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| lardman | Good news, statically linked libm into whetstone and produced the following: O0 optimisation = 58.8MIPS, O3 optimisation = 250MIPS (!!!) | 00:03 |
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| koen | tha'ts only 5 times | 00:04 |
| koen | compile it with -noatime -Ogentoo ;) | 00:05 |
| lardman | :) | 00:05 |
| lardman | Well certainly better than using the non-vfp libm which gives something like 33.3MIPS max iirc | 00:05 |
| Tak | -OOMG | 00:07 |
| lardman | you can never have too many MIPS ;) | 00:09 |
| konfoo | the more mips the merrier | 00:09 |
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| sp3000 | oh, cool, spontaneous reboot | 00:13 |
| matt_c_ | sp3000: those are there to keep you on your toes. | 00:14 |
| fish_ | melmoth: ah.. thats might be the problem with my n770 too | 00:15 |
| fish_ | the disk is pretty full | 00:15 |
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| lardman | I'm all MIPed out, night all | 00:19 |
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| bipolar | Is anyone using the GPE PIM apps on an 800? I added the kernelconcepts repo, but it's missing libgcrypt. | 00:21 |
| bipolar | Or maybe other PIM apps are better? | 00:22 |
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| bipolar | anyone ported kontact yet? :P | 00:22 |
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| hub | bipolar: I use Dates from o-hand | 00:23 |
| hub | bipolar: they still don't have Contact out | 00:23 |
| hub | I still wonder why there is no such thing by default on the Nokia | 00:23 |
| bipolar | hub: got a linky? | 00:23 |
| sbaturzio | bipolar: I think you need the http://repository.maemo.org bora/free repository | 00:23 |
| sbaturzio | my libgcrypt11 comes from there | 00:24 |
| hub | bipolar: http://projects.o-hand.com/dates | 00:24 |
| Magi | bipolar: I installed something or did something else and the GPE Calendar installed just fine. | 00:26 |
| Magi | It was a bit strange | 00:26 |
| hub | crap my n770 is dead again | 00:26 |
| bipolar | sbaturzio: yep! that was it. thanks! | 00:26 |
| hub | (battery) | 00:26 |
| sbaturzio | bipolar: np | 00:27 |
| bipolar | hub: that looks cool. | 00:27 |
| bipolar | I gotta find something that syncs with my linux pc or my server. | 00:27 |
| hub | opensync | 00:28 |
| hub | I think there is something | 00:29 |
| bipolar | I love this n800... it was a great buy :) | 00:29 |
| Streg | bipolar: welcome to the club. | 00:30 |
| bipolar | My last linux device was my Zaurus 5500. :) | 00:31 |
| hub | n770 | 00:31 |
| hub | the previous one was my DSL modem | 00:32 |
| hub | oh no I forgot I got a blackdog since | 00:32 |
| hap | any canola developers around? | 00:33 |
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| k-s | hap: yep | 00:34 |
| k-s | :-) | 00:34 |
| k-s | hap: chenca, andrunko, myself | 00:34 |
| hap | ok. Just wondering, is canola playing streaming mp3s ? | 00:34 |
| hap | and does it understand .m3u playlists ? | 00:34 |
| andrunko | yep | 00:35 |
| hap | ah, sounds good | 00:35 |
| k-s | hap: just use canola-conf to add "iradios" | 00:35 |
| hap | well i have to wait tomorrow then, it's not ready yet, is it ? | 00:35 |
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| k-s | or just place .m3u or .pls files on your media collection (but these will ignore files other than local files) | 00:35 |
| k-s | hap: if you want to beta test :-) | 00:36 |
| hap | for the mp3 decoding, does it use the nokia software? I try to play mp3 trough flash/webpage, it's a little slow. I hope to be able to read thoses streaming mp3 through canola then | 00:36 |
| hap | k-s: i want, where can i download ? :) | 00:36 |
| k-s | hap: yes, it uses nokia software | 00:36 |
| hap | ok | 00:36 |
| k-s | hap: http://openbossa.indt.org/canola/repository-beta2/ | 00:36 |
| hap | can i fetch from svn ? | 00:36 |
| hap | ok | 00:36 |
| k-s | user: tester | 00:36 |
| k-s | pass: beta2 | 00:36 |
| k-s | it's still "secret" until tomorrow :-) | 00:37 |
| hap | won't leave IRC | 00:37 |
| andrunko | heheh | 00:37 |
| hap | as we say | 00:37 |
| k-s | ;-) | 00:37 |
| andrunko | just uploaded version 1.0.1-1indt5 | 00:37 |
| k-s | hap: canola is not open source, yet (I hope!) | 00:37 |
| andrunko | with video properly working FINALLY | 00:37 |
| k-s | yep | 00:37 |
| hap | k-s: ah ok, i hoped so. | 00:37 |
| k-s | kuddos to myself | 00:37 |
| hap | are you working for a brazilian company? | 00:37 |
| k-s | yes | 00:37 |
| Tak | :-D andrunko | 00:38 |
| k-s | we work at INdT | 00:38 |
| andrunko | got go now, go test the version i uploaded and if you find any problem wait till tomorrow :D | 00:38 |
| hap | ok let me try that | 00:38 |
| hap | does it play dvix ? :p | 00:38 |
| k-s | hap: yes | 00:38 |
| k-s | some sort of... | 00:38 |
| hap | ah, streaming divx ? ... :) | 00:38 |
| k-s | we have a gift for you | 00:38 |
| Tak | is that in the beta2 repo? | 00:38 |
| k-s | andrunko has written a MPlayer backend | 00:38 |
| andrunko | Tak: yep | 00:38 |
| k-s | Tak: yep | 00:38 |
| hap | ok | 00:38 |
| Tak | very nice | 00:38 |
| Tak | and AWESOME @ mplayer backend | 00:39 |
| andrunko | i will release a package for it tomorrow | 00:39 |
| chenca | andrunko:tomorrow? why? | 00:39 |
| andrunko | chenca: ahhhhh, i got go, see you tomorrow | 00:40 |
| k-s | Tak: put some pressure on andrunko ... | 00:40 |
| hap | :) | 00:40 |
| chenca | andrunko: hahahahaha | 00:40 |
| sbaturzio | is there a way to sync gpe-* to an evolution installation on my PC? | 00:40 |
| Tak | tomorrow's good enough for me ;-) | 00:40 |
| * k-s waits for andrunko... | 00:40 | |
| * k-s wonder how good would be that mplayer backend... :-) | 00:40 | |
| Tak | incidentally, I love how easy canola is to theme | 00:41 |
| * andrunko is not here | 00:41 | |
| k-s | Tak: do you have any theme? | 00:41 |
| Tak | I created a Tigger theme for my fiancee | 00:41 |
| k-s | Tak: screenshots? | 00:41 |
| Tak | probably no good to distribute; full of copyrighted content | 00:41 |
| k-s | Tak: have you seen the green invasion (aka matrix) theme? | 00:42 |
| Tak | yeah, I saw it | 00:42 |
| Tak | not to my taste, but it's nice | 00:42 |
| k-s | Tak: just a screenshot for friends :-) | 00:42 |
| maddler | nice! canola on its way!!! | 00:42 |
| bipolar | hub: how do you have your o-hand repo set up? | 00:42 |
| k-s | we have a new default theme! | 00:42 |
| k-s | we're all tired of that old one | 00:42 |
| hub | bipolar: check on maemo application catalog | 00:43 |
| hub | bipolar: dates is listed there | 00:43 |
| bipolar | you mean the click to install stuff? | 00:43 |
| Tak | k-s: I don't have any screenshots on hand; I can take some later | 00:46 |
| bipolar | hub: I'm trying to set up the repo in the application manager app, but they don't list anything for 'Components' and it won't pull the repo without it, it seems. | 00:46 |
| maddler | k-s I like that theme... | 00:46 |
| hub | which repo? | 00:46 |
| bipolar | hub: http://maemo.o-hand.com/ | 00:47 |
| Streg | Canola team has a great "tease and tickle" way of reporting their progress. almost there, tomorrow... :) | 00:47 |
| hub | bipolar: you didn't read the page, did you? | 00:47 |
| bipolar | hub: the one I just sent you? | 00:47 |
| hub | bipolar: "Instructions on repository setup are available by following the above links." | 00:47 |
| bipolar | hub: thats the link I just sent you | 00:48 |
| hub | did you open THAT link? | 00:48 |
| hub | in you browser | 00:48 |
| bipolar | hub: on my pc, yes | 00:48 |
| hub | then you have everything needed | 00:48 |
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| hub | if components is empty it is empty | 00:49 |
| bipolar | notice how there is nothing listed on that page for 'Components' | 00:49 |
| hub | don't forget the / at the end | 00:49 |
| hub | of Distribution | 00:49 |
| bipolar | ahh... thats probbly it | 00:49 |
| k-s | Streg: at least this time you can try it earlier | 00:49 |
| k-s | :-) | 00:49 |
| bipolar | hub: yep... thanks again :) | 00:49 |
| Streg | k-s: actually I tried canola on my N800 a week after the CES release. a big mistake :) | 00:51 |
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| k-s | Streg: have you tried the 770 version on n800? | 00:54 |
| Streg | I think it was the 770 version :) hopefully tomorrow I don't have to reflash my device... | 00:55 |
| hub | I tried canola on my 770, didn't work well | 00:56 |
| hub | since I reflashed I didn't reinstall it | 00:56 |
| hub | as I can't fix it | 00:56 |
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| Streg | I should learn by my mistakes, but tomorrow if they release it, I'm pretty sure I'll have a go at it :) | 00:57 |
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| c0ffee | is somebody working on the osso-email thing to support more than one folder? | 00:58 |
| maddler | Streg: same... canola is a GREAT piece of software! | 00:58 |
| Streg | btw. Is there a feature request page for the "original" software? I'd like to express my thought about that email application myself | 00:59 |
| jtra | funny, I ran mplayer on 770 and it had some problems, no display but audio was running, I killed -9 it and tried again, only audio was heard, so I pressed power button and selected "switch off" - but because power adapter is attached and mplayer cannot be killed without -9 it still runs and I can hear audio while charging icon is displayed | 00:59 |
| c0ffee | there's an anti-swearing policy, so it's pretty hard to express ones feelings about the email app :) | 00:59 |
| Streg | c0ffee: :) | 01:00 |
| Streg | well I can contain myself, if you tell me where to whine in a civilized manner. | 01:00 |
| Magi | News: "Motorola chose Linux for its phones"... I just wonder when Nokia will add phone chip to the nxxx-series... | 01:00 |
| Streg | Magi: I'd guess it will be yet another "hidden feature" in the next version :) | 01:01 |
| Magi | Probably ;-) | 01:02 |
| Magi | Someone hypothetized that phone makes may not wish to let people mess with gsm protocol at too low level. | 01:03 |
| maddler | n2001 maybe | 01:03 |
| Magi | makers | 01:03 |
| maddler | hehe | 01:03 |
| maddler | or a N9000 (codename Hal) | 01:03 |
| hap | k-s: iRadio is not what I look for | 01:03 |
| Streg | For a device that is supposed to be on all the time, the email application handles already read messages in IMAP servers like crap. | 01:04 |
| hap | k-s: I have .m3u, can I ask the opera browser to open them with canola, and will canola play what's in there? | 01:04 |
| AndyCap | Magi: well, with the right gsm module that's not a problem. | 01:04 |
| c0ffee | i regard the lack of a gsm chip a feature of the IT | 01:05 |
| k-s | hap: no :-( | 01:05 |
| hap | ah | 01:05 |
| Streg | Now why would I want to read 10 emails again from my N800 just to get rid of the contacts icon flashing. *anger boils up* | 01:05 |
| k-s | hap: we're evaluating this, but not now | 01:05 |
| k-s | hap: sorry | 01:05 |
| hap | k-s: because I have streaming mp3 from a local httpd | 01:05 |
| k-s | Streg: I agree :-) | 01:06 |
| hap | k-s: and I'd like to listen to them from canola, but thoses mp3 urls changes all the time | 01:06 |
| AndyCap | c0ffee: perhaps not exactly a feature, but I don't miss it. :P | 01:06 |
| hap | it's not like a radio url which never changes | 01:06 |
| hap | so i don't want to manualy add each mp3 within the iRadios | 01:06 |
| hap | (you do understand why :) | 01:06 |
| k-s | hap: why don't you have this server to generate a podcast-like XML with your songs? | 01:06 |
| k-s | hap: or use upnp, daap, ... | 01:07 |
| maddler | gone | 01:07 |
| hap | k-s: well m3u works fine until now, i have xspf too, is that better? | 01:09 |
| hap | why would podcast like XML fix my question, does canola understand them? | 01:09 |
