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| konttori | New version of plankton | 00:05 |
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| konttori | This should be much better. Theme Maker now also reads the colors from the image file | 00:05 |
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| konttori | http://www.helsinki.fi/~konttori/MediaConverter/Plankton.deb | 00:06 |
| konttori | Can someone please test that one out? | 00:06 |
| konttori | Oh, plankton is a theme tigert has been working on. | 00:06 |
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| inz | Is it for mistral/scirocco or herring? | 00:08 |
| tko | sardine | 00:08 |
| c0ffee | ><rotten> | 00:09 |
| tko | I think there was a version in the works for some other version, but I forgot which | 00:09 |
| inz | Then I won't test it | 00:10 |
| inz | Hmm, not sure, if I left the device @work actually... | 00:10 |
| inz | Hope not, tomorrows lecture will be boring if so | 00:10 |
| inz | d'oh, I did | 00:11 |
| konttori | That version should work on all 2006 devices | 00:12 |
| konttori | It uses 2006 os gtkrc | 00:12 |
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| konttori | only the images are based on the -3 release (sardine?) | 00:13 |
| konttori | and the colors. | 00:13 |
| HandfulOfNothing | ferenc: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=125 -> .pot files for Canola =) | 00:13 |
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| * konttori still hasn't got 770 to test anything | 00:13 | |
| konttori | http://www.helsinki.fi/~konttori/MediaConverter/ThemeMaker095alpha.zip | 00:13 |
| _Handful_ | If anyone here is interested in helping us translating our application ( Canola ) to your language, grab the files in garage, and drop us a note =) | 00:14 |
| konttori | Ok, off to bed. Good night everybody! | 00:16 |
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| |tbb| | is there clock plugin available for the n770 | 00:20 |
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| mat | |tbb|: see http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006#head-d257afc8b0366d4c085f34e24828462e6da6a128 | 00:23 |
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| inz | osso-statusbar-cpu also shows a clock | 00:23 |
| inz | (shame on me, always advertising my programs ;) | 00:24 |
| _Handful_ | :) | 00:24 |
| |tbb| | inz which is it | 00:27 |
| inz | |tbb|, seems it's not on the ApplicationCatalog, you can get it from maemo-hackers repository | 00:28 |
| inz | |tbb|, I'm a bit lazy when it comes to advertising on the wiki | 00:28 |
| |tbb| | my problem is the application manager wont open anym0re 0n my n770 | 00:29 |
| inz | =( | 00:29 |
| |tbb| | inz: nice plugin | 00:34 |
| |tbb| | what is it when a pr0cess is m0re than one time in the pr0cesslist? | 00:35 |
| inz | |tbb|, threads | 00:35 |
| inz | |tbb|, haven't had time to find out how to combine them | 00:35 |
| |tbb| | how to list all installed packages with apt-get? | 00:36 |
| dacc | |tbb|: try dpkg -l | 00:36 |
| tko | ferenc, btw, if you/someone decides to do meeting minutes to irc, it might be better to use a separate channel. otherwise the meeting content gets rather easily interleaved with completely unrelated discussion | 00:37 |
| tko | ferenc, OTOH putting the minutes in a text file / wikipage wouldn't have such a problem | 00:37 |
| dacc | |tbb|: sometimes you need to do 'COLUMNS=500 dpkg -l' to get full pkg names for awk et. al. | 00:37 |
| ferenc | tko: OK | 00:41 |
| ferenc | tko: we can open a new channel just before the meeting, i suppose | 00:41 |
| ferenc | tko: we should pick a "secretary" who will then publish the minutes | 00:42 |
| ferenc | tko: i would rather focus on the discussion :) | 00:42 |
| tko | moments like this make wish I had a secretary... :) | 00:43 |
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| tigert | :) | 00:48 |
| tko | fwiw I'm horrible at making notes. I can easily condense a half day meeting into a single sentence | 00:49 |
| |tbb| | inz: i got an0ther applet running with screenshot process list running this shows more process runinng like yours | 00:50 |
| inz | "We're screwed" | 00:50 |
| inz | |tbb|, mine does not show all, just the top few | 00:51 |
| |tbb| | ah k | 00:51 |
| |tbb| | i would like t0 remve the 0ther but dunn0 the name | 00:52 |
| inz | |tbb|, load-applet<something>, I'd guess | 00:52 |
| inz | |tbb|, try dpkg -l load-applet'*' | 00:52 |
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| |tbb| | i have -r them allready but its still on the t0p | 00:53 |
| inz | |tbb|, ah, then it's prerm script just doesn't take it away | 00:54 |
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| inz | |tbb|, I originally meant to make it configurable, how many processes were shown, but tigert suggested to keep things simple | 00:55 |
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| |tbb| | w0w after reboot load-applet is g0ne but als0 urs | 00:57 |
| inz | weird | 00:59 |
| |tbb| | how to bring it t0 the t0p | 00:59 |
| inz | Use its control panel applet | 00:59 |
| inz | Disable and re-enable it and it should appear again | 00:59 |
