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| MrY | is there a way to ping another machine if I have the X terminal installed? | 02:19 |
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| MrY | I am connected using a wireless connection to another computer running a webserver but I can't load it | 02:20 |
| MrY | load the page I mean | 02:20 |
| MrY | let me try with an easier question... | 02:28 |
| MrY | can I find out the ip address of my nokia 770 after it connected to a wifi network? | 02:28 |
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| MrY | :( | 02:31 |
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| rev | toot toot | 02:42 |
| rev | why the long face, chum? | 02:42 |
| Darknesss | nobody answering my question... | 02:42 |
| timeless | sorry, i'm paying attn elsewhere | 02:42 |
| timeless | what did you ask? | 02:42 |
| rev | what was it? i jsut walked in. | 02:43 |
| Darknesss | how can I find out which IP address my nokia gets when connected to an accesspoint or computer in ad-hoc mode | 02:43 |
| Darknesss | ? | 02:43 |
| timeless | um, doesn't utilities have something? | 02:43 |
| timeless | rather, tool\ | 02:43 |
| timeless | s | 02:44 |
| * timeless can never keep them straight | 02:44 | |
| Darknesss | I am not very experienced with wifi configurations in linux yet | 02:44 |
| timeless | there's a "connection manager" | 02:44 |
| Darknesss | yes | 02:44 |
| timeless | app menu>internet connection>ip address | 02:44 |
| Darknesss | thanks man | 02:45 |
| Darknesss | found it | 02:45 |
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| jtra | so I have successfully connected n770 to my usb cdma 1x evdo modem (soldered cable + power), set up ppp networking so that commandline tools indicate correct connection, but most of the applications (minimo is exception) ignore that and just prompt me to scan for wifi networks and refuse to work unless I connect via wifi - how can I swith this behaviour off? | 02:50 |
| rev | jtra: you can specify whether or not to try that in the network connection manager | 02:53 |
| rev | jtra: you can just turn it off, or pick only phone or only wifi or both | 02:53 |
| jtra | rev: which option do you mean? when I set "Connect without asking" to "None" it still does not work | 02:56 |
| jtra | http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/tmp/n770-evdo.jpg (a picture of n770 and the modem, just for curious) | 02:59 |
| rev | oh... hrmm. | 03:01 |
| rev | that's the option i meant, unfortunate | 03:01 |
| rev | ly | 03:01 |
| rev | neato, jtra! | 03:01 |
| * rev has an EV-DO/CDMA bluetooth phone, but can't get it to work with his 770 | 03:01 | |
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| timeless | wow, that's a hack | 03:04 |
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| jtra | this seems useful to solve the problem http://stefans.datenbruch.de/nokia770/ | 03:10 |
| rev | rad | 03:11 |
| jtra | http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2006-September/005519.html now this is the solution apparently | 03:22 |
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| jtra | ok, it is solved - now I'm writing from n770 connected just to evdo and audio player is playing from net source in the background, cool | 03:41 |
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| jtra | http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/tmp/n770-irc.png | 03:51 |
| jtra | next think to hack will be some kind of virtual keyboard since using screen with the built in one is rather painful | 03:53 |
| jtra | but now I'm gona sleep | 03:56 |
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| nelson | jtra: http://blog.russnelson.com/chordite | 07:37 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:57 |
| koen | hey Jaffa | 11:03 |
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| konttori | tigert: you areound? | 11:31 |
| konttori | around even | 11:31 |
| konttori | MDK you? | 11:31 |
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| jtra | nelson: cool :-) but I think that virtual keyboard will be enough for me | 11:34 |
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| roope | Morning. | 11:35 |
| konttori | morning | 11:35 |
| tigert | konttori: yes | 11:36 |
| tigert | and MDK is too, but not on irc now | 11:36 |
| konttori | cool. just checking that are the zip packages that we discussed last week available on the svn? | 11:36 |