| Streg | and from what i can assume from that one canola-ui video I saw, IT OS email team should learn something about list-handling and such :) | 01:09 |
| hap | Streg: they have all to learn to my beleif | 01:10 |
| hap | not only for lists | 01:10 |
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| Streg | I've talked to one subcontracted developer that worked with mediaplayer, and even he thought that it ended up being a piece of crap :) | 01:13 |
| b0unc3 | hi, when I try yo upload a packages to the maemo extra repository I get this error: Unknown upload method: scp | 01:14 |
| b0unc3 | someone know how to resolve ? | 01:14 |
| hap | Streg: i'm not surprised, and on the UI side, so much to sya... | 01:15 |
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| Streg | Well I think their whole model around 770/N800 has been about cheap hardware and mediocre software. They hope us linux hapsters will make it work eventually :) | 01:17 |
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| hap | yeah | 01:17 |
| hap | i would also define N800 as "a great piece of hardware, with a not as great as it could/should be software" | 01:18 |
| Streg | :) | 01:18 |
| Streg | but overall I don't complain, this device has made my life a lot more interesting and even fun :) | 01:19 |
| hap | within 2 days of use, I didn't understand at all why it was so difficult to copy text in a browser or editor, etc | 01:19 |
| hap | well i'd wish all the things listed http://cs.gmu.edu/~sean/stuff/n800/ was fixed. | 01:19 |
| hap | drag&drop for icons would be awesome, to change thoses top left icons | 01:19 |
| hap | optimizing the screen to not lose width would be great too | 01:20 |
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| dolfun | i just got to get my n770 going as a front end to my vdr | 01:22 |
| dolfun | and i'll be a happy cow | 01:22 |
| dolfun | if anyone has opinions what would be a better backend to use for streaming to mplayer (mythtv or vdr), i'd be curious :) | 01:23 |
| MoRpHeUz | dolfun: well, there are some options.. | 01:25 |
| dolfun | yes i am deluged with options :) | 01:25 |
| MoRpHeUz | dolfun: you can use vlc (videolan) to stream and also do the transcode.. | 01:25 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 01:25 |
| MoRpHeUz | and soon we'll have something for mythtv ;-) | 01:26 |
| MoRpHeUz | dolfun: http://gmyth.sf.net | 01:26 |
| dolfun | i was going to do the trnascoding from a web page... ooh | 01:26 |
| dolfun | very*cool* | 01:27 |
| MoRpHeUz | dolfun: check my blog...there you can find some options that work for n800+vlc | 01:27 |
| MoRpHeUz | dolfun: http://labs.morpheuz.eng.br/blog/ | 01:27 |
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| * dolfun salutes | 01:27 | |
| dolfun | so you will use mediaplayer to play the stream? or mplayer | 01:28 |
| dolfun | cause mplayer can play mpeg2 just fine as i found -but not at full PAL | 01:29 |
| MoRpHeUz | dolfun: you mean, with gmyth ? | 01:30 |
| MoRpHeUz | or vlc ? | 01:30 |
| dolfun | i mean local files on the n770 | 01:30 |
| dolfun | but you would need to transcode anyway, to the correct resolution | 01:31 |
| MoRpHeUz | that's the point.. | 01:31 |
| dolfun | thanks for the news... getting back to work | 01:33 |
| MoRpHeUz | dolfun: you're welcome =) | 01:33 |
| Streg | what is the software/design included in N800 that is copyrighted by: "NVIDIA design patents"? | 01:35 |
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| jonnylamb | what does "haf" stand for (i saw it here: https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/maemo/projects/haf/) | 01:44 |
| k-s | hap: about podcast, upnp or daap: yes we support them | 01:44 |
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| cesman | MoRpHeUz how are things coming along?!! | 01:50 |
| MoRpHeUz | cesman: hi! how are you ? | 01:51 |
| MoRpHeUz | cesman: doing a lot of things.. | 01:51 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 01:51 |
| cesman | good thanks and u? | 01:51 |
| MoRpHeUz | fine thanks... | 01:51 |
| MoRpHeUz | some status: doing some patchs for mythtv's backend to support remote transcoding.. | 01:51 |
| MoRpHeUz | and we'll have a code camp with a guy from mythtv regarding livetv transcoding.. | 01:52 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 01:52 |
| cesman | cool! | 01:53 |
| cesman | which version is goign to be patched? | 01:53 |
| MoRpHeUz | I'm working with the svn version... | 01:54 |
| ocnarfid8 | GAIM on the N800, am I missing how to IM someone by clicking on there name, or is going to the menu to send a new message the only way to initiate a convo? | 01:54 |
| cesman | MoRpHeUz: any plans to backport to -fixes | 01:54 |
| MoRpHeUz | cesman: and it depends on getting this patch accepted by mythtv's crew ;-) | 01:55 |
| cesman | ok | 01:55 |
| cesman | =) | 01:55 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 01:55 |
| MoRpHeUz | probably the same patch would work to other versions of mythtv.. | 01:55 |
| k-s | bye guys | 01:56 |
| k-s | canola testers: please check canola-conf, I've added some extra checks in URL (iradio, podcast, photocast) parsers, it may deny some of your feeds | 01:57 |
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| MoRpHeUz | bye | 02:00 |
| MoRpHeUz | see you guys | 02:00 |
| MoRpHeUz | cesman: anything just morpheuz@gmail.com | 02:00 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 02:00 |
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| Com1 | can you fit internettablettalk web-site into the topic? | 03:24 |
| Com1 | just an idea | 03:24 |
| konfoo | canola on n800. beautiful.. | 03:24 |
| Com1 | konfoo.....you have N800? | 03:25 |
| garrett | oh? really? | 03:25 |
| konfoo | k-s just posted the url :) | 03:25 |
| * garrett looks | 03:25 | |
| konfoo | it works. :) | 03:25 |
| konfoo | com1 yes | 03:26 |
| Com1 | i got Fceu NES EMU working | 03:26 |
| konfoo | sweet | 03:26 |
| Com1 | yup | 03:26 |
| Com1 | i'm sure they will get the speed up in later versions | 03:26 |
| konfoo | indeed | 03:27 |
| Com1 | has anyone made a video capture util yet? | 03:27 |
| Com1 | palm. :p try multitasking on Palm. | 03:28 |
| Com1 | Bleh | 03:28 |
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| Tak | Com1: speed and sound are *way* better on the next release | 03:56 |
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| Com1 | great | 04:11 |
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| Tak | plus there are more buttons, it autosaves if the device goes down, and it pauses when the device goes inactive | 04:15 |
| Com1 | would have been awesome if the built-in chess game supported IP internet play, so as to talk with other N800 users | 04:15 |
| Com1 | that would have been awesome to talk/play with other N800 owners | 04:16 |
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| Com1 | N800 Development is moving faster than i thought | 04:24 |
| Com1 | i'm glad I waited for the N800, rather than buy the 770 | 04:25 |
| Com1 | i was about to buy Palm TX | 04:25 |
| Com1 | when i already have Palm Tungsten T2 | 04:26 |
| Com1 | which didn't make much sense | 04:26 |
| Com1 | bigger screen and wi-fi | 04:26 |
| Com1 | wooopdeeee doooo | 04:26 |
| bhima | Can't the 770 and N800 emulate a Palm anyway? | 04:30 |
| jaebird | k-s: just tried the beta2 canola...looks good, UI question, it doesn't minimize and if I use the home key I cant get back to canola, just a black screen | 04:31 |
| jaebird | had to do a kill -8 to close it :) | 04:31 |
| Tak | hmm - is red pill access different on the n800? | 04:37 |
| disq | Tak: no. delete the http://, type matrix, hit cancel. | 04:39 |
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| Tak | hm | 04:43 |
| * Tak tries again | 04:43 | |
| Protocol- | shouldn't the rd mode be enabled? | 04:44 |
| Protocol- | to get the pill choice | 04:44 |
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| Tak | hm - does canola detect ogg videos? | 04:49 |
| disq | Protocol-: no | 04:50 |
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| [mbm] | hmm, sys:magic doesn't honor dpkg holds | 04:54 |
| [mbm] | shame.. getting rather sick of that broken busybox | 04:55 |
| Protocol- | I'm trying to boot from the mmc card, when the UI starts I get a message 'cannot start not enough memory' what could it be? the swap missing? | 04:55 |
| Protocol- | with n770 and gregale | 04:55 |
| Protocol- | I tried disabling some init scripts but I'm not sure what I can safely remove | 04:57 |
| Protocol- | also.. after that the screen goes all white, the pointer doesn't move and after a few sec it reboots | 04:57 |
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| Protocol- | on the mmc there is only one partition, ext3, I changed in the bootmenu.sh in initfs to reflect this, it seems to load the modules and mount the root correctly | 04:59 |
| Tak | anybody playing ogg video on an IT? | 04:59 |
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| Protocol- | every video I tried runs too slow on the n770 | 05:00 |
| Protocol- | I think that's why they added some cpu power on the n800? | 05:01 |
| [mbm] | n800 still struggles with most video formats | 05:02 |
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| Com1 | Real Video plays well on N800 | 05:46 |
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| Tak|770 | wow, that's ... surprising | 05:47 |
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| konfoo | hmmmm so what other n800 apps can i not afford to do without | 06:44 |
| * Tak|770 shrugs | 06:47 | |
| konfoo | sigh | 06:47 |
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| Tak|770 | so what's the best way to test a home applet with minimal risk of endless reboot cycle ? | 07:12 |
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| disq | i think the simplest way is to test it in scratchbox (or boot from mmc?) | 07:16 |
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| Tak|770 | heh, I'm having issues with af-sb-init in sb | 07:20 |
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| Com1 | bleh | 07:34 |
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| konfoo | Com1: find any other playable emus? | 07:41 |
| gpd | so if i do apt-get -s dist-upgrade i get this: | 07:50 |
| gpd | The following NEW packages will be installed: bsdutils e2fslibs e2fsprogs libblkid1 libcomerr2 libss2 libuuid1 slang1a-utf8 | 07:50 |
| gpd | what is the # | 07:50 |
| Tak|770 | wish me luck... | 07:50 |
| gpd | those are all from repository.maemo.org - so they should be safe - right? | 07:50 |
| gpd | i am still paranoid about apt-get dist-upgrade | 07:50 |
| Tak|770 | I thought you weren't supposed to apt-get upgrade | 07:51 |
| gpd | that is why i am paranoid -- probably with reason | 07:52 |
| gpd | but they are NEW - rather than upgrade - so should be ok | 07:52 |
| gpd | then again - should probably just put down the crack pipe | 07:52 |
| Tak|770 | hmm - obviously I'm missing some key detail | 08:01 |
| suihkulokki | gpd: repository.maemo.org is not meant for product images, it's meant for developer images | 08:05 |
| Tak|770 | grr - the applet ui doesn't load | 08:08 |
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| kulve | gpd: what suihkulokki is saying is, "no, they are not safe" | 08:15 |
| kulve | Its pretty safe to install a normal GUI application that doesn't try to mess with lower levels and is at least somewhat tested. But installing anything low-level stuff might cause harm, directly or indirectly. So in the latter case one should a) be willing to happily re-flash the thing after bootloop b) really know what he is doing | 08:18 |
| kulve | there's no point upgrading busybox to get ping and then curse the device doesn't boot any more | 08:19 |