| |tbb| | c0ntr0l panel applet? | 01:00 |
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| tigert | |tbb|: are you seri0us with th3 l4mesp33k? | 01:07 |
| tigert | :) | 01:07 |
| inz | I'd guess HWR | 01:07 |
| inz | =) | 01:07 |
| ferenc | tigert: how can i activate firebug? | 01:07 |
| tigert | oh, good point | 01:08 |
| tigert | ferenc: you installed it? | 01:08 |
| ferenc | yes | 01:08 |
| tigert | ferenc: the beta? | 01:08 |
| inz | |tbb|, open control panel, there's an applet, don't remember how I labelled it though | 01:08 |
| |tbb| | the problem is that my keyb0ard s0metimes wont type o | 01:08 |
| tigert | ferenc: it opens this statusbar icon whichlooks like this: (v) | 01:09 |
| ferenc | tigert: 0.4.1 | 01:09 |
| tigert | a circle with a checkmark | 01:09 |
| tigert | ferenc: www.getfirebug.com | 01:09 |
| tigert | get the 1.0 beta | 01:09 |
| ferenc | tigert: OK, thanks | 01:09 |
| tigert | ferenc: then it opens this statubar icon, right click that -> uncheck [ ] Disable Firebug | 01:09 |
| |tbb| | k g0t it it wasnt there bef0re i have tried a reb00t again n0w its all k | 01:09 |
| tigert | and click the icon that turns green | 01:09 |
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| tigert | |tbb|: ah ok :) | 01:10 |
| Wiredless | Tigert re there pictures of your theme somewhere? | 01:11 |
| tigert | Wiredless: the "plankton" is very much in flux | 01:11 |
| tigert | I want to make it somewhat consistent :P | 01:11 |
| tigert | but its in herring now I thinj | 01:12 |
| tigert | think | 01:12 |
| Wiredless | Ok thanks | 01:12 |
| tigert | but it sucks a lot currently | 01:12 |
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| Wiredless | Right | 01:12 |
| tigert | since I am not quite settlet with a style yet | 01:12 |
| Wiredless | Saw that | 01:12 |
| tigert | so I keep changing it - also inkscape was crashing a lot with the blur filter | 01:12 |
| Wiredless | I see | 01:12 |
| tigert | so I have to remove dropshadows and do this some other way | 01:12 |
| Wiredless | I see | 01:12 |
| tigert | but I try to put it out as soon as I have something | 01:13 |
| Wiredless | I have no test box | 01:13 |
| Wiredless | So its the 770 only for me | 01:13 |
| Wiredless | Looking forward to seeing it tho | 01:13 |
| ferenc | tigert: firebug installed, but i can not open or start it.. no reaction no matter what i click | 01:14 |
| ferenc | tigert: do you know if it conflicts with other addons, like the web developer? | 01:14 |
| tigert | ferenc: shouldnt | 01:14 |
| tigert | hmm | 01:14 |
| tigert | do you get this statusbar icon? | 01:14 |
| tigert | the gray circle wiht a check? | 01:14 |
| tigert | erm | 01:15 |
| tigert | it is a (/) | 01:15 |
| tigert | when its disabled | 01:15 |
| ferenc | tigert: yes, i get the icon and it is set to enabled. | 01:15 |
| tigert | what about Tools -> Firebug? | 01:15 |
| tigert | -> Open firebug=? | 01:15 |
| |tbb| | how do i 0pen the alarm settings to set them up | 01:15 |
| ferenc | tigert: nothing, no feedback, no reaction | 01:16 |
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| tigert | ferenc: what about the tools menu? | 01:16 |
| ferenc | tigert: i tried it, nothing there. | 01:16 |
| tigert | |tbb|: via clock | 01:16 |
| ferenc | tigert: i mean no window opens, no feedback comes. | 01:16 |
| tigert | it opens a bottom pane | 01:17 |
| tigert | hmm | 01:17 |
| tigert | are you sure there is no bottom bar that is very small? | 01:17 |
| MDK | Wiredless: it's in sardine | 01:17 |
| |tbb| | i w0uld like t0 setup a c0mmand for inz plugin | 01:17 |
| MDK | Wiredless: if you install the "haf" package it'll be pulled now | 01:17 |
| ferenc | tigert: hmm, lemme check with an hourglass :) | 01:17 |
| |tbb| | s0 i need the command | 01:17 |
| tigert | ferenc: does the gray (/) icon turn green=? | 01:17 |
| Wiredless | Ty i saw that | 01:17 |
| tigert | if so, click that? | 01:17 |
| ferenc | tigert: it is green | 01:17 |
| ferenc | tigert: nothing happens. | 01:17 |
| tigert | try restarting firefox? | 01:18 |
| tigert | strange | 01:18 |
| MDK | yeah, tigert has some cool stuff but he's too lazy to finnish it | 01:18 |
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| tigert | heh :) | 01:18 |
| tigert | ferenc: firefox 2.0? | 01:18 |
| Wiredless | Ha ha | 01:18 |
| Wiredless | Hey fine wine takes time | 01:18 |
| MDK | hhehe | 01:19 |
| ferenc | tigert: yes | 01:19 |
| ferenc | tigert: debian, so it is called iceweasel | 01:19 |
| ferenc | :) | 01:19 |
| MDK | Wiredless: I'll use this in the next meeting with my manager | 01:19 |
| Wiredless | Ha ha | 01:19 |
| Wiredless | Doh | 01:19 |
| tigert | ferenc: right | 01:20 |
| tigert | ferenc: weird | 01:20 |
| tigert | maybe that is a problem? | 01:20 |
| tigert | dunno, strange | 01:20 |
| Wiredless | Is there a new live cd anywhere with scrathbox? | 01:20 |
| ferenc | tigert: never mind, i can a few days without it :) | 01:21 |
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| ferenc | tigert: i am having troubles putting the search box to the correct place :( | 01:21 |
| tigert | ferenc: hmm | 01:21 |