| tigert | konttori: I committed the os2006 template to stage, but I need to ask mdk about the bundles stuff | 11:36 |
| tigert | lemme do that right now | 11:36 |
| konttori | cool | 11:36 |
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| konttori | How do you make the animated gifs? (the .ani) files? | 11:53 |
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| konttori | Or more like, have you already thought of how to implement them to the layout.txt? | 11:55 |
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| florian_kc | good morning | 11:56 |
| X-Fade | Hmm the default themes look weird on herring under the 'active programs' selector.. The image seems to repeat vertically. | 12:01 |
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| zoyd | hi | 12:48 |
| florian_kc | hi zoyd | 12:49 |
| timeless | could someone point me to instructions for doing a netinstall of ubuntu? :) | 13:07 |
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| tigert | timeless: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot | 13:09 |
| tigert | took 3 seconds of google btw :) | 13:09 |
| tigert | or do you mean "boot disk" way like on debian? | 13:09 |
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| timeless | as long as i can get the pieces in a .tar or equivalent so that i can use my own evil system it doesn't matter | 13:12 |
| timeless | trying to deal w/ squashfs is more than i can stomach | 13:12 |
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| tigert | of course setting up a pxeboot system is the easiest once you do it | 13:13 |
| tigert | but its overkill for one installation | 13:13 |
| timeless | i'm not using a real computer | 13:13 |
| tigert | we had that in ximian / novell | 13:13 |
| timeless | so pxeboot isn't going to help | 13:14 |
| tigert | ah okay | 13:14 |
| tigert | yea, it needs a bios that supports it | 13:14 |
| timeless | i just want he netboot archive for i guess edgy | 13:14 |
| timeless | oh, my bios supports it, i'm just not installing into real hardware | 13:14 |
| tigert | right | 13:15 |
| tigert | vmware? | 13:15 |
| timeless | "no" | 13:15 |
| tigert | or, "better not ask" :) | 13:15 |
| timeless | you could see if you like, but, "don't ask, don't tell" | 13:15 |
| timeless | um | 13:16 |
| timeless | i'm not sure that helps | 13:16 |
| tigert | hehehe :) | 13:16 |
| tigert | no worries | 13:16 |
| timeless | it gave me an image | 13:16 |
| timeless | initrd.gz | 13:16 |
| timeless | i don't speak that either | 13:16 |
| timeless | what ever happened to simple tarballs? :( | 13:16 |
| tigert | I did that once | 13:17 |
| tigert | on my black apple powerbook years ago | 13:17 |
| tigert | installed debian | 13:17 |
| tigert | when there was no boot cd | 13:17 |
| tigert | and the machine had no floppy of course | 13:17 |
| tigert | I had yellowdog there I think | 13:17 |
| timeless | hrm, initrd-util unpack | 13:17 |
| tigert | then I made a partition, untarred the base | 13:17 |
| tigert | tgz there | 13:17 |
| timeless | at least that's /vaguely/ promising | 13:17 |
| tigert | and booted | 13:17 |
| tigert | and it borked like hell | 13:18 |
| * timeless wonders if the debian here has that tool | 13:18 | |
| tigert | then I fixed everything one by one, trying to "be the installer program" :) | 13:18 |
| tigert | but everyone should do that once | 13:18 |
| timeless | i'm pretty sure i already did that the last time i installed a debian variant | 13:18 |
| timeless | i'm hoping not to have to emulate the bootloader | 13:18 |
| timeless | but it looks like i get to do that too | 13:18 |
| timeless | oh | 13:19 |
| timeless | initrd-util is just someone's evil shell script :) | 13:19 |
| timeless | hrm, it requires "mount" | 13:19 |
| timeless | that'd require root | 13:20 |
| suihkulokki | well duh | 13:20 |
| timeless | duh? | 13:20 |
| suihkulokki | initrd is filesystem | 13:20 |
| timeless | yeah well | 13:20 |
| timeless | i was hoping to avoid dealing w/ file systems | 13:20 |
| suihkulokki | initramfs | 13:20 |
| timeless | besides, that's not technically true | 13:20 |
| timeless | initrd is a file | 13:20 |
| timeless | that contains a file system in a well defined file format | 13:21 |
| timeless | no part of that strictly requires *mounting* it | 13:21 |
| suihkulokki | your splitting hair | 13:21 |
| timeless | it should be perfectly possible for an app to read the file system w/o using the kernel | 13:21 |
| timeless | since it's just a userland file | 13:21 |
