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| jpwhiting | hey all, is there anyone here that knows how contacts in Harmattan Contacts app are pulled from Telepathy? | 00:09 |
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| jpwhiting | I see a telepathy plugin in the contactsd repository, and I also see a contacts importer for telepathy-qt4 contacts that uses a ContactSearch interface on the cm | 00:10 |
| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, so im trying to make my steam account page match up to standard accounts like you suggested, but there's 2 things I cant figure out | 00:16 |
| Sazpaimon | 1. when unselected, the inputs are styled with a darker background | 00:16 |
| Sazpaimon | 2. When the username box is selected, enter is replaced with next on the vkb, which goes to the password box, which replaces the key with OK | 00:17 |
| Sazpaimon | is this all part of the TextField element? | 00:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hm | 00:18 |
| matrixx | ZogG_laptop: heh | 00:18 |
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| Sazpaimon | also on the username box, "," is replaced with "@" | 00:19 |
| Sazpaimon | but i dont really need that | 00:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, obviously there's some way to override that stuff | 00:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | maybe the accounts plugins use MTF rather than Qt? | 00:19 |
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| Sazpaimon | its possible | 00:19 |
| Sazpaimon | if thats the case i guess I can just leave it how i have it | 00:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ugh, had i waited longer to get my N9 i could have obtained a 64gb for a sane price | 00:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 64gb was such a ripoff for the longest time | 00:20 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82515 | 00:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 00:45 |
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| ieatlint | itsnotabigtruck: the grue sensor is actually related to the proximity sensor on the n9 | 01:10 |
| ieatlint | at least, from what i recall | 01:10 |
| ieatlint | covering the proximity sensor reduces your risk of grue attack ("hiding") | 01:10 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 01:15 |
| ieatlint | it's demo code... a well documented instruction on how to implement new sensors | 01:15 |
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| Arkenoi | how is dropbox account expected to work? as sharing option? | 01:40 |
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| Sazpaimon | i just took the cover off my N9 | 02:07 |
| Sazpaimon | holy crap | 02:07 |
| Sazpaimon | how did it get so dirty under there | 02:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 02:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i still can't decide on a proper case | 02:08 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/carrying-cases-and-style/carrying-cases/angry-birds-generic-pouch-cp-3007 how about this! :p | 02:11 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | how well does the N9 fit in iphone4 vertical pouches | 02:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it looks like dimension-wise they aren't far apart | 02:32 |
| Sazpaimon | hey so like | 02:35 |
| Sazpaimon | pageStack.push(Qt.resolvedUrl("SteamGuard.qml"), {}, true); | 02:35 |
| Sazpaimon | file:///opt/steamplugin/qml/MainPage.qml:109: TypeError: Result of expression 'pageStack' [null] is not an object. | 02:35 |
| Sazpaimon | what? | 02:35 |
| Sazpaimon | i mean, it works and all, the new page is added, but it still returns that error | 02:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | argh, qml | 02:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | all everyone wants to talk about is their qml apps misbehaving >_> | 02:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1168005#post1168005 < what is jolo's affiliation? | 02:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | can't be working for mozilla (mentions having "discussions with mozilla"), and probably not working for nokia (which wouldn't be very interested in 3rd party browser ports) | 02:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nm, apparently he is on nokia payroll | 02:42 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: did you get your contact question solved ? | 02:42 |
| djszapi | matrixx: okay. | 02:43 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: please do not use me, as your personal helper for bugs that I do not care about. | 02:44 |
| djszapi | 02:35 < Sazpaimon> file:///opt/steamplugin/qml/MainPage.qml:109: TypeError: Result of expression 'pageStack' [null] is not an object. -> huh ? | 02:45 |
| djszapi | how did you think we can check that url out ? | 02:45 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: not sure what you mean about prison.... | 02:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: didn't notice you already got out...you changing nicks all the time messes up my color coding over here :p | 02:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i meant not being able to leave the building after hours, like you were complaining about | 02:48 |
| djszapi | ahhh, yes, I got out. | 02:48 |
| * djszapi reboots to windows again :/ | 02:49 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | since at least everywhere i've worked (which is not many places) either just has a plain old door, or a lobby with long hours | 02:49 |
| beford | i'm wrking from home now | 02:53 |
| beford | :D | 02:53 |
| beford | xD | 02:53 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | i'm getting *really* sick of this whatsapp nonsense | 02:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's yet another thread about it on tmo begging someone to RE the protocol | 02:53 |
| beford | lol | 02:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | maybe it would be different were whatsapp actually something worth caring about | 02:54 |
| djszapi|windows | not worse than qt&windows :P | 02:54 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | hm, meecast 0.5 is out, with the proper font now | 02:57 |
| djszapi|windows | so there is no proper builtin editor into windows ? LOL | 03:00 |
| beford | whats wrong with notepad | 03:00 |
| beford | xD | 03:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi|windows: download notepad++ | 03:01 |
| djszapi|windows | beford: the fact it does not work for double click | 03:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's kinda like a souped up gedit, for windows | 03:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | despite the name it isn't much like notepad | 03:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | notepad is awful | 03:02 |
| djszapi|windows | itsnotabigtruck: no, thanks. Downlonding (g)vim. :) | 03:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw what are the appsformeego apt lines | 03:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i can't find them | 03:02 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ugh, for whatever reason this is nowhere documented, guess they really want people to install that client :/ | 03:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | deb http://repo.apps.formeego.org/harmattan/apps/ ./ | 03:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | deb http://repo.apps.formeego.org/harmattan/apps-testing/ ./ | 03:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for reference | 03:13 |
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| Sazpaimon | djszapi, did you ever find the location of the info icon? | 03:18 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | is everything on the N9 hardwired to launch grob, or is there a concept of a default browser? | 03:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | this is going to become important with opera out now, firefox hacked on, and possibly an official firefox coming soon | 03:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | on symbian there isn't, which is a big problem because the default browser is useless but all the built-in apps always launch it | 03:35 |
| Jare | whatsapp grrr.. I can't wait when someone asks if I'm using it :E | 03:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hm http://my-meego.com/software/applications.php?fldAuto=683&faq=9 | 03:36 |
| Jare | or any other of those "new" "sms-like" services | 03:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, the basic concept isn't bad...i'd like to see a free, security-oriented, open, whatsapp-type setup | 03:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | xmpp sorta does that but it isn't very good on the security-oriented criterion, and software support for it is uniformly horrible | 03:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but this hypothetical setup could just be a fancy gui on top of an xmpp server | 03:37 |
| Jare | aren't there enough im services already? | 03:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah but the problem is that they aren't getting bigger | 03:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in fact they're losing steam or have already lost it | 03:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | xmpp never really had a chance, aim/msn/yahoo are generally out of fashion | 03:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | steam chat and facebook chat get a fair amount of use despite being terrible, but only because they're closely tied to steam and facebook | 03:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for the general population it's all about sms and that's a problem | 03:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also even though xmpp and several other im services have store-and-forward capability, most people don't use that | 03:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | im clients don't usually 'feel' the same as sms, which sits somewhere between im and email | 03:40 |
| Jare | so basically we are back to user experience and marketing... | 03:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pretty much, but those make all the difference in the world | 03:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's what so many people don't understand | 03:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's why xmpp has taken off like a tonne of bricks outside of a small niche | 03:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and personally i use xmpp but i don't like it | 03:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not with the current stagnated state of clients and servers | 03:41 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | on the other hand, i mentioned security oriented | 03:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the big selling point w/ whatsapp and xms and all those is that they scan your address book for phone numbers ans associate them with im contacts | 03:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in order to have a secure link, you'd have to either a) eliminate that element, and instead swap public key fingerprints with the other person | 03:43 |
| Jare | and that's the biggest point I hate about them | 03:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | b) strongly encourage the user to call the contact and compare short authentication strings | 03:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is convenient since you already have the contact's phone number, and you're on a phone | 03:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but realistically people aren't going to like either approach | 03:45 |
| Jare | I guess a secure hash of contacs' phone numbers would be sufficient (for me) | 03:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | search space is too small | 03:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | us phone number = 10 digits long | 03:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so lg(10^10) = 33.21 | 03:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's not going to be all that much bigger including all numbers worldwide | 03:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's trivial to recover a set of possible phone numbers with a search space that small | 03:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and if you drop bits then you increase the collision probability by a lot, and in many cases the attacker could filter out impossible phone numbers and find the real one | 03:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jare ^ | 03:49 |
