IRC log of #harmattan for Wednesday, 2012-02-22

itsnotabigtruckAranel: yeah...that's not normal00:01
itsnotabigtruckand the flag djszapi stated waits until the battery is charged00:02
itsnotabigtruckso it's not going to do anything :/00:02
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Araneloh, okay. so should I just try with R&D mode and one last flash and declare it dead?00:02
itsnotabigtruckyou're not the first person with a mysteriously bricked phone, what on earth is going on00:02
Aranelby the way, it's not a hw fault, which makes me confused. He just tried to flash it to PR1.1 (from beta2, or sth ancient like that) and now it's brick.00:03
itsnotabigtruckmy n9 was stuck on the nokia logo this morning after some ill-advised experimentation, but a rootfs+emmc flash to pr1.1 stock did the trick00:03
Sazpaimonok design question for real now00:04
Sazpaimonhow can I make this look better00:04
torarneSazpaimon: add margins around your content00:05
AranelSazpaimon: o.O Steam?00:05
itsnotabigtruckalignment alignment alignment alignment00:05
Aranel(sorry I'm not helpful :p)00:05
itsnotabigtruckpull up some existing account plugins from nokia00:05
itsnotabigtruckmake them look like that00:05
torarneyeah, what itsnotabigtruck said00:05
itsnotabigtruckuse the nokia pure font for everything, never ever ever use swissa for anything00:05
Aranelmargins and center it to the screen maybe.00:05
itsnotabigtruck(i.e. the font you're using on the desc text)00:06
itsnotabigtruckalso mention steam guard somewhere00:06
Sazpaimonalso i guess I should make the bottom two buttons toolbar buttons00:06
itsnotabigtruckwell, get rid of cancel, that's what the back button is for00:06
Sazpaimonactually the back button isnt supposed to be there00:06
itsnotabigtrucknormally submit code would be a wide centered button00:06
itsnotabigtruckoften black on white00:06
itsnotabigtruckkeep the back button there00:06
itsnotabigtruckmake it the cancel button00:07
itsnotabigtruckand read up on the harmattan ui design convention manual00:07
Sazpaimonclicking cancel will delete the account and exit00:07
Sazpaimonotherwise i'm left with a broken account that can't connect00:07
Aranelitsnotabigtruck: and now It's booting okay. Huh, that was weird :|00:07
itsnotabigtruckAranel: strange...00:07
AranelI set it to R&D and disabled all watchdogs/lifeguard, flashed it again (not with --flash-only flag)00:08
itsnotabigtrucksorry if i'm being a little harsh Sazpaimon00:08
Araneland now It's working.00:08
Sazpaimonitsnotabigtruck, its ok00:08
itsnotabigtruckit's good you're working on making it look nice00:08
Sazpaimoni have absolutely no design skills whatsoever00:08
itsnotabigtruckmost people don't, those apps are garbage00:08
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itsnotabigtrucke.g. the font thing, so simple, but so commonly ignored00:08
Sazpaimonwell i guess I could make back go back to the login screen00:09
Sazpaimonbut still delete the account from missioncontrol00:09
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Sazpaimon[17:05] <itsnotabigtruck> also mention steam guard somewhere00:09
Sazpaimoni actually just copid that text right from the steam guard screen00:09
Sazpaimonsteam never actually mentions it unless you're enabling/disabling it00:10
Sazpaimon[17:06] <itsnotabigtruck> normally submit code would be a wide centered button00:11
Sazpaimonwhat if the submit code is only 4-6 characters00:11
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Sazpaimonalso, I already have:00:21
Sazpaimon    #if defined(MEEGO_EDITION_HARMATTAN)00:21
Sazpaimon        app.setFont(QFont("Nokia Pure Text"));00:21
Sazpaimon    #endif00:21
Sazpaimonso why is my text not using pure?00:22
Sazpaimondo I need to specifically set the family in it?00:22
itsnotabigtruckcan't help you there, weird00:22
Sazpaimonapparently MEEGO_EDITION_HARMATTAN isnt defined?00:23
Sazpaimonyet HARMATTAN_BOOSTER is defined00:25
Sazpaimoni guess ill just use that00:25
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: can't you get rid of the ifdef entirely...face it, this part is just for harmattan00:26
itsnotabigtruckall other meego is dead on arrival anyway00:26
itsnotabigtruckwell, it never even really arrived, dead or not00:26
Sazpaimonitsnotabigtruck, i wanted to port this to maemo00:27
Sazpaimoni guess I'll just remove it for now00:29
Sazpaimonitsnotabigtruck, do you suggest making the input box wide even if the auth code is only 4-6 characters?00:31
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: not the input box, the button00:33
itsnotabigtrucknot sure about the box00:34
itsnotabigtruckhow about putting a caption on it and having the input box fill in the rest of the width00:34
itsnotabigtrucklike Validation code [                  ]00:34
Sazpaimonthat could work00:34
itsnotabigtruckok, so looking at the exiting accounts-ui stuff00:35
itsnotabigtruckthe google plugin uses full-width input boxes with username: and password: above the box in small text00:35
itsnotabigtruckand a wide sign in button below00:35
Sazpaimonthey all do that00:35
Sazpaimonbut the input boxes for those are variable width00:35
itsnotabigtrucktrue, true00:35
itsnotabigtruckstill makes sense though00:36
itsnotabigtruckso it would be00:36
itsnotabigtruckValidation code00:36
itsnotabigtruck[                                     ]00:36
Sazpaimoni guess for conformity00:36
itsnotabigtruckas for what back button does...00:36
itsnotabigtruckmight it be possible for this box to pop up at any time?00:37
itsnotabigtruckdoes the steam guard authorization expire?00:37
itsnotabigtruckor is it one-time guaranteed00:37
Sazpaimonthe box only pops up during connection00:37
itsnotabigtruckbtw shouldn't this thing be using oauth or something?00:37
itsnotabigtruckduring connection or during account add00:37
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Sazpaimonduring account add, but I hook into the enabling event00:37
Sazpaimonwhich makes it connect00:37
Sazpaimonif steam sends back invalid crededntials error, it means either the password is incorrect or steam guard is on00:38
Sazpaimonno way to know specifically00:38
Sazpaimonthe "what email?" button would address the possiblity of incorrect password00:38