| timeless | i'm only splitting a hair because i'm on the wrong side of a "don't got root" divider | 13:22 |
| * timeless ponders | 13:22 | |
| suihkulokki | no, you playing martyr :P | 13:22 |
| timeless | i don't suppose there's a catalog listing the standard contents of this initrd fs? | 13:23 |
| timeless | http://www.faqs.org/docs/evms/x3834.html is that what i want | 13:24 |
| suihkulokki | Your wasting your valuable time | 13:25 |
| suihkulokki | the initrd created manually is going to be incompatible with ubuntu anyway | 13:26 |
| timeless | i'm not trying to make one | 13:26 |
| timeless | i'm trying to get a list of files and ask someone to give me those files | 13:26 |
| timeless | or maybe i'll steal the files from an existing someone | 13:26 |
| timeless | it doesn't make much of a difference | 13:26 |
| suihkulokki | you would already have the files | 13:27 |
| timeless | why would i want to make a file i already have ad can't read? | 13:27 |
| timeless | yes, but i don't know which they are, and don't want to copy an entire linux system, just the basic piece and then use dpkg/apt/dselect/whichever to install the result | 13:27 |
| timeless | s/ult/t/ | 13:27 |
| timeless | s/piece/pieces/ | 13:28 |
| timeless | just like tigert did for his cute mac | 13:28 |
| suihkulokki | *shrug* | 13:29 |
| timeless | oh well | 13:29 |
| suihkulokki | I have no idea why you think you need to do that isntead of following the doc tigert pasted | 13:29 |
| timeless | the wink nudge and comments about not having a real computer are key | 13:29 |
| timeless | this isn't a real computer, and it doesn't really have networking | 13:30 |
| timeless | it's only a real computer after linux boots into its sealed world | 13:30 |
| timeless | unfortunately the install cds/netboots all start with something shrinkwrapped :( | 13:31 |
| suihkulokki | well, unpacking the initrd and/or copying similar files are not going to work, if you don't understand the process | 13:33 |
| timeless | the process is fairly simple, and it's documented | 13:34 |
| timeless | i've already followed it once for the debian derivative i have | 13:34 |
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| minra | servus _matthias | 15:50 |
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| minra | hows the fceu with hw scaling coming along? | 15:55 |
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| minra | my poor 770... ctorrent, xchat and 2 opera windows simultaneously seems a bit much for it | 16:16 |
| minra | gotta put links on here and port tirc or some other tiny chat client | 16:17 |
| keesj | minra must be visiting p0rn sites | 16:18 |
| keesj | I would also like a small irc chat client | 16:19 |
| minra | no. maybe disable javascript | 16:19 |
| minra | do you know tirc? console only, a bit unwieldy | 16:19 |
| keesj | but the more I think of it the more I think I would even prefer to run the chat client on my home router and connect with the n700 | 16:20 |
| minra | makes sense. ssh or vnc? | 16:21 |
| keesj | I did both , I prefer vnc , but perhps ssh and screen can to the trick | 16:22 |
| minra | which vnc server do you use? i think mine is "realvnc" and it doesnt connect | 16:26 |
| keesj | I haven't used in in a while | 16:27 |
| keesj | it was thightvnc | 16:28 |
| minra | well ill stfw for answers. | 16:28 |
| minra | ah | 16:28 |
| minra | im not yet as fast doing hardcore web searches on the 770 as on a pc | 16:29 |
| jtra | I use ssh+screen+silc and emacs erc | 16:30 |
| minra | but its less annoying than using microsoft | 16:30 |
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| nelson | jtra: yeah, but I hate to waste any screen pixels on a keyboard. | 16:36 |
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| Anidel | Hello to everyone | 16:38 |
| jtra | nelson: my plan is to make a virtual keyboard that would be possibly even semi-transparent and movable so it would not eat space for applications | 16:42 |
| nelson | yes, Familiar has something similar ... in that the handwriting recognizer runs full-screen. | 16:43 |
| jtra | but that is just a idea, I don't know how it would interact with the window manager; perhaps I will make something simplier | 16:43 |
| jtra | palm t3 has also full screen recognizer mode | 16:44 |
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| jtra | but my experiences with recognition are mostly bad, even on palm | 16:45 |
| jtra | so thats why I want virtual keyboard | 16:45 |
| minra | thinkpad stowaway bt kbd... great | 16:46 |