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| jpwhiting | djszapi: no but I think I know how to find the answer | 04:12 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9KyBdPeKHg&feature=youtu.be&t=23s | 04:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh man, oh god, oh man, oh god, oh man!!!! | 04:53 |
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| Jare | weird, I added a SIP number to a contact about six hours ago and now it's gone | 04:59 |
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| Jare | at first it lost the assignment from phone logs, but now it has deleted the number from the contact too | 05:00 |
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| djszapi|windows | interesting, the bug fix was one liner for the qt5 patch on Windows... | 05:05 |
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| Sazpaimon | djszapi djszapi|windows, ping | 05:29 |
| djszapi | pong | 05:31 |
| Sazpaimon | did you ever find the info icon | 05:32 |
| Sazpaimon | i need it too | 05:32 |
| djszapi | yes of course | 05:32 |
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| djszapi | http://minus.com/mynlu12IJ | 05:33 |
| Sazpaimon | oh you made your own? I thought you were looking for the one that appears in the settings applet | 05:33 |
| djszapi | have you ever checked the link I pasted two lines above ? | 05:34 |
| djszapi | That is exactly the same. | 05:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw i *think* kanagram settings is supposed to be sentence-cased | 05:35 |
| Sazpaimon | really? it lokks different | 05:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or possibly just Kanagram, or Settings | 05:35 |
| Sazpaimon | the one in settings has no gradient background | 05:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: are you sure it isn't just the 90* rotation | 05:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hmm | 05:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you're right | 05:35 |
| Sazpaimon | the one in settings is smaller, and has a flat background | 05:35 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: yes, of course, because it looks cooler | 05:35 |
| djszapi | but it is still a platform icon anyway | 05:36 |
| djszapi | so the uglier is next to it. | 05:36 |
| Sazpaimon | djszapi, what's the QML to get it? | 05:36 |
| Sazpaimon | if you dont mind | 05:36 |
| djszapi | in what currency do you plan to pay ? Eur/Huf is okay for me ;) | 05:37 |
| Sazpaimon | sure, I'll pay you 0.00EUR | 05:37 |
| djszapi | just go ahead on your own way then ;-) | 05:38 |
| Sazpaimon | :( | 05:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | image://theme/icon-l-user-guide-main-view | 05:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but since that one isn't the real deal, better use the other one instead | 05:44 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah i just saw it in the kanagram repository | 05:44 |
| Sazpaimon | and djszapi bundles the icon | 05:44 |
| djszapi | bundles the icon ? | 05:44 |
| djszapi | in any case, why do you wanna have the uglier ? | 05:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | man, there's a lot of icons here for commercial apps that aren't available for harmattan, bundled or otherwise | 05:46 |
| Sazpaimon | djszapi, thats a matter of opinion | 05:47 |
| Sazpaimon | i like the flat background icon better | 05:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the N9 must have been destined for at&t at some point, them having icons bundled in | 05:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | icon-s-description | 05:48 |
| Sazpaimon | i was just confused because icon-l-user-guide-main-view.png is in the application itself | 05:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's the settings box one ^^ | 05:48 |
| Sazpaimon | thanks | 05:48 |
| djszapi | the flat is really ugly to me | 05:49 |
| djszapi | I do not understand why they chose it | 05:49 |
| djszapi | but the settings application is a design fail in any case | 05:49 |
| djszapi | do you also wanna replicate their crappy user guide ? | 05:49 |
| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, actually are you sure? | 05:49 |
| djszapi | white page, that is | 05:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hm? the settings app is quite elegant imo | 05:49 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: huh ?? | 05:49 |
| Sazpaimon | https://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-theme-graphics/blobs/raw/73aa574bab894844e0afdd3052dee25dfadb44f5/icons/icon-s-description.svg | 05:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it does what it needs to do with a clean layout | 05:49 |
| djszapi | have you ever opened up a user guide ? | 05:49 |
| djszapi | huh ? | 05:50 |
| djszapi | that is a design fail, and that is not just my opinion, also designers said it. | 05:50 |
| djszapi | the icon info is yet another pitfall | 05:50 |
| djszapi | from what I think and heard from designers | 05:50 |
| djszapi | not just the flat uglyness, but also the inconsistency | 05:51 |
| Sazpaimon | i dont want to replicate the user guide, I just think that icon looks better next to a textfield element | 05:51 |
| djszapi | the icons are not really in a column | 05:51 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: if you do not wanna have user guide, why have user guide icon ? | 05:51 |
| Sazpaimon | because it's useful for more than just the user guide | 05:51 |
| Sazpaimon | unless there's a version with ? inside instead of "i" | 05:52 |
| djszapi | wrong | 05:52 |
| djszapi | because of two reasons | 05:52 |
| djszapi | 1) It is a placeholder for the user guide on Harmattan | 05:52 |
| djszapi | 2) If you do not have user guide in there, what else do you have ? | 05:52 |
| djszapi | infobanner ? Sounds crappy. | 05:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's icons for qik, layar, grob, journeys, shazam, vimeo, a widget gallery, dopplr, firefox, aim, at&t, icq, tippit, msn messenger, hotmail, myspace, yahoo messenger, vodafone | 05:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that are, afaik, nowhere utilised | 05:52 |
| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, extraplugins utilizes a few of those | 05:53 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: but you are welcome without even saying thanks :) | 05:53 |
| Sazpaimon | but yeah, otherwise unussed officialy | 05:53 |
| Sazpaimon | [22:48] <Sazpaimon> thanks | 05:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and dropbox will use the dropbox one in pr1.2 | 05:53 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: oh yes, you said that to itsnotabigtruck | 05:53 |
| djszapi | who did not actually write the code :) | 05:53 |
| djszapi | and did not suck with it for half a day. | 05:54 |
| Sazpaimon | no I didn't, i said thanks in general | 05:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeesh | 05:54 |
| djszapi | be clearer please next time. | 05:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, looks like there's a green store icon too | 05:54 |
| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, doesnt the store have a "green" section | 05:54 |
| Sazpaimon | or some crap | 05:54 |
| djszapi | not just about thanks, but in general, whom to reply to | 05:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: hmm, gp | 05:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but this is called icon-m-service-ovi | 05:55 |
| djszapi | if you reply after someone is writing more posts, it is not straight-forward at all | 05:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh yeah, there's a gigfinder icon too | 05:55 |
| Sazpaimon | I'll make sure to let the ietf know to update the RFC for IRC to add a thanks button | 05:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | gigfinder i think is in some of the alpha screenshots on the nokia dev site | 05:55 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: this is something I sucked with for half a day | 05:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 05:55 |
| djszapi | so you are extremely lucky to get it for free in few minutes really :) | 05:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also 'sucked with' is probably not what one would usually say :p | 05:56 |
| djszapi | this reminds me I should make the app paid | 05:58 |
| djszapi | too much effort I dealt with it to have it free. | 05:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | uh oh... | 05:59 |
| * itsnotabigtruck clones the repo at the first sign of trouble | 05:59 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | :p | 05:59 |
| djszapi | it is not against | 05:59 |
| Sazpaimon | someone I know did that with a project he was working on | 05:59 |
| djszapi | coders | 05:59 |
| djszapi | I think you slightly misunderstood | 05:59 |
| djszapi | plus you do not have the debian package anyway | 06:00 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | hm, what exactly is grob (besides the browser) | 06:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i guess the browser is the most likly explanation...in which case, good thing they didn't decide to make the browser a giant G | 06:05 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | not finding much for journeys either...i bet there were going to be city guides like what maps on symbian has | 06:13 |
| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, there's nokia city scene in the store | 06:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: not really the same thing | 06:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but i haven't heard very great things about nokia maps travel guides anyway | 06:15 |
| Sazpaimon | i wouldnt know | 06:15 |
| Sazpaimon | last symbian phone I had was an E71 | 06:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | looks like porting dopplr to the N9 was considered at some point, makes sense given that nokia owns it | 06:15 |
| Sazpaimon | and even though that got the updated maps with TTS, they omitted all the travel guides | 06:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | except they promptly killed it off right after buying it | 06:16 |
| Sazpaimon | and just left navigation | 06:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah | 06:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i had an e71 too | 06:16 |
| Sazpaimon | awesome device | 06:16 |
| Sazpaimon | I would have gotten an E72 if I didn't end up getting an N900 | 06:16 |
| Sazpaimon | or whatever S^3 variant they came up with | 06:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | eh...it seems like the whole non-touchscreen nokia line peaked with the e71 | 06:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e72 and the others don't look very good | 06:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though there were some other cool nokias at the time, like the e90, which looks aweome | 06:17 |
| Sazpaimon | well | 06:18 |
| Sazpaimon | the E73 from tmobile was kinda nice | 06:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but everything after the E71, excepting the maemo phones, seems distinctly unappealing | 06:18 |
| Sazpaimon | it had all the great features of the E72 plus more | 06:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | as if design got thrown out the window at some point | 06:18 |
| Sazpaimon | but it was tmobile exclusive | 06:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, the e73 was basically an e72 in an e71 chassis :p | 06:18 |
| Sazpaimon | it was more than that | 06:19 |
| Sazpaimon | it had a curved keyboard at least | 06:19 |
| Sazpaimon | and the optical navi key | 06:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the point is though that it isn't really a distinct entity | 06:19 |
| Sazpaimon | it isn't no | 06:20 |
| Sazpaimon | but you couldnt really do a whole lot with that design | 06:20 |
| Sazpaimon | and they rehashed it numerious times in C series phones too | 06:20 |
| Sazpaimon | just more plastic | 06:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | n95, e71, e90, those were the stuff | 06:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the rest...eh | 06:21 |