itsnotabigtruckthe point is, is it possible it could be initiated on e.g. the reboot of the phone00:39
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: kanagram 0.2 just bugged out a few rounds in00:47
itsnotabigtruckafter getting a word wrong, when the upper box was highlighted in red it went blank except for an R at the end, which carried over00:48
itsnotabigtruckso now i have 7 letters at once when there's 6 blanks :p00:48
Sazpaimonat any rate, Im not sure how persistent steamguard codes are00:48
Sazpaimoni think it may just be safer to have it be handled not long after login00:48
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itsnotabigtruckhow are incorrect passwords handled currently00:51
itsnotabigtruck damn, $440 now00:52
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itsnotabigtruck18 votes on the bug so far00:53
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Sazpaimonitsnotabigtruck, its assumed the password was correct and steam guard isn't enabled00:59
Sazpaimon*is enabled00:59
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: err, sorry, i meant in other apps01:00
itsnotabigtruckwell, plugins01:00
Sazpaimonthe account is added still01:00
Sazpaimonand the user has the opportunity to change their password afterward01:00
Sazpaimonthe problem with this is that even if the password is correct, the status screen will show "Incorrect password" for that account01:01
Sazpaimoneven if the password is right and the user just hasnt put in their steam guard code01:01
Sazpaimonthats not a very informative error01:01
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itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: right, i'm just saying that you should take however incorrect passwords are handled as a cue for steam guard ui01:05
itsnotabigtruckhowever on second thought that's not such a hot idea, hmm01:05
itsnotabigtruckare you sure there's no differentiation between bad password and steam guard blocking?01:05
itsnotabigtruckon a protocol level01:05
Sazpaimonthe web API does return different messages for both01:06
Sazpaimonbut they're both mapped to the same telepathy command, invalid credentials01:06
Sazpaimonwell not command, status reason01:06
Sazpaimoni dont think there's another status that qualifies01:08
Sazpaimonthe only other way is to do a completely manual API call01:09
Sazpaimonbypassing any telepathy and haze stuff01:10
Sazpaimonbut i really want to avoid doing that01:10
rzritsnotabigtruck: can you help on osc  keygen01:17
rzr# rzr@lap:home:rzr/ # [2] # osc signkey --create01:19
rzrServer returned an error: HTTP Error 400: Bad Request01:19
rzrdon't know how to create a key01:19
itsnotabigtruckrzr: oh hey01:36
itsnotabigtruckok...that's odd01:36
itsnotabigtrucki don't have an OBS repository myself, so i can't test on my end...but i think you're doing it correctly01:36
itsnotabigtruckand that means it's likely something is b0rked on the server01:37
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rzritsnotabigtruck: it looks like , yes01:46
rzrwell that a reason to push some app to a.f.m.o01:46
itsnotabigtruckrzr: does obs use http or https01:48
itsnotabigtrucktry wiresharking when you run the command01:48
itsnotabigtrucksee if there's any detail in the error message beyond error 40001:49
itsnotabigtruckrzr: fwiw it seems that your repo still works on pr1.201:53
itsnotabigtruckit seems that the bug is only triggered if certain hash fields are present and as long as OBS doesn't change then it isn't a problem01:53
rzrcertain hash fields ??01:54
rzrprobally aegis packages ?01:55
itsnotabigtruckrzr: nah02:00
itsnotabigtruckpackage hashes as part of the apt packages file02:01
rzrit's still unclear for me02:01
itsnotabigtruckaegis allows a package to assert privileges based on its 'origin'02:02
itsnotabigtruckthe origin is determined based on what key the package is signed by02:02
itsnotabigtruckthere's two ways to sign a package, a) by putting the signature in the package02:02
itsnotabigtruckor b) by signing the repository the package comes from, in the same way debian/ubuntu/etc. do it02:02
rzrok i agrea02:02
itsnotabigtruckpart b works by having a gpg signature that protects the packages file02:03
itsnotabigtruckwhich contains hashes of all the packages that the repository contains02:03
rzrbut those signatures arent uploaded to obs02:03
itsnotabigtruckwell, if obs signkey worked, obs would automatically make the signatures02:03
rzrso the builder cant verify the sources02:03
itsnotabigtruckthe problem is that aegis tries to check for scenario B02:04
itsnotabigtruckbut it fails entirely if the repository isn't signed02:04
itsnotabigtruckhowever, it seems that it only does that *if* the repository contains sha1/sha256 hashes02:04
rzrthen they expect us to put those aegis file in debian/02:04
itsnotabigtruckand it seems obs doesn't put those there02:04
itsnotabigtruckno, the signature stuff doesn't go in te .aegis file02:04
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itsnotabigtruckthe signature is on the binary package, not the source code02:05
rzrmakes sence02:05
rzrbut obs only accept sources packages as input02:05
itsnotabigtruckso it goes02:05
rzrso there is no way for A02:05
itsnotabigtruckobs accepts source package -> obs builds source package into binary package -> obs adds binary package to APT list -> obs signs APT list02:06
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rzrwell let me sniff that error02:06
faenilguys hack needed02:06
faenilhelp please02:06
faenilhow can I stop qml frow drawing into an area?02:06
faenilit keeps redrawing over my gl area02:06
faenilI have two frames flickering02:07
faenillike the last but one frame02:07
faenilwhich is drawn by qml (which is drawing the UI in the meanwhile)02:07
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faeniland the last frame with is drawn by my code02:07
faeniland it keeps flickering between the two02:08
faenilI want qml to stop painting on that area02:08
faenilis there any hack I can use?02:08
itsnotabigtruckfaenil: vote for bug 97802:08
_MeeGoBot_Bug maj, High, ---, ext-lavanya.alamuri, NEW, Platform SDK repository lacks APT signature - incompatible with PR1.202:08