| minra | takes some getting used to | 16:46 |
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| minra | jtra you in cz? | 16:46 |
| jtra | I also use http://www.fitaly.com/fitalyvirtualt3/fitalyvirtualannounce.htm but I had to made different layout so it would be easy to enter Czech too | 16:47 |
| jtra | minra: yes | 16:47 |
| minra | i saw in a irc log that you just bought the 770 right after i did | 16:47 |
| jtra | mine arrived on monday last week | 16:48 |
| minra | isnt it great? :) | 16:50 |
| jtra | yes, it is, except for some details | 16:51 |
| Tak | minra: bad news | 16:52 |
| minra | ? | 16:52 |
| Tak | I don't think anything can really be done about the audio | 16:52 |
| Tak | short of in-depth optimization of fceu itself | 16:53 |
| Tak | the problem is, it's generating the audio frame-by-frame otf | 16:53 |
| Tak | it can't just hand a filename to gstreamer and offload onto the dsp | 16:54 |
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| minra | is there an internal buffer that can be increased? | 16:55 |
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| minra | i need help finding the links web browser. i cant find it with a google search | 16:57 |
| Tak | buffering doesn't help, because the emulation can't keep up | 16:57 |
| minra | oh i see. a genious with 4 months time would need to do dynamic recompilation then to offload the audio synth onto the 770 DSP :P | 16:58 |
| minra | well, lets hope the 870 is a worthy follower | 16:59 |
| minra | how is 2x scaling going? | 16:59 |
| Tak | the 2x scaling works fine | 17:01 |
| Tak | not necessarily a genius, but it would require time | 17:01 |
| Tak | even some optimization of the audio stuff would probably help substantially | 17:02 |
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| mgedmin | minra: I have links on my 770 | 17:02 |
| minra | does the 770 have a FPU? | 17:02 |
| minra | i cant find a link to links... :( | 17:03 |
| * mgedmin will run apt-cache policy soon | 17:03 | |
| minra | might be possible to do some optimization with lookuptables etc | 17:03 |
| Tak | for one thing, it's manually converting every frame from the source channels/depth/blah to the user-selected one in a very nonoptimal manner | 17:03 |
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| ssvb | Tak: gstreamer is able to play audio from a file, IMHO it was specifically designed for that, and some examples that come with it demonstrate this (but it is hard to use gstreamer for something else) | 17:03 |
| mgedmin | minra: it's in my repo (http://mg.pov.lt/770 mistral other), so I must have found it on the application catalog | 17:03 |
| mgedmin | as a .deb download only | 17:04 |
| minra | ty mgedmin | 17:04 |
| ssvb | minra: 770 does not have a hardware FPU, floating point is software emulated (and is very slow) | 17:04 |
| Tak | ssvb: I wrote a gstreamer output driver for fceu, but the problem is that it's just dumping pcm frames into it | 17:04 |
| Tak | it's not like I can derive some benefit from the dsp doing mp3->pcm conversion | 17:05 |
| minra | right | 17:05 |
| ssvb | Tak, dsp can play mp3 directly, but unfortunately can't convert it (and get pcm back to arm side) | 17:06 |
| Tak | I don't even have mp3 though | 17:06 |
| Tak | I have hand-generated pcm | 17:06 |
| Tak | which is the problem | 17:07 |
| Tak | because the bottleneck isn't in the playing, it's in the generation | 17:07 |
| minra | game emus dont play mp3s. they simulate fm synths at a low level, which eats cpu | 17:07 |
| ssvb | dsp used by mplayer for mp3 playback so that it does not consume arm core resources | 17:07 |
| Tak | imo scummvm is able to do it successfully because the overall emulation isn't as intensive as nes emulation | 17:08 |
| minra | right Tak, it is not hardware emulation but an API implementation | 17:08 |
| ssvb | anyway, maybe there is a hope for alsa on nokia 770 | 17:08 |
| minra | Tak, have you looked at dgen or snes9x? | 17:09 |
| Tak | I have not yet | 17:09 |
| minra | zsnes is not possible - it is full of x86 optimizations, but snes9x is all C, iirc | 17:09 |
| ssvb | nokia 770 badly needs some good audio api with low and predicatable latency | 17:10 |
| minra | jack? | 17:11 |
| Tak | doh! @ zsnes | 17:11 |
| Tak | ssvb: yes! | 17:11 |
| ssvb | looks like there is alsa support planned: http://maemo.org/platform/docs/multimedia/multimedia_architecture.html | 17:12 |
| minra | i have to get mmc boot working, buy another card, then get started porting... have to. | 17:12 |
