IRC log of #harmattan for Sunday, 2012-09-23

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jesuschrist_guys i've compiled the modules necessary for pptp+ppp to work01:00
jesuschrist_yet when i call the executables the phone reboots itself01:01
jesuschrist_no logging to debug with or anything01:01
jesuschrist_anyone got a hint ?01:01
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jesuschrist_the phone reboots itself ?01:03
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rashm2khave you tried calling it from the command line and piping the output to a file01:11
rashm2klike xxx > file.txt01:11
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rashm2kyou can also just ssh to your phone and run from command line01:12
jesuschrist_piping the output of what01:13
jesuschrist_dmesg ?01:13
jesuschrist_when exactly ? when i run the execs ?01:13
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ZogG_laptoppa: and now rawcam in rzr's repo :P09:17
paah thats great :) we can finally apt-get it !09:40
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ZogG_laptoppa: he answered you in thread, i think it's also coz i asked him and as we found what's the problem was with cobs building it. gonna ask him for apps4meego next tim e i see him09:55
lpapp_it was put into  the communit repository long ago09:57
lpapp_when I added qwazix as a maintainer essentially.09:57
ZogG_laptoplpapp_: it wasn't09:57
lpapp_yes, it was.09:58
ZogG_laptopthere was old version09:58
lpapp_it was updated quite a few days ago after my initiation.09:58
lpapp_osc history is actually your friend.09:59
ZogG_laptoplpapp_: my memmory is my best friend :P10:01
lpapp_apparently the worst10:02
lpapp_because you forgot to check the log afterwards10:02
ZogG_laptopi sent you log10:02
lpapp_the OLD log10:02
lpapp_there was a discussion about maintainership and all that jazz later10:03
lpapp_update your "best friend".10:03
ZogG_laptopi wasn't here10:04
ZogG_laptopand i saw you just asked him to push and saying apps4meego is not good10:04
ZogG_laptopwhile i'm still pretty sure it used is more than community repo :P10:04
ZogG_laptopso i don't see why i need to10:05
lpapp_I do not understand what point you are trying to make.10:05
lpapp_it was updated quite a few days ago. It is nothing to argue about. It is fact either you missed or not.10:06
lpapp_so you can argue, but that does not make the fact infact.10:06
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lpapp_it has a very nasty packaging style, but osc history will let you now either way.10:09
infobotlpapp_ meant: it has a very nasty packaging style, but osc history will let you know either way.10:09
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ZogG_laptoplpapp_: i just wanted to inform pa, but as you ask, i remember you said it's useless to talk to devs and u should do it yourself if you want, and this just proves wrong. and it as well just prove that the most important thing for community to work together and not solo and decide you are the best and your job is most important :P10:16
lpapp_seems I need to port my ignore10:17
ZogG_laptopdo it10:18
ZogG_laptopgood :P10:18
lpapp_and yes, it is useless to chase all the developers, definitely.10:19
lpapp_and that is pretty much every every packager agrees about.10:19
lpapp_it is not any Harmattan specific. Developers will not obviously join distributions to package their stuff even if 1% do.10:20
lpapp_so it is like bothering for the minority which does not make too much sense at all (rather unchancy they get involved).10:20
lpapp_actually qwazix apparently did not get involve for pa's asking, so I wonder why my asking was different.10:20
ZogG_laptopbecause it was built and it was all about submiting :P10:21
lpapp_most likely becaue it was online and tried to help him to get maintainership so not much communication was needed.10:21
ZogG_laptophe wasn't home as we speaked that's why we fixed 0.0.6 build and not 0.0.8 so he didn't push when i talked with him10:21
ZogG_laptopso if you just came by in right moment and asked it doesn't mean anything, as any harmattan dev that makes app for free opensource and using cobs wouldn't mind to submit to repo10:22
ZogG_laptopand that's why i said it's better to ask devs for this situation10:22
ZogG_laptopans i already answered that for not harmataan related stuff surely we need to package10:23
