IRC log of #harmattan for Tuesday, 2012-04-17

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gabriel9guys and girls, is there some tutorial for tabbed interface?00:07
gabriel9and should i use initialPage with tabbed interface00:08
ZogG_laptoptabbed interfacE?00:11
gabriel9window with tabs: on toolbar i have tab1, tab2 etc00:12
gabriel9and they show tabs(windows)00:12
gabriel9pardon me, i meant pages00:12
gabriel9we need more tutorials :/00:14
javispedrowho was it that was working with gtk+ on harmattan?00:15
itsnotabigtruckgabriel9: get inception 0.1.100:17
itsnotabigtruckas to the gtk+, no idea :(00:17
gabriel9i had it installed, but still did not use it :/00:17
gabriel9when i finish this project i will have more time, and finally finish all plans with N900:19
GeneralAntillesZogG_laptop, redesigning
GeneralAntillesitsnotabigtruck, huh, wasn't coming up on google.00:21
itsnotabigtruckgabriel9: well, load up opensh and aegisctl00:21
ZogG_laptopGeneralAntilles: yes00:22
GeneralAntillesZogG_laptop, Tim did a new design, I started integrating it.00:22
GeneralAntillesBut it's in limbo right now until one of us finds time to finish integrating it.00:22
gabriel9i'm sorry, i
itsnotabigtruckand do something involving mountpoints, kernel modules, vpns, the notification led, chroot environments, global filesystem write access, setuid/gid, signon credentials, aegis-certman certificates, ...00:23
itsnotabigtruckall of the above :p00:23
ZogG_laptopGeneralAntilles: good00:23
gabriel9heh, i will :)00:23
gabriel9will N9 upgrade to QT5 ?00:24
ZogG_laptopgabriel9: there is repo but officially not likely00:24
ZogG_laptopunleast nokia would decide to make other qt5 phone and use n9 as test platform(logicaly)00:25
gabriel9that nokia don't know what they have: QT and GNU/Linux kernel00:25
gabriel9and with that two they can do anything00:25
gabriel9i'm no expert in Linux or QT but i see how much potential is there00:26
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ZogG_laptoptoo little too late00:26
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itsnotabigtruckit would be nice if one of the gui file managers added full filesystem access support through inception00:26
gabriel9that would be nice00:27
itsnotabigtruckprovide normal access by default, provide an option to activate root access and prompt for the root password00:27
ZogG_laptopi hope it would be more promoted with rasberry and playbook support =)00:27
gabriel9anyone have rasberry?00:27
itsnotabigtruckthus enabling the dac_override capability and ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL00:27
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: i think filebox had it for maemo, talk to dev. he may do it00:27
gabriel9nice, you play ME :)00:27
itsnotabigtrucknah, though i ought to00:28
gabriel9we need to port ME to N9 XD00:28
itsnotabigtrucki need to pick up me1&2 when they go cheap on sale again00:28
itsnotabigtruckthat said, EA is teh evil, and also i already have enough unplayed rpgs queued up00:28
gabriel9well you can always buy used00:28
itsnotabigtrucki game on the pc, used games don't really exist00:29
gabriel9and yes, EA is pure shit00:29
gabriel9Mass Effect00:29
itsnotabigtruckbut steam sale prices are cheaper than anything for consoles ever00:29
ZogG_laptopdont you enjoy real golf00:29
itsnotabigtruckre raspberry pi...pretty much no one does00:29
itsnotabigtruckat this point it's vaporware00:29
gabriel9i don't know i buy used games from some dudes00:29
itsnotabigtrucki mean, it exists, but lead times these days are on the order of 4 to 6 months from what i heard00:29
javispedroitsnotabigtruck: used to think the same, but they have already promised shipping starts tomorrow00:29
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gabriel94-6 months, omg, they ship it from Mars00:30
ZogG_laptopi don't play on PC i have PS3 with few games00:30
gabriel9i have XBOX360 and PC00:30
gabriel9but, i like more PX00:30
javispedroactually, "your Raspberry Pis are arriving tomorrow"00:30
itsnotabigtruckfilebox is closed source :(00:31
itsnotabigtruckalso the UI is suffering from font problems00:31
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: there are 2 normal filemanagers on N( check second one00:31
itsnotabigtruck < if your app uses that font, it's not OK00:31
gabriel9well i use terminal for files00:32
itsnotabigtruckfile manager (beta) seems no longer to be developed and it got pulled from ovi for some reason00:32
itsnotabigtrucki'm not sure there's any others00:32
gabriel9if i learn how to create windows and pages i will create one :D00:32
gabriel9offtopic: did anyone see this:
gabriel9ME 3 endings, i did not play it but people says it sucks00:33
ZogG_laptopwhere i even can order raspberry?00:33
gabriel9they use third party companies for that00:34
gabriel9i have links on the job :/00:34
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ZogG_laptopwhere are worldwide sales avilable?00:34
gabriel9twitt them :)00:35
ZogG_laptopi can't tweet anyone who doesn't follow me00:35
gabriel9use the force: @00:36
ZogG_laptopthey can't see my msgs man00:36
itsnotabigtruckthey can00:36
itsnotabigtruckbut they won't necessarily pay any attention to them00:36
itsnotabigtruckbut this seems like a mundane question, why would you tweet them about that00:37
ZogG_laptopno they can i have private account00:37
itsnotabigtrucktake the initiative and find it yourself00:37
itsnotabigtruckand make your twitter account non-private, private twitter defeats the entire point00:37
itsnotabigtruckthat said i kinda dislike twitter for that very reason, it's turned into something entirely about broadcasting stuff to people00:38