| Tak | iirc there were rumors about direct alsa and oss support before the device's release | 17:12 |
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| Veggen | deelkar: That probably means you are counted as a pirate. If you don't buy the music, you have to pirate it. | 17:14 |
| minra | mgedmin: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/links_1.00pre16-1_armel.deb (--unpack): | 17:15 |
| minra | corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive | 17:16 |
| ssvb | Tak, I just searched for omap1710 & alsa: http://linux.omap.com/pipermail/linux-omap-open-source/2005-October/005454.html | 17:16 |
| Tak | so...if you build in tsc2101 you get alsa support? | 17:17 |
| nelson | minra: http://blog.russnelson.com/chordite/ | 17:17 |
| ssvb | Tak, I have no idea, but it would be great if getting alsa support is just a matter of configuring and compiling kernel | 17:18 |
| nelson | The 770 is so small and so portable that a two-handed keyboard doesn't make sense. | 17:18 |
| Tak | wouldn't it, though | 17:18 |
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| minra | cool nelson. there are a number of chording keyboards around. why is yours better? | 17:21 |
| mgedmin | minra: wow, interesting, let me check | 17:22 |
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| Tak | so what buttons can I put along the left side of the screen in fceu? save, load, ?, and ?? | 17:23 |
| nelson | minra: 1) bluetooth, 2) handheld, 3) compact. | 17:24 |
| minra | nelson would be great if it could be used with hand in pocket... for stealthy computing use | 17:24 |
| Tak | a chording keyboard that the 770 would slot into, with the keys on the back, would be perfect | 17:24 |
| nelson | minra: "if"? | 17:24 |
| nelson | (it already can) | 17:25 |
| mgedmin | minra: works for me | 17:26 |
| minra | ok i check | 17:26 |
| mgedmin | maybe your download got interrupted? | 17:26 |
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| minra | maybe i regetting | 17:28 |
| roope | chording is quite hard. :) | 17:28 |
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| nelson | roope: actually, it isn't hard. | 17:30 |
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| roope | well, hard as in comparison to non-chording. | 17:31 |
| minra | i would only want chording kbd if i had a pda with a display in a pair of sunglasses | 17:31 |
| ssvb | Tak, here is something interesting as well: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsp-alsa/ (development status 'stable', but no packages, only some sources in SVN), while you are interested in sound support, you might have a look at it and report results ;) | 17:32 |
| roope | I have a E61 for instance, and this keyboard is like ... 6 cm wide, which is quite enough. | 17:33 |
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| nelson | roope: nahhh, not at all. it's easier than touch-typing, because your fingers don't have to hunt. All you have to do is twitch the main muscle controlling the finger. | 17:40 |
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| minra | thanks for links mgedmin | 17:44 |
| mgedmin | I didn't package it | 17:45 |
| mgedmin | I just put it in a repository for easier installation | 17:45 |
| minra | makes me realize how much crap is on websites nowadays | 17:45 |
| minra | ah thx | 17:45 |
| minra | i linked my /var/cache/apt/archives to the rs-mmc card and filled it up by accident. my mistake | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | heh | 17:46 |
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| minra | what can i say. a PDA with a torrent client rules | 17:50 |
| minra | (i am downloading public domain stuff) | 17:51 |
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| roope | I like to be able to twitch my fingers without committing to type something. :) | 17:52 |
| nelson | oh, you can do that .... just don't press on the keys. They're really nice keys. Marquardt. | 17:53 |
| minra | nelson, do you have any leads on producing it? | 17:55 |
| nelson | working on it, but all help appreciated. | 18:00 |
| nelson | I have two leads in India. Also might have a lead in Taiwan; dunno. | 18:00 |
| minra | tough stuff... innovating, getting it produced, not getting your idea stolen... | 18:01 |
| nelson | Hehe. I'm not really worried about that. It's patented in the US, which is a huge part of the market. Anybody competing with me would have an intrinsically smaller market. | 18:04 |