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| tko | http://xkcd.com/c224.html :) | 08:29 |
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| kulve | perl \o/ | 08:38 |
| zuh | "My GOD, it's full of 'car's" :D | 08:42 |
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| timeless | ping | 10:30 |
| timeless | i have a problem | 10:30 |
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| timeless | people are building source packages | 10:31 |
| timeless | and they have symlinks to files that wouldn't normally exist if the world looked differently | 10:31 |
| timeless | if i make a source package, should 'depcomp' be a symlink or a real file? | 10:32 |
| kulve | seems to be a file in my source package | 10:32 |
| kulve | i.e. a regular file, not a link | 10:33 |
| * timeless wonders why there are so many people from .fi here | 10:34 | |
| tigert | why is it a surprise? :) | 10:36 |
| timeless | i'll explain elsewhere.. | 10:36 |
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| zbenjamin | morning @ all | 10:38 |
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| tigert | morning | 10:39 |
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| disq | morning. | 10:44 |
| tigert | had fun with dynadraw? :) | 10:48 |
| tigert | its addictive :P | 10:49 |
| zbenjamin | is it okay that i have two maemo_af_desktop processes running on my Nokia770 with IT2006? | 10:49 |
| disq | had fun with qgn_ hildon icons and also gtktextbuffer right now. didn't get addicted to dynadraw :) | 10:50 |
| timeless | zbenjamin: no | 10:51 |
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| zbenjamin | strange i have two maemo_af_desktop and two hildon-input-method and some other processes running twice | 10:52 |
| timeless | when it happens, rel engineering fail change requests | 10:52 |
| timeless | can you figure out what you did to trigger it? | 10:52 |
| zbenjamin | i did a restart a few seconds ago. It seems they get started when booting. | 10:53 |
| disq | something weird happened to me on my 770. its batt was depleted, i plugged in the charger and turned it on. after booting the battery icon wouldn't come up (and also radio didn't work) | 10:53 |
| disq | i hard booted and left it to charge, now it's working again | 10:54 |
| zuh | zbenjamin: The other one is most likely the maemo-invoker binary... | 10:54 |
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| zbenjamin | zuh, so its okay for all processes that started with maemo-invoker | 10:55 |
| zuh | zbenjamin: Yes | 10:56 |
| zuh | Also for multi-thread apps of course | 10:56 |
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| timeless | oh, yeah, be sure you aren't confusing threads w/ processes | 10:58 |
| timeless | top and friends on "old" systems generally get this "wrong" | 10:58 |
| zbenjamin | i used ps aux to get running processes | 10:59 |
| timeless | sorry | 10:59 |
| timeless | that doesn't do what you think | 10:59 |
| zbenjamin | timeless, ? | 11:00 |
| zbenjamin | i get it also with ps -A | 11:01 |
| timeless | hold on | 11:01 |
| zbenjamin | and with top | 11:02 |
| timeless | so | 11:02 |
| timeless | the problem is that well err | 11:02 |
| timeless | unix wasn't really designed for threads | 11:02 |
| zuh | zbenjamin: if you are using the busybox ps, it simply ignores any arguments... | 11:02 |
| timeless | and the tools weren't designed for them | 11:02 |
| timeless | and the users weren't designed for them | 11:02 |
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| zbenjamin | hm afaik threads and processes are handled from the kernel the same way | 11:03 |
| zbenjamin | nearly the same way | 11:03 |
| timeless | that's the problem | 11:03 |
| Veggen | hmmf. A string that can attach the stylus to the tablet would be a good thing. | 11:03 |
| Veggen | <--left the stylus at home, again ;) | 11:03 |
| timeless | it makes it very hard for people to understand that a | 11:03 |
| timeless | veggen: use a pen(cil) | 11:04 |
| timeless | or an eraser, or a paperclip | 11:04 |
| zbenjamin | timeless, it seems that the half of your message gets eaten | 11:04 |
| Veggen | timeless: yah, doable. | 11:04 |
| timeless | zbenjamin: because threads and processes aren't very distinct | 11:04 |
| timeless | which makes it hard for an old thing like 'ps' to explain or even recognize that a process is a process or just some other thread in a process | 11:05 |
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| zbenjamin | are there any tools who are aware of proc and threads? | 11:06 |
| suihkulokki | ps -eLf | 11:06 |
| timeless | zbenjamin: i task switch, based on interrupts, your request requires more work, which means i flush and cycle before completing it | 11:06 |
| tigert | ps -axe is very efficient in chopping wood | 11:07 |
| timeless | yeah, -L will explain LWPs | 11:07 |
| wumpus | it's very efficient in destroying wood if yo uprint the output on paper :P | 11:07 |
| tigert | tigert@kryptonite:~$ ps axe | wc -l | 11:07 |
| tigert | 123 | 11:07 |
| timeless | wumpus: i hope most people don't do that :) | 11:07 |
| tigert | hm | 11:07 |
| tigert | this is a stock ubuntu desktop with just few terminals | 11:07 |
| tigert | scary | 11:07 |
| timeless | % ps -eL|grep fire | 11:08 |
| timeless | 18181 1 ? 0:00 firefox | 11:08 |
| timeless | 18204 1 ? 48:09 firefox- | 11:08 |
| timeless | 18204 2 ? 0:11 firefox- | 11:08 |
| tigert | printer tty would be fun | 11:08 |
| timeless | (the first firefox is a shell script, the second is the main thread, the third is probably the timer thread) | 11:08 |
| wumpus | naah, it's not that scary, most processes and threads are in S state anyway | 11:08 |
| wumpus | worst are background processes that are continuously in running state (like firefox sometimes), or those that wake up and poll all the time | 11:10 |
| timeless | wumpus; um | 11:10 |
| wumpus | like some "energy saving" daemons in linux :/ | 11:10 |
| timeless | the only thread i have in firefox that has used real cpu time is the main one | 11:10 |
| zbenjamin | i've seen that for firefox too | 11:10 |
| timeless | it's used 48mins | 11:10 |
| Magi | damn the n800 is unstable, got a reboot by changing radio channel, sometimes it reboots just by itself | 11:10 |
| tigert | Magi: the funny part is, | 11:11 |
| wumpus | but it's probably the fault of the sites, some use stupid polling/looping java scripts | 11:11 |
| tigert | it never reboots on me when I use it | 11:11 |
| tigert | but it does it all by itself on the desk | 11:11 |
| wumpus | Magi: probably you triggered the lifeguard? | 11:11 |
| tigert | I think it might be something related to power management | 11:11 |
| wumpus | acroread is a common "heavy" process too | 11:11 |
| Magi | wumpus: don't know what happened, the reboots seem more or less random | 11:11 |
| timeless | magi: there should be logs in /var/ftd-log/syslog or /var/ftd-log/log/syslog (?) | 11:12 |
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| wumpus | but powersaved was worst, on my dual core opteron it held one core for 100% all the time | 11:12 |
| timeless | magi: and there's a /proc/bootreason (?) | 11:12 |
| wumpus | yeah, that got to save power :P | 11:12 |
| Magi | let's see... | 11:12 |
| tigert | wumpus: it saved power for seti@home? :) | 11:12 |
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| wumpus | hehe I think so :) | 11:13 |
| Magi | timeless: says "32wd_to" | 11:13 |
| tigert | timeless: my device has always done the reboots when idle | 11:13 |
| * tigert thinks he'll go Talk To Eero(tm) | 11:13 | |
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| timeless | you can google for "32wd_to" :) | 11:13 |
| X-Fade | tigert: They say it is already fixed internally.. | 11:13 |
| X-Fade | So the next release will have a fix for that. | 11:13 |
| X-Fade | "Release often, release early" is not something they like @ Nokia :) | 11:14 |
| timeless | tigert: always a good choice :) | 11:14 |
| timeless | x-fade: well, it's a management heavy system | 11:14 |
| timeless | but that's not accurate | 11:14 |
| Magi | timeless: yeah, it seems to be a known problem... | 11:14 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Yeah, I understand that it needs to go through QA. | 11:14 |
| timeless | there's a shipping version and a version designed to ship over the shipping version | 11:14 |
| X-Fade | and legal and.. | 11:15 |
| timeless | which is generally available at ship time | 11:15 |
| melmoth | Btw, how are release managed, shall we use apt-get update, or wait untill a new rootfs should be flashed ? | 11:15 |
| timeless | so they release the final version "early" | 11:15 |
| timeless | and if you count the first service release and check the interval, they ship "often" :) | 11:15 |
| X-Fade | timeless: I hope that the new updates via AI can get those updates out earlier.. | 11:15 |
| X-Fade | So the 'community' can beta test images.. | 11:15 |
| wumpus | yeah that'd be nice | 11:16 |
| wumpus | I don't use my n800 for officiel stuff anyway so I wouldn't mind doing a bit beta testing | 11:16 |
| wumpus | and good thing it's always possible to flash back the old image :) | 11:16 |
| X-Fade | Something that is more like 'testing' in debian. Quite up-to-date but not broken or high probability of being broken like sardine*. | 11:17 |
| wumpus | already did that once | 11:17 |
| wumpus | yeah | 11:17 |
| timeless | x-fade: i'm sure the open source devs who work for nokia would like to change the process | 11:17 |
| wumpus | it should be at least in functional state otherwise 'testing' makes no sense | 11:17 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Yep, I'm sure are least some do :) | 11:17 |
| wumpus | then again it's really great nokia is doing something like this at all | 11:18 |
| X-Fade | timeless: I don't think there is a problem with all people @ Nokia that communicate with us. They all know. It is about all the others hidden away behind the big wall of Nokia.. | 11:19 |
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| wumpus | so I'm not complaining :) | 11:19 |
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| timeless | x-fade: it's more the wall itself than any specific people | 11:20 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Yeah, the inability to reach planners/designers etc. | 11:20 |
| timeless | x-fade: too many stupid deadlines/tasks | 11:21 |
| timeless | way too many things that need fixing | 11:21 |
| X-Fade | timeless: I know this is still a new project. You have to fight battles at every front there is. But that will settle down eventually. | 11:21 |
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| timeless | that's someone's hope | 11:22 |
| * timeless frowns | 11:22 | |
| * timeless hates trying to build svn | 11:22 | |
| X-Fade | Symbian didn't get to where it is today in about 1 year :) | 11:22 |
| X-Fade | Give it time.. | 11:23 |
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| zbenjamin | can i use the debian init.d skeleton for building a init.d script for maemo? | 11:36 |
| c0ffee | yes | 11:41 |
| c0ffee | i'm not sure whether start-stop-daemon is installed thou | 11:42 |
| c0ffee | but in general, it's just a debian init.d | 11:42 |
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| zbenjamin | yes start-stop-daemon is installed | 11:43 |
| wumpus | yup it is there | 11:45 |
| jacques | hmm, the new mplayer is better and worse on N800 | 11:45 |
| jacques | better framerate, worse in that when I stopped the video I could not get it to go away - it was on top of everything else, menus appeared behind it. I had to power cycle. | 11:46 |
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| wumpus | I'm still using the built in video player, but it seems to get audio and video out of sync sometimes | 11:47 |