| * djszapi has a next billion device | 06:21 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | heh | 06:21 |
| Sazpaimon | as far as feature phones go, S40 is really nice | 06:21 |
| Sazpaimon | i think thats where nokia really shines | 06:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's a shame the entire industry is shifting entirely away from traditional phones, sometimes you don't want a touchscreen thing | 06:22 |
| Sazpaimon | with their S40 phones that do one thing really really good | 06:22 |
| Sazpaimon | whether it be music, texting, great loudspeaker | 06:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e.g. at&t is dumping its entire non-smartphone lineup and adding a bunch of wannabe-smartphones that run some qualcomm stuff | 06:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | those are the worst of both worlds | 06:22 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah i didnt want to get an N900 for years because I couldnt see myself with a touchscreen | 06:22 |
| Sazpaimon | I gave in eventually, but told myself I wouldnt get a phone like an iphone because i cant see myself without a keyboard | 06:23 |
| * Sazpaimon glares at his N9 | 06:23 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's the thing, touchscreen done right is great, touchscreen done wrong is an abomination | 06:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | see: winmo, s60 >= 5.0, etc. | 06:23 |
| djszapi | who cares about technical trails. If it is pink, it is okay anyway ;) | 06:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | never used an n900 so i can't comment on that, though the resistive touchscreen definitely kept me away | 06:24 |
| Sazpaimon | s60 >= 5.0 doesnt include belle right? | 06:24 |
| Sazpaimon | because i think nokia finally got it right with belle | 06:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: well, belle is rehashed s60, so yeah :p | 06:24 |
| Sazpaimon | well, belle completely abandons all the avkon UI doesnt it? | 06:24 |
| Sazpaimon | iirc its completely Qt based | 06:25 |
| Sazpaimon | unlike S^3 and anna which were more transitional | 06:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i doubt it's even possible to do that | 06:25 |
| Sazpaimon | that was the eventual idea | 06:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that would be a 99% bc break and nokia wouldn't do that | 06:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hardly anything on symbian uses qt | 06:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | all symbian has going for it is backward compatibility | 06:26 |
| Sazpaimon | im sure they would have bc libraries | 06:26 |
| Sazpaimon | avkon is simple | 06:26 |
| Sazpaimon | you could theoretically have qt->avkon bindings | 06:26 |
| Sazpaimon | i dont know where i read it, but I believe I read that one of the milestones for belle was an interface completely written in Qt | 06:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | completely breaking backward compatibility on a dated platform is why windows arm is dead on arrival | 06:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what was ms thinking :/ | 06:27 |
| Sazpaimon | you know who did touchscreens right? | 06:27 |
| Sazpaimon | Uiq | 06:27 |
| Sazpaimon | then nokia made sure they didn't get any market share | 06:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | uiq looked awful | 06:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | appearance matters and uiq didn't have it | 06:27 |
| Sazpaimon | it really didn't, but it was a really nice touch interface | 06:28 |
| Sazpaimon | especially for symbian based | 06:28 |
| Sazpaimon | it beat S60v5 by a mile | 06:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | from a small amount of googling, it looks like avkon isn't going anywhere and the entire OS is still written for it | 06:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | all nokia is doing is trying to push people to use qt now | 06:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i.e. nothing new | 06:29 |
| Sazpaimon | and nobody's going to use Qt because there's still a significant amount of people still using S60 | 06:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | according to this, nokia *was* going to overhaul the ui but didn't http://news.charlesayoub.com/index.php/article/1738/Symbian | 06:30 |
| Sazpaimon | in fact when Opera Mobile 10 got released for S60 people wanted an S60v2 version | 06:30 |
| Sazpaimon | yes, S60v2 | 06:30 |
| Sazpaimon | ha ha ha | 06:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | damn :p | 06:31 |
| Sazpaimon | nokia users are VERY slow to adopt new things | 06:31 |
| Sazpaimon | because the phones they already own work so well | 06:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, s60 was cool back in the day but it's very much a 2nd gen smartphone os | 06:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | always was and always will be | 06:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | where palm os is 1st gen and the iphone was 3rd gen | 06:31 |
| Sazpaimon | which is a shame because on a kernel level, it surpases a lot of current mainstream OSes | 06:32 |
| Sazpaimon | symbian's core is very fast, very effecient, and highly optimized | 06:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's also a total mess | 06:32 |
| djszapi | it is a crap | 06:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and with infamous core APIs | 06:33 |
| djszapi | and almost unmaintainable... | 06:33 |
| arekinath | ah, the old "Symbian was awesome" chestnut | 06:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i don't know much about the symbian kernel, but i did poke around at the sdk tree and the source code dump they released a while back | 06:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it wasn't exactly beautiful | 06:33 |
| arekinath | itsnotabigtruck: understatement of the year | 06:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but nokia really should have followed through with the symbian open source arrangement | 06:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they announced they were going open source, then did nothing for 6 months, then released bits and pieces | 06:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | without much of any fanfare | 06:34 |
| Sazpaimon | looking at that article, and yeah i guess the idea was that nokia was expecting everything to be written in qt by belle | 06:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and the only real reason anyone would want symbian source code is to customize, but the devices were all locked down anyway | 06:35 |
| Sazpaimon | which obviously isnt the case | 06:35 |
| Sazpaimon | so it still uses avkon | 06:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think *finally* there's some ROM cooking going on for newish phones | 06:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but the people doing it seem to lack discipline | 06:35 |
| Sazpaimon | its very basic stuff though i think | 06:35 |
| Sazpaimon | like, operator logos | 06:35 |
| Sazpaimon | and preloaded software | 06:35 |
| arekinath | it's a little unfortunate that most symbian hardware isn't very linux-friendly | 06:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and then what's completely ridiculous is after doing all the work to open source symbian | 06:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they then go and take it back 6 months after that | 06:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (don't quote me on the timeframes, i'm just making that part up) | 06:37 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | btw is there a working account plugin yet for telepathy-gabble and non-google xmpp servers? | 06:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and has anyone filed a bug about that not being part of the stock image in the first place? | 06:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's unbelievable, nokia does all the work already for the google talk plugin, then locks out all other xmpp servers | 06:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the permitted im systems are exclusively proprietary | 06:47 |
| Sazpaimon | arg im conflicted | 06:48 |
| Sazpaimon | icon-s-description is like half the size of the TextField to the left of it | 06:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | while at least it's possible to build a plugin to integrate it in just like the stock components, i hate the fact that so many little tweaks like this require reinventing the wheel because everything from nokia is closed by default | 06:48 |
| Sazpaimon | but icon-m-content-description-inverse is like, 1.5* the size of it | 06:48 |
| Sazpaimon | I guess I'll go with smaller | 06:49 |
| djszapiN9 | itsnotabigtruck, welcome to the real word | 06:49 |
| djszapiN9 | i have been fighting - word by word - with the sdk teams for one and half a years | 06:49 |
| djszapiN9 | many times i even did job for them | 06:50 |
| djszapiN9 | they should have just accepted it... | 06:50 |
| * itsnotabigtruck shrugs | 06:51 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbqeULHpIKY | 06:54 |
| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, http://i.imgur.com/IpYT5.png | 07:12 |
| Sazpaimon | how does that info icon look | 07:12 |
| Sazpaimon | that steam guard line only comes up when you somehow exit during account creation the first time | 07:12 |
| Sazpaimon | so your account is saved without a steam guard | 07:12 |
| Sazpaimon | the info button will show what to put in that box | 07:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: hmm | 07:14 |
| Sazpaimon | the medium sized version is unfortunately larger than the inputfield | 07:15 |
| Sazpaimon | which would look even worse | 07:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i still wish there were a more elegant way to do that...but it seems like it would likely be a monumental task | 07:15 |
| Sazpaimon | i could always scale the icon up in an image editor | 07:15 |
| Sazpaimon | and then just bundle it with the application | 07:15 |
| Sazpaimon | but eh | 07:15 |
| Sazpaimon | that line will rarely get shown anyway | 07:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | imo the best way would be to turn that pidgin plugin into a library, and reference it from a new connection manager | 07:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then you could have some side channel to report the steam guard status | 07:16 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah | 07:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that would also keep the whole pidgin/haze ugliness out of the equation | 07:16 |
| Sazpaimon | that would be the best case here, a native plugin | 07:16 |
| Sazpaimon | it'd be reinventing the wheel though for one small improvement | 07:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, seems like what you're doing is an ok way to go about it, just make it "Steam Guard code" | 07:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or "Validation code" | 07:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or something like that | 07:17 |
| Sazpaimon | i would call this an edge case at best | 07:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | steam guard isn't really an edge case... | 07:17 |
| Sazpaimon | i mean this scenario | 07:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it is a one-time case | 07:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not something the user constantly runs into | 07:17 |
| Sazpaimon | this scenario only comes up when they close the accounts-ui when they see the initial steam guard screen | 07:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ah | 07:18 |
| Sazpaimon | on initial setup, steam guard shows up on a different screen altogether | 07:18 |
| Sazpaimon | or if they change their credentials | 07:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's also the case where the user gets the password wrong on the first attempt | 07:18 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: you can adjust the size of an image... | 07:18 |
| Sazpaimon | djszapi, image is in a ToolIcon element | 07:18 |