lpapp_also, the packaging is wrong.10:23
ZogG_laptopsimple as it10:23
lpapp_I should probably fix it, or give him some hints how to do this nicely.10:23
ZogG_laptopit is not wrong10:23
ZogG_laptopit is for qtcreator10:23
ZogG_laptopand you are free to give tips, but if you break the way he packaged i wouldn't help to fix it again so you would need to do it yourself :P and he might have problem :P10:24
ZogG_laptopand why the F i'm talking to you if you ignored me :P10:25
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lucidowhats a boostable application?11:28
lpapp__lucido: in what context?11:29
lucidoqtcreator new subproject asks me11:29
jonnilucido: it just asks if you want to use invoker to start the app (if its M or QML app) vs standalone. On average invoker apps starts 200ms faster than standalone.11:30
lpapp__yep, it is related to booster I guess.11:31
lucidoinvoker it is11:31
jonniie 'boosts' startup times11:31
lpapp__jonni: btw, any reasons disovered for slow qml?11:31
lpapp__on Harmattan and launch, that.11:31
lpapp__there was a research back then.11:32
lpapp__and it seems qtquick2 will not solve this issue either. :/11:32
jonnimostly it is just stupid coders fault, if you do things right you can have app up and running in 300ms after pressing the icon.11:33
jonnibut yes, there was and is research about making the loading faster11:33
lpapp__jonni: nope11:34
lpapp__I have written a skeleton qml main.cpp11:34
lpapp__there is nothing wrong about it.11:34
lpapp__and it takes about 5 seconds to launch11:34
lpapp__I mean it does really nothing aside from loading an almost empty rectangle. :-)11:35
jonniwell I have helloworld qml main.cpp app in Harmattan and it takes 250ms from the button press to come to screen.11:35
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lpapp__is it qt-components based?11:35
jonniofcourse not, nobody who wants a fast application would use qt-components, since its a mess.11:36
lpapp__are you sure people should developer for Harmattan without the native components? :P11:36
lpapp__and rewrite them? :P11:36
lpapp__either way, I forgot to say that it is actually a qt components app11:36
lpapp__so hello world text in a simple page.11:37
lpapp__but this should be nicely working as almost nobody writes pure qml code as people have not written pure c++ code either without the widgets. :)11:37
jonnithats the tradeoff, if you use components heavily if will slow down your startup times. If you want to optimise then dont use components (or only take the parts that you app needs and rewrite them to be even faster, as there are millions of useless bindings that makes loading so much slower).11:38
lpapp__we do not use heavily.11:38
lpapp__it is just a helloworld label.11:38
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jonniwell anyways for qml2 there were studies about using optimized precompiled bytecodestreams to improve performance, but after killing Brisbane office I think that that research is going to die.11:43
lpapp__yeah 8 commits this month11:43
lpapp__and one for changing the copyright from Nokia to Digia.11:44
ZogG_laptopi heard that qml2 is already much faster11:44
lpapp__also the bindings are annoying when you cannot have them disabled.11:44
lpapp__like a ui layout element bound to a string11:44
lpapp__but that element is currently invisible etc. It is always reevaluated.11:44
ZogG_laptophope BB will also jump in11:44
chem|stZogG_laptop: any progress on the codecs front?11:44
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jonnifinally got my QtOnPi device this week, but most likely I dont have time to do anything with it for a while...if only would I gotten it 2 monts a ago, when there was tons of free time.11:51
ZogG_laptopchem|st: actually i saw the mplayer GUI builted for n9 and linked you it. wanted you to try it there11:51
ZogG_laptopjonni: i bought one and still had no time :P11:51
ZogG_laptopjonni: so how is it bee free man? :P11:52
jonniZogG_laptop: learning lots of new stuff everyday :)11:53
ZogG_laptopbtw was you laid off or quit btw?11:53
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djszapijonni: who has time or care about that :D11:54
djszapifor Harmattan.11:54
ZogG_laptopjonni: my problem is i can't learn alone i learn faster if i have a mission and obligation like at work i learned a lot of stuff i postponed home coz i have no choice :P11:54