ZogG_laptopno it's not00:38
itsnotabigtrucktwitter is more like TV than IM00:38
ZogG_laptopthat's the point00:38
ZogG_laptopi don't want everyone to see shit i write00:38
itsnotabigtruckno, originally it was about talking about stuff you're doing with your friends, now it's about celebrities being about to blast out what they're doing00:38
itsnotabigtruckwithout having to be arsed to read anything they get back00:39
itsnotabigtruckit's one-way communication00:39
itsnotabigtruckand that's bad00:39
ZogG_laptopthats true00:39
ZogG_laptopanyway night for now00:39
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itsnotabigtruckare there any file managers besides those 2?00:39
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bipthow is the n9 / meego harmattan wrt software freedom?00:47
bipti know that some applications are non-free; what about the rest of the system? and are there repositories of free software available (like f-droid)?00:48
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rzrbipt, yes i manage a repo of all opensource software00:54
rzrbipt, there are many other repos too00:54
biptrzr, how about the kernel, drivers, etc.? for example, would it be theoretically possible to do a community edition without non-free nokia apps?00:56
rzryes you're looking for nemo mobile00:57
bipti've read a bit about alternative OSes (nemo mobile, nitdroid) but it's not entirely clear to me what their status is00:57
rzrnitdroid is in early stage00:57
rzrbut it ships the unfree gapps00:57
itsnotabigtrucki'll never understand "Free Software" fanaticism01:03
itsnotabigtruckthe ability to customize the system is nice, and unfortunately many of the packages one would want to customize are closed source01:03
itsnotabigtruckbut not that many people actually appear to care about that, they only want open source on philosophical grounds01:03
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itsnotabigtruckanyway, bipt: in general, core system stuff is open source, GUI stuff is not01:04
GeneralAntillesThere's nothing wrong with either pragmatism or purism per-se.01:04
itsnotabigtruckthere's a few core system things that are closed source, like cellular services daemon01:04
itsnotabigtruckand there's a few gui things that are open source like the settings app01:04
itsnotabigtruckbut that rule mostly holds01:04
GeneralAntillesBut if you're not willing to stick to principles then it's unlikely that change will ever come.01:04
itsnotabigtruckyou can download an iso image with all the open source packages (in theory) in pr1.201:04
itsnotabigtruckas for repos of open source packages, well, apps for meego sort of aimed for that goal01:05
rzritsnotabigtruck> i'll never understand "Free Software" fanaticism01:05
itsnotabigtruckunfortunately very few devs are adopting it, even if they release their software as oss01:05
rzrwell i think we should care more of that01:05
javispedroor change will come, but in the wrong direction (e.g. harmattan being actually more closed than fremantle, if counted by num of packages)01:05
itsnotabigtruckpart of the problem seems to be a significant degree of complexity + few people are passionate enough to get through that complexity (which really isn't that bad)01:06
itsnotabigtruckwhen ovi store and/or tmo posts are "good enough"01:06
itsnotabigtruckalso apps for meego has some severe bugs and usability issues so that isn't helping01:06
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, is there a Cool New Version of sowatch available that's more awesome than the one I have from a few months ago?01:06
rzrwhat about pr1.3 news ?01:07
javispedroGeneralAntilles: nope01:07
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, suck!01:07
itsnotabigtruckspeaking of that javispedro: what happened to putting sowatch and whatnot in afm01:07
javispedroGeneralAntilles: though with the uncool version you can do very cool things, I had hacked some speedometer & odometer01:08
itsnotabigtrucki didn't even hear about it until very recently because it was only visible in a forgotten FMC thread01:08
itsnotabigtruckthat got bumped the other day01:08
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javispedroas I said on that bump, I think it misses a UI before AFM01:09
* DocScrutinizer is amazed about javispedro's self control01:09
itsnotabigtruckwho says it has to have a UI?01:10
javispedrothe shitload of mails I get asking me how to get this to work, turning out they put MY watch's MAC in the config file instead of theirs01:10
itsnotabigtruckok, fair enough01:11
itsnotabigtruckmight be a good idea to post a TMO thread though since FMC is, for all intents and purposes, dead01:11
javispedroI had even implemented a IPC protocol based on qtmobility's service fw and a trivial UI01:11
javispedrobut it turned out qtmobility servicefw is unusable, as it crashes when you try to pass anything slightly complex, like a QVariantMap01:11
javispedrospent like a few weeks trying to debug that because I had not the PR1.2 source for qt-mob..01:12
javispedroalso, instead of reusing the nice qtdbus wrappers and marshallers, they also just qdatastream << everything and pass a dbus array of bytes, a _sickness_ that is pretty much common to a lot of harmattan components01:13
javispedro(but not maliit, I must thank mikhas for that...)01:13
javispedro(mostly because I promised him I would do that, but didn't =) )01:14
biptitsnotabigtruck, i also want free software for security reasons (avoiding stuff like carrier iq)01:14
javispedroGeneralAntilles: as usual, the PR1.3 will now come tomorrow, a day after the release of MWKN =)01:15