| djszapi | so what ? | 07:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also i think the [i] icon looks ok | 07:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you're right that it's kinda tiny | 07:19 |
| Sazpaimon | i wasnt sure if you could reasize the iconSource argument | 07:19 |
| Sazpaimon | can you? | 07:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | are there any examples in nokia stuff of the [i] being used in conjunction with a textbox? | 07:19 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: why would you do that ? | 07:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or info in the interface design manual? | 07:19 |
| djszapi | you do not need to do that. | 07:19 |
| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, no, i only see it next to switches | 07:19 |
| Sazpaimon | but switches are the same size as the textfield anyway | 07:20 |
| Sazpaimon | they're just thinner so the size difference isnt as dramatic looking | 07:20 |
| djszapi | I am not sure what the problem is ... | 07:20 |
| djszapi | the icon can be adjusted, and it even works for me without any adjustment. | 07:20 |
| Sazpaimon | djszapi, how would I resize the image if its in a ToolIcon element? | 07:21 |
| djszapi | same size as the switch, see the screenshot about. | 07:21 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: do you understand what you are saying ? :) | 07:21 |
| djszapi | Image is an image, not toolicon. | 07:21 |
| Sazpaimon | djszapi, I never understand what I'm saying | 07:21 |
| djszapi | and no, it is not exposed at all | 07:21 |
| djszapi | realize so much ;) | 07:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | isn't the icon a png? | 07:22 |
| Sazpaimon | but the image is an iconSource of the toolicon element | 07:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | don't try to resize a png | 07:22 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah, it is | 07:22 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: seriously, you do not still get it ? | 07:22 |
| Sazpaimon | I don't know, resizing a 32x32 png to 40x40 wouldnt really do any bad stuff | 07:22 |
| djszapi | okay, to put it very clear: | 07:22 |
| djszapi | Image can be resized ! | 07:22 |
| djszapi | so why would you use ToolIcon in the first place, if that does not expose it ? | 07:22 |
| djszapi | Isn't it something illogical ? | 07:23 |
| djszapi | yes, it is. | 07:23 |
| Sazpaimon | does Image have an onclicked? | 07:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: actually small resizes can be the worst | 07:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's how you get blurryness | 07:23 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: works fine really for this type. | 07:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e.g. going fom 32x32 to 33x33 is fatal | 07:23 |
| djszapi | I even resized much more complex icons | 07:23 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: please open up the documentation about MouseArea | 07:24 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | also, i expected the "nokia n9 ux guidelines" to contain...guidelines | 07:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you know, as in "compliant apps MUST use text fields no narrower than x pixels, complient apps MUST integrate help, blah blah" | 07:24 |
| Sazpaimon | djszapi, oh crap, yeah I forgot about mousearea | 07:25 |
| Sazpaimon | thanks | 07:25 |
| djszapi | ToolIcon makes no sense anyway | 07:25 |
| djszapi | I just used it because I already had a toolicon action previously. | 07:25 |
| djszapi | do not bother to change for no real good. | 07:25 |
| djszapi | but in any case... | 07:26 |
| djszapi | my icon is pretty well fine without adjustment. | 07:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/ux/pages/Installations.html | 07:26 |
| * itsnotabigtruck wants to play angry weasels :( | 07:26 | |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: and that is precisely the reason why I was unhappy with qml | 07:27 |
| djszapi | there is no simple way to expose a complete embedded component nicely. | 07:27 |
| djszapi | since if there was, toolicon could expose the image as an embedded component, as is. | 07:27 |
| djszapi | and customers could change the properties (any) | 07:27 |
| djszapi | same with embedded texts, etc etc etc | 07:28 |
| djszapi | this platform icon really looks uncool with this small size. | 07:28 |
| djszapi | luckily enough, the user guide icon works fine without adjustment :) | 07:29 |
| Sazpaimon | http://i.imgur.com/8nCA2.png | 07:32 |
| Sazpaimon | eh | 07:32 |
| Sazpaimon | im not too hot on this size | 07:32 |
| djszapi | it is not about the size | 07:33 |
| djszapi | it really looks blurry | 07:33 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah | 07:33 |
| djszapi | and the reason is simple: you scaled down | 07:33 |
| Sazpaimon | no | 07:33 |
| Sazpaimon | i scaled up | 07:33 |
| djszapi | up* | 07:33 |
| djszapi | and you should scale icons always down | 07:33 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah let me try with the medium sized image | 07:33 |
| Sazpaimon | how does qml resize images | 07:33 |
| djszapi | so I wonder why you tried it ;) | 07:33 |
| Sazpaimon | is it just nearest neighbor? | 07:33 |
| djszapi | it is almost never a good idea | 07:33 |
| djszapi | downsizing, on the contrary, always worked for me. | 07:34 |
| djszapi | though I do not like this icon size in your layout | 07:34 |
| djszapi | it is too bloated imho | 07:35 |
| djszapi | you should have more space. | 07:35 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah I have it close right now just to compare | 07:36 |
| Sazpaimon | I'm going to increase the margins in a bit | 07:36 |
| Sazpaimon | http://i.imgur.com/7zoff.png | 07:36 |
| djszapi | if you have wanna the reactive area this size, that can be done with smaller image, plus a bit of tweak too, but I do not think that is the case here. | 07:36 |
| Sazpaimon | that's how it looks with the larger icon sized down | 07:36 |
| djszapi | ohhh, why margin ? | 07:37 |
| djszapi | why not spacing ? | 07:37 |
| djszapi | don't you put them into a row ? | 07:37 |
| Sazpaimon | I do | 07:37 |
| djszapi | then using spacing | 07:37 |
| djszapi | is a better idea. | 07:37 |
| Sazpaimon | oh yeah | 07:37 |
| Sazpaimon | i always forget spacing for rows | 07:37 |
| Sazpaimon | only ever use them for columns | 07:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: aaaaaaaah scaling | 07:37 |
| Sazpaimon | im also not sure why im using anchors in a row | 07:38 |
| Sazpaimon | especially when Im anchoring to the left and right of parent | 07:38 |
| Sazpaimon | what was I thinking | 07:38 |
| djszapi | never use it | 07:39 |
| djszapi | you will lose the performance | 07:39 |
| djszapi | which is not a big show stopper in this, case unneccesary | 07:39 |
| Sazpaimon | http://i.imgur.com/zonn5.png | 07:39 |
| Sazpaimon | that's with 10 spacing | 07:39 |
| djszapi | I would put some rightMargin too | 07:40 |
| djszapi | but that is just me | 07:40 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah | 07:40 |
| djszapi | to be symmetrical | 07:40 |
| Sazpaimon | actually, i took off the width of the textfield, and I kinda like this | 07:40 |
| djszapi | plus better UX for touching at the edge of the phone. | 07:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: still ugly | 07:40 |
| Sazpaimon | http://i.imgur.com/sztT9.png | 07:41 |
| Sazpaimon | I like the default with of the textfield | 07:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rule #1 of raster icons is that you don't talk...i mean, resize raster icons | 07:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | never ever ever ever upsize an icon in a gui | 07:41 |
| djszapi | imho way better than small icon | 07:41 |
| Sazpaimon | especially because the steam guard code is only 6 characters | 07:41 |
| Sazpaimon | it doesnt need a full width input box | 07:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: you can even see how the edges aren't smoothed anymore | 07:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | looks like a deformed octagon :p | 07:41 |
| djszapi | I do not think it is too bad | 07:42 |
| djszapi | imo, it is acceptable. | 07:42 |
| djszapi | at least I would not bother with more work | 07:42 |
| Sazpaimon | what if I wrap it in a rectangle with a rounded radius | 07:42 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: don't you have better things to do ? :) | 07:43 |
| Sazpaimon | youre right | 07:43 |
| Sazpaimon | i dont feel like replicating squircle icons in a rectangle element | 07:43 |
| djszapi | I mean why fine tune instead of concentrating on more major things ? | 07:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | squircle...now that's a word i haven't heard in a while | 07:44 |
| Sazpaimon | djszapi, this is pretty much the last thing that needs doing | 07:44 |
| Sazpaimon | just fine tuning the UI | 07:44 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: well, if you find pleasure in that, then go for it | 07:45 |
| djszapi | get the svg | 07:45 |
| djszapi | edit it, import it in your stuff | 07:45 |
| djszapi | losing the platform approach etc | 07:45 |
| Sazpaimon | i find no pleasure in making tiny changes to UI stuff actually | 07:45 |
| * djszapi neither | 07:45 | |
| Sazpaimon | but that small icon was bugging the crap out of me | 07:45 |
| djszapi | that is done ? | 07:45 |
| Sazpaimon | yep | 07:45 |
| Sazpaimon | and the not so round edges, while they may bug itsnotabigtruck, I'm perfectly fine with | 07:46 |
| djszapi | I think there is a healthy border between fine tuning, and do more applications that are also useful | 07:46 |
| Sazpaimon | though one thing that's bothering me is that toolbar at the bottom | 07:50 |
| Sazpaimon | im not sure why the buttons are offset to the left | 07:50 |
| Sazpaimon | im not using any margins at all | 07:50 |
| djszapi | http://minus.com/mbmFymEEa3 | 07:51 |
| djszapi | check my code out | 07:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: well, it just bugs me because it's a bad design faux pas and it's easy to fix | 07:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the small icon isn't ideal but it's also way better than a streched icon | 07:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so many people pay no attention to raster image stretching, bad font choices, and things like that and worse applications are produced for it | 07:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but at the same time, yeah, other stuff is obviously more important | 07:54 |
| djszapi | smaller icon feels really bad | 07:55 |
| djszapi | extremely bad | 07:55 |
| djszapi | there is a reason even the VKB button was sized for bigger... | 07:55 |
| Sazpaimon | djszapi, yeah my toolbar is like that too, except im using ToolButton instead of button | 07:55 |
| djszapi | it is really hard to touch it with fat fingers otherwise. | 07:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | reduce the size of your fingers :D | 07:56 |
| djszapi | cannot | 07:56 |
| djszapi | the bass guitar bunds are far away | 07:56 |
| djszapi | I need big hand really :) | 07:56 |
| djszapi | big fingers etc ;) | 07:56 |
| Sazpaimon | you know what they say about big hands | 07:57 |
| Sazpaimon | big... feet | 07:57 |
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| djszapi | Sazpaimon: yeah, I will not rearrange though since it works :D | 07:59 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah im still not sure why my buttons are like the way they are | 07:59 |
| Sazpaimon | but whatever | 07:59 |
| djszapi | the history of that button is that it was not in the toolbar. | 07:59 |
| Sazpaimon | i'll live | 07:59 |
| djszapi | just got copy/pasted. | 07:59 |
| Sazpaimon | it should be like http://i.imgur.com/M8nvO.png | 08:00 |
| Sazpaimon | but as you can see the save icon is at the very edge of the left | 08:00 |
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| Sazpaimon | and cancel is slightly wider | 08:00 |
| djszapi | it is all about spacing anyway | 08:01 |
| djszapi | and margin | 08:01 |
| djszapi | so why not just experiment ? | 08:01 |
| djszapi | ohh I recall why ToolButton does not scale for me. | 08:02 |
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| Sazpaimon | yeah I ensws up making all the toolbar elements anchor eachother | 08:04 |
