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| gabriel9 | guys and girls, is there some tutorial for tabbed interface? | 00:07 |
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| gabriel9 | and should i use initialPage with tabbed interface | 00:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | tabbed interfacE? | 00:11 |
| gabriel9 | window with tabs: on toolbar i have tab1, tab2 etc | 00:12 |
| gabriel9 | and they show tabs(windows) | 00:12 |
| gabriel9 | pardon me, i meant pages | 00:12 |
| gabriel9 | :) | 00:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | oh | 00:13 |
| gabriel9 | we need more tutorials :/ | 00:14 |
| javispedro | who was it that was working with gtk+ on harmattan? | 00:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | gabriel9: get inception 0.1.1 | 00:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | as to the gtk+, no idea :( | 00:17 |
| gabriel9 | i had it installed, but still did not use it :/ | 00:17 |
| gabriel9 | when i finish this project i will have more time, and finally finish all plans with N9 | 00:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | ZogG_laptop, redesigning mwkn.net? | 00:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | itsnotabigtruck, huh, wasn't coming up on google. | 00:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | gabriel9: well, load up opensh and aegisctl | 00:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | GeneralAntilles: yes | 00:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | gabriel9: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-components-symbian/qml-page.html | 00:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | ZogG_laptop, Tim did a new design, I started integrating it. | 00:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it's in limbo right now until one of us finds time to finish integrating it. | 00:22 |
| gabriel9 | i'm sorry, i http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt-components/qt-components-meego-pagestackwindow.html?tab=3&q=PageStackWindow | 00:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and do something involving mountpoints, kernel modules, vpns, the notification led, chroot environments, global filesystem write access, setuid/gid, signon credentials, aegis-certman certificates, ... | 00:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | all of the above :p | 00:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | GeneralAntilles: good | 00:23 |
| gabriel9 | heh, i will :) | 00:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | thnks | 00:23 |
| gabriel9 | will N9 upgrade to QT5 ? | 00:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | gabriel9: there is repo but officially not likely | 00:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | unleast nokia would decide to make other qt5 phone and use n9 as test platform(logicaly) | 00:25 |
| gabriel9 | that nokia don't know what they have: QT and GNU/Linux kernel | 00:25 |
| gabriel9 | and with that two they can do anything | 00:25 |
| gabriel9 | i'm no expert in Linux or QT but i see how much potential is there | 00:26 |
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| ZogG_laptop | too little too late | 00:26 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | it would be nice if one of the gui file managers added full filesystem access support through inception | 00:26 |
| gabriel9 | that would be nice | 00:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | provide normal access by default, provide an option to activate root access and prompt for the root password | 00:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | i hope it would be more promoted with rasberry and playbook support =) | 00:27 |
| gabriel9 | anyone have rasberry? | 00:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | thus enabling the dac_override capability and ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL | 00:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3h8ZnXLsRg | 00:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: i think filebox had it for maemo, talk to dev. he may do it | 00:27 |
| gabriel9 | nice, you play ME :) | 00:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nah, though i ought to | 00:28 |
| gabriel9 | we need to port ME to N9 XD | 00:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i need to pick up me1&2 when they go cheap on sale again | 00:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that said, EA is teh evil, and also i already have enough unplayed rpgs queued up | 00:28 |
| gabriel9 | well you can always buy used | 00:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | ME? | 00:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i game on the pc, used games don't really exist | 00:29 |
| gabriel9 | and yes, EA is pure shit | 00:29 |
| gabriel9 | Mass Effect | 00:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but steam sale prices are cheaper than anything for consoles ever | 00:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | dont you enjoy real golf | 00:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | re raspberry pi...pretty much no one does | 00:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | at this point it's vaporware | 00:29 |
| gabriel9 | i don't know i buy used games from some dudes | 00:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i mean, it exists, but lead times these days are on the order of 4 to 6 months from what i heard | 00:29 |
| javispedro | itsnotabigtruck: used to think the same, but they have already promised shipping starts tomorrow | 00:29 |
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| gabriel9 | 4-6 months, omg, they ship it from Mars | 00:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | i don't play on PC i have PS3 with few games | 00:30 |
| gabriel9 | i have XBOX360 and PC | 00:30 |
| gabriel9 | but, i like more PX | 00:30 |
| gabriel9 | PC | 00:30 |
| javispedro | actually, "your Raspberry Pis are arriving tomorrow" | 00:30 |
| javispedro | https://twitter.com/#!/Raspberry_Pi | 00:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | worldwide? | 00:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | filebox is closed source :( | 00:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also the UI is suffering from font problems | 00:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: there are 2 normal filemanagers on N( check second one | 00:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://n9-apps.com/app-images/filebox_screen1_f3t7imkl33z5_portrait.png < if your app uses that font, it's not OK | 00:31 |
| gabriel9 | well i use terminal for files | 00:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | file manager (beta) seems no longer to be developed and it got pulled from ovi for some reason | 00:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm not sure there's any others | 00:32 |
| gabriel9 | if i learn how to create windows and pages i will create one :D | 00:32 |
| gabriel9 | offtopic: did anyone see this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_H3uWLW3N4 | 00:33 |
| gabriel9 | ME 3 endings, i did not play it but people says it sucks | 00:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | where i even can order raspberry? | 00:33 |
| gabriel9 | they use third party companies for that | 00:34 |
| gabriel9 | i have links on the job :/ | 00:34 |
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| ZogG_laptop | where are worldwide sales avilable? | 00:34 |
| gabriel9 | twitt them :) | 00:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | i can't tweet anyone who doesn't follow me | 00:35 |
