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| myren | $250 | 01:36 |
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| myren | man i'm tempted to get a 770 | 01:36 |
| myren | compusa in store picup | 01:36 |
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| * rev loves his 770 | 01:50 | |
| * tigert uses his 770 a lot | 01:51 | |
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| * rev does too | 01:58 | |
| rev | it's especially great for programming in smalltalk, reading ebooks, reading PDFs and browsing the web | 01:59 |
| rev | best handheld PDF reader I've ever used | 01:59 |
| rev | i'm actually reading all my radical newspapers in PDF now and not waiting for them to come in the mail! | 01:59 |
| glass | whats the best .txt viewer app? | 02:03 |
| glass | for book like material | 02:03 |
| myren | i'm just scared the next iteration is going to show up in a month or something | 02:29 |
| myren | having gps would be mad useful to me | 02:29 |
| myren | and who knows what else will be in there | 02:29 |
| myren | but damn do i want a nice mobile platform to program for | 02:31 |
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| shapr | myren: I'm going to give my 770 to my girlfriend and buy the new one for myself :-) | 02:45 |
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| myren | :) | 02:46 |
| rev | glass: use FBReader | 02:47 |
| myren | florian: whats #oe? opportunistic encryption? | 02:47 |
| rev | glass: at least, it's the only ebook reader for the 770 that i know... but i like it. itdoesn't have all the features i wish it did that i have on the ebook reader i use on WinCE (?Book) but it is good | 02:47 |
| florian | myren: OpenEmbedded | 02:48 |
| glass | okays | 02:48 |
| myren | coolies, thanks. | 02:48 |
| glass | i've read tons of books from series60 phone screens, 770 can't be worse :) | 02:48 |
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| Merculis | hello all | 03:42 |
| Merculis | :-) | 03:42 |
| Merculis | is there a tutorial on basic 770 usage? for example, installing applications or the use of the application manager in OS 2006 (2.0)? | 03:43 |
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| Merculis | also, is SSH installed by default, or must it be added? | 03:44 |
| adoyle | Merculis - you may want to start here: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006 | 03:53 |
| adoyle | ssh must be added. it's on that page. You will need Osso Xterm first. | 03:53 |
| adoyle | see http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoXterm for a slightly different view of loading stuff | 03:54 |
| Merculis | I looked at that and was interested in installing gaim. I am actually trying to help my friend out and I don't have a 770. Anytime he goes to install an application via .deb file, it is saying that it is not compatible with the OS. | 03:54 |
| adoyle | I'm no expert on that, by far. I have flashed the latest (ca. November) version of the OS. Most things seem to work then. | 03:55 |
| adoyle | He can find that here - http://www.maemo.org/downloads/nokia_770.php | 03:56 |
| Merculis | I saw that in the application manager, you needed to add URLs to the list of repositories that it searches for new 3rd party apps. | 03:56 |
| Merculis | sort of like apt or yum | 03:57 |
| adoyle | Yes, you can do that. It's in the menu of the application manager | 03:57 |
| adoyle | If you have xterm, etc., you can become root and do the debian installs via apt and dpkg | 03:57 |
| Merculis | ahh | 03:57 |
| Merculis | well | 03:57 |
| adoyle | It depends on how much of a Linux geek your friend is | 03:57 |
| Merculis | what I am trying to do is have him install ssh so that I can vnc into his computer and then do everything via ssh on his pc | 03:58 |
| Merculis | I will prolly put the maemo in dmz and then ssh from my house | 03:58 |
| Merculis | :-P | 03:58 |
| adoyle | whoo. It's doable. But a bit of a tall order to talk someone through | 03:58 |
| Merculis | yeah | 03:58 |
| Merculis | hence why I am trying to start with getting gaim or ssh installed | 03:59 |
| adoyle | Might be faster to get your hands on it and get it set up | 03:59 |
| Merculis | I am in DC he is in Miami | 03:59 |
| Merculis | :-P | 03:59 |
| Merculis | hehe | 03:59 |
| adoyle | UPS... might be cheaper than the aggravation! | 03:59 |
| adoyle | gotta run, good luck! | 04:00 |
| Merculis | thanks | 04:00 |
| Merculis | "1) Click on the title bar of the application manager, then tools, the application catalog and then key in each url" | 04:01 |
| Merculis | anyone have a screenshot of that screen? | 04:02 |
| Merculis | so I can walk my idiot friend through it? | 04:02 |
| Merculis | or at least be able to tell me...field by field how to input a line in this format? | 04:03 |
| Merculis | deb http://repository.maemo.org/contrib mistral free non-free | 04:03 |
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| adoyle | I'm back for a bit... it's pretty clear where they go once you're in. You hit "new" and the fields are pre-populated. http://, mistral, main. Just substitute the new ones | 04:11 |
| adoyle | click ok, and it refreshes the package list | 04:11 |
| adoyle | If you screwed up, it hits an error. You can go back in and edit the entry. | 04:13 |
| Merculis | ahhh | 04:14 |
| Merculis | k | 04:14 |
| adoyle | Also, if you just browse to a .deb with the browser and click it, it will offer to install it or save it. | 04:19 |
| adoyle | For simple things, that's easier. For xterm, the application catalog way is easier because it pulls in a bunch of other stuff | 04:20 |
| adoyle | Once xterm is in, the dropbear .deb on this page - http://www.komputika.net/maemo/ will be easier to install than ssh, I think. ssh is a little more robust but I think it took more work to get it installed | 04:21 |
| Merculis | what if it says that an application is incompatible from the urls | 04:21 |
| adoyle | That's where I'm not sure. I think it's key to have the latest OS. Even new 770's don't have the November update | 04:22 |
| Merculis | "Unable to install. Package is incompatable with current software." | 04:22 |
| adoyle | yes, I've seen that. Either the OS is too old, or the package is too old. | 04:28 |
| Merculis | hmm | 04:29 |
| adoyle | The 770 is a great system for hacking on but it sure helps to have it in your possession | 04:30 |
| Merculis | obviously | 04:31 |
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| Merculis | so to start dropbear.... | 05:04 |
| Merculis | is /etc/init.d/dropbear start ? | 05:04 |
| adoyle | It seems to start automatically when you open an xterm | 05:04 |
| adoyle | or just run 'dropbear' as root | 05:04 |
| Merculis | gotcha | 05:05 |