| Sazpaimon | and tweaked their margins | 08:04 |
| Sazpaimon | problem solved | 08:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh yeah: idea | 08:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | eliminate the [i]s and put a help option in your popup menu | 08:05 |
| Sazpaimon | I'd like to have the information for what to put in that box readily available | 08:06 |
| djszapi | agree | 08:06 |
| Sazpaimon | i know from personal experience that I dont go to the popup box to get help | 08:06 |
| djszapi | yeah, that is normally for more like "About". | 08:06 |
| Sazpaimon | doubly solved the toolbar thing by just making them all into a row and spacing | 08:08 |
| Sazpaimon | i gotta stop relying on anchors | 08:08 |
| Sazpaimon | the textfields and labels are all handled by anchors | 08:08 |
| Sazpaimon | but I couldnt think of a better way to do that | 08:09 |
| djszapi | why not column ? | 08:09 |
| djszapi | for the whole page actually. | 08:09 |
| Sazpaimon | because i needed the labels to be a certain height above the inputfields | 08:10 |
| djszapi | so why not margin there ? | 08:10 |
| Sazpaimon | wouldnt I need to anchor them to the TextField anyway then? | 08:11 |
| djszapi | I would expect it to work oob, but if not | 08:12 |
| djszapi | you still better go with Column/Column | 08:12 |
| djszapi | the manual anchoring, anyway | 08:12 |
| djszapi | than* | 08:12 |
| Sazpaimon | maybe if I had like 50 elements i was anchoring | 08:12 |
| djszapi | I even used Column for two items | 08:15 |
| djszapi | http://minus.com/mynlu12IJ -> so for only one setting | 08:16 |
| djszapi | worth it really | 08:17 |
| djszapi | saves you a lot of error-prone typing. | 08:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw i think those [i]'s are too far to the left | 08:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the first two | 08:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | alternately, the switch is too far to the right | 08:17 |
| djszapi | not really, no | 08:18 |
| djszapi | they are horzontally centered in that "column". | 08:18 |
| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, are you looking at the one with the half width inputfield | 08:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but centering isn't what looks proper, left or right justification is | 08:18 |
| djszapi | and that is a toolicon limitation anyway | 08:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: i was looking at djszapi's settings box | 08:19 |
| djszapi | not proper for you | 08:19 |
| Sazpaimon | oh whoops | 08:19 |
| djszapi | I dislike buttons at the right | 08:19 |
| djszapi | edge of the phone. | 08:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not proper in general, aligned things just look better | 08:19 |
| djszapi | not really, no | 08:19 |
| djszapi | if I use the switch from left to right, I swipe my finger away the phone | 08:20 |
| djszapi | and this way not | 08:20 |
| djszapi | and as I also said, it is even a toolicon behavior. | 08:20 |
| djszapi | to be aligned this way. | 08:20 |
| djszapi | what I could actually do is getting the switch closer to the left side | 08:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hmm | 08:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway...early classes | 08:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | later | 08:21 |
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| Sazpaimon | ok im gonna listen to some yelle and sleep | 08:28 |
| djszapi | good night | 08:29 |
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| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: it's not coz i don't get help. it's how you say it =) nevermind | 08:34 |
| djszapi | I will never mind in the future. | 08:35 |
| Sazpaimon | djszapi is a smart dude I think he's allowed to be an ass about it if he wants | 08:37 |
| Sazpaimon | anyway zzzz | 08:37 |
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| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: it was already assigned one month ago according to the Nokia guy ... | 09:08 |
| djszapi | plus only 2 votes, one except from you, and person keep reporting. :) | 09:18 |
| djszapi | keeps* | 09:19 |
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| oscoder | hi, guys, i came across an issue about the timezone when implemented a feature to add some event into the mkcal in the harmattan platform. so I just want to know there are some meet this as the same with me?! | 09:35 |
| oscoder | the corresponding date from platform system will jump from current date to another date when i attempte to add some event into mkcal. | 09:36 |
| oscoder | someones here now!? | 09:36 |
| oscoder | anyone can help me with this issue..thanks. | 09:37 |
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| djszapi | http://qt.nokia.com/qt-in-use/ambassadors/qtambassador/ - "Priority status in the Ovi Publishing queue" -> Ohh so being an ambassador is cool for something :P | 11:38 |
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| oscoder | hi, guys, i came across an issue about the timezone when implemented a feature to add some event into the mkcal in the harmattan platform. so I just want to know there are some meet this as the same with me?! | 12:13 |
| oscoder | the corresponding date from platform system will jump from current date to another date when i attempte to add some event into mkcal. | 12:13 |
| oscoder | someones here now!? | 12:13 |
| oscoder | anyone can help me with this issue..thanks. | 12:13 |
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| gri | djszapi: I am ambassador but where's my Priority publishing? :) | 12:38 |
| djszapi | gri: no clue :) | 12:38 |
| spenap | gri, you have to request it every time you post an update | 12:39 |
| spenap | if I understood them well | 12:39 |
| djszapi | how can you request, in a separate mail ? | 12:39 |
| djszapi | or what is the workflow for that ? | 12:39 |
| spenap | I had to request to the ambassador person, by email | 12:39 |
| spenap | giving her the details of the ovi content | 12:40 |
| gri | If you send them a mail to developer support they put you always in "fast queue", no matter if you're ambassador or not | 12:40 |
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| spenap | ah, didn't know that | 12:40 |
| djszapi | well, they sometimes answer after 5 days :) | 12:40 |
| djszapi | so sometimes putting into the "fast queue" this way is lower :P | 12:40 |
| djszapi | slower* | 12:41 |
| gri | btw. did anyone ever use QSystemAlignedTimer on the phone? I've set up a timer to ~80000 seconds but it fires after half a day :( (too fast) | 12:41 |
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| gri | Baaad day: Coffee machine reports "heating unit missing" - wtf?! | 13:03 |
| RST38h | The heating unit has been recalled to the Great Coffee Machine in the Sky | 13:04 |
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| djszapi | gri: does the coffee machine run Qt ? | 13:05 |
| gri | djszapi: I don't think so, it's too old for that | 13:05 |
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| djszapi | we had such coffee machines (running Qt) in Munich. I was a bit positively surprised. | 13:06 |
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| gri | The old machine is nowhere to be found :( | 13:36 |
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| djszapi | beford: can you test my updated patch on Mac please ? | 16:55 |
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| danielcbit | Hi Everybody. Does somebody know how can I disable touch input in status bar? | 18:02 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | hm, i should really order a new keyboard for my laptop | 18:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that said, they cost around $60 and this laptop's getting fairly old anyway | 18:46 |
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| merlin1991 | how is that stuff again called that creates a compressed swap in ram (used on the n9) | 19:06 |
| mgedmin | oh, really? the n9's swap is ram? | 19:07 |
| mgedmin | that's (a) very interesting and (b) explains a lot | 19:07 |
| dm8tbr | mgedmin: not exclusively | 19:08 |
| dm8tbr | IIRC they use zswap or something like that first and if that is full they swap to emmc(?) | 19:08 |
| merlin1991 | dm8tbr: I remember someone saying that it's compcache all the way | 19:08 |
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| merlin1991 | (compcache was the name I was looking for) | 19:09 |
| dm8tbr | hm right, cat proc/swaps only lists /dev/ramzswqp0 | 19:09 |
| mgedmin | just yesterday I saw kswapd eating 60% cpu (and system eating the other 40%), while vmstat showed me zero swapin/swapout and io | 19:09 |
| mgedmin | hm, today my n9 refuses to connect to my office wifi | 19:09 |
| djszapi|windows | gri: I am opening a bugreport for adding an ambassador check to the publisher thingie :) | 19:11 |
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| djszapi|windows | or maybe not...because everybody could do it....mmm, not sure how to bind them...Probably ask them once should be fairly enough and they could set up it for the time until you resign, if any. | 19:12 |
| dymaxion | hi there, I need a bit of help... my N9 appears to be dead... it was working about 1 hour ago... running low on battery... ran out of juice... and now it won't charge at all... plugged in, dead :-( | 19:13 |
| djszapi|windows | you do not see the charge indicator feedback either, dymaxion ? | 19:13 |
| dymaxion | nope :-( crazy... | 19:13 |
| djszapi|windows | Are you trying to use wall charger, usb or both ? | 19:14 |
| danielcbit | dymaxion, leave it pluged. Sometimes devices discharge beyond the minimum limit and it takes time to recharge. Use the wall charger | 19:14 |
| dymaxion | wall charger... tried plugging in the USB cable into a different HTC lower ampage wall charger too... in case charger was dead. | 19:15 |
| dymaxion | hope it does recover... else I'll have to book a flight to Singapore and take it to Nokia care! hope I don't lose all my data too :-( photos etc. | 19:16 |
| djszapi|windows | dymaxion: does your wall charger work with other phones ? | 19:16 |
| dymaxion | was behaving a bit weird just before it died I noticed.... was being really laggy... | 19:16 |
| djszapi|windows | if you do not get it charged by any mechanism that is weird | 19:16 |
| dymaxion | will check the opposite... : ie. nokia charger with other phone too... brb... | 19:17 |
| dymaxion | oh dear... nokia charger works with other phones :-( no response with N9 :-( | 19:18 |
| djszapi|windows | jpwhiting: okay, the updated kanagram is now in Ovi | 19:18 |
| dymaxion | looks like N9 has just randomly died ! b*gger | 19:18 |
| dymaxion | is there any sort of Hard Power off feature? | 19:19 |
| dymaxion | since I can't pull the battery out | 19:19 |
| jpwhiting | dymaxion: good luck | 19:20 |
| jpwhiting | I had the same problem a couple weeks ago and got it to charge with flasher -i but it never would boot | 19:20 |
| jpwhiting | tread lightly :) | 19:20 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi|windows: awesome, /me checks it out | 19:20 |
| mgedmin | hm, the n9 connected to office wifi before I started debugging why it wouldn't | 19:20 |
| dymaxion | oh dear... so jpwhiting how did you fix in the end ? | 19:20 |
| jpwhiting | dymaxion: I didn't | 19:20 |
| jpwhiting | will be sending it back to nokia soonish | 19:21 |
| dymaxion | so it charged up but wouldn't boot at all ? | 19:21 |
| mgedmin | I can't connect to it or ping it, of course | 19:21 |
| mgedmin | and now I can | 19:21 |
| jpwhiting | dymaxion: yeah, I had trouble getting it to flash, maybe if you only flasher -i to get it to charge it will work | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dymaxion: just plug N9 to original charger, with good cable, and wait | 19:21 |
| dymaxion | DocScrutinizer51, waited 15mins so far.. nothing :-( | 19:22 |
| dymaxion | jpwhiting, I might try that... so you plugged into your laptop and starter the flasher program? | 19:22 |
| jpwhiting | dymaxion: yep, and if you do flasher -F blah -f it will show how much charge it has | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | other sequnce | 19:22 |
| jpwhiting | but once it gets up to 11% it will try to flash | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | first start flasher | 19:23 |