| gabriel9 | use the force: @ | 00:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | they can't see my msgs man | 00:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they can | 00:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but they won't necessarily pay any attention to them | 00:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but this seems like a mundane question, why would you tweet them about that | 00:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | no they can i have private account | 00:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | take the initiative and find it yourself | 00:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and make your twitter account non-private, private twitter defeats the entire point | 00:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that said i kinda dislike twitter for that very reason, it's turned into something entirely about broadcasting stuff to people | 00:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | no it's not | 00:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | twitter is more like TV than IM | 00:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | that's the point | 00:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | i don't want everyone to see shit i write | 00:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no, originally it was about talking about stuff you're doing with your friends, now it's about celebrities being about to blast out what they're doing | 00:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | without having to be arsed to read anything they get back | 00:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's one-way communication | 00:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and that's bad | 00:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | thats true | 00:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | anyway night for now | 00:39 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | are there any file managers besides those 2? | 00:39 |
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| bipt | how is the n9 / meego harmattan wrt software freedom? | 00:47 |
| bipt | i know that some applications are non-free; what about the rest of the system? and are there repositories of free software available (like f-droid)? | 00:48 |
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| rzr | bipt, yes i manage a repo of all opensource software | 00:54 |
| rzr | bipt, there are many other repos too | 00:54 |
| bipt | rzr, how about the kernel, drivers, etc.? for example, would it be theoretically possible to do a community edition without non-free nokia apps? | 00:56 |
| rzr | yes you're looking for nemo mobile | 00:57 |
| bipt | i've read a bit about alternative OSes (nemo mobile, nitdroid) but it's not entirely clear to me what their status is | 00:57 |
| rzr | nitdroid is in early stage | 00:57 |
| rzr | but it ships the unfree gapps | 00:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'll never understand "Free Software" fanaticism | 01:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the ability to customize the system is nice, and unfortunately many of the packages one would want to customize are closed source | 01:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but not that many people actually appear to care about that, they only want open source on philosophical grounds | 01:03 |
| * javispedro suddenly grows a stallman beard | 01:04 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, bipt: in general, core system stuff is open source, GUI stuff is not | 01:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's nothing wrong with either pragmatism or purism per-se. | 01:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's a few core system things that are closed source, like cellular services daemon | 01:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and there's a few gui things that are open source like the settings app | 01:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but that rule mostly holds | 01:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | But if you're not willing to stick to principles then it's unlikely that change will ever come. | 01:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you can download an iso image with all the open source packages (in theory) in pr1.2 | 01:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | as for repos of open source packages, well, apps for meego sort of aimed for that goal | 01:05 |
| rzr | itsnotabigtruck> i'll never understand "Free Software" fanaticism | 01:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | unfortunately very few devs are adopting it, even if they release their software as oss | 01:05 |
| rzr | well i think we should care more of that | 01:05 |
| javispedro | or change will come, but in the wrong direction (e.g. harmattan being actually more closed than fremantle, if counted by num of packages) | 01:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | part of the problem seems to be a significant degree of complexity + few people are passionate enough to get through that complexity (which really isn't that bad) | 01:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | when ovi store and/or tmo posts are "good enough" | 01:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also apps for meego has some severe bugs and usability issues so that isn't helping | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, is there a Cool New Version of sowatch available that's more awesome than the one I have from a few months ago? | 01:06 |
| rzr | what about pr1.3 news ? | 01:07 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: nope | 01:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, suck! | 01:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | speaking of that javispedro: what happened to putting sowatch and whatnot in afm | 01:07 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: though with the uncool version you can do very cool things, I had hacked some speedometer & odometer | 01:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i didn't even hear about it until very recently because it was only visible in a forgotten FMC thread | 01:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that got bumped the other day | 01:08 |
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| javispedro | as I said on that bump, I think it misses a UI before AFM | 01:09 |
| * DocScrutinizer is amazed about javispedro's self control | 01:09 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | who says it has to have a UI? | 01:10 |
| javispedro | the shitload of mails I get asking me how to get this to work, turning out they put MY watch's MAC in the config file instead of theirs | 01:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heh | 01:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ok, fair enough | 01:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | might be a good idea to post a TMO thread though since FMC is, for all intents and purposes, dead | 01:11 |
| javispedro | I had even implemented a IPC protocol based on qtmobility's service fw and a trivial UI | 01:11 |
| javispedro | but it turned out qtmobility servicefw is unusable, as it crashes when you try to pass anything slightly complex, like a QVariantMap | 01:11 |
| javispedro | spent like a few weeks trying to debug that because I had not the PR1.2 source for qt-mob.. | 01:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heh | 01:12 |