| minra | how much did the patent cost you? | 18:04 |
| nelson | I'm licensing it from the inventor. | 18:04 |
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| kender | hello | 18:19 |
| pancake | io | 18:20 |
| kender | wop pancake | 18:20 |
| pancake | heh | 18:25 |
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| Anidel | hi guys.. might I ask if is there a way to tell apt-get install WHERE to install a package ? (I am new to the debian packages system) | 18:55 |
| pancake | nope | 18:56 |
| pancake | you can unpack the pkg manually | 18:56 |
| pancake | and put the files where you want | 18:56 |
| Tak | ssvb: thanks - I'll check it out when I get a chance | 18:56 |
| Anidel | I see.. thanks pancake ( I was thinking about an easy hack to let people install packages on the MMC rather than onto the flash memory) | 18:56 |
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| Tak | you could do a mount --bind | 18:57 |
| minra | Anidel, i did the following | 18:57 |
| Anidel | it would be nice if apt-get would accept at least a base directory | 18:57 |
| minra | mv /var/cache/apt/archives /media/mmc1 | 18:58 |
| minra | ln -s /media/mmc1/archives /var/cache/apt/archives | 18:58 |
| Anidel | minra: that's the cache with the list of the packages... | 18:58 |
| minra | then downloaded packages go to the rsmmc card, not to the internal flash | 18:59 |
| Tak | they still install to /usr on the flash in that case, however | 18:59 |
| Anidel | minra: I'd like to let people able to install the package FILES into the MMC (and, eventually) show them into the menus when the card is inserted (and remove them from the menu when the card is removed) | 18:59 |
| minra | anidel, the packages go into archives. not just the lists. | 18:59 |
| minra | at least with apt-get | 19:00 |
| minra | this is beginner debian stuff guys. | 19:00 |
| Anidel | minra: you mean the .deb or the unpacked (installed) one ? | 19:00 |
| minra | the .deb | 19:00 |
| minra | oh i might have misunderstood your question | 19:01 |
| Tak | minra: ...but when the .deb gets installed, everything gets dumped to /usr | 19:01 |
| Anidel | exactly.. that's not what I want | 19:01 |
| Anidel | :) | 19:01 |
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| minra | sorry. well what i will do soon is install the multiboot so my rootfs can be on the mmc card | 19:01 |
| Anidel | as I have a 2Gb with plenty of space for the apps, but I cannot install more apps onto my Nokia as the internal file system is getting full | 19:02 |
| Tak | an alternative to multiboot: you could cp -Ra /usr /media/mmc1 and add an fstab rule to mount-bind /usr to /media/mmc1/usr | 19:02 |
| sxpert-work | Anidel: isn't there a way to install apps somewhere else ? | 19:02 |
| sxpert-work | Anidel: hack with symbolic links or something :D | 19:02 |
| Tak | note: I am not doing this on my device; it may eat your kitten | 19:03 |
| Anidel | sxpert-work: nope as far as I know (unless you manually move them) | 19:03 |
| Anidel | I want a cleaner hack.. like the virtual memory one | 19:03 |
| Anidel | I install the MMC .. ok.. apps on the MMC are then available (and they show up in the menus) | 19:03 |
| sxpert-work | Anidel: the app installer would need a "install stuff on the mmc" option | 19:03 |
| Anidel | I remove the MMC them ok.. they are removed.. dinamically | 19:03 |
| Tak | that'll require some hacking | 19:04 |
| sxpert-work | Anidel: right | 19:04 |
| Anidel | exactly.. I was hoping apt-get would have that option.. looks like it does not | 19:04 |
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| sxpert-work | Anidel: could be a hack *over* apt-get | 19:04 |
| Anidel | so one needs to hack it for our tablet | 19:04 |
| Anidel | yep | 19:04 |
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| Anidel | ok gotta go now.. I'll think about it.. thanks guys | 19:05 |
| Anidel | see you tomorrow | 19:05 |
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| devesh | i think it might be cool to use unionfs | 19:14 |
| devesh | and configure it, so all modifications on / goes to mmc | 19:14 |
| Tak | that might be cool if there were two mmc slots | 19:15 |
| devesh | how does that matter | 19:15 |
| Tak | as it is, I have one mmc full of music, and one full of movies, and I want to be able to switch them without rebooting the device | 19:15 |
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| Tak | and I also don't want to have to keep them in sync as far as apps or whatever | 19:15 |
