | yes | 19:21 |
| konfoo | :) | 19:21 |
| Sulis | hehe | 19:21 |
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| Sulis | it sounds to me like sdhc works quite well with the patches :O | 19:38 |
| Sulis | i may just have to order some sdhc cards :) | 19:38 |
| maddler | Sulis: yep... | 19:42 |
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| Sulis | maddler: have you tried it? | 19:50 |
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| com1 | meh. i need bose triport | 20:08 |
| koen | people need bose? | 20:10 |
| koen | get an equalizer and drop all medium frequencies to get the same effect | 20:11 |
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| maddler | Sulis: not tried SHDC... I have 2 x 4GB SD cards and is enough right now... | 20:49 |
| DrZeus | you'll have the mmc equivalent as well once I can get a dev environment up... | 20:51 |
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| Sulis | maddler: i just think there's a greater chance of sdhc working properly with whatever i order | 20:55 |
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| maddler | Sulis: true... I was just sure those SDs weren't SDHC when I bought them :) | 20:58 |
| Sulis | you wanted them to be SD? | 20:59 |
| Guardian | evening | 20:59 |
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| maddler | Sulis: no... they had those in the place where I usually buy PC stuff | 21:11 |
| maddler | it is a wholesaler... | 21:12 |
| maddler | so I paid about 25eur each | 21:12 |
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| maddler | which is pretty nice :) | 21:12 |
| maddler | time to go buy some good pizza now! :D | 21:12 |
| maddler | see you alter... | 21:12 |
| svu_ | is there any way to make media player sort files available through upnp? | 21:12 |
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| Streg | does anyone know how canola & gmediaserver work together. I seems that it takes a long time (still processing) to access those shared files (I have quite a few 5000+). Is it caching them the first time? | 21:19 |
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| * Sulis wonders what canola does | 21:20 | |
| Streg | Or am I just experiecing an infinite loop? gmediaserver is using 100% of CPU at the moment and the past 5 minutes. | 21:21 |
| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 21:21 |
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| Streg | sbaturzio: well aloha to you too, it's below zero here in finland :) | 21:22 |
| sbaturzio | stanlly: here it was a nice sunny, warm day in Italy ;-) | 21:22 |
| Streg | lucky you :) | 21:22 |
| sbaturzio | stanlly: ooops ...as usual wrong tab completion sorry ,-) | 21:22 |
| sbaturzio | Streg: ;-) | 21:23 |
| sbaturzio | Streg: but I must confess Finland is one of those places I want to visit | 21:23 |
| Streg | I believe that this is a great place to visit, and i ephasize the vird visit :) | 21:24 |
| Streg | I tells something about a country, if people are creating operating systems on their free time ;) | 21:25 |
| Sulis | lol, i think that tells more about students than it does the country | 21:27 |
| disq | gtktextview+rtf experience anyone? | 21:29 |
| Streg | cold country, cold people -> maybe I should create an unix clone ;) | 21:29 |
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| inz | disq, pain ;) | 21:34 |
| disq | i did all the stuff. except, after it loads a rtf document i can't change the already-set properties | 21:35 |
| disq | ie. a weight=bold tag (that's created with gtktextbufferdeserializerichtext) overrides a newly applied weight=normal tag | 21:36 |
| disq | something tells me that i have to iterate the tagtable and summarize/convert the tags, but it's too much work to try | 21:37 |
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| mgedmin | disq: what sucks about LGPL? | 22:06 |
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| disq | erm sorry they're not lgpl either | 22:08 |
| disq | will change that | 22:08 |
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| mgedmin | perhaps you meant to say "closed"? | 22:09 |
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| maddler | re | 22:25 |
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| maddler | now... let's try to undestand why panelclock decided to broke statusbar layout... | 22:30 |
| mgedmin | why do you think panelclock did that? | 22:32 |
| mgedmin | by the way, there's one very suspicious disappearing panel applet: the contacts one | 22:33 |
| mgedmin | I saw it initially next to the presence one, but then it just disappeared | 22:33 |
| maddler | mgedmin: because disabling panelclock everything works fine... | 22:37 |
| mgedmin | do you have panelclock or statusbar-clock? | 22:37 |
| mgedmin | panelclock was for os2006 | 22:37 |
| maddler | if panelclock is enabled the triangle overlaps first icon | 22:37 |
| maddler | I know... but it worked without a glitch until today... | 22:37 |
| maddler | for about a month... | 22:38 |
| maddler | it was one of the first applications I installed... | 22:38 |
| mgedmin | strange and/or interesting | 22:38 |
| maddler | mgedmin: indeed... | 22:38 |
| maddler | I only know the problem first appened right after installing canola... | 22:38 |
| maddler | but I think there is no relation... | 22:39 |
| maddler | mge and also just found http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/files/n770/n800-statusbar-bug.png | 22:40 |
| maddler | on panelclock directory | 22:41 |
| mgedmin | fwiw I've got statusbarclock 0.6 and the triangle does not overlap any icons | 22:42 |
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| maddler | eh... but if you look at the image... looks like I'm not the only one experiencing the problem... | 22:43 |
| maddler | the poin is: what changed _today_? | 22:44 |
| maddler | s/poin/point/ | 22:44 |
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| disq | maddler: too much icons in the tray area? | 22:46 |
| disq | many* | 22:46 |
| s100user | hello all | 22:46 |
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| mgedmin | I've got 8 icons there right now | 22:47 |
| mgedmin | what's a good background image to go with the plankton theme? | 22:48 |
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| maddler | mgedmin: sorry was testing | 22:55 |
| maddler | mgedmin: I can confirm the problem only raises if panelclock is enabled | 22:56 |
| mgedmin | will you try statusbarclock? | 22:57 |
| maddler | mgedmin: sure... where from? | 22:57 |
| mgedmin | either from the garage page | 22:57 |
| mgedmin | or you can get a patched one from my repo, that also works with dark themes | 22:58 |
| maddler | k | 22:58 |
| maddler | paste your repo | 23:01 |
| mgedmin | http://mg.pov.lt/770 bora user | 23:02 |
| disq | time to sleep, tired. cya all | 23:03 |
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| maddler | disq: cya | 23:06 |
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| bedboi_n800 | Anyone is able to use phonelink with 6630? | 23:20 |
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| maddler | mgedmin: statusbarclock is working fine :D | 23:21 |
| maddler | bedboi_n800: I gave it a try with N80 | 23:21 |
| maddler | but wasn't working | 23:22 |
| maddler | I should try again and try uderstand what was wrong | 23:23 |
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