| jpwhiting | so try just flasher -i instead | 19:23 |
| jpwhiting | but yeah, plug into usb after you start flasher | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dymaxion: wait | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and you can do one thing: hold power button for 20s | 19:24 |
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| dymaxion | 20s ... aah ok.. I'll try that first... hard power off I assume... tried for 5s before no result... will try 20s .. thanks brb... | 19:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | well, should be 10 but better do 20 | 19:28 |
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| dymaxion | DocScrutinizer, OMG ! Something is happening... plugged it back in.. I see the Nokia logo.... fingers crossed it will start charging now... | 19:29 |
| dymaxion | flakey firmware... grrr !!! | 19:29 |
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| djszapi | have you tried longer than 8secs ? | 19:30 |
| djszapi | dymaxion: ^ | 19:30 |
| dymaxion | charging now... yey! | 19:30 |
| djszapi | I mean to press the power button. | 19:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: fast queue for ambassadors eh...no wonder that certain individual is having so much luck overflowing ovi store with shovelware | 19:30 |
| djszapi | it was 2 days for me to get it published | 19:30 |
| djszapi | without mentioning the ambassador thingie | 19:30 |
| dymaxion | Thanks v much guys... can now sleep in peace... 1.30am off to bed! holding for like 20s did the trick.... | 19:30 |
| djszapi | dymaxion: wait | 19:30 |
| djszapi | you said it is discharged... | 19:31 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: very nice | 19:31 |
| dymaxion | i'm still here ;-) | 19:31 |
| djszapi | how does it allow to flash ? | 19:31 |
| djszapi | until 11% ? | 19:31 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: there are minor bugs, and still not localized, but I think it is enjoyable :P | 19:31 |
| jpwhiting | indeed | 19:31 |
| dymaxion | I'm not trying to flash yet... i just did the hard power off 20s, and plugged into wall charger... the low level charge icon is now showing... so I'm going to leave it a few hours and see what happens... | 19:31 |
| djszapi | wait | 19:32 |
| djszapi | cannot you use the --0wait option ? | 19:32 |
| danielcbit | dymaxion: glad it worked! | 19:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: | 19:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | C:\Windows\system32>"c:\Program Files (x86)\Nokia\Flasher\flasher.exe" --0wait | 19:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | flasher 3.12.1 (Oct 6 2011) Harmattan | 19:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | c:\Program Files (x86)\Nokia\Flasher\flasher.exe: unrecognised option `--0wait' | 19:32 |
| djszapi | -Owait-charging | 19:33 |
| danielcbit | dymaxion: sometimes this happens with other devices too | 19:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | same result | 19:33 |
| djszapi | dymaxion: if you can use that, it is better. | 19:33 |
| djszapi | heh, they did not expose it to externals | 19:33 |
| djszapi | funky :) | 19:33 |
| djszapi | super cool feature really :) | 19:33 |
| dymaxion | djszapi, I see... wondering better in what way? | 19:33 |
| djszapi | you do not need to manually start the flashing once it is charged | 19:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: because they gimped it for public release...just like everything else from nokia | 19:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the header files, the repositories, the everything | 19:34 |
| djszapi | plus, it removes the reboot loop, if any. | 19:34 |
| djszapi | not in this case, but that is a very cool feature in general | 19:34 |
| dymaxion | aha... thanks useful indeed. | 19:34 |
| djszapi | so if you get into a reboot loop, goodbye without this option. | 19:34 |
| dymaxion | I have a hardware prob also with my N9.... the blasted USB flip lid... | 19:35 |
| dymaxion | the plastic flap is bending... also the top layer of the plastic has started flaking off... peeling like it's cos some nasty skin disease! but peeling off to reveal a slightly darker, less matt layer of black... anyone else have this? | 19:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | dymaxion: welome to the club :( | 19:36 |
| dymaxion | perhaps Nokia care can send me a new usb door to replace it. | 19:36 |
| dymaxion | itsnotabigtruck, sounds like a manufacturing fault with the plastic surely ? | 19:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | haven't had the peeling yet, but i put it in my pocket without being aware the lid was open, and put a nice bend in it | 19:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | fortunately i could bend it back | 19:36 |
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| dymaxion | hmm.. i think mine has bent exactly to match the joint with the internal springy flap on the other side... design fault ... shame... was a nice idea... just not practical | 19:37 |
| djszapi | befr0d: ping | 19:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://sparepart.dk/en/nokia-4/n-series-100060/nokia-n9-100226/spare-parts-100227/nokia-n9-00-original-usb-door-cyan-6593.html i ordered oneof these but they're backordered | 19:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no idea about contacting nokia directly, that could be pushing your luck | 19:38 |
| djszapi | it is worse, trust me :P | 19:38 |
| dymaxion | itsnotabigtruck, surely Nokia should replace... I'd argue it's not wear and tear, but full on manufacturing prob if it's flaking off! :-( dodgy plastic oh well may as well try my luck! | 19:38 |
| djszapi | at least with the software teams :P | 19:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | good point, it sounds like it started screwing up on its own | 19:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | vs bending it yourself | 19:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you're in a country where they actually provide some modicum of post purchase support, yeah, contact them | 19:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because it is a replaceable part | 19:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but they might insist you send the phone in rather than send you the part, even though the lid is supposed to be able to be pulled directly out | 19:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | when i had trouble with the keyboard on my thinkpad, i called in and they overnighted me a new keyboard, with a box and return label to send the old keyboard back in | 19:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if only other tech companies did that sort of thing | 19:40 |
| dymaxion | I wonder if Nokia HK will replace the door as if it was a Lumia door? since they only sell Lumia in HK and not N9 :-/ | 19:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so you're not in a country where they actually provide some modicum of post purchase support :p | 19:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hmmm...well, first, check if the lumia door actually is the same p/n | 19:41 |
| dymaxion | HP had the funniest thing... I had a microserver N36L fault... they sent an engineer next day, with spare PSU, Motherboard, SAS backplane.. ! that's basically all there is inside the entire box ! may as well have sent me a new one! | 19:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | find the lumia 800 service manual (nokia stores are leaky ships so practically every nokia service manual/flashing program/etc. gets on the internet) | 19:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there should be a part number for the door like I0001, but that isn't the actual order number for the door | 19:42 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | then just google lumia 800 + that | 19:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 02698S8 02699M4 02699M3 | 19:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | those are the N9 doors | 19:43 |
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| dymaxion | thanks itsnotabigtruck , I'm busy googling :-) | 19:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hrm | 19:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | did a little searching myself, turns out the lumia door and n9 door have different part numbers | 19:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that doesn't mean they aren't compatible, though it's not a good sign | 19:45 |
| befr0d | hi djszapi | 19:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | apparently lumia 800 manufacturing was outsourced vs n9 production in house | 19:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which could explain different part numbers for similar parts | 19:46 |
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| befr0d | hi djszapiN9 | 19:47 |
| dymaxion | thanks for the help.. I think I'll contact Singapore tomorrow... need sleep.. nice chatting guys.. thanks | 19:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | later | 19:47 |
| befr0d | hi itsnotabigtruck | 19:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hey befr0d | 19:49 |
| djszapiN9 | beford, not actual anymore. | 19:51 |
| dymaxion | anyone know if it's possible to polish the N9 gorilla glass? I've seen two micro scratches, but affect the display because they appear as multi coloured line when combined with light coming from the pentile matrix | 19:51 |
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| firevampire_ | lola | 19:52 |
| djszapiN9 | dymaxion, cannot sleep, excited ? ;) | 19:52 |
| djszapiN9 | hola firevampire_ | 19:52 |
| beford | :< | 19:52 |
| firevampire_ | no iam testing nemo | 19:53 |
| djszapiN9 | beford, someone had a patched stuff to run mac in vm | 19:53 |
| djszapiN9 | prolly not legit | 19:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw stuff is a mass noun | 19:53 |
| beford | indeed | 19:53 |
| dymaxion | djszapi, naa just trying to fight the inner insomniac ! so annoyed have taken such good care of it... dunno how I got 2 scratches on my N9 glass :-( | 19:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | :p | 19:54 |
| djszapiN9 | it is interesting that apple has a patent for swipe unlock | 19:54 |
| * itsnotabigtruck is still indecisive on getting a proper case for the N9, besides the inbox sleeve | 19:54 | |
| djszapiN9 | and they already sued some android vendors | 19:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and i haven't been able to get any good recommendations from anybody :( | 19:55 |
| beford | about what itsnotabigtruck | 19:55 |
| dymaxion | itsnotabigtruck, I've stopped using my N9 sleeve, because it takes away part of the beauty of the phone... the only type of case I might get is one of those pouch types with the pull strap that pops your phone out completely... sock type | 19:55 |
| dymaxion | not seen one for N9, but my friend had a nice leather one for his iphone, and pops out, leaving the phone in all it's naked glory | 19:56 |
| beford | oh the case | 19:56 |
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| firevampire_ | one question is there any posibility to get a n950? | 19:57 |
| beford | probably no | 19:57 |
| firevampire_ | :( | 19:58 |
| djszapiN9 | firevampire_, if you pay me a lot ;) | 19:59 |
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| djszapiN9 | as in ... there is no abort option for stopping the fetching of the app from ovi in the client ? | 19:59 |
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| firevampire_ | djszapiN9: iam not rich a got also a n900 if u are interestat :p | 20:01 |
| djszapiN9 | have three ;) | 20:02 |
| firevampire_ | wow | 20:03 |
| firevampire_ | and how many n9 and n950? | 20:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | dymaxion: exactly, that's one of the main reasons i want to lose the sleeve | 20:05 |
| firevampire_ | why u have need 3 | 20:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because it bulks up the phone | 20:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | firevampire_: because he's a nokia subcontractor | 20:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and i'm pretty sure they already distributed all the N950s they produced :( | 20:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and they're all owned (well, possessed, anyway) by employees/contractors or people tied up in non-resale agreements | 20:07 |