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rzritsnotabigtruck: https :-(02:10
rzritsnotabigtruck: lets try again on http02:10
rzritsnotabigtruck: no way02:11
itsnotabigtruckrzr :/ hmmmm02:13
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rzrwell lets hope this issue will gain the appropriate priority02:15
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rzritsnotabigtruck: btw is debian keyring involved into our apt setups ?02:19
itsnotabigtruckrzr: harmattan doesn't include debian's could load them if you want02:20
itsnotabigtrucki'd have to double-check but i think aegis doesn't prevent adding additional PGP keys to apt02:21
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flat` laitoin kynttilöi rivii ja bongin siihe vartaalle02:21
flat`hyvät vapotukset02:21
itsnotabigtruckhowever, aegis won't trust those additional pgp keys for additional privileges02:21
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rzrmost of my packages are not using aegis privileges02:22
itsnotabigtruckjust the normal privileges (which if you have dev mode on, are the devmode/ovi/appsformeego privileges)02:22
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Sazpaimonthis may be a dumb question, but in qml, how do I bind when a context changes02:35
Sazpaimoneither from qml or qt using setContextProperty02:35
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itsnotabigtruckanyone know if it usually takes a long time to get c/obs approval from the relevant people?03:33
befordi think you have to ask lbt or X-Fade manually to get approved03:39
itsnotabigtruckbeford: yeah, i pinged them on #meego like it says03:45
itsnotabigtrucki don't hang out in #meego but it seems like neither of them have ever really been around that much03:45
befordI believe lbt is from UK so give it a couple of hours for him to appear :P03:52
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djszapirzr: here03:56
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: cannot reproduce03:56
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: X-Fade and lbt give accounts out here as well, no worry.04:00
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djszapiSazpaimon what do you mean ?04:01
djszapiflat`: it is an English channel, essentially.04:02
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: cannot reproduce...what04:02
itsnotabigtruckoh, the kanagram bug04:02
itsnotabigtruckit definitely happened, the question is when it happens04:03
djszapiSazpaimon: MEEGO_EDITION_HARMATTAN -> why do you need it ?04:04
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: yes, please, try to figure out how you reproduce it.04:04
itsnotabigtruckafter the bug hit, i had [     R] and [MADRID] (scrambled)04:04
djszapiAranel: -0wait is not the correct option name.04:05
itsnotabigtruckactually it must have been MADRID with one char substituted to R04:05
itsnotabigtruckanyway, after deanagramming it, it rejected it04:05
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: I understood the behavior, just cannot reproduce04:05
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: right, but explaining the scenario might help track it down from the code side04:05
djszapiI do not have any idea how that could happen04:06
djszapilooking at the code, it seems ok04:06
itsnotabigtruckalso i let the phone sit for a while, it might have had some anagram timeouts first04:07
djszapijpwhiting: there ? I have a kde edu app idea.04:08
djszapibeford: have you voted for the bug in question ?04:10
befordsecureapt one right?04:10
djszapiyes, about the Nokia SDK repo signing.04:10
befordyes I did some hours ago04:11
itsnotabigtruckkanagram could really use some music to rock to while you're kanagramming04:16
djszapiwas thinking of that, but it is not material for
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itsnotabigtruckhm, just tried meecast04:34
itsnotabigtruckit's nice, but it would be nicer were it to use the nokia font :p04:35
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: kanagram is missing maemo-display-name and maemo-icon-2604:41
itsnotabigtruckor whatever it's called04:41
itsnotabigtrucki'd have thought ovi would screen for that stuff, all my other installed ovi apps have icons04:42
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djszapiitsnotabigtruck: why would I need that ?04:43
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: so it shows up with a nice icon on the applications list04:44
djszapiwhat is "applications list" ?04:44
itsnotabigtrucksettings > applications > manage applications, what else would it be04:44
djszapiapplauncher list04:45
djszapithat it could be04:45
djszapibut that works.04:45
djszapiso no problem for me.04:45
itsnotabigtruckno icon, and it says kanagram in lower case (package name)04:45
itsnotabigtruckbecause your control file doesn't have xb-maemo fields in it04:45
djszapiperhaps I can add it for the next version.04:45
djszapi(if any)04:46
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djszapiI guess I should add "XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description" too04:48
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: btw, you meant XB-Maemo-Icon-26 and XB-Maemo-Display-Name ?04:55
flat`djszapi: yeah i know.. didnt mean to write here04:58
djszapiflat`: thanks...04:59
Sazpaimon[21:03] <djszapi> Sazpaimon: MEEGO_EDITION_HARMATTAN -> why do you need it ?05:01
Sazpaimonso I can set nokia pure as the default font05:01
Sazpaimonbut only for harmattan05:02
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: yup05:03
itsnotabigtruckeither XB or XSBC will work - XSBC = Extension: Source Binary Changes05:03
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djszapiSazpaimon: what does not work ?05:04
Sazpaimondjszapi, it's not getting defined, apparently05:04
djszapiit is05:05
Sazpaimoncode within #if defined(MEEGO_EDITION_HARMATTAN) is not running05:05
djszapicoding considerations: ->05:06
djszapihave you included "#include "qplatformdefs.h" ?05:06
djszapiand your project file is okay, right ?05:07
Sazpaimonthat file should be included from qmlapplicationviewer shouldnt it?05:07
djszapiwherever you would like to use the macro..05:08