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djszapijonni: I mean to improve the qt components. It has already been a lot of work to port to QtQuick2, and I am still not ready with it.11:54
jonniZogG_laptop: semantics, I quit, but if I wouldnt have then they would have kicked me.11:55
djszapijonni: wouldn't kick have been better?11:55
djszapiyou have lost a lot of redundancy money this way, no?11:55
djszapi15 years has a decent amount of that...11:56
djszapiunless the new company paid that off.11:56
ZogG_laptopjonni: here is better to get fired and to get money compensation :P11:56
ZogG_laptopjonni: u told you got job but didn't tell where right? why not jolla btw?11:56
djszapijonni: but you are welcome to help to make the component set better. :-)11:57
ZogG_laptopand if it's something u don't answer just tell, i'm just interesting how people like you that have options and i bet hunted by companies to work for them do :P11:57
djszapiit would be nice to have mobile components.11:57
jonniZogG_laptop: in here its better to quit voluntarely and get severance package. I wanted to test my wings in non-phone releated field for a change.11:59
ZogG_laptopjonni: i hope opensource spirit is still in you :P12:00
ZogG_laptopwhere if not a secret12:00
djszapijonni: are you sure about the severance package?12:00
fluxI think it's better to get the package if you get a new job soon12:01
jonnialtough I landed in a commercial project that uses Qt, so I'm not totally abandoning Qt side yet.12:01
djszapiflux: well, I do not think it is hard to find a job if you are good, and even especially local.12:02
ZogG_laptopjonni: good :P12:02
djszapithat sounds like a good combination for employers.12:02
fluxdjszapi, well, sure, but then there are hundreds of other good people being released of their jobs as well ;)12:04
fluxbut I suppose it hasn't been that bad in Finland12:05
djszapiflux: well if you are not flexible do not be surprised :)12:05
djszapithere are quite a few companie hiring as hell.12:06
djszapialso, you can always contact ex-nokians and friends working for Intel, etc.12:06
djszapiit is a bit bad for foreigners as me, but it is not so much for locals as far as I heard.12:06
djszapialso, there is always remote work possible at Canonical, Blue Systems, etc etc12:07
chem|stZogG_laptop: and where do I get mplayer from12:07
ZogG_laptopchem|st: it's in repos and there are few versions on TMO12:08
chem|stI do see smplayer in my repos active but no mplayer12:08
ZogG_laptopchem|st: did you find link i sent you?12:08
chem|stZogG_laptop: yes12:08
ZogG_laptoplink me back12:08
ZogG_laptopi'll read it - it's in russian i think right?12:08
ZogG_laptopchem|st: he is saying he is using for harmattan12:10
ZogG_laptopchem|st: it's as well in description on site in english12:12
ZogG_laptopi just read now the original of his announcements where i got link :P12:12
chem|stZogG_laptop: a new frontend doesn't help the missing codecs?!12:16
ZogG_laptopit should12:17
ZogG_laptopchem|st: do you have additional gstream plugins?12:17
djszapichem|st: yeah, that would be a very odd design.12:17
ZogG_laptopchem|st: the ones we installed but native do not use them?12:18
ZogG_laptopand did you check the config of mplayer?12:18
chem|stZogG_laptop: does not play anything...12:19
chem|stmplayer plays fine from cli12:20
ZogG_laptopso it plays on mplayer but not on gui?12:21
chem|stand we still do not have codecs for videoplayer12:22
ZogG_laptopand no setting in gui? i think gui just uses it's own parameters and doesn't give a damn about settings u have12:22
ZogG_laptopthere are two options, or to find where and switch/change12:22
ZogG_laptopor to contact dev12:22
ZogG_laptopi think you may report bug to him and he may fix it12:23
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chem|stmmh now it plays...12:25
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ZogG_laptopchem|st: plays everything stock doesn't?12:28
ZogG_laptopbut it doesn't have hardware acceleraton you now like stock one, so it might be laggy :P12:29
ZogG_laptopchem|st: there is no way to use it as it closed :P12:32
ZogG_laptopand jonni left nokia so no one to leak the source :P12:32
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chem|stZogG_laptop: that is why I wanted to have stock player have codecs available12:39