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| qgil | ping | 10:24 |
| qgil | now | 10:24 |
| qgil | hi, urgent call from a next OSSO team member | 10:24 |
| qgil | do you have any opinion about this area in Helsinki: | 10:25 |
| qgil | http://maps.google.com/?q=Helsinki,+Finland&ie=UTF8&z=17&ll=60.221902,24.841837&spn=0.002552,0.01354&t=h&om=1 | 10:25 |
| qgil | we have found a house to rent and it looks good | 10:25 |
| qgil | I only want to know a bit about impressions of the area - if locals think that phantoms wonder at night because there was an ancient cemetery, those kinds of things :) | 10:26 |
| suihkulokki | that's good (and expensive) area | 10:26 |
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| qgil | thanks suihkulokki, the price of the rent/m2 is not bad compared to other houses visited around Espoo etc | 10:32 |
| qgil | i have also asked at http://www.finlandforum.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=171614 | 10:33 |
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| Fatal | that map is broken | 10:36 |
| Fatal | it's not coverd in snow and i can't see any polarbears | 10:36 |
| sxpert | Fatal, rotfl | 10:40 |
| sxpert | how about this one ? http://labs.metacarta.com/osm/?lat=8937068.34442&lon=2817187.09395&zoom=4&layers=B00 | 10:40 |
| qgil | thanks Fatal, your help is indeed appreciated :) | 10:44 |
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| bergie | qgil: not so bad, a bit of suburbia | 10:55 |
| Anidel | good "GMT+1"-morning to everyone! | 10:55 |
| bergie | qgil: about 15 minutes to center of Helsinki via train | 10:55 |
| qgil | thnaks bergie, we are 4 people and this is why we need something a bit bigger (also my wife woirks from home) - this is why we need to choose between a bit of helsinki suburbia or go more far to Espoo etc | 10:57 |
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| bergie | qgil: this is definitely more convenient than Espoo because of the train... public transportation in Espoo sucks | 10:57 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:58 |
| bergie | qgil: though you would have a shorter commute to Ruoholahti from south Espoo | 10:58 |
| qgil | np, if this saves time to wife + 2 kids going to the center that's ok | 11:00 |
| suihkulokki | qgil: it's 15min to center, but osso is in ruoholahti. also mäkkylä train station is in espoo billing area so the train ticket price is same as from anywhere in espoo | 11:01 |
| qgil | i can deal with those extra 10 minutes - and I very much prefer wife happier because it's near the center :) | 11:02 |
| qgil | she's a city woman, you know | 11:02 |
| suihkulokki | otoh you can save money and get some excersize and take a bike to ruoholahti | 11:03 |
| roope | Mäkkylä is a nice place. | 11:14 |
| roope | There are nice parks around there. | 11:14 |
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| Anidel | guys, yesterday I was looking for a place where to hack to let the Nokia 770 install apps on the MMC rather than the internal flash memory. By asking the user where to install the app. | 11:20 |
| Anidel | looking around I have found this link that might help with this matter: | 11:20 |
| Anidel | http://hczim.de/software/mmc-unionfs.html | 11:20 |
| Anidel | anyone tried/knows this method ? | 11:20 |
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| Jaffa | Anidel: I used it on 2005 OS, but there are apparently problems for 2006 OS and hcz's only released a few limited beta copies. | 11:33 |
| * Jaffa has ended up using a bind mount over the top of /home/user | 11:33 | |
| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:33 |
| tigert | morning | 11:45 |
| tigert | qgil: howdy | 11:46 |
| sxpert-work | tigert: morning | 11:46 |
| sxpert-work | tigert: you know anything about sqlite3 ? | 11:47 |
| tigert | not much? | 11:47 |
| qgil | hi tigert, welllanded back home and entering the Move Phase :) | 11:59 |
| tigert | :) | 12:00 |
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| Anidel | Jaffa: yep I was reading about that, right now.. I'll take a better look at it and see if I can make it work somehow on the OS 2006 -2 | 12:10 |
| Anidel | Jaffa: what's a "bind" mount ? | 12:10 |
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| Anidel | jaffa: just read the man.. well it's not the same thing... | 12:12 |
| veli | Anidel: 'man mount' and search 'bind' | 12:15 |
| Anidel | veli: just did it | 12:17 |
| Anidel | veli: see my last message... and that is not really what I am aimed at... | 12:17 |
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| florian_kc | hi all | 12:49 |
| keesj | hi | 13:14 |
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| keesj | hmm my first spam on cosy@xxxx.dds.nl | 15:09 |
| keesj | and maemoruby@xxxx.dds.nl bots are on the wiki L( | 15:09 |
| keesj | and it's about cheap nokia's | 15:14 |
| jtra | keesj: now you can expect a lot of spam since the address will be available to email harvesters in channel logs on web | 15:18 |
| keesj | xxx must be replaced with something else | 15:19 |
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| jtra | ah, ok then, I just checked that xxxx.dds.nl has MX record but it apparently resolves for whole *.dds.nl | 15:24 |
| keesj | yes you get your domain username.dds.nl and you can have whatever you like before the at sign | 15:25 |
| keesj | that's why I know where the spam comes from | 15:25 |
| keesj | so I hope there is no user named xxxx :) | 15:26 |
| Tak | I hope there is! take that! | 15:26 |
| keesj | :) | 15:32 |
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| timeless | ping | 16:36 |
| Merculis | pong | 16:36 |
| timeless | how do i find a list of the 100 most recently added projects | 16:36 |
| Merculis | meditate | 16:37 |
| timeless | (Garage) | 16:37 |
| Tak | hah | 16:37 |
| X-Fade | garage Statistics | 16:37 |
| X-Fade | Hosted Projects: 106 | 16:37 |
| X-Fade | All of them :) | 16:37 |
| X-Fade | Well minus 6.. | 16:38 |
| timeless | i only have 93 of them | 16:38 |
| Tak | minus the six with the top downloads ;-) | 16:38 |
| timeless | i'm missing some of the last 25 | 16:38 |
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| timeless | ok | 16:45 |
| timeless | how do i get a list of all 106 | 16:45 |
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| minra | remoo | 16:46 |
| minra | the maemo docs look great. the i386 dev environment also | 16:46 |
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| minra | should i start with mistral or sirocco? | 16:47 |
| Tak | on the device? or as far as scratchbox? | 16:48 |
| minra | well i would upgrade the device | 16:48 |
| * timeless pokes tak | 16:48 | |