djszapisince that header file defines it.05:08
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Sazpaimonmy main.cpp has qmlapplicationviewer.h included, which handles all that05:10
Sazpaimonits the file that qt creator generates for you05:11
djszapiopen up the header05:11
djszapiand check out05:11
djszapialso, make sure the pro file is correct...05:11
itsnotabigtruckanyone know how difficult it is to perform surgery on the N9 to exchange the battery?05:11
itsnotabigtruckfortunately i don't need to do that, but i was just thinking about that05:11
djszapisomeone documented it, but not simple.05:12
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itsnotabigtruckyeah, according to the service manual it looks like you have to remove a plate first05:13
itsnotabigtruckfor some reason the manual says not to re-use any of the torx screws05:14
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djszapicheck the settings > application > manage thingy.05:15
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itsnotabigtrucklooks good going by dpkg -I05:18
djszapinot sure whether I should hold the ovi review request back05:18
djszapiand submit again..05:19
itsnotabigtruckicon looks a little illegible...was it rasterized at that res or downsized05:19
djszapiit was svg given to the harmattan icon generator.05:20
itsnotabigtruckso rasterized, probably05:20
* itsnotabigtruck shrugs05:20
djszapiI am not sure how that works, sorry.05:21
itsnotabigtruckanyway, it's certainly not worth delaying the ovi thing for that...05:21
djszapiother tool, I used, is uuencode05:21
djszapiso no edition by my, I have just provided an svg icon in the beginning05:22
itsnotabigtrucki should probably give my calendarrrrrrr app an icon, but it'll be obsolete on the order of a week anyway, heh05:23
itsnotabigtrucklol, the N9 battery looks nothing like that05:28
itsnotabigtrucka bunch of these battery shops just photoshopped the part number onto some generic nokia battery05:28
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Sazpaimonwhat would cause my ToolBarLayout to not show at the bottom06:22
Sazpaimonthe toolbar is showing, but im not getting it at the bottom06:22
djszapiSazpaimon: show your code06:35
Sazpaimondjszapi, i figured it out06:35
Sazpaimoni wasnt setting the tools variable06:35
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Sazpaimondjszapi, have I mentioned that this is my first real Qt/QML project?06:37
SazpaimonIm a gtk guy myself06:37
Sazpaimonand even then that's normally with plain C06:37
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djszapiyes, you mentioned many times ;-)06:40
djszapiany devs on Windows in here ?06:47
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itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: shoot06:58
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djszapiitsnotabigtruck: would need someone to test my qt5 patch07:06
itsnotabigtruckoh wonderful :/ last time i did a qt build it took on the order of overnight07:14
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djszapiitsnotabigtruck: what username would you like to have on c-obs ?08:23
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djszapilbt X-Fade c-obs (at least the Harmattan target) does not build anything.08:47
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DocScrutinizerSazpaimon: ooh, a GTK guy09:53
DocScrutinizerSazpaimon: how about looking into designing a alternative slider-type pushbutton, to LD_PRELOAD it with fremantle dialer?09:54
DocScrutinizermaybe even patch the dialer binary so the button name has one char changed, to point to your new slider-type button for "ACCEPT" and "REJECT" buttons09:56
DocScrutinizerSazpaimon: I'd be willing to patch the dialer and package the whole thing, but I'm no gtk guy to design such a slider pushbutton09:57
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fiferboyHi Jaffa14:25
SivaHi.. has anyone tried using QML Camera to capture a photo?14:38
jonniSiva: works nicely, although you might need to do trickery on orientation handling.14:39
Sivajonni: I tried code from the example here: But all i get is a black screen..14:40
djszapiSiva: have you actived the "work!" boolean flag ? ;)14:41
Sivadjszapi: well I assumed thats a given :D14:42
befordit worked for me Siva14:49
Sivabeford: The view finder is visible when the page loads with the Camera element?14:50
mgedminlol, in the n9's browser is funny14:52
mgedminwhat on earth happened to the fonts?14:52
djszapino idea, but that book is wonderful, read it !14:52
befordSiva, yes, I tried this example
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: btw, I think aegis-install is not a regression14:54
djszapiI think it is an improvement actually.14:54
djszapiit does not hide a bad behavior anymore.14:55
djszapiso I think signing the Nokia SDK repository is the real fix, or just drop the signing with any confusion involved altogether.14:55
djszapiLOL, Ovi Store updated my application in one day !14:56
mgedminwow my n9 is not responding to input14:57
djszapimgedmin: not even for hammer ?14:57
mgedminI thought it was supposed to be a touch phone, not a hammer phone14:57
djszapiI use my feet for playing the fingerdrum :D14:58
mgedminit unfroze14:59
mgedminloadavg 6.4014:59
petteriis there any way ssh -X to n9 and open windows locally15:00
mgedminvmstat shows constant 60% system and 50% iowait load; no swwapping, almost no io15:00
mgedminscratch that; no io at all15:00
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mgedmintop attributes those 60% to kswapd015:01
djszapiI mean seriously.... application update in one day ? That is really awesome!15:01
* mgedmin closes ALL THE APPS15:01
mgedminand the system is idle again15:02
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pai have a little problem with the N9 here.. i hvae installed the battery meter, and now it just told me that it detected battery draining. in the last 4 days it was4mW during idle, and now it is 6mW15:11
pawhat can it be?15:11
pai added filebox, kmplayer and somethingtv99 (adviced by kmplayer guy)15:11
pais there a "ps" or "top" in harmattan?15:11
mgedminmW or mA?15:12
djszapikmplayer ?15:12
djszapiwhy would you do that ?15:12