| |tbb| | is there a command t0 setup the alarm time | 01:22 |
| tigert | ferenc: inside sidebar? | 01:22 |
| ferenc | tigert: yes. i am lloking for the midgard style, where i should put it. | 01:22 |
| tigert | ferenc: aaah ok | 01:23 |
| tigert | that side of the thing | 01:23 |
| ferenc | tigert: yeah, real pleasure for beginners, like me. but that's fun.. | 01:24 |
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| tigert | yea | 01:28 |
| Wiredless | What cell service are you all using fot net access with the 770? | 01:29 |
| Wiredless | If ya dont minb me askin | 01:30 |
| Wiredless | Mind even | 01:30 |
| nomis | finnish disco dance lecture, in the end with german music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwakjoSs754 | 01:31 |
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| tigert | oh, he went | 01:34 |
| tigert | or did he? | 01:34 |
| tigert | nomis: oh that one. its a classic! | 01:35 |
| ferenc | tigert: firebug was conflicting with either: colorpicker or an other tab extension | 01:37 |
| ferenc | tigert: uninstalling those helped. | 01:37 |
| nomis | tigert: http://youtube.com/watch?v=D43yn6g6pb4 is a video of the musicians: It is at least as strange as the tutorial :) | 01:37 |
| |tbb| | any way t0 hack the alarmsetup? | 01:39 |
| tigert | ferenc: cool | 01:39 |
| |tbb| | i dont ever want t0 0pen the w0rld applet | 01:39 |
| tigert | nomis: http://youtube.com/watch?v=awin21Ru2lg | 01:41 |
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| ferenc | tigert: this tool rocks | 01:42 |
| tigert | ferenc: no kidding | 01:42 |
| tigert | ferenc: especially the thing that it shows all styles for an element, and where they are inherited from | 01:42 |
| ferenc | tigert: yes, by far the best firefox addon tool i have ever seen | 01:44 |
| tigert | yeah | 01:45 |
| nomis | tigert: that is a great cover :) | 01:45 |
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| tigert | nomis: yeah | 01:48 |
| tigert | nomis: apulanta is pretty good | 01:48 |
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| |tbb| | if no1 answer there might be no way :/ | 01:58 |
| tigert | |tbb|: I dont know | 02:00 |
| tigert | I can ask the ui designers tomorrow if theres some other way | 02:00 |
| |tbb| | who they are? there are working for nokia? | 02:00 |
| tigert | they are people with two hands and generally two feet + one head | 02:02 |
| tigert | :) | 02:02 |
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| |tbb| | tigert ist there a prog for the n770 like netdiscover | 02:16 |
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| Wiredless | can i ask a terminal question? | 06:04 |
| Wiredless | cp command to copy the contents of a folder is cp -r? | 06:05 |
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| ferenc | morning | 09:25 |
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| konttori | Morning! | 09:49 |
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| tigert | huomenta. | 09:52 |
| ferenc | huomenta | 09:55 |
| konttori | tigert: http://www.helsinki.fi/~konttori/MediaConverter/ThemeMaker095alpha.zip | 09:55 |
| konttori | tigert: http://www.helsinki.fi/~konttori/MediaConverter/Plankton.deb | 09:56 |
| konttori | Edellisessä TM ssä oli bugi | 09:56 |
| konttori | EI käynyt kaikkia kuvia läpi. Kaatui ekaan ,alpha riviin | 09:56 |
| konttori | En huomannut ja siten tuli se frankestein versio | 09:56 |
| konttori | Nyt pitäisi toimia oikein | 09:56 |
| konttori | Tuo tm tukee myös värien lukemista tiedostosta ja asettamista päälle | 09:57 |
| konttori | En tosin kattonut päätyykö värit ihan lopulliseen debiin asti. Mutta jossain vaiheessa ne on ainakin asetettu gtk rc:n | 09:57 |
| konttori | Jos voisit testata planktonin, niin olis überkuul | 09:58 |
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| X-Fade | Hey stop talking in that cryptic language :D | 10:09 |
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| ferenc | X-Fade: :) | 10:09 |
| X-Fade | The only things I get out of it are: alpha and plankton :) | 10:10 |
| ferenc | you know too much already :) | 10:10 |
| X-Fade | heh | 10:10 |
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| ferenc | tigert and X-Fade: the search form to the appcatalog seems to be a tough one for me. | 10:11 |
| X-Fade | Oh and that is is a real Frankenstein version :) | 10:11 |
| tigert | konttori: yea, will have a look | 10:11 |
| konttori | tigert: cool | 10:11 |
| tigert | konttori: ok | 10:11 |
| konttori | X-Fade: sorry about that | 10:11 |
| tigert | konttori: you should get mail from MDK soon | 10:11 |
| tigert | since he asked for the address last night | 10:11 |
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| konttori | great | 10:12 |
| tigert | probably about the bundles | 10:12 |
| X-Fade | konttori: Nah, very interesting to try to read it :) | 10:12 |
| tigert | ferenc: hmm | 10:12 |
| konttori | I really need to get my 770 back. | 10:13 |
| tigert | konttori: lunch today? | 10:13 |
| konttori | Doing any coding without it is just impossible | 10:13 |
| tigert | I think I might loan you mine | 10:13 |
| tigert | since this is important stuff | 10:13 |