| minra | just kind of scared to ruin my working config | 16:48 |
| * Tak jumps | 16:48 | |
| * Tak shrugs | 16:49 | |
| minra | so i think i better get the mmc booting working so i can keep the rootfs on the flash | 16:49 |
| minra | yeah i know... hey i bet that fceu sound can be worked out | 16:49 |
| minra | regardless of frameskip i hear blips when the screen updates | 16:49 |
| minra | btw i also hear blips when the nokia sound plays when i shutdown | 16:49 |
| Tak | yeah, the sound plays great when you stop updating the screen ;-) | 16:50 |
| minra | are you in contact with the fceu devs? | 16:50 |
| Tak | well | 16:50 |
| Tak | the problem is that there really are no fceu devs currently | 16:50 |
| minra | maybe they could provide pointers | 16:50 |
| minra | ah | 16:50 |
| Tak | except all the different maintainers of all the different forks like this one | 16:50 |
| Tak | timeless: did you want something, btw? | 16:51 |
| timeless | yes | 16:51 |
| timeless | a list of all the projects i missed that have sources in garage | 16:51 |
| minra | ah. is the audio engine sourced from someone else? often there is an unrelated author to the project who provided the dsp/fm code | 16:51 |
| timeless | http://swift/world-all/source/garage | 16:51 |
| Tak | I have no idea how to get a list of all the garage projects | 16:52 |
| minra | is there a particular UMTS bluetooth cellphone to recommend for the 770? i cant keep using this bar for internet... they are getting sick of me | 16:54 |
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| Anidel | hallo | 16:54 |
| minra | huhu | 16:54 |
| Tak | "The 'RecipeViewer' application facilitates the process of transferring photos from your cameraphone to your Nokia 770..." | 16:54 |
| Tak | worst name ever | 16:54 |
| Anidel | :) | 16:55 |
| Tak | unless 'recipe' means photo in some language | 16:55 |
| Anidel | not in italian | 16:55 |
| jtra | minra: heh, I solved the internet access with this: http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/tmp/n770-evdo.jpg so I have up to 700Kbits dl, almost everywhere in my country | 16:56 |
| minra | TY i check... | 16:57 |
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| Anidel | that hack to the USB jack is to bring 5v back to the Nokia right ? | 16:59 |
| minra | Wow wat is the blue device... | 16:59 |
| minra | Hmm the only celular flatrates i find in germany are umts the anydata modems are cdma | 17:03 |
| Anidel | yep EVDO is a CDMA technology | 17:04 |
| Anidel | in Europe there's no such a thing.. but there is HSCPDA or something similar :D | 17:04 |
| jtra | Anidel: yes | 17:04 |
| Anidel | HSDPA | 17:04 |
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| Anidel | that's an UMTS (WCDMA) enhancement ... | 17:05 |
| jtra | Anidel: I'm in europe, yet CDMA is here | 17:05 |
| minra | You wrote a kernel module for that¿ | 17:05 |
| Anidel | in Italy it can go up to 3.6Mbit (with TIM) or 1.8Mbit (TIM and Three at least are offering it) | 17:06 |
| Anidel | CDMA in europe ? | 17:06 |
| sxpert-work | no, HDSPA | 17:07 |
| koen | umts and wcdma are like ethernet and csma/cd | 17:07 |
| Anidel | yes | 17:07 |
| jtra | Anidel: but for data only, for voice there is GSM (900MHz, 1.8GHz) and UMTS (in cities only) | 17:07 |
| minra | I see you wrote a kernel patch nice | 17:07 |
| sxpert-work | EVDO is like "only works for verizon" | 17:08 |
| Anidel | jtra: no.. UMTS is for voice and data | 17:08 |
| sxpert-work | Anidel: UMTS is a flop | 17:08 |
| Veggen | because of the pricing? Priced reasonable, I guess people would seriously consider it? | 17:09 |
| sxpert-work | way too expensive for what it does | 17:09 |
| jtra | well, I wrote patch, but it is not necessary, just simple usbserial or pl2303 driver with right USB IDs will work | 17:09 |
| Anidel | well I'm using Three here in Italy .. and let me state it, i am quite happy now.. 9? a month and I got 50Mb a day.. for the nokia is enough | 17:09 |
| suihkulokki | sxpert-work: price depends on your locale... | 17:09 |
| sxpert-work | Veggen: like, orange fr has a 70 € a month contract on which they block ssh... wth | 17:10 |
| jtra | Anidel: yes it is, but what I wanted to say is that CDMA is used here only for data | 17:10 |
| sxpert-work | I have much more luck finding open wifi spots :D | 17:11 |
| sxpert-work | or cracking closed ones :D | 17:11 |
| jtra | we have also GPRS and GRPS with EDGE available, but latency si very high 1 second and multiplies of that if packet gets lost; a nd that suck when you want to use remote terminal | 17:12 |
| minra | Here aps are limited to 100mw so range sux | 17:12 |
| Anidel | jtra: here in the US ? | 17:12 |
| sxpert-work | minra: just get a better antenna on your side :D | 17:12 |
| jtra | here in the Czech Repubulic (Europe) | 17:12 |
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| Anidel | well, again.. with Three I have a prepaid card for calling ( I get credit for every incoming SMS I get :) ) and for connecting (9? a month/50Mb a day) and there's no limitation | 17:13 |
| Anidel | and it's quite fast | 17:13 |
| minra | ver nice deal anidel | 17:13 |
| Anidel | yeah I am lucky indeed | 17:13 |
| Anidel | it was 9? for 5Mb a day.. they changed it since Dec 1st | 17:14 |
| Anidel | 50Mb a day it's a lot.. as I have connection at univ every day and DSL at my parent's house and unlimited plan (GPRS) at home.. so .. on the move 50Mb is really enough | 17:14 |
| Veggen | believe it or not, but I look forward to porn on the cell phone being popular. It tends to drive bandwidth ;-) | 17:15 |
| Anidel | veggen: sadly but that's true | 17:15 |
| sxpert-work | Veggen: heh. | 17:16 |
| inz | Should make "free" cell phone porn services and invest in telcos with good gprs/whatever services | 17:16 |
| Anidel | so :) now that Three made me this gift, I can say that I am very happy with it.. it has proven useful in many situation (on the move)... | 17:17 |
| Anidel | it = being the nokia 770 | 17:18 |
| Veggen | Anidel: going by train to Italy from Antibes (close to Nice), it did once help me find a train connection that the guy I was trying to book my ticket from didn't believe in. "No. It doesn't exist". Sure it does - look here, Italian train service on the web confirms it, and a local train from here will bring me to the border well in time" | 17:20 |
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| Veggen | I also used maemo mapper a lot, even without GPS it's very useful. (I had a gps, but only having instant access to city maps from google is useful) | 17:22 |
| konttori | tigert: I've now built a theme maker with support for the Nokia theme images / layout files | 17:25 |
| Anidel | veggen :() | 17:25 |