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djszapi~seen qwazix12:47
infobotqwazix <> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 6d 14h 16m 39s ago, saying: 'g'night'.12:47
ZogG_laptopchem|st: you can't have both :P12:49
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djszapirZr: so what is it your raspberry pi?13:41
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rZrdjszapi, in my neigbour's appartement but she's seems on holydays too ...13:54
djszapirZr: why in the neighbour? :/13:55
rZrdjszapi, i wasnt home so ups gave it to her13:55
djszapirZr: why not to the company?13:55
rZrdjszapi, better than returned it where it came...13:55
djszapiwell, company works fine during the daytime.13:55
djszapiunless someone is remote worker.13:55
rZrthey came 3 times13:56
rZrwell i might retrieve it next monday13:56
djszapiI always found that company the most appropriate for deliverie.13:56
rZryou mean your work place ?13:57
djszapithey are open during the daytime, and usually people visit them so it looks the best solution to me.13:58
rZryes I thought about that too13:58
rZrbut that time I thought it will be faster :)13:58
djszapiit is not the matter of time ;)13:59
djszapiit is just the matter of where you get.13:59
djszapiyou are too dependent on other people if it does not come to the company reception.13:59
rZrbut didnt you change the workplace ?13:59
rZrit might be arrived to your prev job ?13:59
djszapias you may remember, Tom was asking for new addresses on the mailing list.14:00
djszapibut relocation would not have helped with neighbour either anyways ;)14:00
ZogG_laptoprZr: sup14:01
ZogG_laptoprZr: tell djszapi it might bring him a lot of contribution —
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rZrdjszapi, I gave my friend's company address as replacement address but it has been ignored14:19
rZrZogG_laptop, funny
ZogG_laptoprZr: there was web page with whole qml14:43
ZogG_laptoprZr: that is neat!!!14:44
djszapirZr: I see.15:01
djszapirZr: why do you keep repeating snowshow?15:03
djszapiit is snowsho_e_.15:03
djszapirZr: you can tell to jukkaeklund it has been working for quite a while.15:03
djszapiHarmattan was the first mobile platform getting qt5 pakages.15:04
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rZrbut untested ?15:07
djszapirZr: huh?15:07
djszapiwhat untested?15:07
djszapiI worked closely with upstream to make it work15:08
djszapione client of those:
djszapishould work15:08
djszapiwhat bug are you hitting?15:08
rZryes i read it15:08
rZri havent tested it ... never  assume there are none15:08
djszapiwe can fix if you find one.15:08
djszapieven the qml component gallery works.15:09
rZranyway this is a great achievement15:09
djszapiwhich heavily uses it.15:09
djszapithere are two issues essentially about the components.15:09
rZrtell me ?15:09
djszapiorientation plugin - replacement of context kit15:09
djszapiand the other is the screen issue15:09
djszapithe Screen component is unrecognized for some reason.15:10
djszapiI am currently working on fixing them.15:10
djszapiand then it should be fairly simple to port qtquick1 applications to qtquick2.15:10
djszapipretty much bumping the import from 1.X to 2.015:10
djszapione sed command, that.15:10
rZrI will try that on redak15:11
rZri must publish my symbian port too15:12
djszapigood luck :15:14
djszapirZr: you like it?15:16
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rZrwell this is weird but funny15:18
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rZrhere is the ghost of itsnotabigtruck15:19
djszapirZr: well do not bother him. Perhaps itsnotabigtruck is now writing nice metro applications :-)15:20
rZrlike wpinception15:20
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jonniI made a small tutorial howto get 256MB more ram in your N9 ->    (only for advanced users, you will brick your device if your not carefull) :)15:47
djszapijonni: what is new about it?15:47
djszapithere has been an ovi store application for quite a some time ;)15:47
djszapiat least for half a year, but I bet it is even more.15:48
djszapiyou just essentially need to push a button which takes care of this.15:48
jonnidjszapi: oh has there been, it turns the unused 450MB mtd partition as swap. Atleast I havent seen such an app in ovi store since it needs tcb-sign capa? :)15:48
djszapiwell, no.15:49