| wumpus | and can just hang | 11:47 |
| wumpus | is mplayer better? | 11:47 |
| jacques | it plays more formats for one thing | 11:48 |
| wumpus | that doesn't really matter that much to me, I transcode the movies specifically for my N800 | 11:48 |
| wumpus | although I have a 2Gb MMC now so I guess I could fit them entirely, but that's be taxing for the limited CPU power | 11:49 |
| florian | good morning | 11:50 |
| tigert | morn | 11:52 |
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| lardman | morning all | 11:54 |
| jacques | morning lardman | 11:55 |
| lardman | hi jacques | 11:55 |
| tigert | MDK: food? | 11:56 |
| zuh | tigert: no, it's a game | 11:56 |
| zuh | ;) | 11:56 |
| lardman | zuh: Not sure what was wrong with your vfp libm | 11:58 |
| kulve | lardman: we know it now.. | 11:58 |
| tigert | :) | 11:59 |
| lardman | kulve: What was the problem? | 11:59 |
| zuh | ./configure --disable-vfp in debian/rules :P | 11:59 |
| kulve | --without-fp to be precise | 12:00 |
| lardman | oh | 12:00 |
| zuh | whatevr | 12:00 |
| lardman | strange, I guess that must have been in mine too. I wonder why it got overridden | 12:00 |
| kulve | no, that's not in debian/rules | 12:01 |
| kulve | I don't know yet where it comes, but it's given to configure | 12:01 |
| lardman | did you use the source & debian stuff tarball from maemo.org? | 12:02 |
| kulve | yep | 12:02 |
| lardman | so did I | 12:02 |
| lardman | hmm, I should check my config.log | 12:02 |
| kulve | that's where I found that that option was used.. | 12:03 |
| kulve | glibc-2.3.5cs2005q3.2/debian/sysdeps/armel.mk | 12:03 |
| kulve | libc_extra_config_options = $(extra_config_options) --without-fp --with-tls --without-__thread --disable-force-install | 12:03 |
| lardman | Are you using the bora scratchbox setup? | 12:04 |
| kulve | yes | 12:04 |
| lardman | as I'm using the previous one | 12:04 |
| lardman | perhaps some difference to the scripts caused by that. I can't think of any other reason why it wouldn't happen to me too | 12:04 |
| lardman | ah | 12:04 |
| lardman | I'm using 2.3.6 | 12:05 |
| lardman | I think | 12:05 |
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| lardman | ah no, just confused. I used this source: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo3.0/free/source/glibc_2.3.5cs2005q3.2-5.osso12.tar.gz | 12:06 |
| MDK | tigert: a sec | 12:06 |
| kulve | lardman: same here | 12:07 |
| lardman | kulve: I'll take a look at my config.log when I head home for lunch | 12:07 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 12:09 |
| tigert | http://tigert.1g.fi/blog-files/n800-theme/experimental/ | 12:09 |
| tigert | new version (very small updates) | 12:09 |
| tigert | next thing is to put this in garage | 12:09 |
| disq | tried plankton last night and really liked it | 12:11 |
| MDK | tigert: ok | 12:12 |
| tigert | now? | 12:12 |
| tigert | MDK: we should perhaps see eero as well about the reboots | 12:12 |
| MDK | tigert: coming to you | 12:13 |
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| maddler | re | 12:19 |
| melmoth | any idea how can i ask a gtk texview not to try to select text when the user click on it ? | 12:22 |
| jtra | melmoth: perhaps set its event mask not to include clicking | 12:24 |
| disq | melmoth: try making it non editable? | 12:25 |
| disq | melmoth: or you could hook "mark_set" and if there's a selection simply unselect it? | 12:26 |
| melmoth | it is already non editable actually. | 12:28 |
| melmoth | hmm, i do not know about mark_set, i ll try to play with this. | 12:29 |
| melmoth | jtra:i need clicking (but i want the textview to scroll when clicked and pushed, not to try to select) | 12:29 |
| disq | i'm playing with a textview/textbuffer myself right now. mark_set stuff works, though i never tried unselecting the selection | 12:30 |
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| bedboi | is skype video going to be shipped with next bora imageS? | 12:30 |
| disq | i'm using mark_set event to toggle style buttons (bold/italic/etc) on the toolbar depending on the cursor position | 12:30 |
| cybergyp1y | tigert: nice theme! | 12:31 |
| jtra | melmoth: hm, what about wrapping textview in some scrollview, textview would have clicking disabled in mask, scrollview woud have it enabled and there would be code to do drag scrolling | 12:33 |
| melmoth | i dont know, will have to try :) i m playing with mark_set for now. | 12:34 |
| melmoth | btw this is https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/src/rapier?root=rapier&view=markup | 12:35 |
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| melmoth | i m trying to make things in motion_notify | 12:36 |
| melmoth | hmmm, looks like it works wiht mark_set chnaging the selection. | 12:53 |
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| zbenjamin | where to place my icon for a control panel applet? | 13:08 |
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| zbenjamin | i created a desktop file for my control panel applet and added the icon into /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/incon.png but it cannot find it. Do i have to take care of something else? | 13:35 |
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| * zbenjamin needs help | 13:46 | |
| zbenjamin | ...now it works ... without changes. | 13:47 |
| * zbenjamin is confused | 13:47 | |
| inz | Did you reboot or sth? | 13:48 |
| inz | I think the pixmaps in /usr/share/icons need to be in cache files | 13:48 |
| melmoth | i m confused as well,i never managed to make this icons thingy to work..Except the tutorial example :) | 13:48 |
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| kulve | gtk-update-icon-cache | 13:56 |
| kulve | At some point at least I deleted the cache (/usr/share/icons/hicolor/icon-theme.cache) before running the update-thing. Not sure if that's needed anymore | 13:57 |
| inz | kulve, I'm using -f (force) in my .postinst | 13:58 |
| melmoth | I wonder..can i take a picture with the n800 camera ? | 13:58 |
| inz | kulve, in IT2006 at least it was needed | 13:58 |
| inz | melmoth, should be doable with v4l2 api | 13:59 |
| kulve | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/malomo | 13:59 |
| kulve | quick hack camera app :) | 13:59 |
| melmoth | cheers | 13:59 |
| kulve | not really usefull yet, even though it can be used to take a shot and it is save to Images | 14:00 |
| inz | kulve, does it use unicap? | 14:00 |
| kulve | it doesn't even flip the camera, if you turn the camera away (need to change v4l2src to gconfv4l2src in gst) | 14:01 |
| kulve | inz: unicap? | 14:01 |
| inz | kulve, Unicap is a library to access different kinds of video capture devices. Currently supported ( more or less ) are: v4l, v4l2, IIDC 1394 cameras and a video to firewire converter. | 14:01 |
| inz | kulve, it's for gtk2 | 14:01 |
| kulve | we use just gst. And probably not in a very smart way.. | 14:02 |
| inz | hmm, unicap It doesn't support gstreamer, so it's might not be that smart | 14:03 |
| inz | -It | 14:03 |
| lardman | koen: ping | 14:06 |
| koen | lardman: pong | 14:06 |
| lardman | koen: Regarding the flag, scroll back to 09:58 this morning | 14:06 |
| lardman | ah, that my be GMT | 14:06 |
| koen | [10:59] zuh: ./configure --disable-vfp in debian/rules | 14:07 |
| koen | [11:00] kulve: --without-fp to be precise | 14:07 |
| koen | OE does it automagically the right way when TARGET_FPU has been properly set | 14:07 |
| kulve | yeah, maemo doesn't :) | 14:08 |
| lardman | Mine also seemed to work without issues, not sure why as we did the same things afaict | 14:08 |
| lardman | (in scratchbox that is for me) | 14:08 |
| kulve | glibc-2.3.5cs2005q3.2] > cat debian/sysdeps/armel.mk | 14:09 |
| kulve | libc_extra_config_options = $(extra_config_options) --without-fp --with-tls --without-__thread --disable-force-install | 14:09 |
| kulve | I think it's set there | 14:09 |
| zbenjamin | inz, yes i had to reboot | 14:16 |
| zbenjamin | can someone help me with this error? checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. | 14:16 |
| zbenjamin | If you meant to cross compile, use `--host'. | 14:16 |
| zbenjamin | i'm trying to build maemo-af-desktop and ARM target | 14:17 |
| zbenjamin | using this command: DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=maemo-launcher dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 14:17 |
| zbenjamin | it worked before updating to the new scratchbox | 14:17 |
| kulve | quick hack try: remove --host and --build options from the configure line in debian/rules | 14:18 |
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| zbenjamin | kulve, same error | 14:20 |
| kulve | then add them back.. | 14:21 |
| kulve | do you use any special gcc options? | 14:21 |
| kulve | actually the config.log should so the real reason | 14:21 |
| zbenjamin | i changed nothing in the build scripts just added some functionality to maemo_af_desktop | 14:22 |
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| keesj | hi | 14:24 |
| zbenjamin | kulve, after putting them back in i get new errors make[1]: Entering directory `/home/zbenjamin/maemoit2006' | 14:25 |
| zbenjamin | make[1]: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. | 14:25 |
| zbenjamin | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/zbenjamin/maemoit2006' | 14:25 |
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| zbenjamin | kulve, it seems that the script now doesn't create a makefile | 14:32 |
| Guardian | what would you use for command line parsing ? getopt ? glib ? popt ? | 14:32 |
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| RobHu | Yay my N800 has arrived \o/ | 14:39 |
| zbenjamin | when installing a scratchbox target do i have to install devkit debian or debian-sarge? | 14:39 |
| RobHu | Am I right in thinking I need to check compatability for 4GB and 8GB cards? ... and that I might need a new kernel that support SHDC (or something) ? Is there a way about this where I could RTFM? Any card recommendations? | 14:40 |
| Streg | non shdc 4gb cards are reported to work on some occasions. | 14:41 |
| RobHu | eek | 14:43 |
| RobHu | Also this looks bad: W: GPG error: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com bora Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG CBFC2BECC6903E72 Nokia Internet Tablet Archive Automatic Signing Key <integration@maemo.org> | 14:43 |
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| RobHu | Can anyone recommend 4GB or 8GB cards? | 14:46 |
| wumpus | I went with a 2GB card just to be on the safe side | 14:47 |
| wumpus | 4gb are officielly not supported, let alone 8gb ones | 14:47 |
| Streg | RobHu:http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=4gb | 14:49 |
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| RobHu | Streg: Thanks | 14:54 |
| RobHu | I also found this thread: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3895&page=7 | 14:55 |
| hap | is osso-xterm 0.13.mh19bora1 the last version available? | 15:00 |
| hap | is maemo-gaim available for n800 yet ? | 15:01 |
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| inz | hap, the mistral version works fine | 15:09 |
| Streg | hap: it "works", but I found using jabber with ICQ/MSN transports a way better solution | 15:09 |
| inz | I agree on that, jabbet transports are nicer | 15:10 |
| inz | -t+r | 15:10 |
| inz | Especially after I set up my own trasnport which wasn't nearly as laggy as the one I first tried | 15:10 |
| hap | Streg: you mean using the google talk client, adding accounts there? | 15:10 |
| Streg | control panel -> accounts -> new | 15:13 |
| Streg | an you'll have to enable transports on the web.... | 15:14 |
| inz | Or using psi or something | 15:14 |
| Streg | i used http://www.jabber.se/ and it works pretty well (I live in Finland) | 15:16 |