biptit sounds like meego harmattan is about as free as android (*all* phones require some non-free drivers afaict), so i may get an n9 and put up with the non-free components for the time being01:15
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: (sickness) sure, that's exactly the spirit of maemo since ever. Keep in as opaque as possible - *our* receivers _know_ how to deal with this byte dump01:16
itsnotabigtruckbipt: well, way more of the android UI is open source01:16
itsnotabigtruckandroid phones in practice do often come with a lot more antifeatures than harmattan01:16
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: see missing introspection on virtually all maemo stuff01:16
rm_workah man, i should probably upgrade out of the beta firmware that shipped on the N950 >_>01:16
rm_workstill never even went to PR1.201:16
biptitsnotabigtruck, does nemo mobile not provide alternatives yet?01:16
itsnotabigtruckbut harmattan does have some dodgy stuff, liek sending out an SMS when you first boot up with a SIM01:16
biptfor core functionality like phone calls, sms, camera01:17
itsnotabigtruckand sending your imei and/or imsi to nokia and remembering it together with your nokia account01:17
itsnotabigtruckand forcing you to log into a nokia account for certain apps that have no business requiring that01:17
itsnotabigtruckafaik nemo isn't a real alternative and never will be01:17
rm_workyou can kill the SMS by touching some "cherry" file on the filesystem, no?01:17
itsnotabigtruckhowever nitdroid might become one soon, then you're back to android though01:18
javispedromer is more than an alternative, specially if you consider nitdroid one01:18
javispedrobecause nitdroid basically _reuses_ the mer telephony stack01:18
rm_workis Mer known as Nemo now?01:18
itsnotabigtruckafaik mer = core os, nemo = gui stuff for mer01:18
itsnotabigtruckboth stem off the meego work01:18
itsnotabigtruckmer has active development because it's going into that kde spark tablet01:18
biptthere is also SHR but they use FSO and haven't ported anything to n9 yet afaict01:19
itsnotabigtrucknemo is "let's go continue meego!" and it's not going anywhere and has no apps01:19
rm_workis Stskeeps still involved with Mer?01:19
javispedroitsnotabigtruck: has the same apps as harmattan01:19
javispedrostill none, but hey :)01:19
itsnotabigtruckthat's the thing though, harmattan has some rather top notch built-in apps01:20
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faenilitsnotabigtruck, since veskuh stopped working for nemo there has been a drastic decrease in commitment :(01:20
itsnotabigtruckclosed source :( but functional01:20
itsnotabigtrucknemo requires an impossible amount of work replacing all thaty01:20
faenili.e since Nokia stopped supporting nemo01:20
DocScrutinizerbipt: (SHR porting to N9) highly unlikely this will ever happen01:21
itsnotabigtruckthat's not good...though i wasn't aware nokia was supporting it in the first place, since a lot of the work is basically re-engineering harmattan01:21
itsnotabigtruckif they wanted to support nemo why didn't they open source the gui apps they're abandoning with harmattan anyway01:21
faenilitsnotabigtruck, afaik there was only veskuh working on it from Nokia01:21
faeniland he's not in Nokia anymore01:22
DocScrutinizerbipt: and what do you mean by "BUT they use fso..."?01:22
faenilsince then, Nemo's chat is 2%01:22
itsnotabigtruckwell, that's not good to hear01:22
faenilI coded that little simple image viewer for Nemo, don't know if you're tried it01:22
itsnotabigtruckas much as i was just talking down nemo, if it did turn into a real alternative that would be awesome01:22
faenilbut stopped working on it when I saw the env was quiet01:22
biptDocScrutinizer, i mean i assume that's part of the reason it's nontrivial to port01:23
faenilitsnotabigtruck, and I agree01:23
rzrdo u have an idea on how many users installed nemo ?01:23
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, I blame Jaffa.01:24
faenilI really like Nemo because I like the fact that if you don't like an app or you want to add something, you just take the code and modify it01:25
faenilthe idea was to replace all apps with qml ones01:25
faenilw00t coded a file manager01:26
faenilsomeone coded qml calendar, I did that (sort of a) image viewer01:26
faenilbut there is a strong need :) anyone who wants to spend some of his time coding those apps? :)01:27
javispedroI hate GUIs01:27
rzri'll have to rebuild that text editor too01:27
GeneralAntillesBut GUIs have nothing but good things to say about you.01:27
javispedroAnd QML has done nothing in that regard sadly01:27
faeniljavispedro, what do you mean?01:28
rzrqml is good for writing portable linux drivers ...01:28
javispedrorzr: wait a few years and we will see javascript drivers =)01:28
rzri read that google is doing some kind of crap01:28
javispedrofaenil: that I still think of writing UIs as pain01:28
rzrfor printers01:28
rzror scanners01:29
javispedrofaenil: even when using QML (not saying it is the bad direction)01:29
rzrbefore the page get scanned the whole book is clouded on google disks01:29
faeniljavispedro, qml1 has some limitation, but it's a nice thing...01:30
faenilI think the problem is having someone create graphics with photoshop or something01:31
itsnotabigtruckwhat do you mean01:32
javispedrofaenil: have you seen the meegotouch control panel "declarative" thing?01:32
faeniljavispedro, nope, only used "crossplatform" qml01:33
javispedroactually, they call it declarative, but its not qml01:33
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faenilI see...01:33
javispedro(looking for the link...)01:33
javispedrothat is now a true declarative UI language :)01:34