| javispedro | also, instead of reusing the nice qtdbus wrappers and marshallers, they also just qdatastream << everything and pass a dbus array of bytes, a _sickness_ that is pretty much common to a lot of harmattan components | 01:13 |
| javispedro | (but not maliit, I must thank mikhas for that...) | 01:13 |
| javispedro | (mostly because I promised him I would do that, but didn't =) ) | 01:14 |
| bipt | itsnotabigtruck, i also want free software for security reasons (avoiding stuff like carrier iq) | 01:14 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: as usual, the PR1.3 will now come tomorrow, a day after the release of MWKN =) | 01:15 |
| bipt | it sounds like meego harmattan is about as free as android (*all* phones require some non-free drivers afaict), so i may get an n9 and put up with the non-free components for the time being | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: (sickness) sure, that's exactly the spirit of maemo since ever. Keep in as opaque as possible - *our* receivers _know_ how to deal with this byte dump | 01:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | bipt: well, way more of the android UI is open source | 01:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | android phones in practice do often come with a lot more antifeatures than harmattan | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: see missing introspection on virtually all maemo stuff | 01:16 |
| rm_work | ah man, i should probably upgrade out of the beta firmware that shipped on the N950 >_> | 01:16 |
| rm_work | still never even went to PR1.2 | 01:16 |
| bipt | itsnotabigtruck, does nemo mobile not provide alternatives yet? | 01:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but harmattan does have some dodgy stuff, liek sending out an SMS when you first boot up with a SIM | 01:16 |
| bipt | for core functionality like phone calls, sms, camera | 01:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and sending your imei and/or imsi to nokia and remembering it together with your nokia account | 01:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and forcing you to log into a nokia account for certain apps that have no business requiring that | 01:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | afaik nemo isn't a real alternative and never will be | 01:17 |
| rm_work | you can kill the SMS by touching some "cherry" file on the filesystem, no? | 01:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | however nitdroid might become one soon, then you're back to android though | 01:18 |
| javispedro | ? | 01:18 |
| javispedro | mer is more than an alternative, specially if you consider nitdroid one | 01:18 |
| javispedro | because nitdroid basically _reuses_ the mer telephony stack | 01:18 |
| rm_work | is Mer known as Nemo now? | 01:18 |
| rzr | ofono | 01:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | afaik mer = core os, nemo = gui stuff for mer | 01:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | both stem off the meego work | 01:18 |
| rm_work | ah | 01:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mer has active development because it's going into that kde spark tablet | 01:18 |
| bipt | there is also SHR but they use FSO and haven't ported anything to n9 yet afaict | 01:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nemo is "let's go continue meego!" and it's not going anywhere and has no apps | 01:19 |
| rm_work | is Stskeeps still involved with Mer? | 01:19 |
| javispedro | itsnotabigtruck: has the same apps as harmattan | 01:19 |
| javispedro | still none, but hey :) | 01:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 01:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's the thing though, harmattan has some rather top notch built-in apps | 01:20 |
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| faenil | itsnotabigtruck, since veskuh stopped working for nemo there has been a drastic decrease in commitment :( | 01:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | closed source :( but functional | 01:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nemo requires an impossible amount of work replacing all thaty | 01:20 |
| faenil | i.e since Nokia stopped supporting nemo | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | bipt: (SHR porting to N9) highly unlikely this will ever happen | 01:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's not good...though i wasn't aware nokia was supporting it in the first place, since a lot of the work is basically re-engineering harmattan | 01:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if they wanted to support nemo why didn't they open source the gui apps they're abandoning with harmattan anyway | 01:21 |
| faenil | itsnotabigtruck, afaik there was only veskuh working on it from Nokia | 01:21 |
| faenil | and he's not in Nokia anymore | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | bipt: and what do you mean by "BUT they use fso..."? | 01:22 |
| faenil | since then, Nemo's chat is 2% | 01:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, that's not good to hear | 01:22 |
| faenil | I coded that little simple image viewer for Nemo, don't know if you're tried it | 01:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | as much as i was just talking down nemo, if it did turn into a real alternative that would be awesome | 01:22 |
| faenil | but stopped working on it when I saw the env was quiet | 01:22 |
| faenil | you've* | 01:23 |
| bipt | DocScrutinizer, i mean i assume that's part of the reason it's nontrivial to port | 01:23 |
| faenil | itsnotabigtruck, and I agree | 01:23 |
| rzr | do u have an idea on how many users installed nemo ? | 01:23 |
| faenil | nope... | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, I blame Jaffa. | 01:24 |
| faenil | I really like Nemo because I like the fact that if you don't like an app or you want to add something, you just take the code and modify it | 01:25 |
| faenil | the idea was to replace all apps with qml ones | 01:25 |
| faenil | w00t coded a file manager | 01:26 |
| faenil | someone coded qml calendar, I did that (sort of a) image viewer | 01:26 |
| faenil | but there is a strong need :) anyone who wants to spend some of his time coding those apps? :) | 01:27 |
| javispedro | I hate GUIs | 01:27 |
| rzr | i'll have to rebuild that text editor too | 01:27 |
| javispedro | *developing | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | But GUIs have nothing but good things to say about you. | 01:27 |
| javispedro | And QML has done nothing in that regard sadly | 01:27 |
| faenil | javispedro, what do you mean? | 01:28 |
| rzr | qml is good for writing portable linux drivers ... | 01:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 01:28 |
| faenil | lol | 01:28 |
| rzr | =-) | 01:28 |
| javispedro | rzr: wait a few years and we will see javascript drivers =) | 01:28 |
| rzr | i read that google is doing some kind of crap | 01:28 |
| javispedro | faenil: that I still think of writing UIs as pain | 01:28 |
| rzr | for printers | 01:28 |
| rzr | or scanners | 01:29 |
| javispedro | faenil: even when using QML (not saying it is the bad direction) | 01:29 |
| rzr | before the page get scanned the whole book is clouded on google disks | 01:29 |
| faenil | javispedro, qml1 has some limitation, but it's a nice thing... | 01:30 |
| faenil | I think the problem is having someone create graphics with photoshop or something | 01:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what do you mean | 01:32 |
| javispedro | faenil: have you seen the meegotouch control panel "declarative" thing? | 01:32 |
| faenil | javispedro, nope, only used "crossplatform" qml | 01:33 |