| Anidel | :) | 17:25 |
| tigert | !!! | 17:25 |
| tigert | konttori: awesome! | 17:25 |
| konttori | yeah. Wasn't quite as simple as I hoped. | 17:25 |
| tigert | konttori: okay | 17:25 |
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| tigert | did you reach michael for the gtkrc bundle thing? | 17:25 |
| konttori | My source file was so small that I afforded creating additional buffered versions of the full image every now and then based. Your 8000x image was so big that java ran out of heap too easily. Well, now it's faster and doesn't consume that much mem | 17:26 |
| konttori | nope | 17:26 |
| X-Fade | konttori: Did you try to package tigert's theme? | 17:26 |
| sxpert-work | Veggen: hahaha | 17:26 |
| konttori | Yeah | 17:26 |
| sxpert-work | nice one :D | 17:26 |
| konttori | Well, I don't have 770, so no go for testing that one out though | 17:26 |
| konttori | should work though | 17:26 |
| X-Fade | Can you put it up somewhere? I can test it for you. | 17:27 |
| konttori | hmm... ok. with tigerts permission that is | 17:27 |
| tigert | konttori: we need to get those to you too. so did you end up trying to mesh the gtkrc's together? | 17:27 |
| tigert | since we need to make them ready for you | 17:28 |
| tigert | so you don't need to | 17:28 |
| tigert | or what was the hard part? | 17:28 |
| konttori | hmm... I didn't try that one yet. I just read the layout file and at the moment only cut the images based on that. I'll make it to get the colors | 17:28 |
| konttori | the hard part was getting around javas mem limitation | 17:28 |
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| konttori | I think it has like 64 megs of heap by default or something like that. | 17:29 |
| tigert | ah right | 17:29 |
| tigert | since the template is rather.. um.. big | 17:29 |
| konttori | yeah | 17:29 |
| tigert | :) | 17:29 |
| tigert | Maemo de Hutt | 17:30 |
| konttori | So, it takes like 25 Megs all by itself | 17:30 |
| tigert | yeah | 17:30 |
| tigert | it is big | 17:30 |
| konttori | ANd it needs to be also in a bufferedimage format (both must exist at the same time for a short while). | 17:30 |
| konttori | thus 50 megs mem consumption for a while | 17:31 |
| tigert | we also want to try if the theme tools could run in the device itself | 17:31 |
| tigert | that'd be kinda neat | 17:31 |
| tigert | but slow too :) | 17:31 |
| konttori | tigert: Neat... yeah, but doesn't make sense really | 17:31 |
| tigert | well, it kinda does | 17:31 |
| tigert | but yea | 17:31 |
| tigert | not :) | 17:31 |
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| konttori | http://www.helsinki.fi/~konttori/MediaConverter/Plankton.deb | 17:33 |
| konttori | No idea if it works or not. | 17:33 |
| konttori | And colors and fonts are not official | 17:33 |
| konttori | but hey, try it out and see it it works at all | 17:34 |
| tigert | lemme try | 17:34 |
| tigert | booting the other 770, the poor thing was out of battery | 17:35 |
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| sxpert-work | tigert: the next one needs a larger battery :D | 17:35 |
| tigert | no battery lasts 2 weeks in backback | 17:35 |
| tigert | :) | 17:35 |
| tigert | konttori: so did you do -3 or -2? | 17:36 |
| konttori | -3 | 17:36 |
| konttori | ... I think | 17:36 |
| tigert | -3 is sardine-layout so it is a bit broken on the 770 | 17:36 |
| tigert | but it should still mostly work | 17:36 |
| konttori | Ahh | 17:36 |
| konttori | But I only used the image crop file | 17:36 |
| tigert | but the statusbar (top bar) is a bit different size in sardine | 17:36 |
| konttori | so, it doesn't use that gtkrc | 17:36 |
| tigert | and also the control panel is styled differently, | 17:36 |
| konttori | ahh... damn | 17:36 |
| tigert | but the problem of course is, | 17:37 |
| tigert | I havent done a -2 theme yet | 17:37 |
| tigert | but I will try to push this done soon | 17:37 |
| X-Fade | Well, it kind of works ;) | 17:37 |
| tigert | X-Fade: cool | 17:37 |
| tigert | X-Fade: controlpanel will look crazy | 17:37 |
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| tigert | and there's going to be 2 slices of missing images on the left panel | 17:37 |
| tigert | but otherwise it should be quite working | 17:37 |
| X-Fade | I'll try it out on my herring too. | 17:37 |
| tigert | konttori: so does the app now let you choose a layout.txt and a template? | 17:38 |
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| tigert | X-Fade: it should wrok on herring | 17:38 |
| tigert | let me know how it goes | 17:38 |
| tigert | actually | 17:38 |
| tigert | herring should have it even | 17:38 |
| tigert | since I think MDK added it there | 17:38 |
| tigert | but basically, get the -2 template and start sketching | 17:38 |
| tigert | the thing works perfectly in scratchbox now already | 17:38 |
| tigert | and the thememaker is complementing that wonderfully | 17:39 |
| Guardian | re, how to setup sbrsh with herring ? should i follow scratchbox.org's doc ? | 17:39 |
| X-Fade | Booting herring now. Will try it there. | 17:39 |
| tigert | Guardian: unfortunately I have no idea | 17:39 |
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| konttori | http://www.helsinki.fi/~konttori/MediaConverter/ThemeMakerBETA.zip | 17:40 |
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| konttori | You can just copy -2 layout file in place of the current one | 17:41 |
| X-Fade | tigert: Ah, nice alpja shading in the menu over the desktop :) | 17:41 |
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| X-Fade | *alpha | 17:41 |
| Jaffa | konttori: java -Xmx128m would be handy | 17:41 |
| X-Fade | The 'active programs' button is still weird looking. | 17:42 |
| X-Fade | The image repeats in the vertical direction. | 17:42 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: take a screenshot of plankton? | 17:42 |
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| tigert | X-Fade: yea | 17:42 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: herring doesn't let me install taskbar plugins.. | 17:43 |
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| X-Fade | It keeps restoring the taskbar on each boot.. | 17:43 |
| tigert | try maemo-screenshot-tool? | 17:43 |
| X-Fade | Already filed a bug on that. But no reaction yet. | 17:43 |
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| tigert | wasnt there this commandline thingy? | 17:43 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, I will try via ssh.. | 17:44 |
| inz | Has osso-screenshot-tool been renamed? | 17:44 |
| X-Fade | Hmm the sidebar isn't replaced with this Plankton.deb | 17:44 |
| tigert | X-Fade: try rebooting? | 17:45 |
| tigert | sometimes it doesnt quite seem to switch everything | 17:45 |