payou mean why would i add kmplayer?15:13
pato play  music over http without downloading it15:13
djszapiwas it revamped in qml ?15:13
pai think15:13
pasomeone pointed it to me yesterday15:13
djszapiwho was that ?15:14
jonniyes there is ps and top in commandline.15:15
pamgedmin, mA15:15
pai try to remove the stuff i installed15:20
pato see whether it fixes it15:20
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mgedminsigh, _my_ avg idle usage is 19 mA15:21
mgedminand here you're concerned about 6...15:22
pabut how comes?15:22
pawhat do you run while idle?15:22
mgedminwell, I usually have a browser open with
mgedminand fbreader15:22
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mgedminand there are those periodic services like weather or twitter15:23
pawell.. i have no applications open while idle15:23
pano twitter15:23
pano nothing15:23
mgedminturning on google talk + skype makes the phone warm and idle usage jump to 40-50 mA15:23
paso i wonder what increased to 6mA15:23
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djszapiinteresting that, the screenshots are updated, but not the content yet.15:31
djszapiovi, that is15:31
pamgedmin, do you know every how much is the battery drain updated?15:31
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mgedminpa, not really...15:33
djszapiadmiral0__ pa mgedmin vote for this bug, if I see it as a potential issue: (and of course, just in case you have not already done that)15:39
_MeeGoBot_Bug 978 maj, High, ---, ext-lavanya.alamuri, ASSI, Platform SDK repository lacks APT signature - incompatible with PR1.215:39
mgedmindo I have an account in harmattan-bugs?15:40
mgedminwhy you no support openid, bugzilla :(15:40
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Sivabeford: Not sure what I doing wrong.. i am just pushing this page: on the click of a button and I am getting only a black screen instead of the view finder..15:47
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jonniSiva: item is fullscreen on top of camera? have you tried to set z-order for camera? :)15:52
Sivajonni: yep I did.. tried z:15.. no luck..15:53
djszapiSiva: I have good luck pill somewhere in this building... :)15:59
Sivadjszapi: I thought those were over last february ;)16:00
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befordSiva, what firmware are you running? that's the only thing that comes to my mind, it works for me ok on 1.116:12
Sivabeford: I am running 1.2..16:14
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pais there any way to keep the phone recording video with the camera application in background?16:25
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admiral0__djszapi: voted yesterday16:30
djszapiso not vote :)16:34
itsnotabigtruckvote early vote often16:36
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itsnotabigtruckhm, now that i'm logged into obs everything just times out16:42
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Sivabeford: I figured it out.. it required some aegis magic :P now the orientation handling trickery.. jonni could you give ur pointers on this..16:47
befordevil aegis16:48
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itsnotabigtruckbtw what was the trick again required to get OBS to inject the _aegis file?16:50
itsnotabigtruckiirc there's a problem where the aegis manifest script doesn't run16:50
itsnotabigtruckthat's all a moot point though if i can't do anything while logged in though...16:51
itsnotabigtruckcan anyone else access OBS while authenticated?16:51
djszapithe fact that aegis-install is not properly configured16:51
djszapiand it is not even a trivial task.16:52
djszapiotherwise we would have eliminated the hash spammy lines, too.16:52
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itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: regarding the osc signkey thing, it looks like the project has to be specified explicitly17:16
itsnotabigtruckso i *think* osc signkey --create home:rzr ought to work17:18
itsnotabigtrucknot sure if rzr himself has to do that however17:18
itsnotabigtrucksince my OBS account is on the fritz i can't test for myself :p17:19
itsnotabigtruckthere's also a --http-full-debug argument that can be passed to osc to make it dump out http info17:19
itsnotabigtruckno wireshark needed17:19
djszapithe Nokia SDK BPO has also answered a very negative one about this signing..17:20
itsnotabigtruckso they won't fix their installer and they won't fix their repository, is what this is sounding like17:21
itsnotabigtruckand the very fact that the signing bug kicks in on some repos and not others is proof positive this is definitely not some intentional security feature17:22
itsnotabigtruckeven if people are claiming it is after the fact17:22
itsnotabigtruckin any case, bug 978 is up to 27 votes17:23
_MeeGoBot_Bug maj, High, ---, ext-lavanya.alamuri, ASSI, Platform SDK repository lacks APT signature - incompatible with PR1.217:23
itsnotabigtrucka bunch of those happened just this morning17:23
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djszapiis it really a huge job to make a signature ?17:38
djszapiI thought it was not too big job...17:38
itsnotabigtruckkeep in mind that when you brought it up with the SDK people they might have thought you wanted them to sign the SDK repo with a trusted key17:41
itsnotabigtruckwhich could be a security liability and depending on how careful nokia is with its keys, could be complicated17:42
itsnotabigtruckbut yeah, it's very easy to sign the repo17:42
itsnotabigtruckyou sign Release and put the signature in Release.gpg17:43
itsnotabigtruckthat's pretty much it17:43
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi ^17:43
itsnotabigtruckexcept that the current Release file doesn't contain hashes...17:44
itsnotabigtruckif they're using dpkg-scanpackages they might need to switch to apt-ftparchive17:45
djszapiit should be a fairly straight-forward job17:46
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djszapiso any devs here on Windows ?17:57
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djszapiqt development is like few hours to write a patch, and then asking for people to help with mac and windows :D17:57