| javispedro | actually, they call it declarative, but its not qml | 01:33 |
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| faenil | I see... | 01:33 |
| javispedro | (looking for the link...) | 01:33 |
| faenil | :) | 01:33 |
| javispedro | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/platform-api-reference/xml/daily-docs/libduicontrolpanel/declarativeplugins.html | 01:33 |
| javispedro | that is now a true declarative UI language :) | 01:34 |
| javispedro | sadly, it is very, very, very constrained and not generic purpose | 01:34 |
| faenil | how is that better than qml? | 01:36 |
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| javispedro | not saying it is better, because it is not general purpose -- and thus it is unfair to compare | 01:38 |
| javispedro | but some day there shall be a truly declarative language that can actually work like this for more cases | 01:39 |
| faenil | javispedro, but you like it more it seems... | 01:39 |
| javispedro | it is extremely portable, little verbose, very easy to learn and to code for, will be natively themed no matter what the platform is, and needs no gigantic ScriptEngine/V8 runtime | 01:40 |
| faenil | not that little verbose :D | 01:41 |
| javispedro | touché, XML is to be avoided, QML got that right :) ) | 01:42 |
| faenil | :) | 01:42 |
| faenil | I find qml to be very good, the problem is it still lacks lots of components, and it sometimes behaves in weird ways... | 01:43 |
| faenil | like, how the hell is it possible that there is no GestureArea (which is an "experimental" component) and no Touch or TapArea ?? | 01:44 |
| faenil | I mean, there's no way to recognize a double tap! | 01:44 |
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| javispedro | meh | 01:44 |
| faenil | you have to do that yourself! | 01:44 |
| faenil | doubleClick will only work if you hit in the same spot, which rarely happens when tapping | 01:45 |
| javispedro | and no way to have a Row that turns into a column when portrait either, and to center stuff on a Grid cell you have to wrap your items into other items.. | 01:45 |
| javispedro | I could go on all day with nitpickings =) | 01:45 |
| faenil | :) | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: http://www.ti.com/lit/ug/swcu050g/swcu050g.pdf p.848 | 01:46 |
| faenil | you could actually code a component that does the row/column thing easily :) | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems to su | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | err ECHAN | 01:46 |
| javispedro | yep :) | 01:46 |
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| faenil | javispedro, so how's the SSD? :) | 01:52 |
| javispedro | well, working well so far :) | 01:52 |
| javispedro | I can still faintly hear something that resembles the hard disk drive noise and that is clearly correlated with HDD activity though... | 01:52 |
| faenil | aahahah | 01:52 |
| javispedro | either I'm getting crazy or it does make a faint noise | 01:53 |
| faenil | XD | 01:53 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: maybe it's power usage related | 02:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | a lot of laptops have dodgy power circuitry that generates noise under load | 02:07 |
| javispedro | (or lack of load) | 02:07 |
| javispedro | but that is usually a buzzing, mosquito like sound | 02:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, that too | 02:08 |
| ieatlint | could also be the system bus... i've had motherboards where it generated enough interference that speakers and headphones would play a slight whine at times | 02:08 |
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| ieatlint | directly correlated to my hdd or network use | 02:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | fwiw i've heard no noise from my t400 with intel 320 inside | 02:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | except fan related | 02:08 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: intriguing | 02:08 |
| ieatlint | annoying, actually | 02:09 |
| ieatlint | if the speakers/headphones were playing music or anything you never heard it.. but otherwise.. | 02:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm glad i got the 160 gig...i'm already down to 40 gigs free | 02:09 |
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| faenil | javispedro, ieatlint it's a known issue of integrated audiocards :) | 02:09 |
| ieatlint | faenil: i'm not surprised somehow :) | 02:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | *it's a known issue of badly integrated audio chips | 02:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it means they screwed up and there's crosstalk or something | 02:10 |
| javispedro | it's not a whining, more like a rattling noise, it sounds actually very much like a HDD head | 02:10 |
| ieatlint | i suppose it could be power and not system bus.. somehow i assumed system bus, although i don't have a coherent reason why now | 02:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | integrated audio doesn't have to suck | 02:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it just often does | 02:10 |
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| faenil | itsnotabigtruck, it does on highend motherboards as well... | 02:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw faenil ieatlint: inception 0.1.1 out, upgrade if you've installed today's developer mode update | 02:10 |
| faenil | lol | 02:11 |
| ieatlint | will look at it later... i'm stuck going to a marketing event tonight | 02:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's a quick fix to avert the removal of chroot access from unsigned apps that came with that update | 02:11 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=JJKC6otXxeU#t=170s | 02:23 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ~inception | 02:30 |
| infobot | <a href="http://inception.davepedu.com/">BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH</a>, or how you own your phone (see #inception): https://endno.de/~itsnotabigtruck/inception/ | 02:30 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | wow, it got really quiet really quickly | 02:46 |
| faenil | :) | 02:50 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | faenil: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=JJKC6otXxeU#t=170s | 02:54 |
| faenil | itsnotabigtruck, what's that piece about? | 02:59 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | faenil: hm? it's just a mashup of some mass effect scene and skrillex, lol | 03:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw what apps do you guys like...post them here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83689 | 03:04 |
| faenil | itsnotabigtruck, oh ok lol | 03:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-lumia-610-nfc-official-11222357/ that lumia doesn't actually look too bad | 03:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not as good as the 800 or 900 though, and in any case it still has wp7 under the hood :/ | 03:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.xda-developers.com/feature/enjoying-chevron-say-goodbye-to-your-developer-unlock/ | 03:34 |
| faenil | yeah | 03:35 |
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| wook | mrst.c is related to events? | 04:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | wook: mrst.c? in which program? | 04:27 |
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| wook | in kernel though | 04:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no idea | 04:30 |