| tigert | inz: no | 17:45 |
| tigert | inz: just my bad memory | 17:45 |
| inz | oki =) | 17:45 |
| X-Fade | tigert: I already did.. | 17:45 |
| tigert | X-Fade: ok. weird. | 17:45 |
| tigert | damn | 17:46 |
| tigert | I wish there was more time | 17:46 |
| tigert | I want to finish this theme | 17:46 |
| X-Fade | Hmm why does the shade of the taskbar drop left and right? What kind of light is that ;) | 17:46 |
| tigert | and it doesnt help that I keep changing the style :) | 17:46 |
| X-Fade | ehm shadow :) | 17:46 |
| tigert | what do you mean? it could be that thememaker has a bug! :) | 17:46 |
| tigert | its "light from above" light I guess | 17:47 |
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| X-Fade | http://breet.com/maemo/Plankton-desktop.png | 17:51 |
| X-Fade | See my messed up desktop :) | 17:51 |
| X-Fade | Just a little bit of Plankton, but a lot of the original theme.. | 17:52 |
| konttori | jaffa: yeah, but better to get the soft to run on defaults so that I don't have to tell everybody to increase heap. | 17:53 |
| Anidel | very nice indeed | 17:53 |
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| konttori | I think the cut locations or the gtk rc are not 100% compatible with each other | 17:54 |
| konttori | I'm off to get some pizza. maybe talk about this later today or maybe tomorrow | 17:55 |
| X-Fade | konttori: Thanks anyway :) | 17:55 |
| Anidel | enojoy the pizza | 17:55 |
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| tigert | konttori: I try to kick mdk to do the bundles stuff | 17:59 |
| tigert | konttori: and myself to actually finish this theme for the -2 layout | 17:59 |
| tigert | so we can have something that works completely | 17:59 |
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| X-Fade | tigert: but I do like the theme! (When looking at the template) :) | 18:00 |
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| konttori | so, should -2 have proper working layout? (in the cut file)? | 18:27 |
| konttori | Should I move to -2 for gtkrc as well? | 18:28 |
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| konttori | tigert: Yeah, I really need to have a compilation gtkrc if it's possible / if such exists. | 19:05 |
| jtra | can I do something about this: battery runs very low so I switched n770 off, put on the cover and put it into the bag; while putting in the bag I inadvertently pressed the power button - the n770 booted in the bag with the cover on (which was evident from boot-up melody) | 19:06 |
| jtra | I would like to prevent booting when cover is put on | 19:06 |
| Tak | wow - I thought the buttons were unresponsive when the cover was on | 19:07 |
| minra | sounds like a hardwre - firmwa1re prob | 19:07 |
| jtra | I thought it too | 19:09 |
| Jaffa | I think not if R&D mode is enabled. | 19:09 |
| roope | it cannot detect which way the cover is on. | 19:09 |
| roope | you do want to boot if the cover is like ... the other way round on. | 19:09 |
| jtra | I have R&D enabled | 19:10 |
| Jaffa | roope: of course it can: otherwise the screen would go off when the cover was slotted on the back! | 19:10 |
| jtra | and version is 2.2006.39-14 | 19:10 |
| roope | Oh, yeah, you're right. | 19:10 |
| roope | But it ... it's off then. :) | 19:10 |
| roope | It cannot know not to turn itself on if it's off. :) | 19:10 |
| roope | The power button is probably really really stupid. | 19:11 |
| jtra | the screen just get lit for a second and then it is off again while n770 is booting - so it can be detected | 19:11 |
| inz | jtra, having R&D off requires the power key to be held down, so that'd at least make accidental powerup less probable | 19:11 |
| roope | wouldn't it need to be partly on in order to have some logic to know not to turn itself on? | 19:12 |
| roope | (which makes no sense, i know) | 19:12 |
| Tak | roope: that's a good point | 19:12 |
| inz | roope, same kind of logic as what it takes to require the power key to be held down | 19:12 |
| Tak | like those annoying dvd players that have an LED on when they're turned off | 19:12 |
| jtra | roope: but it could switch off quickly then | 19:13 |
| Tak | the cover-on thing is at least partially mechanical, though | 19:13 |
| roope | It could certainly. | 19:13 |
| roope | And it's... afaik there are various states of deep sleep. even off isn't really off. | 19:13 |
| roope | With the alarms and all that... | 19:14 |
| Tak | btw, is there any kind of "hibernate" mode? where it dumps the system state to mmc and powers off? | 19:14 |
| roope | but i'm not a technical person, so better me to be silent about this. :) | 19:14 |
| minra | 770 detects difference between front and back slotting | 19:15 |
| sxpert | minra, hmm ? | 19:16 |
| sxpert | there's a magnet in the cover, and a hall effect sensor next to the hardware keys... | 19:16 |
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| rev | i was wondering hw it did that! | 19:18 |
| rev | at the same time, i wish hitting the power button just turned it off lik that too | 19:18 |
| rev | esp because i like to leave it open when i go to bed, so the alarm is loudest | 19:18 |
| rev | so i just have to let it time out | 19:18 |
| rev | not that those 5 minutes of power is some huge drain | 19:18 |
| rev | and as someone who has had like 16 different PDAs before the 770, it was decidedly confusing UI | 19:19 |
| Tak | an option in the menu that pops up when you hit the power button would be nice | 19:19 |
| rev | yeah | 19:19 |
| rev | i'd rather have it where hitting the power stud turned it off | 19:19 |
| rev | but holding it down brought up the options | 19:19 |
| rev | turned it off = hibernate | 19:19 |
| Tak | it's in a place where it gets hit accidentally, though | 19:20 |
| rev | when i first got it i did a lot of experimenting to determine when it's off, when the screen is just blanked, etc | 19:20 |
| Tak | I hit mine by accident all th etime | 19:20 |
| rev | yeah, but big deal | 19:20 |
| rev | i mean | 19:20 |
| rev | who care if you bump it and it hibernates | 19:20 |
| Tak | I do, it'd be a huge pita | 19:20 |
| rev | you just turn it back on... like every other PDA which has done fine with that model. | 19:20 |
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| Tak | not so much if it's in my pocket or whatever, but if I'm using it | 19:20 |
| rev | the sliding case doesn't bug me now that i know the parameters of it | 19:20 |
| rev | but i still wish i could just turn it off when i'm going to bed | 19:21 |
| inz | rev, you can turn the device off, alarm will sound anyway | 19:21 |
| rev | instead of having it shine onto the ceiling for 5 minutes with my wife saying "turn that off!" while is stall and then it does. heh. | 19:21 |