| Streg | but beware, removing those transports is harder than one might think :) | 15:16 |
| inz | ;) | 15:16 |
| hap | ok | 15:16 |
| Streg | I decided to use a separate MSN account with N800. | 15:17 |
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| Jaffa | Excellent, step one of test MUD repository (for crap which doesn't get uploaded to extras and as a testing ground is complete): http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/repo.php/dists/mistral/user/readme.txt | 15:34 |
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| kkito | hello | 15:43 |
| kkito | did someone try the quake2 package? | 15:43 |
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| Jaffa | Gah, app manager doesn't like 302 redirects. | 16:11 |
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| Jaffa | Long-standing Debian bug: "apt does not handle HTTP redirects": https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/18645 | 16:21 |
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| RobHu | How do I install something where it says 'install missing' ? I thought it might be in the apt sources but I can't find it with apt-cache (I'm trying to get GnomeSword) | 16:25 |
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| RobHu | I can't find it on the homepage either you see | 16:25 |
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| inz | robHu, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/16435 | 16:52 |
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| melmoth | RobHu: i doubt gnomesword will work | 16:55 |
| melmoth | there are too many dependencies on gnome itself | 16:55 |
| melmoth | but but... there is rapier :) | 16:55 |
| melmoth | http://hurdygurdy.dyndns.org/maemosword/ | 16:55 |
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| melmoth | If you are the one currently donwloading the stuff, be sure to also take clucene-core, otherwise..it wont work | 16:55 |
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| RobHu | ah! | 16:58 |
| RobHu | thanks | 16:58 |
| melmoth | you are welcome. | 16:58 |
| RobHu | ok great, thanks | 16:59 |
| kkito | did someone try the quake2 package? | 17:01 |
| Tak | not yet | 17:01 |
| Tak | does it run on 770? ;-) | 17:01 |
| etrunko | kkito: link | 17:02 |
| kkito | Tak, no only on n800 | 17:02 |
| kkito | I want to know if the package installs and run ok before submit the package to the maemo garage | 17:03 |
| etrunko | kkito: link? | 17:03 |
| kkito | etrunko, 83.56.186.155:8002 | 17:04 |
| RobHu | melmoth: I can't install python :( http://pastie.caboo.se/40804 | 17:04 |
| Com1 | how possible would it be to Overclock 770 or m800 CPU's?? | 17:05 |
| melmoth | strange RobHu it worked out of the box here (once i added the repository in sources.list) | 17:05 |
| melmoth | and i bet you did as well, otherwise it woudl have told you there is no such package as python2.5-runtime | 17:05 |
| RobHu | :S | 17:06 |
| RobHu | melmoth: Could you post your sources.list for me please? | 17:06 |
| melmoth | But just for teh sake of being sure..couble check you have 'deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free non-free ' in /etc/apt/sources.list | 17:06 |
| etrunko | kkito: downloading | 17:07 |
| melmoth | RobHu: on scratchbox i have: | 17:08 |
| melmoth | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free extras | 17:08 |
| melmoth | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free extras | 17:08 |
| melmoth | deb file:/home/melmoth/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_3.0 bora explicit | 17:08 |
| melmoth | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free non-free | 17:08 |
| melmoth | the last line is the one for python2.5 | 17:09 |
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| RobHu | This is my sources.list http://pastie.caboo.se/40805 | 17:09 |
| melmoth | well, the line is there. | 17:10 |
| sKaBoy | you don't have the main repository, try to add it | 17:10 |
| melmoth | There is no comment on top of it though.I m not sure if this could be the problem... | 17:10 |
| etrunko | RobHu: add deb http://repository.maemo.org bora free non-free | 17:10 |
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| RobHu | aha! thanks etrunko | 17:11 |
| etrunko | RobHu: np | 17:11 |
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| RobHu | How can I get wget and busybox on there? | 17:12 |
| etrunko | kkito: installed, but what is the binary? | 17:12 |
| melmoth | RobHu: wget is ported. | 17:12 |
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| kkito | etrunko, you need the quake2 data files | 17:13 |
| kkito | the binary is in /opt/maemo-quetoo/bin | 17:14 |
| RobHu | ported? apt-cache search doesn't find it, and as I remember trying the .install from the website gave an error | 17:14 |
| RobHu | I'll try that again | 17:14 |
| kkito | run the game with /opt/maemo-quetoo/bin/maemo-quetoo.sh | 17:14 |
| kkito | the quake2 data files (baseq2 dir) must to be installed in /media/mmc1/quake2 | 17:14 |
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| RobHu | Application manager says: Unable to install. Application package is incompatible with current software. | 17:16 |
| melmoth | RobHu: wich package are you trying to install ? | 17:16 |
| RobHu | The one from downloads.maemo.org. It says it is for OS 2006 | 17:17 |
| melmoth | Things are easier once you have a xterm and an ssh access to the n800 | 17:17 |
| RobHu | I have ssh access | 17:17 |
| RobHu | apt-cache search wget doesnt find it | 17:17 |
| kkito | you can download the quake2 demo there ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/quake2/q2-314-demo-x86.exe | 17:17 |
| RobHu | Is there a repository I should have in my sources.list? | 17:17 |
| Jaffa | RobHu: some packages which aren't intended for installing directly can't be installed through the application manager. | 17:17 |
| disq | get 3.20 if possible | 17:18 |
| Jaffa | RobHu: You might just have to use `apt-get' from the command line. | 17:18 |
| bipolar | I hope gaim updated for 2007 soon | 17:18 |
| RobHu | Package wget is not available, but is referred to by another package. | 17:20 |
| RobHu | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or | 17:20 |
| RobHu | is only available from another source | 17:20 |
| RobHu | E: Package wget has no installation candidate | 17:20 |
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| melmoth | RobHu: download it , adn install it with dpkg | 17:22 |
| melmoth | i do not remember form where i downloaded it..but here it is http://hurdygurdy.dyndns.org/maemosword/wget-1.10.2_armel.deb | 17:22 |
| melmoth | Oh, i think it comes from here http://mg.pov.lt/770/dists/mistral/other/binary-armel/ | 17:23 |
| RobHu | melmoth: Are you the guy behind Rapier? | 17:23 |
| melmoth | yep. | 17:24 |
| RobHu | Shiny | 17:24 |
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| RobHu | I was surprised to find that the ESV is available as a module. I thought only out of copyright Bible versions were available. | 17:25 |
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| melmoth | i m not aware there is a copyright on ESV. | 17:25 |
| melmoth | I use NIV (wich is not available for copyright reason :( ) when reading in english. | 17:26 |
| melmoth | and kjv on my n800 :) | 17:26 |
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| Com1 | ok, bible is now avail on N800? | 17:26 |
| RobHu | Yeah there is | 17:26 |
| Com1 | great | 17:26 |
| RobHu | oh I was saying yeah to copyright on the ESV | 17:26 |
| RobHu | but yes to the other question | 17:26 |
| RobHu | Com1: http://hurdygurdy.dyndns.org/maemosword/ | 17:27 |
| RobHu | Com1: melmoth is the author | 17:27 |
| Com1 | thanks | 17:27 |
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| tigert | its good nobody has patented the idea of an electronic bible :) | 17:27 |
| tigert | as far as I think at least | 17:27 |
| tigert | you never know though | 17:27 |
| * Tak files a patent | 17:27 | |
| RobHu | melmoth: Why don't you use the ESV? It's considered to be a better translation than the NIV. | 17:27 |
| lardman | kkito: Is there a demo mode on Quake2? | 17:28 |
| Com1 | i don't use niv | 17:28 |
| melmoth | becuase i m not aware of it :) I spent some years in england, and churches i went to all used NIV, so i know this one. | 17:28 |
| kkito | i dont try with the demo data files, but i think that if you copy the demo data files to the correct dir (/media/mmc1/quake2) the game works | 17:29 |
| melmoth | i think i try out ESV with rapier, but i was dissapointed by all the references appearing as text . | 17:29 |
| RobHu | Most churches use NIV that's true. | 17:29 |
| lardman | kkito: I was just wondering how one measures how well the game is running, etc.? | 17:29 |
| RobHu | A lot of Evangelical churches sometimes use the ESV, and encourage people to use it. | 17:29 |
| RobHu | Some CofE churches use GNB | 17:30 |
| RobHu | although they have to be quite fluffy to do that | 17:30 |
| melmoth | Btw, this page (http://karl.kleinpaste.org/sword/scripts/) show a script that should one let legally create sword module for such translation as NIV | 17:30 |
| RobHu | Are you a Christian melmoth ? | 17:30 |
| melmoth | scrapping some web site to do so.but i did not suceed in generating niv here. If you do, tell me how please :) | 17:30 |
| kkito | lardman, i dont understand you sorry :( You want to look the game running a demo? | 17:30 |
| Com1 | oh my......i don't want to install xterm or python yet. =o( | 17:31 |
| melmoth | RobHu: yes (otherwise i would have started another project :) ) | 17:31 |
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| RobHu | Com1: Why not? | 17:31 |
| Com1 | fear of constant reboot | 17:31 |
| Com1 | WSOD | 17:31 |
| Com1 | brick | 17:31 |
| Tak | what does that have to do with xterm? | 17:31 |
| RobHu | Com1: Python and xterm wont do that | 17:32 |
| Com1 | oh | 17:32 |
| Com1 | N800 Development is moving faster than i thought | 17:34 |
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| Com1 | i work in a computer store in nyc, and we SOLD out our initial order of N800's (100 pieces) less than a week | 17:36 |
| glas5 | nice | 17:36 |
| Com1 | alot of corporate orders | 17:36 |
| Com1 | lots of business , wall-street types buying it | 17:36 |
| Com1 | we do alot of orders via the web too. | 17:37 |
| lardman | kkito: I was wondering whether vfp libm would speed the game up | 17:38 |
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| lardman | kkito: So I wanted a quantitative way of judging the performance | 17:38 |
| Com1 | Stupid question: how possible would it be to Overclock 770 or m800 CPU's?? | 17:38 |
| RobHu | Com1: I don't personally know, but I'm interested in why you would want to. | 17:39 |
| kkito | lardman, i compiled the sources using the mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp flags | 17:40 |
| inz | I'm more interested how come someone is afraid of python and xterm, but wants to oc the device | 17:41 |
| Com1 | maybe it would solve alot of these "slow" problems | 17:41 |
| lardman | kkito: If it uses any functions from libm (e.g. trig functions), using vfp libm may speed it up more | 17:41 |
| RobHu | Com1: Slow? What is slow for you? | 17:41 |
| Com1 | Overclocking worked for Palm | 17:41 |
| Com1 | no, no | 17:41 |
| Com1 | not me | 17:41 |
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| Tak | yeah, I want to add liquid cooling and clock my 770 up to 2GHz | 17:41 |
| Com1 | everything's fine | 17:41 |
| Com1 | i'm content | 17:41 |
| Com1 | ok, make fun....but i am serious | 17:42 |
| Tak | actually I wasn't trying to make fun of you | 17:42 |
| RobHu | wah, no emacs. Has anyone ported emacs yet? | 17:43 |
| Tak | iirc someone has ported zile | 17:43 |