| konttori | tigert: ok, but let's set a time limit this tme | 10:13 |
| tigert | well, "mine" | 10:13 |
| tigert | konttori: hehehe :o) | 10:13 |
| konttori | tigert: cool. I'll give it back asap | 10:14 |
| tigert | I just need to backup my stuff from this one and use the older 770 proto myself | 10:15 |
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| tigert | noon in kamppi? | 10:16 |
| tigert | I try to ask mdk to join too so we can make sure the bundles stuff gets sorted out | 10:16 |
| X-Fade | ferenc: What can I do to help you with the search? I don't think I have the means to try things out? | 10:19 |
| ferenc | X-Fade: it is a midgard issue. but i will show it to you in a few minutes. | 10:19 |
| konttori | Noon is fine. Kamppi is great | 10:19 |
| tigert | ok | 10:19 |
| tigert | will ask | 10:19 |
| konttori | tigert: don't you have any spare 770s lying around the office? | 10:20 |
| tigert | konttori: that is the one I am talking about | 10:20 |
| konttori | Oh, but you only have like one or two. Ok. I see. I kinda figured you'd have more like tens of devices around the office ;) | 10:21 |
| tigert | the proto is "real" hardware too, it just lacks the fcc stamp | 10:21 |
| tigert | konttori: sure | 10:21 |
| konttori | tigert: is that a white one then? | 10:22 |
| tigert | no | 10:22 |
| konttori | ah. they looked pretty cool | 10:22 |
| tigert | yeah | 10:22 |
| tigert | I should do some cover modding :) | 10:22 |
| konttori | at least in some images on the web | 10:22 |
| konttori | never seen a live one though | 10:22 |
| tigert | epoxy glue small grains of sand on it? :) | 10:22 |
| tigert | or something | 10:22 |
| tigert | the white one has one problem: shit sticks to it :) | 10:22 |
| tigert | so it wont be white for long | 10:23 |
| konttori | By the way, Tangerine is ideal partner for canola | 10:23 |
| konttori | http://www.snorp.net/log/tangerine | 10:23 |
| konttori | DAAP server component that shares your music library | 10:23 |
| konttori | Works on all platforms | 10:23 |
| tigert | yeah | 10:24 |
| konttori | tigert: yeah, although at least my ipod is still shining white. And I use it in pocket all the time | 10:24 |
| tigert | its sweet little app | 10:24 |
| tigert | konttori: yeah, because the surface is glossy | 10:24 |
| konttori | so, it also depends on the plastic finishing process | 10:24 |
| tigert | yep | 10:24 |
| konttori | yeah | 10:24 |
| konttori | Maybe if one used some spray "lakkaa" on the covers, they could withstand the dirt better. | 10:25 |
| konttori | whatever lakka is in english | 10:25 |
| tigert | varnish or such? | 10:25 |
| konttori | varnish? Really? | 10:26 |
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| Veggen | konttori: I only know of the kind of lakka you can drink ;-P | 10:26 |
| konttori | ;) | 10:26 |
| konttori | http://www.google.com/patents | 10:27 |
| konttori | great work google! | 10:27 |
| zbenjamin | is wlan roaming supported with it2005 (i have to use it2005) and need to take the best accesspoint out of a group of access points.... | 10:28 |
| X-Fade | konttori: Hmm only 7 million.. and probably only old stuff? | 10:29 |
| X-Fade | A patent from 1927 isn't really interesting anymore ;) | 10:29 |
| konttori | Seems to contain new stuff as well | 10:30 |
| konttori | http://www.google.com/patents?as_q=&num=10&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_pnum=&as_vt=&as_pinvent=&as_pasgnee=&as_pusc=&as_pintlc=&as_drrb_is=b&as_minm_is=1&as_miny_is=2005&as_maxm_is=1&as_maxy_is=2006&as_drrb_ap=q&as_minm_ap=1&as_miny_ap=2006&as_maxm_ap=1&as_maxy_ap=2006 | 10:30 |
| Veggen | X-Fade: no? Can't it be used as prior art, at least? | 10:30 |
| X-Fade | Veggen: Well, for software patents it is not really useful ;) | 10:31 |
| konttori | http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6972332&id=S_8UAAAAEBAJ&as_drrb_ap=q&as_minm_ap=1&as_miny_ap=2006&as_maxm_ap=1&as_maxy_ap=2006&as_drrb_is=b&as_minm_is=1&as_miny_is=2005&as_maxm_is=1&as_maxy_is=2006 | 10:31 |
| konttori | Interesting stuff ;) | 10:31 |
| konttori | Process for the production of opiates... so weird to see something like that as a patent | 10:32 |
| inz | morning | 10:35 |
| konttori | tigert: could you ask mdk to send me also the command for making the cache version. So that I could include that as the last step in the installer script? | 10:38 |
| konttori | tigert: could we also discuss the inclusion of the top bar and left bar icons to the theme on the lunch? | 10:41 |
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| Guardian | morning | 10:48 |
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| tigert | konttori: yeah | 10:51 |
| tigert | konttori: we want to make an icon slicer tool also | 10:52 |
| tigert | so that one can totally theme the icons | 10:52 |
| tigert | but thats another job to be done | 10:52 |
| tigert | konttori: btw | 10:53 |
| tigert | I think the font size etc boxes could be grayed out if one uses a "bundle" | 10:54 |
| konttori | I just think that the top bar and left side icons should be integral to desktop theme, not the icon theme. As these icons are present at all times. Icon theme should then affect the rest of the icons. | 10:54 |