gridjszapi: I just rebooted from windows to linux again :)17:57
djszapihow does that help for me ? :)17:58
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gribut you can have a remote desktop on my mac for testing if you want17:58
djszapimac works.17:59
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befr0dmy win7 vm's stopped working with the latest kernel upgrade, can't help you18:03
gridjszapi: What needs to be tested?18:04
djszapigri: qt5 patch18:04
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: some people at Nokia: :P18:04
jonniSiva: put Camera inside Rectangle, like: Rectangle { anchors.fill: parent; rotation: screen.currentOrientation == 1 ? 90 :0; Camera { ....18:05
djszapi(just joking)18:05
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: but yeah, best if I do the job for them ...18:08
djszapigri: also, I lost my sake for testing when git bash did not work. I will not use nmake and so on.18:08
Sivajonni: that solves the view finder but the captured picture is still in the wrong orientation.. any workarounds for that?18:11
jonniSiva: post processing in c++ :)18:12
itsnotabigtruckdamn, is off the 1st forum page18:12
befordforcing landscape maybe easier18:13
Sivajonni: got it! any bug filed already for this that I could follow?18:13
Sivabeford: unfortunately my app needs to be in portrait :(18:14
jonnithere was a bug (or feature), but dont remember the bug number anymore.18:14
befordI was thinking about the camera ui, when you rotate it seems like only the button image rotates18:16
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befordmaybe its some 'fake' portrait mode, don't know :P18:17
jonnibuts its only few lines of code to hackaround with QImage and QTransform.18:17
befordthats good then :P18:18
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djszapi|windowsheck, getting windows support is not funny in qt :)19:23
djszapi|windowsall sort of pita thingie...19:23
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itsnotabigtruckbeford: are you nbedford on tmo? just replied to your post about calendarrr (i think)19:38
beford nop, munozferna19:39
itsnotabigtruckheh ok19:39
itsnotabigtruck could someone post something here?19:40
itsnotabigtruck(the pr1.2 apt signing thread)19:40
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befordi said hi19:48
itsnotabigtruckjust need to keep the thread visible for a while to ensure enough outrage gets generated19:48
befordjk, got it into the track of the question again19:48
befordalso added a question19:48
djszapi|windowsjust say "fuck aegis(TM)"19:48
djszapi|windowsand get popcorn :)19:48
itsnotabigtruckas for the sdk, not sure - aegis skips a lot of stuff on scratchbox19:49
itsnotabigtruckalso since they aren't exactly doing much of a job keeping the scratchbox sdk up to date nothing will change in all likelihood19:49
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befordoh its aegis that is blocking it? i thought it was about the apt/secureapt thing19:50
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itsnotabigtruckbeford: aegis contains logic that checks for apt signatures19:50
befordwell fuck aegis19:50
itsnotabigtruckthe packages from the main nokia repo aren't actually signed themselves, the repo is signed through apt19:50
djszapi|windowsbeford: no, it is SDK issue19:50
djszapi|windowsbeford: why ?19:51
itsnotabigtruckit's both...19:51
djszapi|windowswe made it this way to ensure about the proper signing19:51
djszapi|windowsit was missing previously, so it got the bug hidden19:51
befordfuck both? :P not sure, just blaiming aegis :D19:51
djszapi|windowsif the signing was messed up in a repository19:51
itsnotabigtruckjust because the sdk repo ought to be signed doesn't mean aegis is working properly19:51
itsnotabigtrucksigning the repo is a mitigation, not a fix19:52
djszapi|windowsit is /the/ fix19:52
djszapi|windowsotherwise, the sdk repo can remove the bogus stuff19:52
djszapi|windowsso it is getting working then as with the comm repo19:52
* djszapi|windows back to windows qt5 testing19:52
djszapi|windowsso somehow the SDK repo is in between state19:55
djszapi|windowswhich is wrong19:55
djszapi|windowsaegis-install did not detect it previously, and it now does.19:55
djszapi|windowsmeanwhile aegis-install can be fixed, the SDK repo modification is for sure a way to the nice fix.19:56
djszapi|windowsstill not sure what exactly messes up aegis install since I do not know the details19:56
djszapi|windowsmight be that, that would also need some fixing, but changing a core component in the system is no go anyway in this stage19:57
djszapi|windowsI am pretty sure this regression happened because of a change in this core component19:57
djszapi|windowsand the maintainer could not test it out since we do not use internally this SDK repository.19:57
djszapi|windowsso the bug was not caught.19:57
djszapi|windowsand there are many other situations like that19:57
djszapi|windowsso praying for aegis-install fix is no go imho19:57
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itsnotabigtruckdjszapi|windows: and the fact that no one at nokia actually uses that repo is a problem in and of itself20:00
itsnotabigtruckwhen everything is divided into "the real stuff" and "the public stuff"20:00
itsnotabigtruckit's no surprise that the scraps that get thrown out for outside devs get neglected20:01
djszapi|windowsas I said, that is not hte problem20:01
djszapi|windowssince this repo was not meant for device usage20:01
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djszapi|windowsso this repo is normally no go anyway20:01
djszapi|windowswe should not deal with this20:01
djszapi|windowsit was a missing documentation, that is all20:01
djszapi|windowsso we built more layers on top of it sadly.20:01
itsnotabigtruckwell, there's also the problem of the sdk repo not being in sync with > beta 320:01
djszapi|windowsthat is why we need this repo fixed, but my vote is still migrating out of this repo20:02
djszapi|windowsbeta3 should be got rid of20:02
djszapi|windowsonce they fix this, if any20:02
djszapi|windowswe need to poke X-Fade to nuke it20:02
djszapi|windowsand we need to being importing packages.20:02
djszapi|windowsto be*20:02