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| kkito | lardman, i think that it uses its own trig implementation | 17:44 |
| lardman | kkito: I was wondering about that | 17:44 |
| kkito | the id software quake2 trigonometric implementation | 17:44 |
| lardman | fast and dirty | 17:44 |
| Com1 | youtube quake2 on N800 = video | 17:46 |
| Com1 | accept it | 17:46 |
| bipolar | Com1: hey... great to hear. I'm glad to know the 800 is doing that well in sales. (yeah, I'm a bit late to comment) | 17:47 |
| kkito | the game is playable at 400x240 resolution at 15-20 fps... | 17:48 |
| Com1 | yeah, we re-ordered 3 times since it came out | 17:48 |
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| kkito | with a 800x480 res it isnot playable. | 17:48 |
| Com1 | to keep up with demand | 17:48 |
| Tak | now if only there was a pixel doubling hack ;-) | 17:48 |
| * Tak prods ssvb | 17:48 | |
| Com1 | our buyer is keeping a good lookout on that unit | 17:48 |
| ssvb | Tak: a new weekend is coming, I'm sure I'll have something interesting to show on Monday :) | 17:50 |
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| bipolar | Are any of the EDS port devs here? | 17:54 |
| konfoo | has anyone compiled frotz for the n800 | 17:56 |
| bipolar | hmm... I wonder if gnumeric and abiword have been ported yet.... | 17:58 |
| Tak | yes | 17:58 |
| konfoo | btw what packaging system is everyone using nowadays | 17:58 |
| c0ffee | somebody managed to compile osso-email? | 17:58 |
| Tak | packaging system? | 17:59 |
| konfoo | i really need to package up some of my binaries | 17:59 |
| konfoo | Tak: .deb automator for bora, etc | 17:59 |
| Tak | you mean like mud-builder? or like dh_make ? | 17:59 |
| konfoo | like mud builder | 17:59 |
| Tak | afaik mud-builder is it | 17:59 |
| dolfun | abiword? sweet | 17:59 |
| konfoo | heh ok | 18:00 |
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| dolfun | konfoo, i think there was a frotz like interpreter | 18:00 |
| kkito | etrunko, did the quake2 run on your n800? | 18:02 |
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| * dolfun \o/s for q2 on n800 | 18:08 | |
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| disq | gah. i've been playing with gtktextview and friends for the last 10 hours or so | 18:10 |
| lardman | I see that Quetoo says this: "Dramatic performance increases through proper removal of dynamic lighting, polyblend and other "candy" features." | 18:10 |
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| lardman | shame we don't have working powervr mbx to allow us to use the "candy features" ;) | 18:10 |
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| RobHu | lardman: So the graphics chip in the n800 supports more stuff, but TI wont tell anyone how to use it / provide a driver? | 18:17 |
| bipolar | dolfun: I havn't been able to find a working package for abiword | 18:18 |
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| bipolar | dolfun: all I found was this (at the bottom): http://www.indt.org.br/maemo/ | 18:19 |
| lardman | RobHu: Not sure who's supposed to write the drivers. Imagination Technologies who license the chip don't give out technical info to end users | 18:19 |
| RobHu | lardman: Why haven't Nokia sorted this out? Surely they would want the n800 to support this stuff? | 18:19 |
| dolfun | hah i just made another n800 customer in irc | 18:20 |
| dolfun | viral marketing :D | 18:20 |
| lardman | RobHu: I would think so so. I'd also expect that Ti would want it working to show how great their OMAP is | 18:20 |
| RobHu | lardman: Why do you think it hasn't happened then? Do you think it will happen in the future? | 18:20 |
| kkito | offcourse with the powervr support whe can have quake2 at fullspeed with fancy effects and i think that quake3 will be possible too.... | 18:21 |
| kkito | of course :P | 18:21 |
| lardman | RobHu: I don't know. I would like to know whether this issue is lack of developers on the Nokia side, or a hold-up/cost issue related to Imagination Technologies | 18:21 |
| dolfun | the marketing men seem to be ignoring the n800's general purpose potential and positioning it the way they did the 770 | 18:22 |
| dolfun | so if the marketing men say "this is not applicable to our target customer base" nokia won't invest resources in supporting performance features | 18:22 |
| lardman | Imagination Technologies (ImTec from now on, too much typing ;) ) have produced a Linux driver for the 2.6.x kernels for the pepperpad2 | 18:22 |
| RobHu | lardman: Is it similar enough that it could be made to work on the n800 do you think? | 18:23 |
| lardman | dolfun: That's possible, but I'd have thought Nokia would benefit from a snazzy GUI if they used its abilities | 18:23 |
| dolfun | i am on the geek side and think that making a more 'kick ass' product has long run benefits | 18:23 |
| lardman | RobHu: Doubt it. It's the mbx lite version, plus I imagine there are hw specifics in it | 18:23 |
| kkito | the lite version is more powerful than the mbx | 18:24 |
| lardman | RobHu: But it's obviously possible to obtain a driver, I just don't know how & who has to ask | 18:24 |
| lardman | kkito: No, I don't think so | 18:24 |
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| lardman | http://www.imgtec.com/PowerVR/products/Graphics/MBX/index.asp vs http://www.imgtec.com/PowerVR/products/Graphics/MBXLite/index.asp | 18:26 |
| kkito | yes the mbx has more power than the lite version :P | 18:27 |
| dolfun | nokia has to start thinking of it more as a 'Swiss Army Knife' in your pocket. that is how they can differentiate their product best. | 18:27 |
| lardman | well they may think that way already, but lack resources (developers, money) to implement things like this. | 18:28 |
| lardman | It would be nice for us to know either way | 18:28 |
| kulve | it can also be that would need to pay something to imtec to use their chip.. | 18:28 |
| kulve | just guessing | 18:28 |
| lardman | The demos they show use Quake 3 iirc | 18:29 |
| lardman | kulve: Indeed, not to use it, but for them to develop the driver I suppose | 18:29 |
| lardman | kulve: Again, would be nice to know if this is the problem, & how much it would cost | 18:29 |
| kulve | well, a bit pointless to speculate since we don't have any facts :) | 18:30 |
| lardman | what else are Friday afternoons for?! | 18:30 |
| kulve | lardman: I mailed the imtec and they said they "are actively discussing this issue with Nokia and 3rd parties to find a solution." | 18:31 |
| kkito | well here we have the peeperpad powervr driver ... http://updates.pepper.com/pub/pepperpad/sources/pepperpad2/3.0.3/pvrdrv.ko.tar | 18:31 |
| lardman | kulve: Well that may be a promising sign :) | 18:32 |
| kkito | it seems that it has the gpl license?! then.. Where is the source code! | 18:32 |
| lardman | kkito: Ask away ;) | 18:32 |
| kulve | lardman: it may, but on the other hand, it was a marketing guy speakin.. | 18:32 |
| lardman | kulve: Yeah, could be a fob-off | 18:32 |
| kulve | license=GPL | 18:33 |
| kulve | author=Imagination Technologies plc | 18:33 |
| kulve | vermagic=2.6.13.4 preempt ARMv5 gcc-3.4 | 18:33 |
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| lardman | There is also a 2.4.x kernel driver & sdk released on the omapgaming site for the omap 2420 | 18:35 |
| disq | mmm.. backport the n800 drivers to 2.6.13.4? | 18:35 |
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| lardman | what version kernel is the n800? | 18:36 |
| disq | 2.6.18-omap1 | 18:36 |
| lardman | thanks | 18:36 |
| bipolar | darn... no gnumerc package either | 18:38 |
| lardman | home time, have a nice weekend all | 18:39 |
| disq | cya | 18:39 |
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| RobHu | melmoth: Why are the cross references displayed as part of the text? | 18:42 |
| RobHu | This is with the ESV | 18:42 |
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| etrunko | kkito: i don't have the files | 19:03 |
| etrunko | :( | 19:03 |
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| bipolar | where do I find the 'flasher' bin to flash a new kernel? | 19:21 |
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| inz | bipolar, http://maemo.org/downloads/d3.php | 19:22 |
| daveaitel | just as a funny note: writing a C compiler in Python, and then running it on the N770, is a good way to really FEEL how slow that chip is. :> Still usable, but ... visibly slow. | 19:24 |
| daveaitel | I wonder if there's an API exported to hildon that will play ogg files | 19:24 |
| bipolar | inz: wait a min... this doesn't run on the device? I'm new to this but I thought it ran on the nokia to flash a file to the firmware. | 19:24 |
| daveaitel | or maybe a text-to-speech API | 19:25 |
| inz | bipolar, the flashing is usually done from a pc | 19:25 |
| bipolar | inz: interesting... over USB? | 19:25 |
| bipolar | or IP? | 19:25 |
| inz | bip, USB | 19:25 |
| bipolar | hmmm.... ok. | 19:25 |
| bipolar | inz: thanks for the info :) | 19:26 |
| inz | bip, I'm not quite sure, perhaps you could write the kernel with dd on a running device too | 19:26 |
| bipolar | inz: I'll look it up. I'm coming from a Zaurus, which used a completely diffrent method | 19:27 |
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| Jaffa | Hmm, why is dpkg-buildpackage failing from one part of mud, but not another (dependency-led build vs. direct user-requested build). It makes No Sense[TM]. | 19:28 |
| RobHu | Is there a way to change screen orientation? | 19:28 |
| inz | RobHu, with a patched kernel, yes | 19:28 |
| Jaffa | xrandr theoretically. Was got working on OS 2005 on the 770, the UI breaks somewhat. | 19:29 |
| bipolar | Can anyone tell me, if I upload a broken kernel to my n800 and it won't boot, can the flasher still be used to upload a working one or is my device bricked? | 19:30 |
| inz | bip, it can | 19:31 |
| inz | bip, the flashing is done before the kernel is loaded | 19:31 |
| c0ffee | and even if you brick it, you can still cold-flash it using the serial port | 19:31 |
| bipolar | c0ffee: is there s serial port? | 19:32 |
| bipolar | c0ffee: usb-serial? | 19:32 |
| RobHu | inz: Is there a page that tells me about this you could point me to please? | 19:34 |
| inz | RobHu, the page is for IT2005, but I guess it's still the same | 19:35 |
| inz | Robhu, http://syslog.movial.fi/archives/7-xrandr-on-nokia-770.html | 19:35 |
| c0ffee | if you open the battery cover there's a serial port next to the battery | 19:35 |
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| RobHu | inz: Thankyou | 19:37 |
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| Tak | k-s: http://flickr.com/photos/79742524@N00/sets/72157594538290376/ | 19:39 |
| bipolar | c0ffee: ahh... I guess I would need to put a pin header on that? | 19:39 |
| c0ffee | there's some information in the wiki on the howto compile kernel page | 19:39 |
| c0ffee | and some on the flasherusage page | 19:39 |
| bipolar | c0ffee: thats good to know. thanks! | 19:40 |
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| k-s | Tak: awesome! | 19:40 |
| Tak | got me major points with teh fiancee ;-) | 19:40 |
| andrunko | heh, nice | 19:41 |
| k-s | Tak: I can imagine :-) | 19:41 |
| Jaffa | Tak: very nice | 19:41 |
| Molagi | hmm is the any calendar app for n800? | 19:41 |
| Molagi | there* | 19:41 |
| c0ffee | gpe-calendar | 19:41 |
| Tak | Molagi: there are gpe-calendar and dates | 19:41 |
| Jaffa | Molagi: GPE Calendar, Dates, Winzig, DejaDesktop(?) | 19:41 |
| Molagi | ok | 19:42 |
| Molagi | is GPE calendar the best? | 19:42 |
| Jaffa | FSVO "best", yes. | 19:42 |
| Tak | winzig sounds like a european metal band | 19:42 |
| koen | danzig? | 19:42 |
| c0ffee | winzig means micro | 19:42 |
| Molagi | can i get it from the garage | 19:42 |