javispedrosadly, it is very, very, very constrained and not generic purpose01:34
faenilhow is that better than qml?01:36
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javispedronot saying it is better, because it is not general purpose -- and thus it is unfair to compare01:38
javispedrobut some day there shall be a truly declarative language that can actually work like this for more cases01:39
faeniljavispedro, but you like it more it seems...01:39
javispedroit is extremely portable, little verbose, very easy to learn and to code for, will be natively themed no matter what the platform is, and needs no gigantic ScriptEngine/V8 runtime01:40
faenilnot that little verbose :D01:41
javispedrotouché, XML is to be avoided, QML got that right :) )01:42
faenilI find qml to be very good, the problem is it still lacks lots of components, and it sometimes behaves in weird ways...01:43
faenillike, how the hell is it possible that there is no GestureArea (which is an "experimental" component) and no Touch or TapArea ??01:44
faenilI mean, there's no way to recognize a double tap!01:44
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faenilyou have to do that yourself!01:44
faenildoubleClick will only work if you hit in the same spot, which rarely happens when tapping01:45
javispedroand no way to have a Row that turns into a column when portrait either, and to center stuff on a Grid cell you have to wrap your items into other items..01:45
javispedroI could go on all day with nitpickings =)01:45
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: p.84801:46
faenilyou could actually code a component that does the row/column thing easily :)01:46
DocScrutinizerseems to su01:46
DocScrutinizererr ECHAN01:46
javispedroyep :)01:46
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faeniljavispedro, so how's the SSD? :)01:52
javispedrowell, working well so far :)01:52
javispedroI can still faintly hear something that resembles the hard disk drive noise and that is clearly correlated with HDD activity though...01:52
javispedroeither I'm getting crazy or it does make a faint noise01:53
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itsnotabigtruckjavispedro: maybe it's power usage related02:07
itsnotabigtrucka lot of laptops have dodgy power circuitry that generates noise under load02:07
javispedro(or lack of load)02:07
javispedrobut that is usually a buzzing, mosquito like sound02:08
itsnotabigtruckyeah, that too02:08
ieatlintcould also be the system bus... i've had motherboards where it generated enough interference that speakers and headphones would play a slight whine at times02:08
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ieatlintdirectly correlated to my hdd or network use02:08
itsnotabigtruckfwiw i've heard no noise from my t400 with intel 320 inside02:08
itsnotabigtruckexcept fan related02:08
javispedroieatlint: intriguing02:08
ieatlintannoying, actually02:09
ieatlintif the speakers/headphones were playing music or anything you never heard it.. but otherwise..02:09
itsnotabigtrucki'm glad i got the 160 gig...i'm already down to 40 gigs free02:09
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faeniljavispedro, ieatlint it's a known issue of integrated audiocards :)02:09
ieatlintfaenil: i'm not surprised somehow :)02:09
itsnotabigtruck*it's a known issue of badly integrated audio chips02:09
itsnotabigtruckit means they screwed up and there's crosstalk or something02:10
javispedroit's not a whining, more like a rattling noise, it sounds actually very much like a HDD head02:10
ieatlinti suppose it could be power and not system bus.. somehow i assumed system bus, although i don't have a coherent reason why now02:10
itsnotabigtruckintegrated audio doesn't have to suck02:10
itsnotabigtruckit just often does02:10
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faenilitsnotabigtruck, it does on highend motherboards as well...02:10
itsnotabigtruckbtw faenil ieatlint: inception 0.1.1 out, upgrade if you've installed today's developer mode update02:10
ieatlintwill look at it later... i'm stuck going to a marketing event tonight02:11
itsnotabigtruckit's a quick fix to avert the removal of chroot access from unsigned apps that came with that update02:11
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infobot<a href="">BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH</a>, or how you own your phone (see #inception):
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itsnotabigtruckwow, it got really quiet really quickly02:46
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faenilitsnotabigtruck, what's that piece about?02:59
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itsnotabigtruckfaenil: hm? it's just a mashup of some mass effect scene and skrillex, lol03:04
itsnotabigtruckbtw what apps do you guys them here
faenilitsnotabigtruck, oh ok lol03:08
itsnotabigtruck that lumia doesn't actually look too bad03:34
itsnotabigtrucknot as good as the 800 or 900 though, and in any case it still has wp7 under the hood :/03:34
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wookmrst.c is related to events?04:24
itsnotabigtruckwook: mrst.c? in which program?04:27
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wookin kernel though04:29
itsnotabigtruckno idea04:30
wookhuh, it generates events, such as proximity sensor, camera cover, slider, keys....04:30
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MFaro-TusinoAnyone have a suggestion as to which software i should use to create boot animations for N9?10:42
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MFaro-TusinoI have an idea for an app12:08
beforddraw something12:08
MFaro-TusinoSpot on:P12:09