| rev | inz: really? | 19:21 |
| inz | rev, works for me at least =) | 19:21 |
| rev | inz: is it accurate? i mean, does it boot a few minutes ahead of time? | 19:21 |
| rev | inz: you mean it works from a completely cold start? when you've actually powered off? | 19:21 |
| Tak | rev: put it face down? ;-) | 19:22 |
| inz | rev, the rtc chip can powerup the device, so you can completely power off | 19:22 |
| inz | rev, dunno of accuracy though, haven't really tried | 19:22 |
| rev | the new 870 or whatever doesn't have a metal cover, so it seems they'll pick some solution to this | 19:22 |
| rev | Tak: yeah, i do that too | 19:22 |
| rev | but | 19:22 |
| rev | i don't like to, the alarm isn't as loud that way | 19:22 |
| rev | i use it for a morning alarm | 19:22 |
| * Tak nods | 19:22 | |
| Tak | that might be a good applet, actually | 19:23 |
| Tak | ScreenOff | 19:23 |
| rev | it's weird, because i hear the relatively quiet TOne 1 or whatever for an alarm, but my wife's loud blaring alarm doesn't bug me at all | 19:23 |
| * Tak pulls up applet howto | 19:23 | |
| rev | i don't even notice hers | 19:23 |
| * rev is trying to figure out how to give any old X11 app an icon on the sidebar so i can switch back and forth to it | 19:23 | |
| inz | rev, you can try the accuracy, set an alarm for +5 mins (>2 at least) and check the time when the device wakes up | 19:24 |
| rev | right now it's a huge pita, i have to kill it if it gets somewhere in the background that i can't get to it | 19:24 |
| rev | inz: yeah, i'll give that a whack | 19:24 |
| inz | rev, if the alarm is within 2 or so minutes, it will no really power down | 19:24 |
| inz | +t | 19:24 |
| jtra | rev: define WMCLASS stuff? | 19:24 |
| jtra | rev: window manager uses this to find the app to switch back to it | 19:25 |
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| rev | jtra: which means modifying the source of the app, not something i can do within the maemo env, yes? | 19:26 |
| rev | inz:ah, that's interesting | 19:26 |
| jtra | rev: in case of SDL apps it is possible via environment | 19:27 |
| jtra | rev: it is described here: http://www.maemo.org/maemowiki/GameDevelopment search for SDL_VIDEO_X11_WMCLASS | 19:28 |
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| rev | hrmm... would it be special for SDL apps, or any ol X app work too? | 19:31 |
| rev | me looks there | 19:31 |
| rev | i guess i could just do the work to maemomize it, but i don't usually do C | 19:32 |
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| rev | but at least now i have an x86 mac, i can finally put x86 linux on it, which is needed for the 770's x-dev tools | 19:32 |
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| minra | i am just starting but themaemo docs and oncept seem very clear | 19:37 |
| Tak | minra: are you planning to hack on any of the xmame projects? | 19:38 |
| minra | yes | 19:39 |
| Tak | Request to join on the garage, and I'll add you | 19:39 |
| minra | ineed to scam internet athome first | 19:39 |
| Tak | I could probably switch over to the public svn too, I suppose ;-) | 19:39 |
| minra | i cant workin bars oron the street | 19:40 |
| minra | i need time | 19:41 |
| minra | when i do a top - i also see maemo-launcher taking up non-trivial cpu | 19:45 |
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| minra | there may be a chance to disable some cpu intensive things in audio... filtters .. envelopes | 19:49 |
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| minra | battery gone on bt kbd...typing with pen... ack | 19:50 |
| Tak | don't forget about the thumbboard ;-) | 19:50 |
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| minra | it is not a computer wo kbd | 20:09 |
| minra | well gotta run | 20:09 |
| Tak | seeya | 20:09 |
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| ferenc | evening | 21:16 |
| florian_kc | hi ferenc | 21:17 |
| ferenc | hello florian | 21:18 |
| ferenc | i just sent out an update on midgard migration: | 21:19 |
| ferenc | https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo2midgard-discussion/2006-December/000042.html | 21:19 |
| ferenc | if you are interested in the new site please take some time and read the mail. | 21:20 |
| ferenc | we are looking for help in testing the new app catalog. | 21:20 |
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| * florian_kc takes a look later, need to get food first | 21:21 | |
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| * timelyx needs to bug ferenc sometime | 21:25 | |
| tko | ferenc, would it be possible to have on the front page a simple site map describing which parts of the site are supposedly final / under testing / placeholders -- it would help at least me to figure out which links are worth following | 21:27 |
| tko | hmm.. top 6 books in librarything are all harry potter. I wonder if that tells more about harry potter / rowling, or librarything users... | 21:32 |
| ferenc | tko: good idea about the site map. but the content that will be available first for public editing is under Applications and partially under Documents | 21:35 |
| X-Fade | Hmm try to login :) That midgard menu isn't the same style as the rest of the website yet? | 21:35 |
| ferenc | for the app catalog i have to complete the user manual: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?UsingTheApplicationCatalog&id=106&type=g | 21:36 |
| ferenc | for Doc authoring we have to write a brand new user manual. | 21:36 |
| ferenc | X-Fade: correct | 21:36 |
| X-Fade | ferenc: Don't know if that is supposed to be themed at all? | 21:37 |
| ferenc | X-Fade: well, we have now a basic authentication window when you click login. did you get the "standard" Midgard CMS login screen? | 21:38 |
| tko | ferenc, allrighty | 21:38 |
| X-Fade | yeah. | 21:38 |
| ferenc | X-Fade: oops. can you paste the link? | 21:38 |
| tko | w00t, where's the tag cloud? =) | 21:38 |
| X-Fade | ferenc: Next to search? :) | 21:38 |
| X-Fade | At the top of the page? | 21:39 |
| ferenc | X-Fade: http://test.maemo.org/midcom-login- , right? it is the same for you as well. | 21:39 |
| X-Fade | http://test.maemo.org/midcom-login- yep | 21:40 |
| ferenc | tko: would it really make sense? we don't have sub categories in the app catalog. | 21:40 |
| ferenc | X-Fade: strange. for me there the HTTP auth window pops up. | 21:40 |
| X-Fade | Hmm it now automagically logs me in with my cookie.. | 21:40 |
| ferenc | ahh! yes. that could be the reason. | 21:40 |
| ferenc | what if you remove the cookie? | 21:40 |
| X-Fade | let me try that out :) | 21:41 |
| tko | shouldn't there be tags for apps, then? | 21:41 |