| c0ffee | it's in the kernelconcepts apt repository | 19:43 |
| Molagi | hmm link | 19:43 |
| Molagi | or adress to the repository | 19:43 |
| c0ffee | google.com/search?q=kernelconcepts+maemo+apt | 19:43 |
| Molagi | ty¨ | 19:43 |
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| Molagi | cant find it :( | 19:52 |
| bipolar | w00t! new kernel flashed. | 19:52 |
| bipolar | I wish the default IM app did more then gtalk and jabber. | 19:53 |
| melmoth | RobHu: i have no idea why are the cross references displayed in the text with ESV | 19:53 |
| melmoth | it s not the case for other modules | 19:53 |
| bipolar | having that and gaim installed seems redundant | 19:53 |
| melmoth | i must admit i know nearly nothing of how sword works and i learnt while writing code.... | 19:54 |
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| RobHu | hmm | 19:56 |
| RobHu | How odd | 19:56 |
| melmoth | yop, i do now know if the problem comes from the module or from the way i fetch the data from it. | 19:57 |
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| melmoth | s/do now/do not/ | 19:59 |
| Molagi | hmm i added the kernelconcepts and now it says "unable to refresh list" | 19:59 |
| Molagi | got it working nvm | 20:01 |
| tko | woo.. skating for the first time in over around six years and didn't even fall down.. | 20:02 |
| tko | it's like riding a bicycle :) | 20:02 |
| inz | ...on ice | 20:05 |
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| tko | well, no.. riding a bicycle on ice is not fun | 20:05 |
| inz | Sure it is | 20:06 |
| inz | It may not be safe or useful | 20:06 |
| inz | But it is fun | 20:06 |
| tko | too stressful for my taste | 20:06 |
| bipolar | hmm... looks like someone is doing an armel port of debian | 20:06 |
| bipolar | http://armel-debs.applieddata.net/debian/ | 20:06 |
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| Com1 | ok , it seems my N800 has a protective screen film on it | 20:10 |
| Com1 | Does any one else have it on theirs | 20:10 |
| melmoth | i have one | 20:10 |
| Com1 | mine came with it | 20:11 |
| Com1 | I didn't know it | 20:11 |
| Com1 | until now | 20:11 |
| melmoth | me too, did not bother removed it..its transparent :) | 20:11 |
| Com1 | yeah, but it looks scratched up | 20:11 |
| Com1 | :( | 20:11 |
| Com1 | only had it a week | 20:12 |
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| Com1 | that was a big complaint about the n800 | 20:12 |
| Tak | the film that comes on it is meant to be removed | 20:12 |
| Com1 | but I guess the same people that complained didn't realize about that protective screen | 20:13 |
| Com1 | i'm not gonna remove it | 20:13 |
| Streg | I removed the protection, beucause it had a big silver "handle" on it like in other nokia products where the protection is supposed to be removed | 20:13 |
| Com1 | i don't want to mess up the original screen | 20:13 |
| Streg | Com1:buy a protective film from ebay | 20:13 |
| Com1 | haha, it didn't "grab" the protective screen | 20:13 |
| Com1 | I was wondering what that little tab was for | 20:14 |
| Com1 | i'll get it for my job | 20:14 |
| Com1 | jr.com | 20:14 |
| Com1 | from my job | 20:14 |
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| Com1 | i need ssh client | 20:20 |
| Com1 | ssh to my IRC'd account | 20:20 |
| Com1 | at chpass.net | 20:20 |
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| bipolar | the earbuds that come with the 800, is that little box on them a microphone? | 20:23 |
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| kulve | bipolar: yup | 20:25 |
| bipolar | cool | 20:25 |
| bipolar | The media streamer app sees my mythtv box, but doesn't show anything available on it. :p | 20:26 |
| kulve | they are all ogg? | 20:27 |
| bipolar | kulve: no, my music is all mp3 | 20:28 |
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| bipolar | After installing the FM Radio app, it doesn't show up in the menu. I am able to start it from xterm though. | 20:37 |
| bipolar | is it hidden somewhere? | 20:37 |
| Tak | applet list | 20:37 |
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| bipolar | I don't see it :\ | 20:38 |
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| tko | bipolar, home applet | 20:39 |
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| bipolar | tko: oh! I get it. | 20:40 |
| bipolar | tko: thanks :) | 20:40 |
| tko | you should complain somewhere where the authors could see it anyhow :) | 20:41 |
| kulve | Maintainer: <internet-tablet-addons@nokia.com> | 20:47 |
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| kulve | heh, the fmradio doesn't depend on anything, mut predepends on stuff | 20:48 |
| tko | oh, it actually did come with some contact information. I'm amazed | 20:48 |
| kulve | is that valid address? ;) | 20:48 |
| tko | I didn't say 'valid contact information' did I? :) | 20:49 |
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| maddler | evening all... | 20:52 |
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| keesj | Hi | 20:56 |
| Com1 | what is red-pill mode? | 20:58 |
| konfoo | its a scary thing.. | 20:59 |
| maddler | heya keesj | 20:59 |
| kulve | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode | 20:59 |
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| bingo | hi, I'm new to N800 and meamo, I have a question that I can't found an answer: is hildon open source? | 21:07 |
| kulve | yes | 21:07 |
| kulve | i.e. the hildon libs | 21:07 |
| kulve | which isn't very thick layer | 21:07 |
| bingo | so what is not open source on the N800? | 21:07 |
| kulve | wlan kernel driver, some keyboard stuff | 21:08 |
| kulve | there's quite many smaller binary-only things | 21:08 |
| kulve | there are.. | 21:08 |
| kulve | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/ | 21:08 |
| kulve | source for hildon libs etc | 21:09 |
| kulve | not all sources are there though | 21:09 |
| bingo | that great to have a free wm like hildon! :-) | 21:09 |
| tko | you can get all the open sources from maemo.org if you know where to look for, some of them are actively developed in the open | 21:10 |
| tko | hildon isn't really wm, we use matchbox | 21:10 |
| bingo | hum... | 21:10 |
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| bingo | is it possible to install matchbox on the N800? | 21:13 |
| tko | umm, it's preinstalled | 21:13 |
| kulve | it is there.. | 21:13 |
| kulve | it's THE wm of the device.. | 21:13 |
| kulve | hildon is just a widget set on top of GTK | 21:13 |
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| kulve | the navigator part of the maemo-af-desktop does some window handling (at least keeps track of them) | 21:13 |
| bingo | ha... ok | 21:14 |
| tko | hildon is both the overall look'n'feel as well as a set of common (HildonWindow, Banner) and specific (DateEditor) widgets | 21:14 |
| tko | terminology overload | 21:14 |
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| zuh | Com1: take the protective sheet off, the real screen is much more durable than that... It won't scratch from normal usage and it's more sensitive without. | 21:22 |
| Com1 | ok | 21:23 |
| Com1 | i will, when i get a cover for it | 21:23 |
| Com1 | thanks zuh | 21:23 |
| RobHu | Are there better themes than the ones that come by detaulf with the n800? | 21:27 |
| kulve | plankton | 21:27 |
| Tak | my fiancee loves the valentine's theme | 21:27 |
| Com1 | haha, there is a valentine theme | 21:27 |
| Tak | plankton is very nice | 21:27 |
| Com1 | Ewwwww | 21:27 |
| RobHu | Where can I find plankton? | 21:27 |
| RobHu | I can't see it with apt-cache search plankton | 21:29 |
| RobHu | Is there a .install somewhere? | 21:31 |
| tzz | robhu: there was a post about it on planet.maemo.org | 21:31 |
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| RobHu | tzz: thanks, I'll look for that | 21:31 |
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| Tak | http://www.tigert.com/archives/2007/02/11/some-minor-updates/ | 21:32 |
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| BrianRice | yo. i've just acquired rev's (dunno if he hung out here) old 770 and want to hack it | 21:33 |
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| maddler | BrianRice: good for you! :D | 21:35 |
| maddler | a good start is maemo.org's Wiki | 21:35 |
| BrianRice | cool | 21:35 |
| Tak | and the tutorial | 21:35 |
| BrianRice | i'll mostly be hacking squeak but might branch out into other things | 21:36 |
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| Tak | http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/Maemo_tutorial.html | 21:36 |
| BrianRice | btw is there an easy way to get Ctrl/Alt-modifier input on the 770? | 21:36 |
| BrianRice | gracias | 21:36 |
| Tak | new xterm package has a sidebar for ctrl | 21:37 |
| BrianRice | that's a start. the version i have puts it in a submenu | 21:37 |
| BrianRice | arrow keys, too? | 21:37 |
| BrianRice | (honestly i'm surprised since the keyboard supports unicode but not the usual WinCE keys) | 21:38 |
| BrianRice | or the pipe symbol | 21:38 |
| * BrianRice shuts up and googles | 21:38 | |
| suihkulokki | BrianRice: use the rocker for arrow keys | 21:38 |
| BrianRice | ah | 21:39 |
| suihkulokki | it appears there should be a FAQ for xterm.. | 21:39 |
| BrianRice | right now i'm sufficing by running Bear SSH and shelling in | 21:40 |
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| zuh | BrianRice: the pipe symbol is in the 'symbols' tab in the keyboard | 21:44 |
| BrianRice | zuh: oh between the esset/integral and pi? strange place, but thanks | 21:46 |
| maddler | keys location may vary with different "keyboard" layout... | 21:46 |
| maddler | I'm using English (UK) keyboard layout in xterm... | 21:47 |
| maddler | so that I get most useful keys at hand... | 21:47 |
| Tak | hooray, I'm finally connected to our broken wifi | 21:47 |
| BrianRice | ah thanks | 21:48 |
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| BrianRice | yeah UK is much better | 21:48 |
| * Tak tries the uk layout for comparison | 21:48 | |
| RobHu | Plankton is a lot better :-) | 21:49 |
| RobHu | Thanks tzz ! | 21:49 |
| s-ndh-c | is there fdsik or something for the 770? | 21:50 |
| Tak | anybody having layout weirdness with plankton + control panel? | 21:50 |
| maddler | s-ndh-c: sfdisk | 21:51 |
| zuh | Tak: what kind? | 21:51 |
| maddler | Tak: ? | 21:51 |
| Tak | let me screenshot | 21:51 |
| maddler | Tak: try applying another theme and then plankton again | 21:52 |
| maddler | Tak: I had some applications using (part of) previously used theme.. | 21:52 |
| Tak | no, it's using the whole theme | 21:52 |
| maddler | yep... | 21:53 |
| maddler | try theme switching a couple time... | 21:53 |
| maddler | not sure of the reason... | 21:53 |
| maddler | but that worked for me... :) | 21:53 |
| maddler | brb | 21:53 |
| tko | if you have xterm you could check if you have ~/.osso/current-gtk-theme*.cache files around, and if so delete them | 21:54 |
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| tzz | robhu: no problem, I had nothing to do with Plankton. Do keep planet.maemo.org as a bookmark though, all the cool stuff is announced there. | 22:00 |
| Tak | http://flickr.com/photos/79742524@N00/392292281/ | 22:01 |
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| Tak | any recommendations for sites that work with the internet radio applet? | 22:11 |
| Tak | having issues with shoutcast | 22:11 |
| konfoo | anyone want to buy a 770? i have a spare one for sale.. | 22:12 |
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| konfoo | Tak: no issues here (plank+ctrlpanel) | 22:12 |
| matt_c | Tak: http://www.publicradiofan.com/ is nice for public radio stuff. | 22:12 |
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| matt_c | Tak: a lot of the time I end up downloading the .m3u and pointing the radio applet at the source listed there. | 22:13 |