| devesh | yes, that is true , but then you can install all apps every modification goes to mmc, and you wont have to ever worry about taking backup | 19:16 |
| * Tak shrugs | 19:16 | |
| florian_kc | devesh: hi! | 19:16 |
| Tak | I don't ever worry anyway - it's just not part of my usage pattern | 19:16 |
| devesh | tak: you right, that is if you have big enough mmc , and you dotn have a use case like you do | 19:17 |
| devesh | hi florian | 19:17 |
| * Tak nods | 19:17 | |
| Tak | like, that would be great with the 870, which looks like it has a difficult-to-remove SD and an MMC | 19:18 |
| Tak | rootfs/unionfs on the SD, extra crap on the mmc | 19:18 |
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| devesh | i havnt experimented, but i would be happy if I can just not have to reinstall every app, due to a reflash | 19:19 |
| devesh | so for me unionfs on MMC is fine and looks like something i can live with | 19:20 |
| devesh | florian: what u busy with these days | 19:20 |
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| minra | bbs | 19:30 |
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| florian_kc | bbl | 20:47 |
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| tko | finally a solvable sudoku! http://www.gearlog.com/images/9111.gif :) | 20:54 |
| minra | me looks | 20:54 |
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| minra | hah... i can win! | 20:56 |
| mgedmin | oh my, too hard for me | 20:56 |
| X-Fade | Hehe, yeah that shouldn't be too hard ;) | 20:56 |
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| minra | "Written entirely in C, Snes9X is still surprisingly fast, running at full speed on a StrongARM, and providing a quality of game never before seen on the Acorn. " | 21:16 |
| Tak | on a (900 MHz) StrongArm... :-P | 21:19 |
| minra | ugh didnt know there were such fast ones | 21:19 |
| Tak | exaggerating | 21:20 |
| Tak | but still, I strongly doubt full speed on the 770 | 21:20 |
| minra | acorn strongarms were 203, 233 and 300mhz | 21:21 |
| minra | porter wrote that most games ran at almost full speed | 21:22 |
| minra | you are probably correct. but i have heard that snes wasnt much slower than nes to emulate | 21:22 |
| glass | some of the gfx stuff is probably the heavy bit | 21:24 |
| Tak | minra: I would be very happy if that turned out to be the case | 21:24 |
| Tak | however, the performance of vba doesn't make me too optimistic | 21:24 |
| glass | transparencies and that what was it called.. mode9?or something, the draw-one-textured-plane thing | 21:24 |
| Tak | although vba is c++ and not c | 21:25 |
| minra | kind of a bummer that the 770 is so close to powerful enough for this | 21:26 |
| Tak | eh, it'll still be worth doing, if only for strategy games and turn-based rpgs | 21:26 |
| minra | the snes rpgs are great | 21:27 |
| Tak | secret of mana would be nice, but I'm not holding my breath ;-) | 21:27 |
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| minra | yep. SoM. Tales of Phantasia, Chrono Trigger, Star Ocean | 21:28 |
| Tak | hmm, I thought phantasia was a genesis game | 21:28 |
| Tak | or was that phantasy star? | 21:29 |
| Tak | chrono trigger would be great even at lowish framerates | 21:31 |
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| minra | phantasy star was genesis | 21:34 |
| minra | tales of phantasia was one of the more lush snes rpgs | 21:34 |
| minra | quite an art form those japanese developed with the backgrounds | 21:35 |
| minra | they look so beautiful with 2xSAI / HQ2X scalers | 21:35 |
| Tak | yeah - 2xsai,eagle,hq2x are all out :-P | 21:37 |
| minra | do you multiboot to run a dev and production OS on your 770? | 21:40 |
| Tak | no, I'm just running the second it2006 release | 21:41 |
| Tak | nothing special | 21:41 |
| minra | ok i dunno if more than 7 hours on the 770 screen is good for my eyes | 21:48 |
| minra | wgetting the maemo dev docs | 21:48 |
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| roope | Yeah, the archos isn't really open. There are some additional software plug-ins there - for sale, 19.99e.PINE -I | 22:15 |
| roope | oops. :) | 22:15 |
| roope | caps lock and screen make for a poor combination. | 22:15 |
| Robot101 | http://robot101.net/files/tmp/Image030.jpg | 22:17 |
| Robot101 | OLPC video call :) | 22:17 |
| roope | that olpc green design is Da Bomb. | 22:18 |
| X-Fade | Sweet ;) | 22:18 |
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