| tko | I mean, hierarchical is so old :) | 21:42 |
| ferenc | tko: yes, that's a great idea. carlos mentioned it earlier. | 21:42 |
| X-Fade | ferenc: hmm it still logs me in automatically. I cleared all cookies for test.maemo.org | 21:42 |
| ferenc | i want tags, but we have no field for that yet in the DB | 21:42 |
| tko | another thing I'd like is to have a (small) screenshot of the app in the flat list | 21:42 |
| mgedmin | screenshots are good | 21:43 |
| tko | now one needs *gasp* read through the application list :) | 21:43 |
| tko | scanning through for screenshots would be nicer (I'd probably just skip all apps not having one) | 21:43 |
| ferenc | do you think it would help? what if there is no screenshot available? | 21:43 |
| X-Fade | tko: I for one really hate tag clouds. ;) | 21:43 |
| ferenc | i know with styles you can hide things.. | 21:43 |
| X-Fade | Trying to find a category in a bunch of randomly organised words sucks. | 21:44 |
| ferenc | tko: interesting point of view about screenshots. | 21:44 |
| tko | we should encourage (read: make it really simple) having screenshots | 21:44 |
| ferenc | X-Fade: especially if you have 10 flat categories and no sub cats. | 21:44 |
| ferenc | tko: what if we do it a little later, not for the launch? | 21:45 |
| X-Fade | ferenc: Wow, the site looks broken in IE. Looks like I have to fix that too :) | 21:45 |
| ferenc | tko: we'd like to complete testing (functional/regression) and kick off the new maemo.org soon | 21:45 |
| X-Fade | On IE you don't even have the search box? | 21:46 |
| tko | ferenc, guess it depends on your release goals. I'd think the screenshots would be a bit polish, IMHO | 21:46 |
| ferenc | X-Fade: would be great if you could commit fixes for IE :) | 21:46 |
| ferenc | tko: my release goals originally were very simple. i wanted an identical site with the current maemo.org, but on top of midgard. | 21:47 |
| X-Fade | I'll try to find some time in the next days. | 21:47 |
| ferenc | well, compared to that we already did a lot more. | 21:48 |
| ferenc | X-Fade: that'd be nice. | 21:48 |
| tko | ferenc, oh. seems the goals have shifted a little bit since | 21:48 |
| ferenc | tko: well, it is really crazy to work with guys who can not stop throwing in ideas :) | 21:48 |
| X-Fade | ferenc: the website seems to lack a real frontpage. | 21:48 |
| tko | ferenc, isn't that what phase 2 is for? :) | 21:48 |
| X-Fade | This doens't look inviting at all? | 21:48 |
| ferenc | tko: we have a full set of tasks for Phase 2, and I would say soon Phase 3 wll be shaping up as well. | 21:49 |
| ferenc | X-Fade: yes, i know. | 21:49 |
| ferenc | i requested some fancy marketing materials so i am waiting those. | 21:49 |
| ferenc | we can have a "composite" component on the front page, that can have nice pics. | 21:50 |
| ferenc | the idea was to have 3 image links pointing to various places on the site. TigerT or Bergie could tell more. | 21:50 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, I think some pics will help a lot ;) | 21:50 |
| tko | picture of the day kind of thing? | 21:50 |
| ferenc | tko: yes, kinda. but it would not change every day i guess :) | 21:50 |
| ferenc | if you wait a sec i will demo it. | 21:51 |
| tko | which reminds me, the front page should probably have 'app of the day' or something as well :) | 21:51 |
| ferenc | just have to edit it on the internal server first | 21:51 |
| X-Fade | Some smooth, highly styled Nokia image. Like the one on the box. | 21:51 |
| ferenc | tko: yep, we had the idea as well. | 21:51 |
| ferenc | tko: again, lack of time, so we will not have it now. | 21:51 |
| tko | story of our lives... | 21:52 |
| ferenc | X-Fade: i hope i get some of those from our marketing dept. | 21:52 |
| ferenc | one thing guys, i am looking for some "kick": | 21:52 |
| tko | ferenc, it's OK if the maintenance continues and is not just dropped | 21:53 |
| ferenc | how to communicate for existing wiki users that if they do not have a garage account then they should register asap | 21:53 |
| tko | mailing list + wiki front page? | 21:53 |
| X-Fade | ferenc: redirect the edit button on the wiki to a message page? :) | 21:53 |
| tko | and maemo.org news? | 21:53 |
| ferenc | tko: yes. we also have a nice tool which could send polite emails to each and every wiki editor | 21:53 |
| ferenc | X-Fade: brilliant! | 21:54 |
| ferenc | i would like to put the wiki content to the site first. | 21:54 |
| ferenc | then inform the wiki users/editors to move over and start using the new site. | 21:55 |
| X-Fade | ferenc: Why not use some of these pics? http://www.nokia.com/A4138058?category=770 | 21:57 |
| X-Fade | They are released for press. I guess that we can use them too? :) | 21:57 |
| ferenc | X-Fade: true... but i would not like maemo.org to become a flashy marketing site. we should keep our focus on developers and development. | 21:58 |
| ferenc | though these new changes (like app catalog) are targeting "end users" as well, who somehow end up at the site | 21:59 |
| X-Fade | You can always gimp some hello world code on the screen? :) | 21:59 |
| tko | ferenc, like from tableteer? :) | 21:59 |
| ferenc | X-Fade: :)) | 21:59 |
| X-Fade | These pics have all been photoshopped. Rather obvious too.. | 22:00 |
| glass | even semi-serious users end up at app catalog | 22:00 |
| glass | or is there a place for "non devs" or whatever to find apps, really? | 22:01 |
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| ferenc | glass: there isn't, to my knowledge. | 22:07 |
| ferenc | tko: images from tableteer? well.. i don't know.. | 22:07 |
| ferenc | by the way frontpage: do you have proposals for a slogan? | 22:09 |
| X-Fade | ferenc: Hmm using links to bora.research.xxxxx isn't going to work also.. | 22:09 |
| tko | ferenc, uhh, I meant being redirected from tableteer to maemo.org (apps catalog) | 22:12 |
| ferenc | X-Fade: that's right. where did you find such? | 22:13 |
| ferenc | tko: ahh, ok. yes, that will make sense. | 22:13 |
| tko | ferenc, wrt slogan, did valtteri mention we should emphasize maemo being the open source part of ITOS ? | 22:15 |
| ferenc | tko: i have sometimes problems what all of use think about maemo. what is maemo? etc etc. | 22:16 |
| ferenc | for some it is just a word, someone says it is a dev platform, some says it is an application dev platform only | 22:16 |
| ferenc | now we say it is the open part of the IT OS :) | 22:17 |
| tko | I know what you mean.. up until tuesday morning I though 'maemo API' meant something else than we apparently want to say it is :) | 22:17 |
| ferenc | tko: :) | 22:17 |
| ferenc | oh, one other meaning: some thinks maemo is maemo.org | 22:18 |