| firevampire_ | oh thats explain and is a reason :( | 20:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | technically they're all nokia property and could be clawed back at any time | 20:08 |
| firevampire_ | sry to getting on u nervs | 20:08 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | yo admiral0 | 20:17 |
| admiral0 | yo :) | 20:17 |
| djszapiN9 | itsnotabigtruck, no they did distribute all. | 20:21 |
| admiral0 | ? | 20:21 |
| pa | hi, im trying to use fbreader. i read i have to put books in the Books directory in the memory card | 20:21 |
| pa | meaning where? | 20:21 |
| djszapiN9 | firevampire_, 2 N950s, 3 N9 | 20:22 |
| pa | otherwise it does not start at all it seems | 20:22 |
| pa | any idea? | 20:25 |
| firevampire_ | nice | 20:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapiN9: hm? are you agreeing or contradicting, because that's what i said :p | 20:26 |
| ieatlint | djszapiN9: you need more | 20:27 |
| ieatlint | also, dev certs | 20:27 |
| djszapiN9 | itsnotabigtruck, they did not distribute them all | 20:33 |
| pa | ok, the deb from the store is corrupted | 20:34 |
| pa | thats why | 20:34 |
| djszapiN9 | anybody going to cebit ? | 20:34 |
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| firevampire_ | no this year iam not there | 20:53 |
| danielcbit | Is there any developer here? | 20:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | danielcbit: plenty, what's your question | 20:55 |
| ieatlint | nope, but i'm a marketing guy | 20:55 |
| ieatlint | so i can answer the more important questions | 20:55 |
| danielcbit | Great. I'm developing an application that requires some restricted credentials. The mce:TKLockControl being the most important one. | 20:56 |
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| Appiah | :D | 20:57 |
| danielcbit | How can I test my Application if aegis does not grant me the needed credentials: | 20:57 |
| RST38h | ieatlint: Like whether the box needs to beblack or blue? | 20:58 |
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| ieatlint | yes, i insist we paint the shed red | 20:59 |
| danielcbit | I see that some apps in Ovi store have the kind of credentials I want to use, so when I send for publishing, I'll not have this problem. But right now I need to test the app | 20:59 |
| jonni | danielcbit: well you cant, since you are not allowed to use that credential as 3rd party. | 20:59 |
| jonni | that credential is only allowed for nokia internal apps | 20:59 |
| Appiah | I dont really understand this stuff with aegis, I cant write a application that mounts SSH? (SSHFS) ? | 21:00 |
| Appiah | or can but N9 wont run it | 21:00 |
| Appiah | ? | 21:00 |
| jonni | Appiah: true, all mount commands are protected and only allowed to be used by internal apps. | 21:00 |
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| danielcbit | http://store.ovi.com/content/222136 has access to dsme::DeviceStateControl | 21:01 |
| jonni | danielcbit: that is kind of a bug, most likely QA will remove that app or tells the app developer to fix its aegis. | 21:01 |
| Appiah | well then I can scratch some ideas from my list of apps to create | 21:01 |
| danielcbit | dsme::DeviceStateControl is a restricted capability | 21:02 |
| jonni | danielcbit: ovi store qa approved that app by mistake, most likely. | 21:02 |
| danielcbit | ok, but how did he tested first? Without even submitting to ovi store? | 21:03 |
| danielcbit | how did he got access to that credential? | 21:03 |
| jonni | unknown origin deb packages get same credentials that ovi store is provifing | 21:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | danielcbit: that credential was automatically added to the manifest | 21:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's a good chance the app doesn't actually exercise it at all | 21:04 |
| jonni | so if you have developer mode, you can test your package | 21:04 |
| djszapi | ahh cebit and MWC are at the same time | 21:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | even if ovi store approves a package that asserts verboten credentials, they won't actually be enabled when you install the package | 21:05 |
| djszapi | or mmh..nope. | 21:05 |
| danielcbit | I added the TKLockControl to my manifest file, but I always get denied 'mce::TKLockControl' -- origin '' does not allow it | 21:05 |
| danielcbit | on Qt Creator | 21:05 |
| djszapi | danielcbit: yes, of course | 21:05 |
| djszapi | you are not allowed to do that | 21:05 |
| djszapi | use develsh/developer mode. | 21:05 |
| jonni | danielcbit: yes, you are not allowed to use that, so just remove that from your aegis file | 21:05 |
| djszapi | that is what you are allowed to do | 21:05 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=114 | 21:06 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 114 nor, Normal, ---, ext-risto.lahti, ASSI, MeeGo::QmLocks::setState can't unlock device because MCE::TKLockControl aegis security token is unav | 21:06 |
| djszapi | and that is a big wontfix | 21:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | bug got turned down for basically "because we say so" | 21:07 |
| danielcbit | Even without this capability requirement at manifest file, I'll still be able to use the lock methods? | 21:07 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | welcome to aegis :/ | 21:07 |
| djszapi | danielcbit: no | 21:07 |
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| djszapi | again, you can only use what develsh provide. | 21:07 |
| danielcbit | Yeah, aegis really sucks.. | 21:07 |
| djszapi | it is not about aegis | 21:08 |
| djszapi | it is about the ovi source policy decisions. | 21:08 |
| jonni | only nokia apps can modify locks. | 21:08 |
| * RST38h yawns | 21:08 | |
| RST38h | Remove Aegis - and it works, policy decisions or not | 21:08 |
| RST38h | Hence, Aegis is to blame, physically | 21:08 |
| danielcbit | Ok. So, another question. Is there any way I can disable the status info menu from showing? | 21:09 |
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| jonni | danielcbit: what is status info menu? which menu you mean | 21:09 |
| * djszapi would never remove aegis, just override the policy decisions. | 21:10 | |
| danielcbit | Sorry, it is: status indicator menu | 21:10 |
| jonni | that info does that menu show+ | 21:10 |
| jonni | ? | 21:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | danielcbit: see pm | 21:11 |
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| danielcbit | the menu that is show when you click at status bar where you can change profile, bluetooth status and so on | 21:12 |
| jonni | just make full screen app that doesnt show the menu? :) | 21:13 |
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| jonni | that doesnt show the status-bar even | 21:13 |
| danielcbit | status bar has to be shown. It is a must have | 21:13 |
| jonni | no it doesnt have to be shown. | 21:14 |
| djszapi | danielcbit: why would you need this ? Can you share the use case ? | 21:14 |
| jonni | danielcbit: status bar is optional, it is not ovi store requirement to be shown. | 21:14 |
| djszapi | jonni: I think he means the info menu, not the statusbar itself. | 21:15 |
| jonni | atleast my ovi store apps dont show statusbar | 21:15 |
| jonni | but without statusbar, he cannot open info menu :) | 21:15 |
| jonni | problem solved :) | 21:16 |
| djszapi | it seems he would like to get the statusbar, but not the statusmenu. | 21:16 |
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| djszapi | for whatever reason, that is why I asked for the use case :) | 21:16 |
| danielcbit | correct djszapi | 21:16 |
| danielcbit | coz with status menu the user could to any other parts of the system | 21:16 |
| djszapi | could what ? | 21:17 |
| danielcbit | blowing aways the functionality of my app | 21:17 |
| danielcbit | that is to lock the device | 21:17 |
| jonni | but your app cannot lock the device anyways, there is always the powerbutton+swipe from down to up | 21:18 |
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| teleshoes | mce.ini double-press | 21:18 |
| jonni | to access any other parts of the sustem | 21:18 |
| danielcbit | I could address that | 21:18 |
| danielcbit | this part is solved | 21:18 |
| danielcbit | but has this status menu flaw | 21:19 |
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| jonni | just do fullscreen, and it blocks the menu flaw | 21:19 |
| danielcbit | Ok | 21:20 |
| danielcbit | Last question | 21:20 |
| jonni | and ovi store qa will deny the submission if you edit powerkey functionality by editing mce.ini | 21:20 |
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| teleshoes | right | 21:20 |
| danielcbit | jonni: didn't know that. | 21:22 |
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| danielcbit | Is there any way I can prevent notifications from showing in the lock screen (after double tapping)? | 21:23 |
| danielcbit | for exaple, update notification can take directly to the software update app, bypassing my app | 21:23 |
| jonni | by killing the notification server, but again it would not pass ovi store qa, but is possible on your personal device | 21:23 |
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| danielcbit | jonni: only this way? | 21:24 |
| teleshoes | theres a css file, if im not mistaken | 21:25 |
| jonni | you would also need to set idle timeout to unlimited, because if it goes to sleep screen, you can get out of the app | 21:25 |
| jonni | I did that kind of locking app a few months ago, but I never released it. | 21:26 |
| danielcbit | What I wanted to do was to just hide these notifications so the user couldn't access other apps while my app is locking the phone | 21:27 |
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| djszapi | cannot you use jonni's baby lock ? | 21:27 |
| djszapi | ohh you wanted to do that programatically... | 21:27 |
| djszapi | well replicate the code :D | 21:28 |
| jonni | danielcbit: you could ofcourse just mark all the notifications as read / remove then when they arrive. I did a command line tool for notifications few monts ago | 21:29 |
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| djszapi | hi Venemo_N950 | 21:29 |
| jonni | (or actually babylock uses that for sending notifications on the screen) | 21:29 |
| Venemo_N950 | hey djszapi :) | 21:30 |
| djszapi | Venemo_N950: how is stuff ? :) | 21:30 |
| danielcbit | jonni: thats a great idea. The codIs publicaly avaliable | 21:31 |
| jonni | anyways noway to do foolproof lock app, as policies block it, someone can just call your phone number, and go away from your lock app, from the incoming call notification screen :) | 21:32 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, good, thanks :) | 21:32 |
| jonni | you need to switch to offline mode first | 21:32 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, new version of Puzzle Master is out in the Store, new IRC Chatter is in progress :) | 21:33 |
| jonni | + you need to block nfc notifications | 21:33 |
| danielcbit | jonni: the command line tool you mentioned, is it publicly available? | 21:35 |
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| sigmaorion | hi there! Djszapi, I've been trying to play audio through phonon, as per your advice, but I get no sound at all!! | 22:20 |
| sigmaorion | if you are ok with it, I can paste my code for your review... I've been googling around and found my code once and once again... it should work! (on N9) | 22:21 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82536 | 22:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | interesting | 22:45 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | has anyone poked around at the WL1271 drivers available from ti to see if any of these features are available | 22:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | looks like fm radio already didn't require any k-side changes | 22:46 |
| djszapi | sigmaorion: no sorry, working on other stuff... | 22:46 |
| Venemo_N950 | mhm | 22:47 |
| sigmaorion | djszapi, sure, thanks anyway... I'll keep working on it :) | 22:47 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | it's a shame the N9 ships with the WL1271 and not 1273 (has 5 gig wifi) | 22:54 |