| tigert | konttori: hmm | 10:54 |
| tigert | konttori: you are still using the -3 layout for this btw | 10:55 |
| tigert | konttori: perhaps that too | 10:55 |
| tigert | konttori: but then again, if there is a tool to make icon themes too, this would be a smaller issue | 10:55 |
| konttori | Ok. Well, just replace the layout.txt file with -2 file to test -2 version. | 10:55 |
| konttori | Ok, let's discuss that on lunch. More effective in person | 10:56 |
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| timeless | i wonder what they're discussing | 10:59 |
| jait | http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/14/puppybot-has-a-nokia-770-for-a-head/ | 11:00 |
| tigert | http://youtube.com/watch?v=iMkWwJqPCOQ | 11:00 |
| tigert | now this is _sweeeet_ | 11:01 |
| Guardian | haha | 11:04 |
| Guardian | excellent | 11:04 |
| X-Fade | Now that is cool :) | 11:04 |
| konttori | cool idea | 11:09 |
| tigert | very | 11:09 |
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| tigert | konttori: michael suggests 1pm for lunch | 11:16 |
| tigert | is that ok? | 11:16 |
| konttori | ok | 11:16 |
| timeless | is it ok for packages to have symlinks to /scratchbox/..../COPYING ? | 11:16 |
| suihkulokki | no | 11:17 |
| timeless | we have some :) | 11:17 |
| suihkulokki | I'm so suprised | 11:17 |
| timeless | you've been working there too long | 11:17 |
| * timeless resolves suihkulokki as jaded | 11:17 | |
| suihkulokki | people should use make dist | 11:17 |
| timeless | make dist? | 11:18 |
| suihkulokki | to create a distribution tarball | 11:18 |
| * timeless doesn't see how that's relevant | 11:18 | |
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| timeless | each package should have its own COPYING file | 11:18 |
| timeless | it shouldn't try to steal someone elses | 11:18 |
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| tigert | konttori: I get out of memory error if I try to build twice | 11:19 |
| suihkulokki | well in COPYING case yes, they should actually write a proper COPYING | 11:19 |
| konttori | tigert: just close the soft in between | 11:20 |
| konttori | It stores the settings | 11:20 |
| tigert | yea, figured | 11:20 |
| konttori | but yeah, gotta fix that | 11:20 |
| suihkulokki | tigert: but they are probably using autofoo with --force anyway, so those files get overriden :P | 11:20 |
| tigert | yep | 11:20 |
| tigert | konttori: we'll bring a laptop to show you our tool a bit | 11:20 |
| konttori | all right. nice | 11:20 |
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| * timeless sighs | 11:24 | |
| * timeless will file bugs | 11:24 | |
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| jtra | can these all be a real invention? http://www.google.com/patents?q=christmas+tree+stand | 11:51 |
| X-Fade | Hmm i notice that they even highligh your search terms inside pictures! | 11:53 |
| keesj | pretty cool | 11:54 |
| jtra | and 100 of them has been filed in year 2000 and later, I cannot understand this | 11:54 |
| keesj | perhaps they are different or are a real innovation | 11:56 |
| konttori | tigert: I need to be at home at 1 pm. Any chance of delaying meeting to tomorrow? | 12:02 |
| tigert | konttori: that's fine too | 12:04 |
| tigert | no worries | 12:04 |
| konttori | ok. until tomorrow then. cool. | 12:04 |
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| zbenjamin | is the source of the wlan connection daemon available on maemo repos? | 12:10 |
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| konttori | tigert: I just checked on status of my 770 and it seems I won't be getting it for at least a week, maybe more, so your 770 loan offer sounds great. Thanks tigert! | 12:20 |
| timeless | a friend bought one using the online store | 12:21 |
| timeless | his arrived w/in 2 days | 12:21 |
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| timeless | you guys still doing lunch @1? | 12:53 |
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| tigert | not today | 13:22 |
| tigert | tomorrow | 13:22 |
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| konttori | I had a phone meeting @1 | 13:31 |
| konttori | Paying customer is always #1 | 13:31 |
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| keesj | konttori, Can i become one of your non paying customers? | 13:45 |
| konttori | ;) Well, in a sense 770 users who use my softs ARE non paying customers | 13:46 |
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| konttori | But yeah, poor choice of words | 13:46 |
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| tigert | konttori: yeah | 13:53 |
| tigert | konttori: "the one that pays the rent has certain priority" | 13:53 |
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| konttori | Indeed | 13:55 |
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| konttori | And this time it was even a nice job, so didn't matter that much that I had to work throughout the weekend | 13:56 |
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| keesj | I'ts great to have a nice job | 14:08 |
| keesj | I think developers are often in a lucky position | 14:08 |