| ferenc | well, to have one slogan which suits all these is quite a challenge. | 22:18 |
| tko | well, friday is probably a good time to figure it out | 22:19 |
| ferenc | tko: yes. btw. did you discuss the Friday meeting here at #maemo already? | 22:19 |
| tko | no, I wasn't sure it's going to happen | 22:20 |
| tko | there's a tiny bit of transparency missing :) | 22:20 |
| mgedmin | "maemo is a five letter word" | 22:20 |
| ferenc | tko: well, we can make it happen. | 22:21 |
| ferenc | mgedmin: i guess you are close to the truth :) | 22:21 |
| tko | "maemo, the son of pwgen" :) | 22:22 |
| X-Fade | ferenc: commit r127 for example. | 22:22 |
| ferenc | tko: oh yes. | 22:22 |
| ferenc | X-Fade: checking | 22:22 |
| tko | ferenc, yeah.. it'll probably work out nicely if someone just states up front that he'll announce the meeting and publish minutes | 22:23 |
| X-Fade | "maemo: so dynamic even Nokia doesn't know where it's heading" :) | 22:25 |
| tko | X-Fade, nice, but it might be difficult to get that pass marketing :) | 22:26 |
| koen | "maemo: opensource, but not overnight" | 22:26 |
| X-Fade | s/Nokia/we/g :) | 22:26 |
| koen | "maemo: asking for a roadmap pisses people off" | 22:27 |
| X-Fade | "maemo: the other side of the great firewall" | 22:27 |
| Tak | maemo sounds like the name of a cheesy mascot | 22:28 |
| Tak | therefore, we need a cheesy mascot | 22:29 |
| ferenc | Tak: good point! we need one. | 22:29 |
| tko | I said that a long time ago! though I didn't say 'cheesy' | 22:29 |
| ferenc | tko: i remember. but unfortunately our artists dept. was not established back then.. | 22:29 |
| Tak | maybe a giant stylus with feet, arms, and oversized eyeballs | 22:29 |
| Tak | as long as it's not too phallic | 22:30 |
| ferenc | tigert and MDK should perhaps gather "maemo artists" | 22:31 |
| ferenc | personally i don't know anybody else from nokia who works with graphics etc. | 22:31 |
| tko | ferenc, and erik, he did the sardine graphics I think | 22:31 |
| ferenc | and actively present here in the community. | 22:32 |
| ferenc | oh yes, I am sorry. I forgot him. | 22:32 |
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| ferenc | apologize Erik | 22:32 |
| tko | he's not here, I think, so we can freely talk behind his back :) | 22:32 |
| ferenc | tko: anyway, you see how much this team changed since the start? we have real artists nowadays :) | 22:33 |
| ferenc | we really need some fresh blood and ideas though. | 22:33 |
| tko | we have lots more crazy people these days than before, yes :) | 22:34 |
| ferenc | anyway, check out the pics at test.maemo.org (dummies, created by tigert) | 22:34 |
| ferenc | this is the thing i meant earlier. | 22:34 |
| X-Fade | For app of the day? | 22:35 |
| tko | oh yes, could definitely use something like that | 22:35 |
| X-Fade | Or a few random apps from the database. | 22:36 |
| X-Fade | But the website is still very fetch heavy. Your browser has to do a lot of requests to get all things included from a page. | 22:37 |
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| X-Fade | 8 stylesheets, 6 javascript files etc etc.. | 22:38 |
| X-Fade | refreshing that a random page takes 6 seconds on my 20Mbit connection in firefox :) | 22:39 |
| ferenc | X-Fade: after the tests we will switch off debug logs and enable squid | 22:40 |
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| ferenc | i don't know how much it will help, but I was told that it will. | 22:40 |
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| X-Fade | I think concentrating all those seperate files will also help a lot. | 22:41 |
| X-Fade | I don't even want to try to open this page on gprs :) | 22:41 |
| ferenc | X-Fade: can you drop an email on this to the discussion list? | 22:41 |
| ferenc | s/can/could | 22:42 |
| X-Fade | I also discussed that with bergie some weeks ago. | 22:42 |
| X-Fade | But I can also send that to the list. | 22:44 |
| keesj | is there software available for the n770 that you have to pay for? | 22:44 |
| ferenc | X-Fade: pls do so, we have forgotten so many things already :( | 22:44 |
| ferenc | keesj: i have heard about some PIM suite which needs some subscription fee if you want to use it for a longer time... | 22:44 |
| ferenc | keesj: i got no link at hand, though | 22:45 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, I already posted about the side menu. That is should not be drawn when empty. But nobody responded ;) | 22:45 |
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| ferenc | X-Fade: yes. we don't have it on the frontpage anymore | 22:45 |
| ferenc | and on the app catalog we will put the search box there | 22:45 |
| X-Fade | ferenc: it still messes up the app catalog. | 22:45 |
| ferenc | which reminds me to do it. | 22:46 |
| X-Fade | ah.. | 22:46 |
| ferenc | tigert designed the search stuff today, i got to integrate it now. | 22:46 |
| X-Fade | ferenc: yeah, I think that was that commit I pointed out to you :) | 22:46 |
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| ferenc | X-Fade: yes, i am right on it. will take a while though. | 22:47 |
| X-Fade | No worries :) Working outside company hours eh? | 22:48 |
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| _Handful_ | Hi! any german folk here to help us translating Canola? | 22:51 |
| _Handful_ | and of course.. other languages are welcome too =) | 22:51 |
| _Handful_ | ferenc: I think we will break with hungarian lol | 22:52 |
| ferenc | X-Fade: sad but true i like this stuff. | 22:54 |
| ferenc | _Handful_: i am in for that | 22:55 |
| _Handful_ | ferenc: we are finishing the .po files, then I will send you ok? | 22:55 |
| _Handful_ | very little amount of text.. | 22:56 |
| ferenc | _Handful_: no :( please upload them to garage :) | 22:56 |
| _Handful_ | but we are on our way to "force" it to be open | 22:56 |
| _Handful_ | ferenc: Ow yes... better! | 22:56 |
| _Handful_ | I will do that.. | 22:56 |
| ferenc | _Handful_: cool | 22:56 |
| _Handful_ | amd good news for the ones that are using it, we reduced a lot the cpu usage | 22:57 |
| _Handful_ | we needed to remove some small eye candy effects.. but it's going to be much more easy to use other applications along with canola now | 22:57 |
| _Handful_ | smooth text-scrolling was mainly the problem : / | 22:57 |
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| tko | hmm, I wonder if I'll manage to collect an unresolved issues list this week :-/ | 23:50 |
| ferenc | tko: we still have a few hours left from the week :) | 23:54 |
| tko | I have at least half of tomorrow already booked, some of friday, and there's still work I should be doing this week too... | 23:55 |
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