djszapi|windowsthis fix is just about not pulling out the ground underneath20:03
djszapi|windowsnot eternal savior.20:03
djszapi|windowsthis repo can have zillion issues20:03
djszapi|windowssince it was not tested inside the security framework20:03
djszapi|windowssame with other teams probably as well20:03
itsnotabigtruckwell, it would probably be a good idea to build everything from sdk_sources_pr1.2 (if that ever gets released...)20:06
itsnotabigtruckand put that in a repo, and hopefully load it into obs20:06
djszapi|windowswhy would we need to load that into obs ?20:09
djszapi|windowsyou do not have that repo loaded into scratchbox either20:10
djszapi|windowsnor into madde.20:10
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi|windows: to build stuff against pr1.1 and pr1.2 apis20:12
djszapi|windowsit is not a requirement for apps4meego20:12
itsnotabigtruckbecause those apis do thing and those things can be useful20:12
itsnotabigtruckwhat kind of question is that20:12
djszapi|windowsalso you can have it fine in teh repository anyway20:12
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djszapi|windowsnot sure I understand what you are talking about.20:13
djszapi|windowswe would have a pr1.1 and pr1.2 separation20:13
djszapi|windowsjust like there is now with the harmattan and harmattan3, something similar yeah20:14
itsnotabigtruckwell, for example, my calendarrr app, it depends on an api added to libtimed-dev >= 2.51 which allows trigger on zone change20:14
djszapi|windowswe do not need to bloat the bootstrap bit of c-obs20:14
itsnotabigtruckbeta3 ships with libtimed-dev = 2.5020:14
djszapi|windowsespecially because one or two people can only update then20:14
djszapi|windowsinstead of the whole community20:14
itsnotabigtrucksure, you don't need trigger on zone change in the common case20:14
itsnotabigtruckbut the world never got anywhere by building things to the absolute lowest requirement20:15
djszapi|windowsapps/tools have the packages for ovi20:15
djszapi|windowsthat you can use there.20:15
djszapi|windowsso as for ovi, you should never really use this Nokia SDK repository20:16
itsnotabigtrucker, we aren't even talking about ovi20:16
itsnotabigtruckand second, what i'm complaining about is the fact that apps/tools are 6 months ahead of the sdk repo20:16
itsnotabigtruckwhich you SHOULD be able to use for building your apps in the first place, from scratchbox20:16
itsnotabigtruckthe justification was that ovi requires pr1.0 compatibility anyway, but not everything is destined for ovi20:17
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djszapi|windows_so as for ovi development, it is rather dangerous to use this repo anyway20:17
djszapi|windows_apps/tools overlap should be nuked20:18
djszapi|windows_and the left-over should be put into the community repository20:18
djszapi|windows_and be done20:18
djszapi|windows_so honestly: we made a huge mistake20:19
djszapi|windows_but not by our dumbness20:19
djszapi|windows_because they were not taking care of writing 1! sentence into the doucmentation20:20
djszapi|windows_"Hey guys, this repo is not meant for production use"20:20
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RzRany progress on signing repo ?20:36
itsnotabigtruckRzR: try specifying your repo name explicitly on the osc command20:36
itsnotabigtruckosc signkey --create home:...20:36
itsnotabigtruckalso there's a command line argument that will cause osc to dump all its http requests20:37
itsnotabigtruckway easier than trying to sniff it20:37
RzRdid try that yesterday20:37
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RzRi remember I used that before too20:38
itsnotabigtruckas for the bug, there's a whole bunch more votes on it and it got changed from NEW to ASSIGNED20:38
itsnotabigtruckother than that, nothing new20:38
itsnotabigtrucki'm supposed to have an OBS account now and i'd be able to test with that, except OBS times out if i try to do anything while logged in20:39
itsnotabigtruckvery strange issue20:39
RzR# osc --http-full-debug signkey  home:rzr 2>&1 | grep Error20:39
RzRServer returned an error: HTTP Error 404: Not Found20:39
RzRheader: X-Opensuse-Errorcode: unknown20:39
RzRheader: X-Opensuse-Errorcode: unknown20:39
RzRheader: X-Opensuse-Errorcode: unknown_project20:39
itsnotabigtruckhrm, unknown_project eh20:39
RzRosc --http-full-debug signkey  home 2>&1 | grep Opensuse20:40
RzRheader: X-Opensuse-APIVersion: 2.3.020:40
RzRheader: X-Opensuse-Errorcode: unknown20:40
RzRheader: X-Opensuse-APIVersion: 2.3.020:40
RzRheader: X-Opensuse-Errorcode: unknown_project20:40
RzRwe're screwed20:40
RzRwe're not existing20:40
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itsnotabigtruckrzr: try running another command instead20:46
itsnotabigtruckthat accepts a project name20:46
itsnotabigtruckmaybe it requires some weird syntax for the name20:46
RzRlike ls ?20:47
RzRor checkout ? :)20:47
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RzRare  there any param to grep in ? osc config --dump-full20:51
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djszapi|windows_I got stuck in the Nokia building21:29
djszapi|windows_apparently the gate does not work after 9pm21:29
jaywinkdjszapi|windows_, call security, they will let you out :)21:30
djszapi|windows_I am from the security team ;)21:31
djszapi|windows_right, let us call the bodyguards...21:32
merlin1991first world problems, complaining on irc that one is stuck in a building :D21:32
djszapi|windows_actually I was thinking of staying here :P21:33
vLassidjszapi|windows_: that is pretty cool, you can talk all the way going out :P21:33
* vLassi been there21:33
Anssi138djszapi did you stuck in aquarium? :)21:33
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djszapiN9i realized why ovi accepted kanagram in one day.21:40
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djszapiN9it is because they did not accept the content, just the screenshot. Thereby, they are a bit obscure with the mail.21:43
djszapiN9also accepting the screenshot distinctly from the content is strange from end user pov...21:44
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befordi think there is a bug about that djszapi21:48