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| Eloi | A quite strange use of a 770: http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/video-strange-nokia-770-puppy-bot | 14:18 |
| tigert | w :) | 14:19 |
| guerby | hmm does someone knows how to right click using the Nokia 770? | 14:19 |
| tigert | hold | 14:20 |
| tigert | the stylus | 14:20 |
| guerby | tigert, ok will try thanks | 14:20 |
| keesj | it's a great video | 14:20 |
| tigert | keesj: it is very cool project | 14:20 |
| tigert | guerby: I pasted the youtube url | 14:21 |
| keesj | there is a garage project for it | 14:21 |
| tigert | thamnks for the article | 14:21 |
| tigert | keesj: nice | 14:21 |
| tigert | does it use Player? | 14:21 |
| tigert | man. I could totally use the 770 to control my roomba :) | 14:21 |
| Eloi | :) | 14:21 |
| tigert | I was thinking of an old ipqaq | 14:21 |
| tigert | ipaq even | 14:22 |
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| keesj | but the video is really to smooth/professional | 14:22 |
| tigert | but sometimes the answer is too close by :) | 14:22 |
| tigert | yeah | 14:22 |
| tigert | shot in a nice studio | 14:22 |
| keesj | at home a hack the sweex routers (they are only about 30 euro's) | 14:23 |
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| jait | tigert: in a normal lab, not a studio, i think :) | 14:42 |
| tigert | YEA | 14:45 |
| tigert | OOPS | 14:45 |
| tigert | caps | 14:45 |
| tigert | but with someone who knows lighting | 14:45 |
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| jait | yep, and with decent equipment | 14:47 |
| koen | or common sense | 14:47 |
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| keesj | and perhaps about how to speedup video's the pet is quite fast | 14:57 |
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| florian_kc | hi all | 15:08 |
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| feren1 | hello florian_kc | 15:12 |
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| jait | keesj: well the servos are quite powerful so i believe it's not speeded up | 15:21 |
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| jonek | does anybody have a clue about how to use an BT rfcomm connection on the command line on the 770? | 15:35 |
| jonek | cat + echo on /dev/rfcomm0 don't seem to work | 15:36 |
| Veggen | uhm...why should it? /dev/rfcomm0 is the ppp-like interface, isn't it? | 15:37 |
| Veggen | general Linux utils should work, like http://www.jeremythompson.uklinux.net/RH8-0/Bluez.html | 15:39 |
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| Tak|work | heh, the control for that puppy looks like my mplayer remote | 15:46 |
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| jonek | Veggen: I have currently have a rfcomm connection between the 770 and a BT device - and now I want to send a command over this connection and receive a result. do I have to use cu or minicom for that or is this also possible via plain unix tools? E.g. for a connection with a BT GPS device a "cat /dev/rfcomm0" just prints out a continuous stream of text. | 15:52 |
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| keesj | jonek, and that's not what you wand ? | 15:57 |
| keesj | want | 15:57 |
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| Veggen | jonek: you'll need minicom or such. | 15:57 |
| Veggen | although I think perhaps it's possible with stty commands to set baud etc.... | 15:57 |
| jonek | keesj: I'm not communicating with a GPS - it's a proprietary BT device. It waits for plain text commands over an rfcomm connection. | 15:59 |
| Veggen | minicom is good for such, if you just want to talk to it by hand. | 15:59 |
| jonek | Veggen: and why isn't minicom needed to communicate with a GPS over rfcomm? | 16:00 |
| jonek | I just understand the difference | 16:00 |
| jonek | don't understand ;-) | 16:00 |
| keesj | you can use a chat script perhaps , or a small c program | 16:00 |
| Veggen | well, you can of course use a program for it, too, I'm just not sure the command line has appropriate tools :) | 16:01 |
| keesj | but just reading and writing is doable with a shell /PERL script | 16:01 |
| jonek | keesj: but why isn't it possible tu use echo and cat for reading and writing then? | 16:01 |
| keesj | perhaps your tty setting are wrong | 16:02 |
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| keesj | jonek te me check | 16:03 |
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| Veggen | googling a bit gave http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2003-05/msg01045.html - which looks kind of useful as an example. replace /dev/ttyS0 with /dev/rfcomm0 | 16:04 |
| jonek | when I do a "echo "someCommand" > /dev/rfcomm0" the only indication of something happening is a flickering LED on the BT device. I don't know what the correct tty setting could be :-/. | 16:04 |
| jonek | at the same time I had a "cat /dev/rfcomm0" running on another console | 16:05 |
| jonek | Veggen: I never used /dev/ttyS0 | 16:06 |
| Veggen | experiment a bit with different speed settings. | 16:06 |