| wook | huh, it generates events, such as proximity sensor, camera cover, slider, keys.... | 04:30 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | Anyone have a suggestion as to which software i should use to create boot animations for N9? | 10:42 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | I have an idea for an app | 12:08 |
| beford | draw something | 12:08 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Spot on:P | 12:09 |
| MFaro-Tusino | haha | 12:09 |
| MFaro-Tusino | using dubs, create an app that runs on startup, so when holding vol+ in standby mode, camera opens, like on Belle FP1 and WP | 12:09 |
| beford | i think there is something like that already on the store, not sure if it works on standby mode though | 12:10 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | no, it only works to capture image | 12:14 |
| MFaro-Tusino | and app must be open first | 12:14 |
| beford | oh I see | 12:15 |
| MFaro-Tusino | i guess i could look at th source | 12:15 |
| beford | I believe thp is the author of one of them | 12:16 |
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| Khertan_Work | Morning | 12:20 |
| Khertan_Work | Question : when populating large text in a Qml TextArea, sometime, the OS ask if an application should be closed as it didn't respond, how i can avoid that, as the loading of the text is already done in a python thread, it s look like the problem is populating the qml textarea ? any idea ? | 12:22 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | Beford: Yes he is. Asked him but no reply yet | 12:26 |
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| faenil | hey guys anyone online? | 13:16 |
| faenil | need help with graphics... | 13:16 |
| faenil | I've got 3 frames alternating on my app, as if it was drawing the current frame, current-1, and current-2 | 13:16 |
| faenil | and it keeps drawing those 3 instead of only the current one | 13:16 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | can't you do a frameX and then after each load of the frame make x=x+1 ? | 13:53 |
| MFaro-Tusino | or something similar? | 13:53 |
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| phako | is there some canonical way to have the theme daemon rebuild its icon cache that will pass ovi QA or does a user need to live with that ugly red square? | 14:05 |
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| * SpeedEvil arghs at being unable to back out upgrades on android. | 14:20 | |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1193185&postcount=3 what the fsck | 14:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | apparently they deliberately excluded israeli maps from the list to appease middle eastern countries that'd rather it not have ever existed | 14:57 |
| X-Fade | Welcome to the problems big companies face when selling things in different markets. | 14:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | sort of...nokia seems to take that to a highly excessive extent | 14:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e.g. not ever numbering a product "4" because of chinese superstition | 14:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they produce an inferior product by trying to pander to everyone | 14:59 |
| X-Fade | No, it is usually the ISP etc. | 14:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the iphone 4 doesn't seem to be doing too badly in china | 14:59 |
| tehdely | so basically you need to flash with the right emmc to have israel maps | 15:00 |
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| tehdely | and can't actually download them through the uI | 15:00 |
| tehdely | brilliant | 15:00 |
| tehdely | how coudl this possibly go wrong | 15:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, apparently so | 15:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there might be a backdoor url to download the files also | 15:00 |
| X-Fade | Just flash an international variant? | 15:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i mean, it doesn't directly affect me, but that's just such a backwards arrangement | 15:00 |
| tehdely | i would almost think it should be the opposite | 15:01 |
| tehdely | israel is available unelss you have an EMEA phone... | 15:01 |
| tehdely | since the lion's share of countries that don't recognize its existence are in the middle east | 15:01 |
| tehdely | s/EMEA/ME/ | 15:01 |
| tehdely | EMEA obviouslyt oo wide an area | 15:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right, they could exclude it specifically in 006 firmware or something | 15:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway | 15:02 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | no news on pr1.3 today? :( | 15:02 |
| X-Fade | I say we need more variants :) | 15:02 |
| pa | :D | 15:02 |
| tehdely | i want a variant for people who don't recognize belgium | 15:03 |
| tehdely | it's such a made-up country | 15:03 |
| tehdely | give me the no belgium emmc! | 15:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh btw X-Fade: while you're here, i think the same thing that happened to ad-hac happened to mieru | 15:03 |
| tehdely | what happened to ad-hac | 15:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i.e. the promotion bot getting confused and making a mess of things with multiple versions in play | 15:03 |
| tehdely | ah | 15:03 |
| X-Fade | itsnotabigtruck: That is likely. The issue got fixed after these packages were submitted. | 15:03 |
| Khertan_Work | tehdely: belgium ... don't know. flaman land yes :) | 15:04 |
| tehdely | Khertan_Work: there should be a variant where wallonia is in france and flanders is in .nl | 15:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | X-Fade: well that's good | 15:05 |
| tehdely | and brussels has been erased from the map | 15:05 |
| tehdely | is it so much to ask | 15:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | direct intervention is probably required though to promote 2.2.29 over the old version that got promoted instead | 15:05 |
| Khertan_Work | :) | 15:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also it was a little bit different from ad-hac in that in this case the new version stayed in staging | 15:06 |
| X-Fade | itsnotabigtruck: Yeah, I guess I need to push it again. | 15:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | instead of disappearing entirely | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: :-) here you are | 15:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [general notice] There will be a Council meeting (IRC - #maemo-meeting) at 15:00 UTC on Tuesday April 17. <http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2012-April/005085.html> | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: would be nice to have you around there (you're chan owner) | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: somebody might need to update /topic, for instance | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe somebody can forward my comment to X-Fade - I guess I'm on his ignore | 15:10 |
| X-Fade | itsnotabigtruck: Pushed the newer version in. Will build now. | 15:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | X-Fade: cool :) if the issue's fixed now then i guess that's that | 15:12 |
| RST38h | OMG X-Fade is still alive and here | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: :-D | 15:13 |
| X-Fade | itsnotabigtruck: Yeah for new apps it is not a problem. Only ones that have existing QA going on. | 15:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | X-Fade: also, not sure if you're able to do anything about this, but it seems to be impossible to use OBS' auto-signing functionality for repos | 15:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | via osc signkey | 15:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (i'm guessing afm is using some arrangement other than OBS to do the signing) | 15:14 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, cobs has no signer. | 15:14 |