MFaro-Tusinousing dubs, create an app that runs on startup, so when holding vol+ in standby mode, camera opens, like on Belle FP1 and WP12:09
befordi think there is something like that already on the store, not sure if it works on standby mode though12:10
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MFaro-Tusinono, it only works to capture image12:14
MFaro-Tusinoand app must be open first12:14
befordoh I see12:15
MFaro-Tusinoi guess i could look at th source12:15
befordI believe thp is the author of one of them12:16
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Khertan_WorkQuestion : when populating large text in a Qml TextArea, sometime, the OS ask if an application should be closed as it didn't respond, how i can avoid that, as the loading of the text is already done in a python thread, it s look like the problem is populating the qml textarea ? any idea ?12:22
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MFaro-TusinoBeford: Yes he is. Asked him but no reply yet12:26
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faenilhey guys anyone online?13:16
faenilneed help with graphics...13:16
faenilI've got 3 frames alternating on my app, as if it was drawing the current frame, current-1, and current-213:16
faeniland it keeps drawing those 3 instead of only the current one13:16
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MFaro-Tusinocan't you do a frameX and then after each load of the frame make x=x+1 ?13:53
MFaro-Tusinoor something similar?13:53
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phakois there some canonical way to have the theme daemon rebuild its icon cache that will pass ovi QA or does a user need to live with that ugly red square?14:05
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itsnotabigtruck what the fsck14:56
itsnotabigtruckapparently they deliberately excluded israeli maps from the list to appease middle eastern countries that'd rather it not have ever existed14:57
X-FadeWelcome to the problems big companies face when selling things in different markets.14:58
itsnotabigtrucksort seems to take that to a highly excessive extent14:59
itsnotabigtrucke.g. not ever numbering a product "4" because of chinese superstition14:59
itsnotabigtruckthey produce an inferior product by trying to pander to everyone14:59
X-FadeNo, it is usually the ISP etc.14:59
itsnotabigtruckthe iphone 4 doesn't seem to be doing too badly in china14:59
tehdelyso basically you need to flash with the right emmc to have israel maps15:00
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tehdelyand can't actually download them through the uI15:00
tehdelyhow coudl this possibly go wrong15:00
itsnotabigtruckyeah, apparently so15:00
itsnotabigtruckthere might be a backdoor url to download the files also15:00
X-FadeJust flash an international variant?15:00
itsnotabigtrucki mean, it doesn't directly affect me, but that's just such a backwards arrangement15:00
tehdelyi would almost think it should be the opposite15:01
tehdelyisrael is available unelss you have an EMEA phone...15:01
tehdelysince the lion's share of countries that don't recognize its existence are in the middle east15:01
tehdelyEMEA obviouslyt oo wide an area15:02
itsnotabigtruckright, they could exclude it specifically in 006 firmware or something15:02
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itsnotabigtruckno news on pr1.3 today? :(15:02
X-FadeI say we need more variants :)15:02
tehdelyi want a variant for people who don't recognize belgium15:03
tehdelyit's such a made-up country15:03
tehdelygive me the no belgium emmc!15:03
itsnotabigtruckoh btw X-Fade: while you're here, i think the same thing that happened to ad-hac happened to mieru15:03
tehdelywhat happened to ad-hac15:03
itsnotabigtrucki.e. the promotion bot getting confused and making a mess of things with multiple versions in play15:03
X-Fadeitsnotabigtruck: That is likely. The issue got fixed after these packages were submitted.15:03
Khertan_Worktehdely: belgium ... don't know. flaman land yes :)15:04
tehdelyKhertan_Work: there should be a variant where wallonia is in france and flanders is in .nl15:05
itsnotabigtruckX-Fade: well that's good15:05
tehdelyand brussels has been erased from the map15:05
tehdelyis it so much to ask15:05
itsnotabigtruckdirect intervention is probably required though to promote 2.2.29 over the old version that got promoted instead15:05
itsnotabigtruckalso it was a little bit different from ad-hac in that in this case the new version stayed in staging15:06
X-Fadeitsnotabigtruck: Yeah, I guess I need to push it again.15:06
itsnotabigtruckinstead of disappearing entirely15:06
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: :-) here you are15:06
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DocScrutinizer [general notice] There will be a Council meeting (IRC - #maemo-meeting) at 15:00 UTC on Tuesday April 17. <>15:06
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: would be nice to have you around there (you're chan owner)15:06
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: somebody might need to update /topic, for instance15:08
DocScrutinizermaybe somebody can forward my comment to X-Fade - I guess I'm on his ignore15:10
X-Fadeitsnotabigtruck: Pushed the newer version in. Will build now.15:11
itsnotabigtruckX-Fade: cool :) if the issue's fixed now then i guess that's that15:12
RST38hOMG X-Fade is still alive and here15:12
DocScrutinizerRST38h: :-D15:13
X-Fadeitsnotabigtruck: Yeah for new apps it is not a problem. Only ones that have existing QA going on.15:13
itsnotabigtruckX-Fade: also, not sure if you're able to do anything about this, but it seems to be impossible to use OBS' auto-signing functionality for repos15:13