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| danielcbit | The strange thing is that i could see and connect to a 5 Ghz N network in my N9 | 22:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | danielcbit: really? | 22:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | maybe it has a WL1273 then | 22:57 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | danielcbit: are you sure it wasn't a dual-frequency network | 22:58 |
| danielcbit | Yea. It worked well. And I'm sure it was at 5 Ghz. I configured the Acess Point. | 22:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | indeed, it has WL1273 - my bad | 22:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's referred to as WL1271 everywhere in the firmware, but that's probably because the chips are almost the same thing | 22:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well that's cool stuff, 2.4ghz only is the norm for anything except mid-high range laptops | 23:00 |
| danielcbit | I was starting to think that I was the only one with 5 Ghz support :D | 23:00 |
| danielcbit | but bluetooth 4 support would be greate | 23:00 |
| danielcbit | great* | 23:00 |
| danielcbit | as well as FMTX | 23:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | apparently bluetooth 3.0 = bluetooth over wifi, and bluetooth 4.0 = bluetooth low power | 23:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the latter is supported by wl127x but only on later steppings | 23:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the former has no software support | 23:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | however it does support EDR2 and EDR3 modulation, which is apparently also part of bluetooth 3.0? | 23:02 |
| danielcbit | bluetooth 4 introduced low power but is backwards compatible with bluetooth 3 | 23:02 |
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| blueslee | is there a list of useful dbus commands for n9(50)? compare phone control for n900 ... | 23:18 |
| blueslee | can i make a screenshot of the standby screen of the n9? | 23:19 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | blueslee: concerning the standby screen, yeah, but i'm not sure how | 23:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | concerning the dbus commands, didn't you ask that before? | 23:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that said, i'm not aware of any :( | 23:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's a shame there hasn't been much of an effort to document this stuff, seeing that nokia didn't really | 23:22 |
| blueslee | itsnotabigtruck: hehe, yes i asked before ... i tried some of the dbus commands which worked for the n900, most of them do not work for the n9(50) | 23:23 |
| gabriel9 | i dont get nokia | 23:23 |
| gabriel9 | what are they want? | 23:23 |
| gabriel9 | they release phone and then trying to burry it | 23:24 |
| gabriel9 | stupid people do stupid things | 23:24 |
| blueslee | i was really suprised that opera and mozilla officially start supporting the platform as it is more or less dead from a global standpoint | 23:25 |
| gabriel9 | well they suport it becouse there is userbase | 23:25 |
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| gabriel9 | where are the users there is monney :) | 23:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | gabriel9: large corporations...one hand doesn't know what the other is doing | 23:25 |
| gabriel9 | becouse of that i like small companies | 23:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that and some mind bogglingly stupid decisions from the N9 team, from marketing, and from nokia executives | 23:26 |
| gabriel9 | djszapi ping | 23:26 |
| gabriel9 | but still it is nice device | 23:26 |
| gabriel9 | that can't no one denied | 23:26 |
| blueslee | i am also happy to have this device, i guess at least for the next 2-3 years | 23:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's the thing...it's an amazing piece of hardware, running an amazing OS | 23:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's just that there's all these little letdowns in various places | 23:27 |
| gabriel9 | yes and mybe in some strange universe they will give us new N9 | 23:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and most of those letdowns are entirely under nokia's control | 23:27 |
| gabriel9 | it's all bullshit if you ask me | 23:27 |
| blueslee | and i am pretty sure that the community is and will be productive, hopefully android, h-e-n, easy debian etc will come to n9 | 23:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, setting all else aside the lack of a physical keyboard is catastrophic to easy debian | 23:28 |
| gabriel9 | good side is Qt, it is really good framework and have great comunity | 23:28 |
| gabriel9 | yes we need physical keyboard | 23:28 |
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| blueslee | for me its okay that a big company controls such an ecosystem, i am thinking of openmoko/freerunner, a complete open model does not seem to work | 23:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the problem is such a small subset of the system is open source | 23:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | on one hand, obviously nokia isn't some sort of charity | 23:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | business interests always come first, and they don't want some competitor cloning the OS they spent massive r&d budget on | 23:29 |
| blueslee | yeah, that is clear | 23:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but at the same time, maemo/harmattan is an edge case | 23:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's heavily based on open source software, it has a userbase full of open source users | 23:30 |
| gabriel9 | this whoke IT industry is one big mess | 23:30 |
| blueslee | but maemo/harmattan is the best choice out there at least for me | 23:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | previous maemo versions had a significantly larger amount of open source code | 23:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and moreover, competitors wouldn't generally have any use for most of the code anyway | 23:30 |
| blueslee | itsnotabigtruck: you mean maemo5? | 23:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for example consider the email client | 23:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | everybody else already has their own email client, and the one on N9 is highly dependent on the harmattan system | 23:31 |
| blueslee | otherwise it is clear that if gsm enters the game there will be closed parts | 23:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it has no use to competitors | 23:31 |
| gabriel9 | yes | 23:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but at the same time, it does have use to the community, which could enhance it | 23:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | open code = being able to follow through with what nokia started, at no cost to nokia | 23:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also blueslee: yeah, maemo5 | 23:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e.g. hildon, modest, and a bunch of other stuff were OSS | 23:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nokia's version of meegotouch, fenix, etc. are not | 23:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, the GSM radio is totally distinct from the main cpu and it has its own firmware | 23:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so no, there don't have to be any closed parts even with gsm in the game | 23:34 |
| blueslee | you are right, but there are other drwabacks too from a community point of view, i miss a central forum (there are two) and a central repo | 23:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but that said, there's no need to open up things like the cellular services daemon | 23:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the frontend is what matters - and that's what's the most closed off :/ | 23:35 |
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| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, ping | 23:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and the lack of a proper central point for user apps besides ovi store (which is terrible) is a MAJOR problem | 23:35 |
| blueslee | as a non developer i can live with the most of it ... in the beginning i thought that aegis would be a complete deal breaker | 23:36 |
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| kozzi | man i wish I could kill off all those rss apps | 23:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no kidding | 23:37 |
| gabriel9 | they are not apps | 23:37 |
| kozzi | some of them are named like an app with a hefty price, and then you realise their version number and ugly interface | 23:38 |
| kozzi | make me rage | 23:38 |
| blueslee | evertyhing is an app, a simple link to a webpage, a ringtone a wallpaper | 23:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's one thing to have a highly stylized interface to a magazine or something like that | 23:38 |
| gabriel9 | for me thery are not | 23:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the sort of thing that's fairly common now on ios | 23:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but some garbage cookie cutter rss app? | 23:38 |
| blueslee | gabriel9: that was irony | 23:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | expunge them with prejudice | 23:38 |
| gabriel9 | :D | 23:39 |
| kozzi | I really like how integrated maemo is, I don't need app for everything. just add an account | 23:39 |
| blueslee | all you need is a good browser and you can remove 20% of the apps | 23:39 |
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| gabriel9 | we need more games | 23:40 |
| gabriel9 | they are magnet for users | 23:40 |
| blueslee | kozzi: mee to, i even removed the calendar icon as its refered in the event screen | 23:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | kozzi: yeah, the integrated nature of the messaging system is excellent | 23:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it's also a problem because the frontend for that is all closed | 23:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for example i'd like to eventually do a secure messaging system, but there's no way i'm aware of to add new GUI elements to control it | 23:41 |
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| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, ping | 23:42 |
| kozzi | many im services are moving toward xmpp, doesnt this it will get easier to implement to messaging system? | 23:42 |
| kozzi | *+mean | 23:43 |
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| kozzi | ircing on n9 is a good way to practise typing on n9 kb | 23:44 |
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| Venemo_N950 | someone ping me please in a minute. I'm testing notifications in my irc client :) | 23:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | kozzi: except that nokia wrote an XMPP plugin, but then gimped it to google talk /only/ | 23:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm contemplating reinventing that wheel to make a generalized XMPP plugin that uses telepathy-gabble native xmpp support | 23:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but that shouldn't be necessary to begin with | 23:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's extraplugins already, which uses telepathy-haze (pidgin-telepathy interface) | 23:48 |
| kozzi | itsnotabigtruck is it going to require aegis free mod? | 23:49 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | kozzi: nah, account plugins don't require special aegis privileges | 23:50 |
| kozzi | wonder why nokia does it this way though. sounds quite dumb | 23:50 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | kozzi: because they're too focused on making deals with other companies | 23:57 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | generic xmpp doesn't have any major brand names backing it | 23:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and of course it's also fairly niche | 23:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | whereas for google talk, it's "oh yeah, that thing i have with my gmail" | 23:57 |
| kozzi | heh, wasn't it same with n900? | 23:59 |
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