| X-Fade | So it can't sign repos :) | 15:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for some reason that didn't break on pr1.2 but it would still be desirable to be able to sign in order to ensure security and also allow defining aegis domains over built packages | 15:15 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | i.e. suppling users with a package that grants x, y, and z permissions to domain yharg which belongs to GPG key fingerprint f00df00df00d... | 15:16 |
| X-Fade | itsnotabigtruck: Everthing in afm is signed. | 15:17 |
| X-Fade | If it is published. | 15:17 |
| X-Fade | And it falls under the community-source-policy. | 15:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | X-Fade: right, but that doesn't do any good for things that afm doesn't allow, which is a lot of things | 15:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and the community-source-policy is limited to dev permissions only | 15:17 |
| X-Fade | itsnotabigtruck: We don't have cbd or whatever it is called :) So defining our own policies is not possible anyway? | 15:18 |
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| jonni | actually its limited to ovi permissions and not to dev permissions. | 15:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | X-Fade: cbd? anyway, you just throw some xml in a package and incept it | 15:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and that can then subset the full set of permissions, add a GPG key, and add an apt source entry | 15:20 |
| X-Fade | itsnotabigtruck: I wonder if that would still work in PR1.3. | 15:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | incept awesome-repo_1.0_all.deb and then it's all taken care of | 15:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i expect it to | 15:21 |
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| Khertan_Work | itsnotabigtruck: incept --fixallqmlproblem shitty.qml didn't works | 15:31 |
| Khertan_Work | incept isn't the answer to everythings | 15:31 |
| Khertan_Work | :) | 15:31 |
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| *** DocScrutinizer changes topic to "A place for harmattan device and development discussions | Customers help customers on #N9, hurry and you're the senior member | Please stay on topic and no NDA stuff here | Developers : http://library.developer.nokia.com/ | http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page | logs: http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/ | council meeting #maemo-meeting today 15:00 UTC" | 15:35 | |
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| RST38h | btw when installing latets developers update, latrace did not install | 15:37 |
| RST38h | complained about aegis permissiosn | 15:37 |
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| javispedro | so, timezone reality check, meeting starts in 2:10 hours? | 15:41 |
| RST38h | heya javispedro | 15:41 |
| javispedro | moo RST38h | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: in my book, yes | 15:41 |
| RST38h | what meeting? do we get to throw cobblestones? | 15:41 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Not sure what timezone you are in, but that can't be right. | 15:41 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: 2:18, yes. | 15:42 |
| javispedro | yep, 2:18, sorry :) | 15:42 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | lol Khertan_Work | 15:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, so X-Fade: how bad would it be to enable the signer | 15:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not sure how that component works | 15:55 |
| X-Fade | itsnotabigtruck: Need to look at that. Haven't worked with it yet. | 15:55 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ם. | 17:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | \o | 17:22 |
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| alterego | Harmattan on a wall: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/photos/DSC00485.JPG | 17:45 |
| alterego | :D | 17:45 |
| alterego | Anyway, I've got stuff to do ... | 17:45 |
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| Khertan_Work | wahou, there is many meego/ovistore warez site | 17:47 |
| Khertan_Work | i can found them only with the name of my apps | 17:47 |
| Khertan_Work | huhu | 17:47 |
| javispedro | alterego: looks kinda artistic =) | 17:47 |
| Khertan_Work | It s funny too see pirated version of application available for free in Apps4Meego :) | 17:50 |
| X-Fade | Well, then it is technically not really pirated :) | 17:51 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | lol alterego | 17:51 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: gpl violating ;P | 17:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also Khertan_Work: which apps...a few people have uploaded the same app for free to afm and for $$$ to ovi | 17:52 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Send them an email and ask for sources :) | 17:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | namely thp | 17:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, nm, i misread what you said | 17:52 |
| Khertan_Work | itsnotabigtruck: KhtSimpleText | 17:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i thought you were saying there were pirated versions of ovi apps in appsformeego :p | 17:52 |
| Khertan_Work | itsnotabigtruck: yep i ve done the same | 17:52 |
| Khertan_Work | itsnotabigtruck: no i said that stupid hacker pirate apps available for free in apps4meego by buying them on ovi and sharing them :) | 17:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol yeah | 17:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | X-Fade: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Signer | 17:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's the article on the obs signer...i'm not sure why the GPG setup instructions at the beginning are so complicated | 17:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it has you make a key with an RSA primary and RSA, DSA, and ElGamal secondaries and i can't imagine why one would want that | 17:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'd imagine just an RSA primary is needed and that's it (for signing) | 17:54 |
| X-Fade | itsnotabigtruck: Yeah, setting up keys is not the problem. | 17:54 |
| Khertan_Work | itsnotabigtruck: now it could be funny to use inception to add some value to deb before sending a new version to this warez board | 17:55 |
| Khertan_Work | :) | 17:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Khertan_Work: some value? | 17:55 |
| Khertan_Work | :) you understand ;) | 17:55 |
| X-Fade | It is just that I need to setup a secure vm for it and configure the service. We don't want all the private keys to leak out of course. | 17:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | has anyone figured out a way to get source packages out of qt creator | 17:57 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | that's the #1 thing that's slowing afm down | 17:57 |
| pa | is there any user from norway in here, by the way? :) | 17:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | everyone is using qt creator and it doesn't have a push button way to produce what obs needs | 17:57 |
| X-Fade | itsnotabigtruck: dpkg-buildpackage -S was so easy :( | 17:57 |