itsnotabigtruckvia osc signkey15:13
itsnotabigtruck(i'm guessing afm is using some arrangement other than OBS to do the signing)15:14
X-FadeYeah, cobs has no signer.15:14
X-FadeSo it can't sign repos :)15:14
itsnotabigtruckfor some reason that didn't break on pr1.2 but it would still be desirable to be able to sign in order to ensure security and also allow defining aegis domains over built packages15:15
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itsnotabigtrucki.e. suppling users with a package that grants x, y, and z permissions to domain yharg which belongs to GPG key fingerprint f00df00df00d...15:16
X-Fadeitsnotabigtruck: Everthing in afm is signed.15:17
X-FadeIf it is published.15:17
X-FadeAnd it falls under the community-source-policy.15:17
itsnotabigtruckX-Fade: right, but that doesn't do any good for things that afm doesn't allow, which is a lot of things15:17
itsnotabigtruckand the community-source-policy is limited to dev permissions only15:17
X-Fadeitsnotabigtruck: We don't have cbd or whatever it is called :) So defining our own policies is not possible anyway?15:18
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jonniactually its limited to ovi permissions and not to dev permissions.15:19
itsnotabigtruckX-Fade: cbd? anyway, you just throw some xml in a package and incept it15:19
itsnotabigtruckand that can then subset the full set of permissions, add a GPG key, and add an apt source entry15:20
X-Fadeitsnotabigtruck: I wonder if that would still work in PR1.3.15:20
itsnotabigtruckincept awesome-repo_1.0_all.deb and then it's all taken care of15:21
itsnotabigtrucki expect it to15:21
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Khertan_Workitsnotabigtruck: incept --fixallqmlproblem shitty.qml didn't works15:31
Khertan_Workincept isn't the answer to everythings15:31
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RST38hbtw when installing latets developers update, latrace did not install15:37
RST38hcomplained about aegis permissiosn15:37
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javispedroso, timezone reality check, meeting starts in 2:10 hours?15:41
RST38hheya javispedro15:41
javispedromoo RST38h15:41
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: in my book, yes15:41
RST38hwhat meeting? do we get to throw cobblestones?15:41
X-Fadejavispedro: Not sure what timezone you are in, but that can't be right.15:41
X-Fadejavispedro: 2:18, yes.15:42
javispedroyep, 2:18, sorry :)15:42
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itsnotabigtrucklol Khertan_Work15:52
itsnotabigtruckanyway, so X-Fade: how bad would it be to enable the signer15:55
itsnotabigtrucknot sure how that component works15:55
X-Fadeitsnotabigtruck: Need to look at that. Haven't worked with it yet.15:55
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alteregoHarmattan on a wall:
alteregoAnyway, I've got stuff to do ...17:45
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Khertan_Workwahou, there is many meego/ovistore warez site17:47
Khertan_Worki can found them only with the name of my apps17:47
javispedroalterego: looks kinda artistic =)17:47
Khertan_WorkIt s funny too see pirated version of application available for free in Apps4Meego :)17:50
X-FadeWell, then it is technically not really pirated :)17:51
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itsnotabigtrucklol alterego17:51
javispedroX-Fade: gpl violating ;P17:51
itsnotabigtruckalso Khertan_Work: which apps...a few people have uploaded the same app for free to afm and for $$$ to ovi17:52
X-Fadejavispedro: Send them an email and ask for sources :)17:52
itsnotabigtrucknamely thp17:52
itsnotabigtruckoh, nm, i misread what you said17:52
Khertan_Workitsnotabigtruck: KhtSimpleText17:52
itsnotabigtrucki thought you were saying there were pirated versions of ovi apps in appsformeego :p17:52
Khertan_Workitsnotabigtruck: yep i ve done the same17:52
Khertan_Workitsnotabigtruck: no i said that stupid hacker pirate apps available for free in apps4meego by buying them on ovi and sharing them :)17:53
itsnotabigtrucklol yeah17:53
itsnotabigtruckthere's the article on the obs signer...i'm not sure why the GPG setup instructions at the beginning are so complicated17:54
itsnotabigtruckit has you make a key with an RSA primary and RSA, DSA, and ElGamal secondaries and i can't imagine why one would want that17:54
itsnotabigtrucki'd imagine just an RSA primary is needed and that's it (for signing)17:54
X-Fadeitsnotabigtruck: Yeah, setting up keys is not the problem.17:54
Khertan_Workitsnotabigtruck: now it could be funny to use inception to add some value to deb before sending a new version to this warez board17:55
itsnotabigtruckKhertan_Work: some value?17:55
Khertan_Work:) you understand ;)17:55
X-FadeIt is just that I need to setup a secure vm for it and configure the service. We don't want all the private keys to leak out of course.17:55
itsnotabigtruckhas anyone figured out a way to get source packages out of qt creator17:57
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itsnotabigtruckthat's the #1 thing that's slowing afm down17:57
pais there any user from norway in here, by the way? :)17:57
itsnotabigtruckeveryone is using qt creator and it doesn't have a push button way to produce what obs needs17:57
X-Fadeitsnotabigtruck: dpkg-buildpackage -S was so easy :(17:57
javispedrothere's a obs qt creator plugin..17:58
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itsnotabigtruckit's easy for people using scratchbox and traditional packaging but those are a tiny minority17:58
itsnotabigtruckthere is?17:58