djszapithere was an application in ovi store. I could potentially look up in the log.15:49
jonniturning off ramz app might have been earlier15:49
jonnibut not the instructions to turn ramz from ram to mtd partition15:50
djszapibut I know that 256 MB sparing was possible.15:50
djszapior even more. I did not thrive into this deeply.15:50
djszapiI will check my log out later.15:50
djszapiyeah, that application was totally legit :)15:51
djszapino inception and other hacks.15:51
djszapiso something that end users could trust more etc.15:52
djszapihow much does it matter?15:53
djszapiif it is put to mtd or not.15:53
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jonnidjszapi: in ram system starts paging files to ramz after 768MB is full, with mtd is starts to paging after 1024MB is full, so basicly you can use 256MB more ram before system starts to slow down due to swapping.15:55
jonniif you only use couple apps at a time and never use more than 512mb ram, it doesnt matter at all, it only starts to affect if you use multiple apps, or apps that eat memory like mad ie browsers15:56
djszapiyes, but those applications will eat up the addition 256 MB as well, no?15:57
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djszapirZr: could you please give a link to the Qt5 development thread?15:58
djszapiinto the tmo thread where you posted a reply to mikecomputing?15:58
ZogG_laptoprZr: there were rumors that djszapi hired hitman to solve inception problem15:58
djszapiwe should not have several separate threads for this.15:58
djszapione thread should be dedicated to the topic as ajalkane and others did.15:59
djszapiand we should send people in there for further discussion.15:59
djszapirZr: to this one specifically:
djszapipeople send people there for qt5 discussions, thanks.16:01
ZogG_laptopor do it yourself, make proper announce post16:03
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djszapirZr: you can also send them to my blog posts directly where I mentioned all these things very ell.16:04
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ZogG_laptopand redirect to his blog as well16:05
ZogG_laptophe is too busy and find TMO too stupid :)16:05
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: are you there?16:05
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ZogG_laptop~seen itsnotabigtruck16:29
infobotitsnotabigtruck is currently on #n9 (24m 31s) #harmattan (24m 31s), last said: 'this is just one in a long line of simple utility apps with price tags suddenly slapped on'.16:29
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lucidoqprocess works without problems in harmattan?17:07
rZri think so17:08
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djszapi|windowsyes, it does.17:09
djszapi|windowsalthough slightly differently as you would expect.17:09
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Sfiet_Konstantindjszapi|windows: what are the main diff ?17:20
djszapi|windowsSfiet_Konstantin: the runtime policy framework.17:20
Sfiet_Konstantinif I have the good Aegis credential it should work, right ?17:21
djszapi|windowswell if you have a credential to do something, then you have :)17:22
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bluesleerZr: i renamed the 42^infinity to Mee42, i am having problems with non available packages on harmattan, i am switching the tools so that it can also run on harmattan18:20
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bluesleerZr: if you wish you can package it and add it then to your repo, the same holds for SBM-EFA, i had no time to do the modifications yet18:22
ZogG_laptopblueslee: hey long time my friend :P18:22
bluesleeZogG_laptop: hi, how are you?18:23
ZogG_laptopmostly not bad18:23
bluesleedo you make progress concerning programming?18:24
bluesleeyou wrote a cloud app afair18:25
bluesleeone moment .. imgrup18:25
ZogG_laptopnot really had time18:25
ZogG_laptophope to play around rpi and if i get bb alpha device :P18:26
bluesleesame holds for me, i have ideas but no time:-)18:26
bluesleeZogG_laptop: i saw a prototyp of the next bb10 device this week:-)18:26
ZogG_laptopbut i have no skills as well18:26
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bluesleeZogG_laptop: the bb multitasking screen is more or less the same as of maemo/harmattan18:27
ZogG_laptopthey stold few swipe ideas18:27
ZogG_laptopand feed screen18:27