| javispedro | there's a obs qt creator plugin.. | 17:58 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | it's easy for people using scratchbox and traditional packaging but those are a tiny minority | 17:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there is? | 17:58 |
| pa | yeah, i should start with it | 17:58 |
| pa | qtcreator is so limited | 17:58 |
| Khertan_Work | python setup.py sdist_maemo | 17:58 |
| Khertan_Work | .... :) | 17:58 |
| javispedro | :) | 17:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if there's a plugin or some other easy way to do it | 17:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | why hasn't that been publicised to the max | 17:58 |
| * Khertan_Work love russian captcha ... oh did i enter those caracters using my latin keyboard | 17:59 | |
| Khertan_Work | huhu | 17:59 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | because that's never been mentioned here before and that's a main cause for the reluctance to use OBS and AFM | 18:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (dammit, i hate that moment where you know the perfect word for a situation but can't remember it) | 18:00 |
| pa | shouldnt we make a nice neat interface to package for harmattan? :) | 18:01 |
| pa | like a little pyqt tool or something like that | 18:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e.g. we need to get emumaster into afm | 18:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and all the other popular open source ovi apps | 18:01 |
| X-Fade | itsnotabigtruck: Yeah, it is a bit of a learning curve. | 18:02 |
| Khertan_Work | pa: there is sdist_maemo for packaging python apps :) | 18:03 |
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| Khertan_Work | pa: but no gui | 18:03 |
| Khertan_Work | pa: base distutils well know of python devel | 18:03 |
| Khertan_Work | s/base/based on | 18:03 |
| pa | Khertan_Work, ah really? i was using pyside assistant for python, so far, but it packages in a wrong way | 18:04 |
| pa | i can try that one :) | 18:04 |
| pa | thanks! | 18:04 |
| Khertan_Work | pa: and pyside assitant isn't working on device :) | 18:04 |
| jkt | is there a system way of getting crash reports from my application? | 18:04 |
| Khertan_Work | pa: anyway it s maybe not perfect, but it s what i use ;) | 18:04 |
| jkt | I've read https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTCREATORBUG-3728?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:worklog-tabpanel, but it's rather spartan on further details | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | Council meeting (IRC - #maemo-meeting) NOW | 18:04 |
| pa | i try to install it, is it in standard ubuntu universe? | 18:04 |
| Khertan_Work | pa: there is also pypackager for harmattan which can create source and deb on device | 18:05 |
| Khertan_Work | pa: no, not in ubuntu ;) it s in my home obs or github | 18:05 |
| pa | ah :) | 18:05 |
| pa | ok so i google for it | 18:05 |
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| Khertan_Work | pa: http://khertan.net/PyPackager | 18:06 |
| Khertan_Work | pa: http://khertan.net/sdist_maemo | 18:06 |
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| sledges | hello | 18:10 |
| sledges | anyone else suffering with PR1.2's Gtalk Video Plugin dropouts?.. | 18:11 |
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| trx | Does anyone have any idea when will appsformeego accept applications with libraries(non-standard)? how do people distribute their applications atm? | 18:13 |
| Khertan_Work | trx: idea create an installer to install external dependancies ? :) | 18:15 |
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| trx | thats a good idea, but i dont know if people will like that | 18:16 |
| jkt | so I'm getting this message when trying to install libc6-dbg (which is a pre-requisite of valgrind) on my N950 PR1.2: depends libc6 (= 2.10-0maemo18.1+0m6) but 2.10-0maemo20+0m7 is to be installed | 18:18 |
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| jkt | what shall I do to fix that? | 18:18 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | trx: the normal procedure is to slam everything into one package | 18:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not pretty, i know | 18:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's even less pretty because AfM not only restricts your dependencies, but your buildependencies | 18:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so you can't do any neat tricks like e.g. build-depending on the packages you need, and copying their files from the system into your package during the build | 18:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's a severe problem | 18:24 |
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| trx | yeah | 18:30 |
| trx | i have two small wrapper libraries that i use for all my applications | 18:31 |
| trx | so basically i was developing apps for nothing now | 18:31 |
| trx | because i didnt expect a problem like this :) | 18:32 |
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| pa | will it be possible to have standard qt applications in meltemi? | 19:59 |
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| pa | like c++ widget based applications i mean | 20:00 |
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| Elleo | pa: as far as I'm aware no real details exist on meltemi yet | 20:03 |
| pa | some call it maemo 7 | 20:04 |
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| jonni | just got me one N9 which didn't charge (and collegue was planning to throw it in waste basket), so I used opened it up and used external charger to charge, now it boots up. Gave it a wiggle on micro usb port and it charges just sometimes, so looks like dry joint. Next I'll have to boot up my soldering iron to see if I can fix the usb connector so I get me a free N9 :) | 20:15 |
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| pa | cool prince of persia source code is available | 20:16 |
| pa | lets compile it for harmattan ;) | 20:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | jonni: yay! | 20:18 |
| javispedro | pa: are you sure? | 20:20 |
| pa | yes, but it is in assembly, apparently | 20:21 |
| javispedro | pa: last I heard they were trying to bring in the heavy machinery because the disks were unreadable | 20:21 |
| pa | https://github.com/jmechner/Prince-of-Persia-Apple-II | 20:21 |
| javispedro | that was fast | 20:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jonni: OMG, so not only cellmo problems but even USB is same like on N900 now? | 20:51 |
| jonni | well he said that he abused the port by dropping the device etc | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | (cellmo) today user macer reported same old "noSIM" problem | 20:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | shadowJK had 2 (two) devices with same problem | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | (n900 with "no SIM" that is) | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html at very bottom | 20:57 |
| javispedro | looooogs baaaaaad | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah! | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 20:58 |
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| *** DocScrutinizer changes topic to "A place for harmattan device and development discussions | Customers help customers on #N9, hurry and you're the senior member | Please stay on topic and no NDA stuff here | Developers : http://library.developer.nokia.com/ | http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page | logs: http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/ | ~aegis-no-thanks | LATEST ~update" | 21:03 | |