payeah, i should start with it17:58
paqtcreator is so limited17:58
Khertan_Workpython sdist_maemo17:58
Khertan_Work.... :)17:58
itsnotabigtruckif there's a plugin or some other easy way to do it17:58
itsnotabigtruckwhy hasn't that been publicised to the max17:58
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itsnotabigtruckbecause that's never been mentioned here before and that's a main cause for the reluctance to use OBS and AFM18:00
itsnotabigtruck(dammit, i hate that moment where you know the perfect word for a situation but can't remember it)18:00
pashouldnt we make a nice neat interface to package for harmattan? :)18:01
palike a little pyqt tool or something like that18:01
itsnotabigtrucke.g. we need to get emumaster into afm18:01
itsnotabigtruckand all the other popular open source ovi apps18:01
X-Fadeitsnotabigtruck: Yeah, it is a bit of a learning curve.18:02
Khertan_Workpa: there is sdist_maemo for packaging python apps :)18:03
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Khertan_Workpa: but no gui18:03
Khertan_Workpa: base distutils well know of python devel18:03
Khertan_Works/base/based on18:03
paKhertan_Work, ah really? i was using pyside assistant for python, so far, but it packages in a wrong way18:04
pai can try that one :)18:04
Khertan_Workpa: and pyside assitant isn't working on device :)18:04
jktis there a system way of getting crash reports from my application?18:04
Khertan_Workpa: anyway it s maybe not perfect, but it s what i use ;)18:04
jktI've read, but it's rather spartan on further details18:04
DocScrutinizerCouncil meeting (IRC - #maemo-meeting) NOW18:04
pai try to install it, is it in standard ubuntu universe?18:04
Khertan_Workpa: there is also pypackager for harmattan which can create source and deb on device18:05
Khertan_Workpa: no, not in ubuntu ;) it s in my home obs or github18:05
paah :)18:05
paok so i google for it18:05
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sledgesanyone else suffering with PR1.2's Gtalk Video Plugin dropouts?..18:11
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trxDoes anyone have any idea when will appsformeego accept applications with libraries(non-standard)?  how do people distribute their applications atm?18:13
Khertan_Worktrx: idea create an installer to install external dependancies ? :)18:15
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trxthats a good idea, but i dont know if people will like that18:16
jktso I'm getting this message when trying to install libc6-dbg (which is a pre-requisite of valgrind) on my N950 PR1.2: depends libc6 (= 2.10-0maemo18.1+0m6) but 2.10-0maemo20+0m7 is to be installed18:18
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jktwhat shall I do to fix that?18:18
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itsnotabigtrucktrx: the normal procedure is to slam everything into one package18:23
itsnotabigtrucknot pretty, i know18:23
itsnotabigtruckit's even less pretty because AfM not only restricts your dependencies, but your buildependencies18:23
itsnotabigtruckso you can't do any neat tricks like e.g. build-depending on the packages you need, and copying their files from the system into your package during the build18:24
itsnotabigtruckit's a severe problem18:24
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trxi have two small wrapper libraries that i use for all my applications18:31
trxso basically i was developing apps for nothing now18:31
trxbecause i didnt expect a problem like this :)18:32
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pawill it be possible to have standard qt applications in meltemi?19:59
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palike c++ widget based applications i mean20:00
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Elleopa: as far as I'm aware no real details exist on meltemi yet20:03
pasome call it maemo 720:04
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jonnijust got me one N9 which didn't charge (and collegue was planning to throw it in waste basket), so I used opened it up and used external charger to charge, now it boots up. Gave it a wiggle on micro usb port and it charges just sometimes, so looks like dry joint. Next I'll have to boot up my soldering iron to see if I can fix the usb connector so I get me a free N9 :)20:15
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pacool prince of persia source code is available20:16
palets compile it for harmattan ;)20:16
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SpeedEviljonni: yay!20:18
javispedropa: are you sure?20:20
payes, but it is in assembly, apparently20:21
javispedropa: last I heard they were trying to bring in the heavy machinery because the disks were unreadable20:21
javispedrothat was fast20:22
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DocScrutinizerjonni: OMG, so not only cellmo problems but even USB is same like on N900 now?20:51
jonniwell he said that he abused the port by dropping the device etc20:52
DocScrutinizer(cellmo) today user macer reported same old "noSIM" problem20:52
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DocScrutinizershadowJK had 2 (two) devices with same problem20:53
DocScrutinizer(n900 with "no SIM" that is)20:53
DocScrutinizer at very bottom20:57
javispedrolooooogs baaaaaad20:58
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ZogG_laptophmm read how N9 NFC cheap is one of the best but doesn't support half things coz it has no SWP21:07
ZogG_laptopanyone heard about it?21:07
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ZogG_laptopi don't get why to put front camera nfc and led and just not support them.21:09
SpeedEvilBecause n9 was designed to be a mass market device21:10