| Veggen | no, but it's a serial device, just as rfcomm0 is. In the example, just think of it as /dev/rfcomm0 | 16:07 |
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| kender | hello | 16:07 |
| Veggen | http://lists.gnumonks.org/pipermail/opentom/2006-April/000249.html IS maybe more useful. (just googling a bit) | 16:09 |
| jonek | Veggen: thx | 16:12 |
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| ||cw | anyone tried subscribing to the ical feed for a google calendar using gpe-cal on it2006? | 17:09 |
| ||cw | I'm getting: invalid value in RRULE | 17:09 |
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| feren1 | check this: http://test.maemo.org/applications/ | 17:18 |
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| Tak|work | looks nice | 17:37 |
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| Tak|work | I hate the orange, but that's just a personal thing | 17:37 |
| jtra | and seems to work | 17:37 |
| keesj | will there be screen-shots? | 17:37 |
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| keesj | what is IT OS 2006 ? | 17:38 |
| X-Fade | keesj: Current software release | 17:39 |
| X-Fade | Internet Tables Operating System 2006 :) | 17:39 |
| Tak|work | hmm, it's not using a current db? | 17:39 |
| X-Fade | *Tablet | 17:39 |
| keesj | but there are 2 updates right? | 17:39 |
| X-Fade | 1 update. | 17:40 |
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| konttori | feren1: Looks terrific! | 17:55 |
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| mickeyl | hi guys | 18:20 |
| koen | hey mickeyl | 18:21 |
| ||cw | robot with a 770 for its head http://robosavvy.com/Forums&file=viewtopic&p=5247 | 18:21 |
| Tak|work | I saw that - pretty cool | 18:21 |
| mickeyl | is rev 8761 the latest for hildon-window.c ? | 18:21 |
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| mickeyl | ok, i'll ask it differently | 18:24 |
| mickeyl | is lxr browsing through the latest version of the HAF tree? | 18:24 |
| timeless | mickey: whose lxr? | 18:24 |
| mickeyl | http://maemo.org/lxr/source/hildon-libs/hildon-widgets/hildon-window.c | 18:24 |
| timeless | the one on swift is browsing through one updated yesterday :) | 18:24 |
| mickeyl | swift? | 18:25 |
| timeless | if you don't know it won't help :( | 18:25 |
| mickeyl | probably | 18:25 |
| mickeyl | i found a funny bug in hildon-window.c, will post the patch to the mailing list then | 18:25 |
| mickeyl | thanks | 18:25 |
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| timeless | i don't see that file | 18:26 |
| timeless | oh, oops :) | 18:26 |
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| kender | re | 18:30 |
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| arj | evening all | 20:40 |
| arj | does anyone know if gaim-2.0 svn has been ported to maemo? The only I could find was an old 1.5? | 20:40 |
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| minra | is it possible to use the 770 as a router? | 20:56 |
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| minra | i have no internet at home and might be able to get a cheap umtss flatrate. can i use the 770 a a router between the bluetooth internet and wlan? iptables etc? | 20:56 |
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| suihkulokki | minra: yes, it's Linux.. | 21:04 |
| minra | thanks, i see iptables here in mistral | 21:05 |
| minra | no ping though.. .that is sad | 21:06 |
| |TBB| | How could i start osso-xterm with a command like xterm -e ssh@bla | 21:07 |
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| shapr | I'd like to know that too. | 21:08 |
| minra | grr crashed xterm in the middle of a wget | 21:10 |
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| sp3000 | --continue | 21:28 |
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| guerby | minra, on application2006 I believe there's a version of busybox with ping | 21:33 |
| guerby | traceroute & co | 21:33 |
| minra | man i just hilighted some text in xterminal and killed it agin | 21:37 |
| minra | the only thing that saves me from rage is that i know that maemo is cutting edge and that there are not millions of 770 users | 21:38 |
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| suihkulokki | xterm's never crashed for me.. | 21:41 |
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| keesj | I was not sure who killed the xterm | 21:45 |
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| Tak|work | I've never crashed the xterm either | 22:29 |
| minra | if i could ever find a job crashing software, i would rule | 22:30 |
| Tak|work | they generally call those QA | 22:31 |
| minra | will search | 22:31 |
| minra | so anyway i cant do anything with maemo... to do dev work i need internet on the 386 computer | 22:32 |
| minra | cause i will need to apt get packages in the scratchbox environment | 22:32 |
| minra | sorry, just very frustrated. | 22:34 |
| minra | you can not work on a computer that is not connected to the internet | 22:34 |
| minra | no internet equals death | 22:34 |
| * sp3000 has a floppy with a "INTERNET" sticker on it for just those occasions | 22:35 | |
| minra | the first floppy i bought stored 160 kilobyte and cost 6 dollars | 22:36 |