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djszapiN9keep an eye on nokia at mwc btw21:58
befordI believe it was filled by this guy if you care enough to filter the bugs reported by him21:59
_MeeGoBot_Bug 942 nor, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, ASSI, unable to update (0.0.x changed) an application without payment21:59
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Sazpaimon__I love how google searching meego doesnt even have as the first result22:05
* Sazpaimon__ rolls eyes22:05
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djszapiN9beford, that repost is not much use22:08
Sazpaimon__hey guys22:09
Sazpaimon__those inputs22:09
djszapiN9since we had it reported internally long ago22:09
jaywinkbeen trying not to use MeeGo personally, people always ask "Isn't it dead?" .. Nokia should just call it Harmattan or Maemo 6 .. as long as it can be called anything anyway ;)22:09
Sazpaimon__how do they have that deselected color22:09
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djszapiN9Sazpaimon, using platform style22:10
Sazpaimonits off white when's deselected and pure white when selected22:10
ZogG_laptopSazpaimon: what is this blue icon there?22:11
SazpaimonZogG_laptop, on the top?22:12
ZogG_laptopSazpaimon: yes22:12
Sazpaimonnext to bluetooth? its the voicemail icon22:12
Sazpaimoni never check my voicemai22:12
Sazpaimonits almost always bill collectors22:12
ZogG_laptopi never had those =)22:12
ZogG_laptopnever saw it22:13
SazpaimondjszapiN9, also, how do they get the username and password text like that. I'm using a column layout and I dont see any way to change the spacing on a per cell basis22:13
Sazpaimoni had to resort to manually setting y values22:14
Sazpaimoni really need to learn more qml...22:14
ZogG_laptopdjszapiN9: internal is nokia or qt?22:14
djszapiN9Sazpaimon, margins22:18
djszapiN9and spacing22:18
djszapiN9ZogG_laptop, it is a nokia ovi store issue, not qt.22:18
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ZogG_laptopdjszapiN9: so can you ask guy from internal for this bug to comment (
_MeeGoBot_Bug 493 nor, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, ASSI, better libxauth documentetion and usage examples22:28
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djszapiN9i will not22:33
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djszapiN9and damn you, i forgot to press the get off button on the bus because of replying to you22:34
ZogG_laptopdjszapiN9: ok22:35
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matrixxdjszapiN9: heh, one for twitter again, I've done it too22:44
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djszapiN9matrixx, mmh ?22:51
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itsnotabigtruckstrange, i ordered some cds from a shop in the UK, they shipped from switzerland22:59
djszapiis there nice swiss chocolate with it ? :P23:00
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djszapiWindows*Qt combination is killing me..23:00
Chaz6I'm still hoping there might one day be a standard Qt library installer for windoes (like msvc, .net etc)23:03
itsnotabigtruckcould someone type a lowercase crossed o :p23:03
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itsnotabigtruckoh yay, finally found it23:03
jaywinka lowercase crossed o23:03
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Chaz6AltGr+l on us-international layout23:04
itsnotabigtrucki need to set up an international layout on my windows install23:04
Chaz6Weird that there's no uk-international or au-international23:04
itsnotabigtruckthe problem with the stock one is that instead of AltGr it uses dead keys23:04
itsnotabigtruckas in, when you type an apostrophe you don't get an apostrophe unless you press it twice23:05
itsnotabigtruckno thanks :/23:05
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Chaz6Well it uses both altgr and dead keys23:05
djszapidead keys with dead platforms ftw :)23:05
Chaz6I like the dead keys23:05
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Chaz6makes accents easy23:05
itsnotabigtrucknot that much easier than altgr+apos e though23:05
Chaz6there are 4 or 5 different accents you can give characters23:06
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Chaz6with altgr you could only get one accent23:06
Chaz6óòöõ is easy with dead keys23:07
itsnotabigtruckwell, you'd use altgr together with different keys23:07
itsnotabigtrucklike ms word uses ctrl+apos (acute), ctrl+comma (cedille), ctrl+backtick (grave), ctrl+shift+colon (diaeresis/umlaut), etc.23:07
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ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: ☭23:22
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: hehe23:23
itsnotabigtrucktoo bad putty can't do font substitution, anything other than the basic stuff comes up as a blank23:24
itsnotabigtrucklike the most awesome unicode symbol evar23:24
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: so u can't see it?23:24
ZogG_laptop♥ =)23:25
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: just had to copy and paste :p23:25
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: did you copy them too?23:26
ZogG_laptopi don't remember how to make a small man23:26
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ZogG_laptopgonna google it23:26
ZogG_laptopfound snow man ☃23:27
Chaz6Do you have pile of poo yet?23:27
ZogG_laptopChaz6: on linux here23:29
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griphew, porting something from harmattan to maemo5 is not as easy as I thought :(23:38
matrixxdjszapi: or actually one for irc, and one for twitter, I also missed my bus stop one time..23:39
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ZogG_laptopmatrixx: he missed it coz he was excited to tell that he has connections but don't care to help. =) karma is a biatch =)23:49
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: did you manage to get out of nokia prison? :p23:49
itsnotabigtruckwhat kind of corporate HQ doesn't have a way to leave after hours...ridiculous23:51
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ZogG_laptopX-Fade: ping23:54
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