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| ZogG_laptop | hmm read how N9 NFC cheap is one of the best but doesn't support half things coz it has no SWP | 21:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | anyone heard about it? | 21:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 21:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | damn | 21:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | i don't get why to put front camera nfc and led and just not support them. | 21:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Because n9 was designed to be a mass market device | 21:10 |
| SpeedEvil | but development stopped about halfway through | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | if IRC gets logged (and published) anyway, I prefer to offer the service to all channel users | 21:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | SpeedEvil: and? why they didn't finish with just connecting it | 21:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Development costs money | 21:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | SpeedEvil: isn't it something physical? | 21:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - the SWP is | 21:11 |
| SpeedEvil | that's a wire to the SIM socket | 21:11 |
| SpeedEvil | - but it may require other things in the phone, or require the chipset to change for NFC, for example. | 21:11 |
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| ZogG_laptop | at least they could connect it and maybe one day community would finish the job | 21:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | it makes me sad | 21:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | SpeedEvil: i would prefer no cheap but less price | 21:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | it hurts to know you have one of the finest cheap you can't use | 21:15 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: "no, I dunno what'S a bot and what's a real human user." that's why you have a link to the output of one of those bots in the /topic you just set? | 21:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | itsnotabigtruck: you're really obtuse. Me knowing of one bot doesn't imply I can tell apart bots from real users. For you though it's even hard to tell apart proper logic from BS | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | is that because your nickname? (to give you a taste of your own weird way of argumentation) | 21:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: your claim is that you don't know what's a bot, you don't know what logs, it's not your business | 21:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | your claim is hogwash | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | your BS is just annoying | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | my claim is not what you say my claim would be | 21:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you know precisely what's going on but instead of being straightforward, you'd rather play word games | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, you play BS trolling game | 21:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | BS trolling game? everything you do is one big trolling game | 21:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | all you do is denigrate, not create | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I'll go on with this in a moment | 21:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you started this game, I'll end it, either way that's required to do | 21:57 |
| ab | guys, stop pretending you are Aegis management team. | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | how TF is aegis coming in here? | 21:58 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, not sure how that's pertinent... | 22:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway. | 22:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i better get going | 22:06 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | does qt creator let you "Publish for Fremantle Extras-devel Free Repository" for harmattan apps? | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | a) this channel is logged, everybody watching topic knows that - and it's always been. b) it's not been me who added the first logbot here, though that's completely irrelevant c) I'm not taking shit for managing channels in a way some fool suddenly thinks is not the right one | 22:07 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | b/c i think you can generate debian source packages there | 22:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just select the option to not upload | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | and d) stating lies about me is something I'll not tolerate | 22:08 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | just because something's been one way doesn't mean that's the way it should stay, i'll leave it at that | 22:10 |
| faenil | guys I think my mind is just sleeping, but why am I getting "module is not installed" after I register the module with qmlRegisterType? | 22:11 |
| faenil | I'm going nuts | 22:11 |
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| denism1 | ~inception | 23:14 |
| infobot | <a href="http://inception.davepedu.com/">BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH</a>, or how you own your phone (see #inception): https://endno.de/~itsnotabigtruck/inception/ | 23:14 |
| denism1 | hi, does anybody know - is it possible to download inception 0.1.0 (previous version) source somewhere? | 23:15 |
| petteri | https://endno.de/~itsnotabigtruck/inception/download/inception_0.1.tar.gz | 23:19 |
| denism1 | petteri: thank you very much! I have tried 0.1.0.tar.gz | 23:21 |
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| piggz | MohammadAG: just installed sociality on my n9, good stuff! .... i see you suffer the same webcontrol bug i do, it being difficult to enter passwords becuase focus stays on the username field | 23:34 |
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| MohammadAG | piggz: I intend to replace it with an internally controlled webpage | 23:35 |
| MohammadAG | Once I understand web shit | 23:35 |
| MohammadAG | Which will probably take time | 23:35 |
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| MohammadAG | If ever | 23:37 |
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| piggz | i got a negative review on the store because someone couldnt enter their password...shame as there is nothing i can do about it :) | 23:38 |
| faenil | MohammadAG, qmlregistertype and then I get "module is not installed" | 23:39 |
| faenil | any idea? | 23:39 |
| rzr | http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/12/04/17/2016249/operators-nokia-would-sell-better-with-android | 23:44 |
| MohammadAG | faenil: I don't use QML | 23:47 |
| MohammadAG | Well barely used it once | 23:47 |
| faenil | mmm ok... | 23:48 |
| lildeimos | faenil: maybe you need QML_DECLARE_TYPE(you_class) at bottom of .h | 23:49 |
| faenil | lildeimos: it works on an Android tablet, it doesn't work on another... :( | 23:51 |
| faenil | I mean the software atm | 23:51 |
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| lildeimos | can't help more then this sorry | 23:52 |
| faenil | np thanks ;)( | 23:53 |
| faenil | it's just so strange, same qt port, it works on a tablet, doesn't work on another | 23:53 |
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| lildeimos | I used that on all platforms and worked everywhere. Also on android | 23:55 |
| faenil | lildeimos, yeah it works on the Transformer too, it doesn't work on the Archos :( | 23:56 |
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