| Tak|work | I don't think I've ever used apt inside scratchbox | 22:37 |
| minra | Tak so you compiled fceu with the base root dev fs? | 22:38 |
| Tak|work | yeah - it has sdl and esd | 22:39 |
| Tak|work | even gstreamer and the plugins | 22:39 |
| minra | thanks tak, | 22:45 |
| minra | i just dont think i can do anything without internet at home | 22:46 |
| * Tak|work shrugs | 22:47 | |
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| whirm | hi all | 23:34 |
| rev | hey | 23:34 |
| whirm | I'm trying to upgrade my nokia 770 to sardine via ssh directly it's my 3rd attempt (and reflash :-) | 23:35 |
| whirm | doing it via ssh | 23:35 |
| minra | i want to do it too | 23:36 |
| whirm | lol! | 23:36 |
| minra | what is not working? | 23:36 |
| whirm | it's hard! | 23:36 |
| whirm | I'm getting libXfixes.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 23:36 |
| whirm | in what package does this library comes? | 23:36 |
| rev | hrmm | 23:36 |
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| tko | whirm, did you do the dist-upgrade ? | 23:36 |
| rev | well, i'm not sure what to tell ya... but someone else probably canm | 23:36 |
| whirm | tko cannot do it, apt wants to uninstall base-files :-) | 23:37 |
| tko | libxfixes3 | 23:37 |
| tko | whirm, did you install the metapackage first? | 23:37 |
| whirm | tko: hildon-application-framework ? | 23:37 |
| whirm | yup | 23:37 |
| tko | yep | 23:37 |
| tko | k. I didn't try to do it on the device yet, but it worked for sbox/386 | 23:38 |
| tko | jobi was complaining about X though | 23:38 |
| tko | we blame daniels :) | 23:39 |
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| whirm | where can I wget libxfixes3 deb? | 23:39 |
| tko | apt-get install libxfixes3 | 23:40 |
| whirm | I have apt stucked in libgtk2.0 configure | 23:40 |
| whirm | because of libxfixes3 :-) | 23:40 |
| whirm | so i need to wget it | 23:40 |
| whirm | libgtk2.0-bin i mean | 23:40 |
| tko | you can just hit ctrl+c and it can usually recover | 23:40 |
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| whirm | tko: I mean it crashes trying to configure it | 23:41 |
| tko | for me sbox got stuck in configuring gtk2.0-examples | 23:41 |
| tko | whirm, and apt-get install libxfixes3 refuses to run completely? | 23:41 |
| tko | well, it's in the repository anyway | 23:42 |
| whirm | yup, until I apt-get -f install | 23:42 |
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| whirm | ouch I already have it installed :-( | 23:43 |
| * whirm cheating | 23:43 | |
| whirm | Nokia770-39:/usr/lib# ln -s /usr/lib/libXfixes.so.3 /usr/lib/libXfixes.so.0 | 23:43 |
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| whirm | MUHAHAHA!!! did it! | 23:44 |
| whirm | I hope Ill not run out of batteries.. | 23:45 |
| ferenc | tigert: are you going to commit fix for the input/selects of the app catalog search box or shall i do it? | 23:46 |
| ferenc | X-Fade: do you have an IE at hand? | 23:47 |
| inz | ferenc, ies4linux is nice =) | 23:48 |
| whirm | how do I do to restart the graphics environment in the 770 without rebooting from the command line? | 23:49 |
| inz | whirm, short answer: you don't | 23:49 |
| whirm | inz :-(((( | 23:49 |
| whirm | whi? | 23:49 |
| whirm | *why | 23:49 |
| tko | whirm, well, why? | 23:50 |
| inz | whirm, long answer: you can try /etc/init.d/af-base-apps restart (or something like that), but I won't guarantee it won't reboot the device | 23:50 |
| tko | whirm, but basically plugging in the power cable and power button will shut down only half way | 23:50 |
| whirm | ouch | 23:50 |
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| tko | shutting down to recharging mode is enough to get most of the apps reload gtk :) | 23:51 |
| ferenc | inz: thanks for the tip | 23:51 |
| tko | (systemui is the exception IIRC) | 23:51 |
| whirm | tko: will the ssh server or wifi connection will be shut down? | 23:51 |
| inz | ssh server probably not, wifi probably yes | 23:52 |
| whirm | argh! | 23:52 |
| whirm | http://pastebin.ca/279231 | 23:54 |
| whirm | no way! | 23:54 |
| inz | whirm, tsk tsk, no connectivity for you =) | 23:55 |
| whirm | some idea to fix this? | 23:55 |
| inz | nope | 23:56 |
| whirm | is there any way to extract the root filesystem of a n770 with flasher utility | 23:57 |
| whirm | ? | 23:57 |
| tigert | ferenc: please do it | 23:57 |
| tigert | looks like it's changed a bit already, so its better you do it | 23:57 |
| * tigert goes to bed, see you tomorrow morning! | 23:57 | |
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| ferenc | tigert: ok, good night | 23:58 |
| tigert | night! | 23:58 |
| tko | whirm, hmm.. did you try apt-get upgrade? | 23:58 |
| whirm | tko: yes: | 23:58 |
| whirm | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 23:58 |
| tko | fun | 23:58 |
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| whirm | tko: at all :-) | 23:59 |
| tko | well, looking at what dist-upgrade is about to install (and upgrade saying there's nothing to do) I'd say you're done :) | 23:59 |
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