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| s-ndh-c | how am i supposed to install e2fsprogs? | 22:15 |
| s-ndh-c | if i try to install that it screws up dpkg | 22:17 |
| s-ndh-c | it tries to remove osso-af for some reason | 22:17 |
| Jaffa | Hmmm, anyone any experience with Perl modules in Scratchbox (specifically DynaLoader/.so-based ones)? | 22:19 |
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| Jaffa | Or any Scratchbox fu for avoiding the situation where /scratchbox/tools/lib/perl5/5.8.4/i686-linux-thread-multi/DynaLoader.pm is trying to load /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Bit/Vector/Vector.so which, when in SDK_ARM is two entirely different architectures :-( | 22:21 |
| Com1 | my N800 came with only 1 internet radio channel! How do i get more??? | 22:24 |
| Jaffa | Oooh, maybe if I set PERLINCDIR etc. | 22:24 |
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| Tak | that's what I'm currently struggling with @ com1 | 22:24 |
| Com1 | Does it work with "shoutcast" servers? | 22:25 |
| Tak | I haven't had any luck yet with shoutcast.com | 22:25 |
| Com1 | dang | 22:25 |
| Tak | doesn't mean it's unpossible; I'm a n00b | 22:25 |
| tzz | Jaffa: look at perl -V, -Dotherlibdirs might be the problem | 22:25 |
| tigert | Com1: yes, it is "shoutcast" | 22:26 |
| tigert | that's what internet radio is | 22:26 |
| tzz | by default on my SB install it includes /usr/lib/perl5 | 22:26 |
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| s-ndh-c | Tak: does that work different than on the n770? | 22:26 |
| * Tak shrugs | 22:26 | |
| Tak | actually I'm on a 770 now | 22:26 |
| Com1 | tigert, only 1 chan installed?? | 22:26 |
| tigert | Com1: http://217.30.180.253:7070/listen.pls for example | 22:26 |
| tigert | Com1: just add whatever you want | 22:26 |
| s-ndh-c | this home applet seems to get the streaming from the audioplayer playlist favorites | 22:26 |
| tigert | there are way many | 22:26 |
| tigert | yea, the home applet uses the media player radio favorites | 22:27 |
| tzz | com1: you can look in the itunes directory, it's all in the details when you add the stream | 22:27 |
| s-ndh-c | atleast thats where this predefined stream is in | 22:27 |
| Com1 | the killer app for N800 would be a MIDI player/sequencer. | 22:27 |
| tigert | yes | 22:27 |
| Jaffa | tzz: yeah, if I add /scratchbox/users/ubuntu/targets/SDK_PC/usr/lib/perl5 to the head of @INC, the host libraries take precedence. Excellent. | 22:27 |
| Com1 | Does N800 support MIDI | 22:27 |
| Com1 | ? | 22:27 |
| tzz | com1: my favorite is http://streams.frequence3.net/mp3-192.m3u but that may be too much pop for most people :) | 22:27 |
| Tak | hmm | 22:27 |
| Tak | actually my shoutcast stream is working now | 22:28 |
| Tak | I just had to try several times | 22:28 |
| tigert | we should try to recompile soundtracker for N800 | 22:28 |
| tigert | ! | 22:28 |
| * Jaffa likes the 128k AAC Virgin Radio Classic Rock feed. | 22:28 | |
| tigert | that would actually be fun | 22:28 |
| tigert | the screen is perfect for that even | 22:28 |
| tigert | of course typing stuff is hard :) | 22:28 |
| Com1 | i'm pushing for MIDI support for Internet Tablets | 22:28 |
| tigert | but soundtracker is gtk 1.2 :I | 22:29 |
| Tak | actually I was thinking an IT would be a great wireless controller for frets on fire | 22:29 |
| tzz | com1: and MOD files! back to the 80s/early 90s! | 22:29 |
| tzz | com1: just kidding, I know MIDI support is useful | 22:29 |
| Com1 | mod files.wow........you bought it back | 22:29 |
| Tak | plenty of space for five frets on screen, then the other buttons can be used for picking | 22:29 |
| Com1 | midi...........i'm not talking bout ringtones | 22:30 |
| tigert | mods rule | 22:30 |
| Com1 | N800 uses wav files for ringtones | 22:30 |
| bipolar | wow... gizmo is awesome | 22:30 |
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| s-ndh-c | i cant install e2fsprogs | 22:34 |
| tigert | wow | 22:34 |
| s-ndh-c | some of the dependant packages that get installed seems to hoss dpkg status file | 22:34 |
| tigert | fretsonfire looks amazing | 22:34 |
| s-ndh-c | now i cant do anything nomore with dpkg | 22:35 |
| s-ndh-c | :( | 22:35 |
| Tak | tigert: it's killer | 22:35 |
| tigert | it looks like awesome fun with a bunch of friends and some beer :) | 22:35 |
| tigert | need to keep this in mind when we need office entertainment :) | 22:35 |
| Tak | lol | 22:35 |
| Tak | yeah, we had some fun with it at our office the other day | 22:36 |
| Tak | keyboards that have a big space between f4 and f5 must be destroyed, however | 22:36 |
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| tigert | oh right | 22:36 |
| tigert | no Keytronics | 22:36 |
| tigert | then | 22:36 |
| tko | or thinkpads | 22:38 |
| tzz | tak: logitech G15 is the best keyboard I ever owner (I already bought three, one for work and two for home) | 22:40 |
| tigert | well, laptops make it a bit hard in general :) | 22:40 |
| tigert | tzz: just for fretsonfire? :) | 22:40 |
| Tak | actually the imac kb in the cube behind me is perfect | 22:41 |
| bipolar | are bluetooth headsets compatable with the 800? | 22:41 |
| Tak | fkeys closely and evenly spaced | 22:41 |
| keesj | tzz, I have been using only MS natural keyboards in the last 8 years | 22:44 |
| keesj | MS should only create keyboard :P | 22:44 |
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| keesj | http://tinyurl.com/au7pe (url to a good product of a bad company) | 22:45 |
| keesj | tzz, and you can program the lcd? | 22:46 |
| keesj | the G15 has plenty of geeky features | 22:47 |
| tzz | keesj: yes, though I haven't had the time to play with the LCD | 22:47 |
| keesj | you need to replace the lcd with a n700 | 22:48 |
| tzz | that would be pretty, but I prefer to keep it detached for the trip back home | 22:49 |
| k-s | what's the french translation of "buffering" ? | 22:49 |
| keesj | tampon.... | 22:49 |
| tzz | N800 + canola = good ipod replacement | 22:49 |
| k-s | tzz: wait for my canola + external usb HDD :-) | 22:49 |
| keesj | k-s, but check the spelling :p | 22:49 |
| k-s | tzz: or canola + ipod (via gpod) | 22:50 |
| maddler | but has new canola been released already? | 22:50 |
| andrunko | no | 22:50 |
| k-s | keesj: do players use that? | 22:50 |
| tzz | nah, I don't care for that much storage, just more things to lose. Bigger SDHC is all I want. | 22:50 |
| Tak | so...mplayer backend for canola? ;-) | 22:50 |
| tzz | well, all I want from Nokia anyhow. | 22:51 |
| keesj | I know it is used in "cache-memory" | 22:51 |
| andrunko | yeah, i will finish the tests now and release it when canola is released | 22:51 |
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| Tak | nice - when is canola set to be released? | 22:51 |
| andrunko | today | 22:51 |
| k-s | Tak: in few minutes | 22:51 |
| tzz | andrunko: I assume it's OK to talk about the beta since it's released today, and people have discussed it before here. | 22:51 |
| Tak | cool | 22:51 |
| andrunko | tzz: yep, no problem | 22:51 |
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| keesj | k-s, I just checked ,yes this is the best word :p. buffering=mettre dans un tampon | 22:53 |
| tzz | andrunko: have you guys thought about a pop-up menu to navigate quickly instead of backing out of one menu to go into another? e.g. music to photocast. | 22:54 |
| florian | re | 22:54 |
| Tak | lol - french is awesome | 22:54 |
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| andrunko | tzz: this kind of thing should be discussed with handful, the UI designer guy | 22:55 |
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| andrunko | tzz: you can add this as a feature request | 22:55 |
| s-ndh-c | is it possible to make my n770 connect to my wlan at home automaticaly? like if it finished booting check for known networks and join them? | 22:55 |
| bipolar | s-ndh-c: my 800 does that if it's connected to the ap before. | 22:56 |
| s-ndh-c | bipolar: yeah i noticed that, i have this hacked itos2007 version installed on my mmc card it did that too | 22:56 |
| s-ndh-c | thats why iam asking if itos2006 can do that too | 22:57 |
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| Com1 | i would like to hook a joystick into the USB port on N800 | 22:58 |
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| bhima | Hrm. None of the instructions I've found will let me install python2.5 on my N800. | 22:59 |
| s-ndh-c | Com1: i guess that only works if you have a hub or something or do joysticks not need power? | 22:59 |
| bhima | everything needs power. | 23:00 |
| bhima | Does anybody know how to install python on an empty N800? | 23:00 |
| s-ndh-c | so hub or special cable with power injector or something like that | 23:00 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 23:00 |
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| bhima | Since I'm guessing you want to plug this into your 770 or N800, last I heard your handheld needed power as well as the device. | 23:01 |
| hub | I don't have special cables | 23:02 |
| tzz | andrunko: OK, I was just wondering if you've discussed it before. I'll make it a feature req. | 23:03 |
| hub | keesj: you know that in France we'd just use the word "buffer" anyway | 23:06 |
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| bipolar | I wonder if a USB Edge network adaptor could work with the 800... I like the idea of hi speed internet anywhere. | 23:09 |
| keesj | hub http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9moire_tampon | 23:09 |
| keesj | Can I read this as "they think buffer is acceptable"? | 23:10 |
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| hub | yeah | 23:12 |
| hub | keesj: in the practical use, yes | 23:12 |
| hub | keesj: in Quebec, would be different though | 23:12 |
| hub | keesj: that's what's happening with jargon | 23:12 |
| Com1 | so..the USB on N800 is HOST!?? | 23:12 |
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| s-ndh-c | Com1: i think the controler supports both | 23:14 |
| bipolar | Com1: it can be, yes | 23:14 |
| s-ndh-c | but its only in peripheral mode by default | 23:14 |
| s-ndh-c | so you have to switch the operating mode to host to use usb devices with your n770/n800 | 23:15 |
| tko | and host mode drains battery | 23:15 |
| s-ndh-c | but the main problem is that the controler doesnt provide power to the devices so you need a hub or power injected cable or something the likes for devices without own power supply | 23:16 |
| bipolar | s-ndh-c: ahh... that would make it complicated... not to mention that the port is blocked by the stand | 23:16 |
| bipolar | maybe it would be better to make a edge2wifi router with a gumstix or something. | 23:17 |
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| bingo__ | is it possible to take a picture with the N800? | 23:27 |
| matt_c | bingo__: see https://garage.maemo.org/projects/malomo | 23:28 |
| bhima | So host mode on the N800 kills dyntick? | 23:28 |
| matt_c | there's also a document on maemo.org that has an example you can compile | 23:29 |
| matt_c | bingo__: oops, no binaries for malomo yet, you'll have to compile in scratchbox either way | 23:29 |
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| bingo__ | matt_c, it's not a problem thank you | 23:33 |
| matt_c | bingo__: I built PIL for the N800 but haven't quite figured out how to save a gstreamer buffer to an image yet. | 23:33 |
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| [mbm] | didn't think anyone had gotten host mode on the n800 | 23:36 |
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| com1 | ok, on my n800 | 23:59 |
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