SpeedEvilbut development stopped about halfway through21:10
DocScrutinizerif IRC gets logged (and published) anyway, I prefer to offer the service to all channel users21:10
ZogG_laptopSpeedEvil: and? why they didn't finish with just connecting it21:10
SpeedEvilDevelopment costs money21:10
ZogG_laptopSpeedEvil: isn't it something physical?21:11
SpeedEvilOh - the SWP is21:11
SpeedEvilthat's a wire to the SIM socket21:11
SpeedEvil- but it may require other things in the phone, or require the chipset to change for NFC, for example.21:11
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ZogG_laptopat least they could connect it and maybe one day community would finish the job21:13
ZogG_laptopit makes me sad21:15
ZogG_laptopSpeedEvil: i would prefer no cheap but less price21:15
ZogG_laptopit hurts to know you have one of the finest cheap you can't use21:15
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itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: "no, I dunno what'S a bot and what's a real human user." that's why you have a link to the output of one of those bots in the /topic you just set?21:19
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DocScrutinizeritsnotabigtruck: you're really obtuse. Me knowing of one bot doesn't imply I can tell apart bots from real users. For you though it's even hard to tell apart proper logic from BS21:52
DocScrutinizeris that because your nickname? (to give you a taste of your own weird way of argumentation)21:54
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: your claim is that you don't know what's a bot, you don't know what logs, it's not your business21:54
itsnotabigtruckyour claim is hogwash21:55
DocScrutinizeryour BS is just annoying21:55
DocScrutinizermy claim is not what you say my claim would be21:55
itsnotabigtruckyou know precisely what's going on but instead of being straightforward, you'd rather play word games21:55
DocScrutinizerno, you play BS trolling game21:55
itsnotabigtruckBS trolling game? everything you do is one big trolling game21:56
itsnotabigtruckall you do is denigrate, not create21:56
DocScrutinizerwell, I'll go on with this in a moment21:56
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DocScrutinizeryou started this game, I'll end it, either way that's required to do21:57
abguys, stop pretending you are Aegis management team.21:57
DocScrutinizerhow TF is aegis coming in here?21:58
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itsnotabigtruckyeah, not sure how that's pertinent...22:06
itsnotabigtrucki better get going22:06
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itsnotabigtruckdoes qt creator let you "Publish for Fremantle Extras-devel Free Repository" for harmattan apps?22:07
DocScrutinizera) this channel is logged, everybody watching topic knows that - and it's always been. b) it's not been me who added the first logbot here, though that's completely irrelevant c) I'm not taking shit for managing channels in a way some fool suddenly thinks is not the right one22:07
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itsnotabigtruckb/c i think you can generate debian source packages there22:07
itsnotabigtruckjust select the option to not upload22:07
DocScrutinizerand d) stating lies about me is something I'll not tolerate22:08
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itsnotabigtruckjust because something's been one way doesn't mean that's the way it should stay, i'll leave it at that22:10
faenilguys I think my mind is just sleeping, but why am I getting "module is not installed" after I register the module with qmlRegisterType?22:11
faenilI'm going nuts22:11
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infobot<a href="">BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH</a>, or how you own your phone (see #inception):
denism1hi, does anybody know - is it possible to download inception 0.1.0 (previous version) source somewhere?23:15
denism1petteri: thank you very much! I have tried 0.1.0.tar.gz23:21
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piggzMohammadAG: just installed sociality on my n9, good stuff! .... i see you suffer the same webcontrol bug i do, it being difficult to enter passwords becuase focus stays on the username field23:34
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MohammadAGpiggz: I intend to replace it with an internally controlled webpage23:35
MohammadAGOnce I understand web shit23:35
MohammadAGWhich will probably take time23:35
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MohammadAGIf ever23:37
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piggzi got a negative review on the store because someone couldnt enter their password...shame as there is nothing i can do about it :)23:38
faenilMohammadAG, qmlregistertype and then I get "module is not installed"23:39
faenilany idea?23:39
MohammadAGfaenil: I don't use QML23:47
MohammadAGWell barely used it once23:47
faenilmmm ok...23:48
lildeimosfaenil: maybe you need QML_DECLARE_TYPE(you_class) at bottom of .h23:49
faenillildeimos: it works on an Android tablet, it doesn't work on another... :(23:51
faenilI mean the software atm23:51
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lildeimoscan't help more then this sorry23:52
faenilnp thanks ;)(23:53
faenilit's just so strange, same qt port, it works on a tablet, doesn't work on another23:53
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lildeimosI used that on all platforms and worked everywhere. Also on android23:55
faenillildeimos, yeah it works on the Transformer too, it doesn't work on the Archos :(23:56

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