bluesleeZogG_laptop: the ui looks a lot as harmattan18:28
bluesleemaybe the licensed it, who knows18:28
bluesleeZogG_laptop: i have to dive into mee42 now, see
bluesleeZogG_laptop: hopefully taixzo implements it into saera so that we can all profit from it18:30
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ZogG_laptopblueslee: not bad18:35
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djszapi|windowsrZr: what is the situation about gtk2?19:24
djszapi|windowson Harmattan for sure. :-)19:25
rZrit was building fine in the repo you discarded19:25
djszapi|windowsrZr: so no any progress on the stable variant?19:25
rZri dont think i will focus on it , since noone seemed to have lot of interest into it19:26
rZrdjszapi, btw cobs is building a lot so i let it for others , will trigger some builds once it is idling19:28
rZrthey did it19:28
rZrdjszapi, do u have interest into nemo/mer ?19:29
rZrdjszapi, same version ?19:32
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ZogG_laptoprZr: they have systemd, so why u shocked about emacs :P19:58
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ZogG_laptoprZr:  someone connected rpi to motorolalap dock :P20:50
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djszapi|windowsrZr: no, I do not have interest in mer/nemo, I am afraid.21:24
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rZrZogG_laptop, this makes a ARM lappy21:51
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ZogG_laptoprZr: exactly :P22:29
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djszapi|windowsbeford: yo22:48
befordhey djszapi|windows22:55
ZogG_laptopbeford: *wink*22:57
befordhey ZogG_laptop, going to bbjam right? get me a bb10 device please :322:58
djszapi|windowsbeford: I can give you one.22:58
djszapi|windowsif you make a decent contribution for KDE. :-)22:58
befordI use gnome :/22:59
ZogG_laptopwhy he has to be always such a smartass?22:59
ZogG_laptopbeford: not sure if i get one22:59
ZogG_laptopi think to buy playbook there if they have USA prices and discounts :P22:59
djszapi|windowsbeford: ok, this program is mostly for kde contribution.22:59
befordI wouldn't really know where to contribute for KDE23:00
befordZogG_laptop: that's ok I was kidding :P you are going with MohammadAG right? that's cool23:00
ZogG_laptopi have answer but i wouldn't say, i have device but u can't have it, why the hell why it would interest us that u have if u can share :P23:00
ZogG_laptopbeford: yup23:00
ZogG_laptopi'm sure he gets one :P23:00
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befordyea, did you apply for one too?23:11
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beforddjszapi|windows: i'm trying to show a feedback on the screen where the finger is pressed on the screen, is that possible?23:13
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ZogG_laptopbeford: yap23:13
ZogG_laptopwouldn't know till october23:13
djszapi|windowsbeford: what feedback exactly?23:14
ZogG_laptopbeford: qml?23:14
befordyea in QML, well just some small circle to show where the click event ocurred would be ok23:15
ZogG_laptopbeford: try to check venemo's game code23:16
ZogG_laptophe uses multitouch to rotate puzzles23:16
befordbut I wanted to implement it in the QML Page, and still be able to see click events on controls on top of it23:16
ZogG_laptopi bet he uses it to understan which one to move/rotate23:16
befordok I'll see that23:16
djszapi|windowsbeford: see what?23:17
ZogG_laptophe ignores me23:17
befordsome app by Venemo that could be doing what I need23:17
ZogG_laptopbeford: talk to me without highlight23:17
djszapi|windowsbeford: none of Venemo's applications know that.23:17
djszapi|windowsbeford: actually, I cannot think of any applications doing that right now.23:17
djszapi|windowsexcept the bootup screen.23:18
ZogG_laptophe would think you getting crazy23:18
ZogG_laptopbeford: just check the code :P23:18
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jonnibeford:  thats example code that draws circles under you touch events23:21
djszapi|windowsbeford: perhaps I could implement this with the qt-components out of the box.23:28
befordsomething like this is what I try to achieve23:31
befordthanks jonni I will check23:31
djszapi|windowsrZr: you can check the "Hello Qt5" example by the way.23:33
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